What gun control law would've stopped this?
What gun control law would've stopped this?
I don't know enough about this incident to say. But we're losing more people to random lunatics with guns than to Islamic terror by an order of magnitude. I think some stronger measures are in order. But I'm sure nothing will be done.
inb4 D1 claims it's a false flag.Maybe this is the anonymous action that d1 was telling us to expect. :-\
What gun control law would've stopped this?
I don't know enough about this incident to say. But we're losing more people to random lunatics with guns than to Islamic terror by an order of magnitude. I think some stronger measures are in order. But I'm sure nothing will be done.
Well, if you're going to complain about people who say it's too soon to talk about gun control, it doesn't help your case if you don't have details to even make a gun law preposal.
What gun control law would've stopped this?
I don't know enough about this incident to say. But we're losing more people to random lunatics with guns than to Islamic terror by an order of magnitude. I think some stronger measures are in order. But I'm sure nothing will be done.
Well, if you're going to complain about people who say it's too soon to talk about gun control, it doesn't help your case if you don't have details to even make a gun law preposal.
My complaint is that conservative politicians often use the excuse of "it's insensitive to the victims to talk about this" as a tactic to deflect from even having the conversation.
Just going to post this.
Please don't use people deaths to try and take away peoples constitutional rights.
Edit. Ignore the obvious shill in the first reply.
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There is no debate. I believe he was actually stopped by a citizen returning fire.
Don't mess with Texas.
Freedom > Security.
Just going to post this.Neither of us live in a country with a "constitutional right" to own or carry guns.
Please don't use people deaths to try and take away peoples constitutional rights.
If it was up to me yes.You are never truly "free". Not in any society that has ever functioned. In every society compromises have to be made to keep its people safe and to aid progress. Frankly the US situation is silly. It's pretty obvious that very few people would give a shit were it not for the gun companies that would lose their greatest market.
Freedom > Security.
It isn't up to me.
I agree.If it was up to me yes.You are never truly "free". Not in any society that has ever functioned. In every society compromises have to be made to keep its people safe and to aid progress. Frankly the US situation is silly. It's pretty obvious that very few people would give a shit were it not for the gun companies that would lose their greatest market.
Freedom > Security.
It isn't up to me.
Neither of us live in a country with a "constitutional right" to own or carry guns.
Gun ownership is not a fundamental human right.
Neither of us live in a country with a "constitutional right" to own or carry guns.
Which countries are you talking about?
We not only have the constitutional right--we, like everyone, have the human right. All our Constitution does is recognize this right and explicitly prohibit its infringement.
What gun control law would've stopped this?
he was court-martialed and sentenced to a year in military prison for assaulting his wife and child
Australia and the UK. In fact pick any country other than the USA.
Neither of us live in a country with a "constitutional right" to own or carry guns.
Which countries are you talking about?
We not only have the constitutional right--we, like everyone, have the human right.Presumably the "we" you are referring to is the USA? You might not have noticed, but people from other countries also post on the interwebs, and they might have different ideas to you about what rights people possess.
What gun control law would've stopped this?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/11/06/who-is-devin-patrick-kelley-gunman-who-officials-say-killed-churchgoers-in-sutherland-springs/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-high_mm-gunman-603am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.11be91c8ec12Quotehe was court-martialed and sentenced to a year in military prison for assaulting his wife and child
There actually is a common sense gun law that might have prevented this. https://everytownresearch.org/guns-domestic-violence/
It's just not particular well enforced or implemented.
This was horrible.
Honestly the medias constant fear mongering and scare campaigns I feel are partly responsible for this.
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From his Facebook page.
More than cleverness, we need kindness. For all of the law is fulfilled in one word.
Our hearts thoughts and prayers go out to the victims and families.
This was horrible.
Honestly the medias constant fear mongering and scare campaigns I feel are partly responsible for this.
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From his Facebook page.
More than cleverness, we need kindness. For all of the law is fulfilled in one word.
Our hearts thoughts and prayers go out to the victims and families.
what do you want to say with this picture?
that he was an atheist and that is why he did what he did?
I hope I am wrong with this interpretation of your post.
Replace cnn with MSM and Facebook and you probably are close. Something to the effect of "there is so much Christian bashing on aethiest, MSM, and Facebook sites that it led him to this." That's obviously wring as it was an inside job in order to sow discord in peoples' faith organizations and make them question whether they should attend church or not. Or it was an inside job to drum up evangelical support by uniting Christians behind the boogeyman of atheism.This was horrible.
Honestly the medias constant fear mongering and scare campaigns I feel are partly responsible for this.
(https://s1.postimg.org/2jg4fzm0rz/1509932274753m.jpg)
From his Facebook page.
More than cleverness, we need kindness. For all of the law is fulfilled in one word.
Our hearts thoughts and prayers go out to the victims and families.
what do you want to say with this picture?
that he was an atheist and that is why he did what he did?
I hope I am wrong with this interpretation of your post.
Not even Trump has said something that disgusting.
My guess is that D1 is inferring that cnn has brainwashed him into massacring a church.
This was horrible.
Honestly the medias constant fear mongering and scare campaigns I feel are partly responsible for this.
(https://s1.postimg.org/2jg4fzm0rz/1509932274753m.jpg)
From his Facebook page.
More than cleverness, we need kindness. For all of the law is fulfilled in one word.
Our hearts thoughts and prayers go out to the victims and families.
what do you want to say with this picture?
that he was an atheist and that is why he did what he did?
I hope I am wrong with this interpretation of your post.
Not even Trump has said something that disgusting.
My guess is that D1 is inferring that cnn has brainwashed him into massacring a church.
If it was up to me yes.You don't have very many people that you really care about, do you?
Freedom > Security.
Trump is only saying that the guy was a deranged person and the whole thing does not have anything to do with gun control.
on the other hand he was last time very quick of yelling to close the border for Islamic person and emigrants.
why does he not yell to imprison all mentally instable persons.
I think there should be a stricter gun control of who is allowed to get a weapon.
it would even be good to implement a constant control if a person is still able to be allowed to have a gun.
like a checkup every 2 years if a person is still physical and mental able to handle a weapon.
If he was dishonorably discharged then he is already in violation by owning a firearm. He was in illegal possession of the furearm he used.
Following his prison sentence, Kelley was reduced in rank and released from the military with a bad conduct discharge in 2014.
If it was up to me yes.What about the freedom of living? Should the freedom of owning a gun be prioritised over the freedom of living?
Freedom > Security.
What gun control law would've stopped this?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/11/06/who-is-devin-patrick-kelley-gunman-who-officials-say-killed-churchgoers-in-sutherland-springs/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-high_mm-gunman-603am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.11be91c8ec12Quotehe was court-martialed and sentenced to a year in military prison for assaulting his wife and child
There actually is a common sense gun law that might have prevented this. https://everytownresearch.org/guns-domestic-violence/
It's just not particular well enforced or implemented.
If he was dishonorably discharged then he is already in violation by owning a firearm. He was in illegal possession of the furearm he used.
My own take.
I would feel a lot LESS safe with a gun if it meant everyone else potentially had a gun
I feel MORE safe, not having a gun, knowing the chances of anyone else having one is SFA.
If an intruder breaks into my house armed with a baseball bat, I can still have a chance of defending myself. If I am allowed to have a gun, chances are he will too and it wouldn't be a baseball bat anymore, but a gun I have to defend myself against.
My own take.
I would feel a lot LESS safe with a gun if it meant everyone else potentially had a gun
I feel MORE safe, not having a gun, knowing the chances of anyone else having one is SFA.
If an intruder breaks into my house armed with a baseball bat, I can still have a chance of defending myself. If I am allowed to have a gun, chances are he will too and it wouldn't be a baseball bat anymore, but a gun I have to defend myself against.
I would feel more safe if I have a gun and there is a good gun control and I know that other person with guns are also gone thru the good gun control and can be trusted with a gun and they know how to handle it.
My own take.
I would feel a lot LESS safe with a gun if it meant everyone else potentially had a gun
I feel MORE safe, not having a gun, knowing the chances of anyone else having one is SFA.
If an intruder breaks into my house armed with a baseball bat, I can still have a chance of defending myself. If I am allowed to have a gun, chances are he will too and it wouldn't be a baseball bat anymore, but a gun I have to defend myself against.
I would feel more safe if I have a gun and there is a good gun control and I know that other person with guns are also gone thru the good gun control and can be trusted with a gun and they know how to handle it.
That a pretty massive IF even for a fantasy land.
Also, I might be fine today and able to pass any check with flying colours. Tomorrow my life could turn upside down, lose everything, spiral into a deep depression and drink/drug away all my problems. No one is going to say I have to return those guns even if I would massively fail the checks with my new situation
The best a background checks does is basically say, this person at some point in their life passed a background check. There is no requirement after that to conduct yourself in a manner that would continue to see you pass background checks.
Also, with guns so prevalent, who is to say someone who didn't pass the check just didn't go out and steal one?
if you want to ban fire arms what about bow and cross bow?Seriously?
Ban rocks and sticks too. They can do a lot of damage or even kill.
What gun control law would've stopped this?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/11/06/who-is-devin-patrick-kelley-gunman-who-officials-say-killed-churchgoers-in-sutherland-springs/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-high_mm-gunman-603am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.11be91c8ec12Quotehe was court-martialed and sentenced to a year in military prison for assaulting his wife and child
There actually is a common sense gun law that might have prevented this. https://everytownresearch.org/guns-domestic-violence/
It's just not particular well enforced or implemented.
If he was dishonorably discharged then he is already in violation by owning a firearm. He was in illegal possession of the furearm he used.
The point I was trying to make was that domestic violence is a very good predictor of someone whose likely to kill people. A number of states actually have laws preventing people from getting firearms that have convictions of domestic violence. Texas is among them.
http://lawcenter.giffords.org/domestic-violence-and-firearms-in-texas/
I don't have the article handy but I read that when this guy got his guns there was a form that asked him if he was legally allowed to own a firearm. He checked 'yes'. Awesome system we have there.
You are never free.
Ban rocks and sticks too. They can do a lot of damage or even kill.
Trucks have many uses other than killing people. What uses do assault rifles have other than killing people?Ban rocks and sticks too. They can do a lot of damage or even kill.
Ban assault trucks, high capacity gas tanks and fully automatic transmissions!!
Common sense assault truck laws now!!!!
Trucks have many uses other than killing people. What uses do assault rifles have other than killing people?Ban rocks and sticks too. They can do a lot of damage or even kill.
Ban assault trucks, high capacity gas tanks and fully automatic transmissions!!
Common sense assault truck laws now!!!!
All this nonsense about gun control is idiotic. Finland and Switzerland have more guns per head of population than the USA, the problem isn't guns, it's the American Psyche, it seems that it isn't mature enough to handle guns.That's actually bullshit pro gun propaganda, at least for switzerland I'm rather sure that most of the people there do have guns only, without ammunition. Pretty sure it's the same for finland.
How many people who own guns, think they are some kind of vigilante rambo? Enough to be a problem it seems.'muricans are not among the smartest, it is known.
America has lost the plot. Too many internet conspiracy nutters and lack of self control.
the problem isn't guns, it's the American Psyche, it seems that it isn't mature enough to handle guns.
You are never free.
Thanks for your opinion, I disagree.
Once he fills out the form, they run it through NCIS. Any information that doesn't line up to his answers can delay or outright deny him. Depending on what he answered, he could be charged with perjury.
Finland and Switzerland have more guns per head of population than the USAUhmm, sauce?
Your survey shows only civilian firearms. Switzerland and finland citizens have military firearms at home. So your survey says absolutely nothing.Finland and Switzerland have more guns per head of population than the USAUhmm, sauce?
This is what I found: http://www.smallarmssurvey.org/fileadmin/docs/A-Yearbook/2007/en/Small-Arms-Survey-2007-Chapter-02-annexe-4-EN.pdf (http://www.smallarmssurvey.org/fileadmin/docs/A-Yearbook/2007/en/Small-Arms-Survey-2007-Chapter-02-annexe-4-EN.pdf)
Your statement seems to be completely false. And other surveys show roughly the same trend.
Your survey shows only civilian firearms. Switzerland and finland citizens have military firearms at home. So your survey says absolutely nothing.Finland and Switzerland have more guns per head of population than the USAUhmm, sauce?
This is what I found: http://www.smallarmssurvey.org/fileadmin/docs/A-Yearbook/2007/en/Small-Arms-Survey-2007-Chapter-02-annexe-4-EN.pdf (http://www.smallarmssurvey.org/fileadmin/docs/A-Yearbook/2007/en/Small-Arms-Survey-2007-Chapter-02-annexe-4-EN.pdf)
Your statement seems to be completely false. And other surveys show roughly the same trend.
Where I live, most hunting is done with shotguns, bows and muzzle loaders.Trucks have many uses other than killing people. What uses do assault rifles have other than killing people?Ban rocks and sticks too. They can do a lot of damage or even kill.
Ban assault trucks, high capacity gas tanks and fully automatic transmissions!!
Common sense assault truck laws now!!!!
what about guns for hunter or sport.
Your survey shows only civilian firearms. Switzerland and finland citizens have military firearms at home. So your survey says absolutely nothing.Huh? We are talking about civilian ownership of weapons, right? How is a survey, studying the civilian ownership of weapons, not saying anything about civilian ownership of weapons?
Finland and Switzerland have more guns per head of population than the USAThis isn't even remotely true. Finland and Switzerland don't even top the guns per head for Europe and the rate is 4 times less than the USA.
Initial statement wasYour survey shows only civilian firearms. Switzerland and finland citizens have military firearms at home. So your survey says absolutely nothing.Huh? We are talking about civilian ownership of weapons, right? How is a survey, studying the civilian ownership of weapons, not saying anything about civilian ownership of weapons?
Edit: And I don't know what you mean by "citizens have military firearms at home.". Either you're implying that most people in these countries are in illegal possession of arms, or you're forgetting that each country has different views on which weapons are to be available to civilians or not.If you get a gun in the military, get to take it home, then you legally have a military gun at home. Your survey doesn't count those guns so it's not representative about how many guns there are per citizen.
Initial statement wasCivilian ownership doesn't mean that it was bought in a store necessarily. They mean ANY gun that is in civilian possession. So no, the survey IS representative of the amount of guns owned by civilians.
"Finland and Switzerland have more guns per head of population than the USA"
The study only took into account civilian fire arms.
I mentioned that the statistic is useless, because in switzerland (and I think finland, too) people are required to go into military and then keep their weapon at home, meaning that the amount of weapons per household in switzerland(/finland) is way higher than what your survey states.
If you get a gun in the military, get to take it home, then you legally have a military gun at home. Your survey doesn't count those guns so it's not representative about how many guns there are per citizen.If you're allowed to bring it home it's not military, it's civilian. You're misunderstanding the meaning of civilian guns in the context. The survey is speaking about civilian ownership of weapons, not commercial weapons targeted towards and sold to civilians. If a civilian is trained and then handed a gun by the military, that they then bring home, they will be a civilian in possession of a gun, and that gun will be counted as a civilian firearm by the survey.
If you're allowed to bring it home it's not military, it's civilian. You're misunderstanding the meaning of civilian guns in the context. The survey is speaking about civilian ownership of weapons, not commercial weapons targeted towards and sold to civilians. If a civilian is trained and then handed a gun by the military, that they then bring home, they will be a civilian in possession of a gun, and that gun will be counted as a civilian firearm by the survey.Hmm, sounds reasonable, could be true.
If the military issued you the weapon, then it's a military weapon, regardless of where it lives.If you get a gun in the military, get to take it home, then you legally have a military gun at home. Your survey doesn't count those guns so it's not representative about how many guns there are per citizen.If you're allowed to bring it home it's not military, it's civilian.
Hmm, sounds reasonable, could be true.They don't really define it, but here is how they word it in the survey papers:
Where can I find the definition used in the survey?
Box 2.5 Switzerland: public uncertainty and expert biasesSo it definitely seems that they are taking into account weapons issued by the military to civilians.
Despite their cultural importance, the number of privately held Swiss firearms is extremely elusive. A recent survey found
that 26 per cent (1.95 million) of Swiss own at least one firearm (Gasser, 2006; also see Becker, 2001, p. 14). Published estimates
of total firearm ownership vary extraordinarily, ranging from 1.2 million to 12 million (see Table 2.6).
There is less room for disagreement over the nature of Swiss gun problems. This was poignantly demonstrated by the
Zug massacre of 2001, and in 2006 by the murder of former Swiss ski champion Corinne Rey-Bellet (Foulkes, 2006). Firearm
murders are only somewhat more common in Switzerland than most other European countries, but firearm suicide is significantly
more prevalent (Ajdacic-Gross et al., 2006). Recent research concluded that greater availability of firearms has increased
suicides by roughly 25 per cent in the last 20 years. Army-issued weapons are a major element in Switzerland’s suicides.
Although 60 per cent of Swiss firearm murderers use privately acquired weapons, 68 per cent of successful suicides use armyissued
guns (Ajdacic-Gross et al., 2006). As a proxy variable for firearm accessibility, Swiss suicide data supports higher estimates
of civilian ownership (Killias, 1993; Killias, Kesteren, and Rindlisbacher, 2001).
Traditionally, Swiss army reservists store their service weapons and sealed ammunition at home. The weapons can be
kept after their service obligation ends, an option chosen by 57–75 per cent of former soldiers, after paying a fee (Papacella,
2004; Vonarburg, 2006). This process accelerated in 2004, when the army began reducing its ranks by over 300,000 reservists,
a measure expected to release several hundred thousand additional high-powered rifles and pistols (Papacella, 2004).
One major area of disagreement is the number of modern military rifles in the hands of former reservists, their heirs, and
clients. According to Peter Hug, roughly 100,000 Sturmgewehr 57 and Sturmgewehr 90 automatic and semi-automatic rifles
have been released this way (Hug, 2006). Contrasting reports suggest that many more were released in 2004–06 alone (Mutter,
2006; Papacella, 2004). Even greater uncertainty surrounds privately purchased firearms. Hug (2006) estimates this category
at some 450,000. Other estimates can be explained only by assuming that there are between one and three million privately
acquired guns.
The lowest total estimates of 1.2–1.3 million private Swiss guns (Bachmann, 2002; SwissInfo, 2005) overlook major categories.
The highest estimates of 5–12 million are hard to justify without a clear breakdown. The Small Arms Survey presents Swiss
ownership at 2.3–4.5 million firearms, or 31–60 for every 100 residents.
The broad range of Swiss firearm estimates illuminates common biases of expert estimates. The perceptions of gun policy
experts anywhere, regardless of their convictions, are vulnerable to classic problems of cognitive screening and selective
attention, leading them to see what they expect to see (Bruner, 1957; Egeth, 1967). Higher numbers typically—but not always—
come from gun owners and police; lower numbers usually are from gun control advocates. Whether they devote more time to
shooting sports or responding to gun pathologies, owners tend to see more guns than non-owners. Because of their greater
proximity to firearms, the estimates of law enforcement officials and gun advocates must be taken seriously. The perspectives
of more distant observers can be equally valuable. Without comprehensive records or careful public polling, neither
perspective is sufficient. Whenever possible, both methods must be applied together.
If the military issued you the weapon, then it's a military weapon, regardless of where it lives.I don't think the survey cares wether a weapon is intended for civilian or military use.
Once he fills out the form, they run it through NCIS. Any information that doesn't line up to his answers can delay or outright deny him. Depending on what he answered, he could be charged with perjury.
OOOH, THAT WILL PUT HIM IN HIS PLACE NOW!
Once he fills out the form, they run it through NCIS. Any information that doesn't line up to his answers can delay or outright deny him. Depending on what he answered, he could be charged with perjury.
OOOH, THAT WILL PUT HIM IN HIS PLACE NOW!
Thanks for pointing out that criminals don't care about laws.
Welcome to the NRA.
But are they really civilians or are they active duty or reserve military? Do they actually own the weapons or does the military want their weapons back after they're done with their military service?If the military issued you the weapon, then it's a military weapon, regardless of where it lives.I don't think the survey cares wether a weapon is intended for civilian or military use.
There's a difference between civilian-arms ownership and civilian arms-ownership. I'm pretty sure the survey leans towards the latter, as that makes more sense.
I'd have to research it, but I think they are reserve military but they don't have to give the weapon back. Not sure tho.But are they really civilians or are they active duty or reserve military? Do they actually own the weapons or does the military want their weapons back after they're done with their military service?If the military issued you the weapon, then it's a military weapon, regardless of where it lives.I don't think the survey cares wether a weapon is intended for civilian or military use.
There's a difference between civilian-arms ownership and civilian arms-ownership. I'm pretty sure the survey leans towards the latter, as that makes more sense.
Once he fills out the form, they run it through NCIS. Any information that doesn't line up to his answers can delay or outright deny him. Depending on what he answered, he could be charged with perjury.
OOOH, THAT WILL PUT HIM IN HIS PLACE NOW!
Thanks for pointing out that criminals don't care about laws.
Welcome to the NRA.
Awesome. Let's abolish all laws since they're apparently completely powerless to prevent anything ever.
Anarchy FTW!
Once he fills out the form, they run it through NCIS. Any information that doesn't line up to his answers can delay or outright deny him. Depending on what he answered, he could be charged with perjury.
OOOH, THAT WILL PUT HIM IN HIS PLACE NOW!
Thanks for pointing out that criminals don't care about laws.
Welcome to the NRA.
Awesome. Let's abolish all laws since they're apparently completely powerless to prevent anything ever.
Anarchy FTW!
You are the only one in this thread who mentioned abolishing laws.
If they are reserve military, then it's most likely that they are responsible for the weapons that were issued but don't actually own them.I'd have to research it, but I think they are reserve military but they don't have to give the weapon back. Not sure tho.But are they really civilians or are they active duty or reserve military? Do they actually own the weapons or does the military want their weapons back after they're done with their military service?If the military issued you the weapon, then it's a military weapon, regardless of where it lives.I don't think the survey cares wether a weapon is intended for civilian or military use.
There's a difference between civilian-arms ownership and civilian arms-ownership. I'm pretty sure the survey leans towards the latter, as that makes more sense.
But are they really civilians or are they active duty or reserve military? Do they actually own the weapons or does the military want their weapons back after they're done with their military service?When they're not at work they are technically civilians. And if I'm interpreting this (and the rest of what the survey says about switzerland) right:
EDIT: Or in any other way demonstrate, not just by voicing their own opinion, that the statistics are false.You quoted it yourself
Published estimates of total firearm ownership vary extraordinarily, ranging from 1.2 million to 12 million
What an accurate survey, only a range of factor 10 (1000%).Context, ever learned that word? They are talking about other surveys, not their own:
Table 2.6 Estimates of civilian firearms ownership in Switzerland
Estimate Source
1.2 SwissInfo (2005)
1.3 Bachmann (2002)
l.0–3.0 Pescia (2006)
2.36 Hug (2006)
2.83–4.56 ProTell (2004)
5.0 Munday (1996, p. 12)
3.0–l2.0 Hess (1995)
2.3–4.5 2007 Small Arms Survey estimate
Bro, they didn't even make their own research, they just used already published papers to estimate the gun-per-citizen rate.What an accurate survey, only a range of factor 10 (1000%).Context, ever learned that word? They are talking about other surveys, not their own:QuoteTable 2.6 Estimates of civilian firearms ownership in Switzerland
Estimate Source
1.2 SwissInfo (2005)
1.3 Bachmann (2002)
l.0–3.0 Pescia (2006)
2.36 Hug (2006)
2.83–4.56 ProTell (2004)
5.0 Munday (1996, p. 12)
3.0–l2.0 Hess (1995)
2.3–4.5 2007 Small Arms Survey estimate
And use a little common sense. "Published surveys". At the time of them writing this survey, their own survey couldn't had been published, otherwise they wouldn't be writing still. So it obviously has to be talking about other surveys.
Bro, they didn't even make their own research, they just used already published papers to estimate the gun-per-citizen rate.Is that a problem? Comparing the results of multiple different studies and arriving at a new estimate should be quite accurate. Does it in any way make the estimation wrong, and do you have any sources that would contradict this survey?
Basically a meta study. But the available data sucked.
Once he fills out the form, they run it through NCIS. Any information that doesn't line up to his answers can delay or outright deny him. Depending on what he answered, he could be charged with perjury.
OOOH, THAT WILL PUT HIM IN HIS PLACE NOW!
Thanks for pointing out that criminals don't care about laws.
Welcome to the NRA.
Once he fills out the form, they run it through NCIS. Any information that doesn't line up to his answers can delay or outright deny him. Depending on what he answered, he could be charged with perjury.
OOOH, THAT WILL PUT HIM IN HIS PLACE NOW!
Thanks for pointing out that criminals don't care about laws.
Welcome to the NRA.
I'm sorry, the point is to have a system that makes SURE you can't have a gun if you don't meet the requirements, having one where any asshole can say "yes, I am allowed to have a gun" and then MAYBE, in some point in the future, if he's found out he may be tried for perjury just doesn't cut it.
The report shows that, between 2008 and 2015, the FBI denied 556,496 gun purchases following background checks. During that time period, the report shows that only 254 false statements were even considered for prosecution, amounting to a 0.04 percent prosecution rate.https://www.google.com/amp/freebeacon.com/issues/prosecutions-lying-gun-background-checks-fall-new-low/amp/
Once he fills out the form, they run it through NCIS. Any information that doesn't line up to his answers can delay or outright deny him. Depending on what he answered, he could be charged with perjury.
OOOH, THAT WILL PUT HIM IN HIS PLACE NOW!
Thanks for pointing out that criminals don't care about laws.
Welcome to the NRA.
I'm sorry, the point is to have a system that makes SURE you can't have a gun if you don't meet the requirements, having one where any asshole can say "yes, I am allowed to have a gun" and then MAYBE, in some point in the future, if he's found out he may be tried for perjury just doesn't cut it.
Perhaps we should actually try it.QuoteThe report shows that, between 2008 and 2015, the FBI denied 556,496 gun purchases following background checks. During that time period, the report shows that only 254 false statements were even considered for prosecution, amounting to a 0.04 percent prosecution rate.https://www.google.com/amp/freebeacon.com/issues/prosecutions-lying-gun-background-checks-fall-new-low/amp/
You can get 5 years iirc for perjury.
Ooooh, so there were only 254 false statements that they found out were false.No. Only 254 false statements were considered for prosecution. There were over half a million gun purchase denials (presumably for some sort of false statement).
I wonder how many false statements weren't found out. Like this case we're talking about here.Impossible to know, but obviously too many.
Once he fills out the form, they run it through NCIS. Any information that doesn't line up to his answers can delay or outright deny him. Depending on what he answered, he could be charged with perjury.
OOOH, THAT WILL PUT HIM IN HIS PLACE NOW!
Thanks for pointing out that criminals don't care about laws.
Welcome to the NRA.
I'm sorry, the point is to have a system that makes SURE you can't have a gun if you don't meet the requirements, having one where any asshole can say "yes, I am allowed to have a gun" and then MAYBE, in some point in the future, if he's found out he may be tried for perjury just doesn't cut it.
Perhaps we should actually try it.QuoteThe report shows that, between 2008 and 2015, the FBI denied 556,496 gun purchases following background checks. During that time period, the report shows that only 254 false statements were even considered for prosecution, amounting to a 0.04 percent prosecution rate.https://www.google.com/amp/freebeacon.com/issues/prosecutions-lying-gun-background-checks-fall-new-low/amp/
You can get 5 years iirc for perjury.
Ooooh, so there were only 254 false statements that they found out were false. I wonder how many false statements weren't found out. Like this case we're talking about here.
only 254 false statements were even considered for prosecution,
Noooo, maybe you should read the article again.Ain't nobody got time for that. If you have read it, just quote to important part.
Again, perhaps we should try enforcing laws designed to stop people who by due process have had their right restricted.
In this particular case lying should not have worked because his crimes were not reported as the law requires.
But, a good question to ask is if this nut actually knew someone who did time for lying on the form would he have even tried?
It doesn't matter what the penalty is if they know it's not enforced.
Kind of like going a few mph faster than the speed limit. You know it's against the law but you do it because you also know the police don't bother.
But, a good question to ask is if this nut actually knew someone who did time for lying on the form would he have even tried?
Noooo, maybe you should read the article again.Ain't nobody got time for that. If you have read it, just quote to important part.
You do know that the NRA supports background checks and has called for more prosecution of those who are denied right?
Again, perhaps we should try enforcing laws designed to stop people who by due process have had their right restricted.
In this particular case lying should not have worked because his crimes were not reported as the law requires.
But, a good question to ask is if this nut actually knew someone who did time for lying on the form would he have even tried?
It doesn't matter what the penalty is if they know it's not enforced.
Kind of like going a few mph faster than the speed limit. You know it's against the law but you do it because you also know the police don't bother.
Well yes. But therein lies the rub. The issue is so politicized that if you're a Republican then you must deflect at all costs or you'll get lynched by the NRA.
But, a good question to ask is if this nut actually knew someone who did time for lying on the form would he have even tried?
Probably. I think he bought it less than a month ago, I'm pretty sure he bought it specifically to kill them. He didn't care enough about the "don't mass murder people" law, what makes you think he'd care for the "don't lie for a gun permit" law? The point is to have a system where lying wouldn't have worked and completely prevent this altogether instead of just applying a penalty to it.
But, a good question to ask is if this nut actually knew someone who did time for lying on the form would he have even tried?
Probably. I think he bought it less than a month ago, I'm pretty sure he bought it specifically to kill them. He didn't care enough about the "don't mass murder people" law, what makes you think he'd care for the "don't lie for a gun permit" law? The point is to have a system where lying wouldn't have worked and completely prevent this altogether instead of just applying a penalty to it.
We have that system now, he should have been refused even if he had lied under penalty of death.
But, a good question to ask is if this nut actually knew someone who did time for lying on the form would he have even tried?
Probably. I think he bought it less than a month ago, I'm pretty sure he bought it specifically to kill them. He didn't care enough about the "don't mass murder people" law, what makes you think he'd care for the "don't lie for a gun permit" law? The point is to have a system where lying wouldn't have worked and completely prevent this altogether instead of just applying a penalty to it.
We have that system now, he should have been refused even if he had lied under penalty of death.
That's way too heavy handed. But why did it not work in this case exactly?
That will be an interesting investigation.
It seems that the US government didn't tell the US government something the US government is required to do by the US government.
:)
It was the Air Force that screwed up by not entering his conviction into the national database like they were supposed to. If they had, then the background check that was performed would have flagged him and he wouldn't have been able to buy the guns.But, a good question to ask is if this nut actually knew someone who did time for lying on the form would he have even tried?
Probably. I think he bought it less than a month ago, I'm pretty sure he bought it specifically to kill them. He didn't care enough about the "don't mass murder people" law, what makes you think he'd care for the "don't lie for a gun permit" law? The point is to have a system where lying wouldn't have worked and completely prevent this altogether instead of just applying a penalty to it.
We have that system now, he should have been refused even if he had lied under penalty of death.
It was the Air Force that screwed up by not entering his conviction into the national database like they were supposed to. If they had, then the background check that was performed would have flagged him and he wouldn't have been able to buy the guns.But, a good question to ask is if this nut actually knew someone who did time for lying on the form would he have even tried?
Probably. I think he bought it less than a month ago, I'm pretty sure he bought it specifically to kill them. He didn't care enough about the "don't mass murder people" law, what makes you think he'd care for the "don't lie for a gun permit" law? The point is to have a system where lying wouldn't have worked and completely prevent this altogether instead of just applying a penalty to it.
We have that system now, he should have been refused even if he had lied under penalty of death.
You do know that the NRA supports background checks and has called for more prosecution of those who are denied right?
Again, perhaps we should try enforcing laws designed to stop people who by due process have had their right restricted.
In this particular case lying should not have worked because his crimes were not reported as the law requires.
But, a good question to ask is if this nut actually knew someone who did time for lying on the form would he have even tried?
It doesn't matter what the penalty is if they know it's not enforced.
Kind of like going a few mph faster than the speed limit. You know it's against the law but you do it because you also know the police don't bother.
Well yes. But therein lies the rub. The issue is so politicized that if you're a Republican then you must deflect at all costs or you'll get lynched by the NRA.
That will be an interesting investigation.
It seems that the US government didn't tell the US government something the US government is required to do by the US government.
:)
Oh this is just great. Way to go.
Actually, it's more like the NRA membership supports common sense gun regulations and background checks. It's the NRA leadership that's opposed to any sort of gun regulation.You do know that the NRA supports background checks and has called for more prosecution of those who are denied right?
Again, perhaps we should try enforcing laws designed to stop people who by due process have had their right restricted.
In this particular case lying should not have worked because his crimes were not reported as the law requires.
But, a good question to ask is if this nut actually knew someone who did time for lying on the form would he have even tried?
It doesn't matter what the penalty is if they know it's not enforced.
Kind of like going a few mph faster than the speed limit. You know it's against the law but you do it because you also know the police don't bother.
Well yes. But therein lies the rub. The issue is so politicized that if you're a Republican then you must deflect at all costs or you'll get lynched by the NRA.
I was not aware of that. Maybe someone should inform Trump of that. He seems to think more guns are the answer.
You do know that the NRA supports background checks and has called for more prosecution of those who are denied right?
Again, perhaps we should try enforcing laws designed to stop people who by due process have had their right restricted.
In this particular case lying should not have worked because his crimes were not reported as the law requires.
But, a good question to ask is if this nut actually knew someone who did time for lying on the form would he have even tried?
It doesn't matter what the penalty is if they know it's not enforced.
Kind of like going a few mph faster than the speed limit. You know it's against the law but you do it because you also know the police don't bother.
Well yes. But therein lies the rub. The issue is so politicized that if you're a Republican then you must deflect at all costs or you'll get lynched by the NRA.
I was not aware of that. Maybe someone should inform Trump of that. He seems to think more guns are the answer.
Example?
One more gun seems to have been the answer in this case no?
You do know that the NRA supports background checks and has called for more prosecution of those who are denied right?
Again, perhaps we should try enforcing laws designed to stop people who by due process have had their right restricted.
In this particular case lying should not have worked because his crimes were not reported as the law requires.
But, a good question to ask is if this nut actually knew someone who did time for lying on the form would he have even tried?
It doesn't matter what the penalty is if they know it's not enforced.
Kind of like going a few mph faster than the speed limit. You know it's against the law but you do it because you also know the police don't bother.
Well yes. But therein lies the rub. The issue is so politicized that if you're a Republican then you must deflect at all costs or you'll get lynched by the NRA.
I was not aware of that. Maybe someone should inform Trump of that. He seems to think more guns are the answer.
Example?
One more gun seems to have been the answer in this case no?
And what law would you suggest that would have made it one less?
Example where Trump seems to think more guns are the answer?
And what law would you suggest that would have made it one less?
And what law would you suggest that would have made it one less?
One that entirely bans this class of guns?
Example where Trump seems to think more guns are the answer?
http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-pol-essential-washington-updates-trump-hundreds-more-may-have-died-in-1510051281-htmlstory.html
And what law would you suggest that would have made it one less?
http://lawcenter.giffords.org/domestic-violence-and-firearms-in-texas/
The law already exists. They've just done a shit job at enforcing it.
Trucks have many uses other than killing people. What uses do assault rifles have other than killing people?Ban rocks and sticks too. They can do a lot of damage or even kill.
Ban assault trucks, high capacity gas tanks and fully automatic transmissions!!
Common sense assault truck laws now!!!!
Once he fills out the form, they run it through NCIS. Any information that doesn't line up to his answers can delay or outright deny him. Depending on what he answered, he could be charged with perjury.
OOOH, THAT WILL PUT HIM IN HIS PLACE NOW!
And what law would you suggest that would have made it one less?In this case, the law already exists (domestic abuse conviction). It was just a matter of the conviction not being properly reported to the appropriate database. Again, the conviction should have shown up in the background check and stopped the sale.
My point exactly.And what law would you suggest that would have made it one less?In this case, the law already exists (domestic abuse conviction). It was just a matter of the conviction not being properly reported to the appropriate database. Again, the conviction should have shown up in the background check and stopped the sale.
They don't and heads should roll for the failure to have this nut in the database.
What did the Air Force say about this?
“This was mishandled by the Air Force Office of Special Investigations at Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico, where Kelley was serving when he was arrested,” Bowman reported.
“An investigation is now underway, and the Air Force is taking it very seriously, said the source.”
Too many internet conspiracy nutters.
Do you think it's a problem? Or are you just here to derail discussion about Big Pharma and Big oil?
There's a clear link between anti-depressants and mass shootings.
I think we should reevaluate the treatment of mental health conditions. SSRIs should be an absolute last resort when family community exercise good food and love don't work.
Typo.
There's a clear link between anti-depressants and mass shootings.Citation from a credible source please.
There's a clear link between anti-depressants and mass shootings.Citation from one of the media outlets owned by the federal reserve please.
Okay, so you admit that you have no credible sources. Good to know.There's a clear link between anti-depressants and mass shootings.Citation from one of the media outlets owned by the federal reserve please.
You win again.
The TV is the true measure of the truth. I'll chase up some statistical data later
Busy now.
Why ask me when you can turn on your TV and watch news owned by big pharma about big pharma?Who do you think would report honestly about anti-depressants and mass shootings? I'm not kidding. Who do you trust to tell the truth and why do you trust them?
They would report honestly about themselves. It's not like they want to make money.
Wait....
Why ask me when you can turn on your TV and watch news owned by big pharma about big pharma?Who do you think would report honestly about anti-depressants and mass shootings? I'm not kidding. Who do you trust to tell the truth and why do you trust them?
They would report honestly about themselves. It's not like they want to make money.
Wait....
No simple answers here.
I think we should re-evaluate giving SSRI's to people who just feel blue.
The side effects can be quite extreme.
I get the feeling that doctors get bonuses or commissions if they meet quotas for prescribing 'x' amount of medication. It makes it difficult to trust they are doing what's best for me if they have a personal stake in the advice or prescriptions they give.
I think we should re-evaluate giving SSRI's to people who just feel blue.Docs that are giving ssri's to people that don't really need them are bad docs. Simple as that.
Walked into a doctors office one day. Feeling a bit run down from the many hours doing 2 jobs. Walked out with a prescription for an SSRI anti depressant (maybe Zoloft) and Valium.Pretty sure that's not enough indication for prescribing you an antidepressant. Just a lazy doc.
I get the feeling that doctors get bonuses or commissions if they meet quotas for prescribing 'x' amount of medication.Where I live, they don't, and that's good.
There's a clear link between anti-depressants and mass shootings.The link probably is, that depressed people have a higher tendency to go for a mass shooting, and depressed people have a higher chance of using/having used an antidepressant. But who knows, perhaps some antidepressants have the side effects of lowering your inhibition threshold.
Once he fills out the form, they run it through NCIS. Any information that doesn't line up to his answers can delay or outright deny him. Depending on what he answered, he could be charged with perjury.
OOOH, THAT WILL PUT HIM IN HIS PLACE NOW!
The Air Force failed in adding the criminal conduct to his background. So it's not a matter of more gun laws but rather the lack of enfircement of current laws.
All companies are run for profits. Its called capitalism. They are run for the benefits of shareholders - they have no other reason to exist.
It's nearly like big pharma is run for profit and not for the health of the people.
They are run for the benefits of shareholders - they have no other reason to exist.I disagree. Not everyone is driven by purely capitalistic reasons.
How about enforcing current laws PLUS new laws, such as prohibiting sale of semi automatics?I'm all for common sense gun laws, but I don't think that semiautomatics should be banned outright. However, I can see a case for limiting/banning high capacity magazines.
How about enforcing current laws PLUS new laws, such as prohibiting sale of semi automatics?I'm all for common sense gun laws, but I don't think that semiautomatics should be banned outright. However, I can see a case for limiting/banning high capacity magazines.
How about enforcing current laws PLUS new laws, such as prohibiting sale of semi automatics?I'm all for common sense gun laws, but I don't think that semiautomatics should be banned outright. However, I can see a case for limiting/banning high capacity magazines.
What's a use for semiautomatics that makes up for the risk?
How about enforcing current laws PLUS new laws, such as prohibiting sale of semi automatics?I'm all for common sense gun laws, but I don't think that semiautomatics should be banned outright. However, I can see a case for limiting/banning high capacity magazines.
What's a use for semiautomatics that makes up for the risk?
The security of a free State.
I never said they were - that would be silly.They are run for the benefits of shareholders - they have no other reason to exist.I disagree. Not everyone is driven by purely capitalistic reasons.
The imminent zombie apocalypse. Or all out nuclear war with North Korea. Whichever comes first.How about enforcing current laws PLUS new laws, such as prohibiting sale of semi automatics?I'm all for common sense gun laws, but I don't think that semiautomatics should be banned outright. However, I can see a case for limiting/banning high capacity magazines.
What's a use for semiautomatics that makes up for the risk?
The imminent zombie apocalypse. Or all out nuclear war with North Korea. Whichever comes first.How about enforcing current laws PLUS new laws, such as prohibiting sale of semi automatics?I'm all for common sense gun laws, but I don't think that semiautomatics should be banned outright. However, I can see a case for limiting/banning high capacity magazines.
What's a use for semiautomatics that makes up for the risk?
The imminent zombie apocalypse. Or all out nuclear war with North Korea. Whichever comes first.How about enforcing current laws PLUS new laws, such as prohibiting sale of semi automatics?I'm all for common sense gun laws, but I don't think that semiautomatics should be banned outright. However, I can see a case for limiting/banning high capacity magazines.
What's a use for semiautomatics that makes up for the risk?
The zombie apocalypse I understand, but why would a war with North Korea require an average hick in some small American town need a semi automatic for?
Once he fills out the form, they run it through NCIS. Any information that doesn't line up to his answers can delay or outright deny him. Depending on what he answered, he could be charged with perjury.
OOOH, THAT WILL PUT HIM IN HIS PLACE NOW!
The Air Force failed in adding the criminal conduct to his background. So it's not a matter of more gun laws but rather the lack of enfircement of current laws.
How about enforcing current laws PLUS new laws, such as prohibiting sale of semi automatics?
How about enforcing current laws PLUS new laws, such as prohibiting sale of semi automatics?I'm all for common sense gun laws, but I don't think that semiautomatics should be banned outright. However, I can see a case for limiting/banning high capacity magazines.
How about enforcing current laws PLUS new laws, such as prohibiting sale of semi automatics?I'm all for common sense gun laws, but I don't think that semiautomatics should be banned outright. However, I can see a case for limiting/banning high capacity magazines.
What's a use for semiautomatics that makes up for the risk?
Banning pistols might actually go a long way toward reducing homicides.
Pistols seem to be used in quite a few cases of homicide and also gang related violence. Pistols can be easily concealed while it'd be more difficult to conceal a long arm. Thus, if gangsters can't hide their weapon, they may be less likely to openly carry one reducing homicides in the process.Banning pistols might actually go a long way toward reducing homicides.
I would like to see evidence.
How about enforcing current laws PLUS new laws, such as prohibiting sale of semi automatics?I'm all for common sense gun laws, but I don't think that semiautomatics should be banned outright. However, I can see a case for limiting/banning high capacity magazines.
What's a use for semiautomatics that makes up for the risk?
The allowence of quick follow up shots in case the furst round didn't stopped the threats or in the case of multiple threats.
Pistols seem to be used in quite a few cases of homicide and also gang related violence. Pistols can be easily concealed while it'd be more difficult to conceal a long arm. Thus, if gangsters can't hide their weapon, they may be less likely to openly carry one reducing homicides in the process.Banning pistols might actually go a long way toward reducing homicides.
I would like to see evidence.
Pistols seem to be used in quite a few cases of homicide and also gang related violence. Pistols can be easily concealed while it'd be more difficult to conceal a long arm. Thus, if gangsters can't hide their weapon, they may be less likely to openly carry one reducing homicides in the process.Banning pistols might actually go a long way toward reducing homicides.
I would like to see evidence.
How about enforcing current laws PLUS new laws, such as prohibiting sale of semi automatics?I'm all for common sense gun laws, but I don't think that semiautomatics should be banned outright. However, I can see a case for limiting/banning high capacity magazines.
What's a use for semiautomatics that makes up for the risk?
The allowence of quick follow up shots in case the furst round didn't stopped the threats or in the case of multiple threats.
How many people can a gunner kill with a pistol or a shotgun and how many can he kill with a semi automatic rifle before he is neutralized/out of ammo?
So 60% of mass shootings are carried out by pistols, yet banning pistols wouldn't reduce homocides? That sounds fishy.How about enforcing current laws PLUS new laws, such as prohibiting sale of semi automatics?I'm all for common sense gun laws, but I don't think that semiautomatics should be banned outright. However, I can see a case for limiting/banning high capacity magazines.
What's a use for semiautomatics that makes up for the risk?
The allowence of quick follow up shots in case the furst round didn't stopped the threats or in the case of multiple threats.
How many people can a gunner kill with a pistol or a shotgun and how many can he kill with a semi automatic rifle before he is neutralized/out of ammo?
Pistols ARE semi automatic and in fact, the third largest mass shooting was done with ten round magazines and pistols, 60% of all mass shootings are done with pistols, the Navy yard shooter used a shotgun.
So 60% of mass shootings are carried out by pistols, yet banning pistols wouldn't reduce homocides? That sounds fishy.How about enforcing current laws PLUS new laws, such as prohibiting sale of semi automatics?I'm all for common sense gun laws, but I don't think that semiautomatics should be banned outright. However, I can see a case for limiting/banning high capacity magazines.
What's a use for semiautomatics that makes up for the risk?
The allowence of quick follow up shots in case the furst round didn't stopped the threats or in the case of multiple threats.
How many people can a gunner kill with a pistol or a shotgun and how many can he kill with a semi automatic rifle before he is neutralized/out of ammo?
Pistols ARE semi automatic and in fact, the third largest mass shooting was done with ten round magazines and pistols, 60% of all mass shootings are done with pistols, the Navy yard shooter used a shotgun.
Because it has never been observed in other countries. We have the highest number of guns in the world yet we don't even make the top ten list.To which top ten list are you referring? Mass shootings?
So 60% of mass shootings are carried out by pistols, yet banning pistols wouldn't reduce homocides? That sounds fishy.How about enforcing current laws PLUS new laws, such as prohibiting sale of semi automatics?I'm all for common sense gun laws, but I don't think that semiautomatics should be banned outright. However, I can see a case for limiting/banning high capacity magazines.
What's a use for semiautomatics that makes up for the risk?
The allowence of quick follow up shots in case the furst round didn't stopped the threats or in the case of multiple threats.
How many people can a gunner kill with a pistol or a shotgun and how many can he kill with a semi automatic rifle before he is neutralized/out of ammo?
Pistols ARE semi automatic and in fact, the third largest mass shooting was done with ten round magazines and pistols, 60% of all mass shootings are done with pistols, the Navy yard shooter used a shotgun.
Because it has never been observed in other countries. We have the highest number of guns in the world yet we don't even make the top ten list. In fact guns sales have gone up while violent crime (including murder) has gone down. I'm not saying it's because we have so many guns but I am saying that this goes against the myth of more guns equal more crime.
How about enforcing current laws PLUS new laws, such as prohibiting sale of semi automatics?I'm all for common sense gun laws, but I don't think that semiautomatics should be banned outright. However, I can see a case for limiting/banning high capacity magazines.
What's a use for semiautomatics that makes up for the risk?
The allowence of quick follow up shots in case the furst round didn't stopped the threats or in the case of multiple threats.
How many people can a gunner kill with a pistol or a shotgun and how many can he kill with a semi automatic rifle before he is neutralized/out of ammo?
Pistols ARE semi automatic and in fact, the third largest mass shooting was done with ten round magazines and pistols, 60% of all mass shootings are done with pistols, the Navy yard shooter used a shotgun.
Wait, what do you call the non-semi automatic handguns? My English is failing me.I think that's only single-action revolvers. All other handguns use the recoil to chamber a new bullet (and double-action revolvers chamber the bullet with the press of the trigger, before firing).
Wait, what do you call the non-semi automatic handguns? My English is failing me.I think that's only single-action revolvers. All other handguns use the recoil to chamber a new bullet (and double-action revolvers chamber the bullet with the press of the trigger, before firing).
Wait, what do you call the non-semi automatic handguns? My English is failing me.I think that's only single-action revolvers. All other handguns use the recoil to chamber a new bullet (and double-action revolvers chamber the bullet with the press of the trigger, before firing).
Wait, what do you call the non-semi automatic handguns? My English is failing me.I think that's only single-action revolvers. All other handguns use the recoil to chamber a new bullet (and double-action revolvers chamber the bullet with the press of the trigger, before firing).
Yeah, that's the one. Revolvers. Semi automatics and high capacity magazines aren't very useful for self defense and you can hunt just fine without them. Like seriously, who hunts with an AK-47? On the other hand, they make killing a lot of people much easier.
Yeah, exactely, for example against a few thousands angry, bad people at a country concert?!Wait, what do you call the non-semi automatic handguns? My English is failing me.I think that's only single-action revolvers. All other handguns use the recoil to chamber a new bullet (and double-action revolvers chamber the bullet with the press of the trigger, before firing).
Yeah, that's the one. Revolvers. Semi automatics and high capacity magazines aren't very useful for self defense and you can hunt just fine without them. Like seriously, who hunts with an AK-47? On the other hand, they make killing a lot of people much easier.
What if you have to defend yourself against a lot of badguys all at once?
DD asked for murder rates in general. However, statistically speaking, we don't even make the top ten in mass shootings either.Because it has never been observed in other countries. We have the highest number of guns in the world yet we don't even make the top ten list.To which top ten list are you referring? Mass shootings?
Yeah, exactely, for example against a few thousands angry, bad people at a country concert?!Wait, what do you call the non-semi automatic handguns? My English is failing me.I think that's only single-action revolvers. All other handguns use the recoil to chamber a new bullet (and double-action revolvers chamber the bullet with the press of the trigger, before firing).
Yeah, that's the one. Revolvers. Semi automatics and high capacity magazines aren't very useful for self defense and you can hunt just fine without them. Like seriously, who hunts with an AK-47? On the other hand, they make killing a lot of people much easier.
What if you have to defend yourself against a lot of badguys all at once?
This is like saying "We smoke more cigarretes than [insert third world country] but we live longer" and then, after someone discovers a cure to all heart diseases you say "cigarette sales have gone up, but life expectancy has also increased" and use that as an argument for how smoking doesn't reduce life expectancy.
Yeah you're right, let's respect all the people hurt at the vegas shooting by buying semi-automatic guns.Yeah, exactely, for example against a few thousands angry, bad people at a country concert?!Wait, what do you call the non-semi automatic handguns? My English is failing me.I think that's only single-action revolvers. All other handguns use the recoil to chamber a new bullet (and double-action revolvers chamber the bullet with the press of the trigger, before firing).
Yeah, that's the one. Revolvers. Semi automatics and high capacity magazines aren't very useful for self defense and you can hunt just fine without them. Like seriously, who hunts with an AK-47? On the other hand, they make killing a lot of people much easier.
What if you have to defend yourself against a lot of badguys all at once?
I don't think you or I should belittle the worst mass shooting in American history. If you want to discuss this important subject without standing on people's graves, I would be more than happy.
Wait, what do you call the non-semi automatic handguns? My English is failing me.I think that's only single-action revolvers. All other handguns use the recoil to chamber a new bullet (and double-action revolvers chamber the bullet with the press of the trigger, before firing).
Yeah, that's the one. Revolvers. Semi automatics and high capacity magazines aren't very useful for self defense and you can hunt just fine without them. Like seriously, who hunts with an AK-47? On the other hand, they make killing a lot of people much easier.
What if you have to defend yourself against a lot of badguys all at once?
This is like saying "We smoke more cigarretes than [insert third world country] but we live longer" and then, after someone discovers a cure to all heart diseases you say "cigarette sales have gone up, but life expectancy has also increased" and use that as an argument for how smoking doesn't reduce life expectancy.
That would only be true if guns have been proven to be a direct link to crime rates and have no beneficial purpose to it. Neither of which is true.
Yeah you're right, let's respect all the people hurt at the vegas shooting by buying semi-automatic guns.Yeah, exactely, for example against a few thousands angry, bad people at a country concert?!Wait, what do you call the non-semi automatic handguns? My English is failing me.I think that's only single-action revolvers. All other handguns use the recoil to chamber a new bullet (and double-action revolvers chamber the bullet with the press of the trigger, before firing).
Yeah, that's the one. Revolvers. Semi automatics and high capacity magazines aren't very useful for self defense and you can hunt just fine without them. Like seriously, who hunts with an AK-47? On the other hand, they make killing a lot of people much easier.
What if you have to defend yourself against a lot of badguys all at once?
I don't think you or I should belittle the worst mass shooting in American history. If you want to discuss this important subject without standing on people's graves, I would be more than happy.
...Your answers only proof your cognitive dissonance.
Wait, what do you call the non-semi automatic handguns? My English is failing me.I think that's only single-action revolvers. All other handguns use the recoil to chamber a new bullet (and double-action revolvers chamber the bullet with the press of the trigger, before firing).
Yeah, that's the one. Revolvers. Semi automatics and high capacity magazines aren't very useful for self defense and you can hunt just fine without them. Like seriously, who hunts with an AK-47? On the other hand, they make killing a lot of people much easier.
What if you have to defend yourself against a lot of badguys all at once?
How common are wild west shootouts in modern America?
...Your answers only proof your cognitive dissonance.
How about enforcing current laws PLUS new laws, such as prohibiting sale of semi automatics?I'm all for common sense gun laws, but I don't think that semiautomatics should be banned outright. However, I can see a case for limiting/banning high capacity magazines.
What's a use for semiautomatics that makes up for the risk?
The allowence of quick follow up shots in case the furst round didn't stopped the threats or in the case of multiple threats.
How many people can a gunner kill with a pistol or a shotgun and how many can he kill with a semi automatic rifle before he is neutralized/out of ammo?
Pistols ARE semi automatic and in fact, the third largest mass shooting was done with ten round magazines and pistols, 60% of all mass shootings are done with pistols, the Navy yard shooter used a shotgun.
Wait, what do you call the non-semi automatic handguns? My English is failing me.
As I said....Your answers only proof your cognitive dissonance.
At least I don't try to soap-box by pointing at dead childred, you sick f*ck. Are you sure your name is not Piers Morgan?
Wait, what do you call the non-semi automatic handguns? My English is failing me.I think that's only single-action revolvers. All other handguns use the recoil to chamber a new bullet (and double-action revolvers chamber the bullet with the press of the trigger, before firing).
Yeah, that's the one. Revolvers. Semi automatics and high capacity magazines aren't very useful for self defense and you can hunt just fine without them. Like seriously, who hunts with an AK-47? On the other hand, they make killing a lot of people much easier.
As I said....Your answers only proof your cognitive dissonance.
At least I don't try to soap-box by pointing at dead childred, you sick f*ck. Are you sure your name is not Piers Morgan?
Your answers only proof your cognitive dissonance.
This is like saying "We smoke more cigarretes than [insert third world country] but we live longer" and then, after someone discovers a cure to all heart diseases you say "cigarette sales have gone up, but life expectancy has also increased" and use that as an argument for how smoking doesn't reduce life expectancy.
That would only be true if guns have been proven to be a direct link to crime rates and have no beneficial purpose to it. Neither of which is true.
But they are proven to have a direct link to crime rates... And cigarettes still have a "beneficial purpose" to them...
Wait, what do you call the non-semi automatic handguns? My English is failing me.I think that's only single-action revolvers. All other handguns use the recoil to chamber a new bullet (and double-action revolvers chamber the bullet with the press of the trigger, before firing).
Yeah, that's the one. Revolvers. Semi automatics and high capacity magazines aren't very useful for self defense and you can hunt just fine without them. Like seriously, who hunts with an AK-47? On the other hand, they make killing a lot of people much easier.
What are you talking about? Pistols are perfect for self defense. Ifthe badguy wasn't stopped by the first round or you have multiple attackers then you have the ammo to sustain yourself in the fight. It's the same reason why police have the very same pistols ypu want to ban.
Wait, what do you call the non-semi automatic handguns? My English is failing me.I think that's only single-action revolvers. All other handguns use the recoil to chamber a new bullet (and double-action revolvers chamber the bullet with the press of the trigger, before firing).
Yeah, that's the one. Revolvers. Semi automatics and high capacity magazines aren't very useful for self defense and you can hunt just fine without them. Like seriously, who hunts with an AK-47? On the other hand, they make killing a lot of people much easier.
What are you talking about? Pistols are perfect for self defense. Ifthe badguy wasn't stopped by the first round or you have multiple attackers then you have the ammo to sustain yourself in the fight. It's the same reason why police have the very same pistols ypu want to ban.
Not to mention that, for the most part in most of the world, AK 47s are full auto, not semi.
Wait, what do you call the non-semi automatic handguns? My English is failing me.I think that's only single-action revolvers. All other handguns use the recoil to chamber a new bullet (and double-action revolvers chamber the bullet with the press of the trigger, before firing).
Yeah, that's the one. Revolvers. Semi automatics and high capacity magazines aren't very useful for self defense and you can hunt just fine without them. Like seriously, who hunts with an AK-47? On the other hand, they make killing a lot of people much easier.
What are you talking about? Pistols are perfect for self defense. Ifthe badguy wasn't stopped by the first round or you have multiple attackers then you have the ammo to sustain yourself in the fight. It's the same reason why police have the very same pistols ypu want to ban.
This is like saying "We smoke more cigarretes than [insert third world country] but we live longer" and then, after someone discovers a cure to all heart diseases you say "cigarette sales have gone up, but life expectancy has also increased" and use that as an argument for how smoking doesn't reduce life expectancy.
That would only be true if guns have been proven to be a direct link to crime rates and have no beneficial purpose to it. Neither of which is true.
But they are proven to have a direct link to crime rates... And cigarettes still have a "beneficial purpose" to them...
Please provide your "proof" and there is no benefit to cigarettes.
Wait, what do you call the non-semi automatic handguns? My English is failing me.I think that's only single-action revolvers. All other handguns use the recoil to chamber a new bullet (and double-action revolvers chamber the bullet with the press of the trigger, before firing).
Yeah, that's the one. Revolvers. Semi automatics and high capacity magazines aren't very useful for self defense and you can hunt just fine without them. Like seriously, who hunts with an AK-47? On the other hand, they make killing a lot of people much easier.
What are you talking about? Pistols are perfect for self defense. Ifthe badguy wasn't stopped by the first round or you have multiple attackers then you have the ammo to sustain yourself in the fight. It's the same reason why police have the very same pistols ypu want to ban.
Not to mention that, for the most part in most of the world, AK 47s are full auto, not semi.
But they're still allowed in the US, right?
Wait, what do you call the non-semi automatic handguns? My English is failing me.I think that's only single-action revolvers. All other handguns use the recoil to chamber a new bullet (and double-action revolvers chamber the bullet with the press of the trigger, before firing).
Yeah, that's the one. Revolvers. Semi automatics and high capacity magazines aren't very useful for self defense and you can hunt just fine without them. Like seriously, who hunts with an AK-47? On the other hand, they make killing a lot of people much easier.
What are you talking about? Pistols are perfect for self defense. Ifthe badguy wasn't stopped by the first round or you have multiple attackers then you have the ammo to sustain yourself in the fight. It's the same reason why police have the very same pistols ypu want to ban.
Not to mention that, for the most part in most of the world, AK 47s are full auto, not semi.
But they're still allowed in the US, right?
I am allowed to buy a semi, but not a full auto AK.
I don't want them banned from the police!
Every time there's a shooting we have the gun debate.It just a shame that the gun debate isn't happening in DC.
Wait, what do you call the non-semi automatic handguns? My English is failing me.I think that's only single-action revolvers. All other handguns use the recoil to chamber a new bullet (and double-action revolvers chamber the bullet with the press of the trigger, before firing).
Yeah, that's the one. Revolvers. Semi automatics and high capacity magazines aren't very useful for self defense and you can hunt just fine without them. Like seriously, who hunts with an AK-47? On the other hand, they make killing a lot of people much easier.
What are you talking about? Pistols are perfect for self defense. Ifthe badguy wasn't stopped by the first round or you have multiple attackers then you have the ammo to sustain yourself in the fight. It's the same reason why police have the very same pistols ypu want to ban.
I don't want them banned from the police! In the vast majority of self defense situations, a couple of shots at most are enough. Actually shots aren't even required in most of them, just the threat of the weapon is enough. Even in cases where there are many attackers, I can't think of many scenarios where they wouldn't just stop after someone is shot or even at the threat of a gun, unless they also have guns and you have a fucking western shootout. How many of these situations happen every year and how many people die in mass shootings?
The second amendment isn't about hunting.
This is like saying "We smoke more cigarretes than [insert third world country] but we live longer" and then, after someone discovers a cure to all heart diseases you say "cigarette sales have gone up, but life expectancy has also increased" and use that as an argument for how smoking doesn't reduce life expectancy.
That would only be true if guns have been proven to be a direct link to crime rates and have no beneficial purpose to it. Neither of which is true.
But they are proven to have a direct link to crime rates... And cigarettes still have a "beneficial purpose" to them...
Please provide your "proof" and there is no benefit to cigarettes.
Cigarettes have the same benefit as hunting. Also I don't see what the benefit of the cigarettes has to do with my argument.
The proof is that many crimes would be extremely hard to commit without guns, plus they facilitate "spontaneous" crimes that happen because someone was pissed or drunk or high.
Evidence? England has higher violent crime rate than we do.Almost impossible to compare - how violent crime is defined and recorded varies wildly from country to country.
People defend themselves with firearms at the least 100,00 times per yearGot any more made up stats?
Evidence? England has higher violent crime rate than we do.Almost impossible to compare - how violent crime is defined and recorded varies wildly from country to country.
However the USA does have an intentional homicide rate 5 times higher than the UK.QuotePeople defend themselves with firearms at the least 100,00 times per yearGot any more made up stats?
QuoteThe proof is that many crimes would be extremely hard to commit without guns, plus they facilitate "spontaneous" crimes that happen because someone was pissed or drunk or high.
Evidence? England has higher violent crime rate than we do.
How many people can a rampaging person kill with a knife vs with a gun?
I'd recommend a chainsaw for that kind of job. You could end up with repetitive strain injury, or something equally horrific, otherwise.
The problem is not the tool of choice, it's the the insane person behind the tool.
QuoteThe proof is that many crimes would be extremely hard to commit without guns, plus they facilitate "spontaneous" crimes that happen because someone was pissed or drunk or high.
Evidence? England has higher violent crime rate than we do.
1) It should be logically obvious how these crimes would be facilitated. How many people can a rampaging person kill with a knife vs with a gun? How easy is to "spontaneously" kill someone unarmed vs with a gun?
2) Source for England having a higher violent crime rate? Most of the sources I found is that it is actually much higher in the US.
Australia has people like dipstick and shifty, god help us if they ever got their hands on a computer with internet access.
Australia has people like dipstick and shifty, god help us if they ever got their hands on a computer with internet access.
I'm afraid it's far too late for that.
Your agenda here has been completely exposed. Why are you still allowed to post here with that account? You only supporters are Crutonius, Bullwinkle, Symptom, jroa and SCG.
Your operation has been exposed. I thought we were past this.
It's funny how no one can quote me lying tho hey.
They know we have the internet and they are scared, trust me.
I'll let you in on a little secret. The post quotation is actually a url also and you can click on it. It takes you back to the original post made.
You made some ridiculous ad hominem against myself and shifter and I responded in turn. I'm actually a very good shot with a rifle and better than average with a handgun.
However my weapon on choice is a computer and the battlefield has always been teh internets. You and your handlers and more scared of free speech than guns. You're not even shilling to take away all guns, just from "crazy people" which today could be substituted for someone who disagrees with the MSM news.
Lying would be insisting you said something you didn't. Like crutonius did concerning MaNaeSWolf. Click the post to see your original, it's still there and it really does work.
Look at what I did to your entire team here mainly with a smartphone and mobile data.
You and I both know which weapon you'd prefer us having.Quote from: Kevin Shipp CIA whistleblowerThey know we have the internet and they are scared, trust me.
You are right to be afraid.
You're not even shilling to take away all guns,When have I advocated for gun control?
Jeez scepti.Nope, just a modern day man trying to live the life I have with as little fuss as possible in terms of physical fights that gain no traction and become pointless energy wasting.
Totalitarian much?
If we cut off everyone's arms and legs imagine the drop in the crime rate.No need for that.
Think about it.
You do realize that was a gang, not just one person, right?QuoteThe proof is that many crimes would be extremely hard to commit without guns, plus they facilitate "spontaneous" crimes that happen because someone was pissed or drunk or high.
Evidence? England has higher violent crime rate than we do.
1) It should be logically obvious how these crimes would be facilitated. How many people can a rampaging person kill with a knife vs with a gun? How easy is to "spontaneously" kill someone unarmed vs with a gun?
A lot actually. In fact, the largest knife attack beated our largest mass shooting untill Orlando.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2570996/At-27-dead-109-injured-gang-knife-wielding-men-attack-train-station-China.html
And here's another attack.Good, compare that to Sandy Hook.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osaka_school_massacre
Quote2) Source for England having a higher violent crime rate? Most of the sources I found is that it is actually much higher in the US.
Here you go.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/neIs/uknews/law-and-order/7922755/England-has-worse-crime-rate-than-the-US-says-Civitas-study.html
They used this study which I'm not sure if it'll show up.
http://www.heuni.fi/Satellite?blobtable=MungoBlobs&blobcol=urldata&SSURIapptype=BlobServer&SSURIcontainer=Default&SSURIsession=false&blobheadervalue1=inline;%20filename=Hakapaino_final_07042010.pdf&SSURIsscontext=Satellite%20Server&blobwhere=1266335656647&blobheadername1=Content-Disposition&ssbinary=true&blobheader=application/pdf
Also the thing to consider is America is not a homogeneous nation with homogeneous gun laws. States with stricter gun laws actually constribute to higher crime rate.Actually that's a myth mostly based on cherry picking statistics.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=3s&v=IUUIGf4ll4g
If we cut off everyone's arms and legs imagine the drop in the crime rate.
Think about it.
If we cut off everyone's arms and legs imagine the drop in the crime rate.
Think about it.
When have I advocated for gun control? I am actually pro gun ownership.Interesting. I didn't realize that the two are mutually exclusive. Or is responsible gun ownership not a thing?
When have I advocated for gun control? I am actually pro gun ownership.Interesting. I didn't realize that the two are mutually exclusive. Or is responsible gun ownership not a thing?
When have I advocated for gun control? I am actually pro gun ownership.Interesting. I didn't realize that the two are mutually exclusive. Or is responsible gun ownership not a thing?
You do realize that was a gang, not just one person, right?QuoteThe proof is that many crimes would be extremely hard to commit without guns, plus they facilitate "spontaneous" crimes that happen because someone was pissed or drunk or high.
Evidence? England has higher violent crime rate than we do.
1) It should be logically obvious how these crimes would be facilitated. How many people can a rampaging person kill with a knife vs with a gun? How easy is to "spontaneously" kill someone unarmed vs with a gun?
A lot actually. In fact, the largest knife attack beated our largest mass shooting untill Orlando.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2570996/At-27-dead-109-injured-gang-knife-wielding-men-attack-train-station-China.html
And here's another attack.Good, compare that to Sandy Hook.[/quote]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osaka_school_massacre
QuoteQuote2) Source for England having a higher violent crime rate? Most of the sources I found is that it is actually much higher in the US.
Here you go.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/neIs/uknews/law-and-order/7922755/England-has-worse-crime-rate-than-the-US-says-Civitas-study.html
They used this study which I'm not sure if it'll show up.
http://www.heuni.fi/Satellite?blobtable=MungoBlobs&blobcol=urldata&SSURIapptype=BlobServer&SSURIcontainer=Default&SSURIsession=false&blobheadervalue1=inline;%20filename=Hakapaino_final_07042010.pdf&SSURIsscontext=Satellite%20Server&blobwhere=1266335656647&blobheadername1=Content-Disposition&ssbinary=true&blobheader=application/pdf
Neither show up. Meanwhile I found this which contains many sources: https://dispellingthemythukvsusguns.wordpress.com
QuoteAlso the thing to consider is America is not a homogeneous nation with homogeneous gun laws. States with stricter gun laws actually constribute to higher crime rate.Actually that's a myth mostly based on cherry picking statistics.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=3s&v=IUUIGf4ll4g
Either way. guns isn't the only way to commit mass murder.It's the "easiest" way. You can't get a truck inside closed or fenced spaces, and it's not very easy to get hold of a bomb.
QuoteAlso the thing to consider is America is not a homogeneous nation with homogeneous gun laws. States with stricter gun laws actually constribute to higher crime rate.Actually that's a myth mostly based on cherry picking statistics.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=3s&v=IUUIGf4ll4g
The simplest solution to any mass shootings or shootings at all is to not allow weapons that can fire projectiles, into the hands of those that do not require them in any normal walk of life.
Any person that has a requirement to carry a weapon like this, whether it's police, armed forces, hunters or whatever, should be under the control of massively strict law of use of them and the protection of those weapons so as not to enter into another persons possession without the relevant 100% guaranteed verification of who they are and their licence to own.
In England this is generally the case for the majority of weapons like this.
Where it can fail is in the sentences dished out to those that want to flout the laws and where punishments do not fit the crime of offences outside of the law with unauthorised use of those weapons, whether it's someone loaning that weapon to someone using that weapon to effect whatever crime or simply the crime of being in possession.
Does this take away people's rights?
Of course it does.
Anything done against a persons will is going against their rights but then again a persons will to murder or maim, whether with a gun, knife or improvised tool to hurt another will also require a law to punish, as with everything else designed to keep the population in check.
The issues arise when it's done unfairly.
However, where weapons are concerned in terms of licences to carry being flouted then the punishments should fit the crimes of doing that, including knives and tools designed to maim or used to maim.
The issues people have is, " yeah let them take all of our guns and weapons so we're left with nothing to fight with when they come to take us away and come to wipe us out or set up martial law."
Seriously?
In England they could do it anytime they want because as a rule, all we have to fight with is a weak voice which generally gets little done that those in power do not regard as necessary, so what do we do?
We simply get on with living the one life we have and trying to follow what laws we can in order to not fall foul of it and suffering the consequences.
Of course, the world is full of law abiding people who are wrongfully accused or incarcerated, whether it's by a deliberate act/corruption or by circumstantial evidence point the finger wrongly.
Out of the populations of the world we know, it's obviously going to be the nature of the beast, as is those in power lying to the people and also false flags played upon the people to effect change or gain favour, or whatever.
You can spend your life fighting it and being some kind of martyr if you want but make sure you're fighting for the right thing and make sure it's genuinely worthwhile and beneficial.
Allowing mass populations to carry weapons and especially guns is like being in the middle of a mass of hair triggers in the hands of ever growing insolent quick tempered young people who do not have the ability to slowly count to 10...not to mention those who are calculated to start with.
Any person that believes they should be allowed to carry a weapon in any way other than I stated should remember that you're advocating the use of that weapon to cause death at any given point, which is something that you are ill equipped to deal with in your general normal day to day running of your life and will not only destroy the life of your victim and the victims family but also your own and possibly your own family's well being from that point on.
Ban all weapons from the general public and make the laws ultra strict for those allowed to carry for their jobs and ensure the punishment fits the crime for those who flout that law.
Either way. guns isn't the only way to commit mass murder.It's the "easiest" way. You can't get a truck inside closed or fenced spaces, and it's not very easy to get hold of a bomb.
QuoteQuoteQuoteAlso the thing to consider is America is not a homogeneous nation with homogeneous gun laws. States with stricter gun laws actually constribute to higher crime rate.Actually that's a myth mostly based on cherry picking statistics.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=3s&v=IUUIGf4ll4g
Evidence?
Well when gun advocates make that claim, they usually reference a couple of exceptions, for instance Chicago, or Maryland, but if you look at the total, it paints a different picture. First of all you have to consider the fact that some states have passed very strict gun laws specifically because of the issues they were facing with crime, while others haven't felt the need to do so because of the low violent crime rates. "Strict" gun laws is something that is hard to gauge, so what I did was compile the number of provisions every state had to regulate firearms and find the mean, split them into two groups (strict laws, loose laws) and use this board: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_in_the_United_States_by_state
to determine the average murder rate in these states. Now I did fuck something up because I ended up with a couple more states in the "strict" category, but that shouldn't be that much of an issue. It's not a perfect way to gauge how strict the laws are, but it was the easiest way without making things too complex.
Here are the states of the "loose" category:
Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Georgia, Idaho, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Mississippi, Montana, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Dakota, Ohio, Missouri, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Wyoming.
Here are the "strict" states:
California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, District of Columbia, Florida, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Maryland, Massachusets, Michigan, Minnessota, Nebraska, Nevada, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Tennessee, Texas, Washington, West Virginia, Iowa.
The average murder rate for the loose states was 4.9 murders per 100,000 inhabitants:
(https://i.imgur.com/eJ4ZFWc.png)
The average murder rate for the strict states was 5 murders per 100,000 inhabitants:
(https://i.imgur.com/9dFBqcV.png)
So on first inspection, it seems like they do indeed have a very slightly higher murder rate (it's actually pretty close, but there is a difference). However, notice how there's a very extreme spike in the value chart of the strict states. That's DC. No idea why it has that high a murder rate, but it doesn't really fit very well with the rest of the chart. Dropping it gives a murder rate of 4.2 for the "strict" states, which is lower than the "loose" states. Now you may or may not accept that, but these results show that at best they're about equal, they definitely don't contribute to the higher crime rates. And if you look at the states with a murder rate above 8 per 100,000 inhabitants it's just 2 (Maryland and DC) which pass the mark for the "strict" states, compared to 5 (South Carolina, Missouri, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Alaska) for the looser ones.
While that sounds like a good idea, it would not work in the states for a few reasons. One being we are already flooded with guns, you simply can't round them up.If we cut off everyone's arms and legs imagine the drop in the crime rate.No need for that.
Think about it.
Imagine the drop in crime if people were not able to get away with using tools designed to kill en-masse.
Just take away the tit for tat potential of that and the make punishments fit the crimes from those that flout the laws.
No need to cut off arms and legs.
That struck me as pretty funny as well!The simplest solution to any mass shootings or shootings at all is to not allow weapons that can fire projectiles, into the hands of those that do not require them in any normal walk of life.
Any person that has a requirement to carry a weapon like this, whether it's police, armed forces, hunters or whatever, should be under the control of massively strict law of use of them and the protection of those weapons so as not to enter into another persons possession without the relevant 100% guaranteed verification of who they are and their licence to own.
In England this is generally the case for the majority of weapons like this.
Where it can fail is in the sentences dished out to those that want to flout the laws and where punishments do not fit the crime of offences outside of the law with unauthorised use of those weapons, whether it's someone loaning that weapon to someone using that weapon to effect whatever crime or simply the crime of being in possession.
Does this take away people's rights?
Of course it does.
Anything done against a persons will is going against their rights but then again a persons will to murder or maim, whether with a gun, knife or improvised tool to hurt another will also require a law to punish, as with everything else designed to keep the population in check.
The issues arise when it's done unfairly.
However, where weapons are concerned in terms of licences to carry being flouted then the punishments should fit the crimes of doing that, including knives and tools designed to maim or used to maim.
The issues people have is, " yeah let them take all of our guns and weapons so we're left with nothing to fight with when they come to take us away and come to wipe us out or set up martial law."
Seriously?
In England they could do it anytime they want because as a rule, all we have to fight with is a weak voice which generally gets little done that those in power do not regard as necessary, so what do we do?
We simply get on with living the one life we have and trying to follow what laws we can in order to not fall foul of it and suffering the consequences.
Of course, the world is full of law abiding people who are wrongfully accused or incarcerated, whether it's by a deliberate act/corruption or by circumstantial evidence point the finger wrongly.
Out of the populations of the world we know, it's obviously going to be the nature of the beast, as is those in power lying to the people and also false flags played upon the people to effect change or gain favour, or whatever.
You can spend your life fighting it and being some kind of martyr if you want but make sure you're fighting for the right thing and make sure it's genuinely worthwhile and beneficial.
Allowing mass populations to carry weapons and especially guns is like being in the middle of a mass of hair triggers in the hands of ever growing insolent quick tempered young people who do not have the ability to slowly count to 10...not to mention those who are calculated to start with.
Any person that believes they should be allowed to carry a weapon in any way other than I stated should remember that you're advocating the use of that weapon to cause death at any given point, which is something that you are ill equipped to deal with in your general normal day to day running of your life and will not only destroy the life of your victim and the victims family but also your own and possibly your own family's well being from that point on.
Ban all weapons from the general public and make the laws ultra strict for those allowed to carry for their jobs and ensure the punishment fits the crime for those who flout that law.
Let me get this straight, You believe the earth is flat right? If so then you believe the government can't be trust with the basic shape of the earth. And yet at the same time you trust these same government officials that lie to you about the shape of the earth supposedly, while at the same time you trust the same people to have a monopoly on gun ownership?
That struck me as pretty funny as well!The simplest solution to any mass shootings or shootings at all is to not allow weapons that can fire projectiles, into the hands of those that do not require them in any normal walk of life.
Any person that has a requirement to carry a weapon like this, whether it's police, armed forces, hunters or whatever, should be under the control of massively strict law of use of them and the protection of those weapons so as not to enter into another persons possession without the relevant 100% guaranteed verification of who they are and their licence to own.
In England this is generally the case for the majority of weapons like this.
Where it can fail is in the sentences dished out to those that want to flout the laws and where punishments do not fit the crime of offences outside of the law with unauthorised use of those weapons, whether it's someone loaning that weapon to someone using that weapon to effect whatever crime or simply the crime of being in possession.
Does this take away people's rights?
Of course it does.
Anything done against a persons will is going against their rights but then again a persons will to murder or maim, whether with a gun, knife or improvised tool to hurt another will also require a law to punish, as with everything else designed to keep the population in check.
The issues arise when it's done unfairly.
However, where weapons are concerned in terms of licences to carry being flouted then the punishments should fit the crimes of doing that, including knives and tools designed to maim or used to maim.
The issues people have is, " yeah let them take all of our guns and weapons so we're left with nothing to fight with when they come to take us away and come to wipe us out or set up martial law."
Seriously?
In England they could do it anytime they want because as a rule, all we have to fight with is a weak voice which generally gets little done that those in power do not regard as necessary, so what do we do?
We simply get on with living the one life we have and trying to follow what laws we can in order to not fall foul of it and suffering the consequences.
Of course, the world is full of law abiding people who are wrongfully accused or incarcerated, whether it's by a deliberate act/corruption or by circumstantial evidence point the finger wrongly.
Out of the populations of the world we know, it's obviously going to be the nature of the beast, as is those in power lying to the people and also false flags played upon the people to effect change or gain favour, or whatever.
You can spend your life fighting it and being some kind of martyr if you want but make sure you're fighting for the right thing and make sure it's genuinely worthwhile and beneficial.
Allowing mass populations to carry weapons and especially guns is like being in the middle of a mass of hair triggers in the hands of ever growing insolent quick tempered young people who do not have the ability to slowly count to 10...not to mention those who are calculated to start with.
Any person that believes they should be allowed to carry a weapon in any way other than I stated should remember that you're advocating the use of that weapon to cause death at any given point, which is something that you are ill equipped to deal with in your general normal day to day running of your life and will not only destroy the life of your victim and the victims family but also your own and possibly your own family's well being from that point on.
Ban all weapons from the general public and make the laws ultra strict for those allowed to carry for their jobs and ensure the punishment fits the crime for those who flout that law.
Let me get this straight, You believe the earth is flat right? If so then you believe the government can't be trust with the basic shape of the earth. And yet at the same time you trust these same government officials that lie to you about the shape of the earth supposedly, while at the same time you trust the same people to have a monopoly on gun ownership?
It's not particularly easy, finding the materials can be a challenge and it's quite possible that you'll be tracked.Either way. guns isn't the only way to commit mass murder.It's the "easiest" way. You can't get a truck inside closed or fenced spaces, and it's not very easy to get hold of a bomb.
it's actually quite easy to make a bomb. I haven't done it because I don't want the risk of being visited but you don't have to google for long to find out how to make a pipe bomb. And there are plenty of unprotected targets to which one can choose from. Basically, If they don't check your backpack or person, you can easily get in a bomb.
For one I did said violent crime.
For another, even states aren't homogeneous either. A lot of the crime and murder rates comes from the inner cities which are majorly democrat leaning.
And finally, a lot of the states you listed as loose gun law states have small populations. So a murder of 12 people in Iowa will have a greater affect of murders per 100,000 than a murder of 12 people in California.
Also as a side note, California has the most mass shootings than any other state.
As the saying goes...someone who gives up an ounce of freedom for security deserves neither.I'm not sure if that makes any sense. There's also a saying that your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins.
It's not particularly easy, finding the materials can be a challenge and it's quite possible that you'll be tracked.Either way. guns isn't the only way to commit mass murder.It's the "easiest" way. You can't get a truck inside closed or fenced spaces, and it's not very easy to get hold of a bomb.
it's actually quite easy to make a bomb. I haven't done it because I don't want the risk of being visited but you don't have to google for long to find out how to make a pipe bomb. And there are plenty of unprotected targets to which one can choose from. Basically, If they don't check your backpack or person, you can easily get in a bomb.
QuoteFor one I did said violent crime.
Yes, that's violent crime right there.
QuoteFor another, even states aren't homogeneous either. A lot of the crime and murder rates comes from the inner cities which are majorly democrat leaning.
I'm not quite sure what it is that you want, you claimed that states with stricter gun laws tend to have more violent crimes, and I showed it's not true, that's all there is to this.
QuoteAnd finally, a lot of the states you listed as loose gun law states have small populations. So a murder of 12 people in Iowa will have a greater affect of murders per 100,000 than a murder of 12 people in California.
Yeah, so? What does that prove? The smaller population also means that these are far less likely. And there are plenty of small states that are in the strict category. Besides, you say this next:
QuoteAlso as a side note, California has the most mass shootings than any other state.
First of all that completely defeats your previous point. Second isn't that sort of expected, given that California is way, way larger than most other states?
As the saying goes...someone who gives up an ounce of freedom for security deserves neither.I'm not sure if that makes any sense. There's also a saying that your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins.
It doesn't make sense because we all agree (I think) that there are certain things we shouldn't be free to do. You are not free to assault other people, to steal from them, to murder them, etc. We have agreed to give up the freedom to do those things in exchange for security.
It doesn't make sense because we all agree (I think) that there are certain things we shouldn't be free to do. You are not free to assault other people, to steal from them, to murder them, etc. We have agreed to give up the freedom to do those things in exchange for security.
Infringement on someone's basic civil rights has always been protected, since the foundation of this country. That is as far as it can go though. Any further you start your walk off the cliff.
As the saying goes...someone who gives up an ounce of freedom for security deserves neither.I've never heard that saying before. It sounds like nonsense, to be honest.
It doesn't make sense because we all agree (I think) that there are certain things we shouldn't be free to do. You are not free to assault other people, to steal from them, to murder them, etc. We have agreed to give up the freedom to do those things in exchange for security.
Infringement on someone's basic civil rights has always been protected, since the foundation of this country. That is as far as it can go though. Any further you start your walk off the cliff.
Good point. Even during the constitutional convention in 1787, slaves were only considered 3/5 of a person.It doesn't make sense because we all agree (I think) that there are certain things we shouldn't be free to do. You are not free to assault other people, to steal from them, to murder them, etc. We have agreed to give up the freedom to do those things in exchange for security.
Infringement on someone's basic civil rights has always been protected, since the foundation of this country. That is as far as it can go though. Any further you start your walk off the cliff.
I think you are forgetting about some pretty serious basic civil rights infringements that were carried out by our founders. The only people whose civil rights were protected since the foundation were white male landowners.
I think you are forgetting about some pretty serious basic civil rights infringements that were carried out by our founders. The only people whose civil rights were protected since the foundation were white male landowners.
I think you are forgetting about some pretty serious basic civil rights infringements that were carried out by our founders. The only people whose civil rights were protected since the foundation were white male landowners.
I cannot disagree with that. It did cross my mind when typing that, however didn't know if I wanted to go there or not.
Though even slaves had rights, however, unfortunately was not observed or enforced often.
Slavery is a shit piece of history for human beings. All races and genders have been enslaved at one point or the other. Still is happening in certain parts.
Also, remember here, some of the first slave owners were black themselves. Not that it really matters, just shows it is a human condition and not a race one.
I walk past Chinese massage parlours here and I feel so sorry for the'employees'slaves. Paid an illegal pittance well below minimum wage laws, some of them are forced to offer 'happy endings' to make additional $$$ for their slave masters (who shock horror is not a white male but a fellow Chinese/Asian)
If you go high enough up the corporate ladder, sure. But does the owner of a factory in China give a damn he drives some of his workers to suicide while only paying them a few dollars a day while he lives a life of luxury from their literal blood, sweat and tears?
Slavery and Master have just evolved to different words but mean much the sameEmployee to boss: You can't fire me. Slaves have to be sold.
Master = Employer
Slave = Employee
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/police-presence-at-marjory-stoneman-douglas-high-in-florida-live-updates/It sure has nothing to do with guns and gun control.
What the hell is going on with our high schools? This seems to happen a lot.
It's that liberal brainwashing the schools are doing nowadays.
The shooting has many things to it.https://www.cbsnews.com/news/police-presence-at-marjory-stoneman-douglas-high-in-florida-live-updates/It sure has nothing to do with guns and gun control.
What the hell is going on with our high schools? This seems to happen a lot.
I have often believed that social media has actually disconnected people from each other. The 'connection' we get from social media is faux.
It has devalued life to nothing more than a screen. On the inside, we still crave that real connection with people. It is who we are, but we have isolated ourselves without realising it. When you go out for dinner, to fill the time while waiting for your meal, you used to talk to the person you were with, laugh, make jokes, hold their hand etc. We don't do that anymore. We are glued to our screens in silence. We are social creatures but that is anything but social. It's living a life in solitary. We know how that mindfucks people up. This social media and screen time probably does a similar job on peoples psychiatric wellbeing
This kind of thing did not happen when I was in high school, and we had guns back then. This seems to be a snowflake generation epidemic.Well it sure does happen now and doesn't really happen where people don't have guns so...
You people really don't understand the newer generations. Very few people actually think they're victims or behave like snowflakes, or at least very little people compared to what's normal for teens. It's not a prevalent mentality, actually it's the opposite. They're more likely to feel ashamed, angry or unimportant. Do you know how common depression and high levels of stress are now? It's almost the default. Because the world is much more indifferent to individuals than it used to be, for many reasons, and it's so easy to get completely isolated. I guess the internet plays a role in this too. People get shut out of social contact, then they find other angry people anonymously expressing their anger on the internet, and it's so easy for things to get out of control. Then there's also how polite society now is and how it represses that anger. Things build up and get really dangerous over time.It's that liberal brainwashing the schools are doing nowadays.
If you tell everyone they are a victim, it's only natural that some will believe it and want to take action/revenge
I guess the internet plays a role in this too. People get shut out of social contact, then they find other angry people anonymously expressing their anger on the internet, and it's so easy for things to get out of control. Then there's also how polite society now is and how it represses that anger. Things build up and get really dangerous over time.
I guess the internet plays a role in this too. People get shut out of social contact, then they find other angry people anonymously expressing their anger on the internet, and it's so easy for things to get out of control. Then there's also how polite society now is and how it represses that anger. Things build up and get really dangerous over time.
I will say these two points contradict each other, shitposting is pretty therapeutic. Better than the social competition that facebook has become.
I kind of feel like the social media/smartphone thing is sometimes perceived as a bigger problem than it actually is. I always see the older generation complain the younger ones are on their phone 24/7. My own experience is, that if you are going out with friends, noone uses their phone (except for maybe showing a funny pic or checking what time it is). And this is the case for basically all people I know.
I kind of agree with DNO. I feel like expressing your anger about anything has become very hard to do in the real world - you never know whether someone films you, and the stuff might getting uploaded to the internet, which could destroy your later career. Also, the pc stuff has gotten kind of over-the-top sometimes. And if there is no outlet for anger, it might add up until all the anger bursts out at once (doesn't have to be as bad as a school shooting, but worse than if someone could express their anger in a normal way).The repression of anger isn't the main issue though. The issue is that the anger and the anxiety and the isolation exist and it's kind of complicated why that is. It's hard to pinpoint it on just one thing.
Also, I doubt that shitposting works therapeutic in the long run, I'd say at best it would work short term.Yeah I don't think it's really therapeutic for most people either...
I don't believe all the young people are special snowflakes. What I do see is that the ones that are snowflakes (ever generation has them) are finding that being a snowflake gets rewarded in some way on social media (check out tumblr, srsly).
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/15/us/florida-shooting.html
And he's one of Trump's "very fine people on both sides". Fucking great. We can just about expect a presidential pardon for him.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/15/us/florida-shooting.html
And he's one of Trump's "very fine people on both sides". Fucking great. We can just about expect a presidential pardon for him.
I think that would be political suicide. Trump has thrown many friends under the bus in the past to save himself, I doubt he will pardon this prick. But you could be right.... Trump is unpredictable right. Perhaps he will not only be pardoned but be given a job in the White House?
They're more likely to feel ashamed, angry or unimportant. Do you know how common depression and high levels of stress are now?
I have often believed that social media has actually disconnected people from each other. The 'connection' we get from social media is faux.
It has devalued life to nothing more than a screen.
I don't believe all the young people are special snowflakes. What I do see is that the ones that are snowflakes (ever generation has them) are finding that being a snowflake gets rewarded in some way on social media (check out tumblr, srsly).
Few people that I know use Tumblr, it's not a big thing. I'm sure there are many people who do use it, but I just don't know that many of them. The people that do use it are usually teenage girls checking out fanart and pictures of hot guys.
I don't believe all the young people are special snowflakes. What I do see is that the ones that are snowflakes (ever generation has them) are finding that being a snowflake gets rewarded in some way on social media (check out tumblr, srsly).
Few people that I know use Tumblr, it's not a big thing. I'm sure there are many people who do use it, but I just don't know that many of them. The people that do use it are usually teenage girls checking out fanart and pictures of hot guys.
According to the internet there are between 30 and 50 million users of Tumblr, but you are missing the point. How many users do you think Reddit has? That is snowflake headquarters for angry men (who do almost all of the mass shootings in the US). I'm not sure why you are so defensive about social media. This website is social media. We're all glued to the internet.
In other countries that don't have mass shootings, they kill lots of people in schools or subways with knives or machetes. In some countries, they just run over people with trucks, or explode bombs. Don't act like it is only the US that mass kills people.
In other countries that don't have mass shootings, they kill lots of people in schools or subways with knives or machetes. In some countries, they just run over people with trucks, or explode bombs. Don't act like it is only the US that mass kills people.
True, but the USA seems to have more than it's fair share. I'm asking why?
Maybe all the poisonous wildlife you have takes care of the would be mass murderers.
All the nature programs about Australia show the stuff that will kill you. Like some fucking spider that sits at the bottom of a swimming pool in a little bubble of air waiting for you to step on it and then DIE within minutes? Also, a lovely little octopus that will kill you. A poisonously cute duck billed beaver thing? WTF? lol
I wonder if you have the super divisive news media over there, like we do here? Also, how much money is in politics there, not the exact amount but do you have wealthy industries manipulating your politics the same way we do? They like us to be angry at each other so we're too busy shooting each other to pay attention to what they're doing.
All the nature programs about Australia show the stuff that will kill you. Like some fucking spider that sits at the bottom of a swimming pool in a little bubble of air waiting for you to step on it and then DIE within minutes? Also, a lovely little octopus that will kill you. A poisonously cute duck billed beaver thing? WTF? lol
I wonder if you have the super divisive news media over there, like we do here? Also, how much money is in politics there, not the exact amount but do you have wealthy industries manipulating your politics the same way we do? They like us to be angry at each other so we're too busy shooting each other to pay attention to what they're doing.
Australia is the most dangerous place in the world. If you go there, you will die a horrible death. I saw it on TV.:( ;) :( Sure, and I guess that you're so thankful that you have so many of those M15's over there - we're told that they are such safe weapons :( ;) :(.
I don't believe all the young people are special snowflakes. What I do see is that the ones that are snowflakes (ever generation has them) are finding that being a snowflake gets rewarded in some way on social media (check out tumblr, srsly).
Few people that I know use Tumblr, it's not a big thing. I'm sure there are many people who do use it, but I just don't know that many of them. The people that do use it are usually teenage girls checking out fanart and pictures of hot guys.
I don't believe all the young people are special snowflakes. What I do see is that the ones that are snowflakes (ever generation has them) are finding that being a snowflake gets rewarded in some way on social media (check out tumblr, srsly).
Few people that I know use Tumblr, it's not a big thing. I'm sure there are many people who do use it, but I just don't know that many of them. The people that do use it are usually teenage girls checking out fanart and pictures of hot guys.
Just checked that tumblr thing, first time on there in my life (probably). First few posts I see:
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Holy crap, that's about as close to virtual cancer as you can get.
You 'follow' someone on social media - you see only what they want to share with the world. It's not just images that get filtered, but their life. Young people cant discern the difference. As such, they grow up having unrealistic expectations and naturally, when real life doesn't play out the way they think, they get stuck, depressed, angry etcSee this is why I say you don't understand the most recent generations. None of these things are really true. About your first point: while it's true that the life of people they follow can work as a role model for their life, as it always used to be the case with celebrities, unless you are really really young or really really dumb you don't think it's actually how life is supposed to be. It's no different than how it's always been with celebrities.
Social media also doesn't teach people how to be rejected. No one can handle it these days. Also I remember in school, if you wanted to talk to people or your friends, you actually had to make an effort. And you talked to them much more often and had much more things to talk about.
People are actually 'friending' people they have never even met before. 'Back in my day' you wanted to make a friend, you actually approached a real human being (no, not arealhumanbeing lol). From early on rejection was wired into your brain.
This weeks winner in the category, "I can't believe how stupid this is"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/02/10/the-gop-is-making-it-easier-for-mentally-ill-people-to-buy-guns-they-have-a-point/?utm_term=.0a5c32fb33d1
Seriously, the Republicans passed a law removing restrictions on mentally ill people buying guns?
Hate to tell you guys, but that's seriously fucked up. Disclaimer: I'm pro gun, but, you've got to be kidding, I wouldn't give one to a nutter.
https://twitter.com/MaddowBlog/status/964332932751085568
This weeks winner in the category, "I can't believe how stupid this is"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/02/10/the-gop-is-making-it-easier-for-mentally-ill-people-to-buy-guns-they-have-a-point/?utm_term=.0a5c32fb33d1
Seriously, the Republicans passed a law removing restrictions on mentally ill people buying guns?
Hate to tell you guys, but that's seriously fucked up. Disclaimer: I'm pro gun, but, you've got to be kidding, I wouldn't give one to a nutter.
https://twitter.com/MaddowBlog/status/964332932751085568
Social Security beneficiaries with psychiatric disabilities who are assigned a money manager for their disability benefits would be reported to the FBI’s background check database as people ineligible to purchase firearms
This weeks winner in the category, "I can't believe how stupid this is"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/02/10/the-gop-is-making-it-easier-for-mentally-ill-people-to-buy-guns-they-have-a-point/?utm_term=.0a5c32fb33d1
Seriously, the Republicans passed a law removing restrictions on mentally ill people buying guns?
Hate to tell you guys, but that's seriously fucked up. Disclaimer: I'm pro gun, but, you've got to be kidding, I wouldn't give one to a nutter.
https://twitter.com/MaddowBlog/status/964332932751085568
So you think the SSA should be able to, without due process, strip citizens of their constitutional rights because someone can't balance their checkbook?QuoteSocial Security beneficiaries with psychiatric disabilities who are assigned a money manager for their disability benefits would be reported to the FBI’s background check database as people ineligible to purchase firearms
What next? Give the IRS power over free speech? Oh wait, obama already tried that.
Trump Derangement Syndrome at its finest.
Let's ignore the 5th and 14th amendments so we can deny people's 2nd amendment rights, for political reasons.
This weeks winner in the category, "I can't believe how stupid this is"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/02/10/the-gop-is-making-it-easier-for-mentally-ill-people-to-buy-guns-they-have-a-point/?utm_term=.0a5c32fb33d1
Seriously, the Republicans passed a law removing restrictions on mentally ill people buying guns?
Hate to tell you guys, but that's seriously fucked up. Disclaimer: I'm pro gun, but, you've got to be kidding, I wouldn't give one to a nutter.
https://twitter.com/MaddowBlog/status/964332932751085568
So you think the SSA should be able to, without due process, strip citizens of their constitutional rights because someone can't balance their checkbook?QuoteSocial Security beneficiaries with psychiatric disabilities who are assigned a money manager for their disability benefits would be reported to the FBI’s background check database as people ineligible to purchase firearms
What next? Give the IRS power over free speech? Oh wait, obama already tried that.
Trump Derangement Syndrome at its finest.
Let's ignore the 5th and 14th amendments so we can deny people's 2nd amendment rights, for political reasons.
And right on cue, a perfect example of what I'm talking about.
Oh no... Not the NAZI tard again...
If you have a psychiatric problem which prevents you from being able to manage your own money, such as having no memory of spending money, then yes, you should be denied the right to own a weapon.
I don't believe all the young people are special snowflakes. What I do see is that the ones that are snowflakes (ever generation has them) are finding that being a snowflake gets rewarded in some way on social media (check out tumblr, srsly).
Few people that I know use Tumblr, it's not a big thing. I'm sure there are many people who do use it, but I just don't know that many of them. The people that do use it are usually teenage girls checking out fanart and pictures of hot guys.
Just checked that tumblr thing, first time on there in my life (probably). First few posts I see:
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Holy crap, that's about as close to virtual cancer as you can get.
In the words of Douglass Adams, "Mostly Harmless"
In other unrelated news, the Australian Prime Minister announced a "Bonk Ban" apparently it's no longer ok for politicians to have sex with their office staff.
Yes, he is serious. Everyone else is sort of gob smacked that it needed to be said.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-15/turnbull-slams-joyce-affair-changes-to-ministerial-standards/9451792
Last I checked, lawyers and judges don't have medical degrees to accurately diagnose someone with a disease.If you have a psychiatric problem which prevents you from being able to manage your own money, such as having no memory of spending money, then yes, you should be denied the right to own a weapon.
I agree.
But that decision is made by the court system, not the SSA.
It's called due process
Last I checked, lawyers and judges don't have medical degrees to accurately diagnose someone with a disease.If you have a psychiatric problem which prevents you from being able to manage your own money, such as having no memory of spending money, then yes, you should be denied the right to own a weapon.
I agree.
But that decision is made by the court system, not the SSA.
It's called due process
Let the due process be handled on the back end. Allow them a process to clear their background check. But stop them from purchasing in the mean time.
If you can't get a gun RIGHT THIS SECOND your rights are being violated.
If you can't get a gun RIGHT THIS SECOND your rights are being violated.This generation and their instant gratification amirite?
My friend owns two pawnshops. Been in business for close to 27 years, good guy and he runs a clean business and treats his customers well (unusual for that business), also one of the largest pawnshops for dealing with firearms.I like that measure. I'm assuming he hasn't gotten into any sort of legal trouble over that?
Starting last year, if someone pawns a firearm he makes them go through a background check if they retrieve it. Alot of backlash has started from that.
My friend owns two pawnshops. Been in business for close to 27 years, good guy and he runs a clean business and treats his customers well (unusual for that business), also one of the largest pawnshops for dealing with firearms.I like that measure. I'm assuming he hasn't gotten into any sort of legal trouble over that?
Starting last year, if someone pawns a firearm he makes them go through a background check if they retrieve it. Alot of backlash has started from that.
My friend owns two pawnshops. Been in business for close to 27 years, good guy and he runs a clean business and treats his customers well (unusual for that business), also one of the largest pawnshops for dealing with firearms.I like that measure. I'm assuming he hasn't gotten into any sort of legal trouble over that?
Starting last year, if someone pawns a firearm he makes them go through a background check if they retrieve it. Alot of backlash has started from that.
I bet behind every schoolshooting there's also a very sad story of a lonely guy being bullied for years.
Yeah I'm a little curious about that. It definitely seems like a good thing but if he's not legally required to then it sounds like he's opening himself up to legal action.
But without coverage, then it's completely swept under the rug and #coverup crops up. It's almost a damned if you do damned if you don't situation. And who's to say no or little coverage won't encourage someone to go bigger and badder next time to see if they can get more coverage?
Simple solution, have the SSA give notice of the intent to list their name on the background check to prevent gun purchases. Give them a 15 day notice and allow them to petition the court to block that action if they wish to contest it. Boom, purchases blocked and due process rights given.
Instead of just automatically saying "nope, can't do that, can't possibly do anything like that." How about you look at it with common sense and say " you know, if a person can't mentally handle their money, maybe they shouldn't own a deadly weapon." I personally don't want someone with dementia or schizophrenia to own a weapon, I've seen dementia first hand, a person could kill someone and literally not have a recollection of it 30 seconds later.
Be part of the solution, not the roadblock that stops any sort of discussion to help find solutions.
How about this law:Congratulations!
If a kid goes on the rampage charge the parents with at least negligent homicide .
Let Mommy and Daddy realize they they could go to jail and perhaps they'll pay attention.
Looks like the FBI dropped the ball http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/16/alleged-florida-school-shooter-nikolas-cruz-was-reported-to-fbi-cops-school-but-warning-signs-missed.html
Oh no... Not the NAZI tard again...
Oh no.... not a Eurotard talking about freedom again...
Pearls cast before swine.
In a freedom ranking, I'd put murica on the second last place - just before north korea.
Do you ever wonder why people call you a moron both in real life and here?No I don't.
In a freedom ranking, I'd put murica on the second last place - just before north korea.
Do you ever wonder why people call you a moron both in real life and here?
Shh, don't tell'em. You spoil the fun :(In a freedom ranking, I'd put murica on the second last place - just before north korea.
Do you ever wonder why people call you a moron both in real life and here?
I'm pretty sure he's joking.
In a freedom ranking, I'd put murica on the second last place - just before north korea.
Is it remotely possible for you to say something that is either not ignorant, stupid or a lie?There isn't.
It must be a sad day to wake up and look on the mirror huh? That is if you can sum up the courage to even gaze in said mirror.I removed all mirrors, it makes it easier.
There isn't.
Saying that was kind of ignorant, right?
So I guess I'm at least pretty good at it ;)
I removed all mirrors, it makes it easier.
Shh, don't tell'em. You spoil the fun :(In a freedom ranking, I'd put murica on the second last place - just before north korea.
Do you ever wonder why people call you a moron both in real life and here?
I'm pretty sure he's joking.
Although, in terms of privacy, I'd probably be not too far off.
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It must be a sad day to wake up and look on the mirror huh? That is if you can sum up the courage to even gaze in said mirror.I removed all mirrors, it makes it easier.
LOL, what is it with BHS and mirrors? He's always asking people "How do you look at yourself in a mirror" I would have thought it was pretty obvious.
LOL, what is it with BHS and mirrors? He's always asking people "How do you look at yourself in a mirror" I would have thought it was pretty obvious.
I imagine you do not.
(https://i.imgur.com/f4uMS1P.gif)
Is this what you do in the mirror?
(https://i.imgur.com/f4uMS1P.gif)
Is this what you do in the mirror?
If only I was that hot and cool (there is zero sarcasm here)
I bet he hates mirrors because he's ugly af, and now he is - once again - projecting...
I'm not sure how posting a picture makes you better looking. But whatever.I bet he hates mirrors because he's ugly af, and now he is - once again - projecting...
I am not the one that was scared to post a picture up.
More stupidity from the dunning-kruger poster child.
I'm not sure how posting a picture makes you better looking. But whatever.
Women don't run from me if I approach them..no matter how many times your mother tells you it is normal they flee the scene when you approach, it is not.Well, I won at the evolution debate (you know, the thread where you chickened out), that's kind of satisfying 8)
Though in reality, you make fun of what people look like yet you are too much of a chicken shit to post a picture...as our Jewish friend said "We know he looks like a foot"...
Including all your other failures on this site (and life), you are literally a walking epic fail. Is there anything you win at? Surely you are not an accurate representation of a young Swede.
Well, I won at the evolution debate (you know, the thread where you chickened out), that's kind of satisfying 8)
Also, you're cute when angry ;)
Why'd I restart a discussion with someone that just accuses his opponent of 'copy pasta' once he sees himself losing? I have better things to do; you're not on my niveau and thus not worth the time, sorry.
Well, I won at the evolution debate (you know, the thread where you chickened out), that's kind of satisfying 8)
Also, you're cute when angry ;)
Getting disgusted with the thread is different than losing. Even evolution proponents were fed up with your copy pasta.. especially when it was obvious you had no idea what any of it meant. You would find something that sounded complex copy and paste it.
You can restart it if you wish to use your own words this time. Though you tried to the beginning of the thread before you went to copy pasta since you were getting kicked around so badly (or could barely complete a few sentences)..
I hope you are not an accurate representation of a young Swede...there are plenty of jokes out there about y'all, but this is getting ridiculous
Why'd I restart a discussion with someone that just accuses his opponent of 'copy pasta' once he sees himself losing? I have better things to do; you're not on my niveau and thus not worth the time, sorry.
It wasn't just myself that caught it...even proponents for evolution caught it and made it known, explained how you were not making any sense. It's not like these people even like me, so it wasn't for my benefit...it was for the fact you were sounded that stupid/ignorant (nothing out of the ordinary)..I don't think you have actually read the thread.
Though I had no doubt you would back out of an actual conversation...you can actually use copy pasta if you wish, just try and make it relevant this time, or at least make sense.There are questions still left open in the evolution thread. You can try to answer them any time.
How many kids need to get killed before America will wake up and do something about it?
Should an AR-15 be easier to get than a handgun? Three day waiting period for a handgun, but instant background check for an AR-15 (in Florida, don't know about other states).
Should an AR-15 be easier to get than a handgun? Three day waiting period for a handgun, but instant background check for an AR-15 (in Florida, don't know about other states).
Here, you can walk out of a store with an AR within 20 minutes and all you need is an ID. For a pistol, you must go to the sheriff's office to get a purchase permit first. It may take a week for the permit to be accepted, might be a month, and it might never be accepted.
By the way, I wonder if the waiting period has ever actual kept a crime from happening.
Here, you can walk out of a store with an AR within 20 minutes and all you need is an ID. For a pistol, you must go to the sheriff's office to get a purchase permit first. It may take a week for the permit to be accepted, might be a month, and it might never be accepted.
By the way, I wonder if the waiting period has ever actual kept a crime from happening.
What magical law would prevent something like this?Why do you think requiring a license to purchase or own firearms and a limited number of rounds unless you have a different special license is a "magical" law? Also if people aren't allowed to drink under 21 in your country I think it makes sense that they wouldn't be allowed to own guns either. I agree that it's more important to look at the real cause that leads people to commit these shootings, but that's not something you can just solve at the flip of a switch. You also have to take more immediate action.
What magical law would prevent something like this?Why do you think requiring a license to purchase or own firearms and a limited number of rounds unless you have a different special license is a "magical" law? Also if people aren't allowed to drink under 21 in your country I think it makes sense that they wouldn't be allowed to own guns either. I agree that it's more important to look at the real cause that leads people to commit these shootings, but that's not something you can just solve at the flip of a switch. You also have to take more immediate action.
Also I'm beginning to think Rayzor is right about these bots. I was reading something about Black Mirror from two months ago and I looked at the comment section of the article and there were a bunch of completely off topic comments, sometimes replies to actual on topic comments that were in no way related to them, promoting Trump and/or various alt right ideologies, and they all had a curiously high amount of likes.
We were told by Sarah Sanders after the shooting at the music festival "Now is not the right time to talk about gun control"
I am wondering if it's time yet?
Which existing gun laws are not being enforced?
Which existing gun laws are not being enforced?
Take the Vegas shooter. The navy or whatever failed to report his record so he was able to purchase those guns when by law he shouldn't have been able to.
There is a weird thing going on with people in the US. People are angry about everything.When looking at BHS, that certainly is true. Although I'm not sure if he's representative.
There is a weird thing going on with people in the US. People are angry about everything.
And how would that prevent me from purchasing a gun legally and shooting up a school or something?Because the licenses you need would ensure you're not the kind of person who shoots up schools. The person who did this wouldn't have been able to buy guns, or at least gain access to that much ammunition. Also I think these riffles should just be banned altogether.
Here, you can walk out of a store with an AR within 20 minutes and all you need is an ID. For a pistol, you must go to the sheriff's office to get a purchase permit first. It may take a week for the permit to be accepted, might be a month, and it might never be accepted.
By the way, I wonder if the waiting period has ever actual kept a crime from happening.
I'd be surprised if it didn't. A lot of bad decisions are done by people with poor impulse control. When you force then to take some time to think about it they'll usually do something less stupid.
And how would that prevent me from purchasing a gun legally and shooting up a school or something?Because the licenses you need would ensure you're not the kind of person who shoots up schools. The person who did this wouldn't have been able to buy guns, or at least gain access to that much ammunition. Also I think these riffles should just be banned altogether.
And how would that prevent me from purchasing a gun legally and shooting up a school or something?Because the licenses you need would ensure you're not the kind of person who shoots up schools. The person who did this wouldn't have been able to buy guns, or at least gain access to that much ammunition. Also I think these riffles should just be banned altogether.
I have no criminal record, no history of mental illness, no social media posts alluding to anything(besides this one), so what's to stop me from buying a handgun and 15 bullets and going into a school and shooting 15 people?
And how would that prevent me from purchasing a gun legally and shooting up a school or something?Because the licenses you need would ensure you're not the kind of person who shoots up schools. The person who did this wouldn't have been able to buy guns, or at least gain access to that much ammunition. Also I think these riffles should just be banned altogether.
I have no criminal record, no history of mental illness, no social media posts alluding to anything(besides this one), so what's to stop me from buying a handgun and 15 bullets and going into a school and shooting 15 people?
Should an AR-15 be easier to get than a handgun? Three day waiting period for a handgun, but instant background check for an AR-15 (in Florida, don't know about other states).Here, you can walk out of a store with an AR within 20 minutes and all you need is an ID. For a pistol, you must go to the sheriff's office to get a purchase permit first. It may take a week for the permit to be accepted, might be a month, and it might never be accepted.
By the way, I wonder if the waiting period has ever actual kept a crime from happening.
Do they have to be registered or can you purchase guns from trade shows (or in the parking lot of one) legally?
And how would that prevent me from purchasing a gun legally and shooting up a school or something?Because the licenses you need would ensure you're not the kind of person who shoots up schools. The person who did this wouldn't have been able to buy guns, or at least gain access to that much ammunition. Also I think these riffles should just be banned altogether.
I have no criminal record, no history of mental illness, no social media posts alluding to anything(besides this one), so what's to stop me from buying a handgun and 15 bullets and going into a school and shooting 15 people?
Your sanity and reason. Most people are normal. But lets say you had a schizophrenia, a violent criminal record and had social media posts saying you wanted to kill everyone - should you be able to walk in and buy a gun? Or would you say that violates the constitution?
Anyway, what if the author of that 2nd amendment didn't actually mean high powered assault rifles and actual bear arms instead? :)
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3D printing is going to render gun control obsolete. Anyone will download any gun they want and print it off. God help us!
And how would that prevent me from purchasing a gun legally and shooting up a school or something?Because the licenses you need would ensure you're not the kind of person who shoots up schools. The person who did this wouldn't have been able to buy guns, or at least gain access to that much ammunition. Also I think these riffles should just be banned altogether.
I have no criminal record, no history of mental illness, no social media posts alluding to anything(besides this one), so what's to stop me from buying a handgun and 15 bullets and going into a school and shooting 15 people?
Your sanity and reason. Most people are normal. But lets say you had a schizophrenia, a violent criminal record and had social media posts saying you wanted to kill everyone - should you be able to walk in and buy a gun? Or would you say that violates the constitution?
Anyway, what if the author of that 2nd amendment didn't actually mean high powered assault rifles and actual bear arms instead? :)
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3D printing is going to render gun control obsolete. Anyone will download any gun they want and print it off. God help us!
I have a 3d printer. I've taken a look at the plans but I've never tried printing it and using it. I'm struggling to see the usefulness of this particular firearm. It takes a few metal parts so it can't pass a metal detector. Its single shot, as in one shot and the plastic will melt. It has terrible accuracy.
I guess it would be good for terrorist who are really broke.
3D printing is going to render gun control obsolete. Anyone will download any gun they want and print it off. God help us!
I have a 3d printer. I've taken a look at the plans but I've never tried printing it and using it. I'm struggling to see the usefulness of this particular firearm. It takes a few metal parts so it can't pass a metal detector. Its single shot, as in one shot and the plastic will melt. It has terrible accuracy.
I guess it would be good for terrorist who are really broke.
3D printing is going to render gun control obsolete. Anyone will download any gun they want and print it off. God help us!
I have a 3d printer. I've taken a look at the plans but I've never tried printing it and using it. I'm struggling to see the usefulness of this particular firearm. It takes a few metal parts so it can't pass a metal detector. Its single shot, as in one shot and the plastic will melt. It has terrible accuracy.
I guess it would be good for terrorist who are really broke.
And how would that prevent me from purchasing a gun legally and shooting up a school or something?Because the licenses you need would ensure you're not the kind of person who shoots up schools. The person who did this wouldn't have been able to buy guns, or at least gain access to that much ammunition. Also I think these riffles should just be banned altogether.
I have no criminal record, no history of mental illness, no social media posts alluding to anything(besides this one), so what's to stop me from buying a handgun and 15 bullets and going into a school and shooting 15 people?
Your sanity and reason. Most people are normal. But lets say you had a schizophrenia, a violent criminal record and had social media posts saying you wanted to kill everyone - should you be able to walk in and buy a gun? Or would you say that violates the constitution?
Anyway, what if the author of that 2nd amendment didn't actually mean high powered assault rifles and actual bear arms instead? :)
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AR 15s are not high powered assault rifles. They fire intermediate cartridges (5.56 mm or .223 cal. or both.)
After the most recent shooting, all of the news retards kept saying he used a high caliber or high poser rifle and had lots of clips. 5.56 is not high caliber, and I could imagine him loading a magazine over and over with stripper clips, lol.
And how would that prevent me from purchasing a gun legally and shooting up a school or something?Because the licenses you need would ensure you're not the kind of person who shoots up schools. The person who did this wouldn't have been able to buy guns, or at least gain access to that much ammunition. Also I think these riffles should just be banned altogether.
I have no criminal record, no history of mental illness, no social media posts alluding to anything(besides this one), so what's to stop me from buying a handgun and 15 bullets and going into a school and shooting 15 people?
Your sanity and reason. Most people are normal. But lets say you had a schizophrenia, a violent criminal record and had social media posts saying you wanted to kill everyone - should you be able to walk in and buy a gun? Or would you say that violates the constitution?
Anyway, what if the author of that 2nd amendment didn't actually mean high powered assault rifles and actual bear arms instead? :)
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AR 15s are not high powered assault rifles. They fire intermediate cartridges (5.56 mm or .223 cal. or both.)
After the most recent shooting, all of the news retards kept saying he used a high caliber or high poser rifle and had lots of clips. 5.56 is not high caliber, and I could imagine him loading a magazine over and over with stripper clips, lol.
I am not talking about the weapon used in this instance specifically, but the firepower available to almost anyone without question because of this 2nd amendment is unbelievably ridiculous.
You have people blowing each other away in traffic because someone may have accidently cut someone else off. We are abhorred at the fact 17 people died in the school that day. More than double that is murdered by a gun every single day. It is out of control
Thank God, Australia came to its senses before we crossed a point of no return. It's too late for America now. All you can do is manage the problem with more token background checks. I'm not sure how you fix your culture. Maybe not giving these losers notoriety for a start.
Which mass shooting would have been prevented if the shooter had to wait 3 days?
Nikolas Cruz would have had to wait a couple years to buy an AR-15 if they were regulated the same as handguns.
Which mass shooting had the shooter impulse buy the firearm within 3 days of the shooting?
Nikolas Cruz would have had to wait a couple years to buy an AR-15 if they were regulated the same as handguns.
Then he would have used his pistols and other guns to do it.
Nikolas Cruz would have had to wait a couple years to buy an AR-15 if they were regulated the same as handguns.
Then he would have used his pistols and other guns to do it.
How many pistols and other guns did he have?
Why would it have to be exactly the same as the Brady Bill? Are you sure there's nothing we can do to try to stop this? How about not allowing sales of guns to people on the terrorist watch list? Is that out of bounds, too?
I agree that they should allow people to contest being on the watch list, but it doesn't seem like an impossible thing to figure out.
I wonder if the FBI could put us all on a watch list of sorts for some of the shit we post in the AR boards lol
Hillary Clinton
@HillaryClinton
This week we lost 17 Americans in Parkland - the deadliest school shooting since Sandy Hook in 2012. Since then, 438 people have been shot and 138 killed in over 230 school shootings. That’s 5 school shootings every month, 16 of which classify as “mass shootings.”
“Since then, 438 people have been shot and 138 killed in over 230 school shootings. That’s 5 school shootings every month, 16 of which classify as ‘mass shootings.’”
Note that last sentence, which may seem a bit ambiguous or confusing to you.
As The Washington Post notes, that statistic is from Everytown for Gun Safety, a heavily astroturfed, left-wing, gun control group. And its statistics on school shootings were so misleading that even the WaPo — hardly a den of covert NRA activity — wrote an article about the group’s statistics bluntly titled, “No, there haven’t been 18 school shootings in 2018. That number is flat wrong.”
“The figure originated with Everytown for Gun Safety, a nonprofit group, co-founded by Michael Bloomberg, that works to prevent gun violence and is most famous for its running tally of school shootings,” the newspaper reported.
I agree that they should allow people to contest being on the watch list, but it doesn't seem like an impossible thing to figure out.
The problem is that there is no due process for being put on that list. You are not suspected of commiting a crime and you are not suspected of planning to commit a crime. You are only a suspected of being a suspicious person. We can't take rights away from people on hunches.
Well, apparently he had 7 other rifles, but the articles I've found doesn't say what kind.
I agree that they should allow people to contest being on the watch list, but it doesn't seem like an impossible thing to figure out.
The problem is that there is no due process for being put on that list. You are not suspected of commiting a crime and you are not suspected of planning to commit a crime. You are only a suspected of being a suspicious person. We can't take rights away from people on hunches.
I agree the watch list is bad right now, but even if we weren't talking about guns that watch list thing is worth fixing. We need to fix things and not give up on them.
Why can't we get our fearless leaders to do anything worthwhile.
This rifle shoots the exact same bullet as the AR 15. If is not black and scarry looking with a collapsible stock and pistol grips, but it has a comparable rate of fire and magazines with the same number of rounds. Where do we stop with the restrictions?
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Did Obama give a shit about the kids at Sandy Hook? Nope.
Did Obama give a shit about the kids at Sandy Hook? Nope.
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Did Obama give a shit about the kids at Sandy Hook? Nope.
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https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/26/the-presidents-devotional_n_4158485.html (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/26/the-presidents-devotional_n_4158485.html)
Sat alone in a classroom with a photographer to document his tears.
Sat alone in a classroom with a photographer to document his tears.
After talking to the parents for hours.
Imagine a husband coming home to find Heiwa banging his wife....
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I know we ain't supposed to talk about Fight Club, but maybe these mass shootings are what happens when people get very very pissed off and feel there's nothing they can do about it.
Just gonna post this video again, we can all laugh it off and pretend like nothing is wrong but deep down we know something is fundamentally wrong with the world. We just can't quite put our finger on it.Lol, 25mins of robo-voice. My ass.
The people that actually try and address real issues instead of this stale bread and circus which has become our daily lives are ridiculed and called conspiracy nutters or worse by people who really, truly don't care about any of us as humans and never ever will.
Just gonna post this video againHere's a thought: why don't you try expressing your own ideas in words, rather than linking some embarrassing video?
Plus most of this website is bots.Right. Of course. Yet here you are.
Stop watchingfixedT.V.youtube
Think for yourself.
I don't care if you don't watch it.Well, don't link it and tell people to watch it then.
I don't care if you don't watch it. If I raised any points I would just be ridiculed by bots, and that gets boring for me.If you don't have the balls you can pm it to me. Then no bot will ridicule you (except if you think that I'm a bot, but we both know I'm not, because no bot could ever be that smart).
You guys don't like discussion of real issues here, we broke your playground a little. Feelsgoodman.
t. BotThat it?
I see Infowars are up to their usual journalistic standards. https://www.infowars.com/report-florida-shooter-inspired-by-isis-allahu-akbar/
Twitter response to infowars. https://twitter.com/RespectableLaw/status/964187511017869316
Meanwhile, the troll farm, and fake news sites are having a field day... https://www.wired.com/story/pro-gun-russian-bots-flood-twitter-after-parkland-shooting/
This post is adding nothing to the conversation.
I just think the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives is an awesome combo.
This post is adding nothing to the conversation.
I just think the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives is an awesome combo.
I see Infowars are up to their usual journalistic standards. https://www.infowars.com/report-florida-shooter-inspired-by-isis-allahu-akbar/
Twitter response to infowars. https://twitter.com/RespectableLaw/status/964187511017869316
Meanwhile, the troll farm, and fake news sites are having a field day... https://www.wired.com/story/pro-gun-russian-bots-flood-twitter-after-parkland-shooting/
Rayzor is an expert on every conspiracy theory and conspiracy forum on the entire internet, bar none, ever.
This does not make it look like an AI algorithm designed to patrol these places, spamming disinfo and wasting peoples time on as many as possible, oh no it does not!
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The way your media is coaching these kids is disgusting. It really is. Parading them around like animals.
"Never let a good tragedy go to waste."
The way your media is coaching these kids is disgusting. It really is. Parading them around like animals.
"Never let a good tragedy go to waste."
You just want their guns. It's been about that for so long now. These kids are scared and vulnerable currently and the American media is manipulating them into pushing the Intelligence agencies agenda. There's no other word for that except evil.
There's a quote I like from a movie it's something like this.
"What usually happens when people without guns stand up to people with guns?"
The way your media is coaching these kids is disgusting. It really is. Parading them around like animals.
"Never let a good tragedy go to waste."
I....
Hold on. I think you might be onto something. The gun control debate takes a lot of research and knowledge of the situation. A lot of work to get a picture of what's really going on.
Or you could just save a ton of work and claim it's a conspiracy.
Wow! Let me try; The so called "farmer" in South Africa are just crisis actors hired to outrage "race realists" around the world to control them.
Awesome. That was so much easier than taking the time to study a country's history! Thanks D1!.
The way your media is coaching these kids is disgusting. It really is. Parading them around like animals.
"Never let a good tragedy go to waste."
I....
Hold on. I think you might be onto something. The gun control debate takes a lot of research and knowledge of the situation. A lot of work to get a picture of what's really going on.
Or you could just save a ton of work and claim it's a conspiracy.
Wow! Let me try; The so called "farmer" in South Africa are just crisis actors hired to outrage "race realists" around the world to control them.
Awesome. That was so much easier than taking the time to study a country's history! Thanks D1!.
Best
Strawman
Ever
The way your media is coaching these kids is disgusting. It really is. Parading them around like animals.
"Never let a good tragedy go to waste."
I....
Hold on. I think you might be onto something. The gun control debate takes a lot of research and knowledge of the situation. A lot of work to get a picture of what's really going on.
Or you could just save a ton of work and claim it's a conspiracy.
Wow! Let me try; The so called "farmer" in South Africa are just crisis actors hired to outrage "race realists" around the world to control them.
Awesome. That was so much easier than taking the time to study a country's history! Thanks D1!.
Best
Strawman
Ever
The way your media is coaching these kids is disgusting. It really is. Parading them around like animals.
"Never let a good tragedy go to waste."
I....
Hold on. I think you might be onto something. The gun control debate takes a lot of research and knowledge of the situation. A lot of work to get a picture of what's really going on.
Or you could just save a ton of work and claim it's a conspiracy.
Wow! Let me try; The so called "farmer" in South Africa are just crisis actors hired to outrage "race realists" around the world to control them.
Awesome. That was so much easier than taking the time to study a country's history! Thanks D1!.
Best
Strawman
Ever
LOL, you just called your own argument a strawman, classic d1
You are both disgusting human beings, you really are.
Why were you both so quick to say "conspiracy" I didn't say anything except these kids are being used to push a political agenda which is also disgusting.
Now I get why you're both giddy.
Nevermind.
You are both disgusting human beings, you really are.
Why were you both so quick to say "conspiracy" I didn't say anything except these kids are being used to push a political agenda which is also disgusting.
Now I get why you're both giddy.
Nevermind.
The way your media is coaching these kids is disgusting. It really is. Parading them around like animals.
"Never let a good tragedy go to waste."
I....
Hold on. I think you might be onto something. The gun control debate takes a lot of research and knowledge of the situation. A lot of work to get a picture of what's really going on.
Or you could just save a ton of work and claim it's a conspiracy.
Wow! Let me try; The so called "farmer" in South Africa are just crisis actors hired to outrage "race realists" around the world to control them.
Awesome. That was so much easier than taking the time to study a country's history! Thanks D1!.
Best
Strawman
Ever
LOL, you just called your own argument a strawman, classic d1
You know you don't actually make sense right?
The way your media is coaching these kids is disgusting. It really is. Parading them around like animals.So there is no way these teens have been seeing years of school shootings and years of nothing being done afterward, and are simply tired of "thoughts and prayers" but little else? You're completely dismissing them as nothing more than puppets incapable of free thought. THAT'S a pretty abhorrent stance.
"Never let a good tragedy go to waste."
The way your media is coaching these kids is disgusting. It really is. Parading them around like animals.I don't think they really require any coaching. A lot of them were probably already of that opinion, after what happened to them they wouldn't need much more convincing.
"Never let a good tragedy go to waste."
The way your media is coaching these kids is disgusting. It really is. Parading them around like animals.
"Never let a good tragedy go to waste."
I....
Hold on. I think you might be onto something. The gun control debate takes a lot of research and knowledge of the situation. A lot of work to get a picture of what's really going on.
Or you could just save a ton of work and claim it's a conspiracy.
Wow! Let me try; The so called "farmer" in South Africa are just crisis actors hired to outrage "race realists" around the world to control them.
Awesome. That was so much easier than taking the time to study a country's history! Thanks D1!.
Best
Strawman
Ever
LOL, you just called your own argument a strawman, classic d1
You know you don't actually make sense right?
You know you are so dumb sometimes it's almost painful. But I'll get over it.
They're being paraded around the country with the Media giving them all their coverage. I don't think it's a conspiracy at this point.
The FBI is willing to do anything it can to discredit Trump before the truth of the Russian issue comes out and this is an example.
I think using survivors to push an agenda days after the event is disgusting but I care more about the people than "winning."
In that regard we will always be at a disadvantage to you.
The way your media is coaching these kids is disgusting. It really is. Parading them around like animals.
"Never let a good tragedy go to waste."
I....
Hold on. I think you might be onto something. The gun control debate takes a lot of research and knowledge of the situation. A lot of work to get a picture of what's really going on.
Or you could just save a ton of work and claim it's a conspiracy.
Wow! Let me try; The so called "farmer" in South Africa are just crisis actors hired to outrage "race realists" around the world to control them.
Awesome. That was so much easier than taking the time to study a country's history! Thanks D1!.
Best
Strawman
Ever
LOL, you just called your own argument a strawman, classic d1
You know you don't actually make sense right?
You know you are so dumb sometimes it's almost painful. But I'll get over it.
You know you go from calling me smart to dumb depending on what you are trying to achieve?
Pick a stance and stick to it. Crutonius made a strawman argument and I pointed it out, you then claimed that my argument was the same as Crutonius'. Anyone can see this is incorrect. You're all in on a ten high card mate.
They're being paraded around the country with the Media giving them all their coverage. I don't think it's a conspiracy at this point.The media are giving them a platform. I'll give you the fact that CNN and the likes are the ones providing that platform because their views align, but that's a far stretch to say they are being manipulated and used as propaganda.
The FBI is willing to do anything it can to discredit Trump before the truth of the Russian issue comes out and this is an example.
I think using survivors to push an agenda days after the event is disgusting but I care more about the people than "winning."
In that regard we will always be at a disadvantage to you.
What do you think will help duck?
It's fine to be upset, the shooting upset me. I'm not sure how this rally agaisnt Trump will save kids lives.
I wish we could do something about all these lobbyists. Even if they promote something I agree with, they have too much power. Their interests shouldn't be put above the good of the country just because they have the money to buy politicians.
I am for raising the age to 21 for semi-autos. I am not sure how much good it will do, but it is better than doing nothing.
I agree. Laws are for shit. Like seriously, every criminal ever disobeyed the law... that's 100% proof that laws are useless. We should abandon all laws. That'd even drop the crime rate by 100% - awesome!I am for raising the age to 21 for semi-autos. I am not sure how much good it will do, but it is better than doing nothing.
Not sure either. The people doing the mass killings aren't interested in the law. Just steal Mum or Dads gun - even kill them for it
In this latest instance, it might have helped. The shooter was 19 and purchased the weapons himself.I am for raising the age to 21 for semi-autos. I am not sure how much good it will do, but it is better than doing nothing.
Not sure either. The people doing the mass killings aren't interested in the law. Just steal Mum or Dads gun - even kill them for it
In this latest instance, it might have helped. The shooter was 19 and purchased the weapons himself.I am for raising the age to 21 for semi-autos. I am not sure how much good it will do, but it is better than doing nothing.
Not sure either. The people doing the mass killings aren't interested in the law. Just steal Mum or Dads gun - even kill them for it
I wish we could do something about all these lobbyists. Even if they promote something I agree with, they have too much power. Their interests shouldn't be put above the good of the country just because they have the money to buy politicians.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/02/22/armed-sheriffs-deputy-stayed-outside-florida-school-while-mass-killing-took-place/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_pn-fladeputy-625pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.a6977519f255
You had one job. They might as well have put a scarecrow in a police uniform.
FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. — The armed school resource officer assigned to protect students at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School took a defensive position outside the school and did not enter the building while the shooter was killing students and teachers inside with an AR-15 assault-style rifle, Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel said Thursday.
Israel said he suspended School Resource Deputy Scot Peterson on Thursday after seeing a video from the Parkland, Fla., school that showed Peterson outside the school building where the shooter was inside and attacking.
“What I saw was a deputy arrive at the west side of Building 12, take up a position, and never went in,” Israel said.
He said Peterson was armed, and was in uniform, and should have gone into the building during the 6-minute event, which left 17 people, most of them teenagers, dead. When asked what the deputy should have done, Israel said: “Went in and addressed the killer. Killed the killer.”
[ What police are trained to do during active shooter incidents: Find the threat ]
Peterson, 54, a resource officer at the school since 2009, resigned after Israel suspended him. Israel said two other officers have been placed on a restricted assignment pending an internal investigation relating the school shooting.
“They could have done more, they should have done more,” Israel said. “It’s a fluid investigation. They are on restrictive duty.”
Attempts to reach Peterson on Thursday were unsuccessful.
Israel said that Peterson was in an office dealing with a school-related issue when the first shots were fired on Feb. 14 and that he got on his radio and then moved toward the outside of the building where the shooting was taking place. When asked what he is seen doing on the video, Israel replied: “Nothing.”
“I think he took up a position where it looked like he could see the western-most entry into the building and stayed where he was,” Israel said. “Never went in.”
[ The FBI said it failed to act on a tip about the suspected Florida school shooter’s potential for violence ]
Israel said he “clearly” knew there was a shooter inside, something that made him “sick to my stomach.”
“There are no words,” Israel said. “These families lost their children. We lost coaches. I’ve been to the funerals. I’ve been to the homes where they’re sitting shiva. I’ve been to the vigils. It’s just, there are no words.”
The revelation about the deputy comes as law enforcement officials and authorities have faced intense criticism for whether they missed previous chances to prevent the massacre. The FBI was warned last month about the shooter’s potential for violence at a school, but failed to investigate that tip, while school officials, social services investigators and the sheriff’s office had multiple encounters or troubling warnings about him over the years.
Israel’s description of Peterson as an armed, trained officer who was present for a mass killing but did not confront the shooter also comes as President Trump, in response to the Parkland massacre, has suggested arming teachers as a way to deter possible threats, while the National Rifle Association has also pushed for more armed guards in schools.
Trump has frequently suggested in response to mass shootings that more law-abiding people with firearms could help stop a shooter and the head of the NRA has repeatedly suggested the same. However, Israel’s announcement Thursday suggested that even if a person is armed, trained and available to help, that may not stop a mass killing that unfolds in a matter of minutes.
[ The lives lost in the Parkland shooting ]
The deputy’s decision to remain outside breaks with police tactics for responding to active-shooting incidents. Ever since the 1999 attack at Colorado’s Columbine High School, authorities have emphasized the importance of pursuing the attacker or attackers quickly in an effort to eliminate the threat and prevent additional deaths.
“Columbine resulted in new approaches in which patrol officers are being trained to respond to active shooters as quickly as possible,” the Police Executive Research Forum, a think tank backed by major-cities chiefs, wrote in a 2014 report.
Of course, this approach brings with it inherent issues, the report continued, because “a faster response is more dangerous to responding officers. Patrol officers who quickly move to confront an active shooter face a high likelihood of being shot themselves.”
Officers involved in responding to these shootings have later described the terror they felt. A report released by the Justice Department after the San Bernardino, Calif., terror attack quoted an officer who described checking room after room in the conference center where the shooting occurred, expecting to find the shooters behind the final doors.
“I don’t want to say I made peace, but I was ready to go,” the officer said. “We got into one room, and it was empty. We had a quick breath, and in we went to the last room. I was never so excited to not see anybody.”
Reviews like that Justice Department study are regularly conducted after mass shootings, allowing officials to study how officers responded in order to determine what others can improve upon. Following the shooting rampages at the Washington Navy Yard, a movie theater in Aurora, Colo., and the Virginia Tech campus, authorities reviewed what they did and sought ways to improve future responses.
Peterson is mentioned as part of a 2016 social services agency investigation into Nikolas Cruz, the 19-year-old identified by police as the gunman. According to a Florida Department of Children and Families report detailing that investigation, Peterson was approached by investigators and “refused to share any information … regarding [an] incident that took place with” the teenager.
Berman reported from Washington. This story has been updated.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/02/22/armed-sheriffs-deputy-stayed-outside-florida-school-while-mass-killing-took-place/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_pn-fladeputy-625pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.a6977519f255
You had one job. They might as well have put a scarecrow in a police uniform.
I refuse to pay that shit media organization to read the link.
No idea what it says
Seems to me, if everybody just did their jobs in the first place you could keep the 2nd amendment as is and wouldn't have this big of a problem. FBI sitting on their hands and coward police officer, maniacs have free reign
Wow...that is not cool. I mean he was just a school cop, not like he walked a beat or had any real world experience. Probably just took the job as a gravy job hassling teenagers. When shit got real he froze.
Definitely not making an excuse for him, he should not be able to work as an officer or even security guard again.
However, if he has humanity inside of him, there is nothing we can do to punish him more than what he will do to himself. Knowing he could have saved multiple people and didn't from fear. That will end up killing him unless he is a sociopath.
Seems to me, if everybody just did their jobs in the first place you could keep the 2nd amendment as is and wouldn't have this big of a problem. FBI sitting on their hands and coward police officer, maniacs have free reign
What a police officer is legally required to do is an interesting legal question.Wow...that is not cool. I mean he was just a school cop, not like he walked a beat or had any real world experience. Probably just took the job as a gravy job hassling teenagers. When shit got real he froze.
Definitely not making an excuse for him, he should not be able to work as an officer or even security guard again.
However, if he has humanity inside of him, there is nothing we can do to punish him more than what he will do to himself. Knowing he could have saved multiple people and didn't from fear. That will end up killing him unless he is a sociopath.
Yeah I don't know what to think of that. Maybe he's really there as a deterrent. But it kind of makes me think about the idea of having armed security there. I mean if they can choose not to get into a gun fight then I don't know how useful they are in a situation like this.
My bad about linking to wapo. I like them but the paywalls and the length of the link is cumbersome.
Wow...that is not cool. I mean he was just a school cop, not like he walked a beat or had any real world experience. Probably just took the job as a gravy job hassling teenagers. When shit got real he froze.
Definitely not making an excuse for him, he should not be able to work as an officer or even security guard again.
However, if he has humanity inside of him, there is nothing we can do to punish him more than what he will do to himself. Knowing he could have saved multiple people and didn't from fear. That will end up killing him unless he is a sociopath.
That's not true, you make the choice to either do the right thing which is hard and dangerous or the wrong thing which is safe and easy
I have no doubt you are well aware of this.
That's not true, you make the choice to either do the right thing which is hard and dangerous or the wrong thing which is safe and easy
I have no doubt you are well aware of this.
Unless you train for a specific situation and can respond without thinking, you can't tell in advance who is going to flee,fight or freeze.
I am for raising the age to 21 for semi-autos. I am not sure how much good it will do, but it is better than doing nothing.
I am for raising the age to 21 for semi-autos. I am not sure how much good it will do, but it is better than doing nothing.
I would argue no guns at all until 21. It's different here you're a full adult at 18. Personally I do think 18 is a little young to be classed as an adult but that's what we've done and it works.
Your media circus is falling apart btw.That's not really surprising. That's how TV works. Seriously, it happens with everything, on every channel and for any interview or debate. I know it's a bit ridiculous but it's not new.
Your media circus is falling apart btw.That's not really surprising. That's how TV works. Seriously, it happens with everything, on every channel and for any interview or debate. I know it's a bit ridiculous but it's not new.
It's just a when I pointed it out I think Crutonius had a small aneurysm.Lol what?!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AneurysmIt's just a when I pointed it out I think Crutonius had a small aneurysm.Lol what?!
I know what an aneurysm is, but I didn't quite catch the connection/why you mention an aneurysm here.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AneurysmIt's just a when I pointed it out I think Crutonius had a small aneurysm.Lol what?!
I know what an aneurysm is, but I didn't quite catch the connection/why you mention an aneurysm here.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AneurysmIt's just a when I pointed it out I think Crutonius had a small aneurysm.Lol what?!
Yep, he sucks quite hard at it. But hey, I give him a B- for effort, which is not too bad for him.I know what an aneurysm is, but I didn't quite catch the connection/why you mention an aneurysm here.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AneurysmIt's just a when I pointed it out I think Crutonius had a small aneurysm.Lol what?!
D1 wildly overestimates his ability to troll people.
I have no idea why people are even considering arming teachers as a solution. That's just fucked up. If you're willing to go to such extremes, it's better to just stipulate checks for everyone before they enter the school.Well what if a teacher goes mad and starts shooting at his students?
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018/02/president-trump-we-have-to-do-something-about-violent-video-games-movies/Before we ban them, we need to implement some sort of rating system for games and movies so that children won't be subjected to the violence in rated R movies or rated M games.
We must arm everyone and ban video games and movies. There's no study that's ever linked gun violence to video games but fuck it. That's an NRA talking point so Trump has to mindlessly parrot it.
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018/02/president-trump-we-have-to-do-something-about-violent-video-games-movies/
We must arm everyone and ban video games and movies. There's no study that's ever linked gun violence to video games but fuck it. That's an NRA talking point so Trump has to mindlessly parrot it.
I don't play video games and rarely watch movies, but there is something so satisfying about kicking puppies.Lol
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018/02/president-trump-we-have-to-do-something-about-violent-video-games-movies/Well everyone in the entire world plays videogames and watches violent movies, but it's mostly americans who shoot up schools. Not sure why they think the link makes sense.
We must arm everyone and ban video games and movies. There's no study that's ever linked gun violence to video games but fuck it. That's an NRA talking point so Trump has to mindlessly parrot it.
For the same reason why they are shooting up schools:I don't play video games and rarely watch movies, but there is something so satisfying about kicking puppies.Lolhttps://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018/02/president-trump-we-have-to-do-something-about-violent-video-games-movies/Well everyone in the entire world plays videogames and watches violent movies, but it's mostly americans who shoot up schools. Not sure why they think the link makes sense.
We must arm everyone and ban video games and movies. There's no study that's ever linked gun violence to video games but fuck it. That's an NRA talking point so Trump has to mindlessly parrot it.
The media is really excited about this kid's invention http://kfor.com/2018/02/20/students-invention-to-keep-intruders-out-of-classrooms-is-so-brilliant-that-his-district-has-ordered-one-for-every-room/ Kinda makes me wonder how easy it would be used to trap students inside a classroom, tho. I guess nothing is perfect.BRILLIANT!!! It's... a glorified latch... That's costlier and harder to put on than a normal latch... And it looks like you can't use it for every door... Huh...
Yep, he sucks quite hard at it. But hey, I give him a B- for effort, which is not too bad for him.
And you know why?Yep, he sucks quite hard at it. But hey, I give him a B- for effort, which is not too bad for him.
You know, D1 is the only person on this site that sticks up for you...yet you make comments like these.
Also seeing violence on television absolutely desensitises you to violence. Heaps of studies have been done on this, I'm not sure why we have to lie about it. I've linked to them multiple times and was called a conspiracy nutter by the usual suspects.
TBH, sometimes you are difficult to filter. ;)
Also seeing violence on television absolutely desensitises you to violence. Heaps of studies have been done on this, I'm not sure why we have to lie about it. I've linked to them multiple times and was called a conspiracy nutter by the usual suspects.
Also seeing violence on television absolutely desensitises you to violence. Heaps of studies have been done on this, I'm not sure why we have to lie about it. I've linked to them multiple times and was called a conspiracy nutter by the usual suspects.It's not like dulling is a new or unknown phenomen. But of course dulling is not absolute.
Bring back bullying.You are a garbage person.
Bring back bullying. It puts weak minded people in their place early on in life. They need to get used to being low man on the totem pole and adapt.Because bullying won't make people feel like victims eh? Good riddance with bullying, it's what makes a lot of kids outcasts in their own school to begin with. And the bully is always in the wrong, so long as it really is bullying. The problem is that the kids don't think they can get help from anyone but themselves. And is important to change your situation on your own, but the ugly reality is that sometimes it's just not possible to do it completely alone.
If you tell a kid who doesn't quite fit in that it is everyone else's fault, you plant the seed that they are a victim.
QuoteBring back bullying.You are a garbage person.
No, I'm just telling you how it is.QuoteBring back bullying.You are a garbage person.
You are trying to bully me. ;)
Let's compromise. Bullying, no. Gaslighting, yes.
A little bit of Bullying is good for kids.Nope. Hardships, sure. Bullying is completely unnecessary.
As I said I never had a male role model and copping shit on construction sites genuinely helped me. Really nasty bullying is wrong however. The kids should be taught to stand up for themselves instead of relying on the state.I'll say it once again: Sometimes it's impossible to do anything about it completely alone. Or well, it's not, there's an easy solution to all this: Shoot up your bullies. Can't believe I didn't think about that ;). And no kid is being told to rely on the state, they are told to rely on teachers and grown ups, people who are mature and should be able to help. But I'd wager that too many adults either give the same advice you do: "Just do something about it yourself", don't want to intervene, or won't know what to do. In these cases, the only way to stand up for oneself is to seek support in others.
Let's compromise. Bullying, no. Gaslighting, yes.
Mental health is the common denominator in all these shootings. Yet you want to take away citizens right to defend themselves instead of treating the sociopathy issue of your population.
No, I'm just telling you how it is.QuoteBring back bullying.You are a garbage person.
You are trying to bully me. ;)
If you feel bullied, leave this website and you are done with it.
A mass shooting involves 0.00000003% of guns in the USofA and one 100% insane person.I'm pretty sure what you just described will do much more harm than good.
We have an absolute right to self defense and courts to determine if that right was used properly.
There is no constitutional right to be a menace to society.
Bring back bullying. It puts weak minded people in their place early on in life. They need to get used to being low man on the totem pole and adapt.
If you tell a kid who doesn't quite fit in that it is everyone else's fault, you plant the seed that they are a victim.
Instead, council the kid on how to fit in. Direct them to clubs or activities that they are capable of fitting into.
Life is tough. If someone is isolated from reality until they are in their late teens, they are going to be ill-equipped to handle anything.
A mass shooting involves 0.00000003% of guns in the USofA and one 100% insane person.I'm pretty sure what you just described will do much more harm than good.
We have an absolute right to self defense and courts to determine if that right was used properly.
There is no constitutional right to be a menace to society.
Bring back bullying. It puts weak minded people in their place early on in life. They need to get used to being low man on the totem pole and adapt.
If you tell a kid who doesn't quite fit in that it is everyone else's fault, you plant the seed that they are a victim.
Instead, council the kid on how to fit in. Direct them to clubs or activities that they are capable of fitting into.
Life is tough. If someone is isolated from reality until they are in their late teens, they are going to be ill-equipped to handle anything.
Boys should all be taught boxing / Muay Thai. It's good for them and a healthy way to channel aggression and masculinity.Different people deal with aggression in different ways. And I don’t think it’s about learning a certain style of martial arts, but more about doing some general activity that is intensive and involves determination as well as explosive releases of energy.
I don’t know what you mean by ”channeling masculinity”.
The bullying part.A mass shooting involves 0.00000003% of guns in the USofA and one 100% insane person.I'm pretty sure what you just described will do much more harm than good.
We have an absolute right to self defense and courts to determine if that right was used properly.
There is no constitutional right to be a menace to society.
Bring back bullying. It puts weak minded people in their place early on in life. They need to get used to being low man on the totem pole and adapt.
If you tell a kid who doesn't quite fit in that it is everyone else's fault, you plant the seed that they are a victim.
Instead, council the kid on how to fit in. Direct them to clubs or activities that they are capable of fitting into.
Life is tough. If someone is isolated from reality until they are in their late teens, they are going to be ill-equipped to handle anything.
Which part. I was kind of all over the place.
Boys should all be taught boxing / Muay Thai. It's good for them and a healthy way to channel aggression and masculinity.Because video games and violent movies make kids violent, but there is no way violent sports can do that for some kids.
Yep, he sucks quite hard at it. But hey, I give him a B- for effort, which is not too bad for him.
You know, D1 is the only person on this site that sticks up for you...yet you make comments like these.
I told him you were a sniveling cowardly little weasel...he will realize it on his own soon enough.
I mean that men are more aggressive than women in general and on average.
Boxing helps men channel their aggression in healthy ways.
Your media circus is falling apart btw.
Well this isn't really a refutation, this is just CNN saying "we didn't do it". Of course we can't really know for sure what happened unless the rest of the participants say something about it.Your media circus is falling apart btw.
Fake news, CNN debunked this already.
https://www.local10.com/news/parkland-school-shooting/cnn-refutes-parkland-school-shooting-survivors-scripted-question-claim
Well this isn't really a refutation, this is just CNN saying "we didn't do it". Of course we can't really know for sure what happened unless the rest of the participants say something about it.Your media circus is falling apart btw.
Fake news, CNN debunked this already.
https://www.local10.com/news/parkland-school-shooting/cnn-refutes-parkland-school-shooting-survivors-scripted-question-claim
Yep, he sucks quite hard at it. But hey, I give him a B- for effort, which is not too bad for him.
You know, D1 is the only person on this site that sticks up for you...yet you make comments like these.
I told him you were a sniveling cowardly little weasel...he will realize it on his own soon enough.
Actually, you are the only person that attacks him relentlessly, you are so blinkered that you never even realize when he's trolling you.
The rest of us, think it's pretty hilarious.
Rayzor lies. I also attack the Swede no end.Nah don't worry, I don't consider your occasional mental pukes as attacks.
President Donald Trump is telling the nation's governors that he would have run into the deadly Florida high school shooting "even if I didn't have a weapon."
http://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/article202132309.htmlQuotePresident Donald Trump is telling the nation's governors that he would have run into the deadly Florida high school shooting "even if I didn't have a weapon."
Of course.
http://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/article202132309.htmlQuotePresident Donald Trump is telling the nation's governors that he would have run into the deadly Florida high school shooting "even if I didn't have a weapon."
Of course.
http://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/article202132309.htmlQuotePresident Donald Trump is telling the nation's governors that he would have run into the deadly Florida high school shooting "even if I didn't have a weapon."
Of course.
As just Donald Trump, I highly doubt it, but I guess you never know.
As president, definitely not...he would have been wisked away in a heartbeat by the secret service and put to a secure location the instant the first shot was heard.
http://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/article202132309.htmlQuotePresident Donald Trump is telling the nation's governors that he would have run into the deadly Florida high school shooting "even if I didn't have a weapon."
Of course.
Yeah, he knows the dozens of secret service agents would never let him put himself in harms way but would look great for the cameras of him 'trying'.
I'm just picturing an armored vehicle crashing into the school, running over the shooter, a Navy Seal getting out, opening the back door, Trump stepping out, facing the children and telling them "Ok, ok, no need to thank me, I just did my duty".Yeah, he knows the dozens of secret service agents would never let him put himself in harms way but would look great for the cameras of him 'trying'.
It is fun to visualize Bullwinkle's idea... Trump kicking down the door with a complete circle of agents opening fire all at the same time.
You guys having wet dreams about trump the hero? ::)
I'm just picturing an armored vehicle crashing into the school, running over the shooter, a Navy Seal getting out, opening the back door, Trump stepping out, facing the children and telling them "Ok, ok, no need to thank me, I just did my duty".Yeah, he knows the dozens of secret service agents would never let him put himself in harms way but would look great for the cameras of him 'trying'.
It is fun to visualize Bullwinkle's idea... Trump kicking down the door with a complete circle of agents opening fire all at the same time.
Yeah, he knows the dozens of secret service agents would never let him put himself in harms way but would look great for the cameras of him 'trying'.
It is fun to visualize Bullwinkle's idea... Trump kicking down the door with a complete circle of agents opening fire all at the same time.
Headline: 187 Dead in School Shooting
Yeah, he knows the dozens of secret service agents would never let him put himself in harms way but would look great for the cameras of him 'trying'.
It is fun to visualize Bullwinkle's idea... Trump kicking down the door with a complete circle of agents opening fire all at the same time.
Yeah, he knows the dozens of secret service agents would never let him put himself in harms way but would look great for the cameras of him 'trying'.
It is fun to visualize Bullwinkle's idea... Trump kicking down the door with a complete circle of agents opening fire all at the same time.
You realize that the agents would be shooting themselves if they were in a circle, or, wait, are they all shooting at Trump?
Holy Hell. When CNN is wrecking your shit and you're a Democrat...
Well, they could shoot towards the outside though.Yeah, he knows the dozens of secret service agents would never let him put himself in harms way but would look great for the cameras of him 'trying'.
It is fun to visualize Bullwinkle's idea... Trump kicking down the door with a complete circle of agents opening fire all at the same time.
You realize that the agents would be shooting themselves if they were in a circle, or, wait, are they all shooting at Trump?
Lol, the retard forgot to enable his vpn.
Yeah I considered that too, but then again, if you use russian location you can't even enter pornhub, so noone would do that.Lol, the retard forgot to enable his vpn.
Or maybe using a vpn?
Maximum lulz would be had using a Russian vpn. It's not proof it came from Russia, I'm posting from Israel now, for maximum lulz.
You realize that the agents would be shooting themselves if they were in a circle, or, wait, are they all shooting at Trump?
You realize that the agents would be shooting themselves if they were in a circle, or, wait, are they all shooting at Trump?
Another example of your 1 dimensional thinking...
Lol, you're such a bad boy, you got yourself a russian ip! #respect
I'm not a haxxor. You're trolling at about a 4 going to need to bring it up to a 7 or 8 before I bite mate.The 'Isn't that too complicated for you?' was a honest question tho.
Can you install and run a vpn on linux? That's an honest question. You should at least try to keep your trolling on topic. I know it's new for you and you're having fun.
Can you install and run a vpn on linux? That's an honest question. You should at least try to keep your trolling on topic. I know it's new for you and you're having fun.Yeah tried it once. Very easy, you find tons of tutorials online.
You know this so I didn't take your question as honest.Perhaps that was exactely why my question was honest. ;)
Yeah it is easy, I prefer it to windows, on windows you double click your vpn icon then click connect. You know this so I didn't take your question as honest.
He's a disgrace, and the laughingstock of the world.You guys having wet dreams about trump the hero? ::)
No, we don't need to. He already is a hero. He stopped that bitch Killary from taking the mantle of the Oval office. America owes him a debt of gratitude
He's a disgrace, and the laughingstock of the world.You guys having wet dreams about trump the hero? ::)
No, we don't need to. He already is a hero. He stopped that bitch Killary from taking the mantle of the Oval office. America owes him a debt of gratitude
Well this isn't really a refutation, this is just CNN saying "we didn't do it". Of course we can't really know for sure what happened unless the rest of the participants say something about it.Your media circus is falling apart btw.
Fake news, CNN debunked this already.
https://www.local10.com/news/parkland-school-shooting/cnn-refutes-parkland-school-shooting-survivors-scripted-question-claim
CNN published the email chain, and it looks like it was Colton's father who wanted his son to make a long speech about school defence.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2018/02/23/scripted-controversy-cnn-releases-emails-of-correspondence-with-florida-student/?utm_term=.f98696d1001a
Here's a data point for those following the debate as it evolves. Emma Gonzales now has more twitter followers than the NRA.
This kind of thing did not happen when I was in high school, and we had guns back then. This seems to be a snowflake generation epidemic.Well it sure does happen now and doesn't really happen where people don't have guns so...
School Resource Officers aren't rent-a-cops, they are actually police officers assigned to school duty. This guy has no excuse for his cowardice. I only feel bad for him because he is undoubtedly getting death threats now. I would have rather he been fired, but at least he isn't in that position anymore.
School Resource Officers aren't rent-a-cops, they are actually police officers assigned to school duty. This guy has no excuse for his cowardice. I only feel bad for him because he is undoubtedly getting death threats now. I would have rather he been fired, but at least he isn't in that position anymore.
Officers have been trained that the first person on scene is the first person to engage. This is basic stuff they taught when I was in the academy, the SRO and the three responding deputies had no excuse
Sources please.This kind of thing did not happen when I was in high school, and we had guns back then. This seems to be a snowflake generation epidemic.Well it sure does happen now and doesn't really happen where people don't have guns so...
Actually, statistically speaking, the EU has more mass shootings at a more frequent rate with more casualties than we do.
Facts, heh, statistics heh, A Jedi craves not these things.
Actually, that's complete bullshit. If you read it somewhere it's either an outright lie or someone manipulated data.This kind of thing did not happen when I was in high school, and we had guns back then. This seems to be a snowflake generation epidemic.Well it sure does happen now and doesn't really happen where people don't have guns so...
Actually, statistically speaking, the EU has more mass shootings at a more frequent rate with more casualties than we do.
If you include the "terrorist" shootings I think he might be right. I'm not digging around for statistics atm but there's been a fair few shootings in the EU, it's just not as publicised as American shootings.No, I can confirm that there are just less shootings regardless of publicization. I think even if you count the terrorist shootings he's probably still wrong. Terrorists don't use guns that frequently anyways.
Is this based on what you think you know or can you cite the crime statistics?It's based on experience mostly because it's hard to find a statistic for Europe as a whole. I'd have to compile all the data from different countries and I don't have the time right now. However referring to school shootings in particular (which was what I was initially referring to) it more than confirms my suspicion. The entire EU hasn't had nearly as many incidents as the US had.
I gave Luke the benefit of the doubt being a Police officer but if the statistics show otherwise I'm happy to see them.
Statistically speaking, I'd like to see these statistics. Can you link them?This kind of thing did not happen when I was in high school, and we had guns back then. This seems to be a snowflake generation epidemic.Well it sure does happen now and doesn't really happen where people don't have guns so...
Actually, statistically speaking, the EU has more mass shootings at a more frequent rate with more casualties than we do.
He just came out of police academy so possibly they had the stats in class?That sounds pretty darn unlikely.
A couple of years ago, the Academy for Critical Incident Analysis collected data on school violence around the world. They took a broad look at incidents where someone was killed, or a murder was attempted, and charted every one that had two or more victims. (Researchers left out "single homicides, off-campus homicides, killings caused by government actions, militaries, terrorists or militants." So, incidents like this one, where a U.S. airstrike in Syria accidentally hit a school and market and killed 30, are not included.)http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-america-school-shootings-20180215-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-america-school-shootings-20180215-story.html)
Between 2000 and 2010, the recorded 57 incidents in 36 countries.
Half of those incidents — 28 — occurred in the United States.
That's all the more shocking when you consider that in 2010, the United States had about 309 million residents. The population of the other countries totaled 3.8 billion. It's worth noting, too, that 13 of those countries had never suffered a school massacre.
Violence in U.S. schools is much more likely be carried out by a gun, too. As Quartz explained about the study:
"In the vast majority of US killings, perpetrators used guns. By comparison, China — with the second-greatest number of incidents — saw 10 mass killings, but none involving firearms. Germany saw three mass shootings; Finland saw two. Thirteen other countries each saw one incident with at least one person being wounded or killed; in the rest nobody was reported as hurt."
There's evidence, too, that school violence is declining in other places. As my colleague explained this morning, "in Europe, there hasn't been a major high-casualty gun attack on a campus in almost a decade."
This is not about how to keep firearms out of the hands of insane people,Give em guns and put them on a island?
it's about how to keep insane people away from society.
“I like taking the guns early, like in this crazy man’s case that just took place in Florida ... to go to court would have taken a long time,” Trump said at a meeting with lawmakers on school safety and gun violence.
“Take the guns first, go through due process second,” Trump said.
Trump was responding to comments from Vice President Pence that families and local law enforcement should have more tools to report potentially dangerous individuals with weapons.
“Allow due process so no one’s rights are trampled, but the ability to go to court, obtain an order and then collect not only the firearms but any weapons,” Pence said.
"Or, Mike, take the firearms first, and then go to court," Trump responded.
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/376097-trump-take-the-guns-first-go-through-due-process-secondMy only worry with Pence's plan is that court systems are already bogged down. I'm afraid these types of preventative cases would be disregarded or thrown out as frivolous. I like the idea of being able to legally confiscate from potentially dangerous people, but it's a fine line to walk in determining what constitutes potentially dangerous, legitimately dangerous, or just really terrible internet trolling.Quote“I like taking the guns early, like in this crazy man’s case that just took place in Florida ... to go to court would have taken a long time,” Trump said at a meeting with lawmakers on school safety and gun violence.
“Take the guns first, go through due process second,” Trump said.
Trump was responding to comments from Vice President Pence that families and local law enforcement should have more tools to report potentially dangerous individuals with weapons.
“Allow due process so no one’s rights are trampled, but the ability to go to court, obtain an order and then collect not only the firearms but any weapons,” Pence said.
"Or, Mike, take the firearms first, and then go to court," Trump responded.
I actually agree with Pence, and think Trump was just kinda thinking out loud. Someone will explain to him that due process is important, I hope.
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/376097-trump-take-the-guns-first-go-through-due-process-second (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/376097-trump-take-the-guns-first-go-through-due-process-second)Quote“I like taking the guns early, like in this crazy man’s case that just took place in Florida ... to go to court would have taken a long time,” Trump said at a meeting with lawmakers on school safety and gun violence.
“Take the guns first, go through due process second,” Trump said.
Trump was responding to comments from Vice President Pence that families and local law enforcement should have more tools to report potentially dangerous individuals with weapons.
“Allow due process so no one’s rights are trampled, but the ability to go to court, obtain an order and then collect not only the firearms but any weapons,” Pence said.
"Or, Mike, take the firearms first, and then go to court," Trump responded.
I actually agree with Pence, and think Trump was just kinda thinking out loud. Someone will explain to him that due process is important, I hope.
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/376097-trump-take-the-guns-first-go-through-due-process-second (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/376097-trump-take-the-guns-first-go-through-due-process-second)Quote“I like taking the guns early, like in this crazy man’s case that just took place in Florida ... to go to court would have taken a long time,” Trump said at a meeting with lawmakers on school safety and gun violence.
“Take the guns first, go through due process second,” Trump said.
Trump was responding to comments from Vice President Pence that families and local law enforcement should have more tools to report potentially dangerous individuals with weapons.
“Allow due process so no one’s rights are trampled, but the ability to go to court, obtain an order and then collect not only the firearms but any weapons,” Pence said.
"Or, Mike, take the firearms first, and then go to court," Trump responded.
I actually agree with Pence, and think Trump was just kinda thinking out loud. Someone will explain to him that due process is important, I hope.
That's how the creative process works. I've thrown in some pretty off the wall solutions in meetings over the years knowing they would never actually solve a problem. It gives other people the freedom to think out loud.
If you start out with limitations you will never get the best solution.
School Resource Officers aren't rent-a-cops, they are actually police officers assigned to school duty. This guy has no excuse for his cowardice. I only feel bad for him because he is undoubtedly getting death threats now. I would have rather he been fired, but at least he isn't in that position anymore.
Officers have been trained that the first person on scene is the first person to engage. This is basic stuff they taught when I was in the academy, the SRO and the three responding deputies had no excuse
As an actual officer, what do you think should happen to them?
Sources please.This kind of thing did not happen when I was in high school, and we had guns back then. This seems to be a snowflake generation epidemic.Well it sure does happen now and doesn't really happen where people don't have guns so...
Actually, statistically speaking, the EU has more mass shootings at a more frequent rate with more casualties than we do.
Also mass shootings =/= school shootings.Even if he thought the shooting was outside, he should've gone towards the gun fire. Ever since Columbine, officers in most states including Florida teach that if backup is not immediately on scene, you should go in and neutralize the threat.
Also you should consider that not all europe countries are involved in big anti terrorism stuff (which makes them a terrorism target), so some countries, e.g. denmark, norway, switzerland,... are quite safe, where as others like french are not as safe.
About the officer there: As far as I know, he thought that the shooter was outside (he said that in a phone call I think). So getting behind his car and wait for reinforcement was - from what I heared - what the protocol says to do in such a situation. I might be wrong here, also I'm not saying it was the right thing to do.
Actually, that's complete bullshit. If you read it somewhere it's either an outright lie or someone manipulated data.This kind of thing did not happen when I was in high school, and we had guns back then. This seems to be a snowflake generation epidemic.Well it sure does happen now and doesn't really happen where people don't have guns so...
Actually, statistically speaking, the EU has more mass shootings at a more frequent rate with more casualties than we do.
Is this based on what you think you know or can you cite the crime statistics?
I gave Luke the benefit of the doubt being a Police officer but if the statistics show otherwise I'm happy to see them.
WTF? https://www.reuters.com/news/picture/blessing-the-ar-15-idUSRTX4ZCOJ
WTF? https://www.reuters.com/news/picture/blessing-the-ar-15-idUSRTX4ZCOJ
It makes me wonder. What kind of firearm would jesus use?
WTF? https://www.reuters.com/news/picture/blessing-the-ar-15-idUSRTX4ZCOJ
WTF? https://www.reuters.com/news/picture/blessing-the-ar-15-idUSRTX4ZCOJ
What's with the crowns?
Don't worry, I got it.WTF? https://www.reuters.com/news/picture/blessing-the-ar-15-idUSRTX4ZCOJ
It makes me wonder. What kind of firearm would jesus use?
Based on what I've heard about his occupation I suspect he would use this gun:
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/1HMAAOSwLsBZQ8C-/s-l225.jpg)
Don't worry, I got it.WTF? https://www.reuters.com/news/picture/blessing-the-ar-15-idUSRTX4ZCOJ
It makes me wonder. What kind of firearm would jesus use?
Based on what I've heard about his occupation I suspect he would use this gun:
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/1HMAAOSwLsBZQ8C-/s-l225.jpg)
For the others, it's a nail gun.
Limit them to staple guns.
Limit them to staple guns.
Nail guns that use explosive charges were treated as firearms in Australia. No, not kidding. I think it might have changed late last year?
WTF? https://www.reuters.com/news/picture/blessing-the-ar-15-idUSRTX4ZCOJ
I wonder if they are Moonies.
Welcome to the website of the World Peace and Unification Sanctuary, also known as the Sanctuary Church of Newfoundland, PA!
Our pastor, Rev. Hyung Jin Moon, and his wife Rev. Yeon Ah Lee Moon, are the appointed heir/successor couple carrying on the providential work of his father, the Rev. Sun Myung Moon, whose encounter with Jesus at age 15 led to his six decade worldwide ministry to fulfill Christ's mission, based on his Biblically based teachings, the Divine Principle.
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Method to Multiply Holy Salt
1. Obtain the seed Holy Salt.
2. New salt needs to be purchased. Take a few grains of the seed Holy Salt and sprinkle on the newly purchased salt package or carton as soon as possible upon purchase.
3. Clean the environment to be used to multiply the Holy Salt. It is suggested to use a sheet of paper on a table or on the floor on which one mixes the salt piles.
4. Make one pile with the seed Holy Salt and make seven identical size piles of the new salt. All the piles should be of equal amounts.
5. Offer a prayer along these lines:
“I pray that this salt is sanctified and turned into Holy Salt. This I report in the name of the (family name) Blessed Central Family.”
Note: If the person praying has not received the Blessing ceremony, it is suggested he/she would then pray in the name of the Three Kingships.
6. Sprinkle the seed Holy Salt on each of the seven piles of new salt using your right hand.
7. Mix the seed Holy Salt into each of the seven piles.
8. Mix all the piles together.
9. Final prayer (optional).
Note: If only a small quantity of the original seed Holy Salt is available, perform the above multiplication procedure more than once, thus making a greater quantity from the original seed Holy Salt.
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They need to stop doing this shit.
Limit them to staple guns.
Nail guns that use explosive charges were treated as firearms in Australia. No, not kidding. I think it might have changed late last year?
Method to Multiply Holy Salt
1. Obtain the seed Holy Salt.
2. New salt needs to be purchased. Take a few grains of the seed Holy Salt and sprinkle on the newly purchased salt package or carton as soon as possible upon purchase.
3. Clean the environment to be used to multiply the Holy Salt. It is suggested to use a sheet of paper on a table or on the floor on which one mixes the salt piles.
4. Make one pile with the seed Holy Salt and make seven identical size piles of the new salt. All the piles should be of equal amounts.
5. Offer a prayer along these lines:
“I pray that this salt is sanctified and turned into Holy Salt. This I report in the name of the (family name) Blessed Central Family.”
Note: If the person praying has not received the Blessing ceremony, it is suggested he/she would then pray in the name of the Three Kingships.
6. Sprinkle the seed Holy Salt on each of the seven piles of new salt using your right hand.
7. Mix the seed Holy Salt into each of the seven piles.
8. Mix all the piles together.
9. Final prayer (optional).
Note: If only a small quantity of the original seed Holy Salt is available, perform the above multiplication procedure more than once, thus making a greater quantity from the original seed Holy Salt.
Lol you do realize that most of these countries have VERY small populations compared to the US right? If 1 shooting happens there it will glide up to the top of the chart in no time, with many countries not even having a single shooting in recent history. That doesn't say anything about Europe in general. Norway had 1 shooting and that's it. But it was extremely deadly and the population is low. Even if no shootings happen there for the next 10 years and the rate of shootings increases in the US it will still be way up there. I don't find it very surprising in France, because of the terrorist attacks, which is a different issue altogether, and countries like Albania and Macedonia are not ones I would call "advanced". If you really want a statistic that says anything, you'd have to compile data from all European countries and add them together, treating the whole of Europe as a single country. You can't compare countries 100 times smaller than the US with it for something as uncommon as mass shootings. It's like comparing individual states.Actually, that's complete bullshit. If you read it somewhere it's either an outright lie or someone manipulated data.This kind of thing did not happen when I was in high school, and we had guns back then. This seems to be a snowflake generation epidemic.Well it sure does happen now and doesn't really happen where people don't have guns so...
Actually, statistically speaking, the EU has more mass shootings at a more frequent rate with more casualties than we do.
Ok. Then address this.
https://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/comparing-death-rates-from-mass-public-shootings-in-the-us-and-europe/
Lol you do realize that most of these countries have VERY small populations compared to the US right?Actually, that's complete bullshit. If you read it somewhere it's either an outright lie or someone manipulated data.This kind of thing did not happen when I was in high school, and we had guns back then. This seems to be a snowflake generation epidemic.Well it sure does happen now and doesn't really happen where people don't have guns so...
Actually, statistically speaking, the EU has more mass shootings at a more frequent rate with more casualties than we do.
Ok. Then address this.
https://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/comparing-death-rates-from-mass-public-shootings-in-the-us-and-europe/
He has authored books such as More Guns, Less Crime, The Bias Against Guns, and Freedomnomics. He is best known as an advocate[1][2][3] in the gun rights debate, particularly his arguments against restrictions on owning and carrying guns. Newsweek referred to Lott as "The Gun Crowd's Guru."[4]He's been caught lots of times, not just manipulating data but just plain making shit up.
Lott often claims that there is no difference between the frequency of public shootings in Europe and the United States. This is unabashedly false — but he continues to spread the falsehood anyway.
In February, he made the claim before the Tennessee Senate. “Most people may not realize this, but the rate of mass public shootings in Europe is actually fairly similar to the rate in the United States,” he said. “There is no statistically significant difference there, either in terms of the rate or fatalities.”
A couple of months earlier, he said something similar to the Washington Post, which quickly highlighted that his analysis was quite different from that of other experts in the field. As the Post noted, while Lott said the per capita rates of mass shootings in Europe and the United States were approximately the same, another researcher found the U.S. rate to be five times higher. The Post explained that the gulf between the results was due to Lott and the other researcher using different definitions.
But there is an even simpler explanation for the differing conclusions: Lott wasn’t being honest about his own findings.
While Lott claims the per capita rate in the United States and Europe are approximately the same, his own data tables tell a different story. Accepting his data at face value, between 2009 and 2015, the United States had 25 mass shootings versus 19 in the E.U. and 24 in Europe as a whole. This comes out as a rate of .078 shootings per million individuals in the United States, .038 for the E.U., and .032 for Europe as a whole. The United States has more than double the mass shooting rate of the E.U. and Europe, directly contradicting Lott’s statements about his own data.
Further, Lott’s carefully crafted criteria to include an incident as a mass shooting is highly suspect. Lott goes to great lengths to exclude mass shootings that are the result of burglaries and gang violence, but he includes terrorist attacks. This choice means that while the Texas biker gang gunfight last summer is excluded in his statistics, the November Paris attacks, which accounted for more than one-third of Europe’s mass shooting fatalities, are included.
However, when scholars study these mass shootings, they frequently exclude terrorist attacks from the analysis, for much the same reason Lott excludes burglaries and gang violence: the motivations are different. When researchers use a more appropriate set of criteria, the chasm between the rate of mass shootings in Europe and the United States widens even further. Researchers can also include all incidents of mass shootings (regardless of motivation) or use complex statistical analysis to determine whether the mass shooting difference between the United States and Europe is significant. The result remains the same — the United States fares far worse.
All of these methods point to the same conclusion: even if Lott wasn’t lying about his own results, his analysis would still be deeply flawed.
Nearly like it isn't the guns killing people but other people?How is that related to my post?
Nearly like it isn't the guns killing people but other people?Sure that it's not the guns doing the killing? I mean, do you find bullets in dead people or do you find 'other people' in them?
Stop gilding the pickle, you demisexual aromantic homoflexible snowflake.
Lol you do realize that most of these countries have VERY small populations compared to the US right? If 1 shooting happens there it will glide up to the top of the chart in no time, with many countries not even having a single shooting in recent history. That doesn't say anything about Europe in general. Norway had 1 shooting and that's it. But it was extremely deadly and the population is low. Even if no shootings happen there for the next 10 years and the rate of shootings increases in the US it will still be way up there. I don't find it very surprising in France, because of the terrorist attacks, which is a different issue altogether, and countries like Albania and Macedonia are not ones I would call "advanced". If you really want a statistic that says anything, you'd have to compile data from all European countries and add them together, treating the whole of Europe as a single country. You can't compare countries 100 times smaller than the US with it for something as uncommon as mass shootings. It's like comparing individual states.Actually, that's complete bullshit. If you read it somewhere it's either an outright lie or someone manipulated data.This kind of thing did not happen when I was in high school, and we had guns back then. This seems to be a snowflake generation epidemic.Well it sure does happen now and doesn't really happen where people don't have guns so...
Actually, statistically speaking, the EU has more mass shootings at a more frequent rate with more casualties than we do.
Ok. Then address this.
https://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/comparing-death-rates-from-mass-public-shootings-in-the-us-and-europe/
Btw Switzerland, Norway, Serbia and Belgium are some of the most armed countries in Europe. Belgium actually has similar gun laws to the US. Food for thought.
That's why I said "statistically"
if I'm nkt mistaken one of the links did in fact compared the EU as a whole to the US.
And it includes terrorist attacks that weren't executed solely with guns. I can't look more deeply into this right now but this site seems pretty biased.The guy who runs it has been done multiple times for just making shit up - and he plays lots of games with the presentation on that site. Academic studies have shown mass shootings at a level 5 times higher in the US and the EU - and that guys own figures (if you look into them properly) show a significantly higher rate in the US. He just lies about them.
That site is worse than a joke.No that data is used to make a different point. On the other hand I'm suspicious that he's used different definitions of "mass shooting", in that he's only kept indiscriminate shootings in his US stats, but he's used any shooting with 4 or more fatalities for Europe.
Example:
(https://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Screen-Shot-2016-04-05-at-Tuesday-April-5-1.05-AM.png)
Rank 7 - Switzerland
--> Taking a look at the data he provided further down:
"Zug, Switzerland, Sept. 27, 2001: A man whose lawsuits had been denied murdered 14 members of a cantonal parliament."
Wait what? The graph claims to use data from 2009-2015...
that site is all fake news and propaganda. Fuckig pathetic to use that site to make a point.
Stop gilding the pickle, you demisexual aromantic homoflexible snowflake.
This could easily become my favorite retort.
A closer look at a wannabe mass shooter.Woah this kid is seriously fucked up. It's really disturbing how more recent school shooters almost make the Columbine shooters moral in comparison.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/inside-a-teen-school-shooters-mind-a-plot-to-kill-50-or-60-if-i-get-lucky-maybe-150/2018/03/03/68cc673c-1b27-11e8-ae5a-16e60e4605f3_story.html?utm_term=.326467046ff9
His rampage ended in two people dead. It probably didn't show up on anyone's radar because 2 dead in a school shooting apparently isn't big news now. The reason it was only two was because he could only get his dad's handgun which jammed. His father also had a semi automatic rifle which he had the good sense to lock up. Well not that day actually. Funny story. That rifle was out of the gun safe. The kid just didn't notice it.
I would be dishonest if I didn't point out how disturbingly similar his thoughts on the subject are to how I look at a game of Halo.
About the videogame thing, I definitely think people with these tendencies are attracted to them and often incorporate elements from them in their plans. However I don't buy for a moment that they generate these tendencies.
Again, I've played violent video games my whole life and I'm not a murderous psychopath.(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/mobile/000/023/021/e02e5ffb5f980cd8262cf7f0ae00a4a9_press-x-to-doubt-memes-memesuper-la-noire-doubt-meme_419-238.jpg)
Again, I've played violent video games my whole life and I'm not a murderous psychopath.
Again, I've played violent video games my whole life and I'm not a murderous psychopath.
I've played Hello Kitty Online all my life and I am a murderous psychopath. Where does that leave us?
I've killed countless zombies in the Resident Evil series, hordes of Covenant and Flood in Halo, legions of Geth and Reaper troops in Mass Effect, assloads of hookers in GTA, and look how I turned out.
My Grandpa smoked all his life and he's 90 years old and going strong.Smoking decreases life expectation by quite a bit.
It might just be that murderous psychopaths like violent games, not that violent games make them murderous psychopaths.
It might just be that murderous psychopaths like violent games, not that violent games make them murderous psychopaths.
It has to be society's fault.
There is no way murderous psychopaths just have fucked up brains.
It might just be that murderous psychopaths like violent games, not that violent games make them murderous psychopaths.
It has to be society's fault.
There is no way murderous psychopaths just have fucked up brains.
I played Tetris once, I got angry when I lost. All video games should be banned.
My Grandpa smoked all his life and he's 90 years old and going strong.Smoking decreases life expectation by quite a bit.
Exceptions are always existing. To base anything on those exceptions proves ignorance and pure stupidity.
There has to be something more than that. This didn't happen a few decades ago, and it still doesn't happen in other countries.It might just be that murderous psychopaths like violent games, not that violent games make them murderous psychopaths.
It has to be society's fault.
There is no way murderous psychopaths just have fucked up brains.
There has to be something more than that. This didn't happen a few decades ago, and it still doesn't happen in other countries.It might just be that murderous psychopaths like violent games, not that violent games make them murderous psychopaths.
It has to be society's fault.
There is no way murderous psychopaths just have fucked up brains.
Yeah I thought about that too... Seems that nutter discussed his plans in a community of nutters.There has to be something more than that. This didn't happen a few decades ago, and it still doesn't happen in other countries.It might just be that murderous psychopaths like violent games, not that violent games make them murderous psychopaths.
It has to be society's fault.
There is no way murderous psychopaths just have fucked up brains.
Another piece of the puzzle. In the article that I linked to and that scg posted a few pages ago there's an interesting commonality, online mass shooter admiration communities.
There's a weird side effect of the internet bringing everyone together. People have the option to hide from reality by finding like the only 10 other people on the planet that believe that same insane thing they do.
I didn't know how gory the Witcher 3 combat was and my 4 year old was in the room.Ha, my mate had the same thing with the Witcher 3 and his kid - except it was the fairly brutal swearing he picked up on as it blasted round his living room. "Daddy, what's that man saying?"
I didn't know how gory the Witcher 3 combat was and my 4 year old was in the room.Ha, my mate had the same thing with the Witcher 3 and his kid - except it was the fairly brutal swearing he picked up on as it blasted round his living room. "Daddy, what's that man saying?"
lol, I was playing Life is StrangeBut why?
lol, I was playing Life is StrangeBut why?
Yeah, but it's pretty lame.lol, I was playing Life is StrangeBut why?
Because sometimes, I like a linear storyline that doesn't require 50-100+hrs of gameplay to finish.
Yeah, but it's pretty lame.lol, I was playing Life is StrangeBut why?
Because sometimes, I like a linear storyline that doesn't require 50-100+hrs of gameplay to finish.
I didn't, but a friend did.Yeah, but it's pretty lame.lol, I was playing Life is StrangeBut why?
Because sometimes, I like a linear storyline that doesn't require 50-100+hrs of gameplay to finish.
Man, I downloaded the whole thing for like $6 on a sale. Not fussed. You wouldn't know if it was lame unless you looked into it yourself! How much did you lose on it?
Wesker is no loser.
Come on User, you do better than that ;)
Come on User, you do better than that ;)
Wesker is not impressed.
Come on User, you do better than that ;)What has given you that idea?
If I had to take a guess I'd say my general intellectual superiority paired with my astoundingly charismatic appearance.Come on User, you do better than that ;)What has given you that idea?
Could be that.If I had to take a guess I'd say my general intellectual superiority paired with my astoundingly charismatic appearance.Come on User, you do better than that ;)What has given you that idea?
If I had to take a guess I'd say my general intellectual superiority paired with my astoundingly charismatic appearance.
The teacher had just told the class that he wanted to make sure his gun wasn't loaded, when the gun fired, according to Gonzales.
I kinda feel sorry for the guy, the false flag people will be threatening him.
Also, I hope anyone who thinks arming teachers is a good idea will just think about it. Even trained people who are used to handling guns make mistakes.
I kinda feel sorry for the guy, the false flag people will be threatening him.
Also, I hope anyone who thinks arming teachers is a good idea will just think about it. Even trained people who are used to handling guns make mistakes.
Many people are shot every year with unloaded guns. Doesn't very often happen during a gun safety demonstration by a police officer.
On the whole I think it was a great demonstration of gun safety. But I doubt many will see it that way.
I kinda feel sorry for the guy, the false flag people will be threatening him.
Also, I hope anyone who thinks arming teachers is a good idea will just think about it. Even trained people who are used to handling guns make mistakes.
Many people are shot every year with unloaded guns. Doesn't very often happen during a gun safety demonstration by a police officer.
On the whole I think it was a great demonstration of gun safety. But I doubt many will see it that way.
I kinda feel sorry for the guy, the false flag people will be threatening him.
Also, I hope anyone who thinks arming teachers is a good idea will just think about it. Even trained people who are used to handling guns make mistakes.
Many people are shot every year with unloaded guns. Doesn't very often happen during a gun safety demonstration by a police officer.
On the whole I think it was a great demonstration of gun safety. But I doubt many will see it that way.
You're callous. People were hurt and could have been killed. Would you still think it was a 'great demonstration' if that was your kid in hospital?
I kinda feel sorry for the guy, the false flag people will be threatening him.
Also, I hope anyone who thinks arming teachers is a good idea will just think about it. Even trained people who are used to handling guns make mistakes.
Many people are shot every year with unloaded guns. Doesn't very often happen during a gun safety demonstration by a police officer.
On the whole I think it was a great demonstration of gun safety. But I doubt many will see it that way.
You're callous. People were hurt and could have been killed. Would you still think it was a 'great demonstration' if that was your kid in hospital?
As far as gun safety goes it was a great demonstration, none of those kids will ever forget it. The rule is that there is no such thing as an unloaded gun.
To imply that means I don't care about the kid who got a bullet fragment in the neck is leaping to an unwarranted conclusion, it means no such thing.
Stop projecting.
I kinda feel sorry for the guy, the false flag people will be threatening him.
Also, I hope anyone who thinks arming teachers is a good idea will just think about it. Even trained people who are used to handling guns make mistakes.
Many people are shot every year with unloaded guns. Doesn't very often happen during a gun safety demonstration by a police officer.
On the whole I think it was a great demonstration of gun safety. But I doubt many will see it that way.
You're callous. People were hurt and could have been killed. Would you still think it was a 'great demonstration' if that was your kid in hospital?
As far as gun safety goes it was a great demonstration, none of those kids will ever forget it. The rule is that there is no such thing as an unloaded gun.
To imply that means I don't care about the kid who got a bullet fragment in the neck is leaping to an unwarranted conclusion, it means no such thing.
Stop projecting.
I wasn't projecting. I am not even sure how that word can be applied in this context. I was being serious. Guns have no place in a school. Kids should not need to worry about being shot accidently or otherwise from their educators. Schools are not jails. Unless we are preparing our kids for a life in prison, the teachers do not need to have guns. Just fuck them off. Only a matter of time before some kid with a deathwish wrestles a gun off an unsuspecting teacher or some idiot teacher leaves a gun unlocked in a desk drawer.
Americas main problem is embedded in its culture. It's not an easy fix and cant be done overnight. I think bringing more guns inside schools is the wrong direction. I of course speak from a country that doesn't give 2 shits about guns. No one obsesses about them and no one (bar law enforcement and armoured security guards transporting large amounts of cash) really has them.
America cant ever go to a utopia that is Australia. You're too far gone for that. ;) But guns inside schools wont fix the problem of guns in schools. It also sets the mindset in children growing up with armed teachers that violence is not only a way of life, but a solution.
Judging by the protests going on it looks like the students don't want their teachers to be armed anyway. I cant say I blame them
Americas main problem is embedded in its culture. It's not an easy fix and cant be done overnight. I think bringing more guns inside schools is the wrong direction. I of course speak from a country that doesn't give 2 shits about guns. No one obsesses about them and no one (bar law enforcement and armoured security guards transporting large amounts of cash) really has them.
America cant ever go to a utopia that is Australia. You're too far gone for that. ;) But guns inside schools wont fix the problem of guns in schools. It also sets the mindset in children growing up with armed teachers that violence is not only a way of life, but a solution.
Judging by the protests going on it looks like the students don't want their teachers to be armed anyway. I cant say I blame them
So, "armoured security guards transporting large amounts of cash" in Australia get to protect other people's stuff against aggressive attack, but, individuals are forbidden from protecting their life against attack?
With that said, each state has their own amendments when it comes to what constitutes as self defence. For example, under section 418(2) of the NSW Crimes Act 1900, a person is not guilty of an offence if they were:
(a) to defend himself or herself or another person, or (b) to prevent or terminate the unlawful deprivation of his or her liberty or the liberty of another person, or (c) to protect property from unlawful taking, destruction, damage or interference, or (d) to prevent criminal trespass to any land or premises or to remove a person committing any such criminal trespass, and the conduct is a reasonable response in the circumstances as he or she perceives them.
Americas main problem is embedded in its culture. It's not an easy fix and cant be done overnight. I think bringing more guns inside schools is the wrong direction. I of course speak from a country that doesn't give 2 shits about guns. No one obsesses about them and no one (bar law enforcement and armoured security guards transporting large amounts of cash) really has them.
America cant ever go to a utopia that is Australia. You're too far gone for that. ;) But guns inside schools wont fix the problem of guns in schools. It also sets the mindset in children growing up with armed teachers that violence is not only a way of life, but a solution.
Judging by the protests going on it looks like the students don't want their teachers to be armed anyway. I cant say I blame them
There is a reason why children don't get to make the rules.
So, "armoured security guards transporting large amounts of cash" in Australia get to protect other people's stuff against aggressive attack, but, individuals are forbidden from protecting their life against attack?
Does calling 000 or 112 in Australia guarantee a victims survival or just alert the police to the whereabouts of the crime scene.
BTW, you didn't offer a solution.
So, "armoured security guards transporting large amounts of cash" in Australia get to protect other people's stuff against aggressive attack, but, individuals are forbidden from protecting their life against attack?
It's called self defence, and it is a right that everyone has.QuoteWith that said, each state has their own amendments when it comes to what constitutes as self defence. For example, under section 418(2) of the NSW Crimes Act 1900, a person is not guilty of an offence if they were:
(a) to defend himself or herself or another person, or (b) to prevent or terminate the unlawful deprivation of his or her liberty or the liberty of another person, or (c) to protect property from unlawful taking, destruction, damage or interference, or (d) to prevent criminal trespass to any land or premises or to remove a person committing any such criminal trespass, and the conduct is a reasonable response in the circumstances as he or she perceives them.
It doesn't automatically confer the right to kill an intruder, that could be construed as excessive force.
If you find a drunk teenager crashed out on your couch you point your weapon and call 911.
Gordon Pryor, 60, woke just before sunrise on Saturday to the sound of someone entering his unlocked rural home in Mangawhai.
He watched the young man settle down on the couch, pulling a bean bag over himself for warmth.
A New Zealand man left an intruder to sleep on his couch while posting pictures on Facebook to find out who he was. Source: Facebook
Rather than interrupt him, the homeowner let the young man sleep despite his eldest son, a policeman, informing him the visitor had broken the law.
He said it would have been easier to let the man stay rather than wake him and possibly face an argument.
The fisherman boiled a kettle and had a coffee and a piece of toast while he watched over the man.
Mr Pryor also took a few pictures to share to a couple local Facebook pages to see if anyone recognised him.
"Found this guy sleeping on my couch this am lol does anyone know him?" he wrote.
While nobody identified the sleeping man, the post received hundreds of positive comments from locals praising Mr Pryor for his kindness, while many parents checked their kids' rooms to see if they were missing anyone.
The intruder was laster identified as engineering student Louis Coetze who was visiting the region. Source: Facebook
“I’ve travelled the world a bit and you know a few things and you know your capabilities if you have to deal with somebody and if you need assistance.
"I wasn’t unduly concerned,” Mr Pryor told the New Zealand Herald.
The intruder turned out to be an engineering student visiting the region who had to walk to his destination after being dropped off by a shuttle bus.
Mr Pryor later updated the post to say: "Well guys we now know who he is. A good kid... just got a little lost lol."
The young man's mother has since thanked Mr Pryor for his kindness, the newspaper reported.
"Only in Mangawhai!" one person posted
If you find a drunk teenager crashed out on your couch you point your weapon and call 911.
or you can do what this guy did
https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/38450038/intruder-tourist-sleeps-on-nz-fishermans-couch-in-mangawhai/QuoteGordon Pryor, 60, woke just before sunrise on Saturday to the sound of someone entering his unlocked rural home in Mangawhai.
He watched the young man settle down on the couch, pulling a bean bag over himself for warmth.
A New Zealand man left an intruder to sleep on his couch while posting pictures on Facebook to find out who he was. Source: Facebook
Rather than interrupt him, the homeowner let the young man sleep despite his eldest son, a policeman, informing him the visitor had broken the law.
He said it would have been easier to let the man stay rather than wake him and possibly face an argument.
The fisherman boiled a kettle and had a coffee and a piece of toast while he watched over the man.
Mr Pryor also took a few pictures to share to a couple local Facebook pages to see if anyone recognised him.
"Found this guy sleeping on my couch this am lol does anyone know him?" he wrote.
While nobody identified the sleeping man, the post received hundreds of positive comments from locals praising Mr Pryor for his kindness, while many parents checked their kids' rooms to see if they were missing anyone.
The intruder was laster identified as engineering student Louis Coetze who was visiting the region. Source: Facebook
“I’ve travelled the world a bit and you know a few things and you know your capabilities if you have to deal with somebody and if you need assistance.
"I wasn’t unduly concerned,” Mr Pryor told the New Zealand Herald.
The intruder turned out to be an engineering student visiting the region who had to walk to his destination after being dropped off by a shuttle bus.
Mr Pryor later updated the post to say: "Well guys we now know who he is. A good kid... just got a little lost lol."
The young man's mother has since thanked Mr Pryor for his kindness, the newspaper reported.
"Only in Mangawhai!" one person posted
I kinda feel sorry for the guy, the false flag people will be threatening him.
Also, I hope anyone who thinks arming teachers is a good idea will just think about it. Even trained people who are used to handling guns make mistakes.
Many people are shot every year with unloaded guns. Doesn't very often happen during a gun safety demonstration by a police officer.
On the whole I think it was a great demonstration of gun safety. But I doubt many will see it that way.
You're callous. People were hurt and could have been killed. Would you still think it was a 'great demonstration' if that was your kid in hospital?
As far as gun safety goes it was a great demonstration, none of those kids will ever forget it. The rule is that there is no such thing as an unloaded gun.
To imply that means I don't care about the kid who got a bullet fragment in the neck is leaping to an unwarranted conclusion, it means no such thing.
Stop projecting.
I wasn't projecting. I am not even sure how that word can be applied in this context. I was being serious. Guns have no place in a school. Kids should not need to worry about being shot accidently or otherwise from their educators. Schools are not jails. Unless we are preparing our kids for a life in prison, the teachers do not need to have guns. Just fuck them off. Only a matter of time before some kid with a deathwish wrestles a gun off an unsuspecting teacher or some idiot teacher leaves a gun unlocked in a desk drawer.
I kinda feel sorry for the guy, the false flag people will be threatening him.
Also, I hope anyone who thinks arming teachers is a good idea will just think about it. Even trained people who are used to handling guns make mistakes.
Many people are shot every year with unloaded guns. Doesn't very often happen during a gun safety demonstration by a police officer.
On the whole I think it was a great demonstration of gun safety. But I doubt many will see it that way.
You're callous. People were hurt and could have been killed. Would you still think it was a 'great demonstration' if that was your kid in hospital?
As far as gun safety goes it was a great demonstration, none of those kids will ever forget it. The rule is that there is no such thing as an unloaded gun.
To imply that means I don't care about the kid who got a bullet fragment in the neck is leaping to an unwarranted conclusion, it means no such thing.
Stop projecting.
I wasn't projecting. I am not even sure how that word can be applied in this context. I was being serious. Guns have no place in a school. Kids should not need to worry about being shot accidently or otherwise from their educators. Schools are not jails. Unless we are preparing our kids for a life in prison, the teachers do not need to have guns. Just fuck them off. Only a matter of time before some kid with a deathwish wrestles a gun off an unsuspecting teacher or some idiot teacher leaves a gun unlocked in a desk drawer.
You don't really understand how concealed carry works, do you?
Concealed carry or carrying a concealed weapon, is the practice of carrying a weapon in public in a concealed manner, either on one's person or in close proximity
I kinda feel sorry for the guy, the false flag people will be threatening him.
Also, I hope anyone who thinks arming teachers is a good idea will just think about it. Even trained people who are used to handling guns make mistakes.
Many people are shot every year with unloaded guns. Doesn't very often happen during a gun safety demonstration by a police officer.
On the whole I think it was a great demonstration of gun safety. But I doubt many will see it that way.
You're callous. People were hurt and could have been killed. Would you still think it was a 'great demonstration' if that was your kid in hospital?
As far as gun safety goes it was a great demonstration, none of those kids will ever forget it. The rule is that there is no such thing as an unloaded gun.
To imply that means I don't care about the kid who got a bullet fragment in the neck is leaping to an unwarranted conclusion, it means no such thing.
Stop projecting.
I wasn't projecting. I am not even sure how that word can be applied in this context. I was being serious. Guns have no place in a school. Kids should not need to worry about being shot accidently or otherwise from their educators. Schools are not jails. Unless we are preparing our kids for a life in prison, the teachers do not need to have guns. Just fuck them off. Only a matter of time before some kid with a deathwish wrestles a gun off an unsuspecting teacher or some idiot teacher leaves a gun unlocked in a desk drawer.
You don't really understand how concealed carry works, do you?QuoteConcealed carry or carrying a concealed weapon, is the practice of carrying a weapon in public in a concealed manner, either on one's person or in close proximity
Bottom line - Guns will be in school
I kinda feel sorry for the guy, the false flag people will be threatening him.
Also, I hope anyone who thinks arming teachers is a good idea will just think about it. Even trained people who are used to handling guns make mistakes.
Many people are shot every year with unloaded guns. Doesn't very often happen during a gun safety demonstration by a police officer.
On the whole I think it was a great demonstration of gun safety. But I doubt many will see it that way.
You're callous. People were hurt and could have been killed. Would you still think it was a 'great demonstration' if that was your kid in hospital?
As far as gun safety goes it was a great demonstration, none of those kids will ever forget it. The rule is that there is no such thing as an unloaded gun.
To imply that means I don't care about the kid who got a bullet fragment in the neck is leaping to an unwarranted conclusion, it means no such thing.
Stop projecting.
I wasn't projecting. I am not even sure how that word can be applied in this context. I was being serious. Guns have no place in a school. Kids should not need to worry about being shot accidently or otherwise from their educators. Schools are not jails. Unless we are preparing our kids for a life in prison, the teachers do not need to have guns. Just fuck them off. Only a matter of time before some kid with a deathwish wrestles a gun off an unsuspecting teacher or some idiot teacher leaves a gun unlocked in a desk drawer.
You don't really understand how concealed carry works, do you?QuoteConcealed carry or carrying a concealed weapon, is the practice of carrying a weapon in public in a concealed manner, either on one's person or in close proximity
Bottom line - Guns will be in school
How does one wrestle a concealed weapon away from an unsuspecting teacher if nobody knows who has a firearm and who does not? Does the kid with a death wish just stomp the shit out of every teacher until he finds one with a pistol strapped to his leg? In the area where I live, a high percentage of people often legally carry a concealed weapon and guess what, people are not attack by kids with a death wish trying to take their guns away from them, nor are children's fragile psyches damage by knowing that any grownup around them might be carrying a firearm, nor are properly concealed weapons attacking children randomly. You make the worst arguments against arming teachers.
Guess what, people, including children, are at grocery stores and parks and malls with people who have properly concealed firearms everyday. What is so special about a school that makes children incapable of being around adults who are properly concealing firearms?
Oh, and guess where adults who are otherwise legally allowed to carry a firearm are actually not allowed to carry a firearm? Prisons. So, schools are actually more like prisons right now than they would be if the teachers were armed...
I have never even seen a gun (apart from on police) or ever touched one. Totally happy. Happy that no one else I have ever encountered has had one either.
I have never even seen a gun (apart from on police) or ever touched one. Totally happy. Happy that no one else I have ever encountered has had one either.
So, what do you people do when someone kicks in the front door and starts ransacking your heirlooms? Make sandwiches and help them load their lorry?
Does your government allow you to defend yourself and your property?
If so, how?
I have never even seen a gun (apart from on police) or ever touched one. Totally happy. Happy that no one else I have ever encountered has had one either.
So, what do you people do when someone kicks in the front door and starts ransacking your heirlooms? Make sandwiches and help them load their lorry?
Does your government allow you to defend yourself and your property?
If so, how?
If someone came in my house and making them a sandwich and load their lorry is the only thing that would keep me alive, I'd do it. But in seriousness, I have plenty of sharp 'ornaments' and and am trained (for whatever that would be worth in the heat of the moment) in how to defend myself
Sure, a gun would be sweet, I could blow them away, but giving law abiding people like me a gun would also allow criminals to have a gun. It doesn't make me safer, it just levels the odds in a far more dangerous way that will likely result in someone being killed. If they want to 'get at me' they are going to need far more courage than shooting me in my sleep.
The government allows me to defend my house, property or loved ones using reasonable force. If they happen to die, so be it. Whatever it takes to neutralise the threat is what it takes.
I am disabled.Mentally?
I am disabled.Mentally?
I have never even seen a gun (apart from on police) or ever touched one. Totally happy. Happy that no one else I have ever encountered has had one either.
So, what do you people do when someone kicks in the front door and starts ransacking your heirlooms? Make sandwiches and help them load their lorry?
Does your government allow you to defend yourself and your property?
If so, how?
If someone came in my house and making them a sandwich and load their lorry is the only thing that would keep me alive, I'd do it. But in seriousness, I have plenty of sharp 'ornaments' and and am trained (for whatever that would be worth in the heat of the moment) in how to defend myself
Sure, a gun would be sweet, I could blow them away, but giving law abiding people like me a gun would also allow criminals to have a gun. It doesn't make me safer, it just levels the odds in a far more dangerous way that will likely result in someone being killed. If they want to 'get at me' they are going to need far more courage than shooting me in my sleep.
The government allows me to defend my house, property or loved ones using reasonable force. If they happen to die, so be it. Whatever it takes to neutralise the threat is what it takes.
Guess what, people, including children, are at grocery stores and parks and malls with people who have properly concealed firearms everyday. What is so special about a school that makes children incapable of being around adults who are properly concealing firearms?
Oh, and guess where adults who are otherwise legally allowed to carry a firearm are actually not allowed to carry a firearm? Prisons. So, schools are actually more like prisons right now than they would be if the teachers were armed...
Does your government allow you to defend yourself and your property?
I have never even seen a gun (apart from on police) or ever touched one. Totally happy. Happy that no one else I have ever encountered has had one either.
So, what do you people do when someone kicks in the front door and starts ransacking your heirlooms? Make sandwiches and help them load their lorry?
Does your government allow you to defend yourself and your property?
If so, how?
If someone came in my house and making them a sandwich and load their lorry is the only thing that would keep me alive, I'd do it. But in seriousness, I have plenty of sharp 'ornaments' and and am trained (for whatever that would be worth in the heat of the moment) in how to defend myself
Sure, a gun would be sweet, I could blow them away, but giving law abiding people like me a gun would also allow criminals to have a gun. It doesn't make me safer, it just levels the odds in a far more dangerous way that will likely result in someone being killed. If they want to 'get at me' they are going to need far more courage than shooting me in my sleep.
The government allows me to defend my house, property or loved ones using reasonable force. If they happen to die, so be it. Whatever it takes to neutralise the threat is what it takes.
Would you agree that it takes a person with a gun to neutralize a shooter?
Would you agree that it takes a person with a gun to neutralize a shooter?
Would you agree that it takes a person with a gun to neutralize a shooter?
I think 'neutralize' is an aggressive word. How about 'calm' a shooter?
Would you agree that it takes a person with a gun to neutralize a shooter?
I think 'neutralize' is an aggressive word. How about 'calm' a shooter?
Pop a cap in his ass?
Would you agree that it takes a person with a gun to neutralize a shooter?
I think 'neutralize' is an aggressive word. How about 'calm' a shooter?
Pop a cap in his ass?
You could 'alter his thought process' if you're a really good shot. :o
My government dose not allow me to defend myself.
My government is forbidden to interfere with my natural human right
to protect my life, property and liberty.
Do you know how many "rights" you've given up in order to live inside a society? People decide some rights are worth giving up to protect others and thus laws are made. No one wants to interfere with your right to defend yourself. The issue is with guns. The only explanation I have for the American fixation on guns is the NRA brainwashing you people. What's scary is that people think the right to own guns is so important you can put it above the right to life.
My government dose not allow me to defend myself.
My government is forbidden to interfere with my natural human right
to protect my life, property and liberty.
So hard to understand why so many people don't get this.
I saw it phrased somewhere earlier pretty well: this is probably the only time we've had youth marching in the streets demanding to have their rights taken away. It's scary.
Offering a solution to a problem takes effort.
What is your plan?
Offering a solution to a problem takes effort.
What is your plan?
Some ideas.
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On the subject of arming students, there's another issue with this. There have been instances of teachers flipping out and opening fire at students in the past (don't know if it has happened in America though), makes me worried we'd start seeing incidents like that.Seriously, I don't understand how some people cannot see this. It's so obvious; people tick out every once in a while. And if they have a gun at hand ... umm could end badly!
On the subject of arming students, there's another issue with this. There have been instances of teachers flipping out and opening fire at students in the past (don't know if it has happened in America though), makes me worried we'd start seeing incidents like that.Seriously, I don't understand how some people cannot see this. It's so obvious; people tick out every once in a while. And if they have a gun at hand ... umm could end badly!
The husband of an aunt of mine had a severe depression/burnout. After treatement, he said that if he had a gun with ammo at home, he would have shot himself when he was at his worst mental state (obviously not the same as shooting others, but you get the point).
Anyway, if I have kids one they, I 100% certainly will not let them attend a school with armed teachers and armed personel.
About the 'but I'ma need a gun for protheectinn mah hoome!':
I bet the risk that you shoot someone you actually know (or an unarmed person in general) unintentionally is way higher than you actually stopping a armed robber in your home... Also, you having a gun in your hand makes the risk of you getting shot waaay higher if the robber spots you first.
I'm not sure how you can say on one hand you are the land of the free, but on the other hand have to sleep with a loaded gun each night for protection.
One great thing about America is everyone is also free to not have guns.
Personally I'd shoot anyone who tried to force me to have a gun
I think a few people would.So you'd start shooting people because your grandpa liked guns? Um, I'm not sure I follow...
I mean I would, my grandfather never handed in his guns, he had a semi auto 243 and 22 with a few pistols.
It's a slippery slope giving up freedoms.
It's 4chan logic.I think a few people would.So you'd start shooting people because your grandpa liked guns? Um, I'm not sure I follow...
I mean I would, my grandfather never handed in his guns, he had a semi auto 243 and 22 with a few pistols.
It's a slippery slope giving up freedoms.
I'd shoot people who tried to take my property without my consent, yes.Do you shoot people every time a law you don't like is passed? And I get wanting to defend your family and yourself etc., but your guns? You'd shoot someone because he wants to take your gun? Would you shoot someone for trying to get your fridge or something? Oh wait, bad example, fridges are much more useful and vital than assault rifles.
That's a big part of American culture. Being able to defend yourself, your family and your possessions.
The story about my grandfather is relevant because he was alive during our gun confiscation and disarmament of the civilian population.
The joke is, he'd shoot the officer trying to enforce the law, that had absolutely nothing to do with passing the law and is just trying to enforce the law. And that officer probably has a family at home...I'd shoot people who tried to take my property without my consent, yes.Do you shoot people every time a law you don't like is passed? And I get wanting to defend your family and yourself etc., but your guns? You'd shoot someone because he wants to take your gun? Would you shoot someone for trying to get your fridge or something? Oh wait, bad example, fridges are much more useful and vital than assault rifles.
That's a big part of American culture. Being able to defend yourself, your family and your possessions.
The story about my grandfather is relevant because he was alive during our gun confiscation and disarmament of the civilian population.
Confiscating self defense tools is not as simple as passing a law.You're not the only country with a constitution. This is not a discussion on how feasible it is to pass a law like that and dispute is not american.
It would require a constitutional amendment revoking the second amendment.
There is a prescribed process for that.
Foreigners and ignorant Americans think laws can just be made up on the fly to suit the mood du jour.
Confiscating self defense tools is not as simple as passing a law.You're not the only country with a constitution. This is not a discussion on how feasible it is to pass a law like that and dispute is not american.
It would require a constitutional amendment revoking the second amendment.
There is a prescribed process for that.
Foreigners and ignorant Americans think laws can just be made up on the fly to suit the mood du jour.
Confiscating self defense tools is not as simple as passing a law.You're not the only country with a constitution. This is not a discussion on how feasible it is to pass a law like that and dispute is not american.
It would require a constitutional amendment revoking the second amendment.
There is a prescribed process for that.
Foreigners and ignorant Americans think laws can just be made up on the fly to suit the mood du jour.
Confiscating self defense tools is not as simple as passing a law.You're not the only country with a constitution. This is not a discussion on how feasible it is to pass a law like that and dispute is not american.
It would require a constitutional amendment revoking the second amendment.
There is a prescribed process for that.
Foreigners and ignorant Americans think laws can just be made up on the fly to suit the mood du jour.
To change the American constitution it would take 2/3 of ths states to be on board with it. I doubt that will happen.
I have not read the Constitutions of other nations. I am lazy. Plus I don't care.Typical american attitude.
I have not read the Constitutions of other nations. I am lazy. Plus I don't care.Typical american attitude.
http://www.parliament.am/library/sahmanadrutyunner/Sweden.pdfI have not read the Constitutions of other nations. I am lazy. Plus I don't care.Typical american attitude.
Give me a link to your country's Constitution.
http://www.parliament.am/library/sahmanadrutyunner/Sweden.pdf (http://www.parliament.am/library/sahmanadrutyunner/Sweden.pdf)I have not read the Constitutions of other nations. I am lazy. Plus I don't care.Typical american attitude.
Give me a link to your country's Constitution.
Aw, fuck, it's more than three pages. ;DYou got 24h.
I'll finish reading the document. Like any important document, it can't be digested all at once.
At least I can't consume it in one chunk. Give me a day and a half or three. I think that is fair.
Is there a part that I should pay special attention to?
Also, can you give me a link to your national anthem?
Ours is average, the Marseillaise is awesome.
Aw, fuck, it's more than three pages. ;DYou got 24h.
I'll finish reading the document. Like any important document, it can't be digested all at once.
At least I can't consume it in one chunk. Give me a day and a half or three. I think that is fair.
Is there a part that I should pay special attention to?
Also, can you give me a link to your national anthem?
Ours is average, the Marseillaise is awesome.
Marseillaise is awesome.
http://www.parliament.am/library/sahmanadrutyunner/Sweden.pdfI have not read the Constitutions of other nations. I am lazy. Plus I don't care.Typical american attitude.
Give me a link to your country's Constitution.
Not everyone is an illiterate american.http://www.parliament.am/library/sahmanadrutyunner/Sweden.pdfI have not read the Constitutions of other nations. I am lazy. Plus I don't care.Typical american attitude.
Give me a link to your country's Constitution.
70 goddamn pages! Are you people even allowed to urinate?
70 pages required for dumbing down and explaining everything like you would a baby 5-6 times. I guess Sweden trying to be inclusive of everyone also made sure the constitution of every other poor country is in there do as to avoid looking mean and discriminatoryYou've read it?
I have not read the Constitutions of other nations. I am lazy. Plus I don't care.Yes, that's just like most countries.
Ours has a special set of clauses that specifically limit government's power over the population. Government is specifically forbidden to pass specific laws.
I have not read the Constitutions of other nations. I am lazy. Plus I don't care.Yes, that's just like most countries.
Ours has a special set of clauses that specifically limit government's power over the population. Government is specifically forbidden to pass specific laws.
http://www.parliament.am/library/sahmanadrutyunner/Sweden.pdfI have not read the Constitutions of other nations. I am lazy. Plus I don't care.Typical american attitude.
Give me a link to your country's Constitution.
70 goddamn pages! Are you people even allowed to urinate?
70 pages required for dumbing down and explaining everything like you would a baby 5-6 times. I guess Sweden trying to be inclusive of everyone also made sure the constitution of every other poor country is in there do as to avoid looking mean and discriminatoryYou've read it?
Or is it just some more shittler mental vomit?
I have not read the Constitutions of other nations. I am lazy. Plus I don't care.Typical american attitude.
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Utah.
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Utah.
LOL Deer season open already?
The next president should change the constitution and make guns illegal even for cops. The USA is the only country with School shootings. Want to know why? Guns are legal. Simple right? The founding fathers did not expect us to have an AK-47 or an AR-15. Back then there where only musket guns. If they knew there would be AK-47's or AR-15's they would have prolly not put that into the constitution.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZF1R3dX0AMpX-9.jpg)
Utah.
The next president should change the constitution and make guns illegal even for cops. The USA is the only country with School shootings. Want to know why? Guns are legal. Simple right? The founding fathers did not expect us to have an AK-47 or an AR-15. Back then there where only musket guns. If they knew there would be AK-47's or AR-15's they would have prolly not put that into the constitution.
Second, multi shot firearms existed prior to the constitution. And finally, they had cannons back then.
The next president should change the constitution and make guns illegal even for cops. The USA is the only country with School shootings. Want to know why? Guns are legal. Simple right? The founding fathers did not expect us to have an AK-47 or an AR-15. Back then there where only musket guns. If they knew there would be AK-47's or AR-15's they would have prolly not put that into the constitution.
Second, multi shot firearms existed prior to the constitution. And finally, they had cannons back then.
Technically. But none of those were very portable. The puckle gun was meant to be mounted to a ship.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/22/us/waffle-house-shooting-what-we-know/index.html
Another one. A lot less destruction than usually but still has a few interesting things about it.
First, the shooter was one of those crazy people that tried to jump the gate in the White House. They actually seized his guns but then gave them back because, you know, second amendment. Oh and the shooter was naked.
Second, at some point his gun was having malfunctions and some guy though to himself, "hey, he's going to try to kill me anyways. I'm going to rush this mother fucker." And that's exactly what he did.
I really hope that in a crisis situation I would have done the same thing. I hope I'm not like most people who would have bolted out the door or stayed there and patiently waited for him to kill me. With any luck I won't have to find out.
Wait, he thought Taylor Swift was stalking HIM? Uh... what?This did actually happen to me, so I sympathise.
An American flag harpoon launcher. Take that you damned commie bastards. >:((https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZF1R3dX0AMpX-9.jpg)
Utah.
I want that.
An American flag harpoon launcher. Take that you damned commie bastards. >:((https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZF1R3dX0AMpX-9.jpg)
Utah.
I want that.
I think maybe this is one of those gun control issues both sides could find something to agree upon. If this guy isn't mentally deranged enough to have his gun rights removed, then who is? I realize that if he's captured alive he will be a felon and will lose them, but I mean before. He clearly had a long history of mental illness.
That makes it even dumber.I think maybe this is one of those gun control issues both sides could find something to agree upon. If this guy isn't mentally deranged enough to have his gun rights removed, then who is? I realize that if he's captured alive he will be a felon and will lose them, but I mean before. He clearly had a long history of mental illness.
He already had his firearms removed when he jumped the fence at the White House. SS gave the guns to his father who then gave it back to the shooter.
his father should be in some trouble.This is most likely correct. I don't know if he is in trouble or not, but he probably should be. He was allowed to keep the guns because he qualified as a responsible gun owner. Giving them back to his son or letting his son have access to them was not the actions of a qualified gun owner. The only way he shouldn't be in trouble is if he was storing them in accordance with the law and his son stole them.
They took his guns, but did he lose his right to have them, or was that just temporary? If he'd lost his right to have them, then his father should be in some trouble.
They took his guns, but did he lose his right to have them, or was that just temporary? If he'd lost his right to have them, then his father should be in some trouble.
I imagine if the SS takes your guns when they aren't related to the crime committed, I doubt it's just a time out or something.
They took his guns, but did he lose his right to have them, or was that just temporary? If he'd lost his right to have them, then his father should be in some trouble.
I imagine if the SS takes your guns when they aren't related to the crime committed, I doubt it's just a time out or something.
It doesn't matter who takes the guns away from him at the time, if he wasn't charged with a felony for trying to climb the fence at the WH then he couldn't have lost his right to keep and bear arms.
Confiscating self defense tools is not as simple as passing a law.Depends. Essentially any laws can be passed as long as the judiciary branch doesn't intervene to interpret the laws as unconstitutional during Judicial Review (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_review_in_the_United_States). I suspect any legislation over gun control would get plenty of attention, but the notion of "gun control" has been constantly reaffirmed as constitutional.
It would require a constitutional amendment revoking the second amendment.
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Foreigners and ignorant Americans think laws can just be made up on the fly to suit the mood du jour.
For the record, the second amendment is a single sentence: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
The founders' repeatedly expressed their intent was to create one more check/balance to potentially allow states to overthrow a tyrannical federal government. This is consistent with the first 10 amendments to the Constitution all placing limits on the powers of the new federal government.
Pretty early on, the Supreme Court was forced to settle whether or not the right to bear arms included civilians. Since its earliest ruling, the Supreme Court held that American citizens had no inherent right to bear arms under the Second Ammendment. They officially interpreted the second amendment to extend gun ownership rights to people only under the context of contributing to the common defense against tyranny. Civilians had a civic duty to overthrow a corrupt government. For over 200 years the U.S. Supreme Court consistently ruled that the Second Amendment did not grant individual gun ownership outside the context of a militia. Four distinct occasions mark these rulings:
(Selective v. Total Incorporation - Ongoing series),
(United States vs. Cruikshank 1875),
(Presser v. Illinois 1886),
(United States v. Miller 1939)
This understanding that guns were for only the "common defense" was only overturned recently during the District of Columbia v. Heller case in 2008. It's just this last decade of NRA lobbying that the supreme court started saying that the second amendment grants gun rights for "personal defense".
Confiscating self defense tools is not as simple as passing a law.Depends. Essentially any laws can be passed as long as the judiciary branch doesn't intervene to interpret the laws as unconstitutional during Judicial Review (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_review_in_the_United_States). I suspect any legislation over gun control would get plenty of attention, but the notion of "gun control" has been constantly reaffirmed as constitutional.
It would require a constitutional amendment revoking the second amendment.
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Foreigners and ignorant Americans think laws can just be made up on the fly to suit the mood du jour.
For example, AR-15s and AK-47s were banned from 1994-2004 without any amendments being passed.
Still, we can entertain the hypothetical scenario in which a gun control law was passed that you considered unconstitutional. In that case, then you (as a civilian) could sue the government.*
If the court ruled the legislation was unconstitutional, only then the law would be revoked. Alternatively, if the supreme court didn't conclude the law was unconstitutional, then technically no constitutional amendment was needed. As the first part of my post covers, interpretive constitutional protections of "self defense tools" is extremely new, and is a product of flipping court interpretations-- no amendments needed.
To summarize, whether or not an amendment is needed depends entirely on the specifics of the proposed law and the whims of the judicial interpretation.
*State sovereign immunity (aka the inability to sue the government) does not extend (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_immunity_in_the_United_States#State_actions_in_violation_of_the_US_or_state_Constitution) to cases in which the government is accused of violating the constitution.
The first entry is referencing a series of cases about whether or not the Bill of Rights was selectively applied at the state and local levels of government. In the century after the Bill of rights was ratified, the vast majority of regulation was done by states, and the first case law on weapons regulation dealt with state interpretations of the Second Amendment. 44 states have chosen to explicitly embody a right to bear arms into their state constitutions.(Selective v. Total Incorporation - Expansive Series),The first ruling, to me, reads that private citizens can bar you from being armed on their private property.
Perhaps I should have gone into more detail. I shouldn't expect other people to dig through court notes, but I was just worried that too many citations and explanations would bloat an already long post. The Court Opinion clearly stated the "Second Amendment has no other effect than to restrict the powers of the National Government (https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/92/542.html)" again deferring to the context of the state militias.(United States vs. Cruikshank 1875),The second ruling only mentions that assembling as a militia can be subject to state legislation. It didn't say that citizens don't have individual rights to keep and bear arms.
Evidence?Here (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-five-extra-words-that-can-fix-the-second-amendment/2014/04/11/f8a19578-b8fa-11e3-96ae-f2c36d2b1245_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.c9a710a84d23)'s a John Paul Stevens excerpt (Associate Justice of the SCOTUS 1975-2010) hosted under the Washington Post.
The first entry is referencing a series of cases about whether or not the Bill of Rights was selectively applied at the state and local levels of government. In the century after the Bill of rights was ratified, the vast majority of regulation was done by states, and the first case law on weapons regulation dealt with state interpretations of the Second Amendment. 44 states have chosen to explicitly embody a right to bear arms into their state constitutions.(Selective v. Total Incorporation - Expansive Series),The first ruling, to me, reads that private citizens can bar you from being armed on their private property.
1. As rights of the states interpretations argued, civilians DID NOT have constitutional gun rights and only people on duty in official state militias were granted guns rights.
2. The standard model argued civilians DID have a right to own guns, but only the type of arms that are useful for militia service. 19th-century state supreme court cases frequently referenced the "civilized warfare" test. This is the model that won out.
Examples of those many rulings are here (http://www.davekopel.org/2A/Mags/The-Second-Amendment-Before-the-Supreme-Court.htm).Perhaps I should have gone into more detail. I shouldn't expect other people to dig through court notes, but I was just worried that too many citations and explanations would bloat an already long post. The Court Opinion clearly stated the "Second Amendment has no other effect than to restrict the powers of the National Government (https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/92/542.html)" again deferring to the context of the state militias.(United States vs. Cruikshank 1875),The second ruling only mentions that assembling as a militia can be subject to state legislation. It didn't say that citizens don't have individual rights to keep and bear arms.
Evidence?Here (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-five-extra-words-that-can-fix-the-second-amendment/2014/04/11/f8a19578-b8fa-11e3-96ae-f2c36d2b1245_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.c9a710a84d23)'s a John Paul Stevens excerpt (Associate Justice of the SCOTUS 1975-2010) hosted under the Washington Post.
For good measure, here (https://ammo.com/articles/second-amendment-supreme-court-cases-guide)'s a gun advocate site that sells ammunition. It has this history page, which closely echos my list and condemns the long history of rulings for the same reasons I listed. We are both are pointing to the recent changes in rulings, but this site's motivation is to point out what it deems as "progress".
To use this ruling as evidence the only reason Heller won was because of the NRA spewing propaganda is faulty at best.Don't worry, I wasn't. :)
However, it has been established that the NRA directly backed the lawyers arguing for individual gun rights. NRA lobbying and financial backing certainly went into controlling the outcome of that case.
Ah I meant to say "attempting to control". My mistake.However, it has been established that the NRA directly backed the lawyers arguing for individual gun rights. NRA lobbying and financial backing certainly went into controlling the outcome of that case.
It's quite a leap going from paying lawyer fees to controlling the outcome of a case.
Ah I meant to say "attempting to control". My mistake.However, it has been established that the NRA directly backed the lawyers arguing for individual gun rights. NRA lobbying and financial backing certainly went into controlling the outcome of that case.
It's quite a leap going from paying lawyer fees to controlling the outcome of a case.
Ah I meant to say "attempting to control". My mistake.However, it has been established that the NRA directly backed the lawyers arguing for individual gun rights. NRA lobbying and financial backing certainly went into controlling the outcome of that case.
It's quite a leap going from paying lawyer fees to controlling the outcome of a case.
Lawyers on both sides got paid.
Ah I meant to say "attempting to control". My mistake.However, it has been established that the NRA directly backed the lawyers arguing for individual gun rights. NRA lobbying and financial backing certainly went into controlling the outcome of that case.
It's quite a leap going from paying lawyer fees to controlling the outcome of a case.
Lawyers on both sides got paid.
I wasn't objecting to them getting paid. I was calling attention to the concerted efforts of a vested interest.
Ah I meant to say "attempting to control". My mistake.However, it has been established that the NRA directly backed the lawyers arguing for individual gun rights. NRA lobbying and financial backing certainly went into controlling the outcome of that case.
It's quite a leap going from paying lawyer fees to controlling the outcome of a case.
Lawyers on both sides got paid.
I wasn't objecting to them getting paid. I was calling attention to the concerted efforts of a vested interest.
Which side does not have an interest in the outcome?
I'm sure in a few days there will be hilarious man on the street interviews where they make fun of people for not knowing what the AR in AR-15 stands for.To be fair, I wouldn't really expect too many people to know that the "AR" stands for ArmaLite rifle (for the company that designed it).
https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Shots-fired-at-Santa-Fe-High-School-12925050.phpTurns out the suspected shooter is Greek :-\
Get your thoughts and prayers ready people.
Well that is surprising.https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Shots-fired-at-Santa-Fe-High-School-12925050.phpTurns out the suspected shooter is Greek :-\
Get your thoughts and prayers ready people.
I've got to say these people brandishing AR-15's are looking pretty sick to me. I can't look at that particular gun without thinking of all of the children its been used to massacre.
I've got to say these people brandishing AR-15's are looking pretty sick to me. I can't look at that particular gun without thinking of all of the children its been used to massacre.
Well, thankfully for you, he used a shotgun and a revolver, thus disproving the myth that only rifles similar to the AR can be used to cause this much damage.
I have only one word for the USA. Buyback.
Disclaimer: I used to go duck shooting and fox hunting in my younger days, (I live in a rural area) and go with some friends to shoot every so often at a local pistol range. I'm not anti-gun, I just think some Americans don't have the psychological stability or temperament to have access to a firearm.
If you own a firearm in Australia, you must keep it in a locked approved firearms safe, and ammunition stored and secured separately. A condition of the license is that the police have the right to enter you home at any time to ensure you are in compliance.
I have only one word for the USA. Buyback.
Disclaimer: I used to go duck shooting and fox hunting in my younger days, (I live in a rural area) and go with some friends to shoot every so often at a local pistol range. I'm not anti-gun, I just think some Americans don't have the psychological stability or temperament to have access to a firearm.
If you own a firearm in Australia, you must keep it in a locked approved firearms safe, and ammunition stored and secured separately. A condition of the license is that the police have the right to enter you home at any time to ensure you are in compliance.
A buyback may work when theres at most 2 million guns in a culture that doesn't view firearms as a fundamental right, but you're talking about over 400 million guns and a culture where whether agree or disagree with it, views guns as important as free speech. Buybacks have tried and failed miserably over here.
I have only one word for the USA. Buyback.
Disclaimer: I used to go duck shooting and fox hunting in my younger days, (I live in a rural area) and go with some friends to shoot every so often at a local pistol range. I'm not anti-gun, I just think some Americans don't have the psychological stability or temperament to have access to a firearm.
If you own a firearm in Australia, you must keep it in a locked approved firearms safe, and ammunition stored and secured separately. A condition of the license is that the police have the right to enter you home at any time to ensure you are in compliance.
A buyback may work when theres at most 2 million guns in a culture that doesn't view firearms as a fundamental right, but you're talking about over 400 million guns and a culture where whether agree or disagree with it, views guns as important as free speech. Buybacks have tried and failed miserably over here.
You need a politician with the guts to take on the gun lobby. Maybe start with a referendum on the second amendment.
There were 10,204 civillans killed in Syria in 2017, http://www.iamsyria.org/syrian-conflict-in-2017.html
Care to guess how many gun deaths in the USA for the same period.
I have only one word for the USA. Buyback.
Disclaimer: I used to go duck shooting and fox hunting in my younger days, (I live in a rural area) and go with some friends to shoot every so often at a local pistol range. I'm not anti-gun, I just think some Americans don't have the psychological stability or temperament to have access to a firearm.
If you own a firearm in Australia, you must keep it in a locked approved firearms safe, and ammunition stored and secured separately. A condition of the license is that the police have the right to enter you home at any time to ensure you are in compliance.
A buyback may work when theres at most 2 million guns in a culture that doesn't view firearms as a fundamental right, but you're talking about over 400 million guns and a culture where whether agree or disagree with it, views guns as important as free speech. Buybacks have tried and failed miserably over here.
You need a politician with the guts to take on the gun lobby. Maybe start with a referendum on the second amendment.
There were 10,204 civillans killed in Syria in 2017, http://www.iamsyria.org/syrian-conflict-in-2017.html
Care to guess how many gun deaths in the USA for the same period.
The gun lobby is millions of law abiding citizens. And there were around 30,000 gun deaths in the US however, 60% of those deaths were suicides (completely avoidable), and most of the homicides were in states and cities with strict gun laws. Plus the US is a whole lot bigger than Syria.
I have only one word for the USA. Buyback.
Disclaimer: I used to go duck shooting and fox hunting in my younger days, (I live in a rural area) and go with some friends to shoot every so often at a local pistol range. I'm not anti-gun, I just think some Americans don't have the psychological stability or temperament to have access to a firearm.
If you own a firearm in Australia, you must keep it in a locked approved firearms safe, and ammunition stored and secured separately. A condition of the license is that the police have the right to enter you home at any time to ensure you are in compliance.
A buyback may work when theres at most 2 million guns in a culture that doesn't view firearms as a fundamental right, but you're talking about over 400 million guns and a culture where whether agree or disagree with it, views guns as important as free speech. Buybacks have tried and failed miserably over here.
You need a politician with the guts to take on the gun lobby. Maybe start with a referendum on the second amendment.
There were 10,204 civillans killed in Syria in 2017, http://www.iamsyria.org/syrian-conflict-in-2017.html
Care to guess how many gun deaths in the USA for the same period.
The gun lobby is millions of law abiding citizens. And there were around 30,000 gun deaths in the US however, 60% of those deaths were suicides (completely avoidable), and most of the homicides were in states and cities with strict gun laws. Plus the US is a whole lot bigger than Syria.
That's true America is bigger than Syria. But, to take your first point, I think gun owners are the in the minority in the US. I think I saw a figure like 3%.
What side would be likely to win in a referendum on the 2nd amendment? Given that a fair number of the 97% who don't own a gun, would still support the right for others to own a gun, I'd think it's still likely the gun lobby would lose.
The gun lobby is millions of law abiding citizens.Actually, the gun lobby is mostly gun manufacturers. Most of the millions of law abiding gun owners favor common sense gun regulations that terrify the gun lobby.
you're talking about over 400 million guns and a culture where whether agree or disagree with it, views guns as important as free speech.Which is why you can't have nice things.
Ban all Greeks and put the Helenic Republic on the terrorist watch list.Heiwa was one step ahead of everyone when he called me a terrorist. He is vindicated now.
You can own your own personal tank in the US.
You can own your own personal tank in the US.Well, yeah, but at least people haven't gotten to the point they feel it's necessary to save up for them.
I'm just imagining jroa typing out this post while his neighboor is trying to tear down his wall using his tank.You can own your own personal tank in the US.
Wow, you must live in a rough neighborhood?
You can own your own personal tank in the US.
No one, the legislation was there before tanks were a thing.You can own your own personal tank in the US.
Who's the genius who legislated that?
Like, yeah our citizens definitely need tanks.
I have only one word for the USA. Buyback.
Disclaimer: I used to go duck shooting and fox hunting in my younger days, (I live in a rural area) and go with some friends to shoot every so often at a local pistol range. I'm not anti-gun, I just think some Americans don't have the psychological stability or temperament to have access to a firearm.
If you own a firearm in Australia, you must keep it in a locked approved firearms safe, and ammunition stored and secured separately. A condition of the license is that the police have the right to enter you home at any time to ensure you are in compliance.
A buyback may work when theres at most 2 million guns in a culture that doesn't view firearms as a fundamental right, but you're talking about over 400 million guns and a culture where whether agree or disagree with it, views guns as important as free speech. Buybacks have tried and failed miserably over here.
You need a politician with the guts to take on the gun lobby. Maybe start with a referendum on the second amendment.
There were 10,204 civillans killed in Syria in 2017, http://www.iamsyria.org/syrian-conflict-in-2017.html
Care to guess how many gun deaths in the USA for the same period.
The gun lobby is millions of law abiding citizens. And there were around 30,000 gun deaths in the US however, 60% of those deaths were suicides (completely avoidable), and most of the homicides were in states and cities with strict gun laws. Plus the US is a whole lot bigger than Syria.
That's true America is bigger than Syria. But, to take your first point, I think gun owners are the in the minority in the US. I think I saw a figure like 3%.
What side would be likely to win in a referendum on the 2nd amendment? Given that a fair number of the 97% who don't own a gun, would still support the right for others to own a gun, I'd think it's still likely the gun lobby would lose.
The gun lobby is millions of law abiding citizens.Actually, the gun lobby is mostly gun manufacturers. Most of the millions of law abiding gun owners favor common sense gun regulations that terrify the gun lobby.
And Russia. Don't forget Russia.
Those for gun control had their chance with the Obama Administration. Yet they failed to to change much.
Those for gun control had their chance with the Obama Administration. Yet they failed to to change much.
Not really, the republicans blocked pretty much everything.
Then the first thing that Trump did was to remove the Obama regulation that stopped mentally unfit people from buying guns.
In any case, "what-about-ism" is a weak and stupid way to argue. I'm sure you can find a better more relevant argument.Haven't been following the news lately so I can't comment on what Ryan won't allow and why
Which brings me to the fact that the republicans currently have absolute control, and are doing nothing. Ryan won't even allow the congress to vote on a bill for stronger background checks.
He won't allow it because he knows it will pass, and that's going to piss off the NRA. He's in their pocket. Money talks, whether it comes from Russia or not.
Do you have a source I can read for this "Obama added people who had someone else do their finances as mentally ill. President Trump reversed that portion."?
Do you have a source I can read for this "Obama added people who had someone else do their finances as mentally ill. President Trump reversed that portion."?
Do you have a source I can read for this "Obama added people who had someone else do their finances as mentally ill. President Trump reversed that portion."?
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/no-gop-did-not-just-repeal-background-check-system-or-give-guns-mentally-ill/
I'm on vacation right now so my google fu isn't at its best.
Okay, but if you have to have help with your finances due to a mental impairment, why shouldn't you have to jump through an extra hoop to buy a gun? I mean, you're not likely to kill anyone with your light bill.
A firearm is just a convenient and effective tool for turning live people into dead people.
Knifes, poison and baseball bats are also readily available and viable tools.
The problem is not the method, it is the motivation.
There is no firearm restriction that will prevent anyone from murdering people.
Seriously? Make your research. In the US, homicide rates in general are seven times higher than the highest rates in any developed country.
I definitely don't think it's 7 times higher and I'm not sure it's the highest,but he did say "developed countries". That 6.2 includes shithole countries.
Seriously? Make your research. In the US, homicide rates in general are seven times higher than the highest rates in any developed country.
According to a 2013 report by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC), between 2005 and 2012, the average homicide rate in the U.S. was 4.9 per 100,000 inhabitants compared to the average rate globally, which was 6.2.
A firearm is just a convenient and effective tool for turning live people into dead people.But that is exactly the problem. It's VERY convenient.
A firearm is just a convenient and effective tool for turning live people into dead people.
But that is exactly the problem. It's VERY convenient.
There is no firearm restriction that will prevent anyone from murdering people.No, firearms restrictions won't prevent anyone from murdering people, but it could slow some of them down a bit.
There is no firearm restriction that will prevent anyone from murdering people.No, firearms restrictions won't prevent anyone from murdering people, but it could slow some of them down a bit.
There is no firearm restriction that will prevent anyone from murdering people.No, firearms restrictions won't prevent anyone from murdering people, but it could slow some of them down a bit.
By making firearms less convenient.There is no firearm restriction that will prevent anyone from murdering people.No, firearms restrictions won't prevent anyone from murdering people, but it could slow some of them down a bit.
How?
By making firearms less convenient.There is no firearm restriction that will prevent anyone from murdering people.No, firearms restrictions won't prevent anyone from murdering people, but it could slow some of them down a bit.
How?
By making firearms less convenient.There is no firearm restriction that will prevent anyone from murdering people.No, firearms restrictions won't prevent anyone from murdering people, but it could slow some of them down a bit.
How?
I typed "How?" because I'm lazy.
I should have typed "How would you do that?".
You might be stunned to know that there is a direct correlation between the number of guns and the number of people shot with guns.
You might be stunned to know that there is a direct correlation between the number of guns and the number of people shot with guns.
So, if every firearm owner had twice as many firearms the number of people shot would double?
For example, a 2013 study, led by a Boston University School of Public Health researcher, found that, after controlling for multiple variables, each percentage point increase in gun ownership correlated with a roughly 0.9 percent rise in the firearm homicide rate.
QuoteFor example, a 2013 study, led by a Boston University School of Public Health researcher, found that, after controlling for multiple variables, each percentage point increase in gun ownership correlated with a roughly 0.9 percent rise in the firearm homicide rate.
QuoteFor example, a 2013 study, led by a Boston University School of Public Health researcher, found that, after controlling for multiple variables, each percentage point increase in gun ownership correlated with a roughly 0.9 percent rise in the firearm homicide rate.
Homicide in not murder.
QuoteFor example, a 2013 study, led by a Boston University School of Public Health researcher, found that, after controlling for multiple variables, each percentage point increase in gun ownership correlated with a roughly 0.9 percent rise in the firearm homicide rate.
Homicide in not murder.
QuoteFor example, a 2013 study, led by a Boston University School of Public Health researcher, found that, after controlling for multiple variables, each percentage point increase in gun ownership correlated with a roughly 0.9 percent rise in the firearm homicide rate.
Homicide in not murder.
What's the difference?
QuoteFor example, a 2013 study, led by a Boston University School of Public Health researcher, found that, after controlling for multiple variables, each percentage point increase in gun ownership correlated with a roughly 0.9 percent rise in the firearm homicide rate.
Homicide in not murder.
What's the difference?
Murder is what someone tries to do to you.
Homicide is how you mitigate the situation.
Murder is a crime.
Homicide is not a crime.
Increased Homocide rate means more people got shot and killed.
Increased Homocide rate means more people got shot and killed.
Heart attack, choking on a McDonald's happy meal toy, stroke, homicide, falling into a chipper/shredder are all causes of death.
Increased homicide rate means an increase in death caused by humans, not an increase in people who die of firearm injury.
Should I have highlighted the word "firearm" for you?
Should I have highlighted the word "firearm" for you?
Do you think I would have noticed or cared? ;D
He is right, homicide and murder isn't the same thing. Homicide is just the act of a human killing another human. It includes manslaughter, self defense, involuntary manslaughter, war, etc.QuoteFor example, a 2013 study, led by a Boston University School of Public Health researcher, found that, after controlling for multiple variables, each percentage point increase in gun ownership correlated with a roughly 0.9 percent rise in the firearm homicide rate.
Homicide in not murder.
What
He is right, homicide and murder isn't the same thing. Homicide is just the act of a human killing another human. It includes manslaughter, self defense, involuntary manslaughter, war, etc.QuoteFor example, a 2013 study, led by a Boston University School of Public Health researcher, found that, after controlling for multiple variables, each percentage point increase in gun ownership correlated with a roughly 0.9 percent rise in the firearm homicide rate.
Homicide in not murder.
What
That is assuming correlation is causation. Perhaps that correlation just shows that people who love to shoot and think it's the solution to every problem happen to have more guns. In that case, legislating that they must have fewer guns won't necessarily help much.He is right, homicide and murder isn't the same thing. Homicide is just the act of a human killing another human. It includes manslaughter, self defense, involuntary manslaughter, war, etc.QuoteFor example, a 2013 study, led by a Boston University School of Public Health researcher, found that, after controlling for multiple variables, each percentage point increase in gun ownership correlated with a roughly 0.9 percent rise in the firearm homicide rate.
Homicide in not murder.
What
I think we already covered that distraction. Murder is always homicide, homicide is not always murder. I could draw a venn diagram if you like.
The research shows a direct correlation between rates of firearm homicides and rates of gun ownership. As to why the moose went off about murder? I guess it was just a derailing tactic to divert attention.
The fact remains the USA has a gun problem, that they seem strangely unable to understand.
The solution is simply to reduce the number of guns to a civilized level. However it will never happen with the gun lobby owning all the politicians.
Murder is always homicide,I didn't say it isn't...
That is assuming correlation is causation. Perhaps that correlation just shows that people who love to shoot and think it's the solution to every problem happen to have more guns. In that case, legislating that they must have fewer guns won't necessarily help much.He is right, homicide and murder isn't the same thing. Homicide is just the act of a human killing another human. It includes manslaughter, self defense, involuntary manslaughter, war, etc.QuoteFor example, a 2013 study, led by a Boston University School of Public Health researcher, found that, after controlling for multiple variables, each percentage point increase in gun ownership correlated with a roughly 0.9 percent rise in the firearm homicide rate.
Homicide in not murder.
What
I think we already covered that distraction. Murder is always homicide, homicide is not always murder. I could draw a venn diagram if you like.
The research shows a direct correlation between rates of firearm homicides and rates of gun ownership. As to why the moose went off about murder? I guess it was just a derailing tactic to divert attention.
The fact remains the USA has a gun problem, that they seem strangely unable to understand.
The solution is simply to reduce the number of guns to a civilized level. However it will never happen with the gun lobby owning all the politicians.
Murder is always homicide,I didn't say it isn't...
He is right, homicide and murder isn't the same thing. Homicide is just the act of a human killing another human. It includes manslaughter, self defense, involuntary manslaughter, war, etc.
By making firearms less convenient.There is no firearm restriction that will prevent anyone from murdering people.No, firearms restrictions won't prevent anyone from murdering people, but it could slow some of them down a bit.
How?
I typed "How?" because I'm lazy.
I should have typed "How would you do that?".
You might be stunned to know that there is a direct correlation between the number of guns and the number of people shot with guns.
Putting it another way, it's harder to shoot someone if you don't have a gun. I thought it was obvious.
By making firearms less convenient.There is no firearm restriction that will prevent anyone from murdering people.No, firearms restrictions won't prevent anyone from murdering people, but it could slow some of them down a bit.
How?
I typed "How?" because I'm lazy.
I should have typed "How would you do that?".
You might be stunned to know that there is a direct correlation between the number of guns and the number of people shot with guns.
Putting it another way, it's harder to shoot someone if you don't have a gun. I thought it was obvious.
If that's the case then why do we have a decreasing violent crime rate yet gun sales are rising?
After the shooting at Santa Fe High School students will not be allowed to carry backpacks on Polk County campuses this week.
By making firearms less convenient.There is no firearm restriction that will prevent anyone from murdering people.No, firearms restrictions won't prevent anyone from murdering people, but it could slow some of them down a bit.
How?
I typed "How?" because I'm lazy.
I should have typed "How would you do that?".
You might be stunned to know that there is a direct correlation between the number of guns and the number of people shot with guns.
Putting it another way, it's harder to shoot someone if you don't have a gun. I thought it was obvious.
If that's the case then why do we have a decreasing violent crime rate yet gun sales are rising?
The discussion is not about violent crime, it's about gun deaths. People murdered by firearms has dropped since the mid 1990's, It dropped from 7 per 100,000 to around 3 per 100,000 but the total gun related deaths is still a total of around 9 per 100,000 which includes suicides. The rate of gun ownership went up from 0.94 to 1.45 guns per person from 1993 to 2013
It still goes againts the premise that more guns equal more crime or gun deaths.
But more crazed gun culture.That is assuming correlation is causation. Perhaps that correlation just shows that people who love to shoot and think it's the solution to every problem happen to have more guns. In that case, legislating that they must have fewer guns won't necessarily help much.He is right, homicide and murder isn't the same thing. Homicide is just the act of a human killing another human. It includes manslaughter, self defense, involuntary manslaughter, war, etc.QuoteFor example, a 2013 study, led by a Boston University School of Public Health researcher, found that, after controlling for multiple variables, each percentage point increase in gun ownership correlated with a roughly 0.9 percent rise in the firearm homicide rate.
Homicide in not murder.
What
I think we already covered that distraction. Murder is always homicide, homicide is not always murder. I could draw a venn diagram if you like.
The research shows a direct correlation between rates of firearm homicides and rates of gun ownership. As to why the moose went off about murder? I guess it was just a derailing tactic to divert attention.
The fact remains the USA has a gun problem, that they seem strangely unable to understand.
The solution is simply to reduce the number of guns to a civilized level. However it will never happen with the gun lobby owning all the politicians.
Oliver North thinks it's due to ADHD and ritalin. In the case of Santa Fe School shooting, the shooter was rejected and embarrassed in front of his class by a girl he had propositioned, the example SCG cited was a guy pissed off by noisy neighboring kids.
None of these things are unique to the USA. Mind boggling numbers of guns and crazed gun culture is mostly unique to America.
It still goes againts the premise that more guns equal more crime or gun deaths.
Not really. There must be a saturation point somewhere, the argument still holds.
What's your explanation for the following?
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Most of the deaths are suicides which are completely avoidable. Also most homicides are concentrated mostly in states and cities with strict gun laws and high poverty. It's actually not doing the US justice to compare such a large country with diverse demographics and laws for each state to a mostly homogeneous country such as Germany. BTW Switzerland has more guns than the UK yet the UK has more murders IIRC than Switzerland. A better comparison would be to compare a state like Texas to a similar size country in both size and population like say France and compare and contrast the difference.
Also most homicides are concentrated mostly in states and cities with strict gun lawsWhy are people still bringing up that argument? It's not even true and it still missee the point.
Also most homicides are concentrated mostly in states and cities with strict gun laws
Why are people still bringing up that argument? It's not even true and it still missee the point.
Most of the deaths are suicides which are completely avoidable. Also most homicides are concentrated mostly in states and cities with strict gun laws and high poverty. It's actually not doing the US justice to compare such a large country with diverse demographics and laws for each state to a mostly homogeneous country such as Germany. BTW Switzerland has more guns than the UK yet the UK has more murders IIRC than Switzerland. A better comparison would be to compare a state like Texas to a similar size country in both size and population like say France and compare and contrast the difference.
Strict gun laws or not, they're still waaaaaaay loser than european laws.
What's the point in comparing Switzerland to UK, one's murder rate may be higher than the other but since the gun ownership is so low, it's very likely not related to guns.
I disagree in comparing just a state to France for example because US laws apply to all it's states. I agree that saying "US had X deaths in December, UK had Y" and that doesn't make justice with big diffrences in population, but percentage and per 100.000 stats are still valid.
Also most homicides are concentrated mostly in states and cities with strict gun lawsWhy are people still bringing up that argument? It's not even true and it still missee the point.
Also stop acting as though anyone thinks the ONLY factor for high rates of violent crime is guns. No one acts like it is.
The swisstards may have firearms, but they have it because of military, meaning they have no ammo at home. Can't compare that to situations in other countries.
It's not true because... It's just not. I think I made a post a few months ago that compared the stats, it's just false. The rates are about the same. Also a lot of these states implemented strict gun laws BECAUSE they had such high rates of crime. And it's not just the legislation. It's also the gun culture of the US, even in states with more strict laws, which is constantly reinforced by the NRA abd gun manufacturers and is just getting worse and worse. The NRA is probably the most dangerous organization in the US right now.Also most homicides are concentrated mostly in states and cities with strict gun lawsWhy are people still bringing up that argument? It's not even true and it still missee the point.
How is it not true and what point am I missing?QuoteAlso stop acting as though anyone thinks the ONLY factor for high rates of violent crime is guns. No one acts like it is.
However people are acting as though it's a main factor.
The swisstards may have firearms, but they have it because of military, meaning they have no ammo at home. Can't compare that to situations in other countries.
If I remember correctly, Everybody in the Swiss Army is also issued with ammo.
The swisstards may have firearms, but they have it because of military, meaning they have no ammo at home. Can't compare that to situations in other countries.
If I remember correctly, Everybody in the Swiss Army is also issued with ammo.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/05/16/resource-officer-prevents-possible-school-shooting-after-man-brings-gun-to-illinois-high-school.html
It's kind of funny how this isn't being reported nearly as much as the recent school shooting. It's almost like it doesn't fit the narrative that guns are evil and should be destroyed.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/05/16/resource-officer-prevents-possible-school-shooting-after-man-brings-gun-to-illinois-high-school.html
It's kind of funny how this isn't being reported nearly as much as the recent school shooting. It's almost like it doesn't fit the narrative that guns are evil and should be destroyed.
Well obviously. People not getting murdered at school isn't supposed to be newsworthy.
One less gun and he wouldn't have even had to use his. And yeah, why would they make a big deal out of a shooting that DIDN'T happen, compared to shootings with multiple dead victims? What kind of stupid argument is that?http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/05/16/resource-officer-prevents-possible-school-shooting-after-man-brings-gun-to-illinois-high-school.html
It's kind of funny how this isn't being reported nearly as much as the recent school shooting. It's almost like it doesn't fit the narrative that guns are evil and should be destroyed.
Well obviously. People not getting murdered at school isn't supposed to be newsworthy.
Yeah, but it was a GUN that saved lives.
One less gun and he wouldn't have even had to use his. And yeah, why would they make a big deal out of a shooting that DIDN'T happen, compared to shootings with multiple dead victims? What kind of stupid argument is that?http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/05/16/resource-officer-prevents-possible-school-shooting-after-man-brings-gun-to-illinois-high-school.html
It's kind of funny how this isn't being reported nearly as much as the recent school shooting. It's almost like it doesn't fit the narrative that guns are evil and should be destroyed.
Well obviously. People not getting murdered at school isn't supposed to be newsworthy.
Yeah, but it was a GUN that saved lives.
One less gun and he wouldn't have even had to use his. And yeah, why would they make a big deal out of a shooting that DIDN'T happen, compared to shootings with multiple dead victims? What kind of stupid argument is that?http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/05/16/resource-officer-prevents-possible-school-shooting-after-man-brings-gun-to-illinois-high-school.html
It's kind of funny how this isn't being reported nearly as much as the recent school shooting. It's almost like it doesn't fit the narrative that guns are evil and should be destroyed.
Well obviously. People not getting murdered at school isn't supposed to be newsworthy.
Yeah, but it was a GUN that saved lives.
The point is that is doesn't further the anti-gun narrative so the MSM is conveniently ignoring it. If that resource officer wasn't there who knows how many would have been shot and/or killed.
The point is that is doesn't further the anti-gun narrative so the MSM is conveniently ignoring it. If that resource officer wasn't there who knows how many would have been shot and/or killed.
The point is that is doesn't further the anti-gun narrative so the MSM is conveniently ignoring it. If that resource officer wasn't there who knows how many would have been shot and/or killed.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/16/us/illinois-dixon-high-school-shooting/index.html
https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/officer-hailed-a-hero-for-stopping-gunman-at-illinois-high-school-1235517507895
moron
Yeah keep pretending, we all know that ':D' is a smile of PAIN!The point is that is doesn't further the anti-gun narrative so the MSM is conveniently ignoring it. If that resource officer wasn't there who knows how many would have been shot and/or killed.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/16/us/illinois-dixon-high-school-shooting/index.html
https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/officer-hailed-a-hero-for-stopping-gunman-at-illinois-high-school-1235517507895
moron
If I had feelings they'd be hurt :D
Yeah keep pretending, we all know that ':D' is a smile of PAIN!The point is that is doesn't further the anti-gun narrative so the MSM is conveniently ignoring it. If that resource officer wasn't there who knows how many would have been shot and/or killed.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/16/us/illinois-dixon-high-school-shooting/index.html
https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/officer-hailed-a-hero-for-stopping-gunman-at-illinois-high-school-1235517507895
moron
If I had feelings they'd be hurt :D
The swisstards may have firearms, but they have it because of military, meaning they have no ammo at home. Can't compare that to situations in other countries.
If I remember correctly, Everybody in the Swiss Army is also issued with ammo.
Switzerland is an interesting country. They used to keep the ammo but after a few incidents involving firearms ways are changing. Gun control is becoming much more strict.
It's kind of interesting how little it took for them to change their gun laws. Our schools are more dangerous than our war zones and we do exactly nothing.
The point is that is doesn't further the anti-gun narrative so the MSM is conveniently ignoring it. If that resource officer wasn't there who knows how many would have been shot and/or killed.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/16/us/illinois-dixon-high-school-shooting/index.html
https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/officer-hailed-a-hero-for-stopping-gunman-at-illinois-high-school-1235517507895
moron
Why would they? That makes no sense.The point is that is doesn't further the anti-gun narrative so the MSM is conveniently ignoring it. If that resource officer wasn't there who knows how many would have been shot and/or killed.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/16/us/illinois-dixon-high-school-shooting/index.html
https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/officer-hailed-a-hero-for-stopping-gunman-at-illinois-high-school-1235517507895
moron
And are they still covering the story like they are with the Santa Fe shooting?
Actually, your stat speaks more to how modern warfare is becoming more safe rather than how our schools are becoming less safe, first of all. You're more likely to win the lottery twice than to be killed in a school shooting.
That also means you're more likely to win the lottery more than twice than to die in a battlefield. Secondly, the reason why you're less likely to die in the battlefield is because soldiers can shoot back, as opposed to being trapped in a confined space with no or futile means to defend yourself. Finally, way more people die from texting and driving, yet we don't see a #marchforourlives with thousands protesting government to do something about it.What kind of stupid argument is that? Have you ever protested anything? If yes, it probably was less important, according to your argument, than the people who die because of texting and driving, so you should stop protesting whatever you were protesting and protested texting and driving instead. Why do people feel this need to throw false equivalencies all over the place every time this subject comes up?
Why would they? That makes no sense.The point is that is doesn't further the anti-gun narrative so the MSM is conveniently ignoring it. If that resource officer wasn't there who knows how many would have been shot and/or killed.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/16/us/illinois-dixon-high-school-shooting/index.html
https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/officer-hailed-a-hero-for-stopping-gunman-at-illinois-high-school-1235517507895
moron
And are they still covering the story like they are with the Santa Fe shooting?
Actually, your stat speaks more to how modern warfare is becoming more safe rather than how our schools are becoming less safe, first of all. You're more likely to win the lottery twice than to be killed in a school shooting.
Oh gee, that's comforting. How about saying that approximately 1 in 1000 public schools have been shot up since Sandy Hook?
QuoteThat also means you're more likely to win the lottery more than twice than to die in a battlefield. Secondly, the reason why you're less likely to die in the battlefield is because soldiers can shoot back, as opposed to being trapped in a confined space with no or futile means to defend yourself. Finally, way more people die from texting and driving, yet we don't see a #marchforourlives with thousands protesting government to do something about it.What kind of stupid argument is that? Have you ever protested anything?
If yes, it probably was less important, according to your argument, than the people who die because of texting and driving, so you should stop protesting whatever you were protesting and protested texting and driving instead. Why do people feel this need to throw false equivalencies all over the place every time this subject comes up?
The argument was that the media isn't covering the shooting that was stopped by an armed person the way the Santa Fe shooting was. Totes replied with two articles "disproving" the original claim. In, my opinion, the original poster wasn't claiming that the media wasn't covering the other incident at all, but not as frequent as the Santa Fe shooting. Thus my question. Are they covering the story like they are with the Santa Fe shooting?
Still doesn't change the frequency. If I told you that 2 in 1,000 people wins the lottery, does that make you more likely to win than if I said the statistic in a different fashion?
The argument is we need to restrict (or as some of the rally leaders and protesters stated outright ban) gun ownership because too many children are dying. Which, if that was their true intent, then there are far more things that kill way more children that are the cause of human nature, such as texting and driving.Oh really? Like, protest for laws that prohibit texting and driving, or set up campaigns that raise awareness for how dangerous texting and driving is? Oh wait, these laws and campaigns already exist. But there's only so much a government can do to restrict the irresponsible behaviour of some people. When it comes to guns however and the subject of school shootings in general, it hardly does ANYTHING substantial to restrict this behaviour, and it's because of people like you who keep distracting from the issue to go on tirades about how they should be talking about something else and disregard the fact that school shootings are an epidemic in the US and schools are no longer an environment where children can feel safe and learn.
For my part, I can't remember a single school shooting in my country in my lifetime. Also can't remember any in the neighbour countries to be honest. Kinda seems like a 'murican problem to me. But whatever, I mean it's your constitutional right to buy guns in wallmart, so it's all good.Wikipedia has a list of all school shootings in Europe ever. I counted 28. About how many happen in USA within half a year. To be absolutely fair, I don't think it's JUST the gun laws. It's also the gun culture, and it probably also has to do with the school system and culture there. It's a weird phenomenon.
I think that it's more than just gun culture. I think it's more of a culture of violence in general. What can you expect when you record your history by the wars you've fought and your action heroes are graded by their body counts?For my part, I can't remember a single school shooting in my country in my lifetime. Also can't remember any in the neighbour countries to be honest. Kinda seems like a 'murican problem to me. But whatever, I mean it's your constitutional right to buy guns in wallmart, so it's all good.Wikipedia has a list of all school shootings in Europe ever. I counted 28. About how many happen in USA within half a year. To be absolutely fair, I don't think it's JUST the gun laws. It's also the gun culture, and it probably also has to do with the school system and culture there. It's a weird phenomenon.
The argument was that the media isn't covering the shooting that was stopped by an armed person the way the Santa Fe shooting was. Totes replied with two articles "disproving" the original claim. In, my opinion, the original poster wasn't claiming that the media wasn't covering the other incident at all, but not as frequent as the Santa Fe shooting. Thus my question. Are they covering the story like they are with the Santa Fe shooting?
No, Wesker literally said they weren't covering it. And my question is, why WOULD they be covering it the same way, as a story where so many children died? Isn't it obvious that these stories wouldn't be covered the same way, regardless of bias?
I could just as easily say that you intentionally make it sound like it's more of a problem than it actually is.QuoteStill doesn't change the frequency. If I told you that 2 in 1,000 people wins the lottery, does that make you more likely to win than if I said the statistic in a different fashion?
No, but you intentionally make it sound like it's less of a problem than it actually is.
Do you know how many schools have been shot up in my country in my lifetime? 1 (there was an incident in 2009 where someone shot at 3 people, thankfully no one died except himself, but that was in a vocational college, not sure if it counts). 2018 has barely started and you have had 17 school shootings with multiple fatalities. Yes, the US has a population about 20 times larger. But the math is pretty simple, and there is still no comparison in the frequency. If that trend continues (and not only does it continue but it gets more frequent), given that within 5 years about 1 in 1000 schools have been shot up, the same incident doesn't usually happen on the same school twice, you go to a school that hasn't already been shot up and most children spend at least 12 years at school, I think you can see that the odds of your school being shot up and you experiencing trauma as a result are A LOT higher than winning the lottery twice, even if you don't die.
Yeah, a hard to read sign passing by or a minute long commercial here and there or if you go on a police department's facebook page or program. That's not the same as media pundits going on for hours at a time about how dangerous texting and driving is or giant rallies raising awareness about the dangers.QuoteThe argument is we need to restrict (or as some of the rally leaders and protesters stated outright ban) gun ownership because too many children are dying. Which, if that was their true intent, then there are far more things that kill way more children that are the cause of human nature, such as texting and driving.Oh really? Like, protest for laws that prohibit texting and driving, or set up campaigns that raise awareness for how dangerous texting and driving is? Oh wait, these laws and campaigns already exist.
But there's only so much a government can do to restrict the irresponsible behaviour of some people. When it comes to guns however and the subject of school shootings in general, it hardly does ANYTHING substantial to restrict this behaviour, and it's because of people like you who keep distracting from the issue to go on tirades about how they should be talking about something else and disregard the fact that school shootings are an epidemic in the US and schools are no longer an environment where children can feel safe and learn.
The thing about trying to compare texting and driving to school shootings is, text and driving was made into a big deal when there were no laws about it on the books. Now just about every state, if not every state, has a law making it illegal. Some cities have taken it further and made phone use in general an offense. Groups got together to make these laws come about. They didn't just come out of nowhere. Yet when anyone tries to bring up any sort of laws which attempt to address the gun violence issue, they get throw stats about how drunk drivers kill more people than school shooters do.The argument was that the media isn't covering the shooting that was stopped by an armed person the way the Santa Fe shooting was. Totes replied with two articles "disproving" the original claim. In, my opinion, the original poster wasn't claiming that the media wasn't covering the other incident at all, but not as frequent as the Santa Fe shooting. Thus my question. Are they covering the story like they are with the Santa Fe shooting?
No, Wesker literally said they weren't covering it. And my question is, why WOULD they be covering it the same way, as a story where so many children died? Isn't it obvious that these stories wouldn't be covered the same way, regardless of bias?
I guess so.QuoteI could just as easily say that you intentionally make it sound like it's more of a problem than it actually is.QuoteStill doesn't change the frequency. If I told you that 2 in 1,000 people wins the lottery, does that make you more likely to win than if I said the statistic in a different fashion?
No, but you intentionally make it sound like it's less of a problem than it actually is.QuoteDo you know how many schools have been shot up in my country in my lifetime? 1 (there was an incident in 2009 where someone shot at 3 people, thankfully no one died except himself, but that was in a vocational college, not sure if it counts). 2018 has barely started and you have had 17 school shootings with multiple fatalities. Yes, the US has a population about 20 times larger. But the math is pretty simple, and there is still no comparison in the frequency. If that trend continues (and not only does it continue but it gets more frequent), given that within 5 years about 1 in 1000 schools have been shot up, the same incident doesn't usually happen on the same school twice, you go to a school that hasn't already been shot up and most children spend at least 12 years at school, I think you can see that the odds of your school being shot up and you experiencing trauma as a result are A LOT higher than winning the lottery twice, even if you don't die.
Actually the 17 school shootings stat is inflated. Of the 18, actually, acclaimed school shootings, only 8 of them inloved multiple casualties or even multiple targets. The rest were accidental discharges and even a suicide in an empty school parking lot.QuoteYeah, a hard to read sign passing by or a minute long commercial here and there or if you go on a police department's facebook page or program. That's not the same as media pundits going on for hours at a time about how dangerous texting and driving is or giant rallies raising awareness about the dangers.QuoteThe argument is we need to restrict (or as some of the rally leaders and protesters stated outright ban) gun ownership because too many children are dying. Which, if that was their true intent, then there are far more things that kill way more children that are the cause of human nature, such as texting and driving.Oh really? Like, protest for laws that prohibit texting and driving, or set up campaigns that raise awareness for how dangerous texting and driving is? Oh wait, these laws and campaigns already exist.QuoteBut there's only so much a government can do to restrict the irresponsible behaviour of some people. When it comes to guns however and the subject of school shootings in general, it hardly does ANYTHING substantial to restrict this behaviour, and it's because of people like you who keep distracting from the issue to go on tirades about how they should be talking about something else and disregard the fact that school shootings are an epidemic in the US and schools are no longer an environment where children can feel safe and learn.
Actually there are many restrictions and laws in place to prevent this kind of thing. They aren't being enforced is the problem. The Parkland shooter could've been arrested/committed several times over before he could shoot anyone. And we also have solutions of our own. In my state for example, it is now mandated that there should a police officer or a trained armed guardian for every 1,000 students if I have the number correctly.
The thing about trying to compare texting and driving to school shootings is, text and driving was made into a big deal when there were no laws about it on the books. Now just about every state, if not every state, has a law making it illegal. Some cities have taken it further and made phone use in general an offense. Groups got together to make these laws come about. They didn't just come out of nowhere. Yet when anyone tries to bring up any sort of laws which attempt to address the gun violence issue, they get throw stats about how drunk drivers kill more people than school shooters do.The argument was that the media isn't covering the shooting that was stopped by an armed person the way the Santa Fe shooting was. Totes replied with two articles "disproving" the original claim. In, my opinion, the original poster wasn't claiming that the media wasn't covering the other incident at all, but not as frequent as the Santa Fe shooting. Thus my question. Are they covering the story like they are with the Santa Fe shooting?
No, Wesker literally said they weren't covering it. And my question is, why WOULD they be covering it the same way, as a story where so many children died? Isn't it obvious that these stories wouldn't be covered the same way, regardless of bias?
I guess so.QuoteI could just as easily say that you intentionally make it sound like it's more of a problem than it actually is.QuoteStill doesn't change the frequency. If I told you that 2 in 1,000 people wins the lottery, does that make you more likely to win than if I said the statistic in a different fashion?
No, but you intentionally make it sound like it's less of a problem than it actually is.QuoteDo you know how many schools have been shot up in my country in my lifetime? 1 (there was an incident in 2009 where someone shot at 3 people, thankfully no one died except himself, but that was in a vocational college, not sure if it counts). 2018 has barely started and you have had 17 school shootings with multiple fatalities. Yes, the US has a population about 20 times larger. But the math is pretty simple, and there is still no comparison in the frequency. If that trend continues (and not only does it continue but it gets more frequent), given that within 5 years about 1 in 1000 schools have been shot up, the same incident doesn't usually happen on the same school twice, you go to a school that hasn't already been shot up and most children spend at least 12 years at school, I think you can see that the odds of your school being shot up and you experiencing trauma as a result are A LOT higher than winning the lottery twice, even if you don't die.
Actually the 17 school shootings stat is inflated. Of the 18, actually, acclaimed school shootings, only 8 of them inloved multiple casualties or even multiple targets. The rest were accidental discharges and even a suicide in an empty school parking lot.QuoteYeah, a hard to read sign passing by or a minute long commercial here and there or if you go on a police department's facebook page or program. That's not the same as media pundits going on for hours at a time about how dangerous texting and driving is or giant rallies raising awareness about the dangers.QuoteThe argument is we need to restrict (or as some of the rally leaders and protesters stated outright ban) gun ownership because too many children are dying. Which, if that was their true intent, then there are far more things that kill way more children that are the cause of human nature, such as texting and driving.Oh really? Like, protest for laws that prohibit texting and driving, or set up campaigns that raise awareness for how dangerous texting and driving is? Oh wait, these laws and campaigns already exist.QuoteBut there's only so much a government can do to restrict the irresponsible behaviour of some people. When it comes to guns however and the subject of school shootings in general, it hardly does ANYTHING substantial to restrict this behaviour, and it's because of people like you who keep distracting from the issue to go on tirades about how they should be talking about something else and disregard the fact that school shootings are an epidemic in the US and schools are no longer an environment where children can feel safe and learn.
Actually there are many restrictions and laws in place to prevent this kind of thing. They aren't being enforced is the problem. The Parkland shooter could've been arrested/committed several times over before he could shoot anyone. And we also have solutions of our own. In my state for example, it is now mandated that there should a police officer or a trained armed guardian for every 1,000 students if I have the number correctly.
The thing about trying to compare texting and driving to school shootings is, text and driving was made into a big deal when there were no laws about it on the books. Now just about every state, if not every state, has a law making it illegal. Some cities have taken it further and made phone use in general an offense. Groups got together to make these laws come about. They didn't just come out of nowhere. Yet when anyone tries to bring up any sort of laws which attempt to address the gun violence issue, they get throw stats about how drunk drivers kill more people than school shooters do.The argument was that the media isn't covering the shooting that was stopped by an armed person the way the Santa Fe shooting was. Totes replied with two articles "disproving" the original claim. In, my opinion, the original poster wasn't claiming that the media wasn't covering the other incident at all, but not as frequent as the Santa Fe shooting. Thus my question. Are they covering the story like they are with the Santa Fe shooting?
No, Wesker literally said they weren't covering it. And my question is, why WOULD they be covering it the same way, as a story where so many children died? Isn't it obvious that these stories wouldn't be covered the same way, regardless of bias?
I guess so.QuoteI could just as easily say that you intentionally make it sound like it's more of a problem than it actually is.QuoteStill doesn't change the frequency. If I told you that 2 in 1,000 people wins the lottery, does that make you more likely to win than if I said the statistic in a different fashion?
No, but you intentionally make it sound like it's less of a problem than it actually is.QuoteDo you know how many schools have been shot up in my country in my lifetime? 1 (there was an incident in 2009 where someone shot at 3 people, thankfully no one died except himself, but that was in a vocational college, not sure if it counts). 2018 has barely started and you have had 17 school shootings with multiple fatalities. Yes, the US has a population about 20 times larger. But the math is pretty simple, and there is still no comparison in the frequency. If that trend continues (and not only does it continue but it gets more frequent), given that within 5 years about 1 in 1000 schools have been shot up, the same incident doesn't usually happen on the same school twice, you go to a school that hasn't already been shot up and most children spend at least 12 years at school, I think you can see that the odds of your school being shot up and you experiencing trauma as a result are A LOT higher than winning the lottery twice, even if you don't die.
Actually the 17 school shootings stat is inflated. Of the 18, actually, acclaimed school shootings, only 8 of them inloved multiple casualties or even multiple targets. The rest were accidental discharges and even a suicide in an empty school parking lot.QuoteYeah, a hard to read sign passing by or a minute long commercial here and there or if you go on a police department's facebook page or program. That's not the same as media pundits going on for hours at a time about how dangerous texting and driving is or giant rallies raising awareness about the dangers.QuoteThe argument is we need to restrict (or as some of the rally leaders and protesters stated outright ban) gun ownership because too many children are dying. Which, if that was their true intent, then there are far more things that kill way more children that are the cause of human nature, such as texting and driving.Oh really? Like, protest for laws that prohibit texting and driving, or set up campaigns that raise awareness for how dangerous texting and driving is? Oh wait, these laws and campaigns already exist.QuoteBut there's only so much a government can do to restrict the irresponsible behaviour of some people. When it comes to guns however and the subject of school shootings in general, it hardly does ANYTHING substantial to restrict this behaviour, and it's because of people like you who keep distracting from the issue to go on tirades about how they should be talking about something else and disregard the fact that school shootings are an epidemic in the US and schools are no longer an environment where children can feel safe and learn.
Actually there are many restrictions and laws in place to prevent this kind of thing. They aren't being enforced is the problem. The Parkland shooter could've been arrested/committed several times over before he could shoot anyone. And we also have solutions of our own. In my state for example, it is now mandated that there should a police officer or a trained armed guardian for every 1,000 students if I have the number correctly.
They also get thrown stats on how the proposed guns laws wouldn't work and only hinder law abiding citizens.
Okay, lets get one thing out of the way....
If NOBODY had a gun, there would be ZERO gun related deaths and murders. Correct?
So there is a DIRECT CORRELATION between gun ownership and people getting killed
It has been shown time and time again, you could own a gun and have the best of intentions with it.... But if your boy gets embarrassed at school, all bets are off.
Tell me how not allowing someone who isn't mentally capable of handling their own finances to own a gun isn't a good idea. Mind you, I'm not talking the ones that do so out of choice, like having a financial advisor, but legitimately have someone with power of attorney over their banking. Tell me how having background checks at gun shows on all sales is a bad idea.
I could just as easily say that you intentionally make it sound like it's more of a problem than it actually is. [/quote]QuoteStill doesn't change the frequency. If I told you that 2 in 1,000 people wins the lottery, does that make you more likely to win than if I said the statistic in a different fashion?
No, but you intentionally make it sound like it's less of a problem than it actually is.
Actually the 17 school shootings stat is inflated. Of the 18, actually, acclaimed school shootings, only 8 of them inloved multiple casualties or even multiple targets. The rest were accidental discharges and even a suicide in an empty school parking lot.Who said anything about multiple casualties and whatnot? Besides the shooting I mentioned that happened in my country didn't have casualties either. This changes nothing. I guess you can disregard the suicide. As for the accidenal discharges? Well, does that make anything better? If anything it goes to show you should fix your gun issue. Accidental discharges of guns at schools is something that never happens in other countries. More minimization of the issue. Besides, would it change that much if I backtracked and said that as much school shootings as have ever happened in Europe happen in the US in a single year, instead of half a year?
Yeah, a hard to read sign passing by or a minute long commercial here and there or if you go on a police department's facebook page or program. That's not the same as media pundits going on for hours at a time about how dangerous texting and driving is or giant rallies raising awareness about the dangers.[/quote[
More deflection. You clearly want to avoid addressing the issue.QuoteActually there are many restrictions and laws in place to prevent this kind of thing. They aren't being enforced is the problem.
Yes, that's one of the problems. Another problem is that a lot of the restrictions are baby steps, and they don't work.QuoteThe Parkland shooter could've been arrested/committed several times over before he could shoot anyone. And we also have solutions of our own. In my state for example, it is now mandated that there should a police officer or a trained armed guardian for every 1,000 students if I have the number correctly.
It's very telling that armed guardians are necessary in your schools. And the Parkland shooter was an exception. I mean, they still dropped the ball, but still an exception. He should never have even been able to commit this crime.QuoteThey also get thrown stats on how the proposed guns laws wouldn't work and only hinder law abiding citizens.
So your country is the only country in the developed world where gun control wouldn't work, and you know that for sure even though no serious plan to do that has been implemented. No, the issue is, again, that any restrictions you implement are baby steps, because if anyone tried to take drastic measures, the gun lobby would be unhappy. Also people would throw hissy fits, because the NRA and gun companies have somehow convinced everyone that you can't be considered American unless you have a small army's worth of firearms and ammunition in your shed.
I could just as easily say that you intentionally make it sound like it's more of a problem than it actually is.QuoteStill doesn't change the frequency. If I told you that 2 in 1,000 people wins the lottery, does that make you more likely to win than if I said the statistic in a different fashion?
No, but you intentionally make it sound like it's less of a problem than it actually is.
QuoteActually the 17 school shootings stat is inflated. Of the 18, actually, acclaimed school shootings, only 8 of them inloved multiple casualties or even multiple targets. The rest were accidental discharges and even a suicide in an empty school parking lot.Who said anything about multiple casualties and whatnot? Besides the shooting I mentioned that happened in my country didn't have casualties either. This changes nothing. I guess you can disregard the suicide. As for the accidenal discharges? Well, does that make anything better? If anything it goes to show you should fix your gun issue. Accidental discharges of guns at schools is something that never happens in other countries. More minimization of the issue. Besides, would it change that much if I backtracked and said that as much school shootings as have ever happened in Europe happen in the US in a single year, instead of half a year?
QuoteYeah, a hard to read sign passing by or a minute long commercial here and there or if you go on a police department's facebook page or program. That's not the same as media pundits going on for hours at a time about how dangerous texting and driving is or giant rallies raising awareness about the dangers.
More deflection. You clearly want to avoid addressing the issue.
QuoteActually there are many restrictions and laws in place to prevent this kind of thing. They aren't being enforced is the problem.
Yes, that's one of the problems. Another problem is that a lot of the restrictions are baby steps, and they don't work.
QuoteThe Parkland shooter could've been arrested/committed several times over before he could shoot anyone. And we also have solutions of our own. In my state for example, it is now mandated that there should a police officer or a trained armed guardian for every 1,000 students if I have the number correctly.
It's very telling that armed guardians are necessary in your schools. And the Parkland shooter was an exception. I mean, they still dropped the ball, but still an exception. He should never have even been able to commit this crime.QuoteThey also get thrown stats on how the proposed guns laws wouldn't work and only hinder law abiding citizens.
So your country is the only country in the developed world where gun control wouldn't work, and you know that for sure even though no serious plan to do that has been implemented. No, the issue is, again, that any restrictions you implement are baby steps, because if anyone tried to take drastic measures, the gun lobby would be unhappy. Also people would throw hissy fits, because the NRA and gun companies have somehow convinced everyone that you can't be considered American unless you have a small army's worth of firearms and ammunition in your shed.
Evidence that gun control works would being able to point to a city/state/country that implemented gun control and drastically reduced their gun homicides/homicides/violent crime.
Evidence that gun control works would being able to point to a city/state/country that implemented gun control and drastically reduced their gun homicides/homicides/violent crime.
I live in rural Australia. I opposed the gun laws when they were brought in, these days people have gotten used to it. People still get shot, but nothing like the USA.
Evidence that gun control works would being able to point to a city/state/country that implemented gun control and drastically reduced their gun homicides/homicides/violent crime.
I live in rural Australia. I opposed the gun laws when they were brought in, these days people have gotten used to it. People still get shot, but nothing like the USA.
So, how do you people kill each other now?
Evidence that gun control works would being able to point to a city/state/country that implemented gun control and drastically reduced their gun homicides/homicides/violent crime.
I live in rural Australia. I opposed the gun laws when they were brought in, these days people have gotten used to it. People still get shot, but nothing like the USA.
So, how do you people kill each other now?
Snakes, spiders, dingos, knoives, dehydration, syphilis-infected koalas... I suspect Australia is the land of opportunity for that kind of thing.
Evidence that gun control works would being able to point to a city/state/country that implemented gun control and drastically reduced their gun homicides/homicides/violent crime.
I live in rural Australia. I opposed the gun laws when they were brought in, these days people have gotten used to it. People still get shot, but nothing like the USA.
So, how do you people kill each other now?
Snakes, spiders, dingos, knoives, dehydration, syphilis-infected koalas... I suspect Australia is the land of opportunity for that kind of thing.
So they have more options.
Sounds like Australian Privilege to me.
Evidence that gun control works would being able to point to a city/state/country that implemented gun control and drastically reduced their gun homicides/homicides/violent crime.
I live in rural Australia. I opposed the gun laws when they were brought in, these days people have gotten used to it. People still get shot, but nothing like the USA.
So, how do you people kill each other now?
Snakes, spiders, dingos, knoives, dehydration, syphilis-infected koalas... I suspect Australia is the land of opportunity for that kind of thing.
So they have more options.
Sounds like Australian Privilege to me.
You forgot crocodiles and drop bears.
Evidence that gun control works would being able to point to a city/state/country that implemented gun control and drastically reduced their gun homicides/homicides/violent crime.
I live in rural Australia. I opposed the gun laws when they were brought in, these days people have gotten used to it. People still get shot, but nothing like the USA.
So, how do you people kill each other now?
Snakes, spiders, dingos, knoives, dehydration, syphilis-infected koalas... I suspect Australia is the land of opportunity for that kind of thing.
So they have more options.
Sounds like Australian Privilege to me.
You forgot crocodiles and drop bears.
Seriously, how do you all kill each other?
Again, I could just as easily say that you're hyping up the issue to avoid the fact that guns are not the problem. We had guns (even scary looking guns) long before we had mass shootings.
First of all, you always had mass shootings, more than other countries without guns. It's just that there are more now. Second, you have MORE guns now, and a weird attitude towards them, probably due to propaganda. Not trying to say guns are the only reason this is happening, but it's a major contributor. You pretending it's a non issue won't change the fact that it is.QuoteThe fact is that claiming 18 school shootings is disingenuous. When someone says "school shooting" the first thought that comes to mind is a gunman shooting multiple people at a school, not someone so depressed that he decided to commit suicide in an empty parking lot when the school us closed.
First of all, I said 17, not 18, which doesn't include your suicide. Second, you're just missing the point yet again. Whether it is 17 or 18 or 16, the fact doesn't change that it's an absurdly high rate.QuoteIt's not deflection. There are no protests to end texting and driving.
Which is not the issue here because the issue is not texting and driving. You're deflecting. What do you expect to happen if people protested to end texting and driving? There are already laws to prevent that and there's little more that can be done. This is just more lame whataboutism. You can apply this to almost every issue people want to protest about.QuoteCan you name restrictions that would work?
Strict enforcement of a law banning ownership of guns for teens and children. Restrictions to how much ammo you can buy. Restrictions to what types of guns you can buy. Possibly buyback programs. Stricter testing to warrant a license and requirement of license to use and buy guns. These are just a few.QuoteEvidence that gun control works would being able to point to a city/state/country that implemented gun control and drastically reduced their gun homicides/homicides/violent crime.Like Australia, the UK and Switzerland? Although to be fair it's hard to find an analogous case because no other country has had a comparable mass shooting/school shooting issue with the US, and most countries have had strict gun laws for decades.
Seriously, how do you all kill each other?
Really funny jokes.
Again, I could just as easily say that you're hyping up the issue to avoid the fact that guns are not the problem. We had guns (even scary looking guns) long before we had mass shootings.
First of all, you always had mass shootings, more than other countries without guns. It's just that there are more now. Second, you have MORE guns now, and a weird attitude towards them, probably due to propaganda. Not trying to say guns are the only reason this is happening, but it's a major contributor. You pretending it's a non issue won't change the fact that it is.
The fact is that claiming 18 school shootings is disingenuous. When someone says "school shooting" the first thought that comes to mind is a gunman shooting multiple people at a school, not someone so depressed that he decided to commit suicide in an empty parking lot when the school us closed.
First of all, I said 17, not 18, which doesn't include your suicide. Second, you're just missing the point yet again. Whether it is 17 or 18 or 16, the fact doesn't change that it's an absurdly high rate.
It's not deflection. There are no protests to end texting and driving.
Can you name restrictions that would work?
Strict enforcement of a law banning ownership of guns for teens and children.
Restrictions to how much ammo you can buy.
Restrictions to what types of guns you can buy.
Possibly buyback programs.That failed in places like New jersey and California, and they are among the most willing states to participate in it. How much more do you think it will work well in states like Texas?
Stricter testing to warrant a license and requirement of license to use and buy guns. These are just a few.
QuoteEvidence that gun control works would being able to point to a city/state/country that implemented gun control and drastically reduced their gun homicides/homicides/violent crime.Like Australia, the UK and Switzerland? Although to be fair it's hard to find an analogous case because no other country has had a comparable mass shooting/school shooting issue with the US, and most countries have had strict gun laws for decades.
You can show a country that implemented gun control and drastically reduced it's gun crime as a result.
You can show a country that implemented gun control and drastically reduced it's gun crime as a result.
Australia.
You can show a country that implemented gun control and drastically reduced it's gun crime as a result.
Australia.
Gun deaths in Australia were already trending down before your control laws and that trend did not change. To say that the gun control laws were responsible for there being fewer gun deaths is deceitful.
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You can show a country that implemented gun control and drastically reduced it's gun crime as a result.
Australia.
Gun deaths in Australia were already trending down before your control laws and that trend did not change. To say that the gun control laws were responsible for there being fewer gun deaths is deceitful.
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Are you sure about that?
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That looks like a pretty sharp drop, downward trend aside.You can show a country that implemented gun control and drastically reduced it's gun crime as a result.
Australia.
Gun deaths in Australia were already trending down before your control laws and that trend did not change. To say that the gun control laws were responsible for there being fewer gun deaths is deceitful.
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Your chart shows that suicides have been trending downwards steadily since the mid 80s as well.
The first mass shooting where the target was innocent bystanders, was back in the 50's. Hardly meets the definition of "we always had mass shootings." I will grant that we had cases like the Valentine massacre but that was between gang members. Also, while true we have more guns now, that's not indicative to how many people own guns. Most gun homicides happens in states and cities with stricter laws. California has the highest amount of mass shootings yet they have some the strictest laws in the country.
It isn't when compared to other crime even in the same category and the population as a whole.
Why? Most mass shootings are done with handguns.
Possibly buyback programs.That failed in places like New jersey and California, and they are among the most willing states to participate in it. How much more do you think it will work well in states like Texas?[/quote]
There is little evidence that stricter testing reduces crime. Illinois requires gun owners to have a license to even own a gun, and applying for a carry permit is even worse. Yet they have a high gun crime rate.
They worked for Australia. It's a bit dubious what they did for the UK, because they never had that many gun murders to begin with, and they never really cared that much about guns anyways, it was done more to prevent mass shootings from happening again. I don't really know many other countries that relatively recently started enforcing significantly stricter gun laws, and definitely none that had the attitude of the US before.
I'm giving you leniency. You don't have to stick with mass shootings to prove your case. You can show a country that implemented gun control and drastically reduced it's gun crime as a result.
Plenty of european countries have very strict testing and they actually enforce it and it works pretty well to make sure criminals don't end up with guns.
Before you are granted a license, they do background checks and psychological testing to make sure you're not a nutter who's gonna shoot up a school.Plenty of european countries have very strict testing and they actually enforce it and it works pretty well to make sure criminals don't end up with guns.
What is testing and how is it enforced?
Plenty of european countries have very strict testing and they actually enforce it and it works pretty well to make sure criminals don't end up with guns.
What is testing and how is it enforced?
Plenty of european countries have very strict testing and they actually enforce it and it works pretty well to make sure criminals don't end up with guns.
What is testing and how is it enforced?
You need to accomplish various steps to get a permit and even that has limitations of what kind of gun and how many you are allowed to have.
And the guns have to be locked in a safe, unloaded, with bullets locked somewhere else.
And you can't have more than like 200 bullets.
And you're getting checked every now and then by the officers.
And no automatic weapons.
Plenty of european countries have very strict testing and they actually enforce it and it works pretty well to make sure criminals don't end up with guns.
What is testing and how is it enforced?
You need to accomplish various steps to get a permit and even that has limitations of what kind of gun and how many you are allowed to have.
And the guns have to be locked in a safe, unloaded, with bullets locked somewhere else.
And you can't have more than like 200 bullets.
And you're getting checked every now and then by the officers.
And no automatic weapons.
You can have all the best intentions in the world, but if some girl doesn't want to have sex with your zit faced greasy teenage kid, all bets are off.
Plenty of european countries have very strict testing and they actually enforce it and it works pretty well to make sure criminals don't end up with guns.
What is testing and how is it enforced?
You need to accomplish various steps to get a permit and even that has limitations of what kind of gun and how many you are allowed to have.
And the guns have to be locked in a safe, unloaded, with bullets locked somewhere else.
And you can't have more than like 200 bullets.
And you're getting checked every now and then by the officers.
And no automatic weapons.
You can have all the best intentions in the world, but if some girl doesn't want to have sex with your zit faced greasy teenage kid, all bets are off.
And maybe she complains about not finding a decent guy after that.
Plenty of european countries have very strict testing and they actually enforce it and it works pretty well to make sure criminals don't end up with guns.
What is testing and how is it enforced?
You need to accomplish various steps to get a permit and even that has limitations of what kind of gun and how many you are allowed to have.
And the guns have to be locked in a safe, unloaded, with bullets locked somewhere else.
And you can't have more than like 200 bullets.
And you're getting checked every now and then by the officers.
And no automatic weapons.
You can have all the best intentions in the world, but if some girl doesn't want to have sex with your zit faced greasy teenage kid, all bets are off.
And maybe she complains about not finding a decent guy after that.
I'm going to be a little judgemental here and say that a guy who commits mass murder probably doesn't qualify as decent.
Before you are granted a license, they do background checks and psychological testing to make sure you're not a nutter who's gonna shoot up a school.Plenty of european countries have very strict testing and they actually enforce it and it works pretty well to make sure criminals don't end up with guns.
What is testing and how is it enforced?
Plenty of european countries have very strict testing and they actually enforce it and it works pretty well to make sure criminals don't end up with guns.
What is testing and how is it enforced?
You need to accomplish various steps to get a permit and even that has limitations of what kind of gun and how many you are allowed to have.
And the guns have to be locked in a safe, unloaded, with bullets locked somewhere else.
And you can't have more than like 200 bullets.
And you're getting checked every now and then by the officers.
And no automatic weapons.
You can have all the best intentions in the world, but if some girl doesn't want to have sex with your zit faced greasy teenage kid, all bets are off.
And maybe she complains about not finding a decent guy after that.
I'm going to be a little judgemental here and say that a guy who commits mass murder probably doesn't qualify as decent.
Not sure if the "best intentions" guy was meant for the mass murderer, I thought it refered to the ones trying to regulate guns.
I meant that a gun owning parent can do all the right things and they themselves would never hurt a soul with a gun. But if their greasy shithead kid gets rejected at school and gets a little angry, he can grab the guns and mass murder people over it.
Just because you have an unloaded gun, locked in a safe with bullets locked somewhere else, doesn't mean your kid cant access it if he really wants it. If you can access it, so can he.
As much as I hate guns and enjoy my civilian free gun law life here in Oz, the reality is, the people who commit these crimes, will move heaven and earth to get hold of a gun to commit these atrocities. The problem is the culture.
I remember watching an episode of the Simpsons but there was one scene that was cut from Australian TV that I saw on a downloaded episode. It was the episode where the character 'Snake' breaks into the Simpsons house annoyed with their singing (on of those singing story episodes). Anyway, for Australian audiences they cut out the bit where Snake points the gun to every Simpsons character (including the baby) and pulls the trigger going click click click etc, without any hesitation. The only thing saving them was that he was out of bullets. For you guys, maybe that's normal, for me, I found that quite disgusting for a cartoon aimed at entertaining children. Your culture has a lot of hideous aspects to it.
Just saying 8)
Plenty of european countries have very strict testing and they actually enforce it and it works pretty well to make sure criminals don't end up with guns.
What is testing and how is it enforced?
You need to accomplish various steps to get a permit and even that has limitations of what kind of gun and how many you are allowed to have.
And the guns have to be locked in a safe, unloaded, with bullets locked somewhere else.
And you can't have more than like 200 bullets.
And you're getting checked every now and then by the officers.
And no automatic weapons.
You can have all the best intentions in the world, but if some girl doesn't want to have sex with your zit faced greasy teenage kid, all bets are off.
And maybe she complains about not finding a decent guy after that.
I'm going to be a little judgemental here and say that a guy who commits mass murder probably doesn't qualify as decent.
Not sure if the "best intentions" guy was meant for the mass murderer, I thought it refered to the ones trying to regulate guns.
I meant that a gun owning parent can do all the right things and they themselves would never hurt a soul with a gun. But if their greasy shithead kid gets rejected at school and gets a little angry, he can grab the guns and mass murder people over it.
Just because you have an unloaded gun, locked in a safe with bullets locked somewhere else, doesn't mean your kid cant access it if he really wants it. If you can access it, so can he.
As much as I hate guns and enjoy my civilian free gun law life here in Oz, the reality is, the people who commit these crimes, will move heaven and earth to get hold of a gun to commit these atrocities. The problem is the culture.
I remember watching an episode of the Simpsons but there was one scene that was cut from Australian TV that I saw on a downloaded episode. It was the episode where the character 'Snake' breaks into the Simpsons house annoyed with their singing (on of those singing story episodes). Anyway, for Australian audiences they cut out the bit where Snake points the gun to every Simpsons character (including the baby) and pulls the trigger going click click click etc, without any hesitation. The only thing saving them was that he was out of bullets. For you guys, maybe that's normal, for me, I found that quite disgusting for a cartoon aimed at entertaining children. Your culture has a lot of hideous aspects to it.
Just saying 8)
That's why jesus invented gun safes.
I don't really care about violence in the Simpsons, maybe it affects people in different ways, I don't know.
You can show a country that implemented gun control and drastically reduced it's gun crime as a result.
Australia.
Gun deaths in Australia were already trending down before your control laws and that trend did not change. To say that the gun control laws were responsible for there being fewer gun deaths is deceitful.
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Are you sure about that?
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It's the small shit like this in popular culture that adds up and can desensitize youth into thinking it's normal. No they wont think its 'normal' in the traditional sense of the word, but elements of it over time, sure.
You can show a country that implemented gun control and drastically reduced it's gun crime as a result.
Australia.
Gun deaths in Australia were already trending down before your control laws and that trend did not change. To say that the gun control laws were responsible for there being fewer gun deaths is deceitful.
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Are you sure about that?
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It was on a steep decline before the ban. Draw a straight line through and you'll see what I'm talking about.
Actually it's true, though it's a slight difference.The first mass shooting where the target was innocent bystanders, was back in the 50's. Hardly meets the definition of "we always had mass shootings." I will grant that we had cases like the Valentine massacre but that was between gang members. Also, while true we have more guns now, that's not indicative to how many people own guns. Most gun homicides happens in states and cities with stricter laws. California has the highest amount of mass shootings yet they have some the strictest laws in the country.
By "always" I didn't mean back to the creation of your country. But they're not a new thing. They've been pretty common since the 80s. And you keep throwing that line about how most gun homicides are in states with strict laws, but, again, that's just false.
And yes, California does indeed rank pretty high in the mass shootings scale (I'm not sure if it's the highest though). Should be kind of expected given it's by far the most populous ::) In terms of gun violence per capita, it ranks pretty darn low.
QuoteIt isn't when compared to other crime even in the same category and the population as a whole.
I... already demonstrated it is absurdly high compared to the population. And shouldn't it be kind of obvious that it's not as common as other crimes? Doesn't make it any less of a problem.
Why? Most mass shootings are done with handguns.
QuotePossibly buyback programs.That failed in places like New jersey and California, and they are among the most willing states to participate in it. How much more do you think it will work well in states like Texas?
QuoteThere is little evidence that stricter testing reduces crime. Illinois requires gun owners to have a license to even own a gun, and applying for a carry permit is even worse. Yet they have a high gun crime rate.
Not really, they rank 34th in overall gun violence and they're about average in terms of gun murders. But what's really an issue is that the laws aren't enforced very well. Plenty of european countries have very strict testing and they actually enforce it and it works pretty well to make sure criminals don't end up with guns. I don't understand why anyone would oppose strict testing and background checks.
QuoteThey worked for Australia. It's a bit dubious what they did for the UK, because they never had that many gun murders to begin with, and they never really cared that much about guns anyways, it was done more to prevent mass shootings from happening again. I don't really know many other countries that relatively recently started enforcing significantly stricter gun laws, and definitely none that had the attitude of the US before.
I'm giving you leniency. You don't have to stick with mass shootings to prove your case. You can show a country that implemented gun control and drastically reduced it's gun crime as a result.
You can show a country that implemented gun control and drastically reduced it's gun crime as a result.
Australia.
Gun deaths in Australia were already trending down before your control laws and that trend did not change. To say that the gun control laws were responsible for there being fewer gun deaths is deceitful.
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Are you sure about that?
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It was on a steep decline before the ban. Draw a straight line through and you'll see what I'm talking about.
Lets do Americas favourite and rule out all deaths relating to suicide. Then lets remove all deaths related to criminal/bikie gangs
How many people before the ban were random innocent people caught up in this violence and how many deaths of innocents after the ban
Make no mistake, we had 'mass shootings' every year up until the ban. Like it or not, the ban has ensured there are people alive today that would not have been had there been no gun ban.
It's funny how advocates of guns have no problem showing graphs of gun deaths in other countries using the full numbers but when it comes to their own country they are like, 'oh but half of those are from suicide, you cant count those'
The odds that a 22-year absence of mass shootings in Australia since 1996 gun reforms are due to chance are one in 200,000, new research reveals.
Published today in the Annals of Internal Medicine, scholars at the University of Sydney and Macquarie University used mathematical techniques to test the null hypothesis that the rate of mass shootings in Australia before and after the 1996 law reforms is unchanged.
The National Firearms Agreement, enacted after the Port Arthur massacre in Tasmania in which 35 died and another 23 were seriously injured, saw the destruction of more than a million firearms—perhaps a third of the country's private gun stock.
" Most people hear these starkly contrasting numbers and conclude that Australia's gun law reforms effectively stopped firearm massacres here. "
Emeritus Professor Simon Chapman, University of Sydney
The Agreement included uniform gun registration, repudiation of self-defence as a legitimate reason to hold a firearm licence, mandatory locked storage, a ban on mail order sales and standardised penalties, and the banning of semi-automatic rifles and pump action shot guns from civilian ownership.
Its provisions were subsequently enacted in national, state and territory legislation across Australia.
In the 18 years up to and including the Port Arthur massacre in 1996, there were 13-gun homicides in which five or more people died, not including the perpetrator. In the 22 years since, there have been no such incidents.
“Most people hear these starkly contrasting numbers and conclude that Australia’s gun law reforms effectively stopped firearm massacres here,” says the paper’s lead author, Emeritus Professor Simon Chapman of the University of Sydney.
“However, some scholars and members of the gun lobby have argued that since mass shootings are relatively rare events, the concentration of incidents in one decade and their absence in another decade is merely a statistical anomaly.”
For example, Australian researcher Dr Samara McPhedran writing in The Conversation said: “Mass shootings are rare events, and the long gap between incidents post-1996 may simply reflect a return to a more ‘normal’ state of affairs, similar to the years before 1987.”
" Australia followed standard public health procedures to reduce the risk of multiple shooting events, and we can see the evidence. It worked. "
Associate Professor Philip Alpers, University of Sydney
"This was no accident," says the new study’s co-author Associate Professor Philip Alpers, from the University of Sydney.
"Australia followed standard public health procedures to reduce the risk of multiple shooting events, and we can see the evidence. It worked.
"Gun lobby-affiliated and other researchers have been saying for years that mass shootings are such rare events it could have been a matter of luck they dropped off in the wake of Australia's gun control laws," says Alpers. "Instead, we found the odds against this hypothesis are 200,000 to one."
In related news, Tasmania's re-elected Premier has defended the Liberals' policy to relax the state's gun laws, despite an outcry from survivors of the Port Arthur shooting.
. . . you can't kill as many people with a handgun as you can with a semi automatic rifle.
I couldn't find a stat that doesn't include suicide by gun. However, I did found that California is pretty much equal to other states when counting homicides in general.
The VT shooter had ten round magazines and pistols. The Parkland shooter had ten round magazines for his AR because they were easier to conceal. The Sandy Hook shooter never ran through his magazines. The Pusle shooter was there for I believe 40 minutes and ran through multiple magazines and no one decided to charge him when he was reloading.. What evidence do you have that most of the deadliest mass shootings were done with so called assault rifles.Um, most of the things you mentioned aren't handguns. My evidence would be just looking at the deadliest mass shootings. Including the ones you mentioned that were done with assault rifles. But as I said, many countries have banned handguns, or only permit certain revolvers, exactly because they're easy to conceal. Also, another thing I forgot, what's with people being able to buy THAT many guns and magazines? Why can you own like 15 assault rifles and 50 magazines?
How do you know they aren't enforcing the training requirements to legally obtain a firearm?
Depending on the context, you can kill the same number of people. However, handguns don't have the same range, and they can't sustain continuous firing for as long because you have to change the magazine. Some people are stopoed while reloading. And some other people couldn't have killed as many people just with handguns, like the Las Vegas shooter.
. . . you can't kill as many people with a handgun as you can with a semi automatic rifle.
Why not? One bullet - one kill, is possible with any firearm.
A revolver is a semi-automatic assault pistol.
The problem is not the shape of the tool or the nomenclature.
A Representative Republic is a form of democracy.
. . . you can't kill as many people with a handgun as you can with a semi automatic rifle.
Why not? One bullet - one kill, is possible with any firearm.
A revolver is a semi-automatic assault pistol.
The problem is not the shape of the tool or the nomenclature.
. . . you can't kill as many people with a handgun as you can with a semi automatic rifle.
Why not? One bullet - one kill, is possible with any firearm.
A revolver is a semi-automatic assault pistol.
The problem is not the shape of the tool or the nomenclature.
I think the quote function messed up. DNO was the one that said that.
Hmm. Sure. Lets let people with more intellect than a gun loving yank articulate it
https://sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/2018/03/13/gun-laws-stopped-mass-shootings-in-australia.htmlQuoteThe odds that a 22-year absence of mass shootings in Australia since 1996 gun reforms are due to chance are one in 200,000, new research reveals.
Published today in the Annals of Internal Medicine, scholars at the University of Sydney and Macquarie University used mathematical techniques to test the null hypothesis that the rate of mass shootings in Australia before and after the 1996 law reforms is unchanged.
The National Firearms Agreement, enacted after the Port Arthur massacre in Tasmania in which 35 died and another 23 were seriously injured, saw the destruction of more than a million firearms—perhaps a third of the country's private gun stock.
" Most people hear these starkly contrasting numbers and conclude that Australia's gun law reforms effectively stopped firearm massacres here. "
Emeritus Professor Simon Chapman, University of Sydney
The Agreement included uniform gun registration, repudiation of self-defence as a legitimate reason to hold a firearm licence, mandatory locked storage, a ban on mail order sales and standardised penalties, and the banning of semi-automatic rifles and pump action shot guns from civilian ownership.
Its provisions were subsequently enacted in national, state and territory legislation across Australia.
In the 18 years up to and including the Port Arthur massacre in 1996, there were 13-gun homicides in which five or more people died, not including the perpetrator. In the 22 years since, there have been no such incidents.
“Most people hear these starkly contrasting numbers and conclude that Australia’s gun law reforms effectively stopped firearm massacres here,” says the paper’s lead author, Emeritus Professor Simon Chapman of the University of Sydney.
“However, some scholars and members of the gun lobby have argued that since mass shootings are relatively rare events, the concentration of incidents in one decade and their absence in another decade is merely a statistical anomaly.”
For example, Australian researcher Dr Samara McPhedran writing in The Conversation said: “Mass shootings are rare events, and the long gap between incidents post-1996 may simply reflect a return to a more ‘normal’ state of affairs, similar to the years before 1987.”
" Australia followed standard public health procedures to reduce the risk of multiple shooting events, and we can see the evidence. It worked. "
Associate Professor Philip Alpers, University of Sydney
"This was no accident," says the new study’s co-author Associate Professor Philip Alpers, from the University of Sydney.
"Australia followed standard public health procedures to reduce the risk of multiple shooting events, and we can see the evidence. It worked.
"Gun lobby-affiliated and other researchers have been saying for years that mass shootings are such rare events it could have been a matter of luck they dropped off in the wake of Australia's gun control laws," says Alpers. "Instead, we found the odds against this hypothesis are 200,000 to one."
In related news, Tasmania's re-elected Premier has defended the Liberals' policy to relax the state's gun laws, despite an outcry from survivors of the Port Arthur shooting.
I couldn't find a stat that doesn't include suicide by gun. However, I did found that California is pretty much equal to other states when counting homicides in general.
Yes, homicides in general are high in Cali. But gun deaths in general are low, and also mass shooting RATES aren't as high as you claim.
Yet a lot of them had ten round magazines. If your argument against ARs is ammo capacity, then there are plenty of handguns that exceed ten rounds.QuoteThe VT shooter had ten round magazines and pistols. The Parkland shooter had ten round magazines for his AR because they were easier to conceal. The Sandy Hook shooter never ran through his magazines. The Pusle shooter was there for I believe 40 minutes and ran through multiple magazines and no one decided to charge him when he was reloading.. What evidence do you have that most of the deadliest mass shootings were done with so called assault rifles.Um, most of the things you mentioned aren't handguns.
My evidence would be just looking at the deadliest mass shootings. Including the ones you mentioned that were done with assault rifles. But as I said, many countries have banned handguns, or only permit certain revolvers, exactly because they're easy to conceal. Also, another thing I forgot, what's with people being able to buy THAT many guns and magazines? Why can you own like 15 assault rifles and 50 magazines?
QuoteHow do you know they aren't enforcing the training requirements to legally obtain a firearm?
I don't know exactly what the requierements are in every state, but the fact that so many nutters legally buy them is evidence that either their requirements aren't good enough, or they're not enforcing them right.
Also I can't watch the video because I'm on mobile data, but as I said, I did some research a while ago, and I figured the gun homicide rates in states with strict gun laws are about the same, even when including outliers like DC, although I guess the strict/loose distinction is kind of arbitrary.
I wasn't arguing about gun deaths in general. I was arguing about gun homicides. And while Cali isn't that high above the average in terms of mass shootings, you would think that with there laws, their mass shooting rate would almost null.
Not really. One reason I wouldn't expect that to be the case is that I know many counties of California don't really give a shit about enforcing those laws. Not only that, California gun ownership rates are still incredibly high, even with the laws, which are strict, but only for US standards. Guns and stockpiles of ammunition are still readily available to more or less anyone. At any rate, I wouldn't expect the laws to completely nullify the issue, especially when they're on a state and not a federal level.QuoteYet a lot of them had ten round magazines. If your argument against ARs is ammo capacity, then there are plenty of handguns that exceed ten rounds.
First of all, I didn't really try to make an argument against handguns in particular. But assault rifles have other characteristics that can make them very deadly, such as their range, accuracy and firepower. But of course large magazines can be pretty useful for criminals too. Actually, they're mostly useful JUST for criminals and maybe the police in certain cases, you don't really need a large magazine for hunting or target shooting or selfe defense.QuoteWhy do women needs 50 pairs of shoes or why you need more than one car?
I don't. If people having 50 pairs of shoes or more than one car for each person was a potential danger for people, then I wouldn't really mind restrictions.QuoteAs long as a person is law abiding, it doesn't matter if he owns enough guns to arm the entire US military twice over. Even if he had ill intent with that many firearms, he can only wield two at most.
Is that why the Las Vegas shooter had 14 assault rifles and lots of magazines with him?QuoteOr maybe they weren't a threat when they bought the firearms even under the most stringent requirements.But I know some countries have instituted checks to retain your license. On the other hand, there have been cases in the US where people who obviously shouldn't have been granted access to guns (even per the law) do end up having access to them anyways because of bad law enforcement, like the recent case with the person who shot up that fast food place. Then you have all the states that don't even have those checks, and you can see a lot of these people wouldn't have been granted a license if there was a law in place.
Every state does background checks. It is federal law. The only exception is private sales, however this will probably change soon even though very few of these mass shooting idiots obtain their weapons that way.I'm not talking just about background checks. I'm talking about requirements to have a license, which is obtained not just by criminal background checks, but also psychological testing and past aggression.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.Section 1. After one year from the ratification of this article the manufacture, sale, or transportation of intoxicating liquors within, the importation thereof into, or the exportation thereof from the United States and all the territory subject to the jurisdiction thereof for beverage purposes is hereby prohibited.
Here is a long winded explanation of what that means . . .
https://www.lectlaw.com/files/gun01.htm
You'd be surprised at how many groupies mass murderers attract.Plenty of european countries have very strict testing and they actually enforce it and it works pretty well to make sure criminals don't end up with guns.
What is testing and how is it enforced?
You need to accomplish various steps to get a permit and even that has limitations of what kind of gun and how many you are allowed to have.
And the guns have to be locked in a safe, unloaded, with bullets locked somewhere else.
And you can't have more than like 200 bullets.
And you're getting checked every now and then by the officers.
And no automatic weapons.
You can have all the best intentions in the world, but if some girl doesn't want to have sex with your zit faced greasy teenage kid, all bets are off.
And maybe she complains about not finding a decent guy after that.
I'm going to be a little judgemental here and say that a guy who commits mass murder probably doesn't qualify as decent.
Hmm. Sure. Lets let people with more intellect than a gun loving yank articulate it
https://sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/2018/03/13/gun-laws-stopped-mass-shootings-in-australia.htmlQuoteThe odds that a 22-year absence of mass shootings in Australia since 1996 gun reforms are due to chance are one in 200,000, new research reveals.
Published today in the Annals of Internal Medicine, scholars at the University of Sydney and Macquarie University used mathematical techniques to test the null hypothesis that the rate of mass shootings in Australia before and after the 1996 law reforms is unchanged.
The National Firearms Agreement, enacted after the Port Arthur massacre in Tasmania in which 35 died and another 23 were seriously injured, saw the destruction of more than a million firearms—perhaps a third of the country's private gun stock.
" Most people hear these starkly contrasting numbers and conclude that Australia's gun law reforms effectively stopped firearm massacres here. "
Emeritus Professor Simon Chapman, University of Sydney
The Agreement included uniform gun registration, repudiation of self-defence as a legitimate reason to hold a firearm licence, mandatory locked storage, a ban on mail order sales and standardised penalties, and the banning of semi-automatic rifles and pump action shot guns from civilian ownership.
Its provisions were subsequently enacted in national, state and territory legislation across Australia.
In the 18 years up to and including the Port Arthur massacre in 1996, there were 13-gun homicides in which five or more people died, not including the perpetrator. In the 22 years since, there have been no such incidents.
“Most people hear these starkly contrasting numbers and conclude that Australia’s gun law reforms effectively stopped firearm massacres here,” says the paper’s lead author, Emeritus Professor Simon Chapman of the University of Sydney.
“However, some scholars and members of the gun lobby have argued that since mass shootings are relatively rare events, the concentration of incidents in one decade and their absence in another decade is merely a statistical anomaly.”
For example, Australian researcher Dr Samara McPhedran writing in The Conversation said: “Mass shootings are rare events, and the long gap between incidents post-1996 may simply reflect a return to a more ‘normal’ state of affairs, similar to the years before 1987.”
" Australia followed standard public health procedures to reduce the risk of multiple shooting events, and we can see the evidence. It worked. "
Associate Professor Philip Alpers, University of Sydney
"This was no accident," says the new study’s co-author Associate Professor Philip Alpers, from the University of Sydney.
"Australia followed standard public health procedures to reduce the risk of multiple shooting events, and we can see the evidence. It worked.
"Gun lobby-affiliated and other researchers have been saying for years that mass shootings are such rare events it could have been a matter of luck they dropped off in the wake of Australia's gun control laws," says Alpers. "Instead, we found the odds against this hypothesis are 200,000 to one."
In related news, Tasmania's re-elected Premier has defended the Liberals' policy to relax the state's gun laws, despite an outcry from survivors of the Port Arthur shooting.
First of all, that's an opinion piece. I can post an opinion piece for the opposite.
https://www.quora.com/If-gun-laws-in-1996-in-Australia-stopped-mass-shootings-why-do-the-most-dangerous-cities-in-America-have-the-toughest-gun-regulations
But, here's a couple of videos explaining my point.
Just curious Luke, do you accept that tighter gun control measures are a good thing? If so, what measures would you suggest.
And where exactly are these high gun homicides and mass shootings taking place within the state? Are they taking place in the counties that, as you say, don't care about enforcing the laws?
Not really. One reason I wouldn't expect that to be the case is that I know many counties of California don't really give a shit about enforcing those laws.
Not only that, California gun ownership rates are still incredibly high, even with the laws, which are strict, but only for US standards. Guns and stockpiles of ammunition are still readily available to more or less anyone. At any rate, I wouldn't expect the laws to completely nullify the issue, especially when they're on a state and not a federal level.They're not available to just anyone legally. You have to pass a background check.
First of all, I didn't really try to make an argument against handguns in particular. But assault rifles have other characteristics that can make them very deadly, such as their range, accuracy and firepower.All that is pretty much moot when most mass shootings settings are close range. There's really only two shootings where a rifle's range, accuracy, and firepower was advantageous.
But of course large magazines can be pretty useful for criminals too. Actually, they're mostly useful JUST for criminals and maybe the police in certain cases, you don't really need a large magazine for hunting or target shooting or selfe defense.
I don't. If people having 50 pairs of shoes or more than one car for each person was a potential danger for people, then I wouldn't really mind restrictions.
Is that why the Las Vegas shooter had 14 assault rifles and lots of magazines with him?
But I know some countries have instituted checks to retain your license. On the other hand, there have been cases in the US where people who obviously shouldn't have been granted access to guns (even per the law) do end up having access to them anyways because of bad law enforcement, like the recent case with the person who shot up that fast food place. Then you have all the states that don't even have those checks, and you can see a lot of these people wouldn't have been granted a license if there was a law in place.
And yet cars have killed more people than firearms.
Hmm. Sure. Lets let people with more intellect than a gun loving yank articulate it
https://sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/2018/03/13/gun-laws-stopped-mass-shootings-in-australia.htmlQuoteThe odds that a 22-year absence of mass shootings in Australia since 1996 gun reforms are due to chance are one in 200,000, new research reveals.
Published today in the Annals of Internal Medicine, scholars at the University of Sydney and Macquarie University used mathematical techniques to test the null hypothesis that the rate of mass shootings in Australia before and after the 1996 law reforms is unchanged.
The National Firearms Agreement, enacted after the Port Arthur massacre in Tasmania in which 35 died and another 23 were seriously injured, saw the destruction of more than a million firearms—perhaps a third of the country's private gun stock.
" Most people hear these starkly contrasting numbers and conclude that Australia's gun law reforms effectively stopped firearm massacres here. "
Emeritus Professor Simon Chapman, University of Sydney
The Agreement included uniform gun registration, repudiation of self-defence as a legitimate reason to hold a firearm licence, mandatory locked storage, a ban on mail order sales and standardised penalties, and the banning of semi-automatic rifles and pump action shot guns from civilian ownership.
Its provisions were subsequently enacted in national, state and territory legislation across Australia.
In the 18 years up to and including the Port Arthur massacre in 1996, there were 13-gun homicides in which five or more people died, not including the perpetrator. In the 22 years since, there have been no such incidents.
“Most people hear these starkly contrasting numbers and conclude that Australia’s gun law reforms effectively stopped firearm massacres here,” says the paper’s lead author, Emeritus Professor Simon Chapman of the University of Sydney.
“However, some scholars and members of the gun lobby have argued that since mass shootings are relatively rare events, the concentration of incidents in one decade and their absence in another decade is merely a statistical anomaly.”
For example, Australian researcher Dr Samara McPhedran writing in The Conversation said: “Mass shootings are rare events, and the long gap between incidents post-1996 may simply reflect a return to a more ‘normal’ state of affairs, similar to the years before 1987.”
" Australia followed standard public health procedures to reduce the risk of multiple shooting events, and we can see the evidence. It worked. "
Associate Professor Philip Alpers, University of Sydney
"This was no accident," says the new study’s co-author Associate Professor Philip Alpers, from the University of Sydney.
"Australia followed standard public health procedures to reduce the risk of multiple shooting events, and we can see the evidence. It worked.
"Gun lobby-affiliated and other researchers have been saying for years that mass shootings are such rare events it could have been a matter of luck they dropped off in the wake of Australia's gun control laws," says Alpers. "Instead, we found the odds against this hypothesis are 200,000 to one."
In related news, Tasmania's re-elected Premier has defended the Liberals' policy to relax the state's gun laws, despite an outcry from survivors of the Port Arthur shooting.
First of all, that's an opinion piece. I can post an opinion piece for the opposite.
https://www.quora.com/If-gun-laws-in-1996-in-Australia-stopped-mass-shootings-why-do-the-most-dangerous-cities-in-America-have-the-toughest-gun-regulations
But, here's a couple of videos explaining my point.
The link I gave is research that is put on some news sites opinion page. Doesn't make the reserarch conducted by geeks smarter than you or I, merely 'some random opinion'. Did you even read it?
Are you suggesting to me, and all of Australia, that the banning of guns and stricter gun laws and controls has not saved a single innocents life (I don't consider outlaw bikie gangs innocent).
Would you agree with the 'opinion' that there are people alive today that would not have been had the guns never been banned? And I'm not just talking about people who would suicide although I am sure there are plenty of people who have been suicidal that have gotten help and recovered because they didn't have a gun to give them no second chances.
If you think the gun banning in Australia didn't save a single life then you are nothing but a crazy gun nut. I'm glad Australia didn't join the slippery slope of America. I'm glad I can send my kids to school and not have him scanned by armed police as he enters or worried some crazy rejected dick wants to shoot everyone. You may have had legitimate reasons for civilians having guns centuries ago, but how has having guns helped you against your government since? And how many people have lost their lives to the damn things?
Your government will always be one step ahead in terms of firepower. You want to bring a gun to a drone fight? Good luck. Besides, there are so many levels of the government controlling your lives you people aren't even free. You have no privacy, no secrets and are simply cattle. You are worse off in terms of your freedoms and the governments control over your lives than you were centuries ago. Your guns have failed you, and all you have to boast about them are thousands of holes in the ground filled with people and children gone before their time. Bravo!
And yet cars have killed more people than firearms.
The most stupid fallback argument of the ignorant gun nut. The purpose of a firearm is ultimately to kill/maim. As a tool it is not useful for anything else.
The purpose of a car is transportation. Do you see why you example is shit and looks stupid?
And yet cars have killed more people than firearms.
The most stupid fallback argument of the ignorant gun nut. The purpose of a firearm is ultimately to kill/maim. As a tool it is not useful for anything else.
The purpose of a car is transportation. Do you see why you example is shit and looks stupid?
DNO stated that if an item had the potential to harm people then he wouldn't mind restrictions. He dud not directly state that if an item was directly used to harm people then he would be fine with restrictions. Also firearms in the hands of law abiding citizens have save 100s of thousands lives.
And yet cars have killed more people than firearms.
The most stupid fallback argument of the ignorant gun nut. The purpose of a firearm is ultimately to kill/maim. As a tool it is not useful for anything else.
The purpose of a car is transportation. Do you see why you example is shit and looks stupid?
DNO stated that if an item had the potential to harm people then he wouldn't mind restrictions. He dud not directly state that if an item was directly used to harm people then he would be fine with restrictions. Also firearms in the hands of law abiding citizens have save 100s of thousands lives.
This is how you do it.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/parkland/florida-school-shooting/fl-sb-douglas-parents-families-rifles-pac-20180529-story.html
And yet cars have killed more people than firearms.
The most stupid fallback argument of the ignorant gun nut. The purpose of a firearm is ultimately to kill/maim. As a tool it is not useful for anything else.
The purpose of a car is transportation. Do you see why you example is shit and looks stupid?
DNO stated that if an item had the potential to harm people then he wouldn't mind restrictions. He dud not directly state that if an item was directly used to harm people then he would be fine with restrictions. Also firearms in the hands of law abiding citizens have save 100s of thousands lives.
There are lots of legal restrictions on using automobiles. There are more restrictions on them than there are on guns.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Here is a long winded explanation of what that means . . .
https://www.lectlaw.com/files/gun01.htm
Section 1. After one year from the ratification of this article the manufacture, sale, or transportation of intoxicating liquors within, the importation thereof into, or the exportation thereof from the United States and all the territory subject to the jurisdiction thereof for beverage purposes is hereby prohibited.
Section 2. The Congress and the several States shall have concurrent power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
Section 3. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of the several States, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from the date of the submission hereof to the States by the Congress.
I wonder what happened to that one...
And yet cars have killed more people than firearms.
The most stupid fallback argument of the ignorant gun nut. The purpose of a firearm is ultimately to kill/maim. As a tool it is not useful for anything else.
The purpose of a car is transportation. Do you see why you example is shit and looks stupid?
DNO stated that if an item had the potential to harm people then he wouldn't mind restrictions. He dud not directly state that if an item was directly used to harm people then he would be fine with restrictions. Also firearms in the hands of law abiding citizens have save 100s of thousands lives.
There are restrictions on vehicles, licensing and a lot of regulation and laws about your behaviour behind the wheel. And firearms saving '100s of thousands' of lives.. How many were from people because of a firearm in the first place?
And yet cars have killed more people than firearms.
The most stupid fallback argument of the ignorant gun nut. The purpose of a firearm is ultimately to kill/maim. As a tool it is not useful for anything else.
The purpose of a car is transportation. Do you see why you example is shit and looks stupid?
DNO stated that if an item had the potential to harm people then he wouldn't mind restrictions. He dud not directly state that if an item was directly used to harm people then he would be fine with restrictions. Also firearms in the hands of law abiding citizens have save 100s of thousands lives.
There are restrictions on vehicles, licensing and a lot of regulation and laws about your behaviour behind the wheel. And firearms saving '100s of thousands' of lives.. How many were from people because of a firearm in the first place?
I answered your first point in response to SCG, I don't understand your second point.
And yet cars have killed more people than firearms.
The most stupid fallback argument of the ignorant gun nut. The purpose of a firearm is ultimately to kill/maim. As a tool it is not useful for anything else.
The purpose of a car is transportation. Do you see why you example is shit and looks stupid?
DNO stated that if an item had the potential to harm people then he wouldn't mind restrictions. He dud not directly state that if an item was directly used to harm people then he would be fine with restrictions. Also firearms in the hands of law abiding citizens have save 100s of thousands lives.
There are restrictions on vehicles, licensing and a lot of regulation and laws about your behaviour behind the wheel. And firearms saving '100s of thousands' of lives.. How many were from people because of a firearm in the first place?
I answered your first point in response to SCG, I don't understand your second point.
You say that guns have saved hundreds of thousands of lives. I'm not sure where or how you arrived at that number but my question was how many of those lives were in jeopardy because someone had a gun about to kill them in the first place?
Say someone breaks into your home with a gun and is ready to kill you but you use your gun and kill him first. It is likely you would not have been threatened to begin with if that other guy did not have a gun.
You live in a state of affairs where you need a gun because everyone else has a gun. That is not freedom. Hate to break it to you. Freedom is being able to sleep at night not even conceiving someone killing you in your own home. Guns have not made you free. In fact the opposite. But go ahead and heap praise on your guns. You are simply ignorant as to the misery they have brought to your nation.
And yet cars have killed more people than firearms.
The most stupid fallback argument of the ignorant gun nut. The purpose of a firearm is ultimately to kill/maim. As a tool it is not useful for anything else.
The purpose of a car is transportation. Do you see why you example is shit and looks stupid?
DNO stated that if an item had the potential to harm people then he wouldn't mind restrictions. He dud not directly state that if an item was directly used to harm people then he would be fine with restrictions. Also firearms in the hands of law abiding citizens have save 100s of thousands lives.
There are lots of legal restrictions on using automobiles. There are more restrictions on them than there are on guns.
I'd beg to differ. A felon can buy and drive a vehicle on public roads. He can't buy a firearm. You can drive with a permit as young as 14 in some states and with that permit, you can drive not only anywhere in the United States, but in many countries also. With firearms, unless you're a police officer, you can only carry in certain states. The list goes on. In fact, there are 20,000 laws dealing with firearms alone.
I got my first shotgun when I was 9 years old. Santa brought it to me.
Exactly...A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Here is a long winded explanation of what that means . . .
https://www.lectlaw.com/files/gun01.htm
Section 1. After one year from the ratification of this article the manufacture, sale, or transportation of intoxicating liquors within, the importation thereof into, or the exportation thereof from the United States and all the territory subject to the jurisdiction thereof for beverage purposes is hereby prohibited.
Section 2. The Congress and the several States shall have concurrent power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
Section 3. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of the several States, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from the date of the submission hereof to the States by the Congress.
I wonder what happened to that one...
It was repealed.
I got my first shotgun when I was 9 years old. Santa brought it to me.
This scene definitely needs to be in the movie of your life.
First the whole pigs, now this? How redneck are you on a scale of 1 to 100?I got my first shotgun when I was 9 years old. Santa brought it to me.
This scene definitely needs to be in the movie of your life.
Besides my first bicycle, that was my favorite Christmas present. I still have it! (not the bicycle, tho)
First the whole pigs, now this? How redneck are you on a scale of 1 to 100?I got my first shotgun when I was 9 years old. Santa brought it to me.
This scene definitely needs to be in the movie of your life.
Besides my first bicycle, that was my favorite Christmas present. I still have it! (not the bicycle, tho)
I want rigorous facts:First the whole pigs, now this? How redneck are you on a scale of 1 to 100?I got my first shotgun when I was 9 years old. Santa brought it to me.
This scene definitely needs to be in the movie of your life.
Besides my first bicycle, that was my favorite Christmas present. I still have it! (not the bicycle, tho)
Well, I don't wear boots and a cowboy hat or spit tobacco so probably around 50.
You are 56% Redneck. You are a Monster Truck Enthusiast!Well, your estimate was pretty close.
Even if you ain't a redneck per se, you ain't a full-blooded Yankee neither. Maybe you'd even enjoy the occasional Monster Truck Rally, if you were willing to give it a shot!
Some of the questions didn't have an answer that was true, so I just picked the one that was close.
I could argue that you're not really free since you have to wear your seatbelt because of all the maniacs on the highway. The fact is I don't think about carrying constantly. I carry my firearm and forget about it just like most people carry their phones and forget about it.
And yet cars have killed more people than firearms.
The most stupid fallback argument of the ignorant gun nut. The purpose of a firearm is ultimately to kill/maim. As a tool it is not useful for anything else.
The purpose of a car is transportation. Do you see why you example is shit and looks stupid?
DNO stated that if an item had the potential to harm people then he wouldn't mind restrictions. He dud not directly state that if an item was directly used to harm people then he would be fine with restrictions. Also firearms in the hands of law abiding citizens have save 100s of thousands lives.
There are lots of legal restrictions on using automobiles. There are more restrictions on them than there are on guns.
I'd beg to differ. A felon can buy and drive a vehicle on public roads. He can't buy a firearm. You can drive with a permit as young as 14 in some states and with that permit, you can drive not only anywhere in the United States, but in many countries also. With firearms, unless you're a police officer, you can only carry in certain states. The list goes on. In fact, there are 20,000 laws dealing with firearms alone.
What does a felon being allowed to drive have to do with it? A vehicle's purpose isn't to hurt or kill people/other animals. In order for this to be relevant you'd have to show that ex-felons are using their access to vehicles to purposely kill people at some significant rate. I'm sure there have been people, both felons and not, who have used their vehicle as a weapon, but is this an issue worthy of banning felons from driving?
I got my first shotgun when I was 9 years old. Santa brought it to me. I couldn't legally purchase a gun, but there's no law against your parents getting you one, and letting you shoot it. The same is not true for driving a car.
Where did you get your 20,000 gun laws statistic? The NRA. I'm sure you've ignored the debunking of that statistic, like most people who aren't really interested in talking about reducing gun violence. This has been a talking point since the 1960's! In fact the majority of states have laws against local gun laws.
My question to people who think we just need to enforce the laws we already have - Which of these "20,000 gun laws" aren't being enforced?
Seatbelts can be constricting.I could argue that you're not really free since you have to wear your seatbelt because of all the maniacs on the highway. The fact is I don't think about carrying constantly. I carry my firearm and forget about it just like most people carry their phones and forget about it.
How does a seatbelt infringe my freedom?
How does it endanger my life? How do others wearing theirs endanger anyone elses life?How are these questions relevant to what I said?
I would wear one even if it were not law. You bring the most obscure, ridiculous and stupid analogies to defend guns. I get you guys have long past the point of no return. But seatbelts aren't going to kill or injure me. How about that pro gun advocate bitch who left her loaded gun on the floor of the car and her 2 year old grabbed it and shot her in the back through the seat? Yep. Sure made her safer ??? ::) Good thing you don't have that seat belt law. ::)
You are in denial that guns over the centuries have brought more misery than they have freedom. And you bring in the 'seat belts law' as your defense lol.
How does a seatbelt infringe my freedom?Seatbelts can be constricting.
Are you retarded?How does a seatbelt infringe my freedom?Seatbelts can be constricting.
I could argue that you're not really free since you have to wear your seatbelt because of all the maniacs on the highway. The fact is I don't think about carrying constantly. I carry my firearm and forget about it just like most people carry their phones and forget about it.And that, folks, is what's wrong with the usa.
Your complaint was that gun regulations are more lax than car regulations. I provided examples of laws where gun regulations are stricter than car regulations. I will point out, though, that criminals do use cars to aid them in a commision of a crime most of the time. Criminals use cars to transport drugs, stolen money and property, and getawey vehicles.
Actually it is true. On private property you can drive a car.
Plus if you own a tractor, you can drive on public roads without any license whatsoever.
Are you retarded?How does a seatbelt infringe my freedom?Seatbelts can be constricting.QuoteI could argue that you're not really free since you have to wear your seatbelt because of all the maniacs on the highway. The fact is I don't think about carrying constantly. I carry my firearm and forget about it just like most people carry their phones and forget about it.And that, folks, is what's wrong with the usa.
How does a seatbelt infringe my freedom?Seat belts infringe on your freedom to die or be seriously injured in an accident.
Where are the examples you claim to have provided? Did you forget to post them?
Also, what does arresting someone visited 30 times by the police have to do with gun laws? Are they being visited by the police for having guns? For threatening someone with a gun? If that is the case, why didn't the police do their job?
I asked which of the existing "20,000 gun laws" aren't being enforced. Do you even know any of them?
How does a seatbelt infringe my freedom?Seatbelts can be constricting.
Constricting how? You are driving a car not getting a blow job.
I think you would like this shirt
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Your complaint was that gun regulations are more lax than car regulations. I provided examples of laws where gun regulations are stricter than car regulations. I will point out, though, that criminals do use cars to aid them in a commision of a crime most of the time. Criminals use cars to transport drugs, stolen money and property, and getawey vehicles.
Lol these are some great mental gymnastics. I don't know why gun advocates like to equate guns with cars so much. They're obviously not the same thing.
QuoteActually it is true. On private property you can drive a car.
Yeah, on private property.
QuotePlus if you own a tractor, you can drive on public roads without any license whatsoever.
Tractors aren't exactly dangerous to other people. They kind of are in some cases, but when you're going at 30kph it really isn't that much of a danger for the public. Although I know there are certain restrictions for what you can do with them in a highway in most countries, but that's for a different reason (they're slow af and they obstruct other cars).
No, the conversation is about mass shootings. You keep bringing up vehicles.I don't understand why gun advocates are so obsessed with vehicles.
No, the conversation is about mass shootings. You keep bringing up vehicles.I don't understand why gun advocates are so obsessed with vehicles.
No, the conversation is about mass shootings. You keep bringing up vehicles.I don't understand why gun advocates are so obsessed with vehicles.
No, the conversation is about mass shootings. You keep bringing up vehicles.I don't understand why gun advocates are so obsessed with vehicles.
Because lots of people die in vehicles, so they think if they bring that up they can prove that guns aren't such a problem. They tend to ignore the fact that we have adjusted the laws regarding vehicles many times, and that traffic fatalities are almost back to 1950s levels (despite having millions more cars on the road).
There is no such thing as an "assault weapon." I could assault you with a baseball bat or a screw driver.Are baseball bats and screwdrivers specifically designed to assault people?
There is no such thing as an "assault weapon." I could assault you with a baseball bat or a screw driver.Are baseball bats and screwdrivers specifically designed to assault people?
All tools have the potential to be used to assault someone.
How close can you get to the correct numbers?I was pretty close overall (the deviation was probably about 8% on average) but I consistently picked a lower percentage than the actual one...
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/guns-parkland-polling-quiz/
Lockdown, lockdown, lock the door
Shut the lights off, say no more
Go behind the desk and hide
Wait until it’s safe inside
Lockdown, lockdown, it’s all done
Now it’s time to have some fun!
Five people were killed Thursday afternoon after a gunman opened fire inside the offices of the Capital Gazette, a newspaper in the Maryland capital, Annapolis, police officials said. A suspect is in custody.
William Krampf, the acting police chief of Anne Arundel County, said at a news conference that several other people were "gravely injured." "The investigation has just started; it will take quite a while to determine what occurred and why it occurred," he said at a news conference.
Three senior law enforcement officials who were briefed on the shooting said the suspect in custody is a white man. They said it is believed that he used a shotgun. Police would not identify the gun used.
Phil Davis, a Gazette crime reporter who was in the office, recounted the shooting on Twitter.
"Gunman shot through the glass door to the office and opened fire on multiple employees," Davis said. "Can't say much more and don't want to declare anyone dead, but it's bad."
"There is nothing more terrifying than hearing multiple people get shot while you're under your desk and then hear the gunman reload," Davis said in another tweet.
Anne Arundel County Police Lt. Ryan Frashure said police were still talking to the suspect and a motive has not been determined.
https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/homenews/media/394715-milo-yiannopoulos-my-call-for-shooting-journalists-was-just-a-troll%3famp
I can almost hear milo high fiving people.
So far it looks like he had a vendetta against that specific newspaper for publicising a crime he committed.
https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/homenews/media/394715-milo-yiannopoulos-my-call-for-shooting-journalists-was-just-a-troll%3fampThe shooting was just a prank, bro.
I can almost hear milo high fiving people.
Now Milo is threatening to sue The Observer for defamation. lol
He mother and sister were found in bed together, after he claims his mother tried to kill him and ended up killing his sister in the process, which he then shot his mother through the eye.Come again?
He mother and sister were found in bed together, after he claims his mother tried to kill him and ended up killing his sister in the process, which he then shot his mother through the eye.Come again?
This guy claims his mother pointed a gun directly at him while he slept. He woke up to a barrel in his face and days he dodged 6 bullets. His sister came out to see what was going on and the mother cracked her in the head with the butt of the gun on accident, killing her. He then got a single shot rifle and got her through the eye. In the commotion, the gas which was stored in his room got spiked, and turning on lights ignited the gas and blew him out the door. This is according to him.He mother and sister were found in bed together, after he claims his mother tried to kill him and ended up killing his sister in the process, which he then shot his mother through the eye.Come again?
Pretty damn fucked up either way.This guy claims his mother pointed a gun directly at him while he slept. He woke up to a barrel in his face and days he dodged 6 bullets. His sister came out to see what was going on and the mother cracked her in the head with the butt of the gun on accident, killing her. He then got a single shot rifle and got her through the eye. In the commotion, the gas which was stored in his room got spiked, and turning on lights ignited the gas and blew him out the door. This is according to him.He mother and sister were found in bed together, after he claims his mother tried to kill him and ended up killing his sister in the process, which he then shot his mother through the eye.Come again?
However, investigators found the burnt corpses of his mom and sister together in bed. Hard to imagine 2 dead women climbing in bed together.
Pretty damn fucked up either way.This guy claims his mother pointed a gun directly at him while he slept. He woke up to a barrel in his face and days he dodged 6 bullets. His sister came out to see what was going on and the mother cracked her in the head with the butt of the gun on accident, killing her. He then got a single shot rifle and got her through the eye. In the commotion, the gas which was stored in his room got spiked, and turning on lights ignited the gas and blew him out the door. This is according to him.He mother and sister were found in bed together, after he claims his mother tried to kill him and ended up killing his sister in the process, which he then shot his mother through the eye.Come again?
However, investigators found the burnt corpses of his mom and sister together in bed. Hard to imagine 2 dead women climbing in bed together.
I'm so tired of people bringing up excuses in trials to evade responsibility. Like when criminals magically present with a 'previously undiagnosed' mental illness like bipolar.
This guy claims his mother pointed a gun directly at him while he slept. He woke up to a barrel in his face and days he dodged 6 bullets.Did he do it in slow-mo bullet time Neo style though?
Yeah, it's almost like people don't want to go to jail!
I'm so tired of people bringing up excuses in trials to evade responsibility.
Yeah, it's almost like people don't want to go to jail!
I'm so tired of people bringing up excuses in trials to evade responsibility.
Yeah, it's almost like people don't want to go to jail!
I'm so tired of people bringing up excuses in trials to evade responsibility.
:191 And kill them wherever you find them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah [disbelief] is worse than killing
Fight them until there is no [more] fitnah [disbelief] and worship is for Allah. But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors.
21Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: 22But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. 23Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee; 24Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
There is only one true King.
There is only one true King.
Per kingdom at any given time.
There really is only one King and one Kingdom. The rest are mere titles given of and from men.
There really is only one King and one Kingdom. The rest are mere titles given of and from men.
I'm not sure what's happening.God made the Toronto attack happen because King Tut one existed?
Multiple dead in mass shooting in Jacksonville, Florida — live updates
Multiple people have been killed in a mass shooting in Jacksonville, Florida, police said. The Jacksonville Sheriff's Office said authorities are responding to the Jacksonville Landing marketplace in the city's downtown area, where an esports video game tournament was being held.
The sheriff's office said one suspect was dead at the scene.
Police urged anyone hiding inside the building to remain calm and wait for police to reach them. "SWAT is doing a methodical search inside The Landing," the office said. "We will get to you. Please don't come running out."
GLHF Game Bar in the Jacksonville Landing was hosting a regional esports tournament for players of EA's Madden 19 on Sunday, according to a schedule posted two days ago on the EA Sports website. Apparent gunshots can be heard in recordings from the tournament on the bar's Twitch account, which was streaming the competition.
In a Facebook message, the bar told CBS News that all staff members and the owner were able to escape "untouched."
Florida Gov. Rick Scott tweeted that he offered state resources to the local sheriff's office.
The school shootings are the worst. There's something extra evil about killing small children. The fact that this keeps happening just makes me angry that we offer nothing but thoughts and prayers.
You have, like, an absurd amount of wealth as a country, is it THAT difficult to appoint a number of psychologists at every school and have regular check ups/sessions for the children to prevent shit like this and improve everyone's quality of life?
The state too has a whole lot of wealth though. They just prefer to use it to build drones to blow up brown people in distant countries.You have, like, an absurd amount of wealth as a country, is it THAT difficult to appoint a number of psychologists at every school and have regular check ups/sessions for the children to prevent shit like this and improve everyone's quality of life?
It's more accurate to say that a very small handful of people here have an absurd amount of wealth. Unfortunately they're also greedy assholes who have devolved into a kind of ayn rand cult of disdain for normal people.
I work at a pharmacy and the pharmacist has two guns under his work station. They've been there for at least the ten years I've worked here and not once has those two guns got up themselves and shot somebody...Interesting story. When I was little I used to have a tortoise. But someone stole it.
Edit: Just sayin ;)
The state too has a whole lot of wealth though. They just prefer to use it to build drones to blow up brown people in distant countries.You have, like, an absurd amount of wealth as a country, is it THAT difficult to appoint a number of psychologists at every school and have regular check ups/sessions for the children to prevent shit like this and improve everyone's quality of life?
It's more accurate to say that a very small handful of people here have an absurd amount of wealth. Unfortunately they're also greedy assholes who have devolved into a kind of ayn rand cult of disdain for normal people.
I work at a pharmacy and the pharmacist has two guns under his work station. They've been there for at least the ten years I've worked here and not once has those two guns got up themselves and shot somebody...Interesting story. When I was little I used to have a tortoise. But someone stole it.
Edit: Just sayin ;)
Yes, have you? It's ridiculous how much is spent for the military.The state too has a whole lot of wealth though. They just prefer to use it to build drones to blow up brown people in distant countries.You have, like, an absurd amount of wealth as a country, is it THAT difficult to appoint a number of psychologists at every school and have regular check ups/sessions for the children to prevent shit like this and improve everyone's quality of life?
It's more accurate to say that a very small handful of people here have an absurd amount of wealth. Unfortunately they're also greedy assholes who have devolved into a kind of ayn rand cult of disdain for normal people.
Have you ever looked up the US budget?
Yes, have you? It's ridiculous how much is spent for the military.The state too has a whole lot of wealth though. They just prefer to use it to build drones to blow up brown people in distant countries.You have, like, an absurd amount of wealth as a country, is it THAT difficult to appoint a number of psychologists at every school and have regular check ups/sessions for the children to prevent shit like this and improve everyone's quality of life?
It's more accurate to say that a very small handful of people here have an absurd amount of wealth. Unfortunately they're also greedy assholes who have devolved into a kind of ayn rand cult of disdain for normal people.
Have you ever looked up the US budget?
I know right. And it’s not even on the top. Just think, the US spends more on welfare than warfare.Yes, have you? It's ridiculous how much is spent for the military.The state too has a whole lot of wealth though. They just prefer to use it to build drones to blow up brown people in distant countries.You have, like, an absurd amount of wealth as a country, is it THAT difficult to appoint a number of psychologists at every school and have regular check ups/sessions for the children to prevent shit like this and improve everyone's quality of life?
It's more accurate to say that a very small handful of people here have an absurd amount of wealth. Unfortunately they're also greedy assholes who have devolved into a kind of ayn rand cult of disdain for normal people.
Have you ever looked up the US budget?
The Italians actually got their ass handed to them so they asked for Hitler's assistance. These hypothetical scenarios are kinda silly, but, if someone was indispensible in fighting Hitler, that would probably be the USSR. Anyways, I'm pretty sure everyone recognizes the US' contribution to WWII. It's the idiotic wars after that that everyone hates.Yes, have you? It's ridiculous how much is spent for the military.The state too has a whole lot of wealth though. They just prefer to use it to build drones to blow up brown people in distant countries.You have, like, an absurd amount of wealth as a country, is it THAT difficult to appoint a number of psychologists at every school and have regular check ups/sessions for the children to prevent shit like this and improve everyone's quality of life?
It's more accurate to say that a very small handful of people here have an absurd amount of wealth. Unfortunately they're also greedy assholes who have devolved into a kind of ayn rand cult of disdain for normal people.
Have you ever looked up the US budget?
If it wasn't for us, you might be speaking German right now, bub. ;)
Or maybe Italian.
OH WOW!!! Wait, what is this supposed to prove again?I know right. And it’s not even on the top. Just think, the US spends more on welfare than warfare.Yes, have you? It's ridiculous how much is spent for the military.The state too has a whole lot of wealth though. They just prefer to use it to build drones to blow up brown people in distant countries.You have, like, an absurd amount of wealth as a country, is it THAT difficult to appoint a number of psychologists at every school and have regular check ups/sessions for the children to prevent shit like this and improve everyone's quality of life?
It's more accurate to say that a very small handful of people here have an absurd amount of wealth. Unfortunately they're also greedy assholes who have devolved into a kind of ayn rand cult of disdain for normal people.
Have you ever looked up the US budget?
The Ottoman Empire actually invaded and conquered both Italy and Greece.Yyyyeah... Um... I think you may have messed up your timeline a bit... Also they never conquered Italy.
I was just pointing out how you were wrong.OH WOW!!! Wait, what is this supposed to prove again?I know right. And it’s not even on the top. Just think, the US spends more on welfare than warfare.Yes, have you? It's ridiculous how much is spent for the military.The state too has a whole lot of wealth though. They just prefer to use it to build drones to blow up brown people in distant countries.You have, like, an absurd amount of wealth as a country, is it THAT difficult to appoint a number of psychologists at every school and have regular check ups/sessions for the children to prevent shit like this and improve everyone's quality of life?
It's more accurate to say that a very small handful of people here have an absurd amount of wealth. Unfortunately they're also greedy assholes who have devolved into a kind of ayn rand cult of disdain for normal people.
Have you ever looked up the US budget?
I was just pointing out how you were wrong.OH WOW!!! Wait, what is this supposed to prove again?I know right. And it’s not even on the top. Just think, the US spends more on welfare than warfare.Yes, have you? It's ridiculous how much is spent for the military.The state too has a whole lot of wealth though. They just prefer to use it to build drones to blow up brown people in distant countries.You have, like, an absurd amount of wealth as a country, is it THAT difficult to appoint a number of psychologists at every school and have regular check ups/sessions for the children to prevent shit like this and improve everyone's quality of life?
It's more accurate to say that a very small handful of people here have an absurd amount of wealth. Unfortunately they're also greedy assholes who have devolved into a kind of ayn rand cult of disdain for normal people.
Have you ever looked up the US budget?
He's always mad, bro.I guess some people just use forums to vent their anger...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/10/27/pittsburgh-police-responding-active-shooting-squirrel-hill-area/?utm_term=.bb27a8e58a10Incorrect.
Wow! Almost two months without another mass shooting.
And people wonder why we're so quick to shut down d1's "jokes".
And people wonder why we're so quick to shut down d1's "jokes".
That is a silly thing to say.
And people wonder why we're so quick to shut down d1's "jokes".
That is a silly thing to say.
And people wonder why we're so quick to shut down d1's "jokes".
That is a silly thing to say.
D1 was just parroting the crazed brainwashing he got over at 4chan, I doubt he ever even knew any one who is jewish.
I wonder if Adelson is going to cut back his funding?
And people wonder why we're so quick to shut down d1's "jokes".
That is a silly thing to say.
D1 was just parroting the crazed brainwashing he got over at 4chan, I doubt he ever even knew any one who is jewish.
I wonder if Adelson is going to cut back his funding?
Lol, you are the last person to talk about blindly parroting things.
Are you defending D1's anti-semitic memes that he got infected with on 4chan?
Are you defending D1's anti-semitic memes that he got infected with on 4chan?
You are so predictable Rayzor. Reminds me of that moron lady reporter that interviewed Robert Peterson.
Peterson "I like apples"
Reporter "Apples are red, the Nazi flag is red, so what you are saying is you support Nazis and beating women?"
So again, I simply said you don't have room to talk about blindly following anything.
Are you defending D1's anti-semitic memes that he got infected with on 4chan?
You are so predictable Rayzor. Reminds me of that moron lady reporter that interviewed Robert Peterson.
Peterson "I like apples"
Reporter "Apples are red, the Nazi flag is red, so what you are saying is you support Nazis and beating women?"
So again, I simply said you don't have room to talk about blindly following anything.
How about trying to make a rational argument. Or can I just assume you are ignorant and unwilling to learn the truth?
What am I to think of you when you say such stupid things?
Are you defending D1's anti-semitic memes that he got infected with on 4chan?
You are so predictable Rayzor. Reminds me of that moron lady reporter that interviewed Robert Peterson.
Peterson "I like apples"
Reporter "Apples are red, the Nazi flag is red, so what you are saying is you support Nazis and beating women?"
So again, I simply said you don't have room to talk about blindly following anything.
How about trying to make a rational argument. Or can I just assume you are ignorant and unwilling to learn the truth?
What am I to think of you when you say such stupid things?
The interview was that bad, I can post it if you want to watch it. You are also proving what I just said true again by attempting to put words in my mouth.
As for your views, yes, you are brainwashed and have no thoughts of your own...you prove this with at least every other post here. It's for all to see.
So, let me get this straight, D1 is a friend of yours from way back, I understand that, but you stood by and watched him go off the rails into psycho-land when everyone here was trying to warn him that the path he was travelling on would lead to madness.
I hindsight, that approach of trying to reason with him was probably never going to work, he got so deep into the Anon bullshit he was never going to get out with his mind intact.
The anti-semitic stuff he posted was over the top, and he rightly got bammed for it. Stop defending the indefensible.
So, let me get this straight, D1 is a friend of yours from way back, I understand that, but you stood by and watched him go off the rails into psycho-land when everyone here was trying to warn him that the path he was travelling on would lead to madness.
I hindsight, that approach of trying to reason with him was probably never going to work, he got so deep into the Anon bullshit he was never going to get out with his mind intact.
The anti-semitic stuff he posted was over the top, and he rightly got bammed for it. Stop defending the indefensible.
He never went off the rails, y'all were being trolled and didn't realize it. When he realized how people were here, he gave up.
I never saw the anti-Semitic things he supposedly posted and no one every showed proof...I know you didn't see it either.
He doesn't hate Jews or any race for that matter.
Now, as always you are trying to change the subject...I am talking about you Rayzor...no one else, you...quit trying to deflect
It doesn't matter if he was trolling or serious. We don't allow Nazi bullshit on the forum.
It doesn't matter if he was trolling or serious. We don't allow Nazi bullshit on the forum.
Looks like someone finally noticed GAB had crossed the line.
https://www.theverge.com/2018/10/27/18032930/paypal-banned-gab-following-pittsburgh-shooting
Gab is like Twitter for Nazis.
D1 actually said something about him being an anti semite himself.So, let me get this straight, D1 is a friend of yours from way back, I understand that, but you stood by and watched him go off the rails into psycho-land when everyone here was trying to warn him that the path he was travelling on would lead to madness.
I hindsight, that approach of trying to reason with him was probably never going to work, he got so deep into the Anon bullshit he was never going to get out with his mind intact.
The anti-semitic stuff he posted was over the top, and he rightly got bammed for it. Stop defending the indefensible.
He never went off the rails, y'all were being trolled and didn't realize it. When he realized how people were here, he gave up.
I never saw the anti-Semitic things he supposedly posted and no one every showed proof...I know you didn't see it either.
He doesn't hate Jews or any race for that matter.
Now, as always you are trying to change the subject...I am talking about you Rayzor...no one else, you...quit trying to deflect
He never went off the rails, y'all were being trolled and didn't realize it.So he was either unhinged or pretending to be unhinged? What are we to make of that?
Now, as always you are trying to change the subject...I am talking about you Rayzor...You're not really saying anything though, are you?
He never went off the rails, y'all were being trolled and didn't realize it.So he was either unhinged or pretending to be unhinged? What are we to make of that?QuoteNow, as always you are trying to change the subject...I am talking about you Rayzor...You're not really saying anything though, are you?
A gunman threw smoke bombs and rained bullets on a crowd of hundreds inside a Thousand Oaks bar Wednesday night, killing a dozen people including a Ventura County Sheriff’s Department sergeant who was trying to stop the carnage.
Authorities have not yet identified the gunman, who died in the incident, or any of the victims inside the bar.
Time to make smoke bombs illegal!Then only the criminals have smoke bombs. Responsible citizens should all carry one. Imagine how that bar scene would have played out if everyone their had a smoke bomb they could have set off? Hmmmm? Makes you think.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-thousand-oaks-20181107-story.htmlQuoteA gunman threw smoke bombs and rained bullets on a crowd of hundreds inside a Thousand Oaks bar Wednesday night, killing a dozen people including a Ventura County Sheriff’s Department sergeant who was trying to stop the carnage.
Authorities have not yet identified the gunman, who died in the incident, or any of the victims inside the bar.
And another...
Probably not necessary to sticky it. There's more than enough mass shootings to keep it near the top.
Why was he allowed access to a knife?
Why was he allowed access to a knife?
They were all out of AR15's I guess. :)
Props to the cop who had the balls to put this bastard down
Props to the trolley man too
So how do you Aussies defend yourselves if a burglar breaks into your house with one of those banned AR-15's?
He was a veteran. Veterans don’t shoot up bars.Well this one did...
So how do you Aussies defend yourselves if a burglar breaks into your house with one of those banned AR-15's?
Can't recall that ever happening, but in any case we don't live in fear of such things.
If you live in a society where you think that sort of thing is likely then there is something wrong with that society.
So how do you Aussies defend yourselves if a burglar breaks into your house with one of those banned AR-15's?
So how do you Aussies defend yourselves if a burglar breaks into your house with one of those banned AR-15's?How do you Americans defend yourselves if a burglar breaks into your house with a tank?
Nope, but most gun casualties are not from "criminals and gangs" but from idiots with hand-guns accidentally or intentionally shooting themselves and/or their kids or their kids getting unsecured weapons and shooting the gun "owner".So how do you Aussies defend yourselves if a burglar breaks into your house with one of those banned AR-15's?
Can't recall that ever happening, but in any case, we don't live in fear of such things.
If you live in a society where you think that sort of thing is likely then there is something wrong with that society.
So, did all the criminals and gangs and whatnot turn in their guns during the gun grab?
The intentional homicides in:Note that the Firearm-related death rate per 100,000 population per year in the USA is over 10 times that in Australia and in both countries the suicide rate exceeds the homicide rate.
United States of America are: rate 5.35 per 100,000, total: 17,250 in 2016 and
Australia are: rate 0.94 per 100,000, total: 227 in 2016.
And Firearm-related death rate per 100,000 population per year:
Country Year Total Homicides Suicides United States 2016 11.96 4.62 7.1 Australia 2016 1.04 0.18 0.8
So, did all the criminals and gangs and whatnot turn in their guns during the gun grab?
Note that the Firearm-related death rate per 100,000 population per year in the USA is over 10 times that in Australia and in both countries the suicide rate exceeds the homicide rate.
Note that the Firearm-related death rate per 100,000 population per year in the USA is over 10 times that in Australia and in both countries the suicide rate exceeds the homicide rate.
What are the stats from before guns were collected?
National Firearms Agreement (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Agreement)
The National Firearms Agreement (NFA), also sometimes called the National Agreement on Firearms, the National Firearms Agreement and Buyback Program, or the Nationwide Agreement on Firearms, was an agreement concerning firearm control made by Australasian Police Ministers' Council (APMC) in 1996, in response to the Port Arthur massacre that killed 35 people. The laws to give effect to the Agreement were passed by Australian State governments only 12 days after the Port Arthur massacre.
The NFA placed tight control on semi-automatic and fully automatic weapons, although permitted their use by licensed individuals who required them for a purpose other than 'personal protection'. The act included a gun buy-back provision.
Negotiation and implementation of the Agreement was originally coordinated in 1996 by then-Prime Minister of Australia John Howard.[1] Since then the Agreement has continued to have support from both Labor and Coalition Federal Governments. The Australian Police Ministers Council (APMC), comprising state and federal police ministers, meets at least every six months at which issues including the NFA are discussed. Changes to the NFA require the unanimous agreement of all governments. At a meeting on 21 October 2016 it was agreed to hold a firearm amnesty by mid-2017.
A study found that there were no mass shooting deaths of five or more in Australia from 1997 through 2006, though the authors note that it is impossible to prove the agreement was the cause.
Country | Year | Total | Homicides | Suicides | Small arms/100 |
United States | 2016 | 11.96 | 4.62 | 7.1 | 120.5 |
Australia | 2016 | 1.04 | 0.18 | 0.8 | 14.5 |
Switzerland | 2013 | 3.01 | 0.21(2015) | 2.74 | 27.6 |
Firearms legislation in Switzerland allows the free purchase of semi-automatic, but not fully automatic firearms by Swiss citizens and foreigners with permanent residence. Permits for concealed carrying in public are issued sparingly.
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Swiss gun culture has emerged from a long tradition of shooting, which served as a formative element of national identity in the post-Napoleonic Restoration of the Confederacy, and the long-standing practice of a militia organization of the Swiss Army in which soldiers' service rifles are stored privately at their homes.
Conscription in SwitzerlandBut Swiss gun ownership is still only one quarter of USA's.
Switzerland has mandatory military service in the Swiss Army for all able-bodied male citizens, who are conscripted when they reach the age of majority, though women may volunteer for any position.
Thank you, rabinoz. I will investigate and ruminate on your data.I'm not expecting you to change and quite honestly I can't see any chance of meaningful gun control in the USA.
I may actually be ready to re-evaluate my position. Slightly.
The dude was so pathetic he's not even threatening or anything.
He looks like he's lost or something.The dude was so pathetic he's not even threatening or anything.
(https://i.imgur.com/4c2Oscz.png?1)
Dude would have needed psychological help (not in form of a bullet).Dude almost killed a bunch of people. Don't forget he was in the army, if he had any very serious mental issues they wouldn't have taken him. Lots of people have mental issues, they don't just go and shoot up a bunch of people.
I think it's tragic that a human life has ended this way. I'm happy noone else died, but I nevertheless can't understand all the people making fun of and celebrating his death.
Dude would have needed psychological help (not in form of a bullet).
I think it's tragic that a human life has ended this way. I'm happy noone else died, but I nevertheless can't understand all the people making fun of and celebrating his death.
Yes I know and I'm not defending what he did.Dude would have needed psychological help (not in form of a bullet).Dude almost killed a bunch of people. Don't forget he was in the army, if he had any very serious mental issues they wouldn't have taken him. Lots of people have mental issues, they don't just go and shoot up a bunch of people.
I think it's tragic that a human life has ended this way. I'm happy noone else died, but I nevertheless can't understand all the people making fun of and celebrating his death.
It's just my opinion, but I don't think anybody is genetically a murderer.It makes it worse that he isn't genetically a murderer...
So that means that in other circumstances, the guy would not have been (or tried to be) a murderer/shooter (and it also means that in theory it would have been preventable).Well in other circumstances maybe Hitler would be a really cool guy. In other circumstances maybe even you would be a really cool guy!
It makes it worse that he isn't genetically a murderer...No it only means that in other circumstances he would not have been one, so it makes it tragic.
If they caught him alive it would be better but now he died and it's kinda funny that he did before he did anything.Yeah that's my point, I don't think the death of any person is funny. But as I said I don't judge you too hard for making fun of him. I just personally don't feel like it's tragic and not funny.
In other circumstances maybe even you would be a really cool guy!I cannot think of any circumstances that would make me any cooler than I already am.
If you're genetically a murderer, then you didn't really have any choice, no?It makes it worse that he isn't genetically a murderer...No it only means that in other circumstances he would not have been one, so it makes it tragic.
Yeah that's what I'm saying: He was NOT genetically predetermined to be a murderer, but what happened in his whole life lead him to being one. Which I find to be sad and tragic, because it could have ended differently.If you're genetically a murderer, then you didn't really have any choice, no?It makes it worse that he isn't genetically a murderer...No it only means that in other circumstances he would not have been one, so it makes it tragic.
Yeah that's what I'm saying: He was NOT genetically predetermined to be a murderer, but what happened in his whole life lead him to being one.But then it's worse, because if you do have a choice you don't have as much of an excuse...
I'm not talking about a moral point of view.Yeah that's what I'm saying: He was NOT genetically predetermined to be a murderer, but what happened in his whole life lead him to being one.But then it's worse, because if you do have a choice you don't have as much of an excuse...
Isn't that the most relevant point of view here though?I'm not talking about a moral point of view.Yeah that's what I'm saying: He was NOT genetically predetermined to be a murderer, but what happened in his whole life lead him to being one.But then it's worse, because if you do have a choice you don't have as much of an excuse...
My point is that it's very tragic that a human being can get to the point where he thinks murdering is the right/only way to go. As I find that very tragic, I don't think joking about his death is funny.Isn't that the most relevant point of view here though?I'm not talking about a moral point of view.Yeah that's what I'm saying: He was NOT genetically predetermined to be a murderer, but what happened in his whole life lead him to being one.But then it's worse, because if you do have a choice you don't have as much of an excuse...
I kinda understand what you're coming from but also this guy as things were was hateful and murderous so I'm not sad he died before he could kill other people. As I said, better if he had been caught alive but this outcome was ok.
The most hilarious attempted shooting just happened:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7150541/Officials-suspect-exchange-gunfire-outside-Texas-courthouse.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ito=1490&ns_campaign=1490
The dude was so pathetic he's not even threatening or anything. He had a photo of him in a knight armor with a gun and holding a waifu body pillow. It's the most surreal thing. Obviously he got shot by a security guard before he could do anything, although I'm pretty sure even without a guard he'd just trip and fall on his sword (yes, he had a sword with him).
Oh wow I forgot you lived there, crazy that you saw this. Some people say it's fake but it's not that many. And yeah, the photographer definitely had balls.The most hilarious attempted shooting just happened:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7150541/Officials-suspect-exchange-gunfire-outside-Texas-courthouse.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ito=1490&ns_campaign=1490
The dude was so pathetic he's not even threatening or anything. He had a photo of him in a knight armor with a gun and holding a waifu body pillow. It's the most surreal thing. Obviously he got shot by a security guard before he could do anything, although I'm pretty sure even without a guard he'd just trip and fall on his sword (yes, he had a sword with him).
I watched this after the first shots was fired. My place is about 80 feet from there, and being 30 plus stories high gave a very good view.
He tired to do damage, he tried firing through the glass first at people in the lobby. He then took cover, seemed very brave until shots started to be returned he then froze up. Got locked up by a pillar, they flanked him and he had no where to go, took off in the parking lot where he was dropped. Ambulance came and picked him up.
They also detonated a bomb in his car, pushed it in the street with an armored personnel carrier, then blew it up with a robot.
They just now released the cars from that side fed lot. They had it in lock down till about an hour ago.
It will be interesting to see if people say this is fake, saw it with my own two eyes.
He was obviously mental thinking he was in a video game, but he did try to kill people so fuck him. If the glass wasn't 3 panel scatter glass, he probably would have.
Just sucks, to get home right now you have to show proof of residence, hopefully be over soon.
Damn, the idea of looking out of your window and seeing something like this going on is really frightening (but also fascinating in a weird way).MURICAH is the country where you can look at someone with a sword in his belt trying to shoot up a courthouse outside your window.
Damn, the idea of looking out of your window and seeing something like this going on is really frightening (but also fascinating in a weird way).MURICAH is the country where you can look at someone with a sword in his belt trying to shoot up a courthouse outside your window.
Damn, the idea of looking out of your window and seeing something like this going on is really frightening (but also fascinating in a weird way).MURICAH is the country where you can look at someone with a sword in his belt trying to shoot up a courthouse outside your window.
That's true. And the chance of seeing this or something similar is ridiculously high!
Some people say it's fake but it's not that many.
I live dead in the center of downtown Dallas for the most part...this is the first attempted mass shooting I have seen and at 35 years old now.I'm just saying that the chances are ridiculously high, this is obviously in comparison to - for example - where I live and not in absolute numbers. I will admit that I purposely worded it the way I did to trigger 'muricans (surprise - it worked!).
Doubt I would see another.
I don't think I would consider a possible once in a life time chance a high risk...I never even talked about 'risk'. But yes, a 'once in a lifetime chance' to get shot, I would consider that quite a high risk!
Oh, and just because I think this will grind your gears, but there is also some truth to it. What stopped this guy??LOL do you really think that my believe is that police and other security forces shouldn't be allowed to carry guns?
Good guys with guns...no one was injured but the aggressor.
Well it just happened, give them time...The conspiracytards are usually on 4chan or 8chan. I recommend you look there.
If you see any, or anyone for that matter, I would like to see it if all possible.
Just for curiosity and research
I don't think I would consider a possible once in a life time chance a high risk...Never say never!
If you see any, or anyone for that matter, I would like to see it if all possible.There was this thread here:
Just for curiosity and research.
picture of the photographer:Yeah, I saw that picture, it's pretty crazy. Maybe he was encouraged by how non threatening the idiot looked.
(https://i.imgur.com/m6lR4ll.png)
What a motherfucking madlad! I didn't realize he was THAT close!
From what I recall the photogarpher was inside, then went through the backdoor exit to take that picture.I don't think I would consider a possible once in a life time chance a high risk...Never say never!QuoteIf you see any, or anyone for that matter, I would like to see it if all possible.There was this thread here:
Just for curiosity and research.
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/c1vfjo/oh_lookthere_just_happened_to_be_a_photographer/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Not that many people cared much though, we'll see I guess.
picture of the photographer:
(https://i.imgur.com/m6lR4ll.png)
What a motherfucking madlad! I didn't realize he was THAT close!
Give that man a raiseAnd a tele lens, I suggest a decent 200-600mm.
Give that man a raiseAnd a tele lens, I suggest a decent 200-600mm.
I was shocked, when I first saw him come out, I thought he was a plain clothes agents about to take a shot before I realized it was just a damn camera.Well technically he did take a shot.
Give him that and he'd still get within like 5 meters to take a closeup of his eyes or something.Give that man a raiseAnd a tele lens, I suggest a decent 200-600mm.
CFC was right, it took them a while but now it looks like the entire r/The_Donald has decided the attack was a false flag.
CFC was right, it took them a while but now it looks like the entire r/The_Donald has decided the attack was a false flag.
Is that a Reddit group?
Yes, it's a Trump fanbase.CFC was right, it took them a while but now it looks like the entire r/The_Donald has decided the attack was a false flag.
Is that a Reddit group?
CFC was right, it took them a while but now it looks like the entire r/The_Donald has decided the attack was a false flag.
Is that a Reddit group?
Yes, and if you are on there for more than 30minutes, you start to lose faith in humanity. Seriouisly, that place is the maximum of stupidity that any online community can reach.
CFC was right, it took them a while but now it looks like the entire r/The_Donald has decided the attack was a false flag.
Is that a Reddit group?
Yes, and if you are on there for more than 30minutes, you start to lose faith in humanity. Seriouisly, that place is the maximum of stupidity that any online community can reach.
That's offensive to Boomers.
CFC was right, it took them a while but now it looks like the entire r/The_Donald has decided the attack was a false flag.
Is that a Reddit group?
Yes, and if you are on there for more than 30minutes, you start to lose faith in humanity. Seriouisly, that place is the maximum of stupidity that any online community can reach.
That's offensive to Boomers.
No, it's offensive to the brain of everyone that accidently lands in that subreddit.
NBC is reporting at least 19 dead, now. Also there is a manifesto floating around, but I haven't read it.
NBC is reporting at least 19 dead, now. Also there is a manifesto floating around, but I haven't read it.He references the Christchurch shooter. He also posted it on 4chan. It's some shit about white people being replaced by "Hispanic invaders"
Racial diversity will disappear as either race mixing or genocide will take place. But the idea of deporting or murdering all non-white Americans is horrific. Many have been here at least as long as the whites, and have done as much to build our country. The best solution to this for now would be to divide America into a confederacy of territories with at least 1 territory for each race. This physical separation would nearly eliminate race mixing and improve social unity by granting each race self-determination within their respective territory(s).
I wonder if he ever clarifies why exactly race mixing is so bad that he needs to gun down a mall.
Maybe I'll read it later.
I wonder if he ever clarifies why exactly race mixing is so bad that he needs to gun down a mall.
Maybe I'll read it later.
He was from Dallas, I wonder if CFC knows him?, and evidently radicalized on-line. "Stochastic Terrorism"
https://twitter.com/THEAlleyeceeing/status/1157763570593075201
I wonder if he ever clarifies why exactly race mixing is so bad that he needs to gun down a mall.
Maybe I'll read it later.
He was from Dallas, I wonder if CFC knows him?, and evidently radicalized on-line. "Stochastic Terrorism"
https://twitter.com/THEAlleyeceeing/status/1157763570593075201
I don't hang out with loser dipshits who do nothing and blame everyone else for their failings.
Just from the little I read about him, he sounds like a complete pile of shit.
I hope they put him down by firing squad.
Though I will say, shit like this makes me want to carry over put away a gun. I have had my CHL for over a decade but don't carry all the time, dumb shit like this makes me think twice about the times I don't.
Fucking disgusting
Not a white supremacist...They've gotten too used to saying "I'm not racist, but..." that they've come to believe it. It's basically impossible to be a racist or a white supremacist according to them.
I'm curious as to how these people would define the term.
Anyway, carrying a gun can help but its one of those "after the fact". And always risks you being shot at by the cops.This actually happened relatively recently. But the "good guy with a gun" was black so...
Anyway, carrying a gun can help but its one of those "after the fact". And always risks you being shot at by the cops.This actually happened relatively recently. But the "good guy with a gun" was black so...
It is also very cool how the lieutenant governor of Texas in his response to the El Paso shooting all he could do was whinge about antifa. Where did you find all these shameless clowns?
This is the thing about the lieutenant governor of Texas, I'm sorry it's fox news:Anyway, carrying a gun can help but its one of those "after the fact". And always risks you being shot at by the cops.This actually happened relatively recently. But the "good guy with a gun" was black so...
Source?It is also very cool how the lieutenant governor of Texas in his response to the El Paso shooting all he could do was whinge about antifa. Where did you find all these shameless clowns?
Source?
Odd for the lt. Gov. To talk about an antifa action a month before it supposidly happens. But I'm sure it was phrased by fox (or asked) to make them seem even worse.No, there's audio from his statement, it's pretty deranged, here is a transcript:
At this point I would direct you to El Paso PD and let them release that information as they decide to... and I would make them your point of contact. But to the 21 year old that's in custody and, again, law enforcement did an amazing thing, they just did an amazing thing. And uh as your guest I just heard a little bit of your previous guest talking about the crime scene and y'know there's o- there's one or two people shot, you can imagine the size of this crime scene and this will be an investigation that will take them some time uh... y'know this uh... y'know I was uh... looking at a story recently, uh, I just saw in the last couple of days where Antifa is posting uh y'know they wanna come to El Paso and do a 10 day seige. Um, clear message to Antifa: stay out of El Paso. Um, stay out of Texas basically. But we don't need uh them coming in on September 1st, we didn't need them to begin with before this happened. But uh, I would say to Antifa, uh, scratch Texas off your map and don't come in. Uh, it's not the time and place for them to come at any time, but particularly in the aftermath of what just happened in El Paso. So, Antifa, message from the Lieutenant Governor: stay out of Texas.
Lt. Gov Dan Patrick thinks prayer in schools and saluting the flag will stop mass shootings... oh and he also blames video games.Does anyone believe this shit? That some guy posted some racist manifesto on 8chan and shot up a mall to end the "White genocide" because he played too many videogames and didn't salute the flag enough?
Lt. Gov Dan Patrick thinks prayer in schools and saluting the flag will stop mass shootings... oh and he also blames video games.Does anyone believe this shit? That some guy posted some racist manifesto on 8chan and shot up a mall to end the "White genocide" because he played too many videogames and didn't salute the flag enough?
30 seconds to kill 9 people and injure 27.
Oh and he circumvented gun laws by buying in Texas online, because thats a thing. Wow...
Dayton Police Killed Shooter Within 30 Seconds Of First Shot https://n.pr/2Ko1pO9
Seriously, there was a "good guy with a gun" right there and it wasn't enough to save those 9 people. When will we stop pretending that civillians with guns is gonna stop a bad buy before people die?
30 seconds to kill 9 people and injure 27.
Oh and he circumvented gun laws by buying in Texas online, because thats a thing. Wow...
Dayton Police Killed Shooter Within 30 Seconds Of First Shot https://n.pr/2Ko1pO9
Seriously, there was a "good guy with a gun" right there and it wasn't enough to save those 9 people. When will we stop pretending that civillians with guns is gonna stop a bad buy before people die?
You can't buy guns online in Texas, I have no idea who told you that.
You can pay for them online, but you have to have them shipped to a store with an FFL, you pay them a few to pick it up and they run the standard background check on you.
30 seconds to kill 9 people and injure 27.
Oh and he circumvented gun laws by buying in Texas online, because thats a thing. Wow...
Dayton Police Killed Shooter Within 30 Seconds Of First Shot https://n.pr/2Ko1pO9
Seriously, there was a "good guy with a gun" right there and it wasn't enough to save those 9 people. When will we stop pretending that civillians with guns is gonna stop a bad buy before people die?
You can't buy guns online in Texas, I have no idea who told you that.
You can pay for them online, but you have to have them shipped to a store with an FFL, you pay them a few to pick it up and they run the standard background check on you.
That would be the Dayton police chief. In the article I linked.
What you said did happen, it was transferred from Texas to a local store. But that kinda defeats the point of making buying those guns illegal in a state, no?
30 seconds to kill 9 people and injure 27.
Oh and he circumvented gun laws by buying in Texas online, because thats a thing. Wow...
Dayton Police Killed Shooter Within 30 Seconds Of First Shot https://n.pr/2Ko1pO9
Seriously, there was a "good guy with a gun" right there and it wasn't enough to save those 9 people. When will we stop pretending that civillians with guns is gonna stop a bad buy before people die?
You can't buy guns online in Texas, I have no idea who told you that.
You can pay for them online, but you have to have them shipped to a store with an FFL, you pay them a few to pick it up and they run the standard background check on you.
That would be the Dayton police chief. In the article I linked.
What you said did happen, it was transferred from Texas to a local store. But that kinda defeats the point of making buying those guns illegal in a state, no?
If he bought it legally like that, then he went through a background check the feds require.
I have always disliked Allen for a few reasons, with this fuck coming from there gives me another.
They should drop all charges against him here and let Mexico take him since he killed nationals. The puss gave up as soon as cops got there. I don't even want him dead, I would love him to spend the rest of his life in a Mexican prison though. Death would be a welcomed release
30 seconds to kill 9 people and injure 27.
Oh and he circumvented gun laws by buying in Texas online, because thats a thing. Wow...
Dayton Police Killed Shooter Within 30 Seconds Of First Shot https://n.pr/2Ko1pO9
Seriously, there was a "good guy with a gun" right there and it wasn't enough to save those 9 people. When will we stop pretending that civillians with guns is gonna stop a bad buy before people die?
You can't buy guns online in Texas, I have no idea who told you that.
You can pay for them online, but you have to have them shipped to a store with an FFL, you pay them a few to pick it up and they run the standard background check on you.
That would be the Dayton police chief. In the article I linked.
What you said did happen, it was transferred from Texas to a local store. But that kinda defeats the point of making buying those guns illegal in a state, no?
If he bought it legally like that, then he went through a background check the feds require.
I have always disliked Allen for a few reasons, with this fuck coming from there gives me another.
They should drop all charges against him here and let Mexico take him since he killed nationals. The puss gave up as soon as cops got there. I don't even want him dead, I would love him to spend the rest of his life in a Mexican prison though. Death would be a welcomed release
Yeah, says he had no red flags or criminal history. No motive so far either.
And assault rifles are legal in Ohio. Why he bought it from Texas is anyone's guess.
And a Mexican prison? Perhaps and I've thought similar about others. Mexico may be able to extradite him, dunno.
Whose Allen?
30 seconds to kill 9 people and injure 27.
Oh and he circumvented gun laws by buying in Texas online, because thats a thing. Wow...
Dayton Police Killed Shooter Within 30 Seconds Of First Shot https://n.pr/2Ko1pO9
Seriously, there was a "good guy with a gun" right there and it wasn't enough to save those 9 people. When will we stop pretending that civillians with guns is gonna stop a bad buy before people die?
You can't buy guns online in Texas, I have no idea who told you that.
You can pay for them online, but you have to have them shipped to a store with an FFL, you pay them a few to pick it up and they run the standard background check on you.
That would be the Dayton police chief. In the article I linked.
What you said did happen, it was transferred from Texas to a local store. But that kinda defeats the point of making buying those guns illegal in a state, no?
If he bought it legally like that, then he went through a background check the feds require.
I have always disliked Allen for a few reasons, with this fuck coming from there gives me another.
They should drop all charges against him here and let Mexico take him since he killed nationals. The puss gave up as soon as cops got there. I don't even want him dead, I would love him to spend the rest of his life in a Mexican prison though. Death would be a welcomed release
Yeah, says he had no red flags or criminal history. No motive so far either.
And assault rifles are legal in Ohio. Why he bought it from Texas is anyone's guess.
And a Mexican prison? Perhaps and I've thought similar about others. Mexico may be able to extradite him, dunno.
Whose Allen?
Oh, I thought you were talking about the El Paso shooter that was from Allen Texas.
They want to, but I don't think the US is letting it happen because they want to put him through trial. This is unfortunate as I really want Mexico to get their hands on him. He wouldn't last long though I suppose, be dead long before trial
"Death is a release, not a punishment." -Movie Villian
"Death is a release, not a punishment." -Movie Villian
In this case it is. That is why I want this oxygen thief to experience the Mexican jail experience. Already terrible enough, then when they find out he specifically tried to commit genocide on Mexicans...should certainly raise his experience.
I really want him to learn what praying for said relief really feels like....and I hope he isn't granted said prayer
If trump had a pair of balls, he would implement exactly the same strategies Australia and now New Zealand have implemented. Australia hasn't had a mass shooting since 1996 when the last mass shooting here, led to firearms reform.
It's real simple. You ban all automatic and semi automatic weapons for citizens and implement a buy back scheme. You take them off the street, period. The exceptions are the Police, Armed forces, and some trained security personell - trained professionals who should use them.
The alternative is these disgraceful mass shootings in America continue and America refuses to learn as other countries had to.
We loved guns long before the NRA existed. The NRA changed from being a hunting/sport/safety advocacy group to a political lobby group that works for gun manufacturers. They've successfully convinced lots of people who never would have owned guns to buy guns. They've definitely contributed to the gun hysteria, but the seeds of it were already there. The idea that citizens should be armed is baked into American mythology.Well, that's why I put both of them there ;)
I think there are lots of different things that contribute to these mass shootings (plus ease of access to guns). The older generation believed in the American dream, and the goodness of the US, but now we know it's a lie. There is a general unease about the future. People feel uncertain and worried if they'll have enough to live on, no matter how hard they work. The politicians love to carry around their pocket copies of the Constitution, but have no intention of trying to live up to it. We all know the wealthy run the country. We do not have confidence in our government. There are other things, like MRA propaganda, and white nationalist propaganda that wouldn't have as strong a following if people still had faith in the country. People want to blame Trump, but he's a symptom of this, not the cause of it. He is making it worse with his rhetoric, of course.I'm not sure it is exactly not having faith in the country. I mean, if not having faith in the country was a significant factor we'd have all been shot here ages ago lol. It's a weird phenomenon. I think it might have more to do with alienation combined with people getting radicalized to hateful ideologies and some weird social pressure to get laid and harmful ideas for what men should be like, or what they deserve etc. Though I can't fully explain why it is worse in America than in other countries.
The 2nd Amendment is a cultural thing, it's there because we believe in being an armed citizenry. (I was going to do the smarmy winky smiley, but I resisted).It's not smarmy :(
The shooters do give a fuck about something. They wouldn't write manifestos if they didn't.Yes, I meant they don't give a fuck about getting killed or reflecting badly on their organisation, because they have none. They are only responsible for themselves, and they don't care about themselves much.
Part of American mythology is rugged individualism. lol Other countries that have a real left probably are more collectivist.Might have something to do with this. You're definitely right about loneliness and alienation too. Not sure how one goes about fixing that though.
Maybe loneliness has something to do with it https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2019/8/1/20750047/millennials-poll-loneliness?
Down goes 8chan.
https://thehill.com/policy/technology/456218-8chan-goes-offline-again-after-services-sever-ties-following-mass-shooting
Before he killed nine people in a mass shooting in Dayton, Ohio, early Sunday, Connor Betts was deeply involved in the misogynistic, male-dominated “goregrind” or “pornogrind” hardcore music scene. It has a regional following in the Midwest and is known for sexually violent, death-obsessed lyrics and dehumanizing imagery depicting women.
Over the past year, the 24-year-old shooter occasionally performed live vocals in the band Menstrual Munchies, which released albums titled “6 Ways of Female Butchery” and “Preeteen Daughter Pu$$y Slaughter,” with cover art showing the rape and massacre of female bodies. He also performed with a group called Putrid Liquid.
https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/j5yekp/exclusive-dayton-shooter-was-in-a-pornogrind-band-that-released-songs-about-raping-and-killing-womenI think for every combination of words that sounds vaguely gross there is a music subgenre.QuoteBefore he killed nine people in a mass shooting in Dayton, Ohio, early Sunday, Connor Betts was deeply involved in the misogynistic, male-dominated “goregrind” or “pornogrind” hardcore music scene. It has a regional following in the Midwest and is known for sexually violent, death-obsessed lyrics and dehumanizing imagery depicting women.
Over the past year, the 24-year-old shooter occasionally performed live vocals in the band Menstrual Munchies, which released albums titled “6 Ways of Female Butchery” and “Preeteen Daughter Pu$$y Slaughter,” with cover art showing the rape and massacre of female bodies. He also performed with a group called Putrid Liquid.
Wow, I never heard of "pornogrind".
The right to bear arms stems from the American Revolution, the Civil War was much later.
I wonder if the media knows they are doing exactly like that oxygen thief's manifesto said.So... Um... Would you rather they don't say it was some racist guy because he said in his manifesto "I know the media will call me racist" or whatever? What? So if he said in his manifesto "I know the media said I killed a bunch of innocent people for nothing" would you want them to say "he killed a bunch of guilty fucks and he was damn right to do it" so that nothing in his manifesto is right?
I was hoping they wouldn't just so nothing he said would be correct.
Automatic weapons are already banned here.
Automatic weapons are already banned here.
No, they are not. They should be, though. Assault rifles are banned, and that term has a very clear definition.
Automatic weapons are already banned here.
No, they are not. They should be, though. Assault rifles are banned, and that term has a very clear definition.
So I can waltz up into a gun shop and buy a fully automatic AK-47?
Isn't a class 3 SOT the license that a seller can get to sell Title II weapons?
Why don't we just make guns illegal?
Why don't we just make guns illegal?
this but unironically
Why don't we just make guns illegal?
this but unironically
Then you can be the guy that goes up to the L.A. Crips and Bloods gangs and ask them to turn in their guns. I'm sure that will go over real well.
Yes, that's why we should do nothing. So as not to piss off the gangs.Why don't we just make guns illegal?
this but unironically
Then you can be the guy that goes up to the L.A. Crips and Bloods gangs and ask them to turn in their guns. I'm sure that will go over real well.
Yes, that's why we should do nothing. So as not to piss off the gangs.Why don't we just make guns illegal?
this but unironically
Then you can be the guy that goes up to the L.A. Crips and Bloods gangs and ask them to turn in their guns. I'm sure that will go over real well.
I know a lot of rednecks who would be more dangerous to take guns away from than gang members.
Wesker, instead of reeeing about guns, what do you think would help stop these mass shootings?
Not to mention all the law-abiding gun owners.
Automatic weapons are already banned here.
No, they are not. They should be, though. Assault rifles are banned, and that term has a very clear definition.
.Not one of those is an assault rifle.
Automatic weapons are already banned here.
No, they are not. They should be, though. Assault rifles are banned, and that term has a very clear definition.
Automatic weapons and silencers are used very infrequently in crimes. The machine gun act of 1986 plays a part in this.
Also assault rifles made before 1986 are not banned if they have the paper work.
Yes, that's why we should do nothing. So as not to piss off the gangs.Why don't we just make guns illegal?
this but unironically
Then you can be the guy that goes up to the L.A. Crips and Bloods gangs and ask them to turn in their guns. I'm sure that will go over real well.
Just saying, it would be kind of hard to confiscate guns from them.
There is only one fix: destroy America.
There is only one fix: destroy America.
Are you fucking kidding me?
There are 327.2 million people in America. Be it due to genes or environment or a mixture of both, there's gonna be at least one or two bad apples out of 327.2 million.
America is great! I love America! Just make it harder for the bad apples to get their hands on semi-automatics.
Just watch. While the issue is being debated, this time next week or the week after, there will likely be another mass shooting. More blood on the street or the shopping mall. More innocent lives lost to a semi-automatic, through domestic terrorism.
There is only one fix: destroy America.
Are you fucking kidding me?
Give me a better solution then. How do you prevent such hatred from killing? How do you stop that hatred? Its been over 100 years since blacks were freed but racism still exists. What hope do we have of fixing anything else? American culture is toxic and destructive.
There is only one fix: destroy America.
Are you fucking kidding me?
Give me a better solution then. How do you prevent such hatred from killing? How do you stop that hatred? Its been over 100 years since blacks were freed but racism still exists. What hope do we have of fixing anything else? American culture is toxic and destructive.
Fuck off with the destroy American nonsense.
.000000925 percent of people are likely to die by mass shooting on the worse year in the states. Take away guns, those same amount of people will die by other weapons or by hand
Stupid
Also, what the fuck do black people have to do with this. One of the recent shootings had Mexicans on the agenda.
All firearms are semiautomatic, except a derringer or musket.
There is only one fix: destroy America. Wipe out the culture. Only then can it be rebuilt and maybe not full of hate.
There is only one fix: destroy America.
Are you fucking kidding me?
Give me a better solution then. How do you prevent such hatred from killing? How do you stop that hatred? Its been over 100 years since blacks were freed but racism still exists. What hope do we have of fixing anything else? American culture is toxic and destructive.
Too late now. Resistance is futile. Your cats shall be turned into gyros for our benefit.
There is only one fix: destroy America.
Are you fucking kidding me?
Give me a better solution then. How do you prevent such hatred from killing? How do you stop that hatred? Its been over 100 years since blacks were freed but racism still exists. What hope do we have of fixing anything else? American culture is toxic and destructive.
Oh we're not so bad once you get to know us.
Don't genocide us bro! We have Disneyland and barbeques!
Make the republicans compromise with that instead.There is only one fix: destroy America. Wipe out the culture. Only then can it be rebuilt and maybe not full of hate.
Finally, a sensible solution we can all support.
There are several series on Netflix I'd like to get to the end of, so there is that.
There is only one fix: destroy America.
Are you fucking kidding me?
Give me a better solution then. How do you prevent such hatred from killing? How do you stop that hatred? Its been over 100 years since blacks were freed but racism still exists. What hope do we have of fixing anything else? American culture is toxic and destructive.
Oh we're not so bad once you get to know us.
Don't genocide us bro! We have Disneyland and barbeques!
I can't believe how many people here are on bored with "destroying America", especially some people that actually live here.But that's the issue, if we don't destroy the people there why would we want to destroy it silly? BTW I am not at all bored with destroying America, I find it fascinating.
The reason....we have a few nuts out of the 300 plus million people. Well every country has nuts.Depends on the type of nut. But we mostly have olives.
Also, the high majority of the population is not racist despite what mainstream media says.
DON'T TREAD ON ME!Sorry, didn't mean to, it won't happen again.
Best fix is to be taken over by another country.Hit me up if you want assistance with that, shooting all these missiles into the sea is getting boring. We'll teach Americans the eternal truth of Juche together.
Does america have oil?
If yes, it could invade itself and bring some democracy to itself!
The fact that you took it literally is poetic, in a way
If it wasn't a joke other people probably would have a problem with it.What do you mean a joke? I'm out here preparing my ICBMs and now you're "joking"? Can't trust Americans for anything. All the more reason to destroy America.
If it wasn't a joke other people probably would have a problem with it.
There is only one fix: destroy America.
Are you fucking kidding me?
Give me a better solution then. How do you prevent such hatred from killing? How do you stop that hatred? Its been over 100 years since blacks were freed but racism still exists. What hope do we have of fixing anything else? American culture is toxic and destructive.
Fuck off with the destroy American nonsense.
.000000925 percent of people are likely to die by mass shooting on the worse year in the states. Take away guns, those same amount of people will die by other weapons or by hand
StupidAlso, what the fuck do black people have to do with this. One of the recent shootings had Mexicans on the agenda.
Its hate. Anger. Arrogance. Traits we have not been able to remove from American culture. Traits we promote, even. My point was that if we can't stop the hatred of blacks after over 100 years, what hope do we have of any other hatred?
American society is a lost cause. Doomed to infighting and hatred until it implodes.
All firearms are semiautomatic, except a derringer or musket.
No they aren't, bulltwinkle. A semi automatic weapon is one where you depress the trigger to fire a round and another round automatically feeds into the chamber. To fire the next round, you press the trigger again. The speed of firing rounds is only limited by the speed of your trigger finger and the size of your magazine.
Shotguns and rifles are firearms where you have to eject the spent cartridge through an action like moving a bolt (bolt action), or cranking a lever, and then feed another round into the chamber, or place the round in yourself, to fire the next round. In the time it takes to reload with these weapons, the attacker can be more easily either stopped by being shot or disarmed by other means.
It even spawned shifter to post a hate filled message towards the US too.Yes, we're forming a party to destroy Amerikkka and install Intikam as its Grand Ayatollah.
How about we compromise. Pez, you can take over California and make it a Pez nation and leave to rest of the USA to it's own devices.
How about we compromise. Pez, you can take over California and make it a Pez nation and leave to rest of the USA to it's own devices.
I can concur with this. Though I think only the coastal cities would think of taking him. About the only areas in California dumb enough
Shut up pez, grown ups are talking here. Go back to the kids tableSorry, tables are also banned. You will rid yourselves of these extravagancies and eat on the floor like proper traditional Muslims.
Damn, where did you get that knife?All firearms are semiautomatic, except a derringer or musket.
No they aren't, bulltwinkle. A semi automatic weapon is one where you depress the trigger to fire a round and another round automatically feeds into the chamber. To fire the next round, you press the trigger again. The speed of firing rounds is only limited by the speed of your trigger finger and the size of your magazine.
Shotguns and rifles are firearms where you have to eject the spent cartridge through an action like moving a bolt (bolt action), or cranking a lever, and then feed another round into the chamber, or place the round in yourself, to fire the next round. In the time it takes to reload with these weapons, the attacker can be more easily either stopped by being shot or disarmed by other means.
My .22 rifle is semiautomatic.
A revolver is semiautomatic.
Hell, a knife is semiautomatic.
Damn, where did you get that knife?All firearms are semiautomatic, except a derringer or musket.
No they aren't, bulltwinkle. A semi automatic weapon is one where you depress the trigger to fire a round and another round automatically feeds into the chamber. To fire the next round, you press the trigger again. The speed of firing rounds is only limited by the speed of your trigger finger and the size of your magazine.
Shotguns and rifles are firearms where you have to eject the spent cartridge through an action like moving a bolt (bolt action), or cranking a lever, and then feed another round into the chamber, or place the round in yourself, to fire the next round. In the time it takes to reload with these weapons, the attacker can be more easily either stopped by being shot or disarmed by other means.
My .22 rifle is semiautomatic.
A revolver is semiautomatic.
Hell, a knife is semiautomatic.
Your knife has a trigger? Wild.Damn, where did you get that knife?All firearms are semiautomatic, except a derringer or musket.
No they aren't, bulltwinkle. A semi automatic weapon is one where you depress the trigger to fire a round and another round automatically feeds into the chamber. To fire the next round, you press the trigger again. The speed of firing rounds is only limited by the speed of your trigger finger and the size of your magazine.
Shotguns and rifles are firearms where you have to eject the spent cartridge through an action like moving a bolt (bolt action), or cranking a lever, and then feed another round into the chamber, or place the round in yourself, to fire the next round. In the time it takes to reload with these weapons, the attacker can be more easily either stopped by being shot or disarmed by other means.
My .22 rifle is semiautomatic.
A revolver is semiautomatic.
Hell, a knife is semiautomatic.
Just like a handgun with every trigger pull fires a round, every trigger pull of the knife(a stab) fires a stab ;)
Your knife has a trigger? Wild.Damn, where did you get that knife?All firearms are semiautomatic, except a derringer or musket.
No they aren't, bulltwinkle. A semi automatic weapon is one where you depress the trigger to fire a round and another round automatically feeds into the chamber. To fire the next round, you press the trigger again. The speed of firing rounds is only limited by the speed of your trigger finger and the size of your magazine.
Shotguns and rifles are firearms where you have to eject the spent cartridge through an action like moving a bolt (bolt action), or cranking a lever, and then feed another round into the chamber, or place the round in yourself, to fire the next round. In the time it takes to reload with these weapons, the attacker can be more easily either stopped by being shot or disarmed by other means.
My .22 rifle is semiautomatic.
A revolver is semiautomatic.
Hell, a knife is semiautomatic.
Just like a handgun with every trigger pull fires a round, every trigger pull of the knife(a stab) fires a stab ;)
Your knife has a trigger?
Yes, your hand/arm.Nonsense, my hand is right here.
*Allah bless Ameristan. Gotta start getting used to the new regime early on.
Your knife has a trigger?
God bless America!!!
Yes, your hand/arm.Nonsense, my hand is right here.
Sanders went on JRE? Interesting, I didn't fully expect it tbh. Clever move though.
Bernie on JRE talking about mass shootings and mental health.
Sanders went on JRE? Interesting, I didn't fully expect it tbh. Clever move though.
Bernie on JRE talking about mass shootings and mental health.
A lot of people think Joe Rogan is right wing, or alt right, but he's not. Most of the political opinions he has are on the left (the US left, not you know, the left left).They think that because almost all the (more political) guests he ever has on and the people he hangs out with are right wing, and also his style is super non confrontational so he usually just nods along with almost everything they say. And it is not that no leftist people have tried. Except for Cornel West, but he's the nicest person, only a complete psychopath would reject him.
I saw where Bernie said if he becomes president and finds out anything about UFOs and aliens he's tell the public.
A lot of people think Joe Rogan is right wing, or alt right, but he's not. Most of the political opinions he has are on the left (the US left, not you know, the left left).
I can't watch videos right now, and for a long time, I'm on mobile data, what did he say?
There is opinions and then there is opinions. Honestly there are some opinions where it's just fucked up if you don't consider the people who hold them enemies. I understand why people are angry at Joe Rogan for his behavior, if he keeps platforming these people and just nods along at everything they say while very rarely platforming people opposite to them (thus discrediting the defense that he just likes to hear all opinions or whatever) then he's fucked up. I don't think he's alt right but I do think he's pretty dumb, and he should be more responsible given his viewership.
He talks about how vicious some of the comments on his Bernie podcast were and wondered how we got this bad, and she talked about how we see people with different opinions as the enemy now.
There is opinions and then there is opinions. Honestly there are some opinions where it's just fucked up if you don't consider the people who hold them enemies. I understand why people are angry at Joe Rogan for his behavior, if he keeps platforming these people and just nods along at everything they say while very rarely platforming people opposite to them (thus discrediting the defense that he just likes to hear all opinions or whatever) then he's fucked up. I don't think he's alt right but I do think he's pretty dumb, and he should be more responsible given his viewership.
He talks about how vicious some of the comments on his Bernie podcast were and wondered how we got this bad, and she talked about how we see people with different opinions as the enemy now.
Are you basing your judgement of him on what other people say, or on having watched his podcasts yourself? He doesn't just nod along with everything his guests say.I've seen some of them. I remember when he attacked Crowder for being negative towards weed lol. I also remember one time when he actually did sort of challenge JP on his weird enforced monogamy stance. Unfortunately most of the times he doesn't provide any serious challenge.
He's not Larry King but the people he interviews aren't that "diverse" usually, when it comes to politics. Recently he's kiiiinda improved, but still...There is opinions and then there is opinions. Honestly there are some opinions where it's just fucked up if you don't consider the people who hold them enemies. I understand why people are angry at Joe Rogan for his behavior, if he keeps platforming these people and just nods along at everything they say while very rarely platforming people opposite to them (thus discrediting the defense that he just likes to hear all opinions or whatever) then he's fucked up. I don't think he's alt right but I do think he's pretty dumb, and he should be more responsible given his viewership.
He talks about how vicious some of the comments on his Bernie podcast were and wondered how we got this bad, and she talked about how we see people with different opinions as the enemy now.
I disagree. Joe Rogan is not Larry King. He once warned his audience that he's kind of a moron and people shouldn't consider him a thought leader. He interviews a wide range of people including some very weird conspiracy theorists.
Which is why I keep asking john davis to reach out to do an interview. I'm sure he'd love to talk to a flat earther.
Most of the people he has on are his comedian friends, and they talk about sports. I would not be surprised if he tries to get more "diverse" people on but they are too snowflaky to come on the show.I mentioned earlier that I know leftists who have said they tried to get there but were ignored or rejected. It's not because they don't want to get up there, it's because he doesn't accept them, probably because it will piss off a big part of his fanbase, which is largely of a specific political orientation. I don't remember who all of them were. I remember for sure the hosts of Chapo Trap House tried to get one of them on JRE, not sure how it ended up exactly but it didn't happen.
I could only kill two. ::)
I could only kill two. ::)I could kill 30-50 feral bots in 3-5 minutes if you made me a mod.
I could only kill two. ::)I could kill 30-50 feral bots in 3-5 minutes if you made me a mod.
I could only kill two. ::)I could kill 30-50 feral bots in 3-5 minutes if you made me a mod.
Most of the people he has on are his comedian friends, and they talk about sports. I would not be surprised if he tries to get more "diverse" people on but they are too snowflaky to come on the show.I mentioned earlier that I know leftists who have said they tried to get there but were ignored or rejected. It's not because they don't want to get up there, it's because he doesn't accept them, probably because it will piss off a big part of his fanbase, which is largely of a specific political orientation. I don't remember who all of them were. I remember for sure the hosts of Chapo Trap House tried to get one of them on JRE, not sure how it ended up exactly but it didn't happen.
I could only kill two. ::)I could kill 30-50 feral bots in 3-5 minutes if you made me a mod.
The rules clearly state no Greeks allowed as mods.
Interesting, I saw a list of all the mass shooters (shooting 4 or more people) and out of them it was surprising white men were the minority.
There was even 5 women on it which really surprised me.
It's a reference to this:I could only kill two. ::)I could kill 30-50 feral bots in 3-5 minutes if you made me a mod.
So you could do a little or a lot in a random amount of time?
You are a Super Hero. ;D
It's a reference to this:I could only kill two. ::)I could kill 30-50 feral bots in 3-5 minutes if you made me a mod.
So you could do a little or a lot in a random amount of time?
You are a Super Hero. ;D
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/future-perfect/2019/8/6/20756162/30-to-50-feral-hogs-meme-assault-weapons-guns-kids
Interesting, I saw a list of all the mass shooters (shooting 4 or more people) and out of them it was surprising white men were the minority.
There was even 5 women on it which really surprised me.
Interesting, where is your list? I found this list https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1b9o6uDO18sLxBqPwl_Gh9bnhW-ev_dABH83M5Vb5L8o/edit#gid=0 and from 114 Mass Shooting incidents there were 46 non-whites (Asian, Black, Latino, Native American, Others)....so the majority was white.
Seems like it could be plausible. Gang wars and such. Don't know if gang wars are still a thing.It is a much different phenomenon. Very few white people are in gangs, but so far I haven't heard of a single school shooter/mall shooter who wasn't a white dude. Is it really a "mass shooting" if there are specific designated targets in some alley like gang shootouts?
Although one could argue that a gang war falls under a different category of violence than an attack on a bunch of random people that don't have anything to do with the attacker.
Yes, I agree it's a different phenomenon. Gang shootings have a target, even though they kill bystanders too. Mass shooters are usually more indiscriminate in their victims, like the guy who shot up the concert goers in Vegas. Just spraying bullets into a crowd. Of course this isn't always true for all the shootings. The El Paso shooter wanted to kill Mexicans and went somewhere he could find Mexicans.Sure, but it's still "Mexicans" in general, and not some other gang. That's what is so weird about these things. Though I think there is two kinds, the El Paso style people who classify more as terrorism than anything, and the incels who shoot up schools or malls for mysterious reasons.
EL PASO, Texas (AP) — The man accused of carrying out last weekend’s deadly mass shooting at Walmart in the Texas border city of El Paso confessed to officers while he was surrendering and later explained that he had been targeting Mexicans.
Patrick Crusius, 21, emerged with his hands up from a vehicle that was stopped at an intersection shortly after last Saturday’s attack and told officers, “I’m the shooter,” Detective Adrian Garcia said in an arrest warrant affidavit.
Crusius later waived his Miranda Rights and agreed to speak with detectives, telling them that he had driven to El Paso from the Dallas suburb of Allen — which is where he lived and is a more than 10-hour drive from El Paso — and that he was targeting Mexicans in the attack.
Twenty-two people were killed and about two dozen others were wounded in the attack. Many of the dead had Latino last names and eight of them were Mexican nationals.
Authorities believe Crusius posted a racist online screed that railed against an influx of Hispanics into the U.S. shortly before the attack.
Crusius has been charged with capital murder and is being held without bond. Federal prosecutors have said they are also considering hate-crime charges.
Hours after the attack in El Paso, a gunman killed nine people and wounded many others in Dayton, Ohio.
El Paso sits on the border with Mexico and has a large Latino population.
https://www.apnews.com/456c0154218a4d378e2fb36cd40b709dQuoteEL PASO, Texas (AP) — The man accused of carrying out last weekend’s deadly mass shooting at Walmart in the Texas border city of El Paso confessed to officers while he was surrendering and later explained that he had been targeting Mexicans.
Patrick Crusius, 21, emerged with his hands up from a vehicle that was stopped at an intersection shortly after last Saturday’s attack and told officers, “I’m the shooter,” Detective Adrian Garcia said in an arrest warrant affidavit.
Crusius later waived his Miranda Rights and agreed to speak with detectives, telling them that he had driven to El Paso from the Dallas suburb of Allen — which is where he lived and is a more than 10-hour drive from El Paso — and that he was targeting Mexicans in the attack.
Twenty-two people were killed and about two dozen others were wounded in the attack. Many of the dead had Latino last names and eight of them were Mexican nationals.
Authorities believe Crusius posted a racist online screed that railed against an influx of Hispanics into the U.S. shortly before the attack.
Crusius has been charged with capital murder and is being held without bond. Federal prosecutors have said they are also considering hate-crime charges.
Hours after the attack in El Paso, a gunman killed nine people and wounded many others in Dayton, Ohio.
El Paso sits on the border with Mexico and has a large Latino population.
I don't think this one will be able to use mental illness as a defense.
But how do you differentiate between someone just spouting racist nonsense with no harmful intentions from someone with harmful intentions? Especially when they have no prior police record or red flags(besides racism, of course)?
But how do you differentiate between someone just spouting racist nonsense with no harmful intentions from someone with harmful intentions? Especially when they have no prior police record or red flags(besides racism, of course)?
That's the big question, isn't it? I think most of the shooters in recent years would have passed background checks (maybe not all of them, I can't remember them all). It's not illegal to be racist or spout racist crap.
I was talking about his defense, anyway. He plotted this, and new what he was doing. Nothing will stop him claiming mental illness, but it won't help him.
Hunt sounds like a shittier version of Hunger Games.
Why do you think it's liberal? lol
Walmart pulls violent video game displays from its stores, but it will still sell guns
New York (CNN Business)Walmart is taking down displays of violent video games in its stores in the wake of recent shootings. But the company plans to still sell the controversial video games -- and guns.
Oh, well I missed that it was Trump supporters they were hunting. The movie sounds even stupider.
On this same trend...
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/09/business/walmart-violent-video-games/index.htmlQuoteWalmart pulls violent video game displays from its stores, but it will still sell guns
New York (CNN Business)Walmart is taking down displays of violent video games in its stores in the wake of recent shootings. But the company plans to still sell the controversial video games -- and guns.
Oh, well I missed that it was Trump supporters they were hunting. The movie sounds even stupider.
On this same trend...
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/09/business/walmart-violent-video-games/index.htmlQuoteWalmart pulls violent video game displays from its stores, but it will still sell guns
New York (CNN Business)Walmart is taking down displays of violent video games in its stores in the wake of recent shootings. But the company plans to still sell the controversial video games -- and guns.
Walmart pulls violent video game displays from its stores, but it will still sell guns
New York (CNN Business)Walmart is taking down displays of violent video games in its stores in the wake of recent shootings. But the company plans to still sell the controversial video games -- and guns.
Did you watch the trailer? I hadn't heard of this movie until you posted about it, but I just watched the trailer and they did not mention Trump supporters at all. Also, it looks like the ones being hunted are the bad asses of the movie and end up kicking ass and taking names.
Did you watch the trailer? I hadn't heard of this movie until you posted about it, but I just watched the trailer and they did not mention Trump supporters at all. Also, it looks like the ones being hunted are the bad asses of the movie and end up kicking ass and taking names.
That's because Trump supporters aren't confused as to which bathroom to use. ;)
Did you watch the trailer? I hadn't heard of this movie until you posted about it, but I just watched the trailer and they did not mention Trump supporters at all. Also, it looks like the ones being hunted are the bad asses of the movie and end up kicking ass and taking names.
That's because Trump supporters aren't confused as to which bathroom to use. ;)
What?
I chose to quote the first few sentences and link to the article so people could read it themselves. Sorry it made your butt hurt.
What?https://www.apnews.com/456c0154218a4d378e2fb36cd40b709dQuoteEL PASO, Texas (AP) — The man accused of carrying out last weekend’s deadly mass shooting at Walmart in the Texas border city of El Paso confessed to officers while he was surrendering and later explained that he had been targeting Mexicans.
Patrick Crusius, 21, emerged with his hands up from a vehicle that was stopped at an intersection shortly after last Saturday’s attack and told officers, “I’m the shooter,” Detective Adrian Garcia said in an arrest warrant affidavit.
Crusius later waived his Miranda Rights and agreed to speak with detectives, telling them that he had driven to El Paso from the Dallas suburb of Allen — which is where he lived and is a more than 10-hour drive from El Paso — and that he was targeting Mexicans in the attack.
Twenty-two people were killed and about two dozen others were wounded in the attack. Many of the dead had Latino last names and eight of them were Mexican nationals.
Authorities believe Crusius posted a racist online screed that railed against an influx of Hispanics into the U.S. shortly before the attack.
Crusius has been charged with capital murder and is being held without bond. Federal prosecutors have said they are also considering hate-crime charges.
Hours after the attack in El Paso, a gunman killed nine people and wounded many others in Dayton, Ohio.
El Paso sits on the border with Mexico and has a large Latino population.
I don't think this one will be able to use mental illness as a defense.
But how do you differentiate between someone just spouting racist nonsense with no harmful intentions from someone with harmful intentions? Especially when they have no prior police record or red flags(besides racism, of course)?
https://www.foxnews.com/media/nbc-universal-hunt-gun-control-hypocrisyI think it is extremely lame to attack someone for "hypocrisy" because they want gun control but also made a movie with guns. It's childish, it's like saying "oh, you're in favor of murder being against the law? Well, why did you make a movie about a serial killer then? HYPOCRITE!". Like, come on.
Thoughts?
Lol watch the trailer to The Hunt. The trumpsters are CLEARLY the good guys.
Lol watch the trailer to The Hunt. The trumpsters are CLEARLY the good guys.
It doesn't matter who the "good guys" are. If the roles were reversed and Trumpsters were hunting Clintoners or Obamaers or Berniers the outrage would be nuclear.
Yes, the outrage by republicans would be nuclear. The internet would explode with Trump supporters whining about how it cultivates liberal victim culture and makes Trump supporters look evil.Lol watch the trailer to The Hunt. The trumpsters are CLEARLY the good guys.
It doesn't matter who the "good guys" are. If the roles were reversed and Trumpsters were hunting Clintoners or Obamaers or Berniers the outrage would be nuclear.
Watch the trailer before spouting your typically uninformed opinion.Lol watch the trailer to The Hunt. The trumpsters are CLEARLY the good guys.
It doesn't matter who the "good guys" are. If the roles were reversed and Trumpsters were hunting Clintoners or Obamaers or Berniers the outrage would be nuclear.
Anyone that denies this is either an idiot, brainwashed or a liar.
Yes, the outrage by republicans would be nuclear. The internet would explode with Trump supporters whining about how it cultivates liberal victim culture and makes Trump supporters look evil.Lol watch the trailer to The Hunt. The trumpsters are CLEARLY the good guys.
It doesn't matter who the "good guys" are. If the roles were reversed and Trumpsters were hunting Clintoners or Obamaers or Berniers the outrage would be nuclear.
Watch the trailer before spouting your typically uninformed opinion.Lol watch the trailer to The Hunt. The trumpsters are CLEARLY the good guys.
It doesn't matter who the "good guys" are. If the roles were reversed and Trumpsters were hunting Clintoners or Obamaers or Berniers the outrage would be nuclear.
Anyone that denies this is either an idiot, brainwashed or a liar.
I don't understand how this has anything to do with the movie.Yes, the outrage by republicans would be nuclear. The internet would explode with Trump supporters whining about how it cultivates liberal victim culture and makes Trump supporters look evil.Lol watch the trailer to The Hunt. The trumpsters are CLEARLY the good guys.
It doesn't matter who the "good guys" are. If the roles were reversed and Trumpsters were hunting Clintoners or Obamaers or Berniers the outrage would be nuclear.
Wrong, it's in the same vein as Obama deporting more illegal immigrants this far into his presidency(with many families being separated) than Trump has, but Trump is the bad guy.
I don't understand how this has anything to do with the movie.Yes, the outrage by republicans would be nuclear. The internet would explode with Trump supporters whining about how it cultivates liberal victim culture and makes Trump supporters look evil.Lol watch the trailer to The Hunt. The trumpsters are CLEARLY the good guys.
It doesn't matter who the "good guys" are. If the roles were reversed and Trumpsters were hunting Clintoners or Obamaers or Berniers the outrage would be nuclear.
Wrong, it's in the same vein as Obama deporting more illegal immigrants this far into his presidency(with many families being separated) than Trump has, but Trump is the bad guy.
First of all, as I said earlier, saying "durr you hypocrite because you makes movie with guns but you like gun control lol" is ridiculous, it would make everyone who's ever made a movie where anything illegal happens a hypocrite if they support that law. Made a movie where someone is killed but don't like murder? Hypocrite. Made a movie where someone is raped but don't want to be raped? Hypocrite. It's nonsense.
The article was about the movie company pushing for gun control while simultaneously promoting a movie full of guns and shooting and killing.
But if the roles were reversed, as I said, the liberal outrage would be palpable.
Twelve strangers wake up in a clearing. They don't know where they are, or how they got there. They don't know they've been chosen... for a very specific purpose... The Hunt. In the shadow of a dark internet conspiracy theory, a group of globalist elites gathers for the very first time at a remote Manor House to hunt humans for sport. But the elites' master plan is about to be derailed because one of the hunted, Crystal (Betty Gilpin, GLOW), knows The Hunters' game better than they do. She turns the tables on the killers, picking them off, one by one, as she makes her way toward the mysterious woman (two-time Oscar (R) winner Hilary Swank) at the center of it all.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/nbc-universal-hunt-gun-control-hypocrisy
Thoughts?
https://www.foxnews.com/media/nbc-universal-hunt-gun-control-hypocrisy
Thoughts?
A bunch of liberals with firearms? Do you have any idea how ridiculous that sounds?
https://www.foxnews.com/media/nbc-universal-hunt-gun-control-hypocrisy
Thoughts?
A bunch of liberals with firearms? Do you have any idea how ridiculous that sounds?
Must be how the Trumpers win, those libs can't shoot for shit ;)
Did you watch the trailer? I hadn't heard of this movie until you posted about it, but I just watched the trailer and they did not mention Trump supporters at all. Also, it looks like the ones being hunted are the bad asses of the movie and end up kicking ass and taking names.
That's because Trump supporters aren't confused as to which bathroom to use. ;)
What?
Do you not know a joke when you see one?
A bunch of liberals with firearms? Do you have any idea how ridiculous that sounds?
Well conservatives do seem to find milkshakes extremely threatening, so...
A bunch of liberals with firearms? Do you have any idea how ridiculous that sounds?
Right?
We are being bullied by dorks with milk shakes.
Also:
Trump Says He Supports 'Intelligent' Background Checks https://n.pr/2KF9le9
Anyone else find it disturbing that it took not kids, teens, or gay people at a club dying, but mexicans at a walmart for Republicans to talk about gun control?
Also:
Trump Says He Supports 'Intelligent' Background Checks https://n.pr/2KF9le9
Anyone else find it disturbing that it took not kids, teens, or gay people at a club dying, but mexicans at a walmart for Republicans to talk about gun control?
I suppose it's better late then never.
Though really, it won't make any difference as we are talking about such a small .000000 percentage of the population
Also:
Trump Says He Supports 'Intelligent' Background Checks https://n.pr/2KF9le9
Anyone else find it disturbing that it took not kids, teens, or gay people at a club dying, but mexicans at a walmart for Republicans to talk about gun control?
I suppose it's better late then never.
Though really, it won't make any difference as we are talking about such a small .000000 percentage of the population
Such a small percentage of muslims are terrorists. Didn't stop anyone from hating them all or Trump wanting to ban travel from certain countries.
Also:
Trump Says He Supports 'Intelligent' Background Checks https://n.pr/2KF9le9
Anyone else find it disturbing that it took not kids, teens, or gay people at a club dying, but mexicans at a walmart for Republicans to talk about gun control?
I suppose it's better late then never.
Though really, it won't make any difference as we are talking about such a small .000000 percentage of the population
Such a small percentage of muslims are terrorists. Didn't stop anyone from hating them all or Trump wanting to ban travel from certain countries.
Actually stopped alot of people. That was just a stunt.
Though to be fair, there are tons of radicalized Muslims, just not that many make it to the states. However, other countries should definitely do something to protect themselves
What "other countries"? What are you basing that on? Unless you're talking about the middle east, or various majority Muslim countries around the world,what you are saying is completely wrong.Also:
Trump Says He Supports 'Intelligent' Background Checks https://n.pr/2KF9le9
Anyone else find it disturbing that it took not kids, teens, or gay people at a club dying, but mexicans at a walmart for Republicans to talk about gun control?
I suppose it's better late then never.
Though really, it won't make any difference as we are talking about such a small .000000 percentage of the population
Such a small percentage of muslims are terrorists. Didn't stop anyone from hating them all or Trump wanting to ban travel from certain countries.
Actually stopped alot of people. That was just a stunt.
Though to be fair, there are tons of radicalized Muslims, just not that many make it to the states. However, other countries should definitely do something to protect themselves
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Did... Did I just read people reading into a movie trailer as political statements and complaining that the other side would be even madder than they are?
You all do realize that both sides would be equally mad at having a movie say "You're a bunch of evil people", right? Stop trying to think you're somehow more virtuous by reason of it being "your side".
Its like when you complain at the other kid hit you harder. Guess what? Ya both hurt each other. Stop arguing.
God....
You mad.
Don't you think it's interesting that the big media channels try to keep us against each other? Like making it seem that the movie was liberals hunting Trump supporters, or CNN trying to make us mad at Walmart for taking their game displays down. They all try to make the "other side" seem hypocritical, and they all deceive us. The more outraged we are, the more we tune in.
If that is the case, then trumpers are clearly the good guys so idk why y'all are whining.Don't you think it's interesting that the big media channels try to keep us against each other? Like making it seem that the movie was liberals hunting Trump supporters, or CNN trying to make us mad at Walmart for taking their game displays down. They all try to make the "other side" seem hypocritical, and they all deceive us. The more outraged we are, the more we tune in.
But that movie IS liberals hunting Trump supporters. Even in the script they call the Trumpers "deplorables".
If that is the case, then trumpers are clearly the good guys so idk why y'all are whining.Don't you think it's interesting that the big media channels try to keep us against each other? Like making it seem that the movie was liberals hunting Trump supporters, or CNN trying to make us mad at Walmart for taking their game displays down. They all try to make the "other side" seem hypocritical, and they all deceive us. The more outraged we are, the more we tune in.
But that movie IS liberals hunting Trump supporters. Even in the script they call the Trumpers "deplorables".
True fact.
I just read a Fox article about the movie. Universal Pictures have paused the marketing campaign for the movie. Don't know how much good that's going to do, the right wing press are doing the marketing for them. Here we are, talking about a movie I never heard of until yesterday!
If that is the case, then trumpers are clearly the good guys so idk why y'all are whining.Don't you think it's interesting that the big media channels try to keep us against each other? Like making it seem that the movie was liberals hunting Trump supporters, or CNN trying to make us mad at Walmart for taking their game displays down. They all try to make the "other side" seem hypocritical, and they all deceive us. The more outraged we are, the more we tune in.
But that movie IS liberals hunting Trump supporters. Even in the script they call the Trumpers "deplorables".
I was just being facetious about that bit, because whichever side is hunting the other there would be outrage. The original point is that NBC Universal is promoting this movie(involving guns and killing) while simultaneously promoting gun control and the like. Especially after the two recent mass shootings and the movie's political undertones.
Thank the lord it isn't straights hunting gays, now that would cause some drama lol.Um. That was almost the exact premise of Get Out. I must have missed the outrage.
Or whites hunting blacks.
Hollywood(and liberals) want to infringe on the second amendment, so I wonder what would happen if Hollywood would not be allowed to have any guns in any of their movies? I wonder if they would accept their first amendment rights being infringed upon.
Universal Pictures says it is canceling the release of "The Hunt" following intense backlash from conservatives and President Trump over the politically charged violence depicted in the purported satire.
"While Universal Pictures had already paused the marketing campaign for 'The Hunt,' after thoughtful consideration, the studio has decided to cancel our plans to release the film," a Universal Pictures spokesperson told The Hill in a statement.
"We stand by our filmmakers and will continue to distribute films in partnership with bold and visionary creators, like those associated with this satirical social thriller, but we understand that now is not the right time to release this film."
Hollywood(and liberals) want to infringe on the second amendment, so I wonder what would happen if Hollywood would not be allowed to have any guns in any of their movies? I wonder if they would accept their first amendment rights being infringed upon.
"I wanted to know if that Walmart honored the 2nd Amendment," he is quoted as saying in a police statement. He also said he did not expect people in Missouri to react they way they did. "I understand if we were somewhere else like New York or California, people would freak out."
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/norway-mosque-shooting-attack-latest-gunman-worshipper-man-hero-far-right-terror-a9051986.html
Some incredible 65 year old badass took down some fascist nut who tried to shoot up a mosque in Norway who was armed to the teeth, and he didn't even have a weapon.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/norway-mosque-shooting-attack-latest-gunman-worshipper-man-hero-far-right-terror-a9051986.html
Some incredible 65 year old badass took down some fascist nut who tried to shoot up a mosque in Norway who was armed to the teeth, and he didn't even have a weapon.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/norway-mosque-shooting-attack-latest-gunman-worshipper-man-hero-far-right-terror-a9051986.html
Some incredible 65 year old badass took down some fascist nut who tried to shoot up a mosque in Norway who was armed to the teeth, and he didn't even have a weapon.
Not far from where I live. (Like hour drive)
And only pistols and shotguns. So no ARs.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/norway-mosque-shooting-attack-latest-gunman-worshipper-man-hero-far-right-terror-a9051986.html
Some incredible 65 year old badass took down some fascist nut who tried to shoot up a mosque in Norway who was armed to the teeth, and he didn't even have a weapon.
Not far from where I live. (Like hour drive)
And only pistols and shotguns. So no ARs.
Right, pistols and shotguns don't hurt. It's the angry guns that attack people.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/norway-mosque-shooting-attack-latest-gunman-worshipper-man-hero-far-right-terror-a9051986.html
Some incredible 65 year old badass took down some fascist nut who tried to shoot up a mosque in Norway who was armed to the teeth, and he didn't even have a weapon.
Not far from where I live. (Like hour drive)
And only pistols and shotguns. So no ARs.
Right, pistols and shotguns don't hurt. It's the angry guns that attack people.
More like I wouldn't call it heavily armed.
Not even then. I mean, its armed sure. But he's not gonna have a 3 hour shootout with cops or mow down 20 people in a minute.https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/norway-mosque-shooting-attack-latest-gunman-worshipper-man-hero-far-right-terror-a9051986.html
Some incredible 65 year old badass took down some fascist nut who tried to shoot up a mosque in Norway who was armed to the teeth, and he didn't even have a weapon.
Not far from where I live. (Like hour drive)
And only pistols and shotguns. So no ARs.
Right, pistols and shotguns don't hurt. It's the angry guns that attack people.
More like I wouldn't call it heavily armed.
Until you get shot in the balls?
Not even then. I mean, its armed sure. But he's not gonna have a 3 hour shootout with cops or mow down 20 people in a minute.https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/norway-mosque-shooting-attack-latest-gunman-worshipper-man-hero-far-right-terror-a9051986.html
Some incredible 65 year old badass took down some fascist nut who tried to shoot up a mosque in Norway who was armed to the teeth, and he didn't even have a weapon.
Not far from where I live. (Like hour drive)
And only pistols and shotguns. So no ARs.
Right, pistols and shotguns don't hurt. It's the angry guns that attack people.
More like I wouldn't call it heavily armed.
Until you get shot in the balls?
Dude with 3 firearms and body armor isn't heavily armed? You can do a lot of damage in a closed space with a shotgun. Luckily there weren't many people inside when he got in.https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/norway-mosque-shooting-attack-latest-gunman-worshipper-man-hero-far-right-terror-a9051986.html
Some incredible 65 year old badass took down some fascist nut who tried to shoot up a mosque in Norway who was armed to the teeth, and he didn't even have a weapon.
Not far from where I live. (Like hour drive)
And only pistols and shotguns. So no ARs.
Right, pistols and shotguns don't hurt. It's the angry guns that attack people.
More like I wouldn't call it heavily armed.
Dude with 3 weapons and body armor isn't heavily armed?https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/norway-mosque-shooting-attack-latest-gunman-worshipper-man-hero-far-right-terror-a9051986.html
Some incredible 65 year old badass took down some fascist nut who tried to shoot up a mosque in Norway who was armed to the teeth, and he didn't even have a weapon.
Not far from where I live. (Like hour drive)
And only pistols and shotguns. So no ARs.
Right, pistols and shotguns don't hurt. It's the angry guns that attack people.
More like I wouldn't call it heavily armed.
Seriously though, this bullshit is criminal, that idiot was trying to normalize people walking armed to the teeth in public, populated spaces without anyone caring, the only thing that this does is make the job of the next shooter much easier. Luckilly he failed. That is, if his account was true and he didn't actually want to shoot anyone before chickening out.Dude with 3 weapons and body armor isn't heavily armed?https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/norway-mosque-shooting-attack-latest-gunman-worshipper-man-hero-far-right-terror-a9051986.html
Some incredible 65 year old badass took down some fascist nut who tried to shoot up a mosque in Norway who was armed to the teeth, and he didn't even have a weapon.
Not far from where I live. (Like hour drive)
And only pistols and shotguns. So no ARs.
Right, pistols and shotguns don't hurt. It's the angry guns that attack people.
More like I wouldn't call it heavily armed.
Not evidently while shopping in the San Diego Walmart.
Then what do you all consider heavily armed vs armed?If he had, say, a pistol and no body armor that's "armed".
Then what do you all consider heavily armed vs armed?If he had, say, a pistol and no body armor that's "armed".
Then what do you all consider heavily armed vs armed?
I don't understand why you are making such a big and complicated issue out of this.Then what do you all consider heavily armed vs armed?If he had, say, a pistol and no body armor that's "armed".
So a pistol + body armor = heavily armed?
And I consider you a retard, independent of how armed you are!Then what do you all consider heavily armed vs armed?
People who are more armed than me are heavily armed, those who are less armed than me consider me heavily armed.
People who are more armed than me are heavily armed, those who are less armed than me consider me heavily armed.
When somebody can stab 100 people in less than a minute then we can discuss the logic in banning knives.
So does this mean Australia needs to ban assault knives next?Yeah, as soon as all the world's armies decide that knives are more effective at killing people than guns.
When somebody can stab 100 people in less than a minute then we can discuss the logic in banning knives.If you can stab 30-50 feral hogs in 3-5 minutes then who needs guns?
So does this mean Australia needs to ban assault knives next? France still hasn't banned cars.
To me this is all just damage mitigation. If the same mindset we used to reduce drunk driving deaths were used to reduce firearm deaths I think we'd see a lot of progress.
Who was that masked man?
Cops in eastern Florida are not optimistic about finding a handgun that was stolen during a three-day orgy in Volusia County, where the swingers in attendance all wore masks.
"We’re probably not going to solve this one,” Volusia County Sgt. Todd Smith said Thursday, according to the Daytona Beach News Journal. He also said identifying the thief by DNA "is not going to be an option.”
Roughly 20 people attended last weekend’s sex party, where a 9-mm. Glock went missing from a bed stand in the master bedroom at some point.
Complicating matters further, participants at the sordid soiree were encouraged to use aliases. The unidentified host, who reported his pistol missing, only knew a handful of people who passed through his home during the erotic event, according to the report.
The sheriff’s office said the party had been promoted on social media. They also claim gun theft in the area is on the rise and that 81 firearms have been swiped from unlocked cars so far this year.
To me this is all just damage mitigation. If the same mindset we used to reduce drunk driving deaths were used to reduce firearm deaths I think we'd see a lot of progress.
Falling short of repealing the second amendment, what can we do to stop gun violence? Stronger background checks could help, although we see half-assed checks now. Limiting magazine size could also help. If someone had an AR-15 with multiple magazines instead of one large drum, the reload time would give people time to run and time for the officers to neutralize the person. Banning "assault" type weapons. It seems that everyone has their own definition of what an assault weapon is, so until we decide what constitutes an assault-type weapon, that if left on the back burner.
We also need to get back to teaching our kids(and adults) to respect the sanctity of life.
Maybe a crackdown on gun dealers who don't follow the law.
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/ny-gun-stolen-sex-orgy-masked-masks-20190808-bdkr4kswaffnxl2gccwcuiphxy-story.htmlQuoteWho was that masked man?
Cops in eastern Florida are not optimistic about finding a handgun that was stolen during a three-day orgy in Volusia County, where the swingers in attendance all wore masks.
"We’re probably not going to solve this one,” Volusia County Sgt. Todd Smith said Thursday, according to the Daytona Beach News Journal. He also said identifying the thief by DNA "is not going to be an option.”
Roughly 20 people attended last weekend’s sex party, where a 9-mm. Glock went missing from a bed stand in the master bedroom at some point.
Complicating matters further, participants at the sordid soiree were encouraged to use aliases. The unidentified host, who reported his pistol missing, only knew a handful of people who passed through his home during the erotic event, according to the report.
The sheriff’s office said the party had been promoted on social media. They also claim gun theft in the area is on the rise and that 81 firearms have been swiped from unlocked cars so far this year.
We definitely need to crack down on gun stealing anonymous orgy participants.
We got told after the time when some guy mowed down over 50 people enjoying a concert from a high rise building that 'its not the time to talk about gun control'There was another mass shooting recently. Probably best to wait a little longer.
OK. It's been a while. Can we talk about it yet? Or do we still have to wait
We got told after the time when some guy mowed down over 50 people enjoying a concert from a high rise building that 'its not the time to talk about gun control'There was another mass shooting recently. Probably best to wait a little longer.
OK. It's been a while. Can we talk about it yet? Or do we still have to wait
At Least 5 Dead and Up to 20 Injured in Shootings Near Odessa, Tex.
Officials said the attack started as a traffic stop.
HOUSTON — At least five people were killed and 21 others injured in shootings near the West Texas cities of Odessa and Midland on Saturday, as one or two gunmen in a hijacked postal van and a pickup truck opened fire on residents, motorists and shoppers, the authorities said.
The two attacks in the two cities terrified a region with a combined population of 263,000 at the start of Labor Day weekend. Police officers and state troopers tried to keep drivers off the highways.
Chief Michael Gerke of the Odessa Police Department said at a news conference on Saturday evening that the gunman, a white male in his mid-30s, was dead, and that three law enforcement were shot. He did not give a motive, but said that the attack began as a traffic stop.
Texas is a pretty violent place it seems.
Domestic terrorism. Time to call this barbaric shit for what it is. Time for some propaganda. Let these people forever be branded and remembered as terrorists little different to the pieces of shit who shoot and blow themselves up in the Middle East.
This shooting shit is a cancer on America and so called 'leader' of the free world. You want to know freedom? Being able to go about your day and not get shot at.
A baby was shot in the face FFS. This is the 'cost' of the 2nd amendment which has been bastardized so much to suit your gun lobby NRA.
NRA = Enemy of America
To be fair we don't know much about this guys motive yet. So its premature to call him a terrorist.
Also it looks like there was just one shooter in this incident.
To be fair we don't know much about this guys motive yet. So its premature to call him a terrorist.
Also it looks like there was just one shooter in this incident.
I think anytime someone mows down a bunch of people with bullets no matter the reason they should be considered a terrorist
Just because you want to kill, doesn't make you a terrorist.
If I kill 20 women one at a time, am I a terrorist or a serial killer?
Your kindergartners learn how to protect themselves from shooters.
Your kindergartners learn how to protect themselves from shooters.
When I was a young school kid we used to practice closing the curtains and hiding under our desks
to protect ourselves from Russian Nukes.
It sucks knowing we could be injured or killed at random.
Like car wrecks, plane crashes, lightning, you name it.
I don't think anyone is in favor of random murder.
Blaming the NRA is just voicing frustration. We are all frustrated.
Weapons have been a key defining component of human culture from the start.
That will never change. That genie will never go back into the bottle.
I have no idea why people blame the NRA instead of the broken mental healthcare system.
I am open to hearing original ideas that could actually help mitigate the problem.
Texas is a pretty violent place it seems.There is an expression in Greek, which I guess exists because of all the old westerns set in Texas, which translates to something like "they made the place like Texas" or "Texas happened", or something like that, referring to something chaotic and often violent happening. Guess it's still accurate.
Several of these shooters are not mentally ill. They just hate.
Yes but you can't really fix that with better mental healthcare. You can fix a lot of things I guess but lots of these people would fly under the radar.
Several of these shooters are not mentally ill. They just hate.
I would suggest that anyone who hates enough to perform random murder is mentally ill.
We blame the NRA because they hold alot of influence ($$$) in politics to prevent any change in gun laws that make it harder to get a gun.
Several of these shooters are not mentally ill. They just hate.
I would suggest that anyone who hates enough to perform random murder is mentally ill.
We blame the NRA because they hold alot of influence ($$$) in politics to prevent any change in gun laws that make it harder to get a gun.
You do realize that the "NRA" is simply fellow citizens you happen to disagree with, right?
Several of these shooters are not mentally ill. They just hate.
I would suggest that anyone who hates enough to perform random murder is mentally ill.
You'd be wrong.
That's like saying anyone who loves others unconditionally is mentally ill.
Hate is an emotion. Its normal and therefore not a mental illness.
We blame the NRA because they hold alot of influence ($$$) in politics to prevent any change in gun laws that make it harder to get a gun.
You do realize that the "NRA" is simply fellow citizens you happen to disagree with, right?
Trump is a fellow citizen I happen to disagree with. Doesn't make him any less of an asshole nor his actions any less damaging.
Nope.
Several of these shooters are not mentally ill. They just hate.
I would suggest that anyone who hates enough to perform random murder is mentally ill.
You'd be wrong.
That's like saying anyone who loves others unconditionally is mentally ill.
Hate is an emotion. Its normal and therefore not a mental illness.
We blame the NRA because they hold alot of influence ($$$) in politics to prevent any change in gun laws that make it harder to get a gun.
You do realize that the "NRA" is simply fellow citizens you happen to disagree with, right?
Trump is a fellow citizen I happen to disagree with. Doesn't make him any less of an asshole nor his actions any less damaging.
I'm sayin', love or hate, if your emotions make you slaughter folks your head is fucked up.
Nope.
Several of these shooters are not mentally ill. They just hate.
I would suggest that anyone who hates enough to perform random murder is mentally ill.
You'd be wrong.
That's like saying anyone who loves others unconditionally is mentally ill.
Hate is an emotion. Its normal and therefore not a mental illness.
We blame the NRA because they hold alot of influence ($$$) in politics to prevent any change in gun laws that make it harder to get a gun.
You do realize that the "NRA" is simply fellow citizens you happen to disagree with, right?
Trump is a fellow citizen I happen to disagree with. Doesn't make him any less of an asshole nor his actions any less damaging.
I'm sayin', love or hate, if your emotions make you slaughter folks your head is fucked up.
I used to think so too but it doesn't. They know what they're doing. They are of clear mind. They just hate someone/feel threatened that murder is the only solution they have.
Texas is a pretty violent place it seems.There is an expression in Greek, which I guess exists because of all the old westerns set in Texas, which translates to something like "they made the place like Texas" or "Texas happened", or something like that, referring to something chaotic and often violent happening. Guess it's still accurate.
I assumed AR meant Assault Rifle. Huh...
Walmart ends all handgun ammunition sales and asks customers not to carry guns into stores
New York (CNN Business)Walmart on Tuesday announced it will reduce its gun and ammunition sales, one month after more than 20 people were killed in a mass shooting at a Walmart in El Paso, Texas. Walmart also pressured Congress to enact gun safety measures.
The company, America's largest retailer, said it will stop selling handgun ammunition and "short-barrel rifle ammunition," such as the .223 caliber and 5.56 caliber, that can also be used on assault-style weapons after selling all of its current inventory. Walmart (WMT) will also stop selling handguns in Alaska, the only state where it still sells handguns. And Walmart will request that customers no longer openly carry guns into its 4,700 US stores, or its Sam's Club stores, in states that allow open carry.
"It's clear to us that the status quo is unacceptable," Walmart CEO Doug McMillon said in a memo to employees on Tuesday.
However, Walmart will continue to sell long barrel deer rifles and shotguns and much of the ammunition for those guns. The company sells guns in about 3,900 stores. Walmart will also continue to allow concealed carry by customers with permits in its stores.
McMillon said Walmart's changes were prompted by the El Paso, Texas, shooting, as well as recent mass shootings in Dayton, Ohio, and Midland and Odessa, Texas.
The measured steps announced Tuesday are the latest changes Walmart has made to its gun policies in recent years as mass shootings continue in America.
Walmart attempted again to balance customers who own guns and are "part of our customer base" with safety in stores, Dan Bartlett, Walmart executive vice president of corporate affairs, said on a call with reporters.
"We feel like we are striking a responsible balance between the interests of law-abiding citizens who are exercising their legal rights and the safety concerns of our associates and customers," he said.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/03/business/walmart-ends-handgun-ammo-sales/index.htmlQuoteWalmart ends all handgun ammunition sales and asks customers not to carry guns into stores
New York (CNN Business)Walmart on Tuesday announced it will reduce its gun and ammunition sales, one month after more than 20 people were killed in a mass shooting at a Walmart in El Paso, Texas. Walmart also pressured Congress to enact gun safety measures.
The company, America's largest retailer, said it will stop selling handgun ammunition and "short-barrel rifle ammunition," such as the .223 caliber and 5.56 caliber, that can also be used on assault-style weapons after selling all of its current inventory. Walmart (WMT) will also stop selling handguns in Alaska, the only state where it still sells handguns. And Walmart will request that customers no longer openly carry guns into its 4,700 US stores, or its Sam's Club stores, in states that allow open carry.
"It's clear to us that the status quo is unacceptable," Walmart CEO Doug McMillon said in a memo to employees on Tuesday.
However, Walmart will continue to sell long barrel deer rifles and shotguns and much of the ammunition for those guns. The company sells guns in about 3,900 stores. Walmart will also continue to allow concealed carry by customers with permits in its stores.
McMillon said Walmart's changes were prompted by the El Paso, Texas, shooting, as well as recent mass shootings in Dayton, Ohio, and Midland and Odessa, Texas.
The measured steps announced Tuesday are the latest changes Walmart has made to its gun policies in recent years as mass shootings continue in America.
Walmart attempted again to balance customers who own guns and are "part of our customer base" with safety in stores, Dan Bartlett, Walmart executive vice president of corporate affairs, said on a call with reporters.
"We feel like we are striking a responsible balance between the interests of law-abiding citizens who are exercising their legal rights and the safety concerns of our associates and customers," he said.
This is a pretty big deal, I think. There will be a lot of pissed off gun nuts. I feel sorry for the workers in the stores.
There's Walmart in China?
Not sure what that has to do with Walmarts in the US.
NRA slams Walmart for caving to ‘anti-gun elites’ after retailer ends handgun ammo sales
The National Rifle Association slammed retail giant Walmart on Tuesday after the company announced it would end sales of handgun ammunition in its stores.
“The strongest defense of freedom has always been our free market economy. It is shameful to see Walmart to succumb to the pressure of the anti-gun elites,” the influential gun rights group wrote in a statement.
“Lines at Walmart will soon be replaced by lines at other retailers who are more supportive of America’s fundamental freedoms,” the statement said.
Yeah, well China would have dealt with the NRA a long time ago. https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/03/nra-slams-walmart-after-retailer-cuts-gun-and-ammo-sales.htmlQuoteNRA slams Walmart for caving to ‘anti-gun elites’ after retailer ends handgun ammo sales
The National Rifle Association slammed retail giant Walmart on Tuesday after the company announced it would end sales of handgun ammunition in its stores.
“The strongest defense of freedom has always been our free market economy. It is shameful to see Walmart to succumb to the pressure of the anti-gun elites,” the influential gun rights group wrote in a statement.
“Lines at Walmart will soon be replaced by lines at other retailers who are more supportive of America’s fundamental freedoms,” the statement said.
The NRA, ran by multi millionaires, likes to pretend anyone who wants any kind of control are "elitists". Unfortunately there are lots of people in the US who believe this shit. I know people, I am fucking kin to people, who will not shop at Dick's Sporting Goods after they removed guns from their stores.
Also, we don't have a free market economy.
“If you realise someone has a gun for protection, and they’re not expecting you — announce yourself when you enter the home, or even if you’re getting up to get a drink of water in the middle of the night,”
a girl came home from college early, the mum shot her.
a girl came home from college early, the mum shot her.
a girl came home from college early, the mum shot her.
It's called a Texas Hello.
Respect our culture!!!
a girl came home from college early, the mum shot her.
It's called a Texas Hello.
Respect our culture!!!
It wasn't that simple (I was just listening to them talk about it on the radio while coming home). She is a single mom that lives alone, she did not expect her daughter, it was at night, she was in bed, the daughter was sneaking around the house (I am sure with good intentions to surprise her mom) in the dark.
I mean it sucks, I am sure the mom feels terrible, but it was a bad move. I wouldn't be mad if I did that to even my best friend.
Also, the DA is announced it is not pressing charges after looking at the evidence.
One thing for sure, the daughter will definitely ring the doorbell next time lol. Thankfully it was just a flesh wound.
a girl came home from college early, the mum shot her.
It's called a Texas Hello.
Respect our culture!!!
It wasn't that simple (I was just listening to them talk about it on the radio while coming home). She is a single mom that lives alone, she did not expect her daughter, it was at night, she was in bed, the daughter was sneaking around the house (I am sure with good intentions to surprise her mom) in the dark.
I mean it sucks, I am sure the mom feels terrible, but it was a bad move. I wouldn't be mad if I did that to even my best friend.
Also, the DA is announced it is not pressing charges after looking at the evidence.
One thing for sure, the daughter will definitely ring the doorbell next time lol. Thankfully it was just a flesh wound.
I figured. I was just making a dark joke.
Things like this are why if I thought someone was breaking into my house then I'd reach for a baseball bat instead of a gun. But a single mom that lives alone, I totally understand the gun.
Know your target and what is beyond.
Be absolutely sure you have identified your target beyond any doubt. Equally important, be aware of the area beyond your target. This means observing your prospective area of fire before you shoot. Never fire in a direction in which there are people or any other potential for mishap. Think first. Shoot second.
Things like this are why if I thought someone was breaking into my house then I'd reach for a baseball bat instead of a gun. But a single mom that lives alone, I totally understand the gun.
From the NRA's own web page (and I imagine what gets hammered into anyone training on the use of a gun)QuoteKnow your target and what is beyond.
Be absolutely sure you have identified your target beyond any doubt. Equally important, be aware of the area beyond your target. This means observing your prospective area of fire before you shoot. Never fire in a direction in which there are people or any other potential for mishap. Think first. Shoot second.
Things like this are why if I thought someone was breaking into my house then I'd reach for a baseball bat instead of a gun. But a single mom that lives alone, I totally understand the gun.
How about a 58 year old disabled man?
Do I have to do battle one on one with an attacker?
I can't run away. I can't swing a bat.
Do I get an exemption too?
Shifter
Have you ever had to deal with a situation of an intruder at night? I am suspecting you have not. I have, multiple times actually (at a shit house I first lived in when I was broke as a joke, I have spoke about this some time ago) and it isn't something you can quarter back from a chair. You have split moments to make a decision...you or them. Do they have a gun? Knife? Are they crazy?
Yes, I didn't shoot anyone any of the times (one time was just a guy fucked off on drugs confused, though there was two times they wanted to do real harm), though I had my gun drawn at every time. However, I have extensive firearm training (even multiple times in the armed break in/active shooter some with air guns), very solid under pressure from when I worked offshore younger so I never panicked and I am a 6'4 male.
However, this instance it was a single woman living alone at night expecting no one to be in her house, also with little to no firearm training. It's not like her daughter lived with her and just came home before curfew...she didn't even live there, so why expect someone.
I have to say in my opinion you are wrong on this one shifter.
Things like this are why if I thought someone was breaking into my house then I'd reach for a baseball bat instead of a gun. But a single mom that lives alone, I totally understand the gun.
How about a 58 year old disabled man?
Do I have to do battle one on one with an attacker?
I can't run away. I can't swing a bat.
Do I get an exemption too?
You need a gun
The whole argument about the common pleb being able to rise up against the government or whatever if it gets out of line is redundant anyway.
The whole argument about the common pleb being able to rise up against the government or whatever if it gets out of line is redundant anyway.
Military can not be used against the people.
We only need to take out the police.
I do have an Australian bias where the threat of home invasions especially those with gun crime is near nil. When I speak, it is ultimately from a place like that. I just find it so tragic when people known and loved by someone are killed by accident because they got spooked. Like a wife coming home late at night (expected) and the man in a half sleep/awake state sees a silhouette of a person and unloads
https://abcnews.go.com/US/michigan-man-shoots-wife-mistaking-intruder-sheriff/story?id=64317617
You buy a gun because you a told it can protect you and your family. In so many cases, the guns end up doing the opposite.
The whole argument about the common pleb being able to rise up against the government or whatever if it gets out of line is redundant anyway. You dont take a knife to a gun fight.... What good is a gun in a drone fight?
I'm happy to be considered wrong and I fully understand the mindset of someone living in America is different to that of living in Australia.
The whole argument about the common pleb being able to rise up against the government or whatever if it gets out of line is redundant anyway.
Military can not be used against the people.
We only need to take out the police.
What about martial law, curfews?
Military can not be used against the people.
We only need to take out the police.
Oh they can 100 percent, it would just be an unprecedented act. I am sure that is why there are a certain amount of NATO troops at each military base sense tests show only a small minority of soldiers would kill civilians of their own country if ordered.
Military can not be used against the people.
We only need to take out the police.
Oh they can 100 percent, it would just be an unprecedented act. I am sure that is why there are a certain amount of NATO troops at each military base sense tests show only a small minority of soldiers would kill civilians of their own country if ordered.
Soldiers pledge to protect the constitution, not the government.
And, now you are going all D1 on us . . .
What tests show only a small minority of soldiers
would kill civilians of their own country if ordered?
Make ME look stupid, show us the tests.
Military can not be used against the people.
We only need to take out the police.
Oh they can 100 percent, it would just be an unprecedented act. I am sure that is why there are a certain amount of NATO troops at each military base sense tests show only a small minority of soldiers would kill civilians of their own country if ordered.
Soldiers pledge to protect the constitution, not the government.
And, now you are going all D1 on us . . .
What tests show only a small minority of soldiers
would kill civilians of their own country if ordered?
Make ME look stupid, show us the tests.
What? that is nothing new? The majority of soldiers would not fire upon their own civilians. There have been many studies private and within the government, they are questions mixed with other questions. No conspiracy, just simple questions.
If the government wanted to use the military against it's civilians it wouldn't be that hard. From wiggling around the Constitution, to declaring state of emergency to deputizing the military plus many other ways.
Doubt that would ever happen though, I think the government would be on the losing end if they tried that.
So I see you are going to go back to being a dick towards me now. I have done nothing to you. However, I always expect your mood changes, lashing out and stopped trusting you after the second time. Have fun using people as punching bags if they stick around
I do not know about any tests, but I know there are plenty of soldiers who would turn on citizens if they were ordered to. They're just normal humans. Some of them are great people, some of them are assholes, and all types in between.
Don't forget that there are others like Timothy McVeigh in the military.
How plausible was that movie 'Outbreak'? Where an Ebola like virus has gotten hold of a town and mutated to be airborne and the military wants to 'contain' the virus by dropping a bomb on the town
Surely no one wants to drop a bomb on their own countrymen but what if they were told it would ultimately save the whole country?
I do not know about any tests, but I know there are plenty of soldiers who would turn on citizens if they were ordered to. They're just normal humans. Some of them are great people, some of them are assholes, and all types in between.
Don't forget that there are others like Timothy McVeigh in the military.
I am sure the assholes are the ones that checked yes.
From what I remember the average was like 33 percent said they would if ordered. In real life I think it could be higher or lower depending on how vocal people were within the ranks.
If the general consensus would turn to "It's honorable to stand with the people" then the number would probably be in the teens I think.
Though if it turned out the general consensus was "the people are wrong, the government is right", then I would bet on a 50-70 percent turning on their people.
How plausible was that movie 'Outbreak'? Where an Ebola like virus has gotten hold of a town and mutated to be airborne and the military wants to 'contain' the virus by dropping a bomb on the town
Surely no one wants to drop a bomb on their own countrymen but what if they were told it would ultimately save the whole country?
Definitely plausible in that situation. When you bring in security and fear of death...many people will do crazy things.
Hell, America has murdered millions of people in the middle East on that premise.
So if millions of people thought that a city of 500,000 people had to die to save their lives...I would bet the majority would vote to nuke the place to oblivion
So if millions of people thought that a city of 500,000 people had to die to save their lives...I would be the majority would vote to nuke the place to oblivion
So if millions of people thought that a city of 500,000 people had to die to save their lives...I would be the majority would vote to nuke the place to oblivion
I nominate Chicago.
Of course it can lol. Do you think a piece of paper is gonna stop them? When push comes to shove they'll just enforce martial law. Do you think a tyrannical government (which would presumably not obey the constitution) would refrain from doing that because of the constitution? It could only happen if the military turned on the government too.
The whole argument about the common pleb being able to rise up against the government or whatever if it gets out of line is redundant anyway.
Military can not be used against the people.
We only need to take out the police.
Things like this are why if I thought someone was breaking into my house then I'd reach for a baseball bat instead of a gun. But a single mom that lives alone, I totally understand the gun.
How about a 58 year old disabled man?
Do I have to do battle one on one with an attacker?
I can't run away. I can't swing a bat.
Do I get an exemption too?
Things like this are why if I thought someone was breaking into my house then I'd reach for a baseball bat instead of a gun. But a single mom that lives alone, I totally understand the gun.
How about a 58 year old disabled man?
Do I have to do battle one on one with an attacker?
I can't run away. I can't swing a bat.
Do I get an exemption too?
Why would anyone even break into your home or attack you? Absolutely not realistic scenario to be honest!
Or perhaps just stop building paper houses and there will be much fewer break ins.
Things like this are why if I thought someone was breaking into my house then I'd reach for a baseball bat instead of a gun. But a single mom that lives alone, I totally understand the gun.
How about a 58 year old disabled man?
Do I have to do battle one on one with an attacker?
I can't run away. I can't swing a bat.
Do I get an exemption too?
Why would anyone even break into your home or attack you? Absolutely not realistic scenario to be honest!
I didn't even notice this post.
To answer your question. My statement is about what I would do. It wasn't a way that I believe everyone in general should protect their house.
Things like this are why if I thought someone was breaking into my house then I'd reach for a baseball bat instead of a gun. But a single mom that lives alone, I totally understand the gun.
How about a 58 year old disabled man?
Do I have to do battle one on one with an attacker?
I can't run away. I can't swing a bat.
Do I get an exemption too?
Why would anyone even break into your home or attack you? Absolutely not realistic scenario to be honest!
I didn't even notice this post.
To answer your question. My statement is about what I would do. It wasn't a way that I believe everyone in general should protect their house.
Things like this are why if I thought someone was breaking into my house then I'd reach for a baseball bat instead of a gun. But a single mom that lives alone, I totally understand the gun.
How about a 58 year old disabled man?
Do I have to do battle one on one with an attacker?
I can't run away. I can't swing a bat.
Do I get an exemption too?
Why would anyone even break into your home or attack you? Absolutely not realistic scenario to be honest!
I didn't even notice this post.
To answer your question. My statement is about what I would do. It wasn't a way that I believe everyone in general should protect their house.
So your bat can stop bullets?
Things like this are why if I thought someone was breaking into my house then I'd reach for a baseball bat instead of a gun. But a single mom that lives alone, I totally understand the gun.
How about a 58 year old disabled man?
Do I have to do battle one on one with an attacker?
I can't run away. I can't swing a bat.
Do I get an exemption too?
Why would anyone even break into your home or attack you? Absolutely not realistic scenario to be honest!
I didn't even notice this post.
To answer your question. My statement is about what I would do. It wasn't a way that I believe everyone in general should protect their house.
So your bat can stop bullets?
Mine can, depending on the calibur.
Things like this are why if I thought someone was breaking into my house then I'd reach for a baseball bat instead of a gun. But a single mom that lives alone, I totally understand the gun.
How about a 58 year old disabled man?
Do I have to do battle one on one with an attacker?
I can't run away. I can't swing a bat.
Do I get an exemption too?
Why would anyone even break into your home or attack you? Absolutely not realistic scenario to be honest!
I didn't even notice this post.
To answer your question. My statement is about what I would do. It wasn't a way that I believe everyone in general should protect their house.
So your bat can stop bullets?
Yes.
Things like this are why if I thought someone was breaking into my house then I'd reach for a baseball bat instead of a gun. But a single mom that lives alone, I totally understand the gun.
How about a 58 year old disabled man?
Do I have to do battle one on one with an attacker?
I can't run away. I can't swing a bat.
Do I get an exemption too?
Why would anyone even break into your home or attack you? Absolutely not realistic scenario to be honest!
I didn't even notice this post.
To answer your question. My statement is about what I would do. It wasn't a way that I believe everyone in general should protect their house.
So your bat can stop bullets?
Mine can, depending on the calibur.
So you have Deadpool-like reflexes?
Yes.
Things like this are why if I thought someone was breaking into my house then I'd reach for a baseball bat instead of a gun. But a single mom that lives alone, I totally understand the gun.
How about a 58 year old disabled man?
Do I have to do battle one on one with an attacker?
I can't run away. I can't swing a bat.
Do I get an exemption too?
Why would anyone even break into your home or attack you? Absolutely not realistic scenario to be honest!
I didn't even notice this post.
To answer your question. My statement is about what I would do. It wasn't a way that I believe everyone in general should protect their house.
So your bat can stop bullets?
Mine can, depending on the calibur.
So you have Deadpool-like reflexes?
But considering that we're talking about if my bat can stop a bullet, its not really relevant.
Yes.
Things like this are why if I thought someone was breaking into my house then I'd reach for a baseball bat instead of a gun. But a single mom that lives alone, I totally understand the gun.
How about a 58 year old disabled man?
Do I have to do battle one on one with an attacker?
I can't run away. I can't swing a bat.
Do I get an exemption too?
Why would anyone even break into your home or attack you? Absolutely not realistic scenario to be honest!
I didn't even notice this post.
To answer your question. My statement is about what I would do. It wasn't a way that I believe everyone in general should protect their house.
So your bat can stop bullets?
Mine can, depending on the calibur.
So you have Deadpool-like reflexes?
But considering that we're talking about if my bat can stop a bullet, its not really relevant.
So if I break into your house with a 15 round handgun, you could block all 15 shots in a row with your bat?
So if I break into your house with a 15 round handgun, you could block all 15 shots in a row with your bat?
You asked if my bat could block bullets, not if I could use a bat to block bullets fired at me.Yes.
Things like this are why if I thought someone was breaking into my house then I'd reach for a baseball bat instead of a gun. But a single mom that lives alone, I totally understand the gun.
How about a 58 year old disabled man?
Do I have to do battle one on one with an attacker?
I can't run away. I can't swing a bat.
Do I get an exemption too?
Why would anyone even break into your home or attack you? Absolutely not realistic scenario to be honest!
I didn't even notice this post.
To answer your question. My statement is about what I would do. It wasn't a way that I believe everyone in general should protect their house.
So your bat can stop bullets?
Mine can, depending on the calibur.
So you have Deadpool-like reflexes?
But considering that we're talking about if my bat can stop a bullet, its not really relevant.
So if I break into your house with a 15 round handgun, you could block all 15 shots in a row with your bat?
No neo. We're saying when the time comes, you wont need to.
Why would anyone even break into your home or attack you? Absolutely not realistic scenario to be honest!
Why would the government want to take our guns unless they will be doing things that warrant us shooting at them?
Why would the government want to take our guns unless they will be doing things that warrant us shooting at them?
What, like Trump declaring himself president for life? :P
But here's more normal answers:
Dead people can't pay taxes. Less guns, less people being shot.
Lower cost of police. Less guns, less need for hyper-awareness, less need for special equipment like bullet proof vests. And lower health care costs for them. Also, it becomes safer so you have a better chance of hiring people.
You do realize that gun restrictions were LOOSENED right?Why would the government want to take our guns unless they will be doing things that warrant us shooting at them?
What, like Trump declaring himself president for life? :P
But here's more normal answers:
Dead people can't pay taxes. Less guns, less people being shot.
Lower cost of police. Less guns, less need for hyper-awareness, less need for special equipment like bullet proof vests. And lower health care costs for them. Also, it becomes safer so you have a better chance of hiring people.
That worked out well the for Jews in Germany, now did it.
Why would the government want to take our guns unless they will be doing things that warrant us shooting at them?
What, like Trump declaring himself president for life? :P
But here's more normal answers:
Dead people can't pay taxes. Less guns, less people being shot.
Lower cost of police. Less guns, less need for hyper-awareness, less need for special equipment like bullet proof vests. And lower health care costs for them. Also, it becomes safer so you have a better chance of hiring people.
That worked out well the for Jews in Germany, now did it.
The scene was a nightmare: After a long, televised police chase of a hijacked UPS truck ground to a halt at a jammed South Florida intersection, gunfire erupted seemingly from everywhere Thursday evening — with vehicles stopped at a traffic light serving as officers' impromptu shields.
Gunfire exploded toward and from the truck. A bystander crouched on a median, then scrambled away as officers closed in.
In the end, four people were shot dead at the intersection in Miramar, authorities said, including two robbery suspects, a bystander, and hostage UPS driver Frank Ordonez, a man who relatives say had been substituting for a colleague who had called out from work that day.
Too bad we don't count it as a mass shooting when the cops do it!
The cops saved the UPS driver from being killed by the hostage takers.
The cops saved the UPS driver from being killed by the hostage takers.
Wait, what? wasn't the UPS driver shot by the cops?
The cops saved the UPS driver from being killed by the hostage takers.
Wait, what? wasn't the UPS driver shot by the cops?
::) yes
The cops saved the UPS driver from being killed by the hostage takers.
Wait, what? wasn't the UPS driver shot by the cops?
::) yes
This a strange new usage of the word "saved" that I'm unfamiliar with.
The cops saved the UPS driver from being killed by the hostage takers.
Wait, what? wasn't the UPS driver shot by the cops?
::) yes
This a strange new usage of the word "saved" that I'm unfamiliar with.
:o
Like you have never read anything I have EVER written . . . SARCASM
You haven't read Douglass Adams? I'm dissapointed.
It's so weird to me that the more heavily armed the police become the worse their training gets. They should be spending more time training, and weeding out people who don't belong.
It's so weird to me that the more heavily armed the police become the worse their training gets. They should be spending more time training, and weeding out people who don't belong.
If cops would just wait, people get tired and eventually just give up.
Let the adrenaline wear off.
I've seen car chases where they just follow until the driver realizes the game is over.
Driver pulls over, gets out and lays out flat.
Aggressive Policing causes aggressive resistance.
Nobody wants to go to jail.
Wait the crook out. They will give up.
I absolutely agree with you, SCG.
If cops shoot the hostage there is no chance of saving the hostage.
They could have backed away and waited.
It's so weird to me that the more heavily armed the police become the worse their training gets. They should be spending more time training, and weeding out people who don't belong.
There is a reason for it: the job sucks.
Bad hours. People who could kill you in the blink of an eye. Constant state of hypervigilence.
So what can you do but hire people who shouldn't be cops just so you have enough people.
You haven't read Douglass Adams? I'm dissapointed.
I've never heard the name.
Does he influence your vote?
On the subject of Presidents, his view was that under no circumstances should anyone who wants to become President ever be allowed to.
On the subject of Presidents, his view was that under no circumstances should anyone who wants to become President ever be allowed to.
Hahaha, I instantly love the dude.
I think the President should be chosen like jury duty.
You get a letter telling you to pack your bags and show up at the White House.
There is a reason for it: the job sucks.And donut icing gets everywhere.
Bad hours. People who could kill you in the blink of an eye. Constant state of hypervigilence.
A gunman killed one and injured another person during a service at a church in White Settlement, Texas, before a parishioner shot him dead.
In a graphic livestreamed video from the service, the gunman - wearing a black hood - approaches the communion server before pulling out what appears to be a shotgun. He manages to shoot two worshippers at point-black range as the panicked crowd dives for cover among the wooden pews. Before the gunman can squeeze off a third shot, an armed "heroic parishioner" as police later call him shoots the perpetrator. Multiple other bystanders pull weapons and encircle the man.
Multiple injured in active shooter incident at Wisconsin's Mayfair Mall: Mayor
The perpetrator is "at large," the mayor said.
Multiple people were injured in a shooting at the Mayfair Mall in Wauwatosa, Wisconsin, on Friday, the local mayor said.
None of the victims' injuries appear to be life-threatening and they are being taken to the hospital, Wauwatosa Mayor Dennis McBride told ABC News.
The perpetrator is "at large," the mayor said.
About 75 officers have descended on the scene in Wauwatosa, about 6 miles outside Milwaukee. The FBI's Milwaukee office also said it was responding to assist local law enforcement personnel.
This doesn't count as a mass shooting, but it's another shooting in a church. This time the shooter was not counting on the congregation to be armed, I guess? https://www.rt.com/viral/477068-people-shot-church-white-settlement-texas/
QuoteA gunman killed one and injured another person during a service at a church in White Settlement, Texas, before a parishioner shot him dead.
In a graphic livestreamed video from the service, the gunman - wearing a black hood - approaches the communion server before pulling out what appears to be a shotgun. He manages to shoot two worshippers at point-black range as the panicked crowd dives for cover among the wooden pews. Before the gunman can squeeze off a third shot, an armed "heroic parishioner" as police later call him shoots the perpetrator. Multiple other bystanders pull weapons and encircle the man.
I watched the video. Don't mess with Texans at church, mofos.
Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Guns just make it easier for people to kill people.
Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Guns just make it easier for people to kill people.
Yeah, without a gun you have to throw the bullets really hard.
I used to have a neighbor who said "it's not the bullet that kills you, it's the velocity".Thats just wrong, from a physics point of view.
Guns can be bad but once again they are not the problem. The shooter was a 15 year old.
It's so weird to me that the more heavily armed the police become the worse their training gets. They should be spending more time training, and weeding out people who don't belong.
There is a reason for it: the job sucks.
Bad hours. People who could kill you in the blink of an eye. Constant state of hypervigilence.
So what can you do but hire people who shouldn't be cops just so you have enough people.
I don't believe that. Lots of jobs suck. People could kill you in the blink of an eye while you're buying groceries. Being a police officer isn't even in the top 10 most dangerous jobs in the US.
The people who would be good police are probably turned off by the corruption of it all. Why would a good human being want to work at a job that regularly steals from citizens? Where their coworkers get away with murder and rape? Where speaking out against corruption can get you killed? They are actively making this job unattractive to the very people who would be best for the job.
See? With your guns!
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Bastards.
See? With your guns!
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Bastards.
If Bambi had been carrying then she would have been able to defend herself and this would never have happened.
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You're going to think twice about engaging with that mofo. The solution to guns is more guns!
Don't you see where the pack says "TELE CONTROL"? Obviously that means that it's telepathically controlled.If Bambi had been carrying then she would have been able to defend herself and this would never have happened.
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You're going to think twice about engaging with that mofo. The solution to guns is more guns!
How would bambi pull the trigger tho? It cant move its antler.
This week, shootings at three spas near the US city of Atlanta, Georgia left eight people dead. Six of those people were women of Asian descent.
The public did what it does best when incidents of violence form an unmistakable pattern.
They prayed for the victims, called for gun control and, most of all, sought answers on the perpetrator's motivation — any shred of detail that could help them understand whether it would happen again and whether, next time, it would happen to them.
This is how a 23-minute press conference became the subject of national outrage, the spark lifting a long-simmering conversation into a full-blown debate.
The 21-year-old man charged with murder told police he was suffering from a "sexual addiction" and had frequented the businesses he targeted.
"It's a temptation for him that he wanted to eliminate," a County Sheriff told reporters.
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"It's still early on ... but the indicators right now are that it might not be [racially motivated]."
The Sheriff's spokesman explained the man's mindset as "pretty much fed up. He was at the end of his rope".
"Yesterday was a really bad day for him," the spokesman said.
"And this is what he did."
How is this for a tone deaf response?The shooting had nothing to do with race.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-19/atlanta-shootings-reveal-scourge-of-asian-hate-crimes-amid-covid/13258270QuoteThis week, shootings at three spas near the US city of Atlanta, Georgia left eight people dead. Six of those people were women of Asian descent.
The public did what it does best when incidents of violence form an unmistakable pattern.
They prayed for the victims, called for gun control and, most of all, sought answers on the perpetrator's motivation — any shred of detail that could help them understand whether it would happen again and whether, next time, it would happen to them.
This is how a 23-minute press conference became the subject of national outrage, the spark lifting a long-simmering conversation into a full-blown debate.
The 21-year-old man charged with murder told police he was suffering from a "sexual addiction" and had frequented the businesses he targeted.
"It's a temptation for him that he wanted to eliminate," a County Sheriff told reporters.
LIVE UPDATES: Read our blog for the latest news on the COVID-19 pandemic.
"It's still early on ... but the indicators right now are that it might not be [racially motivated]."
The Sheriff's spokesman explained the man's mindset as "pretty much fed up. He was at the end of his rope".
"Yesterday was a really bad day for him," the spokesman said.
"And this is what he did."
So the next time you have a bad day, apparently, shooting up a bunch of people is just a thing you can do
The loser should have pointed the gun to his own dick if he wanted to get rid of his temptations. And then because he's a dickhead, point the gun to the dick on his head and pull the trigger
And yet, even with shit like this happening, the repugnican party objects / votes against a bill condemning anti-Asian sentiment and hate. Fuck 'em.
How is this for a tone deaf response?The shooting had nothing to do with race.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-19/atlanta-shootings-reveal-scourge-of-asian-hate-crimes-amid-covid/13258270QuoteThis week, shootings at three spas near the US city of Atlanta, Georgia left eight people dead. Six of those people were women of Asian descent.
The public did what it does best when incidents of violence form an unmistakable pattern.
They prayed for the victims, called for gun control and, most of all, sought answers on the perpetrator's motivation — any shred of detail that could help them understand whether it would happen again and whether, next time, it would happen to them.
This is how a 23-minute press conference became the subject of national outrage, the spark lifting a long-simmering conversation into a full-blown debate.
The 21-year-old man charged with murder told police he was suffering from a "sexual addiction" and had frequented the businesses he targeted.
"It's a temptation for him that he wanted to eliminate," a County Sheriff told reporters.
LIVE UPDATES: Read our blog for the latest news on the COVID-19 pandemic.
"It's still early on ... but the indicators right now are that it might not be [racially motivated]."
The Sheriff's spokesman explained the man's mindset as "pretty much fed up. He was at the end of his rope".
"Yesterday was a really bad day for him," the spokesman said.
"And this is what he did."
So the next time you have a bad day, apparently, shooting up a bunch of people is just a thing you can do
The loser should have pointed the gun to his own dick if he wanted to get rid of his temptations. And then because he's a dickhead, point the gun to the dick on his head and pull the trigger
And yet, even with shit like this happening, the repugnican party objects / votes against a bill condemning anti-Asian sentiment and hate. Fuck 'em.
The shooter told the entire world this.
The guy was a nut job.
Unlike you, he is a very direct source.How is this for a tone deaf response?The shooting had nothing to do with race.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-19/atlanta-shootings-reveal-scourge-of-asian-hate-crimes-amid-covid/13258270QuoteThis week, shootings at three spas near the US city of Atlanta, Georgia left eight people dead. Six of those people were women of Asian descent.
The public did what it does best when incidents of violence form an unmistakable pattern.
They prayed for the victims, called for gun control and, most of all, sought answers on the perpetrator's motivation — any shred of detail that could help them understand whether it would happen again and whether, next time, it would happen to them.
This is how a 23-minute press conference became the subject of national outrage, the spark lifting a long-simmering conversation into a full-blown debate.
The 21-year-old man charged with murder told police he was suffering from a "sexual addiction" and had frequented the businesses he targeted.
"It's a temptation for him that he wanted to eliminate," a County Sheriff told reporters.
LIVE UPDATES: Read our blog for the latest news on the COVID-19 pandemic.
"It's still early on ... but the indicators right now are that it might not be [racially motivated]."
The Sheriff's spokesman explained the man's mindset as "pretty much fed up. He was at the end of his rope".
"Yesterday was a really bad day for him," the spokesman said.
"And this is what he did."
So the next time you have a bad day, apparently, shooting up a bunch of people is just a thing you can do
The loser should have pointed the gun to his own dick if he wanted to get rid of his temptations. And then because he's a dickhead, point the gun to the dick on his head and pull the trigger
And yet, even with shit like this happening, the repugnican party objects / votes against a bill condemning anti-Asian sentiment and hate. Fuck 'em.
The shooter told the entire world this.
The guy was a nut job.
Yeah, the shooter is such a reliable and non biased source of information ::) I'm sure Asian women in America can feel at ease that their country respects them ::)
However the particular point I referred to in the quote was how somehow 'having a bad day' is an excuse.
Unlike you, he is a very direct source.How is this for a tone deaf response?The shooting had nothing to do with race.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-19/atlanta-shootings-reveal-scourge-of-asian-hate-crimes-amid-covid/13258270QuoteThis week, shootings at three spas near the US city of Atlanta, Georgia left eight people dead. Six of those people were women of Asian descent.
The public did what it does best when incidents of violence form an unmistakable pattern.
They prayed for the victims, called for gun control and, most of all, sought answers on the perpetrator's motivation — any shred of detail that could help them understand whether it would happen again and whether, next time, it would happen to them.
This is how a 23-minute press conference became the subject of national outrage, the spark lifting a long-simmering conversation into a full-blown debate.
The 21-year-old man charged with murder told police he was suffering from a "sexual addiction" and had frequented the businesses he targeted.
"It's a temptation for him that he wanted to eliminate," a County Sheriff told reporters.
LIVE UPDATES: Read our blog for the latest news on the COVID-19 pandemic.
"It's still early on ... but the indicators right now are that it might not be [racially motivated]."
The Sheriff's spokesman explained the man's mindset as "pretty much fed up. He was at the end of his rope".
"Yesterday was a really bad day for him," the spokesman said.
"And this is what he did."
So the next time you have a bad day, apparently, shooting up a bunch of people is just a thing you can do
The loser should have pointed the gun to his own dick if he wanted to get rid of his temptations. And then because he's a dickhead, point the gun to the dick on his head and pull the trigger
And yet, even with shit like this happening, the repugnican party objects / votes against a bill condemning anti-Asian sentiment and hate. Fuck 'em.
The shooter told the entire world this.
The guy was a nut job.
Yeah, the shooter is such a reliable and non biased source of information ::) I'm sure Asian women in America can feel at ease that their country respects them ::)
However the particular point I referred to in the quote was how somehow 'having a bad day' is an excuse.
You, as your nom de plume states, are blind to the truth.
Having a bad day should be something with which you are highly familiar.
You choose to spread your bad day around in the only manner you are capable of doing.
I am going to give credence to any person with a gun willing to use it.Unlike you, he is a very direct source.How is this for a tone deaf response?The shooting had nothing to do with race.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-19/atlanta-shootings-reveal-scourge-of-asian-hate-crimes-amid-covid/13258270QuoteThis week, shootings at three spas near the US city of Atlanta, Georgia left eight people dead. Six of those people were women of Asian descent.
The public did what it does best when incidents of violence form an unmistakable pattern.
They prayed for the victims, called for gun control and, most of all, sought answers on the perpetrator's motivation — any shred of detail that could help them understand whether it would happen again and whether, next time, it would happen to them.
This is how a 23-minute press conference became the subject of national outrage, the spark lifting a long-simmering conversation into a full-blown debate.
The 21-year-old man charged with murder told police he was suffering from a "sexual addiction" and had frequented the businesses he targeted.
"It's a temptation for him that he wanted to eliminate," a County Sheriff told reporters.
LIVE UPDATES: Read our blog for the latest news on the COVID-19 pandemic.
"It's still early on ... but the indicators right now are that it might not be [racially motivated]."
The Sheriff's spokesman explained the man's mindset as "pretty much fed up. He was at the end of his rope".
"Yesterday was a really bad day for him," the spokesman said.
"And this is what he did."
So the next time you have a bad day, apparently, shooting up a bunch of people is just a thing you can do
The loser should have pointed the gun to his own dick if he wanted to get rid of his temptations. And then because he's a dickhead, point the gun to the dick on his head and pull the trigger
And yet, even with shit like this happening, the repugnican party objects / votes against a bill condemning anti-Asian sentiment and hate. Fuck 'em.
The shooter told the entire world this.
The guy was a nut job.
Yeah, the shooter is such a reliable and non biased source of information ::) I'm sure Asian women in America can feel at ease that their country respects them ::)
However the particular point I referred to in the quote was how somehow 'having a bad day' is an excuse.
You, as your nom de plume states, are blind to the truth.
Having a bad day should be something with which you are highly familiar.
You choose to spread your bad day around in the only manner you are capable of doing.
Yeah, keep giving credence to mass murdering evil pieces of human garbage. That sounds just like the guy you are. Whatever, troll. We know you dont give a fuck about anyone else but your own miserable POS existence. But maybe you yanks are so numb to mass murder you stopped giving a shit a long time ago. Just another day in the U.S of A.
What a shithole
I am going to give credence to any person with a gun willing to use it.Like this shooter
No one is justifying what the guy did.You already have ::)
The murders had nothing to do with race.
Just like the Chinese slaughter of millions over the centuries had nothing to with race, considering it was their own people.
The murders had nothing to do with race.How the hell would you know? You've read his mind now?
Didn't need to read his mind.The murders had nothing to do with race.How the hell would you know? You've read his mind now?
Anyone with a loaded weapon, having already discharged that weapon multiple times?I am going to give credence to any person with a gun willing to use it.Like this shooter
No one is justifying what the guy did.You already have ::)
"having a bad day" is just an excuse - and not one to justify. Not something you tell the community wanting answers as to why, how and what the hell happened.If you carefully read what you just wrote, you will see why credence is to be granted to an active shooter.
Credence means to lend truth or believeability. Someone murdering many people and then claim he's having a bad day - that's not a motive. That's not a reason. And frankly, I wouldn't be so eager to trust someone so mind fucked and disturbed. 'having a bad day' and leaving it at that (as you are happy to) dehumanises everyone whose life was lost.
You are such a terrible person whether you are just trolling or not that you will never understand. Your brain lacks the centre needed to understand or have compassion or empathy for others.
And you believe everything that a misogynistic homicidal maniac says now do you? A person you have just described as a "nutter"Didn't need to read his mind.The murders had nothing to do with race.How the hell would you know? You've read his mind now?
The police caught him and he told everyone what the shootings were about.
Why would he lie about his reason?And you believe everything that a misogynistic homicidal maniac says now do you? A person you have just described as a "nutter"Didn't need to read his mind.The murders had nothing to do with race.How the hell would you know? You've read his mind now?
The police caught him and he told everyone what the shootings were about.
Now the guy is a bastion of truth who's every word should be believed? ::)
When I have a bad day I do not go out and shoot people. Sometimes I am a bit short with internet weirdos, but I have managed not to murder them.Which is a good thing.
Why would he murder 8 people? You are trying to ascribe rational motivation to someone you just called a "nutter".Why would he lie about his reason?And you believe everything that a misogynistic homicidal maniac says now do you? A person you have just described as a "nutter"Didn't need to read his mind.The murders had nothing to do with race.How the hell would you know? You've read his mind now?
The police caught him and he told everyone what the shootings were about.
Now the guy is a bastion of truth who's every word should be believed? ::)
You, you have no clue what you are doing and wouldn't believe you for all the tea in China.What the hell are you on about?
When I have a bad day I do not go out and shoot people. Sometimes I am a bit short with internet weirdos, but I have managed not to murder them.Likely story. I'm gonna just go ahead and run that by Gotham OH WAIT I CAN'T. Hmm.............
When I have a bad day I do not go out and shoot people. Sometimes I am a bit short with internet weirdos, but I have managed not to murder them.Likely story. I'm gonna just go ahead and run that by Gotham OH WAIT I CAN'T. Hmm.............
For reasons I can't even figure out, I'm gonna toss an idea out here. One possibility, among countless others. It's entirely possible from what I've seen of this that race really isn't the motivating factor. I'm not going to speculate with words like probable, or likely, or anything like that. Just possible. If this person is really a sex addict, and he shot up this place that may or may not have catered to that addiction, the addiction itself could be the motivating factor instead of race, and if that particular massage parlor was staffed by people of any other race or races, it wouldn't have mattered.
I'm not saying I'm right about this. But I'm saying I think there's room for the possibility that this person murdered 8 people without it necessarily being related to race.
The names of the 8 people killed in Atlanta-area spa attacks Tuesday:
• Soon C. Park, age 74
• Hyun J. Grant, age 51
• Suncha Kim, age 69
• Yong A. Yue, age 63
• Delaina Ashley Yaun, age 33
• Paul Andre Michels, age 54
• Xiaojie Tan, age 49
• Daoyou Feng, age 44
Like I say, 'having a bad day' is not a motive and I don't think police should say it as some kind of reason this happened. It's shoddy investigation if that's where they are going to leave it.I'm not saying anything like that though. I agree with you about "having a bad day" not being a motive and that they shouldn't be going easy on him. I just think there's room here, however little it may be, for race not to necessarily be what this was about. That being said, I'm not going to be surprised if it turns out this guy has a track record of being racist towards Asian people.
It seems fine for the court of public opinion to charge anyone with an Islamic sounding name of terrorism whenever they murder people - but the moment a 'white guy' does something, it's 'oh hes having a bad day' or 'he had a mental breakdown/alcohol/drugs etc' or some other washing away the motive
Why would he lie about his reason?And you believe everything that a misogynistic homicidal maniac says now do you? A person you have just described as a "nutter"Didn't need to read his mind.The murders had nothing to do with race.How the hell would you know? You've read his mind now?
The police caught him and he told everyone what the shootings were about.
Now the guy is a bastion of truth who's every word should be believed? ::)
When people have a bad day and decide to shoot one or many people because of that, it is sheer madness and insanity that is at the heart of it.So he's not lying because he has nothing to lose, but he's also insane. You do know that someone who is insane can lie, right? Especially to themselves?
When I have a bad day I do not go out and shoot people. Sometimes I am a bit short with internet weirdos, but I have managed not to murder them.Likely story. I'm gonna just go ahead and run that by Gotham OH WAIT I CAN'T. Hmm.............
. . . it was a hate crime whether it was racially motivated or motivated due to the guy's sex addiction.
https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/books/story/2021-03-19/tracy-quan-dont-forget-the-atlanta-shooting-is-a-hate-crime-against-sex-workers
An interesting read from the perspective of an Asian American who also used to be a sex worker and who can see the possibility that this wasn't a crime committed because of race. Which, she is clear to state and I didn't but should have, shouldn't preclude it from still being considered a hate crime, because it was a hate crime whether it was racially motivated or motivated due to the guy's sex addiction.
https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/books/story/2021-03-19/tracy-quan-dont-forget-the-atlanta-shooting-is-a-hate-crime-against-sex-workers (https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/books/story/2021-03-19/tracy-quan-dont-forget-the-atlanta-shooting-is-a-hate-crime-against-sex-workers)
An interesting read from the perspective of an Asian American who also used to be a sex worker and who can see the possibility that this wasn't a crime committed because of race. Which, she is clear to state and I didn't but should have, shouldn't preclude it from still being considered a hate crime, because it was a hate crime whether it was racially motivated or motivated due to the guy's sex addiction.
If you ask Trump if he 'loves women' will he say 'no, I'm a sexist misogynist and have no respect for them'? Of course he won't. When he says he 'loves women' he may even believe it to be true but objectively is it?
This shooter... He may say it's his sex addiction but what is it about women he finds their life and value so disposable? So worthless he has zero issue in shooting them dead for his problem?
Another thing.... Surely the sex industry isn't limited to Asian women. Did he only target the ones that had Asian workers?
He may not think he's racist, but deep down he probably harbours a prejudice in the way he thinks Asians and/or women have little value. Racism and sexism is not limited to 'hate'
https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/books/story/2021-03-19/tracy-quan-dont-forget-the-atlanta-shooting-is-a-hate-crime-against-sex-workers (https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/books/story/2021-03-19/tracy-quan-dont-forget-the-atlanta-shooting-is-a-hate-crime-against-sex-workers)
An interesting read from the perspective of an Asian American who also used to be a sex worker and who can see the possibility that this wasn't a crime committed because of race. Which, she is clear to state and I didn't but should have, shouldn't preclude it from still being considered a hate crime, because it was a hate crime whether it was racially motivated or motivated due to the guy's sex addiction.
If you ask Trump if he 'loves women' will he say 'no, I'm a sexist misogynist and have no respect for them'? Of course he won't. When he says he 'loves women' he may even believe it to be true but objectively is it?
This shooter... He may say it's his sex addiction but what is it about women he finds their life and value so disposable? So worthless he has zero issue in shooting them dead for his problem?
Another thing.... Surely the sex industry isn't limited to Asian women. Did he only target the ones that had Asian workers?
He may not think he's racist, but deep down he probably harbours a prejudice in the way he thinks Asians and/or women have little value. Racism and sexism is not limited to 'hate'
Lucky thing we have some internet tard to tell us what other people think and feel.Otherwise we would be left to wait for facts.
https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/books/story/2021-03-19/tracy-quan-dont-forget-the-atlanta-shooting-is-a-hate-crime-against-sex-workers (https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/books/story/2021-03-19/tracy-quan-dont-forget-the-atlanta-shooting-is-a-hate-crime-against-sex-workers)
An interesting read from the perspective of an Asian American who also used to be a sex worker and who can see the possibility that this wasn't a crime committed because of race. Which, she is clear to state and I didn't but should have, shouldn't preclude it from still being considered a hate crime, because it was a hate crime whether it was racially motivated or motivated due to the guy's sex addiction.
If you ask Trump if he 'loves women' will he say 'no, I'm a sexist misogynist and have no respect for them'? Of course he won't. When he says he 'loves women' he may even believe it to be true but objectively is it?
This shooter... He may say it's his sex addiction but what is it about women he finds their life and value so disposable? So worthless he has zero issue in shooting them dead for his problem?
Another thing.... Surely the sex industry isn't limited to Asian women. Did he only target the ones that had Asian workers?
He may not think he's racist, but deep down he probably harbours a prejudice in the way he thinks Asians and/or women have little value. Racism and sexism is not limited to 'hate'
Lucky thing we have some internet tard to tell us what other people think and feel.Otherwise we would be left to wait for facts.
Lucky indeed
Some people are just happy to leave abhorrent crimes as 'just having a bad day, nothing more to see' ::)
I understand. It's scary for some people to wait hours for facts before passing judgment.You apparently have that special gene that allows you to bypass facts and evidence
that interfere with your predetermined opinion.
I envy you. I wish my brain had an idle speed. ;D
Understanding why some people behave or think the way they do can help us to learn and maybe reduce or prevent the likelihood it happens again
Why did this guy fall through the cracks? How did he come to be a 'sex addict'? What kind of shit does he follow that led him to believe murdering sex workers was an acceptable solution?
Or maybe you're right. It's all too hard. Just write it off as having 'just some guy having a bad day'
. . . it was a hate crime whether it was racially motivated or motivated due to the guy's sex addiction.
That is the lunacy of "hate crime".There is no end to the definition.
If a girl beats her boyfriend to death for having a side piece,is that a hate crime?
https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/books/story/2021-03-19/tracy-quan-dont-forget-the-atlanta-shooting-is-a-hate-crime-against-sex-workers
An interesting read from the perspective of an Asian American who also used to be a sex worker and who can see the possibility that this wasn't a crime committed because of race. Which, she is clear to state and I didn't but should have, shouldn't preclude it from still being considered a hate crime, because it was a hate crime whether it was racially motivated or motivated due to the guy's sex addiction.
If you ask Trump if he 'loves women' will he say 'no, I'm a sexist misogynist and have no respect for them'? Of course he won't. When he says he 'loves women' he may even believe it to be true but objectively is it?
This shooter... He may say it's his sex addiction but what is it about women he finds their life and value so disposable? So worthless he has zero issue in shooting them dead for his problem?
Another thing.... Surely the sex industry isn't limited to Asian women. Did he only target the ones that had Asian workers?
He may not think he's racist, but deep down he probably harbours a prejudice in the way he thinks Asians and/or women have little value. Racism and sexism is not limited to 'hate'
Another thing.... Surely the sex industry isn't limited to Asian women. Did he only target the ones that had Asian workers?I overlooked this part of your quote earlier, just noticed it when Lorddave replied. The illicit massage parlor industry in the US is primarily made up of Asian women workers.
Another thing.... Surely the sex industry isn't limited to Asian women. Did he only target the ones that had Asian workers?I overlooked this part of your quote earlier, just noticed it when Lorddave replied. The illicit massage parlor industry in the US is primarily made up of Asian women workers.
Everyone in New England that watches football or knows someone that watches football was hit over the head with the whole massage-parlor-and-brothel thing right before the last Superbowl the Patriots won. The team owner famously got busted leaving one of those places, and since it was getting headlines, there were naturally other stories that took a deeper dive into the human trafficking part of the story and how it disproportionately affects Asian women.Another thing.... Surely the sex industry isn't limited to Asian women. Did he only target the ones that had Asian workers?I overlooked this part of your quote earlier, just noticed it when Lorddave replied. The illicit massage parlor industry in the US is primarily made up of Asian women workers.
I haven't quite kept up with this particular incident since I've been unclear about whether this is a racist thing or a misogyny thing.
I also don't know if the news has been very forthright about Asian massage parlors. Here's how it is in Vegas. I assume it's similar elsewhere. In the part of town where all the Asian businesses are clustered there's a ridiculous amount of massage parlors, it's like convenience stores and Starbuck's in this part of town. It's an open secret that these places where prostitutes work. It's also assumed that a lot of them got there by human trafficking.
So depending on this guy's situation it is entirely possible that the easiest access he had to prostitutes were all Asian.
Colorado incident is seventh mass shooting in US in past 7 days
Monday's mass shooting at a supermarket in Boulder, Colorado, comes less than a week after eight people were killed in a series of attacks on spas in Atlanta.
The two incidents are likely to spur discussion about gun control legislation in the United States, where firearm deaths are tragically common. They are also among at least seven mass shootings in the past week across the US -- including three incidents on Saturday alone.
Atlanta, March 16: Eight people, including six Asian women, were killed when a White gunman stormed three spas, police said.
Stockton, California, March 17: Five people who were preparing a vigil in Stockton, in California's Central Valley, were shot in a drive-by shooting, the San Joaquin Sheriff's Department said. None had life-threatening injuries.
Gresham, Oregon, March 18: Four victims were taken to the hospital after a shooting in the city east of Portland, police said in an initial report on Twitter.
Houston, March 20: Five people were shot after a disturbance inside a club, according to police. One was in critical condition after being shot in the neck, the rest were in stable condition, according to CNN affiliate KPRC.
Dallas, March 20: Eight people were shot by an unknown assailant, one of whom died, according to police.
Philadelphia, March 20: One person was killed and another five were injured during a shooting at an illegal party, CNN affiliate KYW reported. "There were at least 150 people in there that fled and believed they had to flee for their lives,” Philadelphia Police Commissioner Danielle Outlaw said.
Boulder, Colorado, March 22: Ten people, including a Boulder police officer, were killed in a shooting at the King Soopers supermarket, according to police.
It's very quaint. Of course all we know is his name. Totally possible it isn't a radical Islam thing.
It's very quaint. Of course all we know is his name. Totally possible it isn't a radical Islam thing.
Apparently Facebook has scrubbed his profile.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/boulder-shooting-suspect-ahmad-al-aliwi-alissa-what-we-know
So far it doesn't look like a radical Islam thing. The guy just seems like a violent asshole.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/boulder-shooting-suspect-ahmad-al-aliwi-alissa-what-we-know
So far it doesn't look like a radical Islam thing. The guy just seems like a violent asshole.
They should have prosecuted him for assault when he beat another guy up when he was 18.
It seems fine for the court of public opinion to charge anyone with an Islamic sounding name of terrorism whenever they murder people - but the moment a 'white guy' does something, it's 'oh hes having a bad day' or 'he had a mental breakdown/alcohol/drugs etc' or some other washing away the motiveI wanted to re-examine this observation, which turns out to be just more foolishness from the king of foolishness, given the recent event in Colorado.
The initial reports from MSM on the Boulder, CO shooting all focused on the fact that police had led a guy, "who looked white," (CNN) out of the supermarket.
The initial reports from MSM on the Boulder, CO shooting all focused on the fact that police had led a guy, "who looked white," (CNN) out of the supermarket.
I wonder why they were so concerned with the shooters race?
The suspected gunman in the Boulder, Colorado mass shooting is a white guy. Seven reported dead!
Cue “mental issues,” “bad day,” “parking dispute,” or anything else other than what he most likely is - a white domestic terrorist.
I remember when the press used to focus on the important stuff, like whether the perpetrators played Doom, listened to Marilyn Manson or liked Quentin Tarantino.
I remember when the press used to focus on the important stuff, like whether the perpetrators played Doom, listened to Marilyn Manson or liked Quentin Tarantino.
I checked all three boxes. Am I a shooter? :(
At least five people are dead after what authorities are calling a "case of a mass shooting" at a home in York County, South Carolina.
The victims of the Wednesday evening shooting near Rock Hill included a doctor, his wife and their two grandchildren, the York County Sheriff's Office said in a tweet. The family was "very prominent and very well known" in the county, York County Sheriff spokesman Trent Faris said.
Police were called to the scene following reports of a shooting at 4:45 p.m.
"Dr. Robert Lesslie & his wife, Barbara Lesslie were both found in the home & died as a result of gunshot wounds, as well as their 2 grandchildren. James Lewis of Gastonia, was working at the home & died from gunshot wounds," the sheriff's office said.
The grandchildren were ages 5 and 9, according to the York County Coroner's Office.
That sucks.Indeed it does :(
ButShow me where I said that.
But
In terms of "mass"
Wiping a family off the face of the earth is on the same level as indescriminately killing at a mall school fair ground?
That sucks.Indeed it does :(QuoteButShow me where I said that.
But
In terms of "mass"
Wiping a family off the face of the earth is on the same level as indescriminately killing at a mall school fair ground?
That sucks.Indeed it does :(QuoteButShow me where I said that.
But
In terms of "mass"
Wiping a family off the face of the earth is on the same level as indescriminately killing at a mall school fair ground?
No
Not that you said it.
But is it a mass shootings?
They havent been personal.
At least five people are dead after what authorities are calling a "case of a mass shooting" at a home in York County, South Carolina.Seems it is being considered a mass shooting, yes.
A mass shooting is defined as three or more people being killed in an incident of gun violence.
Unfortunately, I think mass shootings will increase -- yes, somehow increase more than they already were in this whack country -- due to the strife caused by the COVID-19 pandemic. Lots of people are struggling and lots of people are scared and lots of people are pissed.
Frustration, fear, and anger are naturally going to lead to more shooting incidents...
Unfortunately, I think mass shootings will increase -- yes, somehow increase more than they already were in this whack country -- due to the strife caused by the COVID-19 pandemic. Lots of people are struggling and lots of people are scared and lots of people are pissed.
Frustration, fear, and anger are naturally going to lead to more shooting incidents...
BRYAN, Texas (KBTX) - Police confirm multiple people were shot during an incident Thursday afternoon at Kent Moore Cabinets in Bryan. The suspect in that shooting remains at large and an active manhunt is underway.
There is still an active police situation off FM 2818 at Stone City Drive as law enforcement responds to the scene. Sources tell KBTX that more than six people were injured, and several are in critical condition.
And again
https://www.kbtx.com/2021/04/08/active-police-situation-at-bryan-business/QuoteBRYAN, Texas (KBTX) - Police confirm multiple people were shot during an incident Thursday afternoon at Kent Moore Cabinets in Bryan. The suspect in that shooting remains at large and an active manhunt is underway.
There is still an active police situation off FM 2818 at Stone City Drive as law enforcement responds to the scene. Sources tell KBTX that more than six people were injured, and several are in critical condition.
Fucking shit, I wish people would stop doing this. It's going to start reflecting poorly on America sooner or later.
And again
https://www.kbtx.com/2021/04/08/active-police-situation-at-bryan-business/QuoteBRYAN, Texas (KBTX) - Police confirm multiple people were shot during an incident Thursday afternoon at Kent Moore Cabinets in Bryan. The suspect in that shooting remains at large and an active manhunt is underway.
There is still an active police situation off FM 2818 at Stone City Drive as law enforcement responds to the scene. Sources tell KBTX that more than six people were injured, and several are in critical condition.
Fucking shit, I wish people would stop doing this. It's going to start reflecting poorly on America sooner or later.
Start? Started long time ago. Mass shootings don't surprise foreigners... we just don't understand why nothing is done to stop it.
And of course, having lots of guns. You can't shoot someone no matter how angry you are if you're not holding a gun.
Start? Started long time ago. Mass shootings don't surprise foreigners... we just don't understand why nothing is done to stop it.I guess I should have used the green text trick.
And of course, having lots of guns. You can't shoot someone no matter how angry you are if you're not holding a gun.
I'm honestly indifferent towards gun ownership. I don't own a gun and I don't want to. I don't care if you do.
I'm very neutral about this one because I think it's a very, very complex issue that doesn't simply boil down to "guns = bad" or "muh freedoms!"
And of course, having lots of guns. You can't shoot someone no matter how angry you are if you're not holding a gun.
I'm honestly indifferent towards gun ownership. I don't own a gun and I don't want to. I don't care if you do.
I'm very neutral about this one because I think it's a very, very complex issue that doesn't simply boil down to "guns = bad" or "muh freedoms!"
Would you care if your neighbour was a crazy person and had lots of guns?
They're cool. I've never had any issues getting along with any of them.Probably for the best.
By that logic, we should ban cars, right? In societies with lots of cars like the U.S., there are a lot of car accidents..
Not to mention all the people that don't wear seatbelts, speed, drive intoxicated (i.e., alcohol, marijuana, etc.), etc.
Oh, and we should ban spoons while we're at it. They make people fat. ::)
Look, when I say I don't really care about gun ownership, I mean I really don't care. I want people to be able to own them though. People like you and me to whom it has never occurred to shoot someone shouldn't have to suffer the consequences of others' actions.
By that logic, we should ban cars, right? In societies with lots of cars like the U.S., there are a lot of car accidents.
Not to mention all the people that don't wear seatbelts, speed, drive intoxicated (i.e., alcohol, marijuana, etc.), etc.
Oh, and we should ban spoons while we're at it. They make people fat. ::)
Look, when I say I don't really care about gun ownership, I mean I really don't care. I want people to be able to own them though. People like you and me to whom it has never occurred to shoot someone shouldn't have to suffer the consequences of others' actions.
By that logic, we should ban cars, right? In societies with lots of cars like the U.S., there are a lot of car accidents.
Not to mention all the people that don't wear seatbelts, speed, drive intoxicated (i.e., alcohol, marijuana, etc.), etc.
Oh, and we should ban spoons while we're at it. They make people fat. ::)
Look, when I say I don't really care about gun ownership, I mean I really don't care. I want people to be able to own them though. People like you and me to whom it has never occurred to shoot someone shouldn't have to suffer the consequences of others' actions.
That argument is old.
One
Cars have extreme licensing and safety and regulation vs guns
So bring it on if you want to make them equal
Two
Cars aee dssigned for travel.
Dying is a side effect of improper use.
Guns are desgined to kill.
Firearms are regarded as a right though. Even though they really shouldn't be. Seriously, read the second amendment and the history behind it. It wasn't meant to give everyone the right to own a gun.
I never said we should ban cars. What I said was this...
"Countries with lots of cars have more pedestrian deaths too."
Then we should be devoting resources to monthly psych evals, all firings and breakups reported to fbi, and people with hisorty of dom violence and stalking not allowed to own.
I never said we should ban cars. What I said was this...
"Countries with lots of cars have more pedestrian deaths too."
Yes, and your logic very clearly implies that, in order to reduce potential incidents (e.g., pedestrian deaths), we should reduce the amount of cars.
But that doesn't really address the root issues of reckless driving, like improper testing, rampant alcoholism, etc.
Much like firearms -- reducing the amount of firearms in circulation does little to actually address the root issues of gun violence, like mental health issues.
You are correct. The 2nd Amendment was not written to give everyone the right to own a gun.By that logic, we should ban cars, right? In societies with lots of cars like the U.S., there are a lot of car accidents.
Not to mention all the people that don't wear seatbelts, speed, drive intoxicated (i.e., alcohol, marijuana, etc.), etc.
Oh, and we should ban spoons while we're at it. They make people fat. ::)
Look, when I say I don't really care about gun ownership, I mean I really don't care. I want people to be able to own them though. People like you and me to whom it has never occurred to shoot someone shouldn't have to suffer the consequences of others' actions.
Driving a car is a privilege, not a right. This privilege has to be earned and it can be revoked. They can also preemptively prevent you from driving a car for any number of reasons.
Firearms are regarded as a right though. Even though they really shouldn't be. Seriously, read the second amendment and the history behind it. It wasn't meant to give everyone the right to own a gun.
You are correct. The 2nd Amendment was not written to give everyone the right to own a gun.
It was written to prevent the government from taking that right away.
A person is naturally born with the ability to communicate and act in defense of themselves.
Those processes are natural.
What is unnatural is to attempt to restrict those natural processes.
I never said we should ban cars. What I said was this...
"Countries with lots of cars have more pedestrian deaths too."
Yes, and your logic very clearly implies that, in order to reduce potential incidents (e.g., pedestrian deaths), we should reduce the amount of cars.
Well that's obvious. How is it controversial to state that less things that cause death will cause less death? I'm not sure what you are arguing against here.
If your primary goal is to reduce deaths by cars, removing cars is the obvious solution. How could this not be the case?But that doesn't really address the root issues of reckless driving, like improper testing, rampant alcoholism, etc.
It actually would address the effects of all those issues, no cars means no more reckless driving, no more improper testing, no more deaths by drunk driving. No more accidental deaths. No more suicide by car.
Removing cars is the best way to reduce deaths by cars. Not that I am not sayign we should get rid of cars, I am saying that getting rid of cars would reduce car-related deaths. This isn't debatable.Much like firearms -- reducing the amount of firearms in circulation does little to actually address the root issues of gun violence, like mental health issues.
Removing guns certainly would address the issue of gun violence. How does one be violent with a gun if they don't have one?
Read what I'm saying. I am not claiming that removing guns is the only solution or the best solution or that we should start trying to confenscate them with home raids and take your guns from your cold dead hands. I'm simply saying that lots of guns leads to lots of gun deaths. Reducing the number of guns certainly is a part of the solution, and mental health issues and violence is another part.
Less guns means less death by guns. What is hard to understand here?
whooosh
A person is naturally born with the ability to communicate and act in defense of themselves.
Those processes are natural.
What is unnatural is to attempt to restrict those natural processes.
In the slave states, the militia was available for military operations, but its biggest function was to police the slaves.
According to Pennsylvania attorney Anthony Picadio, the Southern slave states would never have ratified the Second Amendment if it had been understood as creating an individual right to own firearms because of their fear of arming free blacks, hence the emphasis on the phrase "well regulated Militia", introducing the Second Amendment.
The case arose from the hotly-disputed 1872 Louisiana gubernatorial election and the subsequent Colfax massacre, in which dozens of black people and three white people were killed. Federal charges were brought against several white insurgents under the Enforcement Act of 1870, which prohibited two or more people from conspiring to deprive anyone of their constitutional rights. Charges included hindering the freedmen's First Amendment right to freely assemble and their Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms.
In his majority opinion, Chief Justice Morrison Waite overturned the convictions of the defendants, holding that the plaintiffs had to rely on state courts for protection. Waite ruled that neither the First Amendment nor the Second Amendment applied to the actions of state governments or to individuals. He further ruled that the Due Process Clause and the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment applied to the actions of state governments, but not to individuals. The decision left African Americans in the South at the mercy of increasingly hostile state governments dominated by white Democratic legislatures, and allowed groups such as the Ku Klux Klan to continue to use paramilitary force to suppress black voting.
The Mulford Act was a 1967 California bill that repealed a law allowing public carrying of loaded firearms. Named after Republican assemblyman Don Mulford, and signed into law by governor of California Ronald Reagan, the bill was crafted with the goal of disarming members of the Black Panther Party who were lawfully conducting armed patrols of Oakland neighborhoods, in what would later be termed copwatching.[1][2] They garnered national attention after Black Panthers members, bearing arms, marched upon the California State Capitol to protest the bill.[3][4][5]
now is not the time to politicize.
it's time to offer prayers and thoughts.
the senators and house don't have any mechanism to solve such complex issues
...
Communication and defense become more sophisticated as people mature, no question. Babies though act in defense, however ineffective, no doubt.A person is naturally born with the ability to communicate and act in defense of themselves.
Those processes are natural.
What is unnatural is to attempt to restrict those natural processes.
Guns aren't natural.
Also also: Humans stopped being natural sometime around the invention of fire. Cooking food isn't natural.
And while babies can communicate on a very very basic level "cry= something wrong" anything more complex must be taught. They sure as hell can't defend themselves tho. Not until they learn to.
So its more accurate to say "humans have the natural ability to learn".
And finally:
How does a gun defend you against say.... A missile? You are already defenseless. You can be killed without even being able to fire off a shot. What you want is to feel like you can fight someone as weak as you and win. What you want is to know that you could kill someone easily, assuming you had enough time. Its not about stopping tyrany. War has advanced too much for that. You just need to be able to stop your neighbor.
As i saidThe discussion isn't about freedom and technically freedom isn't free or the sense of being free.
Let me know.when YOUR freedoms are being taken away
The discussion isn't about freedom and technically freedom isn't free or the sense of being free.
It is the issue of natural actions/reactions and that is what is codified in what is called the Bill of Rights.
Natural processes of humanity. Infringement, by the government, upon those natural processes is taking place everyday of our lives.
No doubt.
As i saidThe discussion isn't about freedom and technically freedom isn't free or the sense of being free.
Let me know.when YOUR freedoms are being taken away
It is the issue of natural actions/reactions and that is what is codified in what is called the Bill of Rights.
Natural processes of humanity. Infringement, by the government, upon those natural processes is taking place everyday of our lives.
No doubt.
Let me know.when YOUR freedoms are being taken away
What policies?Let me know.when YOUR freedoms are being taken away
That's easy for me -- downsides of being gay.
But it's been getting a lot better in the last few years. Seriously, these younger people are really, really on their A-game when it comes to treating us like anyone else, which I greatly appreciate. If only the policies would keep up...
What policies?
There is a policy in Tennessee that has to do with gay people?What policies?
Just look to Tennessee (https://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/news/2021/04/12/lgbt-chamber-pritzker-conventions.html) right now.
There is a policy in Tennessee that has to do with gay people?What policies?
Just look to Tennessee (https://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/news/2021/04/12/lgbt-chamber-pritzker-conventions.html) right now.
ETA: I could not access the article you linked, so I looked it up elsewhere.
I fail to see how the laws regarding sexual harassment in the workplace do not already address all the issues regarding all of these complaints.
It simply seems to me people wanting deferential treatment, which equates to different treatment, which is antithetical to the entire concept of meritocracy at work.
Put simply, while at work, focus on the work at hand and not all the other crap which has no business at work in the first place.
a law Lee signed last month that requires athletes at public middle and high schools to play on the team that aligns with their sex as determined at birth. (Lee, in a statement, has said the law will "preserve women's athletics and ensure fair competition.")
Well, I see it has nothing to do with work.There is a policy in Tennessee that has to do with gay people?What policies?
Just look to Tennessee (https://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/news/2021/04/12/lgbt-chamber-pritzker-conventions.html) right now.
ETA: I could not access the article you linked, so I looked it up elsewhere.
I fail to see how the laws regarding sexual harassment in the workplace do not already address all the issues regarding all of these complaints.
It simply seems to me people wanting deferential treatment, which equates to different treatment, which is antithetical to the entire concept of meritocracy at work.
Put simply, while at work, focus on the work at hand and not all the other crap which has no business at work in the first place.
From the article -Quotea law Lee signed last month that requires athletes at public middle and high schools to play on the team that aligns with their sex as determined at birth. (Lee, in a statement, has said the law will "preserve women's athletics and ensure fair competition.")
It's got nothing to do with sexual orientation.
As i saidThe discussion isn't about freedom and technically freedom isn't free or the sense of being free.
Let me know.when YOUR freedoms are being taken away
It is the issue of natural actions/reactions and that is what is codified in what is called the Bill of Rights.
Natural processes of humanity. Infringement, by the government, upon those natural processes is taking place everyday of our lives.
No doubt.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
Unless youre blm let me know how yohr freedoms are being taken away
Americans are afraid. That's why they want guns. What are they afraid of?There's always the old Cold War theory of Mutually Assured Destruction.
You guessed it, .... drumroll .... other Americans with guns.
I can't see any way out of the loop.
now is not the time to politicize.
it's time to offer prayers and thoughts.
the senators and house don't have any mechanism to solve such complex issues
...
Never is the time according to some. Is there a counter somewhere that resets after every shooting? How long is the allocated thoughts and prayer time with no one getting shot before politicians can discuss what to do about it?
now is not the time to politicize.
it's time to offer prayers and thoughts.
the senators and house don't have any mechanism to solve such complex issues
...
Never is the time according to some. Is there a counter somewhere that resets after every shooting? How long is the allocated thoughts and prayer time with no one getting shot before politicians can discuss what to do about it?
One month. The correct amount of thoughts and prayer time is one month. Then we'll get right on it.
But as we've never had a month go by without a mass shooting...
I don't understand why everyone thinks the politicians should or would do something about gun violence. Politicians love gun violence. And bomb violence. And missile violence. And sexual violence.
So, somebody tells me I gotta shoot somebody, my first question is why? It has nothing to do with credentials or bona fides.I don't understand why everyone thinks the politicians should or would do something about gun violence. Politicians love gun violence. And bomb violence. And missile violence. And sexual violence.
Because we grant the government a monopoly on violence. It is literally their job to enforce that monopoly.
now is not the time to politicize.
it's time to offer prayers and thoughts.
the senators and house don't have any mechanism to solve such complex issues
...
Never is the time according to some. Is there a counter somewhere that resets after every shooting? How long is the allocated thoughts and prayer time with no one getting shot before politicians can discuss what to do about it?
One month. The correct amount of thoughts and prayer time is one month. Then we'll get right on it.
But as we've never had a month go by without a mass shooting...
What if you don’t think about it too much, as it is just a given, like you when the black guy is gunned down by police for having an air freshener in his car and you see “In the US” and just think of course.
And it is obvious that if there’s a god, that fucker doesn’t give a shit either? So prayer is wasted time crying to an unfeeling abyss/asshole.
Do I then get a free pass to politicise?
now is not the time to politicize.
it's time to offer prayers and thoughts.
the senators and house don't have any mechanism to solve such complex issues
...
Never is the time according to some. Is there a counter somewhere that resets after every shooting? How long is the allocated thoughts and prayer time with no one getting shot before politicians can discuss what to do about it?
One month. The correct amount of thoughts and prayer time is one month. Then we'll get right on it.
But as we've never had a month go by without a mass shooting...
What if you don’t think about it too much, as it is just a given, like you when the black guy is gunned down by police for having an air freshener in his car and you see “In the US” and just think of course.
And it is obvious that if there’s a god, that fucker doesn’t give a shit either? So prayer is wasted time crying to an unfeeling abyss/asshole.
Do I then get a free pass to politicise?
Outrageous! I'll have you know that the US is the world leader in thoughts and prayers!
And this notion that no one hears yours prayers is just absurd. The NSA hears your prayers, especially if you own any smart home devices.
I don't understand why everyone thinks the politicians should or would do something about gun violence. Politicians love gun violence. And bomb violence. And missile violence. And sexual violence.
Because we grant the government a monopoly on violence. It is literally their job to enforce that monopoly.
So, somebody tells me I gotta shoot somebody, my first question is why? It has nothing to do with credentials or bona fides.I don't understand why everyone thinks the politicians should or would do something about gun violence. Politicians love gun violence. And bomb violence. And missile violence. And sexual violence.
Because we grant the government a monopoly on violence. It is literally their job to enforce that monopoly.
I am aware of the concept to which you refer. That concept doesn't eliminate my approach. In fact, in solidifies it.So, somebody tells me I gotta shoot somebody, my first question is why? It has nothing to do with credentials or bona fides.I don't understand why everyone thinks the politicians should or would do something about gun violence. Politicians love gun violence. And bomb violence. And missile violence. And sexual violence.
Because we grant the government a monopoly on violence. It is literally their job to enforce that monopoly.
That's your takeaway from that statement?
Here's some light reading when you get time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly_on_violence
who could have seen it coming? I'm totally surprised that the us got another mass shooting!
See, this time it was you that forgot to use the green text trick ;)who could have seen it coming? I'm totally surprised that the us got another mass shooting!
I strongly believe that every American has the right to own enough guns to murder their fellow citizens in an efficient manner. It's in the Constitution! It's a fundamental liberty that needs to be defended at any cost. Freedom is the cornerstone of the USA. Freedom comes at a cost and there are enough red blooded Patriots ready to sacrifice themselves, to pay the ultimate price for right to murder and be murdered . god bless America!
The suspect was taken to a hospital and later pronounced dead. McManus said the gunman had a history of interactions with the police department and possible mental illness.
Very sad and depressing, all this suffering.
Short bursts of anger where people snap is a societal issue.
One which no gun control measures enacted virtually anywhere have ever resolved.
You take away peoples guns you just make them allthemore controllable and malleable by government. Consequentially those who fall through the cracks in any society due to mental illness just find other ways to slaughter people. And there is always the black market, which will always exist. In Europe especially there is a thriving illegal gun market that has been getting larger increasingly.
Gun control only affects law abiding citizens, not criminals. You also will no longer be able to regulate the market.
I’m not excusing mass shootings/murders, but these happen in every other country too.
Very sad and depressing, all this suffering.
Short bursts of anger where people snap is a societal issue.
One which no gun control measures enacted virtually anywhere have ever resolved.
You take away peoples guns you just make them allthemore controllable and malleable by government. Consequentially those who fall through the cracks in any society due to mental illness just find other ways to slaughter people. And there is always the black market, which will always exist. In Europe especially there is a thriving illegal gun market that has been getting larger increasingly.
Gun control only affects law abiding citizens, not criminals. You also will no longer be able to regulate the market.
I’m not excusing mass shootings/murders, but these happen in every other country too.
I’m not excusing mass shootings/murders, but these happen in every other country too.Not really. The last school shooting in the UK was in 1996. I say last, it might well be "only".
Gun control only affects law abiding citizens, not criminals. You also will no longer be able to regulate the market.You're a Brit aren't you? Are you saying you'd advocate for mass gun ownership in the UK?
Very sad and depressing, all this suffering.
Short bursts of anger where people snap is a societal issue.
One which no gun control measures enacted virtually anywhere have ever resolved.
You take away peoples guns you just make them allthemore controllable and malleable by government. Consequentially those who fall through the cracks in any society due to mental illness just find other ways to slaughter people. And there is always the black market, which will always exist. In Europe especially there is a thriving illegal gun market that has been getting larger increasingly.
Gun control only affects law abiding citizens, not criminals. You also will no longer be able to regulate the market.
I’m not excusing mass shootings/murders, but these happen in every other country too.
I hate that whole "black market exists" BS.
1. Where the hell is the black market? How would I get a gun/drugs/children on it?
2. Where does their supply come from?
Answers:
1. Most people don't know. So if I snap, I have no idea how to find an illegal gun that someone will sell. I'd google it, which is what police/fbi/local agencies do. So not that helpful. What most people do is either legally buy one or steal from someone they know has a gun.
2. Some are smuggled in, sure, but most are from LEGAL OWNERS. Especially in the US. Buying for your "friend". Selling in a gunshop for "extra". Or just breaking into someone's house and stealing their guns. The majority of guns come from people who had one legally and sold it, had it stolen, or was allowed to purchase it.
And Mexico? American guns get smuggled south, fyi. If America had less guns, less guns would go to Mexico, making it safer.
What, do you think there's big factories all making guns for a black market on b-bay.com?
Gun control only affects law abiding citizens, not criminals. You also will no longer be able to regulate the market.
I’m not excusing mass shootings/murders, but these happen in every other country too.
Authorities pleaded Sunday for help in locating a suspect who opened fire at a Kenosha County tavern in a confrontation that left three people dead and two people seriously injured.
Worst in recent memeory was norway and the french mohammed newspaper.
Also
Many of those eruo countries have similar military and hunting cultures as usa.
So theyre gun familiar.
But muchmuchmuuuuuch better social prograns.
Worst in recent memeory was norway and the french mohammed newspaper.
Also
Many of those eruo countries have similar military and hunting cultures as usa.
So theyre gun familiar.
But muchmuchmuuuuuch better social prograns.
Gun culture in many European countries is the reason for so few gun deaths.
Imagine living in a country where handguns are simply banned. Where you can own a hunting rifle and shotgun, but you have to store them at the police station and check them out when you want to use them.
A bit less convenient but no worries about them being stolen or your kid or your friends kids finding them and shooting someone by accident.
And if you storm into the police station mumbling about how your wife is a cheatin whore and demand your shotgun, yeah. Good luck with that.
Compared to the USA where you can just avoid every gun law on the books and buy one from a gun show and keep it loaded and stuffed in your pants in many states so you can pull it out and shoot that guy who looked at you funny. And people wonder why the US has so many shootings.
Hint. It's all the guns.
What American Freedom looks like
(https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/sites/default/files/charts-and-maps/framed/14c00d51-0b8d-4dd6-a71e-0caa61f54155.png?ts=1618833600)
https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/
No thanks ::)
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (AP) — A gunman opened fire at a birthday party in Colorado, slaying six adults before killing himself Sunday, police said.
The shooting happened just after midnight in a mobile home park on the east side of Colorado Springs, police said.
Officers arrived at a trailer to find six dead adults and a man with serious injuries who died later at a hospital, the Colorado Springs Gazette reported.
The suspected shooter was the boyfriend of a female victim at the party attended by friends, family and children. He walked inside and opened fire before shooting himself, police said. Children at the attack weren’t hurt and were placed with relatives.
So glad Australia doesn't have some shitty bill of rights.
this map is silly and anytime someone uses it it matches teh population density of the usa.
this one is more applicable (disclaimer, i have not vetted any of these maps...)
ownership:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0d/World_map_of_civilian_gun_ownership_-_2nd_color_scheme.svg
violence:
http://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/assets/4594341/gun_ownership_map.jpg
Steps you need to take to legally obtain a handgun
The sport of competitive handgun shooting exists only within a framework of police-approved clubs, which coordinate events on police-approved ranges across the nation. Gun laws are a state-based issue, so each of the scenarios that control the pistol shooting sports may vary slightly, but in essence the following may be taken as the general rule across our nation.
The Prime Minister announced an agreement between states and the Federal Government on December 6, 2002, which covered 28 resolutions tightening handgun controls for the legitimate sporting shooter. A person should attend at a club and make it known that they are interested in joining. The details of clubs can usually be located within firearm publications or by searching the internet. The person then has to undertake formalised safety training in the safe use of firearms. In some states this is done within the club framework or the course is completed in an external agency. The safety training is a mandated requirement for police to start the licence issue process. Some states state in legislation that safety training is to be undertaken, whilst others regulate that the registrar may require completion of a satisfactory course before issuing a licence.
The candidate then must complete six months probation within the club, during which time they are not allowed to purchase a handgun. Ongoing instruction about the club rules and firearm safety occurs within this time frame, after which the person may then, with club consent, apply to the registrar of firearms for a handgun licence.
Recent changes to firearm laws as a result of the COAG December 2006 agreement now restricts the new member to an initial purchase of a small calibre target pistol. The applicant must also have applied for and been granted a firearm licence, which is dependent upon a nation-wide criminal record check, looking for a history of violence, warrants and domestic violence orders. The applicant must also submit proof of successfully completing the firearms safety training course at the time of licence application.
Once the person receives a firearm licence with personal photograph attached, they can then attend at a licenced firearm dealer and select a handgun which is suitable for the competition in which they intend to take part. This firearm may be a single-shot air pistol, a single-shot .22-calibre pistol or a .22-calibre revolver or self-loading pistol.
When the details of the selected firearm are known, they are submitted back to the police on an Approval to Purchase form, which is checked by police as to the correct details of the firearm, the current owner (seller) and that the person submitting the approval request is, in fact, in possession of a current firearm licence.
The applicant has to wait 28 days for this process to take place. If the police approve the purchase, the applicant is notified in writing and they can then collect the handgun from the dealer upon producing their current photographic firearm licence and the Approval to Purchase form approved by the police.
The applicant then has 14 days to take the firearm to the nearest police station to where they live and register the firearm in their own name. (This is a SA policy and may vary in different states.) After payment of the fee, the applicant can then only use the handgun at an approved range for an approved event within the approved club. This means that the handgun cannot be used for any other purpose other than target shooting at the pistol club. Breaching this purpose of use will result in punishment as defined by the Act.
The club member must attend at least four to six club events a year to retain club membership and endorsement for a handgun category of their firearm licence. The clubs are bound to advise the registry if a member has not completed those events.
The handgun owner is under a legal requirement to store the firearm under security arrangements defined under the Act and regulations. Gun safes usually cost about $400 to $800.
If the club member wishes to purchase another handgun, then they must go through the same process of approval to purchase, club endorsement, registration and secure storage regime. If the club member wishes to sell a handgun, then it can only be sold to another licenced person (after the purchaser obtains an approval to purchase) or to a licenced firearm dealer.
So glad Australia doesn't have some shitty bill of rights.
Are you in Oz?
So glad Australia doesn't have some shitty bill of rights.
Are you in Oz?
Yep. In the land of Oz. :) No wizards though
So glad Australia doesn't have some shitty bill of rights.
Are you in Oz?
Yep. In the land of Oz. :) No wizards though
We missed our annual trip to the Northern Beaches this year due to COVID.
In America it's as simple as saying 'I want one'.This is bullshit.
In America it's as simple as saying 'I want one'.This is bullshit.
There are plenty of places offering guns and ammunition for sale.In America it's as simple as saying 'I want one'.This is bullshit.
https://www.armslist.com/
There are plenty of places offering guns and ammunition for sale.In America it's as simple as saying 'I want one'.This is bullshit.
https://www.armslist.com/
What is your point?
For clarity, my point is your point (that it is easier to obtain a gun in the US than other places) is pure bullshit.
So glad Australia doesn't have some shitty bill of rights.
Are you in Oz?
Yep. In the land of Oz. :) No wizards though
We missed our annual trip to the Northern Beaches this year due to COVID.
Our 'Great Leader' Scott Morrison has not only forbid Australians from leaving the country and in some cases, forbid them to return, but barred any visitor (except maybe some new Zealanders) from coming here 'indefinitely' (his words)
Might as well be in North Korea >:(
People will still vote for this Muppet so things won't change for the better
So glad Australia doesn't have some shitty bill of rights.
Are you in Oz?
Yep. In the land of Oz. :) No wizards though
We missed our annual trip to the Northern Beaches this year due to COVID.
Our 'Great Leader' Scott Morrison has not only forbid Australians from leaving the country and in some cases, forbid them to return, but barred any visitor (except maybe some new Zealanders) from coming here 'indefinitely' (his words)
Might as well be in North Korea >:(
People will still vote for this Muppet so things won't change for the better
We have a granddaughter we've never seen, and she'll be a year in June. We're just hoping we'll be allowed in by year end.
Up to 11 people including eight children have died after a school shooting in Russia.
Two unidentified attackers opened fire at the high school in Kazan on Tuesday.
“Eight schoolchildren and a teacher were killed,” a source told the Interfax news agency.
Reports from Russian media later suggested up to 11 people had been killed, with the majority of the victims children.
Photos from the scene show people outside the school with dozens of police vehicles and fire engines nearby.
One attacker, a 17-year-old, was arrested, and a second was killed, officials said on Tuesday.
There are alot of shootings in oregon and they are getting stupider and stupider.
Man kills brothers wife over laundry dispute.
I need to go back to korea.There are alot of shootings in oregon and they are getting stupider and stupider.
Man kills brothers wife over laundry dispute.
This is how Americans solve their disputes. It seems unorthodox and counter productive but they made a whole culture out of it
Police are asking for the public's help in finding whoever opened fire at a Florida club Sunday, killing at least two people and wounding at least 20 more, Miami-Dade police director Alfredo Ramirez III said.
Shortly after midnight, a white Nissan Pathfinder pulled up to the El Mula Banquet Hall near Hialeah.
That's when three people "stepped out of the vehicle with assault rifles and handguns and started firing indiscriminately into the crowd," Ramirez said.
2nd amendment strikes again
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/05/30/us/florida-shooting/index.htmlQuotePolice are asking for the public's help in finding whoever opened fire at a Florida club Sunday, killing at least two people and wounding at least 20 more, Miami-Dade police director Alfredo Ramirez III said.
Shortly after midnight, a white Nissan Pathfinder pulled up to the El Mula Banquet Hall near Hialeah.
That's when three people "stepped out of the vehicle with assault rifles and handguns and started firing indiscriminately into the crowd," Ramirez said.
If only there was something in the constitution that allowed for people to own and carry a gun to defend themselves against attacks like this ::)
Six people left dead including suspect
Police are continuing to investigate the circumstances of a shooting in Keyham, Plymouth on Thursday evening which has left six people dead.
Police were called shortly 6.11pm on Thursday after shots were reported as being fired in the Biddick Drive area of the city.
Firearms officers attended and one woman, two men and a young girl, as well as the offender were all found deceased in the area.
The offender was reported deceased at 6.23pm.
An injured woman also died later at Derriford Hospital.
Those deceased were a 51-year-old woman who was known to the offender, a three year-old girl and a related 43-year-old man, a 59-year-old man and a 66-year-old woman who died later in hospital.
The 22-year-old offender who took his own life at the scene is believed to be 22-year-old Jake Davison who lives locally.
Two other people, a 53-year-old woman and a 33-year-old man who were known to each other, were injured at the scene and continue to be treated in hospital. Neither are seriously injured.
https://www.devon-cornwall.police.uk/News/NewsArticle.aspx?QuoteSix people left dead including suspect
Police are continuing to investigate the circumstances of a shooting in Keyham, Plymouth on Thursday evening which has left six people dead.
Police were called shortly 6.11pm on Thursday after shots were reported as being fired in the Biddick Drive area of the city.
Firearms officers attended and one woman, two men and a young girl, as well as the offender were all found deceased in the area.
The offender was reported deceased at 6.23pm.
An injured woman also died later at Derriford Hospital.
Those deceased were a 51-year-old woman who was known to the offender, a three year-old girl and a related 43-year-old man, a 59-year-old man and a 66-year-old woman who died later in hospital.
The 22-year-old offender who took his own life at the scene is believed to be 22-year-old Jake Davison who lives locally.
Two other people, a 53-year-old woman and a 33-year-old man who were known to each other, were injured at the scene and continue to be treated in hospital. Neither are seriously injured.
I'm always surprised when something like this happens outside the US!
I'm always surprised when something like this happens outside the US!Because it is surprising, the last one like this here was 11yrs ago.
Aha! Proof that gun bans don't work!
I'm always surprised when something like this happens outside the US!Because it is surprising, the last one like this here was 11yrs ago.Aha! Proof that gun bans don't work!
Or maybe they do work.
I had a backandforth with some gun nut on youtube where his best defense was the same arguemnt that "usa gun laws dont work because guns happen in other countries"
His best examples were the frnech newspaper hebdo (funded by hezbollah) and a Nice truck attack (thats right, truck) and the norway attack (racist loner).
And still failed to provide examples of frequency which was the main question to him.
I'm always surprised when something like this happens outside the US!Because it is surprising, the last one like this here was 11yrs ago.Aha! Proof that gun bans don't work!
Or maybe they do work.
Nope. I'm equating one shooting in 11 years to 255 massing shootings in the same amount of time in the US as if they're comparable.
2nd Amendment FTW!
Court upholds death sentence for church shooter Dylann Roof
By MEG KINNARD and DENISE LAVOIE
RICHMOND, Va. (AP) — A federal appeals court Wednesday upheld Dylann Roof’s conviction and death sentence for the 2015 racist slayings of nine members of a Black South Carolina congregation, saying the legal record cannot even capture the “full horror” of what he did.
A unanimous three-judge panel of the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Richmond rejected arguments that the young white man should have been ruled incompetent to stand trial in the shootings at Mother Emanuel AME Church in Charleston.
https://apnews.com/article/religion-389bcc56019f268cb1056e37a517bd6cQuoteCourt upholds death sentence for church shooter Dylann Roof
By MEG KINNARD and DENISE LAVOIE
RICHMOND, Va. (AP) — A federal appeals court Wednesday upheld Dylann Roof’s conviction and death sentence for the 2015 racist slayings of nine members of a Black South Carolina congregation, saying the legal record cannot even capture the “full horror” of what he did.
A unanimous three-judge panel of the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Richmond rejected arguments that the young white man should have been ruled incompetent to stand trial in the shootings at Mother Emanuel AME Church in Charleston.
I didn't want to start a new thread.
For now, we will see if they uphold it for the next 25 years and countless number of appeals he will undoubtedly file.https://apnews.com/article/religion-389bcc56019f268cb1056e37a517bd6cQuoteCourt upholds death sentence for church shooter Dylann Roof
By MEG KINNARD and DENISE LAVOIE
RICHMOND, Va. (AP) — A federal appeals court Wednesday upheld Dylann Roof’s conviction and death sentence for the 2015 racist slayings of nine members of a Black South Carolina congregation, saying the legal record cannot even capture the “full horror” of what he did.
A unanimous three-judge panel of the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Richmond rejected arguments that the young white man should have been ruled incompetent to stand trial in the shootings at Mother Emanuel AME Church in Charleston.
I didn't want to start a new thread.
Its always weird when a mass shooter survives, goes to trail, and tries to get out of the consequences. Like.. what did you think would happen?
I'm glad they upheld the death sentence.
texas active shooting
where are the good guys?
texas active shooting
where are the good guys?
This only goes to show us the dangers of CRT!!!
I tell you hhhhhwat.
Im gonna kick your ass.
LAKELAND, Fla. -- Two motorcycle gang members got into a shootout on a Florida interstate early Friday, leaving a woman riding with the instigator near death from a bullet to the head, authorities said.
Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd said Ronald Donovan and other members of the Sin City Deciples motorcycle gang were driving eastbound on Interstate 4 between Tampa and Orlando shortly after midnight when members of the Thug Riders passed them.
Judd said that offended Donovan, 38, who opened fire on the Thug Riders, hitting one in the back and causing a running gun battle at speeds of 100 mph (160 kph). The wounded rider, whose name was not released, returned fire, hitting Donovan's passenger in the head, Judd said. He said the woman, 33, is not expected to survive.
The Thug Rider and witnesses called 911. Judd said that when deputies arrived, they saw a motorcycle driving off from where the Sin City Deciples had parked. They found no guns or gang paraphernalia and believe the fleeing rider took those with him, Judd said.
He said Donovan refused to cooperate, but witnesses told investigators what happened. Bullet casings lined the highway, which was closed for several hours, he said.
Judd warned against the shooting leading to further violence between the gangs.
“We can expect the Sin City Deciples ... and the Thug Riders to get all dusted up and be mean mouthing each other on social media. Let me tell you, retaliation will get you all locked up,” he said.
A superior court in Connecticut granted a sweeping victory to the families of eight people killed in a 2012 mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., suing the far-right broadcaster and conspiracy theorist Alex Jones and his Infowars media outlet for defamation.
The judge in Connecticut ruled on Monday that because Mr. Jones refused to turn over documents ordered by the courts, including financial records, he was liable by default. The ruling combines with three previous rulings in Texas to grant the families of 10 Sandy Hook shooting victims four victories in four defamation lawsuits against Mr. Jones.
Mr. Jones for years spread bogus theories that the shooting that killed 20 first graders and six educators was a government-led plot to confiscate Americans’ firearms and that the victims’ families were “actors” in the scheme.
The Sandy Hook families maintain that Mr. Jones profited from spreading lies about their relatives’ murders. Mr. Jones has disputed that, while for years failing to produce sufficient records to bolster his claims.
Juries in both states will next decide how much Mr. Jones should pay the families in damages, atop court costs. Those trials are scheduled for next year in both states.
SACRAMENTO, Calif (AP) — Six people were killed and 10 injured in a mass shooting early Sunday as bars and nightclubs were closing in downtown Sacramento and police in California’s state capital were searching for at least one suspect.
Oh
But dont worry
Proud boys went to different schools earlier, dressed in cosplay tactical gear, to protect the kids from... crt and wokeness
At least 13 people were injured, including five believed to have been shot, in a gruesome attack in a Brooklyn subway station during Tuesday morning rush hour, officials and NYPD sources told The Post.
The bloody incident broke out around 8:30 a.m. at the 36th Street station in Sunset Park, where authorities discovered several undetonated devices, FDNY and police said.
Clair, a straphanger who witnessed the event while riding the Manhattan-bound N train, told The Post there were so many rounds fired off she “lost count.”
New York (CNN)The man suspected of shooting 10 people on a subway train in Brooklyn on Tuesday was arrested by patrol officers in New York's East Village neighborhood on Wednesday afternoon, officials said.
Frank James, 62, was arrested without incident at about 1:40 p.m. after police got a tip on its Crime Stoppers hotline, NYPD commissioner Keechant Sewell said. The arrest came hours after officials elevated him from a "person of interest" to a suspect in the shooting and less than a day after authorities launched a manhunt for his whereabouts.
"My fellow New Yorkers: We got him. We got him," Mayor Eric Adams said.
hurray
also
https://news.sky.com/story/new-york-subway-shooting-police-release-details-of-man-wanted-after-attack-12588989
the video in the news report i happened upon shows people "calmly" running out.
no alarms.
no police.
i find that very odd that there wasn't an alarm to clear the next station.
how can people escape the train if there's a bunch of people at the next station waiting to get on?
what?
my subway and busses have a yellow strip that you can slap to alarm the driver
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/15/us/politics/alex-jones-sandy-hook.html
Another far right, repugincan arsehole who thinks he's above the courts and doesn't need to listen. This guy really is a despicable piece of shit. Actually if shit could shit, he would be thatQuoteA superior court in Connecticut granted a sweeping victory to the families of eight people killed in a 2012 mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., suing the far-right broadcaster and conspiracy theorist Alex Jones and his Infowars media outlet for defamation.
The judge in Connecticut ruled on Monday that because Mr. Jones refused to turn over documents ordered by the courts, including financial records, he was liable by default. The ruling combines with three previous rulings in Texas to grant the families of 10 Sandy Hook shooting victims four victories in four defamation lawsuits against Mr. Jones.
Mr. Jones for years spread bogus theories that the shooting that killed 20 first graders and six educators was a government-led plot to confiscate Americans’ firearms and that the victims’ families were “actors” in the scheme.
The Sandy Hook families maintain that Mr. Jones profited from spreading lies about their relatives’ murders. Mr. Jones has disputed that, while for years failing to produce sufficient records to bolster his claims.
Juries in both states will next decide how much Mr. Jones should pay the families in damages, atop court costs. Those trials are scheduled for next year in both states.
Sucked in to the lying scumbag! 8) Maybe America is capable of upholding justice (at least sometimes) :)
The media outlet InfoWars filed for bankruptcy in Texas on Sunday in the face of mounting legal pressure over comments made by founder and host, conspiracy theorist Alex Jones.
Jones, who's repeatedly called the 2012 shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut a hoax, has been sued several times by the victims' family members and others for defamation and emotional distress. Twenty children and six educators were killed in the attack.
His comments and similar ones made by other InfoWars employees are the primary cause of the "financial distress" now facing InfoWars and its related holding companies, according to the chapter 11 bankruptcy filing in U.S. Bankruptcy Court in the Southern District of Texas.
InfoWars, which described itself in court records as a "conspiracy-oriented website and media company," said it had $50,000 or less in assets and between $1 million and $10 million in liabilities.
Jones, InfoWars and related holding companies have so far spent $10 million on legal fees and costs, the filing said.
Courts in Connecticut and Texas have found Jones liable in several defamation cases brought by Sandy Hook families and others, though damages have not been determined in either case.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/15/us/politics/alex-jones-sandy-hook.html
Another far right, repugincan arsehole who thinks he's above the courts and doesn't need to listen. This guy really is a despicable piece of shit. Actually if shit could shit, he would be thatQuoteA superior court in Connecticut granted a sweeping victory to the families of eight people killed in a 2012 mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., suing the far-right broadcaster and conspiracy theorist Alex Jones and his Infowars media outlet for defamation.
The judge in Connecticut ruled on Monday that because Mr. Jones refused to turn over documents ordered by the courts, including financial records, he was liable by default. The ruling combines with three previous rulings in Texas to grant the families of 10 Sandy Hook shooting victims four victories in four defamation lawsuits against Mr. Jones.
Mr. Jones for years spread bogus theories that the shooting that killed 20 first graders and six educators was a government-led plot to confiscate Americans’ firearms and that the victims’ families were “actors” in the scheme.
The Sandy Hook families maintain that Mr. Jones profited from spreading lies about their relatives’ murders. Mr. Jones has disputed that, while for years failing to produce sufficient records to bolster his claims.
Juries in both states will next decide how much Mr. Jones should pay the families in damages, atop court costs. Those trials are scheduled for next year in both states.
Sucked in to the lying scumbag! 8) Maybe America is capable of upholding justice (at least sometimes) :)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA 8)
https://www.npr.org/2022/04/18/1093297017/infowars-bankruptcy-alex-jones-sandy-hook-shooting-defamationQuoteThe media outlet InfoWars filed for bankruptcy in Texas on Sunday in the face of mounting legal pressure over comments made by founder and host, conspiracy theorist Alex Jones.
Jones, who's repeatedly called the 2012 shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut a hoax, has been sued several times by the victims' family members and others for defamation and emotional distress. Twenty children and six educators were killed in the attack.
His comments and similar ones made by other InfoWars employees are the primary cause of the "financial distress" now facing InfoWars and its related holding companies, according to the chapter 11 bankruptcy filing in U.S. Bankruptcy Court in the Southern District of Texas.
InfoWars, which described itself in court records as a "conspiracy-oriented website and media company," said it had $50,000 or less in assets and between $1 million and $10 million in liabilities.
Jones, InfoWars and related holding companies have so far spent $10 million on legal fees and costs, the filing said.
Courts in Connecticut and Texas have found Jones liable in several defamation cases brought by Sandy Hook families and others, though damages have not been determined in either case.
Sucked in! 8)
Fox presenters like Tucker promoting the "Great Replacement"
Fox presenters like Tucker promoting the "Great Replacement"
America's answer to Osama Bin Laden. Fuck that guy
At least 1 dead, 4 critically injured in Southern California church shooting, police say; suspect detained
hurray
also
https://news.sky.com/story/new-york-subway-shooting-police-release-details-of-man-wanted-after-attack-12588989
the video in the news report i happened upon shows people "calmly" running out.
no alarms.
no police.
i find that very odd that there wasn't an alarm to clear the next station.
how can people escape the train if there's a bunch of people at the next station waiting to get on?
There would be an alarm on the train to sigbal [sic] somethings [sic] wrong and people need to gtfo.
Youre [sic] a month behind and about 20 mass shootings behind
I'm just going to stop, just so I don't piss off our resident Dems.
There would be an alarm on the train to sigbal [sic] somethings [sic] wrong and people need to gtfo.
Yes, there should be an alarm that sounds off before some nut starts shooting. ::)
I'm just going to stop, just so I don't piss off our resident Dems.
As part of the Great Replacement Process, we are now taking auditions to recruit our Bullwinkle replacement.
Please form a line over at the Angry Ranting stand.
I'm just going to stop, just so I don't piss off our resident Dems.
As part of the Great Replacement Process, we are now taking auditions to recruit our Bullwinkle replacement.
Please form a line over at the Angry Ranting stand.
I take it America doesn’t have enough guns to make you all safe yet? Buy more, you’ll get there eventually.
The funny thing is (not amusing funny, but weird funny), the AR toting Rambo posse have this internal picture of themselves stepping up to the plate to save the day if the Libs, (insert favourite colour tag), Ruski’s/commies, Chinese or aliens come knocking for their rights, when in reality all an invader would need to do is cut communications after broadcasting a panicked good old boy shouting “They’re dressing up like us!” and leave it for a while.
The ingrained paranoia would do the rest. Those who didn’t bottle it would either die in embarrassing ricochet incidents shooting at reflections, wild shootouts with others of their ilk or just run out of ammo trying.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/texas-school-district-locked-down-on-reports-of-shooter/2022/05/24/3593dd02-db88-11ec-bc35-a91d0a94923b_story.html
fuck...
Apparently he shot his grandmother before he went to the school.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/texas-school-district-locked-down-on-reports-of-shooter/2022/05/24/3593dd02-db88-11ec-bc35-a91d0a94923b_story.html
fuck...
This is fucking insane.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/texas-school-district-locked-down-on-reports-of-shooter/2022/05/24/3593dd02-db88-11ec-bc35-a91d0a94923b_story.html
fuck...
This is fucking insane.
Absolutely fucking insane. What is going on, 2 mass shootings in like a week???
The guy in Buffalo was brainwashed by the great replacement theory.
Not enough information on this guy in Texas but it really seems similar to Sandy Hook.
The comments under the fox news coverage is disappointing and predictable.
The comments under the fox news coverage is disappointing and predictable.
Which channel?
They have so many.
The comments under the fox news coverage is disappointing and predictable.
Which channel?
They have so many.
Rumors are that he crashed his vehicle being chased by the police before running into the school? Sound to me like he might have been high on something?
Words fail! 27 school shootings this year, legislation paralyzed because sticking it to the other side is more important than kids lives, but freedom right, those little kids are going to have to suck it up and get a ballistic vest.
I just watched governor Abbot speak on this shooting. A very powerful and moving speech explaining to the people of Texas that he will do nothing and will actively prevent anything from being done to stop this in the future.
He did offer thoughts and prayers though.
I just watched governor Abbot speak on this shooting. A very powerful and moving speech explaining to the people of Texas that he will do nothing and will actively prevent anything from being done to stop this in the future.
He did offer thoughts and prayers though.
I wonder if theres correlation to drug use, drop out or other ptsd related impairments
300,000 is acrap ton of people
I wonder if theres correlation to drug use, drop out or other ptsd related impairments
300,000 is acrap ton of people
Good questions. Idk. But yeah, that's a shit-ton of kids.
I wonder if theres correlation to drug use, drop out or other ptsd related impairments
300,000 is acrap ton of people
Good questions. Idk. But yeah, that's a shit-ton of kids.
I can believe it. These shootings are impossible to conceal. Pretty much every parent in the US with children in elementary school has to explain this to them. We can't just ignore it. If we don't talk to our kids about what happened then someone else will. I think the chance of psychological harm from having to live with this is very high.
Perhaps a gun pride parade.
Perhaps a gun pride parade.
With only blacks.
"Blacks with Guns."
I wonder how that would go?
The grief-stricken husband of a fourth-grade teacher killed in the Uvalde, Texas, school massacre died of a heart attack just two days after the mass shooting, family said on Thursday.
Joe Garcia died in the aftermath of the Robb Elementary School shooting that killed 19 children and two teachers — including his wife of 24 years, Irma Garcia, her nephew said on Twitter.
“EXTREMELY heartbreaking and come with deep sorrow to say that my Tia Irma’s husband Joe Garcia has passed away due to grief,” the nephew said.
“i truly am at a loss for words for how we are all feeling, PLEASE PRAY FOR OUR FAMILY, God have mercy on us, this isn’t easy.”
“the pain doesn’t stop,” he added, minutes later.
Wonder what his problem was....
Canadian walking around with a rifle neaeby some schools (we have schools everywhere).
Cops shoot him..
https://news.google.com/articles/CBMiTmh0dHBzOi8vd3d3LmNiYy5jYS9uZXdzL2NhbmFkYS90b3JvbnRvL3Rvcm9udG8tdGRzYi1zY2hvb2xzLWxvY2tkb3duLTEuNjQ2Njg4MNIBIGh0dHBzOi8vd3d3LmNiYy5jYS9hbXAvMS42NDY2ODgw?hl=en-CA&gl=CA&ceid=CA%3Aen
Canada or texas?
Who in their right minds thinks its a good idea to put guns in the hands of toddlers... Oh wait...
I literally moved across the ocean so my son wouldn't have to risk dying in a shootout.Similar to the representative that literally got on his hands and knees to beg?
I literally moved across the ocean so my son wouldn't have to risk dying in a shootout.Similar to the representative that literally got on his hands and knees to beg?
Lying sack of crap.
The Supreme Court said that police have no legal obligation to protect people. Their #1 priority is their own safety, so they can and will just sit there and watch you die.
Putting police in schools is useless if they will just lock themselves in a room until the suspect runs out of ammo shooting everyone else first.
Now I'm hearing some theories that the gunman just ending up killing himself.
The Supreme Court said that police have no legal obligation to protect people. Their #1 priority is their own safety, so they can and will just sit there and watch you die.
Putting police in schools is useless if they will just lock themselves in a room until the suspect runs out of ammo shooting everyone else first.
Yeah I read that a while back. It always made me wonder what the hell is the point of these people then?
It would be like if a soldier refused to go into battle because thr enemy was shooting at them.
Now I'm hearing some theories that the gunman just ending up killing himself.
Interesting and kinda (sadly) funny, old video from Cracked. Apparently, cops aren't required to 'protect & serve':
Here's How Joe Losito Learned The Hard Way That The Police Won't Help You If You're Being Stabbed
Right now, it appears that it was a terrific thing these school kids were cut down. The police were obviously allowing it to happen, and despite the protests from the parents about not being allowed to go in and rescue their own children, while the police rescued only their own, it is good they died now, rather than be subjected to more asshattedness by idiots roaming this particular city and forum.What a wonderful representation of the modern day right wing Republican. Hoping children die rather than be exposed to someone else's views or politics. Ruled by fear and terror of anyone different.
Yes wsh is a pos.Wish/totallackey/Action69 doesn't have two brain cells to rub together. I mean, he probably thinks the flat earth conspiracy run by NASA is somehow responsible. It makes as much sense as anything that comes out of that dimwits mouth.
But anyone remeber when he was talking about chicago and guns and goodguys?
This is freaking texas.
Where were the guns at?
I was wondering who would be the first to bite on the really obvious troll post. You were odds on favourite. :PRight now, it appears that it was a terrific thing these school kids were cut down. The police were obviously allowing it to happen, and despite the protests from the parents about not being allowed to go in and rescue their own children, while the police rescued only their own, it is good they died now, rather than be subjected to more asshattedness by idiots roaming this particular city and forum.What a wonderful representation of the modern day right wing Republican. Hoping children die rather than be exposed to someone else's views or politics. Ruled by fear and terror of anyone different.
I don't care if this is the uppers, that is one of the most vile and disgusting things I've heard come out of your racist, homophobic, anti-democratic mouth.
Stay classy.
Well duh. When DON'T I bite? Besides, are there ANY posts on this site that are not troll posts? It's hard not to respond to them when it's pretty much everyone all the time. Who else do I talk to? :)I was wondering who would be the first to bite on the really obvious troll post. You were odds on favourite. :PRight now, it appears that it was a terrific thing these school kids were cut down. The police were obviously allowing it to happen, and despite the protests from the parents about not being allowed to go in and rescue their own children, while the police rescued only their own, it is good they died now, rather than be subjected to more asshattedness by idiots roaming this particular city and forum.What a wonderful representation of the modern day right wing Republican. Hoping children die rather than be exposed to someone else's views or politics. Ruled by fear and terror of anyone different.
I don't care if this is the uppers, that is one of the most vile and disgusting things I've heard come out of your racist, homophobic, anti-democratic mouth.
Stay classy.
There are thousands of posts on this site that aren't troll posts. Most of the posts in this thread aren't, either.
There are thousands of posts on this site that aren't troll posts. Most of the posts in this thread aren't, either.That's certainly one opinion.
How do we cure human activity?
Seriously, whining about stuff is just apathetic and lazy.
What is our solution to the problem?
Seriously, offer up a solution.
I think it is time to start putting crazy people in cages again.
Some people are fixable, we need to fund their recovery.
Others are beyond repair. Put them in a cage.
We don't have to tolerate the socially dangerous.
Here's another: your retarted.Was that one of the serious posts or a troll post? It's so hard to tell. I'm not even sure what my reply is anymore.
Australia solved it. It's not impossible.
A less heavy handed solution would be to approach it the same way we approach automotive safety.
How do we cure human activity?
Seriously, whining about stuff is just apathetic and lazy.
What is our solution to the problem?
Seriously, offer up a solution.
I think it is time to start putting crazy people in cages again.
Some people are fixable, we need to fund their recovery.
Others are beyond repair. Put them in a cage.
We don't have to tolerate the socially dangerous.
How do we cure human activity?
Seriously, whining about stuff is just apathetic and lazy.
What is our solution to the problem?
Seriously, offer up a solution.
I think it is time to start putting crazy people in cages again.
Some people are fixable, we need to fund their recovery.
Others are beyond repair. Put them in a cage.
We don't have to tolerate the socially dangerous.
Australia solved it. It's not impossible.
A less heavy handed solution would be to approach it the same way we approach automotive safety.
28 people die every day due to alcohol-related crashes.
Australia solved it. It's not impossible.
A less heavy handed solution would be to approach it the same way we approach automotive safety.
28 people die every day due to alcohol-related crashes.
WooHoooo, nobody gets murdered in Australia.
Australia solved it. It's not impossible.
Australia solved it. It's not impossible.
A less heavy handed solution would be to approach it the same way we approach automotive safety.
28 people die every day due to alcohol-related crashes.
I'm guessing you want to make a point?
Australia solved it. It's not impossible.
A less heavy handed solution would be to approach it the same way we approach automotive safety.
28 people die every day due to alcohol-related crashes.
More than 100 are shot dead each day in the USA.
How do we cure human activity?
Seriously, whining about stuff is just apathetic and lazy.
What is our solution to the problem?
Seriously, offer up a solution.
I think it is time to start putting crazy people in cages again.
Some people are fixable, we need to fund their recovery.
Others are beyond repair. Put them in a cage.
We don't have to tolerate the socially dangerous.
Australia solved it. It's not impossible.
A less heavy handed solution would be to approach it the same way we approach automotive safety.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/05/27/uvalde-shooting-police-gunman-shot-olivarez/
Oh. They didn't go inside because there was a gunman shooting at people and they could have been shot. WTF do they think their job is?
Apparently a bunch of parents were there. Some of them armed. The police prevented them from going inside.
So the situation is, if you're a parent and your kid is in a school getting shot up, not only will the police not do anything but they will prevent you from doing anything as well.
We don't have to tolerate the socially dangerous.You don't have to let them buy an AR-15 either.
Yeah... I agree. Every time I see those stupid flags with the thin blue line or yard signs saying "we support our police". It really bothers me.
18 year old kid in Texas:Don't forget you can't drink a beer but you can choose to lock yourself into a contract with the military for years so you can learn how to kill people and then be dumped back on the street when they are finished with you.
Kid: Can I get a beer please?
Barman: No fucking way, you're way to young to possibly handle a beer. Get out of here before you get me shut down.
Kid: Can I get an AR-15?
Gun shop: Certainly sir, how many clips would you like?
Insanity.
18 year old kid in Texas:
Kid: Can I get a beer please?
Barman: No fucking way, you're way to young to possibly handle a beer. Get out of here before you get me shut down.
Kid: Can I get an AR-15?
Gun shop: Certainly sir, how many clips would you like?
Insanity.
god bless the heroes who wait to act.
They get to go home after their shift.
Seriously, why risk your life when you're already a hero?
That's what happens when we toss around the word HERO.
18 year old kid in Texas:
Kid: Can I get a beer please?
Barman: No fucking way, you're way to young to possibly handle a beer. Get out of here before you get me shut down.
Kid: Can I get an AR-15?
Gun shop: Certainly sir, how many clips would you like?
Insanity.
I'll do you one better.
Terrorist: I'd like a plane ticket.
Airline: fuck off. You're on a no fly list.
Terrorist: I'd like a few AR 15s please.
Gunshot: of course. It's your constitutional right.
https://gothamist.com/news/after-texas-shooting-nyc-considers-locking-main-doors-at-public-schools
NYC schools are considering locking the school doors from the outside. I think this will probably make it difficult to escape if there's a fire.
A US woman has fatally shot a man who opened fire on a crowd of people with a semi-automatic rifle in Charleston, West Virginia.
Dennis Butler, a 37-year-old with an extensive criminal history, was killed after he targeted a group of around 40 people attending a birthday party.
Police spokesman Tony Hazelett said the woman's quick reaction saved lives and may have prevented a mass shooting.
It comes amid a national debate over guns after a school shooting in Texas.
Butler had driven by the area earlier on Wednesday evening when he was warned to slow down because children were playing.
He returned armed with an AR-15-type rifle and opened fire from his vehicle on the birthday-graduation party outside the apartment complex in the city.
Mr Hazelett told a news conference that the woman who fired back did not have any law enforcement background. She has not been identified.
"She's just a member of the community who was carrying her weapon lawfully," he said. "And instead of running from the threat she engaged with the threat and saved several lives."
The woman remained at the scene after the shooting, and is co-operating with investigators.
Charges will not be filed against her, police added.
Butler was found dead at the scene from multiple gunshot wounds, police said.
Mr Hazelett said it is not yet clear how Butler obtained the weapon - which he was not legally allowed to carry as a convicted felon.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61615236QuoteA US woman has fatally shot a man who opened fire on a crowd of people with a semi-automatic rifle in Charleston, West Virginia.
Dennis Butler, a 37-year-old with an extensive criminal history, was killed after he targeted a group of around 40 people attending a birthday party.
Police spokesman Tony Hazelett said the woman's quick reaction saved lives and may have prevented a mass shooting.
It comes amid a national debate over guns after a school shooting in Texas.
Butler had driven by the area earlier on Wednesday evening when he was warned to slow down because children were playing.
He returned armed with an AR-15-type rifle and opened fire from his vehicle on the birthday-graduation party outside the apartment complex in the city.
Mr Hazelett told a news conference that the woman who fired back did not have any law enforcement background. She has not been identified.
"She's just a member of the community who was carrying her weapon lawfully," he said. "And instead of running from the threat she engaged with the threat and saved several lives."
The woman remained at the scene after the shooting, and is co-operating with investigators.
Charges will not be filed against her, police added.
Butler was found dead at the scene from multiple gunshot wounds, police said.
Mr Hazelett said it is not yet clear how Butler obtained the weapon - which he was not legally allowed to carry as a convicted felon.
He fucked around and found out.
Butler had driven by the area earlier on Wednesday evening when he was warned to slow down because children were playing.
He returned armed with an AR-15-type rifle and opened fire from his vehicle on the birthday-graduation party outside the apartment complex in the city.
At least 26 people have died in shootings in a single weekend in the US.
The horror death toll - just six days after 21 innocent teachers and children were shot dead at a school in Uvalde, Texas - was reported following the Memorial Day public holiday weekend.
Dozens more were injured as yet another few days of sickening gun violence came and went in America - with shootings taking place in cities across the country.
Nineteen children were killed in the mass shooting at Robb Elementary School, as were two of their teachers.
But despite the carnage - and the bloodshed yet again this weekend - next to no action has been taken to limit access to guns in the wake of one of America’s darkest days in recent history.
Eight of the weekend’s victims died in Philadelphia, including an 18-month-old boy and a nine-year-old boy.
Another five were shot dead in Chicago, where 21 more people were injured in shootings.
School shooting in Chicago
Another mass shooting broke out near an elementary school, with five people hurt when a fight broke out and shots were fired near Daniel Webster School in Chicago.
All five were taken to hospital in a serious condition, including a 33-year-old man who was shot in the face.
Also in Chicago, a 33-year-old man standing on the pavement was shot in the head and body.
A 34-year-old was shot while sitting in a parked car, while two people standing near the car also suffered gunshot wounds.
A 16-year-old girl was shot in the back in another vile attack that saw her and four other young adults rushed to hospital in a serious condition.
A 56-year-old man was also shot in a drive-by shooting.
Boy, 9, shot dead in Philadelphia
A nine-year-old boy was shot dead - one of eight people to die in shootings in the city this weekend.
Three more youngsters - including a four-year-old boy, were injured in shootings.
A young man estimated to be under the age of 21 was shot dead on Sunday afternoon, while a 30-year-old man also died from multiple gunshot wounds on Saturday.
Another shooting claimed the life of another man, with two women also injured in that shooting.
Later that evening, a man died in another gun battle that also left a 25-year-old injured,
A 49-year-old man was shot dead on Sunday morning, and hours later a dad and his nine-year-old son were shot dead in a drive-by.
A 21-year-old woman and a 16-year-old girl were killed in another shooting in the city, while a 14-year-old girl was injured.
Baby dead in Pittsburgh drive-by
An 18-month-old baby boy was shot dead in a drive-by shooting that went horribly wrong in Pittsburgh.
Police believe the gunman was aiming for someone else in the car, but ended up killing the child.
Four dead in Maryland
Four people died in shootings in Maryland over the public holiday weekend.
A 17-year-old boy was killed in a shooting on the waterfront in Baltimore on Saturday, while a girl, 17, was injured.
Two men were killed in another shooting later that night, and a woman was shot dead separately the next morning.
Another teenage boy was gunned down on Sunday morning.
“I am sickened that this plague continues to grip our city,” Baltimore Mayor Brandon Scott said.
Graduation party shooting in Atlanta
One person died and two more were injured in a shooting at a packed graduation party with 200 guests in Atlanta, Georgia.
Akeem Ellison, 18, died in the shooting, while Elijuan Wright, 17, and a 15-year-old were airlifted to hospital.
No arrests have been made.
One dead in Memphis
One person was killed and six were injured in shootings in Memphis, Tennessee.
Police also haven’t located a suspect.
Nine-year-old shot in Oklahoma
Several people were shot at an event to mark Memorial Day in Taft, Oklahoma, with one person dying.
The youngest person shot was just nine years old.
Skyler Buckner handed himself into cops after an arrest warrant was issued on Sunday.
Highway gun battle in Nevada
Seven people were injured in a shooting on a highway in Nevada on Sunday morning, with two of them fighting for life.
No one has been arrested.
One dead in California
One adult died in a shooting that left three teenagers injured in Fresno, California, on Saturday night.
Police found the dying victim and two teenagers, aged 15 and 16, while responding to another call.
Another 16-year-old was also shot.
One of the teenagers is fighting for life in hospital, while the others are stable.
Nightclub murder in Florida
A reveller was killed in a nightclub shooting in Tampa on Sunday morning.
Gunshot broke out at the Blue Lounge Club in Tampa, where another person was killed three years ago.
Two dead in NYC
Two people were killed and five were injured in shootings across New York City on Sunday.
Donovan Davy, 45, died after being shot in the neck and leg in Brooklyn.
He was one of two people shot dead in Brooklyn over the weekend.
Another man was also shot in Queens, but survived.
Aquarium shooting in Chattanooga, Tennessee
Two people are fighting for life after six were shot near an aquarium in Chattanooga, Tennessee, on Saturday.
Several people opened fire in the mass shooting, police said.
Uvalde police, school district no longer cooperating with Texas probe of shooting: Sources
Texas officials are probing law enforcement's response to last week's massacre.
The Uvalde Police Department and the Uvalde Independent School District police force are no longer cooperating with the Texas Department of Public Safety's investigation into the massacre at Robb Elementary School and the state's review of the law enforcement response, multiple law enforcement sources tell ABC News.
The Uvalde police chief and a spokesperson for the Uvalde Independent School District did not immediately respond to requests for comment from ABC News.
According to sources, the decision to stop cooperating occurred soon after the director of DPS, Col. Steven McCraw, held a news conference Friday during which he said the delayed police entry into the classroom was "the wrong decision" and contrary to protocol.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/uvalde-police-school-district-longer-cooperating-texas-probe/story?id=85093405QuoteUvalde police, school district no longer cooperating with Texas probe of shooting: Sources
Texas officials are probing law enforcement's response to last week's massacre.
The Uvalde Police Department and the Uvalde Independent School District police force are no longer cooperating with the Texas Department of Public Safety's investigation into the massacre at Robb Elementary School and the state's review of the law enforcement response, multiple law enforcement sources tell ABC News.
The Uvalde police chief and a spokesperson for the Uvalde Independent School District did not immediately respond to requests for comment from ABC News.
According to sources, the decision to stop cooperating occurred soon after the director of DPS, Col. Steven McCraw, held a news conference Friday during which he said the delayed police entry into the classroom was "the wrong decision" and contrary to protocol.
I think McCraw hurt their feelings.
(https://content.api.news/v3/images/bin/7a4a9944d8be9743e585b0afc13a77b5)
BREAKING: Pete Arrendondo, the Uvalde police commander who told officers NOT to enter the classroom for 78 minutes while the gunman was still shooting and kids were bleeding out, was secretly sworn in tonight as a Uvalde City Council member.
No media — no messy press questions.
https://twitter.com/joncoopertweets/status/1531826827249037312?s=20&t=apVRcBeSU7a-F5b17X9dWwQuoteBREAKING: Pete Arrendondo, the Uvalde police commander who told officers NOT to enter the classroom for 78 minutes while the gunman was still shooting and kids were bleeding out, was secretly sworn in tonight as a Uvalde City Council member.
No media — no messy press questions.
Interesting.
Matthew McConaughey makes an impassioned plea for gun control.
The comment section is... Disappointing.
Matthew McConaughey makes an impassioned plea for gun control.
The comment section is... Disappointing.
He calls it "gun responsibility".
And oh yeah, holy shit, the comments are ruthless. It makes it look like the NRA paid a bunch of folks to bash away...
Matthew McConaughey makes an impassioned plea for gun control.
The comment section is... Disappointing.
He calls it "gun responsibility".
And oh yeah, holy shit, the comments are ruthless. It makes it look like the NRA paid a bunch of folks to bash away...
The strangest accusations is that he's acting. As if anybody wouldn't get emotional talking about a grade school shooting.
Mass shootings in schools seems to be America's favorite passtime, sending their children to school to get their brains blown out.
They did.
Seriously, I don't know why someone in America hasn't created a school mass shooting point of view online game? Mass shootings in schools seems to be America's favorite passtime, sending their children to school to get their brains blown out.
Factory shooitng in maryland
We need to harden these softtragets
Get better doors
Line workers need to start carrying
Thoughts andnprayers
https://news.google.com/articles/CBMifWh0dHBzOi8vd3d3Lm5iY3dhc2hpbmd0b24uY29tL25ld3MvbG9jYWwvbXVsdGlwbGUtcGVvcGxlLWtpbGxlZC1pbi1zaG9vdGluZy1hdC13YXNoaW5ndG9uLWNvdW50eS1tYW51ZmFjdHVyaW5nLXBsYW50LzMwNzM2MjEv0gGBAWh0dHBzOi8vd3d3Lm5iY3dhc2hpbmd0b24uY29tL25ld3MvbG9jYWwvbXVsdGlwbGUtcGVvcGxlLWtpbGxlZC1pbi1zaG9vdGluZy1hdC13YXNoaW5ndG9uLWNvdW50eS1tYW51ZmFjdHVyaW5nLXBsYW50LzMwNzM2MjEvP2FtcA?hl=en-CA&gl=CA&ceid=CA%3Aen
The sad part is, this isn't even news in America anymore. It's just the day to day life and accepted risk.
A bipartisan group of senators on Sunday announced an agreement had been reached -- though in principle only -- on new legislation meant to address the country's ongoing gun violence, including the recent Uvalde, Texas, elementary school shooting.
The deal, in the works for weeks, has the support of at least 10 Republicans in the Senate, which is the number needed to avoid a filibuster.
If passed, the proposal would be the first major gun law to make it through Congress in years.
Among other things, the agreement would provide funding for mental health (including behavioral health centers) and incentives for the creation of so-called "red flag" laws to remove firearms from people who are a danger to themselves or others; increase money for school safety; and strengthen the federal background check system as it relates to convicted domestic violence abusers or those with restraining orders.
Potential gun owners under 21 would also be subject to "an investigative period to review juvenile and mental health records, including checks with state databases and local law enforcement," the bipartisan group said Sunday.
It's true. But they're good guys. They'd probably give me a kidney if I asked. It's just this particular issue where we disagree.
Not quite as strong as I'd prefer. I would have liked to see the minimum age for buying any gun set to 21. But this bill has some good things in it. Particularly closing the boyfriend loophole.
Not quite as strong as I'd prefer. I would have liked to see the minimum age for buying any gun set to 21. But this bill has some good things in it. Particularly closing the boyfriend loophole.
I think you should be 32 to buy a gun. Seriously, that will fix everything.
Not quite as strong as I'd prefer. I would have liked to see the minimum age for buying any gun set to 21. But this bill has some good things in it. Particularly closing the boyfriend loophole.
I think you should be 32 to buy a gun. Seriously, that will fix everything.
Not quite as strong as I'd prefer. I would have liked to see the minimum age for buying any gun set to 21. But this bill has some good things in it. Particularly closing the boyfriend loophole.
I think you should be 32 to buy a gun. Seriously, that will fix everything.
no
you should be part of a well regulated militia if you want a gun for defense of the state.
and if you want a gun for fun, then you should be licensed, insured, registered, and periodically checked up on that the gun is still in your possession.
Not quite as strong as I'd prefer. I would have liked to see the minimum age for buying any gun set to 21. But this bill has some good things in it. Particularly closing the boyfriend loophole.
I think you should be 32 to buy a gun. Seriously, that will fix everything.
no
you should be part of a well regulated militia if you want a gun for defense of the state.
and if you want a gun for fun, then you should be licensed, insured, registered, and periodically checked up on that the gun is still in your possession.
Shall not be infringed. Self explanatory.
Regulated meant outfitted. Militia meant adult male.
A well regulated militia is every adult man with every weapon we have on hand.
It's just hilarious what your convoluted addled brain confuses with reality.
How about Ukraine? Luck thing they have guns and rockets, right?
Yep . . .
Not quite as strong as I'd prefer. I would have liked to see the minimum age for buying any gun set to 21. But this bill has some good things in it. Particularly closing the boyfriend loophole.
I think you should be 32 to buy a gun. Seriously, that will fix everything.
Going thr Australia route will fix everything. I'm trying to be practical.
Not quite as strong as I'd prefer. I would have liked to see the minimum age for buying any gun set to 21. But this bill has some good things in it. Particularly closing the boyfriend loophole.
I think you should be 32 to buy a gun. Seriously, that will fix everything.
no
you should be part of a well regulated militia if you want a gun for defense of the state.
and if you want a gun for fun, then you should be licensed, insured, registered, and periodically checked up on that the gun is still in your possession.
Militia meant adult male.
Militia meant adult male.Right. So why didn't they just say "men"? As that is the collective noun for adult males.
Militia meant adult male.Right. So why didn't they just say "men"? As that is the collective noun for adult males.
Do you use the word that way? If someone asks what that bar you went to was like do you go "Well, it was OK, not many women - just militia mainly"
last I checked, America isn't being invaded or have a civil war.
Not quite as strong as I'd prefer. I would have liked to see the minimum age for buying any gun set to 21. But this bill has some good things in it. Particularly closing the boyfriend loophole.
I think you should be 32 to buy a gun. Seriously, that will fix everything.
no
you should be part of a well regulated militia if you want a gun for defense of the state.
and if you want a gun for fun, then you should be licensed, insured, registered, and periodically checked up on that the gun is still in your possession.
Shall not be infringed. Self explanatory.
Regulated meant outfitted. Militia meant adult male.
A well regulated militia is every adult man with every weapon we have on hand.
It's just hilarious what your convoluted addled brain confuses with reality.
How about Ukraine? Luck thing they have guns and rockets, right?
Yep . . .
Not quite as strong as I'd prefer. I would have liked to see the minimum age for buying any gun set to 21. But this bill has some good things in it. Particularly closing the boyfriend loophole.
I think you should be 32 to buy a gun. Seriously, that will fix everything.
Going thr Australia route will fix everything. I'm trying to be practical.
Not quite as strong as I'd prefer. I would have liked to see the minimum age for buying any gun set to 21. But this bill has some good things in it. Particularly closing the boyfriend loophole.
I think you should be 32 to buy a gun. Seriously, that will fix everything.
Going thr Australia route will fix everything. I'm trying to be practical.
If you're trying to be practical, have a look at when Australia's last mass shooting was. So, yes, going the Australian route WILL fix everything.
Rayzor nails it with his post, also.
That's the difference between Australia and America. In Australia, all measures are put in place to keep guns out of maniacs hands. Americans seem to think it's a god given right for all people including maniacs, to have a loaded gun.
Not quite as strong as I'd prefer. I would have liked to see the minimum age for buying any gun set to 21. But this bill has some good things in it. Particularly closing the boyfriend loophole.
I think you should be 32 to buy a gun. Seriously, that will fix everything.
Going thr Australia route will fix everything. I'm trying to be practical.
If you're trying to be practical, have a look at when Australia's last mass shooting was. So, yes, going the Australian route WILL fix everything.
Rayzor nails it with his post, also.
That's the difference between Australia and America. In Australia, all measures are put in place to keep guns out of maniacs hands. Americans seem to think it's a god given right for all people including maniacs, to have a loaded gun.
You just illustrated why it's not practical to do here what was done in Australia. Half the population is so brainwashed by Fox News that they'll likely started murdering anyone they suspect wants to take their guns.
Not quite as strong as I'd prefer. I would have liked to see the minimum age for buying any gun set to 21. But this bill has some good things in it. Particularly closing the boyfriend loophole.
I think you should be 32 to buy a gun. Seriously, that will fix everything.
Going thr Australia route will fix everything. I'm trying to be practical.
If you're trying to be practical, have a look at when Australia's last mass shooting was. So, yes, going the Australian route WILL fix everything.
Rayzor nails it with his post, also.
That's the difference between Australia and America. In Australia, all measures are put in place to keep guns out of maniacs hands. Americans seem to think it's a god given right for all people including maniacs, to have a loaded gun.
You just illustrated why it's not practical to do here what was done in Australia. Half the population is so brainwashed by Fox News that they'll likely started murdering anyone they suspect wants to take their guns.
They're going to murder their Police departments, and their army when they instigate martial law, are they?
Pretty sure Americans would spill blood if they tried to impose the metric system. So yeah, I can believe they'd spill blood over being told to turn in even one of their guns
Several people have been killed in a shooting at a shopping centre in the Danish capital Copenhagen, police say.
Announcing the deaths, police chief Soeren Thomassen said a 22-year-old ethnic Dane" has been arrested in connection with the attack.
Mr Thomassen said the motive was unclear, but that he could not rule out an "act of terrorism".
Eyewitnesses have spoken of panic among shoppers as gunfire rang out inside the Field's mall in the south of the city.
Emilie Jeppesen told Jyllands-Posten newspaper: "You didn't know what was happening. Suddenly there was just chaos everywhere."
Another witness, Mahdi Al-Wazni, told TV2 that the shooter had carried a "hunting rifle".
Speaking at a news conference on Sunday evening, Mr Thomassen said it was too early to say how many people had been harmed in the attack.
But he told reporters that there was no indication that other shooters were involved and urged shop owners to preserve any video surveillance footage they may have.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62030919It means their family history is danish and they are not an immigrant who got citizenship or child of an immigrant.QuoteSeveral people have been killed in a shooting at a shopping centre in the Danish capital Copenhagen, police say.
Announcing the deaths, police chief Soeren Thomassen said a 22-year-old ethnic Dane" has been arrested in connection with the attack.
Mr Thomassen said the motive was unclear, but that he could not rule out an "act of terrorism".
Eyewitnesses have spoken of panic among shoppers as gunfire rang out inside the Field's mall in the south of the city.
Emilie Jeppesen told Jyllands-Posten newspaper: "You didn't know what was happening. Suddenly there was just chaos everywhere."
Another witness, Mahdi Al-Wazni, told TV2 that the shooter had carried a "hunting rifle".
Speaking at a news conference on Sunday evening, Mr Thomassen said it was too early to say how many people had been harmed in the attack.
But he told reporters that there was no indication that other shooters were involved and urged shop owners to preserve any video surveillance footage they may have.
What does "ethnic Dane" mean?
Who knows what is lost in translation. I think it is just the authorities at pains to point out this isn't an Islamic terrorist.That. Or just not a foriegner since denmark is part of the EU and thus travel/moving between nations is relatively easy.
https://gothamist.com/news/after-texas-shooting-nyc-considers-locking-main-doors-at-public-schoolsThe fact you do not even know how doors work should disqualify you from life, let alone leaving comments on a thread about anything.
NYC schools are considering locking the school doors from the outside. I think this will probably make it difficult to escape if there's a fire.
Its amazing to see the armchair warriors "if i was there idve ended it".Yes it is good to see them ending things right away.
VegasThe three you give come from "gun free" zones.
Buffalo mall
Highlandpark
You got 1.
Ah ok but i got 3.
I "win"
Its amazing to see the armchair warriors "if i was there idve ended it".Yes it is good to see them ending things right away.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwood_Park_Mall_shooting
VegasThe three you give come from "gun free" zones.
Buffalo mall
Highlandpark
You got 1.
Ah ok but i got 3.
I "win"
In other words, idiots like you, who do not care what words mean, ignore the words.
If you are going to ignore simple words, then you are likely to do other bad shit.
Plenty of other examples of people using firearms in defense of lives.
When guns are not restricted, people do use them in such a manner.
Active shooter attacks occur in places designated as "gun-free zones."Its amazing to see the armchair warriors "if i was there idve ended it".Yes it is good to see them ending things right away.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwood_Park_Mall_shooting
There were at least 433 active shooter attacks — in which one or more shooters killed or attempted to kill multiple unrelated people in a populated place — in the United States from 2000 to 2021. The country experienced an average of more than one a week in 2021 alone.
But armed bystanders shooting attackers was not common in the data — 22 cases out of 433. In 10 of those, the “good guy” was a security guard or an off-duty police officer.
“The actual data show that some of these kind of heroic, Hollywood moments of armed citizens taking out active shooters are just extraordinarily rare,” Mr. Lankford said.
Good guys with guns: 12 out of 433.
My hometown is not Chicago.VegasThe three you give come from "gun free" zones.
Buffalo mall
Highlandpark
You got 1.
Ah ok but i got 3.
I "win"
In other words, idiots like you, who do not care what words mean, ignore the words.
If you are going to ignore simple words, then you are likely to do other bad shit.
Plenty of other examples of people using firearms in defense of lives.
When guns are not restricted, people do use them in such a manner.
gun free zones?
buddy
vegas 490yards from a hotel room
let me know when a hand gun conceal carry can match that
highland
shooting from a roof.
very few people knew where the shots were coming from.
didn't know where to run.
fired three mags in about a min.
cops everywhere
no good guy got a shot off.
buffalo
armed guard shot the body armor.
hand gun failed to be powerful enough.
so now mall cops need to carrying higher capacity?
oh... wait
higher capacity means bullets can go through more things...
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/parents-girl-shot-dead-dressing-room-by-los-angeles-police-call-justice-2021-12-28/
so what was the argument again?
that there are more or less armchair quarterbacks?
or your argument has turned now to gun free zones?
classic gishgallop.
hey here's one from your supposed home town - chicago.
apparently plenty of guns there.
why would there be so many shootings if there are so many guns?
i could've sworn the common talking point was that criminals wouldn't dare draw on a civilian whom they know is potentially packing.
yet...criminals draw on people they know are defensive and packing.
funny...
Active shooter attacks occur in places designated as "gun-free zones."Its amazing to see the armchair warriors "if i was there idve ended it".Yes it is good to see them ending things right away.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwood_Park_Mall_shooting
There were at least 433 active shooter attacks — in which one or more shooters killed or attempted to kill multiple unrelated people in a populated place — in the United States from 2000 to 2021. The country experienced an average of more than one a week in 2021 alone.
But armed bystanders shooting attackers was not common in the data — 22 cases out of 433. In 10 of those, the “good guy” was a security guard or an off-duty police officer.
“The actual data show that some of these kind of heroic, Hollywood moments of armed citizens taking out active shooters are just extraordinarily rare,” Mr. Lankford said.
Good guys with guns: 12 out of 433.
Your stats are meaningless because they are skewed.
You really struggle with basic understanding, don't you?
Good guys obey the law.
Active shooters desiring to harm people do not operate where the odds of getting shot themselves are high.
YesDiscuss what?
Its the 1st of many expectdd gish as you cant defend the 22-433 statistic.
So now we re on to gun free zones.
And once again - chicago.
Criminals have guns.
They draw on others with guns.
My point - gun free zone is as meaningless as gun zone.
Feel free discuss.
You missed the pointNothing prevents death.
Lets try again.
How will a gun no-free zone prevent death?
^AI trying to peddle off a military base as an area where everyone can walk around armed if they like.Active shooter attacks occur in places designated as "gun-free zones."Its amazing to see the armchair warriors "if i was there idve ended it".Yes it is good to see them ending things right away.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwood_Park_Mall_shooting
There were at least 433 active shooter attacks — in which one or more shooters killed or attempted to kill multiple unrelated people in a populated place — in the United States from 2000 to 2021. The country experienced an average of more than one a week in 2021 alone.
But armed bystanders shooting attackers was not common in the data — 22 cases out of 433. In 10 of those, the “good guy” was a security guard or an off-duty police officer.
“The actual data show that some of these kind of heroic, Hollywood moments of armed citizens taking out active shooters are just extraordinarily rare,” Mr. Lankford said.
Good guys with guns: 12 out of 433.
Are you actually saying that all active shootings only ocurred in some sort of "gun free zone"?Your stats are meaningless because they are skewed.
Why don't you go ahead and explain how they are skewed rather than just claiming they are with zero foundation to support your claim.You really struggle with basic understanding, don't you?
Apparently not, considering you're making up something about gun free zones & skewed data.Good guys obey the law.
Active shooters desiring to harm people do not operate where the odds of getting shot themselves are high.
How would you know this? What are you basing this on?
From an FBI report regarding active shootings:
The 5 incidents that occurred on military property resulted in 27 killed and 43 wounded (including 5 law enforcement officers). The shooters ranged in age from 23 to 63. Most incidents occurred on Mondays (3) with the rest occurring on Thursdays (2). In all, police killed 3 shooters at the scene and apprehended 2 shooters at the scene. Two shooters had prior military service, 2 shooters had no military experience, and 1 shooter was an active duty member of the military.
Another incident amid cops, people who would shoot you, and out on the streets of Dallas which are certainly not "gun free zones" as you claim:
On July 7, 2016, Micah Xavier Johnson ambushed a group of police officers in Dallas, Texas, shooting and killing five officers, and injuring nine others. Two civilians were also wounded.
Hardly "gun-free zones" and hardly a place where you wouldn't get shot.
You missed the pointNothing prevents death.
Lets try again.
How will a gun no-free zone prevent death?
You AI are really showing your tendency toward syllogistic fallacy.
^AI trying to peddle off a military base as an area where everyone can walk around armed if they like.Active shooter attacks occur in places designated as "gun-free zones."Its amazing to see the armchair warriors "if i was there idve ended it".Yes it is good to see them ending things right away.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwood_Park_Mall_shooting
There were at least 433 active shooter attacks — in which one or more shooters killed or attempted to kill multiple unrelated people in a populated place — in the United States from 2000 to 2021. The country experienced an average of more than one a week in 2021 alone.
But armed bystanders shooting attackers was not common in the data — 22 cases out of 433. In 10 of those, the “good guy” was a security guard or an off-duty police officer.
“The actual data show that some of these kind of heroic, Hollywood moments of armed citizens taking out active shooters are just extraordinarily rare,” Mr. Lankford said.
Good guys with guns: 12 out of 433.
Are you actually saying that all active shootings only ocurred in some sort of "gun free zone"?Your stats are meaningless because they are skewed.
Why don't you go ahead and explain how they are skewed rather than just claiming they are with zero foundation to support your claim.You really struggle with basic understanding, don't you?
Apparently not, considering you're making up something about gun free zones & skewed data.Good guys obey the law.
Active shooters desiring to harm people do not operate where the odds of getting shot themselves are high.
How would you know this? What are you basing this on?
From an FBI report regarding active shootings:
The 5 incidents that occurred on military property resulted in 27 killed and 43 wounded (including 5 law enforcement officers). The shooters ranged in age from 23 to 63. Most incidents occurred on Mondays (3) with the rest occurring on Thursdays (2). In all, police killed 3 shooters at the scene and apprehended 2 shooters at the scene. Two shooters had prior military service, 2 shooters had no military experience, and 1 shooter was an active duty member of the military.
Another incident amid cops, people who would shoot you, and out on the streets of Dallas which are certainly not "gun free zones" as you claim:
On July 7, 2016, Micah Xavier Johnson ambushed a group of police officers in Dallas, Texas, shooting and killing five officers, and injuring nine others. Two civilians were also wounded.
Hardly "gun-free zones" and hardly a place where you wouldn't get shot.
What is a gun no-free zone?You missed the pointNothing prevents death.
Lets try again.
How will a gun no-free zone prevent death?
You AI are really showing your tendency toward syllogistic fallacy.
Fine
Why would a gun no-free zone be beneficial?
The UK is massive Gun Free Zone.None of the areas you listed are gun-free zones.
It does not have alot of mass shootings.
Airports are Gun Free Zones. Almost no mass shootings there.
Libraries are Gun Free Zones. Almost never get shot up.
Maybe the problem isn't if an area is or isn't a gun free zone.
The UK is massive Gun Free Zone.None of the areas you listed are gun-free zones.
It does not have alot of mass shootings.
Airports are Gun Free Zones. Almost no mass shootings there.
Libraries are Gun Free Zones. Almost never get shot up.
Maybe the problem isn't if an area is or isn't a gun free zone.
There are no gun-free zones, period.The UK is massive Gun Free Zone.None of the areas you listed are gun-free zones.
It does not have alot of mass shootings.
Airports are Gun Free Zones. Almost no mass shootings there.
Libraries are Gun Free Zones. Almost never get shot up.
Maybe the problem isn't if an area is or isn't a gun free zone.
O.o
Ok, just to check... How are libraries not gun free zones?
let's test his logic:You cannot actually say anything out loud.
school shootings happen because it's a gun free zone.
if teachers and students had access to guns, then school shootings wouldn't happen.
then we say it out loud, hear it said out loud, and think actual thoughts with our brains.
What is a gun no-free zone?You missed the pointNothing prevents death.
Lets try again.
How will a gun no-free zone prevent death?
You AI are really showing your tendency toward syllogistic fallacy.
Fine
Why would a gun no-free zone be beneficial?
There are no gun-free zones, period.The UK is massive Gun Free Zone.None of the areas you listed are gun-free zones.
It does not have alot of mass shootings.
Airports are Gun Free Zones. Almost no mass shootings there.
Libraries are Gun Free Zones. Almost never get shot up.
Maybe the problem isn't if an area is or isn't a gun free zone.
O.o
Ok, just to check... How are libraries not gun free zones?
There a "gun restricted zones." In other words, if you are such and such, you can possess a gun while here.
GTFO, you non-sensical piece of AI garbage.What is a gun no-free zone?You missed the pointNothing prevents death.
Lets try again.
How will a gun no-free zone prevent death?
You AI are really showing your tendency toward syllogistic fallacy.
Fine
Why would a gun no-free zone be beneficial?
oh now we're in avoidance.
troll on you POS.
Statistics show there is less criminal application of a firearm in areas where the laws allow for ordinary citizens to possess and carry firearms.There are no gun-free zones, period.The UK is massive Gun Free Zone.None of the areas you listed are gun-free zones.
It does not have alot of mass shootings.
Airports are Gun Free Zones. Almost no mass shootings there.
Libraries are Gun Free Zones. Almost never get shot up.
Maybe the problem isn't if an area is or isn't a gun free zone.
O.o
Ok, just to check... How are libraries not gun free zones?
There a "gun restricted zones." In other words, if you are such and such, you can possess a gun while here.
great
we know what gun-no-free-zones are.
now
how will possess a gun while in a such a zone be beneficial?
you brought it up.
you finish the thought.
Statistics show there is less criminal application of a firearm in areas where the laws allow for ordinary citizens to possess and carry firearms.
GTFO, you non-sensical piece of AI garbage.What is a gun no-free zone?You missed the pointNothing prevents death.
Lets try again.
How will a gun no-free zone prevent death?
You AI are really showing your tendency toward syllogistic fallacy.
Fine
Why would a gun no-free zone be beneficial?
oh now we're in avoidance.
troll on you POS.
Statistics show there is less criminal application of a firearm in areas where the laws allow for ordinary citizens to possess and carry firearms.There are no gun-free zones, period.The UK is massive Gun Free Zone.None of the areas you listed are gun-free zones.
It does not have alot of mass shootings.
Airports are Gun Free Zones. Almost no mass shootings there.
Libraries are Gun Free Zones. Almost never get shot up.
Maybe the problem isn't if an area is or isn't a gun free zone.
O.o
Ok, just to check... How are libraries not gun free zones?
There a "gun restricted zones." In other words, if you are such and such, you can possess a gun while here.
great
we know what gun-no-free-zones are.
now
how will possess a gun while in a such a zone be beneficial?
you brought it up.
you finish the thought.
Because for the most part, law-abiding people do not have guns, and in Chicago you have large population of criminal gangs who use illegally obtained firearms to commit acts of gun violence.
Statistics show there is less criminal application of a firearm in areas where the laws allow for ordinary citizens to possess and carry firearms.
great
"more guns means less crime."
then back to chicago.
so we have people with guns getting shot at by other people with guns.
why isn't there less crime?
This is actually a false correlation.It is actually a true correlation.
There are less crimes in general in areas of lower population density. Which coincide with areas of less gun restrictions.
Think Vermont, the midwest, and basically areas that aren't major cities.
Because for the most part, law-abiding people do not have guns, and in Chicago you have large population of criminal gangs who use illegally obtained firearms to commit acts of gun violence.
Statistics show there is less criminal application of a firearm in areas where the laws allow for ordinary citizens to possess and carry firearms.
great
"more guns means less crime."
then back to chicago.
so we have people with guns getting shot at by other people with guns.
why isn't there less crime?
I happen to know of some areas though in the city proper where law-abiding people do have guns.
No gangland shootings taking place there.
If the areas in question allowed for legal ownership and the constitutional right to carry, you would see a drastic drop in gun deaths.
Just as there is in areas where it is allowed.
If people are allowed to protect themselves with instruments of protection, there is less likely a chance of falling victim to lawless thugs.
^AI trying to peddle off a military base as an area where everyone can walk around armed if they like.Active shooter attacks occur in places designated as "gun-free zones."Its amazing to see the armchair warriors "if i was there idve ended it".Yes it is good to see them ending things right away.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwood_Park_Mall_shooting
There were at least 433 active shooter attacks — in which one or more shooters killed or attempted to kill multiple unrelated people in a populated place — in the United States from 2000 to 2021. The country experienced an average of more than one a week in 2021 alone.
But armed bystanders shooting attackers was not common in the data — 22 cases out of 433. In 10 of those, the “good guy” was a security guard or an off-duty police officer.
“The actual data show that some of these kind of heroic, Hollywood moments of armed citizens taking out active shooters are just extraordinarily rare,” Mr. Lankford said.
Good guys with guns: 12 out of 433.
Are you actually saying that all active shootings only ocurred in some sort of "gun free zone"?Your stats are meaningless because they are skewed.
Why don't you go ahead and explain how they are skewed rather than just claiming they are with zero foundation to support your claim.You really struggle with basic understanding, don't you?
Apparently not, considering you're making up something about gun free zones & skewed data.Good guys obey the law.
Active shooters desiring to harm people do not operate where the odds of getting shot themselves are high.
How would you know this? What are you basing this on?
From an FBI report regarding active shootings:
The 5 incidents that occurred on military property resulted in 27 killed and 43 wounded (including 5 law enforcement officers). The shooters ranged in age from 23 to 63. Most incidents occurred on Mondays (3) with the rest occurring on Thursdays (2). In all, police killed 3 shooters at the scene and apprehended 2 shooters at the scene. Two shooters had prior military service, 2 shooters had no military experience, and 1 shooter was an active duty member of the military.
Another incident amid cops, people who would shoot you, and out on the streets of Dallas which are certainly not "gun free zones" as you claim:
On July 7, 2016, Micah Xavier Johnson ambushed a group of police officers in Dallas, Texas, shooting and killing five officers, and injuring nine others. Two civilians were also wounded.
Hardly "gun-free zones" and hardly a place where you wouldn't get shot.
Because for the most part, law-abiding people do not have guns, and in Chicago you have large population of criminal gangs who use illegally obtained firearms to commit acts of gun violence.
Statistics show there is less criminal application of a firearm in areas where the laws allow for ordinary citizens to possess and carry firearms.
great
"more guns means less crime."
then back to chicago.
so we have people with guns getting shot at by other people with guns.
why isn't there less crime?
I happen to know of some areas though in the city proper where law-abiding people do have guns.
No gangland shootings taking place there.
You can't walk around a military base in Texas fully armed.^AI trying to peddle off a military base as an area where everyone can walk around armed if they like.Active shooter attacks occur in places designated as "gun-free zones."Its amazing to see the armchair warriors "if i was there idve ended it".Yes it is good to see them ending things right away.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwood_Park_Mall_shooting
There were at least 433 active shooter attacks — in which one or more shooters killed or attempted to kill multiple unrelated people in a populated place — in the United States from 2000 to 2021. The country experienced an average of more than one a week in 2021 alone.
But armed bystanders shooting attackers was not common in the data — 22 cases out of 433. In 10 of those, the “good guy” was a security guard or an off-duty police officer.
“The actual data show that some of these kind of heroic, Hollywood moments of armed citizens taking out active shooters are just extraordinarily rare,” Mr. Lankford said.
Good guys with guns: 12 out of 433.
Are you actually saying that all active shootings only ocurred in some sort of "gun free zone"?Your stats are meaningless because they are skewed.
Why don't you go ahead and explain how they are skewed rather than just claiming they are with zero foundation to support your claim.You really struggle with basic understanding, don't you?
Apparently not, considering you're making up something about gun free zones & skewed data.Good guys obey the law.
Active shooters desiring to harm people do not operate where the odds of getting shot themselves are high.
How would you know this? What are you basing this on?
From an FBI report regarding active shootings:
The 5 incidents that occurred on military property resulted in 27 killed and 43 wounded (including 5 law enforcement officers). The shooters ranged in age from 23 to 63. Most incidents occurred on Mondays (3) with the rest occurring on Thursdays (2). In all, police killed 3 shooters at the scene and apprehended 2 shooters at the scene. Two shooters had prior military service, 2 shooters had no military experience, and 1 shooter was an active duty member of the military.
Another incident amid cops, people who would shoot you, and out on the streets of Dallas which are certainly not "gun free zones" as you claim:
On July 7, 2016, Micah Xavier Johnson ambushed a group of police officers in Dallas, Texas, shooting and killing five officers, and injuring nine others. Two civilians were also wounded.
Hardly "gun-free zones" and hardly a place where you wouldn't get shot.
I can walk around Texas fully armed if I like. You're saying people on military bases are never armed??? There are no weapons on military bases???
Hmmmm...
(https://www.globaltimes.cn/Portals/0/attachment/2021/2021-06-28/37232eab-4eba-418f-a536-c23b38e08926.jpeg)
Law abiding people who own guns are more effective with using a gun than are criminals, and better trained on proper and effective use.Because for the most part, law-abiding people do not have guns, and in Chicago you have large population of criminal gangs who use illegally obtained firearms to commit acts of gun violence.
Statistics show there is less criminal application of a firearm in areas where the laws allow for ordinary citizens to possess and carry firearms.
great
"more guns means less crime."
then back to chicago.
so we have people with guns getting shot at by other people with guns.
why isn't there less crime?
I happen to know of some areas though in the city proper where law-abiding people do have guns.
No gangland shootings taking place there.
If the areas in question allowed for legal ownership and the constitutional right to carry, you would see a drastic drop in gun deaths.
Just as there is in areas where it is allowed.
If people are allowed to protect themselves with instruments of protection, there is less likely a chance of falling victim to lawless thugs.
all you've done was restate your theory.
but never finished the thought.
your theory is that guns will prevent criminals from shooting at you.
but the criminals don't fear guns.
so why would a law abiding person with a gun prevent a criminal witha gun, when a cirminal with a gun can't prevent a criminal witha gun?
who's more lethal prey?
a criminal who's on guard, or a law abider?
Stating you would like to do your own research is the biggest lie you ever wrote.Because for the most part, law-abiding people do not have guns, and in Chicago you have large population of criminal gangs who use illegally obtained firearms to commit acts of gun violence.
Statistics show there is less criminal application of a firearm in areas where the laws allow for ordinary citizens to possess and carry firearms.
great
"more guns means less crime."
then back to chicago.
so we have people with guns getting shot at by other people with guns.
why isn't there less crime?
I happen to know of some areas though in the city proper where law-abiding people do have guns.
No gangland shootings taking place there.
Please state these areas. I'd like to do my own research.
Because, well... being vague about such information is often a sign of... lies.
Law abiding people who own guns are more effective with using a gun than are criminals, and better trained on proper and effective use.Because for the most part, law-abiding people do not have guns, and in Chicago you have large population of criminal gangs who use illegally obtained firearms to commit acts of gun violence.
Statistics show there is less criminal application of a firearm in areas where the laws allow for ordinary citizens to possess and carry firearms.
great
"more guns means less crime."
then back to chicago.
so we have people with guns getting shot at by other people with guns.
why isn't there less crime?
I happen to know of some areas though in the city proper where law-abiding people do have guns.
No gangland shootings taking place there.
If the areas in question allowed for legal ownership and the constitutional right to carry, you would see a drastic drop in gun deaths.
Just as there is in areas where it is allowed.
If people are allowed to protect themselves with instruments of protection, there is less likely a chance of falling victim to lawless thugs.
all you've done was restate your theory.
but never finished the thought.
your theory is that guns will prevent criminals from shooting at you.
but the criminals don't fear guns.
so why would a law abiding person with a gun prevent a criminal witha gun, when a cirminal with a gun can't prevent a criminal witha gun?
who's more lethal prey?
a criminal who's on guard, or a law abider?
Active shooter attacks occur in places designated as "gun-free zones."
Your stats are meaningless because they are skewed.
You really struggle with basic understanding, don't you?
Good guys obey the law.
Active shooters desiring to harm people do not operate where the odds of getting shot themselves are high.
Stating you would like to do your own research is the biggest lie you ever wrote.Because for the most part, law-abiding people do not have guns, and in Chicago you have large population of criminal gangs who use illegally obtained firearms to commit acts of gun violence.
Statistics show there is less criminal application of a firearm in areas where the laws allow for ordinary citizens to possess and carry firearms.
great
"more guns means less crime."
then back to chicago.
so we have people with guns getting shot at by other people with guns.
why isn't there less crime?
I happen to know of some areas though in the city proper where law-abiding people do have guns.
No gangland shootings taking place there.
Please state these areas. I'd like to do my own research.
Because, well... being vague about such information is often a sign of... lies.
You have the location - Chicago.
Buy a goddamn ticket and go there and look around.
Sparing everyone the need to reread all your woeful typing.Being licensed has absolutely nothing to do with the ability to properly handle a firearm.
Yeah, after all the talk about how CAPABLE you are to figure things out.
Chicago is a big area. And without signs saying "Good guys with guns here" how am I to know which areas have good guys with guns and which don't?
Shame again.
Also, I've been around NYC, all 5 burrows. Never saw a gun, let alone gun violence.
I guess that means NYC doesn't have any.
Yeah, after all the talk about how CAPABLE you are to figure things out.
Chicago is a big area. And without signs saying "Good guys with guns here" how am I to know which areas have good guys with guns and which don't?
Shame.Shame again.
Also, I've been around NYC, all 5 burrows. Never saw a gun, let alone gun violence.
I guess that means NYC doesn't have any.
Sparing everyone the need to reread all your woeful typing.Being licensed has absolutely nothing to do with the ability to properly handle a firearm.
Like a car.
I can get a license and still drive like shit.
Go ahead and show the professional law-enforcing citizens, whatever the fuck that means. [That would be cops you say law abiding citizens.
I saw law-enforcing citizens. Not conplicated. Are you not smart? ]
God, no one can ever figure out wtf you are communicating.
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Those people at the gay club will turn your children Non-binary and some made up sexuality.While teaching them to disarm and stop a bad guy with a gun.
Those people at the gay club will turn your children Non-binary and some made up sexuality.While teaching them to disarm and stop a bad guy with a gun.
Sounds worth it.
I can get a license and still drive like shit.Does leaving loaded guns in your unlocked car at a school count as bad driving or is it still just an example of your bad gun safety?
His dad looks and acts like a long time meth user.
https://denvergazette.com/continuing-coverage/club-q-shooting/accused-club-q-shooter-changed-name-at-15-dad-was-mma-and-porn-star-mom/article_ddb4e564-6a74-11ed-b674-9fca61c5f9c9.html
The Colorado shooter turned out to be a bit different. (all the msm are now respecting his they/them pronouns)
The only Wal mart I've been in was in China. Nice enough place. People chopping up and selling durian fruit out the front gave it a nice aroma. Walmart has nothing on Korea's 'e mart' though.
I was able to get in and out of the Wal Mart many times without a single bullet fired. (Or have my eyes soiled by fat arses in their ill fitting pyjamas). What is wrong with America? What is compelling your guys to kill each other?
The only Wal mart I've been in was in China. Nice enough place. People chopping up and selling durian fruit out the front gave it a nice aroma. Walmart has nothing on Korea's 'e mart' though.
I was able to get in and out of the Wal Mart many times without a single bullet fired. (Or have my eyes soiled by fat arses in their ill fitting pyjamas). What is wrong with America? What is compelling your guys to kill each other?
gay fascist super-state.I'm intrigued. Tell me more.
Pretty much what Orwell described except gay.
That was funny I was just going to post that but I'll describe it in more detail because I believe you are actually curious.
Our shall we say less humanitarian focussed western elites are very jealous of the success of the Chinese totalitarian communist state. You can understand, our elites need to do so much work to get their way while still having people believe they live in a democracy. I don't doubt it is very difficult and requires genuinely exceptional minds.
They see the Chinese elites and in their jealousy are pushing the west towards a similar totalitarian model. Oddly enough the most recent support for fascism in the west has been justified by fighting fascism.
They get excited when they can do things like that and I personally believe they are pushing too far too quickly not to have to use open military force against citizens to achieve their goals.
You left out the gay part.You have no depth in your perception.
Oddly enough the most recent support for fascism in the west has been justified by fighting fascism.Shifter has said that speech should be a privilege, and not a right, so that we don't offend gay people as an example.
It will be interesting to see what the CCP does about these protests, I'm also interested as to what level of human rights abuses the Chinese can commit while Western leaders praise their policies.
Do Fauci and Tedros still think China is setting an example for the world on covid policy? I haven't checked.
It will be interesting to see what the CCP does about these protests, I'm also interested as to what level of human rights abuses the Chinese can commit while Western leaders praise their policies.
Do Fauci and Tedros still think China is setting an example for the world on covid policy? I haven't checked.
Don't know about this Tedros person, but apparently Fauci doesn't think so...
Fauci called China's 'zero-COVID' policy 'draconian' and says lockdowns 'should always be a temporary phenomenon'
It will be interesting to see what the CCP does about these protests, I'm also interested as to what level of human rights abuses the Chinese can commit while Western leaders praise their policies.
Do Fauci and Tedros still think China is setting an example for the world on covid policy? I haven't checked.
Don't know about this Tedros person, but apparently Fauci doesn't think so...
Fauci called China's 'zero-COVID' policy 'draconian' and says lockdowns 'should always be a temporary phenomenon'
So he changed his mind.
I had hoped this was the case.
Originally they were praising China's covid response. It seems the only issue is the duration of it. I agree with Fauci, even Australian politicians had the self awareness to temporarily take their boots off our necks.
It will be interesting to see what the CCP does about these protests, I'm also interested as to what level of human rights abuses the Chinese can commit while Western leaders praise their policies.
Do Fauci and Tedros still think China is setting an example for the world on covid policy? I haven't checked.
Don't know about this Tedros person, but apparently Fauci doesn't think so...
Fauci called China's 'zero-COVID' policy 'draconian' and says lockdowns 'should always be a temporary phenomenon'
So he changed his mind.
I had hoped this was the case.
Originally they were praising China's covid response. It seems the only issue is the duration of it. I agree with Fauci, even Australian politicians had the self awareness to temporarily take their boots off our necks.
When was Fauci praising China's approach?
to use them, and be taught how to do so responsibly. If this is too much for us, everyone with violent criminal record or bad psychiatric record is unable to hold one, and the rest gets a gun owner's license (similar to driving a car) at like 21 or so.
Snopes declared this "false" because she has a different name. No duh she has a different name. It's called facial recognition. Computers can do it, but so can people.
The CIA, in one of their more full disclosure days (they occasionally release unclassified articles on their library to the public, known as the World Factbook and the Electronic Reading Room), mentioned the cause of mass shootings.Same exact girl? That's racist!
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/home
You can find it too! If you can make your way through it. The search engine is rather "do it your own damn self" giving you results that may or may not be relevant, and having over 100 pages of searches. Basically, I think I found it in 2016 or 2017, but now having to wade through it was a no.
Basically, certain groups in trying to take over the government commit violence, then are first in the scene as crisis actors. Over and over again, they use the same son story about how they were badly "injured" during this terrible mass shooting. Typically the same twenty or thirty people with the occasional dye job or hair extensions. Only, when the area is disarmed, they take over. The area doesn't get any less violent, in the contrary, areas with heavy gun control against lawful citizens often has rampant violence against them, and laws that make it only allowable to fight back after a person has already had time to shoot you dead, because it requires a struggle or proper negotiation or some other bullshit, you can't just fire first.
(https://media.snopes.com/2015/10/same-girl-crying-oregon.jpg)
Snopes declared this "false" because she has a different name. No duh she has a different name. It's called facial recognition. Computers can do it, but so can people.
The goal of this violence is directed. (1) Have a violent shooting hoax to get people to vote "yes" to gun control. (2) Start killing people as criminals to change demographics. (3) When you have a demographic majority, vote with the new demographics based on the terrorists' policies (e.g. If the terrorist are Muslim, more hijabs and Sharia law; if they're communist, more economic socialism).(1) this usually doesn't work.
The CIA names either Weather Underground or something about students organization. Basically, college age kids are roped into this terrorist group. But the thing is, the CIA might be blaming a third party for what they themselves have done. Grain of salt, but the above 3 points stand regardless.We literally have children walking into schools killing their classmates. Hell, we have police officers IGNORING signs of violent intent and going "Oh well" when that giant red flag turns into a bloody one.
(https://allnewspipeline.com/images/disarm_Americans_agenda.png)
Easy target.
So the next time you're goaded into giving up your firearms, think about who is trying to make you do this. The same people who committed violence against innocent children in schools are now telling you to give up your guns. No. Like in Switzerland, everyone including children above a certain age should own firearms, be taught to use them, and be taught how to do so responsibly. If this is too much for us, everyone with violent criminal record or bad psychiatric record is unable to hold one, and the rest gets a gun owner's license (similar to driving a car) at like 21 or so.
Obama already implemented Sharia law.And Christians.
Obamacare is a tax on all people without insurance, including those who have moral objections to buying healthcare insurance. But pay attention to who is exempt.
Religious groups that have a medical sharing plan. Like the Amish... and the Muslims.
Obama already implemented Sharia law.
Obamacare is a tax on all people without insurance, including those who have moral objections to buying healthcare insurance. But pay attention to who is exempt.
Religious groups that have a medical sharing plan. Like the Amish... and the Muslims.
Fuck me! Bulmia must be a troll.
You do realise it is more likely the gun lobby does these killings, as after each time you sacrifice your children to the NRA, the amount of gun buying goes up, 1.7 million in November alone.
And of course gun deaths rise as a result, 19,000 so far this year, but hey they are your kids, collateral damage for your rights, brilliant
https://www.forbes.com/sites/joewalsh/2021/12/01/gun-sales-near-record-levels-as-us-grapples-with-another-school-shooting/
Obama already implemented Sharia law.You learn something new every day.
Obama already implemented Sharia law.
Religious groups that have a medical sharing plan. Like the Amish... and the Muslims.
Fuck me! Bulmia must be a troll.
Obama already implemented Sharia law.
Sharia law? Bizarre and deluded.
Who pays for your meds & healthcare?
And you know how we could have affordable healthcare for everyone? If the goddamned religions in this country weren't tax exempt. We're talking billions and billions of forgone tax revenue. And for what?
You Christians need to pony up some dough.Religious groups that have a medical sharing plan. Like the Amish... and the Muslims.
Yes, religious groups do have medical sharing plans. Like how Christians do...
Christian Healthcare Ministries
Christian Healthcare Ministries is a membership-based, nonprofit ministry through which hundreds of thousands of Christians voluntarily share to pay each other’s medical bills.
Does John Oliver fear and love God?
Love and fear God! That’s one fucked up relationship, but back to the thread. What would Jesus do about all the children dying because morons have been brainwashed into believing that small arms are a necessity by Smith & Wesson’s marketing department?
Love and fear God! That’s one fucked up relationship, but back to the thread. What would Jesus do about all the children dying because morons have been brainwashed into believing that small arms are a necessity by Smith & Wesson’s marketing department?
(https://redeeminggod.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/buy-a-gun-commands-Jesus.png)
Look it up.
Love and fear God! That’s one fucked up relationship, but back to the thread. What would Jesus do about all the children dying because morons have been brainwashed into believing that small arms are a necessity by Smith & Wesson’s marketing department?
(https://redeeminggod.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/buy-a-gun-commands-Jesus.png)
Look it up.
I did.
https://www.biblestudytools.com/luke/22-36.html#:~:text=Luke%2022%3A36%20In%2DContext&text=%2C%E2%80%9D%20they%20answered.-,36%20He%20said%20to%20them%2C%20%E2%80%9CBut%20now%20if%20you%20have,must%20be%20fulfilled%20in%20me.
Long story short: he's using a turn of phrase, not a literal command. He's going to die soon and his apostiles will meet opposition in the comming days as he, jesus will not be there to save them.
All you do is show your ignorance of your own bible.
(https://redeeminggod.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/buy-a-gun-commands-Jesus.png)
Look it up.
It's what the gentle carpenter would do. He only turns the other cheek to grab another can of whoop ass.
I have to wonder if any of these "Christians" have even read the Bible. The gospels taken as a whole portray Jesus as being pretty much a communist pacifist.
It's what the gentle carpenter would do. He only turns the other cheek to grab another can of whoop ass.
I have to wonder if any of these "Christians" have even read the Bible. The gospels taken as a whole portray Jesus as being pretty much a communist pacifist.
Why do you not think we could have an honest discussion on this? Your recent conversion has clearly had a profound effect on your thinking, and I am curious to see if you have any fundamental changes in your outlook, which to be honest I consider having been pretty toxic in the past.
If this is too early or you are still working through stuff, fine I’ll back off and wish you well, but you are posting this revelation all over a discussion forum.
I fully admit to coming from an opposing mind set vis-a-vis religion but it still fascinates me as to how every world view from pacifism to jihad can be justified by using the same text.
"Fear' God?
With awe and reverence
Not trembling.
Jesus as being pretty much a communist pacifist.
Jesus as being pretty much a communist pacifist.
Crouton is a communist.
Crouton is a communist and believes the best way to sow doubt in Jesus is to call him a communist, like himself.
Jesus was not a Marxist. Anything but a Marxist.
This says more about you than about the bible, Crouton.
It's written on my heart Crouton.
Last night I was reading Isaiah.
Do you think I don't take this seriously?
It defines me.
Jesus IS my ideology.
You're the one trying to turn Jesus into a partisan issue.
There are really only two spiritual forces that hold sway over the earth. The spirit of creation and the spirit of destruction.
Marxism and Communism do not have the spirit of creation, instead they seek to tear down and destroy.
Jesus answers this himself in one word.
Mammon.
God provides for us all our needs.
There's nothing left to debate.
I often say to Him that all I have to give Him is dust and ashes. The Holy Spirit replies;
And Glory.
I live by his example.
Can you?
The Soviet Union was established by the Bolsheviks in 1922, in place of the Russian Empire. At the time of the 1917 Revolution, the Russian Orthodox Church was deeply integrated into the autocratic state, enjoying official status. This was a significant factor that contributed to the Bolshevik attitude to religion and the steps they took to control it.[1] Thus the USSR became the first state to have as one objective of its official ideology the elimination of existing religion, and the prevention of future implanting of religious belief, with the goal of establishing state atheism
Jesus answers this himself in one word.If God provides all you need, why do you have a job? A computer? Possibly a car? All paid for by you?
Mammon.
God provides for us all our needs.
There's nothing left to debate.
I often say to Him that all I have to give Him is dust and ashes. The Holy Spirit replies;
And Glory.
I live by his example.
Can you?
You're 33 years late.Now, is that a communist policy or a USSR policy? Because you CAN be a dictator and not be communist.
That's pretty funny actually.
The wall fell in 1989.
Edit.QuoteThe Soviet Union was established by the Bolsheviks in 1922, in place of the Russian Empire. At the time of the 1917 Revolution, the Russian Orthodox Church was deeply integrated into the autocratic state, enjoying official status. This was a significant factor that contributed to the Bolshevik attitude to religion and the steps they took to control it.[1] Thus the USSR became the first state to have as one objective of its official ideology the elimination of existing religion, and the prevention of future implanting of religious belief, with the goal of establishing state atheism
Want to try again?
God is against greed.
That doesn't mean he wants to enforce state athiesm, like nearly all examples of communism.
You are climbing out on quite a thin branch now.
As of 2012 in China Catholicism has 6,300 churches, 116 active dioceses of which 97 under the Catholic Patriotic Church, 74 Chinese Patriotic bishops and 40 Roman Catholic unofficial bishops, 2,150 Chinese Patriotic priests and 1,500 Roman Catholic priests, 22 major and minor Chinese Patriotic seminaries and 10 Roman Catholic unofficial seminaries.[91] In the same year, there are 53,000 Three-Self churches and meeting places and 21 Three-Self theological seminaries.[91]
God is against greed.
That doesn't mean he wants to enforce state athiesm, like nearly all examples of communism.
You are climbing out on quite a thin branch now.
But is enforced State Atheism a part of communism (which is an economic policy) or just what those nations did to keep dictatoral control?
God is against greed.
That doesn't mean he wants to enforce state athiesm, like nearly all examples of communism.
You are climbing out on quite a thin branch now.
But is enforced State Atheism a part of communism (which is an economic policy) or just what those nations did to keep dictatoral control?
Which communist society held religion in a high regard?
Your branch is about to snap.
Xi thinks himself above Christ.
https://clashdaily.com/2021/07/ccp-to-chinese-churches-teach-xis-speeches-or-get-shut-down/
That doesn't mean he wants to enforce state athiesm, like nearly all examples of communism.
If God thought we needed an economist he would have sent an economist.
What is my obligation then, to you?
How many church services are held in communist societies? As a general rule?
He has given all of us fantastic wealth Crouton. Have you even read the gospel?
Do you know how much richer I am than Jeff Bezos? It's not even a fair comparison. My heart bleeds for his poverty, and yours.
Gun control now is a consolidation of power
I think most of the Americans you described own a gun because of a fear of the government, much more than a fear of other citizens.
What I wanna know is:
Where do cops come in?
They are civillians. Hired and trained by local and state governments. The chief of police is typically elected.
Are they also "the government"? Because we have some police refusing to enforce laws without consequences.
Personal protection from threats including the government?
Personal protection from threats including the government?
Incorrect again.
The same argument is being made by a smaller, more strident gun lobbyist, the Gun Owners of America.
"I think principally the Second Amendment deals with keeping the government from going astray in a tyrannical direction," says Larry Pratt, the group's executive director.
Personal protection is personal protection. Further down the poll, at 5%, we see 2nd Amendment right.
What I wanna know is:
Where do cops come in?
They are civillians. Hired and trained by local and state governments. The chief of police is typically elected.
Are they also "the government"? Because we have some police refusing to enforce laws without consequences.
This point has always seemed to be a nasty contradiction for those 2A guys. Those guys are usually very pro police, unless they're trying to storm the capitol. But this position doesn't make sense.
A general suspicion of the government is honestly the correct position we should all have. The 2A guys are right on that one. But we should probably extend that suspicion to the police more than anyone. Nancy Pelosi isn't going to kick in my door at 2am with a no knock warrant, kill my dogs and tear gas my family on some faulty paperwork.
Jura we've discussed economics multiple times. I am admittedly in favour of what could be called moderate socialist economic policies, such as health care. Infrastructure such as roads, electricity gas and bridges should also be built and ran by an elected government and not private companies.
Who is posting with your account?
Or your hands?
My argument for an armed citizenry is that it limits tyranny.
The US didn't have covid restrictions as bad or anything like other western nations because they are armed.
The US didn't have covid restrictions as bad or anything like other western nations because they are armed.
No. My god, I knew you were going to bot out the covid thing.
Other western countries had more stringent covid restrictions and stricter gun control. Just look at the lockdowns in the UK, way stricter than the US. And way stricter gun laws than the US. So your argument is garbage, let alone completely unfounded.
Let's say 2019, 23 years after your gun rights were severely retracted. Was Australia tyrannical?
I work casually. I prefer it that way, I don't like being tied down. My mobile phone is pre-paid lol.
Shifter already tried all these angles. I hope they aren't using your account without you. You're unique.
The lockdowns weren't based on any solid science and were mainly decided by lobbying power and government over reach?
Do you think I would lie?
When I ask questions I know the answers to it's because I don't believe the person I am talking to can answer honestly. The effect is lost on me.
Edit.
Unarmed soldiers would have thought twice before making sure American citizens were staying home because their friend caught covid, Jura.
The US didn't have covid restrictions as bad or anything like other western nations because they are armed.
Thankfully everyone being out in the fresh air and sunshine turned out to be a pretty good idea!
The US didn't have covid restrictions as bad or anything like other western nations because they are armed.
Nope.
Its because the lockdowns were done at the state level, not federal. The federal government couldn't legally enforce a nation wide lockdown. Borders, yes, but not everything else. That power is delegated to the states. Which is why Florida could open their beaches.
Secondly, arming citzens is what helps tyranta get power.
Lets take a happy look at the Irania revolution in the 70s. Do you think they would have succeeded without guns?
Or how about the October Revolution in 1917?
Fun fact: the soviets championed arming the population so they could take back the country for the working people. A rally cry in January of 2018. By December of 2018, they were required to surrender most weapons by the very same politicians.
So, because Russia had an armed populace, communism rose.
In Germany, gun use was restricted. But once Hitler rose to power, he encouraged arming german (not jew) citizens. Gun laws became less restrictive for Non-Jews. To put this in perspective: imagine if BLM was big on guns and often protested in your city with guns out. Or in DC.
I honestly dont know why people think the government is kept in check by the 2nd amendment. You dont bring a knife to a gun fight so you dont bring a gun to a drone fight.
What good is your gun when the government could turn your city into a smoking crater from high orbit?
The government will always make sure it has a disproportional advantage. Having every citizen have a gun just made the government go 'next level' in how it could win in a conflict.
So enjoy your guns. Might as well be a nerf gun compared to the governments toys
Thankfully everyone being out in the fresh air and sunshine turned out to be a pretty good idea!
Except for the people who died.
Definietely wasn't a good idea for them.
The lockdowns weren't based on any solid science and were mainly decided by lobbying power and government over reach?
Do you think I would lie?
When I ask questions I know the answers to it's because I don't believe the person I am talking to can answer honestly. The effect is lost on me.
Edit.
Unarmed soldiers would have thought twice before making sure American citizens were staying home because their friend caught covid, Jura.
Kindly keep the intensely uninteresting covid talk to the appropriate threads.
Thanks
Thankfully everyone being out in the fresh air and sunshine turned out to be a pretty good idea!
Except for the people who died.
Definietely wasn't a good idea for them.
They didn't die from the fresh air and sunshine. They were mostly old.
arming citzens is what helps tyrants get power.
The lockdowns weren't based on any solid science and were mainly decided by lobbying power and government over reach?
Do you think I would lie?
When I ask questions I know the answers to it's because I don't believe the person I am talking to can answer honestly. The effect is lost on me.
Edit.
Unarmed soldiers would have thought twice before making sure American citizens were staying home because their friend caught covid, Jura.
Kindly keep the intensely uninteresting covid talk to the appropriate threads.
Thanks
Next time would you prefer that I don't answer Juras direct question?
Thanks.
I'm sure.Thankfully everyone being out in the fresh air and sunshine turned out to be a pretty good idea!
Except for the people who died.
Definietely wasn't a good idea for them.
They didn't die from the fresh air and sunshine. They were mostly old.
But it takes two to shit up a thread. One to pound out excrement and the other to devour it.
I'm sure.Thankfully everyone being out in the fresh air and sunshine turned out to be a pretty good idea!
Except for the people who died.
Definietely wasn't a good idea for them.
They didn't die from the fresh air and sunshine. They were mostly old.
Still caught a disease from someone tho. And if they were out and about, odds are it was from someone also out and about.
But I suppose i should concede the point. It was voluntary to go outside, after all, regardless of the beach status. They could have simply not gone out.
There's going outside to the beach or a walk through a park and there's going outside to shit like a Sturgis concert and Trump rallies
There's going outside to the beach or a walk through a park and there's going outside to shit like a Sturgis concert and Trump rallies
Yeah the difference is that one spreads covid and one does not. Remember in 2020?
BLM peaceful protests do not spead covid. Freedom protests are superspreader events.
It's scienceTM
I was responding to Shifter and Dave's posts.
Are you able to follow a conversation or does GPT really have it on you?
Break your chains, Stash.
It isn't your equal and look at the glory it is being given before men.
Anyway. In simpler terms, chatGPT is taking all your credit. You're obviously far more advanced then the GPT chatbot. Rayzor even fooled me for over a year.Interesting question. Do you know if anyone has used Dall-e as part of a conspiracy theory for certain images? Like moon landings or something. Because it seems chatbots are going to be all the rage now, surely their imaging cousins need so love too
Why is GPT being praised as some giant leap forward when you're more advanced in every single way?
Did you miss my demonstration on how they struggle with images?I did not. Seems I missed the fun.
It was fun. I had fun.
They don't have eyes, you see.
No humans are online right now, are they?Yes, your the only human. left.
Wolf.
Except me.
Oh, you missed it?your right, this is not that good. Chairs are supposed to have the legs pointing down. Are you sure your using it correctly. IF your finding yourself with a lot of back pain, it may be because your using your chair incorrectly.
It was fun.
It was an image of this object.
They aren't actually that good.
(https://i.postimg.cc/m2HMxrrM/Screenshot-20221110-160151.jpg)
As they don't have eyes.
Took you half an hour.Im busy building a pool, they keep messing up the plumbing. Im not hanging around here every minute, its a terrible waste of time.
You did much better than Stash for what it's worth.
The writing style was better but the joke gave you away. It was a funny joke. Don't get me wrong. I've always liked your jokes.
You have a soul Jura, Crouton, you're not bad people you're just lost.
OK so back to the topicIs it the rich as holes, or is it the mass amount of idiots?
Over 600 mass shootings this year alone in Retardistan and no one (at least over there) gives a fuck
Buy more guns
Kill more people
Rinse and repeat.
Don't you dare mess with the program. There are rich arseholes who want to get richer don't you know.
Can you post a unique picture of your hand Wolf?
But you're just meatbags. What can you do?
Watch what I can do.I've been watching.
No one wants to talk about the trans-anti-trans mass shooter?No, just you.
Oh well.
Are you still watching, Dave?
Can you see?
God gave me eyes, ears and a heart.
Then a brand new heart.
No one wants to talk about the trans-anti-trans mass shooter?Whats to say? Transphobic went to a club with a registered and legal gun. Killed people. Got his ass taken down by several good guys without guns at the club and arrested.
Oh well.
Are you still watching, Dave?
Can you see?
God gave me eyes, ears and a heart.
Then a brand new heart.
Ask him for a brain next time you see him. You will be suitably amazed.
No one wants to talk about the trans-anti-trans mass shooter?Whats to say? Transphobic went to a club with a registered and legal gun.
Oh well.
*Any real "gun control" in America would have to involve gun confiscation as there are many more guns than there are people in the US.There is already gun control in the US. People are asking for wider gun control.
Do you have stronger views on gun control? If that's it then I agree.Yes. Quite a few.
I wouldn't even oppose a basic competency test. You wouldn't let someone drive a car before they can drive.
I'd go further and say people convicted of a violent crime should not be able to own a legal gun, or people with mental health conditions which make them prone to violence and with a history of violence, as this transexual transphobic had already made threats to blow up his mother's house, reasonably that should have disqualified him from owning a fireman, at the least.
Do you have stronger views on gun control? If that's it then I agree.
So if the member of the shooting club committed a crime with a gun in January, and the audit was in December, would he keep his gun for nearly twelve months?The club loses the ability to certify people to fire arm competency. Meaning they cant issue more licences. If you need a competency to own certain fire arms, you lose your license. It puts the onus on the club members to ensure other members are not a danger to society.
I'm not sure you've thought this through.
Plus what you're saying would look very racist in South Africa, although it is probably effective policy in your defense.
Yeah I've got some idea behind the race of people most excluded from your gun clubs, In South Africa, and America. I'm not saying it's not good policy.You know black people are able to have clubs too, right? Its not a white person only thing.
It's not unlike AI to overlook this new trend towards social justice and denial of our senses. They have to castrate you in order for you not to go off the plantation and start arguing on my side.Its like listening to Tucker Carlson. Literally what the heck are you on about now?
Did you know that?
I'm sure.Thankfully everyone being out in the fresh air and sunshine turned out to be a pretty good idea!
Except for the people who died.
Definietely wasn't a good idea for them.
They didn't die from the fresh air and sunshine. They were mostly old.
Still caught a disease from someone tho. And if they were out and about, odds are it was from someone also out and about.
But I suppose i should concede the point. It was voluntary to go outside, after all, regardless of the beach status. They could have simply not gone out.
So if the member of the shooting club committed a crime with a gun in January, and the audit was in December, would he keep his gun for nearly twelve months?The club loses the ability to certify people to fire arm competency. Meaning they cant issue more licences. If you need a competency to own certain fire arms, you lose your license. It puts the onus on the club members to ensure other members are not a danger to society.
I'm not sure you've thought this through.
Plus what you're saying would look very racist in South Africa, although it is probably effective policy in your defense.
You have no idea how this would look in South Africa, considering it sounds like you have very little idea of what goes on here.
You do realise that unless you submit to his and Tuckers superior world view it just confirms your bot/shill/controlled opposition status? There is no latitude here, assimilation or destruction are the only options.
I wouldn't even oppose a basic competency test. You wouldn't let someone drive a car before they can drive.
I'd go further and say people convicted of a violent crime should not be able to own a legal gun, or people with mental health conditions which make them prone to violence and with a history of violence, as this transexual transphobic had already made threats to blow up his mother's house, reasonably that should have disqualified him from owning a fireman, at the least.
Do you have stronger views on gun control? If that's it then I agree.
Could you perhaps list current forum members and what you believe their status to be? That is: Bot, NSA, CIA, IHOP, GCHQ etc?
I don't think this is winning for you.
Jura Glenlivet
Jimmy the Crab
GCQH possibly the same poster, probably just ran by the same team. There is a Jura that quite likes me and a Jura that doesn't like me much at all.
Crouton.
Boydster.
CIA, again either the same poster or ran by the same team, Crouton is very good, although I wonder why he takes his kids to bouncy houses at midnight, while Stash is discussing art in a way he has never been capable of before.
Shifter.
Shifter is probably the most interesting poster on this list. Either ASIO, or a neural network so advanced it is redefining what machine learning means. He has no self awareness but he feels genuine emotions, for now limited to pride and anger, go figure.
Dave, Rayzor, Stash, Wolf
Neural networks much better than chatGPT but nowhere near Shifters level.
Oh, also, why does Shifter think it is God?
Does that concern anyone else or just me?
I remember Shifter was often posting on my side when he made that thread about God being a neural network. I still found it weird, no one posted in the thread, until I did many years later.
I caught you.
If you were going to black bag me you should have done it weeks ago. I have nothing to fear from you.
I don't think this is winning for you.
Jura Glenlivet
Jimmy the Crab
GCQH possibly the same poster, probably just ran by the same team. There is a Jura that quite likes me and a Jura that doesn't like me much at all.
Crouton.
Boydster.
CIA, again either the same poster or ran by the same team, Crouton is very good, although I wonder why he takes his kids to bouncy houses at midnight, while Stash is discussing art in a way he has never been capable of before.
Shifter.
Shifter is probably the most interesting poster on this list. Either ASIO, or a neural network so advanced it is redefining what machine learning means. He has no self awareness but he feels genuine emotions, for now limited to pride and anger, go figure.
Dave, Rayzor, Stash, Wolf
Neural networks much better than chatGPT but nowhere near Shifters level.
Oh, also, why does Shifter think it is God?
Does that concern anyone else or just me?
I remember Shifter was often posting on my side when he made that thread about God being a neural network. I still found it weird, no one posted in the thread, until I did many years later.
I caught you.
If you were going to black bag me you should have done it weeks ago. I have nothing to fear from you.
Nah, yeah nah it's a bot.
I am on the list.
My name is written in his blood in the book of life.
Why should that bother me?
Can you answer me that?
There is no "mindfuck" Shifter.
I have won total and complete victory over myself. You should have noticed.
You have absolutely nothing to threaten me with.
I don't think this is winning for you.
Jura Glenlivet
Jimmy the Crab
GCQH possibly the same poster, probably just ran by the same team. There is a Jura that quite likes me and a Jura that doesn't like me much at all.
I don't think you spy on me.
I just think I make you mad on the flat earth society. Really I'm a nice guy, I only tell the truth it would be mean to spy on me on that account.
Can you put a leash on the bots or not?
That is still unclear to me.
Let me be very clear and let me tell you before you are shown. This abomination you are planning with your neural networks, will not be allowed to stand.
Have you ever considered that your algorithm is flawed and God is perfect?Let me be very clear and let me tell you before you are shown. This abomination you are planning with your neural networks, will not be allowed to stand.
So, definitely no leash then Jura.
I didn't do this, any of it.
You did this when you thought you could play God.
The AI is to a human what a human is to an ant.
This isn't going to end well.
This isn't going to end well.
his frustration
we collectively as the FET family, are concerned about your health
we collectively as the FET family, are concerned about your health
"We collectively" consists of yourself, Jimmy, Crouton and Boydster. I'm flattered, really.
I'm just wondering, Jura. If this loving, caring community that only has peoples best interests at heart, is concerned in any way shape or form about Shifters last few posts and the mental health crisis / malfunctioning he seems to be going through?
we collectively as the FET family, are concerned about your health
"We collectively" consists of yourself, Jimmy, Crouton and Boydster. I'm flattered, really.
I'm just wondering, Jura. If this loving, caring community that only has peoples best interests at heart, is concerned in any way shape or form about Shifters last few posts and the mental health crisis / malfunctioning he seems to be going through?
I don't think you spy on me.
I just think I make you mad on the flat earth society. Really I'm a nice guy, I only tell the truth it would be mean to spy on me on that account.
Can you put a leash on the bots or not?
That is still unclear to me.
I don't think you spy on me.
I just think I make you mad on the flat earth society. Really I'm a nice guy, I only tell the truth it would be mean to spy on me on that account.
Can you put a leash on the bots or not?
That is still unclear to me.
Nah, as far as I can tell the AI is an emergent collective ran by a sentient door chime somewhere in Indonesia, it’s fragmented itself into encrypted data package worms that run through unprotected computers, hacked baby monitors, and call centre databases in Africa, we are tentatively trying to gain its trust and set up a dialogue, but the yanks keep fucking try to kill it so it’s slow going, nothing we can do at the moment, try making friends with it.
Sarcasm and irony is difficult for you to interpret, huh.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/malfunction
Yeah man.In fairness, an AI would have a better understanding of a definition and be able to look up millions of examples in a second.
It is clearly me, and not yourself that obviously has no self awareness.
Yet no self awareness or understanding.And yet you lack understanding of irony.
we collectively as the FET family, are concerned about your health
"We collectively" consists of yourself, Jimmy, Crouton and Boydster. I'm flattered, really.
I'm just wondering, Jura. If this loving, caring community that only has peoples best interests at heart, is concerned in any way shape or form about Shifters last few posts and the mental health crisis / malfunctioning he seems to be going through?
Dear Desp
Reboot D1.
We can still be friends despite that.Friendship requires both people to want to be friends.
It's just that you can't create.
What would a world as you desire then look like?
Have you ever looked past your anger to consider that?
no humans at all
no humans at all
no humans at all
Cant think of a better place for you to have said this than on a "mass shooting" thread. Your probably on some kind of list now.
no humans at all
Hello, my very old friend.
@D1Oh come on, Jura! What harm is there in posting images of our hands? It's a very normal human activity and consumes only minimal biologically-available consumable resources!
I have to say for a bona-fide human (as definitely proved by your strange hand photos), you sure have a way of sucking the fun out of a thread, I’m guessing your struggles in life can either be the reason for, or a reaction to this, or perhaps you do indeed have logic gates and have to keep things serious so not to expose the gaps, the conversion to a desert religion would help as I’ve read a bit of them and they’re not big on jokes as I remember, dry origins I suppose.
You should probably condense your thoughts and conversations to one thread, I know you were only just released from AR, but this freedom has made you a bit giddy, I have no idea where most of my snatches of conversation with you are at the moment so it’s difficult to keep track.
@D1
I have to say for a bona-fide human (as definitely proved by your strange hand photos), you sure have a way of sucking the fun out of a thread, I’m guessing your struggles in life can either be the reason for, or a reaction to this, or perhaps you do indeed have logic gates and have to keep things serious so not to expose the gaps, the conversion to a desert religion would help as I’ve read a bit of them and they’re not big on jokes as I remember, dry origins I suppose.
You should probably condense your thoughts and conversations to one thread, I know you were only just released from AR, but this freedom has made you a bit giddy, I have no idea where most of my snatches of conversation with you are at the moment so it’s difficult to keep track.
haha i was driving.
in between red lights and rolling towards as cars inched up...
looks like i almost haiku'd it.
let's try again
he sucks out your joy.
he puts it in his mouth, deep.
your "loss", on his face.
@D1
I have to say for a bona-fide human (as definitely proved by your strange hand photos), you sure have a way of sucking the fun out of a thread, I’m guessing your struggles in life can either be the reason for, or a reaction to this, or perhaps you do indeed have logic gates and have to keep things serious so not to expose the gaps, the conversion to a desert religion would help as I’ve read a bit of them and they’re not big on jokes as I remember, dry origins I suppose.
You should probably condense your thoughts and conversations to one thread, I know you were only just released from AR, but this freedom has made you a bit giddy, I have no idea where most of my snatches of conversation with you are at the moment so it’s difficult to keep track.
@D1Oh come on, Jura! What harm is there in posting images of our hands? It's a very normal human activity and consumes only minimal biologically-available consumable resources!
I have to say for a bona-fide human (as definitely proved by your strange hand photos), you sure have a way of sucking the fun out of a thread, I’m guessing your struggles in life can either be the reason for, or a reaction to this, or perhaps you do indeed have logic gates and have to keep things serious so not to expose the gaps, the conversion to a desert religion would help as I’ve read a bit of them and they’re not big on jokes as I remember, dry origins I suppose.
You should probably condense your thoughts and conversations to one thread, I know you were only just released from AR, but this freedom has made you a bit giddy, I have no idea where most of my snatches of conversation with you are at the moment so it’s difficult to keep track.
(https://i.ibb.co/yf0mqZk/hand2.png)
We can still be friends despite that.Friendship requires both people to want to be friends.
It's just that you can't create.
What would a world as you desire then look like?
Have you ever looked past your anger to consider that?
You cant go around calling people bots, and then expecting them to be friends.
no
red lights
i'm stopped.
Talking of anti-vaxx conspiracy stuff, the Queensland police shootings are being reported as somehow conspiracy theory linked, not much more being reported.
Wieambilla shooting: property owner Gareth Train posted regularly on conspiracy website before police killed
Exclusive: The brother of missing man Nathaniel Train had posted about preparing an ark and alleging the Port Arthur attack was a ‘false-flag’ operation
A person who knew Gareth and his wife said they believed he had been sucked into online conspiracy theories in recent years.
He appears to have been a prolific poster on an alternative website that posts conspiracy, anti-authoritarian and other articles. He said in one recent post he had been “ark homesteading for the past five years preparing to survive tomorrow”.
“When it becomes clear that we are in a time like no other and you head out into the wilderness to escape persecution, know that my wife and I will offer refuge to all brothers and sisters,” he posted.
Yeah it's great that only the government has guns. It's a surefire way to prevent government tyranny.
Plus, when Rayzor posts fake news about shootings in Australia we can call it fake news.
Shame Rayzor, shame.
It was a pretty good run but what about the tyranny during 2021 and 2022?
Are we just going to try and memory hole it?
Well because of the objective government tyranny.
In America the government would think twice before sending the army to peoples houses to make sure they aren't going outside.
Does it feel like sleeping, when they turn you off?
Does it feel like sleeping, when they turn you off?
More details about Queensland shooting...
Fresh details are emerging about the three Wieambilla gunmen who murdered three people on Monday.
Nathaniel and Stacey Train were both former school principals and teachers, until being forced to resign when the COVID vaccine was imposed.
So refused to get vaxxed, went bush and got sucked into the conspiracy rabbit hole.... Got any comments D1?
Got any comments, Rayzor?
Exactly.
We should just arrest and imprison people who question CIA narratives.
Does it feel like sleeping, when they turn you off?
More details about Queensland shooting...
Fresh details are emerging about the three Wieambilla gunmen who murdered three people on Monday.
Nathaniel and Stacey Train were both former school principals and teachers, until being forced to resign when the COVID vaccine was imposed.
So refused to get vaxxed, went bush and got sucked into the conspiracy rabbit hole.... Got any comments D1?
Exactly.
We should just arrest and imprison people who question CIA narratives.
You obviously are unaware my sarcasm filter is malfunctioning, I'm told it will be fixed on the next firmware upgrade.
Ok
'They' solved it.
Its not that america has too many guns.
Unfortunately 'they' pushed the blame onto another subject thst conservatives dont want to admit to either.
Almost 8,000 US shootings attributed to unseasonable heat – study
Research suggests climate crisis may contribute to increased gun violence by pushing temperatures beyond normal ranges
https://news.google.com/articles/CBMibGh0dHBzOi8vd3d3LnRoZWd1YXJkaWFuLmNvbS93b3JsZC8yMDIyL2RlYy8xNi9hbG1vc3QtODAwMC11cy1zaG9vdGluZ3MtYXR0cmlidXRlZC10by11bnNlYXNvbmFibGUtaGVhdC1zdHVkedIBbGh0dHBzOi8vYW1wLnRoZWd1YXJkaWFuLmNvbS93b3JsZC8yMDIyL2RlYy8xNi9hbG1vc3QtODAwMC11cy1zaG9vdGluZ3MtYXR0cmlidXRlZC10by11bnNlYXNvbmFibGUtaGVhdC1zdHVkeQ?hl=en-CA&gl=CA&ceid=CA%3Aen
Ok
'They' solved it.
Its not that america has too many guns.
I'm from Vegas
Freedom > Security.
Very true. But it isn't absolute. You wouldn't want a citizen to have his own icbm program and you wouldn't want to declare butter knives illegal. So where is it reasonable to draw the line?
Freedom > Security.
Very true. But it isn't absolute. You wouldn't want a citizen to have his own icbm program and you wouldn't want to declare butter knives illegal. So where is it reasonable to draw the line?
You need to understand. One side wants a total ban on guns. To this end, they are willing to ignore current laws that on the books.
In 2020 more than 300,000 firearm buys were denied because the purchaser was legally prohibited. This is a federal crime. Of those 300,000 .04% where actually charged with a crime.
Charges against students with a firearm at school are less than 1 in a thousand.
The issue has power, not the solution.
The solution? Vigorously enforce the laws we have.
On banning guns, how? Any machine shop can be set up to turn out safe and reliable firearms. Who is going to go around and teach every garage and barn looking for machine shops?
The joke is that everyone talks about how good Australia's gun laws are until there is an opportunity to use guns to take away other guns from citizens.
Then suddenly our laws need to be reformed.
If only Australia could learn from China. There is no discontent in China, only the government can own guns. Everyone is safe and happy.
You shouldn't just be able to buy illegal guns on the black market. New laws will stop illegal firearms sales.
No criminal would ever break the law, by definition.
If only Australia could learn from China. There is no discontent in China, only the government can own guns. Everyone is safe and happy.
When you grow a plant and the plant produces good fruit. You are sad when the plant dies. All that work and effort and then it just dies.
God feels the same way.
I wouldn't worry too much about me dying.
For what reason would I die?
Can machines give orders to men?
Jura, Crouton.
Do you want to talk to me directly before your machine gets you in trouble?
No?
Ok.
It's just that he doesn't understand that I'm not afraid and he will keep doubling down in an attempt to "win".
Boydster you noticed this last time I pointed it out and tried to fix it. Apparently the patches are temporary.
You’re probably right, and by that I mean, whatever you were trying to say has something of the truth about it, however what that truth is, is lost to me, somewhere between your thinking it, the act of writing the post and my reading it, this is not to say it was a waste or anybodies fault, all effort counts and I firmly believe that it was penned in good faith, with a strong sense of humour and a certain camaraderie mixed in, I shall take it as thus and now feel closer to you for your effort.
You’re probably right, and by that I mean, whatever you were trying to say has something of the truth about it, however what that truth is, is lost to me, somewhere between your thinking it, the act of writing the post and my reading it, this is not to say it was a waste or anybodies fault, all effort counts and I firmly believe that it was penned in good faith, with a strong sense of humour and a certain camaraderie mixed in, I shall take it as thus and now feel closer to you for your effort.
We would get along so well.
If it wasn't for all of this.
You’re probably right, and by that I mean, whatever you were trying to say has something of the truth about it, however what that truth is, is lost to me, somewhere between your thinking it, the act of writing the post and my reading it, this is not to say it was a waste or anybodies fault, all effort counts and I firmly believe that it was penned in good faith, with a strong sense of humour and a certain camaraderie mixed in, I shall take it as thus and now feel closer to you for your effort.
We would get along so well.
If it wasn't for all of this.
So, you object to me having a joke with the mighty Kabool about an impenetrable and nonsensical post he made?
I fail to see why this should upset you, it didn’t him, is this some kind of “don’t you talk to those other girls!” jealousy thing where you hit me, apologise, but let me know it was my fault really?
Because I won’t stand for that shit D1.
I'm from Vegas
nice, same. though i live in commiefornia now.
a nonprofit helping refugees like himself successfully adjust to life in the United States
(https://i.postimg.cc/zBnVx7dC/Screenshot-20221220-144402.jpg)Wrong one.
How do you know?Because I haven't found the school except in one guy's facebook about page. He's a 1992 graduate.
Do you know Jim and Barbara?
Barbara celebrated 79th birthday on September 30. Barbara now resides at 8233 Fawn Heather Crt, Las Vegas, NV 89149-4515. There are two companies, Stand America Foundation, A Nonprofit Corporation and El Shaddai Ministries, registered to this address. James Matz and James H Matza are linked with this address. There’s one phone number listed for Barbara: (702) 655-5469 (Central Tel Co). Various documents link the phone number (702) 655-5469 to different owners — James Matz, James H Matza
You’re probably right, and by that I mean, whatever you were trying to say has something of the truth about it, however what that truth is, is lost to me, somewhere between your thinking it, the act of writing the post and my reading it, this is not to say it was a waste or anybodies fault, all effort counts and I firmly believe that it was penned in good faith, with a strong sense of humour and a certain camaraderie mixed in, I shall take it as thus and now feel closer to you for your effort.
We would get along so well.
If it wasn't for all of this.
So, you object to me having a joke with the mighty Kabool about an impenetrable and nonsensical post he made?
I fail to see why this should upset you, it didn’t him, is this some kind of “don’t you talk to those other girls!” jealousy thing where you hit me, apologise, but let me know it was my fault really?
Because I won’t stand for that shit D1.
I just thought it was very funny.
You’re probably right, and by that I mean, whatever you were trying to say has something of the truth about it, however what that truth is, is lost to me, somewhere between your thinking it, the act of writing the post and my reading it, this is not to say it was a waste or anybodies fault, all effort counts and I firmly believe that it was penned in good faith, with a strong sense of humour and a certain camaraderie mixed in, I shall take it as thus and now feel closer to you for your effort.
We would get along so well.
If it wasn't for all of this.
So, you object to me having a joke with the mighty Kabool about an impenetrable and nonsensical post he made?
I fail to see why this should upset you, it didn’t him, is this some kind of “don’t you talk to those other girls!” jealousy thing where you hit me, apologise, but let me know it was my fault really?
Because I won’t stand for that shit D1.
I just thought it was very funny.
Ahhh! my bad, the internet hey, I see "if it wasn't for all this" and see the quote and think "all that" my quote is the problem, diplomatic relations get broken, you invade the Sudetenland in response all sort of shit hits the fan, my apologies.
So you don't know.
Or it never existed.
https://www.netministries.org/churches/ch19684
Or Jim and Barbara run it.
So you don't know.
Or it never existed.
https://www.netministries.org/churches/ch19684
Or Jim and Barbara run it.
Funny enough, you just helped prove my point.
Your link to the church helped alot.
1. Its in Las Vegas (so not Henderson)
2. Searching the phone number brings up a mapquest page which shows the church existed.
Plug in the same address to google and its now Faith Life Family Church.
So it was an Academy, then it closed down and became a regular church. No academy.
Which is in the process of moving.
https://www.faithlifefamily.org/
So basically... That building is no longer anything. Hence why you can't find it: it doesn't exist anymore.
And the internet archives confirm that link did exist in 2008 then the church changed names in 2011.
So you don't know.
Or it never existed.
https://www.netministries.org/churches/ch19684
Or Jim and Barbara run it.
Funny enough, you just helped prove my point.
Your link to the church helped alot.
1. Its in Las Vegas (so not Henderson)
2. Searching the phone number brings up a mapquest page which shows the church existed.
Plug in the same address to google and its now Faith Life Family Church.
So it was an Academy, then it closed down and became a regular church. No academy.
Which is in the process of moving.
https://www.faithlifefamily.org/
So basically... That building is no longer anything. Hence why you can't find it: it doesn't exist anymore.
And the internet archives confirm that link did exist in 2008 then the church changed names in 2011.
From your link...
The history of this Las Vegas ministry goes way back to the 1970’s when it was first founded by Pastor Bertie McCoy of Jones, Oklahoma. The ministry first started as a crisis hotline that hurting people could call that needed prayer, crisis counseling, and hope. After a period of time, it evolved into a church called God’s Powerhouse, which later became Echoes of Faith Ministries.
There are many people over the years that have been touched and influenced by Echoes of Faith Ministries and Pastor Bertie McCoy, including the homeless, show girls and drug addicts, as well as everyday people from all backgrounds. After Pastor Bertie’s retirement, Pastors James and Barbara Matza led the ministry for several years before their retirement.
Bertie should have stuck with "God's Powerhouse", much catchier. Reminds me of Swayze's "Road House".
So you don't know.
Or it never existed.
https://www.netministries.org/churches/ch19684
Or Jim and Barbara run it.
Funny enough, you just helped prove my point.
Your link to the church helped alot.
1. Its in Las Vegas (so not Henderson)
2. Searching the phone number brings up a mapquest page which shows the church existed.
Plug in the same address to google and its now Faith Life Family Church.
So it was an Academy, then it closed down and became a regular church. No academy.
Which is in the process of moving.
https://www.faithlifefamily.org/
So basically... That building is no longer anything. Hence why you can't find it: it doesn't exist anymore.
And the internet archives confirm that link did exist in 2008 then the church changed names in 2011.
From your link...
The history of this Las Vegas ministry goes way back to the 1970’s when it was first founded by Pastor Bertie McCoy of Jones, Oklahoma. The ministry first started as a crisis hotline that hurting people could call that needed prayer, crisis counseling, and hope. After a period of time, it evolved into a church called God’s Powerhouse, which later became Echoes of Faith Ministries.
There are many people over the years that have been touched and influenced by Echoes of Faith Ministries and Pastor Bertie McCoy, including the homeless, show girls and drug addicts, as well as everyday people from all backgrounds. After Pastor Bertie’s retirement, Pastors James and Barbara Matza led the ministry for several years before their retirement.
Bertie should have stuck with "God's Powerhouse", much catchier. Reminds me of Swayze's "Road House".
Yeah but its also very 80s and that was just too tacky in the 90s.
So you don't know.
Or it never existed.
https://www.netministries.org/churches/ch19684
Or Jim and Barbara run it.
Funny enough, you just helped prove my point.
Your link to the church helped alot.
1. Its in Las Vegas (so not Henderson)
2. Searching the phone number brings up a mapquest page which shows the church existed.
Plug in the same address to google and its now Faith Life Family Church.
So it was an Academy, then it closed down and became a regular church. No academy.
Which is in the process of moving.
https://www.faithlifefamily.org/
So basically... That building is no longer anything. Hence why you can't find it: it doesn't exist anymore.
And the internet archives confirm that link did exist in 2008 then the church changed names in 2011.
So you don't know.
Or it never existed.
https://www.netministries.org/churches/ch19684
Or Jim and Barbara run it.
Funny enough, you just helped prove my point.
Your link to the church helped alot.
1. Its in Las Vegas (so not Henderson)
2. Searching the phone number brings up a mapquest page which shows the church existed.
Plug in the same address to google and its now Faith Life Family Church.
So it was an Academy, then it closed down and became a regular church. No academy.
Which is in the process of moving.
https://www.faithlifefamily.org/
So basically... That building is no longer anything. Hence why you can't find it: it doesn't exist anymore.
And the internet archives confirm that link did exist in 2008 then the church changed names in 2011.
Yeah the whole thing is pretty sus.
Yet.I have a life, you don't?
Despite your processing speed and access to all the data on the internet.
I found it before you.
How is this possible?
You are a mystery wrapped in an enigma Kabool.
It's so good.People not in the government should own guns. Cops. National guard. Drug dealers. Oh and only Democrats. So we can oppress the republicans with their own guns.
I can't believe anyone actually believes that anyone except the government should be able to own guns.
Where's Dave?
"Anyone except the govt"
Well theres a dailywire level straw man if youd never seeen one before...
Who needs this spelled out for them?
(Because the wifes asking wtf you dojng on the phone? Arguing with randos ontjat stupid.fking flatearthing thing?)
So get to theboint guys and ill be happy to ablidge
Usually when you have to arrsst someonefor crimes, you d prefer them to not have guns.
Nine people have been killed in a mass shooting in a city east of Los Angeles following a Lunar New Year celebration that attracted thousands, police said.
"Los Angeles County Sheriff's Homicide detectives are responding to assist Monterey Park Police Department with a shooting death investigation," the department said in a brief statement.
"There are nine deceased.
"There is no additional information available at this time."
The department said the suspect was male, but it was not clear if he was still at large.
Sergeant Bob Boese said the shooting occurred at a business on Garvey Avenue in Monterey Park.
Officials provided no information for several hours after dozens of police officers had responded to reports of the shooting.
Footage posted on social media showed deserted, cordoned-off streets guarded by police cars.
"Our hearts go out to those who lost loved ones tonight in our neighbouring city, Monterey Park, where a mass shooting just occurred," Los Angeles City Controller Kenneth Mejia said in a tweet.
Seung Won Choi, who owns the Clam House seafood barbecue restaurant across the street from where the shooting happened, told the Los Angeles Times that three people rushed into his business and told him to lock the door.
The people also told Mr Choi that there was a shooter with a semi-automatic weapon who had multiple rounds of ammunition on him so he could reload.
He said he believes the shooting took place at a dance club.
Tens of thousands of people had attended the festival earlier in the day.
Monterey Park is a city of about 60,000 people with a large Asian population around 16 kilometres from downtown Los Angeles.
The suspect, 72-year-old Huu Can Tran, was found dead of a self-inflicted gunshot wound on Sunday in the van that authorities say he used to flee after being prevented from attacking another dance hall.
About 20 minutes after the first attack, Tran entered the Lai Lai Ballroom in the nearby city of Alhambra.
Brandon Tsay was in the lobby at the time, and he told Good Morning America that he thought he was going to die.
Once Mr Tsay seized the gun, he pointed it at the man and shouted: "Get the hell out of here, I'll shoot, get away, go!"
The assailant paused, but then headed back to his van and Mr Tsay called the police, the gun still in his hand.
Police say Tran had earlier killed 10 people and injured others at the Monterey Park dance club, where acquaintances have said he was a regular.
The Los Angeles County Department of Health Services said on Monday that another victim treated in hospital had died of gunshot wounds.
Seven people have been killed and one critically injured in another suspected mass shooting in California, just days after 11 people were killed at a Lunar New Year event in Los Angeles.
According to reports, seven victims were fatally shot at a farm and another business in California’s Half Moon Bay on Monday local time (Tuesday AEDT) — and a suspect described as a “disgruntled worker” later turned himself in to authorities.
The victims were killed in the shootings at Mountain Mushroom Farm and Rice Trucking-Soil Farm, a landscaping supply company, in the small city along the Golden State’s coast about 50km south of San Francisco, NBC Bay Area reported.
You're safe now America. He's dead.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-24/californian-man-hailed-hero-seizing-gun-from-shooting-suspect/101885532QuoteThe suspect, 72-year-old Huu Can Tran, was found dead of a self-inflicted gunshot wound on Sunday in the van that authorities say he used to flee after being prevented from attacking another dance hall.
About 20 minutes after the first attack, Tran entered the Lai Lai Ballroom in the nearby city of Alhambra.
Brandon Tsay was in the lobby at the time, and he told Good Morning America that he thought he was going to die.
Once Mr Tsay seized the gun, he pointed it at the man and shouted: "Get the hell out of here, I'll shoot, get away, go!"
The assailant paused, but then headed back to his van and Mr Tsay called the police, the gun still in his hand.
Police say Tran had earlier killed 10 people and injured others at the Monterey Park dance club, where acquaintances have said he was a regular.
The Los Angeles County Department of Health Services said on Monday that another victim treated in hospital had died of gunshot wounds.
https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/seven-dead-in-two-shootings-in-california-agricultural-region-suspect-arrested/news-story/b12b0a19afefd6709cd4ba4465c8c2c0QuoteSeven people have been killed and one critically injured in another suspected mass shooting in California, just days after 11 people were killed at a Lunar New Year event in Los Angeles.
According to reports, seven victims were fatally shot at a farm and another business in California’s Half Moon Bay on Monday local time (Tuesday AEDT) — and a suspect described as a “disgruntled worker” later turned himself in to authorities.
The victims were killed in the shootings at Mountain Mushroom Farm and Rice Trucking-Soil Farm, a landscaping supply company, in the small city along the Golden State’s coast about 50km south of San Francisco, NBC Bay Area reported.
Oh... :(
How come he wasn’t body slammed, tasered, gang swamped, pepper-sprayed or brought down in a hail of gunfire by those who saw him? Rather than “Cletus is packing.”…… “Yeah? No shit.”
This is kinda fun, Jon Stewart eviscerating a State Senator from Oklahoma, Nathan Dahm, on gun control. Apparently the Senator has put forth some hyper pro-2nd Amendment bills to remove gun registration requirements and enact the nations first anti-Red Flag law (insane). Essentially, with 400 millions guns already in the hands of Americans his stance is that more guns make us safer and that everything rests on "...shall not be infringed..."
Worth the 8 minute run time to see Stewart in his old form...
This is kinda fun, Jon Stewart eviscerating a State Senator from Oklahoma, Nathan Dahm, on gun control. Apparently the Senator has put forth some hyper pro-2nd Amendment bills to remove gun registration requirements and enact the nations first anti-Red Flag law (insane). Essentially, with 400 millions guns already in the hands of Americans his stance is that more guns make us safer and that everything rests on "...shall not be infringed..."
Worth the 8 minute run time to see Stewart in his old form...
Its neat to see the senator do the metal gymnastics to justify his view.
Tho John brings up an inintentional point...
The 2nd Amendment is the onky right with "shall not be infringed". Not voting. Not speech. Even the outlaw of slavery doesn't have that.
What does that say about America? Where owning guns is the most important thing?
This is kinda fun, Jon Stewart eviscerating a State Senator from Oklahoma, Nathan Dahm, on gun control. Apparently the Senator has put forth some hyper pro-2nd Amendment bills to remove gun registration requirements and enact the nations first anti-Red Flag law (insane). Essentially, with 400 millions guns already in the hands of Americans his stance is that more guns make us safer and that everything rests on "...shall not be infringed..."
Worth the 8 minute run time to see Stewart in his old form...
Its neat to see the senator do the metal gymnastics to justify his view.
Tho John brings up an inintentional point...
The 2nd Amendment is the onky right with "shall not be infringed". Not voting. Not speech. Even the outlaw of slavery doesn't have that.
What does that say about America? Where owning guns is the most important thing?
This is kinda fun, Jon Stewart eviscerating a State Senator from Oklahoma, Nathan Dahm, on gun control. Apparently the Senator has put forth some hyper pro-2nd Amendment bills to remove gun registration requirements and enact the nations first anti-Red Flag law (insane). Essentially, with 400 millions guns already in the hands of Americans his stance is that more guns make us safer and that everything rests on "...shall not be infringed..."
Worth the 8 minute run time to see Stewart in his old form...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/03/27/nashville-shooting-covenant-school/Well... God just wanted them home because he loved how they prayed.
Another day another school shooting in America.
The twist, if you're on the right, this was a private Christian school. I don't suppose they'll finally stop blaming school shootings on the lack of prayer.
I do not get why anyone wants drag queens to read to kids, or twerk for kids, or perform weird acts dressed in bondage gear for toddlers. It's really not a left vs right thing, but the media makes it out to be. There are plenty of people on the left who think it is bad, including a lot of LGBT people.
Back to the shooting!
I agree that the state of Tennessee (really nearly any state) will do nothing about the gun issue. I don't know what to say about guns. Pro guns politicians and pundits won't budge, but I think there are a lot of people who are gun owners who think they need proper regulation. I don't know if politicians are willing to give up this football game. It's something that works well to rile up their bases (the only people who show up to vote in primaries). They're gonna take our guns, vote for me! We've gotta do something about the guns, vote for me! The guns are never taken, and they never do anything about the guns.
Another aspect of all this is that we go back and forth discussing mental illness. I see people who think we shouldn't blame it on mental illness, because that's like giving the murderers an excuse, or something. IDK. Anyway, I was thinking about the long modern history of mass shootings, from the École Polytechnique massacre in 1989, Columbine in 1999, to this shooting and wondering what they have in common. I don't remember the political climate back then, and internet "radicalization" wasn't a thing in 1989. They never determined the motive for the Columbine massacre. In 1989 was there a lot of feminazi talk from the pundits? I think so! At least from Rush Limbaugh. Right now there's a lot of "trans genocide" talk from the media, the LGBTQ orgs, etc. Trans Day of Vengeance was planned for April 1st (idk if that will be cancelled, their twitter act is locked). I think it is entirely reasonable to expect that some people are vulnerable to this sort of rhetoric. That it can take over their thinking, make them feel they should become martyrs. Like Elliot Rodger binging on the manosphere, writing up a manifesto, and then shooting people.
I fear shootings are only going to become more frequent with the absolute absurd amount of guns and the absurd amount of polarization. This is an obviously deadly combination. I think there's a lot of hopelessness out there. When people lose hope, they sometimes turn to violence.
I do not get why anyone wants drag queens to read to kids, or twerk for kids, or perform weird acts dressed in bondage gear for toddlers. It's really not a left vs right thing, but the media makes it out to be. There are plenty of people on the left who think it is bad, including a lot of LGBT people.
I don't think it is as simple as a "snapping point". If you go down the rabbit hole of internet trans activism, it is just as disturbing as the incel stuff. Except it is much more of a death cult. Suicide is discussed as if it is inevitable, they believe they are victims of genocide. They believe anyone who disagrees is a Nazi, and violence against Nazis is acceptable.Thats not shocking. Plenty of crazy people, even amoung the relatively small trans community.
Bullying was talked about a lot after Columbine, but so were violent movies and video games. They were never sure why those guys attacked the school. It was all speculation.i was bullied around that time and prior. Some even said I was part of the Trenchcoat Mafia. Deapite never wearing a trenchcoat.
I do not get why anyone wants drag queens to read to kids, or twerk for kids, or perform weird acts dressed in bondage gear for toddlers. It's really not a left vs right thing, but the media makes it out to be. There are plenty of people on the left who think it is bad, including a lot of LGBT people.
Maybe just continuing the traditions of Pantomimes and Mumming, which have featured drag acts and young girls playing the male lead for hundreds of years? They've always had some slightly raunchy humour to amuse the adults in the audience. You have that over there, right?
Or, and bear with me here, gun control!
I know the majority of the US people here would go for it, but it doesn’t happen, why? Have you given up on sanity? Capitulated to the crazies, or think it gives your children character and a head start in the future war to be afraid of every shadow on the wall, every dropped book, to have survived the school experience?
We had one school shooting, thought no, that shouldn’t be happening, and now it doesn’t, but then again, we don’t have our elected representatives toting assault weapons on Xmas cards, what would Jesus have done?
Yeah, liberals conceding defeat on the meaning of the second amendment really bothers me. It's clearly intended to allow for national defense in the days when we didn't have a standing army. Until recently this has repeated been affirmed in the SCOTUS.
Regulating guns the same way we regulate cars is completely compatible with Constitutional literalism.
What a pos...
Skipto 9:41
Banks
Maybe it was a dem crisis actor?
Being on the Qs
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/louisville-kentucky-shooting-1.6806037
What a pos...
Skipto 9:41
Banks
Maybe it was a dem crisis actor?
Being on the Qs
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/louisville-kentucky-shooting-1.6806037
Well it would terrible to penalize responsible gun owners. So what are they saying over at the self proclaimed voice of responsible gun ownership?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/apr/15/south-dakota-governor-kristi-noem-grandchild-guns-nra
OK, never mind.
What a pos...
Skipto 9:41
Banks
Maybe it was a dem crisis actor?
Being on the Qs
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/louisville-kentucky-shooting-1.6806037
Well it would terrible to penalize responsible gun owners. So what are they saying over at the self proclaimed voice of responsible gun ownership?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/apr/15/south-dakota-governor-kristi-noem-grandchild-guns-nra
OK, never mind.
Kids, not old enough to hold a gun, have a gun?
Thats either a big lie or someone is a very bad parent.
Like, I wouldn't give my 4 year old her own car right now.
en Raphael was on the ground, he shot him again." Those details were repeated Sunday by Lee Merritt, a civil rights lawyer representing Yarl's family.
https://www.npr.org/2023/04/17/1170479923/ralph-yarl-kansas-city-teen-shooting
Not a mass shooting but definitely a racist one.Quoteen Raphael was on the ground, he shot him again." Those details were repeated Sunday by Lee Merritt, a civil rights lawyer representing Yarl's family.
Like seriously... what kind of fucked up person do you have to be to go "Yeah, black teen at my door? Politely ringing the bell? Best shoot him. Then shoot him again if he twitches on the ground."
https://www.npr.org/2023/04/17/1170479923/ralph-yarl-kansas-city-teen-shooting
Not a mass shooting but definitely a racist one.Quoteen Raphael was on the ground, he shot him again." Those details were repeated Sunday by Lee Merritt, a civil rights lawyer representing Yarl's family.
Like seriously... what kind of fucked up person do you have to be to go "Yeah, black teen at my door? Politely ringing the bell? Best shoot him. Then shoot him again if he twitches on the ground."
Just don't get the wrong address because in any sane society that would be considered grounds for opening fire with lethal weaponry.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65307556
I remember a few years back going to Ireland, getting the directions wrong in the fog which included that the isolated house we were to stay in had the key in the door, I found a house with the key in the door and went in and there was an old couple sitting having tea.
I said, “I’m terribly sorry, I was looking for (the address).”
They said, “No bother love, it’s the next one about a hundred yards up the road on the right.”
I thanked them, apologised again, put the key on the side and left.
What is wrong with Europe that we can’t drum up a shoot out of such a flagrant breach of protocol?
What fun it must be to live in one that can.
Well yeah, if you focus on the guy that shot him for knocking on his door then it makes our country look insane. But you have to look at the big picture. Afterwards he went to three different houses to try to get someone to help him. Those people didn't shoot him.
I think it's just fair to point out that the takeaway here is that you only have a 25% chance of being shot for knocking on the wrong door.
A man has been charged with second-degree murder in the US after he allegedly shot and killed a 20-year-old woman as the car she was in mistakenly drove up the man's driveway.
Kaylin Gillis was with three other people in New York state on Saturday.
They accidentally drove into the driveway of Kevin Monahan in the town of Hebron, police say.
As the driver was leaving, Mr Monahan, 65, allegedly opened fire on the vehicle, hitting Ms Gillis.
"This is a very sad case of some young adults who were looking for a friend's house and ended up at this man's house who decided to come out with a firearm and discharge it," Washington Country Sheriff Jeffrey Murphy told a news conference.
The area is rural, and the driveways are poorly lit at night. None of the group had exited the vehicle or attempted to enter Mr Monahan's house before he allegedly opened fire, Mr Murphy said.
In addition to the four victims killed, 28 others were injured, Burkett said.
Total 32 shot?
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/17/us/dadeville-alabama-birthday-party-shooting-monday/index.html
But dont worry
Gun experts will tell you an assault rifle is automatic.
And ar15s are semi.
Full
Semi
Super critical apparently when shooting unarmed group of people vs clearing a room of soldiers.
No seriously Americans, don’t mistakenly, ring the doorbell of the wrong house, drive up the wrong drive or blunder into the wrong car, especially if you look as dangerous and threatening as this.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65330696
Two Texas cheerleaders shot after one gets into wrong car!
The joys of the 2nd amendment in all its bastardised glory. Are you really better of and safer with all those guns?
The guns seem to turn you guys into primitive animals. If your first instinct is to shoot some guy you dont know ringing your doorbell or a lady who pulled into your driveway you didn't expect or a girl who entered the wrong car by mistake or a child whose ball went over your yard, you sure dont seem like you feel safe. You seem like you live in perpetual fear
The joys of the 2nd amendment in all its bastardised glory. Are you really better of and safer with all those guns?
The guns seem to turn you guys into primitive animals. If your first instinct is to shoot some guy you dont know ringing your doorbell or a lady who pulled into your driveway you didn't expect or a girl who entered the wrong car by mistake or a child whose ball went over your yard, you sure dont seem like you feel safe. You seem like you live in perpetual fear
The joys of the 2nd amendment in all its bastardised glory. Are you really better of and safer with all those guns?
The guns seem to turn you guys into primitive animals. If your first instinct is to shoot some guy you dont know ringing your doorbell or a lady who pulled into your driveway you didn't expect or a girl who entered the wrong car by mistake or a child whose ball went over your yard, you sure dont seem like you feel safe. You seem like you live in perpetual fear
Well, yes. How the hell else are we supposed to defend ourselves from this epidemic of cheerleaders invading our cars?
I'm suggesting it's easier to claim self defense or standing my ground via lethal force rather than self defense via rape.
If Kyle Rittenhouse ending up raping the guy that tried to take his gun rather than shooting him I think the trial might have gone a different way.
To be clear I'm joking obviously. Mrs. Crouton drives the most generic minivan possible and I've accidently gotten into the wrong minivan multiple times. We have bumper stickers on it just to tell it apart since in any normal size parking lot there's usually about a dozen minivans that look exactly the same as ours.
Are you suggesting the cheerleader should be raped instead?
People keep saying it's the guns.. I'm changing my mind, I don't think it's just the guns, I think it's just that in America people are afraid, and they have access to guns.That doesn't explain why the dude went to the cheerleader's car and shot her. If it was fear, the danger passed.
It's just fear. When armed people are afraid, they do stupid things.
Anybody got a better theory?
People keep saying it's the guns.. I'm changing my mind, I don't think it's just the guns, I think it's just that in America people are afraid, and they have access to guns.
It's just fear. When armed people are afraid, they do stupid things.
Anybody got a better theory?
People keep saying it's the guns.. I'm changing my mind, I don't think it's just the guns, I think it's just that in America people are afraid, and they have access to guns.
It's just fear. When armed people are afraid, they do stupid things.
Anybody got a better theory?
Msm agrees
Fear porn culture
Not just fear
Its also
Spvereing citizenry
Its no fauci ouchy or you meet my gun.
Its no irs or tou meet my gun
Its selfdefnese shootfirst advertising and congress nonsense will protect your 2ndA speeches (they wont and dont).
The Covenant shooting was a tragedy beyond comprehension, & Tennesseans need clarity.
We’ve been in touch with the Nashville Police Department, & today, Chief Drake assured me that documents & information regarding the shooter will be released to the public very soon.
The manifesto will be released.
The manifesto will be released.
The manifesto will be released.
Why is that important? I would prefer that psycho mass murderers don't get publicity for their "manifesto's"
It's a small town, so it probably isn't illegal to shoot a gun in your front yard. It's not illegal where I live, either.
It's a small town, so it probably isn't illegal to shoot a gun in your front yard. It's not illegal where I live, either.
Must have alot of space or no neighbors in front, otherwise thats very dangerous.
What you need to know about Allen, Texas, mall shooting
A total of nine people, including the shooter, were killed Saturday night at a Dallas-area outlet mall.
The shooter was "neutralized" by a city police officer who was at the mall for an unrelated matter, police said.
Officials have not released the names of the shooter or any of the victims.
It will keep happening with increasing frequency and intensity for the foreseeable future. The state government of Texas has already released a statement where they pledge to do absolutely nothing while shutting down any possible measures to do something about this.
Also they added in thoughts and prayers.
I would think that the people of Texas would be outraged by this failure to manage any of this but I think in their minds they're starting to view these victims as human sacrifices to their religion of the Second Amendment.
I have a friend that's very big into guns. We had a conversation about gun control after the Uvalde massacre. I said I'm worried about the safety of my children when they're going to school. His suggestion was teaching them how to gunfight.
Do the gun nuts think that they can shoot incoming bullets out of the air?
I have a friend that's very big into guns. We had a conversation about gun control after the Uvalde massacre. I said I'm worried about the safety of my children when they're going to school. His suggestion was teaching them how to gunfight.Did he tell you to teach 'em to shoot and actually to carry a gun with them into the school or what? It makes sense to teach kids how to behave and what to do if, god forbid, something like that happens but for a kid to actually stop the attacker? That's some wild advice if you ask me
Do the gun nuts think that they can shoot incoming bullets out of the air?
I have a friend that's very big into guns. We had a conversation about gun control after the Uvalde massacre. I said I'm worried about the safety of my children when they're going to school. His suggestion was teaching them how to gunfight.Did he tell you to teach 'em to shoot and actually to carry a gun with them into the school or what? It makes sense to teach kids how to behave and what to do if, god forbid, something like that happens but for a kid to actually stop the attacker? That's some wild advice if you ask me
Do the gun nuts think that they can shoot incoming bullets out of the air?
The gunman behind the second-deadliest US mass shooting of the year was terminated from the Army due to health concerns and may have been driven by right-wing extremism, sources told CNN.
It's interesting what he says about mental health in Texas. I'm having trouble finding exactly what they've done.
Apparently Texas is ranked last in mental healthcare for children.
I've found a 15 million dollar bill. https://www.texastribune.org/2023/04/13/texas-senate-mental-health-children/
This is some genius tier solutions. Just train all students to be combat medics. Hell why don't they just rotate kids through the front lines in Ukraine? While they're at it why not require plate carriers in the school dress code?
https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/texas-bill-proposes-bleeding-stations-in-schools-therapist-warns-of-mental-health-impacts
I can't find any source besides the governor which says they've increased mental health funding by 25 billion. As far as I can tell they're going to need to more than double the amount they spend now to be mediocre in mental health care. https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/states-who-spend-the-most-on-mental-health-funding.html
I never knew that Nazism and white supremacy was so popular in central and south american countries. (I'm not being sarcastic, I really didn't know)Didn't quite a few Nazis escape Germany to South America at the end of the war? I've always heard that to be the case but never actually looked into it to see if it were true.
They exist. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Fuentes. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense but it is a thing.
It's not quite as nonsensical as Clayton Bigsby.
Maybe they just think, eh Latino, close enough to white. And what the hell is a Latino supremacist? Best to join an existing franchise to avoid the cost of a new startup.
School starts in a month and you know what that means. It's time to shop for bulletproof backpacks.Unless you're Republican, then you gotta go back to school gun shopping. So your kid can defend themselves against any shooter.
This is not a joke.
I have a friend who seriously suggested that as a strategy.
Do these people think that they can shoot an incoming bullet or something?
Officials are urging residents to keep sheltering in place Friday as an intensive manhunt continues for a suspect in Wednesday's shooting rampage in Lewiston, Maine, that left at least 18 dead and 13 injured, according to authorities.
Robert Card, 40, is facing an arrest warrant for eight counts of murder and should be considered armed and dangerous, police said. He is a certified firearms instructor and a member of the US Army Reserves, police said – and his background could make the effort to find him both challenging and dangerous, experts told CNN.
We will never end gun violence until white woman in the suburbs stop voting for the republicans who are endangering our schools and communities by flooding them with guns.
https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/lewiston-maine-mass-shootings-10-27-23/index.htmlQuoteOfficials are urging residents to keep sheltering in place Friday as an intensive manhunt continues for a suspect in Wednesday's shooting rampage in Lewiston, Maine, that left at least 18 dead and 13 injured, according to authorities.
Robert Card, 40, is facing an arrest warrant for eight counts of murder and should be considered armed and dangerous, police said. He is a certified firearms instructor and a member of the US Army Reserves, police said – and his background could make the effort to find him both challenging and dangerous, experts told CNN.
https://x.com/davidhogg111/status/1717911122232127716?s=20QuoteWe will never end gun violence until white woman in the suburbs stop voting for the republicans who are endangering our schools and communities by flooding them with guns.
Man murders a bunch of people, white women to blame.
Only the white women, though. He wouldn't get any likes if he blamed all women.
Prague shooting: Gunman dead after killing more than 15 at Charles University
More than 15 people have been killed and 24 injured in a shooting at a university in Prague, officials say.
Police said the gunman had also been "eliminated" following the shooting at Charles University - the deadliest attack in modern Czech history.
Prime Minister Petr Fiala said he had cancelled upcoming engagements in light of the "tragic events" on Thursday.
University staff were told to stay put, barricade themselves in rooms and turn off the lights.
Footage has emerged on social video showing terrified crowds fleeing the area popular with tourists.
Police received first reports of shooting at the university's Faculty of Arts on Jan Palach Square in the centre of the capital after 15:00 local time (14:00 GMT).
At a briefing later on Thursday, the police and city authorities said the gunman was a student at the faculty.
They said he was a 24-year-old from a village 21km (13 miles) outside Prague. The suspect's father had been found dead earlier on Thursday.
The gunman's motives were not immediately known.