Another mass shooting...

Seriously, I don't know why someone in America hasn't created a school mass shooting point of view online game? Mass shootings in schools seems to be America's favorite passtime, sending their children to school to get their brains blown out.

They did.
Sort of.

Factory shooitng in maryland

We need to harden these softtragets

Get better doors

Line workers need to start carrying

Thoughts andnprayers



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Factory shooitng in maryland

We need to harden these softtragets

Get better doors

Line workers need to start carrying

Thoughts andnprayers



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You forgot banning abortion, ban violent video games and turn to jesus - We need to swaddle 'Merica in the moral fabric of Christ. It's the only way. As well as arming 68 year old Mrs. Perkins, 4th grade math teacher at Middletown Elementary school. She has expressed a deep interest in in close quarter small arms firefight training, Fahlujah style.

Recently visited a few of my friends in Vegas.  Very big into guns but otherwise reasonable.  I made an effort to avoid talking about guns but it comes out eventually.  It doesn't help that I still want to yell at people over that Uvalde incident.

Some ideas that I think we generally agreed on;

Do a better job enforcing existing gun laws.
Background checks are a good thing.
It's impractical to go the Australian route but we still need some restrictions.
Maybe raise the age to buy firearms.
Arming teachers is not a solution.

Some things they believe that I can't quite seem to convince them of otherwise;

The liberals want to take away all the guns.
A baseball bat is just as dangerous as a gun.
A car is just as dangerous as a gun.
If we ban guns then they'll use bombs instead. (wtf?)
Every country has roughly as many mass shootings as we do.
The police did nothing wrong in Uvalde.

"The police did nothing wrong in Uvalde" surprises me. Most of the conservatives I see online think they did.

They sound like crazy people.
Get new friends.
Come to canada
We can hang out.

So this video is from christmas
But apparently the teacher friends are talking about how its happening now in teen circles here in the toronto area which is why these idiot teens are doing this


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/schools-pellet-gun-shootings-teens-1.6471844

Crouton, your friends in Vegas are red neck gun nuts. But, you know that already.

Gun reform still isn't even on America's radar.

The Police in Uvalde did screw up. They treated it as a siege situation instead of an active armed offender situation through to the end. First response police are supposed to be trained to arrive wearing bullet proof vests, and not pause, but keep moving in, until they locate the armed offender and remove the threat. 

It's true.  But they're good guys.  They'd probably give me a kidney if I asked.  It's just this particular issue where we disagree.

The sad part is, this isn't even news in America anymore. It's just the day to day life and accepted risk.

I was in Australia when Iran/Contra broke open.  Australian news made it seem like America was  going to collapse into a third world shit pit.  I was wondering if I would have a country to come home to. 

Turned out to be fuck you. 

You third world monkeys have nothing better to do than bitch about shit outside your borders.

Solidly pathetic.


PS Aussies,  best 5 weeks of my life. 

https://abcnews.go.com/ABCNews/senate-group-agrees-broad-outline-gun-law-uvalde/story

A bipartisan group of senators on Sunday announced an agreement had been reached -- though in principle only -- on new legislation meant to address the country's ongoing gun violence, including the recent Uvalde, Texas, elementary school shooting.

The deal, in the works for weeks, has the support of at least 10 Republicans in the Senate, which is the number needed to avoid a filibuster.

If passed, the proposal would be the first major gun law to make it through Congress in years.

Among other things, the agreement would provide funding for mental health (including behavioral health centers) and incentives for the creation of so-called "red flag" laws to remove firearms from people who are a danger to themselves or others; increase money for school safety; and strengthen the federal background check system as it relates to convicted domestic violence abusers or those with restraining orders.

Potential gun owners under 21 would also be subject to "an investigative period to review juvenile and mental health records, including checks with state databases and local law enforcement," the bipartisan group said Sunday.

A bipartisan gun law in my America?!!

It's true.  But they're good guys.  They'd probably give me a kidney if I asked.  It's just this particular issue where we disagree.

It's all fun and games until you bring mental health into the picture, or immaturity and inexperience. Guns aren't referred to as lethal weapons, for nothing.

Not quite as strong as I'd prefer.  I would have liked to see the minimum age for buying any gun set to 21.  But this bill has some good things in it.  Particularly closing the boyfriend loophole.

Good.
I doubt it'll make it through but good anyway.

Not quite as strong as I'd prefer.  I would have liked to see the minimum age for buying any gun set to 21.  But this bill has some good things in it.  Particularly closing the boyfriend loophole.

I think you should be 32 to buy a gun.  Seriously, that will fix everything. 

Quote from: Crouton on June 12, 2022, 08:12:36 PM

Not quite as strong as I'd prefer.  I would have liked to see the minimum age for buying any gun set to 21.  But this bill has some good things in it.  Particularly closing the boyfriend loophole.

I think you should be 32 to buy a gun.  Seriously, that will fix everything.

no
you should be part of a well regulated militia if you want a gun for defense of the state.

and if you want a gun for fun, then you should be licensed, insured, registered, and periodically checked up on that the gun is still in your possession.

Quote from: Crouton on June 12, 2022, 08:12:36 PM

Not quite as strong as I'd prefer.  I would have liked to see the minimum age for buying any gun set to 21.  But this bill has some good things in it.  Particularly closing the boyfriend loophole.

I think you should be 32 to buy a gun.  Seriously, that will fix everything.

Going thr Australia route will fix everything. I'm trying to be practical.

Quote from: Bullwinkle on June 13, 2022, 09:03:57 AM

Quote from: Crouton on June 12, 2022, 08:12:36 PM

Not quite as strong as I'd prefer.  I would have liked to see the minimum age for buying any gun set to 21.  But this bill has some good things in it.  Particularly closing the boyfriend loophole.

I think you should be 32 to buy a gun.  Seriously, that will fix everything.

no
you should be part of a well regulated militia if you want a gun for defense of the state.

and if you want a gun for fun, then you should be licensed, insured, registered, and periodically checked up on that the gun is still in your possession.

Shall not be infringed.  Self explanatory.

Regulated meant outfitted.  Militia meant adult male.

A well regulated militia is every adult man with every weapon we have on hand. 

 
It's just hilarious what your convoluted addled brain confuses with reality. 



How about Ukraine?  Luck thing they have guns and rockets, right?


Yep . . .

Quote from: Themightykabool on June 13, 2022, 09:09:52 AM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on June 13, 2022, 09:03:57 AM

Quote from: Crouton on June 12, 2022, 08:12:36 PM

Not quite as strong as I'd prefer.  I would have liked to see the minimum age for buying any gun set to 21.  But this bill has some good things in it.  Particularly closing the boyfriend loophole.

I think you should be 32 to buy a gun.  Seriously, that will fix everything.

no
you should be part of a well regulated militia if you want a gun for defense of the state.

and if you want a gun for fun, then you should be licensed, insured, registered, and periodically checked up on that the gun is still in your possession.

Shall not be infringed.  Self explanatory.

Regulated meant outfitted.  Militia meant adult male.

A well regulated militia is every adult man with every weapon we have on hand. 

 
It's just hilarious what your convoluted addled brain confuses with reality. 



How about Ukraine?  Luck thing they have guns and rockets, right?


Yep . . .

But they didn't until being invaded.
All those people with guns are soliders in a war.  And last I checked, America isn't being invaded or have a civil war.

Quote from: Bullwinkle on June 13, 2022, 09:03:57 AM

Quote from: Crouton on June 12, 2022, 08:12:36 PM

Not quite as strong as I'd prefer.  I would have liked to see the minimum age for buying any gun set to 21.  But this bill has some good things in it.  Particularly closing the boyfriend loophole.

I think you should be 32 to buy a gun.  Seriously, that will fix everything.

Going thr Australia route will fix everything. I'm trying to be practical.

Owning a gun in Australia is no big deal,  you just need to belong to a sporting shooting club, or be a farmer who has a need to control animal pests. 
Lots of clubs around, including pistol clubs and clay target clubs,  the rules are pretty strict regarding storage and transport of guns and ammunition.  Ammunition must be stored in separate locked storage, guns in another locked safe storage.  Police can call in unannounced and ask to see your guns and ammunition are stored correctly.

Carrying a gun or any other weapon for that matter in public is an offence.   You can't walk down the street swinging a samauri sword, you'll get arrested.  Waving a shotgun around will end up the same.  Even carrying an unsecured loaded gun in the boot of your car will get you fined. 

Semi automatic weapons are mostly illegal, but there are licence classes that allow semi-automatic weapons.   

We have no shortage of psycho anti-social nutters,  we just don't let them have guns, or at least make it difficult.
 

Quote from: Themightykabool on June 13, 2022, 09:09:52 AM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on June 13, 2022, 09:03:57 AM

Quote from: Crouton on June 12, 2022, 08:12:36 PM

Not quite as strong as I'd prefer.  I would have liked to see the minimum age for buying any gun set to 21.  But this bill has some good things in it.  Particularly closing the boyfriend loophole.

I think you should be 32 to buy a gun.  Seriously, that will fix everything.

no
you should be part of a well regulated militia if you want a gun for defense of the state.

and if you want a gun for fun, then you should be licensed, insured, registered, and periodically checked up on that the gun is still in your possession.

Militia meant adult male.

I have never heard this term used this way.  Was it an extremely specific use of the term created exclusvie for the Supreme Court to decided Columbia Vs. Keller?

I'm not sure how "Militia" was defined back in the late 1780's. But if it refers exclusively to adult males, I guess Constitutionally, males under the age of adulthood and all women are not allowed to bear muskets & flintlock pistols (arms).

Militia meant adult male.

Right.  So why didn't they just say "men"?  As that is the collective noun for adult males.

Do you use the word that way?  If someone asks what that bar you went to was like do you go "Well, it was OK, not many women - just militia mainly"

Quote from: Bullwinkle on June 13, 2022, 08:22:37 PM

Militia meant adult male.

Right.  So why didn't they just say "men"?  As that is the collective noun for adult males.

Do you use the word that way?  If someone asks what that bar you went to was like do you go "Well, it was OK, not many women - just militia mainly"

He uses 'militia' and 'men' synonymously like Amber Heard uses 'pledge' and 'donated' synonymously lol

 last I checked, America isn't being invaded or have a civil war.

According to some it is on the southern border and by commie libs.

And soon if the "tyranny doesnt stop".

Quote from: Themightykabool on June 13, 2022, 09:09:52 AM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on June 13, 2022, 09:03:57 AM

Quote from: Crouton on June 12, 2022, 08:12:36 PM

Not quite as strong as I'd prefer.  I would have liked to see the minimum age for buying any gun set to 21.  But this bill has some good things in it.  Particularly closing the boyfriend loophole.

I think you should be 32 to buy a gun.  Seriously, that will fix everything.

no
you should be part of a well regulated militia if you want a gun for defense of the state.

and if you want a gun for fun, then you should be licensed, insured, registered, and periodically checked up on that the gun is still in your possession.

Shall not be infringed.  Self explanatory.

Regulated meant outfitted.  Militia meant adult male.

A well regulated militia is every adult man with every weapon we have on hand. 

 
It's just hilarious what your convoluted addled brain confuses with reality. 



How about Ukraine?  Luck thing they have guns and rockets, right?


Yep . . .

A well regulated militia is necessary to keep the state free.

The people will form the well regulated militia.


States have a well regulated militia made up of The-People.

The-Person polishing his gun in his moms basement is not not well regulated.
Self regulation is not well regulation.



Bob is part of the states militia.
jim is not.
Bob gets a gun.
Jim does not.
SHTF jim can ask bob for a gun, but if bob deems jim a liability, he can refuse to give him the gun.

Quote from: Bullwinkle on June 13, 2022, 09:03:57 AM

Quote from: Crouton on June 12, 2022, 08:12:36 PM

Not quite as strong as I'd prefer.  I would have liked to see the minimum age for buying any gun set to 21.  But this bill has some good things in it.  Particularly closing the boyfriend loophole.

I think you should be 32 to buy a gun.  Seriously, that will fix everything.

Going thr Australia route will fix everything. I'm trying to be practical.

If you're trying to be practical, have a look at when Australia's last mass shooting was. So, yes, going the Australian route WILL fix everything.

Rayzor nails it with his post, also.

That's the difference between Australia and America. In Australia, all measures are put in place to keep guns out of maniacs hands. Americans seem to think it's a god given right for all people including maniacs, to have a loaded gun.

While yes a total banning of guns, aussie style, would work, it also doesnt unless theres buy in from the people

Aussie had buy in
Usa does not

Quote from: Crouton on June 13, 2022, 09:15:00 AM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on June 13, 2022, 09:03:57 AM

Quote from: Crouton on June 12, 2022, 08:12:36 PM

Not quite as strong as I'd prefer.  I would have liked to see the minimum age for buying any gun set to 21.  But this bill has some good things in it.  Particularly closing the boyfriend loophole.

I think you should be 32 to buy a gun.  Seriously, that will fix everything.

Going thr Australia route will fix everything. I'm trying to be practical.

If you're trying to be practical, have a look at when Australia's last mass shooting was. So, yes, going the Australian route WILL fix everything.

Rayzor nails it with his post, also.

That's the difference between Australia and America. In Australia, all measures are put in place to keep guns out of maniacs hands. Americans seem to think it's a god given right for all people including maniacs, to have a loaded gun.

You just illustrated why it's not practical to do here what was done in Australia.  Half the population is so brainwashed by Fox News that they'll likely started murdering anyone they suspect wants to take their guns.

Australia nipped that shitty gum culture bullshit in the bud before it was too late. It's too late for America

Hell, the repug politicians there don't even want background checks because they think having a gun is a divine right. What a fucked up mindset