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Re: Another mass shooting...
« Reply #150 on: November 08, 2017, 01:05:30 PM »
How about enforcing current laws PLUS new laws, such as prohibiting sale of semi automatics?
I'm all for common sense gun laws, but I don't think that semiautomatics should be banned outright.  However, I can see a case for limiting/banning high capacity magazines.

What's a use for semiautomatics that makes up for the risk?

The allowence of quick follow up shots in case the furst round didn't stopped the threats or in the case of multiple threats.

How many people can a gunner kill with a pistol or a shotgun and how many can he kill with a semi automatic rifle before he is neutralized/out of ammo?
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« Reply #151 on: November 08, 2017, 01:31:13 PM »
Banning pistols might actually go a long way toward reducing homicides.

I would like to see evidence.
Pistols seem to be used in quite a few cases of homicide and also gang related violence. Pistols can be easily concealed while it'd be more difficult to conceal a long arm. Thus, if gangsters can't hide their weapon, they may be less likely to openly carry one reducing homicides in the process.

Yeah, I've been wondering about this also. The Swiss were mentioned a while back. I wonder if the those military firearms are all rifles.
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« Reply #152 on: November 08, 2017, 04:47:24 PM »
Banning pistols might actually go a long way toward reducing homicides.

I would like to see evidence.
Pistols seem to be used in quite a few cases of homicide and also gang related violence. Pistols can be easily concealed while it'd be more difficult to conceal a long arm. Thus, if gangsters can't hide their weapon, they may be less likely to openly carry one reducing homicides in the process.

Has any country had their homicide rate go down because they banned handguns?
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« Reply #153 on: November 08, 2017, 04:50:17 PM »
How about enforcing current laws PLUS new laws, such as prohibiting sale of semi automatics?
I'm all for common sense gun laws, but I don't think that semiautomatics should be banned outright.  However, I can see a case for limiting/banning high capacity magazines.

What's a use for semiautomatics that makes up for the risk?

The allowence of quick follow up shots in case the furst round didn't stopped the threats or in the case of multiple threats.

How many people can a gunner kill with a pistol or a shotgun and how many can he kill with a semi automatic rifle before he is neutralized/out of ammo?

Pistols ARE semi automatic and in fact, the third largest mass shooting was done with ten round magazines and pistols, 60% of all mass shootings are done with pistols, the Navy yard shooter used a shotgun.
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Re: Another mass shooting...
« Reply #154 on: November 08, 2017, 06:07:23 PM »
How about enforcing current laws PLUS new laws, such as prohibiting sale of semi automatics?
I'm all for common sense gun laws, but I don't think that semiautomatics should be banned outright.  However, I can see a case for limiting/banning high capacity magazines.

What's a use for semiautomatics that makes up for the risk?

The allowence of quick follow up shots in case the furst round didn't stopped the threats or in the case of multiple threats.

How many people can a gunner kill with a pistol or a shotgun and how many can he kill with a semi automatic rifle before he is neutralized/out of ammo?

Pistols ARE semi automatic and in fact, the third largest mass shooting was done with ten round magazines and pistols, 60% of all mass shootings are done with pistols, the Navy yard shooter used a shotgun.
So 60% of mass shootings are carried out by pistols, yet banning pistols wouldn't reduce homocides? That sounds fishy.
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« Reply #155 on: November 08, 2017, 07:07:07 PM »
How about enforcing current laws PLUS new laws, such as prohibiting sale of semi automatics?
I'm all for common sense gun laws, but I don't think that semiautomatics should be banned outright.  However, I can see a case for limiting/banning high capacity magazines.

What's a use for semiautomatics that makes up for the risk?

The allowence of quick follow up shots in case the furst round didn't stopped the threats or in the case of multiple threats.

How many people can a gunner kill with a pistol or a shotgun and how many can he kill with a semi automatic rifle before he is neutralized/out of ammo?

Pistols ARE semi automatic and in fact, the third largest mass shooting was done with ten round magazines and pistols, 60% of all mass shootings are done with pistols, the Navy yard shooter used a shotgun.
So 60% of mass shootings are carried out by pistols, yet banning pistols wouldn't reduce homocides? That sounds fishy.

Because it has never been observed in other countries. We have the highest number of guns in the world yet we don't even make the top ten list. In fact guns sales have gone up while violent crime (including murder) has gone down. I'm not saying it's because we have so many guns but I am saying that this goes against the myth of more guns equal more crime.
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Re: Another mass shooting...
« Reply #156 on: November 08, 2017, 07:32:35 PM »
Because it has never been observed in other countries. We have the highest number of guns in the world yet we don't even make the top ten list.
To which top ten list are you referring?  Mass shootings?
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« Reply #157 on: November 08, 2017, 10:18:20 PM »
Here we can see the average american citizen [3:56]:

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Re: Another mass shooting...
« Reply #158 on: November 09, 2017, 04:26:08 AM »
How about enforcing current laws PLUS new laws, such as prohibiting sale of semi automatics?
I'm all for common sense gun laws, but I don't think that semiautomatics should be banned outright.  However, I can see a case for limiting/banning high capacity magazines.

What's a use for semiautomatics that makes up for the risk?

The allowence of quick follow up shots in case the furst round didn't stopped the threats or in the case of multiple threats.

How many people can a gunner kill with a pistol or a shotgun and how many can he kill with a semi automatic rifle before he is neutralized/out of ammo?

Pistols ARE semi automatic and in fact, the third largest mass shooting was done with ten round magazines and pistols, 60% of all mass shootings are done with pistols, the Navy yard shooter used a shotgun.
So 60% of mass shootings are carried out by pistols, yet banning pistols wouldn't reduce homocides? That sounds fishy.

Because it has never been observed in other countries. We have the highest number of guns in the world yet we don't even make the top ten list. In fact guns sales have gone up while violent crime (including murder) has gone down. I'm not saying it's because we have so many guns but I am saying that this goes against the myth of more guns equal more crime.

This is like saying "We smoke more cigarretes than [insert third world country] but we live longer" and then, after someone discovers a cure to all heart diseases you say "cigarette sales have gone up, but life expectancy has also increased" and use that as an argument for how smoking doesn't reduce life expectancy.
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Re: Another mass shooting...
« Reply #159 on: November 09, 2017, 04:28:52 AM »
How about enforcing current laws PLUS new laws, such as prohibiting sale of semi automatics?
I'm all for common sense gun laws, but I don't think that semiautomatics should be banned outright.  However, I can see a case for limiting/banning high capacity magazines.

What's a use for semiautomatics that makes up for the risk?

The allowence of quick follow up shots in case the furst round didn't stopped the threats or in the case of multiple threats.

How many people can a gunner kill with a pistol or a shotgun and how many can he kill with a semi automatic rifle before he is neutralized/out of ammo?

Pistols ARE semi automatic and in fact, the third largest mass shooting was done with ten round magazines and pistols, 60% of all mass shootings are done with pistols, the Navy yard shooter used a shotgun.

Wait, what do you call the non-semi automatic handguns? My English is failing me.
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« Reply #160 on: November 09, 2017, 04:53:20 AM »
Wait, what do you call the non-semi automatic handguns? My English is failing me.
I think that's only single-action revolvers. All other handguns use the recoil to chamber a new bullet (and double-action revolvers chamber the bullet with the press of the trigger, before firing).
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Re: Another mass shooting...
« Reply #161 on: November 09, 2017, 05:26:45 AM »
Wait, what do you call the non-semi automatic handguns? My English is failing me.
I think that's only single-action revolvers. All other handguns use the recoil to chamber a new bullet (and double-action revolvers chamber the bullet with the press of the trigger, before firing).

Yeah, that's the one. Revolvers. Semi automatics and high capacity magazines aren't very useful for self defense and you can hunt just fine without them. Like seriously, who hunts with an AK-47? On the other hand, they make killing a lot of people much easier. 
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« Reply #162 on: November 09, 2017, 05:33:23 AM »
Wait, what do you call the non-semi automatic handguns? My English is failing me.
I think that's only single-action revolvers. All other handguns use the recoil to chamber a new bullet (and double-action revolvers chamber the bullet with the press of the trigger, before firing).

Don't forget muzzle loaders. 

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« Reply #163 on: November 09, 2017, 05:34:13 AM »
Wait, what do you call the non-semi automatic handguns? My English is failing me.
I think that's only single-action revolvers. All other handguns use the recoil to chamber a new bullet (and double-action revolvers chamber the bullet with the press of the trigger, before firing).

Yeah, that's the one. Revolvers. Semi automatics and high capacity magazines aren't very useful for self defense and you can hunt just fine without them. Like seriously, who hunts with an AK-47? On the other hand, they make killing a lot of people much easier. 

What if you have to defend yourself against a lot of badguys all at once?

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Re: Another mass shooting...
« Reply #164 on: November 09, 2017, 05:35:53 AM »
Wait, what do you call the non-semi automatic handguns? My English is failing me.
I think that's only single-action revolvers. All other handguns use the recoil to chamber a new bullet (and double-action revolvers chamber the bullet with the press of the trigger, before firing).

Yeah, that's the one. Revolvers. Semi automatics and high capacity magazines aren't very useful for self defense and you can hunt just fine without them. Like seriously, who hunts with an AK-47? On the other hand, they make killing a lot of people much easier. 

What if you have to defend yourself against a lot of badguys all at once?
Yeah, exactely, for example against a few thousands angry, bad people at a country concert?!
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« Reply #165 on: November 09, 2017, 05:37:12 AM »
Because it has never been observed in other countries. We have the highest number of guns in the world yet we don't even make the top ten list.
To which top ten list are you referring?  Mass shootings?
DD asked for murder rates in general. However, statistically speaking, we don't even make the top ten in mass shootings either.

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« Reply #166 on: November 09, 2017, 05:40:47 AM »
Wait, what do you call the non-semi automatic handguns? My English is failing me.
I think that's only single-action revolvers. All other handguns use the recoil to chamber a new bullet (and double-action revolvers chamber the bullet with the press of the trigger, before firing).

Yeah, that's the one. Revolvers. Semi automatics and high capacity magazines aren't very useful for self defense and you can hunt just fine without them. Like seriously, who hunts with an AK-47? On the other hand, they make killing a lot of people much easier. 

What if you have to defend yourself against a lot of badguys all at once?
Yeah, exactely, for example against a few thousands angry, bad people at a country concert?!

I don't think you or I should belittle the worst mass shooting in American history.  If you want to discuss this important subject without standing on people's graves, I would be more than happy.

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« Reply #167 on: November 09, 2017, 05:42:32 AM »


This is like saying "We smoke more cigarretes than [insert third world country] but we live longer" and then, after someone discovers a cure to all heart diseases you say "cigarette sales have gone up, but life expectancy has also increased" and use that as an argument for how smoking doesn't reduce life expectancy.

That would only be true if guns have been proven to be a direct link to crime rates and have no beneficial purpose to it. Neither of which is true.
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« Reply #168 on: November 09, 2017, 05:43:43 AM »
Wait, what do you call the non-semi automatic handguns? My English is failing me.
I think that's only single-action revolvers. All other handguns use the recoil to chamber a new bullet (and double-action revolvers chamber the bullet with the press of the trigger, before firing).

Yeah, that's the one. Revolvers. Semi automatics and high capacity magazines aren't very useful for self defense and you can hunt just fine without them. Like seriously, who hunts with an AK-47? On the other hand, they make killing a lot of people much easier. 

What if you have to defend yourself against a lot of badguys all at once?
Yeah, exactely, for example against a few thousands angry, bad people at a country concert?!

I don't think you or I should belittle the worst mass shooting in American history.  If you want to discuss this important subject without standing on people's graves, I would be more than happy.
Yeah you're right, let's respect all the people hurt at the vegas shooting by buying semi-automatic guns.
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Re: Another mass shooting...
« Reply #169 on: November 09, 2017, 05:44:41 AM »
Wait, what do you call the non-semi automatic handguns? My English is failing me.
I think that's only single-action revolvers. All other handguns use the recoil to chamber a new bullet (and double-action revolvers chamber the bullet with the press of the trigger, before firing).

Yeah, that's the one. Revolvers. Semi automatics and high capacity magazines aren't very useful for self defense and you can hunt just fine without them. Like seriously, who hunts with an AK-47? On the other hand, they make killing a lot of people much easier. 

What if you have to defend yourself against a lot of badguys all at once?

How common are wild west shootouts in modern America?
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« Reply #170 on: November 09, 2017, 05:46:06 AM »


This is like saying "We smoke more cigarretes than [insert third world country] but we live longer" and then, after someone discovers a cure to all heart diseases you say "cigarette sales have gone up, but life expectancy has also increased" and use that as an argument for how smoking doesn't reduce life expectancy.

That would only be true if guns have been proven to be a direct link to crime rates and have no beneficial purpose to it. Neither of which is true.

But they are proven to have a direct link to crime rates... And cigarettes still have a "beneficial purpose" to them...
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« Reply #171 on: November 09, 2017, 05:52:03 AM »
Wait, what do you call the non-semi automatic handguns? My English is failing me.
I think that's only single-action revolvers. All other handguns use the recoil to chamber a new bullet (and double-action revolvers chamber the bullet with the press of the trigger, before firing).

Yeah, that's the one. Revolvers. Semi automatics and high capacity magazines aren't very useful for self defense and you can hunt just fine without them. Like seriously, who hunts with an AK-47? On the other hand, they make killing a lot of people much easier. 

What if you have to defend yourself against a lot of badguys all at once?
Yeah, exactely, for example against a few thousands angry, bad people at a country concert?!

I don't think you or I should belittle the worst mass shooting in American history.  If you want to discuss this important subject without standing on people's graves, I would be more than happy.
Yeah you're right, let's respect all the people hurt at the vegas shooting by buying semi-automatic guns.

Perhaps you should find some childrens graves to preach off of, while you are at it?  I thought that was the favorite place for bleeding heart liberals to push their political adgendas.

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« Reply #172 on: November 09, 2017, 05:55:31 AM »
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« Reply #173 on: November 09, 2017, 05:56:45 AM »
Wait, what do you call the non-semi automatic handguns? My English is failing me.
I think that's only single-action revolvers. All other handguns use the recoil to chamber a new bullet (and double-action revolvers chamber the bullet with the press of the trigger, before firing).

Yeah, that's the one. Revolvers. Semi automatics and high capacity magazines aren't very useful for self defense and you can hunt just fine without them. Like seriously, who hunts with an AK-47? On the other hand, they make killing a lot of people much easier. 

What if you have to defend yourself against a lot of badguys all at once?

How common are wild west shootouts in modern America?

Cowboys are not known for their semi-autos, now are they?

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« Reply #174 on: November 09, 2017, 06:00:09 AM »
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Your answers only proof your cognitive dissonance.

At least I don't try to soap-box by pointing at dead childred, you sick f*ck.  Are you sure your name is not Piers Morgan?

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« Reply #175 on: November 09, 2017, 06:01:09 AM »
How about enforcing current laws PLUS new laws, such as prohibiting sale of semi automatics?
I'm all for common sense gun laws, but I don't think that semiautomatics should be banned outright.  However, I can see a case for limiting/banning high capacity magazines.

What's a use for semiautomatics that makes up for the risk?

The allowence of quick follow up shots in case the furst round didn't stopped the threats or in the case of multiple threats.

How many people can a gunner kill with a pistol or a shotgun and how many can he kill with a semi automatic rifle before he is neutralized/out of ammo?

Pistols ARE semi automatic and in fact, the third largest mass shooting was done with ten round magazines and pistols, 60% of all mass shootings are done with pistols, the Navy yard shooter used a shotgun.

Wait, what do you call the non-semi automatic handguns? My English is failing me.

Pistols are a sub-catagory of handguns. There are single and double action revolvers and flintlock pistols. Most modern handguns are either semi auto or double action which elumate semi auto fire.
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« Reply #176 on: November 09, 2017, 06:03:12 AM »
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Your answers only proof your cognitive dissonance.

At least I don't try to soap-box by pointing at dead childred, you sick f*ck.  Are you sure your name is not Piers Morgan?
As I said.
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« Reply #177 on: November 09, 2017, 06:04:29 AM »
Wait, what do you call the non-semi automatic handguns? My English is failing me.
I think that's only single-action revolvers. All other handguns use the recoil to chamber a new bullet (and double-action revolvers chamber the bullet with the press of the trigger, before firing).

Yeah, that's the one. Revolvers. Semi automatics and high capacity magazines aren't very useful for self defense and you can hunt just fine without them. Like seriously, who hunts with an AK-47? On the other hand, they make killing a lot of people much easier.

What are you talking about? Pistols are perfect for self defense. Ifthe badguy wasn't stopped by the first round or you have multiple attackers then you have the ammo to sustain yourself in the fight. It's the same reason why police have the very same pistols ypu want to ban.
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« Reply #178 on: November 09, 2017, 06:05:12 AM »
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Your answers only proof your cognitive dissonance.

At least I don't try to soap-box by pointing at dead childred, you sick f*ck.  Are you sure your name is not Piers Morgan?
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« Reply #179 on: November 09, 2017, 06:06:33 AM »


This is like saying "We smoke more cigarretes than [insert third world country] but we live longer" and then, after someone discovers a cure to all heart diseases you say "cigarette sales have gone up, but life expectancy has also increased" and use that as an argument for how smoking doesn't reduce life expectancy.

That would only be true if guns have been proven to be a direct link to crime rates and have no beneficial purpose to it. Neither of which is true.

But they are proven to have a direct link to crime rates... And cigarettes still have a "beneficial purpose" to them...

Please provide your "proof" and there is no benefit to cigarettes.
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