Another mass shooting...

If cops shoot the hostage there is no chance of saving the hostage.
They could have backed away and waited.

If cops would just wait, people get tired and eventually just give up.
Let the adrenaline wear off.

I've seen car chases where they just follow until the driver realizes the game is over.
Driver pulls over, gets out and lays out flat.

Aggressive Policing causes aggressive resistance.
Nobody wants to go to jail.

Wait the crook out. They will give up.

I absolutely agree with you, SCG.

I believe that was the policy not long ago.  History tells us that when cops start shooting at robbers then a lot of innocent bystanders tend to get shot. 

Ironically it's all the attention that mass shootings have gotten lately that prompted a policy change which leads to more gun fights between cops and the people they're chasing.

If cops shoot the hostage there is no chance of saving the hostage.
They could have backed away and waited.

Backed away and waited while they were getting shot at by the suspects?

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on December 07, 2019, 07:52:56 AM

It's so weird to me that the more heavily armed the police become the worse their training gets. They should be spending more time training, and weeding out people who don't belong.

There is a reason for it: the job sucks.
Bad hours.  People who could kill you in the blink of an eye.  Constant state of hypervigilence. 

So what can you do but hire people who shouldn't be cops just so you have enough people.

I don't believe that. Lots of jobs suck. People could kill you in the blink of an eye while you're buying groceries. Being a police officer isn't even in the top 10 most dangerous jobs in the US.

The people who would be good police are probably turned off by the corruption of it all. Why would a good human being want to work at a job that regularly steals from citizens? Where their coworkers get away with murder and rape? Where speaking out against corruption can get you killed? They are actively making this job unattractive to the very people who would be best for the job.

Quote from: JerkFace on December 07, 2019, 03:38:18 AM

You haven't read Douglass Adams?    I'm dissapointed.

I've never heard the name.

Does he influence your vote?

Probably,  but only if I keep my sense of humor.   

On the subject of Presidents,   his view was that under no circumstances should anyone who wants to become President ever be allowed to. 

I don't know his views on police shooting innocent bystanders,  but I can guess.

He did however make some pertinent observations about police parking ability.

“There were three of them, three police cars left askew across the road in a way that transcended mere parking. It sent out a massive signal to the world saying that the law was here now taking charge of things, and that anyone who just had normal, good and cheerful business to conduct in Lupton Road could just fuck off.”

On the subject of Presidents,   his view was that under no circumstances should anyone who wants to become President ever be allowed to.

Hahaha, I instantly love the dude.

I think the President should be chosen like jury duty.
You get a letter telling you to pack your bags and show up at the White House.

Quote from: JerkFace on December 07, 2019, 04:57:54 PM

On the subject of Presidents,   his view was that under no circumstances should anyone who wants to become President ever be allowed to.

Hahaha, I instantly love the dude.

I think the President should be chosen like jury duty.
You get a letter telling you to pack your bags and show up at the White House.

See if you can get a copy of  Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy.   It should appeal to your sense of humor.

There is a reason for it: the job sucks.
Bad hours.  People who could kill you in the blink of an eye.  Constant state of hypervigilence. 

And donut icing gets everywhere.

This doesn't count as a mass shooting, but it's another shooting in a church. This time the shooter was not counting on the congregation to be armed, I guess? https://www.rt.com/viral/477068-people-shot-church-white-settlement-texas/

 

A gunman killed one and injured another person during a service at a church in White Settlement, Texas, before a parishioner shot him dead.

In a graphic livestreamed video from the service, the gunman - wearing a black hood - approaches the communion server before pulling out what appears to be a shotgun. He manages to shoot two worshippers at point-black range as the panicked crowd dives for cover among the wooden pews. Before the gunman can squeeze off a third shot, an armed "heroic parishioner" as police later call him shoots the perpetrator. Multiple other bystanders pull weapons and encircle the man.

I watched the video. Don't mess with Texans at church, mofos.

Honestly, it strikes me as "suicide by cop".  Just the way it went down.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/multiple-injured-active-shooter-incident-wisconsins-mayfair-mall/story?id=74325556

Multiple injured in active shooter incident at Wisconsin's Mayfair Mall: Mayor
The perpetrator is "at large," the mayor said.

Multiple people were injured in a shooting at the Mayfair Mall in Wauwatosa, Wisconsin, on Friday, the local mayor said.

None of the victims' injuries appear to be life-threatening and they are being taken to the hospital, Wauwatosa Mayor Dennis McBride told ABC News.

The perpetrator is "at large," the mayor said.

About 75 officers have descended on the scene in Wauwatosa, about 6 miles outside Milwaukee. The FBI's Milwaukee office also said it was responding to assist local law enforcement personnel.

Haven't been too many shooting sprees since the corone took over.

This doesn't count as a mass shooting, but it's another shooting in a church. This time the shooter was not counting on the congregation to be armed, I guess? https://www.rt.com/viral/477068-people-shot-church-white-settlement-texas/

 

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A gunman killed one and injured another person during a service at a church in White Settlement, Texas, before a parishioner shot him dead.

In a graphic livestreamed video from the service, the gunman - wearing a black hood - approaches the communion server before pulling out what appears to be a shotgun. He manages to shoot two worshippers at point-black range as the panicked crowd dives for cover among the wooden pews. Before the gunman can squeeze off a third shot, an armed "heroic parishioner" as police later call him shoots the perpetrator. Multiple other bystanders pull weapons and encircle the man.

I watched the video. Don't mess with Texans at church, mofos.

And in a town called White Settlement too.  Is it in Manifest Destiny County?

(Sorry if that’s bad taste)

https://www.yahoo.com/news/wisconsin-police-arrest-15-old-231544816.html

Guns can be bad but once again they are not the problem. The shooter was a 15 year old.

Guns don't kill people.  People kill people.  Guns just make it easier for people to kill people.

Guns don't kill people.  People kill people.  Guns just make it easier for people to kill people.

Yeah, without a gun you have to throw the bullets really hard.

Quote from: markjo on November 23, 2020, 11:20:26 AM

Guns don't kill people.  People kill people.  Guns just make it easier for people to kill people.

Yeah, without a gun you have to throw the bullets really hard.

Guns and bullets don't kill people, a good arm and aim does.

I used to have a neighbor who said "it's not the bullet that kills you, it's the velocity". 

I used to have a neighbor who said "it's not the bullet that kills you, it's the velocity".

Thats just wrong, from a physics point of view.

Guns can be bad but once again they are not the problem. The shooter was a 15 year old.

I mean fuck me, this? And all the “Guns don’t kill people they just give me the throbs, and I need muh guns to feel like a man, cos basically I’m a massive coward in a tutu too scared without one to function as a rational human being.”

FFS America, grow the fuck up. Ask these guys if guns kill people.


And relax………..

See? With your guns!



Bastards.

Quote from: Lorddave on December 07, 2019, 08:38:43 AM

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on December 07, 2019, 07:52:56 AM

It's so weird to me that the more heavily armed the police become the worse their training gets. They should be spending more time training, and weeding out people who don't belong.

There is a reason for it: the job sucks.
Bad hours.  People who could kill you in the blink of an eye.  Constant state of hypervigilence. 

So what can you do but hire people who shouldn't be cops just so you have enough people.

I don't believe that. Lots of jobs suck. People could kill you in the blink of an eye while you're buying groceries. Being a police officer isn't even in the top 10 most dangerous jobs in the US.

The people who would be good police are probably turned off by the corruption of it all. Why would a good human being want to work at a job that regularly steals from citizens? Where their coworkers get away with murder and rape? Where speaking out against corruption can get you killed? They are actively making this job unattractive to the very people who would be best for the job.

Yeah, the police specifically recruit people who will be loyal and follow orders.  They even have a policy against hiring people that are 'too smart' which they got sued over and managed to win in court.

They want team players, meaning team police, not team citizen.

See? With your guns!



Bastards.

If Bambi had been carrying then she would have been able to defend herself and this would never have happened. 



You're going to think twice about engaging with that mofo.  The solution to guns is more guns!

Quote from: Jura-Glenlivet II on November 24, 2020, 03:22:47 AM

See? With your guns!



Bastards.

If Bambi had been carrying then she would have been able to defend herself and this would never have happened. 



You're going to think twice about engaging with that mofo.  The solution to guns is more guns!

How would bambi pull the trigger tho? It cant  move its antler.

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on November 24, 2020, 05:11:44 AM

If Bambi had been carrying then she would have been able to defend herself and this would never have happened. 



You're going to think twice about engaging with that mofo.  The solution to guns is more guns!

How would bambi pull the trigger tho? It cant  move its antler.

Don't you see where the pack says "TELE CONTROL"?  Obviously that means that it's telepathically controlled.

BTW, Bambi is a boy, hence the antlers.