Another mass shooting...

Quote from: Crouton on November 15, 2019, 07:50:53 AM

Quote from: Definitely Not Swedish on November 15, 2019, 07:32:45 AM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on September 09, 2019, 04:37:48 PM

Quote from: Crouton on September 09, 2019, 04:13:40 PM

Things like this are why if I thought someone was breaking into my house then I'd reach for a baseball bat instead of a gun.  But a single mom that lives alone, I totally understand the gun.

How about a 58 year old disabled man?
Do I have to do battle one on one with an attacker?

I can't run away. I can't swing a bat.

Do I get an exemption too?

Why would anyone even break into your home or attack you? Absolutely not realistic scenario to be honest!

I didn't even notice this post.

To answer your question.  My statement is about what I would do.  It wasn't a way that I believe everyone in general should protect their house.

So your bat can stop bullets?

Mine can, depending on the calibur.

Quote from: The Real Celine Dion on November 15, 2019, 09:15:13 AM

Quote from: Crouton on November 15, 2019, 07:50:53 AM

Quote from: Definitely Not Swedish on November 15, 2019, 07:32:45 AM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on September 09, 2019, 04:37:48 PM

Quote from: Crouton on September 09, 2019, 04:13:40 PM

Things like this are why if I thought someone was breaking into my house then I'd reach for a baseball bat instead of a gun.  But a single mom that lives alone, I totally understand the gun.

How about a 58 year old disabled man?
Do I have to do battle one on one with an attacker?

I can't run away. I can't swing a bat.

Do I get an exemption too?

Why would anyone even break into your home or attack you? Absolutely not realistic scenario to be honest!

I didn't even notice this post.

To answer your question.  My statement is about what I would do.  It wasn't a way that I believe everyone in general should protect their house.

So your bat can stop bullets?

Mine can, depending on the calibur.

So you have Deadpool-like reflexes?

Quote from: Crouton on November 15, 2019, 07:50:53 AM

Quote from: Definitely Not Swedish on November 15, 2019, 07:32:45 AM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on September 09, 2019, 04:37:48 PM

Quote from: Crouton on September 09, 2019, 04:13:40 PM

Things like this are why if I thought someone was breaking into my house then I'd reach for a baseball bat instead of a gun.  But a single mom that lives alone, I totally understand the gun.

How about a 58 year old disabled man?
Do I have to do battle one on one with an attacker?

I can't run away. I can't swing a bat.

Do I get an exemption too?

Why would anyone even break into your home or attack you? Absolutely not realistic scenario to be honest!

I didn't even notice this post.

To answer your question.  My statement is about what I would do.  It wasn't a way that I believe everyone in general should protect their house.

So your bat can stop bullets?

Yes.  There's a documentary about it.

Quote from: Lorddave on November 15, 2019, 09:29:28 AM

Quote from: The Real Celine Dion on November 15, 2019, 09:15:13 AM

Quote from: Crouton on November 15, 2019, 07:50:53 AM

Quote from: Definitely Not Swedish on November 15, 2019, 07:32:45 AM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on September 09, 2019, 04:37:48 PM

Quote from: Crouton on September 09, 2019, 04:13:40 PM

Things like this are why if I thought someone was breaking into my house then I'd reach for a baseball bat instead of a gun.  But a single mom that lives alone, I totally understand the gun.

How about a 58 year old disabled man?
Do I have to do battle one on one with an attacker?

I can't run away. I can't swing a bat.

Do I get an exemption too?

Why would anyone even break into your home or attack you? Absolutely not realistic scenario to be honest!

I didn't even notice this post.

To answer your question.  My statement is about what I would do.  It wasn't a way that I believe everyone in general should protect their house.

So your bat can stop bullets?

Mine can, depending on the calibur.

So you have Deadpool-like reflexes?

Yes.
But considering that we're talking about if my bat can stop a bullet, its not really relevant.

Quote from: The Real Celine Dion on November 15, 2019, 10:55:05 AM

Quote from: Lorddave on November 15, 2019, 09:29:28 AM

Quote from: The Real Celine Dion on November 15, 2019, 09:15:13 AM

Quote from: Crouton on November 15, 2019, 07:50:53 AM

Quote from: Definitely Not Swedish on November 15, 2019, 07:32:45 AM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on September 09, 2019, 04:37:48 PM

Quote from: Crouton on September 09, 2019, 04:13:40 PM

Things like this are why if I thought someone was breaking into my house then I'd reach for a baseball bat instead of a gun.  But a single mom that lives alone, I totally understand the gun.

How about a 58 year old disabled man?
Do I have to do battle one on one with an attacker?

I can't run away. I can't swing a bat.

Do I get an exemption too?

Why would anyone even break into your home or attack you? Absolutely not realistic scenario to be honest!

I didn't even notice this post.

To answer your question.  My statement is about what I would do.  It wasn't a way that I believe everyone in general should protect their house.

So your bat can stop bullets?

Mine can, depending on the calibur.

So you have Deadpool-like reflexes?

Yes.
But considering that we're talking about if my bat can stop a bullet, its not really relevant.

So if I break into your house with a 15 round handgun, you could block all 15 shots in a row with your bat?

Quote from: Lorddave on November 15, 2019, 11:52:58 AM

Quote from: The Real Celine Dion on November 15, 2019, 10:55:05 AM

Quote from: Lorddave on November 15, 2019, 09:29:28 AM

Quote from: The Real Celine Dion on November 15, 2019, 09:15:13 AM

Quote from: Crouton on November 15, 2019, 07:50:53 AM

Quote from: Definitely Not Swedish on November 15, 2019, 07:32:45 AM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on September 09, 2019, 04:37:48 PM

Quote from: Crouton on September 09, 2019, 04:13:40 PM

Things like this are why if I thought someone was breaking into my house then I'd reach for a baseball bat instead of a gun.  But a single mom that lives alone, I totally understand the gun.

How about a 58 year old disabled man?
Do I have to do battle one on one with an attacker?

I can't run away. I can't swing a bat.

Do I get an exemption too?

Why would anyone even break into your home or attack you? Absolutely not realistic scenario to be honest!

I didn't even notice this post.

To answer your question.  My statement is about what I would do.  It wasn't a way that I believe everyone in general should protect their house.

So your bat can stop bullets?

Mine can, depending on the calibur.

So you have Deadpool-like reflexes?

Yes.
But considering that we're talking about if my bat can stop a bullet, its not really relevant.

So if I break into your house with a 15 round handgun, you could block all 15 shots in a row with your bat?

No neo. We're saying when the time comes, you wont need to.

So if I break into your house with a 15 round handgun, you could block all 15 shots in a row with your bat?

I wouldn't argue along those lines if you are a gun supporter,  the end game of that line of reasoning is an arms race, and it's a great argument for making all guns illegal. 

In any case, in America the likelyhood that you will be mistakenly shot in your own home by police is greater than it is anywhere else,  are you going to gun down police?

Quote from: Lorddave on November 15, 2019, 11:52:58 AM

Quote from: The Real Celine Dion on November 15, 2019, 10:55:05 AM

Quote from: Lorddave on November 15, 2019, 09:29:28 AM

Quote from: The Real Celine Dion on November 15, 2019, 09:15:13 AM

Quote from: Crouton on November 15, 2019, 07:50:53 AM

Quote from: Definitely Not Swedish on November 15, 2019, 07:32:45 AM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on September 09, 2019, 04:37:48 PM

Quote from: Crouton on September 09, 2019, 04:13:40 PM

Things like this are why if I thought someone was breaking into my house then I'd reach for a baseball bat instead of a gun.  But a single mom that lives alone, I totally understand the gun.

How about a 58 year old disabled man?
Do I have to do battle one on one with an attacker?

I can't run away. I can't swing a bat.

Do I get an exemption too?

Why would anyone even break into your home or attack you? Absolutely not realistic scenario to be honest!

I didn't even notice this post.

To answer your question.  My statement is about what I would do.  It wasn't a way that I believe everyone in general should protect their house.

So your bat can stop bullets?

Mine can, depending on the calibur.

So you have Deadpool-like reflexes?

Yes.
But considering that we're talking about if my bat can stop a bullet, its not really relevant.

So if I break into your house with a 15 round handgun, you could block all 15 shots in a row with your bat?

You asked if my bat could block bullets, not if I could use a bat to block bullets fired at me.

What, can you block bullets with your gun or something?

No neo. We're saying when the time comes, you wont need to.

I spit my metaphorical milk out when I read this.

Why would anyone even break into your home or attack you? Absolutely not realistic scenario to be honest!

Sometimes its on purpose with crazy people/evil people.

Other times the intruder is caught off guard because they think the home is empty.

Meth is a hell of a drug

Why would the government want to take our guns unless they will be doing things that warrant us shooting at them?

Why would the government want to take our guns unless they will be doing things that warrant us shooting at them?

What, like Trump declaring himself president for life?

But here's more normal answers:

Dead people can't pay taxes.  Less guns, less people being shot.
Lower cost of police.  Less guns, less need for hyper-awareness, less need for special equipment like bullet proof vests.  And lower health care costs for them.  Also, it becomes safer so you have a better chance of hiring people.

Quote from: The Real Celine Dion on November 16, 2019, 08:38:28 AM

Why would the government want to take our guns unless they will be doing things that warrant us shooting at them?

What, like Trump declaring himself president for life?

But here's more normal answers:

Dead people can't pay taxes.  Less guns, less people being shot.
Lower cost of police.  Less guns, less need for hyper-awareness, less need for special equipment like bullet proof vests.  And lower health care costs for them.  Also, it becomes safer so you have a better chance of hiring people.

That worked out well the for Jews in Germany, now did it.

Quote from: Lorddave on November 16, 2019, 09:00:33 AM

Quote from: The Real Celine Dion on November 16, 2019, 08:38:28 AM

Why would the government want to take our guns unless they will be doing things that warrant us shooting at them?

What, like Trump declaring himself president for life?

But here's more normal answers:

Dead people can't pay taxes.  Less guns, less people being shot.
Lower cost of police.  Less guns, less need for hyper-awareness, less need for special equipment like bullet proof vests.  And lower health care costs for them.  Also, it becomes safer so you have a better chance of hiring people.

That worked out well the for Jews in Germany, now did it.

You do realize that gun restrictions were LOOSENED right?
The only restriction became that guns were removed from "dangerous" people.  Jews became those people.
Kinda like if Liberals are deemed too dangerous to own guns but Republicans aren't.  Or vice versa.

Of course, having guns wouldn't have made a difference.  Except maybe they'd have been gunned down in their homes instead of sent to camps but details.

Quote from: Lorddave on November 16, 2019, 09:00:33 AM

Quote from: The Real Celine Dion on November 16, 2019, 08:38:28 AM

Why would the government want to take our guns unless they will be doing things that warrant us shooting at them?

What, like Trump declaring himself president for life?

But here's more normal answers:

Dead people can't pay taxes.  Less guns, less people being shot.
Lower cost of police.  Less guns, less need for hyper-awareness, less need for special equipment like bullet proof vests.  And lower health care costs for them.  Also, it becomes safer so you have a better chance of hiring people.

That worked out well the for Jews in Germany, now did it.

Godwins law by inference. RCD loses.

Yet again, a shooting in Walmart....

America. Land of the free

Second hand smoke is more dangerous than first hand smoke. 
This is the shit we have to tolerate.

Fucking idiots . . . 

Americans should be vetted much more at airports. They are very likely to commit a mass shooting.

The last one was Saudi.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/06/us/florida-ups-truck-police-chase-investigation/index.html

The scene was a nightmare: After a long, televised police chase of a hijacked UPS truck ground to a halt at a jammed South Florida intersection, gunfire erupted seemingly from everywhere Thursday evening — with vehicles stopped at a traffic light serving as officers' impromptu shields.
Gunfire exploded toward and from the truck. A bystander crouched on a median, then scrambled away as officers closed in.

In the end, four people were shot dead at the intersection in Miramar, authorities said, including two robbery suspects, a bystander, and hostage UPS driver Frank Ordonez, a man who relatives say had been substituting for a colleague who had called out from work that day.

Too bad we don't count it as a mass shooting when the cops do it!

Too bad we don't count it as a mass shooting when the cops do it!

The cops saved the UPS driver from being killed by the hostage takers.

What were the cops supposed to do?
Wail until the truck ran out of gas and the hostage takers got hungry or eventually fell asleep?


When we give the police tools of excessive force they will use them.
One of the most appalling scenes I have ever watched.

The cops saved the UPS driver from being killed by the hostage takers.

Wait, what?  wasn't the UPS driver shot by the cops?

Quote from: Bullwinkle on December 06, 2019, 09:32:37 PM

The cops saved the UPS driver from being killed by the hostage takers.

Wait, what?  wasn't the UPS driver shot by the cops?

   yes

Quote from: JerkFace on December 06, 2019, 11:28:45 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on December 06, 2019, 09:32:37 PM

The cops saved the UPS driver from being killed by the hostage takers.

Wait, what?  wasn't the UPS driver shot by the cops?

   yes

This a strange new usage of the word "saved"  that I'm unfamiliar with.

Quote from: Bullwinkle on December 07, 2019, 12:52:18 AM

Quote from: JerkFace on December 06, 2019, 11:28:45 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on December 06, 2019, 09:32:37 PM

The cops saved the UPS driver from being killed by the hostage takers.

Wait, what?  wasn't the UPS driver shot by the cops?

   yes

This a strange new usage of the word "saved"  that I'm unfamiliar with.

 

Like you have never read anything I have EVER written . . .   SARCASM


                             

Quote from: JerkFace on December 07, 2019, 01:26:26 AM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on December 07, 2019, 12:52:18 AM

Quote from: JerkFace on December 06, 2019, 11:28:45 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on December 06, 2019, 09:32:37 PM

The cops saved the UPS driver from being killed by the hostage takers.

Wait, what?  wasn't the UPS driver shot by the cops?

   yes

This a strange new usage of the word "saved"  that I'm unfamiliar with.

 

Like you have never read anything I have EVER written . . .   SARCASM


                             

You haven't read Douglass Adams?    I'm dissapointed.

You haven't read Douglass Adams?    I'm dissapointed.

I've never heard the name.

Does he influence your vote?




 

It's so weird to me that the more heavily armed the police become the worse their training gets. They should be spending more time training, and weeding out people who don't belong.

If cops would just wait, people get tired and eventually just give up.
Let the adrenaline wear off.

I've seen car chases where they just follow until the driver realizes the game is over.
Driver pulls over, gets out and lays out flat.

Aggressive Policing causes aggressive resistance.
Nobody wants to go to jail.

Wait the crook out. They will give up.

I absolutely agree with you, SCG.

It's so weird to me that the more heavily armed the police become the worse their training gets. They should be spending more time training, and weeding out people who don't belong.

There is a reason for it: the job sucks.
Bad hours.  People who could kill you in the blink of an eye.  Constant state of hypervigilence. 

So what can you do but hire people who shouldn't be cops just so you have enough people.

It's so weird to me that the more heavily armed the police become the worse their training gets. They should be spending more time training, and weeding out people who don't belong.

So are we not going to blame the armed assailants that stole the van in the first place?