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Re: Another mass shooting...
« Reply #960 on: May 27, 2018, 06:17:41 PM »
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Still doesn't change the frequency. If I told you that 2 in 1,000 people wins the lottery, does that make you more likely to win than if I said the statistic in a different fashion?

No, but you intentionally make it sound like it's less of a problem than it actually is.
I could just as easily say that you intentionally make it sound like it's more of a problem than it actually is.

It's really telling how some Americans are willing to minimize the issue in order to avoid having to face the fact that their gun culture is fucked up. [/quote]

Again, I could just as easily say that you're hyping up the issue to avoid the fact that guns are not the problem. We had guns (even scary looking guns) long before we had mass shootings.
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Actually the 17 school shootings stat is inflated. Of the 18, actually, acclaimed school shootings, only 8 of them inloved multiple casualties or even multiple targets. The rest were accidental discharges and even a suicide in an empty school parking lot.
Who said anything about multiple casualties and whatnot? Besides the shooting I mentioned that happened in my country didn't have casualties either. This changes nothing. I guess you can disregard the suicide. As for the accidenal discharges? Well, does that make anything better? If anything it goes to show you should fix your gun issue. Accidental discharges of guns at schools is something that never happens in other countries. More minimization of the issue. Besides, would it change that much if I backtracked and said that as much school shootings as have ever happened in Europe happen in the US in a single year, instead of half a year?

The fact is that claiming 18 school shootings is disingenuous. When someone says "school shooting" the first thought that comes to mind is a gunman shooting multiple people at a school, not someone so depressed that he decided to commit suicide in an empty parking lot when the school us closed.

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Yeah, a hard to read sign passing by or a minute long commercial here and there or if you go on a police department's facebook page or program. That's not the same as media pundits going on for hours at a time about how dangerous texting and driving is or giant rallies raising awareness about the dangers.

More deflection. You clearly want to avoid addressing the issue.

It's not deflection. There are no protests to end texting and driving.
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Actually there are many restrictions and laws in place to prevent this kind of thing. They aren't being enforced is the problem.

Yes, that's one of the problems. Another problem is that a lot of the restrictions are baby steps, and they don't work.

Can you name restrictions that would work?
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The Parkland shooter could've been arrested/committed several times over before he could shoot anyone. And we also have solutions of our own. In my state for example, it is now mandated that there should a police officer or a trained armed guardian for every 1,000 students if I have the number correctly.

It's very telling that armed guardians are necessary in your schools. And the Parkland shooter was an exception. I mean, they still dropped the ball, but still an exception. He should never have even been able to commit this crime.

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They also get thrown stats on how the proposed guns laws wouldn't work and only hinder law abiding citizens.

So your country is the only country in the developed world where gun control wouldn't work, and you know that for sure even though no serious plan to do that has been implemented. No, the issue is, again, that any restrictions you implement are baby steps, because if anyone tried to take drastic measures, the gun lobby would be unhappy. Also people would throw hissy fits, because the NRA and gun companies have somehow convinced everyone that you can't be considered American unless you have a small army's worth of firearms and ammunition in your shed.

Evidence that gun control works would being able to point to a city/state/country that implemented gun control and drastically reduced their gun homicides/homicides/violent crime.
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Re: Another mass shooting...
« Reply #961 on: May 27, 2018, 07:47:20 PM »
Evidence that gun control works would being able to point to a city/state/country that implemented gun control and drastically reduced their gun homicides/homicides/violent crime.

I live in rural Australia.  I opposed the gun laws when they were brought in,  these days people have gotten used to it.   People still get shot,  but nothing like the USA.


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Re: Another mass shooting...
« Reply #962 on: May 27, 2018, 08:12:43 PM »
Evidence that gun control works would being able to point to a city/state/country that implemented gun control and drastically reduced their gun homicides/homicides/violent crime.

I live in rural Australia.  I opposed the gun laws when they were brought in,  these days people have gotten used to it.   People still get shot,  but nothing like the USA.

So, how do you people kill each other now?

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Re: Another mass shooting...
« Reply #963 on: May 27, 2018, 08:16:48 PM »
Evidence that gun control works would being able to point to a city/state/country that implemented gun control and drastically reduced their gun homicides/homicides/violent crime.

I live in rural Australia.  I opposed the gun laws when they were brought in,  these days people have gotten used to it.   People still get shot,  but nothing like the USA.

So, how do you people kill each other now?

Snakes, spiders, dingos, knoives, dehydration, syphilis-infected koalas... I suspect Australia is the land of opportunity for that kind of thing.

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Re: Another mass shooting...
« Reply #964 on: May 27, 2018, 08:20:14 PM »
Evidence that gun control works would being able to point to a city/state/country that implemented gun control and drastically reduced their gun homicides/homicides/violent crime.

I live in rural Australia.  I opposed the gun laws when they were brought in,  these days people have gotten used to it.   People still get shot,  but nothing like the USA.

So, how do you people kill each other now?

Snakes, spiders, dingos, knoives, dehydration, syphilis-infected koalas... I suspect Australia is the land of opportunity for that kind of thing.

So they have more options.
Sounds like Australian Privilege to me.

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Re: Another mass shooting...
« Reply #965 on: May 27, 2018, 09:48:48 PM »
Evidence that gun control works would being able to point to a city/state/country that implemented gun control and drastically reduced their gun homicides/homicides/violent crime.

I live in rural Australia.  I opposed the gun laws when they were brought in,  these days people have gotten used to it.   People still get shot,  but nothing like the USA.

So, how do you people kill each other now?

Snakes, spiders, dingos, knoives, dehydration, syphilis-infected koalas... I suspect Australia is the land of opportunity for that kind of thing.

So they have more options.
Sounds like Australian Privilege to me.

You forgot crocodiles and drop bears.   

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Re: Another mass shooting...
« Reply #966 on: May 27, 2018, 10:27:03 PM »
Evidence that gun control works would being able to point to a city/state/country that implemented gun control and drastically reduced their gun homicides/homicides/violent crime.

I live in rural Australia.  I opposed the gun laws when they were brought in,  these days people have gotten used to it.   People still get shot,  but nothing like the USA.

So, how do you people kill each other now?

Snakes, spiders, dingos, knoives, dehydration, syphilis-infected koalas... I suspect Australia is the land of opportunity for that kind of thing.

So they have more options.
Sounds like Australian Privilege to me.

You forgot crocodiles and drop bears.


Seriously, how do you all kill each other?

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Re: Another mass shooting...
« Reply #967 on: May 28, 2018, 03:42:56 AM »
Evidence that gun control works would being able to point to a city/state/country that implemented gun control and drastically reduced their gun homicides/homicides/violent crime.

I live in rural Australia.  I opposed the gun laws when they were brought in,  these days people have gotten used to it.   People still get shot,  but nothing like the USA.

So, how do you people kill each other now?

Snakes, spiders, dingos, knoives, dehydration, syphilis-infected koalas... I suspect Australia is the land of opportunity for that kind of thing.

So they have more options.
Sounds like Australian Privilege to me.

You forgot crocodiles and drop bears.


Seriously, how do you all kill each other?

Really funny jokes.
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Re: Another mass shooting...
« Reply #968 on: May 28, 2018, 06:27:14 AM »
Again, I could just as easily say that you're hyping up the issue to avoid the fact that guns are not the problem. We had guns (even scary looking guns) long before we had mass shootings.

First of all, you always had mass shootings, more than other countries without guns. It's just that there are more now. Second, you have MORE guns now, and a weird attitude towards them, probably due to propaganda. Not trying to say guns are the only reason this is happening, but it's a major contributor. You pretending it's a non issue won't change the fact that it is.

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The fact is that claiming 18 school shootings is disingenuous. When someone says "school shooting" the first thought that comes to mind is a gunman shooting multiple people at a school, not someone so depressed that he decided to commit suicide in an empty parking lot when the school us closed.

First of all, I said 17, not 18, which doesn't include your suicide. Second, you're just missing the point yet again. Whether it is 17 or 18 or 16, the fact doesn't change that it's an absurdly high rate.

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It's not deflection. There are no protests to end texting and driving.

Which is not the issue here because the issue is not texting and driving. You're deflecting. What do you expect to happen if people protested to end texting and driving? There are already laws to prevent that and there's little more that can be done. This is just more lame whataboutism. You can apply this to almost every issue people want to protest about.

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Can you name restrictions that would work?

Strict enforcement of a law banning ownership of guns for teens and children. Restrictions to how much ammo you can buy. Restrictions to what types of guns you can buy. Possibly buyback programs. Stricter testing to warrant a license and requirement of license to use and buy guns. These are just a few.

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Evidence that gun control works would being able to point to a city/state/country that implemented gun control and drastically reduced their gun homicides/homicides/violent crime.
Like Australia, the UK and Switzerland? Although to be fair it's hard to find an analogous case because no other country has had a comparable mass shooting/school shooting issue with the US, and most countries have had strict gun laws for decades.
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Re: Another mass shooting...
« Reply #969 on: May 28, 2018, 05:00:03 PM »

Seriously, how do you all kill each other?

Really funny jokes.

If that fails there's always a wood chipper somewhere nearby. 
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Re: Another mass shooting...
« Reply #970 on: May 28, 2018, 06:09:15 PM »
Again, I could just as easily say that you're hyping up the issue to avoid the fact that guns are not the problem. We had guns (even scary looking guns) long before we had mass shootings.

First of all, you always had mass shootings, more than other countries without guns. It's just that there are more now. Second, you have MORE guns now, and a weird attitude towards them, probably due to propaganda. Not trying to say guns are the only reason this is happening, but it's a major contributor. You pretending it's a non issue won't change the fact that it is.

The first mass shooting where the target was innocent bystanders, was back in the 50's. Hardly meets the definition of "we always had mass shootings." I will grant that we had cases like the Valentine massacre but that was between gang members. Also, while true we have more guns now, that's not indicative to how many people own guns. Most gun homicides happens in states and cities with stricter laws. California has the highest amount of mass shootings yet they have some the strictest laws in the country.
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The fact is that claiming 18 school shootings is disingenuous. When someone says "school shooting" the first thought that comes to mind is a gunman shooting multiple people at a school, not someone so depressed that he decided to commit suicide in an empty parking lot when the school us closed.

First of all, I said 17, not 18, which doesn't include your suicide. Second, you're just missing the point yet again. Whether it is 17 or 18 or 16, the fact doesn't change that it's an absurdly high rate.

It isn't when compared to other crime even in the same category and the population as a whole.

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It's not deflection. There are no protests to end texting and driving.

Which is not the issue here because the issue is not texting and driving. You're deflecting. What do you expect to happen if people protested to end texting and driving? There are already laws to prevent that and there's little more that can be done. This is just more lame whataboutism. You can apply this to almost every issue people want to protest about.

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Can you name restrictions that would work?

Strict enforcement of a law banning ownership of guns for teens and children.

I can go with that as long it doesn't bar children who are directly supervised by an adult from ever touching a firearm.

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Restrictions to how much ammo you can buy.

Why? How would that prevent any mass shooting? The recent shooter used a shotgun and a revolver and those things don't hold much to begin with. Also how much ammo in your opinion is too much? Plus, what about those who already have stockpiles of ammo to begin with?
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Restrictions to what types of guns you can buy.

Why? Most mass shootings are done with handguns.

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Possibly buyback programs.
That failed in places like New jersey and California, and they are among the most willing states to participate in it. How much more do you think it will work well in states like Texas?
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Stricter testing to warrant a license and requirement of license to use and buy guns. These are just a few.

There is little evidence that stricter testing reduces crime. Illinois requires gun owners to have a license to even own a gun, and applying for a carry permit is even worse. Yet they have a high gun crime rate.
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Evidence that gun control works would being able to point to a city/state/country that implemented gun control and drastically reduced their gun homicides/homicides/violent crime.
Like Australia, the UK and Switzerland? Although to be fair it's hard to find an analogous case because no other country has had a comparable mass shooting/school shooting issue with the US, and most countries have had strict gun laws for decades.

I'm giving you leniency. You don't have to stick with mass shootings to prove your case. You can show a country that implemented gun control and drastically reduced it's gun crime as a result.
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Re: Another mass shooting...
« Reply #971 on: May 29, 2018, 06:04:06 AM »
You can show a country that implemented gun control and drastically reduced it's gun crime as a result.

Australia. 
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« Reply #972 on: May 29, 2018, 06:35:36 AM »
You can show a country that implemented gun control and drastically reduced it's gun crime as a result.

Australia. 


Gun deaths in Australia were already trending down before your control laws and that trend did not change.  To say that the gun control laws were responsible for there being fewer gun deaths is deceitful.


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« Reply #973 on: May 29, 2018, 07:43:10 AM »
You can show a country that implemented gun control and drastically reduced it's gun crime as a result.

Australia. 


Gun deaths in Australia were already trending down before your control laws and that trend did not change.  To say that the gun control laws were responsible for there being fewer gun deaths is deceitful.



Are you sure about that?

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Re: Another mass shooting...
« Reply #974 on: May 29, 2018, 08:04:00 AM »
I looked at the list of "18" school shootings that has been thrown about. There are about 6 on that list that shouldn't be on there, such as dorm shootings or at sports events. That still leaves more than 2 school shootings a month.

Something has to be done. I also don't see why we should allow anyone who cannot be trusted to take care of their own finances with being trusted to properly handle a firearm. It's mind-boggling. You can't hurt someone by misusing your own money, at least within reason, you can very easily hurt someone by misusing a firearm.
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Re: Another mass shooting...
« Reply #975 on: May 29, 2018, 08:14:18 AM »
You can show a country that implemented gun control and drastically reduced it's gun crime as a result.

Australia. 


Gun deaths in Australia were already trending down before your control laws and that trend did not change.  To say that the gun control laws were responsible for there being fewer gun deaths is deceitful.



Are you sure about that?



Your chart shows that suicides have been trending downwards steadily since the mid 80s as well.

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Re: Another mass shooting...
« Reply #976 on: May 29, 2018, 08:41:46 AM »
You can show a country that implemented gun control and drastically reduced it's gun crime as a result.

Australia. 


Gun deaths in Australia were already trending down before your control laws and that trend did not change.  To say that the gun control laws were responsible for there being fewer gun deaths is deceitful.


That looks like a pretty sharp drop, downward trend aside.
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Re: Another mass shooting...
« Reply #977 on: May 29, 2018, 08:42:53 AM »
Your chart shows that suicides have been trending downwards steadily since the mid 80s as well.

Less guns == less people getting shot.   Not hard to figure out if you try.

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« Reply #978 on: May 29, 2018, 09:22:55 AM »
The first mass shooting where the target was innocent bystanders, was back in the 50's. Hardly meets the definition of "we always had mass shootings." I will grant that we had cases like the Valentine massacre but that was between gang members. Also, while true we have more guns now, that's not indicative to how many people own guns. Most gun homicides happens in states and cities with stricter laws. California has the highest amount of mass shootings yet they have some the strictest laws in the country.

By "always" I didn't mean back to the creation of your country. But they're not a new thing. They've been pretty common since the 80s. And you keep throwing that line about how most gun homicides are in states with strict laws, but, again, that's just false. And yes, California does indeed rank pretty high in the mass shootings scale (I'm not sure if it's the highest though). Should be kind of expected given it's by far the most populous  ::) In terms of gun violence per capita, it ranks pretty darn low.

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It isn't when compared to other crime even in the same category and the population as a whole.

I... already demonstrated it is absurdly high compared to the population. And shouldn't it be kind of obvious that it's not as common as other crimes? Doesn't make it any less of a problem.

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Why? Most mass shootings are done with handguns.

Not the deadliest ones, you can't kill as many people with a handgun as you can with a semi automatic rifle. Also many countries have banned handguns, because of how easily you can conceal them, which makes them very popular for criminals.

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Possibly buyback programs.
That failed in places like New jersey and California, and they are among the most willing states to participate in it. How much more do you think it will work well in states like Texas?[/quote]

To be fair, given your gun culture, it's unlikely they will work very well.

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There is little evidence that stricter testing reduces crime. Illinois requires gun owners to have a license to even own a gun, and applying for a carry permit is even worse. Yet they have a high gun crime rate.

Not really, they rank 34th in overall gun violence and they're about average in terms of gun murders. But what's really an issue is that the laws aren't enforced very well. Plenty of european countries have very strict testing and they actually enforce it and it works pretty well to make sure criminals don't end up with guns. I don't understand why anyone would oppose strict testing and background checks.


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I'm giving you leniency. You don't have to stick with mass shootings to prove your case. You can show a country that implemented gun control and drastically reduced it's gun crime as a result.
They worked for Australia. It's a bit dubious what they did for the UK, because they never had that many gun murders to begin with, and they never really cared that much about guns anyways, it was done more to prevent mass shootings from happening again. I don't really know many other countries that relatively recently started enforcing significantly stricter gun laws, and definitely none that had the attitude of the US before.
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Re: Another mass shooting...
« Reply #979 on: May 29, 2018, 11:16:15 AM »
Plenty of european countries have very strict testing and they actually enforce it and it works pretty well to make sure criminals don't end up with guns.

What is testing and how is it enforced?

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« Reply #980 on: May 29, 2018, 11:55:25 AM »
Plenty of european countries have very strict testing and they actually enforce it and it works pretty well to make sure criminals don't end up with guns.

What is testing and how is it enforced?
Before you are granted a license, they do background checks and psychological testing to make sure you're not a nutter who's gonna shoot up a school.
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Re: Another mass shooting...
« Reply #981 on: May 29, 2018, 12:24:31 PM »
Plenty of european countries have very strict testing and they actually enforce it and it works pretty well to make sure criminals don't end up with guns.

What is testing and how is it enforced?

You need to accomplish various steps to get a permit and even that has limitations of what kind of gun and how many you are allowed to have.

And the guns have to be locked in a safe, unloaded, with bullets locked somewhere else.

And you can't have more than like 200 bullets.

And you're getting checked every now and then by the officers.

And no automatic weapons.

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« Reply #982 on: May 29, 2018, 03:04:57 PM »
Plenty of european countries have very strict testing and they actually enforce it and it works pretty well to make sure criminals don't end up with guns.

What is testing and how is it enforced?

You need to accomplish various steps to get a permit and even that has limitations of what kind of gun and how many you are allowed to have.

And the guns have to be locked in a safe, unloaded, with bullets locked somewhere else.

And you can't have more than like 200 bullets.

And you're getting checked every now and then by the officers.

And no automatic weapons.

You can have all the best intentions in the world, but if some girl doesn't want to have sex with your zit faced greasy teenage kid, all bets are off.

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« Reply #983 on: May 29, 2018, 03:11:48 PM »
Plenty of european countries have very strict testing and they actually enforce it and it works pretty well to make sure criminals don't end up with guns.

What is testing and how is it enforced?

You need to accomplish various steps to get a permit and even that has limitations of what kind of gun and how many you are allowed to have.

And the guns have to be locked in a safe, unloaded, with bullets locked somewhere else.

And you can't have more than like 200 bullets.

And you're getting checked every now and then by the officers.

And no automatic weapons.

You can have all the best intentions in the world, but if some girl doesn't want to have sex with your zit faced greasy teenage kid, all bets are off.

And maybe she complains about not finding a decent guy after that.

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Re: Another mass shooting...
« Reply #984 on: May 29, 2018, 03:20:16 PM »
Plenty of european countries have very strict testing and they actually enforce it and it works pretty well to make sure criminals don't end up with guns.

What is testing and how is it enforced?

You need to accomplish various steps to get a permit and even that has limitations of what kind of gun and how many you are allowed to have.

And the guns have to be locked in a safe, unloaded, with bullets locked somewhere else.

And you can't have more than like 200 bullets.

And you're getting checked every now and then by the officers.

And no automatic weapons.

You can have all the best intentions in the world, but if some girl doesn't want to have sex with your zit faced greasy teenage kid, all bets are off.

And maybe she complains about not finding a decent guy after that.

I'm going to be a little judgemental here and say that a guy who commits mass murder probably doesn't qualify as decent.
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« Reply #985 on: May 29, 2018, 03:27:24 PM »
Plenty of european countries have very strict testing and they actually enforce it and it works pretty well to make sure criminals don't end up with guns.

What is testing and how is it enforced?

You need to accomplish various steps to get a permit and even that has limitations of what kind of gun and how many you are allowed to have.

And the guns have to be locked in a safe, unloaded, with bullets locked somewhere else.

And you can't have more than like 200 bullets.

And you're getting checked every now and then by the officers.

And no automatic weapons.

You can have all the best intentions in the world, but if some girl doesn't want to have sex with your zit faced greasy teenage kid, all bets are off.

And maybe she complains about not finding a decent guy after that.

I'm going to be a little judgemental here and say that a guy who commits mass murder probably doesn't qualify as decent.

Not sure if the "best intentions" guy was meant for the mass murderer, I thought it refered to the ones trying to regulate guns.

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Re: Another mass shooting...
« Reply #986 on: May 29, 2018, 03:30:41 PM »
Plenty of european countries have very strict testing and they actually enforce it and it works pretty well to make sure criminals don't end up with guns.

What is testing and how is it enforced?
Before you are granted a license, they do background checks and psychological testing to make sure you're not a nutter who's gonna shoot up a school.


And now murder has been reduced to an acceptable level?

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Re: Another mass shooting...
« Reply #987 on: May 29, 2018, 03:43:59 PM »
Plenty of european countries have very strict testing and they actually enforce it and it works pretty well to make sure criminals don't end up with guns.

What is testing and how is it enforced?

You need to accomplish various steps to get a permit and even that has limitations of what kind of gun and how many you are allowed to have.

And the guns have to be locked in a safe, unloaded, with bullets locked somewhere else.

And you can't have more than like 200 bullets.

And you're getting checked every now and then by the officers.

And no automatic weapons.

You can have all the best intentions in the world, but if some girl doesn't want to have sex with your zit faced greasy teenage kid, all bets are off.

And maybe she complains about not finding a decent guy after that.

I'm going to be a little judgemental here and say that a guy who commits mass murder probably doesn't qualify as decent.

Not sure if the "best intentions" guy was meant for the mass murderer, I thought it refered to the ones trying to regulate guns.

I meant that a gun owning parent can do all the right things and they themselves would never hurt a soul with a gun. But if their greasy shithead kid gets rejected at school and gets a little angry, he can grab the guns and mass murder people over it.

Just because you have an unloaded gun, locked in a safe with bullets locked somewhere else, doesn't mean your kid cant access it if he really wants it. If you can access it, so can he.

As much as I hate guns and enjoy my civilian free gun law life here in Oz, the reality is, the people who commit these crimes, will move heaven and earth to get hold of a gun to commit these atrocities. The problem is the culture.

I remember watching an episode of the Simpsons but there was one scene that was cut from Australian TV that I saw on a downloaded episode. It was the episode where the character 'Snake' breaks into the Simpsons house annoyed with their singing (on of those singing story episodes). Anyway, for Australian audiences they cut out the bit where Snake points the gun to every Simpsons character (including the baby) and pulls the trigger going click click click etc, without any hesitation. The only thing saving them was that he was out of bullets. For you guys, maybe that's normal, for me, I found that quite disgusting for a cartoon aimed at entertaining children. Your culture has a lot of hideous aspects to it.

Just saying  8)

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Re: Another mass shooting...
« Reply #988 on: May 29, 2018, 04:01:18 PM »
I meant that a gun owning parent can do all the right things and they themselves would never hurt a soul with a gun. But if their greasy shithead kid gets rejected at school and gets a little angry, he can grab the guns and mass murder people over it.

Just because you have an unloaded gun, locked in a safe with bullets locked somewhere else, doesn't mean your kid cant access it if he really wants it. If you can access it, so can he.

As much as I hate guns and enjoy my civilian free gun law life here in Oz, the reality is, the people who commit these crimes, will move heaven and earth to get hold of a gun to commit these atrocities. The problem is the culture.

I remember watching an episode of the Simpsons but there was one scene that was cut from Australian TV that I saw on a downloaded episode. It was the episode where the character 'Snake' breaks into the Simpsons house annoyed with their singing (on of those singing story episodes). Anyway, for Australian audiences they cut out the bit where Snake points the gun to every Simpsons character (including the baby) and pulls the trigger going click click click etc, without any hesitation. The only thing saving them was that he was out of bullets. For you guys, maybe that's normal, for me, I found that quite disgusting for a cartoon aimed at entertaining children. Your culture has a lot of hideous aspects to it.

Just saying  8)

I mean, if the parent lets his keys around then he's an idiot. It's obvious, and I'm positive it is enforced to be sure nobody but you can get their hands on the guns.

Plus I believe the fact that automatic weapons are banned helps with preventing mass shootings.
I never claimed that these regulations would be the 100% bulletproof way to get rid of mass shootings, but it surely helps.

I don't really care about violence in the Simpsons, maybe it affects people in different ways, I don't know.

I can agree the culture is big part of the problem, but guns and regulations are the other.

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Re: Another mass shooting...
« Reply #989 on: May 29, 2018, 04:03:35 PM »
Plenty of european countries have very strict testing and they actually enforce it and it works pretty well to make sure criminals don't end up with guns.

What is testing and how is it enforced?

You need to accomplish various steps to get a permit and even that has limitations of what kind of gun and how many you are allowed to have.

And the guns have to be locked in a safe, unloaded, with bullets locked somewhere else.

And you can't have more than like 200 bullets.

And you're getting checked every now and then by the officers.

And no automatic weapons.

You can have all the best intentions in the world, but if some girl doesn't want to have sex with your zit faced greasy teenage kid, all bets are off.

And maybe she complains about not finding a decent guy after that.

I'm going to be a little judgemental here and say that a guy who commits mass murder probably doesn't qualify as decent.

Not sure if the "best intentions" guy was meant for the mass murderer, I thought it refered to the ones trying to regulate guns.

I meant that a gun owning parent can do all the right things and they themselves would never hurt a soul with a gun. But if their greasy shithead kid gets rejected at school and gets a little angry, he can grab the guns and mass murder people over it.

Just because you have an unloaded gun, locked in a safe with bullets locked somewhere else, doesn't mean your kid cant access it if he really wants it. If you can access it, so can he.

As much as I hate guns and enjoy my civilian free gun law life here in Oz, the reality is, the people who commit these crimes, will move heaven and earth to get hold of a gun to commit these atrocities. The problem is the culture.

I remember watching an episode of the Simpsons but there was one scene that was cut from Australian TV that I saw on a downloaded episode. It was the episode where the character 'Snake' breaks into the Simpsons house annoyed with their singing (on of those singing story episodes). Anyway, for Australian audiences they cut out the bit where Snake points the gun to every Simpsons character (including the baby) and pulls the trigger going click click click etc, without any hesitation. The only thing saving them was that he was out of bullets. For you guys, maybe that's normal, for me, I found that quite disgusting for a cartoon aimed at entertaining children. Your culture has a lot of hideous aspects to it.

Just saying  8)

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