Another mass shooting...

Very sad and depressing, all this suffering.

Short bursts of anger where people snap is a societal issue.

One which no gun control measures enacted virtually anywhere have ever resolved.

You take away peoples guns you just make them allthemore controllable and malleable by government. Consequentially those who fall through the cracks in any society due to mental illness just find other ways to slaughter people. And there is always the black market, which will always exist. In Europe especially there is a thriving illegal gun market that has been getting larger increasingly.

Gun control only affects law abiding citizens, not criminals. You also will no longer be able to regulate the market.

I’m not excusing mass shootings/murders, but these happen in every other country too.

I’m not excusing mass shootings/murders, but these happen in every other country too.

Gun control only affects law abiding citizens, not criminals. You also will no longer be able to regulate the market.

Quote from: Denspressure on April 16, 2021, 01:35:16 PM

Very sad and depressing, all this suffering.

Short bursts of anger where people snap is a societal issue.

One which no gun control measures enacted virtually anywhere have ever resolved.

You take away peoples guns you just make them allthemore controllable and malleable by government. Consequentially those who fall through the cracks in any society due to mental illness just find other ways to slaughter people. And there is always the black market, which will always exist. In Europe especially there is a thriving illegal gun market that has been getting larger increasingly.

Gun control only affects law abiding citizens, not criminals. You also will no longer be able to regulate the market.

I’m not excusing mass shootings/murders, but these happen in every other country too.

I hate that whole "black market exists" BS.
1. Where the hell is the black market?  How would I get a gun/drugs/children on it? 
2. Where does their supply come from?

Answers:
1. Most people don't know.   So if I snap, I have no idea how to find an illegal gun that someone will sell.  I'd google it, which is what police/fbi/local agencies do.  So not that helpful.  What most people do is either legally buy one or steal from someone they know has a gun. 

2. Some are smuggled in, sure, but most are from LEGAL OWNERS.  Especially in the US.  Buying for your "friend".  Selling in a gunshop for "extra".  Or just breaking into someone's house and stealing their guns. The majority of guns come from people who had one legally and sold it, had it stolen, or was allowed to purchase it.
And Mexico?  American guns get smuggled south, fyi.  If America had less guns, less guns would go to Mexico, making it safer.

What, do you think there's big factories all making guns for a black market on b-bay.com?

Gun control only affects law abiding citizens, not criminals. You also will no longer be able to regulate the market.

I’m not excusing mass shootings/murders, but these happen in every other country too.

Authorities pleaded Sunday for help in locating a suspect who opened fire at a Kenosha County tavern in a confrontation that left three people dead and two people seriously injured.

Worst in recent memeory was norway and the french mohammed newspaper.
Also
Many of those eruo countries have similar military and hunting cultures as usa.
So theyre gun familiar.
But muchmuchmuuuuuch better social prograns.

Quote from: Themightykabool on April 17, 2021, 02:39:00 PM

Worst in recent memeory was norway and the french mohammed newspaper.
Also
Many of those eruo countries have similar military and hunting cultures as usa.
So theyre gun familiar.
But muchmuchmuuuuuch better social prograns.

Gun culture in many European countries is the reason for so few gun deaths.

Imagine living in a country where handguns are simply banned. Where you can own a hunting rifle and shotgun, but you have to store them at the police station and check them out when you want to use them.

A bit less convenient but no worries about them being stolen or your kid or your friends kids finding them and shooting someone by accident.

And if you storm into the police station mumbling about how your wife is a cheatin whore and demand your shotgun, yeah. Good luck with that.

Compared to the USA where you can just avoid every gun law on the books and buy one from a gun show and keep it loaded and stuffed in your pants in many states so you can pull it out and shoot that guy who looked at you funny.  And people wonder why the US has so many shootings.

Hint. It's all the guns.

What American Freedom looks like

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/

No thanks 

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (AP) — A gunman opened fire at a birthday party in Colorado, slaying six adults before killing himself Sunday, police said.

The shooting happened just after midnight in a mobile home park on the east side of Colorado Springs, police said.

Officers arrived at a trailer to find six dead adults and a man with serious injuries who died later at a hospital, the Colorado Springs Gazette reported.

The suspected shooter was the boyfriend of a female victim at the party attended by friends, family and children. He walked inside and opened fire before shooting himself, police said. Children at the attack weren’t hurt and were placed with relatives.

So glad Australia doesn't have some shitty bill of rights.

this map is silly and anytime someone uses it it matches teh population density of the usa.


this one is more applicable (disclaimer, i have not vetted any of these maps...)

ownership:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0d/World_map_of_civilian_gun_ownership_-_2nd_color_scheme.svg

violence:
http://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/assets/4594341/gun_ownership_map.jpg

Steps you need to take to legally obtain a handgun

The sport of competitive handgun shooting exists only within a framework of police-approved clubs, which coordinate events on police-approved ranges across the nation. Gun laws are a state-based issue, so each of the scenarios that control the pistol shooting sports may vary slightly, but in essence the following may be taken as the general rule across our nation.

The Prime Minister announced an agreement between states and the Federal Government on December 6, 2002, which covered 28 resolutions tightening handgun controls for the legitimate sporting shooter. A person should attend at a club and make it known that they are interested in joining. The details of clubs can usually be located within firearm publications or by searching the internet. The person then has to undertake formalised safety training in the safe use of firearms. In some states this is done within the club framework or the course is completed in an external agency. The safety training is a mandated requirement for police to start the licence issue process. Some states state in legislation that safety training is to be undertaken, whilst others regulate that the registrar may require completion of a satisfactory course before issuing a licence.

The candidate then must complete six months probation within the club, during which time they are not allowed to purchase a handgun. Ongoing instruction about the club rules and firearm safety occurs within this time frame, after which the person may then, with club consent, apply to the registrar of firearms for a handgun licence.

Recent changes to firearm laws as a result of the COAG December 2006 agreement now restricts the new member to an initial purchase of a small calibre target pistol. The applicant must also have applied for and been granted a firearm licence, which is dependent upon a nation-wide criminal record check, looking for a history of violence, warrants and domestic violence orders. The applicant must also submit proof of successfully completing the firearms safety training course at the time of licence application.

Once the person receives a firearm licence with personal photograph attached, they can then attend at a licenced firearm dealer and select a handgun which is suitable for the competition in which they intend to take part. This firearm may be a single-shot air pistol, a single-shot .22-calibre pistol or a .22-calibre revolver or self-loading pistol.

When the details of the selected firearm are known, they are submitted back to the police on an Approval to Purchase form, which is checked by police as to the correct details of the firearm, the current owner (seller) and that the person submitting the approval request is, in fact, in possession of a current firearm licence.

The applicant has to wait 28 days for this process to take place. If the police approve the purchase, the applicant is notified in writing and they can then collect the handgun from the dealer upon producing their current photographic firearm licence and the Approval to Purchase form approved by the police.

The applicant then has 14 days to take the firearm to the nearest police station to where they live and register the firearm in their own name. (This is a SA policy and may vary in different states.) After payment of the fee, the applicant can then only use the handgun at an approved range for an approved event within the approved club. This means that the handgun cannot be used for any other purpose other than target shooting at the pistol club. Breaching this purpose of use will result in punishment as defined by the Act.

The club member must attend at least four to six club events a year to retain club membership and endorsement for a handgun category of their firearm licence. The clubs are bound to advise the registry if a member has not completed those events.

The handgun owner is under a legal requirement to store the firearm under security arrangements defined under the Act and regulations. Gun safes usually cost about $400 to $800.

If the club member wishes to purchase another handgun, then they must go through the same process of approval to purchase, club endorsement, registration and secure storage regime. If the club member wishes to sell a handgun, then it can only be sold to another licenced person (after the purchaser obtains an approval to purchase) or to a licenced firearm dealer.

Quote from: Shifter on April 16, 2021, 11:40:21 PM

So glad Australia doesn't have some shitty bill of rights.

Are you in Oz?

Quote from: Ferrell Katz on May 09, 2021, 04:13:37 PM

Quote from: Shifter on April 16, 2021, 11:40:21 PM

So glad Australia doesn't have some shitty bill of rights.

Are you in Oz?

Yep. In the land of Oz. No wizards though

Quote from: Shifter on May 09, 2021, 04:21:26 PM

Quote from: Ferrell Katz on May 09, 2021, 04:13:37 PM

Quote from: Shifter on April 16, 2021, 11:40:21 PM

So glad Australia doesn't have some shitty bill of rights.

Are you in Oz?

Yep. In the land of Oz. No wizards though

We missed our annual trip to the Northern Beaches this year due to COVID.

In America it's as simple as saying 'I want one'.

Quote from: Shifter on May 09, 2021, 04:20:35 PM

In America it's as simple as saying 'I want one'.

This is bullshit.

Quote from: WISHTOLAUGH on May 10, 2021, 03:50:36 AM

Quote from: Shifter on May 09, 2021, 04:20:35 PM

In America it's as simple as saying 'I want one'.

This is bullshit.

https://www.armslist.com/

Quote from: Shifter on May 10, 2021, 04:11:17 AM

Quote from: WISHTOLAUGH on May 10, 2021, 03:50:36 AM

Quote from: Shifter on May 09, 2021, 04:20:35 PM

In America it's as simple as saying 'I want one'.

This is bullshit.

https://www.armslist.com/

There are plenty of places offering guns and ammunition for sale.

What is your point?

For clarity, my point is your point (that it is easier to obtain a gun in the US than other places) is pure bullshit.

Quote from: Ferrell Katz on May 09, 2021, 09:08:33 PM

Quote from: Shifter on May 09, 2021, 04:21:26 PM

Quote from: Ferrell Katz on May 09, 2021, 04:13:37 PM

Quote from: Shifter on April 16, 2021, 11:40:21 PM

So glad Australia doesn't have some shitty bill of rights.

Are you in Oz?

Yep. In the land of Oz. No wizards though

We missed our annual trip to the Northern Beaches this year due to COVID.

Our 'Great Leader' Scott Morrison has not only forbid Australians from leaving the country and in some cases, forbid them to return, but barred any visitor (except maybe some new Zealanders) from coming here 'indefinitely' (his words)

Might as well be in North Korea 

People will still vote for this Muppet so things won't change for the better

Quote from: Shifter on May 09, 2021, 09:13:48 PM

Quote from: Ferrell Katz on May 09, 2021, 09:08:33 PM

Quote from: Shifter on May 09, 2021, 04:21:26 PM

Quote from: Ferrell Katz on May 09, 2021, 04:13:37 PM

Quote from: Shifter on April 16, 2021, 11:40:21 PM

So glad Australia doesn't have some shitty bill of rights.

Are you in Oz?

Yep. In the land of Oz. No wizards though

We missed our annual trip to the Northern Beaches this year due to COVID.

Our 'Great Leader' Scott Morrison has not only forbid Australians from leaving the country and in some cases, forbid them to return, but barred any visitor (except maybe some new Zealanders) from coming here 'indefinitely' (his words)

Might as well be in North Korea 

People will still vote for this Muppet so things won't change for the better

We have a granddaughter we've never seen, and she'll be a year in June. We're just hoping we'll be allowed in by year end.

Up to 11 people including eight children have died after a school shooting in Russia.

Two unidentified attackers opened fire at the high school in Kazan on Tuesday.

“Eight schoolchildren and a teacher were killed,” a source told the Interfax news agency.

Reports from Russian media later suggested up to 11 people had been killed, with the majority of the victims children.

Photos from the scene show people outside the school with dozens of police vehicles and fire engines nearby.

One attacker, a 17-year-old, was arrested, and a second was killed, officials said on Tuesday.

There are alot of shootings in oregon and they are getting stupider and stupider.
Man kills brothers wife over laundry dispute.