Another mass shooting...

I understand. It's scary for some people to wait hours for facts before passing judgment.You apparently have that special gene that allows you to bypass facts and evidence
that interfere with your predetermined opinion.
I envy you. I wish my brain had an idle speed.   

Not “facts and evidence”, just this shit head’s story, that in his mind portrays him in the best possible light under the circumstances.  He claims he didn’t murder these women because he’s sexist or racist, but because he’s such a virile manly man he just couldn’t control his urges.   Amazing the police lent any credibility to this.

Why should anyone give a fuck about his excuses? Why not call him a racist sexist loser who killed these women because they saw his tiny flaccid prick? 

Republican representatives apparently think being prejudiced against Asian people is fine.  Well I think being prejudiced against piece of shit murdering psychopaths is fine. Fuck his feelings.

Understanding why some people behave or think the way they do can help us to learn and maybe reduce or prevent the likelihood it happens again

Why did this guy fall through the cracks? How did he come to be a 'sex addict'? What kind of shit does he follow that led him to believe murdering sex workers was an acceptable solution?

Or maybe you're right. It's all too hard. Just write it off as having 'just some guy having a bad day'

I'm going to hazard a guess at too much porn and too little real human relationships, probably resulting from the first thing.

Quote from: boydster on March 19, 2021, 06:39:26 PM

. . . it was a hate crime whether it was racially motivated or motivated due to the guy's sex addiction.

That is the lunacy of "hate crime".There is no end to the definition.
If a girl beats her boyfriend to death for having a side piece,is that a hate crime?

Welcome to the real world where things can get confusing.

The KKK lynching black men, women and even children in the 60s and getting away with it because the local sheriffs were members and helping, that's a hate crime.

Just because it can be hard to decide in some cases doesn't mean the entire idea of hate crimes is "lunacy".  Those laws were passed for good reason.

If you're going to go down that road, you might as well call the crime of "murder" lunacy because there are plenty of cases that are not easy to decide.  So lets just remove murder from the books because you can make up silly examples about it.

Defindd as hating someone for their merely being different and existencing in your prescence.


A jealous girlfriend hates your guts, but if she only cuts your dick off, thats dom violence.
If she cuts off 2 or more stranges dicks then shes a wacko serial hater.

Quote from: boydster on March 19, 2021, 06:39:26 PM

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/books/story/2021-03-19/tracy-quan-dont-forget-the-atlanta-shooting-is-a-hate-crime-against-sex-workers

An interesting read from the perspective of an Asian American who also used to be a sex worker and who can see the possibility that this wasn't a crime committed because of race. Which, she is clear to state and I didn't but should have, shouldn't preclude it from still being considered a hate crime, because it was a hate crime whether it was racially motivated or motivated due to the guy's sex addiction.

If you ask Trump if he 'loves women' will he say 'no, I'm a sexist misogynist and have no respect for them'? Of course he won't. When he says he 'loves women' he may even believe it to be true but objectively is it?

This shooter... He may say it's his sex addiction but what is it about women he finds their life and value so disposable? So worthless he has zero issue in shooting them dead for his problem?

Another thing.... Surely the sex industry isn't limited to Asian women. Did he only target the ones that had Asian workers?

He may not think he's racist, but deep down he probably harbours a prejudice in the way he thinks Asians and/or women have little value. Racism and sexism is not limited to 'hate'

I'm not sure he saw them as having no value.  While I haven't read up on the latest bits (like sex workers), based on the flow of argument here, it sounds like they were quite valuable to him but he hated himself for it, so he removed the temptation by killing them.  Kinda like flushing your drugs to try to get clean.  Except the drug was other people who did not deserve to die.

Another thing.... Surely the sex industry isn't limited to Asian women. Did he only target the ones that had Asian workers?

I overlooked this part of your quote earlier, just noticed it when Lorddave replied. The illicit massage parlor industry in the US is primarily made up of Asian women workers.

Quote from: Shifter on March 19, 2021, 09:28:52 PM

Another thing.... Surely the sex industry isn't limited to Asian women. Did he only target the ones that had Asian workers?

I overlooked this part of your quote earlier, just noticed it when Lorddave replied. The illicit massage parlor industry in the US is primarily made up of Asian women workers.

I haven't quite kept up with this particular incident since I've been unclear about whether this is a racist thing or a misogyny thing.

I also don't know if the news has been very forthright about Asian massage parlors.  Here's how it is in Vegas.  I assume it's similar elsewhere.  In the part of town where all the Asian businesses are clustered there's a ridiculous amount of massage parlors, it's like convenience stores and Starbuck's in this part of town.  It's an open secret that these places where prostitutes work.  It's also assumed that a lot of them got there by human trafficking. 

So depending on this guy's situation it is entirely possible that the easiest access he had to prostitutes were all Asian.

Brothels pretending to be massage parlors are a thing in Florida, too. They're all mostly Asian women, and trafficking is an issue.

I think that's the case pretty much across the US.  Human trafficking isn't something that a single store owner just decides to start doing on their own, it's an organized system that's got it's hooks into pretty much every community at this point. 

Quote from: boydster on March 21, 2021, 06:20:03 AM

Quote from: Shifter on March 19, 2021, 09:28:52 PM

Another thing.... Surely the sex industry isn't limited to Asian women. Did he only target the ones that had Asian workers?

I overlooked this part of your quote earlier, just noticed it when Lorddave replied. The illicit massage parlor industry in the US is primarily made up of Asian women workers.

I haven't quite kept up with this particular incident since I've been unclear about whether this is a racist thing or a misogyny thing.

I also don't know if the news has been very forthright about Asian massage parlors.  Here's how it is in Vegas.  I assume it's similar elsewhere.  In the part of town where all the Asian businesses are clustered there's a ridiculous amount of massage parlors, it's like convenience stores and Starbuck's in this part of town.  It's an open secret that these places where prostitutes work.  It's also assumed that a lot of them got there by human trafficking. 

So depending on this guy's situation it is entirely possible that the easiest access he had to prostitutes were all Asian.

Everyone in New England that watches football or knows someone that watches football was hit over the head with the whole massage-parlor-and-brothel thing right before the last Superbowl the Patriots won. The team owner famously got busted leaving one of those places, and since it was getting headlines, there were naturally other stories that took a deeper dive into the human trafficking part of the story and how it disproportionately affects Asian women.

You guys take your lead from Tucker Carlson. I'll take mine by people like this



I think she's quite on point

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/colorado-king-soopers-shooting/index.html

Colorado incident is seventh mass shooting in US in past 7 days

Monday's mass shooting at a supermarket in Boulder, Colorado, comes less than a week after eight people were killed in a series of attacks on spas in Atlanta.

The two incidents are likely to spur discussion about gun control legislation in the United States, where firearm deaths are tragically common. They are also among at least seven mass shootings in the past week across the US -- including three incidents on Saturday alone.

Atlanta, March 16: Eight people, including six Asian women, were killed when a White gunman stormed three spas, police said.

Stockton, California, March 17: Five people who were preparing a vigil in Stockton, in California's Central Valley, were shot in a drive-by shooting, the San Joaquin Sheriff's Department said. None had life-threatening injuries.
   
Gresham, Oregon, March 18: Four victims were taken to the hospital after a shooting in the city east of Portland, police said in an initial report on Twitter.
   
Houston, March 20: Five people were shot after a disturbance inside a club, according to police. One was in critical condition after being shot in the neck, the rest were in stable condition, according to CNN affiliate KPRC.
   
Dallas, March 20: Eight people were shot by an unknown assailant, one of whom died, according to police.
   
Philadelphia, March 20: One person was killed and another five were injured during a shooting at an illegal party, CNN affiliate KYW reported. "There were at least 150 people in there that fled and believed they had to flee for their lives,” Philadelphia Police Commissioner Danielle Outlaw said.
   
Boulder, Colorado, March 22: Ten people, including a Boulder police officer, were killed in a shooting at the King Soopers supermarket, according to police.

I didn't realize there had been so many this week.

It's been very quiet on the mass shooting front for the last year, I assume from covid lockdowns.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/03/23/boulder-shooting-live-updates/

"Law enforcement officials said the suspect, Ahmad Al Issa..."

Okay...

a middle eastern terrorist?
i'm actually surprised.

It's very quaint.  Of course all we know is his name.  Totally possible it isn't a radical Islam thing.

well
if he was a white guy i would assume he was "having a bad day".

since he's brown, i'll expect all fox "news" and co to tell everyone to buy guns and "politicize" this around "brown-man-bad".

It's very quaint.  Of course all we know is his name.  Totally possible it isn't a radical Islam thing.

Apparently Facebook has scrubbed his profile.

Quote from: Crouton on March 23, 2021, 08:19:19 AM

It's very quaint.  Of course all we know is his name.  Totally possible it isn't a radical Islam thing.

Apparently Facebook has scrubbed his profile.

As they do with any mass shooting suspect.

I see the right wing websites are all over that like it's something sinister and not policy they have followed for the last dozen shooters with racist/conspiracy/hate speech all over it.  They do this for right wing or left wing terrorists.  Or in this guys case, a mix of both?

It's interesting how pretty much all the right wing websites say "scrubbed" while the rest say "taken down". Shows how language is used to alter perceptions.

"Cancelled"

So for these victims we have police 'promising justice' and the president calling for flags to be flown at half mast to honour the victims. All well and good but when the victims are mainly coloured people from a white shooter it's 'he was having a bad day'

Any wonder why coloured people feel like 2nd class citizens and say there is racism?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/boulder-shooting-suspect-ahmad-al-aliwi-alissa-what-we-know

So far it doesn't look like a radical Islam thing.  The guy just seems like a violent asshole.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/boulder-shooting-suspect-ahmad-al-aliwi-alissa-what-we-know

So far it doesn't look like a radical Islam thing.  The guy just seems like a violent asshole.

They should have prosecuted him for assault when he beat another guy up when he was 18.

Quote from: Crouton on March 23, 2021, 01:55:14 PM

https://www.foxnews.com/us/boulder-shooting-suspect-ahmad-al-aliwi-alissa-what-we-know

So far it doesn't look like a radical Islam thing.  The guy just seems like a violent asshole.

They should have prosecuted him for assault when he beat another guy up when he was 18.

This seems like a mass shooting that well implemented red flag gun laws would have prevented.

Is tgg he at a joke or real post? Colorado now has red flag law.

Not a joke. I was not aware of that. I guess his offences weren't regarded as red flags.

I wonder if you have to be convicted of something to trigger the red flag law?

No. Family and house mates can do it.

It seems fine for the court of public opinion to charge anyone with an Islamic sounding name of terrorism whenever they murder people - but the moment a 'white guy' does something, it's 'oh hes having a bad day' or 'he had a mental breakdown/alcohol/drugs etc' or some other washing away the motive

I wanted to re-examine this observation, which turns out to be just more foolishness from the king of foolishness, given the recent event in Colorado.

The media did everything they they could to make the shooter white.

Shitler at work again.

I didnt see or hear that

You have some lcips?