Another mass shooting...

Quote from: Jura-Glenlivet II on December 01, 2022, 01:33:38 AM

Love and fear God! That’s one fucked up relationship, but back to the thread. What would Jesus do about all the children dying because morons have been brainwashed into believing that small arms are a necessity by Smith & Wesson’s marketing department?

Look it up.

I did.
https://www.biblestudytools.com/luke/22-36.html#:~:text=Luke%2022%3A36%20In%2DContext&text=%2C%E2%80%9D%20they%20answered.-,36%20He%20said%20to%20them%2C%20%E2%80%9CBut%20now%20if%20you%20have,must%20be%20fulfilled%20in%20me.


Long story short: he's using a turn of phrase, not a literal command.  He's going to die soon and his apostiles will meet opposition in the comming days as he, jesus will not be there to save them.


All you do is show your ignorance of your own bible.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on December 01, 2022, 04:12:17 AM

Quote from: Jura-Glenlivet II on December 01, 2022, 01:33:38 AM

Love and fear God! That’s one fucked up relationship, but back to the thread. What would Jesus do about all the children dying because morons have been brainwashed into believing that small arms are a necessity by Smith & Wesson’s marketing department?

Look it up.

I did.
https://www.biblestudytools.com/luke/22-36.html#:~:text=Luke%2022%3A36%20In%2DContext&text=%2C%E2%80%9D%20they%20answered.-,36%20He%20said%20to%20them%2C%20%E2%80%9CBut%20now%20if%20you%20have,must%20be%20fulfilled%20in%20me.


Long story short: he's using a turn of phrase, not a literal command.  He's going to die soon and his apostiles will meet opposition in the comming days as he, jesus will not be there to save them.


All you do is show your ignorance of your own bible.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sell_your_cloak_and_buy_a_sword

2s good enough (how many disciples were there?)

'Immediately' followed by he who lives by sword dies by the sword.

Alsoaslo

The constitutional requirement to be part of a well regulated Militia (proper noun)

And section 16 says that congress is in charge of the militia.

Good stuff thwt constitution.




The Militia Clauses
Clause 15. The Congress shall have Power * * * To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions.

Clause 16. The Congress shall have Power * * * To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress.

"Fear' God?



With awe and reverence


Not trembling.

Pass.

Look it up.

What does an Abercrombie & Fitch pants ad have to do with any of this?

It's what the gentle carpenter would do.  He only turns the other cheek to grab another can of whoop ass.

I have to wonder if any of these "Christians" have even read the Bible.  The gospels taken as a whole portray Jesus as being pretty much a communist pacifist.

It's what the gentle carpenter would do.  He only turns the other cheek to grab another can of whoop ass.

I have to wonder if any of these "Christians" have even read the Bible.  The gospels taken as a whole portray Jesus as being pretty much a communist pacifist.

Many haven't or they are told, in church, a different interpretation.

Jesus was a super liberal.  So liberal, that he made his own religion without trying to.

It's what the gentle carpenter would do.  He only turns the other cheek to grab another can of whoop ass.

I have to wonder if any of these "Christians" have even read the Bible.  The gospels taken as a whole portray Jesus as being pretty much a communist pacifist.

And Jesus said

"Ill be bawk"

Why do you not think we could have an honest discussion on this? Your recent conversion has clearly had a profound effect on your thinking, and I am curious to see if you have any fundamental changes in your outlook, which to be honest I consider having been pretty toxic in the past.

If this is too early or you are still working through stuff, fine I’ll back off and wish you well, but you are posting this revelation all over a discussion forum.

I fully admit to coming from an opposing mind set vis-a-vis religion but it still fascinates me as to how every world view from pacifism to jihad can be justified by using the same text.
 

It wasn't a conversation but a confirmation. I was converted years ago, I only recently gave my life to Jesus and that's the change you seem

Jihad cannot be justified using the same texts as I read. They are separate.

On the issue of gun control my issue is men with guns taking other men's guns. If we could take away all guns I'd support it.

Gun control now is a consolidation of power.

"Fear' God?



With awe and reverence


Not trembling.

Blessed is he who trembles at his word.

Jesus as being pretty much a communist pacifist.

Crouton is a communist.
Crouton is a communist and believes the best way to sow doubt in Jesus is to call him a communist, like himself.

Jesus was not a Marxist. Anything but a Marxist.

This says more about you than about the bible, Crouton.

Quote from: Crouton on December 01, 2022, 10:54:56 AM

Jesus as being pretty much a communist pacifist.

Crouton is a communist.
Crouton is a communist and believes the best way to sow doubt in Jesus is to call him a communist, like himself.

Jesus was not a Marxist. Anything but a Marxist.

This says more about you than about the bible, Crouton.

Have you actually read the Gospel?

It's written on my heart Crouton.

Last night I was reading Isaiah.

Do you think I don't take this seriously?
It defines me.

It's written on my heart Crouton.

Last night I was reading Isaiah.

Do you think I don't take this seriously?
It defines me.

I'm sure you take it seriously.  I just think that you're bending your religion to fit your ideology as opposed to letting the religion shape your ideology.

Jesus IS my ideology.

You're the one trying to turn Jesus into a partisan issue.

There are really only two spiritual forces that hold sway over the earth. The spirit of creation and the spirit of destruction.

Marxism and Communism do not have the spirit of creation, instead they seek to tear down and destroy.

Jesus IS my ideology.

You're the one trying to turn Jesus into a partisan issue.

There are really only two spiritual forces that hold sway over the earth. The spirit of creation and the spirit of destruction.

Marxism and Communism do not have the spirit of creation, instead they seek to tear down and destroy.

Let's play out a hypothetical.

Jesus is at a board meeting for the Mormon church or if you prefer the Catholic church.  Both would work well for this what if.

During the board meeting the question comes up as to what to do with the massive wealth the church has accumulated.

Does Jesus say:

A.  Let's reinvest this strategically to maximize profits and expand the church.

B.  Let's liquidate every physical asset this church has and give every cent it to the poor.  We can hold sermons on public land.  It's kind of my thing.

Jesus answers this himself in one word.

Mammon.

God provides for us all our needs.
There's nothing left to debate.

I often say to Him that all I have to give Him is dust and ashes. The Holy Spirit replies;
And Glory.

I live by his example.
Can you?

@Crouton.


Why are beautiful chord progressions beautiful?

Jesus answers this himself in one word.

Mammon.

God provides for us all our needs.
There's nothing left to debate.

I often say to Him that all I have to give Him is dust and ashes. The Holy Spirit replies;
And Glory.

I live by his example.
Can you?

That's not an answer.

To answer your question I'm not a Christian so I'm under no obligation to do anything of thr sort.

What is my obligation then, to you?

How many church services are held in communist societies? As a general rule?

Services held here, regularly, right in downtown Moscow...Just a stone's throw from the Kremlin...

You're 33 years late.

That's pretty funny actually.

The wall fell in 1989.

Edit.

The Soviet Union was established by the Bolsheviks in 1922, in place of the Russian Empire. At the time of the 1917 Revolution, the Russian Orthodox Church was deeply integrated into the autocratic state, enjoying official status. This was a significant factor that contributed to the Bolshevik attitude to religion and the steps they took to control it.[1] Thus the USSR became the first state to have as one objective of its official ideology the elimination of existing religion, and the prevention of future implanting of religious belief, with the goal of establishing state atheism

Want to try again?

Jesus answers this himself in one word.

Mammon.

God provides for us all our needs.
There's nothing left to debate.

I often say to Him that all I have to give Him is dust and ashes. The Holy Spirit replies;
And Glory.

I live by his example.
Can you?

If God provides all you need, why do you have a job?  A computer?  Possibly a car?  All paid for by you?
Also lets not forget: he healed the poor without gain.  Without asking for payment.  Isn't that communism, as is typically said when talking about universal health care?

You're 33 years late.

That's pretty funny actually.

The wall fell in 1989.

Edit.

Quote

The Soviet Union was established by the Bolsheviks in 1922, in place of the Russian Empire. At the time of the 1917 Revolution, the Russian Orthodox Church was deeply integrated into the autocratic state, enjoying official status. This was a significant factor that contributed to the Bolshevik attitude to religion and the steps they took to control it.[1] Thus the USSR became the first state to have as one objective of its official ideology the elimination of existing religion, and the prevention of future implanting of religious belief, with the goal of establishing state atheism

Want to try again?

Now, is that a communist policy or a USSR policy?  Because you CAN be a dictator and not be communist.

God is against greed.

That doesn't mean he wants to enforce state athiesm, like nearly all examples of communism.

You are climbing out on quite a thin branch now.

God is against greed.

That doesn't mean he wants to enforce state athiesm, like nearly all examples of communism.

You are climbing out on quite a thin branch now.

But is enforced State Atheism a part of communism (which is an economic policy) or just what those nations did to keep dictatoral control?

Plenty of churches in China too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_China

As of 2012 in China Catholicism has 6,300 churches, 116 active dioceses of which 97 under the Catholic Patriotic Church, 74 Chinese Patriotic bishops and 40 Roman Catholic unofficial bishops, 2,150 Chinese Patriotic priests and 1,500 Roman Catholic priests, 22 major and minor Chinese Patriotic seminaries and 10 Roman Catholic unofficial seminaries.[91] In the same year, there are 53,000 Three-Self churches and meeting places and 21 Three-Self theological seminaries.[91]

Dipshitone, you can cut the 'I'm such a good human because I'm a loving Christian' bullshit. No one here takes you seriously on that. Your rep as a bigot and liar is too ingrained. It's so obvious it's just another trolling shtick like accusing people of being bots/AI nonsense. You're obviously pretty bored of life flipping that traffic sign between stop/slow. We get it OK?

Quote from: disputeone on December 01, 2022, 09:34:53 PM

God is against greed.

That doesn't mean he wants to enforce state athiesm, like nearly all examples of communism.

You are climbing out on quite a thin branch now.

But is enforced State Atheism a part of communism (which is an economic policy) or just what those nations did to keep dictatoral control?

Which communist society held religion in a high regard?

Your branch is about to snap.

Xi thinks himself above Christ.
https://clashdaily.com/2021/07/ccp-to-chinese-churches-teach-xis-speeches-or-get-shut-down/

Quote from: Lorddave on December 01, 2022, 09:41:26 PM

Quote from: disputeone on December 01, 2022, 09:34:53 PM

God is against greed.

That doesn't mean he wants to enforce state athiesm, like nearly all examples of communism.

You are climbing out on quite a thin branch now.

But is enforced State Atheism a part of communism (which is an economic policy) or just what those nations did to keep dictatoral control?

Which communist society held religion in a high regard?

Your branch is about to snap.

Xi thinks himself above Christ.
https://clashdaily.com/2021/07/ccp-to-chinese-churches-teach-xis-speeches-or-get-shut-down/

Goal posts have been shifted thusly...

We've now gone from:

That doesn't mean he wants to enforce state athiesm, like nearly all examples of communism.

To Well, ok, how about holding religion in high regard...

Just quit it with the holier than now garbage. No one is buying it.

I am dust and ashes.

If God thought we needed an economist he would have sent an economist.

Instead he sent a Judge, and a Savior.

If God thought we needed an economist he would have sent an economist.

That is the dumbest thing I've read in a while. But absolutely hilarious. You should take this schtick on the road.