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Title: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Kami on February 23, 2017, 04:55:18 AM
Hey,

as promised, I performed a rough estimate on the mechanics involving a lunar transfer orbit. A more detailed, numerical calculation might follow in the next few days.

Heiwa, this should clear up that it is definitely possible to get to the moon (I admit that the actual orbit around the moon can not be calculated with this method, for this there will be the numerical integrator which might come later) and that you should never boost towards the moon. If you find any errors, please point them out.

Generally I would love if someone double-checked my math, the numbers do make sense but still..

The document can be found at https://www.docdroid.net/nSZ6vXb/moon.pdf.html
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on February 23, 2017, 08:27:33 AM
Hey,

as promised, I performed a rough estimate on the mechanics involving a lunar transfer orbit. A more detailed, numerical calculation might follow in the next few days.

Heiwa, this should clear up that it is definitely possible to get to the moon (I admit that the actual orbit around the moon can not be calculated with this method, for this there will be the numerical integrator which might come later) and that you should never boost towards the moon. If you find any errors, please point them out.

Generally I would love if someone double-checked my math, the numbers do make sense but still..

The document can be found at https://www.docdroid.net/nSZ6vXb/moon.pdf.html

Hm, so you are in LEO at 200 000 m altitude with speed 7 788 m/s and then you blast off at a certain time to 10 921 m/s to enter a very elliptic orbit around Earth that touches the orbit of the Moon around Earth. But is the Moon there? And what do you do then?

Sorry, it seems you don't understand my suggestion #1, i.e. that "no spacecraft of any kind can carry enough fuel for any trip anywhere in space and return safely to Earth".

My suggestion #2 is that "you cannot predict the trajectory between Earth and the target in space to ensure that the target is there, when you arrive".  It means that you'll miss the target and continue into Universe.

My suggestion #3 is that "you cannot re-enter and land on the rotating Earth after a trip in space". You cannot find the location at the top of the atmosphere above Earth to start any landing attempt and regardless you cannot brake going through the atmosphere, so you are vaporized.

I explain more at http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm . Very popular! >200 visitors/day. All free! No adverts! Just FUN! It is only rocket science and orbital mechanics. Please do not suggest I lack understanding of them.

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: frenat on February 23, 2017, 08:32:54 AM
Hey,

as promised, I performed a rough estimate on the mechanics involving a lunar transfer orbit. A more detailed, numerical calculation might follow in the next few days.

Heiwa, this should clear up that it is definitely possible to get to the moon (I admit that the actual orbit around the moon can not be calculated with this method, for this there will be the numerical integrator which might come later) and that you should never boost towards the moon. If you find any errors, please point them out.

Generally I would love if someone double-checked my math, the numbers do make sense but still..

The document can be found at https://www.docdroid.net/nSZ6vXb/moon.pdf.html

Hm, so you are in LEO at 200 000 m altitude with speed 7 788 m/s and then you blast off at a certain time to 10 921 m/s to enter a very elliptic orbit around Earth that touches the orbit of the Moon around Earth. But is the Moon there? And what do you do then?

Sorry, it seems you don't understand my suggestion #1, i.e. that "no spacecraft of any kind can carry enough fuel for any trip anywhere in space and return safely to Earth".

My suggestion #2 is that "you cannot predict the trajectory between Earth and the target in space to ensure that the target is there, when you arrive".  It means that you'll miss the target and continue into Universe.

My suggestion #3 is that "you cannot re-enter and land on the rotating Earth after a trip in space". You cannot find the location at the top of the atmosphere above Earth to start any landing attempt and regardless you cannot brake going through the atmosphere, so you are vaporized.

I explain more at http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm . Very popular! >200 visitors/day. All free! No adverts! Just FUN! It is only rocket science and orbital mechanics. Please do not suggest I lack understanding of them.
Translation: I don't understand it so it must not work.  Visit my website!!!!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: onebigmonkey on February 23, 2017, 10:41:47 AM
"I have decided it is impossible, therefore it is."

 ::)
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on February 23, 2017, 12:25:21 PM
Hey,

as promised, I performed a rough estimate on the mechanics involving a lunar transfer orbit. A more detailed, numerical calculation might follow in the next few days.

Heiwa, this should clear up that it is definitely possible to get to the moon (I admit that the actual orbit around the moon can not be calculated with this method, for this there will be the numerical integrator which might come later) and that you should never boost towards the moon. If you find any errors, please point them out.

Generally I would love if someone double-checked my math, the numbers do make sense but still..

The document can be found at https://www.docdroid.net/nSZ6vXb/moon.pdf.html

Hm, so you are in LEO at 200 000 m altitude with speed 7 788 m/s and then you blast off at a certain time to 10 921 m/s to enter a very elliptic orbit around Earth that touches the orbit of the Moon around Earth. But is the Moon there? And what do you do then?
Why shouldn't the moon be right where calculations predict that it should be?

Sorry, it seems you don't understand my suggestion #1, i.e. that "no spacecraft of any kind can carry enough fuel for any trip anywhere in space and return safely to Earth".

My suggestion #2 is that "you cannot predict the trajectory between Earth and the target in space to ensure that the target is there, when you arrive".  It means that you'll miss the target and continue into Universe.

My suggestion #3 is that "you cannot re-enter and land on the rotating Earth after a trip in space". You cannot find the location at the top of the atmosphere above Earth to start any landing attempt and regardless you cannot brake going through the atmosphere, so you are vaporized.
And you don't seem to understand our suggestion that you aren't as smart as you think you are.

I explain more at http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm . Very popular! >200 visitors/day. All free! No adverts! Just FUN! It is only rocket science and orbital mechanics. Please do not suggest I lack understanding of them.
Oh, we aren't suggesting that you lack understanding.  We're saying it outright.

YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THE PHYSICS INVOLVED NEARLY AS WELL AS YOU THINK YOU DO.

I seriously hope that you aren't the smartest person at your safety at sea company.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on February 23, 2017, 03:27:59 PM
Hey,

as promised, I performed a rough estimate on the mechanics involving a lunar transfer orbit. A more detailed, numerical calculation might follow in the next few days.

Heiwa, this should clear up that it is definitely possible to get to the moon (I admit that the actual orbit around the moon can not be calculated with this method, for this there will be the numerical integrator which might come later) and that you should never boost towards the moon. If you find any errors, please point them out.

Generally I would love if someone double-checked my math, the numbers do make sense but still..

The document can be found at https://www.docdroid.net/nSZ6vXb/moon.pdf.html

Hm, so you are in LEO at 200 000 m altitude with speed 7 788 m/s and then you blast off at a certain time to 10 921 m/s to enter a very elliptic orbit around Earth that touches the orbit of the Moon around Earth. But is the Moon there? And what do you do then?
Why shouldn't the moon be right where calculations predict that it should be?
Well, when you blast off from LEO you must first ensure that you are in the same plane as the Moon orbit. Space is 3D.
So your LEO plane must be same as the Moon orbit plane. If you blast off in the wrong direction, you will not arrive in the Moon orbit.
Second you must ensure that you arrive at the Moon orbit, when the Moon is there. The Moon orbits Earth in 28 days or so, i.e. it is moving all the time. If you blast off too early or late, you will arrive too early and too late.
Third - if you manage to arrive at the Moon orbit and the Moon is there, how do you avoid that Moon gravity pulls you down so you crash?
Rocket science is not easy. I explain all at my web site.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: frenat on February 23, 2017, 03:55:49 PM
Hey,

as promised, I performed a rough estimate on the mechanics involving a lunar transfer orbit. A more detailed, numerical calculation might follow in the next few days.

Heiwa, this should clear up that it is definitely possible to get to the moon (I admit that the actual orbit around the moon can not be calculated with this method, for this there will be the numerical integrator which might come later) and that you should never boost towards the moon. If you find any errors, please point them out.

Generally I would love if someone double-checked my math, the numbers do make sense but still..

The document can be found at https://www.docdroid.net/nSZ6vXb/moon.pdf.html

Hm, so you are in LEO at 200 000 m altitude with speed 7 788 m/s and then you blast off at a certain time to 10 921 m/s to enter a very elliptic orbit around Earth that touches the orbit of the Moon around Earth. But is the Moon there? And what do you do then?
Why shouldn't the moon be right where calculations predict that it should be?
Well, when you blast off from LEO you must first ensure that you are in the same plane as the Moon orbit. Space is 3D.
So your LEO plane must be same as the Moon orbit plane. If you blast off in the wrong direction, you will not arrive in the Moon orbit.
Second you must ensure that you arrive at the Moon orbit, when the Moon is there. The Moon orbits Earth in 28 days or so, i.e. it is moving all the time. If you blast off too early or late, you will arrive too early and too late.
Third - if you manage to arrive at the Moon orbit and the Moon is there, how do you avoid that Moon gravity pulls you down so you crash?
Rocket science is not easy. I explain all at my web site.

Thank you for proving AGAIN that you don't understand orbital mechanics.  If you did then you would not have written the above post.  All you've done is expose your ignorance.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Kami on February 23, 2017, 06:17:33 PM
Translation: I don't understand it so it must not work.  Visit my website!!!!
Thanks for that accurate translation. For a moment I had hoped that heiwa would actually read that.. But I guess that was foolish of me.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: disputeone on February 23, 2017, 06:29:36 PM
Kami is a mathematical god...

No pun intended.

Alright, you got me, the pun was intentional.

Hopefully Totes can peer review the math.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on February 23, 2017, 06:42:58 PM
Third - if you manage to arrive at the Moon orbit and the Moon is there, how do you avoid that Moon gravity pulls you down so you crash?
Pretty much the same way that Earth satellites deal with the fact that Earth gravity pulls them down.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on February 23, 2017, 06:47:02 PM
http://www.apollohoax.net/forum/index.php?topic=269.0

'Nuff said!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on February 23, 2017, 06:47:15 PM
Well, when you blast off from LEO you must first ensure that you are in the same plane as the Moon orbit. Space is 3D.

Now you're getting it.


So your LEO plane must be same as the Moon orbit plane. If you blast off in the wrong direction, you will not arrive in the Moon orbit.

There you go.


Second you must ensure that you arrive at the Moon orbit, when the Moon is there. The Moon orbits Earth in 28 days or so, i.e. it is moving all the time. If you blast off too early or late, you will arrive too early and too late.

Uh oh.


Third - if you manage to arrive at the Moon orbit and the Moon is there, how do you avoid that Moon gravity pulls you down so you crash?

Oh, hell.


Rocket science is not easy. I explain all at my web site.

Tangerines look look small oranges, but, they don't taste like small oranges.
WTF is up with that?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on February 24, 2017, 06:06:07 AM
http://www.apollohoax.net/forum/index.php?topic=269.0

'Nuff said!

Exactly. If you find my rocket science is wrong, I'll pay you €1M. Isn't it generous?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on February 24, 2017, 06:11:12 AM
Translation: I don't understand it so it must not work.  Visit my website!!!!
Thanks for that accurate translation. For a moment I had hoped that heiwa would actually read that.. But I guess that was foolish of me.

No. I read your post and replied. Now you have to explain how to arrive at the Moon when it is there ... and then how you avoid a collision.

I am an expert of collisions - http://heiwaco.com/ce_collision.htm .

So how to avoid a Moon collision? You slow down? You turn? What do you do to enable a landing?

And what shall you do on the Moon after landing. Build a hotel. Plant strawberries?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: disputeone on February 24, 2017, 06:43:18 AM
Do the moonwalk, duh...
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: onebigmonkey on February 24, 2017, 09:58:23 AM
Now you have to explain how to arrive at the Moon when it is there ... and then how you avoid a collision.

You fire your engine to slow yourself down and get captured by lunar gravity. Duh.


Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on February 24, 2017, 10:58:31 AM

I am an expert of collisions



No doubt.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on February 24, 2017, 12:09:51 PM
I am an expert of collisions

No doubt.
But is he any good at avoiding collisions?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on February 24, 2017, 12:29:13 PM
I am an expert of collisions

No doubt.
But is he any good at avoiding collisions?


Appears to be impervious.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Kami on February 24, 2017, 04:13:47 PM
Translation: I don't understand it so it must not work.  Visit my website!!!!
Thanks for that accurate translation. For a moment I had hoped that heiwa would actually read that.. But I guess that was foolish of me.

No. I read your post and replied. Now you have to explain how to arrive at the Moon when it is there ... and then how you avoid a collision.

I am an expert of collisions - http://heiwaco.com/ce_collision.htm .

So how to avoid a Moon collision? You slow down? You turn? What do you do to enable a landing?

And what shall you do on the Moon after landing. Build a hotel. Plant strawberries?
Collisions between ships have nothing to do with orbital mechanics.

I explained how to arrive at the moon when it is there. When you now aim at a point that is close to the moon then you avoid a collision. More details will come when I write the simulator.

What you do on the moon has literally nothing to do with the topic.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on February 24, 2017, 04:20:25 PM

Collisions between ships have nothing to do with orbital mechanics.



Spinning around and crying for your mommy is a kind of orbit.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on February 24, 2017, 08:22:27 PM
http://www.apollohoax.net/forum/index.php?topic=269.0

'Nuff said!

Exactly. If you find my rocket science is wrong, I'll pay you €1M. Isn't it generous?

You definitely owe the boys at apollohoax.

Also I believe you know a lot about collisions. It's clear you have had one too many!

Maybe you had an experience similar to Inti? Sixty punches to the head!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on February 24, 2017, 11:25:29 PM
Translation: I don't understand it so it must not work.  Visit my website!!!!
Thanks for that accurate translation. For a moment I had hoped that heiwa would actually read that.. But I guess that was foolish of me.

No. I read your post and replied. Now you have to explain how to arrive at the Moon when it is there ... and then how you avoid a collision.

I am an expert of collisions - http://heiwaco.com/ce_collision.htm .

So how to avoid a Moon collision? You slow down? You turn? What do you do to enable a landing?

And what shall you do on the Moon after landing. Build a hotel. Plant strawberries?

Collisions between ships have nothing to do with orbital mechanics.

I explained how to arrive at the moon when it is there. When you now aim at a point that is close to the moon then you avoid a collision. More details will come when I write the simulator.

What you do on the moon has literally nothing to do with the topic.

It has. If both (space) crafts are moving, the probability is high that they will miss each other = no collision encounter = just a miss.

Do you know Mr. W Tell? He was Swiss and shot at an apple on the head of his son. You have to be clever hitting that apple. Now imagine Mr. Tell's son running with the apple on the head. Try to hit the apple then and tell me how you do it.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on February 24, 2017, 11:29:42 PM
http://www.apollohoax.net/forum/index.php?topic=269.0

'Nuff said!

Exactly. If you find my rocket science is wrong, I'll pay you €1M. Isn't it generous?

You definitely owe the boys at apollohoax.

Also I believe you know a lot about collisions. It's clear you have had one too many!

Maybe you had an experience similar to Inti? Sixty punches to the head!

It seems all punches miss.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on February 24, 2017, 11:39:55 PM
http://www.apollohoax.net/forum/index.php?topic=269.0

'Nuff said!

Exactly. If you find my rocket science is wrong, I'll pay you €1M. Isn't it generous?

You definitely owe the boys at apollohoax.

Also I believe you know a lot about collisions. It's clear you have had one too many!

Maybe you had an experience similar to Inti? Sixty punches to the head!

It seems all punches miss.
No they don't.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: scabbage on February 25, 2017, 02:02:59 AM
If you find my rocket science is wrong, I'll pay you €1M. Isn't it generous?
I looked at your site, but you don't actually have any rocket science to debunk. The only thing you managed to do was do crude Google searches and quote NASA given information, before saying "nonsense!"

A very good safeguard for that €1M, to be sure (assuming it even exists).
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: disputeone on February 25, 2017, 02:10:29 AM
If you find my rocket science is wrong, I'll pay you €1M. Isn't it generous?
I looked at your site, but you don't actually have any rocket science to debunk. The only thing you managed to do was do crude Google searches and quote NASA given information, before saying "nonsense!"

A very good safeguard for that €1M, to be sure (assuming it even exists).

Theres been quite a lot of speculation on that, to be fair.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Kami on February 25, 2017, 02:12:28 AM
Translation: I don't understand it so it must not work.  Visit my website!!!!
Thanks for that accurate translation. For a moment I had hoped that heiwa would actually read that.. But I guess that was foolish of me.

No. I read your post and replied. Now you have to explain how to arrive at the Moon when it is there ... and then how you avoid a collision.

I am an expert of collisions - http://heiwaco.com/ce_collision.htm .

So how to avoid a Moon collision? You slow down? You turn? What do you do to enable a landing?

And what shall you do on the Moon after landing. Build a hotel. Plant strawberries?

Collisions between ships have nothing to do with orbital mechanics.

I explained how to arrive at the moon when it is there. When you now aim at a point that is close to the moon then you avoid a collision. More details will come when I write the simulator.

What you do on the moon has literally nothing to do with the topic.

It has. If both (space) crafts are moving, the probability is high that they will miss each other = no collision encounter = just a miss.

Do you know Mr. W Tell? He was Swiss and shot at an apple on the head of his son. You have to be clever hitting that apple. Now imagine Mr. Tell's son running with the apple on the head. Try to hit the apple then and tell me how you do it.
Outer space is a little bit different from the sea. For starters, the spacecraft is attracted by the moon. Plus, you can predict movements very well as the only thing influencing the orbits is the (well-understood) force of gravity.

The apple thing: Easy - if he moves in a predictable pattern you calculate the time your arrow moves and see how much the child will move during that time. I did that. Just read the document.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Kami on February 25, 2017, 02:13:56 AM
If you find my rocket science is wrong, I'll pay you €1M. Isn't it generous?
I looked at your site, but you don't actually have any rocket science to debunk. The only thing you managed to do was do crude Google searches and quote NASA given information, before saying "nonsense!"

A very good safeguard for that €1M, to be sure (assuming it even exists).

Theres been quite a lot of speculation on that, to be fair.
quite ;D

But well, I am not trying to win this "challenge", I am just here for the fun... I suppose the rest of you are as well.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: scabbage on February 25, 2017, 02:42:07 AM
Yeah I'm here for lolz.

I read your paper by the way, I couldn't see anything erroneous with it other than not mentioning the fact that the spacecraft's orbit would have the barycentre of the Earth/Moon system at it's foci. It is quite a large difference relative to Earth (over 4000km from the planet's centre), but I guess this would come under the 5th simplification about the Moon's gravity.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: disputeone on February 25, 2017, 03:39:36 AM
Yeah I'm here for lolz.

I read your paper by the way, I couldn't see anything erroneous with it other than not mentioning the fact that the spacecraft's orbit would have the barycentre of the Earth/Moon system at it's foci. It is quite a large difference relative to Earth (over 4000km from the planet's centre), but I guess this would come under the 5th simplification about the Moon's gravity.

Praise spoons.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on February 25, 2017, 04:10:16 AM
If you find my rocket science is wrong, I'll pay you €1M. Isn't it generous?
I looked at your site, but you don't actually have any rocket science to debunk. The only thing you managed to do was do crude Google searches and quote NASA given information, before saying "nonsense!"

A very good safeguard for that €1M, to be sure (assuming it even exists).

Please back up above with some copy/paste to debunk.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: onebigmonkey on February 25, 2017, 04:44:18 AM
The apple thing: Easy - if he moves in a predictable pattern you calculate the time your arrow moves and see how much the child will move during that time. I did that. Just read the document.

Yep. I play on Battlefield 1, usually as a sniper. Hitting a moving target is pretty easy - just fire the bullet at where your target is going to be and boom, headshot bonus.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: scabbage on February 25, 2017, 04:51:58 AM
Please back up above with some copy/paste to debunk.

I don't think you understood me. There is nothing to debunk. The only thing you did was fallaciously claim arguments from incredulity.

"The extra force to get started out of Earth orbit must be applied at high speed in orbit at the right (1) time, (2) location, (3) direction, (4) duration, (5) strength and so on."
Yeah, and?

"No rockets can do it."
Got any calculations for that?

"The resulting trajectory and your location in it are always unpredictable."
Uh, no. Orbital mechanics follow very repeatable and consistent laws of physics. I think you mean you can't predict any of it.


The same theme follows through your entire 'article'. This is what happens when you go into mechanical sciences instead of physics at the RIT.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on February 25, 2017, 07:07:06 AM
Please back up above with some copy/paste to debunk.

I don't think you understood me. There is nothing to debunk. The only thing you did was fallaciously claim arguments from incredulity.

"The extra force to get started out of Earth orbit must be applied at high speed in orbit at the right (1) time, (2) location, (3) direction, (4) duration, (5) strength and so on."
Yeah, and?

"No rockets can do it."
Got any calculations for that?

"The resulting trajectory and your location in it are always unpredictable."
Uh, no. Orbital mechanics follow very repeatable and consistent laws of physics. I think you mean you can't predict any of it.


Well, if it so simple just collect €1M at http://heiwaco.com/chall2.htm .

But let's face it! You are orbiting Earth at a certain altitude and high speed and shall from there blast off with your space craft to say the Moon or planet Mars or asteroid Bennu.

For that a force must be applied at the right (1) time, (2) location, (3) direction, (4) duration, (5) strength and so on.
 
I have asked around and found noone to tell me how much fuel I need for just the first kick out of orbit.

But before I start to orbit Earth going anywhere, I must know how much fuel I need for the whole trip.

I have recently asked the persons below about the fuel to be spent by their spacecraft OSIRIS-REx - http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm#OR - just now flying to Bennu:

1. Dwayne Brown, NAXA Office of Clownications, tel 202-358-1726, dwayne.c.brown@nasa.gov
2. Laurie Cantillo, NAXA Office of Clownications, tel 202-358-1077, laura.l.cantillo@nasa.gov
3. Nancy N. Jones, NAXA Office of Clownications, tel 301-286-0039, nancy.n.jones@nasa.gov
4. Erin Morton, Office of the Principal Clown, University of Arizona, tel 520-269-2493, morton@orex.lpl.arizona.edu
5. Gary Napier, Lockheed Martin Clownications, tel 303-971-4012, gary.p.napier@lmco.com
6. George Diller, NAXA's Kennedy Space Center Office of Clown Affairs, tel 321-861-7643, george.h.diller@nasa.gov
7. Shannon Ridinger, NAXA's Marshall Space Clown Center, tel 256-544-3774, Shannon.J.Ridinger@nasa.gov 

No reply. Try yourself. The above persons are in charge of a valuable spacecraft going to Bennu and back ... but cannot inform how the fuel shall be used.

(http://heiwaco.com/orex4.gif)

The spacecraft is right now speeding ahead of Earth around the Sun but ... September this year ... Earth and spacecraft OSIRIS-Rex will encounter each other one way or other and ... planet Earth will kick spacecraft OSIRIS-REx to Bennu ... without using any fuel at all!

MAGIC!

No, just a standard NASA trick since many years.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on February 25, 2017, 07:23:04 AM
If you find my rocket science is wrong, I'll pay you €1M. Isn't it generous?
I looked at your site, but you don't actually have any rocket science to debunk. The only thing you managed to do was do crude Google searches and quote NASA given information, before saying "nonsense!"

A very good safeguard for that €1M, to be sure (assuming it even exists).

Please back up above with some copy/paste to debunk.
Yeah because to be fair you always back up your claims here with evidence.  Oh wait, sorry, that's wrong.  You literally never do that.  You just make wild statements and pi,p your horrible website.
What's say you actually post some evidence here to support your claims that it can't work.
Go on, that's the challenge to you.
But you won't because you are fake.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Kami on February 25, 2017, 08:43:11 AM
Please back up above with some copy/paste to debunk.

I don't think you understood me. There is nothing to debunk. The only thing you did was fallaciously claim arguments from incredulity.

"The extra force to get started out of Earth orbit must be applied at high speed in orbit at the right (1) time, (2) location, (3) direction, (4) duration, (5) strength and so on."
Yeah, and?

"No rockets can do it."
Got any calculations for that?

"The resulting trajectory and your location in it are always unpredictable."
Uh, no. Orbital mechanics follow very repeatable and consistent laws of physics. I think you mean you can't predict any of it.


Well, if it so simple just collect €1M at http://heiwaco.com/chall2.htm .

But let's face it! You are orbiting Earth at a certain altitude and high speed and shall from there blast off with your space craft to say the Moon or planet Mars or asteroid Bennu.

For that a force must be applied at the right (1) time, (2) location, (3) direction, (4) duration, (5) strength and so on.
 
I have asked around and found noone to tell me how much fuel I need for just the first kick out of orbit.
Well, that depends on your engine and the fuel and the mass. I have explained how to calculate it, though.
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But before I start to orbit Earth going anywhere, I must know how much fuel I need for the whole trip.
That is why they do calculate it beforehand and not just launch a vessel and see where it goes.
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I have recently asked the persons below about the fuel to be spent by their spacecraft OSIRIS-REx - http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm#OR - just now flying to Bennu:

1. Dwayne Brown, NAXA Office of Clownications, tel 202-358-1726, dwayne.c.brown@nasa.gov
2. Laurie Cantillo, NAXA Office of Clownications, tel 202-358-1077, laura.l.cantillo@nasa.gov
3. Nancy N. Jones, NAXA Office of Clownications, tel 301-286-0039, nancy.n.jones@nasa.gov
4. Erin Morton, Office of the Principal Clown, University of Arizona, tel 520-269-2493, morton@orex.lpl.arizona.edu
5. Gary Napier, Lockheed Martin Clownications, tel 303-971-4012, gary.p.napier@lmco.com
6. George Diller, NAXA's Kennedy Space Center Office of Clown Affairs, tel 321-861-7643, george.h.diller@nasa.gov
7. Shannon Ridinger, NAXA's Marshall Space Clown Center, tel 256-544-3774, Shannon.J.Ridinger@nasa.gov 

No reply. Try yourself. The above persons are in charge of a valuable spacecraft going to Bennu and back ... but cannot inform how the fuel shall be used.
That is because they probably recognize you for the fraud you are
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The spacecraft is right now speeding ahead of Earth around the Sun but ... September this year ... Earth and spacecraft OSIRIS-Rex will encounter each other one way or other and ... planet Earth will kick spacecraft OSIRIS-REx to Bennu ... without using any fuel at all!

MAGIC!

No, just a standard NASA trick since many years.
I am not surprised that you do not understand swing-by maneuvers.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on February 25, 2017, 08:57:06 AM
Well, if it so simple just collect €1M at <> .

It's tough to believe you have an engineering degree when you make stupid comments like this. To try and help you understand the logical fallacy involved consider the following:

I say it is possible to accurately calculate a spacecraft's trajectory from the earth to the moon. I am offering €1M to anyone who can prove me wrong.

If you're so sure it's impossible why don't you collect €1M. Don't you want the money? ::) :P ::)

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on February 25, 2017, 10:45:13 AM
Well, if it so simple just collect €1M at <> .

It's tough to believe you have an engineering degree when you make stupid comments like this. To try and help you understand the logical fallacy involved consider the following:

I say it is possible to accurately calculate a spacecraft's trajectory from the earth to the moon. I am offering €1M to anyone who can prove me wrong.

If you're so sure it's impossible why don't you collect €1M. Don't you want the money? ::) :P ::)

? I have of course enough money. Why do you make stupid comments like above? Are you on drugs? Offering me €1M. You sound sick!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on February 25, 2017, 10:54:46 AM
Well, if it so simple just collect €1M at <> .

It's tough to believe you have an engineering degree when you make stupid comments like this. To try and help you understand the logical fallacy involved consider the following:

I say it is possible to accurately calculate a spacecraft's trajectory from the earth to the moon. I am offering €1M to anyone who can prove me wrong.

If you're so sure it's impossible why don't you collect €1M. Don't you want the money? ::) :P ::)

? I have of course enough money. Why do you make stupid comments like above? Are you on drugs? Offering me €1M. You sound sick!

It's a puzzle to me why you don't jut prove it's impossible to accurately calculate a spacecraft's trajectory from the earth to the moon if it's so easy.

I'll pay €1M if you can do it.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: disputeone on February 25, 2017, 06:52:05 PM
I'll throw in a carton and original N64 with goldeneye, ocarina of time and two controllers.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: 29silhouette on February 25, 2017, 07:27:24 PM
I seriously hope that you aren't the smartest person at your safety at sea company.
I wonder if he's the only person at that company.
http://directory.marinelink.com/companies/company/heiwa-co--european-agency-for-safety-at-sea-206587 (http://directory.marinelink.com/companies/company/heiwa-co--european-agency-for-safety-at-sea-206587)
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on February 25, 2017, 07:33:43 PM
Well, if it so simple just collect €1M at <> .

It's tough to believe you have an engineering degree when you make stupid comments like this. To try and help you understand the logical fallacy involved consider the following:

I say it is possible to accurately calculate a spacecraft's trajectory from the earth to the moon. I am offering €1M to anyone who can prove me wrong.

If you're so sure it's impossible why don't you collect €1M. Don't you want the money? ::) :P ::)

? I have of course enough money. Why do you make stupid comments like above? Are you on drugs? Offering me €1M. You sound sick!

It's a puzzle to me why you don't just prove it's impossible to accurately calculate a spacecraft's trajectory from the earth to the moon if it's so easy.


It is rocket science! I explain why at http://heiwaco.tripod.com/moontravel.htm#RS
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on February 25, 2017, 09:08:06 PM
Well, if it so simple just collect €1M at <> .

It's tough to believe you have an engineering degree when you make stupid comments like this. To try and help you understand the logical fallacy involved consider the following:

I say it is possible to accurately calculate a spacecraft's trajectory from the earth to the moon. I am offering €1M to anyone who can prove me wrong.

If you're so sure it's impossible why don't you collect €1M. Don't you want the money? ::) :P ::)

? I have of course enough money. Why do you make stupid comments like above? Are you on drugs? Offering me €1M. You sound sick!

It's a puzzle to me why you don't just prove it's impossible to accurately calculate a spacecraft's trajectory from the earth to the moon if it's so easy.


It is rocket science! I explain why at http://heiwaco.tripod.com/moontravel.htm#RS
Umm...  You do realize that rocket science is why people can calculate trajectories to the moon, don't you?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: disputeone on February 25, 2017, 09:10:11 PM
Umm...  You do realize that rocket science is why people can calculate trajectories to the moon, don't you?

Hey,

as promised, I performed a rough estimate on the mechanics involving a lunar transfer orbit. A more detailed, numerical calculation might follow in the next few days.

Heiwa, this should clear up that it is definitely possible to get to the moon (I admit that the actual orbit around the moon can not be calculated with this method, for this there will be the numerical integrator which might come later) and that you should never boost towards the moon. If you find any errors, please point them out.

Generally I would love if someone double-checked my math, the numbers do make sense but still..

The document can be found at https://www.docdroid.net/nSZ6vXb/moon.pdf.html

Kami pointed that out  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: scabbage on February 25, 2017, 09:38:42 PM
Well, if it so simple just collect €1M at <> .
It's tough to believe you have an engineering degree when you make stupid comments like this.

I know a little about ships, sex and sea. A luxury cruise in the West Indies is my preferred style of travel. Good food! Plenty sex.

Doesn't take an engineering degree to fuck on a boat ;p
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on February 25, 2017, 09:54:18 PM
Well, if it so simple just collect €1M at <> .

It's tough to believe you have an engineering degree when you make stupid comments like this. To try and help you understand the logical fallacy involved consider the following:

I say it is possible to accurately calculate a spacecraft's trajectory from the earth to the moon. I am offering €1M to anyone who can prove me wrong.

If you're so sure it's impossible why don't you collect €1M. Don't you want the money? ::) :P ::)

? I have of course enough money. Why do you make stupid comments like above? Are you on drugs? Offering me €1M. You sound sick!

It's a puzzle to me why you don't just prove it's impossible to accurately calculate a spacecraft's trajectory from the earth to the moon if it's so easy.


It is rocket science! I explain why at http://heiwaco.tripod.com/moontravel.htm#RS

That response does not qualify. You did not prove it's impossible to accurately calculate a spacecraft's trajectory from the earth to the moon. If you had you would have won the €1M prize. Better luck next time.

My contest is still open.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on February 25, 2017, 11:23:17 PM
Well, if it so simple just collect €1M at <> .

It's tough to believe you have an engineering degree when you make stupid comments like this. To try and help you understand the logical fallacy involved consider the following:

I say it is possible to accurately calculate a spacecraft's trajectory from the earth to the moon. I am offering €1M to anyone who can prove me wrong.

If you're so sure it's impossible why don't you collect €1M. Don't you want the money? ::) :P ::)

? I have of course enough money. Why do you make stupid comments like above? Are you on drugs? Offering me €1M. You sound sick!

It's a puzzle to me why you don't just prove it's impossible to accurately calculate a spacecraft's trajectory from the earth to the moon if it's so easy.


It is rocket science! I explain why at http://heiwaco.tripod.com/moontravel.htm#RS

That response does not qualify. You did not prove it's impossible to accurately calculate a spacecraft's trajectory from the earth to the moon. If you had you would have won the €1M prize. Better luck next time.

My contest is still open.

Hm, you really have to study my website http://heiwaco.tripod.com and what I write. I do not prove anything.

I just show that a spacecraft cannot carry the fuel with it for a manned space trip. Or that you cannot execute a trajectory in space after starting in orbit. And that any re-entry is impossibe, as you cannot find the location to start it. It is basic rocket science.

Therefore manned space trips are unsafe! People will get killed. Safety at sea is my biz. My contribution is safer ships. That I can prove.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on February 25, 2017, 11:27:20 PM
Well, if it so simple just collect €1M at <> .

It's tough to believe you have an engineering degree when you make stupid comments like this. To try and help you understand the logical fallacy involved consider the following:

I say it is possible to accurately calculate a spacecraft's trajectory from the earth to the moon. I am offering €1M to anyone who can prove me wrong.

If you're so sure it's impossible why don't you collect €1M. Don't you want the money? ::) :P ::)

? I have of course enough money. Why do you make stupid comments like above? Are you on drugs? Offering me €1M. You sound sick!

It's a puzzle to me why you don't just prove it's impossible to accurately calculate a spacecraft's trajectory from the earth to the moon if it's so easy.


It is rocket science! I explain why at http://heiwaco.tripod.com/moontravel.htm#RS

That response does not qualify. You did not prove it's impossible to accurately calculate a spacecraft's trajectory from the earth to the moon. If you had you would have won the €1M prize. Better luck next time.

My contest is still open.

Hm, you really have to study my website http://heiwaco.tripod.com and what I write. I do not prove anything.

I just show that a spacecraft cannot carry the fuel with it for a manned space trip. Or that you cannot execute a trajectory in space after starting in orbit. And that any re-entry is impossibe, as you cannot find the location to start it. It is basic rocket science.

Therefore manned space trips are unsafe! People will get killed. Safety at sea is my biz. My contribution is safer ships. That I can prove.

So far no one has won my  €1M challenge. To do that you must prove that it's impossible to accurately calculate a spacecraft's trajectory from the earth to the moon.

But you can't do that can you. No one can. That is why no one has won my  €1M challenge.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: disputeone on February 25, 2017, 11:41:12 PM
Heiwa, you don't have one million cents, we've been through this.

Stop encouraging Rayzor please.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on February 25, 2017, 11:59:30 PM
Well, if it so simple just collect €1M at <> .

It's tough to believe you have an engineering degree when you make stupid comments like this. To try and help you understand the logical fallacy involved consider the following:

I say it is possible to accurately calculate a spacecraft's trajectory from the earth to the moon. I am offering €1M to anyone who can prove me wrong.

If you're so sure it's impossible why don't you collect €1M. Don't you want the money? ::) :P ::)
He absolutely does not have the money.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Kami on February 26, 2017, 02:08:55 AM
Umm...  You do realize that rocket science is why people can calculate trajectories to the moon, don't you?

Hey,

as promised, I performed a rough estimate on the mechanics involving a lunar transfer orbit. A more detailed, numerical calculation might follow in the next few days.

Heiwa, this should clear up that it is definitely possible to get to the moon (I admit that the actual orbit around the moon can not be calculated with this method, for this there will be the numerical integrator which might come later) and that you should never boost towards the moon. If you find any errors, please point them out.

Generally I would love if someone double-checked my math, the numbers do make sense but still..

The document can be found at https://www.docdroid.net/nSZ6vXb/moon.pdf.html

Kami pointed that out  ;D ;D ;D
Thank you for the flowers! :)

Although, to be fair, calculating a real orbit is more complicated due to the moon's influence. I hope to have enough free-time to write a short program about it though.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on February 26, 2017, 03:28:16 AM
Heiwa, you don't have one million cents, we've been through this.

Stop encouraging Rayzor please.

Re the money, the €1M is there, I am happy to say. Or at least very well invested! You know, being semi-retired like me with a fairly good pension after 40+ years of work, it is a good idea to improve it by private investments.
But not giving it to a bank.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on February 26, 2017, 03:32:24 AM
Well, if it so simple just collect €1M at <> .

It's tough to believe you have an engineering degree when you make stupid comments like this. To try and help you understand the logical fallacy involved consider the following:

I say it is possible to accurately calculate a spacecraft's trajectory from the earth to the moon. I am offering €1M to anyone who can prove me wrong.

If you're so sure it's impossible why don't you collect €1M. Don't you want the money? ::) :P ::)
He absolutely does not have the money.
No. It is of course invested. You sound jealous. Or sick. Or drunk. Or drugged. Why do you post stupid inventions like that? Do you know me? Have we met? Have you been to my bank? My broker?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Kami on February 26, 2017, 05:36:35 AM
Okay, I will say this again.

If you want anyone to take your challenge seriously you have to
a) prove that you can provide the offered money
b) appoint a neutral judge for the challenge

Until then you can not call it a challenge and it has not the slightest kind of validity.
Do those two things and I will try to win it, until then please stop rambling about it.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on February 26, 2017, 05:42:32 AM
Okay, I will say this again.

If you want anyone to take your challenge seriously you have to
a) prove that you can provide the offered money
b) appoint a neutral judge for the challenge

Until then you can not call it a challenge and it has not the slightest kind of validity.
Do those two things and I will try to win it, until then please stop rambling about it.
It's crazy right?  He makes these wild accusations, posts this bizarre challenge and when people say, prove it, he accuses them of being crazy, or drunk etc.  I honestly think he doesn't see how insane he sounds. 
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on February 26, 2017, 08:53:20 AM
Okay, I will say this again.

If you want anyone to take your challenge seriously you have to
a) prove that you can provide the offered money
b) appoint a neutral judge for the challenge

Until then you can not call it a challenge and it has not the slightest kind of validity.
Do those two things and I will try to win it, until then please stop rambling about it.

As I have said many times you just have to visit my office and I will show you the money. I will even offer a coffee!

Re the judge, you can bring your own judge/expert, if you like. At the moment I just organize the Challenge, which is clear from the Challenge web site.

The legal aspects are also clearly defined at the web site, e.g. http://heiwaco.com/chall2.htm .

Many persons have taken my Challenges seriously ... and all have failed.

The Challenges are very difficult. I myself cannot win them! I do not know how to do it.

Several persons have announced they have won a Challenge and that I have refused to pay and accuse me of all sorts of things. All such persons have been shown to be frauds.

I am a real persons of good standing and well known in the my professional business. Therefore my Challenges are serious.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on February 26, 2017, 02:50:02 PM
If you read heiwa's signature line you will see, according to him, his governments opinion of him.  Not sure if that qualifies as good standing.😂
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on February 26, 2017, 06:16:47 PM
If you read heiwa's signature line you will see, according to him, his governments opinion of him.  Not sure if that qualifies as good standing.😂

Yes, "an unscientific, unintelligent and unreasonable querulant that spreads rumours and untruths (lies) as the worst creator of conspiracy theories" is what the Swedish authorities called me, when I demonstrated that their M/S Estonia 1994 accident investigation published 1997 was full of lies and manipulated testimonies, etc, etc. It convinced media to ignore my findings. The authorities won! Their cover up was a success.

However, my website about it is still quite popular. Now the children or grandchildren of the victims study what really happened and ask me why. It is all explained at the site.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on February 26, 2017, 06:44:08 PM
If you read heiwa's signature line you will see, according to him, his governments opinion of him.  Not sure if that qualifies as good standing.😂

Yes, "an unscientific, unintelligent and unreasonable querulant that spreads rumours and untruths (lies) as the worst creator of conspiracy theories" is what the Swedish authorities called me, when I demonstrated that their M/S Estonia 1994 accident investigation published 1997 was full of lies and manipulated testimonies, etc, etc. It convinced media to ignore my findings. The authorities won! Their cover up was a success.

However, my website about it is still quite popular. Now the children or grandchildren of the victims study what really happened and ask me why. It is all explained at the site.
I'm betting you "demonstrated" the same way you do everything else.  That would be, showing no actual evidence and simply saying, but of course that's impossible.
😂😂😂
You are funny.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on February 26, 2017, 10:21:17 PM
If you read heiwa's signature line you will see, according to him, his governments opinion of him.  Not sure if that qualifies as good standing.😂

Yes, "an unscientific, unintelligent and unreasonable querulant that spreads rumours and untruths (lies) as the worst creator of conspiracy theories" is what the Swedish authorities called me, when I demonstrated that their M/S Estonia 1994 accident investigation published 1997 was full of lies and manipulated testimonies, etc, etc. It convinced media to ignore my findings. The authorities won! Their cover up was a success.

However, my website about it is still quite popular. Now the children or grandchildren of the victims study what really happened and ask me why. It is all explained at the site.
I'm betting you "demonstrated" the same way you do everything else.  That would be, showing no actual evidence and simply saying, but of course that's impossible.
😂😂😂
You are funny.

No, I am serious. You have to study http://heiwaco.com (my website) about my disagreements with the Swedish, Finnish and Estonian authorities 1996-2010. I just wanted to assist in order to improve safety at sea. I didn't know that they were transporting stolen military equipment on a passenger ship that then was sunk by the competition killing 1000 innocent persons. Shit happens.

To prove their fantasises the Swedish authorities later (2008) suggested the the principle of Archimedes doesn't apply in Sweden.

Isn't it comical? But do not laugh too high! You may suddenly go missing!

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: disputeone on February 26, 2017, 10:54:03 PM
You just need to give us an inch.

(https://s18.postimg.org/4ceu1oiex/20161221_144323_1.jpg)

See, I could run a competition for a few k without anyone doubting I could pay. All anyone wants is proof you are willing and able to pay.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on February 27, 2017, 01:09:12 AM
You just need to give us an inch.

(https://s18.postimg.org/4ceu1oiex/20161221_144323_1.jpg)

See, I could run a competition for a few k without anyone doubting I could pay. All anyone wants is proof you are willing and able to pay.

As I always say, visit my office, coffee will be served and proof of money will be provided. It is actually invested in plenty ventures. I am rich, you know.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: disputeone on February 27, 2017, 01:18:32 AM
We just don't know tho, that's the issue.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on February 27, 2017, 03:17:02 AM
I think we know.   ;)
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on March 07, 2017, 11:04:39 AM
Strange. Free coffee. Friendly atmosphere. Help to assist explaining everything and filling in the application ...
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: frenat on March 07, 2017, 12:30:16 PM
Strange. Free coffee. Friendly atmosphere. Help to assist explaining everything and filling in the application ...
You forgot senile, biased, and proven liar judge that has been on record saying the challenge is unwinnable making it not a real challenge.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on March 07, 2017, 02:56:57 PM
Strange. Free coffee. Friendly atmosphere. Help to assist explaining everything and filling in the application ...

If you drop by my office I will also give you free coffee, a friendly atmosphere and help explaining what you need to do to win my  €1M challenge.

So far, nothing.  ???
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on March 07, 2017, 03:09:14 PM
Stop by my place. I'll slip you a mickey and rob your ass blind.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Crouton on March 07, 2017, 03:15:28 PM
Don't listen to these people Heiwa.  They're all trying to rob you.

Come to my place instead.  I'm an amateur heart surgeon and I can fix any heart condition you have on the cheap.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: rabinoz on March 07, 2017, 03:25:50 PM
Don't listen to these people Heiwa.  They're all trying to rob you.

Come to my place instead.  I'm an amateur heart surgeon and I can fix any heart condition you have on the cheap.
I don't think it's a heart surgeon he needs, the problem's a little higher up.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on March 07, 2017, 03:27:11 PM
Did I say rob your ass blind?

I meant - help you create a negative cash flow.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on March 10, 2017, 10:21:36 PM
Don't listen to these people Heiwa.  They're all trying to rob you.

Come to my place instead.  I'm an amateur heart surgeon and I can fix any heart condition you have on the cheap.

Thanks. No risk! People are too stupid trying to rob me and my heart is fine, e.g. this morning four miles jogging is followed by a swim in the sea nearby.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on March 11, 2017, 02:48:14 PM
. . . this morning four miles jogging is followed by a swim in the sea nearby.

Damn GPS.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Crouton on March 11, 2017, 02:57:39 PM
Don't listen to these people Heiwa.  They're all trying to rob you.

Come to my place instead.  I'm an amateur heart surgeon and I can fix any heart condition you have on the cheap.

Thanks. No risk! People are too stupid trying to rob me and my heart is fine, e.g. this morning four miles jogging is followed by a swim in the sea nearby.

Look I'm not going to tell you that my procedures don't carry a risk.  Conservatively I'd say your chances of living are at least 5% better if you go to an actual heart surgeon.  But I've got a few innovative ideas that the so called "real" heart surgeons don't.  I'm building a fully function human heart replacement out of hamburger and onions.  I call it 'hamburger and onion heart'.  I made four prototypes just today.  They did not function as intended but they did taste delicious when I grilled them up.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: onebigmonkey on March 30, 2017, 11:22:28 PM
I don't speak or read Japanese, and neither apparently does Google translate on some of these pages, but I can figure out enough to know that Japan knows how to get to the moon and insert something into orbit around it:

https://darts.isas.jaxa.jp/planet/odds/index.html.en
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on March 30, 2017, 11:42:51 PM
I don't speak or read Japanese, and neither apparently does Google translate on some of these pages, but I can figure out enough to know that Japan knows how to get to the moon and insert something into orbit around it:

https://darts.isas.jaxa.jp/planet/odds/index.html.en

Well, to get a job at JAXA you must believe in NAXA:s Apollo hoax and as Japan is still occupied by US military 2017, it is better to shut up. However, no Japanese has won my Challenge. It is like the a-bomb. USA is very proud of having dropped two a-bombs on Japan killing 100 000's of Japs 1945 but, if you like me suggest, that it was all propaganda and that nobody died of radiation at Hiroshima and Nagasaki 1945 and later, many Japanese get upset.  Same at Fukushima 2011 and today 2017. 2011 the population was told that Fukushima would be dead for 1000 years but 2017 people are moving back. Radiation? It was all propaganda. I explain why at http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm .
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on March 30, 2017, 11:48:44 PM
But of course no Japanese has won your challenge. Just like you have not won my challenge.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Kami on March 31, 2017, 01:54:45 AM
I don't speak or read Japanese, and neither apparently does Google translate on some of these pages, but I can figure out enough to know that Japan knows how to get to the moon and insert something into orbit around it:

https://darts.isas.jaxa.jp/planet/odds/index.html.en

Well, to get a job at JAXA you must believe in NAXA:s Apollo hoax and as Japan is still occupied by US military 2017, it is better to shut up. However, no Japanese has won my Challenge. It is like the a-bomb. USA is very proud of having dropped two a-bombs on Japan killing 100 000's of Japs 1945 but, if you like me suggest, that it was all propaganda and that nobody died of radiation at Hiroshima and Nagasaki 1945 and later, many Japanese get upset.  Same at Fukushima 2011 and today 2017. 2011 the population was told that Fukushima would be dead for 1000 years but 2017 people are moving back. Radiation? It was all propaganda. I explain why at http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm .
Huh. So you tell people to their face that two events that horribly killed hundreds of thousands of their ancestors and destroyed two citites are fake and then you are surprised that they get upset? You must be a special kind of stupid. This is not even meant as an insult, but you really do seem to lack of basic common sense. A few examples:

- Being surprised that the (i think it was swedish) government does not want the technology of nukes published openly, for every man to read and build his own little nuke
- Being surprised that the CEO of ESA and a few other people who have better things to do than discuss conspiracies do not respond to your emails
- Being surprised that the french government will not detonate a nuke near your hometown (this is my favorite, actually)
- The point above

For all those things the outcome could have been predicted, if you thought about that for 10 seconds. But somehow you did not. And I am wondering why. Maybe I can find it at your website.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on March 31, 2017, 02:20:20 AM
I don't speak or read Japanese, and neither apparently does Google translate on some of these pages, but I can figure out enough to know that Japan knows how to get to the moon and insert something into orbit around it:

https://darts.isas.jaxa.jp/planet/odds/index.html.en

Well, to get a job at JAXA you must believe in NAXA:s Apollo hoax and as Japan is still occupied by US military 2017, it is better to shut up. However, no Japanese has won my Challenge. It is like the a-bomb. USA is very proud of having dropped two a-bombs on Japan killing 100 000's of Japs 1945 but, if you like me suggest, that it was all propaganda and that nobody died of radiation at Hiroshima and Nagasaki 1945 and later, many Japanese get upset.  Same at Fukushima 2011 and today 2017. 2011 the population was told that Fukushima would be dead for 1000 years but 2017 people are moving back. Radiation? It was all propaganda. I explain why at http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm .
Huh. So you tell people to their face that two events that horribly killed hundreds of thousands of their ancestors and destroyed two citites are fake and then you are surprised that they get upset? You must be a special kind of stupid. This is not even meant as an insult, but you really do seem to lack of basic common sense. A few examples:

- Being surprised that the (i think it was swedish) government does not want the technology of nukes published openly, for every man to read and build his own little nuke
- Being surprised that the CEO of ESA and a few other people who have better things to do than discuss conspiracies do not respond to your emails
- Being surprised that the french government will not detonate a nuke near your hometown (this is my favorite, actually)
- The point above

For all those things the outcome could have been predicted, if you thought about that for 10 seconds. But somehow you did not. And I am wondering why. Maybe I can find it at your website.

Thanks for comments.

When I arrived in Japan/Yokohama May 1972 I wondered why the town looked recently bombed. It - napalm carpet bombings - actually happened May 1945 (thousands dead) but couldn't be discussed 27 years later. Only in the 1980's was a memorial erected. I had collaegues  from Nagasaki and Hiroshima that indicated to me that similar happened to their towns and that the a-bombs were just US propaganda to keep the occupying power happy. Similar in Germany - Rostock and Dresden looked newly bombed in the 1990's when I was there, even if it took place 45+ years earlier. You were not supposed to discuss it, i.e. bombing civilians back to stone age.

Re the Swedish government 1945 it asked a person I knew to build a Swedish a-bomb ... and the person agreed ... subject all details to be public, i.e. no secrets. He didn't get the job! Reason? Sweden planned to invent a fake a-bomb. As propaganda!

Re conspiracies, they are not my biz. I have only asked two EXA CEOs how they get their asstronuts back from space, i.e. how they do a re-entry. They cannot provide any evidence that it is possible. One suggested the Shuttle flew backwards and then landed as a glider with the asstronut aboard, the other said a capsule dropped down from the sky and at the last moment a parachute was activated so the asstronut would not be hurt. It doesn't sound professional.

Re Obama's decision to modernize the European defence with new a-bombs 2016, Obama didn't like my proposal to test one out over the Mediterranean Sea far away from shore for us to watch. Maybe I should ask Donald Trump? He seems to like show biz.

I report developments at my website all the time. I don't expect Main Stream Media to quote me, though. They just publish Fake News (propaganda) most of the time.

Anyway, thanks for your interest in my web pages. It takes more than 10 seconds to write them.

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on April 27, 2017, 07:53:30 AM
I have a friend that is accused of mass murder (32 victims) and many other, awful things and he has been sentenced to 16+ years for it (6 months/murder) to be spent in the worst prison in Italy, i.e. Naples. He was quite good at navigating ships at sea ... and something went wrong.
Evidently he has appealed.
He considers himself innocent ... and I agree. I describe the drama at http://heiwaco.com/news8.htm .
In order for the public not to forget this terrible event I also propose that the place of the crime - it is still available for a visit - becomes a muséum! http://heiwaco.com/news811.htm .
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on April 27, 2017, 09:35:09 AM
I have a friend that is accused of mass murder (32 victims) and many other, awful things and he has been sentenced to 16+ years for it (6 months/murder) to be spent in the worst prison in Italy, i.e. Naples. He was quite good at navigating ships at sea ... and something went wrong.
Evidently he has appealed.
He considers himself innocent ... and I agree. I describe the drama at http://heiwaco.com/news8.htm .
In order for the public not to forget this terrible event I also propose that the place of the crime - it is still available for a visit - becomes a muséum! http://heiwaco.com/news811.htm .
Why doesn't it surprise me that you would have a friend that's a mass murderer
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on April 27, 2017, 10:20:47 AM
I have a friend that is accused of mass murder (32 victims) and many other, awful things and he has been sentenced to 16+ years for it (6 months/murder) to be spent in the worst prison in Italy, i.e. Naples. He was quite good at navigating ships at sea ... and something went wrong.
Evidently he has appealed.
He considers himself innocent ... and I agree. I describe the drama at http://heiwaco.com/news8.htm .
In order for the public not to forget this terrible event I also propose that the place of the crime - it is still available for a visit - becomes a muséum! http://heiwaco.com/news811.htm .
Why doesn't it surprise me that you would have a friend that's a mass murderer
Is it a question? Anyway, my friend is only accused of being a mass murderer. The judge will decide next month, if he is.

I only happened to know him through my job about safety at sea, where the objective is to minimize the risk of accidents by operating safe ships and following all safety rules.

In this case a stupid, strange accident happened but ... what really happened ... and who is really responsible ... and how to really improve safety at sea ... are questions that many refuse to answer. They, supported by media, think it is best to find a scape goat and forget the whole thing.

I have seen it before 1994 - http://heiwaco.com/news.htm .

What do you think? Do you think? What is 1+1? Do you know?

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on April 27, 2017, 10:30:51 AM
I have a friend that is accused of mass murder (32 victims) and many other, awful things and he has been sentenced to 16+ years for it (6 months/murder)

Apparently a bit more than an accusation? 
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on April 27, 2017, 10:36:43 AM
I have a friend that is accused of mass murder (32 victims) and many other, awful things and he has been sentenced to 16+ years for it (6 months/murder) to be spent in the worst prison in Italy, i.e. Naples. He was quite good at navigating ships at sea ... and something went wrong.
Evidently he has appealed.
He considers himself innocent ... and I agree. I describe the drama at http://heiwaco.com/news8.htm .
In order for the public not to forget this terrible event I also propose that the place of the crime - it is still available for a visit - becomes a muséum! http://heiwaco.com/news811.htm .
Why doesn't it surprise me that you would have a friend that's a mass murderer
Is it a question? Anyway, my friend is only accused of being a mass murderer. The judge will decide next month, if he is.

I only happened to know him through my job about safety at sea, where the objective is to minimize the risk of accidents by operating safe ships and following all safety rules.

In this case a stupid, strange accident happened but ... what really happened ... and who is really responsible ... and how to really improve safety at sea ... are questions that many refuse to answer. They, supported by media, think it is best to find a scape goat and forget the whole thing.

I have seen it before 1994 - http://heiwaco.com/news.htm .

What do you think? Do you think? What is 1+1? Do you know?
So you know this person in a professional capacity.  Your profession being maritime safefety, and they may have accidentally killed dozens of people at sea.  coincidense? 
😂😂
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on April 27, 2017, 10:41:12 AM
I have a friend that is accused of mass murder (32 victims) and many other, awful things and he has been sentenced to 16+ years for it (6 months/murder)

Apparently a bit more than an accusation?

Another question? Anyway, my friend is appealing at the Supreme Court of Cassation at Rome/Italy and next month we will know the verdict. 16+ or 27 years in jail for mass murder or ... something else.
You really have to study the case at http://heiwaco.com/news8.htm . Do you really believe that a simple seaman on cruise ships goes around killing 27 passengers and 5 crew after a stupid accident? Before abandoning ship before everyone?

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on April 27, 2017, 10:43:03 AM
I have a friend that is accused of mass murder (32 victims) and many other, awful things and he has been sentenced to 16+ years for it (6 months/murder) to be spent in the worst prison in Italy, i.e. Naples. He was quite good at navigating ships at sea ... and something went wrong.
Evidently he has appealed.
He considers himself innocent ... and I agree. I describe the drama at http://heiwaco.com/news8.htm .
In order for the public not to forget this terrible event I also propose that the place of the crime - it is still available for a visit - becomes a muséum! http://heiwaco.com/news811.htm .
Why doesn't it surprise me that you would have a friend that's a mass murderer
Is it a question? Anyway, my friend is only accused of being a mass murderer. The judge will decide next month, if he is.

I only happened to know him through my job about safety at sea, where the objective is to minimize the risk of accidents by operating safe ships and following all safety rules.

In this case a stupid, strange accident happened but ... what really happened ... and who is really responsible ... and how to really improve safety at sea ... are questions that many refuse to answer. They, supported by media, think it is best to find a scape goat and forget the whole thing.

I have seen it before 1994 - http://heiwaco.com/news.htm .

What do you think? Do you think? What is 1+1? Do you know?
So you know this person in a professional capacity.  Your profession being maritime safefety, and they may have accidentally killed dozens of people at sea.  coincidense? 
😂😂

You sound drunk or intoxicated. Pls sober up and make a new attempt.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on April 27, 2017, 10:47:02 AM
Do you really believe that a simple seaman on cruise ships goes around killing 27 passengers and 5 crew after a stupid accident? Before abandoning ship before everyone?

I will not answer your questions.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on April 27, 2017, 02:31:14 PM
I have a friend that is accused of mass murder (32 victims) and many other, awful things and he has been sentenced to 16+ years for it (6 months/murder)

Apparently a bit more than an accusation?

Another question? Anyway, my friend is appealing at the Supreme Court of Cassation at Rome/Italy and next month we will know the verdict. 16+ or 27 years in jail for mass murder or ... something else.
You really have to study the case at http://heiwaco.com/news8.htm . Do you really believe that a simple seaman on cruise ships goes around killing 27 passengers and 5 crew after a stupid accident? Before abandoning ship before everyone?
So he was convicted, not just accused.  Again, I'm not surprised
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on April 27, 2017, 06:27:44 PM
I have a friend that is accused of mass murder (32 victims) and many other, awful things and he has been sentenced to 16+ years for it (6 months/murder) to be spent in the worst prison in Italy, i.e. Naples.
No, he was convicted of manslaughter, not murder.  A friend would care enough to learn the difference.

He was quite good at navigating ships at sea ... and something went wrong.
He may have been quite good at navigating ships at sea where there isn't much of anything to run into, but he didn't seem to very good at navigating ships closer to shore where there was a well known reef.

Evidently he has appealed.
He considers himself innocent ...
Of course he does.  Everyone in prison considers themselves innocent.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on April 29, 2017, 02:36:35 PM
I have a friend that is accused of mass murder (32 victims) and many other, awful things and he has been sentenced to 16+ years for it (6 months/murder) to be spent in the worst prison in Italy, i.e. Naples. He was quite good at navigating ships at sea ... and something went wrong.
Evidently he has appealed.
He considers himself innocent ... and I agree. I describe the drama at http://heiwaco.com/news8.htm .
In order for the public not to forget this terrible event I also propose that the place of the crime - it is still available for a visit - becomes a muséum! http://heiwaco.com/news811.htm .

Not an issue. We accept mass murderers on this site. Intikam is apparenrly responsible for plenty of deaths.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on April 30, 2017, 01:19:47 AM
I have a friend that is accused of mass murder (32 victims) and many other, awful things and he has been sentenced to 16+ years for it (6 months/murder) to be spent in the worst prison in Italy, i.e. Naples. He was quite good at navigating ships at sea ... and something went wrong.
Evidently he has appealed.
He considers himself innocent ... and I agree. I describe the drama at http://heiwaco.com/news8.htm .
In order for the public not to forget this terrible event I also propose that the place of the crime - it is still available for a visit - becomes a muséum! http://heiwaco.com/news811.htm .

Not an issue. We accept mass murderers on this site. Intikam is apparenrly responsible for plenty of deaths.

The point I was trying to make is to make a muséum of the wreck for people to visit and to learn. There are plenty of muséum like insititutions, where the public can learn about the universe, astronomy, the Solar system, planet Earth orbiting the Sun, etc, etc, but no muséum of a flat earth for obvious reasons.
But a muséum of a real 290 m long wreck sank by one person alone would, IMHO, be a great thing. And it is quite easy - just put a roof over the dry-dock and ... the Costa Concordia wreck muséum can open!

If you can expose the Apollo 11 tin pot command module at a muséum at Washington, DC, you should be able to expose a ship wreck at Genoa, Italy.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: onebigmonkey on May 01, 2017, 12:33:59 AM
The Apollo CM is not a grave, and there are enough monuments to human stupidity around already. On the other hand maybe they should open it, then your 'friend' should serve his prison sentence in it recounting to visitors how he turned into a gutless coward after killing people by showing off.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: disputeone on May 01, 2017, 01:26:23 AM
I'm guessing he didn't go down with the ship?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 01, 2017, 01:54:51 AM
I'm guessing he didn't go down with the ship?
Correct, 14 January 2012 he thought a tug was coming to tow his stable, floating ship (but without electricity) to be repaired but ... suddenly the ship capsized ... and he jumped on the roof of a lifeboat. The underpaid, Asian hotel and restaurant staff - almost 1000 persons - had opened watertight doors, when evacuating the ship, water spread in the bottom and stability was lost ... and the ship sank partially on the rocks 50 m from shore.

Then the wreck was re-floated from the rocks, brought to Genoa and last September 2016 put in dry-dock to be scrapped. Who has heard of scapping a wreck in dry-dock? You repair and paint ships in dry-dock! So the wreck will remain for ever in this dry-dock and the best thing now five years later to do is to turn it into a muséum. With the master as director and chief guide.

I think it is a brilliant idea.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: disputeone on May 01, 2017, 02:10:13 AM
I'm guessing he didn't go down with the ship?
Correct, 14 January 2012 he thought a tug was coming to tow his stable, floating ship (but without electricity) to be repaired but ... suddenly the ship capsized ...

As an engineer, I am sure you understand you are missing a step or two, boats don't just "suddenly capsize" this is the way we build them, we design boats not to capsize, we design planes not to fall out of the sky and we design buildings not to collapse at free-fall, at least add in a single column failure or something.

You know as well as I that there had to be a sequence of structural and mechanical failures in order for a large boat to capsize.

It's not as simple as "it suddenly capsized" come on Heiwa.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 01, 2017, 03:03:21 AM
I'm guessing he didn't go down with the ship?
Correct, 14 January 2012 he thought a tug was coming to tow his stable, floating ship (but without electricity) to be repaired but ... suddenly the ship capsized ...

As an engineer, I am sure you understand you are missing a step or two, boats don't just "suddenly capsize" this is the way we build them, we design boats not to capsize, we design planes not to fall out of the sky and we design buildings not to collapse at free-fall, at least add in a single column failure or something.

You know as well as I that there had to be a sequence of structural and mechanical failures in order for a large boat to capsize.

It's not as simple as "it suddenly capsized" come on Heiwa.

Fact is that the ship suddenly capsized around 00.20 hrs on 14 January 2012 after having accidentally contacted a submerged rock at 21.45 hrs on 13 January 2012 up-flooding three watertight hull compartments above double bottom. The ship was floating and stable prior the capsize that caused the ship to sink on the rocks outside the shore.
The contact and up-flooding caused the malfunction of the ship's electrical generators and there was a Black-out. Only emergency lights worked. It was decided to Abandon ship and when doing so, watertight doors were incorrectly opened that could not be closed afterwards. Water spread in dry compartments, stability and buoyancy were lost and the ship capsized. The poor Master thought the ship was safe and could be towed for repairs.
Watertight doors are not permitted by the safety rules and when one or more are fitted an exemption must be issued how to operate them. The ship had no exemption and was not seaworthy.
Interesting case! 12 May 2017 we will know if my friend the Master is put in jail or allowed a new trial or just let go.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: disputeone on May 01, 2017, 03:07:49 AM
So there was a massive hole in the hull?

Now this makes more sense.

The captain had every obligation to make sure he was the last one off that ship, he sounds like a coward to me.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 01, 2017, 03:27:21 AM
The captain had every obligation to make sure he was the last one off that ship, he sounds like a coward to me.

Coward for sure. Also an incompetent navigator. And Heiwa's friend.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 01, 2017, 03:28:57 AM
So there was a massive hole in the hull?

Now this makes more sense.

The captain had every obligation to make sure he was the last one off that ship, he sounds like a coward to me.

Well, the structural damage of the side shell plate was abt 36 meters long and above the double bottom. Not serious, if internal, watertight integrity is maintained. But it wasn't. There were 25 watertight doors installed making the ship unsafe and not seaworthy. I explain it at, e.g. http://heiwaco.com/news86.htm .

The poor captain considers there is a conspiracy against him by the ship owner, italian authorities of all sorts, insurances and media to make him the sole scapegoat for everything.

IMO the damage was an accident. However, the ship was incorrectly designed from the start (like the sisterships and many other similar ships) so the capsize, sinking and killing people were just a consequence of it.

I consider the ship owner staff ashore and aboard, italian authorities of all sorts and insurances responsible for the mishaps. So it is very easy to cover-up everthing and just blame the captain (that should have drowned).
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 01, 2017, 04:05:46 AM
The captain drove the ship onto the rocks. 

Unlike Heiwa I have never been a dock worker so I am not an expert on hull design.
However, I do know that captains are not supposed to crash into continents.

I think that's on the first page of the manual.

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 01, 2017, 04:19:09 AM
The captain drove the ship onto the rocks. 

Unlike Heiwa I have never been a dock worker so I am not an expert on hull design.
However, I do know that captains are not supposed to crash into continents.

I think that's on the first page of the manual.

No, the first page of International Safety Management manuals for the ship, written by the ship owner or me, doesn't normally say so.

There may be an instruction somewhere that the Master shall be informed/called to the bridge, when course is changed at sea, etc, but the actual navigation and maneuvering of the ship is always delegated to other crew/officers.

I knew many captains loving to maneuver their ships in and out of ports but ... a little turn at sea a dark night? 

Anyway, the last starboard ~50° turn starting at 21.39 hrs ending with a 'contact' at 21.45 hrs is a mystery.

If you start such a turn at 21.39 hrs, the turn should be finished at 21.41 hrs and you are on your new course far away from land. You should really study http://heiwaco.com/news81.htm about the mystery. It is interesting stuff.

Conspiracy theorists think that the last mysterious maneuver was to drop off a big bag of cocaine to be picked up by some mafioso in a yacht and in the excitement they got too close to land.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 01, 2017, 04:33:30 AM

Anyway, the last starboard ~50° turn starting at 21.39 hrs ending with a 'contact' at 21.45 hrs is a mystery.



Probably got a Loch Ness Monster tangled up on the prop and rudder.   ::)
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on May 01, 2017, 05:43:26 AM
IMO the damage was an accident.
Yes, it was an accident that never should have happened, but did because of the captain's incompetence.

Also, this has nothing at all to do with the topic (your lack of understanding of orbital mechanics).
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 01, 2017, 06:54:28 AM
IMO the damage was an accident.
Yes, it was an accident that never should have happened, but did because of the captain's incompetence.

Also, this has nothing at all to do with the topic (your lack of understanding of orbital mechanics).

It happened but we do not know how and why?

Incompetent captain? 

Couldn't turn the ship 56° starboard by turning the rudders for two minutes? Give me a break!

You being so smart knowing everything - can you explain the trajectory and dynamics of this strange turn ending in an accidental contact?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 01, 2017, 08:24:36 AM

You being so smart knowing everything - can you explain the trajectory and dynamics of this strange turn ending in an accidental contact?



Are you going to offer a 5 gallon bucket of 'Heiwa' money?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on May 01, 2017, 11:19:13 AM
IMO the damage was an accident.
Yes, it was an accident that never should have happened, but did because of the captain's incompetence.

Also, this has nothing at all to do with the topic (your lack of understanding of orbital mechanics).

It happened but we do not know how and why?

Incompetent captain? 

Couldn't turn the ship 56° starboard by turning the rudders for two minutes? Give me a break!

You being so smart knowing everything - can you explain the trajectory and dynamics of this strange turn ending in an accidental contact?
No, I'm not a safety at sea expert.  However, I do know that a ship's captain is responsible for the ship under his command.  I also know that showing off for your girlfriend is not always a good idea.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 01, 2017, 11:20:12 PM
IMO the damage was an accident.
Yes, it was an accident that never should have happened, but did because of the captain's incompetence.

Also, this has nothing at all to do with the topic (your lack of understanding of orbital mechanics).

It happened but we do not know how and why?

Incompetent captain? 

Couldn't turn the ship 56° starboard by turning the rudders for two minutes? Give me a break!

You being so smart knowing everything - can you explain the trajectory and dynamics of this strange turn ending in an accidental contact?
No, I'm not a safety at sea expert.  However, I do know that a ship's captain is responsible for the ship under his command.  I also know that showing off for your girlfriend is not always a good idea.
I know you are not an expert of anything. A ship's captain is not responsible for everything on a ship particularily when accidents happen. You really have to grow up and open your eyes.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on May 02, 2017, 05:42:09 AM
IMO the damage was an accident.
Yes, it was an accident that never should have happened, but did because of the captain's incompetence.

Also, this has nothing at all to do with the topic (your lack of understanding of orbital mechanics).

It happened but we do not know how and why?

Incompetent captain? 

Couldn't turn the ship 56° starboard by turning the rudders for two minutes? Give me a break!

You being so smart knowing everything - can you explain the trajectory and dynamics of this strange turn ending in an accidental contact?
No, I'm not a safety at sea expert.  However, I do know that a ship's captain is responsible for the ship under his command.  I also know that showing off for your girlfriend is not always a good idea.
I know you are not an expert of anything. A ship's captain is not responsible for everything on a ship particularily when accidents happen. You really have to grow up and open your eyes.
The captain was responsible for ordering the ship closer to shore than normal.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 02, 2017, 06:40:28 AM
IMO the damage was an accident.
Yes, it was an accident that never should have happened, but did because of the captain's incompetence.

Also, this has nothing at all to do with the topic (your lack of understanding of orbital mechanics).

It happened but we do not know how and why?

Incompetent captain? 

Couldn't turn the ship 56° starboard by turning the rudders for two minutes? Give me a break!

You being so smart knowing everything - can you explain the trajectory and dynamics of this strange turn ending in an accidental contact?
No, I'm not a safety at sea expert.  However, I do know that a ship's captain is responsible for the ship under his command.  I also know that showing off for your girlfriend is not always a good idea.
I know you are not an expert of anything. A ship's captain is not responsible for everything on a ship particularily when accidents happen. You really have to grow up and open your eyes.
The captain was responsible for ordering the ship closer to shore than normal.
Hm, it is the ship owner who owns and orders the ship to sail around paid for by passengers. The captain is just an employée doing what he is told paid for by the owner. And accidents happen all the time. Maybe it was the passengers fault sailing on a cheap, unsafe, boring cruise? Going from Civittavecchio to Savona - two Italian ports of no interest.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on May 02, 2017, 06:58:10 AM
Hm, it is the ship owner who owns and orders the ship to sail around paid for by passengers. The captain is just an employée doing what he is told paid for by the owner.
Did the ship owner order the captain to run the ship into a reef?

And accidents happen all the time.
This accident happened because the captain ordered the ship to go closer to shore than was safe.

Maybe it was the passengers fault sailing on a cheap, unsafe, boring cruise? Going from Civittavacchio to Savona - two Italian ports of no interest.
Yes, there was the suggestion that the captain wanted to make the cruise more interesting for his girlfriend.  How much more interesting can you get than to run the ship into a reef?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: onebigmonkey on May 02, 2017, 09:29:42 AM
IMO the damage was an accident.
Yes, it was an accident that never should have happened, but did because of the captain's incompetence.

Also, this has nothing at all to do with the topic (your lack of understanding of orbital mechanics).

It happened but we do not know how and why?

Incompetent captain? 

Couldn't turn the ship 56° starboard by turning the rudders for two minutes? Give me a break!

You being so smart knowing everything - can you explain the trajectory and dynamics of this strange turn ending in an accidental contact?
No, I'm not a safety at sea expert.  However, I do know that a ship's captain is responsible for the ship under his command.  I also know that showing off for your girlfriend is not always a good idea.
I know you are not an expert of anything. A ship's captain is not responsible for everything on a ship particularily when accidents happen. You really have to grow up and open your eyes.
The captain was responsible for ordering the ship closer to shore than normal.
Hm, it is the ship owner who owns and orders the ship to sail around paid for by passengers. The captain is just an employée doing what he is told paid for by the owner. And accidents happen all the time. Maybe it was the passengers fault sailing on a cheap, unsafe, boring cruise? Going from Civittavacchio to Savona - two Italian ports of no interest.

On what planet of stupid was this the victims' fault?

The captain ran away like a gutless coward while the people for whom he was responsible died thanks to his showing off. I hope he's getting a hard time and that he can live with himself.

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 02, 2017, 01:27:38 PM
Well the captain is just an employee of the ship owner. And the passengers buy their tickets from the ship owner. And accidents happen. To simply blame the captain for everything is too simple. It seems the ship was not seaworthy to start with - the Italian authorities were fully informed - and the badly paid 900+ catering staff had no safety training. IMO the latter sank the ship by opening illegal watertight doors during the evacuation after the black out.
 
Anyway, the wreck is still in dry-dock at Genoa and will remain there many years - http://heiwaco.com/news811.htm .

It could be an interesting muséum.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on May 02, 2017, 03:16:32 PM
Well the captain is just an employee of the ship owner.
Yes, and the ship owner hired the captain to safely navigate the ship.

And accidents happen.
Accidents happen because someone screwed up.

To simply blame the captain for everything is too simple.
That's why there are thorough investigations of these accidents: to determine who screwed up.  Isn't that supposed to be your business?

It seems the ship was not seaworthy to start with...
I don't know about that.  It seemed pretty seaworthy before some idiot ran it into a reef.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 02, 2017, 07:38:50 PM
Well the captain is just an employee of the ship owner.
Yes, and the ship owner hired the captain to safely navigate the ship.

And accidents happen.
Accidents happen because someone screwed up.

To simply blame the captain for everything is too simple.
That's why there are thorough investigations of these accidents: to determine who screwed up.  Isn't that supposed to be your business?

It seems the ship was not seaworthy to start with...
I don't know about that.  It seemed pretty seaworthy before some idiot ran it into a reef.
Well, the ship owner hired a crew of 1100 to operate the ship, incl. some officers to navigate and some seamen to steer the ship. The captain was aboard to keep the passengers and ship owner happy. Accidents happens for many reasons and in this case the ship contacted a rock below water and a small leakage occurred. The ship didn't sink for it. No accident investigations were done as per international rules and regulations. As Germans died German authorities requested to attend the investigation ... which was refused by the Italians. It seems the ship sank when underpaid, non-Italian staff opened watertight doors during the panic and evacuation. Seaworthy ships are not permitted having such doors and must have a well trained crew ... responsibility of which is the ship owner. I am always paid by the ship owner doing my job and tell them things like above.
Anyway - assisted by media the public was told the captain sank the ship, bla, bla, bla. It is the same with a-bombs and manned space travel. Media report a-bombs explode and that people can fly in space, bla, bla and the public believe it. Same with 911! Arabs lands planes in tops of towers and ... bla, bla, bla ... towers collapse from top. Etc, etc.
Same with the M/S Estonia accident killing plenty people. The visor fell off according to media. ROTFL. Stupid people believe anything media say.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 02, 2017, 07:55:16 PM

The captain was aboard to keep the passengers and ship owner happy.



He failed.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on May 02, 2017, 09:03:45 PM
Well, the ship owner hired a crew of 1100 to operate the ship, incl. some officers to navigate and some seamen to steer the ship. The captain was aboard to keep the passengers and ship owner happy.
So you're saying that the ship's captain is not in charge of the seamen who steer the ship?

Are you sure that you know anything about ships?

Accidents happens for many reasons and in this case the ship contacted a rock below water and a small leakage occurred.
Right, the rock just jumped out in front of the ship.

The ship didn't sink for it.
Right, a piddling 53 meter long gash couldn't possibly cause enough leakage to be a problem.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: onebigmonkey on May 02, 2017, 09:26:00 PM
No accident investigations were done as per international rules and regulations. As Germans died German authorities requested to attend the investigation ... which was refused by the Italians.

So no investigation was done but Germany wasn't allowed to attend the investigation.

Here is the report of the investigation that didn't happen.

https://www.msb.se/Upload/Insats_och_beredskap/Brand_raddning/RITS/Concordia_Mission_final_report.pdf

You and your friend the captain have a similar grasp of reality. Tell him he's a coward from me.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 02, 2017, 10:25:17 PM
No accident investigations were done as per international rules and regulations. As Germans died German authorities requested to attend the investigation ... which was refused by the Italians.

So no investigation was done but Germany wasn't allowed to attend the investigation.

Here is the report of the investigation that didn't happen.

https://www.msb.se/Upload/Insats_och_beredskap/Brand_raddning/RITS/Concordia_Mission_final_report.pdf

You and your friend the captain have a similar grasp of reality. Tell him he's a coward from me.

Thanks for a report about how to handle people stranded on a small island.

Note - "At 2248hrs the Captain of the Costa Concordia asked the MRSC for tug assistance. The ITCG queries the Captain about the eventuality of an Abandon Ship with the reply being that such a possibility was being evaluated."


The Captain knew that the ship was safe and could be towed to a place for repairs. As there was no electricity aboard passengers and crew were evacuated to a nearby port and the local authorities were asked to assist.

During the Abandon ship there was panic and confusion as the crew was not trained for it. Actually the staff took the lifeboats reserved for the passengers. The life rafts were not used as nobody knew how to launch them.

90 minutes later the ship capsized and sank and 32 persons died. Reason - staff opened illegal watertight doors aboard, etc, etc.

To cover-up the fact that the ship was not seaworthy, it was decided to blame the Captain for everything.

I have seen it before! The Captain should have stayed aboard and drowned!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 02, 2017, 10:36:00 PM

I have seen it before! The Captain should have stayed aboard and drowned!



No, the captain should have not have run his ship onto the rocks.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on May 03, 2017, 05:35:25 AM
Reason - staff opened illegal watertight doors aboard, etc, etc.
Are you saying that watertight doors are illegal on a ship? ???
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 03, 2017, 07:25:29 AM
Reason - staff opened illegal watertight doors aboard, etc, etc.
Are you saying that watertight doors are illegal on a ship? ???
Thanks for asking. Study http://heiwaco.com/news86.htm what I say.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Denspressure on May 03, 2017, 08:12:02 AM
IMO the damage was an accident.
Yes, it was an accident that never should have happened, but did because of the captain's incompetence.

Also, this has nothing at all to do with the topic (your lack of understanding of orbital mechanics).

It happened but we do not know how and why?

Incompetent captain? 

Couldn't turn the ship 56° starboard by turning the rudders for two minutes? Give me a break!

You being so smart knowing everything - can you explain the trajectory and dynamics of this strange turn ending in an accidental contact?
No, I'm not a safety at sea expert.  However, I do know that a ship's captain is responsible for the ship under his command.  I also know that showing off for your girlfriend is not always a good idea.
I know you are not an expert of anything. A ship's captain is not responsible for everything on a ship particularily when accidents happen. You really have to grow up and open your eyes.
The captain was responsible for ordering the ship closer to shore than normal.
Hm, it is the ship owner who owns and orders the ship to sail around paid for by passengers. The captain is just an employée doing what he is told paid for by the owner. And accidents happen all the time. Maybe it was the passengers fault sailing on a cheap, unsafe, boring cruise? Going from Civittavecchio to Savona - two Italian ports of no interest.
Your reasoning is more back-asswards than flat-earthers.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on May 03, 2017, 11:39:08 AM
Reason - staff opened illegal watertight doors aboard, etc, etc.
Are you saying that watertight doors are illegal on a ship? ???
Thanks for asking. Study http://heiwaco.com/news86.htm what I say.
Why can't you just copy and paste the relevant passage here?  Or cite some reputable source?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 03, 2017, 12:14:06 PM
Reason - staff opened illegal watertight doors aboard, etc, etc.
Are you saying that watertight doors are illegal on a ship? ???
Thanks for asking. Study http://heiwaco.com/news86.htm what I say.
Why can't you just copy and paste the relevant passage here?  Or cite some reputable source?
Because my web page is full of interesting links, pictures, quotes from rules, explanations, etc, etc. And no adverts. And all free of charge. I have several 100's of visitors/download every day and >2.3 million from the start.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on May 03, 2017, 12:31:36 PM
Reason - staff opened illegal watertight doors aboard, etc, etc.
Are you saying that watertight doors are illegal on a ship? ???
Thanks for asking. Study http://heiwaco.com/news86.htm what I say.
Why can't you just copy and paste the relevant passage here?  Or cite some reputable source?
Because my web page is full of interesting links, pictures, quotes from rules, explanations, etc, etc.
So why don't you just pick the most relevant information and post it here?

Or, better yet, we can drop this whole off topic distraction and get back on topic: i.e. your lack of understanding in orbital mechanics.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on May 03, 2017, 02:45:50 PM
Reason - staff opened illegal watertight doors aboard, etc, etc.
Are you saying that watertight doors are illegal on a ship? ???
Thanks for asking. Study http://heiwaco.com/news86.htm what I say.
Why can't you just copy and paste the relevant passage here?  Or cite some reputable source?
😂😂😂😂😂
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on May 03, 2017, 03:25:42 PM
I wonder if Anders knows anything about anything....
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 03, 2017, 05:34:32 PM
Reason - staff opened illegal watertight doors aboard, etc, etc.
Are you saying that watertight doors are illegal on a ship? ???
Thanks for asking. Study http://heiwaco.com/news86.htm what I say.
Why can't you just copy and paste the relevant passage here?  Or cite some reputable source?
Because my web page is full of interesting links, pictures, quotes from rules, explanations, etc, etc.
So why don't you just pick the most relevant information and post it here?

Or, better yet, we can drop this whole off topic distraction and get back on topic: i.e. your lack of understanding in orbital mechanics.
Safety at sea is more complicated than orbital mechanics and I am good at both. You are just another loser that cannot even calculate the fuel required for a simple, but impossible, manned space trip - http://heiwaco.com/chall2.htm .
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on May 03, 2017, 06:47:13 PM
Safety at sea is more complicated than orbital mechanics and I am good at both.
I have yet to see any evidence that you're any good at either.

You are just another loser that cannot even calculate the fuel required for a simple, but impossible, manned space trip.
If space trips are as simple as you claim, then why should they be impossible? ???
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: frenat on May 03, 2017, 06:49:17 PM
More lies from Heiwa.  Seems that is the only thing he's good at.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on May 03, 2017, 06:55:52 PM
Reason - staff opened illegal watertight doors aboard, etc, etc.
Are you saying that watertight doors are illegal on a ship? ???
Thanks for asking. Study http://heiwaco.com/news86.htm what I say.
Why can't you just copy and paste the relevant passage here?  Or cite some reputable source?
Because my web page is full of interesting links, pictures, quotes from rules, explanations, etc, etc.
So why don't you just pick the most relevant information and post it here?

Or, better yet, we can drop this whole off topic distraction and get back on topic: i.e. your lack of understanding in orbital mechanics.
Safety at sea is more complicated than orbital mechanics and I am good at both. You are just another loser that cannot even calculate the fuel required for a simple, but impossible, manned space trip - http://heiwaco.com/chall2.htm .

Simple but impossible.

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Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 03, 2017, 09:26:41 PM

You are just another loser that cannot even calculate the fuel required for a simple, but impossible, manned space trip.
If space trips are as simple as you claim, then why should they be impossible? ???

Space trips putting satellites in orbits one way are simple. Human space trips are impossible! You cannot stop and land afterwards. All space trips are one way ... until you run out of fuel.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Denspressure on May 04, 2017, 04:32:29 AM

You are just another loser that cannot even calculate the fuel required for a simple, but impossible, manned space trip.
If space trips are as simple as you claim, then why should they be impossible? ???

Space trips putting satellites in orbits one way are simple. Human space trips are impossible! You cannot stop and land afterwards. All space trips are one way ... until you run out of fuel.

Of course you can stop.

Fire in the opposite direction.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: frenat on May 04, 2017, 05:04:38 AM

You are just another loser that cannot even calculate the fuel required for a simple, but impossible, manned space trip.
If space trips are as simple as you claim, then why should they be impossible? ???

Space trips putting satellites in orbits one way are simple. Human space trips are impossible! You cannot stop and land afterwards. All space trips are one way ... until you run out of fuel.
Heiwa proves again the topic of the thread.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 04, 2017, 05:27:42 AM

You are just another loser that cannot even calculate the fuel required for a simple, but impossible, manned space trip.
If space trips are as simple as you claim, then why should they be impossible? ???

Space trips putting satellites in orbits one way are simple. Human space trips are impossible! You cannot stop and land afterwards. All space trips are one way ... until you run out of fuel.

Of course you can stop.

Fire in the opposite direction.

No! Of course not. No fuel for it. Lose http://heiwaco.com/chall2.htm and you will understand. It is basic rocket science. No way to return, land and stop.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on May 04, 2017, 05:28:39 AM
Space trips putting satellites in orbits one way are simple.
Is that what Arianespace tells you?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: frenat on May 04, 2017, 05:30:41 AM

You are just another loser that cannot even calculate the fuel required for a simple, but impossible, manned space trip.
If space trips are as simple as you claim, then why should they be impossible? ???

Space trips putting satellites in orbits one way are simple. Human space trips are impossible! You cannot stop and land afterwards. All space trips are one way ... until you run out of fuel.

Of course you can stop.

Fire in the opposite direction.

No! Of course not. No fuel for it. Lose http://heiwaco.com/chall2.htm and you will understand. It is basic rocket science. No way to return, land and stop.
Heiwa proves AGAIN the topic of the thread.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 04, 2017, 05:32:57 AM
Space trips putting satellites in orbits one way are simple.
Is that what Arianespace tells you?

Yes, human space travel is impossible.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 04, 2017, 05:38:13 AM

You are just another loser that cannot even calculate the fuel required for a simple, but impossible, manned space trip.
If space trips are as simple as you claim, then why should they be impossible? ???

Space trips putting satellites in orbits one way are simple. Human space trips are impossible! You cannot stop and land afterwards. All space trips are one way ... until you run out of fuel.

Of course you can stop.

Fire in the opposite direction.

No! Of course not. No fuel for it. Lose http://heiwaco.com/chall2.htm and you will understand. It is basic rocket science. No way to return, land and stop.
Heiwa proves AGAIN the topic of the thread.

Hm? But how to re-enter, brake, land and stop when returning from space? Explain and win €1M at http://heiwaco.com/chall2.htm .
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: frenat on May 04, 2017, 05:40:16 AM

You are just another loser that cannot even calculate the fuel required for a simple, but impossible, manned space trip.
If space trips are as simple as you claim, then why should they be impossible? ???

Space trips putting satellites in orbits one way are simple. Human space trips are impossible! You cannot stop and land afterwards. All space trips are one way ... until you run out of fuel.

Of course you can stop.

Fire in the opposite direction.

No! Of course not. No fuel for it. Lose http://heiwaco.com/chall2.htm and you will understand. It is basic rocket science. No way to return, land and stop.
Heiwa proves AGAIN the topic of the thread.

Hm? But how to re-enter, brake, land and stop when returning from space? Explain and win €1M at http://heiwaco.com/chall2.htm .
You've been shown multiple times and only proven your dishonesty and ignorance.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 04, 2017, 05:45:47 AM

You are just another loser that cannot even calculate the fuel required for a simple, but impossible, manned space trip.
If space trips are as simple as you claim, then why should they be impossible? ???

Space trips putting satellites in orbits one way are simple. Human space trips are impossible! You cannot stop and land afterwards. All space trips are one way ... until you run out of fuel.

Of course you can stop.

Fire in the opposite direction.

No! Of course not. No fuel for it. Lose http://heiwaco.com/chall2.htm and you will understand. It is basic rocket science. No way to return, land and stop.
Heiwa proves AGAIN the topic of the thread.

Hm? But how to re-enter, brake, land and stop when returning from space? Explain and win €1M at http://heiwaco.com/chall2.htm .
You've been shown multiple times and only proven your dishonesty and ignorance.
When, where, how?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: frenat on May 04, 2017, 05:58:10 AM

You are just another loser that cannot even calculate the fuel required for a simple, but impossible, manned space trip.
If space trips are as simple as you claim, then why should they be impossible? ???

Space trips putting satellites in orbits one way are simple. Human space trips are impossible! You cannot stop and land afterwards. All space trips are one way ... until you run out of fuel.

Of course you can stop.

Fire in the opposite direction.

No! Of course not. No fuel for it. Lose http://heiwaco.com/chall2.htm and you will understand. It is basic rocket science. No way to return, land and stop.
Heiwa proves AGAIN the topic of the thread.

Hm? But how to re-enter, brake, land and stop when returning from space? Explain and win €1M at http://heiwaco.com/chall2.htm .
You've been shown multiple times and only proven your dishonesty and ignorance.
When, where, how?
Through this thread and others, every time you talk about it.  More lies from Heiwa.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on May 04, 2017, 06:15:03 AM
Yes, human space travel is impossible.
When did Arianespace say that? ???
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 04, 2017, 07:36:34 AM
Yes, human space travel is impossible.
When did Arianespace say that? ???

Arianespace just puts satellites in any orbits. They will never recover them. Just ask them and they will confirm.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 04, 2017, 07:39:21 AM

You are just another loser that cannot even calculate the fuel required for a simple, but impossible, manned space trip.
If space trips are as simple as you claim, then why should they be impossible? ???

Space trips putting satellites in orbits one way are simple. Human space trips are impossible! You cannot stop and land afterwards. All space trips are one way ... until you run out of fuel.

Of course you can stop.

Fire in the opposite direction.

No! Of course not. No fuel for it. Lose http://heiwaco.com/chall2.htm and you will understand. It is basic rocket science. No way to return, land and stop.
Heiwa proves AGAIN the topic of the thread.

Hm? But how to re-enter, brake, land and stop when returning from space? Explain and win €1M at http://heiwaco.com/chall2.htm .
You've been shown multiple times and only proven your dishonesty and ignorance.
When, where, how?
Through this thread and others, every time you talk about it.  More lies from Heiwa.
But when, how and where?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on May 04, 2017, 10:21:53 AM
Yes, human space travel is impossible.
When did Arianespace say that? ???

Arianespace just puts satellites in any orbits. They will never recover them. Just ask them and they will confirm.
Are you saying that if  Arianespace chooses not to do it, then it can't possibly be done by anyone else? ???
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 04, 2017, 10:34:35 AM
Yes, human space travel is impossible.
When did Arianespace say that? ???

Arianespace just puts satellites in any orbits. They will never recover them. Just ask them and they will confirm.
Are you saying that if  Arianespace chooses not to do it, then it can't possibly be done by anyone else? ???

No, I just say that Arianespace only puts small satellites in orbits. It is a one-way business. These satellites cannot come back and land on Earth. Not even the rockets can land.  Just ask them or visit their web site http://www.arianespace.com/
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Kami on May 04, 2017, 10:59:45 AM
Sorry to bring this up again but I was away for some time. The sole reason we need a captain on ships nowadays is that he is responsible and can react in case something goes wrong. Guidance and collision detection nowadays is quite good but you need someone responsible - the captain. Jumping off the ship immediately is not the appropriate reaction. Noone expects him to drown but IMO he is responsible to stay as long as he can to help and coordinate the evacuation. I hope this guy serves a looooong time in jail.


On topic: heiwa, safety at sea is definitely not easy, but rocket science plays in a different league (there is a reason it is called rocket science)

While you have clearly demonstrated that you do not even understand the simplest orbital mechanics, I thought you at least had some grasp on your region of expertise. Seems that I was wrong.

If you understand anything about orbital mechanics please tell me whether I made any mistakes in the calculations I posted.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 04, 2017, 11:18:36 AM
Sorry to bring this up again but I was away for some time. The sole reason we need a captain on ships nowadays is that he is responsible and can react in case something goes wrong. Guidance and collision detection nowadays is quite good but you need someone responsible - the captain. Jumping off the ship immediately is not the appropriate reaction. Noone expects him to drown but IMO he is responsible to stay as long as he can to help and coordinate the evacuation. I hope this guy serves a looooong time in jail.


On topic: heiwa, safety at sea is definitely not easy, but rocket science plays in a different league (there is a reason it is called rocket science)

While you have clearly demonstrated that you do not even understand the simplest orbital mechanics, I thought you at least had some grasp on your region of expertise. Seems that I was wrong.

If you understand anything about orbital mechanics please tell me whether I made any mistakes in the calculations I posted.
On a ship the chief engineer is responsible for the machinery and on passenger ships the ship's doctor looks after medical affairs, etc, etc. If you think a captain is responsible for everything, you sound like an American shipowner who is not responsible for anything except collecting the money.
Re orbital mechanics I pay since many years €1M to anyone who can describe the fuel consumption of manned trips to the Moon and planet Mars. http://heiwaco.com/chall2.htm . It seems nobody knows how to do these basic calculations. I present my calculations at my website and it seems I get too heavy to get off the ground, even if my spacecraft is very light - without swimming pool and facilities we provide on a ship.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on May 04, 2017, 11:39:33 AM
No, I just say that Arianespace only puts small satellites in orbits. It is a one-way business. These satellites cannot come back and land on Earth. Not even the rockets can land.  Just ask them or visit their web site http://www.arianespace.com/
Ok, I will.

Hmmm....

Look what I just found:
Quote from: http://www.arianespace.com/press-release/successful-launch-of-ixv-reentry-demonstrator-by-vega/
Vega, the latest member of the family of launchers operated by Arianespace, has successfully launched the IXV (Intermediate eXperimental Vehicle) atmospheric reentry demonstrator. The fourth Vega launch took place on February 11 at 10:40 am (local time) from the Guiana Space Center in French Guiana. Developed by the European Space Agency, the IXV marks the latest step by Europe in the development of atmospheric reentry technologies, a key to manned flights.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Kami on May 04, 2017, 12:07:35 PM
Sorry to bring this up again but I was away for some time. The sole reason we need a captain on ships nowadays is that he is responsible and can react in case something goes wrong. Guidance and collision detection nowadays is quite good but you need someone responsible - the captain. Jumping off the ship immediately is not the appropriate reaction. Noone expects him to drown but IMO he is responsible to stay as long as he can to help and coordinate the evacuation. I hope this guy serves a looooong time in jail.


On topic: heiwa, safety at sea is definitely not easy, but rocket science plays in a different league (there is a reason it is called rocket science)

While you have clearly demonstrated that you do not even understand the simplest orbital mechanics, I thought you at least had some grasp on your region of expertise. Seems that I was wrong.

If you understand anything about orbital mechanics please tell me whether I made any mistakes in the calculations I posted.
On a ship the chief engineer is responsible for the machinery and on passenger ships the ship's doctor looks after medical affairs, etc, etc. If you think a captain is responsible for everything, you sound like an American shipowner who is not responsible for anything except collecting the money.
Re orbital mechanics I pay since many years €1M to anyone who can describe the fuel consumption of manned trips to the Moon and planet Mars. http://heiwaco.com/chall2.htm . It seems nobody knows how to do these basic calculations. I present my calculations at my website and it seems I get too heavy to get off the ground, even if my spacecraft is very light - without swimming pool and facilities we provide on a ship.
The main reason ships dominate and have dominated international cargo transfer is that for them weight does not really matter. Build a ship twice the size, you can carry twice the stuff. In rocket science it is a little different. As you said, you have to keep it light. Your suggestion to put a swimming pool (or a sauna or sth similar) on a spacecraft again proves your ignorance or sheer incompetence.
I described how to calculate the fuel consumption to go to the moon on the first post of this article, starting from LEO. You ignored it. Your challenge is a lie and you constantly crying for it is a little pathetic, to be honest.

Of course the captain is not responsible for everything, but he is the ultimate authority on the ship. And if an accident happens, it is his responsibility to ensure a swift evacuation. You can not do that if you are not on the ship.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on May 04, 2017, 12:27:13 PM
Re orbital mechanics I pay since many years €1M to anyone who can describe the fuel consumption of manned trips to the Moon and planet Mars. http://heiwaco.com/chall2.htm . It seems nobody knows how to do these basic calculations. I present my calculations at my website and it seems I get too heavy to get off the ground, even if my spacecraft is very light - without swimming pool and facilities we provide on a ship.

As you already know, fuel consumption for space travel is calculated using the Tsiolkovsky rocket equation, so your challenge has been met.  Building a rocket that is light enough and powerful enough to make the trip with the fuel calculated is a completely different challenge.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 04, 2017, 07:18:13 PM
No, I just say that Arianespace only puts small satellites in orbits. It is a one-way business. These satellites cannot come back and land on Earth. Not even the rockets can land.  Just ask them or visit their web site http://www.arianespace.com/
Ok, I will.

Hmmm....

Look what I just found:
Quote from: http://www.arianespace.com/press-release/successful-launch-of-ixv-reentry-demonstrator-by-vega/
Vega, the latest member of the family of launchers operated by Arianespace, has successfully launched the IXV (Intermediate eXperimental Vehicle) atmospheric reentry demonstrator. The fourth Vega launch took place on February 11 at 10:40 am (local time) from the Guiana Space Center in French Guiana. Developed by the European Space Agency, the IXV marks the latest step by Europe in the development of atmospheric reentry technologies, a key to manned flights.

Yes, the European Xpace Agecny, EXA, is into the fake human space travel biz together with NAXA and Xpaces. You know, you say you send humans into space and then tell media that they have magically returned by a reentry, slowing down and landing. A simple, magic Houdini trick!  EXA just subcontracts the launches of their fake spacecrafts to Arianespace and fakes the landings themselves. EXA is just 50 years behind NAXA to steal money from the tax payers that way. I describe it at http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm .
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 04, 2017, 07:21:35 PM
Re orbital mechanics I pay since many years €1M to anyone who can describe the fuel consumption of manned trips to the Moon and planet Mars. http://heiwaco.com/chall2.htm . It seems nobody knows how to do these basic calculations. I present my calculations at my website and it seems I get too heavy to get off the ground, even if my spacecraft is very light - without swimming pool and facilities we provide on a ship.

As you already know, fuel consumption for space travel is calculated using the Tsiolkovsky rocket equation, so your challenge has been met.  Building a rocket that is light enough and powerful enough to make the trip with the fuel calculated is a completely different challenge.

LOL - Tsiolkovsky only calculates speed change ignoring influence of gravity. If you think Tsiolkovsky is the answer to win my Challenge, you know nothing about orbital mechanics.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 04, 2017, 07:34:23 PM
Sorry to bring this up again but I was away for some time. The sole reason we need a captain on ships nowadays is that he is responsible and can react in case something goes wrong. Guidance and collision detection nowadays is quite good but you need someone responsible - the captain. Jumping off the ship immediately is not the appropriate reaction. Noone expects him to drown but IMO he is responsible to stay as long as he can to help and coordinate the evacuation. I hope this guy serves a looooong time in jail.


On topic: heiwa, safety at sea is definitely not easy, but rocket science plays in a different league (there is a reason it is called rocket science)

While you have clearly demonstrated that you do not even understand the simplest orbital mechanics, I thought you at least had some grasp on your region of expertise. Seems that I was wrong.

If you understand anything about orbital mechanics please tell me whether I made any mistakes in the calculations I posted.
On a ship the chief engineer is responsible for the machinery and on passenger ships the ship's doctor looks after medical affairs, etc, etc. If you think a captain is responsible for everything, you sound like an American shipowner who is not responsible for anything except collecting the money.
Re orbital mechanics I pay since many years €1M to anyone who can describe the fuel consumption of manned trips to the Moon and planet Mars. http://heiwaco.com/chall2.htm . It seems nobody knows how to do these basic calculations. I present my calculations at my website and it seems I get too heavy to get off the ground, even if my spacecraft is very light - without swimming pool and facilities we provide on a ship.
The main reason ships dominate and have dominated international cargo transfer is that for them weight does not really matter. Build a ship twice the size, you can carry twice the stuff. In rocket science it is a little different. As you said, you have to keep it light. Your suggestion to put a swimming pool (or a sauna or sth similar) on a spacecraft again proves your ignorance or sheer incompetence.
I described how to calculate the fuel consumption to go to the moon on the first post of this article, starting from LEO. You ignored it. Your challenge is a lie and you constantly crying for it is a little pathetic, to be honest.

Of course the captain is not responsible for everything, but he is the ultimate authority on the ship. And if an accident happens, it is his responsibility to ensure a swift evacuation. You can not do that if you are not on the ship.

Thanks for agreeing that the captain is not responsible for everything. BTW - if an accident happens in space, how do you evacuate your spacecraft and save the people aboard? And who is responsible.

And shouldn't a space craft for humans have facilities for the people? Or should they just be locked up for the complete trip? That's inhuman!

Re your first post there are some calculations of yours what speed you have in orbit and what speed you must have to reach the Moon in another orbit ... and crash. Nothing about fuel consumption. I pointed it out in my answer to you then.

But as you are so clever, why don't you calculate the speed increase to put a spacecraft in orbit around the Sun like the 100% fake OSIRIS REx and what the trajectory looks like to return to Earth after about a year for a (fake) gravity sling shot. Study http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm for this hoax and waste of tax payers money.

(http://heiwaco.com/orex11.gif)

Note how OSIRIS REx was speeding away from Earth at high speed last September inside Earth's orbit around the Sun and how ISIRIS REx is now slowing down (!) in its strange orbit (trajectory!) now outside the Earth that is catching up from behind at constant speed. Earth and spacecraft OSIRIS REx will meet again in September. It is really MAGIC!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on May 04, 2017, 07:56:24 PM
Yes, the European Xpace Agecny, EXA, is into the fake human space travel biz together with NAXA and Xpaces. You know, you say you send humans into space and then tell media that they have magically returned by a reentry, slowing down and landing. A simple, magic Houdini trick!
It is a truly pitiful engineer who can't tell the difference between technology and magic.

If you think Tsiolkovsky is the answer to win my Challenge, you know nothing about orbital mechanics.
Oh, I'm sure that no one will ever be able to do enough to win any of your silly little challenges.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 04, 2017, 08:02:24 PM
Yes, the European Xpace Agecny, EXA, is into the fake human space travel biz together with NAXA and Xpaces. You know, you say you send humans into space and then tell media that they have magically returned by a reentry, slowing down and landing. A simple, magic Houdini trick!
It is a truly pitiful engineer who can't tell the difference between technology and magic.

If you think Tsiolkovsky is the answer to win my Challenge, you know nothing about orbital mechanics.
Oh, I'm sure that no one will ever be able to do enough to win any of your silly little challenges.

Yes, and you are a loser knowing nothing about orbital magics. Here is explain the tricks, incl. OSIRIS REx at my website and you cannot even understand them.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: disputeone on May 04, 2017, 08:03:53 PM
Why not just show Kami where his maths is wrong?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on May 04, 2017, 08:10:46 PM
Why not just show Kami where his maths is wrong?
No, you must study his very popular website.  He explains it all there.
And by explain I mean he says, but of course that's impossible.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 04, 2017, 08:13:22 PM
Why not just show Kami where his maths is wrong?

It is nothing wrong with the maths. But it is only maths of instant speed increase and no calculations of associated fuel consumption. If you do that, you will find that you are too heavy to get off the ground to start with. I though I explained that in Reply #1 of this thread.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on May 04, 2017, 08:16:49 PM
Why not just show Kami where his maths is wrong?

It is nothing wrong with the maths. But it is only maths of instant speed increase and no calculations of associated fuel consumption. If you do that, you will find that you are too heavy to get off the ground to start with. I though I explained that in Reply #1 of this thread.
No, you just claim it.  You show nothing to support.  Which is all you ever do.  Make claims you cannot back up.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: disputeone on May 04, 2017, 08:21:23 PM
Why not just show Kami where his maths is wrong?

It is nothing wrong with the maths. But it is only maths of instant speed increase and no calculations of associated fuel consumption. If you do that, you will find that you are too heavy to get off the ground to start with. I though I explained that in Reply #1 of this thread.
No, you just claim it.  You show nothing to support.  Which is all you ever do.  Make claims you cannot back up.

Which pushes peoples buttons.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 04, 2017, 08:38:56 PM
Why not just show Kami where his maths is wrong?

It is nothing wrong with the maths. But it is only maths of instant speed increase and no calculations of associated fuel consumption. If you do that, you will find that you are too heavy to get off the ground to start with. I though I explained that in Reply #1 of this thread.
No, you just claim it.  You show nothing to support.  Which is all you ever do.  Make claims you cannot back up.
?? No, I show that there are no calculations of fuel consumption, only calculations of speed changes. Read again my Reply #1! But you cannot change speed without using fuel.
And the amount of fuel required for any manned space trip is so large that ... you never get off the ground. It is basic rocket science. It is not even basic orbital mechanics - topic.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: disputeone on May 04, 2017, 09:39:07 PM
The amount of fuel required for any manned space trip is so large that ... you never get off the ground. It is basic rocket science. It is not even basic orbital mechanics - topic.

Show us how in the context of F=ma.

Here. Copy and paste from your website if you have to. Saying you can prove it then refusing to and calling people stupid because you can't debunk their arguments is lame.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 04, 2017, 10:31:45 PM
The amount of fuel required for any manned space trip is so large that ... you never get off the ground. It is basic rocket science. It is not even basic orbital mechanics - topic.

Show us how in the context of F=ma.

Here. Copy and paste from your website if you have to. Saying you can prove it then refusing to and calling people stupid because you can't debunk their arguments is lame.

?? Applying a force F to a mass m will displace the mass at increased speed a. Example - planet Earth applies force F by gravity (no fuel required!) to an apple in a tree on Earth. The apple drops from the tree at increased speed. Mass m remains unchanged. When the apple crashes against ground, ground applies a new force and applies it on the apple which stops!

To produce a force F to move a spacecraft fuel is required. But how much? That's the question.

However, the force F must also be applied in the right direction, at the right location and at the right time. If you are already moving at high speed changing direction all the time (e.g. in an orbit or somewhere in Universe), things get complicated.

And if your mass changes (is reduced) by producing the force F, then you have to consider it too.

All stupid idiots having failed my Challenge forgot these basics of orbital mechanics.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: disputeone on May 04, 2017, 10:40:25 PM
So you can't show us that the mass of the shuttle is too great to accelerate it with the force available?

What's with you guys?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on May 04, 2017, 10:51:41 PM
The amount of fuel required for any manned space trip is so large that ... you never get off the ground. It is basic rocket science. It is not even basic orbital mechanics - topic.

Show us how in the context of F=ma.

Here. Copy and paste from your website if you have to. Saying you can prove it then refusing to and calling people stupid because you can't debunk their arguments is lame.

?? Applying a force F to a mass m will displace the mass at increased speed a. Example - planet Earth applies force F by gravity (no fuel required!) to an apple in a tree on Earth. The apple drops from the tree at increased speed. Mass m remains unchanged. When the apple crashes against ground, ground applies a new force and applies it on the apple which stops!

To produce a force F to move a spacecraft fuel is required. But how much? That's the question.

However, the force F must also be applied in the right direction, at the right location and at the right time. If you are already moving at high speed changing direction all the time (e.g. in an orbit or somewhere in Universe), things get complicated.

And if your mass changes (is reduced) by producing the force F, then you have to consider it too.

All stupid idiots having failed my Challenge forgot these basics of orbital mechanics.

So far you've utterly failed my challenge so perhaps you should think twice before calling others "stupid idiots".

In fact, if you were the professional you claim to be you probably wouldn't be using that kind of language anyway. That's more like something an immature teenager would post.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on May 04, 2017, 11:00:04 PM

You are just another loser that cannot even calculate the fuel required for a simple, but impossible, manned space trip.
If space trips are as simple as you claim, then why should they be impossible? ???

Space trips putting satellites in orbits one way are simple. Human space trips are impossible! You cannot stop and land afterwards. All space trips are one way ... until you run out of fuel.

Of course you can stop.

Fire in the opposite direction.

No! Of course not. No fuel for it. Lose http://heiwaco.com/chall2.htm and you will understand. It is basic rocket science. No way to return, land and stop.
Heiwa proves AGAIN the topic of the thread.

Hm? But how to re-enter, brake, land and stop when returning from space? Explain and win €1M at http://heiwaco.com/chall2.htm .
You've been shown multiple times and only proven your dishonesty and ignorance.
When, where, how?

Hello?... Hello? Did you forgot we are the same people who have watched you being told this over and over and over again? Did you think you could just wait a few weeks and then come back here and post as though those conversations never occurred? Do you think we've forgotten? What exactly is your point here? Everyone of us knows when, where, and how so you're just making yourself look ridiculous.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 04, 2017, 11:14:05 PM
So you can't show us that the mass of the shuttle is too great to accelerate it with the force available?

What's with you guys?

That a 90 tons Shuttle with only 15 tons payload could not take off from ground, I show since many years at http://heiwaco.com/moontravel2.htm .

What the public saw at launches and was shown live on TV was a lightweight mock-up or prop sent away behind the clouds. The fake Shuttle then was vaporized when it ran out of fuel. The Shuttle seen landing weeks later was just dropped of from the top of a jumbo jet. What a stupid magic trick.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on May 04, 2017, 11:59:47 PM
Why not just show Kami where his maths is wrong?

It is nothing wrong with the maths. But it is only maths of instant speed increase and no calculations of associated fuel consumption. If you do that, you will find that you are too heavy to get off the ground to start with. I though I explained that in Reply #1 of this thread.
No, you just claim it.  You show nothing to support.  Which is all you ever do.  Make claims you cannot back up.
?? No, I show that there are no calculations of fuel consumption, only calculations of speed changes. Read again my Reply #1! But you cannot change speed without using fuel.
And the amount of fuel required for any manned space trip is so large that ... you never get off the ground. It is basic rocket science. It is not even basic orbital mechanics - topic.
Great, show us the math proves you have to carry so much fuel you can't launch.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 05, 2017, 03:28:11 AM
Why not just show Kami where his maths is wrong?

It is nothing wrong with the maths. But it is only maths of instant speed increase and no calculations of associated fuel consumption. If you do that, you will find that you are too heavy to get off the ground to start with. I though I explained that in Reply #1 of this thread.
No, you just claim it.  You show nothing to support.  Which is all you ever do.  Make claims you cannot back up.
?? No, I show that there are no calculations of fuel consumption, only calculations of speed changes. Read again my Reply #1! But you cannot change speed without using fuel.
And the amount of fuel required for any manned space trip is so large that ... you never get off the ground. It is basic rocket science. It is not even basic orbital mechanics - topic.
Great, show us the math proves you have to carry so much fuel you can't launch.

Just study http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm , copy paste what you do not understand and I will explain why you do not understand.
Arianespace need plenty of fuel just to launch a small satellite into orbit 2017. NASA 50 years earlier launched 10 times heavier satellites/spacecraft using less fuel.
So NASA faked it 1969.
Actually they were told to fake. The public then didn't understand anything anyway.
Isn't it funny? We were fooled 1969 with asstronuts on the Moon.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: frenat on May 05, 2017, 05:13:53 AM
Sorry to bring this up again but I was away for some time. The sole reason we need a captain on ships nowadays is that he is responsible and can react in case something goes wrong. Guidance and collision detection nowadays is quite good but you need someone responsible - the captain. Jumping off the ship immediately is not the appropriate reaction. Noone expects him to drown but IMO he is responsible to stay as long as he can to help and coordinate the evacuation. I hope this guy serves a looooong time in jail.


On topic: heiwa, safety at sea is definitely not easy, but rocket science plays in a different league (there is a reason it is called rocket science)

While you have clearly demonstrated that you do not even understand the simplest orbital mechanics, I thought you at least had some grasp on your region of expertise. Seems that I was wrong.

If you understand anything about orbital mechanics please tell me whether I made any mistakes in the calculations I posted.
On a ship the chief engineer is responsible for the machinery and on passenger ships the ship's doctor looks after medical affairs, etc, etc. If you think a captain is responsible for everything, you sound like an American shipowner who is not responsible for anything except collecting the money.
Re orbital mechanics I pay since many years €1M to anyone who can describe the fuel consumption of manned trips to the Moon and planet Mars. http://heiwaco.com/chall2.htm . It seems nobody knows how to do these basic calculations. I present my calculations at my website and it seems I get too heavy to get off the ground, even if my spacecraft is very light - without swimming pool and facilities we provide on a ship.
The main reason ships dominate and have dominated international cargo transfer is that for them weight does not really matter. Build a ship twice the size, you can carry twice the stuff. In rocket science it is a little different. As you said, you have to keep it light. Your suggestion to put a swimming pool (or a sauna or sth similar) on a spacecraft again proves your ignorance or sheer incompetence.
I described how to calculate the fuel consumption to go to the moon on the first post of this article, starting from LEO. You ignored it. Your challenge is a lie and you constantly crying for it is a little pathetic, to be honest.

Of course the captain is not responsible for everything, but he is the ultimate authority on the ship. And if an accident happens, it is his responsibility to ensure a swift evacuation. You can not do that if you are not on the ship.

Thanks for agreeing that the captain is not responsible for everything. BTW - if an accident happens in space, how do you evacuate your spacecraft and save the people aboard? And who is responsible.

And shouldn't a space craft for humans have facilities for the people? Or should they just be locked up for the complete trip? That's inhuman!

Re your first post there are some calculations of yours what speed you have in orbit and what speed you must have to reach the Moon in another orbit ... and crash. Nothing about fuel consumption. I pointed it out in my answer to you then.

But as you are so clever, why don't you calculate the speed increase to put a spacecraft in orbit around the Sun like the 100% fake OSIRIS REx and what the trajectory looks like to return to Earth after about a year for a (fake) gravity sling shot. Study http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm for this hoax and waste of tax payers money.

(http://heiwaco.com/orex11.gif)

Note how OSIRIS REx was speeding away from Earth at high speed last September inside Earth's orbit around the Sun and how ISIRIS REx is now slowing down (!) in its strange orbit (trajectory!) now outside the Earth that is catching up from behind at constant speed. Earth and spacecraft OSIRIS REx will meet again in September. It is really MAGIC!
More proof from Heiwa that he doesn't understand orbital mechanics. 
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: frenat on May 05, 2017, 05:16:23 AM
So you can't show us that the mass of the shuttle is too great to accelerate it with the force available?

What's with you guys?

That a 90 tons Shuttle with only 15 tons payload could not take off from ground, I show since many years at http://heiwaco.com/moontravel2.htm .

What the public saw at launches and was shown live on TV was a lightweight mock-up or prop sent away behind the clouds. The fake Shuttle then was vaporized when it ran out of fuel. The Shuttle seen landing weeks later was just dropped of from the top of a jumbo jet. What a stupid magic trick.
no, what you show only is your extreme ignorance.  Don't worry, we've all been laughing at you.  That was your goal, right?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 05, 2017, 07:23:30 AM


(http://heiwaco.com/orex11.gif)

Note how OSIRIS REx was speeding away from Earth at high speed last September inside Earth's orbit around the Sun and how ISIRIS REx is now slowing down (!) in its strange orbit (trajectory!) now outside the Earth that is catching up from behind at constant speed. Earth and spacecraft OSIRIS REx will meet again in September. It is really MAGIC!
More proof from Heiwa that he doesn't understand orbital mechanics.

Well - let's test your understanding of orbital mechanics or dynamics. It seems planet Earth orbits the Sun at almost constant speed in an almost cirkel - green in the figure above. The 360° orbit Earth takes a year. The Sun is the yellow spot in the middle.

Spacecraft OSIRIS REx was launched from Earth orbiting the Sun on 8 September 2016 into an ellpitical or hyperbolic (!) orbit around the Sun - red in the figure above.
The Atlas V rocket launched OSIRIS-REx with a hyperbolic escape velocity (!) of 5.4 km/s (over 12,000 mph). In space, OSIRIS-REx performs a series of Deep Space Maneuvers (DSM), changing velocity by another 0.52 km/s (1,163 mph).
See - http://www.asteroidmission.org/mission/#cruise
After a year and two weeks orbiting (!) the sun, OSIRIS-REx will make a flyby of Earth. Earth's gravitational field will pull the spacecraft towards the planet Earth where it can "borrow" a small amount of Earth's orbital energy. This additional energy is used to increase OSIRIS-REx's orbital inclination and sling it back into space for a rendezvous with Bennu.
The flyby will take place September 22, 2017 and the spacecraft will reach Bennu November 2018. Bennu is an asteroid orbiting around the Sun in the blue elliptical orbit inclined to the Earth orbit.

Now, what kind of trajectory is OSIRIS REx doing? It took off from Earth heading towards the Sun on 8 September 2016 leaving Earth behind in a hyperbolic orbit inside Earth's orbit. What is a hyperbolic orbit? Ever heard of one? What is OSIRIS REx orbiting around? The Sun?
1 May 2017 OSIRIS REx is still far ahead of planet Earth - actually 5.91 light minutes - outside Earth's orbit but now Earth is getting closer every day. OSIRIS REx will collide with Earth September 22, 2017.
But NO! There will only be a flyby.

Anyway - to show that you are clever - what was/is the OSIRIS REx speeds (relative Sun and Earth) the first of every month since launch until flyby? It is basic orbital dynamics!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: frenat on May 05, 2017, 07:26:00 AM


(http://heiwaco.com/orex11.gif)

Note how OSIRIS REx was speeding away from Earth at high speed last September inside Earth's orbit around the Sun and how ISIRIS REx is now slowing down (!) in its strange orbit (trajectory!) now outside the Earth that is catching up from behind at constant speed. Earth and spacecraft OSIRIS REx will meet again in September. It is really MAGIC!
More proof from Heiwa that he doesn't understand orbital mechanics.

Well - let's test your understanding of orbital mechanics or dynamics. It seems planet Earth orbits the Sun at almost constant speed in an almost cirkel - green in the figure above. The 360° orbit Earth takes a year.

Spacecraft OSIRIS REx was launched from Earth orbiting the Sun on 8 September 2016 into an ellpitical or hyperbolic (!) orbit around the Sun - red in the figure above.
The Atlas V rocket launched OSIRIS-REx with a hyperbolic escape velocity (!) of 5.4 km/s (over 12,000 mph). In space, OSIRIS-REx perform a series of Deep Space Maneuvers, changing velocity by another 0.52 km/s (1,163 mph).
See - http://www.asteroidmission.org/mission/#cruise
After a year and two weeks orbiting (!) the sun, OSIRIS-REx will make a flyby of Earth. Earth's gravitational field will pull the spacecraft towards the planet Earth where it can "borrow" a small amount of Earth's orbital energy. This additional energy is used to increase OSIRIS-REx's orbital inclination and sling it back into space for a rendezvous with Bennu.
The flyby will take place September 22, 2017 and the spacecraft will reach Bennu November 2018. Bennu is an asteroid orbiting around the Sun in the blue elliptical orbit inclined to the Earth orbit.

Now, what kind of trajectory is OSIRIS REx doing? It took off from Earth heading towards the Sun on 8 September 2016 leaving Earth behind in a hyperbolic orbit inside Earth's orbit. What is a hyperbolic orbit? Ever heard of one? What is OSIRIS REx orbiting around? The Sun?
1 May 2017 OSIRIS REx is still far ahead of planet Earth - actually 5.91 light minutes - outside Earth's orbit but now Earth is getting closer every day. OSIRIS REx will collide with Earth September 22, 2017.
But NO! There will only be a flyby.

Anyway - to show that you are clever - what was/is the OSIRIS REx speeds (relative Sun and Earth) the first of every month since launch until flyby? It is basic orbital dynamics!
If you don't know what a hyberbolic orbit is then you only prove AGAIN that you don't understand orbital mechanics.  But at least you're staying on topic.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 05, 2017, 07:35:03 AM


(http://heiwaco.com/orex11.gif)

Note how OSIRIS REx was speeding away from Earth at high speed last September inside Earth's orbit around the Sun and how ISIRIS REx is now slowing down (!) in its strange orbit (trajectory!) now outside the Earth that is catching up from behind at constant speed. Earth and spacecraft OSIRIS REx will meet again in September. It is really MAGIC!
More proof from Heiwa that he doesn't understand orbital mechanics.

Well - let's test your understanding of orbital mechanics or dynamics. It seems planet Earth orbits the Sun at almost constant speed in an almost cirkel - green in the figure above. The 360° orbit Earth takes a year.

Spacecraft OSIRIS REx was launched from Earth orbiting the Sun on 8 September 2016 into an ellpitical or hyperbolic (!) orbit around the Sun - red in the figure above.
The Atlas V rocket launched OSIRIS-REx with a hyperbolic escape velocity (!) of 5.4 km/s (over 12,000 mph). In space, OSIRIS-REx perform a series of Deep Space Maneuvers, changing velocity by another 0.52 km/s (1,163 mph).
See - http://www.asteroidmission.org/mission/#cruise
After a year and two weeks orbiting (!) the sun, OSIRIS-REx will make a flyby of Earth. Earth's gravitational field will pull the spacecraft towards the planet Earth where it can "borrow" a small amount of Earth's orbital energy. This additional energy is used to increase OSIRIS-REx's orbital inclination and sling it back into space for a rendezvous with Bennu.
The flyby will take place September 22, 2017 and the spacecraft will reach Bennu November 2018. Bennu is an asteroid orbiting around the Sun in the blue elliptical orbit inclined to the Earth orbit.

Now, what kind of trajectory is OSIRIS REx doing? It took off from Earth heading towards the Sun on 8 September 2016 leaving Earth behind in a hyperbolic orbit inside Earth's orbit. What is a hyperbolic orbit? Ever heard of one? What is OSIRIS REx orbiting around? The Sun?
1 May 2017 OSIRIS REx is still far ahead of planet Earth - actually 5.91 light minutes - outside Earth's orbit but now Earth is getting closer every day. OSIRIS REx will collide with Earth September 22, 2017.
But NO! There will only be a flyby.

Anyway - to show that you are clever - what was/is the OSIRIS REx speeds (relative Sun and Earth) the first of every month since launch until flyby? It is basic orbital dynamics!
If you don't know what a hyberbolic orbit is then you only prove AGAIN that you don't understand orbital mechanics.  But at least you're staying on topic.
Just tell me the speeds of OSIRIS REx in its hyperbolic orbit the 1st of every months.
It seems that a spacecraft under standard assumptions traveling along a hyperbolic trajectory will coast to infinity, so I cannot understand how it can return to Earth after a year and two weeks?
Your clarifications will be highly appreciated.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: frenat on May 05, 2017, 07:42:33 AM


(http://heiwaco.com/orex11.gif)

Note how OSIRIS REx was speeding away from Earth at high speed last September inside Earth's orbit around the Sun and how ISIRIS REx is now slowing down (!) in its strange orbit (trajectory!) now outside the Earth that is catching up from behind at constant speed. Earth and spacecraft OSIRIS REx will meet again in September. It is really MAGIC!
More proof from Heiwa that he doesn't understand orbital mechanics.

Well - let's test your understanding of orbital mechanics or dynamics. It seems planet Earth orbits the Sun at almost constant speed in an almost cirkel - green in the figure above. The 360° orbit Earth takes a year.

Spacecraft OSIRIS REx was launched from Earth orbiting the Sun on 8 September 2016 into an ellpitical or hyperbolic (!) orbit around the Sun - red in the figure above.
The Atlas V rocket launched OSIRIS-REx with a hyperbolic escape velocity (!) of 5.4 km/s (over 12,000 mph). In space, OSIRIS-REx perform a series of Deep Space Maneuvers, changing velocity by another 0.52 km/s (1,163 mph).
See - http://www.asteroidmission.org/mission/#cruise
After a year and two weeks orbiting (!) the sun, OSIRIS-REx will make a flyby of Earth. Earth's gravitational field will pull the spacecraft towards the planet Earth where it can "borrow" a small amount of Earth's orbital energy. This additional energy is used to increase OSIRIS-REx's orbital inclination and sling it back into space for a rendezvous with Bennu.
The flyby will take place September 22, 2017 and the spacecraft will reach Bennu November 2018. Bennu is an asteroid orbiting around the Sun in the blue elliptical orbit inclined to the Earth orbit.

Now, what kind of trajectory is OSIRIS REx doing? It took off from Earth heading towards the Sun on 8 September 2016 leaving Earth behind in a hyperbolic orbit inside Earth's orbit. What is a hyperbolic orbit? Ever heard of one? What is OSIRIS REx orbiting around? The Sun?
1 May 2017 OSIRIS REx is still far ahead of planet Earth - actually 5.91 light minutes - outside Earth's orbit but now Earth is getting closer every day. OSIRIS REx will collide with Earth September 22, 2017.
But NO! There will only be a flyby.

Anyway - to show that you are clever - what was/is the OSIRIS REx speeds (relative Sun and Earth) the first of every month since launch until flyby? It is basic orbital dynamics!
If you don't know what a hyberbolic orbit is then you only prove AGAIN that you don't understand orbital mechanics.  But at least you're staying on topic.
Just tell me the speeds of OSIRIS REx in its hyperbolic orbit the 1st of every months.
It seems that a spacecraft under standard assumptions traveling along a hyperbolic trajectory will coast to infinity, so I cannot understand how it can return to Earth after a year and two weeks?
Your clarifications will be highly appreciated.
Why should I spend the time to do the work when you won't understand it, will deny it out of hand, and you will still only prove you don't understand orbital mechanics at all?  YOU are not worth my time.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 05, 2017, 09:12:47 AM

Just tell me the speeds of OSIRIS REx in its hyperbolic orbit the 1st of every months.
It seems that a spacecraft under standard assumptions traveling along a hyperbolic trajectory will coast to infinity, so I cannot understand how it can return to Earth after a year and two weeks?
Your clarifications will be highly appreciated.
Why should I spend the time to do the work when you won't understand it, will deny it out of hand, and you will still only prove you don't understand orbital mechanics at all?  YOU are not worth my time.

Well, it seems you cannot describe a hyperbolic orbit of OSIRIS REx spacecraft starting from Earth and ending at a flyby of Earth one year two weeks later. It confirms my understanding that the whole spacecraft and its trip is a hoax. Thanks!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: frenat on May 05, 2017, 09:50:39 AM

Just tell me the speeds of OSIRIS REx in its hyperbolic orbit the 1st of every months.
It seems that a spacecraft under standard assumptions traveling along a hyperbolic trajectory will coast to infinity, so I cannot understand how it can return to Earth after a year and two weeks?
Your clarifications will be highly appreciated.
Why should I spend the time to do the work when you won't understand it, will deny it out of hand, and you will still only prove you don't understand orbital mechanics at all?  YOU are not worth my time.

Well, it seems you cannot describe a hyperbolic orbit of OSIRIS REx spacecraft starting from Earth and ending at a flyby of Earth one year two weeks later. It confirms my understanding that the whole spacecraft and its trip is a hoax. Thanks!
What part of you are not worth my time do you not understand?
No, it seems I'm not your lackey that will do whatever you ask when it is clear you don't have the basic understanding to start with.  At least you're good for humor though!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 05, 2017, 10:13:25 AM

Just tell me the speeds of OSIRIS REx in its hyperbolic orbit the 1st of every months.
It seems that a spacecraft under standard assumptions traveling along a hyperbolic trajectory will coast to infinity, so I cannot understand how it can return to Earth after a year and two weeks?
Your clarifications will be highly appreciated.
Why should I spend the time to do the work when you won't understand it, will deny it out of hand, and you will still only prove you don't understand orbital mechanics at all?  YOU are not worth my time.

Well, it seems you cannot describe a hyperbolic orbit of OSIRIS REx spacecraft starting from Earth and ending at a flyby of Earth one year two weeks later. It confirms my understanding that the whole spacecraft and its trip is a hoax. Thanks!
What part of you are not worth my time do you not understand?
No, it seems I'm not your lackey that will do whatever you ask when it is clear you don't have the basic understanding to start with.  At least you're good for humor though!

Well, you said that the picture I posted of orbits around the was more proof from me that I don't understand orbital mechanics.

However, the picture is a fake. A spacecraft cannot move around the Sun as shown - start from Earth and then come back to Earth after one year two weeks. NASA suggests it is a hyperbolic orbit ... but it isn't. So the whole NASA OSIRIS REx project is a hoax!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: frenat on May 05, 2017, 10:31:02 AM

Just tell me the speeds of OSIRIS REx in its hyperbolic orbit the 1st of every months.
It seems that a spacecraft under standard assumptions traveling along a hyperbolic trajectory will coast to infinity, so I cannot understand how it can return to Earth after a year and two weeks?
Your clarifications will be highly appreciated.
Why should I spend the time to do the work when you won't understand it, will deny it out of hand, and you will still only prove you don't understand orbital mechanics at all?  YOU are not worth my time.

Well, it seems you cannot describe a hyperbolic orbit of OSIRIS REx spacecraft starting from Earth and ending at a flyby of Earth one year two weeks later. It confirms my understanding that the whole spacecraft and its trip is a hoax. Thanks!
What part of you are not worth my time do you not understand?
No, it seems I'm not your lackey that will do whatever you ask when it is clear you don't have the basic understanding to start with.  At least you're good for humor though!

Well, you said that the picture I posted of orbits around the was more proof from me that I don't understand orbital mechanics.

However, the picture is a fake. A spacecraft cannot move around the Sun as shown - start from Earth and then come back to Earth after one year two weeks. NASA suggests it is a hyperbolic orbit ... but it isn't. So the whole NASA OSIRIS REx project is a hoax!
Nope.  I said NOTHING about the picture you posted.  Thank you for proving that not only are you completely ignorant about orbital mechanics but that you are also incapable of reading.

You also provided no reference for your claim that NASA said it was on a hyberbolic orbit.  On the contrary, this is what I found
Quote
Its hyperbolic escape speed from Earth was about 5.41 km/s (3.36 mi/s). On 28 December 2016, the spacecraft successfully performed its first deep space maneuver (DSM-1) to change its velocity by 431 m/s (1,550 km/h; 960 mph) using 354 kg (780 lb) of fuel. An additional, smaller firing of its thrusters on 18 January further refined its course for an Earth gravity assist in September 2017. The cruise phase will last until its encounter with Bennu in August 2018, after which it will enter its science and sample collection phase.
from here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSIRIS-REx
So thank you for FURTHER proving your ignorance.  Only as it left Earth was it on a hyberbolic trajectory which was modified on 28 December 2016 and thus was no longer hyperbolic.

So more LIES from Heiwa.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on May 05, 2017, 11:07:23 AM
Why not just show Kami where his maths is wrong?

It is nothing wrong with the maths. But it is only maths of instant speed increase and no calculations of associated fuel consumption. If you do that, you will find that you are too heavy to get off the ground to start with. I though I explained that in Reply #1 of this thread.
No, you just claim it.  You show nothing to support.  Which is all you ever do.  Make claims you cannot back up.
?? No, I show that there are no calculations of fuel consumption, only calculations of speed changes. Read again my Reply #1! But you cannot change speed without using fuel.
And the amount of fuel required for any manned space trip is so large that ... you never get off the ground. It is basic rocket science. It is not even basic orbital mechanics - topic.
Great, show us the math proves you have to carry so much fuel you can't launch.

Just study http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm , copy paste what you do not understand and I will explain why you do not understand.
Arianespace need plenty of fuel just to launch a small satellite into orbit 2017. NASA 50 years earlier launched 10 times heavier satellites/spacecraft using less fuel.
So NASA faked it 1969.
Actually they were told to fake. The public then didn't understand anything anyway.
Isn't it funny? We were fooled 1969 with asstronuts on the Moon.
Again, show us the proof.  No I'm not studying your idiotic website.  Paste the relevant proof here or admit you are just a liar.
Show us your proof, don't just make more empty claims.
Because really that's all you have, empty claims.  You say you have proof on your website but just claiming, but that's impossible, is not proof, and we both know that's all you have.
Show us your evidence here.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 05, 2017, 11:18:03 AM
Why not just show Kami where his maths is wrong?

It is nothing wrong with the maths. But it is only maths of instant speed increase and no calculations of associated fuel consumption. If you do that, you will find that you are too heavy to get off the ground to start with. I though I explained that in Reply #1 of this thread.
No, you just claim it.  You show nothing to support.  Which is all you ever do.  Make claims you cannot back up.
?? No, I show that there are no calculations of fuel consumption, only calculations of speed changes. Read again my Reply #1! But you cannot change speed without using fuel.
And the amount of fuel required for any manned space trip is so large that ... you never get off the ground. It is basic rocket science. It is not even basic orbital mechanics - topic.
Great, show us the math proves you have to carry so much fuel you can't launch.

Just study http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm , copy paste what you do not understand and I will explain why you do not understand.
Arianespace need plenty of fuel just to launch a small satellite into orbit 2017. NASA 50 years earlier launched 10 times heavier satellites/spacecraft using less fuel.
So NASA faked it 1969.
Actually they were told to fake. The public then didn't understand anything anyway.
Isn't it funny? We were fooled 1969 with asstronuts on the Moon.
Again, show us the proof.  No I'm not studying your idiotic website.  Paste the relevant proof here or admit you are just a liar.
Show us your proof, don't just make more empty claims.
Because really that's all you have, empty claims.  You say you have proof on your website but just claiming, but that's impossible, is not proof, and we both know that's all you have.
Show us your evidence here.
Well, you really have to study http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm for my solid evidence that most NASA activites are fake! No humans in space, no space crafts visiting the solar system, etc. Only one way satellite launches to orbit Earth are possible.
Why would I publish empty claims at my website? Ever heard of Fake News? Propaganda? Most NASA space info is like it. You have been fooled by NASA since it was created 1958. Soon 60 years! Main Stream Media are part of the hoax.
It is so easy because the public doesn't understand anything!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on May 05, 2017, 12:02:40 PM
Why not just show Kami where his maths is wrong?

It is nothing wrong with the maths. But it is only maths of instant speed increase and no calculations of associated fuel consumption. If you do that, you will find that you are too heavy to get off the ground to start with. I though I explained that in Reply #1 of this thread.
No, you just claim it.  You show nothing to support.  Which is all you ever do.  Make claims you cannot back up.
?? No, I show that there are no calculations of fuel consumption, only calculations of speed changes. Read again my Reply #1! But you cannot change speed without using fuel.
And the amount of fuel required for any manned space trip is so large that ... you never get off the ground. It is basic rocket science. It is not even basic orbital mechanics - topic.
Great, show us the math proves you have to carry so much fuel you can't launch.

Just study http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm , copy paste what you do not understand and I will explain why you do not understand.
Arianespace need plenty of fuel just to launch a small satellite into orbit 2017. NASA 50 years earlier launched 10 times heavier satellites/spacecraft using less fuel.
So NASA faked it 1969.
Actually they were told to fake. The public then didn't understand anything anyway.
Isn't it funny? We were fooled 1969 with asstronuts on the Moon.
Again, show us the proof.  No I'm not studying your idiotic website.  Paste the relevant proof here or admit you are just a liar.
Show us your proof, don't just make more empty claims.
Because really that's all you have, empty claims.  You say you have proof on your website but just claiming, but that's impossible, is not proof, and we both know that's all you have.
Show us your evidence here.
Well, you really have to study http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm for my solid evidence that most NASA activites are fake! No humans in space, no space crafts visiting the solar system, etc. Only one way satellite launches to orbit Earth are possible.
Why would I publish empty claims at my website? Ever heard of Fake News? Propaganda? Most NASA space info is like it. You have been fooled by NASA since it was created 1958. Soon 60 years! Main Stream Media are part of the hoax.
It is so easy because the public doesn't understand anything!
And once again you fail to support your claims.  It's kind of pathetic really.
You are making the claims here, support them here or go away.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 05, 2017, 05:48:00 PM

And once again you fail to support your claims.  It's kind of pathetic really.
You are making the claims here, support them here or go away.

? But this OSIRIS REx spacecraft is a hoax! I publish in this thread a NASA picture of its hyperbolic trajectory around the Sun and explain why a spacecraft cannot fly in a hyperbolic trajectory and some twerps suggest I do not understand orbital mechanics.
The NASA spacecraft was launched by some Mickey Mouse rocket that gave it a hyperbolic escape speed of 5.41 km/s, when everyone knows incl. kami that you need much more speed just to reach the Moon. But this NASA spacecraft orbits the Sun and will return to Earth after a year and two weeks for a flyby. It is of course ridiculous. 
I describe many other, similar NASA hoaxes at my website and I have plenty visitors. And nobody shows I am wrong.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on May 05, 2017, 06:22:38 PM
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Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on May 06, 2017, 12:23:18 AM
Well, you really have to study http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm for my solid evidence that most NASA activites are fake! No humans in space, no space crafts visiting the solar system, etc. Only one way satellite launches to orbit Earth are possible.
Why would I publish empty claims at my website? Ever heard of Fake News? Propaganda? Most NASA space info is like it. You have been fooled by NASA since it was created 1958. Soon 60 years! Main Stream Media are part of the hoax.
It is so easy because the public doesn't understand anything!

Wow! It's a great thing that you understand it then! Are you, by any chance, really really smart?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on May 06, 2017, 12:28:41 AM
Well, you really have to study http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm for my solid evidence that most NASA activites are fake! No humans in space, no space crafts visiting the solar system, etc. Only one way satellite launches to orbit Earth are possible.
Why would I publish empty claims at my website? Ever heard of Fake News? Propaganda? Most NASA space info is like it. You have been fooled by NASA since it was created 1958. Soon 60 years! Main Stream Media are part of the hoax.
It is so easy because the public doesn't understand anything!

Wow! It's a great thing that you understand it then! Are you, by any chance, really really smart?

Depends what we're comparing to. I would say he's marginally smarter than the picture I posted. But compared to Papa Legba he is probably really smart.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 06, 2017, 12:53:25 AM
Well, you really have to study http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm for my solid evidence that most NASA activites are fake! No humans in space, no space crafts visiting the solar system, etc. Only one way satellite launches to orbit Earth are possible.
Why would I publish empty claims at my website? Ever heard of Fake News? Propaganda? Most NASA space info is like it. You have been fooled by NASA since it was created 1958. Soon 60 years! Main Stream Media are part of the hoax.
It is so easy because the public doesn't understand anything!

Wow! It's a great thing that you understand it then! Are you, by any chance, really really smart?

It helps. Plus some luck. Being strong and handsome is another advantage.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on May 06, 2017, 01:02:28 AM
Well, you really have to study http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm for my solid evidence that most NASA activites are fake! No humans in space, no space crafts visiting the solar system, etc. Only one way satellite launches to orbit Earth are possible.
Why would I publish empty claims at my website? Ever heard of Fake News? Propaganda? Most NASA space info is like it. You have been fooled by NASA since it was created 1958. Soon 60 years! Main Stream Media are part of the hoax.
It is so easy because the public doesn't understand anything!

Wow! It's a great thing that you understand it then! Are you, by any chance, really really smart?

It helps. Plus some luck. Being strong and handsome is another advantage.

How's your ability to detect sarcasm?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on May 06, 2017, 01:36:18 AM
Well, you really have to study http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm for my solid evidence that most NASA activites are fake! No humans in space, no space crafts visiting the solar system, etc. Only one way satellite launches to orbit Earth are possible.
Why would I publish empty claims at my website? Ever heard of Fake News? Propaganda? Most NASA space info is like it. You have been fooled by NASA since it was created 1958. Soon 60 years! Main Stream Media are part of the hoax.
It is so easy because the public doesn't understand anything!

Wow! It's a great thing that you understand it then! Are you, by any chance, really really smart?

It helps. Plus some luck. Being strong and handsome is another advantage.

How's your ability to detect sarcasm?

To be fair, his post did seem a bit like a joke.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Kami on May 06, 2017, 02:32:37 AM

Just tell me the speeds of OSIRIS REx in its hyperbolic orbit the 1st of every months.
It seems that a spacecraft under standard assumptions traveling along a hyperbolic trajectory will coast to infinity, so I cannot understand how it can return to Earth after a year and two weeks?
Your clarifications will be highly appreciated.
Why should I spend the time to do the work when you won't understand it, will deny it out of hand, and you will still only prove you don't understand orbital mechanics at all?  YOU are not worth my time.

Well, it seems you cannot describe a hyperbolic orbit of OSIRIS REx spacecraft starting from Earth and ending at a flyby of Earth one year two weeks later. It confirms my understanding that the whole spacecraft and its trip is a hoax. Thanks!
I do not understand what you want. Do you want me to describe the accurate path of the spacecraft, subject to the gravitational influence of the sun, the planets and several larger asteroids? I am not able to do that - a team of NASA scientists has worked months to develop this orbit, you can not expect some random guy on a conspiracy forum to reproduce this work.

If you want to understand the basic principles of orbital mechanics (different types of orbits, maneuvers, gravity assists etc.), just say so and I will try to explain them as simple as possible. I could thus also describe this orbit, however I could not calculate the accurate fuel consumption.



Re: Your first answer: Indeed, I did not calculate the necessary fuel consumption. For this an engine type and the mass of the payload needs to be specified. I told you however how it is possible, namely by using the famous rocket equation.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Kami on May 06, 2017, 02:36:45 AM

And once again you fail to support your claims.  It's kind of pathetic really.
You are making the claims here, support them here or go away.

? But this OSIRIS REx spacecraft is a hoax! I publish in this thread a NASA picture of its hyperbolic trajectory around the Sun and explain why a spacecraft cannot fly in a hyperbolic trajectory and some twerps suggest I do not understand orbital mechanics.
The NASA spacecraft was launched by some Mickey Mouse rocket that gave it a hyperbolic escape speed of 5.41 km/s, when everyone knows incl. kami that you need much more speed just to reach the Moon. But this NASA spacecraft orbits the Sun and will return to Earth after a year and two weeks for a flyby. It is of course ridiculous. 
I describe many other, similar NASA hoaxes at my website and I have plenty visitors. And nobody shows I am wrong.
Would you please don't lie about me? Keep lying about your website all you want but I never said that 5.41km/s is not enough to reach the moon. I actually calculated it - in this thread - to be about 3.13km/s.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: frenat on May 06, 2017, 06:40:41 AM
Well, you really have to study http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm for my solid evidence that most NASA activites are fake! No humans in space, no space crafts visiting the solar system, etc. Only one way satellite launches to orbit Earth are possible.
Why would I publish empty claims at my website? Ever heard of Fake News? Propaganda? Most NASA space info is like it. You have been fooled by NASA since it was created 1958. Soon 60 years! Main Stream Media are part of the hoax.
It is so easy because the public doesn't understand anything!

Wow! It's a great thing that you understand it then! Are you, by any chance, really really smart?

It helps. Plus some luck. Being strong and handsome is another advantage.
And heiwa proves he doesn't understand sarcasm.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on May 06, 2017, 06:57:44 AM

And once again you fail to support your claims.  It's kind of pathetic really.
You are making the claims here, support them here or go away.

? But this OSIRIS REx spacecraft is a hoax! I publish in this thread a NASA picture of its hyperbolic trajectory around the Sun and explain why a spacecraft cannot fly in a hyperbolic trajectory and some twerps suggest I do not understand orbital mechanics.
The NASA spacecraft was launched by some Mickey Mouse rocket that gave it a hyperbolic escape speed of 5.41 km/s, when everyone knows incl. kami that you need much more speed just to reach the Moon. But this NASA spacecraft orbits the Sun and will return to Earth after a year and two weeks for a flyby. It is of course ridiculous. 
I describe many other, similar NASA hoaxes at my website and I have plenty visitors. And nobody shows I am wrong.
Again you make claims with no support.  Surprise, another fail.  Show us your evidence.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on May 06, 2017, 09:05:30 AM
Well, you really have to study http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm for my solid evidence that most NASA activites are fake! No humans in space, no space crafts visiting the solar system, etc. Only one way satellite launches to orbit Earth are possible.
Why would I publish empty claims at my website? Ever heard of Fake News? Propaganda? Most NASA space info is like it. You have been fooled by NASA since it was created 1958. Soon 60 years! Main Stream Media are part of the hoax.
It is so easy because the public doesn't understand anything!

Wow! It's a great thing that you understand it then! Are you, by any chance, really really smart?

It helps. Plus some luck. Being strong and handsome is another advantage.

How's your ability to detect sarcasm?

To be fair, his post did seem a bit like a joke.

Which we all realize but I don't think he does.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 06, 2017, 10:17:14 AM

And once again you fail to support your claims.  It's kind of pathetic really.
You are making the claims here, support them here or go away.

? But this OSIRIS REx spacecraft is a hoax! I publish in this thread a NASA picture of its hyperbolic trajectory around the Sun and explain why a spacecraft cannot fly in a hyperbolic trajectory and some twerps suggest I do not understand orbital mechanics.
The NASA spacecraft was launched by some Mickey Mouse rocket that gave it a hyperbolic escape speed of 5.41 km/s, when everyone knows incl. kami that you need much more speed just to reach the Moon. But this NASA spacecraft orbits the Sun and will return to Earth after a year and two weeks for a flyby. It is of course ridiculous. 
I describe many other, similar NASA hoaxes at my website and I have plenty visitors. And nobody shows I am wrong.
Would you please don't lie about me? Keep lying about your website all you want but I never said that 5.41km/s is not enough to reach the moon. I actually calculated it - in this thread - to be about 3.13km/s.

Yes, but 3.13 km/s was just the extra velocity added to your spacecraft's velocity in orbit to get to the Moon. And you forgot to tell me the fuel required to speed up.

And why do you suggest that I lie, like all other annonymous twirps in this thread? Why would I lie? I put all my info on my web site with a photo of me + full style for contact, comments, etc. I exist. I am alive. I am real.

Why would I lie here?

Have you got a real name?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Denspressure on May 06, 2017, 06:28:54 PM
Hey Heiwa, want to cuddle like last time?

I posted a photo of us two on this forum. If you have not already seen it... I think you will like it.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on May 07, 2017, 03:24:09 AM

And once again you fail to support your claims.  It's kind of pathetic really.
You are making the claims here, support them here or go away.

? But this OSIRIS REx spacecraft is a hoax! I publish in this thread a NASA picture of its hyperbolic trajectory around the Sun and explain why a spacecraft cannot fly in a hyperbolic trajectory and some twerps suggest I do not understand orbital mechanics.
The NASA spacecraft was launched by some Mickey Mouse rocket that gave it a hyperbolic escape speed of 5.41 km/s, when everyone knows incl. kami that you need much more speed just to reach the Moon. But this NASA spacecraft orbits the Sun and will return to Earth after a year and two weeks for a flyby. It is of course ridiculous. 
I describe many other, similar NASA hoaxes at my website and I have plenty visitors. And nobody shows I am wrong.
Would you please don't lie about me? Keep lying about your website all you want but I never said that 5.41km/s is not enough to reach the moon. I actually calculated it - in this thread - to be about 3.13km/s.

Yes, but 3.13 km/s was just the extra velocity added to your spacecraft's velocity in orbit to get to the Moon. And you forgot to tell me the fuel required to speed up.

And why do you suggest that I lie, like all other annonymous twirps in this thread? Why would I lie? I put all my info on my web site with a photo of me + full style for contact, comments, etc. I exist. I am alive. I am real.

Why would I lie here?

Have you got a real name?
What a surprise, you still fail to post any evidence to support your claims.  Proving once again you are a liar and a fake.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 07, 2017, 03:41:47 AM

And once again you fail to support your claims.  It's kind of pathetic really.
You are making the claims here, support them here or go away.

? But this OSIRIS REx spacecraft is a hoax! I publish in this thread a NASA picture of its hyperbolic trajectory around the Sun and explain why a spacecraft cannot fly in a hyperbolic trajectory and some twerps suggest I do not understand orbital mechanics.
The NASA spacecraft was launched by some Mickey Mouse rocket that gave it a hyperbolic escape speed of 5.41 km/s, when everyone knows incl. kami that you need much more speed just to reach the Moon. But this NASA spacecraft orbits the Sun and will return to Earth after a year and two weeks for a flyby. It is of course ridiculous. 
I describe many other, similar NASA hoaxes at my website and I have plenty visitors. And nobody shows I am wrong.
Would you please don't lie about me? Keep lying about your website all you want but I never said that 5.41km/s is not enough to reach the moon. I actually calculated it - in this thread - to be about 3.13km/s.

Yes, but 3.13 km/s was just the extra velocity added to your spacecraft's velocity in orbit to get to the Moon. And you forgot to tell me the fuel required to speed up.

And why do you suggest that I lie, like all other annonymous twirps in this thread? Why would I lie? I put all my info on my web site with a photo of me + full style for contact, comments, etc. I exist. I am alive. I am real.

Why would I lie here?

Have you got a real name?
What a surprise, you still fail to post any evidence to support your claims.  Proving once again you are a liar and a fake.
No, I post all evidence to support my claims at http://heiwaco.com since twenty years and plenty anonymous twirps here and there post like you, out of the blue, that I am liar and a fake.
Why don't you develop your crazy ideas? Start by signing with a full style - name/address!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on May 07, 2017, 09:10:37 AM
Twirp!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 07, 2017, 09:24:04 AM
Twirp!
Nice, old English word with at least two meanings; contemptible person, silly fool.

Which one are you?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on May 07, 2017, 09:25:53 AM
Twirp!
Nice, old English word with at least two meanings; contemptible person, silly fool.

Which one are you?

You are the ultimate proof that it's possible to be both at once!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 07, 2017, 09:45:33 AM
Twirp!
Nice, old English word with at least two meanings; contemptible person, silly fool.

Which one are you?

You are the ultimate proof that it's possible to be both at once!

No, I am a nice guy - http://heiwaco.com/cv.htm - no secrets there - full style. Not a twirp hiding behind some invented bla, bla Boots. So who are you? A real name? Mother? Do you live anywhere? 
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on May 07, 2017, 09:49:19 AM
Telling us who you are doesn't make you a nice guy. You're definitely a twirp in every sense.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 07, 2017, 09:51:38 AM
Telling us who you are doesn't make you a nice guy. You're definitely a twirp in every sense.
No, I am real! But you? Name? Address? Mother? Do you exist? You sound like some robot.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on May 07, 2017, 10:19:56 AM
Telling us who you are doesn't make you a nice guy. You're definitely a twirp in every sense.
No, I am real! But you? Name? Address? Mother? Do you exist? You sound like some robot.

All real twirps are real people. Leave my mother out of this.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: frenat on May 07, 2017, 11:42:24 AM
Telling us who you are doesn't make you a nice guy. You're definitely a twirp in every sense.
No, I am real! But you? Name? Address? Mother? Do you exist? You sound like some robot.
I see heiwa is desperately trying to change the subject away from his lies, failings, and shortcomings again.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on May 07, 2017, 12:36:30 PM

And once again you fail to support your claims.  It's kind of pathetic really.
You are making the claims here, support them here or go away.

? But this OSIRIS REx spacecraft is a hoax! I publish in this thread a NASA picture of its hyperbolic trajectory around the Sun and explain why a spacecraft cannot fly in a hyperbolic trajectory and some twerps suggest I do not understand orbital mechanics.
The NASA spacecraft was launched by some Mickey Mouse rocket that gave it a hyperbolic escape speed of 5.41 km/s, when everyone knows incl. kami that you need much more speed just to reach the Moon. But this NASA spacecraft orbits the Sun and will return to Earth after a year and two weeks for a flyby. It is of course ridiculous. 
I describe many other, similar NASA hoaxes at my website and I have plenty visitors. And nobody shows I am wrong.
Would you please don't lie about me? Keep lying about your website all you want but I never said that 5.41km/s is not enough to reach the moon. I actually calculated it - in this thread - to be about 3.13km/s.

Yes, but 3.13 km/s was just the extra velocity added to your spacecraft's velocity in orbit to get to the Moon. And you forgot to tell me the fuel required to speed up.

And why do you suggest that I lie, like all other annonymous twirps in this thread? Why would I lie? I put all my info on my web site with a photo of me + full style for contact, comments, etc. I exist. I am alive. I am real.

Why would I lie here?

Have you got a real name?
What a surprise, you still fail to post any evidence to support your claims.  Proving once again you are a liar and a fake.
No, I post all evidence to support my claims at http://heiwaco.com since twenty years and plenty anonymous twirps here and there post like you, out of the blue, that I am liar and a fake.
Why don't you develop your crazy ideas? Start by signing with a full style - name/address!
And still no evidence.  Again, no surprise, you never post anything to support your insane claims.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 07, 2017, 04:21:15 PM
The NAXA people faking the space trips, hyperbolic trajectories and gravity assisted sling shots meet at regular intervals to celebrate their success at the RNAXA Space Awards Gala 2017. What a miserable lot!



ROTFL

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on May 07, 2017, 06:38:16 PM
ROTFL

So are the rest of us, believe me! For slightly different reasons.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on May 08, 2017, 06:05:57 AM
The NAXA people faking the space trips, hyperbolic trajectories and gravity assisted sling shots meet at regular intervals to celebrate their success at the RNAXA Space Awards Gala 2017. What a miserable lot!



ROTFL
Oh look, another post with no evidence.  Just admit you are a liar and a fake
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on May 08, 2017, 06:16:09 AM
The NAXA people faking the space trips, hyperbolic trajectories and gravity assisted sling shots meet at regular intervals to celebrate their success at the RNAXA Space Awards Gala 2017. What a miserable lot!

Ummm...  You do understand that RNASA is a part of the Rotary Club, not the US government, don't you?
Quote from: http://www.rnasa.org/
The Rotary National Award for Space Achievement (RNASA) Foundation was founded by the Space Center Rotary Club of Houston, Texas in 1985 to organize and coordinate an annual event to recognize outstanding achievements in space and create greater public awareness of the benefits of space exploration. Each year since 1987, the Foundation has presented the National Space Trophy and other awards honoring those who have contributed to our nation's space program at a gala event in April in Houston, Texas.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 08, 2017, 09:01:25 AM
The NAXA people faking the space trips, hyperbolic trajectories and gravity assisted sling shots meet at regular intervals to celebrate their success at the RNAXA Space Awards Gala 2017. What a miserable lot!

Ummm...  You do understand that RNASA is a part of the Rotary Club, not the US government, don't you?
Quote from: http://www.rnasa.org/
The Rotary National Award for Space Achievement (RNASA) Foundation was founded by the Space Center Rotary Club of Houston, Texas in 1985 to organize and coordinate an annual event to recognize outstanding achievements in space and create greater public awareness of the benefits of space exploration. Each year since 1987, the Foundation has presented the National Space Trophy and other awards honoring those who have contributed to our nation's space program at a gala event in April in Houston, Texas.

Yes - isn't it ridiculous? All space achievements are paid for by taxpayers and 100% fake and produced/invented on Earth with nobody in space. Just the usual magic nonsense. And these clowns give awards to each other. Disgusting.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on May 08, 2017, 09:42:25 AM
Yes - isn't it ridiculous? All space achievements are paid for by taxpayers and 100% fake and produced/invented on Earth with nobody in space. Just the usual magic nonsense. And these clowns give awards to each other. Disgusting.
Make up your mind, will you?

Either all space achievements are 100% fake or commercial satellites are real.  You can't have it both ways.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 08, 2017, 10:09:53 AM
Yes - isn't it ridiculous? All space achievements are paid for by taxpayers and 100% fake and produced/invented on Earth with nobody in space. Just the usual magic nonsense. And these clowns give awards to each other. Disgusting.
Make up your mind, will you?

Either all space achievements are 100% fake or commercial satellites are real.  You can't have it both ways.

No, you are wrong as usual like most anonymous twirps at this forum.

Commercial satellites are real, e.g. Arianespace sending them one way into orbits all the time. Just ask them!

The rest (NASA, ESA, SpaceX, bla, bla) is 100% fake. I explain it all at http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm .

I pay anyone €1M showing I am wrong at http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm .
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on May 08, 2017, 10:23:19 AM
Yes - isn't it ridiculous? All space achievements are paid for by taxpayers and 100% fake and produced/invented on Earth with nobody in space. Just the usual magic nonsense. And these clowns give awards to each other. Disgusting.
Make up your mind, will you?

Either all space achievements are 100% fake or commercial satellites are real.  You can't have it both ways.

No, you are wrong as usual like most anonymous twirps at this forum.

Commercial satellites are real, e.g. Arianespace sending them one way into orbits all the time. Just ask them!

The rest (NASA, ESA, SpaceX, bla, bla) is 100% fake. I explain it all at http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm .

I pay anyone €1M showing I am wrong at http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm .
All of those "100% fake achievements" build on the initial achievement of unmanned satellite launches.

Just because you aren't smart enough to figure out how hyperbolic trajectories or atmospheric reentry work, that doesn't mean that they're impossible.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 08, 2017, 10:39:13 AM
Yes - isn't it ridiculous? All space achievements are paid for by taxpayers and 100% fake and produced/invented on Earth with nobody in space. Just the usual magic nonsense. And these clowns give awards to each other. Disgusting.
Make up your mind, will you?

Either all space achievements are 100% fake or commercial satellites are real.  You can't have it both ways.

No, you are wrong as usual like most anonymous twirps at this forum.

Commercial satellites are real, e.g. Arianespace sending them one way into orbits all the time. Just ask them!

The rest (NASA, ESA, SpaceX, bla, bla) is 100% fake. I explain it all at http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm .

I pay anyone €1M showing I am wrong at http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm .
All of those "100% fake achievements" build on the initial achievement of unmanned satellite launches.

Just because you aren't smart enough to figure out how hyperbolic trajectories or atmospheric reentry work, that doesn't mean that they're impossible.
Well, you, an anonymous twirp, always tells me that I am not smart, bla, bla, and I offer you €1M to prove it and ... ? You just moan and groan like a retired NASA faker. Just carry on! Haven't you got a contract to fulfill, to do it?
Disgusting. Slave contract. White slaves! 2017!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on May 08, 2017, 12:11:23 PM
The NAXA people faking the space trips, hyperbolic trajectories and gravity assisted sling shots meet at regular intervals to celebrate their success at the RNAXA Space Awards Gala 2017. What a miserable lot!

Ummm...  You do understand that RNASA is a part of the Rotary Club, not the US government, don't you?
Quote from: http://www.rnasa.org/
The Rotary National Award for Space Achievement (RNASA) Foundation was founded by the Space Center Rotary Club of Houston, Texas in 1985 to organize and coordinate an annual event to recognize outstanding achievements in space and create greater public awareness of the benefits of space exploration. Each year since 1987, the Foundation has presented the National Space Trophy and other awards honoring those who have contributed to our nation's space program at a gala event in April in Houston, Texas.

Yes - isn't it ridiculous? All space achievements are paid for by taxpayers and 100% fake and produced/invented on Earth with nobody in space. Just the usual magic nonsense. And these clowns give awards to each other. Disgusting.
Prove it's fake.  Oh wait, you never back up your statements here.  Yet another failure
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Denspressure on May 08, 2017, 12:23:03 PM
Heiwa, I will give you 16 dollars if you post a picture of yourself on this forum naked.

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 08, 2017, 12:46:00 PM
All space achievements are paid for by taxpayers

EVERYTHING is funded by taxpayers, dork.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on May 08, 2017, 01:12:00 PM
Yes - isn't it ridiculous? All space achievements are paid for by taxpayers and 100% fake and produced/invented on Earth with nobody in space. Just the usual magic nonsense. And these clowns give awards to each other. Disgusting.
Make up your mind, will you?

Either all space achievements are 100% fake or commercial satellites are real.  You can't have it both ways.

No, you are wrong as usual like most anonymous twirps at this forum.

Commercial satellites are real, e.g. Arianespace sending them one way into orbits all the time. Just ask them!

The rest (NASA, ESA, SpaceX, bla, bla) is 100% fake. I explain it all at <snipped obviously> .

I pay anyone €1M showing I am wrong at <snipped obviously> .

I pay you €1M to show that you're right.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 08, 2017, 01:16:48 PM

I pay anyone €1M showing I am wrong . . .



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Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on May 08, 2017, 01:25:29 PM
No, you are wrong as usual like most anonymous twirps at this forum.

So far it's the non-anonymous twirp who appears to be wrong most of the time!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on May 08, 2017, 03:34:28 PM
Yes - isn't it ridiculous? All space achievements are paid for by taxpayers and 100% fake and produced/invented on Earth with nobody in space. Just the usual magic nonsense. And these clowns give awards to each other. Disgusting.
Make up your mind, will you?

Either all space achievements are 100% fake or commercial satellites are real.  You can't have it both ways.

No, you are wrong as usual like most anonymous twirps at this forum.

Commercial satellites are real, e.g. Arianespace sending them one way into orbits all the time. Just ask them!

The rest (NASA, ESA, SpaceX, bla, bla) is 100% fake. I explain it all at http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm .

I pay anyone €1M showing I am wrong at http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm .
All of those "100% fake achievements" build on the initial achievement of unmanned satellite launches.

Just because you aren't smart enough to figure out how hyperbolic trajectories or atmospheric reentry work, that doesn't mean that they're impossible.
Well, you, an anonymous twirp, always tells me that I am not smart, bla, bla, and I offer you €1M to prove it and ... ? You just moan and groan like a retired NASA faker. Just carry on! Haven't you got a contract to fulfill, to do it?
Disgusting. Slave contract. White slaves! 2017!
I'm sorry, but it's hard to have a productive discussion when you go off on these rants that make you sound like a confused, angry old man.

I never claimed to an engineer of any kind, but you have.  I have posted a link to a textbook called Orbital Mechanics for Engineering Students (https://edisciplinas.usp.br/pluginfile.php/66104/mod_resource/content/1/OrbitalMechanicsForEngineeringStudents-AerospaceEngineering.pdf) showing how to calculate various orbits.  I have posted links to other textbooks describing atmospheric reentry and calculating interplanetary trajectories. 

Why you insist that these things are impossible when it's plain that the science of how to do so is readily available continues to baffle me.

Anders, I'm not the least bit interested in your money or your "challenges".  I'd much rather you spend some of that money on a few textbooks that show you how to do what you claim can't be done.  I still have a hard time believing that a distinguished engineer as yourself would let someone telling you that a task is impossible stop you from finding a clever solution.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 08, 2017, 03:39:29 PM

I still have a hard time believing that a distinguished engineer as yourself would let someone telling you that a task is impossible stop you from finding a clever solution.



An engineer always starts out with a belief that the task is impossible. (http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/lol-049.gif) (http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/facebook-smileys.html)
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 08, 2017, 05:27:46 PM
Yes - isn't it ridiculous? All space achievements are paid for by taxpayers and 100% fake and produced/invented on Earth with nobody in space. Just the usual magic nonsense. And these clowns give awards to each other. Disgusting.
Make up your mind, will you?

Either all space achievements are 100% fake or commercial satellites are real.  You can't have it both ways.

No, you are wrong as usual like most anonymous twirps at this forum.

Commercial satellites are real, e.g. Arianespace sending them one way into orbits all the time. Just ask them!

The rest (NASA, ESA, SpaceX, bla, bla) is 100% fake. I explain it all at http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm .

I pay anyone €1M showing I am wrong at http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm .
All of those "100% fake achievements" build on the initial achievement of unmanned satellite launches.

Just because you aren't smart enough to figure out how hyperbolic trajectories or atmospheric reentry work, that doesn't mean that they're impossible.
Well, you, an anonymous twirp, always tells me that I am not smart, bla, bla, and I offer you €1M to prove it and ... ? You just moan and groan like a retired NASA faker. Just carry on! Haven't you got a contract to fulfill, to do it?
Disgusting. Slave contract. White slaves! 2017!
I'm sorry, but it's hard to have a productive discussion when you go off on these rants that make you sound like a confused, angry old man.

I never claimed to an engineer of any kind, but you have.  I have posted a link to a textbook called Orbital Mechanics for Engineering Students (https://edisciplinas.usp.br/pluginfile.php/66104/mod_resource/content/1/OrbitalMechanicsForEngineeringStudents-AerospaceEngineering.pdf) showing how to calculate various orbits.  I have posted links to other textbooks describing atmospheric reentry and calculating interplanetary trajectories. 

Why you insist that these things are impossible when it's plain that the science of how to do so is readily available continues to baffle me.

Anders, I'm not the least bit interested in your money or your "challenges".  I'd much rather you spend some of that money on a few textbooks that show you how to do what you claim can't be done.  I still have a hard time believing that a distinguished engineer as yourself would let someone telling you that a task is impossible stop you from finding a clever solution.
LOL. My simple Challenge is just to calculate the fuel required (kg) for some manned space trips and to show that you can lift it off the ground ... and you provide links to some stupid reports. And you don't even have a name.
The Challenge is also to describe the sanitary facilities provided. The humans aboard must be able to be clean and happy.
And what is shown? A little capsule with some seats inside. Hilarious. Not even toilet paper!
The impossible Challenge is of course the re-entry and landing. It is suggested that there is air at 120 000 m altitude and that it will provide friction and turbulence for landing. But there is no air at 120 000 m altitude with birds flying around in it. The air is 115 000 m further down. Please, grow up and do not support the criminal idiots at NASA and their Rotary friends with their prizes.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: disputeone on May 08, 2017, 05:29:45 PM
If I post proof of who I am, will you post proof of your prize fund.

Even a picture of say you with 50k in cash would help assure us you could pay in the event you decided someone won your challenge.

P.S I won your challenge #1

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=70589.0
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 08, 2017, 06:35:44 PM
If I post proof of who I am, will you post proof of your prize fund.

Even a picture of say you with 50k in cash would help assure us you could pay in the event you decided someone won your challenge.

P.S I won your challenge #1

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=70589.0 (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=70589.0)


There is no challenge. There is just a frustrated tard who enjoys yanking on dicks.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 08, 2017, 06:51:44 PM
If I post proof of who I am, will you post proof of your prize fund.

Even a picture of say you with 50k in cash would help assure us you could pay in the event you decided someone won your challenge.

P.S I won your challenge #1

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=70589.0 (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=70589.0)


There is no challenge. There is just a frustrated tard who enjoys yanking on dicks.

No - there are challenges - http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm . But no winners so far. Why do you get upset about it? You sound like a  tewwowist.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: disputeone on May 08, 2017, 07:10:20 PM
I won your challenge #1.

Edit.

Here is a quick example of a poster putting his money where his mouth is.

(http://i64.tinypic.com/178k69.jpg)20k.

It's really quite easy.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on May 08, 2017, 07:59:43 PM
LOL. My simple Challenge is just to calculate the fuel required (kg) for some manned space trips and to show that you can lift it off the ground ...
Then you owe NASA the Russian and Chinese space agencies a million euros, because they have obviously calculated the fuel required and demonstrated that the rockets can lift it off the ground as a part of multiple manned space trips.

... and you provide links to some stupid reports.
No, I provided links to text books that teach you how to calculate interplanetary trajectories and how to plan atmospheric reentry.

And you don't even have a name.
I have a name.  I simply choose not to share it here.  If you like, you can call me Mark.

The Challenge is also to describe the sanitary facilities provided. The humans aboard must be able to be clean and happy.
There are different standards of "clean and happy".  Just like early ships, early manned rockets aren't known for their luxury.

And what is shown? A little capsule with some seats inside. Hilarious. Not even toilet paper!
Do you have toilet paper on display in your business office?

The impossible Challenge is of course the re-entry and landing. It is suggested that there is air at 120 000 m altitude and that it will provide friction and turbulence for landing. But there is no air at 120 000 m altitude with birds flying around in it. The air is 115 000 m further down.
Of course there is air at 120 km, just not very much.  You do understand that air density gradually decreases as you go up, don't you?  That means that air density gradually increases as you go down.

To be sure, atmospheric reentry is a challenge, but it is a solvable one to those who understand the finer points of high speed aerodynamics.

Please, grow up and do not support the criminal idiots at NASA and their Rotary friends with their prizes.
Please lighten up and stop acting like a bitter old man.  There is simply no possible way that manned space flight could possibly be faked so many times by so many different agencies.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 08, 2017, 09:28:45 PM

The impossible Challenge is of course the re-entry and landing. It is suggested that there is air at 120 000 m altitude and that it will provide friction and turbulence for landing. But there is no air at 120 000 m altitude with birds flying around in it. The air is 115 000 m further down.
Of course there is air at 120 km, just not very much.  You do understand that air density gradually decreases as you go up, don't you?  That means that air density gradually increases as you go down.

To be sure, atmospheric reentry is a challenge, but it is a solvable one to those who understand the finer points of high speed aerodynamics.


Well, there is no air at 120 000 m altitude but there is thin air at 5000 m altitude making mountain climbing tiresome. Have you ever climbed a mountain? It is popular in Switzerland.
So using air friction/turbulence to stop a spacecraft at 120 000 m altitude doesn't work. Anyone knowing a little about high speed aerodynamics, like me, knows it. I actually describe it at my website. It is a pity you do not study it.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 08, 2017, 09:36:21 PM

Well, there is no air at 120 000 m altitude but there is thin air at 5000 m altitude making mountain climbing tiresome.



You know what else is tiresome? 
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 08, 2017, 09:38:15 PM


Please, grow up and do not support the criminal idiots at NASA and their Rotary friends with their prizes.
Please lighten up and stop acting like a bitter old man.  There is simply no possible way that manned space flight could possibly be faked so many times by so many different agencies.

Me bitter? Anyway, it is quite easy to fake manned landings! The asstronuts or kosmoskowboys always drop down in a capsule below parachutes in front of a reception squad (and brass band) in some remote area. Media is not allowed to attend. All is military secret. It is said the capsule has arrived from space hitting the atmosphere at 120 000 m altitude at great speed. 
However, the capsule/parachutes are simply dropped from a (military) plane at low altitude. It is not magic at all. It is an old trick. You are not very bright, are you? Ever heard of Gagarin? He was #1. A Hero of the Sovietunion! I describe his fake re-entry and landing at my website. He just jumped from a plane ... without capsule.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 08, 2017, 09:44:08 PM

Well, there is no air at 120 000 m altitude but there is thin air at 5000 m altitude making mountain climbing tiresome.



You know what else is tiresome?

No, tell me!

Anyway, it seems I am the topic and you do not have to discuss it, if you don't like it. You sound like a bitter, old man.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 08, 2017, 09:54:25 PM

Well, there is no air at 120 000 m altitude but there is thin air at 5000 m altitude making mountain climbing tiresome.


You know what else is tiresome?


No, tell me!




You.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 08, 2017, 10:15:09 PM

Well, there is no air at 120 000 m altitude but there is thin air at 5000 m altitude making mountain climbing tiresome.


You know what else is tiresome?


No, tell me!

You.

Are you sure? Anyway, there are plenty boring posts here by twirps explaining my lack of understanding, which I do not understand. What I understand, I present at my website downloaded 2 360 407 times. Very popular.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: disputeone on May 08, 2017, 10:42:49 PM
Stop ignoring my posts and pay me the prize for challenge #1.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=70589.0
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: onebigmonkey on May 08, 2017, 11:12:53 PM
The media not attending the return of spacecraft:







Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: disputeone on May 09, 2017, 12:56:24 AM
Edit.

I found a loophole in one of your challenges, I won, stop ignoring the fact. I archived your website as of my declaration of victory.

Also.



Then send it to me.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on May 09, 2017, 05:33:45 AM
Well, there is no air at 120 000 m altitude but there is thin air at 5000 m altitude making mountain climbing tiresome.
Then it's a good thing that spacecraft don't need to breathe.  ::)

So using air friction/turbulence to stop a spacecraft at 120 000 m altitude doesn't work.
???  Who said anything about stopping the spacecraft at 120 km?  At about 120 km, the process of slowing the spacecraft down begins.  The spacecraft doesn't stop until it touches down at zero m.

Anyone knowing a little about high speed aerodynamics, like me, knows it.
Well, they do say that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.  Maybe this text book can help you to learn more:
https://www.amazon.com/Dynamics-Atmospheric-Re-Entry-AIAA-Education/dp/1563470489
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on May 09, 2017, 06:38:07 AM
Yes - isn't it ridiculous? All space achievements are paid for by taxpayers and 100% fake and produced/invented on Earth with nobody in space. Just the usual magic nonsense. And these clowns give awards to each other. Disgusting.
Make up your mind, will you?

Either all space achievements are 100% fake or commercial satellites are real.  You can't have it both ways.

No, you are wrong as usual like most anonymous twirps at this forum.

Commercial satellites are real, e.g. Arianespace sending them one way into orbits all the time. Just ask them!

The rest (NASA, ESA, SpaceX, bla, bla) is 100% fake. I explain it all at http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm .

I pay anyone €1M showing I am wrong at http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm .
All of those "100% fake achievements" build on the initial achievement of unmanned satellite launches.

Just because you aren't smart enough to figure out how hyperbolic trajectories or atmospheric reentry work, that doesn't mean that they're impossible.
Well, you, an anonymous twirp, always tells me that I am not smart, bla, bla, and I offer you €1M to prove it and ... ? You just moan and groan like a retired NASA faker. Just carry on! Haven't you got a contract to fulfill, to do it?
Disgusting. Slave contract. White slaves! 2017!
I'm sorry, but it's hard to have a productive discussion when you go off on these rants that make you sound like a confused, angry old man.

I never claimed to an engineer of any kind, but you have.  I have posted a link to a textbook called Orbital Mechanics for Engineering Students (https://edisciplinas.usp.br/pluginfile.php/66104/mod_resource/content/1/OrbitalMechanicsForEngineeringStudents-AerospaceEngineering.pdf) showing how to calculate various orbits.  I have posted links to other textbooks describing atmospheric reentry and calculating interplanetary trajectories. 

Why you insist that these things are impossible when it's plain that the science of how to do so is readily available continues to baffle me.

Anders, I'm not the least bit interested in your money or your "challenges".  I'd much rather you spend some of that money on a few textbooks that show you how to do what you claim can't be done.  I still have a hard time believing that a distinguished engineer as yourself would let someone telling you that a task is impossible stop you from finding a clever solution.
LOL. My simple Challenge is just to calculate the fuel required (kg) for some manned space trips and to show that you can lift it off the ground ... and you provide links to some stupid reports. And you don't even have a name.
The Challenge is also to describe the sanitary facilities provided. The humans aboard must be able to be clean and happy.
And what is shown? A little capsule with some seats inside. Hilarious. Not even toilet paper!
The impossible Challenge is of course the re-entry and landing. It is suggested that there is air at 120 000 m altitude and that it will provide friction and turbulence for landing. But there is no air at 120 000 m altitude with birds flying around in it. The air is 115 000 m further down. Please, grow up and do not support the criminal idiots at NASA and their Rotary friends with their prizes.
Show your evidence that those reports are wrong.  I have posted links that answered both those questions.  You ignore them.  You run away saying it's impossible.  Of course you never show any evidence as to why it's impossible.  As always, you fail.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on May 09, 2017, 02:53:24 PM
Heiwa, I don't understand how my car works. There's no way that my engine creates controlled explosions to move the pistons to make my car move. According to your insane logic, since I don't understand how car engines work then it is impossible for my car to move when I press the gas pedal. I don't completely understand how this computer I'm typing on works so I guess this is impossible also. You are an insult to every one of the thousands of NASA and other space agency's scientists who dedicate their lives to the exploration of space.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on May 09, 2017, 03:28:47 PM

LOL. My simple Fraudulent Joke is just to calculate the fuel required (kg) for some manned space trips and to show that you can lift it off the ground ... and you provide links to some stupid reports. And you don't even have a name.
The Fraudulent Joke is also to describe the sanitary facilities provided. The humans aboard must be able to be clean and happy.
And what is shown? A little capsule with some seats inside. Hilarious. Not even toilet paper!
The impossible Fraudulent Joke is of course the re-entry and landing. It is suggested that there is air at 120 000 m altitude and that it will provide friction and turbulence for landing. But there is no air at 120 000 m altitude with birds flying around in it. The air is 115 000 m further down. Please, grow up and do not support the criminal idiots at NASA and their Rotary friends with their prizes.
Show your evidence that those reports are wrong.  I have posted links that answered both those questions.  You ignore them.  You run away saying it's impossible.  Of course you never show any evidence as to why it's impossible.  As always, you fail.
He will come back in a day or a week and try to pretend that posts like this were never posted.

He is not joking when he calls us idiots, it's clear he thinks we are.

Hewia, you can try to act like your Fraudulent Joke has never been won and your questions have never been answered, but we have been here the whole time and we know.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Kami on May 10, 2017, 02:13:17 AM

LOL. My simple Fraudulent Joke is just to calculate the fuel required (kg) for some manned space trips and to show that you can lift it off the ground ... and you provide links to some stupid reports. And you don't even have a name.
The Fraudulent Joke is also to describe the sanitary facilities provided. The humans aboard must be able to be clean and happy.
And what is shown? A little capsule with some seats inside. Hilarious. Not even toilet paper!
The impossible Fraudulent Joke is of course the re-entry and landing. It is suggested that there is air at 120 000 m altitude and that it will provide friction and turbulence for landing. But there is no air at 120 000 m altitude with birds flying around in it. The air is 115 000 m further down. Please, grow up and do not support the criminal idiots at NASA and their Rotary friends with their prizes.
Show your evidence that those reports are wrong.  I have posted links that answered both those questions.  You ignore them.  You run away saying it's impossible.  Of course you never show any evidence as to why it's impossible.  As always, you fail.
He will come back in a day or a week and try to pretend that posts like this were never posted.

He is not joking when he calls us idiots, it's clear he thinks we are.

Hewia, you can try to act like your Fraudulent Joke has never been won and your questions have never been answered, but we have been here the whole time and we know.
You seem to be quite good at predicting heiwas behaviour. Plus you issure challenges. Suspicious....  >:(
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on May 10, 2017, 02:28:44 AM

LOL. My simple Fraudulent Joke is just to calculate the fuel required (kg) for some manned space trips and to show that you can lift it off the ground ... and you provide links to some stupid reports. And you don't even have a name.
The Fraudulent Joke is also to describe the sanitary facilities provided. The humans aboard must be able to be clean and happy.
And what is shown? A little capsule with some seats inside. Hilarious. Not even toilet paper!
The impossible Fraudulent Joke is of course the re-entry and landing. It is suggested that there is air at 120 000 m altitude and that it will provide friction and turbulence for landing. But there is no air at 120 000 m altitude with birds flying around in it. The air is 115 000 m further down. Please, grow up and do not support the criminal idiots at NASA and their Rotary friends with their prizes.
Show your evidence that those reports are wrong.  I have posted links that answered both those questions.  You ignore them.  You run away saying it's impossible.  Of course you never show any evidence as to why it's impossible.  As always, you fail.
He will come back in a day or a week and try to pretend that posts like this were never posted.

He is not joking when he calls us idiots, it's clear he thinks we are.

Hewia, you can try to act like your Fraudulent Joke has never been won and your questions have never been answered, but we have been here the whole time and we know.
You seem to be quite good at predicting heiwas behaviour. Plus you issure challenges. Suspicious....  >:(

Good detective skills.  Here is some corroborating evidence.  (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=70452.msg1903694#msg1903694) ;D
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 10, 2017, 03:17:25 PM

???  Who said anything about stopping the spacecraft at 120 km?  At about 120 km, the process of slowing the spacecraft down begins.  The spacecraft doesn't stop until it touches down at zero m.

LOL - is starts slowing down! No, it is just going faster and faster. Gravity you know! Ever heard about it?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 10, 2017, 03:20:45 PM
Yes - isn't it ridiculous? All space achievements are paid for by taxpayers and 100% fake and produced/invented on Earth with nobody in space. Just the usual magic nonsense. And these clowns give awards to each other. Disgusting.
Make up your mind, will you?

Either all space achievements are 100% fake or commercial satellites are real.  You can't have it both ways.

No, you are wrong as usual like most anonymous twirps at this forum.

Commercial satellites are real, e.g. Arianespace sending them one way into orbits all the time. Just ask them!

The rest (NASA, ESA, SpaceX, bla, bla) is 100% fake. I explain it all at http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm .

I pay anyone €1M showing I am wrong at http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm .
All of those "100% fake achievements" build on the initial achievement of unmanned satellite launches.

Just because you aren't smart enough to figure out how hyperbolic trajectories or atmospheric reentry work, that doesn't mean that they're impossible.
Well, you, an anonymous twirp, always tells me that I am not smart, bla, bla, and I offer you €1M to prove it and ... ? You just moan and groan like a retired NASA faker. Just carry on! Haven't you got a contract to fulfill, to do it?
Disgusting. Slave contract. White slaves! 2017!
I'm sorry, but it's hard to have a productive discussion when you go off on these rants that make you sound like a confused, angry old man.

I never claimed to an engineer of any kind, but you have.  I have posted a link to a textbook called Orbital Mechanics for Engineering Students (https://edisciplinas.usp.br/pluginfile.php/66104/mod_resource/content/1/OrbitalMechanicsForEngineeringStudents-AerospaceEngineering.pdf) showing how to calculate various orbits.  I have posted links to other textbooks describing atmospheric reentry and calculating interplanetary trajectories. 

Why you insist that these things are impossible when it's plain that the science of how to do so is readily available continues to baffle me.

Anders, I'm not the least bit interested in your money or your "challenges".  I'd much rather you spend some of that money on a few textbooks that show you how to do what you claim can't be done.  I still have a hard time believing that a distinguished engineer as yourself would let someone telling you that a task is impossible stop you from finding a clever solution.
LOL. My simple Challenge is just to calculate the fuel required (kg) for some manned space trips and to show that you can lift it off the ground ... and you provide links to some stupid reports. And you don't even have a name.
The Challenge is also to describe the sanitary facilities provided. The humans aboard must be able to be clean and happy.
And what is shown? A little capsule with some seats inside. Hilarious. Not even toilet paper!
The impossible Challenge is of course the re-entry and landing. It is suggested that there is air at 120 000 m altitude and that it will provide friction and turbulence for landing. But there is no air at 120 000 m altitude with birds flying around in it. The air is 115 000 m further down. Please, grow up and do not support the criminal idiots at NASA and their Rotary friends with their prizes.
Show your evidence that those reports are wrong.  I have posted links that answered both those questions.  You ignore them.  You run away saying it's impossible.  Of course you never show any evidence as to why it's impossible.  As always, you fail.

The reports do not say how to calculate the fuel required for a manned space trip and how to get off the ground with it. And to land afterwards, which are the requirements of the Challenge.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bom Tishop on May 10, 2017, 03:48:29 PM
Edit.

I found a loophole in one of your challenges, I won, stop ignoring the fact. I archived your website as of my declaration of victory.

Funny thing is...Verinage technique is used in France more often than anywhere else, you would think he would know that.

Despite the fact this method would not function on 1/2 (core design, math of top and bottom do not work for the method etc etc)..and 7 (obviously from video evidence) does not qualify... Heiwa does say to show an instance where the upper half of a building can destroy the lower half...

So by technical decision, disputeone wins....Better open those purse strings punkin

Edit grammar
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: disputeone on May 10, 2017, 04:44:36 PM
Edit.

I found a loophole in one of your challenges, I won, stop ignoring the fact. I archived your website as of my declaration of victory.

Funny thing is...Verinage technique is used in France more often than anywhere else, you would think he would know that.

Despite the fact this method would not function on 1/2 (core design, math of top and bottom do not work for the method etc etc)..and 7 (obviously from video evidence) does not qualify... Heiwa does say to show an instance where the upper half of a building can destroy the lower half...

So by technical decision, disputeone wins....Better open those purse strings punkin

Edit grammar

Agreed.

(https://s7.postimg.org/vsksyeivv/Fast-and-_Furious-_Memes-20.jpg)

I'll take the win on a technicality.

Come on heiwa I could use some extra dollarydoos.

Edit.

Watch him dodge, duck, dip, dive and dodge lol.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Kami on May 10, 2017, 04:50:01 PM
Watch him dodge, duck, dip, dive and dodge lol.
Until now I have watched him ignore completely :D
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on May 10, 2017, 06:08:30 PM
Yes - isn't it ridiculous? All space achievements are paid for by taxpayers and 100% fake and produced/invented on Earth with nobody in space. Just the usual magic nonsense. And these clowns give awards to each other. Disgusting.
Make up your mind, will you?

Either all space achievements are 100% fake or commercial satellites are real.  You can't have it both ways.

No, you are wrong as usual like most anonymous twirps at this forum.

Commercial satellites are real, e.g. Arianespace sending them one way into orbits all the time. Just ask them!

The rest (NASA, ESA, SpaceX, bla, bla) is 100% fake. I explain it all at http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm .

I pay anyone €1M showing I am wrong at http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm .
All of those "100% fake achievements" build on the initial achievement of unmanned satellite launches.

Just because you aren't smart enough to figure out how hyperbolic trajectories or atmospheric reentry work, that doesn't mean that they're impossible.
Well, you, an anonymous twirp, always tells me that I am not smart, bla, bla, and I offer you €1M to prove it and ... ? You just moan and groan like a retired NASA faker. Just carry on! Haven't you got a contract to fulfill, to do it?
Disgusting. Slave contract. White slaves! 2017!
I'm sorry, but it's hard to have a productive discussion when you go off on these rants that make you sound like a confused, angry old man.

I never claimed to an engineer of any kind, but you have.  I have posted a link to a textbook called Orbital Mechanics for Engineering Students (https://edisciplinas.usp.br/pluginfile.php/66104/mod_resource/content/1/OrbitalMechanicsForEngineeringStudents-AerospaceEngineering.pdf) showing how to calculate various orbits.  I have posted links to other textbooks describing atmospheric reentry and calculating interplanetary trajectories. 

Why you insist that these things are impossible when it's plain that the science of how to do so is readily available continues to baffle me.

Anders, I'm not the least bit interested in your money or your "challenges".  I'd much rather you spend some of that money on a few textbooks that show you how to do what you claim can't be done.  I still have a hard time believing that a distinguished engineer as yourself would let someone telling you that a task is impossible stop you from finding a clever solution.
LOL. My simple Challenge is just to calculate the fuel required (kg) for some manned space trips and to show that you can lift it off the ground ... and you provide links to some stupid reports. And you don't even have a name.
The Challenge is also to describe the sanitary facilities provided. The humans aboard must be able to be clean and happy.
And what is shown? A little capsule with some seats inside. Hilarious. Not even toilet paper!
The impossible Challenge is of course the re-entry and landing. It is suggested that there is air at 120 000 m altitude and that it will provide friction and turbulence for landing. But there is no air at 120 000 m altitude with birds flying around in it. The air is 115 000 m further down. Please, grow up and do not support the criminal idiots at NASA and their Rotary friends with their prizes.
Show your evidence that those reports are wrong.  I have posted links that answered both those questions.  You ignore them.  You run away saying it's impossible.  Of course you never show any evidence as to why it's impossible.  As always, you fail.

The reports do not say how to calculate the fuel required for a manned space trip and how to get off the ground with it. And to land afterwards, which are the requirements of the Challenge.
Once again you fail to provide any evidence.  And you have been given links that show how to calculate the fuel and links that show what fuel was consumed and when.
Yet another failure.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 10, 2017, 08:59:19 PM
Yes - isn't it ridiculous? All space achievements are paid for by taxpayers and 100% fake and produced/invented on Earth with nobody in space. Just the usual magic nonsense. And these clowns give awards to each other. Disgusting.
Make up your mind, will you?

Either all space achievements are 100% fake or commercial satellites are real.  You can't have it both ways.

No, you are wrong as usual like most anonymous twirps at this forum.

Commercial satellites are real, e.g. Arianespace sending them one way into orbits all the time. Just ask them!

The rest (NASA, ESA, SpaceX, bla, bla) is 100% fake. I explain it all at http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm .

I pay anyone €1M showing I am wrong at http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm .
All of those "100% fake achievements" build on the initial achievement of unmanned satellite launches.

Just because you aren't smart enough to figure out how hyperbolic trajectories or atmospheric reentry work, that doesn't mean that they're impossible.
Well, you, an anonymous twirp, always tells me that I am not smart, bla, bla, and I offer you €1M to prove it and ... ? You just moan and groan like a retired NASA faker. Just carry on! Haven't you got a contract to fulfill, to do it?
Disgusting. Slave contract. White slaves! 2017!
I'm sorry, but it's hard to have a productive discussion when you go off on these rants that make you sound like a confused, angry old man.

I never claimed to an engineer of any kind, but you have.  I have posted a link to a textbook called Orbital Mechanics for Engineering Students (https://edisciplinas.usp.br/pluginfile.php/66104/mod_resource/content/1/OrbitalMechanicsForEngineeringStudents-AerospaceEngineering.pdf) showing how to calculate various orbits.  I have posted links to other textbooks describing atmospheric reentry and calculating interplanetary trajectories. 

Why you insist that these things are impossible when it's plain that the science of how to do so is readily available continues to baffle me.

Anders, I'm not the least bit interested in your money or your "challenges".  I'd much rather you spend some of that money on a few textbooks that show you how to do what you claim can't be done.  I still have a hard time believing that a distinguished engineer as yourself would let someone telling you that a task is impossible stop you from finding a clever solution.
LOL. My simple Challenge is just to calculate the fuel required (kg) for some manned space trips and to show that you can lift it off the ground ... and you provide links to some stupid reports. And you don't even have a name.
The Challenge is also to describe the sanitary facilities provided. The humans aboard must be able to be clean and happy.
And what is shown? A little capsule with some seats inside. Hilarious. Not even toilet paper!
The impossible Challenge is of course the re-entry and landing. It is suggested that there is air at 120 000 m altitude and that it will provide friction and turbulence for landing. But there is no air at 120 000 m altitude with birds flying around in it. The air is 115 000 m further down. Please, grow up and do not support the criminal idiots at NASA and their Rotary friends with their prizes.
Show your evidence that those reports are wrong.  I have posted links that answered both those questions.  You ignore them.  You run away saying it's impossible.  Of course you never show any evidence as to why it's impossible.  As always, you fail.

The reports do not say how to calculate the fuel required for a manned space trip and how to get off the ground with it. And to land afterwards, which are the requirements of the Challenge.
Once again you fail to provide any evidence.  And you have been given links that show how to calculate the fuel and links that show what fuel was consumed and when.
Yet another failure.
? To win my Challenges you must provide an application to me with required information, incl. full name and bank account for me to transfer the money. So far noone has done it.
Not even a copy of any application has been posted on the Internet.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: disputeone on May 10, 2017, 09:13:55 PM
Heiwa, I won your challenge #1.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=70589.0

Pay me.

Quote from: heiwacochallenge1
No structure of any kind collapses from top down!

It is always from bottom up, top C is damaged in this example. So to win the Challenge 1 you have to come up with some other type of structure that really can collapse from top down! I look forward to that. I will happily pay you € 1 000 000:- if you can do that. I cannot find any structure in Universe that meets my Challenge 1 though.

http://heiwaco.tripod.com/chall1.htm#hc

I've won, I have shown you, and can explain in technical detail how a structure can collapse from the top down.

Your challenge clearly states "any structure in the universe" my structure, for this example, has demolition charges in it. Just a classic top down controlled demolition, nothing fancy, no magic. Now, I believe there is the matter of the €1 000 000?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 10, 2017, 09:42:49 PM
Heiwa, I won your challenge #1.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=70589.0

Pay me.

Quote from: heiwacochallenge1
No structure of any kind collapses from top down!

It is always from bottom up, top C is damaged in this example. So to win the Challenge 1 you have to come up with some other type of structure that really can collapse from top down! I look forward to that. I will happily pay you € 1 000 000:- if you can do that. I cannot find any structure in Universe that meets my Challenge 1 though.

http://heiwaco.tripod.com/chall1.htm#hc

I've won, I have shown you, and can explain in technical detail how a structure can collapse from the top down.

Your challenge clearly states "any structure in the universe" my structure, for this example, has demolition charges in it. Just a classic top down controlled demolition, nothing fancy, no magic. Now, I believe there is the matter of the €1 000 000?

You have to read the rules and the conditions required at http://heiwaco.com/chall1.htm, e.g. that you must drop the top on the bottom, etc, etc.
You also forgot to send me name/address/bank details.
So you are another loser!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: disputeone on May 10, 2017, 09:49:15 PM
I've read them.

When you confirm I have won then I will send my deets.

Drop the top on the bottom, bottom structure destroyed sequentially from the top down by demolition charges.

Top down building collapse.

Pay me.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 10, 2017, 10:25:14 PM
I've read them.

When you confirm I have won then I will send my deets.

Drop the top on the bottom, bottom structure destroyed sequentially from the top down by demolition charges.

Top down building collapse.

Pay me.

You must have read something else. You must drop the top on the bottom by gravity! Not apply forces connected to ground pulling the top down, etc, etc. 
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: disputeone on May 10, 2017, 10:39:46 PM
Gravity and explosives. It's part of the building design your challenge states I can design.

There are no forces except gravity pulling the building down, I just use explosives to take care of the structural resistance.

Pay me.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 11, 2017, 03:15:06 AM
Gravity and explosives. It's part of the building design your challenge states I can design.

There are no forces except gravity pulling the building down, I just use explosives to take care of the structural resistance.

Pay me.

Pls read the rules! Just drop the small, weak top of your structure on the strong bottom part and see what happens. If the top destroys the bottom, send me the info about it, etc, etc.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: disputeone on May 11, 2017, 04:33:03 AM
I drop the small weak top on the strong bottom part, as it impacts the bottom structure, demolition charges remove the structural components of the the bottom structure sequentially from the top down causing a top down collapse and winning your challenge #1.

Pay me.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 11, 2017, 05:30:01 AM
I drop the small weak top on the strong bottom part, as it impacts the bottom structure, demolition charges remove the structural components of the the bottom structure sequentially from the top down causing a top down collapse and winning your challenge #1.

Pay me.

No, you didn't. You are another loser.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: disputeone on May 11, 2017, 05:38:19 AM
>muh feels. :(
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on May 11, 2017, 05:48:06 AM
I didn't say anything about your fake challenge.  You're trying to change the subject.
I simply pointed out that you have made statements here that you refuse to back up. 
You show no evidence here that space flight is fake.  You demand evidence from others then you ignore it.
Show some evidence here that you are not a complete lying idiot.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 11, 2017, 06:09:07 AM
I didn't say anything about your fake challenge.  You're trying to change the subject.
I simply pointed out that you have made statements here that you refuse to back up. 
You show no evidence here that space flight is fake.  You demand evidence from others then you ignore it.
Show some evidence here that you are not a complete lying idiot.
Hm, topic is my understanding in orbital mechanics. Don't change it. My understanding is that humans cannot orbit anywhere. If you orbit, you are going too fast up somewhere and cannot de-orbit, slow down, re-enter and land. I offer anyone €1 M to show I am wrong. I also offer anyone the same amount to calculate the amount of fuel required for simple, manned space trips. And to explain the sanitary facilities.
Plenty twirps copy/paste links to various reports about it ... but always forget the fuel and the re-entry ... and the sanitary facilities.
Question! Do you never use a sanitary facility? If not, explain how it works in space!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on May 11, 2017, 08:20:06 AM
I didn't say anything about your fake challenge.  You're trying to change the subject.
I simply pointed out that you have made statements here that you refuse to back up. 
You show no evidence here that space flight is fake.  You demand evidence from others then you ignore it.
Show some evidence here that you are not a complete lying idiot.
Hm, topic is my understanding in orbital mechanics. Don't change it. My understanding is that humans cannot orbit anywhere. If you orbit, you are going too fast up somewhere and cannot de-orbit, slow down, re-enter and land. I offer anyone €1 M to show I am wrong. I also offer anyone the same amount to calculate the amount of fuel required for simple, manned space trips. And to explain the sanitary facilities.
Plenty twirps copy/paste links to various reports about it ... but always forget the fuel and the re-entry ... and the sanitary facilities.
Question! Do you never use a sanitary facility? If not, explain how it works in space!
You're a liar.  I personally have posted links to both of those subjects.  You ignored them.
Please explain why you think it can't work.  Be specific, give some evidence.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on May 11, 2017, 09:39:06 AM

???  Who said anything about stopping the spacecraft at 120 km?  At about 120 km, the process of slowing the spacecraft down begins.  The spacecraft doesn't stop until it touches down at zero m.

LOL - is starts slowing down! No, it is just going faster and faster. Gravity you know! Ever heard about it?
Friction.  Have you ever heard of it?  How about terminal velocity?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 11, 2017, 10:18:16 AM
I didn't say anything about your fake challenge.  You're trying to change the subject.
I simply pointed out that you have made statements here that you refuse to back up. 
You show no evidence here that space flight is fake.  You demand evidence from others then you ignore it.
Show some evidence here that you are not a complete lying idiot.
Hm, topic is my understanding in orbital mechanics. Don't change it. My understanding is that humans cannot orbit anywhere. If you orbit, you are going too fast up somewhere and cannot de-orbit, slow down, re-enter and land. I offer anyone €1 M to show I am wrong. I also offer anyone the same amount to calculate the amount of fuel required for simple, manned space trips. And to explain the sanitary facilities.
Plenty twirps copy/paste links to various reports about it ... but always forget the fuel and the re-entry ... and the sanitary facilities.
Question! Do you never use a sanitary facility? If not, explain how it works in space!
You're a liar.  I personally have posted links to both of those subjects.  You ignored them.
Please explain why you think it can't work.  Be specific, give some evidence.

Well, you didn't calculate the fuel required ... and how to get off the ground. You are a loser!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 11, 2017, 10:21:08 AM

???  Who said anything about stopping the spacecraft at 120 km?  At about 120 km, the process of slowing the spacecraft down begins.  The spacecraft doesn't stop until it touches down at zero m.

LOL - is starts slowing down! No, it is just going faster and faster. Gravity you know! Ever heard about it?
Friction.  Have you ever heard of it?  How about terminal velocity?

There is no friction in space! There is no friction at 120 000 m altitude. Only gravity. No way to stop a capsule coming from space. Every landing since 1961 is fake.

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on May 11, 2017, 10:57:30 AM
I didn't say anything about your fake challenge.  You're trying to change the subject.
I simply pointed out that you have made statements here that you refuse to back up. 
You show no evidence here that space flight is fake.  You demand evidence from others then you ignore it.
Show some evidence here that you are not a complete lying idiot.
Hm, topic is my understanding in orbital mechanics. Don't change it. My understanding is that humans cannot orbit anywhere. If you orbit, you are going too fast up somewhere and cannot de-orbit, slow down, re-enter and land. I offer anyone €1 M to show I am wrong. I also offer anyone the same amount to calculate the amount of fuel required for simple, manned space trips. And to explain the sanitary facilities.
Plenty twirps copy/paste links to various reports about it ... but always forget the fuel and the re-entry ... and the sanitary facilities.
Question! Do you never use a sanitary facility? If not, explain how it works in space!
You're a liar.  I personally have posted links to both of those subjects.  You ignored them.
Please explain why you think it can't work.  Be specific, give some evidence.

Well, you didn't calculate the fuel required ... and how to get off the ground. You are a loser!
Again, you lie.  You have been given links showing exactly that.  How about showing some evidence to support your position?  Something you continually fail to do.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 11, 2017, 11:14:05 AM
I didn't say anything about your fake challenge.  You're trying to change the subject.
I simply pointed out that you have made statements here that you refuse to back up. 
You show no evidence here that space flight is fake.  You demand evidence from others then you ignore it.
Show some evidence here that you are not a complete lying idiot.
Hm, topic is my understanding in orbital mechanics. Don't change it. My understanding is that humans cannot orbit anywhere. If you orbit, you are going too fast up somewhere and cannot de-orbit, slow down, re-enter and land. I offer anyone €1 M to show I am wrong. I also offer anyone the same amount to calculate the amount of fuel required for simple, manned space trips. And to explain the sanitary facilities.
Plenty twirps copy/paste links to various reports about it ... but always forget the fuel and the re-entry ... and the sanitary facilities.
Question! Do you never use a sanitary facility? If not, explain how it works in space!
You're a liar.  I personally have posted links to both of those subjects.  You ignored them.
Please explain why you think it can't work.  Be specific, give some evidence.

Well, you didn't calculate the fuel required ... and how to get off the ground. You are a loser!
Again, you lie.  You have been given links showing exactly that.  How about showing some evidence to support your position?  Something you continually fail to do.
The Challenge is to calculate the fuel required for two manned space trips. Your links do not provide any info how to do it.
I am an old supporter of robotic, unmanned space trips. They are possible but of little scientific values = waste of time. The robots are too stupid like the people on Earth trying to control them.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on May 11, 2017, 11:45:01 AM
There is no friction in space! There is no friction at 120 000 m altitude.
If that was true (which it isn't), then the ISS (400 km) would not need its orbit to be boosted periodically.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on May 11, 2017, 12:54:36 PM
I didn't say anything about your fake challenge.  You're trying to change the subject.
I simply pointed out that you have made statements here that you refuse to back up. 
You show no evidence here that space flight is fake.  You demand evidence from others then you ignore it.
Show some evidence here that you are not a complete lying idiot.
Hm, topic is my understanding in orbital mechanics. Don't change it. My understanding is that humans cannot orbit anywhere. If you orbit, you are going too fast up somewhere and cannot de-orbit, slow down, re-enter and land. I offer anyone €1 M to show I am wrong. I also offer anyone the same amount to calculate the amount of fuel required for simple, manned space trips. And to explain the sanitary facilities.
Plenty twirps copy/paste links to various reports about it ... but always forget the fuel and the re-entry ... and the sanitary facilities.
Question! Do you never use a sanitary facility? If not, explain how it works in space!
You're a liar.  I personally have posted links to both of those subjects.  You ignored them.
Please explain why you think it can't work.  Be specific, give some evidence.

Well, you didn't calculate the fuel required ... and how to get off the ground. You are a loser!
Again, you lie.  You have been given links showing exactly that.  How about showing some evidence to support your position?  Something you continually fail to do.
The Challenge is to calculate the fuel required for two manned space trips. Your links do not provide any info how to do it.
I am an old supporter of robotic, unmanned space trips. They are possible but of little scientific values = waste of time. The robots are too stupid like the people on Earth trying to control them.
Nobody is talking about your fake challenge.  You have been given links that show fuel use for apollo missions.  You lie and say no can show you that.
Where is your evidence to support your statements?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: disputeone on May 11, 2017, 03:01:03 PM
Heiwa tell me why I haven't won your challenge #1 or pay me.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 11, 2017, 04:51:31 PM
I didn't say anything about your fake challenge.  You're trying to change the subject.
I simply pointed out that you have made statements here that you refuse to back up. 
You show no evidence here that space flight is fake.  You demand evidence from others then you ignore it.
Show some evidence here that you are not a complete lying idiot.
Hm, topic is my understanding in orbital mechanics. Don't change it. My understanding is that humans cannot orbit anywhere. If you orbit, you are going too fast up somewhere and cannot de-orbit, slow down, re-enter and land. I offer anyone €1 M to show I am wrong. I also offer anyone the same amount to calculate the amount of fuel required for simple, manned space trips. And to explain the sanitary facilities.
Plenty twirps copy/paste links to various reports about it ... but always forget the fuel and the re-entry ... and the sanitary facilities.
Question! Do you never use a sanitary facility? If not, explain how it works in space!
You're a liar.  I personally have posted links to both of those subjects.  You ignored them.
Please explain why you think it can't work.  Be specific, give some evidence.

Well, you didn't calculate the fuel required ... and how to get off the ground. You are a loser!
Again, you lie.  You have been given links showing exactly that.  How about showing some evidence to support your position?  Something you continually fail to do.
The Challenge is to calculate the fuel required for two manned space trips. Your links do not provide any info how to do it.
I am an old supporter of robotic, unmanned space trips. They are possible but of little scientific values = waste of time. The robots are too stupid like the people on Earth trying to control them.
Nobody is talking about your fake challenge.  You have been given links that show fuel use for apollo missions.  You lie and say no can show you that.
Where is your evidence to support your statements?
At http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm . The Apollo missions were all fake because they couldn't carry the fuel with them, etc, etc.  Too heavy to get off the ground! You really aren't very bright.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bom Tishop on May 11, 2017, 04:55:48 PM
Heiwa tell me why I haven't won your challenge #1 or pay me.

Lol...I will give you one guess  ;D

I don't think you are getting your prize money...

Unless of course you will take an out of state, non stamped, post dated temporary check....
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: disputeone on May 11, 2017, 05:25:55 PM
I'll accept monopoly money at this point.

Are there any other engineers that can tell Heiwa I won?

If you don't like demolition charges I could design support structures set to fail sequentially in the event of an impact.

It's really quite simple to make a building collapse from the top down via demolition.

Quote
In the controlled demolition industry, building implosion is the strategic placing of explosive material and timing of its detonation so that a structure collapses on itself in a matter of seconds, minimizing the physical damage to its immediate surroundings. Despite its terminology, building implosion also includes the controlled demolition of other structures, such as bridges, smokestacks, towers, and tunnels.

Building implosion (which reduces to seconds a process which could take months or years to achieve by other methods) typically occurs in urban areas and often involves large landmark structures.

The actual use of the term "implosion" to refer to the destruction of a building is a misnomer. This had been stated of the destruction of 1515 Tower in West Palm Beach, Florida. "What happens is, you use explosive materials in critical structural connections to allow gravity to bring it down." [1]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Building_implosion
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 11, 2017, 06:13:35 PM
I'll accept monopoly money at this point.

Are there any other engineers that can tell Heiwa I won?

If you don't like demolition charges I could design support structures set to fail sequentially in the event of an impact.

It's really quite simple to make a building collapse from the top down via demolition.

Quote
In the controlled demolition industry, building implosion is the strategic placing of explosive material and timing of its detonation so that a structure collapses on itself in a matter of seconds, minimizing the physical damage to its immediate surroundings. Despite its terminology, building implosion also includes the controlled demolition of other structures, such as bridges, smokestacks, towers, and tunnels.

Building implosion (which reduces to seconds a process which could take months or years to achieve by other methods) typically occurs in urban areas and often involves large landmark structures.

The actual use of the term "implosion" to refer to the destruction of a building is a misnomer. This had been stated of the destruction of 1515 Tower in West Palm Beach, Florida. "What happens is, you use explosive materials in critical structural connections to allow gravity to bring it down." [1]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Building_implosion
You really have to study my Challenge rules at http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm .

They are not about orbital mechanics - topic. One Challenge is about fuel required for humans to travel to planet Mars. Nobody knows how much fuel is required. Plenty stupid clowns just suggest it is possible for humans to fly to Mars. When I ask them about the fuel required, they have no answers, even if I offer them €1M!

Another Challenge is about dropping the top A of a structure on the bottom B keeping A up and see what happens. If A crushes B, you win €1M! If A bounces on B, you just confirm an axiom of mine (which you can also prove using scientific reasoning). Plenty stupid clowns on the other hand suggest that tops of structures crush bottoms of same structures keeping them in position - just a little drop of A on B and POUFF, POUFF, POUFF - A crushes B. Magic!

Other stupid clowns believe nuclear weapons like a-bombs work because they read it in a newspaper and saw photos of destroyed towns. It was reported plenty people were killed by the a-bombs. It was not reported that the towns were destroyed long (months) before by conventional bombings, etc, etc, etc. and that it was just war propaganda to put fear into the enemy to give up.

Imagine what stupid people believe without a jota of evidence. And when I try to educate them, they get upset. One even believes, a serious case of idiocy, there is friction in vacuum space (the Universe) where humans are flying around. He mixes them up with angels, the poor sod.

But I enjoy trying to cure stupid idiots. Maybe 1 in a 100 is cured.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: disputeone on May 11, 2017, 06:35:37 PM
If there are demolition charges / explosive joints I could easily design a building to completely collapse from the top down after dropping part A on part B.

Pay me. There is no magic.

Monopoly money is fine.

Top down CD pdf (https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://global.ctbuh.org/paper/2414&ved=0ahUKEwi_9KTjm-nTAhVKNrwKHXhxBAEQFggsMAY&usg=AFQjCNG-glSkD7jq032EjtIUGgcoy_2UFg)

(https://s24.postimg.org/gxnwepac5/tumblr_m7qwoxsd6n1ruq9mqo1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on May 11, 2017, 07:40:08 PM
The Apollo missions were all fake because they couldn't carry the fuel with them, etc, etc.  Too heavy to get off the ground!

Evidently it could and did get off the ground.  Repeatedly.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: disputeone on May 11, 2017, 08:11:14 PM
Heiwa thinks everything is cgi.

::)

p.s can anyone tell me why I haven't won heiwas challenge #1?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on May 11, 2017, 08:15:48 PM
I didn't say anything about your fake challenge.  You're trying to change the subject.
I simply pointed out that you have made statements here that you refuse to back up. 
You show no evidence here that space flight is fake.  You demand evidence from others then you ignore it.
Show some evidence here that you are not a complete lying idiot.
Hm, topic is my understanding in orbital mechanics. Don't change it. My understanding is that humans cannot orbit anywhere. If you orbit, you are going too fast up somewhere and cannot de-orbit, slow down, re-enter and land. I offer anyone €1 M to show I am wrong. I also offer anyone the same amount to calculate the amount of fuel required for simple, manned space trips. And to explain the sanitary facilities.
Plenty twirps copy/paste links to various reports about it ... but always forget the fuel and the re-entry ... and the sanitary facilities.
Question! Do you never use a sanitary facility? If not, explain how it works in space!
You're a liar.  I personally have posted links to both of those subjects.  You ignored them.
Please explain why you think it can't work.  Be specific, give some evidence.

Well, you didn't calculate the fuel required ... and how to get off the ground. You are a loser!
Again, you lie.  You have been given links showing exactly that.  How about showing some evidence to support your position?  Something you continually fail to do.
The Challenge is to calculate the fuel required for two manned space trips. Your links do not provide any info how to do it.
I am an old supporter of robotic, unmanned space trips. They are possible but of little scientific values = waste of time. The robots are too stupid like the people on Earth trying to control them.
Nobody is talking about your fake challenge.  You have been given links that show fuel use for apollo missions.  You lie and say no can show you that.
Where is your evidence to support your statements?
At http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm . The Apollo missions were all fake because they couldn't carry the fuel with them, etc, etc.  Too heavy to get off the ground! You really aren't very bright.
Another fail.  Show your evidence to support your statement.  Why do you always run away from such requests?  What are you afraid of?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 14, 2017, 04:23:32 AM
I didn't say anything about your fake challenge.  You're trying to change the subject.
I simply pointed out that you have made statements here that you refuse to back up. 
You show no evidence here that space flight is fake.  You demand evidence from others then you ignore it.
Show some evidence here that you are not a complete lying idiot.
Hm, topic is my understanding in orbital mechanics. Don't change it. My understanding is that humans cannot orbit anywhere. If you orbit, you are going too fast up somewhere and cannot de-orbit, slow down, re-enter and land. I offer anyone €1 M to show I am wrong. I also offer anyone the same amount to calculate the amount of fuel required for simple, manned space trips. And to explain the sanitary facilities.
Plenty twirps copy/paste links to various reports about it ... but always forget the fuel and the re-entry ... and the sanitary facilities.
Question! Do you never use a sanitary facility? If not, explain how it works in space!
You're a liar.  I personally have posted links to both of those subjects.  You ignored them.
Please explain why you think it can't work.  Be specific, give some evidence.

Well, you didn't calculate the fuel required ... and how to get off the ground. You are a loser!
Again, you lie.  You have been given links showing exactly that.  How about showing some evidence to support your position?  Something you continually fail to do.
The Challenge is to calculate the fuel required for two manned space trips. Your links do not provide any info how to do it.
I am an old supporter of robotic, unmanned space trips. They are possible but of little scientific values = waste of time. The robots are too stupid like the people on Earth trying to control them.
Nobody is talking about your fake challenge.  You have been given links that show fuel use for apollo missions.  You lie and say no can show you that.
Where is your evidence to support your statements?
At http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm . The Apollo missions were all fake because they couldn't carry the fuel with them, etc, etc.  Too heavy to get off the ground! You really aren't very bright.
Another fail.  Show your evidence to support your statement.  Why do you always run away from such requests?  What are you afraid of?


This Don Pettit clown supports me 100%. Don lives in Hollywood and to avoid living in a gutter he prostitutes himself. Isn't it sad?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on May 14, 2017, 04:48:49 AM
I didn't say anything about your fake challenge.  You're trying to change the subject.
I simply pointed out that you have made statements here that you refuse to back up. 
You show no evidence here that space flight is fake.  You demand evidence from others then you ignore it.
Show some evidence here that you are not a complete lying idiot.
Hm, topic is my understanding in orbital mechanics. Don't change it. My understanding is that humans cannot orbit anywhere. If you orbit, you are going too fast up somewhere and cannot de-orbit, slow down, re-enter and land. I offer anyone €1 M to show I am wrong. I also offer anyone the same amount to calculate the amount of fuel required for simple, manned space trips. And to explain the sanitary facilities.
Plenty twirps copy/paste links to various reports about it ... but always forget the fuel and the re-entry ... and the sanitary facilities.
Question! Do you never use a sanitary facility? If not, explain how it works in space!
You're a liar.  I personally have posted links to both of those subjects.  You ignored them.
Please explain why you think it can't work.  Be specific, give some evidence.

Well, you didn't calculate the fuel required ... and how to get off the ground. You are a loser!
Again, you lie.  You have been given links showing exactly that.  How about showing some evidence to support your position?  Something you continually fail to do.
The Challenge is to calculate the fuel required for two manned space trips. Your links do not provide any info how to do it.
I am an old supporter of robotic, unmanned space trips. They are possible but of little scientific values = waste of time. The robots are too stupid like the people on Earth trying to control them.
Nobody is talking about your fake challenge.  You have been given links that show fuel use for apollo missions.  You lie and say no can show you that.
Where is your evidence to support your statements?
At http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm . The Apollo missions were all fake because they couldn't carry the fuel with them, etc, etc.  Too heavy to get off the ground! You really aren't very bright.
Another fail.  Show your evidence to support your statement.  Why do you always run away from such requests?  What are you afraid of?


This Don Pettit clown supports me 100%. Don lives in Hollywood and to avoid living in a gutter he prostitutes himself. Isn't it sad?
Supports you?  Now you show yourself to be a liar and a fake.  Just another fail where cannot support any of your claims.  You really are pathetic.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Kami on May 14, 2017, 05:19:38 AM
I didn't say anything about your fake challenge.  You're trying to change the subject.
I simply pointed out that you have made statements here that you refuse to back up. 
You show no evidence here that space flight is fake.  You demand evidence from others then you ignore it.
Show some evidence here that you are not a complete lying idiot.
Hm, topic is my understanding in orbital mechanics. Don't change it. My understanding is that humans cannot orbit anywhere. If you orbit, you are going too fast up somewhere and cannot de-orbit, slow down, re-enter and land. I offer anyone €1 M to show I am wrong. I also offer anyone the same amount to calculate the amount of fuel required for simple, manned space trips. And to explain the sanitary facilities.
Plenty twirps copy/paste links to various reports about it ... but always forget the fuel and the re-entry ... and the sanitary facilities.
Question! Do you never use a sanitary facility? If not, explain how it works in space!
You're a liar.  I personally have posted links to both of those subjects.  You ignored them.
Please explain why you think it can't work.  Be specific, give some evidence.

Well, you didn't calculate the fuel required ... and how to get off the ground. You are a loser!
Again, you lie.  You have been given links showing exactly that.  How about showing some evidence to support your position?  Something you continually fail to do.
The Challenge is to calculate the fuel required for two manned space trips. Your links do not provide any info how to do it.
I am an old supporter of robotic, unmanned space trips. They are possible but of little scientific values = waste of time. The robots are too stupid like the people on Earth trying to control them.
Nobody is talking about your fake challenge.  You have been given links that show fuel use for apollo missions.  You lie and say no can show you that.
Where is your evidence to support your statements?
At http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm . The Apollo missions were all fake because they couldn't carry the fuel with them, etc, etc.  Too heavy to get off the ground! You really aren't very bright.
Another fail.  Show your evidence to support your statement.  Why do you always run away from such requests?  What are you afraid of?


This Don Pettit clown supports me 100%. Don lives in Hollywood and to avoid living in a gutter he prostitutes himself. Isn't it sad?
He supports you 100%. Especially around 3:24.

Or when he floats arount in microgravity. The entire time.

Nice own-goal.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 14, 2017, 08:15:17 AM
I didn't say anything about your fake challenge.  You're trying to change the subject.
I simply pointed out that you have made statements here that you refuse to back up. 
You show no evidence here that space flight is fake.  You demand evidence from others then you ignore it.
Show some evidence here that you are not a complete lying idiot.
Hm, topic is my understanding in orbital mechanics. Don't change it. My understanding is that humans cannot orbit anywhere. If you orbit, you are going too fast up somewhere and cannot de-orbit, slow down, re-enter and land. I offer anyone €1 M to show I am wrong. I also offer anyone the same amount to calculate the amount of fuel required for simple, manned space trips. And to explain the sanitary facilities.
Plenty twirps copy/paste links to various reports about it ... but always forget the fuel and the re-entry ... and the sanitary facilities.
Question! Do you never use a sanitary facility? If not, explain how it works in space!
You're a liar.  I personally have posted links to both of those subjects.  You ignored them.
Please explain why you think it can't work.  Be specific, give some evidence.

Well, you didn't calculate the fuel required ... and how to get off the ground. You are a loser!
Again, you lie.  You have been given links showing exactly that.  How about showing some evidence to support your position?  Something you continually fail to do.
The Challenge is to calculate the fuel required for two manned space trips. Your links do not provide any info how to do it.
I am an old supporter of robotic, unmanned space trips. They are possible but of little scientific values = waste of time. The robots are too stupid like the people on Earth trying to control them.
Nobody is talking about your fake challenge.  You have been given links that show fuel use for apollo missions.  You lie and say no can show you that.
Where is your evidence to support your statements?
At http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm . The Apollo missions were all fake because they couldn't carry the fuel with them, etc, etc.  Too heavy to get off the ground! You really aren't very bright.
Another fail.  Show your evidence to support your statement.  Why do you always run away from such requests?  What are you afraid of?


This Don Pettit clown supports me 100%. Don lives in Hollywood and to avoid living in a gutter he prostitutes himself. Isn't it sad?
He supports you 100%. Especially around 3:24.

Or when he floats arount in microgravity. The entire time.

Nice own-goal.

Hm, Don is a treble doctor of pseudoscience inventing fantasies wherever he is; Hollywood, Los Alamos, Antarctica, Disneyland. Imagine this clown doing dental surgery ... in a hole in snow ... when he is not developing nuclear micro arms. The ultimate NASA twirp.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on May 14, 2017, 08:29:45 AM
Hm, Don is a treble doctor of pseudoscience inventing fantasies wherever he is; Hollywood, Los Alamos, Antarctica, Disneyland. Imagine this clown doing dental surgery ... in a hole in snow ... when he is not developing nuclear micro arms. The ultimate NASA twirp.
Anders, why do you say such stupid things?  ???
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 14, 2017, 08:46:32 AM
Hm, Don is a treble doctor of pseudoscience inventing fantasies wherever he is; Hollywood, Los Alamos, Antarctica, Disneyland. Imagine this clown doing dental surgery ... in a hole in snow ... when he is not developing nuclear micro arms. The ultimate NASA twirp.
Anders, why do you say such stupid things?  ???
Anyone claiming to be an asstronut, doing magic tricks in space, designing nuclear arms at NM and doing dental surgery at snowy Antarctica must be doctor of pseudoscience many times over.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on May 14, 2017, 08:48:18 AM
Why do you say such stupid things?  ???
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: frenat on May 14, 2017, 08:59:37 AM
Why do you say such stupid things?  ???
He's a pathological liar.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 14, 2017, 09:03:07 AM
Why do you say such stupid things?  ???
Stupid? Don Pettit is an expert of reduced gravity fluid flow and materials processing, atmospheric spectroscopy on noctilucent clouds seeded from sounding rockets, fumarole gas sampling from volcanoes, problems in detonation physics and similar pseudoscientific important matters.

And has done dental surgery in Antarctica. The person is a real clown. Working for NASA!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on May 14, 2017, 09:07:29 AM
Why do you say such stupid things?  ???
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on May 14, 2017, 09:34:43 AM
Hm, Don is a treble doctor of pseudoscience inventing fantasies wherever he is; Hollywood, Los Alamos, Antarctica, Disneyland. Imagine this clown doing dental surgery ... in a hole in snow ... when he is not developing nuclear micro arms. The ultimate NASA twirp.
Anders, why do you say such stupid things?  ???
Anyone claiming to be an asstronut, doing magic tricks in space, designing nuclear arms at NM and doing dental surgery at snowy Antarctica must be doctor of pseudoscience many times over.
So you're saying that dental surgery is pseudoscience? ???
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: frenat on May 14, 2017, 10:06:56 AM
Why do you say such stupid things?  ???
Stupid? Don Pettit is an expert of reduced gravity fluid flow and materials processing, atmospheric spectroscopy on noctilucent clouds seeded from sounding rockets, fumarole gas sampling from volcanoes, problems in detonation physics and similar pseudoscientific important matters.

And has done dental surgery in Antarctica. The person is a real clown. Working for NASA!
translation: I don't understand any of it!  But I am the infallible Heiwa.  If I don't understand it then I must insult him to make myself feel better!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 14, 2017, 10:08:40 AM
Hm, Don is a treble doctor of pseudoscience inventing fantasies wherever he is; Hollywood, Los Alamos, Antarctica, Disneyland. Imagine this clown doing dental surgery ... in a hole in snow ... when he is not developing nuclear micro arms. The ultimate NASA twirp.
Anders, why do you say such stupid things?  ???
Anyone claiming to be an asstronut, doing magic tricks in space, designing nuclear arms at NM and doing dental surgery at snowy Antarctica must be doctor of pseudoscience many times over.
So you're saying that dental surgery is pseudoscience? ???
Yes, when Don Pettit does it in the snow of Antartica. Don learnt it at the NAXA University of Arizona. It teaches plenty pseudoscience.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 14, 2017, 10:13:13 AM
Why do you say such stupid things?  ???
Stupid? Don Pettit is an expert of reduced gravity fluid flow and materials processing, atmospheric spectroscopy on noctilucent clouds seeded from sounding rockets, fumarole gas sampling from volcanoes, problems in detonation physics and similar pseudoscientific important matters.

And has done dental surgery in Antarctica. The person is a real clown. Working for NASA!
translation: I don't understand any of it!  But I am the infallible Heiwa.  If I don't understand it then I must insult him to make myself feel better!

No, I just quote from Don's CV. The guy is a genius clown.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: frenat on May 14, 2017, 10:15:21 AM
Why do you say such stupid things?  ???
Stupid? Don Pettit is an expert of reduced gravity fluid flow and materials processing, atmospheric spectroscopy on noctilucent clouds seeded from sounding rockets, fumarole gas sampling from volcanoes, problems in detonation physics and similar pseudoscientific important matters.

And has done dental surgery in Antarctica. The person is a real clown. Working for NASA!
translation: I don't understand any of it!  But I am the infallible Heiwa.  If I don't understand it then I must insult him to make myself feel better!

No, I just quote from Don's CV. The guy is a genius clown.
And Heiwa proves AGAIN that insults is all he's got.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 14, 2017, 10:29:06 AM
Why do you say such stupid things?  ???
Stupid? Don Pettit is an expert of reduced gravity fluid flow and materials processing, atmospheric spectroscopy on noctilucent clouds seeded from sounding rockets, fumarole gas sampling from volcanoes, problems in detonation physics and similar pseudoscientific important matters.

And has done dental surgery in Antarctica. The person is a real clown. Working for NASA!
translation: I don't understand any of it!  But I am the infallible Heiwa.  If I don't understand it then I must insult him to make myself feel better!

No, I just quote from Don's CV. The guy is a genius clown.
And Heiwa proves AGAIN that insults is all he's got.
Hm, in this case I just speak out about a person claiming he has been over a year flying in space  and done dental surgery at Antarctica. If I hurt his feelings, I am not sorry at all.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Denspressure on May 14, 2017, 11:37:08 AM
Andres, why do you say stupid things ???
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 14, 2017, 11:54:09 AM
Andres, why do you say stupid things ???
But this is not a stupid thing I (Heiwa, aka Anders) say; Hm, in this case I just speak out about a person claiming he has been over a year flying in (a NASA) space(craft)  and done dental surgery at Antarctica. If I hurt his feelings, I am not sorry at all.
Do you believe, think humans can fly in space (in a NASA spacecraft)? Do you think amateurs can do dental surgery in Antarctica? If you do, do some serious research. How do you get up in space? And how do you get back? And dental surgery? In the snow!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on May 14, 2017, 12:02:52 PM
Andres, why do you say stupid things ???
But this is not a stupid thing I (Heiwa, aka Anders) say; Hm, in this case I just speak out about a person claiming he has been over a year flying in (a NASA) space(craft)  and done dental surgery at Antarctica. If I hurt his feelings, I am not sorry at all.
Do you believe, think humans can fly in space (in a NASA spacecraft)? Do you think amateurs can do dental surgery in Antarctica? If you do, do some serious research. How do you get up in space? And how do you get back? And dental surgery? In the snow!
Repeating stupid things doesn't make them less stupid.
Naturally you can show some evidence to support your claims.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 14, 2017, 12:09:26 PM
Andres, why do you say stupid things ???
But this is not a stupid thing I (Heiwa, aka Anders) say; Hm, in this case I just speak out about a person claiming he has been over a year flying in (a NASA) space(craft)  and done dental surgery at Antarctica. If I hurt his feelings, I am not sorry at all.
Do you believe, think humans can fly in space (in a NASA spacecraft)? Do you think amateurs can do dental surgery in Antarctica? If you do, do some serious research. How do you get up in space? And how do you get back? And dental surgery? In the snow!
Repeating stupid things doesn't make them less stupid.
Naturally you can show some evidence to support your claims.
Yes! http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm

Study it. It is all true facts.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on May 14, 2017, 12:15:18 PM
Andres, why do you say stupid things ???
But this is not a stupid thing I (Heiwa, aka Anders) say; Hm, in this case I just speak out about a person claiming he has been over a year flying in (a NASA) space(craft)  and done dental surgery at Antarctica. If I hurt his feelings, I am not sorry at all.
Do you believe, think humans can fly in space (in a NASA spacecraft)? Do you think amateurs can do dental surgery in Antarctica? If you do, do some serious research. How do you get up in space? And how do you get back? And dental surgery? In the snow!
Repeating stupid things doesn't make them less stupid.
Naturally you can show some evidence to support your claims.
Yes! http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm

Study it. It is all true facts.
You made the claim here show your evidence here.  Of course you won't, you never do.  Which can only lead us to believe you are a liar and an idiot.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 14, 2017, 12:27:01 PM
Andres, why do you say stupid things ???
But this is not a stupid thing I (Heiwa, aka Anders) say; Hm, in this case I just speak out about a person claiming he has been over a year flying in (a NASA) space(craft)  and done dental surgery at Antarctica. If I hurt his feelings, I am not sorry at all.
Do you believe, think humans can fly in space (in a NASA spacecraft)? Do you think amateurs can do dental surgery in Antarctica? If you do, do some serious research. How do you get up in space? And how do you get back? And dental surgery? In the snow!
Repeating stupid things doesn't make them less stupid.
Naturally you can show some evidence to support your claims.
Yes! http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm

Study it. It is all true facts.
You made the claim here show your evidence here.  Of course you won't, you never do.  Which can only lead us to believe you are a liar and an idiot.
http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm ! Study it.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: onebigmonkey on May 14, 2017, 12:28:57 PM
http://onebigmonkey.com/apollo/apollo.html ! Study it.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: frenat on May 14, 2017, 01:04:59 PM
Andres, why do you say stupid things ???
But this is not a stupid thing I (Heiwa, aka Anders) say; Hm, in this case I just speak out about a person claiming he has been over a year flying in (a NASA) space(craft)  and done dental surgery at Antarctica. If I hurt his feelings, I am not sorry at all.
Do you believe, think humans can fly in space (in a NASA spacecraft)? Do you think amateurs can do dental surgery in Antarctica? If you do, do some serious research. How do you get up in space? And how do you get back? And dental surgery? In the snow!
Repeating stupid things doesn't make them less stupid.
Naturally you can show some evidence to support your claims.
Yes! http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm

Study it. It is all true facts.
Heiwa proves that he thinks "true facts" means unsupported ignorant opinions.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on May 14, 2017, 01:06:00 PM
Andres, why do you say stupid things ???
But this is not a stupid thing I (Heiwa, aka Anders) say; Hm, in this case I just speak out about a person claiming he has been over a year flying in (a NASA) space(craft)  and done dental surgery at Antarctica. If I hurt his feelings, I am not sorry at all.
Do you believe, think humans can fly in space (in a NASA spacecraft)? Do you think amateurs can do dental surgery in Antarctica? If you do, do some serious research. How do you get up in space? And how do you get back? And dental surgery? In the snow!
Repeating stupid things doesn't make them less stupid.
Naturally you can show some evidence to support your claims.
Yes! http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm

Study it. It is all true facts.
You made the claim here show your evidence here.  Of course you won't, you never do.  Which can only lead us to believe you are a liar and an idiot.
http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm ! Study it.
Yet another fail.  Yep, a liar and an idiot
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on May 14, 2017, 04:09:09 PM
Hm, Don is a treble doctor of pseudoscience inventing fantasies wherever he is; Hollywood, Los Alamos, Antarctica, Disneyland. Imagine this clown doing dental surgery ... in a hole in snow ... when he is not developing nuclear micro arms. The ultimate NASA twirp.
Anders, why do you say such stupid things?  ???
Anyone claiming to be an asstronut, doing magic tricks in space, designing nuclear arms at NM and doing dental surgery at snowy Antarctica must be doctor of pseudoscience many times over.
So you're saying that dental surgery is pseudoscience? ???
Yes, when Don Pettit does it in the snow of Antartica. Don learnt it at the NAXA University of Arizona. It teaches plenty pseudoscience.
Who said that he did the dental surgery in the snow?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on May 14, 2017, 04:58:15 PM
Heiwa why do you say such stupid things?  ???
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 14, 2017, 10:26:18 PM
Heiwa why do you say such stupid things?  ???
Stupid? Anyone stating she/he has been in space is a silly, lying fool paid like a prostitute. Human space travel is as fake as nuclear weapons.
Use your brains if any.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: disputeone on May 14, 2017, 10:30:15 PM
Pay me.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on May 15, 2017, 05:31:46 AM
Heiwa why do you say such stupid things?  ???
Stupid? Anyone stating she/he has been in space is a silly, lying fool paid like a prostitute. Human space travel is as fake as nuclear weapons.
Use your brains if any.
And yet you knowingly invest in a company that supports manned space flight with resupply missions to the ISS.  What does that make you?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 15, 2017, 07:12:58 AM
Heiwa why do you say such stupid things?  ???
Stupid? Anyone stating she/he has been in space is a silly, lying fool paid like a prostitute. Human space travel is as fake as nuclear weapons.
Use your brains if any.
And yet you knowingly invest in a company that supports manned space flight with resupply missions to the ISS.  What does that make you?

Hm, Arianespace just sends unmanned satellites into orbits. If EXA pays and says that they arrive at the fake IFS, what's the problem? You do not argue with your criminal clients.

Anyway, it will not last. The NAXA/JPL clowns like Don Pettit & Co cannot invent new magic tricks and dead planets out of the empty Universe forever. Even if the University of Arizona honors them with free, fake PhDs.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on May 16, 2017, 08:45:29 PM
Why do you say such stupid things? ???
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: onebigmonkey on May 16, 2017, 09:18:19 PM
http://www.arianespace.com/vehicle/soyuz/

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The medium-lift Soyuz entered service from Europe’s Spaceport in French Guiana during 2011, bringing the industry's longest-operating launcher to the world's most modern launch base. Soyuz is a four-stage launcher, designed to extremely high reliability levels for its use in manned missions.


Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on May 16, 2017, 09:21:03 PM
Heiwa why do you say such stupid things?  ???
Stupid? Anyone stating she/he has been in space is a silly, lying fool paid like a prostitute. Human space travel is as fake as nuclear weapons.
Use your brains if any.
And yet you knowingly invest in a company that supports manned space flight with resupply missions to the ISS.  What does that make you?

Hm, Arianespace just sends unmanned satellites into orbits. If EXA pays and says that they arrive at the fake IFS, what's the problem? You do not argue with your criminal clients.
Hmm...  So you're okay with aiding abetting a criminal organization?

Anyway, it will not last. The NAXA/JPL clowns like Don Pettit & Co cannot invent new magic tricks and dead planets out of the empty Universe forever. Even if the University of Arizona honors them with free, fake PhDs.
Why do you hate science so much?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 16, 2017, 09:39:28 PM
Heiwa why do you say such stupid things?  ???
Stupid? Anyone stating she/he has been in space is a silly, lying fool paid like a prostitute. Human space travel is as fake as nuclear weapons.
Use your brains if any.
And yet you knowingly invest in a company that supports manned space flight with resupply missions to the ISS.  What does that make you?

Hm, Arianespace just sends unmanned satellites into orbits. If EXA pays and says that they arrive at the fake IFS, what's the problem? You do not argue with your criminal clients.
Hmm...  So you're okay with aiding abetting a criminal organization?

Anyway, it will not last. The NAXA/JPL clowns like Don Pettit & Co cannot invent new magic tricks and dead planets out of the empty Universe forever. Even if the University of Arizona honors them with free, fake PhDs.
Why do you hate science so much?

I love science being an educated, recognized scientist. But I do not like fake news and pseudoscience like nuclear arms, manned space flights, towers collapsing from top by gravity, bow visors falling off ships and fusion on Earth. http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: disputeone on May 17, 2017, 01:55:48 AM
Why do you hate science so much?

I actually think he is paid for it. Making himself and his ideas look stupid that is. He plays the part well.

Meanwhile.

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on May 17, 2017, 04:18:34 AM
Why do you hate science so much?

I actually think he is paid for it. Making himself and his ideas look stupid that is. He plays the part well.

Meanwhile.



Why are you under the impression everyone's paid by everyone? And why do you think anyone cares about FES?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on May 17, 2017, 07:27:28 AM
Heiwa why do you say such stupid things?  ???
Stupid? Anyone stating she/he has been in space is a silly, lying fool paid like a prostitute. Human space travel is as fake as nuclear weapons.
Use your brains if any.
Prove it.  Back up your statements here, where you made them not on your obnoxious website.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on May 17, 2017, 07:29:28 AM
http://onebigmonkey.com/apollo/apollo.html ! Study it.
Cool website btw
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on May 17, 2017, 07:31:33 AM
Heiwa why do you say such stupid things?  ???
Stupid? Anyone stating she/he has been in space is a silly, lying fool paid like a prostitute. Human space travel is as fake as nuclear weapons.
Use your brains if any.
And yet you knowingly invest in a company that supports manned space flight with resupply missions to the ISS.  What does that make you?

Hm, Arianespace just sends unmanned satellites into orbits. If EXA pays and says that they arrive at the fake IFS, what's the problem? You do not argue with your criminal clients.
Hmm...  So you're okay with aiding abetting a criminal organization?

Anyway, it will not last. The NAXA/JPL clowns like Don Pettit & Co cannot invent new magic tricks and dead planets out of the empty Universe forever. Even if the University of Arizona honors them with free, fake PhDs.
Why do you hate science so much?

I love science being an educated, recognized scientist. But I do not like fake news and pseudoscience like nuclear arms, manned space flights, towers collapsing from top by gravity, bow visors falling off ships and fusion on Earth. http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm
Apparently the only thing you are recognized for, scientifically speaking, is being unscientific
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 17, 2017, 07:55:12 AM
Heiwa why do you say such stupid things?  ???
Stupid? Anyone stating she/he has been in space is a silly, lying fool paid like a prostitute. Human space travel is as fake as nuclear weapons.
Use your brains if any.
Prove it.  Back up your statements here, where you made them not on your obnoxious website.

Have you ever seen anything destroyed by a nuclear weapon in peace (testing) and war (to win it)?

Testing nuclear weapons seem only to be footage of FLASHES followed by no destruction of any kind.

It is suggested that a-bombs destroyed Hiroshima and Nagasaki August 1945 but anyone concerned knows the towns were destroyed months before by standard napalm carpet bombing. After that no nuclear weapons have ever been used un any war. Reason is that they do not work. They are just propaganda. North Korea is good at it.

Re manned space travel I have only seen various footage of people on the Moon and in the International Space Station but the footage is fake. No doubt about it. Trick films, IMHO. If you ask for details how much fuel is used fo a trip, you never get a real answer. If you ask for details about landings on Earth at 8000-11000 m/s speed, the only answer is that you brake using a heat shield. If you study a heat shield you find that it is made of plastic and burns at 250C. It cannot brake anything.

In spite of this plenty stupid people believe in nuclear weapons and manned space travel. I just feel sorry for them. They are totally brain washed.

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on May 17, 2017, 09:17:12 AM
Heiwa why do you say such stupid things?  ???
Stupid? Anyone stating she/he has been in space is a silly, lying fool paid like a prostitute. Human space travel is as fake as nuclear weapons.
Use your brains if any.
Prove it.  Back up your statements here, where you made them not on your obnoxious website.

Have you ever seen anything destroyed by a nuclear weapon in peace (testing) and war (to win it)?

Testing nuclear weapons seem only to be footage of FLASHES followed by no destruction of any kind.

It is suggested that a-bombs destroyed Hiroshima and Nagasaki August 1945 but anyone concerned knows the towns were destroyed months before by standard napalm carpet bombing. After that no nuclear weapons have ever been used un any war. Reason is that they do not work. They are just propaganda. North Korea is good at it.

Re manned space travel I have only seen various footage of people on the Moon and in the International Space Station but the footage is fake. No doubt about it. Trick films, IMHO. If you ask for details how much fuel is used fo a trip, you never get a real answer. If you ask for details about landings on Earth at 8000-11000 m/s speed, the only answer is that you brake using a heat shield. If you study a heat shield you find that it is made of plastic and burns at 250C. It cannot brake anything.

In spite of this plenty stupid people believe in nuclear weapons and manned space travel. I just feel sorry for them. They are totally brain washed.
Again you offer no evidence to support your position.  And you lie.  You have been given all of that information you just ignore it.  Yet another fail.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Kami on May 17, 2017, 11:57:13 AM
Heiwa why do you say such stupid things?  ???
Stupid? Anyone stating she/he has been in space is a silly, lying fool paid like a prostitute. Human space travel is as fake as nuclear weapons.
Use your brains if any.
Prove it.  Back up your statements here, where you made them not on your obnoxious website.

Have you ever seen anything destroyed by a nuclear weapon in peace (testing) and war (to win it)?
No. Does that prove anything?
Quote
Testing nuclear weapons seem only to be footage of FLASHES followed by no destruction of any kind.

It is suggested that a-bombs destroyed Hiroshima and Nagasaki August 1945 but anyone concerned knows the towns were destroyed months before by standard napalm carpet bombing. After that no nuclear weapons have ever been used un any war. Reason is that they do not work. They are just propaganda. North Korea is good at it.
Any evidence for that?
Quote
Re manned space travel I have only seen various footage of people on the Moon and in the International Space Station but the footage is fake. No doubt about it. Trick films, IMHO.
Any evidence for that?
Quote
If you ask for details how much fuel is used fo a trip, you never get a real answer. If you ask for details about landings on Earth at 8000-11000 m/s speed, the only answer is that you brake using a heat shield. If you study a heat shield you find that it is made of plastic and burns at 250C. It cannot brake anything.
A heat shield is meant to burn. It is an isolating layer slowly burning away. It is designed that it lasts until the spacecraft has slowed down.
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In spite of this plenty stupid people believe in nuclear weapons and manned space travel. I just feel sorry for them. They are totally brain washed.
Sure. Whatever.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on May 17, 2017, 03:05:47 PM
Heiwa why do you say such stupid things?  ???
Stupid? Anyone stating she/he has been in space is a silly, lying fool paid like a prostitute. Human space travel is as fake as nuclear weapons.
Use your brains if any.
Prove it.  Back up your statements here, where you made them not on your obnoxious website.

Have you ever seen anything destroyed by a nuclear weapon in peace (testing) and war (to win it)?
I have not personally seen it, but there were plenty of witnesses that survived the Hiroshima and Nagasaki blasts.  There were also plenty of military personnel who witnessed above ground tests in the '40s and '50s.

Testing nuclear weapons seem only to be footage of FLASHES followed by no destruction of any kind.
??? ??? ???  Are you saying that you've never seen films of tests like these?


It is suggested that a-bombs destroyed Hiroshima and Nagasaki August 1945 but anyone concerned knows the towns were destroyed months before by standard napalm carpet bombing.
Actually, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and other potential targets were left alone in the months leading up to the atomic bombings.

After that no nuclear weapons have ever been used un any war. Reason is that they do not work. They are just propaganda. North Korea is good at it.
Actually there are a few reasons why.  First of all, there haven't been any wars on the scale of WWII since 1945.  Secondly, after Russia got nukes, it didn't take very long to figure out that US and Russia tossing nukes back and forth would be a very bad thing for everyone.

BTW, from what I heard, Nixon was kicking around the idea of using nukes in Viet Nam.

Re manned space travel I have only seen various footage of people on the Moon and in the International Space Station but the footage is fake. No doubt about it. Trick films, IMHO. If you ask for details how much fuel is used fo a trip, you never get a real answer.
We have provided links to detailed mission reports that tell you exactly how much fuel was used.

If you ask for details about landings on Earth at 8000-11000 m/s speed, the only answer is that you brake using a heat shield. If you study a heat shield you find that it is made of plastic and burns at 250C. It cannot brake anything.
We have also provided links to text books explaining how to design atmospheric reentry scenarios.

In spite of this plenty stupid people believe in nuclear weapons and manned space travel. I just feel sorry for them. They are totally brain washed.
That's alright, in spite of you claiming to be an engineer, many of us feel sorry for you and your inability to understand basic concepts of nuclear fission and rocket science.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: disputeone on May 17, 2017, 03:13:05 PM
Why do you hate science so much?

I actually think he is paid for it. Making himself and his ideas look stupid that is. He plays the part well.

Meanwhile.



Why are you under the impression everyone's paid by everyone? And why do you think anyone cares about FES?

Not everyone.

I have my reasons to distrust Heiwa. I can share them if you like.

He actually is an engineer also which furthers my suspicions.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: frenat on May 17, 2017, 03:15:56 PM
Heiwa why do you say such stupid things?  ???
Stupid? Anyone stating she/he has been in space is a silly, lying fool paid like a prostitute. Human space travel is as fake as nuclear weapons.
Use your brains if any.
Prove it.  Back up your statements here, where you made them not on your obnoxious website.

Have you ever seen anything destroyed by a nuclear weapon in peace (testing) and war (to win it)?
I have not personally seen it, but there were plenty of witnesses that survived the Hiroshima and Nagasaki blasts.  There were also plenty of military personnel who witnessed above ground tests in the '40s and '50s.
And plenty of tests that were visible from Vegas in the 50's.  It became a tourist attraction.  Guess that's thousands of more people that have to be in on it.
http://www.citylab.com/politics/2014/08/atomic-tests-were-a-tourist-draw-in-1950s-las-vegas/375802/
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/a20536/who-are-you-miss-atomic-bomb/
http://www.upworthy.com/9-strange-but-true-photos-that-capture-las-vegas-brief-love-affair-with-nuclear-bombs
http://knowledgenuts.com/2013/11/11/the-forgotten-atomic-bomb-parties-of-las-vegas/
http://io9.gizmodo.com/5902390/wild-vegas-parties-celebrated-atomic-bomb-tests-of-the-1950s

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 17, 2017, 06:56:02 PM
Heiwa why do you say such stupid things?  ???
Stupid? Anyone stating she/he has been in space is a silly, lying fool paid like a prostitute. Human space travel is as fake as nuclear weapons.
Use your brains if any.
Prove it.  Back up your statements here, where you made them not on your obnoxious website.

Have you ever seen anything destroyed by a nuclear weapon in peace (testing) and war (to win it)?
I have not personally seen it, but there were plenty of witnesses that survived the Hiroshima and Nagasaki blasts.  There were also plenty of military personnel who witnessed above ground tests in the '40s and '50s.

Testing nuclear weapons seem only to be footage of FLASHES followed by no destruction of any kind.
??? ??? ???  Are you saying that you've never seen films of tests like these?



Of course I have seen it! So the footage proves that instant militart destrcutive fission, i..e. a-bombs work? But it is just trick film! Like everything else shown about a-bombs in the 1940/50's. It was produced to scare you. Nothing else. IMO it proves what I say. Nuclear weapons are fake from the start. Just propaganda.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 17, 2017, 06:58:15 PM


I have my reasons to distrust Heiwa. I can share them if you like.

He actually is an engineer also which furthers my suspicions.

Please tell me about your distrust.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on May 17, 2017, 08:25:40 PM
Testing nuclear weapons seem only to be footage of FLASHES followed by no destruction of any kind.
??? ??? ???  Are you saying that you've never seen films of tests like these?



Of course I have seen it! So the footage proves that instant militart destrcutive fission, i..e. a-bombs work? But it is just trick film! Like everything else shown about a-bombs in the 1940/50's. It was produced to scare you. Nothing else. IMO it proves what I say. Nuclear weapons are fake from the start. Just propaganda.
Why do I get the feeling that you still wouldn't believe in atomic bombs even if you were vaporized by one? ::)
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: disputeone on May 17, 2017, 08:34:36 PM


I have my reasons to distrust Heiwa. I can share them if you like.

He actually is an engineer also which furthers my suspicions.

Please tell me about your distrust.

You raise a very valid and relevant point here.

Quote
The engineers find it difficult to believe the government’s claim that scattered fires brought about such an orderly collapse. Failure of heat-weakened steel would show “large deflection, asymmetric local failure, and slow progress,” David Scott, C.Eng., a chartered consulting structural engineer in the UK, told colleagues at the Institution of Structural Engineers in the UK. It’s “a gradual process,” agrees Anders Björkman, and “cannot be simultaneous everywhere.” A Swedish naval architect and marine engineer working in France, Björkman maintains that failures “will always be local and topple the mass above in the direction of the local collapse.”

http://www.ae911truth.org/news/199-news-media-events-60-structural-engineers.html

You are, of course, correct.

You then go on to discredit everything you say by claiming the towers were holgrams / cgi.

Furthermore you destroy any credibility you have left by parroting demonstrably incorrect physics in your "moon landing challenge." Also going on about the impossibility of sex in shpayze.

I'm not even going to touch your "nuclear challenge"

So in my eyes you make a totally correct statement, then you go in to destroy your credibility (a lot of posters would say on purpose.) And the credibilty of your arguments.

Why do it? It seems to me like you are doing a great job of making any alternative hypothesis look as stupid as you make yourself look.

That is all, fault my logic, if you like.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 17, 2017, 10:37:17 PM


I have my reasons to distrust Heiwa. I can share them if you like.

He actually is an engineer also which furthers my suspicions.

Please tell me about your distrust.

You raise a very valid and relevant point here.

Quote
The engineers find it difficult to believe the government’s claim that scattered fires brought about such an orderly collapse. Failure of heat-weakened steel would show “large deflection, asymmetric local failure, and slow progress,” David Scott, C.Eng., a chartered consulting structural engineer in the UK, told colleagues at the Institution of Structural Engineers in the UK. It’s “a gradual process,” agrees Anders Björkman, and “cannot be simultaneous everywhere.” A Swedish naval architect and marine engineer working in France, Björkman maintains that failures “will always be local and topple the mass above in the direction of the local collapse.”

http://www.ae911truth.org/news/199-news-media-events-60-structural-engineers.html

You are, of course, correct.

You then go on to discredit everything you say by claiming the towers were holgrams / cgi.

Furthermore you destroy any credibility you have left by parroting demonstrably incorrect physics in your "moon landing challenge." Also going on about the impossibility of sex in shpayze.

I'm not even going to touch your "nuclear challenge"

So in my eyes you make a totally correct statement, then you go in to destroy your credibility (a lot of posters would say on purpose.) And the credibilty of your arguments.

Why do it? It seems to me like you are doing a great job of making any alternative hypothesis look as stupid as you make yourself look.

That is all, fault my logic, if you like.
Thanks for clarifications.
Re 911 I only suggest that a small, weak top A of a structure cannot by gravity crush the intact, solid, strong bottom part C, which keeps it in place even after dropping A on C. I have shown it scientifically. So I suggest that any footage showing A crushing C is fake (even if plenty people are running around in the footage while A crushes C). Footage is easy to fake. Part B is a small part between top A and bottom C. It fails so A drops by gravity on C.

Same with men on the Moon. All footage of men on the Moon is fake and produced in studios on Earth! Easy to fake! And then you back it up with (http://heiwaco.com/apnyt.gif)

You see how easy it is!

Same with nuclear weapons:

(http://heiwaco.com/NYT1945.gif)

Easy as a pie!

You were mentioning 911!

(http://heiwaco.com/NYT911.jpg)

Just because something is mentioned on the first page of a newspaper, it doesn't mean that it happened.

See what I mean?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: disputeone on May 17, 2017, 10:40:34 PM
Yes yes, everything is cgi, you do your thing man.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 17, 2017, 10:53:05 PM
Yes yes, everything is cgi, you do your thing man.

No, my thing is to explain how you fake reality by propaganda. I have done it myself when I was in the military. 1970 I told representatives of the enemy how clever we were to beat them. And they never attacked us. I didn't use cgi to do it.

Anyway, it seems plenty people with funny names at this forum are totally brainwashed by propaganda of all types.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: onebigmonkey on May 17, 2017, 11:34:18 PM
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Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 17, 2017, 11:43:17 PM
. . . my thing is to  . . . fake reality by propaganda.

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Kami on May 18, 2017, 04:50:15 AM
If anyone ever asks me for an example of circular reasoning I will link them to heiwa. A-bombs do not exist. Therefore the footage is faked. Therefore A-bombs do not exist. Excellent piece of logic.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on May 18, 2017, 05:38:09 AM
Anyway, it seems plenty people with funny names at this forum are totally brainwashed by propaganda of all types.
How do you tell the difference real news and propaganda?

How do you know that you aren't the one brainwashed by your own propaganda?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 18, 2017, 05:44:52 AM
If anyone ever asks me for an example of circular reasoning I will link them to heiwa. A-bombs do not exist. Therefore the footage is faked. Therefore A-bombs do not exist. Excellent piece of logic.

? End 1944 USA started terror fire bombing Japanese towns of no real military value. By end July 1945 or seven months later >60 big Japanese towns had been burnt down. But by chance USA Army had forgotten to wipe out the big ports of Nagasaki and Hiroshima with their important military industrial complexes. This is the official story established afterwards.
But then USA had developed and tested their a-bombs and ... they were used to vaporize both Hiroshima and Nagasaki in  nano-seconds August 1945. It was the first and last time nuclear weapons have been used in war according official history established by winner (and loser).
IMHO official history is just propaganda. Nagasaki and Hiroshima were fire bombed already spring 1945 but to cover up the fact that a-bombs don't work, they were used as official a-bomb targets August 1945. Footage of fire bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki were later used as evidence (LOL) that a-bombs work.

Only brain washed people believe/love a-bombs and manned space travel and arabs landing in NY skyscrapers. I just feel sorry for these fools.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 18, 2017, 05:56:38 AM
Anyway, it seems plenty people with funny names at this forum are totally brainwashed by propaganda of all types.
How do you tell the difference real news and propaganda?

How do you know that you aren't the one brainwashed by your own propaganda?

Thanks for asking.

I personally check the records, verify any scientific research and ask people involved.

Re instantaneous, military fission that transforms pure metal into radiation in a FLASH (the a-bomb) that lasts nanoseconds, it is pure pseudoscience, IMO. Fission is something completely different. Friends of mine were involved in that fake business building a bombs for Sweden and Stalin. Anyway ... after 8/1945 no a-bombs have been used in battle. 1000's of fake tests have been done ... all propaganda.

Re manned space travel it was a very popular business late 1950's, early 1960's with 1000's of people getting involved to make money out of it. We were all told it was a piece of cake to fly in space. But then everything became military secret for national security reasons and manned space travel became a closed shop for some fanatics. The only result was propaganda of successful trips ... of no value at all just costing a lot of money.

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on May 18, 2017, 05:58:17 AM
Heiwa why do you say such stupid things?  ???
Stupid? Anyone stating she/he has been in space is a silly, lying fool paid like a prostitute. Human space travel is as fake as nuclear weapons.
Use your brains if any.
Prove it.  Back up your statements here, where you made them not on your obnoxious website.

Have you ever seen anything destroyed by a nuclear weapon in peace (testing) and war (to win it)?
I have not personally seen it, but there were plenty of witnesses that survived the Hiroshima and Nagasaki blasts.  There were also plenty of military personnel who witnessed above ground tests in the '40s and '50s.

Testing nuclear weapons seem only to be footage of FLASHES followed by no destruction of any kind.
??? ??? ???  Are you saying that you've never seen films of tests like these?



Of course I have seen it! So the footage proves that instant militart destrcutive fission, i..e. a-bombs work? But it is just trick film! Like everything else shown about a-bombs in the 1940/50's. It was produced to scare you. Nothing else. IMO it proves what I say. Nuclear weapons are fake from the start. Just propaganda.
Prove it or shut up.  You have failed again.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on May 18, 2017, 06:01:36 AM
If anyone ever asks me for an example of circular reasoning I will link them to heiwa. A-bombs do not exist. Therefore the footage is faked. Therefore A-bombs do not exist. Excellent piece of logic.

? End 1944 USA started terror fire bombing Japanese towns of no real military value. By end July 1945 or seven months later >60 big Japanese towns had been burnt down. But by chance USA Army had forgotten to wipe out the big ports of Nagasaki and Hiroshima with their important military industrial complexes. This is the official story established afterwards.
But then USA had developed and tested their a-bombs and ... they were used to vaporize both Hiroshima and Nagasaki in  nano-seconds August 1945. It was the first and last time nuclear weapons have been used in war according official history established by winner (and loser).
IMHO official history is just propaganda. Nagasaki and Hiroshima were fire bombed already spring 1945 but to cover up the fact that a-bombs don't work, they were used as official a-bomb targets August 1945. Footage of fire bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki were later used as evidence (LOL) that a-bombs work.

Only brain washed people believe/love a-bombs and manned space travel and arabs landing in NY skyscrapers. I just feel sorry for these fools.
You just did it again.  No evidence, just you making a claim.
More failure by you.  Sad really
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 18, 2017, 06:45:01 AM
Heiwa why do you say such stupid things?  ???
Stupid? Anyone stating she/he has been in space is a silly, lying fool paid like a prostitute. Human space travel is as fake as nuclear weapons.
Use your brains if any.
Prove it.  Back up your statements here, where you made them not on your obnoxious website.

Have you ever seen anything destroyed by a nuclear weapon in peace (testing) and war (to win it)?
I have not personally seen it, but there were plenty of witnesses that survived the Hiroshima and Nagasaki blasts.  There were also plenty of military personnel who witnessed above ground tests in the '40s and '50s.

Testing nuclear weapons seem only to be footage of FLASHES followed by no destruction of any kind.
??? ??? ???  Are you saying that you've never seen films of tests like these?



Of course I have seen it! So the footage proves that instant militart destrcutive fission, i..e. a-bombs work? But it is just trick film! Like everything else shown about a-bombs in the 1940/50's. It was produced to scare you. Nothing else. IMO it proves what I say. Nuclear weapons are fake from the start. Just propaganda.
Prove it or shut up.  You have failed again.
Yes - I have seen the movie! The house catches fire and flies away. I see it. Very strange. It is suggested that an a-bomb exploded on the other side of the street but ... I didn't see it. Not even the camera caught the exploding a-bomb.
I have always wondered who took the film and why he/she + camera were not v a p o r i z e d! I am told that a-bombs vaporize everything in the vicinity and that the r a d i a t i o n  kills everyone hanging around.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on May 18, 2017, 09:01:47 AM
Heiwa why do you say such stupid things?  ???
Stupid? Anyone stating she/he has been in space is a silly, lying fool paid like a prostitute. Human space travel is as fake as nuclear weapons.
Use your brains if any.
Prove it.  Back up your statements here, where you made them not on your obnoxious website.

Have you ever seen anything destroyed by a nuclear weapon in peace (testing) and war (to win it)?
I have not personally seen it, but there were plenty of witnesses that survived the Hiroshima and Nagasaki blasts.  There were also plenty of military personnel who witnessed above ground tests in the '40s and '50s.

Testing nuclear weapons seem only to be footage of FLASHES followed by no destruction of any kind.
??? ??? ???  Are you saying that you've never seen films of tests like these?



Of course I have seen it! So the footage proves that instant militart destrcutive fission, i..e. a-bombs work? But it is just trick film! Like everything else shown about a-bombs in the 1940/50's. It was produced to scare you. Nothing else. IMO it proves what I say. Nuclear weapons are fake from the start. Just propaganda.
Prove it or shut up.  You have failed again.
Yes - I have seen the movie! The house catches fire and flies away. I see it. Very strange. It is suggested that an a-bomb exploded on the other side of the street but ... I didn't see it. Not even the camera caught the exploding a-bomb.
I have always wondered who took the film and why he/she + camera were not v a p o r i z e d! I am told that a-bombs vaporize everything in the vicinity and that the r a d i a t i o n  kills everyone hanging around.
Fine.  Prove it's fake.  Just another failure.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on May 18, 2017, 10:48:04 AM
Heiwa why do you say such stupid things?  ???
Stupid? Anyone stating she/he has been in space is a silly, lying fool paid like a prostitute. Human space travel is as fake as nuclear weapons.
Use your brains if any.
Prove it.  Back up your statements here, where you made them not on your obnoxious website.

Have you ever seen anything destroyed by a nuclear weapon in peace (testing) and war (to win it)?
I have not personally seen it, but there were plenty of witnesses that survived the Hiroshima and Nagasaki blasts.  There were also plenty of military personnel who witnessed above ground tests in the '40s and '50s.

Testing nuclear weapons seem only to be footage of FLASHES followed by no destruction of any kind.
??? ??? ???  Are you saying that you've never seen films of tests like these?



Of course I have seen it! So the footage proves that instant militart destrcutive fission, i..e. a-bombs work? But it is just trick film! Like everything else shown about a-bombs in the 1940/50's. It was produced to scare you. Nothing else. IMO it proves what I say. Nuclear weapons are fake from the start. Just propaganda.
Prove it or shut up.  You have failed again.
Yes - I have seen the movie! The house catches fire and flies away. I see it. Very strange. It is suggested that an a-bomb exploded on the other side of the street but ... I didn't see it. Not even the camera caught the exploding a-bomb.
I have always wondered who took the film and why he/she + camera were not v a p o r i z e d! I am told that a-bombs vaporize everything in the vicinity and that the r a d i a t i o n  kills everyone hanging around.

That's like watching underwater footage and saying "That's fake! People need air and cameras don't work under water!".
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Dog on May 18, 2017, 02:29:09 PM
(....) IMO (....)

Whew. It sure is a good thing science doesn't care about your opinion.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 19, 2017, 07:58:47 PM
Heiwa why do you say such stupid things?  ???
Stupid? Anyone stating she/he has been in space is a silly, lying fool paid like a prostitute. Human space travel is as fake as nuclear weapons.
Use your brains if any.
Prove it.  Back up your statements here, where you made them not on your obnoxious website.

Have you ever seen anything destroyed by a nuclear weapon in peace (testing) and war (to win it)?
I have not personally seen it, but there were plenty of witnesses that survived the Hiroshima and Nagasaki blasts.  There were also plenty of military personnel who witnessed above ground tests in the '40s and '50s.

Testing nuclear weapons seem only to be footage of FLASHES followed by no destruction of any kind.
??? ??? ???  Are you saying that you've never seen films of tests like these?



Of course I have seen it! So the footage proves that instant militart destrcutive fission, i..e. a-bombs work? But it is just trick film! Like everything else shown about a-bombs in the 1940/50's. It was produced to scare you. Nothing else. IMO it proves what I say. Nuclear weapons are fake from the start. Just propaganda.
Prove it or shut up.  You have failed again.
Yes - I have seen the movie! The house catches fire and flies away. I see it. Very strange. It is suggested that an a-bomb exploded on the other side of the street but ... I didn't see it. Not even the camera caught the exploding a-bomb.
I have always wondered who took the film and why he/she + camera were not v a p o r i z e d! I am told that a-bombs vaporize everything in the vicinity and that the r a d i a t i o n  kills everyone hanging around.

That's like watching underwater footage and saying "That's fake! People need air and cameras don't work under water!".

You are right! Sending an underwater craft to 10 000 m below water is probably fake too like all manned flights in space. You have to verify the details of the claims. Do not rely on some flimsy footage of anything, e.g. a lunar lander on the Moon. It is much easier to do it in a studio on Earth.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on May 20, 2017, 12:10:04 AM
Heiwa why do you say such stupid things?  ???
Stupid? Anyone stating she/he has been in space is a silly, lying fool paid like a prostitute. Human space travel is as fake as nuclear weapons.
Use your brains if any.
Prove it.  Back up your statements here, where you made them not on your obnoxious website.

Have you ever seen anything destroyed by a nuclear weapon in peace (testing) and war (to win it)?
I have not personally seen it, but there were plenty of witnesses that survived the Hiroshima and Nagasaki blasts.  There were also plenty of military personnel who witnessed above ground tests in the '40s and '50s.

Testing nuclear weapons seem only to be footage of FLASHES followed by no destruction of any kind.
??? ??? ???  Are you saying that you've never seen films of tests like these?



Of course I have seen it! So the footage proves that instant militart destrcutive fission, i..e. a-bombs work? But it is just trick film! Like everything else shown about a-bombs in the 1940/50's. It was produced to scare you. Nothing else. IMO it proves what I say. Nuclear weapons are fake from the start. Just propaganda.
Prove it or shut up.  You have failed again.
Yes - I have seen the movie! The house catches fire and flies away. I see it. Very strange. It is suggested that an a-bomb exploded on the other side of the street but ... I didn't see it. Not even the camera caught the exploding a-bomb.
I have always wondered who took the film and why he/she + camera were not v a p o r i z e d! I am told that a-bombs vaporize everything in the vicinity and that the r a d i a t i o n  kills everyone hanging around.

That's like watching underwater footage and saying "That's fake! People need air and cameras don't work under water!".

You are right! Sending an underwater craft to 10 000 m below water is probably fake too like all manned flights in space. You have to verify the details of the claims. Do not rely on some flimsy footage of anything, e.g. a lunar lander on the Moon. It is much easier to do it in a studio on Earth.

Can you point to anywhere in DNO's quote that he specified a depth of 10, 000 m?

Why do you say such stupid things?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: onebigmonkey on May 20, 2017, 01:00:57 AM

Can you point to anywhere in DNO's quote that he specified a depth of 10, 000 m?

Heiwa denies the reality of the Trieste expedition to the Marianas Trench. He does this mostly by saying "It's a fake". Therefore everything is fake because plenty reasons.

Quote
Why do you say such stupid things?

Because he's an idiot who exists in a delusional fantasy world.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 20, 2017, 02:59:43 AM

Can you point to anywhere in DNO's quote that he specified a depth of 10, 000 m?

Heiwa denies the reality of the Trieste expedition to the Marianas Trench. He does this mostly by saying "It's a fake". Therefore everything is fake because plenty reasons.

? Plenty people claim plenty things, like Alexander Humboldt. Ever heard of him? He lived >200 years ago around the corner from me at Freiberg, when I lived there.
Alexander suggested he and a friend had  climbed Aconcagua and many other high mountains 200 years ago - they were the astronuts of their times - but media was not there to check anything. Media just reported it as ... FAKE NEWS!
Yes, Alex & Co had seen the mountains from afar ... and that was it.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: onebigmonkey on May 20, 2017, 04:49:04 AM
See what I mean?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on May 20, 2017, 04:57:46 AM
Heiwa why do you say such stupid things?  ???
Stupid? Anyone stating she/he has been in space is a silly, lying fool paid like a prostitute. Human space travel is as fake as nuclear weapons.
Use your brains if any.
Prove it.  Back up your statements here, where you made them not on your obnoxious website.

Have you ever seen anything destroyed by a nuclear weapon in peace (testing) and war (to win it)?
I have not personally seen it, but there were plenty of witnesses that survived the Hiroshima and Nagasaki blasts.  There were also plenty of military personnel who witnessed above ground tests in the '40s and '50s.

Testing nuclear weapons seem only to be footage of FLASHES followed by no destruction of any kind.
??? ??? ???  Are you saying that you've never seen films of tests like these?



Of course I have seen it! So the footage proves that instant militart destrcutive fission, i..e. a-bombs work? But it is just trick film! Like everything else shown about a-bombs in the 1940/50's. It was produced to scare you. Nothing else. IMO it proves what I say. Nuclear weapons are fake from the start. Just propaganda.
Prove it or shut up.  You have failed again.
Yes - I have seen the movie! The house catches fire and flies away. I see it. Very strange. It is suggested that an a-bomb exploded on the other side of the street but ... I didn't see it. Not even the camera caught the exploding a-bomb.
I have always wondered who took the film and why he/she + camera were not v a p o r i z e d! I am told that a-bombs vaporize everything in the vicinity and that the r a d i a t i o n  kills everyone hanging around.

That's like watching underwater footage and saying "That's fake! People need air and cameras don't work under water!".

You are right! Sending an underwater craft to 10 000 m below water is probably fake too like all manned flights in space. You have to verify the details of the claims. Do not rely on some flimsy footage of anything, e.g. a lunar lander on the Moon. It is much easier to do it in a studio on Earth.

Sigh.

I guess that's why I'm not a millionaire. I'm not THAT dense.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on May 20, 2017, 06:43:12 AM

Can you point to anywhere in DNO's quote that he specified a depth of 10, 000 m?

Heiwa denies the reality of the Trieste expedition to the Marianas Trench. He does this mostly by saying "It's a fake". Therefore everything is fake because plenty reasons.

? Plenty people claim plenty things, like Alexander Humboldt. Ever heard of him? He lived >200 years ago around the corner from me at Freiberg, when I lived there.
Alexander suggested he and a friend had  climbed Aconcagua and many other high mountains 200 years ago - they were the astronuts of their times - but media was not there to check anything. Media just reported it as ... FAKE NEWS!
Yes, Alex & Co had seen the mountains from afar ... and that was it.
Back to your lack of knowledge on orbital mechanics.  Can you support any of your claims about space travel with actual evidence?  Can you show such evidence here, in this forum where you made those claims without linking to your pathetic website?
Or will simply fail again.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 20, 2017, 07:32:31 AM

Can you point to anywhere in DNO's quote that he specified a depth of 10, 000 m?

Heiwa denies the reality of the Trieste expedition to the Marianas Trench. He does this mostly by saying "It's a fake". Therefore everything is fake because plenty reasons.

? Plenty people claim plenty things, like Alexander Humboldt. Ever heard of him? He lived >200 years ago around the corner from me at Freiberg, when I lived there.
Alexander suggested he and a friend had  climbed Aconcagua and many other high mountains 200 years ago - they were the astronuts of their times - but media was not there to check anything. Media just reported it as ... FAKE NEWS!
Yes, Alex & Co had seen the mountains from afar ... and that was it.
Back to your lack of knowledge on orbital mechanics.  Can you support any of your claims about space travel with actual evidence?  Can you show such evidence here, in this forum where you made those claims without linking to your pathetic website?
Or will simply fail again.
Thanks. There is no lack of orbital mechanics knowledge on my part! It is simple rocket science, as you know.
I explain my claims since many years at http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm , i.e. humans cannot travel in space. It is a big site. Very popular. Downloaded 100 000's of times.

You have to study it. If you think I am wrong I pay you €1M at http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm . My famous CHALLENGE.

I know plenty people say they have travelled or can travel in space but they have all failed my CHALLENGE. I think they simply lie or are totally brain washed. They cannot explain how it is done or how they did it.

What do you think?

Do you think?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on May 20, 2017, 07:49:54 AM

Can you point to anywhere in DNO's quote that he specified a depth of 10, 000 m?

Heiwa denies the reality of the Trieste expedition to the Marianas Trench. He does this mostly by saying "It's a fake". Therefore everything is fake because plenty reasons.

? Plenty people claim plenty things, like Alexander Humboldt. Ever heard of him? He lived >200 years ago around the corner from me at Freiberg, when I lived there.
Alexander suggested he and a friend had  climbed Aconcagua and many other high mountains 200 years ago - they were the astronuts of their times - but media was not there to check anything. Media just reported it as ... FAKE NEWS!
Yes, Alex & Co had seen the mountains from afar ... and that was it.
Back to your lack of knowledge on orbital mechanics.  Can you support any of your claims about space travel with actual evidence?  Can you show such evidence here, in this forum where you made those claims without linking to your pathetic website?
Or will simply fail again.
Thanks. There is no lack of orbital mechanics knowledge on my part! It is simple rocket science, as you know.
I explain my claims since many years at http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm , i.e. humans cannot travel in space. It is a big site. Very popular. Downloaded 100 000's of times.

You have to study it. If you think I am wrong I pay you €1M at http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm . My famous CHALLENGE.

I know plenty people say they have travelled or can travel in space but they have all failed my CHALLENGE. I think they simply lie or are totally brain washed. They cannot explain how it is done or how they did it.

What do you think?

Do you think?
I think you have failed yet again to post any evidence to support your claims.  By the way, no one is interested in your fake challenge.  Just show your evidence here where you are making your claims.
Why is this so hard for you to understand?  Are you really so stupid that you can't grasp that concept or is it that you can't produce the evidence?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: onebigmonkey on May 20, 2017, 08:18:40 AM
If you think I am wrong I pay you €1M

I think you are wrong. Pay up.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 20, 2017, 08:26:13 AM
Orbital mechanics, or rather dynamics – the objects are moving – is very simple at least in our part of the Universe.  Just look at the Moon. There must be both an attractive force and a repulsive force acting between us on Earth and the Moon. The strength of each one is maybe dependent on gravity and the distance between the Earth and the Moon. It seems the Moon orbits Earth elliptically in space. Don't ask me to prove it. Just look up!

On Wikipedia it says the perigee of the Moon is ~362 000 km and the apogee is ~405 000km with the midpoint of this elliptical orbit being ~384 000km from Earth.

Let’s start out at this midpoint with the moon having momentum leading it away from Earth in its orbit. As the Moon gets farther away from Earth beyond 384 000km, the attractive force comes to dominate the repulsive force. Meaning the Moon begins to be net pulled towards the Earth. First the momentum away from the Earth is decelerated until the Moon no longer has any momentum moving away from the Earth at the apogee ~405 000km.

As the attractive force is still dominant at this distance, the Moon begins gaining momentum moving towards Earth in its orbit. Until it builds up some good momentum and passes through the midpoint distance of 384 000km once again, but this time going the other way. You can see it yourself by looking up on the Moon. Use your eyes.

As the Moon travels closer to Earth, now the repulsive force begins to dominate. And gradually the repulsive force chips away at the Moon's momentum towards Earth. Until at ~362 000km the repulsive force has brought the Moon's momentum towards Earth to 0. And now the Moon begins to gain momentum moving away from Earth again. It is a simple example or orbital dynamics!

With this the Moon can remain in orbit of Earth for millions or billions of years. Kepler has explained it. One question remains; wouldn't this going back and forth between repulsive and attractive locations of force in orbit, eventually center the Moon at the midpoint distance. For this, I think the rotation of Earth, and the movement of Earth away from its own midpoint away from the Moon, will keep the Moon from achieving a resting midpoint. Another possibility is the action of other bodies like the Sun on the Earth-Moon system, will keep the system from rest distances. Yet another possibility is the idea of a tendency towards stability is based on observing things on Earth, where there is resistance like air resistance, which that tendency might not be true in space.
Anyway, the easiest way to understand orbital mechanics is to look out of the window and watch the Moon.
Our Solar System was, if you believe what you are told at school or by Wikipedia, formed 4.6 billion years ago from the gravitational collapse of a giant interstellar molecular cloud. Imagine that! It was long before I was born and I am sorry I cannot prove it.

However, if you today, 4.6 billion years later, look further away from the tip of your nose and our Universe or Solar System and study other solar systems or galaxies in the sky above,  you will find that they do not orbit anything and pop up and disappear into nothing at regular intervals not following any rules of gravity and orbital dynamics.

Don't blame me for it.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on May 20, 2017, 08:31:39 AM
Orbital mechanics, or rather dynamics – the objects are moving – is very simple at least in our part of the Universe.  Just look at the Moon. There must be both an attractive force and a repulsive force acting between us on Earth and the Moon. The strength of each one is maybe dependent on gravity and the distance between the Earth and the Moon. It seems the Moon orbits Earth elliptically in space. Don't ask me to prove it. Just look up!

On Wikipedia it says the perigee of the Moon is ~362 000 km and the apogee is ~405 000km with the midpoint of this elliptical orbit being ~384 000km from Earth.

Let’s start out at this midpoint with the moon having momentum leading it away from Earth in its orbit. As the Moon gets farther away from Earth beyond 384 000km, the attractive force comes to dominate the repulsive force. Meaning the Moon begins to be net pulled towards the Earth. First the momentum away from the Earth is decelerated until the Moon no longer has any momentum moving away from the Earth at the apogee ~405 000km.

As the attractive force is still dominant at this distance, the Moon begins gaining momentum moving towards Earth in its orbit. Until it builds up some good momentum and passes through the midpoint distance of 384 000km once again, but this time going the other way. You can see it yourself by looking up on the Moon. Use your eyes.

As the Moon travels closer to Earth, now the repulsive force begins to dominate. And gradually the repulsive force chips away at the Moon's momentum towards Earth. Until at ~362 000km the repulsive force has brought the Moon's momentum towards Earth to 0. And now the Moon begins to gain momentum moving away from Earth again. It is a simple example or orbital dynamics!

With this the Moon can remain in orbit of Earth for millions or billions of years. Kepler has explained it. One question remains; wouldn't this going back and forth between repulsive and attractive locations of force in orbit, eventually center the Moon at the midpoint distance. For this, I think the rotation of Earth, and the movement of Earth away from its own midpoint away from the Moon, will keep the Moon from achieving a resting midpoint. Another possibility is the action of other bodies like the Sun on the Earth-Moon system, will keep the system from rest distances. Yet another possibility is the idea of a tendency towards stability is based on observing things on Earth, where there is resistance like air resistance, which that tendency might not be true in space.
Anyway, the easiest way to understand orbital mechanics is to look out of the window and watch the Moon.
Our Solar System was, if you believe what you are told at school or by Wikipedia, formed 4.6 billion years ago from the gravitational collapse of a giant interstellar molecular cloud. Imagine that! It was long before I was born and I am sorry I cannot prove it.

However, if you today, 4.6 billion years later, look further away from the tip of your nose and our Universe or Solar System and study other solar systems or galaxies in the sky above,  you will find that they do not orbit anything and pop up and disappear into nothing at regular intervals not following any rules of gravity and orbital dynamics.

Don't blame me for it.
Prove it.  Show us these celestial bodies acting in some random fashion.  Show examples of what you are claiming.  Show some actual EVIDENCE.  Again, you fail.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 20, 2017, 08:35:10 AM
Orbital mechanics, or rather dynamics – the objects are moving – is very simple at least in our part of the Universe.  Just look at the Moon. There must be both an attractive force and a repulsive force acting between us on Earth and the Moon. The strength of each one is maybe dependent on gravity and the distance between the Earth and the Moon. It seems the Moon orbits Earth elliptically in space. Don't ask me to prove it. Just look up!

On Wikipedia it says the perigee of the Moon is ~362 000 km and the apogee is ~405 000km with the midpoint of this elliptical orbit being ~384 000km from Earth.

Let’s start out at this midpoint with the moon having momentum leading it away from Earth in its orbit. As the Moon gets farther away from Earth beyond 384 000km, the attractive force comes to dominate the repulsive force. Meaning the Moon begins to be net pulled towards the Earth. First the momentum away from the Earth is decelerated until the Moon no longer has any momentum moving away from the Earth at the apogee ~405 000km.

As the attractive force is still dominant at this distance, the Moon begins gaining momentum moving towards Earth in its orbit. Until it builds up some good momentum and passes through the midpoint distance of 384 000km once again, but this time going the other way. You can see it yourself by looking up on the Moon. Use your eyes.

As the Moon travels closer to Earth, now the repulsive force begins to dominate. And gradually the repulsive force chips away at the Moon's momentum towards Earth. Until at ~362 000km the repulsive force has brought the Moon's momentum towards Earth to 0. And now the Moon begins to gain momentum moving away from Earth again. It is a simple example or orbital dynamics!

With this the Moon can remain in orbit of Earth for millions or billions of years. Kepler has explained it. One question remains; wouldn't this going back and forth between repulsive and attractive locations of force in orbit, eventually center the Moon at the midpoint distance. For this, I think the rotation of Earth, and the movement of Earth away from its own midpoint away from the Moon, will keep the Moon from achieving a resting midpoint. Another possibility is the action of other bodies like the Sun on the Earth-Moon system, will keep the system from rest distances. Yet another possibility is the idea of a tendency towards stability is based on observing things on Earth, where there is resistance like air resistance, which that tendency might not be true in space.
Anyway, the easiest way to understand orbital mechanics is to look out of the window and watch the Moon.
Our Solar System was, if you believe what you are told at school or by Wikipedia, formed 4.6 billion years ago from the gravitational collapse of a giant interstellar molecular cloud. Imagine that! It was long before I was born and I am sorry I cannot prove it.

However, if you today, 4.6 billion years later, look further away from the tip of your nose and our Universe or Solar System and study other solar systems or galaxies in the sky above,  you will find that they do not orbit anything and pop up and disappear into nothing at regular intervals not following any rules of gravity and orbital dynamics.

Don't blame me for it.
Prove it.  Show us these celestial bodies acting in some random fashion.  Show examples of what you are claiming.  Show some actual EVIDENCE.  Again, you fail.
? Can't you look up in the sky? Are you locked up in some asylum without windows?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on May 20, 2017, 08:59:25 AM
Orbital mechanics, or rather dynamics – the objects are moving – is very simple at least in our part of the Universe.  Just look at the Moon. There must be both an attractive force and a repulsive force acting between us on Earth and the Moon. The strength of each one is maybe dependent on gravity and the distance between the Earth and the Moon. It seems the Moon orbits Earth elliptically in space. Don't ask me to prove it. Just look up!

On Wikipedia it says the perigee of the Moon is ~362 000 km and the apogee is ~405 000km with the midpoint of this elliptical orbit being ~384 000km from Earth.

Let’s start out at this midpoint with the moon having momentum leading it away from Earth in its orbit. As the Moon gets farther away from Earth beyond 384 000km, the attractive force comes to dominate the repulsive force. Meaning the Moon begins to be net pulled towards the Earth. First the momentum away from the Earth is decelerated until the Moon no longer has any momentum moving away from the Earth at the apogee ~405 000km.

As the attractive force is still dominant at this distance, the Moon begins gaining momentum moving towards Earth in its orbit. Until it builds up some good momentum and passes through the midpoint distance of 384 000km once again, but this time going the other way. You can see it yourself by looking up on the Moon. Use your eyes.

As the Moon travels closer to Earth, now the repulsive force begins to dominate. And gradually the repulsive force chips away at the Moon's momentum towards Earth. Until at ~362 000km the repulsive force has brought the Moon's momentum towards Earth to 0. And now the Moon begins to gain momentum moving away from Earth again. It is a simple example or orbital dynamics!

With this the Moon can remain in orbit of Earth for millions or billions of years. Kepler has explained it. One question remains; wouldn't this going back and forth between repulsive and attractive locations of force in orbit, eventually center the Moon at the midpoint distance. For this, I think the rotation of Earth, and the movement of Earth away from its own midpoint away from the Moon, will keep the Moon from achieving a resting midpoint. Another possibility is the action of other bodies like the Sun on the Earth-Moon system, will keep the system from rest distances. Yet another possibility is the idea of a tendency towards stability is based on observing things on Earth, where there is resistance like air resistance, which that tendency might not be true in space.
Anyway, the easiest way to understand orbital mechanics is to look out of the window and watch the Moon.
Our Solar System was, if you believe what you are told at school or by Wikipedia, formed 4.6 billion years ago from the gravitational collapse of a giant interstellar molecular cloud. Imagine that! It was long before I was born and I am sorry I cannot prove it.

However, if you today, 4.6 billion years later, look further away from the tip of your nose and our Universe or Solar System and study other solar systems or galaxies in the sky above,  you will find that they do not orbit anything and pop up and disappear into nothing at regular intervals not following any rules of gravity and orbital dynamics.

Don't blame me for it.
Prove it.  Show us these celestial bodies acting in some random fashion.  Show examples of what you are claiming.  Show some actual EVIDENCE.  Again, you fail.
? Can't you look up in the sky? Are you locked up in some asylum without windows?
Childish insults aside, that's a no, as usual.  You can't support your statements.  Pretty everything I see in the sky orbits something.  Perhaps you can give an example something not following the rules of gravity and orbital dynamics like you claim.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: onebigmonkey on May 20, 2017, 09:22:28 AM
Really?

You're ripping off shit from Cluesforum?

http://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1957&p=2403472&sid=0b04c8c504abb16830ab85a58a27ee9a#p2403472

You're a fucking fraud.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 20, 2017, 10:38:22 AM
Hm, do you suggest the Moon doesn't orbit Earth?

Or do you suggest Earth orbits the Moon?

What do you think? And can you prove what you think. You sound like Donald Trump. I like him and laugh all the time.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Dog on May 20, 2017, 10:45:48 AM
Guys he's been running his fraudulent challenges for years. You're not going to see a cent.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 20, 2017, 10:49:37 AM
Guys he's been running his fraudulent challenges for years. You're not going to see a cent.
You are right in a way. My Challenge is real of course. But the challengers are all stupid zeros. In spite of my efforts to cure them. I am disappointed.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on May 20, 2017, 11:11:12 AM
You have yet to win my challenge so I would watch my tongue if I were you. You are making yourself look foolish.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on May 20, 2017, 02:41:47 PM
Hm, do you suggest the Moon doesn't orbit Earth?

Or do you suggest Earth orbits the Moon?

What do you think? And can you prove what you think. You sound like Donald Trump. I like him and laugh all the time.
Check your meds, I think your mad cow is getting worse.  I do not suggest the moon isn't orbiting the earth.
I do state as a fact though, that you have once again failed to support your claims.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on May 20, 2017, 02:43:27 PM
Guys he's been running his fraudulent challenges for years. You're not going to see a cent.
You are right in a way. My Challenge is real of course. But the challengers are all stupid zeros. In spite of my efforts to cure them. I am disappointed.
Prove it.  Show us the escrow account you keep the money in.  No? Yep, it's fake.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 20, 2017, 03:56:54 PM
Hm, do you suggest the Moon doesn't orbit Earth?

Or do you suggest Earth orbits the Moon?

What do you think? And can you prove what you think. You sound like Donald Trump. I like him and laugh all the time.
Check your meds, I think your mad cow is getting worse.  I do not suggest the moon isn't orbiting the earth.
I do state as a fact though, that you have once again failed to support your claims.

All claims at http://heiwaco.com are facts.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on May 20, 2017, 04:04:25 PM
Why do you say such stupid things?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: frenat on May 20, 2017, 08:15:12 PM

Can you point to anywhere in DNO's quote that he specified a depth of 10, 000 m?

Heiwa denies the reality of the Trieste expedition to the Marianas Trench. He does this mostly by saying "It's a fake". Therefore everything is fake because plenty reasons.

? Plenty people claim plenty things, like Alexander Humboldt. Ever heard of him? He lived >200 years ago around the corner from me at Freiberg, when I lived there.
Alexander suggested he and a friend had  climbed Aconcagua and many other high mountains 200 years ago - they were the astronuts of their times - but media was not there to check anything. Media just reported it as ... FAKE NEWS!
Yes, Alex & Co had seen the mountains from afar ... and that was it.
Back to your lack of knowledge on orbital mechanics.  Can you support any of your claims about space travel with actual evidence?  Can you show such evidence here, in this forum where you made those claims without linking to your pathetic website?
Or will simply fail again.
Thanks. There is no lack of orbital mechanics knowledge on my part! It is simple rocket science, as you know.
I explain my claims since many years at http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm , i.e. humans cannot travel in space. It is a big site. Very popular. Downloaded 100 000's of times.

You have to study it. If you think I am wrong I pay you €1M at http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm . My famous CHALLENGE.

I know plenty people say they have travelled or can travel in space but they have all failed my CHALLENGE. I think they simply lie or are totally brain washed. They cannot explain how it is done or how they did it.

What do you think?

Do you think?

More lies from Heiwa the proven pathological liar.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: frenat on May 20, 2017, 08:17:45 PM
Orbital mechanics, or rather dynamics – the objects are moving – is very simple at least in our part of the Universe.  Just look at the Moon. There must be both an attractive force and a repulsive force acting between us on Earth and the Moon. The strength of each one is maybe dependent on gravity and the distance between the Earth and the Moon. It seems the Moon orbits Earth elliptically in space. Don't ask me to prove it. Just look up!

On Wikipedia it says the perigee of the Moon is ~362 000 km and the apogee is ~405 000km with the midpoint of this elliptical orbit being ~384 000km from Earth.

Let’s start out at this midpoint with the moon having momentum leading it away from Earth in its orbit. As the Moon gets farther away from Earth beyond 384 000km, the attractive force comes to dominate the repulsive force. Meaning the Moon begins to be net pulled towards the Earth. First the momentum away from the Earth is decelerated until the Moon no longer has any momentum moving away from the Earth at the apogee ~405 000km.

As the attractive force is still dominant at this distance, the Moon begins gaining momentum moving towards Earth in its orbit. Until it builds up some good momentum and passes through the midpoint distance of 384 000km once again, but this time going the other way. You can see it yourself by looking up on the Moon. Use your eyes.

As the Moon travels closer to Earth, now the repulsive force begins to dominate. And gradually the repulsive force chips away at the Moon's momentum towards Earth. Until at ~362 000km the repulsive force has brought the Moon's momentum towards Earth to 0. And now the Moon begins to gain momentum moving away from Earth again. It is a simple example or orbital dynamics!

With this the Moon can remain in orbit of Earth for millions or billions of years. Kepler has explained it. One question remains; wouldn't this going back and forth between repulsive and attractive locations of force in orbit, eventually center the Moon at the midpoint distance. For this, I think the rotation of Earth, and the movement of Earth away from its own midpoint away from the Moon, will keep the Moon from achieving a resting midpoint. Another possibility is the action of other bodies like the Sun on the Earth-Moon system, will keep the system from rest distances. Yet another possibility is the idea of a tendency towards stability is based on observing things on Earth, where there is resistance like air resistance, which that tendency might not be true in space.
Anyway, the easiest way to understand orbital mechanics is to look out of the window and watch the Moon.
Our Solar System was, if you believe what you are told at school or by Wikipedia, formed 4.6 billion years ago from the gravitational collapse of a giant interstellar molecular cloud. Imagine that! It was long before I was born and I am sorry I cannot prove it.

However, if you today, 4.6 billion years later, look further away from the tip of your nose and our Universe or Solar System and study other solar systems or galaxies in the sky above,  you will find that they do not orbit anything and pop up and disappear into nothing at regular intervals not following any rules of gravity and orbital dynamics.

Don't blame me for it.
and with this, possibly the single worst explanation of orbits I've ever seen, Heiwa proves the title of the thread, AGAIN.  Of course to even get this he had to plagiarize it from the biggest joke of a forum out there.  We all know Heiwa couldn't explain it in his own words.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Denspressure on May 21, 2017, 02:32:11 AM
Hm, do you suggest the Moon doesn't orbit Earth?

Or do you suggest Earth orbits the Moon?

What do you think? And can you prove what you think. You sound like Donald Trump. I like him and laugh all the time.
Check your meds, I think your mad cow is getting worse.  I do not suggest the moon isn't orbiting the earth.
I do state as a fact though, that you have once again failed to support your claims.

All claims at http://heiwaco.com are facts.
Aside from all the misinformation and lies.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Denspressure on May 21, 2017, 02:32:44 AM
Why do you say such stupid things?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on May 21, 2017, 06:45:53 AM
Hm, do you suggest the Moon doesn't orbit Earth?

Or do you suggest Earth orbits the Moon?

What do you think? And can you prove what you think. You sound like Donald Trump. I like him and laugh all the time.
Check your meds, I think your mad cow is getting worse.  I do not suggest the moon isn't orbiting the earth.
I do state as a fact though, that you have once again failed to support your claims.

All claims at http://heiwaco.com are facts.
Another fail.  Show your evidence here, where you are making your idiotic claims.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 21, 2017, 09:42:00 AM
Hm, do you suggest the Moon doesn't orbit Earth?

Or do you suggest Earth orbits the Moon?

What do you think? And can you prove what you think. You sound like Donald Trump. I like him and laugh all the time.
Check your meds, I think your mad cow is getting worse.  I do not suggest the moon isn't orbiting the earth.
I do state as a fact though, that you have once again failed to support your claims.

All claims at http://heiwaco.com are facts.
Another fail.  Show your evidence here, where you are making your idiotic claims.
I do it all the time even if the full story is at my website.
One reason why human space travel just orbiting Earth or going to the Moon or Mars is impossible is simply that there are no toilet available onboard. Asstronuts and kosmoklowns apparently do not shit and piss.
If you ask NASA for details you do not get any reply. I assume NASA forgot that detail as these facilities are readily available on Earth and humans were never intended to fly in space.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: onebigmonkey on May 21, 2017, 10:23:22 AM
Idiot.

http://toilet-guru.com/spacecraft.php



Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: frenat on May 21, 2017, 10:36:02 AM
Hm, do you suggest the Moon doesn't orbit Earth?

Or do you suggest Earth orbits the Moon?

What do you think? And can you prove what you think. You sound like Donald Trump. I like him and laugh all the time.
Check your meds, I think your mad cow is getting worse.  I do not suggest the moon isn't orbiting the earth.
I do state as a fact though, that you have once again failed to support your claims.

All claims at http://heiwaco.com are facts.
Another fail.  Show your evidence here, where you are making your idiotic claims.
I do it all the time even if the full story is at my website.
One reason why human space travel just orbiting Earth or going to the Moon or Mars is impossible is simply that there are no toilet available onboard. Asstronuts and kosmoklowns apparently do not shit and piss.
If you ask NASA for details you do not get any reply. I assume NASA forgot that detail as these facilities are readily available on Earth and humans were never intended to fly in space.
more lies from Heiwa.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 21, 2017, 11:13:57 AM
Idiot.

http://toilet-guru.com/spacecraft.php

LOL. Did Apollo 11 contain all this shit?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on May 21, 2017, 12:09:47 PM
Hm, do you suggest the Moon doesn't orbit Earth?

Or do you suggest Earth orbits the Moon?

What do you think? And can you prove what you think. You sound like Donald Trump. I like him and laugh all the time.
Check your meds, I think your mad cow is getting worse.  I do not suggest the moon isn't orbiting the earth.
I do state as a fact though, that you have once again failed to support your claims.

All claims at http://heiwaco.com are facts.
Another fail.  Show your evidence here, where you are making your idiotic claims.
I do it all the time even if the full story is at my website.
One reason why human space travel just orbiting Earth or going to the Moon or Mars is impossible is simply that there are no toilet available onboard. Asstronuts and kosmoklowns apparently do not shit and piss.
If you ask NASA for details you do not get any reply. I assume NASA forgot that detail as these facilities are readily available on Earth and humans were never intended to fly in space.
See, that's a lie.  I have posted links to exactly how the toilets in space work as a direct reply to you spouting this nonsense.
Why do you say such stupid things?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 21, 2017, 12:15:55 PM
Hm, do you suggest the Moon doesn't orbit Earth?

Or do you suggest Earth orbits the Moon?

What do you think? And can you prove what you think. You sound like Donald Trump. I like him and laugh all the time.
Check your meds, I think your mad cow is getting worse.  I do not suggest the moon isn't orbiting the earth.
I do state as a fact though, that you have once again failed to support your claims.

All claims at http://heiwaco.com are facts.
Another fail.  Show your evidence here, where you are making your idiotic claims.
I do it all the time even if the full story is at my website.
One reason why human space travel just orbiting Earth or going to the Moon or Mars is impossible is simply that there are no toilet available onboard. Asstronuts and kosmoklowns apparently do not shit and piss.
If you ask NASA for details you do not get any reply. I assume NASA forgot that detail as these facilities are readily available on Earth and humans were never intended to fly in space.
See, that's a lie.  I have posted links to exactly how the toilets in space work as a direct reply to you spouting this nonsense.
Why do you say such stupid things?
Links? They prove nothing.
And why would you have toilets in space? No humans can ever use them.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on May 21, 2017, 01:15:43 PM
Hm, do you suggest the Moon doesn't orbit Earth?

Or do you suggest Earth orbits the Moon?

What do you think? And can you prove what you think. You sound like Donald Trump. I like him and laugh all the time.
Check your meds, I think your mad cow is getting worse.  I do not suggest the moon isn't orbiting the earth.
I do state as a fact though, that you have once again failed to support your claims.

All claims at http://heiwaco.com are facts.
Another fail.  Show your evidence here, where you are making your idiotic claims.
I do it all the time even if the full story is at my website.
One reason why human space travel just orbiting Earth or going to the Moon or Mars is impossible is simply that there are no toilet available onboard. Asstronuts and kosmoklowns apparently do not shit and piss.
If you ask NASA for details you do not get any reply. I assume NASA forgot that detail as these facilities are readily available on Earth and humans were never intended to fly in space.
See, that's a lie.  I have posted links to exactly how the toilets in space work as a direct reply to you spouting this nonsense.
Why do you say such stupid things?
Links? They prove nothing.
And why would you have toilets in space? No humans can ever use them.
Why do you say such stupid things.  I've shown exactly how toilets in space work and then you lie and say no one can show you how toilets would work in space.
Others have shown you flight plans and fuel consumption and then you lie and say no one can show you these things.
Why do you lie?
But, show some evidence that the toilets designed for space won't work there.  Oh wait, you're a failure and can't actually support your claims.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 21, 2017, 07:31:40 PM
Hm, do you suggest the Moon doesn't orbit Earth?

Or do you suggest Earth orbits the Moon?

What do you think? And can you prove what you think. You sound like Donald Trump. I like him and laugh all the time.
Check your meds, I think your mad cow is getting worse.  I do not suggest the moon isn't orbiting the earth.
I do state as a fact though, that you have once again failed to support your claims.

All claims at http://heiwaco.com are facts.
Another fail.  Show your evidence here, where you are making your idiotic claims.
I do it all the time even if the full story is at my website.
One reason why human space travel just orbiting Earth or going to the Moon or Mars is impossible is simply that there are no toilet available onboard. Asstronuts and kosmoklowns apparently do not shit and piss.
If you ask NASA for details you do not get any reply. I assume NASA forgot that detail as these facilities are readily available on Earth and humans were never intended to fly in space.
See, that's a lie.  I have posted links to exactly how the toilets in space work as a direct reply to you spouting this nonsense.
Why do you say such stupid things?
Links? They prove nothing.
And why would you have toilets in space? No humans can ever use them.
Why do you say such stupid things.  I've shown exactly how toilets in space work and then you lie and say no one can show you how toilets would work in space.
Others have shown you flight plans and fuel consumption and then you lie and say no one can show you these things.
Why do you lie?
But, show some evidence that the toilets designed for space won't work there.  Oh wait, you're a failure and can't actually support your claims.
Hm, you have to read what I say. It is quite simple. Humans cannot travel in space and then land on Earth afterwards. I show and prove it quite clearly at my website. I also explain the reasons for the hoaxes, incl. stealing money from the public. It is just show biz and magic tricks.

Here at this forum nobody has even been able to calculate the fuel for simple trips in space and when you ask about the sanitary facilities in space you just get the standard shit.

Plenty people are brain washed to believe in human space travel. I just feel sorry for you.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 21, 2017, 07:42:00 PM
I love you Heiwa. You own this game.   ;D
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on May 21, 2017, 08:18:43 PM
Hm, do you suggest the Moon doesn't orbit Earth?

Or do you suggest Earth orbits the Moon?

What do you think? And can you prove what you think. You sound like Donald Trump. I like him and laugh all the time.
Check your meds, I think your mad cow is getting worse.  I do not suggest the moon isn't orbiting the earth.
I do state as a fact though, that you have once again failed to support your claims.

All claims at http://heiwaco.com are facts.
Another fail.  Show your evidence here, where you are making your idiotic claims.
I do it all the time even if the full story is at my website.
One reason why human space travel just orbiting Earth or going to the Moon or Mars is impossible is simply that there are no toilet available onboard. Asstronuts and kosmoklowns apparently do not shit and piss.
If you ask NASA for details you do not get any reply. I assume NASA forgot that detail as these facilities are readily available on Earth and humans were never intended to fly in space.
See, that's a lie.  I have posted links to exactly how the toilets in space work as a direct reply to you spouting this nonsense.
Why do you say such stupid things?
Links? They prove nothing.
And why would you have toilets in space? No humans can ever use them.
Why do you say such stupid things.  I've shown exactly how toilets in space work and then you lie and say no one can show you how toilets would work in space.
Others have shown you flight plans and fuel consumption and then you lie and say no one can show you these things.
Why do you lie?
But, show some evidence that the toilets designed for space won't work there.  Oh wait, you're a failure and can't actually support your claims.
Hm, you have to read what I say. It is quite simple. Humans cannot travel in space and then land on Earth afterwards. I show and prove it quite clearly at my website. I also explain the reasons for the hoaxes, incl. stealing money from the public. It is just show biz and magic tricks.

Here at this forum nobody has even been able to calculate the fuel for simple trips in space and when you ask about the sanitary facilities in space you just get the standard shit.

Plenty people are brain washed to believe in human space travel. I just feel sorry for you.
More lies.  You have been shown about the fuel consumption, you have been shown the toilets, you have been shown the entire flight plans for the Apollo missions.  You have been shown these things in great detail.  Then you lie and say no one can show you these things.
You have never once presented any evidence at all on this forum and yet constantly demand that others show you proof.  When they do, you ignore it and lie some more.
Show some evidence here to support your claims or admit or just a pathetic failure.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on May 21, 2017, 09:08:56 PM
Idiot.

http://toilet-guru.com/spacecraft.php

LOL. Did Apollo 11 contain all this shit?

No, just this one:
Quote from: http://toilet-guru.com/spacecraft.php
(http://toilet-guru.com/pictures/spacecraft-dscf0217.jpg)
 Fecal Collection Assembly
Apollo

These two bags make up the fecal collection assembly, part of the personal hygiene system used by Apollo astronauts. These bags were not flown.
This self-contained system gave the astronaut flexibility and control in a weightless environment and allowed for simple and hygienic disposal.

Transferred from NASA Johnson Space Center
A19750739000
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 21, 2017, 11:13:55 PM

More lies.  You have been shown about the fuel consumption, you have been shown the toilets, you have been shown the entire flight plans for the Apollo missions.  You have been shown these things in great detail.  Then you lie and say no one can show you these things.
You have never once presented any evidence at all on this forum and yet constantly demand that others show you proof.  When they do, you ignore it and lie some more.
Show some evidence here to support your claims or admit or just a pathetic failure.
No - nobody has shown how you calculate fuel required for a space trip or the flight plans for the Apollo missions. I, on the other hand, analyse one proposed flight plan (Apollo 11) at my website. There are several versions to look at and the difference in fuel used is of the order 100's of tons.
The question then is how you get almost 3000 tons of fuel off the ground to go pissing on the Moon. It is suggested that a super rocket was used ... which is no longer in production with all drawings lost, etc. LOL.

Re the sanitary facilities it seems the asstronuts had to take off their spacesuits and piss and shit in plastic bags, etc, but they forgot the paper rolls required clean/dry yourself.

Only totally brainwashed twirps believe in human spacetravel.

And when you ask, what on Earth, the humans shall do up there, you only get nonsense answers. Collect Moon dust! Plant strawberries!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on May 21, 2017, 11:51:23 PM
Why do you say such stupid lies?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 21, 2017, 11:54:17 PM
Why do you say such stupid lies?

Why do people keep responding to him?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 21, 2017, 11:54:39 PM
Why do you say such stupid lies?
Well - nobody has shown how you calculate fuel required for a space trip or the flight plans for the Apollo missions. I, on the other hand, analyse one proposed flight plan (Apollo 11) at my website. There are several versions to look at and the difference in fuel used is of the order 100's of tons.
The question then is how you get almost 3000 tons of fuel off the ground to go pissing on the Moon. It is suggested that a super rocket was used ... which is no longer in production with all drawings lost, etc. LOL.

Re the sanitary facilities it seems the asstronuts had to take off their spacesuits and piss and shit in plastic bags, etc, but they forgot the paper rolls required clean/dry yourself.

Only totally brainwashed twirps believe in human spacetravel.

And when you ask, what on Earth, the humans shall do up there, you only get nonsense answers. Collect Moon dust! Plant strawberries!

Please provide some answers!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on May 21, 2017, 11:59:26 PM
Do you think it becomes less stupid if you post it twice?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 22, 2017, 01:04:55 AM
Do you think it becomes less stupid if you post it twice?
No, but it seems plenty people do not understand what I write. Maybe they are lazy or slow in their heads?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: onebigmonkey on May 22, 2017, 02:45:06 AM
Germicidal wet wipes. Idiot.

https://history.nasa.gov/SP-368/s6ch2.htm

Quote
The bag was then removed from the buttocks, and the anus was cleaned with tissue wipes


Jesus we are literally having to teach you how to wipe your own ass.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 22, 2017, 09:13:22 AM
Germicidal wet wipes. Idiot.

https://history.nasa.gov/SP-368/s6ch2.htm

Quote
The bag was then removed from the buttocks, and the anus was cleaned with tissue wipes


Jesus we are literally having to teach you how to wipe your own ass.

But how do you use tissue wipes floating around in no gravity?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: frenat on May 22, 2017, 09:17:07 AM
Germicidal wet wipes. Idiot.

https://history.nasa.gov/SP-368/s6ch2.htm

Quote
The bag was then removed from the buttocks, and the anus was cleaned with tissue wipes


Jesus we are literally having to teach you how to wipe your own ass.

But how do you use tissue wipes floating around in no gravity?
re onebigmonkey: apparently you are.  It appears in Heiwa's world it is impossible to grab onto something or strap things down.  Of course he probably has his nurse wiping his ass.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on May 22, 2017, 09:22:46 AM
Do you think it becomes less stupid if you post it twice?
No, but it seems plenty people do not understand what I write. Maybe they are lazy or slow in their heads?

Well, it's more likely that what you write contains so many logical fallacies, half truths and even outright lies that no one takes you seriously anymore.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 22, 2017, 09:47:28 AM
Germicidal wet wipes. Idiot.

https://history.nasa.gov/SP-368/s6ch2.htm

Quote
The bag was then removed from the buttocks, and the anus was cleaned with tissue wipes


Jesus we are literally having to teach you how to wipe your own ass.

But how do you use tissue wipes floating around in no gravity?
re onebigmonkey: apparently you are.  It appears in Heiwa's world it is impossible to grab onto something or strap things down.  Of course he probably has his nurse wiping his ass.
Hm, I would assume it would be a part of normal asstronut training but ... I have never heard of it before now. Anyway, none of these shitters/tissue wipers have ever been in space. They just make it up on ground.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: frenat on May 22, 2017, 10:40:54 AM
Germicidal wet wipes. Idiot.

https://history.nasa.gov/SP-368/s6ch2.htm

Quote
The bag was then removed from the buttocks, and the anus was cleaned with tissue wipes


Jesus we are literally having to teach you how to wipe your own ass.

But how do you use tissue wipes floating around in no gravity?
re onebigmonkey: apparently you are.  It appears in Heiwa's world it is impossible to grab onto something or strap things down.  Of course he probably has his nurse wiping his ass.
Hm, I would assume it would be a part of normal asstronut training but ... I have never heard of it before now. Anyway, none of these shitters/tissue wipers have ever been in space. They just make it up on ground.
Translation: I haven't heard of it because my research skills are completely abysmal and I'm a pathological liar.  I have no proof of my claims but I'll refer you to my website anyway because the paltry hit count gives me a hard on.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on May 22, 2017, 11:03:31 AM
Germicidal wet wipes. Idiot.

https://history.nasa.gov/SP-368/s6ch2.htm

Quote
The bag was then removed from the buttocks, and the anus was cleaned with tissue wipes


Jesus we are literally having to teach you how to wipe your own ass.

But how do you use tissue wipes floating around in no gravity?
re onebigmonkey: apparently you are.  It appears in Heiwa's world it is impossible to grab onto something or strap things down.  Of course he probably has his nurse wiping his ass.
Can he seriously be this stupid?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 22, 2017, 11:25:34 AM
Germicidal wet wipes. Idiot.

https://history.nasa.gov/SP-368/s6ch2.htm

Quote
The bag was then removed from the buttocks, and the anus was cleaned with tissue wipes


Jesus we are literally having to teach you how to wipe your own ass.

But how do you use tissue wipes floating around in no gravity?
re onebigmonkey: apparently you are.  It appears in Heiwa's world it is impossible to grab onto something or strap things down.  Of course he probably has his nurse wiping his ass.
Can he seriously be this stupid?
Hm, I have been told that, travelling in space you are floating around inside your spacecraft all the time not in touch with anything. To move you must start a little rocket attached to your nose, or something, to get moving, according NASA. Flying to the toilet must be ... something. Imagine if you shit in the wrong direction not attached to whatever. In the wrong place! And the wiper tissue. Imagine if it is not flying about in front of you so you can wipe your ass or dry your pick.
I assume you have no idea about shitting inside a spacecraft.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on May 22, 2017, 11:40:38 AM
Germicidal wet wipes. Idiot.

https://history.nasa.gov/SP-368/s6ch2.htm

Quote
The bag was then removed from the buttocks, and the anus was cleaned with tissue wipes


Jesus we are literally having to teach you how to wipe your own ass.

But how do you use tissue wipes floating around in no gravity?
re onebigmonkey: apparently you are.  It appears in Heiwa's world it is impossible to grab onto something or strap things down.  Of course he probably has his nurse wiping his ass.
Can he seriously be this stupid?
Hm, I have been told that, travelling in space you are floating around inside your spacecraft all the time not in touch with anything. To move you must start a little rocket attached to your nose, or something, to get moving, according NASA. Flying to the toilet must be ... something. Imagine if you shit in the wrong direction not attached to whatever. In the wrong place! And the wiper tissue. Imagine if it is not flying about in front of you so you can wipe your ass or dry your pick.
I assume you have no idea about shitting inside a spacecraft.
So, yes, seriously that stupid.  I have posted links that show you exactly how that works.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on May 22, 2017, 12:02:24 PM
Germicidal wet wipes. Idiot.

https://history.nasa.gov/SP-368/s6ch2.htm

Quote
The bag was then removed from the buttocks, and the anus was cleaned with tissue wipes


Jesus we are literally having to teach you how to wipe your own ass.

But how do you use tissue wipes floating around in no gravity?
re onebigmonkey: apparently you are.  It appears in Heiwa's world it is impossible to grab onto something or strap things down.  Of course he probably has his nurse wiping his ass.
Can he seriously be this stupid?
Hm, I have been told that, travelling in space you are floating around inside your spacecraft all the time not in touch with anything. To move you must start a little rocket attached to your nose, or something, to get moving, according NASA. Flying to the toilet must be ... something. Imagine if you shit in the wrong direction not attached to whatever. In the wrong place! And the wiper tissue. Imagine if it is not flying about in front of you so you can wipe your ass or dry your pick.
I assume you have no idea about shitting inside a spacecraft.
Is this a weird fetish of yours?

If you shit in the wrong direction or place it's a mess no matter where you are! What does this have to do with orbital mechanics?  ???
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 22, 2017, 12:12:57 PM
Germicidal wet wipes. Idiot.

https://history.nasa.gov/SP-368/s6ch2.htm

Quote
The bag was then removed from the buttocks, and the anus was cleaned with tissue wipes


Jesus we are literally having to teach you how to wipe your own ass.

But how do you use tissue wipes floating around in no gravity?
re onebigmonkey: apparently you are.  It appears in Heiwa's world it is impossible to grab onto something or strap things down.  Of course he probably has his nurse wiping his ass.
Can he seriously be this stupid?
Hm, I have been told that, travelling in space you are floating around inside your spacecraft all the time not in touch with anything. To move you must start a little rocket attached to your nose, or something, to get moving, according NASA. Flying to the toilet must be ... something. Imagine if you shit in the wrong direction not attached to whatever. In the wrong place! And the wiper tissue. Imagine if it is not flying about in front of you so you can wipe your ass or dry your pick.
I assume you have no idea about shitting inside a spacecraft.
Is this a weird fetish of yours?

If you shit in the wrong direction or place it's a mess no matter where you are! What does this have to do with orbital mechanics?  ???
A lot. When in space or in orbit you are just floating around inside your spacecraft. You are weightless. However, when you shit or piss you act like a rocket! The piss/shit is ejected one way and you move the other way. You have to hold on to something ... and the shit/piss must end up in some container or similar. How do you do it? In your pants? When holding on to something?
Have you ever pissed/shitted in space?
You should try it.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: frenat on May 22, 2017, 12:14:20 PM
Germicidal wet wipes. Idiot.

https://history.nasa.gov/SP-368/s6ch2.htm

Quote
The bag was then removed from the buttocks, and the anus was cleaned with tissue wipes


Jesus we are literally having to teach you how to wipe your own ass.

But how do you use tissue wipes floating around in no gravity?
re onebigmonkey: apparently you are.  It appears in Heiwa's world it is impossible to grab onto something or strap things down.  Of course he probably has his nurse wiping his ass.
Can he seriously be this stupid?
Hm, I have been told that, travelling in space you are floating around inside your spacecraft all the time not in touch with anything. To move you must start a little rocket attached to your nose, or something, to get moving, according NASA. Flying to the toilet must be ... something. Imagine if you shit in the wrong direction not attached to whatever. In the wrong place! And the wiper tissue. Imagine if it is not flying about in front of you so you can wipe your ass or dry your pick.
I assume you have no idea about shitting inside a spacecraft.
Is this a weird fetish of yours?

If you shit in the wrong direction or place it's a mess no matter where you are! What does this have to do with orbital mechanics?  ???
A lot. When in space or in orbit you are just floating around inside your spacecraft. You are weightless. However, when you shit or piss you act like a rocket! The piss/shit is ejected one way and you move the other way. You have to hold on to something ... and the shit/piss must end up in some container or similar. How do you do it? In your pants? When holding on to something?
Have you ever pissed/shitted in space?
You should try it.
Heiwa thinks it is impossible to grab onto something or strap things down.  Anyone really think this guy is an engineer?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on May 22, 2017, 12:33:12 PM
Germicidal wet wipes. Idiot.

https://history.nasa.gov/SP-368/s6ch2.htm

Quote
The bag was then removed from the buttocks, and the anus was cleaned with tissue wipes


Jesus we are literally having to teach you how to wipe your own ass.

But how do you use tissue wipes floating around in no gravity?
re onebigmonkey: apparently you are.  It appears in Heiwa's world it is impossible to grab onto something or strap things down.  Of course he probably has his nurse wiping his ass.
Can he seriously be this stupid?
Hm, I have been told that, travelling in space you are floating around inside your spacecraft all the time not in touch with anything. To move you must start a little rocket attached to your nose, or something, to get moving, according NASA. Flying to the toilet must be ... something. Imagine if you shit in the wrong direction not attached to whatever. In the wrong place! And the wiper tissue. Imagine if it is not flying about in front of you so you can wipe your ass or dry your pick.
I assume you have no idea about shitting inside a spacecraft.
Is this a weird fetish of yours?

If you shit in the wrong direction or place it's a mess no matter where you are! What does this have to do with orbital mechanics?  ???
A lot. When in space or in orbit you are just floating around inside your spacecraft. You are weightless. However, when you shit or piss you act like a rocket! The piss/shit is ejected one way and you move the other way. You have to hold on to something ... and the shit/piss must end up in some container or similar. How do you do it? In your pants? When holding on to something?
Have you ever pissed/shitted in space?
You should try it.

This really is a weird fetish of yours isn't it?

I probably will use the bathroom in space some day.

Some restraining devices to hold things in the appropriate position should not be too hard to figure out.

I think the key thing you're not understanding is that the people who are in space have full control of their bowels and they don't shit until it's directed in the right direction and place. the mistake you're making is assuming that just because you don't have full control of your bowel movements nobody else does either. This is incorrect.

I figured out how to piss out of a moving canoe when I was seven. It's a little tricky but with a little ingenuity it can be accomplished. You must be really stupid if you think the problems you are pointing out regarding using the bathroom in space are insurmountable. I really think those are problems that an average seven year old could solve. At most, ten years old.

But I think you know this, you just like to go on about it 'cause it get's you off.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 22, 2017, 12:59:53 PM
Germicidal wet wipes. Idiot.

https://history.nasa.gov/SP-368/s6ch2.htm

Quote
The bag was then removed from the buttocks, and the anus was cleaned with tissue wipes


Jesus we are literally having to teach you how to wipe your own ass.

But how do you use tissue wipes floating around in no gravity?
re onebigmonkey: apparently you are.  It appears in Heiwa's world it is impossible to grab onto something or strap things down.  Of course he probably has his nurse wiping his ass.
Can he seriously be this stupid?
Hm, I have been told that, travelling in space you are floating around inside your spacecraft all the time not in touch with anything. To move you must start a little rocket attached to your nose, or something, to get moving, according NASA. Flying to the toilet must be ... something. Imagine if you shit in the wrong direction not attached to whatever. In the wrong place! And the wiper tissue. Imagine if it is not flying about in front of you so you can wipe your ass or dry your pick.
I assume you have no idea about shitting inside a spacecraft.
Is this a weird fetish of yours?

If you shit in the wrong direction or place it's a mess no matter where you are! What does this have to do with orbital mechanics?  ???
A lot. When in space or in orbit you are just floating around inside your spacecraft. You are weightless. However, when you shit or piss you act like a rocket! The piss/shit is ejected one way and you move the other way. You have to hold on to something ... and the shit/piss must end up in some container or similar. How do you do it? In your pants? When holding on to something?
Have you ever pissed/shitted in space?
You should try it.

This really is a weird fetish of yours isn't it?

I probably will use the bathroom in space some day.

Some restraining devices to hold things in the appropriate position should not be too hard to figure out.

I think the key thing you're not understanding is that the people who are in space have full control of their bowels and they don't shit until it's directed in the right direction and place. the mistake you're making is assuming that just because you don't have full control of your bowel movements nobody else does either. This is incorrect.

I figured out how to piss out of a moving canoe when I was seven. It's a little tricky but with a little ingenuity it can be accomplished. You must be really stupid if you think the problems you are pointing out regarding using the bathroom in space are insurmountable. I really think those are problems that an average seven year old could solve. At most, ten years old.

But I think you know this, you just like to go on about it 'cause it get's you off.

Please, pissing/shitting from a boat at sea has nothing in common with doing it weightless inside a spacecraft in space. You talk nonsense as usual. Maybe your head is too small and your brains compressed?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on May 22, 2017, 01:08:01 PM
Germicidal wet wipes. Idiot.

https://history.nasa.gov/SP-368/s6ch2.htm

Quote
The bag was then removed from the buttocks, and the anus was cleaned with tissue wipes


Jesus we are literally having to teach you how to wipe your own ass.

But how do you use tissue wipes floating around in no gravity?
re onebigmonkey: apparently you are.  It appears in Heiwa's world it is impossible to grab onto something or strap things down.  Of course he probably has his nurse wiping his ass.
Can he seriously be this stupid?
Hm, I have been told that, travelling in space you are floating around inside your spacecraft all the time not in touch with anything. To move you must start a little rocket attached to your nose, or something, to get moving, according NASA. Flying to the toilet must be ... something. Imagine if you shit in the wrong direction not attached to whatever. In the wrong place! And the wiper tissue. Imagine if it is not flying about in front of you so you can wipe your ass or dry your pick.
I assume you have no idea about shitting inside a spacecraft.
Is this a weird fetish of yours?

If you shit in the wrong direction or place it's a mess no matter where you are! What does this have to do with orbital mechanics?  ???
A lot. When in space or in orbit you are just floating around inside your spacecraft. You are weightless. However, when you shit or piss you act like a rocket! The piss/shit is ejected one way and you move the other way. You have to hold on to something ... and the shit/piss must end up in some container or similar. How do you do it? In your pants? When holding on to something?
Have you ever pissed/shitted in space?
You should try it.

This really is a weird fetish of yours isn't it?

I probably will use the bathroom in space some day.

Some restraining devices to hold things in the appropriate position should not be too hard to figure out.

I think the key thing you're not understanding is that the people who are in space have full control of their bowels and they don't shit until it's directed in the right direction and place. the mistake you're making is assuming that just because you don't have full control of your bowel movements nobody else does either. This is incorrect.

I figured out how to piss out of a moving canoe when I was seven. It's a little tricky but with a little ingenuity it can be accomplished. You must be really stupid if you think the problems you are pointing out regarding using the bathroom in space are insurmountable. I really think those are problems that an average seven year old could solve. At most, ten years old.

But I think you know this, you just like to go on about it 'cause it get's you off.

Please, pissing/shitting from a boat at sea has nothing in common with doing it weightless inside a spacecraft in space. You talk nonsense as usual. Maybe your head is too small and your brains compressed?

So you're just going to ignore the rest of my post then?

Some restraining devices to hold things in the appropriate position should not be too hard to figure out.

I think the key thing you're not understanding is that the people who are in space have full control of their bowels and they don't shit until it's directed in the right direction and place. the mistake you're making is assuming that just because you don't have full control of your bowel movements nobody else does either. This is incorrect.

You must be really stupid if you think the problems you are pointing out regarding using the bathroom in space are insurmountable. I really think those are problems that an average seven year old could solve. At most, ten years old.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on May 22, 2017, 09:14:15 PM
If you shit in the wrong direction or place it's a mess no matter where you are! What does this have to do with orbital mechanics?  ???
Obviously the action of shitting in one direction produces the reaction of pushing the entire spacecraft in the other direction.  This means that if you shit hard enough in the wrong direction, your spacecraft will be thrown off course and you will become hopelessly lost in space forever.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 22, 2017, 09:48:36 PM
Germicidal wet wipes. Idiot.

https://history.nasa.gov/SP-368/s6ch2.htm

Quote
The bag was then removed from the buttocks, and the anus was cleaned with tissue wipes


Jesus we are literally having to teach you how to wipe your own ass.

But how do you use tissue wipes floating around in no gravity?
re onebigmonkey: apparently you are.  It appears in Heiwa's world it is impossible to grab onto something or strap things down.  Of course he probably has his nurse wiping his ass.
Can he seriously be this stupid?
Hm, I have been told that, travelling in space you are floating around inside your spacecraft all the time not in touch with anything. To move you must start a little rocket attached to your nose, or something, to get moving, according NASA. Flying to the toilet must be ... something. Imagine if you shit in the wrong direction not attached to whatever. In the wrong place! And the wiper tissue. Imagine if it is not flying about in front of you so you can wipe your ass or dry your pick.
I assume you have no idea about shitting inside a spacecraft.
Is this a weird fetish of yours?

If you shit in the wrong direction or place it's a mess no matter where you are! What does this have to do with orbital mechanics?  ???
A lot. When in space or in orbit you are just floating around inside your spacecraft. You are weightless. However, when you shit or piss you act like a rocket! The piss/shit is ejected one way and you move the other way. You have to hold on to something ... and the shit/piss must end up in some container or similar. How do you do it? In your pants? When holding on to something?
Have you ever pissed/shitted in space?
You should try it.

This really is a weird fetish of yours isn't it?

I probably will use the bathroom in space some day.

Some restraining devices to hold things in the appropriate position should not be too hard to figure out.

I think the key thing you're not understanding is that the people who are in space have full control of their bowels and they don't shit until it's directed in the right direction and place. the mistake you're making is assuming that just because you don't have full control of your bowel movements nobody else does either. This is incorrect.

I figured out how to piss out of a moving canoe when I was seven. It's a little tricky but with a little ingenuity it can be accomplished. You must be really stupid if you think the problems you are pointing out regarding using the bathroom in space are insurmountable. I really think those are problems that an average seven year old could solve. At most, ten years old.

But I think you know this, you just like to go on about it 'cause it get's you off.

Please, pissing/shitting from a boat at sea has nothing in common with doing it weightless inside a spacecraft in space. You talk nonsense as usual. Maybe your head is too small and your brains compressed?

So you're just going to ignore the rest of my post then?

Some restraining devices to hold things in the appropriate position should not be too hard to figure out.

I think the key thing you're not understanding is that the people who are in space have full control of their bowels and they don't shit until it's directed in the right direction and place. the mistake you're making is assuming that just because you don't have full control of your bowel movements nobody else does either. This is incorrect.

You must be really stupid if you think the problems you are pointing out regarding using the bathroom in space are insurmountable. I really think those are problems that an average seven year old could solve. At most, ten years old.
To be perfectly frank I do not believe the NASA stories of the no gravity toilet in the Apollo service modules and the low gravity toilet in the Apollo lunar modules and operating procedures. Apparently the asstronut must strip off his space suit and strap himself to the unit and ensure that the piss and shit is transferred to some containers (plastic bags), etc, etc. and then he cleans himself with some tissue paper disposed somewhere else before putting on the space suit again.
Personally I prefer my 'arab' style WC with a little shower (and towel) for ass cleaning. It works perfectly ... but not in space.
I have never understood why humans should fly up to piss and shit in space. It doesn't sound normal. Only sick minds can have invented it.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on May 22, 2017, 10:02:07 PM
Germicidal wet wipes. Idiot.

https://history.nasa.gov/SP-368/s6ch2.htm

Quote
The bag was then removed from the buttocks, and the anus was cleaned with tissue wipes


Jesus we are literally having to teach you how to wipe your own ass.

But how do you use tissue wipes floating around in no gravity?
re onebigmonkey: apparently you are.  It appears in Heiwa's world it is impossible to grab onto something or strap things down.  Of course he probably has his nurse wiping his ass.
Can he seriously be this stupid?
Hm, I have been told that, travelling in space you are floating around inside your spacecraft all the time not in touch with anything. To move you must start a little rocket attached to your nose, or something, to get moving, according NASA. Flying to the toilet must be ... something. Imagine if you shit in the wrong direction not attached to whatever. In the wrong place! And the wiper tissue. Imagine if it is not flying about in front of you so you can wipe your ass or dry your pick.
I assume you have no idea about shitting inside a spacecraft.
Is this a weird fetish of yours?

If you shit in the wrong direction or place it's a mess no matter where you are! What does this have to do with orbital mechanics?  ???
A lot. When in space or in orbit you are just floating around inside your spacecraft. You are weightless. However, when you shit or piss you act like a rocket! The piss/shit is ejected one way and you move the other way. You have to hold on to something ... and the shit/piss must end up in some container or similar. How do you do it? In your pants? When holding on to something?
Have you ever pissed/shitted in space?
You should try it.

This really is a weird fetish of yours isn't it?

I probably will use the bathroom in space some day.

Some restraining devices to hold things in the appropriate position should not be too hard to figure out.

I think the key thing you're not understanding is that the people who are in space have full control of their bowels and they don't shit until it's directed in the right direction and place. the mistake you're making is assuming that just because you don't have full control of your bowel movements nobody else does either. This is incorrect.

I figured out how to piss out of a moving canoe when I was seven. It's a little tricky but with a little ingenuity it can be accomplished. You must be really stupid if you think the problems you are pointing out regarding using the bathroom in space are insurmountable. I really think those are problems that an average seven year old could solve. At most, ten years old.

But I think you know this, you just like to go on about it 'cause it get's you off.

Please, pissing/shitting from a boat at sea has nothing in common with doing it weightless inside a spacecraft in space. You talk nonsense as usual. Maybe your head is too small and your brains compressed?

So you're just going to ignore the rest of my post then?

Some restraining devices to hold things in the appropriate position should not be too hard to figure out.

I think the key thing you're not understanding is that the people who are in space have full control of their bowels and they don't shit until it's directed in the right direction and place. the mistake you're making is assuming that just because you don't have full control of your bowel movements nobody else does either. This is incorrect.

You must be really stupid if you think the problems you are pointing out regarding using the bathroom in space are insurmountable. I really think those are problems that an average seven year old could solve. At most, ten years old.
To be perfectly frank I do not believe the NASA stories of the no gravity toilet in the Apollo service modules and the low gravity toilet in the Apollo lunar modules and operating procedures. Apparently the asstronut must strip off his space suit and strap himself to the unit and ensure that the piss and shit is transferred to some containers (plastic bags), etc, etc. and then he cleans himself with some tissue paper disposed somewhere else before putting on the space suit again.
Personally I prefer my 'arab' style WC with a little shower (and towel) for ass cleaning. It works perfectly ... but not in space.
I have never understood why humans should fly up to piss and shit in space. It doesn't sound normal. Only sick minds can have invented it.

These are certainly some of the weakest objections you have raised toward the possibility of space travel as they are something your average ten year old could solve. It's strange that you seem so fixated on them.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on May 22, 2017, 10:06:51 PM
If you shit in the wrong direction or place it's a mess no matter where you are! What does this have to do with orbital mechanics?  ???
Obviously the action of shitting in one direction produces the reaction of pushing the entire spacecraft in the other direction.  This means that if you shit hard enough in the wrong direction, your spacecraft will be thrown off course and you will become hopelessly lost in space forever.

My bad! Do you happen to know of any instances where space travelers lost their way due to misdirected feces etc?  ;D
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: frenat on May 23, 2017, 05:05:28 AM

To be perfectly frank I do not believe the NASA stories of the no gravity toilet in the Apollo service modules and the low gravity toilet in the Apollo lunar modules and operating procedures. Apparently the asstronut must strip off his space suit and strap himself to the unit and ensure that the piss and shit is transferred to some containers (plastic bags), etc, etc. and then he cleans himself with some tissue paper disposed somewhere else before putting on the space suit again.
Personally I prefer my 'arab' style WC with a little shower (and towel) for ass cleaning. It works perfectly ... but not in space.
I have never understood why humans should fly up to piss and shit in space. It doesn't sound normal. Only sick minds can have invented it.
As usual Heiwa's objections reduce to nothing but argument from incredulity.  He doesn't understand it so it must not be possible.  And add that to his apparent fecal obsession and that is all he has to offer.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on May 23, 2017, 05:43:13 AM
To be perfectly frank I do not believe the NASA stories of the no gravity toilet in the Apollo service modules and the low gravity toilet in the Apollo lunar modules and operating procedures.
That's because the Apollo command module and lunar module didn't have toilets of any kind.  It's already been pointed out that they used collection bags.

Apparently the asstronut must strip off his space suit and strap himself to the unit and ensure that the piss and shit is transferred to some containers (plastic bags), etc, etc. and then he cleans himself with some tissue paper disposed somewhere else before putting on the space suit again.
Apparently you don't understand that the astronauts only wore their space suits during lift off and when in the lunar module.  The rest of the time they wore much lighter and more comfortable flight suits for the vast majority of the trip.
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Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 23, 2017, 06:31:53 AM
To be perfectly frank I do not believe the NASA stories of the no gravity toilet in the Apollo service modules and the low gravity toilet in the Apollo lunar modules and operating procedures.
That's because the Apollo command module and lunar module didn't have toilets of any kind.  It's already been pointed out that they used collection bags.

Apparently the asstronut must strip off his space suit and strap himself to the unit and ensure that the piss and shit is transferred to some containers (plastic bags), etc, etc. and then he cleans himself with some tissue paper disposed somewhere else before putting on the space suit again.
Apparently you don't understand that the astronauts only wore their space suits during lift off and when in the lunar module.  The rest of the time they wore much lighter and more comfortable flight suits for the vast majority of the trip.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4052/4680806980_e44c4fc902_b.jpg)
Yes, asstronuts are dressed in pyjamas (flight suits) in space and attach some fittings to piss and shit into collection bags, etc, etc. Sounds great. Then they wash themselves, bla, bla.  But what is the whole purpose with these clowns up there? What do they produce ... apart from filled collection bags. I have never understood it.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on May 23, 2017, 07:36:56 AM
To be perfectly frank I do not believe the NASA stories of the no gravity toilet in the Apollo service modules and the low gravity toilet in the Apollo lunar modules and operating procedures.
That's because the Apollo command module and lunar module didn't have toilets of any kind.  It's already been pointed out that they used collection bags.

Apparently the asstronut must strip off his space suit and strap himself to the unit and ensure that the piss and shit is transferred to some containers (plastic bags), etc, etc. and then he cleans himself with some tissue paper disposed somewhere else before putting on the space suit again.
Apparently you don't understand that the astronauts only wore their space suits during lift off and when in the lunar module.  The rest of the time they wore much lighter and more comfortable flight suits for the vast majority of the trip.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4052/4680806980_e44c4fc902_b.jpg)
Yes, asstronuts are dressed in pyjamas (flight suits) in space and attach some fittings to piss and shit into collection bags, etc, etc. Sounds great. Then they wash themselves, bla, bla.  But what is the whole purpose with these clowns up there? What do they produce ... apart from filled collection bags. I have never understood it.

I think this is the closest thing to progress I've ever witnessed with Heiwa, his attempt at "switching" notwithstanding.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on May 23, 2017, 09:58:27 AM
To be perfectly frank I do not believe the NASA stories of the no gravity toilet in the Apollo service modules and the low gravity toilet in the Apollo lunar modules and operating procedures.
That's because the Apollo command module and lunar module didn't have toilets of any kind.  It's already been pointed out that they used collection bags.

Apparently the asstronut must strip off his space suit and strap himself to the unit and ensure that the piss and shit is transferred to some containers (plastic bags), etc, etc. and then he cleans himself with some tissue paper disposed somewhere else before putting on the space suit again.
Apparently you don't understand that the astronauts only wore their space suits during lift off and when in the lunar module.  The rest of the time they wore much lighter and more comfortable flight suits for the vast majority of the trip.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4052/4680806980_e44c4fc902_b.jpg)
Yes, asstronuts are dressed in pyjamas (flight suits) in space and attach some fittings to piss and shit into collection bags, etc, etc. Sounds great. Then they wash themselves, bla, bla.  But what is the whole purpose with these clowns up there? What do they produce ... apart from filled collection bags. I have never understood it.
That's really what it comes down to isn't it?  You don't understand it so it can't be true.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Dog on May 23, 2017, 02:23:12 PM
I have never understood it. anything.

FTFY
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on May 23, 2017, 03:22:40 PM
Yes, asstronuts are dressed in pyjamas (flight suits) in space and attach some fittings to piss and shit into collection bags, etc, etc. Sounds great. Then they wash themselves, bla, bla.  But what is the whole purpose with these clowns up there? What do they produce ... apart from filled collection bags. I have never understood it.
A sailor that doesn't understand the purpose of exploring the unknown? ???
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 23, 2017, 09:24:05 PM
Yes, asstronuts are dressed in pyjamas (flight suits) in space and attach some fittings to piss and shit into collection bags, etc, etc. Sounds great. Then they wash themselves, bla, bla.  But what is the whole purpose with these clowns up there? What do they produce ... apart from filled collection bags. I have never understood it.
A sailor that doesn't understand the purpose of exploring the unknown? ???
Yes, you are wrong as usual. What is, e.g., the purpose of sending humans to planet Mars apart from nobody winning my Challenge describing the trip. Mars has, we are told, already been explored by robots. There is nothing there for humans to enjoy. NOTHING! So why send humans there? To piss and shit through a special device strapped to your body? Only idiots would even consider flying to Mars.

More fun is a cruise on ship. But the ship must be safe. I describe it at my website.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Kami on May 24, 2017, 02:50:21 AM
If you shit in the wrong direction or place it's a mess no matter where you are! What does this have to do with orbital mechanics?  ???
Obviously the action of shitting in one direction produces the reaction of pushing the entire spacecraft in the other direction.  This means that if you shit hard enough in the wrong direction, your spacecraft will be thrown off course and you will become hopelessly lost in space forever.

My bad! Do you happen to know of any instances where space travelers lost their way due to misdirected feces etc?  ;D
Actually, there is an instance. On the space station MIR they used to eject the collected urine into space (why not, there is a lot of room out there). Unfortunately, it froze and stayed within a roughtly similar orbit as MIR, so finally some urine-ice-crystals started gathering on the solar panels, significantly reducing their efficiency. This is why on the ISS the urine now gets stored and brought back to ground (that, and the huge interest by researchers).

If you are interested in the actual urinating process i suggest you read chris hadfield's book, there he describes that in pretty good detail.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 24, 2017, 03:28:43 AM

 on the ISS the urine now gets stored and brought back to ground (that, and the huge interest by researchers).

If you are interested in the actual urinating process i suggest you read chris hadfield's book, there he describes that in pretty good detail.

What about the shit? Does asstronut Hadfield look into it?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Kami on May 24, 2017, 04:11:19 AM

 on the ISS the urine now gets stored and brought back to ground (that, and the huge interest by researchers).

If you are interested in the actual urinating process i suggest you read chris hadfield's book, there he describes that in pretty good detail.

What about the shit? Does asstronut Hadfield look into it?
Well, the process is not that much different... But no, he does not describe that as far as I remember.

What is it about your recent interest in shit? If you want to study shit in a huge abundance, i suggest this (http://www.heiwaco.com) website.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 24, 2017, 06:25:16 AM

 on the ISS the urine now gets stored and brought back to ground (that, and the huge interest by researchers).

If you are interested in the actual urinating process i suggest you read chris hadfield's book, there he describes that in pretty good detail.

What about the shit? Does asstronut Hadfield look into it?
Well, the process is not that much different... But no, he does not describe that as far as I remember.

What is it about your recent interest in shit? If you want to study shit in a huge abundance, i suggest this (http://www.heiwaco.com) website.
No, my interest is ship. And safety of them. Not very popular actually. If something goes wrong on a ship, the easiest solution is to arrest the Captain and jail him - http://heiwaco.com/news8.htm . Media support it. Many ships are shit.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on May 24, 2017, 06:44:03 AM

 on the ISS the urine now gets stored and brought back to ground (that, and the huge interest by researchers).

If you are interested in the actual urinating process i suggest you read chris hadfield's book, there he describes that in pretty good detail.

What about the shit? Does asstronut Hadfield look into it?
Well, the process is not that much different... But no, he does not describe that as far as I remember.

What is it about your recent interest in shit? If you want to study shit in a huge abundance, i suggest this (http://www.heiwaco.com) website.
No, my interest is ship. And safety of them. Not very popular actually. If something goes wrong on a ship, the easiest solution is to arrest the Captain and jail him - http://heiwaco.com/news8.htm . Media support it. Many ships are shit.
I don't know, you spend an awful lot of time talking about piss and shit.  Maybe you should move over to a fetish forum.  I'm sure there are some that specialize in bathroom fantasies.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 24, 2017, 07:22:38 AM

 on the ISS the urine now gets stored and brought back to ground (that, and the huge interest by researchers).

If you are interested in the actual urinating process i suggest you read chris hadfield's book, there he describes that in pretty good detail.

What about the shit? Does asstronut Hadfield look into it?
Well, the process is not that much different... But no, he does not describe that as far as I remember.

What is it about your recent interest in shit? If you want to study shit in a huge abundance, i suggest this (http://www.heiwaco.com) website.
No, my interest is ship. And safety of them. Not very popular actually. If something goes wrong on a ship, the easiest solution is to arrest the Captain and jail him - http://heiwaco.com/news8.htm . Media support it. Many ships are shit.
I don't know, you spend an awful lot of time talking about piss and shit.  Maybe you should move over to a fetish forum.  I'm sure there are some that specialize in bathroom fantasies.
Hm, Donald Trump has just told NASA to put humans on planet Mars by 2033! Nobody seems to know how long it will take to go there. Maybe it will take 200 days. http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm . The only thing that is certain is that the humans aboard must piss and shit a couple of times daily, even if there are no private facilities aboard the spacecraft.
It seems the solution is that the asstronuts undress and strap some device to their bodies into which the asstronuts then shit and piss. The fecals arrive in plastic bags.
I find that solution unsatisfactory.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on May 24, 2017, 07:57:04 AM

 on the ISS the urine now gets stored and brought back to ground (that, and the huge interest by researchers).

If you are interested in the actual urinating process i suggest you read chris hadfield's book, there he describes that in pretty good detail.

What about the shit? Does asstronut Hadfield look into it?
Well, the process is not that much different... But no, he does not describe that as far as I remember.

What is it about your recent interest in shit? If you want to study shit in a huge abundance, i suggest this (http://www.heiwaco.com) website.
No, my interest is ship. And safety of them. Not very popular actually. If something goes wrong on a ship, the easiest solution is to arrest the Captain and jail him - http://heiwaco.com/news8.htm . Media support it. Many ships are shit.
I don't know, you spend an awful lot of time talking about piss and shit.  Maybe you should move over to a fetish forum.  I'm sure there are some that specialize in bathroom fantasies.
Hm, Donald Trump has just told NASA to put humans on planet Mars by 2033! Nobody seems to know how long it will take to go there. Maybe it will take 200 days. http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm . The only thing that is certain is that the humans aboard must piss and shit a couple of times daily, even if there are no private facilities aboard the spacecraft.
It seems the solution is that the asstronuts undress and strap some device to their bodies into which the asstronuts then shit and piss. The fecals arrive in plastic bags.
I find that solution unsatisfactory.
Then you shouldn't go.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 24, 2017, 10:21:32 AM

 on the ISS the urine now gets stored and brought back to ground (that, and the huge interest by researchers).

If you are interested in the actual urinating process i suggest you read chris hadfield's book, there he describes that in pretty good detail.

What about the shit? Does asstronut Hadfield look into it?
Well, the process is not that much different... But no, he does not describe that as far as I remember.

What is it about your recent interest in shit? If you want to study shit in a huge abundance, i suggest this (http://www.heiwaco.com) website.
No, my interest is ship. And safety of them. Not very popular actually. If something goes wrong on a ship, the easiest solution is to arrest the Captain and jail him - http://heiwaco.com/news8.htm . Media support it. Many ships are shit.
I don't know, you spend an awful lot of time talking about piss and shit.  Maybe you should move over to a fetish forum.  I'm sure there are some that specialize in bathroom fantasies.
Hm, Donald Trump has just told NASA to put humans on planet Mars by 2033! Nobody seems to know how long it will take to go there. Maybe it will take 200 days. http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm . The only thing that is certain is that the humans aboard must piss and shit a couple of times daily, even if there are no private facilities aboard the spacecraft.
It seems the solution is that the asstronuts undress and strap some device to their bodies into which the asstronuts then shit and piss. The fecals arrive in plastic bags.
I find that solution unsatisfactory.
Then you shouldn't go.
I cannot afford it, but, you know, it is a joke. It is not possible.
So why would you go?
200 days shitting/pissing in a strap on gadget in space?
And then?
Planting strawberries on planet Mars?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on May 24, 2017, 10:44:47 AM
The takeaway from this is that according to Heiwa, space travel is impossible because he doesn't like pissing and shitting into gadgets. Ok.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Denspressure on May 24, 2017, 10:56:48 AM
Yes, asstronuts are dressed in pyjamas (flight suits) in space and attach some fittings to piss and shit into collection bags, etc, etc. Sounds great. Then they wash themselves, bla, bla.  But what is the whole purpose with these clowns up there? What do they produce ... apart from filled collection bags. I have never understood it.
A sailor that doesn't understand the purpose of exploring the unknown? ???
Yes, you are wrong as usual. What is, e.g., the purpose of sending humans to planet Mars apart from nobody winning my Challenge describing the trip. Mars has, we are told, already been explored by robots. There is nothing there for humans to enjoy. NOTHING! So why send humans there? To piss and shit through a special device strapped to your body? Only idiots would even consider flying to Mars.

More fun is a cruise on ship. But the ship must be safe. I describe it at my website.
Only idiots would build a sailing ship and sail into the unknown, looking for new land! Only idiots would try to find America.
Only idiots would build a ship to begin with. What is there to find at sea? nothing!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 24, 2017, 11:28:31 AM
The takeaway from this is that according to Heiwa, space travel is impossible because he doesn't like pissing and shitting into gadgets. Ok.
Hm, sending satellites one-way into orbits in space is possible as no toilets are required. It is easy.

Things get difficult, dirty, smelly and shitty if you brings asstronuts aboard for obvious reasons.

Visit http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm for full details.

Please do not suggest that I am against space exploration.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on May 24, 2017, 11:37:33 AM

 on the ISS the urine now gets stored and brought back to ground (that, and the huge interest by researchers).

If you are interested in the actual urinating process i suggest you read chris hadfield's book, there he describes that in pretty good detail.

What about the shit? Does asstronut Hadfield look into it?
Well, the process is not that much different... But no, he does not describe that as far as I remember.

What is it about your recent interest in shit? If you want to study shit in a huge abundance, i suggest this (http://www.heiwaco.com) website.
No, my interest is ship. And safety of them. Not very popular actually. If something goes wrong on a ship, the easiest solution is to arrest the Captain and jail him - http://heiwaco.com/news8.htm . Media support it. Many ships are shit.
I don't know, you spend an awful lot of time talking about piss and shit.  Maybe you should move over to a fetish forum.  I'm sure there are some that specialize in bathroom fantasies.
Hm, Donald Trump has just told NASA to put humans on planet Mars by 2033! Nobody seems to know how long it will take to go there. Maybe it will take 200 days. http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm . The only thing that is certain is that the humans aboard must piss and shit a couple of times daily, even if there are no private facilities aboard the spacecraft.
It seems the solution is that the asstronuts undress and strap some device to their bodies into which the asstronuts then shit and piss. The fecals arrive in plastic bags.
I find that solution unsatisfactory.
Then you shouldn't go.
I cannot afford it, but, you know, it is a joke. It is not possible.
So why would you go?
200 days shitting/pissing in a strap on gadget in space?
And then?
Planting strawberries on planet Mars?
Prove it.  Give us the evidence right here why it is not possible.  Or admit you're a liar.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Dog on May 24, 2017, 12:11:24 PM
Hm, sending satellites one-way into orbits in space is possible as no toilets are required. It is easy.

Things get difficult, dirty, smelly and shitty if you brings asstronuts aboard for obvious reasons.

Visit http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm for full details.

Please do not suggest that I am against space exploration.

Why do you keep linking to your garbage site? We've told you about 100+ flaws on it years ago. And 5 seconds of reading shows you haven't fixed them.
Oh and you owe about 50 people 1 million euros.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Denspressure on May 24, 2017, 01:07:54 PM
The takeaway from this is that according to Heiwa, space travel is impossible because he doesn't like pissing and shitting into gadgets. Ok.
Hm, sending satellites one-way into orbits in space is possible as no toilets are required. It is easy.

Things get difficult, dirty, smelly and shitty if you brings asstronuts aboard for obvious reasons.

Visit http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm for full details.

Please do not suggest that I am against space exploration.
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Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on May 24, 2017, 01:20:38 PM
Please do not suggest that I am against space exploration.
Of course you're against space exploration.  If you were for it, then you would be looking for ways to make it possible instead of making shitty excuses.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on May 24, 2017, 02:58:44 PM
Please do not suggest that I am against space exploration.
Of course you're against space exploration.  If you were for it, then you would be looking for ways to make it possible instead of making shitty excuses.
;D I see what you did there.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 24, 2017, 06:19:17 PM
Please do not suggest that I am against space exploration.
Of course you're against space exploration.  If you were for it, then you would be looking for ways to make it possible instead of making shitty excuses.
Wrong as usual. But space is best explored by robots that do not need toilets. I hope you agree! Use common sense. Anyway, there is no way for the robots to land anywhere to explore anything. I have proven it since many years. How? Well, nobody has collected my €1M at http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm .
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on May 24, 2017, 06:42:04 PM
Please do not suggest that I am against space exploration.
Of course you're against space exploration.  If you were for it, then you would be looking for ways to make it possible instead of making shitty excuses.
Wrong as usual. But space is best explored by robots that do not need toilets. I hope you agree!
No, I don't agree.  At least not until robots become smarter than humans.

Use common sense.
I do.  Do you?

Anyway, there is no way for the robots to land anywhere to explore anything. I have proven it since many years. How? Well, nobody has collected my €1M at http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm .
See, there you go being against space exploration again.  Don't whine about why things can't be done.  Figure out how to get them done.  Isn't that what engineers are supposed to do?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 24, 2017, 07:01:10 PM
Anyway, there is no way for the robots to land anywhere to explore anything. I have proven it since many years. How? Well, nobody has collected my €1M at http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm .
See, there you go being against space exploration again.  Don't whine about why things can't be done.  Figure out how to get them done.  Isn't that what engineers are supposed to do?
Wrong again. To explore an object in space you must design a spacecraft that can land on the object after being launched from Earth. Nobody has managed it, incl. winning my €1M. Many has faked it. Just look at all them clowns/actors claiming they know how to do it. Liars. They are paid to lie.
My contribution is simply to show what they are. Liars.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on May 24, 2017, 07:57:22 PM
Anyway, there is no way for the robots to land anywhere to explore anything. I have proven it since many years. How? Well, nobody has collected my €1M at http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm .
See, there you go being against space exploration again.  Don't whine about why things can't be done.  Figure out how to get them done.  Isn't that what engineers are supposed to do?
Wrong again. To explore an object in space you must design a spacecraft that can land on the object after being launched from Earth. Nobody has managed it, incl. winning my €1M. Many has faked it. Just look at all them clowns/actors claiming they know how to do it. Liars. They are paid to lie.
My contribution is simply to show what they are. Liars.

So far you have utterly failed to win my €1M challenge. Offering this challenge is my way of exposing one of your logical fallacies. This is my contribution.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on May 25, 2017, 03:54:49 AM
The takeaway from this is that according to Heiwa, space travel is impossible because he doesn't like pissing and shitting into gadgets. Ok.
Hm, sending satellites one-way into orbits in space is possible as no toilets are required. It is easy.

Things get difficult, dirty, smelly and shitty if you brings asstronuts aboard for obvious reasons.

Visit http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm for full details.

Please do not suggest that I am against space exploration.

Yes, that's already done. I don't understand your issue, just because it's sort of inconvenient to shit in space, it doesn't mean it's a serious problem. As far as I know, they're sending grown ups up there, not babies.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on May 25, 2017, 04:26:57 AM
Anyway, there is no way for the robots to land anywhere to explore anything. I have proven it since many years. How? Well, nobody has collected my €1M at http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm .
See, there you go being against space exploration again.  Don't whine about why things can't be done.  Figure out how to get them done.  Isn't that what engineers are supposed to do?
Wrong again. To explore an object in space you must design a spacecraft that can land on the object after being launched from Earth. Nobody has managed it, incl. winning my €1M. Many has faked it. Just look at all them clowns/actors claiming they know how to do it. Liars. They are paid to lie.
My contribution is simply to show what they are. Liars.
Are you sure that you're for space exploration?  There seems to be an awful lot of people doing an awful lot of "fake research" for space exploration to be impossible.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 25, 2017, 06:10:35 AM
Anyway, there is no way for the robots to land anywhere to explore anything. I have proven it since many years. How? Well, nobody has collected my €1M at http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm .
See, there you go being against space exploration again.  Don't whine about why things can't be done.  Figure out how to get them done.  Isn't that what engineers are supposed to do?
Wrong again. To explore an object in space you must design a spacecraft that can land on the object after being launched from Earth. Nobody has managed it, incl. winning my €1M. Many has faked it. Just look at all them clowns/actors claiming they know how to do it. Liars. They are paid to lie.
My contribution is simply to show what they are. Liars.
Are you sure that you're for space exploration?  There seems to be an awful lot of people doing an awful lot of "fake research" for space exploration to be impossible.
Yes, I am for space explorations. By robots. Humans have no chance in space apart from the lack of toilets.

But plenty criminals are paid to assist exploring space. Are you one of them?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on May 25, 2017, 06:21:56 AM
Anyway, there is no way for the robots to land anywhere to explore anything. I have proven it since many years. How? Well, nobody has collected my €1M at http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm .
See, there you go being against space exploration again.  Don't whine about why things can't be done.  Figure out how to get them done.  Isn't that what engineers are supposed to do?
Wrong again. To explore an object in space you must design a spacecraft that can land on the object after being launched from Earth. Nobody has managed it, incl. winning my €1M. Many has faked it. Just look at all them clowns/actors claiming they know how to do it. Liars. They are paid to lie.
My contribution is simply to show what they are. Liars.
Are you sure that you're for space exploration?  There seems to be an awful lot of people doing an awful lot of "fake research" for space exploration to be impossible.
Yes, I am for space explorations. By robots. Humans have no chance in space apart from the lack of toilets.

But plenty criminals are paid to assist exploring space. Are you one of them?
Prove it.  Show your evidence here where you make the claim.  Yet another failure.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on May 25, 2017, 06:29:42 AM
Anyway, there is no way for the robots to land anywhere to explore anything. I have proven it since many years. How? Well, nobody has collected my €1M at http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm .
See, there you go being against space exploration again.  Don't whine about why things can't be done.  Figure out how to get them done.  Isn't that what engineers are supposed to do?
Wrong again. To explore an object in space you must design a spacecraft that can land on the object after being launched from Earth. Nobody has managed it, incl. winning my €1M. Many has faked it. Just look at all them clowns/actors claiming they know how to do it. Liars. They are paid to lie.
My contribution is simply to show what they are. Liars.
Are you sure that you're for space exploration?  There seems to be an awful lot of people doing an awful lot of "fake research" for space exploration to be impossible.
Yes, I am for space explorations. By robots. Humans have no chance in space apart from the lack of toilets.

But plenty criminals are paid to assist exploring space. Are you one of them?
Proving the thread title with every post.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on May 25, 2017, 07:33:15 AM
Anyway, there is no way for the robots to land anywhere to explore anything. I have proven it since many years. How? Well, nobody has collected my €1M at http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm .
See, there you go being against space exploration again.  Don't whine about why things can't be done.  Figure out how to get them done.  Isn't that what engineers are supposed to do?
Wrong again. To explore an object in space you must design a spacecraft that can land on the object after being launched from Earth. Nobody has managed it, incl. winning my €1M. Many has faked it. Just look at all them clowns/actors claiming they know how to do it. Liars. They are paid to lie.
My contribution is simply to show what they are. Liars.
Are you sure that you're for space exploration?  There seems to be an awful lot of people doing an awful lot of "fake research" for space exploration to be impossible.
Yes, I am for space explorations. By robots. Humans have no chance in space apart from the lack of toilets.

But plenty criminals are paid to assist exploring space. Are you one of them?
Prove it.  Show your evidence here where you make the claim.  Yet another failure.

Well, how are you supposed to play the banjo while riding a purple werewolf and balancing 7 shot glasses on your nose in 0 gravity?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on May 25, 2017, 09:36:02 AM
Anyway, there is no way for the robots to land anywhere to explore anything. I have proven it since many years. How? Well, nobody has collected my €1M at http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm .
See, there you go being against space exploration again.  Don't whine about why things can't be done.  Figure out how to get them done.  Isn't that what engineers are supposed to do?
Wrong again. To explore an object in space you must design a spacecraft that can land on the object after being launched from Earth. Nobody has managed it, incl. winning my €1M. Many has faked it. Just look at all them clowns/actors claiming they know how to do it. Liars. They are paid to lie.
My contribution is simply to show what they are. Liars.
Are you sure that you're for space exploration?  There seems to be an awful lot of people doing an awful lot of "fake research" for space exploration to be impossible.
Yes, I am for space explorations. By robots. Humans have no chance in space apart from the lack of toilets.
Robots may not need to use a toilet, but they still need to land on whatever body they they intend to explore.

But plenty criminals are paid to assist exploring space. Are you one of them?
If you honestly think that criminals are exploring space, then why don't you report them to the appropriate police organization?  After all, if you aren't doing anything to stop the criminals, then you might as well be one of them.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 26, 2017, 12:36:18 AM
Anyway, there is no way for the robots to land anywhere to explore anything. I have proven it since many years. How? Well, nobody has collected my €1M at http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm .
See, there you go being against space exploration again.  Don't whine about why things can't be done.  Figure out how to get them done.  Isn't that what engineers are supposed to do?
Wrong again. To explore an object in space you must design a spacecraft that can land on the object after being launched from Earth. Nobody has managed it, incl. winning my €1M. Many has faked it. Just look at all them clowns/actors claiming they know how to do it. Liars. They are paid to lie.
My contribution is simply to show what they are. Liars.
Are you sure that you're for space exploration?  There seems to be an awful lot of people doing an awful lot of "fake research" for space exploration to be impossible.
Yes, I am for space explorations. By robots. Humans have no chance in space apart from the lack of toilets.
Robots may not need to use a toilet, but they still need to land on whatever body they they intend to explore.

But plenty criminals are paid to assist exploring space. Are you one of them?
If you honestly think that criminals are exploring space, then why don't you report them to the appropriate police organization?  After all, if you aren't doing anything to stop the criminals, then you might as well be one of them.

Hm, a robot spacecraft must first get out of orbit Earth into a trajectory to the target ... and it is not so easy. The target is moving all the time. And upon arrival you have to brake and land. As you have failed to win my Challenge, I assume you are not capable to explain how it is done ... and how much fuel is required.

Exploring space is not criminal but stealing money from people in order to explore space is, IMHO, criminal. But it has been going on for >60 years so nobody cares. I just laugh at the fools involved.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on May 26, 2017, 05:25:22 AM
Hm, a robot spacecraft must first get out of orbit Earth into a trajectory to the target ... and it is not so easy. The target is moving all the time.
People hit moving targets all the time.  Have you never been skeet shooting?

And upon arrival you have to brake and land.
Yes, thanks for stating the obvious.  We've covered this before.  Very difficult, but not impossible if you know what you're doing.

As you have failed to win my Challenge, I assume you are not capable to explain how it is done ... and how much fuel is required.
I don't know of anyone who really gives a rat's ass about your challenge, so I don't understand why you keep bringing it up.

Exploring space is not criminal but stealing money from people in order to explore space is, IMHO, criminal. But it has been going on for >60 years so nobody cares. I just laugh at the fools involved.
Who is stealing money from whom?  Governments have the legal authority to collect taxes from the people.  If they choose to spend it on impossible space exploration, then that's waste, not theft.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 26, 2017, 07:00:25 AM
We've covered this before.  Very difficult, but not impossible if you know what you're doing.

Heiwa is an engineer. You know the engineer credo, right?

EVERYTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE !!!



Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on May 26, 2017, 07:10:14 AM
We've covered this before.  Very difficult, but not impossible if you know what you're doing.

Heiwa is an engineer. You know the engineer credo, right?

EVERYTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE !!!

Actually it comes off less like he thinks it's impossible and more like he can't be bothered:
"Oh my God, you have to launch the spacecraft and then you gotta be pissing in gadgets and on top of that you have to calculate where your target will move to, and then you gotta... Ugh... You gotta brake and land and... Grrr what an ordeal! Leave me alone, I don't want to go to space!"
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on May 26, 2017, 07:15:59 AM
We've covered this before.  Very difficult, but not impossible if you know what you're doing.

Heiwa is an engineer. You know the engineer credo, right?

EVERYTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE !!!

Actually it comes off less like he thinks it's impossible and more like he can't be bothered:
"Oh my God, you have to launch the spacecraft and then you gotta be pissing in gadgets and on top of that you have to calculate where your target will move to, and then you gotta... Ugh... You gotta brake and land and... Grrr what an ordeal! Leave me alone, I don't want to go to space!"
That's really it.  He can't understand it and is too lazy to try so it must be impossible.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 26, 2017, 07:21:51 AM
He's actually just fucking with all of us. He's pretty good at it.   ;)
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 26, 2017, 07:30:02 AM
Hm, a robot spacecraft must first get out of orbit Earth into a trajectory to the target ... and it is not so easy. The target is moving all the time.
People hit moving targets all the time.  Have you never been skeet shooting?

And upon arrival you have to brake and land.
Yes, thanks for stating the obvious.  We've covered this before.  Very difficult, but not impossible if you know what you're doing.

As you have failed to win my Challenge, I assume you are not capable to explain how it is done ... and how much fuel is required.
I don't know of anyone who really gives a rat's ass about your challenge, so I don't understand why you keep bringing it up.

Exploring space is not criminal but stealing money from people in order to explore space is, IMHO, criminal. But it has been going on for >60 years so nobody cares. I just laugh at the fools involved.
Who is stealing money from whom?  Governments have the legal authority to collect taxes from the people.  If they choose to spend it on impossible space exploration, then that's waste, not theft.

The target may be moving at 25 000 m/s in 3D space far away. Not so easy to find. And then you have to stop and land which requires fuel ... that you cannot carry. And what are you going to do after having stopped and landed, apart from a piss and a shit? Exploring?
You sound like a grand child of those twirps that in the 1950's said human space travel was like ... a cruise over the Atlantic ... and asked for money to go to the Moon, etc, etc. They faked everything and the fakery is still going on. Ever heard of the Ponzi scheme? It works best when tax payers' money are involved.

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 26, 2017, 07:36:29 AM
And what are you going to do after having stopped and landed, apart from a piss and a shit?

Eat and drink?  Why have a toilet if there is no ammo to shoot at it?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 26, 2017, 07:46:52 AM
Hey, just solved the toilet problem . . . a ½"x4" pipe nipple and a ball valve.
Put your butthole on the pipe and 'crack' the valve. It will suck your shit out quick.

Not sure I would pee into it though. Probably rip your dick off at the roots.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: frenat on May 26, 2017, 07:52:30 AM
Hm, a robot spacecraft must first get out of orbit Earth into a trajectory to the target ... and it is not so easy. The target is moving all the time.
People hit moving targets all the time.  Have you never been skeet shooting?

And upon arrival you have to brake and land.
Yes, thanks for stating the obvious.  We've covered this before.  Very difficult, but not impossible if you know what you're doing.

As you have failed to win my Challenge, I assume you are not capable to explain how it is done ... and how much fuel is required.
I don't know of anyone who really gives a rat's ass about your challenge, so I don't understand why you keep bringing it up.

Exploring space is not criminal but stealing money from people in order to explore space is, IMHO, criminal. But it has been going on for >60 years so nobody cares. I just laugh at the fools involved.
Who is stealing money from whom?  Governments have the legal authority to collect taxes from the people.  If they choose to spend it on impossible space exploration, then that's waste, not theft.

The target may be moving at 25 000 m/s in 3D space far away. Not so easy to find. And then you have to stop and land which requires fuel ... that you cannot carry. And what are you going to do after having stopped and landed, apart from a piss and a shit? Exploring?
You sound like a grand child of those twirps that in the 1950's said human space travel was like ... a cruise over the Atlantic ... and asked for money to go to the Moon, etc, etc. They faked everything and the fakery is still going on. Ever heard of the Ponzi scheme? It works best when tax payers' money are involved.
translation: I can't understand it so it must be impossible. 
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 26, 2017, 07:56:27 AM
And what are you going to do after having stopped and landed, apart from a piss and a shit?

Eat and drink?  Why have a toilet if there is no ammo to shoot at it?

Eat and drink? In space? You are joking! What was served on Apollo xx was no fresh fish, milk, eggs, meat, etc. Forget lobster and caviar on the ISS!  No, in space it is space rations. Something in a plastic bag. But why eat at all in space? There are much simpler solutions to keep cocumbers alive.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: frenat on May 26, 2017, 07:58:21 AM
And what are you going to do after having stopped and landed, apart from a piss and a shit?

Eat and drink?  Why have a toilet if there is no ammo to shoot at it?

Eat and drink? In space? You are joking! What was served on Apollo xx was no fresh fish, milk, eggs, meat, etc. Forget lobster and caviar on the ISS!  No, in space it is space rations. Something in a plastic bag. But why eat at all in space? There are much simpler solutions to keep cocumbers alive.
Not even bothering to disguise the trolling anymore?  Or just finally gone fully senile?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 26, 2017, 08:00:07 AM
Hm, a robot spacecraft must first get out of orbit Earth into a trajectory to the target ... and it is not so easy. The target is moving all the time.
People hit moving targets all the time.  Have you never been skeet shooting?

And upon arrival you have to brake and land.
Yes, thanks for stating the obvious.  We've covered this before.  Very difficult, but not impossible if you know what you're doing.

As you have failed to win my Challenge, I assume you are not capable to explain how it is done ... and how much fuel is required.
I don't know of anyone who really gives a rat's ass about your challenge, so I don't understand why you keep bringing it up.

Exploring space is not criminal but stealing money from people in order to explore space is, IMHO, criminal. But it has been going on for >60 years so nobody cares. I just laugh at the fools involved.
Who is stealing money from whom?  Governments have the legal authority to collect taxes from the people.  If they choose to spend it on impossible space exploration, then that's waste, not theft.

The target may be moving at 25 000 m/s in 3D space far away. Not so easy to find. And then you have to stop and land which requires fuel ... that you cannot carry. And what are you going to do after having stopped and landed, apart from a piss and a shit? Exploring?
You sound like a grand child of those twirps that in the 1950's said human space travel was like ... a cruise over the Atlantic ... and asked for money to go to the Moon, etc, etc. They faked everything and the fakery is still going on. Ever heard of the Ponzi scheme? It works best when tax payers' money are involved.
translation: I can't understand it so it must be impossible.
Please - when you travel anywhere. Don't you want to have a nice meal? A steak? Sallad? Wine. And a dessert. Ice cream? You sound like a total imbecille. A 0 IQ tomato.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 26, 2017, 08:03:38 AM
And what are you going to do after having stopped and landed, apart from a piss and a shit?

Eat and drink?  Why have a toilet if there is no ammo to shoot at it?

Eat and drink? In space? You are joking! What was served on Apollo xx was no fresh fish, milk, eggs, meat, etc. Forget lobster and caviar on the ISS!  No, in space it is space rations. Something in a plastic bag. But why eat at all in space? There are much simpler solutions to keep cocumbers alive.
Not even bothering to disguise the trolling anymore?  Or just finally gone fully senile?
No, here it is 17 pm and apero time. Dinner is served at 19 pm. Just come around. Have a good time.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: frenat on May 26, 2017, 08:11:48 AM
Hm, a robot spacecraft must first get out of orbit Earth into a trajectory to the target ... and it is not so easy. The target is moving all the time.
People hit moving targets all the time.  Have you never been skeet shooting?

And upon arrival you have to brake and land.
Yes, thanks for stating the obvious.  We've covered this before.  Very difficult, but not impossible if you know what you're doing.

As you have failed to win my Challenge, I assume you are not capable to explain how it is done ... and how much fuel is required.
I don't know of anyone who really gives a rat's ass about your challenge, so I don't understand why you keep bringing it up.

Exploring space is not criminal but stealing money from people in order to explore space is, IMHO, criminal. But it has been going on for >60 years so nobody cares. I just laugh at the fools involved.
Who is stealing money from whom?  Governments have the legal authority to collect taxes from the people.  If they choose to spend it on impossible space exploration, then that's waste, not theft.

The target may be moving at 25 000 m/s in 3D space far away. Not so easy to find. And then you have to stop and land which requires fuel ... that you cannot carry. And what are you going to do after having stopped and landed, apart from a piss and a shit? Exploring?
You sound like a grand child of those twirps that in the 1950's said human space travel was like ... a cruise over the Atlantic ... and asked for money to go to the Moon, etc, etc. They faked everything and the fakery is still going on. Ever heard of the Ponzi scheme? It works best when tax payers' money are involved.
translation: I can't understand it so it must be impossible.
Please - when you travel anywhere. Don't you want to have a nice meal? A steak? Sallad? Wine. And a dessert. Ice cream? You sound like a total imbecille. A 0 IQ tomato.
Translation: Of course I don't understand it but I'll throw around some insults to try to distract from that fact.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: frenat on May 26, 2017, 08:13:26 AM
And what are you going to do after having stopped and landed, apart from a piss and a shit?

Eat and drink?  Why have a toilet if there is no ammo to shoot at it?

Eat and drink? In space? You are joking! What was served on Apollo xx was no fresh fish, milk, eggs, meat, etc. Forget lobster and caviar on the ISS!  No, in space it is space rations. Something in a plastic bag. But why eat at all in space? There are much simpler solutions to keep cocumbers alive.
Not even bothering to disguise the trolling anymore?  Or just finally gone fully senile?
No, here it is 17 pm and apero time. Dinner is served at 19 pm. Just come around. Have a good time.
So senile then.  Your post was in no way a reply to mine.

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 26, 2017, 08:16:09 AM
And what are you going to do after having stopped and landed, apart from a piss and a shit?

Eat and drink?  Why have a toilet if there is no ammo to shoot at it?

Eat and drink? In space? You are joking! What was served on Apollo xx was no fresh fish, milk, eggs, meat, etc. Forget lobster and caviar on the ISS!  No, in space it is space rations. Something in a plastic bag. But why eat at all in space? There are much simpler solutions to keep cocumbers alive.
Not even bothering to disguise the trolling anymore?  Or just finally gone fully senile?
No, here it is 17 pm and apero time. Dinner is served at 19 pm. Just come around. Have a good time.
So senile then.  Your post was in no way a reply to mine.
No, it was an invitation. Do you come?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: frenat on May 26, 2017, 08:22:34 AM
And what are you going to do after having stopped and landed, apart from a piss and a shit?

Eat and drink?  Why have a toilet if there is no ammo to shoot at it?

Eat and drink? In space? You are joking! What was served on Apollo xx was no fresh fish, milk, eggs, meat, etc. Forget lobster and caviar on the ISS!  No, in space it is space rations. Something in a plastic bag. But why eat at all in space? There are much simpler solutions to keep cocumbers alive.
Not even bothering to disguise the trolling anymore?  Or just finally gone fully senile?
No, here it is 17 pm and apero time. Dinner is served at 19 pm. Just come around. Have a good time.
So senile then.  Your post was in no way a reply to mine.
No, it was an invitation. Do you come?
Creepy, senile, old guy inviting me to his place.  No thank you. You'll have to be a predator on someone else.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 26, 2017, 08:54:13 AM
No, it was an invitation. Do you come?

You claim to be rich. I'm poor.
Fund my trip. I would love to hang out with you for a day or two.

I have a passport and all my travel shots.  ;)
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on May 26, 2017, 09:57:13 AM
As you have failed to win my Challenge, I assume you are not capable to explain how it is done
As you have failed to win my challenge I assume you have no idea what you're talking about.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on May 26, 2017, 10:04:54 AM
Please - when you travel anywhere. Don't you want to have a nice meal? A steak? Sallad? Wine. And a dessert. Ice cream?
That depends on whether you're traveling for business or pleasure. 

Yes, space travel requires certain sacrifices and hardships that some are not willing to endure.  Fuck 'em.  There are plenty of hardy adventurers who are more than willing endure much greater hardships than pissing and shitting in bags for the chance to explore the mysteries of space.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on May 26, 2017, 10:14:06 AM
It is not reasonable to conclude that the "climbers" of Mount Everest brought fine wine and food with them to the summit. Therefore I conclude they never climbed it at all. What would be the point if you couldn't have fine dining when you reached the top.

I suspect it was those clown at NASA that spread the Everest lie.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on May 26, 2017, 10:26:03 AM
He's actually just fucking with all of us. He's pretty good at it.   ;)

Probably, but I like it. Still, Intikam exists, so I don't think it's impossible that he's serious.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 26, 2017, 12:04:34 PM
He's actually just fucking with all of us. He's pretty good at it.   ;)

Probably, but I like it. Still, Intikam exists, so I don't think it's impossible that he's serious.


Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 26, 2017, 12:15:24 PM
Please - when you travel anywhere. Don't you want to have a nice meal? A steak? Sallad? Wine. And a dessert. Ice cream?
That depends on whether you're traveling for business or pleasure. 

Yes, space travel requires certain sacrifices and hardships that some are not willing to endure.  Fuck 'em.  There are plenty of hardy adventurers who are more than willing endure much greater hardships than pissing and shitting in bags for the chance to explore the mysteries of space.

Space travel is neither for pleasure nor business. It is for ... what? Exploration? Of what? Mysteries?

What mysteries are you talking about? There is nothing to explore in space. No angels flying around. No green men on the Moon or Mars to encounter. Nothing. Every place is dead! Only planet Earth is fairly comfortable to live at for obvious reasons.

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on May 26, 2017, 12:45:21 PM
What mysteries are you talking about? There is nothing to explore in space. No angels flying around. No green men on the Moon or Mars to encounter. Nothing. Every place is dead! Only planet Earth is fairly comfortable to live at for obvious reasons.
How do you know that everyplace is dead?  Have you looked everyplace for life?  Scientists have found life in some pretty uncomfortable places on earth, so why shouldn't there be life in uncomfortable places in space?

Even is we never find life anywhere else, there is still a lot to learn in space.  Geology of other bodies, planetary and interplanetary weather patterns, insights into the formation of the solar system and the universe in general, just to name a few.  Some even look at the possibility of mining the moon and/or asteroids for valuable resources.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 26, 2017, 12:52:58 PM
Some even look at the possibility of mining the moon and/or asteroids for valuable resources.

I doubt recourse collection will ever be cost effective, but knowledge is priceless.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 26, 2017, 05:53:03 PM
What mysteries are you talking about? There is nothing to explore in space. No angels flying around. No green men on the Moon or Mars to encounter. Nothing. Every place is dead! Only planet Earth is fairly comfortable to live at for obvious reasons.
How do you know that everyplace is dead?  Have you looked everyplace for life?  Scientists have found life in some pretty uncomfortable places on earth, so why shouldn't there be life in uncomfortable places in space?

Even is we never find life anywhere else, there is still a lot to learn in space.  Geology of other bodies, planetary and interplanetary weather patterns, insights into the formation of the solar system and the universe in general, just to name a few.  Some even look at the possibility of mining the moon and/or asteroids for valuable resources.

Mining the Moon! You sound crazy. There is nothing to mine on the Moon. NASA had plans to plant strawberries there and ESA wants to build a hotel. All rididculous ideas.

Interplanetary weather patterns! Nonsense.

But what to expect. You cannot even calculate the trajectory and fuel required for a little trip to the Moon (and back). My Challenge - http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm . Reason is that nobody has ever been on the Moon! NASA faked it 1969. But you believed it happened. LOL!

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on May 26, 2017, 08:38:49 PM
Some even look at the possibility of mining the moon and/or asteroids for valuable resources.

I doubt recourse collection will ever be cost effective, but knowledge is priceless.
That depends.  If you want to colonize space, then it's probably a lot more cost effective to use the resources available in space, rather than to schlep those resources from earth.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on May 26, 2017, 08:44:53 PM
Mining the Moon! You sound crazy. There is nothing to mine on the Moon.
The moon appears to have large supplies of Helium-3, which is quite useful for fusion reactors.

NASA had plans to plant strawberries there and ESA wants to build a hotel. All rididculous ideas.
There was a time when the idea of non-stop intercontinental commercial air travel was ridiculous too.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on May 26, 2017, 09:46:36 PM
Why do you say such stupid things?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on May 26, 2017, 10:39:28 PM
What mysteries are you talking about? There is nothing to explore in space. No angels flying around. No green men on the Moon or Mars to encounter. Nothing. Every place is dead! Only planet Earth is fairly comfortable to live at for obvious reasons.
How do you know that everyplace is dead?  Have you looked everyplace for life?  Scientists have found life in some pretty uncomfortable places on earth, so why shouldn't there be life in uncomfortable places in space?

Even is we never find life anywhere else, there is still a lot to learn in space.  Geology of other bodies, planetary and interplanetary weather patterns, insights into the formation of the solar system and the universe in general, just to name a few.  Some even look at the possibility of mining the moon and/or asteroids for valuable resources.

Mining the Moon! You sound crazy. There is nothing to mine on the Moon. NASA had plans to plant strawberries there and ESA wants to build a hotel. All rididculous ideas.

Interplanetary weather patterns! Nonsense.

But what to expect. You cannot even calculate the trajectory and fuel required for a little trip to the Moon (and back). My Challenge - http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm . Reason is that nobody has ever been on the Moon! NASA faked it 1969. But you believed it happened. LOL!
Accept of course, that's another lie.  You've been given that information many times.  Yet you fail to show any evidence to support your position.  Another fail.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 26, 2017, 10:40:43 PM
Mining the Moon! You sound crazy. There is nothing to mine on the Moon.
The moon appears to have large supplies of Helium-3, which is quite useful for fusion reactors.

LOL - only idiots believe in Helium-3 and that it is embedded in the Moon regolith by solar wind and can be used in a fusion reactor. I remind  you that nobody has won my famous €1M fusion Challenge - http://heiwaco.com/chall3.htm .
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 26, 2017, 10:43:57 PM
What mysteries are you talking about? There is nothing to explore in space. No angels flying around. No green men on the Moon or Mars to encounter. Nothing. Every place is dead! Only planet Earth is fairly comfortable to live at for obvious reasons.
How do you know that everyplace is dead?  Have you looked everyplace for life?  Scientists have found life in some pretty uncomfortable places on earth, so why shouldn't there be life in uncomfortable places in space?

Even is we never find life anywhere else, there is still a lot to learn in space.  Geology of other bodies, planetary and interplanetary weather patterns, insights into the formation of the solar system and the universe in general, just to name a few.  Some even look at the possibility of mining the moon and/or asteroids for valuable resources.

Mining the Moon! You sound crazy. There is nothing to mine on the Moon. NASA had plans to plant strawberries there and ESA wants to build a hotel. All rididculous ideas.

Interplanetary weather patterns! Nonsense.

But what to expect. You cannot even calculate the trajectory and fuel required for a little trip to the Moon (and back). My Challenge - http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm . Reason is that nobody has ever been on the Moon! NASA faked it 1969. But you believed it happened. LOL!
Accept of course, that's another lie.  You've been given that information many times.  Yet you fail to show any evidence to support your position.  Another fail.
Sorry, nobody has been able to show how to calculate the fuel required for a trip to the Moon and back ... and how to get it off the ground on Earth. It is suggested that you need 100's of tons and an enormous rocket that does not exist ... and similar fantasies. Do not make up any stories about me.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on May 27, 2017, 04:04:19 AM
Mining the Moon! You sound crazy. There is nothing to mine on the Moon.
The moon appears to have large supplies of Helium-3, which is quite useful for fusion reactors.

LOL - only idiots believe in Helium-3 and that it is embedded in the Moon regolith by solar wind and can be used in a fusion reactor.
*sigh*  Sorry Anders, but I think that you jumped the shark on this one.

I remind  you that nobody has won my famous €1M fusion Challenge - http://heiwaco.com/chall3.htm .
I remind you that nobody gives a rat's ass about any of your €1M "challenges".
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 27, 2017, 04:09:20 AM
Mining the Moon! You sound crazy. There is nothing to mine on the Moon.
The moon appears to have large supplies of Helium-3, which is quite useful for fusion reactors.

LOL - only idiots believe in Helium-3 and that it is embedded in the Moon regolith by solar wind and can be used in a fusion reactor.
*sigh*  Sorry Anders, but I think that you jumped the shark on this one.

I remind  you that nobody has won my famous €1M fusion Challenge - http://heiwaco.com/chall3.htm .
I remind you that nobody gives a rat's ass about any of your €1M "challenges".
Sorry, you are wrong as usual. He-3 in the Moon regolith ash? You are insane.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: frenat on May 27, 2017, 05:06:38 AM
Mining the Moon! You sound crazy. There is nothing to mine on the Moon.
The moon appears to have large supplies of Helium-3, which is quite useful for fusion reactors.

LOL - only idiots believe in Helium-3 and that it is embedded in the Moon regolith by solar wind and can be used in a fusion reactor. I remind  you that nobody has won my famous €1M fusion Challenge - http://heiwaco.com/chall3.htm .
Nobody CARES about your fraudulent challenge because we all know that the sole judge is a biased pathological liar and likely senile.
You mistake our constant laughing at you for giving a damn about your contest or the non-existent money.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on May 27, 2017, 06:26:23 AM
What mysteries are you talking about? There is nothing to explore in space. No angels flying around. No green men on the Moon or Mars to encounter. Nothing. Every place is dead! Only planet Earth is fairly comfortable to live at for obvious reasons.
How do you know that everyplace is dead?  Have you looked everyplace for life?  Scientists have found life in some pretty uncomfortable places on earth, so why shouldn't there be life in uncomfortable places in space?

Even is we never find life anywhere else, there is still a lot to learn in space.  Geology of other bodies, planetary and interplanetary weather patterns, insights into the formation of the solar system and the universe in general, just to name a few.  Some even look at the possibility of mining the moon and/or asteroids for valuable resources.

Mining the Moon! You sound crazy. There is nothing to mine on the Moon. NASA had plans to plant strawberries there and ESA wants to build a hotel. All rididculous ideas.

Interplanetary weather patterns! Nonsense.

But what to expect. You cannot even calculate the trajectory and fuel required for a little trip to the Moon (and back). My Challenge - http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm . Reason is that nobody has ever been on the Moon! NASA faked it 1969. But you believed it happened. LOL!
Accept of course, that's another lie.  You've been given that information many times.  Yet you fail to show any evidence to support your position.  Another fail.
Sorry, nobody has been able to show how to calculate the fuel required for a trip to the Moon and back ... and how to get it off the ground on Earth. It is suggested that you need 100's of tons and an enormous rocket that does not exist ... and similar fantasies. Do not make up any stories about me.
Liar.  You've been shown that multiple times.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 29, 2017, 10:38:39 PM
http://spacenews.com/4212765th-international-astronautical-congress-nasa-studying-habitation-module/

Chris Moore of NASA thought 2014 astronuts were going to land on an asteroid mid 2020's but I haven't heard from Chris lately. Maybe he is locked up in a mental institution? Anyway, Chris has miserably failed my Challenge.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on May 29, 2017, 11:02:37 PM
Why do you say such stupid things?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 29, 2017, 11:11:11 PM
Why do you say such stupid things?
It is not me; it is Chris Moore, deputy director of the Advanced Exploration Systems Division at NASA headquarters, who said it in a presentation at the 65th International Astronautical Congress  Oct. 3, 2014, i.e. that a spacecraft, intended to serve as a prototype of a habitat for future deep-space missions, could be in place before the first crewed mission visits a captured asteroid in the mid-2020s.

I have only asked Chris about the amount of fuel required, what the purpose of visiting an asteroid is and how to get the crew back to Earth from the asteroid. No reply!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on May 30, 2017, 12:11:54 AM
Why do you say such stupid things?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: onebigmonkey on May 30, 2017, 12:13:50 AM
Plenty people gave you plenty calculations plenty times, you lying fraud.

Go to school:

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 30, 2017, 03:41:22 AM
Plenty people gave you plenty calculations plenty times, you lying fraud.

Go to school:



Thanks for the lesson! Imagine what garbage propaganda NASA could invent in the past. ROTFL
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: frenat on May 30, 2017, 05:44:37 AM
http://spacenews.com/4212765th-international-astronautical-congress-nasa-studying-habitation-module/

Chris Moore of NASA thought 2014 astronuts were going to land on an asteroid mid 2020's but I haven't heard from Chris lately. Maybe he is locked up in a mental institution? Anyway, Chris has miserably failed my Challenge.
He can't fail if he didn't try.  Either provide proof he even knows about your fraudulent "challenge" and cares about it or retract your BS claim.  I'm betting you'll do neither because you're nothing but a pathological liar.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Kami on May 30, 2017, 12:08:32 PM
http://spacenews.com/4212765th-international-astronautical-congress-nasa-studying-habitation-module/

Chris Moore of NASA thought 2014 astronuts were going to land on an asteroid mid 2020's but I haven't heard from Chris lately. Maybe he is locked up in a mental institution? Anyway, Chris has miserably failed my Challenge.
He can't fail if he didn't try.  Either provide proof he even knows about your fraudulent "challenge" and cares about it or retract your BS claim.  I'm betting you'll do neither because you're nothing but a pathological liar.
Not even people that spend their free time arguing on a forum about the shape of the earth are bored enough to do this so-called 'challenge'. I highly doubt any serious NASA scientist would do it, especially as the judge does not even understand high-school physics.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 30, 2017, 12:38:38 PM
http://spacenews.com/4212765th-international-astronautical-congress-nasa-studying-habitation-module/

Chris Moore of NASA thought 2014 astronuts were going to land on an asteroid mid 2020's but I haven't heard from Chris lately. Maybe he is locked up in a mental institution? Anyway, Chris has miserably failed my Challenge.
He can't fail if he didn't try.  Either provide proof he even knows about your fraudulent "challenge" and cares about it or retract your BS claim.  I'm betting you'll do neither because you're nothing but a pathological liar.
Not even people that spend their free time arguing on a forum about the shape of the earth are bored enough to do this so-called 'challenge'. I highly doubt any serious NASA scientist would do it, especially as the judge does not even understand high-school physics.
I agree, no serious NASA scientist would even try my Challenge. Why? There are no serious NASA scientists.
And what about the rest? Isn't €1M award tempting? Or is the Challenge impossible?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: frenat on May 30, 2017, 12:42:38 PM
Nobody believes the €1M is real nor that the judge is competent. 
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on May 30, 2017, 12:54:13 PM
I dare Heiwa to post a photo of him holding even $10k. I'd love to see his excuse.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on May 30, 2017, 03:17:26 PM
I doubt he has fifty cents to his name.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on May 30, 2017, 05:10:32 PM
http://spacenews.com/4212765th-international-astronautical-congress-nasa-studying-habitation-module/

Chris Moore of NASA thought 2014 astronuts were going to land on an asteroid mid 2020's but I haven't heard from Chris lately. Maybe he is locked up in a mental institution? Anyway, Chris has miserably failed my Challenge.
He can't fail if he didn't try.  Either provide proof he even knows about your fraudulent "challenge" and cares about it or retract your BS claim.  I'm betting you'll do neither because you're nothing but a pathological liar.
Not even people that spend their free time arguing on a forum about the shape of the earth are bored enough to do this so-called 'challenge'. I highly doubt any serious NASA scientist would do it, especially as the judge does not even understand high-school physics.

I agree, no serious NASA scientist would even try my Challenge. Why? There are no serious NASA scientists.
And what about the rest? Isn't €1M award tempting? Or is the Challenge impossible?

Maybe you should get one of your roommate's great-grand-kids to teach you how to quote.

No space travel denier has ever won my challenge and that proves that I'm right and they're wrong! Including you. Ha! See what I did there? I doubt it. Maybe your roommate's great grand-kids can explain it to you.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: frenat on May 30, 2017, 05:21:16 PM
I doubt he has fifty cents to his name.
Quite likely.  His nurse probably won't let him have spare change for fear he'd swallow it.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on May 30, 2017, 08:01:53 PM
I have only asked Chris about the amount of fuel required, what the purpose of visiting an asteroid is and how to get the crew back to Earth from the asteroid. No reply!
Have you ever asked Arianespace how much fuel they require to put a satellite into geostationary orbit?  What was their reply?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 30, 2017, 09:44:56 PM
I have only asked Chris about the amount of fuel required, what the purpose of visiting an asteroid is and how to get the crew back to Earth from the asteroid. No reply!
Have you ever asked Arianespace how much fuel they require to put a satellite into geostationary orbit?  What was their reply?
Arianespace uses plenty fuel to launch satellites into orbits. The amount depends on payload and type of orbit. It seems NASA/SpaceX does the same thing using much less fuel. I explain the differences at my website. Why does Arianespace use such wasteful rockets?

Re the Challenge money - anyone only has to visit my office and see the records of my assets. I even serve free coffee to my visitors.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on May 30, 2017, 09:56:29 PM
I have only asked Chris about the amount of fuel required, what the purpose of visiting an asteroid is and how to get the crew back to Earth from the asteroid. No reply!
Have you ever asked Arianespace how much fuel they require to put a satellite into geostationary orbit?  What was their reply?
Arianespace uses plenty fuel to launch satellites into orbits. The amount depends on payload and type of orbit. It seems NASA/SpaceX does the same thing using much less fuel. I explain the differences at my website. Why does Arianespace use such wasteful rockets?

Re the Challenge money - anyone only has to visit my office and see the records of my assets. I even serve free coffee to my visitors.
You know nobody believes you right?  You have proven yourself to be a liar and an idiot all to often.  You have never once supplied any evidence to support your claims, you have ignored the multiple times people have supplied you with evidence.  Your a pathetic little man and I think I'm done with you.  Hopefully everyone else will just put you on ignore as well.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on May 30, 2017, 10:19:31 PM
I have only asked Chris about the amount of fuel required, what the purpose of visiting an asteroid is and how to get the crew back to Earth from the asteroid. No reply!
Have you ever asked Arianespace how much fuel they require to put a satellite into geostationary orbit?  What was their reply?
Arianespace uses plenty fuel to launch satellites into orbits. The amount depends on payload and type of orbit. It seems NASA/SpaceX does the same thing using much less fuel. I explain the differences at my website. Why does Arianespace use such wasteful rockets?

Re the Challenge money - anyone only has to visit my office and see the records of my assets. I even serve free coffee to my visitors.
You know nobody believes you right?  You have proven yourself to be a liar and an idiot all to often.  You have never once supplied any evidence to support your claims, you have ignored the multiple times people have supplied you with evidence.  Your a pathetic little man and I think I'm done with you.  Hopefully everyone else will just put you on ignore as well.
Hm, I think you are jealous that I am clever, intelligent, goodlooking and rich, while you are not. But such is life. Unfair. Winners like me and losers like you.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on May 30, 2017, 10:41:45 PM
Hm, I think you are jealous that I am clever, intelligent, goodlooking and rich, while you are not. But such is life. Unfair. Winners like me and losers like you.

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Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: tomato on May 31, 2017, 06:28:16 AM
Yeah I'm here for lolz.

I read your paper by the way, I couldn't see anything erroneous with it other than not mentioning the fact that the spacecraft's orbit would have the barycentre of the Earth/Moon system at it's foci. It is quite a large difference relative to Earth (over 4000km from the planet's centre), but I guess this would come under the 5th simplification about the Moon's gravity.

Actually, elliptical orbits around a barycenter are only valid in 2-body problems.

The Earth, Moon, spacecraft situation is truly a 3-body problem. If we neglect the spacecraft's gravitation, this might be called a "constrained" 3-body problem. Regardless, it means you need numerical approximations - the motion can't be solved for explicitly (no matter how good you are :p )

Kami's paper is actually a 1-body derivation; it assumes the Earth remains motionless at the origin, and omits every other force.

Anyway, please continue with your lolz

(edit: why did I think I was replying to a recent post? I'm not sure...)
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on May 31, 2017, 06:35:30 AM
I have only asked Chris about the amount of fuel required, what the purpose of visiting an asteroid is and how to get the crew back to Earth from the asteroid. No reply!
Have you ever asked Arianespace how much fuel they require to put a satellite into geostationary orbit?  What was their reply?
Arianespace uses plenty fuel to launch satellites into orbits.
Sorry, but an answer like that won't win your challenge.  How do they get all that fuel off the ground in the first place?

The amount depends on payload and type of orbit. It seems NASA/SpaceX does the same thing using much less fuel.
How do you know if NASA/SpaceX use more or less fuel if nobody is telling you just how much fuel they're using?

I explain the differences at my website. Why does Arianespace use such wasteful rockets?
Why do you own stock in a company that knowingly participates in a criminal conspiracy to defraud tax payers?

Re the Challenge money - anyone only has to visit my office and see the records of my assets. I even serve free coffee to my visitors.
Why do you keep bringing up a challenge that no one cares about?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Dog on May 31, 2017, 12:35:24 PM
Re the Challenge money - anyone only has to visit my office and see the records of my assets. I even serve free coffee to my visitors.

Why should we believe a liar? Oh and you have yet to win my "Prove you know more than high school algebra" challenge.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on June 01, 2017, 03:06:15 AM
Hm, I think you are jealous that I am clever, intelligent, goodlooking and rich, while you are not. But such is life. Unfair. Winners like me and losers like you.

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The only appropriate reply.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 01, 2017, 08:44:52 PM
http://www.arianespace.com/press-releases/?taxonomy%5Bpress-release-category%5D=ariane-5

and I am a happy share holder!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on June 02, 2017, 10:42:17 AM
http://www.arianespace.com/press-releases/?taxonomy%5Bpress-release-category%5D=ariane-5

and I am a happy share holder!

Well done. How much do you own, 0,00001%?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 03, 2017, 07:38:01 AM
http://www.arianespace.com/press-releases/?taxonomy%5Bpress-release-category%5D=ariane-5

and I am a happy share holder!

Well done. How much do you own, 0,00001%?

I have only 1 300 shares in Airbus NV, which is a majority owner of Arianespace. I wish I had more.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: onebigmonkey on June 03, 2017, 08:10:40 AM
When is owning shares in a company not owning shares in a company...?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 03, 2017, 08:31:19 AM
When is owning shares in a company not owning shares in a company...?
I don't know. I just invest in shares to increase my fortune. Do you have one?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on June 03, 2017, 08:53:45 AM
http://www.arianespace.com/press-releases/?taxonomy%5Bpress-release-category%5D=ariane-5

and I am a happy share holder!

Well done. How much do you own, 0,00001%?

I have only 1 300 shares in Airbus NV, which is a majority owner of Arianespace. I wish I had more.

How did you get shares without money?  ::)
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on June 03, 2017, 08:55:55 AM
When is owning shares in a company not owning shares in a company...?
I don't know. I just invest in shares to increase my fortune. Do you have one?

The fact that you're a 70-something year old man who wants to increase his supposed fortune amuses me to no end.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 03, 2017, 09:05:49 AM
http://www.arianespace.com/press-releases/?taxonomy%5Bpress-release-category%5D=ariane-5

and I am a happy share holder!

Well done. How much do you own, 0,00001%?

I have only 1 300 shares in Airbus NV, which is a majority owner of Arianespace. I wish I had more.

How did you get shares without money?  ::)

My bank does not buy shares for my account without real money provided ... by me.

Why do you ask? Plan insider trading with borrowed funds from outer space?

If so, you'll make much more money on the stock exchange than me.

I am sure.

I, on the orther hand, just buy shares to avoid being paid 0% interest on bank savings.

What do you do with your money? Put it in the mattress to sleep on. You sound utterly stupid. Get some professional advice ... if you can afford it.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on June 03, 2017, 09:52:40 AM

My bank does not buy shares for my account without real money provided ... by me.


It's a pity that they would never accept the money you offer for your challenge then   ::)

Quote
You sound utterly stupid.
Yes you do.

I'm sure you'll have a blast with all that money you'll have by the time you're 90  ::)
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on June 03, 2017, 10:10:59 AM
http://www.arianespace.com/press-releases/?taxonomy%5Bpress-release-category%5D=ariane-5

and I am a happy share holder!

Well done. How much do you own, 0,00001%?

According to his claim of 1300 shares  :-\, he owns 0.000168112% of the company.

That's worth about €6136.

Not even close to €100M.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 03, 2017, 10:50:51 AM
http://www.arianespace.com/press-releases/?taxonomy%5Bpress-release-category%5D=ariane-5

and I am a happy share holder!

Well done. How much do you own, 0,00001%?

According to his claim of 1300 shares  :-\, he owns 0.000168112% of the company.

That's worth about €6136.

Not even close to €100M.

? according http://www.airbusgroup.com/int/en.html stock price yesterday was €75.60 . So my stake is worth €98 280. I paid much less = I am a winner. And it it only a fraction of my total fortune. Reason why you are poor and stupid is that you are stupid and poor. Don't blame me for it.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on June 03, 2017, 11:00:51 AM
Boots, just pretend you're really jealous, it makes Heiwa feel great for himself.

I wish I was an old curmudgeon like you Heiwa!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on June 03, 2017, 11:06:46 AM
http://www.arianespace.com/press-releases/?taxonomy%5Bpress-release-category%5D=ariane-5

and I am a happy share holder!

Well done. How much do you own, 0,00001%?

According to his claim of 1300 shares  :-\, he owns 0.000168112% of the company.

That's worth about €6136.

Not even close to €100M.

? according http://www.airbusgroup.com/int/en.html stock price yesterday was €75.60 . So my stake is worth €98 280. I paid much less = I am a winner. And it it only a fraction of my total fortune. Reason why you are poor and stupid is that you are stupid and poor. Don't blame me for it.

I was basing it off of the net worth of the company. The only things that have been established are the number of shares Airbus has issued and their value. You claim to own 1300 of them and you claim this is is only a fraction of your total fortune. (Whatever that means. Like 99/100ths?)

BTW reason why you are a curmudgeon is that you are a curmudgeon. Don't blame me for it.

Edit: *Curmudgeon*
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 03, 2017, 11:12:23 AM
http://www.arianespace.com/press-releases/?taxonomy%5Bpress-release-category%5D=ariane-5

and I am a happy share holder!

Well done. How much do you own, 0,00001%?

According to his claim of 1300 shares  :-\, he owns 0.000168112% of the company.

That's worth about €6136.

Not even close to €100M.

? according http://www.airbusgroup.com/int/en.html stock price yesterday was €75.60 . So my stake is worth €98 280. I paid much less = I am a winner. And it it only a fraction of my total fortune. Reason why you are poor and stupid is that you are stupid and poor. Don't blame me for it.

I was basing it off of the net worth of the company. the only things that have been established are the number of shares Airbus has issued and their value. You claim to own 1300 of them and you claim this is is only a fraction of your total fortune. (Whatever that means. Like 99/100ths?)

BTW reason why you are a lying curmudgeon is that you are a lying curmudgeon. Don't blame me for it.

Edit: *Curmudgeon*

Well, you sound like being poor and ugly. Knowing nothing about topic - orbital mechanics. A shill!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on June 03, 2017, 11:18:36 AM
Well, you sound like being...ugly. Knowing nothing about topic.

How does an ugly person sound exactly?

I thought it was you that didn't understand the topic. That's why you claim it is impossible!

But I suppose an old curmudgeon like you will never change!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on June 03, 2017, 11:23:26 AM
From now on Heiwa will officially be referred to as a curmudgeon.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 03, 2017, 11:28:34 AM
Well, you sound like being...ugly. Knowing nothing about topic.

How does an ugly person sound exactly?


Look in a mirror and say AHH!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on June 03, 2017, 11:29:59 AM
Well, you sound like being...ugly. Knowing nothing about topic.

How does an ugly person sound exactly?


Look in a mirror and say AHH!

I'm curious, how did you LISTEN what Boots SOUNDS like?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on June 03, 2017, 11:36:27 AM
Well, you sound like being...ugly. Knowing nothing about topic.

How does an ugly person sound exactly?


Look in a mirror and say AHH!

I don't know if a curmudgeon such as yourself is able to follow this, but you've just committed a logical fallacy. You accused me of sounding like an ugly person. When asked to describe what that would sound like you respond with "it sounds like you."

This type of fallacy is most often seen among second grade students, which I suppose you could still be considered to be, since it doesn't appear that you ever completed second grade.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on June 03, 2017, 11:38:52 AM
The real fallacy here is Heiwa of all people calling someone ugly.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on June 03, 2017, 11:42:16 AM
I suppose he thinks that stupid smirk is handsome or something. LOL
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on June 03, 2017, 12:17:47 PM
I suppose he thinks that stupid smirk is handsome or something. LOL

He looks like a drunk, thrift shop version of George Bush Jr.

Sorry curmudgeon. You asked for it.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 03, 2017, 01:34:40 PM
You know the reason why I respond to all these stupid post?  It is so funny.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on June 03, 2017, 01:36:16 PM
That is exactly what an old curmudgeon would say!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 03, 2017, 01:48:31 PM
You know the reason why I respond to all these stupid post?  It is so funny.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on June 03, 2017, 01:52:49 PM
Did you forget? You just said that. Don't worry, it eventually happens to the best of us.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 03, 2017, 02:10:18 PM
No, I just said: You know the reason why I respond to all these stupid post?  It is so funny.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on June 03, 2017, 02:12:54 PM
But why do you keep saying that over and over? Is it all you can think of to say? Have you run out of ways to try and justify your ridiculous positions?

Or, are you just an old curmudgeon that doesn't realize he is repeating himself every few minutes?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on June 03, 2017, 03:32:43 PM
The LP is skipping.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on June 03, 2017, 11:01:29 PM
The LP is skipping.

Someone has to introduce him to the digital era. Vinyl is nice and all, but not without its shortcomings. I hear there are plenty of computer education programs for old people, and not too pricey either.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: tomato on June 03, 2017, 11:14:38 PM
The LP is skipping.

Someone has to introduce him to the digital era. Vinyl is nice and all, but not without its shortcomings. I hear there are plenty of computer education programs for old people, and not too pricey either.

Hey, fine, insult Heiwa, but don't insult my vinyl!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on June 03, 2017, 11:55:39 PM
The LP is skipping.

Someone has to introduce him to the digital era. Vinyl is nice and all, but not without its shortcomings. I hear there are plenty of computer education programs for old people, and not too pricey either.

Hey, fine, insult Heiwa, but don't insult my vinyl!

I'm not insulting your vinyl, I think vinyl sounds way better and I have many LPs (including Wish You Were Here, as referenced in your sig). It's just that some stingy curmudgeons buy the cheapest record players they can find. They skip a lot.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on June 03, 2017, 11:56:13 PM
Vinyl is nice and all, but not without its shortcomings.

The beauty of vinyl, besides treating the media with the respect it deserves,
is that it is a listening experience start to finish.

From Pink Floyd to Beethoven.

However, some stuff should be released as MP3, free with a purchase of 5 quarts of motor oil.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on June 04, 2017, 12:09:18 AM
Vinyl is nice and all, but not without its shortcomings.

The beauty of vinyl, besides treating the media with the respect it deserves,
is that it is a listening experience start to finish.

From Pink Floyd to Beethoven.

However, some stuff should be released as MP3, free with a purchase of 5 quarts of motor oil.

Some stuff especially by Pink Floyd is much better to listen to on vinyl for a couple of additional reasons. On Dark Side of the Moon, every track smoothly transitions to the next one, as if it's one piece. If you try to listen to songs isolated, it's not how it was "meant" to be, and also on CDs there's a pause between tracks, so the transition isn't smooth any more.

For classical stuff if doesn't seem to me that it matters as much, since they weren't made for LPs anyways, but still the sound is deeper, warmer and fuzzier on vinyls.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: tomato on June 04, 2017, 12:49:30 AM
The LP is skipping.

Someone has to introduce him to the digital era. Vinyl is nice and all, but not without its shortcomings. I hear there are plenty of computer education programs for old people, and not too pricey either.

Hey, fine, insult Heiwa, but don't insult my vinyl!

I'm not insulting your vinyl, I think vinyl sounds way better and I have many LPs (including Wish You Were Here, as referenced in your sig). It's just that some stingy curmudgeons buy the cheapest record players they can find. They skip a lot.

I know, I was joking. But seeing another Pink Floyd fan is always a good thing. I think Wish You Were Here was one of their best (but personally I can't put anything over the stuff with Syd).
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on June 04, 2017, 12:53:16 AM

I know, I was joking. But seeing another Pink Floyd fan is always a good thing. I think Wish You Were Here was one of their best (but personally I can't put anything over the stuff with Syd).

I personally don't like the stuff with Syd as much. I love the stuff after Meddle. WYWH is my personal favorite.

Btw Roger Waters released a new album the day before yesterday. I heard it, it's ok. Actually it's better than I expected.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on June 04, 2017, 01:46:36 AM
Vinyl is nice and all, but not without its shortcomings.

The beauty of vinyl, besides treating the media with the respect it deserves,
is that it is a listening experience start to finish.

From Pink Floyd to Beethoven.

However, some stuff should be released as MP3, free with a purchase of 5 quarts of motor oil.

Some stuff especially by Pink Floyd is much better to listen to on vinyl for a couple of additional reasons. On Dark Side of the Moon, every track smoothly transitions to the next one, as if it's one piece. If you try to listen to songs isolated, it's not how it was "meant" to be, and also on CDs there's a pause between tracks, so the transition isn't smooth any more.

For classical stuff if doesn't seem to me that it matters as much, since they weren't made for LPs anyways, but still the sound is deeper, warmer and fuzzier on vinyls.


Even Blondie 'Parallel Lines' on vinyl sounds better than digital.

Knowing you can't tap a button to pause the music to throw something at the stupid fucking cat sharpening it's claws on the couch makes the music experience better.
(lock the cat out of the listening room before you drop the tonearm.)

And turn off the telephone for an hour. You won't die.



Back in MY day, you little sons o' bitches . . . . . Get off my lawn !!!    ;D
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: tomato on June 04, 2017, 01:58:00 AM

I know, I was joking. But seeing another Pink Floyd fan is always a good thing. I think Wish You Were Here was one of their best (but personally I can't put anything over the stuff with Syd).

I personally don't like the stuff with Syd as much. I love the stuff after Meddle. WYWH is my personal favorite.

Btw Roger Waters released a new album the day before yesterday. I heard it, it's ok. Actually it's better than I expected.

How did I not hear about that? He's touring too. Wow. Thanks for dropping that bomb on me. :P Actually though, I'm curious to listen to this.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 04, 2017, 02:20:19 AM
Vinyl is nice and all, but not without its shortcomings.

The beauty of vinyl, besides treating the media with the respect it deserves,
is that it is a listening experience start to finish.

From Pink Floyd to Beethoven.

However, some stuff should be released as MP3, free with a purchase of 5 quarts of motor oil.

Some stuff especially by Pink Floyd is much better to listen to on vinyl for a couple of additional reasons. On Dark Side of the Moon, every track smoothly transitions to the next one, as if it's one piece. If you try to listen to songs isolated, it's not how it was "meant" to be, and also on CDs there's a pause between tracks, so the transition isn't smooth any more.

For classical stuff if doesn't seem to me that it matters as much, since they weren't made for LPs anyways, but still the sound is deeper, warmer and fuzzier on vinyls.


Even Blondie 'Parallel Lines' on vinyl sounds better than digital.

Knowing you can't tap a button to pause the music to throw something at the stupid fucking cat sharpening it's claws on the couch makes the music experience better.
(lock the cat out of the listening room before you drop the tonearm.)

And turn off the telephone for an hour. You won't die.



Back in MY day, you little sons o' bitches . . . . . Get off my lawn !!!    ;D

It is much better just to listen to the HF tapes made of the jam sessions and shows back in the early 1970's, if you have the possibility. My friend 'John Speedy Queen' had 100's of hours of good music incl. his Hotel California to listen to ... all done by the Master himself ... while enjoying an early, tripple G&T on the balcony overlooking the Mediterranean with Blondie popping by to find some stuff that she could reuse. Those were the times.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on June 04, 2017, 02:33:21 AM
Even Blondie 'Parallel Lines' on vinyl sounds better than digital.

Knowing you can't tap a button to pause the music to throw something at the stupid fucking cat sharpening it's claws on the couch makes the music experience better.
(lock the cat out of the listening room before you drop the tonearm.)

And turn off the telephone for an hour. You won't die.



Back in MY day, you little sons o' bitches . . . . . Get off my lawn !!!    ;D

Well, to be fair, on CDs it is easier to make the stupid fucking cat singing to shut up, especially when it comes to Blondie!  ;D

Just joking, Blondie's ok, but not all of their music has aged that well.

I was checking the best selling classic rock vinyls on public (public is a really popular and big tech, book and music shop in greece). Some Deep Purple were there. A hint of Beatles and Rolling Stones. Even Jethro Tull were on the first page. Led Zeppelin were there A LOT. David Bowie as well. Almost the entirety of the first page was comprised of Floyd albums, the number one best seller being the Wall, the second being WYWH. I guess it goes to show which bands better stood the test of time. Some of the stuff that used to be really popular back then is a bit hard to resonate with today, because they were so tainted with 60s-70s colour. When you listen to Kashmir or Time or Hey You, they sound really modern and timeless. I really like some of the Beatles stuff (While My Guitar Gently Weeps is one of my favorite songs ever) and some Stones stuff is nice as well, but a lot of the times they sound like relics, and even a bit annoying or cheesy.

Rock has lost its way now... Most new rock artists are more interested in cranking the distortion to 11 and growl while their fans push its other in pits. You also get bands trying to immitate Nirvana and the like because they want to be like the cool boys, but there's a reason Cobain was singing:

"He's the one
Who likes all our pretty songs
And he likes to sing along
And he likes to shoot his gun
But he knows not what it means"


I like what this thread has become though  ;D
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on June 04, 2017, 02:37:03 AM
Even Blondie 'Parallel Lines' on vinyl sounds better than digital.

Knowing you can't tap a button to pause the music to throw something at the stupid fucking cat sharpening it's claws on the couch makes the music experience better.
(lock the cat out of the listening room before you drop the tonearm.)

And turn off the telephone for an hour. You won't die.



Back in MY day, you little sons o' bitches . . . . . Get off my lawn !!!    ;D

Well, to be fair, on CDs it is easier to make the stupid fucking cat singing to shut up, especially when it comes to Blondie!  ;D

Just joking, Blondie's ok, but not all of their music has aged that well.

I was checking the best selling classic rock vinyls on public (public is a really popular and big tech, book and music shop in greece). Some Deep Purple were there. A hint of Beatles and Rolling Stones. Even Jethro Tull were on the first page. Led Zeppelin were there A LOT. David Bowie as well. Almost the entirety of the first page was comprised of Floyd albums, the number one best seller being the Wall, the second being WYWH. I guess it goes to show which bands better stood the test of time. Some of the stuff that used to be really popular back then is a bit hard to resonate with today, because they were so tainted with 60s-70s colour. When you listen to Kashmir or Time or Hey You, they sound really modern and timeless. I really like some of the Beatles stuff (While My Guitar Gently Weeps is one of my favorite songs ever) and some Stones stuff is nice as well, but a lot of the times they sound like relics, and even a bit annoying or cheesy.

Rock has lost its way now... Most new rock artists are more interested in cranking the distortion to 11 and growl while their fans push its other in pits. You also get bands trying to immitate Nirvana and the like because they want to be like the cool boys, but there's a reason Cobain was singing:

"He's the one
Who likes all our pretty songs
And he likes to sing along
And he likes to shoot his gun
But he knows not what it means"


I like what this thread has become though  ;D

When loosely defined you might say that orbital mechanics are involved in records and CDs so I think we're still good topic wise. And the title still holds, most likely.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on June 04, 2017, 02:40:14 AM

I know, I was joking. But seeing another Pink Floyd fan is always a good thing. I think Wish You Were Here was one of their best (but personally I can't put anything over the stuff with Syd).

I personally don't like the stuff with Syd as much. I love the stuff after Meddle. WYWH is my personal favorite.

Btw Roger Waters released a new album the day before yesterday. I heard it, it's ok. Actually it's better than I expected.

How did I not hear about that? He's touring too. Wow. Thanks for dropping that bomb on me. :P Actually though, I'm curious to listen to this.

I expected him to make a somewhat unintetesting musically album of him being a 70 year old curmudgeon. But it's ok. There still is a bit curmudgeonly and not very subtle, but some songs are actually very good. Not very original, but still good. There are also many hints of old Floyd Albums, which I don't appreciate too much (I don't like it when artists reference their older work), but some people will like that, and I think deja vu and memories of older days is a theme of the album.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on June 04, 2017, 02:42:06 AM

When loosely defined you might say that orbital mechanics are involved in records and CDs so I think we're still good topic wise. And the title still holds, most likely.

I hope some mod doesn't move this to Arts and Entertainment, I don't like chasing threads around the site.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 04, 2017, 02:45:11 AM
Personally I prefer the original Hotel California by the Master himself, solo ... "some drinks to remember, some drinks to forget" ... but then the Eagles came around and changed drinks to dances ... and the whole thing was destroyed. But it sold in millions and was the top for months.

But this was before I became an expert of orbital mechanics. Topic.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on June 04, 2017, 02:48:51 AM

. . . . . while enjoying an early, tripple G&T on the balcony overlooking the Mediterranean with Blondie popping by to find some stuff that she could reuse. Those were the times.



OMG, you're fuckin' Forest Gump !!!    ::)
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on June 04, 2017, 02:54:24 AM
Here is his unedited post . . . . .


It is much better just to listen to the HF tapes made of the jam sessions and shows back in the early 1970's, if you have the possibility. My friend 'John Speedy Queen' had 100's of hours of good music incl. his Hotel California to listen to ... all done by the Master himself ... while enjoying an early, tripple G&T on the balcony overlooking the Mediterranean with Blondie popping by to find some stuff that she could reuse. Those were the times.

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on June 04, 2017, 04:20:35 AM
Personally I prefer the original Hotel California by the Master himself, solo ... "some drinks to remember, some drinks to forget" ... but then the Eagles came around and changed drinks to dances ... and the whole thing was destroyed. But it sold in millions and was the top for months.

But this was before I became an expert of orbital mechanics. Topic.

Everything that ever happened so far has been before you became an expert of orbital mechanics.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on June 04, 2017, 04:23:17 AM
Also, what's the "original" Hotel California? Who's the "Master"?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on June 04, 2017, 04:38:22 AM
Also, what's the "original" Hotel California? Who's the "Master"?


The "original" Hotel California . . . . .
 http://hotelcaliforniabaja.com/press/HC_History.html (http://hotelcaliforniabaja.com/press/HC_History.html). 

The 'Master' is his uncle Ned 'the Impaler' (if you know what I mean.)
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on June 04, 2017, 04:43:19 AM
Personally I prefer the original Hotel California by the Master himself, solo ... "some drinks to remember, some drinks to forget" ... but then the Eagles came around and changed drinks to dances ... and the whole thing was destroyed. But it sold in millions and was the top for months.

But this was before I became an expert of orbital mechanics. Topic.

Everything that ever happened so far has been before you became an expert of orbital mechanics.

(http://rs217.pbsrc.com/albums/cc81/njriverman/Animated-gifs/2sgn082goodpost.gif~c200)
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on June 04, 2017, 04:53:28 AM
Also, what's the "original" Hotel California? Who's the "Master"?


The "original" Hotel California . . . . .
 http://hotelcaliforniabaja.com/press/HC_History.html (http://hotelcaliforniabaja.com/press/HC_History.html). 

The 'Master' is his uncle Ned 'the Impaler' (if you know what I mean.)

I take it that Heiwa was a big fan of the weed in that place?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on June 04, 2017, 06:10:30 AM
Also, what's the "original" Hotel California? Who's the "Master"?


The "original" Hotel California . . . . .
 http://hotelcaliforniabaja.com/press/HC_History.html (http://hotelcaliforniabaja.com/press/HC_History.html). 

The 'Master' is his uncle Ned 'the Impaler' (if you know what I mean.)

I take it that Heiwa was a big fan of the weed in that place?


He invented 'the weed', as part of a top secret psych-ops campaign,
and now claims it can not exist on Earth.

Because boats.   :P
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 04, 2017, 06:23:29 AM
Also, what's the "original" Hotel California? Who's the "Master"?

The Master wrote/composed it in say 20 minutes but then the text was 'Some drink to remember, some drink to forget', etc, etc.  http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/eagles/hotelcalifornia.html and he played it himself, solo. Then he sold the song to the Eagles that changed the text. He has written plenty other songs, e.g. for Blondie.
The Master's lady drinking buddy in California providing inspiration was probably Janis Joplin that died soon after. Sad story.


Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on June 04, 2017, 07:55:03 AM
Also, what's the "original" Hotel California? Who's the "Master"?

The Master wrote/composed it in say 20 minutes but then the text was 'Some drink to remember, some drink to forget', etc, etc.  http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/eagles/hotelcalifornia.html and he played it himself, solo. Then he sold the song to the Eagles that changed the text. He has written plenty other songs, e.g. for Blondie.
The Master's lady drinking buddy in California providing inspiration was probably Janis Joplin that died soon after. Sad story.

Yes, but who's the Master?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on June 04, 2017, 07:55:55 AM
Also, what's the "original" Hotel California? Who's the "Master"?


The "original" Hotel California . . . . .
 http://hotelcaliforniabaja.com/press/HC_History.html (http://hotelcaliforniabaja.com/press/HC_History.html). 

The 'Master' is his uncle Ned 'the Impaler' (if you know what I mean.)

I take it that Heiwa was a big fan of the weed in that place?


He invented 'the weed', as part of a top secret psych-ops campaign,
and now claims it can not exist on Earth.

Because boats.   :P
;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 04, 2017, 08:29:26 AM
Also, what's the "original" Hotel California? Who's the "Master"?

The Master wrote/composed it in say 20 minutes but then the text was 'Some drink to remember, some drink to forget', etc, etc.  http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/eagles/hotelcalifornia.html and he played it himself, solo. Then he sold the song to the Eagles that changed the text. He has written plenty other songs, e.g. for Blondie.
The Master's lady drinking buddy in California providing inspiration was probably Janis Joplin that died soon after. Sad story.

Yes, but who's the Master?

He who composed, wrote and played the song 'Hotel California' was a genious. Haven't seen him lately though. We are getting older. The Eagles paid him generously for it. Ask them.
Suggest you return to topic. Show that you know basic orbital mechanics and can calculate the fuel required to travel to the Moon - http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on June 04, 2017, 08:37:03 AM

Yes, but who's the Master?


He who composed, wrote and played the song 'Hotel California' was a genious. Haven't seen him lately though. We are getting older. The Eagles paid him generously for it. Ask them.
Suggest you return to topic.



No, this is going to be way more fun.    ;D
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on June 04, 2017, 08:42:30 AM

Yes, but who's the Master?


He who composed, wrote and played the song 'Hotel California' was a genious. Haven't seen him lately though. We are getting older. The Eagles paid him generously for it. Ask them.
Suggest you return to topic.



No, this is going to be way more fun.    ;D

We're in for a ride...
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on June 04, 2017, 08:43:45 AM
Also, what's the "original" Hotel California? Who's the "Master"?

The Master wrote/composed it in say 20 minutes but then the text was 'Some drink to remember, some drink to forget', etc, etc.  http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/eagles/hotelcalifornia.html and he played it himself, solo. Then he sold the song to the Eagles that changed the text. He has written plenty other songs, e.g. for Blondie.
The Master's lady drinking buddy in California providing inspiration was probably Janis Joplin that died soon after. Sad story.

Yes, but who's the Master?

He who composed, wrote and played the song 'Hotel California' was a genious. Haven't seen him lately though. We are getting older. The Eagles paid him generously for it. Ask them.
Suggest you return to topic. Show that you know basic orbital mechanics and can calculate the fuel required to travel to the Moon - http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm

Yes, but you still didn't tell me...



Who is the Master?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 04, 2017, 08:55:54 AM
Also, what's the "original" Hotel California? Who's the "Master"?

The Master wrote/composed it in say 20 minutes but then the text was 'Some drink to remember, some drink to forget', etc, etc.  http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/eagles/hotelcalifornia.html and he played it himself, solo. Then he sold the song to the Eagles that changed the text. He has written plenty other songs, e.g. for Blondie.
The Master's lady drinking buddy in California providing inspiration was probably Janis Joplin that died soon after. Sad story.

Yes, but who's the Master?

He who composed, wrote and played the song 'Hotel California' was a genious. Haven't seen him lately though. We are getting older. The Eagles paid him generously for it. Ask them.
Suggest you return to topic. Show that you know basic orbital mechanics and can calculate the fuel required to travel to the Moon - http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm

Yes, but you still didn't tell me...

Who is the Master?

You are right. Suggest you ask the Eagles. They pay him.  Now back to topic.

Do you or anyone here know anything about orbital mechanics. It seems you haven't got a clue.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on June 04, 2017, 09:13:14 AM

Yes, but you still didn't tell me...

Who is the Master?

You are right. Suggest you ask the Eagles. They pay him.  Now back to topic.

Do you or anyone here know anything about orbital mechanics. It seems you haven't got a clue.

Then how do you know him? I can't ask the Eagles, so I ask you again:

WHO IS THE MASTER  ?
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Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on June 04, 2017, 09:14:09 AM
Now back to topic.


Sippin' G&T's with Debbie Harry? How cool was that?
Not many dock workers get to do that.

Did you offer her a zillion Heiwabucks if she could guess your mental disorder?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on June 04, 2017, 09:17:03 AM
Did you Blind her with Rocket Science?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on June 04, 2017, 09:19:31 AM
Do you or anyone here know anything about orbital mechanics. It seems you haven't got a clue.
Actually, the topic is your lack of understanding of orbital mechanics.  How do you suppose that Arianespace is able to get enough fuel off the ground to transfer a heavy satellite from low earth orbit into a geostationary orbit?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on June 04, 2017, 09:30:38 AM
No, the NEW topic is about when he renamed Angela Tremble as Debbie Harry
and launched her career, while hanging out with Glenn Fry, teaching the Eagles to play music.


 
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on June 04, 2017, 10:09:37 AM
No, the NEW topic is about when he renamed Angela Tremble as Debbie Harry
and launched her career, while hanging out with Glenn Fry, teaching the Eagles to play music.

No, the new topic is
WHO IS THE MASTER?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 04, 2017, 10:12:50 AM

Yes, but you still didn't tell me...

Who is the Master?

You are right. Suggest you ask the Eagles. They pay him.  Now back to topic.

Do you or anyone here know anything about orbital mechanics. It seems you haven't got a clue.

Then how do you know him? I can't ask the Eagles, so I ask you again:

WHO IS THE MASTER  ?
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You can't ask the Eagles? Why? Lazy? Stupid? Anyway, here topic is orbital mechanics. Do you know how to calculate a simple trip to the Moon. I pay you €1M, if you can! http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm . 
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on June 04, 2017, 10:39:54 AM
Vinyl is nice and all, but not without its shortcomings.

The beauty of vinyl, besides treating the media with the respect it deserves,
is that it is a listening experience start to finish.

From Pink Floyd to Beethoven.

However, some stuff should be released as MP3, free with a purchase of 5 quarts of motor oil.

Some stuff especially by Pink Floyd is much better to listen to on vinyl for a couple of additional reasons. On Dark Side of the Moon, every track smoothly transitions to the next one, as if it's one piece. If you try to listen to songs isolated, it's not how it was "meant" to be, and also on CDs there's a pause between tracks, so the transition isn't smooth any more.

For classical stuff if doesn't seem to me that it matters as much, since they weren't made for LPs anyways, but still the sound is deeper, warmer and fuzzier on vinyls.
Yes!  Thank you.  I tried to explain this to a young friend of mine.  And it isn't just Dark Side of the Moon.  Wish You Were Here does some of that.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on June 04, 2017, 10:46:30 AM

It is much better just to listen to the HF tapes made of the jam sessions and shows back in the early 1970's, if you have the possibility.



I had a couple of Teac real to real machines. They made my component rack look cool.
A full size rack wide cassette tape player, a
Phase Linear 400 Power Amplifier with Phase Linear 4000 Pre-Amp, couple of different Technics turntables, JBL-750 speakers.

(none of these items are fireproof.   :'( )

The best thing about tape?   Nothing but HISS !!!  (and it does not age well.)


Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on June 04, 2017, 10:53:14 AM
No, the NEW topic is about when he renamed Angela Tremble as Debbie Harry
and launched her career, while hanging out with Glenn Fry, teaching the Eagles to play music.
.
Then perhaps you should start a new thread in the appropriate forum
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on June 04, 2017, 11:26:53 AM

Yes, but you still didn't tell me...

Who is the Master?

You are right. Suggest you ask the Eagles. They pay him.  Now back to topic.

Do you or anyone here know anything about orbital mechanics. It seems you haven't got a clue.

Then how do you know him? I can't ask the Eagles, so I ask you again:

WHO IS THE MASTER  ?
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You can't ask the Eagles? Why? Lazy? Stupid? Anyway, here topic is orbital mechanics. Do you know how to calculate a simple trip to the Moon. I pay you €1M, if you can! http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm .

Can you ask the Eagles? Ask them and tell us what they told you. I can't, I'm stupid, which shouldn't be a problem for you. I'll pay you 1$.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on June 04, 2017, 11:29:36 AM
No, the NEW topic is about when he renamed Angela Tremble as Debbie Harry
and launched her career, while hanging out with Glenn Fry, teaching the Eagles to play music.
.
Then perhaps you should start a new thread in the appropriate forum

I did: https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?board=13.0
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on June 04, 2017, 11:46:39 AM

You can't ask the Eagles? Why? Lazy? Stupid?



Glenn Fry is dead you orbital fucktard. (orbital = on topic)
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on June 04, 2017, 11:50:44 AM

You can't ask the Eagles? Why? Lazy? Stupid?



Glenn Fry is dead you orbital fucktard. (orbital = on topic)

Well he can ask Don Henley.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on June 04, 2017, 12:11:56 PM
Soooo, how much fuel does it take to sustain this circle jerk thread?

Will the fraudster cough up the cash?
Will anyone get tired of typing  'o r b i t a l  m e c h a n i c s'  for no apparent reason?
Will Heiwa ever remove that dorky camo headband?

Stay tuned for the next exciting 100 pages . . .



Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on June 04, 2017, 12:23:02 PM
I can spoil one of these for all of you...

Will Heiwa ever remove that dorky camo headband?

No.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 04, 2017, 12:37:29 PM
I can spoil one of these for all of you...

Will Heiwa ever remove that dorky camo headband?

No.

Well, the photo was taken 1st January 2017 when taking a New Year swim in the Sea nearby and I dressed down in bathing suit and to protect from a cold wind I also had my colorful yukata on. The headband is the belt of the yukata. It also comes in handy when playing tennis (without yukata) but with tennis dress to stop sweat dropping into your eyes.

I know it upsets plenty racist, backwards, stupid, fascist people but I only feel sorry for such twerps.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on June 04, 2017, 12:44:11 PM
I can spoil one of these for all of you...

Will Heiwa ever remove that dorky camo headband?

No.

I can confirm that. He wears it with every outfit, no matter how ridiculous:
(https://s30.postimg.org/m63wjmljl/Heiwa7.png)
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 04, 2017, 12:47:05 PM
I can spoil one of these for all of you...

Will Heiwa ever remove that dorky camo headband?

No.

I can confirm that. He wears it with every outfit, no matter how ridiculous:
(https://s30.postimg.org/m63wjmljl/Heiwa7.png)

I know it upsets plenty racist, backwards, stupid, fascist people but I only feel sorry for such twerps.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on June 04, 2017, 12:48:52 PM
I can spoil one of these for all of you...

Will Heiwa ever remove that dorky camo headband?

No.

I can confirm that. He wears it with every outfit, no matter how ridiculous:
(https://s30.postimg.org/m63wjmljl/Heiwa7.png)

Do you discriminate against headbands?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on June 04, 2017, 12:50:00 PM
I can spoil one of these for all of you...

Will Heiwa ever remove that dorky camo headband?

No.

I can confirm that. He wears it with every outfit, no matter how ridiculous:
(https://s30.postimg.org/m63wjmljl/Heiwa7.png)

I know it upsets plenty racist, backwards, stupid, fascist people but I only feel sorry for such twerps.

Yeah, you're repeating yourself again. It doesn't upset me, you're free to wear whichever dorky costume you like.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on June 04, 2017, 12:51:22 PM
The Bob the Builder picture was pure art.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 16, 2017, 10:26:52 AM
I have just updated http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm about a future impact mitigation mission.

It seems the main reason for all this space nonsense is to prepare for it. Imagine that!

Impact mitigation!

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on June 16, 2017, 12:07:11 PM
I have just updated http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm about a future impact mitigation mission.

It seems the main reason for all this space nonsense is to prepare for it. Imagine that!

Impact mitigation!

This gave me a chance to actually read what's in your website, and I have to admit...



...that it is an incredible shithole of gibberish, pointless and downright false/misinterpreted information that goes nowhere and does not even attempt to constitute a logical argument! Well done!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on June 16, 2017, 12:20:10 PM
 Imagine that.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on June 16, 2017, 12:30:28 PM
Imagine that.

I'm trying. Can't do it, too hard.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 16, 2017, 01:16:50 PM
I have just updated http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm about a future impact mitigation mission.

It seems the main reason for all this space nonsense is to prepare for it. Imagine that!

Impact mitigation!

This gave me a chance to actually read what's in your website, and I have to admit...



...that it is an incredible shithole of gibberish, pointless and downright false/misinterpreted information that goes nowhere and does not even attempt to constitute a logical argument! Well done!

Thanks for trying and I am sorry you didn't understand about "impact mitigation". It is a very serious matter! A sunny morning 423 million years ago an asteroid impacted Earth and wiped out Mexico and all the dinosaurs, so that you and Donald Trump could twitter and post on forums today. If the dinos had prepared an impact mitigation mission to ensure they could carry on for millions of years, we would not discuss the matter today. It seems the probability of an impact is 1 in 250 000 000 and it may take place 2167. In the summer.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on June 16, 2017, 02:31:41 PM
I wasn't talking about impact mitigation, I didn't read what you wrote about it.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Dog on June 16, 2017, 03:05:45 PM
Thanks for trying and I am sorry you didn't understand about "impact mitigation". It is a very serious matter! A sunny morning 423 million years ago an asteroid impacted Earth and wiped out Mexico and all the dinosaurs, so that you and Donald Trump could twitter and post on forums today. If the dinos had prepared an impact mitigation mission to ensure they could carry on for millions of years, we would not discuss the matter today. It seems the probability of an impact is 1 in 250 000 000 and it may take place 2167. In the summer.

No one cares about your thoughts on impact mitigation.

D.N.O. was talking about the steaming pile of garbage that is your website.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 19, 2017, 02:28:33 AM

D.N.O. was talking about the steaming pile of garbage that is your website.

Well, he cannot read, so who cares? Actually http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm is my most popular web page with 100's of downloads daily.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on June 19, 2017, 02:35:36 AM
Heiwa's website:
(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/483/593/ad9.gif)
A gazillion clicks doesn't mean it's not shit, Heiwa.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on June 19, 2017, 02:41:18 AM
Heiwa's website:
(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/483/593/ad9.gif)
A gazillion click doesn't mean it's not shit, Heiwa.


Not clicks . . . 'downloads'.  (http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/lol-049.gif) (http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/skype-emoticons.html)
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 19, 2017, 02:42:19 AM
Maybe my description of the sanitary facilities aboard any manned spacecraft is shit?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on June 19, 2017, 02:45:18 AM
Very likely, given the odds.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Denspressure on June 19, 2017, 04:00:21 AM
(http://adonilisium.weebly.com//uploads/4/3/2/7/43271021/5740861_orig.jpg)
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 19, 2017, 04:07:28 AM
Very likely, given the odds.
Yes of course, shitting and pissing in space is not possible 2017. It was overlooked when creating the space travel fantasies 1961.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: frenat on June 19, 2017, 05:26:02 AM

D.N.O. was talking about the steaming pile of garbage that is your website.

Well, he cannot read, so who cares? Actually http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm is my most popular web page with 100's of downloads daily.
and I'll bet it goes up significantly EACH time you post the link.  It has been explained to you how search engine bots work before but apparently you still don't get it. Maybe your nurse can explain it to you.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on June 19, 2017, 06:17:55 AM
Very likely, given the odds.
Yes of course, shitting and pissing in space is not possible 2017. It was overlooked when creating the space travel fantasies 1961.
Of course it's possible.  It can get very messy is all.

Too bad that you missed out on NASA's Space Poop Challenge.  You could have fixed the number one (and number 2) challenge holding back manned space flight.
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/space-poop-challenge
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on June 19, 2017, 08:14:52 AM
Very likely, given the odds.
Yes of course, shitting and pissing in space is not possible 2017. It was overlooked when creating the space travel fantasies 1961.

What does that have to do with whether the content on your website is shit?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on June 19, 2017, 08:31:26 AM
Very likely, given the odds.
Yes of course, shitting and pissing in space is not possible 2017. It was overlooked when creating the space travel fantasies 1961.

What does that have to do with whether the content on your website is shit?

Well, it does have to do with the shit part.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 19, 2017, 08:42:55 AM
Very likely, given the odds.
Yes of course, shitting and pissing in space is not possible 2017. It was overlooked when creating the space travel fantasies 1961.
Of course it's possible.  It can get very messy is all.

Too bad that you missed out on NASA's Space Poop Challenge.  You could have fixed the number one (and number 2) challenge holding back manned space flight.
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/space-poop-challenge

Hm, very messy? Have you tried the outfits? Of course, NASA is a joke but their space suits are shit ... or full of it.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on June 19, 2017, 09:00:20 AM
Hm, very messy? Have you tried the outfits? Of course, NASA is a joke but their space suits are shit ... or full of it.
I suppose that you would know everything there is to know about being full of shit.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 19, 2017, 09:40:21 AM
Hm, very messy? Have you tried the outfits? Of course, NASA is a joke but their space suits are shit ... or full of it.
I suppose that you would know everything there is to know about being full of shit.
Yes. My ships have sewage collection/treatement tanks/systems and, if they do not function properly, there is a problem. For example a leak may spill the sewage where it doesn't belong. The smell of fresh shit inside a ship is not funny. I explain more at http://heiwaco.com .

Re NASA it seems their astronuts used baby type diapers for 50 years but now there are new systems where the shit/piss is transferred to a pocket in the trousers, but what happens then I do not understand. Of course no humans have ever been in space, so no system is required to handle the shit.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on June 19, 2017, 10:33:32 AM
I suppose that you would know everything there is to know about being full of shit.
Yes. My ships have sewage collection/treatement tanks/systems and, [...]

You just can't make this shit up. This is hilarious  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on June 19, 2017, 10:53:58 AM
Re NASA it seems their astronuts used baby type diapers for 50 years but now there are new systems where the shit/piss is transferred to a pocket in the trousers, but what happens then I do not understand. Of course no humans have ever been in space, so no system is required to handle the shit.
The Russians have been using space toilets since Soyuz debuted in 1967.  NASA has been using space toilets since the beginning of the Space Shuttle program.  The ISS even has two space toilets (one in a Russian module and the other in an American module).
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: onebigmonkey on June 19, 2017, 11:38:26 AM
Re NASA it seems their astronuts used baby type diapers for 50 years but now there are new systems where the shit/piss is transferred to a pocket in the trousers, but what happens then I do not understand. Of course no humans have ever been in space, so no system is required to handle the shit.
The Russians have been using space toilets since Soyuz debuted in 1967.  NASA has been using space toilets since the beginning of the Space Shuttle program.  The ISS even has two space toilets (one in a Russian module and the other in an American module).

Skylab also had its own toilet system.

Heiwa's coprophilic tendencies are blinding him to the reality that his masturbatory fantasies about astronauts wearing nappies until recently are really not true, just like everything else he makes up.

He needs to find some other source for his deviant outlets.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on June 19, 2017, 11:42:10 AM
I wonder if Heiwa has a dictionary? He will probably need one to decipher that post. ;D^^^
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 19, 2017, 12:22:40 PM
Re NASA it seems their astronuts used baby type diapers for 50 years but now there are new systems where the shit/piss is transferred to a pocket in the trousers, but what happens then I do not understand. Of course no humans have ever been in space, so no system is required to handle the shit.
The Russians have been using space toilets since Soyuz debuted in 1967.  NASA has been using space toilets since the beginning of the Space Shuttle program.  The ISS even has two space toilets (one in a Russian module and the other in an American module).

Space toilets 1967. But why then waste money on - https://www.nasa.gov/feature/space-poop-challenge - space suits with built in toilets 2017?
The whole thing stinks! But of course - no human has ever been in space ... shitting ... or ... pissing. No way to get the shit up in space and down on Earth again.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: frenat on June 19, 2017, 12:29:35 PM
Re NASA it seems their astronuts used baby type diapers for 50 years but now there are new systems where the shit/piss is transferred to a pocket in the trousers, but what happens then I do not understand. Of course no humans have ever been in space, so no system is required to handle the shit.
The Russians have been using space toilets since Soyuz debuted in 1967.  NASA has been using space toilets since the beginning of the Space Shuttle program.  The ISS even has two space toilets (one in a Russian module and the other in an American module).

Space toilets 1967. But why then waste money on - https://www.nasa.gov/feature/space-poop-challenge - space suits with built in toilets 2017?
The whole thing stinks! But of course - no human has ever been in space ... shitting ... or ... pissing. No way to get the shit up in space and down on Earth again.

translation:  I don't understand it so it must not work!  Where's my nurse?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 19, 2017, 12:37:00 PM
Re NASA it seems their astronuts used baby type diapers for 50 years but now there are new systems where the shit/piss is transferred to a pocket in the trousers, but what happens then I do not understand. Of course no humans have ever been in space, so no system is required to handle the shit.
The Russians have been using space toilets since Soyuz debuted in 1967.  NASA has been using space toilets since the beginning of the Space Shuttle program.  The ISS even has two space toilets (one in a Russian module and the other in an American module).

Space toilets 1967. But why then waste money on - https://www.nasa.gov/feature/space-poop-challenge - space suits with built in toilets 2017?
The whole thing stinks! But of course - no human has ever been in space ... shitting ... or ... pissing. No way to get the shit up in space and down on Earth again.

translation:  I don't understand it so it must not work!  Where's my nurse?

The Russian space toilets were very good 1967. You pulled a string and there was a flush and the shit dropped down on Earth. NASA tried to use it 1969, but, when they pulled the string, the toilet flushed the shit on the shitter that had forgotten that up is down in space.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: frenat on June 19, 2017, 12:38:47 PM
Re NASA it seems their astronuts used baby type diapers for 50 years but now there are new systems where the shit/piss is transferred to a pocket in the trousers, but what happens then I do not understand. Of course no humans have ever been in space, so no system is required to handle the shit.
The Russians have been using space toilets since Soyuz debuted in 1967.  NASA has been using space toilets since the beginning of the Space Shuttle program.  The ISS even has two space toilets (one in a Russian module and the other in an American module).

Space toilets 1967. But why then waste money on - https://www.nasa.gov/feature/space-poop-challenge - space suits with built in toilets 2017?
The whole thing stinks! But of course - no human has ever been in space ... shitting ... or ... pissing. No way to get the shit up in space and down on Earth again.

translation:  I don't understand it so it must not work!  Where's my nurse?

The Russian space toilets were very good 1967. You pulled a string and there was a flush and the shit dropped down on Earth. NASA tried to use it 1969, but, when they pulled the string, the toilet flushed the shit on the shitter that had forgotten that up is down in space.
Translation:  Here's what I googled just now. I'm obsessed with poop!!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 19, 2017, 12:57:25 PM
Re NASA it seems their astronuts used baby type diapers for 50 years but now there are new systems where the shit/piss is transferred to a pocket in the trousers, but what happens then I do not understand. Of course no humans have ever been in space, so no system is required to handle the shit.
The Russians have been using space toilets since Soyuz debuted in 1967.  NASA has been using space toilets since the beginning of the Space Shuttle program.  The ISS even has two space toilets (one in a Russian module and the other in an American module).

Space toilets 1967. But why then waste money on - https://www.nasa.gov/feature/space-poop-challenge - space suits with built in toilets 2017?
The whole thing stinks! But of course - no human has ever been in space ... shitting ... or ... pissing. No way to get the shit up in space and down on Earth again.

translation:  I don't understand it so it must not work!  Where's my nurse?

The Russian space toilets were very good 1967. You pulled a string and there was a flush and the shit dropped down on Earth. NASA tried to use it 1969, but, when they pulled the string, the toilet flushed the shit on the shitter that had forgotten that up is down in space.
Translation:  Here's what I googled just now. I'm obsessed with poop!!

Hm, but NASA paid $30 000:- to some clowns designing shit in your pants space uniforms last year. Who is obsessed? You sound or smell like a NASA space toilet cleaner. Are you Mexican? Work permit?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: frenat on June 19, 2017, 12:59:12 PM
Re NASA it seems their astronuts used baby type diapers for 50 years but now there are new systems where the shit/piss is transferred to a pocket in the trousers, but what happens then I do not understand. Of course no humans have ever been in space, so no system is required to handle the shit.
The Russians have been using space toilets since Soyuz debuted in 1967.  NASA has been using space toilets since the beginning of the Space Shuttle program.  The ISS even has two space toilets (one in a Russian module and the other in an American module).

Space toilets 1967. But why then waste money on - https://www.nasa.gov/feature/space-poop-challenge - space suits with built in toilets 2017?
The whole thing stinks! But of course - no human has ever been in space ... shitting ... or ... pissing. No way to get the shit up in space and down on Earth again.

translation:  I don't understand it so it must not work!  Where's my nurse?

The Russian space toilets were very good 1967. You pulled a string and there was a flush and the shit dropped down on Earth. NASA tried to use it 1969, but, when they pulled the string, the toilet flushed the shit on the shitter that had forgotten that up is down in space.
Translation:  Here's what I googled just now. I'm obsessed with poop!!

Hm, but NASA paid $30 000:- to some clowns designing shit in your pants space uniforms last year. Who is obsessed? You sound or smell like a NASA space toilet cleaner. Are you Mexican? Work permit?
Typical Heiwa.  Claims to be a "nice guy" and insults everyone inbetween posts about his obsession with poop or pimping his website.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on June 19, 2017, 01:11:18 PM
Space toilets 1967. But why then waste money on - https://www.nasa.gov/feature/space-poop-challenge - space suits with built in toilets 2017?
Because when you're in the middle of a many hour EVA, it's kinda inconvenient to go back inside the ISS just to use the toilet.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on June 19, 2017, 01:17:13 PM
Re NASA it seems their astronuts used baby type diapers for 50 years but now there are new systems where the shit/piss is transferred to a pocket in the trousers, but what happens then I do not understand. Of course no humans have ever been in space, so no system is required to handle the shit.
The Russians have been using space toilets since Soyuz debuted in 1967.  NASA has been using space toilets since the beginning of the Space Shuttle program.  The ISS even has two space toilets (one in a Russian module and the other in an American module).

Space toilets 1967. But why then waste money on - https://www.nasa.gov/feature/space-poop-challenge - space suits with built in toilets 2017?
The whole thing stinks! But of course - no human has ever been in space ... shitting ... or ... pissing. No way to get the shit up in space and down on Earth again.
Prove it here or shut up you babbling idiot.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Denspressure on June 19, 2017, 03:08:40 PM
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on June 19, 2017, 07:22:59 PM
Prove it here or shut up you babbling idiot
You realize that you can't prove a negative, don't you?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on June 20, 2017, 04:33:18 AM
Prove it here or shut up you babbling idiot
You realize that you can't prove a negative, don't you?
You can prove that all of the people who have been to space are lying and that all of the evidence proving space flight is real, is in fact false.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on June 20, 2017, 05:30:50 AM
Prove it here or shut up you babbling idiot
You realize that you can't prove a negative, don't you?
You can prove that all of the people who have been to space are lying and that all of the evidence proving space flight is real, is in fact false.
How do you suppose one would go about doing that?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on June 20, 2017, 05:38:29 AM
Prove it here or shut up you babbling idiot
You realize that you can't prove a negative, don't you?
You can prove that all of the people who have been to space are lying and that all of the evidence proving space flight is real, is in fact false.
How do you suppose one would go about doing that?
I don't suppose they would, as space flight, moon landing, etc are real.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on June 20, 2017, 06:36:25 AM
Prove it here or shut up you babbling idiot
You realize that you can't prove a negative, don't you?
You can prove that all of the people who have been to space are lying and that all of the evidence proving space flight is real, is in fact false.
How do you suppose one would go about doing that?
I don't suppose they would, as space flight, moon landing, etc are real.
Good, that means you can give you "Prove it here or shut up you babbling idiot" shtick a rest.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on June 20, 2017, 08:10:55 AM
Prove it here or shut up you babbling idiot
You realize that you can't prove a negative, don't you?
You can prove that all of the people who have been to space are lying and that all of the evidence proving space flight is real, is in fact false.
How do you suppose one would go about doing that?
I don't suppose they would, as space flight, moon landing, etc are real.
Good, that means you can give you "Prove it here or shut up you babbling idiot" shtick a rest.
I could but I'm not going to.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on June 20, 2017, 08:19:49 AM
Prove it here or shut up you babbling idiot
You realize that you can't prove a negative, don't you?
You can prove that all of the people who have been to space are lying and that all of the evidence proving space flight is real, is in fact false.
How do you suppose one would go about doing that?
I don't suppose they would, as space flight, moon landing, etc are real.
Good, that means you can give you "Prove it here or shut up you babbling idiot" shtick a rest.
I could but I'm not going to.
You really should.  It's needlessly annoying and it doesn't add anything to the discussion.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on June 20, 2017, 10:27:52 PM
You're probably right. Can we get back to picking on Heiwa now? ;D
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Denspressure on June 22, 2017, 10:04:38 AM
I second that motion.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 22, 2017, 10:23:12 AM
Yes, let's stay on topic. I have just updated http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm about the Apollo 11 orbital mechanics nonsense 1969 as understood by me. Imagine that three monkeys stayed in a tin box without sanitary facilities for a week back then. Disgusting!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on June 22, 2017, 10:27:25 AM
Yes, let's stay on topic. I have just updated http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm about the Apollo 11 orbital mechanics nonsense 1969 as understood by me. Imagine that three monkeys stayed in a tin box without sanitary facilities for a week back then. Disgusting!
What do sanitary facilities have to do with orbital mechanics?  ???
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: frenat on June 22, 2017, 10:45:02 AM
And Heiwa continues with his obsession with poop.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Denspressure on June 22, 2017, 11:04:00 AM
Maybe its the only thing he can do without help from a nurse?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on June 22, 2017, 01:02:55 PM
Look what I found

https://www.facebook.com/anders.bjorkman.940
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on June 22, 2017, 02:26:10 PM
Look what I found

https://www.facebook.com/anders.bjorkman.940

This is beyond amazing.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on June 22, 2017, 02:30:45 PM
Glad to be of service.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on June 22, 2017, 09:39:03 PM

. . . let's stay on topic.

Imagine that three monkeys stayed in a tin box without sanitary facilities . . .



I would hang out with Heiwa any day of the week!   ;D
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 24, 2017, 02:24:40 PM
(http://heiwaco.com/apolloshit.gif)
explains the mechanics of orbital waste management 1969. For full details visit https://history.nasa.gov/SP-368/s6ch2.htm .
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on June 24, 2017, 02:50:26 PM
Does this mean that we can move on from your obsession with bodily function management?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 24, 2017, 03:20:13 PM
Does this mean that we can move on from your obsession with bodily function management?

If you study the system you will find that there is an opening with valve in the spacecraft wall through which the waste is ejected one way into space, while the rest of the spacecraft is ejected in the opposite direction, according to orbital mechanics principles (topic). If you flush in the wrong direction, you may miss the target you are aiming for, i.e. Moon or Mars. You must also close the valve after use so that the air inside the spacecraft will not leak out. I really wonder how much waste the Apollo clowns flushed out in space 1969/72. Any ideas?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Denspressure on June 24, 2017, 03:35:34 PM
Funny how the only Apollo documentation Heiwa ever put effort into finding is about urine and poop.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: frenat on June 24, 2017, 03:42:21 PM
Does this mean that we can move on from your obsession with bodily function management?

If you study the system you will find that there is an opening with valve in the spacecraft wall through which the waste is ejected one way into space, while the rest of the spacecraft is ejected in the opposite direction, according to orbital mechanics principles (topic). If you flush in the wrong direction, you may miss the target you are aiming for, i.e. Moon or Mars. You must also close the valve after use so that the air inside the spacecraft will not leak out. I really wonder how much waste the Apollo clowns flushed out in space 1969/72. Any ideas?
It will only be a problem for the orbit if you can prove the amount flushed imparts a significant momentum on the craft.  I doubt you can.
But thanks AGAIN for proving the thread topic.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on June 24, 2017, 05:59:59 PM
Does this mean that we can move on from your obsession with bodily function management?

If you study the system you will find that there is an opening with valve in the spacecraft wall through which the waste is ejected one way into space, while the rest of the spacecraft is ejected in the opposite direction, according to orbital mechanics principles (topic). If you flush in the wrong direction, you may miss the target you are aiming for, i.e. Moon or Mars. You must also close the valve after use so that the air inside the spacecraft will not leak out. I really wonder how much waste the Apollo clowns flushed out in space 1969/72. Any ideas?
I seriously doubt that they dumped more waste than could be compensated for with a small mid-course correction burn.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 25, 2017, 12:20:37 AM
Does this mean that we can move on from your obsession with bodily function management?

If you study the system you will find that there is an opening with valve in the spacecraft wall through which the waste is ejected one way into space, while the rest of the spacecraft is ejected in the opposite direction, according to orbital mechanics principles (topic). If you flush in the wrong direction, you may miss the target you are aiming for, i.e. Moon or Mars. You must also close the valve after use so that the air inside the spacecraft will not leak out. I really wonder how much waste the Apollo clowns flushed out in space 1969/72. Any ideas?
I seriously doubt that they dumped more waste than could be compensated for with a small mid-course correction burn.
Why dump anything during a trip of a week? Better just to collect the shit onboard. Or to unload it on the Moon and use it for the strawberries. Leaking valves on any ship or spacecraft are problems. Of course no shitty spacecraft ever went to the Moon.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on June 25, 2017, 07:48:05 AM
Why dump anything during a trip of a week? Better just to collect the shit onboard.
They did collect the shit and return it to earth where it was analyzed (you'd be surprised at how much your shit can tell you about your health).  It was the liquid waste that got dumped.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 25, 2017, 08:03:55 AM
Why dump anything during a trip of a week? Better just to collect the shit onboard.
They did collect the shit and return it to earth where it was analyzed (you'd be surprised at how much your shit can tell you about your health).  It was the liquid waste that got dumped.
Yes of course. Only liquid waste was dumped through a little valve into vacuum space. Very clever. Do you know where it ended up? On the Moon? As rain?

But dumping anything affects the spacecraft speed and trajectory according to orbital mechanics, so it would be better to keep it onboard. There must have been plenty solid waste apart from the shit of all sorts aboard - empty bottles, cans, dirty plates, forks, knives, food waste, etc, probably just thrown in bag.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Kami on June 25, 2017, 08:37:59 AM
But dumping anything affects the spacecraft speed and trajectory according to orbital mechanics, so it would be better to keep it onboard.
only if you shoot it out at a high velocity.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 25, 2017, 09:06:49 AM
But dumping anything affects the spacecraft speed and trajectory according to orbital mechanics, so it would be better to keep it onboard.
only if you shoot it out at a high velocity.

No, any velocity affects the spacecraft. But minimum mass/weight aboard is important. The lighter you are, the less energy (fuel) is required for maneuovering of all sorts; take offs and landings, getting in and out of orbits, course changes, etc. Which reminds me that nobody has managed to describe the energy/fuel required for a simple trip to the Moon and back. It seems all spacecrafts with humans and future waste aboard get too heavy just to lift off.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on June 25, 2017, 12:25:39 PM
Why dump anything during a trip of a week? Better just to collect the shit onboard.
They did collect the shit and return it to earth where it was analyzed (you'd be surprised at how much your shit can tell you about your health).  It was the liquid waste that got dumped.
Yes of course. Only liquid waste was dumped through a little valve into vacuum space. Very clever. Do you know where it ended up? On the Moon? As rain?

Who the fuck cares where it ended? It may have ended inside an alien's cereal for all I know, it wouldn't have made a difference. What does that have to do with anything? What is this obsession with human waste?

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But dumping anything affects the spacecraft speed and trajectory according to orbital mechanics,

Oh yes, of course. Dumping 10kg of waste at a speed of 10m/s (which is probably a much more extreme estimate than what actually happened) will alter the velocity of the 20 ton capsule by 0.005m/s. Sounds impossible to correct  ::)

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There must have been plenty solid waste apart from the shit of all sorts aboard - empty bottles, cans, dirty plates, forks, knives, food waste, etc, probably just thrown in bag.

You forgot the cat's hairballs, the old stockings, the used condoms, grandma's old scarf, the kid's diapers and your diapers  ::). This is what they really ate: http://www.eatmedaily.com/2009/07/food-of-the-apollo-11-lunar-landing/

Disgusting dehydrated food. So what? It's 8 days. Even if it's longer, it's just a minor inconvenience that anyone can put up with.

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Which reminds me that nobody has managed to describe the energy/fuel required for a simple trip to the Moon and back.

Except of all the people who did do that because they had to do that. Why nobody has shown you? Because 1) not as many people as you think know about your challenge, 2) those who do either don't know how to do that because they're not good at physics or they can't be bothered, 3) no one believes you will actually give any money and 4) you wouldn't believe them anyways.

I'm kinda bored so I may do the calculation and tell you approximately how much fuel would be needed. But I can't promise it and it will take some time.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 25, 2017, 12:44:15 PM
Why dump anything during a trip of a week? Better just to collect the shit onboard.
They did collect the shit and return it to earth where it was analyzed (you'd be surprised at how much your shit can tell you about your health).  It was the liquid waste that got dumped.
Yes of course. Only liquid waste was dumped through a little valve into vacuum space. Very clever. Do you know where it ended up? On the Moon? As rain?

Who the fuck cares where it ended? It may have ended inside an alien's cereal for all I know, it wouldn't have made a difference. What does that have to do with anything? What is this obsession with human waste?

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But dumping anything affects the spacecraft speed and trajectory according to orbital mechanics,

Oh yes, of course. Dumping 10kg of waste at a speed of 10m/s (which is probably a much more extreme estimate than what actually happened) will alter the velocity of the 20 ton capsule by 0.005m/s. Sounds impossible to correct  ::)

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There must have been plenty solid waste apart from the shit of all sorts aboard - empty bottles, cans, dirty plates, forks, knives, food waste, etc, probably just thrown in bag.

You forgot the cat's hairballs, the old stockings, the used condoms, grandma's old scarf, the kid's diapers and your diapers  ::). This is what they really ate: http://www.eatmedaily.com/2009/07/food-of-the-apollo-11-lunar-landing/

Disgusting dehydrated food. So what? It's 8 days. Even if it's longer, it's just a minor inconvenience that anyone can put up with.

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Which reminds me that nobody has managed to describe the energy/fuel required for a simple trip to the Moon and back.

Except of all the people who did do that because they had to do that. Why nobody has shown you? Because 1) not as many people as you think know about your challenge, 2) those who do either don't know how to do that because they're not good at physics or they can't be bothered, 3) no one believes you will actually give any money and 4) you wouldn't believe them anyways.

I'm kinda bored so I may do the calculation and tell you approximately how much fuel would be needed. But I can't promise it and it will take some time.

Well, that was the food/waste/garbage back in 1969 for a short 8 days cruise to the Moon. Today Mr. Lone Skum of XpaceS offers 120 days no return trips to Mars and the food? Lobster, caviar, champagne? No it is low cost! You have to pay on board what is served. And what is served? Ask Lone Skum!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on June 25, 2017, 01:01:37 PM
Well, that was the food/waste/garbage back in 1969 for a short 8 days cruise to the Moon. Today Mr. Lone Skum of XpaceS offers 120 days no return trips to Mars and the food? Lobster, caviar, champagne? No it is low cost! You have to pay on board what is served. And what is served? Ask Lone Skum!

Who cares what is served? Anyone in the world can put up with dehydrated food even for an extended period of time, except for miss fragile princess Heiwa. It's a minor inconvenience for the rest. I don't even like lobster. I don't know what caviar is like. I can do without champagne. If I can cope without these there is no reason others shouldn't be able to.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on June 25, 2017, 01:04:15 PM
I have gone on hiking and mountain climbing expeditions where we only ate dehydrated food for weeks. It's not bad at all. There are some very good options available to the general public. Imagine what NASA could come up with on their budget.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 25, 2017, 01:16:01 PM
I have gone on hiking and mountain climbing expeditions where we only ate dehydrated food for weeks. It's not bad at all. There are some very good options available to the general public. Imagine what NASA could come up with on their budget.
When I was in the Navy 1965/70 we ate peasoup in tins from 1945 when doing land exercises. Not bad. But OT.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on June 25, 2017, 01:19:23 PM
I have gone on hiking and mountain climbing expeditions where we only ate dehydrated food for weeks. It's not bad at all. There are some very good options available to the general public. Imagine what NASA could come up with on their budget.
When I was in the Navy 1965/70 we ate peasoup in tins from 1945 when doing land exercises. Not bad. But OT.
You are the one who went OT when you brought up trash that isn't dumped and therefore has no effect on orbital mechanics.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on June 25, 2017, 01:21:50 PM
I have gone on hiking and mountain climbing expeditions where we only ate dehydrated food for weeks. It's not bad at all. There are some very good options available to the general public. Imagine what NASA could come up with on their budget.
When I was in the Navy 1965/70 we ate peasoup in tins from 1945 when doing land exercises. Not bad. But OT.
You are the one who went OT when you brought up trash that isn't dumped and therefore has no effect on orbital mechanics.

He's also the one who started surmising about what astronauts eat. This has nothing to do with his lack of understanding of orbital mechanics.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 25, 2017, 01:29:41 PM
I am the only one here who understands orbital mechanics as demonstrated at my web site. You cannot send a spacecraft into space and visit places and then return to Earth. Easy to show. You get too heavy to start and then you do not know where you are in space.

That's why I offer anyone €1M to show how trips to the Moon and Mars shall take place. No takers. Just losers.

It really makes me smile.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on June 25, 2017, 01:39:37 PM
You have never won my €1M challenge to prove that the trips to moon and mars are impossible.

It makes me laugh that you are unable to do so!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Denspressure on June 25, 2017, 01:48:17 PM
I will give you 10 dollars if you post a picture of yourself naked. (No watersports please)
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on June 25, 2017, 01:56:18 PM
I will give you 10 dollars if you post a picture of yourself naked. (No watersports please)

$11 if you don't.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on June 25, 2017, 01:57:09 PM
20$ if he does.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on June 25, 2017, 01:58:26 PM
I'm out.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on June 25, 2017, 02:01:21 PM
I'll add $10 to Moose's $11. We win!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on June 25, 2017, 02:05:52 PM
My 20 plus denspressure's 10.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on June 25, 2017, 02:16:18 PM
Your obsession with seeing Hewia naked is almost as weird as his obsession with poop and piss.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on June 25, 2017, 02:21:58 PM
Your obsession with seeing Hewia naked is almost as weird as his obsession with poop and piss.

Have you seen the photos that Wesker guy found? Heiwa's hot.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on June 25, 2017, 03:28:27 PM
I will admit . . .

(http://i.imgur.com/XUiM2A8.png)

Not many men can carry off that look.   ;)


Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on June 25, 2017, 08:44:47 PM
I am the only one here who understands orbital mechanics as demonstrated at my web site. You cannot send a spacecraft into space and visit places and then return to Earth. Easy to show. You get too heavy to start and then you do not know where you are in space.
If you really understand orbital mechanics, then you would know how calculate trajectories to other places in space and figure out where you are in space at any given time.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 25, 2017, 11:05:51 PM
I am the only one here who understands orbital mechanics as demonstrated at my web site. You cannot send a spacecraft into space and visit places and then return to Earth. Easy to show. You get too heavy to start and then you do not know where you are in space.
If you really understand orbital mechanics, then you would know how calculate trajectories to other places in space and figure out where you are in space at any given time.

But I do as shown at my web site http://heiwaco.com. There is no way to apply a force to a spacecraft orbiting Earth to catapult it so it will arrive at the Moon a couple of days later to land there. You seem to suffer from cognitive dissonance.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on June 25, 2017, 11:17:50 PM
I could use a vacation . . .

I expect the coffee to be hot and bitter. (the way I like my women  ;) )

(no scatilogical play,  :P .)   
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on June 25, 2017, 11:24:00 PM
I could use a vacation . . .

I expect the coffee to be hot and bitter. (the way I like my women  ;) )

(no scatilogical play,  :P .)

How about some naked swimming?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on June 25, 2017, 11:29:15 PM
I could use a vacation . . .

I expect the coffee to be hot and bitter. (the way I like my women  ;) )

(no scatilogical play,  :P .)

How about some naked swimming?

Why not?   ;)
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: frenat on June 26, 2017, 05:23:31 AM
Why dump anything during a trip of a week? Better just to collect the shit onboard.
They did collect the shit and return it to earth where it was analyzed (you'd be surprised at how much your shit can tell you about your health).  It was the liquid waste that got dumped.
Yes of course. Only liquid waste was dumped through a little valve into vacuum space. Very clever. Do you know where it ended up? On the Moon? As rain?

But dumping anything affects the spacecraft speed and trajectory according to orbital mechanics, so it would be better to keep it onboard. There must have been plenty solid waste apart from the shit of all sorts aboard - empty bottles, cans, dirty plates, forks, knives, food waste, etc, probably just thrown in bag.
And AGAIN, you need to prove that the miniscule amount dumped would appreciably affect their trajectory at all.  You haven't done that and I doubt you can.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: frenat on June 26, 2017, 05:26:27 AM
I am the only one here who understands orbital mechanics as demonstrated at my web site. You cannot send a spacecraft into space and visit places and then return to Earth. Easy to show. You get too heavy to start and then you do not know where you are in space.
If you really understand orbital mechanics, then you would know how calculate trajectories to other places in space and figure out where you are in space at any given time.

But I do as shown at my web site http://heiwaco.com. There is no way to apply a force to a spacecraft orbiting Earth to catapult it so it will arrive at the Moon a couple of days later to land there. You seem to suffer from cognitive dissonance.
Nope, all you've shown is that you don't understand the subject and you have an obsession with poop.  And that you can't figure out that EVERYONE is laughing at you.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on June 26, 2017, 05:35:34 AM
I am the only one here who understands orbital mechanics as demonstrated at my web site. You cannot send a spacecraft into space and visit places and then return to Earth. Easy to show. You get too heavy to start and then you do not know where you are in space.
If you really understand orbital mechanics, then you would know how calculate trajectories to other places in space and figure out where you are in space at any given time.

But I do as shown at my web site http://heiwaco.com. There is no way to apply a force to a spacecraft orbiting Earth to catapult it so it will arrive at the Moon a couple of days later to land there.
Yes, there is.  It's called a rocket.  How do you think that Arianespace transfers satellites from low earth orbit to geostationary orbit?

You seem to suffer from cognitive dissonance.
Me?  You're the one who seems to be ignoring all of the evidence that contradicts your beliefs.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 26, 2017, 07:51:50 AM
You seem to suffer from cognitive dissonance.
Me?  You're the one who seems to be ignoring all of the evidence that contradicts your beliefs.

Hm, all evidence I have confirm my findings and conclusions, which I describe at my website http://heiwaco.com since many years. Nobody seems to be able to find anything wrong there. So sorry, you are a victim of cognitive dissonance. Try to cure yourself.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on June 26, 2017, 07:52:49 AM
No it doesn't.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Denspressure on June 26, 2017, 08:02:51 AM
You seem to suffer from cognitive dissonance.
Me?  You're the one who seems to be ignoring all of the evidence that contradicts your beliefs.

Hm, all evidence I have confirm my findings and conclusions, which I describe at my website http://heiwaco.com since many years. Nobody seems to be able to find anything wrong there. So sorry, you are a victim of cognitive dissonance. Try to cure yourself.
Your website says the Hasselblad 500EL can only take one photo every minute. This is wrong.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 26, 2017, 08:13:04 AM
You seem to suffer from cognitive dissonance.
Me?  You're the one who seems to be ignoring all of the evidence that contradicts your beliefs.

Hm, all evidence I have confirm my findings and conclusions, which I describe at my website http://heiwaco.com since many years. Nobody seems to be able to find anything wrong there. So sorry, you are a victim of cognitive dissonance. Try to cure yourself.
Your website says the Hasselblad 500EL can only take one photo every minute. This is wrong.
? My website only says that "So 12 astronauts while on the Moon's surface took a TOTAL of 5771 exposures using standard, silver colored Hasselblad cameras not adapted for space. It would appear that all photos were taken in studios on Earth." 

Why do you make up untrue claims?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Cenas on June 26, 2017, 09:22:11 AM
But I do as shown at my web site http://heiwaco.com. There is no way to apply a force to a spacecraft orbiting Earth to catapult it so it will arrive at the Moon a couple of days later to land there. ...

Unless, of course, one pisses enough through a valve, right?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Denspressure on June 26, 2017, 09:24:11 AM
You seem to suffer from cognitive dissonance.
Me?  You're the one who seems to be ignoring all of the evidence that contradicts your beliefs.

Hm, all evidence I have confirm my findings and conclusions, which I describe at my website http://heiwaco.com since many years. Nobody seems to be able to find anything wrong there. So sorry, you are a victim of cognitive dissonance. Try to cure yourself.
Your website says the Hasselblad 500EL can only take one photo every minute. This is wrong.
? My website only says that "So 12 astronauts while on the Moon's surface took a TOTAL of 5771 exposures using standard, silver colored Hasselblad cameras not adapted for space. It would appear that all photos were taken in studios on Earth." 

Why do you make up untrue claims?
I see you removed the part where you put up a formula, claiming the astronauts didn't have enough time to take all the photos on Apollo 11 EVA. I applaud you for that. Because the formula was fucking stupid.

Still, the Hasselblad 500EL units and their lenses were very much modified.

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 26, 2017, 10:03:53 AM
You seem to suffer from cognitive dissonance.
Me?  You're the one who seems to be ignoring all of the evidence that contradicts your beliefs.

Hm, all evidence I have confirm my findings and conclusions, which I describe at my website http://heiwaco.com since many years. Nobody seems to be able to find anything wrong there. So sorry, you are a victim of cognitive dissonance. Try to cure yourself.
Your website says the Hasselblad 500EL can only take one photo every minute. This is wrong.
? My website only says that "So 12 astronauts while on the Moon's surface took a TOTAL of 5771 exposures using standard, silver colored Hasselblad cameras not adapted for space. It would appear that all photos were taken in studios on Earth." 

Why do you make up untrue claims?
I see you removed the part where you put up a formula, claiming the astronauts didn't have enough time to take all the photos on Apollo 11 EVA. I applaud you for that. Because the formula was fucking stupid.

Still, the Hasselblad 500EL units and their lenses were very much modified.
You saw what? Anyway, all 5771 alleged photos taken by Apollo astronuts on the Moon were in fact taken on Earth. I explain why at my web site.
Maybe they used a Hasselblad 500EL. Not my type of camera, though.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Denspressure on June 26, 2017, 10:23:44 AM
You seem to suffer from cognitive dissonance.
Me?  You're the one who seems to be ignoring all of the evidence that contradicts your beliefs.

Hm, all evidence I have confirm my findings and conclusions, which I describe at my website http://heiwaco.com since many years. Nobody seems to be able to find anything wrong there. So sorry, you are a victim of cognitive dissonance. Try to cure yourself.
Your website says the Hasselblad 500EL can only take one photo every minute. This is wrong.
? My website only says that "So 12 astronauts while on the Moon's surface took a TOTAL of 5771 exposures using standard, silver colored Hasselblad cameras not adapted for space. It would appear that all photos were taken in studios on Earth." 

Why do you make up untrue claims?
I see you removed the part where you put up a formula, claiming the astronauts didn't have enough time to take all the photos on Apollo 11 EVA. I applaud you for that. Because the formula was fucking stupid.

Still, the Hasselblad 500EL units and their lenses were very much modified.
You saw what? Anyway, all 5771 alleged photos taken by Apollo astronuts on the Moon were in fact taken on Earth. I explain why at my web site.
Maybe they used a Hasselblad 500EL. Not my type of camera, though.
Ưou saw what?' the part where you put up a formula, claiming the astronauts didn't have enough time to take all the photos on Apollo 11 EVA. I applaud you for that. Because the formula was fucking stupid. You removed it from your revised webpage though.

I know for a fact that they used modified Hasselblad 500EL cameras. They can be seen in live video, 16mm video and 70mm photos taken at the time.

I still don't get your ramble on light hitting the moon not able to have any detail.... the lack of atmosphere actually makes it easier to take photos on and of the moon with great detail, since there is no atmospheric interference. The moon is not just white bright and bitch black, there are shades of gray.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on June 26, 2017, 10:29:35 AM
50 of them to be exact. That's where Fifty Shades of Grey comes from.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Dog on June 26, 2017, 10:32:14 AM
You saw what? Anyway, all 5771 alleged photos taken by Apollo astronuts on the Moon were in fact taken on Earth. I explain why at my web site.

Didn't find it.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 26, 2017, 10:54:46 AM
You saw what? Anyway, all 5771 alleged photos taken by Apollo astronuts on the Moon were in fact taken on Earth. I explain why at my web site.

Didn't find it.

http://heiwaco.com
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on June 26, 2017, 11:46:48 AM
You seem to suffer from cognitive dissonance.
Me?  You're the one who seems to be ignoring all of the evidence that contradicts your beliefs.

Hm, all evidence I have confirm my findings and conclusions, which I describe at my website http://heiwaco.com since many years. Nobody seems to be able to find anything wrong there.

Then you obviously haven't read this book:
https://edisciplinas.usp.br/pluginfile.php/66104/mod_resource/content/1/OrbitalMechanicsForEngineeringStudents-AerospaceEngineering.pdf

By the way. you still haven't explained how Arinaespace can transfer satellites from low earth orbit to geostationary orbit.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of
Post by: Heiwa on June 26, 2017, 12:06:48 PM
You seem to suffer from cognitive dissonance.
Me?  You're the one who seems to be ignoring all of the evidence that contradicts your beliefs.

Hm, all evidence I have confirm my findings and conclusions, which I describe at my website http://heiwaco.com since many years. Nobody seems to be able to find anything wrong there.

Then you obviously haven't read this book:
https://edisciplinas.usp.br/pluginfile.php/66104/mod_resource/content/1/OrbitalMechanicsForEngineeringStudents-AerospaceEngineering.pdf

By the way. you still haven't explained how Arinaespace can transfer satellites from low earth orbit to geostationary orbit.
?? You, not me, are supposed to demonstrate my lack of understanding in orbital mechanics. Do not change topic with stupid questions and OT requests. That I am an expert in orbital mechanics is clear from http://heiwaco.com .
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of
Post by: Twerp on June 26, 2017, 12:15:43 PM
... That I am an expert in orbital mechanics is clear from http://heiwaco.com .

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Title: Re: Heiwas lack of
Post by: frenat on June 26, 2017, 12:16:36 PM
You seem to suffer from cognitive dissonance.
Me?  You're the one who seems to be ignoring all of the evidence that contradicts your beliefs.

Hm, all evidence I have confirm my findings and conclusions, which I describe at my website http://heiwaco.com since many years. Nobody seems to be able to find anything wrong there.

Then you obviously haven't read this book:
https://edisciplinas.usp.br/pluginfile.php/66104/mod_resource/content/1/OrbitalMechanicsForEngineeringStudents-AerospaceEngineering.pdf

By the way. you still haven't explained how Arinaespace can transfer satellites from low earth orbit to geostationary orbit.
?? You, not me, are supposed to demonstrate my lack of understanding in orbital mechanics. Do not change topic with stupid questions and OT requests. That I am an expert in orbital mechanics is clear from http://heiwaco.com .
You've already demonstrated that you don't understand.  The only thing clear from your craptastic website is how much you love the argument from incredulity logical fallacy.  More lies from Heiwa.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of
Post by: markjo on June 26, 2017, 12:39:30 PM
?? You, not me, are supposed to demonstrate my lack of understanding in orbital mechanics. Do not change topic with stupid questions and OT requests. That I am an expert in orbital mechanics is clear from http://heiwaco.com .
I'm demonstrating your obvious lack of understanding of orbital mechanics by exposing your inability to explain how Arinaespace can transfer satellites from low earth orbit to geostationary orbit.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of
Post by: Heiwa on June 26, 2017, 12:42:46 PM
You seem to suffer from cognitive dissonance.
Me?  You're the one who seems to be ignoring all of the evidence that contradicts your beliefs.

Hm, all evidence I have confirm my findings and conclusions, which I describe at my website http://heiwaco.com since many years. Nobody seems to be able to find anything wrong there.

Then you obviously haven't read this book:
https://edisciplinas.usp.br/pluginfile.php/66104/mod_resource/content/1/OrbitalMechanicsForEngineeringStudents-AerospaceEngineering.pdf

By the way. you still haven't explained how Arinaespace can transfer satellites from low earth orbit to geostationary orbit.
?? You, not me, are supposed to demonstrate my lack of understanding in orbital mechanics. Do not change topic with stupid questions and OT requests. That I am an expert in orbital mechanics is clear from http://heiwaco.com .
You've already demonstrated that you don't understand.  The only thing clear from your craptastic website is how much you love the argument from incredulity logical fallacy.  More lies from Heiwa.
No, I demonstrate my understanding of orbital mechanics at my website since many years but plenty twirps like you cannot understand it. I can only suggest that you take a deep breath and have another try to understand. Don't waste your time with idiotic posts here.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of
Post by: Heiwa on June 26, 2017, 12:44:27 PM
?? You, not me, are supposed to demonstrate my lack of understanding in orbital mechanics. Do not change topic with stupid questions and OT requests. That I am an expert in orbital mechanics is clear from http://heiwaco.com .
I'm demonstrating your obvious lack of understanding of orbital mechanics by exposing your inability to explain how Arinaespace can transfer satellites from low earth orbit to geostationary orbit.
LOL. You are really stupid! Read again what you say. You cannot even spell!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of
Post by: frenat on June 26, 2017, 12:46:05 PM
You seem to suffer from cognitive dissonance.
Me?  You're the one who seems to be ignoring all of the evidence that contradicts your beliefs.

Hm, all evidence I have confirm my findings and conclusions, which I describe at my website http://heiwaco.com since many years. Nobody seems to be able to find anything wrong there.

Then you obviously haven't read this book:
https://edisciplinas.usp.br/pluginfile.php/66104/mod_resource/content/1/OrbitalMechanicsForEngineeringStudents-AerospaceEngineering.pdf

By the way. you still haven't explained how Arinaespace can transfer satellites from low earth orbit to geostationary orbit.
?? You, not me, are supposed to demonstrate my lack of understanding in orbital mechanics. Do not change topic with stupid questions and OT requests. That I am an expert in orbital mechanics is clear from http://heiwaco.com .
You've already demonstrated that you don't understand.  The only thing clear from your craptastic website is how much you love the argument from incredulity logical fallacy.  More lies from Heiwa.
No, I demonstrate my understanding of orbital mechanics at my website since many years but plenty twirps like you cannot understand it. I can only suggest that you take a deep breath and have another try to understand. Don't waste your time with idiotic posts here.
More lies from Heiwa.  Exactly how I thought you would answer.  Can't prove your point so you resort to insults instead.  Figure out yet that EVERYONE is laughing at you?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of
Post by: Twerp on June 26, 2017, 02:07:46 PM
Figure out yet that EVERYONE is laughing at you?

Yep!

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Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Dog on June 26, 2017, 04:14:03 PM
You saw what? Anyway, all 5771 alleged photos taken by Apollo astronuts on the Moon were in fact taken on Earth. I explain why at my web site.

Didn't find it.

http://heiwaco.com

Yes that is a website with hours and hours worth of incomprehensible garbage. I'm referring to:

You saw what? Anyway, all 5771 alleged photos taken by Apollo astronuts on the Moon were in fact taken on Earth. I explain why at my web site.

I'm not going to spend all day digging through garbage to get to these specific claims. So why don't you just link it so I can tell you why you're an idiot again and we can get this over with.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of
Post by: markjo on June 26, 2017, 07:27:41 PM
?? You, not me, are supposed to demonstrate my lack of understanding in orbital mechanics. Do not change topic with stupid questions and OT requests. That I am an expert in orbital mechanics is clear from http://heiwaco.com .
I'm demonstrating your obvious lack of understanding of orbital mechanics by exposing your inability to explain how Arinaespace can transfer satellites from low earth orbit to geostationary orbit.
LOL. You are really stupid! Read again what you say. You cannot even spell!
So you admit that don't understand orbital mechanics well enough explain orbit transfers.  Good to know.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: disputeone on June 26, 2017, 08:13:44 PM
Guys he's been running his fraudulent challenges for years. You're not going to see a cent.
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Title: Re: Heiwas lack of
Post by: Heiwa on June 26, 2017, 10:30:50 PM
?? You, not me, are supposed to demonstrate my lack of understanding in orbital mechanics. Do not change topic with stupid questions and OT requests. That I am an expert in orbital mechanics is clear from http://heiwaco.com .
I'm demonstrating your obvious lack of understanding of orbital mechanics by exposing your inability to explain how Arinaespace can transfer satellites from low earth orbit to geostationary orbit.
LOL. You are really stupid! Read again what you say. You cannot even spell!
So you admit that don't understand orbital mechanics well enough explain orbit transfers.  Good to know.

?? Orbital mechanics are easy on paper as demonstrated by me at my web site and I understand the problems very well. Difficulty is to execute them in reality, e.g. just plan a trip of a spacecraft. You get too heavy with all the fuel you must carry along. You have yourself failed several times to demonstrate simple maneouvers in space, e.g. how to speed up and how to brake ... and the fuel required. Reason is that all trips into space are one-way only.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of
Post by: Cenas on June 27, 2017, 02:22:04 AM
?? You, not me, are supposed to demonstrate my lack of understanding in orbital mechanics. Do not change topic with stupid questions and OT requests. That I am an expert in orbital mechanics is clear from http://heiwaco.com .
I'm demonstrating your obvious lack of understanding of orbital mechanics by exposing your inability to explain how Arinaespace can transfer satellites from low earth orbit to geostationary orbit.
LOL. You are really stupid! Read again what you say. You cannot even spell!
So you admit that don't understand orbital mechanics well enough explain orbit transfers.  Good to know.

?? Orbital mechanics are easy on paper as demonstrated by me at my web site and I understand the problems very well. Difficulty is to execute them in reality, e.g. just plan a trip of a spacecraft. You get too heavy with all the fuel you must carry along. You have yourself failed several times to demonstrate simple maneouvers in space, e.g. how to speed up and how to brake ... and the fuel required. Reason is that all trips into space are one-way only.

As I said yesterday, all of this is true except if the astronauts piss through a valve, right?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of
Post by: Heiwa on June 27, 2017, 02:50:55 AM
?? You, not me, are supposed to demonstrate my lack of understanding in orbital mechanics. Do not change topic with stupid questions and OT requests. That I am an expert in orbital mechanics is clear from http://heiwaco.com .
I'm demonstrating your obvious lack of understanding of orbital mechanics by exposing your inability to explain how Arinaespace can transfer satellites from low earth orbit to geostationary orbit.
LOL. You are really stupid! Read again what you say. You cannot even spell!
So you admit that don't understand orbital mechanics well enough explain orbit transfers.  Good to know.

?? Orbital mechanics are easy on paper as demonstrated by me at my web site and I understand the problems very well. Difficulty is to execute them in reality, e.g. just plan a trip of a spacecraft. You get too heavy with all the fuel you must carry along. You have yourself failed several times to demonstrate simple maneouvers in space, e.g. how to speed up and how to brake ... and the fuel required. Reason is that all trips into space are one-way only.

As I said yesterday, all of this is true except if the astronauts piss through a valve, right?
No, as all spacecraft trips are one-way only (no return anywhere) you don't need any waste management system at all. Only people suffering from cognitive dissonance believe otherwise.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of
Post by: markjo on June 27, 2017, 05:32:04 AM
?? Orbital mechanics are easy on paper as demonstrated by me at my web site and I understand the problems very well. Difficulty is to execute them in reality, e.g. just plan a trip of a spacecraft. You get too heavy with all the fuel you must carry along. You have yourself failed several times to demonstrate simple maneouvers in space, e.g. how to speed up and how to brake ... and the fuel required. Reason is that all trips into space are one-way only.
Yes, it's very difficult to execute orbital transfers properly.  So how does Arianespace manage to do it on a fairly regular basis?  How do they manage to carry enough fuel to carry out the precise burns in just the right direction at just the right time and keep track of where the satellite is at any given time?  Is Arianespace a fraud or are you the fraud?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of
Post by: Heiwa on June 27, 2017, 09:07:30 AM
?? Orbital mechanics are easy on paper as demonstrated by me at my web site and I understand the problems very well. Difficulty is to execute them in reality, e.g. just plan a trip of a spacecraft. You get too heavy with all the fuel you must carry along. You have yourself failed several times to demonstrate simple maneouvers in space, e.g. how to speed up and how to brake ... and the fuel required. Reason is that all trips into space are one-way only.
Yes, it's very difficult to execute orbital transfers properly.  So how does Arianespace manage to do it on a fairly regular basis?  How do they manage to carry enough fuel to carry out the precise burns in just the right direction at just the right time and keep track of where the satellite is at any given time?  Is Arianespace a fraud or are you the fraud?

Thanks for agreeing that all rocket launches are one way trips. You send something away with the fuel available. And that's it. All manned launches in the past - Gemini, Apollo, Shuttle, etc, were just mockups that disappeared behind some clouds. The rest was filmed in Hollywood studios so people thought humans were in space. Maybe most unmanned launches are similar?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on June 27, 2017, 09:17:28 AM
Prove it and I'll pay you 1M €. So far you have been unable to do so.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of
Post by: frenat on June 27, 2017, 09:19:10 AM
?? Orbital mechanics are easy on paper as demonstrated by me at my web site and I understand the problems very well. Difficulty is to execute them in reality, e.g. just plan a trip of a spacecraft. You get too heavy with all the fuel you must carry along. You have yourself failed several times to demonstrate simple maneouvers in space, e.g. how to speed up and how to brake ... and the fuel required. Reason is that all trips into space are one-way only.
Yes, it's very difficult to execute orbital transfers properly.  So how does Arianespace manage to do it on a fairly regular basis?  How do they manage to carry enough fuel to carry out the precise burns in just the right direction at just the right time and keep track of where the satellite is at any given time?  Is Arianespace a fraud or are you the fraud?

Thanks for agreeing that all rocket launches are one way trips. You send something away with the fuel available. And that's it. All manned launches in the past - Gemini, Apollo, Shuttle, etc, were just mockups that disappeared behind some clouds. The rest was filmed in Hollywood studios so people thought humans were in space. Maybe most unmanned launches are similar?
Thank you for proving you are incapable of reading.  He did NOT agree.  More LIES from Heiwa.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 27, 2017, 09:26:00 AM
Prove it and I'll pay you 1M €. So far you have been unable to do so.
?? I prove everything at my web site - http://heiwaco.com - and you don't pay as expected but I get a good laugh anyway. You suffer from cognitive dissonance and live in a fantasy world.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on June 27, 2017, 09:37:53 AM
Prove it and I'll pay you 1M €. So far you have been unable to do so.
?? I prove everything at my web site - http://heiwaco.com - and you don't pay as expected but I get a good laugh anyway. You suffer from cognitive dissonance and live in a fantasy world.

Sorry. Links to a joke of a website like yours don't count as proof.

I offer 1M € to anyone who can prove that "All manned launches in the past - Gemini, Apollo, Shuttle, etc, were just mockups that disappeared behind some clouds. The rest was filmed in Hollywood studios so people thought humans were in space".

So far, no one has been able to prove this. The reason is very simple, it's not true.

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of
Post by: markjo on June 27, 2017, 09:40:00 AM
Thanks for agreeing that all rocket launches are one way trips.
I'm pretty sure that I never said that, but thanks for avoiding my question again.

You send something away with the fuel available. And that's it.
So how does Arianespace make sure that they have enough fuel available to transfer satellites from low earth orbit to geostationary orbit?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on June 27, 2017, 10:26:40 AM
Prove it and I'll pay you 1M €. So far you have been unable to do so.
?? I prove everything at my web site - http://heiwaco.com - and you don't pay as expected but I get a good laugh anyway. You suffer from cognitive dissonance and live in a fantasy world.
Liar.  You prove nothing on your shitty website and you have never once offered any evidence to support any of your insane claims.  You are an idiot, a liar and a fraud.
All you have to do to prove me wrong is present some actual evidence here on this discussion board.  Easy right?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of
Post by: Heiwa on June 27, 2017, 10:35:00 AM
Thanks for agreeing that all rocket launches are one way trips.
I'm pretty sure that I never said that, but thanks for avoiding my question again.

You send something away with the fuel available. And that's it.
So how does Arianespace make sure that they have enough fuel available to transfer satellites from low earth orbit to geostationary orbit?
Sending any mass (m=kg) away from Earth is simple! Just apply a force (f=N) to it and the mass (m=kg) accelerates away (a=m/s²) because f=m a. I doubt you understand it, but it is not your fault. You are just stupid. Anyway ...
With too little force f (N) the mass (kg) drops back on Earth due to gravity, but with plenty force f (N), the mass will leave Earth and disappear for ever somewhere in the Universe/God/Allah/Muhamed/GWB/CIA/FBI/NSA/Obama/Donald!

With a force f (N) in between you enter Earth orbit like the Communist Sputnik. Ever heard about it? Sputnik! I doubt it. It was communist mass that orbited Earth. Nobody ever saw it. Why?
It was just propaganda.
In reality it never happened.
Only peoply suffering from cognitive dissonance like you believe it.
Where you born when the Sputnik was orbitting?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 27, 2017, 10:36:30 AM
Prove it and I'll pay you 1M €. So far you have been unable to do so.
?? I prove everything at my web site - http://heiwaco.com - and you don't pay as expected but I get a good laugh anyway. You suffer from cognitive dissonance and live in a fantasy world.
Liar.  You prove nothing on your shitty website and you have never once offered any evidence to support any of your insane claims.  You are an idiot, a liar and a fraud.
All you have to do to prove me wrong is present some actual evidence here on this discussion board.  Easy right?
? just copy/paste what you don't understand of my website and I will explain.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: frenat on June 27, 2017, 10:37:04 AM
Prove it and I'll pay you 1M €. So far you have been unable to do so.
?? I prove everything at my web site - http://heiwaco.com - and you don't pay as expected but I get a good laugh anyway. You suffer from cognitive dissonance and live in a fantasy world.
Begging the question and arguments from incredulity do not constitute proof.  That is all that is contained on your joke of a website.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on June 27, 2017, 10:43:25 AM
Prove it and I'll pay you 1M €. So far you have been unable to do so.
?? I prove everything at my web site - http://heiwaco.com - and you don't pay as expected but I get a good laugh anyway. You suffer from cognitive dissonance and live in a fantasy world.
Liar.  You prove nothing on your shitty website and you have never once offered any evidence to support any of your insane claims.  You are an idiot, a liar and a fraud.
All you have to do to prove me wrong is present some actual evidence here on this discussion board.  Easy right?
? just copy/paste what you don't understand of my website and I will explain.

To win my 1M € challenge you have to work a little harder than that. You must post the proof here yourself. So far no one has been able to do it. The reason is obvious.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 27, 2017, 10:51:33 AM
Prove it and I'll pay you 1M €. So far you have been unable to do so.
?? I prove everything at my web site - http://heiwaco.com - and you don't pay as expected but I get a good laugh anyway. You suffer from cognitive dissonance and live in a fantasy world.
Liar.  You prove nothing on your shitty website and you have never once offered any evidence to support any of your insane claims.  You are an idiot, a liar and a fraud.
All you have to do to prove me wrong is present some actual evidence here on this discussion board.  Easy right?
? just copy/paste what you don't understand of my website and I will explain.

To win my 1M € challenge you have to work a little harder than that. You must post the proof here yourself. So far no one has been able to do it. The reason is obvious.
I post all my proof at my web site http://heiwaco.com . You don't even post an email address or a link to your Challenge. You must be stupid. Can't you do better?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on June 27, 2017, 10:54:10 AM
Prove it and I'll pay you 1M €. So far you have been unable to do so.
?? I prove everything at my web site - http://heiwaco.com - and you don't pay as expected but I get a good laugh anyway. You suffer from cognitive dissonance and live in a fantasy world.
Liar.  You prove nothing on your shitty website and you have never once offered any evidence to support any of your insane claims.  You are an idiot, a liar and a fraud.
All you have to do to prove me wrong is present some actual evidence here on this discussion board.  Easy right?
? just copy/paste what you don't understand of my website and I will explain.

To win my 1M € challenge you have to work a little harder than that. You must post the proof here yourself. So far no one has been able to do it. The reason is obvious.
I post all my proof at my web site http://heiwaco.com . You don't even post an email address or a link to your Challenge. You must be stupid. Can't you do better?

To win my 1M € challenge you have to work a little harder than that. You must post the proof here yourself. So far no one has been able to do it. The reason is obvious.

Also I tried to make an agreement with you, where I would agree with you that I was stupid. But you broke the agreement in less than 24 hrs so now I will no longer agree with you on that.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on June 27, 2017, 10:56:13 AM
Prove it and I'll pay you 1M €. So far you have been unable to do so.
?? I prove everything at my web site - http://heiwaco.com - and you don't pay as expected but I get a good laugh anyway. You suffer from cognitive dissonance and live in a fantasy world.
Liar.  You prove nothing on your shitty website and you have never once offered any evidence to support any of your insane claims.  You are an idiot, a liar and a fraud.
All you have to do to prove me wrong is present some actual evidence here on this discussion board.  Easy right?
? just copy/paste what you don't understand of my website and I will explain.
Again no evidence.  Just more failure.  Show something here, anything to support your claims.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of
Post by: markjo on June 27, 2017, 10:57:40 AM
Thanks for agreeing that all rocket launches are one way trips.
I'm pretty sure that I never said that, but thanks for avoiding my question again.

You send something away with the fuel available. And that's it.
So how does Arianespace make sure that they have enough fuel available to transfer satellites from low earth orbit to geostationary orbit?
Sending any mass (m=kg) away from Earth is simple! Just apply a force (f=N) to it and the mass (m=kg) accelerates away (a=m/s²) because f=m a. I doubt you understand it, but it is not your fault. You are just stupid. Anyway ...
I think that I'm going to dub this the "ad hominem transfer maneuver".  It's when your opponent resorts to personal attacks in order to change the trajectory of the discussion.

Anders, I understand that you aren't answering my question.  How can Arianespace transfer a satellite from low earth orbit to geostationary orbit if you keep saying that they need all of the propellant just to get into low earth orbit?  Where did they get the extra fuel for the transfer burn?  How do they exactly know when to apply exactly the right amount of force in just the right direction for just the right amount of time in order to get the satellite into the proper orbital slot?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Dog on June 27, 2017, 11:06:02 AM
Prove it and I'll pay you 1M €. So far you have been unable to do so.
?? I prove everything at my web site - http://heiwaco.com - and you don't pay as expected but I get a good laugh anyway. You suffer from cognitive dissonance and live in a fantasy world.

Have your claims peer reviewed by an independent party and I'll pay you 10 dollars.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 27, 2017, 11:26:58 AM
Prove it and I'll pay you 1M €. So far you have been unable to do so.
?? I prove everything at my web site - http://heiwaco.com - and you don't pay as expected but I get a good laugh anyway. You suffer from cognitive dissonance and live in a fantasy world.

Have your claims peer reviewed by an independent party and I'll pay you 10 dollars.

Of course! My site http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm is downloaded by >200 times/day and there are no complaints at all. Just positive mails from all over the world.
Human space travel is of course a joke since early 1960's. Just fun. It never happened. It didn't hurt anyone. I just laugh about it as a typical example of Fake News like my supporters. Only idiots believe in manned space travel. I just feel sorry for them.

Do you believe that humans have travelled in space ... to the Moon, to the ISS? Why do you do it? Does it make you happy?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Dog on June 27, 2017, 11:42:42 AM
Quote from: Dog
Have your claims peer reviewed by an independent party and I'll pay you 10 dollars.

Of course! My site http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm is downloaded by >200 times/day and there are no complaints at all. Just positive mails from all over the world.

Peer Review
noun - evaluation of scientific, academic, or professional work by others working in the same field.

Do you believe that humans have travelled in space ... to the Moon, to the ISS? Why do you do it?

Because I'm not an edgy contrarian teenager.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: frenat on June 27, 2017, 11:45:27 AM
Prove it and I'll pay you 1M €. So far you have been unable to do so.
?? I prove everything at my web site - http://heiwaco.com - and you don't pay as expected but I get a good laugh anyway. You suffer from cognitive dissonance and live in a fantasy world.

Have your claims peer reviewed by an independent party and I'll pay you 10 dollars.

Of course! My site http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm is downloaded by >200 times/day and there are no complaints at all. Just positive mails from all over the world.
Human space travel is of course a joke since early 1960's. Just fun. It never happened. It didn't hurt anyone. I just laugh about it as a typical example of Fake News like my supporters. Only idiots believe in manned space travel. I just feel sorry for them.

Do you believe that humans have travelled in space ... to the Moon, to the ISS? Why do you do it? Does it make you happy?
Heiwa pretends not to know what peer review is.  Also funny that the majority of traffic to his site is from search engine bots which are a direct result of his repeated posting of the website address.  He's been told this multiple times but apparently gets his jollies from looking at the meager amount of hits to his crappy site.  Expect more shameless plugging of the address.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on June 27, 2017, 12:02:38 PM
Prove it and I'll pay you 1M €. So far you have been unable to do so.
?? I prove everything at my web site - http://heiwaco.com - and you don't pay as expected but I get a good laugh anyway. You suffer from cognitive dissonance and live in a fantasy world.

Have your claims peer reviewed by an independent party and I'll pay you 10 dollars.

Of course! My site http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm is downloaded by >200 times/day and there are no complaints at all. Just positive mails from all over the world.
Human space travel is of course a joke since early 1960's. Just fun. It never happened. It didn't hurt anyone. I just laugh about it as a typical example of Fake News like my supporters. Only idiots believe in manned space travel. I just feel sorry for them.

Do you believe that humans have travelled in space ... to the Moon, to the ISS? Why do you do it? Does it make you happy?
How does that have anything to do with his post?  Unless you are actually agreeing to have your claims submitted for peer review.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on June 27, 2017, 01:01:53 PM
Do you believe that humans have travelled in space ... to the Moon, to the ISS? Why do you do it? Does it make you happy?
Do you believe that Arianespace can put satellites into geostationary orbit even though they can't carry enough fuel or figure out when and in what direction to fire the rocket engine to transfer from low earth orbit to geostationary orbit?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 27, 2017, 01:26:58 PM
Do you believe that humans have travelled in space ... to the Moon, to the ISS? Why do you do it? Does it make you happy?
Do you believe that Arianespace can put satellites into geostationary orbit even though they can't carry enough fuel or figure out when and in what direction to fire the rocket engine to transfer from low earth orbit to geostationary orbit?

Arianespace using their rockets only sends things one way up in the sky on behalf of outside clients. It is a good business. What happens to the things afterwards is another business.
I have never heard about anything sent up by Arianespace having landed on Earth afterwards.

Have you?

Of course Mr. Lone Skum of XpaceS send things up in space all the time and ... lands his first stage booster in less than 10 minutes on Earth again. You can watch his stupid videos on the Internet. They are all photoshop, CGI nonsense. I describe the fraud at my web site.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on June 27, 2017, 02:32:52 PM
If you can prove it I will pay you 1M€.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 27, 2017, 03:17:53 PM
If you can prove it I will pay you 1M€.
But I did, and you didn't pay.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on June 27, 2017, 03:21:34 PM
If you can prove it I will pay you 1M€.
But I did, and you didn't pay.

How does it feel?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on June 27, 2017, 03:32:40 PM
Arianespace using their rockets only sends things one way up in the sky on behalf of outside clients. It is a good business.
But It's very bad for business if Arianespace can't get the satellite into the proper orbit because they can't carry enough propellant to transfer from low earth orbit to geostationary orbit.  Wouldn't you agree?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on June 27, 2017, 04:18:24 PM
If you can prove it I will pay you 1M€.
But I did, and you didn't pay.
You have literally never shown any evidence of any of your nonsense.
More failure.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 27, 2017, 09:59:26 PM
Arianespace using their rockets only sends things one way up in the sky on behalf of outside clients. It is a good business.
But It's very bad for business if Arianespace can't get the satellite into the proper orbit because they can't carry enough propellant to transfer from low earth orbit to geostationary orbit.  Wouldn't you agree?

As I always say. All space craft trips are one-way only. You can only carry fuel to reach the target, e.g. a certain orbit ... and that's it. You cannot stop, start again in space and come back and land on Earth. Arianespace only sends very light spacecrafts (satellites) into orbits using plenty fuel and that is all. I explain it at http://heiwaco.com .

You on the other hand indicate that space travel with humans aboars is very easy jumping from orbits to orbits with stops and starts in betweeen and that fuel is no problem.

But you cannot even explain how to stop and start in space and the fuel required for it. Reason is that you cannot carry the fuel required to stop and start again in space. It is impossible.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on June 27, 2017, 11:26:14 PM
Why do you think you have to "stop and start again"?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: disputeone on June 27, 2017, 11:31:56 PM
Why do you think you have to "stop and start again"?

To be fair, and in my (very) limited understanding of orbits, if you "stopped" you would simply fall into the body you are orbiting. That's why we need such a large velocity to achieve orbit and a much higher escape velocity.

Stopping on another planet would just be like taking off from earth again.



(https://s18.postimg.org/a3peqe42h/downloadfile-1.png)




(https://s12.postimg.org/e6m6f96m5/5_DGEKb_PNHFn_JLg_S_Rwr9kx8o_CXt15_DN74_JOTFIa_Sy_Z8d_ODl.gif)

Edit.

Inb4 re-entry is impossible.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on June 28, 2017, 12:48:31 AM
Why do you think you have to "stop and start again"?

To be fair, and in my (very) limited understanding of orbits, if you "stopped" you would simply fall into the body you are orbiting. That's why we need such a large velocity to achieve orbit and a much higher escape velocity.

Stopping on another planet would just be like taking off from earth again.



(https://s18.postimg.org/a3peqe42h/downloadfile-1.png)




(https://s12.postimg.org/e6m6f96m5/5_DGEKb_PNHFn_JLg_S_Rwr9kx8o_CXt15_DN74_JOTFIa_Sy_Z8d_ODl.gif)

Edit.

Inb4 re-entry is impossible.

Yeah, but what does that have to do with stopping and starting again? The only time you have to stop is when you land on the moon. After that it's a lot easier to take off from the moon because of its substantially weaker gravity and lack of atmosphere.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 28, 2017, 03:29:01 AM
Why do you think you have to "stop and start again"?

To be fair, and in my (very) limited understanding of orbits, if you "stopped" you would simply fall into the body you are orbiting. That's why we need such a large velocity to achieve orbit and a much higher escape velocity.

Stopping on another planet would just be like taking off from earth again.



(https://s18.postimg.org/a3peqe42h/downloadfile-1.png)




(https://s12.postimg.org/e6m6f96m5/5_DGEKb_PNHFn_JLg_S_Rwr9kx8o_CXt15_DN74_JOTFIa_Sy_Z8d_ODl.gif)

Edit.

Inb4 re-entry is impossible.

Yeah, but what does that have to do with stopping and starting again? The only time you have to stop is when you land on the moon. After that it's a lot easier to take off from the moon because of its substantially weaker gravity and lack of atmosphere.
Space travel is complicated. First you have to get into high speed orbit around Earth and from there into another higher speed orbit or variable speed/direction trajectory to reach the Moon or Mars that you probably orbit before slowing down to land on. Earth gravity really slows you down getting away. The return trip is similar. You take off into orbit Moon or Mars and from there you speed off into another orbit or trajectory to return to Earth. As soon as you are subject to Earth gravity, you go faster and faster towards the center of Earth and then you have to re-enter and land. It seems nobody knows how to calculate the fuel required for all these maneuvers for any trip and that one or the big problem is to take off with all the fuel aboard at the beginning. Actually it is not possible at all.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Kami on June 28, 2017, 03:48:28 AM
Why do you think you have to "stop and start again"?

To be fair, and in my (very) limited understanding of orbits, if you "stopped" you would simply fall into the body you are orbiting. That's why we need such a large velocity to achieve orbit and a much higher escape velocity.

Stopping on another planet would just be like taking off from earth again.



(https://s18.postimg.org/a3peqe42h/downloadfile-1.png)




(https://s12.postimg.org/e6m6f96m5/5_DGEKb_PNHFn_JLg_S_Rwr9kx8o_CXt15_DN74_JOTFIa_Sy_Z8d_ODl.gif)

Edit.

Inb4 re-entry is impossible.

Yeah, but what does that have to do with stopping and starting again? The only time you have to stop is when you land on the moon. After that it's a lot easier to take off from the moon because of its substantially weaker gravity and lack of atmosphere.
Space travel is complicated. First you have to get into high speed orbit around Earth and from there into another higher speed orbit or variable speed/direction trajectory to reach the Moon or Mars that you probably orbit before slowing down to land on. Earth gravity really slows you down getting away. The return trip is similar. You take off into orbit Moon or Mars and from there you speed off into another orbit or trajectory to return to Earth. As soon as you are subject to Earth gravity, you go faster and faster towards the center of Earth and then you have to re-enter and land. It seems nobody knows how to calculate the fuel required for all these maneuvers for any trip and that one or the big problem is to take off with all the fuel aboard at the beginning. Actually it is not possible at all.
It seems that you completely ignore all hints that are given to you. If you know the required delta-v then you can simply use  this  (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsiolkovsky_rocket_equation) equation. Do you debate that or do you simply not know how to calculate the necessary delta-v?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 28, 2017, 05:13:56 AM
Why do you think you have to "stop and start again"?

To be fair, and in my (very) limited understanding of orbits, if you "stopped" you would simply fall into the body you are orbiting. That's why we need such a large velocity to achieve orbit and a much higher escape velocity.

Stopping on another planet would just be like taking off from earth again.



(https://s18.postimg.org/a3peqe42h/downloadfile-1.png)




(https://s12.postimg.org/e6m6f96m5/5_DGEKb_PNHFn_JLg_S_Rwr9kx8o_CXt15_DN74_JOTFIa_Sy_Z8d_ODl.gif)

Edit.

Inb4 re-entry is impossible.

Yeah, but what does that have to do with stopping and starting again? The only time you have to stop is when you land on the moon. After that it's a lot easier to take off from the moon because of its substantially weaker gravity and lack of atmosphere.
Space travel is complicated. First you have to get into high speed orbit around Earth and from there into another higher speed orbit or variable speed/direction trajectory to reach the Moon or Mars that you probably orbit before slowing down to land on. Earth gravity really slows you down getting away. The return trip is similar. You take off into orbit Moon or Mars and from there you speed off into another orbit or trajectory to return to Earth. As soon as you are subject to Earth gravity, you go faster and faster towards the center of Earth and then you have to re-enter and land. It seems nobody knows how to calculate the fuel required for all these maneuvers for any trip and that one or the big problem is to take off with all the fuel aboard at the beginning. Actually it is not possible at all.
It seems that you completely ignore all hints that are given to you. If you know the required delta-v then you can simply use  this  (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsiolkovsky_rocket_equation) equation. Do you debate that or do you simply not know how to calculate the necessary delta-v?
?? What has delta-v to do with fuel consumption for space trips? Tsiolkovsky's equation is about the force required for speed change of a mass in space ignoring external gravity forces. A purely theoretical question. It has nothing to do with planning trips to Moon/Mars. You don't know much about orbital mechanics, I conclude. 
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on June 28, 2017, 05:17:30 AM
Why do you think you have to "stop and start again"?

To be fair, and in my (very) limited understanding of orbits, if you "stopped" you would simply fall into the body you are orbiting. That's why we need such a large velocity to achieve orbit and a much higher escape velocity.

Stopping on another planet would just be like taking off from earth again.



(https://s18.postimg.org/a3peqe42h/downloadfile-1.png)




(https://s12.postimg.org/e6m6f96m5/5_DGEKb_PNHFn_JLg_S_Rwr9kx8o_CXt15_DN74_JOTFIa_Sy_Z8d_ODl.gif)

Edit.

Inb4 re-entry is impossible.

Yeah, but what does that have to do with stopping and starting again? The only time you have to stop is when you land on the moon. After that it's a lot easier to take off from the moon because of its substantially weaker gravity and lack of atmosphere.
Space travel is complicated. First you have to get into high speed orbit around Earth and from there into another higher speed orbit or variable speed/direction trajectory to reach the Moon or Mars that you probably orbit before slowing down to land on. Earth gravity really slows you down getting away. The return trip is similar. You take off into orbit Moon or Mars and from there you speed off into another orbit or trajectory to return to Earth. As soon as you are subject to Earth gravity, you go faster and faster towards the center of Earth and then you have to re-enter and land. It seems nobody knows how to calculate the fuel required for all these maneuvers for any trip and that one or the big problem is to take off with all the fuel aboard at the beginning. Actually it is not possible at all.
You make some interesting claims in this post.  Similar to claims you make on your website.  However, it’s well established that we can and do send vehicle into space.  Even so far as to impact a comet on the Deep Impact project. 

There is more than a century of peer reviewed papers, journals, college text books, and actual launches/missions.  Since you make the extraordinary claim that none of this is possible I have to ask.  What is your technical basis?  What calculations or experiments support you opinion?

Here, I’ll help you out.  Your website states, in part, that the Juno mission would be impossible due to quasars and black holes.  Your site provides plenty of disparate facts and conclusions but provide no direct or sources for an analytical basis to show why the Juno mission would be impossible.  Here are a couple of papers on black holes and quasars.  Please review them and provide a technical basis for your claims.

https://www.osti.gov/scitech/servlets/purl/4233096
https://www.osti.gov/scitech/servlets/purl/4259251
http://lss.fnal.gov/archive/2017/pub/fermilab-pub-17-038-ae.pdf
http://lss.fnal.gov/archive/2015/pub/fermilab-pub-15-341-ae.pdf
http://courses.ncssm.edu/math/NCSSM%20Student%20Materials/InvestigationsTrimester%203/Moon.pdf
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: frenat on June 28, 2017, 05:20:46 AM
Why do you think you have to "stop and start again"?
Because the thread topic.  Nice of him to prove it again.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: frenat on June 28, 2017, 05:25:32 AM

?? What has delta-v to do with fuel consumption for space trips?
and he proves the thread topic again.  Keep digging that hole and keep the humor coming Heiwa.  We'll all keep laughing at you.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 28, 2017, 05:26:01 AM
Why do you think you have to "stop and start again"?

To be fair, and in my (very) limited understanding of orbits, if you "stopped" you would simply fall into the body you are orbiting. That's why we need such a large velocity to achieve orbit and a much higher escape velocity.

Stopping on another planet would just be like taking off from earth again.



(https://s18.postimg.org/a3peqe42h/downloadfile-1.png)




(https://s12.postimg.org/e6m6f96m5/5_DGEKb_PNHFn_JLg_S_Rwr9kx8o_CXt15_DN74_JOTFIa_Sy_Z8d_ODl.gif)

Edit.

Inb4 re-entry is impossible.

Yeah, but what does that have to do with stopping and starting again? The only time you have to stop is when you land on the moon. After that it's a lot easier to take off from the moon because of its substantially weaker gravity and lack of atmosphere.
Space travel is complicated. First you have to get into high speed orbit around Earth and from there into another higher speed orbit or variable speed/direction trajectory to reach the Moon or Mars that you probably orbit before slowing down to land on. Earth gravity really slows you down getting away. The return trip is similar. You take off into orbit Moon or Mars and from there you speed off into another orbit or trajectory to return to Earth. As soon as you are subject to Earth gravity, you go faster and faster towards the center of Earth and then you have to re-enter and land. It seems nobody knows how to calculate the fuel required for all these maneuvers for any trip and that one or the big problem is to take off with all the fuel aboard at the beginning. Actually it is not possible at all.
You make some interesting claims in this post.  Similar to claims you make on your website.  However, it’s well established that we can and do send vehicle into space.  Even so far as to impact a comet on the Deep Impact project. 

There is more than a century of peer reviewed papers, journals, college text books, and actual launches/missions.  Since you make the extraordinary claim that none of this is possible I have to ask.  What is your technical basis?  What calculations or experiments support you opinion?

Here, I’ll help you out.  Your website states, in part, that the Juno mission would be impossible due to quasars and black holes.  Your site provides plenty of disparate facts and conclusions but provide no direct or sources for an analytical basis to show why the Juno mission would be impossible.  Here are a couple of papers on black holes and quasars.  Please review them and provide a technical basis for your claims.

https://www.osti.gov/scitech/servlets/purl/4233096
https://www.osti.gov/scitech/servlets/purl/4259251
http://lss.fnal.gov/archive/2017/pub/fermilab-pub-17-038-ae.pdf
http://lss.fnal.gov/archive/2015/pub/fermilab-pub-15-341-ae.pdf
http://courses.ncssm.edu/math/NCSSM%20Student%20Materials/InvestigationsTrimester%203/Moon.pdf

Thanks - for your nonsense. You sound like Stephen Hawking, the biggest fraud in cosmology that I describe at my website http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm . Stephen, a Cambridge physics professor, discovered Black Holes in space, even if they are so small and dense that they cannot be seen. He fooled anyone at Cambridge, which is quite easy. Then Stephen announced that he was ill  - ALS - and would die after a year ... but that was >30 years ago. Stephen is still around and media thinks he is a hero. But he is just a snake oil vendor. I always have a good laugh at Stephen.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on June 28, 2017, 05:28:51 AM
Why do you have to be so arrogant and obnoxious in your post? Does it make you happy?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: frenat on June 28, 2017, 05:37:01 AM
Thanks - for your nonsense. You sound like Stephen Hawking, the biggest fraud in cosmology that I describe at my website http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm . Stephen, a Cambridge physics professor, discovered Black Holes in space, even if they are so small and dense that they cannot be seen. He fooled anyone at Cambridge, which is quite easy. Then Stephen announced that he was ill  - ALS - and would die after a year ... but that was >30 years ago. Stephen is still around and media thinks he is a hero. But he is just a snake oil vendor. I always have a good laugh at Stephen.

The above is from someone that claims to be a "nice" guy.  Just more LIES from Heiwa
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on June 28, 2017, 06:14:19 AM

Space travel is complicated. First you have to get into high speed orbit around Earth and from there into another higher speed orbit or variable speed/direction trajectory to reach the Moon or Mars that you probably orbit before slowing down to land on. Earth gravity really slows you down getting away. The return trip is similar. You take off into orbit Moon or Mars and from there you speed off into another orbit or trajectory to return to Earth. As soon as you are subject to Earth gravity, you go faster and faster towards the center of Earth and then you have to re-enter and land. It seems nobody knows how to calculate the fuel required for all these maneuvers for any trip and that one or the big problem is to take off with all the fuel aboard at the beginning. Actually it is not possible at all.
You make some interesting claims in this post.  Similar to claims you make on your website.  However, it’s well established that we can and do send vehicle into space.  Even so far as to impact a comet on the Deep Impact project. 

There is more than a century of peer reviewed papers, journals, college text books, and actual launches/missions.  Since you make the extraordinary claim that none of this is possible I have to ask.  What is your technical basis?  What calculations or experiments support you opinion?

Here, I’ll help you out.  Your website states, in part, that the Juno mission would be impossible due to quasars and black holes.  Your site provides plenty of disparate facts and conclusions but provide no direct or sources for an analytical basis to show why the Juno mission would be impossible.  Here are a couple of papers on black holes and quasars.  Please review them and provide a technical basis for your claims.

https://www.osti.gov/scitech/servlets/purl/4233096
https://www.osti.gov/scitech/servlets/purl/4259251
http://lss.fnal.gov/archive/2017/pub/fermilab-pub-17-038-ae.pdf
http://lss.fnal.gov/archive/2015/pub/fermilab-pub-15-341-ae.pdf
http://courses.ncssm.edu/math/NCSSM%20Student%20Materials/InvestigationsTrimester%203/Moon.pdf

Thanks - for your nonsense. You sound like Stephen Hawking, the biggest fraud in cosmology that I describe at my website http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm . Stephen, a Cambridge physics professor, discovered Black Holes in space, even if they are so small and dense that they cannot be seen. He fooled anyone at Cambridge, which is quite easy. Then Stephen announced that he was ill  - ALS - and would die after a year ... but that was >30 years ago. Stephen is still around and media thinks he is a hero. But he is just a snake oil vendor. I always have a good laugh at Stephen.
So this is only your opinion the without any proof. 

You simply can’t say something as fact and have anyone believe you.  You have to prove it. You’re the one making the extraordinary claim that the entire scientific and physics community, involving centuries of proofs and experiments, is wrong.  Making such a claim makes you responsible for justifying that claim.  You have the responsibility to show why everyone else’s calculations are wrong by providing a reasonable and testable technical rational.  Such a claim must stand up to peer review. 

Your have to realize that your claims will have no credibility until you provide the proof for all to see. 

Mike

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on June 28, 2017, 06:32:09 AM
As I always say. All space craft trips are one-way only. You can only carry fuel to reach the target, e.g. a certain orbit ... and that's it. You cannot stop, start again in space and come back and land on Earth.
Why would anyone want to stop and start in space?  ???

Arianespace only sends very light spacecrafts (satellites) into orbits using plenty fuel and that is all. I explain it at http://heiwaco.com .
But you aren't explaining how Ariane 5 ECA can carry enough fuel to put a 10.5 tonne satellite (not very light in my opinion) into low earth orbit and then transfer it into a much higher geostationary orbit.

You on the other hand indicate that space travel with humans aboars is very easy jumping from orbits to orbits with stops and starts in betweeen and that fuel is no problem.
When did I ever say any of that?  ???

But you cannot even explain how to stop and start in space and the fuel required for it. Reason is that you cannot carry the fuel required to stop and start again in space. It is impossible.
The reason that I never explain how to stop and start in space is because no one in their right mind would ever try such a stupid thing.  Slowing down and speeding up in space is a different story.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 28, 2017, 06:47:08 AM
As I always say. All space craft trips are one-way only. You can only carry fuel to reach the target, e.g. a certain orbit ... and that's it. You cannot stop, start again in space and come back and land on Earth.
Why would anyone want to stop and start in space?  ???

Arianespace only sends very light spacecrafts (satellites) into orbits using plenty fuel and that is all. I explain it at http://heiwaco.com .
But you aren't explaining how Ariane 5 ECA can carry enough fuel to put a 10.5 tonne satellite (not very light in my opinion) into low earth orbit and then transfer it into a much higher geostationary orbit.

You on the other hand indicate that space travel with humans aboars is very easy jumping from orbits to orbits with stops and starts in betweeen and that fuel is no problem.
When did I ever say any of that?  ???

But you cannot even explain how to stop and start in space and the fuel required for it. Reason is that you cannot carry the fuel required to stop and start again in space. It is impossible.
The reason that I never explain how to stop and start in space is because no one in their right mind would ever try such a stupid thing.  Slowing down and speeding up in space is a different story.

LOL - a space trip starts a 0 speed on Earth and ends at 0 speed on Earth and in the meantime you must stop and start at the target of the trip, e.g. the Moon. I clearly show at my web site that you cannot carry the fuel with you for such a trip and I offer anyone €1M to show I am wrong. You have failed my generous offer. Why do you instead just produce stupid, garbage posts?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on June 28, 2017, 09:28:08 AM
As I always say. All space craft trips are one-way only. You can only carry fuel to reach the target, e.g. a certain orbit ... and that's it. You cannot stop, start again in space and come back and land on Earth.
Why would anyone want to stop and start in space?  ???

Arianespace only sends very light spacecrafts (satellites) into orbits using plenty fuel and that is all. I explain it at http://heiwaco.com .
But you aren't explaining how Ariane 5 ECA can carry enough fuel to put a 10.5 tonne satellite (not very light in my opinion) into low earth orbit and then transfer it into a much higher geostationary orbit.

You on the other hand indicate that space travel with humans aboars is very easy jumping from orbits to orbits with stops and starts in betweeen and that fuel is no problem.
When did I ever say any of that?  ???

But you cannot even explain how to stop and start in space and the fuel required for it. Reason is that you cannot carry the fuel required to stop and start again in space. It is impossible.
The reason that I never explain how to stop and start in space is because no one in their right mind would ever try such a stupid thing.  Slowing down and speeding up in space is a different story.

LOL - a space trip starts a 0 speed on Earth and ends at 0 speed on Earth and in the meantime you must stop and start at the target of the trip, e.g. the Moon. I clearly show at my web site that you cannot carry the fuel with you for such a trip and I offer anyone €1M to show I am wrong. You have failed my generous offer. Why do you instead just produce stupid, garbage posts?
No, you claim it.  You have never once shown any evidence to support your insane ideas. 
Prove me wrong, show your proof here or continue to be known as an idiot, a failure and a liar.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on June 28, 2017, 09:35:16 AM
LOL - a space trip starts a 0 speed on Earth and ends at 0 speed on Earth and in the meantime you must stop and start at the target of the trip, e.g. the Moon. I clearly show at my web site that you cannot carry the fuel with you for such a trip...
That's because you fail to understand that NASA doesn't use just one rocket for these trips.  For the Apollo missions, NASA used 6 rockets for the trip.  The Saturn V first, second and third stages, the service module, lunar module ascent and descent stages were all individual rockets that had their own fuel supplies.  Each rocket only needed to carry enough fuel to carry out its specific part of the mission.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on June 28, 2017, 10:18:40 AM
Someone has to buy Heiwa a copy of Kerbal Space Program.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 28, 2017, 11:00:33 AM
LOL - a space trip starts a 0 speed on Earth and ends at 0 speed on Earth and in the meantime you must stop and start at the target of the trip, e.g. the Moon. I clearly show at my web site that you cannot carry the fuel with you for such a trip...
That's because you fail to understand that NASA doesn't use just one rocket for these trips.  For the Apollo missions, NASA used 6 rockets for the trip.  The Saturn V first, second and third stages, the service module, lunar module ascent and descent stages were all individual rockets that had their own fuel supplies.  Each rocket only needed to carry enough fuel to carry out its specific part of the mission.
Yes, I know! See http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm .

It was a very heavy solution that never could lift off the ground. But Hollywood made a good job of it. What a comedy.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on June 28, 2017, 11:19:28 AM
;)
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on June 28, 2017, 11:27:16 AM
LOL - a space trip starts a 0 speed on Earth and ends at 0 speed on Earth and in the meantime you must stop and start at the target of the trip, e.g. the Moon. I clearly show at my web site that you cannot carry the fuel with you for such a trip...
That's because you fail to understand that NASA doesn't use just one rocket for these trips.  For the Apollo missions, NASA used 6 rockets for the trip.  The Saturn V first, second and third stages, the service module, lunar module ascent and descent stages were all individual rockets that had their own fuel supplies.  Each rocket only needed to carry enough fuel to carry out its specific part of the mission.
Yes, I know! See http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm .

It was a very heavy solution that never could lift off the ground. But Hollywood made a good job of it. What a comedy.
Great.  Show us some proof.  Here, not on your shitty website.
But you won't.  You're a liar and a failure.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on June 28, 2017, 12:27:23 PM
LOL - a space trip starts a 0 speed on Earth and ends at 0 speed on Earth and in the meantime you must stop and start at the target of the trip, e.g. the Moon. I clearly show at my web site that you cannot carry the fuel with you for such a trip...
That's because you fail to understand that NASA doesn't use just one rocket for these trips.  For the Apollo missions, NASA used 6 rockets for the trip.  The Saturn V first, second and third stages, the service module, lunar module ascent and descent stages were all individual rockets that had their own fuel supplies.  Each rocket only needed to carry enough fuel to carry out its specific part of the mission.
Yes, I know! See http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm .

It was a very heavy solution that never could lift off the ground.
Evidently it could because many thousands of people witnessed it lifting off the ground a number of times.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: frenat on June 28, 2017, 12:31:10 PM
LOL - a space trip starts a 0 speed on Earth and ends at 0 speed on Earth and in the meantime you must stop and start at the target of the trip, e.g. the Moon. I clearly show at my web site that you cannot carry the fuel with you for such a trip...
That's because you fail to understand that NASA doesn't use just one rocket for these trips.  For the Apollo missions, NASA used 6 rockets for the trip.  The Saturn V first, second and third stages, the service module, lunar module ascent and descent stages were all individual rockets that had their own fuel supplies.  Each rocket only needed to carry enough fuel to carry out its specific part of the mission.
Yes, I know! See http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm .

It was a very heavy solution that never could lift off the ground.
Evidently it could because many thousands of people witnessed it lifting off the ground a number of times.
and still others saw it in orbit and/or witnessed the TLI burn.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 28, 2017, 08:06:54 PM
LOL - a space trip starts a 0 speed on Earth and ends at 0 speed on Earth and in the meantime you must stop and start at the target of the trip, e.g. the Moon. I clearly show at my web site that you cannot carry the fuel with you for such a trip...
That's because you fail to understand that NASA doesn't use just one rocket for these trips.  For the Apollo missions, NASA used 6 rockets for the trip.  The Saturn V first, second and third stages, the service module, lunar module ascent and descent stages were all individual rockets that had their own fuel supplies.  Each rocket only needed to carry enough fuel to carry out its specific part of the mission.
Yes, I know! See http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm .

It was a very heavy solution that never could lift off the ground.
Evidently it could because many thousands of people witnessed it lifting off the ground a number of times.
and still others saw it in orbit and/or witnessed the TLI burn.

LOL - it was an empty mockup (wood/paper) of a rocket that took off to impress people. The rest was filmed in a studio.

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on June 28, 2017, 09:22:26 PM

LOL - it was an empty mockup (wood/paper) of a rocket that took off to impress people. The rest was filmed in a studio.



I love your style, but, you're starting to sound a bit scatter-brained.

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Kami on June 28, 2017, 10:32:11 PM
?? What has delta-v to do with fuel consumption for space trips?
Wow. Just ... wow.
I quote:
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You don't know much about orbital mechanics, I conclude.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on June 28, 2017, 10:46:34 PM
LOL - a space trip starts a 0 speed on Earth and ends at 0 speed on Earth and in the meantime you must stop and start at the target of the trip, e.g. the Moon. I clearly show at my web site that you cannot carry the fuel with you for such a trip...
That's because you fail to understand that NASA doesn't use just one rocket for these trips.  For the Apollo missions, NASA used 6 rockets for the trip.  The Saturn V first, second and third stages, the service module, lunar module ascent and descent stages were all individual rockets that had their own fuel supplies.  Each rocket only needed to carry enough fuel to carry out its specific part of the mission.
Yes, I know! See http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm .

It was a very heavy solution that never could lift off the ground.
Evidently it could because many thousands of people witnessed it lifting off the ground a number of times.
and still others saw it in orbit and/or witnessed the TLI burn.

LOL - it was an empty mockup (wood/paper) of a rocket that took off to impress people. The rest was filmed in a studio.

Prove it and I pay you 1M€. So far no one has won my challenge. This proves that you are wrong!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 29, 2017, 03:11:37 AM
LOL - a space trip starts a 0 speed on Earth and ends at 0 speed on Earth and in the meantime you must stop and start at the target of the trip, e.g. the Moon. I clearly show at my web site that you cannot carry the fuel with you for such a trip...
That's because you fail to understand that NASA doesn't use just one rocket for these trips.  For the Apollo missions, NASA used 6 rockets for the trip.  The Saturn V first, second and third stages, the service module, lunar module ascent and descent stages were all individual rockets that had their own fuel supplies.  Each rocket only needed to carry enough fuel to carry out its specific part of the mission.
Yes, I know! See http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm .

It was a very heavy solution that never could lift off the ground.
Evidently it could because many thousands of people witnessed it lifting off the ground a number of times.
and still others saw it in orbit and/or witnessed the TLI burn.

LOL - it was an empty mockup (wood/paper) of a rocket that took off to impress people. The rest was filmed in a studio.

Prove it and I pay you 1M€. So far no one has won my challenge. This proves that you are wrong!
Pls provide a link to your challenge with all details about it + your full style + bank details, so I can collect the money.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on June 29, 2017, 04:50:07 AM
LOL - a space trip starts a 0 speed on Earth and ends at 0 speed on Earth and in the meantime you must stop and start at the target of the trip, e.g. the Moon. I clearly show at my web site that you cannot carry the fuel with you for such a trip...
That's because you fail to understand that NASA doesn't use just one rocket for these trips.  For the Apollo missions, NASA used 6 rockets for the trip.  The Saturn V first, second and third stages, the service module, lunar module ascent and descent stages were all individual rockets that had their own fuel supplies.  Each rocket only needed to carry enough fuel to carry out its specific part of the mission.
Yes, I know! See http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm .

It was a very heavy solution that never could lift off the ground.
Evidently it could because many thousands of people witnessed it lifting off the ground a number of times.
and still others saw it in orbit and/or witnessed the TLI burn.

LOL - it was an empty mockup (wood/paper) of a rocket that took off to impress people. The rest was filmed in a studio.

Prove it and I pay you 1M€. So far no one has won my challenge. This proves that you are wrong!
Pls provide a link to your challenge with all details about it + your full style + bank details, so I can collect the money.

My dear sir, please provide the proof! LOL
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: frenat on June 29, 2017, 05:19:45 AM
LOL - a space trip starts a 0 speed on Earth and ends at 0 speed on Earth and in the meantime you must stop and start at the target of the trip, e.g. the Moon. I clearly show at my web site that you cannot carry the fuel with you for such a trip...
That's because you fail to understand that NASA doesn't use just one rocket for these trips.  For the Apollo missions, NASA used 6 rockets for the trip.  The Saturn V first, second and third stages, the service module, lunar module ascent and descent stages were all individual rockets that had their own fuel supplies.  Each rocket only needed to carry enough fuel to carry out its specific part of the mission.
Yes, I know! See http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm .

It was a very heavy solution that never could lift off the ground.
Evidently it could because many thousands of people witnessed it lifting off the ground a number of times.
and still others saw it in orbit and/or witnessed the TLI burn.

LOL - it was an empty mockup (wood/paper) of a rocket that took off to impress people. The rest was filmed in a studio.
Unsupported opinion and wouldn't then have been visible and trackable in orbit and wouldn't have had the TLI burn be visible to those on the ground.  Just because YOU don't understand it doesn't mean it didn't happen.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on June 29, 2017, 08:39:49 AM
LOL - a space trip starts a 0 speed on Earth and ends at 0 speed on Earth and in the meantime you must stop and start at the target of the trip, e.g. the Moon. I clearly show at my web site that you cannot carry the fuel with you for such a trip...
That's because you fail to understand that NASA doesn't use just one rocket for these trips.  For the Apollo missions, NASA used 6 rockets for the trip.  The Saturn V first, second and third stages, the service module, lunar module ascent and descent stages were all individual rockets that had their own fuel supplies.  Each rocket only needed to carry enough fuel to carry out its specific part of the mission.
Yes, I know! See http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm .

It was a very heavy solution that never could lift off the ground.
Evidently it could because many thousands of people witnessed it lifting off the ground a number of times.
and still others saw it in orbit and/or witnessed the TLI burn.

LOL - it was an empty mockup (wood/paper) of a rocket that took off to impress people. The rest was filmed in a studio.
And you can prove that statement?  ::)
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 29, 2017, 08:41:25 AM
LOL - a space trip starts a 0 speed on Earth and ends at 0 speed on Earth and in the meantime you must stop and start at the target of the trip, e.g. the Moon. I clearly show at my web site that you cannot carry the fuel with you for such a trip...
That's because you fail to understand that NASA doesn't use just one rocket for these trips.  For the Apollo missions, NASA used 6 rockets for the trip.  The Saturn V first, second and third stages, the service module, lunar module ascent and descent stages were all individual rockets that had their own fuel supplies.  Each rocket only needed to carry enough fuel to carry out its specific part of the mission.
Yes, I know! See http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm .

It was a very heavy solution that never could lift off the ground.
Evidently it could because many thousands of people witnessed it lifting off the ground a number of times.
and still others saw it in orbit and/or witnessed the TLI burn.

LOL - it was an empty mockup (wood/paper) of a rocket that took off to impress people. The rest was filmed in a studio.

Prove it and I pay you 1M€. So far no one has won my challenge. This proves that you are wrong!
Pls provide a link to your challenge with all details about it + your full style + bank details, so I can collect the money.

My dear sir, please provide the proof! LOL

Well, I do since many years. If you intend to explore the Universe starting from Earth, you will never get off the ground with whatever spacecraft you use. You are too heavy with all your stuff required.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 29, 2017, 08:44:23 AM
LOL - a space trip starts a 0 speed on Earth and ends at 0 speed on Earth and in the meantime you must stop and start at the target of the trip, e.g. the Moon. I clearly show at my web site that you cannot carry the fuel with you for such a trip...
That's because you fail to understand that NASA doesn't use just one rocket for these trips.  For the Apollo missions, NASA used 6 rockets for the trip.  The Saturn V first, second and third stages, the service module, lunar module ascent and descent stages were all individual rockets that had their own fuel supplies.  Each rocket only needed to carry enough fuel to carry out its specific part of the mission.
Yes, I know! See http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm .

It was a very heavy solution that never could lift off the ground.
Evidently it could because many thousands of people witnessed it lifting off the ground a number of times.
and still others saw it in orbit and/or witnessed the TLI burn.

LOL - it was an empty mockup (wood/paper) of a rocket that took off to impress people. The rest was filmed in a studio.
And you can prove that statement?  ::)

Well, just examine carefully the footage of the lift offs and come to see me and I will explain the manipulations. I look forward to see you.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on June 29, 2017, 08:45:49 AM
LOL - a space trip starts a 0 speed on Earth and ends at 0 speed on Earth and in the meantime you must stop and start at the target of the trip, e.g. the Moon. I clearly show at my web site that you cannot carry the fuel with you for such a trip...
That's because you fail to understand that NASA doesn't use just one rocket for these trips.  For the Apollo missions, NASA used 6 rockets for the trip.  The Saturn V first, second and third stages, the service module, lunar module ascent and descent stages were all individual rockets that had their own fuel supplies.  Each rocket only needed to carry enough fuel to carry out its specific part of the mission.
Yes, I know! See http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm .

It was a very heavy solution that never could lift off the ground.
Evidently it could because many thousands of people witnessed it lifting off the ground a number of times.
and still others saw it in orbit and/or witnessed the TLI burn.

LOL - it was an empty mockup (wood/paper) of a rocket that took off to impress people. The rest was filmed in a studio.

Prove it and I pay you 1M€. So far no one has won my challenge. This proves that you are wrong!
Pls provide a link to your challenge with all details about it + your full style + bank details, so I can collect the money.

My dear sir, please provide the proof! LOL

Well, I do since many years. If you intend to explore the Universe starting from Earth, you will never get off the ground with whatever spacecraft you use. You are too heavy with all your stuff required.

Sorry, that does not qualify to win my challenge.

The reason you can't win my challenge is because you are wrong!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on June 29, 2017, 09:02:23 AM
LOL - a space trip starts a 0 speed on Earth and ends at 0 speed on Earth and in the meantime you must stop and start at the target of the trip, e.g. the Moon. I clearly show at my web site that you cannot carry the fuel with you for such a trip...
That's because you fail to understand that NASA doesn't use just one rocket for these trips.  For the Apollo missions, NASA used 6 rockets for the trip.  The Saturn V first, second and third stages, the service module, lunar module ascent and descent stages were all individual rockets that had their own fuel supplies.  Each rocket only needed to carry enough fuel to carry out its specific part of the mission.
Yes, I know! See http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm .

It was a very heavy solution that never could lift off the ground.
Evidently it could because many thousands of people witnessed it lifting off the ground a number of times.
and still others saw it in orbit and/or witnessed the TLI burn.

LOL - it was an empty mockup (wood/paper) of a rocket that took off to impress people. The rest was filmed in a studio.
And you can prove that statement?  ::)

Well, just examine carefully the footage of the lift offs and come to see me and I will explain the manipulations. I look forward to see you.
I've seen Apollo launch footage many times.  So did most of the world.  Apollo 11's launch was filmed by every major news outlet on the planet, seen and filmed/photographed by tens of thousands or on lookers surrounding the facility.  Amateur astronomers and universities followed the flight into orbit and you really going to say it never happened.

I've seen it many times so what's wrong with it...(he asks knowing he'll probably regret it)

Mike 
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: onebigmonkey on June 29, 2017, 09:02:53 AM
Heiwa should explain the 'manipulations' here, or just admit he's a lying ignorant fraud.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on June 29, 2017, 09:06:18 AM
Heiwa should explain the 'manipulations' here, or just admit he's a lying ignorant fraud.
Ignorant fraud or consummate troll?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on June 29, 2017, 09:08:11 AM
Ignorant fraud or consummate troll?


Grand Manipulator
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 29, 2017, 09:31:05 AM
LOL - a space trip starts a 0 speed on Earth and ends at 0 speed on Earth and in the meantime you must stop and start at the target of the trip, e.g. the Moon. I clearly show at my web site that you cannot carry the fuel with you for such a trip...
That's because you fail to understand that NASA doesn't use just one rocket for these trips.  For the Apollo missions, NASA used 6 rockets for the trip.  The Saturn V first, second and third stages, the service module, lunar module ascent and descent stages were all individual rockets that had their own fuel supplies.  Each rocket only needed to carry enough fuel to carry out its specific part of the mission.
Yes, I know! See http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm .

It was a very heavy solution that never could lift off the ground.
Evidently it could because many thousands of people witnessed it lifting off the ground a number of times.
and still others saw it in orbit and/or witnessed the TLI burn.

LOL - it was an empty mockup (wood/paper) of a rocket that took off to impress people. The rest was filmed in a studio.
And you can prove that statement?  ::)

Well, just examine carefully the footage of the lift offs and come to see me and I will explain the manipulations. I look forward to see you.
I've seen Apollo launch footage many times.  So did most of the world.  Apollo 11's launch was filmed by every major news outlet on the planet, seen and filmed/photographed by tens of thousands or on lookers surrounding the facility.  Amateur astronomers and universities followed the flight into orbit and you really going to say it never happened.

I've seen it many times so what's wrong with it...(he asks knowing he'll probably regret it)

Mike

Well, to be honest. You just watched faked footage and were fooled by it. You are not alone. At my popular web site I explain how and why you were fooled. Study it again. It doesn't cost anything except your time. I am not in the conspiracy business. I work with safety at sea. http://heiwaco.com
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on June 29, 2017, 09:34:37 AM
I work with safety at sea.

(http://i.imgur.com/XfRsug6.jpg)
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on June 29, 2017, 10:25:53 AM

LOL - it was an empty mockup (wood/paper) of a rocket that took off to impress people. The rest was filmed in a studio.
And you can prove that statement?  ::)

Well, just examine carefully the footage of the lift offs and come to see me and I will explain the manipulations. I look forward to see you.
I've seen Apollo launch footage many times.  So did most of the world.  Apollo 11's launch was filmed by every major news outlet on the planet, seen and filmed/photographed by tens of thousands or on lookers surrounding the facility.  Amateur astronomers and universities followed the flight into orbit and you really going to say it never happened.

I've seen it many times so what's wrong with it...(he asks knowing he'll probably regret it)

Mike

Well, to be honest. You just watched faked footage and were fooled by it. You are not alone. At my popular web site I explain how and why you were fooled. Study it again. It doesn't cost anything except your time. I am not in the conspiracy business. I work with safety at sea. http://heiwaco.com
I did read it and everything you have is unfounded with not corroboration so I discount all of it until you can provide proof.  I asked you what’s wrong with it and once again you ignore the question.

BTW, saying a government is faking space travel, shooting launches and moon landings on a sound stage, and covering it all up is the very definition of a conspiracy theory so yes, you are in the conspiracy business even if you won’t admit it.

Prove its all fake footage.  Otherwise it’s real and you’re fake.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 29, 2017, 10:29:18 AM

LOL - it was an empty mockup (wood/paper) of a rocket that took off to impress people. The rest was filmed in a studio.
And you can prove that statement?  ::)

Well, just examine carefully the footage of the lift offs and come to see me and I will explain the manipulations. I look forward to see you.
I've seen Apollo launch footage many times.  So did most of the world.  Apollo 11's launch was filmed by every major news outlet on the planet, seen and filmed/photographed by tens of thousands or on lookers surrounding the facility.  Amateur astronomers and universities followed the flight into orbit and you really going to say it never happened.

I've seen it many times so what's wrong with it...(he asks knowing he'll probably regret it)

Mike

Well, to be honest. You just watched faked footage and were fooled by it. You are not alone. At my popular web site I explain how and why you were fooled. Study it again. It doesn't cost anything except your time. I am not in the conspiracy business. I work with safety at sea. http://heiwaco.com
I did read it and everything you have is unfounded with not corroboration so I discount all of it until you can provide proof.  I asked you what’s wrong with it and once again you ignore the question.

BTW, saying a government is faking space travel, shooting launches and moon landings on a sound stage, and covering it all up is the very definition of a conspiracy theory so yes, you are in the conspiracy business even if you won’t admit it.

Prove its all fake footage.  Otherwise it’s real and you’re fake.

Mike
Well, I am not in the conspiracy business. My biz is safety at sea. What is yours? You sound like a stupid, idiotic shill paid little. Introduce yourself. You have a name. Parents? You pay taxes? Prove it.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on June 29, 2017, 10:30:31 AM
Why do you have to be so arrogant and obnoxious in your post? Does it make you happy?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on June 29, 2017, 10:59:01 AM
LOL - a space trip starts a 0 speed on Earth and ends at 0 speed on Earth and in the meantime you must stop and start at the target of the trip, e.g. the Moon. I clearly show at my web site that you cannot carry the fuel with you for such a trip...
That's because you fail to understand that NASA doesn't use just one rocket for these trips.  For the Apollo missions, NASA used 6 rockets for the trip.  The Saturn V first, second and third stages, the service module, lunar module ascent and descent stages were all individual rockets that had their own fuel supplies.  Each rocket only needed to carry enough fuel to carry out its specific part of the mission.
Yes, I know! See http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm .

It was a very heavy solution that never could lift off the ground.
Evidently it could because many thousands of people witnessed it lifting off the ground a number of times.
and still others saw it in orbit and/or witnessed the TLI burn.

LOL - it was an empty mockup (wood/paper) of a rocket that took off to impress people. The rest was filmed in a studio.

Prove it and I pay you 1M€. So far no one has won my challenge. This proves that you are wrong!
Pls provide a link to your challenge with all details about it + your full style + bank details, so I can collect the money.
You have never provided bank details.  Nor have you ever proceeded any evidence to support your claims.  More failure.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on June 29, 2017, 11:02:12 AM

LOL - it was an empty mockup (wood/paper) of a rocket that took off to impress people. The rest was filmed in a studio.
And you can prove that statement?  ::)

Well, just examine carefully the footage of the lift offs and come to see me and I will explain the manipulations. I look forward to see you.
I've seen Apollo launch footage many times.  So did most of the world.  Apollo 11's launch was filmed by every major news outlet on the planet, seen and filmed/photographed by tens of thousands or on lookers surrounding the facility.  Amateur astronomers and universities followed the flight into orbit and you really going to say it never happened.

I've seen it many times so what's wrong with it...(he asks knowing he'll probably regret it)

Mike

Well, to be honest. You just watched faked footage and were fooled by it. You are not alone. At my popular web site I explain how and why you were fooled. Study it again. It doesn't cost anything except your time. I am not in the conspiracy business. I work with safety at sea. http://heiwaco.com
I did read it and everything you have is unfounded with not corroboration so I discount all of it until you can provide proof.  I asked you what’s wrong with it and once again you ignore the question.

BTW, saying a government is faking space travel, shooting launches and moon landings on a sound stage, and covering it all up is the very definition of a conspiracy theory so yes, you are in the conspiracy business even if you won’t admit it.

Prove its all fake footage.  Otherwise it’s real and you’re fake.

Mike
Well, I am not in the conspiracy business. My biz is safety at sea. What is yours? You sound like a stupid, idiotic shill paid little. Introduce yourself. You have a name. Parents? You pay taxes? Prove it.
He is asking you to provide the proof you claim you have.  Why can't you do that?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on June 29, 2017, 11:02:50 AM

LOL - it was an empty mockup (wood/paper) of a rocket that took off to impress people. The rest was filmed in a studio.
And you can prove that statement?  ::)

Well, just examine carefully the footage of the lift offs and come to see me and I will explain the manipulations. I look forward to see you.
I've seen Apollo launch footage many times.  So did most of the world.  Apollo 11's launch was filmed by every major news outlet on the planet, seen and filmed/photographed by tens of thousands or on lookers surrounding the facility.  Amateur astronomers and universities followed the flight into orbit and you really going to say it never happened.

I've seen it many times so what's wrong with it...(he asks knowing he'll probably regret it)

Mike

Well, to be honest. You just watched faked footage and were fooled by it. You are not alone. At my popular web site I explain how and why you were fooled. Study it again. It doesn't cost anything except your time. I am not in the conspiracy business. I work with safety at sea. http://heiwaco.com
I did read it and everything you have is unfounded with not corroboration so I discount all of it until you can provide proof.  I asked you what’s wrong with it and once again you ignore the question.

BTW, saying a government is faking space travel, shooting launches and moon landings on a sound stage, and covering it all up is the very definition of a conspiracy theory so yes, you are in the conspiracy business even if you won’t admit it.

Prove its all fake footage.  Otherwise it’s real and you’re fake.

Mike
Well, I am not in the conspiracy business. My biz is safety at sea. What is yours? You sound like a stupid, idiotic shill paid little. Introduce yourself. You have a name. Parents? You pay taxes? Prove it.
You can’t answer the question so you attack the poster.  Typical troll behavior.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on June 29, 2017, 01:17:36 PM
He is asking you to provide the proof you claim you have.  Why can't you do that?
Because he thinks that his "popular" web site is all the evidence that anyone would need.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on June 29, 2017, 01:26:32 PM
He is asking you to provide the proof you claim you have.  Why can't you do that?
Because he thinks that his "popular" web site is all the evidence that anyone would need.
Except I asked him a question not answered on his site, provided some proof to the contrary to his claim and he still refused to answer.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: frenat on June 29, 2017, 01:57:43 PM
He is asking you to provide the proof you claim you have.  Why can't you do that?
Because he thinks that his "popular" web site is all the evidence that anyone would need.
Except I asked him a question not answered on his site, provided some proof to the contrary to his claim and he still refused to answer.
Because he is senile and a troll.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 29, 2017, 06:02:50 PM
He is asking you to provide the proof you claim you have.  Why can't you do that?
Because he thinks that his "popular" web site is all the evidence that anyone would need.
Except I asked him a question not answered on his site, provided some proof to the contrary to his claim and he still refused to answer.

Can you repeat the question that was left unattended.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on June 29, 2017, 06:22:11 PM
He is asking you to provide the proof you claim you have.  Why can't you do that?
Because he thinks that his "popular" web site is all the evidence that anyone would need.
Except I asked him a question not answered on his site, provided some proof to the contrary to his claim and he still refused to answer.

Can you repeat the question that was left unattended.
It was in the atomic bomb thread.  I asked you why fast fission was impossible and you never answered the question.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 29, 2017, 10:46:27 PM
He is asking you to provide the proof you claim you have.  Why can't you do that?
Because he thinks that his "popular" web site is all the evidence that anyone would need.
Except I asked him a question not answered on his site, provided some proof to the contrary to his claim and he still refused to answer.

Can you repeat the question that was left unattended.
It was in the atomic bomb thread.  I asked you why fast fission was impossible and you never answered the question.

But I do reply to all questions. Military, instantaneous, nano-seconds, FLASH fission releasing a-bomb radiation in the atmosphere is stupid propaganda to scare people. Fission doesn't work like that!

It is similar to topic here about travel in space Universe. Any trip in space is always one-way as you cannot carry the fuel with you for stopping, landing, re-starting and returning to Earth. That's the main reason why no humans have ever been in space starting with Yuri Gagarin. It was just propaganda, too.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on June 30, 2017, 01:56:30 AM
He is asking you to provide the proof you claim you have.  Why can't you do that?
Because he thinks that his "popular" web site is all the evidence that anyone would need.
Except I asked him a question not answered on his site, provided some proof to the contrary to his claim and he still refused to answer.

Can you repeat the question that was left unattended.
It was in the atomic bomb thread.  I asked you why fast fission was impossible and you never answered the question.

But I do reply to all questions. Military, instantaneous, nano-seconds, FLASH fission releasing a-bomb radiation in the atmosphere is stupid propaganda to scare people. Fission doesn't work like that!

It is similar to topic here about travel in space Universe. Any trip in space is always one-way as you cannot carry the fuel with you for stopping, landing, re-starting and returning to Earth. That's the main reason why no humans have ever been in space starting with Yuri Gagarin. It was just propaganda, too.
Saying fission doesn’t work like that isn’t the answer to the question.  The question was why doesn’t it work like that.  But, that’s a topic for the other thread. 

More to this topic of this thread you said “just examine carefully the footage of the lift offs and come to see me and I will explain the manipulations.”

Well I watched all the footage and then asked you what’s wrong with it and you, once again, didn’t answer the question.  You actually told me you would explain the manipulation so I’m asking you one more time explain it.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 30, 2017, 03:41:06 AM

Saying fission doesn’t work like that isn’t the answer to the question.  The question was why doesn’t it work like that.  But, that’s a topic for the other thread. 

More to this topic of this thread you said “just examine carefully the footage of the lift offs and come to see me and I will explain the manipulations.”

Well I watched all the footage and then asked you what’s wrong with it and you, once again, didn’t answer the question.  You actually told me you would explain the manipulation so I’m asking you one more time explain it.

Mike

Re military instant FLASH fission - it is just propaganda as explained in another thread and at my web site.

Re lift offs of space crafts - take the 100+ US Space Shuttles lifting off. Each has a mass of 100 tons and is connected to a big fuel tank and two small rockets. And off it goes. According to basic rocket science it is too heavy to lift off but off it goes. My conclusion is that the Shuttle is a 1 ton paper/plywood mock-up, etc, etc. It is confirmed when you study the re-entries of the Shuttles. All fake too. I describe it at my web site.

No human has ever been in space. All rocket launches are one-way trips only. Basic. Just because you see a film of a rocket lift off doesn't mean that it is a real spacecraft.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on June 30, 2017, 04:51:51 AM

Saying fission doesn’t work like that isn’t the answer to the question.  The question was why doesn’t it work like that.  But, that’s a topic for the other thread. 

More to this topic of this thread you said “just examine carefully the footage of the lift offs and come to see me and I will explain the manipulations.”

Well I watched all the footage and then asked you what’s wrong with it and you, once again, didn’t answer the question.  You actually told me you would explain the manipulation so I’m asking you one more time explain it.

Mike

Re military instant FLASH fission - it is just propaganda as explained in another thread and at my web site.

Re lift offs of space crafts - take the 100+ US Space Shuttles lifting off. Each has a mass of 100 tons and is connected to a big fuel tank and two small rockets. And off it goes. According to basic rocket science it is too heavy to lift off but off it goes. My conclusion is that the Shuttle is a 1 ton paper/plywood mock-up, etc, etc. It is confirmed when you study the re-entries of the Shuttles. All fake too. I describe it at my web site.

No human has ever been in space. All rocket launches are one-way trips only. Basic. Just because you see a film of a rocket lift off doesn't mean that it is a real spacecraft.
You still haven't answered.  Just claiming it is fake isn't an answer.  Prove it.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 30, 2017, 05:13:06 AM

Saying fission doesn’t work like that isn’t the answer to the question.  The question was why doesn’t it work like that.  But, that’s a topic for the other thread. 

More to this topic of this thread you said “just examine carefully the footage of the lift offs and come to see me and I will explain the manipulations.”

Well I watched all the footage and then asked you what’s wrong with it and you, once again, didn’t answer the question.  You actually told me you would explain the manipulation so I’m asking you one more time explain it.

Mike

Re military instant FLASH fission - it is just propaganda as explained in another thread and at my web site.

Re lift offs of space crafts - take the 100+ US Space Shuttles lifting off. Each has a mass of 100 tons and is connected to a big fuel tank and two small rockets. And off it goes. According to basic rocket science it is too heavy to lift off but off it goes. My conclusion is that the Shuttle is a 1 ton paper/plywood mock-up, etc, etc. It is confirmed when you study the re-entries of the Shuttles. All fake too. I describe it at my web site.

No human has ever been in space. All rocket launches are one-way trips only. Basic. Just because you see a film of a rocket lift off doesn't mean that it is a real spacecraft.
You still haven't answered.  Just claiming it is fake isn't an answer.  Prove it.
?? Of course I answer all questions. The explanations are then at my web site http://heiwaco.com . Many persons suffering from cognitive dissonance cannot accept it and ask me to prove it ... even if the answer is right in front of them. 
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on June 30, 2017, 06:53:43 AM

Saying fission doesn’t work like that isn’t the answer to the question.  The question was why doesn’t it work like that.  But, that’s a topic for the other thread. 

More to this topic of this thread you said “just examine carefully the footage of the lift offs and come to see me and I will explain the manipulations.”

Well I watched all the footage and then asked you what’s wrong with it and you, once again, didn’t answer the question.  You actually told me you would explain the manipulation so I’m asking you one more time explain it.

Mike

Re military instant FLASH fission - it is just propaganda as explained in another thread and at my web site.

Re lift offs of space crafts - take the 100+ US Space Shuttles lifting off. Each has a mass of 100 tons and is connected to a big fuel tank and two small rockets. And off it goes. According to basic rocket science it is too heavy to lift off but off it goes. My conclusion is that the Shuttle is a 1 ton paper/plywood mock-up, etc, etc. It is confirmed when you study the re-entries of the Shuttles. All fake too. I describe it at my web site.

No human has ever been in space. All rocket launches are one-way trips only. Basic. Just because you see a film of a rocket lift off doesn't mean that it is a real spacecraft.
You still haven't answered.  Just claiming it is fake isn't an answer.  Prove it.
?? Of course I answer all questions. The explanations are then at my web site http://heiwaco.com . Many persons suffering from cognitive dissonance cannot accept it and ask me to prove it ... even if the answer is right in front of them.
More failure.  Show your proof here.  But you can't can you? 
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 30, 2017, 07:54:25 AM

Saying fission doesn’t work like that isn’t the answer to the question.  The question was why doesn’t it work like that.  But, that’s a topic for the other thread. 

More to this topic of this thread you said “just examine carefully the footage of the lift offs and come to see me and I will explain the manipulations.”

Well I watched all the footage and then asked you what’s wrong with it and you, once again, didn’t answer the question.  You actually told me you would explain the manipulation so I’m asking you one more time explain it.

Mike

Re military instant FLASH fission - it is just propaganda as explained in another thread and at my web site.

Re lift offs of space crafts - take the 100+ US Space Shuttles lifting off. Each has a mass of 100 tons and is connected to a big fuel tank and two small rockets. And off it goes. According to basic rocket science it is too heavy to lift off but off it goes. My conclusion is that the Shuttle is a 1 ton paper/plywood mock-up, etc, etc. It is confirmed when you study the re-entries of the Shuttles. All fake too. I describe it at my web site.

No human has ever been in space. All rocket launches are one-way trips only. Basic. Just because you see a film of a rocket lift off doesn't mean that it is a real spacecraft.
You still haven't answered.  Just claiming it is fake isn't an answer.  Prove it.
?? Of course I answer all questions. The explanations are then at my web site http://heiwaco.com . Many persons suffering from cognitive dissonance cannot accept it and ask me to prove it ... even if the answer is right in front of them.
More failure.  Show your proof here.  But you can't can you?
Hm, I show my proof at my web site. It is much easier.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on June 30, 2017, 08:14:13 AM

Saying fission doesn’t work like that isn’t the answer to the question.  The question was why doesn’t it work like that.  But, that’s a topic for the other thread. 

More to this topic of this thread you said “just examine carefully the footage of the lift offs and come to see me and I will explain the manipulations.”

Well I watched all the footage and then asked you what’s wrong with it and you, once again, didn’t answer the question.  You actually told me you would explain the manipulation so I’m asking you one more time explain it.

Mike

Re military instant FLASH fission - it is just propaganda as explained in another thread and at my web site.

Re lift offs of space crafts - take the 100+ US Space Shuttles lifting off. Each has a mass of 100 tons and is connected to a big fuel tank and two small rockets. And off it goes. According to basic rocket science it is too heavy to lift off but off it goes. My conclusion is that the Shuttle is a 1 ton paper/plywood mock-up, etc, etc. It is confirmed when you study the re-entries of the Shuttles. All fake too. I describe it at my web site.

No human has ever been in space. All rocket launches are one-way trips only. Basic. Just because you see a film of a rocket lift off doesn't mean that it is a real spacecraft.
You still haven't answered.  Just claiming it is fake isn't an answer.  Prove it.
?? Of course I answer all questions. The explanations are then at my web site http://heiwaco.com . Many persons suffering from cognitive dissonance cannot accept it and ask me to prove it ... even if the answer is right in front of them.
More failure.  Show your proof here.  But you can't can you?
Hm, I show my proof at my web site. It is much easier.
Your website doesn't show how the videos were faked nor do they say what was manipulated.  Therefore you must answer my question here because your site doesn't.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 30, 2017, 08:35:23 AM

Saying fission doesn’t work like that isn’t the answer to the question.  The question was why doesn’t it work like that.  But, that’s a topic for the other thread. 

More to this topic of this thread you said “just examine carefully the footage of the lift offs and come to see me and I will explain the manipulations.”

Well I watched all the footage and then asked you what’s wrong with it and you, once again, didn’t answer the question.  You actually told me you would explain the manipulation so I’m asking you one more time explain it.

Mike

Re military instant FLASH fission - it is just propaganda as explained in another thread and at my web site.

Re lift offs of space crafts - take the 100+ US Space Shuttles lifting off. Each has a mass of 100 tons and is connected to a big fuel tank and two small rockets. And off it goes. According to basic rocket science it is too heavy to lift off but off it goes. My conclusion is that the Shuttle is a 1 ton paper/plywood mock-up, etc, etc. It is confirmed when you study the re-entries of the Shuttles. All fake too. I describe it at my web site.

No human has ever been in space. All rocket launches are one-way trips only. Basic. Just because you see a film of a rocket lift off doesn't mean that it is a real spacecraft.
You still haven't answered.  Just claiming it is fake isn't an answer.  Prove it.
?? Of course I answer all questions. The explanations are then at my web site http://heiwaco.com . Many persons suffering from cognitive dissonance cannot accept it and ask me to prove it ... even if the answer is right in front of them.
More failure.  Show your proof here.  But you can't can you?
Hm, I show my proof at my web site. It is much easier.
Your website doesn't show how the videos were faked nor do they say what was manipulated.  Therefore you must answer my question here because your site doesn't.

Mike

Sorry, my web site is very clear and explains everything and then you have think a little. Example - can a 100 tons US Space Shuttle lift off as shown on all available footage?

How does the 100 tons lift off? It is attached to a big, rusty fuel tank with some rockets connected to it. The whole thing is a big joke. Only idiots like you believe it ... and anything. I am sorry, that I cannot help you further. I assume you are sick. Cognitive dissonance!

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on June 30, 2017, 09:00:36 AM

Saying fission doesn’t work like that isn’t the answer to the question.  The question was why doesn’t it work like that.  But, that’s a topic for the other thread. 

More to this topic of this thread you said “just examine carefully the footage of the lift offs and come to see me and I will explain the manipulations.”

Well I watched all the footage and then asked you what’s wrong with it and you, once again, didn’t answer the question.  You actually told me you would explain the manipulation so I’m asking you one more time explain it.

Mike

Re military instant FLASH fission - it is just propaganda as explained in another thread and at my web site.

Re lift offs of space crafts - take the 100+ US Space Shuttles lifting off. Each has a mass of 100 tons and is connected to a big fuel tank and two small rockets. And off it goes. According to basic rocket science it is too heavy to lift off but off it goes. My conclusion is that the Shuttle is a 1 ton paper/plywood mock-up, etc, etc. It is confirmed when you study the re-entries of the Shuttles. All fake too. I describe it at my web site.

No human has ever been in space. All rocket launches are one-way trips only. Basic. Just because you see a film of a rocket lift off doesn't mean that it is a real spacecraft.
You still haven't answered.  Just claiming it is fake isn't an answer.  Prove it.
?? Of course I answer all questions. The explanations are then at my web site http://heiwaco.com . Many persons suffering from cognitive dissonance cannot accept it and ask me to prove it ... even if the answer is right in front of them.
More failure.  Show your proof here.  But you can't can you?
Hm, I show my proof at my web site. It is much easier.
That's a lie.  You only make empty claims.  That's why you're afraid to even attempt to show any evidence here.  You're a coward and a failure.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on June 30, 2017, 09:09:01 AM

Saying fission doesn’t work like that isn’t the answer to the question.  The question was why doesn’t it work like that.  But, that’s a topic for the other thread. 

More to this topic of this thread you said “just examine carefully the footage of the lift offs and come to see me and I will explain the manipulations.”

Well I watched all the footage and then asked you what’s wrong with it and you, once again, didn’t answer the question.  You actually told me you would explain the manipulation so I’m asking you one more time explain it.

Mike

Re military instant FLASH fission - it is just propaganda as explained in another thread and at my web site.

Re lift offs of space crafts - take the 100+ US Space Shuttles lifting off. Each has a mass of 100 tons and is connected to a big fuel tank and two small rockets. And off it goes. According to basic rocket science it is too heavy to lift off but off it goes. My conclusion is that the Shuttle is a 1 ton paper/plywood mock-up, etc, etc. It is confirmed when you study the re-entries of the Shuttles. All fake too. I describe it at my web site.

No human has ever been in space. All rocket launches are one-way trips only. Basic. Just because you see a film of a rocket lift off doesn't mean that it is a real spacecraft.
You still haven't answered.  Just claiming it is fake isn't an answer.  Prove it.
?? Of course I answer all questions. The explanations are then at my web site http://heiwaco.com . Many persons suffering from cognitive dissonance cannot accept it and ask me to prove it ... even if the answer is right in front of them.
More failure.  Show your proof here.  But you can't can you?
Hm, I show my proof at my web site. It is much easier.
Your website doesn't show how the videos were faked nor do they say what was manipulated.  Therefore you must answer my question here because your site doesn't.

Mike

Sorry, my web site is very clear and explains everything and then you have think a little. Example - can a 100 tons US Space Shuttle lift off as shown on all available footage?

How does the 100 tons lift off? It is attached to a big, rusty fuel tank with some rockets connected to it. The whole thing is a big joke. Only idiots like you believe it ... and anything. I am sorry, that I cannot help you further. I assume you are sick. Cognitive dissonance!
Yes it can.  I’ve seen it.  When I was stationed in Orlando we were given a tour of the launch facility days before the launch.  I saW the launch vehicle and I can tell you it wasn’t a wooden mockup.  Back in the early eighties those launches were a big deal with the locals in Florida.  They would line up and even campout to watch the shuttle travel from the building to launch pad.  Then they’d have a party to watch the launch...which I have seen with my own two eyes.  Once from Orlando and once from the Cape.  It isn't possible to hide a full size wooden mockup and then swap it for the real thing to be moved out the launch pad.  Now if you have proof that's what actually happened I'd love to see it but alas, all your website has are claims it happened with no proof.

Nice try with the personal attacks but I’m not gonna take that bate.  You know who else often engages in personal attacks. Trolls. That’s who.

BTW, your use of the rocket equation on your website is incorrect.  It’s the simplified form and not applicable to how you applied it.  Since you’re an engineer I would have thought you'd have taken that into account.  I guess not.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 30, 2017, 09:12:08 AM

Saying fission doesn’t work like that isn’t the answer to the question.  The question was why doesn’t it work like that.  But, that’s a topic for the other thread. 

More to this topic of this thread you said “just examine carefully the footage of the lift offs and come to see me and I will explain the manipulations.”

Well I watched all the footage and then asked you what’s wrong with it and you, once again, didn’t answer the question.  You actually told me you would explain the manipulation so I’m asking you one more time explain it.

Mike

Re military instant FLASH fission - it is just propaganda as explained in another thread and at my web site.

Re lift offs of space crafts - take the 100+ US Space Shuttles lifting off. Each has a mass of 100 tons and is connected to a big fuel tank and two small rockets. And off it goes. According to basic rocket science it is too heavy to lift off but off it goes. My conclusion is that the Shuttle is a 1 ton paper/plywood mock-up, etc, etc. It is confirmed when you study the re-entries of the Shuttles. All fake too. I describe it at my web site.

No human has ever been in space. All rocket launches are one-way trips only. Basic. Just because you see a film of a rocket lift off doesn't mean that it is a real spacecraft.
You still haven't answered.  Just claiming it is fake isn't an answer.  Prove it.
?? Of course I answer all questions. The explanations are then at my web site http://heiwaco.com . Many persons suffering from cognitive dissonance cannot accept it and ask me to prove it ... even if the answer is right in front of them.
More failure.  Show your proof here.  But you can't can you?
Hm, I show my proof at my web site. It is much easier.
That's a lie.  You only make empty claims.  That's why you're afraid to even attempt to show any evidence here.  You're a coward and a failure.
No, I publish my findings/all evidence under my own name/full style/photo at my web site http://heiwaco.com and invite comments since many years. I tell MSM all the time to take action. I am not a coward. I love to fight for what I believe. I am not a failure. I have good health and am very strong, I am happy, I have plenty money, I have plenty to do, I live in a nice place, I have good friends and plenty to do.
What about you? You sound like a misarable, stinking shitty failure tossed in a gutter. But it is your problem.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on June 30, 2017, 09:18:48 AM

Saying fission doesn’t work like that isn’t the answer to the question.  The question was why doesn’t it work like that.  But, that’s a topic for the other thread. 

More to this topic of this thread you said “just examine carefully the footage of the lift offs and come to see me and I will explain the manipulations.”

Well I watched all the footage and then asked you what’s wrong with it and you, once again, didn’t answer the question.  You actually told me you would explain the manipulation so I’m asking you one more time explain it.

Mike

Re military instant FLASH fission - it is just propaganda as explained in another thread and at my web site.

Re lift offs of space crafts - take the 100+ US Space Shuttles lifting off. Each has a mass of 100 tons and is connected to a big fuel tank and two small rockets. And off it goes. According to basic rocket science it is too heavy to lift off but off it goes. My conclusion is that the Shuttle is a 1 ton paper/plywood mock-up, etc, etc. It is confirmed when you study the re-entries of the Shuttles. All fake too. I describe it at my web site.

No human has ever been in space. All rocket launches are one-way trips only. Basic. Just because you see a film of a rocket lift off doesn't mean that it is a real spacecraft.
You still haven't answered.  Just claiming it is fake isn't an answer.  Prove it.
?? Of course I answer all questions. The explanations are then at my web site http://heiwaco.com . Many persons suffering from cognitive dissonance cannot accept it and ask me to prove it ... even if the answer is right in front of them.
More failure.  Show your proof here.  But you can't can you?
Hm, I show my proof at my web site. It is much easier.
Your website doesn't show how the videos were faked nor do they say what was manipulated.  Therefore you must answer my question here because your site doesn't.

Mike

Sorry, my web site is very clear and explains everything and then you have think a little. Example - can a 100 tons US Space Shuttle lift off as shown on all available footage?

How does the 100 tons lift off? It is attached to a big, rusty fuel tank with some rockets connected to it. The whole thing is a big joke. Only idiots like you believe it ... and anything. I am sorry, that I cannot help you further. I assume you are sick. Cognitive dissonance!
Yes it can.  I’ve seen it.  When I was stationed in Orlando we were given a tour of the launch facility days before the launch.  I saW the launch vehicle and I can tell you it wasn’t a wooden mockup.  Back in the early eighties those launches were a big deal with the locals in Florida.  They would line up and even campout to watch the shuttle travel from the building to launch pad.  Then they’d have a party to watch the launch...which I have seen with my own two eyes.  Once from Orlando and once from the Cape.  It isn't possible to hide a full size wooden mockup and then swap it for the real thing to be moved out the launch pad.  Now if you have proof that's what actually happened I'd love to see it but alas, all your website has are claims it happened with no proof.

Nice try with the personal attacks but I’m not gonna take that bate.  You know who else often engages in personal attacks. Trolls. That’s who.

BTW, your use of the rocket equation on your website is incorrect.  It’s the simplified form and not applicable to how you applied it.  Since you’re an engineer I would have thought you'd have taken that into account.  I guess not.

Mike


LOL. They let you have a look of their wooden mockup 35 years ago? Where were you? Disneyland/world?

But OK, what's wrong with the rocket equation I use? Why is it simplified? And why can't I apply it?

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on June 30, 2017, 11:23:13 AM

Saying fission doesn’t work like that isn’t the answer to the question.  The question was why doesn’t it work like that.  But, that’s a topic for the other thread. 

More to this topic of this thread you said “just examine carefully the footage of the lift offs and come to see me and I will explain the manipulations.”

Well I watched all the footage and then asked you what’s wrong with it and you, once again, didn’t answer the question.  You actually told me you would explain the manipulation so I’m asking you one more time explain it.

Mike

Re military instant FLASH fission - it is just propaganda as explained in another thread and at my web site.

Re lift offs of space crafts - take the 100+ US Space Shuttles lifting off. Each has a mass of 100 tons and is connected to a big fuel tank and two small rockets. And off it goes. According to basic rocket science it is too heavy to lift off but off it goes. My conclusion is that the Shuttle is a 1 ton paper/plywood mock-up, etc, etc. It is confirmed when you study the re-entries of the Shuttles. All fake too. I describe it at my web site.

No human has ever been in space. All rocket launches are one-way trips only. Basic. Just because you see a film of a rocket lift off doesn't mean that it is a real spacecraft.
You still haven't answered.  Just claiming it is fake isn't an answer.  Prove it.
?? Of course I answer all questions. The explanations are then at my web site http://heiwaco.com . Many persons suffering from cognitive dissonance cannot accept it and ask me to prove it ... even if the answer is right in front of them.
More failure.  Show your proof here.  But you can't can you?
Hm, I show my proof at my web site. It is much easier.
That's a lie.  You only make empty claims.  That's why you're afraid to even attempt to show any evidence here.  You're a coward and a failure.
No, I publish my findings/all evidence under my own name/full style/photo at my web site http://heiwaco.com and invite comments since many years. I tell MSM all the time to take action. I am not a coward. I love to fight for what I believe. I am not a failure. I have good health and am very strong, I am happy, I have plenty money, I have plenty to do, I live in a nice place, I have good friends and plenty to do.
What about you? You sound like a misarable, stinking shitty failure tossed in a gutter. But it is your problem.
Prove me wrong, show your evidence here.  Or admit you have nothing.  Because so far you have simply failed miserably.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on June 30, 2017, 12:01:47 PM
Whenever Heiwa is in a corner he start in with the whole "cognitive dissonance" shtick. I think he thinks it makes him sound smart, which is something he desperately needs to do in order to make up for the utter fool he is making of himself in regards to the actual issues under discussion.  ;D
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Dog on June 30, 2017, 12:11:36 PM
"Why doesn't this work?"
Heiwa: "It doesn't work because it doesn't work!"
"What? No, why doesn't it work?"
Heiwa: "Look it just can't work. Also it's on my site."
"We looked at your site. It doesn't say why it doesn't work."
Heiwa: "Mama mia look it just doesn't work! I can't comprehend it, so it doesn't work!"
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Kami on July 01, 2017, 05:17:40 AM
"Why doesn't this work?"
Heiwa: "It doesn't work because it doesn't work!"
"What? No, why doesn't it work?"
Heiwa: "Look it just can't work. Also it's on my site."
"We looked at your site. It doesn't say why it doesn't work."
Heiwa: "Mama mia look it just doesn't work! I can't comprehend it, so it doesn't work!"
You forgot "I am a good looking, nice, humble, intelligent and rich man and you all have cognitive dissonance"
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on July 01, 2017, 10:46:47 AM
"Why doesn't this work?"
Heiwa: "It doesn't work because it doesn't work!"
"What? No, why doesn't it work?"
Heiwa: "Look it just can't work. Also it's on my site."
"We looked at your site. It doesn't say why it doesn't work."
Heiwa: "Mama mia look it just doesn't work! I can't comprehend it, so it doesn't work!"
You forgot "I am a good looking, nice, humble, intelligent and rich man and you all have cognitive dissonance"
I also offer free coffee to all visitors to my office checking my bank accounts.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on July 01, 2017, 08:30:05 PM

I also offer free coffee to all visitors to my office checking my bank accounts.



If you can afford a plane ticket for me, (I'm poor),
I would love to hang out with you for a couple of days.

I have a passport and no obligations.

I don't even want to see your financials.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on July 01, 2017, 08:33:14 PM

I also offer free coffee to all visitors to my office checking my bank accounts.



If you can afford a plane ticket for me, (I'm poor),
I would love to hang out with you for a couple of days.

I have a passport and no obligations.

I don't even want to see your financials.

Ha ha! The Moose outsmarted everyone!

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on July 01, 2017, 08:57:23 PM
Ha ha! The Moose outsmarted everyone!

I'll even offer a free update on his logo and logotype header. A $3000 value.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on July 02, 2017, 06:04:43 AM
Ha ha! The Moose outsmarted everyone!

I'll even offer a free update on his logo and logotype header. A $3000 value.
You look at some logos and you immediately know what that company is about...and then sometimes you're completely confused and think "what the heck is that". The logo consortium plays favoritism.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on July 02, 2017, 07:16:49 AM
While trying to calculate whatever Heiwa wanted me to calculate I found this: https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11fltpln_final_reformat.pdf

It's the entire Apollo 11 flight plan. Heiwa, who apparently is an "expert in orbital mechanics" but probably has no idea how to calculate the Δv for a Hohmann transfer, should have no trouble understanding it. Let's see if he can find anything that doesn't add up or he has objections with in there. It has almost everything.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Kami on July 02, 2017, 07:32:44 AM
While trying to calculate whatever Heiwa wanted me to calculate I found this: https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11fltpln_final_reformat.pdf

It's the entire Apollo 11 flight plan. Heiwa, who apparently is an "expert in orbital mechanics" but probably has no idea how to calculate the Δv for a Hohmann transfer, should have no trouble understanding it. Let's see if he can find anything that doesn't add up or he has objections with in there. It has almost everything.
Well NASA is clearly not proficient in orbital mechanics. If they were as smart as heiwa they would know that delta v is completely irrelevant for fuel consumption.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on July 02, 2017, 07:40:24 AM
Ha ha! The Moose outsmarted everyone!

I'll even offer a free update on his logo and logotype header. A $3000 value.
You look at some logos and you immediately know what that company is about...and then sometimes you're completely confused and think "what the heck is that".


That's why you hire a professional.   ;)
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on July 02, 2017, 07:49:58 AM
Ha ha! The Moose outsmarted everyone!

I'll even offer a free update on his logo and logotype header. A $3000 value.
You look at some logos and you immediately know what that company is about...and then sometimes you're completely confused and think "what the heck is that".


That's why you hire a professional.   ;)
A Logologist.  :)
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on July 02, 2017, 07:57:10 AM
Ha ha! The Moose outsmarted everyone!

I'll even offer a free update on his logo and logotype header. A $3000 value.
You look at some logos and you immediately know what that company is about...and then sometimes you're completely confused and think "what the heck is that".


That's why you hire a professional.   ;)
A Logologist.  :)

Have you copyrighted that yet?   ;D
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on July 02, 2017, 07:58:15 AM
Ha ha! The Moose outsmarted everyone!

I'll even offer a free update on his logo and logotype header. A $3000 value.
You look at some logos and you immediately know what that company is about...and then sometimes you're completely confused and think "what the heck is that".


That's why you hire a professional.   ;)
A Logologist.  :)

Have you copyrighted that yet?   ;D
Nope....all yours. :D
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on July 02, 2017, 08:00:45 AM
Never mind, you used the word in public. You own it.   >:(
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on July 02, 2017, 08:13:44 AM
While trying to calculate whatever Heiwa wanted me to calculate I found this: https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11fltpln_final_reformat.pdf

It's the entire Apollo 11 flight plan. Heiwa, who apparently is an "expert in orbital mechanics" but probably has no idea how to calculate the Δv for a Hohmann transfer, should have no trouble understanding it. Let's see if he can find anything that doesn't add up or he has objections with in there. It has almost everything.

You really should study http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm, where I examine Willy Low's Apollo 11 fantasies in your link.  Nothing adds up. But Willy got away with 1969 but died young later. He was a joke.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on July 02, 2017, 08:15:41 AM
He was a joke.


 ;)
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on July 02, 2017, 09:15:43 AM
While trying to calculate whatever Heiwa wanted me to calculate I found this: https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11fltpln_final_reformat.pdf

It's the entire Apollo 11 flight plan. Heiwa, who apparently is an "expert in orbital mechanics" but probably has no idea how to calculate the Δv for a Hohmann transfer, should have no trouble understanding it. Let's see if he can find anything that doesn't add up or he has objections with in there. It has almost everything.

You really should study http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm, where I examine Willy Low's Apollo 11 fantasies in your link.  Nothing adds up. But Willy got away with 1969 but died young later. He was a joke.
Mr. Pot meet Mr. Kettle. 
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: onebigmonkey on July 02, 2017, 11:06:06 AM
While trying to calculate whatever Heiwa wanted me to calculate I found this: https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11fltpln_final_reformat.pdf

It's the entire Apollo 11 flight plan. Heiwa, who apparently is an "expert in orbital mechanics" but probably has no idea how to calculate the Δv for a Hohmann transfer, should have no trouble understanding it. Let's see if he can find anything that doesn't add up or he has objections with in there. It has almost everything.

He won't read any of that, neither will he pay attention to any of this 1966 document that explains a lot of the methodology for getting to the moon in detail:

https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/LunarLandingMIssionSymposium1966_1978075303.pdf

Why won't he? Because he's a liar, a fraud and an idiot.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Denspressure on July 02, 2017, 03:19:28 PM
While trying to calculate whatever Heiwa wanted me to calculate I found this: https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11fltpln_final_reformat.pdf

It's the entire Apollo 11 flight plan. Heiwa, who apparently is an "expert in orbital mechanics" but probably has no idea how to calculate the Δv for a Hohmann transfer, should have no trouble understanding it. Let's see if he can find anything that doesn't add up or he has objections with in there. It has almost everything.

He won't read any of that, neither will he pay attention to any of this 1966 document that explains a lot of the methodology for getting to the moon in detail:

https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/LunarLandingMIssionSymposium1966_1978075303.pdf

Why won't he? Because he's a liar, a fraud and an idiot.
But he does have a rocking body.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on July 02, 2017, 04:33:41 PM
While trying to calculate whatever Heiwa wanted me to calculate I found this: https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11fltpln_final_reformat.pdf

It's the entire Apollo 11 flight plan. Heiwa, who apparently is an "expert in orbital mechanics" but probably has no idea how to calculate the Δv for a Hohmann transfer, should have no trouble understanding it. Let's see if he can find anything that doesn't add up or he has objections with in there. It has almost everything.

He won't read any of that, neither will he pay attention to any of this 1966 document that explains a lot of the methodology for getting to the moon in detail:

https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/LunarLandingMIssionSymposium1966_1978075303.pdf

Why won't he? Because he's a liar, a fraud and an idiot.

The alternative is that the link is just garbage propaganda fantasies produced by Willy Low. Poor Willy, working as a liar for NASA! What a fraud and an idiot.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on July 02, 2017, 06:08:14 PM
While trying to calculate whatever Heiwa wanted me to calculate I found this: https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11fltpln_final_reformat.pdf

It's the entire Apollo 11 flight plan. Heiwa, who apparently is an "expert in orbital mechanics" but probably has no idea how to calculate the Δv for a Hohmann transfer, should have no trouble understanding it. Let's see if he can find anything that doesn't add up or he has objections with in there. It has almost everything.

He won't read any of that, neither will he pay attention to any of this 1966 document that explains a lot of the methodology for getting to the moon in detail:

https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/LunarLandingMIssionSymposium1966_1978075303.pdf

Why won't he? Because he's a liar, a fraud and an idiot.

The alternative is that the link is just garbage propaganda fantasies produced by Willy Low. Poor Willy, working as a liar for NASA! What a fraud and an idiot.
Then prove it.  Here, not on that pathetic website of yours.
But of course you are only a lying failure so you never will.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: disputeone on July 02, 2017, 06:31:28 PM
While trying to calculate whatever Heiwa wanted me to calculate I found this: https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11fltpln_final_reformat.pdf

It's the entire Apollo 11 flight plan. Heiwa, who apparently is an "expert in orbital mechanics" but probably has no idea how to calculate the Δv for a Hohmann transfer, should have no trouble understanding it. Let's see if he can find anything that doesn't add up or he has objections with in there. It has almost everything.

You really should study http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm, where I examine Willy Low's Apollo 11 fantasies in your link.  Nothing adds up. But Willy got away with 1969 but died young later. He was a joke.

Use the archive.
http://archive.is/tjRsk
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: onebigmonkey on July 02, 2017, 11:00:43 PM
While trying to calculate whatever Heiwa wanted me to calculate I found this: https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11fltpln_final_reformat.pdf

It's the entire Apollo 11 flight plan. Heiwa, who apparently is an "expert in orbital mechanics" but probably has no idea how to calculate the Δv for a Hohmann transfer, should have no trouble understanding it. Let's see if he can find anything that doesn't add up or he has objections with in there. It has almost everything.

You really should study <some shitty website>, where I examine Willy Low's Apollo 11 fantasies in your link.  Nothing adds up. But Willy got away with 1969 but died young later. He was a joke.

Use the archive.
http://archive.is/tjRsk

It is an excellent way of finding out that his page on Apollo is still riddled with plenty lies and basic mistakes that anyone could correct with a few seconds of research despite having had them pointed out to him.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: disputeone on July 02, 2017, 11:21:44 PM
I'm not sure why you guys spend so much time arguing with him. Still, how he continues pushing false info and half truths makes me very wary of him indeed.

No actual free thinker is being duped by his website, that's for sure. The guys that parrot his stuff are... well... I haven't met one yet.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on July 03, 2017, 02:10:27 AM
While trying to calculate whatever Heiwa wanted me to calculate I found this: https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11fltpln_final_reformat.pdf

It's the entire Apollo 11 flight plan. Heiwa, who apparently is an "expert in orbital mechanics" but probably has no idea how to calculate the Δv for a Hohmann transfer, should have no trouble understanding it. Let's see if he can find anything that doesn't add up or he has objections with in there. It has almost everything.

You really should study http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm, where I examine Willy Low's Apollo 11 fantasies in your link.  Nothing adds up. But Willy got away with 1969 but died young later. He was a joke.

Yeah, I open it and the first thing I see is urine valves and your obsession with piss. I went to the part you talk about fuel and all I see is confused ramblings of an old curmudgeon. I don't think I saw a single use of the rocket equation. You mostly just state things and then say it's impossible. Actually it's very hard to understand what the point you're trying to make is. First there is a confusing paragraph where you whine about discrepancies in your sources (only the link to your first source doesn't lead anywhere), and then you state that the spacecraft can't carry the fuel needed, without showing any calculations. Then you give various percentages (?) of velocities that are just plain confusing, you talk a lot about Lagrange points for unknown reasons, you fail to understand how spaceships steer in space, you promise a calculation showing that the fuel is not enough but you never give it, and then you talk about some unspecified simulation you made (which is probably bullshit). So everything in it is useless.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on July 03, 2017, 03:32:58 AM
While trying to calculate whatever Heiwa wanted me to calculate I found this: https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11fltpln_final_reformat.pdf

It's the entire Apollo 11 flight plan. Heiwa, who apparently is an "expert in orbital mechanics" but probably has no idea how to calculate the Δv for a Hohmann transfer, should have no trouble understanding it. Let's see if he can find anything that doesn't add up or he has objections with in there. It has almost everything.

You really should study http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm, where I examine Willy Low's Apollo 11 fantasies in your link.  Nothing adds up. But Willy got away with 1969 but died young later. He was a joke.

Yeah, I open it and the first thing I see is urine valves and your obsession with piss. I went to the part you talk about fuel and all I see is confused ramblings of an old curmudgeon. I don't think I saw a single use of the rocket equation. You mostly just state things and then say it's impossible. Actually it's very hard to understand what the point you're trying to make is. First there is a confusing paragraph where you whine about discrepancies in your sources (only the link to your first source doesn't lead anywhere), and then you state that the spacecraft can't carry the fuel needed, without showing any calculations. Then you give various percentages (?) of velocities that are just plain confusing, you talk a lot about Lagrange points for unknown reasons, you fail to understand how spaceships steer in space, you promise a calculation showing that the fuel is not enough but you never give it, and then you talk about some unspecified simulation you made (which is probably bullshit). So everything in it is useless.

Piss? Sanitary facilities, pls. I work in shipping since 1966 and passengers, staff and crews on our seagoing ships need sanitary facilities. And when the ships get old the sanitary facilities starts to fail and ... I am called in to solve the problems. Nobody likes a ship with the top of the double bottom full of shit. I have fixed plenty such problems. It is part of my job.

Re fuel required by a spacecraft for a return trip to the Moon and Mars through the Universe, I explain the problem at my website. You get too heavy just to take off from Earth! You cannot start! So you do not need any sanitary facilities in space.
 
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: frenat on July 03, 2017, 05:01:09 AM
Piss? Sanitary facilities, pls. I work in shipping since 1966 and passengers, staff and crews on our seagoing ships need sanitary facilities. And when the ships get old the sanitary facilities starts to fail and ... I am called in to solve the problems. Nobody likes a ship with the top of the double bottom full of shit. I have fixed plenty such problems. It is part of my job.

And here you have it folks, Heiwa is the marine equivalent of a guy that empties septic tanks.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on July 03, 2017, 05:28:46 AM
While trying to calculate whatever Heiwa wanted me to calculate I found this: https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11fltpln_final_reformat.pdf

It's the entire Apollo 11 flight plan. Heiwa, who apparently is an "expert in orbital mechanics" but probably has no idea how to calculate the Δv for a Hohmann transfer, should have no trouble understanding it. Let's see if he can find anything that doesn't add up or he has objections with in there. It has almost everything.

You really should study <some shitty website>, where I examine Willy Low's Apollo 11 fantasies in your link.  Nothing adds up. But Willy got away with 1969 but died young later. He was a joke.

Use the archive.
http://archive.is/tjRsk

It is an excellent way of finding out that his page on Apollo is still riddled with plenty lies and basic mistakes that anyone could correct with a few seconds of research despite having had them pointed out to him.
Yeah, but every webpage you find and everything you learned in school is propaganda and faked by nasa.  However, there is no conspiracy involved.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on July 04, 2017, 01:46:43 AM
While trying to calculate whatever Heiwa wanted me to calculate I found this: https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11fltpln_final_reformat.pdf

It's the entire Apollo 11 flight plan. Heiwa, who apparently is an "expert in orbital mechanics" but probably has no idea how to calculate the Δv for a Hohmann transfer, should have no trouble understanding it. Let's see if he can find anything that doesn't add up or he has objections with in there. It has almost everything.

You really should study <some shitty website>, where I examine Willy Low's Apollo 11 fantasies in your link.  Nothing adds up. But Willy got away with 1969 but died young later. He was a joke.

Use the archive.
http://archive.is/tjRsk

It is an excellent way of finding out that his page on Apollo is still riddled with plenty lies and basic mistakes that anyone could correct with a few seconds of research despite having had them pointed out to him.
Yeah, but every webpage you find and everything you learned in school is propaganda and faked by nasa.  However, there is no conspiracy involved.

Hm, my web site started out more than 20 years ago to explain a little about oil spill prevention and safety at sea. As incidents always happened far away from normal media coverage, it was simple to blame everything on the Master of the ship and media always supported the idea. Ideally the ship should sink and the Master drown and then you could say the ship was perfect and the Master ... drunk? Conspiracy? Not really! Most Masters were drunk at sea then.

People believe anything they are told by media: A-bombs exploded 1945 over Japan vaporizing 100 000's of innocent people. Americans cheered! Great! 1969 Americans visited the Moon and forgot to piss on it on arrival (you couldn't piss inside the spacecraft) and Americans cheered forgetting 50 000 Americans were KIAs in Vietnam at about the same time. 2001 we were told 19 Arabs landed planes in tops of two skyscrapers at NY with the result that seven buildings disappeared and went up in smoke. Americans then cheered the bold decisions to military attack Afghanistan and Iraq killing 100 000's of innocent people with only 10 000 American KIAs, etc, etc. No conspiracies anywhere. Just plenty stupid people not understanding anything including orbital mechanics.

 
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: disputeone on July 04, 2017, 01:49:59 AM
No conspiracies anywhere. Just plenty stupid people not understanding anything including orbital mechanics.

Actually at least one of your "challenges" involves quite a large conspiracy to hide the truth. Hell, I would argue all three of them do.

Here's a bone, please use the word correctly in the future.

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conspiracy

kənˈspɪrəsi/

noun

a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.

"a conspiracy to destroy the government"

synonyms:plot, scheme, stratagem, plan,machination, cabal; More

the action of plotting or conspiring.

"they were cleared of conspiracy to pervert the course of justice"

synonyms:plotting, collusion, intrigue,connivance, machination,collaboration;

treason

"he was due to stand trial for conspiracy to murder"
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on July 04, 2017, 02:02:47 AM
No conspiracies anywhere. Just plenty stupid people not understanding anything including orbital mechanics.

Actually at least one of your "challenges" involves quite a large conspiracy to hide the truth. Hell, I would argue all three of them do.

Here's a bone, please use the word correctly in the future.

Quote
conspiracy

kənˈspɪrəsi/

noun

a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.

"a conspiracy to destroy the government"

synonyms:plot, scheme, stratagem, plan,machination, cabal; More

the action of plotting or conspiring.

"they were cleared of conspiracy to pervert the course of justice"

synonyms:plotting, collusion, intrigue,connivance, machination,collaboration;

treason

"he was due to stand trial for conspiracy to murder"

At my website I think differently:

A-bombs are quite legal to vaporize enemies of all kind 1945. No conspiracy.
Americans pissing on the Moon is great entertainment 1969. No conspiracy.
A Baltic ferry sinking 1994 killing ~1 000 persons is a tragedy. But according to the authorities it was all due to a design fault. Only I have a different opinion. I suggest the ship was not seaworthy.
The 911 incident has been thoroughly investigated by US authorities and it was all due to 19 Arabs and their boss in a cave somewhere. No conspiracy.
Fusion on Earth is possible, a plant is built down the road from me at great expense. No conspiracy.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on July 04, 2017, 02:23:19 AM
At my website I think differently:

Yes, you avoid thinking at all costs.

Btw, the piss obsession is becoming increasingly disturbing.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: disputeone on July 04, 2017, 02:34:28 AM
The 911 incident has been thoroughly investigated by US authorities and it was all due to 19 Arabs and their boss in a cave somewhere. No conspiracy.

You idiot, Heiwa.
I'll just quote the relevant part.

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conspiracy

kənˈspɪrəsi/

noun

a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.

"a conspiracy to destroy the government"

synonyms:plot, scheme, stratagem, plan,machination, cabal; More

the action of plotting or conspiring.

"they were cleared of conspiracy to pervert the course of justice"

synonyms:plotting, collusion, intrigue,connivance, machination,collaboration;

treason

"he was due to stand trial for conspiracy to murder"
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on July 04, 2017, 03:59:37 AM
At my website I think differently:

Yes, you avoid thinking at all costs.

Btw, the piss obsession is becoming increasingly disturbing.
Hm, I just think differently - for obvious reasons explained at http://heiwaco.com . People living in one place all their lives just watching TV evidently avoid thinking like me.

And I am not obsessed by sanitary facilities, etc. In my early days the no WC was common.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: onebigmonkey on July 04, 2017, 04:04:35 AM
You tend to find that a lot of conspiraloons are arrogant wankers, and they assume that because no-one has come to the same conclusions as they have that everyone else hasn't bothered looking into things or is in some way inferior to them because reasons.

Heiwa is no different.

His conclusions are wrong, his website is full of lies and mistakes, and he is an arrogant wanker for assuming he knows better than everyone else just because he happens to have moved house.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on July 04, 2017, 04:16:26 AM
The 911 incident has been thoroughly investigated by US authorities and it was all due to 19 Arabs and their boss in a cave somewhere. No conspiracy.

You idiot, Heiwa.
I'll just quote the relevant part.

Quote
conspiracy

kənˈspɪrəsi/

noun

a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.

"a conspiracy to destroy the government"

synonyms:plot, scheme, stratagem, plan,machination, cabal; More

the action of plotting or conspiring.

"they were cleared of conspiracy to pervert the course of justice"

synonyms:plotting, collusion, intrigue,connivance, machination,collaboration;

treason

"he was due to stand trial for conspiracy to murder"

Hm, according GWB and Condoleezza 911 (2001) was an attack on USA by UBL (an Arab with a turban and a beard hiding in a cave) & Co planned since long, we were told at once by them 912 or 913. It seems US military & Co were caught with their pants down 911, but it was no conspiracy. Shit happens. Nobody in USA could imagine that 19 Arabs could sneak in and hijack four planes and destroy WTC/NY and Pentagon/DC, while the US military was visiting the toilets. So no conspiracy. Just bad luck.
My contribution to the incident is that structures do not collapse from top down, i.e. a weak top C of a structure cannot crush the intact, strong bottom A of same structure by gravity, if a part B between top C and bottom A is on fire allowing C to drop on A.
A always stops C from dropping. It is the Björkman's Axiom of structural dynamic collapse analysis.

Condi hates me for it.

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: frenat on July 04, 2017, 05:00:53 AM

Condi hates me for it.
I doubt Condi knows or cares who you are.  More LIES from Heiwa to make himself look more important.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: disputeone on July 04, 2017, 05:10:34 AM
no conspiracy

Are you really this disconnected. Can you not see, using the definition of conspiracy, that 9/11 involves a conspiracy either way you look at it. Are you really unable to use words properly?

One more time

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Conspiracy.
a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.

the action of plotting or conspiring.

Now, lets apply those definitions to the 9/11 official story we had a secret plan, by a group called Al-Qaeda to do something unlawful and harmful. Leading up to the event they engaged in the actions of plotting and conspiring.

Now, using our accepted definition of conspiracy can you kindly admit you are wrong.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on July 04, 2017, 05:38:28 AM
no conspiracy

Are you really this disconnected. Can you not see, using the definition of conspiracy, that 9/11 involves a conspiracy either way you look at it. Are you really unable to use words properly?

One more time

Quote
Conspiracy.
a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.

the action of plotting or conspiring.

Now, lets apply those definitions to the 9/11 official story we had a secret plan, by a group called Al-Qaeda to do something unlawful and harmful. Leading up to the event they engaged in the actions of plotting and conspiring.

Now, using our accepted definition of conspiracy can you kindly admit you are wrong.
Hm, assuming that a group called Al-Qaeda had a secret plan to something unlawful and harmful called 911, it seems it was not secret to GWB and Condi that the next day knew everything about it and informed media, etc. So no secrecy, no conspiracy!
It reminds me of Pear Harbour December 1941 when FDR/Stalin had broken all Japanese codes, knew all Japanese secrets and let it happen. No conspiracy at all.

Terrorism on the other hand is always about doing something unlawful and harmful being planned in secrecy. Maybe you mix up the two?

What has this to do with understanding in orbital mechanics?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on July 04, 2017, 07:40:25 AM
no conspiracy

Are you really this disconnected. Can you not see, using the definition of conspiracy, that 9/11 involves a conspiracy either way you look at it. Are you really unable to use words properly?

One more time

Quote
Conspiracy.
a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.

the action of plotting or conspiring.

Now, lets apply those definitions to the 9/11 official story we had a secret plan, by a group called Al-Qaeda to do something unlawful and harmful. Leading up to the event they engaged in the actions of plotting and conspiring.

Now, using our accepted definition of conspiracy can you kindly admit you are wrong.
Hm, assuming that a group called Al-Qaeda had a secret plan to something unlawful and harmful called 911, it seems it was not secret to GWB and Condi that the next day knew everything about it and informed media, etc. So no secrecy, no conspiracy!
It reminds me of Pear Harbour December 1941 when FDR/Stalin had broken all Japanese codes, knew all Japanese secrets and let it happen. No conspiracy at all.

Terrorism on the other hand is always about doing something unlawful and harmful being planned in secrecy. Maybe you mix up the two?

What has this to do with understanding in orbital mechanics?
There really isn't anything to add about your understanding of orbital mechanics.  You have none.
As for conspiracy, you just demonstrated you don't even know what that word means.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: onebigmonkey on July 04, 2017, 08:37:08 AM
Hm, assuming that a group called Al-Qaeda had a secret plan to something unlawful and harmful called 911, it seems it was not secret to GWB and Condi that the next day knew everything about it and informed media, etc. So no secrecy, no conspiracy!
It reminds me of Pear Harbour December 1941 when FDR/Stalin had broken all Japanese codes, knew all Japanese secrets and let it happen. No conspiracy at all.

Terrorism on the other hand is always about doing something unlawful and harmful being planned in secrecy. Maybe you mix up the two?

What has this to do with understanding in orbital mechanics?

Nothing at all. Why do you keep bringing it up?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on July 04, 2017, 09:04:17 AM
Hm, assuming that a group called Al-Qaeda had a secret plan to something unlawful and harmful called 911, it seems it was not secret to GWB and Condi that the next day knew everything about it and informed media, etc. So no secrecy, no conspiracy!

What has this to do with understanding in orbital mechanics?

Nothing at all. Why do you keep bringing it up?

Here is where it became part of the conversation:


The 911 incident has been thoroughly investigated by US authorities and it was all due to 19 Arabs and their boss in a cave somewhere. No conspiracy.


Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on July 04, 2017, 11:39:09 AM
It is the Björkman's Axiom of structural dynamic collapse analysis.

Putting the name of the "axiom" you named after yourself in bold letters makes you feel really good, doesn't it? This is pathetic.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on July 04, 2017, 12:21:20 PM
It is the Björkman's Axiom of structural dynamic collapse analysis.

Putting the name of the "axiom" you named after yourself in bold letters makes you feel really good, doesn't it? This is pathetic.
No. Why should it? Please, explain yourself.

Do you really suggest that a small top C of any structure A, can destroy, compress, bla, bla, bla, the intact structure A below ... by gravity? But A keeps C in place since 30 years! Why would C suddenly destroy A?

Sorry DNO you sound like a stupid FBI, CIA, NSA tewwowist.

No.  I am very proud of the Axiom named after me. Björkman's axiom. Shouldn't you?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on July 04, 2017, 12:41:41 PM
But A keeps C in place since 30 years! Why would C suddenly destroy A?


Can you hold a heavy rock on your head? If you drop that rock on your head, why would it suddenly destroy your head? How do you even have a job?

I don't think anyone named that "axiom" after yourself, I think you named it yourself. Besides the only references of it I could find were directly related to you. So no one uses it except of you.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on July 04, 2017, 01:03:21 PM
But A keeps C in place since 30 years! Why would C suddenly destroy A?


Can you hold a heavy rock on your head? If you drop that rock on your head, why would it suddenly destroy your head? How do you even have a job?

I don't think anyone named that "axiom" after yourself, I think you named it yourself. Besides the only references of it I could find were directly related to you. So no one uses it except of you.
You are just a jealous nobody, IMHO.

No, I am not 400 m tall with a little, 40 m light,weight top C, that drops on the 360 m bottom A(nders) and crushes it (me) into dust, bla, bla, bla.

Job? http://heiwaco.com/cv.htm .
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: frenat on July 04, 2017, 01:08:25 PM
No, by your own words you're just a plumber, aren't you.  I doubt you're an engineer unless you like to call yourself "sanitation engineer" because it sounds better than shit scrubber.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on July 04, 2017, 01:11:47 PM
Nothing you just said makes any sense.

1) The last thing I would ever want to be is you,

2) The analogy flew way over your head, and

3) 40 meters of steel and concrete is not "light". If the first floor fails the structure falls on the second floor, and if that fails it keeps falling like that etc.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on July 04, 2017, 01:12:31 PM
But A keeps C in place since 30 years! Why would C suddenly destroy A?


Can you hold a heavy rock on your head? If you drop that rock on your head, why would it suddenly destroy your head? How do you even have a job?

I don't think anyone named that "axiom" after yourself, I think you named it yourself. Besides the only references of it I could find were directly related to you. So no one uses it except of you.
You are just a jealous nobody, IMHO.


Do you even know what IMHO means? It doesn't makes much sense to say it is your humble opinion that DNO is jealous of you.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on July 04, 2017, 01:22:32 PM
Nothing you just said makes any sense.

1) The last thing I would ever want to be is you,

2) The analogy flew way over your head, and

3) 40 meters of steel and concrete is not "light". If the first floor fails the structure falls on the second floor, and if that fails it keeps falling like that etc.
LOL
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on July 04, 2017, 01:23:36 PM
But A keeps C in place since 30 years! Why would C suddenly destroy A?


Can you hold a heavy rock on your head? If you drop that rock on your head, why would it suddenly destroy your head? How do you even have a job?

I don't think anyone named that "axiom" after yourself, I think you named it yourself. Besides the only references of it I could find were directly related to you. So no one uses it except of you.
You are just a jealous nobody, IMHO.


Do you even know what IMHO means? It doesn't makes much sense to say it is your humble opinion that DNO is jealous of you.
LOL
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on July 04, 2017, 01:24:15 PM
No, by your own words you're just a plumber, aren't you.  I doubt you're an engineer unless you like to call yourself "sanitation engineer" because it sounds better than shit scrubber.
LOL
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on July 04, 2017, 01:26:06 PM
Hey! Let's all LOL, agree that Heiwa's claims were a joke, and put this nonsense behind us!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on July 04, 2017, 01:42:59 PM
LOL
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on July 04, 2017, 01:44:06 PM
LOL
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: disputeone on July 04, 2017, 04:08:03 PM
Nothing you just said makes any sense.

1) The last thing I would ever want to be is you,

2) The analogy flew way over your head, and

3) 40 meters of steel and concrete is not "light". If the first floor fails the structure falls on the second floor, and if that fails it keeps falling like that etc.

Not with a core structure like wtc 1 and 2 that analogy only works with a building without a core. Even NIST admits the pancake hypothesis is a fantasy.

Quote from: NIST
NIST's findings do not support the "pancake theory" of collapse, which is premised on a progressive failure of the floor systems in the WTC towers (the composite floor system—that connected the core columns and the perimeter columns—consisted of a grid of steel "trusses" integrated with a concrete slab; see diagram).
https://www.nist.gov/el/faqs-nist-wtc-towers-investigation

Anywhoo back on topic.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on July 04, 2017, 06:21:09 PM
Nothing you just said makes any sense.



3) 40 meters of steel and concrete is not "light". If the first floor fails the structure falls on the second floor, and if that fails it keeps falling like that etc.

Well, I didn't say that. I just suggest that a top C of a structure cannot crush the bottom A of same structure, when A keeps C in place statically, even if you drop C on A. It is the famous Björkman's axiom.

Only idiots believe that if you drop 10 top floors and the roof (C) of a building on the 90 floors below (A), the top C crushes the bottom A into dust by gravity.

They say they have seen it on TV.

LOL. They do not understand it was just a Hollywood movie. I explain it at http://heiwaco.com/tower.htm . Same thing with US orbital mechanics. Just a Hollywood movie.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: disputeone on July 04, 2017, 06:50:06 PM
Since were pushing it, the logic of the pancake collapse is demonstrably false as seen in brick breaking karate demonstrations. It takes more force to break the larger stack than a smaller stack. This is self evident.



If the pancake hypothesis is correct then the force to break a small brick stack should be exactly equal to the force it takes to break a large stack.

This is not the case cause Newton.
@ Heiwa calling people idiots does not win you any points.

Edit. Lets have a quick look at what happens when the force applied isn't sufficient to break an entire stack of bricks.

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on July 05, 2017, 12:46:57 AM
Dispute, a comparison with the brick stacks is not accurate at all. You're only breaking each floor one after the other, not all at once.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: disputeone on July 05, 2017, 12:49:26 AM
Dispute, a comparison with the brick stacks is not accurate at all. You're only breaking each floor one after the other, not all at once.

Please see the second video.
Why couldn't we break each brick one by one like what some people claim happened to wtc 1 and 2?

When the force is insufficient then not all the bricks are broken. I would also disagree that the bricks are being broken "all at once"  as we can see from either video.

Did you read this?
Quote from: NIST
NIST's findings do not support the "pancake theory" of collapse, which is premised on a progressive failure of the floor systems in the WTC towers

Edit Hardmode: why dont Karate-ka break solid concrete slabs, why do they use lots of individual bricks?

Edit. Superhard mode. Why doesnt that occur here?



2:40.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: disputeone on July 05, 2017, 01:39:47 AM
Anyway I won't hijack the thread here, we can continue this discussion if you like (I'd like to.)

Debating in support of the O/S is a lot like
(https://s13.postimg.org/olcia250n/13512733.jpg)

We all went through it. Also please note the distinct lack of posters willing to defend the O/S. I don't want you to end up hating or resenting me.

P.S did I get Rayzor sacked?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on July 05, 2017, 02:49:30 AM
Dispute, a comparison with the brick stacks is not accurate at all. You're only breaking each floor one after the other, not all at once.

Please see the second video.
Why couldn't we break each brick one by one like what some people claim happened to wtc 1 and 2?

When the force is insufficient then not all the bricks are broken. I would also disagree that the bricks are being broken "all at once"  as we can see from either video.


I can't watch videos right now, but I think I know what you mean.

When you punch a brick, your hand slows down. If it slows down too much you won't be able to accelerate it fast enough to have the necessary momentum to break the other bricks.

It's a much different case for buildings. When a floor fails, the whole mass of the floors above it starts accelerating due to gravity. When it hits the next floor, if its momentum is sufficient, that floor fails as well and then that whole mass starts accelerating again. It's like punching each brick separately with increasing force.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: disputeone on July 05, 2017, 03:46:59 AM
Dispute, a comparison with the brick stacks is not accurate at all. You're only breaking each floor one after the other, not all at once.

Please see the second video.
Why couldn't we break each brick one by one like what some people claim happened to wtc 1 and 2?

When the force is insufficient then not all the bricks are broken. I would also disagree that the bricks are being broken "all at once"  as we can see from either video.


I can't watch videos right now, but I think I know what you mean.

When you punch a brick, your hand slows down. If it slows down too much you won't be able to accelerate it fast enough to have the necessary momentum to break the other bricks.

It's a much different case for buildings. When a floor fails, the whole mass of the floors above it starts accelerating due to gravity. When it hits the next floor, if its momentum is sufficient, that floor fails as well and then that whole mass starts accelerating again. It's like punching each brick separately with increasing force.

Is that so?

Check out how long the top section lasts when you have a chance, look at it and tell me the top section stayed intact enough to crush the entire bottom of the building just under gravity and inertia as you describe.



Last post because there's a thread for this, I don't blame you for avoiding it as it's become especially toxic (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=69306.msg1926085#msg1926085)
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Kami on July 05, 2017, 03:59:59 AM
It is the Björkman's Axiom of structural dynamic collapse analysis.

Putting the name of the "axiom" you named after yourself in bold letters makes you feel really good, doesn't it? This is pathetic.
No.  I am very proud of the Axiom named after me. Björkman's axiom. Shouldn't you?
Who named it after you? It was not you, right?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on July 05, 2017, 04:04:56 AM
It is the Björkman's Axiom of structural dynamic collapse analysis.

Putting the name of the "axiom" you named after yourself in bold letters makes you feel really good, doesn't it? This is pathetic.
No.  I am very proud of the Axiom named after me. Björkman's axiom. Shouldn't you?
Who named it after you? It was not you, right?
I just formulated the axiom based on my scientific, peer reviewed paper that you find on the Internet. I am very proud of having an axiom named after me. The US Academy of Science, NIST, ASCE, FBI and CIA don't like it, but they were sleeping at the switches, when I formulated it. I agree, it is pathetic.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: disputeone on July 05, 2017, 04:13:09 AM
damn you, heiwa.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on July 05, 2017, 05:01:07 AM
Delusional
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on July 05, 2017, 06:37:41 AM
It is the Björkman's Axiom of structural dynamic collapse analysis.

Putting the name of the "axiom" you named after yourself in bold letters makes you feel really good, doesn't it? This is pathetic.
No.  I am very proud of the Axiom named after me. Björkman's axiom. Shouldn't you?
Who named it after you? It was not you, right?
I just formulated the axiom based on my scientific, peer reviewed paper that you find on the Internet. I am very proud of having an axiom named after me. The US Academy of Science, NIST, ASCE, FBI and CIA don't like it, but they were sleeping at the switches, when I formulated it. I agree, it is pathetic.
What, exactly, does any of this nonsense have to do with the subject?  Which is your complete lack of understanding of orbital mechanics.
But just for grins, can you link to your scientific, peer reviewed paper?  I mean, somewhere other than your insane website?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: disputeone on July 05, 2017, 07:06:04 AM
I'd also like to see it, Heiwa. Surely a link?

Here's a few real papers.
http://www.scientistsfor911truth.org/docs/ChandlerDownwardAccelerationOfWTC1.pdf
http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200704/GrabbeExplosionsEvidence.pdf

However I agree we should keep this on topic. This is also a subject Heiwa has a lack of understanding on to be fair, as is almost every subject.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on July 05, 2017, 08:06:00 AM
Dispute, a comparison with the brick stacks is not accurate at all. You're only breaking each floor one after the other, not all at once.

Please see the second video.
Why couldn't we break each brick one by one like what some people claim happened to wtc 1 and 2?
First of all, the tower collapse wasn't so much a matter of breaking bricks (floors) as breaking the spacers (walls) holding the bricks up.

Secondly, there is already an active 9/11 thread to discuss these things.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Kami on July 05, 2017, 10:05:40 AM
It is the Björkman's Axiom of structural dynamic collapse analysis.

Putting the name of the "axiom" you named after yourself in bold letters makes you feel really good, doesn't it? This is pathetic.
No.  I am very proud of the Axiom named after me. Björkman's axiom. Shouldn't you?
Who named it after you? It was not you, right?
I just formulated the axiom based on my scientific, peer reviewed paper that you find on the Internet. I am very proud of having an axiom named after me. The US Academy of Science, NIST, ASCE, FBI and CIA don't like it, but they were sleeping at the switches, when I formulated it. I agree, it is pathetic.
I am very curious who got the idea to name it björkman's axiom. Could you tell me?

EDIT: maybe we could rename the thread to Heiwa's lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on July 05, 2017, 10:29:24 AM
It is the Björkman's Axiom of structural dynamic collapse analysis.

Putting the name of the "axiom" you named after yourself in bold letters makes you feel really good, doesn't it? This is pathetic.
No.  I am very proud of the Axiom named after me. Björkman's axiom. Shouldn't you?
Who named it after you? It was not you, right?
I just formulated the axiom based on my scientific, peer reviewed paper that you find on the Internet. I am very proud of having an axiom named after me. The US Academy of Science, NIST, ASCE, FBI and CIA don't like it, but they were sleeping at the switches, when I formulated it. I agree, it is pathetic.
I am very curious who got the idea to name it björkman's axiom. Could you tell me?

Thanks for asking (again). I assume the axiom is named after me as I formulated it 2001. Many Americans do not believe it, though. They think things just happens POUFF, POUFF, POUFF. The Pouff Pouff theory - http://heiwaco.com/pouf.htm
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on July 05, 2017, 10:44:45 AM
It is the Björkman's Axiom of structural dynamic collapse analysis.

Putting the name of the "axiom" you named after yourself in bold letters makes you feel really good, doesn't it? This is pathetic.
No.  I am very proud of the Axiom named after me. Björkman's axiom. Shouldn't you?
Who named it after you? It was not you, right?
I just formulated the axiom based on my scientific, peer reviewed paper that you find on the Internet. I am very proud of having an axiom named after me. The US Academy of Science, NIST, ASCE, FBI and CIA don't like it, but they were sleeping at the switches, when I formulated it. I agree, it is pathetic.
I am very curious who got the idea to name it björkman's axiom. Could you tell me?

EDIT: maybe we could rename the thread to Heiwa's lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop.

DO it! All you have to do is go to your OP click modify and then change the title in the title box.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Kami on July 05, 2017, 02:26:58 PM
It is the Björkman's Axiom of structural dynamic collapse analysis.

Putting the name of the "axiom" you named after yourself in bold letters makes you feel really good, doesn't it? This is pathetic.
No.  I am very proud of the Axiom named after me. Björkman's axiom. Shouldn't you?
Who named it after you? It was not you, right?
I just formulated the axiom based on my scientific, peer reviewed paper that you find on the Internet. I am very proud of having an axiom named after me. The US Academy of Science, NIST, ASCE, FBI and CIA don't like it, but they were sleeping at the switches, when I formulated it. I agree, it is pathetic.
I am very curious who got the idea to name it björkman's axiom. Could you tell me?

Thanks for asking (again). I assume the axiom is named after me as I formulated it 2001. Many Americans do not believe it, though. They think things just happens POUFF, POUFF, POUFF. The Pouff Pouff theory - http://heiwaco.com/pouf.htm

Okay, you seem kind of dense. The word "who" implies a person, not a year. Who named the axiom björkman's axiom?

DO it! All you have to do is go to your OP click modify and then change the title in the title box.

Consider it done
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on July 05, 2017, 02:41:51 PM
LOL!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on July 05, 2017, 02:55:19 PM
Good work Kami.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on July 05, 2017, 03:48:39 PM
Dispute, a comparison with the brick stacks is not accurate at all. You're only breaking each floor one after the other, not all at once.

Please see the second video.
Why couldn't we break each brick one by one like what some people claim happened to wtc 1 and 2?

When the force is insufficient then not all the bricks are broken. I would also disagree that the bricks are being broken "all at once"  as we can see from either video.


I can't watch videos right now, but I think I know what you mean.

When you punch a brick, your hand slows down. If it slows down too much you won't be able to accelerate it fast enough to have the necessary momentum to break the other bricks.

It's a much different case for buildings. When a floor fails, the whole mass of the floors above it starts accelerating due to gravity. When it hits the next floor, if its momentum is sufficient, that floor fails as well and then that whole mass starts accelerating again. It's like punching each brick separately with increasing force.

Is that so?

Check out how long the top section lasts when you have a chance, look at it and tell me the top section stayed intact enough to crush the entire bottom of the building just under gravity and inertia as you describe.



Last post because there's a thread for this, I don't blame you for avoiding it as it's become especially toxic (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=69306.msg1926085#msg1926085)

Yeah better get back on topic, to Heiwa and his poop!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on July 05, 2017, 04:49:36 PM
(https://s9.postimg.org/sctgzm20v/heiwa1.jpg)
Markjo I addressed your post here (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=69306.msg1926280#msg1926280)
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on July 05, 2017, 08:59:05 PM
It is the Björkman's Axiom of structural dynamic collapse analysis.

Putting the name of the "axiom" you named after yourself in bold letters makes you feel really good, doesn't it? This is pathetic.
No.  I am very proud of the Axiom named after me. Björkman's axiom. Shouldn't you?
Who named it after you? It was not you, right?
I just formulated the axiom based on my scientific, peer reviewed paper that you find on the Internet. I am very proud of having an axiom named after me. The US Academy of Science, NIST, ASCE, FBI and CIA don't like it, but they were sleeping at the switches, when I formulated it. I agree, it is pathetic.
I am very curious who got the idea to name it björkman's axiom. Could you tell me?

Thanks for asking (again). I assume the axiom is named after me as I formulated it 2001. Many Americans do not believe it, though. They think things just happens POUFF, POUFF, POUFF. The Pouff Pouff theory - http://heiwaco.com/pouf.htm

Okay, you seem kind of dense. The word "who" implies a person, not a year. Who named the axiom björkman's axiom?

DO it! All you have to do is go to your OP click modify and then change the title in the title box.

Consider it done

Hm, I see you have changed the topic after failing to describe a simple trajectory and fuel required of a manned trip to the Moon incl. the sanitary facilities required of the spacecraft.
I assume you then agree that a manned trip to the Moon and back is not possible for obvious reasons.

I don't recall why we started to discuss how to handle, e.g. the urine produced during such a trip, but then somebody linked to the NASA space toilet designs and operating instructions and I really got a good laugh. You were supposed to pee in a bag, connect the bag to some hoses and a valve in the wall, open the valve and eject the urine into space ... one way or other. And then purge and bleed the hose with 02 and H2.

I think the NASA space toilet designs and operating instructions really proved I am right, i.e. nobody has ever travelled to the Moon. It was a hoax that goes on until today. That's why http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm is by far my most popular web page.

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: onebigmonkey on July 05, 2017, 09:18:58 PM
The trajectory to get to the moon and back have been described in great detail. You are the one that introduced the subject of the toilets.

The topic was changed because you couldn't stick to it.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 05, 2017, 09:38:27 PM
The trajectory to get to the moon and back have been described in great detail.

No, it hasn't! And then there is the fuel consumption? You have to carry fuel with you, to do various manouvers. Nobody has shown ho to get that fuel off the ground from Earth.

Kami (post #1) tried to get from orbit Earth to the vicinity of the Moon and ... missed. And now he has changed the topic. Disgusting.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on July 05, 2017, 09:39:03 PM
Hm, I see you have changed the topic after failing to describe a simple trajectory and fuel required of a manned trip to the Moon incl. the sanitary facilities required of the spacecraft.
I assume you then agree that a manned trip to the Moon and back is not possible for obvious reasons.
And I see that you still haven't explained how ArianeSpace can transfer a satellite from low earth parking orbit to a geostationary orbit.
I assume you then agree that you do not understand orbital mechanics.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on July 05, 2017, 09:57:46 PM

I don't recall why we started to discuss how to handle, e.g. the urine produced during such a trip,



It was you.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on July 05, 2017, 10:02:49 PM
Of course Heiwa is going to claim no one showed how to get into orbit etc. etc. Of course he is going to try to blame someone else for his obsession with poop!

Who cares! Let's just post all the time so the title keeps showing up in the new posts!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Bullwinkle on July 05, 2017, 10:29:28 PM
pooooooop
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on July 05, 2017, 10:37:11 PM
Shitpost! LOL
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on July 06, 2017, 12:51:47 AM
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on July 06, 2017, 02:55:49 AM
Hm, I see you have changed the topic after failing to describe a simple trajectory and fuel required of a manned trip to the Moon incl. the sanitary facilities required of the spacecraft.
I assume you then agree that a manned trip to the Moon and back is not possible for obvious reasons.
And I see that you still haven't explained how ArianeSpace can transfer a satellite from low earth parking orbit to a geostationary orbit.
I assume you then agree that you do not understand orbital mechanics.
No, it seems you always, all the time, ask stupid questions to the wrong people and ... when there is no reply ... you think you are something.
Well, you are a stupid, zero IQ, nothing. But you will never understand it.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Bullwinkle on July 06, 2017, 03:01:01 AM
poop
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on July 06, 2017, 05:23:41 AM
Hm, I see you have changed the topic after failing to describe a simple trajectory and fuel required of a manned trip to the Moon incl. the sanitary facilities required of the spacecraft.
I assume you then agree that a manned trip to the Moon and back is not possible for obvious reasons.
And I see that you still haven't explained how ArianeSpace can transfer a satellite from low earth parking orbit to a geostationary orbit.
I assume you then agree that you do not understand orbital mechanics.
No, it seems you always, all the time, ask stupid questions to the wrong people and ... when there is no reply ... you think you are something.
Well, you are a stupid, zero IQ, nothing. But you will never understand it.
You claim that you understand orbital mechanics (despite the lack of any formal education or work experience in aerospace) and that ArianeSpace can put satellites into geostationary orbit, so why can't you explain how they do it?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on July 06, 2017, 05:55:40 AM
Hm, I see you have changed the topic after failing to describe a simple trajectory and fuel required of a manned trip to the Moon incl. the sanitary facilities required of the spacecraft.
I assume you then agree that a manned trip to the Moon and back is not possible for obvious reasons.
And I see that you still haven't explained how ArianeSpace can transfer a satellite from low earth parking orbit to a geostationary orbit.
I assume you then agree that you do not understand orbital mechanics.
No, it seems you always, all the time, ask stupid questions to the wrong people and ... when there is no reply ... you think you are something.
Well, you are a stupid, zero IQ, nothing. But you will never understand it.
You claim that you understand orbital mechanics (despite the lack of any formal education or work experience in aerospace) and that ArianeSpace can put satellites into geostationary orbit, so why can't you explain how they do it?
Another stupid questions, zero. But I have already explained everything at http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm .
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on July 06, 2017, 06:16:14 AM
Hm, I see you have changed the topic after failing to describe a simple trajectory and fuel required of a manned trip to the Moon incl. the sanitary facilities required of the spacecraft.
I assume you then agree that a manned trip to the Moon and back is not possible for obvious reasons.
And I see that you still haven't explained how ArianeSpace can transfer a satellite from low earth parking orbit to a geostationary orbit.
I assume you then agree that you do not understand orbital mechanics.
No, it seems you always, all the time, ask stupid questions to the wrong people and ... when there is no reply ... you think you are something.
Well, you are a stupid, zero IQ, nothing. But you will never understand it.
You claim that you understand orbital mechanics (despite the lack of any formal education or work experience in aerospace) and that ArianeSpace can put satellites into geostationary orbit, so why can't you explain how they do it?
Another stupid questions, zero. But I have already explained everything at http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm .
Trying to wade through your web site gives me a headache.  Would you care to copy and paste the relevant passage that explains how ArianeSpace transfers satellites from low earth parking orbit to geostationary orbit?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on July 06, 2017, 06:30:12 AM
Hm, I see you have changed the topic after failing to describe a simple trajectory and fuel required of a manned trip to the Moon incl. the sanitary facilities required of the spacecraft.
I assume you then agree that a manned trip to the Moon and back is not possible for obvious reasons.
And I see that you still haven't explained how ArianeSpace can transfer a satellite from low earth parking orbit to a geostationary orbit.
I assume you then agree that you do not understand orbital mechanics.
No, it seems you always, all the time, ask stupid questions to the wrong people and ... when there is no reply ... you think you are something.
Well, you are a stupid, zero IQ, nothing. But you will never understand it.
You claim that you understand orbital mechanics (despite the lack of any formal education or work experience in aerospace) and that ArianeSpace can put satellites into geostationary orbit, so why can't you explain how they do it?
Another stupid questions, zero. But I have already explained everything at http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm .
Trying to wade through your web site gives me a headache.  Would you care to copy and paste the relevant passage that explains how ArianeSpace transfers satellites from low earth parking orbit to geostationary orbit?
How do you get a headache? Is there anything between your ears?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on July 06, 2017, 06:30:47 AM
poop
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Bullwinkle on July 06, 2017, 06:36:13 AM
doo-doo


(not between your ears, Boots.)
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on July 06, 2017, 07:14:08 AM
Ha!

In Heiwa's diaper more likely.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Kami on July 06, 2017, 11:41:02 AM
I assume you then agree that a manned trip to the Moon and back is not possible for obvious reasons.

Nope. I agree that I will never be able to convince you however.


So, you now thrice failed to answer a very simple question: Who gave Björkmanns axiom the name it has?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on July 06, 2017, 11:48:46 AM
I assume you then agree that a manned trip to the Moon and back is not possible for obvious reasons.

Nope. I agree that I will never be able to convince you however.


So, you now thrice failed to answer a very simple question: Who gave Björkmanns axiom the name it has?

Well, it seems the axiom is named after me, if you can spell my family name correctly.

I am also at facebook!

https://www.facebook.com/anders.bjorkman.940/media_set?set=a.504122316593375.1073741863.100009868323415&type=3&uploaded=14

Do you think that 586 persons were maimed not far from my place almost a year ago?

I know it has nothing to do with topic but anyway - 586 persons maimed of which 86 killed. By a bad truck driver! Do you believe it?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on July 06, 2017, 12:06:48 PM
Hm, I see you have changed the topic after failing to describe a simple trajectory and fuel required of a manned trip to the Moon incl. the sanitary facilities required of the spacecraft.
I assume you then agree that a manned trip to the Moon and back is not possible for obvious reasons.
And I see that you still haven't explained how ArianeSpace can transfer a satellite from low earth parking orbit to a geostationary orbit.
I assume you then agree that you do not understand orbital mechanics.
No, it seems you always, all the time, ask stupid questions to the wrong people and ... when there is no reply ... you think you are something.
Well, you are a stupid, zero IQ, nothing. But you will never understand it.
You claim that you understand orbital mechanics (despite the lack of any formal education or work experience in aerospace) and that ArianeSpace can put satellites into geostationary orbit, so why can't you explain how they do it?
Another stupid questions, zero. But I have already explained everything at http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm .
Trying to wade through your web site gives me a headache.  Would you care to copy and paste the relevant passage that explains how ArianeSpace transfers satellites from low earth parking orbit to geostationary orbit?
How do you get a headache? Is there anything between your ears?
I thought that you said that you're a nice guy.   A nice guy wouldn't insult someone for asking them nicely to do a simple favor, like copying some simple information.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Kami on July 06, 2017, 12:57:03 PM
I assume you then agree that a manned trip to the Moon and back is not possible for obvious reasons.

Nope. I agree that I will never be able to convince you however.


So, you now thrice failed to answer a very simple question: Who gave Björkmanns axiom the name it has?

Well, it seems the axiom is named after me, if you can spell my family name correctly.

I am also at facebook!

https://www.facebook.com/anders.bjorkman.940/media_set?set=a.504122316593375.1073741863.100009868323415&type=3&uploaded=14

Do you think that 586 persons were maimed not far from my place almost a year ago?

I know it has nothing to do with topic but anyway - 586 persons maimed of which 86 killed. By a bad truck driver! Do you believe it?

I do not care if you are on facebook, where you live or anything. I care about who named the axiom after you. And you desperately dodge that question.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on July 06, 2017, 01:00:08 PM
I assume you then agree that a manned trip to the Moon and back is not possible for obvious reasons.

Nope. I agree that I will never be able to convince you however.


So, you now thrice failed to answer a very simple question: Who gave Björkmanns axiom the name it has?

Well, it seems the axiom is named after me, if you can spell my family name correctly.

I am also at facebook!

https://www.facebook.com/anders.bjorkman.940/media_set?set=a.504122316593375.1073741863.100009868323415&type=3&uploaded=14

Do you think that 586 persons were maimed not far from my place almost a year ago?

I know it has nothing to do with topic but anyway - 586 persons maimed of which 86 killed. By a bad truck driver! Do you believe it?

I do not care if you are on facebook, where you live or anything. I care about who named the axiom after you. And you desperately dodge that question.
Yeah, that's his pattern.  Never answer a direct question, never supply any evidence.
Rinse, repeat.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Pezevenk on July 06, 2017, 02:33:05 PM
It can't even be considered an axiom.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on July 06, 2017, 03:11:31 PM
DNO is right, let's look at the definition of an axiom.

Quote
axiom

ˈaksɪəm/

noun

a statement or proposition which is regarded as being established, accepted, or self-evidently true.

As it's not really accepted or established it's hard to call it an axiom.

Lets look at another definition for lulz.

Quote
Controlled opposition is counterintelligence propaganda and is carried out today, legally, under the Smith-Mundt Modernization Act. It’s all an Act. And the Act is part and parcel of Social Engineering, the systematic molding and brainwashing of the individual mind to conform to group-think and one preferred ideology. Controlled opposition turns a captive audience into a captured herd with an accepted institutionalized message.

Living in the institutionalized system that we do means that one small group can infiltrate grassroots organizations to change the perception of reality for all. By programming through the educational system and the media, an entire nation can be demoralized within a span of one generation or 15 to 20 years. Controlled opposition exists to subvert and undermine “The Truth Movement” to protect The Establishment.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith%E2%80%93Mundt_Act
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on July 06, 2017, 06:27:02 PM
Hm, I see you have changed the topic after failing to describe a simple trajectory and fuel required of a manned trip to the Moon incl. the sanitary facilities required of the spacecraft.
I assume you then agree that a manned trip to the Moon and back is not possible for obvious reasons.
And I see that you still haven't explained how ArianeSpace can transfer a satellite from low earth parking orbit to a geostationary orbit.
I assume you then agree that you do not understand orbital mechanics.
No, it seems you always, all the time, ask stupid questions to the wrong people and ... when there is no reply ... you think you are something.
Well, you are a stupid, zero IQ, nothing. But you will never understand it.
You claim that you understand orbital mechanics (despite the lack of any formal education or work experience in aerospace) and that ArianeSpace can put satellites into geostationary orbit, so why can't you explain how they do it?
Another stupid questions, zero. But I have already explained everything at http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm .
Trying to wade through your web site gives me a headache.  Would you care to copy and paste the relevant passage that explains how ArianeSpace transfers satellites from low earth parking orbit to geostationary orbit?
How do you get a headache? Is there anything between your ears?
I thought that you said that you're a nice guy.   A nice guy wouldn't insult someone for asking them nicely to do a simple favor, like copying some simple information.
Well, I am nice. But you are not with your stupid questions interrupting a decent discussion.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on July 06, 2017, 07:30:49 PM
Well, I am nice. But you are not with your stupid questions interrupting a decent discussion.
??? Why is asking you to demonstrate your understanding of orbital mechanics by explaining how ArianeSpace transfers satellites from low earth orbit to geostationary orbit a stupid question?  I'm sure that it's far less complicated than the manned moon mission information that you keep asking for (you don't have to worry about sanitary facilities).
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on July 06, 2017, 10:27:17 PM
Well, I am nice. But you are not with your stupid questions interrupting a decent discussion.
??? Why is asking you to demonstrate your understanding of orbital mechanics by explaining how ArianeSpace transfers satellites from low earth orbit to geostationary orbit a stupid question?  I'm sure that it's far less complicated than the manned moon mission information that you keep asking for (you don't have to worry about sanitary facilities).

Because asking people questions to test their various abilities is stupid. This is not a job interview. This is a friendly discussion about topics of interest, e.g. orbital mechanics and my famous Challenge to describe space trips to Moon/Mars. I find it interesting that noone can do it. Not even calculate the fuel consumption.
Re sanitary facilities in space. They are a joke. People don't understand it. People here are really stupid.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on July 06, 2017, 11:02:50 PM
Well, I am nice. But you are not with your stupid questions interrupting a decent discussion.
??? Why is asking you to demonstrate your understanding of orbital mechanics by explaining how ArianeSpace transfers satellites from low earth orbit to geostationary orbit a stupid question?  I'm sure that it's far less complicated than the manned moon mission information that you keep asking for (you don't have to worry about sanitary facilities).

Because asking people questions to test their various abilities is stupid. This is not a job interview. This is a friendly discussion about topics of interest, e.g. orbital mechanics and my famous Challenge to describe space trips to Moon/Mars. I find it interesting that noone can do it. Not even calculate the fuel consumption.
Re sanitary facilities in space. They are a joke. People don't understand it. People here are really stupid.

I find it interesting that you're so dense you think you can come on here and make claims like that. Did you forget we've all been here all along? Do you think we've forgotten? We haven't. You're just making yourself look like a stuffy old curmudgeon!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: onebigmonkey on July 06, 2017, 11:03:42 PM
Asking you questions is not about testing your abilities, it's about pointing out the inadequacies of your knowledge, and also reminding you that despite your protestations to the contrary your own questions have been answered countless times here and elsewhere. Pretending that they haven't is as dishonest as claiming that your website contains all the answers to everything, like pretending to be amazed that the discussion has turned to sanitary facilities and then bringing it up yourself. Again.

'Friendly discussion' generally doesn't involve calling people 'stupid', 'twirps' (wrong spelling, by the way), suffering from cognitive dissonance or having some sort of mental illness just because they've pointed out the many failings in your arguments. Because you do these things I feel entirely justified in calling you a liar, a fraud, a racist and a self-aggrandising moron.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on July 06, 2017, 11:04:33 PM
Well, I am nice. But you are not with your stupid questions interrupting a decent discussion.

You wouldn't recognize a decent discussion if it hit you in the face!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 06, 2017, 11:29:09 PM
Asking you questions is not about testing your abilities, it's about pointing out the inadequacies of your knowledge, and also reminding you that despite your protestations to the contrary your own questions have been answered countless times here and elsewhere.

Hm, in order to win my Challenge (actually the topic - see post #1) you must, e.g., be able to calculate how much fuel is required for a spacecraft to leave orbit Earth and blast off towards the target and brake there. I simply notice nobody can do it. Plenty people say it can be done but cannot explain how. You do not win my Challenge saying it can be done.
Same people then get very upset, when I explain my Challenge is impossible to win (for obvious reasons).
I find it funny. Many threads here are about my findings and people saying I present fake findings. But nobody can show that my findings are incorrect. Think about it before asking stupid OT questions.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on July 07, 2017, 12:02:27 AM
You have never won my challenge either Heiwa! This proves that you are wrong!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 07, 2017, 01:00:33 AM
You have never won my challenge either Heiwa! This proves that you are wrong!
No, it shows you are a joke.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on July 07, 2017, 01:26:04 AM
You have never won my challenge either Heiwa! This proves that you are wrong!
No, it shows you are a joke.

I know. But I learned how to do it from you. I'm not gonna stop 'til you stop. But I totally agree it's a joke.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Kami on July 07, 2017, 01:38:24 AM
You have never won my challenge either Heiwa! This proves that you are wrong!
No, it shows you are a joke.

I know. But I learned how to do it from you. I'm not gonna stop 'til you stop. But I totally agree it's a joke.

Nice  ;D ;D



Still avoiding the question, heiwa? I think we all know who named the axiom after you. It was the humble heiwa. And now he is proud of it.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on July 07, 2017, 05:44:59 AM
Well, I am nice. But you are not with your stupid questions interrupting a decent discussion.
??? Why is asking you to demonstrate your understanding of orbital mechanics by explaining how ArianeSpace transfers satellites from low earth orbit to geostationary orbit a stupid question?  I'm sure that it's far less complicated than the manned moon mission information that you keep asking for (you don't have to worry about sanitary facilities).

Because asking people questions to test their various abilities is stupid. This is not a job interview. This is a friendly discussion about topics of interest, e.g. orbital mechanics and my famous Challenge to describe space trips to Moon/Mars. I find it interesting that noone can do it. Not even calculate the fuel consumption.
Yes, this is a friendly discussion about orbital mechanics.  So why is asking you to describe the relevant orbital mechanics of transferring a satellite from low earth orbit to geostationary orbit stupid?  You ask us to describe what you consider to be an impossible trip to Mars, but refuse to describe a relatively simple orbit transfer?  That doesn't seem fair to me.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Pezevenk on July 07, 2017, 06:40:30 AM
Asking you questions is not about testing your abilities, it's about pointing out the inadequacies of your knowledge, and also reminding you that despite your protestations to the contrary your own questions have been answered countless times here and elsewhere.

Hm, in order to win my Challenge (actually the topic - see post #1) you must, e.g., be able to calculate how much fuel is required for a spacecraft to leave orbit Earth and blast off towards the target and brake there. I simply notice nobody can do it. Plenty people say it can be done but cannot explain how. You do not win my Challenge saying it can be done.
Same people then get very upset, when I explain my Challenge is impossible to win (for obvious reasons).
I find it funny. Many threads here are about my findings and people saying I present fake findings. But nobody can show that my findings are incorrect. Think about it before asking stupid OT questions.

I can calculate all the Hohmann transfers for you, the calculations for landing on the moon or getting to orbit are very dependent on the particular maneuver used and I'll have to use external sources.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on July 07, 2017, 06:50:51 AM
Well, I am nice. But you are not with your stupid questions interrupting a decent discussion.
??? Why is asking you to demonstrate your understanding of orbital mechanics by explaining how ArianeSpace transfers satellites from low earth orbit to geostationary orbit a stupid question?  I'm sure that it's far less complicated than the manned moon mission information that you keep asking for (you don't have to worry about sanitary facilities).

Because asking people questions to test their various abilities is stupid. This is not a job interview. This is a friendly discussion about topics of interest, e.g. orbital mechanics and my famous Challenge to describe space trips to Moon/Mars. I find it interesting that noone can do it. Not even calculate the fuel consumption.

Yes, this is a friendly discussion about orbital mechanics.  So why is asking you to describe the relevant orbital mechanics of transferring a satellite from low earth orbit to geostationary orbit stupid?  You ask us to describe what you consider to be an impossible trip to Mars, but refuse to describe a relatively simple orbit transfer?  That doesn't seem fair to me.
Another off topic question of no interest! You just confirm that you are not very bright. Don't ask stupid questions. If you think I do not understand orbital mechanics, explain why.

I, as you know, do not understand how to calculate the force (N) required to leave EPO to blast off to reach the Moon and when (time in EPO), duration (s), direction, and where (location in EPO) to do it and associated fuel consumption (kg), the trajectory, arrival Moon, etc, etc. Just tell me how to do it and you are on your way to win my Challenge.

As I understand it, I am in a certain balance/equilibrium in constant speed/altitude orbit. The combined forces applied on my spacecraft are zero. I just orbit at constant speed (if orbit is circular). Do you agree? It is part of the defiinition of an orbit.

Then I apply a new force to get out of orbit to go to the Moon. No more circular orbit. No more equilibrium. Because as soon as I stop applying the new force Earth gravity pulls me back - changes my speed and direction.

And that's one problem. How to calculate the resulting trajectory with Earth gravity pulling me back all the time?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 07, 2017, 06:58:16 AM
Asking you questions is not about testing your abilities, it's about pointing out the inadequacies of your knowledge, and also reminding you that despite your protestations to the contrary your own questions have been answered countless times here and elsewhere.

Hm, in order to win my Challenge (actually the topic - see post #1) you must, e.g., be able to calculate how much fuel is required for a spacecraft to leave orbit Earth and blast off towards the target and brake there. I simply notice nobody can do it. Plenty people say it can be done but cannot explain how. You do not win my Challenge saying it can be done.
Same people then get very upset, when I explain my Challenge is impossible to win (for obvious reasons).
I find it funny. Many threads here are about my findings and people saying I present fake findings. But nobody can show that my findings are incorrect. Think about it before asking stupid OT questions.

I can calculate all the Hohmann transfers for you, the calculations for landing on the moon or getting to orbit are very dependent on the particular maneuver used and I'll have to use external sources.

Thanks, tell Kami (post #1) this! How do you do it, how much fuel is required, what do you do on arrival and why do you do it? There is absolutely nothing to do in space! Only brain washed people think there is something in space.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on July 07, 2017, 07:56:52 AM
I am offering a 1M € Challengeto anyone who has previously posted in this thread under the name Heiwa, who is capable of telling us what is wrong with the calculations that Kami and others have already been done regarding trajectory to the moon.

Hint: Just baldly asserting it won't work as has been done repeatedly in this thread will not qualify. What this does do though, is help confirm the thread title.

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Kami on July 07, 2017, 09:45:46 AM
Heiwa has already said that he does not understand orbital mechanics three posts ago  :)

Boots if I were you I would not put 1M on my calculations, I can not guarantee that there is no error (the general method should be fine though)  :D
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on July 07, 2017, 12:01:21 PM
Perhaps I should be a little more careful with my wording but in general Heiwa's money is safe and so is mine.  ;)

Edit: I fixed it.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 08, 2017, 01:44:56 AM
Perhaps I should be a little more careful with my wording but in general Heiwa's money is safe and so is mine.  ;)

Edit: I fixed it.

Of course my money is and was always safe, as nobody could ever win my Challenges. A-bombs do not work, human space travel does not work, bow visors on ships are just decorations of the superstructure, seven NY office buildings were not detroyed in a couple of hours due to Arabs landing planes on them and fusion down the road from me will not work.

This is my understanding of things.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Kami on July 08, 2017, 02:45:11 AM
Perhaps I should be a little more careful with my wording but in general Heiwa's money is safe and so is mine.  ;)

Edit: I fixed it.

Of course my money is and was always safe, as nobody could ever win my Challenges. A-bombs do not work, human space travel does not work, bow visors on ships are just decorations of the superstructure, seven NY office buildings were not detroyed in a couple of hours due to Arabs landing planes on them and fusion down the road from me will not work.

This is my understanding of things.

Your understanding of things will not make them real, though.


Do you by any chance remember who named the axiom after you now? Must be dementia. I asked several times, you know?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 08, 2017, 03:17:12 AM
Perhaps I should be a little more careful with my wording but in general Heiwa's money is safe and so is mine.  ;)

Edit: I fixed it.

Of course my money is and was always safe, as nobody could ever win my Challenges. A-bombs do not work, human space travel does not work, bow visors on ships are just decorations of the superstructure, seven NY office buildings were not detroyed in a couple of hours due to Arabs landing planes on them and fusion down the road from me will not work.

This is my understanding of things.

1. Your understanding of things will not make them real, though.


2. Do you by any chance remember who named the axiom after you now? Must be dementia. I asked several times, you know?

1. Thanks. A bombs, human space travel, ship bow visor accident, top down 911 collapses and fusion are just fantasies. Only twerps believe they are real.

2.The no top down collapse axiom is named after me. As many people believe collapses starts from top down - weak top crushes strong intact bottom below - I decided 2002 to show that it is the other way around - something weak at the bottom fails (e.g. by a bomb) and then the top collapses. And it became an axiom. I haven't got a clue who named it after me. Why do you ask such stupid question?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: onebigmonkey on July 08, 2017, 03:23:04 AM
Why would you answer a question that wasn't asked? Why would you supply such a stupid answer?

The question was not after whom was this nonsensical axiom named, it was 'who named it?'.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Badxtoss on July 08, 2017, 06:06:27 AM
Perhaps I should be a little more careful with my wording but in general Heiwa's money is safe and so is mine.  ;)

Edit: I fixed it.

Of course my money is and was always safe, as nobody could ever win my Challenges. A-bombs do not work, human space travel does not work, bow visors on ships are just decorations of the superstructure, seven NY office buildings were not detroyed in a couple of hours due to Arabs landing planes on them and fusion down the road from me will not work.

This is my understanding of things.
Then why do you refuse to show any evidence to support your understanding, here in this forum, not a link to your pathetic website.  Your constant failure to back up your claims is why people think you are just s lying idiot.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Pezevenk on July 08, 2017, 06:46:54 AM
Asking you questions is not about testing your abilities, it's about pointing out the inadequacies of your knowledge, and also reminding you that despite your protestations to the contrary your own questions have been answered countless times here and elsewhere.

Hm, in order to win my Challenge (actually the topic - see post #1) you must, e.g., be able to calculate how much fuel is required for a spacecraft to leave orbit Earth and blast off towards the target and brake there. I simply notice nobody can do it. Plenty people say it can be done but cannot explain how. You do not win my Challenge saying it can be done.
Same people then get very upset, when I explain my Challenge is impossible to win (for obvious reasons).
I find it funny. Many threads here are about my findings and people saying I present fake findings. But nobody can show that my findings are incorrect. Think about it before asking stupid OT questions.

I can calculate all the Hohmann transfers for you, the calculations for landing on the moon or getting to orbit are very dependent on the particular maneuver used and I'll have to use external sources.

Thanks, tell Kami (post #1) this! How do you do it, how much fuel is required, what do you do on arrival and why do you do it? There is absolutely nothing to do in space! Only brain washed people think there is something in space.

Well, for starters I've read that the Δv required to get it to LEO is about 9000-9200m/s, not sure how to verify it. You have to use the Tsiolkovsky rocket equation to see how much fuel of the first 2 stages this takes. Then you need a Hohmann transfer to get an orbit that intersects with that of the Moon. I worked out a formula for that at home but I don't remember it now, I'll yell you when I get back. Then it's the lunar orbit injection burn which should be a simple calculation if you know the velocity at that point. But I think you'll have to do some patched conic stuff which may or may not get kind of complex. I'll see when I get home. Then you have another Hohmann transfer to get to a very low Moon orbit, and a last burn to slow down and go almost vertically down the Moon. I can calculate these pretty easily. The fuel expended to actually land is very dependent on the particular maneuvers used so it will be speculation, but they did allow for extra fuel in the lander. I'm also not 100% sure how to calculate the fuel for the take off but after that it's simple Hohmann transfers again.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on July 08, 2017, 08:00:19 AM
Perhaps I should be a little more careful with my wording but in general Heiwa's money is safe and so is mine.  ;)

Edit: I fixed it.

Of course my money is and was always safe, as nobody could ever win my Challenges. A-bombs do not work, human space travel does not work, bow visors on ships are just decorations of the superstructure, seven NY office buildings were not detroyed in a couple of hours due to Arabs landing planes on them and fusion down the road from me will not work.

This is my understanding of things.

But your understanding of things is so very limited. For example, you don't realize that you've just admitted that your challenge is pretty much a fraud and a joke.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 10, 2017, 12:05:04 AM
Perhaps I should be a little more careful with my wording but in general Heiwa's money is safe and so is mine.  ;)

Edit: I fixed it.

Of course my money is and was always safe, as nobody could ever win my Challenges. A-bombs do not work, human space travel does not work, bow visors on ships are just decorations of the superstructure, seven NY office buildings were not detroyed in a couple of hours due to Arabs landing planes on them and fusion down the road from me will not work.

This is my understanding of things.

But your understanding of things is so very limited. For example, you don't realize that you've just admitted that your challenge is pretty much a fraud and a joke.
Hm, personally I think my five Challenges (http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm ) are serious and fun.  But plenty persons are not able to understand it. Poor, shitty people!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on July 10, 2017, 01:51:43 AM
Hm, personally I think my five Challenges are serious and fun.  But plenty persons are not able to understand it. Poor, shitty people!

Isn't that like, everyone?

Also, you don't seem to understand my challenge! You're a poor shitty person!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 10, 2017, 02:06:35 AM
Perhaps I should be a little more careful with my wording but in general Heiwa's money is safe and so is mine.  ;)

Edit: I fixed it.

Of course my money is and was always safe, as nobody could ever win my Challenges. A-bombs do not work, human space travel does not work, bow visors on ships are just decorations of the superstructure, seven NY office buildings were not detroyed in a couple of hours due to Arabs landing planes on them and fusion down the road from me will not work.

This is my understanding of things.

But your understanding of things is so very limited. For example, you don't realize that you've just admitted that your challenge is pretty much a fraud and a joke.
Hm, personally I think my five Challenges (http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm ) are serious and fun.  But plenty persons are not able to understand it. Poor, shitty people!
It's not at all serious because you know as well as everyone else it's unwinnable.  I know people who were there and saw the towers come down exactly as it was seen on TV.  My brother-in-law is a firefighter in NJ and spent a lot of time at ground zero.

However, you won't except any eye witness accounts, you will contend that every photo and video is fake so short of  bringing down another skyscraper there is not one single piece of evidence you would ever consider credible and that is why it is unwinnable.

So, why even make the challenge?

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: FlatAssembler on July 10, 2017, 02:06:52 AM
Heiwa, what do you think about my parody of the conspiracy theorists I linked to in my signature?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 10, 2017, 03:08:54 AM
Perhaps I should be a little more careful with my wording but in general Heiwa's money is safe and so is mine.  ;)

Edit: I fixed it.

Of course my money is and was always safe, as nobody could ever win my Challenges. A-bombs do not work, human space travel does not work, bow visors on ships are just decorations of the superstructure, seven NY office buildings were not detroyed in a couple of hours due to Arabs landing planes on them and fusion down the road from me will not work.

This is my understanding of things.

But your understanding of things is so very limited. For example, you don't realize that you've just admitted that your challenge is pretty much a fraud and a joke.
Hm, personally I think my five Challenges (http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm ) are serious and fun.  But plenty persons are not able to understand it. Poor, shitty people!
It's not at all serious because you know as well as everyone else it's unwinnable.  I know people who were there and saw the towers come down exactly as it was seen on TV.  My brother-in-law is a firefighter in NJ and spent a lot of time at ground zero.

However, you won't except any eye witness accounts, you will contend that every photo and video is fake so short of  bringing down another skyscraper there is not one single piece of evidence you would ever consider credible and that is why it is unwinnable.

So, why even make the challenge?

Mike
Hm, re my weak top part C crushes strong, intact bottom part A Challenge - the 911 Challenge - you do not win it by saying you know people seeing C crushing A or that your sister's husband was cleaning up after C crushing A.
No, you just have to read the rules - http://heiwaco.com/chall1.htm .

They are not difficult!

Just take any structure A+C you have! Disconnect top C of this structure and drop it on bottom A of the structure!

If C crushes A I will pay you €1M!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 10, 2017, 03:12:31 AM
Heiwa, what do you think about my parody of the conspiracy theorists I linked to in my signature?
Your parody is ridiculous and stupid.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 10, 2017, 04:31:35 AM

Hm, personally I think my five Challenges (http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm ) are serious and fun.  But plenty persons are not able to understand it. Poor, shitty people!
It's not at all serious because you know as well as everyone else it's unwinnable.  I know people who were there and saw the towers come down exactly as it was seen on TV.  My brother-in-law is a firefighter in NJ and spent a lot of time at ground zero.

However, you won't except any eye witness accounts, you will contend that every photo and video is fake so short of  bringing down another skyscraper there is not one single piece of evidence you would ever consider credible and that is why it is unwinnable.

So, why even make the challenge?

Mike
Hm, re my weak top part C crushes strong, intact bottom part A Challenge - the 911 Challenge - you do not win it by saying you know people seeing C crushing A or that your sister's husband was cleaning up after C crushing A.

Thanks Dr. Obvious.  I already said you wouldn’t except eye witness accounts in my post. 

BTW, there were the tens of thousands of eye witnesses.  All of whom, according to you, are liars.

No, you just have to read the rules - http://heiwaco.com/chall1.htm .

They are not difficult!

Just take any structure A+C you have! Disconnect top C of this structure and drop it on bottom A of the structure!

If C crushes A I will pay you €1M!
That’s already been done.  Several engineering firms and universities ran finite element modeling proving how the collapse happened.  You can download them yourself, including all the input data. 

Since you’re and engineer and you profess to be an expert in 3D modeling and dynamic analysis on a level that is more difficult that nuclear physics, you should easily be able to determine whether or not the analyses are accurate.

Which begs the question, since you are an expert in dynamic analysis, why is it that the graphics on your website are so simplistic?  Where are the stress plots, deflection plots, and 3D simulations?  With your expertise you could easily produce the necessary finite element analyses to prove your theory. 

If your theory is true is should be child’s play for someone with your expertise to provide analytical proof.   Instead you provide the kind of graphics my grand-niece could have made on her iPad.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: markjo on July 10, 2017, 05:32:04 AM
Are you kidding?  He won't even accept videos like this showing the same type of collapse that has actually been patented in Europe.  The patent documentation, it isn't necessary to pre-weaken the supporting structure,
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Badxtoss on July 10, 2017, 05:34:33 AM
Are you kidding?  He won't even accept videos like this showing the same type of collapse that has actually been patented in Europe.  The patent documentation, it isn't necessary to pre-weaken the supporting structure,

But of course that is ridiculous.  You really have to study his very popular website if you want to win the challenge.  Only stupid people or those suffering from cognitive dissonance believe anyone but him.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: markjo on July 10, 2017, 06:14:03 AM
Heiwa, what do you think about my parody of the conspiracy theorists I linked to in my signature?
Your parody is ridiculous and stupid.
But it's not nearly as stupid as using yellow text. ::)
Hm, re my weak top part C crushes strong, intact bottom part A Challenge - the 911 Challenge - you do not win it by saying you know people seeing C crushing A or that your sister's husband was cleaning up after C crushing A.



Just take any structure A+C you have! Disconnect top C of this structure and drop it on bottom A of the structure!

If C crushes A I will pay you €1M!

Do you mean like in this video?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 10, 2017, 07:11:30 PM
That video seems to meed all of Heiwa's criteria as he outlined it a couple of posts above.

Wait for it....
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on July 10, 2017, 07:49:38 PM
That video seems to meed all of Heiwa's criteria as he outlined it a couple of posts above.

Wait for it....

You don't seem to understand. The Challenge cannot be won. This conclusion has been reached a priori. Any evidence to the contrary is a stupid joke and only twerps twirps believe it.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 11, 2017, 02:08:08 AM
That video seems to meed all of Heiwa's criteria as he outlined it a couple of posts above.

Wait for it....

You don't seem to understand. The Challenge cannot be won. This conclusion has been reached a priori. Any evidence to the contrary is a stupid joke and only twerps twirps believe it.
I do understand.  I said as much a few posts up.  It was also why the "Wait for it...." :D

I called him out on his analysis skills.  We'll see what he has to say about that.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on July 11, 2017, 06:54:06 AM
That video seems to meed all of Heiwa's criteria as he outlined it a couple of posts above.

Wait for it....

You don't seem to understand. The Challenge cannot be won. This conclusion has been reached a priori. Any evidence to the contrary is a stupid joke and only twerps twirps believe it.
I do understand.  I said as much a few posts up.  It was also why the "Wait for it...." :D

I called him out on his analysis skills.  We'll see what he has to say about that.

Mike
Sounds good.  ;D
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 11, 2017, 12:40:04 PM
That video seems to meed all of Heiwa's criteria as he outlined it a couple of posts above.

Wait for it....

Well, applying wires from the ground to apply force on the top has nothing to do with my http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm . Still open. €1M to win!

You must drop the top! While not weaking the bottom.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: markjo on July 11, 2017, 01:31:07 PM
That video seems to meed all of Heiwa's criteria as he outlined it a couple of posts above.

Wait for it....

Well, applying wires from the ground to apply force on the top has nothing to do with my http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm . Still open. €1M to win!

You must drop the top! While note weaking the bottom.
All the wires did was to pull out the supporting walls for the upper floors.  The patent mentioned towards the end of the video says that the lower floors don't need to be weakened.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: onebigmonkey on July 11, 2017, 01:49:03 PM
Heiwa's bible

(http://i68.tinypic.com/dzw4ev.jpg)
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Badxtoss on July 11, 2017, 02:23:09 PM
That video seems to meed all of Heiwa's criteria as he outlined it a couple of posts above.

Wait for it....

Well, applying wires from the ground to apply force on the top has nothing to do with my http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm . Still open. €1M to win!

You must drop the top! While note weaking the bottom.
Which is exactly what they did, drop the top without weakening the bottom.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 11, 2017, 02:39:48 PM
That video seems to meed all of Heiwa's criteria as he outlined it a couple of posts above.

Wait for it....

Well, applying wires from the ground to apply force on the top has nothing to do with my http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm . Still open. €1M to win!

You must drop the top! While note weaking the bottom.
That's exactly what that video shows.  The wires released the final section of the top floors which then dropped through the lower floors.

The whole point of the video was proof of concept to could bring down the building without having to do the additional work to weaken the lower floors and without explosives.

It is even patented.

https://data.epo.org/publication-server/getpdf.jsp?pn=1082505&ki=B1&cc=EP

The patent it states:

"Moreover, this method is also safe for operators because it is not necessary to weaken the structure of the building."

This is exactly the proof you requested.  A patented method of bringing down a building from the top down without having to weaken the structure.

AAMOF, this took place not far from you.  You can no longer say it isn't possible and you should be able to verify the procedure and the patent.  You now owe someone €1M...although, I'm not sure who.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on July 11, 2017, 02:40:54 PM
Classic Heiwa reply in 5....4...3....2.....1....
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 11, 2017, 02:42:43 PM
Classic Heiwa reply in 5....4...3....2.....1....
ROTFLMAO
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on July 11, 2017, 02:54:46 PM
Heiwa's Posts Requirements

--Shamelessly plug website
--Insult previous poster
--Ignore all evidence
--Shamelessly plug website again
--Arquement from incredulity over and over again
--Talk about shit and piss
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Kami on July 12, 2017, 12:31:36 AM
I am curious how he will wiggle himself out of this one...
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 12, 2017, 02:57:57 AM
He's been here today and even edited his previous post.  He's afraid of commenting because he knows he lost.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Pezevenk on July 12, 2017, 03:29:30 AM
He's been here today and even edited his previous post.  He's afraid of commenting because he knows he lost.

Mike

Nah, I think he's just gone to his bank to send the millions.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Kami on July 12, 2017, 03:37:15 AM
He's been here today and even edited his previous post.  He's afraid of commenting because he knows he lost.

Mike

Nah, I think he's just gone to his bank to send the millions.
But to whom? And does he have the bank details?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 12, 2017, 03:57:28 AM
He's been here today and even edited his previous post.  He's afraid of commenting because he knows he lost.

Mike

Nah, I think he's just gone to his bank to send the millions.
But to whom? And does he have the bank details?
After thinking about it, markjo should get the money since he provided the evidence in this thread.  Heiwa owes markjo €1,000,000.00.

Drinks are on markjo. :D

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: frenat on July 12, 2017, 05:08:07 AM
I am curious how he will wiggle himself out of this one...
Most likely a combination of a denial without reason, ignoring and hoping people forget about it, and insults.  That's all he's got.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on July 12, 2017, 05:14:11 AM
CONGRATULATIONS MARKJO!
 CONGRATULATIONS MARKJO!
CONGRATULATIONS MARKJO! CONGRATULATIONS MARKJO!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: markjo on July 12, 2017, 05:26:31 AM
He's been here today and even edited his previous post.  He's afraid of commenting because he knows he lost.

Mike

Nah, I think he's just gone to his bank to send the millions.
But to whom? And does he have the bank details?
After thinking about it, markjo should get the money since he provided the evidence in this thread.  Heiwa owes markjo €1,000,000.00.

Drinks are on markjo. :D

Mike
Meh.  I provide that same video months ago and he still hasn't paid, so I'm not going to hold my breath.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 12, 2017, 05:43:05 AM
He's been here today and even edited his previous post.  He's afraid of commenting because he knows he lost.

Mike

Nah, I think he's just gone to his bank to send the millions.
But to whom? And does he have the bank details?
After thinking about it, markjo should get the money since he provided the evidence in this thread.  Heiwa owes markjo €1,000,000.00.

Drinks are on markjo. :D

Mike
Meh.  I provide that same video months ago and he still hasn't paid, so I'm not going to hold my breath.
We just badger the shit out of him until he at least admits it's possible.  Any time he posts anywhere we follow right behind him. :D
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: frenat on July 12, 2017, 05:54:28 AM
He's been here today and even edited his previous post.  He's afraid of commenting because he knows he lost.

Mike

Nah, I think he's just gone to his bank to send the millions.
But to whom? And does he have the bank details?
After thinking about it, markjo should get the money since he provided the evidence in this thread.  Heiwa owes markjo €1,000,000.00.

Drinks are on markjo. :D

Mike
Meh.  I provide that same video months ago and he still hasn't paid, so I'm not going to hold my breath.
Hard to pay when his ego won't ever let him admit he's wrong.  Of course there is the fact that he has been unable to prove he has even a tenth of the money for years now.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: markjo on July 12, 2017, 06:10:06 AM
He's been here today and even edited his previous post.  He's afraid of commenting because he knows he lost.

Mike

Nah, I think he's just gone to his bank to send the millions.
But to whom? And does he have the bank details?
After thinking about it, markjo should get the money since he provided the evidence in this thread.  Heiwa owes markjo €1,000,000.00.

Drinks are on markjo. :D

Mike
Meh.  I provide that same video months ago and he still hasn't paid, so I'm not going to hold my breath.
We just badger the shit out of him until he at least admits it's possible.  Any time he posts anywhere we follow right behind him. :D
Nah.  His "rules" clearly state that the challenges are unwinnable, so winning a challenge is against his rules.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 12, 2017, 06:34:05 AM
He's been here today and even edited his previous post.  He's afraid of commenting because he knows he lost.

Mike

Nah, I think he's just gone to his bank to send the millions.
But to whom? And does he have the bank details?
After thinking about it, markjo should get the money since he provided the evidence in this thread.  Heiwa owes markjo €1,000,000.00.

Drinks are on markjo. :D

Mike
Meh.  I provide that same video months ago and he still hasn't paid, so I'm not going to hold my breath.
We just badger the shit out of him until he at least admits it's possible.  Any time he posts anywhere we follow right behind him. :D
Nah.  His "rules" clearly state that the challenges are unwinnable, so winning a challenge is against his rules.
No much of a challenge then.  ;D

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 12, 2017, 08:40:06 AM
He's been here today and even edited his previous post.  He's afraid of commenting because he knows he lost.

Mike

Nah, I think he's just gone to his bank to send the millions.
But to whom? And does he have the bank details?
After thinking about it, markjo should get the money since he provided the evidence in this thread.  Heiwa owes markjo €1,000,000.00.

Drinks are on markjo. :D

Mike
Meh.  I provide that same video months ago and he still hasn't paid, so I'm not going to hold my breath.
We just badger the shit out of him until he at least admits it's possible.  Any time he posts anywhere we follow right behind him. :D
Nah.  His "rules" clearly state that the challenges are unwinnable, so winning a challenge is against his rules.
No much of a challenge then.  ;D

Well, my Challenges - http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm - are still open and 1 000's of people have studied them and ... failed.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 12, 2017, 09:04:06 AM
He's been here today and even edited his previous post.  He's afraid of commenting because he knows he lost.

Mike

Nah, I think he's just gone to his bank to send the millions.
But to whom? And does he have the bank details?
After thinking about it, markjo should get the money since he provided the evidence in this thread.  Heiwa owes markjo €1,000,000.00.

Drinks are on markjo. :D

Mike
Meh.  I provide that same video months ago and he still hasn't paid, so I'm not going to hold my breath.
We just badger the shit out of him until he at least admits it's possible.  Any time he posts anywhere we follow right behind him. :D
Nah.  His "rules" clearly state that the challenges are unwinnable, so winning a challenge is against his rules.
No much of a challenge then.  ;D

Well, my Challenges - http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm - are still open and 1 000's of people have studied them and ... failed.
So, you refuse to accept the patent in your own country for bringing down a building that exactly matches your challenge.  Is that what you're saying?

Let's see if you have the balls to explain why that patent and demonstration don't meet the challenge.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 12, 2017, 09:29:16 AM

So, you refuse to accept the patent in your own country for bringing down a building that exactly matches your challenge.  Is that what you're saying?

Let's see if you have the balls to explain why that patent and demonstration don't meet the challenge.

Mike

I don't know any French or other patent you refer to.

On the other hand I recommend you study my peer reviewed paper why weak tops C of structures cannot crush the instact bottom A of same structure, when you drop C on A.
The link is http://heiwaco.com/emi2013.htm

Do you really think I am wrong?

I on the other hand EMI was pretty uncivilized to censor my presentation. What do you think, Einstein?

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 12, 2017, 09:37:15 AM

So, you refuse to accept the patent in your own country for bringing down a building that exactly matches your challenge.  Is that what you're saying?

Let's see if you have the balls to explain why that patent and demonstration don't meet the challenge.

Mike

I don't know any French or other patent you refer to.

On the other hand I recommend you study my peer reviewed paper why weak tops C of structures cannot crush the instact bottom A of same structure, when you drop C on A.
The link is http://heiwaco.com/emi2013.htm

Do you really think I am wrong?

I on the other hand EMI was pretty uncivilized to censor my presentation. What do you think, Einstein?
You really don’t read people’s posts do you? 

Below is the video and link to the European patent by a French company.


Well, applying wires from the ground to apply force on the top has nothing to do with my http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm . Still open. €1M to win!

You must drop the top! While note weaking the bottom.
That's exactly what that video shows.  The wires released the final section of the top floors which then dropped through the lower floors.

The whole point of the video was proof of concept to could bring down the building without having to do the additional work to weaken the lower floors and without explosives.

It is even patented.

https://data.epo.org/publication-server/getpdf.jsp?pn=1082505&ki=B1&cc=EP

The patent it states:

"Moreover, this method is also safe for operators because it is not necessary to weaken the structure of the building."

This is exactly the proof you requested.  A patented method of bringing down a building from the top down without having to weaken the structure.

AAMOF, this took place not far from you.  You can no longer say it isn't possible and you should be able to verify the procedure and the patent.  You now owe someone €1M...although, I'm not sure who.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 12, 2017, 09:46:25 AM

So, you refuse to accept the patent in your own country for bringing down a building that exactly matches your challenge.  Is that what you're saying?

Let's see if you have the balls to explain why that patent and demonstration don't meet the challenge.

Mike

I don't know any French or other patent you refer to.

On the other hand I recommend you study my peer reviewed paper why weak tops C of structures cannot crush the instact bottom A of same structure, when you drop C on A.
The link is http://heiwaco.com/emi2013.htm

Do you really think I am wrong?

I on the other hand EMI was pretty uncivilized to censor my presentation. What do you think, Einstein?
You really don’t read people’s posts do you? 

Below is the video and link to the European patent by a French company.


Well, applying wires from the ground to apply force on the top has nothing to do with my http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm . Still open. €1M to win!

You must drop the top! While note weaking the bottom.
That's exactly what that video shows.  The wires released the final section of the top floors which then dropped through the lower floors.

The whole point of the video was proof of concept to could bring down the building without having to do the additional work to weaken the lower floors and without explosives.

It is even patented.

https://data.epo.org/publication-server/getpdf.jsp?pn=1082505&ki=B1&cc=EP

The patent it states:

"Moreover, this method is also safe for operators because it is not necessary to weaken the structure of the building."

This is exactly the proof you requested.  A patented method of bringing down a building from the top down without having to weaken the structure.

AAMOF, this took place not far from you.  You can no longer say it isn't possible and you should be able to verify the procedure and the patent.  You now owe someone €1M...although, I'm not sure who.

Mike

But the method doesn't work. It is not illegal to patent things that do not work.

What do you think about my scientific paper about it?

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 12, 2017, 09:52:38 AM

So, you refuse to accept the patent in your own country for bringing down a building that exactly matches your challenge.  Is that what you're saying?

Let's see if you have the balls to explain why that patent and demonstration don't meet the challenge.

Mike

I don't know any French or other patent you refer to.

On the other hand I recommend you study my peer reviewed paper why weak tops C of structures cannot crush the instact bottom A of same structure, when you drop C on A.
The link is http://heiwaco.com/emi2013.htm

Do you really think I am wrong?

I on the other hand EMI was pretty uncivilized to censor my presentation. What do you think, Einstein?
You really don’t read people’s posts do you? 

Below is the video and link to the European patent by a French company.


Well, applying wires from the ground to apply force on the top has nothing to do with my http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm . Still open. €1M to win!

You must drop the top! While note weaking the bottom.
That's exactly what that video shows.  The wires released the final section of the top floors which then dropped through the lower floors.

The whole point of the video was proof of concept to could bring down the building without having to do the additional work to weaken the lower floors and without explosives.

It is even patented.

https://data.epo.org/publication-server/getpdf.jsp?pn=1082505&ki=B1&cc=EP

The patent it states:

"Moreover, this method is also safe for operators because it is not necessary to weaken the structure of the building."

This is exactly the proof you requested.  A patented method of bringing down a building from the top down without having to weaken the structure.

AAMOF, this took place not far from you.  You can no longer say it isn't possible and you should be able to verify the procedure and the patent.  You now owe someone €1M...although, I'm not sure who.

Mike

But the method doesn't work. It is not illegal to patent things that do not work.

What do you think about my scientific paper about it?
There is a video showing it works and a legally issued European patent.

Guess what.  That makes you are wrong.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 12, 2017, 10:24:42 AM

So, you refuse to accept the patent in your own country for bringing down a building that exactly matches your challenge.  Is that what you're saying?

Let's see if you have the balls to explain why that patent and demonstration don't meet the challenge.

Mike

I don't know any French or other patent you refer to.

On the other hand I recommend you study my peer reviewed paper why weak tops C of structures cannot crush the instact bottom A of same structure, when you drop C on A.
The link is http://heiwaco.com/emi2013.htm

Do you really think I am wrong?

I on the other hand EMI was pretty uncivilized to censor my presentation. What do you think, Einstein?
You really don’t read people’s posts do you? 

Below is the video and link to the European patent by a French company.


Well, applying wires from the ground to apply force on the top has nothing to do with my http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm . Still open. €1M to win!

You must drop the top! While note weaking the bottom.
That's exactly what that video shows.  The wires released the final section of the top floors which then dropped through the lower floors.

The whole point of the video was proof of concept to could bring down the building without having to do the additional work to weaken the lower floors and without explosives.

It is even patented.

https://data.epo.org/publication-server/getpdf.jsp?pn=1082505&ki=B1&cc=EP

The patent it states:

"Moreover, this method is also safe for operators because it is not necessary to weaken the structure of the building."

This is exactly the proof you requested.  A patented method of bringing down a building from the top down without having to weaken the structure.

AAMOF, this took place not far from you.  You can no longer say it isn't possible and you should be able to verify the procedure and the patent.  You now owe someone €1M...although, I'm not sure who.

Mike

But the method doesn't work. It is not illegal to patent things that do not work.

What do you think about my scientific paper about it?
There is a video showing it works and a legally issued European patent.

Guess what.  That makes you are wrong.

No. To bring down the structure as shown in the video the bottom of the structure was weakened ... and the simplest way would then have been just to knock away the bottom structure completely, etc, etc.

The wires attached to the top to pull the top down are just ridiculous. You cannot pull down a top of a structure to crush the bottom by applying a force, via wires, to the top. I am sorry but you have been fooled.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 12, 2017, 10:33:23 AM

So, you refuse to accept the patent in your own country for bringing down a building that exactly matches your challenge.  Is that what you're saying?

Let's see if you have the balls to explain why that patent and demonstration don't meet the challenge.

Mike

I don't know any French or other patent you refer to.

On the other hand I recommend you study my peer reviewed paper why weak tops C of structures cannot crush the instact bottom A of same structure, when you drop C on A.
The link is http://heiwaco.com/emi2013.htm

Do you really think I am wrong?

I on the other hand EMI was pretty uncivilized to censor my presentation. What do you think, Einstein?
You really don’t read people’s posts do you? 

Below is the video and link to the European patent by a French company.


Well, applying wires from the ground to apply force on the top has nothing to do with my http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm . Still open. €1M to win!

You must drop the top! While note weaking the bottom.
That's exactly what that video shows.  The wires released the final section of the top floors which then dropped through the lower floors.

The whole point of the video was proof of concept to could bring down the building without having to do the additional work to weaken the lower floors and without explosives.

It is even patented.

https://data.epo.org/publication-server/getpdf.jsp?pn=1082505&ki=B1&cc=EP

The patent it states:

"Moreover, this method is also safe for operators because it is not necessary to weaken the structure of the building."

This is exactly the proof you requested.  A patented method of bringing down a building from the top down without having to weaken the structure.

AAMOF, this took place not far from you.  You can no longer say it isn't possible and you should be able to verify the procedure and the patent.  You now owe someone €1M...although, I'm not sure who.

Mike

But the method doesn't work. It is not illegal to patent things that do not work.

What do you think about my scientific paper about it?
There is a video showing it works and a legally issued European patent.

Guess what.  That makes you are wrong.

No. To bring down the structure as shown in the video the bottom of the structure was weakened ... and the simplest way would then have been just to knock away the bottom structure completely, etc, etc.

The wires attached to the top to pull the top down are just ridiculous. You cannot pull down a top of a structure to crush the bottom by applying a force, via wires, to the top. I am sorry but you have been fooled.
So you're going to fall back on the conspiracy theory.  They faked the video and falsified the patent application.  All of which you have absolutely no proof of.   

That's the kind of critical thinking non-thinking I've come to expect from you.  You'll just make shit up rather than admit you're wrong.

It's a French company so you could just call and talk to them...but we all know you won't.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 12, 2017, 10:58:38 AM

So, you refuse to accept the patent in your own country for bringing down a building that exactly matches your challenge.  Is that what you're saying?

Let's see if you have the balls to explain why that patent and demonstration don't meet the challenge.

Mike

I don't know any French or other patent you refer to.

On the other hand I recommend you study my peer reviewed paper why weak tops C of structures cannot crush the instact bottom A of same structure, when you drop C on A.
The link is http://heiwaco.com/emi2013.htm

Do you really think I am wrong?

I on the other hand EMI was pretty uncivilized to censor my presentation. What do you think, Einstein?
You really don’t read people’s posts do you? 

Below is the video and link to the European patent by a French company.


Well, applying wires from the ground to apply force on the top has nothing to do with my http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm . Still open. €1M to win!

You must drop the top! While note weaking the bottom.
That's exactly what that video shows.  The wires released the final section of the top floors which then dropped through the lower floors.

The whole point of the video was proof of concept to could bring down the building without having to do the additional work to weaken the lower floors and without explosives.

It is even patented.

https://data.epo.org/publication-server/getpdf.jsp?pn=1082505&ki=B1&cc=EP

The patent it states:

"Moreover, this method is also safe for operators because it is not necessary to weaken the structure of the building."

This is exactly the proof you requested.  A patented method of bringing down a building from the top down without having to weaken the structure.

AAMOF, this took place not far from you.  You can no longer say it isn't possible and you should be able to verify the procedure and the patent.  You now owe someone €1M...although, I'm not sure who.

Mike

But the method doesn't work. It is not illegal to patent things that do not work.

What do you think about my scientific paper about it?
There is a video showing it works and a legally issued European patent.

Guess what.  That makes you are wrong.

No. To bring down the structure as shown in the video the bottom of the structure was weakened ... and the simplest way would then have been just to knock away the bottom structure completely, etc, etc.

The wires attached to the top to pull the top down are just ridiculous. You cannot pull down a top of a structure to crush the bottom by applying a force, via wires, to the top. I am sorry but you have been fooled.
So you're going to fall back on the conspiracy theory.  They faked the video and falsified the patent application.  All of which you have absolutely no proof of.   

That's the kind of critical thinking non-thinking I've come to expect from you.  You'll just make shit up rather than admit you're wrong.

It's a French company so you could just call and talk to them...but we all know you won't.

Mike

Conspiracy theory? No, it is not my style. See http://heiwaco.com . No, I just examine various things and events like a-bombs 1945, human space travel 1969, accidents at sea all the time, Arabs flying planes 2001 and suggest more realistic explanations. I find it satisfying and fun.

Re destroying structures/building - do you really believe that connecting wires to the weak top of the structure/building and applying pulling forces via winches on the ground to the top, that the strong bottom structure will fail ... and the whole structure collapse?

Sorry, it doesn't work like that.

I think the French 'idea' is just a joke. And that stupid people believe in it.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: onebigmonkey on July 12, 2017, 11:11:06 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/0SBNVCD.jpg)

You just can't help it can you.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 12, 2017, 11:56:15 AM

So, you refuse to accept the patent in your own country for bringing down a building that exactly matches your challenge.  Is that what you're saying?

Let's see if you have the balls to explain why that patent and demonstration don't meet the challenge.

Mike

I don't know any French or other patent you refer to.

On the other hand I recommend you study my peer reviewed paper why weak tops C of structures cannot crush the instact bottom A of same structure, when you drop C on A.
The link is http://heiwaco.com/emi2013.htm

Do you really think I am wrong?

I on the other hand EMI was pretty uncivilized to censor my presentation. What do you think, Einstein?
You really don’t read people’s posts do you? 

Below is the video and link to the European patent by a French company.


Well, applying wires from the ground to apply force on the top has nothing to do with my http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm . Still open. €1M to win!

You must drop the top! While note weaking the bottom.
That's exactly what that video shows.  The wires released the final section of the top floors which then dropped through the lower floors.

The whole point of the video was proof of concept to could bring down the building without having to do the additional work to weaken the lower floors and without explosives.

It is even patented.

https://data.epo.org/publication-server/getpdf.jsp?pn=1082505&ki=B1&cc=EP

The patent it states:

"Moreover, this method is also safe for operators because it is not necessary to weaken the structure of the building."

This is exactly the proof you requested.  A patented method of bringing down a building from the top down without having to weaken the structure.

AAMOF, this took place not far from you.  You can no longer say it isn't possible and you should be able to verify the procedure and the patent.  You now owe someone €1M...although, I'm not sure who.

Mike

But the method doesn't work. It is not illegal to patent things that do not work.

What do you think about my scientific paper about it?
There is a video showing it works and a legally issued European patent.

Guess what.  That makes you are wrong.

No. To bring down the structure as shown in the video the bottom of the structure was weakened ... and the simplest way would then have been just to knock away the bottom structure completely, etc, etc.

The wires attached to the top to pull the top down are just ridiculous. You cannot pull down a top of a structure to crush the bottom by applying a force, via wires, to the top. I am sorry but you have been fooled.
So you're going to fall back on the conspiracy theory.  They faked the video and falsified the patent application.  All of which you have absolutely no proof of.   

That's the kind of critical thinking non-thinking I've come to expect from you.  You'll just make shit up rather than admit you're wrong.

It's a French company so you could just call and talk to them...but we all know you won't.

Mike

Conspiracy theory? No, it is not my style. See http://heiwaco.com . No, I just examine various things and events like a-bombs 1945, human space travel 1969, accidents at sea all the time, Arabs flying planes 2001 and suggest more realistic explanations. I find it satisfying and fun.

Re destroying structures/building - do you really believe that connecting wires to the weak top of the structure/building and applying pulling forces via winches on the ground to the top, that the strong bottom structure will fail ... and the whole structure collapse?

Sorry, it doesn't work like that.

I think the French 'idea' is just a joke. And that stupid people believe in it.
You don't have any clue what you just did do you?  Dude, you are a law suit away from the poor house.

You had better be very, very careful what you say.  It's one thing to lie in support your own bat shit crazy conspiracy theories.  It's a whole other thing to lie about a local company without any evidence. Damaging a companies reputation by accusing them of illegally falsifying their patent application and test data could land you in court.  You could lose your €1,000,000.00 on that alone.

BTW, any theory that relies on government cover ups and collusion between governments (e.g. your a-bomb and moon landing theories) is by definition a conspiracy theory.  You just don't have the balls to admit it.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Badxtoss on July 12, 2017, 12:01:58 PM

So, you refuse to accept the patent in your own country for bringing down a building that exactly matches your challenge.  Is that what you're saying?

Let's see if you have the balls to explain why that patent and demonstration don't meet the challenge.

Mike

I don't know any French or other patent you refer to.

On the other hand I recommend you study my peer reviewed paper why weak tops C of structures cannot crush the instact bottom A of same structure, when you drop C on A.
The link is http://heiwaco.com/emi2013.htm

Do you really think I am wrong?

I on the other hand EMI was pretty uncivilized to censor my presentation. What do you think, Einstein?
You've been proven wrong and you know exactly which video he is referring to. 
Also, can you please link to journal that published your paper?  You know one you said was peer reviewed.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 12, 2017, 12:28:44 PM

So, you refuse to accept the patent in your own country for bringing down a building that exactly matches your challenge.  Is that what you're saying?

Let's see if you have the balls to explain why that patent and demonstration don't meet the challenge.

Mike

I don't know any French or other patent you refer to.

On the other hand I recommend you study my peer reviewed paper why weak tops C of structures cannot crush the instact bottom A of same structure, when you drop C on A.
The link is http://heiwaco.com/emi2013.htm

Do you really think I am wrong?

I on the other hand EMI was pretty uncivilized to censor my presentation. What do you think, Einstein?
You really don’t read people’s posts do you? 

Below is the video and link to the European patent by a French company.


Well, applying wires from the ground to apply force on the top has nothing to do with my http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm . Still open. €1M to win!

You must drop the top! While note weaking the bottom.
That's exactly what that video shows.  The wires released the final section of the top floors which then dropped through the lower floors.

The whole point of the video was proof of concept to could bring down the building without having to do the additional work to weaken the lower floors and without explosives.

It is even patented.

https://data.epo.org/publication-server/getpdf.jsp?pn=1082505&ki=B1&cc=EP

The patent it states:

"Moreover, this method is also safe for operators because it is not necessary to weaken the structure of the building."

This is exactly the proof you requested.  A patented method of bringing down a building from the top down without having to weaken the structure.

AAMOF, this took place not far from you.  You can no longer say it isn't possible and you should be able to verify the procedure and the patent.  You now owe someone €1M...although, I'm not sure who.

Mike

But the method doesn't work. It is not illegal to patent things that do not work.

What do you think about my scientific paper about it?
There is a video showing it works and a legally issued European patent.

Guess what.  That makes you are wrong.

No. To bring down the structure as shown in the video the bottom of the structure was weakened ... and the simplest way would then have been just to knock away the bottom structure completely, etc, etc.

The wires attached to the top to pull the top down are just ridiculous. You cannot pull down a top of a structure to crush the bottom by applying a force, via wires, to the top. I am sorry but you have been fooled.
So you're going to fall back on the conspiracy theory.  They faked the video and falsified the patent application.  All of which you have absolutely no proof of.   

That's the kind of critical thinking non-thinking I've come to expect from you.  You'll just make shit up rather than admit you're wrong.

It's a French company so you could just call and talk to them...but we all know you won't.

Mike

Conspiracy theory? No, it is not my style. See http://heiwaco.com . No, I just examine various things and events like a-bombs 1945, human space travel 1969, accidents at sea all the time, Arabs flying planes 2001 and suggest more realistic explanations. I find it satisfying and fun.

Re destroying structures/building - do you really believe that connecting wires to the weak top of the structure/building and applying pulling forces via winches on the ground to the top, that the strong bottom structure will fail ... and the whole structure collapse?

Sorry, it doesn't work like that.

I think the French 'idea' is just a joke. And that stupid people believe in it.
You don't have any clue what you just did do you?  Dude, you are a law suit away from the poor house.

You had better be very, very careful what you say.  It's one thing to lie in support your own bat shit crazy conspiracy theories.  It's a whole other thing to lie about a local company without any evidence. Damaging a companies reputation by accusing them of illegally falsifying their patent application and test data could land you in court.  You could lose your €1,000,000.00 on that alone.

BTW, any theory that relies on government cover ups and collusion between governments (e.g. your a-bomb and moon landing theories) is by definition a conspiracy theory.  You just don't have the balls to admit it.

Mike

Well, I have been sued several times in France ... and normally I win. Great fun. Keeps the lawyers busy.

If a French company with a patent to pull down buildings or structures with wires applied to the top wants to sue me ... welcome.

Re a-bombs and moon landings same thing. I just show they never happened. It was all propaganda. Sue me ... and I will prove I am right.

I need attention and you are my man, Mike.

But I assume I cannot pay you enough.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: markjo on July 12, 2017, 12:47:18 PM
But the method doesn't work. It is not illegal to patent things that do not work.

What do you think about my scientific paper about it?

Have spoken with the good folks at BCT Demolition?  I'm sure that they'd love to have a look at your "scientific paper" and discuss in great detail why the technique that they publicly demonstrated shouldn't work.  However, I can't vouch for their coffee.

http://www.bct-demolition.com/contact.html
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 12, 2017, 01:22:35 PM
But the method doesn't work. It is not illegal to patent things that do not work.

What do you think about my scientific paper about it?

Have spoken with the good folks at BCT Demolition?  I'm sure that they'd love to have a look at your "scientific paper" and discuss in great detail why the technique that they publicly demonstrated shouldn't work.  However, I can't vouch for their coffee.

http://www.bct-demolition.com/contact.html

Who did you speak to? In what language! Anyway, just tell her/him that I pay anyone €1M demonstrating a top down structural collapse à la 911 at NY.
Majko? Why do you waste your time with all your stupid comments here? Are you handicapped and cannot use your legs and brain? Just chained to your PC in bed?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Kami on July 12, 2017, 03:25:14 PM
I need attention

That, dear heiwa, is fairly obvious to everyone.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Pezevenk on July 12, 2017, 03:38:00 PM
But the method doesn't work. It is not illegal to patent things that do not work.

What do you think about my scientific paper about it?

Have spoken with the good folks at BCT Demolition?  I'm sure that they'd love to have a look at your "scientific paper" and discuss in great detail why the technique that they publicly demonstrated shouldn't work.  However, I can't vouch for their coffee.

http://www.bct-demolition.com/contact.html

Who did you speak to? In what language! Anyway, just tell her/him that I pay anyone €1M demonstrating a top down structural collapse à la 911 at NY.
Majko? Why do you waste your time with all your stupid comments here? Are you handicapped and cannot use your legs and brain? Just chained to your PC in bed?

Don't tell us, tell the BCT people. For  ::)1 million ::) they'll demonstrate it to you in person. They may even bring your house down if you really want to.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 12, 2017, 05:07:51 PM
Please actually read the whole post before responding. 

Here is the one thing your website doesn’t address but needs to.  AAMOF, without explaining this your entire moon hoax theory completely falls apart. 
 
There are currently 12 countries and the European Space Agency with over 2200 satellites in orbit.  Some even belong to private companies like DIRECTV, Echostar, & Sirius/XM, etc.  Not to mention all the data, pictures, and video.  The following is a short list of missions other than satellites:

6 moon landings
135 shuttle flights
MIR
Skylab
Apollo-Soyuz
The Japanese SELENE lunar orbiter
Hundreds of manned & unmanned missions to the ISS
Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter and dozens more beyond the moon

To fake all of this and have it remains a secret to this day requires tens of thousands of people and over two dozen countries to keep the secret.  People can’t keep secrets.  To think that literally thousands of flights into space can be faked and nobody know about it is just plain silly.  Especially in the day and age.  Anyone sitting on this secret knows that with just a little planning they could release all that information and there isn’t squat any nation or agency can do to stop it.  How long has Assange and Snowden eluded capture and how much information did they release?  And yet, with nearly three dozen countries involved and over the six decades of space travel nobody has even hinted there is a global conspiracy let along leaked any real documents or any whistle blowers talking. 

That very fact that nobody has leaked the conspiracy is itself proof that we went to the moon.  Unless you can explain how is possible for what would probably the largest conspiracy in the history of mankind to remain a secret for 60 years the rest of your moon hoax website is meaningless.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 12, 2017, 06:51:34 PM
Please actually read the whole post before responding. 

Here is the one thing your website doesn’t address but needs to.  AAMOF, without explaining this your entire moon hoax theory completely falls apart. 
 
There are currently 12 countries and the European Space Agency with over 2200 satellites in orbit.  Some even belong to private companies like DIRECTV, Echostar, & Sirius/XM, etc.  Not to mention all the data, pictures, and video.  The following is a short list of missions other than satellites:

6 moon landings
135 shuttle flights
MIR
Skylab
Apollo-Soyuz
The Japanese SELENE lunar orbiter
Hundreds of manned & unmanned missions to the ISS
Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter and dozens more beyond the moon

To fake all of this and have it remains a secret to this day requires tens of thousands of people and over two dozen countries to keep the secret.  People can’t keep secrets.  To think that literally thousands of flights into space can be faked and nobody know about it is just plain silly.  Especially in the day and age.  Anyone sitting on this secret knows that with just a little planning they could release all that information and there isn’t squat any nation or agency can do to stop it.  How long has Assange and Snowden eluded capture and how much information did they release?  And yet, with nearly three dozen countries involved and over the six decades of space travel nobody has even hinted there is a global conspiracy let along leaked any real documents or any whistle blowers talking. 

That very fact that nobody has leaked the conspiracy is itself proof that we went to the moon.  Unless you can explain how is possible for what would probably the largest conspiracy in the history of mankind to remain a secret for 60 years the rest of your moon hoax website is meaningless.

Mike

Well, just study http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm , where I show that no human has ever been in space and then show I am wrong and ... I pay you €1M.

Don't talk about conspiracy. Just show I am wrong!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Bullwinkle on July 12, 2017, 06:56:46 PM
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: markjo on July 12, 2017, 07:07:24 PM
Well, just study http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm , where I show that no human has ever been in space and then show I am wrong and ... I pay you €1M.

Don't talk about conspiracy. Just show I am wrong!
There are 10 French astronauts who would tell you that you're wrong.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_space_travelers_by_nationality#European_Space_Agency_members
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 12, 2017, 07:54:50 PM
Well, just study http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm , where I show that no human has ever been in space and then show I am wrong and ... I pay you €1M.

Don't talk about conspiracy. Just show I am wrong!
There are 10 French astronauts who would tell you that you're wrong.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_space_travelers_by_nationality#European_Space_Agency_members

I know! Lousy actors but well paid. I feel sorry for them.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Bullwinkle on July 12, 2017, 07:57:57 PM
I feel sorry for them.

That's why we love you.   ;)
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Badxtoss on July 12, 2017, 10:48:10 PM
Please actually read the whole post before responding. 

Here is the one thing your website doesn’t address but needs to.  AAMOF, without explaining this your entire moon hoax theory completely falls apart. 
 
There are currently 12 countries and the European Space Agency with over 2200 satellites in orbit.  Some even belong to private companies like DIRECTV, Echostar, & Sirius/XM, etc.  Not to mention all the data, pictures, and video.  The following is a short list of missions other than satellites:

6 moon landings
135 shuttle flights
MIR
Skylab
Apollo-Soyuz
The Japanese SELENE lunar orbiter
Hundreds of manned & unmanned missions to the ISS
Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter and dozens more beyond the moon

To fake all of this and have it remains a secret to this day requires tens of thousands of people and over two dozen countries to keep the secret.  People can’t keep secrets.  To think that literally thousands of flights into space can be faked and nobody know about it is just plain silly.  Especially in the day and age.  Anyone sitting on this secret knows that with just a little planning they could release all that information and there isn’t squat any nation or agency can do to stop it.  How long has Assange and Snowden eluded capture and how much information did they release?  And yet, with nearly three dozen countries involved and over the six decades of space travel nobody has even hinted there is a global conspiracy let along leaked any real documents or any whistle blowers talking. 

That very fact that nobody has leaked the conspiracy is itself proof that we went to the moon.  Unless you can explain how is possible for what would probably the largest conspiracy in the history of mankind to remain a secret for 60 years the rest of your moon hoax website is meaningless.

Mike

Well, just study http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm , where I show that no human has ever been in space and then show I am wrong and ... I pay you €1M.

Don't talk about conspiracy. Just show I am wrong!
Liar.  You show nothing you just make baseless claims and whore out your worthless website.  You have utterly failed here and you know it.  You are nothing more than a lying coward who cannot show any evidence on this forum to support your claims.  Just more failure by a pathetic human being.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 12, 2017, 11:19:48 PM
Please actually read the whole post before responding. 

Here is the one thing your website doesn’t address but needs to.  AAMOF, without explaining this your entire moon hoax theory completely falls apart. 
 
There are currently 12 countries and the European Space Agency with over 2200 satellites in orbit.  Some even belong to private companies like DIRECTV, Echostar, & Sirius/XM, etc.  Not to mention all the data, pictures, and video.  The following is a short list of missions other than satellites:

6 moon landings
135 shuttle flights
MIR
Skylab
Apollo-Soyuz
The Japanese SELENE lunar orbiter
Hundreds of manned & unmanned missions to the ISS
Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter and dozens more beyond the moon

To fake all of this and have it remains a secret to this day requires tens of thousands of people and over two dozen countries to keep the secret.  People can’t keep secrets.  To think that literally thousands of flights into space can be faked and nobody know about it is just plain silly.  Especially in the day and age.  Anyone sitting on this secret knows that with just a little planning they could release all that information and there isn’t squat any nation or agency can do to stop it.  How long has Assange and Snowden eluded capture and how much information did they release?  And yet, with nearly three dozen countries involved and over the six decades of space travel nobody has even hinted there is a global conspiracy let along leaked any real documents or any whistle blowers talking. 

That very fact that nobody has leaked the conspiracy is itself proof that we went to the moon.  Unless you can explain how is possible for what would probably the largest conspiracy in the history of mankind to remain a secret for 60 years the rest of your moon hoax website is meaningless.

Mike

Well, just study http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm , where I show that no human has ever been in space and then show I am wrong and ... I pay you €1M.

Don't talk about conspiracy. Just show I am wrong!
Liar.  You show nothing you just make baseless claims and whore out your worthless website.  You have utterly failed here and you know it.  You are nothing more than a lying coward who cannot show any evidence on this forum to support your claims.  Just more failure by a pathetic human being.
Have a look again! I show that (1) you are too heavy to lift off with all the fuel required for the Moon trip, (2) you cannot establish your trajectory leaving any orbit, so you will get lost in space,  (3) you cannot find the location to start the re-entry and (4) you cannot brake/slow down for landing. Actually any space trip is just one way from take-off with no return anywhere. Only twerps believe otherwise.
PS - I almost forgot (5) - the lack of sanitary facilities!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 13, 2017, 02:30:50 AM
Please actually read the whole post before responding. 

Here is the one thing your website doesn’t address but needs to.  AAMOF, without explaining this your entire moon hoax theory completely falls apart. 
 
There are currently 12 countries and the European Space Agency with over 2200 satellites in orbit.  Some even belong to private companies like DIRECTV, Echostar, & Sirius/XM, etc.  Not to mention all the data, pictures, and video.  The following is a short list of missions other than satellites:

6 moon landings
135 shuttle flights
MIR
Skylab
Apollo-Soyuz
The Japanese SELENE lunar orbiter
Hundreds of manned & unmanned missions to the ISS
Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter and dozens more beyond the moon

To fake all of this and have it remains a secret to this day requires tens of thousands of people and over two dozen countries to keep the secret.  People can’t keep secrets.  To think that literally thousands of flights into space can be faked and nobody know about it is just plain silly.  Especially in the day and age.  Anyone sitting on this secret knows that with just a little planning they could release all that information and there isn’t squat any nation or agency can do to stop it.  How long has Assange and Snowden eluded capture and how much information did they release?  And yet, with nearly three dozen countries involved and over the six decades of space travel nobody has even hinted there is a global conspiracy let along leaked any real documents or any whistle blowers talking. 

That very fact that nobody has leaked the conspiracy is itself proof that we went to the moon.  Unless you can explain how is possible for what would probably the largest conspiracy in the history of mankind to remain a secret for 60 years the rest of your moon hoax website is meaningless.

Mike

Well, just study http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm , where I show that no human has ever been in space and then show I am wrong and ... I pay you €1M.

Don't talk about conspiracy. Just show I am wrong!
I've already read your website and there is nothing there but conclusions drawn on your interpretation of facts.  Not one shred of evidence of anything. 

Of course, you don't want me to talk about the conspiracy.  It's an inconvenient truth without which your entire moon hoax theory falls apart.  I don't give a crap about your €1M because I don't for a second believe you would ever give it to anyone.  It's a red herring so stop it already. 

I am saying that the very fact there is no evidence of a global conspiracy to lie to the public about space travel is PROOF that we have sent men and women to space.

You say the ISS is fake.  A joint venture between Russia, USA, and the European Space Agency would be part of that conspiracy.  No proof such a conspiracy exists.

You say people are paid $10,000.00/month to lie about manned space flight.  That’s a huge conspiracy.  You say you explain this but, once again, you have no proof, just assumption.

Your entire moon hoax website relies on the largest conspiracy theory in the history of mankind.  Of course, you don’t want to discuss it because you want to ignore the fact that you’re a conspiracy theorist.  Well here’s the inconvenient truth.  A conspiracy on this scale is IMPOSSIBLE.  That is itself PROOF that you are wrong.

What I find interesting is your website lays out a long list of conspiracies.  All of which are required to make your theory work.  How can you then say it not a conspiracy website? 

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 13, 2017, 02:48:24 AM


You say the ISS is fake.  A joint venture between Russia, USA, and the European Space Agency would be part of that conspiracy.  No proof such a conspiracy exists.

You say people are paid $10,000.00/month to lie about manned space flight.  That’s a huge conspiracy.  You say you explain this but, once again, you have no proof, just assumption.

Your entire moon hoax website relies on the largest conspiracy theory in the history of mankind.  Of course, you don’t want to discuss it because you want to ignore the fact that you’re a conspiracy theorist.  Well here’s the inconvenient truth.  A conspiracy on this scale is IMPOSSIBLE.  That is itself PROOF that you are wrong.

What I find interesting is your website lays out a long list of conspiracies.  All of which are required to make your theory work.  How can you then say it not a conspiracy website? 

Mike

Yes - I say the ISS is fake. It is a joke. But a conspiracy? Do something secretly that is wrong? No. Is it wrong to fake the ISS? No, it is criminal.

Like manned space travel. It is not possible. But a conspiracy? Not really. JFK ordered it and it is illegal to leak or tell the truth about about it.

So my website - http://heiwaco.com - is about safety at sea and some other things. I simply interpret things differently. It has nothing to do with a conspiracy. If people want to fake humans in space, be my guest. It just gives me a good laugh.

And it seems you cannot find anything wrong with my findings.

Do you really believe that waves can knock off a bow visor in a storm and nobody hears and feels it? My old university Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg, Sweden, believes it. If they don't believe it, they will have big problems. I really feel sorry for them.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Bullwinkle on July 13, 2017, 03:06:03 AM
One ticket. Round trip. Cheapest one you can find.   ;D
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Kami on July 13, 2017, 03:13:59 AM
Please actually read the whole post before responding. 

Here is the one thing your website doesn’t address but needs to.  AAMOF, without explaining this your entire moon hoax theory completely falls apart. 
 
There are currently 12 countries and the European Space Agency with over 2200 satellites in orbit.  Some even belong to private companies like DIRECTV, Echostar, & Sirius/XM, etc.  Not to mention all the data, pictures, and video.  The following is a short list of missions other than satellites:

6 moon landings
135 shuttle flights
MIR
Skylab
Apollo-Soyuz
The Japanese SELENE lunar orbiter
Hundreds of manned & unmanned missions to the ISS
Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter and dozens more beyond the moon

To fake all of this and have it remains a secret to this day requires tens of thousands of people and over two dozen countries to keep the secret.  People can’t keep secrets.  To think that literally thousands of flights into space can be faked and nobody know about it is just plain silly.  Especially in the day and age.  Anyone sitting on this secret knows that with just a little planning they could release all that information and there isn’t squat any nation or agency can do to stop it.  How long has Assange and Snowden eluded capture and how much information did they release?  And yet, with nearly three dozen countries involved and over the six decades of space travel nobody has even hinted there is a global conspiracy let along leaked any real documents or any whistle blowers talking. 

That very fact that nobody has leaked the conspiracy is itself proof that we went to the moon.  Unless you can explain how is possible for what would probably the largest conspiracy in the history of mankind to remain a secret for 60 years the rest of your moon hoax website is meaningless.

Mike

Well, just study http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm , where I show that no human has ever been in space and then show I am wrong and ... I pay you €1M.

Don't talk about conspiracy. Just show I am wrong!
Liar.  You show nothing you just make baseless claims and whore out your worthless website.  You have utterly failed here and you know it.  You are nothing more than a lying coward who cannot show any evidence on this forum to support your claims.  Just more failure by a pathetic human being.
Have a look again! I show that (1) you are too heavy to lift off with all the fuel required for the Moon trip, (2) you cannot establish your trajectory leaving any orbit, so you will get lost in space,  (3) you cannot find the location to start the re-entry and (4) you cannot brake/slow down for landing. Actually any space trip is just one way from take-off with no return anywhere. Only twerps believe otherwise.
PS - I almost forgot (5) - the lack of sanitary facilities!
No. I looked. You do not show that. You show that you do not understand it and then claim that it is impossible, ignoring the possibility that there are people smarter than you that have figured it out.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 13, 2017, 03:21:43 AM


You say the ISS is fake.  A joint venture between Russia, USA, and the European Space Agency would be part of that conspiracy.  No proof such a conspiracy exists.

You say people are paid $10,000.00/month to lie about manned space flight.  That’s a huge conspiracy.  You say you explain this but, once again, you have no proof, just assumption.

Your entire moon hoax website relies on the largest conspiracy theory in the history of mankind.  Of course, you don’t want to discuss it because you want to ignore the fact that you’re a conspiracy theorist.  Well here’s the inconvenient truth.  A conspiracy on this scale is IMPOSSIBLE.  That is itself PROOF that you are wrong.

What I find interesting is your website lays out a long list of conspiracies.  All of which are required to make your theory work.  How can you then say it not a conspiracy website? 

Mike

Yes - I say the ISS is fake. It is a joke. But a conspiracy? Do something secretly that is wrong? No. Is it wrong to fake the ISS? No, it is criminal.

Like manned space travel. It is not possible. But a conspiracy? Not really. JFK ordered it and it is illegal to leak or tell the truth about about it.

So my website - http://heiwaco.com - is about safety at sea and some other things. I simply interpret things differently. It has nothing to do with a conspiracy. If people want to fake humans in space, be my guest. It just gives me a good laugh.

And it seems you cannot find anything wrong with my findings.

Do you really believe that waves can knock off a bow visor in a storm and nobody hears and feels it? My old university Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg, Sweden, believes it. If they don't believe it, they will have big problems. I really feel sorry for them.
It is disingenuous of you to say that all these countries colluding together and paying off people to lie isn’t a conspiracy.  Countries colluding together to perpetuate a lie is literally the definition of a conspiracy.  A country paying off people to lie about manned space flight is literally the definition of a conspiracy.  BTW, both of these are also the legal definition of a conspiracy.

BTW, I find a lot wrong with your findings.  You want us to believe you’re an engineer yet there is no technical rigor to you conclusions.  Your entire premise is based on assumption and innuendo that relies on the largest conspiracy in history.  The basis for your findings do not hold water therefore your conclusions do not hold water.  Simple as that.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 13, 2017, 04:07:01 AM


You say the ISS is fake.  A joint venture between Russia, USA, and the European Space Agency would be part of that conspiracy.  No proof such a conspiracy exists.

You say people are paid $10,000.00/month to lie about manned space flight.  That’s a huge conspiracy.  You say you explain this but, once again, you have no proof, just assumption.

Your entire moon hoax website relies on the largest conspiracy theory in the history of mankind.  Of course, you don’t want to discuss it because you want to ignore the fact that you’re a conspiracy theorist.  Well here’s the inconvenient truth.  A conspiracy on this scale is IMPOSSIBLE.  That is itself PROOF that you are wrong.

What I find interesting is your website lays out a long list of conspiracies.  All of which are required to make your theory work.  How can you then say it not a conspiracy website? 

Mike

Yes - I say the ISS is fake. It is a joke. But a conspiracy? Do something secretly that is wrong? No. Is it wrong to fake the ISS? No, it is criminal.

Like manned space travel. It is not possible. But a conspiracy? Not really. JFK ordered it and it is illegal to leak or tell the truth about about it.

So my website - http://heiwaco.com - is about safety at sea and some other things. I simply interpret things differently. It has nothing to do with a conspiracy. If people want to fake humans in space, be my guest. It just gives me a good laugh.

And it seems you cannot find anything wrong with my findings.

Do you really believe that waves can knock off a bow visor in a storm and nobody hears and feels it? My old university Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg, Sweden, believes it. If they don't believe it, they will have big problems. I really feel sorry for them.
Not to mention your website is contradictory.  You state that only simple satellites can be launched into orbit.  However, many of the current satellites out weight the original Mercury capsules.  Yet they get launched into orbit.  Then, many of these satellites move into geostationary orbit and perform station keeping staying there for decades.  Heck the current DIRECTV satellites weight 4-5 times what the Mercury capsule weighed. 

By your calculation it’s not possible to launch these into orbit.  By your calculation it’s not possible to move to a higher orbit.  By your calculation it’s not possible to stop these satellites at their final destination in geostationary orbit.

Yet, they are there and tens of millions of homes have dishes pointed at them.  Another situation where your theory falls apart.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Pezevenk on July 13, 2017, 04:43:27 AM

Yes - I say the ISS is fake. It is a joke. But a conspiracy? Do something secretly that is wrong? No. Is it wrong to fake the ISS? No, it is criminal.

Like manned space travel. It is not possible. But a conspiracy? Not really.

This doesn't make any fucking sense.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: frenat on July 13, 2017, 05:27:35 AM
Please actually read the whole post before responding. 

Here is the one thing your website doesn’t address but needs to.  AAMOF, without explaining this your entire moon hoax theory completely falls apart. 
 
There are currently 12 countries and the European Space Agency with over 2200 satellites in orbit.  Some even belong to private companies like DIRECTV, Echostar, & Sirius/XM, etc.  Not to mention all the data, pictures, and video.  The following is a short list of missions other than satellites:

6 moon landings
135 shuttle flights
MIR
Skylab
Apollo-Soyuz
The Japanese SELENE lunar orbiter
Hundreds of manned & unmanned missions to the ISS
Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter and dozens more beyond the moon

To fake all of this and have it remains a secret to this day requires tens of thousands of people and over two dozen countries to keep the secret.  People can’t keep secrets.  To think that literally thousands of flights into space can be faked and nobody know about it is just plain silly.  Especially in the day and age.  Anyone sitting on this secret knows that with just a little planning they could release all that information and there isn’t squat any nation or agency can do to stop it.  How long has Assange and Snowden eluded capture and how much information did they release?  And yet, with nearly three dozen countries involved and over the six decades of space travel nobody has even hinted there is a global conspiracy let along leaked any real documents or any whistle blowers talking. 

That very fact that nobody has leaked the conspiracy is itself proof that we went to the moon.  Unless you can explain how is possible for what would probably the largest conspiracy in the history of mankind to remain a secret for 60 years the rest of your moon hoax website is meaningless.

Mike

Well, just study http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm , where I show that no human has ever been in space and then show I am wrong and ... I pay you €1M.

Don't talk about conspiracy. Just show I am wrong!
Liar.  You show nothing you just make baseless claims and whore out your worthless website.  You have utterly failed here and you know it.  You are nothing more than a lying coward who cannot show any evidence on this forum to support your claims.  Just more failure by a pathetic human being.
Have a look again! I show that (1) you are too heavy to lift off with all the fuel required for the Moon trip, (2) you cannot establish your trajectory leaving any orbit, so you will get lost in space,  (3) you cannot find the location to start the re-entry and (4) you cannot brake/slow down for landing. Actually any space trip is just one way from take-off with no return anywhere. Only twerps believe otherwise.
PS - I almost forgot (5) - the lack of sanitary facilities!
translation: I, Heiwa, don't understand any of it so I declared it must not work.  Have you seen my website? 
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: markjo on July 13, 2017, 05:27:51 AM
Well, just study http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm , where I show that no human has ever been in space and then show I am wrong and ... I pay you €1M.

Don't talk about conspiracy. Just show I am wrong!
There are 10 French astronauts who would tell you that you're wrong.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_space_travelers_by_nationality#European_Space_Agency_members

I know! Lousy actors but well paid. I feel sorry for them.
???  Why would you feel sorry for them?  They did what you claim is impossible.  That sounds like something to be proud of.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Badxtoss on July 13, 2017, 05:32:21 AM
Please actually read the whole post before responding. 

Here is the one thing your website doesn’t address but needs to.  AAMOF, without explaining this your entire moon hoax theory completely falls apart. 
 
There are currently 12 countries and the European Space Agency with over 2200 satellites in orbit.  Some even belong to private companies like DIRECTV, Echostar, & Sirius/XM, etc.  Not to mention all the data, pictures, and video.  The following is a short list of missions other than satellites:

6 moon landings
135 shuttle flights
MIR
Skylab
Apollo-Soyuz
The Japanese SELENE lunar orbiter
Hundreds of manned & unmanned missions to the ISS
Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter and dozens more beyond the moon

To fake all of this and have it remains a secret to this day requires tens of thousands of people and over two dozen countries to keep the secret.  People can’t keep secrets.  To think that literally thousands of flights into space can be faked and nobody know about it is just plain silly.  Especially in the day and age.  Anyone sitting on this secret knows that with just a little planning they could release all that information and there isn’t squat any nation or agency can do to stop it.  How long has Assange and Snowden eluded capture and how much information did they release?  And yet, with nearly three dozen countries involved and over the six decades of space travel nobody has even hinted there is a global conspiracy let along leaked any real documents or any whistle blowers talking. 

That very fact that nobody has leaked the conspiracy is itself proof that we went to the moon.  Unless you can explain how is possible for what would probably the largest conspiracy in the history of mankind to remain a secret for 60 years the rest of your moon hoax website is meaningless.

Mike

Well, just study http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm , where I show that no human has ever been in space and then show I am wrong and ... I pay you €1M.

Don't talk about conspiracy. Just show I am wrong!
Liar.  You show nothing you just make baseless claims and whore out your worthless website.  You have utterly failed here and you know it.  You are nothing more than a lying coward who cannot show any evidence on this forum to support your claims.  Just more failure by a pathetic human being.
Have a look again! I show that (1) you are too heavy to lift off with all the fuel required for the Moon trip, (2) you cannot establish your trajectory leaving any orbit, so you will get lost in space,  (3) you cannot find the location to start the re-entry and (4) you cannot brake/slow down for landing. Actually any space trip is just one way from take-off with no return anywhere. Only twerps believe otherwise.
PS - I almost forgot (5) - the lack of sanitary facilities!
Liar.  You only claim those things with no evidence.  You have been shown how all of that works but you are simply too stupid to grasp it and too delusional to accept you are wrong.  You are a failure.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: markjo on July 13, 2017, 05:36:47 AM
Yes - I say the ISS is fake. It is a joke. But a conspiracy? Do something secretly that is wrong? No.
The ISS is quite public.  You know, the opposite of secret. ::)

Is it wrong to fake the ISS? No, it is criminal.
So you're saying that criminal actions aren't wrong?  ???

Like manned space travel. It is not possible. But a conspiracy? Not really.
If it isn't possible, then of course faking it requires a conspiracy.  That's what conspiracies are.

How can you possibly have the nerve to question other people's intelligence when it seems that you don't even know what simple things like "conspiracy" and "wrong" mean?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: markjo on July 13, 2017, 05:43:32 AM
Have a look again! I show that (1) you are too heavy to lift off with all the fuel required for the Moon trip,
It really doesn't take that much more fuel to go to the moon than it does to go to geostationary orbit.

(2) you cannot establish your trajectory leaving any orbit, so you will get lost in space, 
So then how can satellites transfer from LEO to geostationary orbit?

(3) you cannot find the location to start the re-entry and
Why not? ???

(4) you cannot brake/slow down for landing.
You can if you're clever enough to use atmospheric drag just right.

Actually any space trip is just one way from take-off with no return anywhere. Only twerps believe otherwise.
There seems to be quite a bit of evidence that suggests otherwise.  It would be very foolish to ignore it all.

PS - I almost forgot (5) - the lack of sanitary facilities!
Not as difficult a problem as you might think.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 13, 2017, 07:39:21 AM
Have a look again! I show that (1) you are too heavy to lift off with all the fuel required for the Moon trip,
It really doesn't take that much more fuel to go to the moon than it does to go to geostationary orbit.

(2) you cannot establish your trajectory leaving any orbit, so you will get lost in space, 
So then how can satellites transfer from LEO to geostationary orbit?

(3) you cannot find the location to start the re-entry and
Why not? ???

(4) you cannot brake/slow down for landing.
You can if you're clever enough to use atmospheric drag just right.

Actually any space trip is just one way from take-off with no return anywhere. Only twerps believe otherwise.
There seems to be quite a bit of evidence that suggests otherwise.  It would be very foolish to ignore it all.

PS - I almost forgot (5) - the lack of sanitary facilities!
Not as difficult a problem as you might think.

ROTFL - Can't you do better than that, you twerp?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: markjo on July 13, 2017, 09:38:58 AM
ROTFL - Can't you do better than that, you twerp?
Can't you do better than name calling?  ::)
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 13, 2017, 09:47:49 AM
ROTFL - Can't you do better than that, you twerp?
Can't you do better than name calling?  ::)

A twerp is a twerp, as I understand it. Why do you always ask stupid, OT questions?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: markjo on July 13, 2017, 09:51:32 AM
ROTFL - Can't you do better than that, you twerp?
Can't you do better than name calling?  ::)

A twerp is a twerp, as I understand it.
That's still no reason for a self proclaimed nice guy to call people not so nice names.

Why do you always ask stupid, OT questions?
The questions seem OT because you keep changing the subject.  And the questions are stupid only because you can't answer them.

BTW, the topic is your lack of understanding of things.  Asking you to explain those things that you claim to understand but evidently don't isn't off topic.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 13, 2017, 05:51:33 PM
ROTFL - Can't you do better than that, you twerp?
Can't you do better than name calling?  ::)

A twerp is a twerp, as I understand it.
That's still no reason for a self proclaimed nice guy to call people not so nice names.

Why do you always ask stupid, OT questions?
The questions seem OT because you keep changing the subject.  And the questions are stupid only because you can't answer them.

BTW, the topic is your lack of understanding of things.  Asking you to explain those things that you claim to understand but evidently don't isn't off topic.

Hm, I explain my findings at my web site. If you find anything wrong, just copy/paste and I will correct it.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: markjo on July 13, 2017, 07:43:32 PM
Hm, I explain my findings at my web site. If you find anything wrong, just copy/paste and I will correct it.
Why not just answer my questions here instead?

For example, why won't you explain how Arinaespace can transfer a heavy satellite from low earth orbit to geostationary orbit?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 13, 2017, 10:37:17 PM
Hm, I explain my findings at my web site. If you find anything wrong, just copy/paste and I will correct it.
Why not just answer my questions here instead?

For example, why won't you explain how Arinaespace can transfer a heavy satellite from low earth orbit to geostationary orbit?

My web site is about safety at sea and some other matters. I suggest you contact Arianespace how it puts their satellites into orbits.
As far as I am concerned, all space trips are one-way only, i.e. starting with a lift-off from Earth ending in a high speed orbit of some kind. There is no way to stop or to fly back, re-enter and land. That's why no humans have ever been in space and the ISS and the Shuttle are 100% fake, etc, etc. I explain more at my web site. Just copy/paste, what you consider wrong, and we can discuss. The fake space biz is big. Plenty stupid people are paid to keep it going since the 1950's. It appears to be boring and no fun at all.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 14, 2017, 02:05:06 AM
Hm, I explain my findings at my web site. If you find anything wrong, just copy/paste and I will correct it.
Why not just answer my questions here instead?

For example, why won't you explain how Arinaespace can transfer a heavy satellite from low earth orbit to geostationary orbit?

My web site is about safety at sea and some other matters. I suggest you contact Arianespace how it puts their satellites into orbits.
As far as I am concerned, all space trips are one-way only, i.e. starting with a lift-off from Earth ending in a high speed orbit of some kind. There is no way to stop or to fly back, re-enter and land. That's why no humans have ever been in space and the ISS and the Shuttle are 100% fake, etc, etc. I explain more at my web site. Just copy/paste, what you consider wrong, and we can discuss. The fake space biz is big. Plenty stupid people are paid to keep it going since the 1950's. It appears to be boring and no fun at all.

"It is just a very big silver balloon!"
"A silver balloon - satellite - in the sky!"
"The solar panels work only when the sun is shining but must be adjusted all the time, as the IFS is flying so fast up in space ... just like a simple silver balloon."


You say, several times, that the ISS is a big balloon.  What evidence do you have for that and how do you move a balloon at those velocities without it coming apart?

You also say people are paid a huge sum each month to keep quiet. You actually use the value of $10,000.00/month.  Where does that value come from and what evidence do you have because none is presented on your website?

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 14, 2017, 03:53:03 AM
Hm, I explain my findings at my web site. If you find anything wrong, just copy/paste and I will correct it.
Why not just answer my questions here instead?

For example, why won't you explain how Arinaespace can transfer a heavy satellite from low earth orbit to geostationary orbit?

My web site is about safety at sea and some other matters. I suggest you contact Arianespace how it puts their satellites into orbits.
As far as I am concerned, all space trips are one-way only, i.e. starting with a lift-off from Earth ending in a high speed orbit of some kind. There is no way to stop or to fly back, re-enter and land. That's why no humans have ever been in space and the ISS and the Shuttle are 100% fake, etc, etc. I explain more at my web site. Just copy/paste, what you consider wrong, and we can discuss. The fake space biz is big. Plenty stupid people are paid to keep it going since the 1950's. It appears to be boring and no fun at all.

"It is just a very big silver balloon!"
"A silver balloon - satellite - in the sky!"
"The solar panels work only when the sun is shining but must be adjusted all the time, as the IFS is flying so fast up in space ... just like a simple silver balloon."


You say, several times, that the ISS is a big balloon.  What evidence do you have for that and how do you move a balloon at those velocities without it coming apart?

You also say people are paid a huge sum each month to keep quiet. You actually use the value of $10,000.00/month.  Where does that value come from and what evidence do you have because none is presented on your website?

Mike

Thanks for asking. The ISS is a balloon shaped, silver colored satellite orbiting Earth in space at say 400 km altitude and 7.6 km/s speed.

All forces applied on it in orbit are in equilibrium and balance, so it will not be ripped apart. It is basic orbital dynamics.

You can see it for yourself, when it passes above you. I provide details for watching it at my website.

Re fake astronuts and their salaries - just contact them yourself and ask. Some teach at universities, e.g. Stockholm, Sweden. Call them! I provide their full styles at my website. A journalist friend of mine told me that an EXA ex-astronut is paid €9000/month for life just to lie about it. I trust him.

What about you? Why do you make stupid comments here about me? Do some real research yourself - like me!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 14, 2017, 04:20:13 AM
Hm, I explain my findings at my web site. If you find anything wrong, just copy/paste and I will correct it.
Why not just answer my questions here instead?

For example, why won't you explain how Arinaespace can transfer a heavy satellite from low earth orbit to geostationary orbit?

My web site is about safety at sea and some other matters. I suggest you contact Arianespace how it puts their satellites into orbits.
As far as I am concerned, all space trips are one-way only, i.e. starting with a lift-off from Earth ending in a high speed orbit of some kind. There is no way to stop or to fly back, re-enter and land. That's why no humans have ever been in space and the ISS and the Shuttle are 100% fake, etc, etc. I explain more at my web site. Just copy/paste, what you consider wrong, and we can discuss. The fake space biz is big. Plenty stupid people are paid to keep it going since the 1950's. It appears to be boring and no fun at all.

"It is just a very big silver balloon!"
"A silver balloon - satellite - in the sky!"
"The solar panels work only when the sun is shining but must be adjusted all the time, as the IFS is flying so fast up in space ... just like a simple silver balloon."


You say, several times, that the ISS is a big balloon.  What evidence do you have for that and how do you move a balloon at those velocities without it coming apart?

You also say people are paid a huge sum each month to keep quiet. You actually use the value of $10,000.00/month.  Where does that value come from and what evidence do you have because none is presented on your website?

Mike

Thanks for asking. The ISS is a balloon shaped, silver colored satellite orbiting Earth in space at say 400 km altitude and 7.6 km/s speed.

All forces applied on it in orbit are in equilibrium and balance, so it will not be ripped apart. It is basic orbital dynamics.

You can see it for yourself, when it passes above you. I provide details for watching it at my website.

Re fake astronuts and their salaries - just contact them yourself and ask. Some teach at universities, e.g. Stockholm, Sweden. Call them! I provide their full styles at my website. A journalist friend of mine told me that an EXA ex-astronut is paid €9000/month for life just to lie about it. I trust him.

What about you? Why do you make stupid comments here about me? Do some real research yourself - like me!
So you’re taking someone’s word that they are paid €9000/month.  Okay, we’ve established you have no proof for the claim that they’re paid to lie.

I asked you what you have to support the balloon theory.  You can’t support that claim either.

So, we’ve established that both claims are based on conjecture and hearsay and as such are unsupportable.

Could you please explain to me the following inconsistencies between you’re a-bomb and moon hoax websites.

On your a-bomb website you claim that radiation is harmless.
"Thus it seems most radiation is harmless and that the only risk is from radioactive fuel rests (ash) that is spread in the environment due to accidents, e.g. at nuclear power plants"

However, on your moon hoax website you claim that cosmic radiation is nasty stuff.
"And then there is the cosmic radiation! Nasty stuff!"

Why the inconsistencies?  Is radiation harmful or harmless?

Dr. Van Allen doesn't think it's an issue so why do you?

"The claim that radiation exposure during the Apollo missions would have been fatal to the astronauts is only one example of such nonsense." -- Dr. James Van Allen

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 14, 2017, 04:36:57 AM
Hm, I explain my findings at my web site. If you find anything wrong, just copy/paste and I will correct it.
Why not just answer my questions here instead?

For example, why won't you explain how Arinaespace can transfer a heavy satellite from low earth orbit to geostationary orbit?

My web site is about safety at sea and some other matters. I suggest you contact Arianespace how it puts their satellites into orbits.
As far as I am concerned, all space trips are one-way only, i.e. starting with a lift-off from Earth ending in a high speed orbit of some kind. There is no way to stop or to fly back, re-enter and land. That's why no humans have ever been in space and the ISS and the Shuttle are 100% fake, etc, etc. I explain more at my web site. Just copy/paste, what you consider wrong, and we can discuss. The fake space biz is big. Plenty stupid people are paid to keep it going since the 1950's. It appears to be boring and no fun at all.

"It is just a very big silver balloon!"
"A silver balloon - satellite - in the sky!"
"The solar panels work only when the sun is shining but must be adjusted all the time, as the IFS is flying so fast up in space ... just like a simple silver balloon."


You say, several times, that the ISS is a big balloon.  What evidence do you have for that and how do you move a balloon at those velocities without it coming apart?

You also say people are paid a huge sum each month to keep quiet. You actually use the value of $10,000.00/month.  Where does that value come from and what evidence do you have because none is presented on your website?

Mike

Thanks for asking. The ISS is a balloon shaped, silver colored satellite orbiting Earth in space at say 400 km altitude and 7.6 km/s speed.

All forces applied on it in orbit are in equilibrium and balance, so it will not be ripped apart. It is basic orbital dynamics.

You can see it for yourself, when it passes above you. I provide details for watching it at my website.

Re fake astronuts and their salaries - just contact them yourself and ask. Some teach at universities, e.g. Stockholm, Sweden. Call them! I provide their full styles at my website. A journalist friend of mine told me that an EXA ex-astronut is paid €9000/month for life just to lie about it. I trust him.

What about you? Why do you make stupid comments here about me? Do some real research yourself - like me!
So you’re taking someone’s word that they are paid €9000/month.  Okay, we’ve established you have no proof for the claim that they’re paid to lie.

I asked you what you have to support the balloon theory.  You can’t support that claim either.

So, we’ve established that both claims are based on conjecture and hearsay and as such are unsupportable.

Could you please explain to me the following inconsistencies between you’re a-bomb and moon hoax websites.

On your a-bomb website you claim that radiation is harmless.
"Thus it seems most radiation is harmless and that the only risk is from radioactive fuel rests (ash) that is spread in the environment due to accidents, e.g. at nuclear power plants"

However, on your moon hoax website you claim that cosmic radiation is nasty stuff.
"And then there is the cosmic radiation! Nasty stuff!"

Why the inconsistencies?  Is radiation harmful or harmless?

Dr. Van Allen doesn't think it's an issue so why do you?

"The claim that radiation exposure during the Apollo missions would have been fatal to the astronauts is only one example of such nonsense." -- Dr. James Van Allen

Mike

All my evidences of what I say are at my web site. Just copy paste what you think is wrong.

Watch the ISS satellite yourself. Then ask yourself how to send another spacecraft to dock with it, exchange crews, etc, and then disconnect from it, start descending at high speed trying to find location B at 120 000 m altitude, where you start to dip into the atmosphere to re-enter, brake a lot to land ... hole in one - in Kazakhstan. It is a joke every time.

So Micro ... you are a loser. Why do you continue making stupid posts?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 14, 2017, 04:44:37 AM
Hm, I explain my findings at my web site. If you find anything wrong, just copy/paste and I will correct it.
Why not just answer my questions here instead?

For example, why won't you explain how Arinaespace can transfer a heavy satellite from low earth orbit to geostationary orbit?

My web site is about safety at sea and some other matters. I suggest you contact Arianespace how it puts their satellites into orbits.
As far as I am concerned, all space trips are one-way only, i.e. starting with a lift-off from Earth ending in a high speed orbit of some kind. There is no way to stop or to fly back, re-enter and land. That's why no humans have ever been in space and the ISS and the Shuttle are 100% fake, etc, etc. I explain more at my web site. Just copy/paste, what you consider wrong, and we can discuss. The fake space biz is big. Plenty stupid people are paid to keep it going since the 1950's. It appears to be boring and no fun at all.

"It is just a very big silver balloon!"
"A silver balloon - satellite - in the sky!"
"The solar panels work only when the sun is shining but must be adjusted all the time, as the IFS is flying so fast up in space ... just like a simple silver balloon."


You say, several times, that the ISS is a big balloon.  What evidence do you have for that and how do you move a balloon at those velocities without it coming apart?

You also say people are paid a huge sum each month to keep quiet. You actually use the value of $10,000.00/month.  Where does that value come from and what evidence do you have because none is presented on your website?

Mike

Thanks for asking. The ISS is a balloon shaped, silver colored satellite orbiting Earth in space at say 400 km altitude and 7.6 km/s speed.

All forces applied on it in orbit are in equilibrium and balance, so it will not be ripped apart. It is basic orbital dynamics.

You can see it for yourself, when it passes above you. I provide details for watching it at my website.

Re fake astronuts and their salaries - just contact them yourself and ask. Some teach at universities, e.g. Stockholm, Sweden. Call them! I provide their full styles at my website. A journalist friend of mine told me that an EXA ex-astronut is paid €9000/month for life just to lie about it. I trust him.

What about you? Why do you make stupid comments here about me? Do some real research yourself - like me!
So you’re taking someone’s word that they are paid €9000/month.  Okay, we’ve established you have no proof for the claim that they’re paid to lie.

I asked you what you have to support the balloon theory.  You can’t support that claim either.

So, we’ve established that both claims are based on conjecture and hearsay and as such are unsupportable.

Could you please explain to me the following inconsistencies between you’re a-bomb and moon hoax websites.

On your a-bomb website you claim that radiation is harmless.
"Thus it seems most radiation is harmless and that the only risk is from radioactive fuel rests (ash) that is spread in the environment due to accidents, e.g. at nuclear power plants"

However, on your moon hoax website you claim that cosmic radiation is nasty stuff.
"And then there is the cosmic radiation! Nasty stuff!"

Why the inconsistencies?  Is radiation harmful or harmless?

Dr. Van Allen doesn't think it's an issue so why do you?

"The claim that radiation exposure during the Apollo missions would have been fatal to the astronauts is only one example of such nonsense." -- Dr. James Van Allen

Mike

All my evidences of what I say are at my web site. Just copy paste what you think is wrong.

Watch the ISS satellite yourself. Then ask yourself how to send another spacecraft to dock with it, exchange crews, etc, and then disconnect from it, start descending at high speed trying to find location B at 120 000 m altitude, where you start to dip into the atmosphere to re-enter, brake a lot to land ... hole in one - in Kazakhstan. It is a joke every time.

So Micro ... you are a loser. Why do you continue making stupid posts?
You don’t provide any evidence for the bribes and balloons which is why I asked. 

I’ve seen the ISS go overhead many times.  Mostly through binoculars but I’ve tried to get a picture with my telescope.  However, none of what you’ve just posted has anything to do with proving the ISS is a balloon.  So we’re back to conjecture and hearsay.  If there is anything other than conjecture and hearsay for the bribes and balloons on your website, please do me a favor and point it out.  Thanks.

So, you don’t want to answer the questions about radiation?

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: frenat on July 14, 2017, 05:15:56 AM
Hm, I explain my findings at my web site. If you find anything wrong, just copy/paste and I will correct it.
Why not just answer my questions here instead?

For example, why won't you explain how Arinaespace can transfer a heavy satellite from low earth orbit to geostationary orbit?

My web site is about safety at sea and some other matters. I suggest you contact Arianespace how it puts their satellites into orbits.
As far as I am concerned, all space trips are one-way only, i.e. starting with a lift-off from Earth ending in a high speed orbit of some kind. There is no way to stop or to fly back, re-enter and land. That's why no humans have ever been in space and the ISS and the Shuttle are 100% fake, etc, etc. I explain more at my web site. Just copy/paste, what you consider wrong, and we can discuss. The fake space biz is big. Plenty stupid people are paid to keep it going since the 1950's. It appears to be boring and no fun at all.

"It is just a very big silver balloon!"
"A silver balloon - satellite - in the sky!"
"The solar panels work only when the sun is shining but must be adjusted all the time, as the IFS is flying so fast up in space ... just like a simple silver balloon."


You say, several times, that the ISS is a big balloon.  What evidence do you have for that and how do you move a balloon at those velocities without it coming apart?

You also say people are paid a huge sum each month to keep quiet. You actually use the value of $10,000.00/month.  Where does that value come from and what evidence do you have because none is presented on your website?

Mike

Thanks for asking. The ISS is a balloon shaped, silver colored satellite orbiting Earth in space at say 400 km altitude and 7.6 km/s speed.

All forces applied on it in orbit are in equilibrium and balance, so it will not be ripped apart. It is basic orbital dynamics.

You can see it for yourself, when it passes above you. I provide details for watching it at my website.

Re fake astronuts and their salaries - just contact them yourself and ask. Some teach at universities, e.g. Stockholm, Sweden. Call them! I provide their full styles at my website. A journalist friend of mine told me that an EXA ex-astronut is paid €9000/month for life just to lie about it. I trust him.

What about you? Why do you make stupid comments here about me? Do some real research yourself - like me!
So you’re taking someone’s word that they are paid €9000/month.  Okay, we’ve established you have no proof for the claim that they’re paid to lie.

I asked you what you have to support the balloon theory.  You can’t support that claim either.

So, we’ve established that both claims are based on conjecture and hearsay and as such are unsupportable.

Could you please explain to me the following inconsistencies between you’re a-bomb and moon hoax websites.

On your a-bomb website you claim that radiation is harmless.
"Thus it seems most radiation is harmless and that the only risk is from radioactive fuel rests (ash) that is spread in the environment due to accidents, e.g. at nuclear power plants"

However, on your moon hoax website you claim that cosmic radiation is nasty stuff.
"And then there is the cosmic radiation! Nasty stuff!"

Why the inconsistencies?  Is radiation harmful or harmless?

Dr. Van Allen doesn't think it's an issue so why do you?

"The claim that radiation exposure during the Apollo missions would have been fatal to the astronauts is only one example of such nonsense." -- Dr. James Van Allen

Mike

All my evidences of what I say are at my web site. Just copy paste what you think is wrong.

Watch the ISS satellite yourself. Then ask yourself how to send another spacecraft to dock with it, exchange crews, etc, and then disconnect from it, start descending at high speed trying to find location B at 120 000 m altitude, where you start to dip into the atmosphere to re-enter, brake a lot to land ... hole in one - in Kazakhstan. It is a joke every time.

So Micro ... you are a loser. Why do you continue making stupid posts?
Translation: I don't understand it so nobody else can understand it either!  Maybe I'll throw around some insults again and they won't notice I don't understand a thing I'm talking about!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: markjo on July 14, 2017, 05:41:41 AM
Hm, I explain my findings at my web site. If you find anything wrong, just copy/paste and I will correct it.
Why not just answer my questions here instead?

For example, why won't you explain how Arinaespace can transfer a heavy satellite from low earth orbit to geostationary orbit?

My web site is about safety at sea and some other matters. I suggest you contact Arianespace how it puts their satellites into orbits.
But you're the one claiming to know all about orbital mechanics, so why can't you explain a simple orbital transfer?

As far as I am concerned, all space trips are one-way only, i.e. starting with a lift-off from Earth ending in a high speed orbit of some kind. There is no way to stop or to fly back, re-enter and land. That's why no humans have ever been in space and the ISS and the Shuttle are 100% fake, etc, etc. I explain more at my web site. Just copy/paste, what you consider wrong, and we can discuss. The fake space biz is big. Plenty stupid people are paid to keep it going since the 1950's. It appears to be boring and no fun at all.
I don't need to go to your web site to find things that are wrong, you just listed a few right in this post.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 14, 2017, 06:54:32 AM

I’ve seen the ISS go overhead many times.  Mostly through binoculars but I’ve tried to get a picture with my telescope.  However, none of what you’ve just posted has anything to do with proving the ISS is a balloon.  So we’re back to conjecture and hearsay.  If there is anything other than conjecture and hearsay for the bribes and balloons on your website, please do me a favor and point it out.  Thanks.

So, you don’t want to answer the questions about radiation?

Mike

Good that you, like me, have watched the ISS flying past like a very bright spot in the sky at/after sunset lit up by the Sun - speed >7 kms/s. I have also taken photos of it and tried to observe it in a telescope. To me it looks like a silver balloon. Feel free to question my observations. But try to be polite using civil language.

Imagine being in it, jumping into a little capsule that undocks from the ISS and then drops down into the atmosphere, finds location B at 120 km altitude, re-enters and lands safely. According my calculations the capsule simply burns up! It is not possible to return from a satellite. It is always a one-way trip.

Re radiation - I explain it at my web site - http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm . Yes, inside a nuclear power plant combustion chamber, where fission takes place, radiation is strong. But outside it is very weak and doesn't harm anything.

It is very easy to scare people with radiation.

The poor people that survivied Hiroshima and Nagasaki 1945 were told that they would die within a year from radiation and that the towns could not be lived in for 500 years. We know it was propaganda.

The people at Fukushima were also told that they would soon die from radiation ... and ... that it was contagious (!), so they should not mix with normal people, not affected by radiation. But now people have been ordered to return back to Fukushima and forget the whole thing. It is a scandal, but the Japanese are very polite and just bow and shut up.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 14, 2017, 07:17:27 AM

I’ve seen the ISS go overhead many times.  Mostly through binoculars but I’ve tried to get a picture with my telescope.  However, none of what you’ve just posted has anything to do with proving the ISS is a balloon.  So we’re back to conjecture and hearsay.  If there is anything other than conjecture and hearsay for the bribes and balloons on your website, please do me a favor and point it out.  Thanks.

So, you don’t want to answer the questions about radiation?

Mike

Good that you, like me, have watched the ISS flying past like a very bright spot in the sky at/after sunset lit up by the Sun - speed >7 kms/s. I have also taken photos of it and tried to observe it in a telescope. To me it looks like a silver balloon. Feel free to question my observations. But try to be polite using civil language.

Imagine being in it, jumping into a little capsule that undocks from the ISS and then drops down into the atmosphere, finds location B at 120 km altitude, re-enters and lands safely. According my calculations the capsule simply burns up! It is not possible to return from a satellite. It is always a one-way trip.

Re radiation - I explain it at my web site - http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm . Yes, inside a nuclear power plant combustion chamber, where fission takes place, radiation is strong. But outside it is very weak and doesn't harm anything.

It is very easy to scare people with radiation.

The poor people that survivied Hiroshima and Nagasaki 1945 were told that they would die within a year from radiation and that the towns could not be lived in for 500 years. We know it was propaganda.

The people at Fukushima were also told that they would soon die from radiation ... and ... that it was contagious (!), so they should not mix with normal people, not affected by radiation. But now people have been ordered to return back to Fukushima and forget the whole thing. It is a scandal, but the Japanese are very polite and just bow and shut up.
I have been polite and have been using civil language.  I’m not the one calling other people loser, twerp, and stupid.  Maybe you should talk to that person about being civil.

So your assessment that it’s a balloon is based on what it looks like to you.  Fair enough, but it’s still conjecture and opinion that, IMHO, you present as fact.

So you don’t believe it’s possible to use the proper materials to dissipate heat?  As an engineer, surely you must be familiar with the specific heat capacities of certain ceramics.  These materials effectively insulate kilns & furnaces against heat that melt steel. You don’t think this kind of material can be engineered to protect against the heat of re-entry?

You still haven’t explained the inconstancies between the moon and a-bomb websites on the assessment of radiation...or addressed Dr. Van Allen’s comment.   

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 14, 2017, 08:09:09 AM


So you don’t believe it’s possible to use the proper materials to dissipate heat?  As an engineer, surely you must be familiar with the specific heat capacities of certain ceramics.  These materials effectively insulate kilns & furnaces against heat that melt steel. You don’t think this kind of material can be engineered to protect against the heat of re-entry?

   

Mike

I describe re-entry, heat shields and various materials used to absorb the heat generated at my web site. The conclusion is that no spacecraft can survive re-entry. They will all be destroyed.

 
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 14, 2017, 08:14:58 AM


So you don’t believe it’s possible to use the proper materials to dissipate heat?  As an engineer, surely you must be familiar with the specific heat capacities of certain ceramics.  These materials effectively insulate kilns & furnaces against heat that melt steel. You don’t think this kind of material can be engineered to protect against the heat of re-entry?

   

Mike

I describe re-entry, heat shields and various materials used to absorb the heat generated at my web site. The conclusion is that no spacecraft can survive re-entry. They will all be destroyed.
So you don't believe the materials won't protect against the heat of reentry?  Your website doesn't explain why our what is wrong with the material used.

You still haven’t explained the inconstancies between the moon and a-bomb websites on the assessment of radiation...or addressed Dr. Van Allen’s comment.   

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 14, 2017, 08:28:46 AM


So you don’t believe it’s possible to use the proper materials to dissipate heat?  As an engineer, surely you must be familiar with the specific heat capacities of certain ceramics.  These materials effectively insulate kilns & furnaces against heat that melt steel. You don’t think this kind of material can be engineered to protect against the heat of re-entry?

   

Mike

I describe re-entry, heat shields and various materials used to absorb the heat generated at my web site. The conclusion is that no spacecraft can survive re-entry. They will all be destroyed.
So you don't believe the materials won't protect against the heat of reentry?  Your website doesn't explain why our what is wrong with the material used.

You still haven’t explained the inconstancies between the moon and a-bomb websites on the assessment of radiation...or addressed Dr. Van Allen’s comment.   

Mike

Hm, according my understanding any material used to enable re-entry will simply melt, catch fire and be vaporized.

What inconstancies between my moon and a-bomb websites on the assessment of radiation are you talking about?

A-bombs do not work at all so there is no radiation at all to assess.

Radiation on the Moon? It seems it is very hot on the Moon, when the Sun heats it up and very cold and frosty (and dark) on the other side. This is my assessment and understanding of radiation on the Moon. NASA has of course suggested it is possible to grow strawberries on the Moon but I have informed them the climate (radiation) is not suitable. My Moon-travel web site is pretty funny.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 14, 2017, 08:40:11 AM


So you don’t believe it’s possible to use the proper materials to dissipate heat?  As an engineer, surely you must be familiar with the specific heat capacities of certain ceramics.  These materials effectively insulate kilns & furnaces against heat that melt steel. You don’t think this kind of material can be engineered to protect against the heat of re-entry?

   

Mike

I describe re-entry, heat shields and various materials used to absorb the heat generated at my web site. The conclusion is that no spacecraft can survive re-entry. They will all be destroyed.
So you don't believe the materials won't protect against the heat of reentry?  Your website doesn't explain why our what is wrong with the material used.

You still haven’t explained the inconstancies between the moon and a-bomb websites on the assessment of radiation...or addressed Dr. Van Allen’s comment.   

Mike

Hm, according my understanding any material used to enable re-entry will simply melt, catch fire and be vaporized.

What inconstancies between my moon and a-bomb websites on the assessment of radiation are you talking about?

A-bombs do not work at all so there is no radiation at all to assess.

Radiation on the Moon? It seems it is very hot on the Moon, when the Sun heats it up and very cold and frosty (and dark) on the other side. This is my assessment and understanding of radiation on the Moon. NASA has of course suggested it is possible to grow strawberries on the Moon but I have informed them the climate (radiation) is not suitable. My Moon-travel web site is pretty funny.
Okay. I will post my question again.

On your a-bomb website you claim that radiation is harmless.
"Thus it seems most radiation is harmless and that the only risk is from radioactive fuel rests (ash) that is spread in the environment due to accidents, e.g. at nuclear power plants"

However, on your moon hoax website you claim that cosmic radiation is nasty stuff.
"And then there is the cosmic radiation! Nasty stuff!"

Why the inconsistencies?  Is radiation nasty stuff or is it harmless?

Dr. Van Allen doesn't think it's an issue so why do you?

"The claim that radiation exposure during the Apollo missions would have been fatal to the astronauts is only one example of such nonsense." -- Dr. James Van Allen
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 14, 2017, 08:54:30 AM


So you don’t believe it’s possible to use the proper materials to dissipate heat?  As an engineer, surely you must be familiar with the specific heat capacities of certain ceramics.  These materials effectively insulate kilns & furnaces against heat that melt steel. You don’t think this kind of material can be engineered to protect against the heat of re-entry?

   

Mike

I describe re-entry, heat shields and various materials used to absorb the heat generated at my web site. The conclusion is that no spacecraft can survive re-entry. They will all be destroyed.
Please elaborate as to why the materials used as heat shields will melt.  Your website does not explain why these materials are inadequate for the heat of reentry.  The tests and demonstrations I've seen show they withstand heat that would melt steel. 

When I was in college we blasted a block of the same material as the used as a heat shield on the shuttle (reinforced carbon–carbon) with a blow torch and we got it to over 2000°F with no damage.  You website doesn't discuss at what temperatures these heat shields are no longer effective nor does your website say what you calculate the actual temperature of reentry is.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 14, 2017, 09:09:27 AM


So you don’t believe it’s possible to use the proper materials to dissipate heat?  As an engineer, surely you must be familiar with the specific heat capacities of certain ceramics.  These materials effectively insulate kilns & furnaces against heat that melt steel. You don’t think this kind of material can be engineered to protect against the heat of re-entry?

   

Mike

I describe re-entry, heat shields and various materials used to absorb the heat generated at my web site. The conclusion is that no spacecraft can survive re-entry. They will all be destroyed.
So you don't believe the materials won't protect against the heat of reentry?  Your website doesn't explain why our what is wrong with the material used.

You still haven’t explained the inconstancies between the moon and a-bomb websites on the assessment of radiation...or addressed Dr. Van Allen’s comment.   

Mike

Hm, according my understanding any material used to enable re-entry will simply melt, catch fire and be vaporized.

What inconstancies between my moon and a-bomb websites on the assessment of radiation are you talking about?

A-bombs do not work at all so there is no radiation at all to assess.

Radiation on the Moon? It seems it is very hot on the Moon, when the Sun heats it up and very cold and frosty (and dark) on the other side. This is my assessment and understanding of radiation on the Moon. NASA has of course suggested it is possible to grow strawberries on the Moon but I have informed them the climate (radiation) is not suitable. My Moon-travel web site is pretty funny.
Okay. I will post my question again.

On your a-bomb website you claim that radiation is harmless.
"Thus it seems most radiation is harmless and that the only risk is from radioactive fuel rests (ash) that is spread in the environment due to accidents, e.g. at nuclear power plants"

However, on your moon hoax website you claim that cosmic radiation is nasty stuff.
"And then there is the cosmic radiation! Nasty stuff!"

Why the inconsistencies?  Is radiation nasty stuff or is it harmless?

Dr. Van Allen doesn't think it's an issue so why do you?

"The claim that radiation exposure during the Apollo missions would have been fatal to the astronauts is only one example of such nonsense." -- Dr. James Van Allen

Ok, on my a-bomb web page I suggest that radiation due to the tsunami flooding incident damaging the nuclear power plant at Fukushima today 2017 is harmless and that the authorities order people to return. I provide links to back it up.

On my human space travel web page I link to some sources suggesting that cosmic radiation in space will fry you to death. Dr. James Van Allen is contradicted by my links.

No inconsistencies at all. There are many types of radiation!

I am worried about NASA, though, suggesting that you can grow strawberries on the Moon. ESA has also suggested sallad will grow on the Moon. It sounds crazy to me. What do you think?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 14, 2017, 09:24:19 AM


So you don’t believe it’s possible to use the proper materials to dissipate heat?  As an engineer, surely you must be familiar with the specific heat capacities of certain ceramics.  These materials effectively insulate kilns & furnaces against heat that melt steel. You don’t think this kind of material can be engineered to protect against the heat of re-entry?

   

Mike

I describe re-entry, heat shields and various materials used to absorb the heat generated at my web site. The conclusion is that no spacecraft can survive re-entry. They will all be destroyed.
Please elaborate as to why the materials used as heat shields will melt.  Your website does not explain why these materials are inadequate for the heat of reentry.  The tests and demonstrations I've seen show they withstand heat that would melt steel. 

When I was in college we blasted a block of the same material as the used as a heat shield on the shuttle (reinforced carbon–carbon) with a blow torch and we got it to over 2000°F with no damage.  You website doesn't discuss at what temperatures these heat shields are no longer effective nor does your website say what you calculate the actual temperature of reentry is.

Mike

But I do explain it at my web page. The potential and kinetic energies (J) that must be transformed to heat due to friction and turbulence when re-entering are so great that any sort of brake (heat shield, tiles) will heat up >20 000C and melt and boil off.
Also the forces (N) developing during re-entering and applied on the spacecraft will (1) crush it and (2) start to spin it.

You really must read my complete web page and then copy/paste what you do not understand. I therefore break down my web pages in numbered chapters and sections. My web site is pretty big - 187 MB - and has taken years to build up. But all of it should be correct. Of course links to other sources, pictures and videos suddenly do not work - their authors remove them - and that is how the Internet works.

Example - Swedish government paid SEK millions to explain the sinking of M/S Estonia 1994. All the scientific papers were originally available on the Internet. Then I started to link to them pointing out errors. And POUFF - the papers disappeared.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: onebigmonkey on July 14, 2017, 10:09:46 AM
You do realise that the point of an ablative heat shield is that it is actually destroyed right?

No, of course you don't.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 14, 2017, 11:04:51 AM
You do realise that the point of an ablative heat shield is that it is actually destroyed right?

No, of course you don't.

I explain it at my web site. It is basic. The heat shield melts ... and cannot brake anything.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: markjo on July 14, 2017, 11:18:59 AM
I am worried about NASA, though, suggesting that you can grow strawberries on the Moon. ESA has also suggested sallad will grow on the Moon. It sounds crazy to me. What do you think?

I think that you have a lot to learn about modern indoor gardening.
https://www.planetnatural.com/growing-indoors/
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Pezevenk on July 14, 2017, 11:21:25 AM
You do realise that the point of an ablative heat shield is that it is actually destroyed right?

No, of course you don't.

I explain it at my web site. It is basic. The heat shield melts ... and cannot brake anything.

Exactly, it melts. If it didn't melt it wouldn't be an ablating heat shield  ::)
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: frenat on July 14, 2017, 11:23:17 AM
You do realise that the point of an ablative heat shield is that it is actually destroyed right?

No, of course you don't.

I explain it at my web site. It is basic. The heat shield melts ... and cannot brake anything.

translation: I don't understand it so I assume nobody else does either.  At my website I assert it can't work with lots of arguments from incredulity (my favorite logical fallacy!!) but nothing else.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: markjo on July 14, 2017, 11:27:54 AM
But I do explain it at my web page. The potential and kinetic energies (J) that must be transformed to heat due to friction and turbulence when re-entering are so great that any sort of brake (heat shield, tiles) will heat up >20 000C and melt and boil off.
Did your calculations take into consideration the subsonic boundary layer between the detached bow shock and the reentry vehicle?

Also the forces (N) developing during re-entering and applied on the spacecraft will (1) crush it and (2) start to spin it.
Did your calculations take into account the structural integrity and aerodynamic properties of the reentry vehicle?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 14, 2017, 11:54:57 AM
But I do explain it at my web page. The potential and kinetic energies (J) that must be transformed to heat due to friction and turbulence when re-entering are so great that any sort of brake (heat shield, tiles) will heat up >20 000C and melt and boil off.
Did your calculations take into consideration the subsonic boundary layer between the detached bow shock and the reentry vehicle?

Also the forces (N) developing during re-entering and applied on the spacecraft will (1) crush it and (2) start to spin it.
Did your calculations take into account the structural integrity and aerodynamic properties of the reentry vehicle?

Why do you always ask stupid questions, twerp? The answers are at my web site. Just find the answers yourself.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on July 14, 2017, 12:18:31 PM
I guess Heiwa thinks that sweat cooling your skin as it evaporates is a lie also, since ablative heat shielding works along the same principle: Melting off and taking away the heat with it.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 14, 2017, 01:22:56 PM
Please elaborate as to why the materials used as heat shields will melt.  Your website does not explain why these materials are inadequate for the heat of reentry.  The tests and demonstrations I've seen show they withstand heat that would melt steel. 

When I was in college we blasted a block of the same material as the used as a heat shield on the shuttle (reinforced carbon–carbon) with a blow torch and we got it to over 2000°F with no damage.  You website doesn't discuss at what temperatures these heat shields are no longer effective nor does your website say what you calculate the actual temperature of reentry is.

Mike

But I do explain it at my web page. The potential and kinetic energies (J) that must be transformed to heat due to friction and turbulence when re-entering are so great that any sort of brake (heat shield, tiles) will heat up >20 000C and melt and boil off.
Also the forces (N) developing during re-entering and applied on the spacecraft will (1) crush it and (2) start to spin it.

You really must read my complete web page and then copy/paste what you do not understand. I therefore break down my web pages in numbered chapters and sections. My web site is pretty big - 187 MB - and has taken years to build up. But all of it should be correct. Of course links to other sources, pictures and videos suddenly do not work - their authors remove them - and that is how the Internet works.

Example - Swedish government paid SEK millions to explain the sinking of M/S Estonia 1994. All the scientific papers were originally available on the Internet. Then I started to link to them pointing out errors. And POUFF - the papers disappeared.
Where did you come up with 20,000° C?  That’s nearly an order of magnitude higher it really is.  Can I see your calculations for that because that’s got to be wrong?  The 
Chromosphere of the sun is 20,000° C. 

IIRC, it’s more along the lines of 2000-2500° C.  A much more manageable value and well with the limits modern ceramics and carbon based materials.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 14, 2017, 01:24:24 PM
But I do explain it at my web page. The potential and kinetic energies (J) that must be transformed to heat due to friction and turbulence when re-entering are so great that any sort of brake (heat shield, tiles) will heat up >20 000C and melt and boil off.
Did your calculations take into consideration the subsonic boundary layer between the detached bow shock and the reentry vehicle?

Also the forces (N) developing during re-entering and applied on the spacecraft will (1) crush it and (2) start to spin it.
Did your calculations take into account the structural integrity and aerodynamic properties of the reentry vehicle?

Why do you always ask stupid questions, twerp? The answers are at my web site. Just find the answers yourself.
And you have the gall to tell me I have to be polite and civil.  Apparently, you don't believe the same applies to you?

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: markjo on July 14, 2017, 05:05:49 PM
But I do explain it at my web page. The potential and kinetic energies (J) that must be transformed to heat due to friction and turbulence when re-entering are so great that any sort of brake (heat shield, tiles) will heat up >20 000C and melt and boil off.
Did your calculations take into consideration the subsonic boundary layer between the detached bow shock and the reentry vehicle?

Also the forces (N) developing during re-entering and applied on the spacecraft will (1) crush it and (2) start to spin it.
Did your calculations take into account the structural integrity and aerodynamic properties of the reentry vehicle?

Why do you always ask stupid questions, twerp? The answers are at my web site. Just find the answers yourself.
I'm sorry but I looked and could find no reference to "bow shock waves" on your space travel page.  Would you please provide the relevant citation?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 14, 2017, 08:21:23 PM
But I do explain it at my web page. The potential and kinetic energies (J) that must be transformed to heat due to friction and turbulence when re-entering are so great that any sort of brake (heat shield, tiles) will heat up >20 000C and melt and boil off.
Did your calculations take into consideration the subsonic boundary layer between the detached bow shock and the reentry vehicle?

Also the forces (N) developing during re-entering and applied on the spacecraft will (1) crush it and (2) start to spin it.
Did your calculations take into account the structural integrity and aerodynamic properties of the reentry vehicle?

Why do you always ask stupid questions, twerp? The answers are at my web site. Just find the answers yourself.
I'm sorry but I looked and could find no reference to "bow shock waves" on your space travel page.  Would you please provide the relevant citation?
See http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm#213 !

Just read the whole chapter 2.13 - Braking using a heat shield. I cannot copy/paste all  here, but one part is:

"The potential and kinetic energy of a 5 486 kg Apollo module at 100 000 m altitude and 11 200 m/s velocity is 5 486*(100 000*9.8 + (11 200)²/2) = 349 458 200 kJ.

The potential and kinetic energy of the same 5 486 kg Apollo module at say 15 000 m altitude and 350 m/s velocity is 5 486*(15.000*9.8 + (350)²/2) = 1 142 560 kJ.

The difference 348 315 640 kJ has been absorbed one way or another by the heat shield AVCOAT.

If such AVCOAT can absorb 418 680.0 kJ/kg before getting vaporized, it seems you need 832 kg of AVCOAT in the Apollo heat shield. To be on the safe side, you need say 2 400 kg, but then 44% of the module is AVCOAT and there is no space for any human heroes.

Question is - how can anything absorb 418 680.0 kJ/kg heat up in thin thermo-mesosphere/space?

It seems the specific heat of AVCOAT plastic is 1.67 kJ/kgK. Say that the AVCOAT melts at about 520 ºK but that it has temperature say -3C (270 K) in space at re-entry. It means that it will melt at temperature 250C. It means that 1 kg of AVCOAT can only absorb 418 kJ before it starts to melt (and flow away), i.e. 1/1000 of amount for it to be vaporized!"


If you don't agree with anything, just tell me.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: markjo on July 14, 2017, 08:47:45 PM
But I do explain it at my web page. The potential and kinetic energies (J) that must be transformed to heat due to friction and turbulence when re-entering are so great that any sort of brake (heat shield, tiles) will heat up >20 000C and melt and boil off.
Did your calculations take into consideration the subsonic boundary layer between the detached bow shock and the reentry vehicle?

Also the forces (N) developing during re-entering and applied on the spacecraft will (1) crush it and (2) start to spin it.
Did your calculations take into account the structural integrity and aerodynamic properties of the reentry vehicle?

Why do you always ask stupid questions, twerp? The answers are at my web site. Just find the answers yourself.
I'm sorry but I looked and could find no reference to "bow shock waves" on your space travel page.  Would you please provide the relevant citation?
See http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm#213 !

Just read the whole chapter 2.13 - Braking using a heat shield. I cannot copy/paste all  here, but one part is:

"The potential and kinetic energy of a 5 486 kg Apollo module at 100 000 m altitude and 11 200 m/s velocity is 5 486*(100 000*9.8 + (11 200)²/2) = 349 458 200 kJ.

The potential and kinetic energy of the same 5 486 kg Apollo module at say 15 000 m altitude and 350 m/s velocity is 5 486*(15.000*9.8 + (350)²/2) = 1 142 560 kJ.

The difference 348 315 640 kJ has been absorbed one way or another by the heat shield AVCOAT.

If such AVCOAT can absorb 418 680.0 kJ/kg before getting vaporized, it seems you need 832 kg of AVCOAT in the Apollo heat shield. To be on the safe side, you need say 2 400 kg, but then 44% of the module is AVCOAT and there is no space for any human heroes.

Question is - how can anything absorb 418 680.0 kJ/kg heat up in thin thermo-mesosphere/space?

It seems the specific heat of AVCOAT plastic is 1.67 kJ/kgK. Say that the AVCOAT melts at about 520 ºK but that it has temperature say -3C (270 K) in space at re-entry. It means that it will melt at temperature 250C. It means that 1 kg of AVCOAT can only absorb 418 kJ before it starts to melt (and flow away), i.e. 1/1000 of amount for it to be vaporized!"


If you don't agree with anything, just tell me.
I'm sorry, but I still can't see any reference to a detached bow shock wave or the associated boundary layer that forms.

Just as an FYI, this is what I'm referring to:
Quote from: http://ccar.colorado.edu/asen5050/projects/projects_2014/Smith_Dalton/Aerodynamics.html
(http://ccar.colorado.edu/asen5050/projects/projects_2014/Smith_Dalton/Bowshock.jpg)
Blunt bodies, rather than sharp bodies like the V-2,  moving at high Mach numbers generate a shock wave that reside in front of the vehicle, not attached to the body.  These shocks are known as bow shocks.  Bow shocks allow much more of the heat to be dissipated into the surrounding air rather than directly into the body, and provide massive amounts of drag to reduce speed.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 14, 2017, 08:55:51 PM
But I do explain it at my web page. The potential and kinetic energies (J) that must be transformed to heat due to friction and turbulence when re-entering are so great that any sort of brake (heat shield, tiles) will heat up >20 000C and melt and boil off.
Did your calculations take into consideration the subsonic boundary layer between the detached bow shock and the reentry vehicle?

Also the forces (N) developing during re-entering and applied on the spacecraft will (1) crush it and (2) start to spin it.
Did your calculations take into account the structural integrity and aerodynamic properties of the reentry vehicle?

Why do you always ask stupid questions, twerp? The answers are at my web site. Just find the answers yourself.
I'm sorry but I looked and could find no reference to "bow shock waves" on your space travel page.  Would you please provide the relevant citation?
See http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm#213 !

Just read the whole chapter 2.13 - Braking using a heat shield. I cannot copy/paste all  here, but one part is:

"The potential and kinetic energy of a 5 486 kg Apollo module at 100 000 m altitude and 11 200 m/s velocity is 5 486*(100 000*9.8 + (11 200)²/2) = 349 458 200 kJ.

The potential and kinetic energy of the same 5 486 kg Apollo module at say 15 000 m altitude and 350 m/s velocity is 5 486*(15.000*9.8 + (350)²/2) = 1 142 560 kJ.

The difference 348 315 640 kJ has been absorbed one way or another by the heat shield AVCOAT.

If such AVCOAT can absorb 418 680.0 kJ/kg before getting vaporized, it seems you need 832 kg of AVCOAT in the Apollo heat shield. To be on the safe side, you need say 2 400 kg, but then 44% of the module is AVCOAT and there is no space for any human heroes.

Question is - how can anything absorb 418 680.0 kJ/kg heat up in thin thermo-mesosphere/space?

It seems the specific heat of AVCOAT plastic is 1.67 kJ/kgK. Say that the AVCOAT melts at about 520 ºK but that it has temperature say -3C (270 K) in space at re-entry. It means that it will melt at temperature 250C. It means that 1 kg of AVCOAT can only absorb 418 kJ before it starts to melt (and flow away), i.e. 1/1000 of amount for it to be vaporized!"


If you don't agree with anything, just tell me.
I'm sorry, but I still can't see any reference to a detached bow shock wave or the associated boundary layer that forms.

Just as an FYI, this is what I'm referring to:
Quote from: http://ccar.colorado.edu/asen5050/projects/projects_2014/Smith_Dalton/Aerodynamics.html
(http://ccar.colorado.edu/asen5050/projects/projects_2014/Smith_Dalton/Bowshock.jpg)
Blunt bodies, rather than sharp bodies like the V-2,  moving at high Mach numbers generate a shock wave that reside in front of the vehicle, not attached to the body.  These shocks are known as bow shocks.  Bow shocks allow much more of the heat to be dissipated into the surrounding air rather than directly into the body, and provide massive amounts of drag to reduce speed.

Well, my web page linked to above has nothing about 'bow shocks' (LOL) where the heat disappears. I think your 'bow shocks' is an invention to confuse matters. The photo you provide is ridiculous. Where did you find it, Link pls!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: markjo on July 14, 2017, 09:12:53 PM
Just as an FYI, this is what I'm referring to:
Quote from: http://ccar.colorado.edu/asen5050/projects/projects_2014/Smith_Dalton/Aerodynamics.html
(http://ccar.colorado.edu/asen5050/projects/projects_2014/Smith_Dalton/Bowshock.jpg)
Blunt bodies, rather than sharp bodies like the V-2,  moving at high Mach numbers generate a shock wave that reside in front of the vehicle, not attached to the body.  These shocks are known as bow shocks.  Bow shocks allow much more of the heat to be dissipated into the surrounding air rather than directly into the body, and provide massive amounts of drag to reduce speed.



Well, my web page linked to above has nothing about 'bow shocks' (LOL) where the heat disappears.
Yes, I know.  That's why I was asking.

I think your 'bow shocks' is an invention to confuse matters.
You claim to know about aerodynamics but don't know about shock waves?  Tsk, tsk.

The photo you provide is ridiculous. Where did you find it, Link pls!
Wow, it seems that you don't even know that the link is in the "Quote from:" line. ::)

Here it is again: http://ccar.colorado.edu/asen5050/projects/projects_2014/Smith_Dalton/Aerodynamics.html
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 14, 2017, 09:18:59 PM
Just as an FYI, this is what I'm referring to:
Quote from: http://ccar.colorado.edu/asen5050/projects/projects_2014/Smith_Dalton/Aerodynamics.html
(http://ccar.colorado.edu/asen5050/projects/projects_2014/Smith_Dalton/Bowshock.jpg)
Blunt bodies, rather than sharp bodies like the V-2,  moving at high Mach numbers generate a shock wave that reside in front of the vehicle, not attached to the body.  These shocks are known as bow shocks.  Bow shocks allow much more of the heat to be dissipated into the surrounding air rather than directly into the body, and provide massive amounts of drag to reduce speed.



Well, my web page linked to above has nothing about 'bow shocks' (LOL) where the heat disappears.
Yes, I know.  That's why I was asking.

I think your 'bow shocks' is an invention to confuse matters.
You claim to know about aerodynamics but don't know about shock waves?  Tsk, tsk.

The photo you provide is ridiculous. Where did you find it, Link pls!
Wow, it seems that you don't even know that the link is in the "Quote from:" line. ::)

Here it is again: http://ccar.colorado.edu/asen5050/projects/projects_2014/Smith_Dalton/Aerodynamics.html

Thanks for link. It doesn't prove anything.
And the photo has been provided by NASA! It says everything. It is as real as a $3.47 bill.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Bullwinkle on July 14, 2017, 09:29:33 PM
It is as real as a $3.47 bill.


or a zillion Heiwa doubloons
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: markjo on July 14, 2017, 09:31:22 PM
Just as an FYI, this is what I'm referring to:
Quote from: http://ccar.colorado.edu/asen5050/projects/projects_2014/Smith_Dalton/Aerodynamics.html
(http://ccar.colorado.edu/asen5050/projects/projects_2014/Smith_Dalton/Bowshock.jpg)
Blunt bodies, rather than sharp bodies like the V-2,  moving at high Mach numbers generate a shock wave that reside in front of the vehicle, not attached to the body.  These shocks are known as bow shocks.  Bow shocks allow much more of the heat to be dissipated into the surrounding air rather than directly into the body, and provide massive amounts of drag to reduce speed.



Well, my web page linked to above has nothing about 'bow shocks' (LOL) where the heat disappears.
Yes, I know.  That's why I was asking.

I think your 'bow shocks' is an invention to confuse matters.
You claim to know about aerodynamics but don't know about shock waves?  Tsk, tsk.

The photo you provide is ridiculous. Where did you find it, Link pls!
Wow, it seems that you don't even know that the link is in the "Quote from:" line. ::)

Here it is again: http://ccar.colorado.edu/asen5050/projects/projects_2014/Smith_Dalton/Aerodynamics.html

Thanks for link. It doesn't prove anything.
And the photo has been provided by NASA! It says everything. It is as real as a $3.47 bill.
I'd say that it's at least as real as your million euro challenge.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 14, 2017, 09:47:47 PM

I'd say that it's at least as real as your million euro challenge.

Hm, but my five Challenges are real! http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm . And you have not managed any of them, loser.
And then you pull your standard trick, change of topic! Bow shocks!
What do I know about bow shocks?
I thought you referred to sea waves hitting ship bows in a storm! I have described them a long time ago at http://heiwaco.com/epunkt36.htm .

According to the Swedish government and their experts bow shocks against visors on ferries at sea are neither seen, heard nor felt at sea.

They didn't like me when I invited them on a cruise on one of my ferries to demonstrate what happens in a storm.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Bullwinkle on July 14, 2017, 09:51:01 PM

They didn't like me when I invited them on a cruise on one of my ferries to demonstrate what happens in a storm.



Who the hell would go to sea with a zortch like you?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on July 14, 2017, 11:03:36 PM
The title of this thread is getting confirmed over and over and over again.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 14, 2017, 11:34:15 PM

They didn't like me when I invited them on a cruise on one of my ferries to demonstrate what happens in a storm.



Who the hell would go to sea with a zortch like you?
Millions paid a ticket to do so. And we travel slowly - 16 knots.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Kami on July 15, 2017, 05:42:53 AM
The title of this thread is getting confirmed over and over and over again.

I dont't know.. he has rarely mentioned poop on the last pages...

On the rest I completely agree..
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 15, 2017, 06:07:01 AM
The title of this thread is getting confirmed over and over and over again.

I dont't know.. he has rarely mentioned poop on the last pages...

On the rest I completely agree..

You simply do not understand how the world works. Arabs, e.g. like to be clean and sober and wash carefully before regular prayers and meals and all the time. So our business was transporting pilgrims to Jeddah by sea, >2000 every trip. That's when I invented the Björkman public sanitary deck facilities with 60 WCs, 60 showers and 60 wash basins in one deck house, easy to clean with one hose before regular invasions of travellers. You sound like a dirty, anglo twerp, with a shitty ass not knowing how to be clean yourself, e.g. using water.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Bullwinkle on July 15, 2017, 06:43:30 AM
. . . I invented the Björkman public sanitary deck facilities with 60 WCs, 60 showers and 60 wash basins in one deck house, easy to clean with one hose before regular invasions of travellers.

An invention is something that is new, unique and not obvious.

More showers is just more showers.

Ergo, not an invention. 


Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Kami on July 15, 2017, 06:45:44 AM
The title of this thread is getting confirmed over and over and over again.

I dont't know.. he has rarely mentioned poop on the last pages...

On the rest I completely agree..

You simply do not understand how the world works. Arabs, e.g. like to be clean and sober and wash carefully before regular prayers and meals and all the time. So our business was transporting pilgrims to Jeddah by sea, >2000 every trip. That's when I invented the Björkman public sanitary deck facilities with 60 WCs, 60 showers and 60 wash basins in one deck house, easy to clean with one hose before regular invasions of travellers. You sound like a dirty, anglo twerp, with a shitty ass not knowing how to be clean yourself, e.g. using water.

You love naming things after you, right? Seems kind of narcistic to me.
Also, you are very angry today. Did you not take your meds?

But thank you for proving your obsession with poop again, in addition to your lack of understanding in everything.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 15, 2017, 07:00:32 AM
Just as an FYI, this is what I'm referring to:
Quote from: http://ccar.colorado.edu/asen5050/projects/projects_2014/Smith_Dalton/Aerodynamics.html
(http://ccar.colorado.edu/asen5050/projects/projects_2014/Smith_Dalton/Bowshock.jpg)
Blunt bodies, rather than sharp bodies like the V-2,  moving at high Mach numbers generate a shock wave that reside in front of the vehicle, not attached to the body.  These shocks are known as bow shocks.  Bow shocks allow much more of the heat to be dissipated into the surrounding air rather than directly into the body, and provide massive amounts of drag to reduce speed.

Well, my web page linked to above has nothing about 'bow shocks' (LOL) where the heat disappears.
Yes, I know.  That's why I was asking.

I think your 'bow shocks' is an invention to confuse matters.
You claim to know about aerodynamics but don't know about shock waves?  Tsk, tsk.

The photo you provide is ridiculous. Where did you find it, Link pls!
Wow, it seems that you don't even know that the link is in the "Quote from:" line. ::)

Here it is again: http://ccar.colorado.edu/asen5050/projects/projects_2014/Smith_Dalton/Aerodynamics.html

Thanks for link. It doesn't prove anything.
And the photo has been provided by NASA! It says everything. It is as real as a $3.47 bill.

You tell us you're and engineer and you really don't believe this is possible?  Seriously?  You say you're an expert in dynamics and analysis and you're seriously going to say it's impossible to engineer a vehicle to withstand the shock wave.  Something stinks here and I don’t mean poo. 

Either you’re a troll who loves spinning people up or you don’t know shit about dynamic stress analysis.  Keep in mind I do the same type of analysis you claim to be an expert in.  All the same forces, e.g. pitch, roll, etc.  I also take into account dynamic forces your sanitary systems on a ferry would never see.  Things like submergence and, well…battle.  I’m not bragging.  I say this so that you know you can’t pull the wool over my eyes.

If you actually know anything about 3D modeling and analysis then it should be child’s play to model a Mercury capsule and verify the aerodynamics.  You should easily be able to tell whether or not it achieves equilibrium upon reentry.  But, of course, you don’t even try.  You link to other people’s conjecture and opinion that you blindly believe like some naive child. 

That’s what I find so suspicious.  You don’t even try to verify the claims in the links that you provide as “proof” when you profess to have your own company with the capability to verify it all.

You need to stop linking to other people’s conjecture as “proof” and do your own work.  You’re an engineer.  Act like one and do your own work.

The very fact that you believe we can put something into orbit but can’t bring it back down just boggles the mind.  You’re and engineer...really?  If you really understood the forces, moments, and couples involved you’d know how silly your manned spaceflight webpage is.

I’m sorry but I cannot take anything you say seriously.  Your signature is so apropos.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 15, 2017, 07:31:46 AM
Just as an FYI, this is what I'm referring to:
Quote from: http://ccar.colorado.edu/asen5050/projects/projects_2014/Smith_Dalton/Aerodynamics.html
(http://ccar.colorado.edu/asen5050/projects/projects_2014/Smith_Dalton/Bowshock.jpg)
Blunt bodies, rather than sharp bodies like the V-2,  moving at high Mach numbers generate a shock wave that reside in front of the vehicle, not attached to the body.  These shocks are known as bow shocks.  Bow shocks allow much more of the heat to be dissipated into the surrounding air rather than directly into the body, and provide massive amounts of drag to reduce speed.

Well, my web page linked to above has nothing about 'bow shocks' (LOL) where the heat disappears.
Yes, I know.  That's why I was asking.

I think your 'bow shocks' is an invention to confuse matters.
You claim to know about aerodynamics but don't know about shock waves?  Tsk, tsk.

The photo you provide is ridiculous. Where did you find it, Link pls!
Wow, it seems that you don't even know that the link is in the "Quote from:" line. ::)

Here it is again: http://ccar.colorado.edu/asen5050/projects/projects_2014/Smith_Dalton/Aerodynamics.html

Thanks for link. It doesn't prove anything.
And the photo has been provided by NASA! It says everything. It is as real as a $3.47 bill.

You tell us you're and engineer and you really don't believe this is possible?  Seriously?  You say you're an expert in dynamics and analysis and you're seriously going to say it's impossible to engineer a vehicle to withstand the shock wave.  Something stinks here and I don’t mean poo. 

Either you’re a troll who loves spinning people up or you don’t know shit about dynamic stress analysis.  Keep in mind I do the same type of analysis you claim to be an expert in.  All the same forces, e.g. pitch, roll, etc.  I also take into account dynamic forces your sanitary systems on a ferry would never see.  Things like submergence and, well…battle.  I’m not bragging.  I say this so that you know you can’t pull the wool over my eyes.

If you actually know anything about 3D modeling and analysis then it should be child’s play to model a Mercury capsule and verify the aerodynamics.  You should easily be able to tell whether or not it achieves equilibrium upon reentry.  But, of course, you don’t even try.  You link to other people’s conjecture and opinion that you blindly believe like some naive child. 

That’s what I find so suspicious.  You don’t even try to verify the claims in the links that you provide as “proof” when you profess to have your own company with the capability to verify it all.

You need to stop linking to other people’s conjecture as “proof” and do your own work.  You’re an engineer.  Act like one and do your own work.

The very fact that you believe we can put something into orbit but can’t bring it back down just boggles the mind.  You’re and engineer...really?  If you really understood the forces, moments, and couples involved you’d know how silly your manned spaceflight webpage is.

I’m sorry but I cannot take anything you say seriously.  Your signature is so apropos.

Mike

Hm, http://heiwaco.com/cv.htm tells a little about me. Ships operate in the wavy interface water/air and it is quite complex to say the least, even if the velocities are low. The loads are applied in all directions and any hydrodynamic analysis is difficult. Similar to space travel in a way. We always tested our newbuildings in testing tanks and I supervised the test. Etc, etc.
I always use first principles to design ships and structures  and I have designed many.

You sound like a loser, micro.

And sub-topic was 'bow shocks' that someone just invented and not shock waves. A 'bow shock' lasts 10 minutes during re-entry and destroys anything trying to re-enter.

Only twerps think 'bow shocks' deflect friction heat, etc, etc.


Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 15, 2017, 07:39:56 AM
Just as an FYI, this is what I'm referring to:
Quote from: http://ccar.colorado.edu/asen5050/projects/projects_2014/Smith_Dalton/Aerodynamics.html
(http://ccar.colorado.edu/asen5050/projects/projects_2014/Smith_Dalton/Bowshock.jpg)
Blunt bodies, rather than sharp bodies like the V-2,  moving at high Mach numbers generate a shock wave that reside in front of the vehicle, not attached to the body.  These shocks are known as bow shocks.  Bow shocks allow much more of the heat to be dissipated into the surrounding air rather than directly into the body, and provide massive amounts of drag to reduce speed.

Well, my web page linked to above has nothing about 'bow shocks' (LOL) where the heat disappears.
Yes, I know.  That's why I was asking.

I think your 'bow shocks' is an invention to confuse matters.
You claim to know about aerodynamics but don't know about shock waves?  Tsk, tsk.

The photo you provide is ridiculous. Where did you find it, Link pls!
Wow, it seems that you don't even know that the link is in the "Quote from:" line. ::)

Here it is again: http://ccar.colorado.edu/asen5050/projects/projects_2014/Smith_Dalton/Aerodynamics.html

Thanks for link. It doesn't prove anything.
And the photo has been provided by NASA! It says everything. It is as real as a $3.47 bill.

You tell us you're and engineer and you really don't believe this is possible?  Seriously?  You say you're an expert in dynamics and analysis and you're seriously going to say it's impossible to engineer a vehicle to withstand the shock wave.  Something stinks here and I don’t mean poo. 

Either you’re a troll who loves spinning people up or you don’t know shit about dynamic stress analysis.  Keep in mind I do the same type of analysis you claim to be an expert in.  All the same forces, e.g. pitch, roll, etc.  I also take into account dynamic forces your sanitary systems on a ferry would never see.  Things like submergence and, well…battle.  I’m not bragging.  I say this so that you know you can’t pull the wool over my eyes.

If you actually know anything about 3D modeling and analysis then it should be child’s play to model a Mercury capsule and verify the aerodynamics.  You should easily be able to tell whether or not it achieves equilibrium upon reentry.  But, of course, you don’t even try.  You link to other people’s conjecture and opinion that you blindly believe like some naive child. 

That’s what I find so suspicious.  You don’t even try to verify the claims in the links that you provide as “proof” when you profess to have your own company with the capability to verify it all.

You need to stop linking to other people’s conjecture as “proof” and do your own work.  You’re an engineer.  Act like one and do your own work.

The very fact that you believe we can put something into orbit but can’t bring it back down just boggles the mind.  You’re and engineer...really?  If you really understood the forces, moments, and couples involved you’d know how silly your manned spaceflight webpage is.

I’m sorry but I cannot take anything you say seriously.  Your signature is so apropos.

Mike

Hm, http://heiwaco.com/cv.htm tells a little about me. Ships operate in the wavy interface water/air and it is quite complex to say the least, even if the velocities are low. The loads are applied in all directions and any hydrodynamic analysis is difficult. Similar to space travel in a way. We always tested our newbuildings in testing tanks and I supervised the test. Etc, etc.
I always use first principles to design ships and structures  and I have designed many.

You sound like a loser, micro.

And sub-topic was 'bow shocks' that someone just invented and not shock waves. A 'bow shock' lasts 10 minutes during re-entry and destroys anything trying to re-enter.

Only twerps think 'bow shocks' deflect friction heat, etc, etc.
You say I'm a loser because it deflects from you having address the fact that I said you won't or can't do your own analysis work; that you blindly believe others opinions.  As if everyone here can't see right through you.

If I wanted to prove something wasn't possible I'd do my own analysis and not rely on someone else's unverifiable crap.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 15, 2017, 08:08:38 AM
Just as an FYI, this is what I'm referring to:
Quote from: http://ccar.colorado.edu/asen5050/projects/projects_2014/Smith_Dalton/Aerodynamics.html
(http://ccar.colorado.edu/asen5050/projects/projects_2014/Smith_Dalton/Bowshock.jpg)
Blunt bodies, rather than sharp bodies like the V-2,  moving at high Mach numbers generate a shock wave that reside in front of the vehicle, not attached to the body.  These shocks are known as bow shocks.  Bow shocks allow much more of the heat to be dissipated into the surrounding air rather than directly into the body, and provide massive amounts of drag to reduce speed.

Well, my web page linked to above has nothing about 'bow shocks' (LOL) where the heat disappears.
Yes, I know.  That's why I was asking.

I think your 'bow shocks' is an invention to confuse matters.
You claim to know about aerodynamics but don't know about shock waves?  Tsk, tsk.

The photo you provide is ridiculous. Where did you find it, Link pls!
Wow, it seems that you don't even know that the link is in the "Quote from:" line. ::)

Here it is again: http://ccar.colorado.edu/asen5050/projects/projects_2014/Smith_Dalton/Aerodynamics.html

Thanks for link. It doesn't prove anything.
And the photo has been provided by NASA! It says everything. It is as real as a $3.47 bill.

You tell us you're and engineer and you really don't believe this is possible?  Seriously?  You say you're an expert in dynamics and analysis and you're seriously going to say it's impossible to engineer a vehicle to withstand the shock wave.  Something stinks here and I don’t mean poo. 

Either you’re a troll who loves spinning people up or you don’t know shit about dynamic stress analysis.  Keep in mind I do the same type of analysis you claim to be an expert in.  All the same forces, e.g. pitch, roll, etc.  I also take into account dynamic forces your sanitary systems on a ferry would never see.  Things like submergence and, well…battle.  I’m not bragging.  I say this so that you know you can’t pull the wool over my eyes.

If you actually know anything about 3D modeling and analysis then it should be child’s play to model a Mercury capsule and verify the aerodynamics.  You should easily be able to tell whether or not it achieves equilibrium upon reentry.  But, of course, you don’t even try.  You link to other people’s conjecture and opinion that you blindly believe like some naive child. 

That’s what I find so suspicious.  You don’t even try to verify the claims in the links that you provide as “proof” when you profess to have your own company with the capability to verify it all.

You need to stop linking to other people’s conjecture as “proof” and do your own work.  You’re an engineer.  Act like one and do your own work.

The very fact that you believe we can put something into orbit but can’t bring it back down just boggles the mind.  You’re and engineer...really?  If you really understood the forces, moments, and couples involved you’d know how silly your manned spaceflight webpage is.

I’m sorry but I cannot take anything you say seriously.  Your signature is so apropos.

Mike

Hm, http://heiwaco.com/cv.htm tells a little about me. Ships operate in the wavy interface water/air and it is quite complex to say the least, even if the velocities are low. The loads are applied in all directions and any hydrodynamic analysis is difficult. Similar to space travel in a way. We always tested our newbuildings in testing tanks and I supervised the test. Etc, etc.
I always use first principles to design ships and structures  and I have designed many.

You sound like a loser, micro.

And sub-topic was 'bow shocks' that someone just invented and not shock waves. A 'bow shock' lasts 10 minutes during re-entry and destroys anything trying to re-enter.

Only twerps think 'bow shocks' deflect friction heat, etc, etc.
You say I'm a loser because it deflects from you having address the fact that I said you won't or can't do your own analysis work; that you blindly believe others opinions.  As if everyone here can't see right through you.

If I wanted to prove something wasn't possible I'd do my own analysis and not rely on someone else's unverifiable crap.

Mike


Hm, as I said - http://heiwaco.com/cv.htm tells a little about me. Suggest you study it.

Do you really believe that a 'bow shock' that lasts 10-15 minutes at variable speeds in a variable density atmosphere can slow down anything and at the the same time protect a capsule landing on Earth.

Only twerps do!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 15, 2017, 08:39:35 AM
Just as an FYI, this is what I'm referring to:
Quote from: http://ccar.colorado.edu/asen5050/projects/projects_2014/Smith_Dalton/Aerodynamics.html
(http://ccar.colorado.edu/asen5050/projects/projects_2014/Smith_Dalton/Bowshock.jpg)
Blunt bodies, rather than sharp bodies like the V-2,  moving at high Mach numbers generate a shock wave that reside in front of the vehicle, not attached to the body.  These shocks are known as bow shocks.  Bow shocks allow much more of the heat to be dissipated into the surrounding air rather than directly into the body, and provide massive amounts of drag to reduce speed.

Well, my web page linked to above has nothing about 'bow shocks' (LOL) where the heat disappears.
Yes, I know.  That's why I was asking.

I think your 'bow shocks' is an invention to confuse matters.
You claim to know about aerodynamics but don't know about shock waves?  Tsk, tsk.

The photo you provide is ridiculous. Where did you find it, Link pls!
Wow, it seems that you don't even know that the link is in the "Quote from:" line. ::)

Here it is again: http://ccar.colorado.edu/asen5050/projects/projects_2014/Smith_Dalton/Aerodynamics.html

Thanks for link. It doesn't prove anything.
And the photo has been provided by NASA! It says everything. It is as real as a $3.47 bill.

You tell us you're and engineer and you really don't believe this is possible?  Seriously?  You say you're an expert in dynamics and analysis and you're seriously going to say it's impossible to engineer a vehicle to withstand the shock wave.  Something stinks here and I don’t mean poo. 

Either you’re a troll who loves spinning people up or you don’t know shit about dynamic stress analysis.  Keep in mind I do the same type of analysis you claim to be an expert in.  All the same forces, e.g. pitch, roll, etc.  I also take into account dynamic forces your sanitary systems on a ferry would never see.  Things like submergence and, well…battle.  I’m not bragging.  I say this so that you know you can’t pull the wool over my eyes.

If you actually know anything about 3D modeling and analysis then it should be child’s play to model a Mercury capsule and verify the aerodynamics.  You should easily be able to tell whether or not it achieves equilibrium upon reentry.  But, of course, you don’t even try.  You link to other people’s conjecture and opinion that you blindly believe like some naive child. 

That’s what I find so suspicious.  You don’t even try to verify the claims in the links that you provide as “proof” when you profess to have your own company with the capability to verify it all.

You need to stop linking to other people’s conjecture as “proof” and do your own work.  You’re an engineer.  Act like one and do your own work.

The very fact that you believe we can put something into orbit but can’t bring it back down just boggles the mind.  You’re and engineer...really?  If you really understood the forces, moments, and couples involved you’d know how silly your manned spaceflight webpage is.

I’m sorry but I cannot take anything you say seriously.  Your signature is so apropos.

Mike

Hm, http://heiwaco.com/cv.htm tells a little about me. Ships operate in the wavy interface water/air and it is quite complex to say the least, even if the velocities are low. The loads are applied in all directions and any hydrodynamic analysis is difficult. Similar to space travel in a way. We always tested our newbuildings in testing tanks and I supervised the test. Etc, etc.
I always use first principles to design ships and structures  and I have designed many.

You sound like a loser, micro.

And sub-topic was 'bow shocks' that someone just invented and not shock waves. A 'bow shock' lasts 10 minutes during re-entry and destroys anything trying to re-enter.

Only twerps think 'bow shocks' deflect friction heat, etc, etc.
You say I'm a loser because it deflects from you having address the fact that I said you won't or can't do your own analysis work; that you blindly believe others opinions.  As if everyone here can't see right through you.

If I wanted to prove something wasn't possible I'd do my own analysis and not rely on someone else's unverifiable crap.

Mike


Hm, as I said - http://heiwaco.com/cv.htm tells a little about me. Suggest you study it.

Do you really believe that a 'bow shock' that lasts 10-15 minutes at variable speeds in a variable density atmosphere can slow down anything and at the the same time protect a capsule landing on Earth.

Only twerps do!
There you go name calling to deflect from the real issue.  As an engineer I understand the physics behind why it works.  Anyone who why actually understands the dynamics involved knows it easily possible.  Those who don't understand don't believe it's true...simple as that.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: markjo on July 15, 2017, 08:55:25 AM
Hm, as I said - http://heiwaco.com/cv.htm tells a little about me. Suggest you study it.
Where does it say that you studied rocket science or aerospace technology?

Do you really believe that a 'bow shock' that lasts 10-15 minutes at variable speeds in a variable density atmosphere can slow down anything and at the the same time protect a capsule landing on Earth.
Can you show that it doesn't?  Do you have a supersonic wind tunnel handy?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 15, 2017, 10:31:13 AM

Hm, as I said - http://heiwaco.com/cv.htm tells a little about me. Suggest you study it.

Do you really believe that a 'bow shock' that lasts 10-15 minutes at variable speeds in a variable density atmosphere can slow down anything and at the the same time protect a capsule landing on Earth.

Only twerps do!
There you go name calling to deflect from the real issue.  As an engineer I understand the physics behind why it works.  Anyone who why actually understands the dynamics involved knows it easily possible.  Those who don't understand don't believe it's true...simple as that.

Mike

Well, if you believe in magic 'bow shocks' you are a twerp.

According Wikipedia "a bow shock, also called a detached shock or normal shock, is a curved, stationary shock wave that is found in a supersonic flow past a finite body. The name comes from the example of a bow wave that forms at the bow of a ship when it moves through the water."

Yes, I agree that the hull of a ship forms waves in the interface water/air, when the hull moves through the water, but no ship can move at supersonic speed anyway, as far as I know.

There is however no evidence that the 'bow shock' in supersonic flow removes heat from the body creating it. It is part of the NASA propaganda. But you, being an engineer, can maybe correct me?

Re moving seagoing ships we split the resistance in two parts - friction and wave/shape. The resistances are function of speed (and surface roughness, areas and many other things) and follow different scale laws.
By applying a force on a ship (e.g. by a propeller) you can overcome the resistances. Most of the force is used to push away the water from the ship creating waves. The friction becomes heat that warms up both ship and water. Water is a good medium to cool down things.

Air on the other hand is not such a good medium and that is why spacecrafts arriving at 11 000 m/s speed into the upper atmosphere simply heats up, starts to melt and burn, like a meteorite, and then is finally ripped apart by the brake force acting on it.

Only twerps believe otherwise!



Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 15, 2017, 10:32:47 AM
Hm, as I said - http://heiwaco.com/cv.htm tells a little about me. Suggest you study it.
Where does it say that you studied rocket science or aerospace technology?

Do you really believe that a 'bow shock' that lasts 10-15 minutes at variable speeds in a variable density atmosphere can slow down anything and at the the same time protect a capsule landing on Earth.
Can you show that it doesn't?  Do you have a supersonic wind tunnel handy?
Why do you always ask stupid, idiotic, off-topic questions?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 15, 2017, 10:51:35 AM
Well, if you believe in magic 'bow shocks' you are a twerp.

According Wikipedia "a bow shock, also called a detached shock or normal shock, is a curved, stationary shock wave that is found in a supersonic flow past a finite body. The name comes from the example of a bow wave that forms at the bow of a ship when it moves through the water."

Yes, I agree that the hull of a ship forms waves in the interface water/air, when the hull moves through the water, but no ship can move at supersonic speed anyway, as far as I know.

There is however no evidence that the 'bow shock' in supersonic flow removes heat from the body creating it. It is part of the NASA propaganda. But you, being an engineer, can maybe correct me?

Re moving seagoing ships we split the resistance in two parts - friction and wave/shape. The resistances are function of speed (and surface roughness, areas and many other things) and follow different scale laws.
By applying a force on a ship (e.g. by a propeller) you can overcome the resistances. Most of the force is used to push away the water from the ship creating waves. The friction becomes heat that warms up both ship and water. Water is a good medium to cool down things.

Air on the other hand is not such a good medium and that is why spacecrafts arriving at 11 000 m/s speed into the upper atmosphere simply heats up, starts to melt and burn, like a meteorite, and then is finally ripped apart by the brake force acting on it.

Only twerps believe otherwise!
There you go name calling again.  The resort of a small mind hoping to deflect away from the actual discussion.  Very poor attempt at a strawman.

You present a fact, infer its implications, make an assumption about it, and then present conjecture as fact.  Your conjecture does not rise to the level of fact nor is it proof of anything. 

If you don’t believe it’s possible to put a man on the moon and bring him home, it’s only because you don’t understand the dynamics.  The physics and engineering make perfect sense.  Apparently, the it is too tough for you to figure out on your own so you make the assumption it’s not possible.  All of MIT's classes are online for free.  You should actually take some of their dynamics classes instead of making shit up.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 15, 2017, 11:07:22 AM
Well, if you believe in magic 'bow shocks' you are a twerp.

According Wikipedia "a bow shock, also called a detached shock or normal shock, is a curved, stationary shock wave that is found in a supersonic flow past a finite body. The name comes from the example of a bow wave that forms at the bow of a ship when it moves through the water."

Yes, I agree that the hull of a ship forms waves in the interface water/air, when the hull moves through the water, but no ship can move at supersonic speed anyway, as far as I know.

There is however no evidence that the 'bow shock' in supersonic flow removes heat from the body creating it. It is part of the NASA propaganda. But you, being an engineer, can maybe correct me?

Re moving seagoing ships we split the resistance in two parts - friction and wave/shape. The resistances are function of speed (and surface roughness, areas and many other things) and follow different scale laws.
By applying a force on a ship (e.g. by a propeller) you can overcome the resistances. Most of the force is used to push away the water from the ship creating waves. The friction becomes heat that warms up both ship and water. Water is a good medium to cool down things.

Air on the other hand is not such a good medium and that is why spacecrafts arriving at 11 000 m/s speed into the upper atmosphere simply heats up, starts to melt and burn, like a meteorite, and then is finally ripped apart by the brake force acting on it.

Only twerps believe otherwise!
There you go name calling again.  The resort of a small mind hoping to deflect away from the actual discussion.  Very poor attempt at a strawman.

You present a fact, infer its implications, make an assumption about it, and then present conjecture as fact.  Your conjecture does not rise to the level of fact nor is it proof of anything. 

If you don’t believe it’s possible to put a man on the moon and bring him home, it’s only because you don’t understand the dynamics.  The physics and engineering make perfect sense.  Apparently, the it is too tough for you to figure out on your own so you make the assumption it’s not possible.  All of MIT's classes are online for free.  You should actually take some of their dynamics classes instead of making shit up.

Mike

The reason I do not believe in humans on the Moon is that you cannot calculate the fuel required to go there and back. I describe at my web site. Then there are the problems with the trajectory and stopping and landing not forgetting the sanitary facilities.

And there is nothing of interest on the Moon. It a a dead place.

Of course I understand why there are people believing in humans on the Moon. The reason is that they are twerps.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 15, 2017, 11:27:44 AM
Well, if you believe in magic 'bow shocks' you are a twerp.

According Wikipedia "a bow shock, also called a detached shock or normal shock, is a curved, stationary shock wave that is found in a supersonic flow past a finite body. The name comes from the example of a bow wave that forms at the bow of a ship when it moves through the water."

Yes, I agree that the hull of a ship forms waves in the interface water/air, when the hull moves through the water, but no ship can move at supersonic speed anyway, as far as I know.

There is however no evidence that the 'bow shock' in supersonic flow removes heat from the body creating it. It is part of the NASA propaganda. But you, being an engineer, can maybe correct me?

Re moving seagoing ships we split the resistance in two parts - friction and wave/shape. The resistances are function of speed (and surface roughness, areas and many other things) and follow different scale laws.
By applying a force on a ship (e.g. by a propeller) you can overcome the resistances. Most of the force is used to push away the water from the ship creating waves. The friction becomes heat that warms up both ship and water. Water is a good medium to cool down things.

Air on the other hand is not such a good medium and that is why spacecrafts arriving at 11 000 m/s speed into the upper atmosphere simply heats up, starts to melt and burn, like a meteorite, and then is finally ripped apart by the brake force acting on it.

Only twerps believe otherwise!
There you go name calling again.  The resort of a small mind hoping to deflect away from the actual discussion.  Very poor attempt at a strawman.

You present a fact, infer its implications, make an assumption about it, and then present conjecture as fact.  Your conjecture does not rise to the level of fact nor is it proof of anything. 

If you don’t believe it’s possible to put a man on the moon and bring him home, it’s only because you don’t understand the dynamics.  The physics and engineering make perfect sense.  Apparently, the it is too tough for you to figure out on your own so you make the assumption it’s not possible.  All of MIT's classes are online for free.  You should actually take some of their dynamics classes instead of making shit up.

Mike

The reason I do not believe in humans on the Moon is that you cannot calculate the fuel required to go there and back. I describe at my web site. Then there are the problems with the trajectory and stopping and landing not forgetting the sanitary facilities.

And there is nothing of interest on the Moon. It a a dead place.

Of course I understand why there are people believing in humans on the Moon. The reason is that they are twerps.
Keep on name calling.  It just shows how desperate you are.

You "calculations" are rudimentary at best and show an incomplete understanding of the dynamics involved. 

BTW, nobody is going to provide to you two dozen pages of calculations and diagrams just to how you how wrong you are.  Do your own work/study instead of just regurgitating an equation from wikipedia.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 15, 2017, 11:30:31 AM
Well, if you believe in magic 'bow shocks' you are a twerp.

According Wikipedia "a bow shock, also called a detached shock or normal shock, is a curved, stationary shock wave that is found in a supersonic flow past a finite body. The name comes from the example of a bow wave that forms at the bow of a ship when it moves through the water."

Yes, I agree that the hull of a ship forms waves in the interface water/air, when the hull moves through the water, but no ship can move at supersonic speed anyway, as far as I know.

There is however no evidence that the 'bow shock' in supersonic flow removes heat from the body creating it. It is part of the NASA propaganda. But you, being an engineer, can maybe correct me?

Re moving seagoing ships we split the resistance in two parts - friction and wave/shape. The resistances are function of speed (and surface roughness, areas and many other things) and follow different scale laws.
By applying a force on a ship (e.g. by a propeller) you can overcome the resistances. Most of the force is used to push away the water from the ship creating waves. The friction becomes heat that warms up both ship and water. Water is a good medium to cool down things.

Air on the other hand is not such a good medium and that is why spacecrafts arriving at 11 000 m/s speed into the upper atmosphere simply heats up, starts to melt and burn, like a meteorite, and then is finally ripped apart by the brake force acting on it.

Only twerps believe otherwise!
There you go name calling again.  The resort of a small mind hoping to deflect away from the actual discussion.  Very poor attempt at a strawman.

You present a fact, infer its implications, make an assumption about it, and then present conjecture as fact.  Your conjecture does not rise to the level of fact nor is it proof of anything. 

If you don’t believe it’s possible to put a man on the moon and bring him home, it’s only because you don’t understand the dynamics.  The physics and engineering make perfect sense.  Apparently, the it is too tough for you to figure out on your own so you make the assumption it’s not possible.  All of MIT's classes are online for free.  You should actually take some of their dynamics classes instead of making shit up.

Mike

The reason I do not believe in humans on the Moon is that you cannot calculate the fuel required to go there and back. I describe at my web site. Then there are the problems with the trajectory and stopping and landing not forgetting the sanitary facilities.

And there is nothing of interest on the Moon. It a a dead place.

Of course I understand why there are people believing in humans on the Moon. The reason is that they are twerps.
Keep on name calling.  It just shows how desperate you are.

You "calculations" are rudimentary at best and show an incomplete understanding of the dynamics involved. 

BTW, nobody is going to provide to you two dozen pages of calculations and diagrams just to how you how wrong you are.  Do your own work/study instead of just regurgitating an equation from wikipedia.

Mike

Hm, I am not wrong! People saying they can calculate the fuel required for a manned trip to the Moon and back simply are twerps. There is no doubt about it.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 15, 2017, 11:38:52 AM
Well, if you believe in magic 'bow shocks' you are a twerp.

According Wikipedia "a bow shock, also called a detached shock or normal shock, is a curved, stationary shock wave that is found in a supersonic flow past a finite body. The name comes from the example of a bow wave that forms at the bow of a ship when it moves through the water."

Yes, I agree that the hull of a ship forms waves in the interface water/air, when the hull moves through the water, but no ship can move at supersonic speed anyway, as far as I know.

There is however no evidence that the 'bow shock' in supersonic flow removes heat from the body creating it. It is part of the NASA propaganda. But you, being an engineer, can maybe correct me?

Re moving seagoing ships we split the resistance in two parts - friction and wave/shape. The resistances are function of speed (and surface roughness, areas and many other things) and follow different scale laws.
By applying a force on a ship (e.g. by a propeller) you can overcome the resistances. Most of the force is used to push away the water from the ship creating waves. The friction becomes heat that warms up both ship and water. Water is a good medium to cool down things.

Air on the other hand is not such a good medium and that is why spacecrafts arriving at 11 000 m/s speed into the upper atmosphere simply heats up, starts to melt and burn, like a meteorite, and then is finally ripped apart by the brake force acting on it.

Only twerps believe otherwise!
There you go name calling again.  The resort of a small mind hoping to deflect away from the actual discussion.  Very poor attempt at a strawman.

You present a fact, infer its implications, make an assumption about it, and then present conjecture as fact.  Your conjecture does not rise to the level of fact nor is it proof of anything. 

If you don’t believe it’s possible to put a man on the moon and bring him home, it’s only because you don’t understand the dynamics.  The physics and engineering make perfect sense.  Apparently, the it is too tough for you to figure out on your own so you make the assumption it’s not possible.  All of MIT's classes are online for free.  You should actually take some of their dynamics classes instead of making shit up.

Mike

The reason I do not believe in humans on the Moon is that you cannot calculate the fuel required to go there and back. I describe at my web site. Then there are the problems with the trajectory and stopping and landing not forgetting the sanitary facilities.

And there is nothing of interest on the Moon. It a a dead place.

Of course I understand why there are people believing in humans on the Moon. The reason is that they are twerps.
Keep on name calling.  It just shows how desperate you are.

You "calculations" are rudimentary at best and show an incomplete understanding of the dynamics involved. 

BTW, nobody is going to provide to you two dozen pages of calculations and diagrams just to how you how wrong you are.  Do your own work/study instead of just regurgitating an equation from wikipedia.

Mike

Hm, I am not wrong! People saying they can calculate the fuel required for a manned trip to the Moon and back simply are twerps. There is no doubt about it.
Of course you say that.  Because, you have no idea what you are talking about.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on July 15, 2017, 12:09:47 PM
Let's simplify this:

It is very apparent that man never went to the moon and the way we can know this is by realizing one simple fact:

Anyone who does believe we went to the moon is a twerp twirp!

Case closed!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Bullwinkle on July 15, 2017, 12:37:51 PM
and the brow would fall off
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 15, 2017, 12:40:23 PM
...and we all have cognitive dissonance.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 15, 2017, 02:08:59 PM
...and we all have cognitive dissonance.

Hm, question remains how much fuel you need to go to the Moon ... and back ... and how to land! Any proposals?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: markjo on July 15, 2017, 02:09:52 PM
Hm, as I said - http://heiwaco.com/cv.htm tells a little about me. Suggest you study it.
Where does it say that you studied rocket science or aerospace technology?

Do you really believe that a 'bow shock' that lasts 10-15 minutes at variable speeds in a variable density atmosphere can slow down anything and at the the same time protect a capsule landing on Earth.
Can you show that it doesn't?  Do you have a supersonic wind tunnel handy?
Why do you always ask stupid, idiotic, off-topic questions?
How is asking you about your relevant credentials idiotic or off topic?

How would you suggest studying bow shock waves if not in a supersonic wind tunnel?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: markjo on July 15, 2017, 02:11:16 PM
...and we all have cognitive dissonance.

Hm, question remains how much fuel you need to go to the Moon ... and back ... and how to land! Any proposals?
You seem confused.  This thread is not about your challenges.  It's about your lack of understanding of various subjects where you claim some sort of expertise.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 15, 2017, 02:21:06 PM
...and we all have cognitive dissonance.

Hm, question remains how much fuel you need to go to the Moon ... and back ... and how to land! Any proposals?
If you had a clue you'd be able to figure it out for yourself.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 15, 2017, 02:21:49 PM
Hm, as I said - http://heiwaco.com/cv.htm tells a little about me. Suggest you study it.
Where does it say that you studied rocket science or aerospace technology?

Do you really believe that a 'bow shock' that lasts 10-15 minutes at variable speeds in a variable density atmosphere can slow down anything and at the the same time protect a capsule landing on Earth.
Can you show that it doesn't?  Do you have a supersonic wind tunnel handy?
Why do you always ask stupid, idiotic, off-topic questions?
How is asking you about your relevant credentials idiotic or off topic?

How would you suggest studying bow shock waves if not in a supersonic wind tunnel?
Hm, question remains how much fuel you need to go to the Moon ... and back ... and how to land! Any proposals?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 15, 2017, 02:22:26 PM
...and we all have cognitive dissonance.

Hm, question remains how much fuel you need to go to the Moon ... and back ... and how to land! Any proposals?
You seem confused.  This thread is not about your challenges.  It's about your lack of understanding of various subjects where you claim some sort of expertise.
Hm, question remains how much fuel you need to go to the Moon ... and back ... and how to land! Any proposals?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 15, 2017, 02:23:27 PM
...and we all have cognitive dissonance.

Hm, question remains how much fuel you need to go to the Moon ... and back ... and how to land! Any proposals?
If you had a clue you'd be able to figure it out for yourself.
Hm, question remains how much fuel you need to go to the Moon ... and back ... and how to land! Any proposals? Please, do not ask me again to do it.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 15, 2017, 02:30:54 PM
...and we all have cognitive dissonance.

Hm, question remains how much fuel you need to go to the Moon ... and back ... and how to land! Any proposals?
If you had a clue you'd be able to figure it out for yourself.
Hm, question remains how much fuel you need to go to the Moon ... and back ... and how to land! Any proposals? Please, do not ask me again to do it.
Learn how to do it yourself.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: markjo on July 15, 2017, 02:33:30 PM
...and we all have cognitive dissonance.

Hm, question remains how much fuel you need to go to the Moon ... and back ... and how to land! Any proposals?
You seem confused.  This thread is not about your challenges.  It's about your lack of understanding of various subjects where you claim some sort of expertise.
Hm, question remains how much fuel you need to go to the Moon ... and back ... and how to land! Any proposals?
Yes, get a few billion dollars and hire a bunch of aerospace contractors build you a rocket like the Apollo/Saturn V.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Bullwinkle on July 15, 2017, 02:34:58 PM
Learn how to do it yourself.


He's an 'engineer'.  You know the 'engineer' credo, right?


NOTHING IS POSSIBLE !!!!!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 15, 2017, 02:36:50 PM
Learn how to do it yourself.


He's an 'engineer'.  You know the 'engineer' credo, right?


NOTHING IS POSSIBLE !!!!!
I'm an engineer and that is not our credo...it may be his credo but it certainly not that of engineers.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Bullwinkle on July 15, 2017, 02:42:07 PM
 ;)
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 15, 2017, 02:49:08 PM
...and we all have cognitive dissonance.

Hm, question remains how much fuel you need to go to the Moon ... and back ... and how to land! Any proposals?
If you had a clue you'd be able to figure it out for yourself.
Hm, question remains how much fuel you need to go to the Moon ... and back ... and how to land! Any proposals? Please, do not ask me again to do it.
Learn how to do it yourself.
Hm, question remains how much fuel you need to go to the Moon ... and back ... and how to land! Any proposals? Please, do not ask me again to do it. I do not know. That's the Challenge.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 15, 2017, 02:51:42 PM
...and we all have cognitive dissonance.

Hm, question remains how much fuel you need to go to the Moon ... and back ... and how to land! Any proposals?
If you had a clue you'd be able to figure it out for yourself.
Hm, question remains how much fuel you need to go to the Moon ... and back ... and how to land! Any proposals? Please, do not ask me again to do it.
Learn how to do it yourself.
Hm, question remains how much fuel you need to go to the Moon ... and back ... and how to land! Any proposals? Please, do not ask me again to do it. I do not know. That's the Challenge.
Interesting.  You admit you don't know but yet you say your calculation on your website proves it.  So which is it? 
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 15, 2017, 02:54:35 PM
...and we all have cognitive dissonance.

Hm, question remains how much fuel you need to go to the Moon ... and back ... and how to land! Any proposals?
If you had a clue you'd be able to figure it out for yourself.
Hm, question remains how much fuel you need to go to the Moon ... and back ... and how to land! Any proposals? Please, do not ask me again to do it.
Learn how to do it yourself.
Hm, question remains how much fuel you need to go to the Moon ... and back ... and how to land! Any proposals? Please, do not ask me again to do it. I do not know. That's the Challenge.
Interesting.  You admit you don't know but yet you say your calculation on your website proves it.  So which is it?
Just study my web site. All info is there.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 15, 2017, 03:02:59 PM
...and we all have cognitive dissonance.

Hm, question remains how much fuel you need to go to the Moon ... and back ... and how to land! Any proposals?
If you had a clue you'd be able to figure it out for yourself.
Hm, question remains how much fuel you need to go to the Moon ... and back ... and how to land! Any proposals? Please, do not ask me again to do it.
Learn how to do it yourself.
Hm, question remains how much fuel you need to go to the Moon ... and back ... and how to land! Any proposals? Please, do not ask me again to do it. I do not know. That's the Challenge.
Interesting.  You admit you don't know but yet you say your calculation on your website proves it.  So which is it?
Just study my web site. All info is there.
You said "Please, do not ask me again to do it. I do not know. That's the Challenge."  So, are you implying that your website explains that you don't know?  ???
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: frenat on July 15, 2017, 08:40:34 PM

Hm, as I said - http://heiwaco.com/cv.htm tells a little about me. Suggest you study it.

Do you really believe that a 'bow shock' that lasts 10-15 minutes at variable speeds in a variable density atmosphere can slow down anything and at the the same time protect a capsule landing on Earth.

Only twerps do!
There you go name calling to deflect from the real issue.  As an engineer I understand the physics behind why it works.  Anyone who why actually understands the dynamics involved knows it easily possible.  Those who don't understand don't believe it's true...simple as that.

Mike

Well, if you believe in magic 'bow shocks' you are a twerp.

According Wikipedia "a bow shock, also called a detached shock or normal shock, is a curved, stationary shock wave that is found in a supersonic flow past a finite body. The name comes from the example of a bow wave that forms at the bow of a ship when it moves through the water."

Yes, I agree that the hull of a ship forms waves in the interface water/air, when the hull moves through the water, but no ship can move at supersonic speed anyway, as far as I know.

There is however no evidence that the 'bow shock' in supersonic flow removes heat from the body creating it. It is part of the NASA propaganda. But you, being an engineer, can maybe correct me?

Re moving seagoing ships we split the resistance in two parts - friction and wave/shape. The resistances are function of speed (and surface roughness, areas and many other things) and follow different scale laws.
By applying a force on a ship (e.g. by a propeller) you can overcome the resistances. Most of the force is used to push away the water from the ship creating waves. The friction becomes heat that warms up both ship and water. Water is a good medium to cool down things.

Air on the other hand is not such a good medium and that is why spacecrafts arriving at 11 000 m/s speed into the upper atmosphere simply heats up, starts to melt and burn, like a meteorite, and then is finally ripped apart by the brake force acting on it.

Only twerps believe otherwise!
Translation from Heiwa nonsense-speak: I don't understand this subject so I'll deflect again and call names and hope nobody notices.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Kami on July 15, 2017, 10:22:58 PM
At least heiwa appartently admitted that bow shocks are real and work the way they are supposed to.

A (simplified) calculation for the delta-v and the dynamics of a moon interception orbit are at the beginning of the tread. Do you have any questions about those?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 15, 2017, 11:25:02 PM
At least heiwa appartently admitted that bow shocks are real and work the way they are supposed to.

A (simplified) calculation for the delta-v and the dynamics of a moon interception orbit are at the beginning of the tread. Do you have any questions about those?

Yes, I agree that seagoing ships produce waves. But no, I do not agree that bow shocks are created by spacecrafts at high speeds returning from space into the atmosphere, diverting the heat from the spacecraft, so that it doesn't melt, etc, etc, i.e. the famous re-entry!

Re your post #1 the delta-v formula is only applicable to a spacecraft not subject to external gravity forces from Earth, Moon and Sun, etc, etc. The delta-v formula only tells you the change in velocity of a spacecraft in one direction, when it ejects rocket fuel gases at high speed/temperature in the opposite direction. You have thus misunderstood that formula. You must use other means to establish the forces and fuel consumptions to get out of LEO and into LMO.

Re the trajectory between LEO and LMO in space, i.e. the time between applying a rocket force to get out of LEO and the time to apply another rocket force to get into LMO, it takes place at variable speeds and directions due to influence of external gravity forces, so it cannot be established. You have thus misunderstood the basics of 3D space navigation close to high mass/density bodies.

My Challenge is only about space craft fuel consumptions. In order to win it you must establish the forces to get out of LEO and into LMO, where and in what direction and how long time they are applied, what type of of rocket engine that produces the force, and so on.

Actually, it is an impossible task, but any NASA/ESA/SpaceX expert will say it is possible. If I ask them to show one example, they get very upset. They are living jokes.

Re the modified title of this thread it is correct that I am concerned about the sanitary installations on seagoing vessels since many years. Our passengers and crew demand a certain standard of cleanliness. Suggest you change the title.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Kami on July 16, 2017, 03:34:13 AM
At least heiwa appartently admitted that bow shocks are real and work the way they are supposed to.

A (simplified) calculation for the delta-v and the dynamics of a moon interception orbit are at the beginning of the tread. Do you have any questions about those?

Yes, I agree that seagoing ships produce waves. But no, I do not agree that bow shocks are created by spacecrafts at high speeds returning from space into the atmosphere, diverting the heat from the spacecraft, so that it doesn't melt, etc, etc, i.e. the famous re-entry!


I am no expert in aerodynamics, but I know that bow shocks play an important role in heating interstellar gases.
Example:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/52706main_hstorion_lg.jpg/220px-52706main_hstorion_lg.jpg)

As there the same principle applies, I find it reasonable that they also dissipate heat of reentering vehicles.

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Re your post #1 the delta-v formula is only applicable to a spacecraft not subject to external gravity forces from Earth, Moon and Sun, etc, etc. The delta-v formula only tells you the change in velocity of a spacecraft in one direction, when it ejects rocket fuel gases at high speed/temperature in the opposite direction. You have thus misunderstood that formula. You must use other means to establish the forces and fuel consumptions to get out of LEO and into LMO.

Re the trajectory between LEO and LMO in space, i.e. the time between applying a rocket force to get out of LEO and the time to apply another rocket force to get into LMO, it takes place at variable speeds and directions due to influence of external gravity forces, so it cannot be established. You have thus misunderstood the basics of 3D space navigation close to high mass/density bodies.

I have not misunderstood the formulae, I have used simplifications. Otherwise, an analyical treatment of this problem is impossible. I could write a simulator that treats this problem numerically, would that convince you?
As I said, I do not know much about aerodynamics, but everything from LEO on I could simulate.

However, this would take me probably a whole day of work and I have some more important stuff to do at the moment. There are great N-body simulators out there which you could use, though. All forces are calculated and accounted for, you would just have to try out how fast you would have to go (this would be more like a trial-and-error way, but it should also work).

If you are an engineer you probably also know how to simulate simple events. Orbital mechanics is one of the simplest things to simulate, as you have to include only one single force - gravity. Everything else is neglible.

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My Challenge is only about space craft fuel consumptions. In order to win it you must establish the forces to get out of LEO and into LMO, where and in what direction and how long time they are applied, what type of of rocket engine that produces the force, and so on.
As I already stated several times, I do not care about your challenge. Noone does.
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Actually, it is an impossible task, but any NASA/ESA/SpaceX expert will say it is possible. If I ask them to show one example, they get very upset. They are living jokes.
Can you prove that? Do you have some email conversation with experts where they got upset? Else please stop making baseless claims.

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Re the modified title of this thread it is correct that I am concerned about the sanitary installations on seagoing vessels since many years. Our passengers and crew demand a certain standard of cleanliness. Suggest you change the title.
To what exactly should I change it?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 16, 2017, 04:35:42 AM

I am no expert in aerodynamics, but I know that bow shocks play an important role in heating interstellar gases.
Example:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/52706main_hstorion_lg.jpg/220px-52706main_hstorion_lg.jpg)

As there the same principle applies, I find it reasonable that they also dissipate heat of reentering vehicles.

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I do not follow. Can you explain better, please!

How do you know that bow shocks play an important role in heating interstellar gases.

Where do the bow shocks come from?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 16, 2017, 05:18:01 AM
At least heiwa appartently admitted that bow shocks are real and work the way they are supposed to.

A (simplified) calculation for the delta-v and the dynamics of a moon interception orbit are at the beginning of the tread. Do you have any questions about those?

Yes, I agree that seagoing ships produce waves. But no, I do not agree that bow shocks are created by spacecrafts at high speeds returning from space into the atmosphere, diverting the heat from the spacecraft, so that it doesn't melt, etc, etc, i.e. the famous re-entry!

Re your post #1 the delta-v formula is only applicable to a spacecraft not subject to external gravity forces from Earth, Moon and Sun, etc, etc. The delta-v formula only tells you the change in velocity of a spacecraft in one direction, when it ejects rocket fuel gases at high speed/temperature in the opposite direction. You have thus misunderstood that formula. You must use other means to establish the forces and fuel consumptions to get out of LEO and into LMO.

Re the trajectory between LEO and LMO in space, i.e. the time between applying a rocket force to get out of LEO and the time to apply another rocket force to get into LMO, it takes place at variable speeds and directions due to influence of external gravity forces, so it cannot be established. You have thus misunderstood the basics of 3D space navigation close to high mass/density bodies.

My Challenge is only about space craft fuel consumptions. In order to win it you must establish the forces to get out of LEO and into LMO, where and in what direction and how long time they are applied, what type of of rocket engine that produces the force, and so on.

Actually, it is an impossible task, but any NASA/ESA/SpaceX expert will say it is possible. If I ask them to show one example, they get very upset. They are living jokes.

Re the modified title of this thread it is correct that I am concerned about the sanitary installations on seagoing vessels since many years. Our passengers and crew demand a certain standard of cleanliness. Suggest you change the title.
Please tell me you understand the concept of fluid dynamics.  You supposedly have a Masters in Marine Engineering.  That had to include some basic fluid dynamics, right?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: frenat on July 16, 2017, 07:03:09 AM
Actually, it is an impossible task, but any NASA/ESA/SpaceX expert will say it is possible. If I ask them to show one example, they get very upset. They are living jokes.

Nobody believes you've asked them anything.  The attempted name dropping just makes you look pathetic.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: markjo on July 16, 2017, 08:17:37 AM
Please tell me you understand the concept of fluid dynamics.  You supposedly have a Masters in Marine Engineering.  That had to include some basic fluid dynamics, right?
He probably does understand fluid dynamics for incompressible fluids like water, but forgot that the dynamics of compressible fluids, like air, can be quite different.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 16, 2017, 08:18:28 AM
At least heiwa appartently admitted that bow shocks are real and work the way they are supposed to.

A (simplified) calculation for the delta-v and the dynamics of a moon interception orbit are at the beginning of the tread. Do you have any questions about those?

Yes, I agree that seagoing ships produce waves. But no, I do not agree that bow shocks are created by spacecrafts at high speeds returning from space into the atmosphere, diverting the heat from the spacecraft, so that it doesn't melt, etc, etc, i.e. the famous re-entry!

Re your post #1 the delta-v formula is only applicable to a spacecraft not subject to external gravity forces from Earth, Moon and Sun, etc, etc. The delta-v formula only tells you the change in velocity of a spacecraft in one direction, when it ejects rocket fuel gases at high speed/temperature in the opposite direction. You have thus misunderstood that formula. You must use other means to establish the forces and fuel consumptions to get out of LEO and into LMO.

Re the trajectory between LEO and LMO in space, i.e. the time between applying a rocket force to get out of LEO and the time to apply another rocket force to get into LMO, it takes place at variable speeds and directions due to influence of external gravity forces, so it cannot be established. You have thus misunderstood the basics of 3D space navigation close to high mass/density bodies.

My Challenge is only about space craft fuel consumptions. In order to win it you must establish the forces to get out of LEO and into LMO, where and in what direction and how long time they are applied, what type of of rocket engine that produces the force, and so on.

Actually, it is an impossible task, but any NASA/ESA/SpaceX expert will say it is possible. If I ask them to show one example, they get very upset. They are living jokes.

Re the modified title of this thread it is correct that I am concerned about the sanitary installations on seagoing vessels since many years. Our passengers and crew demand a certain standard of cleanliness. Suggest you change the title.
Please tell me you understand the concept of fluid dynamics.  You supposedly have a Masters in Marine Engineering.  That had to include some basic fluid dynamics, right?

Yes - ship hydrodynamics is very complex and the flow around a ship hull is not easy to understand, e.g. the turbulence at the stern, where the propellers and rudders are fitted. I studied it for many years. Why do you ask?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 16, 2017, 08:32:35 AM
At least heiwa appartently admitted that bow shocks are real and work the way they are supposed to.

A (simplified) calculation for the delta-v and the dynamics of a moon interception orbit are at the beginning of the tread. Do you have any questions about those?

Yes, I agree that seagoing ships produce waves. But no, I do not agree that bow shocks are created by spacecrafts at high speeds returning from space into the atmosphere, diverting the heat from the spacecraft, so that it doesn't melt, etc, etc, i.e. the famous re-entry!

Re your post #1 the delta-v formula is only applicable to a spacecraft not subject to external gravity forces from Earth, Moon and Sun, etc, etc. The delta-v formula only tells you the change in velocity of a spacecraft in one direction, when it ejects rocket fuel gases at high speed/temperature in the opposite direction. You have thus misunderstood that formula. You must use other means to establish the forces and fuel consumptions to get out of LEO and into LMO.

Re the trajectory between LEO and LMO in space, i.e. the time between applying a rocket force to get out of LEO and the time to apply another rocket force to get into LMO, it takes place at variable speeds and directions due to influence of external gravity forces, so it cannot be established. You have thus misunderstood the basics of 3D space navigation close to high mass/density bodies.

My Challenge is only about space craft fuel consumptions. In order to win it you must establish the forces to get out of LEO and into LMO, where and in what direction and how long time they are applied, what type of of rocket engine that produces the force, and so on.

Actually, it is an impossible task, but any NASA/ESA/SpaceX expert will say it is possible. If I ask them to show one example, they get very upset. They are living jokes.

Re the modified title of this thread it is correct that I am concerned about the sanitary installations on seagoing vessels since many years. Our passengers and crew demand a certain standard of cleanliness. Suggest you change the title.
Please tell me you understand the concept of fluid dynamics.  You supposedly have a Masters in Marine Engineering.  That had to include some basic fluid dynamics, right?

Yes - ship hydrodynamics is very complex and the flow around a ship hull is not easy to understand, e.g. the turbulence at the stern, where the propellers and rudders are fitted. I studied it for many years. Why do you ask?
Really?  The calculations for the shock wave, the slowing of a capsule, and s-turns that slow the shuttle are fluid dynamics.  Since you're an "expert" in the fluid dynamics of a vessel on the sea you should be able to calculate the force of a reentry shock wave spread over heat shield of the capsule. 

That's why I ask...but, apparently you didn't make the connection.  I'm beginning to wonder if you actually are an engineer.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: markjo on July 16, 2017, 08:33:43 AM
Yes - ship hydrodynamics is very complex and the flow around a ship hull is not easy to understand, e.g. the turbulence at the stern, where the propellers and rudders are fitted. I studied it for many years. Why do you ask?
I'm just wondering what do ship hydrodynamics have to to with spacecraft aerodynamics?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 16, 2017, 08:39:32 AM
Actually, it is an impossible task, but any NASA/ESA/SpaceX expert will say it is possible. If I ask them to show one example, they get very upset. They are living jokes.

Nobody believes you've asked them anything.  The attempted name dropping just makes you look pathetic.
No, you really have to study my web page http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm#OR where I examine the NASA OSIRISREx hoax.

Scroll down a little and read:

"I have asked Ms Nancy N. Jones and Mr. Erin Morton to confirm the DSM-1 original speed, final speed and speed change, fuel used, what direction it was applied, etc, to be reported here. By 5 May 2017 there was no answer. Anyway, with only 875.5 kg fuel left aboard total Delta-v available is 1 620 m/s or less. Between Jan. 16 and Mar.  6 the speed relative to Sun has been reduced by ~5 000 m/s but don't ask me why! On the other hand the speed away from the Sun is April 2017 >6 000 m/s!
I will ask them later to explain the details of the Gravity Assisted Kick and change of inclination in September 2017 and how to arrive at little Bennu November 2018 in its intrinsically dynamically unstable orbit. So far they do not provide any information."


Why don't you believe me when I publish my attempts to contact NASA on my website?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 16, 2017, 08:42:58 AM
Yes - ship hydrodynamics is very complex and the flow around a ship hull is not easy to understand, e.g. the turbulence at the stern, where the propellers and rudders are fitted. I studied it for many years. Why do you ask?
I'm just wondering what do ship hydrodynamics have to to with spacecraft aerodynamics?
Gases and liquids are both fluids.  The study of how an object flows through that fluid it is fluid dynamics.  The equations that govern the stagnation point of a ships hull and the flow past that point along the hull are the same equations use to describe the stagnation point (center of the heat shield) and flow past a supersonic object through the air. 

The differentials may have different forms but both have exact solutions.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: frenat on July 16, 2017, 08:44:34 AM
Actually, it is an impossible task, but any NASA/ESA/SpaceX expert will say it is possible. If I ask them to show one example, they get very upset. They are living jokes.

Nobody believes you've asked them anything.  The attempted name dropping just makes you look pathetic.
No, you really have to study my web page http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm#OR where I examine the NASA OSIRISREx hoax.

Scroll down a little and read:

"I have asked Ms Nancy N. Jones and Mr. Erin Morton to confirm the DSM-1 original speed, final speed and speed change, fuel used, what direction it was applied, etc, to be reported here. By 5 May 2017 there was no answer. Anyway, with only 875.5 kg fuel left aboard total Delta-v available is 1 620 m/s or less. Between Jan. 16 and Mar.  6 the speed relative to Sun has been reduced by ~5 000 m/s but don't ask me why! On the other hand the speed away from the Sun is April 2017 >6 000 m/s!
I will ask them later to explain the details of the Gravity Assisted Kick and change of inclination in September 2017 and how to arrive at little Bennu November 2018 in its intrinsically dynamically unstable orbit. So far they do not provide any information."


Why don't you believe me when I publish my attempts to contact NASA on my website?
NOBODY believes you because you are a proven liar.  One just has to look at this thread and others to find the MULTIPLE times you've lied.  and you offer no evidence.  A claim that you've asked is not evidence of anything.  And you previously made the claim "If I ask them to show one example, they get very upset." but now say they do not provide any information.  You can't even keep your lies straight.  You are a joke.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 16, 2017, 09:07:39 AM
At least heiwa appartently admitted that bow shocks are real and work the way they are supposed to.

A (simplified) calculation for the delta-v and the dynamics of a moon interception orbit are at the beginning of the tread. Do you have any questions about those?

Yes, I agree that seagoing ships produce waves. But no, I do not agree that bow shocks are created by spacecrafts at high speeds returning from space into the atmosphere, diverting the heat from the spacecraft, so that it doesn't melt, etc, etc, i.e. the famous re-entry!

Re your post #1 the delta-v formula is only applicable to a spacecraft not subject to external gravity forces from Earth, Moon and Sun, etc, etc. The delta-v formula only tells you the change in velocity of a spacecraft in one direction, when it ejects rocket fuel gases at high speed/temperature in the opposite direction. You have thus misunderstood that formula. You must use other means to establish the forces and fuel consumptions to get out of LEO and into LMO.

Re the trajectory between LEO and LMO in space, i.e. the time between applying a rocket force to get out of LEO and the time to apply another rocket force to get into LMO, it takes place at variable speeds and directions due to influence of external gravity forces, so it cannot be established. You have thus misunderstood the basics of 3D space navigation close to high mass/density bodies.

My Challenge is only about space craft fuel consumptions. In order to win it you must establish the forces to get out of LEO and into LMO, where and in what direction and how long time they are applied, what type of of rocket engine that produces the force, and so on.

Actually, it is an impossible task, but any NASA/ESA/SpaceX expert will say it is possible. If I ask them to show one example, they get very upset. They are living jokes.

Re the modified title of this thread it is correct that I am concerned about the sanitary installations on seagoing vessels since many years. Our passengers and crew demand a certain standard of cleanliness. Suggest you change the title.
Please tell me you understand the concept of fluid dynamics.  You supposedly have a Masters in Marine Engineering.  That had to include some basic fluid dynamics, right?

Yes - ship hydrodynamics is very complex and the flow around a ship hull is not easy to understand, e.g. the turbulence at the stern, where the propellers and rudders are fitted. I studied it for many years. Why do you ask?
Really?  The calculations for the shock wave, the slowing of a capsule, and s-turns that slow the shuttle are fluid dynamics.  Since you're an "expert" in the fluid dynamics of a vessel on the sea you should be able to calculate the force of a reentry shock wave spread over heat shield of the capsule. 

That's why I ask...but, apparently you didn't make the connection.  I'm beginning to wonder if you actually are an engineer.

Mike

I explain at my web site why you cannot predict the brake force applied on a spacecraft during re-entry. Study it.

Anyway the re-entry friction brake force heats up the spacecraft so it melts, catches fire and is destroyed. So all NASA staff must fake it. I really feel sorry for them. Faking space travel since 1969!

Did you study my latests attempts to contact NASA - http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm#OR ?

I really look forward to Sept. 22 when OSIRIS-REx approaches Earth from behind (!) at high speed and be kicked into a new orbit, so that OSIRIS-REx encounters asteroid Bennu Nov. 2018 after a 362° turn around the Sun.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 16, 2017, 09:11:48 AM
Please tell me you understand the concept of fluid dynamics.  You supposedly have a Masters in Marine Engineering.  That had to include some basic fluid dynamics, right?

Yes - ship hydrodynamics is very complex and the flow around a ship hull is not easy to understand, e.g. the turbulence at the stern, where the propellers and rudders are fitted. I studied it for many years. Why do you ask?
Really?  The calculations for the shock wave, the slowing of a capsule, and s-turns that slow the shuttle are fluid dynamics.  Since you're an "expert" in the fluid dynamics of a vessel on the sea you should be able to calculate the force of a reentry shock wave spread over heat shield of the capsule. 

That's why I ask...but, apparently you didn't make the connection.  I'm beginning to wonder if you actually are an engineer.

Mike

I explain at my web site why you cannot predict the brake force applied on a spacecraft during re-entry. Study it.
<snip>
Yes, actually you can predict the brake force.  If you really knew fluid mechanics you could easily reproduce the equations.

Your website states that an capsule would spin out of control upon reentry.  How do you know that?  What was your calculated pitching moment?  It's not on the website.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 16, 2017, 10:25:17 AM
Please tell me you understand the concept of fluid dynamics.  You supposedly have a Masters in Marine Engineering.  That had to include some basic fluid dynamics, right?

Yes - ship hydrodynamics is very complex and the flow around a ship hull is not easy to understand, e.g. the turbulence at the stern, where the propellers and rudders are fitted. I studied it for many years. Why do you ask?
Really?  The calculations for the shock wave, the slowing of a capsule, and s-turns that slow the shuttle are fluid dynamics.  Since you're an "expert" in the fluid dynamics of a vessel on the sea you should be able to calculate the force of a reentry shock wave spread over heat shield of the capsule. 

That's why I ask...but, apparently you didn't make the connection.  I'm beginning to wonder if you actually are an engineer.

Mike

I explain at my web site why you cannot predict the brake force applied on a spacecraft during re-entry. Study it.
<snip>
Yes, actually you can predict the brake force.  If you really knew fluid mechanics you could easily reproduce the equations.

Your website states that an capsule would spin out of control upon reentry.  How do you know that?  What was your calculated pitching moment?  It's not on the website.

Mike

Hm, as the speed of the object and density of the environment changes all the time, the brake force changes all the time, so you cannot predict where you end up.
Anyway, the object starts to rotate around itself - simple model tests show that the object is unstable at any speed or environment. Haven't you studied my web page, where I link to the source?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 16, 2017, 10:55:43 AM
Please tell me you understand the concept of fluid dynamics.  You supposedly have a Masters in Marine Engineering.  That had to include some basic fluid dynamics, right?

Yes - ship hydrodynamics is very complex and the flow around a ship hull is not easy to understand, e.g. the turbulence at the stern, where the propellers and rudders are fitted. I studied it for many years. Why do you ask?
Really?  The calculations for the shock wave, the slowing of a capsule, and s-turns that slow the shuttle are fluid dynamics.  Since you're an "expert" in the fluid dynamics of a vessel on the sea you should be able to calculate the force of a reentry shock wave spread over heat shield of the capsule. 

That's why I ask...but, apparently you didn't make the connection.  I'm beginning to wonder if you actually are an engineer.

Mike

I explain at my web site why you cannot predict the brake force applied on a spacecraft during re-entry. Study it.
<snip>
Yes, actually you can predict the brake force.  If you really knew fluid mechanics you could easily reproduce the equations.

Your website states that an capsule would spin out of control upon reentry.  How do you know that?  What was your calculated pitching moment?  It's not on the website.

Mike

Hm, as the speed of the object and density of the environment changes all the time, the brake force changes all the time, so you cannot predict where you end up.
Anyway, the object starts to rotate around itself - simple model tests show that the object is unstable at any speed or environment. Haven't you studied my web page, where I link to the source?
That’s incorrect.  If you know the angle of attack is known.  The initial velocity is known.  From there the only input that changes is air density.  The dynamic stability derivative can then be plotted vs velocity.  The only thing that changes the velocity of the capsule is the drag caused by the change in air density.

I have studied your web page so stop telling me to do that.  I’ve studied it so well that I know you don’t include any actual values so I’ll ask again.

Since you claim to know the capsule reentry is unstable you had to have calculated these values.  Could you please provide your complete calculations rather than just your conclusions?

What was your calculated pitching moment, pitch damping derivative, pitch damping factor, and the dynamic and static stability derivatives?

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 16, 2017, 11:18:45 AM
Please tell me you understand the concept of fluid dynamics.  You supposedly have a Masters in Marine Engineering.  That had to include some basic fluid dynamics, right?

Yes - ship hydrodynamics is very complex and the flow around a ship hull is not easy to understand, e.g. the turbulence at the stern, where the propellers and rudders are fitted. I studied it for many years. Why do you ask?
Really?  The calculations for the shock wave, the slowing of a capsule, and s-turns that slow the shuttle are fluid dynamics.  Since you're an "expert" in the fluid dynamics of a vessel on the sea you should be able to calculate the force of a reentry shock wave spread over heat shield of the capsule. 

That's why I ask...but, apparently you didn't make the connection.  I'm beginning to wonder if you actually are an engineer.

Mike

I explain at my web site why you cannot predict the brake force applied on a spacecraft during re-entry. Study it.
<snip>
Yes, actually you can predict the brake force.  If you really knew fluid mechanics you could easily reproduce the equations.

Your website states that an capsule would spin out of control upon reentry.  How do you know that?  What was your calculated pitching moment?  It's not on the website.

Mike

Hm, as the speed of the object and density of the environment changes all the time, the brake force changes all the time, so you cannot predict where you end up.
Anyway, the object starts to rotate around itself - simple model tests show that the object is unstable at any speed or environment. Haven't you studied my web page, where I link to the source?
That’s incorrect.  If you know the angle of attack is known.  The initial velocity is known.  From there the only input that changes is air density.  The dynamic stability derivative can then be plotted vs velocity.  The only thing that changes the velocity of the capsule is the drag caused by the change in air density.

I have studied your web page so stop telling me to do that.  I’ve studied it so well that I know you don’t include any actual values so I’ll ask again.

Since you claim to know the capsule reentry is unstable you had to have calculated these values.  Could you please provide your complete calculations rather than just your conclusions?

What was your calculated pitching moment, pitch damping derivative, pitch damping factor, and the dynamic and static stability derivatives?

Mike

No, you do not know the angles of attack and direction or where you are at the top of the atmosphere and the local density of the environment and you do not know your velocity ... as it is increasing all the time.

And you have not visited my website and copied/pasted anything you do not understand.

So why do you waste your time prodicing nonsense comments?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 16, 2017, 11:26:50 AM

I explain at my web site why you cannot predict the brake force applied on a spacecraft during re-entry. Study it.
<snip>
Yes, actually you can predict the brake force.  If you really knew fluid mechanics you could easily reproduce the equations.

Your website states that an capsule would spin out of control upon reentry.  How do you know that?  What was your calculated pitching moment?  It's not on the website.

Mike

Hm, as the speed of the object and density of the environment changes all the time, the brake force changes all the time, so you cannot predict where you end up.
Anyway, the object starts to rotate around itself - simple model tests show that the object is unstable at any speed or environment. Haven't you studied my web page, where I link to the source?
That’s incorrect.  If you know the angle of attack is known.  The initial velocity is known.  From there the only input that changes is air density.  The dynamic stability derivative can then be plotted vs velocity.  The only thing that changes the velocity of the capsule is the drag caused by the change in air density.

I have studied your web page so stop telling me to do that.  I’ve studied it so well that I know you don’t include any actual values so I’ll ask again.

Since you claim to know the capsule reentry is unstable you had to have calculated these values.  Could you please provide your complete calculations rather than just your conclusions?

What was your calculated pitching moment, pitch damping derivative, pitch damping factor, and the dynamic and static stability derivatives?

Mike

No, you do not know the angles of attack and direction or where you are at the top of the atmosphere and the local density of the environment and you do not know your velocity ... as it is increasing all the time.

And you have not visited my website and copied/pasted anything you do not understand.

So why do you waste your time prodicing nonsense comments?
   
I never said I didn’t understand anything from your site.  I said the information I’m looking for is missing.

What want to see are your calculated pitching moment, and the dynamic and static stability derivatives?  You had to calculate them to know whether or not it’s possible to reenter the atmosphere.  If you didn’t do the correct calculations they your conclusions are baseless.  I DID READ YOUR WEBSITE.  If the information I was looking for was there I wouldn’t need to ask for it.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Kami on July 16, 2017, 11:29:27 AM
I think I feel ready to go on ships again. I had lost faith in engineers... But MicroBeta seems to be a competent one. Well, at least he is not so blatantly incompetent that every post makes you cry. (This is not meant as an insult, I just do not know enough about engineering to say anyting more, I just know that heiwa is definitely no engineer)

Sh*t, I totally forgot that the velocity is changing. If there only were some mathematical tools *cough*differential equations*cough* that could model exactly that. Sadly, there is no hope... If only there were people that could model non-stationary values. I get lost driving all the time, it is impossible to know my location, it changes all the time...
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 16, 2017, 11:40:13 AM

I explain at my web site why you cannot predict the brake force applied on a spacecraft during re-entry. Study it.
<snip>
Yes, actually you can predict the brake force.  If you really knew fluid mechanics you could easily reproduce the equations.

Your website states that an capsule would spin out of control upon reentry.  How do you know that?  What was your calculated pitching moment?  It's not on the website.

Mike

Hm, as the speed of the object and density of the environment changes all the time, the brake force changes all the time, so you cannot predict where you end up.
Anyway, the object starts to rotate around itself - simple model tests show that the object is unstable at any speed or environment. Haven't you studied my web page, where I link to the source?
That’s incorrect.  If you know the angle of attack is known.  The initial velocity is known.  From there the only input that changes is air density.  The dynamic stability derivative can then be plotted vs velocity.  The only thing that changes the velocity of the capsule is the drag caused by the change in air density.

I have studied your web page so stop telling me to do that.  I’ve studied it so well that I know you don’t include any actual values so I’ll ask again.

Since you claim to know the capsule reentry is unstable you had to have calculated these values.  Could you please provide your complete calculations rather than just your conclusions?

What was your calculated pitching moment, pitch damping derivative, pitch damping factor, and the dynamic and static stability derivatives?

Mike

No, you do not know the angles of attack and direction or where you are at the top of the atmosphere and the local density of the environment and you do not know your velocity ... as it is increasing all the time.

And you have not visited my website and copied/pasted anything you do not understand.

So why do you waste your time prodicing nonsense comments?
   
I never said I didn’t understand anything from your site.  I said the information I’m looking for is missing.

What want to see are your calculated pitching moment, and the dynamic and static stability derivatives?  You had to calculate them to know whether or not it’s possible to reenter the atmosphere.  If you didn’t do the correct calculations they your conclusions are baseless.  I DID READ YOUR WEBSITE.  If the information I was looking for was there I wouldn’t need to ask for it.

Mike

Well, if you do not find what you look for at my site, you should look somewhere else.

Re spacecrafts arriving from space to land on rotating planet Earth orbiting the Sun it seems we all agree that Earth gravity attracts the spacecraft perpendicular down to the centre of Earth - direction 0°.

But arriving with speed 11 000 m/s at 110 000 m altitude and direction 0° means that you will hit ground after 10 seconds.

So according NASA the spacecraft arrives almost horizontally - direction 85-87° - at the top of the atmosphere at 11 000 m/s speed and one way or other - friction/drag - it brakes and lowers itself in the straight direction towards the target ... unless it bounces up and out for a second attempt. I describe the nonsense at my web page. What do you think about it?
Ever heard about it?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 16, 2017, 11:49:25 AM
I think I feel ready to go on ships again. I had lost faith in engineers... But MicroBeta seems to be a competent one. Well, at least he is not so blatantly incompetent that every post makes you cry. (This is not meant as an insult, I just do not know enough about engineering to say anyting more, I just know that heiwa is definitely no engineer)

Sh*t, I totally forgot that the velocity is changing. If there only were some mathematical tools *cough*differential equations*cough* that could model exactly that. Sadly, there is no hope... If only there were people that could model non-stationary values. I get lost driving all the time, it is impossible to know my location, it changes all the time...
I'm just your average mechanical engineer.  It just so happens my area is reactor plant systems and at UCONN (Go Huskies!) my concentration was in computational mechanics...fluids and mechanical.  I'm nothing special.  AAMOF, I have a lot I still want to learn.  Life is about children and family but besides that, for me anyway, it's also about solving the puzzle.  In the end I'm just your average everyday guy and I hope I never stop learning.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: frenat on July 16, 2017, 11:51:21 AM

I explain at my web site why you cannot predict the brake force applied on a spacecraft during re-entry. Study it.
<snip>
Yes, actually you can predict the brake force.  If you really knew fluid mechanics you could easily reproduce the equations.

Your website states that an capsule would spin out of control upon reentry.  How do you know that?  What was your calculated pitching moment?  It's not on the website.

Mike

Hm, as the speed of the object and density of the environment changes all the time, the brake force changes all the time, so you cannot predict where you end up.
Anyway, the object starts to rotate around itself - simple model tests show that the object is unstable at any speed or environment. Haven't you studied my web page, where I link to the source?
That’s incorrect.  If you know the angle of attack is known.  The initial velocity is known.  From there the only input that changes is air density.  The dynamic stability derivative can then be plotted vs velocity.  The only thing that changes the velocity of the capsule is the drag caused by the change in air density.

I have studied your web page so stop telling me to do that.  I’ve studied it so well that I know you don’t include any actual values so I’ll ask again.

Since you claim to know the capsule reentry is unstable you had to have calculated these values.  Could you please provide your complete calculations rather than just your conclusions?

What was your calculated pitching moment, pitch damping derivative, pitch damping factor, and the dynamic and static stability derivatives?

Mike

No, you do not know the angles of attack and direction or where you are at the top of the atmosphere and the local density of the environment and you do not know your velocity ... as it is increasing all the time.

And you have not visited my website and copied/pasted anything you do not understand.

So why do you waste your time prodicing nonsense comments?
   
I never said I didn’t understand anything from your site.  I said the information I’m looking for is missing.

What want to see are your calculated pitching moment, and the dynamic and static stability derivatives?  You had to calculate them to know whether or not it’s possible to reenter the atmosphere.  If you didn’t do the correct calculations they your conclusions are baseless.  I DID READ YOUR WEBSITE.  If the information I was looking for was there I wouldn’t need to ask for it.

Mike

Well, if you do not find what you look for at my site, you should look somewhere else.

Re spacecrafts arriving from space to land on rotating planet Earth orbiting the Sun it seems we all agree that Earth gravity attracts the spacecraft perpendicular down to the centre of Earth - direction 0°.

But arriving with speed 11 000 m/s at 110 000 m altitude and direction 0° means that you will hit ground after 10 seconds.

So according NASA the spacecraft arrives almost horizontally - direction 85-87° - at the top of the atmosphere at 11 000 m/s speed and one way or other - friction/drag - it brakes and lowers itself in the straight direction towards the target ... unless it bounces up and out for a second attempt. I describe the nonsense at my web page. What do you think about it?
Ever heard about it?
Heiwa still proving the thread title.  A real engineer would understand that while gravity attracts perpendicular any sideways movement will change the trajectory.  Does anybody here trust Heiwa to build a swingset or a rowboats let alone try to understand space travel?  At least he's good for humor.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 16, 2017, 11:55:35 AM

I explain at my web site why you cannot predict the brake force applied on a spacecraft during re-entry. Study it.
<snip>
Yes, actually you can predict the brake force.  If you really knew fluid mechanics you could easily reproduce the equations.

Your website states that an capsule would spin out of control upon reentry.  How do you know that?  What was your calculated pitching moment?  It's not on the website.

Mike

Hm, as the speed of the object and density of the environment changes all the time, the brake force changes all the time, so you cannot predict where you end up.
Anyway, the object starts to rotate around itself - simple model tests show that the object is unstable at any speed or environment. Haven't you studied my web page, where I link to the source?
That’s incorrect.  If you know the angle of attack is known.  The initial velocity is known.  From there the only input that changes is air density.  The dynamic stability derivative can then be plotted vs velocity.  The only thing that changes the velocity of the capsule is the drag caused by the change in air density.

I have studied your web page so stop telling me to do that.  I’ve studied it so well that I know you don’t include any actual values so I’ll ask again.

Since you claim to know the capsule reentry is unstable you had to have calculated these values.  Could you please provide your complete calculations rather than just your conclusions?

What was your calculated pitching moment, pitch damping derivative, pitch damping factor, and the dynamic and static stability derivatives?

Mike

No, you do not know the angles of attack and direction or where you are at the top of the atmosphere and the local density of the environment and you do not know your velocity ... as it is increasing all the time.

And you have not visited my website and copied/pasted anything you do not understand.

So why do you waste your time prodicing nonsense comments?
   
I never said I didn’t understand anything from your site.  I said the information I’m looking for is missing.

What want to see are your calculated pitching moment, and the dynamic and static stability derivatives?  You had to calculate them to know whether or not it’s possible to reenter the atmosphere.  If you didn’t do the correct calculations they your conclusions are baseless.  I DID READ YOUR WEBSITE.  If the information I was looking for was there I wouldn’t need to ask for it.

Mike

Well, if you do not find what you look for at my site, you should look somewhere else.

Re spacecrafts arriving from space to land on rotating planet Earth orbiting the Sun it seems we all agree that Earth gravity attracts the spacecraft perpendicular down to the centre of Earth - direction 0°.

But arriving with speed 11 000 m/s at 110 000 m altitude and direction 0° means that you will hit ground after 10 seconds.

So according NASA the spacecraft arrives almost horizontally - direction 85-87° - at the top of the atmosphere at 11 000 m/s speed and one way or other - friction/drag - it brakes and lowers itself in the straight direction towards the target ... unless it bounces up and out for a second attempt. I describe the nonsense at my web page. What do you think about it?
Ever heard about it?

You’ve posted a lot of conclusions but they’re based on assumptions.  And, that’s fine as long as you analytically verify your assumptions are correct.
 
How do you have any idea your conclusions are correct if you’ve never calculated the dynamics?  Answer this question and do not tell me to read you website.  I have and the answer to this question is not there.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 16, 2017, 11:57:36 AM
I think I feel ready to go on ships again. I had lost faith in engineers... But MicroBeta seems to be a competent one. Well, at least he is not so blatantly incompetent that every post makes you cry. (This is not meant as an insult, I just do not know enough about engineering to say anyting more, I just know that heiwa is definitely no engineer)

Sh*t, I totally forgot that the velocity is changing. If there only were some mathematical tools *cough*differential equations*cough* that could model exactly that. Sadly, there is no hope... If only there were people that could model non-stationary values. I get lost driving all the time, it is impossible to know my location, it changes all the time...

Good! Take a cruise! But avoid the cheap, unsafe, crowded ones that I describe on my website. Probably you cannot afford the other ones. And the company will not be your style; Thus a waste of time. I only cruised for years as the owner's representative in the owner's suite being paid to drink champagne and eat lobster and caviar all the time and hearing the seasick passengers just complaining about everything. But it was fun.
No, stay ashore and go to car driving classes and learn to drive a car not to get lost.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 16, 2017, 12:00:52 PM

I explain at my web site why you cannot predict the brake force applied on a spacecraft during re-entry. Study it.
<snip>
Yes, actually you can predict the brake force.  If you really knew fluid mechanics you could easily reproduce the equations.

Your website states that an capsule would spin out of control upon reentry.  How do you know that?  What was your calculated pitching moment?  It's not on the website.

Mike

Hm, as the speed of the object and density of the environment changes all the time, the brake force changes all the time, so you cannot predict where you end up.
Anyway, the object starts to rotate around itself - simple model tests show that the object is unstable at any speed or environment. Haven't you studied my web page, where I link to the source?
That’s incorrect.  If you know the angle of attack is known.  The initial velocity is known.  From there the only input that changes is air density.  The dynamic stability derivative can then be plotted vs velocity.  The only thing that changes the velocity of the capsule is the drag caused by the change in air density.

I have studied your web page so stop telling me to do that.  I’ve studied it so well that I know you don’t include any actual values so I’ll ask again.

Since you claim to know the capsule reentry is unstable you had to have calculated these values.  Could you please provide your complete calculations rather than just your conclusions?

What was your calculated pitching moment, pitch damping derivative, pitch damping factor, and the dynamic and static stability derivatives?

Mike

No, you do not know the angles of attack and direction or where you are at the top of the atmosphere and the local density of the environment and you do not know your velocity ... as it is increasing all the time.

And you have not visited my website and copied/pasted anything you do not understand.

So why do you waste your time prodicing nonsense comments?
   
I never said I didn’t understand anything from your site.  I said the information I’m looking for is missing.

What want to see are your calculated pitching moment, and the dynamic and static stability derivatives?  You had to calculate them to know whether or not it’s possible to reenter the atmosphere.  If you didn’t do the correct calculations they your conclusions are baseless.  I DID READ YOUR WEBSITE.  If the information I was looking for was there I wouldn’t need to ask for it.

Mike

Well, if you do not find what you look for at my site, you should look somewhere else.

Re spacecrafts arriving from space to land on rotating planet Earth orbiting the Sun it seems we all agree that Earth gravity attracts the spacecraft perpendicular down to the centre of Earth - direction 0°.

But arriving with speed 11 000 m/s at 110 000 m altitude and direction 0° means that you will hit ground after 10 seconds.

So according NASA the spacecraft arrives almost horizontally - direction 85-87° - at the top of the atmosphere at 11 000 m/s speed and one way or other - friction/drag - it brakes and lowers itself in the straight direction towards the target ... unless it bounces up and out for a second attempt. I describe the nonsense at my web page. What do you think about it?
Ever heard about it?

You’ve posted a lot of conclusions but they’re based on assumptions.  And, that’s fine as long as you analytically verify your assumptions are correct.
 
How do you have any idea your conclusions are correct if you’ve never calculated the dynamics?  Answer this question and do not tell me to read you website.  I have and the answer to this question is not there.

Mike

Everything I publish at http://heiwaco.com is correct. If you find anything wrong, copy/paste it. If I do not publish something, it just means just that.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 16, 2017, 12:02:53 PM

I explain at my web site why you cannot predict the brake force applied on a spacecraft during re-entry. Study it.
<snip>
Yes, actually you can predict the brake force.  If you really knew fluid mechanics you could easily reproduce the equations.

Your website states that an capsule would spin out of control upon reentry.  How do you know that?  What was your calculated pitching moment?  It's not on the website.

Mike

Hm, as the speed of the object and density of the environment changes all the time, the brake force changes all the time, so you cannot predict where you end up.
Anyway, the object starts to rotate around itself - simple model tests show that the object is unstable at any speed or environment. Haven't you studied my web page, where I link to the source?
That’s incorrect.  If you know the angle of attack is known.  The initial velocity is known.  From there the only input that changes is air density.  The dynamic stability derivative can then be plotted vs velocity.  The only thing that changes the velocity of the capsule is the drag caused by the change in air density.

I have studied your web page so stop telling me to do that.  I’ve studied it so well that I know you don’t include any actual values so I’ll ask again.

Since you claim to know the capsule reentry is unstable you had to have calculated these values.  Could you please provide your complete calculations rather than just your conclusions?

What was your calculated pitching moment, pitch damping derivative, pitch damping factor, and the dynamic and static stability derivatives?

Mike

No, you do not know the angles of attack and direction or where you are at the top of the atmosphere and the local density of the environment and you do not know your velocity ... as it is increasing all the time.

And you have not visited my website and copied/pasted anything you do not understand.

So why do you waste your time prodicing nonsense comments?
   
I never said I didn’t understand anything from your site.  I said the information I’m looking for is missing.

What want to see are your calculated pitching moment, and the dynamic and static stability derivatives?  You had to calculate them to know whether or not it’s possible to reenter the atmosphere.  If you didn’t do the correct calculations they your conclusions are baseless.  I DID READ YOUR WEBSITE.  If the information I was looking for was there I wouldn’t need to ask for it.

Mike

Well, if you do not find what you look for at my site, you should look somewhere else.

Re spacecrafts arriving from space to land on rotating planet Earth orbiting the Sun it seems we all agree that Earth gravity attracts the spacecraft perpendicular down to the centre of Earth - direction 0°.

But arriving with speed 11 000 m/s at 110 000 m altitude and direction 0° means that you will hit ground after 10 seconds.

So according NASA the spacecraft arrives almost horizontally - direction 85-87° - at the top of the atmosphere at 11 000 m/s speed and one way or other - friction/drag - it brakes and lowers itself in the straight direction towards the target ... unless it bounces up and out for a second attempt. I describe the nonsense at my web page. What do you think about it?
Ever heard about it?
Heiwa still proving the thread title.  A real engineer would understand that while gravity attracts perpendicular any sideways movement will change the trajectory.  Does anybody here trust Heiwa to build a swingset or a rowboats let alone try to understand space travel?  At least he's good for humor.

Apparently, angular momentum and inertia don't exist in some peoples universe.  I'm beginning to doubt his engineering background.  I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt but the fluid mechanics necessary to calculate the forces and moments for an Apollo/Mercury capsule reentry should be in his wheel house.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: frenat on July 16, 2017, 12:05:08 PM

I explain at my web site why you cannot predict the brake force applied on a spacecraft during re-entry. Study it.
<snip>
Yes, actually you can predict the brake force.  If you really knew fluid mechanics you could easily reproduce the equations.

Your website states that an capsule would spin out of control upon reentry.  How do you know that?  What was your calculated pitching moment?  It's not on the website.

Mike

Hm, as the speed of the object and density of the environment changes all the time, the brake force changes all the time, so you cannot predict where you end up.
Anyway, the object starts to rotate around itself - simple model tests show that the object is unstable at any speed or environment. Haven't you studied my web page, where I link to the source?
That’s incorrect.  If you know the angle of attack is known.  The initial velocity is known.  From there the only input that changes is air density.  The dynamic stability derivative can then be plotted vs velocity.  The only thing that changes the velocity of the capsule is the drag caused by the change in air density.

I have studied your web page so stop telling me to do that.  I’ve studied it so well that I know you don’t include any actual values so I’ll ask again.

Since you claim to know the capsule reentry is unstable you had to have calculated these values.  Could you please provide your complete calculations rather than just your conclusions?

What was your calculated pitching moment, pitch damping derivative, pitch damping factor, and the dynamic and static stability derivatives?

Mike

No, you do not know the angles of attack and direction or where you are at the top of the atmosphere and the local density of the environment and you do not know your velocity ... as it is increasing all the time.

And you have not visited my website and copied/pasted anything you do not understand.

So why do you waste your time prodicing nonsense comments?
   
I never said I didn’t understand anything from your site.  I said the information I’m looking for is missing.

What want to see are your calculated pitching moment, and the dynamic and static stability derivatives?  You had to calculate them to know whether or not it’s possible to reenter the atmosphere.  If you didn’t do the correct calculations they your conclusions are baseless.  I DID READ YOUR WEBSITE.  If the information I was looking for was there I wouldn’t need to ask for it.

Mike

Well, if you do not find what you look for at my site, you should look somewhere else.

Re spacecrafts arriving from space to land on rotating planet Earth orbiting the Sun it seems we all agree that Earth gravity attracts the spacecraft perpendicular down to the centre of Earth - direction 0°.

But arriving with speed 11 000 m/s at 110 000 m altitude and direction 0° means that you will hit ground after 10 seconds.

So according NASA the spacecraft arrives almost horizontally - direction 85-87° - at the top of the atmosphere at 11 000 m/s speed and one way or other - friction/drag - it brakes and lowers itself in the straight direction towards the target ... unless it bounces up and out for a second attempt. I describe the nonsense at my web page. What do you think about it?
Ever heard about it?
Heiwa still proving the thread title.  A real engineer would understand that while gravity attracts perpendicular any sideways movement will change the trajectory.  Does anybody here trust Heiwa to build a swingset or a rowboats let alone try to understand space travel?  At least he's good for humor.

Apparently, angular momentum and inertia don't exist in some peoples universe.  I'm beginning to doubt his engineering background.  I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt but the fluid mechanics necessary to calculate the forces and moments for an Apollo/Mercury capsule reentry should be in his wheel house.

All he's shown to be in his wheelhouse is pathological lying and arguments from incredulity.  I doubt he knows anything more than that and I wouldn't trust him to design a birdhouse.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 16, 2017, 12:09:08 PM

I explain at my web site why you cannot predict the brake force applied on a spacecraft during re-entry. Study it.
<snip>
Yes, actually you can predict the brake force.  If you really knew fluid mechanics you could easily reproduce the equations.

Your website states that an capsule would spin out of control upon reentry.  How do you know that?  What was your calculated pitching moment?  It's not on the website.

Mike

Hm, as the speed of the object and density of the environment changes all the time, the brake force changes all the time, so you cannot predict where you end up.
Anyway, the object starts to rotate around itself - simple model tests show that the object is unstable at any speed or environment. Haven't you studied my web page, where I link to the source?
That’s incorrect.  If you know the angle of attack is known.  The initial velocity is known.  From there the only input that changes is air density.  The dynamic stability derivative can then be plotted vs velocity.  The only thing that changes the velocity of the capsule is the drag caused by the change in air density.

I have studied your web page so stop telling me to do that.  I’ve studied it so well that I know you don’t include any actual values so I’ll ask again.

Since you claim to know the capsule reentry is unstable you had to have calculated these values.  Could you please provide your complete calculations rather than just your conclusions?

What was your calculated pitching moment, pitch damping derivative, pitch damping factor, and the dynamic and static stability derivatives?

Mike

No, you do not know the angles of attack and direction or where you are at the top of the atmosphere and the local density of the environment and you do not know your velocity ... as it is increasing all the time.

And you have not visited my website and copied/pasted anything you do not understand.

So why do you waste your time prodicing nonsense comments?
   
I never said I didn’t understand anything from your site.  I said the information I’m looking for is missing.

What want to see are your calculated pitching moment, and the dynamic and static stability derivatives?  You had to calculate them to know whether or not it’s possible to reenter the atmosphere.  If you didn’t do the correct calculations they your conclusions are baseless.  I DID READ YOUR WEBSITE.  If the information I was looking for was there I wouldn’t need to ask for it.

Mike

Well, if you do not find what you look for at my site, you should look somewhere else.

Re spacecrafts arriving from space to land on rotating planet Earth orbiting the Sun it seems we all agree that Earth gravity attracts the spacecraft perpendicular down to the centre of Earth - direction 0°.

But arriving with speed 11 000 m/s at 110 000 m altitude and direction 0° means that you will hit ground after 10 seconds.

So according NASA the spacecraft arrives almost horizontally - direction 85-87° - at the top of the atmosphere at 11 000 m/s speed and one way or other - friction/drag - it brakes and lowers itself in the straight direction towards the target ... unless it bounces up and out for a second attempt. I describe the nonsense at my web page. What do you think about it?
Ever heard about it?

You’ve posted a lot of conclusions but they’re based on assumptions.  And, that’s fine as long as you analytically verify your assumptions are correct.
 
How do you have any idea your conclusions are correct if you’ve never calculated the dynamics?  Answer this question and do not tell me to read you website.  I have and the answer to this question is not there.

Mike

Everything I publish at http://heiwaco.com is correct. If you find anything wrong, copy/paste it. If I do not publish something, it just means just that.

IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO CUT & PASTE WHAT ISN'T THERE. 

Provide us with the pitching moment, and the dynamic and static stability derivative calculations that support your assumptions and conclusions.  You had to have done them to know you are right so all I'm asking is to see them.  Do you have them?  Yes or No?

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Kami on July 16, 2017, 12:20:06 PM
But arriving with speed 11 000 m/s at 110 000 m altitude and direction 0° means that you will hit ground after 10 seconds.
With this sentence you clearly demonstrate your lack of understanding in orbital mechanics. Why would someone ever drop down at a direction of 0°? That would require a delta-v of about 12km/s, which is insane.
Quote
So according NASA the spacecraft arrives almost horizontally - direction 85-87° - at the top of the atmosphere at 11 000 m/s speed and one way or other - friction/drag - it brakes and lowers itself in the straight direction towards the target ... unless it bounces up and out for a second attempt. I describe the nonsense at my web page. What do you think about it?
Ever heard about it?
Yes, this is the standard way. Requires only a few 100m/s and offers a long braking way. The bouncing up and out is theoretically possible for high-altitude orbits, but I have never heard of a single instance where this occured.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: onebigmonkey on July 16, 2017, 12:41:58 PM
But arriving with speed 11 000 m/s at 110 000 m altitude and direction 0° means that you will hit ground after 10 seconds.
With this sentence you clearly demonstrate your lack of understanding in orbital mechanics. Why would someone ever drop down at a direction of 0°? That would require a delta-v of about 12km/s, which is insane.
Quote
So according NASA the spacecraft arrives almost horizontally - direction 85-87° - at the top of the atmosphere at 11 000 m/s speed and one way or other - friction/drag - it brakes and lowers itself in the straight direction towards the target ... unless it bounces up and out for a second attempt. I describe the nonsense at my web page. What do you think about it?
Ever heard about it?
Yes, this is the standard way. Requires only a few 100m/s and offers a long braking way. The bouncing up and out is theoretically possible for high-altitude orbits, but I have never heard of a single instance where this occured.

Just like his dumb idea of how you enter lunar orbit (you arrive at the moon dead centre and do a 90 degree left turn), Heiwa has the dumb idea that you do the same thing when you arrive back at Earth: arrive dead centre, land.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Pezevenk on July 16, 2017, 01:54:32 PM
I insist. Someone has to buy Heiwa a copy of Kerbal Space Program.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 16, 2017, 09:35:26 PM
But arriving with speed 11 000 m/s at 110 000 m altitude and direction 0° means that you will hit ground after 10 seconds.
With this sentence you clearly demonstrate your lack of understanding in orbital mechanics. Why would someone ever drop down at a direction of 0°? That would require a delta-v of about 12km/s, which is insane.
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So according NASA the spacecraft arrives almost horizontally - direction 85-87° - at the top of the atmosphere at 11 000 m/s speed and one way or other - friction/drag - it brakes and lowers itself in the straight direction towards the target ... unless it bounces up and out for a second attempt. I describe the nonsense at my web page. What do you think about it?
Ever heard about it?
Yes, this is the standard way. Requires only a few 100m/s and offers a long braking way. The bouncing up and out is theoretically possible for high-altitude orbits, but I have never heard of a single instance where this occured.

You haven't heard about a skip reentry? NASA has written several reports about it!
I describe it at http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm#RES
The Apollo 11 computer could calculate it in the 1960's. You don't need a Kerbal Space Program:
(http://heiwaco.com/apolentry1A.gif)
To land on Earth there are three phases: INITIAL ENTRY, UPCONTROL and  FINAL ENTRY.

It is like parking a car in a city! First you try to find a parking place, then you drive around for while and with luck you find an empty slot. Note that the drogue parachute is deployed at 20 000 m altitude and normal, main parachutes at 10 000 m altitude and that the end is an Impact!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 17, 2017, 01:50:02 AM
You haven't heard about a skip reentry? NASA has written several reports about it!
I describe it at http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm#RES
The Apollo 11 computer could calculate it in the 1960's. You don't need a Kerbal Space Program:
(http://heiwaco.com/apolentry1A.gif)
To land on Earth there are three phases: INITIAL ENTRY, UPCONTROL and  FINAL ENTRY.

It is like parking a car in a city! First you try to find a parking place, then you drive around for while and with luck you find an empty slot. Note that the drogue parachute is deployed at 20 000 m altitude and normal, main parachutes at 10 000 m altitude and that the end is an Impact!



You’ve posted a lot of conclusions but they’re based on assumptions.  And, that’s fine as long as you analytically verify your assumptions are correct.
 
How do you have any idea your conclusions are correct if you’ve never calculated the dynamics?  Answer this question and do not tell me to read you website.  I have and the answer to this question is not there.

Mike

Everything I publish at http://heiwaco.com is correct. If you find anything wrong, copy/paste it. If I do not publish something, it just means just that.

IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO CUT & PASTE WHAT ISN'T THERE. 

Provide us with the pitching moment, and the dynamic and static stability derivative calculations that support your assumptions and conclusions.  You had to have done them to know you are right so all I'm asking is to see them.  Do you have them?  Yes or No?

Mike
So, are you going to answer my question or not.  Yes or No.

Here’s my problem.  You’re making conclusions based on silly assumption and using other people’s conclusions and work.  You claim to be an engineer whose qualifications make fluid mechanics part of your job.  Therefore, the logical conclusion for those of us reading your website is that you performed the same calculations that used by NASA, and that you can find in any text book on the subject.

This information is not on your website.  You’ve made claims that can only be tested analytically.  You make the claim that the vehicle will spin out of control and burn up.  In order to say that you had to have done the calculations.  Right?   

Will you provide your pitch and stability calculations that you used to prove reentry is impossible?  Yes or No?

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 17, 2017, 03:18:31 AM
You haven't heard about a skip reentry? NASA has written several reports about it!
I describe it at http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm#RES
The Apollo 11 computer could calculate it in the 1960's. You don't need a Kerbal Space Program:
(http://heiwaco.com/apolentry1A.gif)
To land on Earth there are three phases: INITIAL ENTRY, UPCONTROL and  FINAL ENTRY.

It is like parking a car in a city! First you try to find a parking place, then you drive around for while and with luck you find an empty slot. Note that the drogue parachute is deployed at 20 000 m altitude and normal, main parachutes at 10 000 m altitude and that the end is an Impact!



You’ve posted a lot of conclusions but they’re based on assumptions.  And, that’s fine as long as you analytically verify your assumptions are correct.
 
How do you have any idea your conclusions are correct if you’ve never calculated the dynamics?  Answer this question and do not tell me to read you website.  I have and the answer to this question is not there.

Mike

Everything I publish at http://heiwaco.com is correct. If you find anything wrong, copy/paste it. If I do not publish something, it just means just that.

IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO CUT & PASTE WHAT ISN'T THERE. 

Provide us with the pitching moment, and the dynamic and static stability derivative calculations that support your assumptions and conclusions.  You had to have done them to know you are right so all I'm asking is to see them.  Do you have them?  Yes or No?

Mike
So, are you going to answer my question or not.  Yes or No.

Here’s my problem.  You’re making conclusions based on silly assumption and using other people’s conclusions and work.  You claim to be an engineer whose qualifications make fluid mechanics part of your job.  Therefore, the logical conclusion for those of us reading your website is that you performed the same calculations that NASA used, and that you can find in any text book on the subject.

This information is not on your website.  You’ve made claims that can only be tested analytically.  You make the claim that the vehicle will spin out of control and burn up.  In order to say that you had to have done the calculations.  Right?   

Will you provide your pitch and stability calculations that you used to prove reentry is impossible?  Yes or No?

Mike
Yes, I am an engineer and I have studied the motions of ships, incl. pitching, heaving, rolling, yawing, etc, and the associated forces and moments for several years. To design a ship you must know all the forces applied on the ship and then develop the design accordingly. I have done it many times. But my web site is about other matters. Safety!

Re spacecrafts arriving to the top of the atmosphere at 120 000 m altitude at >11 000 m/s speed from space, I can assure you that no forces and moments due to atmosphere will brake the spacecraft. There is no air up there. The spacecraft will thus continue another 2-4 seconds and later burn up during another 2-4 seconds.
Just watch the sky any night and observe all the meteorites being vaporized. It happens all the time.
As I say, only twerps believe in UFOs and green things piloting them, etc, etc; You sound like one.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 17, 2017, 03:27:03 AM
You haven't heard about a skip reentry? NASA has written several reports about it!
I describe it at http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm#RES
The Apollo 11 computer could calculate it in the 1960's. You don't need a Kerbal Space Program:
(http://heiwaco.com/apolentry1A.gif)
To land on Earth there are three phases: INITIAL ENTRY, UPCONTROL and  FINAL ENTRY.

It is like parking a car in a city! First you try to find a parking place, then you drive around for while and with luck you find an empty slot. Note that the drogue parachute is deployed at 20 000 m altitude and normal, main parachutes at 10 000 m altitude and that the end is an Impact!



You’ve posted a lot of conclusions but they’re based on assumptions.  And, that’s fine as long as you analytically verify your assumptions are correct.
 
How do you have any idea your conclusions are correct if you’ve never calculated the dynamics?  Answer this question and do not tell me to read you website.  I have and the answer to this question is not there.

Mike

Everything I publish at http://heiwaco.com is correct. If you find anything wrong, copy/paste it. If I do not publish something, it just means just that.

IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO CUT & PASTE WHAT ISN'T THERE. 

Provide us with the pitching moment, and the dynamic and static stability derivative calculations that support your assumptions and conclusions.  You had to have done them to know you are right so all I'm asking is to see them.  Do you have them?  Yes or No?

Mike
So, are you going to answer my question or not.  Yes or No.

Here’s my problem.  You’re making conclusions based on silly assumption and using other people’s conclusions and work.  You claim to be an engineer whose qualifications make fluid mechanics part of your job.  Therefore, the logical conclusion for those of us reading your website is that you performed the same calculations that NASA used, and that you can find in any text book on the subject.

This information is not on your website.  You’ve made claims that can only be tested analytically.  You make the claim that the vehicle will spin out of control and burn up.  In order to say that you had to have done the calculations.  Right?   

Will you provide your pitch and stability calculations that you used to prove reentry is impossible?  Yes or No?

Mike
Yes, I am an engineer and I have studied the motions of ships, incl. pitching, heaving, rolling, yawing, etc, and the associated forces and moments for several years. To design a ship you must know all the forces applied on the ship and then develop the design accordingly. I have done it many times. But my web site is about other matters. Safety!

Re spacecrafts arriving to the top of the atmosphere at 120 000 m altitude at >11 000 m/s speed from space, I can assure you that no forces and moments due to atmosphere will brake the spacecraft. There is no air up there. The spacecraft will thus continue another 2-4 seconds and later burn up during another 2-4 seconds.
Just watch the sky any night and observe all the meteorites being vaporized. It happens all the time.
As I say, only twerps believe in UFOs and green things piloting them, etc, etc; You sound like one.
You just keep up with the personal comments hoping against hope I'll address them instead of my question.  Very poor strawman.

In order to assure me of anything you have to have done the calculations.  Will you provide your pitch and stability calculations that you used to prove reentry is impossible and the craft will burn up?  Yes or No?

https://ia600501.us.archive.org/14/items/nasa_techdoc_19750065842/19750065842.pdf
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 17, 2017, 03:50:51 AM
You haven't heard about a skip reentry? NASA has written several reports about it!
I describe it at http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm#RES
The Apollo 11 computer could calculate it in the 1960's. You don't need a Kerbal Space Program:
(http://heiwaco.com/apolentry1A.gif)
To land on Earth there are three phases: INITIAL ENTRY, UPCONTROL and  FINAL ENTRY.

It is like parking a car in a city! First you try to find a parking place, then you drive around for while and with luck you find an empty slot. Note that the drogue parachute is deployed at 20 000 m altitude and normal, main parachutes at 10 000 m altitude and that the end is an Impact!



You’ve posted a lot of conclusions but they’re based on assumptions.  And, that’s fine as long as you analytically verify your assumptions are correct.
 
How do you have any idea your conclusions are correct if you’ve never calculated the dynamics?  Answer this question and do not tell me to read you website.  I have and the answer to this question is not there.

Mike

Everything I publish at http://heiwaco.com is correct. If you find anything wrong, copy/paste it. If I do not publish something, it just means just that.

IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO CUT & PASTE WHAT ISN'T THERE. 

Provide us with the pitching moment, and the dynamic and static stability derivative calculations that support your assumptions and conclusions.  You had to have done them to know you are right so all I'm asking is to see them.  Do you have them?  Yes or No?

Mike
So, are you going to answer my question or not.  Yes or No.

Here’s my problem.  You’re making conclusions based on silly assumption and using other people’s conclusions and work.  You claim to be an engineer whose qualifications make fluid mechanics part of your job.  Therefore, the logical conclusion for those of us reading your website is that you performed the same calculations that NASA used, and that you can find in any text book on the subject.

This information is not on your website.  You’ve made claims that can only be tested analytically.  You make the claim that the vehicle will spin out of control and burn up.  In order to say that you had to have done the calculations.  Right?   

Will you provide your pitch and stability calculations that you used to prove reentry is impossible?  Yes or No?

Mike
Yes, I am an engineer and I have studied the motions of ships, incl. pitching, heaving, rolling, yawing, etc, and the associated forces and moments for several years. To design a ship you must know all the forces applied on the ship and then develop the design accordingly. I have done it many times. But my web site is about other matters. Safety!

Re spacecrafts arriving to the top of the atmosphere at 120 000 m altitude at >11 000 m/s speed from space, I can assure you that no forces and moments due to atmosphere will brake the spacecraft. There is no air up there. The spacecraft will thus continue another 2-4 seconds and later burn up during another 2-4 seconds.
Just watch the sky any night and observe all the meteorites being vaporized. It happens all the time.
As I say, only twerps believe in UFOs and green things piloting them, etc, etc; You sound like one.
You just keep up with the personal comments hoping against hope I'll address them instead of my question.  Very poor strawman.

In order to assure me of anything you have to have done the calculations.  Will you provide your pitch and stability calculations that you used to prove reentry is impossible and the craft will burn up?  Yes or No?

https://ia600501.us.archive.org/14/items/nasa_techdoc_19750065842/19750065842.pdf

Thanks. The 1965 planning document is about how land on Earth in three phases: INITIAL ENTRY, UPCONTROL and  FINAL ENTRY.

Unfortunatly the 1965 document does not explain what forces/moments, etc, are acting on the spacecraft duting the  INITIAL ENTRY in the upper atmosphere sending it back into space again - UPCONTROL - for a second attempt. It seems it is forgotten that Earth gravity acts on the spacecraft down all the time. What force could send it up?

Anyway, Apollo 11 1969 ignored the INITIAL ENTRY and UPCONTROL phases and went straight for FINAL ENTRY. How Apollo 11 found the location B up in the sky to start the FINAL ENTRY is still unclear. If you asked about it 1969 armed NASA people would show up Gestapo style and ask you to shut up. It was part of the show.

Of course no Apollo 11 was ever in space.

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 17, 2017, 04:15:33 AM
You haven't heard about a skip reentry? NASA has written several reports about it!
I describe it at http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm#RES
The Apollo 11 computer could calculate it in the 1960's. You don't need a Kerbal Space Program:
(http://heiwaco.com/apolentry1A.gif)
To land on Earth there are three phases: INITIAL ENTRY, UPCONTROL and  FINAL ENTRY.

It is like parking a car in a city! First you try to find a parking place, then you drive around for while and with luck you find an empty slot. Note that the drogue parachute is deployed at 20 000 m altitude and normal, main parachutes at 10 000 m altitude and that the end is an Impact!



You’ve posted a lot of conclusions but they’re based on assumptions.  And, that’s fine as long as you analytically verify your assumptions are correct.
 
How do you have any idea your conclusions are correct if you’ve never calculated the dynamics?  Answer this question and do not tell me to read you website.  I have and the answer to this question is not there.

Mike

Everything I publish at http://heiwaco.com is correct. If you find anything wrong, copy/paste it. If I do not publish something, it just means just that.

IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO CUT & PASTE WHAT ISN'T THERE. 

Provide us with the pitching moment, and the dynamic and static stability derivative calculations that support your assumptions and conclusions.  You had to have done them to know you are right so all I'm asking is to see them.  Do you have them?  Yes or No?

Mike
So, are you going to answer my question or not.  Yes or No.

Here’s my problem.  You’re making conclusions based on silly assumption and using other people’s conclusions and work.  You claim to be an engineer whose qualifications make fluid mechanics part of your job.  Therefore, the logical conclusion for those of us reading your website is that you performed the same calculations that NASA used, and that you can find in any text book on the subject.

This information is not on your website.  You’ve made claims that can only be tested analytically.  You make the claim that the vehicle will spin out of control and burn up.  In order to say that you had to have done the calculations.  Right?   

Will you provide your pitch and stability calculations that you used to prove reentry is impossible?  Yes or No?

Mike
Yes, I am an engineer and I have studied the motions of ships, incl. pitching, heaving, rolling, yawing, etc, and the associated forces and moments for several years. To design a ship you must know all the forces applied on the ship and then develop the design accordingly. I have done it many times. But my web site is about other matters. Safety!

Re spacecrafts arriving to the top of the atmosphere at 120 000 m altitude at >11 000 m/s speed from space, I can assure you that no forces and moments due to atmosphere will brake the spacecraft. There is no air up there. The spacecraft will thus continue another 2-4 seconds and later burn up during another 2-4 seconds.
Just watch the sky any night and observe all the meteorites being vaporized. It happens all the time.
As I say, only twerps believe in UFOs and green things piloting them, etc, etc; You sound like one.
You just keep up with the personal comments hoping against hope I'll address them instead of my question.  Very poor strawman.

In order to assure me of anything you have to have done the calculations.  Will you provide your pitch and stability calculations that you used to prove reentry is impossible and the craft will burn up?  Yes or No?

https://ia600501.us.archive.org/14/items/nasa_techdoc_19750065842/19750065842.pdf

Thanks. The 1965 planning document is about how land on Earth in three phases: INITIAL ENTRY, UPCONTROL and  FINAL ENTRY.

Unfortunatly the 1965 document does not explain what forces/moments, etc, are acting on the spacecraft duting the  INITIAL ENTRY in the upper atmosphere sending it back into space again - UPCONTROL - for a second attempt. It seems it is forgotten that Earth gravity acts on the spacecraft down all the time. What force could send it up?

Anyway, Apollo 11 1969 ignored the INITIAL ENTRY and UPCONTROL phases and went straight for FINAL ENTRY. How Apollo 11 found the location B up in the sky to start the FINAL ENTRY is still unclear. If you asked about it 1969 armed NASA people would show up Gestapo style and ask you to shut up. It was part of the show.

Of course no Apollo 11 was ever in space.
Did you actually read that document?  It contains the complete analytical solution.  All the equations and their derivatives fully describing how the reentry flow logic (software flow charts) were formulated. 

That document contains everything needed to calculate the Apollo Capsule reentry for any given reentry angle and velocity.   You don’t even try to refute it. 

I’ve come to the conclusion that you have no earthly idea what you’re talking about.  Your website has nothing to do with marine safety.  Almost the entire website is junk science and conspiracy theories. 

The worst part is that none of it is your own work.  You regurgitate and linked to other websites.  I handed you NASA’s complete analytical solution on a silver platter.  All you had to do was show their solution doesn’t work for any reentry angle and velocity.  However, you didn’t even read it.

Actually, I believe the real problem is that you don’t understand what you’re reading and have no idea how it works so you make up some crap ass excuses.  For instance, you say they’ve forgotten about gravity.  Well if you had actually read it you’d find gravity in the list of variables and can see which equations it’s used in.

You are a junk science conspiracy theory nut job who can’t even be bothered to do his own work.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 17, 2017, 04:22:37 AM
You haven't heard about a skip reentry? NASA has written several reports about it!
I describe it at http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm#RES
The Apollo 11 computer could calculate it in the 1960's. You don't need a Kerbal Space Program:
(http://heiwaco.com/apolentry1A.gif)
To land on Earth there are three phases: INITIAL ENTRY, UPCONTROL and  FINAL ENTRY.

It is like parking a car in a city! First you try to find a parking place, then you drive around for while and with luck you find an empty slot. Note that the drogue parachute is deployed at 20 000 m altitude and normal, main parachutes at 10 000 m altitude and that the end is an Impact!



You’ve posted a lot of conclusions but they’re based on assumptions.  And, that’s fine as long as you analytically verify your assumptions are correct.
 
How do you have any idea your conclusions are correct if you’ve never calculated the dynamics?  Answer this question and do not tell me to read you website.  I have and the answer to this question is not there.

Mike

Everything I publish at http://heiwaco.com is correct. If you find anything wrong, copy/paste it. If I do not publish something, it just means just that.

IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO CUT & PASTE WHAT ISN'T THERE. 

Provide us with the pitching moment, and the dynamic and static stability derivative calculations that support your assumptions and conclusions.  You had to have done them to know you are right so all I'm asking is to see them.  Do you have them?  Yes or No?

Mike
So, are you going to answer my question or not.  Yes or No.

Here’s my problem.  You’re making conclusions based on silly assumption and using other people’s conclusions and work.  You claim to be an engineer whose qualifications make fluid mechanics part of your job.  Therefore, the logical conclusion for those of us reading your website is that you performed the same calculations that NASA used, and that you can find in any text book on the subject.

This information is not on your website.  You’ve made claims that can only be tested analytically.  You make the claim that the vehicle will spin out of control and burn up.  In order to say that you had to have done the calculations.  Right?   

Will you provide your pitch and stability calculations that you used to prove reentry is impossible?  Yes or No?

Mike
Yes, I am an engineer and I have studied the motions of ships, incl. pitching, heaving, rolling, yawing, etc, and the associated forces and moments for several years. To design a ship you must know all the forces applied on the ship and then develop the design accordingly. I have done it many times. But my web site is about other matters. Safety!

Re spacecrafts arriving to the top of the atmosphere at 120 000 m altitude at >11 000 m/s speed from space, I can assure you that no forces and moments due to atmosphere will brake the spacecraft. There is no air up there. The spacecraft will thus continue another 2-4 seconds and later burn up during another 2-4 seconds.
Just watch the sky any night and observe all the meteorites being vaporized. It happens all the time.
As I say, only twerps believe in UFOs and green things piloting them, etc, etc; You sound like one.
You just keep up with the personal comments hoping against hope I'll address them instead of my question.  Very poor strawman.

In order to assure me of anything you have to have done the calculations.  Will you provide your pitch and stability calculations that you used to prove reentry is impossible and the craft will burn up?  Yes or No?

https://ia600501.us.archive.org/14/items/nasa_techdoc_19750065842/19750065842.pdf

Thanks. The 1965 planning document is about how land on Earth in three phases: INITIAL ENTRY, UPCONTROL and  FINAL ENTRY.

Unfortunatly the 1965 document does not explain what forces/moments, etc, are acting on the spacecraft duting the  INITIAL ENTRY in the upper atmosphere sending it back into space again - UPCONTROL - for a second attempt. It seems it is forgotten that Earth gravity acts on the spacecraft down all the time. What force could send it up?

Anyway, Apollo 11 1969 ignored the INITIAL ENTRY and UPCONTROL phases and went straight for FINAL ENTRY. How Apollo 11 found the location B up in the sky to start the FINAL ENTRY is still unclear. If you asked about it 1969 armed NASA people would show up Gestapo style and ask you to shut up. It was part of the show.

Of course no Apollo 11 was ever in space.
Did you actually read that document?  It contains the complete analytical solution.  All the equations and their derivatives fully describing how the reentry flow logic (software flow charts) were formulated. 

That document contains everything needed to calculate the Apollo Capsule reentry for any given reentry angle and velocity.   You don’t even try to refute it. 

I’ve come to the conclusion that you have no earthly idea what you’re talking about.  Your website has nothing to do with marine safety.  Almost the entire website is junk science and conspiracy theories. 

The worst part is that none of it is your own work.  You regurgitate and linked to other websites.  I handed you NASA’s complete analytical solution on a silver platter.  All you had to do was show their solution doesn’t work for any reentry angle and velocity.  However, you didn’t even read it.

Actually, I believe the real problem is that you don’t understand what you’re reading and have no idea how it works so you make up some crap ass excuses.  For instance, you say they’ve forgotten about gravity.  Well if you had actually read it you’d find gravity in the list of variables and can see which equations it’s used in.

You are a junk science conspiracy theory nut job who can’t even be bothered to do his own work.

Mike

I’ve also come to the conclusion that you have no earthly idea what you’re talking about. You sound like a NASA twerp. Dusting off 52 years old garbage, etc.

What really pisses me off is your talk about conspiracy theory.

It was a great show in the 1960's! Everyone believed it was real. Noone got hurt. It was fun. I really loved Valentina Tereshkova, the first female kosmopenguin. She was beautiful and fun.

And here you come and destroy the fun and suggest it was real. You are a real twerp.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 17, 2017, 04:48:51 AM
You haven't heard about a skip reentry? NASA has written several reports about it!
I describe it at http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm#RES
The Apollo 11 computer could calculate it in the 1960's. You don't need a Kerbal Space Program:
(http://heiwaco.com/apolentry1A.gif)
To land on Earth there are three phases: INITIAL ENTRY, UPCONTROL and  FINAL ENTRY.

It is like parking a car in a city! First you try to find a parking place, then you drive around for while and with luck you find an empty slot. Note that the drogue parachute is deployed at 20 000 m altitude and normal, main parachutes at 10 000 m altitude and that the end is an Impact!



You’ve posted a lot of conclusions but they’re based on assumptions.  And, that’s fine as long as you analytically verify your assumptions are correct.
 
How do you have any idea your conclusions are correct if you’ve never calculated the dynamics?  Answer this question and do not tell me to read you website.  I have and the answer to this question is not there.

Mike

Everything I publish at http://heiwaco.com is correct. If you find anything wrong, copy/paste it. If I do not publish something, it just means just that.

IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO CUT & PASTE WHAT ISN'T THERE. 

Provide us with the pitching moment, and the dynamic and static stability derivative calculations that support your assumptions and conclusions.  You had to have done them to know you are right so all I'm asking is to see them.  Do you have them?  Yes or No?

Mike
So, are you going to answer my question or not.  Yes or No.

Here’s my problem.  You’re making conclusions based on silly assumption and using other people’s conclusions and work.  You claim to be an engineer whose qualifications make fluid mechanics part of your job.  Therefore, the logical conclusion for those of us reading your website is that you performed the same calculations that NASA used, and that you can find in any text book on the subject.

This information is not on your website.  You’ve made claims that can only be tested analytically.  You make the claim that the vehicle will spin out of control and burn up.  In order to say that you had to have done the calculations.  Right?   

Will you provide your pitch and stability calculations that you used to prove reentry is impossible?  Yes or No?

Mike
Yes, I am an engineer and I have studied the motions of ships, incl. pitching, heaving, rolling, yawing, etc, and the associated forces and moments for several years. To design a ship you must know all the forces applied on the ship and then develop the design accordingly. I have done it many times. But my web site is about other matters. Safety!

Re spacecrafts arriving to the top of the atmosphere at 120 000 m altitude at >11 000 m/s speed from space, I can assure you that no forces and moments due to atmosphere will brake the spacecraft. There is no air up there. The spacecraft will thus continue another 2-4 seconds and later burn up during another 2-4 seconds.
Just watch the sky any night and observe all the meteorites being vaporized. It happens all the time.
As I say, only twerps believe in UFOs and green things piloting them, etc, etc; You sound like one.
You just keep up with the personal comments hoping against hope I'll address them instead of my question.  Very poor strawman.

In order to assure me of anything you have to have done the calculations.  Will you provide your pitch and stability calculations that you used to prove reentry is impossible and the craft will burn up?  Yes or No?

https://ia600501.us.archive.org/14/items/nasa_techdoc_19750065842/19750065842.pdf

Thanks. The 1965 planning document is about how land on Earth in three phases: INITIAL ENTRY, UPCONTROL and  FINAL ENTRY.

Unfortunatly the 1965 document does not explain what forces/moments, etc, are acting on the spacecraft duting the  INITIAL ENTRY in the upper atmosphere sending it back into space again - UPCONTROL - for a second attempt. It seems it is forgotten that Earth gravity acts on the spacecraft down all the time. What force could send it up?

Anyway, Apollo 11 1969 ignored the INITIAL ENTRY and UPCONTROL phases and went straight for FINAL ENTRY. How Apollo 11 found the location B up in the sky to start the FINAL ENTRY is still unclear. If you asked about it 1969 armed NASA people would show up Gestapo style and ask you to shut up. It was part of the show.

Of course no Apollo 11 was ever in space.
Did you actually read that document?  It contains the complete analytical solution.  All the equations and their derivatives fully describing how the reentry flow logic (software flow charts) were formulated. 

That document contains everything needed to calculate the Apollo Capsule reentry for any given reentry angle and velocity.   You don’t even try to refute it. 

I’ve come to the conclusion that you have no earthly idea what you’re talking about.  Your website has nothing to do with marine safety.  Almost the entire website is junk science and conspiracy theories. 

The worst part is that none of it is your own work.  You regurgitate and linked to other websites.  I handed you NASA’s complete analytical solution on a silver platter.  All you had to do was show their solution doesn’t work for any reentry angle and velocity.  However, you didn’t even read it.

Actually, I believe the real problem is that you don’t understand what you’re reading and have no idea how it works so you make up some crap ass excuses.  For instance, you say they’ve forgotten about gravity.  Well if you had actually read it you’d find gravity in the list of variables and can see which equations it’s used in.

You are a junk science conspiracy theory nut job who can’t even be bothered to do his own work.

Mike

I’ve also come to the conclusion that you have no earthly idea what you’re talking about. You sound like a NASA twerp. Dusting off 52 years old garbage, etc.

What really pisses me off is your talk about conspiracy theory.

It was a great show in the 1960's! Everyone believed it was real. Noone got hurt. It was fun. I really loved Valentina Tereshkova, the first female kosmopenguin. She was beautiful and fun.

And here you come and destroy the fun and suggest it was real. You are a real twerp.
I will readily admit that I couldn’t have derived those equations on my own.  But, I also know that after reviewing that document it is proof positive you are wrong.   With your supposed background in dynamic analysis, it should have been relatively simple for you to refute that document.  That fact that you didn’t even try just goes to show you have no idea what the equations mean.  Even though my supersonic fluid mechanics classes are more than twenty years behind me, I know I could work through those equations to provide exact solutions for various reentry conditions.  This also means you should be able to show the flaws in the calculations that make you right.  After all, if these equations work it’s proof you’re wrong.  That document is straight up math that either works or it doesn't.

You need to face up to the fact that when your assertions that manned space flight is impossible needs over two dozen countries to collude together to lie to the world, that is the dictionary definition of a conspiracy. 

When your theory that a-bombs are fake relies on all of the worlds nuclear powers to collude together to lie about their existence, that is the dictionary definition of a conspiracy.

How do you not see that for you to be right these conspiracies MUST exist?  Be as pissed as you want but all of your theories can't exist without the conspiracy behind them.  Your website is by definition a bunch of conspiracy theories and IMHO, based on junk science.  If you would actually refute NASA's equations and prove why they're wrong then you'd have something but you don't.  AAMOF, there isn't an original concept on your website.  Just work done by someone else. 

I was hoping we could have a technical based discussion between two engineers but I can see that ain’t happenin’.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: frenat on July 17, 2017, 05:21:12 AM
You haven't heard about a skip reentry? NASA has written several reports about it!
I describe it at http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm#RES
The Apollo 11 computer could calculate it in the 1960's. You don't need a Kerbal Space Program:
(http://heiwaco.com/apolentry1A.gif)
To land on Earth there are three phases: INITIAL ENTRY, UPCONTROL and  FINAL ENTRY.

It is like parking a car in a city! First you try to find a parking place, then you drive around for while and with luck you find an empty slot. Note that the drogue parachute is deployed at 20 000 m altitude and normal, main parachutes at 10 000 m altitude and that the end is an Impact!



You’ve posted a lot of conclusions but they’re based on assumptions.  And, that’s fine as long as you analytically verify your assumptions are correct.
 
How do you have any idea your conclusions are correct if you’ve never calculated the dynamics?  Answer this question and do not tell me to read you website.  I have and the answer to this question is not there.

Mike

Everything I publish at http://heiwaco.com is correct. If you find anything wrong, copy/paste it. If I do not publish something, it just means just that.

IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO CUT & PASTE WHAT ISN'T THERE. 

Provide us with the pitching moment, and the dynamic and static stability derivative calculations that support your assumptions and conclusions.  You had to have done them to know you are right so all I'm asking is to see them.  Do you have them?  Yes or No?

Mike
So, are you going to answer my question or not.  Yes or No.

Here’s my problem.  You’re making conclusions based on silly assumption and using other people’s conclusions and work.  You claim to be an engineer whose qualifications make fluid mechanics part of your job.  Therefore, the logical conclusion for those of us reading your website is that you performed the same calculations that NASA used, and that you can find in any text book on the subject.

This information is not on your website.  You’ve made claims that can only be tested analytically.  You make the claim that the vehicle will spin out of control and burn up.  In order to say that you had to have done the calculations.  Right?   

Will you provide your pitch and stability calculations that you used to prove reentry is impossible?  Yes or No?

Mike
Yes, I am an engineer and I have studied the motions of ships, incl. pitching, heaving, rolling, yawing, etc, and the associated forces and moments for several years. To design a ship you must know all the forces applied on the ship and then develop the design accordingly. I have done it many times. But my web site is about other matters. Safety!

Re spacecrafts arriving to the top of the atmosphere at 120 000 m altitude at >11 000 m/s speed from space, I can assure you that no forces and moments due to atmosphere will brake the spacecraft. There is no air up there. The spacecraft will thus continue another 2-4 seconds and later burn up during another 2-4 seconds.
Just watch the sky any night and observe all the meteorites being vaporized. It happens all the time.
As I say, only twerps believe in UFOs and green things piloting them, etc, etc; You sound like one.
You just keep up with the personal comments hoping against hope I'll address them instead of my question.  Very poor strawman.

In order to assure me of anything you have to have done the calculations.  Will you provide your pitch and stability calculations that you used to prove reentry is impossible and the craft will burn up?  Yes or No?

https://ia600501.us.archive.org/14/items/nasa_techdoc_19750065842/19750065842.pdf

Thanks. The 1965 planning document is about how land on Earth in three phases: INITIAL ENTRY, UPCONTROL and  FINAL ENTRY.

Unfortunatly the 1965 document does not explain what forces/moments, etc, are acting on the spacecraft duting the  INITIAL ENTRY in the upper atmosphere sending it back into space again - UPCONTROL - for a second attempt. It seems it is forgotten that Earth gravity acts on the spacecraft down all the time. What force could send it up?

Anyway, Apollo 11 1969 ignored the INITIAL ENTRY and UPCONTROL phases and went straight for FINAL ENTRY. How Apollo 11 found the location B up in the sky to start the FINAL ENTRY is still unclear. If you asked about it 1969 armed NASA people would show up Gestapo style and ask you to shut up. It was part of the show.

Of course no Apollo 11 was ever in space.
Did you actually read that document?  It contains the complete analytical solution.  All the equations and their derivatives fully describing how the reentry flow logic (software flow charts) were formulated. 

That document contains everything needed to calculate the Apollo Capsule reentry for any given reentry angle and velocity.   You don’t even try to refute it. 

I’ve come to the conclusion that you have no earthly idea what you’re talking about.  Your website has nothing to do with marine safety.  Almost the entire website is junk science and conspiracy theories. 

The worst part is that none of it is your own work.  You regurgitate and linked to other websites.  I handed you NASA’s complete analytical solution on a silver platter.  All you had to do was show their solution doesn’t work for any reentry angle and velocity.  However, you didn’t even read it.

Actually, I believe the real problem is that you don’t understand what you’re reading and have no idea how it works so you make up some crap ass excuses.  For instance, you say they’ve forgotten about gravity.  Well if you had actually read it you’d find gravity in the list of variables and can see which equations it’s used in.

You are a junk science conspiracy theory nut job who can’t even be bothered to do his own work.

Mike

I’ve also come to the conclusion that you have no earthly idea what you’re talking about. You sound like a NASA twerp. Dusting off 52 years old garbage, etc.

What really pisses me off is your talk about conspiracy theory.

It was a great show in the 1960's! Everyone believed it was real. Noone got hurt. It was fun. I really loved Valentina Tereshkova, the first female kosmopenguin. She was beautiful and fun.

And here you come and destroy the fun and suggest it was real. You are a real twerp.
Translation: I don't understand your objections so I'll throw around some more insults and hope nobody notices.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 17, 2017, 06:56:26 AM

I’ve also come to the conclusion that you have no earthly idea what you’re talking about. You sound like a NASA twerp. Dusting off 52 years old garbage, etc.

What really pisses me off is your talk about conspiracy theory.

It was a great show in the 1960's! Everyone believed it was real. Noone got hurt. It was fun. I really loved Valentina Tereshkova, the first female kosmopenguin. She was beautiful and fun.

And here you come and destroy the fun and suggest it was real. You are a real twerp.
I will readily admit that I couldn’t have derived those equations on my own.  But, I also know that after reviewing that document it is proof positive you are wrong.   With your supposed background in dynamic analysis, it should have been relatively simple for you to refute that document.  That fact that you didn’t even try just goes to show you have no idea what the equations mean.  Even though my supersonic fluid mechanics classes are more than twenty years behind me, I know I could work through those equations to provide exact solutions for various reentry conditions.  This also means you should be able to show the flaws in the calculations that make you right.  After all, if these equations work it’s proof you’re wrong.  That document is straight up math that either works or it doesn't.

You need to face up to the fact that when your assertions that manned space flight is impossible needs over two dozen countries to collude together to lie to the world, that is the dictionary definition of a conspiracy. 

When your theory that a-bombs are fake relies on all of the worlds nuclear powers to collude together to lie about their existence, that is the dictionary definition of a conspiracy.

How do you not see that for you to be right these conspiracies MUST exist?  Be as pissed as you want but all of your theories can't exist without the conspiracy behind them.  Your website is by definition a bunch of conspiracy theories and IMHO, based on junk science.  If you would actually refute NASA's equations and prove why they're wrong then you'd have something but you don't.  AAMOF, there isn't an original concept on your website.  Just work done by someone else. 

I was hoping we could have a technical based discussion between two engineers but I can see that ain’t happenin’.

Mike

Well - I cannot copy/paste from https://ia600501.us.archive.org/14/items/nasa_techdoc_19750065842/19750065842.pdf but all equations in the appendices are complete nonsense. Of course reference 1 is confidential. Why should a scientific paper about spacecraft reentry and landing be confidential?

You are right that space organizations of two dozen countries led by USA and Russia have a secret understanding to promote fake human space travel and similar projects. Just look at the chiefs in charge and their 'experts'. They are just clowns and jokers. I think I show it quite clearly at my website.

Re a-bombs again a limited number of countries have a similar secret agreement to promote their useless nuclear weapons to scare the shit out of normal people. Again I show it quite clearly at my website.

But it is not a conspiracy to have strange secret agreements about space travel and nuclear wars. By US laws it is illegal to make reference to these secret agreements so MSM must trumpet that space travel is easy and a-bombs are very good.

911 is different. It is in my opinion criminal to suggest that a top C of a structure can crush bottom A of same structure by gravity, where A keeps C statically in place, before the interface A/C is damaged, so that C can drop a short distance on A to crush A, etc. C crushes itself at the end. I am quite impressed how particular US interests managed to convince NIST, ASCE and American Architects, etc, to play along that all buildings in the world are incorrectly built so that tops C can crush bottoms A ... by gravity.

Anyway, according to an axiom named after me C cannot crush A.

POTUS Donald & wife III last week had a 3* dinner in the Eiffel tower, Paris. According NIST, ASCE, etc. the weak top could have dropped down any time and spoilt the pleasure. Sorry, I forgot ... it is only in USA C can crush A by gravity.

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 17, 2017, 07:30:03 AM

I’ve also come to the conclusion that you have no earthly idea what you’re talking about. You sound like a NASA twerp. Dusting off 52 years old garbage, etc.

What really pisses me off is your talk about conspiracy theory.

It was a great show in the 1960's! Everyone believed it was real. Noone got hurt. It was fun. I really loved Valentina Tereshkova, the first female kosmopenguin. She was beautiful and fun.

And here you come and destroy the fun and suggest it was real. You are a real twerp.
I will readily admit that I couldn’t have derived those equations on my own.  But, I also know that after reviewing that document it is proof positive you are wrong.   With your supposed background in dynamic analysis, it should have been relatively simple for you to refute that document.  That fact that you didn’t even try just goes to show you have no idea what the equations mean.  Even though my supersonic fluid mechanics classes are more than twenty years behind me, I know I could work through those equations to provide exact solutions for various reentry conditions.  This also means you should be able to show the flaws in the calculations that make you right.  After all, if these equations work it’s proof you’re wrong.  That document is straight up math that either works or it doesn't.

You need to face up to the fact that when your assertions that manned space flight is impossible needs over two dozen countries to collude together to lie to the world, that is the dictionary definition of a conspiracy. 

When your theory that a-bombs are fake relies on all of the worlds nuclear powers to collude together to lie about their existence, that is the dictionary definition of a conspiracy.

How do you not see that for you to be right these conspiracies MUST exist?  Be as pissed as you want but all of your theories can't exist without the conspiracy behind them.  Your website is by definition a bunch of conspiracy theories and IMHO, based on junk science.  If you would actually refute NASA's equations and prove why they're wrong then you'd have something but you don't.  AAMOF, there isn't an original concept on your website.  Just work done by someone else. 

I was hoping we could have a technical based discussion between two engineers but I can see that ain’t happenin’.

Mike

Well - I cannot copy/paste from https://ia600501.us.archive.org/14/items/nasa_techdoc_19750065842/19750065842.pdf but all equations in the appendices are complete nonsense. Of course reference 1 is confidential. Why should a scientific paper about spacecraft reentry and landing be confidential?

You are right that space organizations of two dozen countries led by USA and Russia have a secret understanding to promote fake human space travel and similar projects. Just look at the chiefs in charge and their 'experts'. They are just clowns and jokers. I think I show it quite clearly at my website.

Re a-bombs again a limited number of countries have a similar secret agreement to promote their useless nuclear weapons to scare the shit out of normal people. Again I show it quite clearly at my website.

But it is not a conspiracy to have strange secret agreements about space travel and nuclear wars. By US laws it is illegal to make reference to these secret agreements so MSM must trumpet that space travel is easy and a-bombs are very good.

911 is different. It is in my opinion criminal to suggest that a top C of a structure can crush bottom A of same structure by gravity, where A keeps C statically in place, before the interface A/C is damaged, so that C can drop a short distance on A to crush A, etc. C crushes itself at the end. I am quite impressed how particular US interests managed to convince NIST, ASCE and American Architects, etc, to play along that all buildings in the world are incorrectly built so that tops C can crush bottoms A ... by gravity.

Anyway, according to an axiom named after me C cannot crush A.

POTUS Donald & wife III last week had a 3* dinner in the Eiffel tower, Paris. According NIST, ASCE, etc. the weak top could have dropped down any time and spoilt the pleasure. Sorry, I forgot ... it is only in USA C can crush A by gravity.
The MIT document is no longer classified and is available online...which just goes to prove you didn’t even try to look.  You don’t need anything from NASA today because nearly everything from the Apollo era has been released and archived online.  But, you didn’t know that did you?  Just goes to show how poorly you’ve researched manned space flight.  Or, I should say you haven’t researched at all.

https://www.ibiblio.org/apollo/Documents/R477-AS202-GSOP-Rev2.pdf

Stop with the junk science claims and PROVE IT.  Show me what is nonsense about the equations.  I’ve reviewed them and they are solid.  If you can’t do that then you have nothing but tin foil hat junk science and conspiracy theories to fall back on.  Do your own investigation for a change.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 17, 2017, 08:05:53 AM


Well - I cannot copy/paste from https://ia600501.us.archive.org/14/items/nasa_techdoc_19750065842/19750065842.pdf but all equations in the appendices are complete nonsense. Of course reference 1 is confidential. Why should a scientific paper about spacecraft reentry and landing be confidential?

You are right that space organizations of two dozen countries led by USA and Russia have a secret understanding to promote fake human space travel and similar projects. Just look at the chiefs in charge and their 'experts'. They are just clowns and jokers. I think I show it quite clearly at my website.

Re a-bombs again a limited number of countries have a similar secret agreement to promote their useless nuclear weapons to scare the shit out of normal people. Again I show it quite clearly at my website.

But it is not a conspiracy to have strange secret agreements about space travel and nuclear wars. By US laws it is illegal to make reference to these secret agreements so MSM must trumpet that space travel is easy and a-bombs are very good.

911 is different. It is in my opinion criminal to suggest that a top C of a structure can crush bottom A of same structure by gravity, where A keeps C statically in place, before the interface A/C is damaged, so that C can drop a short distance on A to crush A, etc. C crushes itself at the end. I am quite impressed how particular US interests managed to convince NIST, ASCE and American Architects, etc, to play along that all buildings in the world are incorrectly built so that tops C can crush bottoms A ... by gravity.

Anyway, according to an axiom named after me C cannot crush A.

POTUS Donald & wife III last week had a 3* dinner in the Eiffel tower, Paris. According NIST, ASCE, etc. the weak top could have dropped down any time and spoilt the pleasure. Sorry, I forgot ... it is only in USA C can crush A by gravity.
The MIT document is no longer classified and is available online...which just goes to prove you didn’t even try to look.  You don’t need anything from NASA today because nearly everything from the Apollo era has been released and archived online.  But, you didn’t know that did you?  Just goes to show how poorly you’ve researched manned space flight.  Or, I should say you haven’t researched at all.

https://www.ibiblio.org/apollo/Documents/R477-AS202-GSOP-Rev2.pdf

Stop with the junk science claims and PROVE IT.  Show me what is nonsense about the equations.  I’ve reviewed them and they are solid.  If you can’t do that then you have nothing but tin foil hat junk science and conspiracy theories to fall back on.  Do your own investigation for a change.

Mike

Well, I link to plenty NASA documents/webpages at my site, so I don't know why you say I don't know NASA. Some years back NASA couldn't pay their web servers and all my NASA links were dead.

Of course I do my own research, investigations and calculations before publication, so I am source of unique info.

Just copy/paste what you think I have not got right. I do not publish junk. Why would I?

The original purpose of my web site http://heiwaco.com was to promote my 1997 IMO approved oil tanker design (and to earn money) and to publish 1998 my findings about the M/S Estonia incident 1994. Another purpose was to promote peace (heiwa in Japanese) on Earth.

In both cases the reactions were surprising. Governments and learned institutions suddenly called me an unreasonable, unscientific idiot, etc, etc.

At that time I met E who supported me 100%. E was a refugée from Eastgermany. And then 2001 the whole WTC/NY complex was destroyed by some Arabs incl. Egyptians. E and I watched the re-plays on TV at our house at Freiberg i.Sa.. E just laughed. It couldn't physically happen.

And me, having worked in Egypt since 1981 with people knowing distantly the daddy of son Mr. Atta (the head of the 911 terrorists) agreed. It so happened that E's daddy had helped Stalin to build a communist a-bomb 1949, small world, and E hinted that Stalin had faked it. I investigated ... and found that E was right.

And there we are. No conspiracy. I just happen to move around learning a lot and meeting people. You sound like a person who has just seen the ears of your donkey.







 

Title: Re: nd
Post by: Twerp on July 17, 2017, 08:28:27 AM


Well - I cannot copy/paste from https://ia600501.us.archive.org/14/items/nasa_techdoc_19750065842/19750065842.pdf but all equations in the appendices are complete nonsense. Of course reference 1 is confidential. Why should a scientific paper about spacecraft reentry and landing be confidential?

You are right that space organizations of two dozen countries led by USA and Russia have a secret understanding to promote fake human space travel and similar projects. Just look at the chiefs in charge and their 'experts'. They are just clowns and jokers. I think I show it quite clearly at my website.

Re a-bombs again a limited number of countries have a similar secret agreement to promote their useless nuclear weapons to scare the shit out of normal people. Again I show it quite clearly at my website.

But it is not a conspiracy to have strange secret agreements about space travel and nuclear wars. By US laws it is illegal to make reference to these secret agreements so MSM must trumpet that space travel is easy and a-bombs are very good.

911 is different. It is in my opinion criminal to suggest that a top C of a structure can crush bottom A of same structure by gravity, where A keeps C statically in place, before the interface A/C is damaged, so that C can drop a short distance on A to crush A, etc. C crushes itself at the end. I am quite impressed how particular US interests managed to convince NIST, ASCE and American Architects, etc, to play along that all buildings in the world are incorrectly built so that tops C can crush bottoms A ... by gravity.

Anyway, according to an axiom named after me C cannot crush A.

POTUS Donald & wife III last week had a 3* dinner in the Eiffel tower, Paris. According NIST, ASCE, etc. the weak top could have dropped down any time and spoilt the pleasure. Sorry, I forgot ... it is only in USA C can crush A by gravity.
The MIT document is no longer classified and is available online...which just goes to prove you didn’t even try to look.  You don’t need anything from NASA today because nearly everything from the Apollo era has been released and archived online.  But, you didn’t know that did you?  Just goes to show how poorly you’ve researched manned space flight.  Or, I should say you haven’t researched at all.

https://www.ibiblio.org/apollo/Documents/R477-AS202-GSOP-Rev2.pdf

Stop with the junk science claims and PROVE IT.  Show me what is nonsense about the equations.  I’ve reviewed them and they are solid.  If you can’t do that then you have nothing but tin foil hat junk science and conspiracy theories to fall back on.  Do your own investigation for a change.

Mike

Well, I link to plenty NASA documents/webpages at my site, so I don't know why you say I don't know NASA. Some years back NASA couldn't pay their web servers and all my NASA links were dead.

Of course I do my own research, investigations and calculations before publication, so I am source of unique info.

Just copy/paste what you think I have not got right. I do not publish junk. Why would I?

The original purpose of my web site http://heiwaco.com was to promote my 1997 IMO approved oil tanker design (and to earn money) and to publish 1998 my findings about the M/S Estonia incident 1994. Another purpose was to promote peace (heiwa in Japanese) on Earth.

In both cases the reactions were surprising. Governments and learned institutions suddenly called me an unreasonable, unscientific idiot, etc, etc.

At that time I met E who supported me 100%. E was a refugée from Eastgermany. And then 2001 the whole WTC/NY complex was destroyed by some Arabs incl. Egyptians. E and I watched the re-plays on TV at our house at Freiberg i.Sa.. E just laughed. It couldn't physically happen.

And me, having worked in Egypt since 1981 with people knowing distantly the daddy of son Mr. Atta (the head of the 911 terrorists) agreed. It so happened that E's daddy had helped Stalin to build a communist a-bomb 1949, small world, and E hinted that Stalin had faked it. I investigated ... and found that E was right.

And there we are. No conspiracy. I just happen to move around learning a lot and meeting people. You sound like a person who has just seen the ears of your donkey.

Actually, he seems like a person who is a lot more knowledgeable and professional than you.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 17, 2017, 08:58:49 AM


Well - I cannot copy/paste from https://ia600501.us.archive.org/14/items/nasa_techdoc_19750065842/19750065842.pdf but all equations in the appendices are complete nonsense. Of course reference 1 is confidential. Why should a scientific paper about spacecraft reentry and landing be confidential?

You are right that space organizations of two dozen countries led by USA and Russia have a secret understanding to promote fake human space travel and similar projects. Just look at the chiefs in charge and their 'experts'. They are just clowns and jokers. I think I show it quite clearly at my website.

Re a-bombs again a limited number of countries have a similar secret agreement to promote their useless nuclear weapons to scare the shit out of normal people. Again I show it quite clearly at my website.

But it is not a conspiracy to have strange secret agreements about space travel and nuclear wars. By US laws it is illegal to make reference to these secret agreements so MSM must trumpet that space travel is easy and a-bombs are very good.

911 is different. It is in my opinion criminal to suggest that a top C of a structure can crush bottom A of same structure by gravity, where A keeps C statically in place, before the interface A/C is damaged, so that C can drop a short distance on A to crush A, etc. C crushes itself at the end. I am quite impressed how particular US interests managed to convince NIST, ASCE and American Architects, etc, to play along that all buildings in the world are incorrectly built so that tops C can crush bottoms A ... by gravity.

Anyway, according to an axiom named after me C cannot crush A.

POTUS Donald & wife III last week had a 3* dinner in the Eiffel tower, Paris. According NIST, ASCE, etc. the weak top could have dropped down any time and spoilt the pleasure. Sorry, I forgot ... it is only in USA C can crush A by gravity.
The MIT document is no longer classified and is available online...which just goes to prove you didn’t even try to look.  You don’t need anything from NASA today because nearly everything from the Apollo era has been released and archived online.  But, you didn’t know that did you?  Just goes to show how poorly you’ve researched manned space flight.  Or, I should say you haven’t researched at all.

https://www.ibiblio.org/apollo/Documents/R477-AS202-GSOP-Rev2.pdf

Stop with the junk science claims and PROVE IT.  Show me what is nonsense about the equations.  I’ve reviewed them and they are solid.  If you can’t do that then you have nothing but tin foil hat junk science and conspiracy theories to fall back on.  Do your own investigation for a change.

Mike

Well, I link to plenty NASA documents/webpages at my site, so I don't know why you say I don't know NASA. Some years back NASA couldn't pay their web servers and all my NASA links were dead.

Of course I do my own research, investigations and calculations before publication, so I am source of unique info.

Just copy/paste what you think I have not got right. I do not publish junk. Why would I?

The original purpose of my web site http://heiwaco.com was to promote my 1997 IMO approved oil tanker design (and to earn money) and to publish 1998 my findings about the M/S Estonia incident 1994. Another purpose was to promote peace (heiwa in Japanese) on Earth.

In both cases the reactions were surprising. Governments and learned institutions suddenly called me an unreasonable, unscientific idiot, etc, etc.

At that time I met E who supported me 100%. E was a refugée from Eastgermany. And then 2001 the whole WTC/NY complex was destroyed by some Arabs incl. Egyptians. E and I watched the re-plays on TV at our house at Freiberg i.Sa.. E just laughed. It couldn't physically happen.

And me, having worked in Egypt since 1981 with people knowing distantly the daddy of son Mr. Atta (the head of the 911 terrorists) agreed. It so happened that E's daddy had helped Stalin to build a communist a-bomb 1949, small world, and E hinted that Stalin had faked it. I investigated ... and found that E was right.

And there we are. No conspiracy. I just happen to move around learning a lot and meeting people. You sound like a person who has just seen the ears of your donkey.

Actually, he seems like a person who is a lot more knowledgeable and professional than you.
Well, he sent me a document from 1965 suggesting I had misunderstood something ... but I couldn't copy paste anything of that nonsense. I don't know who he was or if he is more knowledgeable and professional than I.

My CV is at http://heiwaco.com/cv.htm .

Ask me for a quote and you'll find you cannot afford my paid services.
Title: Re: nd
Post by: MicroBeta on July 17, 2017, 09:01:48 AM
Well, I link to plenty NASA documents/webpages at my site, so I don't know why you say I don't know NASA. Some years back NASA couldn't pay their web servers and all my NASA links were dead.

Of course I do my own research, investigations and calculations before publication, so I am source of unique info.

Just copy/paste what you think I have not got right. I do not publish junk. Why would I?

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You just can’t stop with the name calling can you?  Oh well.

I said it before, I CAN’T CUT & PASTE WHAT DOESN’T EXIST.

You said you do all your “own research, investigations and calculations”.  To make the claim that a craft would spin and burn up on reentry you had to have the calculations that prove that statement. 

1.   I’m asking again for those calculations.  Specifically, the pitch and stability calculations as they would be the calculations needed to support your claim. 
2.   As to the NASA/MIT documents I linked you to.  As near as I can tell the equations are correct and support the flow logic diagrams that follow the equations.  You say they are nonsense.  What is incorrect about them? 

You completely ignored my previous requests for this info and are very likely going to ignore it again.  The information for these two questions is not on your website.  Answer them here.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 17, 2017, 09:35:49 AM

1.   I’m asking again for those calculations.  Specifically, the pitch and stability calculations as they would be the calculations needed to support your claim. ...

You completely ignored my previous requests for this info and are very likely going to ignore it again.  The information for these two questions is not on your website.  Answer them here.

Mike

But I have replied. The information is at my website. When the spacecraft (Apollo 11) arrives at 120 000 m altitude at >11 000 m/s speed, there is no air there. So pitch and stability calculations are not required. You just continue ... and are destroyed 10 seconds later. But no ...
NASA says the Apollo 11 dips down to 70 000 m altitude and then bounces up again, bla, bla.
The astronuts aboard do not have to do anything. All is automatic! A 1969 onboard computer steers the spacecraft towards the target (POTUS D. Nixon).
Pls study http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm again. It is so funny.
Title: Re: nd
Post by: Twerp on July 17, 2017, 10:09:43 AM


Well - I cannot copy/paste from https://ia600501.us.archive.org/14/items/nasa_techdoc_19750065842/19750065842.pdf but all equations in the appendices are complete nonsense. Of course reference 1 is confidential. Why should a scientific paper about spacecraft reentry and landing be confidential?

You are right that space organizations of two dozen countries led by USA and Russia have a secret understanding to promote fake human space travel and similar projects. Just look at the chiefs in charge and their 'experts'. They are just clowns and jokers. I think I show it quite clearly at my website.

Re a-bombs again a limited number of countries have a similar secret agreement to promote their useless nuclear weapons to scare the shit out of normal people. Again I show it quite clearly at my website.

But it is not a conspiracy to have strange secret agreements about space travel and nuclear wars. By US laws it is illegal to make reference to these secret agreements so MSM must trumpet that space travel is easy and a-bombs are very good.

911 is different. It is in my opinion criminal to suggest that a top C of a structure can crush bottom A of same structure by gravity, where A keeps C statically in place, before the interface A/C is damaged, so that C can drop a short distance on A to crush A, etc. C crushes itself at the end. I am quite impressed how particular US interests managed to convince NIST, ASCE and American Architects, etc, to play along that all buildings in the world are incorrectly built so that tops C can crush bottoms A ... by gravity.

Anyway, according to an axiom named after me C cannot crush A.

POTUS Donald & wife III last week had a 3* dinner in the Eiffel tower, Paris. According NIST, ASCE, etc. the weak top could have dropped down any time and spoilt the pleasure. Sorry, I forgot ... it is only in USA C can crush A by gravity.
The MIT document is no longer classified and is available online...which just goes to prove you didn’t even try to look.  You don’t need anything from NASA today because nearly everything from the Apollo era has been released and archived online.  But, you didn’t know that did you?  Just goes to show how poorly you’ve researched manned space flight.  Or, I should say you haven’t researched at all.

https://www.ibiblio.org/apollo/Documents/R477-AS202-GSOP-Rev2.pdf

Stop with the junk science claims and PROVE IT.  Show me what is nonsense about the equations.  I’ve reviewed them and they are solid.  If you can’t do that then you have nothing but tin foil hat junk science and conspiracy theories to fall back on.  Do your own investigation for a change.

Mike

Well, I link to plenty NASA documents/webpages at my site, so I don't know why you say I don't know NASA. Some years back NASA couldn't pay their web servers and all my NASA links were dead.

Of course I do my own research, investigations and calculations before publication, so I am source of unique info.

Just copy/paste what you think I have not got right. I do not publish junk. Why would I?

The original purpose of my web site http://heiwaco.com was to promote my 1997 IMO approved oil tanker design (and to earn money) and to publish 1998 my findings about the M/S Estonia incident 1994. Another purpose was to promote peace (heiwa in Japanese) on Earth.

In both cases the reactions were surprising. Governments and learned institutions suddenly called me an unreasonable, unscientific idiot, etc, etc.

At that time I met E who supported me 100%. E was a refugée from Eastgermany. And then 2001 the whole WTC/NY complex was destroyed by some Arabs incl. Egyptians. E and I watched the re-plays on TV at our house at Freiberg i.Sa.. E just laughed. It couldn't physically happen.

And me, having worked in Egypt since 1981 with people knowing distantly the daddy of son Mr. Atta (the head of the 911 terrorists) agreed. It so happened that E's daddy had helped Stalin to build a communist a-bomb 1949, small world, and E hinted that Stalin had faked it. I investigated ... and found that E was right.

And there we are. No conspiracy. I just happen to move around learning a lot and meeting people. You sound like a person who has just seen the ears of your donkey.

Actually, he seems like a person who is a lot more knowledgeable and professional than you.
Well, he sent me a document from 1965 suggesting I had misunderstood something ... but I couldn't copy paste anything of that nonsense. I don't know who he was or if he is more knowledgeable and professional than I.

My CV is at http://heiwaco.com/cv.htm .

Ask me for a quote and you'll find you cannot afford my paid services.

Ha ha ha! From what I've seen I would sooner hire Binky the Clown!
Title: Re: nd
Post by: MicroBeta on July 17, 2017, 10:38:25 AM

1.   I’m asking again for those calculations.  Specifically, the pitch and stability calculations as they would be the calculations needed to support your claim. ...

You completely ignored my previous requests for this info and are very likely going to ignore it again.  The information for these two questions is not on your website.  Answer them here.

Mike

But I have replied. The information is at my website. When the spacecraft (Apollo 11) arrives at 120 000 m altitude at >11 000 m/s speed, there is no air there. So pitch and stability calculations are not required. You just continue ... and are destroyed 10 seconds later. But no ...
NASA says the Apollo 11 dips down to 70 000 m altitude and then bounces up again, bla, bla.
The astronuts aboard do not have to do anything. All is automatic! A 1969 onboard computer steers the spacecraft towards the target (POTUS D. Nixon).
Pls study http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm again. It is so funny.
Since there is not a single equation on your website showing why a space capsule becomes unstable you don’t have a leg to stand on.  You can’t back up your conclusion that a space craft cannot reenter the atmosphere.  You refuse to show why NASA’s equations are nonsense.

One can only conclude that your website is a conspiracy theory based on junk science...and not even your own science.  As near as I can tell you have just reproduced other people’s work with your own flawed assumptions from which you make erroneous conclusions. You have yet to make a single cogent argument.

I see you are unable to answer my second question so you just removed it and hope it goes away.  Not gonna happen.

As to the NASA/MIT documents I linked you to.  You say they are nonsense.  Show me why they won’t work?

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 17, 2017, 11:00:49 AM

Since there is not a single equation on your website showing why a space capsule becomes unstable you don’t have a leg to stand on.  You can’t back up your conclusion that a space craft cannot reenter the atmosphere.  You refuse to show why NASA’s equations are nonsense.

One can only conclude that your website is a conspiracy theory based on junk science...and not even your own science.  As near as I can tell you have just reproduced other people’s work with your own flawed assumptions from which you make erroneous conclusions. You have yet to make a single cogent argument.

I see you are unable to answer my second question so you just removed it and hope it goes away.  Not gonna happen.

As to the NASA/MIT documents I linked you to.  You say they are nonsense.  Show me why they won’t work?

Mike
You are right that my website is not perfect with equations of all sorts, bla, bla, bla. But it explains perfectly why spacecrafts cannot return from space, stop and land. Gravity is too strong.

And only twerps suggest that I am in the conspiracy business. I am in the safety at sea business. Based on real science!And all my work is my own. I do not copy/paste anyone.

You sound like an unhappy exNASA twerp. Did they stop paying you a pension. Why do you go on posting your stupid comments?
Title: Re: nd
Post by: Badxtoss on July 17, 2017, 11:34:24 AM

1.   I’m asking again for those calculations.  Specifically, the pitch and stability calculations as they would be the calculations needed to support your claim. ...

You completely ignored my previous requests for this info and are very likely going to ignore it again.  The information for these two questions is not on your website.  Answer them here.

Mike

But I have replied. The information is at my website. When the spacecraft (Apollo 11) arrives at 120 000 m altitude at >11 000 m/s speed, there is no air there. So pitch and stability calculations are not required. You just continue ... and are destroyed 10 seconds later. But no ...
NASA says the Apollo 11 dips down to 70 000 m altitude and then bounces up again, bla, bla.
The astronuts aboard do not have to do anything. All is automatic! A 1969 onboard computer steers the spacecraft towards the target (POTUS D. Nixon).
Pls study http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm again. It is so funny.
Since there is not a single equation on your website showing why a space capsule becomes unstable you don’t have a leg to stand on.  You can’t back up your conclusion that a space craft cannot reenter the atmosphere.  You refuse to show why NASA’s equations are nonsense.

One can only conclude that your website is a conspiracy theory based on junk science...and not even your own science.  As near as I can tell you have just reproduced other people’s work with your own flawed assumptions from which you make erroneous conclusions. You have yet to make a single cogent argument.

I see you are unable to answer my second question so you just removed it and hope it goes away.  Not gonna happen.

As to the NASA/MIT documents I linked you to.  You say they are nonsense.  Show me why they won’t work?

Mike
You have done maybe the best job of showing Heiwa for what he is but you certainly aren't the first to try.  It was a truly noble effort and I applaud your work on this.
But heiwa is a level one moron and the Dunning Kruger effect is strong in this one.
Still, some really nice info.  Stuff like that is the main reason I come here.
Thanks
Title: Re: nd
Post by: MicroBeta on July 17, 2017, 12:45:27 PM

1.   I’m asking again for those calculations.  Specifically, the pitch and stability calculations as they would be the calculations needed to support your claim. ...

You completely ignored my previous requests for this info and are very likely going to ignore it again.  The information for these two questions is not on your website.  Answer them here.

Mike

But I have replied. The information is at my website. When the spacecraft (Apollo 11) arrives at 120 000 m altitude at >11 000 m/s speed, there is no air there. So pitch and stability calculations are not required. You just continue ... and are destroyed 10 seconds later. But no ...
NASA says the Apollo 11 dips down to 70 000 m altitude and then bounces up again, bla, bla.
The astronuts aboard do not have to do anything. All is automatic! A 1969 onboard computer steers the spacecraft towards the target (POTUS D. Nixon).
Pls study http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm again. It is so funny.
Since there is not a single equation on your website showing why a space capsule becomes unstable you don’t have a leg to stand on.  You can’t back up your conclusion that a space craft cannot reenter the atmosphere.  You refuse to show why NASA’s equations are nonsense.

One can only conclude that your website is a conspiracy theory based on junk science...and not even your own science.  As near as I can tell you have just reproduced other people’s work with your own flawed assumptions from which you make erroneous conclusions. You have yet to make a single cogent argument.

I see you are unable to answer my second question so you just removed it and hope it goes away.  Not gonna happen.

As to the NASA/MIT documents I linked you to.  You say they are nonsense.  Show me why they won’t work?

Mike
You have done maybe the best job of showing Heiwa for what he is but you certainly aren't the first to try.  It was a truly noble effort and I applaud your work on this.
But heiwa is a level one moron and the Dunning Kruger effect is strong in this one.
Still, some really nice info.  Stuff like that is the main reason I come here.
Thanks
Thanks.  But, not quite done yet.

Mike
Title: Re: nd
Post by: MicroBeta on July 17, 2017, 01:05:10 PM

Since there is not a single equation on your website showing why a space capsule becomes unstable you don’t have a leg to stand on.  You can’t back up your conclusion that a space craft cannot reenter the atmosphere.  You refuse to show why NASA’s equations are nonsense.

One can only conclude that your website is a conspiracy theory based on junk science...and not even your own science.  As near as I can tell you have just reproduced other people’s work with your own flawed assumptions from which you make erroneous conclusions. You have yet to make a single cogent argument.

I see you are unable to answer my second question so you just removed it and hope it goes away.  Not gonna happen.

As to the NASA/MIT documents I linked you to.  You say they are nonsense.  Show me why they won’t work?

Mike
You are right that my website is not perfect with equations of all sorts, bla, bla, bla. But it explains perfectly why spacecrafts cannot return from space, stop and land. Gravity is too strong.

And only twerps suggest that I am in the conspiracy business. I am in the safety at sea business. Based on real science!And all my work is my own. I do not copy/paste anyone.

You sound like an unhappy exNASA twerp. Did they stop paying you a pension. Why do you go on posting your stupid comments?
 
Nope.  Never worked for NASA.  I would have liked to though.  I work for Electric Boat.

Almost none of the work on your site is yours.  It’s nearly identical to many other sites.  Not that it matters.  You’ve made your own erroneous assumptions and attempted to apply them to your overly simplified approach.

The interesting part is you’ve once addressed the actual equations that every NASA engineer, every university professor, and every aeronautical engineering student has used to calculate reentry.  If you believed their equations, their theory, and their algorithms were fake you would have to exposed NASA.  Yet, you didn’t even try.  What are you afraid of?  Why won’t you answer my question?  It should be rather simple.  What is wrong the equations in the NASA document I linked?  Or, are you going to ignore my question again.

Mike
Title: Re: nd
Post by: Twerp on July 17, 2017, 01:10:15 PM
You are right that my website is not perfect with equations of all sorts, bla, bla, bla. But it explains perfectly why spacecrafts cannot return from space, stop and land. Gravity is too strong.

Who needs equations? Pesky things! It's much easier to simply state something as fact and call anyone who disagrees a twerp twirp!

Here is my latest challenge! I will give you 1M€ if you can prove that we're all a bunch of twerps! When you fail we'll all have a good laugh!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 17, 2017, 02:10:52 PM

Since there is not a single equation on your website showing why a space capsule becomes unstable you don’t have a leg to stand on.  You can’t back up your conclusion that a space craft cannot reenter the atmosphere.  You refuse to show why NASA’s equations are nonsense.

One can only conclude that your website is a conspiracy theory based on junk science...and not even your own science.  As near as I can tell you have just reproduced other people’s work with your own flawed assumptions from which you make erroneous conclusions. You have yet to make a single cogent argument.

I see you are unable to answer my second question so you just removed it and hope it goes away.  Not gonna happen.

As to the NASA/MIT documents I linked you to.  You say they are nonsense.  Show me why they won’t work?

Mike
You are right that my website is not perfect with equations of all sorts, bla, bla, bla. But it explains perfectly why spacecrafts cannot return from space, stop and land. Gravity is too strong.

And only twerps suggest that I am in the conspiracy business. I am in the safety at sea business. Based on real science!And all my work is my own. I do not copy/paste anyone.

You sound like an unhappy exNASA twerp. Did they stop paying you a pension. Why do you go on posting your stupid comments?
 
Nope.  Never worked for NASA.  I would have liked to though.  I work for Electric Boat.

Almost none of the work on your site is yours.  It’s nearly identical to many other sites.  Not that it matters.  You’ve made your own erroneous assumptions and attempted to apply them to your overly simplified approach.

The interesting part is you’ve once addressed the actual equations that every NASA engineer, every university professor, and every aeronautical engineering student has used to calculate reentry.  If you believed their equations, their theory, and their algorithms were fake you would have to exposed NASA.  Yet, you didn’t even try.  What are you afraid of?  Why won’t you answer my question?  It should be rather simple.  What is wrong the equations in the NASA document I linked?  Or, are you going to ignore my question again.

Mike

Sorry, I am the author of 100% of the content ot my website. When I quote others it is obvious. Why do you suggest the opposite?

I have read a few texts about reentries. The 1965 NASA document you link to (pdf) is 100% nonsense like all the rest. It doesn't explain anything. It is a joke. Why do you link to such garbage? Are you mentally ill? Are you too poor to pay a doctor?

To win my Challenge, apart from calculating fuel required for the trips, you must explain the reentry at the end of the trips. According to the document you linked to the Apollo 11 reentry was done 100% automatic by some 1969 computer/software/autopilot. All details are confidential. You say they are not. So just copy paste info of the 1969 computer/software/autopilot that assisted Apollo 11 to land.

I assume it is of the same high standard like the Apollo 11 sanitary system I describe at my site. http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm (i.e. piss in a hose, open a valve and eject it overboard. Sorry, via a filter).

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: onebigmonkey on July 17, 2017, 02:19:51 PM
https://github.com/chrislgarry/Apollo-11/tree/master/Comanche055

The values entered into the AGC are available in the mission transcripts.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 17, 2017, 03:11:41 PM

Since there is not a single equation on your website showing why a space capsule becomes unstable you don’t have a leg to stand on.  You can’t back up your conclusion that a space craft cannot reenter the atmosphere.  You refuse to show why NASA’s equations are nonsense.

One can only conclude that your website is a conspiracy theory based on junk science...and not even your own science.  As near as I can tell you have just reproduced other people’s work with your own flawed assumptions from which you make erroneous conclusions. You have yet to make a single cogent argument.

I see you are unable to answer my second question so you just removed it and hope it goes away.  Not gonna happen.

As to the NASA/MIT documents I linked you to.  You say they are nonsense.  Show me why they won’t work?

Mike
You are right that my website is not perfect with equations of all sorts, bla, bla, bla. But it explains perfectly why spacecrafts cannot return from space, stop and land. Gravity is too strong.

And only twerps suggest that I am in the conspiracy business. I am in the safety at sea business. Based on real science!And all my work is my own. I do not copy/paste anyone.

You sound like an unhappy exNASA twerp. Did they stop paying you a pension. Why do you go on posting your stupid comments?
 
Nope.  Never worked for NASA.  I would have liked to though.  I work for Electric Boat.

Almost none of the work on your site is yours.  It’s nearly identical to many other sites.  Not that it matters.  You’ve made your own erroneous assumptions and attempted to apply them to your overly simplified approach.

The interesting part is you’ve once addressed the actual equations that every NASA engineer, every university professor, and every aeronautical engineering student has used to calculate reentry.  If you believed their equations, their theory, and their algorithms were fake you would have to exposed NASA.  Yet, you didn’t even try.  What are you afraid of?  Why won’t you answer my question?  It should be rather simple.  What is wrong the equations in the NASA document I linked?  Or, are you going to ignore my question again.

Mike

Sorry, I am the author of 100% of the content ot my website. When I quote others it is obvious. Why do you suggest the opposite?

I have read a few texts about reentries. The 1965 NASA document you link to (pdf) is 100% nonsense like all the rest. It doesn't explain anything. It is a joke. Why do you link to such garbage? Are you mentally ill? Are you too poor to pay a doctor?

To win my Challenge, apart from calculating fuel required for the trips, you must explain the reentry at the end of the trips. According to the document you linked to the Apollo 11 reentry was done 100% automatic by some 1969 computer/software/autopilot. All details are confidential. You say they are not. So just copy paste info of the 1969 computer/software/autopilot that assisted Apollo 11 to land.

I assume it is of the same high standard like the Apollo 11 sanitary system I describe at my site. http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm (i.e. piss in a hose, open a valve and eject it overboard. Sorry, via a filter).
What do you mean the 1965 NASA never explains anything?  It has everything you need.  It lays out all the derivatives and the flow logic for the software.  Step by step.  You supposed to be an engineer so you should not need any explanation for basic derivatives.  The flow charts exactly match the equations so that shouldn’t need any explanation there either.  My calculus is rusty as hell and even I can follow it.

Maybe you think it’s nonsense only because you can’t understand it.  If that’s the problem, well...that’s your issue.  Maybe you should take one of those free online classes from MIT and get you calculus skills up to snuff.

If you're in the safety at sea business why is 99% of your website just conspiracy theories?  Why isn't the majority of your site about safety at sea.  If I were looking to hire a Marine Architect and found that site I would immediately hit the back button.  Not to mention the only Heiwa Company I can find is in Japan and makes pachinko machines.  Why is that?  Interesting.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 17, 2017, 03:20:01 PM
https://github.com/chrislgarry/Apollo-11/tree/master/Comanche055

The values entered into the AGC are available in the mission transcripts.
 
That site is cool as hell.  There's enough there to keep me reading for a long time. :D

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 17, 2017, 03:36:59 PM
To what exactly should I change it?
A crap load of poo
Pooamus Maximus
The Sanitary Conundrum
Big steaming pile-o-poo
Yeah, poo this pal
I got yer poo right here...ok, I’m from Jersey.  What of it?
The Grand Imperial Poo-Bah...ok, that’s my favorite so far. :D

Anyone else?

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on July 17, 2017, 03:39:52 PM
Up Shitt Creek with paddles that don't quite reach the water!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Bullwinkle on July 17, 2017, 08:40:42 PM

You are right that my website is not perfect with equations of all sorts, bla, bla, bla. But it explains perfectly why spacecrafts cannot return from space, stop and land. Gravity is too strong.



Well, there's your problem right there.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: markjo on July 17, 2017, 09:09:36 PM
My CV is at http://heiwaco.com/cv.htm .
Where does your CV list any educational or professional experience in nuclear energy or aerospace engineering?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 17, 2017, 10:25:28 PM

1. What do you mean the 1965 NASA never explains anything?  It has everything you need.  It lays out all the derivatives and the flow logic for the software.  Step by step.  You supposed to be an engineer so you should not need any explanation for basic derivatives.  The flow charts exactly match the equations so that shouldn’t need any explanation there either.  My calculus is rusty as hell and even I can follow it.

Maybe you think it’s nonsense only because you can’t understand it.  If that’s the problem, well...that’s your issue.  Maybe you should take one of those free online classes from MIT and get you calculus skills up to snuff.

2. If you're in the safety at sea business why is 99% of your website just conspiracy theories?  Why isn't the majority of your site about safety at sea.  If I were looking to hire a Marine Architect and found that site I would immediately hit the back button.  Not to mention the only Heiwa Company I can find is in Japan and makes pachinko machines.  Why is that?  Interesting.

Mike

Thanks for asking.

1. A recent example of NASA silence and pseudoscience is the OSIRIS-REx spacecraft, which orbits the Sun in a very funny trajectory and which will in September 2017 be gravity kicked (LOL) in another strange trajectory to visit an asteroid and from there will fly back to Earth and drop off a sample taken from the asteroid. If you only ask about the fuel consumption, there is no answer from NASA. I am embarrassad that plenty NASA people participate in this hoax. https://www.nasa.gov/osiris-rex/

2. I am not in the conspiracy business. One of my pages is about the former (east) German Democratic Republic, GDR, that between 1963 and 1989 sold people like slaves to western countries. The numbers could be a couple of hundreds/year up to almost 3000/year. Total >33 000! Reason was that GDR top people needed money! Heard about it? Probably not as western media were told to shut up! The news could kill! So media was silent. East German secret police was also confused! They arrested people to protect GDR and then the GDR top brass sold these people to the enemy!

The reason why the scam worked was the secrecy. Same with a-bombs and human space travel. The details are secret as both things are hoaxes. Don't blame me for it.

Of course some interests use the same tactics to cover up incidents at sea. You just invent things and tell media to publish it.

I am quite pleased with my website http://heiwaco.com . I think you are, apart from stupid, just jealous.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: onebigmonkey on July 18, 2017, 02:37:47 AM
I am not in the conspiracy business.

(http://i.imgur.com/0SBNVCD.jpg)
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 18, 2017, 03:53:10 AM
I am not in the conspiracy business.

(http://i.imgur.com/0SBNVCD.jpg)

Thanks monkey for linking to me - http://heiwaco.com/911conspiracy.htm  - Study  http://heiwaco.com/mac5.htm for full details!

GWB and Condileezza really got upset about it.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 18, 2017, 04:51:54 AM

1. What do you mean the 1965 NASA never explains anything?  It has everything you need.  It lays out all the derivatives and the flow logic for the software.  Step by step.  You supposed to be an engineer so you should not need any explanation for basic derivatives.  The flow charts exactly match the equations so that shouldn’t need any explanation there either.  My calculus is rusty as hell and even I can follow it.

Maybe you think it’s nonsense only because you can’t understand it.  If that’s the problem, well...that’s your issue.  Maybe you should take one of those free online classes from MIT and get you calculus skills up to snuff.

2. If you're in the safety at sea business why is 99% of your website just conspiracy theories?  Why isn't the majority of your site about safety at sea.  If I were looking to hire a Marine Architect and found that site I would immediately hit the back button.  Not to mention the only Heiwa Company I can find is in Japan and makes pachinko machines.  Why is that?  Interesting.

Mike

Thanks for asking.

1. A recent example of NASA silence and pseudoscience is the OSIRIS-REx spacecraft, which orbits the Sun in a very funny trajectory and which will in September 2017 be gravity kicked (LOL) in another strange trajectory to visit an asteroid and from there will fly back to Earth and drop off a sample taken from the asteroid. If you only ask about the fuel consumption, there is no answer from NASA. I am embarrassad that plenty NASA people participate in this hoax. https://www.nasa.gov/osiris-rex/

2. I am not in the conspiracy business. One of my pages is about the former (east) German Democratic Republic, GDR, that between 1963 and 1989 sold people like slaves to western countries. The numbers could be a couple of hundreds/year up to almost 3000/year. Total >33 000! Reason was that GDR top people needed money! Heard about it? Probably not as western media were told to shut up! The news could kill! So media was silent. East German secret police was also confused! They arrested people to protect GDR and then the GDR top brass sold these people to the enemy!

The reason why the scam worked was the secrecy. Same with a-bombs and human space travel. The details are secret as both things are hoaxes. Don't blame me for it.

Of course some interests use the same tactics to cover up incidents at sea. You just invent things and tell media to publish it.

I am quite pleased with my website http://heiwaco.com . I think you are, apart from stupid, just jealous.
I ask you what is wrong with the paper I linked to and all you answer with is a rant about OSIRIS.  A rant that has nothing to do with my question.

You said the equations in the paper is nonsense.  I asked you to explain what is wrong with them.  Answer that question and some random shit that has nothing to do with my question.

I'll ask again.  What is wrong with the equations in the 1965 NASA paper that make it nonsense?

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: frenat on July 18, 2017, 05:30:44 AM
I am not in the conspiracy business.

(http://i.imgur.com/0SBNVCD.jpg)

Thanks monkey for linking to me - http://heiwaco.com/911conspiracy.htm  - Study  http://heiwaco.com/mac5.htm for full details!

GWB and Condileezza really got upset about it.
More LIES from Heiwa.  No proof that GWB or "Condileezza" know who you are or care.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 18, 2017, 06:52:30 AM
I am not in the conspiracy business.

(http://i.imgur.com/0SBNVCD.jpg)

Thanks monkey for linking to me - http://heiwaco.com/911conspiracy.htm  - Study  http://heiwaco.com/mac5.htm for full details!

GWB and Condileezza really got upset about it.
I guess you are into conspiracy theories.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 18, 2017, 07:37:47 AM

1. What do you mean the 1965 NASA never explains anything?  It has everything you need.  It lays out all the derivatives and the flow logic for the software.  Step by step.  You supposed to be an engineer so you should not need any explanation for basic derivatives.  The flow charts exactly match the equations so that shouldn’t need any explanation there either.  My calculus is rusty as hell and even I can follow it.

Maybe you think it’s nonsense only because you can’t understand it.  If that’s the problem, well...that’s your issue.  Maybe you should take one of those free online classes from MIT and get you calculus skills up to snuff.

2. If you're in the safety at sea business why is 99% of your website just conspiracy theories?  Why isn't the majority of your site about safety at sea.  If I were looking to hire a Marine Architect and found that site I would immediately hit the back button.  Not to mention the only Heiwa Company I can find is in Japan and makes pachinko machines.  Why is that?  Interesting.

Mike

Thanks for asking.

1. A recent example of NASA silence and pseudoscience is the OSIRIS-REx spacecraft, which orbits the Sun in a very funny trajectory and which will in September 2017 be gravity kicked (LOL) in another strange trajectory to visit an asteroid and from there will fly back to Earth and drop off a sample taken from the asteroid. If you only ask about the fuel consumption, there is no answer from NASA. I am embarrassad that plenty NASA people participate in this hoax. https://www.nasa.gov/osiris-rex/

2. I am not in the conspiracy business. One of my pages is about the former (east) German Democratic Republic, GDR, that between 1963 and 1989 sold people like slaves to western countries. The numbers could be a couple of hundreds/year up to almost 3000/year. Total >33 000! Reason was that GDR top people needed money! Heard about it? Probably not as western media were told to shut up! The news could kill! So media was silent. East German secret police was also confused! They arrested people to protect GDR and then the GDR top brass sold these people to the enemy!

The reason why the scam worked was the secrecy. Same with a-bombs and human space travel. The details are secret as both things are hoaxes. Don't blame me for it.

Of course some interests use the same tactics to cover up incidents at sea. You just invent things and tell media to publish it.

I am quite pleased with my website http://heiwaco.com . I think you are, apart from stupid, just jealous.
I ask you what is wrong with the paper I linked to any you answer with a rant about OSIRIS.  That has nothing to do with my question.

You said the equations in the paper is nonsense.  I asked you to explain what is wrong with them.  Answer that question and some random shit that has nothing to do with my question.

I'll ask again.  What is wrong with the equations in the 1965 NASA paper that make it nonsense?

Mike

But I explain it at my website since many years - http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm#EV17 .

The NASA 1969 equations do not consider  the variable density of the thin atmosphere during re-entry but regardless, there was no computer available 1969 to fully automatically steer Apollo 11 during the re-entry. Actually the whole trip was fantasy.

How can ain intelligent person like believe the NASA 1965 nonsense?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 18, 2017, 07:58:19 AM

1. What do you mean the 1965 NASA never explains anything?  It has everything you need.  It lays out all the derivatives and the flow logic for the software.  Step by step.  You supposed to be an engineer so you should not need any explanation for basic derivatives.  The flow charts exactly match the equations so that shouldn’t need any explanation there either.  My calculus is rusty as hell and even I can follow it.

Maybe you think it’s nonsense only because you can’t understand it.  If that’s the problem, well...that’s your issue.  Maybe you should take one of those free online classes from MIT and get you calculus skills up to snuff.

2. If you're in the safety at sea business why is 99% of your website just conspiracy theories?  Why isn't the majority of your site about safety at sea.  If I were looking to hire a Marine Architect and found that site I would immediately hit the back button.  Not to mention the only Heiwa Company I can find is in Japan and makes pachinko machines.  Why is that?  Interesting.

Mike

Thanks for asking.

1. A recent example of NASA silence and pseudoscience is the OSIRIS-REx spacecraft, which orbits the Sun in a very funny trajectory and which will in September 2017 be gravity kicked (LOL) in another strange trajectory to visit an asteroid and from there will fly back to Earth and drop off a sample taken from the asteroid. If you only ask about the fuel consumption, there is no answer from NASA. I am embarrassad that plenty NASA people participate in this hoax. https://www.nasa.gov/osiris-rex/

2. I am not in the conspiracy business. One of my pages is about the former (east) German Democratic Republic, GDR, that between 1963 and 1989 sold people like slaves to western countries. The numbers could be a couple of hundreds/year up to almost 3000/year. Total >33 000! Reason was that GDR top people needed money! Heard about it? Probably not as western media were told to shut up! The news could kill! So media was silent. East German secret police was also confused! They arrested people to protect GDR and then the GDR top brass sold these people to the enemy!

The reason why the scam worked was the secrecy. Same with a-bombs and human space travel. The details are secret as both things are hoaxes. Don't blame me for it.

Of course some interests use the same tactics to cover up incidents at sea. You just invent things and tell media to publish it.

I am quite pleased with my website http://heiwaco.com . I think you are, apart from stupid, just jealous.
I ask you what is wrong with the paper I linked to any you answer with a rant about OSIRIS.  That has nothing to do with my question.

You said the equations in the paper is nonsense.  I asked you to explain what is wrong with them.  Answer that question and some random shit that has nothing to do with my question.

I'll ask again.  What is wrong with the equations in the 1965 NASA paper that make it nonsense?

Mike

But I explain it at my website since many years - http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm#EV17 .

The NASA 1969 equations do not consider influence of gravity but regardless, there was no computer available 1969 to fully automatically steer Apollo 11 during the re-entry. Actually the whole trip was fantasy.

How can ain intelligent person like believe the NASA 1965 nonsense?
You brought up gravity the first time and I called you out on it.  Gravity as a vector quantity in the equations and is in the list of variables.  Gravity is in the first derivatives in Appendix A and Appendix B.

You a liar.  You didn’t even read the paper.  You are a very bad liar but a liar none the less.

Actually read the paper this time and explain why it's nonsense.  Or is it too far over your head for you to understand?

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 18, 2017, 08:06:33 AM

1. What do you mean the 1965 NASA never explains anything?  It has everything you need.  It lays out all the derivatives and the flow logic for the software.  Step by step.  You supposed to be an engineer so you should not need any explanation for basic derivatives.  The flow charts exactly match the equations so that shouldn’t need any explanation there either.  My calculus is rusty as hell and even I can follow it.

Maybe you think it’s nonsense only because you can’t understand it.  If that’s the problem, well...that’s your issue.  Maybe you should take one of those free online classes from MIT and get you calculus skills up to snuff.

2. If you're in the safety at sea business why is 99% of your website just conspiracy theories?  Why isn't the majority of your site about safety at sea.  If I were looking to hire a Marine Architect and found that site I would immediately hit the back button.  Not to mention the only Heiwa Company I can find is in Japan and makes pachinko machines.  Why is that?  Interesting.

Mike

Thanks for asking.

1. A recent example of NASA silence and pseudoscience is the OSIRIS-REx spacecraft, which orbits the Sun in a very funny trajectory and which will in September 2017 be gravity kicked (LOL) in another strange trajectory to visit an asteroid and from there will fly back to Earth and drop off a sample taken from the asteroid. If you only ask about the fuel consumption, there is no answer from NASA. I am embarrassad that plenty NASA people participate in this hoax. https://www.nasa.gov/osiris-rex/

2. I am not in the conspiracy business. One of my pages is about the former (east) German Democratic Republic, GDR, that between 1963 and 1989 sold people like slaves to western countries. The numbers could be a couple of hundreds/year up to almost 3000/year. Total >33 000! Reason was that GDR top people needed money! Heard about it? Probably not as western media were told to shut up! The news could kill! So media was silent. East German secret police was also confused! They arrested people to protect GDR and then the GDR top brass sold these people to the enemy!

The reason why the scam worked was the secrecy. Same with a-bombs and human space travel. The details are secret as both things are hoaxes. Don't blame me for it.

Of course some interests use the same tactics to cover up incidents at sea. You just invent things and tell media to publish it.

I am quite pleased with my website http://heiwaco.com . I think you are, apart from stupid, just jealous.
I ask you what is wrong with the paper I linked to any you answer with a rant about OSIRIS.  That has nothing to do with my question.

You said the equations in the paper is nonsense.  I asked you to explain what is wrong with them.  Answer that question and some random shit that has nothing to do with my question.

I'll ask again.  What is wrong with the equations in the 1965 NASA paper that make it nonsense?

Mike

But I explain it at my website since many years - http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm#EV17 .

The NASA 1969 equations do not consider influence of gravity but regardless, there was no computer available 1969 to fully automatically steer Apollo 11 during the re-entry. Actually the whole trip was fantasy.

How can ain intelligent person like believe the NASA 1965 nonsense?
You brought up gravity the first time and I called you out on it.  Gravity as a vector quantity in the equations and is in the list of variables.  Gravity is in the first derivatives in Appendix A and Appendix B.

You a liar.  You didn’t even read the paper.  You are a very bad liar but a liar none the less.

Actually read the paper this time and explain why it's nonsense.  Or is it too far over your head for you to understand?

Mike

You are right! I used this 1969 paper - https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19690029435.pdf . But it is the same old nonsense.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 18, 2017, 08:09:00 AM

1. What do you mean the 1965 NASA never explains anything?  It has everything you need.  It lays out all the derivatives and the flow logic for the software.  Step by step.  You supposed to be an engineer so you should not need any explanation for basic derivatives.  The flow charts exactly match the equations so that shouldn’t need any explanation there either.  My calculus is rusty as hell and even I can follow it.

Maybe you think it’s nonsense only because you can’t understand it.  If that’s the problem, well...that’s your issue.  Maybe you should take one of those free online classes from MIT and get you calculus skills up to snuff.

2. If you're in the safety at sea business why is 99% of your website just conspiracy theories?  Why isn't the majority of your site about safety at sea.  If I were looking to hire a Marine Architect and found that site I would immediately hit the back button.  Not to mention the only Heiwa Company I can find is in Japan and makes pachinko machines.  Why is that?  Interesting.

Mike

Thanks for asking.

1. A recent example of NASA silence and pseudoscience is the OSIRIS-REx spacecraft, which orbits the Sun in a very funny trajectory and which will in September 2017 be gravity kicked (LOL) in another strange trajectory to visit an asteroid and from there will fly back to Earth and drop off a sample taken from the asteroid. If you only ask about the fuel consumption, there is no answer from NASA. I am embarrassad that plenty NASA people participate in this hoax. https://www.nasa.gov/osiris-rex/

2. I am not in the conspiracy business. One of my pages is about the former (east) German Democratic Republic, GDR, that between 1963 and 1989 sold people like slaves to western countries. The numbers could be a couple of hundreds/year up to almost 3000/year. Total >33 000! Reason was that GDR top people needed money! Heard about it? Probably not as western media were told to shut up! The news could kill! So media was silent. East German secret police was also confused! They arrested people to protect GDR and then the GDR top brass sold these people to the enemy!

The reason why the scam worked was the secrecy. Same with a-bombs and human space travel. The details are secret as both things are hoaxes. Don't blame me for it.

Of course some interests use the same tactics to cover up incidents at sea. You just invent things and tell media to publish it.

I am quite pleased with my website http://heiwaco.com . I think you are, apart from stupid, just jealous.
I ask you what is wrong with the paper I linked to any you answer with a rant about OSIRIS.  That has nothing to do with my question.

You said the equations in the paper is nonsense.  I asked you to explain what is wrong with them.  Answer that question and some random shit that has nothing to do with my question.

I'll ask again.  What is wrong with the equations in the 1965 NASA paper that make it nonsense?

Mike

But I explain it at my website since many years - http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm#EV17 .

The NASA 1969 equations do not consider influence of gravity but regardless, there was no computer available 1969 to fully automatically steer Apollo 11 during the re-entry. Actually the whole trip was fantasy.

How can ain intelligent person like believe the NASA 1965 nonsense?
You brought up gravity the first time and I called you out on it.  Gravity as a vector quantity in the equations and is in the list of variables.  Gravity is in the first derivatives in Appendix A and Appendix B.

You a liar.  You didn’t even read the paper.  You are a very bad liar but a liar none the less.

Actually read the paper this time and explain why it's nonsense.  Or is it too far over your head for you to understand?

Mike

You are right! I used this 1969 paper - https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19690029435.pdf . But it is the same old nonsense.
Then why did you lie about it?

Why won't you answer the question?  What is wrong with the equations that make them nonsense?  Why are you afraid to answer the question.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on July 18, 2017, 08:15:31 AM
Great work!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: frenat on July 18, 2017, 08:18:33 AM

1. What do you mean the 1965 NASA never explains anything?  It has everything you need.  It lays out all the derivatives and the flow logic for the software.  Step by step.  You supposed to be an engineer so you should not need any explanation for basic derivatives.  The flow charts exactly match the equations so that shouldn’t need any explanation there either.  My calculus is rusty as hell and even I can follow it.

Maybe you think it’s nonsense only because you can’t understand it.  If that’s the problem, well...that’s your issue.  Maybe you should take one of those free online classes from MIT and get you calculus skills up to snuff.

2. If you're in the safety at sea business why is 99% of your website just conspiracy theories?  Why isn't the majority of your site about safety at sea.  If I were looking to hire a Marine Architect and found that site I would immediately hit the back button.  Not to mention the only Heiwa Company I can find is in Japan and makes pachinko machines.  Why is that?  Interesting.

Mike

Thanks for asking.

1. A recent example of NASA silence and pseudoscience is the OSIRIS-REx spacecraft, which orbits the Sun in a very funny trajectory and which will in September 2017 be gravity kicked (LOL) in another strange trajectory to visit an asteroid and from there will fly back to Earth and drop off a sample taken from the asteroid. If you only ask about the fuel consumption, there is no answer from NASA. I am embarrassad that plenty NASA people participate in this hoax. https://www.nasa.gov/osiris-rex/

2. I am not in the conspiracy business. One of my pages is about the former (east) German Democratic Republic, GDR, that between 1963 and 1989 sold people like slaves to western countries. The numbers could be a couple of hundreds/year up to almost 3000/year. Total >33 000! Reason was that GDR top people needed money! Heard about it? Probably not as western media were told to shut up! The news could kill! So media was silent. East German secret police was also confused! They arrested people to protect GDR and then the GDR top brass sold these people to the enemy!

The reason why the scam worked was the secrecy. Same with a-bombs and human space travel. The details are secret as both things are hoaxes. Don't blame me for it.

Of course some interests use the same tactics to cover up incidents at sea. You just invent things and tell media to publish it.

I am quite pleased with my website http://heiwaco.com . I think you are, apart from stupid, just jealous.
I ask you what is wrong with the paper I linked to any you answer with a rant about OSIRIS.  That has nothing to do with my question.

You said the equations in the paper is nonsense.  I asked you to explain what is wrong with them.  Answer that question and some random shit that has nothing to do with my question.

I'll ask again.  What is wrong with the equations in the 1965 NASA paper that make it nonsense?

Mike

But I explain it at my website since many years - http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm#EV17 .

The NASA 1969 equations do not consider influence of gravity but regardless, there was no computer available 1969 to fully automatically steer Apollo 11 during the re-entry. Actually the whole trip was fantasy.

How can ain intelligent person like believe the NASA 1965 nonsense?
You brought up gravity the first time and I called you out on it.  Gravity as a vector quantity in the equations and is in the list of variables.  Gravity is in the first derivatives in Appendix A and Appendix B.

You a liar.  You didn’t even read the paper.  You are a very bad liar but a liar none the less.

Actually read the paper this time and explain why it's nonsense.  Or is it too far over your head for you to understand?

Mike

You are right! I used this 1969 paper - https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19690029435.pdf . But it is the same old nonsense.
Then why did you lie about it?

Why won't you answer the question?  What is wrong with the equations that make them nonsense?  Why are you afraid to answer the question.

Mike
Because he is a fraud that doesn't know what he is talking about.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 18, 2017, 09:48:45 AM

Why won't you answer the question?  What is wrong with the equations that make them nonsense?  Why are you afraid to answer the question.

Mike

Hm, the 1965 document https://ia600501.us.archive.org/14/items/nasa_techdoc_19750065842/19750065842.pdf assumes that a re-entry consists of

1. Pre-Up Phase (reducing altitude, speed)
2. Up-Control Phase (bouncing up increasing altitude, redcucing speed)
3. Kepler Phase (reducing altitude, speed)

For each phase the spacecraft travels a certain distance (range) during a certain time. The velocity, altitude and density/temperature of the air and change all the time.

However, as we don't know the loction/time where the Pre-Up Phase starts and in what direction you travel, the location where the Up-Control Phase starts will be uncertain.

Why the spacecraft bounces up during the Up-Control Phase is also un-clear.

So the location and altitude, where the Kepler Phase starts is also uncertain.

I would conclude that the proposed method cannot be used to predict, where the spacecraft will deploy its parachutes.

Actually the whole paper is a joke. Of course no Apollo spacecrafts ever landed as suggested bouncing up during landing. No Apollo spacecrafts landed at all. They were just dropped off from an airplane. 


Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: markjo on July 18, 2017, 10:12:15 AM
I am not in the conspiracy business.

(http://i.imgur.com/0SBNVCD.jpg)

Thanks monkey for linking to me - http://heiwaco.com/911conspiracy.htm 
LOL!!  Anders, you are so silly.

That image isn't linked to your site.  It's a cropped screenshot that's being hosted in imgur.

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Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 18, 2017, 10:49:09 AM
I am not in the conspiracy business.

(http://i.imgur.com/0SBNVCD.jpg)

Thanks monkey for linking to me - http://heiwaco.com/911conspiracy.htm 
LOL!!  Anders, you are so silly.

That image isn't linked to your site.  It's a cropped screenshot that's being hosted in imgur.

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[img]http://i.imgur.com/0SBNVCD.jpg[/img]

Me silly? Imagine GWB blaming an Egyptian and some Arabs destroying NY on the order of a Saudi ignoring the  famous Björkman Axiom!

I really got upset. But a conspiracy? My axiom is not secret.

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 18, 2017, 01:28:30 PM
Hm, the 1965 document https://ia600501.us.archive.org/14/items/nasa_techdoc_19750065842/19750065842.pdf assumes that a re-entry consists of

1. Pre-Up Phase (reducing altitude, speed)
2. Up-Control Phase (bouncing up increasing altitude, redcucing speed)
3. Kepler Phase (reducing altitude, speed)

For each phase the spacecraft travels a certain distance (range) during a certain time. The velocity, altitude and density/temperature of the air and change all the time.
Thank you Dr. Obvious PhD.  The world’s foremost authority on the incredibly apparent. 

However, as we don't know the loction/time where the Pre-Up Phase starts and in what direction you travel, the location where the Up-Control Phase starts will be uncertain.

Why the spacecraft bounces up during the Up-Control Phase is also un-clear.

So the location and altitude, where the Kepler Phase starts is also uncertain.

I would conclude that the proposed method cannot be used to predict, where the spacecraft will deploy its parachutes.

Actually the whole paper is a joke. Of course no Apollo spacecrafts ever landed as suggested bouncing up during landing. No Apollo spacecrafts landed at all. They were just dropped off from an airplane.
 
So, you’re gonna keep making up some random unsupportable crap?  Comments that don’t explain what is wrong with the equations.

Up-Control Phase blah, blah, location and altitude, blah freakin’ blah Kepler blah blah...oh look, a flock of turtles.
 
It’s clear you have no idea what the equations mean and that's why you make shit up.  It’s also clear you have no idea how it’s supposed to work so how can I expect to get a cogent explanation from you.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 18, 2017, 05:41:17 PM
<snip>
At that time I met E who supported me 100%. E was a refugée from Eastgermany. And then 2001 the whole WTC/NY complex was destroyed by some Arabs incl. Egyptians. E and I watched the re-plays on TV at our house at Freiberg i.Sa.. E just laughed. It couldn't physically happen.
<snip>
The fact that you sat around with your friend and laughed as the towers came down is offensive. 

My cousin was in a wheel chair in the north tower.  Some random man carried her down eleven flights of stairs and she got out alive.  She owes her life to that man.  This is personal for me.

My cousin watched the towers fall from a mile away.  Millions saw them come down and I don’t mean on TV or video.  They were there and watched it with their own eyes.  Millions of people from Manhattan, north Jersey, and Long Island.  I’m from north Jersey and I live in Connecticut.  I personally know a dozen people who were there and witnessed the collapse.  That’s why I know it happened exactly as you saw on TV. 

The fact that you found at the deaths of 2606 people laughable says something about your character.  You are a piss poor engineer, a liar, and if you think it’s ok to make light of the loss of 2606 souls to terrorism, well, that makes you piece of shit human being too.  I defy you to walk into any NYC firehouse and tell them your junk science conspiracy theory.  See what happens then. 

I missed this comment when I scanned this post earlier.  This will be my last post to you.

Mike Bertelson
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 18, 2017, 07:45:29 PM
<snip>
At that time I met E who supported me 100%. E was a refugée from Eastgermany. And then 2001 the whole WTC/NY complex was destroyed by some Arabs incl. Egyptians. E and I watched the re-plays on TV at our house at Freiberg i.Sa.. E just laughed. It couldn't physically happen.
<snip>
The fact that you sat around with your friend and laughed as the towers came down is offensive. 

My cousin was in a wheel chair in the north tower.  Some random man carried her down eleven flights of stairs and she got out alive.  She owes her life to that man.  This is personal for me.

My cousin watched the towers fall from a mile away.  Millions saw them come down and I don’t mean on TV or video.  They were there and watched it with their own eyes.  Millions of people from Manhattan, north Jersey, and Long Island.  I’m from north Jersey and I live in Connecticut.  I personally know a dozen people who were there and witnessed the collapse.  That’s why I know it happened exactly as you saw on TV. 

The fact that you found at the deaths of 2606 people laughable says something about your character.  You are a piss poor engineer, a liar, and if you think it’s ok to make light of the loss of 2606 souls to terrorism, well, that makes you piece of shit human being too.  I defy you to walk into any NYC firehouse and tell them your junk science conspiracy theory.  See what happens then. 

I missed this comment when I scanned this post earlier.  This will be my last post to you.

Mike Bertelson

Thanks for stopping posting rubbish to me. You sound like a paid shill.

It is physically impossible that a weak top C can crush a solid bottom A of a tower by gravity, when the interface C/A is weakened by, e.g. fire and C drops on A.

According to all laws of physics top C should just bounce on bottom A ... and no global collapse can take place.

As you know I pay anyone €1M demonstrating that weak top C can crush strong, intact bottom A by gravity. You have not attempted to win it. You are a loser.

What was shown on TV by five US TV channels on 911 - top C crushing bottom A at high, constants speed - was 100% computer generated images, CGI, à la Hollywood. It could never have happened in reality incl. the planes.

It seems the complete WTC at NY was destroyed by other means, e.g. from bottom up. And no planes.

It is thus quite easy to solve the 911 mystery and who did it. How?

Just find out who made the CGI footage and ordered the TV companies to broadcast it (and ordered shills like you to lie about it). I have evidently told FBI about it ... but they were not interested?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: onebigmonkey on July 18, 2017, 11:52:59 PM
Obvious attention whore troll is even more obvious than usual.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 19, 2017, 04:10:29 AM
Obvious attention whore troll is even more obvious than usual.
Hm, just call the SAC of FBI, Albuquerque, NM, and ask her why she didn't investigate my tip! I was there but she said I should contact her colleague at the US Embassy, Paris.
I was at Albuquerque, NM, USA, and I should call Paris, France!?! From Albuquerque!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on July 19, 2017, 08:14:19 AM
Obvious Dunning–Kruger effect is obvious.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 20, 2017, 05:43:58 PM
<snip>
At that time I met E who supported me 100%. E was a refugée from Eastgermany. And then 2001 the whole WTC/NY complex was destroyed by some Arabs incl. Egyptians. E and I watched the re-plays on TV at our house at Freiberg i.Sa.. E just laughed. It couldn't physically happen.
<snip>
The fact that you sat around with your friend and laughed as the towers came down is offensive. 

My cousin was in a wheel chair in the north tower.  Some random man carried her down eleven flights of stairs and she got out alive.  She owes her life to that man.  This is personal for me.

My cousin watched the towers fall from a mile away.  Millions saw them come down and I don’t mean on TV or video.  They were there and watched it with their own eyes.  Millions of people from Manhattan, north Jersey, and Long Island.  I’m from north Jersey and I live in Connecticut.  I personally know a dozen people who were there and witnessed the collapse.  That’s why I know it happened exactly as you saw on TV. 

The fact that you found at the deaths of 2606 people laughable says something about your character.  You are a piss poor engineer, a liar, and if you think it’s ok to make light of the loss of 2606 souls to terrorism, well, that makes you piece of shit human being too.  I defy you to walk into any NYC firehouse and tell them your junk science conspiracy theory.  See what happens then. 

I missed this comment when I scanned this post earlier.  This will be my last post to you.

Mike Bertelson

Thanks for stopping posting rubbish to me. You sound like a paid shill.

It is physically impossible that a weak top C can crush a solid bottom A of a tower by gravity, when the interface C/A is weakened by, e.g. fire and C drops on A.

According to all laws of physics top C should just bounce on bottom A ... and no global collapse can take place.

As you know I pay anyone €1M demonstrating that weak top C can crush strong, intact bottom A by gravity. You have not attempted to win it. You are a loser.

What was shown on TV by five US TV channels on 911 - top C crushing bottom A at high, constants speed - was 100% computer generated images, CGI, à la Hollywood. It could never have happened in reality incl. the planes.

It seems the complete WTC at NY was destroyed by other means, e.g. from bottom up. And no planes.

It is thus quite easy to solve the 911 mystery and who did it. How?

Just find out who made the CGI footage and ordered the TV companies to broadcast it (and ordered shills like you to lie about it). I have evidently told FBI about it ... but they were not interested?
   
Rubbish?  No! You don’t get to make fun the deaths of 2606 souls and then call my posts rubbish.

Prove It!  You say they’re rubbish, then prove it.  I don’t think you have the engineering skills of the level of knowledge to prove anything.  Prove my posts are rubbish.

I’m no paid shill.  I work for Electric Boat, I live in Norwich, CT and my name is Mike Bertelson.  Look me up. 

I started posting in here because it seemed like an interesting discussion.  I didn’t know I’d discussing technical data with an engineer wannabe.  You have some balls complaining about my posts.  Especially considering you’ve been banned from nearly every forum you post your conspiracy theories.  Yeah, I looked you up. 

I’m tired of your lies and treatment of other posters.  I’m not going anywhere.  You're not going to get away with thinking it's ok to laugh at the deaths of 2606 people.

Since you’re so sure the towers didn’t come down that way how do you explain the literally millions of eye witnesses that say they came down exactly as they did on TV.  Do you have the balls to answer this question?

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Badxtoss on July 20, 2017, 06:22:03 PM
Obvious attention whore troll is even more obvious than usual.
Hm, just call the SAC of FBI, Albuquerque, NM, and ask her why she didn't investigate my tip! I was there but she said I should contact her colleague at the US Embassy, Paris.
I was at Albuquerque, NM, USA, and I should call Paris, France!?! From Albuquerque!
You said you couldn't come to US because of a death sentence.  So are you lying now about being in Albuquerque or were you lying about not being able to come to US?
As for the FBI blowing you off, well, it's not hard to tell you're an idiot who has no idea what you are talking about.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on July 20, 2017, 06:38:15 PM
Rubbish?  No! You don’t get to make fun the deaths of 2606 souls and then call my posts rubbish.

Prove It!  You say they’re rubbish, then prove it.  I don’t think you have the engineering skills of the level of knowledge to prove anything.  Prove my posts are rubbish.

I’m no paid shill.  I work for Electric Boat, I live in Norwich, CT and my name is Mike Bertelson.  Look me up. 

I started posting in here because it seemed like an interesting discussion.  I didn’t know I’d discussing technical data with an engineer wannabe.  You have some balls complaining about my posts.  Especially considering you’ve been banned from nearly every forum you post your conspiracy theories.  Yeah, I looked you up. 

I’m tired of your lies and treatment of other posters.  I’m not going anywhere.  You're not going to get away with thinking it's ok to laugh at the deaths of 2606 people.

Since you’re so sure the towers didn’t come down that way how do you explain the literally millions of eye witnesses that say they came down exactly as they did on TV.  Do you have the balls to answer this question?

Mike

We have a thread for this.
I am more than happy to school you.

If you don't want a challenge then keep """debating""" heiwa.

Of course the towers came down. The question is what caused them to collapse.

Heiwa is the shill. Not you.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 20, 2017, 06:48:53 PM
Rubbish?  No! You don’t get to make fun the deaths of 2606 souls and then call my posts rubbish.

Prove It!  You say they’re rubbish, then prove it.  I don’t think you have the engineering skills of the level of knowledge to prove anything.  Prove my posts are rubbish.

I’m no paid shill.  I work for Electric Boat, I live in Norwich, CT and my name is Mike Bertelson.  Look me up. 

I started posting in here because it seemed like an interesting discussion.  I didn’t know I’d discussing technical data with an engineer wannabe.  You have some balls complaining about my posts.  Especially considering you’ve been banned from nearly every forum you post your conspiracy theories.  Yeah, I looked you up. 

I’m tired of your lies and treatment of other posters.  I’m not going anywhere.  You're not going to get away with thinking it's ok to laugh at the deaths of 2606 people.

Since you’re so sure the towers didn’t come down that way how do you explain the literally millions of eye witnesses that say they came down exactly as they did on TV.  Do you have the balls to answer this question?

Mike

We have a thread for this.
I am more than happy to school you.

If you don't want a challenge then keep """debating""" heiwa.

Of course the towers came down. The question is what caused them to collapse.

Heiwa is the shill. Not you.
  Your question.  Not mine.  I have no doubts about what or how.

"more than happy to school" me.  Arrogant ass much?

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on July 20, 2017, 06:58:51 PM
Yes. Please join me in the appropriate thread. The official story is untenable, I am happy to show you.

I also have no doubts about how they collapsed.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 20, 2017, 10:20:35 PM
Obvious attention whore troll is even more obvious than usual.
Hm, just call the SAC of FBI, Albuquerque, NM, and ask her why she didn't investigate my tip! I was there but she said I should contact her colleague at the US Embassy, Paris.
I was at Albuquerque, NM, USA, and I should call Paris, France!?! From Albuquerque!
You said you couldn't come to US because of a death sentence.  So are you lying now about being in Albuquerque or were you lying about not being able to come to US?
As for the FBI blowing you off, well, it's not hard to tell you're an idiot who has no idea what you are talking about.
Well, I was at Albuquerque, NM, 2010 making a speech - http://heiwaco.com/HeiwaNMSR.pdf - and invited FBI to attend. FBI didn't show up. It was only later I was told that we a-bombs deniers are sentenced to death in USA.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: onebigmonkey on July 20, 2017, 11:15:02 PM
Obvious attention whore troll is even more obvious than usual.
Hm, just call the SAC of FBI, Albuquerque, NM, and ask her why she didn't investigate my tip! I was there but she said I should contact her colleague at the US Embassy, Paris.
I was at Albuquerque, NM, USA, and I should call Paris, France!?! From Albuquerque!
You said you couldn't come to US because of a death sentence.  So are you lying now about being in Albuquerque or were you lying about not being able to come to US?
As for the FBI blowing you off, well, it's not hard to tell you're an idiot who has no idea what you are talking about.
Well, I was at Albuquerque, NM, 2010 making a speech - <spam removed>- and invited FBI to attend. FBI didn't show up. It was only later I was told that we a-bombs deniers are sentenced to death in USA.

So you invited the people who would sentence you to death to listen to evidence that would sentence you to death, yet you were not sentenced to death.

Who told you? The cleaner? Harvey the rabbit? J Edgar Hoover's ghost?

What a sack of lying fraudulent shit this is. Even your challenge is less impressive - a mere 10000 Euros.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on July 20, 2017, 11:31:11 PM
Why do you bother arguing with him OBM?

It's like an MMA fighter beating up a child. He does this because he knows the points he raises are bunk and his ideas are a bad joke.

I don't see why you guys have to feed him.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 21, 2017, 02:00:52 AM
Obvious attention whore troll is even more obvious than usual.
Hm, just call the SAC of FBI, Albuquerque, NM, and ask her why she didn't investigate my tip! I was there but she said I should contact her colleague at the US Embassy, Paris.
I was at Albuquerque, NM, USA, and I should call Paris, France!?! From Albuquerque!
You said you couldn't come to US because of a death sentence.  So are you lying now about being in Albuquerque or were you lying about not being able to come to US?
As for the FBI blowing you off, well, it's not hard to tell you're an idiot who has no idea what you are talking about.
Well, I was at Albuquerque, NM, 2010 making a speech - http://heiwaco.com/HeiwaNMSR.pdf - and invited FBI to attend. FBI didn't show up. It was only later I was told that we a-bombs deniers are sentenced to death in USA.
So, it's true.  You don't have the balls to answer my question.  I knew you wouldn't.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 21, 2017, 02:42:04 AM
Obvious attention whore troll is even more obvious than usual.
Hm, just call the SAC of FBI, Albuquerque, NM, and ask her why she didn't investigate my tip! I was there but she said I should contact her colleague at the US Embassy, Paris.
I was at Albuquerque, NM, USA, and I should call Paris, France!?! From Albuquerque!
You said you couldn't come to US because of a death sentence.  So are you lying now about being in Albuquerque or were you lying about not being able to come to US?
As for the FBI blowing you off, well, it's not hard to tell you're an idiot who has no idea what you are talking about.
Well, I was at Albuquerque, NM, 2010 making a speech - <spam removed>- and invited FBI to attend. FBI didn't show up. It was only later I was told that we a-bombs deniers are sentenced to death in USA.

So you invited the people who would sentence you to death to listen to evidence that would sentence you to death, yet you were not sentenced to death.

Who told you? The cleaner? Harvey the rabbit? J Edgar Hoover's ghost?

What a sack of lying fraudulent shit this is. Even your challenge is less impressive - a mere 10000 Euros.

You have to read why I say! Can you read? No, I was invited by NMSR, New Mexico, to lecture about strength of structures, etc, 2010 and I thought it might interest FBI due to 911. So I called them and invited them to come along. Some female SA called me and said they were too busy with other things.
It was only later I was informed that US Congress had adopted a law making a-bomb denial punishible by death! Everyone knows I am an a-bomb denier but FBI missed it.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 21, 2017, 02:45:52 AM
Obvious attention whore troll is even more obvious than usual.
Hm, just call the SAC of FBI, Albuquerque, NM, and ask her why she didn't investigate my tip! I was there but she said I should contact her colleague at the US Embassy, Paris.
I was at Albuquerque, NM, USA, and I should call Paris, France!?! From Albuquerque!
You said you couldn't come to US because of a death sentence.  So are you lying now about being in Albuquerque or were you lying about not being able to come to US?
As for the FBI blowing you off, well, it's not hard to tell you're an idiot who has no idea what you are talking about.
Well, I was at Albuquerque, NM, 2010 making a speech - http://heiwaco.com/HeiwaNMSR.pdf - and invited FBI to attend. FBI didn't show up. It was only later I was told that we a-bombs deniers are sentenced to death in USA.
So, it's true.  You don't have the balls to answer my question.  I knew you wouldn't.

Mike

What question are you on about? I thought you had decided not to participate in this friendly discussion about my lack of understanding in everything.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on July 21, 2017, 03:12:43 AM
What question are you on about?

He wants to know what happened to wtc 1, 2 and 7 if it was "all cgi" I think it is a very reasonable question. What happened to wtc 1, 2 and 7 Heiwa?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 21, 2017, 03:20:10 AM
Obvious attention whore troll is even more obvious than usual.
Hm, just call the SAC of FBI, Albuquerque, NM, and ask her why she didn't investigate my tip! I was there but she said I should contact her colleague at the US Embassy, Paris.
I was at Albuquerque, NM, USA, and I should call Paris, France!?! From Albuquerque!
You said you couldn't come to US because of a death sentence.  So are you lying now about being in Albuquerque or were you lying about not being able to come to US?
As for the FBI blowing you off, well, it's not hard to tell you're an idiot who has no idea what you are talking about.
Well, I was at Albuquerque, NM, 2010 making a speech - http://heiwaco.com/HeiwaNMSR.pdf - and invited FBI to attend. FBI didn't show up. It was only later I was told that we a-bombs deniers are sentenced to death in USA.
So, it's true.  You don't have the balls to answer my question.  I knew you wouldn't.

Mike

What question are you on about? I thought you had decided not to participate in this friendly discussion about my lack of understanding in everything.
Proving once again you don't read posts. 

Since you’re so sure the towers didn’t come down that way how do you explain the literally millions of eye witnesses that say the towers came down exactly as you saw on TV?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Pezevenk on July 21, 2017, 03:41:56 AM
What question are you on about?

He wants to know what happened to wtc 1, 2 and 7 if it was "all cgi" I think it is a very reasonable question. What happened to wtc 1, 2 and 7 Heiwa?

They were nuked from the moon by the captain of Costa Concordia.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 21, 2017, 03:48:53 AM
What question are you on about?

He wants to know what happened to wtc 1, 2 and 7 if it was "all cgi" I think it is a very reasonable question. What happened to wtc 1, 2 and 7 Heiwa?

They were nuked from the moon by the captain of Costa Concordia.
Nuke the entire site from orbit--it's the only way to be sure. :D
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 21, 2017, 04:52:57 AM
Obvious attention whore troll is even more obvious than usual.
Hm, just call the SAC of FBI, Albuquerque, NM, and ask her why she didn't investigate my tip! I was there but she said I should contact her colleague at the US Embassy, Paris.
I was at Albuquerque, NM, USA, and I should call Paris, France!?! From Albuquerque!
You said you couldn't come to US because of a death sentence.  So are you lying now about being in Albuquerque or were you lying about not being able to come to US?
As for the FBI blowing you off, well, it's not hard to tell you're an idiot who has no idea what you are talking about.
Well, I was at Albuquerque, NM, 2010 making a speech - http://heiwaco.com/HeiwaNMSR.pdf - and invited FBI to attend. FBI didn't show up. It was only later I was told that we a-bombs deniers are sentenced to death in USA.
So, it's true.  You don't have the balls to answer my question.  I knew you wouldn't.

Mike

What question are you on about? I thought you had decided not to participate in this friendly discussion about my lack of understanding in everything.
Proving once again you don't read posts. 

Since you’re so sure the towers didn’t come down that way how do you explain the literally millions of eye witnesses that say the towers came down exactly as you saw on TV?

According basic, dynamic, structural, damage analysis a top part C of a structure cannot crush bottom part A of same structure, when bottom A can statically keep C in place. If you drop top C on bottom A, C will always bounce on bottom A. There might be some local damages in interface C/A, but top C annot ever crush bottom A by gravity. I describe it at http://heiwaco.com/emi2013.htm .

Millions of people watching TV saw of course twice tops C crushing bottoms A of two NY towers on 911, but it was all CGI.

Of course five US TV companies didn't have any reporters at all in the streets of NY and in the air above NY at 911. Everything shown on TV were a pre-recorded show.
The actual location was fenced off before the show started. During the show, the complete WTC was destroyed from bottom up, etc, etc. Of course they forgot to destroy WTC7, so it was done later.

No planes, no Arabs!

What a show.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 21, 2017, 04:55:44 AM
Obvious attention whore troll is even more obvious than usual.
Hm, just call the SAC of FBI, Albuquerque, NM, and ask her why she didn't investigate my tip! I was there but she said I should contact her colleague at the US Embassy, Paris.
I was at Albuquerque, NM, USA, and I should call Paris, France!?! From Albuquerque!
You said you couldn't come to US because of a death sentence.  So are you lying now about being in Albuquerque or were you lying about not being able to come to US?
As for the FBI blowing you off, well, it's not hard to tell you're an idiot who has no idea what you are talking about.
Well, I was at Albuquerque, NM, 2010 making a speech - http://heiwaco.com/HeiwaNMSR.pdf - and invited FBI to attend. FBI didn't show up. It was only later I was told that we a-bombs deniers are sentenced to death in USA.
So, it's true.  You don't have the balls to answer my question.  I knew you wouldn't.

Mike

What question are you on about? I thought you had decided not to participate in this friendly discussion about my lack of understanding in everything.
Proving once again you don't read posts. 

Since you’re so sure the towers didn’t come down that way how do you explain the literally millions of eye witnesses that say the towers came down exactly as you saw on TV?

According basic, dynamic, structural, damage analysis a top part C of a structure cannot crush bottom part A of same structure, when bottom A can statically keep C in place. If you drop top C on bottom A, C will always bounce on bottom A. There might be some local damages in interface C/A, but top C annot ever crush bottom A by gravity. I describe it at http://heiwaco.com/emi2013.htm .

Millions of people watching TV saw of course twice tops C crushing bottoms A of two NY towers on 911, but it was all CGI.

Of course five US TV companies didn't have any reporters at all in the streets of NY and in the air above NY at 911. Everything shown on TV were a pre-recorded show.
The actual location was fenced off before the show started. During the show, the complete WTC was destroyed from bottom up, etc, etc. Of course they forgot to destroy WTC7, so it was done later.

No planes, no Arabs!

What a show.

So, you don't have an answer to my question?  Big surprise there.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on July 21, 2017, 06:01:15 AM
Wtc 1 and 2 were top down controlled demolitions, wtc 7 was a standard controlled demolition. "Exactly like we saw on TV."

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: markjo on July 21, 2017, 06:58:50 AM
Millions of people watching TV saw of course twice tops C crushing bottoms A of two NY towers on 911, but it was all CGI.
What about the people who were inside the buildings when the planes hit, left the buildings and then watched them come down?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 21, 2017, 07:12:53 AM
Millions of people watching TV saw of course twice tops C crushing bottoms A of two NY towers on 911, but it was all CGI.
What about the people who were inside the buildings when the planes hit, left the buildings and then watched them come down?

Noone was inside the buildings. Only paid actors later said they were. Part of the show. Just look at them! Actors all of them! Look at the alleged 'TV reporters' on the ground in action when ... the towers collapse from top down in the background. The background collapses are 100% CGI and the 'reporters' were just actors probably in front of a green screen. Just ask them! I link to plenty videos of these 'reporters/actors' at my site. Only twerps believe the offical story with Arabs and planes.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 21, 2017, 07:29:37 AM
Millions of people watching TV saw of course twice tops C crushing bottoms A of two NY towers on 911, but it was all CGI.
What about the people who were inside the buildings when the planes hit, left the buildings and then watched them come down?

Noone was inside the buildings. Only paid actors later said they were. Part of the show. Just look at them! Actors all of them! Look at the alleged 'TV reporters' on the ground in action when ... the towers collapse from top down in the background. The background collapses are 100% CGI and the 'reporters' were just actors probably in front of a green screen. Just ask them! I link to plenty videos of these 'reporters/actors' at my site. Only twerps believe the offical story with Arabs and planes.
That is without a doubt one of the stupidest things you've ever said.

I’m going to assume you’ve never been to NYC because your comments are just plain nonsense.

1.  It is not possible to fence off most of the financial district and nobody knows about it.  It never happened and it’s complete nonsense to say that it did.

2.  To think there were green screens and actors and millions of people not know about it is complete nonsense.

3.  Those towers could be seen from roof tops and windows all the up the island.  They could be seen from all of NY harbor.   They could be seen from Jersey City, Bayonne, and Hoboken in New Jersey.  They could be seen from Brooklyn and Governors Island in New York.  They could be seen from Ellis Island, in NJ or NY, who knows.

What you’re trying so hard to ignore and what I want you to answer is why did the millions of eye witnesses from Manhattan, Long Island, and Northern Jersey see exactly what was shown on TV.

Answer this question or admit you are wrong.

2606 people died when those towers came down and you're an idiot if you think otherwise.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 21, 2017, 08:00:39 AM
Millions of people watching TV saw of course twice tops C crushing bottoms A of two NY towers on 911, but it was all CGI.
What about the people who were inside the buildings when the planes hit, left the buildings and then watched them come down?

Noone was inside the buildings. Only paid actors later said they were. Part of the show. Just look at them! Actors all of them! Look at the alleged 'TV reporters' on the ground in action when ... the towers collapse from top down in the background. The background collapses are 100% CGI and the 'reporters' were just actors probably in front of a green screen. Just ask them! I link to plenty videos of these 'reporters/actors' at my site. Only twerps believe the offical story with Arabs and planes.
That is without a doubt one of the stupidest things you've ever said.

I’m going to assume you’ve never been to NYC because your comments are just plain nonsense.

1.  It is not possible to fence off most of the financial district and nobody knows about it.  It never happened and it’s complete nonsense to say that it did.

2.  To think there were green screens and actors and millions of people not know about it is complete nonsense.

3.  Those towers could be seen from roof tops and windows all the up the island.  They could be seen from all of NY harbor.   They could be seen from Jersey City, Bayonne, and Hoboken in New Jersey.  They could be seen from Brooklyn and Governors Island in New York.  They could be seen from Ellis Island, in NJ or NY, who knows.

What you’re trying so hard to ignore and what I want you to answer is why did the millions of eye witnesses from Manhattan, Long Island, and Northern Jersey see exactly what was shown on TV.

Answer this question or admit you are wrong.

2606 people died when those towers came down and you're an idiot if you think otherwise.

Mike

I have been in NYC several times and I have even visited the ABS office in one of the WTC towers in the early 1990's and the restaurant on the top. I already then wondered why ABS would have a little office there. The tower seemed almost empty already then. Why would ABS have an office there? All the others worked at Paramus, NJ.

The WTC area is quite small and (1) very easy to fence off.

The average Americans are not very bright (2). They believe in a-bombs frying Japanese monkies 8/45 and that strong Americans have been on the Moon 69/72 in spite of non-existing sanitary facilites. I assume (3) most of them watched TV 911 and didn't bother to look out of the windows. So there were no eye witnesses of any top-down collapses. They were propaganda ... like all monkey eyewitnesses of 1945 FLASHES at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

So MicroBrain! Go away!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 21, 2017, 08:20:19 AM
Millions of people watching TV saw of course twice tops C crushing bottoms A of two NY towers on 911, but it was all CGI.
What about the people who were inside the buildings when the planes hit, left the buildings and then watched them come down?

Noone was inside the buildings. Only paid actors later said they were. Part of the show. Just look at them! Actors all of them! Look at the alleged 'TV reporters' on the ground in action when ... the towers collapse from top down in the background. The background collapses are 100% CGI and the 'reporters' were just actors probably in front of a green screen. Just ask them! I link to plenty videos of these 'reporters/actors' at my site. Only twerps believe the offical story with Arabs and planes.
That is without a doubt one of the stupidest things you've ever said.

I’m going to assume you’ve never been to NYC because your comments are just plain nonsense.

1.  It is not possible to fence off most of the financial district and nobody knows about it.  It never happened and it’s complete nonsense to say that it did.

2.  To think there were green screens and actors and millions of people not know about it is complete nonsense.

3.  Those towers could be seen from roof tops and windows all the up the island.  They could be seen from all of NY harbor.   They could be seen from Jersey City, Bayonne, and Hoboken in New Jersey.  They could be seen from Brooklyn and Governors Island in New York.  They could be seen from Ellis Island, in NJ or NY, who knows.

What you’re trying so hard to ignore and what I want you to answer is why did the millions of eye witnesses from Manhattan, Long Island, and Northern Jersey see exactly what was shown on TV.

Answer this question or admit you are wrong.

2606 people died when those towers came down and you're an idiot if you think otherwise.

Mike

I have been in NYC several times and I have even visited the ABS office in one of the WTC towers in the 1980's and the restaurant on the top. I already then wondered why ABS would have a little office there. The tower seemed almost empty already then.

The WTC area is quite small and (1) very easy to fence off.

The average Americans are not very bright (2). They believe in a-bombs frying Japanese monkies 8/45 and that strong Americans have been on the Moon 69/72 in spite of non-existing sanitary facilites. I assume (3) most of them watched TV 911 and didn't bother to look out of the windows. So there were no eye witnesses of any top-down collapses. They were propaganda ... like all monkey eyewitnesses of 1945 FLASHES at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

So MicroBrain! Go away!
I'm not going away until you answer the question.

I never said they couldn't fence it off.  I said it was impossible to fence it off and nobody know about it.

Assuming they all watched it on TV is just plain stupid.  You obviously don't understand Americans.  Anyone who could was trying to see it live and not on TV.  Even if your ignorant comment were true that still leaves a million or more people seeing it live. 

Answer the question of admit you're wrong.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 21, 2017, 08:31:15 AM
Millions of people watching TV saw of course twice tops C crushing bottoms A of two NY towers on 911, but it was all CGI.
What about the people who were inside the buildings when the planes hit, left the buildings and then watched them come down?

Noone was inside the buildings. Only paid actors later said they were. Part of the show. Just look at them! Actors all of them! Look at the alleged 'TV reporters' on the ground in action when ... the towers collapse from top down in the background. The background collapses are 100% CGI and the 'reporters' were just actors probably in front of a green screen. Just ask them! I link to plenty videos of these 'reporters/actors' at my site. Only twerps believe the offical story with Arabs and planes.
That is without a doubt one of the stupidest things you've ever said.

I’m going to assume you’ve never been to NYC because your comments are just plain nonsense.

1.  It is not possible to fence off most of the financial district and nobody knows about it.  It never happened and it’s complete nonsense to say that it did.

2.  To think there were green screens and actors and millions of people not know about it is complete nonsense.

3.  Those towers could be seen from roof tops and windows all the up the island.  They could be seen from all of NY harbor.   They could be seen from Jersey City, Bayonne, and Hoboken in New Jersey.  They could be seen from Brooklyn and Governors Island in New York.  They could be seen from Ellis Island, in NJ or NY, who knows.

What you’re trying so hard to ignore and what I want you to answer is why did the millions of eye witnesses from Manhattan, Long Island, and Northern Jersey see exactly what was shown on TV.

Answer this question or admit you are wrong.

2606 people died when those towers came down and you're an idiot if you think otherwise.

Mike

I have been in NYC several times and I have even visited the ABS office in one of the WTC towers in the 1980's and the restaurant on the top. I already then wondered why ABS would have a little office there. The tower seemed almost empty already then.

The WTC area is quite small and (1) very easy to fence off.

The average Americans are not very bright (2). They believe in a-bombs frying Japanese monkies 8/45 and that strong Americans have been on the Moon 69/72 in spite of non-existing sanitary facilites. I assume (3) most of them watched TV 911 and didn't bother to look out of the windows. So there were no eye witnesses of any top-down collapses. They were propaganda ... like all monkey eyewitnesses of 1945 FLASHES at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

So MicroBrain! Go away!
I'm not going away until you answer the question.

I never said they couldn't fence it off.  I said it was impossible to fence it off and nobody know about it.

Assuming they all watched it on TV is just plain stupid.  You obviously don't understand Americans.  Anyone who could was trying to see it live and not on TV.  Even if your ignorant comment were true that still leaves a million or more people seeing it live. 

Answer the question of admit you're wrong.

Mike

I agree that a million or more of people could see the CGI live on TV. There is no question about it, MicroBrain. You must be suffering from cognitive dissonance. See my warning at http://heiwaco.com !
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 21, 2017, 08:38:12 AM
Millions of people watching TV saw of course twice tops C crushing bottoms A of two NY towers on 911, but it was all CGI.
What about the people who were inside the buildings when the planes hit, left the buildings and then watched them come down?

Noone was inside the buildings. Only paid actors later said they were. Part of the show. Just look at them! Actors all of them! Look at the alleged 'TV reporters' on the ground in action when ... the towers collapse from top down in the background. The background collapses are 100% CGI and the 'reporters' were just actors probably in front of a green screen. Just ask them! I link to plenty videos of these 'reporters/actors' at my site. Only twerps believe the offical story with Arabs and planes.
That is without a doubt one of the stupidest things you've ever said.

I’m going to assume you’ve never been to NYC because your comments are just plain nonsense.

1.  It is not possible to fence off most of the financial district and nobody knows about it.  It never happened and it’s complete nonsense to say that it did.

2.  To think there were green screens and actors and millions of people not know about it is complete nonsense.

3.  Those towers could be seen from roof tops and windows all the up the island.  They could be seen from all of NY harbor.   They could be seen from Jersey City, Bayonne, and Hoboken in New Jersey.  They could be seen from Brooklyn and Governors Island in New York.  They could be seen from Ellis Island, in NJ or NY, who knows.

What you’re trying so hard to ignore and what I want you to answer is why did the millions of eye witnesses from Manhattan, Long Island, and Northern Jersey see exactly what was shown on TV.

Answer this question or admit you are wrong.

2606 people died when those towers came down and you're an idiot if you think otherwise.

Mike

I have been in NYC several times and I have even visited the ABS office in one of the WTC towers in the 1980's and the restaurant on the top. I already then wondered why ABS would have a little office there. The tower seemed almost empty already then.

The WTC area is quite small and (1) very easy to fence off.

The average Americans are not very bright (2). They believe in a-bombs frying Japanese monkies 8/45 and that strong Americans have been on the Moon 69/72 in spite of non-existing sanitary facilites. I assume (3) most of them watched TV 911 and didn't bother to look out of the windows. So there were no eye witnesses of any top-down collapses. They were propaganda ... like all monkey eyewitnesses of 1945 FLASHES at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

So MicroBrain! Go away!
I'm not going away until you answer the question.

I never said they couldn't fence it off.  I said it was impossible to fence it off and nobody know about it.

Assuming they all watched it on TV is just plain stupid.  You obviously don't understand Americans.  Anyone who could was trying to see it live and not on TV.  Even if your ignorant comment were true that still leaves a million or more people seeing it live. 

Answer the question of admit you're wrong.

Mike

I agree that a million or more of people could see the CGI live on TV. There is no question about it, MicroBrain. You must be suffering from cognitive dissonance. See my warning at http://heiwaco.com !
What the matter, can't you read because that’s not what I posted?  I said millions saw it live, as it happened, not on TV. 

It’s amazing how all those things that prove your conspiracy theory wrong you just refuse to discuss.  You must have cognitive dissonance and are afraid to discuss such thing for fear of becoming ill.

Answer the question.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Kami on July 21, 2017, 08:41:05 AM
So you are saying that of the several million inhabitants of new york not a single person bothered to look at one of the most important events of the decade. This seems stupid even compared to your standards.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 21, 2017, 08:45:44 AM
So you are saying that of the several million inhabitants of new york not a single person bothered to look at one of the most important events of the decade. This seems stupid even compared to your standards.
it's an inconvenient truth that proves him wrong so he'll do his best to ignore it no matter how foolish it makes him look.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 21, 2017, 11:41:00 AM

What the matter, can't you read because that’s not what I posted?  I said millions saw it live, as it happened, not on TV. 

It’s amazing how all those things that prove your conspiracy theory wrong you just refuse to discuss.  You must have cognitive dissonance and are afraid to discuss such thing for fear of becoming ill.

Answer the question.

Mike

Evidently my scientific dynamic structural damage analysis - http://heiwaco.com/emi2013.htm - is not a conspiracy theory. A little top part C of a structure cannot crush the bottom part A by gravity, if a bit of the interface C/A is removed so that C drops on A. I am not in the creative conspiracy theory business.

The only thing that can happen is that C bounces on A.

So millions cannot have seen C crush A - twice - on 911. Whatever they saw, it was something else.

Fact remains that the complete WTC of NY was destroyed - seven buildings - and that most footage of the ruins is as unreal as the collapses itself.

We are told that WTC1 and WTC 2 were destroyed by tops C crushing bottoms A by gravity, but on all photos we see bottom four walls of the towers standing but no piles of floors and no debris whatsoever. The walls were not crushed. And the floors had disappeared.

WTC 7 was completely different - a pile of 47 intact floors on top of each other. WTC 7 was destroyed from bottom up, when the show was over.

How WTC1/2 were destroyed is not clear. The amount of dust produced during the destructions - seen by millions? - cannot be explained by a top down gravity driven collapse. Too little energy available.

I fully explain it http://heiwaco.com/nist.htm . You sound like a stupid twerp, Microbrain. Why don't you just piss off?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on July 21, 2017, 12:04:09 PM
I say we should all go to France, find Anders Bjorkman, and kick his geriatric ass up and down the Champs De Elysee.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: onebigmonkey on July 21, 2017, 12:21:32 PM
How WTC1/2 were destroyed is not clear. The amount of dust produced during the destructions - seen by millions? - cannot be explained by a top down gravity driven collapse. Too little energy available.

Crock of shit.

I've been to a controlled demolition - two power station cooling towers. We were kept some distance back but the noise from the explosive charges was still deafening, and the amount of dust produced was unbelievable.

You sound like an ignorant, senile windbag. Why don't you piss off?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 21, 2017, 12:37:19 PM

What the matter, can't you read because that’s not what I posted?  I said millions saw it live, as it happened, not on TV. 

It’s amazing how all those things that prove your conspiracy theory wrong you just refuse to discuss.  You must have cognitive dissonance and are afraid to discuss such thing for fear of becoming ill.

Answer the question.

Mike

Evidently my scientific dynamic structural damage analysis - http://heiwaco.com/emi2013.htm - is not a conspiracy theory. A little top part C of a structure cannot crush the bottom part A by gravity, if a bit of the interface C/A is removed so that C drops on A. I am not in the creative conspiracy theory business.

The only thing that can happen is that C bounces on A.

So millions cannot have seen C crush A - twice - on 911. Whatever they saw, it was something else.

Fact remains that the complete WTC of NY was destroyed - seven buildings - and that most footage of the ruins is as unreal as the collapses itself.

We are told that WTC1 and WTC 2 were destroyed by tops C crushing bottoms A by gravity, but on all photos we see bottom four walls of the towers standing but no piles of floors and no debris whatsoever. The walls were not crushed. And the floors had disappeared.

WTC 7 was completely different - a pile of 47 intact floors on top of each other. WTC 7 was destroyed from bottom up, when the show was over.

How WTC1/2 were destroyed is not clear. The amount of dust produced during the destructions - seen by millions? - cannot be explained by a top down gravity driven collapse. Too little energy available.

I fully explain it http://heiwaco.com/nist.htm . You sound like a stupid twerp, Microbrain. Why don't you just piss off?
Keep calling me names and trying to get me to leave but it just ain't gonna happen.

You keep posting everything you can to try to draw attention away from my question.  You do it because you know it proves you are wrong.

What are you afraid of? If you really believed you are right you'd answer the question.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 21, 2017, 12:39:26 PM
I say we should all go to France, find Anders Bjorkman, and kick his geriatric ass up and down the Champs De Elysee.
A couple of victims of 9/11 live in France.  I wonder what their families think about his conspiracy theory and laughing at the loss of life.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: markjo on July 21, 2017, 12:59:52 PM
I say we should all go to France, find Anders Bjorkman, and kick his geriatric ass up and down the Champs De Elysee.
A couple of victims of 9/11 live in France.  I wonder what their families think about his conspiracy theory and laughing at the loss of life.

Mike
Check me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that Anders believes that anyone died when those "fake" towers came down.  Again, just more actors in on the scam.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on July 21, 2017, 01:03:31 PM
It's one thing to deny space travel, but it's totally another to deny 3000 people dying horribly in a terrorist attack. Anders is lower than a human. He doesn't deserve to be called a human, he is a heartless nothing.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 21, 2017, 01:37:52 PM
I say we should all go to France, find Anders Bjorkman, and kick his geriatric ass up and down the Champs De Elysee.
A couple of victims of 9/11 live in France.  I wonder what their families think about his conspiracy theory and laughing at the loss of life.

Mike
Check me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that Anders believes that anyone died when those "fake" towers came down.  Again, just more actors in on the scam.
It's one thing to deny space travel, but it's totally another to deny 3000 people dying horribly in a terrorist attack. Anders is lower than a human. He doesn't deserve to be called a human, he is a heartless nothing.
Yes.  He is implying that nobody died.

The circumstances of his conspiracy theory, and it is a conspiracy theory, requires setup, fences, and pre-made video are beyond logic to believe they are true.

He says he’s been to NYC.  If true he must realize that it is impossible to “fence” off the towers for a controlled take down and nobody notice.  The very thought that this is even remotely possible is ludicrous and poorly thought through.

The idea that there wouldn’t be millions of eye witnesses is even crazier.  First of all, it is basic human nature to look and see what’s going on.  People slow down to look at the train wreck or car accident.  They certainly are going to go outdoors and see if they can see what's going on.  He has no understanding of human nature.

It’s very odd to me that in all these years none of this has occurred to him.  He certainly didn’t think his shitty theory through.  No engineer would leave big gaping holes like this in their hypothesis. 

Maybe he realizes these holes prove him wrong but is mentally incapable of admitting he’s wrong and will die with the lie.  If so I hope he gets psychiatric help soon.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: PhysicsMaster on July 21, 2017, 01:49:06 PM
People, what's your evidence that words help with the conspiracy theorists? If a person doesn't want to believe in airplanes, he can always find ridiculous excuses not to. And the same is true, if not even more, with rockets.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 21, 2017, 01:50:33 PM
Here's a link so a thread of some people who attended his "talk" in Albuquerque.

BTW, this is one of the many forums Heiwa has been banned from.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=191251&page=2

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 21, 2017, 01:53:06 PM
People, what's your evidence that words help with the conspiracy theorists? If a person doesn't want to believe in airplanes, he can always find ridiculous excuses not to. And the same is true, if not even more, with rockets.
No evidence what so ever.  AAMOF, I'm certain all this discussion will be lost on him. 

I have my own reasons for pressing him on this one issue and I won't stop unless forum staff intervenes or he actually answers my question.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 21, 2017, 01:56:43 PM
I say we should all go to France, find Anders Bjorkman, and kick his geriatric ass up and down the Champs De Elysee.
A couple of victims of 9/11 live in France.  I wonder what their families think about his conspiracy theory and laughing at the loss of life.

Mike
Check me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that Anders believes that anyone died when those "fake" towers came down.  Again, just more actors in on the scam.
It's one thing to deny space travel, but it's totally another to deny 3000 people dying horribly in a terrorist attack. Anders is lower than a human. He doesn't deserve to be called a human, he is a heartless nothing.
Yes.  He is implying that nobody died.

The circumstances of his conspiracy theory, and it is a conspiracy theory, requires setup, fences, and pre-made video are beyond logic to believe they are true.

He says he’s been to NYC.  If true he must realize that it is impossible to “fence” off the towers for a controlled take down and nobody notice.  The very thought that this is even remotely possible is ludicrous and poorly thought through.

The idea that there wouldn’t be millions of eye witnesses is even crazier.  First of all, it is basic human nature to look and see what’s going on.  People slow down to look at the train wreck or car accident.  They certainly are going to go outdoors and see if they can see what's going on.  He has no understanding of human nature.

It’s very odd to me that in all these years none of this has occurred to him.  He certainly didn’t think his shitty theory through.  No engineer would leave big gaping holes like this in their hypothesis. 

Maybe he realizes these holes prove him wrong but is mentally incapable of admitting he’s wrong and will die with the lie.  If so I hope he gets psychiatric help soon.

Mike

Well, fact remains I am not in the secret, violent conspiracy business. I work openly, peacefully with safety at sea and publish my findings under my own name + photo.
If anyone can describe a structure where top C crushes bottom A by gravity I pay that twerp €1M - http://heiwaco.com/chall1.htm !

Study the link before you reply.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 21, 2017, 02:00:22 PM
I say we should all go to France, find Anders Bjorkman, and kick his geriatric ass up and down the Champs De Elysee.
A couple of victims of 9/11 live in France.  I wonder what their families think about his conspiracy theory and laughing at the loss of life.

Mike
Check me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that Anders believes that anyone died when those "fake" towers came down.  Again, just more actors in on the scam.
It's one thing to deny space travel, but it's totally another to deny 3000 people dying horribly in a terrorist attack. Anders is lower than a human. He doesn't deserve to be called a human, he is a heartless nothing.
Yes.  He is implying that nobody died.

The circumstances of his conspiracy theory, and it is a conspiracy theory, requires setup, fences, and pre-made video are beyond logic to believe they are true.

He says he’s been to NYC.  If true he must realize that it is impossible to “fence” off the towers for a controlled take down and nobody notice.  The very thought that this is even remotely possible is ludicrous and poorly thought through.

The idea that there wouldn’t be millions of eye witnesses is even crazier.  First of all, it is basic human nature to look and see what’s going on.  People slow down to look at the train wreck or car accident.  They certainly are going to go outdoors and see if they can see what's going on.  He has no understanding of human nature.

It’s very odd to me that in all these years none of this has occurred to him.  He certainly didn’t think his shitty theory through.  No engineer would leave big gaping holes like this in their hypothesis. 

Maybe he realizes these holes prove him wrong but is mentally incapable of admitting he’s wrong and will die with the lie.  If so I hope he gets psychiatric help soon.

Mike

Well, fact remains I am not in the secret, violent conspiracy business. I work openly, peacefully with safety at sea and publish my findings under my own name + photo.
If anyone can describe a structure where top C crushes bottom A by gravity I pay that twerp €1M - http://heiwaco.com/chall1.htm !

Study the link before you reply.
I've read you crackpot conspiracy theory. 

Again, you just keep avoiding the question because it proves you wrong.

Why did the millions of eye witnesses from Manhattan, Long Island, and Northern Jersey see exactly what was shown on TV?

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 21, 2017, 02:17:39 PM
Here's a link so a thread of some people who attended his "talk" in Albuquerque.

BTW, this is one of the many forums Heiwa has been banned from.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=191251&page=2

Mike

Thanks re-read the thread from post #1.

Yes, I was a member of that forum starting exactly 10 years ago. http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=4561353#post4561353 . Suggest you re-read it to learn something.

But after a couple of years I was banned from that forum. I have forgotten why. I actually liked Dave Thomas, NMSR, for inviting me to Albuquerque, NM. Suggest you re-read bill smith's comments in the thread.

Note that posters are polite and non-violent, etc.

Visiting Albuquerque and its atomic bomb museum really convinced me that a-bombs were a hoax from the start. And I met plenty PhDs living in the Rio Grande gutter designing a-bombs, spacecrafts incl. flying saucers, etc. They were all mad!

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 21, 2017, 02:20:52 PM

I've read you crackpot conspiracy theory. 

Again, you just keep avoiding the question because it proves you wrong.

Why did the millions of eye witnesses from Manhattan, Long Island, and Northern Jersey see exactly what was shown on TV?

Mike

They just saw it on TV, MicroBrain!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 21, 2017, 02:21:04 PM
Here's a link so a thread of some people who attended his "talk" in Albuquerque.

BTW, this is one of the many forums Heiwa has been banned from.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=191251&page=2

Mike

Thanks re-read the thread from post #1.

Yes, I was a member of that forum starting exactly 10 years ago. http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=4561353#post4561353 . Suggest you re-read it to learn something.

But after a couple of years I was banned from that forum. I have forgotten why. I actually liked Dave Thomas, NMSR, for inviting me to Albuquerque, NM. Suggest you re-read bill smith's comments in the thread.

Note that posters are polite and non-violent, etc.

Visiting Albuquerque and its atomic bomb museum really convinced me that a-bombs were a hoax from the start. And I met plenty PhDs living in the Rio Grande gutter designing a-bombs, spacecrafts incl. flying saucers, etc. They were all mad!

I don't have to re-read squat.  I made no claims about the content of the thread.  It is what it is.

Yet another post where you ignore my question.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 21, 2017, 02:26:31 PM

I've read you crackpot conspiracy theory. 

Again, you just keep avoiding the question because it proves you wrong.

Why did the millions of eye witnesses from Manhattan, Long Island, and Northern Jersey see exactly what was shown on TV?

Mike

They just saw it on TV, MicroBrain!
Keep up with the name calling.

There were millions that did not see it on TV.  They witnessed it with their own eyes so that is a nonsensical answer.  Do you really think it makes sense that not one person in the NY metro area actually witnessed the towers fall?  Are you really that stupid?

Mike


Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 21, 2017, 02:33:48 PM

I've read you crackpot conspiracy theory. 

Again, you just keep avoiding the question because it proves you wrong.

Why did the millions of eye witnesses from Manhattan, Long Island, and Northern Jersey see exactly what was shown on TV?

Mike

They just saw it on TV, MicroBrain!
Keep up with the name calling.

There were millions that did not see it on TV.  They witnessed it with their own eyes so that is a nonsensical answer.  Do you really think it makes sense that not one person in the NY metro area actually witnessed the towers fall?  Are you really that stupid?

Mike

No, everyone watched the 911 show on TV. Because it didn't happen in reality. When people were watching the TV show, WTC was destroyed from bottom up locally. No Arabs, no planes.  Only stupid twerps, like you, suggest something else.

Anyway, I am not in the conspiracy business. My biz is safety at sea - http://heiwaco.com - which I understand very well.

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 21, 2017, 02:52:01 PM

I've read you crackpot conspiracy theory. 

Again, you just keep avoiding the question because it proves you wrong.

Why did the millions of eye witnesses from Manhattan, Long Island, and Northern Jersey see exactly what was shown on TV?

Mike

They just saw it on TV, MicroBrain!
Keep up with the name calling.

There were millions that did not see it on TV.  They witnessed it with their own eyes so that is a nonsensical answer.  Do you really think it makes sense that not one person in the NY metro area actually witnessed the towers fall?  Are you really that stupid?

Mike

No, everyone watched the 911 show on TV. Because it didn't happen in reality. When people were watching the TV show, WTC was destroyed from bottom up locally. No Arabs, no planes.  Only stupid twerps, like you, suggest something else.

Anyway, I am not in the conspiracy business. My biz is safety at sea - http://heiwaco.com - which I understand very well.
Wow.  You really will say any made up shit to protect you conspiracy theory. 

It is a stone cold fact that millions witnessed the towers falling.  I don't for a minute believe you believe otherwise.  I believe you would make up any lie rather than admit there is a flaw with your conspiracy theory.

Lies like this are why you have no credibility and have been banned from so many forums.

The fact that you deny the deaths is just wrong.  I don't understand how someone could be so callous.  Don't you have a shred of humanity.  Several of those that died in the WTC live in France.  If you had any balls you'd talk them.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 21, 2017, 09:51:25 PM


It is a stone cold fact that millions witnessed the towers falling.  I don't for a minute believe you believe otherwise.  I believe you would make up any lie rather than admit there is a flaw with your conspiracy theory.

Lies like this are why you have no credibility and have been banned from so many forums.

The fact that you deny the deaths is just wrong.  I don't understand how someone could be so callous.  Don't you have a shred of humanity.  Several of those that died in the WTC live in France.  If you had any balls you'd talk them.

Mike

Hm, my little contribution is only the understanding that a top C of any structure with bottom A cannot be crushed from top down by gravity. C on top cannot crush A below! It is physically impossible.
Millions of people cannot see a top C crushing bottom A.
So let's look at the footage seen live on TV again. POUFF, POUFF, POUFF. - http://heiwaco.com/pouf.htm . Is this top C destoying bottom A by gravity? Of course not.
It is a Hollywood style TV show! And then nobody dies.

My credibility is very good. There is nothing wrong with my website http://heiwaco.com . Only twerps like you think so, but you are bad at thinking. You play upset ... badly!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: PhysicsMaster on July 21, 2017, 11:46:46 PM
I think that Heiwa is suffering from the Sunk Cost Fallacy. He is probably thinking "I've spent so much time spreading bullshit. If I stop right now, it would mean I wasted my time.", instead of thinking "OK, I've learned a lot of rocket science (though I could have learned it in a less painful way), I should now do something useful with it!"
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 22, 2017, 12:33:09 AM
I think that Heiwa is suffering from the Sunk Cost Fallacy. He is probably thinking "I've spent so much time spreading bullshit. If I stop right now, it would mean I wasted my time.", instead of thinking "OK, I've learned a lot of rocket science (though I could have learned it in a less painful way), I should now do something useful with it!"
Welcome, PhysicsMaster. We need more intelligent posters here.

Why do you start with bullshit?

Aren't you interested in improved safety at sea and cleaner oceans?

I only got into this affaire by assisting USA after the US oil tanker Exxon Valdez oil spill incident in Alaska March 24 1989. USA asked United Nations International Maritime Organization, IMO, to come up with improvements to prevent it happen again. Being an expert of oil tankers and passenger ferries operations I was asked to assist and one result was that IMO approved my extremely safe oil tanker design September 1997. However, the next day USA announced that my design would not be allowed in US ports. I had worked with USCG for eight years at the IMO for better oil tanker designs and suddenly USA announced it couldn't be used ... in US waters.  It was a little strange.

In the meantime the passenger ferry Estonia sank in the Baltic 28 September 1994 killing almost 1000 persons. The same person, BS, heading the IMO better oil tanker design committee was also heading the Estonia sinking investigation. I considered him a friend.

He, BS, - supported by three governments - immediately suggested the Estonia sinking was due to heavy weather, design fault, too high speed, bla, bla, bla, ... the bow visor high above waterline had fallen off, which nobody had heard, felt or seen, and the superstructure had been filled with water, bla, bla, bla.. I knew BS well and suggested that Estonia probably sank due to leakage below waterline. BS got very upset, when I told him that! He said I didn't understand! Two years later, August 1996, I wrote an article about the Estonia incident in the biggest Swedish daily newspaper and proposed that leakage below waterline should be investigated. The reaction was amazing. Government servants told media that I was an "unscientific, unintelligent and unreasonable querulant that spreads rumours and untruths (lies) as the worst creator of conspiracy theories", bla, bla, bla. Poor BS suddenly died February 1997.

The case is still going on 2017.

Anyway, I got interested in government propaganda and Fake News and there we are today. It is not bullshit. I describe my work at http://heiwaco.com . It is very popular among concerned people. Many governments don't like it.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: onebigmonkey on July 22, 2017, 02:12:58 AM

Anyway, I am not in the conspiracy business.

uh-huh...

(http://i.imgur.com/0SBNVCD.jpg)
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 22, 2017, 04:01:37 AM

Anyway, I am not in the conspiracy business.

uh-huh...

(http://i.imgur.com/0SBNVCD.jpg)

But my web page http://heiwaco.com/911conspiracy.htm is about something completely different. It is about two reports by members of the US Congress that (1) torture is marvelous and (2) that Arabs can fly planes after a couple of hours training and destroy a small plot of land on Manhattan in minutes! I hint politely that the US senators and US congress persons concerned are not serious.

Why not link to it properly.

My business is serious safety at sea and protection of the marine environement. Of course plenty people are not interested in neither safety at sea nor protection of the marine environment but it is not the topic here.

Try to stay on topic!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: PhysicsMaster on July 22, 2017, 04:24:08 AM
Hi, Heiwa! I haven't really read the entire thread, but I've seen you support the conspiracy theories that the Moon landing was fake and some 9/11 conspiracy theory. These are crazy theories. Astronauts have left mirrors on the Moon, they are detectable by lasers, and millions of people have examined it. The 9/11 attack has had countless investigations, both governmental and non-governmental, and those investigations together have certainly involved thousands of people, all of which would have to be involved in a conspiracy. And there is no clear motive for that. Plus, if your alleged evidence, that official reports contradict the basic physics and that the photographs and videos contain obvious anomalies, was real, that would certainly require millions of people to be in a conspiracy. The biggest conspiracy ever proven to be real was Operation Snow White, involving, according to some sources, some 5000 people. And there was, unlike with your theories, a clear motive behind it (they had to destroy evidence against their religious leader).
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 22, 2017, 04:57:43 AM
Hi, Heiwa! I haven't really read the entire thread, but I've seen you support the conspiracy theories that the Moon landing was fake and some 9/11 conspiracy theory. These are crazy theories. Astronauts have left mirrors on the Moon, they are detectable by lasers, and millions of people have examined it. The 9/11 attack has had countless investigations, both governmental and non-governmental, and those investigations together have certainly involved thousands of people, all of which would have to be involved in a conspiracy. And there is no clear motive for that. Plus, if your alleged evidence, that official reports contradict the basic physics and that the photographs and videos contain obvious anomalies, was real, that would certainly require millions of people to be in a conspiracy. The biggest conspiracy ever proven to be real was Operation Snow White, involving, according to some sources, some 5000 people. And there was, unlike with your theories, a clear motive behind it (they had to destroy evidence against their religious leader).

Well, you really must study what I have found.

It is very easy to fool the world with propaganda, e.g. that US a-bombs destroyed Hiroshima and Nagasaki August 1945. Actually the Japanese towns and 60 others were destroyed several months earlier by conventional, US, napalm fire bombing raids.  It didn't impress the Japanese but ... everyone was interested to stop the war ... and it was agreed to blame it on two fantasy a-bombs. Only a few hundred people were part of the secret agreement. No conspiracy! Stalin was part of it. The first real Fake News show.

Humans in space? To keep the Stalin Communists happy they were allowed to put Gagarin in space - April 1961. A great, fake show. To allow JFK to announce that US was better and could put American (sdiots) on The Moon before 1.1.1970. 

A great show. No conspiravy. Just a few hundreds people making a movie to show on TV.

Sorry PhysicsMaster, you sound like a standard twerp shill. Just study my sebsite, copy/paste what you consider incorrect and we can discuss. It is not bullshit using your language.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 22, 2017, 04:58:19 AM


It is a stone cold fact that millions witnessed the towers falling.  I don't for a minute believe you believe otherwise.  I believe you would make up any lie rather than admit there is a flaw with your conspiracy theory.

Lies like this are why you have no credibility and have been banned from so many forums.

The fact that you deny the deaths is just wrong.  I don't understand how someone could be so callous.  Don't you have a shred of humanity.  Several of those that died in the WTC live in France.  If you had any balls you'd talk them.

Mike

Hm, my little contribution is only the understanding that a top C of any structure with bottom A cannot be crushed from top down by gravity. C on top cannot crush A below! It is physically impossible.
Millions of people cannot see a top C crushing bottom A.
So let's look at the footage seen live on TV again. POUFF, POUFF, POUFF. - http://heiwaco.com/pouf.htm . Is this top C destoying bottom A by gravity? Of course not.
It is a Hollywood style TV show! And then nobody dies.

My credibility is very good. There is nothing wrong with my website http://heiwaco.com . Only twerps like you think so, but you are bad at thinking. You play upset ... badly!
Millions did see it.  They were there and watched.  You're the one making the crazy claim that they didn't see it.  Prove it. 

They were there, they saw it, and you need to face up to the facts. 

Who knows, your premise may be right but your linear single track thinking won't let you see the possibilities. 

You'll ignore the eye witnesses because it proves you wrong.

You'll ignore the European Patent for the process to bring down buildings without weakening the structure because it proves you wrong (Link to patent (https://data.epo.org/publication-server/getpdf.jsp?pn=1082505&ki=B1&cc=EP),
 Link to video (http://)).

You'll ignore the 2606 deaths because it proves you wrong...that one I just gone get.  Don't you have a shred of decency?  What kind of person is willing to tell thousands of families that their grief isn't real and nobody died.  Wow!

Rather than trying to improve your theories, rather than find the truth, you just ignore everything it's too hard to deal with.

Apparently you don't care about the truth.  How about this for truth...visit the families in France who lost loved ones on 9/11.  Then tell us how nobody died.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: onebigmonkey on July 22, 2017, 05:17:15 AM

Anyway, I am not in the conspiracy business.

uh-huh...

(http://i.imgur.com/0SBNVCD.jpg)

But my web page is about something completely different. It is about two reports by members of the US Congress that (1) torture is marvelous and (2) that Arabs can fly planes after a couple of hours training and destroy a small plot of land on Manhattan in minutes! I hint politely that the US senators and US congress persons concerned are not serious.

Hmm...sounds like a conspiracy theory to me, given you have not proven anything of your lies about 9/11. Ergo, still a theory about an alleged conspiracy.

Quote
Why not link to it properly.

Because I don't have to, it speaks for itself, so you don't get any hits and so you can't change it.

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Try to stay on topic!

The top is "shit you don't get". You don't get that claiming you are not a conspiracy theorist but have a page on your site with one of your own shows that it's one more piece of shit you don't get,
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 22, 2017, 05:44:52 AM

Millions did see it.  They were there and watched.  You're the one making the crazy claim that they didn't see it.  Prove it. 


Yes, plenty people watched the show. Why do you suggest the opposite? But it was a show! You don't really suggest that structures of any kind can collapse by gravity from top down?

You sound like a terrorist. Ever heard of Bazant? He is a US terrorist. I describe him at my website. He is a terrible terrorist. He encourages pseudoscience of the worst Stalin style. I feel sorry for him.

You know, few people disagreed with Stalin. If you did, you were shot. No conspiracy.

MicroBrain! Why don't you just piss off?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 22, 2017, 06:37:04 AM

Millions did see it.  They were there and watched.  You're the one making the crazy claim that they didn't see it.  Prove it. 


Yes, plenty people watched the show. Why do you suggest the opposite? But it was a show! You don't really suggest that structures of any kind can collapse by gravity from top down?

I don’t just suggest it, I’m flat out saying it.  It came down from the top down as witnessed by the millions who were there.  Instead of keeping up the charade why don’t you try to get at the truth.

You sound like a terrorist. Ever heard of Bazant? He is a US terrorist. I describe him at my website. He is a terrible terrorist. He encourages pseudoscience of the worst Stalin style. I feel sorry for him.
How dare you call me a terrorist you piece of shit.  I’m a Proud American, something you'll never understand.  I served in the New Jersey Army National Guard for two years and the United States Navy for ten years.

You know, few people disagreed with Stalin. If you did, you were shot. No conspiracy.

MicroBrain! Why don't you just piss off?
You don’t get to denigrate people the way you do and get away with it.  I’m not going anywhere you small-minded, intolerant ass.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on July 22, 2017, 07:48:28 AM
Good stuff! Make sure you hold him to a point until he addresses it. Otherwise he'll try to change the topic and the conversation goes in never-ending circles with Heiwa addressing nothing and constantly spewing out the same old circle of bullshit!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 22, 2017, 08:22:59 AM
Good stuff! Make sure you hold him to a point until he addresses it. Otherwise he'll try to change the topic and the conversation goes in never-ending circles with Heiwa addressing nothing and constantly spewing out the same old circle of bullshit!
Heiwa spends a lot of time not answering questions that make him look bad.  No matter how much evidence there is he'll never admit he's wrong. 

Heiwa is incapable of keeping an open mind

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: onebigmonkey on July 22, 2017, 08:52:59 AM
Good stuff! Make sure you hold him to a point until he addresses it. Otherwise he'll try to change the topic and the conversation goes in never-ending circles with Heiwa addressing nothing and constantly spewing out the same old circle of bullshit!
Heiwa spends a lot of time not answering questions that make him look bad.  No matter how much evidence there is he'll never admit he's wrong. 

Heiwa is incapable of keeping an open mind

Mike

Which is why it is far better to just point out his lies, stupidity and trolling rather than bother trying to have a discussion with him, and as he is a trolling attention whore always edit out his links.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 22, 2017, 08:56:08 AM
Good stuff! Make sure you hold him to a point until he addresses it. Otherwise he'll try to change the topic and the conversation goes in never-ending circles with Heiwa addressing nothing and constantly spewing out the same old circle of bullshit!
Heiwa spends a lot of time not answering questions that make him look bad.  No matter how much evidence there is he'll never admit he's wrong. 

Heiwa is incapable of keeping an open mind

Mike

Which is why it is far better to just point out his lies, stupidity and trolling rather than bother trying to have a discussion with him, and as he is a trolling attention whore always edit out his links.
I've given up the possibility of rational discussion.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 22, 2017, 10:13:17 AM

I don’t just suggest it, I’m flat out saying it.  It came down from the top down as witnessed by the millions who were there.  Instead of keeping up the charade why don’t you try to get at the truth.


Well, a top C of any structure cannot crush by gravity the bottom A that keeps it up and in position. You can even drop top C on A and ... top C just bounces. Structures cannot collapse by gravity from top down ... and become dust.

So no millions being there witnessed any top down collapse ... shown live on TV. Sorry, Microbrain, you just make things up.

Why do you do it ... apart from lack of brains? Are you a supporter of terrorists? Why don't you reply simple questions?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 22, 2017, 10:35:40 AM

I don’t just suggest it, I’m flat out saying it.  It came down from the top down as witnessed by the millions who were there.  Instead of keeping up the charade why don’t you try to get at the truth.


Well, a top C of any structure cannot crush by gravity the bottom A that keeps it up and in position. You can even drop top C on A and ... top C just bounces. Structures cannot collapse by gravity from top down ... and become dust.

So no millions being there witnessed any top down collapse ... shown live on TV. Sorry, Microbrain, you just make things up.

No!  I posted what actually happened.  You invented the stupid idea that there were no eye witnesses because you lack the know how to create a workable theory that represents reality. 

Instead you came up with a theory that requires that not a single person outside in Manhattan, Jersey City, Hoboken, Bayonne, or Long Island...because what would someone be doing outside during the day?  You are really stupid if your small mind thinks anyone will believe such an ignorant claim.  You really are an idiot.

Why do you do it ... apart from lack of brains? Are you a supporter of terrorists? Why don't you reply simple questions?

I already did but as you always do, you cut that part of my post out because it makes you look bad. 

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 22, 2017, 10:45:33 AM

I don’t just suggest it, I’m flat out saying it.  It came down from the top down as witnessed by the millions who were there.  Instead of keeping up the charade why don’t you try to get at the truth.


Well, a top C of any structure cannot crush by gravity the bottom A that keeps it up and in position. You can even drop top C on A and ... top C just bounces. Structures cannot collapse by gravity from top down ... and become dust.

So no millions being there witnessed any top down collapse ... shown live on TV. Sorry, Microbrain, you just make things up.

No!  I posted what actually happened.  You invented the stupid idea that there were no eye witnesses because you lack the know how to create a workable theory that represents reality. 

Instead you came up with a theory that requires that not a single person outside in Manhattan, Jersey City, Hoboken, Bayonne, or Long Island...because what would someone be doing outside during the day?  You are really stupid if your small mind thinks anyone will believe such an ignorant claim.  You really are an idiot.

Why do you do it ... apart from lack of brains? Are you a supporter of terrorists? Why don't you reply simple questions?

I already did but as you always do, you cut that part of my post out because it makes you look bad. 

Mike

No, I just came up with the fact that no top C of any structure can crush bottom A below by gravity.

As a follow up of this finding I conclude that anyone stating having seen a top C crushing a bottom A of same structure is a simple liar. They are not part of a conspiracy. They are just lying. Or twerps say that millions of these liars exist. But twerps are twerps and cannot be trusted. You are a twerp!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 22, 2017, 10:49:13 AM

I don’t just suggest it, I’m flat out saying it.  It came down from the top down as witnessed by the millions who were there.  Instead of keeping up the charade why don’t you try to get at the truth.


Well, a top C of any structure cannot crush by gravity the bottom A that keeps it up and in position. You can even drop top C on A and ... top C just bounces. Structures cannot collapse by gravity from top down ... and become dust.

So no millions being there witnessed any top down collapse ... shown live on TV. Sorry, Microbrain, you just make things up.

No!  I posted what actually happened.  You invented the stupid idea that there were no eye witnesses because you lack the know how to create a workable theory that represents reality. 

Instead you came up with a theory that requires that not a single person outside in Manhattan, Jersey City, Hoboken, Bayonne, or Long Island...because what would someone be doing outside during the day?  You are really stupid if your small mind thinks anyone will believe such an ignorant claim.  You really are an idiot.

Why do you do it ... apart from lack of brains? Are you a supporter of terrorists? Why don't you reply simple questions?

I already did but as you always do, you cut that part of my post out because it makes you look bad. 

Mike

No, I just came up with the fact that no top C of any structure can crush bottom A below by gravity.

As a follow up of this finding I conclude that anyone stating having seen a top C crushing a bottom A of same structure is a simple liar. They are not part of a conspiracy. They are just lying. Or twerps say that millions of these liars exist. But twerps are twerps and cannot be trusted. You are a twerp!
So it's not a conspiracy but millions lied...do you actually read what you post?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 22, 2017, 11:00:35 AM

I don’t just suggest it, I’m flat out saying it.  It came down from the top down as witnessed by the millions who were there.  Instead of keeping up the charade why don’t you try to get at the truth.


Well, a top C of any structure cannot crush by gravity the bottom A that keeps it up and in position. You can even drop top C on A and ... top C just bounces. Structures cannot collapse by gravity from top down ... and become dust.

So no millions being there witnessed any top down collapse ... shown live on TV. Sorry, Microbrain, you just make things up.

No!  I posted what actually happened.  You invented the stupid idea that there were no eye witnesses because you lack the know how to create a workable theory that represents reality. 

Instead you came up with a theory that requires that not a single person outside in Manhattan, Jersey City, Hoboken, Bayonne, or Long Island...because what would someone be doing outside during the day?  You are really stupid if your small mind thinks anyone will believe such an ignorant claim.  You really are an idiot.

Why do you do it ... apart from lack of brains? Are you a supporter of terrorists? Why don't you reply simple questions?

I already did but as you always do, you cut that part of my post out because it makes you look bad. 

Mike

No, I just came up with the fact that no top C of any structure can crush bottom A below by gravity.

As a follow up of this finding I conclude that anyone stating having seen a top C crushing a bottom A of same structure is a simple liar. They are not part of a conspiracy. They are just lying. Or twerps say that millions of these liars exist. But twerps are twerps and cannot be trusted. You are a twerp!
So it's not a conspiracy but millions lied...do you actually read what you post?
No, someone just made up a story that millions saw a top C crushing bottom A. No conspiracy. There are no records that millions saw anything. FBI forgot to write down the names.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 22, 2017, 11:06:15 AM

I don’t just suggest it, I’m flat out saying it.  It came down from the top down as witnessed by the millions who were there.  Instead of keeping up the charade why don’t you try to get at the truth.


Well, a top C of any structure cannot crush by gravity the bottom A that keeps it up and in position. You can even drop top C on A and ... top C just bounces. Structures cannot collapse by gravity from top down ... and become dust.

So no millions being there witnessed any top down collapse ... shown live on TV. Sorry, Microbrain, you just make things up.

No!  I posted what actually happened.  You invented the stupid idea that there were no eye witnesses because you lack the know how to create a workable theory that represents reality. 

Instead you came up with a theory that requires that not a single person outside in Manhattan, Jersey City, Hoboken, Bayonne, or Long Island...because what would someone be doing outside during the day?  You are really stupid if your small mind thinks anyone will believe such an ignorant claim.  You really are an idiot.

Why do you do it ... apart from lack of brains? Are you a supporter of terrorists? Why don't you reply simple questions?

I already did but as you always do, you cut that part of my post out because it makes you look bad. 

Mike

No, I just came up with the fact that no top C of any structure can crush bottom A below by gravity.

As a follow up of this finding I conclude that anyone stating having seen a top C crushing a bottom A of same structure is a simple liar. They are not part of a conspiracy. They are just lying. Or twerps say that millions of these liars exist. But twerps are twerps and cannot be trusted. You are a twerp!
So it's not a conspiracy but millions lied...do you actually read what you post?
No, someone just made up a story that millions saw a top C crushing bottom A. No conspiracy. There are no records that millions saw anything. FBI forgot to write down the names.
So you think its's reasonable to say that there was nobody outside during the day in the entire NY Metro area.  That is one of the stupidest things you've said...well maybe not stupidest but pretty danged stupid.

There's a million-ish people on the streets on NYC at any give weekday.  Your comment just proves you inability to deal with reality in you conspiracy theories.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 22, 2017, 11:16:25 AM

I don’t just suggest it, I’m flat out saying it.  It came down from the top down as witnessed by the millions who were there.  Instead of keeping up the charade why don’t you try to get at the truth.


Well, a top C of any structure cannot crush by gravity the bottom A that keeps it up and in position. You can even drop top C on A and ... top C just bounces. Structures cannot collapse by gravity from top down ... and become dust.

So no millions being there witnessed any top down collapse ... shown live on TV. Sorry, Microbrain, you just make things up.

No!  I posted what actually happened.  You invented the stupid idea that there were no eye witnesses because you lack the know how to create a workable theory that represents reality. 

Instead you came up with a theory that requires that not a single person outside in Manhattan, Jersey City, Hoboken, Bayonne, or Long Island...because what would someone be doing outside during the day?  You are really stupid if your small mind thinks anyone will believe such an ignorant claim.  You really are an idiot.

Why do you do it ... apart from lack of brains? Are you a supporter of terrorists? Why don't you reply simple questions?

I already did but as you always do, you cut that part of my post out because it makes you look bad. 

Mike

No, I just came up with the fact that no top C of any structure can crush bottom A below by gravity.

As a follow up of this finding I conclude that anyone stating having seen a top C crushing a bottom A of same structure is a simple liar. They are not part of a conspiracy. They are just lying. Or twerps say that millions of these liars exist. But twerps are twerps and cannot be trusted. You are a twerp!
So it's not a conspiracy but millions lied...do you actually read what you post?
No, someone just made up a story that millions saw a top C crushing bottom A. No conspiracy. There are no records that millions saw anything. FBI forgot to write down the names.
So you think its's reasonable to say that there was nobody outside during the day in the entire NY Metro area.  That is one of the stupidest things you've said...well maybe not stupidest but pretty danged stupid.

There's a million-ish people on the streets on NYC at any give weekday.  Your comment just proves you inability to deal with reality in you conspiracy theories.

Mike

Well, what I say at my website is that a top C of any structure cannot crush bottom A below, even if you drop C on A. C always bounces on A and there may local damages at the interface C/A. But C cannot crush A into dust!

I have been told that you could see on TV that on 9.11 2001 two towers in NY were destroyed that way in spite of my findings.

So I have of course looked at recordings of the famous tops C crush bottoms A at NY and found that the recordings are fake! Simple Hollywood CGI. I assume the terrorists made the fake footage so they could blame the destructions on some Arabs and planes. A conspiracy!

But my business is structural safety, mainly of ships. Interesting stuff.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 22, 2017, 11:21:43 AM

I don’t just suggest it, I’m flat out saying it.  It came down from the top down as witnessed by the millions who were there.  Instead of keeping up the charade why don’t you try to get at the truth.


Well, a top C of any structure cannot crush by gravity the bottom A that keeps it up and in position. You can even drop top C on A and ... top C just bounces. Structures cannot collapse by gravity from top down ... and become dust.

So no millions being there witnessed any top down collapse ... shown live on TV. Sorry, Microbrain, you just make things up.

No!  I posted what actually happened.  You invented the stupid idea that there were no eye witnesses because you lack the know how to create a workable theory that represents reality. 

Instead you came up with a theory that requires that not a single person outside in Manhattan, Jersey City, Hoboken, Bayonne, or Long Island...because what would someone be doing outside during the day?  You are really stupid if your small mind thinks anyone will believe such an ignorant claim.  You really are an idiot.

Why do you do it ... apart from lack of brains? Are you a supporter of terrorists? Why don't you reply simple questions?

I already did but as you always do, you cut that part of my post out because it makes you look bad. 

Mike

No, I just came up with the fact that no top C of any structure can crush bottom A below by gravity.

As a follow up of this finding I conclude that anyone stating having seen a top C crushing a bottom A of same structure is a simple liar. They are not part of a conspiracy. They are just lying. Or twerps say that millions of these liars exist. But twerps are twerps and cannot be trusted. You are a twerp!
So it's not a conspiracy but millions lied...do you actually read what you post?
No, someone just made up a story that millions saw a top C crushing bottom A. No conspiracy. There are no records that millions saw anything. FBI forgot to write down the names.
So you think its's reasonable to say that there was nobody outside during the day in the entire NY Metro area.  That is one of the stupidest things you've said...well maybe not stupidest but pretty danged stupid.

There's a million-ish people on the streets on NYC at any give weekday.  Your comment just proves you inability to deal with reality in you conspiracy theories.

Mike

Well, what I say at my website is that a top C of any structure cannot crush bottom A below, even if you drop C on A. C always bounces on A and there may local damages at the interface C/A. But C cannot crush A into dust!

I have been told that you could see on TV that on 9.11 2001 two towers in NY were destroyed that way in spite of my findings.

So I have of course looked at recordings of the famous tops C crush bottoms A at NY and found that the recordings are fake! Simple Hollywood CGI. I assume the terrorists made the fake footage so they could blame the destructions on some Arabs and planes. A conspiracy!

But my business is structural safety, mainly of ships. Interesting stuff.
Yeah, just keep posting the same crap over and over again.  It's not going to make your ignorant idea that nobody saw the towers come down go away.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 22, 2017, 11:33:20 AM

I don’t just suggest it, I’m flat out saying it.  It came down from the top down as witnessed by the millions who were there.  Instead of keeping up the charade why don’t you try to get at the truth.


Well, a top C of any structure cannot crush by gravity the bottom A that keeps it up and in position. You can even drop top C on A and ... top C just bounces. Structures cannot collapse by gravity from top down ... and become dust.

So no millions being there witnessed any top down collapse ... shown live on TV. Sorry, Microbrain, you just make things up.

No!  I posted what actually happened.  You invented the stupid idea that there were no eye witnesses because you lack the know how to create a workable theory that represents reality. 

Instead you came up with a theory that requires that not a single person outside in Manhattan, Jersey City, Hoboken, Bayonne, or Long Island...because what would someone be doing outside during the day?  You are really stupid if your small mind thinks anyone will believe such an ignorant claim.  You really are an idiot.

Why do you do it ... apart from lack of brains? Are you a supporter of terrorists? Why don't you reply simple questions?

I already did but as you always do, you cut that part of my post out because it makes you look bad. 

Mike

No, I just came up with the fact that no top C of any structure can crush bottom A below by gravity.

As a follow up of this finding I conclude that anyone stating having seen a top C crushing a bottom A of same structure is a simple liar. They are not part of a conspiracy. They are just lying. Or twerps say that millions of these liars exist. But twerps are twerps and cannot be trusted. You are a twerp!
So it's not a conspiracy but millions lied...do you actually read what you post?
No, someone just made up a story that millions saw a top C crushing bottom A. No conspiracy. There are no records that millions saw anything. FBI forgot to write down the names.
So you think its's reasonable to say that there was nobody outside during the day in the entire NY Metro area.  That is one of the stupidest things you've said...well maybe not stupidest but pretty danged stupid.

There's a million-ish people on the streets on NYC at any give weekday.  Your comment just proves you inability to deal with reality in you conspiracy theories.

Mike

Well, what I say at my website is that a top C of any structure cannot crush bottom A below, even if you drop C on A. C always bounces on A and there may local damages at the interface C/A. But C cannot crush A into dust!

I have been told that you could see on TV that on 9.11 2001 two towers in NY were destroyed that way in spite of my findings.

So I have of course looked at recordings of the famous tops C crush bottoms A at NY and found that the recordings are fake! Simple Hollywood CGI. I assume the terrorists made the fake footage so they could blame the destructions on some Arabs and planes. A conspiracy!

But my business is structural safety, mainly of ships. Interesting stuff.
Yeah, just keep posting the same crap over and over again.  It's not going to make your ignorant idea that nobody saw the towers come down go away.

Mike

But all footage of the destructions show clearly that tops C just disappear first - they are compressed into nothing - and then that intact floors of bottom A explodes into dust starting from the top. It has nothing to do with a top C crushes bottom A collapse!

Plenty people may have seen how intact floors of bottom A exploded, when the towers were destroyed from top down.

I doubt any person saw top C crush bottom A.

Why do you get so upset about my finding? Aren't you interested in structural safety.

Or do you think surrounding a structure with soldiers to secure it, makes it any safer Department of Homeland Security style.

Sorry, you have completely misunderstood what safety is and what I work with. You are a simple twerp!

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 22, 2017, 11:34:53 AM

I don’t just suggest it, I’m flat out saying it.  It came down from the top down as witnessed by the millions who were there.  Instead of keeping up the charade why don’t you try to get at the truth.


Well, a top C of any structure cannot crush by gravity the bottom A that keeps it up and in position. You can even drop top C on A and ... top C just bounces. Structures cannot collapse by gravity from top down ... and become dust.

So no millions being there witnessed any top down collapse ... shown live on TV. Sorry, Microbrain, you just make things up.

No!  I posted what actually happened.  You invented the stupid idea that there were no eye witnesses because you lack the know how to create a workable theory that represents reality. 

Instead you came up with a theory that requires that not a single person outside in Manhattan, Jersey City, Hoboken, Bayonne, or Long Island...because what would someone be doing outside during the day?  You are really stupid if your small mind thinks anyone will believe such an ignorant claim.  You really are an idiot.

Why do you do it ... apart from lack of brains? Are you a supporter of terrorists? Why don't you reply simple questions?

I already did but as you always do, you cut that part of my post out because it makes you look bad. 

Mike

No, I just came up with the fact that no top C of any structure can crush bottom A below by gravity.

As a follow up of this finding I conclude that anyone stating having seen a top C crushing a bottom A of same structure is a simple liar. They are not part of a conspiracy. They are just lying. Or twerps say that millions of these liars exist. But twerps are twerps and cannot be trusted. You are a twerp!
So it's not a conspiracy but millions lied...do you actually read what you post?
No, someone just made up a story that millions saw a top C crushing bottom A. No conspiracy. There are no records that millions saw anything. FBI forgot to write down the names.
So you think its's reasonable to say that there was nobody outside during the day in the entire NY Metro area.  That is one of the stupidest things you've said...well maybe not stupidest but pretty danged stupid.

There's a million-ish people on the streets on NYC at any give weekday.  Your comment just proves you inability to deal with reality in you conspiracy theories.

Mike

Well, what I say at my website is that a top C of any structure cannot crush bottom A below, even if you drop C on A. C always bounces on A and there may local damages at the interface C/A. But C cannot crush A into dust!

I have been told that you could see on TV that on 9.11 2001 two towers in NY were destroyed that way in spite of my findings.

So I have of course looked at recordings of the famous tops C crush bottoms A at NY and found that the recordings are fake! Simple Hollywood CGI. I assume the terrorists made the fake footage so they could blame the destructions on some Arabs and planes. A conspiracy!

But my business is structural safety, mainly of ships. Interesting stuff.
Yeah, just keep posting the same crap over and over again.  It's not going to make your ignorant idea that nobody saw the towers come down go away.

Mike

But all footage of the destructions show clearly that tops C just disappear first - they are compressed into nothing - and then that intact floors of bottom A explodes into dust starting from the top. It has nothing to do with a top C crushes bottom A collapse!

Plenty people may have seen how intact floors of bottom A exploded, when the towers were destroyed from top down.

I doubt any person saw top C crush bottom A.

Why do you get so upset about my finding? Aren't you interested in structural safety.

Or do you think surrounding a structure with soldiers to secure it, makes it any safer Department of Homeland Security style.

Sorry, you have completely misunderstood what safety is and what I work with. You are a simple twerp!
Millions saw it and your suffering from dementia if you believe otherwise.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 22, 2017, 11:46:02 AM

Millions saw it and your suffering from dementia if you believe otherwise.

Mike

No, millions didn't see tops C crushing bottoms A. Reason is that top C cannot crush A.

just watch any footage of the destructions. No tops C visible anywhere crushing anything! Only terrorists believe tops C can crush bottoms A. You sound like a desperate terrorist.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 22, 2017, 11:52:55 AM

Millions saw it and your suffering from dementia if you believe otherwise.

Mike

No, millions didn't see tops C crushing bottoms A. Reason is that top C cannot crush A.

just watch any footage of the destructions. No tops C visible anywhere crushing anything! Only terrorists believe tops C can crush bottoms A. You sound like a desperate terrorist.
Millions saw it.  Learn to deal with it. 

Your simple mind can't figure out how to deal with the fact that it disproves your little conspiracy theory so you just deny anyone could have been outside during the collapse. 

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 22, 2017, 11:55:28 AM

Millions saw it and your suffering from dementia if you believe otherwise.

Mike

No, millions didn't see tops C crushing bottoms A. Reason is that top C cannot crush A.

just watch any footage of the destructions. No tops C visible anywhere crushing anything! Only terrorists believe tops C can crush bottoms A. You sound like a desperate terrorist.
Millions saw it.  Learn to deal with it. 

Your simple mind can't figure out how to deal with the fact that it disproves your little conspiracy theory so you just deny anyone could have been outside during the collapse. 

Mike

No, millions didn't see any tops C crush bottoms A of any towers on 9/11 2001 at NY. Only terrorists say so.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 22, 2017, 12:05:05 PM

Millions saw it and your suffering from dementia if you believe otherwise.

Mike

No, millions didn't see tops C crushing bottoms A. Reason is that top C cannot crush A.

just watch any footage of the destructions. No tops C visible anywhere crushing anything! Only terrorists believe tops C can crush bottoms A. You sound like a desperate terrorist.
Millions saw it.  Learn to deal with it. 

Your simple mind can't figure out how to deal with the fact that it disproves your little conspiracy theory so you just deny anyone could have been outside during the collapse. 

Mike

No, millions didn't see any tops C crush bottoms A of any towers on 9/11 2001 at NY. Only terrorists say so.
Do you really think you can get me to back off my calling me a terrorist or microbrain?  The answer is NO!

You're the small minded liar who can't see the truth right in front of him.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Badxtoss on July 22, 2017, 12:06:11 PM

Millions saw it and your suffering from dementia if you believe otherwise.

Mike

No, millions didn't see tops C crushing bottoms A. Reason is that top C cannot crush A.

just watch any footage of the destructions. No tops C visible anywhere crushing anything! Only terrorists believe tops C can crush bottoms A. You sound like a desperate terrorist.
Millions saw it.  Learn to deal with it. 

Your simple mind can't figure out how to deal with the fact that it disproves your little conspiracy theory so you just deny anyone could have been outside during the collapse. 

Mike
That's what it is.  His mind is too small to wrap it around the fact that he is wrong.  He is literally too stupid to see it.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 22, 2017, 12:24:10 PM

Millions saw it and your suffering from dementia if you believe otherwise.

Mike

No, millions didn't see tops C crushing bottoms A. Reason is that top C cannot crush A.

just watch any footage of the destructions. No tops C visible anywhere crushing anything! Only terrorists believe tops C can crush bottoms A. You sound like a desperate terrorist.
Millions saw it.  Learn to deal with it. 

Your simple mind can't figure out how to deal with the fact that it disproves your little conspiracy theory so you just deny anyone could have been outside during the collapse. 

Mike
That's what it is.  His mind is too small to wrap it around the fact that he is wrong.  He is literally too stupid to see it.
You are right.  He would rather make up the most implausible lie rather than admit he's wrong.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on July 22, 2017, 12:37:56 PM

Millions saw it and your suffering from dementia if you believe otherwise.

Mike

No, millions didn't see tops C crushing bottoms A. Reason is that top C cannot crush A.

just watch any footage of the destructions. No tops C visible anywhere crushing anything! Only terrorists believe tops C can crush bottoms A. You sound like a desperate terrorist.
Millions saw it.  Learn to deal with it. 

Your simple mind can't figure out how to deal with the fact that it disproves your little conspiracy theory so you just deny anyone could have been outside during the collapse. 

Mike
That's what it is.  His mind is too small to wrap it around the fact that he is wrong.  He is literally too stupid to see it.
You are right.  He would rather make up the most implausible lie rather than admit he's wrong.

Mike

Or simply call anyone who doesn't believe his lies ('most everyone)a twerp. As if that proves anything!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 22, 2017, 12:42:27 PM

Millions saw it and your suffering from dementia if you believe otherwise.

Mike

No, millions didn't see tops C crushing bottoms A. Reason is that top C cannot crush A.

just watch any footage of the destructions. No tops C visible anywhere crushing anything! Only terrorists believe tops C can crush bottoms A. You sound like a desperate terrorist.
Millions saw it.  Learn to deal with it. 

Your simple mind can't figure out how to deal with the fact that it disproves your little conspiracy theory so you just deny anyone could have been outside during the collapse. 

Mike
That's what it is.  His mind is too small to wrap it around the fact that he is wrong.  He is literally too stupid to see it.
You are right.  He would rather make up the most implausible lie rather than admit he's wrong.

Mike

Or simply call anyone who doesn't believe his lies ('most everyone)a twerp. As if that proves anything!
Or a microbrain, or terrorist...ok that last one pissed me off a little.  It's the only way he can think of to try to get people to leave him alone so he could post what ever bat shit crazy conspiracy theories he wants.  Plus, he likes to think he sounds superior to everyone else and posting questions that he can't answer make him mad...as does calling him a conspiracy theorist.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Badxtoss on July 22, 2017, 02:24:16 PM

Millions saw it and your suffering from dementia if you believe otherwise.

Mike

No, millions didn't see tops C crushing bottoms A. Reason is that top C cannot crush A.

just watch any footage of the destructions. No tops C visible anywhere crushing anything! Only terrorists believe tops C can crush bottoms A. You sound like a desperate terrorist.
Millions saw it.  Learn to deal with it. 

Your simple mind can't figure out how to deal with the fact that it disproves your little conspiracy theory so you just deny anyone could have been outside during the collapse. 

Mike
That's what it is.  His mind is too small to wrap it around the fact that he is wrong.  He is literally too stupid to see it.
You are right.  He would rather make up the most implausible lie rather than admit he's wrong.

Mike
I've often wondered if there isn't some psychological condition were his brain actually can't accept being wrong.  I mean not just stupid and arrogant but literally can't see the possibility so his brain makes up stuff to prove to itself he is right.  Regardless of how crazy said stuf is it makes more sense to him than being wrong.  Just something I've wondered about.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on July 22, 2017, 02:45:32 PM

Millions saw it and your suffering from dementia if you believe otherwise.

Mike

No, millions didn't see tops C crushing bottoms A. Reason is that top C cannot crush A.

just watch any footage of the destructions. No tops C visible anywhere crushing anything! Only terrorists believe tops C can crush bottoms A. You sound like a desperate terrorist.
Millions saw it.  Learn to deal with it. 

Your simple mind can't figure out how to deal with the fact that it disproves your little conspiracy theory so you just deny anyone could have been outside during the collapse. 

Mike
That's what it is.  His mind is too small to wrap it around the fact that he is wrong.  He is literally too stupid to see it.
You are right.  He would rather make up the most implausible lie rather than admit he's wrong.

Mike
I've often wondered if there isn't some psychological condition were his brain actually can't accept being wrong.  I mean not just stupid and arrogant but literally can't see the possibility so his brain makes up stuff to prove to itself he is right.  Regardless of how crazy said stuf is it makes more sense to him than being wrong.  Just something I've wondered about.

Narcissistic  Personality Disorder?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 22, 2017, 03:26:43 PM

Millions saw it and your suffering from dementia if you believe otherwise.

Mike

No, millions didn't see tops C crushing bottoms A. Reason is that top C cannot crush A.

just watch any footage of the destructions. No tops C visible anywhere crushing anything! Only terrorists believe tops C can crush bottoms A. You sound like a desperate terrorist.
Millions saw it.  Learn to deal with it. 

Your simple mind can't figure out how to deal with the fact that it disproves your little conspiracy theory so you just deny anyone could have been outside during the collapse. 

Mike
That's what it is.  His mind is too small to wrap it around the fact that he is wrong.  He is literally too stupid to see it.
You are right.  He would rather make up the most implausible lie rather than admit he's wrong.

Mike
I've often wondered if there isn't some psychological condition were his brain actually can't accept being wrong.  I mean not just stupid and arrogant but literally can't see the possibility so his brain makes up stuff to prove to itself he is right.  Regardless of how crazy said stuf is it makes more sense to him than being wrong.  Just something I've wondered about.

Narcissistic  Personality Disorder?
That's one way to put it.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: markjo on July 22, 2017, 03:55:09 PM

Millions saw it and your suffering from dementia if you believe otherwise.

Mike

No, millions didn't see tops C crushing bottoms A. Reason is that top C cannot crush A.

just watch any footage of the destructions. No tops C visible anywhere crushing anything! Only terrorists believe tops C can crush bottoms A. You sound like a desperate terrorist.
Millions saw it.  Learn to deal with it. 

Your simple mind can't figure out how to deal with the fact that it disproves your little conspiracy theory so you just deny anyone could have been outside during the collapse. 

Mike
That's what it is.  His mind is too small to wrap it around the fact that he is wrong.  He is literally too stupid to see it.
You are right.  He would rather make up the most implausible lie rather than admit he's wrong.

Mike
I've often wondered if there isn't some psychological condition were his brain actually can't accept being wrong.  I mean not just stupid and arrogant but literally can't see the possibility so his brain makes up stuff to prove to itself he is right.  Regardless of how crazy said stuf is it makes more sense to him than being wrong.  Just something I've wondered about.

Narcissistic  Personality Disorder?
That's one way to put it.
Dunning-Kruger is another way.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 22, 2017, 03:59:56 PM

Millions saw it and your suffering from dementia if you believe otherwise.

Mike

No, millions didn't see tops C crushing bottoms A. Reason is that top C cannot crush A.

just watch any footage of the destructions. No tops C visible anywhere crushing anything! Only terrorists believe tops C can crush bottoms A. You sound like a desperate terrorist.
Millions saw it.  Learn to deal with it. 

Your simple mind can't figure out how to deal with the fact that it disproves your little conspiracy theory so you just deny anyone could have been outside during the collapse. 

Mike
That's what it is.  His mind is too small to wrap it around the fact that he is wrong.  He is literally too stupid to see it.
You are right.  He would rather make up the most implausible lie rather than admit he's wrong.

Mike
I've often wondered if there isn't some psychological condition were his brain actually can't accept being wrong.  I mean not just stupid and arrogant but literally can't see the possibility so his brain makes up stuff to prove to itself he is right.  Regardless of how crazy said stuf is it makes more sense to him than being wrong.  Just something I've wondered about.

Narcissistic  Personality Disorder?
That's one way to put it.
Dunning-Kruger is another way.
It certainly fits...okay, I had to look that up.  :D
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: frenat on July 22, 2017, 04:01:34 PM

Millions saw it and your suffering from dementia if you believe otherwise.

Mike

No, millions didn't see tops C crushing bottoms A. Reason is that top C cannot crush A.

just watch any footage of the destructions. No tops C visible anywhere crushing anything! Only terrorists believe tops C can crush bottoms A. You sound like a desperate terrorist.
Millions saw it.  Learn to deal with it. 

Your simple mind can't figure out how to deal with the fact that it disproves your little conspiracy theory so you just deny anyone could have been outside during the collapse. 

Mike
That's what it is.  His mind is too small to wrap it around the fact that he is wrong.  He is literally too stupid to see it.
You are right.  He would rather make up the most implausible lie rather than admit he's wrong.

Mike
I've often wondered if there isn't some psychological condition were his brain actually can't accept being wrong.  I mean not just stupid and arrogant but literally can't see the possibility so his brain makes up stuff to prove to itself he is right.  Regardless of how crazy said stuf is it makes more sense to him than being wrong.  Just something I've wondered about.

Narcissistic  Personality Disorder?
That's one way to put it.
Dunning-Kruger is another way.
Plus pathological liar and probably a good dose of senility.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Badxtoss on July 22, 2017, 09:06:14 PM

Millions saw it and your suffering from dementia if you believe otherwise.

Mike

No, millions didn't see tops C crushing bottoms A. Reason is that top C cannot crush A.

just watch any footage of the destructions. No tops C visible anywhere crushing anything! Only terrorists believe tops C can crush bottoms A. You sound like a desperate terrorist.
Millions saw it.  Learn to deal with it. 

Your simple mind can't figure out how to deal with the fact that it disproves your little conspiracy theory so you just deny anyone could have been outside during the collapse. 

Mike
That's what it is.  His mind is too small to wrap it around the fact that he is wrong.  He is literally too stupid to see it.
You are right.  He would rather make up the most implausible lie rather than admit he's wrong.

Mike
I've often wondered if there isn't some psychological condition were his brain actually can't accept being wrong.  I mean not just stupid and arrogant but literally can't see the possibility so his brain makes up stuff to prove to itself he is right.  Regardless of how crazy said stuf is it makes more sense to him than being wrong.  Just something I've wondered about.

Narcissistic  Personality Disorder?
That's one way to put it.
Dunning-Kruger is another way.
I think that comes into play but I really think he is delusional.  It makes more sense to his brain that nobody in New York looked out their window on 911 than that he be wrong.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Bullwinkle on July 22, 2017, 09:33:47 PM
I think he is thoroughly bored and just fucking with us.

There is a pattern. Things slow down and then he adds some inane BS to stir the pot.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Badxtoss on July 22, 2017, 09:40:38 PM
I think he is thoroughly bored and just fucking with us.

There is a pattern. Things slow down and then he adds some inane BS to stir the pot.
Given his last line of bs I'm starting to come to that conclusion as well
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 22, 2017, 11:48:37 PM
I think he is thoroughly bored and just fucking with us.

There is a pattern. Things slow down and then he adds some inane BS to stir the pot.

No, I am not bored at all! I am busy with a lot of interesting things.

Only a few minutes/day I use to improve http://heiwaco.com and:

Quote
"My proven facts are simple and correct news and no crazy conspiracy theories. Atomic bombs do not work. Human beings cannot travel to the Moon or in space. M/S Estonia didn't lose its bow visor and skyscrapers do not collapse from top down. All official theories or information to the contrary are propaganda, lies or fantasy theories invented by particular political interests promoted by media."

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Bullwinkle on July 22, 2017, 11:54:25 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/92jobM7.jpg)
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: markjo on July 23, 2017, 11:12:04 AM
I think he is thoroughly bored and just fucking with us.

There is a pattern. Things slow down and then he adds some inane BS to stir the pot.

No, I am not bored at all! I am busy with a lot of interesting things.

Only a few minutes/day I use to improve http://heiwaco.com and:

Quote
"My proven facts are simple and correct news and no crazy conspiracy theories. Atomic bombs do not work. Human beings cannot travel to the Moon or in space. M/S Estonia didn't lose its bow visor and skyscrapers do not collapse from top down. All official theories or information to the contrary are propaganda, lies or fantasy theories invented by particular political interests promoted by media."
Do you even know what "conspiracy theory" means?

Quote from: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conspiracy%20theory
Definition of conspiracy theory

    :  a theory that explains an event or set of circumstances as the result of a secret plot by usually powerful conspirators
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 23, 2017, 12:06:42 PM
I think he is thoroughly bored and just fucking with us.

There is a pattern. Things slow down and then he adds some inane BS to stir the pot.

No, I am not bored at all! I am busy with a lot of interesting things.

Only a few minutes/day I use to improve http://heiwaco.com and:

Quote
"My proven facts are simple and correct news and no crazy conspiracy theories. Atomic bombs do not work. Human beings cannot travel to the Moon or in space. M/S Estonia didn't lose its bow visor and skyscrapers do not collapse from top down. All official theories or information to the contrary are propaganda, lies or fantasy theories invented by particular political interests promoted by media."
Do you even know what "conspiracy theory" means?

Quote from: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conspiracy%20theory
Definition of conspiracy theory

    :  a theory that explains an event or set of circumstances as the result of a secret plot by usually powerful conspirators
Whether he knows the definition or not, he doesn't have the balls to admit he is a conspiracy theorist. 
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 23, 2017, 12:18:34 PM
I think he is thoroughly bored and just fucking with us.

There is a pattern. Things slow down and then he adds some inane BS to stir the pot.

No, I am not bored at all! I am busy with a lot of interesting things.

Only a few minutes/day I use to improve http://heiwaco.com and:

Quote
"My proven facts are simple and correct news and no crazy conspiracy theories. Atomic bombs do not work. Human beings cannot travel to the Moon or in space. M/S Estonia didn't lose its bow visor and skyscrapers do not collapse from top down. All official theories or information to the contrary are propaganda, lies or fantasy theories invented by particular political interests promoted by media."
Do you even know what "conspiracy theory" means?

Quote from: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conspiracy%20theory
Definition of conspiracy theory

    :  a theory that explains an event or set of circumstances as the result of a secret plot by usually powerful conspirators
Thanks for asking a question. Why do you ask stupid questions all the time?

Are a-bombs not working a conspiracy theory, i.e. a secret plot, bla, bla, bla? No, that a-bombs work is a theory that is believed as result of a secret plot by usually powerful conspirators. I agree! I thus suggest a-bombs do not work and show why at my website.

Is human beings not on the Moon a conspiracy theory, i.e. a secret plot, bla, bla, bla? No, that Americans have been on the Moon is a theory that is believed as result of a secret plot by usually powerful conspirators. I agree! I just suggest no Americans have ever been on the Moon. It was done in a Hollywood studio! It is not a conspiracy. It is show biz.

I just peacefully promote my ideas, basically about safety at sea, fully explained at http://heiwaco.com . Then plenty sick, mentally damaged, anonymous twerps like you attack me on the Internet in different ways.

Why not? If you are a sick, mentally damaged, anonymous twerp, who likes to attack people on the Internet, go ahead. Do you feel better?

Just avoid me, if we meet in the street. Cross to the other side or better, turn and run away.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Sentinel on July 23, 2017, 12:22:30 PM
Just to crop a feel, Heiwa: Why would you think A-bombs don't work?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 23, 2017, 12:28:57 PM
Just to crop a feel, Heiwa: Why would you think A-bombs don't work?
Fission doesn't work in a FLASH! . Study http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on July 23, 2017, 12:57:21 PM
Just to crop a feel, Heiwa: Why would you think A-bombs don't work?
Fission doesn't work in a FLASH! . Study http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm

To paraphrase, the reason I think A-bombs don't work is because they don't work! If you can't follow that line of reasoning you must be a twerp!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Dinosaur Neil on July 23, 2017, 01:56:40 PM
Just to crop a feel, Heiwa: Why would you think A-bombs don't work?

Didn't you know this? Let me enlighten you - it's hilarious.
Heiwa wanted to see a bomb go off for himself, because he didn't believe it without evidence of his own eyes. So he asked the French government to detonate one on the Swiss border so he could see it. Astonishingly, they refused to do so. Thus, Heiwa concluded that A bombs cannot possibly be real - they'd have demonstrated one for him if they were.
 ;D
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Badxtoss on July 23, 2017, 02:15:30 PM
Just to crop a feel, Heiwa: Why would you think A-bombs don't work?

Didn't you know this? Let me enlighten you - it's hilarious.
Heiwa wanted to see a bomb go off for himself, because he didn't believe it without evidence of his own eyes. So he asked the French government to detonate one on the Swiss border so he could see it. Astonishingly, they refused to do so. Thus, Heiwa concluded that A bombs cannot possibly be real - they'd have demonstrated one for him if they were.
 ;D
Also when he was ten a physicist refused to give him a detailed explanation for how the work so it must be fake.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Kami on July 23, 2017, 03:09:27 PM
Just to crop a feel, Heiwa: Why would you think A-bombs don't work?

Didn't you know this? Let me enlighten you - it's hilarious.
Heiwa wanted to see a bomb go off for himself, because he didn't believe it without evidence of his own eyes. So he asked the French government to detonate one on the Swiss border so he could see it. Astonishingly, they refused to do so. Thus, Heiwa concluded that A bombs cannot possibly be real - they'd have demonstrated one for him if they were.
 ;D
Also when he was ten a physicist refused to give him a detailed explanation for how the work so it must be fake.
To be fair, he still is unable to understand it...
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 23, 2017, 03:15:59 PM
Just to crop a feel, Heiwa: Why would you think A-bombs don't work?

Didn't you know this? Let me enlighten you - it's hilarious.
Heiwa wanted to see a bomb go off for himself, because he didn't believe it without evidence of his own eyes. So he asked the French government to detonate one on the Swiss border so he could see it. Astonishingly, they refused to do so. Thus, Heiwa concluded that A bombs cannot possibly be real - they'd have demonstrated one for him if they were.
 ;D
That can't be true....

Wait, can it be true?

Oh Com'On.....
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 23, 2017, 04:03:17 PM
So how do you make an a-bomb explode? Fission?

But fission is slow and works only in nuclear power plants and similar. Moderated neutrons are permitted to fission uranium atoms. It goes slowly! Temperatures are very low. Water boils under pressure.

A-bomb fission is very, very fast according to some 'experts'. You have two pieces of solid uranium metal of about 30 kg each. And then you bring them together, so they make up a 'critical mass' of about 60 kg. You also ensure that there is a free neutron in between.

And what happens then?

Yes!

FLASH!

It explodes at the speed of light. Billions of atoms fission in nano-seconds liberating energy at 100 000 000 000 000 000C!

But do not worry. Only twerps believe it!



Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 23, 2017, 04:39:41 PM
So how do you make an a-bomb explode? Fission?

But fission is slow and works only in nuclear power plants and similar. Moderated neutrons are permitted to fission uranium atoms. It goes slowly! Temperatures are very low. Water boils under pressure.

A-bomb fission is very, very fast according to some 'experts'. You have two pieces of solid uranium metal of about 30 kg each. And then you bring them together, so they make up a 'critical mass' of about 60 kg. You also ensure that there is a free neutron in between.

And what happens then?

Yes!

FLASH!

It explodes at the speed of light. Billions of atoms fission in nano-seconds liberating energy at 100 000 000 000 000 000C!

But do not worry. Only twerps believe it!
You are wrong.  Fission is not slow.  It is controlled (slowed down may be easier for you to understand) by the control rods.  ANY nuclear reactor can go prompt critical (criticality on fast neutrons from initial fission, aka prompt neutrons) if the rods are pulled fast enough.  Not as fast as in a nuclear weapon. 

We already covered this and you admitted that fast fission does work so why the reversal.

BTW, 100 000 000 000 000 000C is about twelve orders of magnitude hotter than an actual atomic bomb.  Quite making stuff up to support you incorrect hypotheses.  Stop Lying.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on July 23, 2017, 07:07:50 PM
Stick to debating Heiwa """debunkers."""

May as well punch toddlers for fun.

I'm still here.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 23, 2017, 09:36:12 PM
So how do you make an a-bomb explode? Fission?

But fission is slow and works only in nuclear power plants and similar. Moderated neutrons are permitted to fission uranium atoms. It goes slowly! Temperatures are very low. Water boils under pressure.

A-bomb fission is very, very fast according to some 'experts'. You have two pieces of solid uranium metal of about 30 kg each. And then you bring them together, so they make up a 'critical mass' of about 60 kg. You also ensure that there is a free neutron in between.

And what happens then?

Yes!

FLASH!

It explodes at the speed of light. Billions of atoms fission in nano-seconds liberating energy at 100 000 000 000 000 000C!

But do not worry. Only twerps believe it!
You are wrong.  Fission is not slow.  It is controlled (slowed down may be easier for you to understand) by the control rods.  ANY nuclear reactor can go prompt critical (criticality on fast neutrons from initial fission, aka prompt neutrons) if the rods are pulled fast enough.  Not as fast as in a nuclear weapon. 

We already covered this and you admitted that fast fission does work so why the reversal.

BTW, 100 000 000 000 000 000C is about twelve orders of magnitude hotter than an actual atomic bomb.  Quite making stuff up to support you incorrect hypotheses.  Stop Lying.

Mike

LOL! Just tell me how you get an a-bomb to explode, how long it takes to fission all the 60 kg of atoms and how you measure the temperature during the fission! I look forwars to your lies about it.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Sentinel on July 23, 2017, 11:57:22 PM
Just to crop a feel, Heiwa: Why would you think A-bombs don't work?

Didn't you know this? Let me enlighten you - it's hilarious.
Heiwa wanted to see a bomb go off for himself, because he didn't believe it without evidence of his own eyes. So he asked the French government to detonate one on the Swiss border so he could see it. Astonishingly, they refused to do so. Thus, Heiwa concluded that A bombs cannot possibly be real - they'd have demonstrated one for him if they were.
 ;D
Also when he was ten a physicist refused to give him a detailed explanation for how the work so it must be fake.

thanks guys.  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 24, 2017, 01:00:16 AM
Just to crop a feel, Heiwa: Why would you think A-bombs don't work?

Didn't you know this? Let me enlighten you - it's hilarious.
Heiwa wanted to see a bomb go off for himself, because he didn't believe it without evidence of his own eyes. So he asked the French government to detonate one on the Swiss border so he could see it. Astonishingly, they refused to do so. Thus, Heiwa concluded that A bombs cannot possibly be real - they'd have demonstrated one for him if they were.
 ;D
Also when he was ten a physicist refused to give him a detailed explanation for how the work so it must be fake.
No, when I was ten my worry was USSR invading Hungary. The USSR embassy was nearby and people were demonstrating and I couldn't get home.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 24, 2017, 01:01:07 AM
Just to crop a feel, Heiwa: Why would you think A-bombs don't work?

Didn't you know this? Let me enlighten you - it's hilarious.
Heiwa wanted to see a bomb go off for himself, because he didn't believe it without evidence of his own eyes. So he asked the French government to detonate one on the Swiss border so he could see it. Astonishingly, they refused to do so. Thus, Heiwa concluded that A bombs cannot possibly be real - they'd have demonstrated one for him if they were.
 ;D
Also when he was ten a physicist refused to give him a detailed explanation for how the work so it must be fake.
No, when I was ten my worry was USSR invading Hungary.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: onebigmonkey on July 24, 2017, 01:33:07 AM
Just to crop a feel, Heiwa: Why would you think A-bombs don't work?

Didn't you know this? Let me enlighten you - it's hilarious.
Heiwa wanted to see a bomb go off for himself, because he didn't believe it without evidence of his own eyes. So he asked the French government to detonate one on the Swiss border so he could see it. Astonishingly, they refused to do so. Thus, Heiwa concluded that A bombs cannot possibly be real - they'd have demonstrated one for him if they were.
 ;D
Also when he was ten a physicist refused to give him a detailed explanation for how the work so it must be fake.
No, when I was ten my worry was USSR invading Hungary.

A man I know who used to live near Hungary said it never happened. All fake, done for TV using Hollywood CGI. True story. Only twerps and terrorists think it happened for real. You sound like a terrorist. Why not have brain surgery?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on July 24, 2017, 01:41:06 AM
I'm just gonna drop this here because it's on the topic of Heiwas ignorance. Also the level of debate here is lacking.

This is more than enough evidence for any thinking person to justify a new investigation into 9/11.

For the love of God stop debating heiwa.

http://israellobby.org/urbanmoving/1169683-001%20---%20303A-NY-C237934-Serial%20325%20---%20Section%201%20(1037758).pdf
(FOI request)

http://www.haaretz.com/odigo-says-workers-were-warned-of-attack-1.70579
Quote
Odigo, the instant messaging service, says that two of its workers received messages two hours before the Twin Towers attack on September 11 predicting the attack would happen, and the company has been cooperating with Israeli and American law enforcement, including the FBI, in trying to find the original sender of the message predicting the attack.

Edit.

CNN and NBC reported wtc 7 as having collapsed before it did, they tried to take the videos down but they didn't count on internets.

[Open]
[Open]

Lucky Larry Silverstein said they "pulled" wtc 7.


Emergency services were told that wtc 7 would collapse although no steel framed high rise has ever collapsed due to fire.

This is the explosion heard by firefighters.
[Open]

Here is a finite element analysis made by three PhD Structural Engineers showing that fires couldn't have brought down wtc 7.

http://www.wtc7evaluation.org/
[Open]

Here is NIST admitting they can't / won't explain how wtc 7 fell in the interests of """public safety."""

(https://s1.postimg.org/klu1d3i8v/Screenshot_20170703-161757.png)

Here is a related FOI request.
https://archive.org/stream/NIST_WTC7_FOIA_11-209/NIST_WTC7_FOIA_11-209/100511rhb%20FOIA%2011-209_djvu.txt

Elevator company involved in a modernization project (planting bombs) disappears after 9/11 with no evidence of the comany existing prior to it.

Quote
The words "Ace elevator" or "A.C.E." (herein ACE) are not found anywhere in the PDF files of the 9/11 Commission or NIST reports, although "elevator" appears multiple times. You can check this out for yourself. The names of the security company, "Securacom" (renamed "Stratesec" after 9/11), are not found either.   If the security company cannot be trusted, than there are many ways the explosives could be brought in.  The building owner is also key.  The landlord, Larry Silverstein is only mentioned in the WTC 7 report, as a contributor.http://911Experiments.com/reports.

With the assistance of Frank Lowy, Paul Eisenberg, and Ronald Lauder, Larry the N.Y. Port Authority turned over the management to Silverstein Properties.  He hired the firm Kroll for security.

Kevin Ryan has well researched who had access to the WTC towers in his article.http://911review.com/articles/ryan/demolition_access_p1.html

According to Dennis Cimino, interviewed onDr. James Fetzer's show, there were other fake sounding names on the list of renovation contractors working on the World Trade Center.

This report will focus on ACE.

ACE got the WTC contract, the biggest elevator project in history, There was an article "Drive to the Top" in the trade magazine Elevator World about the ACE project.

Elevator modernization would be the perfect cover for the planting of explosives. Tom Sullivan, who worked for Controlled Demolition Inc., said that the elevator shafts, next to the load bearing columns, would be the perfect place. (can personally confirm)
http://www.ae911truth.org/en/news-sectio: n/41-articles/529-tom-sullivan-eso.html

NEOCT supporters may say "people would have seen A.C.E. Elevator planting explosives in the shafts". But building occupants, except for A.C.E. workers and StrateSec security, could not look in the elevator shafts. As an experiment you can do, just try to get permission to look in the shafts. I could not even look in one that I partly own. (I can also personally confirm)


A.C.E. Elevator Company went bankrupt in 2006. How could ACE go bankrupt, if they were skilled enough to get the largest contract in history? Presumably they got paid, because Larry Silverstein was fully insured, received over $4 billion, and there are no records of ACE suing Larry.  This supports the hypothesis that Ace Elevator was a "front company" created for the purpose of planting explosives, with just enough background to sound credible.

Some NEOCT supporters may say: "ACE is still in business. So there is nothing suspicious about them". But that is not true.http://www.nysb.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/opinions/115931_152_opinion.pdf

http://aneta.org/911experiments_com/AceElevator/

9/11 was a CIA / Mossad false flag.
Seriously what's left to "prove?"
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 24, 2017, 02:24:05 AM
So how do you make an a-bomb explode? Fission?

But fission is slow and works only in nuclear power plants and similar. Moderated neutrons are permitted to fission uranium atoms. It goes slowly! Temperatures are very low. Water boils under pressure.

A-bomb fission is very, very fast according to some 'experts'. You have two pieces of solid uranium metal of about 30 kg each. And then you bring them together, so they make up a 'critical mass' of about 60 kg. You also ensure that there is a free neutron in between.

And what happens then?

Yes!

FLASH!

It explodes at the speed of light. Billions of atoms fission in nano-seconds liberating energy at 100 000 000 000 000 000C!

But do not worry. Only twerps believe it!
You are wrong.  Fission is not slow.  It is controlled (slowed down may be easier for you to understand) by the control rods.  ANY nuclear reactor can go prompt critical (criticality on fast neutrons from initial fission, aka prompt neutrons) if the rods are pulled fast enough.  Not as fast as in a nuclear weapon. 

We already covered this and you admitted that fast fission does work so why the reversal.

BTW, 100 000 000 000 000 000C is about twelve orders of magnitude hotter than an actual atomic bomb.  Quite making stuff up to support you incorrect hypotheses.  Stop Lying.

Mike

LOL! Just tell me how you get an a-bomb to explode, how long it takes to fission all the 60 kg of atoms and how you measure the temperature during the fission! I look forwars to your lies about it.
With prompt neutrons you could fission 60kg in under a second.  A verifiable scientific fact.  One that you have no proof to dispute.  Unless of course you have calculations for neutron flux and reaction rates that you have yet to show us.

In a reactor you have control rods and fuel that's about 1% fissile material.  In a bomb the purity of fissile material is >90% with no control rods.  Did you take that into account in you reaction rate "calculations"?  Of course you didn't because you had no idea that it mattered.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 24, 2017, 03:34:19 AM

With prompt neutrons you could fission 60kg in under a second.  A verifiable scientific fact.  One that you have no proof to dispute.  Unless of course you have calculations for neutron flux and reaction rates that you have yet to show us.

In a reactor you have control rods and fuel that's about 1% fissile material.  In a bomb the purity of fissile material is >90% with no control rods.  Did you take that into account in you reaction rate "calculations"?  Of course you didn't because you had no idea that it mattered.

Mike

Hm, but a-bomb experts suggest it took nano-seconds. My calculations are at my web site. Easy to check, copy/paste and query. Do it! http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm

Question remains - how to start an a-bomb explosion?

Do you support the idea to contact two pieces of uranium metal so that

FLASH

they explode? In nano-seconds!

How does it work?

I am a nice, friendly guy. Why not tell me how explode an a-bomb?

Push a button. Light a fuse. Squeeze a trigger. How do you do it?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 24, 2017, 03:54:42 AM

With prompt neutrons you could fission 60kg in under a second.  A verifiable scientific fact.  One that you have no proof to dispute.  Unless of course you have calculations for neutron flux and reaction rates that you have yet to show us.

In a reactor you have control rods and fuel that's about 1% fissile material.  In a bomb the purity of fissile material is >90% with no control rods.  Did you take that into account in you reaction rate "calculations"?  Of course you didn't because you had no idea that it mattered.

Mike

Hm, but a-bomb experts suggest it took nano-seconds. My calculations are at my web site. Easy to check, copy/paste and query. Do it! http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm

Question remains - how to start an a-bomb explosion?

Do you support the idea to contact two pieces of uranium metal so that

FLASH

they explode? In nano-seconds!

How does it work?

I am a nice, friendly guy. Why not tell me how explode an a-bomb?

Push a button. Light a fuse. Squeeze a trigger. How do you do it?
You do not have any real calculations.  No reaction rate, no six factor formula, no neutron flux calculations...not a single calculation that supports how fast or how slow fission takes place. 

AAMOF, even though you finally admitted fast fission happens, you never updated your website.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on July 24, 2017, 04:00:30 AM
You know he's trolling you right?







right?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 24, 2017, 04:04:23 AM

With prompt neutrons you could fission 60kg in under a second.  A verifiable scientific fact.  One that you have no proof to dispute.  Unless of course you have calculations for neutron flux and reaction rates that you have yet to show us.

In a reactor you have control rods and fuel that's about 1% fissile material.  In a bomb the purity of fissile material is >90% with no control rods.  Did you take that into account in you reaction rate "calculations"?  Of course you didn't because you had no idea that it mattered.

Mike

Hm, but a-bomb experts suggest it took nano-seconds. My calculations are at my web site. Easy to check, copy/paste and query. Do it! http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm

Question remains - how to start an a-bomb explosion?

Do you support the idea to contact two pieces of uranium metal so that

FLASH

they explode? In nano-seconds!

How does it work?

I am a nice, friendly guy. Why not tell me how explode an a-bomb?

Push a button. Light a fuse. Squeeze a trigger. How do you do it?
You do not have any real calculations.  No reaction rate, no six factor formula, no neutron flux calculations...not a single calculation that supports how fast or how slow fission takes place. 

AAMOF, even though you finally admitted fast fission happens, you never updated your website.

Mike

Hm, but a-bomb experts suggest it took nano-seconds. My real calculations are at my web site. Easy to check, copy/paste and query. Do it! http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm

You sound like a twirp.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 24, 2017, 04:12:26 AM

With prompt neutrons you could fission 60kg in under a second.  A verifiable scientific fact.  One that you have no proof to dispute.  Unless of course you have calculations for neutron flux and reaction rates that you have yet to show us.

In a reactor you have control rods and fuel that's about 1% fissile material.  In a bomb the purity of fissile material is >90% with no control rods.  Did you take that into account in you reaction rate "calculations"?  Of course you didn't because you had no idea that it mattered.

Mike

Hm, but a-bomb experts suggest it took nano-seconds. My calculations are at my web site. Easy to check, copy/paste and query. Do it! http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm

Question remains - how to start an a-bomb explosion?

Do you support the idea to contact two pieces of uranium metal so that

FLASH

they explode? In nano-seconds!

How does it work?

I am a nice, friendly guy. Why not tell me how explode an a-bomb?

Push a button. Light a fuse. Squeeze a trigger. How do you do it?
You do not have any real calculations.  No reaction rate, no six factor formula, no neutron flux calculations...not a single calculation that supports how fast or how slow fission takes place. 

AAMOF, even though you finally admitted fast fission happens, you never updated your website.

Mike

Hm, but a-bomb experts suggest it took nano-seconds. My real calculations are at my web site. Easy to check, copy/paste and query. Do it! http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm

You sound like a twirp.
I did say under a second the total reaction time is on the  order of milliseconds not nanoseconds but both are really danged fast.

I can’t find the reaction rate and  neutron flux calculations on your website.  Can you point them out to me please.

And, you sound like someone who doesn't know what he's talking about.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 24, 2017, 04:19:14 AM
You know he's trolling you right?







right?
It would be an incredibly elaborate setup to create such an lengthy set of websites just to be a troll.  No, Heiwa believes what he is posting and therefore not really a troll.

I’ve been on staff (both as moderator & admin) for forums for a long time.  Most forums would not consider him a troll per se.  His posting would  more likely be considered “spamming the board”.

IOW, I disagree.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 24, 2017, 07:20:57 AM

With prompt neutrons you could fission 60kg in under a second.  A verifiable scientific fact.  One that you have no proof to dispute.  Unless of course you have calculations for neutron flux and reaction rates that you have yet to show us.

In a reactor you have control rods and fuel that's about 1% fissile material.  In a bomb the purity of fissile material is >90% with no control rods.  Did you take that into account in you reaction rate "calculations"?  Of course you didn't because you had no idea that it mattered.

Mike

Hm, but a-bomb experts suggest it took nano-seconds. My calculations are at my web site. Easy to check, copy/paste and query. Do it! http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm

Question remains - how to start an a-bomb explosion?

Do you support the idea to contact two pieces of uranium metal so that

FLASH

they explode? In nano-seconds!

How does it work?

I am a nice, friendly guy. Why not tell me how explode an a-bomb?

Push a button. Light a fuse. Squeeze a trigger. How do you do it?
You do not have any real calculations.  No reaction rate, no six factor formula, no neutron flux calculations...not a single calculation that supports how fast or how slow fission takes place. 

AAMOF, even though you finally admitted fast fission happens, you never updated your website.

Mike

Hm, but a-bomb experts suggest it took nano-seconds. My real calculations are at my web site. Easy to check, copy/paste and query. Do it! http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm

You sound like a twirp.
I did say under a second the total reaction time is on the  order of milliseconds not nanoseconds but both are really danged fast.

I can’t find the reaction rate and  neutron flux calculations on your website.  Can you point them out to me please.

And, you sound like someone who doesn't know what he's talking about.

Mike

Well, reaction rate and neutron flux calculations are only of interest in nuclear power plants using moderated fission, which I conclude works well being a shareholder (7 222 shares) of EDF owning plenty nuclear power plants. In such a plant hundreds of tons of nuclear fuel are transformed inte pure energy by fission which takes several years. Very safe! No conspiracies!

A-bombs are on the other hand using explosive fission lasting nano-seconds that transforms about 60 kg of metal uranium into energy in a FLASH. It is just propaganda, pseudoscience and a big conspiracy.

Please, read my web page again - http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm - and copy/paste anything you consider wrong or do not understand.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: onebigmonkey on July 24, 2017, 07:42:50 AM
When is a conspiracy not a conspiracy?

When Heiwa says it's a conspiracy. Or not. One of them.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 24, 2017, 07:51:26 AM
When is a conspiracy not a conspiracy?

When Heiwa says it's a conspiracy. Or not. One of them.

Well, I just explain why a-bombs do not work, Americans have not been on the Moon, ships float on intact hulls and tops of skycrapers do not suddenly collapse from top down with Arabs in the top.
When 'experts' and governments suggest otherwise, I just conclude they are wrong and explain why. The 'experts' probably pursue some particular interests (money!) but a conspiracy? They do it openly assisted by media.

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: PhysicsMaster on July 24, 2017, 08:27:55 AM
A bunch of people keeping a secret is the exact definition of conspiracy. And it is way more likely that you don't understand something than that all the science is wrong and that there are massive conspiracies. And those conspiracies would really have to be massive because of the reasons I explained earlier in this thread.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 24, 2017, 08:50:37 AM

With prompt neutrons you could fission 60kg in under a second.  A verifiable scientific fact.  One that you have no proof to dispute.  Unless of course you have calculations for neutron flux and reaction rates that you have yet to show us.

In a reactor you have control rods and fuel that's about 1% fissile material.  In a bomb the purity of fissile material is >90% with no control rods.  Did you take that into account in you reaction rate "calculations"?  Of course you didn't because you had no idea that it mattered.

Mike

Hm, but a-bomb experts suggest it took nano-seconds. My calculations are at my web site. Easy to check, copy/paste and query. Do it! http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm

Question remains - how to start an a-bomb explosion?

Do you support the idea to contact two pieces of uranium metal so that

FLASH

they explode? In nano-seconds!

How does it work?

I am a nice, friendly guy. Why not tell me how explode an a-bomb?

Push a button. Light a fuse. Squeeze a trigger. How do you do it?
You do not have any real calculations.  No reaction rate, no six factor formula, no neutron flux calculations...not a single calculation that supports how fast or how slow fission takes place. 

AAMOF, even though you finally admitted fast fission happens, you never updated your website.

Mike

Hm, but a-bomb experts suggest it took nano-seconds. My real calculations are at my web site. Easy to check, copy/paste and query. Do it! http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm

You sound like a twirp.
I did say under a second the total reaction time is on the  order of milliseconds not nanoseconds but both are really danged fast.

I can’t find the reaction rate and  neutron flux calculations on your website.  Can you point them out to me please.

And, you sound like someone who doesn't know what he's talking about.

Mike

Well, reaction rate and neutron flux calculations are only of interest in nuclear power plants using moderated fission, which I conclude works well being a shareholder (7 222 shares) of EDF owning plenty nuclear power plants. In such a plant hundreds of tons of nuclear fuel are transformed inte pure energy by fission which takes several years. Very safe! No conspiracies!

A-bombs are on the other hand using explosive fission lasting nano-seconds that transforms about 60 kg of metal uranium into energy in a FLASH. It is just propaganda, pseudoscience and a big conspiracy.

Please, read my web page again - http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm - and copy/paste anything you consider wrong or do not understand.
For the billionth time, I have read your website and nowhere does it show the reaction rate for a bomb is impossible.  A reactor relies on a chain reaction and an a-bomb relies on a faster chain reaction.  Therefore, the reaction rate and flux calculations do apply to atomic weapons.

The only reason fuel in a reactor lasts years is because the reaction rate is slowed by the control rods.  Without control rods the fuel would be used up instantly.

Here is what we do know:

- We know that fast fission is possible.  Although, you haven’t included this in your website yet you agreed fast fission is possible.
 
- We know that fast fission from prompt neutrons is possible due to the SL-1 accident we previously discussed.
 
- This implies that uncontrolled fast fission due to prompt neutrons in an atomic bomb is possible and thus an atomic explosion is theoretically possible.   This is supported by the reaction rate and neutron flux calculations from the Manhattan project.

For you to say fast fission in atomic weapon is not possible you would have to show the following equations do not support atomic bombs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_factor_formula

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_factor_formula
 
If you show that these calculations don'’t work you will proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that a-bombs don’'t work.  Or, you have to show why they don't apply to a-bomb reactions you will proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that a-bombs don’'t work.  Let us know when you’re done.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: PhysicsMaster on July 24, 2017, 09:08:41 AM
Instead of trying to explain him nuclear physics, rather make Heiwa learn why conspiracy theories are unlikely. If you give someone a loaf of bread, you feed him for a day. If you teach a person how to sow, you feed him for entire life.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Denspressure on July 24, 2017, 09:14:15 AM
What if I like fish?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 24, 2017, 09:31:01 AM
What if I like fish?
Then sow a fish.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on July 24, 2017, 09:33:12 AM
Show a man how to build a fire, keep him warm for a day. Set a man on fire, you keep him warm for the rest of his life.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 24, 2017, 10:07:47 AM

For the billionth time, I have read your website and nowhere does it show the reaction rate for a bomb is impossible.  A reactor relies on a chain reaction and an a-bomb relies on a faster chain reaction.  Therefore, the reaction rate and flux calculations do apply to atomic weapons.

The only reason fuel in a reactor lasts years is because the reaction rate is slowed by the control rods.  Without control rods the fuel would be used up instantly.

Here is what we do know:

- We know that fast fission is possible.  Although, you haven’t included this in your website yet you agreed fast fission is possible.
 
- We know that fast fission from prompt neutrons is possible due to the SL-1 accident we previously discussed.
 
- This implies that uncontrolled fast fission due to prompt neutrons in an atomic bomb is possible and thus an atomic explosion is theoretically possible.   This is supported by the reaction rate and neutron flux calculations from the Manhattan project.

For you to say fast fission in atomic weapon is not possible you would have to show the following equations do not support atomic bombs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_factor_formula

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_factor_formula
 
If you show that these calculations don'’t work you will proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that a-bombs don’'t work.  Or, you have to show why they don't apply to a-bomb reactions you will proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that a-bombs don’'t work.  Let us know when you’re done.

Mike

Well, you have to read http://heiwaco.com/bomb1.htm#38 again !

We are not dicussing fast fission! The 'experts' talk about explosive fission, when 6x1024 U235 atoms fission at the speed of light - total nano-seconds - and I am happy to conclude that 6x1024 U235 atoms cannot fission at the speed of light as suggested by the 'experts'.

And that's why a-bombs do not work. Explosive fission is pseudoscience.

May I ask a question? Why is the a-bomb mushroom cloud so dirty?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Sentinel on July 24, 2017, 10:22:23 AM
Ho-humm...

So what exactly laid utter waste on both Hiroshima and Nagasaki, then?

Dunno, but rejecting the mere existence of successfully performed nuclear blasts in the history is quite something in my book tbh.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 24, 2017, 10:40:08 AM

Well, you have to read http://heiwaco.com/bomb1.htm#38 again !

We are not dicussing fast fission! The 'experts' talk about explosive fission, when 6x1024 U235 atoms fission at the speed of light - total nano-seconds - and I am happy to conclude that 6x1024 U235 atoms cannot fission at the speed of light as suggested by the 'experts'.
Just because you’re happy to conclude something doesn’t make it the truth.
 
The math says you’re wrong (the links in my previous post) so you have to prove the math is incorrect or you have to concede it is correct.  One or the other.
And that's why a-bombs do not work. Explosive fission is pseudoscience.

May I ask a question? Why is the a-bomb mushroom cloud so dirty?
The “dirty cloud” is the same as with a conventional explosive. 

You detonate a conventional explosive in the air you don’t get a big cloud of dust and debris.  You get a fire ball and that’s all…except for a little dirt and debris but only if it’s close enough to the ground...otherwise it’s just a fireball.

You detonate a conventional explosive on the ground you get a fire ball and a huge amount of dust and debris.

It’s is the same for an a-bomb.  The “dirty cloud” is the same dirt and debris you get with a conventional explosive only a lot more of it.  Where do you think all that dirt and debris from the thousand foot by three hundred foot deep crater goes.  It’s gotta go somewhere.  Guess what.  It’s the “dirty cloud”...it’s just common sense.

Junk science is saying a-bombs aren't real without actually proving the math is wrong.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 24, 2017, 10:40:45 AM
Ho-humm...

So what exactly laid utter waste on both Hiroshima and Nagasaki, then?

Dunno, but rejecting the mere existence of successfully performed nuclear blasts in the history is quite something in my book tbh.

I explain everything at my website.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were napalm, carpet bombed and burnt down spring 1945 like >60 other Japanese cities. The Japanese population was not told of any of them by media due to censorship.

Same people that destroyed Dresden, Germany, February 1945 were in action.

The allied commanders thought 1944/5 that destroying cities full of civilians and of no military value at all by air bombing was a fantastic idea.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: onebigmonkey on July 24, 2017, 10:42:27 AM
Dirt in mushroom clouds, if it is present, has been explained to you.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: onebigmonkey on July 24, 2017, 10:43:31 AM

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were napalm, carpet bombed and burnt down spring 1945

^^Lies.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 24, 2017, 10:47:24 AM

Well, you have to read http://heiwaco.com/bomb1.htm#38 again !

We are not dicussing fast fission! The 'experts' talk about explosive fission, when 6x1024 U235 atoms fission at the speed of light - total nano-seconds - and I am happy to conclude that 6x1024 U235 atoms cannot fission at the speed of light as suggested by the 'experts'.
Just because you’re happy to conclude something doesn’t make it the truth.
 
The math says you’re wrong (the links in my previous post) so you have to prove the math is incorrect or you have to concede it is correct.  One or the other.
And that's why a-bombs do not work. Explosive fission is pseudoscience.

May I ask a question? Why is the a-bomb mushroom cloud so dirty?
The “dirty cloud” is the same as with a conventional explosive. 

You detonate a conventional explosive in the air you don’t get a big cloud of dust and debris.  You get a fire ball and that’s all…except for a little dirt and debris but only if it’s close enough to the ground...otherwise it’s just a fireball.

You detonate a conventional explosive on the ground you get a fire ball and a huge amount of dust and debris.

It’s is the same for an a-bomb.  The “dirty cloud” is the same dirt and debris you get with a conventional explosive only a lot more of it.  Where do you think all that dirt and debris from the thousand foot by three hundred foot deep crater goes.  It’s gotta go somewhere.  Guess what.  It’s the “dirty cloud”...it’s just common sense.

Junk science is saying a-bombs aren't real without actually proving the math is wrong.

Mike

But what about the 6x1024 U235 atoms that fission at the speed of light - total nano-seconds - without any moderation in a FLASH?

How do you start it? Why doesn't it fizzle after a few fissions, etc, etc.

And why would you explode a big chemical bomb in the air just to get a fire ball? Fire works? No, chemical explosions produce dirty mushroom clouds.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Sentinel on July 24, 2017, 10:56:26 AM
Ho-humm...

So what exactly laid utter waste on both Hiroshima and Nagasaki, then?

Dunno, but rejecting the mere existence of successfully performed nuclear blasts in the history is quite something in my book tbh.

I explain everything at my website.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were napalm, carpet bombed and burnt down spring 1945 like >60 other Japanese cities. The Japanese population was not told of any of them by media due to censorship.

Same people that destroyed Dresden, Germany, February 1945 were in action.

The allied commanders thought 1944/5 that destroying cities full of civilians and of no military value at all by air bombing was a fantastic idea.

Ho-ho-humm...

What about the pictures and videos of the mushroom cloud after the blast, what could possibly be of such a magnitude for a single explosion other than a nuke? Or even the russian footage of their Tsar Bomba, how could you even think of emulating or faking such explosion with conventional stuff?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 24, 2017, 11:08:39 AM

What about the pictures and videos of the mushroom cloud after the blast, what could possibly be of such a magnitude for a single explosion other than a nuke? Or even the russian footage of their Tsar Bomba, how could you even think of emulating or faking such explosion with conventional stuff?

All photo shop! I explain it at my website. No videos 1945 though. You film a chemical explosion mushroom cloud, copy paste it anywhere and you say it was an a-bomb. Ever heard of propaganda? How old are you? 10?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Sentinel on July 24, 2017, 11:21:07 AM
I've yet to witness a single reason to convince me to visit your website, sorry. Explain it here.

So you're implying that any footage of any nuclear blast in the history, going back to as late as the 1940s, by both the Americans and the Russians were not real and have been fabricated probably much later by C/P-ing footage of chemical explosions?

Are you even serious?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 24, 2017, 12:14:34 PM
I've yet to witness a single reason to convince me to visit your website, sorry. Explain it here.

So you're implying that any footage of any nuclear blast in the history, going back to as late as the 1940s, by both the Americans and the Russians were not real and have been fabricated probably much later by C/P-ing footage of chemical explosions?

Are you even serious?

Yes, that is how propaganda works. So all footage was prepared beforehand as no real a-bombings took place. The a-bombs were fake! Then the fake footage was given to media, bla, bla, bla. Some fake pilot actors told media how they dropped the fake bomb, etc, etc.
Evidently both Hiroshima and a subburb of Nagasaki were destroyed earlier by conventional bombings.

Downtown Nagasaki was not damaged or bombed at all. Only a western subburn was bombed ... but not 9 August 1945.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 24, 2017, 12:53:57 PM

What about the pictures and videos of the mushroom cloud after the blast, what could possibly be of such a magnitude for a single explosion other than a nuke? Or even the russian footage of their Tsar Bomba, how could you even think of emulating or faking such explosion with conventional stuff?

All photo shop! I explain it at my website. No videos 1945 though. You film a chemical explosion mushroom cloud, copy paste it anywhere and you say it was an a-bomb. Ever heard of propaganda? How old are you? 10?
You can say those things but you have no proof.  Your website talks about why you think it's true but that doesn't mean it is true.  Stop talking like you have documented, smoking gun proof of any of this.  All you really have is opinion based on you interpretation of some facts.  Opinion is not proof.

BTW, Adobe Photoshop didn't exist before 1990.  Just sayin'.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 24, 2017, 01:23:17 PM

What about the pictures and videos of the mushroom cloud after the blast, what could possibly be of such a magnitude for a single explosion other than a nuke? Or even the russian footage of their Tsar Bomba, how could you even think of emulating or faking such explosion with conventional stuff?

All photo shop! I explain it at my website. No videos 1945 though. You film a chemical explosion mushroom cloud, copy paste it anywhere and you say it was an a-bomb. Ever heard of propaganda? How old are you? 10?
You can say those things but you have no proof.  Your website talks about why you think it's true but that doesn't mean it is true.  Stop talking like you have documented, smoking gun proof of any of this.  All you really have is opinion based on you interpretation of some facts.  Opinion is not proof.

BTW, Adobe Photoshop didn't exist before 1990.  Just sayin'.

Mike

All proof is at my website. My findings are well documented.

Do you really believe Stalin built an a-bomb 1945/9 with uranium from Wismut AG, Annaberg or Aue, Saxony?

And photo shop is very old. Stalin was a master of it.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on July 24, 2017, 01:28:01 PM

What about the pictures and videos of the mushroom cloud after the blast, what could possibly be of such a magnitude for a single explosion other than a nuke? Or even the russian footage of their Tsar Bomba, how could you even think of emulating or faking such explosion with conventional stuff?

All photo shop! I explain it at my website. No videos 1945 though. You film a chemical explosion mushroom cloud, copy paste it anywhere and you say it was an a-bomb. Ever heard of propaganda? How old are you? 10?
You can say those things but you have no proof.  Your website talks about why you think it's true but that doesn't mean it is true.  Stop talking like you have documented, smoking gun proof of any of this.  All you really have is opinion based on you interpretation of some facts.  Opinion is not proof.

BTW, Adobe Photoshop didn't exist before 1990.  Just sayin'.

Mike

All proof is at my website. My findings are well documented.


No it's not. The fact that you've created an elaborate, though cheesy, website in which to express your bizarre opinions does not automatically turn said bizarre opinions into proof. If you think the proof is on your website why not paste the relevant portions here.

BTW we all know why you won't.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 24, 2017, 01:34:32 PM

What about the pictures and videos of the mushroom cloud after the blast, what could possibly be of such a magnitude for a single explosion other than a nuke? Or even the russian footage of their Tsar Bomba, how could you even think of emulating or faking such explosion with conventional stuff?

All photo shop! I explain it at my website. No videos 1945 though. You film a chemical explosion mushroom cloud, copy paste it anywhere and you say it was an a-bomb. Ever heard of propaganda? How old are you? 10?
You can say those things but you have no proof.  Your website talks about why you think it's true but that doesn't mean it is true.  Stop talking like you have documented, smoking gun proof of any of this.  All you really have is opinion based on you interpretation of some facts.  Opinion is not proof.

BTW, Adobe Photoshop didn't exist before 1990.  Just sayin'.

Mike

All proof is at my website. My findings are well documented.


No it's not. The fact that you've created an elaborate, though cheesy, website in which to express your bizarre opinions does not automatically turn said bizarre opinions into proof. If you think the proof is on your website why not paste the relevant portions here.

BTW we all know why you won't.

Your slurs are just those of a jealous twerp. I am a source. You can quote me. My findings about, e.g. the Estonia incident are historical facts. Of course media cannot quote me due to gate keepers of all sorts, but it is not my problem.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 24, 2017, 01:41:49 PM

What about the pictures and videos of the mushroom cloud after the blast, what could possibly be of such a magnitude for a single explosion other than a nuke? Or even the russian footage of their Tsar Bomba, how could you even think of emulating or faking such explosion with conventional stuff?

All photo shop! I explain it at my website. No videos 1945 though. You film a chemical explosion mushroom cloud, copy paste it anywhere and you say it was an a-bomb. Ever heard of propaganda? How old are you? 10?
You can say those things but you have no proof.  Your website talks about why you think it's true but that doesn't mean it is true.  Stop talking like you have documented, smoking gun proof of any of this.  All you really have is opinion based on you interpretation of some facts.  Opinion is not proof.

BTW, Adobe Photoshop didn't exist before 1990.  Just sayin'.

Mike

All proof is at my website. My findings are well documented.

Do you really believe Stalin built an a-bomb 1945/9 with uranium from Wismut AG, Annaberg or Aue, Saxony?

And photo shop is very old. Stalin was a master of it.
Stalin was a master of photoshop...ummmm, I don't even know where to go with that...although, I’m pretty sure they didn’t have graphical computers in 1945.  BTW, Adobe released Photoshop in 1990.

You do have a well-documented website.  You do an admirable job in presenting your findings.  However, it is all interpretation, speculation, and opinion.  There is no actual proof.  Just because you say it’s proof doesn’t make it so.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: onebigmonkey on July 24, 2017, 02:01:23 PM
Stalin was good at airbrushing people out of history, literally. This is an example from a Life magazine I own from 1970 showing the removal of Alexander Dubček:

(http://onebigmonkey.com/apollo/CATM/ch5/wpimages/wp7a8e639d_05_06.jpg)

As I point out on my own site, the original existed, the forgery was spotted, no-one was fooled.

What Heiwa is doing is the same thing - trying to airbrush history to match his own version of events. Unfortunately for him there are enough people out there with access to original information and who understand things properly. Atom bombs are real, the moon landings were real, buildings in New York collapsed when some set of twats flew planes into them.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: markjo on July 24, 2017, 03:47:42 PM
Your slurs are just those of a jealous twerp. I am a source. You can quote me.
Appeal to authority is a logical fallacy when the the source in question is not a recognized authority in the field in question.

You are not a nuclear physicist.

You are not an aerospace engineer.

You are not an architectural engineer.

Citing yourself as an authority in any of those fields is not credible evidence of anything other than your arrogance.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on July 24, 2017, 06:44:50 PM
Here's a few PhD stuctural engineers.
www.wtc7evaluation.org
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 24, 2017, 09:33:34 PM
Here's a few PhD stuctural engineers.
www.wtc7evaluation.org

I have also analysed wtc7 - http://heiwaco.com/nist7.htm .

Being a structural (analysis) engineer it was quite easy to show that one structural failure due to fire/heat could not ininitate a total collapse of the building. NIST faked it.

It seems WTC7 was destroyed from bottom up by controlled demolition with all the floors stacked up on top of each other afterwards. Of course fake footage showed something else.

I always wonder why American structural engineers of NIST and ASCE fake things? Any ideas?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Kami on July 24, 2017, 11:11:08 PM
Photo shop is very old. Stalin was a master of it.
It just pays off to visit this thread from time to time for a good laugh...

But seriously, if you compare pictures of Dresden (almost every house was hit by at least one bomb but most parts of the walls still stood upright) and hiroshima (basically a field of debris) you can not possibly think that those two events were caused by the same source. Or the japanese were really, really shitty at building houses, which I do not think.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 25, 2017, 12:51:47 AM
Photo shop is very old. Stalin was a master of it.
It just pays off to visit this thread from time to time for a good laugh...

But seriously, if you compare pictures of Dresden (almost every house was hit by at least one bomb but most parts of the walls still stood upright) and hiroshima (basically a field of debris) you can not possibly think that those two events were caused by the same source. Or the japanese were really, really shitty at building houses, which I do not think.
As usual you don't know what you are talking about. Central Dresden, capital of Saxony, was built by bricks in baroque style, while 95% of all houses at Hiroshima/Nagasaki were built of wood, straw and paper. I had a house at Freiberg i.Sa, the previous capital only 35 km away, which burnt down around 1480 due to all houses being of wood. So my house was rebuilt in stone 1520 - only the roof frames were of wood. I did a structural analysis of them around 2000. They were very strong! Did you know that a wood beam behaves like a steel beam from a structural analysis point of view? Beam analysis! Basic engineering! But NIST and ASCE do not understand it.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 25, 2017, 04:20:20 AM

Well, you have to read http://heiwaco.com/bomb1.htm#38 again !

We are not dicussing fast fission! The 'experts' talk about explosive fission, when 6x1024 U235 atoms fission at the speed of light - total nano-seconds - and I am happy to conclude that 6x1024 U235 atoms cannot fission at the speed of light as suggested by the 'experts'.
Just because you’re happy to conclude something doesn’t make it the truth.
 
The math says you’re wrong (the links in my previous post) so you have to prove the math is incorrect or you have to concede it is correct.  One or the other.
And that's why a-bombs do not work. Explosive fission is pseudoscience.

May I ask a question? Why is the a-bomb mushroom cloud so dirty?
The “dirty cloud” is the same as with a conventional explosive. 

You detonate a conventional explosive in the air you don’t get a big cloud of dust and debris.  You get a fire ball and that’s all…except for a little dirt and debris but only if it’s close enough to the ground...otherwise it’s just a fireball.

You detonate a conventional explosive on the ground you get a fire ball and a huge amount of dust and debris.

It’s is the same for an a-bomb.  The “dirty cloud” is the same dirt and debris you get with a conventional explosive only a lot more of it.  Where do you think all that dirt and debris from the thousand foot by three hundred foot deep crater goes.  It’s gotta go somewhere.  Guess what.  It’s the “dirty cloud”...it’s just common sense.

Junk science is saying a-bombs aren't real without actually proving the math is wrong.

Mike

But what about the 6x1024 U235 atoms that fission at the speed of light - total nano-seconds - without any moderation in a FLASH?
What about it?  That’s the way it works…although, it’s milliseconds not nano-seconds.


How do you start it? Why doesn't it fizzle after a few fissions, etc, etc.
You start it the same you do in a reactor.  The first time a reactor starts up there is a neutron startup source.   After initial criticality it isn’t needed any more but that’s how it initiates fission the first time.

An atomic bomb works the same way.  There is a neutron initiator.  Nothing magical about it.  It’s how all fission reactions are initially started.

It doesn't fizzle out for the same reasons a reactor doesn't fizzle out.  Once started it's a self sustaining chain reaction.  A reactor uses control rods  to control the reaction rate.  An atomic bomb doesn't have control rods so there is nothing to slow down the reaction rate.  Thus its total reaction time is in milliseconds.  However, the older weapons weren't very efficient.  They didn't use all the fissile material.  I believe Little Boy only used a couple of percent of the of the 64kg of uranium.

And why would you explode a big chemical bomb in the air just to get a fire ball? Fire works? No, chemical explosions produce dirty mushroom clouds.
No!  Chemical explosions do not always produce dirty mushroom clouds on their own.

Some examples are:

High explosive anti-aircraft round explode in the air and do not produce a dirty mushroom cloud.

High explosive rounds impacting a ship at sea do not produce a dirty mushroom cloud.

High explosive torpedo impact does not produce a dirty mushroom cloud.

Fireworks no matter how large do not produce a dirty mushroom cloud.

A MOAB, when detonated at altitude, is a huge fire ball and the only dirt & debris comes from the shock wave impacting the ground.  You can see this on any of the dozens of videos on youtube.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 25, 2017, 04:33:04 AM

But what about the 6x1024 U235 atoms that fission at the speed of light - total nano-seconds - without any moderation in a FLASH?

What about it?  That’s the way it works…although, it’s milliseconds not nano-seconds.

Mike

You sure? Milliseconds?

But how do you start it?

You do something ... and miliseconds or nanoseconds later there is a FLASH!

What do you do?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 25, 2017, 04:57:42 AM

But what about the 6x1024 U235 atoms that fission at the speed of light - total nano-seconds - without any moderation in a FLASH?

What about it?  That’s the way it works…although, it’s milliseconds not nano-seconds.

Mike

You sure? Milliseconds?

But how do you start it?

You do something ... and miliseconds or nanoseconds later there is a FLASH!

What do you do?
If you had actually read my previous post you'd see that I already told you how you start it.

Sorry about the milliseconds,  I meant microseconds.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Pezevenk on July 25, 2017, 06:08:19 AM
Stalin was good at airbrushing people out of history, literally. This is an example from a Life magazine I own from 1970 showing the removal of Alexander Dubček:

(http://onebigmonkey.com/apollo/CATM/ch5/wpimages/wp7a8e639d_05_06.jpg)

As I point out on my own site, the original existed, the forgery was spotted, no-one was fooled.

What Heiwa is doing is the same thing - trying to airbrush history to match his own version of events. Unfortunately for him there are enough people out there with access to original information and who understand things properly. Atom bombs are real, the moon landings were real, buildings in New York collapsed when some set of twats flew planes into them.

He famously airbrushed Trotski out of everything.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: PhysicsMaster on July 25, 2017, 06:19:57 AM
You know, Heiwa, free thinking doesn't mean thinking free from logic.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 25, 2017, 09:20:34 AM

But what about the 6x1024 U235 atoms that fission at the speed of light - total nano-seconds - without any moderation in a FLASH?

What about it?  That’s the way it works…although, it’s milliseconds not nano-seconds.

Mike

You sure? Milliseconds?

But how do you start it?

You do something ... and miliseconds or nanoseconds later there is a FLASH!

What do you do?
If you had actually read my previous post you'd see that I already told you how you start it.

Sorry about the milliseconds,  I meant microseconds.

Nanosecond! Please!

So how do you start the explosive fission? I didn't get it.

Let's repeat:

You drop the a-bomb from a plane. The a-bomb drops. Due to gravity

But how do you get it to explode? When it drops!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 25, 2017, 09:59:48 AM

But what about the 6x1024 U235 atoms that fission at the speed of light - total nano-seconds - without any moderation in a FLASH?

What about it?  That’s the way it works…although, it’s milliseconds not nano-seconds.

Mike

You sure? Milliseconds?

But how do you start it?

You do something ... and miliseconds or nanoseconds later there is a FLASH!

What do you do?
If you had actually read my previous post you'd see that I already told you how you start it.

Sorry about the milliseconds,  I meant microseconds.

Nanosecond! Please!

So how do you start the explosive fission? I didn't get it.

Let's repeat:

You drop the a-bomb from a plane. The a-bomb drops. Due to gravity

But how do you get it to explode? When it drops!
Okay, fine.  Stick with nanoseconds because it hardly matters that much.  The camera they designed to take pictures on the initial explosion took the picture about 20 milliseconds after the initial explosion and the fire ball was about 20 m across.

I’m not retyping what I already posted about initiating fission in a bomb.  Go back and read it.

Are you asking what the triggering mechanism is?  If so I can’t discuss that.  I will tell you that you will never find any documentation on it.  Nor will find anyone to discuss it with you.  You should probably assume it classified at the TS special access level.  You were in the Navy so you should understand classified information.  Right?

However, if you look at Little Boy and Fat Man it’s conceivable they were triggered by the same kind of mechanisms that conventional bombs were. 

How did they do it back in the day?  Timer, altitude, or proximity?  I don’t see why it matters because it’s probably the least complicated aspect of a nuclear weapon.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 25, 2017, 08:31:43 PM

But what about the 6x1024 U235 atoms that fission at the speed of light - total nano-seconds - without any moderation in a FLASH?

What about it?  That’s the way it works…although, it’s milliseconds not nano-seconds.

Mike

You sure? Milliseconds?

But how do you start it?

You do something ... and miliseconds or nanoseconds later there is a FLASH!

What do you do?
If you had actually read my previous post you'd see that I already told you how you start it.

Sorry about the milliseconds,  I meant microseconds.

Nanosecond! Please!

So how do you start the explosive fission? I didn't get it.

Let's repeat:

You drop the a-bomb from a plane. The a-bomb drops. Due to gravity

But how do you get it to explode? When it drops!
Okay, fine.  Stick with nanoseconds because it hardly matters that much.  The camera they designed to take pictures on the initial explosion took the picture about 20 milliseconds after the initial explosion and the fire ball was about 20 m across.

I’m not retyping what I already posted about initiating fission in a bomb.  Go back and read it.

Are you asking what the triggering mechanism is?  If so I can’t discuss that.  I will tell you that you will never find any documentation on it.  Nor will find anyone to discuss it with you.  You should probably assume it classified at the TS special access level.  You were in the Navy so you should understand classified information.  Right?

However, if you look at Little Boy and Fat Man it’s conceivable they were triggered by the same kind of mechanisms that conventional bombs were. 

How did they do it back in the day?  Timer, altitude, or proximity?  I don’t see why it matters because it’s probably the least complicated aspect of a nuclear weapon.

Mike

I don't follow. Offically Little Boy and Fat Man exploded August 1945 when, suddenly, two subcritial parts of metal were brought into contact with each other ... with a free neutron in between ... to become critical and then the explosive fission started that transformed the metal atoms to pure energy (the nanoseconds FLASH) and some new atoms.

This was supposed to happen when Little Boy and Fat Man were dropping and accelerating at free fall from high altitude.

I know what fission is but explosive fission I consider a bad joke.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Bullwinkle on July 25, 2017, 08:43:22 PM

You drop the a-bomb from a plane. The a-bomb drops. Due to gravity
But how do you get it to explode? When it drops!



You OK?  Sounds like you're having an episode.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: markjo on July 25, 2017, 09:21:38 PM
I don't follow.
Yes, that much is painfully obvious.

Offically Little Boy and Fat Man exploded August 1945 when, suddenly, two subcritial parts of metal were brought into contact with each other ... with a free neutron in between ... to become critical and then the explosive fission started that transformed the metal atoms to pure energy (the nanoseconds FLASH) and some new atoms.
The mechanics of the gun type Uranium bomb and implosion type Plutonium bomb have been explained to you so many times that it boggles my mind that you still use the same old, lame old gross oversimplification.

This was supposed to happen when Little Boy and Fat Man were dropping and accelerating at free fall from high altitude.
So what?

I know what fission is but explosive fission I consider a bad joke.
Then you don't know fission as well as you think you do.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 25, 2017, 09:37:04 PM
I don't follow.
Yes, that much is painfully obvious.

Offically Little Boy and Fat Man exploded August 1945 when, suddenly, two subcritial parts of metal were brought into contact with each other ... with a free neutron in between ... to become critical and then the explosive fission started that transformed the metal atoms to pure energy (the nanoseconds FLASH) and some new atoms.
The mechanics of the gun type Uranium bomb and implosion type Plutonium bomb have been explained to you so many times that it boggles my mind that you still use the same old, lame old gross oversimplification.

This was supposed to happen when Little Boy and Fat Man were dropping and accelerating at free fall from high altitude.
So what?

I know what fission is but explosive fission I consider a bad joke.
Then you don't know fission as well as you think you do.

Thanks for enlighting me. I know about fission! A neutron splits an atom and releases energy and more neutrons that can fission more atoms - a chain reaction! It happens in a nuclear power plant. Easy to start, stop and control. No problem.

But explosive fission. A chain reaction at the speed of light that consumes all the atoms that can fission in a FLASH! To be used to wipe out people.

I know that some crazy people did it 1945 and that Stalin copied it 1949 but ... after careful examination of available info I consider it pseudo science and propaganda.

I know it upsets you a lot. Ever heard of cognitive dissonance. 
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 26, 2017, 05:07:51 AM
Okay, fine.  Stick with nanoseconds because it hardly matters that much.  The camera they designed to take pictures on the initial explosion took the picture about 20 milliseconds after the initial explosion and the fire ball was about 20 m across.

I’m not retyping what I already posted about initiating fission in a bomb.  Go back and read it.

Are you asking what the triggering mechanism is?  If so I can’t discuss that.  I will tell you that you will never find any documentation on it.  Nor will find anyone to discuss it with you.  You should probably assume it classified at the TS special access level.  You were in the Navy so you should understand classified information.  Right?

However, if you look at Little Boy and Fat Man it’s conceivable they were triggered by the same kind of mechanisms that conventional bombs were. 

How did they do it back in the day?  Timer, altitude, or proximity?  I don’t see why it matters because it’s probably the least complicated aspect of a nuclear weapon.

Mike

I don't follow. Offically Little Boy and Fat Man exploded August 1945 when, suddenly, two subcritial parts of metal were brought into contact with each other ... with a free neutron in between ... to become critical and then the explosive fission started that transformed the metal atoms to pure energy (the nanoseconds FLASH) and some new atoms.

This was supposed to happen when Little Boy and Fat Man were dropping and accelerating at free fall from high altitude.

I know what fission is but explosive fission I consider a bad joke.
It’s ok to consider explosive fission a joke because there is no such thing.  Fission by itself is not nor ever has been explosive

Fission is fission.  Whether it’s the slow reaction rate regulated by the control rods in a reactor plant or the very high reaction rate of prompt criticality it’s all the same.  Of course, if you really understood what fission is and how it works you wouldn’t think fission is explosive.  If you really understood the process you’d know shock wave and mushroom cloud are the result of the intense heat/radiation from an uncontrolled chain reaction.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on July 26, 2017, 05:57:02 AM

What about the pictures and videos of the mushroom cloud after the blast, what could possibly be of such a magnitude for a single explosion other than a nuke? Or even the russian footage of their Tsar Bomba, how could you even think of emulating or faking such explosion with conventional stuff?

All photo shop! I explain it at my website. No videos 1945 though. You film a chemical explosion mushroom cloud, copy paste it anywhere and you say it was an a-bomb. Ever heard of propaganda? How old are you? 10?
You can say those things but you have no proof.  Your website talks about why you think it's true but that doesn't mean it is true.  Stop talking like you have documented, smoking gun proof of any of this.  All you really have is opinion based on you interpretation of some facts.  Opinion is not proof.

BTW, Adobe Photoshop didn't exist before 1990.  Just sayin'.

Mike

All proof is at my website. My findings are well documented.


No it's not. The fact that you've created an elaborate, though cheesy, website in which to express your bizarre opinions does not automatically turn said bizarre opinions into proof. If you think the proof is on your website why not paste the relevant portions here.

BTW we all know why you won't.

Your slurs are just those of a jealous twerp. I am a source. You can quote me. My findings about, e.g. the Estonia incident are historical facts. Of course media cannot quote me due to gate keepers of all sorts, but it is not my problem.

Your website is full of shit in areas which you have no expertise in. So on what basis are you referring to yourself as a source?

Oh, and BTW I am not a twerp and I'm not jealous. At least not of you.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 26, 2017, 06:41:13 AM
... on what basis are you referring to yourself as a source?


Thanks for asking. I am a well educated person with plenty experience and I have done a lot of research and investigations and I have produced a lot of original material about, e.g. safety at sea. So I or http://heiwaco.com  became a source.

The M/S Estonia 1994 sinking is a typical example. I operated similar ropax ships and wanted to find out why she sank. We recreated the trip of the ship in severe weather at the given speed and observed the loads and forces on the foreship. They were heard and felt. You could not miss them. You had to slow down. Etc, etc. The Swedish prime minister lied about everything the same day and ordered a fake investigation to be done by a friend of mine. It is very easy in Sweden. You just black mail people. Assisted by local CIA!

The atomic bombs 1945 is another example. I arrived in Japan 1972 and could have a look in situ. What happened locally at the a-bomb sites was shrouded in mysteries and censorship. But then 1999 I got to know a person who had helped Stalin build his a-bomb 1946/58 using uranium ore from Wismut AG. It appeared that Wismut AG never delivered any uranium ore at all to Stalin, so Stalin could not possibly copy/paste a US a-bomb and explode it 1949. It was all propaganda.

I describe it at my site.

I am the source.

It is original work.

I am very proud of it.

Any Japanese and German wanting to expose the fraud at the time was easily persuaded not to ... by local CIA.

The 911 show 2001 is another example. It is very easy to show that any structure cannot collapse from top down by gravity. A flagpole top decoration cannot crush the pole below, if you put it on fire. FBI in USA and CIA everywhere else will ensure that any twirp suggesting anything else, will not suggest it. Life is tough.

But you Americans can only blame yourself. Exxon Valdez. A loaded tanker went aground due to confusion on the bridge and spilt crude oil. It was an accident ... and I explain why at my site.

But NO. It was no accident. It was all the fault of the Master of the ship. Poor man.

But, if the oil tanker had been better built, no oil spill would have occured.

USA asked me and others to develop a better design.

Which I did.

When it was done and approved by the United Nations and USA 1997, the next day USA said tankers of my design could not enter US ports.

It reminded me of the constitution of the German Democratic Republic 1949; all democratic liberties and rights were guaranteed.  Unless a local regulation at Freiberg i.Sa said otherwise allowing torture and killing people 1958. Life is tough.

But I enjoyed living there 1999-2016.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: FlatAssembler on July 31, 2017, 11:03:13 AM
Hey, Heiwa, what do you think about this:
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=71482.0

And I haven't really understood why my parody (where I applied the logic you use to prove rockets don't exist to the airplanes) would be stupid?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 31, 2017, 06:20:28 PM
... on what basis are you referring to yourself as a source?


Thanks for asking. I am a well educated person with plenty experience and I have done a lot of research and investigations and I have produced a lot of original material about, e.g. safety at sea. So I or http://heiwaco.com  became a source.

The M/S Estonia 1994 sinking is a typical example. I operated similar ropax ships and wanted to find out why she sank. We recreated the trip of the ship in severe weather at the given speed and observed the loads and forces on the foreship. They were heard and felt. You could not miss them. You had to slow down. Etc, etc. The Swedish prime minister lied about everything the same day and ordered a fake investigation to be done by a friend of mine. It is very easy in Sweden. You just black mail people. Assisted by local CIA!

The atomic bombs 1945 is another example. I arrived in Japan 1972 and could have a look in situ. What happened locally at the a-bomb sites was shrouded in mysteries and censorship. But then 1999 I got to know a person who had helped Stalin build his a-bomb 1946/58 using uranium ore from Wismut AG. It appeared that Wismut AG never delivered any uranium ore at all to Stalin, so Stalin could not possibly copy/paste a US a-bomb and explode it 1949. It was all propaganda.

I describe it at my site.

I am the source.

It is original work.

I am very proud of it.

Any Japanese and German wanting to expose the fraud at the time was easily persuaded not to ... by local CIA.

The 911 show 2001 is another example. It is very easy to show that any structure cannot collapse from top down by gravity. A flagpole top decoration cannot crush the pole below, if you put it on fire. FBI in USA and CIA everywhere else will ensure that any twirp suggesting anything else, will not suggest it. Life is tough.

But you Americans can only blame yourself. Exxon Valdez. A loaded tanker went aground due to confusion on the bridge and spilt crude oil. It was an accident ... and I explain why at my site.

But NO. It was no accident. It was all the fault of the Master of the ship. Poor man.

But, if the oil tanker had been better built, no oil spill would have occured.

USA asked me and others to develop a better design.

Which I did.

When it was done and approved by the United Nations and USA 1997, the next day USA said tankers of my design could not enter US ports.

It reminded me of the constitution of the German Democratic Republic 1949; all democratic liberties and rights were guaranteed.  Unless a local regulation at Freiberg i.Sa said otherwise allowing torture and killing people 1958. Life is tough.

But I enjoyed living there 1999-2016.
Oh, get over yourself already.  The only place your website shows up is on a couple of conspiracy websites and other forums where you've been banned.

Since you want to distance yourself from conspiracy theory websites that only leaves the sites you're banned from and nearly every citation is from your own posts... :D

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on July 31, 2017, 06:55:23 PM
I don't follow.
Yes, that much is painfully obvious.

Offically Little Boy and Fat Man exploded August 1945 when, suddenly, two subcritial parts of metal were brought into contact with each other ... with a free neutron in between ... to become critical and then the explosive fission started that transformed the metal atoms to pure energy (the nanoseconds FLASH) and some new atoms.
The mechanics of the gun type Uranium bomb and implosion type Plutonium bomb have been explained to you so many times that it boggles my mind that you still use the same old, lame old gross oversimplification.

This was supposed to happen when Little Boy and Fat Man were dropping and accelerating at free fall from high altitude.
So what?

I know what fission is but explosive fission I consider a bad joke.
Then you don't know fission as well as you think you do.

Thanks for enlighting me. I know about fission! A neutron splits an atom and releases energy and more neutrons that can fission more atoms - a chain reaction! It happens in a nuclear power plant. Easy to start, stop and control. No problem.

But explosive fission. A chain reaction at the speed of light that consumes all the atoms that can fission in a FLASH! To be used to wipe out people.

I know that some crazy people did it 1945 and that Stalin copied it 1949 but ... after careful examination of available info I consider it pseudo science and propaganda.

I know it upsets you a lot. Ever heard of cognitive dissonance.
I know fission.  It's what I did for a living for twelve years in both the US Navy & commercial nuclear power and twenty years in design analysis of reactor plant systems on submarines. 

You, on the other hand, only know what you've read.  You've formed opinions about fission based on erroneous assumptions and very poor research and analysis.

As someone real training, experience, and knowledge in nuclear power I can say that you have only a rudimentary knowledge of fission.  I can say that you have made quite a few incorrect assumptions and are completely wrong about how nuclear reactions work.

So no, you don't have the first clue how fission, and particularly fast fission, works.  If you did you could show what's wrong with the equations that contradict your conclusions.  The fact that you can't even do that is another proof that you don't understand fission.

Mike

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on July 31, 2017, 07:25:25 PM
I can say that you have made quite a few incorrect assumptions and are completely wrong about how nuclear reactions work.

So no, you don't have the first clue how fission, and particularly fast fission, works.  If you did you could show what's wrong with the equations that contradict your conclusions.  The fact that you can't even do that is another proof that you don't understand fission.

Mike

OK - so how do you start a military, explosive fission to blow up a city?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 01, 2017, 01:51:08 AM
I can say that you have made quite a few incorrect assumptions and are completely wrong about how nuclear reactions work.

So no, you don't have the first clue how fission, and particularly fast fission, works.  If you did you could show what's wrong with the equations that contradict your conclusions.  The fact that you can't even do that is another proof that you don't understand fission.

Mike

OK - so how do you start a military, explosive fission to blow up a city?
I've provided you with the theory.  I've provided you with the locations of the current fast fission reactors in the world.  I've provided you with explanations of the function of control rods and what happens when they don't exist.  I've provided you with the equations.

I've already told you how it works. Go back and read the dozens of posts where I and others have explained it to you.  I'm tired of repeating the same stuff just to have you not read it.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 01, 2017, 03:20:14 AM
I can say that you have made quite a few incorrect assumptions and are completely wrong about how nuclear reactions work.

So no, you don't have the first clue how fission, and particularly fast fission, works.  If you did you could show what's wrong with the equations that contradict your conclusions.  The fact that you can't even do that is another proof that you don't understand fission.

Mike

OK - so how do you start a military, explosive fission to blow up a city?
I've provided you with the theory.  I've provided you with the locations of the current fast fission reactors in the world.  I've provided you with explanations of the function of control rods and what happens when they don't exist.  I've provided you with the equations.

I've already told you how it works. Go back and read the dozens of posts where I and others have explained it to you.  I'm tired of repeating the same stuff just to have you not read it.

Mike

No, you have not explained how to start/trigger a military, explosive fission to blow up a city in a FLASH lasting nano-seconds? You haven't even explained how it works.

I know how fission works in a nuclear power plant. It is a slow, moderated process.

But a secret, military, explosive fission, that consumes 60 kgs of fuel in nano-seconds, I consider an invention based on pseudoscience.

Only twerps believe in a secret, military, explosive fission.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 01, 2017, 03:32:37 AM
I can say that you have made quite a few incorrect assumptions and are completely wrong about how nuclear reactions work.

So no, you don't have the first clue how fission, and particularly fast fission, works.  If you did you could show what's wrong with the equations that contradict your conclusions.  The fact that you can't even do that is another proof that you don't understand fission.

Mike

OK - so how do you start a military, explosive fission to blow up a city?
I've provided you with the theory.  I've provided you with the locations of the current fast fission reactors in the world.  I've provided you with explanations of the function of control rods and what happens when they don't exist.  I've provided you with the equations.

I've already told you how it works. Go back and read the dozens of posts where I and others have explained it to you.  I'm tired of repeating the same stuff just to have you not read it.

Mike

No, you have not explained how to start/trigger a military, explosive fission to blow up a city in a FLASH lasting nano-seconds? You haven't even explained how it works.

I know how fission works in a nuclear power plant. It is a slow, moderated process.

But a secret, military, explosive fission, that consumes 60 kgs of fuel in nano-seconds, I consider an invention based on pseudoscience.

Only twerps believe in a secret, military, explosive fission.
Yes I have explained it.  I didn’t explain the triggering mechanism but I did describe how fast fission works in a weapon.  Go back and read it or let it go. 

One thing you don’t seem to understand is that nobody can tell you how the triggering works.  You said you were in the Navy so I don’t understand why it’s so hard for you to understand that something's are classified.  Didn’t you have to deal with that?

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 01, 2017, 03:43:09 AM
I can say that you have made quite a few incorrect assumptions and are completely wrong about how nuclear reactions work.

So no, you don't have the first clue how fission, and particularly fast fission, works.  If you did you could show what's wrong with the equations that contradict your conclusions.  The fact that you can't even do that is another proof that you don't understand fission.

Mike

OK - so how do you start a military, explosive fission to blow up a city?
I've provided you with the theory.  I've provided you with the locations of the current fast fission reactors in the world.  I've provided you with explanations of the function of control rods and what happens when they don't exist.  I've provided you with the equations.

I've already told you how it works. Go back and read the dozens of posts where I and others have explained it to you.  I'm tired of repeating the same stuff just to have you not read it.

Mike

No, you have not explained how to start/trigger a military, explosive fission to blow up a city in a FLASH lasting nano-seconds? You haven't even explained how it works.

I know how fission works in a nuclear power plant. It is a slow, moderated process.

But a secret, military, explosive fission, that consumes 60 kgs of fuel in nano-seconds, I consider an invention based on pseudoscience.

Only twerps believe in a secret, military, explosive fission.
Yes I have explained it.  I didn’t explain the triggering mechanism but I did describe how fast fission works in a weapon.  Go back and read it or let it go. 

One thing you don’t seem to understand is that nobody can tell you how the triggering works.  You said you were in the Navy so I don’t understand why it’s so hard for you to understand that something's are classified.  Didn’t you have to deal with that?

Mike

Thanks. You admit you cannot explain how to start a secret, military, explosive fission, because it is secret. Reason why it is secret is that the whole thing is a hoax! Propaganda.

Only twerps believe in a secret, military, explosive fission lasting nano-seconds.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 01, 2017, 03:55:04 AM
I can say that you have made quite a few incorrect assumptions and are completely wrong about how nuclear reactions work.

So no, you don't have the first clue how fission, and particularly fast fission, works.  If you did you could show what's wrong with the equations that contradict your conclusions.  The fact that you can't even do that is another proof that you don't understand fission.

Mike

OK - so how do you start a military, explosive fission to blow up a city?
I've provided you with the theory.  I've provided you with the locations of the current fast fission reactors in the world.  I've provided you with explanations of the function of control rods and what happens when they don't exist.  I've provided you with the equations.

I've already told you how it works. Go back and read the dozens of posts where I and others have explained it to you.  I'm tired of repeating the same stuff just to have you not read it.

Mike

No, you have not explained how to start/trigger a military, explosive fission to blow up a city in a FLASH lasting nano-seconds? You haven't even explained how it works.

I know how fission works in a nuclear power plant. It is a slow, moderated process.

But a secret, military, explosive fission, that consumes 60 kgs of fuel in nano-seconds, I consider an invention based on pseudoscience.

Only twerps believe in a secret, military, explosive fission.
Yes I have explained it.  I didn’t explain the triggering mechanism but I did describe how fast fission works in a weapon.  Go back and read it or let it go. 

One thing you don’t seem to understand is that nobody can tell you how the triggering works.  You said you were in the Navy so I don’t understand why it’s so hard for you to understand that something's are classified.  Didn’t you have to deal with that?

Mike

Thanks. You admit you cannot explain how to start a secret, military, explosive fission, because it is secret. Reason why it is secret is that the whole thing is a hoax! Propaganda.

Only twerps believe in a secret, military, explosive fission lasting nano-seconds.
Because it's classified you say it doesn't exist.  That's the stupidest rational for supporting a position I've ever heard.

Ok, I'll probably regret this but prove it.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 01, 2017, 04:07:47 AM

Because it's classified you say it doesn't exist.  That's the stupidest rational for supporting a position I've ever heard.

Ok, I'll probably regret this but prove it.

Mike

No, I don't say that. I say it doesn't work. Reason why it is secret is that the development work - the Manhattan project 1942/5 - was a fiasco. FDR prolonged the war against Japan a year trying to develop some plausible propaganda with his fantasy a-bombs. I just analyse the result.

Mike, please. You do not just sound like a twerp. You are a twerp. Try to use whatever is between your ears and I do not mean some glasses. MicroBrain!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 01, 2017, 04:26:07 AM

Because it's classified you say it doesn't exist.  That's the stupidest rational for supporting a position I've ever heard.

Ok, I'll probably regret this but prove it.

Mike

No, I don't say that. I say it doesn't work. Reason why it is secret is that the development work - the Manhattan project 1942/5 - was a fiasco. FDR prolonged the war against Japan a year trying to develop some plausible propaganda with his fantasy a-bombs. I just analyse the result.

Mike, please. You do not just sound like a twerp. You are a twerp. Try to use whatever is between your ears and I do not mean some glasses. MicroBrain!
You really are a whiny little child with the name calling.  Everyone knows you do that to hide the fact you don't know what you're talking about.   Grow up already.

You can say it all you want but you NEVER say why it doesn't work.  Let me be clear...YOUR WEBSITE NEVER SAYS WHY A TRIGGER CANNOT WORK.  You assume it won't work and that's all you say.  You provide ZERO proof and therefore you claims have no credibility.  Prove it or STFU.

You admitted fast fission works but you never address it on your website.  AAMOF, your site still says it’s not possible.  How do you expect people to take you seriously if you can’t even be bothered to fix your site to correct information you already admitted is wrong?

Are you going to keep ignoring the fact that your explanation of radiation is wrong?  You say your all about safety yet you say radiation is harmless.  So which is it?  Are you or are you not about safety?

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on August 01, 2017, 05:18:04 AM

Because it's classified you say it doesn't exist.  That's the stupidest rational for supporting a position I've ever heard.

Ok, I'll probably regret this but prove it.

Mike

No, I don't say that.

Yes. That is exactly what you just said. Dumb as hell!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 01, 2017, 05:21:39 AM

Because it's classified you say it doesn't exist.  That's the stupidest rational for supporting a position I've ever heard.

Ok, I'll probably regret this but prove it.

Mike

No, I don't say that. I say it doesn't work. Reason why it is secret is that the development work - the Manhattan project 1942/5 - was a fiasco. FDR prolonged the war against Japan a year trying to develop some plausible propaganda with his fantasy a-bombs. I just analyse the result.

Mike, please. You do not just sound like a twerp. You are a twerp. Try to use whatever is between your ears and I do not mean some glasses. MicroBrain!
You really are a whiny little child with the name calling.  Everyone knows you do that to hide the fact you don't know what you're talking about.   Grow up already.

You can say it all you want but you NEVER say why it doesn't work.  Let me be clear...YOUR WEBSITE NEVER SAYS WHY A TRIGGER CANNOT WORK.  You assume it won't work and that's all you say.  You provide ZERO proof and therefore you claims have no credibility.  Prove it or STFU.

You admitted fast fission works but you never address it on your website.  AAMOF, your site still says it’s not possible.  How do you expect people to take you seriously if you can’t even be bothered to fix your site to correct information you already admitted is wrong?

Are you going to keep ignoring the fact that your explanation of radiation is wrong?  You say your all about safety yet you say radiation is harmless.  So which is it?  Are you or are you not about safety?

Mike

No, I am myself and thankful that you admit you cannot explain how to start a secret, military, explosive fission, because it is secret. Reason why it is secret is that the whole thing is a hoax! Propaganda. Let's sort that one out first.

Only twerps believe in a secret, military, explosive fission lasting nano-seconds.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 01, 2017, 05:23:35 AM

Because it's classified you say it doesn't exist.  That's the stupidest rational for supporting a position I've ever heard.

Ok, I'll probably regret this but prove it.

Mike

No, I don't say that.

Yes. That is exactly what you just said. Dumb as hell!

No, I don't say that. I said it doesn't work. Are you a twerp?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on August 01, 2017, 05:24:24 AM

Because it's classified you say it doesn't exist.  That's the stupidest rational for supporting a position I've ever heard.

Ok, I'll probably regret this but prove it.

Mike

No, I don't say that. I say it doesn't work. Reason why it is secret is that the development work - the Manhattan project 1942/5 - was a fiasco. FDR prolonged the war against Japan a year trying to develop some plausible propaganda with his fantasy a-bombs. I just analyse the result.

Mike, please. You do not just sound like a twerp. You are a twerp. Try to use whatever is between your ears and I do not mean some glasses. MicroBrain!
You really are a whiny little child with the name calling.  Everyone knows you do that to hide the fact you don't know what you're talking about.   Grow up already.

You can say it all you want but you NEVER say why it doesn't work.  Let me be clear...YOUR WEBSITE NEVER SAYS WHY A TRIGGER CANNOT WORK.  You assume it won't work and that's all you say.  You provide ZERO proof and therefore you claims have no credibility.  Prove it or STFU.

You admitted fast fission works but you never address it on your website.  AAMOF, your site still says it’s not possible.  How do you expect people to take you seriously if you can’t even be bothered to fix your site to correct information you already admitted is wrong?

Are you going to keep ignoring the fact that your explanation of radiation is wrong?  You say your all about safety yet you say radiation is harmless.  So which is it?  Are you or are you not about safety?

Mike

Reason why it is secret is that the whole thing is a hoax!

You just finished saying this is not the reason. Dumber than a lump of coal.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 01, 2017, 05:30:52 AM

Because it's classified you say it doesn't exist.  That's the stupidest rational for supporting a position I've ever heard.

Ok, I'll probably regret this but prove it.

Mike

No, I don't say that. I say it doesn't work. Reason why it is secret is that the development work - the Manhattan project 1942/5 - was a fiasco. FDR prolonged the war against Japan a year trying to develop some plausible propaganda with his fantasy a-bombs. I just analyse the result.

Mike, please. You do not just sound like a twerp. You are a twerp. Try to use whatever is between your ears and I do not mean some glasses. MicroBrain!
You really are a whiny little child with the name calling.  Everyone knows you do that to hide the fact you don't know what you're talking about.   Grow up already.

You can say it all you want but you NEVER say why it doesn't work.  Let me be clear...YOUR WEBSITE NEVER SAYS WHY A TRIGGER CANNOT WORK.  You assume it won't work and that's all you say.  You provide ZERO proof and therefore you claims have no credibility.  Prove it or STFU.

You admitted fast fission works but you never address it on your website.  AAMOF, your site still says it’s not possible.  How do you expect people to take you seriously if you can’t even be bothered to fix your site to correct information you already admitted is wrong?

Are you going to keep ignoring the fact that your explanation of radiation is wrong?  You say your all about safety yet you say radiation is harmless.  So which is it?  Are you or are you not about safety?

Mike

No, I am myself and thankful that you admit you cannot explain how to start a secret, military, explosive fission, because it is secret. Reason why it is secret is that the whole thing is a hoax! Propaganda. Let's sort that one out first.

Only twerps believe in a secret, military, explosive fission lasting nano-seconds.
I’m glad you are yourself...that’s usually a good thing.

I’ve never claimed that I could discuss the triggering mechanism.  You on the other hand keep saying it’s a hoax but refuse to prove it.  How can you call yourself a source for information when you don’t have any?

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 01, 2017, 05:38:53 AM

Because it's classified you say it doesn't exist.  That's the stupidest rational for supporting a position I've ever heard.

Ok, I'll probably regret this but prove it.

Mike

No, I don't say that.

Yes. That is exactly what you just said. Dumb as hell!

No, I don't say that. I said it doesn't work. Are you a twerp?
Your conclusion that a-bombs are fake rests on two pieces of information.

1. You claim that only thermal fission is possible.  You’ve admitted that fast fission is possible so that claim is invalid.

2. You claim it is that it’s impossible to trigger a nuclear explosion but yet, you provide not proof of this and cannot prove it's a hoax.

Since you’ve admitted 1 is wrong and you can’t prove 2, this means your whole a-bomb website is invalid.  When will you admit you are wrong?

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 01, 2017, 05:50:24 AM

Because it's classified you say it doesn't exist.  That's the stupidest rational for supporting a position I've ever heard.

Ok, I'll probably regret this but prove it.

Mike

No, I don't say that.

Yes. That is exactly what you just said. Dumb as hell!

No, I don't say that. I said it doesn't work. Are you a twerp?
Your conclusion that a-bombs are fake rests on two pieces of information.

1. You claim that only thermal fission is possible.  You’ve admitted that fast fission is possible so that claim is invalid.

2. You claim it is that it’s impossible to trigger a nuclear explosion but yet, you provide not proof of this and cannot prove it's a hoax.

Since you’ve admitted 1 is wrong and you can’t prove 2, this means your whole a-bomb website is invalid.  When will you admit you are wrong?

Mike

No, fission is fission. Only twerps think fission is something else.

If you think, LOL, anything is wrong at http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm, just copy/paste it and add your thoughts ROTFL.

You are a real TWERP, Mike. Admit it. Anyone paying you must be a double twerp. You are in good hands.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on August 01, 2017, 06:06:44 AM

Because it's classified you say it doesn't exist.  That's the stupidest rational for supporting a position I've ever heard.

Ok, I'll probably regret this but prove it.

Mike

No, I don't say that.

Yes. That is exactly what you just said. Dumb as hell!

No, I don't say that. I said it doesn't work. Are you a twerp?
Your conclusion that a-bombs are fake rests on two pieces of information.

1. You claim that only thermal fission is possible.  You’ve admitted that fast fission is possible so that claim is invalid.

2. You claim it is that it’s impossible to trigger a nuclear explosion but yet, you provide not proof of this and cannot prove it's a hoax.

Since you’ve admitted 1 is wrong and you can’t prove 2, this means your whole a-bomb website is invalid.  When will you admit you are wrong?

Mike

No, fission is fission. Only twerps think fission is something else.

If you think, LOL, anything is wrong at , just copy/paste it and add your thoughts ROTFL.

You are a real TWERP, Mike. Admit it. Anyone paying you must be a double twerp. You are in good hands.

The part we think is wrong is the part where you say triggering an A-bomb doesn't work, but the only proof you offer is that it's classified.

Dumb as a rock.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 01, 2017, 06:09:49 AM

Because it's classified you say it doesn't exist.  That's the stupidest rational for supporting a position I've ever heard.

Ok, I'll probably regret this but prove it.

Mike

No, I don't say that.

Yes. That is exactly what you just said. Dumb as hell!

No, I don't say that. I said it doesn't work. Are you a twerp?
Your conclusion that a-bombs are fake rests on two pieces of information.

1. You claim that only thermal fission is possible.  You’ve admitted that fast fission is possible so that claim is invalid.

2. You claim it is that it’s impossible to trigger a nuclear explosion but yet, you provide not proof of this and cannot prove it's a hoax.

Since you’ve admitted 1 is wrong and you can’t prove 2, this means your whole a-bomb website is invalid.  When will you admit you are wrong?

Mike

No, fission is fission. Only twerps think fission is something else.

If you think, LOL, anything is wrong at http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm, just copy/paste it and add your thoughts ROTFL.

You are a real TWERP, Mike. Admit it. Anyone paying you must be a double twerp. You are in good hands.
You are a whiny name calling little child.  Try to be an adult and engage in civil conservation.  If you can.  You required it of me, now I'm requiring it of you.

In the following link, you admitted that fast fission is possible

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=11293.msg1925210#msg1925210

 
OK. Fission, including fast fission works. It is the same thing. Fast or not. Fission is always fast or not. A free neutron splits an atom. It goes fast. And a little later energy is released.

<snip>

The following are two quotes from your website.

Fission is only possible under moderated/controlled conditions.”

Reason is that real fission is only possible by moderated, controlled, rather slow neutrons inside a peaceful nuclear power station. 

Fission is not possible by instantaneous, fast, not moderated neutrons
...”

You’ve admitted fast fission is possible making these two quotes false.  This applies to the dozens of other saying the same thing but I didn’t want to include them all. 

Now fix you site or take it down.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 01, 2017, 09:30:12 AM

Because it's classified you say it doesn't exist.  That's the stupidest rational for supporting a position I've ever heard.

Ok, I'll probably regret this but prove it.

Mike

No, I don't say that.

Yes. That is exactly what you just said. Dumb as hell!

No, I don't say that. I said it doesn't work. Are you a twerp?
Your conclusion that a-bombs are fake rests on two pieces of information.

1. You claim that only thermal fission is possible.  You’ve admitted that fast fission is possible so that claim is invalid.

2. You claim it is that it’s impossible to trigger a nuclear explosion but yet, you provide not proof of this and cannot prove it's a hoax.

Since you’ve admitted 1 is wrong and you can’t prove 2, this means your whole a-bomb website is invalid.  When will you admit you are wrong?

Mike

No, fission is fission. Only twerps think fission is something else.

If you think, LOL, anything is wrong at , just copy/paste it and add your thoughts ROTFL.

You are a real TWERP, Mike. Admit it. Anyone paying you must be a double twerp. You are in good hands.

The part we think is wrong is the part where you say triggering an A-bomb doesn't work, but the only proof you offer is that it's classified.

Dumb as a rock.

Hm, but I describe the triggering of an a-bomb at my website as per offical info. It is very simple:

You suddenly collide or push together two sub-critical parts of fissionable material (total 61 kg) at great speeds, so they are compressed to double densisty or something, and then ... explosive fission starts by a free neutron in between and ... after a few nano-seconds ... the solid parts are split into billions of sub parts flying away and transformed into kinetic energy ... destroyings cities and humans.

I also suggest it is pure pseudoscience. You really should visit my website
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 01, 2017, 09:41:53 AM

Hm, but I describe the triggering of an a-bomb at my website as per offical info. It is very simple:

You suddenly collide or push together two sub-critical parts of fissionable material (total 61 kg) at great speeds, so they are compressed to double densisty or something, and then ... explosive fission starts by a free neutron in between and ... after a few nano-seconds ... the solid parts are split into billions of sub parts flying away and transformed into kinetic energy ... destroyings cities and humans.

I also suggest it is pure pseudoscience. You really should visit my website
You have absolutely no basis or proof to call it pseudoscience.  The physics, theory, and math are well established and you just ignore all of that because you don't have a leg to stand on to dispute any of it.

BTW, Have you updated your website yet?

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 01, 2017, 10:03:31 AM

Hm, but I describe the triggering of an a-bomb at my website as per offical info. It is very simple:

You suddenly collide or push together two sub-critical parts of fissionable material (total 61 kg) at great speeds, so they are compressed to double densisty or something, and then ... explosive fission starts by a free neutron in between and ... after a few nano-seconds ... the solid parts are split into billions of sub parts flying away and transformed into kinetic energy ... destroyings cities and humans.

I also suggest it is pure pseudoscience. You really should visit my website
You have absolutely no basis or proof to call it pseudoscience.  The physics, theory, and math are well established and you just ignore all of that because you don't have a leg to stand on to dispute any of it.

BTW, Have you updated your website yet?

Mike

Well, that sudden compressing two bits of metal uranium starts explosive fission that transforms the two bits into billions of smaller bits + radiation in nano-seconds in a FLASH is ... a stupid, pseudoscientific scam of the worst kind.

Only twerps would suggest anything like it. I name them at my website, so you are not alone. Of course the POTUS FDR decided 1945 by executive order that anyone disagreeing would be killed. Stalin liked it a lot and copied it.

You are not only a twirp, MicroBrain, you sound like a tewwowwisit. I feel sorry for you.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 01, 2017, 10:22:25 AM

Hm, but I describe the triggering of an a-bomb at my website as per offical info. It is very simple:

You suddenly collide or push together two sub-critical parts of fissionable material (total 61 kg) at great speeds, so they are compressed to double densisty or something, and then ... explosive fission starts by a free neutron in between and ... after a few nano-seconds ... the solid parts are split into billions of sub parts flying away and transformed into kinetic energy ... destroyings cities and humans.

I also suggest it is pure pseudoscience. You really should visit my website
You have absolutely no basis or proof to call it pseudoscience.  The physics, theory, and math are well established and you just ignore all of that because you don't have a leg to stand on to dispute any of it.

BTW, Have you updated your website yet?

Mike

Well, that sudden compressing two bits of metal uranium starts explosive fission that transforms the two bits into billions of smaller bits + radiation in nano-seconds in a FLASH is ... a stupid, pseudoscientific scam of the worst kind.

Only twerps would suggest anything like it. I name them at my website, so you are not alone. Of course the POTUS FDR decided 1945 by executive order that anyone disagreeing would be killed. Stalin liked it a lot and copied it.

You are not only a twirp, MicroBrain, you sound like a tewwowwisit. I feel sorry for you.
So you're not going to fix the incorrect info on your a-bomb website that you have admitted is incorrect?  I knew you wouldn't.  I didn't think you could have less credibility but it's dropping by the second.

You really need to start being civil and polite just as you required of me.

Good that you, like me, have watched the ISS flying past like a very bright spot in the sky at/after sunset lit up by the Sun - speed >7 kms/s. I have also taken photos of it and tried to observe it in a telescope. To me it looks like a silver balloon. Feel free to question my observations. But try to be polite using civil language.

Imagine being in it, jumping into a little capsule that undocks from the ISS and then drops down into the atmosphere, finds location B at 120 km altitude, re-enters and lands safely. According my calculations the capsule simply burns up! It is not possible to return from a satellite. It is always a one-way trip.

Re radiation - I explain it at my web site - http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm . Yes, inside a nuclear power plant combustion chamber, where fission takes place, radiation is strong. But outside it is very weak and doesn't harm anything.

It is very easy to scare people with radiation.

The poor people that survivied Hiroshima and Nagasaki 1945 were told that they would die within a year from radiation and that the towns could not be lived in for 500 years. We know it was propaganda.

The people at Fukushima were also told that they would soon die from radiation ... and ... that it was contagious (!), so they should not mix with normal people, not affected by radiation. But now people have been ordered to return back to Fukushima and forget the whole thing. It is a scandal, but the Japanese are very polite and just bow and shut up.

 
OK. Fission, including fast fission works. It is the same thing. Fast or not. Fission is always fast or not. A free neutron splits an atom. It goes fast. And a little later energy is released.

<snip>

The following are two quotes from your website.

Fission is only possible under moderated/controlled conditions.”

Reason is that real fission is only possible by moderated, controlled, rather slow neutrons inside a peaceful nuclear power station. 

Fission is not possible by instantaneous, fast, not moderated neutrons
...”

You’ve admitted fast fission is possible making these two quotes false.  This applies to the dozens of other saying the same thing but I didn’t want to include them all. 

Now fix you site or take it down.



Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 01, 2017, 10:51:03 AM

The following are two quotes from your website.

Fission is only possible under moderated/controlled conditions.”

Reason is that real fission is only possible by moderated, controlled, rather slow neutrons inside a peaceful nuclear power station. 

Fission is not possible by instantaneous, fast, not moderated neutrons
...”

You’ve admitted fast fission is possible making these two quotes false.  This applies to the dozens of other saying the same thing but I didn’t want to include them all. 

Now fix you site or take it down.

Hm, you, MicroBrain, have to do better than that.

The quotes are correct!

And as I have already said several times:  Sudden compressing two bits of metal uranium to start explosive fission that transforms the two bits into billions of smaller bits + radiation in nano-seconds in a FLASH is ... a stupid, pseudoscientific scam of the worst kind.

Only twerps would suggest anything like it. I name them at my website, so you are not alone. Of course the POTUS FDR decided 1945 by executive order that anyone disagreeing would be killed. Stalin liked it a lot and copied it.

You are not only a twirp, MicroBrain, you sound like a tewwowwisit. I feel sorry for you.

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 01, 2017, 10:54:56 AM

The following are two quotes from your website.

Fission is only possible under moderated/controlled conditions.”

Reason is that real fission is only possible by moderated, controlled, rather slow neutrons inside a peaceful nuclear power station. 

Fission is not possible by instantaneous, fast, not moderated neutrons
...”

You’ve admitted fast fission is possible making these two quotes false.  This applies to the dozens of other saying the same thing but I didn’t want to include them all. 

Now fix you site or take it down.

Hm, you, MicroBrain, have to do better than that.

The quotes are correct!

And as I have already said several times:  Sudden compressing two bits of metal uranium to start explosive fission that transforms the two bits into billions of smaller bits + radiation in nano-seconds in a FLASH is ... a stupid, pseudoscientific scam of the worst kind.

Only twerps would suggest anything like it. I name them at my website, so you are not alone. Of course the POTUS FDR decided 1945 by executive order that anyone disagreeing would be killed. Stalin liked it a lot and copied it.

You are not only a twirp, MicroBrain, you sound like a tewwowwisit. I feel sorry for you.
So did you lie when you said..

OK. Fission, including fast fission works. It is the same thing. Fast or not. Fission is always fast or not. A free neutron splits an atom. It goes fast.

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 01, 2017, 11:03:15 AM

The following are two quotes from your website.

Fission is only possible under moderated/controlled conditions.”

Reason is that real fission is only possible by moderated, controlled, rather slow neutrons inside a peaceful nuclear power station. 

Fission is not possible by instantaneous, fast, not moderated neutrons
...”

You’ve admitted fast fission is possible making these two quotes false.  This applies to the dozens of other saying the same thing but I didn’t want to include them all. 

Now fix you site or take it down.

Hm, you, MicroBrain, have to do better than that.

The quotes are correct!

And as I have already said several times:  Sudden compressing two bits of metal uranium to start explosive fission that transforms the two bits into billions of smaller bits + radiation in nano-seconds in a FLASH is ... a stupid, pseudoscientific scam of the worst kind.

Only twerps would suggest anything like it. I name them at my website, so you are not alone. Of course the POTUS FDR decided 1945 by executive order that anyone disagreeing would be killed. Stalin liked it a lot and copied it.

You are not only a twirp, MicroBrain, you sound like a tewwowwisit. I feel sorry for you.
So did you lie when you said..

OK. Fission, including fast fission works. It is the same thing. Fast or not. Fission is always fast or not. A free neutron splits an atom. It goes fast.

No, there is only one type of fission. A neutron splits an atom. I explain it at my website. It is fast.

The military, explosive fission destroying towns and killing millions of people in nano-seconds is just propaganda. You really have to read what I write at my popular website.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 01, 2017, 11:10:21 AM

The following are two quotes from your website.

Fission is only possible under moderated/controlled conditions.”

Reason is that real fission is only possible by moderated, controlled, rather slow neutrons inside a peaceful nuclear power station. 

Fission is not possible by instantaneous, fast, not moderated neutrons
...”

You’ve admitted fast fission is possible making these two quotes false.  This applies to the dozens of other saying the same thing but I didn’t want to include them all. 

Now fix you site or take it down.

Hm, you, MicroBrain, have to do better than that.

The quotes are correct!

And as I have already said several times:  Sudden compressing two bits of metal uranium to start explosive fission that transforms the two bits into billions of smaller bits + radiation in nano-seconds in a FLASH is ... a stupid, pseudoscientific scam of the worst kind.

Only twerps would suggest anything like it. I name them at my website, so you are not alone. Of course the POTUS FDR decided 1945 by executive order that anyone disagreeing would be killed. Stalin liked it a lot and copied it.

You are not only a twirp, MicroBrain, you sound like a tewwowwisit. I feel sorry for you.
So did you lie when you said..

OK. Fission, including fast fission works. It is the same thing. Fast or not. Fission is always fast or not. A free neutron splits an atom. It goes fast.

No, there is only one type of fission. A neutron splits an atom. I explain it at my website. It is fast.

The military, explosive fission destroying towns and killing millions of people in nano-seconds is just propaganda. You really have to read what I write at my popular website.
Okay, which one of these is the lie...

From your website:
Fission is not possible by instantaneous, fast, not moderated neutrons...”

What you posted here:
OK. Fission, including fast fission works. It is the same thing. Fast or not. Fission is always fast or not. A free neutron splits an atom. It goes fast.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 01, 2017, 12:45:02 PM

The following are two quotes from your website.

Fission is only possible under moderated/controlled conditions.”

Reason is that real fission is only possible by moderated, controlled, rather slow neutrons inside a peaceful nuclear power station. 

Fission is not possible by instantaneous, fast, not moderated neutrons
...”

You’ve admitted fast fission is possible making these two quotes false.  This applies to the dozens of other saying the same thing but I didn’t want to include them all. 

Now fix you site or take it down.

Hm, you, MicroBrain, have to do better than that.

The quotes are correct!

And as I have already said several times:  Sudden compressing two bits of metal uranium to start explosive fission that transforms the two bits into billions of smaller bits + radiation in nano-seconds in a FLASH is ... a stupid, pseudoscientific scam of the worst kind.

Only twerps would suggest anything like it. I name them at my website, so you are not alone. Of course the POTUS FDR decided 1945 by executive order that anyone disagreeing would be killed. Stalin liked it a lot and copied it.

You are not only a twirp, MicroBrain, you sound like a tewwowwisit. I feel sorry for you.
So did you lie when you said..

OK. Fission, including fast fission works. It is the same thing. Fast or not. Fission is always fast or not. A free neutron splits an atom. It goes fast.

No, there is only one type of fission. A neutron splits an atom. I explain it at my website. It is fast.

The military, explosive fission destroying towns and killing millions of people in nano-seconds is just propaganda. You really have to read what I write at my popular website.
Okay, which one of these is the lie...

From your website:
Fission is not possible by instantaneous, fast, not moderated neutrons...”

What you posted here:
OK. Fission, including fast fission works. It is the same thing. Fast or not. Fission is always fast or not. A free neutron splits an atom. It goes fast.

Well, MicroBrain.

You really have to try to understand what fission is.

It is neutrons spiitting atoms. It can only take place under controlled conditions, e.g. in a nuclear power plant. It produces steam that produces electricity.

Fission cannot take place by pushing two pieces of metal together so they explode in a FLASH that lasts nano-seconds and wipes out towns and people.

Only twerps think fission results in a FLASH.

You should really study http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm . It is a great article - written by me.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 01, 2017, 12:46:59 PM

The following are two quotes from your website.

Fission is only possible under moderated/controlled conditions.”

Reason is that real fission is only possible by moderated, controlled, rather slow neutrons inside a peaceful nuclear power station. 

Fission is not possible by instantaneous, fast, not moderated neutrons
...”

You’ve admitted fast fission is possible making these two quotes false.  This applies to the dozens of other saying the same thing but I didn’t want to include them all. 

Now fix you site or take it down.

Hm, you, MicroBrain, have to do better than that.

The quotes are correct!

And as I have already said several times:  Sudden compressing two bits of metal uranium to start explosive fission that transforms the two bits into billions of smaller bits + radiation in nano-seconds in a FLASH is ... a stupid, pseudoscientific scam of the worst kind.

Only twerps would suggest anything like it. I name them at my website, so you are not alone. Of course the POTUS FDR decided 1945 by executive order that anyone disagreeing would be killed. Stalin liked it a lot and copied it.

You are not only a twirp, MicroBrain, you sound like a tewwowwisit. I feel sorry for you.
So did you lie when you said..

OK. Fission, including fast fission works. It is the same thing. Fast or not. Fission is always fast or not. A free neutron splits an atom. It goes fast.

No, there is only one type of fission. A neutron splits an atom. I explain it at my website. It is fast.

The military, explosive fission destroying towns and killing millions of people in nano-seconds is just propaganda. You really have to read what I write at my popular website.
Okay, which one of these is the lie...

From your website:
Fission is not possible by instantaneous, fast, not moderated neutrons...”

What you posted here:
OK. Fission, including fast fission works. It is the same thing. Fast or not. Fission is always fast or not. A free neutron splits an atom. It goes fast.

Well, MicroBrain.

You really have to try to understand what fission is.

It is neutrons spiitting atoms. It can only take place under controlled conditions, e.g. in a nuclear power plant. It produces steam that produces electricity.

Fission cannot take place by pushing two pieces of metal together so they explode in a FLASH that lasts nano-seconds and wipes out towns and people.

Only twerps think fission results in a FLASH.

You should really study http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm . It is a great article - written by me.
I fully understand what fission is. Are you going to answer the question?

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 01, 2017, 12:56:56 PM

The following are two quotes from your website.

Fission is only possible under moderated/controlled conditions.”

Reason is that real fission is only possible by moderated, controlled, rather slow neutrons inside a peaceful nuclear power station. 

Fission is not possible by instantaneous, fast, not moderated neutrons
...”

You’ve admitted fast fission is possible making these two quotes false.  This applies to the dozens of other saying the same thing but I didn’t want to include them all. 

Now fix you site or take it down.

Hm, you, MicroBrain, have to do better than that.

The quotes are correct!

And as I have already said several times:  Sudden compressing two bits of metal uranium to start explosive fission that transforms the two bits into billions of smaller bits + radiation in nano-seconds in a FLASH is ... a stupid, pseudoscientific scam of the worst kind.

Only twerps would suggest anything like it. I name them at my website, so you are not alone. Of course the POTUS FDR decided 1945 by executive order that anyone disagreeing would be killed. Stalin liked it a lot and copied it.

You are not only a twirp, MicroBrain, you sound like a tewwowwisit. I feel sorry for you.
So did you lie when you said..

OK. Fission, including fast fission works. It is the same thing. Fast or not. Fission is always fast or not. A free neutron splits an atom. It goes fast.

No, there is only one type of fission. A neutron splits an atom. I explain it at my website. It is fast.

The military, explosive fission destroying towns and killing millions of people in nano-seconds is just propaganda. You really have to read what I write at my popular website.
Okay, which one of these is the lie...

From your website:
Fission is not possible by instantaneous, fast, not moderated neutrons...”

What you posted here:
OK. Fission, including fast fission works. It is the same thing. Fast or not. Fission is always fast or not. A free neutron splits an atom. It goes fast.

Well, MicroBrain.

You really have to try to understand what fission is.

It is neutrons spiitting atoms. It can only take place under controlled conditions, e.g. in a nuclear power plant. It produces steam that produces electricity.

Fission cannot take place by pushing two pieces of metal together so they explode in a FLASH that lasts nano-seconds and wipes out towns and people.

Only twerps think fission results in a FLASH.

You should really study http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm . It is a great article - written by me.
I fully understand what fission is. Are you going to answer the question?

Mike

You should really study http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm . It is a great article - written by me. The answer to your question is there.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 01, 2017, 12:59:28 PM

The following are two quotes from your website.

Fission is only possible under moderated/controlled conditions.”

Reason is that real fission is only possible by moderated, controlled, rather slow neutrons inside a peaceful nuclear power station. 

Fission is not possible by instantaneous, fast, not moderated neutrons
...”

You’ve admitted fast fission is possible making these two quotes false.  This applies to the dozens of other saying the same thing but I didn’t want to include them all. 

Now fix you site or take it down.

Hm, you, MicroBrain, have to do better than that.

The quotes are correct!

And as I have already said several times:  Sudden compressing two bits of metal uranium to start explosive fission that transforms the two bits into billions of smaller bits + radiation in nano-seconds in a FLASH is ... a stupid, pseudoscientific scam of the worst kind.

Only twerps would suggest anything like it. I name them at my website, so you are not alone. Of course the POTUS FDR decided 1945 by executive order that anyone disagreeing would be killed. Stalin liked it a lot and copied it.

You are not only a twirp, MicroBrain, you sound like a tewwowwisit. I feel sorry for you.
So did you lie when you said..

OK. Fission, including fast fission works. It is the same thing. Fast or not. Fission is always fast or not. A free neutron splits an atom. It goes fast.

No, there is only one type of fission. A neutron splits an atom. I explain it at my website. It is fast.

The military, explosive fission destroying towns and killing millions of people in nano-seconds is just propaganda. You really have to read what I write at my popular website.
Okay, which one of these is the lie...

From your website:
Fission is not possible by instantaneous, fast, not moderated neutrons...”

What you posted here:
OK. Fission, including fast fission works. It is the same thing. Fast or not. Fission is always fast or not. A free neutron splits an atom. It goes fast.

Well, MicroBrain.

You really have to try to understand what fission is.

It is neutrons spiitting atoms. It can only take place under controlled conditions, e.g. in a nuclear power plant. It produces steam that produces electricity.

Fission cannot take place by pushing two pieces of metal together so they explode in a FLASH that lasts nano-seconds and wipes out towns and people.

Only twerps think fission results in a FLASH.

You should really study http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm . It is a great article - written by me.
I fully understand what fission is. Are you going to answer the question?

Mike

You should really study http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm . It is a great article - written by me. The answer to your question is there.
My question isn't about a-bombs. It's which of your statements are a lie. Will you answer the question?

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 01, 2017, 01:04:36 PM


You should really study http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm . It is a great article - written by me. The answer to your question is there.
My question isn't about a-bombs. It's which of your statements are a lie. Will you answer the question?

Mike

You should really study http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm . It is a great article - written by me. The answer to your question is there
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: markjo on August 01, 2017, 01:09:18 PM
You really have to try to understand what fission is.

It is neutrons spiitting atoms. It can only take place under controlled conditions, e.g. in a nuclear power plant. It produces steam that produces electricity.

Fission cannot take place by pushing two pieces of metal together so they explode in a FLASH that lasts nano-seconds and wipes out towns and people.
Would you care to explain what "critical mass" means in the context of nuclear fission?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 01, 2017, 01:13:17 PM
You really have to try to understand what fission is.

It is neutrons spiitting atoms. It can only take place under controlled conditions, e.g. in a nuclear power plant. It produces steam that produces electricity.

Fission cannot take place by pushing two pieces of metal together so they explode in a FLASH that lasts nano-seconds and wipes out towns and people.
Would you care to explain what "critical mass" means in the context of nuclear fission?
I already did so no. Not again.

However, Okay, which one of these is the lie...

From your website:
Fission is not possible by instantaneous, fast, not moderated neutrons...”

What you posted here:
OK. Fission, including fast fission works. It is the same thing. Fast or not. Fission is always fast or not. A free neutron splits an atom. It goes fast.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 01, 2017, 01:17:29 PM
You really have to try to understand what fission is.

It is neutrons spiitting atoms. It can only take place under controlled conditions, e.g. in a nuclear power plant. It produces steam that produces electricity.

Fission cannot take place by pushing two pieces of metal together so they explode in a FLASH that lasts nano-seconds and wipes out towns and people.
Would you care to explain what "critical mass" means in the context of nuclear fission?

I do it at http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm .

It is pseudoscience developed by some US clowns 1942/5 and copied by Stalin 45/9. A 'critical mass' explodes in a nano-seconds, explosive, fission FLASH, if hit by one little free neutron. The little neutron starts a chain reaction at the speed of light. So 'critical masses' are very dangerous.

But if a 'critical mass' is split in half, each half is not critical and will no explode at the speed of light. It is all very simple;

Of course it is a JOKE!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 01, 2017, 01:26:52 PM
You really have to try to understand what fission is.

It is neutrons spiitting atoms. It can only take place under controlled conditions, e.g. in a nuclear power plant. It produces steam that produces electricity.

Fission cannot take place by pushing two pieces of metal together so they explode in a FLASH that lasts nano-seconds and wipes out towns and people.
Would you care to explain what "critical mass" means in the context of nuclear fission?
I already did so no. Not again.

However, Okay, which one of these is the lie...

From your website:
Fission is not possible by instantaneous, fast, not moderated neutrons...”

What you posted here:
OK. Fission, including fast fission works. It is the same thing. Fast or not. Fission is always fast or not. A free neutron splits an atom. It goes fast.

Well, quote me properly:

Quote
Reason is that real fission is only possible by moderated, controlled, rather slow neutrons inside a peaceful nuclear power station.
Fission is not possible by instantaneous, fast, not moderated neutrons in an exploding a-bomb with a  FLASH. It was not known, when the a-bomb was invented 1942 by some crazy scientists. The inventors thought that fast, not moderated neutrons, released by fission could exponentially produce more fission and release enormous amount of heat/energy at the speed of light in an a-bomb FLASH.
But it doesn't work like that. Fission is always moderated and controlled. Many people get upset about it. They are paid to lie about a-bombs
!

Just quote me properly, please. Don't pick some words at random from a text.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 01, 2017, 01:39:54 PM
You really have to try to understand what fission is.

It is neutrons spiitting atoms. It can only take place under controlled conditions, e.g. in a nuclear power plant. It produces steam that produces electricity.

Fission cannot take place by pushing two pieces of metal together so they explode in a FLASH that lasts nano-seconds and wipes out towns and people.
Would you care to explain what "critical mass" means in the context of nuclear fission?

I do it at http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm .

It is pseudoscience developed by some US clowns 1942/5 and copied by Stalin 45/9. A 'critical mass' explodes in a nano-seconds, explosive, fission FLASH, if hit by one little free neutron. The little neutron starts a chain reaction at the speed of light. So 'critical masses' are very dangerous.

But if a 'critical mass' is split in half, each half is not critical and will no explode at the speed of light. It is all very simple;

Of course it is a JOKE!
You really don't have a clue what you're talking about.

As we've already discussed here, critical mass is vitally important for reactor plant operation. For a given geometry its the mass needed to sustain a chain reaction. It is NOT pseudoscience.

BTW, your website says over and over that fast fission is impossible.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 01, 2017, 01:44:07 PM
You really have to try to understand what fission is.

It is neutrons spiitting atoms. It can only take place under controlled conditions, e.g. in a nuclear power plant. It produces steam that produces electricity.

Fission cannot take place by pushing two pieces of metal together so they explode in a FLASH that lasts nano-seconds and wipes out towns and people.
Would you care to explain what "critical mass" means in the context of nuclear fission?
I already did so no. Not again.

However, Okay, which one of these is the lie...

From your website:
Fission is not possible by instantaneous, fast, not moderated neutrons...”

What you posted here:
OK. Fission, including fast fission works. It is the same thing. Fast or not. Fission is always fast or not. A free neutron splits an atom. It goes fast.

Well, quote me properly:

Quote
Reason is that real fission is only possible by moderated, controlled, rather slow neutrons inside a peaceful nuclear power station.
Fission is not possible by instantaneous, fast, not moderated neutrons in an exploding a-bomb with a  FLASH. It was not known, when the a-bomb was invented 1942 by some crazy scientists. The inventors thought that fast, not moderated neutrons, released by fission could exponentially produce more fission and release enormous amount of heat/energy at the speed of light in an a-bomb FLASH.
But it doesn't work like that. Fission is always moderated and controlled. Many people get upset about it. They are paid to lie about a-bombs
!

Just quote me properly, please. Don't pick some words at random from a text.
Your are a poor researcher with absolutely no objectivity or integrity.

It's clear that you would rather lie and obfuscate than admit you're wrong.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on August 01, 2017, 01:51:13 PM
You are just wasting your time, Mike. A guy spent over 200 pages trying to get Heiwa to concede that he won his space travel challenge. You won't ever win an argument with him.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on August 01, 2017, 02:09:21 PM
But it's still good to have guys like Mike who hold his feet to the fire. You can tell he doesn't like it 'cause he gets testier and actually spends less time here. He's probably spending more time offline nursing his wounds. LOL
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on August 01, 2017, 02:17:26 PM
I just think a guy like Mike has much better things to do than argue with that idiot on an obscure internet forum lol.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 01, 2017, 02:26:22 PM
I just think a guy like Mike has much better things to do than argue with that idiot on an obscure internet forum lol.
I have plenty to do and I do it.  e.g. I'm involved with local politic and causes.  This started out as an interesting discussion but has turned into...well, weirdness.  It's a decent distraction.

I would like to get him to fix his descriptions of radiation.  It's irresponsible and may even be dangerous.  It's a good thing nobody actually reads his webpages.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on August 01, 2017, 02:49:40 PM
Anybody with at least one working brain cell would not believe anything coming from Anders Bjorkman.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: markjo on August 01, 2017, 03:12:29 PM
You really have to try to understand what fission is.

It is neutrons spiitting atoms. It can only take place under controlled conditions, e.g. in a nuclear power plant. It produces steam that produces electricity.

Fission cannot take place by pushing two pieces of metal together so they explode in a FLASH that lasts nano-seconds and wipes out towns and people.
Would you care to explain what "critical mass" means in the context of nuclear fission?
I already did so no. Not again.
Sorry Mike, but I was asking Anders to explain, not you.





You really have to try to understand what fission is.

It is neutrons spiitting atoms. It can only take place under controlled conditions, e.g. in a nuclear power plant. It produces steam that produces electricity.

Fission cannot take place by pushing two pieces of metal together so they explode in a FLASH that lasts nano-seconds and wipes out towns and people.
Would you care to explain what "critical mass" means in the context of nuclear fission?

I do it at http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm .

It is pseudoscience developed by some US clowns 1942/5 and copied by Stalin 45/9. A 'critical mass' explodes in a nano-seconds, explosive, fission FLASH, if hit by one little free neutron. The little neutron starts a chain reaction at the speed of light. So 'critical masses' are very dangerous.

But if a 'critical mass' is split in half, each half is not critical and will no explode at the speed of light. It is all very simple;

Of course it is a JOKE!
So you don't think that critical mass applies to peaceful, moderated nuclear power plants?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 01, 2017, 03:18:28 PM
You really have to try to understand what fission is.

It is neutrons spiitting atoms. It can only take place under controlled conditions, e.g. in a nuclear power plant. It produces steam that produces electricity.

Fission cannot take place by pushing two pieces of metal together so they explode in a FLASH that lasts nano-seconds and wipes out towns and people.
Would you care to explain what "critical mass" means in the context of nuclear fission?
I already did so no. Not again.
Sorry Mike, but I was asking Anders to explain, not you.





You really have to try to understand what fission is.

It is neutrons spiitting atoms. It can only take place under controlled conditions, e.g. in a nuclear power plant. It produces steam that produces electricity.

Fission cannot take place by pushing two pieces of metal together so they explode in a FLASH that lasts nano-seconds and wipes out towns and people.
Would you care to explain what "critical mass" means in the context of nuclear fission?

I do it at http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm .

It is pseudoscience developed by some US clowns 1942/5 and copied by Stalin 45/9. A 'critical mass' explodes in a nano-seconds, explosive, fission FLASH, if hit by one little free neutron. The little neutron starts a chain reaction at the speed of light. So 'critical masses' are very dangerous.

But if a 'critical mass' is split in half, each half is not critical and will no explode at the speed of light. It is all very simple;

Of course it is a JOKE!
So you don't think that critical mass applies to peaceful, moderated nuclear power plants?

Nope, I'm sorry.  I was on my phone and thought it was him.  My mistake not yours.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 01, 2017, 04:54:27 PM
You really have to try to understand what fission is.

It is neutrons spiitting atoms. It can only take place under controlled conditions, e.g. in a nuclear power plant. It produces steam that produces electricity.

Fission cannot take place by pushing two pieces of metal together so they explode in a FLASH that lasts nano-seconds and wipes out towns and people.
Would you care to explain what "critical mass" means in the context of nuclear fission?
I already did so no. Not again.

However, Okay, which one of these is the lie...

From your website:
Fission is not possible by instantaneous, fast, not moderated neutrons...”

What you posted here:
OK. Fission, including fast fission works. It is the same thing. Fast or not. Fission is always fast or not. A free neutron splits an atom. It goes fast.

Well, quote me properly:

Quote
Reason is that real fission is only possible by moderated, controlled, rather slow neutrons inside a peaceful nuclear power station.
Fission is not possible by instantaneous, fast, not moderated neutrons in an exploding a-bomb with a  FLASH. It was not known, when the a-bomb was invented 1942 by some crazy scientists. The inventors thought that fast, not moderated neutrons, released by fission could exponentially produce more fission and release enormous amount of heat/energy at the speed of light in an a-bomb FLASH.
But it doesn't work like that. Fission is always moderated and controlled. Many people get upset about it. They are paid to lie about a-bombs
!

Just quote me properly, please. Don't pick some words at random from a text.
Okay, I’ll play your silly game.  The following is a list of errors on website.  I included the complete paragraph to ensure context.  I found other errors but I’ll only address the problems with your interpretation of fast fission. 

I proved to you that fast fission exists.  I proved to you that fast fission reactors exist; three of which were in France.  They were used to produce fissile material for France’s nuclear weapons program.

The following is what you posted when you admitted fast fission exists.

OK. Fission, including fast fission works. It is the same thing. Fast or not. Fission is always fast or not. A free neutron splits an atom. It goes fast.

FIX YOU WEBSITE OR TAKE IT DOWN.

In the following text the red text is incorrect because as you have admitted fast fission exists.  Further as we know fast fission reactors exist.  There were three of them in France alone.

Quote
All scientists in the world? Only a small handful military scientists design a-bombs in secrecy! Wellerstein carefully avoids referring to the dumb exponential chain reaction of a critical mass causing an atomic explosion during nano-seconds theory, and talks about fast nuclear fission in enriched materials, which is something completely different. There is no such thing as "fast fission nuclear chain reaction" or an exponential chain reaction causing an explosion. Evidently I do not suggest that all scientists in the world are dupes or fools and part of a conspiracy. Why would I do that? Lack of understanding? We all agree that slow nuclear fission is real. Only an exponential nuclear chain reaction/fission of a critical mass lasting nano-seconds set off by some mysterious means producing an explosion is fantasy, as Manne Siegbahn indicated to me in the 1960s. All full scale tests of nuclear explosions are faked. There is no way to set them off safely.

Fact remains that any nuclear chain reaction or fission must be moderated or controlled like in a peaceful nuclear power reactor to work, i.e. the neutrons must be slowed down. It is the simple reason why USA, its Department of War and Charles A. Willoughby created the exponential, chain-reaction atom of a critical mass splitting a-bomb explosion propaganda 1945 to impress friends and foes.

In the following text the red text is incorrect because as you have admitted fast fission exists.  Further as we know fast fission reactors exist.  There were three of them in France alone.

Quote
Nuclear fission is only possible under moderated and controlled conditions by slow neutrons to produce energy in form of electricity and heat.

In the following text the red text is incorrect because as you have admitted fast fission exists.  Further as we know fast fission reactors exist.  There were three of them in France alone.

Quote
Fission is only possible under moderated/controlled conditions. I wonder why Wikipedia cannot say so!

In the following text the red text is incorrect because as you have admitted fast fission exists.  Further as we know fast fission reactors exist.  There were three of them in France alone.

Quote
I conclude today it applies to all later versions of a-bombs, incl. the infamous B61 Silver Bullet from 1963 but still 2017 the mainstay of US military defenses described below and as mentioned above to be newly produced again. All bullshit, actually.

Reason is that real fission is only possible by moderated, controlled, rather slow neutrons inside a peaceful nuclear power station.
Fission is not possible by instantaneous, fast, not moderated neutrons in an exploding a-bomb with a FLASH. It was not known, when the a-bomb was invented 1942 by some crazy scientists. The inventors thought that fast, not moderated neutrons, released by fission could exponentially produce more fission and release enormous amount of heat/energy at the speed of light in an a-bomb FLASH.

But it doesn't work like that. Fission is always moderated and controlled. Many people get upset about it. They are paid to lie about a-bombs!

In the following text the red text is incorrect because as you have admitted fast fission exists.  Further as we know fast fission reactors exist.  There were three of them in France alone.
 
Quote
Fast neutrons, subatomic particles, just fly away at 20.000.000 m/s speed and disintegrate into other subatomic particles. For neutrons to produce fission in a nuclear power station, they must be moderated/controlled, i.e. slowed down 10.000 times to 2.000 m/s speed or less or be sucked up by special control rods. But as all was secret 1945 the responsible parties decided to fake it to keep FDR happy. Wikipedia still cannot make any sense out of it.

In the following text the red text is incorrect because as you have admitted fast fission exists.  Further as we know fast fission reactors exist.  There were three of them in France alone.

Quote
Nuclear fission is just uranium or plutonium atoms splitting into smaller atoms (not carbon or oxygen) radiating pure energy/heat only under moderated conditions in a peaceful nuclear power station. No solid masses are transformed into pure energy.

In the following text the red text is incorrect because as you have admitted fast fission exists.  Further as we know fast fission reactors exist.  There were three of them in France alone.

Quote
Fact remains that any nuclear chain reaction or fission must be moderated or controlled like in a peaceful nuclear power reactor to work, i.e. the neutrons must be slowed down. It is the simple reason why USA, its Department of War and Charles A. Willoughby created the exponential, chain-reaction atom of a critical mass splitting a-bomb explosion propaganda 1945 to impress friends and foes.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 01, 2017, 04:55:25 PM
You really have to try to understand what fission is.

It is neutrons spiitting atoms. It can only take place under controlled conditions, e.g. in a nuclear power plant. It produces steam that produces electricity.

Fission cannot take place by pushing two pieces of metal together so they explode in a FLASH that lasts nano-seconds and wipes out towns and people.
Would you care to explain what "critical mass" means in the context of nuclear fission?
I already did so no. Not again.

However, Okay, which one of these is the lie...

From your website:
Fission is not possible by instantaneous, fast, not moderated neutrons...”

What you posted here:
OK. Fission, including fast fission works. It is the same thing. Fast or not. Fission is always fast or not. A free neutron splits an atom. It goes fast.

Well, quote me properly:

Quote
Reason is that real fission is only possible by moderated, controlled, rather slow neutrons inside a peaceful nuclear power station.
Fission is not possible by instantaneous, fast, not moderated neutrons in an exploding a-bomb with a  FLASH. It was not known, when the a-bomb was invented 1942 by some crazy scientists. The inventors thought that fast, not moderated neutrons, released by fission could exponentially produce more fission and release enormous amount of heat/energy at the speed of light in an a-bomb FLASH.
But it doesn't work like that. Fission is always moderated and controlled. Many people get upset about it. They are paid to lie about a-bombs
!

Just quote me properly, please. Don't pick some words at random from a text.
The following is a list of errors on your website pertaining to ionizing radiation.  I included the complete ionizing radiation section to ensure context.   To make it easier to follow, I struck out your text and inserted mine in blue.  Your description and conclusions concerning ionizing radiation are incorrect, misleading, and possibly even dangerous.  What if some child reads your website and thinks it is okay to play with the alpha source in the smoke detector.  The results could be catastrophic and it would be your fault.  It would be irresponsible of you if you don't correct these errors or remove this section altogether.
 
Quote
Ionizing radiation takes different forms according to conventional wisdom 2017: There are alpha, beta, and neutron particles with mass flying around, and gamma and X-rays of pure energy without mass also flying around as radiation. All types of such radiation are caused by unstable atoms, which have either an excess of energy or mass or both. In order to reach a stable state, these atoms must release that extra energy or mass in the form of invisible radiation at various speeds and intensities.

Alpha radiation is just helium atoms with mass that fly away hurting nobody.
Alpha (α+) - two protons, two neutrons.  Very heavy compared to neutron, beta, and gamma.  Will only travel a few centimeters in air and cannot outer layer of skin.  However, it’s positively charge and very massive...in an atomic structure kinda way.  Very damaging when taken internally and to the eyes.  It has a very dense ionization track.  Meaning it causes a lot of damage in its short path through tissue.  It causes many secondary ionizations.  Through direct collision and electrical interactions (it has a +2 charge) it strips electrons, neutrons, protons, and produces photons (gamma) all of which themselves cause ionization.  It does a lot of damage is a very short path through tissue.

Beta radiation is electrons with much less mass that cannot hurt anyone either.
Beta (ß-) - Basically an electron.  It’ll travel a couple of meters through air and can penetrate thin clothing.  Like an α+ it is an issue to the eyes or if taken internally.  While it has a less dense ionization track than α+ it travels farther through tissue.

Gamma radiation is photons (like light or sun shine) with no mass at all but which contain energy to heat you up; compare sun burn of your skin. Better hide below a parasol, if you are exposed for hours to it on a sunny beach!

X-rays are similar to gamma radiation but man-made to be used as a medical tool. They only last seconds.
Gamma (γ) - Very high energy photon.  Travels very, very far with a very dense ionization track and is also an internal and external hazard.

Neutron radiation consists of free neutrons, usually emitted as a result of spontaneous or induced nuclear fission. Water moderates the free neutrons, so they either produce more fission or just die down in the water. In air the free neutrons just fly away and die. Neutron radiation is however also able to turn atoms of other materials radioactive - the neutrons are absorbed by the atoms one way or other - and this is what happens in nuclear power plants. A small fraction of the used nuclear fuel becomes radioactive due to neutron radiation and must be stored somewhere until methods are found to treat it to become harmless. No big deal, in my opinion.
Neutron (η) - It's...well...a neutron.  Travels very far and is both an internal and external hazard.  Causes secondary ionizations by direct collision...and a lot of them causing secondary ionization over a very long path; which is why it’s so damaging.

Thus it seems most radiation is harmless and that the only risk is from radioactive fuel rests (ash) that is spread in the environment due to accidents, e.g. at nuclear power plants. This situation is unfortunately used by well paid nuclear scientists that lie about the Hiroshima and Nagasaki incidents to scare everyone about nuclear weapons since 1945. The invisible radiation is dangerous. It may kill you, it is contagious and, if you have been radiated by it, you are a risk to society, bla, bla, bla. I do not trust these 'experts'.
All forms of ionizing radiation are harmful and can be dangerous if not properly controlled or used correctly.
It is just old fashioned governments, racist propaganda spread by main stream media to scare us.

It is a pity that an intelligent people like Japan remains 2017 fooled by the stupid American propaganda since 1945. Reason is that the Japanese in power and its media like to treat the people like idiots ... and the people are too polite to object.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 01, 2017, 10:35:03 PM
You really have to try to understand what fission is.

It is neutrons spiitting atoms. It can only take place under controlled conditions, e.g. in a nuclear power plant. It produces steam that produces electricity.

Fission cannot take place by pushing two pieces of metal together so they explode in a FLASH that lasts nano-seconds and wipes out towns and people.
Would you care to explain what "critical mass" means in the context of nuclear fission?
I already did so no. Not again.

However, Okay, which one of these is the lie...

From your website:
Fission is not possible by instantaneous, fast, not moderated neutrons...”

What you posted here:
OK. Fission, including fast fission works. It is the same thing. Fast or not. Fission is always fast or not. A free neutron splits an atom. It goes fast.

Well, quote me properly:

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Reason is that real fission is only possible by moderated, controlled, rather slow neutrons inside a peaceful nuclear power station.
Fission is not possible by instantaneous, fast, not moderated neutrons in an exploding a-bomb with a  FLASH. It was not known, when the a-bomb was invented 1942 by some crazy scientists. The inventors thought that fast, not moderated neutrons, released by fission could exponentially produce more fission and release enormous amount of heat/energy at the speed of light in an a-bomb FLASH.
But it doesn't work like that. Fission is always moderated and controlled. Many people get upset about it. They are paid to lie about a-bombs
!

Just quote me properly, please. Don't pick some words at random from a text.
The following is a list of errors on your website pertaining to ionizing radiation.  I included the complete ionizing radiation section to ensure context.   To make it easier to follow, I struck out your text and inserted mine in blue.  Your description and conclusions concerning ionizing radiation are incorrect, misleading, and possibly even dangerous.  What if some child reads your website and thinks it is okay to play with the alpha source in the smoke detector.  The results could be catastrophic and it would be your fault.  It would be irresponsible of you if you don't correct these errors or remove this section altogether.
 
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Ionizing radiation takes different forms according to conventional wisdom 2017: There are alpha, beta, and neutron particles with mass flying around, and gamma and X-rays of pure energy without mass also flying around as radiation. All types of such radiation are caused by unstable atoms, which have either an excess of energy or mass or both. In order to reach a stable state, these atoms must release that extra energy or mass in the form of invisible radiation at various speeds and intensities.

Alpha radiation is just helium atoms with mass that fly away hurting nobody.
Alpha (α+) - two protons, two neutrons.  Very heavy compared to neutron, beta, and gamma.  Will only travel a few centimeters in air and cannot outer layer of skin.  However, it’s positively charge and very massive...in an atomic structure kinda way.  Very damaging when taken internally and to the eyes.  It has a very dense ionization track.  Meaning it causes a lot of damage in its short path through tissue.  It causes many secondary ionizations.  Through direct collision and electrical interactions (it has a +2 charge) it strips electrons, neutrons, protons, and produces photons (gamma) all of which themselves cause ionization.  It does a lot of damage is a very short path through tissue.

Beta radiation is electrons with much less mass that cannot hurt anyone either.
Beta (ß-) - Basically an electron.  It’ll travel a couple of meters through air and can penetrate thin clothing.  Like an α+ it is an issue to the eyes or if taken internally.  While it has a less dense ionization track than α+ it travels farther through tissue.

Gamma radiation is photons (like light or sun shine) with no mass at all but which contain energy to heat you up; compare sun burn of your skin. Better hide below a parasol, if you are exposed for hours to it on a sunny beach!

X-rays are similar to gamma radiation but man-made to be used as a medical tool. They only last seconds.
Gamma (γ) - Very high energy photon.  Travels very, very far with a very dense ionization track and is also an internal and external hazard.

Neutron radiation consists of free neutrons, usually emitted as a result of spontaneous or induced nuclear fission. Water moderates the free neutrons, so they either produce more fission or just die down in the water. In air the free neutrons just fly away and die. Neutron radiation is however also able to turn atoms of other materials radioactive - the neutrons are absorbed by the atoms one way or other - and this is what happens in nuclear power plants. A small fraction of the used nuclear fuel becomes radioactive due to neutron radiation and must be stored somewhere until methods are found to treat it to become harmless. No big deal, in my opinion.
Neutron (η) - It's...well...a neutron.  Travels very far and is both an internal and external hazard.  Causes secondary ionizations by direct collision...and a lot of them causing secondary ionization over a very long path; which is why it’s so damaging.

Thus it seems most radiation is harmless and that the only risk is from radioactive fuel rests (ash) that is spread in the environment due to accidents, e.g. at nuclear power plants. This situation is unfortunately used by well paid nuclear scientists that lie about the Hiroshima and Nagasaki incidents to scare everyone about nuclear weapons since 1945. The invisible radiation is dangerous. It may kill you, it is contagious and, if you have been radiated by it, you are a risk to society, bla, bla, bla. I do not trust these 'experts'.
All forms of ionizing radiation are harmful and can be dangerous if not properly controlled or used correctly.
It is just old fashioned governments, racist propaganda spread by main stream media to scare us.

It is a pity that an intelligent people like Japan remains 2017 fooled by the stupid American propaganda since 1945. Reason is that the Japanese in power and its media like to treat the people like idiots ... and the people are too polite to object.

Mike

Thanks. The differences are not great so I stand by my text at http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm .

I fully agree with you that "All forms of ionizing radiation are harmful and can be dangerous if not properly controlled or used correctly."

My article is about a-bombs being a hoax - an invention - so there is no radiation from a-bombs. Only propaganda. To scare!

I also mention peaceful nuclear power. It is also harmless and safe if properly controlled and correctly used. I like nuclear power a lot being a big shareholder of EDF.

So what about the radiation? Noone has died from radiation at Fukushima incident and I describe it at my article. Of course 100 000's of Japanese were told that radiation would kill them, so they had to flee, abandon, homes and work, etc, etc, ... but now they are told they MUST go back, bla, bla, bla. All are healthy - apart from those injured by stress and worries, etc, etc.

But it is a fact - noone from Fukushima or in Japan has died from alfa, beta, gamma and neutron radiation at Fukushima. The authorites fooled the public by false propaganda.

So there is nothing wrong with my article/text. Do no quote me out of context.

Please note that it helps to be polite, factual and on topic when you post here. This is a friendly discussion forum where people with different opinions meet and exchange ideas. I know that my ideas are not politically correct, particularly not in the USA, so I am very happy not being there.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 02, 2017, 02:15:39 AM
Thanks. The differences are not great so I stand by my text at http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm .
You are wrong here.  The definitions I posted are correct and explain the potential harmful effects.  Further, your definitions are not quite right.  I did Radiation Health Physics in the Navy and in commercial nuclear power.  I still maintain that your version is potentially dangerous and irresponsible.

I fully agree with you that "All forms of ionizing radiation are harmful and can be dangerous if not properly controlled or used correctly."

My article is about a-bombs being a hoax - an invention - so there is no radiation from a-bombs. Only propaganda. To scare!
What your article is about is irrelevant to the definitions of radiation.  A definition do not change with subject matter being presented.

If you fully agree then why does your website say it's harmless?

I also mention peaceful nuclear power. It is also harmless and safe if properly controlled and correctly used. I like nuclear power a lot being a big shareholder of EDF.

So what about the radiation? Noone has died from radiation at Fukushima incident and I describe it at my article. Of course 100 000's of Japanese were told that radiation would kill them, so they had to flee, abandon, homes and work, etc, etc, ... but now they are told they MUST go back, bla, bla, bla. All are healthy - apart from those injured by stress and worries, etc, etc.

But it is a fact - noone from Fukushima or in Japan has died from alfa, beta, gamma and neutron radiation at Fukushima. The authorites fooled the public by false propaganda.

So there is nothing wrong with my article/text. Do no quote me out of context.
I quoted the complete text from a section to ensure context.  AAMOF, I quoted the entire section of the definition of ionizing radiation so you cannot say I took it out of context.

You admitted that fast fission works which makes statements on your website factually incorrect.

There is no such thing as "fast fission nuclear chain reaction"
...and...
Fact remains that any nuclear chain reaction or fission must be moderated or controlled like in a peaceful nuclear power reactor to work, i.e. the neutrons must be slowed down.

I’m sorry but the factually incorrect statements about fast and thermal fission (thermal fission is the proper terminology) make it look like you haven’t done the proper research

Please note that it helps to be polite, factual and on topic when you post here. This is a friendly discussion forum where people with different opinions meet and exchange ideas. I know that my ideas are not politically correct, particularly not in the USA, so I am very happy not being there.
This last statement is comical coming from you.  I’ve lost count of the number of post where you’ve called me a “twerp”, “microbrain”, and worst of all “terrorist”.  The vast majority of your posts to me and others have personal attacks in them.  Then you have the balls to tell me to be polite.  You need to take your own advice and start being polite to the other posters in this forum.

By your own admission the statements on fast & thermal fission I quoted with full context are factually incorrect.  So, I have to ask.  Is the following quote by you a lie or not?

OK. Fission, including fast fission works. It is the same thing. Fast or not. Fission is always fast or not. A free neutron splits an atom. It goes fast.

You need to address these glaring errors in your website. 

If you don’t want to fix the errors about fast & thermal fission that’s your choice.  But those of us with actual training and experience in nuclear power know better.

However, I will not stop pointing out the factually incorrect and potentially hazardous errors in your definitions of ionizing radiation.  These errors indicate shoddy research and demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of the subject matter.  You really must fix the section on ionizing radiation because it’s not only factually incorrect it is irresponsible and potentially dangerous.  Someone reading your section on radiation might believe you know what you’re talking about and the improperly handle radioactive sources from such things a smoke detectors, old watches, or uranium glass thinking they are not a hazard.  Someone reading you definitions of radiation might think it’s okay to buy radioactive test sources from Amazon not having the first clue how to properly handle them.

Or, is being right more important to you than potentially killing a child because (s)he believes your claim that radiation is harmless.

Mike
Title: nd
Post by: Heiwa on August 02, 2017, 03:53:23 AM
Thanks. The differences are not great so I stand by my text at http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm .
You are wrong here.  The definitions I posted are correct and explain the potential harmful effects.  Further, your definitions are not quite right.  I did Radiation Health Physics in the Navy and in commercial nuclear power.  I still maintain that your version is potentially dangerous and irresponsible.

I fully agree with you that "All forms of ionizing radiation are harmful and can be dangerous if not properly controlled or used correctly."

My article is about a-bombs being a hoax - an invention - so there is no radiation from a-bombs. Only propaganda. To scare!
What your article is about is irrelevant to the definitions of radiation.  A definition do not change with subject matter being presented.

If you fully agree then why does your website say it's harmless?

I also mention peaceful nuclear power. It is also harmless and safe if properly controlled and correctly used. I like nuclear power a lot being a big shareholder of EDF.

So what about the radiation? Noone has died from radiation at Fukushima incident and I describe it at my article. Of course 100 000's of Japanese were told that radiation would kill them, so they had to flee, abandon, homes and work, etc, etc, ... but now they are told they MUST go back, bla, bla, bla. All are healthy - apart from those injured by stress and worries, etc, etc.

But it is a fact - noone from Fukushima or in Japan has died from alfa, beta, gamma and neutron radiation at Fukushima. The authorites fooled the public by false propaganda.

So there is nothing wrong with my article/text. Do no quote me out of context.
I quoted the complete text from a section to ensure context.  AAMOF, I quoted the entire section of the definition of ionizing radiation so you cannot say I took it out of context.

You admitted that fast fission works which makes statements on your website factually incorrect.

There is no such thing as "fast fission nuclear chain reaction"
...and...
Fact remains that any nuclear chain reaction or fission must be moderated or controlled like in a peaceful nuclear power reactor to work, i.e. the neutrons must be slowed down.

I’m sorry but the factually incorrect statements about fast and thermal fission (thermal fission is the proper terminology) make it look like you haven’t done the proper research

Please note that it helps to be polite, factual and on topic when you post here. This is a friendly discussion forum where people with different opinions meet and exchange ideas. I know that my ideas are not politically correct, particularly not in the USA, so I am very happy not being there.
This last statement is comical coming from you.  I’ve lost count of the number of post where you’ve called me a “twerp”, “microbrain”, and worst of all “terrorist”.  The vast majority of your posts to me and others have personal attacks in them.  Then you have the balls to tell me to be polite.  You need to take your own advice and start being polite to the other posters in this forum.

By your own admission the statements on fast & thermal fission I quoted with full context are factually incorrect.  So, I have to ask.  Is the following quote by you a lie or not?

OK. Fission, including fast fission works. It is the same thing. Fast or not. Fission is always fast or not. A free neutron splits an atom. It goes fast.

You need to address these glaring errors in your website. 

If you don’t want to fix the errors about fast & thermal fission that’s your choice.  But those of us with actual training and experience in nuclear power know better.

However, I will not stop pointing out the factually incorrect and potentially hazardous errors in your definitions of ionizing radiation.  These errors indicate shoddy research and demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of the subject matter.  You really must fix the section on ionizing radiation because it’s not only factually incorrect it is irresponsible and potentially dangerous.  Someone reading your section on radiation might believe you know what you’re talking about and the improperly handle radioactive sources from such things a smoke detectors, old watches, or uranium glass thinking they are not a hazard.  Someone reading you definitions of radiation might think it’s okay to buy radioactive test sources from Amazon not having the first clue how to properly handle them.

Or, is being right more important to you than potentially killing a child because (s)he believes your claim that radiation is harmless.

Mike

Thanks for your comments and suggestions.

However, you forget that my web page in question is about a-bomb fakery and propaganda to scare the shit out of normal people. It is a big scam. The US governments used and use numerous 'experts' to say a-bombs kill, not only when they FLASH but also afterwards! The radiation will kill you afterwards, bla, bla, bla. All 100% lies.

And you ignore them.

So I assume you agree with me that explosive fission FLASH a-bombs do not work and that you just make stupid remarks about details - fast versus slow fission, harmless versus deadly radiation, etc, etc. - to impress some particular interests. You work in the US military-industrial complex so I understand your dilemma. If I were you I would change job. Do some constructive! Wasting stolen money on nonsense cannot be fun.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Kami on August 02, 2017, 04:02:27 AM
Yeah, those pesky little details between harmless and deadly radiation. People confuse them all the time.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on August 02, 2017, 04:04:11 AM
Stalin was good at airbrushing people out of history, literally. This is an example from a Life magazine I own from 1970 showing the removal of Alexander Dubček:

(http://onebigmonkey.com/apollo/CATM/ch5/wpimages/wp7a8e639d_05_06.jpg)

As I point out on my own site, the original existed, the forgery was spotted, no-one was fooled.

What Heiwa is doing is the same thing - trying to airbrush history to match his own version of events. Unfortunately for him there are enough people out there with access to original information and who understand things properly. Atom bombs are real, the moon landings were real, buildings in New York collapsed when some set of twats flew planes into them.

He famously airbrushed Trotski out of everything.

(https://s4.postimg.org/if6kicaq5/20170802_190016.jpg)

(https://s4.postimg.org/uceju7wh9/20170802_190058.jpg)

P.S thanks for the rare pic.
Title: Re: nd
Post by: MicroBeta on August 02, 2017, 04:07:01 AM
Thanks. The differences are not great so I stand by my text at http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm .
You are wrong here.  The definitions I posted are correct and explain the potential harmful effects.  Further, your definitions are not quite right.  I did Radiation Health Physics in the Navy and in commercial nuclear power.  I still maintain that your version is potentially dangerous and irresponsible.

I fully agree with you that "All forms of ionizing radiation are harmful and can be dangerous if not properly controlled or used correctly."

My article is about a-bombs being a hoax - an invention - so there is no radiation from a-bombs. Only propaganda. To scare!
What your article is about is irrelevant to the definitions of radiation.  A definition do not change with subject matter being presented.

If you fully agree then why does your website say it's harmless?

I also mention peaceful nuclear power. It is also harmless and safe if properly controlled and correctly used. I like nuclear power a lot being a big shareholder of EDF.

So what about the radiation? Noone has died from radiation at Fukushima incident and I describe it at my article. Of course 100 000's of Japanese were told that radiation would kill them, so they had to flee, abandon, homes and work, etc, etc, ... but now they are told they MUST go back, bla, bla, bla. All are healthy - apart from those injured by stress and worries, etc, etc.

But it is a fact - noone from Fukushima or in Japan has died from alfa, beta, gamma and neutron radiation at Fukushima. The authorites fooled the public by false propaganda.

So there is nothing wrong with my article/text. Do no quote me out of context.
I quoted the complete text from a section to ensure context.  AAMOF, I quoted the entire section of the definition of ionizing radiation so you cannot say I took it out of context.

You admitted that fast fission works which makes statements on your website factually incorrect.

There is no such thing as "fast fission nuclear chain reaction"
...and...
Fact remains that any nuclear chain reaction or fission must be moderated or controlled like in a peaceful nuclear power reactor to work, i.e. the neutrons must be slowed down.

I’m sorry but the factually incorrect statements about fast and thermal fission (thermal fission is the proper terminology) make it look like you haven’t done the proper research

Please note that it helps to be polite, factual and on topic when you post here. This is a friendly discussion forum where people with different opinions meet and exchange ideas. I know that my ideas are not politically correct, particularly not in the USA, so I am very happy not being there.
This last statement is comical coming from you.  I’ve lost count of the number of post where you’ve called me a “twerp”, “microbrain”, and worst of all “terrorist”.  The vast majority of your posts to me and others have personal attacks in them.  Then you have the balls to tell me to be polite.  You need to take your own advice and start being polite to the other posters in this forum.

By your own admission the statements on fast & thermal fission I quoted with full context are factually incorrect.  So, I have to ask.  Is the following quote by you a lie or not?

OK. Fission, including fast fission works. It is the same thing. Fast or not. Fission is always fast or not. A free neutron splits an atom. It goes fast.

You need to address these glaring errors in your website. 

If you don’t want to fix the errors about fast & thermal fission that’s your choice.  But those of us with actual training and experience in nuclear power know better.

However, I will not stop pointing out the factually incorrect and potentially hazardous errors in your definitions of ionizing radiation.  These errors indicate shoddy research and demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of the subject matter.  You really must fix the section on ionizing radiation because it’s not only factually incorrect it is irresponsible and potentially dangerous.  Someone reading your section on radiation might believe you know what you’re talking about and the improperly handle radioactive sources from such things a smoke detectors, old watches, or uranium glass thinking they are not a hazard.  Someone reading you definitions of radiation might think it’s okay to buy radioactive test sources from Amazon not having the first clue how to properly handle them.

Or, is being right more important to you than potentially killing a child because (s)he believes your claim that radiation is harmless.

Mike

Thanks for your comments and suggestions.

However, you forget that my web page in question is about a-bomb fakery and propaganda to scare the shit out of normal people. It is abig scam. The US governments used and uses numerous 'experts' to say a-bombs kill, not only when they FLASH but also afterwards! The radiation will kill you afterwards, bla, bla, bla. All 100% lies.

And you ignore them.

So I assume you agree with me that explosive fission FLASH a-bombs do not work and that you just make stupid remarks about details - fast versus slow fission, harmless versus deadly radiation, etc, etc. - to impress some particular interests. You work in the US military-industrial complex so I understand your dilemma. If I were you I would change job. Do some constructive! Wasting stolen money on nonsense cannot be fun.
Your website is about a-bombs being fake.  So what.  It doesn't change the fact that you statements concerning fast & thermal fission is factually incorrect.  Since you use your assertion that fast fission is impossible as a basis for a-bombs being fake it invalidates you conclusions.

The subject of your website also has no bearing on you descriptions of radiation being factually incorrect and irresponsible.
Title: Re: nd
Post by: Heiwa on August 02, 2017, 04:19:06 AM
Thanks. The differences are not great so I stand by my text at http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm .
You are wrong here.  The definitions I posted are correct and explain the potential harmful effects.  Further, your definitions are not quite right.  I did Radiation Health Physics in the Navy and in commercial nuclear power.  I still maintain that your version is potentially dangerous and irresponsible.

I fully agree with you that "All forms of ionizing radiation are harmful and can be dangerous if not properly controlled or used correctly."

My article is about a-bombs being a hoax - an invention - so there is no radiation from a-bombs. Only propaganda. To scare!
What your article is about is irrelevant to the definitions of radiation.  A definition do not change with subject matter being presented.

If you fully agree then why does your website say it's harmless?

I also mention peaceful nuclear power. It is also harmless and safe if properly controlled and correctly used. I like nuclear power a lot being a big shareholder of EDF.

So what about the radiation? Noone has died from radiation at Fukushima incident and I describe it at my article. Of course 100 000's of Japanese were told that radiation would kill them, so they had to flee, abandon, homes and work, etc, etc, ... but now they are told they MUST go back, bla, bla, bla. All are healthy - apart from those injured by stress and worries, etc, etc.

But it is a fact - noone from Fukushima or in Japan has died from alfa, beta, gamma and neutron radiation at Fukushima. The authorites fooled the public by false propaganda.

So there is nothing wrong with my article/text. Do no quote me out of context.
I quoted the complete text from a section to ensure context.  AAMOF, I quoted the entire section of the definition of ionizing radiation so you cannot say I took it out of context.

You admitted that fast fission works which makes statements on your website factually incorrect.

There is no such thing as "fast fission nuclear chain reaction"
...and...
Fact remains that any nuclear chain reaction or fission must be moderated or controlled like in a peaceful nuclear power reactor to work, i.e. the neutrons must be slowed down.

I’m sorry but the factually incorrect statements about fast and thermal fission (thermal fission is the proper terminology) make it look like you haven’t done the proper research

Please note that it helps to be polite, factual and on topic when you post here. This is a friendly discussion forum where people with different opinions meet and exchange ideas. I know that my ideas are not politically correct, particularly not in the USA, so I am very happy not being there.
This last statement is comical coming from you.  I’ve lost count of the number of post where you’ve called me a “twerp”, “microbrain”, and worst of all “terrorist”.  The vast majority of your posts to me and others have personal attacks in them.  Then you have the balls to tell me to be polite.  You need to take your own advice and start being polite to the other posters in this forum.

By your own admission the statements on fast & thermal fission I quoted with full context are factually incorrect.  So, I have to ask.  Is the following quote by you a lie or not?

OK. Fission, including fast fission works. It is the same thing. Fast or not. Fission is always fast or not. A free neutron splits an atom. It goes fast.

You need to address these glaring errors in your website. 

If you don’t want to fix the errors about fast & thermal fission that’s your choice.  But those of us with actual training and experience in nuclear power know better.

However, I will not stop pointing out the factually incorrect and potentially hazardous errors in your definitions of ionizing radiation.  These errors indicate shoddy research and demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of the subject matter.  You really must fix the section on ionizing radiation because it’s not only factually incorrect it is irresponsible and potentially dangerous.  Someone reading your section on radiation might believe you know what you’re talking about and the improperly handle radioactive sources from such things a smoke detectors, old watches, or uranium glass thinking they are not a hazard.  Someone reading you definitions of radiation might think it’s okay to buy radioactive test sources from Amazon not having the first clue how to properly handle them.

Or, is being right more important to you than potentially killing a child because (s)he believes your claim that radiation is harmless.

Mike

Thanks for your comments and suggestions.

However, you forget that my web page in question is about a-bomb fakery and propaganda to scare the shit out of normal people. It is abig scam. The US governments used and uses numerous 'experts' to say a-bombs kill, not only when they FLASH but also afterwards! The radiation will kill you afterwards, bla, bla, bla. All 100% lies.

And you ignore them.

So I assume you agree with me that explosive fission FLASH a-bombs do not work and that you just make stupid remarks about details - fast versus slow fission, harmless versus deadly radiation, etc, etc. - to impress some particular interests. You work in the US military-industrial complex so I understand your dilemma. If I were you I would change job. Do some constructive! Wasting stolen money on nonsense cannot be fun.
Your website is about a-bombs being fake.  So what.  It doesn't change the fact that you statements concerning fast & thermal fission is factually incorrect.  Since you use your assertion that fast fission is impossible as a basis for a-bombs being fake it invalidates you conclusions.

The subject of your website also has no bearing on you descriptions of radiation being factually incorrect and irresponsible.

Thanks that you agree that my webpage is about fake a-bombs, fake a-bombs radiation, fake secret, miltary, explosive fission FLASH bombs destroying everything in nano-seconds and that my conclusions are right. Or wrong?

Why do you get upset about alleged  factually incorrect details ... where you are wrong?

You really have to do better, MicroBrain.

Has anyone died at Fukushima from radiation?
Title: Re: nd
Post by: MicroBeta on August 02, 2017, 04:55:15 AM
Thanks. The differences are not great so I stand by my text at http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm .
You are wrong here.  The definitions I posted are correct and explain the potential harmful effects.  Further, your definitions are not quite right.  I did Radiation Health Physics in the Navy and in commercial nuclear power.  I still maintain that your version is potentially dangerous and irresponsible.

I fully agree with you that "All forms of ionizing radiation are harmful and can be dangerous if not properly controlled or used correctly."

My article is about a-bombs being a hoax - an invention - so there is no radiation from a-bombs. Only propaganda. To scare!
What your article is about is irrelevant to the definitions of radiation.  A definition do not change with subject matter being presented.

If you fully agree then why does your website say it's harmless?

I also mention peaceful nuclear power. It is also harmless and safe if properly controlled and correctly used. I like nuclear power a lot being a big shareholder of EDF.

So what about the radiation? Noone has died from radiation at Fukushima incident and I describe it at my article. Of course 100 000's of Japanese were told that radiation would kill them, so they had to flee, abandon, homes and work, etc, etc, ... but now they are told they MUST go back, bla, bla, bla. All are healthy - apart from those injured by stress and worries, etc, etc.

But it is a fact - noone from Fukushima or in Japan has died from alfa, beta, gamma and neutron radiation at Fukushima. The authorites fooled the public by false propaganda.

So there is nothing wrong with my article/text. Do no quote me out of context.
I quoted the complete text from a section to ensure context.  AAMOF, I quoted the entire section of the definition of ionizing radiation so you cannot say I took it out of context.

You admitted that fast fission works which makes statements on your website factually incorrect.

There is no such thing as "fast fission nuclear chain reaction"
...and...
Fact remains that any nuclear chain reaction or fission must be moderated or controlled like in a peaceful nuclear power reactor to work, i.e. the neutrons must be slowed down.

I’m sorry but the factually incorrect statements about fast and thermal fission (thermal fission is the proper terminology) make it look like you haven’t done the proper research

Please note that it helps to be polite, factual and on topic when you post here. This is a friendly discussion forum where people with different opinions meet and exchange ideas. I know that my ideas are not politically correct, particularly not in the USA, so I am very happy not being there.
This last statement is comical coming from you.  I’ve lost count of the number of post where you’ve called me a “twerp”, “microbrain”, and worst of all “terrorist”.  The vast majority of your posts to me and others have personal attacks in them.  Then you have the balls to tell me to be polite.  You need to take your own advice and start being polite to the other posters in this forum.

By your own admission the statements on fast & thermal fission I quoted with full context are factually incorrect.  So, I have to ask.  Is the following quote by you a lie or not?

OK. Fission, including fast fission works. It is the same thing. Fast or not. Fission is always fast or not. A free neutron splits an atom. It goes fast.

You need to address these glaring errors in your website. 

If you don’t want to fix the errors about fast & thermal fission that’s your choice.  But those of us with actual training and experience in nuclear power know better.

However, I will not stop pointing out the factually incorrect and potentially hazardous errors in your definitions of ionizing radiation.  These errors indicate shoddy research and demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of the subject matter.  You really must fix the section on ionizing radiation because it’s not only factually incorrect it is irresponsible and potentially dangerous.  Someone reading your section on radiation might believe you know what you’re talking about and the improperly handle radioactive sources from such things a smoke detectors, old watches, or uranium glass thinking they are not a hazard.  Someone reading you definitions of radiation might think it’s okay to buy radioactive test sources from Amazon not having the first clue how to properly handle them.

Or, is being right more important to you than potentially killing a child because (s)he believes your claim that radiation is harmless.

Mike

Thanks for your comments and suggestions.

However, you forget that my web page in question is about a-bomb fakery and propaganda to scare the shit out of normal people. It is abig scam. The US governments used and uses numerous 'experts' to say a-bombs kill, not only when they FLASH but also afterwards! The radiation will kill you afterwards, bla, bla, bla. All 100% lies.

And you ignore them.

So I assume you agree with me that explosive fission FLASH a-bombs do not work and that you just make stupid remarks about details - fast versus slow fission, harmless versus deadly radiation, etc, etc. - to impress some particular interests. You work in the US military-industrial complex so I understand your dilemma. If I were you I would change job. Do some constructive! Wasting stolen money on nonsense cannot be fun.
Your website is about a-bombs being fake.  So what.  It doesn't change the fact that you statements concerning fast & thermal fission is factually incorrect.  Since you use your assertion that fast fission is impossible as a basis for a-bombs being fake it invalidates you conclusions.

The subject of your website also has no bearing on you descriptions of radiation being factually incorrect and irresponsible.

Thanks that you agree that my webpage is about fake a-bombs, fake a-bombs radiation, fake secret, miltary, explosive fission FLASH bombs destroying everything in nano-seconds and that my conclusions are right. Or wrong?

I’ve agreed all along that your website is about fake a-bombs as I have previously said so I’m not sure why that is all of a sudden a big deal.

Why do you get upset about alleged  factually incorrect details ... where you are wrong?
I’m not wrong.  You’re the one making inconsistent statements about fast fission and you refuse to answer any questions about the inconsistencies.  Why are you afraid to answer the question.

You really have to do better, MicroBrain.

Yesterday you said I had to be polite and civil.  Why don’t you have to do the same?

Has anyone died at Fukushima from radiation?
I have no idea and don’t pretend to know.  However, it doesn’t matter.  Whether anyone died or not is irrelevant.  You definitions of radiation is factually wrong.  Apparently you don’t care if some kid gets sick or worse because they believe you irresponsible discussions of radiation which says a lot about your character.

Mike
Title: Re: nd
Post by: Heiwa on August 02, 2017, 06:57:15 AM

I have no idea and don’t pretend to know.  However, it doesn’t matter.  Whether anyone died or not is irrelevant.  You definitions of radiation is factually wrong.  Apparently you don’t care if some kid gets sick or worse because they believe you irresponsible discussions of radiation which says a lot about your character.

Mike

Hm, I just suggest at http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm that info about a-bombs and nuclear power planst incidents radiation is exaggerated. Nobody has died from radiation at Hiroshisma and Nagasaki 1945 and Fukushima 2011. Isn't it good news?

Title: Re: nd
Post by: MicroBeta on August 02, 2017, 07:37:43 AM

I have no idea and don’t pretend to know.  However, it doesn’t matter.  Whether anyone died or not is irrelevant.  You definitions of radiation is factually wrong.  Apparently you don’t care if some kid gets sick or worse because they believe you irresponsible discussions of radiation which says a lot about your character.

Mike

Hm, I just suggest at http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm that info about a-bombs and nuclear power planst incidents radiation is exaggerated. Nobody has died from radiation at Hiroshisma and Nagasaki 1945 and Fukushima 2011. Isn't it good news?
The morality rates have nothing to do with the definitions of ionizing radiation and you're making a correlation where none exists. Your definitions are wrong regardless of who does or doesn't die.

You call yourself a researcher and a unique source but you're lying to make your discussion of Fukushima sound better.  How else do you justify changing the definitions.  It makes you an untrustworthy source.

It's no wonder you've been banned from so many other sites.

Mike
Title: Re: nd
Post by: markjo on August 02, 2017, 08:48:07 AM
Has anyone died at Fukushima from radiation?

Has anyone died at Chernobyl from radiation?
Quote from: http://www.world-nuclear.org/information-library/safety-and-security/safety-of-plants/chernobyl-accident.aspx
The accident destroyed the Chernobyl 4 reactor, killing 30 operators and firemen within three months and several further deaths later. One person was killed immediately and a second died in hospital soon after as a result of injuries received. Another person is reported to have died at the time from a coronary thrombosisc. Acute radiation syndrome (ARS) was originally diagnosed in 237 people on-site and involved with the clean-up and it was later confirmed in 134 cases. Of these, 28 people died as a result of ARS within a few weeks of the accident.

Of course I'm sure that you'll just dismiss it as propaganda.
Title: Re: nd
Post by: Heiwa on August 02, 2017, 08:53:18 AM

I have no idea and don’t pretend to know.  However, it doesn’t matter.  Whether anyone died or not is irrelevant.  You definitions of radiation is factually wrong.  Apparently you don’t care if some kid gets sick or worse because they believe you irresponsible discussions of radiation which says a lot about your character.

Mike

Hm, I just suggest at http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm that info about a-bombs and nuclear power planst incidents radiation is exaggerated. Nobody has died from radiation at Hiroshisma and Nagasaki 1945 and Fukushima 2011. Isn't it good news?
The morality rates have nothing to do with the definitions of ionizing radiation and you're making a correlation where none exists. Your definitions are wrong regardless of who does or doesn't die.

You call yourself a researcher and a unique source but you're lying to make your discussion of Fukushima sound better.  How else do you justify changing the definitions.  It makes you an untrustworthy source.

It's no wonder you've been banned from so many other sites.

Mike

Hm, I do not define radiation. I just copy/paste info about all sorts of radiation and rewrite it in an easy to understand way.

It seems nobody has died at Fukushima of radiation. But plenty Japanese from Fukushima are sick of stress and bad treatment by the government.

I am just a safety at sea consultant trying to improve safety at sea. Plenty victims of not seaworthy ships have contacted me about their experiences. It is always their own faults. Etc, etc. Many governments don't like me.
Title: Re: nd
Post by: Heiwa on August 02, 2017, 09:01:36 AM
Has anyone died at Fukushima from radiation?

Has anyone died at Chernobyl from radiation?
Quote from: http://www.world-nuclear.org/information-library/safety-and-security/safety-of-plants/chernobyl-accident.aspx
The accident destroyed the Chernobyl 4 reactor, killing 30 operators and firemen within three months and several further deaths later. One person was killed immediately and a second died in hospital soon after as a result of injuries received. Another person is reported to have died at the time from a coronary thrombosisc. Acute radiation syndrome (ARS) was originally diagnosed in 237 people on-site and involved with the clean-up and it was later confirmed in 134 cases. Of these, 28 people died as a result of ARS within a few weeks of the accident.

Of course I'm sure that you'll just dismiss it as propaganda.
1992/98 I was 28 times in Ukraine trying to restart Ukrainian shipbuilding and shipping and I was ready to relocate to Nikolaev, etc, etc. My boss was born at Odessa 1913. Nikoleav is a very nice town with clever, civilized people.

In the end we failed completely. Too much corruption. The Ukrainians at Kiev didn't like the Russian/Jewish majority in the south and made it impossible to re-start shipyards and shipping companies. Quite sad.
I remember a special tax on all businesses to assist alleged Chernobyl victims. What a scam.
Title: Re: nd
Post by: markjo on August 02, 2017, 09:06:45 AM
Hm, I do not define radiation. I just copy/paste info about all sorts of radiation and rewrite it in an easy to understand way.
Did you ever consider the possibility that when you "rewrite it in an easy to understand way" that you may be dangerously oversimplifying and misrepresenting the facts that you copied?

It seems nobody has died at Fukushima of radiation. But plenty Japanese from Fukushima are sick of stress and bad treatment by the government.
Just because no deaths have yet been directly attributed to the radiation, that doesn't mean that there will be no long term health problems.

I am just a safety at sea consultant trying to improve safety at sea. Plenty victims of not seaworthy ships have contacted me about their experiences.
How does that qualify you as an authority on the health effects of different types of radiation?
Title: Re: nd
Post by: markjo on August 02, 2017, 09:11:31 AM
Has anyone died at Fukushima from radiation?

Has anyone died at Chernobyl from radiation?
Quote from: http://www.world-nuclear.org/information-library/safety-and-security/safety-of-plants/chernobyl-accident.aspx
The accident destroyed the Chernobyl 4 reactor, killing 30 operators and firemen within three months and several further deaths later. One person was killed immediately and a second died in hospital soon after as a result of injuries received. Another person is reported to have died at the time from a coronary thrombosisc. Acute radiation syndrome (ARS) was originally diagnosed in 237 people on-site and involved with the clean-up and it was later confirmed in 134 cases. Of these, 28 people died as a result of ARS within a few weeks of the accident.

Of course I'm sure that you'll just dismiss it as propaganda.
1992/98 I was 28 times in Ukraine trying to restart Ukrainian shipbuilding and shipping and I was ready to relocate to Nikolaev, etc, etc. My boss was born at Odessa 1913. Nikoleav is a very nice town with clever, civilized people.

In the end we failed completely. Too much corruption. The Ukrainians at Kiev didn't like the Russian/Jewish majority in the south and made it impossible to re-start shipyards and shipping companies. Quite sad.
Very nice, but has nothing to do with what I said.

I remember a special tax on all businesses to assist alleged Chernobyl victims. What a scam.
And there's the dismissal, as predicted.
Title: Re: nd
Post by: MicroBeta on August 02, 2017, 09:15:07 AM

I have no idea and don’t pretend to know.  However, it doesn’t matter.  Whether anyone died or not is irrelevant.  You definitions of radiation is factually wrong.  Apparently you don’t care if some kid gets sick or worse because they believe you irresponsible discussions of radiation which says a lot about your character.

Mike

Hm, I just suggest at http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm that info about a-bombs and nuclear power planst incidents radiation is exaggerated. Nobody has died from radiation at Hiroshisma and Nagasaki 1945 and Fukushima 2011. Isn't it good news?
The morality rates have nothing to do with the definitions of ionizing radiation and you're making a correlation where none exists. Your definitions are wrong regardless of who does or doesn't die.

You call yourself a researcher and a unique source but you're lying to make your discussion of Fukushima sound better.  How else do you justify changing the definitions.  It makes you an untrustworthy source.

It's no wonder you've been banned from so many other sites.

Mike

Hm, I do not define radiation. I just copy/paste info about all sorts of radiation and rewrite it in an easy to understand way.

It seems nobody has died at Fukushima of radiation. But plenty Japanese from Fukushima are sick of stress and bad treatment by the government.

I am just a safety at sea consultant trying to improve safety at sea. Plenty victims of not seaworthy ships have contacted me about their experiences. It is always their own faults. Etc, etc. Many governments don't like me.
Your entire post is meaningless. I don't know who you copied that info from but it's wrong. 

I've showed you what's wrong. You should fix out or take it down...I doubt you'll do either because you'd rather it support your Fukushima narrative than use the correct info.

Mike
Title: Re: nd
Post by: Heiwa on August 02, 2017, 09:23:31 AM
Hm, I do not define radiation. I just copy/paste info about all sorts of radiation and rewrite it in an easy to understand way.
Did you ever consider the possibility that when you "rewrite it in an easy to understand way" that you may be dangerously oversimplifying and misrepresenting the facts that you copied?


Yes! Why do you always ask stupid, off topic questions. Of course I consider what I write. It seems you don't.

Anyway, my website - http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm - is more popular than ever now, when USA starts to warm up for the Hiroshima destruction August 6, 1945. Imagine USA celebrating (!) vaporizing Hiroshima! Only sick people could do it. It stopped the war, it is suggested. I can suggest many better ways to stop wars.
Title: Re: nd
Post by: markjo on August 02, 2017, 09:30:32 AM
Hm, I do not define radiation. I just copy/paste info about all sorts of radiation and rewrite it in an easy to understand way.
Did you ever consider the possibility that when you "rewrite it in an easy to understand way" that you may be dangerously oversimplifying and misrepresenting the facts that you copied?


Yes! Why do you always ask stupid, off topic questions. Of course I consider what I write. It seems you don't.
Ok, so you consider what you write but you obviously don't care what you write.  If you did care, then you would reconsider what you write about radiation on your popular, but dangerously inaccurate, web site.
Title: Re: nd
Post by: Heiwa on August 02, 2017, 10:10:48 AM
Hm, I do not define radiation. I just copy/paste info about all sorts of radiation and rewrite it in an easy to understand way.
Did you ever consider the possibility that when you "rewrite it in an easy to understand way" that you may be dangerously oversimplifying and misrepresenting the facts that you copied?


Yes! Why do you always ask stupid, off topic questions. Of course I consider what I write. It seems you don't.
Ok, so you consider what you write but you obviously don't care what you write.  If you did care, then you would reconsider what you write about radiation on your popular, but dangerously inaccurate, web site.

You sound sick! Are you OK? Too much radiation?

But don't worry. Radiation is not dangerous. Use suntan/oil to protect yourself.

Please report back when you are cured.
Title: Re: nd
Post by: MicroBeta on August 02, 2017, 10:17:21 AM
Hm, I do not define radiation. I just copy/paste info about all sorts of radiation and rewrite it in an easy to understand way.
Did you ever consider the possibility that when you "rewrite it in an easy to understand way" that you may be dangerously oversimplifying and misrepresenting the facts that you copied?


Yes! Why do you always ask stupid, off topic questions. Of course I consider what I write. It seems you don't.
Ok, so you consider what you write but you obviously don't care what you write.  If you did care, then you would reconsider what you write about radiation on your popular, but dangerously inaccurate, web site.

You sound sick! Are you OK? Too much radiation?

But don't worry. Radiation is not dangerous. Use suntan/oil to protect yourself.

Please report back when you are cured.
You don't give s shit about the truth. All you care about is making sure you look smart and if that means ignoring information you know is wrong than so be it. As long as it fits your silly little narrative the truth doesn't matter to you.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 02, 2017, 10:39:11 AM
Hm, I do not define radiation. I just copy/paste info about all sorts of radiation and rewrite it in an easy to understand way.
Did you ever consider the possibility that when you "rewrite it in an easy to understand way" that you may be dangerously oversimplifying and misrepresenting the facts that you copied?


Yes! Why do you always ask stupid, off topic questions. Of course I consider what I write. It seems you don't.
Ok, so you consider what you write but you obviously don't care what you write.  If you did care, then you would reconsider what you write about radiation on your popular, but dangerously inaccurate, web site.

You sound sick! Are you OK? Too much radiation?

But don't worry. Radiation is not dangerous. Use suntan/oil to protect yourself.

Please report back when you are cured.
You don't give s shit about the truth. All you care about is making sure you look smart and if that means ignoring information you know is wrong than so be it. As long as it fits your silly little narrative the truth doesn't matter to you.
You are wrong as usual.
Title: Re: nd
Post by: markjo on August 02, 2017, 10:51:28 AM
Hm, I do not define radiation. I just copy/paste info about all sorts of radiation and rewrite it in an easy to understand way.
Did you ever consider the possibility that when you "rewrite it in an easy to understand way" that you may be dangerously oversimplifying and misrepresenting the facts that you copied?


Yes! Why do you always ask stupid, off topic questions. Of course I consider what I write. It seems you don't.
Ok, so you consider what you write but you obviously don't care what you write.  If you did care, then you would reconsider what you write about radiation on your popular, but dangerously inaccurate, web site.

You sound sick!
Yes, I'm sick of your stupidity.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 02, 2017, 11:36:38 AM
Hm, I do not define radiation. I just copy/paste info about all sorts of radiation and rewrite it in an easy to understand way.
Did you ever consider the possibility that when you "rewrite it in an easy to understand way" that you may be dangerously oversimplifying and misrepresenting the facts that you copied?


Yes! Why do you always ask stupid, off topic questions. Of course I consider what I write. It seems you don't.
Ok, so you consider what you write but you obviously don't care what you write.  If you did care, then you would reconsider what you write about radiation on your popular, but dangerously inaccurate, web site.

You sound sick! Are you OK? Too much radiation?

But don't worry. Radiation is not dangerous. Use suntan/oil to protect yourself.

Please report back when you are cured.
You don't give s shit about the truth. All you care about is making sure you look smart and if that means ignoring information you know is wrong than so be it. As long as it fits your silly little narrative the truth doesn't matter to you.
You are wrong as usual.
That's funny coming from you.  You have yet to show me wrong on anything...not one thing.

I defy you to find anything I've posted that is wrong...and you can't use yourself as a source. I'll give you a hint...you can't. Meanwhile, nearly everything you've posted and on your website about nuclear power, radiation, and nuclear weapons is wrong...and I've already posted the sources to prove how wrong you are.

All you have are your own inane rantings and lies without a single independent source to back you up.

Your research is shoddy and you conclusions are not only wrong they're just plain stupid. 

The difference between you and me is you have yet to prove a single thing I've posted is wrong.  You just dismiss shit without even trying to disprove it.  You make stupid comments like it's "nonsense" or "propaganda"...and that's all you can do because you don't have the knowledge to do anything else.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on August 02, 2017, 04:30:09 PM
All you have are your own inane rantings and lies without a single independent source to back you up.

Yet you are still here """debating""' him.
Really gives the old noggin a joggin.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 02, 2017, 05:08:55 PM
All you have are your own inane rantings and lies without a single independent source to back you up.

Yet you are still here """debating""' him.
Really gives the old noggin a joggin.
Why should my postings matter to you?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on August 02, 2017, 05:11:17 PM
They don't. I merley commented that this gives my noggin a joggin.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 04, 2017, 12:33:49 AM


...and you can't use yourself as a source. I'll give you a hint...you can't. Meanwhile, nearly everything you've posted and on your website about nuclear power, radiation, and nuclear weapons is wrong...and I've already posted the sources to prove how wrong you are.

All you have are your own inane rantings and lies without a single independent source to back you up.

Your research is shoddy and you conclusions are not only wrong they're just plain stupid. 

The difference between you and me is you have yet to prove a single thing I've posted is wrong.  You just dismiss shit without even trying to disprove it.  You make stupid comments like it's "nonsense" or "propaganda"...and that's all you can do because you don't have the knowledge to do anything else.

Mike

Well, plenty people regard me as a serious source of information about safety at sea. The authorities interpret the rules in their own favour, when they are not cheating outright. I always publish good factual reasons for my findings. There is no reason why I should make up anything.

Re the a-bomb hoax I provide plenty info why FDR, Uncle Joe & Co faked it with their explosive fission nonsense. Pure pseudoscience. Luckily no a-bombs have been used in war since 9 August 1945 as they do not work. USA must lose their wars in the normal way = wasting canon fodder. Again there is no reason why I should make up anything.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on August 04, 2017, 12:37:28 AM


...and you can't use yourself as a source. I'll give you a hint...you can't. Meanwhile, nearly everything you've posted and on your website about nuclear power, radiation, and nuclear weapons is wrong...and I've already posted the sources to prove how wrong you are.

All you have are your own inane rantings and lies without a single independent source to back you up.

Your research is shoddy and you conclusions are not only wrong they're just plain stupid. 

The difference between you and me is you have yet to prove a single thing I've posted is wrong.  You just dismiss shit without even trying to disprove it.  You make stupid comments like it's "nonsense" or "propaganda"...and that's all you can do because you don't have the knowledge to do anything else.

Mike

Well, plenty people regard me as a serious source of information about safety at sea. The authorities interpret the rules in their own favour, when they are not cheating outright. I always publish good factual reasons for my findings. There is no reason why I should make up anything.

Re the a-bomb hoax I provide plenty info why FDR, Uncle Joe & Co faked it with their explosive fission nonsense. Pure pseudoscience. Luckily no a-bombs have been used in war since 9 August 1945 as they do not work. USA must lose their wars in the normal way = wasting canon fodder. Again there is no reason why I should make up anything.

So where's your source for all the stuff you post about nuclear weapons?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 04, 2017, 12:39:07 AM


...and you can't use yourself as a source. I'll give you a hint...you can't. Meanwhile, nearly everything you've posted and on your website about nuclear power, radiation, and nuclear weapons is wrong...and I've already posted the sources to prove how wrong you are.

All you have are your own inane rantings and lies without a single independent source to back you up.

Your research is shoddy and you conclusions are not only wrong they're just plain stupid. 

The difference between you and me is you have yet to prove a single thing I've posted is wrong.  You just dismiss shit without even trying to disprove it.  You make stupid comments like it's "nonsense" or "propaganda"...and that's all you can do because you don't have the knowledge to do anything else.

Mike

Well, plenty people regard me as a serious source of information about safety at sea. The authorities interpret the rules in their own favour, when they are not cheating outright. I always publish good factual reasons for my findings. There is no reason why I should make up anything.

Re the a-bomb hoax I provide plenty info why FDR, Uncle Joe & Co faked it with their explosive fission nonsense. Pure pseudoscience. Luckily no a-bombs have been used in war since 9 August 1945 as they do not work. USA must lose their wars in the normal way = wasting canon fodder. Again there is no reason why I should make up anything.

So where's your source for all the stuff you post about nuclear weapons?

? I link to them in my article. You have to click on the link and see the source. Do you follow?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 04, 2017, 06:20:57 AM


...and you can't use yourself as a source. I'll give you a hint...you can't. Meanwhile, nearly everything you've posted and on your website about nuclear power, radiation, and nuclear weapons is wrong...and I've already posted the sources to prove how wrong you are.

All you have are your own inane rantings and lies without a single independent source to back you up.

Your research is shoddy and you conclusions are not only wrong they're just plain stupid. 

The difference between you and me is you have yet to prove a single thing I've posted is wrong.  You just dismiss shit without even trying to disprove it.  You make stupid comments like it's "nonsense" or "propaganda"...and that's all you can do because you don't have the knowledge to do anything else.

Mike

Well, plenty people regard me as a serious source of information about safety at sea. The authorities interpret the rules in their own favour, when they are not cheating outright. I always publish good factual reasons for my findings. There is no reason why I should make up anything.

Re the a-bomb hoax I provide plenty info why FDR, Uncle Joe & Co faked it with their explosive fission nonsense. Pure pseudoscience. Luckily no a-bombs have been used in war since 9 August 1945 as they do not work. USA must lose their wars in the normal way = wasting canon fodder. Again there is no reason why I should make up anything.
You provide a lot of links to support your historical or technical information but not a single link to support the ignorant conclusions you draw of that historical or technical information.

Here’s some links for you...

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs371/en/
http://www.imagewisely.org/Imaging-Modalities/Computed-Tomography/Imaging-Physicians/Articles/Ionizing-Radiation-Effects-and-Their-Risk-to-Humans
https://www.epa.gov/radiation/radiation-health-effects
http://www2.clarku.edu/departments/marsh/projects/community/EpiOverviewFinal.pdf
https://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/tp149-c3.pdf
https://www.nap.edu/read/5154/chapter/6#112
https://www.osha.gov/SLTC/radiationionizing/hazards.html
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2859619/
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/101/4/717

Every single one of these links is an authoritative source which directly contradicts your assessment of ionizing radiation.  Every single one corroborates the information I previously posted about your clueless descriptions of the types radiation and the self-serving lie that “most radiation is harmless”.  You are lying about radiation to support your conclusions about the Fukashima accident.  Lies that if you correct would mean you would have to correct so many other related incorrect conclusions you made.

A couple of these links specifically discuss the higher risk to children than to adults.  And that’s what makes your stupidity so dangerous.  Reading your ignorant webpage some kid may think it’s okay to take the americium out of a smoke detector because you said it was harmless.

I HAVE PROVED YOU WRONG TIME AND TIME AGAIN.  NOW FIX THE INCORRECT RADIATION INFORMATION ON YOUR SITE OR TAKE IT DOWN.  OR, WOULD YOU RATHER LIE TO PROTECT YOUR IGNORANT CONCLUSIONS?

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 04, 2017, 06:51:47 AM


...and you can't use yourself as a source. I'll give you a hint...you can't. Meanwhile, nearly everything you've posted and on your website about nuclear power, radiation, and nuclear weapons is wrong...and I've already posted the sources to prove how wrong you are.

All you have are your own inane rantings and lies without a single independent source to back you up.

Your research is shoddy and you conclusions are not only wrong they're just plain stupid. 

The difference between you and me is you have yet to prove a single thing I've posted is wrong.  You just dismiss shit without even trying to disprove it.  You make stupid comments like it's "nonsense" or "propaganda"...and that's all you can do because you don't have the knowledge to do anything else.

Mike

Well, plenty people regard me as a serious source of information about safety at sea. The authorities interpret the rules in their own favour, when they are not cheating outright. I always publish good factual reasons for my findings. There is no reason why I should make up anything.

Re the a-bomb hoax I provide plenty info why FDR, Uncle Joe & Co faked it with their explosive fission nonsense. Pure pseudoscience. Luckily no a-bombs have been used in war since 9 August 1945 as they do not work. USA must lose their wars in the normal way = wasting canon fodder. Again there is no reason why I should make up anything.
You provide a lot of links to support your historical or technical information but not a single link to support the ignorant conclusions you draw of that historical or technical information.

Here’s some links for you...

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs371/en/
http://www.imagewisely.org/Imaging-Modalities/Computed-Tomography/Imaging-Physicians/Articles/Ionizing-Radiation-Effects-and-Their-Risk-to-Humans
https://www.epa.gov/radiation/radiation-health-effects
http://www2.clarku.edu/departments/marsh/projects/community/EpiOverviewFinal.pdf
https://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/tp149-c3.pdf
https://www.nap.edu/read/5154/chapter/6#112
https://www.osha.gov/SLTC/radiationionizing/hazards.html
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2859619/
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/101/4/717

Every single one of these links is an authoritative source which directly contradicts your assessment of ionizing radiation.  Every single one corroborates the information I previously posted about your clueless descriptions of the types radiation and the self-serving lie that “most radiation is harmless”.  You are lying about radiation to support your conclusions about the Fukashima accident.  Lies that if you correct would mean you would have to correct so many other related incorrect conclusions you made.

A couple of these links specifically discuss the higher risk to children than to adults.  And that’s what makes your stupidity so dangerous.  Reading your ignorant webpage some kid may think it’s okay to take the americium out of a smoke detector because you said it was harmless.

I HAVE PROVED YOU WRONG TIME AND TIME AGAIN.  NOW FIX THE INCORRECT RADIATION INFORMATION ON YOUR SITE OR TAKE IT DOWN.  OR, WOULD YOU RATHER LIE TO PROTECT YOUR IGNORANT CONCLUSIONS?

Mike

Thanks but you are a little off topic. The radiation I discuss at my website is the one at Fukushima 2011/17, which was and is totally harmless. Nobody has died there. The Japanese yakusa - organized criminal gangs - cleaned up the place, etc, etc.

I also mention the alleged radiation at Hiroshima abd Nagasaki 1945 but as no a-bombs exploded there in nano-seconds FLASHES, there was no radiation.

But I agree - if you spend a full summer day in the sun your skin is burnt, your body is dried up, etc, etc, by sun radiation. Your dose of radiation is a function of exposure time and many other things.

My understanding of certain, defined radiation is clearly explained at my website. And it is harmless.

But with propaganda you can scare the shit out of people that radiation will kill them. I don't like that.

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 04, 2017, 08:52:59 AM


...and you can't use yourself as a source. I'll give you a hint...you can't. Meanwhile, nearly everything you've posted and on your website about nuclear power, radiation, and nuclear weapons is wrong...and I've already posted the sources to prove how wrong you are.

All you have are your own inane rantings and lies without a single independent source to back you up.

Your research is shoddy and you conclusions are not only wrong they're just plain stupid. 

The difference between you and me is you have yet to prove a single thing I've posted is wrong.  You just dismiss shit without even trying to disprove it.  You make stupid comments like it's "nonsense" or "propaganda"...and that's all you can do because you don't have the knowledge to do anything else.

Mike

Well, plenty people regard me as a serious source of information about safety at sea. The authorities interpret the rules in their own favour, when they are not cheating outright. I always publish good factual reasons for my findings. There is no reason why I should make up anything.

Re the a-bomb hoax I provide plenty info why FDR, Uncle Joe & Co faked it with their explosive fission nonsense. Pure pseudoscience. Luckily no a-bombs have been used in war since 9 August 1945 as they do not work. USA must lose their wars in the normal way = wasting canon fodder. Again there is no reason why I should make up anything.
You provide a lot of links to support your historical or technical information but not a single link to support the ignorant conclusions you draw of that historical or technical information.

Here’s some links for you...

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs371/en/
http://www.imagewisely.org/Imaging-Modalities/Computed-Tomography/Imaging-Physicians/Articles/Ionizing-Radiation-Effects-and-Their-Risk-to-Humans
https://www.epa.gov/radiation/radiation-health-effects
http://www2.clarku.edu/departments/marsh/projects/community/EpiOverviewFinal.pdf
https://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/tp149-c3.pdf
https://www.nap.edu/read/5154/chapter/6#112
https://www.osha.gov/SLTC/radiationionizing/hazards.html
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2859619/
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/101/4/717

Every single one of these links is an authoritative source which directly contradicts your assessment of ionizing radiation.  Every single one corroborates the information I previously posted about your clueless descriptions of the types radiation and the self-serving lie that “most radiation is harmless”.  You are lying about radiation to support your conclusions about the Fukashima accident.  Lies that if you correct would mean you would have to correct so many other related incorrect conclusions you made.

A couple of these links specifically discuss the higher risk to children than to adults.  And that’s what makes your stupidity so dangerous.  Reading your ignorant webpage some kid may think it’s okay to take the americium out of a smoke detector because you said it was harmless.

I HAVE PROVED YOU WRONG TIME AND TIME AGAIN.  NOW FIX THE INCORRECT RADIATION INFORMATION ON YOUR SITE OR TAKE IT DOWN.  OR, WOULD YOU RATHER LIE TO PROTECT YOUR IGNORANT CONCLUSIONS?

Mike

Thanks but you are a little off topic. The radiation I discuss at my website is the one at Fukushima 2011/17, which was and is totally harmless. Nobody has died there. The Japanese yakusa - organized criminal gangs - cleaned up the place, etc, etc.

I also mention the alleged radiation at Hiroshima abd Nagasaki 1945 but as no a-bombs exploded there in nano-seconds FLASHES, there was no radiation.

But I agree - if you spend a full summer day in the sun your skin is burnt, your body is dried up, etc, etc, by sun radiation. Your dose of radiation is a function of exposure time and many other things.

My understanding of certain, defined radiation is clearly explained at my website. And it is harmless.

But with propaganda you can scare the shit out of people that radiation will kill them. I don't like that.
Are you seriously saying that radiation is harmless in just in Japan?

Radiation exposure in NEVER harmless. Your just another conspiracy theory nut job who will say anything  to support your delusional rantings.

Good thing nobody reads you stupid site.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 04, 2017, 10:11:08 AM

Are you seriously saying that radiation is harmless in just in Japan?

Radiation exposure in NEVER harmless. Your just another conspiracy theory nut job who will say anything  to support your delusional rantings.

Good thing nobody reads you stupid site.

Mike

Well just study http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm in peace and quiet and maybe you will understand!

Most radiation is harmless. Nobody at Fukushima has died from it.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 04, 2017, 10:26:11 AM
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 04, 2017, 11:51:15 AM


Hm, I just ask people to read my book at no cost. 19 years ago, I sold it ... at cost. But it was sold out, so I put it on the Internet for anyone to read it. Good PR.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: frenat on August 04, 2017, 12:07:32 PM


Hm, I just ask people to read my book at no cost. 19 years ago, I sold it ... at cost. But it was sold out, so I put it on the Internet for anyone to read it. Good PR.
And Heiwa misses the point as usual.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 04, 2017, 12:53:07 PM

Are you seriously saying that radiation is harmless in just in Japan?

Radiation exposure in NEVER harmless. Your just another conspiracy theory nut job who will say anything  to support your delusional rantings.

Good thing nobody reads you stupid site.

Mike

Well just study http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm in peace and quiet and maybe you will understand!

Most radiation is harmless. Nobody at Fukushima has died from it.
Radiation is NOT harmless and you're a conspiracy theorist who will lie to make your point.

You have absolutely no personal integrity.

I have read you whole site and it's nothing but junk science.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 04, 2017, 09:34:05 PM

Are you seriously saying that radiation is harmless in just in Japan?

Radiation exposure in NEVER harmless. Your just another conspiracy theory nut job who will say anything  to support your delusional rantings.

Good thing nobody reads you stupid site.

Mike

Well just study http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm in peace and quiet and maybe you will understand!

Most radiation is harmless. Nobody at Fukushima has died from it.
Radiation is NOT harmless and you're a conspiracy theorist who will lie to make your point.

You have absolutely no personal integrity.

I have read you whole site and it's nothing but junk science.

Mike

Well, I explain the opposite! There was no RADIATION at Hiroshima/Nagasaki and the RADIATION at Fukushima today is harmless, so it is only to move back and be happy. The yakusa has cleaned up the place. And the RADIATION at my place is also harmlss. But it seems that RADIATION in space will kill you making space travel impossible, but in spite of this humans can fly around in space, bla, bla, bla. Plenty junk science around. I call it pseudoscience. It works very well. No conspiracy at all. People without integrity use it.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on August 04, 2017, 09:52:34 PM
yore stoopid
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 04, 2017, 10:02:17 PM
yore stoopid
Yes, I know plenty twerps think so. Nothing to argue about.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on August 04, 2017, 10:16:25 PM
yore stoopid
Yes, I know plenty twerps think so. Nothing to argue about.
That's exactly what a stoopid twirp wud say.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 05, 2017, 12:53:32 AM
yore stoopid
Yes, I know plenty twerps think so. Nothing to argue about.
That's exactly what a stoopid twirp wud say.
You sure? I (topic) said it  and I am such a nice guy understanding everything.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on August 05, 2017, 02:39:38 AM
yore stoopid
Yes, I know plenty twerps think so. Nothing to argue about.
That's exactly what a stoopid twirp wud say.
You sure? I (topic) said it  and I am such a nice guy understanding everything.
I'm sure.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 05, 2017, 03:35:16 AM
Hey,

as promised, I performed a rough estimate on the mechanics involving a lunar transfer orbit. A more detailed, numerical calculation might follow in the next few days.

Heiwa, this should clear up that it is definitely possible to get to the moon (I admit that the actual orbit around the moon can not be calculated with this method, for this there will be the numerical integrator which might come later) and that you should never boost towards the moon. If you find any errors, please point them out.

Generally I would love if someone double-checked my math, the numbers do make sense but still..

The document can be found at https://www.docdroid.net/nSZ6vXb/moon.pdf.html

Hm, so you are in LEO at 200 000 m altitude with speed 7 788 m/s and then you blast off at a certain time to 10 921 m/s to enter a very elliptic orbit around Earth that touches the orbit of the Moon around Earth. But is the Moon there? And what do you do then?

Sorry, it seems you don't understand my suggestion #1, i.e. that "no spacecraft of any kind can carry enough fuel for any trip anywhere in space and return safely to Earth".

My suggestion #2 is that "you cannot predict the trajectory between Earth and the target in space to ensure that the target is there, when you arrive".  It means that you'll miss the target and continue into Universe.

My suggestion #3 is that "you cannot re-enter and land on the rotating Earth after a trip in space". You cannot find the location at the top of the atmosphere above Earth to start any landing attempt and regardless you cannot brake going through the atmosphere, so you are vaporized.

I explain more at http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm . Very popular! >200 visitors/day. All free! No adverts! Just FUN! It is only rocket science and orbital mechanics. Please do not suggest I lack understanding of them.

I wonder what happened to this thread.

It started with going to the Moon and now we discuss (?) radiation on Earth.

It seems radiation is one reason you cannot go to the Moon.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 05, 2017, 06:51:36 AM

Are you seriously saying that radiation is harmless in just in Japan?

Radiation exposure in NEVER harmless. Your just another conspiracy theory nut job who will say anything  to support your delusional rantings.

Good thing nobody reads you stupid site.

Mike

Well just study http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm in peace and quiet and maybe you will understand!

Most radiation is harmless. Nobody at Fukushima has died from it.
Radiation is NOT harmless and you're a conspiracy theorist who will lie to make your point.

You have absolutely no personal integrity.

I have read you whole site and it's nothing but junk science.

Mike

Well, I explain the opposite! There was no RADIATION at Hiroshima/Nagasaki and the RADIATION at Fukushima today is harmless, so it is only to move back and be happy. The yakusa has cleaned up the place. And the RADIATION at my place is also harmlss. But it seems that RADIATION in space will kill you making space travel impossible, but in spite of this humans can fly around in space, bla, bla, bla. Plenty junk science around. I call it pseudoscience. It works very well. No conspiracy at all. People without integrity use it.
Yeah, you explained it and you're still wrong.  You fabricated a lie to fit you conspiracy theory.  You don't care if it's accurate if it supports your narrative.

Have at least a little personal integrity and do it right.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 05, 2017, 07:05:21 AM

Are you seriously saying that radiation is harmless in just in Japan?

Radiation exposure in NEVER harmless. Your just another conspiracy theory nut job who will say anything  to support your delusional rantings.

Good thing nobody reads you stupid site.

Mike

Well just study http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm in peace and quiet and maybe you will understand!

Most radiation is harmless. Nobody at Fukushima has died from it.
Radiation is NOT harmless and you're a conspiracy theorist who will lie to make your point.

You have absolutely no personal integrity.

I have read you whole site and it's nothing but junk science.

Mike

Well, I explain the opposite! There was no RADIATION at Hiroshima/Nagasaki and the RADIATION at Fukushima today is harmless, so it is only to move back and be happy. The yakusa has cleaned up the place. And the RADIATION at my place is also harmlss. But it seems that RADIATION in space will kill you making space travel impossible, but in spite of this humans can fly around in space, bla, bla, bla. Plenty junk science around. I call it pseudoscience. It works very well. No conspiracy at all. People without integrity use it.
Yeah, you explained it and you're still wrong.  You fabricated a lie to fit you conspiracy theory.  You don't care if it's accurate if it supports your narrative.

Have at least a little personal integrity and do it right.

Mike

What conspiracy theory are you talking about?

Hiroshima/Nagasaki 1945! But it was just propaganda to scare people and end WW2. No conspiracy, no a-bombs and no radiation! Just visit the towns yourself and have a look!

Fukushima 2011? The radiation was real but harmless - it was cleaned away by the yakusa in a few weeks - but people were scared about it and driven away by the authorities ... and are now ordered to return. Not really a conspiracy.

I consider it a scandal. Telling lies to and fooling innocent, simple people.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 05, 2017, 07:26:32 AM

Are you seriously saying that radiation is harmless in just in Japan?

Radiation exposure in NEVER harmless. Your just another conspiracy theory nut job who will say anything  to support your delusional rantings.

Good thing nobody reads you stupid site.

Mike

Well just study http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm in peace and quiet and maybe you will understand!

Most radiation is harmless. Nobody at Fukushima has died from it.
Radiation is NOT harmless and you're a conspiracy theorist who will lie to make your point.

You have absolutely no personal integrity.

I have read you whole site and it's nothing but junk science.

Mike

Well, I explain the opposite! There was no RADIATION at Hiroshima/Nagasaki and the RADIATION at Fukushima today is harmless, so it is only to move back and be happy. The yakusa has cleaned up the place. And the RADIATION at my place is also harmlss. But it seems that RADIATION in space will kill you making space travel impossible, but in spite of this humans can fly around in space, bla, bla, bla. Plenty junk science around. I call it pseudoscience. It works very well. No conspiracy at all. People without integrity use it.
Yeah, you explained it and you're still wrong.  You fabricated a lie to fit you conspiracy theory.  You don't care if it's accurate if it supports your narrative.

Have at least a little personal integrity and do it right.

Mike

What conspiracy theory are you talking about?

Hiroshima/Nagasaki 1945! But it was just propaganda to scare people and end WW2. No conspiracy, no a-bombs and no radiation! Just visit the towns yourself and have a look!

Fukushima 2011? The radiation was real but harmless - it was cleaned away by the yakusa in a few weeks - but people were scared about it and driven away by the authorities ... and are now ordered to return. Not really a conspiracy.

I consider it a scandal. Telling lies to and fooling innocent, simple people.
Yeah, keep ignoring the fact that I called you for lying to protect your junk science and conclusions.  The radiation levels may have been relatively harmless that does NOT mean that radiation is harmless. 

I did what you asked.  I copied and pasted what was wrong and gave you the correct information with links.  You then could use my links for search for you own to see whether or not I was correct. 

The fact is you fabricated a lie to fit you conspiracy theory.  You don't care if it's accurate if it supports your narrative.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 05, 2017, 07:52:41 AM

Are you seriously saying that radiation is harmless in just in Japan?

Radiation exposure in NEVER harmless. Your just another conspiracy theory nut job who will say anything  to support your delusional rantings.

Good thing nobody reads you stupid site.

Mike

Well just study http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm in peace and quiet and maybe you will understand!

Most radiation is harmless. Nobody at Fukushima has died from it.
Radiation is NOT harmless and you're a conspiracy theorist who will lie to make your point.

You have absolutely no personal integrity.

I have read you whole site and it's nothing but junk science.

Mike

Well, I explain the opposite! There was no RADIATION at Hiroshima/Nagasaki and the RADIATION at Fukushima today is harmless, so it is only to move back and be happy. The yakusa has cleaned up the place. And the RADIATION at my place is also harmlss. But it seems that RADIATION in space will kill you making space travel impossible, but in spite of this humans can fly around in space, bla, bla, bla. Plenty junk science around. I call it pseudoscience. It works very well. No conspiracy at all. People without integrity use it.
Yeah, you explained it and you're still wrong.  You fabricated a lie to fit you conspiracy theory.  You don't care if it's accurate if it supports your narrative.

Have at least a little personal integrity and do it right.

Mike

What conspiracy theory are you talking about?

Hiroshima/Nagasaki 1945! But it was just propaganda to scare people and end WW2. No conspiracy, no a-bombs and no radiation! Just visit the towns yourself and have a look!

Fukushima 2011? The radiation was real but harmless - it was cleaned away by the yakusa in a few weeks - but people were scared about it and driven away by the authorities ... and are now ordered to return. Not really a conspiracy.

I consider it a scandal. Telling lies to and fooling innocent, simple people.
Yeah, keep ignoring the fact that I called you for lying to protect your junk science and conclusions.  The radiation levels may have been relatively harmless that does NOT mean that radiation is harmless. 

I did what you asked.  I copied and pasted what was wrong and gave you the correct information with links.  You then could use my links for search for you own to see whether or not I was correct. 

The fact is you fabricated a lie to fit you conspiracy theory.  You don't care if it's accurate if it supports your narrative.

Mike

Well, my website and conclusions are not junk science! Everything is correct incl. my statement that the radiation at Fukushima was and is harmless.

Radiation is only a question of dose - intensity and exposure time. Incorrect radiation my kill you.  I friend of mine has been regularily radiated for over a year! To kill some cancer cells in the throat. Such radiation is harmful for the cancer cells but harmless to my friend. 

Only crazy twerps suggest I fabricate lies to support invented conspiracy theories.

Why do you post so much BS, Mike?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 05, 2017, 12:16:57 PM

Are you seriously saying that radiation is harmless in just in Japan?

Radiation exposure in NEVER harmless. Your just another conspiracy theory nut job who will say anything  to support your delusional rantings.

Good thing nobody reads you stupid site.

Mike

Well just study http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm in peace and quiet and maybe you will understand!

Most radiation is harmless. Nobody at Fukushima has died from it.
Radiation is NOT harmless and you're a conspiracy theorist who will lie to make your point.

You have absolutely no personal integrity.

I have read you whole site and it's nothing but junk science.

Mike

Well, I explain the opposite! There was no RADIATION at Hiroshima/Nagasaki and the RADIATION at Fukushima today is harmless, so it is only to move back and be happy. The yakusa has cleaned up the place. And the RADIATION at my place is also harmlss. But it seems that RADIATION in space will kill you making space travel impossible, but in spite of this humans can fly around in space, bla, bla, bla. Plenty junk science around. I call it pseudoscience. It works very well. No conspiracy at all. People without integrity use it.
Yeah, you explained it and you're still wrong.  You fabricated a lie to fit you conspiracy theory.  You don't care if it's accurate if it supports your narrative.

Have at least a little personal integrity and do it right.

Mike

What conspiracy theory are you talking about?

Hiroshima/Nagasaki 1945! But it was just propaganda to scare people and end WW2. No conspiracy, no a-bombs and no radiation! Just visit the towns yourself and have a look!

Fukushima 2011? The radiation was real but harmless - it was cleaned away by the yakusa in a few weeks - but people were scared about it and driven away by the authorities ... and are now ordered to return. Not really a conspiracy.

I consider it a scandal. Telling lies to and fooling innocent, simple people.
Yeah, keep ignoring the fact that I called you for lying to protect your junk science and conclusions.  The radiation levels may have been relatively harmless that does NOT mean that radiation is harmless. 

I did what you asked.  I copied and pasted what was wrong and gave you the correct information with links.  You then could use my links for search for you own to see whether or not I was correct. 

The fact is you fabricated a lie to fit you conspiracy theory.  You don't care if it's accurate if it supports your narrative.

Mike

Well, my website and conclusions are not junk science! Everything is correct incl. my statement that the radiation at Fukushima was and is harmless.

Radiation is only a question of dose - intensity and exposure time. Incorrect radiation my kill you.  I friend of mine has been regularily radiated for over a year! To kill some cancer cells in the throat. Such radiation is harmful for the cancer cells but harmless to my friend. 

Only crazy twerps suggest I fabricate lies to support invented conspiracy theories.

Why do you post so much BS, Mike?
I did this for a living so you are not even remotely qualified to tell me I'm wrong when it comes to radiation and reactor theory.  I, on the other hand, am qualified to tell you that you're wrong.

I think you do know you're wrong but you won't fix it because it then it makes you assessment of Fukashima wrong.  You are just a conspiracy theorist who will lie to make a point with no credibility or integrity.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 05, 2017, 12:52:32 PM

Are you seriously saying that radiation is harmless in just in Japan?

Radiation exposure in NEVER harmless. Your just another conspiracy theory nut job who will say anything  to support your delusional rantings.

Good thing nobody reads you stupid site.

Mike

Well just study http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm in peace and quiet and maybe you will understand!

Most radiation is harmless. Nobody at Fukushima has died from it.
Radiation is NOT harmless and you're a conspiracy theorist who will lie to make your point.

You have absolutely no personal integrity.

I have read you whole site and it's nothing but junk science.

Mike

Well, I explain the opposite! There was no RADIATION at Hiroshima/Nagasaki and the RADIATION at Fukushima today is harmless, so it is only to move back and be happy. The yakusa has cleaned up the place. And the RADIATION at my place is also harmlss. But it seems that RADIATION in space will kill you making space travel impossible, but in spite of this humans can fly around in space, bla, bla, bla. Plenty junk science around. I call it pseudoscience. It works very well. No conspiracy at all. People without integrity use it.
Yeah, you explained it and you're still wrong.  You fabricated a lie to fit you conspiracy theory.  You don't care if it's accurate if it supports your narrative.

Have at least a little personal integrity and do it right.

Mike

What conspiracy theory are you talking about?

Hiroshima/Nagasaki 1945! But it was just propaganda to scare people and end WW2. No conspiracy, no a-bombs and no radiation! Just visit the towns yourself and have a look!

Fukushima 2011? The radiation was real but harmless - it was cleaned away by the yakusa in a few weeks - but people were scared about it and driven away by the authorities ... and are now ordered to return. Not really a conspiracy.

I consider it a scandal. Telling lies to and fooling innocent, simple people.
Yeah, keep ignoring the fact that I called you for lying to protect your junk science and conclusions.  The radiation levels may have been relatively harmless that does NOT mean that radiation is harmless. 

I did what you asked.  I copied and pasted what was wrong and gave you the correct information with links.  You then could use my links for search for you own to see whether or not I was correct. 

The fact is you fabricated a lie to fit you conspiracy theory.  You don't care if it's accurate if it supports your narrative.

Mike

Well, my website and conclusions are not junk science! Everything is correct incl. my statement that the radiation at Fukushima was and is harmless.

Radiation is only a question of dose - intensity and exposure time. Incorrect radiation my kill you.  I friend of mine has been regularily radiated for over a year! To kill some cancer cells in the throat. Such radiation is harmful for the cancer cells but harmless to my friend. 

Only crazy twerps suggest I fabricate lies to support invented conspiracy theories.

Why do you post so much BS, Mike?
I did this for a living so you are not even remotely qualified to tell me I'm wrong when it comes to radiation and reactor theory.  I, on the other hand, am qualified to tell you that you're wrong.

I think you do know you're wrong but you won't fix it because it then it makes you assessment of Fukashima wrong.  You are just a conspiracy theorist who will lie to make a point with no credibility or integrity.

Mike

Why do you post so much BS, Mike?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on August 05, 2017, 12:54:51 PM
Wow! What a rebuttal!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Pezevenk on August 05, 2017, 12:56:27 PM

Are you seriously saying that radiation is harmless in just in Japan?

Radiation exposure in NEVER harmless. Your just another conspiracy theory nut job who will say anything  to support your delusional rantings.

Good thing nobody reads you stupid site.

Mike

Well just study http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm in peace and quiet and maybe you will understand!

Most radiation is harmless. Nobody at Fukushima has died from it.
Radiation is NOT harmless and you're a conspiracy theorist who will lie to make your point.

You have absolutely no personal integrity.

I have read you whole site and it's nothing but junk science.

Mike

Well, I explain the opposite! There was no RADIATION at Hiroshima/Nagasaki and the RADIATION at Fukushima today is harmless, so it is only to move back and be happy. The yakusa has cleaned up the place. And the RADIATION at my place is also harmlss. But it seems that RADIATION in space will kill you making space travel impossible, but in spite of this humans can fly around in space, bla, bla, bla. Plenty junk science around. I call it pseudoscience. It works very well. No conspiracy at all. People without integrity use it.
Yeah, you explained it and you're still wrong.  You fabricated a lie to fit you conspiracy theory.  You don't care if it's accurate if it supports your narrative.

Have at least a little personal integrity and do it right.

Mike

What conspiracy theory are you talking about?

Hiroshima/Nagasaki 1945! But it was just propaganda to scare people and end WW2. No conspiracy, no a-bombs and no radiation! Just visit the towns yourself and have a look!

Fukushima 2011? The radiation was real but harmless - it was cleaned away by the yakusa in a few weeks - but people were scared about it and driven away by the authorities ... and are now ordered to return. Not really a conspiracy.

I consider it a scandal. Telling lies to and fooling innocent, simple people.
Yeah, keep ignoring the fact that I called you for lying to protect your junk science and conclusions.  The radiation levels may have been relatively harmless that does NOT mean that radiation is harmless. 

I did what you asked.  I copied and pasted what was wrong and gave you the correct information with links.  You then could use my links for search for you own to see whether or not I was correct. 

The fact is you fabricated a lie to fit you conspiracy theory.  You don't care if it's accurate if it supports your narrative.

Mike

Well, my website and conclusions are not junk science! Everything is correct incl. my statement that the radiation at Fukushima was and is harmless.

Radiation is only a question of dose - intensity and exposure time. Incorrect radiation my kill you.  I friend of mine has been regularily radiated for over a year! To kill some cancer cells in the throat. Such radiation is harmful for the cancer cells but harmless to my friend. 

Only crazy twerps suggest I fabricate lies to support invented conspiracy theories.

Why do you post so much BS, Mike?

So you think the radiation is completely harmless to the healthy cells? Whoohoo, that sounds amazing! I think you should go radiate yourself 2 times a week with as high intensity rays as possible just to be safe from all potential cancer cells! It will be great for your health and should be mandatory in your age! Try it!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 05, 2017, 12:56:57 PM
Wow! What a rebuttal!
Why do you post so much BS?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on August 05, 2017, 12:59:23 PM
Before I doubted you but now I can see you really do have very strong evidence to back your positions.

PS. I bet Heiwa's chest puffs out when he reads this.  ;D
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on August 05, 2017, 01:00:44 PM
Also, are you gonna respond to Mike and DNO regarding radiation? Or just try to talk about BS instead?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 05, 2017, 01:57:01 PM

Are you seriously saying that radiation is harmless in just in Japan?

Radiation exposure in NEVER harmless. Your just another conspiracy theory nut job who will say anything  to support your delusional rantings.

Good thing nobody reads you stupid site.

Mike

Well just study http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm in peace and quiet and maybe you will understand!

Most radiation is harmless. Nobody at Fukushima has died from it.
Radiation is NOT harmless and you're a conspiracy theorist who will lie to make your point.

You have absolutely no personal integrity.

I have read you whole site and it's nothing but junk science.

Mike

Well, I explain the opposite! There was no RADIATION at Hiroshima/Nagasaki and the RADIATION at Fukushima today is harmless, so it is only to move back and be happy. The yakusa has cleaned up the place. And the RADIATION at my place is also harmlss. But it seems that RADIATION in space will kill you making space travel impossible, but in spite of this humans can fly around in space, bla, bla, bla. Plenty junk science around. I call it pseudoscience. It works very well. No conspiracy at all. People without integrity use it.
Yeah, you explained it and you're still wrong.  You fabricated a lie to fit you conspiracy theory.  You don't care if it's accurate if it supports your narrative.

Have at least a little personal integrity and do it right.

Mike

What conspiracy theory are you talking about?

Hiroshima/Nagasaki 1945! But it was just propaganda to scare people and end WW2. No conspiracy, no a-bombs and no radiation! Just visit the towns yourself and have a look!

Fukushima 2011? The radiation was real but harmless - it was cleaned away by the yakusa in a few weeks - but people were scared about it and driven away by the authorities ... and are now ordered to return. Not really a conspiracy.

I consider it a scandal. Telling lies to and fooling innocent, simple people.
Yeah, keep ignoring the fact that I called you for lying to protect your junk science and conclusions.  The radiation levels may have been relatively harmless that does NOT mean that radiation is harmless. 

I did what you asked.  I copied and pasted what was wrong and gave you the correct information with links.  You then could use my links for search for you own to see whether or not I was correct. 

The fact is you fabricated a lie to fit you conspiracy theory.  You don't care if it's accurate if it supports your narrative.

Mike

Well, my website and conclusions are not junk science! Everything is correct incl. my statement that the radiation at Fukushima was and is harmless.

Radiation is only a question of dose - intensity and exposure time. Incorrect radiation my kill you.  I friend of mine has been regularily radiated for over a year! To kill some cancer cells in the throat. Such radiation is harmful for the cancer cells but harmless to my friend. 

Only crazy twerps suggest I fabricate lies to support invented conspiracy theories.

Why do you post so much BS, Mike?
I did this for a living so you are not even remotely qualified to tell me I'm wrong when it comes to radiation and reactor theory.  I, on the other hand, am qualified to tell you that you're wrong.

I think you do know you're wrong but you won't fix it because it then it makes you assessment of Fukashima wrong.  You are just a conspiracy theorist who will lie to make a point with no credibility or integrity.

Mike

Why do you post so much BS, Mike?

If it should be easy to prove me wrong.  Do you have to balls to try and prove me wrong.  Don't link to your website to do as a source.  I provided multiple links that support me.  How about you do the same?  If you're right it should be easy.

Fix your site or admit you're just a conspiracy theorist who will lie to make a point with no credibility or integrity.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 05, 2017, 07:18:22 PM

If it should be easy to prove me wrong.  Do you have to balls to try and prove me wrong.  Don't link to your website to do as a source.  I provided multiple links that support me.  How about you do the same?  If you're right it should be easy.

Fix your site or admit you're just a conspiracy theorist who will lie to make a point with no credibility or integrity.

Mike

But I am quite happy with my site. It doesn't need any fixing. I am not in your conspiracy or FES business. I write about safety at sea, in space, in tops of skyscrapers and around nuclear power plants, etc. But thanks for your comments anyway.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 05, 2017, 07:28:35 PM
I write about safety at sea, in space, in tops of skyscrapers and around nuclear power plants, etc.

J. R. R. Tolkien wrote about Hobbits.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 06, 2017, 02:00:44 AM
I write about safety at sea, in space, in tops of skyscrapers and around nuclear power plants, etc.

J. R. R. Tolkien wrote about Hobbits.
Thanks for an interesting post.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Pezevenk on August 06, 2017, 03:05:17 AM
I write about safety at sea, in space, in tops of skyscrapers and around nuclear power plants, etc.

J. R. R. Tolkien wrote about Hobbits.
Thanks for an interesting post.

It's because of exchanges like this why I love this site.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: frenat on August 06, 2017, 04:14:53 AM
I write about safety at sea, in space, in tops of skyscrapers and around nuclear power plants, etc.

J. R. R. Tolkien wrote about Hobbits.
Thanks for an interesting post.

Looks like the Heiwa-bot is broken again.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 06, 2017, 04:33:45 AM

If it should be easy to prove me wrong.  Do you have to balls to try and prove me wrong.  Don't link to your website to do as a source.  I provided multiple links that support me.  How about you do the same?  If you're right it should be easy.

Fix your site or admit you're just a conspiracy theorist who will lie to make a point with no credibility or integrity.

Mike

But I am quite happy with my site. It doesn't need any fixing. I am not in your conspiracy or FES business. I write about safety at sea, in space, in tops of skyscrapers and around nuclear power plants, etc. But thanks for your comments anyway.
Okay, answer this question.

Why is your definition of radiation correct and mine is wrong.  If you can prove you are right and I'm wrong I'll stop posting on this subject.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 06, 2017, 07:29:33 AM

If it should be easy to prove me wrong.  Do you have to balls to try and prove me wrong.  Don't link to your website to do as a source.  I provided multiple links that support me.  How about you do the same?  If you're right it should be easy.

Fix your site or admit you're just a conspiracy theorist who will lie to make a point with no credibility or integrity.

Mike

But I am quite happy with my site. It doesn't need any fixing. I am not in your conspiracy or FES business. I write about safety at sea, in space, in tops of skyscrapers and around nuclear power plants, etc. But thanks for your comments anyway.
Okay, answer this question.

Why is your definition of radiation correct and mine is wrong.  If you can prove you are right and I'm wrong I'll stop posting on this subject.

Mike

I link to sites that have measure radiation at Hiroshima/Nagasaki - none - and Fukushima - low, harmless values resulting in low doses. I describe a place is Iran where the normal background radiation is high and ... apparently harmless for the population. I had a house in Erzgebirge 17 years and in the vicinity there were hotels offering healthy radiation cures. My friend WM mined something for Wismut AG that Stalin built an a-bomb with. But it was not uranium! It was all fake.

You link to sites suggesting that strong doses of radiation can kill people.

It seems the world's experts haven't yet completely agreed what doses are harmless and what are not. So they say all radiation is dangerous and will kill you ... to be on the safe side.

Anyway, the purpose of my site is not radiation! It is that all nuclear weapons and their explosive fission are fake, so they cannot produce any radiation.

On the other hand nuclear power and moderated fission are well understood and safe.

If you quote me, quote me correctly.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 06, 2017, 07:53:41 AM
moderated fission


Just for shits . . . why would it need to be 'moderated' ?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 06, 2017, 08:18:04 AM
moderated fission


Just for shits . . . why would it need to be 'moderated' ?

Quote
Nuclear power relies on fission of the uranium-235 nuclei that perpetuates the initial split in other nuclei in an environment moderated by control rods. The power garnered from this process is used to heat water, which in turn powers an electric turbine generator. If the flow of water being heated stops, it can result in a meltdown where the uranium particles melt, releasing radioactive vapors which can escape into the air if security protocol fails.
https://futurism.com/use-nuclear-power-decline-why/
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Badxtoss on August 06, 2017, 10:25:54 AM
moderated fission


Just for shits . . . why would it need to be 'moderated' ?

Quote
Nuclear power relies on fission of the uranium-235 nuclei that perpetuates the initial split in other nuclei in an environment moderated by control rods. The power garnered from this process is used to heat water, which in turn powers an electric turbine generator. If the flow of water being heated stops, it can result in a meltdown where the uranium particles melt, releasing radioactive vapors which can escape into the air if security protocol fails.
https://futurism.com/use-nuclear-power-decline-why/
That says nuclear power relies on it being moderated, it doesn't say fission must be moderated.  It also seems to imply that radioactive vapors are dangerous something you claim is not true.
So are you going to change that part on your website and admit you were wrong?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 06, 2017, 11:02:39 AM
moderated fission


Just for shits . . . why would it need to be 'moderated' ?

Quote
Nuclear power relies on fission of the uranium-235 nuclei that perpetuates the initial split in other nuclei in an environment moderated by control rods. The power garnered from this process is used to heat water, which in turn powers an electric turbine generator. If the flow of water being heated stops, it can result in a meltdown where the uranium particles melt, releasing radioactive vapors which can escape into the air if security protocol fails.
https://futurism.com/use-nuclear-power-decline-why/
That says nuclear power relies on it being moderated, it doesn't say fission must be moderated.  It also seems to imply that radioactive vapors are dangerous something you claim is not true.
So are you going to change that part on your website and admit you were wrong?
Yes, fission must be moderated to produce nuclear power/steam/electricity. Otherwise the system will overheat and fission stops. Nothing wrong with it. Fission is just splitting atoms.

And that is why military, secret, explosive FLASH fission doesn't work. It overheats and fizzles before it can produce a FLASH.

Radioactive vapours? Yes, they maybe dangerous, if they produce high doses of radiation. Have I suggested something else? No. I just point out that the radiation after the Fukushima incident has not killed anybody. The dangers were exaggerated while organized crime - yakusa - cleaned up the place. Maybe any radioactive vapours just blowed away?
Why can't you quote me correctly? You don't sound serious.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Badxtoss on August 06, 2017, 11:29:29 AM
moderated fission


Just for shits . . . why would it need to be 'moderated' ?

Quote
Nuclear power relies on fission of the uranium-235 nuclei that perpetuates the initial split in other nuclei in an environment moderated by control rods. The power garnered from this process is used to heat water, which in turn powers an electric turbine generator. If the flow of water being heated stops, it can result in a meltdown where the uranium particles melt, releasing radioactive vapors which can escape into the air if security protocol fails.
https://futurism.com/use-nuclear-power-decline-why/
That says nuclear power relies on it being moderated, it doesn't say fission must be moderated.  It also seems to imply that radioactive vapors are dangerous something you claim is not true.
So are you going to change that part on your website and admit you were wrong?
Yes, fission must be moderated to produce nuclear power/steam/electricity. Otherwise the system will overheat and fission stops. Nothing wrong with it. Fission is just splitting atoms.

And that is why military, secret, explosive FLASH fission doesn't work. It overheats and fizzles before it can produce a FLASH.

Radioactive vapours? Yes, they maybe dangerous, if they produce high doses of radiation. Have I suggested something else? No. I just point out that the radiation after the Fukushima incident has not killed anybody. The dangers were exaggerated while organized crime - yakusa - cleaned up the place. Maybe any radioactive vapours just blowed away?
Why can't you quote me correctly? You don't sound serious.
Ok but that's not what your source said.  It did not say that fission must be moderated or that it cannot be explosive.  You were using this source to support those claims, it doesn't.  Do you have a source that does?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 06, 2017, 12:06:33 PM
moderated fission


Just for shits . . . why would it need to be 'moderated' ?

Quote
Nuclear power relies on fission of the uranium-235 nuclei that perpetuates the initial split in other nuclei in an environment moderated by control rods. The power garnered from this process is used to heat water, which in turn powers an electric turbine generator. If the flow of water being heated stops, it can result in a meltdown where the uranium particles melt, releasing radioactive vapors which can escape into the air if security protocol fails.
https://futurism.com/use-nuclear-power-decline-why/
That says nuclear power relies on it being moderated, it doesn't say fission must be moderated.  It also seems to imply that radioactive vapors are dangerous something you claim is not true.
So are you going to change that part on your website and admit you were wrong?
Yes, fission must be moderated to produce nuclear power/steam/electricity. Otherwise the system will overheat and fission stops. Nothing wrong with it. Fission is just splitting atoms.

And that is why military, secret, explosive FLASH fission doesn't work. It overheats and fizzles before it can produce a FLASH.

Radioactive vapours? Yes, they maybe dangerous, if they produce high doses of radiation. Have I suggested something else? No. I just point out that the radiation after the Fukushima incident has not killed anybody. The dangers were exaggerated while organized crime - yakusa - cleaned up the place. Maybe any radioactive vapours just blowed away?
Why can't you quote me correctly? You don't sound serious.
This is all wrong and you don't have a source to support so where did you get the information?

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 06, 2017, 12:19:28 PM

If it should be easy to prove me wrong.  Do you have to balls to try and prove me wrong.  Don't link to your website to do as a source.  I provided multiple links that support me.  How about you do the same?  If you're right it should be easy.

Fix your site or admit you're just a conspiracy theorist who will lie to make a point with no credibility or integrity.

Mike

But I am quite happy with my site. It doesn't need any fixing. I am not in your conspiracy or FES business. I write about safety at sea, in space, in tops of skyscrapers and around nuclear power plants, etc. But thanks for your comments anyway.
Okay, answer this question.

Why is your definition of radiation correct and mine is wrong.  If you can prove you are right and I'm wrong I'll stop posting on this subject.

Mike

I link to sites that have measure radiation at Hiroshima/Nagasaki - none - and Fukushima - low, harmless values resulting in low doses. I describe a place is Iran where the normal background radiation is high and ... apparently harmless for the population. I had a house in Erzgebirge 17 years and in the vicinity there were hotels offering healthy radiation cures. My friend WM mined something for Wismut AG that Stalin built an a-bomb with. But it was not uranium! It was all fake.

You link to sites suggesting that strong doses of radiation can kill people.

It seems the world's experts haven't yet completely agreed what doses are harmless and what are not. So they say all radiation is dangerous and will kill you ... to be on the safe side.

Anyway, the purpose of my site is not radiation! It is that all nuclear weapons and their explosive fission are fake, so they cannot produce any radiation.

On the other hand nuclear power and moderated fission are well understood and safe.

If you quote me, quote me correctly.
Like I said before your links stated that the exposure levels were low but nowhere in any of your sources are the definitions for ionizing radiation you've used on your site.  Unless you can show the source you claimed you copied that info from fix it.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 07, 2017, 03:52:59 AM

If it should be easy to prove me wrong.  Do you have to balls to try and prove me wrong.  Don't link to your website to do as a source.  I provided multiple links that support me.  How about you do the same?  If you're right it should be easy.

Fix your site or admit you're just a conspiracy theorist who will lie to make a point with no credibility or integrity.

Mike

But I am quite happy with my site. It doesn't need any fixing. I am not in your conspiracy or FES business. I write about safety at sea, in space, in tops of skyscrapers and around nuclear power plants, etc. But thanks for your comments anyway.
Okay, answer this question.

Why is your definition of radiation correct and mine is wrong.  If you can prove you are right and I'm wrong I'll stop posting on this subject.

Mike

I link to sites that have measure radiation at Hiroshima/Nagasaki - none - and Fukushima - low, harmless values resulting in low doses. I describe a place is Iran where the normal background radiation is high and ... apparently harmless for the population. I had a house in Erzgebirge 17 years and in the vicinity there were hotels offering healthy radiation cures. My friend WM mined something for Wismut AG that Stalin built an a-bomb with. But it was not uranium! It was all fake.

You link to sites suggesting that strong doses of radiation can kill people.

It seems the world's experts haven't yet completely agreed what doses are harmless and what are not. So they say all radiation is dangerous and will kill you ... to be on the safe side.

Anyway, the purpose of my site is not radiation! It is that all nuclear weapons and their explosive fission are fake, so they cannot produce any radiation.

On the other hand nuclear power and moderated fission are well understood and safe.

If you quote me, quote me correctly.
Like I said before your links stated that the exposure levels were low but nowhere in any of your sources are the definitions for ionizing radiation you've used on your site.  Unless you can show the source you claimed you copied that info from fix it.

Mike

You sound drunk. What shall I fix? Do you support Stalin/Wismut AG building fake a-bombs 1946/9 and then torturing certain staff to keep the hoax going?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 07, 2017, 04:25:08 AM
Like I said before your links stated that the exposure levels were low but nowhere in any of your sources are the definitions for ionizing radiation you've used on your site.  Unless you can show the source you claimed you copied that info from fix it.

Mike

You sound drunk. What shall I fix? Do you support Stalin/Wismut AG building fake a-bombs 1946/9 and then torturing certain staff to keep the hoax going?
You posted in the quote below that you “copy/paste info about all sorts of radiation” into your website. 

You don’t have the first clue how radiation works and you “rewrite” the radiation definitions to suit needs.

You spend a lot of time posting non-responses to questions I and others ask and then belittle us with you inane name calling...even after you tell us we must be polite and civil.  Why the double standard? 

You obviously didn’t read my links on radiation because you stated they were about high doses...which is completely wrong.  They were simply definitions of the type and their effects.

Further, your trying to imply that just because the Japanese near Fukashima received low doses somehow means radiation is not harmful.  If you had the first clue what you are talking about you would realize that makes absolutely no sense. 

Try actually responding to the information in this post and answer the questions.

1. Where are the sources/links for your definitions of radiation?
2. WHY DON’T YOU HAVE TO BE POLITE AND CIVIL EVEN THOUGH YOU TELL ME I HAVE TO?

Hm, I do not define radiation. I just copy/paste info about all sorts of radiation and rewrite it in an easy to understand way.

It seems nobody has died at Fukushima of radiation. But plenty Japanese from Fukushima are sick of stress and bad treatment by the government.

I am just a safety at sea consultant trying to improve safety at sea. Plenty victims of not seaworthy ships have contacted me about their experiences. It is always their own faults. Etc, etc. Many governments don't like me.
Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 07, 2017, 06:19:47 AM

Further, your trying to imply that just because the Japanese near Fukashima received low doses somehow means radiation is not harmful.  If you had the first clue what you are talking about you would realize that makes absolutely no sense. 

Mike

Well, the Japanese near Fukushima were told they had been radiated and were then forced out so that the area could be cleaned up and radiation removed by people employed by local organized crime - yakusa. And now the radiated people that were force out are asked to return  as the area is safe again. It seems it is very easy to scare people with radiation of all sorts. The Japanese are told all radiation is deadly since 1945.

I just describe bits and pieces of that scandal at my website about the Hiroshima/Nagasaki a-bomb hoax, i.e. no a-bombs ever exploded anywhere 1945. It was just propaganda.
The a-bomb propaganda show is still on - yesterday the mayor of Hiroshima and the prime minister of Japan were at Hiroshima reminding us how Hiroshima was vaporized in a FLASH 72 years ago. Stupid people! Just repeating stupid propaganda.

And you change the topic and talk about radiation! Sorry Mike, you are a twerp.

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Badxtoss on August 07, 2017, 06:24:52 AM

Further, your trying to imply that just because the Japanese near Fukashima received low doses somehow means radiation is not harmful.  If you had the first clue what you are talking about you would realize that makes absolutely no sense. 

Mike

Well, the Japanese near Fukushima were told they had been radiated and were then forced out so that the area could be cleaned up and radiation removed by people employed by local organized crime - yakusa. And now the radiated people that were force out are asked to return again as the area is safe again.
I just describe bits and pieces of that scandal at my website about the Hiroshima/Nagasaki a-bomb hoax, i.e. no a-bombs ever exploded anywhere 1945. It was just propaganda.
The a-bomb propaganda show is still on - yesterday the mayor of Hiroshima and the prime minister of Japan were at Hiroshima reminding us how Hiroshima was vaporized in a FLASH 72 years ago. Stupid people! Just repeating stupid propaganda.

And you change the topic and talk about radiation! Sorry Mike, you are a twerp.
The topic is your lack of understanding about everything.  He simply demonstrated your lack of understanding about radiation.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 07, 2017, 06:33:59 AM

Further, your trying to imply that just because the Japanese near Fukashima received low doses somehow means radiation is not harmful.  If you had the first clue what you are talking about you would realize that makes absolutely no sense. 

Mike

Well, the Japanese near Fukushima were told they had been radiated and were then forced out so that the area could be cleaned up and radiation removed by people employed by local organized crime - yakusa. And now the radiated people that were force out are asked to return  as the area is safe again. It seems it is very easy to scare people with radiation of all sorts. The Japanese are told all radiation is deadly since 1945.

I just describe bits and pieces of that scandal at my website about the Hiroshima/Nagasaki a-bomb hoax, i.e. no a-bombs ever exploded anywhere 1945. It was just propaganda.
The a-bomb propaganda show is still on - yesterday the mayor of Hiroshima and the prime minister of Japan were at Hiroshima reminding us how Hiroshima was vaporized in a FLASH 72 years ago. Stupid people! Just repeating stupid propaganda.

And you change the topic and talk about radiation! Sorry Mike, you are a twerp.
Again, you cut the questions out so you won't have to answer them. And, we all know it's because you're afraid to.


1. Where are the sources/links for your definitions of radiation?
2. WHY DON’T YOU HAVE TO BE POLITE AND CIVIL EVEN THOUGH YOU TELL ME I HAVE TO?

Oh, and I'm pretty sure this thread is about everything you don't know so this fits right in.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on August 07, 2017, 07:16:30 AM
@Heiwa

1. Where are the sources/links for your definitions of radiation?
2. WHY DON’T YOU HAVE TO BE POLITE AND CIVIL EVEN THOUGH YOU TELL ME I HAVE TO?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 07, 2017, 07:38:29 AM

Further, your trying to imply that just because the Japanese near Fukashima received low doses somehow means radiation is not harmful.  If you had the first clue what you are talking about you would realize that makes absolutely no sense. 

Mike

Well, the Japanese near Fukushima were told they had been radiated and were then forced out so that the area could be cleaned up and radiation removed by people employed by local organized crime - yakusa. And now the radiated people that were force out are asked to return again as the area is safe again.
I just describe bits and pieces of that scandal at my website about the Hiroshima/Nagasaki a-bomb hoax, i.e. no a-bombs ever exploded anywhere 1945. It was just propaganda.
The a-bomb propaganda show is still on - yesterday the mayor of Hiroshima and the prime minister of Japan were at Hiroshima reminding us how Hiroshima was vaporized in a FLASH 72 years ago. Stupid people! Just repeating stupid propaganda.

And you change the topic and talk about radiation! Sorry Mike, you are a twerp.
The topic is your lack of understanding about everything.  He simply demonstrated your lack of understanding about radiation.

Well, I describe my understanding of radiation at Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Fukushima in writing at my website and everyone is welcome to copy/paste what is wrong.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 07, 2017, 07:42:36 AM

Further, your trying to imply that just because the Japanese near Fukashima received low doses somehow means radiation is not harmful.  If you had the first clue what you are talking about you would realize that makes absolutely no sense. 

Mike

Well, the Japanese near Fukushima were told they had been radiated and were then forced out so that the area could be cleaned up and radiation removed by people employed by local organized crime - yakusa. And now the radiated people that were force out are asked to return again as the area is safe again.
I just describe bits and pieces of that scandal at my website about the Hiroshima/Nagasaki a-bomb hoax, i.e. no a-bombs ever exploded anywhere 1945. It was just propaganda.
The a-bomb propaganda show is still on - yesterday the mayor of Hiroshima and the prime minister of Japan were at Hiroshima reminding us how Hiroshima was vaporized in a FLASH 72 years ago. Stupid people! Just repeating stupid propaganda.

And you change the topic and talk about radiation! Sorry Mike, you are a twerp.
The topic is your lack of understanding about everything.  He simply demonstrated your lack of understanding about radiation.

Well, I describe my understanding of radiation at Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Fukushima in writing at my website and everyone is welcome to copy/paste what is wrong.
I already did that and you blew me off and said you "copy/paste" the information.

Now, answer the questions.

1. Where are the sources/links for your definitions of radiation?
2. WHY DON’T YOU HAVE TO BE POLITE AND CIVIL EVEN THOUGH YOU TELL ME I HAVE TO?

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 07, 2017, 08:11:40 AM

Further, your trying to imply that just because the Japanese near Fukashima received low doses somehow means radiation is not harmful.  If you had the first clue what you are talking about you would realize that makes absolutely no sense. 

Mike

Well, the Japanese near Fukushima were told they had been radiated and were then forced out so that the area could be cleaned up and radiation removed by people employed by local organized crime - yakusa. And now the radiated people that were force out are asked to return again as the area is safe again.
I just describe bits and pieces of that scandal at my website about the Hiroshima/Nagasaki a-bomb hoax, i.e. no a-bombs ever exploded anywhere 1945. It was just propaganda.
The a-bomb propaganda show is still on - yesterday the mayor of Hiroshima and the prime minister of Japan were at Hiroshima reminding us how Hiroshima was vaporized in a FLASH 72 years ago. Stupid people! Just repeating stupid propaganda.

And you change the topic and talk about radiation! Sorry Mike, you are a twerp.
The topic is your lack of understanding about everything.  He simply demonstrated your lack of understanding about radiation.

Well, I describe my understanding of radiation at Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Fukushima in writing at my website and everyone is welcome to copy/paste what is wrong.
I already did that and you blew me off and said you "copy/paste" the information.

Now, answer the questions.

1. Where are the sources/links for your definitions of radiation?
2. WHY DON’T YOU HAVE TO BE POLITE AND CIVIL EVEN THOUGH YOU TELL ME I HAVE TO?

Mike

Hm, I provide the links at my website. In general I use recognized definitions of subjects of discussion, so no sources are provided.

I describe radiation at my site and the confusion amongst 'experts' what it is:

"The radiation has not been the disaster. It's our response to the radiation, our fear that we've projected on to others, to say this is really dangerous. It isn't really dangerous and there are plenty of places in the world where you would live with background radiation of at least this level."

Professor Geraldine Thomas of Imperial College, London, 10 March, 2016


The World Health Organization has investigated the radiation exposures of Fukushima:  

The present results suggest that the increases in the incidence of human disease attributable to the additional radiation exposure from the Fukushima Daiichi NPP accident are likely to remain below detectable levels. ... 
To date, the Fukushima Daiichi NPP accident has not resulted in acute radiation effects among workers. None of the seven reported deaths among workers is attributable to radiation exposure.


The World Nuclear Association has also studied the radiation exposure at Fukushima:

On 11 April 2012 the government suggested that those outside the 20km zone who were likely to accumulate 20 mSv/year total dose should move out within a month. Data at the end of May (with most I-131 gone by decay) showed that about half of the 20 km evacuation zone and a similar area to the NW, total about 1000 sq km, would give an annual dose of 20 mSv to March 2012. ... 
From April 2012 part of the 20-km radius area and the portion of Minami-Soma city extending north from it, were recategorised by the Environment Ministry: below 20 mSv/yr, evacuation called off; 20-50 mSv/yr "restrict residency", allowing entry for specific purposes with no protective equipment required and remediation action to be completed in March 2014 (now 2017); and over 50 mSv/yr "difficulty of return", with restricted entry and remediation deferred. These restricted areas, comprising about half of the 20-km radius evacuation zone, are not expected to drop below 20 mSv/yr before about March 2016. Such areas add to those devastated by the tsunami, where rebuilding is very uncertain. 


It would appear that the mentioned doses are not dangerous at all.

Just visit my page http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm#RAD and you find links to the present and past situation at Fukushima.


Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 07, 2017, 08:18:46 AM

Further, your trying to imply that just because the Japanese near Fukashima received low doses somehow means radiation is not harmful.  If you had the first clue what you are talking about you would realize that makes absolutely no sense. 

Mike

Well, the Japanese near Fukushima were told they had been radiated and were then forced out so that the area could be cleaned up and radiation removed by people employed by local organized crime - yakusa. And now the radiated people that were force out are asked to return again as the area is safe again.
I just describe bits and pieces of that scandal at my website about the Hiroshima/Nagasaki a-bomb hoax, i.e. no a-bombs ever exploded anywhere 1945. It was just propaganda.
The a-bomb propaganda show is still on - yesterday the mayor of Hiroshima and the prime minister of Japan were at Hiroshima reminding us how Hiroshima was vaporized in a FLASH 72 years ago. Stupid people! Just repeating stupid propaganda.

And you change the topic and talk about radiation! Sorry Mike, you are a twerp.
The topic is your lack of understanding about everything.  He simply demonstrated your lack of understanding about radiation.

Well, I describe my understanding of radiation at Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Fukushima in writing at my website and everyone is welcome to copy/paste what is wrong.
I already did that and you blew me off and said you "copy/paste" the information.

Now, answer the questions.

1. Where are the sources/links for your definitions of radiation?
2. WHY DON’T YOU HAVE TO BE POLITE AND CIVIL EVEN THOUGH YOU TELL ME I HAVE TO?

Mike

Hm, I provide the links at my website. In general I use recognized definitions of subjects of discussion, so no sources are provided.

I describe radiation at my site and the confusion amongst 'experts' what it is:

"The radiation has not been the disaster. It's our response to the radiation, our fear that we've projected on to others, to say this is really dangerous. It isn't really dangerous and there are plenty of places in the world where you would live with background radiation of at least this level."

Professor Geraldine Thomas of Imperial College, London, 10 March, 2016


The World Health Organization has investigated the radiation exposures of Fukushima: 

The present results suggest that the increases in the incidence of human disease attributable to the additional radiation exposure from the Fukushima Daiichi NPP accident are likely to remain below detectable levels. ...
To date, the Fukushima Daiichi NPP accident has not resulted in acute radiation effects among workers. None of the seven reported deaths among workers is attributable to radiation exposure.


The World Nuclear Association has also studied the radiation exposure at Fukushima:

On 11 April 2012 the government suggested that those outside the 20km zone who were likely to accumulate 20 mSv/year total dose should move out within a month. Data at the end of May (with most I-131 gone by decay) showed that about half of the 20 km evacuation zone and a similar area to the NW, total about 1000 sq km, would give an annual dose of 20 mSv to March 2012. ...
From April 2012 part of the 20-km radius area and the portion of Minami-Soma city extending north from it, were recategorised by the Environment Ministry: below 20 mSv/yr, evacuation called off; 20-50 mSv/yr "restrict residency", allowing entry for specific purposes with no protective equipment required and remediation action to be completed in March 2014 (now 2017); and over 50 mSv/yr "difficulty of return", with restricted entry and remediation deferred. These restricted areas, comprising about half of the 20-km radius evacuation zone, are not expected to drop below 20 mSv/yr before about March 2016. Such areas add to those devastated by the tsunami, where rebuilding is very uncertain.


It would appear that the mentioned doses are not dangerous at all.

Just visit my page http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm#RAD and you find links to the present and past situation at Fukushima.
I'm not talking about the first rates and exposure times. I'm merely asking about your definitions for each of the types of radiation and the comment that radiation is harmless. Not that the exposures at Fukashima were low but you say the radiation is harmless.

Answer the questions.

1. Where are the sources/links for your definitions of radiation?
2. WHY DON’T YOU HAVE TO BE POLITE AND CIVIL EVEN THOUGH YOU TELL ME I HAVE TO?

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 07, 2017, 08:31:24 AM

Further, your trying to imply that just because the Japanese near Fukashima received low doses somehow means radiation is not harmful.  If you had the first clue what you are talking about you would realize that makes absolutely no sense. 

Mike

Well, the Japanese near Fukushima were told they had been radiated and were then forced out so that the area could be cleaned up and radiation removed by people employed by local organized crime - yakusa. And now the radiated people that were force out are asked to return again as the area is safe again.
I just describe bits and pieces of that scandal at my website about the Hiroshima/Nagasaki a-bomb hoax, i.e. no a-bombs ever exploded anywhere 1945. It was just propaganda.
The a-bomb propaganda show is still on - yesterday the mayor of Hiroshima and the prime minister of Japan were at Hiroshima reminding us how Hiroshima was vaporized in a FLASH 72 years ago. Stupid people! Just repeating stupid propaganda.

And you change the topic and talk about radiation! Sorry Mike, you are a twerp.
The topic is your lack of understanding about everything.  He simply demonstrated your lack of understanding about radiation.

Well, I describe my understanding of radiation at Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Fukushima in writing at my website and everyone is welcome to copy/paste what is wrong.
I already did that and you blew me off and said you "copy/paste" the information.

Now, answer the questions.

1. Where are the sources/links for your definitions of radiation?
2. WHY DON’T YOU HAVE TO BE POLITE AND CIVIL EVEN THOUGH YOU TELL ME I HAVE TO?

Mike

Hm, I provide the links at my website. In general I use recognized definitions of subjects of discussion, so no sources are provided.

I describe radiation at my site and the confusion amongst 'experts' what it is:

"The radiation has not been the disaster. It's our response to the radiation, our fear that we've projected on to others, to say this is really dangerous. It isn't really dangerous and there are plenty of places in the world where you would live with background radiation of at least this level."

Professor Geraldine Thomas of Imperial College, London, 10 March, 2016


The World Health Organization has investigated the radiation exposures of Fukushima: 

The present results suggest that the increases in the incidence of human disease attributable to the additional radiation exposure from the Fukushima Daiichi NPP accident are likely to remain below detectable levels. ...
To date, the Fukushima Daiichi NPP accident has not resulted in acute radiation effects among workers. None of the seven reported deaths among workers is attributable to radiation exposure.


The World Nuclear Association has also studied the radiation exposure at Fukushima:

On 11 April 2012 the government suggested that those outside the 20km zone who were likely to accumulate 20 mSv/year total dose should move out within a month. Data at the end of May (with most I-131 gone by decay) showed that about half of the 20 km evacuation zone and a similar area to the NW, total about 1000 sq km, would give an annual dose of 20 mSv to March 2012. ...
From April 2012 part of the 20-km radius area and the portion of Minami-Soma city extending north from it, were recategorised by the Environment Ministry: below 20 mSv/yr, evacuation called off; 20-50 mSv/yr "restrict residency", allowing entry for specific purposes with no protective equipment required and remediation action to be completed in March 2014 (now 2017); and over 50 mSv/yr "difficulty of return", with restricted entry and remediation deferred. These restricted areas, comprising about half of the 20-km radius evacuation zone, are not expected to drop below 20 mSv/yr before about March 2016. Such areas add to those devastated by the tsunami, where rebuilding is very uncertain.


It would appear that the mentioned doses are not dangerous at all.

Just visit my page http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm#RAD and you find links to the present and past situation at Fukushima.
I'm not talking about the first rates and exposure times. I'm merely asking about your definitions for each of the types of radiation and the comment that radiation is harmless. Not that the exposures at Fukashima were low but you say the radiation is harmless.

Answer the questions.

1. Where are the sources/links for your definitions of radiation?
2. WHY DON’T YOU HAVE TO BE POLITE AND CIVIL EVEN THOUGH YOU TELL ME I HAVE TO?

Mike

Sorry Mike, you really are a twerp.

All info I provide at my site is correct. If I do not define radiation as per your requirements, the reason is that it is not required to understand what I write. Why should I then answer your off topic questions?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 07, 2017, 08:46:52 AM

Further, your trying to imply that just because the Japanese near Fukashima received low doses somehow means radiation is not harmful.  If you had the first clue what you are talking about you would realize that makes absolutely no sense. 

Mike

Well, the Japanese near Fukushima were told they had been radiated and were then forced out so that the area could be cleaned up and radiation removed by people employed by local organized crime - yakusa. And now the radiated people that were force out are asked to return again as the area is safe again.
I just describe bits and pieces of that scandal at my website about the Hiroshima/Nagasaki a-bomb hoax, i.e. no a-bombs ever exploded anywhere 1945. It was just propaganda.
The a-bomb propaganda show is still on - yesterday the mayor of Hiroshima and the prime minister of Japan were at Hiroshima reminding us how Hiroshima was vaporized in a FLASH 72 years ago. Stupid people! Just repeating stupid propaganda.

And you change the topic and talk about radiation! Sorry Mike, you are a twerp.
The topic is your lack of understanding about everything.  He simply demonstrated your lack of understanding about radiation.

Well, I describe my understanding of radiation at Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Fukushima in writing at my website and everyone is welcome to copy/paste what is wrong.
I already did that and you blew me off and said you "copy/paste" the information.

Now, answer the questions.

1. Where are the sources/links for your definitions of radiation?
2. WHY DON’T YOU HAVE TO BE POLITE AND CIVIL EVEN THOUGH YOU TELL ME I HAVE TO?

Mike

Hm, I provide the links at my website. In general I use recognized definitions of subjects of discussion, so no sources are provided.

I describe radiation at my site and the confusion amongst 'experts' what it is:

"The radiation has not been the disaster. It's our response to the radiation, our fear that we've projected on to others, to say this is really dangerous. It isn't really dangerous and there are plenty of places in the world where you would live with background radiation of at least this level."

Professor Geraldine Thomas of Imperial College, London, 10 March, 2016


The World Health Organization has investigated the radiation exposures of Fukushima: 

The present results suggest that the increases in the incidence of human disease attributable to the additional radiation exposure from the Fukushima Daiichi NPP accident are likely to remain below detectable levels. ...
To date, the Fukushima Daiichi NPP accident has not resulted in acute radiation effects among workers. None of the seven reported deaths among workers is attributable to radiation exposure.


The World Nuclear Association has also studied the radiation exposure at Fukushima:

On 11 April 2012 the government suggested that those outside the 20km zone who were likely to accumulate 20 mSv/year total dose should move out within a month. Data at the end of May (with most I-131 gone by decay) showed that about half of the 20 km evacuation zone and a similar area to the NW, total about 1000 sq km, would give an annual dose of 20 mSv to March 2012. ...
From April 2012 part of the 20-km radius area and the portion of Minami-Soma city extending north from it, were recategorised by the Environment Ministry: below 20 mSv/yr, evacuation called off; 20-50 mSv/yr "restrict residency", allowing entry for specific purposes with no protective equipment required and remediation action to be completed in March 2014 (now 2017); and over 50 mSv/yr "difficulty of return", with restricted entry and remediation deferred. These restricted areas, comprising about half of the 20-km radius evacuation zone, are not expected to drop below 20 mSv/yr before about March 2016. Such areas add to those devastated by the tsunami, where rebuilding is very uncertain.


It would appear that the mentioned doses are not dangerous at all.

Just visit my page http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm#RAD and you find links to the present and past situation at Fukushima.
I'm not talking about the first rates and exposure times. I'm merely asking about your definitions for each of the types of radiation and the comment that radiation is harmless. Not that the exposures at Fukashima were low but you say the radiation is harmless.

Answer the questions.

1. Where are the sources/links for your definitions of radiation?
2. WHY DON’T YOU HAVE TO BE POLITE AND CIVIL EVEN THOUGH YOU TELL ME I HAVE TO?

Mike

Sorry Mike, you really are a twerp.

All info I provide at my site is correct. If I do not define radiation as per your requirements, the reason is that it is not required to understand what I write. Why should I then answer your off topic questions?
Nope. The definitions I provided aren't my requirements. They are the actual definitions as supported by the links I provided. All of which is proof you are wrong.

Answer the following:
1. Are you definitions for each of the types of ionizing radiation the current accepted definitions and if so cute the source?
2. What is the source for the statement that radiation is harmless?

I see your still calling people names and refuse to answer that question.

Listen, you cheesey headband wearin', Uncle Fester lookin' Fuck!  I'll start being polite and civil to you when you start doing the same to me and everyone else.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 07, 2017, 09:27:51 AM

Sorry Mike, you really are a twerp.

All info I provide at my site is correct. If I do not define radiation as per your requirements, the reason is that it is not required to understand what I write. Why should I then answer your off topic questions?
Nope. The definitions I provided aren't my requirements. They are the actual definitions as supported by the links I provided. All of which is proof you are wrong.

Answer the following:
1. Are you definitions for each of the types of ionizing radiation the current accepted definitions and if so cute the source?
2. What is the source for the statement that radiation is harmless?

I see your still calling people names and refuse to answer that question...Listen, you cheesey headband wearin', Uncle Fester lookin' Fuck!  I'll start being polite and civil to you when you start doing the same to me and everyone else.

Mike

Nothing is wrong at my website. I show that a-bombs do not work. So a-bombs cannot produce any radiation of any kind. There has been studies made of the alleged radiation at Hiroshima and Nagasaki and the conclusion is ... there was no radiation ... and a-bomb FLASH explosion. I describe it with a link at my site.

What about radiation at Fukushima? Well most stationary equipment recording radiation was destroyed by the 2011 tsunami, but anyway, there were no release of any hot gasses from the nuclear power plants until several days later, when hydrogen gasses exploded and the roofs flow away, etc, etc. Then there were chaos, strange unknown radiation was recorded and badly documented. I describe it at my site. And then the radiation was cleaned away by the local yakusa, etc, etc, and today all the population is ordered to return. I explain why at my site. The Fukushima hysteria was and is, in my opinion, driven by the 'experts' keeping the 1945 a-bomb hoax alive! There are Japanese afraid of being extradicted to the USA and shot, if they blow whistles about it.

And what do you do? Make stupid comments about my site.

I do not state that radiation is harmless. I state that the level of radiation at Fukushima doesn't add up to dangerous doses, etc, etc, and that the radiation at Fukushima - outside in the air - is harmless. If you have been in Japan you should know that the country is regularly hit by typhoons and heavy wind/rain that washes the whole country clean ... from any radiation and pollution.

Media trumpet that the radiation inside a Fukushima nuclear power reactor is deadly but all radiation insida any nuclear power reactor is deadly. Don't put your cat in a micro oven to dry it after a bath. You'll kill it.

You sound like a paid shill, Mike. A trouble maker. I have encountered plenty. Go away!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: onebigmonkey on August 07, 2017, 09:37:40 AM

You sound like a paid shill, Mike. A trouble maker. I have encountered plenty. Go away!

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Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 07, 2017, 09:44:16 AM
<snip>

I do not state that radiation is harmless. I state that the level of radiation at Fukushima doesn't add up to dangerous doses, etc, etc, and that the radiation at Fukushima - outside in the air - is harmless. If you have been in Japan you should know that the country is regularly hit by typhoons and heavy wind/rain that washes the whole country clean ... from any radiation and pollution.

Media trumpet that the radiation inside a Fukushima nuclear power reactor is deadly but all radiation insida any nuclear power reactor is deadly. Don't put your cat in a micro oven to dry it after a bath. You'll kill it.

You sound like a paid shill, Mike. A trouble maker. I have encountered plenty. Go away!
That is a blatant lie!  Here is a direct quote from you website you lying sack-o-shit.

Quote
Thus it seems most radiation is harmless and that the only risk is from radioactive fuel rests (ash) that is spread in the environment due to accidents, e.g. at nuclear power plants.

You do say it is harmless.  Not to mention, that whole statement is factually incorrect and I bet you don't even know why.  And, every one of your ionizing radiation definitions are wrong and I’ve proved it.  You’re just a lying conspiracy theorist who will say anything to support his story.  Those definitions and your statement that radiation is harmless has absolutely nothing to do with the exposure levels around Fukashima so why do you have to lie about them?

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 07, 2017, 10:13:20 AM
<snip>

I do not state that radiation is harmless. I state that the level of radiation at Fukushima doesn't add up to dangerous doses, etc, etc, and that the radiation at Fukushima - outside in the air - is harmless. If you have been in Japan you should know that the country is regularly hit by typhoons and heavy wind/rain that washes the whole country clean ... from any radiation and pollution.

Media trumpet that the radiation inside a Fukushima nuclear power reactor is deadly but all radiation insida any nuclear power reactor is deadly. Don't put your cat in a micro oven to dry it after a bath. You'll kill it.

You sound like a paid shill, Mike. A trouble maker. I have encountered plenty. Go away!
That is a blatant lie!  Here is a direct quote from you website you lying sack-o-shit.

Quote
Thus it seems most radiation is harmless and that the only risk is from radioactive fuel rests (ash) that is spread in the environment due to accidents, e.g. at nuclear power plants.

You do say it is harmless.  Not to mention, that whole statement is factually incorrect and I bet you don't even know why.  And, every one of your ionizing radiation definitions are wrong and I’ve proved it.  You’re just a lying conspiracy theorist who will say anything to support his story.  Those definitions and your statement that radiation is harmless has absolutely nothing to do with the exposure levels around Fukashima so why do you have to lie about them?

Mike

Thanks for visiting my website http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm#RAD. The quote above is from:

Quote
... Neutron radiation consists of free neutrons, usually emitted as a result of spontaneous or induced nuclear fission. Water moderates the free neutrons, so they either produce more fission or just die down in the water. In air the free neutrons just fly away and die. Neutron radiation is however also able to turn atoms of other materials radioactive - the neutrons are absorbed by the atoms one way or other - and this is what happens in nuclear power plants. A small fraction of the used nuclear fuel becomes radioactive due to neutron radiation and must be stored somewhere until methods are found to treat it to become harmless. No big deal, in my opinion.

Thus it seems most radiation is harmless and that the only risk is from radioactive fuel rests (ash) that is spread in the environment due to accidents, e.g. at nuclear power plants. This situation is unfortunately used by well paid nuclear scientists that lie about the Hiroshima and Nagasaki incidents to scare everyone about nuclear weapons since 1945. The invisible radiation is dangerous. It may kill you, it is contagious and, if you have been radiated by it, you are a risk to society, bla, bla, bla. I do not trust these 'experts'.

It is just old fashioned governments, racist propaganda spread by main stream media to scare us.

It is a pity that an intelligent people like Japan remains 2017 fooled by the stupid American propaganda since 1945.

Reason is that the Japanese in power and its media like to treat the people like idiots ... and the people are too polite to object. ...

Try to quote me correctly, please.

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 07, 2017, 10:39:28 AM
<snip>

I do not state that radiation is harmless. I state that the level of radiation at Fukushima doesn't add up to dangerous doses, etc, etc, and that the radiation at Fukushima - outside in the air - is harmless. If you have been in Japan you should know that the country is regularly hit by typhoons and heavy wind/rain that washes the whole country clean ... from any radiation and pollution.

Media trumpet that the radiation inside a Fukushima nuclear power reactor is deadly but all radiation insida any nuclear power reactor is deadly. Don't put your cat in a micro oven to dry it after a bath. You'll kill it.

You sound like a paid shill, Mike. A trouble maker. I have encountered plenty. Go away!
That is a blatant lie!  Here is a direct quote from you website you lying sack-o-shit.

Quote
Thus it seems most radiation is harmless and that the only risk is from radioactive fuel rests (ash) that is spread in the environment due to accidents, e.g. at nuclear power plants.

You do say it is harmless.  Not to mention, that whole statement is factually incorrect and I bet you don't even know why.  And, every one of your ionizing radiation definitions are wrong and I’ve proved it.  You’re just a lying conspiracy theorist who will say anything to support his story.  Those definitions and your statement that radiation is harmless has absolutely nothing to do with the exposure levels around Fukashima so why do you have to lie about them?

Mike

Thanks for visiting my website http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm#RAD. The quote above is from:

Quote
... Neutron radiation consists of free neutrons, usually emitted as a result of spontaneous or induced nuclear fission. Water moderates the free neutrons, so they either produce more fission or just die down in the water. In air the free neutrons just fly away and die. Neutron radiation is however also able to turn atoms of other materials radioactive - the neutrons are absorbed by the atoms one way or other - and this is what happens in nuclear power plants. A small fraction of the used nuclear fuel becomes radioactive due to neutron radiation and must be stored somewhere until methods are found to treat it to become harmless. No big deal, in my opinion.

Thus it seems most radiation is harmless and that the only risk is from radioactive fuel rests (ash) that is spread in the environment due to accidents, e.g. at nuclear power plants. This situation is unfortunately used by well paid nuclear scientists that lie about the Hiroshima and Nagasaki incidents to scare everyone about nuclear weapons since 1945. The invisible radiation is dangerous. It may kill you, it is contagious and, if you have been radiated by it, you are a risk to society, bla, bla, bla. I do not trust these 'experts'.

It is just old fashioned governments, racist propaganda spread by main stream media to scare us.

It is a pity that an intelligent people like Japan remains 2017 fooled by the stupid American propaganda since 1945.

Reason is that the Japanese in power and its media like to treat the people like idiots ... and the people are too polite to object. ...

Try to quote me correctly, please.
I did quote you correctly and I quoted the entire section on radiation earlier in this thread but you already know that.  You are just stalling. 

Quote
Thus it seems most radiation is harmless and that the only risk is from radioactive fuel rests (ash) that is spread in the environment due to accidents, e.g. at nuclear power plants. [/u]This situation is unfortunately used by well paid nuclear scientists that lie about the Hiroshima and Nagasaki incidents to scare everyone about nuclear weapons since 1945. The invisible radiation is dangerous. It may kill you, it is contagious and, if you have been radiated by it, you are a risk to society, bla, bla, bla. I do not trust these 'experts'.[/b][/i]

There.  Now I've copied your quote so you can't say I'm not quoting you correctly.  You DO say radiation is harmless and that you don't trust the experts who say otherwise.  That’s why you won’t change it.  You would rather lie to protect the rest of your stupid tin foil hat wearin' conspiracy theories than have an accurate trustworthy website.  It’s the same reason you were even drummed out of the AE911 group by Gage himself.   When they realized just how much of a whack job you really were, they removed you your whole profile and even removed any mention of you being Petitioner of the month from their website.  They didn’t want your bat shit crazy ideas associated with their website. This is also the kind of crap that has gotten you banned from so many other forums.

You don't care about the truth.  You don't give a shit that I and others have posted link after link that proves you wrong.  It’s a good thing nobody reads your site because the information is not only wrong but may be dangerous to anyone who doesn’t know better.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on August 07, 2017, 10:42:28 AM
It’s a good thing nobody reads your site
Mike

Bots and web-crawlers may take exception to being called "nobody".
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 07, 2017, 11:06:43 AM
<snip>

I do not state that radiation is harmless. I state that the level of radiation at Fukushima doesn't add up to dangerous doses, etc, etc, and that the radiation at Fukushima - outside in the air - is harmless. If you have been in Japan you should know that the country is regularly hit by typhoons and heavy wind/rain that washes the whole country clean ... from any radiation and pollution.

Media trumpet that the radiation inside a Fukushima nuclear power reactor is deadly but all radiation insida any nuclear power reactor is deadly. Don't put your cat in a micro oven to dry it after a bath. You'll kill it.

You sound like a paid shill, Mike. A trouble maker. I have encountered plenty. Go away!
That is a blatant lie!  Here is a direct quote from you website you lying sack-o-shit.

Quote
Thus it seems most radiation is harmless and that the only risk is from radioactive fuel rests (ash) that is spread in the environment due to accidents, e.g. at nuclear power plants.

You do say it is harmless.  Not to mention, that whole statement is factually incorrect and I bet you don't even know why.  And, every one of your ionizing radiation definitions are wrong and I’ve proved it.  You’re just a lying conspiracy theorist who will say anything to support his story.  Those definitions and your statement that radiation is harmless has absolutely nothing to do with the exposure levels around Fukashima so why do you have to lie about them?

Mike

Thanks for visiting my website http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm#RAD. The quote above is from:

Quote
... Neutron radiation consists of free neutrons, usually emitted as a result of spontaneous or induced nuclear fission. Water moderates the free neutrons, so they either produce more fission or just die down in the water. In air the free neutrons just fly away and die. Neutron radiation is however also able to turn atoms of other materials radioactive - the neutrons are absorbed by the atoms one way or other - and this is what happens in nuclear power plants. A small fraction of the used nuclear fuel becomes radioactive due to neutron radiation and must be stored somewhere until methods are found to treat it to become harmless. No big deal, in my opinion.

Thus it seems most radiation is harmless and that the only risk is from radioactive fuel rests (ash) that is spread in the environment due to accidents, e.g. at nuclear power plants. This situation is unfortunately used by well paid nuclear scientists that lie about the Hiroshima and Nagasaki incidents to scare everyone about nuclear weapons since 1945. The invisible radiation is dangerous. It may kill you, it is contagious and, if you have been radiated by it, you are a risk to society, bla, bla, bla. I do not trust these 'experts'.

It is just old fashioned governments, racist propaganda spread by main stream media to scare us.

It is a pity that an intelligent people like Japan remains 2017 fooled by the stupid American propaganda since 1945.

Reason is that the Japanese in power and its media like to treat the people like idiots ... and the people are too polite to object. ...

Try to quote me correctly, please.
I did quote you correctly and I quoted the entire section on radiation earlier in this thread but you already know that.  You are just stalling. 

Quote
Thus it seems most radiation is harmless and that the only risk is from radioactive fuel rests (ash) that is spread in the environment due to accidents, e.g. at nuclear power plants. [/u]This situation is unfortunately used by well paid nuclear scientists that lie about the Hiroshima and Nagasaki incidents to scare everyone about nuclear weapons since 1945. The invisible radiation is dangerous. It may kill you, it is contagious and, if you have been radiated by it, you are a risk to society, bla, bla, bla. I do not trust these 'experts'.[/b][/i]

There.  Now I've copied your quote so you can't say I'm not quoting you correctly.  You DO say radiation is harmless and that you don't trust the experts who say otherwise.  That’s why you won’t change it.  You would rather lie to protect the rest of your stupid tin foil hat wearin' conspiracy theories than have an accurate trustworthy website.  It’s the same reason you were even drummed out of the AE911 group by Gage himself.   When they realized just how much of a whack job you really were, they removed you your whole profile and even removed any mention of you being Petitioner of the month from their website.  They didn’t want your bat shit crazy ideas associated with their website. This is also the kind of crap that has gotten you banned from so many other forums.

You don't care about the truth.  You don't give a shit that I and others have posted link after link that proves you wrong.  It’s a good thing nobody reads your site because the information is not only wrong but may be dangerous to anyone who doesn’t know better.

Mike

Can't you read. I write ... 'it seems most radiation is harmless' ... , etc, etc, etc. Try to quote properly.

Re my friend Richard Gage of AE911Truth we are still on good terms and agree on almost everything about structural design and collapses, etc. Gage thinks some crazy Arabs were hi-jacking and flying four planes on 911. I don't. http://heiwaco.com/nist.htm .

Mike, you are a stupid twerp and paid shill with all your nonsense. I feel sorry for you. Go away.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 07, 2017, 11:24:12 AM
Can't you read. I write ... 'it seems most radiation is harmless' ... , etc, etc, etc. Try to quote properly.

Re my friend Richard Gage of AE911Truth we are still on good terms and agree on almost everything about structural design and collapses, etc. Gage thinks some crazy Arabs were hi-jacking and flying four planes on 911. I don't. http://heiwaco.com/nist.htm .

Mike, you are a stupid twerp and paid shill with all your nonsense. I feel sorry for you. Go away.
I can read very well but apparently you can’t .  “seems” is contrary to every link supplied to you so you know that it’s not true and yet, you don’t care.  It’s a stone cold fact that all ionizing radiation is harmful.  Even in low enough doses is causes somatic damage to the body but it can usually repair itself.  Hell, you don't even know that somatic damage is; otherwise your website would be accurate.  Why don’t you care about the truth?

Nobody would pay a shill to discredit you because there’s no need.  Nobody believes your crap.  Nobody reads your site.

Admit it.  You can’t prove your definitions of the types of radiation and you can’t prove radiation is harmless.  You don’t care about accuracy which is why nobody takes you seriously.

Why don't you care about the truth?

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 07, 2017, 01:25:35 PM
Can't you read. I write ... 'it seems most radiation is harmless' ... , etc, etc, etc. Try to quote properly.

Re my friend Richard Gage of AE911Truth we are still on good terms and agree on almost everything about structural design and collapses, etc. Gage thinks some crazy Arabs were hi-jacking and flying four planes on 911. I don't. http://heiwaco.com/nist.htm .

Mike, you are a stupid twerp and paid shill with all your nonsense. I feel sorry for you. Go away.
I can read very well but apparently you can’t .  “seems” is contrary to every link supplied to you so you know that it’s not true and yet, you don’t care.  It’s a stone cold fact that all ionizing radiation is harmful.  Even in low enough doses is causes somatic damage to the body but it can usually repair itself.  Hell, you don't even know that somatic damage is; otherwise your website would be accurate.  Why don’t you care about the truth?

Nobody would pay a shill to discredit you because there’s no need.  Nobody believes your crap.  Nobody reads your site.

Admit it.  You can’t prove your definitions of the types of radiation and you can’t prove radiation is harmless.  You don’t care about accuracy which is why nobody takes you seriously.

Why don't you care about the truth?

Mike

Let's face it! Most radiation is harmless!

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No, ionizing radiation is only harmful to an organism as a whole when its amount gets too high. We are constantly bombarded with very small amounts of ionizing radiation that occur naturally, and we get along just fine with our lives without being seriously harmed by this radiation.

http://wtamu.edu/~cbaird/sq/2015/01/05/is-ionizing-radiation-always-harmful/

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: markjo on August 07, 2017, 01:29:37 PM
Let's face it! Most radiation is harmless!
Which radiation do you consider to be harmful?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on August 07, 2017, 01:30:55 PM
Let's blast him with high intensity gamma rays and let's see if he turns into the hulk or a quivering mass of jelly.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 07, 2017, 01:45:23 PM
Let's face it! Most radiation is harmless!
Which radiation do you consider to be harmful?
Aha, another stupid question from twerp markjo.

Harmful radiation is evidently harmful and not harmful radiation is not harmful. Take sun bathing radiation. Six hours sunbathing between 9-15 hrs without protection is harmful radiation, where I live. Two hours between 10-12 below a parasol is all right. If you go swimming between 10.45 and 11.15 it is quite healthy.
Do you know how to swim? Pls prove it with copies of relevant certificates.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 07, 2017, 03:13:17 PM
Let's face it! Most radiation is harmless!

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No, ionizing radiation is only harmful to an organism as a whole when its amount gets too high. We are constantly bombarded with very small amounts of ionizing radiation that occur naturally, and we get along just fine with our lives without being seriously harmed by this radiation.

http://wtamu.edu/~cbaird/sq/2015/01/05/is-ionizing-radiation-always-harmful/
And you yelled at me for taking you out of context.  Let’s just see what else Dr. Baird has to say shall we.

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When these atoms radioactively decay, they emit ionizing radiation. By its nature of being ionizing, such radiation can damage individual molecules, even at low intensity. But if the amount of ionizing radiation exposure is very low, our bodies can handle a few damaged molecules without any problem, so that there is no net harm done to our bodies.

Gee, this sound suspiciously familiar...where have I read something like this before?

<snip>Even in low enough doses is causes somatic damage to the body but it can usually repair itself. <snip>


What else does Dr. Baird have to say.

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Ionizing radiation is radiation that has enough energy per particle to rip electrons off of atoms and therefore break chemical bonds.
Oh yeah, that sounds harmless...for those that don’t get it *cough-cough-Heiwa* that’s sarcasm.  Exactly what I posted when I corrected your website.

How about another quote from Dr. Baird.

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I The amount of total harm that ionizing radiation can cause a human depends on the total amount of radiation received, which is a function of the intensity of the radiation and the length of time that the person is exposed to the radiation.

Another quote suspiciously like what I’ve posted here...and this one is important.  Let’s see how important in context of your websites description of radiation.

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Ionizing radiation takes different forms according to conventional wisdom 2017: There are alpha, beta, and neutron particles with mass flying around, and gamma and X-rays of pure energy without mass also flying around as radiation. All types of such radiation are caused by unstable atoms, which have either an excess of energy or mass or both. In order to reach a stable state, these atoms must release that extra energy or mass in the form of invisible radiation at various speeds and intensities.

Alpha radiation is just helium atoms with mass that fly away hurting nobody.

Beta radiation is electrons with much less mass that cannot hurt anyone either.

Gamma radiation is photons (like light or sun shine) with no mass at all but which contain energy to heat you up; compare sun burn of your skin. Better hide below a parasol, if you are exposed for hours to it on a sunny beach!

X-rays are similar to gamma radiation but man-made to be used as a medical tool. They only last seconds.

Neutron radiation consists of free neutrons, usually emitted as a result of spontaneous or induced nuclear fission. Water moderates the free neutrons, so they either produce more fission or just die down in the water. In air the free neutrons just fly away and die. Neutron radiation is however also able to turn atoms of other materials radioactive - the neutrons are absorbed by the atoms one way or other - and this is what happens in nuclear power plants. A small fraction of the used nuclear fuel becomes radioactive due to neutron radiation and must be stored somewhere until methods are found to treat it to become harmless. No big deal, in my opinion.

Thus it seems most radiation is harmless and that the only risk is from radioactive fuel rests (ash) that is spread in the environment due to accidents, e.g. at nuclear power plants. This situation is unfortunately used by well paid nuclear scientists that lie about the Hiroshima and Nagasaki incidents to scare everyone about nuclear weapons since 1945. The invisible radiation is dangerous. It may kill you, it is contagious and, if you have been radiated by it, you are a risk to society, bla, bla, bla. I do not trust these 'experts'.

It is just old fashioned governments, racist propaganda spread by main stream media to scare us.

It is a pity that an intelligent people like Japan remains 2017 fooled by the stupid American propaganda since 1945. Reason is that the Japanese in power and its media like to treat the people like idiots ... and the people are too polite to object.

This is nothing like what your link is talking about.  Dr. Baird states that even in very low doses ionizing radiation damages our bodies which are usually able to handle it. 
Let’s compare versions...Yours.

“Alpha radiation is just helium atoms with mass that fly away hurting nobody.

Beta radiation is electrons with much less mass that cannot hurt anyone either.

Gamma radiation is photons (like light or sun shine) with no mass at all but which contain energy to heat you up; compare sun burn of your skin. Better hide below a parasol, if you are exposed for hours to it on a sunny beach!

X-rays are similar to gamma radiation but man-made to be used as a medical tool. They only last seconds.

Neutron radiation consists of free neutrons, usually emitted as a result of spontaneous or induced nuclear fission...
...In air the free neutrons just fly away and die...
...No big deal, in my opinion...”

Dr. Baird’s

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Ionizing radiation is radiation that has enough energy per particle to rip electrons off of atoms and therefore break chemical bonds.

Does your description sound anything like Dr. Baird’s?  No, it doesn’t and again your website is wrong.

The reasons your website is wrong is the worst part about this.  Your descriptions of each type lead the reader to believe these types are never a hazard.  Your descriptions are designed to make the reader think that there is never anything to worry about and you do it this way with the sole purpose of supporting your narrative on Fukashima.  You lie about the description of ionizing radiation followed by a paragraph that tricks the reader into believing that ionizing radiation is harmless and any expert that says otherwise is lying.

In the end, your description of alpha, beta, gamma, and neutron radiation are all factually incorrect even by the website you just linked to prove me wrong.  Fix you descriptions or take it down.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: markjo on August 07, 2017, 03:28:18 PM
Let's face it! Most radiation is harmless!
Which radiation do you consider to be harmful?
Aha, another stupid question from twerp markjo.

Harmful radiation is evidently harmful and not harmful radiation is not harmful.
Circular definition is circular. ::)

Take sun bathing radiation. Six hours sunbathing between 9-15 hrs without protection is harmful radiation, where I live. Two hours between 10-12 below a parasol is all right. If you go swimming between 10.45 and 11.15 it is quite healthy.
Oh, so now you're saying that it's the dosage that makes radiation dangerous.  Well, you're at least partly right there.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on August 07, 2017, 07:08:18 PM
http://www.helpfeedthetroll.com/

Doing gods work guys. Pro-tip Heiwa doesn't actually believe what he posts and is having a good laugh at all of you.

Gotta give you props for your baiting skills Heiwa.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 07, 2017, 09:19:54 PM
Well, it seems there are different opinions what radiation is and its effects on the environment, which I describe at my website. It is thus easy to confuse the public. Facts remain that there is no dangerous radiation today at Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Fukushima and probably wasn't ever.

One thing is clear to me - the famous, military, secret, explosive, FLASH fission lasting nano-seconds doesn't produce any radiation at all. Many people say they saw this enormous FLASH and survived to tell it.

In my opinion they are all lying.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on August 07, 2017, 09:29:13 PM
Well, it seems there are different opinions what radiation is and its effects on the environment, which I describe at my website. It is thus easy to confuse the public. Facts remain that there is no dangerous radiation today at Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Fukushima and probably wasn't ever.

One thing is clear to me - the famous, military, secret, explosive, FLASH fission lasting nano-seconds doesn't produce any radiation at all. Many people say they saw this enormous FLASH and survived to tell it.

In my opinion they are all lying.

Your opinion isn't worth much. Actual evidence would be a lot better. And your website is not evidence of this.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 07, 2017, 09:42:19 PM
Well, it seems there are different opinions what radiation is and its effects on the environment, which I describe at my website. It is thus easy to confuse the public. Facts remain that there is no dangerous radiation today at Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Fukushima and probably wasn't ever.

One thing is clear to me - the famous, military, secret, explosive, FLASH fission lasting nano-seconds doesn't produce any radiation at all. Many people say they saw this enormous FLASH and survived to tell it.

In my opinion they are all lying.

Your opinion isn't worth much. Actual evidence would be a lot better. And your website is not evidence of this.

Well, it seems plenty twerps get upset about my opinions, reasons of which I explain at my popular website under my own name since many years. They are based on facts and critical thinking. People suffering from cognitive dissonance but also government servants and university experts cannot stand my opinions. The world is full of sick people. I always recommend treatment to cure it.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on August 07, 2017, 10:25:06 PM
Well, it seems there are different opinions what radiation is and its effects on the environment, which I describe at my website. It is thus easy to confuse the public. Facts remain that there is no dangerous radiation today at Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Fukushima and probably wasn't ever.

One thing is clear to me - the famous, military, secret, explosive, FLASH fission lasting nano-seconds doesn't produce any radiation at all. Many people say they saw this enormous FLASH and survived to tell it.

In my opinion they are all lying.

Your opinion isn't worth much. Actual evidence would be a lot better. And your website is not evidence of this.

Well, it seems plenty twerps get upset about my opinions, reasons of which I explain at my popular website under my own name since many years. They are based on facts and critical thinking. People suffering from cognitive dissonance but also government servants and university experts cannot stand my opinions. The world is full of sick people. I always recommend treatment to cure it.

They may be based on some cherry picked facts and your best efforts to think critically. I'll give you that much (But that is so very little) What would really help a lot more is some actual supporting evidence
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 08, 2017, 02:55:54 AM
Well, it seems there are different opinions what radiation is and its effects on the environment, which I describe at my website. It is thus easy to confuse the public. Facts remain that there is no dangerous radiation today at Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Fukushima and probably wasn't ever.

One thing is clear to me - the famous, military, secret, explosive, FLASH fission lasting nano-seconds doesn't produce any radiation at all. Many people say they saw this enormous FLASH and survived to tell it.

In my opinion they are all lying.

Your opinion isn't worth much. Actual evidence would be a lot better. And your website is not evidence of this.

Well, it seems plenty twerps get upset about my opinions, reasons of which I explain at my popular website under my own name since many years. They are based on facts and critical thinking. People suffering from cognitive dissonance but also government servants and university experts cannot stand my opinions. The world is full of sick people. I always recommend treatment to cure it.

They may be based on some cherry picked facts and your best efforts to think critically. I'll give you that much (But that is so very little) What would really help a lot more is some actual supporting evidence
Thanks. All my evidence is at my site and on Internet. I know you need certain skills to find, study and understand them, but noone is perfect.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 08, 2017, 03:08:48 AM
Well, it seems there are different opinions what radiation is and its effects on the environment, which I describe at my website. It is thus easy to confuse the public. Facts remain that there is no dangerous radiation today at Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Fukushima and probably wasn't ever.

One thing is clear to me - the famous, military, secret, explosive, FLASH fission lasting nano-seconds doesn't produce any radiation at all. Many people say they saw this enormous FLASH and survived to tell it.

In my opinion they are all lying.
But, you have no factual basis for that opinion.  Only conjecture and interpretation. 

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 08, 2017, 03:27:48 AM
Well, it seems there are different opinions what radiation is and its effects on the environment, which I describe at my website. It is thus easy to confuse the public. Facts remain that there is no dangerous radiation today at Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Fukushima and probably wasn't ever.

One thing is clear to me - the famous, military, secret, explosive, FLASH fission lasting nano-seconds doesn't produce any radiation at all. Many people say they saw this enormous FLASH and survived to tell it.

In my opinion they are all lying.
But, you have no factual basis for that opinion.  Only conjecture and interpretation. 

Mike

No, I have factual basis for my opinion about the famous, military, secret, explosive, FLASH fission lasting nano-seconds that didn't produce any radiation at all 1945.

No radiation was ever recorded anywhere starting with New Mexico and later at Hiroshima and Nagasaki 1945.

It seems the fake a-bomb pilots never witnessed any blinding FLASHes after they dropped their fake bombs. They should have been radiated to death piloting their fake planes.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Pezevenk on August 08, 2017, 07:09:06 AM
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Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: markjo on August 08, 2017, 09:42:45 AM
No radiation was ever recorded anywhere starting with New Mexico and later at Hiroshima and Nagasaki 1945.
Did you personally take any radiation readings at New Mexico, Hiroshima or Nagasaki in 1945?

The Japanese did.
http://www.academia.edu/7501572/The_1945_Radiation_Surveys_of_Hiroshima_Conducted_by_Japanese_Scientists

It seems the fake a-bomb pilots never witnessed any blinding FLASHes after they dropped their fake bombs.
Did you personally ask any of the crew of the planes what they did or didn't see?

They should have been radiated to death piloting their fake planes.
What dosage of what kind of radiation do you think that they should have gotten?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 08, 2017, 10:10:55 AM
No radiation was ever recorded anywhere starting with New Mexico and later at Hiroshima and Nagasaki 1945.
Did you personally take any radiation readings at New Mexico, Hiroshima or Nagasaki in 1945?

The Japanese did.
http://www.academia.edu/7501572/The_1945_Radiation_Surveys_of_Hiroshima_Conducted_by_Japanese_Scientists

It seems the fake a-bomb pilots never witnessed any blinding FLASHes after they dropped their fake bombs.
Did you personally ask any of the crew of the planes what they did or didn't see?

They should have been radiated to death piloting their fake planes.
What dosage of what kind of radiation do you think that they should have gotten?

More stupid questions from my favourite twerp markjo that never replies to my questions at FEF.

I am born 1946, I have visited USA several times 1968 onwards and Japan 1972 onwards, mostly on business. Without geiger meter. I have worked since mid 1960's.

I have met Allied, German, Japanese and neutral soldiers having participated in WW2 and later. I myself is a trained military killer. 

I describe my findings at http://heiwaco.com .

I am/was Navy! I had a smart uniform attracting female attention then.

I have then concluded that, e.g. the US a-bombs attacks on Japan  killing mostly civiilans 1945 were pure propaganda. Many people are very upset about it. They prefer that the yellow monkies were killed as stated by US media.

I just feel sorry for such twerps.



Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Badxtoss on August 08, 2017, 11:18:22 AM
No radiation was ever recorded anywhere starting with New Mexico and later at Hiroshima and Nagasaki 1945.
Did you personally take any radiation readings at New Mexico, Hiroshima or Nagasaki in 1945?

The Japanese did.
http://www.academia.edu/7501572/The_1945_Radiation_Surveys_of_Hiroshima_Conducted_by_Japanese_Scientists

It seems the fake a-bomb pilots never witnessed any blinding FLASHes after they dropped their fake bombs.
Did you personally ask any of the crew of the planes what they did or didn't see?

They should have been radiated to death piloting their fake planes.
What dosage of what kind of radiation do you think that they should have gotten?

More stupid questions from my favourite twerp markjo that never replies to my questions at FEF.

I am born 1946, I have visited USA several times 1968 onwards and Japan 1972 onwards, mostly on business. Without geiger meter. I have worked since mid 1960's.

I have met Allied, German, Japanese and neutral soldiers having participated in WW2 and later. I myself is a trained military killer. 

I describe my findings at http://heiwaco.com .

I am/was Navy! I had a smart uniform attracting female attention then.

I have then concluded that, e.g. the US a-bombs attacks on Japan  killing mostly civiilans 1945 were pure propaganda. Many people are very upset about it. They prefer that the yellow monkies were killed as stated by US media.

I just feel sorry for such twerps.
So that would be a no to all of the above.  In other words you are a liar and an idiot and have no idea what you are talking about.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 09, 2017, 11:21:47 AM
Hey,

as promised, I performed a rough estimate on the mechanics involving a lunar transfer orbit. A more detailed, numerical calculation might follow in the next few days.

Heiwa, this should clear up that it is definitely possible to get to the moon (I admit that the actual orbit around the moon can not be calculated with this method, for this there will be the numerical integrator which might come later) and that you should never boost towards the moon. If you find any errors, please point them out.

Generally I would love if someone double-checked my math, the numbers do make sense but still..

The document can be found at https://www.docdroid.net/nSZ6vXb/moon.pdf.html

Hm, so you are in LEO at 200 000 m altitude with speed 7 788 m/s and then you blast off at a certain time to 10 921 m/s to enter a very elliptic orbit around Earth that touches the orbit of the Moon around Earth. But is the Moon there? And what do you do then?

Sorry, it seems you don't understand my suggestion #1, i.e. that "no spacecraft of any kind can carry enough fuel for any trip anywhere in space and return safely to Earth".

My suggestion #2 is that "you cannot predict the trajectory between Earth and the target in space to ensure that the target is there, when you arrive".  It means that you'll miss the target and continue into Universe.

My suggestion #3 is that "you cannot re-enter and land on the rotating Earth after a trip in space". You cannot find the location at the top of the atmosphere above Earth to start any landing attempt and regardless you cannot brake going through the atmosphere, so you are vaporized.

I explain more at http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm . Very popular! >200 visitors/day. All free! No adverts! Just FUN! It is only rocket science and orbital mechanics. Please do not suggest I lack understanding of them.

This thread should get back on topic! How much fuel is required for humans to travel from Earth to the Moon or from orbit Earth to orbit Moon? People say that NASA did it 1969 but how? My analysis is at http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm#EV2 since many years.

So what was the mass (kg) of Apollo 11 orbiting Earth and how did you get it off the ground?

And how much fuel (kg) was used to get out of orbit?

What force (N) was applied for what time (s) and what was the delta-v?

And what was the mass (kg) of Apollo 11 travelling to the Moon?

And which trajectory was chosen? The straight one, the curved one or the very curved one?

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 09, 2017, 11:24:03 AM
I thought this thread is about everything...

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 09, 2017, 11:28:57 AM
I thought this thread is about everything...

Mike

Initially - February 23 - it was about my alleged lack of understanding in orbital mechanics. It seems noone could clarify it.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: frenat on August 09, 2017, 11:33:02 AM
And then the topic changed because Heiwa demonstrated he had a lack of understanding in everything as well as an obsession with poop.  You'll have to forgive heiwa as the dementia is hitting him hard today
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 09, 2017, 11:46:04 AM
And then the topic changed because Heiwa demonstrated he had a lack of understanding in everything as well as an obsession with poop.  You'll have to forgive heiwa as the dementia is hitting him hard today

Not really. Kami changed topic when he realized that Apollo 11 became full of shit during the trip. Now back to the real topic - orbital mechanics. How to go to the Moon? Forget the stinking details of piss and shit. Only twerps swim in them.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: frenat on August 09, 2017, 11:47:26 AM
And then the topic changed because Heiwa demonstrated he had a lack of understanding in everything as well as an obsession with poop.  You'll have to forgive heiwa as the dementia is hitting him hard today

Not really. Kami changed topic when he realized that Apollo 11 became full of shit during the trip. Now back to the real topic - orbital mechanics. How to go to the Moon? Forget the stinking details of piss and shit. Only twerps swim in them.
Nope.  It is as I said.  That dementia really is hard on you today, isn't it?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on August 09, 2017, 11:50:11 AM
And then the topic changed because Heiwa demonstrated he had a lack of understanding in everything as well as an obsession with poop.  You'll have to forgive heiwa as the dementia is hitting him hard today

Not really. Kami changed topic when he realized that Apollo 11 became full of shit during the trip. Now back to the real topic - orbital mechanics. How to go to the Moon? Forget the stinking details of piss and shit. Only twerps swim in them.
It was established long ago that you don't understand orbital mechanics.

There are too many satellites in orbit that are visible to many armature astronomers...including the ISS.

You're outta gas.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 09, 2017, 11:50:21 AM
And then the topic changed because Heiwa demonstrated he had a lack of understanding in everything as well as an obsession with poop.  You'll have to forgive heiwa as the dementia is hitting him hard today

Not really. Kami changed topic when he realized that Apollo 11 became full of shit during the trip. Now back to the real topic - orbital mechanics. How to go to the Moon? Forget the stinking details of piss and shit. Only twerps swim in them.
Nope.  It is as I said.  That dementia really is hard on you today, isn't it?
No! I am in good shape as usual. How are you?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 09, 2017, 11:54:37 AM
And then the topic changed because Heiwa demonstrated he had a lack of understanding in everything as well as an obsession with poop.  You'll have to forgive heiwa as the dementia is hitting him hard today

Not really. Kami changed topic when he realized that Apollo 11 became full of shit during the trip. Now back to the real topic - orbital mechanics. How to go to the Moon? Forget the stinking details of piss and shit. Only twerps swim in them.
It was established long ago that you don't understand orbital mechanics.

There are too many satellites in orbit that are visible to many armature astronomers...including the ISS.

You're outta gas.

Mike

? But I have seen ISS! I describe at my website. Topic here is how to get out of orbit around Earth to reach an orbit around the Moon. I admit I don't know how to calculate it, so I offer people €1M to explain it. Try to focus on topic.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on August 09, 2017, 12:30:18 PM
And then the topic changed because Heiwa demonstrated he had a lack of understanding in everything as well as an obsession with poop.  You'll have to forgive heiwa as the dementia is hitting him hard today

Not really. Kami changed topic when he realized that Apollo 11 became full of shit during the trip. Now back to the real topic - orbital mechanics. How to go to the Moon? Forget the stinking details of piss and shit. Only twerps swim in them.
It was established long ago that you don't understand orbital mechanics.

There are too many satellites in orbit that are visible to many armature astronomers...including the ISS.

You're outta gas.

Mike

? But I have seen ISS! I describe at my website. Topic here is how to get out of orbit around Earth to reach an orbit around the Moon. I admit I don't know how to calculate it, so I offer people €1M to explain it. Try to focus on topic.
We can launch a vehicle into orbit.  We can accelerate to a higher orbit.  We can move the satellite to a given location and then stop at an exact longitude in geostationary orbit.  We can decelerate ore accelerate that satellite to move to a new orbital slot.  It's a stone cold fact and there's nearly 40 million dishes in the United States pointed at those satellites.

The very fact that we can put a vehicle in orbit and position it where ever we want contradicts most of your website.  Therefore, the 2300+ satellites in orbit is proof that you are wrong.

And, why can't you calculate it.  You're an engineer for God's sake.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on August 09, 2017, 01:08:22 PM
It's my contention that the very fact that there are satellites in orbit is itself proof and therefore invalidates your website.

Mike
Actually, you have to read the fine print, Mike.  Anders believes in unmanned satellites (he claims to own stock in one of the parent companies of ArianeSpace).  It's manned and/or interplanetary space flight with which he has a problem.  He also seems to have a problem with SpaceX landing their Falcon 9 boosters (I guess he doesn't like the competition undercutting ArianeSapce).
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on August 09, 2017, 01:12:50 PM
And then the topic changed because Heiwa demonstrated he had a lack of understanding in everything as well as an obsession with poop.  You'll have to forgive heiwa as the dementia is hitting him hard today

Not really. Kami changed topic when he realized that Apollo 11 became full of shit during the trip. Now back to the real topic - orbital mechanics. How to go to the Moon? Forget the stinking details of piss and shit. Only twerps swim in them.
It was established long ago that you don't understand orbital mechanics.

There are too many satellites in orbit that are visible to many armature astronomers...including the ISS.

You're outta gas.

Mike

? But I have seen ISS! I describe at my website. Topic here is how to get out of orbit around Earth to reach an orbit around the Moon. I admit I don't know how to calculate it, so I offer people €1M to explain it. Try to focus on topic.

But it's not that hard to calculate it, why don't you do the effort yourself? Costs less than 1M$...
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on August 09, 2017, 01:16:44 PM
It's my contention that the very fact that there are satellites in orbit is itself proof and therefore invalidates your website.

Mike
Actually, you have to read the fine print, Mike.  Anders believes in unmanned satellites (he claims to own stock in one of the parent companies of ArianeSpace).  It's manned and/or interplanetary space flight with which he has a problem.  He also seems to have a problem with SpaceX landing their Falcon 9 boosters (I guess he doesn't like the competition undercutting ArianeSapce).
Oh, I know but it's a contradiction that's I'm arguing invalidates his moon-hoax website.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 09, 2017, 01:27:52 PM
And then the topic changed because Heiwa demonstrated he had a lack of understanding in everything as well as an obsession with poop.  You'll have to forgive heiwa as the dementia is hitting him hard today

Not really. Kami changed topic when he realized that Apollo 11 became full of shit during the trip. Now back to the real topic - orbital mechanics. How to go to the Moon? Forget the stinking details of piss and shit. Only twerps swim in them.
It was established long ago that you don't understand orbital mechanics.

There are too many satellites in orbit that are visible to many armature astronomers...including the ISS.

You're outta gas.

Mike

? But I have seen ISS! I describe at my website. Topic here is how to get out of orbit around Earth to reach an orbit around the Moon. I admit I don't know how to calculate it, so I offer people €1M to explain it. Try to focus on topic.
We can launch a vehicle into orbit.  We can accelerate to a higher orbit.  We can move the satellite to a given location and then stop at an exact longitude in geostationary orbit.  We can decelerate ore accelerate that satellite to move to a new orbital slot.  It's a stone cold fact and there's nearly 40 million dishes in the United States pointed at those satellites.

The very fact that we can put a vehicle in orbit and position it where ever we want contradicts most of your website.  Therefore, the 2300+ satellites in orbit is proof that you are wrong.

And, why can't you calculate it.  You're an engineer for God's sake.

Mike

Hm, it is very easy to put a little satellite in one way orbit. Arianespace does it all the time. Problem is to put a manned spacescraft in orbit with three asstronuts + extra fuel aboard that are catapulted to the Moon ... to stop there. Read my link above.
It is not about putting things in orbit.
It is about manned space trips.
Why do you always change topic with nonsense?
Aha! You are a twerp.
Anyway - find anything wrong with http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on August 09, 2017, 01:42:00 PM
And then the topic changed because Heiwa demonstrated he had a lack of understanding in everything as well as an obsession with poop.  You'll have to forgive heiwa as the dementia is hitting him hard today

Not really. Kami changed topic when he realized that Apollo 11 became full of shit during the trip. Now back to the real topic - orbital mechanics. How to go to the Moon? Forget the stinking details of piss and shit. Only twerps swim in them.
It was established long ago that you don't understand orbital mechanics.

There are too many satellites in orbit that are visible to many armature astronomers...including the ISS.

You're outta gas.

Mike

? But I have seen ISS! I describe at my website. Topic here is how to get out of orbit around Earth to reach an orbit around the Moon. I admit I don't know how to calculate it, so I offer people €1M to explain it. Try to focus on topic.
We can launch a vehicle into orbit.  We can accelerate to a higher orbit.  We can move the satellite to a given location and then stop at an exact longitude in geostationary orbit.  We can decelerate ore accelerate that satellite to move to a new orbital slot.  It's a stone cold fact and there's nearly 40 million dishes in the United States pointed at those satellites.

The very fact that we can put a vehicle in orbit and position it where ever we want contradicts most of your website.  Therefore, the 2300+ satellites in orbit is proof that you are wrong.

And, why can't you calculate it.  You're an engineer for God's sake.

Mike

Hm, it is very easy to put a little satellite in one way orbit. Arianespace does it all the time. Problem is to put a manned spacescraft in orbit with three asstronuts + extra fuel aboard that are catapulted to the Moon ... to stop there. Read my link above.
It is not about putting things in orbit.
It is about manned space trips.
Why do you always change topic with nonsense?
Aha! You are a twerp.
Anyway - find anything wrong with http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm
Stop telling me to read your link.  I've read it and it is nonsense.  The mechanics the put a satellite into orbit are the same as a manned craft.

You do realize there are satellites in orbit right now that weigh more than the Apollo Command Module right?  There are a lot of satellites of similar weight to Apollo and quite a few outweigh the Gemini modules.  The Hubble telescope weights more than two Apollo modules. 

Therefore, if it's possible to put these heavier vehicles into orbit and move them around then, logically it means that putting a lighter manned craft in orbit is easier and moving it to a higher orbit or even to the moon is the same level of technology and complexity.

You are an engineer so this should make logical sense to you.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on August 09, 2017, 01:56:21 PM
The words Heiwa and logic should never be used in the same sentence.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 09, 2017, 02:00:49 PM
The words Heiwa and logic should never be used in the same sentence.
Good point...I feel dirty calling him an engineer. ;D
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on August 09, 2017, 02:05:35 PM
Calling Heiwa an engineer is like calling Carrot Top a  good comedian.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on August 09, 2017, 06:03:14 PM
Or a good president!  ;D

Oh, different Carrot Top. My mistake
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 09, 2017, 08:53:28 PM


You do realize there are satellites in orbit right now that weigh more than the Apollo Command Module right?  There are a lot of satellites of similar weight to Apollo and quite a few outweigh the Gemini modules.  The Hubble telescope weights more than two Apollo modules. 

Therefore, if it's possible to put these heavier vehicles into orbit and move them around then, logically it means that putting a lighter manned craft in orbit is easier and moving it to a higher orbit or even to the moon is the same level of technology and complexity.

You are an engineer so this should make logical sense to you.

Mike

Hm, why do you repeat what I say at my website? Of course satellites exist. But manned spacecrafts - topic? Where you must change speeds/courses all the times by applying forces at the right times/locations/directions requiring fuel.
Then it becomes very complicated. Actually it becomes impossible. You cannot carry the fuel with you. You get too heavy. And cannot calculate your variable speeds/directions trajectories.

You haven't won my €1M Challenge, Mike! You are a loser!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on August 09, 2017, 08:58:07 PM
I won.

Noone has won my Challenge so far.

Incorrect.

You owe me €1 000 000 remember.

Quote from: Heiwa
""Show how any building can collapse from the top down.""

Sure no chance of a verinage demo working on wtc 1 and 2  because of the core structure and wtc 7 was demonstrably visually not a verinage demolition.



http://www.ebaumsworld.com/videos/demolition-using-the-verinage-technique/82601161/

Also granted the collapse initiation of wtc 1 and 2 was a verinage type. They cut beams (pic related) and possibly used hydraulics. However as you correctly state this would not cause the whole collapse of either wtc 1 or 2.

(https://s28.postimg.org/8pl5juzfh/molten-metal-pouring.jpg)

Quote from: Heiwa
""Show how any building can collapse from the top down.""

Let me know how you will transfer the funds. You are the worst type of disinfo.

>muh cgi.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on August 09, 2017, 08:58:52 PM


You do realize there are satellites in orbit right now that weigh more than the Apollo Command Module right?  There are a lot of satellites of similar weight to Apollo and quite a few outweigh the Gemini modules.  The Hubble telescope weights more than two Apollo modules. 

Therefore, if it's possible to put these heavier vehicles into orbit and move them around then, logically it means that putting a lighter manned craft in orbit is easier and moving it to a higher orbit or even to the moon is the same level of technology and complexity.

You are an engineer so this should make logical sense to you.

Mike

Hm, why do you repeat what I say at my website? Of course satellites exist. But manned spacecrafts - topic? Where you must change speeds/courses all the times by applying forces at the right times/locations/directions requiring fuel.
Then it becomes very complicated. Actually it becomes impossible. You cannot carry the fuel with you. You get too heavy. And cannot calculate your variable speeds/directions trajectories.

You haven't won my €1M Challenge, Mike! You are a loser!

You haven't won my €1M Challenge, Heiwa! You are a loser!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 09, 2017, 09:08:57 PM


You haven't won my €1M Challenge, Heiwa! You are a loser!

No! Your Challenge does not exist like mine - http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm . You are just a troll.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on August 09, 2017, 09:11:43 PM


You haven't won my €1M Challenge, Heiwa! You are a loser!

No! Your Challenge does not exist like mine - You are just a troll.

My challenge exists almost exactly like yours. And you lost again!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on August 09, 2017, 09:18:50 PM
I won your challenge, Heiwa, don't ignore it.

You are just a troll.

So stop feeding them and pay me.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 09, 2017, 09:30:09 PM
I won your challenge, Heiwa, don't ignore it.

You are just a troll.

So stop feeding them and pay me.

Just provide your full style and we can discuss.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on August 10, 2017, 01:17:59 AM
I won your challenge, Heiwa, don't ignore it.

You are just a troll.

So stop feeding them and pay me.

Just provide your full style and we can discuss.

PM me your email and I'll provide proof of who I am. For clarity, wtc 1 and 2 could have never collapsed from the top down like they did without explosive demolition. However your challenge doesn't stipulate wtc 1 or 2, just "a structure" as I have cited it's called Verinage and it happens all the time.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 10, 2017, 01:30:46 AM
I won your challenge, Heiwa, don't ignore it.

You are just a troll.

So stop feeding them and pay me.

Just provide your full style and we can discuss.

PM me your email and I'll provide proof of who I am. For clarity, wtc 1 and 2 could have never collapsed from the top down like they did without explosive demolition. However your challenge doesn't stipulate wtc 1 or 2, just "a structure" as I have cited it's called Verinage and it happens all the time.

But my full style is mentioned in the Challenge rules at htt://heiwaco.com/chall1.htm since March 2010. The rules are crystal clear:

Quote
The Anders Björkman Challenge 1
(March 2010)

Conditions:

1. The structure volume is supposed to have a certain uniform cross area (meter²) and height h (meter) and is fixed on the ground. The structure consists of an assembly of various connected elements inside the volume, e.g. columns (wall elements), beams (floor elements), brackets (to connect columns and beams), plates, etc, of any type or material joined together. It can be any size! The structure volume contains mostly air, of course. It can but need not look like the structure left (developed by NASA engineer Mackey)! It is VERY simple; 111 units of a horizontal beam/platform with mass m supported by/connected to two (or four ?) pillars (total 3 or 5 elements per unit) stacked/joined on top of each other (+ a mast on top). It looks like WTC1!! It also looks like a house of cards but note that the horizontal and vertical elements are connected with solid joints, so use weak supporting, vertical elements of fragile material (and more solid, heavy horizontal ones).

2. The structure should be more or less identical from height = 0 (ground) to height = H (top), e.g. uniform density, layout of internal elements, weights and joints, etc. Horizontal elements in structure should be identical. Vertical, load carrying elements should be similar and be uniformly stressed due to gravity, i.e. bottom vertical elements should be reinforced or made a little stronger, as required. Connections between similar elements should be similar throughout. In example left H = 111 h, where h is height of one unit.

3. The structure should be uniformly stressed at height=0 and height = H. It means that supporting elements are stronger at height=0.

4. Before drop test (see 8.) the structure shall be stable, i.e. carry itself and withstand a small lateral impact at top without falling apart and to deflect elastically sideways less than H/100 at the top. Connections or joints between elements cannot rely solely on friction.

5. Before drop test top 1/10th of the structure is disconnected at the top at height = 0.9 H without damaging the structure/elements/joints more than required for disconnection.

6. The lower structure, 0.9 H high is then called part A. The top part, 0.1 H high, is called part C.

7. Mass of part C should be <1/9th of mass of part A.

8. Now drop part C on part A and crush bottom part A of structure into smaller pieces by top part C of the structure (if you can! That's the test). Film the test on video!

9. Drop height of part C above part A is max 3.7 meter. Less drop height is permitted. Thus the maximum energy (Joule) applied at collision C/A to initiate the crush-down progressive collapse is mass of C times gravity acceleration 9.82 m/sec² (i.e. the force acting on C) times height 3.7 m (i.e. distance the force is displaced).

10. Structure is only considered crushed, when >70% of the elements in part A are disconnected from each other at the joints or broken between joints after test, i.e. drop by part C on A from 3.7 m. Try to use elements and/or joints not producing smoke/dust at failures, so we can see the crush down action and failures of elements/joints on video. If all supporting, vertical elements are broken in part A of structure left, then 66.66% of all elements are broken, etc, etc.

Have a try! I look forward to your structures and videos!

Once you have a clear idea of how the structure should fall, it's time to prepare the structure. The first step in preparation is to clear any loose items out of the structure. The second step is to remove all non-load-bearing elements within the structure. This makes for a cleaner break of elements and joints at every level. If these elements were left intact, they would stiffen the structure, hindering its collapse. You should also weaken the supporting elements and their joints, so that they give way more easily.

 

The first person describing a structure fulfilling conditions 1-10 above and doing a successful drop test wins Euro 1 000 000:-.

Terrorists, Holocaust deniers (and demolition companies) are also welcome to participate in order to confirm their actions/ideas/services!

Send your entry (description of structure + verified result of test/video) to Anders Björkman, 6 rue Victor Hugo, F 06 240 Beausoleil, France, anders.bjorkman@wanadoo.fr
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on August 10, 2017, 01:39:55 AM
This building.



1/10 of a building crushing 9/10ths of a building is an absolute joke, I agree.

If you're gonna enforce the 1/10th the size and mass rule I concede it's impossible.

No honest person thinks that a part of a building 1/10 the size and 1/10 the mass can crush the other 9/10ths.

Fairy nuff then. Riddle me this, why do you belive that the towers collapse was cgi?

We use a verinage collapse initiation and then destroy the core with timed explosives. (Pic related)

(https://s28.postimg.org/d7021scm5/Squibs.jpg)

It could easily be done with explosives.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 10, 2017, 01:49:28 AM
This building.



1/10 of a building crushing 9/10ths of a building is an absolute joke, I agree.

If you're gonna enforce the 1/10th the size and mass rule I concede it's impossible.

No honest person thinks that a part of a building 1/10 the size and 1/10 the mass can crush the other 9/10ths.

Fairy nuff then. Riddle me this, why do you belive that the towers collapse was cgi?

We use a verinage collapse initiation and then destroy the core with timed explosives. (Pic related)

(https://s28.postimg.org/d7021scm5/Squibs.jpg)

It could easily be done with explosives.

Thanks for agreeing that vérinage does not win my Challenge about structural collapses.

Re the footage of the WTC top down destructions/dustifications shown live on TV it was all CGI. CGI is very simple. Explosives are very complicated.

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 10, 2017, 02:26:09 AM
This building.



1/10 of a building crushing 9/10ths of a building is an absolute joke, I agree.

If you're gonna enforce the 1/10th the size and mass rule I concede it's impossible.

No honest person thinks that a part of a building 1/10 the size and 1/10 the mass can crush the other 9/10ths.

Fairy nuff then. Riddle me this, why do you belive that the towers collapse was cgi?

We use a verinage collapse initiation and then destroy the core with timed explosives. (Pic related)

(https://s28.postimg.org/d7021scm5/Squibs.jpg)

It could easily be done with explosives.

I don't think those are evidence of controlled demo.  They're too localized and unlikely to provide enough weakening to be effective.  However, I do think there is a lot unexplained.  Especially in relation to WTC-7.  The FEA is a joke.

Heiwa's real bone headed contentions lie in saying there were no planes and nobody in the buildings.  The planes took off with passengers.  Where are they and where are all the people that died?  If you're gonna say they didn't crash into the towers then you have to show where they are.  Otherwise it's just a unfounded crackpot notion.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 10, 2017, 03:28:37 AM
This building.



1/10 of a building crushing 9/10ths of a building is an absolute joke, I agree.

If you're gonna enforce the 1/10th the size and mass rule I concede it's impossible.

No honest person thinks that a part of a building 1/10 the size and 1/10 the mass can crush the other 9/10ths.

Fairy nuff then. Riddle me this, why do you belive that the towers collapse was cgi?

We use a verinage collapse initiation and then destroy the core with timed explosives. (Pic related)

(https://s28.postimg.org/d7021scm5/Squibs.jpg)

It could easily be done with explosives.

I don't think those are evidence of controlled demo.  They're too localized and unlikely to provide enough weakening to be effective.  However, I do think there is a lot unexplained.  Especially in relation to WTC-7.  The FEA is a joke.

Heiwa's real bone headed contentions lie in saying there were no planes and nobody in the buildings.  The planes took off with passengers.  Where are they and where are all the people that died?  If you're gonna say they didn't crash into the towers then you have to show where they are.  Otherwise it's just a unfounded crackpot notion.

Mike

Finally a fairly intelligent post by MicroBeta/Mike in this thread about my lack in understanding things. FEA is Finite Elements Analysis and US experts of doubtful reputation - criminals, terrorists! - say it can be used to explain how tops C of structures were crushing bottoms A of same structure into dust on 911. Only terrorists suggest it. It seems Mike agrees with me that the US experts faked the FEA.

But then Mike lowers his pants and shows how ugly he is. He suggests that four planes took off with passengers incl. 19 Arabs on 911, all of which later crashed with everyone aboard dying. There is no evidence for it.

No evidence?

Yes, no evidence! 

Of course passports of some Arabs were magically found in the rubble but it was part of the show.

It was a great show. 

Hollywood!

But they had to fake the FEA. My speciality.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 10, 2017, 03:51:03 AM
This building.



1/10 of a building crushing 9/10ths of a building is an absolute joke, I agree.

If you're gonna enforce the 1/10th the size and mass rule I concede it's impossible.

No honest person thinks that a part of a building 1/10 the size and 1/10 the mass can crush the other 9/10ths.

Fairy nuff then. Riddle me this, why do you belive that the towers collapse was cgi?

We use a verinage collapse initiation and then destroy the core with timed explosives. (Pic related)

(https://s28.postimg.org/d7021scm5/Squibs.jpg)

It could easily be done with explosives.

I don't think those are evidence of controlled demo.  They're too localized and unlikely to provide enough weakening to be effective.  However, I do think there is a lot unexplained.  Especially in relation to WTC-7.  The FEA is a joke.

Heiwa's real bone headed contentions lie in saying there were no planes and nobody in the buildings.  The planes took off with passengers.  Where are they and where are all the people that died?  If you're gonna say they didn't crash into the towers then you have to show where they are.  Otherwise it's just a unfounded crackpot notion.

Mike

Finally a fairly intelligent post by MicroBeta/Mike in this thread about my lack in understanding things. FEA is Finite Elements Analysis and US experts of doubtful reputation - criminals, terrorists! - say it can be used to explain how tops C of structures were crushing bottoms A of same structure into dust on 911. Only terrorists suggest it. It seems Mike agrees with me that the US experts faked the FEA.

But then Mike lowers his pants and shows how ugly he is. He suggests that four planes took off with passengers incl. 19 Arabs on 911, all of which later crashed with everyone aboard dying. There is no evidence for it.

No evidence?

Yes, no evidence! 

Of course passports of some Arabs were magically found in the rubble but it was part of the show.

It was a great show. 

Hollywood!

But they had to fake the FEA. My speciality.
Where are the planes, the passengers, and the people who died in the towers?  You say that didn't happened so where did they go.  You're the one suggesting it didn't happen. 

Where are all those people?

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on August 10, 2017, 04:13:28 AM
This building.



1/10 of a building crushing 9/10ths of a building is an absolute joke, I agree.

If you're gonna enforce the 1/10th the size and mass rule I concede it's impossible.

No honest person thinks that a part of a building 1/10 the size and 1/10 the mass can crush the other 9/10ths.

Fairy nuff then. Riddle me this, why do you belive that the towers collapse was cgi?

We use a verinage collapse initiation and then destroy the core with timed explosives. (Pic related)

(https://s28.postimg.org/d7021scm5/Squibs.jpg)

It could easily be done with explosives.

I don't think those are evidence of controlled demo.  They're too localized and unlikely to provide enough weakening to be effective.  However, I do think there is a lot unexplained.  Especially in relation to WTC-7.  The FEA is a joke.

Heiwa's real bone headed contentions lie in saying there were no planes and nobody in the buildings.  The planes took off with passengers.  Where are they and where are all the people that died?  If you're gonna say they didn't crash into the towers then you have to show where they are.  Otherwise it's just a unfounded crackpot notion.

Mike

Hey thanks man I respect that. They are localized, they're called squibs, these small explosions (ejections if you don't like the term) are not caused by the explosives destroying the core structure in my opinion just evidence of explosives, most of the core was destroyed before the collapse.

http://www.sharpprintinginc.com/911/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=280&MMN_position=541:541
This is really well researched you should check it out.

It also pisses me off when he says the whole thing was cgi. I've spoken to plenty of people in new york at the time and the towers definitely collapsed. It's pretty much indisputable, thats why I don't trust Heiwa.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on August 10, 2017, 04:23:25 AM
Also Professor Leroy Hulsey and his PhD research team are doing a open and honest FEA right now.

http://www.wtc7evaluation.org/

It's nearly due for release and all the inputs will be released publicly, unlike the NIST FEA which still remain unavailable by FOI request.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 10, 2017, 04:52:53 AM
Also Professor Leroy Hulsey and his PhD research team are doing a open and honest FEA right now.

http://www.wtc7evaluation.org/

It's nearly due for release and all the inputs will be released publicly, unlike the NIST FEA which still remain unavailable by FOI request.

Many years ago I analysed the WTC7 collapse: http://heiwaco.com/nist7.htm .

To do a proper WTC7 collapse/damage analysis you have to do >10 000 FEAs starting with the intact structure with the first failure, then redo the FEA of the damaged, one failure structure with modified loads to find the second failure, then do a new FEA of the loaded structure with two failures to find the third failure, etc, etc.

In this case you will find that the collapse stops by itself after a few failures. It is called redundancy. There are some local failures, sagging, loads transmitted to intact members and ... no collapse!


Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 10, 2017, 04:59:00 AM
This building.



1/10 of a building crushing 9/10ths of a building is an absolute joke, I agree.

If you're gonna enforce the 1/10th the size and mass rule I concede it's impossible.

No honest person thinks that a part of a building 1/10 the size and 1/10 the mass can crush the other 9/10ths.

Fairy nuff then. Riddle me this, why do you belive that the towers collapse was cgi?

We use a verinage collapse initiation and then destroy the core with timed explosives. (Pic related)

(https://s28.postimg.org/d7021scm5/Squibs.jpg)

It could easily be done with explosives.

I don't think those are evidence of controlled demo.  They're too localized and unlikely to provide enough weakening to be effective.  However, I do think there is a lot unexplained.  Especially in relation to WTC-7.  The FEA is a joke.

Heiwa's real bone headed contentions lie in saying there were no planes and nobody in the buildings.  The planes took off with passengers.  Where are they and where are all the people that died?  If you're gonna say they didn't crash into the towers then you have to show where they are.  Otherwise it's just a unfounded crackpot notion.

Mike

Hey thanks man I respect that. They are localized, they're called squibs, these small explosions (ejections if you don't like the term) are not caused by the explosives destroying the core structure in my opinion just evidence of explosives, most of the core was destroyed before the collapse.

http://www.sharpprintinginc.com/911/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=280&MMN_position=541:541
This is really well researched you should check it out.

It also pisses me off when he says the whole thing was cgi. I've spoken to plenty of people in new york at the time and the towers definitely collapsed. It's pretty much indisputable, thats why I don't trust Heiwa.
I’m from the North Jersey area.  My brother saw the second plane come in and I have a few friends who saw it too.  It came in from the SSW and flew over the city my brother was living in at the time.  He saw it go right over the harbor into the South Tower.  I’d like to see Heiwa explain that one. 

My brother-in-law is a firefighter in Jersey.  He, like so many others spent a lot of time at ground zero.  If they were off duty, they were there.

I’d like to see Heiwa go into any firehouse on the island and tell them there were no planes and nobody died...let’s see how that works out for him.

I’m an engineer so I can’t deny the contradictions in the reports and testimony.  I have no doubts it was terrorists but it’s likely there were more involved than just in the planes.  They tried to bring the towers down in ’93 and failed.  It’s possible they learned from that.  It’s possible there were some pre-staged materials to aid in bringing down the towers...thermite maybe.  It would also explain how the fires brought down 7.  Once the towers came down and fires spread to start some thermite reactions in building 7 it subsequently came down.  It would explain how it came down without any of the explosions you typically see in a controlled collapse.  But, it all hinged on the planes and their fuel to start things off.  It’s all conjecture and will never be proven but hey, it’s a theory

In the end the government realized they had all the pieces to prevent this and there was more going on that they just plain missed.  If there’s anything being covered up it’s their won incompetence and the fact they could have stopped it.

I do want to be clear.  I don’t believe there’s some grand conspiracy by our government.  They didn’t do this and it was certainly a terrorist act.  There’s no motive and it gains them nothing to kill their own citizens. 

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 10, 2017, 05:25:03 AM

I’m from the North Jersey area.  My brother saw the second plane come in and I have a few friends who saw it too.  It came in from the SSW and flew over the city my brother was living in at the time.  He saw it go right over the harbor into the South Tower.  I’d like to see Heiwa explain that one. 

My brother-in-law is a firefighter in Jersey.  He, like so many others spent a lot of time at ground zero.  If they were off duty, they were there.

I’d like to see Heiwa go into any firehouse on the island and tell them there were no planes and nobody died...let’s see how that works out for him.

I’m an engineer so I can’t deny the contradictions in the reports and testimony.  I have no doubts it was terrorists but it’s likely there were more involved than just in the planes.  They tried to bring the towers down in ’93 and failed.  It’s possible they learned from that.  It’s possible there were some pre-staged materials to aid in bringing down the towers...thermite maybe.  It would also explain how the fires brought down 7.  Once the towers came down and fires spread to start some thermite reactions in building 7 it subsequently came down.  It would explain how it came down without any of the explosions you typically see in a controlled collapse.  But, it all hinged on the planes and their fuel to start things off.  It’s all conjecture and will never be proven but hey, it’s a theory

In the end the government realized they had all the pieces to prevent this and there was more going on that they just plain missed.  If there’s anything being covered up it’s their won incompetence and the fact they could have stopped it.

I do want to be clear.  I don’t believe there’s some grand conspiracy by our government.  They didn’t do this and it was certainly a terrorist act.  There’s no motive and it gains them nothing to kill their own citizens. 

Mike

I think you are lying, Mike, about everything ... incl. arabs, planes, their fuel to start things off ... a theory.
But of course - you are a twerp. Explains everything.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 10, 2017, 05:41:52 AM

I’m from the North Jersey area.  My brother saw the second plane come in and I have a few friends who saw it too.  It came in from the SSW and flew over the city my brother was living in at the time.  He saw it go right over the harbor into the South Tower.  I’d like to see Heiwa explain that one. 

My brother-in-law is a firefighter in Jersey.  He, like so many others spent a lot of time at ground zero.  If they were off duty, they were there.

I’d like to see Heiwa go into any firehouse on the island and tell them there were no planes and nobody died...let’s see how that works out for him.

I’m an engineer so I can’t deny the contradictions in the reports and testimony.  I have no doubts it was terrorists but it’s likely there were more involved than just in the planes.  They tried to bring the towers down in ’93 and failed.  It’s possible they learned from that.  It’s possible there were some pre-staged materials to aid in bringing down the towers...thermite maybe.  It would also explain how the fires brought down 7.  Once the towers came down and fires spread to start some thermite reactions in building 7 it subsequently came down.  It would explain how it came down without any of the explosions you typically see in a controlled collapse.  But, it all hinged on the planes and their fuel to start things off.  It’s all conjecture and will never be proven but hey, it’s a theory

In the end the government realized they had all the pieces to prevent this and there was more going on that they just plain missed.  If there’s anything being covered up it’s their won incompetence and the fact they could have stopped it.

I do want to be clear.  I don’t believe there’s some grand conspiracy by our government.  They didn’t do this and it was certainly a terrorist act.  There’s no motive and it gains them nothing to kill their own citizens. 

Mike

I think you are lying, Mike, about everything ... incl. arabs, planes, their fuel to start things off ... a theory.
But of course - you are a twerp. Explains everything.
Of course you do because it's a direct contradiction to your no plane theory. Face it.  You're a hack conspiracy nut job. Your website is full of bat shit crazy, unprovable assumptions. It is why you've been banned from so many other forums and your membership in AE911 group was revoked.

It's a good thing nobody reads you baseless crap.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on August 10, 2017, 07:35:12 AM
Didn't read the thread, but did dispute team up with heiwa in here?
That would be hilarious!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 10, 2017, 07:38:41 AM
Didn't read the thread, but did dispute team up with heiwa in here?
That would be hilarious!

Just click on post #1 and you will see what it is all about. Kami had got a brilliant idea how to travel to the Moon by applying a force to his spacecraft orbiting Earth and ... after a while the spacecraft arrived at the Moon.

I politely informed that to create a force to go to the Moon from orbit around Earth you needed fuel in that orbit and ... there is no rocket strong enough to lift that fuel off the ground.

Plenty twerps disagreed but none could produce any reliable info how to go to the Moon. Then they decided it was all my fault.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on August 10, 2017, 09:05:15 AM
Didn't read the thread, but did dispute team up with heiwa in here?
That would be hilarious!

Just click on post #1 and you will see what it is all about. Kami had got a brilliant idea how to travel to the Moon by applying a force to his spacecraft orbiting Earth and ... after a while the spacecraft arrived at the Moon.

I politely informed that to create a force to go to the Moon from orbit around Earth you needed fuel in that orbit and ... there is no rocket strong enough to lift that fuel off the ground.

Plenty twerps disagreed but none could produce any reliable info how to go to the Moon. Then they decided it was all my fault.
You're a liar.  Your have been shown multiple times how much fuel and what rockets and how to calculate the path.  But you are a delusional moron and refuse to see the facts.
Why do you lie so much?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on August 10, 2017, 11:07:39 AM
I politely informed that to create a force to go to the Moon from orbit around Earth you needed fuel in that orbit and ... there is no rocket strong enough to lift that fuel off the ground.
ITT: Anders believes that a rocket's payload can include anything except fuel (and toilets).
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Crouton on August 10, 2017, 11:18:15 AM
But of course - you are a twerp. Explains everything.

Might I suggest expanding your repertoire of Depression Era insults?  Here are some outdated jibes that I feel may be to your liking;

Chowder Head.
Fribble.
Milksop.
Nincompoop.
Shabbaroon.
Stingbum.
Bodolyne.
Roiderbanks.
Smell-Feast.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 10, 2017, 01:56:07 PM
But of course - you are a twerp. Explains everything.

Might I suggest expanding your repertoire of Depression Era insults?  Here are some outdated jibes that I feel may be to your liking;

Chowder Head.
Fribble.
Milksop.
Nincompoop.
Shabbaroon.
Stingbum.
Bodolyne.
Roiderbanks.
Smell-Feast.

I prefer 'twerp'! Short and distinct. Contemptible person and silly fool are too long.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Pezevenk on August 10, 2017, 02:01:57 PM
But of course - you are a twerp. Explains everything.

Might I suggest expanding your repertoire of Depression Era insults?  Here are some outdated jibes that I feel may be to your liking;

Chowder Head.
Fribble.
Milksop.
Nincompoop.
Shabbaroon.
Stingbum.
Bodolyne.
Roiderbanks.
Smell-Feast.

Curmudgeon.

Oh wait, that's used exclusively for him.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 10, 2017, 02:04:03 PM
But of course - you are a twerp. Explains everything.

Might I suggest expanding your repertoire of Depression Era insults?  Here are some outdated jibes that I feel may be to your liking;

Chowder Head.
Fribble.
Milksop.
Nincompoop.
Shabbaroon.
Stingbum.
Bodolyne.
Roiderbanks.
Smell-Feast.

Curmudgeon.

Oh wait, that's used exclusively for him.

I prefer calling a twirp a twerp.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Pezevenk on August 10, 2017, 02:43:42 PM
But of course - you are a twerp. Explains everything.

Might I suggest expanding your repertoire of Depression Era insults?  Here are some outdated jibes that I feel may be to your liking;

Chowder Head.
Fribble.
Milksop.
Nincompoop.
Shabbaroon.
Stingbum.
Bodolyne.
Roiderbanks.
Smell-Feast.

Curmudgeon.

Oh wait, that's used exclusively for him.

I prefer calling a twirp a twerp.

Spoken like a true curmudgeon.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 10, 2017, 03:18:43 PM

I’m from the North Jersey area.  My brother saw the second plane come in and I have a few friends who saw it too.  It came in from the SSW and flew over the city my brother was living in at the time.  He saw it go right over the harbor into the South Tower.  I’d like to see Heiwa explain that one. 

My brother-in-law is a firefighter in Jersey.  He, like so many others spent a lot of time at ground zero.  If they were off duty, they were there.

I’d like to see Heiwa go into any firehouse on the island and tell them there were no planes and nobody died...let’s see how that works out for him.

I’m an engineer so I can’t deny the contradictions in the reports and testimony.  I have no doubts it was terrorists but it’s likely there were more involved than just in the planes.  They tried to bring the towers down in ’93 and failed.  It’s possible they learned from that.  It’s possible there were some pre-staged materials to aid in bringing down the towers...thermite maybe.  It would also explain how the fires brought down 7.  Once the towers came down and fires spread to start some thermite reactions in building 7 it subsequently came down.  It would explain how it came down without any of the explosions you typically see in a controlled collapse.  But, it all hinged on the planes and their fuel to start things off.  It’s all conjecture and will never be proven but hey, it’s a theory

In the end the government realized they had all the pieces to prevent this and there was more going on that they just plain missed.  If there’s anything being covered up it’s their won incompetence and the fact they could have stopped it.

I do want to be clear.  I don’t believe there’s some grand conspiracy by our government.  They didn’t do this and it was certainly a terrorist act.  There’s no motive and it gains them nothing to kill their own citizens. 

Mike

I think you are lying, Mike, about everything ... incl. arabs, planes, their fuel to start things off ... a theory.
But of course - you are a twerp. Explains everything.
Additionally, my brother wasn't the only one who saw the plane fly over the harbor into the south tower.  Here is the fact you want to go away.  There were hundreds of thousands of people who say that plane, not just hit the tower, but fly in over the harbor from Jersey.  You can't wish it away just because you want it to.

http://www.911conspiracy.tv/2nd_hit_photos.html

Say what you want but you don't have any business saying there are no planes.  No documents, no witnesses, no interviews of anyone who was there, no nothing.  I know people who were there who would literally kick your ass if you said there were no planes and nobody died.

Answer this question.  Where are the planes and passengers?  They took off and never landed at their destinations.  Where are the people?

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: disputeone on August 10, 2017, 06:48:27 PM
Also Professor Leroy Hulsey and his PhD research team are doing a open and honest FEA right now.

http://www.wtc7evaluation.org/

It's nearly due for release and all the inputs will be released publicly, unlike the NIST FEA which still remain unavailable by FOI request.

Many years ago I analysed the WTC7 collapse: http://heiwaco.com/nist7.htm .

To do a proper WTC7 collapse/damage analysis you have to do >10 000 FEAs starting with the intact structure with the first failure, then redo the FEA of the damaged, one failure structure with modified loads to find the second failure, then do a new FEA of the loaded structure with two failures to find the third failure, etc, etc.

In this case you will find that the collapse stops by itself after a few failures. It is called redundancy. There are some local failures, sagging, loads transmitted to intact members and ... no collapse!

We have its cost us hundreds of thousands of dollars and years of time.

You should look into it. Might change your mind that it was "all cgi"
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 10, 2017, 07:44:58 PM

I’m from the North Jersey area.  My brother saw the second plane come in and I have a few friends who saw it too.  It came in from the SSW and flew over the city my brother was living in at the time.  He saw it go right over the harbor into the South Tower.  I’d like to see Heiwa explain that one. 

My brother-in-law is a firefighter in Jersey.  He, like so many others spent a lot of time at ground zero.  If they were off duty, they were there.

I’d like to see Heiwa go into any firehouse on the island and tell them there were no planes and nobody died...let’s see how that works out for him.

I’m an engineer so I can’t deny the contradictions in the reports and testimony.  I have no doubts it was terrorists but it’s likely there were more involved than just in the planes.  They tried to bring the towers down in ’93 and failed.  It’s possible they learned from that.  It’s possible there were some pre-staged materials to aid in bringing down the towers...thermite maybe.  It would also explain how the fires brought down 7.  Once the towers came down and fires spread to start some thermite reactions in building 7 it subsequently came down.  It would explain how it came down without any of the explosions you typically see in a controlled collapse.  But, it all hinged on the planes and their fuel to start things off.  It’s all conjecture and will never be proven but hey, it’s a theory

In the end the government realized they had all the pieces to prevent this and there was more going on that they just plain missed.  If there’s anything being covered up it’s their won incompetence and the fact they could have stopped it.

I do want to be clear.  I don’t believe there’s some grand conspiracy by our government.  They didn’t do this and it was certainly a terrorist act.  There’s no motive and it gains them nothing to kill their own citizens. 

Mike

I think you are lying, Mike, about everything ... incl. arabs, planes, their fuel to start things off ... a theory.
But of course - you are a twerp. Explains everything.
Additionally, my brother wasn't the only one who saw the plane fly over the harbor into the south tower.  Here is the fact you want to go away.  There were hundreds of thousands of people who say that plane, not just hit the tower, but fly in over the harbor from Jersey.  You can't wish it away just because you want it to.

http://www.911conspiracy.tv/2nd_hit_photos.html

Say what you want but you don't have any business saying there are no planes.  No documents, no witnesses, no interviews of anyone who was there, no nothing.  I know people who were there who would literally kick your ass if you said there were no planes and nobody died.

Answer this question.  Where are the planes and passengers?  They took off and never landed at their destinations.  Where are the people?

Mike


Mike, re your questions - 911 was 100% a pre-recorded show by Hollywood broadcasted live on TV September 2001. No planes, no passengers, no real reporters running around on Manhattan with towers collapsing in the background, etc. I describe it at my website. Plenty actors at work! But not very convincing.

It was similar to all NASA human space trips to the Moon and the ISS 1969-2017. All pre-recorded shows. It is easy to fool people. It is a great show but not very funny.

It is like a-bombs and radiation 1945! No a-bombs exploded anywhere. And radioactive radiation as it exists is also harmless. The intensities and doses do not kill anyone. But 'experts' suggest otherwise to scare you!

It is like the Chernobyl nuclear power plant incident 1986. It was suggested that radioactivity was spreading over Europe killing people and destroying mushrooms, reindeers and agriculture and so on. But when the dangerous cloud arrived to France ... it disappeared! Of course it was there ... only that France had different criteria what was dangerous radiation. I assume nobody died from radiation at Chernobyl either. But it was a great opportunity to scare people everywhere.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: onebigmonkey on August 10, 2017, 09:27:58 PM
We can argue 'til the cows come home about who was responsible for 9/11, but no-planers are the worst kind of babbling idiot.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on August 10, 2017, 09:32:38 PM
We can argue 'til the cows come home about who was responsible for 9/11, but no-planers are the worst kind of babbling idiot.

I agree they don't help our cause.

(https://s28.postimg.org/44phyfifx/images-20.jpg)

(https://s28.postimg.org/irndmr7vh/b97de014b9cf387effe27342e13e505c--wtc---north-to.jpg)

Edit.
If it was all cgi whats that?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 10, 2017, 09:38:46 PM

 911 was 100% a pre-recorded show by Hollywood broadcasted live on TV September 2001. No planes, no passengers, no real reporters running around on Manhattan with towers collapsing in the background, etc. I describe it at my website. Plenty actors at work! But not very convincing.



Heiwa is a gem.



Granite is a gem, right?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on August 10, 2017, 09:48:22 PM
And all my mates from new york that saw the towers fall are just wrong?
Heiwa?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 10, 2017, 10:11:21 PM
And all my mates from new york that saw the towers fall are just wrong?
Heiwa?

What ever they saw it was a Broadway show ... live on TV. Skyscrapers becoming rubble ... by gravity. Weak tops crushing intact, strong bottoms into dust ... by gravity.

But you have no mates, so you just make it up.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on August 10, 2017, 10:21:28 PM
I'm in contact with plenty of new yorkers.
They think the towers fell, they saw them collapse in fact.

Doesnt change the issue of 9/11 being a false flag.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics.
Post by: Heiwa on August 11, 2017, 01:25:06 AM
I'm in contact with plenty of new yorkers.
They think the towers fell, they saw them collapse in fact.

Doesnt change the issue of 9/11 being a false flag.

Thanks for this intelligent post about what people think and saw at NY. However, it is off topic. See post #1!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 11, 2017, 01:42:12 AM

I’m from the North Jersey area.  My brother saw the second plane come in and I have a few friends who saw it too.  It came in from the SSW and flew over the city my brother was living in at the time.  He saw it go right over the harbor into the South Tower.  I’d like to see Heiwa explain that one. 

My brother-in-law is a firefighter in Jersey.  He, like so many others spent a lot of time at ground zero.  If they were off duty, they were there.

I’d like to see Heiwa go into any firehouse on the island and tell them there were no planes and nobody died...let’s see how that works out for him.

I’m an engineer so I can’t deny the contradictions in the reports and testimony.  I have no doubts it was terrorists but it’s likely there were more involved than just in the planes.  They tried to bring the towers down in ’93 and failed.  It’s possible they learned from that.  It’s possible there were some pre-staged materials to aid in bringing down the towers...thermite maybe.  It would also explain how the fires brought down 7.  Once the towers came down and fires spread to start some thermite reactions in building 7 it subsequently came down.  It would explain how it came down without any of the explosions you typically see in a controlled collapse.  But, it all hinged on the planes and their fuel to start things off.  It’s all conjecture and will never be proven but hey, it’s a theory

In the end the government realized they had all the pieces to prevent this and there was more going on that they just plain missed.  If there’s anything being covered up it’s their won incompetence and the fact they could have stopped it.

I do want to be clear.  I don’t believe there’s some grand conspiracy by our government.  They didn’t do this and it was certainly a terrorist act.  There’s no motive and it gains them nothing to kill their own citizens. 

Mike

I think you are lying, Mike, about everything ... incl. arabs, planes, their fuel to start things off ... a theory.
But of course - you are a twerp. Explains everything.
Additionally, my brother wasn't the only one who saw the plane fly over the harbor into the south tower.  Here is the fact you want to go away.  There were hundreds of thousands of people who say that plane, not just hit the tower, but fly in over the harbor from Jersey.  You can't wish it away just because you want it to.

http://www.911conspiracy.tv/2nd_hit_photos.html

Say what you want but you don't have any business saying there are no planes.  No documents, no witnesses, no interviews of anyone who was there, no nothing.  I know people who were there who would literally kick your ass if you said there were no planes and nobody died.

Answer this question.  Where are the planes and passengers?  They took off and never landed at their destinations.  Where are the people?

Mike


Mike, re your questions - 911 was 100% a pre-recorded show by Hollywood broadcasted live on TV September 2001. No planes, no passengers, no real reporters running around on Manhattan with towers collapsing in the background, etc. I describe it at my website. Plenty actors at work! But not very convincing.

It was similar to all NASA human space trips to the Moon and the ISS 1969-2017. All pre-recorded shows. It is easy to fool people. It is a great show but not very funny.

It is like a-bombs and radiation 1945! No a-bombs exploded anywhere. And radioactive radiation as it exists is also harmless. The intensities and doses do not kill anyone. But 'experts' suggest otherwise to scare you!

It is like the Chernobyl nuclear power plant incident 1986. It was suggested that radioactivity was spreading over Europe killing people and destroying mushrooms, reindeers and agriculture and so on. But when the dangerous cloud arrived to France ... it disappeared! Of course it was there ... only that France had different criteria what was dangerous radiation. I assume nobody died from radiation at Chernobyl either. But it was a great opportunity to scare people everywhere.
Bat shit crazy comments like this is why you have zero credibility.  You can't even see the truth right in front of you.  Everyone else has to have some evidence to make a claim...apparently you don't. 

I had family in those towers.  We're fortunate my cousin got out but there are thousands of families who weren't so lucky. 

It's not just the million or so people who saw the planes.  Workers who spent eight months recovering remains from ground zero.  You can't fake something like that. 

To this day not all of them have been identified and there are families out there who will never get closure...and you don't think they even exist. 

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 11, 2017, 03:57:41 AM

Bat shit crazy comments like this is why you have zero credibility.  You can't even see the truth right in front of you.  Everyone else has to have some evidence to make a claim...apparently you don't. 

I had family in those towers.  We're fortunate my cousin got out but there are thousands of families who weren't so lucky. 

It's not just the million or so people who saw the planes.  Workers who spent eight months recovering remains from ground zero.  You can't fake something like that. 

To this day not all of them have been identified and there are families out there who will never get closure...and you don't think they even exist. 

Mike
Mike. You have no credibility compared with me - http://heiwaco.com/cv.htm . And your language is bad. Why do you make up all your stories?
I assume you must. Blackmail! Most people going after me are blackmailed. I reveal political hoaxes and you, as part of them, must play your stupid role against me - a person you don't know.
Tragic! Mike - you are a twerp!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: onebigmonkey on August 11, 2017, 05:39:13 AM
This is getting needlessly messianic...
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 11, 2017, 06:07:18 AM

Bat shit crazy comments like this is why you have zero credibility.  You can't even see the truth right in front of you.  Everyone else has to have some evidence to make a claim...apparently you don't. 

I had family in those towers.  We're fortunate my cousin got out but there are thousands of families who weren't so lucky. 

It's not just the million or so people who saw the planes.  Workers who spent eight months recovering remains from ground zero.  You can't fake something like that. 

To this day not all of them have been identified and there are families out there who will never get closure...and you don't think they even exist. 

Mike
Mike. You have no credibility compared with me - http://heiwaco.com/cv.htm . And your language is bad. Why do you make up all your stories?
I assume you must. Blackmail! Most people going after me are blackmailed. I reveal political hoaxes and you, as part of them, must play your stupid role against me - a person you don't know.
Tragic! Mike - you are a twerp!
How many people did you interview anyone who were there? 

Did you talk to any of the thousands involved in the recovery of remains? 

Did you interview any first responders?

Did you interview any of the families that lost loved ones that day, any of the groups created by the families who lost loved ones, or any single person who could possible corroborate you premise?   

NO YOU DIDN’T TALK TO A SINGLE PERSON.  It’s just another example of shoddy research and lunatic conclusions.

My credibility is rock solid and I welcome anyone to research me thoroughly. 

You, on the other hand, research show you’re a conspiracy nut case.  You’ve been banned over and over again.  Your credibility is so bad that even other engineers who initially accepted you into the AE911 group no longer want anything to do with you after having peer reviewed your work on 9-11.  They removed every mention of you from their website because they don’t want to be associated with your crackpot conspiracy theories.  That’s how bad your credibility is.

I am making it my mission in life to take every legal means necessary to see that your website is either corrected and you acknowledge the lives that were lost that day or that it comes down completely.  And, when I legally to you those planes hit the towers it means your entire analysis is invalid and I will look into taking you to court for the million euros.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on August 11, 2017, 06:17:45 AM
Bravo!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Badxtoss on August 11, 2017, 07:11:42 AM

Bat shit crazy comments like this is why you have zero credibility.  You can't even see the truth right in front of you.  Everyone else has to have some evidence to make a claim...apparently you don't. 

I had family in those towers.  We're fortunate my cousin got out but there are thousands of families who weren't so lucky. 

It's not just the million or so people who saw the planes.  Workers who spent eight months recovering remains from ground zero.  You can't fake something like that. 

To this day not all of them have been identified and there are families out there who will never get closure...and you don't think they even exist. 

Mike
Mike. You have no credibility compared with me - http://heiwaco.com/cv.htm . And your language is bad. Why do you make up all your stories?
I assume you must. Blackmail! Most people going after me are blackmailed. I reveal political hoaxes and you, as part of them, must play your stupid role against me - a person you don't know.
Tragic! Mike - you are a twerp!
I knew people who died in the towers.  I know people who saw it unfold.  Are they all liars?  Is everyone in New York lying?  Why?  For what you claim to be true you need a million people or so to agree to lie about.  Every eyewitness every first responder ever family member.  You get that right?  It's literally impossible for you to be right about this.  It simply cannot have happened that way.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Sentinel on August 11, 2017, 07:14:42 AM
This guy can't be serious, can he?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Badxtoss on August 11, 2017, 07:27:01 AM
This guy can't be serious, can he?
I didn't use to think so but now I do think he is serious, just insane.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 11, 2017, 08:29:43 AM

Bat shit crazy comments like this is why you have zero credibility.  You can't even see the truth right in front of you.  Everyone else has to have some evidence to make a claim...apparently you don't. 

I had family in those towers.  We're fortunate my cousin got out but there are thousands of families who weren't so lucky. 

It's not just the million or so people who saw the planes.  Workers who spent eight months recovering remains from ground zero.  You can't fake something like that. 

To this day not all of them have been identified and there are families out there who will never get closure...and you don't think they even exist. 

Mike
Mike. You have no credibility compared with me - http://heiwaco.com/cv.htm . And your language is bad. Why do you make up all your stories?
I assume you must. Blackmail! Most people going after me are blackmailed. I reveal political hoaxes and you, as part of them, must play your stupid role against me - a person you don't know.
Tragic! Mike - you are a twerp!
How many people did you interview anyone who were there? 

Did you talk to any of the thousands involved in the recovery of remains? 

Did you interview any first responders?

Did you interview any of the families that lost loved ones that day, any of the groups created by the families who lost loved ones, or any single person who could possible corroborate you premise?   

NO YOU DIDN’T TALK TO A SINGLE PERSON.  It’s just another example of shoddy research and lunatic conclusions.

My credibility is rock solid and I welcome anyone to research me thoroughly. 

You, on the other hand, research show you’re a conspiracy nut case.  You’ve been banned over and over again.  Your credibility is so bad that even other engineers who initially accepted you into the AE911 group no longer want anything to do with you after having peer reviewed your work on 9-11.  They removed every mention of you from their website because they don’t want to be associated with your crackpot conspiracy theories.  That’s how bad your credibility is.

I am making it my mission in life to take every legal means necessary to see that your website is either corrected and you acknowledge the lives that were lost that day or that it comes down completely.  And, when I legally to you those planes hit the towers it means your entire analysis is invalid and I will look into taking you to court for the million euros.

Mike

Well, you have to prove your credentials, incl. your sister married to a NJ fire fighter. My credentials are very good.

I happened to be at Freiberg i.Sa, Germany, investigating the Wismut AG uranium fraud, when 911 took place. You know, Stalin used forced slave labour to mine (fake) uranium there 1945/7 until my friend WM arrived and suggested productivity would increase by reasonable salaries, etc. I describe it at my site. My a-bomb pages are very poular today for obvious reasons of what happened 72 years ago.

I have watched footage of the WTC collapses with various TV reporters in the foreground and the top down collapsing towers in the background. I have watched the footage of alleged planes slicing in to the towers. Great show but all CGI + pre-recorded somewhere. Imagine you are a fake TV-reporter reporting the attack and ... a WTC tower collapses behind you ... and the same thing happens to a colleague of yours a little later ... and your camera men film it ... twice. See http://heiwaco.com/nist.htm . Too good to be true.

Finally, steel structures cannot collapse as shown on this footage. I explain it at http://heiwaco.com/emi2013.htm .

So Mike - the rumours you have heard are just that. Use a little critical thinking before accusing me of anything. Everything written at my site can be verified. You are not the first one threatening me with legal actions. And all of them have failed. I describe it at my site.

You have to sue me a the TGI at Nice, France. I have been there many times.

Anders Björkman, aka Heiwa

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 11, 2017, 08:47:09 AM

Bat shit crazy comments like this is why you have zero credibility.  You can't even see the truth right in front of you.  Everyone else has to have some evidence to make a claim...apparently you don't. 

I had family in those towers.  We're fortunate my cousin got out but there are thousands of families who weren't so lucky. 

It's not just the million or so people who saw the planes.  Workers who spent eight months recovering remains from ground zero.  You can't fake something like that. 

To this day not all of them have been identified and there are families out there who will never get closure...and you don't think they even exist. 

Mike
Mike. You have no credibility compared with me - http://heiwaco.com/cv.htm . And your language is bad. Why do you make up all your stories?
I assume you must. Blackmail! Most people going after me are blackmailed. I reveal political hoaxes and you, as part of them, must play your stupid role against me - a person you don't know.
Tragic! Mike - you are a twerp!
How many people did you interview anyone who were there? 

Did you talk to any of the thousands involved in the recovery of remains? 

Did you interview any first responders?

Did you interview any of the families that lost loved ones that day, any of the groups created by the families who lost loved ones, or any single person who could possible corroborate you premise?   

NO YOU DIDN’T TALK TO A SINGLE PERSON.  It’s just another example of shoddy research and lunatic conclusions.

My credibility is rock solid and I welcome anyone to research me thoroughly. 

You, on the other hand, research show you’re a conspiracy nut case.  You’ve been banned over and over again.  Your credibility is so bad that even other engineers who initially accepted you into the AE911 group no longer want anything to do with you after having peer reviewed your work on 9-11.  They removed every mention of you from their website because they don’t want to be associated with your crackpot conspiracy theories.  That’s how bad your credibility is.

I am making it my mission in life to take every legal means necessary to see that your website is either corrected and you acknowledge the lives that were lost that day or that it comes down completely.  And, when I legally to you those planes hit the towers it means your entire analysis is invalid and I will look into taking you to court for the million euros.

Mike

Well, you have to prove your credentials, incl. your sister married to a NJ fire fighter. My credentials are very good.

I happened to be at Freiberg i.Sa, Germany, investigating the Wismut AG uranium fraud, when 911 took place. You know, Stalin used forced slave labour to mine (fake) uranium there 1945/7 until my friend WM arrived and suggested productivity would increase by reasonable salaries, etc. I describe it at my site. My a-bomb pages are very poular today for obvious reasons of what happened 72 years ago.

I have watched footage of the WTC collapses with various TV reporters in the foreground and the top down collapsing towers in the background. I have watched the footage of alleged planes slicing in to the towers. Great show but all CGI + pre-recorded somewhere. Imagine you are a fake TV-reporter reporting the attack and ... a WTC tower collapses behind you ... and the same thing happens to a colleague of yours a little later ... and your camera men film it ... twice. See http://heiwaco.com/nist.htm . Too good to be true.

Finally, steel structures cannot collapse as shown on this footage. I explain it at http://heiwaco.com/emi2013.htm .

So Mike - the rumours you have heard are just that. Use a little critical thinking before accusing me of anything. Everything written at my site can be verified. You are not the first one threatening me with legal actions. And all of them have failed. I describe it at my site.

You have to sue me a the TGI at Nice, France. I have been there many times.

Anders Björkman, aka Heiwa
Actually, that would be my wife's brother that's the firefighter.

You watched TV and determined there were no planes...like I said shoddy research and shoddy engineering.

You're a lying sack of shot so, Byte Me!

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 11, 2017, 08:57:26 AM

Bat shit crazy comments like this is why you have zero credibility.  You can't even see the truth right in front of you.  Everyone else has to have some evidence to make a claim...apparently you don't. 

I had family in those towers.  We're fortunate my cousin got out but there are thousands of families who weren't so lucky. 

It's not just the million or so people who saw the planes.  Workers who spent eight months recovering remains from ground zero.  You can't fake something like that. 

To this day not all of them have been identified and there are families out there who will never get closure...and you don't think they even exist. 

Mike
Mike. You have no credibility compared with me - http://heiwaco.com/cv.htm . And your language is bad. Why do you make up all your stories?
I assume you must. Blackmail! Most people going after me are blackmailed. I reveal political hoaxes and you, as part of them, must play your stupid role against me - a person you don't know.
Tragic! Mike - you are a twerp!
How many people did you interview anyone who were there? 

Did you talk to any of the thousands involved in the recovery of remains? 

Did you interview any first responders?

Did you interview any of the families that lost loved ones that day, any of the groups created by the families who lost loved ones, or any single person who could possible corroborate you premise?   

NO YOU DIDN’T TALK TO A SINGLE PERSON.  It’s just another example of shoddy research and lunatic conclusions.

My credibility is rock solid and I welcome anyone to research me thoroughly. 

You, on the other hand, research show you’re a conspiracy nut case.  You’ve been banned over and over again.  Your credibility is so bad that even other engineers who initially accepted you into the AE911 group no longer want anything to do with you after having peer reviewed your work on 9-11.  They removed every mention of you from their website because they don’t want to be associated with your crackpot conspiracy theories.  That’s how bad your credibility is.

I am making it my mission in life to take every legal means necessary to see that your website is either corrected and you acknowledge the lives that were lost that day or that it comes down completely.  And, when I legally to you those planes hit the towers it means your entire analysis is invalid and I will look into taking you to court for the million euros.

Mike

Well, you have to prove your credentials, incl. your sister married to a NJ fire fighter. My credentials are very good.

I happened to be at Freiberg i.Sa, Germany, investigating the Wismut AG uranium fraud, when 911 took place. You know, Stalin used forced slave labour to mine (fake) uranium there 1945/7 until my friend WM arrived and suggested productivity would increase by reasonable salaries, etc. I describe it at my site. My a-bomb pages are very poular today for obvious reasons of what happened 72 years ago.

I have watched footage of the WTC collapses with various TV reporters in the foreground and the top down collapsing towers in the background. I have watched the footage of alleged planes slicing in to the towers. Great show but all CGI + pre-recorded somewhere. Imagine you are a fake TV-reporter reporting the attack and ... a WTC tower collapses behind you ... and the same thing happens to a colleague of yours a little later ... and your camera men film it ... twice. See http://heiwaco.com/nist.htm . Too good to be true.

Finally, steel structures cannot collapse as shown on this footage. I explain it at http://heiwaco.com/emi2013.htm .

So Mike - the rumours you have heard are just that. Use a little critical thinking before accusing me of anything. Everything written at my site can be verified. You are not the first one threatening me with legal actions. And all of them have failed. I describe it at my site.

You have to sue me a the TGI at Nice, France. I have been there many times.

Anders Björkman, aka Heiwa
Actually, that would be my brother that's the firefighter.

You watched TV and determined there were no planes...like I said shoddy research and shoddy engineering.

You're a lying sack of shot so, Byte Me!

Mike

No, I watched the footage shown on TV and determined it was CGI fakery, which I explain at my website. If you think I am wrong, you have to show the footage is real, etc, etc. See you at the TGI, Nice. You sound like an American twerp with a big mouth and a small brain.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 11, 2017, 08:59:56 AM
Heiwa caught on hidden camera . . . . .

(http://)
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: markjo on August 11, 2017, 09:08:18 AM
No, I watched the footage shown on TV and determined it was CGI fakery, which I explain at my website. If you think I am wrong, you have to show the footage is real, etc, etc.
Why would it not surprise me if Anders turned out to be a Holocaust denier too?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: frenat on August 11, 2017, 09:12:35 AM
No, I watched the footage shown on TV and determined it was CGI fakery, which I explain at my website. If you think I am wrong, you have to show the footage is real, etc, etc.
Why would it not surprise me if Anders turned out to be a Holocaust denier too?

Crank magnetism (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Crank_magnetism)
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 11, 2017, 09:16:08 AM
No, I watched the footage shown on TV and determined it was CGI fakery, which I explain at my website. If you think I am wrong, you have to show the footage is real, etc, etc.
Why would it not surprise me if Anders turned out to be a Holocaust denier too?

Yes, this is standard shill methods. You have to read my history lesson at http://heiwaco.com/vk12.htm with plenty homicides before you proceed.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 11, 2017, 12:44:25 PM
No, I watched the footage shown on TV and determined it was CGI fakery, which I explain at my website. If you think I am wrong, you have to show the footage is real, etc, etc. See you at the TGI, Nice. You sound like an American twerp with a big mouth and a small brain.
That you can tell just by watching TV whether something is fake CGI is one of the stupidest things you’ve ever said.  It's complete nonsense to think that someone with the resources to pull this off would create CGI so bad it's apparent on a consumer television.  How fucking stupid are you?

This kind of shoddy research, illogical approach, and lack of attention to detail is the whole reason you’re discredited with any engineer associated Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth and you were kicked out of their group.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 11, 2017, 01:54:27 PM
No, I watched the footage shown on TV and determined it was CGI fakery, which I explain at my website. If you think I am wrong, you have to show the footage is real, etc, etc. See you at the TGI, Nice. You sound like an American twerp with a big mouth and a small brain.
That you can tell just by watching TV whether something is fake CGI is one of the stupidest things you’ve ever said.  It's complete nonsense to think that someone with the resources to pull this off would create CGI so bad it's apparent on a consumer television.  How fucking stupid are you?

This kind of shoddy research, illogical approach, and lack of attention to detail is the whole reason you’re discredited with any engineer associated Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth and you were kicked out of their group.

Mike

The footage of the two (fake) reporters running around with their (fake) camera men filming from the street interviewing people with the burning towers in the background until both towers go POUFF, POUFF, POUFF from top down is too good to be true.

I am quite intelligent and as far as I am concerned I am still a good friend of Richard Gage of AE911Truth.

You are a twerp, Mike. When are you going to suggest I am a Holocaust denier? It seems to be standard routine when you are totally lost.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 11, 2017, 02:34:18 PM
No, I watched the footage shown on TV and determined it was CGI fakery, which I explain at my website. If you think I am wrong, you have to show the footage is real, etc, etc. See you at the TGI, Nice. You sound like an American twerp with a big mouth and a small brain.
That you can tell just by watching TV whether something is fake CGI is one of the stupidest things you’ve ever said.  It's complete nonsense to think that someone with the resources to pull this off would create CGI so bad it's apparent on a consumer television.  How fucking stupid are you?

This kind of shoddy research, illogical approach, and lack of attention to detail is the whole reason you’re discredited with any engineer associated Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth and you were kicked out of their group.

Mike

The footage of the two (fake) reporters running around with their (fake) camera men filming from the street interviewing people with the burning towers in the background until both towers go POUFF, POUFF, POUFF from top down is too good to be true.

I am quite intelligent and as far as I am concerned I am still a good friend of Richard Gage of AE911Truth.

You are a twerp, Mike. When are you going to suggest I am a Holocaust denier? It seems to be standard routine when you are totally lost.
I have no earthly idea what you believe about the Holocaust and would never accuse you of denying anything without proof.  Unlike you I deal only in facts.

The fact is, you were named New Petitioner of the Month at AE911Truth.  Then they removed all mention of you.  They deleted your profile and any mention of you being associated with the petition.  All facts.  Another fact, you’ve been banned from more forums than some people belong to.  Even 9-11 conspiracy sites banned you because your harebrained claims...another fact.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Badxtoss on August 11, 2017, 02:39:17 PM
No, I watched the footage shown on TV and determined it was CGI fakery, which I explain at my website. If you think I am wrong, you have to show the footage is real, etc, etc. See you at the TGI, Nice. You sound like an American twerp with a big mouth and a small brain.
That you can tell just by watching TV whether something is fake CGI is one of the stupidest things you’ve ever said.  It's complete nonsense to think that someone with the resources to pull this off would create CGI so bad it's apparent on a consumer television.  How fucking stupid are you?

This kind of shoddy research, illogical approach, and lack of attention to detail is the whole reason you’re discredited with any engineer associated Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth and you were kicked out of their group.

Mike

The footage of the two (fake) reporters running around with their (fake) camera men filming from the street interviewing people with the burning towers in the background until both towers go POUFF, POUFF, POUFF from top down is too good to be true.

I am quite intelligent and as far as I am concerned I am still a good friend of Richard Gage of AE911Truth.

You are a twerp, Mike. When are you going to suggest I am a Holocaust denier? It seems to be standard routine when you are totally lost.
Again, no evidence the footage is fake.  You really are not an intelligent person and this claim that thousands upon thousands of people did not actually witness the towers being hit and falling proves it.  You are a delusional idiot.  Nothing more.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 11, 2017, 03:04:54 PM
No, I watched the footage shown on TV and determined it was CGI fakery, which I explain at my website. If you think I am wrong, you have to show the footage is real, etc, etc. See you at the TGI, Nice. You sound like an American twerp with a big mouth and a small brain.
That you can tell just by watching TV whether something is fake CGI is one of the stupidest things you’ve ever said.  It's complete nonsense to think that someone with the resources to pull this off would create CGI so bad it's apparent on a consumer television.  How fucking stupid are you?

This kind of shoddy research, illogical approach, and lack of attention to detail is the whole reason you’re discredited with any engineer associated Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth and you were kicked out of their group.

Mike

The footage of the two (fake) reporters running around with their (fake) camera men filming from the street interviewing people with the burning towers in the background until both towers go POUFF, POUFF, POUFF from top down is too good to be true.

I am quite intelligent and as far as I am concerned I am still a good friend of Richard Gage of AE911Truth.

You are a twerp, Mike. When are you going to suggest I am a Holocaust denier? It seems to be standard routine when you are totally lost.
Again, no evidence the footage is fake.  You really are not an intelligent person and this claim that thousands upon thousands of people did not actually witness the towers being hit and falling proves it.  You are a delusional idiot.  Nothing more.
Several other forums tried to explain to him how the kind of video and photo manipulation work...prior to banning him that is.

His whole model hinges on the fact there were no planes so he made this shit up.  I'm starting to think he has some physiological need for attention.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 11, 2017, 08:18:05 PM
No, I watched the footage shown on TV and determined it was CGI fakery, which I explain at my website. If you think I am wrong, you have to show the footage is real, etc, etc. See you at the TGI, Nice. You sound like an American twerp with a big mouth and a small brain.
That you can tell just by watching TV whether something is fake CGI is one of the stupidest things you’ve ever said.  It's complete nonsense to think that someone with the resources to pull this off would create CGI so bad it's apparent on a consumer television.  How fucking stupid are you?

This kind of shoddy research, illogical approach, and lack of attention to detail is the whole reason you’re discredited with any engineer associated Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth and you were kicked out of their group.

Mike

The footage of the two (fake) reporters running around with their (fake) camera men filming from the street interviewing people with the burning towers in the background until both towers go POUFF, POUFF, POUFF from top down is too good to be true.

I am quite intelligent and as far as I am concerned I am still a good friend of Richard Gage of AE911Truth.

You are a twerp, Mike. When are you going to suggest I am a Holocaust denier? It seems to be standard routine when you are totally lost.
Again, no evidence the footage is fake.  You really are not an intelligent person and this claim that thousands upon thousands of people did not actually witness the towers being hit and falling proves it.  You are a delusional idiot.  Nothing more.

You really have to visit my website with links to the footage with the two film teams reporting 911 from Manhattan and running around there on the ground  ... when first one tower and then the second tower collapses into dust in the backgrounds 2001. The footage incl. collapses and film teams is 100% CGI fakery. I assume the collapses in the background are just added. Reason being no structure can collapse as suggested.

Topic is the footage. That 1000's of people witnessed something is something else. Real topic is of course impossible human space travel to the Moon. The asstronuts 1969 were just actors. It is quite easy to fool Americans using MSM.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Badxtoss on August 11, 2017, 09:40:24 PM
No, I watched the footage shown on TV and determined it was CGI fakery, which I explain at my website. If you think I am wrong, you have to show the footage is real, etc, etc. See you at the TGI, Nice. You sound like an American twerp with a big mouth and a small brain.
That you can tell just by watching TV whether something is fake CGI is one of the stupidest things you’ve ever said.  It's complete nonsense to think that someone with the resources to pull this off would create CGI so bad it's apparent on a consumer television.  How fucking stupid are you?

This kind of shoddy research, illogical approach, and lack of attention to detail is the whole reason you’re discredited with any engineer associated Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth and you were kicked out of their group.

Mike

The footage of the two (fake) reporters running around with their (fake) camera men filming from the street interviewing people with the burning towers in the background until both towers go POUFF, POUFF, POUFF from top down is too good to be true.

I am quite intelligent and as far as I am concerned I am still a good friend of Richard Gage of AE911Truth.

You are a twerp, Mike. When are you going to suggest I am a Holocaust denier? It seems to be standard routine when you are totally lost.
Again, no evidence the footage is fake.  You really are not an intelligent person and this claim that thousands upon thousands of people did not actually witness the towers being hit and falling proves it.  You are a delusional idiot.  Nothing more.

You really have to visit my website with links to the footage with the two film teams reporting 911 from Manhattan and running around there on the ground  ... when first one tower and then the second tower collapses into dust in the backgrounds 2001. The footage incl. collapses and film teams is 100% CGI fakery. I assume the collapses in the background are just added. Reason being no structure can collapse as suggested.

Topic is the footage. That 1000's of people witnessed something is something else. Real topic is of course impossible human space travel to the Moon. The asstronuts 1969 were just actors. It is quite easy to fool Americans using MSM.
Because you cannot explain how thousands of people can be lying about what they saw.  You really are an idiot who understands nothing at all.  You are a disgrace to humanity.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 12, 2017, 01:04:48 AM
No, I watched the footage shown on TV and determined it was CGI fakery, which I explain at my website. If you think I am wrong, you have to show the footage is real, etc, etc. See you at the TGI, Nice. You sound like an American twerp with a big mouth and a small brain.
That you can tell just by watching TV whether something is fake CGI is one of the stupidest things you’ve ever said.  It's complete nonsense to think that someone with the resources to pull this off would create CGI so bad it's apparent on a consumer television.  How fucking stupid are you?

This kind of shoddy research, illogical approach, and lack of attention to detail is the whole reason you’re discredited with any engineer associated Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth and you were kicked out of their group.

Mike

The footage of the two (fake) reporters running around with their (fake) camera men filming from the street interviewing people with the burning towers in the background until both towers go POUFF, POUFF, POUFF from top down is too good to be true.

I am quite intelligent and as far as I am concerned I am still a good friend of Richard Gage of AE911Truth.

You are a twerp, Mike. When are you going to suggest I am a Holocaust denier? It seems to be standard routine when you are totally lost.
Again, no evidence the footage is fake.  You really are not an intelligent person and this claim that thousands upon thousands of people did not actually witness the towers being hit and falling proves it.  You are a delusional idiot.  Nothing more.

You really have to visit my website with links to the footage with the two film teams reporting 911 from Manhattan and running around there on the ground  ... when first one tower and then the second tower collapses into dust in the backgrounds 2001. The footage incl. collapses and film teams is 100% CGI fakery. I assume the collapses in the background are just added. Reason being no structure can collapse as suggested.

Topic is the footage. That 1000's of people witnessed something is something else. Real topic is of course impossible human space travel to the Moon. The asstronuts 1969 were just actors. It is quite easy to fool Americans using MSM.
Because you cannot explain how thousands of people can be lying about what they saw.  You really are an idiot who understands nothing at all.  You are a disgrace to humanity.
I still admire those two TV teams on the ground at Manhattan filming and interviewing people when ... the towers collapse into dust in the background. I conclude that the film teams are fake and that the collapsing towers in the background are also fake.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Sentinel on August 12, 2017, 04:41:30 AM
No, I watched the footage shown on TV and determined it was CGI fakery, which I explain at my website. If you think I am wrong, you have to show the footage is real, etc, etc. See you at the TGI, Nice. You sound like an American twerp with a big mouth and a small brain.
That you can tell just by watching TV whether something is fake CGI is one of the stupidest things you’ve ever said.  It's complete nonsense to think that someone with the resources to pull this off would create CGI so bad it's apparent on a consumer television.  How fucking stupid are you?

This kind of shoddy research, illogical approach, and lack of attention to detail is the whole reason you’re discredited with any engineer associated Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth and you were kicked out of their group.

Mike

The footage of the two (fake) reporters running around with their (fake) camera men filming from the street interviewing people with the burning towers in the background until both towers go POUFF, POUFF, POUFF from top down is too good to be true.

I am quite intelligent and as far as I am concerned I am still a good friend of Richard Gage of AE911Truth.

You are a twerp, Mike. When are you going to suggest I am a Holocaust denier? It seems to be standard routine when you are totally lost.
I have no earthly idea what you believe about the Holocaust and would never accuse you of denying anything without proof.  Unlike you I deal only in facts.

The fact is, you were named New Petitioner of the Month at AE911Truth.  Then they removed all mention of you.  They deleted your profile and any mention of you being associated with the petition.  All facts.  Another fact, you’ve been banned from more forums than some people belong to.  Even 9-11 conspiracy sites banned you because your harebrained claims...another fact.

Mike

So he finally ended up here on FES where he could obvioulsy thrive quite well. Comes to no surprise at all, actually.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Badxtoss on August 12, 2017, 07:28:57 AM
No, I watched the footage shown on TV and determined it was CGI fakery, which I explain at my website. If you think I am wrong, you have to show the footage is real, etc, etc. See you at the TGI, Nice. You sound like an American twerp with a big mouth and a small brain.
That you can tell just by watching TV whether something is fake CGI is one of the stupidest things you’ve ever said.  It's complete nonsense to think that someone with the resources to pull this off would create CGI so bad it's apparent on a consumer television.  How fucking stupid are you?

This kind of shoddy research, illogical approach, and lack of attention to detail is the whole reason you’re discredited with any engineer associated Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth and you were kicked out of their group.

Mike

The footage of the two (fake) reporters running around with their (fake) camera men filming from the street interviewing people with the burning towers in the background until both towers go POUFF, POUFF, POUFF from top down is too good to be true.

I am quite intelligent and as far as I am concerned I am still a good friend of Richard Gage of AE911Truth.

You are a twerp, Mike. When are you going to suggest I am a Holocaust denier? It seems to be standard routine when you are totally lost.
Again, no evidence the footage is fake.  You really are not an intelligent person and this claim that thousands upon thousands of people did not actually witness the towers being hit and falling proves it.  You are a delusional idiot.  Nothing more.

You really have to visit my website with links to the footage with the two film teams reporting 911 from Manhattan and running around there on the ground  ... when first one tower and then the second tower collapses into dust in the backgrounds 2001. The footage incl. collapses and film teams is 100% CGI fakery. I assume the collapses in the background are just added. Reason being no structure can collapse as suggested.

Topic is the footage. That 1000's of people witnessed something is something else. Real topic is of course impossible human space travel to the Moon. The asstronuts 1969 were just actors. It is quite easy to fool Americans using MSM.
Because you cannot explain how thousands of people can be lying about what they saw.  You really are an idiot who understands nothing at all.  You are a disgrace to humanity.
I still admire those two TV teams on the ground at Manhattan filming and interviewing people when ... the towers collapse into dust in the background. I conclude that the film teams are fake and that the collapsing towers in the background are also fake.
You ignored my post entirely.  What about the thousands of eyewitnesses?  Care to address that or are you going to run away from that?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: markjo on August 12, 2017, 07:39:16 AM
I still admire those two TV teams on the ground at Manhattan filming and interviewing people when ... the towers collapse into dust in the background. I conclude that the film teams are fake and that the collapsing towers in the background are also fake.
I'm pretty sure that there were lots more than just two TV news teams on the ground in Manhattan filming at that time the towers came down.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 12, 2017, 08:02:09 AM
No, I watched the footage shown on TV and determined it was CGI fakery, which I explain at my website. If you think I am wrong, you have to show the footage is real, etc, etc. See you at the TGI, Nice. You sound like an American twerp with a big mouth and a small brain.
That you can tell just by watching TV whether something is fake CGI is one of the stupidest things you’ve ever said.  It's complete nonsense to think that someone with the resources to pull this off would create CGI so bad it's apparent on a consumer television.  How fucking stupid are you?

This kind of shoddy research, illogical approach, and lack of attention to detail is the whole reason you’re discredited with any engineer associated Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth and you were kicked out of their group.

Mike

The footage of the two (fake) reporters running around with their (fake) camera men filming from the street interviewing people with the burning towers in the background until both towers go POUFF, POUFF, POUFF from top down is too good to be true.

I am quite intelligent and as far as I am concerned I am still a good friend of Richard Gage of AE911Truth.

You are a twerp, Mike. When are you going to suggest I am a Holocaust denier? It seems to be standard routine when you are totally lost.
Again, no evidence the footage is fake.  You really are not an intelligent person and this claim that thousands upon thousands of people did not actually witness the towers being hit and falling proves it.  You are a delusional idiot.  Nothing more.

You really have to visit my website with links to the footage with the two film teams reporting 911 from Manhattan and running around there on the ground  ... when first one tower and then the second tower collapses into dust in the backgrounds 2001. The footage incl. collapses and film teams is 100% CGI fakery. I assume the collapses in the background are just added. Reason being no structure can collapse as suggested.

Topic is the footage. That 1000's of people witnessed something is something else. Real topic is of course impossible human space travel to the Moon. The asstronuts 1969 were just actors. It is quite easy to fool Americans using MSM.
Because you cannot explain how thousands of people can be lying about what they saw.  You really are an idiot who understands nothing at all.  You are a disgrace to humanity.
I still admire those two TV teams on the ground at Manhattan filming and interviewing people when ... the towers collapse into dust in the background. I conclude that the film teams are fake and that the collapsing towers in the background are also fake.
You ignored my post entirely.  What about the thousands of eyewitnesses?  Care to address that or are you going to run away from that?

Not at all - - plenty actors running around.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 12, 2017, 08:04:24 AM
I still admire those two TV teams on the ground at Manhattan filming and interviewing people when ... the towers collapse into dust in the background. I conclude that the film teams are fake and that the collapsing towers in the background are also fake.
I'm pretty sure that there were lots more than just two TV news teams on the ground in Manhattan filming at that time the towers came down.

Of course - they were all part of the great show!

Notice how the camera men manage to film the towers becoming dust! Actually it is trick films from A to Z.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 12, 2017, 08:18:25 AM
I still admire those two TV teams on the ground at Manhattan filming and interviewing people when ... the towers collapse into dust in the background. I conclude that the film teams are fake and that the collapsing towers in the background are also fake.
I'm pretty sure that there were lots more than just two TV news teams on the ground in Manhattan filming at that time the towers came down.

Of course - they were all part of the great show!

Notice how the camera men manage to film the towers becoming dust! Actually it is trick films from A to Z.

That very fact that you believe you can tell the video is faked by watching on a common TV says a lot about you lack of technical rigor.  If those videos were faked by something with the necessary resources you would never be able to tell on a consumer TV set.  None of that occurred to you did it?

It's amazes me that you'd put so much work into your supposed analysis but did not even verify your suspicions about the video...and that's all you've got is suspicions.  Nothing but shoddy research to backup poor engineering.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 12, 2017, 08:33:35 AM
I still admire those two TV teams on the ground at Manhattan filming and interviewing people when ... the towers collapse into dust in the background. I conclude that the film teams are fake and that the collapsing towers in the background are also fake.
I'm pretty sure that there were lots more than just two TV news teams on the ground in Manhattan filming at that time the towers came down.

Of course - they were all part of the great show!

Notice how the camera men manage to film the towers becoming dust! Actually it is trick films from A to Z.

That very fact that you believe you can tell the video is faked by watching on a common TV says a lot about you lack of technical rigor.  If those videos were faked by something with the necessary resources you would never be able to tell on a consumer TV set.  None of that occurred to you did it?

It's amazes me that you'd put so much work into your supposed analysis but did not even verify your suspicions about the video...and that's all you've got is suspicions.  Nothing but shoddy research to backup poor engineering.

Mike

Yes, I have done plenty research:

Quote
1. The 9/11 imagery shown live on TV was nothing but a Hollywood-style film production, complete with actors in the role of 'eye-witnesses' or 'fire fighters', staged 'running crowds', 3D-compositing and special cinematic effects. The few clips featuring 'airplanes' (or dull silhouettes thereof) were computer-generated images. If you ask me who directed the movie I suggest James Cameron that made Titanic: "I realized that (the film) "Titanic" gave us help in interpreting the new disaster, in exploring the feelings of loss and anger."

2. No commercial airliners were hijacked or - much less - crashed into the WTC towers, the Pentagon or the Shanksville field. No valid/verifiable records exist for their airport logs/schedules, their numbered parts, their alleged passengers. Their reported speeds at near sea-level as well as the absurd visuals of their total, effortless disappearance into the WTC façades defy the laws of mechanics and physics. 

3. The World Trade Center Complex (9 buildings in all) were demolished with powerful explosives, while the Hollywood show was broadcasted on TV. The WTC 1&2 towers were then demolished from bottom up. The fast POUFF, POUFF top down collapses shown on TV producing dust and smoke were Hollywood style 3D-compositing and special cinematic effects. No structures can collapse as shown!

4. No "3000" people were trapped in the top floors/nor perished in the WTC towers. The buildings were empty!

Here are another four examples of the top collapse of the North Tower/WTC1 and what follows provided by NIST.

(roof drops at start of clip)
(roof drops at start of clip)
(roof drops at 1:10)
(roof drops at 5:07)

Note the following:

5. All four photographers are - for whatever reason - still roaming in the vicinity of the WTC complex at 10:28am (a full 29 minutes after the earlier WTC2 collapse at 9:59am). This, in spite of the officially reported 'total evacuation' of Lower Manhattan - which, reportedly, was initiated soon after the alleged "plane crashes" - one hour or so earlier.
 
6. All four photographers, no matter how far they are standing from each other / and from the WTC, are pretty much LATERALLY aligned with each other. The LATERAL perspectives of the four shots - although not perfectly identical - are quite remarkably similar.

7. All four photographers have their four camera-lenses coincidentally trained on the top of WTC1 - at a high zoom level (close-up view) - JUST as WTC1 started to fall. This, in spite of having no possible foreknowledge of the WTC1's sudden collapse - and in spite of WTC2 having collapsed 29 minutes earlier. They all just waited around for half-an-hour, a few hundred yards away from the WTC complex, filming away (undisturbed by the ongoing evacuation).

8. All four photographers (quite coincidentally...) decided to perform a manual or motorized zoom-out motion - within seconds of the WTC1 collapse initiations - and quite successfully so (all four zoom out motions being remarkably progressive and smooth - with minimal amounts of camera shake or motion blur).

9. All four photographers have nerves of steel - and remained calm and composed while all around them, screaming people were running away from the scene in dire panic.

Evidently all four videos are fakes! They are made in Hollywood! But by whom?

Source - http://heiwaco.com/nist.htm


I think my analysis is pretty good.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Badxtoss on August 12, 2017, 08:38:35 AM
I still admire those two TV teams on the ground at Manhattan filming and interviewing people when ... the towers collapse into dust in the background. I conclude that the film teams are fake and that the collapsing towers in the background are also fake.
I'm pretty sure that there were lots more than just two TV news teams on the ground in Manhattan filming at that time the towers came down.

Of course - they were all part of the great show!

Notice how the camera men manage to film the towers becoming dust! Actually it is trick films from A to Z.

That very fact that you believe you can tell the video is faked by watching on a common TV says a lot about you lack of technical rigor.  If those videos were faked by something with the necessary resources you would never be able to tell on a consumer TV set.  None of that occurred to you did it?

It's amazes me that you'd put so much work into your supposed analysis but did not even verify your suspicions about the video...and that's all you've got is suspicions.  Nothing but shoddy research to backup poor engineering.

Mike

Yes, I have done plenty research:

Quote
1. The 9/11 imagery shown live on TV was nothing but a Hollywood-style film production, complete with actors in the role of 'eye-witnesses' or 'fire fighters', staged 'running crowds', 3D-compositing and special cinematic effects. The few clips featuring 'airplanes' (or dull silhouettes thereof) were computer-generated images. If you ask me who directed the movie I suggest James Cameron that made Titanic: "I realized that (the film) "Titanic" gave us help in interpreting the new disaster, in exploring the feelings of loss and anger."

2. No commercial airliners were hijacked or - much less - crashed into the WTC towers, the Pentagon or the Shanksville field. No valid/verifiable records exist for their airport logs/schedules, their numbered parts, their alleged passengers. Their reported speeds at near sea-level as well as the absurd visuals of their total, effortless disappearance into the WTC façades defy the laws of mechanics and physics. 

3. The World Trade Center Complex (9 buildings in all) were demolished with powerful explosives, while the Hollywood show was broadcasted on TV. The WTC 1&2 towers were then demolished from bottom up. The fast POUFF, POUFF top down collapses shown on TV producing dust and smoke were Hollywood style 3D-compositing and special cinematic effects. No structures can collapse as shown!

4. No "3000" people were trapped in the top floors/nor perished in the WTC towers. The buildings were empty!

Here are another four examples of the top collapse of the North Tower/WTC1 and what follows provided by NIST.

(roof drops at start of clip)
(roof drops at start of clip)
(roof drops at 1:10)
(roof drops at 5:07)

Note the following:

5. All four photographers are - for whatever reason - still roaming in the vicinity of the WTC complex at 10:28am (a full 29 minutes after the earlier WTC2 collapse at 9:59am). This, in spite of the officially reported 'total evacuation' of Lower Manhattan - which, reportedly, was initiated soon after the alleged "plane crashes" - one hour or so earlier.
 
6. All four photographers, no matter how far they are standing from each other / and from the WTC, are pretty much LATERALLY aligned with each other. The LATERAL perspectives of the four shots - although not perfectly identical - are quite remarkably similar.

7. All four photographers have their four camera-lenses coincidentally trained on the top of WTC1 - at a high zoom level (close-up view) - JUST as WTC1 started to fall. This, in spite of having no possible foreknowledge of the WTC1's sudden collapse - and in spite of WTC2 having collapsed 29 minutes earlier. They all just waited around for half-an-hour, a few hundred yards away from the WTC complex, filming away (undisturbed by the ongoing evacuation).

8. All four photographers (quite coincidentally...) decided to perform a manual or motorized zoom-out motion - within seconds of the WTC1 collapse initiations - and quite successfully so (all four zoom out motions being remarkably progressive and smooth - with minimal amounts of camera shake or motion blur).

9. All four photographers have nerves of steel - and remained calm and composed while all around them, screaming people were running away from the scene in dire panic.

Evidently all four videos are fakes! They are made in Hollywood! But by whom?

Source - http://heiwaco.com/nist.htm


I think my analysis is pretty good.
And you still fail to address the thousands, probably hundreds of thousands of actual eyewitnesses.  I know several people who witnessed it and some of them lost friends in the towers that day but you are literally too stupid to see that.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on August 12, 2017, 08:47:52 AM
Don't you know, Badxtoss, they were ALL paid to lie about. Every single one of them. Makes perfect sense.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Badxtoss on August 12, 2017, 08:51:01 AM
Don't you know, Badxtoss, they were ALL paid to lie about. Every single one of them. Makes perfect sense.
THATS where the money went!  Always follow the money.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 12, 2017, 08:57:53 AM
I still admire those two TV teams on the ground at Manhattan filming and interviewing people when ... the towers collapse into dust in the background. I conclude that the film teams are fake and that the collapsing towers in the background are also fake.
I'm pretty sure that there were lots more than just two TV news teams on the ground in Manhattan filming at that time the towers came down.

Of course - they were all part of the great show!

Notice how the camera men manage to film the towers becoming dust! Actually it is trick films from A to Z.

That very fact that you believe you can tell the video is faked by watching on a common TV says a lot about you lack of technical rigor.  If those videos were faked by something with the necessary resources you would never be able to tell on a consumer TV set.  None of that occurred to you did it?

It's amazes me that you'd put so much work into your supposed analysis but did not even verify your suspicions about the video...and that's all you've got is suspicions.  Nothing but shoddy research to backup poor engineering.

Mike

Yes, I have done plenty research:


I think my analysis is pretty good.
You just don’t get it.  It’s impossible to tell a professional faked video is faked on a consumer TV.  Everyone else on the planet have to professional video gear for that....”shoddy research”.

There were millions who were there and witnessed the events.  Interviewing them would be necessary to hear what they saw but you didn’t do that...”shoddy research”.

There were millions who were there and not one of them said anything different from what is seen on the videos.  You didn’t consider that...”shoddy research”.

You made a flawed assumption, based solely on a lazy approach of just watching TV, and created an entire theory based on that incorrect assumption...”shoddy research”.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 12, 2017, 08:58:41 AM
I still admire those two TV teams on the ground at Manhattan filming and interviewing people when ... the towers collapse into dust in the background. I conclude that the film teams are fake and that the collapsing towers in the background are also fake.
I'm pretty sure that there were lots more than just two TV news teams on the ground in Manhattan filming at that time the towers came down.

Of course - they were all part of the great show!

Notice how the camera men manage to film the towers becoming dust! Actually it is trick films from A to Z.

That very fact that you believe you can tell the video is faked by watching on a common TV says a lot about you lack of technical rigor.  If those videos were faked by something with the necessary resources you would never be able to tell on a consumer TV set.  None of that occurred to you did it?

It's amazes me that you'd put so much work into your supposed analysis but did not even verify your suspicions about the video...and that's all you've got is suspicions.  Nothing but shoddy research to backup poor engineering.

Mike

Yes, I have done plenty research:

Quote
1. The 9/11 imagery shown live on TV was nothing but a Hollywood-style film production, complete with actors in the role of 'eye-witnesses' or 'fire fighters', staged 'running crowds', 3D-compositing and special cinematic effects. The few clips featuring 'airplanes' (or dull silhouettes thereof) were computer-generated images. If you ask me who directed the movie I suggest James Cameron that made Titanic: "I realized that (the film) "Titanic" gave us help in interpreting the new disaster, in exploring the feelings of loss and anger."

2. No commercial airliners were hijacked or - much less - crashed into the WTC towers, the Pentagon or the Shanksville field. No valid/verifiable records exist for their airport logs/schedules, their numbered parts, their alleged passengers. Their reported speeds at near sea-level as well as the absurd visuals of their total, effortless disappearance into the WTC façades defy the laws of mechanics and physics. 

3. The World Trade Center Complex (9 buildings in all) were demolished with powerful explosives, while the Hollywood show was broadcasted on TV. The WTC 1&2 towers were then demolished from bottom up. The fast POUFF, POUFF top down collapses shown on TV producing dust and smoke were Hollywood style 3D-compositing and special cinematic effects. No structures can collapse as shown!

4. No "3000" people were trapped in the top floors/nor perished in the WTC towers. The buildings were empty!

Here are another four examples of the top collapse of the North Tower/WTC1 and what follows provided by NIST.

(roof drops at start of clip)
(roof drops at start of clip)
(roof drops at 1:10)
(roof drops at 5:07)

Note the following:

5. All four photographers are - for whatever reason - still roaming in the vicinity of the WTC complex at 10:28am (a full 29 minutes after the earlier WTC2 collapse at 9:59am). This, in spite of the officially reported 'total evacuation' of Lower Manhattan - which, reportedly, was initiated soon after the alleged "plane crashes" - one hour or so earlier.
 
6. All four photographers, no matter how far they are standing from each other / and from the WTC, are pretty much LATERALLY aligned with each other. The LATERAL perspectives of the four shots - although not perfectly identical - are quite remarkably similar.

7. All four photographers have their four camera-lenses coincidentally trained on the top of WTC1 - at a high zoom level (close-up view) - JUST as WTC1 started to fall. This, in spite of having no possible foreknowledge of the WTC1's sudden collapse - and in spite of WTC2 having collapsed 29 minutes earlier. They all just waited around for half-an-hour, a few hundred yards away from the WTC complex, filming away (undisturbed by the ongoing evacuation).

8. All four photographers (quite coincidentally...) decided to perform a manual or motorized zoom-out motion - within seconds of the WTC1 collapse initiations - and quite successfully so (all four zoom out motions being remarkably progressive and smooth - with minimal amounts of camera shake or motion blur).

9. All four photographers have nerves of steel - and remained calm and composed while all around them, screaming people were running away from the scene in dire panic.

Evidently all four videos are fakes! They are made in Hollywood! But by whom?

Source - http://heiwaco.com/nist.htm


I think my analysis is pretty good.
And you still fail to address the thousands, probably hundreds of thousands of actual eyewitnesses.  I know several people who witnessed it and some of them lost friends in the towers that day but you are literally too stupid to see that.
Hm, I haven't got a clue what the eyewitnesses actually saw! Have you? No, I just analyse TV footage of the incident and ... all the footage is of paid actors using green screens and added collapses, etc, etc.
I am just an indirect eyewitness. Had I seen a structure collapsing from top C crushing bottom A into dust in front of me, I would have been very suspicious. So I only saw some clips of the collapses later in the day on TV (in Europe) ... and I got immediately very suspicious. I am convinced that the NIST staff were blackmailed to produce false reports of all storts. If they had refused they would have had great problems.
Haven't I seen it before? Yes, I have!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 12, 2017, 09:03:19 AM

And you still fail to address the thousands, probably hundreds of thousands of actual eyewitnesses.  I know several people who witnessed it and some of them lost friends in the towers that day but you are literally too stupid to see that.
If you take into account that people were watching from North Jersey, Manhattan, NY Harbor, & Long Island the numbers of direct eye witnesses number over a million.

Additionally, everyone viewing from West, South, & East saw the second plane go over the harbor and into the south tower.  Yet schmuck-boy wants us to believe that all of those people who could have witnessed it were indoors watching on TV and only saw the videos.  This is a completely insane idea.  It's more likely he made this up in response to other poster questions and it's something he never considered when forming his theory...”shoddy research”.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 12, 2017, 09:04:15 AM
I still admire those two TV teams on the ground at Manhattan filming and interviewing people when ... the towers collapse into dust in the background. I conclude that the film teams are fake and that the collapsing towers in the background are also fake.
I'm pretty sure that there were lots more than just two TV news teams on the ground in Manhattan filming at that time the towers came down.

Of course - they were all part of the great show!

Notice how the camera men manage to film the towers becoming dust! Actually it is trick films from A to Z.

That very fact that you believe you can tell the video is faked by watching on a common TV says a lot about you lack of technical rigor.  If those videos were faked by something with the necessary resources you would never be able to tell on a consumer TV set.  None of that occurred to you did it?

It's amazes me that you'd put so much work into your supposed analysis but did not even verify your suspicions about the video...and that's all you've got is suspicions.  Nothing but shoddy research to backup poor engineering.

Mike

Yes, I have done plenty research:


I think my analysis is pretty good.
You just don’t get it.  It’s impossible to tell a professional faked video is faked on a consumer TV.  Everyone else on the planet have to professional video gear for that....”shoddy research”.

There were millions who were there and witnessed the events.  Interviewing them would be necessary to hear what they saw but you didn’t do that...”shoddy research”.

There were millions who were there and not one of them said anything different from what is seen on the videos.  You didn’t consider that...”shoddy research”.

You made a flawed assumption, based solely on a lazy approach of just watching TV, and created an entire theory based on that incorrect assumption...”shoddy research”.

Mike

You haven't understood. I mainly analyze the content of the footage. It is not real. The people incl. reporters are all actors. Just look at them! LOL.
My main argument is the two top down collapses into dust. Cannot happen in the real world. Totally fake. So paid actors in the front! And a smoky CGI dust fountain in the back.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 12, 2017, 09:08:26 AM

Hm, I haven't got a clue what the eyewitnesses actually saw! Have you? No, I just analyse TV footage of the incident and ... all the footage is of paid actors using green screens and added collapses, etc, etc.
I am just an indirect eyewitness. Had I seen a structure collapsing from top C crushing bottom A into dust in front of me, I would have been very suspicious. So I only saw some clips of the collapses later in the day on TV (in Europe) ... and I got immediately very suspicious. I am convinced that the NIST staff were blackmailed to produce false reports of all storts. If they had refused they would have had great problems.
Haven't I seen it before? Yes, I have!
Of course you haven't a clue because you never actually investigated...”shoddy research”.

I on the other hand do know what the witnesses saw.  I know many of them personally.  One being my brother who, from the balcony of his apartment, saw the second plane go over the harbor into the south tower.  Of course it never occurred to you to even ask what the eye witnesses saw...”shoddy research”.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 12, 2017, 09:11:28 AM

You just don’t get it.  It’s impossible to tell a professional faked video is faked on a consumer TV.  Everyone else on the planet have to professional video gear for that....”shoddy research”.

There were millions who were there and witnessed the events.  Interviewing them would be necessary to hear what they saw but you didn’t do that...”shoddy research”.

There were millions who were there and not one of them said anything different from what is seen on the videos.  You didn’t consider that...”shoddy research”.

You made a flawed assumption, based solely on a lazy approach of just watching TV, and created an entire theory based on that incorrect assumption...”shoddy research”.

Mike

You haven't understood. I mainly analyze the content of the footage. It is not real. The people incl. reporters are all actors. Just look at them! LOL.
My main argument is the wto top down collapses into dust. Cannot happen in the real world. Totally fake. So paid actors in the front! And a smoky CGI dust fountain in the back.
No.  I completely understood you.  You don't understand that you can't actually analyze professionally faked video on a consumer TV & home computer.  You would need real professional video gear to even start an actual investigation...”shoddy research”.

Did you know there are recently (via FOIA request) HD versions of the crappy videos you link to.  And, they're the unedited raw footage...much more than was shown on the air.  If you didn't do ”shoddy research” you would probably have seen these.








Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 12, 2017, 10:21:44 AM

No.  I completely understood you.  You don't understand that you can't actually analyze professionally faked video on a consumer TV & home computer.  You would need real professional video gear to even start an actual investigation...”shoddy research”.

Did you know there are recently (via FOIA request) HD versions of the crappy videos you link to.  And, they're the unedited raw footage...much more than was shown on the air.  If you didn't do ”shoddy research” you would probably have seen these.








Mike
I analyze footage without professional video gear, as I just watch the pictures, and then I use common sense.

I don't need HD versions of the footage or anything like it.

I just use common sense since at least 1994, when some government criminals told the public that heavy weather knocks off bow visors on ships at sea, noone aboard senses (hears, feels, experiences) anything of it at sea, the ship sinks at sea and about 1000 persons die at sea. But nobody really is to blame for it, even if ships float on deckhouses, and anyone being at sea just have to swim ashore after an incident.

The government criminals later blackmailed some civil/military servants to invent a fantasy about it, more people ashore died suddenly right and left, and ... I describe it at http://heiwaco.com . Luckily I was busy in Egypt at the time ... .

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 12, 2017, 10:34:38 AM
I analyze footage without professional video gear, as I just watch the pictures, and then I use common sense.

I don't need HD versions of the footage or anything like it.

I just use common sense since at least 1994, when some government criminals told the public that heavy weather knocks off bow visors on ships at sea, noone aboard senses (hears, feels, experiences) anything of it at sea, the ship sinks at sea and about 1000 persons die at sea. But nobody really is to blame for it, even if ships float on deckhouses, and anyone being at sea just have to swim ashore after an incident.

The government criminals later blackmailed some civil/military servants to invent a fantasy about it, more people ashore died suddenly right and left, and ... I describe it at http://heiwaco.com . Luckily I was busy in Egypt at the time ... .

What part of you can't analyze professionally faked video with "common sense" don't you understand?  IT IS IMPOSSIBLE EVEN FOR IMAGE EXPERTS.  That's why they have to you use the proper equipment. 

For you to believe watching on a consumer TV and using "common sense" is a proper method of analysis, well that's just ”shoddy research”.

You're ignoring the most important part of this.  The eye witnesses.  They can either confirm or deny you hypothesis and for you to ignore that is ”shoddy research”.

BTW, I know N.J. Burkett.  We went to high school together and he's a friend of mine (Elizabeth High School if you wish to look it up).  I've talked to him about this at length.  I've talked to friends who were there.  I've talked to my brother & brother-in-law.  All you have is your ”shoddy research”; which is why no credible engineer wants to be associated with you.

Mike

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 12, 2017, 10:54:04 AM
I analyze footage without professional video gear, as I just watch the pictures, and then I use common sense.

I don't need HD versions of the footage or anything like it.

I just use common sense since at least 1994, when some government criminals told the public that heavy weather knocks off bow visors on ships at sea, noone aboard senses (hears, feels, experiences) anything of it at sea, the ship sinks at sea and about 1000 persons die at sea. But nobody really is to blame for it, even if ships float on deckhouses, and anyone being at sea just have to swim ashore after an incident.

The government criminals later blackmailed some civil/military servants to invent a fantasy about it, more people ashore died suddenly right and left, and ... I describe it at http://heiwaco.com . Luckily I was busy in Egypt at the time ... .

What part of you can't analyze professionally faked video with "common sense" don't you understand?  IT IS IMPOSSIBLE EVEN FOR IMAGE EXPERTS.  That's why they have to you use the proper equipment. 

For you to believe watching on a consumer TV and using "common sense" is a proper method of analysis, well that's just ”shoddy research”.

You're ignoring the most important part of this.  The eye witnesses.  They can either confirm or deny you hypothesis and for you to ignore that is ”shoddy research”.

BTW, I know N.J. Burkett.  We went to high school together and he's a friend of mine (Elizabeth High School if you wish to look it up).  I've talked to him about this at length.  I've talked to friends who were there.  I've talked to my brother & brother-in-law.  All you have is your ”shoddy research”; which is why no credible engineer wants to be associated with you.

Mike

You are a friend of N.J Burkett? But he is/was a poor actor of the 911 show just dressing up as an N.J. Burkett then. OK, I assume you are just an underpaid HR assistant of the bad show. Go away. You did your part of the show 16 years ago. You are note even funny anymore. I agree, the expensive show was TOP on 911 but today 16 years later it is ... 0.

But, the show just goes on. What will you invent now? I am stupid? A Holocaust denier? Homosexual? Terrorist?

I look forward to your next BS post!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 12, 2017, 11:41:14 AM

You are a friend of N.J Burkett? But he is/was a poor actor of the 911 show just dressing up as an N.J. Burkett then. OK, I assume you are just an underpaid HR assistant of the bad show. Go away. You did your part of the show 16 years ago. You are note even funny anymore. I agree, the expensive show was TOP on 911 but today 16 years later it is ... 0.

But, the show just goes on. What will you invent now? I am stupid? A Holocaust denier? Homosexual? Terrorist?

I look forward to your next BS post!
I'm not going anywhere you fucking toad. You assume this, you assume that...that's your problem. You make assumptions and do shoddy research.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on August 12, 2017, 12:34:25 PM
shoddy research
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 12, 2017, 01:18:13 PM

You are a friend of N.J Burkett? But he is/was a poor actor of the 911 show just dressing up as an N.J. Burkett then. OK, I assume you are just an underpaid HR assistant of the bad show. Go away. You did your part of the show 16 years ago. You are note even funny anymore. I agree, the expensive show was TOP on 911 but today 16 years later it is ... 0.

But, the show just goes on. What will you invent now? I am stupid? A Holocaust denier? Homosexual? Terrorist?

I look forward to your next BS post!
I'm not going anywhere you fucking toad. You assume this, you assume that...that's your problem. You make assumptions and do shoddy research.

Mike

Sorry, my research is top class. Your foul language confirms you are an American twerp! Go away!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on August 12, 2017, 01:20:41 PM
shoddy research
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 12, 2017, 01:41:34 PM

You are a friend of N.J Burkett? But he is/was a poor actor of the 911 show just dressing up as an N.J. Burkett then. OK, I assume you are just an underpaid HR assistant of the bad show. Go away. You did your part of the show 16 years ago. You are note even funny anymore. I agree, the expensive show was TOP on 911 but today 16 years later it is ... 0.

But, the show just goes on. What will you invent now? I am stupid? A Holocaust denier? Homosexual? Terrorist?

I look forward to your next BS post!
I'm not going anywhere you fucking toad. You assume this, you assume that...that's your problem. You make assumptions and do shoddy research.

Mike

Sorry, my research is top class. Your foul language confirms you are an American twerp! Go away!
Top class my ass.  If you did top class research you wouldn't have be so lazy to just sit and watch TV to draw a conclusion.  It's just plain shoddy research and baseless conclusions.

BTW, I don't invent things.  Unlike you I won't accuse somebody of anything without proof.  Unlike you I won't come to conclusion without a basis in logic. 

You are a poor researcher and your lack of a proper investigation into the planes is proof.  You make assumptions that are frankly illogical.  You don't show a single bit of forensic evidence.  No pixelation, no video artifacts...only your opinion without a single thing to back up   It's why you have no credibility outside of your own mind.

You do shoddy research and unfairly claim people are terrorists and liars.  It's not fair, it's not right, and it isn't legal.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 12, 2017, 02:42:41 PM
I still admire those two TV teams on the ground at Manhattan filming and interviewing people when ... the towers collapse into dust in the background. I conclude that the film teams are fake and that the collapsing towers in the background are also fake.
I'm pretty sure that there were lots more than just two TV news teams on the ground in Manhattan filming at that time the towers came down.

Of course - they were all part of the great show!

Notice how the camera men manage to film the towers becoming dust! Actually it is trick films from A to Z.

That very fact that you believe you can tell the video is faked by watching on a common TV says a lot about you lack of technical rigor.  If those videos were faked by something with the necessary resources you would never be able to tell on a consumer TV set.  None of that occurred to you did it?

It's amazes me that you'd put so much work into your supposed analysis but did not even verify your suspicions about the video...and that's all you've got is suspicions.  Nothing but shoddy research to backup poor engineering.

Mike

Yes, I have done plenty research:

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1. The 9/11 imagery shown live on TV was nothing but a Hollywood-style film production, complete with actors in the role of 'eye-witnesses' or 'fire fighters', staged 'running crowds', 3D-compositing and special cinematic effects. The few clips featuring 'airplanes' (or dull silhouettes thereof) were computer-generated images. If you ask me who directed the movie I suggest James Cameron that made Titanic: "I realized that (the film) "Titanic" gave us help in interpreting the new disaster, in exploring the feelings of loss and anger."

2. No commercial airliners were hijacked or - much less - crashed into the WTC towers, the Pentagon or the Shanksville field. No valid/verifiable records exist for their airport logs/schedules, their numbered parts, their alleged passengers. Their reported speeds at near sea-level as well as the absurd visuals of their total, effortless disappearance into the WTC façades defy the laws of mechanics and physics. 

3. The World Trade Center Complex (9 buildings in all) were demolished with powerful explosives, while the Hollywood show was broadcasted on TV. The WTC 1&2 towers were then demolished from bottom up. The fast POUFF, POUFF top down collapses shown on TV producing dust and smoke were Hollywood style 3D-compositing and special cinematic effects. No structures can collapse as shown!

4. No "3000" people were trapped in the top floors/nor perished in the WTC towers. The buildings were empty!

Here are another four examples of the top collapse of the North Tower/WTC1 and what follows provided by NIST.

(roof drops at start of clip)
(roof drops at start of clip)
(roof drops at 1:10)
(roof drops at 5:07)

Note the following:

5. All four photographers are - for whatever reason - still roaming in the vicinity of the WTC complex at 10:28am (a full 29 minutes after the earlier WTC2 collapse at 9:59am). This, in spite of the officially reported 'total evacuation' of Lower Manhattan - which, reportedly, was initiated soon after the alleged "plane crashes" - one hour or so earlier.
 
6. All four photographers, no matter how far they are standing from each other / and from the WTC, are pretty much LATERALLY aligned with each other. The LATERAL perspectives of the four shots - although not perfectly identical - are quite remarkably similar.

7. All four photographers have their four camera-lenses coincidentally trained on the top of WTC1 - at a high zoom level (close-up view) - JUST as WTC1 started to fall. This, in spite of having no possible foreknowledge of the WTC1's sudden collapse - and in spite of WTC2 having collapsed 29 minutes earlier. They all just waited around for half-an-hour, a few hundred yards away from the WTC complex, filming away (undisturbed by the ongoing evacuation).

8. All four photographers (quite coincidentally...) decided to perform a manual or motorized zoom-out motion - within seconds of the WTC1 collapse initiations - and quite successfully so (all four zoom out motions being remarkably progressive and smooth - with minimal amounts of camera shake or motion blur).

9. All four photographers have nerves of steel - and remained calm and composed while all around them, screaming people were running away from the scene in dire panic.

Evidently all four videos are fakes! They are made in Hollywood! But by whom?

Source - http://heiwaco.com/nist.htm


I think my analysis is pretty good.
Your analysis sucks but it also seems your videos are gone from Youtube.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 12, 2017, 09:14:46 PM

Your analysis sucks but it also seems your videos are gone from Youtube.

If I recall, the videos I analysed were provided by NIST.  This happens to me all the time.

The Swedish government 2005/8 paid millions to some 'experts' to explain the 1994 sinking of M/S Estonia, which the incident investigators didn't do 1994/7. They just said the ship sank.

The 'experts" published all their reports on the internet around 2008 so they could be downloaded, studied and discussed, which I did. The 'experts' suggested that the principle of Archimedes didn't apply! However, now the reports are gone. I have actually contacted the new boss of the 'experts' twice. No reply.

People visiting my site get confused. What is going on? Two of them have actually left the country after having been harassed one way or other.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on August 12, 2017, 09:20:05 PM
shoddy research
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 12, 2017, 09:29:33 PM

If I recall, the videos I analysed were provided by NIST.  This happens to me all the time.



What, your inability to recall?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 13, 2017, 05:00:47 AM

Your analysis sucks but it also seems your videos are gone from Youtube.

If I recall, the videos I analysed were provided by NIST.  This happens to me all the time.

<snip>
That's bullshit.  These videos weren't released unit there was an FOIA request by the International Centers for 9/11 Studies.  They were released in 2010 and you had already done you so called analysis of the video years before that.  Is there no lie you will tell to support your shoddy research?

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbita mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 13, 2017, 06:30:59 AM

Your analysis sucks but it also seems your videos are gone from Youtube.

If I recall, the videos I analysed were provided by NIST.  This happens to me all the time.

<snip>
That's bullshit.  These videos weren't released unit there was an FOIA request by the International Centers for 9/11 Studies.  They were released in 2010 and you had already done you so called analysis of the video years before that.  Is there no lie you will tell to support your shoddy research?

Mike

Hm, I have examined 911 info since 2001 and then published my findings at http://heiwaco.com . So I analyzed the four 911 videos when I got hold of them, published my findings at my site and ... now the videos are no longer available. My research is not shoddy ... it is true, correct, honest and fair. I am quite proud of it.

It is like my M/S Estonia safety at sea research. I got involved 1994 and told the authorities that the visor story was BS. I knew the government 'expert'.

1996 the biggest daily newspaper in Sweden published an article by me about it. Result? Visit my website! The government's reply was that I was an idiot! What a reply! Soon after my governmen 'expert' friend expired.

1997 the government confirmed the visor story. I wrote some books about it, the matter was discussed in the Swedish parliament several times and 2005 it was decided to pay some 'experts' to explain how a ship sinks after losing a bow visor. All the parliament discussions are available at my website!
 
The 'experts' result was available 2008 on the Internet. The principle of Archimedes didn't apply! I analyzed it and published my results on my website on the Internet linking to the 'experts' reports. Soon after the 'shoddy' research result of the 'experts' was removed from the Internet.

Mike, just visit my website and read about it. Do not make stories about brothers and sisters of yours having seen Arabs flying planes into towers and that you are friends with the news reporters on the ground.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on August 13, 2017, 07:42:57 AM
shoddy research
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbita mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on August 13, 2017, 08:31:14 AM
Hm, I have examined 911 info since 2001 and then published my findings at http://heiwaco.com . So I analyzed the four 911 videos when I got hold of them, published my findings at my site and ... now the videos are no longer available. My research is not shoddy ... it is true, correct, honest and fair. I am quite proud of it.

<snip>
I couldn’t care less about your M/S Estonia, a-bomb, moon-hoax, or any other webpage.

There is a mountain of evidence proving the stone-cold fact that terrorists crashed 4 planes on 9/11; two of which were into the towers.  Your only evidence to the contrary is your eyes on a TV set.  Ignoring all the available evidence if favor of a non-scientific evaluation is the very definition of shoddy research.  Not to mention your accusations against specific people is illegal.

Lie all you want.  It doesn’t change the fact that you are wrong.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbita mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on August 13, 2017, 08:41:02 AM

Your analysis sucks but it also seems your videos are gone from Youtube.

If I recall, the videos I analysed were provided by NIST.  This happens to me all the time.

<snip>
That's bullshit.  These videos weren't released unit there was an FOIA request by the International Centers for 9/11 Studies.  They were released in 2010 and you had already done you so called analysis of the video years before that.  Is there no lie you will tell to support your shoddy research?

Mike

Hm, I have examined 911 info since 2001 and then published my findings at http://heiwaco.com . So I analyzed the four 911 videos when I got hold of them, published my findings at my site and ... now the videos are no longer available. My research is not shoddy ... it is true, correct, honest and fair. I am quite proud of it.

It is like my M/S Estonia safety at sea research. I got involved 1994 and told the authorities that the visor story was BS. I knew the government 'expert'.

1996 the biggest daily newspaper in Sweden published an article by me about it. Result? Visit my website! The government's reply was that I was an idiot! What a reply! Soon after my governmen 'expert' friend expired.

1997 the government confirmed the visor story. I wrote some books about it, the matter was discussed in the Swedish parliament several times and 2005 it was decided to pay some 'experts' to explain how a ship sinks after losing a bow visor. All the parliament discussions are available at my website!
 
The 'experts' result was available 2008 on the Internet. The principle of Archimedes didn't apply! I analyzed it and published my results on my website on the Internet linking to the 'experts' reports. Soon after the 'shoddy' research result of the 'experts' was removed from the Internet.

Mike, just visit my website and read about it. Do not make stories about brothers and sisters of yours having seen Arabs flying planes into towers and that you are friends with the news reporters on the ground.
And yet you still ignore all the eyewitness accounts.  Why don't you address that?  Are a million people lying?  I know people who saw the plane hit the tower, saw them come down.
Why don't you address the eyewitness accounts?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbita mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 13, 2017, 09:02:37 AM

Your analysis sucks but it also seems your videos are gone from Youtube.

If I recall, the videos I analysed were provided by NIST.  This happens to me all the time.

<snip>
That's bullshit.  These videos weren't released unit there was an FOIA request by the International Centers for 9/11 Studies.  They were released in 2010 and you had already done you so called analysis of the video years before that.  Is there no lie you will tell to support your shoddy research?

Mike

Hm, I have examined 911 info since 2001 and then published my findings at http://heiwaco.com . So I analyzed the four 911 videos when I got hold of them, published my findings at my site and ... now the videos are no longer available. My research is not shoddy ... it is true, correct, honest and fair. I am quite proud of it.

It is like my M/S Estonia safety at sea research. I got involved 1994 and told the authorities that the visor story was BS. I knew the government 'expert'.

1996 the biggest daily newspaper in Sweden published an article by me about it. Result? Visit my website! The government's reply was that I was an idiot! What a reply! Soon after my governmen 'expert' friend expired.

1997 the government confirmed the visor story. I wrote some books about it, the matter was discussed in the Swedish parliament several times and 2005 it was decided to pay some 'experts' to explain how a ship sinks after losing a bow visor. All the parliament discussions are available at my website!
 
The 'experts' result was available 2008 on the Internet. The principle of Archimedes didn't apply! I analyzed it and published my results on my website on the Internet linking to the 'experts' reports. Soon after the 'shoddy' research result of the 'experts' was removed from the Internet.

Mike, just visit my website and read about it. Do not make stories about brothers and sisters of yours having seen Arabs flying planes into towers and that you are friends with the news reporters on the ground.
And yet you still ignore all the eyewitness accounts.  Why don't you address that?  Are a million people lying?  I know people who saw the plane hit the tower, saw them come down.
Why don't you address the eyewitness accounts?

But there are no eyewitnesses that 19 Arabs hijacked four planes! Only GWB, Condileezza and CIA/FBI produced a list of them the next day and MSM media published it without any verification. And then millions of Americans read it and believed it. It is a tragic story http://heiwaco.com/911conspiracy.htm .

It seems that a 20th Arab has admitted after torture by CIA that he trained and paid the 19 others but I would also admit to such things being tortured. This Arab has not yet been prosecuted in a US court.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Sentinel on August 13, 2017, 09:19:58 AM
Thank god he stays in the lower fora, I honestly could bear with him like 5 minutes max.
Small pickings, I know.  :P
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbita mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 13, 2017, 09:26:25 AM


There is a mountain of evidence proving the stone-cold fact that terrorists crashed 4 planes on 9/11; two of which were into the towers. ...

Mike

Well, that mountain of evidence would not convince the TGI at Nice.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on August 13, 2017, 09:31:19 AM

Your analysis sucks but it also seems your videos are gone from Youtube.

If I recall, the videos I analysed were provided by NIST.  This happens to me all the time.

<snip>
That's bullshit.  These videos weren't released unit there was an FOIA request by the International Centers for 9/11 Studies.  They were released in 2010 and you had already done you so called analysis of the video years before that.  Is there no lie you will tell to support your shoddy research?

Mike

Hm, I have examined 911 info since 2001 and then published my findings at. So I analyzed the four 911 videos when I got hold of them, published my findings at my site and ... now the videos are no longer available. My research is not shoddy ... it is true, correct, honest and fair. I am quite proud of it.

It is like my M/S Estonia safety at sea research. I got involved 1994 and told the authorities that the visor story was BS. I knew the government 'expert'.

1996 the biggest daily newspaper in Sweden published an article by me about it. Result? Visit my website! The government's reply was that I was an idiot! What a reply! Soon after my governmen 'expert' friend expired.

1997 the government confirmed the visor story. I wrote some books about it, the matter was discussed in the Swedish parliament several times and 2005 it was decided to pay some 'experts' to explain how a ship sinks after losing a bow visor. All the parliament discussions are available at my shitsite!
 
The 'experts' result was available 2008 on the Internet. The principle of Archimedes didn't apply! I analyzed it and published my results on my website on the Internet linking to the 'experts' reports. Soon after the 'shoddy' research result of the 'experts' was removed from the Internet.

Mike, just visit my website and read about it. Do not make stories about brothers and sisters of yours having seen Arabs flying planes into towers and that you are friends with the news reporters on the ground.
And yet you still ignore all the eyewitness accounts.  Why don't you address that?  Are a million people lying?  I know people who saw the plane hit the tower, saw them come down.
Why don't you address the eyewitness accounts?

But there are no eyewitnesses that 19 Arabs hijacked four planes! Only GWB, Condileezza and CIA/FBI produced a list of them the next day and MSM media published it without any verification. And then millions of Americans read it and believed it. It is a tragic story http://shitsite.com/911conspiracy.htm .

It seems that a 20th Arab has admitted after torture by CIA that he trained and paid the 19 others but I would also admit to such things being tortured. This Arab has not yet been prosecuted in a US court.

Do you think we can's see your juvenile deflection tactic? The question was about the eyewitness account of the planes hitting the towers.


shoddy research
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbita mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on August 13, 2017, 09:34:10 AM

Your analysis sucks but it also seems your videos are gone from Youtube.

If I recall, the videos I analysed were provided by NIST.  This happens to me all the time.

<snip>
That's bullshit.  These videos weren't released unit there was an FOIA request by the International Centers for 9/11 Studies.  They were released in 2010 and you had already done you so called analysis of the video years before that.  Is there no lie you will tell to support your shoddy research?

Mike

Hm, I have examined 911 info since 2001 and then published my findings at http://heiwaco.com . So I analyzed the four 911 videos when I got hold of them, published my findings at my site and ... now the videos are no longer available. My research is not shoddy ... it is true, correct, honest and fair. I am quite proud of it.

It is like my M/S Estonia safety at sea research. I got involved 1994 and told the authorities that the visor story was BS. I knew the government 'expert'.

1996 the biggest daily newspaper in Sweden published an article by me about it. Result? Visit my website! The government's reply was that I was an idiot! What a reply! Soon after my governmen 'expert' friend expired.

1997 the government confirmed the visor story. I wrote some books about it, the matter was discussed in the Swedish parliament several times and 2005 it was decided to pay some 'experts' to explain how a ship sinks after losing a bow visor. All the parliament discussions are available at my website!
 
The 'experts' result was available 2008 on the Internet. The principle of Archimedes didn't apply! I analyzed it and published my results on my website on the Internet linking to the 'experts' reports. Soon after the 'shoddy' research result of the 'experts' was removed from the Internet.

Mike, just visit my website and read about it. Do not make stories about brothers and sisters of yours having seen Arabs flying planes into towers and that you are friends with the news reporters on the ground.
And yet you still ignore all the eyewitness accounts.  Why don't you address that?  Are a million people lying?  I know people who saw the plane hit the tower, saw them come down.
Why don't you address the eyewitness accounts?

But there are no eyewitnesses that 19 Arabs hijacked four planes! Only GWB, Condileezza and CIA/FBI produced a list of them the next day and MSM media published it without any verification. And then millions of Americans read it and believed it. It is a tragic story http://heiwaco.com/911conspiracy.htm .

It seems that a 20th Arab has admitted after torture by CIA that he trained and paid the 19 others but I would also admit to such things being tortured. This Arab has not yet been prosecuted in a US court.
Focus.  I said eyewitness to the planes hitting and the towers falling.  Address that.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbita mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 13, 2017, 09:39:02 AM

Your analysis sucks but it also seems your videos are gone from Youtube.

If I recall, the videos I analysed were provided by NIST.  This happens to me all the time.

<snip>
That's bullshit.  These videos weren't released unit there was an FOIA request by the International Centers for 9/11 Studies.  They were released in 2010 and you had already done you so called analysis of the video years before that.  Is there no lie you will tell to support your shoddy research?

Mike

Hm, I have examined 911 info since 2001 and then published my findings at http://heiwaco.com . So I analyzed the four 911 videos when I got hold of them, published my findings at my site and ... now the videos are no longer available. My research is not shoddy ... it is true, correct, honest and fair. I am quite proud of it.

It is like my M/S Estonia safety at sea research. I got involved 1994 and told the authorities that the visor story was BS. I knew the government 'expert'.

1996 the biggest daily newspaper in Sweden published an article by me about it. Result? Visit my website! The government's reply was that I was an idiot! What a reply! Soon after my governmen 'expert' friend expired.

1997 the government confirmed the visor story. I wrote some books about it, the matter was discussed in the Swedish parliament several times and 2005 it was decided to pay some 'experts' to explain how a ship sinks after losing a bow visor. All the parliament discussions are available at my website!
 
The 'experts' result was available 2008 on the Internet. The principle of Archimedes didn't apply! I analyzed it and published my results on my website on the Internet linking to the 'experts' reports. Soon after the 'shoddy' research result of the 'experts' was removed from the Internet.

Mike, just visit my website and read about it. Do not make stories about brothers and sisters of yours having seen Arabs flying planes into towers and that you are friends with the news reporters on the ground.
And yet you still ignore all the eyewitness accounts.  Why don't you address that?  Are a million people lying?  I know people who saw the plane hit the tower, saw them come down.
Why don't you address the eyewitness accounts?

But there are no eyewitnesses that 19 Arabs hijacked four planes! Only GWB, Condileezza and CIA/FBI produced a list of them the next day and MSM media published it without any verification. And then millions of Americans read it and believed it. It is a tragic story http://heiwaco.com/911conspiracy.htm .

It seems that a 20th Arab has admitted after torture by CIA that he trained and paid the 19 others but I would also admit to such things being tortured. This Arab has not yet been prosecuted in a US court.
Focus.  I said eyewitness to the planes hitting and the towers falling.  Address that.
I do it at http://heiwaco.com/AB911story.htm . I should add that IMHO only twerps believe the US official story about Arabs.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbita mechanics
Post by: Twerp on August 13, 2017, 09:47:05 AM

Your analysis sucks but it also seems your videos are gone from Youtube.

If I recall, the videos I analysed were provided by NIST.  This happens to me all the time.

<snip>
That's bullshit.  These videos weren't released unit there was an FOIA request by the International Centers for 9/11 Studies.  They were released in 2010 and you had already done you so called analysis of the video years before that.  Is there no lie you will tell to support your shoddy research?

Mike

Hm, I have examined 911 info since 2001 and then published my findings at http://heiwaco.com . So I analyzed the four 911 videos when I got hold of them, published my findings at my site and ... now the videos are no longer available. My research is not shoddy ... it is true, correct, honest and fair. I am quite proud of it.

It is like my M/S Estonia safety at sea research. I got involved 1994 and told the authorities that the visor story was BS. I knew the government 'expert'.

1996 the biggest daily newspaper in Sweden published an article by me about it. Result? Visit my website! The government's reply was that I was an idiot! What a reply! Soon after my governmen 'expert' friend expired.

1997 the government confirmed the visor story. I wrote some books about it, the matter was discussed in the Swedish parliament several times and 2005 it was decided to pay some 'experts' to explain how a ship sinks after losing a bow visor. All the parliament discussions are available at my website!
 
The 'experts' result was available 2008 on the Internet. The principle of Archimedes didn't apply! I analyzed it and published my results on my website on the Internet linking to the 'experts' reports. Soon after the 'shoddy' research result of the 'experts' was removed from the Internet.

Mike, just visit my website and read about it. Do not make stories about brothers and sisters of yours having seen Arabs flying planes into towers and that you are friends with the news reporters on the ground.
And yet you still ignore all the eyewitness accounts.  Why don't you address that?  Are a million people lying?  I know people who saw the plane hit the tower, saw them come down.
Why don't you address the eyewitness accounts?

But there are no eyewitnesses that 19 Arabs hijacked four planes! Only GWB, Condileezza and CIA/FBI produced a list of them the next day and MSM media published it without any verification. And then millions of Americans read it and believed it. It is a tragic story http://heiwaco.com/911conspiracy.htm .

It seems that a 20th Arab has admitted after torture by CIA that he trained and paid the 19 others but I would also admit to such things being tortured. This Arab has not yet been prosecuted in a US court.
Focus.  I said eyewitness to the planes hitting and the towers falling.  Address that.
I do it at http://shitsite.com/AB911story.htm . I should add that IMHO only twerps believe the US official story about Arabs.

Checked out your link. Did not find anything addressing the millions of eyewitness accounts. Please address that here. Thanks!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbita mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on August 13, 2017, 09:53:40 AM


There is a mountain of evidence proving the stone-cold fact that terrorists crashed 4 planes on 9/11; two of which were into the towers. ...

Mike

Well, that mountain of evidence would not convince the TGI at Nice.
In any court system on the planet the presumption will be in favor of the official government account which puts the burden of proof on the defendant.  You are delusional if you believe if you believe otherwise. 

You make the claim certain people are the terrorists complicit in bringing down the towers.  This is a case of libel and as such the burden of proof is on the plaintiff who is disputing the claim.  Since the presumption of the court will be in favor of the official accounts that even the International Criminal Court has already accepted, the burden of proof then shifts to you.

Your shoddy research has put you at risk for anyone who cares to sue you.  That makes you a liability nightmare and another reason why AE911Truth and every credible engineer on the planet wants nothing to do with you.  It’s a good freakin’ thing nobody actually reads your website.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbita mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 13, 2017, 10:10:51 AM


There is a mountain of evidence proving the stone-cold fact that terrorists crashed 4 planes on 9/11; two of which were into the towers. ...

Mike

Well, that mountain of evidence would not convince the TGI at Nice.
In any court system on the planet the presumption will be in favor of the official government account which puts the burden of proof on the defendant.  You are delusional if you believe if you believe otherwise. 

You make the claim certain people are the terrorists complicit in bringing down the towers.  This is a case of libel and as such the burden of proof is on the plaintiff who is disputing the claim.  Since the presumption of the court will be in favor of the official accounts that even the International Criminal Court has already accepted, the burden of proof then shifts to you.

Your shoddy research has put you at risk for anyone who cares to sue you.  That makes you a liability nightmare and another reason why AE911Truth and every credible engineer on the planet wants nothing to do with you.  It’s a good freakin’ thing nobody actually reads your website.

Mike

Well, my legal counsel are of a different opinion. Anyone who assisted destroying the WTC at NY in any way is a terrorist ... and I mention a few at my site ... and none is Arab!

Re my site just today Sunday 13 Aug 2017, 19.08 hrs there were 1 837 pageloads and 1 629 visitors of which 50 were repeat visitors. I will probably have >2 000 visitors today before midnight.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on August 13, 2017, 10:14:31 AM
Note to everyone:

Hewia changes the title of his posts so if you're responding to him you might want to consider amending the title so it aligns with the thread title.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 13, 2017, 10:14:41 AM

Checked out your link. Did not find anything addressing the millions of eyewitness accounts. Please address that here. Thanks!

Hm, you have to use your brain. There is no eyewitness who has seen any Arab hijacking a plane on 911. Any person saying he/she has seen an Arab hijacking a plane on that day is a liar.

BTW - this thread started about orbital mechanics - how to travel to the Moon and that I could not understand it. See post #1. And still noone has calculated how much fuel you need, what trajectory to chose and how long it will take.

Some people think the trajectory is a straight line, others talks about a hyperbolic, variable speed route, but noone can say how to do it.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on August 13, 2017, 10:21:31 AM

Checked out your link. Did not find anything addressing the millions of eyewitness accounts. Please address that here. Thanks!

Hm, you have to use your brain. There is no eyewitness who has seen any Arab hijacking a plane on 911. Any person saying he/she has seen an Arab hijacking a plane on that day is a liar.

Hm. The stupidity of this response is on display for all to see. The millions of eyewitnesses obviously did not see "Arabs hijacking a plane." What they did see was the planes flying into the towers and the towers coming down. You have not addressed this. Please do.


shoddy research
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 13, 2017, 10:30:35 AM

Checked out your link. Did not find anything addressing the millions of eyewitness accounts. Please address that here. Thanks!

Hm, you have to use your brain. There is no eyewitness who has seen any Arab hijacking a plane on 911. Any person saying he/she has seen an Arab hijacking a plane on that day is a liar.

Hm. The stupidity of this response is on display for all to see. The millions of eyewitnesses obviously did not see "Arabs hijacking a plane." What they did see was the planes flying into the towers and the towers coming down. You have not addressed this. Please do.


shoddy research

Hm, the question remains were there any Arabs aboard? I am certain no eyewitness saw any Arabs flying into the towers.
There is plenty footage of the towers coming down in fountains of smoke and dust. It is very easy to prove that such footage is CGI. If anyone saw fountains of smoke and dust on 911 he/she is lying. Structures do not collapse producing fountains of smoke and dust.
Maybe people saw something else.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on August 13, 2017, 10:37:35 AM

Checked out your link. Did not find anything addressing the millions of eyewitness accounts. Please address that here. Thanks!

Hm, you have to use your brain. There is no eyewitness who has seen any Arab hijacking a plane on 911. Any person saying he/she has seen an Arab hijacking a plane on that day is a liar.

Hm. The stupidity of this response is on display for all to see. The millions of eyewitnesses obviously did not see "Arabs hijacking a plane." What they did see was the planes flying into the towers and the towers coming down. You have not addressed this. Please do.


shoddy research

Hm, the question remains were there any Arabs aboard? I am certain no eyewitness saw any Arabs flying into the towers.
There is plenty footage of the towers coming down in fountains of smoke and dust. It is very easy to prove that such footage is CGI. If anyone saw fountains of smoke and dust on 911 he/she is lying. Structures do not collapse producing fountains of smoke and dust.
Maybe people saw something else.

You are extraordinarily obtuse. Whether there were any Arabs on board may be a question, but it's not the one being asked of you.

You claimed the planes and the towers coming down are CGI.

The question being asked of you is, if that's the case, what is your response to the millions of eyewitnesses? Please respond to the question being asked.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Papa Legba on August 13, 2017, 10:43:07 AM
Note to everyone:

Hewia changes the title of his posts so if you're responding to him you might want to consider amending the title so it aligns with the thread title.

Heiwa is changing it back to the original thread title.

The title was changed a few weeks back to it's current state.

Which was a very dishonest thing to do, yet none of you REtard scum objected to it.

You did not object to it because you are, of course, scum.

Oh, & AECOM did 9/11 - see them in court!

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 13, 2017, 11:16:34 AM

Checked out your link. Did not find anything addressing the millions of eyewitness accounts. Please address that here. Thanks!

Hm, you have to use your brain. There is no eyewitness who has seen any Arab hijacking a plane on 911. Any person saying he/she has seen an Arab hijacking a plane on that day is a liar.

Hm. The stupidity of this response is on display for all to see. The millions of eyewitnesses obviously did not see "Arabs hijacking a plane." What they did see was the planes flying into the towers and the towers coming down. You have not addressed this. Please do.


shoddy research

Hm, the question remains were there any Arabs aboard? I am certain no eyewitness saw any Arabs flying into the towers.
There is plenty footage of the towers coming down in fountains of smoke and dust. It is very easy to prove that such footage is CGI. If anyone saw fountains of smoke and dust on 911 he/she is lying. Structures do not collapse producing fountains of smoke and dust.
Maybe people saw something else.

You are extraordinarily obtuse. Whether there were any Arabs on board may be a question, but it's not the one being asked of you.

You claimed the planes and the towers coming down are CGI.

The question being asked of you is, if that's the case, what is your response to the millions of eyewitnesses? Please respond to the question being asked.
I am not obtuse. I am clear and concise! All footage of planes hitting WTC1/2 and WTC1/2 collapsing in fountains of smoke and dust are CGI/fakery/trick films, IMHO. Easy to prove with my technical background and experiences. I can do it in a court of justice.
I don't know the number of eyewitnesses - millions - but any eyewitness saying he/she saw planes slicing into the WTC1/2 towers that then collapsed in fountains of smoke and dust is simply lying. Any person saying he knows such an eyewitness is also lying.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbita mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on August 13, 2017, 11:21:04 AM


There is a mountain of evidence proving the stone-cold fact that terrorists crashed 4 planes on 9/11; two of which were into the towers. ...

Mike

Well, that mountain of evidence would not convince the TGI at Nice.
In any court system on the planet the presumption will be in favor of the official government account which puts the burden of proof on the defendant.  You are delusional if you believe if you believe otherwise. 

You make the claim certain people are the terrorists complicit in bringing down the towers.  This is a case of libel and as such the burden of proof is on the plaintiff who is disputing the claim.  Since the presumption of the court will be in favor of the official accounts that even the International Criminal Court has already accepted, the burden of proof then shifts to you.

Your shoddy research has put you at risk for anyone who cares to sue you.  That makes you a liability nightmare and another reason why AE911Truth and every credible engineer on the planet wants nothing to do with you.  It’s a good freakin’ thing nobody actually reads your website.

Mike

Well, my legal counsel are of a different opinion. Anyone who assisted destroying the WTC at NY in any way is a terrorist ... and I mention a few at my site ... and none is Arab!

Re my site just today Sunday 13 Aug 2017, 19.08 hrs there were 1 837 pageloads and 1 629 visitors of which 50 were repeat visitors. I will probably have >2 000 visitors today before midnight.
The nationality of the terrorists is not my point.  My point is you're wrong and there were actually planes...regardless of who what flying or whether or not they were the reasons for the collapse, those planes hit the towers.

At that rate, in a year you'll what most webpages most forum webpages do in a week.  How many of those visitors are search bots and how many page views per visit do you get. 

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on August 13, 2017, 12:51:10 PM

Checked out your link. Did not find anything addressing the millions of eyewitness accounts. Please address that here. Thanks!

Hm, you have to use your brain. There is no eyewitness who has seen any Arab hijacking a plane on 911. Any person saying he/she has seen an Arab hijacking a plane on that day is a liar.

Hm. The stupidity of this response is on display for all to see. The millions of eyewitnesses obviously did not see "Arabs hijacking a plane." What they did see was the planes flying into the towers and the towers coming down. You have not addressed this. Please do.


shoddy research

Hm, the question remains were there any Arabs aboard? I am certain no eyewitness saw any Arabs flying into the towers.
There is plenty footage of the towers coming down in fountains of smoke and dust. It is very easy to prove that such footage is CGI. If anyone saw fountains of smoke and dust on 911 he/she is lying. Structures do not collapse producing fountains of smoke and dust.
Maybe people saw something else.

You are extraordinarily obtuse. Whether there were any Arabs on board may be a question, but it's not the one being asked of you.

You claimed the planes and the towers coming down are CGI.

The question being asked of you is, if that's the case, what is your response to the millions of eyewitnesses? Please respond to the question being asked.
I am not obtuse. I am clear and concise! All footage of planes hitting WTC1/2 and WTC1/2 collapsing in fountains of smoke and dust are CGI/fakery/trick films, IMHO. Easy to prove with my technical background and experiences. I can do it in a court of justice.
I don't know the number of eyewitnesses - millions - but any eyewitness saying he/she saw planes slicing into the WTC1/2 towers that then collapsed in fountains of smoke and dust is simply lying. Any person saying he knows such an eyewitness is also lying.

You are obtuse as it took you a page and a half of posting before you actually addressed the question being asked. And your answer is ridiculous. You think your analysis of some footage you saw on TV is grounds for dismissing millions of eyewitnesses, and hundreds of personal accounts. You say you can easily prove your claim in a court of justice. Well even if you could prove that all the professional and amateur footage of that event was fake, which you couldn't, you would still have all the eyewitness accounts which the court considers as evidence. Dismissing it with a wave of your hand may work in your imagination and on your joke of a website, but it sure would not work in a court of justice. Your knowledge of the law and how courts work is woefully naive. (Which is why you think the US wants to give you the death penalty for spewing your nonsense about atomic bombs)
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbita mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 13, 2017, 01:15:21 PM


There is a mountain of evidence proving the stone-cold fact that terrorists crashed 4 planes on 9/11; two of which were into the towers. ...

Mike

Well, that mountain of evidence would not convince the TGI at Nice.
In any court system on the planet the presumption will be in favor of the official government account which puts the burden of proof on the defendant.  You are delusional if you believe if you believe otherwise. 

You make the claim certain people are the terrorists complicit in bringing down the towers.  This is a case of libel and as such the burden of proof is on the plaintiff who is disputing the claim.  Since the presumption of the court will be in favor of the official accounts that even the International Criminal Court has already accepted, the burden of proof then shifts to you.

Your shoddy research has put you at risk for anyone who cares to sue you.  That makes you a liability nightmare and another reason why AE911Truth and every credible engineer on the planet wants nothing to do with you.  It’s a good freakin’ thing nobody actually reads your website.

Mike

Well, my legal counsel are of a different opinion. Anyone who assisted destroying the WTC at NY in any way is a terrorist ... and I mention a few at my site ... and none is Arab!

Re my site just today Sunday 13 Aug 2017, 19.08 hrs there were 1 837 pageloads and 1 629 visitors of which 50 were repeat visitors. I will probably have >2 000 visitors today before midnight.
The nationality of the terrorists is not my point.  My point is you're wrong and there were actually planes...regardless of who what flying or whether or not they were the reasons for the collapse, those planes hit the towers.

At that rate, in a year you'll what most webpages most forum webpages do in a week.  How many of those visitors are search bots and how many page views per visit do you get. 

Mike

You are a twerp, Mike. You didn't see any planes or collapses but maybe your brother, sister and brother-in-law did. You believe in propaganda. And you lie about it. Nobody can take you seriously.

Re my website the stat program only registers real visitors excl. me. Search engines are ignored. Why are you curious. It is very easy to create a website. Problem is to attract attention. It seems I get most of my visitors via word of mouth.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbita mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 13, 2017, 01:27:40 PM

 It seems I get most of my visitors via word of mouth.



Word of mouth :  "Hey, check out this train wreck !!!"
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 13, 2017, 01:32:50 PM

Checked out your link. Did not find anything addressing the millions of eyewitness accounts. Please address that here. Thanks!

Hm, you have to use your brain. There is no eyewitness who has seen any Arab hijacking a plane on 911. Any person saying he/she has seen an Arab hijacking a plane on that day is a liar.

Hm. The stupidity of this response is on display for all to see. The millions of eyewitnesses obviously did not see "Arabs hijacking a plane." What they did see was the planes flying into the towers and the towers coming down. You have not addressed this. Please do.


shoddy research

Hm, the question remains were there any Arabs aboard? I am certain no eyewitness saw any Arabs flying into the towers.
There is plenty footage of the towers coming down in fountains of smoke and dust. It is very easy to prove that such footage is CGI. If anyone saw fountains of smoke and dust on 911 he/she is lying. Structures do not collapse producing fountains of smoke and dust.
Maybe people saw something else.

You are extraordinarily obtuse. Whether there were any Arabs on board may be a question, but it's not the one being asked of you.

You claimed the planes and the towers coming down are CGI.

The question being asked of you is, if that's the case, what is your response to the millions of eyewitnesses? Please respond to the question being asked.
I am not obtuse. I am clear and concise! All footage of planes hitting WTC1/2 and WTC1/2 collapsing in fountains of smoke and dust are CGI/fakery/trick films, IMHO. Easy to prove with my technical background and experiences. I can do it in a court of justice.
I don't know the number of eyewitnesses - millions - but any eyewitness saying he/she saw planes slicing into the WTC1/2 towers that then collapsed in fountains of smoke and dust is simply lying. Any person saying he knows such an eyewitness is also lying.

You are obtuse as it took you a page and a half of posting before you actually addressed the question being asked. And your answer is ridiculous. You think your analysis of some footage you saw on TV is grounds for dismissing millions of eyewitnesses, and hundreds of personal accounts. You say you can easily prove your claim in a court of justice. Well even if you could prove that all the professional and amateur footage of that event was fake, which you couldn't, you would still have all the eyewitness accounts which the court considers as evidence. Dismissing it with a wave of your hand may work in your imagination and on your joke of a website, but it sure would not work in a court of justice. Your knowledge of the law and how courts work is woefully naive. (Which is why you think the US wants to give you the death penalty for spewing your nonsense about atomic bombs)

Hm, maybe you are slow to understand what I have written since many years at my website. Atomic bombs 1945 were fake news. They never exploded over Japan 1945. It was all propaganda. POTUS Trump is surprised about it today 2017. Donald cannot wipe out N.Korea. Better to play golf at NJ. What a stupid vaccation. Golf at NJ.

It was followed by the fake space race 1958/72. No Gagaring orbited Earth and no Americans went to the Moon. It was a great show. 100% Americans believed two asstroshits were pissing on the Moon 1969. It is the topic of this thread.

911 was just another fake news show. No Arabs, no planes, no top down collapses. It was all a great show. Done by American terrorists. No doubt about it.

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbita mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on August 13, 2017, 01:52:26 PM


There is a mountain of evidence proving the stone-cold fact that terrorists crashed 4 planes on 9/11; two of which were into the towers. ...

Mike

Well, that mountain of evidence would not convince the TGI at Nice.
In any court system on the planet the presumption will be in favor of the official government account which puts the burden of proof on the defendant.  You are delusional if you believe if you believe otherwise. 

You make the claim certain people are the terrorists complicit in bringing down the towers.  This is a case of libel and as such the burden of proof is on the plaintiff who is disputing the claim.  Since the presumption of the court will be in favor of the official accounts that even the International Criminal Court has already accepted, the burden of proof then shifts to you.

Your shoddy research has put you at risk for anyone who cares to sue you.  That makes you a liability nightmare and another reason why AE911Truth and every credible engineer on the planet wants nothing to do with you.  It’s a good freakin’ thing nobody actually reads your website.

Mike

Well, my legal counsel are of a different opinion. Anyone who assisted destroying the WTC at NY in any way is a terrorist ... and I mention a few at my site ... and none is Arab!

Re my site just today Sunday 13 Aug 2017, 19.08 hrs there were 1 837 pageloads and 1 629 visitors of which 50 were repeat visitors. I will probably have >2 000 visitors today before midnight.
The nationality of the terrorists is not my point.  My point is you're wrong and there were actually planes...regardless of who what flying or whether or not they were the reasons for the collapse, those planes hit the towers.

At that rate, in a year you'll what most webpages most forum webpages do in a week.  How many of those visitors are search bots and how many page views per visit do you get. 

Mike

You are a twerp, Mike. You didn't see any planes or collapses but maybe your brother, sister and brother-in-law did. You believe in propaganda. And you lie about it. Nobody can take you seriously.

Re my website the stat program only registers real visitors excl. me. Search engines are ignored. Why are you curious. It is very easy to create a website. Problem is to attract attention. It seems I get most of my visitors via word of mouth.

You are correct.  I didn't see the planes or the collapse...other than on TV that is.  And yes, my brother did and I have friends that did.  My brother-in-law didn't and I never mentioned my sister but she didn't either. 

You are calling my brother, my friends, and a million+ people liars because you watched it on TV.  It really is shoddy research.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on August 13, 2017, 02:00:25 PM

Checked out your link. Did not find anything addressing the millions of eyewitness accounts. Please address that here. Thanks!

Hm, you have to use your brain. There is no eyewitness who has seen any Arab hijacking a plane on 911. Any person saying he/she has seen an Arab hijacking a plane on that day is a liar.

Hm. The stupidity of this response is on display for all to see. The millions of eyewitnesses obviously did not see "Arabs hijacking a plane." What they did see was the planes flying into the towers and the towers coming down. You have not addressed this. Please do.


shoddy research

Hm, the question remains were there any Arabs aboard? I am certain no eyewitness saw any Arabs flying into the towers.
There is plenty footage of the towers coming down in fountains of smoke and dust. It is very easy to prove that such footage is CGI. If anyone saw fountains of smoke and dust on 911 he/she is lying. Structures do not collapse producing fountains of smoke and dust.
Maybe people saw something else.

You are extraordinarily obtuse. Whether there were any Arabs on board may be a question, but it's not the one being asked of you.

You claimed the planes and the towers coming down are CGI.

The question being asked of you is, if that's the case, what is your response to the millions of eyewitnesses? Please respond to the question being asked.
I am not obtuse. I am clear and concise! All footage of planes hitting WTC1/2 and WTC1/2 collapsing in fountains of smoke and dust are CGI/fakery/trick films, IMHO. Easy to prove with my technical background and experiences. I can do it in a court of justice.
I don't know the number of eyewitnesses - millions - but any eyewitness saying he/she saw planes slicing into the WTC1/2 towers that then collapsed in fountains of smoke and dust is simply lying. Any person saying he knows such an eyewitness is also lying.

You are obtuse as it took you a page and a half of posting before you actually addressed the question being asked. And your answer is ridiculous. You think your analysis of some footage you saw on TV is grounds for dismissing millions of eyewitnesses, and hundreds of personal accounts. You say you can easily prove your claim in a court of justice. Well even if you could prove that all the professional and amateur footage of that event was fake, which you couldn't, you would still have all the eyewitness accounts which the court considers as evidence. Dismissing it with a wave of your hand may work in your imagination and on your joke of a website, but it sure would not work in a court of justice. Your knowledge of the law and how courts work is woefully naive. (Which is why you think the US wants to give you the death penalty for spewing your nonsense about atomic bombs)

Hm, maybe you are slow to understand what I have written since many years at my website. Atomic bombs 1945 were fake news. They never exploded over Japan 1945. It was all propaganda. POTUS Trump is surprised about it today 2017. Donald cannot wipe out N.Korea. Better to play golf at NJ. What a stupid vaccation. Golf at NJ.

It was followed by the fake space race 1958/72. No Gagaring orbited Earth and no Americans went to the Moon. It was a great show. 100% Americans believed two asstroshits were pissing on the Moon 1969. It is the topic of this thread.

911 was just another fake news show. No Arabs, no planes, no top down collapses. It was all a great show. Done by American terrorists. No doubt about it.

You are completely unable to comprehend anything which disagrees with whatever it is you want to believe. Please don't project that onto me!

You have no answer for the eyewitnesses of the planes and the towers coming down. Or for all the amateur videos and photos that were taken.

shoddy research
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on August 13, 2017, 02:27:04 PM

Checked out your link. Did not find anything addressing the millions of eyewitness accounts. Please address that here. Thanks!

Hm, you have to use your brain. There is no eyewitness who has seen any Arab hijacking a plane on 911. Any person saying he/she has seen an Arab hijacking a plane on that day is a liar.

BTW - this thread started about orbital mechanics - how to travel to the Moon and that I could not understand it. See post #1. And still noone has calculated how much fuel you need, what trajectory to chose and how long it will take.

Some people think the trajectory is a straight line, others talks about a hyperbolic, variable speed route, but noone can say how to do it.
Why are you ignoring the question of witnesses?  No on one asked about the hijackers.  Please address that issue.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Papa Legba on August 13, 2017, 04:55:06 PM
AECOM did 9/11:

http://www.aecom.com/us/projects/pentagon/?qp=475

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tishman_Realty_%26_Construction

They made billions out of it too!

So now you know.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on August 13, 2017, 05:52:39 PM
Note to everyone:

Hewia changes the title of his posts so if you're responding to him you might want to consider amending the title so it aligns with the thread title.

Heiwa is changing it back to the original thread title.

The title was changed a few weeks back to it's current state.

Which was a very dishonest thing to do, yet none of you REtard scum objected to it.

You did not object to it because you are, of course, scum.

Oh, & AECOM did 9/11 - see them in court!

I normally don't respond to you because you're an idiot. Heiwa is too, but responding to him is more fun.

Not only did I not object to the name change, I suggested how it could be done.

The reason the name change became necessary is because Heiwa couldn't stay on topic and was constantly talking about poop.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbita mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on August 13, 2017, 07:33:08 PM

Your analysis sucks but it also seems your videos are gone from Youtube.

If I recall, the videos I analysed were provided by NIST.  This happens to me all the time.

<snip>
That's bullshit.  These videos weren't released unit there was an FOIA request by the International Centers for 9/11 Studies.  They were released in 2010 and you had already done you so called analysis of the video years before that.  Is there no lie you will tell to support your shoddy research?

Mike

Hm, I have examined 911 info since 2001 and then published my findings at http://heiwaco.com . So I analyzed the four 911 videos when I got hold of them, published my findings at my site and ... now the videos are no longer available. My research is not shoddy ... it is true, correct, honest and fair. I am quite proud of it.

It is like my M/S Estonia safety at sea research. I got involved 1994 and told the authorities that the visor story was BS. I knew the government 'expert'.

1996 the biggest daily newspaper in Sweden published an article by me about it. Result? Visit my website! The government's reply was that I was an idiot! What a reply! Soon after my governmen 'expert' friend expired.

1997 the government confirmed the visor story. I wrote some books about it, the matter was discussed in the Swedish parliament several times and 2005 it was decided to pay some 'experts' to explain how a ship sinks after losing a bow visor. All the parliament discussions are available at my website!
 
The 'experts' result was available 2008 on the Internet. The principle of Archimedes didn't apply! I analyzed it and published my results on my website on the Internet linking to the 'experts' reports. Soon after the 'shoddy' research result of the 'experts' was removed from the Internet.

Mike, just visit my website and read about it. Do not make stories about brothers and sisters of yours having seen Arabs flying planes into towers and that you are friends with the news reporters on the ground.
And yet you still ignore all the eyewitness accounts.  Why don't you address that?  Are a million people lying?  I know people who saw the plane hit the tower, saw them come down.
Why don't you address the eyewitness accounts?

But there are no eyewitnesses that 19 Arabs hijacked four planes! Only GWB, Condileezza and CIA/FBI produced a list of them the next day and MSM media published it without any verification. And then millions of Americans read it and believed it. It is a tragic story http://heiwaco.com/911conspiracy.htm .

It seems that a 20th Arab has admitted after torture by CIA that he trained and paid the 19 others but I would also admit to such things being tortured. This Arab has not yet been prosecuted in a US court.
Focus.  I said eyewitness to the planes hitting and the towers falling.  Address that.
I do it at http://heiwaco.com/AB911story.htm . I should add that IMHO only twerps believe the US official story about Arabs.
Who said anything about arabs?  I asked about the eyewitnesses who saw the planes hit and the towers fall.  Thousands upon thousands of them. 
You really are afraid of this subject aren't you?  You have failed again.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbita mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 13, 2017, 10:56:52 PM

Who said anything about arabs?  I asked about the eyewitnesses who saw the planes hit and the towers fall.  Thousands upon thousands of them. 
You really are afraid of this subject aren't you?  You have failed again.

GWB, Condoleezze & Co said a lot about arabs the days after 911. Re eyewitnesses pls provide the list of a million eyewitnesses and what they saw in detail and I can check it too even if it will take time.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbita mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on August 14, 2017, 01:40:33 AM

Who said anything about arabs?  I asked about the eyewitnesses who saw the planes hit and the towers fall.  Thousands upon thousands of them. 
You really are afraid of this subject aren't you?  You have failed again.

GWB, Condoleezze & Co said a lot about arabs the days after 911. Re eyewitnesses pls provide the list of a million eyewitnesses and what they saw in detail and I can check it too even if it will take time.
I'll believe you'll do it when I see it because you could have Googled it yourself but here goes.  The following are organizations that can get you in touch with as many witnesses to 9/11 as want as well and surviving family members of the tower collapse and plane crashes.

World Trade Center Survivors' Network
http://www.survivorsnet.org/

Support Resources - 9/11 Groups - Families of September 11
http://www.familiesofseptember11.org/resources.aspx?s=10

I'll talk to my brother and friends...that is if you actually going to do it.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 14, 2017, 03:55:36 AM

Who said anything about arabs?  I asked about the eyewitnesses who saw the planes hit and the towers fall.  Thousands upon thousands of them. 
You really are afraid of this subject aren't you?  You have failed again.

GWB, Condoleezze & Co said a lot about arabs the days after 911. Re eyewitnesses pls provide the list of a million eyewitnesses and what they saw in detail and I can check it too even if it will take time.
I'll believe you'll do it when I see it because you could have Googled it yourself but here goes.  The following are organizations that can get you in touch with as many witnesses to 9/11 as want as well and surviving family members of the tower collapse and plane crashes.

World Trade Center Survivors' Network
http://www.survivorsnet.org/

Support Resources - 9/11 Groups - Families of September 11
http://www.familiesofseptember11.org/resources.aspx?s=10

I'll talk to my brother and friends...that is if you actually going to do it.

Mike

Hm, why should I get in touch with these two strange organizations? They have not updated their web sites since many years.  They and their officers seem to be part of the 2001 hoax/show. I have altready done my analysis and work and published it on the Internet since many years. I am a well known safety at sea expert. Everything I publish is correct. Why would I publish something else?

The 911 fountains of smoke and dust collapses of two intact, solid skyscrapers shown on various footages are CGI! No structure can collapse like that due to a small fire up top. The whole thing was therefore done by Americans assisted by Hollywood. To blame Arabs for it is criminal. Anyone stating having seen a fountain of smoke and dust collapse is a liar.   

No, you Americans are famous for Fake News Desinformation. You just invent something, publish it in MSM, blackmail experts to support the lies and ... there we go. I present several other examples at my site.

I just feel sorry for you. You have to do what the Germans of the German Democratic Republic did 1989. They liberated themselves from a dicatorship by kicking it out.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on August 14, 2017, 04:01:20 AM

Who said anything about arabs?  I asked about the eyewitnesses who saw the planes hit and the towers fall.  Thousands upon thousands of them. 
You really are afraid of this subject aren't you?  You have failed again.

GWB, Condoleezze & Co said a lot about arabs the days after 911. Re eyewitnesses pls provide the list of a million eyewitnesses and what they saw in detail and I can check it too even if it will take time.
I'll believe you'll do it when I see it because you could have Googled it yourself but here goes.  The following are organizations that can get you in touch with as many witnesses to 9/11 as want as well and surviving family members of the tower collapse and plane crashes.

World Trade Center Survivors' Network
http://www.survivorsnet.org/

Support Resources - 9/11 Groups - Families of September 11
http://www.familiesofseptember11.org/resources.aspx?s=10

I'll talk to my brother and friends...that is if you actually going to do it.

Mike

Hm, why should I get in touch with these two strange organizations? They seem to be part of the 2001 hoax/show. I have altready done my analysis and work and published it on the Internet since many years. I am a well known safety at sea expert. Everything I publish is correct. Why would I publish something else?

The 911 fountains of smoke and dust collapses of two intact, solid skyscrapers shown on various footages are CGI! No structure can collapse like that due to a small fire up top. The whole thing was therefore done by Americans assisted by Hollywood. To blame Arabs for it is criminal. Anyone stating having seen a fountain of smoke and dust collapse is a liar.   

No, you Americans are famous for Fake News Desinformation. You just invent something, publish it in MSM, blackmail experts to support the lies and ... there we go. I present several other examples at my site.

I just feel sorry for you. You have to do what the Germans of the German Democratic Republic did 1989. They liberated themselves from a dicatorship by kicking it out.

You asked for evidence, then dismiss it out of hand! Without even looking at it!

shoddy research

BTW saying the same thing over and over again doesn't give it any more credibility!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 14, 2017, 04:08:08 AM

Who said anything about arabs?  I asked about the eyewitnesses who saw the planes hit and the towers fall.  Thousands upon thousands of them. 
You really are afraid of this subject aren't you?  You have failed again.

GWB, Condoleezze & Co said a lot about arabs the days after 911. Re eyewitnesses pls provide the list of a million eyewitnesses and what they saw in detail and I can check it too even if it will take time.
I'll believe you'll do it when I see it because you could have Googled it yourself but here goes.  The following are organizations that can get you in touch with as many witnesses to 9/11 as want as well and surviving family members of the tower collapse and plane crashes.

World Trade Center Survivors' Network
http://www.survivorsnet.org/

Support Resources - 9/11 Groups - Families of September 11
http://www.familiesofseptember11.org/resources.aspx?s=10

I'll talk to my brother and friends...that is if you actually going to do it.

Mike

Hm, why should I get in touch with these two strange organizations? They seem to be part of the 2001 hoax/show. I have altready done my analysis and work and published it on the Internet since many years. I am a well known safety at sea expert. Everything I publish is correct. Why would I publish something else?

The 911 fountains of smoke and dust collapses of two intact, solid skyscrapers shown on various footages are CGI! No structure can collapse like that due to a small fire up top. The whole thing was therefore done by Americans assisted by Hollywood. To blame Arabs for it is criminal. Anyone stating having seen a fountain of smoke and dust collapse is a liar.   

No, you Americans are famous for Fake News Desinformation. You just invent something, publish it in MSM, blackmail experts to support the lies and ... there we go. I present several other examples at my site.

I just feel sorry for you. You have to do what the Germans of the German Democratic Republic did 1989. They liberated themselves from a dicatorship by kicking it out.

You asked for evidence, then dismiss it out of hand! Without even looking at it!

shoddy research

BTW saying the same thing over and over again doesn't give it any more credibility!

Hm, but I did visit http://www.survivorsnet.org/ and http://www.familiesofseptember11.org/resources.aspx?s=10 and found that the organizations are no longer active. They were part of the show and now ... nobody cares about them.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on August 14, 2017, 04:27:05 AM
Hm, but I did visit http://www.survivorsnet.org/ and http://www.familiesofseptember11.org/resources.aspx?s=10 and found that the organizations are no longer active. They were part of the show and now ... nobody cares about them.
So in other words you refuse to actually do a real investigation even when provided with some resources.  You do realize that you can do this research yourself.  Where is your humanity?  Don’t you think it’s important to get this right?  Isn’t it important to remember the honored dead?

Or, is it that you’re afraid to because you’ll learn there actually were planes and deaths.  Then you’d have to admit your analysis doesn’t fit the actual circumstances.  Is that really more important to you than getting it right?

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 14, 2017, 08:10:17 AM
Hm, but I did visit http://www.survivorsnet.org/ and http://www.familiesofseptember11.org/resources.aspx?s=10 and found that the organizations are no longer active. They were part of the show and now ... nobody cares about them.
So in other words you refuse to actually do a real investigation even when provided with some resources.  You do realize that you can do this research yourself.  Where is your humanity?  Don’t you think it’s important to get this right?  Isn’t it important to remember the honored dead?

Or, is it that you’re afraid to because you’ll learn there actually were planes and deaths.  Then you’d have to admit your analysis doesn’t fit the actual circumstances.  Is that really more important to you than getting it right?

Mike

Hm, skyscrapers transformed into fountains of smoke and dust are impossible. It is pure Hollywood. Only twerps believe in them. And what could have caused it?

Planes with evil Arabs?

No, sorry. No Arabs, no planes!

But all those deaths?

No, I am happy to confirm. No deaths!

It was a great show but ... no deaths.

What a show. But twerps like you, Mike, still work for the make believe. Twerp? Terrorist!

Fake a-bombs 1945 to end WW2 I can accept. But they should have announced they were fake 1946.

Fake humans in space travels 1960's were fun. Gagarin & Co. But they were all fake.

You are a real twerp, Mike!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on August 14, 2017, 08:29:23 AM
No, I am happy to confirm. No deaths!
How did you confirm that there were no deaths?

Did you attempt to contact any of the people who reportedly died to confirm that they didn't?

If none of the victims actually died, then maybe you should contact their insurance companies and report the fraud.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on August 14, 2017, 08:32:10 AM
Hm, but I did visit http://www.survivorsnet.org/ and http://www.familiesofseptember11.org/resources.aspx?s=10 and found that the organizations are no longer active. They were part of the show and now ... nobody cares about them.
So in other words you refuse to actually do a real investigation even when provided with some resources.  You do realize that you can do this research yourself.  Where is your humanity?  Don’t you think it’s important to get this right?  Isn’t it important to remember the honored dead?

Or, is it that you’re afraid to because you’ll learn there actually were planes and deaths.  Then you’d have to admit your analysis doesn’t fit the actual circumstances.  Is that really more important to you than getting it right?

Mike

Hm, skyscrapers transformed into fountains of smoke and dust are impossible. It is pure Hollywood. Only twerps believe in them. And what could have caused it?

Planes with evil Arabs?

No, sorry. No Arabs, no planes!

But all those deaths?

No, I am happy to confirm. No deaths!

It was a great show but ... no deaths.

What a show. But twerps like you, Mike, still work for the make believe. Twerp? Terrorist!

Fake a-bombs 19945 to end WW2 I can accept. But they should have announced they were fake 1946.

Fake humans in space travels 1960's were fun. Gagarin & Co. But they were all fake.

You are a real twerp, Mike!
And the people I have known for years who saw it happen?  And the thousands of others?  And the fact that my friends had friends who dies there?
You are just one big pile of failure aren't you?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 14, 2017, 08:50:30 AM
No, I am happy to confirm. No deaths!

1. How did you confirm that there were no deaths?

2. Did you attempt to contact any of the people who reportedly died to confirm that they didn't?

3. If none of the victims actually died, then maybe you should contact their insurance companies and report the fraud.

Aha, more stupid questions from my favourite twerp:

1. I am not aware of any deaths. I basically show that structures do not collapse in CGI fountains of smoke and dust, so noone can die then.

2. No. They were all anonymous actors, as far as I am concerned.

3. Maybe the insurance companies should check the claims.

May I ask you a question or two or three? The Arabs! Were they really hired by this other Arab at Gitmo that confiirmed it after CIA torture? 

Do you think torture is a good system to get info out of people?

What would you do if your local police officer started to torture you?
Title: Re: Heiwas ignorance as evidence
Post by: markjo on August 14, 2017, 09:02:44 AM
No, I am happy to confirm. No deaths!

1. How did you confirm that there were no deaths?

2. Did you attempt to contact any of the people who reportedly died to confirm that they didn't?

3. If none of the victims actually died, then maybe you should contact their insurance companies and report the fraud.

Aha, more stupid questions from my favourite twerp:

1. I am not aware of any deaths. I basically show that structures do not collapse in CGI fountains of smoke and dust, so noone can die then.

2. No. They were all anonymous actors, as far as I am concerned.

3. Maybe the insurance companies should check the claims.
So you're claiming that your ignorance proves that you're right?
Title: Re: Heiwas ignorance as evidence
Post by: Heiwa on August 14, 2017, 09:11:09 AM
No, I am happy to confirm. No deaths!

1. How did you confirm that there were no deaths?

2. Did you attempt to contact any of the people who reportedly died to confirm that they didn't?

3. If none of the victims actually died, then maybe you should contact their insurance companies and report the fraud.

Aha, more stupid questions from my favourite twerp:

1. I am not aware of any deaths. I basically show that structures do not collapse in CGI fountains of smoke and dust, so noone can die then.

2. No. They were all anonymous actors, as far as I am concerned.

3. Maybe the insurance companies should check the claims.
So you're claiming that your ignorance proves that you're right?

Please answer the questions I asked:

The Arabs! Were they really hired by this other Arab at Gitmo that confiirmed it after CIA torture? 

Do you think torture is a good system to get info out of people?

What would you do if your local police officer started to torture you?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on August 14, 2017, 09:34:27 AM
Hm, but I did visit http://www.survivorsnet.org/ and http://www.familiesofseptember11.org/resources.aspx?s=10 and found that the organizations are no longer active. They were part of the show and now ... nobody cares about them.
So in other words you refuse to actually do a real investigation even when provided with some resources.  You do realize that you can do this research yourself.  Where is your humanity?  Don’t you think it’s important to get this right?  Isn’t it important to remember the honored dead?

Or, is it that you’re afraid to because you’ll learn there actually were planes and deaths.  Then you’d have to admit your analysis doesn’t fit the actual circumstances.  Is that really more important to you than getting it right?

Mike

Hm, skyscrapers transformed into fountains of smoke and dust are impossible. It is pure Hollywood. Only twerps believe in them. And what could have caused it?

Planes with evil Arabs?

No, sorry. No Arabs, no planes!

But all those deaths?

No, I am happy to confirm. No deaths!

It was a great show but ... no deaths.

What a show. But twerps like you, Mike, still work for the make believe. Twerp? Terrorist!

Fake a-bombs 19945 to end WW2 I can accept. But they should have announced they were fake 1946.

Fake humans in space travels 1960's were fun. Gagarin & Co. But they were all fake.

You are a real twerp, Mike!
Don't you dare call me a terrorist you cheesy head band wearin' fuck.

Go ahead call me a twerp but the fact is you're a liar and an indecent human being who won't even try to verify what happened.  You couldn't figure out how to do a proper 3D analysis for the plane impact so you made up the no planes story to fit you stupid 2D beams & spring model.  You're a crappy engineer an even worse researcher. 

Haven’t you ever lost someone in your life?  Don’t you know how that feels?  You must not because you don't have an ounce of humanity in you for the 2606 souls the died in the WTC, the 246 who died on the planes, the 125 who died at the Pentagon, and for all of those who lost loved ones.

You are a bold-faced liar and it will come back on you.  The truth always comes out in the end.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas ignorance as evidence
Post by: MicroBeta on August 14, 2017, 09:37:55 AM
No, I am happy to confirm. No deaths!

1. How did you confirm that there were no deaths?

2. Did you attempt to contact any of the people who reportedly died to confirm that they didn't?

3. If none of the victims actually died, then maybe you should contact their insurance companies and report the fraud.

Aha, more stupid questions from my favourite twerp:

1. I am not aware of any deaths. I basically show that structures do not collapse in CGI fountains of smoke and dust, so noone can die then.

2. No. They were all anonymous actors, as far as I am concerned.

3. Maybe the insurance companies should check the claims.
So you're claiming that your ignorance proves that you're right?

Please answer the questions I asked:

The Arabs! Were they really hired by this other Arab at Gitmo that confiirmed it after CIA torture? 

Do you think torture is a good system to get info out of people?

What would you do if your local police officer started to torture you?
Bullshit.  You don't get to put this back on everyone else.  You're not allowed to put up a fucking strawman. 

What's the matter?  Don't you have the balls to answer markjo's questions?

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas ignorance as evidence
Post by: Badxtoss on August 14, 2017, 10:07:24 AM
No, I am happy to confirm. No deaths!

1. How did you confirm that there were no deaths?

2. Did you attempt to contact any of the people who reportedly died to confirm that they didn't?

3. If none of the victims actually died, then maybe you should contact their insurance companies and report the fraud.

Aha, more stupid questions from my favourite twerp:

1. I am not aware of any deaths. I basically show that structures do not collapse in CGI fountains of smoke and dust, so noone can die then.

2. No. They were all anonymous actors, as far as I am concerned.

3. Maybe the insurance companies should check the claims.
So you're claiming that your ignorance proves that you're right?

Please answer the questions I asked:

The Arabs! Were they really hired by this other Arab at Gitmo that confiirmed it after CIA torture? 

Do you think torture is a good system to get info out of people?

What would you do if your local police officer started to torture you?
Please answer the question I asked.
What about the eyewitness?  Explain how that is possible.  I have actually spoken to some, have you?
If not then admit you are just a lying sack of shit who is too lazy, or stupid to do even the tiniest bit of research.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Crouton on August 14, 2017, 11:04:03 AM
Heiwa,  I would like to thank you for eating my toenail clippings.  You are a true American hero.

Keep up the good work!
Title: Re: Heiwas ignorance as evidence
Post by: Heiwa on August 14, 2017, 12:17:35 PM
Please answer the questions I asked:

The Arabs! Were they really hired by this other Arab at Gitmo that confiirmed it after CIA torture? 

Do you think torture is a good system to get info out of people?

What would you do if your local police officer started to torture you?
Please answer the question I asked.
What about the eyewitness?  Explain how that is possible.  I have actually spoken to some, have you?
If not then admit you are just a lying sack of shit who is too lazy, or stupid to do even the tiniest bit of research.

I asked first so answer me.

Re your millions of eyewitnesses I haven't met anyone of them. And no, I am not a lying sack of shit, blablabla. I am a nice, friendly guy ... http://heiwaco.com/cv.htm .

Why do you get so upset and foul mouthed? Are you mentally fit? You sound seriously sick! Mad? Crazy?

Haven't you understood? I am a nice person.

Of course, if anyone physically attacks me ... I destroy her/him. I was trained to do it in the Navy.
Title: Re: Heiwas ignorance as evidence
Post by: MicroBeta on August 14, 2017, 12:27:36 PM
Please answer the questions I asked:

The Arabs! Were they really hired by this other Arab at Gitmo that confiirmed it after CIA torture? 

Do you think torture is a good system to get info out of people?

What would you do if your local police officer started to torture you?
Please answer the question I asked.
What about the eyewitness?  Explain how that is possible.  I have actually spoken to some, have you?
If not then admit you are just a lying sack of shit who is too lazy, or stupid to do even the tiniest bit of research.

I asked first so answer me.

Re your millions of eyewitnesses I haven't met anyone of them. And no, I man not a lying sack of shit, blablabla. I am a nice, friendly guy ... http://heiwaco.com/cv.htm .

Why do you get so upset and foul mouthed? Are you mentally fit? You sound seriously sick! Mad? Crazy?

Haven't you understood? I am a nice person.

Of course, if anyone physically attacks me ... I destroy her/him. I was trained to do it in the Navy.
You have some gall saying you're a nice friendly guy.  The vast majority of your posts are impolite, uncivil, name calling rants.  If you were a nice guy you'd be polite and civil like you ask others to do.  I cursed at you because you have no right calling me a terrorist but most of my posts to you have been civil.

BTW, you're going to talk to survivors and family members.  I'm going to make sure of it.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 14, 2017, 12:42:17 PM
Please answer the questions I asked:

The Arabs! Were they really hired by this other Arab at Gitmo that confiirmed it after CIA torture? 

Do you think torture is a good system to get info out of people?

What would you do if your local police officer started to torture you?
Please answer the question I asked.
What about the eyewitness?  Explain how that is possible.  I have actually spoken to some, have you?
If not then admit you are just a lying sack of shit who is too lazy, or stupid to do even the tiniest bit of research.

I asked first so answer me.

Re your millions of eyewitnesses I haven't met anyone of them. And no, I man not a lying sack of shit, blablabla. I am a nice, friendly guy ... http://heiwaco.com/cv.htm .

Why do you get so upset and foul mouthed? Are you mentally fit? You sound seriously sick! Mad? Crazy?

Haven't you understood? I am a nice person.

Of course, if anyone physically attacks me ... I destroy her/him. I was trained to do it in the Navy.
You have some gall saying you're a nice friendly guy.  The vast majority of your posts are impolite, uncivil, name calling rants.  If you were a nice guy you'd be polite and civil like you ask others to do.  I cursed at you because you have no right calling me a terrorist but most of my posts to you have been civil.

BTW, you're going to talk to survivors and family members.  I'm going to make sure of it.

Mike

I look forward talking to your 911 survivors and family members. They should of course study my website http://heiwaco.com first so they understand my position.

I really look forward to it. But let's face it, Mike. Noone will show up.

Do you know why?

They are all actors and speaking from scripts.

Noone can show I am wrong.
Title: Re: Heiwas ignorance as evidence
Post by: Badxtoss on August 14, 2017, 01:12:16 PM
Please answer the questions I asked:

The Arabs! Were they really hired by this other Arab at Gitmo that confiirmed it after CIA torture? 

Do you think torture is a good system to get info out of people?

What would you do if your local police officer started to torture you?
Please answer the question I asked.
What about the eyewitness?  Explain how that is possible.  I have actually spoken to some, have you?
If not then admit you are just a lying sack of shit who is too lazy, or stupid to do even the tiniest bit of research.

I asked first so answer me.

Re your millions of eyewitnesses I haven't met anyone of them. And no, I man not a lying sack of shit, blablabla. I am a nice, friendly guy ... http://heiwaco.com/cv.htm .

Why do you get so upset and foul mouthed? Are you mentally fit? You sound seriously sick! Mad? Crazy?

Haven't you understood? I am a nice person.

Of course, if anyone physically attacks me ... I destroy her/him. I was trained to do it in the Navy.
Ok I will take this as your admission you are a lazy, stupid lying sack of shit.  As always nothing but failure.
Back to the ignore bin with you.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on August 14, 2017, 05:25:36 PM
You have some gall saying you're a nice friendly guy.  The vast majority of your posts are impolite, uncivil, name calling rants.  If you were a nice guy you'd be polite and civil like you ask others to do.  I cursed at you because you have no right calling me a terrorist but most of my posts to you have been civil.

BTW, you're going to talk to survivors and family members.  I'm going to make sure of it.

Mike

I look forward talking to your 911 survivors and family members. They should of course study my website http://heiwaco.com first so they understand my position.

I really look forward to it. But let's face it, Mike. Noone will show up.

Do you know why?

They are all actors and speaking from scripts.

Noone can show I am wrong.
It is mind boggling that you actually believe that.  The only evidence you have is your own opinion.  You’re not a qualified expert in digital forensics and from your analysis of the video you clearly don’t have the first clue what it takes to be one. 

You’re suggesting that a million on lookers saw what actually happened and one of them came forward to say it didn’t happen the way we saw on TV. 

You’re suggesting that a million on lookers saw what actually happened and not one of them took a picture or video and came forward to say it didn’t happen the way we saw on TV and here’s the proof.

Here’s what you don’t understand about Americans.  Americans will stop, watch, and take pictures & video of any disaster.  The bigger the event the more people it will attract. 

Once the first tower hit the news everyone that had line of sight to the towers were at a window or outside.  Watching and taking pictures. 

If there were no planes, why have none of those witnesses come forth?

If there were no planes, why have none of the witnesses come forth with photos/videos?

It is impossible to keep a million eye witnesses, from seeing and recording what happened so why is there no evidence to support your theory?

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 15, 2017, 11:45:52 AM
You have some gall saying you're a nice friendly guy.  The vast majority of your posts are impolite, uncivil, name calling rants.  If you were a nice guy you'd be polite and civil like you ask others to do.  I cursed at you because you have no right calling me a terrorist but most of my posts to you have been civil.

BTW, you're going to talk to survivors and family members.  I'm going to make sure of it.

Mike

I look forward talking to your 911 survivors and family members. They should of course study my website http://heiwaco.com first so they understand my position.

I really look forward to it. But let's face it, Mike. Noone will show up.

Do you know why?

They are all actors and speaking from scripts.

Noone can show I am wrong.
It is mind boggling that you actually believe that.  The only evidence you have is your own opinion.  You’re not a qualified expert in digital forensics and from your analysis of the video you clearly don’t have the first clue what it takes to be one. 

You’re suggesting that a million on lookers saw what actually happened and one of them came forward to say it didn’t happen the way we saw on TV. 

You’re suggesting that a million on lookers saw what actually happened and not one of them took a picture or video and came forward to say it didn’t happen the way we saw on TV and here’s the proof.

Here’s what you don’t understand about Americans.  Americans will stop, watch, and take pictures & video of any disaster.  The bigger the event the more people it will attract. 

Once the first tower hit the news everyone that had line of sight to the towers were at a window or outside.  Watching and taking pictures. 

If there were no planes, why have none of those witnesses come forth?

If there were no planes, why have none of the witnesses come forth with photos/videos?

It is impossible to keep a million eye witnesses, from seeing and recording what happened so why is there no evidence to support your theory?

Mike

A million eye witnesses! But what did they witness? I have seen some recordings ... all fakery. It makes me  suspicious.

And now it is Charlottesville. Plenty fakery all over the Internet at once. It seems your local police is not doing the job. They just watch the show too.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on August 15, 2017, 12:13:25 PM
A million eye witnesses! But what did they witness?
Why don't you ask some of them sometime?

I dare you call any of them "paid actors" to their faces.

I have seen some recordings ... all fakery. It makes me  suspicious.
Oh, you saw some recordings.  What other evidence could possibly be relevant?  ::)
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on August 15, 2017, 12:55:14 PM
You have some gall saying you're a nice friendly guy.  The vast majority of your posts are impolite, uncivil, name calling rants.  If you were a nice guy you'd be polite and civil like you ask others to do.  I cursed at you because you have no right calling me a terrorist but most of my posts to you have been civil.

BTW, you're going to talk to survivors and family members.  I'm going to make sure of it.

Mike

I look forward talking to your 911 survivors and family members. They should of course study my website http://heiwaco.com first so they understand my position.

I really look forward to it. But let's face it, Mike. Noone will show up.

Do you know why?

They are all actors and speaking from scripts.

Noone can show I am wrong.
It is mind boggling that you actually believe that.  The only evidence you have is your own opinion.  You’re not a qualified expert in digital forensics and from your analysis of the video you clearly don’t have the first clue what it takes to be one. 

You’re suggesting that a million on lookers saw what actually happened and one of them came forward to say it didn’t happen the way we saw on TV. 

You’re suggesting that a million on lookers saw what actually happened and not one of them took a picture or video and came forward to say it didn’t happen the way we saw on TV and here’s the proof.

Here’s what you don’t understand about Americans.  Americans will stop, watch, and take pictures & video of any disaster.  The bigger the event the more people it will attract. 

Once the first tower hit the news everyone that had line of sight to the towers were at a window or outside.  Watching and taking pictures. 

If there were no planes, why have none of those witnesses come forth?

If there were no planes, why have none of the witnesses come forth with photos/videos?

It is impossible to keep a million eye witnesses, from seeing and recording what happened so why is there no evidence to support your theory?

Mike

It makes me  suspicious.


Being merely suspicious is a much more reasonable position.

This is not at all in line with the statements you have been making though.

So which is it?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on August 15, 2017, 02:34:30 PM
You have some gall saying you're a nice friendly guy.  The vast majority of your posts are impolite, uncivil, name calling rants.  If you were a nice guy you'd be polite and civil like you ask others to do.  I cursed at you because you have no right calling me a terrorist but most of my posts to you have been civil.

BTW, you're going to talk to survivors and family members.  I'm going to make sure of it.

Mike

I look forward talking to your 911 survivors and family members. They should of course study my website http://heiwaco.com first so they understand my position.

I really look forward to it. But let's face it, Mike. Noone will show up.

Do you know why?

They are all actors and speaking from scripts.

Noone can show I am wrong.
It is mind boggling that you actually believe that.  The only evidence you have is your own opinion.  You’re not a qualified expert in digital forensics and from your analysis of the video you clearly don’t have the first clue what it takes to be one. 

You’re suggesting that a million on lookers saw what actually happened and one of them came forward to say it didn’t happen the way we saw on TV. 

You’re suggesting that a million on lookers saw what actually happened and not one of them took a picture or video and came forward to say it didn’t happen the way we saw on TV and here’s the proof.

Here’s what you don’t understand about Americans.  Americans will stop, watch, and take pictures & video of any disaster.  The bigger the event the more people it will attract. 

Once the first tower hit the news everyone that had line of sight to the towers were at a window or outside.  Watching and taking pictures. 

If there were no planes, why have none of those witnesses come forth?

If there were no planes, why have none of the witnesses come forth with photos/videos?

It is impossible to keep a million eye witnesses, from seeing and recording what happened so why is there no evidence to support your theory?

Mike

A million eye witnesses! But what did they witness? I have seen some recordings ... all fakery. It makes me  suspicious.

And now it is Charlottesville. Plenty fakery all over the Internet at once. It seems your local police is not doing the job. They just watch the show too.
I knew you wouldn't have the guts to answer the questions.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 17, 2017, 07:50:26 AM
Heiwa's had logged in several times without any replies.

It's obvious he doesn't have the guts to answer my questions.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Badxtoss on August 17, 2017, 08:15:08 AM
Heiwa's had logged in several times without any replies.

It's obvious he doesn't have the guts to answer my questions.

Mike
This is a standard tactic for him.  He will disappear for a while then come back and start from scratch saying no has ever shown any evidence he is wrong.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 17, 2017, 08:20:12 AM
Heiwa's had logged in several times without any replies.

It's obvious he doesn't have the guts to answer my questions.

Mike

Hm, so your questions are:


1. If there were no planes, why have none of those witnesses come forth?

2. If there were no planes, why have none of the witnesses come forth with photos/videos?

3. It is impossible to keep a million eye witnesses, from seeing and recording what happened so why is there no evidence to support your theory?

1. Well, if they didn't see any planes slicing into the towers, they had nothing to report.

2. You cannot take videos and photos of somthing you didn't see.

3. The footage, photos and videos provided by planes slicing into the towers and the towers collapsing in fountains of smoke and dust are pure CGI and trick film. Noone can have seen it. It seems it was a great, magic show being performed. No Arabs could do anything like it.

And then there is my peer reviewed, structural, dynamic damage analysis known as the Björkman axiom. No weak top part C of a structure can crush down and collapse the intact bottom part A of same structure by gravity into smoke and dust. Even dropping C on A will just result in C bouncing on A.

I show it at my web site and I also pay anyone €1M showing I am wrong.

Actually anyone testifying, actually lying, having seen planes and top down collapses are persons supporting terrorism. The towers and the whole WTC area were apparently destroyed by other means from bottom up. 
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Denspressure on August 17, 2017, 08:34:40 AM
Heiwa's had logged in several times without any replies.

It's obvious he doesn't have the guts to answer my questions.

Mike

Hm, so your questions are:


1. If there were no planes, why have none of those witnesses come forth?

2. If there were no planes, why have none of the witnesses come forth with photos/videos?

3. It is impossible to keep a million eye witnesses, from seeing and recording what happened so why is there no evidence to support your theory?

1. Well, if they didn't see any planes slicing into the towers, they had nothing to report.

2. You cannot take videos and photos of somthing you didn't see.

3. The footage, photos and videos provided by planes slicing into the towers and the towers collapsing in fountains of smoke and dust are pure CGI and trick film. Noone can have seen it. It seems it was a great, magic show being performed. No Arabs could do anything like it.

And then there is my peer reviewed, structural, dynamic damage analysis known as the Björkman axiom. No weak top part C of a structure can crush down and collapse the intact bottom part A of same structure by gravity into smoke and dust. Even dropping C on A will just result in C bouncing on A.

I show it at my web site and I also pay anyone €1M showing I am wrong.

Actually anyone testifying, actually lying, having seen planes and top down collapses are persons supporting terrorism. The towers and the whole WTC area were apparently destroyed by other means from bottom up.
Aside from tonnes of home video of the second plane hitting.

Are you saying explosions stared from the bottom? do you have any videos that show this?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Pezevenk on August 17, 2017, 08:37:21 AM
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Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 17, 2017, 08:39:13 AM
Heiwa's had logged in several times without any replies.

It's obvious he doesn't have the guts to answer my questions.

Mike

Hm, so your questions are:


1. If there were no planes, why have none of those witnesses come forth?

2. If there were no planes, why have none of the witnesses come forth with photos/videos?

3. It is impossible to keep a million eye witnesses, from seeing and recording what happened so why is there no evidence to support your theory?

1. Well, if they didn't see any planes slicing into the towers, they had nothing to report.

2. You cannot take videos and photos of somthing you didn't see.

3. The footage, photos and videos provided by planes slicing into the towers and the towers collapsing in fountains of smoke and dust are pure CGI and trick film. Noone can have seen it. It seems it was a great, magic show being performed. No Arabs could do anything like it.

And then there is my peer reviewed, structural, dynamic damage analysis known as the Björkman axiom. No weak top part C of a structure can crush down and collapse the intact bottom part A of same structure by gravity into smoke and dust. Even dropping C on A will just result in C bouncing on A.

I show it at my web site and I also pay anyone €1M showing I am wrong.

Actually anyone testifying, actually lying, having seen planes and top down collapses are persons supporting terrorism.
The towers and the whole WTC area were apparently destroyed by other means from bottom up.

Aside from tonnes of home video of the second plane hitting.

Are you saying explosions stared from the bottom? do you have any videos that show this?

As I say, any footage of a second plane hitting is fake! Easy to prove.

And yes, I do not say explosions started from the bottom. I just say that the towers and the whole WTC area were apparently destroyed by other means from bottom up.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 17, 2017, 08:41:22 AM
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Correct spelling is Björkman axiom. I am quite proud having an axiom named after me.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Pezevenk on August 17, 2017, 09:03:50 AM
BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM

Correct spelling is Björkman axiom. I am quite proud having an axiom named after me.

Ok then, I'm sorry.

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Fixed.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 17, 2017, 09:17:52 AM
Fixed.
Thanks.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on August 17, 2017, 09:24:03 AM
Fixed.
Thanks.

I don't like being quoted out of context. Here's the full quote for anyone interested:

BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM BJÖRKMANN AXIOM

Correct spelling is Björkman axiom. I am quite proud having an axiom named after me.

Ok then, I'm sorry.

BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM BJÖRKMAN AXIOM

Fixed.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Denspressure on August 17, 2017, 10:20:10 AM
Heiwa's had logged in several times without any replies.

It's obvious he doesn't have the guts to answer my questions.

Mike

Hm, so your questions are:


1. If there were no planes, why have none of those witnesses come forth?

2. If there were no planes, why have none of the witnesses come forth with photos/videos?

3. It is impossible to keep a million eye witnesses, from seeing and recording what happened so why is there no evidence to support your theory?

1. Well, if they didn't see any planes slicing into the towers, they had nothing to report.

2. You cannot take videos and photos of somthing you didn't see.

3. The footage, photos and videos provided by planes slicing into the towers and the towers collapsing in fountains of smoke and dust are pure CGI and trick film. Noone can have seen it. It seems it was a great, magic show being performed. No Arabs could do anything like it.

And then there is my peer reviewed, structural, dynamic damage analysis known as the Björkman axiom. No weak top part C of a structure can crush down and collapse the intact bottom part A of same structure by gravity into smoke and dust. Even dropping C on A will just result in C bouncing on A.

I show it at my web site and I also pay anyone €1M showing I am wrong.

Actually anyone testifying, actually lying, having seen planes and top down collapses are persons supporting terrorism.
The towers and the whole WTC area were apparently destroyed by other means from bottom up.

Aside from tonnes of home video of the second plane hitting.

Are you saying explosions stared from the bottom? do you have any videos that show this?

As I say, any footage of a second plane hitting is fake! Easy to prove.

And yes, I do not say explosions started from the bottom. I just say that the towers and the whole WTC area were apparently destroyed by other means from bottom up.
Cool.

Proof this video is fake:
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 17, 2017, 10:27:44 AM
Heiwa's had logged in several times without any replies.

It's obvious he doesn't have the guts to answer my questions.

Mike

Hm, so your questions are:


1. If there were no planes, why have none of those witnesses come forth?

2. If there were no planes, why have none of the witnesses come forth with photos/videos?

3. It is impossible to keep a million eye witnesses, from seeing and recording what happened so why is there no evidence to support your theory?

1. Well, if they didn't see any planes slicing into the towers, they had nothing to report.

2. You cannot take videos and photos of somthing you didn't see.

3. The footage, photos and videos provided by planes slicing into the towers and the towers collapsing in fountains of smoke and dust are pure CGI and trick film. Noone can have seen it. It seems it was a great, magic show being performed. No Arabs could do anything like it.

And then there is my peer reviewed, structural, dynamic damage analysis known as the Björkman axiom. No weak top part C of a structure can crush down and collapse the intact bottom part A of same structure by gravity into smoke and dust. Even dropping C on A will just result in C bouncing on A.

I show it at my web site and I also pay anyone €1M showing I am wrong.

Actually anyone testifying, actually lying, having seen planes and top down collapses are persons supporting terrorism.
The towers and the whole WTC area were apparently destroyed by other means from bottom up.

Aside from tonnes of home video of the second plane hitting.

Are you saying explosions stared from the bottom? do you have any videos that show this?

As I say, any footage of a second plane hitting is fake! Easy to prove.

And yes, I do not say explosions started from the bottom. I just say that the towers and the whole WTC area were apparently destroyed by other means from bottom up.
Cool.

Proof this video is fake:


No plane, bad language, no origin, typical fakery. FBI should arrest the persons behind this fake video. Try it yourself! Contact the FBI and report your find! Be a good citizen! And then report back here!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Denspressure on August 17, 2017, 10:30:05 AM
Heiwa's had logged in several times without any replies.

It's obvious he doesn't have the guts to answer my questions.

Mike

Hm, so your questions are:


1. If there were no planes, why have none of those witnesses come forth?

2. If there were no planes, why have none of the witnesses come forth with photos/videos?

3. It is impossible to keep a million eye witnesses, from seeing and recording what happened so why is there no evidence to support your theory?

1. Well, if they didn't see any planes slicing into the towers, they had nothing to report.

2. You cannot take videos and photos of somthing you didn't see.

3. The footage, photos and videos provided by planes slicing into the towers and the towers collapsing in fountains of smoke and dust are pure CGI and trick film. Noone can have seen it. It seems it was a great, magic show being performed. No Arabs could do anything like it.

And then there is my peer reviewed, structural, dynamic damage analysis known as the Björkman axiom. No weak top part C of a structure can crush down and collapse the intact bottom part A of same structure by gravity into smoke and dust. Even dropping C on A will just result in C bouncing on A.

I show it at my web site and I also pay anyone €1M showing I am wrong.

Actually anyone testifying, actually lying, having seen planes and top down collapses are persons supporting terrorism.
The towers and the whole WTC area were apparently destroyed by other means from bottom up.

Aside from tonnes of home video of the second plane hitting.

Are you saying explosions stared from the bottom? do you have any videos that show this?

As I say, any footage of a second plane hitting is fake! Easy to prove.

And yes, I do not say explosions started from the bottom. I just say that the towers and the whole WTC area were apparently destroyed by other means from bottom up.
Cool.

Proof this video is fake:


No plane, bad language, no origin, typical fakery. FBI should arrest the persons behind this fake video. Try it yourself! Contact the FBI and report your find! Be a good citizen! And then report back here!
If there is no plane (in your wrong opinion) then what did they fake?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 17, 2017, 10:45:08 AM

Contact the FBI and report your find! Be a good citizen!



"Hello, FBI?, there is this nut on the internet called Heiwa . . ."    ;D

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 17, 2017, 02:22:18 PM
Heiwa's had logged in several times without any replies.

It's obvious he doesn't have the guts to answer my questions.

Mike

Hm, so your questions are:


1. If there were no planes, why have none of those witnesses come forth?

2. If there were no planes, why have none of the witnesses come forth with photos/videos?

3. It is impossible to keep a million eye witnesses, from seeing and recording what happened so why is there no evidence to support your theory?

1. Well, if they didn't see any planes slicing into the towers, they had nothing to report.

2. You cannot take videos and photos of somthing you didn't see.

3. The footage, photos and videos provided by planes slicing into the towers and the towers collapsing in fountains of smoke and dust are pure CGI and trick film. Noone can have seen it. It seems it was a great, magic show being performed. No Arabs could do anything like it.

And then there is my peer reviewed, structural, dynamic damage analysis known as the Björkman axiom. No weak top part C of a structure can crush down and collapse the intact bottom part A of same structure by gravity into smoke and dust. Even dropping C on A will just result in C bouncing on A.

I show it at my web site and I also pay anyone €1M showing I am wrong.

Actually anyone testifying, actually lying, having seen planes and top down collapses are persons supporting terrorism. The towers and the whole WTC area were apparently destroyed by other means from bottom up.
Wow.  That’s not even close to answering the questions.  And, it’s a poor attempt at trying to avoid answering at that.  We both know you understood what I was asking but I’ll clarify the questions for you just so there is no ambiguity.  I'll even cut it down to two.

1. Eyewitnesses in Jersey and Long Island could see the second plane come over the harbor from Jersey. If there was no plane, why have none of those eyewitnesses come forth with testimony, photos, or videos that contradicts the official account and what was seen on TV?

2. The collapses were seen by those eyewitnesses; those from the east and west had an especially good view for that.  If the towers didn’t collapse from the top down, why have none of the eyewitnesses come forth with testimony, photos, or videos that contradicts the official account and what was seen on TV? 

Is it possible there was more going on that we don’t know about?  Is it possible that it took more than just planes to bring down the towers? I don’t know the answers to those questions but I’ll concede that there may be more here than the official story.  However, it’s a stone-cold verified fact that planes hit those towers and they collapsed as we saw on TV. 

What you don’t seem to understand is that it’s impossible to keep a million eye witnesses from seeing, recording, and talking about what happened.  Also, it’s impossible to silence that many people.  Especially before they spread the word.  Given this impossibility, at some point you have to concede that there were planes and the towers collapsed from the top down. 

Give real answers this time.

Stop already with the challenge crap.  Nobody believes you’ll pay and most people don’t even believe you have the money.  It’s a piss poor attempt at misdirection.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on August 17, 2017, 05:10:21 PM
It is quite easy to fool Americans using MSM.

I have to agree with this.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on August 17, 2017, 05:12:01 PM
1. Eyewitnesses in Jersey and Long Island could see the second plane come over the harbor from Jersey. If there was no plane, why have none of those eyewitnesses come forth with testimony, photos, or videos that contradicts the official account and what was seen on TV?

2. The collapses were seen by those eyewitnesses; those from the east and west had an especially good view for that.  If the towers didn’t collapse from the top down, why have none of the eyewitnesses come forth with testimony, photos, or videos that contradicts the official account and what was seen on TV? 

Is it possible there was more going on that we don’t know about?  Is it possible that it took more than just planes to bring down the towers? I don’t know the answers to those questions but I’ll concede that there may be more here than the official story.  However, it’s a stone-cold verified fact that planes hit those towers and they collapsed as we saw on TV. 

What you don’t seem to understand is that it’s impossible to keep a million eye witnesses from seeing, recording, and talking about what happened.  Also, it’s impossible to silence that many people.  Especially before they spread the word.  Given this impossibility, at some point you have to concede that there were planes and the towers collapsed from the top down. 

Give real answers this time.

Stop already with the challenge crap.  Nobody believes you’ll pay and most people don’t even believe you have the money.  It’s a piss poor attempt at misdirection.
Mike

I agree with this also. Planes hit wtc 1 and 2. I have some doubt they were the planes we were told but regardless, planes hit the towers.

The towers most certainly collapsed.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 17, 2017, 05:26:03 PM
1. Eyewitnesses in Jersey and Long Island could see the second plane come over the harbor from Jersey. If there was no plane, why have none of those eyewitnesses come forth with testimony, photos, or videos that contradicts the official account and what was seen on TV?

2. The collapses were seen by those eyewitnesses; those from the east and west had an especially good view for that.  If the towers didn’t collapse from the top down, why have none of the eyewitnesses come forth with testimony, photos, or videos that contradicts the official account and what was seen on TV? 

Is it possible there was more going on that we don’t know about?  Is it possible that it took more than just planes to bring down the towers? I don’t know the answers to those questions but I’ll concede that there may be more here than the official story.  However, it’s a stone-cold verified fact that planes hit those towers and they collapsed as we saw on TV. 

What you don’t seem to understand is that it’s impossible to keep a million eye witnesses from seeing, recording, and talking about what happened.  Also, it’s impossible to silence that many people.  Especially before they spread the word.  Given this impossibility, at some point you have to concede that there were planes and the towers collapsed from the top down. 

Give real answers this time.

Stop already with the challenge crap.  Nobody believes you’ll pay and most people don’t even believe you have the money.  It’s a piss poor attempt at misdirection.
Mike

I agree with this also. Planes hit wtc 1 and 2. I have some doubt they were the planes we were told but regardless, planes hit the towers.

The towers most certainly collapsed.
If it weren't the planes we were told then where are they and the flight crew/passengers?

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on August 17, 2017, 07:43:50 PM
1. Eyewitnesses in Jersey and Long Island could see the second plane come over the harbor from Jersey. If there was no plane, why have none of those eyewitnesses come forth with testimony, photos, or videos that contradicts the official account and what was seen on TV?

2. The collapses were seen by those eyewitnesses; those from the east and west had an especially good view for that.  If the towers didn’t collapse from the top down, why have none of the eyewitnesses come forth with testimony, photos, or videos that contradicts the official account and what was seen on TV? 

Is it possible there was more going on that we don’t know about?  Is it possible that it took more than just planes to bring down the towers? I don’t know the answers to those questions but I’ll concede that there may be more here than the official story.  However, it’s a stone-cold verified fact that planes hit those towers and they collapsed as we saw on TV. 

What you don’t seem to understand is that it’s impossible to keep a million eye witnesses from seeing, recording, and talking about what happened.  Also, it’s impossible to silence that many people.  Especially before they spread the word.  Given this impossibility, at some point you have to concede that there were planes and the towers collapsed from the top down. 

Give real answers this time.

Stop already with the challenge crap.  Nobody believes you’ll pay and most people don’t even believe you have the money.  It’s a piss poor attempt at misdirection.
Mike

I agree with this also. Planes hit wtc 1 and 2. I have some doubt they were the planes we were told but regardless, planes hit the towers.

The towers most certainly collapsed.
If it weren't the planes we were told then where are they and the flight crew/passengers?

Mike

I'm not sure.

I know that this is not part of a commercial 767.

(https://s22.postimg.org/rd3wqp3k1/b97de014b9cf387effe27342e13e505c--wtc---north-to.jpg)

I know that all three planes that crashed exceeded their safety design limits.

(https://s29.postimg.org/knt8g4mmv/images-27.jpg)

I know that the pentagon plane pulled off maneuvers that led flight controllers into initially thinking that it was a military jet.

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123822

I know that the plane hitting the pentagon had about a 0.1% chance of crashing like it did.

(https://s27.postimg.org/e1ek8bjmb/images-33.jpg)

I know that plane crashes don't vaporise planes except on 9/11.

(https://s11.postimg.org/qw9ce0z1v/Flight-93-1.jpg)

I'm not sure what happened to the people on the planes but please listen to this.

"It's a frame."

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 17, 2017, 11:00:24 PM

Wow.  That’s not even close to answering the questions.  And, it’s a poor attempt at trying to avoid answering at that.  We both know you understood what I was asking but I’ll clarify the questions for you just so there is no ambiguity.  I'll even cut it down to two.

1. Eyewitnesses in Jersey and Long Island could see the second plane come over the harbor from Jersey. If there was no plane, why have none of those eyewitnesses come forth with testimony, photos, or videos that contradicts the official account and what was seen on TV?

2. The collapses were seen by those eyewitnesses; those from the east and west had an especially good view for that.  If the towers didn’t collapse from the top down, why have none of the eyewitnesses come forth with testimony, photos, or videos that contradicts the official account and what was seen on TV? 

Is it possible there was more going on that we don’t know about?  Is it possible that it took more than just planes to bring down the towers? I don’t know the answers to those questions but I’ll concede that there may be more here than the official story.  However, it’s a stone-cold verified fact that planes hit those towers and they collapsed as we saw on TV. 

What you don’t seem to understand is that it’s impossible to keep a million eye witnesses from seeing, recording, and talking about what happened.  Also, it’s impossible to silence that many people.  Especially before they spread the word.  Given this impossibility, at some point you have to concede that there were planes and the towers collapsed from the top down. 

Give real answers this time.

Stop already with the challenge crap.  Nobody believes you’ll pay and most people don’t even believe you have the money.  It’s a piss poor attempt at misdirection.

Mike

Well, planes do not bring down skyscrapers in fountains of dust and smoke - weak top part C cannot crush intact bottom part A by gravity. All footage of fountains of dust and smoke are CGI!

So any eyewitness having seen and made photos/videos of fountains of dust and smoke are lying or working for the terrorists.

It seems the whole WTC complex was destroyed by controlled demolitions using nano-thermite.

I used to live 1999-2016 at Freiberg i.Sa, which is hub of nano-chemistry university research and local industrial production and I recall someone suggesting that you could destroy steel structures using nano-thermite explosives.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 18, 2017, 01:59:28 AM

Wow.  That’s not even close to answering the questions.  And, it’s a poor attempt at trying to avoid answering at that.  We both know you understood what I was asking but I’ll clarify the questions for you just so there is no ambiguity.  I'll even cut it down to two.

1. Eyewitnesses in Jersey and Long Island could see the second plane come over the harbor from Jersey. If there was no plane, why have none of those eyewitnesses come forth with testimony, photos, or videos that contradicts the official account and what was seen on TV?

2. The collapses were seen by those eyewitnesses; those from the east and west had an especially good view for that.  If the towers didn’t collapse from the top down, why have none of the eyewitnesses come forth with testimony, photos, or videos that contradicts the official account and what was seen on TV? 

Is it possible there was more going on that we don’t know about?  Is it possible that it took more than just planes to bring down the towers? I don’t know the answers to those questions but I’ll concede that there may be more here than the official story.  However, it’s a stone-cold verified fact that planes hit those towers and they collapsed as we saw on TV. 

What you don’t seem to understand is that it’s impossible to keep a million eye witnesses from seeing, recording, and talking about what happened.  Also, it’s impossible to silence that many people.  Especially before they spread the word.  Given this impossibility, at some point you have to concede that there were planes and the towers collapsed from the top down. 

Give real answers this time.

Stop already with the challenge crap.  Nobody believes you’ll pay and most people don’t even believe you have the money.  It’s a piss poor attempt at misdirection.

Mike

Well, planes do not bring down skyscrapers in fountains of dust and smoke - weak top part C cannot crush intact bottom part A by gravity. All footage of fountains of dust and smoke are CGI!

So any eyewitness having seen and made photos/videos of fountains of dust and smoke are lying or working for the terrorists.

It seems the whole WTC complex was destroyed by controlled demolitions using nano-thermite.

I used to live 1999-2016 at Freiberg i.Sa, which is hub of nano-chemistry university research and local industrial production and I recall someone suggesting that you could destroy steel structures using nano-thermite explosives.
That’s not what I asked.  You're just posting crap to avoid being wrong.  It's your theory so you're responsible for backing it up.   Now, answer the questions. 

1. Eyewitnesses in Jersey and Long Island could see the second plane come over the harbor from Jersey. If there was no plane, why have none of those eyewitnesses come forth with testimony, photos, or videos that contradicts the official account of what was seen on TV and tell everyone there were no planes?

2. The collapses were seen by those eyewitnesses; those from the east and west had an especially good view for that.  If the towers didn’t collapse from the top down, why have none of those eyewitnesses come forth with testimony, photos, or videos that contradicts the official account of what was seen on TV and tell everyone that the towers didn't collapse from the top down?

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on August 18, 2017, 03:15:04 AM
Mike youre objectively pretty bright. I've been reading your posts. I don't think it's worth your time to debate Heiwa. I'd love to discuss 9/11 with you if you want the point of view of an actual truther.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 18, 2017, 03:27:19 AM

That’s not what I asked.  You're just posting crap to avoid being wrong.  It's your theory so you're responsible for backing it up.   Now, answer the questions. 

1. Eyewitnesses in Jersey and Long Island could see the second plane come over the harbor from Jersey. If there was no plane, why have none of those eyewitnesses come forth with testimony, photos, or videos that contradicts the official account of what was seen on TV and tell everyone there were no planes?

2. The collapses were seen by those eyewitnesses; those from the east and west had an especially good view for that.  If the towers didn’t collapse from the top down, why have none of those eyewitnesses come forth with testimony, photos, or videos that contradicts the official account of what was seen on TV and tell everyone that the towers didn't collapse from the top down?

Mike

I don't know any people in New Jersey and Long Island and what they saw 9/11 2001. If such people say they saw WTC towers collapse in fountains of smoke and dust, I say they lie. You cannot see these towers from Long Island.

I haven't seen any flag poles or similar structures collapse, so I could go and catch a camera and film it. But if they collapse, they break at a weak point in the structure, and the tops fall sideways and do not crush the intact part below.

And no smoke and dust.

I have analyzed 100's of structural failures of different kinds. But none produce smoke and dust!

You said you were married. But to what? Another twerp?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 18, 2017, 04:00:22 AM
Mike youre objectively pretty bright. I've been reading your posts. I don't think it's worth your time to debate Heiwa. I'd love to discuss 9/11 with you if you want the point of view of an actual truther.
I mean no disrespect but I'm not interested in having yet another protracted discussion on 9/11.

Heiwa called me, my family, and my friends liars. I'm going to be a thorn in his side for a while and hope he sees the truth.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Badxtoss on August 18, 2017, 04:07:51 AM
Mike youre objectively pretty bright. I've been reading your posts. I don't think it's worth your time to debate Heiwa. I'd love to discuss 9/11 with you if you want the point of view of an actual truther.
I mean no disrespect but I'm not interested in having yet another protracted discussion on 9/11.

Heiwa called me, my family, and my friends liars. I'm going to be a thorn in his side for a while and hope he sees the truth.

Mike
I think he is literally incapable of seeing the truth.  His brain simply cannot process information that disagrees with him.  He is damaged in some way that won't allow him to see anything that might prove him wrong.  It's kind of sad really.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on August 18, 2017, 04:36:36 AM

That’s not what I asked.  You're just posting crap to avoid being wrong.  It's your theory so you're responsible for backing it up.   Now, answer the questions. 

1. Eyewitnesses in Jersey and Long Island could see the second plane come over the harbor from Jersey. If there was no plane, why have none of those eyewitnesses come forth with testimony, photos, or videos that contradicts the official account of what was seen on TV and tell everyone there were no planes?

2. The collapses were seen by those eyewitnesses; those from the east and west had an especially good view for that.  If the towers didn’t collapse from the top down, why have none of those eyewitnesses come forth with testimony, photos, or videos that contradicts the official account of what was seen on TV and tell everyone that the towers didn't collapse from the top down?

Mike

I don't know any people in New Jersey and Long Island and what they saw 9/11 2001. If such people say they saw WTC towers collapse in fountains of smoke and dust, I say they lie. You cannot see these towers from Long Island.

I haven't seen any flag poles or similar structures collapse, so I could go and catch a camera and film it. But if they collapse, they break at a weak point in the structure, and the tops fall sideways and do not crush the intact part below.

And no smoke and dust.

I have analyzed 100's of structural failures of different kinds. But none produce smoke and dust!

You said you were married. But to what? Another twerp?
There you go attacking my wife again.  You can’t get me to back off by attacking me you’ll start attacking my family...is that how it works.  Nice try.

AGAIN, YOU DIDN’T ANSWER THE QUESTION.  Why hasn’t even a single one of those eyewitnesses contradicted the official account with anything that backs up your no plane, bottom up theory??

Are you really that stupid?  You do know I’m from that area so why would you say you can’t see the towers from Long Island.  AAMOF, you have a better view that you do from Jersey.  Redhook and Brooklyn Heights on Long Island have direct line of sight and are closer than Jersey City, Bayonne, and Hoboken in New Jersey.  You actually have better views than from New Jersey.  Another lie or just plain ignorance on your part?

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 18, 2017, 05:23:10 AM
If it weren't the planes we were told then where are they and the flight crew/passengers?

Mike

I'm not sure.

I know that this is not part of a commercial 767.

(https://s22.postimg.org/rd3wqp3k1/b97de014b9cf387effe27342e13e505c--wtc---north-to.jpg)

I know that all three planes that crashed exceeded their safety design limits.

(https://s29.postimg.org/knt8g4mmv/images-27.jpg)

I know that the pentagon plane pulled off maneuvers that led flight controllers into initially thinking that it was a military jet.

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123822

I know that the plane hitting the pentagon had about a 0.1% chance of crashing like it did.

(https://s27.postimg.org/e1ek8bjmb/images-33.jpg)

I know that plane crashes don't vaporise planes except on 9/11.

(https://s11.postimg.org/qw9ce0z1v/Flight-93-1.jpg)

I'm not sure what happened to the people on the planes but please listen to this.

"It's a frame."


Interesting info.  However, I’ve always thought the velocity argument was a red herring.  They would only need the plane to stay stable enough for straight flight long enough for impact...one minute tops.  I believe I remember acceleration rate of a 767 at takeoff is >2 kts/sec.  It’s probably higher in level flight let’s use that number.  You could go from 400 to 510 knots in under a minute.  From below that max operating velocity to 1.26 times max operating in about 55 seconds.  If you started accelerating in Jersey I believe it’s reasonable to believe you could reach 510 knots at impact without the plane breaking up.

As far as failure goes, you would not expect exceeding the limit by one knot to cause instantaneous catastrophic failure.  The question how far over the velocity limit would you fail.  Let’s assume a factor of safety on that to be at 1.5; which would imply you could get to 600 knots before catastrophic failure. Hell, let’s say its 1.25 or about 500 knots.  Even if that were the limit for catastrophic failure the plane still could have impacted with a velocity of 510 knots if it were accelerating at the time of impact.

IMHO, the impact velocities would have been easily attainable without compromising stability and without catastrophic failure simply by waiting for the last minute to accelerate into the towers.  Impact velocities are a red herring.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: frenat on August 18, 2017, 05:25:34 AM
I know that this is not part of a commercial 767.

(https://s22.postimg.org/rd3wqp3k1/b97de014b9cf387effe27342e13e505c--wtc---north-to.jpg)

Why?  It looks like the fairing that covers the landing gear to me.
This truther site agrees
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/salter/pod.html#fairing
If there was something else attached there then the landing gear would be inoperable.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 18, 2017, 05:50:09 AM

That’s not what I asked.  You're just posting crap to avoid being wrong.  It's your theory so you're responsible for backing it up.   Now, answer the questions. 

1. Eyewitnesses in Jersey and Long Island could see the second plane come over the harbor from Jersey. If there was no plane, why have none of those eyewitnesses come forth with testimony, photos, or videos that contradicts the official account of what was seen on TV and tell everyone there were no planes?

2. The collapses were seen by those eyewitnesses; those from the east and west had an especially good view for that.  If the towers didn’t collapse from the top down, why have none of those eyewitnesses come forth with testimony, photos, or videos that contradicts the official account of what was seen on TV and tell everyone that the towers didn't collapse from the top down?

Mike

I don't know any people in New Jersey and Long Island and what they saw 9/11 2001. If such people say they saw WTC towers collapse in fountains of smoke and dust, I say they lie. You cannot see these towers from Long Island.

I haven't seen any flag poles or similar structures collapse, so I could go and catch a camera and film it. But if they collapse, they break at a weak point in the structure, and the tops fall sideways and do not crush the intact part below.

And no smoke and dust.

I have analyzed 100's of structural failures of different kinds. But none produce smoke and dust!

You said you were married. But to what? Another twerp?
There you go attacking my wife again.  You can’t get me to back off by attacking me you’ll start attacking my family...is that how it works.  Nice try.

AGAIN, YOU DIDN’T ANSWER THE QUESTION.  Why hasn’t even a single one of those eyewitnesses contradicted the official account with anything that backs up your no plane, bottom up theory??

Are you really that stupid?  You do know I’m from that area so why would you say you can’t see the towers from Long Island.  AAMOF, you have a better view that you do from Jersey.  Redhook and Brooklyn Heights on Long Island have direct line of sight and are closer than Jersey City, Bayonne, and Hoboken in New Jersey.  You actually have better views than from New Jersey.  Another lie or just plain ignorance on your part?

Mike

Hm, it seems a twerp married you, another twerp, and it is logical. Who else would marry a twerp.

Re your question about the official GWB/Condileezza 911 account with Arabs hijacking planes, etc, etc, I think they made it up. No Arabs, no hijackings. So no people at NJ/LI could have seen Arabs flying planes, etc, etc. They saw something else. Probably a magic show.

Have you ever been to a magig show? These magicians are pretty clever to fool you making people, rabbits and birds disappaer and appear. Only terrorists suggest it is real.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on August 18, 2017, 06:01:44 AM

That’s not what I asked.  You're just posting crap to avoid being wrong.  It's your theory so you're responsible for backing it up.   Now, answer the questions. 

1. Eyewitnesses in Jersey and Long Island could see the second plane come over the harbor from Jersey. If there was no plane, why have none of those eyewitnesses come forth with testimony, photos, or videos that contradicts the official account of what was seen on TV and tell everyone there were no planes?

2. The collapses were seen by those eyewitnesses; those from the east and west had an especially good view for that.  If the towers didn’t collapse from the top down, why have none of those eyewitnesses come forth with testimony, photos, or videos that contradicts the official account of what was seen on TV and tell everyone that the towers didn't collapse from the top down?

Mike

I don't know any people in New Jersey and Long Island and what they saw 9/11 2001. If such people say they saw WTC towers collapse in fountains of smoke and dust, I say they lie. You cannot see these towers from Long Island.

I haven't seen any flag poles or similar structures collapse, so I could go and catch a camera and film it. But if they collapse, they break at a weak point in the structure, and the tops fall sideways and do not crush the intact part below.

And no smoke and dust.

I have analyzed 100's of structural failures of different kinds. But none produce smoke and dust!

You said you were married. But to what? Another twerp?
There you go attacking my wife again.  You can’t get me to back off by attacking me you’ll start attacking my family...is that how it works.  Nice try.

AGAIN, YOU DIDN’T ANSWER THE QUESTION.  Why hasn’t even a single one of those eyewitnesses contradicted the official account with anything that backs up your no plane, bottom up theory??

Are you really that stupid?  You do know I’m from that area so why would you say you can’t see the towers from Long Island.  AAMOF, you have a better view that you do from Jersey.  Redhook and Brooklyn Heights on Long Island have direct line of sight and are closer than Jersey City, Bayonne, and Hoboken in New Jersey.  You actually have better views than from New Jersey.  Another lie or just plain ignorance on your part?

Mike

Hm, it seems a twerp married you, another twerp, and it is logical. Who else would marry a twerp.

Re your question about the official GWB/Condileezza 911 account with Arabs hijacking planes, etc, etc, I think they made it up. No Arabs, no hijackings. So no people at NJ/LI could have seen Arabs flying planes, etc, etc. They saw something else. Probably a magic show.

Have you ever been to a magig show? These magicians are pretty clever to fool you making people, rabbits and birds disappaer and appear. Only terrorists suggest it is real.
You really are afraid to answer the question. Amazing. You've been at this for how many years ?   You didn't even do enough research to even answer a simple question that forms the basis you theory.

Shoddy Research

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 18, 2017, 06:17:46 AM

That’s not what I asked.  You're just posting crap to avoid being wrong.  It's your theory so you're responsible for backing it up.   Now, answer the questions. 

1. Eyewitnesses in Jersey and Long Island could see the second plane come over the harbor from Jersey. If there was no plane, why have none of those eyewitnesses come forth with testimony, photos, or videos that contradicts the official account of what was seen on TV and tell everyone there were no planes?

2. The collapses were seen by those eyewitnesses; those from the east and west had an especially good view for that.  If the towers didn’t collapse from the top down, why have none of those eyewitnesses come forth with testimony, photos, or videos that contradicts the official account of what was seen on TV and tell everyone that the towers didn't collapse from the top down?

Mike

I don't know any people in New Jersey and Long Island and what they saw 9/11 2001. If such people say they saw WTC towers collapse in fountains of smoke and dust, I say they lie. You cannot see these towers from Long Island.

I haven't seen any flag poles or similar structures collapse, so I could go and catch a camera and film it. But if they collapse, they break at a weak point in the structure, and the tops fall sideways and do not crush the intact part below.

And no smoke and dust.

I have analyzed 100's of structural failures of different kinds. But none produce smoke and dust!

You said you were married. But to what? Another twerp?
There you go attacking my wife again.  You can’t get me to back off by attacking me you’ll start attacking my family...is that how it works.  Nice try.

AGAIN, YOU DIDN’T ANSWER THE QUESTION.  Why hasn’t even a single one of those eyewitnesses contradicted the official account with anything that backs up your no plane, bottom up theory??

Are you really that stupid?  You do know I’m from that area so why would you say you can’t see the towers from Long Island.  AAMOF, you have a better view that you do from Jersey.  Redhook and Brooklyn Heights on Long Island have direct line of sight and are closer than Jersey City, Bayonne, and Hoboken in New Jersey.  You actually have better views than from New Jersey.  Another lie or just plain ignorance on your part?

Mike

Hm, it seems a twerp married you, another twerp, and it is logical. Who else would marry a twerp.

Re your question about the official GWB/Condileezza 911 account with Arabs hijacking planes, etc, etc, I think they made it up. No Arabs, no hijackings. So no people at NJ/LI could have seen Arabs flying planes, etc, etc. They saw something else. Probably a magic show.

Have you ever been to a magig show? These magicians are pretty clever to fool you making people, rabbits and birds disappaer and appear. Only terrorists suggest it is real.
You really are afraid to answer the question. Amazing. You've been at this for how many years ?   You didn't even do enough research to even answer a simple question that forms the basis you theory.

Shoddy Research

Mike

Hm, I remember GWB saying on TV just after 911 that, if you didn't believe him, you were a terrorist and would be shot at sight. So plenty eyewitnesses probably decided to shut up.

You avoid the question about your marriage. How did it happen? An accident? Where did you meet? In a mental hospital? It sounds romantic!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on August 18, 2017, 06:27:14 AM

That’s not what I asked.  You're just posting crap to avoid being wrong.  It's your theory so you're responsible for backing it up.   Now, answer the questions. 

1. Eyewitnesses in Jersey and Long Island could see the second plane come over the harbor from Jersey. If there was no plane, why have none of those eyewitnesses come forth with testimony, photos, or videos that contradicts the official account of what was seen on TV and tell everyone there were no planes?

2. The collapses were seen by those eyewitnesses; those from the east and west had an especially good view for that.  If the towers didn’t collapse from the top down, why have none of those eyewitnesses come forth with testimony, photos, or videos that contradicts the official account of what was seen on TV and tell everyone that the towers didn't collapse from the top down?

Mike

I don't know any people in New Jersey and Long Island and what they saw 9/11 2001. If such people say they saw WTC towers collapse in fountains of smoke and dust, I say they lie. You cannot see these towers from Long Island.

I haven't seen any flag poles or similar structures collapse, so I could go and catch a camera and film it. But if they collapse, they break at a weak point in the structure, and the tops fall sideways and do not crush the intact part below.

And no smoke and dust.

I have analyzed 100's of structural failures of different kinds. But none produce smoke and dust!

You said you were married. But to what? Another twerp?
There you go attacking my wife again.  You can’t get me to back off by attacking me you’ll start attacking my family...is that how it works.  Nice try.

AGAIN, YOU DIDN’T ANSWER THE QUESTION.  Why hasn’t even a single one of those eyewitnesses contradicted the official account with anything that backs up your no plane, bottom up theory??

Are you really that stupid?  You do know I’m from that area so why would you say you can’t see the towers from Long Island.  AAMOF, you have a better view that you do from Jersey.  Redhook and Brooklyn Heights on Long Island have direct line of sight and are closer than Jersey City, Bayonne, and Hoboken in New Jersey.  You actually have better views than from New Jersey.  Another lie or just plain ignorance on your part?

Mike

Hm, it seems a twerp married you, another twerp, and it is logical. Who else would marry a twerp.

Re your question about the official GWB/Condileezza 911 account with Arabs hijacking planes, etc, etc, I think they made it up. No Arabs, no hijackings. So no people at NJ/LI could have seen Arabs flying planes, etc, etc. They saw something else. Probably a magic show.

Have you ever been to a magig show? These magicians are pretty clever to fool you making people, rabbits and birds disappaer and appear. Only terrorists suggest it is real.
You really are afraid to answer the question. Amazing. You've been at this for how many years ?   You didn't even do enough research to even answer a simple question that forms the basis you theory.

Shoddy Research

Mike

Hm, I remember GWB saying on TV just after 911 that, if you didn't believe him, you were a terrorist and would be shot at sight. So plenty eyewitnesses probably decided to shut up.

You avoid the question about your marriage. How did it happen? An accident? Where did you meet? In a mental hospital? It sounds romantic!
Liar.  Bush never said that.  Show us the transcript of that statement or admit you are a liar and a failure.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 18, 2017, 06:32:20 AM

That’s not what I asked.  You're just posting crap to avoid being wrong.  It's your theory so you're responsible for backing it up.   Now, answer the questions. 

1. Eyewitnesses in Jersey and Long Island could see the second plane come over the harbor from Jersey. If there was no plane, why have none of those eyewitnesses come forth with testimony, photos, or videos that contradicts the official account of what was seen on TV and tell everyone there were no planes?

2. The collapses were seen by those eyewitnesses; those from the east and west had an especially good view for that.  If the towers didn’t collapse from the top down, why have none of those eyewitnesses come forth with testimony, photos, or videos that contradicts the official account of what was seen on TV and tell everyone that the towers didn't collapse from the top down?

Mike

I don't know any people in New Jersey and Long Island and what they saw 9/11 2001. If such people say they saw WTC towers collapse in fountains of smoke and dust, I say they lie. You cannot see these towers from Long Island.

I haven't seen any flag poles or similar structures collapse, so I could go and catch a camera and film it. But if they collapse, they break at a weak point in the structure, and the tops fall sideways and do not crush the intact part below.

And no smoke and dust.

I have analyzed 100's of structural failures of different kinds. But none produce smoke and dust!

You said you were married. But to what? Another twerp?
There you go attacking my wife again.  You can’t get me to back off by attacking me you’ll start attacking my family...is that how it works.  Nice try.

AGAIN, YOU DIDN’T ANSWER THE QUESTION.  Why hasn’t even a single one of those eyewitnesses contradicted the official account with anything that backs up your no plane, bottom up theory??

Are you really that stupid?  You do know I’m from that area so why would you say you can’t see the towers from Long Island.  AAMOF, you have a better view that you do from Jersey.  Redhook and Brooklyn Heights on Long Island have direct line of sight and are closer than Jersey City, Bayonne, and Hoboken in New Jersey.  You actually have better views than from New Jersey.  Another lie or just plain ignorance on your part?

Mike

Hm, it seems a twerp married you, another twerp, and it is logical. Who else would marry a twerp.

Re your question about the official GWB/Condileezza 911 account with Arabs hijacking planes, etc, etc, I think they made it up. No Arabs, no hijackings. So no people at NJ/LI could have seen Arabs flying planes, etc, etc. They saw something else. Probably a magic show.

Have you ever been to a magig show? These magicians are pretty clever to fool you making people, rabbits and birds disappaer and appear. Only terrorists suggest it is real.
You really are afraid to answer the question. Amazing. You've been at this for how many years ?   You didn't even do enough research to even answer a simple question that forms the basis you theory.

Shoddy Research

Mike

Hm, I remember GWB saying on TV just after 911 that, if you didn't believe him, you were a terrorist and would be shot at sight. So plenty eyewitnesses probably decided to shut up.

You avoid the question about your marriage. How did it happen? An accident? Where did you meet? In a mental hospital? It sounds romantic!
Liar.  Bush never said that.  Show us the transcript of that statement or admit you are a liar and a failure.
Hm, Bush said that if you didn't join him in his war (that would last a very long time)  against terrorism you were a terrorist. He talked like many twerps on this forum. Of course Bush lost that war so it is better forgotten.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on August 18, 2017, 06:34:10 AM

That’s not what I asked.  You're just posting crap to avoid being wrong.  It's your theory so you're responsible for backing it up.   Now, answer the questions. 

1. Eyewitnesses in Jersey and Long Island could see the second plane come over the harbor from Jersey. If there was no plane, why have none of those eyewitnesses come forth with testimony, photos, or videos that contradicts the official account of what was seen on TV and tell everyone there were no planes?

2. The collapses were seen by those eyewitnesses; those from the east and west had an especially good view for that.  If the towers didn’t collapse from the top down, why have none of those eyewitnesses come forth with testimony, photos, or videos that contradicts the official account of what was seen on TV and tell everyone that the towers didn't collapse from the top down?

Mike

I don't know any people in New Jersey and Long Island and what they saw 9/11 2001. If such people say they saw WTC towers collapse in fountains of smoke and dust, I say they lie. You cannot see these towers from Long Island.

I haven't seen any flag poles or similar structures collapse, so I could go and catch a camera and film it. But if they collapse, they break at a weak point in the structure, and the tops fall sideways and do not crush the intact part below.

And no smoke and dust.

I have analyzed 100's of structural failures of different kinds. But none produce smoke and dust!

You said you were married. But to what? Another twerp?
There you go attacking my wife again.  You can’t get me to back off by attacking me you’ll start attacking my family...is that how it works.  Nice try.

AGAIN, YOU DIDN’T ANSWER THE QUESTION.  Why hasn’t even a single one of those eyewitnesses contradicted the official account with anything that backs up your no plane, bottom up theory??

Are you really that stupid?  You do know I’m from that area so why would you say you can’t see the towers from Long Island.  AAMOF, you have a better view that you do from Jersey.  Redhook and Brooklyn Heights on Long Island have direct line of sight and are closer than Jersey City, Bayonne, and Hoboken in New Jersey.  You actually have better views than from New Jersey.  Another lie or just plain ignorance on your part?

Mike

Hm, it seems a twerp married you, another twerp, and it is logical. Who else would marry a twerp.

Re your question about the official GWB/Condileezza 911 account with Arabs hijacking planes, etc, etc, I think they made it up. No Arabs, no hijackings. So no people at NJ/LI could have seen Arabs flying planes, etc, etc. They saw something else. Probably a magic show.

Have you ever been to a magig show? These magicians are pretty clever to fool you making people, rabbits and birds disappaer and appear. Only terrorists suggest it is real.
You really are afraid to answer the question. Amazing. You've been at this for how many years ?   You didn't even do enough research to even answer a simple question that forms the basis you theory.

Shoddy Research

Mike

Hm, I remember GWB saying on TV just after 911 that, if you didn't believe him, you were a terrorist and would be shot at sight. So plenty eyewitnesses probably decided to shut up.

You avoid the question about your marriage. How did it happen? An accident? Where did you meet? In a mental hospital? It sounds romantic!
Personal questions are off limits. Don't think by insulting my wife you're going to get to me. Nice try but no cigar.

You on the other hand. What a cop out. You know it's impossible to silence that many people. Not to mention there are truthers all over the USA, including AE911, and none of them are in jail.  So what GEB said or didn't say doesn't hold water. Poor try to avoid the question.

Answer the question! 

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on August 18, 2017, 06:35:42 AM

That’s not what I asked.  You're just posting crap to avoid being wrong.  It's your theory so you're responsible for backing it up.   Now, answer the questions. 

1. Eyewitnesses in Jersey and Long Island could see the second plane come over the harbor from Jersey. If there was no plane, why have none of those eyewitnesses come forth with testimony, photos, or videos that contradicts the official account of what was seen on TV and tell everyone there were no planes?

2. The collapses were seen by those eyewitnesses; those from the east and west had an especially good view for that.  If the towers didn’t collapse from the top down, why have none of those eyewitnesses come forth with testimony, photos, or videos that contradicts the official account of what was seen on TV and tell everyone that the towers didn't collapse from the top down?

Mike

I don't know any people in New Jersey and Long Island and what they saw 9/11 2001. If such people say they saw WTC towers collapse in fountains of smoke and dust, I say they lie. You cannot see these towers from Long Island.

I haven't seen any flag poles or similar structures collapse, so I could go and catch a camera and film it. But if they collapse, they break at a weak point in the structure, and the tops fall sideways and do not crush the intact part below.

And no smoke and dust.

I have analyzed 100's of structural failures of different kinds. But none produce smoke and dust!

You said you were married. But to what? Another twerp?
There you go attacking my wife again.  You can’t get me to back off by attacking me you’ll start attacking my family...is that how it works.  Nice try.

AGAIN, YOU DIDN’T ANSWER THE QUESTION.  Why hasn’t even a single one of those eyewitnesses contradicted the official account with anything that backs up your no plane, bottom up theory??

Are you really that stupid?  You do know I’m from that area so why would you say you can’t see the towers from Long Island.  AAMOF, you have a better view that you do from Jersey.  Redhook and Brooklyn Heights on Long Island have direct line of sight and are closer than Jersey City, Bayonne, and Hoboken in New Jersey.  You actually have better views than from New Jersey.  Another lie or just plain ignorance on your part?

Mike

Hm, it seems a twerp married you, another twerp, and it is logical. Who else would marry a twerp.

Re your question about the official GWB/Condileezza 911 account with Arabs hijacking planes, etc, etc, I think they made it up. No Arabs, no hijackings. So no people at NJ/LI could have seen Arabs flying planes, etc, etc. They saw something else. Probably a magic show.

Have you ever been to a magig show? These magicians are pretty clever to fool you making people, rabbits and birds disappaer and appear. Only terrorists suggest it is real.
You really are afraid to answer the question. Amazing. You've been at this for how many years ?   You didn't even do enough research to even answer a simple question that forms the basis you theory.

Shoddy Research

Mike

Hm, I remember GWB saying on TV just after 911 that, if you didn't believe him, you were a terrorist and would be shot at sight. So plenty eyewitnesses probably decided to shut up.

You avoid the question about your marriage. How did it happen? An accident? Where did you meet? In a mental hospital? It sounds romantic!
Liar.  Bush never said that.  Show us the transcript of that statement or admit you are a liar and a failure.
Hm, Bush said that if you didn't join him in his war (that would last a very long time)  against terrorism you were a terrorist. He talked like many twerps on this forum. Of course Bush lost that war so it is better forgotten.
You said, he said on tv that if you disagreed with him you would be shot on sight.  Show me the transcript of that or admit you lied.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 18, 2017, 06:52:18 AM

That’s not what I asked.  You're just posting crap to avoid being wrong.  It's your theory so you're responsible for backing it up.   Now, answer the questions. 

1. Eyewitnesses in Jersey and Long Island could see the second plane come over the harbor from Jersey. If there was no plane, why have none of those eyewitnesses come forth with testimony, photos, or videos that contradicts the official account of what was seen on TV and tell everyone there were no planes?

2. The collapses were seen by those eyewitnesses; those from the east and west had an especially good view for that.  If the towers didn’t collapse from the top down, why have none of those eyewitnesses come forth with testimony, photos, or videos that contradicts the official account of what was seen on TV and tell everyone that the towers didn't collapse from the top down?

Mike

I don't know any people in New Jersey and Long Island and what they saw 9/11 2001. If such people say they saw WTC towers collapse in fountains of smoke and dust, I say they lie. You cannot see these towers from Long Island.

I haven't seen any flag poles or similar structures collapse, so I could go and catch a camera and film it. But if they collapse, they break at a weak point in the structure, and the tops fall sideways and do not crush the intact part below.

And no smoke and dust.

I have analyzed 100's of structural failures of different kinds. But none produce smoke and dust!

You said you were married. But to what? Another twerp?
There you go attacking my wife again.  You can’t get me to back off by attacking me you’ll start attacking my family...is that how it works.  Nice try.

AGAIN, YOU DIDN’T ANSWER THE QUESTION.  Why hasn’t even a single one of those eyewitnesses contradicted the official account with anything that backs up your no plane, bottom up theory??

Are you really that stupid?  You do know I’m from that area so why would you say you can’t see the towers from Long Island.  AAMOF, you have a better view that you do from Jersey.  Redhook and Brooklyn Heights on Long Island have direct line of sight and are closer than Jersey City, Bayonne, and Hoboken in New Jersey.  You actually have better views than from New Jersey.  Another lie or just plain ignorance on your part?

Mike

Hm, it seems a twerp married you, another twerp, and it is logical. Who else would marry a twerp.

Re your question about the official GWB/Condileezza 911 account with Arabs hijacking planes, etc, etc, I think they made it up. No Arabs, no hijackings. So no people at NJ/LI could have seen Arabs flying planes, etc, etc. They saw something else. Probably a magic show.

Have you ever been to a magig show? These magicians are pretty clever to fool you making people, rabbits and birds disappaer and appear. Only terrorists suggest it is real.
You really are afraid to answer the question. Amazing. You've been at this for how many years ?   You didn't even do enough research to even answer a simple question that forms the basis you theory.

Shoddy Research

Mike

Hm, I remember GWB saying on TV just after 911 that, if you didn't believe him, you were a terrorist and would be shot at sight. So plenty eyewitnesses probably decided to shut up.

You avoid the question about your marriage. How did it happen? An accident? Where did you meet? In a mental hospital? It sounds romantic!
Liar.  Bush never said that.  Show us the transcript of that statement or admit you are a liar and a failure.
Hm, Bush said that if you didn't join him in his war (that would last a very long time)  against terrorism you were a terrorist. He talked like many twerps on this forum. Of course Bush lost that war so it is better forgotten.
You said, he said on tv that if you disagreed with him you would be shot on sight.  Show me the transcript of that or admit you lied.

Hm, GWB said so many things so they are difficult to locate at short notice. Try Google! What I really dislike about GWB is his love of human torture. I describe it at my website.   
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on August 18, 2017, 06:57:43 AM

That’s not what I asked.  You're just posting crap to avoid being wrong.  It's your theory so you're responsible for backing it up.   Now, answer the questions. 

1. Eyewitnesses in Jersey and Long Island could see the second plane come over the harbor from Jersey. If there was no plane, why have none of those eyewitnesses come forth with testimony, photos, or videos that contradicts the official account of what was seen on TV and tell everyone there were no planes?

2. The collapses were seen by those eyewitnesses; those from the east and west had an especially good view for that.  If the towers didn’t collapse from the top down, why have none of those eyewitnesses come forth with testimony, photos, or videos that contradicts the official account of what was seen on TV and tell everyone that the towers didn't collapse from the top down?

Mike

I don't know any people in New Jersey and Long Island and what they saw 9/11 2001. If such people say they saw WTC towers collapse in fountains of smoke and dust, I say they lie. You cannot see these towers from Long Island.

I haven't seen any flag poles or similar structures collapse, so I could go and catch a camera and film it. But if they collapse, they break at a weak point in the structure, and the tops fall sideways and do not crush the intact part below.

And no smoke and dust.

I have analyzed 100's of structural failures of different kinds. But none produce smoke and dust!

You said you were married. But to what? Another twerp?
There you go attacking my wife again.  You can’t get me to back off by attacking me you’ll start attacking my family...is that how it works.  Nice try.

AGAIN, YOU DIDN’T ANSWER THE QUESTION.  Why hasn’t even a single one of those eyewitnesses contradicted the official account with anything that backs up your no plane, bottom up theory??

Are you really that stupid?  You do know I’m from that area so why would you say you can’t see the towers from Long Island.  AAMOF, you have a better view that you do from Jersey.  Redhook and Brooklyn Heights on Long Island have direct line of sight and are closer than Jersey City, Bayonne, and Hoboken in New Jersey.  You actually have better views than from New Jersey.  Another lie or just plain ignorance on your part?

Mike

Hm, it seems a twerp married you, another twerp, and it is logical. Who else would marry a twerp.

Re your question about the official GWB/Condileezza 911 account with Arabs hijacking planes, etc, etc, I think they made it up. No Arabs, no hijackings. So no people at NJ/LI could have seen Arabs flying planes, etc, etc. They saw something else. Probably a magic show.

Have you ever been to a magig show? These magicians are pretty clever to fool you making people, rabbits and birds disappaer and appear. Only terrorists suggest it is real.
You really are afraid to answer the question. Amazing. You've been at this for how many years ?   You didn't even do enough research to even answer a simple question that forms the basis you theory.

Shoddy Research

Mike

Hm, I remember GWB saying on TV just after 911 that, if you didn't believe him, you were a terrorist and would be shot at sight. So plenty eyewitnesses probably decided to shut up.

You avoid the question about your marriage. How did it happen? An accident? Where did you meet? In a mental hospital? It sounds romantic!
Liar.  Bush never said that.  Show us the transcript of that statement or admit you are a liar and a failure.
Hm, Bush said that if you didn't join him in his war (that would last a very long time)  against terrorism you were a terrorist. He talked like many twerps on this forum. Of course Bush lost that war so it is better forgotten.
You said, he said on tv that if you disagreed with him you would be shot on sight.  Show me the transcript of that or admit you lied.

Hm, GWB said so many things so they are difficult to locate at short notice. Try Google! What I really dislike about GWB is his love of human torture. I describe it at my website.
So you lied.  Got it.  Really it's just another example of you being a lying failure.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on August 18, 2017, 07:25:40 AM

That’s not what I asked.  You're just posting crap to avoid being wrong.  It's your theory so you're responsible for backing it up.   Now, answer the questions. 

1. Eyewitnesses in Jersey and Long Island could see the second plane come over the harbor from Jersey. If there was no plane, why have none of those eyewitnesses come forth with testimony, photos, or videos that contradicts the official account of what was seen on TV and tell everyone there were no planes?

2. The collapses were seen by those eyewitnesses; those from the east and west had an especially good view for that.  If the towers didn’t collapse from the top down, why have none of those eyewitnesses come forth with testimony, photos, or videos that contradicts the official account of what was seen on TV and tell everyone that the towers didn't collapse from the top down?

Mike

I don't know any people in New Jersey and Long Island and what they saw 9/11 2001. If such people say they saw WTC towers collapse in fountains of smoke and dust, I say they lie. You cannot see these towers from Long Island.

I haven't seen any flag poles or similar structures collapse, so I could go and catch a camera and film it. But if they collapse, they break at a weak point in the structure, and the tops fall sideways and do not crush the intact part below.

And no smoke and dust.

I have analyzed 100's of structural failures of different kinds. But none produce smoke and dust!

You said you were married. But to what? Another twerp?
There you go attacking my wife again.  You can’t get me to back off by attacking me you’ll start attacking my family...is that how it works.  Nice try.

AGAIN, YOU DIDN’T ANSWER THE QUESTION.  Why hasn’t even a single one of those eyewitnesses contradicted the official account with anything that backs up your no plane, bottom up theory??

Are you really that stupid?  You do know I’m from that area so why would you say you can’t see the towers from Long Island.  AAMOF, you have a better view that you do from Jersey.  Redhook and Brooklyn Heights on Long Island have direct line of sight and are closer than Jersey City, Bayonne, and Hoboken in New Jersey.  You actually have better views than from New Jersey.  Another lie or just plain ignorance on your part?

Mike

Hm, it seems a twerp married you, another twerp, and it is logical. Who else would marry a twerp.

Re your question about the official GWB/Condileezza 911 account with Arabs hijacking planes, etc, etc, I think they made it up. No Arabs, no hijackings. So no people at NJ/LI could have seen Arabs flying planes, etc, etc. They saw something else. Probably a magic show.

Have you ever been to a magig show? These magicians are pretty clever to fool you making people, rabbits and birds disappaer and appear. Only terrorists suggest it is real.
You really are afraid to answer the question. Amazing. You've been at this for how many years ?   You didn't even do enough research to even answer a simple question that forms the basis you theory.

Shoddy Research

Mike

Hm, I remember GWB saying on TV just after 911 that, if you didn't believe him, you were a terrorist and would be shot at sight. So plenty eyewitnesses probably decided to shut up.

You avoid the question about your marriage. How did it happen? An accident? Where did you meet? In a mental hospital? It sounds romantic!
Liar.  Bush never said that.  Show us the transcript of that statement or admit you are a liar and a failure.
Hm, Bush said that if you didn't join him in his war (that would last a very long time)  against terrorism you were a terrorist. He talked like many twerps on this forum. Of course Bush lost that war so it is better forgotten.
You said, he said on tv that if you disagreed with him you would be shot on sight.  Show me the transcript of that or admit you lied.

Hm, GWB said so many things so they are difficult to locate at short notice. Try Google! What I really dislike about GWB is his love of human torture. I describe it at my website.
So you lied.  Got it.  Really it's just another example of you being a lying failure.
I'm thinking it was just Anders' spin on GWB's "If you aren't with us, then you're against us" speech.  You have to remember that Anders is old and senile, so he tends to embellish things.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 18, 2017, 08:31:43 AM

I'm thinking it was just Anders' spin on GWB's "If you aren't with us, then you're against us" speech.  You have to remember that Anders is old and senile, so he tends to embellish things.

Thanks for not asking a stupid question, as usual, but thinking. That is progress. And you are right about GWB and his torture program.

However, I am not old and senile but young and fit ... and good looking and rich ... and intelligent and have an interesting life full of surprises. Plenty twerps hate me for it. That's why they are twerps.

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on August 18, 2017, 08:54:13 AM

Quote
I'm thinking it was just Anders' spin on GWB's "If you aren't with us, then you're against us" speech.  You have to remember that Anders is old and senile, so he tends to embellish things.
I know but when he throws out outright lies I like to call him on it.  I honestly think he can't help but lie, it's just the way he is wired.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on August 18, 2017, 09:10:54 AM

I'm thinking it was just Anders' spin on GWB's "If you aren't with us, then you're against us" speech.  You have to remember that Anders is old and senile, so he tends to embellish things.

Thanks for not asking a stupid question, as usual, but thinking. That is progress. And you are right about GWB and his torture program.

However, I am not old and senile but young and fit ... and good looking and rich ... and intelligent and have an interesting life full of surprises. Plenty twerps hate me for it. That's why they are twerps.
Again you ignore the question.  We all know the reason.  Because, you know there isn't an answer. You know it's not possible to fake a "magic" show to that many people.  You know it's not possible to fake a plane flying overhead in Jersey and then on into the south tower.  You know it's not possible to fake a top down collapse for that many people from so many different angles/perspectives.

You know all this but you won't admit it because it negates your whole analysis.  We all know your analysis is a piece of shit.  And, don't bring up your challenge because everyone know you won't pay.

That's why you won't answer the question.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 18, 2017, 09:14:40 AM

. . . and have an interesting life full of surprises.



Sunrise is a surprise to you.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 18, 2017, 09:24:17 AM

I'm thinking it was just Anders' spin on GWB's "If you aren't with us, then you're against us" speech.  You have to remember that Anders is old and senile, so he tends to embellish things.

Thanks for not asking a stupid question, as usual, but thinking. That is progress. And you are right about GWB and his torture program.

However, I am not old and senile but young and fit ... and good looking and rich ... and intelligent and have an interesting life full of surprises. Plenty twerps hate me for it. That's why they are twerps.
Again you ignore the question.  We all know the reason.  Because, you know there isn't an answer. You know it's not possible to fake a "magic" show to that many people.  You know it's not possible to fake a plane flying overhead in Jersey and then on into the south tower.  You know it's not possible to fake a top down collapse for that many people from so many different angles/perspectives.

You know all this but you won't admit it because it negates your whole analysis.  We all know your analysis is a piece of shit.  And, don't bring up your challenge because everyone know you won't pay.

That's why you won't answer the question.

Mike

Please, repeat the question I have not answered.

It know it is very easy to fake "magic" shows to fool million of people.

The first was the a-bomb show 1945! No nuclear bombs exploded anywhere and killed nobody but with a "magic" propaganda show it was easy to fool and scare the whole world.
 
The second was the space race to put men on the Moon ending 1969. No humans have ever been in space anywhere, as they cannot come back and land, but with a "magic" propaganda show it was easy to fool and impress the whole world again ... how easy it was. But it was just trick films.

The 911 Manhattan/Pentagon 911 "magic" show was the third.

So what was the question?

BTW - how is your wife? Rotten?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on August 18, 2017, 09:38:35 AM

I'm thinking it was just Anders' spin on GWB's "If you aren't with us, then you're against us" speech.  You have to remember that Anders is old and senile, so he tends to embellish things.

Thanks for not asking a stupid question, as usual, but thinking. That is progress. And you are right about GWB and his torture program.

However, I am not old and senile but young and fit ... and good looking and rich ... and intelligent and have an interesting life full of surprises. Plenty twerps hate me for it. That's why they are twerps.
Again you ignore the question.  We all know the reason.  Because, you know there isn't an answer. You know it's not possible to fake a "magic" show to that many people.  You know it's not possible to fake a plane flying overhead in Jersey and then on into the south tower.  You know it's not possible to fake a top down collapse for that many people from so many different angles/perspectives.

You know all this but you won't admit it because it negates your whole analysis.  We all know your analysis is a piece of shit.  And, don't bring up your challenge because everyone know you won't pay.

That's why you won't answer the question.

Mike

Please, repeat the question I have not answered.

It know it is very easy to fake "magic" shows to fool million of people.

The first was the a-bomb show 1945! No nuclear bombs exploded anywhere and killed nobody but with a "magic" propaganda show it was easy to fool and scare the whole world.
 
The second was the space race to put men on the Moon ending 1969. No humans have ever been in space anywhere, as they cannot come back and land, but with a "magic" propaganda show it was easy to fool and impress the whole world again ... how easy it was. But it was just trick films.

The 911 Manhattan/Pentagon 911 "magic" show was the third.

So what was the question?

BTW - how is your wife? Rotten?
Here's the question...I know you don't have the balls to answer it but here it is any way.

Why hasn’t even a single one of those eyewitnesses contradicted the official account with anything that backs up your no plane, bottom up theory??

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 18, 2017, 11:20:16 AM

I'm thinking it was just Anders' spin on GWB's "If you aren't with us, then you're against us" speech.  You have to remember that Anders is old and senile, so he tends to embellish things.

Thanks for not asking a stupid question, as usual, but thinking. That is progress. And you are right about GWB and his torture program.

However, I am not old and senile but young and fit ... and good looking and rich ... and intelligent and have an interesting life full of surprises. Plenty twerps hate me for it. That's why they are twerps.
Again you ignore the question.  We all know the reason.  Because, you know there isn't an answer. You know it's not possible to fake a "magic" show to that many people.  You know it's not possible to fake a plane flying overhead in Jersey and then on into the south tower.  You know it's not possible to fake a top down collapse for that many people from so many different angles/perspectives.

You know all this but you won't admit it because it negates your whole analysis.  We all know your analysis is a piece of shit.  And, don't bring up your challenge because everyone know you won't pay.

That's why you won't answer the question.

Mike

Please, repeat the question I have not answered.

It know it is very easy to fake "magic" shows to fool million of people.

The first was the a-bomb show 1945! No nuclear bombs exploded anywhere and killed nobody but with a "magic" propaganda show it was easy to fool and scare the whole world.
 
The second was the space race to put men on the Moon ending 1969. No humans have ever been in space anywhere, as they cannot come back and land, but with a "magic" propaganda show it was easy to fool and impress the whole world again ... how easy it was. But it was just trick films.

The 911 Manhattan/Pentagon 911 "magic" show was the third.

So what was the question?

BTW - how is your wife? Rotten?
Here's the question...I know you don't have the balls to answer it but here it is any way.

Why hasn’t even a single one of those eyewitnesses contradicted the official account with anything that backs up your no plane, bottom up theory??

Mike

But there are plenty such eyewitnesses.  AE911 quote them at their site, etc, etc. Prof. Steven Jones have plenty followers supporting his thermite theory. Just Google. There are hundreds of sites with persons questioning the official lies.

My contribution is only the Björkman Axiom! A small top C a structure cannot crush the intact bottom A into smoke and dust by gravity. Only terrorists believe the opposite.

GWB and Condileezza have no eyewitnesses of their fantasies. They are terrorists.

BTW - How is your wife? Do you have one? Why hasn't she divorced you? You are a twerp.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on August 20, 2017, 05:22:45 PM

I'm thinking it was just Anders' spin on GWB's "If you aren't with us, then you're against us" speech.  You have to remember that Anders is old and senile, so he tends to embellish things.

Thanks for not asking a stupid question, as usual, but thinking. That is progress. And you are right about GWB and his torture program.

However, I am not old and senile but young and fit ... and good looking and rich ... and intelligent and have an interesting life full of surprises. Plenty twerps hate me for it. That's why they are twerps.
Again you ignore the question.  We all know the reason.  Because, you know there isn't an answer. You know it's not possible to fake a "magic" show to that many people.  You know it's not possible to fake a plane flying overhead in Jersey and then on into the south tower.  You know it's not possible to fake a top down collapse for that many people from so many different angles/perspectives.

You know all this but you won't admit it because it negates your whole analysis.  We all know your analysis is a piece of shit.  And, don't bring up your challenge because everyone know you won't pay.

That's why you won't answer the question.

Mike

Please, repeat the question I have not answered.

It know it is very easy to fake "magic" shows to fool million of people.

The first was the a-bomb show 1945! No nuclear bombs exploded anywhere and killed nobody but with a "magic" propaganda show it was easy to fool and scare the whole world.
 
The second was the space race to put men on the Moon ending 1969. No humans have ever been in space anywhere, as they cannot come back and land, but with a "magic" propaganda show it was easy to fool and impress the whole world again ... how easy it was. But it was just trick films.

The 911 Manhattan/Pentagon 911 "magic" show was the third.

So what was the question?

BTW - how is your wife? Rotten?
Here's the question...I know you don't have the balls to answer it but here it is any way.

Why hasn’t even a single one of those eyewitnesses contradicted the official account with anything that backs up your no plane, bottom up theory??

Mike

But there are plenty such eyewitnesses.  AE911 quote them at their site, etc, etc. Prof. Steven Jones have plenty followers supporting his thermite theory. Just Google. There are hundreds of sites with persons questioning the official lies.

My contribution is only the Björkman Axiom! A small top C a structure cannot crush the intact bottom A into smoke and dust by gravity. Only terrorists believe the opposite.

GWB and Condileezza have no eyewitnesses of their fantasies. They are terrorists.

BTW - How is your wife? Do you have one? Why hasn't she divorced you? You are a twerp.
My wife is wonderful as always.  We've been married 34 years last June. 

You, on the other hand, are an idiot if you think disparaging my wife is going to make me quit.  However, it's a pretty low blow and a demonstration of your lack of personal integrity.

You still keep avoiding the question.  If there were many such witnesses then why hasn't even one come forward with evidence that contradicts the official account.

It's okay.  You can admit it.  Everyone knows the truth.  Everyone knows there were planes and nearly 3000 deaths.   

Mike



Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on August 20, 2017, 05:51:48 PM
Whenever Heiwa is getting made a complete and total fool of, he steps up the insults. I think it's one of his unconscious defense mechanisms, along with the Dunning Kruger effect, switching the topic, leaving then coming back and continuing to post as though his position hasn't been completely refuted, and several others I can't think of right now.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 20, 2017, 05:56:18 PM

I'm thinking it was just Anders' spin on GWB's "If you aren't with us, then you're against us" speech.  You have to remember that Anders is old and senile, so he tends to embellish things.

Thanks for not asking a stupid question, as usual, but thinking. That is progress. And you are right about GWB and his torture program.

However, I am not old and senile but young and fit ... and good looking and rich ... and intelligent and have an interesting life full of surprises. Plenty twerps hate me for it. That's why they are twerps.
Again you ignore the question.  We all know the reason.  Because, you know there isn't an answer. You know it's not possible to fake a "magic" show to that many people.  You know it's not possible to fake a plane flying overhead in Jersey and then on into the south tower.  You know it's not possible to fake a top down collapse for that many people from so many different angles/perspectives.

You know all this but you won't admit it because it negates your whole analysis.  We all know your analysis is a piece of shit.  And, don't bring up your challenge because everyone know you won't pay.

That's why you won't answer the question.

Mike

Please, repeat the question I have not answered.

It know it is very easy to fake "magic" shows to fool million of people.

The first was the a-bomb show 1945! No nuclear bombs exploded anywhere and killed nobody but with a "magic" propaganda show it was easy to fool and scare the whole world.
 
The second was the space race to put men on the Moon ending 1969. No humans have ever been in space anywhere, as they cannot come back and land, but with a "magic" propaganda show it was easy to fool and impress the whole world again ... how easy it was. But it was just trick films.

The 911 Manhattan/Pentagon 911 "magic" show was the third.

So what was the question?

BTW - how is your wife? Rotten?
Here's the question...I know you don't have the balls to answer it but here it is any way.

Why hasn’t even a single one of those eyewitnesses contradicted the official account with anything that backs up your no plane, bottom up theory??

Mike

But there are plenty such eyewitnesses.  AE911 quote them at their site, etc, etc. Prof. Steven Jones have plenty followers supporting his thermite theory. Just Google. There are hundreds of sites with persons questioning the official lies.

My contribution is only the Björkman Axiom! A small top C a structure cannot crush the intact bottom A into smoke and dust by gravity. Only terrorists believe the opposite.

GWB and Condileezza have no eyewitnesses of their fantasies. They are terrorists.

BTW - How is your wife? Do you have one? Why hasn't she divorced you? You are a twerp.
My wife is wonderful as always.  We've been married 34 years last June. 

You, on the other hand, are an idiot if you think disparaging my wife is going to make me quit.  However, it's a pretty low blow and a demonstration of your lack of personal integrity.

You still keep avoiding the question.  If there were many such witnesses then why hasn't even one come forward with evidence that contradicts the official account.

It's okay.  You can admit it.  Everyone knows the truth.  Everyone knows there were planes and nearly 3000 deaths.   

Mike

Hm, GWB & Co don't like people contradicting them. GWB & Co like torture. US Congress has confirmed it.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on August 20, 2017, 06:19:33 PM

I'm thinking it was just Anders' spin on GWB's "If you aren't with us, then you're against us" speech.  You have to remember that Anders is old and senile, so he tends to embellish things.

Thanks for not asking a stupid question, as usual, but thinking. That is progress. And you are right about GWB and his torture program.

However, I am not old and senile but young and fit ... and good looking and rich ... and intelligent and have an interesting life full of surprises. Plenty twerps hate me for it. That's why they are twerps.
Again you ignore the question.  We all know the reason.  Because, you know there isn't an answer. You know it's not possible to fake a "magic" show to that many people.  You know it's not possible to fake a plane flying overhead in Jersey and then on into the south tower.  You know it's not possible to fake a top down collapse for that many people from so many different angles/perspectives.

You know all this but you won't admit it because it negates your whole analysis.  We all know your analysis is a piece of shit.  And, don't bring up your challenge because everyone know you won't pay.

That's why you won't answer the question.

Mike

Please, repeat the question I have not answered.

It know it is very easy to fake "magic" shows to fool million of people.

The first was the a-bomb show 1945! No nuclear bombs exploded anywhere and killed nobody but with a "magic" propaganda show it was easy to fool and scare the whole world.
 
The second was the space race to put men on the Moon ending 1969. No humans have ever been in space anywhere, as they cannot come back and land, but with a "magic" propaganda show it was easy to fool and impress the whole world again ... how easy it was. But it was just trick films.

The 911 Manhattan/Pentagon 911 "magic" show was the third.

So what was the question?

BTW - how is your wife? Rotten?
Here's the question...I know you don't have the balls to answer it but here it is any way.

Why hasn’t even a single one of those eyewitnesses contradicted the official account with anything that backs up your no plane, bottom up theory??

Mike

But there are plenty such eyewitnesses.  AE911 quote them at their site, etc, etc. Prof. Steven Jones have plenty followers supporting his thermite theory. Just Google. There are hundreds of sites with persons questioning the official lies.

My contribution is only the Björkman Axiom! A small top C a structure cannot crush the intact bottom A into smoke and dust by gravity. Only terrorists believe the opposite.

GWB and Condileezza have no eyewitnesses of their fantasies. They are terrorists.

BTW - How is your wife? Do you have one? Why hasn't she divorced you? You are a twerp.
My wife is wonderful as always.  We've been married 34 years last June. 

You, on the other hand, are an idiot if you think disparaging my wife is going to make me quit.  However, it's a pretty low blow and a demonstration of your lack of personal integrity.

You still keep avoiding the question.  If there were many such witnesses then why hasn't even one come forward with evidence that contradicts the official account.

It's okay.  You can admit it.  Everyone knows the truth.  Everyone knows there were planes and nearly 3000 deaths.   

Mike

Hm, GWB & Co don't like people contradicting them. GWB & Co like torture. US Congress has confirmed it.
Out of a potential ten million or so people in the area, you're saying that the government figured out who the million-ish eyewitnesses were, visited and coerced every single one of them to keep quiet, and all this before they could hit the internet and cable news. 

That’s the stupidest thing you’ve said yet.  You can’t even come up with a plausible story.

Here’s the truth.  You don’t have to balls to admit you’re wrong.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 20, 2017, 06:31:13 PM

I'm thinking it was just Anders' spin on GWB's "If you aren't with us, then you're against us" speech.  You have to remember that Anders is old and senile, so he tends to embellish things.

Thanks for not asking a stupid question, as usual, but thinking. That is progress. And you are right about GWB and his torture program.

However, I am not old and senile but young and fit ... and good looking and rich ... and intelligent and have an interesting life full of surprises. Plenty twerps hate me for it. That's why they are twerps.
Again you ignore the question.  We all know the reason.  Because, you know there isn't an answer. You know it's not possible to fake a "magic" show to that many people.  You know it's not possible to fake a plane flying overhead in Jersey and then on into the south tower.  You know it's not possible to fake a top down collapse for that many people from so many different angles/perspectives.

You know all this but you won't admit it because it negates your whole analysis.  We all know your analysis is a piece of shit.  And, don't bring up your challenge because everyone know you won't pay.

That's why you won't answer the question.

Mike

Please, repeat the question I have not answered.

It know it is very easy to fake "magic" shows to fool million of people.

The first was the a-bomb show 1945! No nuclear bombs exploded anywhere and killed nobody but with a "magic" propaganda show it was easy to fool and scare the whole world.
 
The second was the space race to put men on the Moon ending 1969. No humans have ever been in space anywhere, as they cannot come back and land, but with a "magic" propaganda show it was easy to fool and impress the whole world again ... how easy it was. But it was just trick films.

The 911 Manhattan/Pentagon 911 "magic" show was the third.

So what was the question?

BTW - how is your wife? Rotten?
Here's the question...I know you don't have the balls to answer it but here it is any way.

Why hasn’t even a single one of those eyewitnesses contradicted the official account with anything that backs up your no plane, bottom up theory??

Mike

But there are plenty such eyewitnesses.  AE911 quote them at their site, etc, etc. Prof. Steven Jones have plenty followers supporting his thermite theory. Just Google. There are hundreds of sites with persons questioning the official lies.

My contribution is only the Björkman Axiom! A small top C a structure cannot crush the intact bottom A into smoke and dust by gravity. Only terrorists believe the opposite.

GWB and Condileezza have no eyewitnesses of their fantasies. They are terrorists.

BTW - How is your wife? Do you have one? Why hasn't she divorced you? You are a twerp.
My wife is wonderful as always.  We've been married 34 years last June. 

You, on the other hand, are an idiot if you think disparaging my wife is going to make me quit.  However, it's a pretty low blow and a demonstration of your lack of personal integrity.

You still keep avoiding the question.  If there were many such witnesses then why hasn't even one come forward with evidence that contradicts the official account.

It's okay.  You can admit it.  Everyone knows the truth.  Everyone knows there were planes and nearly 3000 deaths.   

Mike

Hm, GWB & Co don't like people contradicting them. GWB & Co like torture. US Congress has confirmed it.
Out of a potential ten million or so people in the area, you're saying that the government figured out who the million-ish eyewitnesses were, visited and coerced every single one of them to keep quiet, and all this before they could hit the internet and cable news. 

That’s the stupidest thing you’ve said yet.  You can’t even come up with a plausible story.

Here’s the truth.  You don’t have to balls to admit you’re wrong.

Mike

Well, I just said "GWB & Co don't like people contradicting them. GWB & Co like torture. US Congress has confirmed it."

Why can't you quote me correctly?

Re 911 I don't believe in Arabs landing planes into buildings, which later, suddenly collapses from top, when the weak top crushes the intact, solid bottom producing a fountain of smoke and dust shown live on TV. It contradicts my axiom. And nobody has shown that my axiom is wrong. 
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on August 20, 2017, 06:43:56 PM
Well, I just said "GWB & Co don't like people contradicting them. GWB & Co like torture. US Congress has confirmed it."
I hate to tell you this, but GWB & Co haven't had much to say about the situation for the better part of 10 years.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 20, 2017, 10:46:16 PM
Well, I just said "GWB & Co don't like people contradicting them. GWB & Co like torture. US Congress has confirmed it."
I hate to tell you this, but GWB & Co haven't had much to say about the situation for the better part of 10 years.
Don't tell me. Tell the poor, tortured, Gitmo Arabs still awaiting trial.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on August 21, 2017, 05:27:34 AM

But there are plenty such eyewitnesses.  AE911 quote them at their site, etc, etc. Prof. Steven Jones have plenty followers supporting his thermite theory. Just Google. There are hundreds of sites with persons questioning the official lies.

My contribution is only the Björkman Axiom! A small top C a structure cannot crush the intact bottom A into smoke and dust by gravity. Only terrorists believe the opposite.

GWB and Condileezza have no eyewitnesses of their fantasies. They are terrorists.

BTW - How is your wife? Do you have one? Why hasn't she divorced you? You are a twerp.
My wife is wonderful as always.  We've been married 34 years last June. 

You, on the other hand, are an idiot if you think disparaging my wife is going to make me quit.  However, it's a pretty low blow and a demonstration of your lack of personal integrity.

You still keep avoiding the question.  If there were many such witnesses then why hasn't even one come forward with evidence that contradicts the official account?

It's okay.  You can admit it.  Everyone knows the truth.  Everyone knows there were planes and nearly 3000 deaths.   

Mike

Hm, GWB & Co don't like people contradicting them. GWB & Co like torture. US Congress has confirmed it.
Out of a potential ten million or so people in the area, you're saying that the government figured out who the million-ish eyewitnesses were, visited and coerced every single one of them to keep quiet, and all this before they could hit the internet and cable news. 

That’s the stupidest thing you’ve said yet.  You can’t even come up with a plausible story.

Here’s the truth.  You don’t have to balls to admit you’re wrong.

Mike

Well, I just said "GWB & Co don't like people contradicting them. GWB & Co like torture. US Congress has confirmed it."

Why can't you quote me correctly?

Re 911 I don't believe in Arabs landing planes into buildings, which later, suddenly collapses from top, when the weak top crushes the intact, solid bottom producing a fountain of smoke and dust shown live on TV. It contradicts my axiom. And nobody has shown that my axiom is wrong.
I never actually quoted you but okay, I’ll play your silly misdirection game.  Now you want me to believe that you weren’t implying coercion.  Okay, then you still didn’t answer the question.

Nobody needs to disprove your axiom and here’s why.  For argument sake let’s assume the videos were faked.  You automatically assume that means there were no planes at all.  That’s a completely illogical and unfounded assumption.  The faked videos could easily mean they were trying to hide the type planes that were used?  It could also mean they weren’t exact 767s the official account said they were. 

So, here’s the big problem.  You have videos that you believe are faked but you provide absolutely no evidence as to why they were faked.  And, without any evidence to support it, you make the assumption that faked videos means no planes.  That's akin to saying all crows are black, all crows are birds, and therefore all birds are black.  Your conclusion doesn't make any logical sense.     

Given the huge number of eyewitnesses and TV cameras, it makes more logical sense that if there was a “cover up”, it was intended to hide the true identity of the planes rather than there being no planes at all.

Your assumption that faked videos equals no planes is yet another example of your shoddy research.  It also means that since your analysis is based on there being no planes, the analysis itself is invalid and your so called axiom is a piece of shit.

Now, since you’re clearly implying your comment was not answer my question, answer it now.  If there were many eyewitnesses, then why hasn't even one come forward with evidence that contradicts the official account?  Clearly, the reason is because there were planes.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 21, 2017, 06:53:43 AM

But there are plenty such eyewitnesses.  AE911 quote them at their site, etc, etc. Prof. Steven Jones have plenty followers supporting his thermite theory. Just Google. There are hundreds of sites with persons questioning the official lies.

My contribution is only the Björkman Axiom! A small top C a structure cannot crush the intact bottom A into smoke and dust by gravity. Only terrorists believe the opposite.

GWB and Condileezza have no eyewitnesses of their fantasies. They are terrorists.

BTW - How is your wife? Do you have one? Why hasn't she divorced you? You are a twerp.
My wife is wonderful as always.  We've been married 34 years last June. 

You, on the other hand, are an idiot if you think disparaging my wife is going to make me quit.  However, it's a pretty low blow and a demonstration of your lack of personal integrity.

You still keep avoiding the question.  If there were many such witnesses then why hasn't even one come forward with evidence that contradicts the official account?

It's okay.  You can admit it.  Everyone knows the truth.  Everyone knows there were planes and nearly 3000 deaths.   

Mike

Hm, GWB & Co don't like people contradicting them. GWB & Co like torture. US Congress has confirmed it.
Out of a potential ten million or so people in the area, you're saying that the government figured out who the million-ish eyewitnesses were, visited and coerced every single one of them to keep quiet, and all this before they could hit the internet and cable news. 

That’s the stupidest thing you’ve said yet.  You can’t even come up with a plausible story.

Here’s the truth.  You don’t have to balls to admit you’re wrong.

Mike

Well, I just said "GWB & Co don't like people contradicting them. GWB & Co like torture. US Congress has confirmed it."

Why can't you quote me correctly?

Re 911 I don't believe in Arabs landing planes into buildings, which later, suddenly collapses from top, when the weak top crushes the intact, solid bottom producing a fountain of smoke and dust shown live on TV. It contradicts my axiom. And nobody has shown that my axiom is wrong.
I never actually quoted you but okay, I’ll play your silly misdirection game.  Now you want me to believe that you weren’t implying coercion.  Okay, then you still didn’t answer the question.

Nobody needs to disprove your axiom and here’s why.  For argument sake let’s assume the videos were faked.  You automatically assume that means there were no planes at all.  That’s a completely illogical and unfounded assumption.  The faked videos could easily mean they were trying to hide the type planes that were used?  It could also mean they weren’t exact 767s the official account said they were. 

So, here’s the big problem.  You have videos that you believe are faked but you provide absolutely no evidence as to why they were faked.  And, without any evidence to support it, you make the assumption that faked videos means no planes.  That's akin to saying all crows are black, all crows are birds, and therefore all birds are black.  Your conclusion doesn't make any logical sense.     

Given the huge number of eyewitnesses and TV cameras, it makes more logical sense that if there was a “cover up”, it was intended to hide the true identity of the planes rather than there being no planes at all.

Your assumption that faked videos equals no planes is yet another example of your shoddy research.  It also means that since your analysis is based on there being no planes, the analysis itself is invalid and your so called axiom is a piece of shit.

Now, since you’re clearly implying your comment was not answer my question, answer it now.  If there were many eyewitnesses, then why hasn't even one come forward with evidence that contradicts the official account?  Clearly, the reason is because there were planes.

Mike

Hm, don't tell me. Tell the poor, tortured, Gitmo Arabs still awaiting trial. They are the reasons why no eyewitnesses come forward. Anyone seeing anything that GWB didn't see is a terrorist.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on August 21, 2017, 07:02:31 AM
That doesn't even begin to address the points Mike raised.

Typical tactic though, pretend you've answered when your response is no answer at all.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on August 21, 2017, 09:12:03 AM

Hm, don't tell me. Tell the poor, tortured, Gitmo Arabs still awaiting trial. They are the reasons why no eyewitnesses come forward. Anyone seeing anything that GWB didn't see is a terrorist.
Since that’s the same non-answer you gave me before, and you’ve avoided answering repeated times, it becomes obvious you didn’t research is enough to even answer such a fundamental question.  A question you should be able to answer since it’s the basis of your no plane theory.

Now for an even more fundamental question.  Faking the videos mean one of a few things.

1. They were faked to hide the fact that there were no planes.
2. They were faked to hide the actual identity of the planes.
3. They were faked to hide the fact that the planes were not 767s.

If we make the assumption the videos/photos were faked, and since you had to do the research to determine which of these scenarios was the most likely, why did you conclude there were no planes vice covering up the type of planes?

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 21, 2017, 09:46:52 AM

Hm, don't tell me. Tell the poor, tortured, Gitmo Arabs still awaiting trial. They are the reasons why no eyewitnesses come forward. Anyone seeing anything that GWB didn't see is a terrorist.
Since that’s the same non-answer you gave me before, and you’ve avoided answering repeated times, it becomes obvious you didn’t research is enough to even answer such a fundamental question.  A question you should be able to answer since it’s the basis of your no plane theory.

Now for an even more fundamental question.  Faking the videos mean one of a few things.

1. They were faked to hide the fact that there were no planes.
2. They were faked to hide the actual identity of the planes.
3. They were faked to hide the fact that the planes were not 767s.

If we make the assumption the videos/photos were faked, and since you had to do the research to determine which of these scenarios was the most likely, why did you conclude there were no planes vice covering up the type of planes?

Mike

All footage of WTC911 is false! First the planes slicing into the buildings. Second the buildings on fire up top. Third the confusion down at streel level with fake reporters running around talking to fake eye witnesses, while, amazingly, the towers collapse in the backgrounds in fountains of smoke and dust. Fourth - fake people running away on the ground. Fifth - fake people taking pictures from NJ and LI.
Great show but ... all fakery. Easy to show in a court of justice, if the Arabs at Gitmo are brought there. What are we waiting for? Shouldn't the Arabs be given a fair trial?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on August 21, 2017, 10:04:22 AM

Hm, don't tell me. Tell the poor, tortured, Gitmo Arabs still awaiting trial. They are the reasons why no eyewitnesses come forward. Anyone seeing anything that GWB didn't see is a terrorist.
Since that’s the same non-answer you gave me before, and you’ve avoided answering repeated times, it becomes obvious you didn’t research is enough to even answer such a fundamental question.  A question you should be able to answer since it’s the basis of your no plane theory.

Now for an even more fundamental question.  Faking the videos mean one of a few things.

1. They were faked to hide the fact that there were no planes.
2. They were faked to hide the actual identity of the planes.
3. They were faked to hide the fact that the planes were not 767s.

If we make the assumption the videos/photos were faked, and since you had to do the research to determine which of these scenarios was the most likely, why did you conclude there were no planes vice covering up the type of planes?

Mike

All footage of WTC911 is false! First the planes slicing into the buildings. Second the buildings on fire up top. Third the confusion down at streel level with fake reporters running around talking to fake eye witnesses, while, amazingly, the towers collapse in the backgrounds in fountains of smoke and dust. Fourth - fake people running away on the ground. Fifth - fake people taking pictures from NJ and LI.
Great show but ... all fakery. Easy to show in a court of justice, if the Arabs at Gitmo are brought there. What are we waiting for? Shouldn't the Arabs be given a fair trial?
That's not what I asked you. Reread the question and try again.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 21, 2017, 10:19:25 AM

Hm, don't tell me. Tell the poor, tortured, Gitmo Arabs still awaiting trial. They are the reasons why no eyewitnesses come forward. Anyone seeing anything that GWB didn't see is a terrorist.
Since that’s the same non-answer you gave me before, and you’ve avoided answering repeated times, it becomes obvious you didn’t research is enough to even answer such a fundamental question.  A question you should be able to answer since it’s the basis of your no plane theory.

Now for an even more fundamental question.  Faking the videos mean one of a few things.

1. They were faked to hide the fact that there were no planes.
2. They were faked to hide the actual identity of the planes.
3. They were faked to hide the fact that the planes were not 767s.

If we make the assumption the videos/photos were faked, and since you had to do the research to determine which of these scenarios was the most likely, why did you conclude there were no planes vice covering up the type of planes?

Mike

All footage of WTC911 is false! First the planes slicing into the buildings. Second the buildings on fire up top. Third the confusion down at streel level with fake reporters running around talking to fake eye witnesses, while, amazingly, the towers collapse in the backgrounds in fountains of smoke and dust. Fourth - fake people running away on the ground. Fifth - fake people taking pictures from NJ and LI.
Great show but ... all fakery. Easy to show in a court of justice, if the Arabs at Gitmo are brought there. What are we waiting for? Shouldn't the Arabs be given a fair trial?
That's not what I asked you. Reread the question and try again.

Mike

OK -

Question: If we make the assumption the videos/photos were faked, and since you had to do the research to determine which of these scenarios was the most likely, why did you conclude there were no planes vice covering up the type of planes?

Answer: The planes were just CGI to open the magic show. No real planes existed slicing into any towers. And then there is the Björkman axiom. You can slice the top C of a structure as you like but the top C cannot crush the intact bottom part A by gravity.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on August 21, 2017, 12:00:18 PM

Hm, don't tell me. Tell the poor, tortured, Gitmo Arabs still awaiting trial. They are the reasons why no eyewitnesses come forward. Anyone seeing anything that GWB didn't see is a terrorist.
Since that’s the same non-answer you gave me before, and you’ve avoided answering repeated times, it becomes obvious you didn’t research is enough to even answer such a fundamental question.  A question you should be able to answer since it’s the basis of your no plane theory.

Now for an even more fundamental question.  Faking the videos mean one of a few things.

1. They were faked to hide the fact that there were no planes.
2. They were faked to hide the actual identity of the planes.
3. They were faked to hide the fact that the planes were not 767s.

If we make the assumption the videos/photos were faked, and since you had to do the research to determine which of these scenarios was the most likely, why did you conclude there were no planes vice covering up the type of planes?

Mike

All footage of WTC911 is false! First the planes slicing into the buildings. Second the buildings on fire up top. Third the confusion down at streel level with fake reporters running around talking to fake eye witnesses, while, amazingly, the towers collapse in the backgrounds in fountains of smoke and dust. Fourth - fake people running away on the ground. Fifth - fake people taking pictures from NJ and LI.
Great show but ... all fakery. Easy to show in a court of justice, if the Arabs at Gitmo are brought there. What are we waiting for? Shouldn't the Arabs be given a fair trial?
That's not what I asked you. Reread the question and try again.

Mike

OK -

Question: If we make the assumption the videos/photos were faked, and since you had to do the research to determine which of these scenarios was the most likely, why did you conclude there were no planes vice covering up the type of planes?

Answer: The planes were just CGI to open the magic show. No real planes existed slicing into any towers. And then there is the Björkman axiom. You can slice the top C of a structure as you like but the top C cannot crush the intact bottom part A by gravity.
I knew you would just repeat the same thing and not actually give an answer.  Everyone here can tell that’s doesn’t answer the question.  Just to prove it to you, let's ask.

Did Heiwa answer the question I asked him?

I didn’t ask about C, the axiom, A, gravity.  You did NOT answer the question.  Is the question too difficult for you to understand?  Just let me know if you need me to dumb it down for you.

How about you actually answer the question?  If the planes were CGI, how did you conclude that meant there were no planes when it could have meant they were covering up the type of planes used for impact? 

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Badxtoss on August 21, 2017, 01:47:17 PM
Of course not.  He can't.  His brain simply cannot see the possibility of him being wrong about anything.  Like the T Rex in the movie that can only see motion.  If it remotely disagrees with him then he can't see it.
I doubt he actually understands the question to be honest.  That alone would make him perceive the possibility that he could be wrong.  I think that's why he keeps repeating the same thing, it's the closest thing he can give to an answer.
Or he's the worlds greatest troll.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on August 21, 2017, 02:35:50 PM
He has not answered the question. I'm pretty sure he's too thick headed to be a troll.

If he is a troll he is the most elaborate troll on the internets with his website and all. He's way overdone it, kind of like the guy who wants to impress his girl so bad he orders a truckload of flowers and rents a big fancy venue, limo etc. etc. and ends up coming off as more desperate than anything.

But again, I think it's thick headedness, not a desperate and overdone attempt at trolling.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 21, 2017, 08:00:57 PM

I knew you would just repeat the same thing and not actually give an answer.  Everyone here can tell that’s doesn’t answer the question.  Just to prove it to you, let's ask.

Did Heiwa answer the question I asked him?

I didn’t ask about C, the axiom, A, gravity.  You did NOT answer the question.  Is the question too difficult for you to understand?  Just let me know if you need me to dumb it down for you.

How about you actually answer the question?  If the planes were CGI, how did you conclude that meant there were no planes when it could have meant they were covering up the type of planes used for impact? 

Mike

So the question is: If the planes were CGI, how did I conclude that meant there were no planes when it could have meant they were covering up the type of planes used for impact? 

Strange question with an if, how, when, etc. Are you asking your wife such questions?

There is no doubt the planes recorded on available footage are CGI, which means that the rest of the footage is also CGI, e.g. fire balls, towers, people jumping from windows, blablabla. It was all a Hollywood movie shown on TV, when the whole WTC were wiped out.

So I simply concluded there were no real planes and fire balls to destroy any real towers.

I don't know how the towers were destroyed. Of course I have some ideas that I mention at my website, e.g. controlled demolitions using nano thermite. It must have been som clever innovative method. Nukes are not possible as they do not work at all.

The type of plane used in the footage is of no interest. With CGI you just copy/paste any plane anywhere in the footage you create.

 


Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Badxtoss on August 21, 2017, 09:13:47 PM
Told you.  He is literally too mentally disturbed to understand the question.  He is just a poor sick fuck with delusions of grandeur.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 21, 2017, 11:17:38 PM
Told you.  He is literally too mentally disturbed to understand the question.  He is just a poor sick fuck with delusions of grandeur.
Hm, I just answered the question. But I agree? There are plenty sick twerps at this forum.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on August 21, 2017, 11:30:26 PM
Told you.  He is literally too mentally disturbed to understand the question.  He is just a poor sick fuck with delusions of grandeur.
But I agree? There are plenty sick twerps at this forum.

I don't know, do you?  ??? 

I haven't really seen plenty of sick twerps but I have seen one that's extraordinarily stupid, suffers from Dunning Kruger's, and tries all sorts of ridiculous antics to get out of facing facts.

I'll give you one million euros if you can figure out who that stupid twerp is!

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 22, 2017, 12:17:34 AM
Told you.  He is literally too mentally disturbed to understand the question.  He is just a poor sick fuck with delusions of grandeur.
But I agree? There are plenty sick twerps at this forum.

I don't know, do you?  ??? 

I haven't really seen plenty of sick twerps but I have seen one that's extraordinarily stupid, suffers from Dunning Kruger's, and tries all sorts of ridiculous antics to get out of facing facts.

I'll give you one million euros if you can figure out who that stupid twerp is!

Enjoy:






Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on August 22, 2017, 05:38:01 PM

I knew you would just repeat the same thing and not actually give an answer.  Everyone here can tell that’s doesn’t answer the question.  Just to prove it to you, let's ask.

Did Heiwa answer the question I asked him?

I didn’t ask about C, the axiom, A, gravity.  You did NOT answer the question.  Is the question too difficult for you to understand?  Just let me know if you need me to dumb it down for you.

How about you actually answer the question?  If the planes were CGI, how did you conclude that meant there were no planes when it could have meant they were covering up the type of planes used for impact? 

Mike

So the question is: If the planes were CGI, how did I conclude that meant there were no planes when it could have meant they were covering up the type of planes used for impact? 

Strange question with an if, how, when, etc. Are you asking your wife such questions?

There is no doubt the planes recorded on available footage are CGI, which means that the rest of the footage is also CGI, e.g. fire balls, towers, people jumping from windows, blablabla. It was all a Hollywood movie shown on TV, when the whole WTC were wiped out.

So I simply concluded there were no real planes and fire balls to destroy any real towers.

I don't know how the towers were destroyed. Of course I have some ideas that I mention at my website, e.g. controlled demolitions using nano thermite. It must have been som clever innovative method. Nukes are not possible as they do not work at all.

The type of plane used in the footage is of no interest. With CGI you just copy/paste any plane anywhere in the footage you create.
Finally the truth.  You concluded there were no real planes without any investigation to verify your hypothesis.  You spent all that time testing and retesting you analysis model, creating cardboard demonstrations models, and researching and writing you webpage.  Yet, with all of that, you never once did any research into the planes and the deaths. 

The planes would have been critical to your analysis.  It would have been necessary to determine the amount of damage to the interior in order to determine if the official account even made sense.  Obviously something you didn't do.  The very definition of shoddy research

All because you just decided there were no planes.  A conclusion without any basis...other that you wanted it to be that way, shoddy research

Mike

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 22, 2017, 10:31:15 PM

I knew you would just repeat the same thing and not actually give an answer.  Everyone here can tell that’s doesn’t answer the question.  Just to prove it to you, let's ask.

Did Heiwa answer the question I asked him?

I didn’t ask about C, the axiom, A, gravity.  You did NOT answer the question.  Is the question too difficult for you to understand?  Just let me know if you need me to dumb it down for you.

How about you actually answer the question?  If the planes were CGI, how did you conclude that meant there were no planes when it could have meant they were covering up the type of planes used for impact? 

Mike

So the question is: If the planes were CGI, how did I conclude that meant there were no planes when it could have meant they were covering up the type of planes used for impact? 

Strange question with an if, how, when, etc. Are you asking your wife such questions?

There is no doubt the planes recorded on available footage are CGI, which means that the rest of the footage is also CGI, e.g. fire balls, towers, people jumping from windows, blablabla. It was all a Hollywood movie shown on TV, when the whole WTC were wiped out.

So I simply concluded there were no real planes and fire balls to destroy any real towers.

I don't know how the towers were destroyed. Of course I have some ideas that I mention at my website, e.g. controlled demolitions using nano thermite. It must have been som clever innovative method. Nukes are not possible as they do not work at all.

The type of plane used in the footage is of no interest. With CGI you just copy/paste any plane anywhere in the footage you create.
Finally the truth.  You concluded there were no real planes without any investigation to verify your hypothesis.  You spent all that time testing and retesting you analysis model, creating cardboard demonstrations models, and researching and writing you webpage.  Yet, with all of that, you never once did any research into the planes and the deaths. 

The planes would have been critical to your analysis.  It would have been necessary to determine the amount of damage to the interior in order to determine if the official account even made sense.  Obviously something you didn't do.  The very definition of shoddy research

All because you just decided there were no planes.  A conclusion without any basis...other that you wanted it to be that way, shoddy research

Mike

My research is excellent! 911 I was told that Arabs had hijacked planes and landed two of them in skyscrapers that later collapsed. I had the opportunity to watch plenty footage of the events and noticed that it was all trick films.
My speciality is structural dynamic damage analysis and in my mind I designed a model of the tower and let a plane slice into it. The first result was that the tower sliced the plane into small pieces that dropped on the ground.
So I changed the model a little and allowed the plane to fly through an open window, stop and explode in a fireball. No collapse!
Then I started to remove structural members in the landing zone. And after a while the top part C came dropping down by gravity on the intact bottom part A and ... C bounced on A.

There was no way that top C could crush bottom A by gravity.

This was excellent research. I describe it at my website!

No planes could cause the collapse of a skyscraper from top by gravity. No planes.

Of course there are planes that fly around, I see them all the time, but no planes could cause the collapse of a skyscraper from top by gravity.

Do you understand?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on August 22, 2017, 10:45:45 PM

I knew you would just repeat the same thing and not actually give an answer.  Everyone here can tell that’s doesn’t answer the question.  Just to prove it to you, let's ask.

Did Heiwa answer the question I asked him?

I didn’t ask about C, the axiom, A, gravity.  You did NOT answer the question.  Is the question too difficult for you to understand?  Just let me know if you need me to dumb it down for you.

How about you actually answer the question?  If the planes were CGI, how did you conclude that meant there were no planes when it could have meant they were covering up the type of planes used for impact? 

Mike

So the question is: If the planes were CGI, how did I conclude that meant there were no planes when it could have meant they were covering up the type of planes used for impact? 

Strange question with an if, how, when, etc. Are you asking your wife such questions?

There is no doubt the planes recorded on available footage are CGI, which means that the rest of the footage is also CGI, e.g. fire balls, towers, people jumping from windows, blablabla. It was all a Hollywood movie shown on TV, when the whole WTC were wiped out.

So I simply concluded there were no real planes and fire balls to destroy any real towers.

I don't know how the towers were destroyed. Of course I have some ideas that I mention at my website, e.g. controlled demolitions using nano thermite. It must have been som clever innovative method. Nukes are not possible as they do not work at all.

The type of plane used in the footage is of no interest. With CGI you just copy/paste any plane anywhere in the footage you create.
Finally the truth.  You concluded there were no real planes without any investigation to verify your hypothesis.  You spent all that time testing and retesting you analysis model, creating cardboard demonstrations models, and researching and writing you webpage.  Yet, with all of that, you never once did any research into the planes and the deaths. 

The planes would have been critical to your analysis.  It would have been necessary to determine the amount of damage to the interior in order to determine if the official account even made sense.  Obviously something you didn't do.  The very definition of shoddy research

All because you just decided there were no planes.  A conclusion without any basis...other that you wanted it to be that way, shoddy research

Mike

My research is excellent! 911 I was told that Arabs had hijacked planes and landed two of them in skyscrapers that later collapsed. I had the opportunity to watch plenty footage of the events and noticed that it was all trick films.
My speciality is structural dynamic damage analysis and in my mind I designed a model of the tower and let a plane slice into it. The first result was that the tower sliced the plane into small pieces that dropped on the ground.
So I changed the model a little and allowed the plane to fly through an open window, stop and explode in a fireball. No collapse!
Then I started to remove structural members in the landing zone. And after a while the top part C came dropping down by gravity on the intact bottom part A and ... C bounced on A.

There was no way that top C could crush bottom A by gravity.

This was excellent research. I describe it at my website!

No planes could cause the collapse of a skyscraper from top by gravity. No planes.

Of course there are planes that fly around, I see them all the time, but no planes could cause the collapse of a skyscraper from top by gravity.

Do you understand?

That's not an argument based on research, excellent or otherwise. It's an argument based on incredulity.

Furthermore, whether or not planes flying into the towers could cause the collapse is not really relevant in determining whether or not planes did fly into the towers.

(Sorry, I probably got a little too complicated there for you. I just don't know how to dumb it down any more than that.)
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on August 23, 2017, 01:21:56 AM

I knew you would just repeat the same thing and not actually give an answer.  Everyone here can tell that’s doesn’t answer the question.  Just to prove it to you, let's ask.

Did Heiwa answer the question I asked him?

I didn’t ask about C, the axiom, A, gravity.  You did NOT answer the question.  Is the question too difficult for you to understand?  Just let me know if you need me to dumb it down for you.

How about you actually answer the question?  If the planes were CGI, how did you conclude that meant there were no planes when it could have meant they were covering up the type of planes used for impact? 

Mike

So the question is: If the planes were CGI, how did I conclude that meant there were no planes when it could have meant they were covering up the type of planes used for impact? 

Strange question with an if, how, when, etc. Are you asking your wife such questions?

There is no doubt the planes recorded on available footage are CGI, which means that the rest of the footage is also CGI, e.g. fire balls, towers, people jumping from windows, blablabla. It was all a Hollywood movie shown on TV, when the whole WTC were wiped out.

So I simply concluded there were no real planes and fire balls to destroy any real towers.

I don't know how the towers were destroyed. Of course I have some ideas that I mention at my website, e.g. controlled demolitions using nano thermite. It must have been som clever innovative method. Nukes are not possible as they do not work at all.

The type of plane used in the footage is of no interest. With CGI you just copy/paste any plane anywhere in the footage you create.
Finally the truth.  You concluded there were no real planes without any investigation to verify your hypothesis.  You spent all that time testing and retesting you analysis model, creating cardboard demonstrations models, and researching and writing you webpage.  Yet, with all of that, you never once did any research into the planes and the deaths. 

The planes would have been critical to your analysis.  It would have been necessary to determine the amount of damage to the interior in order to determine if the official account even made sense.  Obviously something you didn't do.  The very definition of shoddy research

All because you just decided there were no planes.  A conclusion without any basis...other that you wanted it to be that way, shoddy research

Mike

My research is excellent! 911 I was told that Arabs had hijacked planes and landed two of them in skyscrapers that later collapsed. I had the opportunity to watch plenty footage of the events and noticed that it was all trick films.
My speciality is structural dynamic damage analysis and in my mind I designed a model of the tower and let a plane slice into it. The first result was that the tower sliced the plane into small pieces that dropped on the ground.
So I changed the model a little and allowed the plane to fly through an open window, stop and explode in a fireball. No collapse!
Then I started to remove structural members in the landing zone. And after a while the top part C came dropping down by gravity on the intact bottom part A and ... C bounced on A.

There was no way that top C could crush bottom A by gravity.

This was excellent research. I describe it at my website!

No planes could cause the collapse of a skyscraper from top by gravity. No planes.

Of course there are planes that fly around, I see them all the time, but no planes could cause the collapse of a skyscraper from top by gravity.

Do you understand?
No!  Your research is shit.  Just because you say the videos/photos were "faked" is NOT proof that there were no planes.  Just because you don't think planes alone could bring down the towers has nothing what so ever to do with whether or not there were planes.  It's in illogical assumption that just so happens to make your 2D analysis easier.  Coincidence or laziness? 

Fact: You have no evidence why the images were "faked"
Fact: You have no evidence there were no planes

You made up the part about the planes without any evidence that's why the images were "faked".  That not only shoddy research it's dishonest and disrespectful to those that died on those planes.

And, since you made that shit up your analysis is a big steaming Pile-O-Poo.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 23, 2017, 05:18:51 AM

I knew you would just repeat the same thing and not actually give an answer.  Everyone here can tell that’s doesn’t answer the question.  Just to prove it to you, let's ask.

Did Heiwa answer the question I asked him?

I didn’t ask about C, the axiom, A, gravity.  You did NOT answer the question.  Is the question too difficult for you to understand?  Just let me know if you need me to dumb it down for you.

How about you actually answer the question?  If the planes were CGI, how did you conclude that meant there were no planes when it could have meant they were covering up the type of planes used for impact? 

Mike

So the question is: If the planes were CGI, how did I conclude that meant there were no planes when it could have meant they were covering up the type of planes used for impact? 

Strange question with an if, how, when, etc. Are you asking your wife such questions?

There is no doubt the planes recorded on available footage are CGI, which means that the rest of the footage is also CGI, e.g. fire balls, towers, people jumping from windows, blablabla. It was all a Hollywood movie shown on TV, when the whole WTC were wiped out.

So I simply concluded there were no real planes and fire balls to destroy any real towers.

I don't know how the towers were destroyed. Of course I have some ideas that I mention at my website, e.g. controlled demolitions using nano thermite. It must have been som clever innovative method. Nukes are not possible as they do not work at all.

The type of plane used in the footage is of no interest. With CGI you just copy/paste any plane anywhere in the footage you create.
Finally the truth.  You concluded there were no real planes without any investigation to verify your hypothesis.  You spent all that time testing and retesting you analysis model, creating cardboard demonstrations models, and researching and writing you webpage.  Yet, with all of that, you never once did any research into the planes and the deaths. 

The planes would have been critical to your analysis.  It would have been necessary to determine the amount of damage to the interior in order to determine if the official account even made sense.  Obviously something you didn't do.  The very definition of shoddy research

All because you just decided there were no planes.  A conclusion without any basis...other that you wanted it to be that way, shoddy research

Mike

My research is excellent! 911 I was told that Arabs had hijacked planes and landed two of them in skyscrapers that later collapsed. I had the opportunity to watch plenty footage of the events and noticed that it was all trick films.
My speciality is structural dynamic damage analysis and in my mind I designed a model of the tower and let a plane slice into it. The first result was that the tower sliced the plane into small pieces that dropped on the ground.
So I changed the model a little and allowed the plane to fly through an open window, stop and explode in a fireball. No collapse!
Then I started to remove structural members in the landing zone. And after a while the top part C came dropping down by gravity on the intact bottom part A and ... C bounced on A.

There was no way that top C could crush bottom A by gravity.

This was excellent research. I describe it at my website!

No planes could cause the collapse of a skyscraper from top by gravity. No planes.

Of course there are planes that fly around, I see them all the time, but no planes could cause the collapse of a skyscraper from top by gravity.

Do you understand?

That's not an argument based on research, excellent or otherwise. It's an argument based on incredulity.

Furthermore, whether or not planes flying into the towers could cause the collapse is not really relevant in determining whether or not planes did fly into the towers.

(Sorry, I probably got a little too complicated there for you. I just don't know how to dumb it down any more than that.)

No my research is excellent. No doubt about it. Noone has found any fault with it.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 23, 2017, 05:20:08 AM

I knew you would just repeat the same thing and not actually give an answer.  Everyone here can tell that’s doesn’t answer the question.  Just to prove it to you, let's ask.

Did Heiwa answer the question I asked him?

I didn’t ask about C, the axiom, A, gravity.  You did NOT answer the question.  Is the question too difficult for you to understand?  Just let me know if you need me to dumb it down for you.

How about you actually answer the question?  If the planes were CGI, how did you conclude that meant there were no planes when it could have meant they were covering up the type of planes used for impact? 

Mike

So the question is: If the planes were CGI, how did I conclude that meant there were no planes when it could have meant they were covering up the type of planes used for impact? 

Strange question with an if, how, when, etc. Are you asking your wife such questions?

There is no doubt the planes recorded on available footage are CGI, which means that the rest of the footage is also CGI, e.g. fire balls, towers, people jumping from windows, blablabla. It was all a Hollywood movie shown on TV, when the whole WTC were wiped out.

So I simply concluded there were no real planes and fire balls to destroy any real towers.

I don't know how the towers were destroyed. Of course I have some ideas that I mention at my website, e.g. controlled demolitions using nano thermite. It must have been som clever innovative method. Nukes are not possible as they do not work at all.

The type of plane used in the footage is of no interest. With CGI you just copy/paste any plane anywhere in the footage you create.
Finally the truth.  You concluded there were no real planes without any investigation to verify your hypothesis.  You spent all that time testing and retesting you analysis model, creating cardboard demonstrations models, and researching and writing you webpage.  Yet, with all of that, you never once did any research into the planes and the deaths. 

The planes would have been critical to your analysis.  It would have been necessary to determine the amount of damage to the interior in order to determine if the official account even made sense.  Obviously something you didn't do.  The very definition of shoddy research

All because you just decided there were no planes.  A conclusion without any basis...other that you wanted it to be that way, shoddy research

Mike

My research is excellent! 911 I was told that Arabs had hijacked planes and landed two of them in skyscrapers that later collapsed. I had the opportunity to watch plenty footage of the events and noticed that it was all trick films.
My speciality is structural dynamic damage analysis and in my mind I designed a model of the tower and let a plane slice into it. The first result was that the tower sliced the plane into small pieces that dropped on the ground.
So I changed the model a little and allowed the plane to fly through an open window, stop and explode in a fireball. No collapse!
Then I started to remove structural members in the landing zone. And after a while the top part C came dropping down by gravity on the intact bottom part A and ... C bounced on A.

There was no way that top C could crush bottom A by gravity.

This was excellent research. I describe it at my website!

No planes could cause the collapse of a skyscraper from top by gravity. No planes.

Of course there are planes that fly around, I see them all the time, but no planes could cause the collapse of a skyscraper from top by gravity.

Do you understand?
No!  Your research is shit.  Just because you say the videos/photos were "faked" is NOT proof that there were no planes.  Just because you don't think planes alone could bring down the towers has nothing what so ever to do with whether or not there were planes.  It's in illogical assumption that just so happens to make your 2D analysis easier.  Coincidence or laziness? 

Fact: You have no evidence why the images were "faked"
Fact: You have no evidence there were no planes

You made up the part about the planes without any evidence that's why the images were "faked".  That not only shoddy research it's dishonest and disrespectful to those that died on those planes.

And, since you made that shit up your analysis is a big steaming Pile-O-Poo.

Mike

No my research is excellent. No doubt about it. Noone has found any fault with it.

Please explain what is wrong with my findings.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on August 23, 2017, 06:02:13 AM

I knew you would just repeat the same thing and not actually give an answer.  Everyone here can tell that’s doesn’t answer the question.  Just to prove it to you, let's ask.

Did Heiwa answer the question I asked him?

I didn’t ask about C, the axiom, A, gravity.  You did NOT answer the question.  Is the question too difficult for you to understand?  Just let me know if you need me to dumb it down for you.

How about you actually answer the question?  If the planes were CGI, how did you conclude that meant there were no planes when it could have meant they were covering up the type of planes used for impact? 

Mike

So the question is: If the planes were CGI, how did I conclude that meant there were no planes when it could have meant they were covering up the type of planes used for impact? 

Strange question with an if, how, when, etc. Are you asking your wife such questions?

There is no doubt the planes recorded on available footage are CGI, which means that the rest of the footage is also CGI, e.g. fire balls, towers, people jumping from windows, blablabla. It was all a Hollywood movie shown on TV, when the whole WTC were wiped out.

So I simply concluded there were no real planes and fire balls to destroy any real towers.

I don't know how the towers were destroyed. Of course I have some ideas that I mention at my website, e.g. controlled demolitions using nano thermite. It must have been som clever innovative method. Nukes are not possible as they do not work at all.

The type of plane used in the footage is of no interest. With CGI you just copy/paste any plane anywhere in the footage you create.
Finally the truth.  You concluded there were no real planes without any investigation to verify your hypothesis.  You spent all that time testing and retesting you analysis model, creating cardboard demonstrations models, and researching and writing you webpage.  Yet, with all of that, you never once did any research into the planes and the deaths. 

The planes would have been critical to your analysis.  It would have been necessary to determine the amount of damage to the interior in order to determine if the official account even made sense.  Obviously something you didn't do.  The very definition of shoddy research

All because you just decided there were no planes.  A conclusion without any basis...other that you wanted it to be that way, shoddy research

Mike

My research is excellent! 911 I was told that Arabs had hijacked planes and landed two of them in skyscrapers that later collapsed. I had the opportunity to watch plenty footage of the events and noticed that it was all trick films.
My speciality is structural dynamic damage analysis and in my mind I designed a model of the tower and let a plane slice into it. The first result was that the tower sliced the plane into small pieces that dropped on the ground.
So I changed the model a little and allowed the plane to fly through an open window, stop and explode in a fireball. No collapse!
Then I started to remove structural members in the landing zone. And after a while the top part C came dropping down by gravity on the intact bottom part A and ... C bounced on A.

There was no way that top C could crush bottom A by gravity.

This was excellent research. I describe it at my website!

No planes could cause the collapse of a skyscraper from top by gravity. No planes.

Of course there are planes that fly around, I see them all the time, but no planes could cause the collapse of a skyscraper from top by gravity.

Do you understand?

That's not an argument based on research, excellent or otherwise. It's an argument based on incredulity.

Furthermore, whether or not planes flying into the towers could cause the collapse is not really relevant in determining whether or not planes did fly into the towers.

(Sorry, I probably got a little too complicated there for you. I just don't know how to dumb it down any more than that.)

No my research is excellent. No doubt about it. Noone has found any fault with it.

It's really not. No doubt about that. No-one has ever looked at your research and thought "good research." Ever.

Also, whether or not planes flying into the towers could cause the collapse is not really relevant in determining whether or not planes did fly into the towers.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 23, 2017, 06:13:03 AM

I knew you would just repeat the same thing and not actually give an answer.  Everyone here can tell that’s doesn’t answer the question.  Just to prove it to you, let's ask.

Did Heiwa answer the question I asked him?

I didn’t ask about C, the axiom, A, gravity.  You did NOT answer the question.  Is the question too difficult for you to understand?  Just let me know if you need me to dumb it down for you.

How about you actually answer the question?  If the planes were CGI, how did you conclude that meant there were no planes when it could have meant they were covering up the type of planes used for impact? 

Mike

So the question is: If the planes were CGI, how did I conclude that meant there were no planes when it could have meant they were covering up the type of planes used for impact? 

Strange question with an if, how, when, etc. Are you asking your wife such questions?

There is no doubt the planes recorded on available footage are CGI, which means that the rest of the footage is also CGI, e.g. fire balls, towers, people jumping from windows, blablabla. It was all a Hollywood movie shown on TV, when the whole WTC were wiped out.

So I simply concluded there were no real planes and fire balls to destroy any real towers.

I don't know how the towers were destroyed. Of course I have some ideas that I mention at my website, e.g. controlled demolitions using nano thermite. It must have been som clever innovative method. Nukes are not possible as they do not work at all.

The type of plane used in the footage is of no interest. With CGI you just copy/paste any plane anywhere in the footage you create.
Finally the truth.  You concluded there were no real planes without any investigation to verify your hypothesis.  You spent all that time testing and retesting you analysis model, creating cardboard demonstrations models, and researching and writing you webpage.  Yet, with all of that, you never once did any research into the planes and the deaths. 

The planes would have been critical to your analysis.  It would have been necessary to determine the amount of damage to the interior in order to determine if the official account even made sense.  Obviously something you didn't do.  The very definition of shoddy research

All because you just decided there were no planes.  A conclusion without any basis...other that you wanted it to be that way, shoddy research

Mike

My research is excellent! 911 I was told that Arabs had hijacked planes and landed two of them in skyscrapers that later collapsed. I had the opportunity to watch plenty footage of the events and noticed that it was all trick films.
My speciality is structural dynamic damage analysis and in my mind I designed a model of the tower and let a plane slice into it. The first result was that the tower sliced the plane into small pieces that dropped on the ground.
So I changed the model a little and allowed the plane to fly through an open window, stop and explode in a fireball. No collapse!
Then I started to remove structural members in the landing zone. And after a while the top part C came dropping down by gravity on the intact bottom part A and ... C bounced on A.

There was no way that top C could crush bottom A by gravity.

This was excellent research. I describe it at my website!

No planes could cause the collapse of a skyscraper from top by gravity. No planes.

Of course there are planes that fly around, I see them all the time, but no planes could cause the collapse of a skyscraper from top by gravity.

Do you understand?

That's not an argument based on research, excellent or otherwise. It's an argument based on incredulity.

Furthermore, whether or not planes flying into the towers could cause the collapse is not really relevant in determining whether or not planes did fly into the towers.

(Sorry, I probably got a little too complicated there for you. I just don't know how to dumb it down any more than that.)

No my research is excellent. No doubt about it. Noone has found any fault with it.

It's really not. No doubt about that. No-one has ever looked at your research and thought "good research." Ever.

Also, whether or not planes flying into the towers could cause the collapse is not really relevant in determining whether or not planes did fly into the towers.
Thanks, so we agree no planes caused the towers to collapse.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on August 23, 2017, 06:35:32 AM

I knew you would just repeat the same thing and not actually give an answer.  Everyone here can tell that’s doesn’t answer the question.  Just to prove it to you, let's ask.

Did Heiwa answer the question I asked him?

I didn’t ask about C, the axiom, A, gravity.  You did NOT answer the question.  Is the question too difficult for you to understand?  Just let me know if you need me to dumb it down for you.

How about you actually answer the question?  If the planes were CGI, how did you conclude that meant there were no planes when it could have meant they were covering up the type of planes used for impact? 

Mike

So the question is: If the planes were CGI, how did I conclude that meant there were no planes when it could have meant they were covering up the type of planes used for impact? 

Strange question with an if, how, when, etc. Are you asking your wife such questions?

There is no doubt the planes recorded on available footage are CGI, which means that the rest of the footage is also CGI, e.g. fire balls, towers, people jumping from windows, blablabla. It was all a Hollywood movie shown on TV, when the whole WTC were wiped out.

So I simply concluded there were no real planes and fire balls to destroy any real towers.

I don't know how the towers were destroyed. Of course I have some ideas that I mention at my website, e.g. controlled demolitions using nano thermite. It must have been som clever innovative method. Nukes are not possible as they do not work at all.

The type of plane used in the footage is of no interest. With CGI you just copy/paste any plane anywhere in the footage you create.
Finally the truth.  You concluded there were no real planes without any investigation to verify your hypothesis.  You spent all that time testing and retesting you analysis model, creating cardboard demonstrations models, and researching and writing you webpage.  Yet, with all of that, you never once did any research into the planes and the deaths. 

The planes would have been critical to your analysis.  It would have been necessary to determine the amount of damage to the interior in order to determine if the official account even made sense.  Obviously something you didn't do.  The very definition of shoddy research

All because you just decided there were no planes.  A conclusion without any basis...other that you wanted it to be that way, shoddy research

Mike

My research is excellent! 911 I was told that Arabs had hijacked planes and landed two of them in skyscrapers that later collapsed. I had the opportunity to watch plenty footage of the events and noticed that it was all trick films.
My speciality is structural dynamic damage analysis and in my mind I designed a model of the tower and let a plane slice into it. The first result was that the tower sliced the plane into small pieces that dropped on the ground.
So I changed the model a little and allowed the plane to fly through an open window, stop and explode in a fireball. No collapse!
Then I started to remove structural members in the landing zone. And after a while the top part C came dropping down by gravity on the intact bottom part A and ... C bounced on A.

There was no way that top C could crush bottom A by gravity.

This was excellent research. I describe it at my website!

No planes could cause the collapse of a skyscraper from top by gravity. No planes.

Of course there are planes that fly around, I see them all the time, but no planes could cause the collapse of a skyscraper from top by gravity.

Do you understand?
No!  Your research is shit.  Just because you say the videos/photos were "faked" is NOT proof that there were no planes.  Just because you don't think planes alone could bring down the towers has nothing what so ever to do with whether or not there were planes.  It's in illogical assumption that just so happens to make your 2D analysis easier.  Coincidence or laziness? 

Fact: You have no evidence why the images were "faked"
Fact: You have no evidence there were no planes

You made up the part about the planes without any evidence that's why the images were "faked".  That not only shoddy research it's dishonest and disrespectful to those that died on those planes.

And, since you made that shit up your analysis is a big steaming Pile-O-Poo.

Mike

No my research is excellent. No doubt about it. Noone has found any fault with it.

Please explain what is wrong with my findings.
I found fault with it and I explained it in my post but you ignored it because you can't justify it.

Your research is shit.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 23, 2017, 07:11:56 AM

 in my mind I designed a model of the tower . . . This was excellent research.

Do you understand?



 :P
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on August 23, 2017, 08:54:52 AM

I knew you would just repeat the same thing and not actually give an answer.  Everyone here can tell that’s doesn’t answer the question.  Just to prove it to you, let's ask.

Did Heiwa answer the question I asked him?

I didn’t ask about C, the axiom, A, gravity.  You did NOT answer the question.  Is the question too difficult for you to understand?  Just let me know if you need me to dumb it down for you.

How about you actually answer the question?  If the planes were CGI, how did you conclude that meant there were no planes when it could have meant they were covering up the type of planes used for impact? 

Mike

So the question is: If the planes were CGI, how did I conclude that meant there were no planes when it could have meant they were covering up the type of planes used for impact? 

Strange question with an if, how, when, etc. Are you asking your wife such questions?

There is no doubt the planes recorded on available footage are CGI, which means that the rest of the footage is also CGI, e.g. fire balls, towers, people jumping from windows, blablabla. It was all a Hollywood movie shown on TV, when the whole WTC were wiped out.

So I simply concluded there were no real planes and fire balls to destroy any real towers.

I don't know how the towers were destroyed. Of course I have some ideas that I mention at my website, e.g. controlled demolitions using nano thermite. It must have been som clever innovative method. Nukes are not possible as they do not work at all.

The type of plane used in the footage is of no interest. With CGI you just copy/paste any plane anywhere in the footage you create.
Finally the truth.  You concluded there were no real planes without any investigation to verify your hypothesis.  You spent all that time testing and retesting you analysis model, creating cardboard demonstrations models, and researching and writing you webpage.  Yet, with all of that, you never once did any research into the planes and the deaths. 

The planes would have been critical to your analysis.  It would have been necessary to determine the amount of damage to the interior in order to determine if the official account even made sense.  Obviously something you didn't do.  The very definition of shoddy research

All because you just decided there were no planes.  A conclusion without any basis...other that you wanted it to be that way, shoddy research

Mike

My research is excellent! 911 I was told that Arabs had hijacked planes and landed two of them in skyscrapers that later collapsed. I had the opportunity to watch plenty footage of the events and noticed that it was all trick films.
My speciality is structural dynamic damage analysis and in my mind I designed a model of the tower and let a plane slice into it. The first result was that the tower sliced the plane into small pieces that dropped on the ground.
So I changed the model a little and allowed the plane to fly through an open window, stop and explode in a fireball. No collapse!
Then I started to remove structural members in the landing zone. And after a while the top part C came dropping down by gravity on the intact bottom part A and ... C bounced on A.

There was no way that top C could crush bottom A by gravity.

This was excellent research. I describe it at my website!

No planes could cause the collapse of a skyscraper from top by gravity. No planes.

Of course there are planes that fly around, I see them all the time, but no planes could cause the collapse of a skyscraper from top by gravity.

Do you understand?

That's not an argument based on research, excellent or otherwise. It's an argument based on incredulity.

Furthermore, whether or not planes flying into the towers could cause the collapse is not really relevant in determining whether or not planes did fly into the towers.

(Sorry, I probably got a little too complicated there for you. I just don't know how to dumb it down any more than that.)

No my research is excellent. No doubt about it. Noone has found any fault with it.

It's really not. No doubt about that. No-one has ever looked at your research and thought "good research." Ever.

Also, whether or not planes flying into the towers could cause the collapse is not really relevant in determining whether or not planes did fly into the towers.
Thanks, so we agree no planes caused the towers to collapse.

That is not what I said at all! With that kind of comprehension it's no wonder you do such Shoddy Research!

Try again and read a little slower this time. I'll give you a million euros if you can come up with an intelligent response:

Whether or not planes flying into the towers could cause the collapse is not really relevant in determining whether or not planes did fly into the towers.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 23, 2017, 09:13:27 AM

I knew you would just repeat the same thing and not actually give an answer.  Everyone here can tell that’s doesn’t answer the question.  Just to prove it to you, let's ask.

Did Heiwa answer the question I asked him?

I didn’t ask about C, the axiom, A, gravity.  You did NOT answer the question.  Is the question too difficult for you to understand?  Just let me know if you need me to dumb it down for you.

How about you actually answer the question?  If the planes were CGI, how did you conclude that meant there were no planes when it could have meant they were covering up the type of planes used for impact? 

Mike

So the question is: If the planes were CGI, how did I conclude that meant there were no planes when it could have meant they were covering up the type of planes used for impact? 

Strange question with an if, how, when, etc. Are you asking your wife such questions?

There is no doubt the planes recorded on available footage are CGI, which means that the rest of the footage is also CGI, e.g. fire balls, towers, people jumping from windows, blablabla. It was all a Hollywood movie shown on TV, when the whole WTC were wiped out.

So I simply concluded there were no real planes and fire balls to destroy any real towers.

I don't know how the towers were destroyed. Of course I have some ideas that I mention at my website, e.g. controlled demolitions using nano thermite. It must have been som clever innovative method. Nukes are not possible as they do not work at all.

The type of plane used in the footage is of no interest. With CGI you just copy/paste any plane anywhere in the footage you create.
Finally the truth.  You concluded there were no real planes without any investigation to verify your hypothesis.  You spent all that time testing and retesting you analysis model, creating cardboard demonstrations models, and researching and writing you webpage.  Yet, with all of that, you never once did any research into the planes and the deaths. 

The planes would have been critical to your analysis.  It would have been necessary to determine the amount of damage to the interior in order to determine if the official account even made sense.  Obviously something you didn't do.  The very definition of shoddy research

All because you just decided there were no planes.  A conclusion without any basis...other that you wanted it to be that way, shoddy research

Mike

My research is excellent! 911 I was told that Arabs had hijacked planes and landed two of them in skyscrapers that later collapsed. I had the opportunity to watch plenty footage of the events and noticed that it was all trick films.
My speciality is structural dynamic damage analysis and in my mind I designed a model of the tower and let a plane slice into it. The first result was that the tower sliced the plane into small pieces that dropped on the ground.
So I changed the model a little and allowed the plane to fly through an open window, stop and explode in a fireball. No collapse!
Then I started to remove structural members in the landing zone. And after a while the top part C came dropping down by gravity on the intact bottom part A and ... C bounced on A.

There was no way that top C could crush bottom A by gravity.

This was excellent research. I describe it at my website!

No planes could cause the collapse of a skyscraper from top by gravity. No planes.

Of course there are planes that fly around, I see them all the time, but no planes could cause the collapse of a skyscraper from top by gravity.

Do you understand?

That's not an argument based on research, excellent or otherwise. It's an argument based on incredulity.

Furthermore, whether or not planes flying into the towers could cause the collapse is not really relevant in determining whether or not planes did fly into the towers.

(Sorry, I probably got a little too complicated there for you. I just don't know how to dumb it down any more than that.)

No my research is excellent. No doubt about it. Noone has found any fault with it.

It's really not. No doubt about that. No-one has ever looked at your research and thought "good research." Ever.

Also, whether or not planes flying into the towers could cause the collapse is not really relevant in determining whether or not planes did fly into the towers.
Thanks, so we agree no planes caused the towers to collapse.

That is not what I said at all! With that kind of comprehension it's no wonder you do such Shoddy Research!

Try again and read a little slower this time. I'll give you a million euros if you can come up with an intelligent response:

Whether or not planes flying into the towers could cause the collapse is not really relevant in determining whether or not planes did fly into the towers.

No planes flow into the towers unless it was model planes through an open window.

Haven't you understood? Air planes cannot fly into towers and land! The wall of the tower will slice the plane into small pieces trying to go through. You do not sound very bright.

You sound like a terrorist.

Only twerps think planes can land in tops of towers.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Pezevenk on August 23, 2017, 09:26:45 AM
Who said anything about landing?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 23, 2017, 09:43:20 AM
Who said anything about landing?

Me! The fake plane penetrated the wall of the skyscraper, then stopped/landed inside and before the passengers could disembark the plane exploded.

What else were the planes doing? Sightseeing?

Helicopters frequently land on skyscrapers. Airplanes are different but ...
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 23, 2017, 09:46:13 AM
Heiwa, if an airplane comes to a complete stop anywhere but an airport, it's called a crash.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 23, 2017, 09:56:14 AM
Heiwa, if an airplane comes to a complete stop anywhere but an airport, it's called a crash.

Well, in this case the evil terrorists tried to quick land inside a skyscraper after having penetrated the external wall without problems, they then stopped inside, because they didn't exit, etc, etc. Only twerps believe it happened. But it was just a show.
But it was no crash. The planes disappeared intact into the skyscrapers and were not seen again. Magic! No parts of the planes were found. Nothing.
What are you trying to say? Do you support terrorism?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 23, 2017, 10:31:22 AM

What are you trying to say? Do you support terrorism?



I'm not going to play your stupid fucking game.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 23, 2017, 10:48:50 AM

What are you trying to say? Do you support terrorism?



I'm not going to play your stupid fucking game.

I know. You are a twerp.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on August 23, 2017, 12:10:33 PM

What are you trying to say? Do you support terrorism?



I'm not going to play your stupid fucking game.

I know. You are a twerp.

Heiwa to Bullwinkle who will not play his stupid game: It's because your a twerp!

Heiwa to those of us who do play his stupid game: You're all twerps!

Millions saw the plane crash into the side of the towers. Debris of the planes was found at the site. You have no evidence for your claims whatsoever. Your research amounts to, "I would not expect a plane to be able to crash into a building, therefore planes did not crash into the towers." That is not research by any standards!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 23, 2017, 12:32:09 PM

What are you trying to say? Do you support terrorism?



I'm not going to play your stupid fucking game.

I know. You are a twerp.

Heiwa to Bullwinkle who will not play his stupid game: It's because your a twerp!

Heiwa to those of us who do play his stupid game: You're all twerps!

Millions saw the plane crash into the side of the towers. Debris of the planes was found at the site. You have no evidence for your claims whatsoever. Your research amounts to, "I would not expect a plane to be able to crash into a building, therefore planes did not crash into the towers." That is not research by any standards!
He's never going to admit what's obvious to everyone else.  His research is shit.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on August 23, 2017, 12:38:52 PM

What are you trying to say? Do you support terrorism?



I'm not going to play your stupid fucking game.

I know. You are a twerp.

Heiwa to Bullwinkle who will not play his stupid game: It's because your a twerp!

Heiwa to those of us who do play his stupid game: You're all twerps!

Millions saw the plane crash into the side of the towers. Debris of the planes was found at the site. You have no evidence for your claims whatsoever. Your research amounts to, "I would not expect a plane to be able to crash into a building, therefore planes did not crash into the towers." That is not research by any standards!
He's never going to admit what's obvious to everyone else.  His research is shit.

Mike

Shit is his specialty.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 23, 2017, 01:03:48 PM

What are you trying to say? Do you support terrorism?



I'm not going to play your stupid fucking game.

I know. You are a twerp.

Heiwa to Bullwinkle who will not play his stupid game: It's because your a twerp!

Heiwa to those of us who do play his stupid game: You're all twerps!

Millions saw the plane crash into the side of the towers. Debris of the planes was found at the site. You have no evidence for your claims whatsoever. Your research amounts to, "I would not expect a plane to be able to crash into a building, therefore planes did not crash into the towers." That is not research by any standards!
He's never going to admit what's obvious to everyone else.  His research is shit.

Mike

Shit is his specialty.
One might say an obsession. ;D
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Pezevenk on August 23, 2017, 01:23:05 PM
Heiwa, if an airplane comes to a complete stop anywhere but an airport, it's called a crash.

Well, some guy who I don't remember his name once said that if you can walk out of it, it's a landing.

I don't think anyone walked out of this one though...
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 23, 2017, 08:49:15 PM
I am amazed at the number of twerp posts claiming that a light aluminium plane flying through a solid wall of steel columns is a crash.
We could all see live on TV how the plane just disappeared into the building behind the wall. No crash.
A crash would have been the steel columns slicing the plane into pieces that would drop down on the ground outside the wall.
Do a test your self. Throw a snow ball on a brick wall. What happens?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on August 24, 2017, 12:08:11 AM
I am amazed at the number of twerp posts claiming that a light aluminium plane flying through a solid wall of steel columns is a crash.
We could all see live on TV how the plane just disappeared into the building behind the wall. No crash.
A crash would have been the steel columns slicing the plane into pieces that would drop down on the ground outside the wall.
Do a test your self. Throw a snow ball on a brick wall. What happens?

Why would you throw a snow ball at a brick wall to see what a plane would do if flown into the side of a building? That is not even remotely the same. Snowballs are composed of vastly different materials than planes. They travel at vastly different speeds than the planes were travelling. They are vastly different in size than planes and a brick wall is probably not that similar to what the planes flew into either.

It's this kind of shoddy research which causes such a great number of twerps (pretty much everyone) to doubt your conclusions.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Pezevenk on August 24, 2017, 01:23:28 AM
I am amazed at the number of twerp posts claiming that a light aluminium plane flying through a solid wall of steel columns is a crash.
We could all see live on TV how the plane just disappeared into the building behind the wall. No crash.
A crash would have been the steel columns slicing the plane into pieces that would drop down on the ground outside the wall.
Do a test your self. Throw a snow ball on a brick wall. What happens?

So according to you, the plane went through the building and landed somewhere else?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 24, 2017, 02:11:40 AM
I am amazed at the number of twerp posts claiming that a light aluminium plane flying through a solid wall of steel columns is a crash.
We could all see live on TV how the plane just disappeared into the building behind the wall. No crash.
A crash would have been the steel columns slicing the plane into pieces that would drop down on the ground outside the wall.
Do a test your self. Throw a snow ball on a brick wall. What happens?
That is without a doubt one of the stupidest posts I've seen from you yet.

BTW, a snowball and a brick is a poor analogy.  When I was a kid we had a pellet gun that shot small lead pellets.  We could pump that gun up enough to shoot that little lead pellet through both sides of a steel #10 can without the can moving. 

A very soft lead pellet that punctured both sides of a steel can without even moving the can.  Aircraft grade annealed aluminium has Brinell hardness 4 times that of lead so again, you're wrong.  That is the proper analogy for this case.

You should know this stuff...are you really an engineer?  Sometimes I wonder.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 24, 2017, 03:07:52 AM
I am amazed at the number of twerp posts claiming that a light aluminium plane flying through a solid wall of steel columns is a crash.
We could all see live on TV how the plane just disappeared into the building behind the wall. No crash.
A crash would have been the steel columns slicing the plane into pieces that would drop down on the ground outside the wall.
Do a test your self. Throw a snow ball on a brick wall. What happens?

So according to you, the plane went through the building and landed somewhere else?

Only twerps thinks so. No, there were no planes. The North tower was simply set on fire up top from the inside ... like the South tower.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Sentinel on August 24, 2017, 03:11:16 AM
Absolutely remarkable.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 24, 2017, 03:18:09 AM
Absolutely remarkable.
I explain more at http://heiwaco.com/nist.htm .

No planes, no Arabs, etc, etc.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 24, 2017, 03:26:13 AM
Absolutely remarkable.
I explain more at http://heiwaco.com/nist.htm .

No planes, no Arabs, etc, etc.
Your wrong and you can't prove that statement.  You made it up to fit your analysis without researching whether or not there were planes.  Shoddy Research!

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 24, 2017, 04:30:41 AM
Absolutely remarkable.
I explain more at http://heiwaco.com/nist.htm .

No planes, no Arabs, etc, etc.
Your wrong and you can't prove that statement.  You made it up to fit your analysis without researching whether or not there were planes.  Shoddy Research!

Mike

How is your wife, you twerp?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on August 24, 2017, 04:33:18 AM
Absolutely remarkable.
I explain more at http://heiwaco.com/nist.htm .

No planes, no Arabs, etc, etc.
Your wrong and you can't prove that statement.  You made it up to fit your analysis without researching whether or not there were planes.  Shoddy Research!

Mike

How is your wife, you twerp?
Another personal attack because you can't defend your shoddy research.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 24, 2017, 04:33:57 AM
Absolutely remarkable.
I explain more at http://heiwaco.com/nist.htm .

No planes, no Arabs, etc, etc.
Your wrong and you can't prove that statement.  You made it up to fit your analysis without researching whether or not there were planes.  Shoddy Research!

Mike

How is your wife, you twerp?
Another personal attack because you can't defend your shoddy research.

Mike
I offer anyone €1M since many years to show that I am 100% wrong about a-bombs, space travel, an accident at sea, 911 and fusion on Earth. http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on August 24, 2017, 04:40:18 AM
Absolutely remarkable.
I explain more at http://heiwaco.com/nist.htm .

No planes, no Arabs, etc, etc.
Your wrong and you can't prove that statement.  You made it up to fit your analysis without researching whether or not there were planes.  Shoddy Research!

Mike

How is your wife, you twerp?
Another personal attack because you can't defend your shoddy research.

Mike
I offer anyone €1M since many years to show that I am 100% wrong about a-bombs, space travel, an accident at sea, 911 and fusion on Earth. http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm
Just stop already. Nobody believes you'll pay some €5M to cover all those challenges.

Nobody believes you so let it go already.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on August 24, 2017, 06:59:57 AM
Absolutely remarkable.
I explain more at

No planes, no Arabs, etc, etc.
Your wrong and you can't prove that statement.  You made it up to fit your analysis without researching whether or not there were planes.  Shoddy Research!

Mike

How is your wife, you twerp?
Another personal attack because you can't defend your shoddy research.

Mike
I offer anyone €1M since many years to show that I am 100% wrong about a-bombs, space travel, an accident at sea, 911 and fusion on Earth. http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm

And I offered you a €1M if you could make an intelligent response to this:

Whether or not planes flying into the towers could cause the collapse is not really relevant in determining whether or not planes did fly into the towers.

Your argument is still one from incredulity. You have offered no evidence whatsoever that there were no planes. The snowball/brick analogy is not applicable and even a dunce like you must know that!

Try putting an engine in a snowball and flying it around the country at 500Km/h and what do you think will happen? Therefore I conclude that planes do not really exist. It's impossible. They would fall apart.



Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 24, 2017, 10:54:26 PM

Whether or not planes flying into the towers could cause the collapse is not really relevant in determining whether or not planes did fly into the towers.


But GWB and Condoleezza named 19 Arabs that did it and the purpose was to destroy the towers and if you don't agree you are a terrorist.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on August 24, 2017, 11:36:04 PM

Whether or not planes flying into the towers could cause the collapse is not really relevant in determining whether or not planes did fly into the towers.


But GWB and Condoleezza named 19 Arabs that did it and the purpose was to destroy the towers and if you don't agree you are a terrorist.

Who GWB and Condoleezza named is not really relevant in determining whether or not planes did fly into the towers.

I would ask if you're really this stupid but, sadly, I already know the answer.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 25, 2017, 01:04:22 AM

Whether or not planes flying into the towers could cause the collapse is not really relevant in determining whether or not planes did fly into the towers.


But GWB and Condoleezza named 19 Arabs that did it and the purpose was to destroy the towers and if you don't agree you are a terrorist.

Who GWB and Condoleezza named is not really relevant in determining whether or not planes did fly into the towers.

I would ask if you're really this stupid but, sadly, I already know the answer.
Yes, I may be stupid answering twerp questions but the answer is that planes cannot fly through skyscraper walls. Anyone filming such an event and publishing it on the internet is part of the show. You know, magicians often has agents in the audience to make believe.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on August 25, 2017, 03:13:12 AM

Whether or not planes flying into the towers could cause the collapse is not really relevant in determining whether or not planes did fly into the towers.


But GWB and Condoleezza named 19 Arabs that did it and the purpose was to destroy the towers and if you don't agree you are a terrorist.

Who GWB and Condoleezza named is not really relevant in determining whether or not planes did fly into the towers.

I would ask if you're really this stupid but, sadly, I already know the answer.
Yes, I may be stupid answering twerp questions but the answer is that planes cannot fly through skyscraper walls. Anyone filming such an event and publishing it on the internet is part of the show. You know, magicians often has agents in the audience to make believe.
Still won't admit you have no idea whether or not there were planes.  That makes you a lying troll. 

Since you 9/11 heavily relies on some grand conspiracy, that also makes you just another crackpot conspiracy theorist.

Mike

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 25, 2017, 04:10:01 AM

Whether or not planes flying into the towers could cause the collapse is not really relevant in determining whether or not planes did fly into the towers.


But GWB and Condoleezza named 19 Arabs that did it and the purpose was to destroy the towers and if you don't agree you are a terrorist.

Who GWB and Condoleezza named is not really relevant in determining whether or not planes did fly into the towers.

I would ask if you're really this stupid but, sadly, I already know the answer.
Yes, I may be stupid answering twerp questions but the answer is that planes cannot fly through skyscraper walls. Anyone filming such an event and publishing it on the internet is part of the show. You know, magicians often has agents in the audience to make believe.
Still won't admit you have no idea whether or not there were planes.  That makes you a lying troll. 

Since you 9/11 heavily relies on some grand conspiracy, that also makes you just another crackpot conspiracy theorist.

Mike

Of course there were no planes. Fake planes were part of the show, though, all pre-recorded CGI, etc, etc.
I am not in the conspiracy theory business.

My biz is safety at sea.

http://heiwaco.com .

I assume 911 was put together to start wars of all sorts and to make particular interests richer. I am happy I have nothing to do with such twerps.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on August 25, 2017, 04:32:25 AM

Whether or not planes flying into the towers could cause the collapse is not really relevant in determining whether or not planes did fly into the towers.


But GWB and Condoleezza named 19 Arabs that did it and the purpose was to destroy the towers and if you don't agree you are a terrorist.

Who GWB and Condoleezza named is not really relevant in determining whether or not planes did fly into the towers.

I would ask if you're really this stupid but, sadly, I already know the answer.
Yes, I may be stupid answering twerp questions but the answer is that planes cannot fly through skyscraper walls. Anyone filming such an event and publishing it on the internet is part of the show. You know, magicians often has agents in the audience to make believe.
Still won't admit you have no idea whether or not there were planes.  That makes you a lying troll. 

Since you 9/11 heavily relies on some grand conspiracy, that also makes you just another crackpot conspiracy theorist.

Mike

Of course there were no planes. Fake planes were part of the show, though, all pre-recorded CGI, etc, etc.
I am not in the conspiracy theory business.

My biz is safety at sea.

http://heiwaco.com .

I assume 911 was put together to start wars of all sorts and to make particular interests richer. I am happy I have nothing to do with such twerps.
You don’t know, you can’t prove, and you never researched whether or not there were planes.

You’re just a liar with a crackpot conspiracy website.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Pezevenk on August 25, 2017, 05:25:03 AM
Can you please stop writing your name at the end of every post you make? Ok, you're Mike. Sigs exist for a reason, you can put it there if you think it's very important for everyone to know you're Mike.

Andreas
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 25, 2017, 05:37:39 AM
Can you please stop writing your name at the end of every post you make? Ok, you're Mike. Sigs exist for a reason, you can put it there if you think it's very important for everyone to know you're Mike.

Andreas
Sorry. Force of habit. I've been posting online a long time. Back in the dial-up days, before nice pretty forum software, that's what I did.

It never occurred to me that it might offend someone.

Mike...maybe for that last time. ;D
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on August 25, 2017, 05:43:31 AM
Can you please stop writing your name at the end of every post you make? Ok, you're Mike. Sigs exist for a reason, you can put it there if you think it's very important for everyone to know you're Mike.

Andreas
Sorry. Force of habit. I've been posting online a long time. Back in the dial-up days, before nice pretty forum software, that's what I did.

It never occurred to me that it might offend someone.

Mike...maybe for that last time. ;D

It never occurred to me either. But let us not get distracted from the topic of this thread. 

Boots   ;D
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Pezevenk on August 25, 2017, 05:58:14 AM
Can you please stop writing your name at the end of every post you make? Ok, you're Mike. Sigs exist for a reason, you can put it there if you think it's very important for everyone to know you're Mike.

Andreas
Sorry. Force of habit. I've been posting online a long time. Back in the dial-up days, before nice pretty forum software, that's what I did.

It never occurred to me that it might offend someone.

Mike...maybe for that last time. ;D

It doesn't offend me, I was mostly joking (mostly  ;))
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 25, 2017, 10:36:10 AM
Can you please stop writing your name at the end of every post you make? Ok, you're Mike. Sigs exist for a reason, you can put it there if you think it's very important for everyone to know you're Mike.

Andreas
Sorry. Force of habit. I've been posting online a long time. Back in the dial-up days, before nice pretty forum software, that's what I did.

It never occurred to me that it might offend someone.

Mike...maybe for that last time. ;D

It never occurred to me either. But let us not get distracted from the topic of this thread. 

Boots   ;D

I fully agree - orbital mechanics. Twerps propose it is simple for a spacecraft to blast off from Earth and then travel to the Moon and land there, etc, blahblah. http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm#3D !

The target - the Moon - is orbiting Earth and the start point Earth is rotating around itself, while orbiting the Sun.

There are many ways to do it - straight, curved or very curved. The trips have different departure and arrival speeds and directions, take different times and require different amounts of fuel. See post #2!

(http://heiwaco.tripod.com/AP11el.gif)

I personally think it is not possible at all. You cannot carry the fuel with you. I have since many years tried to establish what force to apply at what time and in what direction to be catapulted to the Moon and I am willing to pay €1M for an answer. But ... nobody knows how to do it.

 
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Pezevenk on August 25, 2017, 11:07:22 AM
I know. I described to you how you should calculate some tume ago. But you didn't bother.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 25, 2017, 11:22:18 AM
I know. I described to you how you should calculate some tume ago. But you didn't bother.
No, you didn't.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Pezevenk on August 25, 2017, 02:07:52 PM
I know. I described to you how you should calculate some tume ago. But you didn't bother.
No, you didn't.

Yes I did. I told you how to calculate Hohmann transfers. All you have to do is look up the apsises, and figure out the velocity at the moon encounter, and you're done.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 25, 2017, 02:29:49 PM
I know. I described to you how you should calculate some tume ago. But you didn't bother.
No, you didn't.

Yes I did. I told you how to calculate Hohmann transfers. All you have to do is look up the apsises, and figure out the velocity at the moon encounter, and you're done.

No, it doesn't work like that. Before blasting off out of EPO you have to (1) decide your future trajectory, establish (2) the time (GMT), (3) what force (N) to apply in EPO, (4) its direction (°), (5) how much fuel (kg) to be used, (6) your departure location, (7) departure velocity (m/s) and then verify that you are on the right way and will actually arrive at position X where Moon gravity will pull you on for landing.

What Hohmann transfer do you do - a fast, direct one using plenty fuel or a slow, curved one using less fuel?

A small mistake and you will go off into eternity.

You sound like a twerp with no knowledge of the topic. Why do you waste your time here?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on August 25, 2017, 02:49:28 PM
Can you please stop writing your name at the end of every post you make? Ok, you're Mike. Sigs exist for a reason, you can put it there if you think it's very important for everyone to know you're Mike.

Andreas
Sorry. Force of habit. I've been posting online a long time. Back in the dial-up days, before nice pretty forum software, that's what I did.

It never occurred to me that it might offend someone.

Mike...maybe for that last time. ;D

It never occurred to me either. But let us not get distracted from the topic of this thread. 

Boots   ;D

I fully agree - orbital mechanics.

The topic, as you full well know is, Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop.

Actually, I concede that you may have forgotten. That tends to happen more often as we grow older.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on August 25, 2017, 03:20:50 PM
I know. I described to you how you should calculate some tume ago. But you didn't bother.
No, you didn't.

Yes I did. I told you how to calculate Hohmann transfers. All you have to do is look up the apsises, and figure out the velocity at the moon encounter, and you're done.

No, it doesn't work like that. Before blasting off out of EPO you have to (1) decide your future trajectory, establish (2) the time (GMT), (3) what force (N) to apply in EPO, (4) its direction (°), (5) how much fuel (kg) to be used, (6) your departure location, (7) departure velocity (m/s) and then verify that you are on the right way and will actually arrive at position X where Moon gravity will pull you on for landing.

What Hohmann transfer do you do - a fast, direct one using plenty fuel or a slow, curved one using less fuel?

A small mistake and you will go off into eternity.

You sound like a twerp with no knowledge of the topic. Why do you waste your time here?

Well it's a good thing we have supercomputers then to calculate all the necessary variables.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on August 25, 2017, 03:36:59 PM
Can you please stop writing your name at the end of every post you make? Ok, you're Mike. Sigs exist for a reason, you can put it there if you think it's very important for everyone to know you're Mike.

Andreas
Sorry. Force of habit. I've been posting online a long time. Back in the dial-up days, before nice pretty forum software, that's what I did.

It never occurred to me that it might offend someone.

Mike...maybe for that last time. ;D

It never occurred to me either. But let us not get distracted from the topic of this thread. 

Boots   ;D

I fully agree - orbital mechanics. Twerps propose it is simple for a spacecraft to blast off from Earth and then travel to the Moon and land there, etc, blahblah. http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm#3D !

The target - the Moon - is orbiting Earth and the start point Earth is rotating around itself, while orbiting the Sun.

There are many ways to do it - straight, curved or very curved. The trips have different departure and arrival speeds and directions, take different times and require different amounts of fuel. See post #2!

(http://heiwaco.tripod.com/AP11el.gif)

I personally think it is not possible at all. You cannot carry the fuel with you. I have since many years tried to establish what force to apply at what time and in what direction to be catapulted to the Moon and I am willing to pay €1M for an answer. But ... nobody knows how to do it.
Nope.  You're wrong, you're a liar, you're a conspiracy nut job, and nobody you will pay out any money and most don't even believe you have it. 

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 25, 2017, 07:59:40 PM
I know. I described to you how you should calculate some tume ago. But you didn't bother.
No, you didn't.

Yes I did. I told you how to calculate Hohmann transfers. All you have to do is look up the apsises, and figure out the velocity at the moon encounter, and you're done.

No, it doesn't work like that. Before blasting off out of EPO you have to (1) decide your future trajectory, establish (2) the time (GMT), (3) what force (N) to apply in EPO, (4) its direction (°), (5) how much fuel (kg) to be used, (6) your departure location, (7) departure velocity (m/s) and then verify that you are on the right way and will actually arrive at position X where Moon gravity will pull you on for landing.

What Hohmann transfer do you do - a fast, direct one using plenty fuel or a slow, curved one using less fuel?

A small mistake and you will go off into eternity.

You sound like a twerp with no knowledge of the topic. Why do you waste your time here?

Well it's a good thing we have supercomputers then to calculate all the necessary variables.

So what trajectory do you chose? The short fast one, or the long slow one?

The short, fast one requires plenty fuel to start and stop and you get too heavy to get off the ground. And you may arrive at too high speed and pass the target.

The long, slow one will end in space at 0 speed ... and after that you will drop back on Earth, like an ICBM, and burn up at re-entry.

Or you chose an intermediate trajectory with just enough departure speed to get away from Earth gravity so you will not arrive with too high speed at the Moon requiring little fuel to brake, slow down and land?

I describe it in detail at http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm

It is so funny! Described are also the famous urine collection and waste management system so you don't have to piss in your pants.

(http://heiwaco.com/apcom.gif)

Plenty NASA people on ground assisted Apollo 11 to the Moon 1969! What they were doing looking at the screens on ground, no one knows. Any ideas?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on August 25, 2017, 09:12:37 PM
Heiwa, I don't believe the bullshit you're pedaling but even so, I could put up a lot better arguments then you do. You always bring up red herrings and irrelevant facts as though they're supporting your claim.

You still haven't provided any proof why the planes didn't fly into the towers. The closest you came was to say, "I don't think a plane could fly through the wall of a skyscraper like that, therefore there were no planes."

Snowballs, brick walls, CGI, GWB and Condoleezza do not prove that there were no planes.  Millions of people who can give firsthand testimony are sound evidence that there were planes. I know some of them personally. They are not liars or fakes.

Regarding your latest photo, what does it prove? Nothing! That photo could exist if the mission was fake and it could exist if the mission was real. Do you know what all those people were doing? Neither do I. But then, do you know what all the people at Google, or Microsoft or Apple are doing? No you don't! Does that mean that computers and the internet aren't real? What stupid arguments you make. Like I said, I'm tempted to start arguing on your behalf, just to show you how it's done.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 25, 2017, 11:12:07 PM
Can you please stop writing your name at the end of every post you make? Ok, you're Mike. Sigs exist for a reason, you can put it there if you think it's very important for everyone to know you're Mike.

Andreas
Sorry. Force of habit. I've been posting online a long time. Back in the dial-up days, before nice pretty forum software, that's what I did.

It never occurred to me that it might offend someone.

Mike...maybe for that last time. ;D

It never occurred to me either. But let us not get distracted from the topic of this thread. 

Boots   ;D

I fully agree - orbital mechanics. Twerps propose it is simple for a spacecraft to blast off from Earth and then travel to the Moon and land there, etc, blahblah. http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm#3D !

The target - the Moon - is orbiting Earth and the start point Earth is rotating around itself, while orbiting the Sun.

There are many ways to do it - straight, curved or very curved. The trips have different departure and arrival speeds and directions, take different times and require different amounts of fuel. See post #2!

(http://heiwaco.tripod.com/AP11el.gif)

I personally think it is not possible at all. You cannot carry the fuel with you. I have since many years tried to establish what force to apply at what time and in what direction to be catapulted to the Moon and I am willing to pay €1M for an answer. But ... nobody knows how to do it.
Nope.  You're wrong, you're a liar, you're a conspiracy nut job, and nobody you will pay out any money and most don't even believe you have it. 

Mike
No I am not a liar. But US presidents, their government departments of war and similar and the Mainstream Media are liars, when they say that (1) a-bombs work 1945, (2) space travel is easy and Americans have been on the Moon 1969 and (3) Arab terrorists can fly planes into skyscrapers that then collapse from top down 2001. Other lies I detest are (4) that bow visors can silently be knocked of ships in storms 1994 and (5) fusion on Earth is possible/just around the corner 2018.

You believe these lies because you are a twerp and lack intelligence and cannot understand that my five €1M Challenges cannot be won. My money is safe. Only idiots believe I am serious about my Challenges. They think I would pay for something that is just a heap of lies.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 25, 2017, 11:23:04 PM
Heiwa, I don't believe the bullshit you're pedaling but even so, I could put up a lot better arguments then you do. You always bring up red herrings and irrelevant facts as though they're supporting your claim.

You still haven't provided any proof why the planes didn't fly into the towers. The closest you came was to say, "I don't think a plane could fly through the wall of a skyscraper like that, therefore there were no planes."

Snowballs, brick walls, CGI, GWB and Condoleezza do not prove that there were no planes.  Millions of people who can give firsthand testimony are sound evidence that there were planes. I know some of them personally. They are not liars or fakes.

Regarding your latest photo, what does it prove? Nothing! That photo could exist if the mission was fake and it could exist if the mission was real. Do you know what all those people were doing? Neither do I. But then, do you know what all the people at Google, or Microsoft or Apple are doing? No you don't! Does that mean that computers and the internet aren't real? What stupid arguments you make. Like I said, I'm tempted to start arguing on your behalf, just to show you how it's done.

Haven't I provided proof that aluminium planes cannot fly through walls of vertical steel columnes supported by horizontal concrete floors?
I thought it was obvious that the plane is sliced into pieces and that the parts bounce off the wall and drops to the ground.
Any person saying that planes can fly through walls is a liar.
They may have seen something like it but it is proof of nothing.

Re the photo of 100+ NASA Moon travel experts sitting in front of computer screens or whatever assisting Apollo 11+ to fly to the Moon it is just fake. Plenty actors playing 'experts' in front of mock-up computers.

Only twerps believe it is real.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on August 25, 2017, 11:52:21 PM
Heiwa, I don't believe the bullshit you're pedaling but even so, I could put up a lot better arguments then you do. You always bring up red herrings and irrelevant facts as though they're supporting your claim.

You still haven't provided any proof why the planes didn't fly into the towers. The closest you came was to say, "I don't think a plane could fly through the wall of a skyscraper like that, therefore there were no planes."

Snowballs, brick walls, CGI, GWB and Condoleezza do not prove that there were no planes.  Millions of people who can give firsthand testimony are sound evidence that there were planes. I know some of them personally. They are not liars or fakes.

Regarding your latest photo, what does it prove? Nothing! That photo could exist if the mission was fake and it could exist if the mission was real. Do you know what all those people were doing? Neither do I. But then, do you know what all the people at Google, or Microsoft or Apple are doing? No you don't! Does that mean that computers and the internet aren't real? What stupid arguments you make. Like I said, I'm tempted to start arguing on your behalf, just to show you how it's done.

Haven't I provided proof that aluminium planes cannot fly through walls of vertical steel columnes supported by horizontal concrete floors?
I thought it was obvious that the plane is sliced into pieces and that the parts bounce off the wall and drops to the ground.
Any person saying that planes can fly through walls is a liar.
They may have seen something like it but it is proof of nothing.

Re the photo of 100+ NASA Moon travel experts sitting in front of computer screens or whatever assisting Apollo 11+ to fly to the Moon it is just fake. Plenty actors playing 'experts' in front of mock-up computers.

Only twerps believe it is real.

You have provided proof of nothing. You have provided no information whatsoever regarding material strengths or forces involved. Claiming it's true because it's obviously true is the stupidest argument ever. And calling anyone who disagrees with you a twerp rates a close second.

And neither your picture, nor anything you've said is any proof whatsoever of what the moon travel experts are or aren't doing. You just post the picture and state that they are actors playing "expert".

Like I said, I could come up with better arguments than that in my sleep, even though what I would be arguing for is utter bullshit!

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on August 26, 2017, 12:49:20 AM
I know. I described to you how you should calculate some tume ago. But you didn't bother.
No, you didn't.

Yes I did. I told you how to calculate Hohmann transfers. All you have to do is look up the apsises, and figure out the velocity at the moon encounter, and you're done.

No, it doesn't work like that. Before blasting off out of EPO you have to (1) decide your future trajectory, establish (2) the time (GMT), (3) what force (N) to apply in EPO, (4) its direction (°), (5) how much fuel (kg) to be used, (6) your departure location, (7) departure velocity (m/s) and then verify that you are on the right way and will actually arrive at position X where Moon gravity will pull you on for landing.

What Hohmann transfer do you do - a fast, direct one using plenty fuel or a slow, curved one using less fuel?

A small mistake and you will go off into eternity.

You sound like a twerp with no knowledge of the topic. Why do you waste your time here?

You find the dV first and then the fuel.

I don't know why you insist so much on the direction. There is one direction you have to thrust to in Hohmann transfers, the direction perpendicular to the radius of your orbit (from its epicenter). The force depends on how long the burn lasts, the outcome is more or less the same.

The "slow curved trajectory" takes more fuel and gets you somewhere else. There's ONE possible Hohmann transfer to get your apoapsis to a certain point from a certain orbit.

You know that burn won't get you on the ground straight away, right? You will have to make another burn to be captured in the Moon's orbit and circularize your trajectory (a Hohmann transfer again) and another to bring your periapsis down and land.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 26, 2017, 01:42:33 AM
I know. I described to you how you should calculate some tume ago. But you didn't bother.
No, you didn't.

Yes I did. I told you how to calculate Hohmann transfers. All you have to do is look up the apsises, and figure out the velocity at the moon encounter, and you're done.

No, it doesn't work like that. Before blasting off out of EPO you have to (1) decide your future trajectory, establish (2) the time (GMT), (3) what force (N) to apply in EPO, (4) its direction (°), (5) how much fuel (kg) to be used, (6) your departure location, (7) departure velocity (m/s) and then verify that you are on the right way and will actually arrive at position X where Moon gravity will pull you on for landing.

What Hohmann transfer do you do - a fast, direct one using plenty fuel or a slow, curved one using less fuel?

A small mistake and you will go off into eternity.

You sound like a twerp with no knowledge of the topic. Why do you waste your time here?

You find the dV first and then the fuel.

I don't know why you insist so much on the direction. There is one direction you have to thrust to in Hohmann transfers, the direction perpendicular to the radius of your orbit (from its epicenter). The force depends on how long the burn lasts, the outcome is more or less the same.

The "slow curved trajectory" takes more fuel and gets you somewhere else. There's ONE possible Hohmann transfer to get your apoapsis to a certain point from a certain orbit.

You know that burn won't get you on the ground straight away, right? You will have to make another burn to be captured in the Moon's orbit and circularize your trajectory (a Hohmann transfer again) and another to bring your periapsis down and land.

So when and where in the EPO do you apply the force (N) to obtain a dV (m/s) so you can calculate the fuel required (kg)?  The velocity in EPO is quite high and, if you apply the force at the wrong location/time, you are dead.

What dV are you talking about? ~3 700 m/s? What force (N) is required, how long do you apply it (s) and what is the fuel consumption (kg)?
And how are you certain you arrive, where the Moon gravity will take over?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on August 26, 2017, 02:36:35 AM
I know. I described to you how you should calculate some tume ago. But you didn't bother.
No, you didn't.

Yes I did. I told you how to calculate Hohmann transfers. All you have to do is look up the apsises, and figure out the velocity at the moon encounter, and you're done.

No, it doesn't work like that. Before blasting off out of EPO you have to (1) decide your future trajectory, establish (2) the time (GMT), (3) what force (N) to apply in EPO, (4) its direction (°), (5) how much fuel (kg) to be used, (6) your departure location, (7) departure velocity (m/s) and then verify that you are on the right way and will actually arrive at position X where Moon gravity will pull you on for landing.

What Hohmann transfer do you do - a fast, direct one using plenty fuel or a slow, curved one using less fuel?

A small mistake and you will go off into eternity.

You sound like a twerp with no knowledge of the topic. Why do you waste your time here?

You find the dV first and then the fuel.

I don't know why you insist so much on the direction. There is one direction you have to thrust to in Hohmann transfers, the direction perpendicular to the radius of your orbit (from its epicenter). The force depends on how long the burn lasts, the outcome is more or less the same.

The "slow curved trajectory" takes more fuel and gets you somewhere else. There's ONE possible Hohmann transfer to get your apoapsis to a certain point from a certain orbit.

You know that burn won't get you on the ground straight away, right? You will have to make another burn to be captured in the Moon's orbit and circularize your trajectory (a Hohmann transfer again) and another to bring your periapsis down and land.

So when and where in the EPO do you apply the force (N) to obtain a dV (m/s) so you can calculate the fuel required (kg)?  The velocity in EPO is quite high and, if you apply the force at the wrong location/time, you are dead.

What dV are you talking about? ~3 700 m/s? What force (N) is required, how long do you apply it (s) and what is the fuel consumption (kg)?
And how are you certain you arrive, where the Moon gravity will take over?

Well, that's why you're not going to apply it to the wrong direction. What you're saying is comparable to "if you're in a highway and you rapidly steer your car the wrong direction, you're going to crash".

You make the burn at the point where you've calculated beforehand will get you to the moon. How are you certain that it will get you there? Well, you're certain because you know the distance to the moon, where it will be at any given time, and how long it's going to take for your spaceship to complete its trajectory towards that point. All that is known so you can be certain.

I don't know what the dV required for the trans lunar injection is, you can calculate it. I'm on my phone now and I can't do it for you. ~3.5km/s seems reasonable. I told you the force is irrelevant, and specific to the spacecraft. You can look up how powerful Saturn V's engines of that stage were and find out. As long as you thrust long enough but your engines aren't so weak the burn will take so long as to completely miss your node the result is pretty much the same.

The fuel consumption is specific to your spacecraft and you can calculate it given the dV using the Tsiolkovsky rocket equation.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 26, 2017, 03:35:12 AM
I know. I described to you how you should calculate some tume ago. But you didn't bother.
No, you didn't.

Yes I did. I told you how to calculate Hohmann transfers. All you have to do is look up the apsises, and figure out the velocity at the moon encounter, and you're done.

No, it doesn't work like that. Before blasting off out of EPO you have to (1) decide your future trajectory, establish (2) the time (GMT), (3) what force (N) to apply in EPO, (4) its direction (°), (5) how much fuel (kg) to be used, (6) your departure location, (7) departure velocity (m/s) and then verify that you are on the right way and will actually arrive at position X where Moon gravity will pull you on for landing.

What Hohmann transfer do you do - a fast, direct one using plenty fuel or a slow, curved one using less fuel?

A small mistake and you will go off into eternity.

You sound like a twerp with no knowledge of the topic. Why do you waste your time here?

You find the dV first and then the fuel.

I don't know why you insist so much on the direction. There is one direction you have to thrust to in Hohmann transfers, the direction perpendicular to the radius of your orbit (from its epicenter). The force depends on how long the burn lasts, the outcome is more or less the same.

The "slow curved trajectory" takes more fuel and gets you somewhere else. There's ONE possible Hohmann transfer to get your apoapsis to a certain point from a certain orbit.

You know that burn won't get you on the ground straight away, right? You will have to make another burn to be captured in the Moon's orbit and circularize your trajectory (a Hohmann transfer again) and another to bring your periapsis down and land.

So when and where in the EPO do you apply the force (N) to obtain a dV (m/s) so you can calculate the fuel required (kg)?  The velocity in EPO is quite high and, if you apply the force at the wrong location/time, you are dead.

What dV are you talking about? ~3 700 m/s? What force (N) is required, how long do you apply it (s) and what is the fuel consumption (kg)?
And how are you certain you arrive, where the Moon gravity will take over?

Well, that's why you're not going to apply it to the wrong direction. What you're saying is comparable to "if you're in a highway and you rapidly steer your car the wrong direction, you're going to crash".

You make the burn at the point where you've calculated beforehand will get you to the moon. How are you certain that it will get you there? Well, you're certain because you know the distance to the moon, where it will be at any given time, and how long it's going to take for your spaceship to complete its trajectory towards that point. All that is known so you can be certain.

I don't know what the dV required for the trans lunar injection is, you can calculate it. I'm on my phone now and I can't do it for you. ~3.5km/s seems reasonable. I told you the force is irrelevant, and specific to the spacecraft. You can look up how powerful Saturn V's engines of that stage were and find out. As long as you thrust long enough but your engines aren't so weak the burn will take so long as to completely miss your node the result is pretty much the same.

The fuel consumption is specific to your spacecraft and you can calculate it given the dV using the Tsiolkovsky rocket equation.

LOL! You are in high velocity EPO and change direction 360° every 90 minutes in one plane in space, while the Moon orbits the Earth in another plane in 28 days far, far away. So you think a simple Hohmann transfer will bring you from one plane to another. It doesn't work. Please review your basic orbital mechanics (topic) books.

And the Tsiolkovsky rocket equation is only valid in vacuum space ignoring gravity forces from adjacent heavenly bodies. Nobody uses it to space fly Earth/Moon.

Sorry, you are just another loser! Cannot calculate a simple trip to the Moon. Why not ask the clown of SpaceSex selling cars that must be plugged to the electric grid to work, for advice.

He will sell you a trip to Mars ... but you have to buy one of his cars first! A Texla ... What a clown. But plenty twerps believe in him, too.

It is very easy to fool Americans. I assume you are one. Bad education, racist, religious, living in close groups, not really in contact with the outside world, bad language, hygiene. Etc, etc.

Donald has just decided to send 1000's of you to Afghanistan to kill terrorists. Sometimes I think he sends them just to be killed ... so the show can go on.

What do you think. Do you think?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Pezevenk on August 26, 2017, 04:20:31 AM
I'm not american. I'm Greek, I wonder what kind of racist nonsense you have to say about that.

Everything you said is completely stupid. Not a single thing you said makes using Hohmann transfers unusable in the situation. You're just saying "I don't understand it and sounds comex to me, so it's impossible!". If the issue to you is the inclination of the planes, adjusting the inclination a few degrees is pretty easy and requires just a small burn. The rest is just a Hohmann transfer.

The Tsiolkovsky rocket equation is always valid. You can just feed it the dV your rocket produces, the exhaust speed and the initial mass and you get the final mass. Pretty simple. You just have to calculate the dV required for the trans lunar injection, are you competent enough to do that?

I think you're a senile curmudgeonly twerp, that's what I think.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 26, 2017, 04:50:32 AM
I'm not american. I'm Greek, I wonder what kind of racist nonsense you have to say about that.

Everything you said is completely stupid. Not a single thing you said makes using Hohmann transfers unusable in the situation. You're just saying "I don't understand it and sounds comex to me, so it's impossible!". If the issue to you is the inclination of the planes, adjusting the inclination a few degrees is pretty easy and requires just a small burn. The rest is just a Hohmann transfer.

The Tsiolkovsky rocket equation is always valid. You can just feed it the dV your rocket produces, the exhaust speed and the initial mass and you get the final mass. Pretty simple. You just have to calculate the dV required for the trans lunar injection, are you competent enough to do that?

I think you're a senile curmudgeonly twerp, that's what I think.

Ok, you are  Greek. I have been to Piraeus many times repairing/inspecting/buying ships.

Things I do not understand are not impossible but only, so far, not understood by me. I pay anyone €1M to explain some of them to me. So far, no takers.

The Tsiolkovsky rocket equation is not valid in a strong gravity field, e.g. trying to get away from Earth. It is only valid in space away from influence of heavenly bodies and their gravity and calculates how much fuel mass is ejected at a certain speed to change the speed of your spacecraft in the other direction.

It is like the Hohmann transfer. You are orbiting something, e.g. Earth, and you think you can reach the Moon using it.

The Hohmann transfer orbit is an elliptical trajectory used to transfer between two circular orbits of different radii in the same plane. So when orbiting Earth you must be in the same plane as the Moon orbiting Earth to use it to arrive to the Moon. To perform a Hohmann transfer you must also use two rocket engine impulses (apply forces), one to move the spacecraft onto the transfer trajectory and a second to move off it, if you follow. If you just fire your engine once to catapult yourself to the Moon, it is not a Hohmann transfer and you will miss the target. During the Hohmann transit your speed and direction change all the time so better keep track where you are. It is very easy to miss the target at the end of the transfer.

You sound like a Greek trying to sell Acropolis to me.


Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Pezevenk on August 26, 2017, 05:37:57 AM
The Tsiolkovsky rocket equation is always valid and gives you the integral of the acceleration due to the rocket's engines over the time of the burn, ie the dV.

I already said adjusting the inclination to get you on the same plane is not hard and requires little dV. Sometimes it happens straight from the launch.

It is not "easy" to miss the target, everything is timed, it seems like you're pulling the "it's too complex for me, so it's impossible!" trope again.

A trans lunar injection is approximately a Hohmann transfer orbit. Not all Hohmann transfers end in circular orbits around the original object. You do need to make a second burn on your moon encounter, so that your relatuve velocity with ir drops and you're captured. That's the second part of the Hohmann transfer, you "circularize" (not exactly like that since the moon's gravity will start affecting you) so that your orbit is about the same with the moon's. Please read more into trans lunar injections.

You sound like a curmudgeon.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 26, 2017, 08:01:29 AM

The Tsiolkovsky rocket equation is always valid and gives you the integral of the acceleration due to the rocket's engines over the time of the burn, ie the dV.


Well, in a strong gravity field, i.e. where e.g. Earth gravity acts on the rocket, the equation is not valid. During the time the rocket's engines burn, gravity reduces the acceleration, i.e. dV.

And as soon as the rocket force is no longer applied, the speed is continually reduced ... by gravity.

You better consider this when trying to calculate fuel required to go to the Moon or Mars. 





Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on August 27, 2017, 04:53:33 PM
I am amazed at the number of twerp posts claiming that a light aluminium plane flying through a solid wall of steel columns is a crash.
We could all see live on TV how the plane just disappeared into the building behind the wall. No crash.
A crash would have been the steel columns slicing the plane into pieces that would drop down on the ground outside the wall.
Do a test your self. Throw a snow ball on a brick wall. What happens?

Lol he's got you there.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on August 27, 2017, 04:57:54 PM
I am amazed at the number of twerp posts claiming that a light aluminium plane flying through a solid wall of steel columns is a crash.
We could all see live on TV how the plane just disappeared into the building behind the wall. No crash.
A crash would have been the steel columns slicing the plane into pieces that would drop down on the ground outside the wall.
Do a test your self. Throw a snow ball on a brick wall. What happens?

So according to you, the plane went through the building

Yes. It did. Here is video evidence.


and landed somewhere else?

Most likely.  American Airlines Flight 11 and United Airlines Flight 175 most likely never hit the towers and were landed elsewhere yes. Same with the Pentagon plane. We saw drones hit the towers live on TV.

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: markjo on August 27, 2017, 06:28:26 PM
I am amazed at the number of twerp posts claiming that a light aluminium plane flying through a solid wall of steel columns is a crash.
The max takeoff weight of a 757 is 255,000 lbs.  I don't think that very many people would consider quarter of a million pounds to be light.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on August 27, 2017, 07:12:50 PM
I am amazed at the number of twerp posts claiming that a light aluminium plane flying through a solid wall of steel columns is a crash.
The max takeoff weight of a 757 is 255,000 lbs.  I don't think that very many people would consider quarter of a million pounds to be light.

Compared to the mass of wtc 1 and 2 it was indeed very light.

The Earth is light compared to The sun.

There is no fixed frame of reference.

500 000 000 kg vs 115 666 kg.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on August 27, 2017, 07:27:14 PM
I am amazed at the number of twerp posts claiming that a light aluminium plane flying through a solid wall of steel columns is a crash.
We could all see live on TV how the plane just disappeared into the building behind the wall. No crash.
A crash would have been the steel columns slicing the plane into pieces that would drop down on the ground outside the wall.
Do a test your self. Throw a snow ball on a brick wall. What happens?

Lol he's got you there.

No he doesn't. At all. It's true because it's obviously true is not an argument. The snowball analogy doesn't appear to be anywhere close to applicable and at any rate he has done nothing to demonstrate that it is applicable.

Furthermore, he is using this weak argument to try and refute the fact that millions observed the planes, some of which I personally know.

I don't argue on the 911 thread much because I really don't know too much about what did or didn't bring the towers down. But this I know to a high enough level of certainty to claim that I am certain, those planes flew into the towers.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on August 27, 2017, 07:36:28 PM
I don't argue on the 911 thread because I'm scared.

Yes boots very good. He does it so people like you can point at him and say

"hurr durr heiwa is so stupid therefore the 911 commission report has to be true hurr durr."

He does good work. A more effective asset than Rayzor. They learned long ago you can't debunk wtc 7 with facts so they use controlled opposition alongside sites like metabunk.

Millions of people did see planes hit the towers then the towers collapse. Very astute.

(https://s2.postimg.org/i5428a7u1/images-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on August 27, 2017, 07:41:16 PM
I don't argue on the 911 thread because I'm scared.

Yes boots very good. He does it so people like you can point at him and say

"hurr durr heiwa is so stupid therefore the 911 commission report has to be true hurr durr."

He does good work. A more effective asset than Rayzor. They learned long ago you can't debunk wtc 7 with facts so they use controlled opposition alongside sites like metabunk.

Millions of people did see planes hit the towers then the towers collapse. Very astute.


Changing other peoples quotes is very immature and I'm not afraid to say so.

Heiwa's argument is not a good one and I personally know people who I trust a lot more than I trust you who saw the planes.

Rayzor and his arguments have nothing to do with me thanks.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on August 27, 2017, 07:44:10 PM
Hit a nerve hey? Hurts when it's true.

I'm happy to have an in depth discussions with anyone on 9/11. MaNaeSWolf and I had a great discussion. Unfortunately he left. If you wanted to debate you are months late.

Bhs has extensive experience in mechanical engineering and is happy to explain why the plane cutting through the steel columns like butter while keeping its structural shape couldn't have happened.

But you didn't want a real debate. You want to circlejerk and call Heiwa an idiot with the rest of these mouthbreathers.

Something hit those buildings boots, just not a commercial plane. Many witnesses saw this.

Watch the video if you are brave enough.

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on August 27, 2017, 07:50:07 PM
Hit a nerve hey? Hurts when it's true.

I'm happy to have an in depth discussions with anyone on 9/11. MaNaeSWolf and I had a great discussion. Unfortunately he left. If you wanted to debate you are months late.

Bhs has extensive experience in mechanical engineering and is happy to explain why the plane cutting through the steel columns like butter while keeping its structural shape couldn't have happened.

But you didn't want a real debate. You want to circlejerk and call Heiwa an idiot with the rest of these mouthbreathers.

I have always told people who change my quotes that they are immature. If you want to have in depth discussions than stop such immature behavior.

Furthermore, when you're called on it you use the "hit a nerve hey? I guess that means I'm right and you're wrong" defense, which is also a grade school level tactic.

All I know is that people I trust saw the planes.

I am not afraid to discuss anything but if I don't know, I'm not going pretend I do, and then stoop to immature tactics to try and claim a win.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on August 27, 2017, 07:51:14 PM
That nerve tho.

There's enough info in the post above to keep you busy.

Stick to debating Heiwa if you can't handle me. I have no doubt people saw planes.

Check it out.


Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on August 27, 2017, 07:57:52 PM
That nerve tho.

There's enough info in the post above to keep you busy.

Stick to debating Heiwa if you can't handle me. I have no doubt people saw planes.

Check it out.

I debate Heiwa because I don't ever expect to get mature behavior from him but it gives me something to do when I'm bored.

I don't engage with you because I respected you, and then you started using stupid approaches like the above when you started arguing for 911. I keep hoping you'll snap out of it.

If you're really into facing the truth then face this, you are just as responsible as rayzor, if not more, for the fiasco in the 911 thread.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on August 27, 2017, 08:08:20 PM
Still won't engage any of the content. Please understand my frustration.

Bhs has extensive experience in mechanical engineering and is happy to explain why the plane cutting through the steel columns like butter while keeping its structural shape couldn't have happened.

Something hit those buildings boots, just not a commercial plane. Many witnesses saw this.

Watch the video if you are brave enough.



Rayzor is the good guy, he has to be, or else your narrative falls apart. I understand. Please understand my contempt.

You lost your "respect" for me when you discovered I was a "conspiracy theorist" get real. You liked it better just ripping on flat earthers and not having to use your brain.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on August 27, 2017, 08:11:47 PM
Still won't engage any of the content.

Bhs has extensive experience in mechanical engineering and is happy to explain why the plane cutting through the steel columns like butter while keeping its structural shape couldn't have happened.

Something hit those buildings boots, just not a commercial plane. Many witnesses saw this.

Watch the video if you are brave enough.


There's a lot of people I don't engage with and you're one of them. I've explained why. I won't engage with you 'til you smarten up, and even then I may not engage if I don't feel I understand the subject well enough. If you think that is because I'm afraid, why don't you go ahead and alter my quote again.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on August 27, 2017, 08:14:54 PM
I don't argue on the 911 thread because I'm scared.

So debate Heiwa. You "engaged" with my post then I schooled you, now you are running away. Goodbye Boots.

""I saw planes hit the towers on TV therefore the 911 commission report is right hahahahaha. I win again Truthers.""

@Heiwa tell Rayzor he may as well retire, you've got it under control.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on August 27, 2017, 08:19:28 PM
I don't argue on the 911 thread because I'm scared.

So debate Heiwa. You "engaged" with my post then I schooled you, now you are running away. Goodbye Boots.

This is another one of your tactics. Claiming you've schooled me. That's a purely subjective observation. I could just as easily claim that I schooled you. That's grade school level arguing, not real debate.

If you want to debate me, then cut the juvenile antics. And insisting that either I debate you, or I've been "schooled" is one of them.

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on August 27, 2017, 08:29:52 PM
Ok what do you think about the multiple eyewitness' that say "that's not / wasn't a commercial plane." No windows etc.

Pure coincidence?

What do you think about a hollow aluminium plane totally keeping it's shape apon collision with reinforced Structural Steel? In the context of Newton and Galileo.

(https://s2.postimg.org/i5428a7u1/images-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: markjo on August 27, 2017, 08:36:50 PM
I am amazed at the number of twerp posts claiming that a light aluminium plane flying through a solid wall of steel columns is a crash.
The max takeoff weight of a 757 is 255,000 lbs.  I don't think that very many people would consider quarter of a million pounds to be light.

Compared to the mass of wtc 1 and 2 it was indeed very light.
How massive were the steel columns that the planes crashed into at >500 mph?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on August 27, 2017, 08:47:12 PM
I am amazed at the number of twerp posts claiming that a light aluminium plane flying through a solid wall of steel columns is a crash.
The max takeoff weight of a 757 is 255,000 lbs.  I don't think that very many people would consider quarter of a million pounds to be light.

Compared to the mass of wtc 1 and 2 it was indeed very light.
How massive were the steel columns that the planes crashed into at >500 mph?

I don't have the shop drawings on my phone. I'll chase up the mass of the columns if you can't find it.

I wouldn't advertise the >500mph speed at sea level if you wanna prop up the commission report tbh.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on August 27, 2017, 08:59:33 PM
Ok what do you think about the multiple eyewitness' that say "that's not / wasnt a commercial plane." No windows etc.

Pure coincidence?

What do you think about a hollow aluminium plane totally keeping it's shape apon collision with Structural Steel? In the context of Newton and Galileo.

I think that's more of an argument than Heiwa's provided, plus your contention seems to be that it "wasn't a commercial plane" as opposed to Heiwa saying there were no planes. I never said there wasn't a good argument to be made , I said that Heiwa didn't make a good argument. And if you think he did, it's because you have your colored glasses on.

The eyewitnesses I spoke to did not seem to have an issue with the fact that the planes were commercial airliners, but we didn't discuss that specifically because it wasn't being questioned at the time, or at least not that I knew about. I haven't spoken with them in awhile. Perhaps I could catch up with one or more of them and ask what they have to say about that.

As to the strength of the materials and how they would re-act under the circumstances, I don't know. (But just to claim that an airliner is made of aluminum and the building is made of steel and concrete, therefore the plane would act like a snowball thrown against brick is not a good argument. A hand, which would normally break when smashed against concrete can, under certain circumstances, go through brick. ) And I certainly have little if any confidence in what you, or BHS or rayzor or User have to say about it. Furthermore, videos are posted all the time claiming to have "schooled" the opposing viewpoint.

Being told that I am "running away" "afraid" have "been schooled"  etc. just because I don't delve deeper into the issue is offensive and I don't intend to spend much time engaging with people who use those kind of tactics.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on August 27, 2017, 09:06:31 PM
Ok what do you think about the multiple eyewitness' that say "that's not / wasn't a commercial plane." No windows etc.

Pure coincidence?

What do you think about a hollow aluminium plane totally keeping it's shape apon collision with reinforced Structural Steel? In the context of Newton and Galileo.

I don't know.

That's fine, no worries.

Being told that I am "running away" "afraid" have "been schooled"  etc. just because I don't delve deeper into the issue is offensive and I don't intend to spend much time engaging with people who use those kind of tactics.

To your credit that last post wasn't that bad.

Edit cause I feel bad about the mental gymnastics people do on this topic.

People can't punch "through" bricks, we can punch them and break them in half, we don't punch "through" bricks.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 27, 2017, 09:14:12 PM
I am amazed at the number of twerp posts claiming that a light aluminium plane flying through a solid wall of steel columns is a crash.
The max takeoff weight of a 757 is 255,000 lbs.  I don't think that very many people would consider quarter of a million pounds to be light.

Compared to the mass of wtc 1 and 2 it was indeed very light.
How massive were the steel columns that the planes crashed into at >500 mph?
Why do you always interrupt an interesting discussion with a twerp question?

I explain the WTC destruction at http://heiwaco.com/nist.htm .

Of course the original topic of the thread was my alleged lack of understanding in orbital mechanics. I explain at http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm , why you cannot fly to the Moon.

The common feature is that many people believe propaganda and suffer from cognitive dissonance.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on August 27, 2017, 09:16:54 PM
Ok what do you think about the multiple eyewitness' that say "that's not / wasn't a commercial plane." No windows etc.

Pure coincidence?

What do you think about a hollow aluminium plane totally keeping it's shape apon collision with reinforced Structural Steel? In the context of Newton and Galileo.

I don't know.

That's fine, no worries.

Being told that I am "running away" "afraid" have "been schooled"  etc. just because I don't delve deeper into the issue is offensive and I don't intend to spend much time engaging with people who use those kind of tactics.

To your credit that last post wasn't that bad.


Sure. But your tactics are still juvenile regardless of the quality of my posts.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on August 27, 2017, 09:21:03 PM
If I missed anything of substance I apologise. I thought "I don't know" nicely summed up your well worded post. To be fair you had nothing on the eyewitnesses to the planes except "I don't know" and for the collision physics you also said "I don't know."

I didn't think you were being immature I recognised you trying and appreciated it.

Again cause I feel bad about the mental gymnastics people do on this topic.

People can't punch "through" bricks, we can punch them and break them in half, we don't punch "through" bricks.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on August 27, 2017, 09:24:37 PM
If I missed anything of substance I apologise. I thought "I don't know" nicely summed up your well worded post. To be fair you had nothing on the eyewitnesses to the planes except "I don't know" and for the collision physics you also said "I don't know."

I didn't think you were being immature I recognised you trying and appreciated it.

Edit cause I feel bad about the mental gymnastics people do on this topic.

People can't punch "through" bricks, we can punch them and break them in half, we don't punch "through" bricks.

Sure. I acknowledge that was a reasonable response. I was speaking about your tactics earlier in this thread. Ones you have used over and over throughout the forum ad nauseum.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on August 27, 2017, 09:27:01 PM
Sure ok. There was that one post where I lost my temper. I'm not going to be mr nice guy so others can walk all over me.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on August 27, 2017, 09:28:13 PM
Sure ok. There was that one post where I lost my temper. I'm not going to be mr nice guy so others can walk all over me.

Maybe you should consider not walking all over other people.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on August 27, 2017, 09:41:09 PM
Sure ok. There was that one post where I lost my temper. I'm not going to be mr nice guy so others can walk all over me.

Maybe you should consider not walking all over other people.

And be a doormat? Take all the insults / shilling with a smile and a thankyou? No thanks.

There are two types of people, the buyers and those who get bought. Actually there's one other kind.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on August 27, 2017, 09:44:34 PM
Sure ok. There was that one post where I lost my temper. I'm not going to be mr nice guy so others can walk all over me.

Maybe you should consider not walking all over other people.

And be a doormat? Take all the insults / shilling with a smile and a thankyou? No thanks.

There are two types of people, the buyers and those who get bought. Actually there's one other kind.

Yeah. There's the kind who treats others with respect and generally gets treated with respect in return.

You treat people like shit.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on August 27, 2017, 09:45:02 PM
I am amazed at the number of twerp posts claiming that a light aluminium plane flying through a solid wall of steel columns is a crash.
The max takeoff weight of a 757 is 255,000 lbs.  I don't think that very many people would consider quarter of a million pounds to be light.

Compared to the mass of wtc 1 and 2 it was indeed very light.
How massive were the steel columns that the planes crashed into at >500 mph?
Why do you always interrupt an interesting discussion with a twerp question?
Why do you always interrupt with twerp answers?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on August 27, 2017, 10:25:18 PM
 :P
Sure ok. There was that one post where I lost my temper. I'm not going to be mr nice guy so others can walk all over me.

Maybe you should consider not walking all over other people.

And be a doormat? Take all the insults / shilling with a smile and a thankyou? No thanks.

There are two types of people, the buyers and those who get bought. Actually there's one other kind.

Yeah. There's the kind who treats others with respect and generally gets treated with respect in return.

You treat people like shit.

And you've been bought. Po ones nerfect. Nice guys finish last.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on August 27, 2017, 10:28:39 PM
:P
Sure ok. There was that one post where I lost my temper. I'm not going to be mr nice guy so others can walk all over me.

Maybe you should consider not walking all over other people.

And be a doormat? Take all the insults / shilling with a smile and a thankyou? No thanks.

There are two types of people, the buyers and those who get bought. Actually there's one other kind.

Yeah. There's the kind who treats others with respect and generally gets treated with respect in return.

You treat people like shit.

And you've been bought. Po ones nerfect. Nice guys finish last.

If that's what being bought is I'll take it. If whatever you're doing is finishing first you can have it. Bigly.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on August 27, 2017, 10:37:27 PM
I'm not finishing first, far from it. There hasn't been as much winning as I had hoped. The swamp is bigger than I ever could have imagined. Baby steps, peoples fee fees might get a little hurt along the way. I am ok for this to happen.

I'm more than willing to have people hate me to do what I think is right. You aren't.

An important distinction.

You sound like crutonius. "If it's Trump or the Deep State then I support the Deep State."

Disgusting.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on August 27, 2017, 10:48:17 PM
I'm not finishing first, far from it. There hasn't been as much winning as I had hoped. The swamp is bigger than I ever could have imagined. Baby steps, peoples fee fees might get a little hurt along the way. I am ok for this to happen.

I'm more than willing to have people hate me to do what I think is right. You aren't.

An important distinction.

You sound like crutonius. "If it's Trump or the Deep State then I support the Deep State."

Disgusting.

You are willing to stoop to the most juvenile of tactics in order to claim yourself the winner of an argument. Disgusting.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on August 27, 2017, 10:55:44 PM
There's those balls. I knew I could find them somewhere.

Nice.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on August 27, 2017, 10:58:28 PM
There's those balls. I knew I could find them somewhere.

Nice.

Now if we could just find that shred of decency. I know it used to exist but does it still?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on August 27, 2017, 11:00:43 PM
It never existed. Just the collective reeeee's of the trillions of people lied to, treated unfairly and left behind.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Crouton on August 27, 2017, 11:15:13 PM
I'm not finishing first, far from it. There hasn't been as much winning as I had hoped. The swamp is bigger than I ever could have imagined. Baby steps, peoples fee fees might get a little hurt along the way. I am ok for this to happen.

I'm more than willing to have people hate me to do what I think is right. You aren't.

An important distinction.

You sound like crutonius. "If it's Trump or the Deep State then I support the Deep State."

Disgusting.

You're bent out of shape over that?  Would it help if I told you that the Deep State is a figment of 4chan's imagination?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on August 27, 2017, 11:20:15 PM
Would it help if I told you that the Deep State is a figment of 4chan's imagination?

Will that bring back the innocent lives lost on account of the lies we were told about the WMD's to start an illegal and unjustifiable war built on the deception of the American citizens?

Will it? Crutonius?

Cause if it will I'll just pretend I'm one of those deaf mutes. I'll forgive and I'll forget. Just tell me that saying "the deep state doesn't exist" brings back everything they took from us and I'll say whatever people want to hear.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on August 27, 2017, 11:25:27 PM
I apologize for my rather large part in derailing this thread. I will try to refrain from posting about anything other than Heiwa's lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop for a good long while.  ;D
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 27, 2017, 11:43:30 PM
I apologize for my rather large part in derailing this thread. I will try to refrain from posting about anything other than Heiwa's lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop for a good long while.  ;D

Good, stay on topic. It seems I made a remark far back of Apollo asstronuts having to piss in their pants 1969 going to the Moon with the result that NASA sent me some scientific notes about pissing in a hose, that then was purged with something before someone opened a valve to dump the content overboard into the outside vacuum. We never discussed the fecal problems. That shit was just collected aboard.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on August 27, 2017, 11:53:22 PM
We never discussed the fecal problems. That shit was just collected aboard.

Actually a delightful pun.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 28, 2017, 12:13:45 AM
. . . the result that NASA sent me some scientific notes about pissing in a hose,

Sure it wasn't, "go piss up a rope"?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 28, 2017, 02:22:05 AM
I don't argue on the 911 thread because I'm scared.

Yes boots very good. He does it so people like you can point at him and say

"hurr durr heiwa is so stupid therefore the 911 commission report has to be true hurr durr."

He does good work. A more effective asset than Rayzor. They learned long ago you can't debunk wtc 7 with facts so they use controlled opposition alongside sites like metabunk.

Millions of people did see planes hit the towers then the towers collapse. Very astute.

(https://s2.postimg.org/i5428a7u1/images-2.jpg)
I'm not sure millions saw the second plane hit though.  Surely over a million witnessed the collapse but the plane came in over Jersey into the south tower.  I'll bet there were only a few hundred thousand that witnessed that.  My brother say it but he was living in North Jersey but south of the towers.  He had the right view.  There were likely a lot more that weren't in the right position. 

Don't get me wrong.  Hundreds of thousands witnessed the second plane come in over the harbor and impact is still a huge number of eyewitnesses.  But, there were a lot more who witnessed the collapse.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 28, 2017, 02:38:14 AM
I don't argue on the 911 thread because I'm scared.

Yes boots very good. He does it so people like you can point at him and say

"hurr durr heiwa is so stupid therefore the 911 commission report has to be true hurr durr."

He does good work. A more effective asset than Rayzor. They learned long ago you can't debunk wtc 7 with facts so they use controlled opposition alongside sites like metabunk.

Millions of people did see planes hit the towers then the towers collapse. Very astute.

(https://s2.postimg.org/i5428a7u1/images-2.jpg)
I'm not sure millions saw the second plane hit though.  Surely over a million witnessed the collapse but the plane came in over Jersey into the south tower.  I'll bet there were only a few hundred thousand that witnessed that.  My brother say it but he was living in North Jersey but south of the towers.  He had the right view.  There were likely a lot more that weren't in the right position. 

Don't get me wrong.  Hundreds of thousands witnessed the second plane come in over the harbor and impact is still a huge number of eyewitnesses.  But, there were a lot more who witnessed the collapse.

Mike

Pls, be on topic. I am certain that hundreds of thousands of people in New Jersey didn't see any plane. Unfortunately I cannot list them here. It is OT.

But I am curious; how can a weak aluminium plane slice through four horizontal, solid floors behind a wall of strong steel columns ... and just disappear ... and then produce a FIREBALL behind the wall and on four floors ... like in a Hollywood movie?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on August 28, 2017, 03:04:40 AM
More than four beams. They reckon the planes cut pretty well clean through the elevator shafts.

(https://s10.postimg.org/q8ctxdws9/12-19-2012-12-30-31-_PM.png)

And to be fair what we saw did.

(https://s10.postimg.org/vxt2hp2yh/9_11_Second_Plane_Hit_4012.jpg)

To be fair on NIST they do say column 330 got severed by the plane.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 28, 2017, 03:49:14 AM
More than four beams. They reckon the planes cut pretty well clean through the elevator shafts.

(https://s10.postimg.org/q8ctxdws9/12-19-2012-12-30-31-_PM.png)

And to be fair what we saw did.

(https://s10.postimg.org/vxt2hp2yh/9_11_Second_Plane_Hit_4012.jpg)

To be fair on NIST they do say column 330 got severed by the plane.

Not beams! Floors. Horizontal floors 12' apart on top of each other. They are like solid knives, if a plane tries to slice through them. The plane loses.

Actually, the strong floors protect the inner core from any damage by external collisions. The floors act like bumpers on a car.

So that 'nose' coming out of the the other side should have been sliced  2/3 times by the floors.

It is not easy to produce realistic CGI!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on August 28, 2017, 04:19:58 AM
Good points. You do have some.

I agree there's something very suspicious about some of the footage we saw. I'm not gonna say there isn't. I also don't think the planes that hit the towers were the planes we were told. Sometimes a bait and switch is better than outright cgi.

It only had to look a little bit like a commercial plane and it did only look a little bit like a commercial plane.



For the people that saw it, that is. I agree that the planes on TV could have been cgi. However to then go on to call the tower collapse cgi is baseless imo. There's too many witnesses and too much good footage of the towers collapsing from too many sources.

They could have done the demolition with bombs in the elevator shafts next to core columns. Small teams easily handled afterwards. No one likes loose ends. Have you looked into the ownership of the world trade centre and the companies who were using floor space just prior to 9/11? It would be easier to demolish the towers than try and hoodwink a literal city into thinking they collapsed on 09/11/01?

Also why in gods name would they cgi wtc 7 collapsing? Just to f*ck with us? I have issues trusting you on this subject.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on August 28, 2017, 05:23:13 AM


Also why in gods name would they cgi wtc 7 collapsing? Just to f*ck with us? I have issues trusting you on this subject.

All WTC1-6 footage is cgi.

WTC7 collapse footage from far away - top dropping down free fall - was of course of a controlled demolition. Close up of WTC7 rubble were just 47 intact floors on top of each other ... as expected. http://heiwaco.com/nist7.htm
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Pezevenk on August 28, 2017, 05:43:31 AM

The Tsiolkovsky rocket equation is always valid and gives you the integral of the acceleration due to the rocket's engines over the time of the burn, ie the dV.


Well, in a strong gravity field, i.e. where e.g. Earth gravity acts on the rocket, the equation is not valid. During the time the rocket's engines burn, gravity reduces the acceleration, i.e. dV.

And as soon as the rocket force is no longer applied, the speed is continually reduced ... by gravity.

You better consider this when trying to calculate fuel required to go to the Moon or Mars.

You do realize the dV in this context is the integral of the acceleration produced by the force of the engine over the time, and NOT the actual resulting change in velocity, right? How much dV do you have to put into a weight falling in a gravity field accelerating it at 10m/s^2 so that after 1 second it's stopped falling? 10m/s. So if you have an engine that can give you 10m/s of dV in 1 second you're going to be moving at 0m/s after 1 second. If you thrust far from a gravitational field, you're going to be moving at 10m/s in one second. If you fire downwards inside the gravity field, you'll be moving at 20m/s. The dV capacity of the engine is STILL 10m/s. That's what they measure, that's the point of finding the dV capacity of a spaceship. You clearly don't understand the first thing about orbital mechanics, stop pretending you do.

The point of all that is that you can calculate how much dV is required to get you from one orbit to the other VERY easily (you know your current velocity and you know the velocity you want to be going at at that specific point in order to get your apoapsis where you want, so the dV you need is just the difference between these velocities) and then you apply the Tsiolkovsky rocket equation to calculate how much fuel you need for that. It's really really simple.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: markjo on August 28, 2017, 07:20:51 AM

The Tsiolkovsky rocket equation is always valid and gives you the integral of the acceleration due to the rocket's engines over the time of the burn, ie the dV.


Well, in a strong gravity field, i.e. where e.g. Earth gravity acts on the rocket, the equation is not valid. During the time the rocket's engines burn, gravity reduces the acceleration, i.e. dV.

And as soon as the rocket force is no longer applied, the speed is continually reduced ... by gravity.

You better consider this when trying to calculate fuel required to go to the Moon or Mars.
Do you suppose that  Arianespace considered the earth's strong gravitational field when using the Tsiolkovsky rocket equation to calculate the fuel required for geostationary orbit?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on August 28, 2017, 07:58:54 AM
I don't argue on the 911 thread because I'm scared.

Yes boots very good. He does it so people like you can point at him and say

"hurr durr heiwa is so stupid therefore the 911 commission report has to be true hurr durr."

He does good work. A more effective asset than Rayzor. They learned long ago you can't debunk wtc 7 with facts so they use controlled opposition alongside sites like metabunk.

Millions of people did see planes hit the towers then the towers collapse. Very astute.

(https://s2.postimg.org/i5428a7u1/images-2.jpg)
I'm not sure millions saw the second plane hit though.  Surely over a million witnessed the collapse but the plane came in over Jersey into the south tower.  I'll bet there were only a few hundred thousand that witnessed that.  My brother say it but he was living in North Jersey but south of the towers.  He had the right view.  There were likely a lot more that weren't in the right position. 

Don't get me wrong.  Hundreds of thousands witnessed the second plane come in over the harbor and impact is still a huge number of eyewitnesses.  But, there were a lot more who witnessed the collapse.

Mike

Pls, be on topic. I am certain that hundreds of thousands of people in New Jersey didn't see any plane. Unfortunately I cannot list them here. It is OT.

But I am curious; how can a weak aluminium plane slice through four horizontal, solid floors behind a wall of strong steel columns ... and just disappear ... and then produce a FIREBALL behind the wall and on four floors ... like in a Hollywood movie?
We've had this discussion and you don't have a clue what you're talking about.  Not gonna go through it again.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: disputeone on August 28, 2017, 07:20:03 PM
We've had this discussion and you don't have a clue what you're talking about.  Not gonna go through it again.

Wisdom.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 28, 2017, 10:37:58 PM
I don't argue on the 911 thread because I'm scared.

Yes boots very good. He does it so people like you can point at him and say

"hurr durr heiwa is so stupid therefore the 911 commission report has to be true hurr durr."

He does good work. A more effective asset than Rayzor. They learned long ago you can't debunk wtc 7 with facts so they use controlled opposition alongside sites like metabunk.

Millions of people did see planes hit the towers then the towers collapse. Very astute.

(https://s2.postimg.org/i5428a7u1/images-2.jpg)
I'm not sure millions saw the second plane hit though.  Surely over a million witnessed the collapse but the plane came in over Jersey into the south tower.  I'll bet there were only a few hundred thousand that witnessed that.  My brother say it but he was living in North Jersey but south of the towers.  He had the right view.  There were likely a lot more that weren't in the right position. 

Don't get me wrong.  Hundreds of thousands witnessed the second plane come in over the harbor and impact is still a huge number of eyewitnesses.  But, there were a lot more who witnessed the collapse.

Mike

Pls, be on topic. I am certain that hundreds of thousands of people in New Jersey didn't see any plane. Unfortunately I cannot list them here. It is OT.

But I am curious; how can a weak aluminium plane slice through four horizontal, solid floors behind a wall of strong steel columns ... and just disappear ... and then produce a FIREBALL behind the wall and on four floors ... like in a Hollywood movie?
We've had this discussion and you don't have a clue what you're talking about.  Not gonna go through it again.
So you are a believer of the conspiracy theory of planes flying through walls. Pathetic.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on August 29, 2017, 07:02:12 AM
I don't argue on the 911 thread because I'm scared.

Yes boots very good. He does it so people like you can point at him and say

"hurr durr heiwa is so stupid therefore the 911 commission report has to be true hurr durr."

He does good work. A more effective asset than Rayzor. They learned long ago you can't debunk wtc 7 with facts so they use controlled opposition alongside sites like metabunk.

Millions of people did see planes hit the towers then the towers collapse. Very astute.

(https://s2.postimg.org/i5428a7u1/images-2.jpg)
I'm not sure millions saw the second plane hit though.  Surely over a million witnessed the collapse but the plane came in over Jersey into the south tower.  I'll bet there were only a few hundred thousand that witnessed that.  My brother say it but he was living in North Jersey but south of the towers.  He had the right view.  There were likely a lot more that weren't in the right position. 

Don't get me wrong.  Hundreds of thousands witnessed the second plane come in over the harbor and impact is still a huge number of eyewitnesses.  But, there were a lot more who witnessed the collapse.

Mike

Pls, be on topic. I am certain that hundreds of thousands of people in New Jersey didn't see any plane. Unfortunately I cannot list them here. It is OT.

But I am curious; how can a weak aluminium plane slice through four horizontal, solid floors behind a wall of strong steel columns ... and just disappear ... and then produce a FIREBALL behind the wall and on four floors ... like in a Hollywood movie?
We've had this discussion and you don't have a clue what you're talking about.  Not gonna go through it again.
So you are a believer of the conspiracy theory of planes flying through walls. Pathetic.
I don't believe in conspiracy theories. I believe what I prove. You draw conclusions without a shred of evidence and build a whole theory on a lie.  You're the lying, crackpot conspiracy theorist who no clue how to properly do research.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 29, 2017, 08:06:27 AM
I don't argue on the 911 thread because I'm scared.

Yes boots very good. He does it so people like you can point at him and say

"hurr durr heiwa is so stupid therefore the 911 commission report has to be true hurr durr."

He does good work. A more effective asset than Rayzor. They learned long ago you can't debunk wtc 7 with facts so they use controlled opposition alongside sites like metabunk.

Millions of people did see planes hit the towers then the towers collapse. Very astute.

(https://s2.postimg.org/i5428a7u1/images-2.jpg)
I'm not sure millions saw the second plane hit though.  Surely over a million witnessed the collapse but the plane came in over Jersey into the south tower.  I'll bet there were only a few hundred thousand that witnessed that.  My brother say it but he was living in North Jersey but south of the towers.  He had the right view.  There were likely a lot more that weren't in the right position. 

Don't get me wrong.  Hundreds of thousands witnessed the second plane come in over the harbor and impact is still a huge number of eyewitnesses.  But, there were a lot more who witnessed the collapse.

Mike

Pls, be on topic. I am certain that hundreds of thousands of people in New Jersey didn't see any plane. Unfortunately I cannot list them here. It is OT.

But I am curious; how can a weak aluminium plane slice through four horizontal, solid floors behind a wall of strong steel columns ... and just disappear ... and then produce a FIREBALL behind the wall and on four floors ... like in a Hollywood movie?
We've had this discussion and you don't have a clue what you're talking about.  Not gonna go through it again.
So you are a believer of the conspiracy theory of planes flying through walls. Pathetic.
I don't believe in conspiracy theories. I believe what I prove. You draw conclusions without a shred of evidence and build a whole theory on a lie.  You're the lying, crackpot conspiracy theorist who no clue how to properly do research.

Mike

But Mike, Arabs flying through walls of steel columns supported by solid floors 12' apart is a conspiracy theory invented by GWB and Condoleezza. Only twerps believe in it. There is no evidence that any Arabs flew any planes through such walls on 911.

I draw my conclusions based on scientific and physical facts and present them under my own name at my web site http://heiwaco.com .

Of course I have been insulted by many governments and their experts in the media but none have managed to show I am wrong.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on August 29, 2017, 08:18:28 AM
I don't argue on the 911 thread because I'm scared.

Yes boots very good. He does it so people like you can point at him and say

"hurr durr heiwa is so stupid therefore the 911 commission report has to be true hurr durr."

He does good work. A more effective asset than Rayzor. They learned long ago you can't debunk wtc 7 with facts so they use controlled opposition alongside sites like metabunk.

Millions of people did see planes hit the towers then the towers collapse. Very astute.

(https://s2.postimg.org/i5428a7u1/images-2.jpg)
I'm not sure millions saw the second plane hit though.  Surely over a million witnessed the collapse but the plane came in over Jersey into the south tower.  I'll bet there were only a few hundred thousand that witnessed that.  My brother say it but he was living in North Jersey but south of the towers.  He had the right view.  There were likely a lot more that weren't in the right position. 

Don't get me wrong.  Hundreds of thousands witnessed the second plane come in over the harbor and impact is still a huge number of eyewitnesses.  But, there were a lot more who witnessed the collapse.

Mike

Pls, be on topic. I am certain that hundreds of thousands of people in New Jersey didn't see any plane. Unfortunately I cannot list them here. It is OT.

But I am curious; how can a weak aluminium plane slice through four horizontal, solid floors behind a wall of strong steel columns ... and just disappear ... and then produce a FIREBALL behind the wall and on four floors ... like in a Hollywood movie?
We've had this discussion and you don't have a clue what you're talking about.  Not gonna go through it again.
So you are a believer of the conspiracy theory of planes flying through walls. Pathetic.
I don't believe in conspiracy theories. I believe what I prove. You draw conclusions without a shred of evidence and build a whole theory on a lie.  You're the lying, crackpot conspiracy theorist who no clue how to properly do research.

Mike

But Mike, Arabs flying through walls of steel columns supported by solid floors 12' apart is a conspiracy theory invented by GWB and Condoleezza. Only twerps believe in it. There is no evidence that any Arabs flew any planes through such walls on 911.

I draw my conclusions based on scientific and physical facts and present them under my own name at my web site http://heiwaco.com .

Of course I have been insulted by many governments and their experts in the media but none have managed to show I am wrong.
But nothing.  Quit linking to your stupid site.  You're wrong, you're a liar, and you did shoddy research.  Plain and simple.  Who was flying them or what kind of planes they were is completely irrelevant.  They existed, everyone knows it and you refused to actually research it.  That makes your analysis a piece of shit and you crackpot conspiracy theory doesn't hold water. 

Mike   

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on August 29, 2017, 08:33:29 AM
But Mike, Arabs flying through walls of steel columns supported by solid floors 12' apart...
Hmmm...  I thought that the steel columns supported the solid floors, not the other way around.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on August 29, 2017, 08:54:09 AM
But Mike, Arabs flying through walls of steel columns supported by solid floors 12' apart...
Hmmm...  I thought that the steel columns supported the solid floors, not the other way around.
You are correct.  The floors were poured concrete of a steel deck on a truss system.  The flooring system were designed to support themselves and their associated live loads.  The did provide lateral support for the exterior columns for wind loading and buckling.  Once the flooring gives way there is nothing to prevent buckling of the exterior columns.

However, I don't believe the flooring provided any support for the interior column structure.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 29, 2017, 10:29:41 AM
But Mike, Arabs flying through walls of steel columns supported by solid floors 12' apart...
Hmmm...  I thought that the steel columns supported the solid floors, not the other way around.
No, they supported each other in different ways. You are right. Thanks for not asking a stupid twerp question, as usual.

The floors in any building are there for people to walk and put furniture on. The walls are there to protect the people from outside wind and weather and for the people to put pictures on.

Where do you live? In a cave?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 29, 2017, 10:37:28 AM
But Mike, Arabs flying through walls of steel columns supported by solid floors 12' apart...
Hmmm...  I thought that the steel columns supported the solid floors, not the other way around.
You are correct.  The floors were poured concrete of a steel deck on a truss system.  The flooring system were designed to support themselves and their associated live loads.  The did provide lateral support for the exterior columns for wind loading and buckling.  Once the flooring gives way there is nothing to prevent buckling of the exterior columns.

However, I don't believe the flooring provided any support for the interior column structure.

Mike

You are right! The interior column structure - the core structure - was like a self-supporting internal Eiffel tower. All the floors were connected to it. The external walls were then just a big cage to connect floors to and to put windows in. The floorings of course supported the cage. What else could support a 400x60x60 m bird cage?

I describe it at http://heiwaco.com/nist.htm .

Hopefully you will appreciate it. My objective is simply to turn twerps into intelligent, human beings.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on August 29, 2017, 10:38:25 AM
But Mike, Arabs flying through walls of steel columns supported by solid floors 12' apart...
Hmmm...  I thought that the steel columns supported the solid floors, not the other way around.
No, they supported each other in different ways. You are right. Thanks for not asking a stupid twerp question, as usual.

The floors in any building are there for people to walk and put furniture on. The walls are there to protect the people from outside wind and weather and for the people to put pictures on.

Where do you live? In a cave?
I live in a house where the walls keep the upstairs floors from becoming downstairs floors.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on August 29, 2017, 10:47:12 AM
But Mike, Arabs flying through walls of steel columns supported by solid floors 12' apart...
Hmmm...  I thought that the steel columns supported the solid floors, not the other way around.
You are correct.  The floors were poured concrete of a steel deck on a truss system.  The flooring system were designed to support themselves and their associated live loads.  The did provide lateral support for the exterior columns for wind loading and buckling.  Once the flooring gives way there is nothing to prevent buckling of the exterior columns.

However, I don't believe the flooring provided any support for the interior column structure.

Mike

You are right! The interior column structure - the core structure - was like a self-supporting internal Eiffel tower. All the floors were connected to it. The external walls were then just a big cage to connect floors to and to put windows in. The floorings of course supported the cage. What else could support a 400x60x60 m bird cage?

I describe it at http://heiwaco.com/nist.htm .

Hopefully you will appreciate it. My objective is simply to turn twerps into intelligent, human beings.
You would have to be intelligent first.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on August 29, 2017, 10:53:22 AM
I live in a house where the walls keep the upstairs floors from becoming downstairs floors.

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 29, 2017, 10:58:24 AM
But Mike, Arabs flying through walls of steel columns supported by solid floors 12' apart...
Hmmm...  I thought that the steel columns supported the solid floors, not the other way around.
No, they supported each other in different ways. You are right. Thanks for not asking a stupid twerp question, as usual.

The floors in any building are there for people to walk and put furniture on. The walls are there to protect the people from outside wind and weather and for the people to put pictures on.

Where do you live? In a cave?
I live in a house where the walls keep the upstairs floors from becoming downstairs floors.

Thanks for this intelligent post. So what keeps your walls standing keeping your floors moving around? Are you certain you don't live in a cage, a rat hole or a pigeon's nest? Don't you have a roof?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 29, 2017, 11:09:23 AM
But Mike, Arabs flying through walls of steel columns supported by solid floors 12' apart...
Hmmm...  I thought that the steel columns supported the solid floors, not the other way around.
You are correct.  The floors were poured concrete of a steel deck on a truss system.  The flooring system were designed to support themselves and their associated live loads.  The did provide lateral support for the exterior columns for wind loading and buckling.  Once the flooring gives way there is nothing to prevent buckling of the exterior columns.

However, I don't believe the flooring provided any support for the interior column structure.

Mike

You are right! The interior column structure - the core structure - was like a self-supporting internal Eiffel tower. All the floors were connected to it. The external walls were then just a big cage to connect floors to and to put windows in. The floorings of course supported the cage. What else could support a 400x60x60 m bird cage?

I describe it at http://heiwaco.com/nist.htm .

Hopefully you will appreciate it. My objective is simply to turn twerps into intelligent, human beings.
You would have to be intelligent first.

Mike

But I am. 1964 I was forced to be tested two days by the Swedish Armed Forces selection clowns as a law abiding juvenile for selection of national service armed duty. http://heiwaco.com/cv.htm .  There were these IQ tests where I scored 200+ and then interviews.
They asked: What post in the Forces do you want? Digging holes in the ground to sleep in in the rain 365/365 or having a 1st Class ***** suite in HQ?
With an IQ 200+ I didn't reply to such a stupid question but told them what I wanted. And I got it. And there we are today.
I am a winner.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 29, 2017, 11:20:00 AM

There were these IQ tests where I scored 200+ and then interviews.



Factor in the exchange rate - that's about an 86.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on August 29, 2017, 11:30:52 AM
<snip>
There were these IQ tests where I scored 200+ and then interviews.
<snip>
I am a winner.
Nope.  I'm not buying it.

What that before or after you cured yourself of your severe brain injury?

Yes, I have heard about OJ Simpson. But he is not the topic here.

Re me I am a nice, rich, good looking, intelligent, warm, social person. Of course I got brain damaged, when I was small - navy, sea mines, taught to kill people - but I cured myself.  http://heiwaco.com/vk12.htm .
You cured yourself of brain damage?

Yes! And I explain how at http://heiwaco.com/vk12.htm .

It took plenty time because I was very badly brain damaged up until, say 1988. Then it took another 15 years to heel myself.

I think I am fairly well cured today. But it took a lot of time.
You were brain damaged when you were small..up until say 1988 and then it took another 15 years to heel yourself.

Help me out here.  You were very badly brain damaged from when you were small until you were about age 57...do I have this right?

You were able to heal yourself after all that time?

Mike


Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on August 29, 2017, 12:40:06 PM

There were these IQ tests where I scored 200+ and then interviews.



Factor in the exchange rate - that's about an 86.

Best post of the week. Have a virtual medal.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on August 29, 2017, 12:46:00 PM
There were these IQ tests where I scored 200+ and then interviews.

Tell me what (7+sqrt50)^(1/3)+(7-sqrt50)^(1/3) equals to, exactly, without using a calculator and explaining exactly how you found it.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 29, 2017, 01:05:17 PM
More like . . .


Heiwa, see the tennis ball on the table in front of you?  Pick it up.

"GOOD BOY !!!"
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 29, 2017, 01:10:24 PM
Here's one . . .


Count the fingers on your right hand three times.

How many fingers do you have?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Pezevenk on August 29, 2017, 02:28:01 PM
Here's one . . .


Count the fingers on your right hand three times.

How many fingers do you have?

I see what you did there!

(I bet 7+sqrt50)^(1/3)+(7-sqrt50)^(1/3) euros Heiwa will get it wrong)
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 29, 2017, 02:46:46 PM
More than four beams. They reckon the planes cut pretty well clean through the elevator shafts.

(https://s10.postimg.org/q8ctxdws9/12-19-2012-12-30-31-_PM.png)

And to be fair what we saw did.

(https://s10.postimg.org/vxt2hp2yh/9_11_Second_Plane_Hit_4012.jpg)

To be fair on NIST they do say column 330 got severed by the plane.
The yield stress of structural aluminum is 55ksi and A36 steel is 36ksi...or 51ksi depending on the grade.  Despite what Heiwa says the main body and the largest part of the wings could easily penetrate the columns.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 29, 2017, 02:59:07 PM
Little Mary has a baseball, John has a basket ball and a golf ball,
Billy has a soccer ball, a football and a beach ball.

Which one is most likely to tell the teacher to fuck off?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Pezevenk on August 29, 2017, 03:12:40 PM
Little Mary has a baseball, John has a basket ball and a golf ball,
Billy has a soccer ball, a football and a beach ball.

Which one is most likely to tell the teacher to fuck off?

 ??? Am I missing something only americans can understand?

This is either really smart or really dumb.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 29, 2017, 03:39:53 PM
Little Mary has a baseball, John has a basket ball and a golf ball,
Billy has a soccer ball, a football and a beach ball.

Which one is most likely to tell the teacher to fuck off?

 ??? Am I missing something only americans can understand?

This is either really smart or really dumb.
Come on. It's obviously Billy. He's taking everybody's balls 'cause homie don't play dat!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 29, 2017, 04:18:27 PM
(http://heiwaco.com/WTCNW.jpg)

It seems that the brave Arab pilot tried to land on floor #93 and forgot that floors #94, 95, 96 and 97 were in the way slicing him horizontally four times producing a fire ball while braking. Luckily the windows in adjacent walls of the building were intact preventing the fire ball to hurt birds flying around.
The picture is copied from 9 11 $ bills.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 29, 2017, 05:44:07 PM
Little Mary has a baseball, John has a basket ball and a golf ball,
Billy has a soccer ball, a football and a beach ball.

Which one is most likely to tell the teacher to fuck off?

 ??? Am I missing something only americans can understand?

This is either really smart or really dumb.
Come on. It's obviously Billy. He's talking everybody's balls 'cause homie don't play dat!


Yep, Billy's got a lot of balls.  ;D
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on August 29, 2017, 07:41:50 PM
Predicted and actual sway off the towers under lateral wind loads compared to the actual sway of the towers as the planes hit.

I am just posting this to remind myself to do some proper research. I haven't seen it tackled from this angle. Surely we could calculate how far we expect the towers to sway as the plane hit using simple newtonian equations.

I'll post more on this later. I had an epiphany while on the toilet.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 30, 2017, 02:15:42 AM
Predicted and actual sway off the towers under lateral wind loads compared to the actual sway of the towers as the planes hit.

I am just posting this to remind myself to do some proper research. I haven't seen it tackled from this angle. Surely we could calculate how far we expect the towers to sway as the plane hit using simple newtonian equations.

I'll post more on this later. I had an epiphany while on the toilet.
My mom took a class in the WTC once.  I think it was the 86th floor.  She said she could feel it sway.  Her instructor scared her when he said they didn't have to worry until their books slid off their desks.  He was kidding of course but according to the people I know who've been in really tall buildings you can feel it.  The latest tall buildings have dampers to minimize sway which can be feet.

I've heard these days you can measure it with some smart phone compass/altitude/inclinometer apps.

Through Google it seems WTC swayed up to three feet at the top floor.  I remember reading somewhere that the south tower not only swayed but the eccentric loading caused it to twist.  I wonder if you insert some reference lines on one of the closer videos if you can see this.  There are a bunch of videos on youtube that were released under an FOI request from NIST.  It's all the video subpoenaed for the investigation.  They're the raw video and not what someone recorded off TV or the internet.

We should be able to determine how much it should sway.  We'd need to calculate a relative stiffness of the tower...although that data probably exists.  They would have needed it to calculate the the moments and deflections under wind loading.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 30, 2017, 03:22:31 AM
(http://heiwaco.com/wtc1hole.jpg)

It is interesting to note that, when Arabs land in skyscrapers, they fly in straight and horizontally but in the last moment they flip up the right wing 30° as seen above and on other photos. Mr Atta Muhammed Ali aimed to land on floor #94 but got excited, rolled so right wing cut floors #95, 96 and 97, etc, etc.

Some people suggest that the photo is real but - no plane - that the hole was blown open from inside. How an Arab like Mr. Atta could stop and blow the hole from inside is beyond me.

As you can see on the photo, a roaring fire was burning inside, steel melted, people were jumping from the windows, etc, etc, until suddenly the complete top above floor #94 ... disappeared.

Millions of eyewitnesses observed that the complete top just ... disappeared.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Pezevenk on August 30, 2017, 04:33:17 AM
Little Mary has a baseball, John has a basket ball and a golf ball,
Billy has a soccer ball, a football and a beach ball.

Which one is most likely to tell the teacher to fuck off?

 ??? Am I missing something only americans can understand?

This is either really smart or really dumb.
Come on. It's obviously Billy. He's talking everybody's balls 'cause homie don't play dat!


Yep, Billy's got a lot of balls.  ;D

Oh. It's a pun. Meh.  I was let down.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Pezevenk on August 30, 2017, 04:36:12 AM
Predicted and actual sway off the towers under lateral wind loads compared to the actual sway of the towers as the planes hit.

I am just posting this to remind myself to do some proper research. I haven't seen it tackled from this angle. Surely we could calculate how far we expect the towers to sway as the plane hit using simple newtonian equations.

I'll post more on this later. I had an epiphany while on the toilet.
 

Plz do that on the 9/11 thread.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Pezevenk on August 30, 2017, 04:39:33 AM
Heiwa, the question is still up, how much is (7+sqrt50)^(1/3)+(7-sqrt50)^(1/3)?

Damn, the Dunning-Krueger effect here is stronger than with Intikam and his   ::) IQ of 180  ::).
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 30, 2017, 05:40:56 AM
Heiwa, the question is still up, how much is (7+sqrt50)^(1/3)+(7-sqrt50)^(1/3)?

Damn, the Dunning-Krueger effect here is stronger than with Intikam and his   ::) IQ of 180  ::).

Can you repeat the question and explain why the answer is of interest. Thanks!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on August 30, 2017, 05:49:35 AM
Heiwa, the question is still up, how much is (7+sqrt50)^(1/3)+(7-sqrt50)^(1/3)?

Damn, the Dunning-Krueger effect here is stronger than with Intikam and his   ::) IQ of 180  ::).

Can you repeat the question and explain why the answer is of interest. Thanks!
Did you realize the question is in the post thou quoted?

Dear God!  Pay attention already.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on August 30, 2017, 05:51:44 AM
Heiwa, the question is still up, how much is (7+sqrt50)^(1/3)+(7-sqrt50)^(1/3)?

Damn, the Dunning-Krueger effect here is stronger than with Intikam and his   ::) IQ of 180  ::).

Can you repeat the question and explain why the answer is of interest. Thanks!

The question was how much (7+sqrt50)^(1/3)+(7-sqrt50)^(1/3) equals to, to find it without using a calculator and to explain exactly what you did to find the answer. The answer is of interest because you claimed your IQ is higher than 200, so finding it would be really easy for you given that my IQ is definitely WAYYY below 200 and I found it without writing anything down. However if you're as intelligent as I think you are, you're probably not going to find it at all.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 30, 2017, 05:56:13 AM
Heiwa, the question is still up,Damn, the Dunning-Krueger effect here is stronger than with Intikam and his   ::) IQ of 180  ::).

Can you repeat the question and explain why the answer is of interest. Thanks!
how much is (7+sqrt50)^(1/3)+(7-sqrt50)^(1/3)?


Did you realize the question is in the post thou quoted?

Dear God!  Pay attention already.

The question was how much is (7+sqrt50)^(1/3)+(7-sqrt50)^(1/3)?

It doesn't make any sense ... (7 + sqrt ...) . What is 7 + sqrt? And the rest?

When I was tested for military service 1964 no such questions were asked and I scored >200. Maybe the question is a communist trap? Are you a communist?



Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on August 30, 2017, 06:04:10 AM
Heiwa, the question is still up,Damn, the Dunning-Krueger effect here is stronger than with Intikam and his   ::) IQ of 180  ::).

Can you repeat the question and explain why the answer is of interest. Thanks!
how much is (7+sqrt50)^(1/3)+(7-sqrt50)^(1/3)?


Did you realize the question is in the post thou quoted?

Dear God!  Pay attention already.

The question was how much is (7+sqrt50)^(1/3)+(7-sqrt50)^(1/3)?

It doesn't make any sense ... (7 + sqrt ...) . What is 7 + sqrt? And the rest?


Sqrt is the square root. ^ is the symbol of raising something to a power. Raising something to the 1/3rd power is equivalent to getting its cube root. So I'm asking you what the cube root of (7+sqrt50) plus the cube root of (7-sqrt50) equals to.

Quote
When I was tested for military service 1964 no such questions were asked and I scored >200. Maybe the question is a communist trap? Are you a communist?

These weird ass posts you make are why I love you  ;D ;D ;D

I'm not trying to trap you, it's a question that should be easy for people with such a high intelligence. As long as you know a couple of things about polynomials and long division of polynomials you should be able to solve it easily if your IQ is above 200. High school level math.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: frenat on August 30, 2017, 06:13:04 AM
In Heiwa's case they gave him a number that he didn't think sounded right so he thought it was in Celsius and he then converted to Fahrenheit and that is how he ended up with 200.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 30, 2017, 06:59:07 AM
Heiwa, the question is still up,Damn, the Dunning-Krueger effect here is stronger than with Intikam and his   ::) IQ of 180  ::).

Can you repeat the question and explain why the answer is of interest. Thanks!
how much is (7+sqrt50)^(1/3)+(7-sqrt50)^(1/3)?


Did you realize the question is in the post thou quoted?

Dear God!  Pay attention already.

The question was how much is (7+sqrt50)^(1/3)+(7-sqrt50)^(1/3)?

It doesn't make any sense ... (7 + sqrt ...) . What is 7 + sqrt? And the rest?


Sqrt is the square root. ^ is the symbol of raising something to a power. Raising something to the 1/3rd power is equivalent to getting its cube root. So I'm asking you what the cube root of (7+sqrt50) plus the cube root of (7-sqrt50) equals to.


But what is 7 + sqrt?

And sqrt50? Why not replace it by a?

So what is cube root (7 + a) + cube root (7 - a)? Well if a is 1 (and not sqrt50) it is 2 + cube root 6. A positive number.

Why do you change topîc asking stupid twerp questions? You sound like a communist!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on August 30, 2017, 07:06:34 AM
Heiwa, the question is still up,Damn, the Dunning-Krueger effect here is stronger than with Intikam and his   ::) IQ of 180  ::).

Can you repeat the question and explain why the answer is of interest. Thanks!
how much is (7+sqrt50)^(1/3)+(7-sqrt50)^(1/3)?


Did you realize the question is in the post thou quoted?

Dear God!  Pay attention already.

The question was how much is (7+sqrt50)^(1/3)+(7-sqrt50)^(1/3)?

It doesn't make any sense ... (7 + sqrt ...) . What is 7 + sqrt? And the rest?


Sqrt is the square root. ^ is the symbol of raising something to a power. Raising something to the 1/3rd power is equivalent to getting its cube root. So I'm asking you what the cube root of (7+sqrt50) plus the cube root of (7-sqrt50) equals to.


But what is 7 + sqrt?

And sqrt50? Why not replace it by a?

So what is cube root (7 + a) + cube root (7 - a)? Well if a is 1 (and not sqrt50) it is 2 + cube root 6. A positive number.

Why do you change topîc asking stupid twerp questions? You sound like a communist!
It seems like someone with an IQ over 200 shouldn't have so much trouble figuring this out.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on August 30, 2017, 07:17:46 AM
I don't think Heiwa knows what a square root is. lol

20.0 can look a lot like 200 when your eyesight is getting worse.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Pezevenk on August 30, 2017, 08:07:38 AM
I don't think Heiwa knows what a square root is. lol

20.0 can look a lot like 200 when your eyesight is getting worse.

Ok, I'll help him out.

Heiwa, the square root of a number is the positive number that will give you your original number if you mulitply it by itself. For example, the square root of 9 is 3, because 3 times 3 is 9.

The cube root of a number is the number you have to mulitply by itself 3 times (number times number times number) to give you the original number. For example, the cube root of 8 is 2.

The + (plus) sign means addition. You have to add the numbers. For example, if you hold up 3 fingers on one hand and 2 on the other, how many fingers are you holding up? The answer is 2+3, which is 5.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 30, 2017, 08:59:40 AM
but 7 + sqrt ?

This thread was quite interesting until the subject was changed and the anonymous twerps moved in suggesting that you can fly planes through horizontal concrete floors in a skyscraper, or that the plane plows through the floors as if the floors were snow.

Any farmer knows you cannot plow a potato field with a plane. The 4th 911 plane did it ... and disappeared completely among the potatoes ... and was never found again. Don't laugh! GWB and Condoleezza say so and if you don't agree you are a terrorist.

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on August 30, 2017, 10:59:32 AM
but 7 + sqrt ?

Yes, 7+sqrt50. 7+sqrt4 would be 9, because the square root of 4 is 2, so 7+sqrt4=9, and 7-sqrt4=5. What are you finding so hard? Surely someone with an IQ of 200 or more would have figured this much out long ago. So now that I've clarified everything, I repeat the question,

Tell us what does (7+sqrt50)^(1/3)+(7-sqrt50)^(1/3) equal to, exactly, without using a calculator, and explaining how you found it.

The subject is now your complete ignorance of high school level maths and you lying about your IQ. If it really was that high you'd have found the answer LOOONG ago, and yet you still haven't understood the question.

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 30, 2017, 11:26:52 AM
but 7 + sqrt ?

Yes, 7+sqrt50. 7+sqrt4 would be 9, because the square root of 4 is 2, so 7+sqrt4=9, and 7-sqrt4=5. What are you finding so hard? Surely someone with an IQ of 200 or more would have figured this much out long ago. So now that I've clarified everything, I repeat the question,

Tell us what does (7+sqrt50)^(1/3)+(7-sqrt50)^(1/3) equal to, exactly, without using a calculator, and explaining how you found it.

The subject is now your complete ignorance of high school level maths and you lying about your IQ. If it really was that high you'd have found the answer LOOONG ago, and yet you still haven't understood the question.

Good, but topic was and is orbital mechanics - see post #1 - and how to get to the Moon! Any ideas? Please, do not copy/paste the NASA nonsense.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on August 30, 2017, 11:29:28 AM
but 7 + sqrt ?

Yes, 7+sqrt50. 7+sqrt4 would be 9, because the square root of 4 is 2, so 7+sqrt4=9, and 7-sqrt4=5. What are you finding so hard? Surely someone with an IQ of 200 or more would have figured this much out long ago. So now that I've clarified everything, I repeat the question,

Tell us what does (7+sqrt50)^(1/3)+(7-sqrt50)^(1/3) equal to, exactly, without using a calculator, and explaining how you found it.

The subject is now your complete ignorance of high school level maths and you lying about your IQ. If it really was that high you'd have found the answer LOOONG ago, and yet you still haven't understood the question.

Good, but topic was and is orbital mechanics - see post #1 - and how to get to the Moon! Any ideas? Please, do not copy/paste the NASA nonsense.

No it's not. The topic changed ages ago. Now it's your lack of understanding of everything and your obsession with poop.

You lied about your IQ. You failing to answer the question proves you did.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on August 30, 2017, 01:17:45 PM
Answer the question or admit you're not that bright. You claim to be an engineer for crying out loud! Phd.  going on grade 10?

SMH!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Pezevenk on August 30, 2017, 01:23:52 PM
Answer the question or admit you're not that bright. You claim to be an engineer for crying out loud! Phd.  going on grade 10?

SMH!

He has to understand the question first. Which seems to be very hard for him to do.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 30, 2017, 03:50:50 PM
but 7 + sqrt ?

Yes, 7+sqrt50. 7+sqrt4 would be 9, because the square root of 4 is 2, so 7+sqrt4=9, and 7-sqrt4=5. What are you finding so hard? Surely someone with an IQ of 200 or more would have figured this much out long ago. So now that I've clarified everything, I repeat the question,

Tell us what does (7+sqrt50)^(1/3)+(7-sqrt50)^(1/3) equal to, exactly, without using a calculator, and explaining how you found it.

The subject is now your complete ignorance of high school level maths and you lying about your IQ. If it really was that high you'd have found the answer LOOONG ago, and yet you still haven't understood the question.

Good, but topic was and is orbital mechanics - see post #1 - and how to get to the Moon! Any ideas? Please, do not copy/paste the NASA nonsense.

No it's not. The topic changed ages ago. Now it's your lack of understanding of everything and your obsession with poop.

You lied about your IQ. You failing to answer the question proves you did.

Hm, I happened to know the person that IQ tested us 1964 so I had seen the test beforehand. It surely helps. You sound like a boring twerp.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on August 30, 2017, 03:54:00 PM
Hm, I happened to know the person that IQ tested us 1964 so I had seen the test beforehand. It surely helps. You sound like a boring twerp.
In other words, you cheated and your IQ really isn't more than 200.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on August 30, 2017, 03:54:39 PM
Heiwa's IQ is........OVER 9000!!!!!!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on August 30, 2017, 04:12:50 PM
but 7 + sqrt ?

Yes, 7+sqrt50. 7+sqrt4 would be 9, because the square root of 4 is 2, so 7+sqrt4=9, and 7-sqrt4=5. What are you finding so hard? Surely someone with an IQ of 200 or more would have figured this much out long ago. So now that I've clarified everything, I repeat the question,

Tell us what does (7+sqrt50)^(1/3)+(7-sqrt50)^(1/3) equal to, exactly, without using a calculator, and explaining how you found it.

The subject is now your complete ignorance of high school level maths and you lying about your IQ. If it really was that high you'd have found the answer LOOONG ago, and yet you still haven't understood the question.

Good, but topic was and is orbital mechanics - see post #1 - and how to get to the Moon! Any ideas? Please, do not copy/paste the NASA nonsense.

No it's not. The topic changed ages ago. Now it's your lack of understanding of everything and your obsession with poop.

You lied about your IQ. You failing to answer the question proves you did.

Hm, I happened to know the person that IQ tested us 1964 so I had seen the test beforehand. It surely helps. You sound like a boring twerp.
And, the truth comes out.  You lied about your IQ and then a lie to back out of the first lie.

What is 1+1

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on August 30, 2017, 04:21:18 PM
but 7 + sqrt ?

Yes, 7+sqrt50. 7+sqrt4 would be 9, because the square root of 4 is 2, so 7+sqrt4=9, and 7-sqrt4=5. What are you finding so hard? Surely someone with an IQ of 200 or more would have figured this much out long ago. So now that I've clarified everything, I repeat the question,

Tell us what does (7+sqrt50)^(1/3)+(7-sqrt50)^(1/3) equal to, exactly, without using a calculator, and explaining how you found it.

The subject is now your complete ignorance of high school level maths and you lying about your IQ. If it really was that high you'd have found the answer LOOONG ago, and yet you still haven't understood the question.

Good, but topic was and is orbital mechanics - see post #1 - and how to get to the Moon! Any ideas? Please, do not copy/paste the NASA nonsense.

No it's not. The topic changed ages ago. Now it's your lack of understanding of everything and your obsession with poop.

You lied about your IQ. You failing to answer the question proves you did.

Hm, I happened to know the person that IQ tested us 1964 so I had seen the test beforehand. It surely helps. You sound like a boring twerp.

You sound like a liar  ;D

So you admit it really wasn't as high as you claimed, right? Wait, wasn't that before you "healed" yourself of brain damage?  ;D
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on August 30, 2017, 05:25:09 PM
Predicted and actual sway off the towers under lateral wind loads compared to the actual sway of the towers as the planes hit.

I am just posting this to remind myself to do some proper research. I haven't seen it tackled from this angle. Surely we could calculate how far we expect the towers to sway as the plane hit using simple newtonian equations.

I'll post more on this later. I had an epiphany while on the toilet.
My mom took a class in the WTC once.  I think it was the 86th floor.  She said she could feel it sway.  Her instructor scared her when he said they didn't have to worry until their books slid off their desks.  He was kidding of course but according to the people I know who've been in really tall buildings you can feel it.  The latest tall buildings have dampers to minimize sway which can be feet.

I've heard these days you can measure it with some smart phone compass/altitude/inclinometer apps.

Through Google it seems WTC swayed up to three feet at the top floor.  I remember reading somewhere that the south tower not only swayed but the eccentric loading caused it to twist.  I wonder if you insert some reference lines on one of the closer videos if you can see this.  There are a bunch of videos on youtube that were released under an FOI request from NIST.  It's all the video subpoenaed for the investigation.  They're the raw video and not what someone recorded off TV or the internet.

We should be able to determine how much it should sway.  We'd need to calculate a relative stiffness of the tower...although that data probably exists.  They would have needed it to calculate the the moments and deflections under wind loading.

Mike

Youre bright as man. I might make a project of it on the weekend. Surely we could prove with the video evidence if something did hit the towers. You talk like an engineer.

I know sway is usually an issue for elevator runs.

If any more mathematically inclined posters want to help it would be cool.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on August 30, 2017, 06:24:40 PM
Seems like there was an impact which fits with my views, something hit the towers. Probably aircraft of some sort.



Not totally satisfied yet it's hard to measure the sway.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 30, 2017, 06:32:29 PM
Predicted and actual sway off the towers under lateral wind loads compared to the actual sway of the towers as the planes hit.

I am just posting this to remind myself to do some proper research. I haven't seen it tackled from this angle. Surely we could calculate how far we expect the towers to sway as the plane hit using simple newtonian equations.

I'll post more on this later. I had an epiphany while on the toilet.
My mom took a class in the WTC once.  I think it was the 86th floor.  She said she could feel it sway.  Her instructor scared her when he said they didn't have to worry until their books slid off their desks.  He was kidding of course but according to the people I know who've been in really tall buildings you can feel it.  The latest tall buildings have dampers to minimize sway which can be feet.

I've heard these days you can measure it with some smart phone compass/altitude/inclinometer apps.

Through Google it seems WTC swayed up to three feet at the top floor.  I remember reading somewhere that the south tower not only swayed but the eccentric loading caused it to twist.  I wonder if you insert some reference lines on one of the closer videos if you can see this.  There are a bunch of videos on youtube that were released under an FOI request from NIST.  It's all the video subpoenaed for the investigation.  They're the raw video and not what someone recorded off TV or the internet.

We should be able to determine how much it should sway.  We'd need to calculate a relative stiffness of the tower...although that data probably exists.  They would have needed it to calculate the the moments and deflections under wind loading.

Mike

Youre bright as man. I might make a project of it on the weekend. Surely we could prove with the video evidence if something did hit the towers. You talk like an engineer.

I know sway is usually an issue for elevator runs.

If any more mathematically inclined posters want to help it would be cool.
I am an engineer.  I do stress analysis for systems and structures on submarines. If I can get some design specs I can run the numbers.

The mass, velocity, material properties for the planes, assuming 767s, are easy.  The towers were constructed with thicker high yield strength at the base and gradually thinning and using lower strength as you go up.  I believe it ranges from 4 inches thick at the base to about 1/2 inch thick at the the area of impact.  Somewhere there has to be the structural stiffness calculations for the tower as a whole.  Without that you'd have to make a lot of assumptions.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on August 30, 2017, 06:36:53 PM
Picked it. I can tell when someone knows their shit. (Usually)

The shop drawings for wtc 1 and 2 are public information, same as wtc 7. It would be difficult but we could calculate the towers overall stiffness.

Edit. Your problem with Heiwa makes much more sense now.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on August 31, 2017, 05:18:38 PM
Picked it. I can tell when someone knows their shit. (Usually)

The shop drawings for wtc 1 and 2 are public information, same as wtc 7. It would be difficult but we could calculate the towers overall stiffness.

Edit. Your problem with Heiwa makes much more sense now.
Nothing special.  Just an average guy.

BTW, my biggest problem with schmuck-boy is calling me, my family, and my friends liars...and calling me a terrorist.

The fact he gives engineers a bad name doesn't help either.

I have noticed that since the whole IQ/brain damage thing he hasn't returned.  I think he realized he stepped in it and doesn't know how to back out. ;D

Mike 
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on August 31, 2017, 05:47:12 PM
Sad!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on August 31, 2017, 10:36:32 PM
I have prepared a Power Point Presentation (you have to open it with Microsoft PowerPoint) at http://heiwaco.com/Wtc1SeriesNW.ppt from footage shown "live on TV" how the WTC1 (North Tower) roof (above floor #110) and the smoke (!) of the rigid and intact top part C drops six floors to floor #104, while at same time nothing happens to the structure below floor #92 down to ground, i.e. bottom part A.

Remember that an Arab landed a plane on floor #93 and forgot about floors #94, 95 and 96 slicing it horizontally and that it was followed by a big FIRE BALL!

You can click the 'collapse' and compression of top C up/down/up/down to verify the fakery!

Fake smoke on top of the roof drops (!) six floors, while more smoke is added to simulate ejection of smoke of the top six floors being compressed. Imagine that smoke (!) drops like a stone. It is not easy to create smoke and make trickfilms!

Officially the complete top part C remained rigid and intact and crushed the intact bottom structure A as a hammer hitting a nail. Here the roof drops into the top C (hammer) that is compressed and nothing happens below floor #92 (nail A).

Actually the footage is simple Computer Generated Images done by the terrorists to impress the president, CIA, FBI and other stupid observers. The windows of the top wall of the tower just below the roof are not correct, either.

Later, when complete top part C has disappeared, bottom part A becomes a fountain of smoke and dust ejected upwards/sideways while A becomes smaller and also disappears.

Only lying twerps like GWB and Condoleezza believe the above is reality! But they are not very intelligent.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on August 31, 2017, 11:41:34 PM
Sure as hell didn't impress Trump.



The CIA are the terrorists Heiwa. Lets not stand on ceremony and say they didn't have a major hand in 9/11.

Actually this whistleblower lays it out. The CIA classified documents showing that these "arab terrorists" were cia assets.

It's all explained by a brave CIA whistleblower. He doesn't say "911 was an inside job." Because he likes breathing, I assume. He does show their complicity in 9/11.



This had been planned for years before the day. You can show the towers collapse was impossible to be caused by the damage from the planes and fires without claiming the whole thing was cgi and everyone who saw them collapse is a liar.

That pisses people off.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on September 01, 2017, 12:12:18 AM

The CIA are the terrorists Heiwa. Lets not stand on ceremony and say they didn't have a major hand in 9/11.

Actually this whistleblower lays it out.

This had been planned for years before the day. You can show the towers collapse was impossible to be caused by the damage from the planes and fires without claiming the whole thing was cgi and everyone who saw them collapse is a liar.

That pisses people off.

Well, I am not a whistleblower. The only whistles I know about are fitted on ships. The bigger the ship, the bigger the whistle. Activating such a whistle produces a lot of noise to awake the crew on other ships in the vicinity.

I only show at my website that structures cannot collapse from top and that any footage of such collapses is fake, i.e. trickfilm/CGI. Any person saying she/he has seen a tower collapse from top is a simple, paid liar in my opinion.

I actually did it to calm down children that could not sleep after having seen the footage. I explained to them that what they saw was fantasy fakery to scare. After that they were all happy again and could sleep. Some of them still wonder who really scared them.

I know it upsets plenty twerps pissing in their pants. But it is not my problem.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: disputeone on September 01, 2017, 12:37:48 AM
I only show at my website that structures cannot collapse from top

Without explosives. I agree.

and that any footage of such collapses is fake, i.e. trickfilm/CGI. Any person saying she/he has seen a tower collapse from top is a simple, paid liar in my opinion.

This is why I think you are CoIntelPro
https://vault.fbi.gov/cointel-pro

So many good people (like Mike) saw what happened. Notice he's honest and open to the idea the 9/11 commission report wasn't the whole truth.

Seems like you just say stupid stuff so others can dismiss the arguments that men like Bhs and Myself make about 9/11.

I actually did it to calm down children that could not sleep after having seen the footage.

I still struggle sometimes.

I explained to them that what they saw was fantasy fakery to scare.

It was certainly designed to scare.

After that they were all happy again and could sleep.

No, it keeps me up at night. Knowing how we were lied to and knowing these monsters view us as cattle keeps me up at night.

Some of them still wonder who really scared them.

The CIA and Mossad. With some help from the Saudis.

I know it upsets plenty twerps pissing in their pants. But it is not my problem.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on September 01, 2017, 06:56:52 AM
I only show at my website that structures cannot collapse from top

Without explosives. I agree.
You don't think that a 757 full of fuel is explosive?

They looked pretty explosive to me when they crashed into the towers.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on September 01, 2017, 07:04:31 AM

Well, I am not a whistleblower.



Skin Flute counts as a whistle.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on September 04, 2017, 05:12:04 AM

So many good people (like Mike) saw what happened. Notice he's honest and open to the idea the 9/11 commission report wasn't the whole truth.


Mike didn't see anything! It was his brother, a cousin, a wife or his dead grandfather. But what happened they couldn't remember.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on September 04, 2017, 07:06:48 AM
Go back to playing your skin flute.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on September 04, 2017, 09:57:48 AM
I only show at my website that structures cannot collapse from top

Without explosives. I agree.
You don't think that a 757 full of fuel is explosive?

They looked pretty explosive to me when they crashed into the towers.

Well, whatever sliced through the walls and floors didn't explode. It was only after it having stopped/landed inside the building, there was a big fireball.
But let's face it ... the footage is trick film/CGI.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Pezevenk on September 04, 2017, 10:29:56 AM
If this is your idea of landing a plane, I don't want to see your idea of anchoring a ship.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on September 04, 2017, 10:31:34 AM

So many good people (like Mike) saw what happened. Notice he's honest and open to the idea the 9/11 commission report wasn't the whole truth.


Mike didn't see anything! It was his brother, a cousin, a wife or his dead grandfather. But what happened they couldn't remember.
You don't get to lie about my family.  You know who and everybody else who wishes to search this and the Nuclear Power thread will see what I said and that you're a fuckin' liar.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on September 04, 2017, 10:48:04 AM

So many good people (like Mike) saw what happened. Notice he's honest and open to the idea the 9/11 commission report wasn't the whole truth.


Mike didn't see anything! It was his brother, a cousin, a wife or his dead grandfather. But what happened they couldn't remember.
You don't get to lie about my family.  You know who and everybody else who wishes to search this and the Nuclear Power thread will see what I said and that you're a fuckin' liar.

Mike

Confirmed
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Bullwinkle on September 04, 2017, 01:45:49 PM
Hiawa's other site . . . . .  The Onion.com (http://www.theonion.com/)
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on September 04, 2017, 09:03:50 PM
Hiawa's other site . . . . .  The Onion.com (http://www.theonion.com/)

Thanks, instead of getting bogged down in the infuriating details, we focus on the unquestionably terrible, bigger pictures.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on September 04, 2017, 09:06:35 PM
Hiawa's other site . . . . .  The Onion.com (http://www.theonion.com/)

Thanks, instead of getting bogged down in the infuriating details, we focus on the unquestionably terrible, bigger pictures.

Like this one:

(https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/avr/avatar_686071_1483293736.png)
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on September 05, 2017, 08:13:54 AM
Hiawa's other site . . . . .  The Onion.com (http://www.theonion.com/)

Thanks, instead of getting bogged down in the infuriating details, we focus on the unquestionably terrible, bigger pictures.

Like this one:

(https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/avr/avatar_686071_1483293736.png)

Yes, I look good!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on September 05, 2017, 01:56:29 PM
It appears you have a real issue with basic comprehension.



...we focus on the unquestionably terrible, bigger pictures.

Like this one:

(https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/avr/avatar_686071_1483293736.png)

Yes, I look good!
??? ??? ???

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Pezevenk on September 05, 2017, 02:17:08 PM
Hiawa's other site . . . . .  The Onion.com (http://www.theonion.com/)

Thanks, instead of getting bogged down in the infuriating details, we focus on the unquestionably terrible, bigger pictures.

Like this one:

(https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/avr/avatar_686071_1483293736.png)

Yes, I look good!

No, you really, really don't.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on September 05, 2017, 09:47:55 PM
Hiawa's other site . . . . .  The Onion.com (http://www.theonion.com/)

Thanks, instead of getting bogged down in the infuriating details, we focus on the unquestionably terrible, bigger pictures.

Like this one:

(https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/avr/avatar_686071_1483293736.png)

Yes, I look good!

No, you really, really don't.

Photo was taken 01/01/17 just before my first swim in the Med this year. It was great. Can you swim? Do you ever take a bath?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on September 05, 2017, 10:22:44 PM
 ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???  ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: disputeone on September 05, 2017, 10:42:07 PM
I only show at my website that structures cannot collapse from top

Without explosives. I agree.
You don't think that a 757 full of fuel is explosive?

They looked pretty explosive to me when they crashed into the towers.

Didn't they just.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Pezevenk on September 06, 2017, 01:30:08 AM
Photo was taken 01/01/17 just before my first swim in the Med this year. It was great. Can you swim? Do you ever take a bath?

Yes and yes. Do you have any other stupid things to say?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on September 06, 2017, 04:04:18 AM
Photo was taken 01/01/17 just before my first swim in the Med this year. It was great. Can you swim? Do you ever take a bath?

Yes and yes. Do you have any other stupid things to say?

Not really. But send copy of your swim certificate and that you use soap when bathing and we can discuss topic - orbital mechanics. You stink like most posters here.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on September 06, 2017, 04:14:44 AM
Photo was taken 01/01/17 just before my first swim in the Med this year. It was great. Can you swim? Do you ever take a bath?

Yes and yes. Do you have any other stupid things to say?

Not really. But send copy of your swim certificate and that you use soap when bathing and we can discuss topic - orbital mechanics. You stink like most posters here.

Whether DNO can swim or not, the picture I posted does not look good. It really doesn't.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on September 06, 2017, 04:18:29 AM
Photo was taken 01/01/17 just before my first swim in the Med this year. It was great. Can you swim? Do you ever take a bath?

Yes and yes. Do you have any other stupid things to say?

Not really. But send copy of your swim certificate and that you use soap when bathing and we can discuss topic - orbital mechanics. You stink like most posters here.

Whether DNO can swim or not, the picture I posted does not look good. It really doesn't.
The picture was taken by my daughter with my camera to show how handsome I am. You sound like a jealous twerp.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on September 06, 2017, 04:20:50 AM
Photo was taken 01/01/17 just before my first swim in the Med this year. It was great. Can you swim? Do you ever take a bath?

Yes and yes. Do you have any other stupid things to say?

Not really. But send copy of your swim certificate and that you use soap when bathing and we can discuss topic - orbital mechanics. You stink like most posters here.

Whether DNO can swim or not, the picture I posted does not look good. It really doesn't.
The picture was taken by my daughter with my camera to show how handsome I am. You sound like a jealous twerp.
Everyone sounds like a jealous twerp to you. In actual fact, no one is jealous of you.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on September 06, 2017, 04:23:33 AM
Photo was taken 01/01/17 just before my first swim in the Med this year. It was great. Can you swim? Do you ever take a bath?

Yes and yes. Do you have any other stupid things to say?

Not really. But send copy of your swim certificate and that you use soap when bathing and we can discuss topic - orbital mechanics. You stink like most posters here.

Whether DNO can swim or not, the picture I posted does not look good. It really doesn't.
The picture was taken by my daughter with my camera to show how handsome I am. You sound like a jealous twerp.
Everyone sounds like a jealous twerp to you. In actual fact, no one is jealous of you.
You sound like one!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on September 06, 2017, 04:26:21 AM
Photo was taken 01/01/17 just before my first swim in the Med this year. It was great. Can you swim? Do you ever take a bath?

Yes and yes. Do you have any other stupid things to say?

Not really. But send copy of your swim certificate and that you use soap when bathing and we can discuss topic - orbital mechanics. You stink like most posters here.

Whether DNO can swim or not, the picture I posted does not look good. It really doesn't.
The picture was taken by my daughter with my camera to show how handsome I am. You sound like a jealous twerp.
Everyone sounds like a jealous twerp to you. In actual fact, no one is jealous of you.
You sound like one!

What part of "everyone" don't you understand?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on September 06, 2017, 04:31:07 AM
Photo was taken 01/01/17 just before my first swim in the Med this year. It was great. Can you swim? Do you ever take a bath?

Yes and yes. Do you have any other stupid things to say?

Not really. But send copy of your swim certificate and that you use soap when bathing and we can discuss topic - orbital mechanics. You stink like most posters here.

Whether DNO can swim or not, the picture I posted does not look good. It really doesn't.
The picture was taken by my daughter with my camera to show how handsome I am. You sound like a jealous twerp.
Everyone sounds like a jealous twerp to you. In actual fact, no one is jealous of you.
You sound like one!

What part of "everyone" don't you understand?
I understand everything.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on September 06, 2017, 04:36:15 AM
Photo was taken 01/01/17 just before my first swim in the Med this year. It was great. Can you swim? Do you ever take a bath?

Yes and yes. Do you have any other stupid things to say?

Not really. But send copy of your swim certificate and that you use soap when bathing and we can discuss topic - orbital mechanics. You stink like most posters here.

Whether DNO can swim or not, the picture I posted does not look good. It really doesn't.
The picture was taken by my daughter with my camera to show how handsome I am. You sound like a jealous twerp.
Everyone sounds like a jealous twerp to you. In actual fact, no one is jealous of you.
You sound like one!

What part of "everyone" don't you understand?
I understand everything.

It's extraordinarily clear that you understand very little. BTW I am part of the set of "everyone". And you think that we're jealous of you. In fact, I doubt anyone is. I sure am'nt.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: frenat on September 06, 2017, 05:09:37 AM
Photo was taken 01/01/17 just before my first swim in the Med this year. It was great. Can you swim? Do you ever take a bath?

Yes and yes. Do you have any other stupid things to say?

Not really. But send copy of your swim certificate and that you use soap when bathing and we can discuss topic - orbital mechanics. You stink like most posters here.

Whether DNO can swim or not, the picture I posted does not look good. It really doesn't.
The picture was taken by my daughter with my camera to show how handsome I am. You sound like a jealous twerp.
Everyone sounds like a jealous twerp to you. In actual fact, no one is jealous of you.
You sound like one!
spoken like a true narcissist.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on September 06, 2017, 06:09:38 AM
Photo was taken 01/01/17 just before my first swim in the Med this year. It was great. Can you swim? Do you ever take a bath?

Yes and yes. Do you have any other stupid things to say?

Not really. But send copy of your swim certificate and that you use soap when bathing and we can discuss topic - orbital mechanics. You stink like most posters here.
What does any of that have to do with your lack of understanding of orbital mechanics or your obsession with poop?  ???
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on September 06, 2017, 08:03:45 AM
Photo was taken 01/01/17 just before my first swim in the Med this year. It was great. Can you swim? Do you ever take a bath?

Yes and yes. Do you have any other stupid things to say?

Not really. But send copy of your swim certificate and that you use soap when bathing and we can discuss topic - orbital mechanics. You stink like most posters here.

Exactly what is a "swimming certificate"??  ???

I've met less than 5 people in my entire life from my country who couldn't swim, and I know no one except of those who took part in some sort of competition with any sort of "swimming certificate".
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on September 06, 2017, 11:26:29 AM
Photo was taken 01/01/17 just before my first swim in the Med this year. It was great. Can you swim? Do you ever take a bath?

Yes and yes. Do you have any other stupid things to say?

Not really. But send copy of your swim certificate and that you use soap when bathing and we can discuss topic - orbital mechanics. You stink like most posters here.
What does any of that have to do with your lack of understanding of orbital mechanics or your obsession with poop?  ???

More twerp questions from markjo. Why?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on September 06, 2017, 11:38:17 AM
Photo was taken 01/01/17 just before my first swim in the Med this year. It was great. Can you swim? Do you ever take a bath?

Yes and yes. Do you have any other stupid things to say?

Not really. But send copy of your swim certificate and that you use soap when bathing and we can discuss topic - orbital mechanics. You stink like most posters here.
What does any of that have to do with your lack of understanding of orbital mechanics or your obsession with poop?  ???

More twerp questions from markjo. Why?
Because you're going off topic again.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on September 06, 2017, 11:49:57 AM
Photo was taken 01/01/17 just before my first swim in the Med this year. It was great. Can you swim? Do you ever take a bath?

Yes and yes. Do you have any other stupid things to say?

Not really. But send copy of your swim certificate and that you use soap when bathing and we can discuss topic - orbital mechanics. You stink like most posters here.
What does any of that have to do with your lack of understanding of orbital mechanics or your obsession with poop?  ???

More twerp questions from markjo. Why?
Because you're going off topic again.
No.

Listen!

Aiming to support shipbuilding modernizations that will increase productivity and allow U.S. shipyards to compete more effectively in global markets, the U.S. Department of Transportation’s Maritime Administration (MARAD) has awarded $9.8 million to 18 U.S. yards through its Small Shipyard Grant Program.

“Small shipyards play a significant role in our country’s maritime sector, which contributes to our economy, security, and infrastructure,” said U.S. Transportation Secretary Elaine L. Chao.  “In addition, these grants will support local communities by creating jobs for working families.”

Small shipyard facilities vary in size, from family-owned businesses employing a few dozen workers, to multifaceted establishments with hundreds of employees. The grants, which were primarily available to U.S. shipyards with less than 600 production employees, are generally less than $1 million each, but can make a huge difference in a shipyard’s bottom line. 

“U.S. shipyards produce some of the world’s best-built vessels,” said Maritime Administrator Mark H. Buzby. “These grants will fund the kinds of upgrades and modernization that ensure America’s shipbuilding industry remains strong and competitive internationally.”   

A complete list of shipyard grant recipients follows:

•Vigor Alaska, LLC. of Ketchikan, Alaska was awarded $533,014 to support the purchase of a robotic pressure washer, milling machine, shear, VFD air compressor, air pallet load module, lathe, scaffolding and stair towers, electric capstans and pneumatic fenders.

•Bay Maritime Corporation in Alameda, Calif. was awarded $509,718 to support the purchase of a CNC bed mill and a CNC bridge mill.

•Thames Shipyard & Repair Company, Inc. in New London, Conn. was awarded $191,762 to support the purchase and installation of confined space surface preparation equipment.

•Jeffboat, LLC of Jeffersonville, Ind. was awarded $479,150 to support the purchase of an 80-ton grove mobile crane.

•National Maintenance and Repair of Kentucky, Inc. was awarded $377,433 to support the purchase of a Vantage Oil Country lathe.

•Gulf Island Shipyards, Inc, of Houma, La. was awarded $757,168 to support the purchase of a laser CNC cutting machine and a CNC pipe bending machine.

•A & Z Marine, Inc. of Port Allen, La. was awarded $900,000 to support the purchase a 440-ton marine travelift.

•Boston Ship Repair, LLC in Boston was awarded $576,000 to support necessary electrical upgrades.

•The General Ship Repair Corporation in Baltimore was awarded $388,903 to support the purchase of a drydock wash water removal and processing system.

•Portland Shipyard in Portland, Maine was awarded $990,500 to support the purchase of a 330-ton marine travelift.

•The Great Lakes Towing Company was awarded $570,065 for capital investment in equipment, tooling and software to improve shipyard efficiency and competitiveness.

•Philly Shipyard, Inc. in Philadelphia was awarded $346,544 for modernization and upgrades to a welding system. 

•Blount Boats, Inc. in Warren, R.I. was awarded $508,927 for metal working equipment, painting enhancements and to purchase a 25-ton marine transporter.

•J. Goodison Company, Inc., in North Kingston, R.I. was awarded $635,453 to support the purchase of a wash water collection and treatment system.

•Detyens Shipyard, Inc. in North Charleston, S.C. was awarded $466,985 for a climate controlled down draft paint booth, and steel fabrication equipment.

•Bludworth Marine, LLC in Houston was awarded $900,000 to build a 3,000-ton floating drydock.

•Colonna’s Shipyard, Inc. in Norfolk, Va. was awarded $387,500 to support the purchase of a link-belt 110-ton rough terrain crane.

•Dakota Creek Industries, Inc. of Anacortes, Wash. was awarded $280,878 to support the purchase of a steel frame bending and straightening machine as well as a CNC router table.

Since 2008, MARAD’s Small Shipyard Grant Program has awarded $174 million to 169 small shipyards, helping them to modernize operations, improve efficiency and boost productivity with employee training and new technologies. Including direct, indirect, and induced impacts, total economic activity associated with American shipyards is nearly 400,000 jobs, $25.1 billion of labor income, and $37.3 billion in GDP.

Why on Earth should the Donald Trump pay these people $$$? I assume they are paid not to ask qustions about the US orbital mechancis hoax.

What do you think?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on September 06, 2017, 12:46:11 PM

What do you think?



I think you have fallen and you can't get up!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on September 06, 2017, 01:06:28 PM
Why on Earth should the Donald Trump pay these people $$$? I assume they are paid not to ask qustions about the US orbital mechancis hoax.

What do you think?
I think that your retarted.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on September 06, 2017, 10:42:53 PM
Why on Earth should the Donald Trump pay these people $$$? I assume they are paid not to ask qustions about the US orbital mechancis hoax.

What do you think?
I think that your retarted.

I think governments should not subsidize private enterprises, particularly shipyards. It is just a waste of money.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: frenat on September 07, 2017, 06:14:06 AM
Why on Earth should the Donald Trump pay these people $$$? I assume they are paid not to ask qustions about the US orbital mechancis hoax.

What do you think?
I think that your retarted.

I think governments should not subsidize private enterprises, particularly shipyards. It is just a waste of money.
I think you're desperately trying to change the subject AGAIN because you're a senile curmudgeon. 
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: disputeone on September 07, 2017, 06:32:08 AM
Does yours?

That edit tho. Give it you gotta take it.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on September 07, 2017, 08:35:48 AM
Why on Earth should the Donald Trump pay these people $$$? I assume they are paid not to ask qustions about the US orbital mechancis hoax.

What do you think?
I think that your retarted.

I think governments should not subsidize private enterprises, particularly shipyards. It is just a waste of money.
I think you're desperately trying to change the subject AGAIN because you're a senile curmudgeon.

Hm, topic was the difficulties of orbital mechanics and I extended it to Donald Trump giving money away to companies losing money and not able to compete. Nothing wrong with that.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: frenat on September 07, 2017, 08:45:58 AM
Why on Earth should the Donald Trump pay these people $$$? I assume they are paid not to ask qustions about the US orbital mechancis hoax.

What do you think?
I think that your retarted.

I think governments should not subsidize private enterprises, particularly shipyards. It is just a waste of money.
I think you're desperately trying to change the subject AGAIN because you're a senile curmudgeon.

Hm, topic was the difficulties of orbital mechanics and I extended it to Donald Trump giving money away to companies losing money and not able to compete. Nothing wrong with that.
Topic was your lack of understanding in everything and your obsession with poop.  Either way what you brought up was off topic and designed to distract from your failings.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on September 07, 2017, 10:56:00 AM
Why on Earth should the Donald Trump pay these people $$$? I assume they are paid not to ask qustions about the US orbital mechancis hoax.

What do you think?
I think that your retarted.

I think governments should not subsidize private enterprises, particularly shipyards. It is just a waste of money.
I think you're desperately trying to change the subject AGAIN because you're a senile curmudgeon.

Hm, topic was the difficulties of orbital mechanics and I extended it to Donald Trump giving money away to companies losing money and not able to compete. Nothing wrong with that.
Topic was your lack of understanding in everything and your obsession with poop.  Either way what you brought up was off topic and designed to distract from your failings.

You sound like a guttersnipe.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: markjo on September 07, 2017, 01:17:06 PM
Why on Earth should the Donald Trump pay these people $$$? I assume they are paid not to ask qustions about the US orbital mechancis hoax.

What do you think?
I think that your retarted.

I think governments should not subsidize private enterprises, particularly shipyards. It is just a waste of money.
I think you're desperately trying to change the subject AGAIN because you're a senile curmudgeon.

Hm, topic was the difficulties of orbital mechanics and I extended it to Donald Trump giving money away to companies losing money and not able to compete. Nothing wrong with that.
Topic was your lack of understanding in everything and your obsession with poop.  Either way what you brought up was off topic and designed to distract from your failings.

You sound like a guttersnipe.
That doesn't mean that he's wrong.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on October 01, 2017, 09:11:57 AM
Why on Earth should the Donald Trump pay these people $$$? I assume they are paid not to ask qustions about the US orbital mechancis hoax.

What do you think?
I think that your retarted.

I think governments should not subsidize private enterprises, particularly shipyards. It is just a waste of money.
I think you're desperately trying to change the subject AGAIN because you're a senile curmudgeon.

Hm, topic was the difficulties of orbital mechanics and I extended it to Donald Trump giving money away to companies losing money and not able to compete. Nothing wrong with that.
Topic was your lack of understanding in everything and your obsession with poop.  Either way what you brought up was off topic and designed to distract from your failings.

You sound like a guttersnipe.
That doesn't mean that he's wrong.
Please claify, without asking more questions!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on October 01, 2017, 09:24:36 AM
Why on Earth should the Donald Trump pay these people $$$? I assume they are paid not to ask qustions about the US orbital mechancis hoax.

What do you think?
I think that your retarted.

I think governments should not subsidize private enterprises, particularly shipyards. It is just a waste of money.
I think you're desperately trying to change the subject AGAIN because you're a senile curmudgeon.

Hm, topic was the difficulties of orbital mechanics and I extended it to Donald Trump giving money away to companies losing money and not able to compete. Nothing wrong with that.
Topic was your lack of understanding in everything and your obsession with poop.  Either way what you brought up was off topic and designed to distract from your failings.

You sound like a guttersnipe.
That doesn't mean that he's wrong.
Please claify, without asking more questions!

What you brought up was off topic and designed to distract from your failings.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: markjo on October 01, 2017, 09:33:56 AM
Why on Earth should the Donald Trump pay these people $$$? I assume they are paid not to ask qustions about the US orbital mechancis hoax.

What do you think?
I think that your retarted.

I think governments should not subsidize private enterprises, particularly shipyards. It is just a waste of money.
I think you're desperately trying to change the subject AGAIN because you're a senile curmudgeon.

Hm, topic was the difficulties of orbital mechanics and I extended it to Donald Trump giving money away to companies losing money and not able to compete. Nothing wrong with that.
Topic was your lack of understanding in everything and your obsession with poop.  Either way what you brought up was off topic and designed to distract from your failings.

You sound like a guttersnipe.
That doesn't mean that he's wrong.
Please claify, without asking more questions!
Guttersnipes are evidently smarter than you.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Badxtoss on October 01, 2017, 10:16:02 AM
Gutters are smarter than him
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on October 01, 2017, 10:23:52 AM
Gutters are smarter than him

Topic is of course something else, e.g. John Glenn, the US clown, later senator that orbited Earth 1962 without pissing in his suit and then went to space again later ... as a senator.

What a crap of shit - http://heiwaco.com/moontravelw1.htm#19

John is dead, but Catherine is still around. What a story.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on October 01, 2017, 10:41:07 AM
Gutters are smarter than him

Topic is of course something else, e.g. John Glenn, the US clown, later senator that orbited Earth 1962 without pissing in his suit and then went to space again later ... as a senator.

What a crap of shit - http://heiwaco.com/moontravelw1.htm#19

John is dead, but Catherine is still around. What a story.
Yup, there's the troll makin' fun of the dead.  You're websites are a joke.  There's nothing to challenge because it's nothing but junk science and everyone know you'll never admit it and never pay up.

You're a liar and a troll.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on October 01, 2017, 11:30:18 AM
Gutters are smarter than him

Topic is of course something else, e.g. John Glenn, the US clown, later senator that orbited Earth 1962 without pissing in his suit and then went to space again later ... as a senator.

What a crap of shit - http://heiwaco.com/moontravelw1.htm#19

John is dead, but Catherine is still around. What a story.
Yup, there's the troll makin' fun of the dead.  You're websites are a joke.  There's nothing to challenge because it's nothing but junk science and everyone know you'll never admit it and never pay up.

You're a liar and a troll.

Mike

You sound like a terrorist. And my website http://heiwaco.com is good.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on October 01, 2017, 12:29:09 PM
Gutters are smarter than him

Topic is of course something else, e.g. John Glenn, the US clown, later senator that orbited Earth 1962 without pissing in his suit and then went to space again later ... as a senator.

What a crap of shit - http://heiwaco.com/moontravelw1.htm#19

John is dead, but Catherine is still around. What a story.
Yup, there's the troll makin' fun of the dead.  You're websites are a joke.  There's nothing to challenge because it's nothing but junk science and everyone know you'll never admit it and never pay up.

You're a liar and a troll.

Mike

You sound like a terrorist. And my website http://heiwaco.com is good.
And, you write another lying troll post.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on October 01, 2017, 02:57:05 PM
You sound like a terrorist. And my website http://heiwaco.com is good.
Your website has been declared a weapon of mass ignorance.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of knowledge of orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on October 01, 2017, 06:29:45 PM
You sound like a terrorist. And my website http://heiwaco.com is good.
Your website has been declared a weapon of mass ignorance.

Well, it is quite popular. You must be jealous.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of knowledge of orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on October 01, 2017, 07:19:06 PM
You sound like a terrorist. And my website http://heiwaco.com is good.
Your website has been declared a weapon of mass ignorance.

Well, it is quite popular. You must be jealous.
You must have quite low standards if you think that your site is popular.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of knowledge of orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on October 01, 2017, 07:32:04 PM
You sound like a terrorist. And my website http://heiwaco.com is good.
Your website has been declared a weapon of mass ignorance.

Well, it is quite popular. You must be jealous.
You must have quite low standards if you think that your site is popular.

He doesn't understand about webcrawlers etc.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of knowledge of orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on October 02, 2017, 02:02:41 AM
You sound like a terrorist. And my website http://heiwaco.com is good.
Your website has been declared a weapon of mass ignorance.

Well, it is quite popular. You must be jealous.
Your definition of "quite popular" is a joke.  Your piddly little website ranks in the bottom ten thousandth of a percent for traffic.  Even low traffic sites get more page views in a month then you have since your site started.  Quit lying about how popular your website is.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of knowledge of orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on October 02, 2017, 02:57:01 AM
You sound like a terrorist. And my website http://heiwaco.com is good.
Your website has been declared a weapon of mass ignorance.

Well, it is quite popular. You must be jealous.
Your definition of "quite popular" is a joke.  Your piddly little website ranks in the bottom ten thousandth of a percent for traffic.  Even low traffic sites get more page views in a month then you have since your site started.  Quit lying about how popular your website is.

Mike

You don't know what you are talking about. My very good software recording unique visits and pages read (ignoring web crawlers, etc) talks about 12 000 visits/month and 17000 pages read/month. And >2.42 million visits since I installed the software a long time ago. I have a very positive feedback. 40% of the visitors only study two pages though: about fake US human space travel and about fake US a-bombs.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of knowledge of orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on October 02, 2017, 03:24:32 AM
You sound like a terrorist. And my website http://heiwaco.com is good.
Your website has been declared a weapon of mass ignorance.

Well, it is quite popular. You must be jealous.
Your definition of "quite popular" is a joke.  Your piddly little website ranks in the bottom ten thousandth of a percent for traffic.  Even low traffic sites get more page views in a month then you have since your site started.  Quit lying about how popular your website is.

Mike

You don't know what you are talking about. My very good software recording unique visits and pages read (ignoring web crawlers, etc) talks about 12 000 visits/month and 17000 pages read/month. And >2.42 million visits since I installed the software a long time ago. I have a very positive feedback. 40% of the visitors only study two pages though: about fake US human space travel and about fake US a-bombs.
You're the one who doesn't know what you're talking about.  Most low end traffic sites do a million page views a month.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of knowledge of orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on October 02, 2017, 05:06:03 AM
You sound like a terrorist. And my website http://heiwaco.com is good.
Your website has been declared a weapon of mass ignorance.

Well, it is quite popular. You must be jealous.
Your definition of "quite popular" is a joke.  Your piddly little website ranks in the bottom ten thousandth of a percent for traffic.  Even low traffic sites get more page views in a month then you have since your site started.  Quit lying about how popular your website is.

Mike

You don't know what you are talking about. My very good software recording unique visits and pages read (ignoring web crawlers, etc) talks about 12 000 visits/month and 17000 pages read/month. And >2.42 million visits since I installed the software a long time ago. I have a very positive feedback. 40% of the visitors only study two pages though: about fake US human space travel and about fake US a-bombs.
You're the one who doesn't know what you're talking about.  Most low end traffic sites do a million page views a month.

Mike

OK, my site has only 12 000 visits/month. Maybe it is due to no pornography and similar. But no, I try to be serious. You confirm you have not an idea what you are talking about. Typical of people working for the military industrial complex.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of knowledge of orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on October 02, 2017, 07:39:16 AM
You sound like a terrorist. And my website http://heiwaco.com is good.
Your website has been declared a weapon of mass ignorance.

Well, it is quite popular. You must be jealous.
Your definition of "quite popular" is a joke.  Your piddly little website ranks in the bottom ten thousandth of a percent for traffic.  Even low traffic sites get more page views in a month then you have since your site started.  Quit lying about how popular your website is.

Mike

You don't know what you are talking about. My very good software recording unique visits and pages read (ignoring web crawlers, etc) talks about 12 000 visits/month and 17000 pages read/month. And >2.42 million visits since I installed the software a long time ago. I have a very positive feedback. 40% of the visitors only study two pages though: about fake US human space travel and about fake US a-bombs.
You're the one who doesn't know what you're talking about.  Most low end traffic sites do a million page views a month.

Mike

OK, my site has only 12 000 visits/month. Maybe it is due to no pornography and similar. But no, I try to be serious. You confirm you have not an idea what you are talking about. Typical of people working for the military industrial complex.
Another straw man.  Ok, I'll bite.  You said "You confirm you have not an idea what you are talking about."  Okay.  What did I post that is incorrect?

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: RocketSauce on October 03, 2017, 03:04:12 PM
Did I say Double Down?

I meant to say Triple Down!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of knowledge of orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on October 03, 2017, 07:48:41 PM
You sound like a terrorist. And my website http://heiwaco.com is good.
Your website has been declared a weapon of mass ignorance.

Well, it is quite popular. You must be jealous.
Your definition of "quite popular" is a joke.  Your piddly little website ranks in the bottom ten thousandth of a percent for traffic.  Even low traffic sites get more page views in a month then you have since your site started.  Quit lying about how popular your website is.

Mike

You don't know what you are talking about. My very good software recording unique visits and pages read (ignoring web crawlers, etc) talks about 12 000 visits/month and 17000 pages read/month. And >2.42 million visits since I installed the software a long time ago. I have a very positive feedback. 40% of the visitors only study two pages though: about fake US human space travel and about fake US a-bombs.
You're the one who doesn't know what you're talking about.  Most low end traffic sites do a million page views a month.

Mike

OK, my site has only 12 000 visits/month. Maybe it is due to no pornography and similar. But no, I try to be serious. You confirm you have not an idea what you are talking about. Typical of people working for the military industrial complex.
Another straw man.  Ok, I'll bite.  You said "You confirm you have not an idea what you are talking about."  Okay.  What did I post that is incorrect?

Mike

You have said/posted that you know people that (1) have seen tops of structures destroying the intact bottom (on 911) or (2) have met people who have been in space and then landed again assisted by NASA.

As both events are impossible, I simply think you are lying. You live in a fantasy world, Mike.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Bullwinkle on October 04, 2017, 01:22:34 AM
Heiwa, you ignorant slut.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of knowledge of orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on October 04, 2017, 02:03:58 AM
You're the one who doesn't know what you're talking about.  Most low end traffic sites do a million page views a month.

Mike

OK, my site has only 12 000 visits/month. Maybe it is due to no pornography and similar. But no, I try to be serious. You confirm you have not an idea what you are talking about. Typical of people working for the military industrial complex.
Another straw man.  Ok, I'll bite.  You said "You confirm you have not an idea what you are talking about."  Okay.  What did I post that is incorrect?

Mike

You have said/posted that you know people that (1) have seen tops of structures destroying the intact bottom (on 911) or (2) have met people who have been in space and then landed again assisted by NASA.

As both events are impossible, I simply think you are lying. You live in a fantasy world, Mike.
There you go making shit up again.  I never posted that I have met people who have been in space.  That makes YOU THE LIAR.

Yes, I know people who witnessed the towers come down.  My brother watched the second plane come over the harbor and into the south tower...as did a hundreds of thousands of other people. 

Since you do shoddy research you wouldn’t have a clue what the truth is.  You don't even have the common decency to actually get any evidence that those people didn’t die that day.  You made up a story without any proof.  YOU LIE ABOUT THE DEAD, LIE ABOUT THE PLANES, AND THAT’S WHY YOU WERE KICKED OUT OF AE911 AND WHY NO OTHER “TRUTHER” SITE WILL HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOU!

Here’s a link to more proof of your lies and your incompetent engineering skills.

https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/home/anders-bjorkman-s-world

Thanks for playing.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Bullwinkle on October 04, 2017, 02:15:15 AM
Euthanasia? What about the youth in America?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of knowledge of orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on October 04, 2017, 03:31:14 AM
You're the one who doesn't know what you're talking about.  Most low end traffic sites do a million page views a month.

Mike

OK, my site has only 12 000 visits/month. Maybe it is due to no pornography and similar. But no, I try to be serious. You confirm you have not an idea what you are talking about. Typical of people working for the military industrial complex.
Another straw man.  Ok, I'll bite.  You said "You confirm you have not an idea what you are talking about."  Okay.  What did I post that is incorrect?

Mike

You have said/posted that you know people that (1) have seen tops of structures destroying the intact bottom (on 911) or (2) have met people who have been in space and then landed again assisted by NASA.

As both events are impossible, I simply think you are lying. You live in a fantasy world, Mike.
There you go making shit up again.  I never posted that I have met people who have been in space.  That makes YOU THE LIAR.

Yes, I know people who witnessed the towers come down.  My brother watched the second plane come over the harbor and into the south tower...as did a hundreds of thousands of other people. 

Since you do shoddy research you wouldn’t have a clue what the truth is.  You don't even have the common decency to actually get any evidence that those people didn’t die that day.  You made up a story without any proof.  YOU LIE ABOUT THE DEAD, LIE ABOUT THE PLANES, AND THAT’S WHY YOU WERE KICKED OUT OF AE911 AND WHY NO OTHER “TRUTHER” SITE WILL HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOU!

Here’s a link to more proof of your lies and your incompetent engineering skills.

https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/home/anders-bjorkman-s-world

Thanks for playing.

Mike

A much better link is http://heiwaco.com . Very popular. Millions of visitors.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Bullwinkle on October 04, 2017, 03:43:11 AM
cheese burger, cheese burger, cheese burger.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of knowledge of orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on October 04, 2017, 03:50:37 AM
You're the one who doesn't know what you're talking about.  Most low end traffic sites do a million page views a month.

Mike

OK, my site has only 12 000 visits/month. Maybe it is due to no pornography and similar. But no, I try to be serious. You confirm you have not an idea what you are talking about. Typical of people working for the military industrial complex.
Another straw man.  Ok, I'll bite.  You said "You confirm you have not an idea what you are talking about."  Okay.  What did I post that is incorrect?

Mike

You have said/posted that you know people that (1) have seen tops of structures destroying the intact bottom (on 911) or (2) have met people who have been in space and then landed again assisted by NASA.

As both events are impossible, I simply think you are lying. You live in a fantasy world, Mike.
There you go making shit up again.  I never posted that I have met people who have been in space.  That makes YOU THE LIAR.

Yes, I know people who witnessed the towers come down.  My brother watched the second plane come over the harbor and into the south tower...as did a hundreds of thousands of other people. 

Since you do shoddy research you wouldn’t have a clue what the truth is.  You don't even have the common decency to actually get any evidence that those people didn’t die that day.  You made up a story without any proof.  YOU LIE ABOUT THE DEAD, LIE ABOUT THE PLANES, AND THAT’S WHY YOU WERE KICKED OUT OF AE911 AND WHY NO OTHER “TRUTHER” SITE WILL HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOU!

Here’s a link to more proof of your lies and your incompetent engineering skills.

https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/home/anders-bjorkman-s-world

Thanks for playing.

Mike

A much better link is http://heiwaco.com . Very popular. Millions of visitors.
Millions of visitors?!?!  That's just too funny.  By your own admission you had that many over the life time of your site.  You misrepresent your site metrics.  Yet another lie from Anders.

High traffic sites do in a minute what your's has done in it's lifetime.  Low traffic sites do that many page views in a month.  You site doesn't even have enough traffic to be ranked so quit lying about it's popularity.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Bullwinkle on October 04, 2017, 04:01:09 AM
Ooooh nooooooo, Mr. Heiwa . . .

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on October 04, 2017, 04:03:53 AM
Ooooh nooooooo, Mr. Heiwa . . .


That's some funny shit right there. ;D
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of knowledge of orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on October 04, 2017, 04:55:35 AM
You're the one who doesn't know what you're talking about.  Most low end traffic sites do a million page views a month.

Mike

OK, my site has only 12 000 visits/month. Maybe it is due to no pornography and similar. But no, I try to be serious. You confirm you have not an idea what you are talking about. Typical of people working for the military industrial complex.
Another straw man.  Ok, I'll bite.  You said "You confirm you have not an idea what you are talking about."  Okay.  What did I post that is incorrect?

Mike

You have said/posted that you know people that (1) have seen tops of structures destroying the intact bottom (on 911) or (2) have met people who have been in space and then landed again assisted by NASA.

As both events are impossible, I simply think you are lying. You live in a fantasy world, Mike.
There you go making shit up again.  I never posted that I have met people who have been in space.  That makes YOU THE LIAR.

Yes, I know people who witnessed the towers come down.  My brother watched the second plane come over the harbor and into the south tower...as did a hundreds of thousands of other people. 

Since you do shoddy research you wouldn’t have a clue what the truth is.  You don't even have the common decency to actually get any evidence that those people didn’t die that day.  You made up a story without any proof.  YOU LIE ABOUT THE DEAD, LIE ABOUT THE PLANES, AND THAT’S WHY YOU WERE KICKED OUT OF AE911 AND WHY NO OTHER “TRUTHER” SITE WILL HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOU!

Here’s a link to more proof of your lies and your incompetent engineering skills.

https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/home/anders-bjorkman-s-world

Thanks for playing.

Mike

A much better link is http://heiwaco.com . Very popular. Millions of visitors.
Millions of visitors?!?!  That's just too funny.  By your own admission you had that many over the life time of your site.  You misrepresent your site metrics.  Yet another lie from Anders.

High traffic sites do in a minute what your's has done in it's lifetime.  Low traffic sites do that many page views in a month.  You site doesn't even have enough traffic to be ranked so quit lying about it's popularity.

Mike
? >2.4 million visitors since I installed the stat software years ao and >10 000 visitors/months today ... is very good IMHO. What a twerp like you think is of no importance. Who pays you how much to go on like this? You sound like a paid terrorist.

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of knowledge of orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on October 04, 2017, 05:29:22 AM
You're the one who doesn't know what you're talking about.  Most low end traffic sites do a million page views a month.

Mike

OK, my site has only 12 000 visits/month. Maybe it is due to no pornography and similar. But no, I try to be serious. You confirm you have not an idea what you are talking about. Typical of people working for the military industrial complex.
Another straw man.  Ok, I'll bite.  You said "You confirm you have not an idea what you are talking about."  Okay.  What did I post that is incorrect?

Mike

You have said/posted that you know people that (1) have seen tops of structures destroying the intact bottom (on 911) or (2) have met people who have been in space and then landed again assisted by NASA.

As both events are impossible, I simply think you are lying. You live in a fantasy world, Mike.
There you go making shit up again.  I never posted that I have met people who have been in space.  That makes YOU THE LIAR.

Yes, I know people who witnessed the towers come down.  My brother watched the second plane come over the harbor and into the south tower...as did a hundreds of thousands of other people. 

Since you do shoddy research you wouldn’t have a clue what the truth is.  You don't even have the common decency to actually get any evidence that those people didn’t die that day.  You made up a story without any proof.  YOU LIE ABOUT THE DEAD, LIE ABOUT THE PLANES, AND THAT’S WHY YOU WERE KICKED OUT OF AE911 AND WHY NO OTHER “TRUTHER” SITE WILL HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOU!

Here’s a link to more proof of your lies and your incompetent engineering skills.

https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/home/anders-bjorkman-s-world

Thanks for playing.

Mike

A much better link is http://heiwaco.com . Very popular. Millions of visitors.
Millions of visitors?!?!  That's just too funny.  By your own admission you had that many over the life time of your site.  You misrepresent your site metrics.  Yet another lie from Anders.

High traffic sites do in a minute what your's has done in it's lifetime.  Low traffic sites do that many page views in a month.  You site doesn't even have enough traffic to be ranked so quit lying about it's popularity.

Mike
? >2.4 million visitors since I installed the stat software years ao and >10 00 visitors/months today ... is very good IMHO. What a twerp like you think is of no importance. Who pays you how much to go on like this? You sound like a paid terrorist.
Another lie followed by an attack on the poster.  Your typical post to avoid having an honest dialogue...you're incapable of honesty.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of knowledge of orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on October 04, 2017, 05:34:56 AM
2.4 million visitors since I installed the stat software years ao and >10 00 visitors/months today ... is very good IMHO.

Yes. We know. Your opinion is not actually worth that much in the real world tho.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of knowledge of orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on October 04, 2017, 05:35:11 AM
You're the one who doesn't know what you're talking about.  Most low end traffic sites do a million page views a month.

Mike

OK, my site has only 12 000 visits/month. Maybe it is due to no pornography and similar. But no, I try to be serious. You confirm you have not an idea what you are talking about. Typical of people working for the military industrial complex.
Another straw man.  Ok, I'll bite.  You said "You confirm you have not an idea what you are talking about."  Okay.  What did I post that is incorrect?

Mike

You have said/posted that you know people that (1) have seen tops of structures destroying the intact bottom (on 911) or (2) have met people who have been in space and then landed again assisted by NASA.

As both events are impossible, I simply think you are lying. You live in a fantasy world, Mike.
There you go making shit up again.  I never posted that I have met people who have been in space.  That makes YOU THE LIAR.

Yes, I know people who witnessed the towers come down.  My brother watched the second plane come over the harbor and into the south tower...as did a hundreds of thousands of other people. 

Since you do shoddy research you wouldn’t have a clue what the truth is.  You don't even have the common decency to actually get any evidence that those people didn’t die that day.  You made up a story without any proof.  YOU LIE ABOUT THE DEAD, LIE ABOUT THE PLANES, AND THAT’S WHY YOU WERE KICKED OUT OF AE911 AND WHY NO OTHER “TRUTHER” SITE WILL HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOU!

Here’s a link to more proof of your lies and your incompetent engineering skills.

https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/home/anders-bjorkman-s-world

Thanks for playing.

Mike

A much better link is http://heiwaco.com . Very popular. Millions of visitors.
Millions of visitors?!?!  That's just too funny.  By your own admission you had that many over the life time of your site.  You misrepresent your site metrics.  Yet another lie from Anders.

High traffic sites do in a minute what your's has done in it's lifetime.  Low traffic sites do that many page views in a month.  You site doesn't even have enough traffic to be ranked so quit lying about it's popularity.

Mike
? >2.4 million visitors since I installed the stat software years ao and >10 00 visitors/months today ... is very good IMHO. What a twerp like you think is of no importance. Who pays you how much to go on like this? You sound like a paid terrorist.
Another lie followed by an attack on the poster.  Your typical post to avoid having an honest dialogue...you're incapable of honesty.

Mike

LOL
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of knowledge of orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on October 04, 2017, 05:35:56 AM
2.4 million visitors since I installed the stat software years ao and >10 00 visitors/months today ... is very good IMHO.

Yes. We know. Your opinion is not actually worth that much in the real world tho.

LOL
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of knowledge of orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on October 04, 2017, 05:38:19 AM
2.4 million visitors since I installed the stat software years ao and >10 00 visitors/months today ... is very good IMHO.

Yes. We know. Your opinion is not actually worth that much in the real world tho.

LOL

Exactly. This is what we've all been trying to tell you. Finally you realize that it's all a big joke. We've all been laughing since page 1. LOL
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Bullwinkle on October 04, 2017, 08:28:55 AM

I explain more at [heiwa.com] Very popular! >200 visitors/day.




You don't know what you are talking about. My very good software recording unique visits and pages read talks about 12 000 visits/month




I installed the stat software years ago and >10 00 visitors/months today ...



6,000/mo.? 12,000/mo.? 10,000/mo.?    ???

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: frenat on October 04, 2017, 08:33:51 AM

I explain more at [heiwa.com] Very popular! >200 visitors/day.




You don't know what you are talking about. My very good software recording unique visits and pages read talks about 12 000 visits/month




I installed the stat software years ago and >10 00 visitors/months today ...



6,000/mo.? 12,000/mo.? 10,000/mo.?    ???
It is hard for liars to keep their lies straight.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on October 04, 2017, 09:07:56 AM

I explain more at [heiwa.com] Very popular! >200 visitors/day.




You don't know what you are talking about. My very good software recording unique visits and pages read talks about 12 000 visits/month




I installed the stat software years ago and >10 000 visitors/months today ...



6,000/mo.? 12,000/mo.? 10,000/mo.?    ???

It varies all the time. I am very popular!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on October 04, 2017, 09:28:11 AM

I explain more at [heiwa.com] Very popular! >200 visitors/day.



You don't know what you are talking about. My very good software recording unique visits and pages read talks about 12 000 visits/month




I installed the stat software years ago and >10 000 visitors/months today ...



6,000/mo.? 12,000/mo.? 10,000/mo.?    ???

It varies all the time. I am very popular!

No!  Your problem is you tell so many lies that you can't keep them straight.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: markjo on October 04, 2017, 09:42:26 AM
It varies all the time. I am very popular!
If your site was very popular, then it would be getting >10,000 hits a day, not a month.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Bullwinkle on October 04, 2017, 09:48:16 AM

I explain more at [heiwa.com] Very popular! >200 visitors/day.




You don't know what you are talking about. My very good software recording unique visits and pages read talks about 12 000 visits/month




I installed the stat software years ago and >10 000 visitors/months today ...



6,000/mo.? 12,000/mo.? 10,000/mo.?    ???

It varies all the time. I am very popular!



If only there was some way to calculate an average over time.   ::)

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on October 04, 2017, 11:04:38 AM
It varies all the time. I am very popular!
If your site was very popular, then it would be getting >10,000 hits a day, not a month.
Thanks for not asking a twerp question, as usual, but just adding a twerp opinion.

IMHO >10 000 visitors/month to study my findings at my website is quite good. Even better is that I can improve my website all the time by input from my audience.

And note that I don't ask for money or put stupid adverts on my web pages.

It is a little hobby of mine apart from tennis in the morning, swimming in the Med in the afternoon, babysitting when required and trying to improve my Japanese language. It is a bit rusty since my 1972/6 work there. You have to do something everyday apart from work. So my business is doing fine. Plenty of new projects.  And my mother who is 98 is also fine. I just chatted with her on the phone. Her voice sounds like she is 60.

She is the origine of my career on the Internet. 1994 a ship sank killing ~1000 innocent people in the Baltic. I was then associated with transporting 1 000 000's of people on similar ships, so my mother became concerned. Is it really safe? she asked. When I publicly said it was safe unless civil servants, politicians, university experts invented something else ... I got problemes. And there we are today.

Main Stream Media must of course say that it is dangerous to travel by sea and that is all my fault ... so what can I do?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on October 04, 2017, 11:14:11 AM
It varies all the time. I am very popular!
If your site was very popular, then it would be getting >10,000 hits a day, not a month.
Thanks for not asking a twerp question, as usual, but just adding a twerp opinion.

IMHO >10 000 visitors/month to study my findings at my website is quite good. Even better is that I can improve my website all the time by input from my audience.
What you don't seem to understand is that many of those >10,000 visitors/month are just spiders from different search engines indexing your site.  In other words, you aren't getting as many human visitors as you think.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on October 04, 2017, 12:21:19 PM
It varies all the time. I am very popular!
If your site was very popular, then it would be getting >10,000 hits a day, not a month.
Thanks for not asking a twerp question, as usual, but just adding a twerp opinion.

IMHO >10 000 visitors/month to study my findings at my website is quite good. Even better is that I can improve my website all the time by input from my audience.
What you don't seem to understand is that many of those >10,000 visitors/month are just spiders from different search engines indexing your site.  In other words, you aren't getting as many human visitors as you think.

Spiders!?!? You are a twerp. My software recording visitors just ignore spiders. Pls, go away, markjo. You are sick.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: RocketSauce on October 05, 2017, 08:41:01 AM
Heiwa, you ignorant slut.


HA!!!


BTW, I do absolutely love when someone claims something is utterly impossible.


Using math, and stats to explain why manned space flight is utterly impossible, all the while pushing a flat earth...

I've said it before, and again..... If the Earth is Flat, that arguing equations about space flight or moon landings is not even necessary.... To say, my equations don't match with fuel and trajectory... It doesn't matter... so why are you going this far in depth...

It would be like arguing the forces that Superman can achieve while in flight... Superman isn't real, so why would you apply mathematical equations to him?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: markjo on October 05, 2017, 11:47:12 AM
Just as an FYI:  Anders is not an FE'er.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: RocketSauce on October 05, 2017, 11:54:37 AM
Anders?


Or Heiwa.... ??
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: markjo on October 05, 2017, 12:02:06 PM
Anders?


Or Heiwa.... ??
Same person.  According to his "popular" web site, his real name is Anders Björkman.  Since he keeps flogging the site, I don't consider it to be an inappropriate use of personal information to use his real name.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: RocketSauce on October 05, 2017, 12:25:51 PM
so... if he is not a flat earther...

....is he here because he needs a friend?

Maybe a big ol' hug? a pat on the back... a buddy...

I'm sure that he's not afraid to be by myself but he just needs somebody to love...
-Blues Brothers

I had a friend, she once told me, You got love, you ain't lonely, Now she's gone and left me only speculating about flat earths.
So anytime somebody needs you, don't let them down, although it grieves you,
-Led Zeppelin

What would you do if i sang out a tune....


Everybody needs a helping hand Take a look at your fellow man And tell me what can I do today
'Cause everybody needs a helping out If that ain't what it's all about


I'm just saying... maybe instead of flat earth and global conspiracies.... a friend at a bar would ease your pain
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: frenat on October 05, 2017, 12:38:15 PM
He's here for the attention.  That is why he resurrects dead threads after people stop responding.  That is why he spams his website and brags about the paltry number of hits.  That is why he constantly mentions his fraudulent challenges that nobody cares about.  All signs of his narcissism.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: RocketSauce on October 05, 2017, 12:42:01 PM
poor guy :(

I feel bad for him....  :'(
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: markjo on October 05, 2017, 01:07:47 PM
so... if he is not a flat earther...

....is he here because he needs a friend?
As I recall, he's here because some FE'er linked to his site in a moon landing hoax thread or some such nonsense.  Somehow or other he got wind of it and has been here ever since.  This is one of the very few forums where he hasn't been banned for sheer stupidity and/or membrating.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Crouton on October 05, 2017, 01:16:10 PM
He's here for the attention.  That is why he resurrects dead threads after people stop responding.  That is why he spams his website and brags about the paltry number of hits.  That is why he constantly mentions his fraudulent challenges that nobody cares about.  All signs of his narcissism.

False.

He's here to drive up views on his webpage for ad revenue.  Heiwa is a simple man with a simple dream; to bring in enough ad money on his website so that he doesn't have to eat cat food.  Or at least to upgrade from dry cat food to wet cat food.  Maybe even Fancy Feast for special occasions!

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/VyaUxTVZ6jk/maxresdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on October 05, 2017, 01:49:13 PM
I once posted Anders's facebook page. What a glorious day it was.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: frenat on October 05, 2017, 01:50:49 PM
I once posted Anders's facebook page. What a glorious day it was.
A previous poster showed that the building Anders claims to live in is public housing.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on October 05, 2017, 02:03:08 PM
He's here because most of the truther/conspiracy sites have banned him and AE911 went so far as to completely remove his profile.

He knows he's not likely to be banned here.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on October 05, 2017, 02:13:33 PM
I read his thread on apollohaox.net. It utterly satisfying to see him get his ass handed to him by actual experts.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: RocketSauce on October 05, 2017, 02:18:29 PM
he is nothing if not tenacious...


do you think he goes outside for walks?  Or is he like "Saul Goodman's" brother covered in aluminum foil because of the EMT waves
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on October 05, 2017, 02:24:05 PM
I think his home health nurse takes him out for a walk to use the bathroom once or twice a day.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: RocketSauce on October 05, 2017, 02:25:42 PM
I feel bad for him...
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on October 05, 2017, 03:01:47 PM
I feel bad for the nurse that has to change his diaper every morning.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on October 06, 2017, 10:05:12 AM
I feel bad for the nurse that has to change his diaper every morning.
You sound being obsessed with poop. You are not alone. Many twerps do it, too. Only thinking shit.

Luckily I am fine. Still goodlooking, rich and in very good shape. Today's physical exercise was a swim in the Mediterranean Sea just outside my office ... after lunch. Just dive into it. Quite big waves ... scary ... but fun.
You sound like all these losers at FEF that has nothing else to do than moan and groan. Why don't take a cold shower? Do you have running water?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on October 06, 2017, 10:53:07 AM
FYI "Swim in the Mediterranean" is the nurse's code for getting hoisted into the bath. "In good shape" is relative, and in this particular case means able to walk from his room to the common room unassisted unlike many of his co-residents.

Just thought I would clear that up for everyone.  :D
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Pezevenk on October 06, 2017, 11:25:01 AM
FYI "Swim in the Mediterranean" is the nurse's code for getting hoisted into the bath.

I thought it was code for his psychiatric hydrotherapy.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on October 06, 2017, 11:37:13 AM
Don't make risk getting a bam to post your facebook again, Anders Bjorkman.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on October 06, 2017, 11:46:37 AM
FYI "Swim in the Mediterranean" is the nurse's code for getting hoisted into the bath. "In good shape" is relative, and in this particular case means able to walk from his room to the common room unassisted unlike many of his co-residents.

Just thought I would clear that up for everyone.  :D

Are you sane? Pls provide some medical evidence.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: RocketSauce on October 06, 2017, 12:04:46 PM
I hope you get well Heiwa...

I'm going to stop being critical of your ideas, it's not healthy to feed into all of this...


Have a good one!
Be well
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on October 06, 2017, 12:12:23 PM
I hope you get well Heiwa...

I'm going to stop being critical of your ideas, it's not healthy to feed into all of this...


Have a good one!
Be well
Thanks! Luckily I am well. But I have doubts about the twerps swarming around here like sick, fat flies.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Badxtoss on October 06, 2017, 02:48:05 PM
I hope you get well Heiwa...

I'm going to stop being critical of your ideas, it's not healthy to feed into all of this...


Have a good one!
Be well
You know, this is probably a good approach.  Clearly he is very sick.  I shouldn't be so critical of him.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Bullwinkle on October 06, 2017, 05:25:27 PM
I would love to get him drunk and take him to a museum.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on October 06, 2017, 06:16:10 PM
Good idea Moose. The old guy needs to get out and have a little fun once in a while.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Bullwinkle on October 06, 2017, 11:27:21 PM
30 or so years ago a buddy and I went down to San Diego's  Balboa_Park (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balboa_Park_(San_Diego)).
Saturday in the sun. Got drunk and wondered into the Museum of Photographic Arts.

We played critic way too loud.

"I enjoy how he didn't bother to compose the image."
"It takes special skill to demonstrate a short f/stop with a wide angle lens."
"This sunset says sunset more than those other sunset pictures."

There was a wall of nudes.

My buddy says, "NICE TITS !!!"

We got escorted out.






Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on October 06, 2017, 11:40:43 PM
30 or so years ago a buddy and I went down to San Diego's  Balboa_Park (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balboa_Park_(San_Diego)).
Saturday in the sun. Got drunk and wondered into the Museum of Photographic Arts.

We played critic way too loud.

"I enjoy how he didn't bother to compose the image."
"It takes special skill to demonstrate a short f/stop with a wide angle lens."
"This sunset says sunset more than those other sunset pictures."

There was a wall of nudes.

My buddy says, "NICE TITS !!!"

We got escorted out.

You got drunk in a park? On a bench, I assume. Couldn't afford a smoky bar! Did you steel the booze in a shop? Well, that's a poor life?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Bullwinkle on October 07, 2017, 12:22:26 AM
We had spent all morning volunteering at a local hospital giving CPR to children dying of heart failure.
Two of them were missing brow visors.
We needed some 'me' time.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on October 07, 2017, 01:53:20 AM
We had spent all morning volunteering at a local hospital giving CPR to children dying of heart failure.
Two of them were missing brow visors.
We needed some 'me' time.
Boozing on a bench in a park. You are a loser!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Bullwinkle on October 07, 2017, 02:18:16 AM
We had spent all morning volunteering at a local hospital giving CPR to children dying of heart failure.
Two of them were missing brow visors.
We needed some 'me' time.
Boozing on a bench in a park. You are a loser!


Park bench? I'll have you know we were walking around refilling classy flasks with a jug of tequila we had cleverly stashed in a ratty old back pack.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on October 07, 2017, 03:32:27 AM
We had spent all morning volunteering at a local hospital giving CPR to children dying of heart failure.
Two of them were missing brow visors.
We needed some 'me' time.
Boozing on a bench in a park. You are a loser!


Park bench? I'll have you know we were walking around refilling classy flasks with a jug of tequila we had cleverly stashed in a ratty old back pack.
Walking in a park drinking stolen tequila! Why not? You are like the Norwegian Nobel Prize Committée yesterday giving out the prize to people believing in fake a-bombs - http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm . They must have been drunk as usual.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Bullwinkle on October 07, 2017, 03:44:37 AM
We had spent all morning volunteering at a local hospital giving CPR to children dying of heart failure.
Two of them were missing brow visors.
We needed some 'me' time.
Boozing on a bench in a park. You are a loser!


Park bench? I'll have you know we were walking around refilling classy flasks with a jug of tequila we had cleverly stashed in a ratty old back pack.
Walking in a park drinking stolen tequila! Why not? You are like the Norwegian Nobel Prize Committée yesterday giving out the prize to people believing in fake a-bombs - http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm (http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm) . They must have been drunk as usual.

No, we did not steal tequila. We robbed a tourist for money to buy the tequila.

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Pezevenk on October 07, 2017, 05:35:14 AM
Lol this is great.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on October 07, 2017, 07:44:54 AM
Lol this is great.

What is great?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on October 07, 2017, 07:49:02 AM
Lol this is great.

What is great?

Your inability to grasp any kind of concept about anything.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on October 07, 2017, 08:41:27 AM
Lol this is great.

What is great?

Your inability to grasp any kind of concept about anything.

It sound serious. You must be joking or are another loser twerp.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: rabinoz on October 08, 2017, 12:19:59 AM
Lol this is great.

What is great?

Your inability to grasp any kind of concept about anything.

It sound serious. You must be joking or are another loser twerp.
No, just one of the many that recognise:
;D Your inability to grasp any kind of concept about anything. ;D

 :P Of course, everyone understands perfectly that if Heiwa can't uderstand something,  it must be impossible!  :P
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on October 08, 2017, 02:02:14 AM
Lol this is great.

What is great?

Your inability to grasp any kind of concept about anything.

It sound serious. You must be joking or are another loser twerp.
No, just one of the many that recognise:
;D Your inability to grasp any kind of concept about anything. ;D

 :P Of course, everyone understands perfectly that if Heiwa can't uderstand something,  it must be impossible!  :P

Well, you confirm you are another loser twerp. Like Donald Trump being worried about little 'rocket man'. Unable to grasp that nuclear weapons and intercontinental missiles (and human space travel) do not work at all. I explain why since many years at my popular website ... and plenty twerps get upset about it. They should instead get happy! But no, they moan and groan that they cannot wipe out the enemy in a FLASH or fly to the Moon or Mars. It is sad so I must ROTFL.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on October 08, 2017, 04:31:12 AM
Lol this is great.

What is great?

Your inability to grasp any kind of concept about anything.

It sound serious. You must be joking or are another loser twerp.
No, just one of the many that recognise:
;D Your inability to grasp any kind of concept about anything. ;D

 :P Of course, everyone understands perfectly that if Heiwa can't uderstand something,  it must be impossible!  :P

Well, you confirm you are another loser twerp. Like Donald Trump being worried about little 'rocket man'. Unable to grasp that nuclear weapons and intercontinental missiles (and human space travel) do not work at all. I explain why since many years at my popular website ... and plenty twerps get upset about it. They should instead get happy! But no, they moan and groan that they cannot wipe out the enemy in a FLASH or fly to the Moon or Mars. It is sad so I must ROTFL.
Get well soon you poor idiot.   
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on October 08, 2017, 06:53:48 AM
Lol this is great.

What is great?

Your inability to grasp any kind of concept about anything.

It sound serious. You must be joking or are another loser twerp.
No, just one of the many that recognise:
;D Your inability to grasp any kind of concept about anything. ;D

 :P Of course, everyone understands perfectly that if Heiwa can't uderstand something,  it must be impossible!  :P

Well, you confirm you are another loser twerp. Like Donald Trump being worried about little 'rocket man'. Unable to grasp that nuclear weapons and intercontinental missiles (and human space travel) do not work at all. I explain why since many years at my popular website ... and plenty twerps get upset about it. They should instead get happy! But no, they moan and groan that they cannot wipe out the enemy in a FLASH or fly to the Moon or Mars. It is sad so I must ROTFL.
And, you're a confirmed liar.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on October 08, 2017, 07:20:40 AM
Lol this is great.

What is great?

Your inability to grasp any kind of concept about anything.

It sound serious. You must be joking or are another loser twerp.
No, just one of the many that recognise:
;D Your inability to grasp any kind of concept about anything. ;D

 :P Of course, everyone understands perfectly that if Heiwa can't uderstand something,  it must be impossible!  :P

Well, you confirm you are another loser twerp. Like Donald Trump being worried about little 'rocket man'. Unable to grasp that nuclear weapons and intercontinental missiles (and human space travel) do not work at all. I explain why since many years at my popular website ... and plenty twerps get upset about it. They should instead get happy! But no, they moan and groan that they cannot wipe out the enemy in a FLASH or fly to the Moon or Mars. It is sad so I must ROTFL.
And, you're a confirmed liar.
Hm, my CV is at http://heiwaco.com/cv.htm . Quite good, isn't it ... and no lying.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on October 08, 2017, 07:22:37 AM
Lol this is great.

What is great?

Your inability to grasp any kind of concept about anything.

It sound serious. You must be joking or are another loser twerp.
No, just one of the many that recognise:
;D Your inability to grasp any kind of concept about anything. ;D

 :P Of course, everyone understands perfectly that if Heiwa can't uderstand something,  it must be impossible!  :P

Well, you confirm you are another loser twerp. Like Donald Trump being worried about little 'rocket man'. Unable to grasp that nuclear weapons and intercontinental missiles (and human space travel) do not work at all. I explain why since many years at my popular website ... and plenty twerps get upset about it. They should instead get happy! But no, they moan and groan that they cannot wipe out the enemy in a FLASH or fly to the Moon or Mars. It is sad so I must ROTFL.
And, you're a confirmed liar.
Hm, my CV is at http://heiwaco.com/cv.htm . Quite good, isn't it ... and no lying.
Nope.  Don't believe it's true.  You don't even understand the basic laws of motion and you want us to believe you're an engineer.

You've lied about other things why not this too?

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on October 08, 2017, 10:37:54 AM
Hm,

Ah, the classic Heiwa "Hm,". Beautiful.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on October 08, 2017, 02:11:27 PM
Lol this is great.

What is great?

Your inability to grasp any kind of concept about anything.

It sound serious. You must be joking or are another loser twerp.
No, just one of the many that recognise:
;D Your inability to grasp any kind of concept about anything. ;D

 :P Of course, everyone understands perfectly that if Heiwa can't uderstand something,  it must be impossible!  :P

Well, you confirm you are another loser twerp. Like Donald Trump being worried about little 'rocket man'. Unable to grasp that nuclear weapons and intercontinental missiles (and human space travel) do not work at all. I explain why since many years at my popular website ... and plenty twerps get upset about it. They should instead get happy! But no, they moan and groan that they cannot wipe out the enemy in a FLASH or fly to the Moon or Mars. It is sad so I must ROTFL.
And, you're a confirmed liar.
Hm, my CV is at http://heiwaco.com/cv.htm . Quite good, isn't it ... and no lying.
Nope.  Don't believe it's true.  You don't even understand the basic laws of motion and you want us to believe you're an engineer.

You've lied about other things why not this too?

Mike

Mikerobrain, did you read my CV at http://heiwaco.com/cv.htm ? Re topic - orbital mechanics - we all know that planet Earth orbits the Sun in 365 days, while the Moon orbits the Earth in 28 days.

Now the problem - your spacecraft - orbiting Earth (don't ask me, how it got there) shall fly from orbiting planet Earth (orbiting the Sun) to the Moon (orbiting Earth) and land there. So what trajectory do you take?
(http://heiwaco.tripod.com/AP11el.gif)
Do you take the shortest, fastest, straight trajectory or a slower more curved one as shown in picture above. And is your spacecraft orbiting anything during the trip? And what force do you apply to get out of orbit Earth? And how much fuel do you use? And how did you get that fuel into space? And how do you stop at the end of the trip.

Show that you know basic orbital mechanics!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on October 08, 2017, 04:53:39 PM
Lol this is great.

What is great?

Your inability to grasp any kind of concept about anything.

It sound serious. You must be joking or are another loser twerp.
No, just one of the many that recognise:
;D Your inability to grasp any kind of concept about anything. ;D

 :P Of course, everyone understands perfectly that if Heiwa can't uderstand something,  it must be impossible!  :P

Well, you confirm you are another loser twerp. Like Donald Trump being worried about little 'rocket man'. Unable to grasp that nuclear weapons and intercontinental missiles (and human space travel) do not work at all. I explain why since many years at my popular website ... and plenty twerps get upset about it. They should instead get happy! But no, they moan and groan that they cannot wipe out the enemy in a FLASH or fly to the Moon or Mars. It is sad so I must ROTFL.
And, you're a confirmed liar.
Hm, my CV is at http://heiwaco.com/cv.htm . Quite good, isn't it ... and no lying.
Nope.  Don't believe it's true.  You don't even understand the basic laws of motion and you want us to believe you're an engineer.

You've lied about other things why not this too?

Mike

Mikerobrain, did you read my CV at http://heiwaco.com/cv.htm ? Re topic - orbital mechanics - we all know that planet Earth orbits the Sun in 365 days, while the Moon orbits the Earth in 28 days.

Now the problem - your spacecraft - orbiting Earth (don't ask me, how it got there) shall fly from orbiting planet Earth (orbiting the Sun) to the Moon (orbiting Earth) and land there. So what trajectory do you take?
(http://heiwaco.tripod.com/AP11el.gif)
Do you take the shortest, fastest, straight trajectory or a slower more curved one as shown in picture above. And is your spacecraft orbiting anything during the trip? And what force do you apply to get out of orbit Earth? And how much fuel do you use? And how did you get that fuel into space? And how do you stop at the end of the trip.

Show that you know basic orbital mechanics!
You've already proven that explanations of how that works is lost on you.  You must be one of the worst engineers in history because you don’t comprehend the basic laws of motion.  Therefore, discussing this with you is a lost cause because you wouldn’t understand.

Mike



Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on October 08, 2017, 08:11:37 PM

Mikerobrain, did you read my CV at http://heiwaco.com/cv.htm ? Re topic - orbital mechanics - we all know that planet Earth orbits the Sun in 365 days, while the Moon orbits the Earth in 28 days.

Now the problem - your spacecraft - orbiting Earth (don't ask me, how it got there) shall fly from orbiting planet Earth (orbiting the Sun) to the Moon (orbiting Earth) and land there. So what trajectory do you take?
(http://heiwaco.tripod.com/AP11el.gif)
Do you take the shortest, fastest, straight trajectory or a slower more curved one as shown in picture above. And is your spacecraft orbiting anything during the trip? And what force do you apply to get out of orbit Earth? And how much fuel do you use? And how did you get that fuel into space? And how do you stop at the end of the trip.

Show that you know basic orbital mechanics!
You've already proven that explanations of how that works is lost on you.  You must be one of the worst engineers in history because you don’t comprehend the basic laws of motion.  Therefore, discussing this with you is a lost cause because you wouldn’t understand.

Mike

It seems you know as much about orbital mechanics as a twerp.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Bullwinkle on October 08, 2017, 08:32:17 PM
If you replace 'twerp' with "[my] caretaker", Heiwa is hilarious.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on October 08, 2017, 11:30:52 PM
If you replace 'twerp' with "[my] caretaker", Heiwa is hilarious.

You sound like having no ideas about orbital mechanics. Let me try:

(http://heiwaco.com/AP11el.gif)

What trajectory do you prefer going to the Moon - straight, curved or very curved?
And how long does it take?
And what happens if you miss the Moon for any reasons?
Twerps say it is very easy to go the Moon.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on October 09, 2017, 06:58:26 AM
If you replace 'twerp' with "[my] caretaker", Heiwa is hilarious.

You sound like having no ideas about orbital mechanics. Let me try:

(http://heiwaco.com/AP11el.gif)

What trajectory do you prefer going to the Moon - straight, curved or very curved?
And how long does it take?
And what happens if you miss the Moon for any reasons?
Twerps say it is very easy to go the Moon.
Then you must be a twerp because you're the only one here suggesting that going to the moon is easy.  Everyone else is saying that it's very hard, but very hard does not mean that it's impossible.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on October 09, 2017, 07:41:48 AM
There may be hope yet, he is finally spelling twerp right.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on October 09, 2017, 07:51:39 AM
If you replace 'twerp' with "[my] caretaker", Heiwa is hilarious.

You sound like having no ideas about orbital mechanics. Let me try:

(http://heiwaco.com/AP11el.gif)

What trajectory do you prefer going to the Moon - straight, curved or very curved?
And how long does it take?
And what happens if you miss the Moon for any reasons?
Twerps say it is very easy to go the Moon.
Then you must be a twerp because you're the only one here suggesting that going to the moon is easy.  Everyone else is saying that it's very hard, but very hard does not mean that it's impossible.
You really must study post #1 of this thread where a twerp proposes how simple a manned Moon trip is; you just orbit Earth in a spacecraft and fires a rocket and your orbit becomes elliptical and POUFF you are at the Moon. And here we are 2030 posts later and nobody can show what force is required and how much fuel is used, etc.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on October 09, 2017, 08:34:29 AM
If you replace 'twerp' with "[my] caretaker", Heiwa is hilarious.

You sound like having no ideas about orbital mechanics. Let me try:

(http://heiwaco.com/AP11el.gif)

What trajectory do you prefer going to the Moon - straight, curved or very curved?
And how long does it take?
And what happens if you miss the Moon for any reasons?
Twerps say it is very easy to go the Moon.
Then you must be a twerp because you're the only one here suggesting that going to the moon is easy.  Everyone else is saying that it's very hard, but very hard does not mean that it's impossible.
You really must study post #1 of this thread where a twerp proposes how simple a manned Moon trip is; you just orbit Earth in a spacecraft and fires a rocket and your orbit becomes elliptical and POUFF you are at the Moon. And here we are 2030 posts later and nobody can show what force is required and how much fuel is used, etc.
Simple is not the same as easy. 
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on October 09, 2017, 10:54:54 AM
If you replace 'twerp' with "[my] caretaker", Heiwa is hilarious.

You sound like having no ideas about orbital mechanics. Let me try:

(http://heiwaco.com/AP11el.gif)

What trajectory do you prefer going to the Moon - straight, curved or very curved?
And how long does it take?
And what happens if you miss the Moon for any reasons?
Twerps say it is very easy to go the Moon.
Then you must be a twerp because you're the only one here suggesting that going to the moon is easy.  Everyone else is saying that it's very hard, but very hard does not mean that it's impossible.
You really must study post #1 of this thread where a twerp proposes how simple a manned Moon trip is; you just orbit Earth in a spacecraft and fires a rocket and your orbit becomes elliptical and POUFF you are at the Moon. And here we are 2030 posts later and nobody can show what force is required and how much fuel is used, etc.
Simple is not the same as easy.
Simple is (1) un-mixed, (2) plain, (3) not highly developed, (4) easily done or understood, (5) innocent, straightforward, (6) inexperienced, (7) with nothing added, etc, etc, according my dictionary.
Easy is (1) not difficult, (2) free from pain, etc, (3) not much in demand (concerning money, commerce, etc), etc, etc.
So you are right. Even twerps can be right! But not when we discuss orbital mechanics.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on October 09, 2017, 12:10:02 PM
If you replace 'twerp' with "[my] caretaker", Heiwa is hilarious.

You sound like having no ideas about orbital mechanics. Let me try:

(http://heiwaco.com/AP11el.gif)

What trajectory do you prefer going to the Moon - straight, curved or very curved?
And how long does it take?
And what happens if you miss the Moon for any reasons?
Twerps say it is very easy to go the Moon.
Then you must be a twerp because you're the only one here suggesting that going to the moon is easy.  Everyone else is saying that it's very hard, but very hard does not mean that it's impossible.
You really must study post #1 of this thread where a twerp proposes how simple a manned Moon trip is; you just orbit Earth in a spacecraft and fires a rocket and your orbit becomes elliptical and POUFF you are at the Moon. And here we are 2030 posts later and nobody can show what force is required and how much fuel is used, etc.
Simple is not the same as easy.
Simple is (1) un-mixed, (2) plain, (3) not highly developed, (4) easily done or understood, (5) innocent, straightforward, (6) inexperienced, (7) with nothing added, etc, etc, according my dictionary.
Easy is (1) not difficult, (2) free from pain, etc, (3) not much in demand (concerning money, commerce, etc), etc, etc.
So you are right. Even twerps can be right! But not when we discuss orbital mechanics.

You might want to study module 4 of the following link.  I might help you understand motion.

http://www.navsea.navy.mil/Portals/103/Documents/NNPTC/Physics/doe_phys.pdf

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on October 09, 2017, 09:48:21 PM
If you replace 'twerp' with "[my] caretaker", Heiwa is hilarious.

You sound like having no ideas about orbital mechanics. Let me try:

(http://heiwaco.com/AP11el.gif)

What trajectory do you prefer going to the Moon - straight, curved or very curved?
And how long does it take?
And what happens if you miss the Moon for any reasons?
Twerps say it is very easy to go the Moon.
Then you must be a twerp because you're the only one here suggesting that going to the moon is easy.  Everyone else is saying that it's very hard, but very hard does not mean that it's impossible.
You really must study post #1 of this thread where a twerp proposes how simple a manned Moon trip is; you just orbit Earth in a spacecraft and fires a rocket and your orbit becomes elliptical and POUFF you are at the Moon. And here we are 2030 posts later and nobody can show what force is required and how much fuel is used, etc.
Simple is not the same as easy.
Simple is (1) un-mixed, (2) plain, (3) not highly developed, (4) easily done or understood, (5) innocent, straightforward, (6) inexperienced, (7) with nothing added, etc, etc, according my dictionary.
Easy is (1) not difficult, (2) free from pain, etc, (3) not much in demand (concerning money, commerce, etc), etc, etc.
So you are right. Even twerps can be right! But not when we discuss orbital mechanics.

You might want to study module 4 of the following link.  I might help you understand motion.

http://www.navsea.navy.mil/Portals/103/Documents/NNPTC/Physics/doe_phys.pdf

Mike
LOL - so what force (N) is required to catapult a spacecraft with a certain mass (kg) and velocity (m/s) from orbit Earth to reach the Moon and for how long (s), in what direction (°) and when do you apply it?
As (variable) gravity forces always act on your spacecraft, how do you account for them? Aren't they pulling you back to Earth changing your motion?
And what trajectory do you chose - straight, curved or very curved?
And how long does your trip take?  A day, a week, a month?
Not one NASA twerp has been able to answer above. And I have asked several.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: RocketSauce on October 10, 2017, 10:51:20 AM
this is absolutely boring...


if the earth is flat, then this line of argument is null and void....
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on October 10, 2017, 12:03:16 PM
If you replace 'twerp' with "[my] caretaker", Heiwa is hilarious.

You sound like having no ideas about orbital mechanics. Let me try:

(http://heiwaco.com/AP11el.gif)

What trajectory do you prefer going to the Moon - straight, curved or very curved?
And how long does it take?
And what happens if you miss the Moon for any reasons?
Twerps say it is very easy to go the Moon.
Then you must be a twerp because you're the only one here suggesting that going to the moon is easy.  Everyone else is saying that it's very hard, but very hard does not mean that it's impossible.
You really must study post #1 of this thread where a twerp proposes how simple a manned Moon trip is; you just orbit Earth in a spacecraft and fires a rocket and your orbit becomes elliptical and POUFF you are at the Moon. And here we are 2030 posts later and nobody can show what force is required and how much fuel is used, etc.
Simple is not the same as easy.
Simple is (1) un-mixed, (2) plain, (3) not highly developed, (4) easily done or understood, (5) innocent, straightforward, (6) inexperienced, (7) with nothing added, etc, etc, according my dictionary.
Easy is (1) not difficult, (2) free from pain, etc, (3) not much in demand (concerning money, commerce, etc), etc, etc.
So you are right. Even twerps can be right! But not when we discuss orbital mechanics.

You might want to study module 4 of the following link.  I might help you understand motion.

http://www.navsea.navy.mil/Portals/103/Documents/NNPTC/Physics/doe_phys.pdf

Mike
LOL - so what force (N) is required to catapult a spacecraft with a certain mass (kg) and velocity (m/s) from orbit Earth to reach the Moon and for how long (s), in what direction (°) and when do you apply it?
As (variable) gravity forces always act on your spacecraft, how do you account for them? Aren't they pulling you back to Earth changing your motion?
And what trajectory do you chose - straight, curved or very curved?
And how long does your trip take?  A day, a week, a month?
Not one NASA twerp has been able to answer above. And I have asked several.
https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11fltpln_final_reformat.pdf
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on October 10, 2017, 01:41:35 PM
He won't read it and claim it is all a lie by NASA.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on October 10, 2017, 02:11:31 PM
If you replace 'twerp' with "[my] caretaker", Heiwa is hilarious.

You sound like having no ideas about orbital mechanics. Let me try:

(http://heiwaco.com/AP11el.gif)

What trajectory do you prefer going to the Moon - straight, curved or very curved?
And how long does it take?
And what happens if you miss the Moon for any reasons?
Twerps say it is very easy to go the Moon.
Then you must be a twerp because you're the only one here suggesting that going to the moon is easy.  Everyone else is saying that it's very hard, but very hard does not mean that it's impossible.
You really must study post #1 of this thread where a twerp proposes how simple a manned Moon trip is; you just orbit Earth in a spacecraft and fires a rocket and your orbit becomes elliptical and POUFF you are at the Moon. And here we are 2030 posts later and nobody can show what force is required and how much fuel is used, etc.
Simple is not the same as easy.
Simple is (1) un-mixed, (2) plain, (3) not highly developed, (4) easily done or understood, (5) innocent, straightforward, (6) inexperienced, (7) with nothing added, etc, etc, according my dictionary.
Easy is (1) not difficult, (2) free from pain, etc, (3) not much in demand (concerning money, commerce, etc), etc, etc.
So you are right. Even twerps can be right! But not when we discuss orbital mechanics.

You might want to study module 4 of the following link.  I might help you understand motion.

http://www.navsea.navy.mil/Portals/103/Documents/NNPTC/Physics/doe_phys.pdf

Mike
LOL - so what force (N) is required to catapult a spacecraft with a certain mass (kg) and velocity (m/s) from orbit Earth to reach the Moon and for how long (s), in what direction (°) and when do you apply it?
As (variable) gravity forces always act on your spacecraft, how do you account for them? Aren't they pulling you back to Earth changing your motion?
And what trajectory do you chose - straight, curved or very curved?
And how long does your trip take?  A day, a week, a month?
Not one NASA twerp has been able to answer above. And I have asked several.
https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11fltpln_final_reformat.pdf
http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on October 10, 2017, 02:21:45 PM
If you replace 'twerp' with "[my] caretaker", Heiwa is hilarious.

You sound like having no ideas about orbital mechanics. Let me try:

(http://heiwaco.com/AP11el.gif)

What trajectory do you prefer going to the Moon - straight, curved or very curved?
And how long does it take?
And what happens if you miss the Moon for any reasons?
Twerps say it is very easy to go the Moon.
Then you must be a twerp because you're the only one here suggesting that going to the moon is easy.  Everyone else is saying that it's very hard, but very hard does not mean that it's impossible.
You really must study post #1 of this thread where a twerp proposes how simple a manned Moon trip is; you just orbit Earth in a spacecraft and fires a rocket and your orbit becomes elliptical and POUFF you are at the Moon. And here we are 2030 posts later and nobody can show what force is required and how much fuel is used, etc.
Simple is not the same as easy.
Simple is (1) un-mixed, (2) plain, (3) not highly developed, (4) easily done or understood, (5) innocent, straightforward, (6) inexperienced, (7) with nothing added, etc, etc, according my dictionary.
Easy is (1) not difficult, (2) free from pain, etc, (3) not much in demand (concerning money, commerce, etc), etc, etc.
So you are right. Even twerps can be right! But not when we discuss orbital mechanics.

You might want to study module 4 of the following link.  I might help you understand motion.

http://www.navsea.navy.mil/Portals/103/Documents/NNPTC/Physics/doe_phys.pdf

Mike
LOL - so what force (N) is required to catapult a spacecraft with a certain mass (kg) and velocity (m/s) from orbit Earth to reach the Moon and for how long (s), in what direction (°) and when do you apply it?
As (variable) gravity forces always act on your spacecraft, how do you account for them? Aren't they pulling you back to Earth changing your motion?
And what trajectory do you chose - straight, curved or very curved?
And how long does your trip take?  A day, a week, a month?
Not one NASA twerp has been able to answer above. And I have asked several.
https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11fltpln_final_reformat.pdf
http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm
I knew you wouldn't be able to tell us what's wrong with the Apollo 11 Flight Plan.  Further proof you have no idea what you're talking about.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on October 10, 2017, 02:56:14 PM
If only there were a branch of mathematics that described changing rates in a curved trajectory.....
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on October 10, 2017, 03:12:49 PM
If only there were a branch of mathematics that described changing rates in a curved trajectory.....
Hmmm...if only. ;D
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on October 10, 2017, 03:14:32 PM
And some kind of device that can do all the necessary calculations...
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on October 10, 2017, 03:28:02 PM
And some kind of device that can do all the necessary calculations...
My personal favorite is the HP-48GX but this works too. ;D

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/Vintage_6-Inch_Pickett_Slide_Rule%2C_Model_N600-T_with_Western_Electric_Logo_on_the_Leather_Case%2C_%22Graduate_Engineering_Education_Program%22%2C_Copyright_1962_%288572305700%29.jpg/800px-thumbnail.jpg)
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on October 10, 2017, 11:45:19 PM
If you replace 'twerp' with "[my] caretaker", Heiwa is hilarious.

You sound like having no ideas about orbital mechanics. Let me try:

(http://heiwaco.com/AP11el.gif)

What trajectory do you prefer going to the Moon - straight, curved or very curved?
And how long does it take?
And what happens if you miss the Moon for any reasons?
Twerps say it is very easy to go the Moon.
Then you must be a twerp because you're the only one here suggesting that going to the moon is easy.  Everyone else is saying that it's very hard, but very hard does not mean that it's impossible.
You really must study post #1 of this thread where a twerp proposes how simple a manned Moon trip is; you just orbit Earth in a spacecraft and fires a rocket and your orbit becomes elliptical and POUFF you are at the Moon. And here we are 2030 posts later and nobody can show what force is required and how much fuel is used, etc.
Simple is not the same as easy.
Simple is (1) un-mixed, (2) plain, (3) not highly developed, (4) easily done or understood, (5) innocent, straightforward, (6) inexperienced, (7) with nothing added, etc, etc, according my dictionary.
Easy is (1) not difficult, (2) free from pain, etc, (3) not much in demand (concerning money, commerce, etc), etc, etc.
So you are right. Even twerps can be right! But not when we discuss orbital mechanics.

You might want to study module 4 of the following link.  I might help you understand motion.

http://www.navsea.navy.mil/Portals/103/Documents/NNPTC/Physics/doe_phys.pdf

Mike
LOL - so what force (N) is required to catapult a spacecraft with a certain mass (kg) and velocity (m/s) from orbit Earth to reach the Moon and for how long (s), in what direction (°) and when do you apply it?
As (variable) gravity forces always act on your spacecraft, how do you account for them? Aren't they pulling you back to Earth changing your motion?
And what trajectory do you chose - straight, curved or very curved?
And how long does your trip take?  A day, a week, a month?
Not one NASA twerp has been able to answer above. And I have asked several.
https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11fltpln_final_reformat.pdf
http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm
I knew you wouldn't be able to tell us what's wrong with the Apollo 11 Flight Plan.  Further proof you have no idea what you're talking about.

Mike

Well, if you study my analysis in the link above of the NASA flight plan you should agree with me that the latter is pure fantasy/fakery.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on October 11, 2017, 03:02:10 AM
If you replace 'twerp' with "[my] caretaker", Heiwa is hilarious.

You sound like having no ideas about orbital mechanics. Let me try:

(http://heiwaco.com/AP11el.gif)

What trajectory do you prefer going to the Moon - straight, curved or very curved?
And how long does it take?
And what happens if you miss the Moon for any reasons?
Twerps say it is very easy to go the Moon.
Then you must be a twerp because you're the only one here suggesting that going to the moon is easy.  Everyone else is saying that it's very hard, but very hard does not mean that it's impossible.
You really must study post #1 of this thread where a twerp proposes how simple a manned Moon trip is; you just orbit Earth in a spacecraft and fires a rocket and your orbit becomes elliptical and POUFF you are at the Moon. And here we are 2030 posts later and nobody can show what force is required and how much fuel is used, etc.
Simple is not the same as easy.
Simple is (1) un-mixed, (2) plain, (3) not highly developed, (4) easily done or understood, (5) innocent, straightforward, (6) inexperienced, (7) with nothing added, etc, etc, according my dictionary.
Easy is (1) not difficult, (2) free from pain, etc, (3) not much in demand (concerning money, commerce, etc), etc, etc.
So you are right. Even twerps can be right! But not when we discuss orbital mechanics.

You might want to study module 4 of the following link.  I might help you understand motion.

http://www.navsea.navy.mil/Portals/103/Documents/NNPTC/Physics/doe_phys.pdf

Mike
LOL - so what force (N) is required to catapult a spacecraft with a certain mass (kg) and velocity (m/s) from orbit Earth to reach the Moon and for how long (s), in what direction (°) and when do you apply it?
As (variable) gravity forces always act on your spacecraft, how do you account for them? Aren't they pulling you back to Earth changing your motion?
And what trajectory do you chose - straight, curved or very curved?
And how long does your trip take?  A day, a week, a month?
Not one NASA twerp has been able to answer above. And I have asked several.
https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11fltpln_final_reformat.pdf
http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm
I knew you wouldn't be able to tell us what's wrong with the Apollo 11 Flight Plan.  Further proof you have no idea what you're talking about.

Mike

Well, if you study my analysis in the link above of the NASA flight plan you should agree with me that the latter is pure fantasy/fakery.
I disagree with you.  This is the full flight plan.  It meets the conditions of your challenge so either disprove it or admit you're wrong.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on October 11, 2017, 03:54:49 AM
If you replace 'twerp' with "[my] caretaker", Heiwa is hilarious.

You sound like having no ideas about orbital mechanics. Let me try:

(http://heiwaco.com/AP11el.gif)

What trajectory do you prefer going to the Moon - straight, curved or very curved?
And how long does it take?
And what happens if you miss the Moon for any reasons?
Twerps say it is very easy to go the Moon.
Then you must be a twerp because you're the only one here suggesting that going to the moon is easy.  Everyone else is saying that it's very hard, but very hard does not mean that it's impossible.
You really must study post #1 of this thread where a twerp proposes how simple a manned Moon trip is; you just orbit Earth in a spacecraft and fires a rocket and your orbit becomes elliptical and POUFF you are at the Moon. And here we are 2030 posts later and nobody can show what force is required and how much fuel is used, etc.
Simple is not the same as easy.
Simple is (1) un-mixed, (2) plain, (3) not highly developed, (4) easily done or understood, (5) innocent, straightforward, (6) inexperienced, (7) with nothing added, etc, etc, according my dictionary.
Easy is (1) not difficult, (2) free from pain, etc, (3) not much in demand (concerning money, commerce, etc), etc, etc.
So you are right. Even twerps can be right! But not when we discuss orbital mechanics.

You might want to study module 4 of the following link.  I might help you understand motion.

http://www.navsea.navy.mil/Portals/103/Documents/NNPTC/Physics/doe_phys.pdf

Mike
LOL - so what force (N) is required to catapult a spacecraft with a certain mass (kg) and velocity (m/s) from orbit Earth to reach the Moon and for how long (s), in what direction (°) and when do you apply it?
As (variable) gravity forces always act on your spacecraft, how do you account for them? Aren't they pulling you back to Earth changing your motion?
And what trajectory do you chose - straight, curved or very curved?
And how long does your trip take?  A day, a week, a month?
Not one NASA twerp has been able to answer above. And I have asked several.
https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11fltpln_final_reformat.pdf
http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm
I knew you wouldn't be able to tell us what's wrong with the Apollo 11 Flight Plan.  Further proof you have no idea what you're talking about.

Mike

Well, if you study my analysis in the link above of the NASA flight plan you should agree with me that the latter is pure fantasy/fakery.
I disagree with you.  This is the full flight plan.  It meets the conditions of your challenge so either disprove it or admit you're wrong.

Mike
Yes, twerps disagree with me. The NASA Apollo 11 plan is nonsense. http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on October 11, 2017, 04:37:54 AM

Well, if you study my analysis in the link above of the NASA flight plan you should agree with me that the latter is pure fantasy/fakery.
I disagree with you.  This is the full flight plan.  It meets the conditions of your challenge so either disprove it or admit you're wrong.

Mike
Yes, twerps disagree with me. The NASA Apollo 11 plan is nonsense. http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm
There it is...the red herring.   

Here’s a fact for you.  The complete flight plan is in that document.  It lays out everything your challenge requires.  You can’t prove it wrong.  So, you just call it nonsense and post a link to your website...the textbook red herring fallacy.

You’re just proving you don’t know what you’re talking about, that you can’t handle the math presented in the Apollo 11 flight plan, and you’re afraid to even try.

Since you clearly don’t understand the Apollo 11 flight plan and certainly can’t show us what information in it you believe to be incorrect, you challenge has been beaten by NASA.

You lose.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on October 11, 2017, 06:09:21 AM
Well, if you study my analysis in the link above of the NASA flight plan you should agree with me that the latter is pure fantasy/fakery.
No, your "analysis" simply shows that manned space flight is very difficult.  Nowhere do you show that it's impossible.  The NASA flight plan, on the other hand, shows how many of those difficulties were overcome.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Badxtoss on October 11, 2017, 06:23:12 AM
If you replace 'twerp' with "[my] caretaker", Heiwa is hilarious.

You sound like having no ideas about orbital mechanics. Let me try:

(http://heiwaco.com/AP11el.gif)

What trajectory do you prefer going to the Moon - straight, curved or very curved?
And how long does it take?
And what happens if you miss the Moon for any reasons?
Twerps say it is very easy to go the Moon.
Then you must be a twerp because you're the only one here suggesting that going to the moon is easy.  Everyone else is saying that it's very hard, but very hard does not mean that it's impossible.
You really must study post #1 of this thread where a twerp proposes how simple a manned Moon trip is; you just orbit Earth in a spacecraft and fires a rocket and your orbit becomes elliptical and POUFF you are at the Moon. And here we are 2030 posts later and nobody can show what force is required and how much fuel is used, etc.
Simple is not the same as easy.
Simple is (1) un-mixed, (2) plain, (3) not highly developed, (4) easily done or understood, (5) innocent, straightforward, (6) inexperienced, (7) with nothing added, etc, etc, according my dictionary.
Easy is (1) not difficult, (2) free from pain, etc, (3) not much in demand (concerning money, commerce, etc), etc, etc.
So you are right. Even twerps can be right! But not when we discuss orbital mechanics.

You might want to study module 4 of the following link.  I might help you understand motion.

http://www.navsea.navy.mil/Portals/103/Documents/NNPTC/Physics/doe_phys.pdf

Mike
LOL - so what force (N) is required to catapult a spacecraft with a certain mass (kg) and velocity (m/s) from orbit Earth to reach the Moon and for how long (s), in what direction (°) and when do you apply it?
As (variable) gravity forces always act on your spacecraft, how do you account for them? Aren't they pulling you back to Earth changing your motion?
And what trajectory do you chose - straight, curved or very curved?
And how long does your trip take?  A day, a week, a month?
Not one NASA twerp has been able to answer above. And I have asked several.
https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11fltpln_final_reformat.pdf
http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm
You asked for information, it was given to you.  Your website says nothing but you don't understand so it must be fake.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on October 11, 2017, 07:32:52 AM

Well, if you study my analysis in the link above of the NASA flight plan you should agree with me that the latter is pure fantasy/fakery.
I disagree with you.  This is the full flight plan.  It meets the conditions of your challenge so either disprove it or admit you're wrong.

Mike
Yes, twerps disagree with me. The NASA Apollo 11 plan is nonsense. http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm
There it is...the red herring.   

Here’s a fact for you.  The complete flight plan is in that document.  It lays out everything your challenge requires.  You can’t prove it wrong.  So, you just call it nonsense and post a link to your website...the textbook red herring fallacy.

You’re just proving you don’t know what you’re talking about, that you can’t handle the math presented in the Apollo 11 flight plan, and you’re afraid to even try.

Since you clearly don’t understand the Apollo 11 flight plan and certainly can’t show us what information in it you believe to be incorrect, you challenge has been beaten by NASA.

You lose.

Mike

Hm, the NASA flight plan does not describe the trajectory between leaving EPO, arriving to "x" and continuing to the Moon and what force was applied to get out of EPO and where, in what direction, when and how long to apply it.
It is just suggsted it was done when the crew was chatting about something else. So the spacecraft was catapulted away out of EPO ... and some checks later confirmed they were heading in the right direction ... that of course changed all the time ... etc, etc. The NASA flight report is fantasy.
To win my Challenge you have to do proper orbital mechanics calculations.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on October 11, 2017, 01:56:17 PM

Well, if you study my analysis in the link above of the NASA flight plan you should agree with me that the latter is pure fantasy/fakery.
I disagree with you.  This is the full flight plan.  It meets the conditions of your challenge so either disprove it or admit you're wrong.

Mike
Yes, twerps disagree with me. The NASA Apollo 11 plan is nonsense. http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm
There it is...the red herring.   

Here’s a fact for you.  The complete flight plan is in that document.  It lays out everything your challenge requires.  You can’t prove it wrong.  So, you just call it nonsense and post a link to your website...the textbook red herring fallacy.

You’re just proving you don’t know what you’re talking about, that you can’t handle the math presented in the Apollo 11 flight plan, and you’re afraid to even try.

Since you clearly don’t understand the Apollo 11 flight plan and certainly can’t show us what information in it you believe to be incorrect, you challenge has been beaten by NASA.

You lose.

Mike

Hm, the NASA flight plan does not describe the trajectory between leaving EPO, arriving to "x" and continuing to the Moon and what force was applied to get out of EPO and where, in what direction, when and how long to apply it.
It is just suggsted it was done when the crew was chatting about something else. So the spacecraft was catapulted away out of EPO ... and some checks later confirmed they were heading in the right direction ... that of course changed all the time ... etc, etc. The NASA flight report is fantasy.
To win my Challenge you have to do proper orbital mechanics calculations.
You're just showing how little you know about how it works.  Everything you need is there.  You have to do a few calculations but it's obviously over your head.

Nice try.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on October 11, 2017, 06:38:23 PM

Well, if you study my analysis in the link above of the NASA flight plan you should agree with me that the latter is pure fantasy/fakery.
I disagree with you.  This is the full flight plan.  It meets the conditions of your challenge so either disprove it or admit you're wrong.

Mike
Yes, twerps disagree with me. The NASA Apollo 11 plan is nonsense. http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm
There it is...the red herring.   

Here’s a fact for you.  The complete flight plan is in that document.  It lays out everything your challenge requires.  You can’t prove it wrong.  So, you just call it nonsense and post a link to your website...the textbook red herring fallacy.

You’re just proving you don’t know what you’re talking about, that you can’t handle the math presented in the Apollo 11 flight plan, and you’re afraid to even try.

Since you clearly don’t understand the Apollo 11 flight plan and certainly can’t show us what information in it you believe to be incorrect, you challenge has been beaten by NASA.

You lose.

Mike

Hm, the NASA flight plan does not describe the trajectory between leaving EPO, arriving to "x" and continuing to the Moon and what force was applied to get out of EPO and where, in what direction, when and how long to apply it.
It is just suggsted it was done when the crew was chatting about something else. So the spacecraft was catapulted away out of EPO ... and some checks later confirmed they were heading in the right direction ... that of course changed all the time ... etc, etc. The NASA flight report is fantasy.
To win my Challenge you have to do proper orbital mechanics calculations.
You're just showing how little you know about how it works.  Everything you need is there.  You have to do a few calculations but it's obviously over your head.

Nice try.

Mike

Well, everything is not there, e.g. the time, location, force applied, its duration and direction, fuel required to get out of EPO to get started. What were the speeds and directions before and after this high speed translunar injection? What kind of orbital dynamics calculations are required to establish the details? It is the topic!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: RocketSauce on October 12, 2017, 08:53:05 AM
Well, everything is not there, e.g. the time, location, force applied, its duration and direction, fuel required to get out of EPO to get started. What were the speeds and directions before and after this high speed translunar injection? What kind of orbital dynamics calculations are required to establish the details? It is the topic!

Ha, I almost posted something that would have engaged me into this lunacy!!!!

That was a close one!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on October 12, 2017, 09:52:38 AM
Well, everything is not there, e.g. the time, location, force applied, its duration and direction, fuel required to get out of EPO to get started. What were the speeds and directions before and after this high speed translunar injection? What kind of orbital dynamics calculations are required to establish the details? It is the topic!

Ha, I almost posted something that would have engaged me into this lunacy!!!!

That was a close one!
Go ahead! Welcome to the twerps against Heiwa/me.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: RocketSauce on October 12, 2017, 10:08:18 AM
yeah...

I had typed out something.... I was a few lines deep... committing myself...  and then.... it was when I hopped on to google to start doing research and I said... WOoo Woo Woo.... Hold your horses.... because I considered going to your website...

Then I called myself an asshole for allowing you to pull me in....

YOU ALMOST GOT ME!!!!!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on October 12, 2017, 10:10:28 AM
yeah...

I had typed out something.... I was a few lines deep... committing myself...  and then.... it was when I hopped on to google to start doing research and I said... WOoo Woo Woo.... Hold your horses.... because I considered going to your website...

Then I called myself an asshole for allowing you to pull me in....

YOU ALMOST GOT ME!!!!!

So what drugs are you on?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on October 12, 2017, 10:20:01 AM
yeah...

I had typed out something.... I was a few lines deep... committing myself...  and then.... it was when I hopped on to google to start doing research and I said... WOoo Woo Woo.... Hold your horses.... because I considered going to your website...

Then I called myself an asshole for allowing you to pull me in....

YOU ALMOST GOT ME!!!!!
If I want to look up something from his site I do it at archive.com.

I get the info I'm looking for and Heiwa doesn't get visits/page views. ;)

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: RocketSauce on October 12, 2017, 10:21:58 AM
I wouldn't want to acknowledge his work in any way....
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on October 12, 2017, 10:24:35 AM
I wouldn't want to acknowledge his work in any way....
OIC
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on October 12, 2017, 10:29:51 AM
I wouldn't want to acknowledge his work in any way....
But what drugs are you on?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: RocketSauce on October 12, 2017, 10:31:55 AM
I have no problem answering it honestly... but I fear I would not receive the same courtesy
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on October 12, 2017, 11:33:37 AM
yeah...

I had typed out something.... I was a few lines deep... committing myself...  and then.... it was when I hopped on to google to start doing research and I said... WOoo Woo Woo.... Hold your horses.... because I considered going to your website...

Then I called myself an asshole for allowing you to pull me in....

YOU ALMOST GOT ME!!!!!

So what drugs are you on?

My brain naturally produces morphine ;)
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: RocketSauce on October 12, 2017, 11:37:49 AM
yeah...

I had typed out something.... I was a few lines deep... committing myself...  and then.... it was when I hopped on to google to start doing research and I said... WOoo Woo Woo.... Hold your horses.... because I considered going to your website...

Then I called myself an asshole for allowing you to pull me in....

YOU ALMOST GOT ME!!!!!

So what drugs are you on?

My brain naturally produces morphine ;)

My body naturally produces DMT
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on October 12, 2017, 12:59:35 PM
Heiwa
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on October 12, 2017, 01:02:38 PM
I just dropped a couple of 2-Acetoxybenzoic acid...party on dudes!

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on October 12, 2017, 01:08:55 PM
Well, I just finished consuming hydrogen hydroxide, so.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: RocketSauce on October 12, 2017, 01:11:28 PM
Anyone know what is in an "Ultra Sunrise" Monster Drink?


That's the truth I'm consuming
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on October 12, 2017, 01:16:11 PM
Anyone know what is in an "Ultra Sunrise" Monster Drink?


That's the truth I'm consuming

Probably pure  cocaine
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: RocketSauce on October 12, 2017, 01:41:17 PM
there is a little orange flavor mixed in there somewhere


(just a little)
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on October 12, 2017, 02:15:10 PM
Anyone know what is in an "Ultra Sunrise" Monster Drink?


That's the truth I'm consuming

Probably pure  cocaine
...and a bucket load of caffeine. ;D
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: RocketSauce on October 12, 2017, 02:27:26 PM
150mg per can it claims....
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on October 12, 2017, 02:31:35 PM
150mg per can it claims....
150 isn't much.  That barely more than a cup of coffee.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on October 14, 2017, 01:43:51 AM
Third - if you manage to arrive at the Moon orbit and the Moon is there, how do you avoid that Moon gravity pulls you down so you crash?
Pretty much the same way that Earth satellites deal with the fact that Earth gravity pulls them down.

This is a reminder that topic is my lack of understanding in orbital mechanics and not the drugs used by some twerps. So your spacecraft is orbiting the Moon ... and you decide to land. OK! So you decide to use another spacecraft for it  - a lander attached to your spacecraft - which undocks ... and lands. Like an eagle. Of course there is no air on the Moon. After having pissed on the Moon you take off again and ... find your spacecraft orbiting the Moon ... and dock with it. Magic. Then you undock the empty lander orbiting the Moon, while you hit the accelerator and return to planet Earth ... and splash down just in front of the POTUS. There are today five eagle landers orbiting the Moon and NASA says you can see them with a sharp telescope. I admit though I cannot understand how they managed to get there.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on October 14, 2017, 05:01:47 AM
Third - if you manage to arrive at the Moon orbit and the Moon is there, how do you avoid that Moon gravity pulls you down so you crash?
Pretty much the same way that Earth satellites deal with the fact that Earth gravity pulls them down.

This is a reminder that topic is my lack of understanding in orbital mechanics and not the drugs used by some twerps. So your spacecraft is orbiting the Moon ... and you decide to land. OK! So you decide to use another spacecraft for it  - a lander attached to your spacecraft - which undocks ... and lands. Like an eagle. Of course there is no air on the Moon. After having pissed on the Moon you take off again and ... find your spacecraft orbiting the Moon ... and dock with it. Magic. Then you undock the empty lander orbiting the Moon, while you hit the accelerator and return to planet Earth ... and splash down just in front of the POTUS. There are today five eagle landers orbiting the Moon and NASA says you can see them with a sharp telescope. I admit though I cannot understand how they managed to get there.
Nope...the title is about your lack of understanding of everything...as proved by your junk science and baseless conclusions of website.  And, of course, your obsession with sanitary systems...poo.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on October 15, 2017, 09:10:52 AM
Third - if you manage to arrive at the Moon orbit and the Moon is there, how do you avoid that Moon gravity pulls you down so you crash?
Pretty much the same way that Earth satellites deal with the fact that Earth gravity pulls them down.

This is a reminder that topic is my lack of understanding in orbital mechanics and not the drugs used by some twerps. So your spacecraft is orbiting the Moon ... and you decide to land. OK! So you decide to use another spacecraft for it  - a lander attached to your spacecraft - which undocks ... and lands. Like an eagle. Of course there is no air on the Moon. After having pissed on the Moon you take off again and ... find your spacecraft orbiting the Moon ... and dock with it. Magic. Then you undock the empty lander orbiting the Moon, while you hit the accelerator and return to planet Earth ... and splash down just in front of the POTUS. There are today five eagle landers orbiting the Moon and NASA says you can see them with a sharp telescope. I admit though I cannot understand how they managed to get there.
Nope...the title is about your lack of understanding of everything...as proved by your junk science and baseless conclusions of website.  And, of course, your obsession with sanitary systems...poo.

Mike

No, topic was my lack of understanding of orbital mechanics (see post #1) and when I then showed my understanding of the matter (post #2) some twerp later changed the topic. This is typical twerp tactics twerps TTTT. It happens to me all the time. You sound like a double TTTT = TTTTTTTT. Go and be ashamed and lock your self up.

So I have to repeat; it seems you don't understand my suggestion #1, i.e. that "no spacecraft of any kind can carry enough fuel for any trip anywhere in space and return safely to Earth". 

My suggestion #2 is that "you cannot predict the trajectory between Earth and the target in space to ensure that the target is there, when you arrive".  It means that you'll miss the target and continue into Universe.

My suggestion #3 is that "you cannot re-enter and land on the rotating Earth after a trip in space". You cannot find the location at the top of the atmosphere above Earth to start any landing attempt and regardless you cannot brake going through the atmosphere, so you are vaporized.

Only twerps think #1, #2 and #3 are possible. That's why they are twerps.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: markjo on October 15, 2017, 11:52:05 AM
Third - if you manage to arrive at the Moon orbit and the Moon is there, how do you avoid that Moon gravity pulls you down so you crash?
Pretty much the same way that Earth satellites deal with the fact that Earth gravity pulls them down.

This is a reminder that topic is my lack of understanding in orbital mechanics and not the drugs used by some twerps. So your spacecraft is orbiting the Moon ... and you decide to land. OK! So you decide to use another spacecraft for it  - a lander attached to your spacecraft - which undocks ... and lands. Like an eagle. Of course there is no air on the Moon. After having pissed on the Moon you take off again and ... find your spacecraft orbiting the Moon ... and dock with it. Magic. Then you undock the empty lander orbiting the Moon, while you hit the accelerator and return to planet Earth ... and splash down just in front of the POTUS. There are today five eagle landers orbiting the Moon and NASA says you can see them with a sharp telescope. I admit though I cannot understand how they managed to get there.
Nope...the title is about your lack of understanding of everything...as proved by your junk science and baseless conclusions of website.  And, of course, your obsession with sanitary systems...poo.

Mike

No, topic was my lack of understanding of orbital mechanics (see post #1) and when I then showed my understanding of the matter (post #2) some twerp later changed the topic. This is typical twerp tactics twerps TTTT. It happens to me all the time. You sound like a double TTTT = TTTTTTTT. Go and be ashamed and lock your self up.

So I have to repeat; it seems you don't understand my suggestion #1, i.e. that "no spacecraft of any kind can carry enough fuel for any trip anywhere in space and return safely to Earth". 

My suggestion #2 is that "you cannot predict the trajectory between Earth and the target in space to ensure that the target is there, when you arrive".  It means that you'll miss the target and continue into Universe.

My suggestion #3 is that "you cannot re-enter and land on the rotating Earth after a trip in space". You cannot find the location at the top of the atmosphere above Earth to start any landing attempt and regardless you cannot brake going through the atmosphere, so you are vaporized.

Only twerps people who understand orbital mechanics think #1, #2 and #3 are possible.
Fixed that for you.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on October 15, 2017, 05:48:47 PM
Third - if you manage to arrive at the Moon orbit and the Moon is there, how do you avoid that Moon gravity pulls you down so you crash?
Pretty much the same way that Earth satellites deal with the fact that Earth gravity pulls them down.

This is a reminder that topic is my lack of understanding in orbital mechanics and not the drugs used by some twerps. So your spacecraft is orbiting the Moon ... and you decide to land. OK! So you decide to use another spacecraft for it  - a lander attached to your spacecraft - which undocks ... and lands. Like an eagle. Of course there is no air on the Moon. After having pissed on the Moon you take off again and ... find your spacecraft orbiting the Moon ... and dock with it. Magic. Then you undock the empty lander orbiting the Moon, while you hit the accelerator and return to planet Earth ... and splash down just in front of the POTUS. There are today five eagle landers orbiting the Moon and NASA says you can see them with a sharp telescope. I admit though I cannot understand how they managed to get there.
Nope...the title is about your lack of understanding of everything...as proved by your junk science and baseless conclusions of website.  And, of course, your obsession with sanitary systems...poo.

Mike

No, topic was my lack of understanding of orbital mechanics (see post #1) and when I then showed my understanding of the matter (post #2) some twerp later changed the topic. This is typical twerp tactics twerps TTTT. It happens to me all the time. You sound like a double TTTT = TTTTTTTT. Go and be ashamed and lock your self up.

So I have to repeat; it seems you don't understand my suggestion #1, i.e. that "no spacecraft of any kind can carry enough fuel for any trip anywhere in space and return safely to Earth". 

My suggestion #2 is that "you cannot predict the trajectory between Earth and the target in space to ensure that the target is there, when you arrive".  It means that you'll miss the target and continue into Universe.

My suggestion #3 is that "you cannot re-enter and land on the rotating Earth after a trip in space". You cannot find the location at the top of the atmosphere above Earth to start any landing attempt and regardless you cannot brake going through the atmosphere, so you are vaporized.

Only twerps think #1, #2 and #3 are possible. That's why they are twerps.
Say what ever you like to make yourself feel better.  Everyone reading these threads knows the truth.  Post all the impolite, name calling, personal attacks you want.  It won't hide the truth and you're the only one believes you're right.  Everyone else knows you for the lying crackpot conspiracy theorist that you really are.

Thanks for playing...

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on October 15, 2017, 10:03:54 PM
Third - if you manage to arrive at the Moon orbit and the Moon is there, how do you avoid that Moon gravity pulls you down so you crash?
Pretty much the same way that Earth satellites deal with the fact that Earth gravity pulls them down.

This is a reminder that topic is my lack of understanding in orbital mechanics and not the drugs used by some twerps. So your spacecraft is orbiting the Moon ... and you decide to land. OK! So you decide to use another spacecraft for it  - a lander attached to your spacecraft - which undocks ... and lands. Like an eagle. Of course there is no air on the Moon. After having pissed on the Moon you take off again and ... find your spacecraft orbiting the Moon ... and dock with it. Magic. Then you undock the empty lander orbiting the Moon, while you hit the accelerator and return to planet Earth ... and splash down just in front of the POTUS. There are today five eagle landers orbiting the Moon and NASA says you can see them with a sharp telescope. I admit though I cannot understand how they managed to get there.
Nope...the title is about your lack of understanding of everything...as proved by your junk science and baseless conclusions of website.  And, of course, your obsession with sanitary systems...poo.

Mike

No, topic was my lack of understanding of orbital mechanics (see post #1) and when I then showed my understanding of the matter (post #2) some twerp later changed the topic. This is typical twerp tactics twerps TTTT. It happens to me all the time. You sound like a double TTTT = TTTTTTTT. Go and be ashamed and lock your self up.

So I have to repeat; it seems you don't understand my suggestion #1, i.e. that "no spacecraft of any kind can carry enough fuel for any trip anywhere in space and return safely to Earth". 

My suggestion #2 is that "you cannot predict the trajectory between Earth and the target in space to ensure that the target is there, when you arrive".  It means that you'll miss the target and continue into Universe.

My suggestion #3 is that "you cannot re-enter and land on the rotating Earth after a trip in space". You cannot find the location at the top of the atmosphere above Earth to start any landing attempt and regardless you cannot brake going through the atmosphere, so you are vaporized.

Only twerps think #1, #2 and #3 are possible. That's why they are twerps.
Say what ever you like to make yourself feel better.  Everyone reading these threads knows the truth.  Post all the impolite, name calling, personal attacks you want.  It won't hide the truth and you're the only one believes you're right.  Everyone else knows you for the lying crackpot conspiracy theorist that you really are.

Thanks for playing...

So I have to repeat; it seems you don't understand my suggestion #1, i.e. that "no spacecraft of any kind can carry enough fuel for any trip anywhere in space and return safely to Earth". 

My suggestion #2 is that "you cannot predict the trajectory between Earth and the target in space to ensure that the target is there, when you arrive".  It means that you'll miss the target and continue into Universe.

My suggestion #3 is that "you cannot re-enter and land on the rotating Earth after a trip in space". You cannot find the location at the top of the atmosphere above Earth to start any landing attempt and regardless you cannot brake going through the atmosphere, so you are vaporized.

Only twerps think #1, #2 and #3 are possible and when I ask them to prove it they become obnoxious.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on October 16, 2017, 05:27:55 AM
Third - if you manage to arrive at the Moon orbit and the Moon is there, how do you avoid that Moon gravity pulls you down so you crash?
Pretty much the same way that Earth satellites deal with the fact that Earth gravity pulls them down.

This is a reminder that topic is my lack of understanding in orbital mechanics and not the drugs used by some twerps. So your spacecraft is orbiting the Moon ... and you decide to land. OK! So you decide to use another spacecraft for it  - a lander attached to your spacecraft - which undocks ... and lands. Like an eagle. Of course there is no air on the Moon. After having pissed on the Moon you take off again and ... find your spacecraft orbiting the Moon ... and dock with it. Magic. Then you undock the empty lander orbiting the Moon, while you hit the accelerator and return to planet Earth ... and splash down just in front of the POTUS. There are today five eagle landers orbiting the Moon and NASA says you can see them with a sharp telescope. I admit though I cannot understand how they managed to get there.
Nope...the title is about your lack of understanding of everything...as proved by your junk science and baseless conclusions of website.  And, of course, your obsession with sanitary systems...poo.

Mike

No, topic was my lack of understanding of orbital mechanics (see post #1) and when I then showed my understanding of the matter (post #2) some twerp later changed the topic. This is typical twerp tactics twerps TTTT. It happens to me all the time. You sound like a double TTTT = TTTTTTTT. Go and be ashamed and lock your self up.

So I have to repeat; it seems you don't understand my suggestion #1, i.e. that "no spacecraft of any kind can carry enough fuel for any trip anywhere in space and return safely to Earth". 

My suggestion #2 is that "you cannot predict the trajectory between Earth and the target in space to ensure that the target is there, when you arrive".  It means that you'll miss the target and continue into Universe.

My suggestion #3 is that "you cannot re-enter and land on the rotating Earth after a trip in space". You cannot find the location at the top of the atmosphere above Earth to start any landing attempt and regardless you cannot brake going through the atmosphere, so you are vaporized.

Only twerps think #1, #2 and #3 are possible. That's why they are twerps.
Say what ever you like to make yourself feel better.  Everyone reading these threads knows the truth.  Post all the impolite, name calling, personal attacks you want.  It won't hide the truth and you're the only one believes you're right.  Everyone else knows you for the lying crackpot conspiracy theorist that you really are.

Thanks for playing...

So I have to repeat; it seems you don't understand my suggestion #1, i.e. that "no spacecraft of any kind can carry enough fuel for any trip anywhere in space and return safely to Earth". 

My suggestion #2 is that "you cannot predict the trajectory between Earth and the target in space to ensure that the target is there, when you arrive".  It means that you'll miss the target and continue into Universe.

My suggestion #3 is that "you cannot re-enter and land on the rotating Earth after a trip in space". You cannot find the location at the top of the atmosphere above Earth to start any landing attempt and regardless you cannot brake going through the atmosphere, so you are vaporized.

Only twerps think #1, #2 and #3 are possible and when I ask them to prove it they become obnoxious.
I understood all of what you posted.  I just disagree with it.  The onus isn’t the rest of the world to prove that manned space flight is possible.  The responsibility is on you to disprove manned space flight.  You have not done that.

And, don’t tell me to study your site because I already have.  You DID NOT disprove manned space flight.  Your website draws conclusions based on conjecture and unfounded assumptions.  Therefore, your challenge is invalid. 

I also find it interesting that none of your challenges have anything to do with disproving the information in your website.  We all know that is because your junk science is easily refuted that you can’t have it directly challenged so you create challenges that are rigged to be unwinnable.  For example, if we assume a-bombs are real it would still be impossible to “demonstrate that an a-bomb works”.  Like I said, you fake challenges are rigged to be impossible to win regardless of what the truth is.

We all see right through you.  If you really believed is what you’re saying your challenges would be about disproving your claims.  I don’t think you even believe it yourself.  You’re just a troll looking for attention.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on October 16, 2017, 05:44:59 AM
Third - if you manage to arrive at the Moon orbit and the Moon is there, how do you avoid that Moon gravity pulls you down so you crash?
Pretty much the same way that Earth satellites deal with the fact that Earth gravity pulls them down.

This is a reminder that topic is my lack of understanding in orbital mechanics and not the drugs used by some twerps. So your spacecraft is orbiting the Moon ... and you decide to land. OK! So you decide to use another spacecraft for it  - a lander attached to your spacecraft - which undocks ... and lands. Like an eagle. Of course there is no air on the Moon. After having pissed on the Moon you take off again and ... find your spacecraft orbiting the Moon ... and dock with it. Magic. Then you undock the empty lander orbiting the Moon, while you hit the accelerator and return to planet Earth ... and splash down just in front of the POTUS. There are today five eagle landers orbiting the Moon and NASA says you can see them with a sharp telescope. I admit though I cannot understand how they managed to get there.
Nope...the title is about your lack of understanding of everything...as proved by your junk science and baseless conclusions of website.  And, of course, your obsession with sanitary systems...poo.

Mike

No, topic was my lack of understanding of orbital mechanics (see post #1) and when I then showed my understanding of the matter (post #2) some twerp later changed the topic. This is typical twerp tactics twerps TTTT. It happens to me all the time. You sound like a double TTTT = TTTTTTTT. Go and be ashamed and lock your self up.

So I have to repeat; it seems you don't understand my suggestion #1, i.e. that "no spacecraft of any kind can carry enough fuel for any trip anywhere in space and return safely to Earth". 

My suggestion #2 is that "you cannot predict the trajectory between Earth and the target in space to ensure that the target is there, when you arrive".  It means that you'll miss the target and continue into Universe.

My suggestion #3 is that "you cannot re-enter and land on the rotating Earth after a trip in space". You cannot find the location at the top of the atmosphere above Earth to start any landing attempt and regardless you cannot brake going through the atmosphere, so you are vaporized.

Only twerps think #1, #2 and #3 are possible. That's why they are twerps.
Say what ever you like to make yourself feel better.  Everyone reading these threads knows the truth.  Post all the impolite, name calling, personal attacks you want.  It won't hide the truth and you're the only one believes you're right.  Everyone else knows you for the lying crackpot conspiracy theorist that you really are.

Thanks for playing...

So I have to repeat; it seems you don't understand my suggestion #1, i.e. that "no spacecraft of any kind can carry enough fuel for any trip anywhere in space and return safely to Earth". 

My suggestion #2 is that "you cannot predict the trajectory between Earth and the target in space to ensure that the target is there, when you arrive".  It means that you'll miss the target and continue into Universe.

My suggestion #3 is that "you cannot re-enter and land on the rotating Earth after a trip in space". You cannot find the location at the top of the atmosphere above Earth to start any landing attempt and regardless you cannot brake going through the atmosphere, so you are vaporized.

Only twerps think #1, #2 and #3 are possible and when I ask them to prove it they become obnoxious.

I understood all of what you posted.  I just disagree with it.  The onus isn’t the rest of the world to prove that manned space flight is possible.  The responsibility is on you to disprove manned space flight.  You have not done that.


But I have done it since many years - http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm . And I pay you €1M to show I am wrong - http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm . Result? 0!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on October 16, 2017, 06:45:12 AM
Third - if you manage to arrive at the Moon orbit and the Moon is there, how do you avoid that Moon gravity pulls you down so you crash?
Pretty much the same way that Earth satellites deal with the fact that Earth gravity pulls them down.

This is a reminder that topic is my lack of understanding in orbital mechanics and not the drugs used by some twerps. So your spacecraft is orbiting the Moon ... and you decide to land. OK! So you decide to use another spacecraft for it  - a lander attached to your spacecraft - which undocks ... and lands. Like an eagle. Of course there is no air on the Moon. After having pissed on the Moon you take off again and ... find your spacecraft orbiting the Moon ... and dock with it. Magic. Then you undock the empty lander orbiting the Moon, while you hit the accelerator and return to planet Earth ... and splash down just in front of the POTUS. There are today five eagle landers orbiting the Moon and NASA says you can see them with a sharp telescope. I admit though I cannot understand how they managed to get there.
Nope...the title is about your lack of understanding of everything...as proved by your junk science and baseless conclusions of website.  And, of course, your obsession with sanitary systems...poo.

Mike

No, topic was my lack of understanding of orbital mechanics (see post #1) and when I then showed my understanding of the matter (post #2) some twerp later changed the topic. This is typical twerp tactics twerps TTTT. It happens to me all the time. You sound like a double TTTT = TTTTTTTT. Go and be ashamed and lock your self up.

So I have to repeat; it seems you don't understand my suggestion #1, i.e. that "no spacecraft of any kind can carry enough fuel for any trip anywhere in space and return safely to Earth". 

My suggestion #2 is that "you cannot predict the trajectory between Earth and the target in space to ensure that the target is there, when you arrive".  It means that you'll miss the target and continue into Universe.

My suggestion #3 is that "you cannot re-enter and land on the rotating Earth after a trip in space". You cannot find the location at the top of the atmosphere above Earth to start any landing attempt and regardless you cannot brake going through the atmosphere, so you are vaporized.

Only twerps think #1, #2 and #3 are possible. That's why they are twerps.
Say what ever you like to make yourself feel better.  Everyone reading these threads knows the truth.  Post all the impolite, name calling, personal attacks you want.  It won't hide the truth and you're the only one believes you're right.  Everyone else knows you for the lying crackpot conspiracy theorist that you really are.

Thanks for playing...

So I have to repeat; it seems you don't understand my suggestion #1, i.e. that "no spacecraft of any kind can carry enough fuel for any trip anywhere in space and return safely to Earth". 

My suggestion #2 is that "you cannot predict the trajectory between Earth and the target in space to ensure that the target is there, when you arrive".  It means that you'll miss the target and continue into Universe.

My suggestion #3 is that "you cannot re-enter and land on the rotating Earth after a trip in space". You cannot find the location at the top of the atmosphere above Earth to start any landing attempt and regardless you cannot brake going through the atmosphere, so you are vaporized.

Only twerps think #1, #2 and #3 are possible and when I ask them to prove it they become obnoxious.

I understood all of what you posted.  I just disagree with it.  The onus isn’t the rest of the world to prove that manned space flight is possible.  The responsibility is on you to disprove manned space flight.  You have not done that.


But I have done it since many years - http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm . And I pay you €1M to show I am wrong - http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm . Result? 0!
I don't care how long you've been doing it. It's rigged to ensure nobody can win regardless of the truth.

You're just a crackpot and a troll and everyone knows it.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on October 16, 2017, 11:31:24 AM
Third - if you manage to arrive at the Moon orbit and the Moon is there, how do you avoid that Moon gravity pulls you down so you crash?
Pretty much the same way that Earth satellites deal with the fact that Earth gravity pulls them down.

This is a reminder that topic is my lack of understanding in orbital mechanics and not the drugs used by some twerps. So your spacecraft is orbiting the Moon ... and you decide to land. OK! So you decide to use another spacecraft for it  - a lander attached to your spacecraft - which undocks ... and lands. Like an eagle. Of course there is no air on the Moon. After having pissed on the Moon you take off again and ... find your spacecraft orbiting the Moon ... and dock with it. Magic. Then you undock the empty lander orbiting the Moon, while you hit the accelerator and return to planet Earth ... and splash down just in front of the POTUS. There are today five eagle landers orbiting the Moon and NASA says you can see them with a sharp telescope. I admit though I cannot understand how they managed to get there.
Nope...the title is about your lack of understanding of everything...as proved by your junk science and baseless conclusions of website.  And, of course, your obsession with sanitary systems...poo.

Mike

No, topic was my lack of understanding of orbital mechanics (see post #1) and when I then showed my understanding of the matter (post #2) some twerp later changed the topic. This is typical twerp tactics twerps TTTT. It happens to me all the time. You sound like a double TTTT = TTTTTTTT. Go and be ashamed and lock your self up.

So I have to repeat; it seems you don't understand my suggestion #1, i.e. that "no spacecraft of any kind can carry enough fuel for any trip anywhere in space and return safely to Earth". 

My suggestion #2 is that "you cannot predict the trajectory between Earth and the target in space to ensure that the target is there, when you arrive".  It means that you'll miss the target and continue into Universe.

My suggestion #3 is that "you cannot re-enter and land on the rotating Earth after a trip in space". You cannot find the location at the top of the atmosphere above Earth to start any landing attempt and regardless you cannot brake going through the atmosphere, so you are vaporized.

Only twerps think #1, #2 and #3 are possible. That's why they are twerps.
Say what ever you like to make yourself feel better.  Everyone reading these threads knows the truth.  Post all the impolite, name calling, personal attacks you want.  It won't hide the truth and you're the only one believes you're right.  Everyone else knows you for the lying crackpot conspiracy theorist that you really are.

Thanks for playing...

So I have to repeat; it seems you don't understand my suggestion #1, i.e. that "no spacecraft of any kind can carry enough fuel for any trip anywhere in space and return safely to Earth". 

My suggestion #2 is that "you cannot predict the trajectory between Earth and the target in space to ensure that the target is there, when you arrive".  It means that you'll miss the target and continue into Universe.

My suggestion #3 is that "you cannot re-enter and land on the rotating Earth after a trip in space". You cannot find the location at the top of the atmosphere above Earth to start any landing attempt and regardless you cannot brake going through the atmosphere, so you are vaporized.

Only twerps think #1, #2 and #3 are possible and when I ask them to prove it they become obnoxious.

I understood all of what you posted.  I just disagree with it.  The onus isn’t the rest of the world to prove that manned space flight is possible.  The responsibility is on you to disprove manned space flight.  You have not done that.


But I have done it since many years - http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm . And I pay you €1M to show I am wrong - http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm . Result? 0!
I don't care how long you've been doing it. It's rigged to ensure nobody can win regardless of the truth.

You're just a crackpot and a troll and everyone knows it.

Mike
No, I am real and in good health. You sound the opposite. Sick! Why do you waste your time here? Who pays you?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on October 17, 2017, 03:04:22 AM

No, I am real and in good health. You sound the opposite. Sick! Why do you waste your time here? Who pays you?
Are you implying you are capable of diagnosing someone based on their posts?  Or do you get your jollies by engaging in personal attacks?  Which is it?

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on October 17, 2017, 05:40:47 AM

No, I am real and in good health. You sound the opposite. Sick! Why do you waste your time here? Who pays you?
Are you implying you are capable of diagnosing someone based on their posts?  Or do you get your jollies by engaging in personal attacks?  Which is it?

Mike
The first. You are lying and inventing things here all the time, and I wonder why.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on October 17, 2017, 06:10:13 AM

No, I am real and in good health. You sound the opposite. Sick! Why do you waste your time here? Who pays you?
Are you implying you are capable of diagnosing someone based on their posts?  Or do you get your jollies by engaging in personal attacks?  Which is it?

Mike
The first. You are lying and inventing things here all the time, and I wonder why.
Here we go.  Point out anything thing I've lied about.  Just one thing that I've posted that's a lie.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on October 19, 2017, 03:32:15 AM

No, I am real and in good health. You sound the opposite. Sick! Why do you waste your time here? Who pays you?
Are you implying you are capable of diagnosing someone based on their posts?  Or do you get your jollies by engaging in personal attacks?  Which is it?

Mike
The first. You are lying and inventing things here all the time, and I wonder why.
Here we go.  Point out anything thing I've lied about.  Just one thing that I've posted that's a lie.
Easy. Your friends having first seen planes crashing into the WTC towers and then seen the towers collapse from top down cannot exist. You made them up in several posts.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on October 19, 2017, 03:45:12 AM
Heiwa, you lied when you talked about boats sinking. I've decided that this is not possible. Therefore, you're a liar. If you want I can find the posts as evidence that you lied.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on October 19, 2017, 05:46:44 AM
Heiwa, you lied when you talked about boats sinking. I've decided that this is not possible. Therefore, you're a liar. If you want I can find the posts as evidence that you lied.

Like all twerps you are mistaken.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: MicroBeta on October 19, 2017, 05:47:35 AM

No, I am real and in good health. You sound the opposite. Sick! Why do you waste your time here? Who pays you?
Are you implying you are capable of diagnosing someone based on their posts?  Or do you get your jollies by engaging in personal attacks?  Which is it?

Mike
The first. You are lying and inventing things here all the time, and I wonder why.
Here we go.  Point out anything thing I've lied about.  Just one thing that I've posted that's a lie.
Easy. Your friends having first seen planes crashing into the WTC towers and then seen the towers collapse from top down cannot exist. You made them up in several posts.
All of that actually happened and if you didn't do shoddy research you'd know that.  I know people who saw those things but your shoddy research didn’t include any investigation into eyewitnesses. 

You’re the liar here.  You lied about investigating the plane impacts when all you did was look at video from the internet.  Another example of you shoddy research.


You’ve been caught in so many lies it’s ridiculous and you have the gall to call me a liar for something you didn’t even do any research on. 

How about you show everyone a lie I’ve posted that you can prove instead of one based on your shoddy research doesn’t count.

I on the other hand can show many situations where you’ve be caught in lies.  You were caught lying by your own contradictory posts.  This is one of many reasons you’ve been banned from so many forums.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=11293.msg1924520;topicseen#msg1924520
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=11293.msg1924057#msg1924057
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=11293.msg1924479#msg1924479
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=11293.msg1923059#msg1923059
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=11293.msg1868776#msg1868776
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=253936
https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/home/anders-bjorkman-s-world

You make this so easy.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on October 19, 2017, 02:46:18 PM

No, I am real and in good health. You sound the opposite. Sick! Why do you waste your time here? Who pays you?
Are you implying you are capable of diagnosing someone based on their posts?  Or do you get your jollies by engaging in personal attacks?  Which is it?

Mike
The first. You are lying and inventing things here all the time, and I wonder why.
Here we go.  Point out anything thing I've lied about.  Just one thing that I've posted that's a lie.
Easy. Your friends having first seen planes crashing into the WTC towers and then seen the towers collapse from top down cannot exist. You made them up in several posts.
All of that actually happened and if you didn't do shoddy research you'd know that.  I know people who saw those things but your shoddy research didn’t include any investigation into eyewitnesses. 

You’re the liar here.  You lied about investigating the plane impacts when all you did was look at video from the internet.  Another example of you shoddy research.


You’ve been caught in so many lies it’s ridiculous and you have the gall to call me a liar for something you didn’t even do any research on. 

How about you show everyone a lie I’ve posted that you can prove instead of one based on your shoddy research doesn’t count.

I on the other hand can show many situations where you’ve be caught in lies.  You were caught lying by your own contradictory posts.  This is one of many reasons you’ve been banned from so many forums.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=11293.msg1924520;topicseen#msg1924520
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=11293.msg1924057#msg1924057
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=11293.msg1924479#msg1924479
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=11293.msg1923059#msg1923059
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=11293.msg1868776#msg1868776
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=253936
https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/home/anders-bjorkman-s-world

You make this so easy.

Mike

You sound like a poor, miserable twerp. Visit http://heiwaco.com and learn something!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on October 19, 2017, 05:12:34 PM

No, I am real and in good health. You sound the opposite. Sick! Why do you waste your time here? Who pays you?
Are you implying you are capable of diagnosing someone based on their posts?  Or do you get your jollies by engaging in personal attacks?  Which is it?

Mike
The first. You are lying and inventing things here all the time, and I wonder why.
Here we go.  Point out anything thing I've lied about.  Just one thing that I've posted that's a lie.
Easy. Your friends having first seen planes crashing into the WTC towers and then seen the towers collapse from top down cannot exist. You made them up in several posts.
All of that actually happened and if you didn't do shoddy research you'd know that.  I know people who saw those things but your shoddy research didn’t include any investigation into eyewitnesses. 

You’re the liar here.  You lied about investigating the plane impacts when all you did was look at video from the internet.  Another example of you shoddy research.


You’ve been caught in so many lies it’s ridiculous and you have the gall to call me a liar for something you didn’t even do any research on. 

How about you show everyone a lie I’ve posted that you can prove instead of one based on your shoddy research doesn’t count.

I on the other hand can show many situations where you’ve be caught in lies.  You were caught lying by your own contradictory posts.  This is one of many reasons you’ve been banned from so many forums.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=11293.msg1924520;topicseen#msg1924520
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=11293.msg1924057#msg1924057
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=11293.msg1924479#msg1924479
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=11293.msg1923059#msg1923059
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=11293.msg1868776#msg1868776
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=253936
https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/home/anders-bjorkman-s-world

You make this so easy.

Mike

You sound like a poor, miserable twerp. Visit http://heiwaco.com and learn something!
You're the one who needs to learn something so you will stop lying.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on October 19, 2017, 07:16:13 PM
Heiwa, you lied when you talked about boats sinking. I've decided that this is not possible. Therefore, you're a liar. If you want I can find the posts as evidence that you lied.

Like all twerps you are mistaken.

Only a sad miserable twerp would say something like this. Boats don't sink.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on October 20, 2017, 10:01:54 AM
Heiwa, you lied when you talked about boats sinking. I've decided that this is not possible. Therefore, you're a liar. If you want I can find the posts as evidence that you lied.

Like all twerps you are mistaken.

Only a sad miserable twerp would say something like this. Boats don't sink.

You sound tired. Try triathlon. Swim, ran and bike. It will keep you out of trouble.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: markjo on October 20, 2017, 10:36:26 AM
Heiwa, you lied when you talked about boats sinking. I've decided that this is not possible. Therefore, you're a liar. If you want I can find the posts as evidence that you lied.

Like all twerps you are mistaken.

Only a sad miserable twerp would say something like this. Boats don't sink.

You sound tired. Try triathlon. Swim, ran and bike. It will keep you out of trouble.
No.  A triathlon is swim, bike then run.  You can get into serious trouble with the judges if you do them in the wrong order.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on October 20, 2017, 11:03:49 AM
Heiwa, you lied when you talked about boats sinking. I've decided that this is not possible. Therefore, you're a liar. If you want I can find the posts as evidence that you lied.

Like all twerps you are mistaken.

Only a sad miserable twerp would say something like this. Boats don't sink.

You sound tired. Try triathlon. Swim, ran and bike. It will keep you out of trouble.
No.  A triathlon is swim, bike then run.  You can get into serious trouble with the judges if you do them in the wrong order.
Only twerps believe so. Triathlon was invented in France 100 years ago and there are many variations. Mine is 2 km bike to the beach, then 5 km run, then 200 m swim and then bike home. It takes an hour. No judges. No trouble.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: RocketSauce on October 20, 2017, 02:26:31 PM
Heiwa, you lied when you talked about boats sinking. I've decided that this is not possible. Therefore, you're a liar. If you want I can find the posts as evidence that you lied.

Like all twerps you are mistaken.

Only a sad miserable twerp would say something like this. Boats don't sink.

You sound tired. Try triathlon. Swim, ran and bike. It will keep you out of trouble.
No.  A triathlon is swim, bike then run.  You can get into serious trouble with the judges if you do them in the wrong order.
Only twerps believe so. Triathlon was invented in France 100 years ago and there are many variations. Mine is 2 km bike to the beach, then 5 km run, then 200 m swim and then bike home. It takes an hour. No judges. No trouble.

blah blah blah who cares
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on October 20, 2017, 05:48:01 PM
Heiwa, you lied when you talked about boats sinking. I've decided that this is not possible. Therefore, you're a liar. If you want I can find the posts as evidence that you lied.

Like all twerps you are mistaken.

Only a sad miserable twerp would say something like this. Boats don't sink.

You sound tired. Try triathlon. Swim, ran and bike. It will keep you out of trouble.
No.  A triathlon is swim, bike then run.  You can get into serious trouble with the judges if you do them in the wrong order.
Only twerps believe so. Triathlon was invented in France 100 years ago and there are many variations. Mine is 2 km bike to the beach, then 5 km run, then 200 m swim and then bike home. It takes an hour. No judges. No trouble.

blah blah blah who cares
Twerps!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on October 20, 2017, 07:58:07 PM
Heiwa, you lied when you talked about boats sinking. I've decided that this is not possible. Therefore, you're a liar. If you want I can find the posts as evidence that you lied.

Like all twerps you are mistaken.

Only a sad miserable twerp would say something like this. Boats don't sink.

You sound tired. Try triathlon. Swim, ran and bike. It will keep you out of trouble.

You sound like a twerp. Boats don't sink. Only twerps think they do.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on October 20, 2017, 09:24:32 PM
Heiwa, you lied when you talked about boats sinking. I've decided that this is not possible. Therefore, you're a liar. If you want I can find the posts as evidence that you lied.

Like all twerps you are mistaken.

Only a sad miserable twerp would say something like this. Boats don't sink.

You sound tired. Try triathlon. Swim, ran and bike. It will keep you out of trouble.
No.  A triathlon is swim, bike then run.  You can get into serious trouble with the judges if you do them in the wrong order.
Only twerps believe so. Triathlon was invented in France 100 years ago and there are many variations. Mine is 2 km bike to the beach, then 5 km run, then 200 m swim and then bike home. It takes an hour. No judges. No trouble.
Pfft.  Not much of a triathlon if you ask me.  Not even a sprint.
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/61/da/b9/61dab99433e67c22db826e57a49eef91--triathlon-distances-sprint-triathlon.jpg)
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on October 20, 2017, 10:16:29 PM
Heiwa, you lied when you talked about boats sinking. I've decided that this is not possible. Therefore, you're a liar. If you want I can find the posts as evidence that you lied.

Like all twerps you are mistaken.

Only a sad miserable twerp would say something like this. Boats don't sink.

You sound tired. Try triathlon. Swim, ran and bike. It will keep you out of trouble.
No.  A triathlon is swim, bike then run.  You can get into serious trouble with the judges if you do them in the wrong order.
Only twerps believe so. Triathlon was invented in France 100 years ago and there are many variations. Mine is 2 km bike to the beach, then 5 km run, then 200 m swim and then bike home. It takes an hour. No judges. No trouble.
Pfft.  Not much of a triathlon if you ask me.  Not even a sprint.
But it is a triathlon! People get impressed when they ask me what sports I do at my age. Only twerps like you get jealous, upset, start to moan and groan, etc.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Bullwinkle on October 21, 2017, 09:01:46 AM

No judges. No trouble.



 ;)
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on October 21, 2017, 09:27:20 AM
But it is a triathlon! People get impressed when they ask me what sports I do at my age.
Yeah, it's easy to impress gullible people, isn't it?

*Yawn*  Wake me up when you can keep up with this guy:
Quote from: http://www.triathlete.com/2015/10/features/85-year-old-lew-hollander-looking-for-24th-kona-finish_123174
(http://cdn.triathlete.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/EnduraPix_8449_121013ELB2346F7C6-550x421.jpg)
Kona veteran Lew Hollander is pioneering the 85–89 age group on the Big Island this October.

After finishing the Ironman World Championship more than 20 times, you’d think 85-year-old Lew Hollander would love Kona. Notsomuch. “It’s horrible,” he says, laughing. “It’s the ugliest, toughest race. … Every year I say, ‘I’m never going to do this again. Never, never.’”
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on October 21, 2017, 10:20:47 AM
But it is a triathlon! People get impressed when they ask me what sports I do at my age.
Yeah, it's easy to impress gullible people, isn't it?
More twerp questions! You cannot stop asking them, twerp! No, I just try to be funny. A good looking, rich, intelligent man like me - http://heiwaco.com - only does easy triathlon to be in physical shape. Real triathlon is for twerps.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on October 21, 2017, 12:21:42 PM
But it is a triathlon! People get impressed when they ask me what sports I do at my age.
Yeah, it's easy to impress gullible people, isn't it?
More twerp questions! You cannot stop asking them, twerp! No, I just try to be funny. A good looking, rich, intelligent man like me - http://heiwaco.com - only does easy triathlon to be in physical shape. Real triathlon is for twerps.
Did I hit a nerve?  Sounds like sour grapes to me.  I've finished 6 full marathons, so your "easy triathlon" doesn't impress me in the slightest.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on October 21, 2017, 12:44:30 PM
No, I just try to be funny. 
You accomplish that way better when you're not trying.

Quote
A good looking, rich, intelligent man like me

You forgot "modest".

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Real triathlon is for twerps.

http://read.gov/aesop/005.html
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on October 21, 2017, 12:46:55 PM

Real triathlon is for twerps.

http://read.gov/aesop/005.html

Word!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on October 21, 2017, 04:08:52 PM
But it is a triathlon! People get impressed when they ask me what sports I do at my age.
Yeah, it's easy to impress gullible people, isn't it?
More twerp questions! You cannot stop asking them, twerp! No, I just try to be funny. A good looking, rich, intelligent man like me - http://heiwaco.com - only does easy triathlon to be in physical shape. Real triathlon is for twerps.
Did I hit a nerve?  Sounds like sour grapes to me.  I've finished 6 full marathons, so your "easy triathlon" doesn't impress me in the slightest.

No! Only twerps run marathons. You prove my point. More questions?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on October 21, 2017, 04:37:57 PM
But it is a triathlon! People get impressed when they ask me what sports I do at my age.
Yeah, it's easy to impress gullible people, isn't it?
More twerp questions! You cannot stop asking them, twerp! No, I just try to be funny. A good looking, rich, intelligent man like me - http://heiwaco.com - only does easy triathlon to be in physical shape. Real triathlon is for twerps.
Did I hit a nerve?  Sounds like sour grapes to me.  I've finished 6 full marathons, so your "easy triathlon" doesn't impress me in the slightest.

No! Only twerps run marathons. You prove my point. More questions?
Only twerps run marathons?  That doesn't make any sense.  That is unless you like to put down people who can do things you can't.  Yeah.  I think that's the most likely truth here.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Twerp on October 21, 2017, 04:39:56 PM
http://read.gov/aesop/005.html
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on October 21, 2017, 04:43:35 PM
But it is a triathlon! People get impressed when they ask me what sports I do at my age.
Yeah, it's easy to impress gullible people, isn't it?
More twerp questions! You cannot stop asking them, twerp! No, I just try to be funny. A good looking, rich, intelligent man like me - http://heiwaco.com - only does easy triathlon to be in physical shape. Real triathlon is for twerps.
Did I hit a nerve?  Sounds like sour grapes to me.  I've finished 6 full marathons, so your "easy triathlon" doesn't impress me in the slightest.

No! Only twerps run marathons. You prove my point. More questions?
No.  It takes a special breed of idiot to run a marathon, or a proper triathlon.  There is also a special camaraderie among endurance athletes that a twerp like you could never understand.

Your "easy triathlon" is more like a "nice tryathlon".
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on October 21, 2017, 08:58:49 PM
But it is a triathlon! People get impressed when they ask me what sports I do at my age.
Yeah, it's easy to impress gullible people, isn't it?
More twerp questions! You cannot stop asking them, twerp! No, I just try to be funny. A good looking, rich, intelligent man like me - http://heiwaco.com - only does easy triathlon to be in physical shape. Real triathlon is for twerps.
Did I hit a nerve?  Sounds like sour grapes to me.  I've finished 6 full marathons, so your "easy triathlon" doesn't impress me in the slightest.

No! Only twerps run marathons. You prove my point. More questions?
No.  It takes a special breed of idiot to run a marathon, or a proper triathlon.  There is also a special camaraderie among endurance athletes that a twerp like you could never understand.

Your "easy triathlon" is more like a "nice tryathlon".
Yes, I agree with you that it takes a special breed of idiot to run a marathon - you have done it six times - or a proper triathlon, and that there must be a special camaraderie among endurance athletes that twerps could never understand.
Topic is of course my lack of understanding in orbital mechanics and I wonder how you are getting along earning €1M at solving http://heiwaco.com/chall2.htm .
How to fly through space from Earth orbiting the Sun to the Moon orbiting Earth and planet Mars orbiting the Sun? How do you keep track of flying between these moving heavenly bodies?
Do you just apply a force to your spacecraft to speed off and then brake and land? What about the fuel?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on October 21, 2017, 09:07:03 PM
Topic is of course my lack of understanding in orbital mechanics and I wonder how you are getting along earning €1M at solving http://heiwaco.com/chall2.htm .
How to fly through space from Earth orbiting the Sun to the Moon orbiting Earth and planet Mars orbiting the Sun? How do you keep track of flying between these moving heavenly bodies?
Do you just apply a force to your spacecraft to speed off and then brake and land? What about the fuel?
Like the camaraderie among endurance athletes, the math involved in planning and executing space flight is something that you just can't seem understand, so it's pointless to even try to explain.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on October 21, 2017, 09:16:47 PM
Topic is of course my lack of understanding in orbital mechanics and I wonder how you are getting along earning €1M at solving http://heiwaco.com/chall2.htm .
How to fly through space from Earth orbiting the Sun to the Moon orbiting Earth and planet Mars orbiting the Sun? How do you keep track of flying between these moving heavenly bodies?
Do you just apply a force to your spacecraft to speed off and then brake and land? What about the fuel?
Like the camaraderie among endurance athletes, the math involved in planning and executing space flight is something that you just can't seem understand, so it's pointless to even try to explain.
Well, I openly admit I cannot solve the n-body problem navigating between moving heavenly bodies so I offer anyone €1M to do it for me - http://heiwaco.com/chall2.htm .  And what is the result? Twerps say it's pointless to even try to explain it to me.
But why not explain to others reading this message?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Pezevenk on October 22, 2017, 07:12:22 AM
Well, I openly admit I cannot solve the n-body problem navigating between moving heavenly bodies so I offer anyone €1M to do it for me - http://heiwaco.com/chall2.htm .  And what is the result? Twerps say it's pointless to even try to explain it to me.

Because you're a twerp.

Quote
But why not explain to others reading this message?

Because it's a lot of boooring math that gets even more boring if you want to do everything precisely and with real world data. It's not very complicated, just BOOOORING.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on October 22, 2017, 05:08:30 PM
Well, I openly admit I cannot solve the n-body problem navigating between moving heavenly bodies so I offer anyone €1M to do it for me - http://heiwaco.com/chall2.htm .  And what is the result? Twerps say it's pointless to even try to explain it to me.

Because you're a twerp.

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But why not explain to others reading this message?

Because it's a lot of boooring math that gets even more boring if you want to do everything precisely and with real world data. It's not very complicated, just BOOOORING.

Well, you sound like a booring twerp to me. No understanding in orbital mechanics, as expected.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Pezevenk on October 23, 2017, 11:08:47 AM
Have a nice eternity.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Twerp on October 23, 2017, 01:10:00 PM
[Alarmed] Is Heiwa about to enter the gates of eternity?!
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on October 24, 2017, 09:00:41 AM
But it is a triathlon! People get impressed when they ask me what sports I do at my age.
Yeah, it's easy to impress gullible people, isn't it?
More twerp questions! You cannot stop asking them, twerp! No, I just try to be funny. A good looking, rich, intelligent man like me - http://heiwaco.com - only does easy triathlon to be in physical shape. Real triathlon is for twerps.
Did I hit a nerve?  Sounds like sour grapes to me.  I've finished 6 full marathons, so your "easy triathlon" doesn't impress me in the slightest.

No! Only twerps run marathons. You prove my point. More questions?
No.  It takes a special breed of idiot to run a marathon, or a proper triathlon.  There is also a special camaraderie among endurance athletes that a twerp like you could never understand.

Your "easy triathlon" is more like a "nice tryathlon".
Yes, I agree with you that it takes a special breed of idiot to run a marathon - you have done it six times - or a proper triathlon, and that there must be a special camaraderie among endurance athletes that twerps could never understand.
Topic is of course my lack of understanding in orbital mechanics and I wonder how you are getting along earning €1M at solving http://heiwaco.com/chall2.htm .
How to fly through space from Earth orbiting the Sun to the Moon orbiting Earth and planet Mars orbiting the Sun? How do you keep track of flying between these moving heavenly bodies?
Do you just apply a force to your spacecraft to speed off and then brake and land? What about the fuel?
I think that your attitude towards marathons and proper triathlons is much like your attitude towards manned space flight and nuclear weapons.  Endurance sports aren't for everyone, and that's fine.  Not everyone has the time, patience or physiology to invest in the necessary training for such events.  In a similar way, not everyone has the time, patience or intellect to properly research and investigate the finer points of manned space flight or nuclear weapons, and that's fine too.  But that doesn't mean that you should shit on people who do, or deny their accomplishments.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on October 24, 2017, 10:00:07 AM
But it is a triathlon! People get impressed when they ask me what sports I do at my age.
Yeah, it's easy to impress gullible people, isn't it?
More twerp questions! You cannot stop asking them, twerp! No, I just try to be funny. A good looking, rich, intelligent man like me - http://heiwaco.com - only does easy triathlon to be in physical shape. Real triathlon is for twerps.
Did I hit a nerve?  Sounds like sour grapes to me.  I've finished 6 full marathons, so your "easy triathlon" doesn't impress me in the slightest.

No! Only twerps run marathons. You prove my point. More questions?
No.  It takes a special breed of idiot to run a marathon, or a proper triathlon.  There is also a special camaraderie among endurance athletes that a twerp like you could never understand.

Your "easy triathlon" is more like a "nice tryathlon".
Yes, I agree with you that it takes a special breed of idiot to run a marathon - you have done it six times - or a proper triathlon, and that there must be a special camaraderie among endurance athletes that twerps could never understand.
Topic is of course my lack of understanding in orbital mechanics and I wonder how you are getting along earning €1M at solving http://heiwaco.com/chall2.htm .
How to fly through space from Earth orbiting the Sun to the Moon orbiting Earth and planet Mars orbiting the Sun? How do you keep track of flying between these moving heavenly bodies?
Do you just apply a force to your spacecraft to speed off and then brake and land? What about the fuel?
I think that your attitude towards marathons and proper triathlons is much like your attitude towards manned space flight and nuclear weapons.  Endurance sports aren't for everyone, and that's fine.  Not everyone has the time, patience or physiology to invest in the necessary training for such events.  In a similar way, not everyone has the time, patience or intellect to properly research and investigate the finer points of manned space flight or nuclear weapons, and that's fine too.  But that doesn't mean that you should shit on people who do, or deny their accomplishments.
Well, you are a twerp, i.e. a contemptible, silly fool. Who pays you?
Endurance sports are only for twerps prepared to drug themselves to early deaths. We normal people love amateur sports for fun and recreation. Any training is done just for fun to keep you and your opponent in shape. Not to destroy you.
Re manned space flights only twerps have done them according to their own testimonies. Just look and listen to them. Twerps. 
And nuclear weapons? Invented by several twerps I identify at http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm .
So that’s why I do not shit on people. Only twerps think so. I simply call a twerp a twerp.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: markjo on October 24, 2017, 11:47:05 AM
Well, you are a twerp, i.e. a contemptible, silly fool. Who pays you?
Why would you say something so mean and hurtful?  Have my achievements offended you?

Who pays you?
My employer pays me, but not for any sports that I may or may not participate in.

Endurance sports are only for twerps prepared to drug themselves to early deaths. We normal people love amateur sports for fun and recreation. Any training is done just for fun to keep you and your opponent in shape. Not to destroy you.
I hate to tell you this, but probably 99% of all endurance athletes (including myself) are are normal people who are amateurs and have never taken any performance enhancing drugs.  Why would you think that I ran marathons for anything more nefarious than fitness and the pride of being able to say that I belong to select, but growing, group of people who have done something that most people will never do in their lifetimes?


Re manned space flights only twerps have done them according to their own testimonies. Just look and listen to them. Twerps. 
And nuclear weapons? Invented by several twerps I identify at http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm .
So that’s why I do not shit on people. Only twerps think so. I simply call a twerp a twerp.
You shit on anyone who disagrees with your limited worldview and that's just plain wrong.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on October 24, 2017, 02:02:00 PM
But it is a triathlon! People get impressed when they ask me what sports I do at my age.
Yeah, it's easy to impress gullible people, isn't it?
More twerp questions! You cannot stop asking them, twerp! No, I just try to be funny. A good looking, rich, intelligent man like me - http://heiwaco.com - only does easy triathlon to be in physical shape. Real triathlon is for twerps.
Did I hit a nerve?  Sounds like sour grapes to me.  I've finished 6 full marathons, so your "easy triathlon" doesn't impress me in the slightest.

No! Only twerps run marathons. You prove my point. More questions?
No.  It takes a special breed of idiot to run a marathon, or a proper triathlon.  There is also a special camaraderie among endurance athletes that a twerp like you could never understand.

Your "easy triathlon" is more like a "nice tryathlon".
Yes, I agree with you that it takes a special breed of idiot to run a marathon - you have done it six times - or a proper triathlon, and that there must be a special camaraderie among endurance athletes that twerps could never understand.
Topic is of course my lack of understanding in orbital mechanics and I wonder how you are getting along earning €1M at solving http://heiwaco.com/chall2.htm .
How to fly through space from Earth orbiting the Sun to the Moon orbiting Earth and planet Mars orbiting the Sun? How do you keep track of flying between these moving heavenly bodies?
Do you just apply a force to your spacecraft to speed off and then brake and land? What about the fuel?
I think that your attitude towards marathons and proper triathlons is much like your attitude towards manned space flight and nuclear weapons.  Endurance sports aren't for everyone, and that's fine.  Not everyone has the time, patience or physiology to invest in the necessary training for such events.  In a similar way, not everyone has the time, patience or intellect to properly research and investigate the finer points of manned space flight or nuclear weapons, and that's fine too.  But that doesn't mean that you should shit on people who do, or deny their accomplishments.
Well, you are a twerp, i.e. a contemptible, silly fool. Who pays you?
Endurance sports are only for twerps prepared to drug themselves to early deaths. We normal people love amateur sports for fun and recreation. Any training is done just for fun to keep you and your opponent in shape. Not to destroy you.
Re manned space flights only twerps have done them according to their own testimonies. Just look and listen to them. Twerps. 
And nuclear weapons? Invented by several twerps I identify at http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm .
So that’s why I do not shit on people. Only twerps think so. I simply call a twerp a twerp.
You can't possible believe any of this.  Are you really that abusive to people?  Why do you have to put people down all the time?  Have a little decency for once. You shit on people all the time.  Even in this very post so that makes you a hypocrite too.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on October 24, 2017, 06:09:07 PM
Well, you are a twerp, i.e. a contemptible, silly fool. Who pays you?
Why would you say something so mean and hurtful?  Have my achievements offended you?

Who pays you?
My employer pays me, but not for any sports that I may or may not participate in.

Endurance sports are only for twerps prepared to drug themselves to early deaths. We normal people love amateur sports for fun and recreation. Any training is done just for fun to keep you and your opponent in shape. Not to destroy you.
I hate to tell you this, but probably 99% of all endurance athletes (including myself) are are normal people who are amateurs and have never taken any performance enhancing drugs.  Why would you think that I ran marathons for anything more nefarious than fitness and the pride of being able to say that I belong to select, but growing, group of people who have done something that most people will never do in their lifetimes?


Re manned space flights only twerps have done them according to their own testimonies. Just look and listen to them. Twerps. 
And nuclear weapons? Invented by several twerps I identify at http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm .
So that’s why I do not shit on people. Only twerps think so. I simply call a twerp a twerp.
You shit on anyone who disagrees with your limited worldview and that's just plain wrong.

Well, you confirm that you are a twerp and a terrorist! But you are not alone!

Terror is great fear or an instant of great fear and a terrorist is a person using violence to cause terror for political purposes. Thus GWB, Dick Cheaney & Co are simple terrorists in my eyes. All alleged amateurs having filmed the terror of 911 are also terrorists. If you are American you live in a country governed by terrorists.

Only twerps do not understand it.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on October 25, 2017, 01:37:36 AM
Well, you are a twerp, i.e. a contemptible, silly fool. Who pays you?
Why would you say something so mean and hurtful?  Have my achievements offended you?

Who pays you?
My employer pays me, but not for any sports that I may or may not participate in.

Endurance sports are only for twerps prepared to drug themselves to early deaths. We normal people love amateur sports for fun and recreation. Any training is done just for fun to keep you and your opponent in shape. Not to destroy you.
I hate to tell you this, but probably 99% of all endurance athletes (including myself) are are normal people who are amateurs and have never taken any performance enhancing drugs.  Why would you think that I ran marathons for anything more nefarious than fitness and the pride of being able to say that I belong to select, but growing, group of people who have done something that most people will never do in their lifetimes?


Re manned space flights only twerps have done them according to their own testimonies. Just look and listen to them. Twerps. 
And nuclear weapons? Invented by several twerps I identify at http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm .
So that’s why I do not shit on people. Only twerps think so. I simply call a twerp a twerp.
You shit on anyone who disagrees with your limited worldview and that's just plain wrong.

Well, you confirm that you are a twerp and a terrorist! But you are not alone!

Terror is great fear or an instant of great fear and a terrorist is a person using violence to cause terror for political purposes. Thus GWB, Dick Cheaney & Co are simple terrorists in my eyes. All alleged amateurs having filmed the terror of 911 are also terrorists. If you are American you live in a country governed by terrorists.

Only twerps do not understand it.
You said you don't shit on people, yet here you are shitting on someone and making unfounded personal attacks.  That makes you a liar and a hypocrite.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on October 25, 2017, 04:30:32 AM
Well, you are a twerp, i.e. a contemptible, silly fool. Who pays you?
Why would you say something so mean and hurtful?  Have my achievements offended you?


Who pays you?
My employer pays me, but not for any sports that I may or may not participate in.

Endurance sports are only for twerps prepared to drug themselves to early deaths. We normal people love amateur sports for fun and recreation. Any training is done just for fun to keep you and your opponent in shape. Not to destroy you.
I hate to tell you this, but probably 99% of all endurance athletes (including myself) are are normal people who are amateurs and have never taken any performance enhancing drugs.  Why would you think that I ran marathons for anything more nefarious than fitness and the pride of being able to say that I belong to select, but growing, group of people who have done something that most people will never do in their lifetimes?


Re manned space flights only twerps have done them according to their own testimonies. Just look and listen to them. Twerps. 
And nuclear weapons? Invented by several twerps I identify at http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm .
So that’s why I do not shit on people. Only twerps think so. I simply call a twerp a twerp.
You shit on anyone who disagrees with your limited worldview and that's just plain wrong.

Well, you confirm that you are a twerp and a terrorist! But you are not alone!

Terror is great fear or an instant of great fear and a terrorist is a person using violence to cause terror for political purposes. Thus GWB, Dick Cheaney & Co are simple terrorists in my eyes. All alleged amateurs having filmed the terror of 911 are also terrorists. If you are American you live in a country governed by terrorists.

Only twerps do not understand it.
You said you don't shit on people, yet here you are shitting on someone and making unfounded personal attacks.  That makes you a liar and a hypocrite.

Mike

You sound like a twerp conspirator inventing things in support of terrorism. I am neither a liar nor a hypocrite. Just study my CV at http://heiwaco.com/cv.htm .
Have you got a CV?
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on October 25, 2017, 05:09:43 PM
Well, you are a twerp, i.e. a contemptible, silly fool. Who pays you?
Why would you say something so mean and hurtful?  Have my achievements offended you?


Who pays you?
My employer pays me, but not for any sports that I may or may not participate in.

Endurance sports are only for twerps prepared to drug themselves to early deaths. We normal people love amateur sports for fun and recreation. Any training is done just for fun to keep you and your opponent in shape. Not to destroy you.
I hate to tell you this, but probably 99% of all endurance athletes (including myself) are are normal people who are amateurs and have never taken any performance enhancing drugs.  Why would you think that I ran marathons for anything more nefarious than fitness and the pride of being able to say that I belong to select, but growing, group of people who have done something that most people will never do in their lifetimes?


Re manned space flights only twerps have done them according to their own testimonies. Just look and listen to them. Twerps. 
And nuclear weapons? Invented by several twerps I identify at http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm .
So that’s why I do not shit on people. Only twerps think so. I simply call a twerp a twerp.
You shit on anyone who disagrees with your limited worldview and that's just plain wrong.

Well, you confirm that you are a twerp and a terrorist! But you are not alone!

Terror is great fear or an instant of great fear and a terrorist is a person using violence to cause terror for political purposes. Thus GWB, Dick Cheaney & Co are simple terrorists in my eyes. All alleged amateurs having filmed the terror of 911 are also terrorists. If you are American you live in a country governed by terrorists.

Only twerps do not understand it.
You said you don't shit on people, yet here you are shitting on someone and making unfounded personal attacks.  That makes you a liar and a hypocrite.

Mike

You sound like a twerp conspirator inventing things in support of terrorism. I am neither a liar nor a hypocrite. Just study my CV at http://heiwaco.com/cv.htm .
Have you got a CV?
You know I have the American version of your CV.  I've linked it so you've seen it.  The question is why would ask a question you already know the answer to.  It makes me wonder.

BTW, you are a liar and hypocrite.  You posted you don't shit on people and here you are doing it to me as you've done to everyone else here.  That makes you a hypocrite.

You're a liar and have been caught lying over and over again.  Here is the link to just a few examples.

https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/home/anders-bjorkman-s-world

Keep attacking me and I'll keep bring up the truth about you.

Mike
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: Heiwa on October 26, 2017, 04:36:06 AM
Well, you are a twerp, i.e. a contemptible, silly fool. Who pays you?
Why would you say something so mean and hurtful?  Have my achievements offended you?


Who pays you?
My employer pays me, but not for any sports that I may or may not participate in.

Endurance sports are only for twerps prepared to drug themselves to early deaths. We normal people love amateur sports for fun and recreation. Any training is done just for fun to keep you and your opponent in shape. Not to destroy you.
I hate to tell you this, but probably 99% of all endurance athletes (including myself) are are normal people who are amateurs and have never taken any performance enhancing drugs.  Why would you think that I ran marathons for anything more nefarious than fitness and the pride of being able to say that I belong to select, but growing, group of people who have done something that most people will never do in their lifetimes?


Re manned space flights only twerps have done them according to their own testimonies. Just look and listen to them. Twerps. 
And nuclear weapons? Invented by several twerps I identify at http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm .
So that’s why I do not shit on people. Only twerps think so. I simply call a twerp a twerp.
You shit on anyone who disagrees with your limited worldview and that's just plain wrong.

Well, you confirm that you are a twerp and a terrorist! But you are not alone!

Terror is great fear or an instant of great fear and a terrorist is a person using violence to cause terror for political purposes. Thus GWB, Dick Cheaney & Co are simple terrorists in my eyes. All alleged amateurs having filmed the terror of 911 are also terrorists. If you are American you live in a country governed by terrorists.

Only twerps do not understand it.
You said you don't shit on people, yet here you are shitting on someone and making unfounded personal attacks.  That makes you a liar and a hypocrite.

Mike

You sound like a twerp conspirator inventing things in support of terrorism. I am neither a liar nor a hypocrite. Just study my CV at http://heiwaco.com/cv.htm .
Have you got a CV?
You know I have the American version of your CV.  I've linked it so you've seen it.  The question is why would ask a question you already know the answer to.  It makes me wonder.

BTW, you are a liar and hypocrite.  You posted you don't shit on people and here you are doing it to me as you've done to everyone else here.  That makes you a hypocrite.

You're a liar and have been caught lying over and over again.  Here is the link to just a few examples.

https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/home/anders-bjorkman-s-world

Keep attacking me and I'll keep bring up the truth about you.

Mike

Hm, my true, impressive CV is at http://heiwaco.com/cv.htm since many years. It is much better than Donald Trump's, if you can find it. Donald is top to scare American twerps, like you, with all sorts of threats so you wet your pants, etc. I explain it at http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm .
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: RocketSauce on October 27, 2017, 11:35:39 AM
Dear god you are boring... You brag about yourself more than Trump does, I'll give you that.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in orbital mechanics
Post by: MicroBeta on October 27, 2017, 02:31:52 PM
Well, you are a twerp, i.e. a contemptible, silly fool. Who pays you?
Why would you say something so mean and hurtful?  Have my achievements offended you?


Who pays you?
My employer pays me, but not for any sports that I may or may not participate in.

Endurance sports are only for twerps prepared to drug themselves to early deaths. We normal people love amateur sports for fun and recreation. Any training is done just for fun to keep you and your opponent in shape. Not to destroy you.
I hate to tell you this, but probably 99% of all endurance athletes (including myself) are are normal people who are amateurs and have never taken any performance enhancing drugs.  Why would you think that I ran marathons for anything more nefarious than fitness and the pride of being able to say that I belong to select, but growing, group of people who have done something that most people will never do in their lifetimes?


Re manned space flights only twerps have done them according to their own testimonies. Just look and listen to them. Twerps. 
And nuclear weapons? Invented by several twerps I identify at http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm .
So that’s why I do not shit on people. Only twerps think so. I simply call a twerp a twerp.
You shit on anyone who disagrees with your limited worldview and that's just plain wrong.

Well, you confirm that you are a twerp and a terrorist! But you are not alone!

Terror is great fear or an instant of great fear and a terrorist is a person using violence to cause terror for political purposes. Thus GWB, Dick Cheaney & Co are simple terrorists in my eyes. All alleged amateurs having filmed the terror of 911 are also terrorists. If you are American you live in a country governed by terrorists.

Only twerps do not understand it.
You said you don't shit on people, yet here you are shitting on someone and making unfounded personal attacks.  That makes you a liar and a hypocrite.

Mike

You sound like a twerp conspirator inventing things in support of terrorism. I am neither a liar nor a hypocrite. Just study my CV at http://heiwaco.com/cv.htm .
Have you got a CV?
You know I have the American version of your CV.  I've linked it so you've seen it.  The question is why would ask a question you already know the answer to.  It makes me wonder.

BTW, you are a liar and hypocrite.  You posted you don't shit on people and here you are doing it to me as you've done to everyone else here.  That makes you a hypocrite.

You're a liar and have been caught lying over and over again.  Here is the link to just a few examples.

https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/home/anders-bjorkman-s-world

Keep attacking me and I'll keep bring up the truth about you.

Mike

Hm, my true, impressive CV is at http://heiwaco.com/cv.htm since many years. It is much better than Donald Trump's, if you can find it. Donald is top to scare American twerps, like you, with all sorts of threats so you wet your pants, etc. I explain it at http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm .
You have a very high opinion of yourself.  BTW, your CV isn't that impressive.  It's pretty average. 

Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Denspressure on December 29, 2017, 11:36:39 AM
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Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Pezevenk on December 29, 2017, 02:03:54 PM
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Ugliest superhero of all time. Even supervillains look better.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Heiwa on December 30, 2017, 09:22:36 AM
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Ugliest superhero of all time. Even supervillains look better.

Hm, on my website photo I have a nice head band, etc. http://heiwaco.com . Plenty women consider me good looking but I am just rich, healthy and intelligent. You appear to be a losing twerp. Pls provide a photo.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Pezevenk on December 30, 2017, 02:08:40 PM
Hm, on my website photo I have a nice head band, etc. http://heiwaco.com . Plenty women consider me good looking but I am just rich, healthy and intelligent. You appear to be a losing twerp. Pls provide a photo.

I know you have a massive and very creepy crush on me but no, I won't provide a photo for you to masturbate to. Sorry.
Title: Re: Heiwas lack of understanding in everything and his obsession with poop
Post by: Denspressure on December 30, 2017, 04:10:45 PM
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Ugliest superhero of all time. Even supervillains look better.

Hm, on my website photo I have a nice head band, etc. http://heiwaco.com . Plenty women consider me good looking but I am just rich, healthy and intelligent. You appear to be a losing twerp. Pls provide a photo.
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/ifz0q33hffoegkn/HeiwaCENSORED.jpg?dl=1)