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I HAVE GONE MENTAL TRYING TO DEFEND AN EMBARRASSINGLY OBVIOUS FRAUD & AM CLOSE TO TEARS AGAIN!

Just fyi, 'Homie', I was working with a painter & decorator today; perfectly ordinary guy, nothing 'tinfoil hat' or 'conspiracy nutter' about him at all.

I mentioned teh munn landinkz to him & he was quite open in his disbelief in the entire stupid fairy-tale.

So, I showed him a bit of evidence that satellites may also be fake, & he was open to that idea too.

Because falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus, you know?

Let's face it, 'Homie'; no-one believes your bullshit any more...

So you might want to consider what kind of rancid karma you are piling up with your continued & frantic defence of such a crime.

Or not.

Your Choice, 'Homie'...

FAO Woody.

This is from page 1 of this thread.
Please note -
It's from nasa.gov,
It's titled cold war coop.

Do I think you will suddenly change your world view ?
No.

Hopefully you just find it of interest.

http://www.nasa.gov/50th/50th_magazine/coldWarCoOp.html

Even the official history and players make interesting reading.
       Roald Z Sagdeev former Soviet space scientist along with wife Susan Eisenhower ( president Eisenhowers grangdaughter) explain.

 Despite the continued space competition between the United States and U.S.S.R., Khrushchev sent Kennedy a letter raising the possibility of space cooperation on a modest level after John Glenn became the first American to orbit Earth on Feb. 20, 1962. That led to two rounds of discussions between NASA’s Deputy Administrator Hugh Dryden and Soviet academician Blagonravov. An agreement led to the opening of cooperation in three areas: 1) the exchange of weather data from satellites and the eventual coordinated launching of meteorological satellites; 2) a joint effort to map the geomagnetic field of Earth; and 3) cooperation in the experimental relay of communications. This link became a primary forum for subsequent U.S.-U.S.S.R. interaction on space.

 In the early 1970s, the Nixon administration sought to reduce U.S.-Soviet tensions, and launched a major effort to reach a strategic arms limitation breakthrough, as well as new cooperation in space. In 1970, during a meeting with Keldysh, U.S. Academy of Sciences President Philip Handler mentioned an American movie starring Gregory Peck and Gene Hackman called Marooned, in which Soviet cosmonauts helped rescue three U.S. astronauts stranded in Earth orbit. Handler suggested the United States and U.S.S.R. develop a mutually com-patible docking system that would make possible such rescues, as well as non-emergency space dock-ings. This imaginary movie scenario touched a chord within space communities on both sides, which already had experienced emergency situations in real life. Talks led to the Apollo-Soyuz Test Project docking mission of 1975, which developed compatible rendezvous and docking systems still in use today, and the establishment of a few topical working groups in different space science and applications disciplines.
 
          " You know,” I responded, “we have a silent gentleman’s agreement to share responsibilities in space". 

the article and it's authors whilst obviously maintaining the cold war narrative give the impression space was the basis for a continental bromance,                           

Silent gentlemens agreements sound strange, don't they ?


   

Quote from: Homie Rayzor on February 08, 2016, 08:30:29 AM

I HAVE GONE MENTAL TRYING TO DEFEND AN EMBARRASSINGLY OBVIOUS FRAUD & AM CLOSE TO TEARS AGAIN!

Just fyi, 'Homie', I was working with a painter & decorator today; perfectly ordinary guy, nothing 'tinfoil hat' or 'conspiracy nutter' about him at all.

I mentioned teh munn landinkz to him & he was quite open in his disbelief in the entire stupid fairy-tale.

So, I showed him a bit of evidence that satellites may also be fake, & he was open to that idea too.

Because falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus, you know?

Let's face it, 'Homie'; no-one believes your bullshit any more...

So you might want to consider what kind of rancid karma you are piling up with your continued & frantic defence of such a crime.

Or not.

Your Choice, 'Homie'...

Was he a Taff too?

I ask anyone who knows anything about mechanics, do you think this is an appropriate way to build an articulated foot pad for a vehicle that is to land on the moon. And what is up with all this gold color foil? It looks like they use it to cover stuff up so we can't see what's under it. Please use some common sense on this stuff. This is a photo of Apollo 11 (AS11-40-5926) showing a close-up of a foot pad, we can see that the ball of the leg does not fill the socket of the footpad; there is obviously void between the ball and the socket which means:
- that the ball of the leg is small and thence fragile.
- that the ball of the leg is loose in the socket and not maintained by it; we can see they used thin wires to keep the pad on so it wouldn't fall off when they moved it. The wires would prevent the articulated ball and socket joint from operating if much force is exerted on them. How can anyone believe this stuff?

Yendor - are you actually looking properly at the picture?

The ball is sat perfectly in the socket joint.

I ask anyone who knows anything about mechanics, do you think this is an appropriate way to build an articulated foot pad for a vehicle that is to land on the moon.

How should it be built, considering that one of the primary design objectives is to keep the weight down.

And what is up with all this gold color foil? It looks like they use it to cover stuff up so we can't see what's under it.

The gold mylar is to reflect the heat of the sun to keep the temperature stable.

Please use some common sense on this stuff. This is a photo of Apollo 11 (AS11-40-5926) showing a close-up of a foot pad, we can see that the ball of the leg does not fill the socket of the footpad; there is obviously void between the ball and the socket which means:

Sorry, but I don't see any void.  Perhaps you're interpreting the shadow as a void.

- that the ball of the leg is small and thence fragile.

Well, fragile in earth gravity is one thing, but fragile in the moon's 1/6 gravity is something else.

- that the ball of the leg is loose in the socket and not maintained by it;

Nope.  Looks snug to me.

we can see they used thin wires to keep the pad on so it wouldn't fall off when they moved it. [\quote]
Are you sure that's what the wires are for?  Even if they were, then so what?

Quote from: Yendor on February 08, 2016, 12:59:25 PM

The wires would prevent the articulated ball and socket joint from operating if much force is exerted on them. How can anyone believe this stuff?

How do you know that the wires aren't exactly long enough to provide the required range of motion?  How do you know that there isn't some sort of mechanism to spool out more wire if needed hidden under the gold foil?

Quote from: Yendor on February 08, 2016, 12:59:25 PM

Yendor - are you actually looking properly at the picture?

The ball is sat perfectly in the socket joint.

I think you'll find that Yendor is referring to the observation that the ball joint is not seated fully in the socket as it would usually be:

Quote from: Mainframes on February 08, 2016, 01:15:04 PM

Yendor - are you actually looking properly at the picture?

The ball is sat perfectly in the socket joint.

I think you'll find that Yendor is referring to the observation that the ball joint is not seated fully in the socket as it would usually be:

And I'm referring to the fact that the ball situated perfectly in its joint.

Quote from: Mainframes on February 08, 2016, 01:15:04 PM

Yendor - are you actually looking properly at the picture?

The ball is sat perfectly in the socket joint.

I think you'll find that Yendor is referring to the observation that the ball joint is not seated fully in the socket as it would usually be:

Yes, that's correct.It is obvious the joint they are using does not.


This would be a much better and safer joint. You can see it captures much more of the ball.

Quote from: legion on February 08, 2016, 01:38:49 PM

Quote from: Mainframes on February 08, 2016, 01:15:04 PM

Yendor - are you actually looking properly at the picture?

The ball is sat perfectly in the socket joint.

I think you'll find that Yendor is referring to the observation that the ball joint is not seated fully in the socket as it would usually be:

And I'm referring to the fact that the ball situated perfectly in its joint.

Look at the thing. If you believe that, then It's obvious you know nothing about mechanics. Because no mechanical engineer or machinist for that matter, would ever build a ball and socket joint that the ball could easily fall out.

There is clearly more than 50% of the ball sat within the socket.

This is exactly what I see on the LM. Snug fit, less than 50% of the ball exposed.

So you guys think these little wires would survive an actual moon landing without breaking. Well okay if you think so. I sure don't

So you guys think these little wires would survive an actual moon landing without breaking. Well okay if you think so. I sure don't

Why would the wires break? What stress or strain are they being subjected to?

A little research gets you everywhere.

The wires shown are designed to stop the pad moving around in flight. Upon landing, if the pad is subjected to a slide in the surface, the wires are designed to break to allow the pad to move with its ball and socket joint during the slide.

https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/tnD6850LMLandingGearSubsytem.pdf

Please read top of page 51.

A little research gets you everywhere.

The wires shown are designed to stop the pad moving around in flight. Upon landing, if the pad is subjected to a slide in the surface, the wires are designed to break to allow the pad to move with its ball and socket joint during the slide.

https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/tnD6850LMLandingGearSubsytem.pdf

Please read top of page 51.

This is one of those pictures I believe NASA has been called out for and the document you presented is the excuse they come up with to debunk people like me. Why else would they even mention such a minor thing like 4 little straps? The image below is how the arm and pad is stowed before being deployed. You can see the angle is such that it isn't going to move around much. You can see in the picture the wires are not broken. So, it didn't slide during landing or it was a mighty soft landing. It must have been because it didn't dirty the pad at all.

Quote from: Mainframes on February 08, 2016, 02:48:06 PM

A little research gets you everywhere.

The wires shown are designed to stop the pad moving around in flight. Upon landing, if the pad is subjected to a slide in the surface, the wires are designed to break to allow the pad to move with its ball and socket joint during the slide.

https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/tnD6850LMLandingGearSubsytem.pdf

Please read top of page 51.

This is one of those pictures I believe NASA has been called out for and the document you presented is the excuse they come up with to debunk people like me. Why else would they even mention such a minor thing like 4 little straps? The image below is how the arm and pad is stowed before being deployed. You can see the angle is such that it isn't going to move around much. You can see in the picture the wires are not broken. So, it didn't slide during landing or it was a mighty soft landing. It must have been because it didn't dirty the pad at all.

Why?  Because they documented everything.  I once read a document that went into detail about one of the control sticks and how you could feel when it was returned to center.  That's what happens with real projects that have real engineers working on them and building real equipment.

Plus, NASA didn't build the LM.  Grumman did.

Good find yendor. RE people just believe whatever NASA says, no matter what. The landing pad foot is rediculous as well as the picture of the whole LEM. Tar paper, scotch tape, curtain rods and a shower nozzle all make for some laughs. The indoctrinated believe every word of NASA, lol.

This is one of those pictures I believe NASA has been called out for and the document you presented is the excuse they come up with to debunk people like me. Why else would they even mention such a minor thing like 4 little straps? The image below is how the arm and pad is stowed before being deployed. You can see the angle is such that it isn't going to move around much. You can see in the picture the wires are not broken. So, it didn't slide during landing or it was a mighty soft landing. It must have been because it didn't dirty the pad at all.

So,  let me make sure I understand your argument,   you don't understand the design,  or the documentation,  and you think that's suspicious somehow?   

Looks to me like it did it's job perfectly,  just like the Grumman engineers intended. 

So,  could you explain in more detail what your point is.   

More festering Karma for Homie Rayzor & his disinfo-crew...

Here's an interesting question: why are the landing legs wrapped in gold xmas wrapping paper anyway?

What purpose does this wrapping paper serve?

Here's an interesting question: why are the landing legs wrapped in gold xmas wrapping paper anyway?

What purpose does this wrapping paper serve?

Already asked and answered:

Quote from: Yendor on February 08, 2016, 12:59:25 PM

And what is up with all this gold color foil? It looks like they use it to cover stuff up so we can't see what's under it.

The gold mylar is to reflect the heat of the sun to keep the temperature stable.

And what are the legs made of?

And what are the legs made of?

The legs are an aluminium piston assembly with a crushable honeycomb shock absorber.

In Apollo 11:
Between the photos AS11-40-5862 and AS11-40-5863, the photographer moves to the right and back:



I would expect the US plate (circled in red) on the extreme right to be more visible on the second photo...but, it's the converse, it's even less visible on the second photo. I can't wait for your excuses.

Quote from: Papa Legba on February 08, 2016, 07:03:38 PM

Here's an interesting question: why are the landing legs wrapped in gold xmas wrapping paper anyway?

What purpose does this wrapping paper serve?

Already asked and answered:

Quote from: markjo on February 08, 2016, 01:22:58 PM

Quote from: Yendor on February 08, 2016, 12:59:25 PM

And what is up with all this gold color foil? It looks like they use it to cover stuff up so we can't see what's under it.

The gold mylar is to reflect the heat of the sun to keep the temperature stable.

Great answer markjo, I can see that. We all know shinny light color things reflect heat from the sun to keep the temperature stable and dark color things absorb heat and the temperature won't be stable. But wait...why would they care about keeping the struts stable and not the inner workings of the LM. That kinda don't make sense to. I'm not a professor like you, so It probably makes perfect sense to you. Even if the black tar paper looking stuff is special, I'd at least cover it with gold foil to make it more photogenic. After all, they use mylar tape to patch the rips and tears in it and that looks just terrible.

I would expect the US plate (circled in red) on the extreme right to be more visible on the second photo...but, it's the converse, it's even less visible on the second photo. I can't wait for your excuses.

It is all about the distance and angles. It is pretty simple once you have a little of spatial imagination.

Quote from: Papa Legba on February 08, 2016, 09:29:02 PM

And what are the legs made of?

The legs are an aluminium piston assembly with a crushable honeycomb shock absorber.

That's not really an answer to what I asked, is it?

Are you a robot? Or just a VERY creepy human being?

Anyhoo; do the legs contain fuel?

Or any other thing that would require a stable temperature?

As Yendor points out, surely the crew & fuel compartment would require extra insulation to keep 'stable temperatures' if anywhere?

Aluminium does not fail structurally below 300C...

So why are the legs so special that they require 'stable temperatures'?

Hmm?

Quote from: Yendor on February 09, 2016, 08:22:54 AM

I would expect the US plate (circled in red) on the extreme right to be more visible on the second photo...but, it's the converse, it's even less visible on the second photo. I can't wait for your excuses.

It is all about the distance and angles. It is pretty simple once you have a little of spatial imagination.

Are you serious?

Quote from: markjo on February 08, 2016, 08:36:41 PM

Quote from: Papa Legba on February 08, 2016, 07:03:38 PM

Here's an interesting question: why are the landing legs wrapped in gold xmas wrapping paper anyway?

What purpose does this wrapping paper serve?

Already asked and answered:

Quote from: markjo on February 08, 2016, 01:22:58 PM

Quote from: Yendor on February 08, 2016, 12:59:25 PM

And what is up with all this gold color foil? It looks like they use it to cover stuff up so we can't see what's under it.

The gold mylar is to reflect the heat of the sun to keep the temperature stable.

Great answer markjo, I can see that. We all know shinny light color things reflect heat from the sun to keep the temperature stable and dark color things absorb heat and the temperature won't be stable. But wait...why would they care about keeping the struts stable and not the inner workings of the LM. That kinda don't make sense to. I'm not a professor like you, so It probably makes perfect sense to you. Even if the black tar paper looking stuff is special, I'd at least cover it with gold foil to make it more photogenic. After all, they use mylar tape to patch the rips and tears in it and that looks just terrible.

The tape is not to patch rips and tears.  It is used to attach to avoid rips and tears.  If you attach something with a rivet then you concentrate the attachment at a point.  Attach it with tape and the force spreads out.

 I've looked closely at the surround of that ball joint and that white surround looks  like polystyrene. This is a small model.

Look at that pristine gold foil. Now think about this and seriously think. Imagine that pile of crap lander landing on the moon as we are told. The moon apparently has no atmosphere so this pile of crap is trying to land on it.
For anyone taking notice of the bullshit we get fed, you'll understand that the  bogus moon apparently rotates at just over 10mph...that's ten miles per hour.

Now take a look at the gold foil covered landing feet and imagine the state of that foil upon landing.

There's two things to think about. The piece of crap lander would SKID along the moon surface due to this 10mph spin, as we are told. The atmosphere cannot carry it along at the same rate like the absolute bullshit explanation like the Earth...and yet, look. Look at the perfectly intact  foil.

One other thing is the supposed rocket nozzle blowing away all of the moon dust as we are told. Has anyone ever used a sand blasting machine?

Now imagine this nozzle blowing away all this moon dust as we are told. It would naturally hit the landing feet and legs and it dissipated away from this lander and shredded this pathetic gold foil.

I really shouldn't need top point this out because it really should be obvious to EVERYONE with a brain as how frigging silly this is.

Now I know this isn't a thread for me to comment and was aimed at those who believe in a moon landing of a man/men, and to give the best proof that made them accept it. But seeing as it went way off track almost right away, I might as well throw my oar in as well.