Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #930 on: August 31, 2017, 01:16:32 PM »


When I witnessed the eclipse in the UK in 1999 I did not see the Moon all day .



As it approaches alignment how much would you expect to see?

From what I remember of 1999 it was cloudy all day. Where were you?

This time around we saw a near perfect half-lit moon 7 days before from Death Valley. 11am, sun and moon visible. A few days later the moon had waned as it neared the sun but was just visible. A few days ago we see a near perfect waxing half from europe, 7 days or so after the eclipse. I really am struggling to see why you don't get this. You're either a very good troll, in which case hats off to you, or you're weapons-grade deluded dipshit. You don't have to agree with the heliocentric model to appreciate that it explains things perfectly.

Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #931 on: August 31, 2017, 01:28:03 PM »
On your heliocentric model you claim the Moon is illuminated by the Sun.

For example the dusty Moon is able to illuminate the earth using light reflected from the Sun.

If this is correct then the much larger much more reflective earth should of illuminated the Moon with the Sun's reflected light making it possible to see the moon right throughout the day during the eclipse.
I can see how you would get to this conclusion, even if it's incorrect. In order for the moon to be seen during the night which is outside the new moon phase, it's illuminated by the sun (sunlight bouncing directly off the moon) and as we all know highly visible. During a new moon, the moon is competing in the sky with the sun for brightness, which greatly lowers it's ability to be seen. In addition to that, while sunlight is indeed bouncing off the Earth, what is hitting the moon isn't what we see, because the light has to bounce off the moon again. Well, the difference in brightness between the sun and moon is obvious. So that's a large amount of luminosity being lost. While the Earth reflects more light than the moon, what's reflected is reduced by that same factor. Thus, a new moon is all but invisible against the sky. If you know just where to look you can maybe see it with an unaided eye.

The Moon is visible in the day I have seen it roughly 90 degrees away from the Sun.

I do not find your explanation acceptable.

When I witnessed the eclipse in the UK in 1999 I did not see the Moon all day .

Let's look at the facts :

The Moon is visible during the day.

The Moon is not visible during the Eclipse.

The Moon does not cause the Solar Eclipse.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
You didn't actually read a word I said did you? The day of a new moon, the moon is not visible during the day for all intents and purposes. Because there's no sunlight bouncing off the visible side, and Earthshine isn't anywhere near bright enough to light up the moon with the sun in the sky. If you know exactly where the moon is, I would suspect there's a chance you could see it with the naked eye, if you had very good eyesight. But see, you don't see the moon in the sky during the day every single month for the day of the new moon. To declare otherwise is simply lying. We've got another new moon coming up next month. Go out and try to find it. If you can't are you going to claim it's above Asia for a day then as well?

Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #932 on: August 31, 2017, 01:48:29 PM »
On your heliocentric model you claim the Moon is illuminated by the Sun.

For example the dusty Moon is able to illuminate the earth using light reflected from the Sun.

If this is correct then the much larger much more reflective earth should of illuminated the Moon with the Sun's reflected light making it possible to see the moon right throughout the day during the eclipse.
I can see how you would get to this conclusion, even if it's incorrect. In order for the moon to be seen during the night which is outside the new moon phase, it's illuminated by the sun (sunlight bouncing directly off the moon) and as we all know highly visible. During a new moon, the moon is competing in the sky with the sun for brightness, which greatly lowers it's ability to be seen. In addition to that, while sunlight is indeed bouncing off the Earth, what is hitting the moon isn't what we see, because the light has to bounce off the moon again. Well, the difference in brightness between the sun and moon is obvious. So that's a large amount of luminosity being lost. While the Earth reflects more light than the moon, what's reflected is reduced by that same factor. Thus, a new moon is all but invisible against the sky. If you know just where to look you can maybe see it with an unaided eye.

The Moon is visible in the day I have seen it roughly 90 degrees away from the Sun.

I do not find your explanation acceptable.

When I witnessed the eclipse in the UK in 1999 I did not see the Moon all day .

Let's look at the facts :

The Moon is visible during the day.

The Moon is not visible during the Eclipse.

The Moon does not cause the Solar Eclipse.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
You didn't actually read a word I said did you? The day of a new moon, the moon is not visible during the day for all intents and purposes. Because there's no sunlight bouncing off the visible side, and Earthshine isn't anywhere near bright enough to light up the moon with the sun in the sky. If you know exactly where the moon is, I would suspect there's a chance you could see it with the naked eye, if you had very good eyesight. But see, you don't see the moon in the sky during the day every single month for the day of the new moon. To declare otherwise is simply lying. We've got another new moon coming up next month. Go out and try to find it. If you can't are you going to claim it's above Asia for a day then as well?

The Moon does not eclipse the Sun .

The Black Sun eclipses the Sun.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #933 on: August 31, 2017, 01:55:44 PM »
On your heliocentric model you claim the Moon is illuminated by the Sun.

For example the dusty Moon is able to illuminate the earth using light reflected from the Sun.

If this is correct then the much larger much more reflective earth should of illuminated the Moon with the Sun's reflected light making it possible to see the moon right throughout the day during the eclipse.
I can see how you would get to this conclusion, even if it's incorrect. In order for the moon to be seen during the night which is outside the new moon phase, it's illuminated by the sun (sunlight bouncing directly off the moon) and as we all know highly visible. During a new moon, the moon is competing in the sky with the sun for brightness, which greatly lowers it's ability to be seen. In addition to that, while sunlight is indeed bouncing off the Earth, what is hitting the moon isn't what we see, because the light has to bounce off the moon again. Well, the difference in brightness between the sun and moon is obvious. So that's a large amount of luminosity being lost. While the Earth reflects more light than the moon, what's reflected is reduced by that same factor. Thus, a new moon is all but invisible against the sky. If you know just where to look you can maybe see it with an unaided eye.

The Moon is visible in the day I have seen it roughly 90 degrees away from the Sun.

I do not find your explanation acceptable.

When I witnessed the eclipse in the UK in 1999 I did not see the Moon all day .

Let's look at the facts :

The Moon is visible during the day.

The Moon is not visible during the Eclipse.

The Moon does not cause the Solar Eclipse.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
You didn't actually read a word I said did you? The day of a new moon, the moon is not visible during the day for all intents and purposes. Because there's no sunlight bouncing off the visible side, and Earthshine isn't anywhere near bright enough to light up the moon with the sun in the sky. If you know exactly where the moon is, I would suspect there's a chance you could see it with the naked eye, if you had very good eyesight. But see, you don't see the moon in the sky during the day every single month for the day of the new moon. To declare otherwise is simply lying. We've got another new moon coming up next month. Go out and try to find it. If you can't are you going to claim it's above Asia for a day then as well?

The Moon does not eclipse the Sun .

The Black Sun eclipses the Sun.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

show us a prove of a black sun

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #934 on: August 31, 2017, 01:57:25 PM »
The Black Sun was where your brethren said the Moon would be and your point is ..... They are bound to say that as this reinforces your heliocentric deception.
Or, because what you call the "black sun" really is the moon.

The Moon is visible in the day.
Yes, the new moon is just barely visible during the day, if you know where to look for it.

I'll give you a hint.

It's near the very bright sun.


The Moon was not visible during the eclipse as it allegedly approached the Sun or retreated from the Sun.
How do you know that for sure?

Did you look for the moon before or after the eclipse?

This is because as the video I provided   illustrated the Black Sun eclipses the Sun not the Moon.
How long before the eclipse did that video look for the moon?

Back lit objects only appear black to cameras not the naked eye.
Incorrect.  Hold up a small object in front of a bright light bulb and tell me what color it looks.

On your heliocentric model you claim the Moon is illuminated by the Sun.
Yes.

For example the dusty Moon is able to illuminate the earth using light reflected from the Sun.
That would depend on the phase of the moon.  A full moon can provide a good bit of illumination, but a crescent moon will provide very little.

If this is correct then the much larger much more reflective earth should of illuminated the Moon with the Sun's reflected light making it possible to see the moon right throughout the day during the eclipse.
Earthshine is pretty much the only reason that a new moon is visible (if just barely) during the daytime, but it still pales in comparison to the sun's brightness.

However, you've already been shown photos of earthshine on the moon during a solar eclipse:


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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #935 on: August 31, 2017, 01:59:06 PM »
On your heliocentric model you claim the Moon is illuminated by the Sun.

For example the dusty Moon is able to illuminate the earth using light reflected from the Sun.

If this is correct then the much larger much more reflective earth should of illuminated the Moon with the Sun's reflected light making it possible to see the moon right throughout the day during the eclipse.
I can see how you would get to this conclusion, even if it's incorrect. In order for the moon to be seen during the night which is outside the new moon phase, it's illuminated by the sun (sunlight bouncing directly off the moon) and as we all know highly visible. During a new moon, the moon is competing in the sky with the sun for brightness, which greatly lowers it's ability to be seen. In addition to that, while sunlight is indeed bouncing off the Earth, what is hitting the moon isn't what we see, because the light has to bounce off the moon again. Well, the difference in brightness between the sun and moon is obvious. So that's a large amount of luminosity being lost. While the Earth reflects more light than the moon, what's reflected is reduced by that same factor. Thus, a new moon is all but invisible against the sky. If you know just where to look you can maybe see it with an unaided eye.

The Moon is visible in the day I have seen it roughly 90 degrees away from the Sun.

I do not find your explanation acceptable.

When I witnessed the eclipse in the UK in 1999 I did not see the Moon all day .

Let's look at the facts :

The Moon is visible during the day.

The Moon is not visible during the Eclipse.

The Moon does not cause the Solar Eclipse.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
You didn't actually read a word I said did you? The day of a new moon, the moon is not visible during the day for all intents and purposes. Because there's no sunlight bouncing off the visible side, and Earthshine isn't anywhere near bright enough to light up the moon with the sun in the sky. If you know exactly where the moon is, I would suspect there's a chance you could see it with the naked eye, if you had very good eyesight. But see, you don't see the moon in the sky during the day every single month for the day of the new moon. To declare otherwise is simply lying. We've got another new moon coming up next month. Go out and try to find it. If you can't are you going to claim it's above Asia for a day then as well?

The Moon does not eclipse the Sun .

The Black Sun eclipses the Sun.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Fucking what mate? Didn't even mention the eclipse. Repeating your mantra doesn't make it any more true, but it's obvious attempting to talk with you is more futile than Tom, a feat I didn't think possible. When you decide to stop abusing your C and V keys we can talk. Until then, take care.

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #936 on: August 31, 2017, 01:59:26 PM »
C,Mon, Mr I am futile, admit it your winding us up, throughout this thread the only thing you (unwittingly) prove is that your a Mr know it all who knows bugger all, your a fool, we all think you are 1st class nutjob with honours, give up while you can. If you were in a pub talking your shot it would empty soon as you open your mouth. I don't know why people are taking time to actually give you backed up facts because it is just wasted on you. I consider you a fool of the 1st order. You seem to be the only person on this planet who knows about a 'black Sun's and it is just laughable. No doubt you will give me some textual earache, but that will just fuel the fire.

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #937 on: August 31, 2017, 02:38:43 PM »
C,Mon, Mr I am futile, admit it your winding us up, throughout this thread the only thing you (unwittingly) prove is that your a Mr know it all who knows bugger all, your a fool, we all think you are 1st class nutjob with honours, give up while you can. If you were in a pub talking your shot it would empty soon as you open your mouth. I don't know why people are taking time to actually give you backed up facts because it is just wasted on you. I consider you a fool of the 1st order. You seem to be the only person on this planet who knows about a 'black Sun's and it is just laughable. No doubt you will give me some textual earache, but that will just fuel the fire.

Your a fool Mr on my own again and futile, got to bed and don't wet it.

Are you alright?

Lol.

I don't know what's the matter with you today .

Is it that time of the month ?

You seem to be getting emotional.

I wouldn't talk about this in the pub , unless someone asked me about it .

This is a flat earth forum and I come here to discuss different aspects of the heliocentric model.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #938 on: August 31, 2017, 02:54:00 PM »
No one could see the moon at the time of the eclipse.
The Solar Eclipse is caused by the Black Sun.
Stop calling the moon the black sun.
It is the moon.

No one could "see" the moon as it was in front of the sun.
This means it was only illuminated by Earthshine.
This is nothing compared to the brightness of the sun which still glows around the edge of the moon.

That is why people can't "see" it.

Instead they see its silhouette.


The fact that people couldn't see it as the moon is a real problem for you.

The moon was out during the day. It was there before and after the eclipse.

So where did it go during the eclipse?

Coincidentally, the "black sun" you keep discussing, only appears during the eclipse.

So the moon vanishes, the black sun appears, the black sun vanishes then the moon appears.

I guess you would be one of the morons that don't realise Clark Kent is Superman.



Did you actually watch the video REtard. ?
I don't know what retard you are talking to, but I watched it.
Have you?

Anyone that does will see what a load of shit your old tired out Heliocentric model is.
Nope. They will just see the same BS lies repeated about it.

Are you capable of providing any kind of rational argument?

I witnessed the eclipse myself in the UK in 1999.
I did not see the moon pass in front of the Sun.
Your picture does not reflect what is observed in reality as such it is false.
Sure, instead of the moon passing in front of the sun you see it magically vanish and be replaced by the black sun, which then magically vanishes to be replaced by the moon.

That sure sounds like the moon passed in front of the sun and you just want to call it the black sun.

Unless you are capable of telling us where the moon was during the eclipse, the rational people will continue to accept that it was in front of the sun and you are simply calling it the black sun.

The Moon is nowhere near the Sun during the Solar Eclipse.
Again, if it isn't, where is it?

Due to its phase, we know it has to be near the sun.

The Black Sun eclipses the Sun during the Solar eclipse as can be seen in the video below.

Nope. We see the moon going in front of the sun.
You just want to call it the black sun.

Apparently this guy doesn't understand simple physics either.
He seems to think if something absorbs light it should act like paper towel absorbing water and quickly get saturated.
Has he never seen a coloured object illuminated by white light at all?
Guess how that works? It reflects a lot of light, but absorbs some.

When will you stop linking to videos filled with such garbage and instead try and provide something rational?


No they just think they saw the Moon because your Heliocentric brethren told them that .
The reality is if they actually thought about it they would realise that it isn't the Moon because the Moon is visible in the day.
No. If they actually thought about it they would realise that for the most part (i.e. ignoring the part lit up by Earth Shine), the amount of the moon visible during the day (assuming it is above the horizon) would shrink as it gets closer and closer to a new moon, eventually becoming nothing at all during a perfect new moon.
So all that would be visible is a very faint moon lit up by Earth shine.

If they thought about it they would also think how objects appear close to a bright object, noting that poorly lit (or dark) objects can be a lot harder to see. A simple example of this is a white piece of paper next to (but not lit up by) a torch at night, which is shining straight at you.
For the most part, you just see the torch, not the paper.
If you take an opaque object so it can't be lit up from the other side, and then start passing it in front of the torch, it will appear to block out the light, just like the moon does in reality.

Fortunately we now have access to the Internet and the truth so we don't have to accept your lies anymore.
You mean access to loads and loads of pure bullshit, so you can happily accept those lies.

Back lit objects only appear black to cameras not the naked eye.
That depends upon how opaque they are, and the various intensities of the light.
I can have a front lit object appear black due to a much brighter light shining on the camera setting the exposure far too low.
If an object is thick enough then it is capable of blocking all the light that tries to go through it, either by scattering it or absorbing it.


If this is correct then the much larger much more reflective earth should of illuminated the Moon with the Sun's reflected light making it possible to see the moon right throughout the day during the eclipse.
Not when it is right next to the eclipse. The range required would be far too great.
You have the massive amount of light from the sun, and a completely pathetic amount from Earth.

The Moon is visible in the day I have seen it roughly 90 degrees away from the Sun.
So when it is still quite lit up.

Now try viewing it 10 degrees from the sun, then 1, then 0.1.

See if you can see it then.

When I witnessed the eclipse in the UK in 1999 I did not see the Moon all day .
You saw its silhouette.
If you didn't see it during the day, you wouldn't have seen it at all, not during day, not during night.
It would have magically vanished for over 24 hours.

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #939 on: August 31, 2017, 02:57:12 PM »
less posting, more slapping....
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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #940 on: August 31, 2017, 03:03:17 PM »
less posting, more slapping....
I'm not pathetic or retarded enough to slap myself because you tell me to.

How about you grow up or fuck off?

Ditch your ego and just admit you were wrong, or if you think you are right, PROVE IT

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #941 on: August 31, 2017, 03:06:38 PM »
Maybe you are....


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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #942 on: August 31, 2017, 03:38:01 PM »
Seriously retard sauce, you are just here to bitch and moan.
Fuck off unless you want to contribute.

Even RiF is being better than you now.

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #943 on: August 31, 2017, 03:38:07 PM »
Why would you expect a New Moon to be visible so near your line of sight to the Sun?

Backlit by the sun, it would be as black as night, and you would see only the blue of the atmosphere.
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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #944 on: August 31, 2017, 03:40:49 PM »
This is a flat earth forum and I come here to discuss different aspects of the heliocentric model.

Just to remind you that this is a flat earth forum and since you have proven that you have no understanding of any aspects of the heliocentric model,
what about discussing the numerous failings of the flat earth model.
Of course, you might find a problem there! As soon as we try to discuss:
  • the North Polar Equidistant Azimuthal Map: someone says "that is not the official Flat Earth map!
  • gravity: there is an argument (among flat earthers) as to which of their "explanation" for gravity is correct.
  • the height of the sun: So Rowbotham measures is as 700 miles. Voliva guesses it as about 3000 miles, Sandokhan looks a a photo of the ISS, the Space Shuttle and the sun and says it must be tiny and no more than 15 km high. Duh!
  • The cause of sunset: Some say it's refraction, some say it's perspective, some say it's atmospheric obscuration.
Etc, etc ad infinitum, ad nauseum.

No wonder flat earthers are not prepared to really debate the Flat Earth Theory,
the isn't a flat earth theory, just a mish-mash of conflicting ideas.
So it seems certain that Resistance.is.Futile and the only theory left with any credibility is the Heliocentric Globe.

Mr Resistance.is.Futile, I challenge you to prove me wrong and come up with a flat earth theory that explains at least:
  • the shape, sizes and distances between the countries - ie at least the general continental layout.
  • the cause of what we call gravity.
  • the movement of the sun and moon from rising to setting, including the easily observed directions and elevations.
  • the fact that from rising to setting the sun and moon both stay almost exactly the size.
Until you have a better model
stop being so hypocritical about the Heliocentric Globe that you obviously do not understand in the slightest.

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #945 on: August 31, 2017, 04:22:30 PM »
Yes I know how the phases of the Moon work these can be verified by anyone.
Then you admit that the moon is near the sun when in its new phase instead of over Asia like you claimed.

Nice to see that we're making progress.

The Moon is nowhere near the Sun during the Solar Eclipse.
Then where was the moon?

You said that you know how the phases of the moon work and that anyone can verify it

According to the way lunar phases work, the new moon is near the sun.

Are you saying that the solar eclipse didn't happen during a new moon?

No I'm saying as is clearly illustrated by the video I provided the moon did not pass in front of the Sun.

The moon is nowhere in sight.

This is clearly illustrated by the video I provided.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

This is because as the video clearly illustrates the Black Sun Eclipses the Sun not the Moon.

Remember your claim that the moon would be visible somewhere down in asia during the eclipse? Where's the evidence for that?
If you can't provide that evidence you're a proved liar, simple as that.  :-\

Incorrect.

Lack of evidence does not prove guilt.

Evidence proves guilt REtard.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

And still you've got no evidence for your baseless claim, so yo were either lying or outright dumb.
What should it be, I.i.B.?  :-\
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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #946 on: August 31, 2017, 05:00:27 PM »
The Black Sun was where your brethren said the Moon would be and your point is ..... They are bound to say that as this reinforces your heliocentric deception.

Or... the simpler explanation is that your "black sun" is the moon. How does your "black sun" fare in the "duck test"[nb]If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.[/nb]?

It's exactly where the moon is.

It's exactly the same apparent size as the moon.

Its edge profile is exactly the same as the moon's.

It's probably the moon. This also avoids the bother of temporarily stashing the moon somewhere else during the eclipse (Asia?) and conjuring up a new object, then restoring the moon and disposing of the new object.

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The Moon is visible in the day.

Sometimes, yes.

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The Moon was not visible during the eclipse as it allegedly approached the Sun or retreated from the Sun.

It's an exceedingly thin crescent that's lost in the glare of the sun as it approaches and retreats. Once it starts blocking the sun, it's visible in silhouette.

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This is because as the video I provided illustrated the Black Sun eclipses the Sun not the Moon.

Which video? Did you provide one from a high-altitude weather balloon you say shows this? I must have missed it.

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Back lit objects only appear black to cameras not the naked eye.

Not necessarily. It depends on how much additional light is falling on the side that's not directly illuminated, exposure settings, and a host of other things.

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On your heliocentric model you claim the Moon is illuminated by the Sun.

Very good. Although it's more than a "claim".

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For example the dusty Moon is able to illuminate the earth using light reflected from the Sun.

The average albedo of the moon is about 12%. That mean it reflects about 12% of the light that falls on its surface. At times near full moon, its reflected light does provide enough light for dark-adapted eyes to see reasonably well with. The range of light levels a healthy human eye can see in is pretty impressive, really!

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If this is correct then the much larger much more reflective earth

The apparent size of the earth from the moon is about four times larger than the moon appears from the earth, so the subtended solid angle is sixteen times larger. Earth's albedo is about 30%, about 2.5 times greater than the moon's, so a full earth would provide about 40 times as much light to the moon than a full moon provides to the earth.

The sunlight reflected by the full moon onto the Earth is about 250,000 times dimmer than the light we get directly from the Sun in the daytime[nb]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_photography#Moonlight_photography[/nb] (18 f-stops in photography). That means the sunlight reflected by the full earth onto the moon is more than 6,000 times dimmer than light reaching the moon directly from the sun (13 f-stops).

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should of illuminated the Moon with the Sun's reflected light making it possible to see the moon right throughout the day during the eclipse.

That would depend on how bright the part of the moon illuminated by earthshine alone is and how bright the atmosphere is. For a few days after new moon, it's indeed possible (even easy) to see "the old moon in the new moon's arms" after sunset (or the new moon in the old moon's arms before sunrise a few days before a new moon, but it seems unlikely that you would be interested in that). When the sun is up, the sky is normally too bright to see this, but you've been shown pictures of the moon illuminated by earthshine during total eclipse but chose to ignore those. Why?

This is the same reason you don't see even the brightest stars or planets during daytime; they're there, but the sky itself is simply too bright to be able to see them under normal conditions.

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You can't have it both ways.

No need to "have it both ways." What matters is whether the earthshine-only lit part of the moon is bright enough to see against the scattered light of the atmosphere. You seem unfamiliar with technical aspects of photography, but a difference of even 10 f-stops is a lot!
 
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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #947 on: September 01, 2017, 04:38:02 AM »
The Black Sun was where your brethren said the Moon would be and your point is ..... They are bound to say that as this reinforces your heliocentric deception.

Or... the simpler explanation is that your "black sun" is the moon. How does your "black sun" fare in the "duck test"[nb]If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.[/nb]?

It's exactly where the moon is.

It's exactly the same apparent size as the moon.

Its edge profile is exactly the same as the moon's.

It's probably the moon. This also avoids the bother of temporarily stashing the moon somewhere else during the eclipse (Asia?) and conjuring up a new object, then restoring the moon and disposing of the new object.

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The Moon is visible in the day.

Sometimes, yes.

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The Moon was not visible during the eclipse as it allegedly approached the Sun or retreated from the Sun.

It's an exceedingly thin crescent that's lost in the glare of the sun as it approaches and retreats. Once it starts blocking the sun, it's visible in silhouette.

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This is because as the video I provided illustrated the Black Sun eclipses the Sun not the Moon.

Which video? Did you provide one from a high-altitude weather balloon you say shows this? I must have missed it.

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Back lit objects only appear black to cameras not the naked eye.

Not necessarily. It depends on how much additional light is falling on the side that's not directly illuminated, exposure settings, and a host of other things.

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On your heliocentric model you claim the Moon is illuminated by the Sun.

Very good. Although it's more than a "claim".

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For example the dusty Moon is able to illuminate the earth using light reflected from the Sun.

The average albedo of the moon is about 12%. That mean it reflects about 12% of the light that falls on its surface. At times near full moon, its reflected light does provide enough light for dark-adapted eyes to see reasonably well with. The range of light levels a healthy human eye can see in is pretty impressive, really!

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If this is correct then the much larger much more reflective earth

The apparent size of the earth from the moon is about four times larger than the moon appears from the earth, so the subtended solid angle is sixteen times larger. Earth's albedo is about 30%, about 2.5 times greater than the moon's, so a full earth would provide about 40 times as much light to the moon than a full moon provides to the earth.

The sunlight reflected by the full moon onto the Earth is about 250,000 times dimmer than the light we get directly from the Sun in the daytime[nb]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_photography#Moonlight_photography[/nb] (18 f-stops in photography). That means the sunlight reflected by the full earth onto the moon is more than 6,000 times dimmer than light reaching the moon directly from the sun (13 f-stops).

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should of illuminated the Moon with the Sun's reflected light making it possible to see the moon right throughout the day during the eclipse.

That would depend on how bright the part of the moon illuminated by earthshine alone is and how bright the atmosphere is. For a few days after new moon, it's indeed possible (even easy) to see "the old moon in the new moon's arms" after sunset (or the new moon in the old moon's arms before sunrise a few days before a new moon, but it seems unlikely that you would be interested in that). When the sun is up, the sky is normally too bright to see this, but you've been shown pictures of the moon illuminated by earthshine during total eclipse but chose to ignore those. Why?

This is the same reason you don't see even the brightest stars or planets during daytime; they're there, but the sky itself is simply too bright to be able to see them under normal conditions.

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You can't have it both ways.

No need to "have it both ways." What matters is whether the earthshine-only lit part of the moon is bright enough to see against the scattered light of the atmosphere. You seem unfamiliar with technical aspects of photography, but a difference of even 10 f-stops is a lot!

You are Incorrect.

It looks like the Black Sun .

It is the Black Sun.

The Moon is visible in the day.

The Moon is not visible throughout the eclipse.

It is not the Moon .

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #948 on: September 01, 2017, 04:42:39 AM »
You are Incorrect.

It looks like the Black Sun .

It is the Black Sun.

The Moon is visible in the day.

The Moon is not visible throughout the eclipse.

It is not the Moon .

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Repeating the same BS wont make it true.
The only time we "see" your black sun is during the eclipse. So you cannot honestly say it looks like the black sun.
Your black sun is the moon.

The amount you see varies depending upon the lighting and what you are looking at it with.

Again, it was a new moon. That means the moon is out during the day.

So if the moon MUST be visible during the day, the black sun was visible, and there was no other object akin to the moon, then the black sun MUST be the moon.

Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #949 on: September 01, 2017, 04:55:14 AM »
You are Incorrect.

It looks like the Black Sun .

It is the Black Sun.

The Moon is visible in the day.

The Moon is not visible throughout the eclipse.

It is not the Moon .

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Repeating the same BS wont make it true.
The only time we "see" your black sun is during the eclipse. So you cannot honestly say it looks like the black sun.
Your black sun is the moon.

The amount you see varies depending upon the lighting and what you are looking at it with.

Again, it was a new moon. That means the moon is out during the day.

So if the moon MUST be visible during the day, the black sun was visible, and there was no other object akin to the moon, then the black sun MUST be the moon.

I do not believe your BS .

I have never seen any real time video evidence of this magic moon that  dissappears and reappears during the eclipse.

When I witnessed the eclipse I observed a black disc passing in front of the sun.

The can remember thinking at the time something didn't seem right.

I now realise the Moon was missing.

Lol.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #950 on: September 01, 2017, 05:15:00 AM »


When I witnessed the eclipse I observed a black disc passing in front of the sun.



Maybe, just maybe, the "black disc" was the moon? Whacky I know but.......

Where were you in '99 when you saw this?

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #951 on: September 01, 2017, 05:27:47 AM »

You are Incorrect.

It looks like the Black Sun .

It is the Black Sun.

The Moon is visible in the day.

The Moon is not visible throughout the eclipse.

It is not the Moon .

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

that is not logic at all.

again, present any evidence for your claims.

where is the moon during the solar eclipse?

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #952 on: September 01, 2017, 06:15:57 AM »
I do not believe your BS .
I have never seen any real time video evidence of this magic moon that  dissappears and reappears during the eclipse.
That would be your BS. You are the one with the moon magically disappearing and reappearing later.


When I witnessed the eclipse I observed a black disc passing in front of the sun.
i.e. you witnessed the moon pass in front of the sun and saw the dark side of the moon (the actual dark side, not the far side), appearing as a black disc.

The can remember thinking at the time something didn't seem right.
It was your thinking about it.

I now realise the Moon was missing.
Nope. Not missing. You just decided to call it the black sun.

Where did you think the moon went to?
Remember, it was a new moon, so it would be out during the day, and according to you it should be visible.

Again, if it is missing the only honest, rational option left for you is to accept the black sun is the moon.

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #953 on: September 01, 2017, 06:27:52 AM »
Yes I know how the phases of the Moon work these can be verified by anyone.
Then you admit that the moon is near the sun when in its new phase instead of over Asia like you claimed.

Nice to see that we're making progress.

The Moon is nowhere near the Sun during the Solar Eclipse.
Then where was the moon?

You said that you know how the phases of the moon work and that anyone can verify it

According to the way lunar phases work, the new moon is near the sun.

Are you saying that the solar eclipse didn't happen during a new moon?

No I'm saying as is clearly illustrated by the video I provided the moon did not pass in front of the Sun.

The moon is nowhere in sight.

This is clearly illustrated by the video I provided.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

This is because as the video clearly illustrates the Black Sun Eclipses the Sun not the Moon.

Remember your claim that the moon would be visible somewhere down in asia during the eclipse? Where's the evidence for that?
If you can't provide that evidence you're a proved liar, simple as that.  :-\

Incorrect.

Lack of evidence does not prove guilt.

Evidence proves guilt REtard.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Wait...what???? "Evidence proves guilt...."?  WTF does that mean??

And again, where is this prove that the moon was over Asia during the eclipse?

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #954 on: September 01, 2017, 06:30:43 AM »
I have never seen any real time video evidence of this magic moon that  dissappears and reappears during the eclipse.
Have you ever seen the new moon when it's near the sun?

This is what it looks like:
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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #955 on: September 01, 2017, 06:56:44 AM »
This is because as the video I provided illustrated the Black Sun eclipses the Sun not the Moon.

Which video? Did you provide one from a high-altitude weather balloon you say shows this? I must have missed it.


You never addressed this. Have you found a video from a high altitude weather balloon that supports your point yet? I didn't think so.

This is the difference between someone normal like me and you Strange Heliocentric 's.

This I why I'm giving you a count down you now have eight days left.

Eight days until a video from a high altitude weather balloon shows the Moon is not eclipsing the Sun.

It's been nineteen days since you announced "eight days until a video from a high altitude weather balloon shows the Moon is not eclipsing the Sun." The eclipse occurred on schedule eight days after that announcement, exactly as predicted by the moon's motion. Where's the "video from a high altitude weather balloon shows the Moon is not eclipsing the Sun"? Can't find one?
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #956 on: September 01, 2017, 07:16:05 AM »
This is because as the video I provided illustrated the Black Sun eclipses the Sun not the Moon.

Which video? Did you provide one from a high-altitude weather balloon you say shows this? I must have missed it.


You never addressed this. Have you found a video from a high altitude weather balloon that supports your point yet? I didn't think so.

This is the difference between someone normal like me and you Strange Heliocentric 's.

This I why I'm giving you a count down you now have eight days left.

Eight days until a video from a high altitude weather balloon shows the Moon is not eclipsing the Sun.

It's been nineteen days since you announced "eight days until a video from a high altitude weather balloon shows the Moon is not eclipsing the Sun." The eclipse occurred on schedule eight days after that announcement, exactly as predicted by the moon's motion. Where's the "video from a high altitude weather balloon shows the Moon is not eclipsing the Sun"? Can't find one?

I have posted a video that shows that the Moon does not exlipse the Sun.

The video clearly shows the Black Sun which was known as Rahu to the ancients eclipsing the sun.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #957 on: September 01, 2017, 07:22:12 AM »
This is because as the video I provided illustrated the Black Sun eclipses the Sun not the Moon.

Which video? Did you provide one from a high-altitude weather balloon you say shows this? I must have missed it.


You never addressed this. Have you found a video from a high altitude weather balloon that supports your point yet? I didn't think so.

This is the difference between someone normal like me and you Strange Heliocentric 's.

This I why I'm giving you a count down you now have eight days left.

Eight days until a video from a high altitude weather balloon shows the Moon is not eclipsing the Sun.

It's been nineteen days since you announced "eight days until a video from a high altitude weather balloon shows the Moon is not eclipsing the Sun." The eclipse occurred on schedule eight days after that announcement, exactly as predicted by the moon's motion. Where's the "video from a high altitude weather balloon shows the Moon is not eclipsing the Sun"? Can't find one?

I have posted a video that shows that the Moon does not exlipse the Sun.

The video clearly shows the Black Sun which was known as Rahu to the ancients eclipsing the sun.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Where?

And what does "Evidence proves guilt" mean?

Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #958 on: September 01, 2017, 07:39:41 AM »
This is because as the video I provided illustrated the Black Sun eclipses the Sun not the Moon.

Which video? Did you provide one from a high-altitude weather balloon you say shows this? I must have missed it.


You never addressed this. Have you found a video from a high altitude weather balloon that supports your point yet? I didn't think so.

This is the difference between someone normal like me and you Strange Heliocentric 's.

This I why I'm giving you a count down you now have eight days left.

Eight days until a video from a high altitude weather balloon shows the Moon is not eclipsing the Sun.

It's been nineteen days since you announced "eight days until a video from a high altitude weather balloon shows the Moon is not eclipsing the Sun." The eclipse occurred on schedule eight days after that announcement, exactly as predicted by the moon's motion. Where's the "video from a high altitude weather balloon shows the Moon is not eclipsing the Sun"? Can't find one?

I have posted a video that shows that the Moon does not exlipse the Sun.

The video clearly shows the Black Sun which was known as Rahu to the ancients eclipsing the sun.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Where?
I believe he's referring to https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=71435.msg1948557#msg1948557 this post. I didn't bother watching the whole thing, as the first 6 or so minutes has nothing to do with either solar eclipses, or what is being shown in the video. A little ways down Canadabear comments on it with the following though:
"that guy is only repeating a lot of religious bullshit. nothing has to do with real science.

and where he quotes science he used it absolutely and willingly wrong."

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #959 on: September 01, 2017, 08:44:00 AM »
This is because as the video I provided illustrated the Black Sun eclipses the Sun not the Moon.

Which video? Did you provide one from a high-altitude weather balloon you say shows this? I must have missed it.


You never addressed this. Have you found a video from a high altitude weather balloon that supports your point yet? I didn't think so.

This is the difference between someone normal like me and you Strange Heliocentric 's.

This I why I'm giving you a count down you now have eight days left.

Eight days until a video from a high altitude weather balloon shows the Moon is not eclipsing the Sun.

It's been nineteen days since you announced "eight days until a video from a high altitude weather balloon shows the Moon is not eclipsing the Sun." The eclipse occurred on schedule eight days after that announcement, exactly as predicted by the moon's motion. Where's the "video from a high altitude weather balloon shows the Moon is not eclipsing the Sun"? Can't find one?

I have posted a video that shows that the Moon does not exlipse the Sun.

The video clearly shows the Black Sun which was known as Rahu to the ancients eclipsing the sun.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

oh you base your believe on ancient religious fairy tails.
no wonder you also do not believe in doctors i like to see how you cure a broken leg with prayers.

BTW. you believe in Computer and so, try to find that in you ancient texts.