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Title: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on July 26, 2017, 02:51:59 PM


How will this Eclipse be possible on your Heliocentric model ?

The producer in this video gives a detailed description of how and why the upcoming solar Eclipse is impossibe on the Heliocentric Globe Model.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Bullwinkle on July 26, 2017, 02:58:02 PM
How about a synopsis before I click on something you saw on the interweb.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Crutchwater on July 26, 2017, 03:34:56 PM
How about a synopsis before I click on something you saw on the interweb.

It's certainly some whack-job flatwad fucktard kunspeerisah video....

I have yet to se ANY logical flat earth explanation for a solar eclpse... At least not one that doesn't blow big holes in some other flattie model.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: dutchy on July 26, 2017, 04:18:44 PM
See the earth and moon as one big cosmic caroussel in the ''globe reality''.
Althaugh the outer carriages on a normal caroussel go much faster than the centre of the caroussel, they maintain their relative position towards one another.
If you would record the speed, the outer carriages go much faster than the inner centre.

What NASA and globers want you to believe is that althaugh both the moon and earth move in the same direction, the moon goes much faster.
Moon orbital speed  = 3.683 km per hour
Earth's rotational speed = 1670 km per hour near the equator

By claiming that the moon goes much faster than earth's rotation and the casted shadow is therefor going east to west is a pseudo explaination  for the moving eclipse from Oregon to South Carolina 

The caroussel analogy clearly explains the problem.
Althaugh the carriages on the outside go faster they never are able to overtake the slower centre.
The maintain their relative position towards one another.
The moon supposedly travels faster than earth, but the fact of the matter is the moon is relatively much slower.
The earth takes 24 hours to make one revolution whereas the moon takes more than 27 days to go around earth.

With that in mind and a cosmic caroussel where the moon is the much faster outer carriage and the earth the slower centre.
Relatively the centre is even faster than the outside because it spins around it axes  faster than that the moon goes around earth.

How do we visualise this ?
Enter a huge caroussel and take a position in the centre.
Now make a full turn...you will notice that you actually seem to have overtaken the outside carriages ??
But when you would measure the actuall speed, the outside carriages would go faster than my measerable slow revolution in the centre.
Let alone 27 revolutions in the centre compared to ONE revolution of the outside !

This eclipse cannot occur from East to West in North America, no matter what the actuall speed of the moon is.
The earth's rotation is to fast for the moon the play catch up and the eclips could only occur the other way around !No matter what shadow was cast.

Good find !!!
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: hoppy on July 26, 2017, 05:06:28 PM
It is indeed a good find, it is taking the REtards more than 2 hours to find some kind of poo to throw on this. Tick tock, tick tock.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: MicroBeta on July 26, 2017, 06:44:56 PM
When you take into account the velocity of the earths rotation, the velocity of the moon's orbit and the velocity of the earth-moon around the sun...the eclipse goes west to east.  Almost always.

https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/4390

Mike
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: sokarul on July 26, 2017, 06:45:24 PM
Two flat brainers at work. Hoppy, still never been in s proper debate.

Why does the solar eclipse only happen during the new moon phase?
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Bullwinkle on July 26, 2017, 06:52:39 PM
How about a synopsis before I click on something you saw on the interweb.

It's certainly some whack-job flatwad fucktard kunspeerisah video....



Don't quote me if you are just going to be a mouthy piece of shit ass hole.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Crutchwater on July 26, 2017, 07:08:55 PM
How about a synopsis before I click on something you saw on the interweb.

It's certainly some whack-job flatwad fucktard kunspeerisah video....



Don't quote me if you are just going to be a mouthy piece of shit ass hole.

Well, I clicked and watched it...

I was right!
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Silicon on July 26, 2017, 07:20:40 PM
When you take into account the velocity of the earths rotation, the velocity of the moon's orbit and the velocity of the earth-moon around the sun...the eclipse goes west to east.  Almost always.

https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/4390

Mike

Care to explain the size of the moon's shadow on the earth?  How is that possible.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: JerkFace on July 26, 2017, 08:07:55 PM
When you take into account the velocity of the earths rotation, the velocity of the moon's orbit and the velocity of the earth-moon around the sun...the eclipse goes west to east.  Almost always.

https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/4390

Mike

Care to explain the size of the moon's shadow on the earth?  How is that possible.

Sigh! ...   Draw or find a diagram of the Earth/Moon/Sun to scale and you'll understand.
https://tomroelandts.com/articles/earth-moon-system-to-scale

If you want to explore the entire solar system at true scale..
http://joshworth.com/dev/pixelspace/pixelspace_solarsystem.html


Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Silicon on July 26, 2017, 08:17:44 PM
When you take into account the velocity of the earths rotation, the velocity of the moon's orbit and the velocity of the earth-moon around the sun...the eclipse goes west to east.  Almost always.

https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/4390

Mike

Care to explain the size of the moon's shadow on the earth?  How is that possible.

Sigh! ...   Draw or find a diagram of the Earth/Moon/Sun to scale and you'll understand.
https://tomroelandts.com/articles/earth-moon-system-to-scale

If you want to explore the entire solar system at true scale..
http://joshworth.com/dev/pixelspace/pixelspace_solarsystem.html


Oh please.  How bout we look at some 'Official Time Lapse Photos' of the 2016 eclipse.  I do not see how that animation can be reconciled with these photos.

http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/goes/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/1750x2750_AHIM08_B1_NHS_animated_2016068_233000_86_2016069_043000_86_X.mp4

https://eoimages.gsfc.nasa.gov/images/imagerecords/87000/87675/eclipse_epc_2016068.gif

/edit

Not to mention that animation does not even make sense.  Are people who believe this stuff on drugs?
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: JerkFace on July 26, 2017, 08:23:54 PM
When you take into account the velocity of the earths rotation, the velocity of the moon's orbit and the velocity of the earth-moon around the sun...the eclipse goes west to east.  Almost always.

https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/4390

Mike

Care to explain the size of the moon's shadow on the earth?  How is that possible.

Sigh! ...   Draw or find a diagram of the Earth/Moon/Sun to scale and you'll understand.
https://tomroelandts.com/articles/earth-moon-system-to-scale

If you want to explore the entire solar system at true scale..
http://joshworth.com/dev/pixelspace/pixelspace_solarsystem.html


Oh please.  How bout we look at some 'Official Time Lapse Photos' of the 2016 eclipse.  I do not see how that animation can be reconciled with these photos.

http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/goes/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/1750x2750_AHIM08_B1_NHS_animated_2016068_233000_86_2016069_043000_86_X.mp4

https://eoimages.gsfc.nasa.gov/images/imagerecords/87000/87675/eclipse_epc_2016068.gif

/edit

Not to mention that animation does not even make sense.  Are people who believe this stuff on drugs?

They look fine to me,  what do you think doesn't make sense?
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Silicon on July 26, 2017, 10:24:27 PM
When you take into account the velocity of the earths rotation, the velocity of the moon's orbit and the velocity of the earth-moon around the sun...the eclipse goes west to east.  Almost always.

https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/4390

Mike

Care to explain the size of the moon's shadow on the earth?  How is that possible.

Sigh! ...   Draw or find a diagram of the Earth/Moon/Sun to scale and you'll understand.
https://tomroelandts.com/articles/earth-moon-system-to-scale

If you want to explore the entire solar system at true scale..
http://joshworth.com/dev/pixelspace/pixelspace_solarsystem.html


Oh please.  How bout we look at some 'Official Time Lapse Photos' of the 2016 eclipse.  I do not see how that animation can be reconciled with these photos.

http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/goes/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/1750x2750_AHIM08_B1_NHS_animated_2016068_233000_86_2016069_043000_86_X.mp4

https://eoimages.gsfc.nasa.gov/images/imagerecords/87000/87675/eclipse_epc_2016068.gif

/edit

Not to mention that animation does not even make sense.  Are people who believe this stuff on drugs?

They look fine to me,  what do you think doesn't make sense?

The penumbra is massive in the animation, it's not in the photos.  In globe theory, the penumbra would have to be still larger. But we see an even smaller shadow in reality of course because the earth is not a globe.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: rabinoz on July 26, 2017, 10:48:05 PM

They look fine to me,  what do you think doesn't make sense?

The penumbra is massive in the animation, it's not in the photos.  In globe theory, the penumbra would have to be still larger. But we see an even smaller shadow in reality of course because the earth is not a globe.

Mt Silicon please draw a diagram to correct scale of the sun-moon-earth system.
Or better still an animation to correct scale.

Then we'll talk!

By the way, the dark area is not the umbra, the umbra is just a spot in the middle.
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/qjm59umkb0fqun4/Eclipse%20from%20space%20-%201750x2750_AHIM08_B1_NHS_animated_2.jpg?dl=1)
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: rabinoz on July 26, 2017, 11:31:46 PM


How will this Eclipse be possible on your Heliocentric model ?

The producer in this video gives a detailed description of how and why the upcoming solar Eclipse is impossibe on the Heliocentric Globe Model.

But he''s quite incorrect, as are all the videos you dredge up from out of the trash-can.

The shadow moves from west to east because the moon is travelling faster than the surface of the earth.
Quote from:  Joe Rao
How Long Will the 2017 Solar Eclipse Last?
The umbral shadow is projected out into space by the moon and is shaped like a long, tapering cone. That shadow cone is about 235,000 miles (378,000 kilometers) long. But the moon's average distance from Earth is about 239,000 miles (385,000 km).

So, in order for the umbra to touch the Earth, it must be closer than the average Earth-moon distance. But even when the moon is at the closest point to Earth in its elliptical orbit, the umbra is but a dark "dot" measuring no more than 170 miles (274 km) across. And many times, the shadow width is considerably smaller than that. During the Aug. 21 total solar eclipse, for example, the shadow will average only about 68 miles (109 km) wide.

The other thing to take under consideration is the speed of the shadow. During its orbit around Earth from west to east, the moon moves at an average speed of 2,288 mph (3,683 km/h). Because the natural satellite is traveling in an elliptical orbit, the moon's speed is not constant; the object moves faster when it's closer to Earth.

The moon's shadow moves at the same speed as the moon itself. So one might think that during a solar eclipse, the speed of the moon's umbra on the Earth would average close to 2,300 mph (3,700 km/h).

From: Space.com, How Long Will the 2017 Solar Eclipse Last? Depends Where You Are (https://www.space.com/36388-total-solar-eclipse-2017-duration.html)
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: napoleon on July 26, 2017, 11:32:48 PM


How will this Eclipse be possible on your Heliocentric model ?

The producer in this video gives a detailed description of how and why the upcoming solar Eclipse is impossibe on the Heliocentric Globe Model.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
You FE-ers like to make your own observations, right?...right!...
If you look up outside in daytime, you will see the sun up in the sky, right?...right!...
we know the moon orbits the earth CCW (if you look down on Earth from the North pole), right?...right!...
so, you will see the moon passing before the sun from right to left during solar eclipse on Northern Hemisphere, right?...right!...
moon on the right side of sun will cast a shadow on westside of Earth, right?...right!...
moon on the left side of sun will cast a shadow on eastside of Earth, right?...right!...
so, shadow of moon will travel from west to east on earth, right?...right!...


ok then.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Sentinel on July 26, 2017, 11:52:02 PM
Since SHM calculations had been used to predict this very eclipse I don't know why this fail thread should be worth any response other than: Try harder next time, flattard.  ::)
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Zammo on July 27, 2017, 12:13:42 AM
"Seek and ye shall find" flattards.

https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/4579

"Attempting to use my brain is futile" proves the earth is a globe again.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: dutchy on July 27, 2017, 12:40:20 AM
"Seek and ye shall find" flattards.

https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/4579

"Attempting to use my brain is futile" proves the earth is a globe again.
You mean this false representation of reality from NASA ?
In this animation the outer carriage (moon) overtakes the inner circle earth  ( see the way the shadow travels from east to west )
Even when the earth rotated 27 times slower and the relative position between the moon and earth would be in perfect sync like a caroussel the casted shadow would have been freezed in the same spot without moving !!!

In your heliocentric model the centre earth overtakes the moon by a huge margin of 27 times.
So what magical shadow is able to show the opposite, as if the moon overtakes the centre ?
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: JerkFace on July 27, 2017, 12:41:10 AM
When you take into account the velocity of the earths rotation, the velocity of the moon's orbit and the velocity of the earth-moon around the sun...the eclipse goes west to east.  Almost always.

https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/4390

Mike

Care to explain the size of the moon's shadow on the earth?  How is that possible.

Sigh! ...   Draw or find a diagram of the Earth/Moon/Sun to scale and you'll understand.
https://tomroelandts.com/articles/earth-moon-system-to-scale

If you want to explore the entire solar system at true scale..
http://joshworth.com/dev/pixelspace/pixelspace_solarsystem.html


Oh please.  How bout we look at some 'Official Time Lapse Photos' of the 2016 eclipse.  I do not see how that animation can be reconciled with these photos.

http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/goes/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/1750x2750_AHIM08_B1_NHS_animated_2016068_233000_86_2016069_043000_86_X.mp4

https://eoimages.gsfc.nasa.gov/images/imagerecords/87000/87675/eclipse_epc_2016068.gif

/edit

Not to mention that animation does not even make sense.  Are people who believe this stuff on drugs?

They look fine to me,  what do you think doesn't make sense?

The penumbra is massive in the animation, it's not in the photos.  In globe theory, the penumbra would have to be still larger. But we see an even smaller shadow in reality of course because the earth is not a globe.

I think you are just confused,   try thinking of the region of total eclipse as the area you have to stand to get near perfect alignment of moon and sun,   you don't have to move all that far before they aren't in perfect alignment anymore,  hence the area of totality is only relatively small.   100km?






Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: JerkFace on July 27, 2017, 12:42:45 AM
"Seek and ye shall find" flattards.

https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/4579

"Attempting to use my brain is futile" proves the earth is a globe again.
You mean this false representation of reality from NASA ?
In this animation the outer carriage (moon) overtakes the inner circle earth  ( see the way the shadow travels from east to west )
Even when the earth rotated 27 times slower and the relative position between the moon and earth would be in perfect sync like a caroussel the casted shadow would have been freezed in the same spot without moving !!!

In your heliocentric model the centre earth overtakes the moon by a huge margin of 27 times.
So what magical shadow is able to show the opposite, as if the moon overtakes the centre ?

Are you serious?  Or was that just trolling.... 
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Zammo on July 27, 2017, 12:44:04 AM
"Seek and ye shall find" flattards.

https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/4579

"Attempting to use my brain is futile" proves the earth is a globe again.
You mean this false representation of reality from NASA ?
In this animation the outer carriage (moon) overtakes the inner circle earth  ( see the way the shadow travels from east to west )
Even when the earth rotated 27 times slower and the relative position between the moon and earth would be in perfect sync like a caroussel the casted shadow would have been freezed in the same spot without moving !!!

In your heliocentric model the centre earth overtakes the moon by a huge margin of 27 times.
So what magical shadow is able to show the opposite, as if the moon overtakes the centre ?

Are you serious?  Or was that just trolling....

He must be trolling. He can't actually be that stupid.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on July 27, 2017, 01:54:13 AM


How will this Eclipse be possible on your Heliocentric model ?

The producer in this video gives a detailed description of how and why the upcoming solar Eclipse is impossibe on the Heliocentric Globe Model.

But he''s quite incorrect, as are all the videos you dredge up from out of the trash-can.

The shadow moves from west to east because the moon is travelling faster than the surface of the earth.
Quote from:  Joe Rao
How Long Will the 2017 Solar Eclipse Last?
The umbral shadow is projected out into space by the moon and is shaped like a long, tapering cone. That shadow cone is about 235,000 miles (378,000 kilometers) long. But the moon's average distance from Earth is about 239,000 miles (385,000 km).

So, in order for the umbra to touch the Earth, it must be closer than the average Earth-moon distance. But even when the moon is at the closest point to Earth in its elliptical orbit, the umbra is but a dark "dot" measuring no more than 170 miles (274 km) across. And many times, the shadow width is considerably smaller than that. During the Aug. 21 total solar eclipse, for example, the shadow will average only about 68 miles (109 km) wide.

The other thing to take under consideration is the speed of the shadow. During its orbit around Earth from west to east, the moon moves at an average speed of 2,288 mph (3,683 km/h). Because the natural satellite is traveling in an elliptical orbit, the moon's speed is not constant; the object moves faster when it's closer to Earth.

The moon's shadow moves at the same speed as the moon itself. So one might think that during a solar eclipse, the speed of the moon's umbra on the Earth would average close to 2,300 mph (3,700 km/h).

From: Space.com, How Long Will the 2017 Solar Eclipse Last? Depends Where You Are (https://www.space.com/36388-total-solar-eclipse-2017-duration.html)

No you are INCORRECT.

The Moon on your model takes 27 days to orbit the earth .

The Earth takes 24 hours per revolution.

I ask you again .

How is the Solar Eclipse on the 21.08.17 possible on your model.?

Is the Earth going to start spinning the other way  ;D

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Zammo on July 27, 2017, 02:09:03 AM


How will this Eclipse be possible on your Heliocentric model ?

The producer in this video gives a detailed description of how and why the upcoming solar Eclipse is impossibe on the Heliocentric Globe Model.

But he''s quite incorrect, as are all the videos you dredge up from out of the trash-can.

The shadow moves from west to east because the moon is travelling faster than the surface of the earth.
Quote from:  Joe Rao
How Long Will the 2017 Solar Eclipse Last?
The umbral shadow is projected out into space by the moon and is shaped like a long, tapering cone. That shadow cone is about 235,000 miles (378,000 kilometers) long. But the moon's average distance from Earth is about 239,000 miles (385,000 km).

So, in order for the umbra to touch the Earth, it must be closer than the average Earth-moon distance. But even when the moon is at the closest point to Earth in its elliptical orbit, the umbra is but a dark "dot" measuring no more than 170 miles (274 km) across. And many times, the shadow width is considerably smaller than that. During the Aug. 21 total solar eclipse, for example, the shadow will average only about 68 miles (109 km) wide.

The other thing to take under consideration is the speed of the shadow. During its orbit around Earth from west to east, the moon moves at an average speed of 2,288 mph (3,683 km/h). Because the natural satellite is traveling in an elliptical orbit, the moon's speed is not constant; the object moves faster when it's closer to Earth.

The moon's shadow moves at the same speed as the moon itself. So one might think that during a solar eclipse, the speed of the moon's umbra on the Earth would average close to 2,300 mph (3,700 km/h).

From: Space.com, How Long Will the 2017 Solar Eclipse Last? Depends Where You Are (https://www.space.com/36388-total-solar-eclipse-2017-duration.html)

No you are INCORRECT.

The Moon on your model takes 27 days to orbit the earth .

The Earth takes 24 hours per revolution.

I ask you again .

How is the Solar Eclipse on the 21.08.17 possible on your model.?

Is the Earth going to start spinning the other way  ;D

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

It's quite simple. The link in my first post has a video model that a child could understand. Your inability to grasp the velocity of the moon's orbit exceeding the earth's rotation is of no consequence to the fact the moon's umbra moves from West to East. It makes perfect sense to those of us with functioning brains. Watch the video over and over and try and turn your brain on. (I'll help you a little, as you seem to be struggling. The moon is a long way from the earth in our model - the correct model😉)
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on July 27, 2017, 02:37:30 AM


How will this Eclipse be possible on your Heliocentric model ?

The producer in this video gives a detailed description of how and why the upcoming solar Eclipse is impossibe on the Heliocentric Globe Model.

But he''s quite incorrect, as are all the videos you dredge up from out of the trash-can.

The shadow moves from west to east because the moon is travelling faster than the surface of the earth.
Quote from:  Joe Rao
How Long Will the 2017 Solar Eclipse Last?
The umbral shadow is projected out into space by the moon and is shaped like a long, tapering cone. That shadow cone is about 235,000 miles (378,000 kilometers) long. But the moon's average distance from Earth is about 239,000 miles (385,000 km).

So, in order for the umbra to touch the Earth, it must be closer than the average Earth-moon distance. But even when the moon is at the closest point to Earth in its elliptical orbit, the umbra is but a dark "dot" measuring no more than 170 miles (274 km) across. And many times, the shadow width is considerably smaller than that. During the Aug. 21 total solar eclipse, for example, the shadow will average only about 68 miles (109 km) wide.

The other thing to take under consideration is the speed of the shadow. During its orbit around Earth from west to east, the moon moves at an average speed of 2,288 mph (3,683 km/h). Because the natural satellite is traveling in an elliptical orbit, the moon's speed is not constant; the object moves faster when it's closer to Earth.

The moon's shadow moves at the same speed as the moon itself. So one might think that during a solar eclipse, the speed of the moon's umbra on the Earth would average close to 2,300 mph (3,700 km/h).

From: Space.com, How Long Will the 2017 Solar Eclipse Last? Depends Where You Are (https://www.space.com/36388-total-solar-eclipse-2017-duration.html)

No you are INCORRECT.

The Moon on your model takes 27 days to orbit the earth .

The Earth takes 24 hours per revolution.

I ask you again .

How is the Solar Eclipse on the 21.08.17 possible on your model.?

Is the Earth going to start spinning the other way  ;D

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

It's quite simple. The link in my first post has a video model that a child could understand. Your inability to grasp the velocity of the moon's orbit exceeding the earth's rotation is of no consequence to the fact the moon's umbra moves from West to East. It makes perfect sense to those of us with functioning brains. Watch the video over and over and try and turn your brain on. (I'll help you a little, as you seem to be struggling. The moon is a long way from the earth in our model - the correct model😉)


That is Heliocentric nonsense.

It is impossible for the moon's orbit velocity to exceed that of the Earth's rotatation.

The rotation of the Earth is 27 times faster than the Moon's orbit on your model.

Quote explaining the Moon's alleged orbit.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon

Are you claiming that the Moon orbits the Earth in less than 12 hours on your model ?

Quote explaining The Earth's alleged rotatation.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_rotation

The Earth  allegedly rotates    anticlockwise.

How is it possible for the Total Eclipse to start in the west and finish in the East as it will in reality on the 21.08.17   

This Solar Eclipse Debunks your Heliocentric Globe Fairytale.



Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: napoleon on July 27, 2017, 02:46:14 AM
Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile link=topic=71435.msg1935363#msg1935363
No you are INCORRECT.

The Moon on your model takes 27 days to orbit the earth .

The Earth takes 24 hours per revolution.

I ask you again .

How is the Solar Eclipse on the 21.08.17 possible on your model.?

Is the Earth going to start spinning the other way  ;D

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Seen from Earth, the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, because of the rotation of the Earth is Counter Clockwise and 24 hours
The moons rotation is also counter clockwise but roughly 27 days.
So, seen from Earth, the moon also rises from the east and sets in the west.

nothing special there. Nevertheless if you look at the sun during solar eclipse you will see that the moon will aproach and pass the sun from west to east. thefore, its shadow will also travel from west to east.

it really is not that difficult.

Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Zammo on July 27, 2017, 02:46:32 AM


How will this Eclipse be possible on your Heliocentric model ?

The producer in this video gives a detailed description of how and why the upcoming solar Eclipse is impossibe on the Heliocentric Globe Model.

But he''s quite incorrect, as are all the videos you dredge up from out of the trash-can.

The shadow moves from west to east because the moon is travelling faster than the surface of the earth.
Quote from:  Joe Rao
How Long Will the 2017 Solar Eclipse Last?
The umbral shadow is projected out into space by the moon and is shaped like a long, tapering cone. That shadow cone is about 235,000 miles (378,000 kilometers) long. But the moon's average distance from Earth is about 239,000 miles (385,000 km).

So, in order for the umbra to touch the Earth, it must be closer than the average Earth-moon distance. But even when the moon is at the closest point to Earth in its elliptical orbit, the umbra is but a dark "dot" measuring no more than 170 miles (274 km) across. And many times, the shadow width is considerably smaller than that. During the Aug. 21 total solar eclipse, for example, the shadow will average only about 68 miles (109 km) wide.

The other thing to take under consideration is the speed of the shadow. During its orbit around Earth from west to east, the moon moves at an average speed of 2,288 mph (3,683 km/h). Because the natural satellite is traveling in an elliptical orbit, the moon's speed is not constant; the object moves faster when it's closer to Earth.

The moon's shadow moves at the same speed as the moon itself. So one might think that during a solar eclipse, the speed of the moon's umbra on the Earth would average close to 2,300 mph (3,700 km/h).

From: Space.com, How Long Will the 2017 Solar Eclipse Last? Depends Where You Are (https://www.space.com/36388-total-solar-eclipse-2017-duration.html)

No you are INCORRECT.

The Moon on your model takes 27 days to orbit the earth .

The Earth takes 24 hours per revolution.

I ask you again .

How is the Solar Eclipse on the 21.08.17 possible on your model.?

Is the Earth going to start spinning the other way  ;D

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

It's quite simple. The link in my first post has a video model that a child could understand. Your inability to grasp the velocity of the moon's orbit exceeding the earth's rotation is of no consequence to the fact the moon's umbra moves from West to East. It makes perfect sense to those of us with functioning brains. Watch the video over and over and try and turn your brain on. (I'll help you a little, as you seem to be struggling. The moon is a long way from the earth in our model - the correct model😉)


That is Heliocentric nonsense.

It is impossible for the moon's orbit velocity to exceed that of the Earth's rotatation.

The rotation of the Earth is 27 times faster than the Moon's orbit on your model.

Quote explaining the Moon's alleged orbit.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon

Quote explaining The Earth's alleged rotatation.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_rotation

The Earth  allegedly rotates    anticlockwise.

How is it possible for the Total Eclipse to start in the west and finish in the East as it will in reality on the 21.08.17   

This Solar Eclipse Debunks your Heliocentric Globe Fairytale.



Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

My God you're stupid. You can't even read your own links.

From your first link on the moon's orbit:

"With a mean orbital velocity of 1.022 km/s (2,290 mph)"

From your second link on the earth's rotational speed:

" Multiplying the value in rad/s by Earth's equatorial radius of 6,378,137 m (WGS84 ellipsoid) (factors of 2π radians needed by both cancel) yields an equatorial speed of 465.1 m (1,526 ft) per second, or 1,674.4 km (1,040.4 mi) per hour."

So the moon's orbital velocity exceeds the earth's maximum rotational speed (at the equator). As I said. As your links agree with. You're confusing angular velocity with the only relevant thing in terms of the moon's umbra on the earth during eclipse - the relative absolute velocities of the moon's orbit vs the earth's rotation. The moon's orbital velocity far exceeds the earth's rotational velocity, and therefore the moon's umbra moves from West to East AS EXPECTED.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on July 27, 2017, 03:06:19 AM
Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile link=topic=71435.msg1935363#msg1935363
No you are INCORRECT.

The Moon on your model takes 27 days to orbit the earth .

The Earth takes 24 hours per revolution.

I ask you again .

How is the Solar Eclipse on the 21.08.17 possible on your model.?

Is the Earth going to start spinning the other way  ;D

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Seen from Earth, the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, because of the rotation of the Earth is Counter Clockwise and 24 hours
The moons rotation is also counter clockwise but roughly 27 days.
So, seen from Earth, the moon also rises from the east and sets in the west.

nothing special there. Nevertheless if you look at the sun during solar eclipse you will see that the moon will aproach and pass the sun from west to east. thefore, its shadow will also travel from west to east.

it really is not that difficult.

Stop talking nonsense.

For that to be possible on your model  the Moon's orbit velocity would have to be greater than the velocity of the  Earths rotation.

As explained and proved above with the quotes provided , the moon's orbit velocity is some 27 times slower than the velocity of the rotation of the earth, so it would be impossible for the Total Eclipse to be visable from west to east on your model as it will be in reality on the 21.08.17.

This because your Heliocentric Globe is a fairytale.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on July 27, 2017, 03:12:25 AM


How will this Eclipse be possible on your Heliocentric model ?

The producer in this video gives a detailed description of how and why the upcoming solar Eclipse is impossibe on the Heliocentric Globe Model.

But he''s quite incorrect, as are all the videos you dredge up from out of the trash-can.

The shadow moves from west to east because the moon is travelling faster than the surface of the earth.
Quote from:  Joe Rao
How Long Will the 2017 Solar Eclipse Last?
The umbral shadow is projected out into space by the moon and is shaped like a long, tapering cone. That shadow cone is about 235,000 miles (378,000 kilometers) long. But the moon's average distance from Earth is about 239,000 miles (385,000 km).

So, in order for the umbra to touch the Earth, it must be closer than the average Earth-moon distance. But even when the moon is at the closest point to Earth in its elliptical orbit, the umbra is but a dark "dot" measuring no more than 170 miles (274 km) across. And many times, the shadow width is considerably smaller than that. During the Aug. 21 total solar eclipse, for example, the shadow will average only about 68 miles (109 km) wide.

The other thing to take under consideration is the speed of the shadow. During its orbit around Earth from west to east, the moon moves at an average speed of 2,288 mph (3,683 km/h). Because the natural satellite is traveling in an elliptical orbit, the moon's speed is not constant; the object moves faster when it's closer to Earth.

The moon's shadow moves at the same speed as the moon itself. So one might think that during a solar eclipse, the speed of the moon's umbra on the Earth would average close to 2,300 mph (3,700 km/h).

From: Space.com, How Long Will the 2017 Solar Eclipse Last? Depends Where You Are (https://www.space.com/36388-total-solar-eclipse-2017-duration.html)

No you are INCORRECT.

The Moon on your model takes 27 days to orbit the earth .

The Earth takes 24 hours per revolution.

I ask you again .

How is the Solar Eclipse on the 21.08.17 possible on your model.?

Is the Earth going to start spinning the other way  ;D

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

It's quite simple. The link in my first post has a video model that a child could understand. Your inability to grasp the velocity of the moon's orbit exceeding the earth's rotation is of no consequence to the fact the moon's umbra moves from West to East. It makes perfect sense to those of us with functioning brains. Watch the video over and over and try and turn your brain on. (I'll help you a little, as you seem to be struggling. The moon is a long way from the earth in our model - the correct model😉)


That is Heliocentric nonsense.

It is impossible for the moon's orbit velocity to exceed that of the Earth's rotatation.

The rotation of the Earth is 27 times faster than the Moon's orbit on your model.

Quote explaining the Moon's alleged orbit.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon

Quote explaining The Earth's alleged rotatation.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_rotation

The Earth  allegedly rotates    anticlockwise.

How is it possible for the Total Eclipse to start in the west and finish in the East as it will in reality on the 21.08.17   

This Solar Eclipse Debunks your Heliocentric Globe Fairytale.



Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

My God you're stupid. You can't even read your own links.

From your first link on the moon's orbit:

"With a mean orbital velocity of 1.022 km/s (2,290 mph)"

From your second link on the earth's rotational speed:

" Multiplying the value in rad/s by Earth's equatorial radius of 6,378,137 m (WGS84 ellipsoid) (factors of 2π radians needed by both cancel) yields an equatorial speed of 465.1 m (1,526 ft) per second, or 1,674.4 km (1,040.4 mi) per hour."

So the moon's orbital velocity exceeds the earth's maximum rotational speed (at the equator). As I said. As your links agree with. You're confusing angular velocity with the only relevant thing in terms of the moon's umbra on the earth during eclipse - the relative absolute velocities of the moon's orbit vs the earth's rotation. The moon's orbital velocity far exceeds the earth's rotational velocity, and therefore the moon's umbra moves from West to East AS EXPECTED.

Stop talking nonsense.

The links provided quite clearly says the Moon takes 27 days to orbit the Earth on your model.

Are you claiming the Moon orbits the Earth more than twice a day ?

The Earth does a full revolution in 24 hours so as I said it is IMPOSSIBLE for the Moon's orbit velocity to be greater than that of the rotation of the Earth.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False. .
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: inquisitive on July 27, 2017, 03:27:53 AM
Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile link=topic=71435.msg1935363#msg1935363
No you are INCORRECT.

The Moon on your model takes 27 days to orbit the earth .

The Earth takes 24 hours per revolution.

I ask you again .

How is the Solar Eclipse on the 21.08.17 possible on your model.?

Is the Earth going to start spinning the other way  ;D

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Seen from Earth, the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, because of the rotation of the Earth is Counter Clockwise and 24 hours
The moons rotation is also counter clockwise but roughly 27 days.
So, seen from Earth, the moon also rises from the east and sets in the west.

nothing special there. Nevertheless if you look at the sun during solar eclipse you will see that the moon will aproach and pass the sun from west to east. thefore, its shadow will also travel from west to east.

it really is not that difficult.

Stop talking nonsense.

For that to be possible on your model  the Moon's orbit velocity would have to be greater than the velocity of the  Earths rotation.

As explained and proved above with the quotes provided , the moon's orbit velocity is some 27 times slower than the velocity of the rotation of the earth, so it would be impossible for the Total Eclipse to be visable from west to east on your model as it will be in reality on the 21.08.17.

This because your Heliocentric Globe is a fairytale.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Where is 'your' proven model?
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Zammo on July 27, 2017, 03:30:04 AM


How will this Eclipse be possible on your Heliocentric model ?

The producer in this video gives a detailed description of how and why the upcoming solar Eclipse is impossibe on the Heliocentric Globe Model.

But he''s quite incorrect, as are all the videos you dredge up from out of the trash-can.

The shadow moves from west to east because the moon is travelling faster than the surface of the earth.
Quote from:  Joe Rao
How Long Will the 2017 Solar Eclipse Last?
The umbral shadow is projected out into space by the moon and is shaped like a long, tapering cone. That shadow cone is about 235,000 miles (378,000 kilometers) long. But the moon's average distance from Earth is about 239,000 miles (385,000 km).

So, in order for the umbra to touch the Earth, it must be closer than the average Earth-moon distance. But even when the moon is at the closest point to Earth in its elliptical orbit, the umbra is but a dark "dot" measuring no more than 170 miles (274 km) across. And many times, the shadow width is considerably smaller than that. During the Aug. 21 total solar eclipse, for example, the shadow will average only about 68 miles (109 km) wide.

The other thing to take under consideration is the speed of the shadow. During its orbit around Earth from west to east, the moon moves at an average speed of 2,288 mph (3,683 km/h). Because the natural satellite is traveling in an elliptical orbit, the moon's speed is not constant; the object moves faster when it's closer to Earth.

The moon's shadow moves at the same speed as the moon itself. So one might think that during a solar eclipse, the speed of the moon's umbra on the Earth would average close to 2,300 mph (3,700 km/h).

From: Space.com, How Long Will the 2017 Solar Eclipse Last? Depends Where You Are (https://www.space.com/36388-total-solar-eclipse-2017-duration.html)

No you are INCORRECT.

The Moon on your model takes 27 days to orbit the earth .

The Earth takes 24 hours per revolution.

I ask you again .

How is the Solar Eclipse on the 21.08.17 possible on your model.?

Is the Earth going to start spinning the other way  ;D

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

It's quite simple. The link in my first post has a video model that a child could understand. Your inability to grasp the velocity of the moon's orbit exceeding the earth's rotation is of no consequence to the fact the moon's umbra moves from West to East. It makes perfect sense to those of us with functioning brains. Watch the video over and over and try and turn your brain on. (I'll help you a little, as you seem to be struggling. The moon is a long way from the earth in our model - the correct model😉)


That is Heliocentric nonsense.

It is impossible for the moon's orbit velocity to exceed that of the Earth's rotatation.

The rotation of the Earth is 27 times faster than the Moon's orbit on your model.

Quote explaining the Moon's alleged orbit.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon

Quote explaining The Earth's alleged rotatation.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_rotation

The Earth  allegedly rotates    anticlockwise.

How is it possible for the Total Eclipse to start in the west and finish in the East as it will in reality on the 21.08.17   

This Solar Eclipse Debunks your Heliocentric Globe Fairytale.



Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

My God you're stupid. You can't even read your own links.

From your first link on the moon's orbit:

"With a mean orbital velocity of 1.022 km/s (2,290 mph)"

From your second link on the earth's rotational speed:

" Multiplying the value in rad/s by Earth's equatorial radius of 6,378,137 m (WGS84 ellipsoid) (factors of 2π radians needed by both cancel) yields an equatorial speed of 465.1 m (1,526 ft) per second, or 1,674.4 km (1,040.4 mi) per hour."

So the moon's orbital velocity exceeds the earth's maximum rotational speed (at the equator). As I said. As your links agree with. You're confusing angular velocity with the only relevant thing in terms of the moon's umbra on the earth during eclipse - the relative absolute velocities of the moon's orbit vs the earth's rotation. The moon's orbital velocity far exceeds the earth's rotational velocity, and therefore the moon's umbra moves from West to East AS EXPECTED.

Stop talking nonsense.

The links provided quite clearly says the Moon takes 27 days to orbit the Earth on your model.

Are you claiming the Moon orbits the Earth more than twice a day ?

The Earth does a full revolution in 24 hours so as I said it is IMPOSSIBLE for the Moon's orbit velocity to be greater than that of the rotation of the Earth.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False. .

You still don't get the basics do you, you simpleton.

I'll try one more time, as you appear to have the comprehension of a retarded sloth. Just read the quotes from your own links you cretin. Moon's orbital velocity 2290mph, earth's rotational velocity at the equator 1040mph.

You are not factoring in the distance the moon travels due to its distance from the earth. Its orbit takes 27 days due to the enormous distance it needs to travel (approx 1.5 million miles per orbit) therefore its absolute velocity (not angular velocity)  exceeds the earth's rotational speed (which YES has a higher angular velocity - 24 hours vs 27 days for 360 degrees - but a much lower absolute velocity).

I can't make it any simpler for you. My four year old understood the initial video I posted and is laughing uncontrollably that an adult could be as stupid as you.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: napoleon on July 27, 2017, 03:32:54 AM
Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile link=topic=71435.msg1935363#msg1935363
No you are INCORRECT.

The Moon on your model takes 27 days to orbit the earth .

The Earth takes 24 hours per revolution.

I ask you again .

How is the Solar Eclipse on the 21.08.17 possible on your model.?

Is the Earth going to start spinning the other way  ;D

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Seen from Earth, the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, because of the rotation of the Earth is Counter Clockwise and 24 hours
The moons rotation is also counter clockwise but roughly 27 days.
So, seen from Earth, the moon also rises from the east and sets in the west.

nothing special there. Nevertheless if you look at the sun during solar eclipse you will see that the moon will aproach and pass the sun from west to east. thefore, its shadow will also travel from west to east.

it really is not that difficult.

Stop talking nonsense.

For that to be possible on your model  the Moon's orbit velocity would have to be greater than the velocity of the  Earths rotation.

As explained and proved above with the quotes provided , the moon's orbit velocity is some 27 times slower than the velocity of the rotation of the earth, so it would be impossible for the Total Eclipse to be visable from west to east on your model as it will be in reality on the 21.08.17.

This because your Heliocentric Globe is a fairytale.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Ok, I understand it is a bit too complicated for you....so, let's tear the model down and look at it in smaller pieces...hopefully you will understand then.

1. so let us say, the Earth doesn't rotate around its axis. it is tidelocked to the sun so you see the sun always at the same spot on the horizon. you would also see the moon passing by every 27 days from west to east. moonrise - moonset will be around 14 days
can you follow me on this so far?

2. next, let us say the moon does not orbit. it is on a fixed location in the sky between the sun and Earth. the earth rotates in 24 hours around its axis.
so what you are seeing now is that both the sun and moon will rise together in the east and set in the west.

1. and 2. combined is what we observe in reality:
sun and moon both rise in the east and travel west during the whole day...but because of the moons orbit from west to east, you would observe the moon passing the sun from west to east.

Hope you understand it now...otherwise I wouldn't know how to explain it to you any clearer.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: rabinoz on July 27, 2017, 03:37:19 AM

How will this Eclipse be possible on your Heliocentric model ?
The producer in this video gives a detailed description of how and why the upcoming solar Eclipse is impossibe on the Heliocentric Globe Model.
But he''s quite incorrect, as are all the videos you dredge up from out of the trash-can.

The shadow moves from west to east because the moon is travelling faster than the surface of the earth.
Quote from: Joe Rao
How Long Will the 2017 Solar Eclipse Last?
The umbral shadow is projected out into space by the moon and is shaped like a long, tapering cone. That shadow cone is about 235,000 miles (378,000 kilometers) long. But the moon's average distance from Earth is about 239,000 miles (385,000 km).

So, in order for the umbra to touch the Earth, it must be closer than the average Earth-moon distance. But even when the moon is at the closest point to Earth in its elliptical orbit, the umbra is but a dark "dot" measuring no more than 170 miles (274 km) across. And many times, the shadow width is considerably smaller than that. During the Aug. 21 total solar eclipse, for example, the shadow will average only about 68 miles (109 km) wide.

The other thing to take under consideration is the speed of the shadow. During its orbit around Earth from west to east, the moon moves at an average speed of 2,288 mph (3,683 km/h). Because the natural satellite is traveling in an elliptical orbit, the moon's speed is not constant; the object moves faster when it's closer to Earth.

The moon's shadow moves at the same speed as the moon itself. So one might think that during a solar eclipse, the speed of the moon's umbra on the Earth would average close to 2,300 mph (3,700 km/h).

From: Space.com, How Long Will the 2017 Solar Eclipse Last? Depends Where You Are (https://www.space.com/36388-total-solar-eclipse-2017-duration.html)
No you are INCORRECT.
No, Mr Resistance.is.Futile, I am quite correct!

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
.
The Moon on your model takes 27 days to orbit the earth .

The Earth takes 24 hours per revolution.
Roughly, though relative to tne sun the moon takes nearer to 29 days to orbit the earth.
But, why is that a problem?

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
I ask you again .
How is the Solar Eclipse on the 21.08.17 possible on your model.?
Quite easily, no problem at all. It is exactly as explained in my post, including the quote from Space.com.

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
Is the Earth going to start spinning the other way  ;D
No. There is no need for that!

Now I know why you are a flat earther, you simply have no understanding of anything in three dimensions, so you stick to flat things.

You get all the doctrines of your Flat Earthism Religion from those grossly erroneous Flat Earthism YouTube videos.
The trouble with you is that you don't have the understanding of even simple geometry, mechanics or physics to know how wrong they are.

Frankly, I can't be bothered to explain it in simpler terms for you. I suggest you go back to kindergarten.

PS1 Hint: The orbital velocity is the angular velocity (in radians/sec) times the orbital radius.
PS2 Please explain how this eclipse is explained on your flat earth!
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Sentinel on July 27, 2017, 03:49:54 AM
Intelligence.is.Futile at it again.  :P
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Zammo on July 27, 2017, 03:58:48 AM
Intelligence.is.Futile at it again.  :P
It's quite entertaining to watch. It's like a child repeatedly yelling 2+2=5 whilst all the adults try to explain the error to no avail. Flat earthers simply don't appear to be able to visualise a 3D Universe! Maybe their brains are flat as well?
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: markjo on July 27, 2017, 06:27:11 AM


How will this Eclipse be possible on your Heliocentric model ?

The producer in this video gives a detailed description of how and why the upcoming solar Eclipse is impossibe on the Heliocentric Globe Model.

But he''s quite incorrect, as are all the videos you dredge up from out of the trash-can.

The shadow moves from west to east because the moon is travelling faster than the surface of the earth.
Quote from:  Joe Rao
How Long Will the 2017 Solar Eclipse Last?
The umbral shadow is projected out into space by the moon and is shaped like a long, tapering cone. That shadow cone is about 235,000 miles (378,000 kilometers) long. But the moon's average distance from Earth is about 239,000 miles (385,000 km).

So, in order for the umbra to touch the Earth, it must be closer than the average Earth-moon distance. But even when the moon is at the closest point to Earth in its elliptical orbit, the umbra is but a dark "dot" measuring no more than 170 miles (274 km) across. And many times, the shadow width is considerably smaller than that. During the Aug. 21 total solar eclipse, for example, the shadow will average only about 68 miles (109 km) wide.

The other thing to take under consideration is the speed of the shadow. During its orbit around Earth from west to east, the moon moves at an average speed of 2,288 mph (3,683 km/h). Because the natural satellite is traveling in an elliptical orbit, the moon's speed is not constant; the object moves faster when it's closer to Earth.

The moon's shadow moves at the same speed as the moon itself. So one might think that during a solar eclipse, the speed of the moon's umbra on the Earth would average close to 2,300 mph (3,700 km/h).

From: Space.com, How Long Will the 2017 Solar Eclipse Last? Depends Where You Are (https://www.space.com/36388-total-solar-eclipse-2017-duration.html)

No you are INCORRECT.

The Moon on your model takes 27 days to orbit the earth .

The Earth takes 24 hours per revolution.

I ask you again .

How is the Solar Eclipse on the 21.08.17 possible on your model.?

Is the Earth going to start spinning the other way  ;D

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
As FE'ers like to constantly remind us, the earth is rotating at 1100 mph at the equator. 

Well, the moon is orbiting the earth at just under 2300 mph.

Which do you suppose is faster?
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on July 27, 2017, 07:46:24 AM
Intelligence.is.Futile at it again.  :P
It's quite entertaining to watch. It's like a child repeatedly yelling 2+2=5 whilst all the adults try to explain the error to no avail. Flat earthers simply don't appear to be able to visualise a 3D Universe! Maybe their brains are flat as well?

Intelligence.is.Futile at it again.  :P
It's quite entertaining to watch. It's like a child repeatedly yelling 2+2=5 whilst all the adults try to explain the error to no avail. Flat earthers simply don't appear to be able to visualise a 3D Universe! Maybe their brains are flat as well?

It is quite entertaining to read the nonsense you Heliocentrics come out with.

The moon rises in the East and sets in the West.

This proves the Earth allegedly   Rotates faster than the Moon orbits the Earth on your heliocentric model.


It is not possible for the Moon to rise in the east and set in the west  if the Moon's orbit is faster than that of the rotation of the Earth.


As proven already according to your model the Moon takes 27 days to orbit the earth.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon

So your claim that the Moon's velocity is greater than the Earth's rotation is irrelevant regarding the Solar Eclipse.



As the Moon orbits anti clockwise around the Earth.

If the Moon's orbit is faster than the rotation of the earth the Moon would rise in the West and set in the East.


As anyone can see your explanation is nonsense.

I will tell you again it is impossible for the Total Eclipse to move across the Earth from West to East in the opposite direction to the Moon as it will in reality on 21.08.17 on your Heliocentric model.

As your Heliocentric model doesn't match reality it is obviously a fairytale and as such your Heliocentric Globe model will be officially DEBUNKED.


Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Sentinel on July 27, 2017, 08:42:50 AM
Intelligence.is.Futile at it again.  :P
It's quite entertaining to watch. It's like a child repeatedly yelling 2+2=5 whilst all the adults try to explain the error to no avail. Flat earthers simply don't appear to be able to visualise a 3D Universe! Maybe their brains are flat as well?

It would require an sufficient amount of brain cells in the first place to appear as flat, and at least specimens like Braincells.are.Futile doesn't seem to be up to the task at all.
It's fucking exhausting tbh, and I salute every sane person around here on this board who managed to stay for even years.  :P
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Alpha2Omega on July 27, 2017, 08:53:48 AM
Let's try this a step at a time...

The moon rises in the East and sets in the West.

Quite right.

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This proves the Earth allegedly Rotates faster than the Moon orbits the Earth on your heliocentric model.

Also correct. 24 hours vs 27 days.

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It is not possible for the Moon to rise in the east and set in the west 

Also correct.

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if the Moon's orbit is faster than that of the rotation of the Earth.

As proven already according to your model the Moon takes 27 days to orbit the earth.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon

So your claim that the Moon's velocity is greater than the Earth's rotation is irrelevant regarding the Solar Eclipse.

Here's your problem. You're confusing angular velocity (angle of rotation per unit time) with circumferential speed - the distance an object moving along a circular path travels in a given amount of time (distance per unit time).

Circumferential speed is angular velocity time radius. Angular velocity of the moon in orbit is 1/27 the angular velocity of the earth's rotation. The distance from center of earth to center of the moon is 60 times the distance from center of earth to the surface of the earth.

So the moon's circumferential speed is 60/27 the earth's circumferential speed (at the equator; circumferential speed less everywhere else on earth).

60/27= 2.2; the moon travels more than twice the distance in the same time a point on earth's equator travels, even though the moon travels only only 1/27 the angle, when measured from the center of the earth as the point on the surface. This is about the same as the others are getting, using rough numbers.

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As the Moon orbits anti clockwise around the Earth.

If the Moon's orbit is faster than the rotation of the earth the Moon would rise in the West and set in the East.

Here is the danger of confusing those two terms. Direction of rise and set are determined by the ratios of the angular velocities; circumferential speed doesn't matter here. You need to keep clear to yourself which is which if you want to understand. If you don't want to understand, then continuing to use sloppy thinking will help ensure that.

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As anyone can see your explanation is nonsense.

I hope this has made it more clear to you now. Even if you're still befuddled, maybe it's clear to everyone else.

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I will tell you again it is impossible for the Total Eclipse to move across the Earth from West to East in the opposite direction to the Moon as it will in reality on 21.08.17 on your Heliocentric model.

As your Heliocentric model doesn't match reality it is obviously a fairytale and as such your Heliocentric Globe model will be officially DEBUNKED.

You can say it all you want, but what you say has doing so has no effect on reality. Repeating what's been shown to be plainly wrong (even if you really, really do want to think it's right) only makes you look stubbornly ignorant.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: markjo on July 27, 2017, 09:12:06 AM
Quote from: http://moonblink.info/Eclipse/why/solar
It Goes The Wrong Way!

So much for how eclipses happen — but one question that often comes up is, why does the eclipse go from West to East, when the Sun and Moon go the other way?

Well, the movement of the Moon — from East to West — is, in fact, an illusion caused by the Earth's rotation. As a matter of fact, the Moon orbits in the same direction that the Earth rotates; anticlockwise, as seen from above the North pole.  But whereas the Earth takes just 24 hours to do one rotation, the Moon takes a month to go round the Earth (actually, the Moon takes 27.32 days to orbit the Earth).

This diagram illustrates the situation — but remember that it's not even remotely to scale!
(http://moonblink.info/File/Graphics/diagrams/Rotations.png)

In other words, if the Earth was sitting still, the Moon would cross the sky from West to East. It would take 14 days to cross from horizon to horizon, and another 14 days to come around into view again. But the Earth doesn't sit still — it rotates, every 24 hours, which is significantly faster than this. It's like if you're driving a car and overtake a jogger, they seem to be going backwards relative to you; the Earth rotates faster than the Moon's orbit, so the Moon seems to be going backwards, when it's actually going the same way.

So what happens to "fix" things during an eclipse? Well, the Moon orbits the Earth once a month; but the distance that it travels in that month is a whopping 2,415,256km! This means that it's moving really fast. By contrast, the Earth is a tiny 12,000km across; so for the Moon to cross in front of the Earth — for its shadow to cross the Earth — doesn't take long at all; the Moon moves 12,000km in just 3 hours. (The exact time for the eclipse to cross the Earth depends on whether the Moon is crossing over the centre of the Earth or off-centre, and on what part of its elliptical orbit the Moon is in.) So the shadow zips across much faster than the Earth's rotation, which makes its real direction apparent.

To put it another way, the Moon only has to cross a tiny part of the sky — a small fraction of its total orbit — for its shadow to cross the Earth completely. This means that for an eclipse, the Moon's own "real" movement is the main cause of its movement; so the shadow goes West-to-East.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Zammo on July 27, 2017, 04:24:08 PM
Intelligence.is.Futile at it again.  :P
It's quite entertaining to watch. It's like a child repeatedly yelling 2+2=5 whilst all the adults try to explain the error to no avail. Flat earthers simply don't appear to be able to visualise a 3D Universe! Maybe their brains are flat as well?

Intelligence.is.Futile at it again.  :P
It's quite entertaining to watch. It's like a child repeatedly yelling 2+2=5 whilst all the adults try to explain the error to no avail. Flat earthers simply don't appear to be able to visualise a 3D Universe! Maybe their brains are flat as well?

It is quite entertaining to read the nonsense you Heliocentrics come out with.

The moon rises in the East and sets in the West.

This proves the Earth allegedly   Rotates faster than the Moon orbits the Earth on your heliocentric model.


It is not possible for the Moon to rise in the east and set in the west  if the Moon's orbit is faster than that of the rotation of the Earth.


As proven already according to your model the Moon takes 27 days to orbit the earth.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon

So your claim that the Moon's velocity is greater than the Earth's rotation is irrelevant regarding the Solar Eclipse.



As the Moon orbits anti clockwise around the Earth.

If the Moon's orbit is faster than the rotation of the earth the Moon would rise in the West and set in the East.


As anyone can see your explanation is nonsense.

I will tell you again it is impossible for the Total Eclipse to move across the Earth from West to East in the opposite direction to the Moon as it will in reality on 21.08.17 on your Heliocentric model.

As your Heliocentric model doesn't match reality it is obviously a fairytale and as such your Heliocentric Globe model will be officially DEBUNKED.


Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Nope. You're still wrong. You are still coming to  the conclusion that 2+2=5 despite multiple people explaining in very clear terms your confusion between angular velocity and orbital/rotational speed. The only conclusion we can infer is that you are wilfully ignorant or profoundly stupid.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Zammo on July 27, 2017, 04:47:13 PM
I love how flat earthers can't understand this simple model, so I'll leave a very simple analogy. Thinking.is.futile won't understand it, but some flat earthers may.

Imagine a carousel with a 100m circumference in the middle of a circular racetrack with a 400m circumference. There is a bright light due North. You stand on the edge of the carousel which is rotating anticlockwise once every 10 seconds. A car is going around the racetrack anticlockwise once every 20 seconds.

Simple maths. The car must be travelling twice as fast as you (absolute velocity), as it covers 400m in 20 seconds vs 100m in 10 seconds.

You, however, are doing a full rotation at twice the rate of the car (this is angular velocity, not absolute velocity) so the car always appears to move from your left to your right as you pass it.

Now let's simulate the eclipse.

You pass the car during one of your rotations just as it moves in front of the bright light due north. As usual, the car seems to move from your left to your right, as you are rotating at double the angular velocity. But as the car is travelling twice as fast as the edge of the carousel, the shadow it forms on the carousel moves from the carousels right to its left from the perspective of any fixed point on the edge of the carousel.

This is a fact, and follows simple math. This model is what will occur during the eclipse in August. It is predictable, and people with brains can see it confirms the heliocentric model.

Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: markjo on July 27, 2017, 07:36:16 PM
I love how flat earthers can't understand this simple model...
To be fair, I do think that the idea of one object having a faster angular velocity than another object yet a slower surface speed at the same time can seem a bit counter-intuitive at first.

It probably doesn't help that the sun/earth/moon system is rarely ever shown at actual scale.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Zammo on July 27, 2017, 07:56:35 PM
I love how flat earthers can't understand this simple model...
To be fair, I do think that the idea of one object having a faster angular velocity than another object yet a slower surface speed at the same time can seem a bit counter-intuitive at first.

It probably doesn't help that the sun/earth/moon system is rarely ever shown at actual scale.

So counter-intuitive that flattards refuse to accept it despite the repeated and clear explanations!

I agree that appreciating scale is extremely helpful in understanding the concept - thus my first post in this thread which has an excellent video of how the eclipse model works to scale. This was of course duly ignored by the those with flat brains.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Arealhumanbeing on July 27, 2017, 08:13:12 PM
Ide just like to point out that those defending the silly globe Earth religion seem to constantly attack the intelligence of those merely pointing out errors they see. Calling them flattards (retards), lacking brain cells, dumber than a 4 year old, simpletons, trolls, etc.

Resistance.is.futile does not do that in every damn post.

Who needs to grow up here?

I think its obvious.

Earth is flat.

People are waking up.

Ide stop your silly charade if I were you, shills.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Alpha2Omega on July 27, 2017, 08:37:05 PM
Ide just like to point out that those defending the silly globe Earth religion seem to constantly attack the intelligence of those merely pointing out errors they see. Calling them flattards (retards), lacking brain cells, dumber than a 4 year old, simpletons, trolls, etc.

Resistance.is.futile does not do that in every damn post.

Point granted.

He does it in most, not all, of them.

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Who needs to grow up here?

I think its obvious.

Yep. I suspect we will disagree about who, though.

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Earth is flat.

Do you have any evidence for that? Evidence you understand well enough to explain in plain language would be most convincing.

Go ahead...

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People are waking up.

Are you referring to this new "woke", or is it "woken" movement?

Do you think that people arguing against facts on the Internet means whatever they say is true?

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[I'd] stop your silly charade if I were you, shills.

Thanks for expressing your opinion. If you have any facts to back them up, I'm all ears.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Zammo on July 27, 2017, 08:40:19 PM
Ide just like to point out that those defending the silly globe Earth religion seem to constantly attack the intelligence of those merely pointing out errors they see. Calling them flattards (retards), lacking brain cells, dumber than a 4 year old, simpletons, trolls, etc.

Resistance.is.futile does not do that in every damn post.

Who needs to grow up here?

I think its obvious.

Earth is flat.

People are waking up.

Ide stop your silly charade if I were you, shills.

What on earth does "Ide" mean. Damn you flattards are fools! :P

Honestly though, you can't seriously suggest resistance is futile has not been guilty of repeated ad hominem. As for flat earthers pointing out "errors" in the heliocentric reality, as is patently clear in this thread those "errors" are almost always flat earthers inability to comprehend the 3D movements of the earth, moon and sun.

Can you also not see the hypocrisy of your own post. On one hand claiming we are attacking flattards, and on the other calling the heliocentric model "silly Globe earth religion" and all defenders of it "shills"?

Grow up yourself.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Arealhumanbeing on July 27, 2017, 08:43:55 PM
Sure I have evidence that Earth is flat.

Go outside.

Its flat.

You need NASA and the government to tell you its a big floating ball.

Go ahead, respond with your tirade about how any "simpleton with half a brain" could deduce that it is a ball without the government, but thats just rubbish.

Proof? Evidence? Models?

I live in reality.

And reality says Earth is flat.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Zammo on July 27, 2017, 08:46:35 PM
Sure I have evidence that Earth is flat.

Go outside.

Its flat.


That may appear like evidence, though only to a simpleton with half a brain.....
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Arealhumanbeing on July 27, 2017, 08:53:22 PM
Ide just like to point out that those defending the silly globe Earth religion seem to constantly attack the intelligence of those merely pointing out errors they see. Calling them flattards (retards), lacking brain cells, dumber than a 4 year old, simpletons, trolls, etc.

Resistance.is.futile does not do that in every damn post.

Who needs to grow up here?

I think its obvious.

Earth is flat.

People are waking up.

Ide stop your silly charade if I were you, shills.

What on earth does "Ide" mean. Damn you flattards are fools! :P

Honestly though, you can't seriously suggest resistance is futile has not been guilty of repeated ad hominem. As for flat earthers pointing out "errors" in the heliocentric reality, as is patently clear in this thread those "errors" are almost always flat earthers inability to comprehend the 3D movements of the earth, moon and sun.

Can you also not see the hypocrisy of your own post. On one hand claiming we are attacking flattards, and on the other calling the heliocentric model "silly Globe earth religion" and all defenders of it "shills"?

Grow up yourself.

There was no hypocrisy, I did not singe any one person out, nore speaking to them directly.

Just pointing out a fact.

I would also like to point out that any lil error is jumped just for more name calling.

Oh the maturity.

Also the irony, when certain posters have a motto that says

"never argue with an idiot"

Then that certain poster calls people idiots and argues with them all night!

Yeah ill single that guy out.

Yes, you are becoming depserate, ide say.

Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: markjo on July 27, 2017, 08:57:21 PM
Yes, you are becoming depserate, ide say.
Beware the ides of Arealhumanbeing.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Arealhumanbeing on July 27, 2017, 08:57:32 PM
Sure I have evidence that Earth is flat.

Go outside.

Its flat.


That may appear like evidence, though only to a simpleton with half a brain.....

Aww cute.

Your cognitive dissonance must be a joy to live with.

Keep dreamin, space boy!

Maybe if you drop enough enema bags on your bosses desk and act insane NASA will hire you to be an astronaut! Wow! Just like Pete Conrad.  ;)
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Zammo on July 27, 2017, 09:27:06 PM
Sure I have evidence that Earth is flat.

Go outside.

Its flat.


That may appear like evidence, though only to a simpleton with half a brain.....

Aww cute.

Your cognitive dissonance must be a joy to live with.

Keep dreamin, space boy!

Maybe if you drop enough enema bags on your bosses desk and act insane NASA will hire you to be an astronaut! Wow! Just like Pete Conrad.  ;)

Why do you presume I have a boss, live in a country where NASA would hire me, or would want to be hired by NASA? So many assumptions. No wonder you think the world is flat.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Alpha2Omega on July 27, 2017, 10:02:50 PM
Sure I have evidence that Earth is flat.

Cool! Let's see it!

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Go outside.

I do. all the itme.

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Its flat.

That's your evidence?

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You need NASA and the government to tell you its a big floating ball.

No. Observations are good enough.

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Go ahead, respond with your tirade about how any "simpleton with half a brain" could deduce that it is a ball without the government, but thats just rubbish.

No. The "half a brain" comments are an unnecessary (even if provoked) sideshow.

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Proof? Evidence? Models?

Proof? Not possible. (https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/200811/common-misconceptions-about-science-i-scientific-proof)

Evidence? For a start, sunsets.

Models? How would a sunset happen if the earth were flat and the sun orbited at constant altitude above it. That's a basic premise we hear. Sunsets are trivial with a spherical earth, but a difficult problem if the earth were flat. So, how?

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I live in reality.

And reality says Earth is flat.

So you claim.

Evidence? Models?

[Edit] Correct nested quote.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: dutchy on July 28, 2017, 12:38:26 AM
I love how flat earthers can't understand this simple model, so I'll leave a very simple analogy. Thinking.is.futile won't understand it, but some flat earthers may.

Imagine a carousel with a 100m circumference in the middle of a circular racetrack with a 400m circumference. There is a bright light due North. You stand on the edge of the carousel which is rotating anticlockwise once every 10 seconds. A car is going around the racetrack anticlockwise once every 20 seconds.

Simple maths. The car must be travelling twice as fast as you (absolute velocity), as it covers 400m in 20 seconds vs 100m in 10 seconds.

You, however, are doing a full rotation at twice the rate of the car (this is angular velocity, not absolute velocity) so the car always appears to move from your left to your right as you pass it.

Now let's simulate the eclipse.

You pass the car during one of your rotations just as it moves in front of the bright light due north. As usual, the car seems to move from your left to your right, as you are rotating at double the angular velocity. But as the car is travelling twice as fast as the edge of the carousel, the shadow it forms on the carousel moves from the carousels right to its left from the perspective of any fixed point on the edge of the carousel.

This is a fact, and follows simple math. This model is what will occur during the eclipse in August. It is predictable, and people with brains can see it confirms the heliocentric model.
Let's use a real scale model.
The earth becomes a child's globe with a diameter of 30cm.
The real 2.4 million km moon orbit becomes a scaled down orbit of 60 m
The distance  from the scale moon to the scale globeearth is roughly 9 meter.
The sun is at 3.75 km in this scale set up.

When the globe has made a single revolution the scalemoon has traveled 2.2meters.
The earth has covered 94.2 cm.
So the moon does indeed go faster in the same amount of time (2.2 m vs 94.2 cm)
You can even do this set up in your own garden, if you have one of course,......(apart from the scale sun).

When you increase the actuall speed of the moon/ earth the problem becomes visible.
There shouldn't be the slightest objection as long as the scale is maintained correctly.

The globe earth has made ONE revolution allready, whereas the scale moon has covered 2.2 meters.
I cannot phantom how that could ever lead to a shadow that travels west to east !!
Contrary to the extremely offending comments of yours , please an answer that i could preferably check in my own garden , with models/ flashlights or whatever.

You should be pleased with critical thinking.
The moment we try to do that, we receive lots of contempt, but like many globers state
, "the educational system has failed", because we have abbondonad real science, testing and questioning ( Neil deGrasse Tyson)

I couldn't care less, i only started to read about it the day before yesterday and have allready more questions than your average student who is simply spoonfed.
So what is it ? Can we ask questions about your allmighty model or not, without receiveing your wrath ?
And yes, i am smart enough to realise that those working with the heliocentric model have managed to answer everything in their model.
You should wellcome every remark from flatearthers , so you are able to answer them, each and every time.

Or do you want to maintain the spoonfed educational system and make sure your reducile prevents any questions ?
So please, a real answer is very wellcome USING my correct scale model !!!!!

Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Zammo on July 28, 2017, 12:57:34 AM
I love how flat earthers can't understand this simple model, so I'll leave a very simple analogy. Thinking.is.futile won't understand it, but some flat earthers may.

Imagine a carousel with a 100m circumference in the middle of a circular racetrack with a 400m circumference. There is a bright light due North. You stand on the edge of the carousel which is rotating anticlockwise once every 10 seconds. A car is going around the racetrack anticlockwise once every 20 seconds.

Simple maths. The car must be travelling twice as fast as you (absolute velocity), as it covers 400m in 20 seconds vs 100m in 10 seconds.

You, however, are doing a full rotation at twice the rate of the car (this is angular velocity, not absolute velocity) so the car always appears to move from your left to your right as you pass it.

Now let's simulate the eclipse.

You pass the car during one of your rotations just as it moves in front of the bright light due north. As usual, the car seems to move from your left to your right, as you are rotating at double the angular velocity. But as the car is travelling twice as fast as the edge of the carousel, the shadow it forms on the carousel moves from the carousels right to its left from the perspective of any fixed point on the edge of the carousel.

This is a fact, and follows simple math. This model is what will occur during the eclipse in August. It is predictable, and people with brains can see it confirms the heliocentric model.
Let's use a real scale model.
The earth becomes a child's globe with a diameter of 30cm.
The real 2.4 million km moon orbit becomes a scaled down orbit of 60 m
The distance  from the scale moon to the scale globeearth is roughly 9 meter.
The sun is at 3.75 km in this scale set up.

When the globe has made a single revolution the scalemoon has traveled 2.2meters.
The earth has covered 94.2 cm.
So the moon does indeed go faster in the same amount of time (2.2 m vs 94.2 cm)
You can even do this set up in your own garden, if you have one of course,......(apart from the scale sun).

When you increase the actuall speed of the moon/ earth the problem becomes visible.
There shouldn't be the slightest objection as long as the scale is maintained correctly.

The globe earth has made ONE revolution allready, whereas the scale moon has covered 2.2 meters.
I cannot phantom how that could ever lead to a shadow that travels east to west !!
Contrary to the extremely offending comments of yours , please an answer that i could preferably check in my own garden , with models/ flashlights or whatever.

You should be pleased with critical thinking.
The moment we try to do that, we receive lots of contempt, but like many globers state
, "the educational system has failed", because we have abbondonad real science, testing and questioning ( Neil deGrasse Tyson)

I couldn't care less, i only started to read about it the day before yesterday and have allready more questions than your average student who is simply spoonfed.
So what is it ? Can we ask questions about your allmighty model or not, without receiveing your wrath ?
And yes, i am smart enough to realise that those working with the heliocentric model have managed to answer everything in their model.
You should wellcome every remark from flatearthers , so you are able to answer them, each and every time.

Or do you want to maintain the spoonfed educational system and make sure your reducile prevents any questions ?
So please, a real answer is very wellcome USING my correct scale model !!!!!

Have you been following this thread? The shadow doesn't travel East to West. It travels West to East as everyone (RE and FE) have been saying all along.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: dutchy on July 28, 2017, 01:01:54 AM
I love how flat earthers can't understand this simple model, so I'll leave a very simple analogy. Thinking.is.futile won't understand it, but some flat earthers may.

Imagine a carousel with a 100m circumference in the middle of a circular racetrack with a 400m circumference. There is a bright light due North. You stand on the edge of the carousel which is rotating anticlockwise once every 10 seconds. A car is going around the racetrack anticlockwise once every 20 seconds.

Simple maths. The car must be travelling twice as fast as you (absolute velocity), as it covers 400m in 20 seconds vs 100m in 10 seconds.

You, however, are doing a full rotation at twice the rate of the car (this is angular velocity, not absolute velocity) so the car always appears to move from your left to your right as you pass it.

Now let's simulate the eclipse.

You pass the car during one of your rotations just as it moves in front of the bright light due north. As usual, the car seems to move from your left to your right, as you are rotating at double the angular velocity. But as the car is travelling twice as fast as the edge of the carousel, the shadow it forms on the carousel moves from the carousels right to its left from the perspective of any fixed point on the edge of the carousel.

This is a fact, and follows simple math. This model is what will occur during the eclipse in August. It is predictable, and people with brains can see it confirms the heliocentric model.
Let's use a real scale model.
The earth becomes a child's globe with a diameter of 30cm.
The real 2.4 million km moon orbit becomes a scaled down orbit of 60 m
The distance  from the scale moon to the scale globeearth is roughly 9 meter.
The sun is at 3.75 km in this scale set up.

When the globe has made a single revolution the scalemoon has traveled 2.2meters.
The earth has covered 94.2 cm.
So the moon does indeed go faster in the same amount of time (2.2 m vs 94.2 cm)
You can even do this set up in your own garden, if you have one of course,......(apart from the scale sun).

When you increase the actuall speed of the moon/ earth the problem becomes visible.
There shouldn't be the slightest objection as long as the scale is maintained correctly.

The globe earth has made ONE revolution allready, whereas the scale moon has covered 2.2 meters.
I cannot phantom how that could ever lead to a shadow that travels east to west !!
Contrary to the extremely offending comments of yours , please an answer that i could preferably check in my own garden , with models/ flashlights or whatever.

You should be pleased with critical thinking.
The moment we try to do that, we receive lots of contempt, but like many globers state
, "the educational system has failed", because we have abbondonad real science, testing and questioning ( Neil deGrasse Tyson)

I couldn't care less, i only started to read about it the day before yesterday and have allready more questions than your average student who is simply spoonfed.
So what is it ? Can we ask questions about your allmighty model or not, without receiveing your wrath ?
And yes, i am smart enough to realise that those working with the heliocentric model have managed to answer everything in their model.
You should wellcome every remark from flatearthers , so you are able to answer them, each and every time.

Or do you want to maintain the spoonfed educational system and make sure your reducile prevents any questions ?
So please, a real answer is very wellcome USING my correct scale model !!!!!

Have you been following this thread? The shadow doesn't travel East to West. It travels West to East as everyone (RE and FE) have been saying all along.
Yes sorry Typo !!!! I will correct my post !
Now please answer !!
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: rabinoz on July 28, 2017, 01:38:36 AM
It is quite entertaining to read the nonsense you come out with.
Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
The moon rises in the East and sets in the West.
Agreed
Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile

This proves the Earth allegedly Rotates faster than the Moon orbits the Earth on your heliocentric model.
It must since the earth rotates, relative to the sun, once in 24 hours and the moon orbits the earth, relative to the sun, once in 29.53 days or 708.7 hours.
So, obviously, the angular velocity of the earth's rotation is much faster than the angular velocity of the moon's orbit.

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile

It is not possible for the Moon to rise in the east and set in the west if the Moon's orbit is faster than that of the rotation of the Earth.
The angular velocity of the Moon's orbit is not faster than the angular velocity of the rotation of the Earth

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile

As proven already according to your model the Moon takes 27 days to orbit the earth.
Yes, though, relative to the sun, the moon orbits the earth once in 29.53 days or 708.7 hours.
The significance of "relative to the sun" is that for the moon's phase to go from one full moon (with the moon on the opposite side to the sun) to the next full moon, the moon must do a little more than one complete orbit.

Have a look at
Quote from: Wikipedia
There are several different periods associated with the lunar orbit. The sidereal month is the time it takes to make one complete orbit around Earth with respect to the fixed stars. It is about 27.32 days. The synodic month is the time it takes the Moon to reach the same visual phase. This varies notably throughout the year,[14] but averages around 29.53 days. The synodic period is longer than the sidereal period because the Earth–Moon system moves in its orbit around the Sun during each sidereal month, hence a longer period is required to achieve a similar alignment of Earth, the Sun, and the Moon.

From: Wikipedia, Orbit of the Moon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon)[/url]

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon

So your claim that the Moon's velocity is greater than the Earth's rotation is irrelevant regarding the Solar Eclipse.
No, who said that? But you cannot compare velocity (a linear measure if unqualified) and rotation (an angular measure).

And this is the crux of the whole matter. At the latitude of the eclipse in August, the surface velocity of the earth is about 766 mph.
But the moon's radius will be about 231,700 miles on Aug 21 so, while it is rotating at a lower angular velocity, it's linear velocity, of about 2054 mph, is quite a lot faster than the earth's surface velocity.

So, the velocity of the moon's shadow across USA will be roughly 2054 - 766 mph (1288 mph) west to east.

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
As the Moon orbits anti-clockwise around the Earth.

Yes, "the Moon orbits anti-clockwise around the Earth".

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
If the Moon's orbit is faster than the rotation of the earth the Moon would rise in the West and set in the East.
Yes, but that not the only issue.
The radius of the earth's rotation where the eclipse will be seen is about 3000 miles, but the radius of the moon's orbit is over 230,000 miles.
And that big difference means that the  velocity of the moon's shadow is quite a lot higher than the velocity of the surface of the earth.

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
As anyone can see your explanation is nonsense.
No they cannot, the explanation given in numerous places is quite correct.

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
I will tell you again it is impossible for the Total Eclipse to move across the Earth from West to East in the opposite direction to the Moon as it will in reality on 21.08.17 on your Heliocentric model.
As I have carefully explained, you are totally incorrect!

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
As your Heliocentric model doesn't match reality it is obviously a fairytale and as such your Heliocentric Globe model will be officially DEBUNKED.
Nope! The Heliocentric Globe model matches reality very well and you have ptoven nothing.

I can't help your failure to understand it, other to try to explain it in more detail.

Here is one more, of many available explanations
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Question
Why does a solar eclipse move from west to east, while the sun moves from east to west?
                                                                                                                                                    Asked by: David Weissenberger


Answer
The Moon orbits the Earth from west to east. If you want to verify this, watch Moonrise on successive nights and you'll see that it rises later each day as the Earth's rotation needs more time to 'catch up' with the Moon in its orbit.

The Moon's orbital velocity is about 1 km/sec, so its shadow travels at that same velocity. While the Earth's rotation also proceeds from west to east, the FASTEST motion generated by that rotation is at the equator and works out to less than .5 km/sec. So the Moon's shadow moves eastward at a velocity greater than the Earth's rotational velocity at any location or time, causing it to travel west to east across the Earth's surface.

PhysLink.com, Physics & Astronomy Online. (http://www.physlink.com/education/askexperts/ae88.cfm)
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Zammo on July 28, 2017, 01:42:32 AM
I love how flat earthers can't understand this simple model, so I'll leave a very simple analogy. Thinking.is.futile won't understand it, but some flat earthers may.

Imagine a carousel with a 100m circumference in the middle of a circular racetrack with a 400m circumference. There is a bright light due North. You stand on the edge of the carousel which is rotating anticlockwise once every 10 seconds. A car is going around the racetrack anticlockwise once every 20 seconds.

Simple maths. The car must be travelling twice as fast as you (absolute velocity), as it covers 400m in 20 seconds vs 100m in 10 seconds.

You, however, are doing a full rotation at twice the rate of the car (this is angular velocity, not absolute velocity) so the car always appears to move from your left to your right as you pass it.

Now let's simulate the eclipse.

You pass the car during one of your rotations just as it moves in front of the bright light due north. As usual, the car seems to move from your left to your right, as you are rotating at double the angular velocity. But as the car is travelling twice as fast as the edge of the carousel, the shadow it forms on the carousel moves from the carousels right to its left from the perspective of any fixed point on the edge of the carousel.

This is a fact, and follows simple math. This model is what will occur during the eclipse in August. It is predictable, and people with brains can see it confirms the heliocentric model.
Let's use a real scale model.
The earth becomes a child's globe with a diameter of 30cm.
The real 2.4 million km moon orbit becomes a scaled down orbit of 60 m
The distance  from the scale moon to the scale globeearth is roughly 9 meter.
The sun is at 3.75 km in this scale set up.

When the globe has made a single revolution the scalemoon has traveled 2.2meters.
The earth has covered 94.2 cm.
So the moon does indeed go faster in the same amount of time (2.2 m vs 94.2 cm)
You can even do this set up in your own garden, if you have one of course,......(apart from the scale sun).

When you increase the actuall speed of the moon/ earth the problem becomes visible.
There shouldn't be the slightest objection as long as the scale is maintained correctly.

The globe earth has made ONE revolution allready, whereas the scale moon has covered 2.2 meters.
I cannot phantom how that could ever lead to a shadow that travels east to west !!
Contrary to the extremely offending comments of yours , please an answer that i could preferably check in my own garden , with models/ flashlights or whatever.

You should be pleased with critical thinking.
The moment we try to do that, we receive lots of contempt, but like many globers state
, "the educational system has failed", because we have abbondonad real science, testing and questioning ( Neil deGrasse Tyson)

I couldn't care less, i only started to read about it the day before yesterday and have allready more questions than your average student who is simply spoonfed.
So what is it ? Can we ask questions about your allmighty model or not, without receiveing your wrath ?
And yes, i am smart enough to realise that those working with the heliocentric model have managed to answer everything in their model.
You should wellcome every remark from flatearthers , so you are able to answer them, each and every time.

Or do you want to maintain the spoonfed educational system and make sure your reducile prevents any questions ?
So please, a real answer is very wellcome USING my correct scale model !!!!!

Have you been following this thread? The shadow doesn't travel East to West. It travels West to East as everyone (RE and FE) have been saying all along.
Yes sorry Typo !!!! I will correct my post !
Now please answer !!

It's already been answered multiple times by myself and others on this thread. It's also clearly shown in the video linked in my first reply to this thread (watch the video for a real scale answer to your question if you don't like the carousel analogy).  That you and others like RIF cannot "phantom" it is of no consequence. The reality remains, the model makes sense to those that can visualise the scale and the difference between angular velocity/orbital speed, and my simple analogy of the carousel holds. Again, you may as well jump up and down challenging me to disprove 2+2=5. If you don't believe 2+2=4, nothing I can say will change your mind.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: dutchy on July 28, 2017, 04:53:06 AM
It's already been answered multiple times by myself and others on this thread. It's also clearly shown in the video linked in my first reply to this thread (watch the video for a real scale answer to your question if you don't like the carousel analogy).  That you and others like RIF cannot "phantom" it is of no consequence. The reality remains, the model makes sense to those that can visualise the scale and the difference between angular velocity/orbital speed, and my simple analogy of the carousel holds. Again, you may as well jump up and down challenging me to disprove 2+2=5. If you don't believe 2+2=4, nothing I can say will change your mind.
Ah, as expected !!
Your globe has made a 15 degree turn over the course of only ONE hour.
Do you understand the position of North America after ONE hour ?
It has moved 15 degrees of a full 360 degrees rotation.
The moon only has completed 0.55 degrees of it's orbit.


Your spinning globe becomes your enemy, because even a 15 degree rotation is way to much.....
Now either mock me with your 2+2=5 comments, or show me why my thoughts are wrong.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: JerkFace on July 28, 2017, 05:18:01 AM
It's already been answered multiple times by myself and others on this thread. It's also clearly shown in the video linked in my first reply to this thread (watch the video for a real scale answer to your question if you don't like the carousel analogy).  That you and others like RIF cannot "phantom" it is of no consequence. The reality remains, the model makes sense to those that can visualise the scale and the difference between angular velocity/orbital speed, and my simple analogy of the carousel holds. Again, you may as well jump up and down challenging me to disprove 2+2=5. If you don't believe 2+2=4, nothing I can say will change your mind.
Ah, as expected !!
Your globe has made a 15 degree turn over the course of only ONE hour.
Do you understand the position of North America after ONE hour ?
It has moved 15 degrees of a full 360 degrees rotation.
The moon only has completed 0.55 degrees of it's orbit.


Your spinning globe becomes your enemy, because even a 15 degree rotation is way to much.....
Now either mock me with your 2+2=5 comments, or show me why my thoughts are wrong.

Umm...  I see you are serious.    That's  sad.   Why didn't  you multiply the angular velocity by the radius of the moons orbit?     ( hint: use radians not degrees)   

The speed that the shadow moves across the earth  is related to the orbital velocity,  not the angular velocity,  although the two are related  remember  l = r*theta.  so v=r*theta/sec   


EDIT: Rab,  explained it quite clearly as well as others have already done in this thread.

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon

So your claim that the Moon's velocity is greater than the Earth's rotation is irrelevant regarding the Solar Eclipse.
No, who said that? But you cannot compare velocity (a linear measure if unqualified) and rotation (an angular measure).

And this is the crux of the whole matter. At the latitude of the eclipse in August, the surface velocity of the earth is about 766 mph.
But the moon's radius will be about 231,700 miles on Aug 21 so, while it is rotating at a lower angular velocity, it's linear velocity, of about 2054 mph, is quite a lot faster than the earth's surface velocity.

So, the velocity of the moon's shadow across USA will be roughly 2054 - 766 mph (1288 mph) west to east.

Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Sentinel on July 28, 2017, 05:37:22 AM
dutchy plz: Look up angular velocity on the interwebs and try to wrap your head around why and how much the orbital velocity is affected by it for different diameters. That's grammar school stuff, really...  :-\
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: rabinoz on July 28, 2017, 05:55:12 AM
It's already been answered multiple times by myself and others on this thread. It's also clearly shown in the video linked in my first reply to this thread (watch the video for a real scale answer to your question if you don't like the carousel analogy).  That you and others like RIF cannot "phantom" it is of no consequence. The reality remains, the model makes sense to those that can visualise the scale and the difference between angular velocity/orbital speed, and my simple analogy of the carousel holds. Again, you may as well jump up and down challenging me to disprove 2+2=5. If you don't believe 2+2=4, nothing I can say will change your mind.
Ah, as expected !!
Your globe has made a 15 degree turn over the course of only ONE hour.
Do you understand the position of North America after ONE hour ?
It has moved 15 degrees of a full 360 degrees rotation.
What distance does 15 degrees of the earth's rotation cause the ground to move? Try around 1280 km.

Quote from: dutchy
The moon only has completed 0.55 degrees of it's orbit.
What distance does 0.55 degrees of the moon's orbit cause the shadow to move? Try around 3700 km.

As we have been saying all along, the moon's shadow moves faster than the surface velocity of the earth.

Quote from: dutchy
Your spinning globe becomes your enemy, because even a 15 degree rotation is way to much.....
Now either mock me with your 2+2=5 comments, or show me why my thoughts are wrong.
Nope, our spinning globe does not becomes my enemy!

So, no problem at all - it happens just as NASA and all the references say.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: markjo on July 28, 2017, 06:16:37 AM
It's already been answered multiple times by myself and others on this thread. It's also clearly shown in the video linked in my first reply to this thread (watch the video for a real scale answer to your question if you don't like the carousel analogy).  That you and others like RIF cannot "phantom" it is of no consequence. The reality remains, the model makes sense to those that can visualise the scale and the difference between angular velocity/orbital speed, and my simple analogy of the carousel holds. Again, you may as well jump up and down challenging me to disprove 2+2=5. If you don't believe 2+2=4, nothing I can say will change your mind.
Ah, as expected !!
Your globe has made a 15 degree turn over the course of only ONE hour.
Do you understand the position of North America after ONE hour ?
It has moved 15 degrees of a full 360 degrees rotation.
The moon only has completed 0.55 degrees of it's orbit.


Your spinning globe becomes your enemy, because even a 15 degree rotation is way to much.....
Now either mock me with your 2+2=5 comments, or show me why my thoughts are wrong.
As I've pointed out, it can be somewhat counter-intuitive to understand how comparing the angular velocities and surface velocities of 2 objects can provide very different results.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Arealhumanbeing on July 28, 2017, 10:41:00 AM
This is so funny.

These "physics experts" are throwing around angular velocity this surface velocity that and orbital velocity errors along with "your degrees and radians are mixed up."

What bologna!


These "experts" cant even point out the error in dutchys garden model.

Closest theyve come is this

Nope, our spinning globe does not becomes my enemy!

So, no problem at all - it happens just as NASA and all the references say.

Wow! Sounds like DENIAL to me. Not a qualified "physics expert"

They also continually badger people for not knowing the difference between angular and surface velocity, and instead of kindly explaining the differences, they simply call people "simpletons and flattards"

Here are some excerpts from the internet, explaining a bit of physics definitions.


Angular Velocity

Quote
In physics, the angular velocity of a body is the rate of change of its angular displacement with respect to time, and in three-dimensional space is a pseudovector quantity that specifies the rotational speed of an object and the orientation of the rotating.

A number of quantities in physics behave as pseudovectors rather than polar vectors, including magnetic field and angular velocity.

In physics and mathematics, a pseudovector (or axial vector) is a quantity that transforms like a vector under a proper rotation, but in three dimensions gains an additional sign flip under an improper rotation such as a reflection. Geometrically it is the opposite, of equal magnitude but in the opposite direction, of its mirror image.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angular_velocity

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudovector

Look up angular velocity

That's grammar school stuff, really...



Wow! Sentinel your grammer school must have been really advanced.

Why dont you solve the N-Body problem for us all?

Y'know the one that calculates the movement of 3 celestial bodies!

Because its still unsolved, and youde do mankind a big favor in being able to calculate lightspeed without zooming into a planet.

Oh, if only space travel wasnt just a FAIRYTALE FROM THE MAGIC KINGDOM OF LIES AND DECEIPT.

Whats a space ship like anyway?

Heres a quote from my very favorite, clinically insane, hired by NASA anyway astronaut, Pete Conrad after flying his first "space" mission.

Quote
"It was like eight days in a garbage can." Conrad [The astronaut] remembers.

http://articles.latimes.com/1996-02-11/news/ls-35175_1_lunar-surface/2

Yes, space ships, akin to garbage cans...

This is the same guy who when asked for a stool sample, shat in a box and gave it to the doctor with a red ribbon on top.

I KID YOU NOT.

So keep flinging your poo, "physics experts" of this website. Youre obviously trying to get NASAs attention arent you, being as nutty and rude as you are.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: markjo on July 28, 2017, 11:33:44 AM
They also continually badger people for not knowing the difference between angular and surface velocity, and instead of kindly explaining the differences, they simply call people "simpletons and flattards"

Simply put, angular velocity is how many degrees (or radians, if you prefer) a reference point rotates per unit time.  Surface (or linear) velocity is the distance a reference point point moves per unit time while rotating.

Do we really need to go through the math comparing the relative rotational speeds and distances traveled between the earth and moon yet again?
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: deadsirius on July 28, 2017, 12:57:42 PM
I will confess that this question tripped me up for a while.  It actually is pretty counterintuitive, and the explanatory videos are generally lacking.

It did all finally click for me (maybe it shouldn't have taken so long...) but even still I struggle with how to explain it clearly.  I can envision the visual aid that would make this make sense, perhaps I will try to draw it out later.

The critical thing to remember is that it's not a simple matter of the moon's shadow falling directly beneath it.  Relative to the observer, the shadow will be coming in at some angle, and this angle has to do with the position of the sun due to the earth's rotation (i.e. the time of day) as well as the position of the moon (which most seem to agree is moving Eastward).

It doesn't matter that the moon rises East and sets West, because the sun is ALSO setting in the West and therefore when they line up (1:30 pm for me), the shadow formed is "pointing" to me from somewhat to the West.  Neither will actually be over my head at that time.

I may try to work on a visual aid--I can see it in my head but none of the videos I've seen so far really show what I'm seeing.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Sentinel on July 28, 2017, 01:57:55 PM
Look up angular velocity

That's grammar school stuff, really...



Wow! Sentinel your grammer school must have been really advanced.

Why dont you solve the N-Body problem for us all?

Y'know the one that calculates the movement of 3 celestial bodies!

Because its still unsolved, and youde do mankind a big favor in being able to calculate lightspeed without zooming into a planet.


I'm well aware of the N-body problem, but why do come up with that for the task at hand as it doesn't bear any significance for an solar eclipse when the three bodies involved are well within a defined, measured and predictable set of movement relative to each other?
Do you even know what that problem is about for real?  ???
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Zammo on July 28, 2017, 02:24:17 PM
It's already been answered multiple times by myself and others on this thread. It's also clearly shown in the video linked in my first reply to this thread (watch the video for a real scale answer to your question if you don't like the carousel analogy).  That you and others like RIF cannot "phantom" it is of no consequence. The reality remains, the model makes sense to those that can visualise the scale and the difference between angular velocity/orbital speed, and my simple analogy of the carousel holds. Again, you may as well jump up and down challenging me to disprove 2+2=5. If you don't believe 2+2=4, nothing I can say will change your mind.
Ah, as expected !!
Your globe has made a 15 degree turn over the course of only ONE hour.
Do you understand the position of North America after ONE hour ?
It has moved 15 degrees of a full 360 degrees rotation.
The moon only has completed 0.55 degrees of it's orbit.


Your spinning globe becomes your enemy, because even a 15 degree rotation is way to much.....
Now either mock me with your 2+2=5 cyomments, or show me why my thoughts are wrong.

Ah, as expected. You still don't get it. But that's ok. The moon rises in the East and sets in the West, and its shadow during a solar eclipse moves West to East as expected. Again, your inability to comprehend this does not change the fact, nor alter that it makes complete sense to those that can appreciate the difference between angular velocity and orbital/rotational linear velocities.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: dutchy on July 28, 2017, 03:42:26 PM
Thanks for the replies, but i am still waiting for my answer.
Now that could be totally on me and my invalid ways of expressing me.
From the start of the topic i can understand the differences be angular velocity and linear velocity, that was and is not the point.
I want to know how i can test it in a scale model as i have shown in a previous post.
What i don't understand is how this could work in your model.

the moon's umbra moves from west to east.
After 6 hours (moon's umbra generous duration due to it's slightly oval path  ?)
6 x 0.55° = 3.3° moon's completed part of it's orbit
6 x 15° = 90° earth's completed part of it's orbit

So when i start in my model globe-moon-sun  set up.....(earth 30cm diameter , moon 9,5m away, and 60m orbit around the miniature globe, sun 3.5km away)
The moon's umbra is pointed towards the pacific.
After 6 hours the earth has made a 90° turn.
The moon has moved 3.3° from it's orbit.

In my garden set up i would have to turn the globe and the pacific ocean is now placed 90° counterclockwise. (23,5 cm)
The moon would have been 55 cm further on it's 60m orbit (2,33 times faster)

what do i have to do to make sure the umbra is ahead of earth's spin after 6 hours (or insert the corrected lenght of the duration of the eclips when needed)
Because when i see the scale model and the sun 3.5 km away and the movent at the beginning and the end of the eclips in my garden model there is no way at all that the moon's umbra can travel west to east.
Please an answer in relation to my garden model  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And please not a ''highschool related answer please'' ::) ::) ::)

How does my garden set up look like at the beginning of the eclipse
How does my set up look like after 6 hours.

If you fail to explain my scale model, don't bother to reply in scientific jargon.
I am specialised in music and related things and can explain everything to a non insider without using specific jargon that makes me look smarter than i am.
Explaining so that everyone understands it is the real task.

So please explain my scale set up, at the beginning and the end of the eclipse !!
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: rabinoz on July 28, 2017, 05:51:54 PM
Thanks for the replies, but i am still waiting for my answer.
Now that could be totally on me and my invalid ways of expressing me.
From the start of the topic i can understand the differences be angular velocity and linear velocity, that was and is not the point.
I want to know how i can test it in a scale model as i have shown in a previous post.
What i don't understand is how this could work in your model.

the moon's umbra moves from west to east.
After 6 hours (moon's umbra generous duration due to it's slightly oval path  ?)
6 x 0.55° = 3.3° moon's completed part of it's orbit
6 x 15° = 90° earth's completed part of it's orbit
I could not care less about your model - stick to real life.

Relative to the sun the moon takes roughly to 29 days to orbit the earth, so, ignoring the ellipticity, the moon orbits 360/(24 x 29) = 0.517 degrees per hour.

The average distance to the moon is 385,000 km, so the moon's orbital velocital is (385,000 x 0.517 x π)/180 = 3476 km/hr.

The sun is so much further from the earth that the moon's shadow will move at almost the same velocity and in the same direction as the moon.

Now at latitude 40°N (near enough to the eclipse's path) the surface velocity of the earth is close enough to (40000 x cos(40°))/24 = 1277 km/hr.

So the moon's shadow, moving across the earth at 3476 km/hr greatly outpaces the surface velocity of the earth of 1277 km/hr.

And this is what all the references, except that Flat Earth video, have been saying.

PS The moon velocity is not exactly the value calculated because the orbital eccentricity has been ignored.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Alpha2Omega on July 28, 2017, 06:48:51 PM
Thanks for the replies, but i am still waiting for my answer.
Now that could be totally on me and my invalid ways of expressing me.
From the start of the topic i can understand the differences be angular velocity and linear velocity, that was and is not the point.
I want to know how i can test it in a scale model as i have shown in a previous post.
What i don't understand is how this could work in your model.

the moon's umbra moves from west to east.
After 6 hours (moon's umbra generous duration due to it's slightly oval path  ?)
6 x 0.55° = 3.3° moon's completed part of it's orbit
6 x 15° = 90° earth's completed part of it's orbit

So when i start in my model globe-moon-sun  set up.....(earth 30cm diameter , moon 9,5m away, and 60m orbit around the miniature globe, sun 3.5km away)
The moon's umbra is pointed towards the pacific.
After 6 hours the earth has made a 90° turn.
The moon has moved 3.3° from it's orbit.

In my garden set up i would have to turn the globe and the pacific ocean is now placed 90° counterclockwise. (23,5 cm)
The moon would have been 55 cm further on it's 60m orbit (2,33 times faster)

what do i have to do to make sure the umbra is ahead of earth's spin after 6 hours (or insert the corrected lenght of the duration of the eclips when needed)

6 hours is reasonably close to the duration of the eclipse. First penumbral contact is 15:46:51 UT and last is 21:04:23 UT, so it's 5h 17m 32s long.
 
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Because when i see the scale model and the sun 3.5 km away and the movent at the beginning and the end of the eclipse in my garden model there is no way at all that the moon's umbra can travel west to east.
Please an answer in relation to my garden model  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And please not a ''highschool related answer please'' ::) ::) ::)

How does my garden set up look like at the beginning of the eclipse

We'll center a 6-hour simulation near mid-eclipse, which is 18:25:32 UT (call it 18:30 UT).

If we look at a globe from south of it, then west on the globe corresponds to west in cardinal direction in the real world, so, in an effort to reduce confusion, let's presume your model is set up like this, based on your numbers, which look reasonable:

Sun is 3.5 km due south of a 30-cm diameter earth globe. Moon starts 9.5m south of the center of the globe and 27.5 cm west of the line between the centers of the globe and sun. Presuming the globe has the 23.5° axis tilt, and north up, orient the axis of he globe so that it is leaning mostly west and a some south. To be completely accurate, the model moon should also be a few cm north of the globe-sun line, but let's not worry about that.

Start time is 15:30 UT. If we presume the sun is on the meridian at 0° longitude at exactly 12:00 UT (close enough), then 3.5 hours later, at the start of our simulation, the sun is on the meridian at 52.5° W longitude (15°/hr * 3.5 hr = 52.5°). So rotate the globe so that French Guyana's meridian (on the north coast of South America) is directly toward the model sun, due south.

Since the sun is so far away, the axis of the moon's shadow will be, for all practical purposes, parallel to the north-south line through the centers of the globe and model sun. As such, the center of the shadow falls 27.5 cm west of the center of our 30-cm-diameter globe, passing nearest the Pacific Ocean.

Good so far?

Three hours later, at the time of greatest eclipse, move the moon 27.5 cm east so that it's due south of the earth and directly in line with the sun. Also rotate the globe 45° eastward so that 97.5° W longitude (off the west coast of westernmost Guatemala) is directly in line with the sun. In the time the earth was rotating 45° from west to east (French  Guyana, close to the equator, has rotated about 12 cm - half of the 23.5 cm you gave above for 6 hours - from west to east), the center of the shadow has moved 27.5 cm from west to east. Clearly, the shadow is moving to the east faster than locations on the surface of the earth are rotating in that direction, so the shadow moves across the surface from west to east.

Still good?

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How does my set up look like after 6 hours.

At 21:30 UT, the moon has moved another 27.5 cm toward the east and the globe has rotated another 45° toward the east, so that longitude 142.5° W (somewhere out in the eastern Pacific) is facing the sun, and the moon's shadow is 27.5 cm east of the globe, passing nearest the central Atlantic Ocean, after having moved from west to east across the face of the globe.

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Explaining so that everyone understands it is the real task.

So please explain my scale set up, at the beginning and the end of the eclipse !!

You're right that explaining sometimes counterintuitive stuff like this in an understandable way can be a challenge.

In recap, at your model's scale, the center of the shadow started west of the earth, traveled 55 cm from west to east across the globe, and ended east of the earth in the simulated 6 hours. In that time, the earth rotated 23.5 cm, also from west to east. Since the shadow was moving eastward at about twice the speed as points on the surface of the globe, the shadow moved across the face of the globe from west to east.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: lanchop on July 28, 2017, 07:18:10 PM
I'd like to try and break this down to simple terms the way I understand it. Hopefully it's not too high school.

Let's discuss what we will see from our perspective. We will see the moon rise in the east, like normal. Then the sun will rise in the east, also normal. Then, fairly early in the afternoon, the sun will "overtake" the moon. Since the moon will be directly between some of us and the sun, we get to witness an eclipse. Because of the relative size and distances of the sun and moon, the moon will "block out" the sun.  The sun will continue on, and set in the west, then the moon will follow.

The shadow moving from west to east seems to be the point of discussion, but is explained very easily.

On the RE model, this makes perfect sense. From our perspective, we won't be moving. The sun and moon will. Since the moon revolves in the same direction the earth rotates, it will appear to be traveling slower. They will both be traveling east to west, but with the sun passing (from east to west) behind the moon, the shadow will travel from west to east. It's that simple.  All of the math has already been explained, but even without the math, we can see this happen.

On the FE, the sun and moon revolve around the North Pole. The moon takes roughly an hour longer to make a complete circle, so it is traveling slower.  We won't be moving. The sun and moon will. They will both be traveling east to west, but with the sun passing (from east to west) behind the moon, the shadow will travel from west to east.

Same results from our perspective. This event doesn't prove either model. 

As further thought, it will be interesting to see some photographs from the Southern Hemisphere. I suspect the the angle of perspective will give credence to both theories as well. My guess is; the event will look like two similar sized objects passing close together, not too far from the earth's flat surface. I'm also sure that math will again be able to "prove" that they are vastly different sized objects, with vast distances between them and us.

Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: markjo on July 28, 2017, 09:26:48 PM
Thanks for the replies, but i am still waiting for my answer.
Now that could be totally on me and my invalid ways of expressing me.
From the start of the topic i can understand the differences be angular velocity and linear velocity, that was and is not the point.
I want to know how i can test it in a scale model as i have shown in a previous post.
Well, you could try building your scale model and see what happens when you test it.

What i don't understand is how this could work in your model.

the moon's umbra moves from west to east.
After 6 hours (moon's umbra generous duration due to it's slightly oval path  ?)
6 x 0.55° = 3.3° moon's completed part of it's orbit
6 x 15° = 90° earth's completed part of it's orbit

In my garden set up i would have to turn the globe and the pacific ocean is now placed 90° counterclockwise. (23,5 cm)
The moon would have been 55 cm further on it's 60m orbit (2,33 times faster)
By Jove, I think that you might be getting it.

what do i have to do to make sure the umbra is ahead of earth's spin after 6 hours (or insert the corrected lenght of the duration of the eclips when needed)
Because when i see the scale model and the sun 3.5 km away and the movent at the beginning and the end of the eclips in my garden model there is no way at all that the moon's umbra can travel west to east.
Please an answer in relation to my garden model  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And please not a ''highschool related answer please'' ::) ::) ::)

How does my garden set up look like at the beginning of the eclipse
How does my set up look like after 6 hours.
Draw a line from your earth to your sun.

At the moment of eclipse totality, the earth, moon and sun should all be on that same line and the umbra of the moon's shadow should be centered on the earth.

Three hours before that alignment, the moon should be about 1.65 degrees (27.5 cm) west of that center line moving east.  Since the sun is very far away and 1.65 degrees is a fairly small angle, the moon's umbra can considered to be pretty much parallel to that center line for the next 6 hours.

I hope that you can figure out the rest from there.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Pezevenk on July 29, 2017, 07:02:31 AM
I figured it out. Wasn't very hard but I need a shape to explain it. When I get back home hopefully I'm gonna make one.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: rabinoz on July 30, 2017, 01:05:37 AM


How will this Eclipse be possible on your Heliocentric model?

The producer in this video gives a detailed description of how and why the upcoming solar Eclipse is impossibe on the Heliocentric Globe Model.

Let's try again.
You ask "How will this Eclipse be possible on your Heliocentric model?"
Maybe you can only understand pictures, so try this.

Flat Earth: Eclipse Special, Sly Sparkane
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Zammo on July 30, 2017, 02:27:46 AM


How will this Eclipse be possible on your Heliocentric model?

The producer in this video gives a detailed description of how and why the upcoming solar Eclipse is impossibe on the Heliocentric Globe Model.

Let's try again.
You ask "How will this Eclipse be possible on your Heliocentric model?"
Maybe you can only understand pictures, so try this.

Flat Earth: Eclipse Special, Sly Sparkane

Gotta love that video. Clear and concise. Money shot for West to East shadow starting from 4:40. Chile sees eclipse twice on flat earth model. 😂😂😂
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Sentinel on July 30, 2017, 02:37:30 AM
If they don't get it now one must assume they are intentionally dishonest and lying.
Fingers crossed though at least one of them comes to reason and admit she/he was wrong. Be brave.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Sentinel on July 30, 2017, 05:35:55 AM
Look up angular velocity

That's grammar school stuff, really...



Wow! Sentinel your grammer school must have been really advanced.

Why dont you solve the N-Body problem for us all?

Y'know the one that calculates the movement of 3 celestial bodies!

Because its still unsolved, and youde do mankind a big favor in being able to calculate lightspeed without zooming into a planet.


I'm well aware of the N-body problem, but why do come up with that for the task at hand as it doesn't bear any significance for an solar eclipse when the three bodies involved are well within a defined, measured and predictable set of movement relative to each other?
Do you even know what that problem is about for real?  ???

Still no answer from Arealhumanmoron. Interesting.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: dutchy on July 31, 2017, 12:14:20 PM
Thanks to those taking the time to explain the eclips from a heliocentric perspective.
Am i convinced ? Not really, but i understand now that the eclips ''works'' in the current heliocentric model, althaugh it has still many questions that i am getting into. The excessive 6 hours timespan instead of four, the shape and size of the shadow etc.

But since i did not consider eclipses important, i really did not look into the phenomena before this topic started.

Again thanks for putting in time and effort to explain it to me !!!!
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: markjo on July 31, 2017, 12:45:56 PM
Thanks to those taking the time to explain the eclips from a heliocentric perspective.
Am i convinced ? Not really, but i understand now that the eclips ''works'' in the current heliocentric model, althaugh it has still many questions that i am getting into. The excessive 6 hours timespan instead of four, the shape and size of the shadow etc.

But since i did not consider eclipses important, i really did not look into the phenomena before this topic started.

Again thanks for putting in time and effort to explain it to me !!!!
While you're pondering, perhaps you should look into how FET would explain a solar eclipse with as much detail as you've been given about RET solar eclipses.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: pesadilla143 on July 31, 2017, 12:57:17 PM


How will this Eclipse be possible on your Heliocentric model ?

The producer in this video gives a detailed description of how and why the upcoming solar Eclipse is impossibe on the Heliocentric Globe Model.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

That's right... you believe something by some unknown person whose credibility is non-existent.  You do that.

Tell me, who is the real sheep?
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Sentinel on July 31, 2017, 12:58:56 PM
Thanks to those taking the time to explain the eclips from a heliocentric perspective.
Am i convinced ? Not really, but i understand now that the eclips ''works'' in the current heliocentric model, althaugh it has still many questions that i am getting into. The excessive 6 hours timespan instead of four, the shape and size of the shadow etc.

But since i did not consider eclipses important, i really did not look into the phenomena before this topic started.

Again thanks for putting in time and effort to explain it to me !!!!

So you obviously looked up angular velocity on the interwebs as suggested by me?
I'm so proud of you, keep it up.  :)
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Zammo on July 31, 2017, 06:30:24 PM
Thanks to those taking the time to explain the eclips from a heliocentric perspective.
Am i convinced ? Not really, but i understand now that the eclips ''works'' in the current heliocentric model, althaugh it has still many questions that i am getting into. The excessive 6 hours timespan instead of four, the shape and size of the shadow etc.

But since i did not consider eclipses important, i really did not look into the phenomena before this topic started.

Again thanks for putting in time and effort to explain it to me !!!!

Good on you Dutchy. It was a slog, but we got there. Lots of things "work" in the current heliocentric model. Like, all of them.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Alpha2Omega on July 31, 2017, 07:06:04 PM
Thanks to those taking the time to explain the eclips from a heliocentric perspective.
Am i convinced ? Not really, but i understand now that the eclips ''works'' in the current heliocentric model, althaugh it has still many questions that i am getting into. The excessive 6 hours timespan instead of four, the shape and size of the shadow etc.

The time from first to last penumbral contact is 5 hours 18 minutes (beginning and end of the partial phase from anywhere on the surface of the earth). The time from first to last umbral contact is 3 hours  14 minutes (beginning and end of totality from anywhere on the surface).

Times from this summary: <large GIF image> (https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEplot/SEplot2001/SE2017Aug21T.GIF). [Linking instead of embedding because it takes a lot of space on the page.]

Six hours was a convenient, while not unreasonable, time span to consider the model. Where did four hours come from?

Quote
But since i did not consider eclipses important, i really did not look into the phenomena before this topic started.

Again thanks for putting in time and effort to explain it to me !!!!

I learned a lot in the process, so thanks for asking!
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: 29silhouette on July 31, 2017, 07:24:57 PM
Even Jarenism gets it.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: rabinoz on July 31, 2017, 09:56:50 PM
Thanks to those taking the time to explain the eclips from a heliocentric perspective.
Am i convinced ? Not really, but i understand now that the eclips ''works'' in the current heliocentric model, althaugh it has still many questions that i am getting into. The excessive 6 hours timespan instead of four, the shape and size of the shadow etc.

But since i did not consider eclipses important, i really did not look into the phenomena before this topic started.

Again thanks for putting in time and effort to explain it to me !!!!


The Eclipse of 21.08.17 is expected to have a shadow width 68 miles as in this quote.
Quote
But even when the moon is at the closest point to Earth in its elliptical orbit, the umbra is but a dark "dot" measuring no more than 170 miles (274 km) across. And many times, the shadow width is considerably smaller than that. During the Aug. 21 total solar eclipse, for example, the shadow will average only about 68 miles (109 km) wide.

From: How Long Will the 2017 Solar Eclipse Last? (https://www.space.com/36388-total-solar-eclipse-2017-duration.html)

Now, I wonder if you could explain how a moon about 32 miles in diameter could cast a 68 mile diameter shadow from a 32 mile diameter sun.
From what I can see the geometry would be something like the diagram on the right.
It would seem to that there is no possibly way for the umbra for exceed the the size of the moon.

And it's not just the 68 mile width of shadow for this eclipse, but eclipses can have the umbra up to 170 miles (274 km) across.
          (https://www.dropbox.com/s/rgg7akwx7nncrsa/Flat%20Earth%20Sun%20Moon%20Solar%20Eclipse.png?dl=1)

So, please put as much thought into the weaknesses in your flat earth model as you put into trying to refute the Globe.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: markjo on August 01, 2017, 06:11:09 AM
Thanks to those taking the time to explain the eclips from a heliocentric perspective.
Am i convinced ? Not really, but i understand now that the eclips ''works'' in the current heliocentric model, althaugh it has still many questions that i am getting into. The excessive 6 hours timespan instead of four, the shape and size of the shadow etc.

But since i did not consider eclipses important, i really did not look into the phenomena before this topic started.

Again thanks for putting in time and effort to explain it to me !!!!


The Eclipse of 21.08.17 is expected to have a shadow width 68 miles as in this quote.
Quote
But even when the moon is at the closest point to Earth in its elliptical orbit, the umbra is but a dark "dot" measuring no more than 170 miles (274 km) across. And many times, the shadow width is considerably smaller than that. During the Aug. 21 total solar eclipse, for example, the shadow will average only about 68 miles (109 km) wide.

From: How Long Will the 2017 Solar Eclipse Last? (https://www.space.com/36388-total-solar-eclipse-2017-duration.html)

Now, I wonder if you could explain how a moon about 32 miles in diameter could cast a 68 mile diameter shadow from a 32 mile diameter sun.
From what I can see the geometry would be something like the diagram on the right.
It would seem to that there is no possibly way for the umbra for exceed the the size of the moon.

And it's not just the 68 mile width of shadow for this eclipse, but eclipses can have the umbra up to 170 miles (274 km) across.
          (https://www.dropbox.com/s/rgg7akwx7nncrsa/Flat%20Earth%20Sun%20Moon%20Solar%20Eclipse.png?dl=1)

So, please put as much thought into the weaknesses in your flat earth model as you put into trying to refute the Globe.
Another question is how an observer within the umbra could witness the sun's corona when the sun and moon are the same size and relatively close together?  It looks like annular eclipses are pretty much out of the question.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Sentinel on August 01, 2017, 08:22:06 AM
Even Jarenism gets it.


He seems to be one of the brighter bulbs out there, no doubt.
The abuse he receives in the comments by the hardliners though...  :P
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Dog on August 01, 2017, 11:18:52 AM
"Seek and ye shall find" flattards.

https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/4579

"Attempting to use my brain is futile" proves the earth is a globe again.
You mean this false representation of reality from NASA ?
In this animation the outer carriage (moon) overtakes the inner circle earth  ( see the way the shadow travels from east to west )
Even when the earth rotated 27 times slower and the relative position between the moon and earth would be in perfect sync like a caroussel the casted shadow would have been freezed in the same spot without moving !!!

In your heliocentric model the centre earth overtakes the moon by a huge margin of 27 times.
So what magical shadow is able to show the opposite, as if the moon overtakes the centre ?

Only on FES will you find someone try to explain that orbital and rotational mechanics in a 3-body problem is akin to a rigid carousel. Beautiful.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 04, 2017, 11:27:20 AM
I see you Heliocentrics are still living the delusion.

Can you please say hello to Santa and the Toothfairy for me  whilst your residing in your dream world.

I'm going to post part 2 to the original video hope you enjoy.

This video explains in great detail why the upcoming Solar Eclipse on 21.08.17  is impossible on your Heliocentric model.




Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False. .
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Dog on August 04, 2017, 11:55:30 AM
I see you Heliocentrics are still living the delusion.

Can you please say hello to Santa and the Toothfairy for me  whilst your residing in your dream world.

I'm going to post part 2 to the original video hope you enjoy.

This video explains in great detail why the upcoming Solar Eclipse on 21.08.17  is impossible on your Heliocentric model.




Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False. .

I was expecting something about the the way that the Earth rotates, the moon orbits, and the suns position, still making it hard to understand how the shadow moves west to east. Which is fair. The movement of a shadow in a 3-body problem where everything is rotating and orbiting makes things hard to follow.

Instead this guy rambles about the size and perspective of things in an animation that is not shown to scale.
This is too good to be true. FEF is it's own worst enemy.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Sentinel on August 04, 2017, 12:38:22 PM
I see you Heliocentrics are still living the delusion.

Can you please say hello to Santa and the Toothfairy for me  whilst your residing in your dream world.

I'm going to post part 2 to the original video hope you enjoy.

This video explains in great detail why the upcoming Solar Eclipse on 21.08.17  is impossible on your Heliocentric model.




Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False. .

So you have not been that active around here for over a week, and all that you could come up with now is that crap video debunking absolutely nothing?

Credibility.is.Futile at it again...  :-\
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 04, 2017, 12:44:19 PM
I see you Heliocentrics are still living the delusion.

Can you please say hello to Santa and the Toothfairy for me  whilst your residing in your dream world.

I'm going to post part 2 to the original video hope you enjoy.

This video explains in great detail why the upcoming Solar Eclipse on 21.08.17  is impossible on your Heliocentric model.




Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False. .

So you have not been that active around here for over a week, and all that you could come up with now is that crap video debunking absolutely nothing?

Credibility.is.Futile at it again...  :-\

Any " normal " person can see that both the videos debunk your Heliocentric fairytale.

Enjoy your delusion  :)

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: markjo on August 04, 2017, 04:27:24 PM
I see you Heliocentrics are still living the delusion.

Can you please say hello to Santa and the Toothfairy for me  whilst your residing in your dream world.

I'm going to post part 2 to the original video hope you enjoy.

This video explains in great detail why the upcoming Solar Eclipse on 21.08.17  is impossible on your Heliocentric model.




Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False. .
Does that video show the sun-earth-moon system to proper scale?
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: rabinoz on August 04, 2017, 10:03:14 PM

I'm going to post part 2 to the original video hope you enjoy.

This video explains in great detail why the upcoming Solar Eclipse on 21.08.17  is impossible on your Heliocentric model.



Yes, watching that video I do get a "sick feeling in the stomach", but simply because I find it so hard,  [Mr Ignorance.is.Futile,
to imagine how anyone can be so naive as to believe the rubbish in that video!

But he does ask for a scale drawing of the earth,  moon sun system during a solar eclipse. Well here is one of the earth-moon part.
If the sun were included it would be somewhere way down the street to your right!
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/0tphbu4201n7mxo/20160730%20-%20Solar%20Eclipse%20Scale%20Globe%20Earth%20and%20Moon.png?dl=1)

The earth, moon and shadow angles are drawn very close to scale.

Now [Mr Ignorance.is.Futile, please explain how your 50 km diameter sun and moon can caste a shadow of 114 km wide.
Then in the eclipse of 2003 Nov 23, the umbra width was 495.5 km wide. How do you explain that?

Don't bother presenting more videos on your Religious Dogma until you have a good answer for that.

I noticed that you claimed that
Any " normal " person can see that both the videos debunk your Heliocentric fairytale.

Please find me some "normal peoplel" that are convinced by those videos.

PS I do not class you as a normal person, and please find some unbiased people.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: ForumPhoenix on August 04, 2017, 10:10:50 PM
Please find me some "normal peoplel" that are convinced by those videos.

U DUN FKD UP NORMAL PEOPLEL HE COMIN 4 U
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Zammo on August 04, 2017, 10:40:25 PM
I see you Heliocentrics are still living the delusion.

Can you please say hello to Santa and the Toothfairy for me  whilst your residing in your dream world.

I'm going to post part 2 to the original video hope you enjoy.

This video explains in great detail why the upcoming Solar Eclipse on 21.08.17  is impossible on your Heliocentric model.




Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False. .

So you have not been that active around here for over a week, and all that you could come up with now is that crap video debunking absolutely nothing?

Credibility.is.Futile at it again...  :-\

Any " normal " person can see that both the videos debunk your Heliocentric fairytale.

Enjoy your delusion  :)

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Neither video debunks a single thing. The clear explanations given by multiple people in this thread of the predictable West to East direction of the moon's shadow have even convinced Dutchy! I wouldn't expect "Using my Brain is Futile" to understand, though. It does require some effort. Enjoy your ignorance :)
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: rabinoz on August 05, 2017, 12:23:17 AM
Neither video debunks a single thing. The clear explanations given by multiple people in this thread of the predictable West to East direction of the moon's shadow have even convinced Dutchy! I wouldn't expect "Using my Brain is Futile" to understand, though. It does require some effort. Enjoy your ignorance :)
If Jeranism is convinced that "The Globe Model Works. Solar Eclipse Has Been Modeled" then what more can I say?

The Globe Model Works. Solar Eclipse Has Been Modeled - Video Soon, jeranism

And the long, long video where he "models" it jeranism LIVE #14 - Solar Eclipse Modeled and More. jeranism (http://)
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 05, 2017, 03:12:15 AM
Neither video debunks a single thing. The clear explanations given by multiple people in this thread of the predictable West to East direction of the moon's shadow have even convinced Dutchy! I wouldn't expect "Using my Brain is Futile" to understand, though. It does require some effort. Enjoy your ignorance :)
If Jeranism is convinced that "The Globe Model Works. Solar Eclipse Has Been Modeled" then what more can I say?

The Globe Model Works. Solar Eclipse Has Been Modeled - Video Soon, jeranism

And the long, long video where he "models" it jeranism LIVE #14 - Solar Eclipse Modeled and More. jeranism (http://)

You are fooling no one with your heliocentric nonsense.

It is impossible for the path of the solar eclipse to move in completely the opposite direction to the moon.

The moon rises in the East and sets in th west.

The Solar Eclipse starts in the west and finishes if the East.

The Earth's angular velocity which Is one rotation every 24 hrs is 27 times faster than the Moon's velocity.

This is why the moon allegedly rises in the east and sets in the west.

If the Moon's velocity was greater than the angular velocity of the earth the Moon would rise in the West and set in the East it would also have to orbit the earth more than once every 24 hours to achieve this.

Here is a description of a solar eclipse on your model.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse

It clearly says the eclipse is caused when the moon passes in front of the sun.

The moon takes 27 days to orbit the earth.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon

On your model the Sun is stationary regarding it's position to the earth and the moon

.http://kidseclipse.com/sun-earth-moon-move/

I choose this link so you Stupid and gullable Heliocentric's can try to understand how and why the upcoming Solar Eclipse is impossible on your model.

It is impossible for an objects shadow to move in the opposite direction to the said object when the light source is stationary.

The only way this would be possible on your model would be if the Sun was moving millions of miles in relation to the earth and did not maintain it's alleged position in the centre of the solar system.

https://www.quora.com/Is-the-sun-the-center-of-the-solar-system-Why



So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Solar Eclipse to move across the Earth west to East which is the opposite direction to the moon on your Heliocentric model.

Your Heliocentric model does not match reality as such your Heliocentric model is false.

Part one



Part two





Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: rabinoz on August 05, 2017, 04:03:51 AM
Neither video debunks a single thing. The clear explanations given by multiple people in this thread of the predictable West to East direction of the moon's shadow have even convinced Dutchy! I wouldn't expect "Using my Brain is Futile" to understand, though. It does require some effort. Enjoy your ignorance :)
If Jeranism is convinced that "The Globe Model Works. Solar Eclipse Has Been Modeled" then what more can I say?

The Globe Model Works. Solar Eclipse Has Been Modeled - Video Soon, jeranism

And the long, long video where he "models" it jeranism LIVE #14 - Solar Eclipse Modeled and More. jeranism (http://)
You are fooling no one with your heliocentric nonsense.
It is impossible for the path of the solar eclipse to move in completely the opposite direction to the moon.
Not impossible at all, the shadow simply moves faster from west to east than the earth moves - simple!

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
The moon rises in the East and sets in th west.
Yes
Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
The Solar Eclipse starts in the west and finishes if the East.
Yes.
It's funny that almost everyone, including the ultimate flat earther, jersnism is convinced that the explanation of the solar eclipse on the Heliocentric Globe is correct - except poor  Ignorance.is.Wonderful.

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
The Earth's angular velocity which Is one rotation every 24 hrs is 27 times faster than the Moon's (angular) velocity.
This is why the moon allegedly rises in the east and sets in the west.
Yes.
Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
If the Moon's (angular) velocity was greater than the angular velocity of the earth the Moon would rise in the West and set in the East it would also have to orbit the earth more than once every 24 hours to achieve this.
Yes,
but it is not angular velocity that matters here but the surface velocity of the earth, about 1380 km/hr and the linear velocity of the moon, about 3,700 km/h.
The moons shadow travels west to east much faster than the surface velocity of the earth - and that is the explanation everyone gives, except for a few totally deluded flat earthers.

End of story.

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
Here is a description of a solar eclipse on your model. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse
I know that quite well, thank you and it fits what we see. I can't help yor inability to understand it.

You have had the correct reason explained numerous times.

Bye bye.


Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 05, 2017, 04:12:31 AM
Neither video debunks a single thing. The clear explanations given by multiple people in this thread of the predictable West to East direction of the moon's shadow have even convinced Dutchy! I wouldn't expect "Using my Brain is Futile" to understand, though. It does require some effort. Enjoy your ignorance :)
If Jeranism is convinced that "The Globe Model Works. Solar Eclipse Has Been Modeled" then what more can I say?

The Globe Model Works. Solar Eclipse Has Been Modeled - Video Soon, jeranism

And the long, long video where he "models" it jeranism LIVE #14 - Solar Eclipse Modeled and More. jeranism (http://)
You are fooling no one with your heliocentric nonsense.
It is impossible for the path of the solar eclipse to move in completely the opposite direction to the moon.
Not impossible at all, the shadow simply moves faster from west to east than the earth moves - simple!

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
The moon rises in the East and sets in th west.
Yes
Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
The Solar Eclipse starts in the west and finishes if the East.
Yes.
It's funny that almost everyone, including the ultimate flat earther, jersnism is convinced that the explanation of the solar eclipse on the Heliocentric Globe is correct - except poor  Ignorance.is.Wonderful.

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
The Earth's angular velocity which Is one rotation every 24 hrs is 27 times faster than the Moon's (angular) velocity.
This is why the moon allegedly rises in the east and sets in the west.
Yes.
Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
If the Moon's (angular) velocity was greater than the angular velocity of the earth the Moon would rise in the West and set in the East it would also have to orbit the earth more than once every 24 hours to achieve this.
Yes,
but it is not angular velocity that matters here but the surface velocity of the earth, about 1380 km/hr and the linear velocity of the moon, about 3,700 km/h.
The moons shadow travels west to east much faster than the surface velocity of the earth - and that is the explanation everyone gives, except for a few totally deluded flat earthers.

End of story.

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
Here is a description of a solar eclipse on your model. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse
I know that quite well, thank you and it fits what we see. I can't help yor inability to understand it.

You have had the correct reason explained numerous times.

Bye bye.

That is nonsense the only thing relevant in regard to our view of the sky is the Earth's angular velocity.

This is what causes the sun and moon to rise and set on your model.

The moon's actually velocity is irrelevant regarding the Solar eclipse as it is so far away.

You have not explained how it is possible for the moon's shadow to move in the opposite direction to the Moon when the light source which is the Sun remains in a relatively stationary position at the centre of the solar system.

You have not explined this because you can't.

The upcoming Solar Eclipse is impossible on your model.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False. .
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Zammo on August 05, 2017, 04:21:35 AM
Neither video debunks a single thing. The clear explanations given by multiple people in this thread of the predictable West to East direction of the moon's shadow have even convinced Dutchy! I wouldn't expect "Using my Brain is Futile" to understand, though. It does require some effort. Enjoy your ignorance :)
If Jeranism is convinced that "The Globe Model Works. Solar Eclipse Has Been Modeled" then what more can I say?

The Globe Model Works. Solar Eclipse Has Been Modeled - Video Soon, jeranism

And the long, long video where he "models" it jeranism LIVE #14 - Solar Eclipse Modeled and More. jeranism (http://)
You are fooling no one with your heliocentric nonsense.
It is impossible for the path of the solar eclipse to move in completely the opposite direction to the moon.
Not impossible at all, the shadow simply moves faster from west to east than the earth moves - simple!

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
The moon rises in the East and sets in th west.
Yes
Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
The Solar Eclipse starts in the west and finishes if the East.
Yes.
It's funny that almost everyone, including the ultimate flat earther, jersnism is convinced that the explanation of the solar eclipse on the Heliocentric Globe is correct - except poor  Ignorance.is.Wonderful.

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
The Earth's angular velocity which Is one rotation every 24 hrs is 27 times faster than the Moon's (angular) velocity.
This is why the moon allegedly rises in the east and sets in the west.
Yes.
Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
If the Moon's (angular) velocity was greater than the angular velocity of the earth the Moon would rise in the West and set in the East it would also have to orbit the earth more than once every 24 hours to achieve this.
Yes,
but it is not angular velocity that matters here but the surface velocity of the earth, about 1380 km/hr and the linear velocity of the moon, about 3,700 km/h.
The moons shadow travels west to east much faster than the surface velocity of the earth - and that is the explanation everyone gives, except for a few totally deluded flat earthers.

End of story.

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
Here is a description of a solar eclipse on your model. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse
I know that quite well, thank you and it fits what we see. I can't help yor inability to understand it.

You have had the correct reason explained numerous times.

Bye bye.

That is nonsense the only thing relevant in regard to our view of the sky is the Earth's angular velocity.

This is what causes the sun and moon to rise and set on your model.

The moon's actually velocity is irrelevant regarding the Solar eclipse as it is so far away.

You have not explained how it is possible for the moon's shadow to move in the opposite direction to the Moon when the light source which is the Sun remains in a relatively stationary position at the centre of the solar system.

You have not explined this because you can't.

The upcoming Solar Eclipse is impossible on your model.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False. .

 ;D ;D ;D

As I said, the perfectly clear explanations have already been made by multiple people in this thread, and even Dutchy eventually came around and admitted he understood why the Moon can rise in the East and set in the West, yet the eclipse shadow move in the opposite direction.

That "Using my brain is futile" cannot understand why the differing linear and angular velocities allow this to occur only highlights his ignorance.  ;D
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: rabinoz on August 05, 2017, 04:50:54 AM
That is nonsense the only thing relevant in regard to our view of the sky is the Earth's angular velocity.
This is what causes the sun and moon to rise and set on your model.
The moon's actually velocity is irrelevant regarding the Solar eclipse as it is so far away.
Still just as incorrect.
Because the sun to moon distance is so much greater than the moon to earth distance, about 394 times, the moon's shadow moves at a most the same velocity as the moon.

So, it is the linear velocity that matters, even though the moon is about 380,000 km away.

It's funny that dutchy and jeranism, both "dyed-in-the-wool" flat earthers can see that this explanation is correct for the globe but poor Ignorance.is.Wonderful still can't see it.

I'm totally convinced that some poor benighted people simply cannot visualise anything in 3-D and so many of these turn into fflat-earthers. .



Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 05, 2017, 05:03:01 AM
That is nonsense the only thing relevant in regard to our view of the sky is the Earth's angular velocity.
This is what causes the sun and moon to rise and set on your model.
The moon's actually velocity is irrelevant regarding the Solar eclipse as it is so far away.
Still just as incorrect.
Because the sun to moon distance is so much greater than the moon to earth distance, about 394 times, the moon's shadow moves at a most the same velocity as the moon.

So, it is the linear velocity that matters, even though the moon is about 380,000 km away.

It's funny that dutchy and jeranism, both "dyed-in-the-wool" flat earthers can see that this explanation is correct for the globe but poor Ignorance.is.Wonderful still can't see it.

I'm totally convinced that some poor benighted people simply cannot visualise anything in 3-D and so many of these turn into fflat-earthers. .

It is not relevant what other individuals  believe.

The 3D animations in the first video clearly show your Heliocentric model.

One of the animations that show the earth spinning the wrong way and the moon speeding round the earth is from your brethren and is an attempt to get your model to work regarding the upcoming Solar Eclipse  so there is no need to visualise anything.

The problem with your model is that it was fabricated 100 s of years ago when the majority of people in western society where uneducated and illiterate we of course didn't have video back then.

You have just said yourself that the Moon's shadow moves at the same velocity as the moon.

The earth's angular velocity is 27 times greater than the moon.

The Earth's alleged angular velocity determines what we see in the sky from our view point on the earth.

It is impossible for the moon's shadow to move west to east which is the opposite direction to the moon"  END OF " .

This is because the light source which is the Sun is stationary in relation to the earth on your model.

The Sun in your Heliocentric model is in the centre of the solar system and every planet including the earth in the solar system orbits around the Sun.

To anyone who has a slight education and a slight understanding of your model they will be able to verify that what you are saying is nonsense.

In the present day those people who look into your model can easily verify that your model is a fairytale.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: markjo on August 05, 2017, 09:16:47 AM
Neither video debunks a single thing. The clear explanations given by multiple people in this thread of the predictable West to East direction of the moon's shadow have even convinced Dutchy! I wouldn't expect "Using my Brain is Futile" to understand, though. It does require some effort. Enjoy your ignorance :)
If Jeranism is convinced that "The Globe Model Works. Solar Eclipse Has Been Modeled" then what more can I say?

The Globe Model Works. Solar Eclipse Has Been Modeled - Video Soon, jeranism

And the long, long video where he "models" it jeranism LIVE #14 - Solar Eclipse Modeled and More. jeranism (http://)

You are fooling no one with your heliocentric nonsense.

It is impossible for the path of the solar eclipse to move in completely the opposite direction to the moon.

The moon rises in the East and sets in th west.

The Solar Eclipse starts in the west and finishes if the East.

The Earth's angular velocity which Is one rotation every 24 hrs is 27 times faster than the Moon's velocity.

This is why the moon allegedly rises in the east and sets in the west.

Yadda, yadda, yadda.
We've already been through this. 

Read the thread from the beginning and watch the Jeranism video.

Eclipses are somewhat counterintuituve, but they work fine once you can wrap your head around the true scale of the sun-earth-moon system.

Then again, getting you to wrap your head around anything is probably too much to ask.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 05, 2017, 10:30:10 AM
Neither video debunks a single thing. The clear explanations given by multiple people in this thread of the predictable West to East direction of the moon's shadow have even convinced Dutchy! I wouldn't expect "Using my Brain is Futile" to understand, though. It does require some effort. Enjoy your ignorance :)
If Jeranism is convinced that "The Globe Model Works. Solar Eclipse Has Been Modeled" then what more can I say?

The Globe Model Works. Solar Eclipse Has Been Modeled - Video Soon, jeranism

And the long, long video where he "models" it jeranism LIVE #14 - Solar Eclipse Modeled and More. jeranism (http://)

You are fooling no one with your heliocentric nonsense.

It is impossible for the path of the solar eclipse to move in completely the opposite direction to the moon.

The moon rises in the East and sets in th west.

The Solar Eclipse starts in the west and finishes if the East.

The Earth's angular velocity which Is one rotation every 24 hrs is 27 times faster than the Moon's velocity.

This is why the moon allegedly rises in the east and sets in the west.

Yadda, yadda, yadda.
We've already been through this. 

Read the thread from the beginning and watch the Jeranism video.

Eclipses are somewhat counterintuituve, but they work fine once you can wrap your head around the true scale of the sun-earth-moon system.

Then again, getting you to wrap your head around anything is probably too much to ask.

This is my thread  ::)

I have watched the jeranism video it is nonsense.

It also claims the Moon's actual velocity is greater than the angular velocity of the earth which is impossible as we all know the moon allegedly takes 27 days to orbit the earth on the Heliocentric model.

The Earth only takes a day to do a full rotation on your Heliocentric model.

As such the Earth's angular velocity is some 27 times greater than the actual velocity of the moon.

As such the Moon rises in the east and sets in the west.

As said by your superior colleugue above the Moon's shadow travels at the same speed as the Moon it is therefore impossible for the Moon's shadow to travel across the Earth from west to east as it will in reality on the 21.08.17.

We all know how shadows work.

We all know that the Sun is stationary in relation to the Earth.

It is impossible for the Moon's shadow to move in the opposite direction to the Moon when the Earth's angular velocity is 27 times greater than the actual velocity of the Moon and the Sun is stationary in relation to the earth.

When the Yanks witness this solar eclipse your Heliocentric religion will be on its last legs.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Sentinel on August 05, 2017, 10:40:13 AM
Yeah. Seems like Evidence.is.Futile is at it again...  :-\
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 05, 2017, 10:58:10 AM
Yeah. Seems like Evidence.is.Futile is at it again...  :-\

At what exactly?

Defending my position when all you Heliocentrics bring to the discussion are insults and nonsense .

There is no real evidence that the Earth is a Globe.

Have you seen the GLOBE?

I have not seen the Globe.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Sentinel on August 05, 2017, 11:09:38 AM
Yeah. Seems like Evidence.is.Futile is at it again...  :-\

At what exactly?

Defending my position when all you Heliocentrics bring to the discussion are insults and nonsense .

There is no real evidence that the Earth is a Globe.

Have you seen the GLOBE?

I have not seen the Globe.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Regarding the solar eclipse that ship has sailed already, and as for other topics you as well don't seem to hold your ground well at all.

Why are you here then, anyway? You should've noticed already that you become more and more a laughing stock for the FET...  :-\
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 05, 2017, 11:24:44 AM
Yeah. Seems like Evidence.is.Futile is at it again...  :-\

At what exactly?

Defending my position when all you Heliocentrics bring to the discussion are insults and nonsense .

There is no real evidence that the Earth is a Globe.

Have you seen the GLOBE?

I have not seen the Globe.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Regarding the solar eclipse that ship has sailed already, and as for other topics you as well don't seem to hold your ground well at all.

Why are you here then, anyway? You should've noticed already that you become more and more a laughing stock for the FET...  :-\

I'm here because this site is called THE FLAT EARTH SOCIETY and  I want to discuss the Flat Earth Model why are you here ?

You seem to have no interest in discussing the Flat Earth.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on August 05, 2017, 11:26:44 AM
Angular velocity does not equal orbital velocity. the moon's orbital velocity>earth's rotational velocity
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 05, 2017, 02:38:56 PM
Angular velocity does not equal orbital velocity. the moon's orbital velocity>earth's rotational velocity

The Earth's alleged angular velocity is 27 times greater than the Moon's orbital velocity.

It is the Earth's alleged angular velocity that determines what we see from our view point here on Earth on the Heliocentric model.

This is why the Moon allegedly rises in the east and sets in the west as the Earth's angular velocity is far greater we overtake the moon everyday.

The Earth's alleged rotational velocity is irrelevant to what we see in the sky.

For example:

The rotational velocity at the north pole is negligible but it is still possible to see all the stars rotate round polaris every night.

And the Sun and the Moon still do a full revolution each day.

On your model this is down to angular velocity.


This is because it is the alleged angular velocity of the Earth that determines what we see in the sky on your model.

On the flat model it is the firmament that rotates around the Earth.
 
Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Sentinel on August 05, 2017, 03:27:07 PM
The Earth's alleged angular velocity is 27 times greater than the Moon's orbital velocity.

Ah, all those apples and oranges...  :-\
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Zammo on August 05, 2017, 05:45:44 PM
Oh, this is truly fascinating. Such a simple concept. Angular velocity = degrees travelled per unit time. Linear velocity = distance travelled per unit time. "Using my brain is futile" cannot seem to separate the two. 😂😂😂
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Alpha2Omega on August 05, 2017, 06:58:12 PM
Oh, this is truly fascinating. Such a simple concept. Angular velocity = degrees travelled per unit time. Linear velocity = distance travelled per unit time. "Using my brain is futile" cannot seem to separate the two. 😂😂😂

Yeah, it's hard to explain things to people who can't keep basics straight.

Angular velocity does not equal orbital velocity. the moon's orbital velocity>earth's rotational velocity

The Earth's alleged angular velocity is 27 times greater than the Moon's orbital velocity.

No, it's not. These quantities are unrelated. They have different dimensions and cannot be compared.

Earth's angular velocity is 6.28 radians / 24 hours (close enough), which is the same as saying 360 degrees / 24 hours.

The moon's orbital velocity is 6.28 X 400,000 km / (27 days X 24 hr/day) (close enough) = 6.28 X 14,815 km / 24 hr.

How do you compare 6.28 X 14,815 km to 6.28 radians, or 6.28 X 14,815 km to 360 degrees? You can't. They're different things. It's like asking which is bigger, 27 radishes or 27 seconds?

Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: MicroBeta on August 05, 2017, 07:08:21 PM
Eclipses are well understood, predictable, and repeatable...all based on a spherical/celestial coordinate system.

No mystery.  IMHO, eclipses prove a spherical earth.

Mike
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: markjo on August 05, 2017, 07:33:26 PM
I'm here because this site is called THE FLAT EARTH SOCIETY and  I want to discuss the Flat Earth Model why are you here ?
If you want to discuss the flat earth model, then why are you bringing up the RE explanation of a solar eclipse?

Why don't you tell us how the FE model explains the upcoming solar eclipse better than RET?
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: hoppy on August 05, 2017, 08:28:58 PM
Thanks for posting vids RIF. How about you REtards explain why the the moon is casting such a small shadow during the eclipse.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: JerkFace on August 05, 2017, 08:36:24 PM
Thanks for posting vids RIF. How about you REtards explain why the the moon is casting such a small shadow during the eclipse.

Courtesy of Rab.

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/0tphbu4201n7mxo/20160730%20-%20Solar%20Eclipse%20Scale%20Globe%20Earth%20and%20Moon.png?dl=1)

Also look up Umbra and Penumbra.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: markjo on August 05, 2017, 08:45:34 PM
Thanks for posting vids RIF. How about you REtards explain why the the moon is casting such a small shadow during the eclipse.
Because geometry.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Zammo on August 05, 2017, 08:48:23 PM
Thanks for posting vids RIF. How about you REtards explain why the the moon is casting such a small shadow during the eclipse.

Easy peasy. Look up Umbra. Now how about you Flattards explain the eclipse on a flat earth. You can choose any version of flat earth you wish. No magic allowed either. Just a nice logical explanation.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Badxtoss on August 05, 2017, 11:44:47 PM
Neither video debunks a single thing. The clear explanations given by multiple people in this thread of the predictable West to East direction of the moon's shadow have even convinced Dutchy! I wouldn't expect "Using my Brain is Futile" to understand, though. It does require some effort. Enjoy your ignorance :)
If Jeranism is convinced that "The Globe Model Works. Solar Eclipse Has Been Modeled" then what more can I say?

The Globe Model Works. Solar Eclipse Has Been Modeled - Video Soon, jeranism

And the long, long video where he "models" it jeranism LIVE #14 - Solar Eclipse Modeled and More. jeranism (http://)

You are fooling no one with your heliocentric nonsense.

It is impossible for the path of the solar eclipse to move in completely the opposite direction to the moon.

The moon rises in the East and sets in th west.

The Solar Eclipse starts in the west and finishes if the East.

The Earth's angular velocity which Is one rotation every 24 hrs is 27 times faster than the Moon's velocity.

This is why the moon allegedly rises in the east and sets in the west.

If the Moon's velocity was greater than the angular velocity of the earth the Moon would rise in the West and set in the East it would also have to orbit the earth more than once every 24 hours to achieve this.

Here is a description of a solar eclipse on your model.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse

It clearly says the eclipse is caused when the moon passes in front of the sun.

The moon takes 27 days to orbit the earth.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon

On your model the Sun is stationary regarding it's position to the earth and the moon

.http://kidseclipse.com/sun-earth-moon-move/

I choose this link so you Stupid and gullable Heliocentric's can try to understand how and why the upcoming Solar Eclipse is impossible on your model.

It is impossible for an objects shadow to move in the opposite direction to the said object when the light source is stationary.

The only way this would be possible on your model would be if the Sun was moving millions of miles in relation to the earth and did not maintain it's alleged position in the centre of the solar system.

https://www.quora.com/Is-the-sun-the-center-of-the-solar-system-Why



So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Solar Eclipse to move across the Earth west to East which is the opposite direction to the moon on your Heliocentric model.

Your Heliocentric model does not match reality as such your Heliocentric model is false.

Part one



Part two





Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Okay.  How does flat earth explain the eclipse?
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Super Shill on August 05, 2017, 11:53:09 PM
Flat earth people cant even explain why its flat to begin with!
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Badxtoss on August 06, 2017, 01:10:08 AM
It should be simple. Tell us how this happens on a flat earth.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 06, 2017, 03:03:43 AM
I'm here because this site is called THE FLAT EARTH SOCIETY and  I want to discuss the Flat Earth Model why are you here ?
If you want to discuss the flat earth model, then why are you bringing up the RE explanation of a solar eclipse?

Why don't you tell us how the FE model explains the upcoming solar eclipse better than RET?

I'm discussing the Heliocentric model to show the readers that it is nonsense and that your Heliocentric model can't explain the upcoming solar Eclipse as the Moon's shadow moves in the opposite direction to the Moon.

It would seem you Heliocentrics rely upon the fact that the readers will not be able to understand the difference between actual velocity and angular velocity.

The fact of the matter is that the readers can obviously understand that the angular velocity of the earth is far greater than the actual velocity of the moon as the moon rises in the east and sets in the west.

If the Moon's actual velocity is greater than the Earth's angular velocity the Moon would rise in the West and set in the East. " END OF."

As such your explanation  on your model for the upcoming solar Eclipse  is nonsense and your Heliocentric fairytale does not match reality as the Moon's shadow moves in the opposite direction to the Moon.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False. .
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 06, 2017, 03:07:33 AM
Thanks for posting vids RIF. How about you REtards explain why the the moon is casting such a small shadow during the eclipse.

The only way they can explain why the shadow is actually smaller than the moon itself even though the moon is over 200000 miles away and the Sun is a 1000 times bigger than the moon and stationary and millions of miles away will be with more nonsense.

Because there model regarding the upcoming Solar Eclipse simply doesn't work.

This is  because it's a fairytale.

Their Strange Heliocentric Religion is False. .
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Crutchwater on August 06, 2017, 04:14:08 AM
Thanks for posting vids RIF. How about you REtards explain why the the moon is casting such a small shadow during the eclipse.


...You mean the shadow that will cover nearly the ENTIRE CONTINENTAL USA?


Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: MicroBeta on August 06, 2017, 04:28:33 AM
Thanks for posting vids RIF. How about you REtards explain why the the moon is casting such a small shadow during the eclipse.
That's easy to explain.  And you can test it in your own backyard.  Take a ball outside, draw a circle of the same diameter as the ball on anything, and try to get that shadow to fit into that circle.

Further, this link has all the data tables and equations that accurately predict eclipses for the next thousand years.  It will predict the path and width of totality.  If you could debunk this you'd have all the ammo you need.

Mike
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 06, 2017, 05:15:31 AM
Thanks for posting vids RIF. How about you REtards explain why the the moon is casting such a small shadow during the eclipse.


...You mean the shadow that will cover nearly the ENTIRE CONTINENTAL USA?

Stop talking nonsense the shadow does not cover the entire USA the shadow (totality) is tiny in comparison  to the Moon it is actually only 70 miles  this is because your model is false.

https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/7/25/15925410/total-solar-eclipse-2017-explained

The Moon's shadow is over 24 times smaller than the Moon on your a Heliocentric model.

https://futurism.com/the-moon/

Lol.......

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 06, 2017, 06:51:12 AM
Thanks for posting vids RIF. How about you REtards explain why the the moon is casting such a small shadow during the eclipse.
That's easy to explain.  And you can test it in your own backyard.  Take a ball outside, draw a circle of the same diameter as the ball on anything, and try to get that shadow to fit into that circle.

Further, this link has all the data tables and equations that accurately predict eclipses for the next thousand years.  It will predict the path and width of totality.  If you could debunk this you'd have all the ammo you need.

Mike

More of your nonsense  ::)

It is impossible for an objects shadow to be 24 times smaller than the object.

Your Heliocentric model is even more ridiculous because the Moon is 200000 miles away from the Earth on your heliocentric model.

How does an object 200000 miles away cast a shadow that is some 24 times smaller than itself.

Lol......

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Cartog on August 06, 2017, 06:56:13 AM
(1) The calculation of the date and time of the solar eclipse, as well as its path of totality, was worked up by astronomers who adhered to the notion of a Round Earth.  Flat Earthers were incapable of that sort of prediction.  These calculations are always done by REers and they are always accurate.

(2) Part of the difficulty in the FE video is that not only is the earth turning in its 24 hour cycle as the moon moves slowly in a west to east orbit, but also - something that the video neglected - the earth is also moving in its orbit around the sun, which causes the alignment of sun and moon to shift a bit creating the effect that was so crucial in the video.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: onebigmonkey on August 06, 2017, 07:01:19 AM
Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile link=topic=71435.msg1938895#msg1938895

How does an object 200000 miles away cast a shadow that is some 24 times smaller than itself.


Because the object causing it to cast the shadow is much bigger.

It's really not difficult.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: markjo on August 06, 2017, 09:02:21 AM
I'm here because this site is called THE FLAT EARTH SOCIETY and  I want to discuss the Flat Earth Model why are you here ?
If you want to discuss the flat earth model, then why are you bringing up the RE explanation of a solar eclipse?

Why don't you tell us how the FE model explains the upcoming solar eclipse better than RET?

I'm discussing the Heliocentric model to show the readers that it is nonsense and that your Heliocentric model can't explain the upcoming solar Eclipse as the Moon's shadow moves in the opposite direction to the Moon.
But the RE model can and does explain eclipses quite nicely, regardless of your ability to comprehend it.

Even hardcore FE'er Jeranism admits that the RE model is solid.

However, whether or not the RE model reflects reality is a completely different matter.


It would seem you Heliocentrics rely upon the fact that the readers will not be able to understand the difference between actual velocity and angular velocity.
No, it relies in the ability for readers to understand the difference between angular velocity and linear surface velocity.  Obviously you don't.

It also relies on the reader understanding the true scale of the sun-earth-moon system.  Sadly, most don't because almost none of the illustrations are to that correct scale.


The fact of the matter is that the readers can obviously understand that the angular velocity of the earth is far greater than the actual velocity of the moon as the moon rises in the east and sets in the west.
Yes, that much is true.  That's why the moon appears to rise in the east and set in the west even though it's traveling in the same direction as the earth's rotation.

If the Moon's actual velocity is greater than the Earth's angular velocity the Moon would rise in the West and set in the East. " END OF."
But no one said that the moon's orbital velocity is faster than the earth's angular velocity.  We're saying that the moon's orbital velocity  is faster than the earth's rotational velocity.

FE'ers are fond of pointing out that the round earth allegedly spins at 1000 mph at the equator.  Well, the moon orbits the earth at a speed of about 2300 mph.

That's how the moon's shadow can move from west to east.

As such your explanation  on your model for the upcoming solar Eclipse  is nonsense and your Heliocentric fairytale does not match reality as the Moon's shadow moves in the opposite direction to the Moon.
It does, but you just can't wrap your head around the different concepts involved.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False. .
And your ignorant ranting is tedious.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Lonegranger on August 06, 2017, 09:36:14 AM
A little light reading and some background info on the impending event.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/aug/06/first-time-in-99-years-us-total-solar-eclipse-on-21-august-excites-scientists
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 06, 2017, 09:41:04 AM
I'm here because this site is called THE FLAT EARTH SOCIETY and  I want to discuss the Flat Earth Model why are you here ?
If you want to discuss the flat earth model, then why are you bringing up the RE explanation of a solar eclipse?

Why don't you tell us how the FE model explains the upcoming solar eclipse better than RET?

I'm discussing the Heliocentric model to show the readers that it is nonsense and that your Heliocentric model can't explain the upcoming solar Eclipse as the Moon's shadow moves in the opposite direction to the Moon.
But the RE model can and does explain eclipses quite nicely, regardless of your ability to comprehend it.

Even hardcore FE'er Jeranism admits that the RE model is solid.

However, whether or not the RE model reflects reality is a completely different matter.


It would seem you Heliocentrics rely upon the fact that the readers will not be able to understand the difference between actual velocity and angular velocity.
No, it relies in the ability for readers to understand the difference between angular velocity and linear surface velocity.  Obviously you don't.

It also relies on the reader understanding the true scale of the sun-earth-moon system.  Sadly, most don't because almost none of the illustrations are to that correct scale.


The fact of the matter is that the readers can obviously understand that the angular velocity of the earth is far greater than the actual velocity of the moon as the moon rises in the east and sets in the west.
Yes, that much is true.  That's why the moon appears to rise in the east and set in the west even though it's traveling in the same direction as the earth's rotation.

If the Moon's actual velocity is greater than the Earth's angular velocity the Moon would rise in the West and set in the East. " END OF."
But no one said that the moon's orbital velocity is faster than the earth's angular velocity.  We're saying that the moon's orbital velocity  is faster than the earth's rotational velocity.

FE'ers are fond of pointing out that the round earth allegedly spins at 1000 mph at the equator.  Well, the moon orbits the earth at a speed of about 2300 mph.

That's how the moon's shadow can move from west to east.

As such your explanation  on your model for the upcoming solar Eclipse  is nonsense and your Heliocentric fairytale does not match reality as the Moon's shadow moves in the opposite direction to the Moon.
It does, but you just can't wrap your head around the different concepts involved.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False. .
And your ignorant ranting is tedious.

What a load of complete and utter nonsense.

The Earth's rotational velocity does not determine what we see in the sky.

For example:

The rotational velocity at the north pole is negligible.

All the stars and the Moon and the Sun still do a full revolution each day at the north pole.

This is because the Earth's angular velocity determines what we see in the sky.

The Earth's angular velocity is 27 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity which is why it allegedly rises in the east and sets in the west.

It is impossible for the moon's shadow to move in the opposite direction to the moon itself.

It is impossibe for the moon to cast a shadow that is 24 times smaller than itself.

Your Heliocentric model does not match reality and as such it is false.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False. .
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: frenat on August 06, 2017, 09:43:34 AM


http://mathscinotes.com/2010/10/solar-eclipse-math/
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Super Shill on August 06, 2017, 10:29:48 AM
If the heliocentric model does not work, then why does everyone accept it? Because flat earth is dumb, duh!
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 06, 2017, 10:32:21 AM
Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile link=topic=71435.msg1938895#msg1938895

How does an object 200000 miles away cast a shadow that is some 24 times smaller than itself.


Because the object causing it to cast the shadow is much bigger.

It's really not difficult.

Incorrect.

It is ridiculous that you expect people to believe that the Moon which is allegedly 200000 miles away can cast a shadow that is " 24 " times smaller than the moon .

If people try this at home :
Sun
You will need a light source that burns infinitely in a vacuum  ::) and is the same size as the average house and puts out at least one gigawatt of light.

Moon
You will need a tennis ball.

Earth
You will need a child size football (soccer ball for yanks)

Sun
Place your light source at the end of the street.

Moon.
Place your tennis ball 50 m or 60 yards away from your Sun.

Earth.
Place your child size football 1 m or 1.1 yards away from your tennis ball.

Illuminate your Sun.

Now spend a year walking round your sun with your tennis ball and your football remembering to spin your football once a day and remembering to move your tennis ball round your football once a month.



Does your tennis ball cast a shadow that is 24 times smaller than the tennis ball on your football.

Does the shadow on your football move in the opposite direction to your tennis ball you should pay particular attention to the fact that the Sun light source is 50 m directly behind your tennis ball.

I will save you the time in performing this experiment.

The conclusion is No No and No your heliocentric model is ridiculous and doesn't match reality.

Lol.

Lol.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: onebigmonkey on August 06, 2017, 10:41:06 AM

The Earth's angular velocity is 27 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity which is why it allegedly rises in the east and sets in the west.

It is impossible for the moon's shadow to move in the opposite direction to the moon itself.

You do not understand what you are seeing. The moon orbits the Earth in an anti-clockwise path when viewed from above the north pole.

The shadow movement on the globe of the eclipse is entirely consistent with that.

Quote
It is impossibe for the moon to cast a shadow that is 24 times smaller than itself.

It is not. If you measure the width of the shadow, including the penumbra (I'll assume you know what that is) it is entirely consistent with the moon's diameter. Try it, prove me wrong.

The fact that there is a penumbra is perfectly easy to grasp. Here is the shadow being cast by small wooden disk on a globe of the moon, with the disk held under a small bedside lamp.

You can see there is a dark central spot and a lighter shadow around it.

(http://i.imgur.com/9wVeIcx.jpg)
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Zaphod on August 06, 2017, 10:44:34 AM
R.i.F

Do you accept that there will be an eclipse on august 21st?

If yes, how do you think we know, and how were the path, shadow width, timings etc calculated?

I've spent lots of dosh on flights, car hire, campsites in Wyoming etc so I jolly well hope they've got it right!
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 06, 2017, 10:45:17 AM
If the heliocentric model does not work, then why does everyone accept it? Because flat earth is dumb, duh!

If you actually spoke to normal people tou would realise that they do not accept it.

The only people that do accept it are the people that haven't looked into it yet and the stupid and gullable.

Stupid and gullable people believe anything this site is proof of this .

For example most people on this site believe the Heliocentric model even though it is nonsense and doesn't match reality they defend the Globe and space when they have never seen and never will see either this is because they are religious.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 06, 2017, 10:57:20 AM

The Earth's angular velocity is 27 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity which is why it allegedly rises in the east and sets in the west.

It is impossible for the moon's shadow to move in the opposite direction to the moon itself.

You do not understand what you are seeing. The moon orbits the Earth in an anti-clockwise path when viewed from above the north pole.

The shadow movement on the globe of the eclipse is entirely consistent with that.

Quote
It is impossibe for the moon to cast a shadow that is 24 times smaller than itself.

It is not. If you measure the width of the shadow, including the penumbra (I'll assume you know what that is) it is entirely consistent with the moon's diameter. Try it, prove me wrong.

The fact that there is a penumbra is perfectly easy to grasp. Here is the shadow being cast by small wooden disk on a globe of the moon, with the disk held under a small bedside lamp.

You can see there is a dark central spot and a lighter shadow around it.

(http://i.imgur.com/9wVeIcx.jpg)

Thank you .

You have just proved me right .

The shadow cast by the object is definitely not 24 times smaller than the objet itself.

Your experiment is also floored the lamp would have to be at least 50 m away .

If the lamp was 50 m away the shadow cast by the object would "HAVE TO BE BIGGER THAN THE OBJECT ITSELF" pay particular attention to the fact that the object representing the earth is another metre away.

Remember on your model the Eclispe is caused by the Moon passing between the Earth and the Sun.

https://www.space.com/15584-solar-eclipses.html

It is therefore impossible for the Moon to cast a shadow 24 times smaller than itself especially when we look at the distances involved.

Original video:




Part 2 :



Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Super Shill on August 06, 2017, 11:01:28 AM
Lol There your tennis ball model is dumb!

This is how it really works.

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/cjCtvYgjt56jarLn6qlKZXErw6k=/0x0:640x360/720x0/filters:focal(0x0:640x360):gifv():no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/8886791/shadow.gif
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: onebigmonkey on August 06, 2017, 11:03:55 AM
Which bit of "The moon is not casting a shadow 24 times smaller than itself is causing you a problem?

The only one claiming that is you, and you're wrong. Measure the shadow, you'll find it's entirely consistent with the moon's diameter. The line on Google Earth there is the diameter of the moon. Compare it with the complete shadow.

(http://i.imgur.com/BGHHe1I.jpg)

The photo I provided was to demonstrate that a solid object does not need to have a solid shadow. You continue to fail to comprehend what is being shown to you. If you think my model is flawed, do your own.

Oh, and I guess you're conceding that the shadow is going in the right direction.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 06, 2017, 11:05:07 AM
R.i.F

Do you accept that there will be an eclipse on august 21st?

If yes, how do you think we know, and how were the path, shadow width, timings etc calculated?

I've spent lots of dosh on flights, car hire, campsites in Wyoming etc so I jolly well hope they've got it right!

That is irrelevant.

The Ancient Chinese could predict eclipses on their Flat model.

https://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/solar-eclipse-history.html

I believe the Heliocentric's have retrofitted their mathematics to work with the Ancient Chinese/ Babylonian Flat Model.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 06, 2017, 11:10:54 AM
Which bit of "The moon is not casting a shadow 24 times smaller than itself is causing you a problem?

The only one claiming that is you, and you're wrong. Measure the shadow, you'll find it's entirely consistent with the moon's diameter. The line on Google Earth there is the diameter of the moon. Compare it with the complete shadow.

(http://i.imgur.com/BGHHe1I.jpg)

The photo I provided was to demonstrate that a solid object does not need to have a solid shadow. You continue to fail to comprehend what is being shown to you. If you think my model is flawed, do your own.

Oh, and I guess you're conceding that the shadow is going in the right direction.

You are incorrect yet again.

Sorry to have to tell you this but Google earth is not real it is CGI.
 ;D

It says here the Eclispe totality is only 70 miles.

https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/7/25/15925410/total-solar-eclipse-2017-explained

The eclipse is caused by the Moon passing between the Earth and the Sun so the Shadow should be much greater in size than the Moon as on your model the Moon is some 200000 miles away and the Sun is millions of miles away from that.

Your model does not match reality and as such is false.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Zaphod on August 06, 2017, 11:17:06 AM

That is irrelevant.

The Ancient Chinese could predict eclipses on their Flat model.

https://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/solar-eclipse-history.html

I believe the Heliocentric's have retrofitted their mathematics to work with the Ancient Chinese/ Babylonian Flat Model.

Did you actually read any of the article in that link?

Quote
Although early eclipse pioneers, including Chinese astronomer Liu Hsiang, Greek philosopher Plutarch, and Byzantine historian Leo Diaconus tried to describe and explain solar eclipses and their features, it was not until 1605 that astronomer Johannes Kepler gave a scientific description of a total solar eclipse.

More than a century later, Edmund Halley, who the famous Halley's comet is named after, predicted the timing and path of the total solar eclipse on May 3, 1715. His calculations were only 4 minutes and about 30 km (18 mi) off from the actual timing and path of the eclipse.



I wonder what model Kepler and Halley used?
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Badxtoss on August 06, 2017, 11:24:13 AM
Which bit of "The moon is not casting a shadow 24 times smaller than itself is causing you a problem?

The only one claiming that is you, and you're wrong. Measure the shadow, you'll find it's entirely consistent with the moon's diameter. The line on Google Earth there is the diameter of the moon. Compare it with the complete shadow.

(http://i.imgur.com/BGHHe1I.jpg)

The photo I provided was to demonstrate that a solid object does not need to have a solid shadow. You continue to fail to comprehend what is being shown to you. If you think my model is flawed, do your own.

Oh, and I guess you're conceding that the shadow is going in the right direction.

You are incorrect yet again.

Sorry to have to tell you this but Google earth is not real it is CGI.
 ;D

It says here the Eclispe totality is only 70 miles.

https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/7/25/15925410/total-solar-eclipse-2017-explained

The eclipse is caused by the Moon passing between the Earth and the Sun so the Shadow should be much greater in size than the Moon as on your model the Moon is some 200000 miles away and the Sun is millions of miles away from that.

Your model does not match reality and as such is false.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Ok you won't accept the explanation for how this works on a round earth.  Explain how it works on a flat one.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 06, 2017, 11:27:00 AM

That is irrelevant.

The Ancient Chinese could predict eclipses on their Flat model.

https://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/solar-eclipse-history.html

I believe the Heliocentric's have retrofitted their mathematics to work with the Ancient Chinese/ Babylonian Flat Model.

Did you actually read any of the article in that link?

Quote
Although early eclipse pioneers, including Chinese astronomer Liu Hsiang, Greek philosopher Plutarch, and Byzantine historian Leo Diaconus tried to describe and explain solar eclipses and their features, it was not until 1605 that astronomer Johannes Kepler gave a scientific description of a total solar eclipse.

More than a century later, Edmund Halley, who the famous Halley's comet is named after, predicted the timing and path of the total solar eclipse on May 3, 1715. His calculations were only 4 minutes and about 30 km (18 mi) off from the actual timing and path of the eclipse.



I wonder what model Kepler and Halley used?

OK try this one.

https://explorable.com/chinese-astronomy

As it says a false prediction was punishable by death.

The Chinese where accurately predicting eclispes when westerners where still living in caves ; sharing their women and having sex with apes.

Like I said the Heliocentric's have retrofitted their mathematics to fit the ancient Chinese /Babylonian flat model.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Badxtoss on August 06, 2017, 11:35:43 AM

That is irrelevant.

The Ancient Chinese could predict eclipses on their Flat model.

https://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/solar-eclipse-history.html

I believe the Heliocentric's have retrofitted their mathematics to work with the Ancient Chinese/ Babylonian Flat Model.

Did you actually read any of the article in that link?

Quote
Although early eclipse pioneers, including Chinese astronomer Liu Hsiang, Greek philosopher Plutarch, and Byzantine historian Leo Diaconus tried to describe and explain solar eclipses and their features, it was not until 1605 that astronomer Johannes Kepler gave a scientific description of a total solar eclipse.

More than a century later, Edmund Halley, who the famous Halley's comet is named after, predicted the timing and path of the total solar eclipse on May 3, 1715. His calculations were only 4 minutes and about 30 km (18 mi) off from the actual timing and path of the eclipse.



I wonder what model Kepler and Halley used?

OK try this one.

https://explorable.com/chinese-astronomy

As it says a false prediction was punishable by death.

The Chinese where accurately predicting eclispes when westerners where still living in caves ; sharing their women and having sex with apes.

Like I said the Heliocentric's have retrofitted their mathematics to fit the ancient Chinese /Babylonian flat model.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
You still haven't answered how the eclipse itself works on a flat earth.  Why do you keep dodging this question?
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Zaphod on August 06, 2017, 12:02:45 PM
RIF

Quote

OK try this one.

https://explorable.com/chinese-astronomy

As it says a false prediction was punishable by death.

The Chinese where accurately predicting eclispes when westerners where still living in caves ; sharing their women and having sex with apes.

Like I said the Heliocentric's have retrofitted their mathematics to fit the ancient Chinese /Babylonian flat model.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Interesting article. It doesn't say they were using a flat earth model though and states they were more interested in observation and record keeping rather than developing theories and models. The eclipses they were trying to predict were lunar rather than solar. As the earth is so much larger than the moon I guess this would not require so much accuracy.

Can you link to any working FE model for predicting eclipses? This surely must exist if heliocentrics have "retrofitted" their mathematics.

Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 06, 2017, 12:22:20 PM
RIF

Quote

OK try this one.

https://explorable.com/chinese-astronomy

As it says a false prediction was punishable by death.

The Chinese where accurately predicting eclispes when westerners where still living in caves ; sharing their women and having sex with apes.

Like I said the Heliocentric's have retrofitted their mathematics to fit the ancient Chinese /Babylonian flat model.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Interesting article. It doesn't say they were using a flat earth model though and states they were more interested in observation and record keeping rather than developing theories and models. The eclipses they were trying to predict were lunar rather than solar. As the earth is so much larger than the moon I guess this would not require so much accuracy.

Can you link to any working FE model for predicting eclipses? This surely must exist if heliocentrics have "retrofitted" their mathematics.

Yes I would say it does still exist but it will be kept secret.

Unfortunately I'm not Chinese and live in Britain.

I would hazard a guess that most of these models have been destroyed as they debunk the Heliocentric model.

Like how us westerners are trying to destroy Ancient Chinese Medicine at the moment ; because there is no profit in cures there is only profit in drugs that relieve the symptoms.

Don't worry I'm sure one of the Flat Earth experts will source one very soon.

I will see if I can find a youtube video regarding this matter but when I do it will Warrent a new thread.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 06, 2017, 12:32:32 PM

That is irrelevant.

The Ancient Chinese could predict eclipses on their Flat model.

https://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/solar-eclipse-history.html

I believe the Heliocentric's have retrofitted their mathematics to work with the Ancient Chinese/ Babylonian Flat Model.

Did you actually read any of the article in that link?

Quote
Although early eclipse pioneers, including Chinese astronomer Liu Hsiang, Greek philosopher Plutarch, and Byzantine historian Leo Diaconus tried to describe and explain solar eclipses and their features, it was not until 1605 that astronomer Johannes Kepler gave a scientific description of a total solar eclipse.

More than a century later, Edmund Halley, who the famous Halley's comet is named after, predicted the timing and path of the total solar eclipse on May 3, 1715. His calculations were only 4 minutes and about 30 km (18 mi) off from the actual timing and path of the eclipse.



I wonder what model Kepler and Halley used?

OK try this one.

https://explorable.com/chinese-astronomy

As it says a false prediction was punishable by death.

The Chinese where accurately predicting eclispes when westerners where still living in caves ; sharing their women and having sex with apes.

Like I said the Heliocentric's have retrofitted their mathematics to fit the ancient Chinese /Babylonian flat model.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
You still haven't answered how the eclipse itself works on a flat earth.  Why do you keep dodging this question?

It is irrelevant if I answer your question or not this thread is called Eclispe on 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe "NOT"

Solar Eclipses on Flat Earth explained .

I suggest you do your own research.

I have proved that the Solar Eclispe on the 21.08.17 will debunk your Heliocentric Globe model.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: MicroBeta on August 06, 2017, 12:42:55 PM
Thanks for posting vids RIF. How about you REtards explain why the the moon is casting such a small shadow during the eclipse.
That's easy to explain.  And you can test it in your own backyard.  Take a ball outside, draw a circle of the same diameter as the ball on anything, and try to get that shadow to fit into that circle.

Further, this link has all the data tables and equations that accurately predict eclipses for the next thousand years.  It will predict the path and width of totality.  If you could debunk this you'd have all the ammo you need.

Mike

More of your nonsense  ::)

It is impossible for an objects shadow to be 24 times smaller than the object.

Your Heliocentric model is even more ridiculous because the Moon is 200000 miles away from the Earth on your heliocentric model.

How does an object 200000 miles away cast a shadow that is some 24 times smaller than itself.

Lol......

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
I apologize for the missing link but here it is.  All the equations, assumptions, data tables, paths of totality, etc. is contained in the document.

You may want to call it nonsense but it all works and is based on a spherical/celestial coordinate system.  It fits all past observations and accurately predicts future event for the next thousand years. 

BTW,  you can actually test this outside.  All you need is a ball, a piece of paper with a circle the same diameter as the ball, and a nice sunny day.  Try to fill the circle with the shadow of the ball.  Unless you put it in contact with the surface you can't do it.  You can actually calculate the shadow size based on the size of the moon, the size of the sun, and it's and it's distance from the earth.  It's not magic just simple math and a basic understanding of optics you can get from any high school text book. Umbra & Penumbra!  You can't change or ignore the laws physics just to suit your views.

https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/5MCLE/5MKLE-214173.pdf

Mike
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Badxtoss on August 06, 2017, 12:48:28 PM

That is irrelevant.

The Ancient Chinese could predict eclipses on their Flat model.

https://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/solar-eclipse-history.html

I believe the Heliocentric's have retrofitted their mathematics to work with the Ancient Chinese/ Babylonian Flat Model.

Did you actually read any of the article in that link?

Quote
Although early eclipse pioneers, including Chinese astronomer Liu Hsiang, Greek philosopher Plutarch, and Byzantine historian Leo Diaconus tried to describe and explain solar eclipses and their features, it was not until 1605 that astronomer Johannes Kepler gave a scientific description of a total solar eclipse.

More than a century later, Edmund Halley, who the famous Halley's comet is named after, predicted the timing and path of the total solar eclipse on May 3, 1715. His calculations were only 4 minutes and about 30 km (18 mi) off from the actual timing and path of the eclipse.



I wonder what model Kepler and Halley used?

OK try this one.

https://explorable.com/chinese-astronomy

As it says a false prediction was punishable by death.

The Chinese where accurately predicting eclispes when westerners where still living in caves ; sharing their women and having sex with apes.

Like I said the Heliocentric's have retrofitted their mathematics to fit the ancient Chinese /Babylonian flat model.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
You still haven't answered how the eclipse itself works on a flat earth.  Why do you keep dodging this question?

It is irrelevant if I answer your question or not this thread is called Eclispe on 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe "NOT"

Solar Eclipses on Flat Earth explained .

I suggest you do your own research.

I have proved that the Solar Eclispe on the 21.08.17 will debunk your Heliocentric Globe model.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
So no you can't show how it would work on a flat earth.  Ok. 
The only thing you have proved is your lack of understanding of solar eclipses.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Alpha2Omega on August 06, 2017, 01:13:18 PM
Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile link=topic=71435.msg1938895#msg1938895

How does an object 200000 miles away cast a shadow that is some 24 times smaller than itself.


Because the object causing it to cast the shadow is much bigger.

It's really not difficult.

Incorrect.

It is ridiculous that you expect people to believe that the Moon which is allegedly 200000 miles away can cast a shadow that is " 24 " times smaller than the moon .

Why the " quote marks " around 24, and why the extra space before the period ?

The moon is roughly 240,000 miles from earth. If you're going to demand people do things to scale, might as well get the dimensions right.

You certainly seem to work extra hard to avoid understanding this even though it's a relatively simple concept.

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<description of a poorly-designed experiment>

Does your tennis ball cast a shadow that is 24 times smaller than the tennis ball on your football.

Let's see. According to your recipe:

You will need a light source that ... is the same size as the average house
You will need a child size football (soccer ball for yanks)
You will need a tennis ball

Now, since "the same size as the average house" is kind of vague, and there is more than one definition of a "child size foorball", that leaves us with the tennis ball as a scale. The diameter of a tennis ball (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennis_ball#Specifications) is about 6.7 cm. Since the moon's diameter is about 27% the earth's diameter, to the same scale, earth would need to be just under 25 cm diameter. Now, soccer ball sizes are officially specified by circumference in inches, so, for our scaled earth, circumference is 78 cm, or 30.7 inches. A regulation-size ball for professional play is smaller than that. 

Quote from: https://www.football-bible.com/soccer-info/soccer-ball-sizes.html
The soccer ball used in professional leagues and in the FIFA World Cup is called “size 5”. The following are the specifications of an official size 5 soccer ball:

Circumference: 27 to 28 inches (69 to 71 cm)
...

Kids’ & youth soccer ball circumference

U-6, U-7, & U-8: Size 3 is the official soccer ball for toddlers and young children. It has a circumference of 23-24 inches... Size 3 is the smallest official ball.
U-9, U-10, & U-11: Size 4 is the standard soccer ball for kids aged between nine and 11 years old. It has a circumference of 25-26 inches...

I'm not sure why you specifically call for a child's ball, but that seems to be incorrect if you want to maintain scale.

Anyway, the sun's diameter is approximately 109 times greater than earth's, so your sun should be about 27 meters across (25 cm * 109 = 2700 cm). That's a pretty big house!

Anyway, continuing...
Place your tennis ball 50 m or 60 yards away from your Sun.
Place your child size football 1 m or 1.1 yards away from your tennis ball.

The distance from earth to moon is roughly 30 times the diameter of the earth, so our scaled moon should be 7.5 meters from the earth to match the scale. How did you come up with 1 meter? Similarly, the sun is about 375 times as far from the earth as the moon is, not the 51 times you call for.

Even though your proposal is obviously sloppily designed, let's continue with it, anyway. We will start by solving for the poorly-specified diameter of the sun based on the dimensions of your moon, the distances you provide, and the desired shadow size.

Diameter of the shadow (umbra, I presume) 1m away from our tennis-ball moon is "24 times smaller" than the tennis ball, so 1m is the distance from the tennis ball to 1/24 of the way from the end of its umbra, or 23/24 of the length of the umbra.

This means the umbra ends at a distance:
d = 1m / (23/24)
 = 24 * 1m / 23
d = 1.043m

This means that the tennis ball exactly obscures our scaled sun 1.043 meters on the far side of the tennis ball. So how big must the sun be at this scale?

The sun is (50m + 1.043m)/1.043m = 48.9 times times as far away from the end of the umbra as the tennis ball is, so it must be 48.9 times times larger than the tennis ball.

Dsun = 48.9 * 6.7 cm
 = 328 cm
Dsun = 3.3m

3.3 meters across is a pretty small house.

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Does the shadow on your football move in the opposite direction to your tennis ball you should pay particular attention to the fact that the Sun light source is 50 m directly behind your tennis ball.

That distance isn't really long enough, but the shadow moves in the same direction as the tennis ball. If the linear movements are done to scale and the correct direction, the shadow moves from right to left (ccw about the soccer ball, as viewed from above) faster than a point on the surface of the soccer ball rotates ccw about the center, also from right to left by about a factor of two, so the shadow would move across the surface from west to east, exactly as expected.

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I will save you the time in performing this experiment.

Good idea! It terribly flawed and won't work at all as designed.

Quote
The conclusion is No No and No your heliocentric model is ridiculous and doesn't match reality.

No, it's much simpler than that. Your understanding doesn't match reality.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 06, 2017, 02:06:09 PM
Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile link=topic=71435.msg1938895#msg1938895

How does an object 200000 miles away cast a shadow that is some 24 times smaller than itself.


Because the object causing it to cast the shadow is much bigger.

It's really not difficult.

Incorrect.

It is ridiculous that you expect people to believe that the Moon which is allegedly 200000 miles away can cast a shadow that is " 24 " times smaller than the moon .

Why the " quote marks " around 24, and why the extra space before the period ?

The moon is roughly 240,000 miles from earth. If you're going to demand people do things to scale, might as well get the dimensions right.

You certainly seem to work extra hard to avoid understanding this even though it's a relatively simple concept.

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<description of a poorly-designed experiment>

Does your tennis ball cast a shadow that is 24 times smaller than the tennis ball on your football.

Let's see. According to your recipe:

You will need a light source that ... is the same size as the average house
You will need a child size football (soccer ball for yanks)
You will need a tennis ball

Now, since "the same size as the average house" is kind of vague, and there is more than one definition of a "child size foorball", that leaves us with the tennis ball as a scale. The diameter of a tennis ball (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennis_ball#Specifications) is about 6.7 cm. Since the moon's diameter is about 27% the earth's diameter, to the same scale, earth would need to be just under 25 cm diameter. Now, soccer ball sizes are officially specified by circumference in inches, so, for our scaled earth, circumference is 78 cm, or 30.7 inches. A regulation-size ball for professional play is smaller than that. 

Quote from: https://www.football-bible.com/soccer-info/soccer-ball-sizes.html
The soccer ball used in professional leagues and in the FIFA World Cup is called “size 5”. The following are the specifications of an official size 5 soccer ball:

Circumference: 27 to 28 inches (69 to 71 cm)
...

Kids’ & youth soccer ball circumference

U-6, U-7, & U-8: Size 3 is the official soccer ball for toddlers and young children. It has a circumference of 23-24 inches... Size 3 is the smallest official ball.
U-9, U-10, & U-11: Size 4 is the standard soccer ball for kids aged between nine and 11 years old. It has a circumference of 25-26 inches...

I'm not sure why you specifically call for a child's ball, but that seems to be incorrect if you want to maintain scale.

Anyway, the sun's diameter is approximately 109 times greater than earth's, so your sun should be about 27 meters across (25 cm * 109 = 2700 cm). That's a pretty big house!

Anyway, continuing...
Place your tennis ball 50 m or 60 yards away from your Sun.
Place your child size football 1 m or 1.1 yards away from your tennis ball.

The distance from earth to moon is roughly 30 times the diameter of the earth, so our scaled moon should be 7.5 meters from the earth to match the scale. How did you come up with 1 meter? Similarly, the sun is about 375 times as far from the earth as the moon is, not the 51 times you call for.

Even though your proposal is obviously sloppily designed, let's continue with it, anyway. We will start by solving for the poorly-specified diameter of the sun based on the dimensions of your moon, the distances you provide, and the desired shadow size.

Diameter of the shadow (umbra, I presume) 1m away from our tennis-ball moon is "24 times smaller" than the tennis ball, so 1m is the distance from the tennis ball to 1/24 of the way from the end of its umbra, or 23/24 of the length of the umbra.

This means the umbra ends at a distance:
d = 1m / (23/24)
 = 24 * 1m / 23
d = 1.043m

This means that the tennis ball exactly obscures our scaled sun 1.043 meters on the far side of the tennis ball. So how big must the sun be at this scale?

The sun is (50m + 1.043m)/1.043m = 48.9 times times as far away from the end of the umbra as the tennis ball is, so it must be 48.9 times times larger than the tennis ball.

Dsun = 48.9 * 6.7 cm
 = 328 cm
Dsun = 3.3m

3.3 meters across is a pretty small house.

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Does the shadow on your football move in the opposite direction to your tennis ball you should pay particular attention to the fact that the Sun light source is 50 m directly behind your tennis ball.

That distance isn't really long enough, but the shadow moves in the same direction as the tennis ball. If the linear movements are done to scale and the correct direction, the shadow moves from right to left (ccw about the soccer ball, as viewed from above) faster than a point on the surface of the soccer ball rotates ccw about the center, also from right to left by about a factor of two, so the shadow would move across the surface from west to east, exactly as expected.

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I will save you the time in performing this experiment.

Good idea! It terribly flawed and won't work at all as designed.

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The conclusion is No No and No your heliocentric model is ridiculous and doesn't match reality.

No, it's much simpler than that. Your understanding doesn't match reality.

That post was a joke  ::)

I was making fun at just how ridiculous your Heliocentric model is.

It is impossible for the Moon's shadow to move the opposite way to the Moon itself when the earth's angular velocity is allegedly 27 times greater than the Moon's alleged actual velocity.

It is impossible for any object to cast a shadow 24 times smaller than itself.

THE END.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Crutchwater on August 06, 2017, 02:09:30 PM
Ask dutchy, he got his ass handed to him on this very subject.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: MicroBeta on August 06, 2017, 02:31:24 PM
That post was a joke  ::)

I was making fun at just how ridiculous your Heliocentric model is.

It is impossible for the Moon's shadow to move the opposite way to the Moon itself when the earth's angular velocity is allegedly 27 times greater than the Moon's alleged actual velocity.

It is impossible for any object to cast a shadow 24 times smaller than itself.

THE END.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
This should help you figure out the direction the moon and it's shadow travel.  No magic just basic trigonometry and relative motion.



Further, see my previous post.  It will straighten out your misconceptions on the size of the moons shadow.

Mike
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 06, 2017, 02:32:10 PM
Thanks for posting vids RIF. How about you REtards explain why the the moon is casting such a small shadow during the eclipse.
That's easy to explain.  And you can test it in your own backyard.  Take a ball outside, draw a circle of the same diameter as the ball on anything, and try to get that shadow to fit into that circle.

Further, this link has all the data tables and equations that accurately predict eclipses for the next thousand years.  It will predict the path and width of totality.  If you could debunk this you'd have all the ammo you need.

Mike

More of your nonsense  ::)

It is impossible for an objects shadow to be 24 times smaller than the object.

Your Heliocentric model is even more ridiculous because the Moon is 200000 miles away from the Earth on your heliocentric model.

How does an object 200000 miles away cast a shadow that is some 24 times smaller than itself.

Lol......

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
I apologize for the missing link but here it is.  All the equations, assumptions, data tables, paths of totality, etc. is contained in the document.

You may want to call it nonsense but it all works and is based on a spherical/celestial coordinate system.  It fits all past observations and accurately predicts future event for the next thousand years. 

BTW,  you can actually test this outside.  All you need is a ball, a piece of paper with a circle the same diameter as the ball, and a nice sunny day.  Try to fill the circle with the shadow of the ball.  Unless you put it in contact with the surface you can't do it.  You can actually calculate the shadow size based on the size of the moon, the size of the sun, and it's and it's distance from the earth.  It's not magic just simple math and a basic understanding of optics you can get from any high school text book. Umbra & Penumbra!  You can't change or ignore the laws physics just to suit your views.

https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/5MCLE/5MKLE-214173.pdf

Mike

It seems you Heliocentrics know no bounds when it come to defending your religion.

What absolute nonsense.


I hope this link helps you to understand how shadows work.

http://www.peachpit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=486505&seqNum=4


I hope this video helps you understand how shadows work.



As you will probobly have trouble comprehending that videoand the website I linked I will link this one that is for children.



You should pay particular attention to how the mandarins shadow increases in size the further it is moved away from the surface it's shadow is projected on.

Can you now please explain to me how the Moon can cast a shadow that is some 24 times smaller than itself.

According to the laws of physics this is impossible.

As your Heliocentric model doesn't match reality and true verified science it must be FALSE.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: rabinoz on August 06, 2017, 02:35:25 PM
R.i.F
Do you accept that there will be an eclipse on august 21st?
If yes, how do you think we know, and how were the path, shadow width, timings etc calculated?
I've spent lots of dosh on flights, car hire, campsites in Wyoming etc so I jolly well hope they've got it right!
That is irrelevant.
The Ancient Chinese could predict eclipses on their Flat model.
https://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/solar-eclipse-history.html
irrelevant!
The Ancient Chinese, Sumerians and Babylonians did not have the same ridiculous flat earth model with the sun and moon circling above the earth. Not only that, but their predicted eclipses did not always come "on cue".
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/3oimjvxqs2d3bix/Off%20with%20their%20heads.jpeg?dl=1)
Off with their heads!
         
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Predicting the Emperor's Future

Surviving records have shown that the Babylonians and the ancient Chinese were able to predict solar eclipses as early as 2500 BCE.

In China, solar eclipses were thought to be associated with the health and success of the emperor, and failing to predict one meant putting him in danger. Legend has it that 2 astrologers, Hsi and Ho, were executed for failing to predict a solar eclipse. Historians and astronomers believe that the eclipse that they failed to forecast occurred on October 22, 2134 BCE, which would make it the oldest solar eclipse ever recorded in human history.
From: Time and Date, Solar Eclipses in History (https://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/solar-eclipse-history.html)

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
I believe the Heliocentric's have retrofitted their mathematics to work with the Ancient Chinese/ Babylonian Flat Model.
And you believe incorrectly, but even if it were,
the "Ancient Chinese/ Babylonian Flat Model" is not the same as your flat earth model!
So you fail miserably again!

Ignorance.is.Wonderful's motto:
“If I had a world of my own everything would be nonsense nothing would be what it is because everything would be what it isn’t.”
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 06, 2017, 02:45:34 PM
That post was a joke  ::)

I was making fun at just how ridiculous your Heliocentric model is.

It is impossible for the Moon's shadow to move the opposite way to the Moon itself when the earth's angular velocity is allegedly 27 times greater than the Moon's alleged actual velocity.

It is impossible for any object to cast a shadow 24 times smaller than itself.

THE END.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
This should help you figure out the direction the moon and it's shadow travel.  No magic just basic trigonometry and relative motion.



Further, see my previous post.  It will straighten out your misconceptions on the size of the moons shadow.

Mike

No that video is nonsense and contradictory.

It claims the Earth's angular velocity is up to 79 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity which contradicts your heliocentric model.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon


Then at the end it claims the Moon's velocity is greater than the Earth's angular velocity using a video from NASA .

Lol.

Lol.

Here is a link explaining angular velocity and  rotational velocity in regard to the Earth on the Heliocentric model.

https://www.quora.com/Given-that-the-earth-is-rotating-at-great-velocity-how-is-it-that-we-can-see-stars-and-planets-as-if-we-are-watching-them-from-a-stationary-object


Everyone can verify that the earth's angular velocity is greater than the Moon's actual velocity as the Moon rises in the East and sets in the west every day.

Most people can verify that the Earth's actual rotational velocity does not determine what we see in the sky as in the north pole where the rotational velocity is negligible on your heliocentric model;  the moon the sun and the stars still do a full rotation " EVERY DAY "

Your Heliocentric model does not match reality and as such is FALSE.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: MicroBeta on August 06, 2017, 03:34:03 PM
I apologize for the missing link but here it is.  All the equations, assumptions, data tables, paths of totality, etc. is contained in the document.

You may want to call it nonsense but it all works and is based on a spherical/celestial coordinate system.  It fits all past observations and accurately predicts future event for the next thousand years. 

BTW,  you can actually test this outside.  All you need is a ball, a piece of paper with a circle the same diameter as the ball, and a nice sunny day.  Try to fill the circle with the shadow of the ball.  Unless you put it in contact with the surface you can't do it.  You can actually calculate the shadow size based on the size of the moon, the size of the sun, and it's and it's distance from the earth.  It's not magic just simple math and a basic understanding of optics you can get from any high school text book. Umbra & Penumbra!  You can't change or ignore the laws physics just to suit your views.

https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/5MCLE/5MKLE-214173.pdf

Mike

It seems you Heliocentrics know no bounds when it come to defending your religion.

What absolute nonsense.


I hope this link helps you to understand how shadows work.

http://www.peachpit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=486505&seqNum=4

I hope this video helps you understand how shadows work.



As you will probobly have trouble comprehending that videoand the website I linked I will link this one that is for children.



You should pay particular attention to how the mandarins shadow increases in size the further it is moved away from the surface it's shadow is projected on.

Can you now please explain to me how the Moon can cast a shadow that is some 24 times smaller than itself.

According to the laws of physics this is impossible.

As your Heliocentric model doesn't match reality and true verified science it must be FALSE.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
I guess the laws of physics are different in your universe.  So you’re unable to refute anything I’ve posted so you’ll just throw up some youtube videos.  The first is all opinion and conjecture without a single support analytical method to, well...show anything.

The second video where child is being home schooled...interesting.  If you actually watched it you'd notice the shadow is smaller than the orange with a diffuse shadow area around the dark shadow.  Kinda like the description of the moon shadow.

I’ve provided you with a link to all the math and data.  All you had to do was show why it doesn’t work.

I provided you with an easy experiment.  One that, if you’re right should disprove, will disprove the moon shadow size so why are you afraid to try it?

You seem to just dismiss everything without even attempting to debunk it.  You provide links to other peoples junk science without citing any real physics or math in support.  Not much of an actual discussion.  What's factually incorrect with what I posted?  How about we start there.

Mike
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 06, 2017, 03:55:13 PM
I apologize for the missing link but here it is.  All the equations, assumptions, data tables, paths of totality, etc. is contained in the document.

You may want to call it nonsense but it all works and is based on a spherical/celestial coordinate system.  It fits all past observations and accurately predicts future event for the next thousand years. 

BTW,  you can actually test this outside.  All you need is a ball, a piece of paper with a circle the same diameter as the ball, and a nice sunny day.  Try to fill the circle with the shadow of the ball.  Unless you put it in contact with the surface you can't do it.  You can actually calculate the shadow size based on the size of the moon, the size of the sun, and it's and it's distance from the earth.  It's not magic just simple math and a basic understanding of optics you can get from any high school text book. Umbra & Penumbra!  You can't change or ignore the laws physics just to suit your views.

https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/5MCLE/5MKLE-214173.pdf

Mike

It seems you Heliocentrics know no bounds when it come to defending your religion.

What absolute nonsense.


I hope this link helps you to understand how shadows work.

http://www.peachpit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=486505&seqNum=4

I hope this video helps you understand how shadows work.



As you will probobly have trouble comprehending that videoand the website I linked I will link this one that is for children.



You should pay particular attention to how the mandarins shadow increases in size the further it is moved away from the surface it's shadow is projected on.

Can you now please explain to me how the Moon can cast a shadow that is some 24 times smaller than itself.

According to the laws of physics this is impossible.

As your Heliocentric model doesn't match reality and true verified science it must be FALSE.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
I guess the laws of physics are different in your universe.  So you’re unable to refute anything I’ve posted so you’ll just throw up some youtube videos.  The first is all opinion and conjecture without a single support analytical method to, well...show anything.

The second video where child is being home schooled...interesting.  If you actually watched it you'd notice the shadow is smaller than the orange with a diffuse shadow area around the dark shadow.  Kinda like the description of the moon shadow.

I’ve provided you with a link to all the math and data.  All you had to do was show why it doesn’t work.

I provided you with an easy experiment.  One that, if you’re right should disprove, will disprove the moon shadow size so why are you afraid to try it?

You seem to just dismiss everything without even attempting to debunk it.  You provide links to other peoples junk science without citing any real physics or math in support.  Not much of an actual discussion.  What's factually incorrect with what I posted?  How about we start there.

Mike

You live in delusion.

The child's video debunked your home experiment.

I have explained numerous times how the earth's alleged angular velocity is greater than the Moon's alleged actual velocity.

I have explained how this can be verified as the Moon rises in the East everyday and sets in the west every day.

I have also explained that if the Moon's actual velocity was greater than the Earth's angular velocity that the moon would rise in the West and set in the East.

I have also explained that if this was the case the Moon would have to orbit the earth more than once a day not the 27 day orbit that your heliocentric model claims.

I have explained how the earth's rotational velocity does not determine what we see in the sky ;

I even gave an example that can be verified which was the north pole where the alleged rotational velocity is negligible the luminaries still do a full rotation everyday.

I have explained how shadows work .

I have given a child's video as an example to prove that it is impossible for any object to project a shadow that is 24 times smaller than itself on another object as the Moon allegedly will do on the 21.08.17 on your false heliocentric model regarding the upcoming solar eclispe.

I have explained how it is impossible for the moon to project it's shadow in the opposite direction to what it moves in the sky as the sun is relatively stationary to the earth so the moon's shadow will have to be directly under the moon as the eclispe is caused when the moon passes between the Sun and the Earth.

I have debunked your Globe model regarding the Solar Eclispe in every aspect possible.

You are not fooling anyone with your nonsense that goes against the laws of real verified physics and explanations and videos that contradict your heliocentric model.

The readers will make their own minds up.

All you and your brethren have to offer is contradictory videos and explanations in a desperate attempt to try and get your model to work.

It does not work.

The End.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Sentinel on August 06, 2017, 04:05:08 PM
You guys should know by now that debating with Ignorance.is.Bliss is in fact futile...  :-\
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 06, 2017, 04:10:09 PM
You guys should know by now that debating with Ignorance.is.Bliss is in fact futile...  :-\

Incorrect

They know it is a waste of time trying to get their tired old heliocentric  model to " Work " regarding the upcoming solar eclipse.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Crutchwater on August 06, 2017, 04:21:05 PM
You guys should know by now that debating with Ignorance.is.Bliss is in fact futile...  :-\

Grade school education, at most
Sophomore level troll, at best.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: MicroBeta on August 06, 2017, 04:32:52 PM
<snip>
All you and your brethren have to offer is contradictory videos and explanations in a desperate attempt to try and get your model to work.
<snip>
This statement is false.  AAMOF, I provided you with a link. 

A link that contained every assumption, data, and complete analytical solution to a heliocentric model of eclipses. 

A link that to a document that if debunked would be the Holy Grail to Flat Earth Theory. 

A chance to show that the heliocentric model does not and cannot work as described.

So, I have to wonder.  Why would you completely ignore you chance to burn the heliocentric model to the ground?

https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/5MCLE/5MKLE-214173.pdf

Mike
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Badxtoss on August 06, 2017, 04:51:40 PM
I apologize for the missing link but here it is.  All the equations, assumptions, data tables, paths of totality, etc. is contained in the document.

You may want to call it nonsense but it all works and is based on a spherical/celestial coordinate system.  It fits all past observations and accurately predicts future event for the next thousand years. 

BTW,  you can actually test this outside.  All you need is a ball, a piece of paper with a circle the same diameter as the ball, and a nice sunny day.  Try to fill the circle with the shadow of the ball.  Unless you put it in contact with the surface you can't do it.  You can actually calculate the shadow size based on the size of the moon, the size of the sun, and it's and it's distance from the earth.  It's not magic just simple math and a basic understanding of optics you can get from any high school text book. Umbra & Penumbra!  You can't change or ignore the laws physics just to suit your views.

https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/5MCLE/5MKLE-214173.pdf

Mike

It seems you Heliocentrics know no bounds when it come to defending your religion.

What absolute nonsense.


I hope this link helps you to understand how shadows work.

http://www.peachpit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=486505&seqNum=4

I hope this video helps you understand how shadows work.



As you will probobly have trouble comprehending that videoand the website I linked I will link this one that is for children.



You should pay particular attention to how the mandarins shadow increases in size the further it is moved away from the surface it's shadow is projected on.

Can you now please explain to me how the Moon can cast a shadow that is some 24 times smaller than itself.

According to the laws of physics this is impossible.

As your Heliocentric model doesn't match reality and true verified science it must be FALSE.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
I guess the laws of physics are different in your universe.  So you’re unable to refute anything I’ve posted so you’ll just throw up some youtube videos.  The first is all opinion and conjecture without a single support analytical method to, well...show anything.

The second video where child is being home schooled...interesting.  If you actually watched it you'd notice the shadow is smaller than the orange with a diffuse shadow area around the dark shadow.  Kinda like the description of the moon shadow.

I’ve provided you with a link to all the math and data.  All you had to do was show why it doesn’t work.

I provided you with an easy experiment.  One that, if you’re right should disprove, will disprove the moon shadow size so why are you afraid to try it?

You seem to just dismiss everything without even attempting to debunk it.  You provide links to other peoples junk science without citing any real physics or math in support.  Not much of an actual discussion.  What's factually incorrect with what I posted?  How about we start there.

Mike
You have claimed a great many things but you have shown nothing.
How about showing us how the eclipse works in your model?

You live in delusion.

The child's video debunked your home experiment.

I have explained numerous times how the earth's alleged angular velocity is greater than the Moon's alleged actual velocity.

I have explained how this can be verified as the Moon rises in the East everyday and sets in the west every day.

I have also explained that if the Moon's actual velocity was greater than the Earth's angular velocity that the moon would rise in the West and set in the East.

I have also explained that if this was the case the Moon would have to orbit the earth more than once a day not the 27 day orbit that your heliocentric model claims.

I have explained how the earth's rotational velocity does not determine what we see in the sky ;

I even gave an example that can be verified which was the north pole where the alleged rotational velocity is negligible the luminaries still do a full rotation everyday.

I have explained how shadows work .

I have given a child's video as an example to prove that it is impossible for any object to project a shadow that is 24 times smaller than itself on another object as the Moon allegedly will do on the 21.08.17 on your false heliocentric model regarding the upcoming solar eclispe.

I have explained how it is impossible for the moon to project it's shadow in the opposite direction to what it moves in the sky as the sun is relatively stationary to the earth so the moon's shadow will have to be directly under the moon as the eclispe is caused when the moon passes between the Sun and the Earth.

I have debunked your Globe model regarding the Solar Eclispe in every aspect possible.

You are not fooling anyone with your nonsense that goes against the laws of real verified physics and explanations and videos that contradict your heliocentric model.

The readers will make their own minds up.

All you and your brethren have to offer is contradictory videos and explanations in a desperate attempt to try and get your model to work.

It does not work.

The End.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 06, 2017, 05:01:46 PM
<snip>
All you and your brethren have to offer is contradictory videos and explanations in a desperate attempt to try and get your model to work.
<snip>
This statement is false.  AAMOF, I provided you with a link. 

A link that contained every assumption, data, and complete analytical solution to a heliocentric model of eclipses. 

A link that to a document that if debunked would be the Holy Grail to Flat Earth Theory. 

A chance to show that the heliocentric model does not and cannot work as described.

So, I have to wonder.  Why would you completely ignore you chance to burn the heliocentric model to the ground?

https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/5MCLE/5MKLE-214173.pdf

Mike

I already have burned your Heliocentric  model to the ground.

I have already debunked your heliocentric model.

It makes no difference to you Heliocentrics because you live a delusion.

To normal people it does make a difference .

After the upcoming solar eclipse don't be surprised when normal people will pass off everything your brethren say as fake news.

In the UK we have had various stories from the lesser newspapers regarding Alien life.

Guess what ?

Hardly anyone believes it apart from those weirdos who masterbate over NASA and the alleged  Moon landings ect.

Telling a Heliocentric such as yourself that the Globe doesn't exist is like telling a child Santa doesn't exist shortly after they have just sat on his knee.
 ;D

Personally from the reaction of some of your brethren when confronted with the flat earth I would say they know the truth.

The readers can try this for themselves just see how they react and your suspicions will be verified.

The trouble for you and your brethren is:

People are easy to read.

I personally find heliocentric's easier to read as they consider themselves superior and underestimate the intelligence of others.

This attitude is what got you and your brethren here in the first place.

To most normal people it is telling that you Heliocentric's have been systematically manipulated from an early age and are quite simply just robots programmed to take orders.


Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: MicroBeta on August 06, 2017, 05:10:30 PM
<snip>
All you and your brethren have to offer is contradictory videos and explanations in a desperate attempt to try and get your model to work.
<snip>
This statement is false.  AAMOF, I provided you with a link. 

A link that contained every assumption, data, and complete analytical solution to a heliocentric model of eclipses. 

A link that to a document that if debunked would be the Holy Grail to Flat Earth Theory. 

A chance to show that the heliocentric model does not and cannot work as described.

So, I have to wonder.  Why would you completely ignore you chance to burn the heliocentric model to the ground?

https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/5MCLE/5MKLE-214173.pdf

Mike

I already have burned your Heliocentric  model to the ground.

I have already debunked your heliocentric model.

It makes no difference to you Heliocentrics because you live a delusion.

To normal people it does make a difference .

After the upcoming solar eclipse don't be surprised when normal people will pass off everything your brethren say as fake news.

In the UK we have had various stories from the lesser newspapers regarding Alien life.

Guess what ?

Hardly anyone believes it apart from those weirdos who masterbate over NASA and the alleged  Moon landings ect.

Telling a Heliocentric such as yourself that the Globe doesn't exist is like telling a child Santa doesn't exist shortly after they have just sat on his knee.
 ;D

Personally from the reaction of some of your brethren when confronted with the flat earth I would say they know the truth.

The readers can try this for themselves just see how they react and your suspicions will be verified.

The trouble for you and your brethren is:

People are easy to read.

I personally find heliocentric's easier to read as they consider themselves superior and underestimate the intelligence of others.

This attitude is what got you and your brethren here in the first place.

To most normal people it is telling that you Heliocentric's have been systematically manipulated from an early age and are quite simply just robots programmed to take orders.


Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished.
You haven't burned anything to the ground.  I haven't seen a single concrete fact, no analytical model, not even an single equation.  Nothing the explains the observed solar/lunar eclipses.  All I have I've seen on the subject of eclipses is conjecture and assumption.  And, it seem to me that's all you bring to the discussion.

I liked to the complete analytical solution; something I'm pretty sure has been done before. I'm an engineer.  I believe in the math because it exactly matches past observations and has always accurately predicted eclipses time after time.

It also seems you have difficulty being civil in your discussions...just an observation.

Mike
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Zammo on August 06, 2017, 05:38:35 PM
<snip>
All you and your brethren have to offer is contradictory videos and explanations in a desperate attempt to try and get your model to work.
<snip>
This statement is false.  AAMOF, I provided you with a link. 

A link that contained every assumption, data, and complete analytical solution to a heliocentric model of eclipses. 

A link that to a document that if debunked would be the Holy Grail to Flat Earth Theory. 

A chance to show that the heliocentric model does not and cannot work as described.

So, I have to wonder.  Why would you completely ignore you chance to burn the heliocentric model to the ground?

https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/5MCLE/5MKLE-214173.pdf

Mike

I already have burned your Heliocentric  model to the ground.

I have already debunked your heliocentric model.

It makes no difference to you Heliocentrics because you live a delusion.

To normal people it does make a difference .

After the upcoming solar eclipse don't be surprised when normal people will pass off everything your brethren say as fake news.

In the UK we have had various stories from the lesser newspapers regarding Alien life.

Guess what ?

Hardly anyone believes it apart from those weirdos who masterbate over NASA and the alleged  Moon landings ect.

Telling a Heliocentric such as yourself that the Globe doesn't exist is like telling a child Santa doesn't exist shortly after they have just sat on his knee.
 ;D

Personally from the reaction of some of your brethren when confronted with the flat earth I would say they know the truth.

The readers can try this for themselves just see how they react and your suspicions will be verified.

The trouble for you and your brethren is:

People are easy to read.

I personally find heliocentric's easier to read as they consider themselves superior and underestimate the intelligence of others.

This attitude is what got you and your brethren here in the first place.

To most normal people it is telling that you Heliocentric's have been systematically manipulated from an early age and are quite simply just robots programmed to take orders.


Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished.

Hahaha!!! ;D ;D ;D

You've burned nothing and debunked squat. The only thing you've firmly proven this thread is that you lack the intellectual capacity to comprehend the difference between angular and linear velocities, and that you don't have the faintest idea what umbra and penumbra are.

The moon's movement and its shadow movement are predictable and make perfect sense on the heliocentric reality to those of us with brains. Stop wasting your time fool.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: markjo on August 06, 2017, 05:46:42 PM
I already have burned your Heliocentric  model to the ground.

I have already debunked your heliocentric model.
No, you have only debunked your alleged understanding of the heliocentric model.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 06, 2017, 06:01:18 PM
You Heliocentrics are fooling no one with your nonsense and contradictory explanations.

Here are the two videos.

I suggest you watch them again.  ;)






You Heliocentrics will never accept the truth .

The readers will make their own minds up.

The more you talk nonsense and contradict yourselves the weaker your model becomes.

Thank you for your help.

Keep up the good work!

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Zammo on August 06, 2017, 06:05:47 PM
You Heliocentrics are fooling no one with your nonsense and contradictory explanations.

Here are the two videos.

I suggest you watch them again.







Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Yeah, they're still crap and reveal all the same intellectual restrictions that afflict you.

Nope. The only shadow movement for the solar eclipse on the heliocentric reality that makes sense is West to East. It's both predictable and perfectly understandable to those with brains.

Your strange flattard religion is false.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 06, 2017, 06:08:09 PM
You Heliocentrics are fooling no one with your nonsense and contradictory explanations.

Here are the two videos.

I suggest you watch them again.







Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Yeah, they're still crap and reveal all the same intellectual restrictions that afflict you.

Nope. The only shadow movement on the heliocentric reality that makes sense is West to East. It's both predictable and perfectly understandable to those with brains.

Lol.

A shadow that moves in the opposite direction to the object casting it when the light source is stationary.

Carry on please.

Lol.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: MicroBeta on August 06, 2017, 06:11:10 PM
You Heliocentrics are fooling no one with your nonsense and contradictory explanations.

Here are the two videos.

I suggest you watch them again.  ;)






You Heliocentrics will never accept the truth .

The readers will make their own minds up.

The more you talk nonsense and contradict yourselves the weaker your model becomes.

Thank you for your help.

Keep up the good work!

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
So you got nothin'
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Zammo on August 06, 2017, 06:11:31 PM
You Heliocentrics are fooling no one with your nonsense and contradictory explanations.

Here are the two videos.

I suggest you watch them again.







Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Yeah, they're still crap and reveal all the same intellectual restrictions that afflict you.

Nope. The only shadow movement on the heliocentric reality that makes sense is West to East. It's both predictable and perfectly understandable to those with brains.

Lol.

A shadow that moves in the opposite direction to the object casting it when the light source is stationary.

Carry on please.

Lol.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Lol

Fool doesn't even know which direction the moon is moving in front of the sun.

 ;D ;D ;D

Lol
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 06, 2017, 06:17:54 PM
You Heliocentrics are fooling no one with your nonsense and contradictory explanations.

Here are the two videos.

I suggest you watch them again.







Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Yeah, they're still crap and reveal all the same intellectual restrictions that afflict you.

Nope. The only shadow movement on the heliocentric reality that makes sense is West to East. It's both predictable and perfectly understandable to those with brains.

Lol.

A shadow that moves in the opposite direction to the object casting it when the light source is stationary.

Carry on please.

Lol.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Lol

Fool doesn't even know which direction the moon is moving in front of the sun.

 ;D ;D ;D

Lol

What are you talking about?

The earth's angular velocity is 27 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity this is why the moon rises in the east and sets in the west.

The moon's shadow on the 21.08.17 solar eclispe will move west to east across the earth which is the opposite direction to the moon anyone can verify this no cgi needed.
 ;D

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: MicroBeta on August 06, 2017, 06:21:12 PM
You Heliocentrics are fooling no one with your nonsense and contradictory explanations.

Here are the two videos.

I suggest you watch them again.







Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Yeah, they're still crap and reveal all the same intellectual restrictions that afflict you.

Nope. The only shadow movement on the heliocentric reality that makes sense is West to East. It's both predictable and perfectly understandable to those with brains.

Lol.

A shadow that moves in the opposite direction to the object casting it when the light source is stationary.

Carry on please.

Lol.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Lol

Fool doesn't even know which direction the moon is moving in front of the sun.

 ;D ;D ;D

Lol
I tried to point that out earlier but he didn't seem to notice or maybe he didn't care.

Mike
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Zammo on August 06, 2017, 06:29:53 PM
You Heliocentrics are fooling no one with your nonsense and contradictory explanations.

Here are the two videos.

I suggest you watch them again.







Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Yeah, they're still crap and reveal all the same intellectual restrictions that afflict you.

Nope. The only shadow movement on the heliocentric reality that makes sense is West to East. It's both predictable and perfectly understandable to those with brains.

Lol.

A shadow that moves in the opposite direction to the object casting it when the light source is stationary.

Carry on please.

Lol.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Lol

Fool doesn't even know which direction the moon is moving in front of the sun.

 ;D ;D ;D

Lol

What are you talking about?

The earth's angular velocity is 27 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity this is why the moon rises in the east and sets in the west.

The moon's shadow on the 21.08.17 solar eclispe will move west to east across the earth which is the opposite direction to the moon anyone can verify this no cgi needed.
 ;D

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Yes, yes, yes, as you've repeated ad naseum this thread, constantly revealing you still can't get your little brain around the difference between the moon's angular velocity and its linear velocity and direction. 

Your strange flattard religion is false.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 06, 2017, 06:30:00 PM
You Heliocentrics are fooling no one with your nonsense and contradictory explanations.

Here are the two videos.

I suggest you watch them again.







Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Yeah, they're still crap and reveal all the same intellectual restrictions that afflict you.

Nope. The only shadow movement on the heliocentric reality that makes sense is West to East. It's both predictable and perfectly understandable to those with brains.

Lol.

A shadow that moves in the opposite direction to the object casting it when the light source is stationary.

Carry on please.

Lol.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Lol

Fool doesn't even know which direction the moon is moving in front of the sun.

 ;D ;D ;D

Lol
I tried to point that out earlier but he didn't seem to notice or maybe he didn't care.

Mike

You Heliocentrics are fooling no one with your nonsense and contradictory explanations.

Here are the two videos.

I suggest you watch them again.







Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Yeah, they're still crap and reveal all the same intellectual restrictions that afflict you.

Nope. The only shadow movement on the heliocentric reality that makes sense is West to East. It's both predictable and perfectly understandable to those with brains.

Lol.

A shadow that moves in the opposite direction to the object casting it when the light source is stationary.

Carry on please.

Lol.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Lol

Fool doesn't even know which direction the moon is moving in front of the sun.

 ;D ;D ;D

Lol

What are you talking about?

Are you trying to tell me the moon rises in the west and sets in the east.?

The earth's angular velocity is 27 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity this is why the moon rises in the east and sets in the west.

The moon's shadow on the 21.08.17 solar eclispe will move west to east across the earth which is the opposite direction to the moon anyone can verify this no cgi needed.
 ;D

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Zammo on August 06, 2017, 06:32:15 PM
You Heliocentrics are fooling no one with your nonsense and contradictory explanations.

Here are the two videos.

I suggest you watch them again.







Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Yeah, they're still crap and reveal all the same intellectual restrictions that afflict you.

Nope. The only shadow movement on the heliocentric reality that makes sense is West to East. It's both predictable and perfectly understandable to those with brains.

Lol.

A shadow that moves in the opposite direction to the object casting it when the light source is stationary.

Carry on please.

Lol.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Lol

Fool doesn't even know which direction the moon is moving in front of the sun.

 ;D ;D ;D

Lol
I tried to point that out earlier but he didn't seem to notice or maybe he didn't care.

Mike

He's absolutely lost. Just incapable of thinking in three dimensions. Must be why he can only imagine a flat earth!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 06, 2017, 06:35:40 PM
You Heliocentrics are fooling no one with your nonsense and contradictory explanations.

Here are the two videos.

I suggest you watch them again.







Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Yeah, they're still crap and reveal all the same intellectual restrictions that afflict you.

Nope. The only shadow movement on the heliocentric reality that makes sense is West to East. It's both predictable and perfectly understandable to those with brains.

Lol.

A shadow that moves in the opposite direction to the object casting it when the light source is stationary.

Carry on please.

Lol.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Lol

Fool doesn't even know which direction the moon is moving in front of the sun.

 ;D ;D ;D

Lol

What are you talking about?

The earth's angular velocity is 27 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity this is why the moon rises in the east and sets in the west.

The moon's shadow on the 21.08.17 solar eclispe will move west to east across the earth which is the opposite direction to the moon anyone can verify this no cgi needed.
 ;D

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Yes, yes, yes, as you've repeated as naseum this thread, constantly revealing you still can't get your little brain around the difference between the moon's angular velocity and its linear velocity and direction. 

Your strange flattard religion is false.

Stop talking nonsense.

Their is nothing to get my head around.

The moon takes 27 days to orbit the Earth.

FACT.

The moon rises and sets everyday.

The Earth's angular velocity is 27 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity.

This can be verified by watching the Moon rise in the east and set in the west.

It is impossible for the Moon to cast a shadow that is 24 times smaller than itself that travels in the opposite direction to itself.

It is you that can't understand the difference between angular velocity and actual velocity.

If the Moon's actual velocity is greater than the angular velocity of the earth then why does the moon rise in the east and set in the west is it magic.?

Lol.

Lol.

Thank you for your help  ;)

The End.

The videos again ;)





Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: MicroBeta on August 06, 2017, 06:39:53 PM
You Heliocentrics are fooling no one with your nonsense and contradictory explanations.

Here are the two videos.

I suggest you watch them again.







Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Yeah, they're still crap and reveal all the same intellectual restrictions that afflict you.

Nope. The only shadow movement on the heliocentric reality that makes sense is West to East. It's both predictable and perfectly understandable to those with brains.

Lol.

A shadow that moves in the opposite direction to the object casting it when the light source is stationary.

Carry on please.

Lol.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Lol

Fool doesn't even know which direction the moon is moving in front of the sun.

 ;D ;D ;D

Lol
I tried to point that out earlier but he didn't seem to notice or maybe he didn't care.

Mike

You Heliocentrics are fooling no one with your nonsense and contradictory explanations.

Here are the two videos.

I suggest you watch them again.







Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Yeah, they're still crap and reveal all the same intellectual restrictions that afflict you.

Nope. The only shadow movement on the heliocentric reality that makes sense is West to East. It's both predictable and perfectly understandable to those with brains.

Lol.

A shadow that moves in the opposite direction to the object casting it when the light source is stationary.

Carry on please.

Lol.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Lol

Fool doesn't even know which direction the moon is moving in front of the sun.

 ;D ;D ;D

Lol

What are you talking about?

Are you trying to tell me the moon rises in the west and sets in the east.?

The earth's angular velocity is 27 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity this is why the moon rises in the east and sets in the west.

The moon's shadow on the 21.08.17 solar eclispe will move west to east across the earth which is the opposite direction to the moon anyone can verify this no cgi needed.
 ;D

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Nope.  It rises in the east and sets in the west.  However, the moon orbits in the same direction as the rotation of the earth.

Mike
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Zammo on August 06, 2017, 06:46:24 PM
You Heliocentrics are fooling no one with your nonsense and contradictory explanations.

Here are the two videos.

I suggest you watch them again.







Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Yeah, they're still crap and reveal all the same intellectual restrictions that afflict you.

Nope. The only shadow movement on the heliocentric reality that makes sense is West to East. It's both predictable and perfectly understandable to those with brains.

Lol.

A shadow that moves in the opposite direction to the object casting it when the light source is stationary.

Carry on please.

Lol.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Lol

Fool doesn't even know which direction the moon is moving in front of the sun.

 ;D ;D ;D

Lol

What are you talking about?

The earth's angular velocity is 27 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity this is why the moon rises in the east and sets in the west.

The moon's shadow on the 21.08.17 solar eclispe will move west to east across the earth which is the opposite direction to the moon anyone can verify this no cgi needed.
 ;D

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Yes, yes, yes, as you've repeated as naseum this thread, constantly revealing you still can't get your little brain around the difference between the moon's angular velocity and its linear velocity and direction. 

Your strange flattard religion is false.

Stop talking nonsense.

Their is nothing to get my head around.

The moon takes 27 days to orbit the Earth.

FACT.

The moon rises and sets everyday.

The Earth's angular velocity is 27 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity.

This can be verified by watching the Moon rise in the east and set in the west.

It is impossible for the Moon to cast a shadow that is 24 times smaller than itself that travels in the opposite direction to itself.

It is you that can't understand the difference between angular velocity and actual velocity.

If the Moon's actual velocity is greater than the angular velocity of the earth then why does the moon rise in the east and set in the west is it magic.?

Lol.

Lol.

Thank you for your help  ;)

The End.

The videos again ;)





Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Repeating the same erroneous thinking over and over and over doesn't make your position more real. It simply reinforces your sheer stupidity. Over and over and over.  ;D ;D ;D

We've said it before, but here it is again for you to ignore. The earth's angular velocity is greater than the moon's angular velocity (you got that bit, and it's why the moon rises in the East and sets in the West). The moon's LINEAR velocity is greater than the LINEAR velocity of the earth's surface (the bit you don't get, and the explanation for why the moon's shadow moves from West to East)

Your strange flattard religion is false.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 06, 2017, 06:48:41 PM
You Heliocentrics are fooling no one with your nonsense and contradictory explanations.

Here are the two videos.

I suggest you watch them again.







Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Yeah, they're still crap and reveal all the same intellectual restrictions that afflict you.

Nope. The only shadow movement on the heliocentric reality that makes sense is West to East. It's both predictable and perfectly understandable to those with brains.

Lol.

A shadow that moves in the opposite direction to the object casting it when the light source is stationary.

Carry on please.

Lol.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Lol

Fool doesn't even know which direction the moon is moving in front of the sun.

 ;D ;D ;D

Lol
I tried to point that out earlier but he didn't seem to notice or maybe he didn't care.

Mike

You Heliocentrics are fooling no one with your nonsense and contradictory explanations.

Here are the two videos.

I suggest you watch them again.







Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Yeah, they're still crap and reveal all the same intellectual restrictions that afflict you.

Nope. The only shadow movement on the heliocentric reality that makes sense is West to East. It's both predictable and perfectly understandable to those with brains.

Lol.

A shadow that moves in the opposite direction to the object casting it when the light source is stationary.

Carry on please.

Lol.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Lol

Fool doesn't even know which direction the moon is moving in front of the sun.

 ;D ;D ;D

Lol

What are you talking about?

Are you trying to tell me the moon rises in the west and sets in the east.?

The earth's angular velocity is 27 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity this is why the moon rises in the east and sets in the west.

The moon's shadow on the 21.08.17 solar eclispe will move west to east across the earth which is the opposite direction to the moon anyone can verify this no cgi needed.
 ;D

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Nope.  It rises in the east and sets in the west.  However, the moon orbits in the same direction as the rotation of the earth.

Mike

Yes just as I have said in previous posts many times and your point is........


For the 1000 time it is because the earth's angular velocity is 27 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity that the Moon rises in the east and sets in the west.

And as I have said as the Moon's shadow will move across the Earth from west to east and the moon moves across the earth from east to west the moon's shadow moves in the opposite direction to the moon.

Are you struggling to understand your own model ?

Thank you keep up the good work.



You can believe what you want it doesn' bother me what you believe.
The readers are capable of making their own minds up.

 ;)






The End.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: rabinoz on August 06, 2017, 06:49:17 PM
That post was a joke  ::)
I was making fun at just how ridiculous your Heliocentric model is.

It is impossible for the Moon's shadow to move the opposite way to the Moon itself when the earth's angular velocity is allegedly 27 times greater than the Moon's alleged actual velocity.

It is impossible for any object to cast a shadow 24 times smaller than itself.
I cannot imagine anyone being so ignorant of the geometry of shadows you ever even think that!
Look at this diagram:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/ojc6vktk196cvgh/Shadow%20sizes.png?dl=1)
That should make it completely obvious that

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
Quote from: MicroBeta

This should help you figure out the direction the moon and it's shadow travel.  No magic just basic trigonometry and relative motion.
Flat Earth: Eclipse Special, Sly Sparkane (http://)
Further, see my previous post.  It will straighten out your misconceptions on the size of the moons shadow.

Mike
No, that video is nonsense and contradictory.
It claims the Earth's angular velocity is up to 79 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity.
I haven't found the bit where "It claims the Earth's angular velocity is up to 79 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity".
Would you please point out where it says that.
 
Nobody disputes that Earth's angular velocity is greater than the Moon's angular velocity, though on average by 29.5306 times.

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
Then at the end it claims the Moon's velocity is greater than the Earth's angular velocity using a video from NASA .
No it doesn't! You simply cannot compare the Moon's velocity with the Earth's angular velocity.
Velocity has the units distance/time or metres/secs, while angular velocity has the units angle/time or radians/sec.
So you are comparing quite different things - chalk and cheese.

What you must compare is the surface velocity of the earth where the eclipse will pass with the velocity of the moon's shadow.
And tangential (or surface velocity) = angular velocity (in radians/second) times the radius!

The radius of the earth at 40° latitude = cos(40°) x 6.366 x 106 = 4.876 x 106 m.
The angular velocity of the earth = (2 x π)/86400 = 7.272 x 10-5 radians/sec.
So the earth's surface velocity (in the middle of USA) is  4.876 x 106 x 7.272 x 10-5  = 356 m/s.

The radius of the moon's orbit averages 3.850 x 1008 m.
So angular velocity of the moon afound its orbit is (earths angular velocity/29.5306) = 2.463 x 10-6 radians/sec.
And the orbital velocity of the moon is  3.850 x 1008 x 2.463 x 10-6  = 948 m/s.

So even though the moon's angular velocity is much less than the angular velocity of the earth,
the moon's orbital velocity is somewhat more than the surface velocity of the earth.

The moon's shadow travels very slightly faster (about 0.25%) than the moon's orbital velocity.
And the speed of the shadow from west to east is just the shadow's velocity less the surface velocity of the earth.

Exactly as everyone, except Mr Ignorance.is.Wonderful now seems to understand.
 
Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
Everyone can verify that the earth's angular velocity is greater than the Moon's actual velocity as the Moon rises in the East and sets in the west every day.
You cannot compare angular velocity with actual velocity - they are "different animals"!
When the moon rises, where it appears in the sky and when it sets all depend on the relative angular velocities.
But the moon's shadow is cast from the distant sun from the moon moving at 3413 km/hr.

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
Most people can verify that the Earth's actual rotational velocity does not determine what we see in the sky as in the north pole where the rotational velocity is negligible on your heliocentric model;  the moon the sun and the stars still do a full rotation " EVERY DAY "
Are you daft? It is the angular velocity that determines what we see "in the sky", but the moon's shadow is not something that is seen "in the sky"!

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
Your Heliocentric model does not match reality and as such is FALSE.
So the Heliocentric Globe fits precisely what we see in reality!

Now, where is this detailed flat earth explanation of the solar eclipse, explaining just how an umbra up to 494 km across can be caused by a 50 km diameter sun and a 50 km diameter moon?

Bye bye - go and dream about you imaginary neo-Flat Earthism Religion, because that's all it is - a dream!

Then I noticed youe later post:
For the 1000 time it is because the earth's angular velocity is 27 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity that the Moon rises in the east and sets in the west.
NO! You simply cannot compare the earth's angular velocity with Moon's actual velocity - it is totally meaningless!

The earth's angular velocity is about 27 (29 if relative to the sun) times Moon's angular velocity.

Until you can understand the difference you will remain floundering and totally confused - even if you aren't smart enough to realise it.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 06, 2017, 06:59:50 PM
That post was a joke  ::)
I was making fun at just how ridiculous your Heliocentric model is.

It is impossible for the Moon's shadow to move the opposite way to the Moon itself when the earth's angular velocity is allegedly 27 times greater than the Moon's alleged actual velocity.

It is impossible for any object to cast a shadow 24 times smaller than itself.
I cannot imagine anyone being so ignorant of the geometry of shadows you ever even think that!
Look at this diagram:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/ojc6vktk196cvgh/Shadow%20sizes.png?dl=1)
That should make it completely obvious that
  • if the light source size is greater than the size of the object, then the umbra is smaller than the size of your object,
  • if the light source size is equal in size to the object, then the umbra is equal in size to the object and
  • if the light source size is less than the size of the object, then the umbra is greater than the size of the object.

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
Quote from: MicroBeta

This should help you figure out the direction the moon and it's shadow travel.  No magic just basic trigonometry and relative motion.
Flat Earth: Eclipse Special, Sly Sparkane (http://)
Further, see my previous post.  It will straighten out your misconceptions on the size of the moons shadow.

Mike
No, that video is nonsense and contradictory.
It claims the Earth's angular velocity is up to 79 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity.
I haven't found the bit where "It claims the Earth's angular velocity is up to 79 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity".
Would you please point out where it says that.
 
Nobody disputes that Earth's angular velocity is greater than the Moon's angular velocity, though on average by 29.5306 times.

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
Then at the end it claims the Moon's velocity is greater than the Earth's angular velocity using a video from NASA .
No it doesn't! You simply cannot compare the Moon's velocity with the Earth's angular velocity.
Velocity has the units distance/time or metres/secs, while angular velocity has the units angle/time or radians/sec.
So you are comparing quite different things - chalk and cheese.

What you must compare is the surface velocity of the earth where the eclipse will pass with the velocity of the moon's shadow.
And tangential (or surface velocity) = angular velocity (in radians/second) times the radius!

The radius of the earth at 40° latitude = cos(40°) x 6.366 x 106 = 4.876 x 106 m.
The angular velocity of the earth = (2 x π)/86400 = 7.272 x 10-5 radians/sec.
So the earth's surface velocity (in the middle of USA) is  4.876 x 106 x 7.272 x 10-5  = 356 m/s.

The radius of the moon's orbit averages 3.850 x 1008 m.
So angular velocity of the moon afound its orbit is (earths angular velocity/29.5306) = 2.463 x 10-6 radians/sec.
And the orbital velocity of the moon is  3.850 x 1008 x 2.463 x 10-6  = 948 m/s.

So even though the moon's angular velocity is much less than the angular velocity of the earth,
the moon's orbital velocity is somewhat more than the surface velocity of the earth.

The moon's shadow travels very slightly faster (about 0.25%) than the moon's orbital velocity.
And the speed of the shadow from west to east is just the shadow's velocity less the surface velocity of the earth.

Exactly as everyone, except Mr Ignorance.is.Wonderful now seems to understand.
 
Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
Everyone can verify that the earth's angular velocity is greater than the Moon's actual velocity as the Moon rises in the East and sets in the west every day.
You cannot compare angular velocity with actual velocity - they are "different animals"!
When the moon rises, where it appears in the sky and when it sets all depend on the relative angular velocities.
But the moon's shadow is cast from the distant sun from the moon moving at 3413 km/hr.

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
Most people can verify that the Earth's actual rotational velocity does not determine what we see in the sky as in the north pole where the rotational velocity is negligible on your heliocentric model;  the moon the sun and the stars still do a full rotation " EVERY DAY "
Are you daft? It is the angular velocity that determines what we see "in the sky", but the moon's shadow is not something that is seen "in the sky"!

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
Your Heliocentric model does not match reality and as such is FALSE.
So the Heliocentric Globe fits precisely what we see in reality!

Now, where is this detailed flat earth explanation of the solar eclipse, explaining just how an umbra up to 494 km across can be caused by a 50 km diameter sun and a 50 km diameter moon?

Bye bye - go and dream about you imaginary neo-Flat Earthism Religion, because that's all it is - a dream!
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What a load of nonsense a shadow is caused by the object blocking the light not the light itself.

As I have said the rotational velocity does not determine what we see in the sky.

For example at the north pole where the rotational velocity is negligible the Sun Moon and Stars do a full rotation every day this is due to the angular velocity so your explanation is nonsense.

Light travels in straight lines the moon's shadow will be directly below the moon as a solar eclipses occurs when the Moon passes between the Sun and the Earth on your model so the light source the sun is directly behind the moon and the earth is directly in front.

Your fooling no one .

Didn't think you was stupid enough to get involved in this one.

Your reputation will not recover from this  ;)






Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is finished.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: MicroBeta on August 06, 2017, 07:03:22 PM
Yes just as I have said in previous posts many times and your point is........


For the 1000 time it is because the earth's angular velocity is 27 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity that the Moon rises in the east and sets in the west.

And as I have said as the Moon's shadow will move across the Earth from west to east and the moon moves across the earth from east to west the moon's shadow moves in the opposite direction to the moon.

Are you struggling to understand your own model ?

Thank you keep up the good work.



You can believe what you want it doesn' bother me what you believe.
The readers are capable of making their own minds up.

 ;)






The End.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
You have an issue with scale.  None of that matters.  You haven't shown anybody what's wrong with their info and haven't pro.....oh bother
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 06, 2017, 07:09:38 PM
Yes just as I have said in previous posts many times and your point is........


For the 1000 time it is because the earth's angular velocity is 27 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity that the Moon rises in the east and sets in the west.

And as I have said as the Moon's shadow will move across the Earth from west to east and the moon moves across the earth from east to west the moon's shadow moves in the opposite direction to the moon.

Are you struggling to understand your own model ?

Thank you keep up the good work.



You can believe what you want it doesn' bother me what you believe.
The readers are capable of making their own minds up.

 ;)






The End.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
You have an issue with scale.  None of that matters.  You haven't shown anybody what's wrong with their info and haven't pro.....oh bother

Believe what you want the readers will decide for themselves.






Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: markjo on August 06, 2017, 07:10:09 PM
The earth's angular velocity is 27 times greater than the angular velocity of the Moon's actual velocity angular velocity around the earth, this is why the moon rises in the east and sets in the west.
Fixed that for you.

The moon's shadow on the 21.08.17 solar eclispe will move west to east across the earth which is the opposite direction to the moon anyone can verify this no cgi needed.
 ;D
The earth rotates at 1000 mph and the moon orbits the earth at 2300 mph.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Your understanding of the heliocentric model is flawed.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 06, 2017, 07:21:07 PM
The earth's angular velocity is 27 times greater than the angular velocity of the Moon's actual velocity angular velocity around the earth, this is why the moon rises in the east and sets in the west.
Fixed that for you.

The moon's shadow on the 21.08.17 solar eclispe will move west to east across the earth which is the opposite direction to the moon anyone can verify this no cgi needed.
 ;D
The earth rotates at 1000 mph and the moon orbits the earth at 2300 mph.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Your understanding of the heliocentric model is flawed.

The moon on your model is 200000 miles away so its actual velocity is irrelevant.

Tho only thing that determines what we see in the sky on the Heliocentric model is the Earth's angular velocity.

Are you claiming the moon rises in the west and sets in the east because the moon's actual velocity is greater than the rotational velocity of the Earth.

If not what is your point?





Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: markjo on August 06, 2017, 07:36:54 PM
The moon on your model is 200000 miles away so its actual velocity is irrelevant.
Incorrect.  The actual velocity and angular velocity are intimately related.

Tho only thing that determines what we see in the sky on the Heliocentric model is the Earth's angular velocity.
Except that the moon's shadow is being projected onto the earth, so what we see in the sky isn't necessarily relevant.

Are you claiming the moon rises in the west and sets in the east because the moon's actual velocity is greater than the rotational velocity of the Earth.
No, that isn't what I'm claiming. 

If not what is your point?
My point is that some aspects of heliocentricity seem counter-intuitive, and this is one of them.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: The Earth is a Pyramid on August 06, 2017, 07:40:42 PM
pretty ironic, considering that this eclipse was predicted using the heliocentric model of the universe -__-
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Alpha2Omega on August 06, 2017, 08:37:59 PM
The conclusion is No No and No your heliocentric model is ridiculous and doesn't match reality.

No, it's much simpler than that. Your understanding doesn't match reality.

That post was a joke  ::)

With your posts, who can tell? It seems like they all are.

Quote
I was making fun at just how ridiculous your Heliocentric model is.

It is impossible for the Moon's shadow to move the opposite way to the Moon itself when the earth's angular velocity is allegedly 27 times greater than the Moon's alleged actual velocity.

Lol. You're joking again, right?

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It is impossible for any object to cast a shadow 24 times smaller than itself.

THE END.

You must be joking.

See?
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 06, 2017, 09:07:33 PM
Pappa Legba?
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: rabinoz on August 06, 2017, 10:03:28 PM
The moon on your model is 200000 miles away so its actual velocity is irrelevant.
Incorrect, the moon is not "200000 miles away " and Incorrect, "its actual velocity is" completely relevant.

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
Tho only thing that determines what we see in the sky on the Heliocentric model is the Earth's angular velocity.
Totally incorrect again! It is the velocity of the shadow and the surface velocity of the earth that determine the apparent movement of the umbra shadow.

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
Are you claiming the moon rises in the west and sets in the east because the moon's actual velocity is greater than the rotational velocity of the Earth.
No ,the moon rises in the east and sets in the west because the moon's angular velocity is less than the angular velocity of the Earth.
It's so simple a child can understand it, but apparently not Mr Ignorance.is.Wonderful!

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
If not what is your point?
The point is to try to hammer into your head that
It is the velocity of the shadow and the surface velocity of the earth that determine the apparent movement of the umbra shadow.

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
<< We've seen that rubbish too many times, thanks!  >>
Those videos have been proven wrong numerous times but you will listen to no-one other than your
High Priests of this stupid neo-Flat Earthism is Religion.
You have proven over and over that your simply are not capable of any thoughts of own, outside your indoctrination.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Super Shill on August 06, 2017, 10:13:30 PM
Why do you even argue with these trolls?
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: rabinoz on August 06, 2017, 10:37:06 PM
Why do you even argue with these trolls?
:D :D :D And you don't like poking sticks into hornets nests?  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 06, 2017, 11:15:07 PM
The moon on your model is 200000 miles away so its actual velocity is irrelevant.
Incorrect, the moon is not "200000 miles away " and Incorrect, "its actual velocity is" completely relevant.

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
Tho only thing that determines what we see in the sky on the Heliocentric model is the Earth's angular velocity.
Totally incorrect again! It is the velocity of the shadow and the surface velocity of the earth that determine the apparent movement of the umbra shadow.

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
Are you claiming the moon rises in the west and sets in the east because the moon's actual velocity is greater than the rotational velocity of the Earth.
No ,the moon rises in the east and sets in the west because the moon's angular velocity is less than the angular velocity of the Earth.
It's so simple a child can understand it, but apparently not Mr Ignorance.is.Wonderful!

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
If not what is your point?
The point is to try to hammer into your head that
It is the velocity of the shadow and the surface velocity of the earth that determine the apparent movement of the umbra shadow.

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
<< We've seen that rubbish too many times, thanks!  >>
Those videos have been proven wrong numerous times but you will listen to no-one other than your
High Priests of this stupid neo-Flat Earthism is Religion.
You have proven over and over that your simply are not capable of any thoughts of own, outside your indoctrination.

Shadow velocity.

Lol

Lol.

The Moon's shadow will fall directly in front of the Moon as the Sun is stationary and directly behind the Moon.

Light travels in straight lines.

You are fooling no one with your heliocentric nonsense.

It is impossible for the path of the solar eclipse to move in completely the opposite direction to the moon.

The moon rises in the East and sets in th west.

The Solar Eclipse starts in the west and finishes if the East.

The Earth's angular velocity which Is one rotation every 24 hrs is 27 times faster than the Moon's velocity.

This is why the moon allegedly rises in the east and sets in the west.

If the Moon's velocity was greater than the angular velocity of the earth the Moon would rise in the West and set in the East it would also have to orbit the earth more than once every 24 hours to achieve this.

Here is a description of a solar eclipse on your model.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse

It clearly says the eclipse is caused when the moon passes in front of the sun.

The moon takes 27 days to orbit the earth.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon

On your model the Sun is stationary regarding it's position to the earth and the moon

.http://kidseclipse.com/sun-earth-moon-move/

I choose this link so you Stupid and gullable Heliocentric's can try to understand how and why the upcoming Solar Eclipse is impossible on your model.

It is impossible for an objects shadow to move in the opposite direction to the said object when the light source is stationary.

The only way this would be possible on your model would be if the Sun was moving millions of miles in relation to the earth and did not maintain it's alleged position in the centre of the solar system.

https://www.quora.com/Is-the-sun-the-center-of-the-solar-system-Why



So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Solar Eclipse to move across the Earth west to East which is the opposite direction to the moon on your Heliocentric model.

Your Heliocentric model does not match reality as such your Heliocentric model is false.

Part one



Part two





Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: MouseWalker on August 07, 2017, 12:16:57 AM
The apparent motion of all solar objects, sun, moon, planets, and stars; Is due to the rotation of earth.
There are other motions to be considered.
1) All the planets orbit around the sun, Earth being one of them.
2) The moon orbiting the Earth in a counterclockwise motion.
3) The Earth rotation in a counterclockwise rotation.
The counter clockwise rotation of Earth Is why we have the appearance of the sun and moon rising in the east. When you compare the motion of the Sun and Moon, you will see that the moon moves from west to east, you ask how was this? Pick a time, anytime, Mark the Moon location, in 24 hours, once again mark the Moon location, repeat the process; and you will note the moon moves from west to east on a daily basis. With a waning moon, it will be seen during the day,  coming close to a new moon,  the solar eclipse, happens at the new moon. with the moon moving from west to east, for that short time the shadow crosses the earth, as the moon moves to the east.  the rotation of the earth,  only changes the time and location of where the shadow is cast.  This is the results of all the numbers,  that have been stated before and elsewhere,  if I were to try to put the numbers in they just would  cloud the issue.
In 14 days  this eclipse  will be over, and its motion will be seen as predicted, proving that the earth is a globe.  and I am sure that you will be able to find  a live broadcast,  on TV, cable or the Internet.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: 29silhouette on August 07, 2017, 12:55:00 AM


So I will tell you again it is impossible ................

What is your obsession with using angular velocity for Earth's rotation, and orbital velocity for moon's orbit?  Earth rotates a little over a thousand mph at the equator.  Less at the latitude the eclipse will be viewed at.  The moon orbits at a little over 2000mph.  So guess what speed the shadow moves across the surface.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: MicroBeta on August 07, 2017, 01:56:24 AM
Thanks for posting vids RIF. How about you REtards explain why the the moon is casting such a small shadow during the eclipse.
That's easy to explain.  And you can test it in your own backyard.  Take a ball outside, draw a circle of the same diameter as the ball on anything, and try to get that shadow to fit into that circle.

Further, this link has all the data tables and equations that accurately predict eclipses for the next thousand years.  It will predict the path and width of totality.  If you could debunk this you'd have all the ammo you need.

Mike

More of your nonsense  ::)

It is impossible for an objects shadow to be 24 times smaller than the object.

Your Heliocentric model is even more ridiculous because the Moon is 200000 miles away from the Earth on your heliocentric model.

How does an object 200000 miles away cast a shadow that is some 24 times smaller than itself.

Lol......

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
I apologize for the missing link but here it is.  All the equations, assumptions, data tables, paths of totality, etc. is contained in the document.

You may want to call it nonsense but it all works and is based on a spherical/celestial coordinate system.  It fits all past observations and accurately predicts future event for the next thousand years. 

BTW,  you can actually test this outside.  All you need is a ball, a piece of paper with a circle the same diameter as the ball, and a nice sunny day.  Try to fill the circle with the shadow of the ball.  Unless you put it in contact with the surface you can't do it.  You can actually calculate the shadow size based on the size of the moon, the size of the sun, and it's and it's distance from the earth.  It's not magic just simple math and a basic understanding of optics you can get from any high school text book. Umbra & Penumbra!  You can't change or ignore the laws physics just to suit your views.

https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/5MCLE/5MKLE-214173.pdf

Mike

It seems you Heliocentrics know no bounds when it come to defending your religion.

What absolute nonsense.


I hope this link helps you to understand how shadows work.

http://www.peachpit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=486505&seqNum=4


I hope this video helps you understand how shadows work.



As you will probobly have trouble comprehending that videoand the website I linked I will link this one that is for children.



You should pay particular attention to how the mandarins shadow increases in size the further it is moved away from the surface it's shadow is projected on.

Can you now please explain to me how the Moon can cast a shadow that is some 24 times smaller than itself.

According to the laws of physics this is impossible.

As your Heliocentric model doesn't match reality and true verified science it must be FALSE.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
If you have all the answers then you should easily be able to show what exactly is "nonsense" with my link...or don't you actually know?

Mike
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: rabinoz on August 07, 2017, 02:10:29 AM
It is impossible for an objects shadow to move in the opposite direction to the said object when the light source is stationary.
Maybe it is, but the shadow does move in the same direction as the moon moves, west to east.
But, the moon's appearing to rise in the east
          is because the earth's angular velocity (one revolution per day, relative to the sun)
          is greater the moon's angular velocity (one revolution per 29.531 days, relative to the sun).

Quote from: Ignorance.is.Bliss
The only way this would be possible on your model would be if the Sun was moving millions of miles in relation to the earth and did not maintain it's alleged position in the centre of the solar system.
Incorrect!

Quote from: Ignorance.is.Bliss
https://www.quora.com/Is-the-sun-the-center-of-the-solar-system-Why
:D :D No problem!  :D :D

Quote from: Ignorance.is.Bliss
So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Solar Eclipse to move across the Earth west to East which is the opposite direction to the moon on your Heliocentric model.
Tell me as many times as you like and you'll be still just as wrong!

Quote from: Ignorance.is.Bliss
Your Heliocentric model does not match reality as such your Heliocentric model is false.
Nope! The (not my) Heliocentric Globe fits the observations very well, thank you.

Quote from: Ignorance.is.Bliss
<<< Stop repeating that rubbish! An oft repeated untruth is still just as untrue! >>>
It's quite hilarious that you, Mr Ignorance.is.Bliss can't understand something as simple as this,
when everyone else, incudling dutchy and jeranism seem to find the explanation quite reasonable.

Everybody has done their best to explain this to you, so if you can't understand it yet, you only have yourself to blame.

But, please, oh please, never decide that you think that the Heliocentric Globe is correct, it couldn't take it and would fall flat!
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 07, 2017, 02:30:13 AM
It is impossible for an objects shadow to move in the opposite direction to the said object when the light source is stationary.
Maybe it is, but the shadow does move in the same direction as the moon moves, west to east.
But, the moon's appearing to rise in the east
          is because the earth's angular velocity (one revolution per day, relative to the sun)
          is greater the moon's angular velocity (one revolution per 29.531 days, relative to the sun).

Quote from: Ignorance.is.Bliss
The only way this would be possible on your model would be if the Sun was moving millions of miles in relation to the earth and did not maintain it's alleged position in the centre of the solar system.
Incorrect!

Quote from: Ignorance.is.Bliss
https://www.quora.com/Is-the-sun-the-center-of-the-solar-system-Why
:D :D No problem!  :D :D

Quote from: Ignorance.is.Bliss
So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Solar Eclipse to move across the Earth west to East which is the opposite direction to the moon on your Heliocentric model.
Tell me as many times as you like and you'll be still just as wrong!

Quote from: Ignorance.is.Bliss
Your Heliocentric model does not match reality as such your Heliocentric model is false.
Nope! The (not my) Heliocentric Globe fits the observations very well, thank you.

Quote from: Ignorance.is.Bliss
<<< Stop repeating that rubbish! An oft repeated untruth is still just as untrue! >>>
It's quite hilarious that you, Mr Ignorance.is.Bliss can't understand something as simple as this,
when everyone else, incudling dutchy and jeranism seem to find the explanation quite reasonable.

Everybody has done their best to explain this to you, so if you can't understand it yet, you only have yourself to blame.

But, please, oh please, never decide that you think that the Heliocentric Globe is correct, it couldn't take it and would fall flat!

You are getting confused with Moon's actual velocity and angular velocity .

The angular velocity of the Moon is irrelevant regarding the Solar Eclipse.

Light travels in straight lines .

The Eclispe is caused by the moon passing between the sun and the earth.

The Sun has to be directly behind the Moon and the Earth has to be directly in front of the Moon.

An object shadow will follow the object when the light source is directly behind it.

You are now claiming the Moon moves in the opposite direction to what is observed this would be the only possible way that the Moon's shadow can move west to East when the light source which is the Sun is directly behind it.

http://www.livephysics.com/physical-constants/mechanics-pc/angular-speed-earth/

You are fooling no one with your heliocentric nonsense.

It is impossible for the path of the solar eclipse to move in completely the opposite direction to the moon.

The moon rises in the East and sets in th west.

The Solar Eclipse starts in the west and finishes if the East.

The Earth's angular velocity which Is one rotation every 24 hrs is 27 times faster than the Moon's velocity.

This is why the moon allegedly rises in the east and sets in the west.

If the Moon's velocity was greater than the angular velocity of the earth the Moon would rise in the West and set in the East it would also have to orbit the earth more than once every 24 hours to achieve this.

Here is a description of a solar eclipse on your model.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse

It clearly says the eclipse is caused when the moon passes in front of the sun.

The moon takes 27 days to orbit the earth.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon

On your model the Sun is stationary regarding it's position to the earth and the moon

.http://kidseclipse.com/sun-earth-moon-move/

I choose this link so you Stupid and gullable Heliocentric's can try to understand how and why the upcoming Solar Eclipse is impossible on your model.

It is impossible for an objects shadow to move in the opposite direction to the said object when the light source is stationary.

The only way this would be possible on your model would be if the Sun was moving millions of miles in relation to the earth and did not maintain it's alleged position in the centre of the solar system.

https://www.quora.com/Is-the-sun-the-center-of-the-solar-system-Why

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Moon to cast a shadow on the Earth that is 24 times smaller than itself.

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Solar Eclipse to move across the Earth west to East which is the opposite direction to the moon on your Heliocentric model.

Your Heliocentric model does not match reality as such your Heliocentric model is false.

Part one



Part two




The readers will make their own minds up ;)

Your Heliocentric model is as old and tired as you Rab.

Lol.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: onebigmonkey on August 07, 2017, 02:52:31 AM
Given that the prediction of a solar eclipse is supposedly impossible using the heliocentric model and a spherical earth and moon it's pretty amazing that they are predicted with incredible accuracy using exactly that model.

And once again, the moon's shadow is not 24 times smaller, it is exactly the right size, and you've even had pretty pictures illustrating why.

Your inability to use a signature is irritating.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: rabinoz on August 07, 2017, 03:48:17 AM

The readers will make their own minds up ;)

Yes, they will, won't they Mr Ignorance.is.Bliss, but I haven't see too many rushing to you aid.

Now, I assume that you have a perfect flat earth theory explaning solar eclipse.

So please, if you wish to retain a trace of credibility, you will immediately present your perfect flat earth theory of solar eclipses.

Bye bye, I do hope that you enjoy living in such ignorance, following all you are taught by your High Priests of neo-Flat Earthism Religion
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 07, 2017, 05:21:02 AM
Given that the prediction of a solar eclipse is supposedly impossible using the heliocentric model and a spherical earth and moon it's pretty amazing that they are predicted with incredible accuracy using exactly that model.

And once again, the moon's shadow is not 24 times smaller, it is exactly the right size, and you've even had pretty pictures illustrating why.

Your inability to use a signature is irritating.

No incorrect

The moon's shadow will only be 70 miles wide on the 21.08.17 Solar Eclipse.

It should be at least 2400 miles wide.



Light travels in straight lines .

The Eclispe is caused by the moon passing between the sun and the earth.

The Sun has to be directly behind the Moon and the Earth has to be directly in front of the Moon.

An object shadow will follow the object when the light source is directly behind it.

You are now claiming the Moon moves in the opposite direction to what is observed this would be the only possible way that the Moon's shadow can move west to East when the light source which is the Sun is directly behind it.

http://www.livephysics.com/physical-constants/mechanics-pc/angular-speed-earth/

You are fooling no one with your heliocentric nonsense.

It is impossible for the path of the solar eclipse to move in completely the opposite direction to the moon.

The moon rises in the East and sets in th west.

The Solar Eclipse starts in the west and finishes if the East.

The Earth's angular velocity which Is one rotation every 24 hrs is 27 times faster than the Moon's velocity.

This is why the moon allegedly rises in the east and sets in the west.

If the Moon's velocity was greater than the angular velocity of the earth the Moon would rise in the West and set in the East it would also have to orbit the earth more than once every 24 hours to achieve this.

Here is a description of a solar eclipse on your model.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse

It clearly says the eclipse is caused when the moon passes in front of the sun.

The moon takes 27 days to orbit the earth.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon

On your model the Sun is stationary regarding it's position to the earth and the moon

.http://kidseclipse.com/sun-earth-moon-move/

I choose this link so you Stupid and gullable Heliocentric's can try to understand how and why the upcoming Solar Eclipse is impossible on your model.

It is impossible for an objects shadow to move in the opposite direction to the said object when the light source is stationary.

The only way this would be possible on your model would be if the Sun was moving millions of miles in relation to the earth and did not maintain it's alleged position in the centre of the solar system. 

https://www.quora.com/Is-the-sun-the-center-of-the-solar-system-Why

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Moon to cast a shadow on the Earth that is 24 times smaller than itself. 

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Solar Eclipse to move across the Earth west to East which is the opposite direction to the moon on your Heliocentric model.

Your Heliocentric model does not match reality as such your Heliocentric model is false.

Part one 



Part two




The readers will make their own minds up .

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: rabinoz on August 07, 2017, 05:30:31 AM
Given that the prediction of a solar eclipse is supposedly impossible using the heliocentric model and a spherical earth and moon it's pretty amazing that they are predicted with incredible accuracy using exactly that model.

And once again, the moon's shadow is not 24 times smaller, it is exactly the right size, and you've even had pretty pictures illustrating why.

Your inability to use a signature is irritating.

The readers will make their own minds up ;)

Yes, they will, won't they Mr Ignorance.is.Bliss, but I haven't see too many rushing to you aid.

Now, I assume that you have a perfect flat earth theory explaining solar eclipse.

So please, if you wish to retain a trace of credibility,
you will immediately present your perfect flat earth theory of solar eclipses.
Or you will have proved yourself a total hypocrit!

Bye bye, I do hope that you enjoy living in such ignorance, following all you are taught by your High Priests of neo-Flat Earthism Religion
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: markjo on August 07, 2017, 05:38:07 AM
So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Solar Eclipse to move across the Earth west to East which is the opposite direction to the moon on your Heliocentric model.
Actually, the moon is orbiting the earth from west to east. 

The reason that it appears to orbit from east to west is, as you keep pointing out, because the earth rotates 27 times faster than the moon.

Remember how I said that some parts of heliocentricity seem counterintuitive?
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Badxtoss on August 07, 2017, 06:39:52 AM
Given that the prediction of a solar eclipse is supposedly impossible using the heliocentric model and a spherical earth and moon it's pretty amazing that they are predicted with incredible accuracy using exactly that model.

And once again, the moon's shadow is not 24 times smaller, it is exactly the right size, and you've even had pretty pictures illustrating why.

Your inability to use a signature is irritating.

No incorrect

The moon's shadow will only be 70 miles wide on the 21.08.17 Solar Eclipse.

It should be at least 2400 miles wide.



Light travels in straight lines .

The Eclispe is caused by the moon passing between the sun and the earth.

The Sun has to be directly behind the Moon and the Earth has to be directly in front of the Moon.

An object shadow will follow the object when the light source is directly behind it.

You are now claiming the Moon moves in the opposite direction to what is observed this would be the only possible way that the Moon's shadow can move west to East when the light source which is the Sun is directly behind it.

http://www.livephysics.com/physical-constants/mechanics-pc/angular-speed-earth/

You are fooling no one with your heliocentric nonsense.

It is impossible for the path of the solar eclipse to move in completely the opposite direction to the moon.

The moon rises in the East and sets in th west.

The Solar Eclipse starts in the west and finishes if the East.

The Earth's angular velocity which Is one rotation every 24 hrs is 27 times faster than the Moon's velocity.

This is why the moon allegedly rises in the east and sets in the west.

If the Moon's velocity was greater than the angular velocity of the earth the Moon would rise in the West and set in the East it would also have to orbit the earth more than once every 24 hours to achieve this.

Here is a description of a solar eclipse on your model.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse

It clearly says the eclipse is caused when the moon passes in front of the sun.

The moon takes 27 days to orbit the earth.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon

On your model the Sun is stationary regarding it's position to the earth and the moon

.http://kidseclipse.com/sun-earth-moon-move/

I choose this link so you Stupid and gullable Heliocentric's can try to understand how and why the upcoming Solar Eclipse is impossible on your model.

It is impossible for an objects shadow to move in the opposite direction to the said object when the light source is stationary.

The only way this would be possible on your model would be if the Sun was moving millions of miles in relation to the earth and did not maintain it's alleged position in the centre of the solar system.

https://www.quora.com/Is-the-sun-the-center-of-the-solar-system-Why

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Moon to cast a shadow on the Earth that is 24 times smaller than itself.

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Solar Eclipse to move across the Earth west to East which is the opposite direction to the moon on your Heliocentric model.

Your Heliocentric model does not match reality as such your Heliocentric model is false.

Part one



Part two




The readers will make their own minds up .

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Still explaination of how it could work on a flat earth.  Why is that?
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: MouseWalker on August 07, 2017, 07:10:03 AM
The apparent motion of all solar objects, sun, moon, planets, and stars; Is due to the rotation of earth.
There are other motions to be considered.
1) All the planets orbit around the sun, Earth being one of them.
2) The moon orbiting the Earth in a counterclockwise motion.
3) The Earth rotation in a counterclockwise rotation.
The counter clockwise rotation of Earth Is why we have the appearance of the sun and moon rising in the east. When you compare the motion of the Sun and Moon, you will see that the moon moves from west to east, you ask how was this? Pick a time, anytime, Mark the Moon location, in 24 hours, once again mark the Moon location, repeat the process; and you will note the moon moves from west to east on a daily basis. With a waning moon, it will be seen during the day,  coming close to a new moon,  the solar eclipse, happens at the new moon. with the moon moving from west to east, for that short time the shadow crosses the earth, as the moon moves to the east.  the rotation of the earth,  only changes the time and location of where the shadow is cast.  This is the results of all the numbers,  that have been stated before and elsewhere,  if I were to try to put the numbers in they just would  cloud the issue.
In 14 days  this eclipse  will be over, and its motion will be seen as predicted, proving that the earth is a globe.  and I am sure that you will be able to find  a live broadcast,  on TV, cable or the Internet.
Here is the real kicker the stars.
“This eclipse will give you a fine opportunity to gauge the brightness of the sky, because during totality observers will be able to briefly see the stars and constellations that are visible at night during the opposite season – that is, late February.  
Indeed, stretched across the western and southwestern sky will be the bright stars of the winter season: Orion and his retinue, Canis Major and Minor, Gemini, Auriga, and Taurus. Each of these constellations contains at least one star of magnitude 1 or greater. However, August can be rather hazy, especially over the southeast U.S. If this is the case, the sky background may be quite bright even at mid-totality, and Venus may be the only visible object.”
 [The Brightest Stars in the Sky: A Starry Countdown] “ https://www.space.com/36721-stars-planets-visible-during-solar-eclipse.html
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: MicroBeta on August 07, 2017, 07:24:44 AM
The apparent motion of all solar objects, sun, moon, planets, and stars; Is due to the rotation of earth.
There are other motions to be considered.
1) All the planets orbit around the sun, Earth being one of them.
2) The moon orbiting the Earth in a counterclockwise motion.
3) The Earth rotation in a counterclockwise rotation.
The counter clockwise rotation of Earth Is why we have the appearance of the sun and moon rising in the east. When you compare the motion of the Sun and Moon, you will see that the moon moves from west to east, you ask how was this? Pick a time, anytime, Mark the Moon location, in 24 hours, once again mark the Moon location, repeat the process; and you will note the moon moves from west to east on a daily basis. With a waning moon, it will be seen during the day,  coming close to a new moon,  the solar eclipse, happens at the new moon. with the moon moving from west to east, for that short time the shadow crosses the earth, as the moon moves to the east.  the rotation of the earth,  only changes the time and location of where the shadow is cast.  This is the results of all the numbers,  that have been stated before and elsewhere,  if I were to try to put the numbers in they just would  cloud the issue.
In 14 days  this eclipse  will be over, and its motion will be seen as predicted, proving that the earth is a globe.  and I am sure that you will be able to find  a live broadcast,  on TV, cable or the Internet.
Here is the real kicker the stars.
“This eclipse will give you a fine opportunity to gauge the brightness of the sky, because during totality observers will be able to briefly see the stars and constellations that are visible at night during the opposite season – that is, late February. 
Indeed, stretched across the western and southwestern sky will be the bright stars of the winter season: Orion and his retinue, Canis Major and Minor, Gemini, Auriga, and Taurus. Each of these constellations contains at least one star of magnitude 1 or greater. However, August can be rather hazy, especially over the southeast U.S. If this is the case, the sky background may be quite bright even at mid-totality, and Venus may be the only visible object.”
 [The Brightest Stars in the Sky: A Starry Countdown] “ https://www.space.com/36721-stars-planets-visible-during-solar-eclipse.html
This makes sense in a heliocentric, round earth model.

Is there a FET that explains this phenomenon?

Mike
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: deadsirius on August 07, 2017, 07:30:16 AM
You can look at this strictly from the POV of a person on the earth's surface, without knowing anything about the solar system.

Yes, the moon rises in the East, and sets in the West.  Thing is, so does the sun.  However, the moon goes west across our sky somewhat slower than the sun does.  So as the duration of the eclipse goes on, the sun and moon will be progressively lower and lower in the West, meaning that the shadow will be pointed progressively more and more to the East.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Alpha2Omega on August 07, 2017, 09:43:09 AM
Once again...

The moon's shadow will only be 70 miles wide on the 21.08.17 Solar Eclipse.

That's about right.

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It should be at least 2400 miles wide.

Nope. The umbra should be roughly 70 miles wide where it intersects the surface of the earth. This has been explained in detail many times.

Someone else posted that the penumbra will be more than 6000 miles wide. That sounds about right. Do you know the difference between the umbra and penumbra?

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Light travels in straight lines .

That's correct, but not all flat-earthers believe it. Some rely on "bendy light" to cause sunsets and other ordinary phenomena more simply and elegantly explained by a rotating spherical earth and light traveling in straight lines.

Quote
The Eclispe is caused by the moon passing between the sun and the earth.

The Sun has to be directly behind the Moon and the Earth has to be directly in front of the Moon.

Yes, but that second sentence is simply a less-clear restatement of the first.

Quote
An object shadow will follow the object when the light source is directly behind it.

Sure does. Remember this fact.

Quote
You are now claiming the Moon moves in the opposite direction to what is observed

No one is claiming that. The moon moves from west to east with respect to the sun. Because of this, it moves across the sky a little more slowly than the sun.

Quote
this would be the only possible way that the Moon's shadow can move west to East when the light source which is the Sun is directly behind it.

The moon moves from west to east with respect to the sun. Because, as you just noted, "an object shadow will follow the object when the light source is directly behind it", the moon's shadow crossing the earth also moves from west to east.

Quote
<description of earth's angular speed of rotation, which is not an issue> (http://www.livephysics.com/physical-constants/mechanics-pc/angular-speed-earth/)

You are fooling no one with your heliocentric nonsense model.

Nope. No foolin' at all. Just the facts.

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It is impossible for the path of the solar eclipse to move in completely the opposite direction to the moon.

This is correct.

Quote
The moon rises in the East and sets in th[e] west.

The Solar Eclipse starts in the west and finishes if the East.

Both of those statements are right. The first occurs because the earth rotates from west to east. The second because the moon crosses in front of the sun from west to east, and the linear velocity of the shadow is roughly 2000 miles/hr from west to east (same direction as the moon is traveling) while points on the surface are rotating from west to east no faster than about 1000 miles/hr.
 
Quote
The Earth's angular velocity which Is one rotation every 24 hrs is 27 times faster than the Moon's velocity.

This is why the moon allegedly rises in the east and sets in the west.

Allegedly? You haven't noticed this for yourself?

Since the moon moves about 1/27 of its orbit in a day, in the same time the earth makes a complete rotation, it takes about 1/27 of a day longer (about 50 minutes) between meridian transits of the moon than meridian transits of the sun. This is well known and easy to see for yourself; note when the moon rises one evening, then see if it rises about 50 minutes later each successive evening.

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If the Moon's [angular] velocity was greater than the angular velocity of the earth the Moon would rise in the West and set in the East it would also have to orbit the earth more than once every 24 hours to achieve this.

True, as corrected. I suspect this is where your argument is going off the rails, though. You insist on comparing the moon's tangential velocity (distance per unit time) with earth's angular velocity (change of angle per unit time). These are different types of quantities and cannot be compared. Are you doing this intentionally to mislead people, or are you just confused?

Quote
Here is a description of a solar eclipse on your model.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse

It clearly says the eclipse is caused when the moon passes in front of the sun.

The moon takes 27 days to orbit the earth.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon

On your model the Sun is stationary regarding it's position to the earth and the moon

.http://kidseclipse.com/sun-earth-moon-move/

I choose this link so you Stupid and gullable Heliocentric's can try to understand how and why the upcoming Solar Eclipse is impossible on your model.

Very thoughtful of you, but it's not working well, even after pausing Ghostery (tracker blocker) and enabling flash. It has lots of broken links, too.

Quote
It is impossible for an objects shadow to move in the opposite direction to the said object when the light source is stationary.

Yes, you already said that. As far as I know, no one disagrees. Maybe some of the flat earthers disagree; there's no telling what some of them will believe.

Quote
The only way this would be possible on your model would be if the Sun was moving millions of miles in relation to the earth and did not maintain it's alleged position in the centre of the solar system.

<irrelevant link> (https://www.quora.com/Is-the-sun-the-center-of-the-solar-system-Why)

Nope. All it takes is for the moon to be orbit in the same direction as the earth is rotating, but more slowly.

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So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Moon to cast a shadow on the Earth that is 24 times smaller than itself.

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Solar Eclipse to move across the Earth west to East which is the opposite direction to the moon on your Heliocentric model.

So you think repeating something wrong often enough will make it right? It doesn't work that way, and only makes your posts tiresome.

Quote
Your Heliocentric model does not match reality as such your Heliocentric model is false.

Nope. The heliocentric model of the solar system matches reality quite well. It's your strawman argument that is false.

Quote
<links to youtube videos>

The readers will make their own minds up .

Perhaps. That's why someone always bothers to give rational replies to your incorrect ideas.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 07, 2017, 10:31:20 AM
Given that the prediction of a solar eclipse is supposedly impossible using the heliocentric model and a spherical earth and moon it's pretty amazing that they are predicted with incredible accuracy using exactly that model.

And once again, the moon's shadow is not 24 times smaller, it is exactly the right size, and you've even had pretty pictures illustrating why.

Your inability to use a signature is irritating.

The readers will make their own minds up ;)

Yes, they will, won't they Mr Ignorance.is.Bliss, but I haven't see too many rushing to you aid.

Now, I assume that you have a perfect flat earth theory explaining solar eclipse.

So please, if you wish to retain a trace of credibility,
you will immediately present your perfect flat earth theory of solar eclipses.
Or you will have proved yourself a total hypocrit!

Bye bye, I do hope that you enjoy living in such ignorance, following all you are taught by your High Priests of neo-Flat Earthism Religion

What are you talking about?

This is my thread.

The thread is called :

Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe.  (And it has)

It is NOT called.

Solar Eclipse explained on Flat Model.

As I have said before this will be an entirely different thread and will warrant more of my time.

You should do your own research if you are actually interested in the Flat Earth Model.

As you're Old I will give you a heads up :)

Are you familiar with the Ancient Babylonian Saros cycle ;)

This is the model that your Heliocentric brethren  have retrofitted their mathematics to.


Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on August 07, 2017, 11:10:44 AM
Saros cycles can predict WHEN an eclipse may occur, but WHERE one will occur like us "heliocentric high priests" can. Exactly when and where I should say.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 07, 2017, 11:35:46 AM
Saros cycles can predict WHEN an eclipse may occur, but WHERE one will occur like us "heliocentric high priests" can. Exactly when and where I should say.

Incorrect

The Ancient Babylonian Saros cycle can predict an Eclipse all they need to know is when the last eclipse took place.

IT is the model your Heliocentric mathematics is retrofitted to.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on August 07, 2017, 11:45:57 AM
But they could not predict WHERE it will occur, as us globers can to a very precise degree.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 07, 2017, 12:02:42 PM
Once again...

The moon's shadow will only be 70 miles wide on the 21.08.17 Solar Eclipse.

That's about right.

Quote
It should be at least 2400 miles wide.

Nope. The umbra should be roughly 70 miles wide where it intersects the surface of the earth. This has been explained in detail many times.

Someone else posted that the penumbra will be more than 6000 miles wide. That sounds about right. Do you know the difference between the umbra and penumbra?

Quote
Light travels in straight lines .

That's correct, but not all flat-earthers believe it. Some rely on "bendy light" to cause sunsets and other ordinary phenomena more simply and elegantly explained by a rotating spherical earth and light traveling in straight lines.

Quote
The Eclispe is caused by the moon passing between the sun and the earth.

The Sun has to be directly behind the Moon and the Earth has to be directly in front of the Moon.

Yes, but that second sentence is simply a less-clear restatement of the first.

Quote
An object shadow will follow the object when the light source is directly behind it.

Sure does. Remember this fact.

Quote
You are now claiming the Moon moves in the opposite direction to what is observed

No one is claiming that. The moon moves from west to east with respect to the sun. Because of this, it moves across the sky a little more slowly than the sun.

Quote
this would be the only possible way that the Moon's shadow can move west to East when the light source which is the Sun is directly behind it.

The moon moves from west to east with respect to the sun. Because, as you just noted, "an object shadow will follow the object when the light source is directly behind it", the moon's shadow crossing the earth also moves from west to east.

Quote
<description of earth's angular speed of rotation, which is not an issue> (http://www.livephysics.com/physical-constants/mechanics-pc/angular-speed-earth/)

You are fooling no one with your heliocentric nonsense model.

Nope. No foolin' at all. Just the facts.

Quote
It is impossible for the path of the solar eclipse to move in completely the opposite direction to the moon.

This is correct.

Quote
The moon rises in the East and sets in th[e] west.

The Solar Eclipse starts in the west and finishes if the East.

Both of those statements are right. The first occurs because the earth rotates from west to east. The second because the moon crosses in front of the sun from west to east, and the linear velocity of the shadow is roughly 2000 miles/hr from west to east (same direction as the moon is traveling) while points on the surface are rotating from west to east no faster than about 1000 miles/hr.
 
Quote
The Earth's angular velocity which Is one rotation every 24 hrs is 27 times faster than the Moon's velocity.

This is why the moon allegedly rises in the east and sets in the west.

Allegedly? You haven't noticed this for yourself?

Since the moon moves about 1/27 of its orbit in a day, in the same time the earth makes a complete rotation, it takes about 1/27 of a day longer (about 50 minutes) between meridian transits of the moon than meridian transits of the sun. This is well known and easy to see for yourself; note when the moon rises one evening, then see if it rises about 50 minutes later each successive evening.

Quote
If the Moon's [angular] velocity was greater than the angular velocity of the earth the Moon would rise in the West and set in the East it would also have to orbit the earth more than once every 24 hours to achieve this.

True, as corrected. I suspect this is where your argument is going off the rails, though. You insist on comparing the moon's tangential velocity (distance per unit time) with earth's angular velocity (change of angle per unit time). These are different types of quantities and cannot be compared. Are you doing this intentionally to mislead people, or are you just confused?

Quote
Here is a description of a solar eclipse on your model.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse

It clearly says the eclipse is caused when the moon passes in front of the sun.

The moon takes 27 days to orbit the earth.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon

On your model the Sun is stationary regarding it's position to the earth and the moon

.http://kidseclipse.com/sun-earth-moon-move/

I choose this link so you Stupid and gullable Heliocentric's can try to understand how and why the upcoming Solar Eclipse is impossible on your model.

Very thoughtful of you, but it's not working well, even after pausing Ghostery (tracker blocker) and enabling flash. It has lots of broken links, too.

Quote
It is impossible for an objects shadow to move in the opposite direction to the said object when the light source is stationary.

Yes, you already said that. As far as I know, no one disagrees. Maybe some of the flat earthers disagree; there's no telling what some of them will believe.

Quote
The only way this would be possible on your model would be if the Sun was moving millions of miles in relation to the earth and did not maintain it's alleged position in the centre of the solar system.

<irrelevant link> (https://www.quora.com/Is-the-sun-the-center-of-the-solar-system-Why)

Nope. All it takes is for the moon to be orbit in the same direction as the earth is rotating, but more slowly.

Quote
So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Moon to cast a shadow on the Earth that is 24 times smaller than itself.

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Solar Eclipse to move across the Earth west to East which is the opposite direction to the moon on your Heliocentric model.

So you think repeating something wrong often enough will make it right? It doesn't work that way, and only makes your posts tiresome.

Quote
Your Heliocentric model does not match reality as such your Heliocentric model is false.

Nope. The heliocentric model of the solar system matches reality quite well. It's your strawman argument that is false.

Quote
<links to youtube videos>

The readers will make their own minds up .

Perhaps. That's why someone always bothers to give rational replies to your incorrect ideas.

You explanation is contradictory and nonsensical.

You accept that the Moon takes 27 days to orbit the Earth.

You accept that the Sun is relatively stationary and that an eclipse is caused by the Moon" passing" between the Sun and the Earth.

You also except that light travels in straight lines so the only place the Moon's Shadow could be is underneath it.

The USA is nearly 3000 miles wide and the Moon takes 27 days to orbit the Earth .

So at a rough guess I would say that the Moon would take over 3 days to cross the USA .

The problem is that the Moon's Shadow which has to be directly below the Moon travels across the USA in a few hours.

I haven't even factored in the earth's angular velocity yet which makes your model even more impossible and ridiculous.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished.


Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 07, 2017, 12:04:42 PM
But they could not predict WHERE it will occur, as us globers can to a very precise degree.

Incorrect.

Yes they could

It is the model that your Heliocentric mathematics is retrofitted to.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Crutchwater on August 07, 2017, 12:08:29 PM
Now, see...

This thread is exactly why I keep returning to this ridiculous society.

Watching a flattie get his ass handed to him repeatedly is cheap entertainment.

Mr. Futile, stay stupid, my friend!
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on August 07, 2017, 12:11:53 PM
So they could predict that the total solar eclipse of  August 21, 2017 will occur at 1:27 pm in Nashville, TN; from 2000 years from their future. Like we globers can predict.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: MicroBeta on August 07, 2017, 12:17:14 PM
Saros cycles can predict WHEN an eclipse may occur, but WHERE one will occur like us "heliocentric high priests" can. Exactly when and where I should say.

Incorrect

The Ancient Babylonian Saros cycle can predict an Eclipse all they need to know is when the last eclipse took place.

IT is the model your Heliocentric mathematics is retrofitted to.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
IIUC, the Saros cycle can predict the time by not the location with any accuracy. A heliocentric model is used for that.

However, in FET why do you see different stars during totality than you do at night?

Mike
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: markjo on August 07, 2017, 12:59:12 PM
Saros cycles can predict WHEN an eclipse may occur, but WHERE one will occur like us "heliocentric high priests" can. Exactly when and where I should say.

Incorrect

The Ancient Babylonian Saros cycle can predict an Eclipse all they need to know is when the last eclipse took place.

IT is the model your Heliocentric mathematics is retrofitted to.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Can the Saros cycle predict the size of the moon's shadow? 

Can it predict whether the eclipse will be total, partial or annular?
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Dog on August 07, 2017, 01:01:05 PM
Damn Evidence.Is.Futile is smart  :(

Every time we explain things he says we're incorrect.

"Here is some basic geometry."
"Incorrect."
"Angular velocity and linear velocity are different."
"Incorrect."
"2+2=4"
"Incorrect."

He's destroying our arguments left and right.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: markjo on August 07, 2017, 01:08:00 PM
You explanation is contradictory and nonsensical.
No, just a bit counterintuitive.

You accept that the Moon takes 27 days to orbit the Earth.
Yes.

You accept that the Sun is relatively stationary and that an eclipse is caused by the Moon" passing" between the Sun and the Earth.
Yes.  How long do you suppose that takes?

You also except that light travels in straight lines so the only place the Moon's Shadow could be is underneath it.
Behind actually, but close enough.

The USA is nearly 3000 miles wide and the Moon takes 27 days to orbit the Earth .

So at a rough guess I would say that the Moon would take over 3 days to cross the USA .
You guess wrong.  I've already pointed out that the moon travels in its orbit at about 2300 mph, so it would take about an hour and a half.

The problem is that the Moon's Shadow which has to be directly below the Moon travels across the USA in a few hours.
Why is that a problem?

I haven't even factored in the earth's angular velocity yet which makes your model even more impossible and ridiculous.
Maybe you should factor in the earth's rotational velocity as well as the size of the moon's orbit and its orbital velocity. 

It might begin to make sense if you factor in all of the relevant parameters, not just the ones that you want to cherry pick.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished.
Your deliberate obtuseness is tedious.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 07, 2017, 01:48:08 PM
You explanation is contradictory and nonsensical.
No, just a bit counterintuitive.

You accept that the Moon takes 27 days to orbit the Earth.
Yes.

You accept that the Sun is relatively stationary and that an eclipse is caused by the Moon" passing" between the Sun and the Earth.
Yes.  How long do you suppose that takes?

You also except that light travels in straight lines so the only place the Moon's Shadow could be is underneath it.
Behind actually, but close enough.

The USA is nearly 3000 miles wide and the Moon takes 27 days to orbit the Earth .

So at a rough guess I would say that the Moon would take over 3 days to cross the USA .
You guess wrong.  I've already pointed out that the moon travels in its orbit at about 2300 mph, so it would take about an hour and a half.

The problem is that the Moon's Shadow which has to be directly below the Moon travels across the USA in a few hours.
Why is that a problem?

I haven't even factored in the earth's angular velocity yet which makes your model even more impossible and ridiculous.
Maybe you should factor in the earth's rotational velocity as well as the size of the moon's orbit and its orbital velocity. 

It might begin to make sense if you factor in all of the relevant parameters, not just the ones that you want to cherry pick.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished.
Your deliberate obtuseness is tedious.

This is the problem with you Heliocentrics you struggle to understand your own model.

You have said you agree that the Moon takes 27 days to orbit the Earth.

You then say that the Moon will move across the USA in 90 minutes.

If the Moon was moving at that actual velocity it would orbit the Earth in 12 hours and NOT 27 days.

It is impossible for the Moon to take 27 days to orbit the Earth AND then be able to cross the USA which is nearly 3000 miles wide in 90 minutes.

Your explanation is cotradictory and nonsensical.

If we factor in the fact that the Earth's angular velocity is 27 times greater than the actual velocity of the Moon which causes the Moon to move East to West not West to East your explanation becomes even more ridiculous.

Rotational velocity is not a relevant factor for what can be observed in the Sky whether that is an Eclipsed Sun Moon or Stars for example at the North pole the rotational velocity is near zero but The Sun Moon and Stars still do a full rotation everyday.

Here is a link that will help you understand how angular velocity and rotational velocity work when different distances and view points are involved.

https://www.quora.com/Given-that-the-earth-is-rotating-at-great-velocity-how-is-it-that-we-can-see-stars-and-planets-as-if-we-are-watching-them-from-a-stationary-object

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Crutchwater on August 07, 2017, 01:54:13 PM
Who said the moon would move across the earth in 90 minutes?

The SHADOW of the moon will transit in that time, not the moon.


Your complete idiocy is astounding!
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: onebigmonkey on August 07, 2017, 01:58:27 PM
Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile link=topic=71435.msg1939416#msg1939416
This is the problem with you Heliocentrics you struggle to understand your own model.

You have said you agree that the Moon takes 27 days to orbit the Earth.

You then say that the Moon will move across the USA in 90 minutes.

The moon's shadow from the eclipse.

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If the Moon was moving at that actual velocity it would orbit the Earth in 12 hours and NOT 27 days.

It is impossible for the Moon to take 27 days to orbit the Earth AND then be able to cross the USA which is nearly 3000 miles wide in 90 minutes.

Your explanation is cotradictory and nonsensical.

Your understanding of what has been said is both badly spelled and completely inadequate.

Quote
If we factor in the fact that the Earth's angular velocity is 27 times greater than the actual velocity of the Moon which causes the Moon to move East to West not West to East your explanation becomes even more ridiculous.

Rotational velocity is not a relevant factor for what can be observed in the Sky whether that is an Eclipsed Sun Moon or Stars for example at the North pole the rotational velocity is near zero but The Sun Moon and Stars still do a full rotation everyday.

Here is a link that will help you understand how angular velocity and rotational velocity work when different distances and view points are involved.

https://www.quora.com/Given-that-the-earth-is-rotating-at-great-velocity-how-is-it-that-we-can-see-stars-and-planets-as-if-we-are-watching-them-from-a-stationary-object

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

You do know that link proves you wrong? From it:

Quote
The time needed for the stars is based on how fast the Earth rotates.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on August 07, 2017, 01:59:48 PM
The moon's orbit is around 1,500,000 miles long. A simple calculation shows the moon is travelling at around 2200 miles per hour in its orbit, which is much faster than Earth's angular velocity of around 1000 miles per hour.

Edit: Rough calculation 1,500,000 divided by 27(orbit in days) divided by 24(hours in a day)
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 07, 2017, 02:08:33 PM
The moon's orbit is around 1,500,000 miles long. A simple calculation shows the moon is travelling at around 2200 miles per hour in its orbit, which is much faster than Earth's angular velocity of around 1000 miles per hour.

Yet again you Heliocentrics fail to understand your own model.

You have rotational velocity and angular velocity confused.

The Earth's alleged rotational velocity at the equator is 1000 mph and drops down to a negligable amount at the North pole.

The Earth's Angular velocity is constant no matter what the POV is on Earth.

It is the Earth's angular velocity that determines what we see in the sky

Watch the stars for an hour and it should be pretty evident that something isn't stationary.

Go stand 6 feet from a motorway and watch the cars pass you at 60 mph.  Then look up at an airliner at 33000 feet as it passes you at 550 mph.  Why does the airplane appear so much slower than the cars?

The answer is that the farther away something is, the farther it has to travel to cover the same angle of your vision.  An object will thus appear slower if its apparent angular speed is less - regardless of true velocity.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 07, 2017, 02:15:34 PM
Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile link=topic=71435.msg1939416#msg1939416
This is the problem with you Heliocentrics you struggle to understand your own model.

You have said you agree that the Moon takes 27 days to orbit the Earth.

You then say that the Moon will move across the USA in 90 minutes.

The moon's shadow from the eclipse.

Quote

If the Moon was moving at that actual velocity it would orbit the Earth in 12 hours and NOT 27 days.

It is impossible for the Moon to take 27 days to orbit the Earth AND then be able to cross the USA which is nearly 3000 miles wide in 90 minutes.

Your explanation is cotradictory and nonsensical.

Your understanding of what has been said is both badly spelled and completely inadequate.

Quote
If we factor in the fact that the Earth's angular velocity is 27 times greater than the actual velocity of the Moon which causes the Moon to move East to West not West to East your explanation becomes even more ridiculous.

Rotational velocity is not a relevant factor for what can be observed in the Sky whether that is an Eclipsed Sun Moon or Stars for example at the North pole the rotational velocity is near zero but The Sun Moon and Stars still do a full rotation everyday.

Here is a link that will help you understand how angular velocity and rotational velocity work when different distances and view points are involved.

https://www.quora.com/Given-that-the-earth-is-rotating-at-great-velocity-how-is-it-that-we-can-see-stars-and-planets-as-if-we-are-watching-them-from-a-stationary-object

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

You do know that link proves you wrong? From it:

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The time needed for the stars is based on how fast the Earth rotates.

You are fooling no one.

How is it possible for the Moon to take 27 days to Orbit the Earth and at the same time only take 90 minutes to cross the USA when the USA is 3000 miles wide.?

I tell you that it is impossible.

You are incorrect the link will help you dense heliocentric's to understand your broken tired old Heliocentric  model.

Keep up the good work. ;)

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Zammo on August 07, 2017, 02:59:01 PM
Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile link=topic=71435.msg1939416#msg1939416
This is the problem with you Heliocentrics you struggle to understand your own model.

You have said you agree that the Moon takes 27 days to orbit the Earth.

You then say that the Moon will move across the USA in 90 minutes.

The moon's shadow from the eclipse.

Quote

If the Moon was moving at that actual velocity it would orbit the Earth in 12 hours and NOT 27 days.

It is impossible for the Moon to take 27 days to orbit the Earth AND then be able to cross the USA which is nearly 3000 miles wide in 90 minutes.

Your explanation is cotradictory and nonsensical.

Your understanding of what has been said is both badly spelled and completely inadequate.

Quote
If we factor in the fact that the Earth's angular velocity is 27 times greater than the actual velocity of the Moon which causes the Moon to move East to West not West to East your explanation becomes even more ridiculous.

Rotational velocity is not a relevant factor for what can be observed in the Sky whether that is an Eclipsed Sun Moon or Stars for example at the North pole the rotational velocity is near zero but The Sun Moon and Stars still do a full rotation everyday.

Here is a link that will help you understand how angular velocity and rotational velocity work when different distances and view points are involved.

https://www.quora.com/Given-that-the-earth-is-rotating-at-great-velocity-how-is-it-that-we-can-see-stars-and-planets-as-if-we-are-watching-them-from-a-stationary-object

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

You do know that link proves you wrong? From it:

Quote
The time needed for the stars is based on how fast the Earth rotates.

You are fooling no one.

How is it possible for the Moon to take 27 days to Orbit the Earth and at the same time only take 90 minutes to cross the USA when the USA is 3000 miles wide.?

I tell you that it is impossible.

You are incorrect the link will help you dense heliocentric's to understand your broken tired old Heliocentric  model.

Keep up the good work. ;)

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished. ;D ;D ;D

Not sure about the 90 minute transit, (time of umbra around 4 hours for full eclipse) but I asked my 4 year old son if he could answer this just to get a gauge of how thick you are. His answer "Because the moon is moving at 2300mph when it passes it front of the sun. That's easy daddy!"

Yep. Ever had your IQ tested futile brain?
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on August 07, 2017, 03:05:08 PM
Easy. USA is 3000 miles wide. Moon travels at around 2200 miles per hour. Therefore it takes an hour and half for the moon to cross the USA.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Alpha2Omega on August 07, 2017, 03:10:33 PM
You explanation is contradictory and nonsensical.

Let's see!

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You accept that the Moon takes 27 days to orbit the Earth.

You accept that the Sun is relatively stationary and that an eclipse is caused by the Moon" passing" between the Sun and the Earth.

You also except that light travels in straight lines so the only place the Moon's Shadow could be is underneath it.

The USA is nearly 3000 miles wide and the Moon takes 27 days to orbit the Earth .

OK so far.

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So at a rough guess I would say that the Moon would take over 3 days to cross the USA .

Oops... that one is wrong!

The moon completes an orbit in 27 days. Its orbit is about 240,000 miles in radius, so the orbit (circumference of a circle with radius 240,000 miles) is about 1,500,000 miles long.

1.5 X 106 miles / 27 days = 55,556 miles/day

55,556 miles/day / (24 hr/day) = 2,315 mi/hr

3000 mi / 2315 mi/hr = 1.3 hr

Time of maximum eclipse on Oregon coast (44.84419°, -124.05350°): 17:15:56.7 UT
Time of maximum eclipse on Carolina coast (33.01413°, -79.44798°): 18:47:43.6 UT

Actual time to cross USA: 1:31:46.9, just over 1.5 hr

Distance between those points: 2497 miles.

Better estimate of time to cross USA: 2497 mi / 2315 mi/hr = 1.08 hr

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The problem is that the Moon's Shadow which has to be directly below the Moon travels across the USA in a few hours.

Between one and two hours for the center of the shadow, but OK. It's not a problem, though.

Quote
I haven't even factored in the earth's angular velocity yet which makes your model even more impossible and ridiculous.

Let's go ahead and factor it in, then and see what we get. I'll bet it "stretches" our quick-and-dirty calculated time from 1.1 hours to closer to 1.5 hours.

In the 1.5 hours from the time the axis of the shadow makes landfall in Oregon, that beach in SC rotates eastward by 22.5° (1/16 of a full rotation). At 33° latitude, the radius from the axis of the earth to the surface is about 3,350 miles, meaning it will have rotated 1315 miles eastward, increasing the total path length by about that much.

Better estimate of time to cross USA, including rotation:

T = (2497 mi + 1315 mi) / 2315 mi/hr
 = 3813 mi / 2315 mi/hr
 = 1.6 hr.

Not bad for a back-of-the-envelope calculation. It looks like it makes pretty good sense after all.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Zammo on August 07, 2017, 03:13:24 PM
Easy. USA is 3000 miles wide. Moon travels at around 2200 miles per hour. Therefore it takes an hour and half for the moon to cross the USA.
My four year old said you need to subtract the linear speed of the earth where the shadow is forming from the moon's linear velocity, so a little over 2 hours 😉
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on August 07, 2017, 03:23:40 PM
Easy. USA is 3000 miles wide. Moon travels at around 2200 miles per hour. Therefore it takes an hour and half for the moon to cross the USA.
My four year old said you need to subtract the linear speed of the earth where the shadow is forming from the moon's linear velocity, so a little over 2 hours 😉

I was just giving Futile something more to ramble on about lol.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Zaphod on August 07, 2017, 03:23:58 PM
RIF

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How is it possible for the Moon to take 27 days to Orbit the Earth and at the same time only take 90 minutes to cross the USA when the USA is 3000 miles wide.?

As HTLAY said above it is the shadow that crosses the USA not the moon. The moon only has to travel roughly the same linear distance as the width of the continent. It is only a very small fraction of its orbital circumference. The moon/sun don't have to be directly overhead to cast a shadow.

It's easier to understand initially if you imagine the earth is not rotating, and just have the moon orbiting the earth casting a shadow as it goes. I'm sure someone with more time could make an animation/drawing to illustrate. Once you add a rotating earth the speed of the shadow across the surface will be reduced accordingly.

Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: dutchy on August 07, 2017, 03:31:21 PM
Easy. USA is 3000 miles wide. Moon travels at around 2200 miles per hour. Therefore it takes an hour and half for the moon to cross the USA.
My four year old said you need to subtract the linear speed of the earth where the shadow is forming from the moon's linear velocity, so a little over 2 hours 😉
I allready dislike this kid,.....shame on me !!!
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Zammo on August 07, 2017, 03:37:03 PM
Easy. USA is 3000 miles wide. Moon travels at around 2200 miles per hour. Therefore it takes an hour and half for the moon to cross the USA.
My four year old said you need to subtract the linear speed of the earth where the shadow is forming from the moon's linear velocity, so a little over 2 hours 😉
I allready dislike this kid,.....shame on me !!!

Ha ha. He may have had a little help from his Dad!😉
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: markjo on August 07, 2017, 03:44:39 PM
The moon's orbit is around 1,500,000 miles long. A simple calculation shows the moon is travelling at around 2200 miles per hour in its orbit, which is much faster than Earth's angular velocity of around 1000 miles per hour.

Yet again you Heliocentrics fail to understand your own model.
No, you're the one who is confused.

You have rotational velocity and angular velocity confused.
Nope.  That's you again.

The Earth's alleged rotational velocity at the equator is 1000 mph and drops down to a negligable amount at the North pole.
Yup.

The Earth's Angular velocity is constant no matter what the POV is on Earth.
Two for two.

It is the Earth's angular velocity that determines what we see in the sky
In part, yes.

Watch the stars for an hour and it should be pretty evident that something isn't stationary.
Umm... If you say so.

Go stand 6 feet from a motorway and watch the cars pass you at 60 mph.  Then look up at an airliner at 33000 feet as it passes you at 550 mph.  Why does the airplane appear so much slower than the cars?
Be careful, I think that you've just debunked your own argument right there.

The answer is that the farther away something is, the farther it has to travel to cover the same angle of your vision.  An object will thus appear slower if its apparent angular speed is less - regardless of true velocity.
BINGO!!  The moon is so far away that it appears to be orbiting backwards, even though it's orbiting faster than the earth is rotating.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Truth is stranger than fiction because fiction has to make sense.



Easy. USA is 3000 miles wide. Moon travels at around 2200 miles per hour. Therefore it takes an hour and half for the moon to cross the USA.
My four year old said you need to subtract the linear speed of the earth where the shadow is forming from the moon's linear velocity, so a little over 2 hours 😉
I allready dislike this kid,.....shame on me !!!
Well, nobody likes a smart ass, so...   :P
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Sentinel on August 07, 2017, 03:58:54 PM
Easy. USA is 3000 miles wide. Moon travels at around 2200 miles per hour. Therefore it takes an hour and half for the moon to cross the USA.
My four year old said you need to subtract the linear speed of the earth where the shadow is forming from the moon's linear velocity, so a little over 2 hours 😉

I was just giving Futile something more to ramble on about lol.

It was plenty, though.  ;D
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: rabinoz on August 07, 2017, 04:24:29 PM
<< irrelevant rubbish deleted >>
I assume that you have a perfect flat earth theory explaining solar eclipse.

Please, if you wish to retain a trace of credibility,
you will immediately present your perfect flat earth theory of solar eclipses.
Or you will have proved yourself a total hypocrit!

Your silly Pizza Pie Earth never was - even the ancient Mesopotamians, Chinese and Greeks were much smarter than you!
They knew the real explanation for eclipses and was the same as the current Heliocentric Globe explanation.
Put that in your smoke and pipe it Mr Ignorance.is Bliss, the useless time-waster.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: dutchy on August 08, 2017, 12:38:14 AM
Wow Rabinoz, your replies are on steroids lately, surpassing your normal level of disdain towards flatearthers. Are there some unwanted expenses that need some financial input ? i am sure 'they' will take notice all the hard work you're putting in. 8)
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: rabinoz on August 08, 2017, 12:55:21 AM
Wow Rabinoz, your replies are on steroids lately, surpassing your normal level of disdain towards flatearthers. Are there some unwanted expenses that need some financial input ? i am sure 'they' will take notice all the hard work you're putting in. 8)
No, not to Flat Earthers in general, but just to 3 or 4 who never seem to have any logical argument and just keep repeating the same old trash.

You can work out who I mean, though of course, Ignorance.is.Bliss and one with implanted NASAphobic lenses get on.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: dutchy on August 08, 2017, 01:29:19 AM
Wow Rabinoz, your replies are on steroids lately, surpassing your normal level of disdain towards flatearthers. Are there some unwanted expenses that need some financial input ? i am sure 'they' will take notice all the hard work you're putting in. 8)
No, not to Flat Earthers in general, but just to 3 or 4 who never seem to have any logical argument and just keep repeating the same old trash.

You can work out who I mean, though of course, Ignorance.is.Bliss and one with implanted NASAphobic lenses get on.
It must hurt to twist the clear testimonies of astronauts in a way to hold it together as a unity.
Long live our youtube temple in which we could see for ourselves what the liars have testified during the last decades.
Your cowardly replies cannot glue it back together.
Those reading along and watching youtube involving astronauts and what they could 'see' make up their own minds you know.

And all of the people i have showed the testimonies of the astronauts agree ! Their testimonies are extremely conflicting and inserting all kinds of excuses doesn't change that.
Don't you think there is a reason for the increase of huge numbers of people starting to doubt the moonlandings in 2017 ?
Because they for themselves can see and hear the liars talk on youtube and contradict their collegues in the most revealling fashion.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: RocksEverywhere on August 08, 2017, 02:18:59 AM


How will this Eclipse be possible on your Heliocentric model ?

The producer in this video gives a detailed description of how and why the upcoming solar Eclipse is impossibe on the Heliocentric Globe Model.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Why am I doing this again?

Jesus, where to start.

1. Did not even attempt to make it work, like a good researcher would
2. Did not do the math
3. Did not provide an alternate hypothesis in which it works
4. Based research on animations which do not accurately represent the rotation and orbit of the earth and moon, or the scale of size and distance of these two.

If you actually make a scale model in which the size, distance, rotation and orbit works, you'll realize that because of the distance between the moon and earth, it's shadow moves across the surface super fucking fast.

Later weirdo's
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: dutchy on August 08, 2017, 02:51:28 AM
Thanks Resistance.is.futile for keeping this topic alive !!!!
It gave me the oppertunity to examine most claims and it is impossible for the globe community to insert the reality of all observable phenomena of the eclips into a hypothetical model that explains it correctly.
Some parts can work , buit others fail miserably !

But also thanks again my globe ''breathren'', because it took some time and now i am fully convinced it cannot possibly work with all the hypothetical data compared to wath we will actually wittiness during the eclips !
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Sentinel on August 08, 2017, 03:09:10 AM
Brace yourselves, Dutchy has fallen again. It starts all over...  :-\
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: rabinoz on August 08, 2017, 03:10:57 AM
Wow Rabinoz, your replies are on steroids lately, surpassing your normal level of disdain towards flatearthers. Are there some unwanted expenses that need some financial input ? i am sure 'they' will take notice all the hard work you're putting in. 8)
No, not to Flat Earthers in general, but just to 3 or 4 who never seem to have any logical argument and just keep repeating the same old trash.

You can work out who I mean, though of course, Ignorance.is.Bliss and one with implanted NASAphobic lenses get on.
It must hurt to twist the clear testimonies of astronauts in a way to hold it together as a unity.
Long live our youtube temple in which we could see for ourselves what the liars have testified during the last decades.
Your cowardly replies cannot glue it back together.
Wow, those NASAphobic implants are sure effective, but what about something on topic.

Maybe you even have a flat earth explanation for the "Eclipse 21.08.17" that will fit observations better than the accepted one.

But, it seems that your whole life is spent denouncing NASA, who had nothing whatever to do with deciding the shape of the earth.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: MicroBeta on August 08, 2017, 03:15:46 AM
Thanks Resistance.is.futile for keeping this topic alive !!!!
It gave me the oppertunity to examine most claims and it is impossible for the globe community to insert the reality of all observable phenomena of the eclips into a hypothetical model that explains it correctly.
Some parts can work , buit others fail miserably !

But also thanks again my globe ''breathren'', because it took some time and now i am fully convinced it cannot possibly work with all the hypothetical data compared to wath we will actually wittiness during the eclips !
You mean other than the heliocentric based analytical solution the accurately predicts  the time and place of every eclipse, solar & lunar, for the next thousand years?  Yeah, other than that we got nothin'

How's that predictive model in FET going?

Mike
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: rabinoz on August 08, 2017, 03:22:17 AM
Thanks Resistance.is.futile for keeping this topic alive !!!!
It gave me the oppertunity to examine most claims and it is impossible for the globe community to insert the reality of all observable phenomena of the eclips into a hypothetical model that explains it correctly.
Some parts can work , buit others fail miserably!
OK, please list these "parts" that "fail miserably" and explain in your own words just why they "fail miserably".

And don't forget to present
a flat earth theory for the solar eclipse that can cause a 114 km wide umbra shadow from your 50 km diameter moon.

Quote from: dutchy
But also thanks again my globe ''breathren'', because it took some time and now i am fully convinced it cannot possibly work with all the hypothetical data compared to wath we will actually wittiness during the eclips !
You just might get horribly embarrassed when you find that your favourite organisation got it right again.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: kennykirklan on August 08, 2017, 05:29:54 AM
NASA now think the sun is bigger than previously thought:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4739226/Sun-larger-think-claim-Nasa-scientists.html

Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Badxtoss on August 08, 2017, 09:27:29 AM
Wow Rabinoz, your replies are on steroids lately, surpassing your normal level of disdain towards flatearthers. Are there some unwanted expenses that need some financial input ? i am sure 'they' will take notice all the hard work you're putting in. 8)
And yet none of you have posted working model for the eclipse on a flat earth.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 08, 2017, 09:29:27 AM
<< irrelevant rubbish deleted >>
I assume that you have a perfect flat earth theory explaining solar eclipse.

Please, if you wish to retain a trace of credibility,
you will immediately present your perfect flat earth theory of solar eclipses.
Or you will have proved yourself a total hypocrit!

Your silly Pizza Pie Earth never was - even the ancient Mesopotamians, Chinese and Greeks were much smarter than you!
They knew the real explanation for eclipses and was the same as the current Heliocentric Globe explanation.
Put that in your smoke and pipe it Mr Ignorance.is Bliss, the useless time-waster.

You must of missed this my decrepit friend. ;)

What are you talking about?

This is my thread.

The thread is called :

Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe.  (And it has)

It is NOT called.

Solar Eclipse explained on Flat Model.

As I have said before this will be an entirely different thread and will warrant more of my time.

You should do your own research if you are actually interested in the Flat Earth Model.

As you're Old I will give you a heads up :)

Are you familiar with the Ancient Babylonian Saros cycle ;)

This is the model that your Heliocentric brethren  have retrofitted their mathematics to.


Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: MicroBeta on August 08, 2017, 10:25:38 AM
You must of missed this my decrepit friend. ;)

What are you talking about?

This is my thread.

The thread is called :

Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe.  (And it has)
I don’t believe it has.  There isn’t a single proof, equation, or analytical solution of any kind.  Hand waving and making unverifiable statements doesn’t disprove anything.

It is NOT called.

Solar Eclipse explained on Flat Model.

As I have said before this will be an entirely different thread and will warrant more of my time.

You should do your own research if you are actually interested in the Flat Earth Model.

As you're Old I will give you a heads up :)

Are you familiar with the Ancient Babylonian Saros cycle ;)

This is the model that your Heliocentric brethren  have retrofitted their mathematics to.


Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
It certainly is based on the concepts of the Saros cycle.  NASA says so in the Five Millennium Canon of Solar Eclipses so I’m not sure why you think it’s such a big deal.  While Saros & Inex cycles provide a basis for an understanding of the periodicity/frequency of events, the current NASA analytical solutions use much more accurate numeric modeling based on the following:

“Based on modern theories of the Sun and the Moon constructed at the Bureau des Longitudes of Paris rather than the older Newcomb and Brown ephemerides.
Ephemerides and eclipse predictions performed in Terrestrial Dynamical Time.
Covers historical period of eclipses, as well as one millennium into the future.
Global maps for each eclipse depict the actual northern and southern limits of the Moon’s penumbral and umbral or antumbral shadows, as well as the sunrise and sunset curves.
Maps include curve of eclipse magnitude 0.5.
Maps include continental outlines with contemporary political boundaries and are large enough to identify geographic regions of eclipse visibility.
Maps are based of the most current determination of the historical values of ΔT.
Estimates of eclipse path accuracy based on the uncertainty in the value of ΔT (i.e., standard error in ΔT)”

All of which is contained in this Link (https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/5MCSE/5MCSE-Text11.pdf).

You have shown NOTHING that contradicts this document so how can you say that the eclipse of 2017 debunks anything let alone the globe?

So when the eclipse comes off exactly as described by NASA using the methodology presented in Five Millennium Canon of Solar Eclipses, you will have proved nothing.

Debunk the Canon if you can.  The math in the Canon is well understood, has accurately predicted eclipses over and over again, and its results are repeatable.  This Canon contains all the assumptions, data tables, and equations.  It is the basis for predicting not only the upcoming eclipse but all eclipses for the next thousand years.  Posting YouTube videos or hand waving descriptions isn’t going to cut it.  You have to attack the assumptions and the math.  Otherwise, your outta gas.

Mike
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 08, 2017, 10:42:22 AM
You must of missed this my decrepit friend. ;)

What are you talking about?

This is my thread.

The thread is called :

Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe.  (And it has)
I don’t believe it has.  There isn’t a single proof, equation, or analytical solution of any kind.  Hand waving and making unverifiable statements doesn’t disprove anything.

It is NOT called.

Solar Eclipse explained on Flat Model.

As I have said before this will be an entirely different thread and will warrant more of my time.

You should do your own research if you are actually interested in the Flat Earth Model.

As you're Old I will give you a heads up :)

Are you familiar with the Ancient Babylonian Saros cycle ;)

This is the model that your Heliocentric brethren  have retrofitted their mathematics to.


Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
It certainly is based on the concepts of the Saros cycle.  NASA says so in the Five Millennium Canon of Solar Eclipses so I’m not sure why you think it’s such a big dea.  While Saros & Inex cycles provide a basis for an understanding of the periodicity/frequency of events, the current NASA analytical solutions use much more accurate numeric modeling based on the following:

“Based on modern theories of the Sun and the Moon constructed at the Bureau des Longitudes of Paris rather than the older Newcomb and Brown ephemerides.
Ephemerides and eclipse predictions performed in Terrestrial Dynamical Time.
Covers historical period of eclipses, as well as one millennium into the future.
Global maps for each eclipse depict the actual northern and southern limits of the Moon’s penumbral and umbral or antumbral shadows, as well as the sunrise and sunset curves.
Maps include curve of eclipse magnitude 0.5.
Maps include continental outlines with contemporary political boundaries and are large enough to identify geographic regions of eclipse visibility.
Maps are based of the most current determination of the historical values of ΔT.
Estimates of eclipse path accuracy based on the uncertainty in the value of ΔT (i.e., standard error in ΔT)”

All of which is contained in this Link (https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/5MCSE/5MCSE-Text11.pdf).

You have shown NOTHING that contradicts this document so how can you say that the eclipse of 2017 debunks anything let alone the globe?

So when the eclipse comes off exactly as described by NASA using the methodology presented in Five Millennium Canon of Solar Eclipses, you will have proved nothing.

Debunk the Canon if you can.  The math in the Canon is well understood, has accurately predicted eclipses over and over again, and its results are repeatable.  This Canon contains all the assumptions, data tables, and equations.  It is the basis for predicting not only the upcoming eclipse all eclipses for a thousand years.  Posting YouTube videos or hand waving descriptions isn’t going to cut it.  You have to attack the assumptions and the math.  Otherwise, your outta gas.

Mike

It is a big deal;  the ancient Babylonian's knew the Earth was Flat just like NASA do.

This is why as you said NASA use their model.

NASA do not have their own model because:

The Universe

The Globe

The Heliocentric model.

In reality doesn't exist it's all a fairytale.

This is why NASA have to use a 4000 year old model.

Lol.

Lol.

It is not for you to decide what " Cuts it "

I also do not care what you believe as you are not a normal person who can understand logical explanations that can be verified by anyone

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False..
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: dutchy on August 08, 2017, 10:50:21 AM
OK, please list these "parts" that "fail miserably" and explain in your own words just why they "fail miserably".
The shadow of the eclips is projected on a globe from the side of the globe.
Just like how the curvature doesn't drop in a slope, but in increasingly growing numbers the more distance you cover, so must the speed of the umbra vary dramatically when projected from ONE side upon earth's globular surface.
Better said,......in the beginning and the end the shadow is striking Earth at a very oblique angle.
And therefore the speed of the shadow is much faster at the beginning and at the end.
BUT THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT !!!!!
At the beginning of the eclips the shadow is much slower than the earth's huge relative rotation at that specific point
The shadow should move very fast from east to west before slowing down and reverse it's projected path to east to west.

We should see A REVERSED SHADOW TRAVELING FROM EAST TO WEST, because right at the beginning the relative rotation of earth is much greater/'' faster'' than the steady speed of the shadow.
You can simply check it with rotating a model globe and a light source.
(http://l450v.alamy.com/450v/j5a924/blue-marble-north-america-with-clouds-j5a924.jpg)
In the beginning the shadow is much slower than earth's relative rotation in the specific rotational direction of earth's spin (moving uphill)
In the middle (''uphill'') the shadow is faster than earth's spin like we see in most animations.
It becomes infinite faster at the end (downhill) of the eclips before it ends.

What we should see is an umbra travelling east to west at the very beginning because earth's relative rotation compared to the shadow coming in from the side is at that point much greater than the steady velocity of the umbra ,.....
Very soon the shadow is catching up with earth's rotational speed and begins to overtake earth's rotational speed.

''uphill in the middle of the globe'' the shadow's speed is faster than the earth's spin.
The speed of the umbra reaches the extremes before leaving earth's globular surface.

Yep that is how a globe works when a shadow from the sides is cast towards a globe.
It doesn't matter that the moon moves itself for the same optical phenomena.
At the start of the eclips we should see an umbra from east to west,very soon fixed on the earth's surface, then moving west to east, reaching extreme speeds before it leaves the surface....
What great difference does a few days of thinking make ::)
Quote
And don't forget to present
a flat earth theory for the solar eclipse that can cause a 114 km wide umbra shadow from your 50 km diameter moon.
Do you have some sort of personal quest with Resistance.is.futile Rabinoz ?
Resistance.is.futile repeatedly said this is his topic about debunking  ''the globe and the August eclipse'',.....not ''show us a flatearth model that works''.
Call it a form of civilisation or forum etiquette to comply.

Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: MicroBeta on August 08, 2017, 11:01:05 AM
You must of missed this my decrepit friend. ;)

What are you talking about?

This is my thread.

The thread is called :

Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe.  (And it has)
I don’t believe it has.  There isn’t a single proof, equation, or analytical solution of any kind.  Hand waving and making unverifiable statements doesn’t disprove anything.

It is NOT called.

Solar Eclipse explained on Flat Model.

As I have said before this will be an entirely different thread and will warrant more of my time.

You should do your own research if you are actually interested in the Flat Earth Model.

As you're Old I will give you a heads up :)

Are you familiar with the Ancient Babylonian Saros cycle ;)

This is the model that your Heliocentric brethren  have retrofitted their mathematics to.


Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
It certainly is based on the concepts of the Saros cycle.  NASA says so in the Five Millennium Canon of Solar Eclipses so I’m not sure why you think it’s such a big dea.  While Saros & Inex cycles provide a basis for an understanding of the periodicity/frequency of events, the current NASA analytical solutions use much more accurate numeric modeling based on the following:

“Based on modern theories of the Sun and the Moon constructed at the Bureau des Longitudes of Paris rather than the older Newcomb and Brown ephemerides.
Ephemerides and eclipse predictions performed in Terrestrial Dynamical Time.
Covers historical period of eclipses, as well as one millennium into the future.
Global maps for each eclipse depict the actual northern and southern limits of the Moon’s penumbral and umbral or antumbral shadows, as well as the sunrise and sunset curves.
Maps include curve of eclipse magnitude 0.5.
Maps include continental outlines with contemporary political boundaries and are large enough to identify geographic regions of eclipse visibility.
Maps are based of the most current determination of the historical values of ΔT.
Estimates of eclipse path accuracy based on the uncertainty in the value of ΔT (i.e., standard error in ΔT)”

All of which is contained in this Link (https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/5MCSE/5MCSE-Text11.pdf).

You have shown NOTHING that contradicts this document so how can you say that the eclipse of 2017 debunks anything let alone the globe?

So when the eclipse comes off exactly as described by NASA using the methodology presented in Five Millennium Canon of Solar Eclipses, you will have proved nothing.

Debunk the Canon if you can.  The math in the Canon is well understood, has accurately predicted eclipses over and over again, and its results are repeatable.  This Canon contains all the assumptions, data tables, and equations.  It is the basis for predicting not only the upcoming eclipse all eclipses for a thousand years.  Posting YouTube videos or hand waving descriptions isn’t going to cut it.  You have to attack the assumptions and the math.  Otherwise, your outta gas.

Mike

It is a big deal;  the ancient Babylonian's knew the Earth was Flat just like NASA do.

This is why as you said NASA use their model.

NASA do not have their own model because:

The Universe

The Globe

The Heliocentric model.

In reality doesn't exist it's all a fairytale.

This is why NASA have to use a 4000 year old model.

Lol.

Lol.

It is not for you to decide what " Cuts it "

I also do not care what you believe as you are not a normal person who can understand logical explanations that can be verified by anyone

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False..
All that proves nothing. If you had actually read the Canon you'd know the Saros cycle is only the basis for modeling the period and Not used actually calculating it.

If you had actually read the Canon you'd also know that everything else is based on more modern models and concepts not known to the Babylonian's...like the earth is a heliocentric globe.

If you had actually read the Canon you'd, again would know that using the Saros cycle to invalidate the methodology is just plain silly...unless of course you don't understand how it works.

Mike
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Badxtoss on August 08, 2017, 11:03:56 AM
<< irrelevant rubbish deleted >>
I assume that you have a perfect flat earth theory explaining solar eclipse.

Please, if you wish to retain a trace of credibility,
you will immediately present your perfect flat earth theory of solar eclipses.
Or you will have proved yourself a total hypocrit!

Your silly Pizza Pie Earth never was - even the ancient Mesopotamians, Chinese and Greeks were much smarter than you!
They knew the real explanation for eclipses and was the same as the current Heliocentric Globe explanation.
Put that in your smoke and pipe it Mr Ignorance.is Bliss, the useless time-waster.

You must of missed this my decrepit friend. ;)

What are you talking about?

This is my thread.

The thread is called :

Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe.  (And it has)

It is NOT called.

Solar Eclipse explained on Flat Model.

As I have said before this will be an entirely different thread and will warrant more of my time.

You should do your own research if you are actually interested in the Flat Earth Model.

As you're Old I will give you a heads up :)

Are you familiar with the Ancient Babylonian Saros cycle ;)

This is the model that your Heliocentric brethren  have retrofitted their mathematics to.


Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Actually since a global earth explains all of the observations and nothing you have shown proves otherwise, really the only to use the eclipse as proof would be to show how it works on a flat earth and how that model explains something RE does not.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Pezevenk on August 08, 2017, 11:23:32 AM
OK, please list these "parts" that "fail miserably" and explain in your own words just why they "fail miserably".
The shadow of the eclips is projected on a globe from the side of the globe.
Just like how the curvature doesn't drop in a slope, but in increasingly growing numbers the more distance you cover, so must the speed of the umbra vary dramatically when projected from ONE side upon earth's globular surface.
Better said,......in the beginning and the end the shadow is striking Earth at a very oblique angle.
And therefore the speed of the shadow is much faster at the beginning and at the end.
BUT THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT !!!!!
At the beginning of the eclips the shadow is much slower than the earth's huge relative rotation at that specific point
The shadow should move very fast from east to west before slowing down and reverse it's projected path to east to west.

We should see A REVERSED SHADOW TRAVELING FROM EAST TO WEST, because right at the beginning the relative rotation of earth is much greater/'' faster'' than the steady speed of the shadow.
You can simply check it with rotating a model globe and a light source.
(http://l450v.alamy.com/450v/j5a924/blue-marble-north-america-with-clouds-j5a924.jpg)
In the beginning the shadow is much slower than earth's relative rotation in the specific rotational direction of earth's spin (moving uphill)
In the middle (''uphill'') the shadow is faster than earth's spin like we see in most animations.
It becomes infinite faster at the end (downhill) of the eclips before it ends.

What we should see is an umbra travelling west to east at the very beginning because earth's relative rotation compared to the shadow coming in from the side is at that point much greater than the steady velocity of the umbra ,.....
Very soon the shadow is catching up with earth's rotational speed and begins to overtake earth's rotational speed.

''uphill in the middle of the globe'' the shadow's speed is faster than the earth's spin.
The speed of the umbra reaches the extremes before leaving earth's globular surface.

Yep that is how a globe works when a shadow from the sides is cast towards a globe.
It doesn't matter that the moon moves itself for the same optical phenomena.
At the start of the eclips we should see an umbra from east to west,very soon fixed on the earth's surface, then moving west to east, reaching extreme speeds before it leaves the surface....
What great difference does a few days of thinking make ::)
Quote
And don't forget to present
a flat earth theory for the solar eclipse that can cause a 114 km wide umbra shadow from your 50 km diameter moon.
Do you have some sort of personal quest with Resistance.is.futile Rabinoz ?
Resistance.is.futile repeatedly said this is his topic about debunking  ''the globe and the August eclipse'',.....not ''show us a flatearth model that works''.
Call it a form of civilisation or forum etiquette to comply.

This reads like a post a wasted sandokhan would make. Try again when you're sober, right now I have no idea what you're talking about.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 08, 2017, 11:45:15 AM
The moon's orbit is around 1,500,000 miles long. A simple calculation shows the moon is travelling at around 2200 miles per hour in its orbit, which is much faster than Earth's angular velocity of around 1000 miles per hour.

Yet again you Heliocentrics fail to understand your own model.
No, you're the one who is confused.

You have rotational velocity and angular velocity confused.
Nope.  That's you again.

The Earth's alleged rotational velocity at the equator is 1000 mph and drops down to a negligable amount at the North pole.
Yup.

The Earth's Angular velocity is constant no matter what the POV is on Earth.
Two for two.

It is the Earth's angular velocity that determines what we see in the sky
In part, yes.

Watch the stars for an hour and it should be pretty evident that something isn't stationary.
Umm... If you say so.

Go stand 6 feet from a motorway and watch the cars pass you at 60 mph.  Then look up at an airliner at 33000 feet as it passes you at 550 mph.  Why does the airplane appear so much slower than the cars?
Be careful, I think that you've just debunked your own argument right there.

The answer is that the farther away something is, the farther it has to travel to cover the same angle of your vision.  An object will thus appear slower if its apparent angular speed is less - regardless of true velocity.
BINGO!!  The moon is so far away that it appears to be orbiting backwards, even though it's orbiting faster than the earth is rotating.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Truth is stranger than fiction because fiction has to make sense.



Easy. USA is 3000 miles wide. Moon travels at around 2200 miles per hour. Therefore it takes an hour and half for the moon to cross the USA.
My four year old said you need to subtract the linear speed of the earth where the shadow is forming from the moon's linear velocity, so a little over 2 hours 😉
I allready dislike this kid,.....shame on me !!!
Well, nobody likes a smart ass, so...   :P

I do not get confused like you Heliocentrics.

You have an inability to understand simple explanations or you are deceitful.

And if you read your post you will see you have rotational velocity and angular velocity confused as you claimed the angular velocity of the Earth is a 1000 mph.
You have debunked your own explanation.

Any normal person can understand that as the moon's total orbital path is 27 to 29 days and 1.5 million miles it would have to travel at least a 190000 miles to cross the USA west to east because it is 200000 miles away on your Heliocentric model and in reality the USA is nearly 3000 miles wide so we could say that is roughly 12.5% of the alleged circumfrence of your imaginary Globe which to keep it simple represents roughly 12.5% of the Moons orbital path.

In reality any normal person will know it is impossible for the Moons shadow to travel west to east as they see the Moon rise in the East and set in the West EVERYDAY.

It is also impossible as shown in the first video I posted at the start of the thread because the earth's angular velocity on your model is 27 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity.

You have failed to take into account that the Solar Eclipse is visable in the Sky and it is the Earth's alleged angular Velocity as you and your colleague's have agreed that determines what we see in the sky.

A video that describes the orbit of the Moon on your Heliocentric model.



Light travels in straight lines .

The Eclispe is caused by the moon passing between the sun and the earth.

The Sun has to be directly behind the Moon and the Earth has to be directly in front of the Moon.

An object shadow will follow the object when the light source is directly behind it.

You are now claiming the Moon moves in the opposite direction to what is observed this would be the only possible way that the Moon's shadow can move west to East when the light source which is the Sun is directly behind it.

http://www.livephysics.com/physical-constants/mechanics-pc/angular-speed-earth/

You are fooling no one with your heliocentric nonsense.

It is impossible for the path of the solar eclipse to move in completely the opposite direction to the moon.

The moon rises in the East and sets in th west.

The Solar Eclipse starts in the west and finishes if the East.

The Earth's angular velocity which Is one rotation every 24 hrs is 27 times faster than the Moon's velocity.

This is why the moon allegedly rises in the east and sets in the west.

If the Moon's velocity was greater than the angular velocity of the earth the Moon would rise in the West and set in the East it would also have to orbit the earth more than once every 24 hours to achieve this.

Here is a description of a solar eclipse on your model.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse

It clearly says the eclipse is caused when the moon passes in front of the sun.

The moon takes 27 days to orbit the earth.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon

On your model the Sun is stationary regarding it's position to the earth and the moon

.http://kidseclipse.com/sun-earth-moon-move/

I choose this link so you Stupid and gullable Heliocentric's can try to understand how and why the upcoming Solar Eclipse is impossible on your model.

It is impossible for an objects shadow to move in the opposite direction to the said object when the light source is stationary.

The only way this would be possible on your model would be if the Sun was moving millions of miles in relation to the earth and did not maintain it's alleged position in the centre of the solar system.

https://www.quora.com/Is-the-sun-the-center-of-the-solar-system-Why

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Moon to cast a shadow on the Earth that is 24 times smaller than itself.

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Solar Eclipse to move across the Earth west to East which is the opposite direction to the moon on your Heliocentric model.

Your Heliocentric model does not match reality as such your Heliocentric model is false.

Part one



Part two




The readers will make their own minds up .

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished.
 ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: dutchy on August 08, 2017, 11:47:15 AM
This reads like a post a wasted sandokhan would make. Try again when you're sober, right now I have no idea what you're talking about.
I understand it, that's what matters and it is as clear as anything !
You guys have abandoned the very characteristics of your own spinning globe when talking about a side projection.
Have fun living your delusion as long as it lasts.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: onebigmonkey on August 08, 2017, 12:20:02 PM
The Earth is orbiting the sun in an anti-clockwise direction.

The moon is orbiting the Earth in an anti-clockwise direction.

The eclipse shadow follows an anti-clockwise direction.

The reason the moon rises in the east and sets in the west is because the Earth rotates underneath it. Anti-clockwise.

The eclipse shadow is the correct size.

I'd say an idiot could understand it, but it appears not.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 08, 2017, 12:26:30 PM
The Earth is orbiting the sun in an anti-clockwise direction.

The moon is orbiting the Earth in an anti-clockwise direction.

The eclipse shadow follows an anti-clockwise direction.

The reason the moon rises in the east and sets in the west is because the Earth rotates underneath it. Anti-clockwise.

The eclipse shadow is the correct size.

I'd say an idiot could understand it, but it appears not.

Give it up your fooling no one.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 08, 2017, 12:31:20 PM
It is now the right time to address the

"Elephant in the Room"

During a Solar Eclipse why is it not possible to see the Moon pass in front of the Sun ?

Everyone has seen the Moon in the sky in the day .

I have not once seen the Moon pass in front of the Sun during a Solar Eclipse.

 ;D

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Dog on August 08, 2017, 12:39:53 PM
The shadow of the eclips is projected on a globe from the side of the globe.
Just like how the curvature doesn't drop in a slope, but in increasingly growing numbers the more distance you cover, so must the speed of the umbra vary dramatically when projected from ONE side upon earth's globular surface.
Better said,......in the beginning and the end the shadow is striking Earth at a very oblique angle.
And therefore the speed of the shadow is much faster at the beginning and at the end.
BUT THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT !!!!!
At the beginning of the eclips the shadow is much slower than the earth's huge relative rotation at that specific point
The shadow should move very fast from east to west before slowing down and reverse it's projected path to east to west.

We should see A REVERSED SHADOW TRAVELING FROM EAST TO WEST, because right at the beginning the relative rotation of earth is much greater/'' faster'' than the steady speed of the shadow.
You can simply check it with rotating a model globe and a light source.
In the beginning the shadow is much slower than earth's relative rotation in the specific rotational direction of earth's spin (moving uphill)
In the middle (''uphill'') the shadow is faster than earth's spin like we see in most animations.
It becomes infinite faster at the end (downhill) of the eclips before it ends.

What we should see is an umbra travelling east to west at the very beginning because earth's relative rotation compared to the shadow coming in from the side is at that point much greater than the steady velocity of the umbra ,.....
Very soon the shadow is catching up with earth's rotational speed and begins to overtake earth's rotational speed.

''uphill in the middle of the globe'' the shadow's speed is faster than the earth's spin.
The speed of the umbra reaches the extremes before leaving earth's globular surface.

Yep that is how a globe works when a shadow from the sides is cast towards a globe.
It doesn't matter that the moon moves itself for the same optical phenomena.
At the start of the eclips we should see an umbra from east to west,very soon fixed on the earth's surface, then moving west to east, reaching extreme speeds before it leaves the surface....
What great difference does a few days of thinking make ::)

(https://media.giphy.com/media/HX7pvh1mIqImc/giphy-downsized-large.gif)
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: markjo on August 08, 2017, 12:55:15 PM
It is now the right time to address the

"Elephant in the Room"

During a Solar Eclipse why is it not possible to see the Moon pass in front of the Sun ?
For the same reason that you can't see a new moon.

You're looking at the unlit (dark) side of the moon.

Everyone has seen the Moon in the sky in the day .
Have you seen a new moon in the sky in the day?

I have not once seen the Moon pass in front of the Sun during a Solar Eclipse.
Then what do you suppose is passing in front of the sun if not the moon?
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 08, 2017, 12:56:42 PM
You must of missed this my decrepit friend. ;)

What are you talking about?

This is my thread.

The thread is called :

Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe.  (And it has)
I don’t believe it has.  There isn’t a single proof, equation, or analytical solution of any kind.  Hand waving and making unverifiable statements doesn’t disprove anything.

It is NOT called.

Solar Eclipse explained on Flat Model.

As I have said before this will be an entirely different thread and will warrant more of my time.

You should do your own research if you are actually interested in the Flat Earth Model.

As you're Old I will give you a heads up :)

Are you familiar with the Ancient Babylonian Saros cycle ;)

This is the model that your Heliocentric brethren  have retrofitted their mathematics to.


Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
It certainly is based on the concepts of the Saros cycle.  NASA says so in the Five Millennium Canon of Solar Eclipses so I’m not sure why you think it’s such a big dea.  While Saros & Inex cycles provide a basis for an understanding of the periodicity/frequency of events, the current NASA analytical solutions use much more accurate numeric modeling based on the following:

“Based on modern theories of the Sun and the Moon constructed at the Bureau des Longitudes of Paris rather than the older Newcomb and Brown ephemerides.
Ephemerides and eclipse predictions performed in Terrestrial Dynamical Time.
Covers historical period of eclipses, as well as one millennium into the future.
Global maps for each eclipse depict the actual northern and southern limits of the Moon’s penumbral and umbral or antumbral shadows, as well as the sunrise and sunset curves.
Maps include curve of eclipse magnitude 0.5.
Maps include continental outlines with contemporary political boundaries and are large enough to identify geographic regions of eclipse visibility.
Maps are based of the most current determination of the historical values of ΔT.
Estimates of eclipse path accuracy based on the uncertainty in the value of ΔT (i.e., standard error in ΔT)”

All of which is contained in this Link (https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/5MCSE/5MCSE-Text11.pdf).

You have shown NOTHING that contradicts this document so how can you say that the eclipse of 2017 debunks anything let alone the globe?

So when the eclipse comes off exactly as described by NASA using the methodology presented in Five Millennium Canon of Solar Eclipses, you will have proved nothing.

Debunk the Canon if you can.  The math in the Canon is well understood, has accurately predicted eclipses over and over again, and its results are repeatable.  This Canon contains all the assumptions, data tables, and equations.  It is the basis for predicting not only the upcoming eclipse all eclipses for a thousand years.  Posting YouTube videos or hand waving descriptions isn’t going to cut it.  You have to attack the assumptions and the math.  Otherwise, your outta gas.

Mike

It is a big deal;  the ancient Babylonian's knew the Earth was Flat just like NASA do.

This is why as you said NASA use their model.

NASA do not have their own model because:

The Universe

The Globe

The Heliocentric model.

In reality doesn't exist it's all a fairytale.

This is why NASA have to use a 4000 year old model.

Lol.

Lol.

It is not for you to decide what " Cuts it "

I also do not care what you believe as you are not a normal person who can understand logical explanations that can be verified by anyone

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False..
All that proves nothing. If you had actually read the Canon you'd know the Saros cycle is only the basis for modeling the period and Not used actually calculating it.

If you had actually read the Canon you'd also know that everything else is based on more modern models and concepts not known to the Babylonian's...like the earth is a heliocentric globe.

If you had actually read the Canon you'd, again would know that using the Saros cycle to invalidate the methodology is just plain silly...unless of course you don't understand how it works.

Mike

Stop talking nonsense the Ancient Babylonian Saros cycle can accurately predict Eclipses.

Your Heliocentric matamatics are retrofitted to this 4000 year old model.

Lol.

Lol.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 08, 2017, 12:59:20 PM
It is now the right time to address the

"Elephant in the Room"

During a Solar Eclipse why is it not possible to see the Moon pass in front of the Sun ?
For the same reason that you can't see a new moon.

You're looking at the unlit (dark) side of the moon.

Everyone has seen the Moon in the sky in the day .
Have you seen a new moon in the sky in the day?

I have not once seen the Moon pass in front of the Sun during a Solar Eclipse.
Then what do you suppose is passing in front of the sun if not the moon?

Yes I have seen a full moon in the Sky in the day.

Are you saying the Moon is invisible in the day ?

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Sentinel on August 08, 2017, 01:01:56 PM
The shadow of the eclips is projected on a globe from the side of the globe.
Just like how the curvature doesn't drop in a slope, but in increasingly growing numbers the more distance you cover, so must the speed of the umbra vary dramatically when projected from ONE side upon earth's globular surface.
Better said,......in the beginning and the end the shadow is striking Earth at a very oblique angle.
And therefore the speed of the shadow is much faster at the beginning and at the end.
BUT THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT !!!!!
At the beginning of the eclips the shadow is much slower than the earth's huge relative rotation at that specific point
The shadow should move very fast from east to west before slowing down and reverse it's projected path to east to west.

We should see A REVERSED SHADOW TRAVELING FROM EAST TO WEST, because right at the beginning the relative rotation of earth is much greater/'' faster'' than the steady speed of the shadow.
You can simply check it with rotating a model globe and a light source.
(http://l450v.alamy.com/450v/j5a924/blue-marble-north-america-with-clouds-j5a924.jpg)
In the beginning the shadow is much slower than earth's relative rotation in the specific rotational direction of earth's spin (moving uphill)
In the middle (''uphill'') the shadow is faster than earth's spin like we see in most animations.
It becomes infinite faster at the end (downhill) of the eclips before it ends.

What we should see is an umbra travelling east to west at the very beginning because earth's relative rotation compared to the shadow coming in from the side is at that point much greater than the steady velocity of the umbra ,.....
Very soon the shadow is catching up with earth's rotational speed and begins to overtake earth's rotational speed.

''uphill in the middle of the globe'' the shadow's speed is faster than the earth's spin.
The speed of the umbra reaches the extremes before leaving earth's globular surface.

Yep that is how a globe works when a shadow from the sides is cast towards a globe.
It doesn't matter that the moon moves itself for the same optical phenomena.
At the start of the eclips we should see an umbra from east to west,very soon fixed on the earth's surface, then moving west to east, reaching extreme speeds before it leaves the surface....
What great difference does a few days of thinking make ::)

Sorry, but this is BS. Earth rotation remains constant, same goes for the lateral moving umbra/penumbra by the Moon. But since it's projected on a sphere it actually travels much faster on it's path when entering or leaving the sphere because of the curvature, and furthermore any point on the radius on a revolving Earth would reach it's peak lateral velocity when being directly aligned to any reference point (like the Sun) and the slowest (zero lateral velocity, actually) when being perpendicular, so you got that all wrong again.

Look at this:
(https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEanimate/SEanimate2001/SE2012Nov13T.GIF)

and the blue cosinus animation here:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3b/Circle_cos_sin.gif)

Now think again.  ::)
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: markjo on August 08, 2017, 01:19:12 PM
I do not get confused like you Heliocentrics.
No, you appear to get confused like an FE'er.

You have an inability to understand simple explanations or you are deceitful.
You appear to be both.

And if you read your post you will see you have rotational velocity and angular velocity confused as you claimed the angular velocity of the Earth is a 1000 mph.
You have debunked your own explanation.
Oh?  How so?

Any normal person can understand that as the moon's total orbital path is 27 to 29 days and 1.5 million miles it would have to travel at least a 190000 miles to cross the USA west to east because it is 200000 miles away on your Heliocentric model and in reality the USA is nearly 3000 miles wide so we could say that is roughly 12.5% of the alleged circumfrence of your imaginary Globe which to keep it simple represents roughly 12.5% of the Moons orbital path.
Would you care to show the math that proves what you say?

In reality any normal person will know it is impossible for the Moons shadow to travel west to east as they see the Moon rise in the East and set in the West EVERYDAY.
Well, I guess that makes me smarter than a normal person.

It is also impossible as shown in the first video I posted at the start of the thread because the earth's angular velocity on your model is 27 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity.
And you can't seem to understand that comparing the earth's angular velocity to the moon's orbital velocity is a fallacy.

You have failed to take into account that the Solar Eclipse is visable in the Sky and it is the Earth's alleged angular Velocity as you and your colleague's have agreed that determines what we see in the sky.
We see the moon transit the sun in the sky, but the moon's shadow is being cast on the earth.

A video that describes the orbit of the Moon on your Heliocentric model.

*yawn*  Yet another YouTuber that doesn't understand how orbits and circular motion work.

Light travels in straight lines .

The Eclispe is caused by the moon passing between the sun and the earth.

The Sun has to be directly behind the Moon and the Earth has to be directly in front of the Moon.

An object shadow will follow the object when the light source is directly behind it.

You are now claiming the Moon moves in the opposite direction to what is observed this would be the only possible way that the Moon's shadow can move west to East when the light source which is the Sun is directly behind it.
*yawn*  Getting too tired to respond to the rest of your tripe. 

I'll just leave you with this to ponder:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ad/Solar_eclipse_visualisation.svg/512px-Solar_eclipse_visualisation.svg.png)
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Badxtoss on August 08, 2017, 01:21:28 PM
It is now the right time to address the

"Elephant in the Room"

During a Solar Eclipse why is it not possible to see the Moon pass in front of the Sun ?
For the same reason that you can't see a new moon.

You're looking at the unlit (dark) side of the moon.

Everyone has seen the Moon in the sky in the day .
Have you seen a new moon in the sky in the day?

I have not once seen the Moon pass in front of the Sun during a Solar Eclipse.
Then what do you suppose is passing in front of the sun if not the moon?

Yes I have seen a full moon in the Sky in the day.

Are you saying the Moon is invisible in the day ?

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished.
He asked about the new moon
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: markjo on August 08, 2017, 01:30:48 PM
It is now the right time to address the

"Elephant in the Room"

During a Solar Eclipse why is it not possible to see the Moon pass in front of the Sun ?
For the same reason that you can't see a new moon.

You're looking at the unlit (dark) side of the moon.

Everyone has seen the Moon in the sky in the day .
Have you seen a new moon in the sky in the day?

I have not once seen the Moon pass in front of the Sun during a Solar Eclipse.
Then what do you suppose is passing in front of the sun if not the moon?

Yes I have seen a full moon in the Sky in the day.

Are you saying the Moon is invisible in the day ?

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished.
Are you saying that a solar eclipse can happen during a full moon?

Your arguments are getting more and more pathetic.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 08, 2017, 02:06:51 PM
I do not get confused like you Heliocentrics.
No, you appear to get confused like an FE'er.

You have an inability to understand simple explanations or you are deceitful.
You appear to be both.

And if you read your post you will see you have rotational velocity and angular velocity confused as you claimed the angular velocity of the Earth is a 1000 mph.
You have debunked your own explanation.
Oh?  How so?

Any normal person can understand that as the moon's total orbital path is 27 to 29 days and 1.5 million miles it would have to travel at least a 190000 miles to cross the USA west to east because it is 200000 miles away on your Heliocentric model and in reality the USA is nearly 3000 miles wide so we could say that is roughly 12.5% of the alleged circumfrence of your imaginary Globe which to keep it simple represents roughly 12.5% of the Moons orbital path.
Would you care to show the math that proves what you say?

In reality any normal person will know it is impossible for the Moons shadow to travel west to east as they see the Moon rise in the East and set in the West EVERYDAY.
Well, I guess that makes me smarter than a normal person.

It is also impossible as shown in the first video I posted at the start of the thread because the earth's angular velocity on your model is 27 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity.
And you can't seem to understand that comparing the earth's angular velocity to the moon's orbital velocity is a fallacy.

You have failed to take into account that the Solar Eclipse is visable in the Sky and it is the Earth's alleged angular Velocity as you and your colleague's have agreed that determines what we see in the sky.
We see the moon transit the sun in the sky, but the moon's shadow is being cast on the earth.

A video that describes the orbit of the Moon on your Heliocentric model.

*yawn*  Yet another YouTuber that doesn't understand how orbits and circular motion work.

Light travels in straight lines .

The Eclispe is caused by the moon passing between the sun and the earth.

The Sun has to be directly behind the Moon and the Earth has to be directly in front of the Moon.

An object shadow will follow the object when the light source is directly behind it.

You are now claiming the Moon moves in the opposite direction to what is observed this would be the only possible way that the Moon's shadow can move west to East when the light source which is the Sun is directly behind it.
*yawn*  Getting too tired to respond to the rest of your tripe. 

I'll just leave you with this to ponder:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ad/Solar_eclipse_visualisation.svg/512px-Solar_eclipse_visualisation.svg.png)

You are not very intelligent are you?

All you had to do is admit you made a mistake.

It would seem you Heliocentrics are incapable of  doing this.

You and your Heliocentric brethren have said the angular velocity of the earth is a 1000 mph .

This can be verified by the readers in the qoute above.

Angular velocity is measured in radians.

http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/angular-velocity-rotational-velocity

It is you and your brethren  that are confused.

I do not get confused like you Heliocentrics.

You have an inability to understand simple explanations or you are deceitful.

And if you read your post you will see you have rotational velocity and angular velocity confused as you claimed the angular velocity of the Earth is a 1000 mph.
You have debunked your own explanation.

Any normal person can understand that as the moon's total orbital path is 27 to 29 days and 1.5 million miles it would have to travel at least a 190000 miles to cross the USA west to east because it is 200000 miles away on your Heliocentric model and in reality the USA is nearly 3000 miles wide so we could say that is roughly 12.5% of the alleged circumfrence of your imaginary Globe which to keep it simple represents roughly 12.5% of the Moons orbital path.

In reality any normal person will know it is impossible for the Moons shadow to travel west to east as they see the Moon rise in the East and set in the West EVERYDAY.

It is also impossible as shown in the first video I posted at the start of the thread because the earth's angular velocity on your model is 27 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity.

You have failed to take into account that the Solar Eclipse is visable in the Sky and it is the Earth's alleged angular Velocity as you and your colleague's have agreed that determines what we see in the sky.

A video that describes the orbit of the Moon on your Heliocentric model.



Light travels in straight lines .

The Eclispe is caused by the moon passing between the sun and the earth.

The Sun has to be directly behind the Moon and the Earth has to be directly in front of the Moon.

An object shadow will follow the object when the light source is directly behind it.

You are now claiming the Moon moves in the opposite direction to what is observed this would be the only possible way that the Moon's shadow can move west to East when the light source which is the Sun is directly behind it.

http://www.livephysics.com/physical-constants/mechanics-pc/angular-speed-earth/

You are fooling no one with your heliocentric nonsense.

It is impossible for the path of the solar eclipse to move in completely the opposite direction to the moon.

The moon rises in the East and sets in th west.

The Solar Eclipse starts in the west and finishes if the East.

The Earth's angular velocity which Is one rotation every 24 hrs is 27 times faster than the Moon's velocity.

This is why the moon allegedly rises in the east and sets in the west.

If the Moon's velocity was greater than the angular velocity of the earth the Moon would rise in the West and set in the East it would also have to orbit the earth more than once every 24 hours to achieve this.

Here is a description of a solar eclipse on your model.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse

It clearly says the eclipse is caused when the moon passes in front of the sun.

The moon takes 27 days to orbit the earth.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon

On your model the Sun is stationary regarding it's position to the earth and the moon

.http://kidseclipse.com/sun-earth-moon-move/

I choose this link so you Stupid and gullable Heliocentric's can try to understand how and why the upcoming Solar Eclipse is impossible on your model.

It is impossible for an objects shadow to move in the opposite direction to the said object when the light source is stationary.

The only way this would be possible on your model would be if the Sun was moving millions of miles in relation to the earth and did not maintain it's alleged position in the centre of the solar system.

https://www.quora.com/Is-the-sun-the-center-of-the-solar-system-Why

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Moon to cast a shadow on the Earth that is 24 times smaller than itself.

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Solar Eclipse to move across the Earth west to East which is the opposite direction to the moon on your Heliocentric model.

Your Heliocentric model does not match reality as such your Heliocentric model is false.

Part one



Part two




The readers will make their own minds up .

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished.
 ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 08, 2017, 02:20:30 PM
I thought I would give you Heliocentrics some " food for thought "
There are millions of Americans that know the true shape of the Earth.

On th 21.08.17 Solar Eclispe 1000's of these people will send high altitude weather balloons up to over a 100000 feet.

These high altitude weather balloons will show the Eclisped Sun from high altitude they will also show the Moon which will be 180 degrees away from the Eclisped Sun.

These Videos will completely debunk your Heliocentric fairytale just as I have done in this thread.

Enjoy the next 13 days

Lol.

Lol.

I wrote a bit of a theatrical sketch yesterday but wasted it on another thread.


RIF :

The upcoming Solar Eclipse is impossible on your model.

ty:

What are you talking about?

You lunatic !

Have you been on those Disco beans?

RIF :

No I don't touch recreational drugs.


The Sun is relatively stationary to the Earth.

The Moon takes 27 days to orbit the earth .

That said if the Earth's angular velocity was zero it would be impossible to see the Moon move with the naked eye.

With that in mind let's say the Moon is in reality moving extremely slowly around the Earth.

ty :

Yes I agree and your point is ?

RIF :

As the Sun is stationary and gigantic on your heliocentric model  and the Moon in reality moves extremely slowly and the cause of a solar Eclispe on your model is when the Moon "PASSES" between the Sun and the Earth it would be impossible for the Eclispe to last a few minutes on your model.

It would also be impossible for the Shadow which is 24 times smaller than the Moon itself to move west to east across the USA in a matter of hours.

We know in reality as the Moon takes 27 days to orbit the Earth it would take nearly a week to travel  across the USA.

ty

Your wrong RIF you have forgot about the angular velocity of the Earth
which Is 27 times greater than the actual velocity of the Moon this causes the Moon to rise in the East and Set in the west.

RIF :

Yes that is correct ty if you look out your window you will see that the Moon rises in the East and sets in the west this is due to the angular velocity of the earth now you have grasped how your model works you will understand that the Sun is directly behind the Moon and the Earth is directly in front of the Moon as light travels in straight lines the only place for the Moon's shadow to be is directly underneath it.

ty

I see now RIF you are right!

It would seem these Heliocentric's will say anything to defend their religion even if it's nonsensical and contradict's their model .

RIF

Agreed.

The End.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False. 

 ;D ;D ;D
Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Crutchwater on August 08, 2017, 02:23:04 PM
You will need to stare directly at the sun without any type of filters or lenses....


Be sure to stare for the entire duration.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 08, 2017, 02:29:38 PM
You will need to stare directly at the sun without any type of filters or lenses....


Be sure to stare for the entire duration.

That wouldn't do anything to me .
 ;)

My Father is from the carribean.

I have strong skin and strong eyes that have a natural defense against the Sun's rays.

 ;D

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on August 08, 2017, 02:34:40 PM
RIF is a complete dumbass if he doesn't know that staring directly at the total eclipsed sun will literally blind you.

Edit: Staring at the fully eclipsed sun is fine, just not before or after.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: MicroBeta on August 08, 2017, 02:36:49 PM
You must of missed this my decrepit friend. ;)

What are you talking about?

This is my thread.

The thread is called :

Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe.  (And it has)
I don’t believe it has.  There isn’t a single proof, equation, or analytical solution of any kind.  Hand waving and making unverifiable statements doesn’t disprove anything.

It is NOT called.

Solar Eclipse explained on Flat Model.

As I have said before this will be an entirely different thread and will warrant more of my time.

You should do your own research if you are actually interested in the Flat Earth Model.

As you're Old I will give you a heads up :)

Are you familiar with the Ancient Babylonian Saros cycle ;)

This is the model that your Heliocentric brethren  have retrofitted their mathematics to.


Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
It certainly is based on the concepts of the Saros cycle.  NASA says so in the Five Millennium Canon of Solar Eclipses so I’m not sure why you think it’s such a big dea.  While Saros & Inex cycles provide a basis for an understanding of the periodicity/frequency of events, the current NASA analytical solutions use much more accurate numeric modeling based on the following:

“Based on modern theories of the Sun and the Moon constructed at the Bureau des Longitudes of Paris rather than the older Newcomb and Brown ephemerides.
Ephemerides and eclipse predictions performed in Terrestrial Dynamical Time.
Covers historical period of eclipses, as well as one millennium into the future.
Global maps for each eclipse depict the actual northern and southern limits of the Moon’s penumbral and umbral or antumbral shadows, as well as the sunrise and sunset curves.
Maps include curve of eclipse magnitude 0.5.
Maps include continental outlines with contemporary political boundaries and are large enough to identify geographic regions of eclipse visibility.
Maps are based of the most current determination of the historical values of ΔT.
Estimates of eclipse path accuracy based on the uncertainty in the value of ΔT (i.e., standard error in ΔT)”

All of which is contained in this Link (https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/5MCSE/5MCSE-Text11.pdf).

You have shown NOTHING that contradicts this document so how can you say that the eclipse of 2017 debunks anything let alone the globe?

So when the eclipse comes off exactly as described by NASA using the methodology presented in Five Millennium Canon of Solar Eclipses, you will have proved nothing.

Debunk the Canon if you can.  The math in the Canon is well understood, has accurately predicted eclipses over and over again, and its results are repeatable.  This Canon contains all the assumptions, data tables, and equations.  It is the basis for predicting not only the upcoming eclipse all eclipses for a thousand years.  Posting YouTube videos or hand waving descriptions isn’t going to cut it.  You have to attack the assumptions and the math.  Otherwise, your outta gas.

Mike

It is a big deal;  the ancient Babylonian's knew the Earth was Flat just like NASA do.

This is why as you said NASA use their model.

NASA do not have their own model because:

The Universe

The Globe

The Heliocentric model.

In reality doesn't exist it's all a fairytale.

This is why NASA have to use a 4000 year old model.

Lol.

Lol.

It is not for you to decide what " Cuts it "

I also do not care what you believe as you are not a normal person who can understand logical explanations that can be verified by anyone

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False..
All that proves nothing. If you had actually read the Canon you'd know the Saros cycle is only the basis for modeling the period and Not used actually calculating it.

If you had actually read the Canon you'd also know that everything else is based on more modern models and concepts not known to the Babylonian's...like the earth is a heliocentric globe.

If you had actually read the Canon you'd, again would know that using the Saros cycle to invalidate the methodology is just plain silly...unless of course you don't understand how it works.

Mike

Stop talking nonsense the Ancient Babylonian Saros cycle can accurately predict Eclipses.

Your Heliocentric matamatics are retrofitted to this 4000 year old model.

Lol.

Lol.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished.
You're too funny. Your just repeating yourself without anything to back it up.

It's obvious you haven't read the document because it completely contradicts your comments.

How can you have any credibility of you can't even be bothered to fake
it and make you claims match the Canon.

You just keep up with the hand waving because it seems that's all you're willing to do.

Mike
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 08, 2017, 03:04:19 PM
You must of missed this my decrepit friend. ;)

What are you talking about?

This is my thread.

The thread is called :

Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe.  (And it has)
I don’t believe it has.  There isn’t a single proof, equation, or analytical solution of any kind.  Hand waving and making unverifiable statements doesn’t disprove anything.

It is NOT called.

Solar Eclipse explained on Flat Model.

As I have said before this will be an entirely different thread and will warrant more of my time.

You should do your own research if you are actually interested in the Flat Earth Model.

As you're Old I will give you a heads up :)

Are you familiar with the Ancient Babylonian Saros cycle ;)

This is the model that your Heliocentric brethren  have retrofitted their mathematics to.


Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
It certainly is based on the concepts of the Saros cycle.  NASA says so in the Five Millennium Canon of Solar Eclipses so I’m not sure why you think it’s such a big dea.  While Saros & Inex cycles provide a basis for an understanding of the periodicity/frequency of events, the current NASA analytical solutions use much more accurate numeric modeling based on the following:

“Based on modern theories of the Sun and the Moon constructed at the Bureau des Longitudes of Paris rather than the older Newcomb and Brown ephemerides.
Ephemerides and eclipse predictions performed in Terrestrial Dynamical Time.
Covers historical period of eclipses, as well as one millennium into the future.
Global maps for each eclipse depict the actual northern and southern limits of the Moon’s penumbral and umbral or antumbral shadows, as well as the sunrise and sunset curves.
Maps include curve of eclipse magnitude 0.5.
Maps include continental outlines with contemporary political boundaries and are large enough to identify geographic regions of eclipse visibility.
Maps are based of the most current determination of the historical values of ΔT.
Estimates of eclipse path accuracy based on the uncertainty in the value of ΔT (i.e., standard error in ΔT)”

All of which is contained in this Link (https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/5MCSE/5MCSE-Text11.pdf).

You have shown NOTHING that contradicts this document so how can you say that the eclipse of 2017 debunks anything let alone the globe?

So when the eclipse comes off exactly as described by NASA using the methodology presented in Five Millennium Canon of Solar Eclipses, you will have proved nothing.

Debunk the Canon if you can.  The math in the Canon is well understood, has accurately predicted eclipses over and over again, and its results are repeatable.  This Canon contains all the assumptions, data tables, and equations.  It is the basis for predicting not only the upcoming eclipse all eclipses for a thousand years.  Posting YouTube videos or hand waving descriptions isn’t going to cut it.  You have to attack the assumptions and the math.  Otherwise, your outta gas.

Mike

It is a big deal;  the ancient Babylonian's knew the Earth was Flat just like NASA do.

This is why as you said NASA use their model.

NASA do not have their own model because:

The Universe

The Globe

The Heliocentric model.

In reality doesn't exist it's all a fairytale.

This is why NASA have to use a 4000 year old model.

Lol.

Lol.

It is not for you to decide what " Cuts it "

I also do not care what you believe as you are not a normal person who can understand logical explanations that can be verified by anyone

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False..
All that proves nothing. If you had actually read the Canon you'd know the Saros cycle is only the basis for modeling the period and Not used actually calculating it.

If you had actually read the Canon you'd also know that everything else is based on more modern models and concepts not known to the Babylonian's...like the earth is a heliocentric globe.

If you had actually read the Canon you'd, again would know that using the Saros cycle to invalidate the methodology is just plain silly...unless of course you don't understand how it works.

Mike

Stop talking nonsense the Ancient Babylonian Saros cycle can accurately predict Eclipses.

Your Heliocentric matamatics are retrofitted to this 4000 year old model.

Lol.

Lol.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished.
You're too funny. Your just repeating yourself without anything to back it up.

It's obvious you haven't read the document because it completely contradicts your comments.

How can you have any credibility of you can't even be bothered to fake
it and make you claims match the Canon.

You just keep up with the hand waving because it seems that's all you're willing to do.

Mike
You Heliocentrics are very strange you post some form of nonsense then ask me to argue about it.

Why should I make my claims match the Canon?


The Ancient Babylonian Saros cycle.

The Ancient Babylonian's could predict Eclispes to the second.

The Ancient Babylonian's could predict the exact location of an Eclipse.

The Ancient Babylonian's could predict  Eclipses thousands of years into their future.

The Ancient Babylonian's knew the Earth was Flat.

The Ancient Babylonian's existed overy 4000 years ago.

You have admitted yourself that NASA use this Saros cycle.

This is because NASA know the Earth is Flat just as the Babylonian's did.

http://members.bitstream.net/bunlion/bpi/EclSaros.html

As I have said I will cover this in great detail shortly in the future when I have the time.



Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Badxtoss on August 08, 2017, 03:57:58 PM
You must of missed this my decrepit friend. ;)

What are you talking about?

This is my thread.

The thread is called :

Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe.  (And it has)
I don’t believe it has.  There isn’t a single proof, equation, or analytical solution of any kind.  Hand waving and making unverifiable statements doesn’t disprove anything.

It is NOT called.

Solar Eclipse explained on Flat Model.

As I have said before this will be an entirely different thread and will warrant more of my time.

You should do your own research if you are actually interested in the Flat Earth Model.

As you're Old I will give you a heads up :)

Are you familiar with the Ancient Babylonian Saros cycle ;)

This is the model that your Heliocentric brethren  have retrofitted their mathematics to.


Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
It certainly is based on the concepts of the Saros cycle.  NASA says so in the Five Millennium Canon of Solar Eclipses so I’m not sure why you think it’s such a big dea.  While Saros & Inex cycles provide a basis for an understanding of the periodicity/frequency of events, the current NASA analytical solutions use much more accurate numeric modeling based on the following:

“Based on modern theories of the Sun and the Moon constructed at the Bureau des Longitudes of Paris rather than the older Newcomb and Brown ephemerides.
Ephemerides and eclipse predictions performed in Terrestrial Dynamical Time.
Covers historical period of eclipses, as well as one millennium into the future.
Global maps for each eclipse depict the actual northern and southern limits of the Moon’s penumbral and umbral or antumbral shadows, as well as the sunrise and sunset curves.
Maps include curve of eclipse magnitude 0.5.
Maps include continental outlines with contemporary political boundaries and are large enough to identify geographic regions of eclipse visibility.
Maps are based of the most current determination of the historical values of ΔT.
Estimates of eclipse path accuracy based on the uncertainty in the value of ΔT (i.e., standard error in ΔT)”

All of which is contained in this Link (https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/5MCSE/5MCSE-Text11.pdf).

You have shown NOTHING that contradicts this document so how can you say that the eclipse of 2017 debunks anything let alone the globe?

So when the eclipse comes off exactly as described by NASA using the methodology presented in Five Millennium Canon of Solar Eclipses, you will have proved nothing.

Debunk the Canon if you can.  The math in the Canon is well understood, has accurately predicted eclipses over and over again, and its results are repeatable.  This Canon contains all the assumptions, data tables, and equations.  It is the basis for predicting not only the upcoming eclipse all eclipses for a thousand years.  Posting YouTube videos or hand waving descriptions isn’t going to cut it.  You have to attack the assumptions and the math.  Otherwise, your outta gas.

Mike

It is a big deal;  the ancient Babylonian's knew the Earth was Flat just like NASA do.

This is why as you said NASA use their model.

NASA do not have their own model because:

The Universe

The Globe

The Heliocentric model.

In reality doesn't exist it's all a fairytale.

This is why NASA have to use a 4000 year old model.

Lol.

Lol.

It is not for you to decide what " Cuts it "

I also do not care what you believe as you are not a normal person who can understand logical explanations that can be verified by anyone

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False..
All that proves nothing. If you had actually read the Canon you'd know the Saros cycle is only the basis for modeling the period and Not used actually calculating it.

If you had actually read the Canon you'd also know that everything else is based on more modern models and concepts not known to the Babylonian's...like the earth is a heliocentric globe.

If you had actually read the Canon you'd, again would know that using the Saros cycle to invalidate the methodology is just plain silly...unless of course you don't understand how it works.

Mike

Stop talking nonsense the Ancient Babylonian Saros cycle can accurately predict Eclipses.

Your Heliocentric matamatics are retrofitted to this 4000 year old model.

Lol.

Lol.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished.
You're too funny. Your just repeating yourself without anything to back it up.

It's obvious you haven't read the document because it completely contradicts your comments.

How can you have any credibility of you can't even be bothered to fake
it and make you claims match the Canon.

You just keep up with the hand waving because it seems that's all you're willing to do.

Mike
You Heliocentrics are very strange you post some form of nonsense then ask me to argue about it.

Why should I make my claims match the Canon?


The Ancient Babylonian Saros cycle.

The Ancient Babylonian's could predict Eclispes to the second.

The Ancient Babylonian's could predict the exact location of an Eclipse.

The Ancient Babylonian's could predict  Eclipses thousands of years into their future.

The Ancient Babylonian's knew the Earth was Flat.

The Ancient Babylonian's existed overy 4000 years ago.

You have admitted yourself that NASA use this Saros cycle.

This is because NASA know the Earth is Flat just as the Babylonian's did.

http://members.bitstream.net/bunlion/bpi/EclSaros.html

As I have said I will cover this in great detail shortly in the future when I have the time.



Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
I don't know what you think that video proves but it certainly doesn't debunk round earth or the reason for eclipses.
And the section on Crepuscular rays was laughable considering how often flat earthers throw around perspective.
There's just a lot wrong there and a lot that doesn't fit observable reality.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: MouseWalker on August 08, 2017, 04:01:48 PM
I think you need to read each of your references over again, and over again, until you understand what is really  there. just part of a reference follows.

Path
During a central eclipse, the Moon's umbra (or antumbra, in the case of an annular eclipse) moves rapidly from west to east across the Earth. The Earth is also rotating from west to east, at about 28 km/min at the Equator, but as the Moon is moving in the same direction as the Earth's spin at about 61 km/min, the umbra almost always appears to move in a roughly west-east direction across a map of the Earth at the speed of the Moon's orbital velocity minus the Earth's rotational velocity.[24]
The width of the track of a central eclipse varies according to the relative apparent diameters of the Sun and Moon. In the most favourable circumstances, when a total eclipse occurs very close to perigee, the track can be up to 267 km (166 mi) wide and the duration of totality may be over 7 minutes.[25] Outside of the central track, a partial eclipse is seen over a much larger area of the Earth. Typically, the umbra is 100–160 km wide, while the penumbral diameter is in excess of 6400 km.[26]
“ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse

 it is apparent that you don’t understand what was stated above, since that you say that is impossible.
 
let us take another look at it.
The apparent motion of all solar objects, sun, moon, planets, and stars; Is due to the rotation of earth. There are other motions to be considered.
all the planets orbit around the sun, Earth being one of them.
 The moon orbiting the Earth in a counterclockwise motion.
The Earth rotation in a counterclockwise rotation.
The counter clockwise rotation of Earth Is why we have the appearance of the sun and moon rising in the east. When you compare the motion of the Sun and Moon, you will see that the moon moves from west to east, you ask how was this? Pick a time, anytime, Mark the Moon location, in 24 hours, once again mark the Moon location, repeat the process; and you will note the moon moves from west to east on a daily basis.
 with a waning moon,  it will be seen during the day,  coming close to a  new moon,  the solar eclipse, happens at the new moon.  with the moon moving from west to east, for that short time the shadow crosses the earth, as the moon moves to the east.  the rotation of the earth,  only changes the time and location of where the shadow is cast.  This is the results of all the numbers,  that have been stated before and elsewhere,  if I were to try to put the numbers in they just would  cloud the issue.
In 14 days  this eclipse  will be over, and its motion will be as predicted, proving that the earth is a globe.  and I am sure that you will be able to find  a live broadcast,  on TV or cable or  Internet.

Here is the real kicker the stars
“This eclipse will give you a fine opportunity to gauge the brightness of the sky, because during totality observers will be able to briefly see the stars and constellations that are visible at night during the opposite season – that is, late February.  
Indeed, stretched across the western and southwestern sky will be the bright stars of the winter season: Orion and his retinue, Canis Major and Minor, Gemini, Auriga, and Taurus. Each of these constellations contains at least one star of magnitude 1 or greater. However, August can be rather hazy, especially over the southeast U.S. If this is the case, the sky background may be quite bright even at mid-totality, and Venus may be the only visible object.”
 [The Brightest Stars in the Sky: A Starry Countdown]
https://www.space.com/36721-stars-planets-visible-during-solar-eclipse.html

Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 08, 2017, 04:14:09 PM
I do not get confused like you Heliocentrics.
No, you appear to get confused like an FE'er.

You have an inability to understand simple explanations or you are deceitful.
You appear to be both.

And if you read your post you will see you have rotational velocity and angular velocity confused as you claimed the angular velocity of the Earth is a 1000 mph.
You have debunked your own explanation.
Oh?  How so?

Any normal person can understand that as the moon's total orbital path is 27 to 29 days and 1.5 million miles it would have to travel at least a 190000 miles to cross the USA west to east because it is 200000 miles away on your Heliocentric model and in reality the USA is nearly 3000 miles wide so we could say that is roughly 12.5% of the alleged circumfrence of your imaginary Globe which to keep it simple represents roughly 12.5% of the Moons orbital path.
Would you care to show the math that proves what you say?

In reality any normal person will know it is impossible for the Moons shadow to travel west to east as they see the Moon rise in the East and set in the West EVERYDAY.
Well, I guess that makes me smarter than a normal person.

It is also impossible as shown in the first video I posted at the start of the thread because the earth's angular velocity on your model is 27 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity.
And you can't seem to understand that comparing the earth's angular velocity to the moon's orbital velocity is a fallacy.

You have failed to take into account that the Solar Eclipse is visable in the Sky and it is the Earth's alleged angular Velocity as you and your colleague's have agreed that determines what we see in the sky.
We see the moon transit the sun in the sky, but the moon's shadow is being cast on the earth.

A video that describes the orbit of the Moon on your Heliocentric model.

*yawn*  Yet another YouTuber that doesn't understand how orbits and circular motion work.

Light travels in straight lines .

The Eclispe is caused by the moon passing between the sun and the earth.

The Sun has to be directly behind the Moon and the Earth has to be directly in front of the Moon.

An object shadow will follow the object when the light source is directly behind it.

You are now claiming the Moon moves in the opposite direction to what is observed this would be the only possible way that the Moon's shadow can move west to East when the light source which is the Sun is directly behind it.
*yawn*  Getting too tired to respond to the rest of your tripe. 

I'll just leave you with this to ponder:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ad/Solar_eclipse_visualisation.svg/512px-Solar_eclipse_visualisation.svg.png)

You are not very intelligent are you?

All you had to do is admit you made a mistake.

It would seem you Heliocentrics are incapable of  doing this.

You and your Heliocentric brethren have said the angular velocity of the earth is a 1000 mph .

This can be verified by the readers in the qoute above.

Angular velocity is measured in radians.

http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/angular-velocity-rotational-velocity

It is you and your brethren  that are confused.

I do not get confused like you Heliocentrics.

You have an inability to understand simple explanations or you are deceitful.

And if you read your post you will see you have rotational velocity and angular velocity confused as you claimed the angular velocity of the Earth is a 1000 mph.
You have debunked your own explanation.

Any normal person can understand that as the moon's total orbital path is 27 to 29 days and 1.5 million miles it would have to travel at least a 190000 miles to cross the USA west to east because it is 200000 miles away on your Heliocentric model and in reality the USA is nearly 3000 miles wide so we could say that is roughly 12.5% of the alleged circumfrence of your imaginary Globe which to keep it simple represents roughly 12.5% of the Moons orbital path.

In reality any normal person will know it is impossible for the Moons shadow to travel west to east as they see the Moon rise in the East and set in the West EVERYDAY.

It is also impossible as shown in the first video I posted at the start of the thread because the earth's angular velocity on your model is 27 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity.

You have failed to take into account that the Solar Eclipse is visable in the Sky and it is the Earth's alleged angular Velocity as you and your colleague's have agreed that determines what we see in the sky.

A video that describes the orbit of the Moon on your Heliocentric model.



Light travels in straight lines .

The Eclispe is caused by the moon passing between the sun and the earth.

The Sun has to be directly behind the Moon and the Earth has to be directly in front of the Moon.

An object shadow will follow the object when the light source is directly behind it.

You are now claiming the Moon moves in the opposite direction to what is observed this would be the only possible way that the Moon's shadow can move west to East when the light source which is the Sun is directly behind it.

http://www.livephysics.com/physical-constants/mechanics-pc/angular-speed-earth/

You are fooling no one with your heliocentric nonsense.

It is impossible for the path of the solar eclipse to move in completely the opposite direction to the moon.

The moon rises in the East and sets in th west.

The Solar Eclipse starts in the west and finishes if the East.

The Earth's angular velocity which Is one rotation every 24 hrs is 27 times faster than the Moon's velocity.

This is why the moon allegedly rises in the east and sets in the west.

If the Moon's velocity was greater than the angular velocity of the earth the Moon would rise in the West and set in the East it would also have to orbit the earth more than once every 24 hours to achieve this.

Here is a description of a solar eclipse on your model.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse

It clearly says the eclipse is caused when the moon passes in front of the sun.

The moon takes 27 days to orbit the earth.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon

On your model the Sun is stationary regarding it's position to the earth and the moon

.http://kidseclipse.com/sun-earth-moon-move/

I choose this link so you Stupid and gullable Heliocentric's can try to understand how and why the upcoming Solar Eclipse is impossible on your model.

It is impossible for an objects shadow to move in the opposite direction to the said object when the light source is stationary.

The only way this would be possible on your model would be if the Sun was moving millions of miles in relation to the earth and did not maintain it's alleged position in the centre of the solar system.

https://www.quora.com/Is-the-sun-the-center-of-the-solar-system-Why

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Moon to cast a shadow on the Earth that is 24 times smaller than itself.

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Solar Eclipse to move across the Earth west to East which is the opposite direction to the moon on your Heliocentric model.

Your Heliocentric model does not match reality as such your Heliocentric model is false.

Part one



Part two




The readers will make their own minds up .

Jerimiah 5 : 21

Hear this, you foolish and senseless people, who have eyes but do not see, who have ears but do not hear:

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished.
 ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: MouseWalker on August 08, 2017, 04:35:03 PM
I do not get confused like you Heliocentrics.
No, you appear to get confused like an FE'er.

You have an inability to understand simple explanations or you are deceitful.
You appear to be both.

And if you read your post you will see you have rotational velocity and angular velocity confused as you claimed the angular velocity of the Earth is a 1000 mph.
You have debunked your own explanation.
Oh?  How so?

Any normal person can understand that as the moon's total orbital path is 27 to 29 days and 1.5 million miles it would have to travel at least a 190000 miles to cross the USA west to east because it is 200000 miles away on your Heliocentric model and in reality the USA is nearly 3000 miles wide so we could say that is roughly 12.5% of the alleged circumfrence of your imaginary Globe which to keep it simple represents roughly 12.5% of the Moons orbital path.
Would you care to show the math that proves what you say?

In reality any normal person will know it is impossible for the Moons shadow to travel west to east as they see the Moon rise in the East and set in the West EVERYDAY.
Well, I guess that makes me smarter than a normal person.

It is also impossible as shown in the first video I posted at the start of the thread because the earth's angular velocity on your model is 27 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity.
And you can't seem to understand that comparing the earth's angular velocity to the moon's orbital velocity is a fallacy.

You have failed to take into account that the Solar Eclipse is visable in the Sky and it is the Earth's alleged angular Velocity as you and your colleague's have agreed that determines what we see in the sky.
We see the moon transit the sun in the sky, but the moon's shadow is being cast on the earth.

A video that describes the orbit of the Moon on your Heliocentric model.

*yawn*  Yet another YouTuber that doesn't understand how orbits and circular motion work.

Light travels in straight lines .

The Eclispe is caused by the moon passing between the sun and the earth.

The Sun has to be directly behind the Moon and the Earth has to be directly in front of the Moon.

An object shadow will follow the object when the light source is directly behind it.

You are now claiming the Moon moves in the opposite direction to what is observed this would be the only possible way that the Moon's shadow can move west to East when the light source which is the Sun is directly behind it.
*yawn*  Getting too tired to respond to the rest of your tripe. 

I'll just leave you with this to ponder:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ad/Solar_eclipse_visualisation.svg/512px-Solar_eclipse_visualisation.svg.png)

You are not very intelligent are you?

All you had to do is admit you made a mistake.

It would seem you Heliocentrics are incapable of  doing this.

You and your Heliocentric brethren have said the angular velocity of the earth is a 1000 mph .

This can be verified by the readers in the qoute above.

Angular velocity is measured in radians.

http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/angular-velocity-rotational-velocity

It is you and your brethren  that are confused.

I do not get confused like you Heliocentrics.

You have an inability to understand simple explanations or you are deceitful.

And if you read your post you will see you have rotational velocity and angular velocity confused as you claimed the angular velocity of the Earth is a 1000 mph.
You have debunked your own explanation.

Any normal person can understand that as the moon's total orbital path is 27 to 29 days and 1.5 million miles it would have to travel at least a 190000 miles to cross the USA west to east because it is 200000 miles away on your Heliocentric model and in reality the USA is nearly 3000 miles wide so we could say that is roughly 12.5% of the alleged circumfrence of your imaginary Globe which to keep it simple represents roughly 12.5% of the Moons orbital path.

In reality any normal person will know it is impossible for the Moons shadow to travel west to east as they see the Moon rise in the East and set in the West EVERYDAY.

It is also impossible as shown in the first video I posted at the start of the thread because the earth's angular velocity on your model is 27 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity.

You have failed to take into account that the Solar Eclipse is visable in the Sky and it is the Earth's alleged angular Velocity as you and your colleague's have agreed that determines what we see in the sky.

A video that describes the orbit of the Moon on your Heliocentric model.



Light travels in straight lines .

The Eclispe is caused by the moon passing between the sun and the earth.

The Sun has to be directly behind the Moon and the Earth has to be directly in front of the Moon.

An object shadow will follow the object when the light source is directly behind it.

You are now claiming the Moon moves in the opposite direction to what is observed this would be the only possible way that the Moon's shadow can move west to East when the light source which is the Sun is directly behind it.

http://www.livephysics.com/physical-constants/mechanics-pc/angular-speed-earth/

You are fooling no one with your heliocentric nonsense.

It is impossible for the path of the solar eclipse to move in completely the opposite direction to the moon.

The moon rises in the East and sets in th west.

The Solar Eclipse starts in the west and finishes if the East.

The Earth's angular velocity which Is one rotation every 24 hrs is 27 times faster than the Moon's velocity.

This is why the moon allegedly rises in the east and sets in the west.

If the Moon's velocity was greater than the angular velocity of the earth the Moon would rise in the West and set in the East it would also have to orbit the earth more than once every 24 hours to achieve this.

Here is a description of a solar eclipse on your model.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse

It clearly says the eclipse is caused when the moon passes in front of the sun.

The moon takes 27 days to orbit the earth.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon

On your model the Sun is stationary regarding it's position to the earth and the moon

.http://kidseclipse.com/sun-earth-moon-move/

I choose this link so you Stupid and gullable Heliocentric's can try to understand how and why the upcoming Solar Eclipse is impossible on your model.

It is impossible for an objects shadow to move in the opposite direction to the said object when the light source is stationary.

The only way this would be possible on your model would be if the Sun was moving millions of miles in relation to the earth and did not maintain it's alleged position in the centre of the solar system.

https://www.quora.com/Is-the-sun-the-center-of-the-solar-system-Why

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Moon to cast a shadow on the Earth that is 24 times smaller than itself.

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Solar Eclipse to move across the Earth west to East which is the opposite direction to the moon on your Heliocentric model.

Your Heliocentric model does not match reality as such your Heliocentric model is false.

Part one



Part two




The readers will make their own minds up .

Jerimiah 5 : 21

Hear this, you foolish and senseless people, who have eyes but do not see, who have ears but do not hear:

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished.
 ;D ;D ;D

 Was that meant to be a response to my post? If not please respond to this
Resistance.is.Futile

I think you need to read each of your references over again, and over again, until you understand what is really  there. just part of a reference follows.

Path
During a central eclipse, the Moon's umbra (or antumbra, in the case of an annular eclipse) moves rapidly from west to east across the Earth. The Earth is also rotating from west to east, at about 28 km/min at the Equator, but as the Moon is moving in the same direction as the Earth's spin at about 61 km/min, the umbra almost always appears to move in a roughly west-east direction across a map of the Earth at the speed of the Moon's orbital velocity minus the Earth's rotational velocity.[24]
The width of the track of a central eclipse varies according to the relative apparent diameters of the Sun and Moon. In the most favourable circumstances, when a total eclipse occurs very close to perigee, the track can be up to 267 km (166 mi) wide and the duration of totality may be over 7 minutes.[25] Outside of the central track, a partial eclipse is seen over a much larger area of the Earth. Typically, the umbra is 100–160 km wide, while the penumbral diameter is in excess of 6400 km.[26]
“ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse

It is apparent that you don’t understand what was stated above, since you say that is impossible.
 
let us take another look at it.
The apparent motion of all solar objects, sun, moon, planets, and stars; Is due to the rotation of earth. There are other motions to be considered.
all the planets orbit around the sun, Earth being one of them.
 The moon orbiting the Earth in a counterclockwise motion.
The Earth rotation in a counterclockwise rotation.
The counter clockwise rotation of Earth Is why we have the appearance of the sun and moon rising in the east. When you compare the motion of the Sun and Moon, you will see that the moon moves from west to east, you ask how was this? Pick a time, anytime, Mark the Moon location, in 24 hours, once again mark the Moon location, repeat the process; and you will note the moon moves from west to east on a daily basis.
 with a waning moon,  it will be seen during the day,  coming close to a  new moon,  the solar eclipse, happens at the new moon.  with the moon moving from west to east, for that short time the shadow crosses the earth, as the moon moves to the east.  the rotation of the earth,  only changes the time and location of where the shadow is cast.  This is the results of all the numbers,  that have been stated before and elsewhere,  if I were to try to put the numbers in they just would  cloud the issue.
In 22 days  this eclipse  will be over, and its motion will be as predicted, proving that the earth is a globe.  and I am sure that you will be able to find  a live broadcast,  on TV or cable or  Internet.

Here is the real kicker the stars
“This eclipse will give you a fine opportunity to gauge the brightness of the sky, because during totality observers will be able to briefly see the stars and constellations that are visible at night during the opposite season – that is, late February.  
Indeed, stretched across the western and southwestern sky will be the bright stars of the winter season: Orion and his retinue, Canis Major and Minor, Gemini, Auriga, and Taurus. Each of these constellations contains at least one star of magnitude 1 or greater. However, August can be rather hazy, especially over the southeast U.S. If this is the case, the sky background may be quite bright even at mid-totality, and Venus may be the only visible object.”
 [The Brightest Stars in the Sky: A Starry Countdown] “ https://www.space.com/36721-stars-planets-visible-during-solar-eclipse.html

THANKS
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: MicroBeta on August 08, 2017, 05:23:12 PM
You Heliocentrics are very strange you post some form of nonsense then ask me to argue about it.

Why should I make my claims match the Canon?


The Ancient Babylonian Saros cycle.

The Ancient Babylonian's could predict Eclispes to the second.

The Ancient Babylonian's could predict the exact location of an Eclipse.

The Ancient Babylonian's could predict  Eclipses thousands of years into their future.

The Ancient Babylonian's knew the Earth was Flat.

The Ancient Babylonian's existed overy 4000 years ago.

You have admitted yourself that NASA use this Saros cycle.

This is because NASA know the Earth is Flat just as the Babylonian's did.

http://members.bitstream.net/bunlion/bpi/EclSaros.html

As I have said I will cover this in great detail shortly in the future when I have the time.



Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Well, it’s apparent that you don’t know the Saros cycle very well. 

The Saros cycle was slightly too short and the error grows over many cycles.  They are accurate to the time of day the eclipse would happen.  I don’t know where you got to the second but that’s wrong. 

Additionally, the original Babylonian cycles had nothing to with the fact that they believed the earth was flat.  It was merely and observed repetition that they used to calculate when they would occur.  Pure math and logic; no coordinate system needed. 

Not to mention the Babylonian's weren’t the only civilization to use the Saros cycle.  It’s believed the builders of Stonehenge used it.  The Greeks used it and well, they were spherical eathers. Heck, the Babylonian's weren’t even the first to use it.   

The key to note here is that the Saros cycle it’s a mathematical cycle independent of coordinate system.  So, you implying it’s a flat earth only method of predicting an eclipse is disingenuous.

The fact is the Saros cycle is itself not accurate enough over long time periods.  That’s where the orbital variables of the heliocentric model come into play...a celestial coordinate system centered on the sun.  Not to mention the Inex cycle.

The model even takes into account that the center of the moon and the moon’s center of mass are not the same point.   

Of course, you’ll repeat the same hand waving, dog & pony show as if you actually know what you’re talking about.

Mike
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: rabinoz on August 08, 2017, 06:20:05 PM
The Ancient Babylonian Saros cycle.

The Ancient Babylonian's could predict Eclispes Eclipses to the second.
Rubbish! The Ancient Babylonian's could not even measure time to the second! You do spout heaps of unfounded garbage.

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
The Ancient Babylonian's could predict the exact location of an Eclipse.
The Ancient Babylonian's could predict  Eclipses thousands of years into their future.
Please prove both of those statements!

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
The Ancient Babylonian's knew the Earth was Flat.
They did, but their cosmological model was nothing like your neo-Flat Earthism Religion's cosmological model!
Quote
Babylonian astronomy, Cosmology
In Babylonian cosmology, the Earth and the heavens were depicted as a "spatial whole, even one of round shape" with references to "the circumference of heaven and earth" and "the totality of heaven and earth". Their worldview was not exactly geocentric either. The idea of geocentrism, where the center of the Earth is the exact center of the universe, did not yet exist in Babylonian cosmology, but was established later by the Greek philosopher Aristotle's On the Heavens. In contrast, Babylonian cosmology suggested that the cosmos revolved around circularly with the heavens and the earth being equal and joined as a whole. The Babylonians and their predecessors, the Sumerians, also believed in a plurality of heavens and earths. This idea dates back to Sumerian incantations of the 2nd millennium BC, which refers to there being seven heavens and seven earths, linked possibly chronologically to the creation by seven generations of Gods

From: Babylonian astronomy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylonian_astronomy#Old_Babylonian_astronomy)

The Babylonians knew that the sun, moon, planets and stars set below/into the horizon, quite unlike your neo-Flat Earthism Religion's model

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
The Ancient Babylonian's existed over 4000 years ago.
You have admitted yourself that NASA use this Saros cycle.
Sure, so what!
Why are you blaming NASA? The current Globe model for solar eclipses pre-dates NASA by much over 2000 years!

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
This is because NASA know the Earth is Flat just as the Babylonian's did.
It is a total lie that "NASA know the Earth is Flat", and you know it!

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
http://members.bitstream.net/bunlion/bpi/EclSaros.html
Did you even read that?
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Eclipses and the Saros Cycle
Why do these Saros Families Evolve over time?

If these 3 cycles repeated exactly every 6585.322 days, eclipses would repeat perfectly every Saros Cycle. However, these cycles are slightly out of sync with each other, causing the geometry of one eclipse to change slightly when its "Saros buddy" comes around 18+ years later. In particular, notice that 19 Draconic Years minus 223 Synodic Months is about 11 hours. This 11 hour gap is the key to explaining why Saros Families evolve over time.
The exact Saros Cycles created by the Babylonians do not hold for all time.
So, sure Saros Cycles are used to help predict eclipses, but not the exact same Saros Cycles created by the Babylonians.
So, once again, stop spouting garbage!

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
As I have said I will cover this in great detail shortly in the future when I have the time.

You do that, but your neo-Flat Earthism Religion's model simply cannot explain the eclipses that have been and will be observed!
First re-read this till you understand it:
Look at this diagram:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/ojc6vktk196cvgh/Shadow%20sizes.png?dl=1)
That should make it completely obvious that
  • if the light source size is greater than the size of the object, then the umbra is smaller than the size of your object,
  • if the light source size is equal in size to the object, then the umbra is equal in size to the object and
  • if the light source size is less than the size of the object, then the umbra is greater than the size of the object.
Then look at past eclipses:
Date
     
Eclipse Type
     
Path Width
2001 Jun 21
     
Total central
     
200.0 km
2002 Jun 10
     
Annular central
     
13.5 km
2003 Nov 23
     
Total central
     
495.5 km
All from: Solar Eclipse Paths: 2001 - 2020. (https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEgoogle/SEgoogle2001.html)
So here we have eclipses with (umbral) path width as small as 13.5 km and as wide as 495.5 km.
But, we know that On your flat earth the sun and moon are both supposedly 50 km in diameter, so the above observed umbral widths are:
impossible on your flat earth model and hence your flat earth model have been proven wrong by observed solar eclipses.

<< little typo >>

Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: markjo on August 08, 2017, 08:24:48 PM
You and your Heliocentric brethren have said the angular velocity of the earth is a 1000 mph .
No, I'm pretty sure that I've been saying rotational velocity all along.  You're the one who keep bringing up angular velocity.

This can be verified by the readers in the qoute above.
Would you care to point it out, because I can't find it.

In reality any normal person will know it is impossible for the Moons shadow to travel west to east as they see the Moon rise in the East and set in the West EVERYDAY.
In what direction does the moon orbit the earth?
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: markjo on August 08, 2017, 08:30:16 PM
The Ancient Babylonian Saros cycle.

The Ancient Babylonian's could predict Eclispes to the second.

The Ancient Babylonian's could predict the exact location of an Eclipse.

The Ancient Babylonian's could predict  Eclipses thousands of years into their future.

The Ancient Babylonian's knew the Earth was Flat.

The Ancient Babylonian's existed overy 4000 years ago.
Could the Ancient Babylonians predict eclipses in North America?

Could the Ancient Babylonians predict eclipses in South America?

Could the Ancient Babylonians predict eclipses in Australia?

Could the Ancient Babylonians predict eclipses in Antarctica?

Could the Ancient Babylonians predict eclipses in Japan?
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: onebigmonkey on August 08, 2017, 09:21:42 PM
Here is a video of a solar eclipse.



Look at which bit of the sun disappears last and reappears first. See if the flatties can work out the implications of that.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: deadsirius on August 09, 2017, 05:54:44 AM
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The only way this would be possible on your model would be if the Sun was moving millions of miles in relation to the earth and did not maintain it's alleged position in the centre of the solar system.


You may not realize it, but you are so close to getting it here.  In a sense, this is what is happening.

No, of course the sun is not moving millions of miles in relation to the earth--but it appears to from the perspective of a point on the earth.  And this is key to the whole thing.  The sun appears to revolve westward above our heads, as does the moon.

It's the shadow we're concerned with, not the moon itself.  Remember that the shadow cast by an object is not just dictated by the location of the object, but by the location of the light source as well.  As the light source gets lower in the West, it will cast a shadow at an increasing angle to the East.  There is no contradiction here with the moon rising in the East and setting in the West.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Sentinel on August 09, 2017, 02:17:49 PM
Sorry, but this is BS. Earth rotation remains constant, same goes for the lateral moving umbra/penumbra by the Moon. But since it's projected on a sphere it actually travels much faster on it's path when entering or leaving the sphere because of the curvature, and furthermore any point on the radius on a revolving Earth would reach it's peak lateral velocity when being directly aligned to any reference point (like the Sun) and the slowest (zero lateral velocity, actually) when being perpendicular, so you got that all wrong again.

Look at this:
(https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEanimate/SEanimate2001/SE2012Nov13T.GIF)

and the blue cosinus animation here:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3b/Circle_cos_sin.gif)

Now think again.  ::)

So still nothing from dutchy? Why I'm not even surprised?
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 09, 2017, 03:39:55 PM
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The only way this would be possible on your model would be if the Sun was moving millions of miles in relation to the earth and did not maintain it's alleged position in the centre of the solar system.


You may not realize it, but you are so close to getting it here.  In a sense, this is what is happening.

No, of course the sun is not moving millions of miles in relation to the earth--but it appears to from the perspective of a point on the earth.  And this is key to the whole thing.  The sun appears to revolve westward above our heads, as does the moon.

It's the shadow we're concerned with, not the moon itself.  Remember that the shadow cast by an object is not just dictated by the location of the object, but by the location of the light source as well.  As the light source gets lower in the West, it will cast a shadow at an increasing angle to the East.  There is no contradiction here with the moon rising in the East and setting in the West.

No that is not acceptable.

You are speaking nonsense.

Any normal person can understand that as the moon's total orbital path is 27 to 29 days and 1.5 million miles it would have to travel at least a 190000 miles to cross the USA west to east because it is 200000 miles away on your Heliocentric model and in reality the USA is nearly 3000 miles wide so we could say that is roughly 12.5% of the alleged circumfrence of your imaginary Globe which to keep it simple represents roughly 12.5% of the Moons orbital path.

In reality any normal person will know it is impossible for the Moons shadow to travel west to east as they see the Moon rise in the East and set in the West EVERYDAY.

It is also impossible as shown in the first video I posted at the start of the thread because the earth's angular velocity on your model is 27 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity.

You have failed to take into account that the Solar Eclipse is visable in the Sky and it is the Earth's alleged angular Velocity as you and your colleague's have agreed that determines what we see in the sky.

A video that describes the orbit of the Moon on your Heliocentric model.



Light travels in straight lines .

The Eclispe is caused by the moon passing between the sun and the earth.

The Sun has to be directly behind the Moon and the Earth has to be directly in front of the Moon.

An object shadow will follow the object when the light source is directly behind it.

You are now claiming the Moon moves in the opposite direction to what is observed this would be the only possible way that the Moon's shadow can move west to East when the light source which is the Sun is directly behind it.

http://www.livephysics.com/physical-constants/mechanics-pc/angular-speed-earth/

You are fooling no one with your heliocentric nonsense.

It is impossible for the path of the solar eclipse to move in completely the opposite direction to the moon.

The moon rises in the East and sets in th west.

The Solar Eclipse starts in the west and finishes if the East.

The Earth's angular velocity which Is one rotation every 24 hrs is 27 times faster than the Moon's velocity.

This is why the moon allegedly rises in the east and sets in the west.

If the Moon's velocity was greater than the angular velocity of the earth the Moon would rise in the West and set in the East it would also have to orbit the earth more than once every 24 hours to achieve this.

Here is a description of a solar eclipse on your model.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse

It clearly says the eclipse is caused when the moon passes in front of the sun.

The moon takes 27 days to orbit the earth.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon

On your model the Sun is stationary regarding it's position to the earth and the moon

.http://kidseclipse.com/sun-earth-moon-move/

I choose this link so you Stupid and gullable Heliocentric's can try to understand how and why the upcoming Solar Eclipse is impossible on your model.

It is impossible for an objects shadow to move in the opposite direction to the said object when the light source is stationary.

The only way this would be possible on your model would be if the Sun was moving millions of miles in relation to the earth and did not maintain it's alleged position in the centre of the solar system.

https://www.quora.com/Is-the-sun-the-center-of-the-solar-system-Why

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Moon to cast a shadow on the Earth that is 24 times smaller than itself.

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Solar Eclipse to move across the Earth west to East which is the opposite direction to the moon on your Heliocentric model.

Your Heliocentric model does not match reality as such your Heliocentric model is false.

Part one



Part two




The readers will make their own minds up .

Jerimiah 5 : 21

Hear this, you foolish and senseless people, who have eyes but do not see, who have ears but do not hear:

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished.
 ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: RocksEverywhere on August 09, 2017, 03:48:06 PM
(https://www.dierendokters.com/images/Katten/kitten.jpg)

Now that I have your attention. Why does everyone always ignore me? :(

You and your Heliocentric brethren have said the angular velocity of the earth is a 1000 mph.

Get your shit straight, angular velocity is not in miles per hour, it's in degrees/time. Also could you draw up a model, to scale, to show how a solar eclipse is supposed to work in both a heliocentric system and in a flat earth system?
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Dog on August 09, 2017, 05:10:21 PM
In reality any normal person will know it is impossible for the Moons shadow to travel west to east as they see the Moon rise in the East and set in the West EVERYDAY.

9 pages of repeatedly dumbed-down explanations and you still don't get it. Damn.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Zaphod on August 09, 2017, 07:07:52 PM
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Any normal person can understand that as the moon's total orbital path is 27 to 29 days and 1.5 million miles it would have to travel at least a 190000 miles to cross the USA west to east because it is 200000 miles away on your Heliocentric model and in reality the USA is nearly 3000 miles wide so we could say that is roughly 12.5% of the alleged circumfrence of your imaginary Globe which to keep it simple represents roughly 12.5% of the Moons orbital path.

RIF, with respect this is plain wrong. The moon does not have to be overhead to cast a shadow. For a shadow to traverse a certain distance on the earth, the object casting the shadow only has to move the same actual distance, NOT the same number of degrees.

Try this way of thinking about it.....

Do you accept that the speed of a shadow on the ground cast by an aircraft at say 3000ft is essentially the same as the speed of the aircraft? Can you then see that the distance travelled by the shadow in a given timespan is the same as the distance travelled by the aircraft in the same timespan?

If the light source is a long way away, do you accept that this is true regardless of the altitude of the aircraft?

If the aircraft/object was at say 300,000km and the light source a LOT further away do you accept that the speed of the shadow across the ground would be the same as the speed of the object?

If the ground was then also moving with respect to the light source, and moving in the same direction as the object, can you see that the speed of the shadow across the ground is the difference between 2 speeds? So in our case the speed of the shadow is the speed of the moon minus the speed of the ground.

As the speed of the moon is faster than the speed of the ground, the shadow will still go west to east in this case. For the shadow to travel 3000 miles across the continent the moon also only has to travel 3000 miles.

I really can't make it any simpler than that.




Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Zammo on August 09, 2017, 07:36:55 PM
In reality any normal person will know it is impossible for the Moons shadow to travel west to east as they see the Moon rise in the East and set in the West EVERYDAY.

9 pages of repeatedly dumbed-down explanations and you still don't get it. Damn.

The fundamental problem here is that it is not possible to dumb down explanations enough for "using my brain is futile" to actually understand them. Below a certain IQ, some concepts simply cannot be grasped. Quite fascinating really. I wonder whether he's capable of wiping his own arse?
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Prof. John Frink on August 09, 2017, 09:08:25 PM
He gets it. He's just a psychopathic troll who can't live without the attention.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: UzZiBiKeR on August 09, 2017, 09:36:41 PM
Why are you so intensely against a global earth. You astound me with petty reasons and no proof. What is your agenda friend. And what does it have to do with reality.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Zammo on August 09, 2017, 10:25:29 PM
He gets it. He's just a psychopathic troll who can't live without the attention.
Yes, I know, but it's so much fun insulting his troll.   ;D
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Sentinel on August 10, 2017, 10:27:05 AM
What the hell happenend to dutchy though? It's like he abandoned this thread after gushing so hard in the first place...  :-\
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: markjo on August 10, 2017, 10:41:49 AM
What the hell happenend to dutchy though? It's like he abandoned this thread after gushing so hard in the first place...  :-\
He reluctantly agreed that the RE model does indeed explain the west to east movement of the eclipse shadow.

Now if only he would explain it to RiF in a way that an FE'er could understand.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Sentinel on August 10, 2017, 10:46:36 AM
What the hell happenend to dutchy though? It's like he abandoned this thread after gushing so hard in the first place...  :-\
He reluctantly agreed that the RE model does indeed explain the west to east movement of the eclipse shadow.

Now if only he would explain it to RiF in a way that an FE'er could understand.

Good one. That's outright impossible on something dense like Ignorance.is.Bliss...  :-\
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 10, 2017, 10:54:05 AM
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Any normal person can understand that as the moon's total orbital path is 27 to 29 days and 1.5 million miles it would have to travel at least a 190000 miles to cross the USA west to east because it is 200000 miles away on your Heliocentric model and in reality the USA is nearly 3000 miles wide so we could say that is roughly 12.5% of the alleged circumfrence of your imaginary Globe which to keep it simple represents roughly 12.5% of the Moons orbital path.

RIF, with respect this is plain wrong. The moon does not have to be overhead to cast a shadow. For a shadow to traverse a certain distance on the earth, the object casting the shadow only has to move the same actual distance, NOT the same number of degrees.

Try this way of thinking about it.....

Do you accept that the speed of a shadow on the ground cast by an aircraft at say 3000ft is essentially the same as the speed of the aircraft? Can you then see that the distance travelled by the shadow in a given timespan is the same as the distance travelled by the aircraft in the same timespan?

If the light source is a long way away, do you accept that this is true regardless of the altitude of the aircraft?

If the aircraft/object was at say 300,000km and the light source a LOT further away do you accept that the speed of the shadow across the ground would be the same as the speed of the object?

If the ground was then also moving with respect to the light source, and moving in the same direction as the object, can you see that the speed of the shadow across the ground is the difference between 2 speeds? So in our case the speed of the shadow is the speed of the moon minus the speed of the ground.

As the speed of the moon is faster than the speed of the ground, the shadow will still go west to east in this case. For the shadow to travel 3000 miles across the continent the moon also only has to travel 3000 miles.

I really can't make it any simpler than that.


Luke 8:17

For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open.


Your explanation is Not Acceptable.

Your explanation is absolute nonsense you have failed to take into account the angular velocity of the Earth.

An Airplane flying above the Earth on your Model allegedly moves round with the Earth's rotation.

The Moon however does not move with the Earth's rotation.

So to use an Airplane as example is a nonsense.


Any normal person can understand that as the moon's total orbital path is 27 to 29 days and 1.5 million miles it would have to travel at least a 190000 miles to cross the USA west to east because it is 200000 miles away on your Heliocentric model and in reality the USA is nearly 3000 miles wide so we could say that is roughly 12.5% of the alleged circumfrence of your imaginary Globe which to keep it simple represents roughly 12.5% of the Moons orbital path.

In reality any normal person will know it is impossible for the Moons shadow to travel west to east as they see the Moon rise in the East and set in the West EVERYDAY.

It is also impossible as shown in the first video I posted at the start of the thread because the earth's angular velocity on your model is 27 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity.

You have failed to take into account that the Solar Eclipse is visable in the Sky and it is the Earth's alleged angular Velocity as you and your colleague's have agreed that determines what we see in the sky.

A video that describes the orbit of the Moon on your Heliocentric model.



Light travels in straight lines .

The Eclispe is caused by the moon passing between the sun and the earth.

The Sun has to be directly behind the Moon and the Earth has to be directly in front of the Moon.

An object shadow will follow the object when the light source is directly behind it.

You are now claiming the Moon moves in the opposite direction to what is observed this would be the only possible way that the Moon's shadow can move west to East when the light source which is the Sun is directly behind it.

http://www.livephysics.com/physical-constants/mechanics-pc/angular-speed-earth/

You are fooling no one with your heliocentric nonsense.

It is impossible for the path of the solar eclipse to move in completely the opposite direction to the moon.

The moon rises in the East and sets in th west.

The Solar Eclipse starts in the west and finishes if the East.

The Earth's angular velocity which Is one rotation every 24 hrs is 27 times faster than the Moon's velocity.

This is why the moon allegedly rises in the east and sets in the west.

If the Moon's velocity was greater than the angular velocity of the earth the Moon would rise in the West and set in the East it would also have to orbit the earth more than once every 24 hours to achieve this.

Here is a description of a solar eclipse on your model.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse

It clearly says the eclipse is caused when the moon passes in front of the sun.

The moon takes 27 days to orbit the earth.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon

On your model the Sun is stationary regarding it's position to the earth and the moon

.http://kidseclipse.com/sun-earth-moon-move/

I choose this link so you Stupid and gullable Heliocentric's can try to understand how and why the upcoming Solar Eclipse is impossible on your model.

It is impossible for an objects shadow to move in the opposite direction to the said object when the light source is stationary.

The only way this would be possible on your model would be if the Sun was moving millions of miles in relation to the earth and did not maintain it's alleged position in the centre of the solar system.

https://www.quora.com/Is-the-sun-the-center-of-the-solar-system-Why

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Moon to cast a shadow on the Earth that is 24 times smaller than itself.

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Solar Eclipse to move across the Earth west to East which is the opposite direction to the moon on your Heliocentric model.

Your Heliocentric model does not match reality as such your Heliocentric model is false.

Part one



Part two




The readers will make their own minds up .

Luke 8:17

For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished.
 ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Crutchwater on August 10, 2017, 11:05:35 AM
What the hell happenend to dutchy though? It's like he abandoned this thread after gushing so hard in the first place...  :-\
He reluctantly agreed that the RE model does indeed explain the west to east movement of the eclipse shadow.

Now if only he would explain it to RiF in a way that an FE'er could understand.

Good one. That's outright impossible on something dense like Ignorance.is.Bliss...  :-\
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: onebigmonkey on August 10, 2017, 01:49:08 PM

It is impossible for an objects shadow to move in the opposite direction to the said object when the light source is stationary.


No matter how many times you repeat that crap it don't make it so. The shadow is not moving in the opposite direction. Watch the eclipse. See which bit goes dark last and which bit gets light first. Big clue for you there.

Your stupid preconceptions are shite.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 10, 2017, 03:49:27 PM
Why are you so intensely against a global earth. You astound me with petty reasons and no proof. What is your agenda friend. And what does it have to do with reality.

It not possible to be against Global Earth.

I have yet to see any evidence that has met my criteria and that I find acceptable that proves the Globe exists.


I enjoy arguing and debating and listening to people's point of view.

If someone attacks my position in an argument or debate I will defend it.


If this makes me a troll then so be it.

I have provided evidence in this thread that everyone will understand.

The only way you can prove your Globe is with CGI and your retrofitted mathematics.

I have NO agenda.

It has nothing to do with my reality.

Which is why I find it interesting that it seems to anger and frustrate some of you.

It is also interesting that some of you try and project an image of an expert.

The reality is you don't even know the basics of your own Heliocentric model.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False. 
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: markjo on August 10, 2017, 04:32:15 PM
Why are you so intensely against a global earth. You astound me with petty reasons and no proof. What is your agenda friend. And what does it have to do with reality.

It not possible to be against Global Earth.

I have yet to see any evidence that has met my criteria and that I find acceptable that proves the Globe exists.
What exactly is your criteria for globe earth evidence?

Is your criteria for flat earth evidence any different than that for globe earth evidence?
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Zammo on August 10, 2017, 04:54:57 PM

Luke 8:17

For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open.


Your explanation is Not Acceptable.

Your explanation is absolute nonsense you have failed to take into account the angular velocity of the Earth.

An Airplane flying above the Earth on your Model allegedly moves round with the Earth's rotation.

The Moon however does not move with the Earth's rotation.

So to use an Airplane as example is a nonsense.


Any normal person can understand that as the moon's total orbital path is 27 to 29 days and 1.5 million miles it would have to travel at least a 190000 miles to cross the USA west to east because it is 200000 miles away on your Heliocentric model and in reality the USA is nearly 3000 miles wide so we could say that is roughly 12.5% of the alleged circumfrence of your imaginary Globe which to keep it simple represents roughly 12.5% of the Moons orbital path.

In reality any normal person will know it is impossible for the Moons shadow to travel west to east as they see the Moon rise in the East and set in the West EVERYDAY.

It is also impossible as shown in the first video I posted at the start of the thread because the earth's angular velocity on your model is 27 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity.

You have failed to take into account that the Solar Eclipse is visable in the Sky and it is the Earth's alleged angular Velocity as you and your colleague's have agreed that determines what we see in the sky.

A video that describes the orbit of the Moon on your Heliocentric model.



Light travels in straight lines .

The Eclispe is caused by the moon passing between the sun and the earth.

The Sun has to be directly behind the Moon and the Earth has to be directly in front of the Moon.

An object shadow will follow the object when the light source is directly behind it.

You are now claiming the Moon moves in the opposite direction to what is observed this would be the only possible way that the Moon's shadow can move west to East when the light source which is the Sun is directly behind it.

http://www.livephysics.com/physical-constants/mechanics-pc/angular-speed-earth/

You are fooling no one with your heliocentric nonsense.

It is impossible for the path of the solar eclipse to move in completely the opposite direction to the moon.

The moon rises in the East and sets in th west.

The Solar Eclipse starts in the west and finishes if the East.

The Earth's angular velocity which Is one rotation every 24 hrs is 27 times faster than the Moon's velocity.

This is why the moon allegedly rises in the east and sets in the west.

If the Moon's velocity was greater than the angular velocity of the earth the Moon would rise in the West and set in the East it would also have to orbit the earth more than once every 24 hours to achieve this.

Here is a description of a solar eclipse on your model.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse

It clearly says the eclipse is caused when the moon passes in front of the sun.

The moon takes 27 days to orbit the earth.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon

On your model the Sun is stationary regarding it's position to the earth and the moon

.http://kidseclipse.com/sun-earth-moon-move/

I choose this link so you Stupid and gullable Heliocentric's can try to understand how and why the upcoming Solar Eclipse is impossible on your model.

It is impossible for an objects shadow to move in the opposite direction to the said object when the light source is stationary.

The only way this would be possible on your model would be if the Sun was moving millions of miles in relation to the earth and did not maintain it's alleged position in the centre of the solar system.

https://www.quora.com/Is-the-sun-the-center-of-the-solar-system-Why

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Moon to cast a shadow on the Earth that is 24 times smaller than itself.

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Solar Eclipse to move across the Earth west to East which is the opposite direction to the moon on your Heliocentric model.

Your Heliocentric model does not match reality as such your Heliocentric model is false.

Part one



Part two




The readers will make their own minds up .

Luke 8:17

For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished.
 ;D ;D ;D

Nah, you're still wrong. Earth rotates to East (anticlockwise from the perspective of static North Pole). Moon rotates on its orbit to East (also anti-clockwise from static North Pole). You can't deny this - both rotate (the earth on it's axis, the moon around the earth) in the same direction in the heliocentric reality. However, because the angular velocity (not linear) of Earth exceeds the moon, from the perspective of someone on earth, the Moon appears to move from East to West (as does the sun) - even though the moon is moving to the East - just much slower from an ANGULAR perspective. Linear (not angular) velocity of Moon (2400mph), however, exceeds the linear (not angular) velocity of the earth (1000mph), so when it briefly passes in front of the sun during an eclipse, it's shadow moves from West to East (i.e. the direction the moon is moving in, which you are still too brain dead to realise ;D ;D ;D Your little brain is confusing the relative motion of the moon - East to West from earth's perspective - with it's actual motion which is from West to East). Our perspective of seeing the Moon move from East to West does not change this fact. If the linear velocity (not angular) of the Earth exceeded the linear (not angular) velocity of the moon where the shadow fell, then the moon's shadow would move from East to West.

It's just so simple. I've done the calculations, and you only need an IQ of above 70 (Borderline deficiency) to grasp this concept. Unfortunately that places you in the sub 70 category (definite feeble mindedness). Come on "Using my brain is futile". Let's see if we can get you above 70!!! ;D ;D ;D It took some effort, but we got Dutchy there!

Your strange flattard religion never even started. :P
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: rabinoz on August 10, 2017, 06:57:19 PM
The Moon however does not move with the Earth's rotation.

Any normal person can understand that as the moon's total orbital path is 27 to 29 days and 1.5 million miles it would have to travel at least a 190000 miles to cross the USA west to east because it is 200000 miles away on your Heliocentric model and in reality the USA is nearly 3000 miles wide so we could say that is roughly 12.5% of the alleged circumfrence of your imaginary Globe which to keep it simple represents roughly 12.5% of the Moons orbital path.
The moon's orbit is eccentric, so these are just average values.
The moon orbits the earth relative to the sun once in 29.18 to about 29.93 days, averaging 29.53 days.
The average radius of the moon's orbit is 384,400 km (238,900 mi),
          so the distance the moon travels in one orbit is about 2,415,500 km (1,500,000 miles).
Hence the velocity of the moon averages (2,415,500)/(24 x 29.53) = 3408 km/hr (2117 mph).
The moon is orbiting the earth from west-to-east so the moon's shadow moves from west-to-east at 3408 km/hr (2117 mph).
As everybody (including dutchy and jeranism) says - except for poor lonely Resistance.is.Futile.

But while the moon's shadow moves from west-to-east at 3408 km/hr, the surface of the earth also moves from west-to-east but at a slower speed.
At 40° Lat the earth's circumference is 30,600 km (about 19,000 miles), so the surface velocity is 1275 km/hr (792 mph).
So the nett velocity of the moon's shadow across the USA is just the difference or about 2130 km/hr (1326 mph) from west-to-east.

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
In reality any normal person will know it is impossible for the Moons shadow to travel west to east as they see the Moon rise in the East and set in the West EVERYDAY.
Of course it does and nobody is doubting that, but that is where we see the moon in the sky, not the sun-moon-earth shadow line. that determines the path of the eclipse.
And so has almost nothing to do with the case.
          The rotation of the earth determines the surface speed of the earth and hence the velocity of the shadow relative to the earth's surface.

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
It is also impossible as shown in the first video I posted at the start of the thread because the earth's angular velocity on your model is 27 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity.
NO! Your video is quite incorrect and the earth's angular velocity on your model is 29.53 times greater than the Moon's angular velocity.

You insist on claiming that, "the earth's angular velocity on your model is 27 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity."
Not only is that untrue, it is a meaningless statement!
          Angular velocity is an measure of angle change per unit time, measured in radians/second or rpm.
          Presumably by actual velocity you mean distance per unit time, measured in metres/second or mph, etc.

Until you are able to understand this distinction you will be forever confused and forever incorrect.

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
A video that describes the orbit of the Moon on your Heliocentric model.
Stop trying to palm off crap from the trash can of your neo-Flat Earthism Cult's Temple as facts about the heliocentric model.
You obviously have no understanding of it, geometry or the optics of shadows!

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
Light travels in straight lines .
Apart from very slight refraction, that is agreed, just you remember that little fact!
Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
The Eclispe(sic) is caused by the moon passing between the sun and the earth.
The Sun has to be directly behind the Moon and the Earth has to be directly in front of the Moon.
An object shadow will follow the object when the light source is directly behind it.
You are now claiming the Moon moves in the opposite direction to what is observed this would be the only possible way that the Moon's shadow can move west to East when the light source which is the Sun is directly behind it.
The moon's shadow moves from west-to-east because the moon moves from west-to-east,
but the moon rises in the east because the angular velocity of earth is over 29 times the the angular velocity of moon.
It's so simple, a child could see it, but not poor old Resistance.is.Futile -   I do really feel sorry for you.

Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
http://www.livephysics.com/physical-constants/mechanics-pc/angular-speed-earth/
Yes, I think we have shown that we are quite aware of that, thank you.
Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
<< lot's of irrelevant rantings and ravings omitted >>
Have you ever wondered why
you are the only one (apart from your trach-can videos) that claims the Globe explanation does not work on the Globe?
The ancient Babylonians, ancient Chinese, Greeks and all since them understood it, but not poor Resistance.is.Futile.

Bye bye for now - see if you can do better next time!
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: MouseWalker on August 10, 2017, 07:48:59 PM
Why are you so intensely against a global earth. You astound me with petty reasons and no proof. What is your agenda friend. And what does it have to do with reality.

It not possible to be against Global Earth.

I have yet to see any evidence that has met my criteria and that I find acceptable that proves the Globe exists.


I enjoy arguing and debating and listening to people's point of view.

If someone attacks my position in an argument or debate I will defend it.


If this makes me a troll then so be it.

I have provided evidence in this thread that everyone will understand.

The only way you can prove your Globe is with CGI and your retrofitted mathematics.

I have NO agenda.

It has nothing to do with my reality.

Which is why I find it interesting that it seems to anger and frustrate some of you.

It is also interesting that some of you try and project an image of an expert.

The reality is you don't even know the basics of your own Heliocentric model.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.


If you had responded to this, I did not see it.
It is non-technical.
It is how I see it to work.
let us take another look at it.
The apparent motion of all solar objects, sun, moon, planets, and stars; Is due to the rotation of earth. There are other motions to be considered.
all the planets orbit around the sun, Earth being one of them.
 The moon orbiting the Earth in a counterclockwise motion.
The Earth rotation in a counterclockwise rotation.
The counter clockwise rotation of Earth Is why we have the appearance of the sun and moon rising in the east. When you compare the motion of the Sun and Moon, you will see that the moon moves from west to east, you ask how was this? Pick a time, anytime, Mark the Moon location, in 24 hours, once again mark the Moon location, repeat the process; and you will note the moon moves from west to east on a daily basis.
 with a waning moon,  it will be seen during the day,  coming close to a  new moon,  the solar eclipse, happens at the new moon.  with the moon moving from west to east, for that short time the shadow crosses the earth, as the moon moves to the east.  the rotation of the earth,  only changes the time and location of where the shadow is cast.  This is the results of all the numbers,  that have been stated before and elsewhere,  if I were to try to put the numbers in they just would  cloud the issue.
On Aug. 21ts  this eclipse  will be over, and its motion will be as predicted, proving that the earth is a globe.  and I am sure that you will be able to find  a live broadcast,  on TV or cable or  Internet.

Here is the real kicker the stars
“This eclipse will give you a fine opportunity to gauge the brightness of the sky, because during totality observers will be able to briefly see the stars and constellations that are visible at night during the opposite season – that is, late February.  
Indeed, stretched across the western and southwestern sky will be the bright stars of the winter season: Orion and his retinue, Canis Major and Minor, Gemini, Auriga, and Taurus. Each of these constellations contains at least one star of magnitude 1 or greater. However, August can be rather hazy, especially over the southeast U.S. If this is the case, the sky background may be quite bright even at mid-totality, and Venus may be the only visible object.”
 [The Brightest Stars in the Sky: A Starry Countdown] “ https://www.space.com/36721-stars-planets-visible-during-solar-eclipse.html

Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Dog on August 11, 2017, 12:09:56 PM
In reality any normal person will know it is impossible for the Moons shadow to travel west to east as they see the Moon rise in the East and set in the West EVERYDAY.

"Hmmm maybe if I say it again, it will finally become true. Yeah I'll say it again."
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: MicroBeta on August 11, 2017, 12:22:33 PM
In reality any normal person will know it is impossible for the Moons shadow to travel west to east as they see the Moon rise in the East and set in the West EVERYDAY.

"Hmmm maybe if I say it again, it will finally become true. Yeah I'll say it again."
Yup, a one trick pony with nothing to back it up.

Mike
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 11, 2017, 01:45:19 PM
In reality any normal person will know it is impossible for the Moons shadow to travel west to east as they see the Moon rise in the East and set in the West EVERYDAY.

"Hmmm maybe if I say it again, it will finally become true. Yeah I'll say it again."
Yup, a one trick pony with nothing to back it up.

Mike

No Incorrect

Luke 8:17

For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open.


Your explanation is Not Acceptable.

Your explanation is absolute nonsense you have failed to take into account the angular velocity of the Earth.

An Airplane flying above the Earth on your Model allegedly moves round with the Earth's rotation.

The Moon however does not move with the Earth's rotation.

So to use an Airplane as example is a nonsense.


Any normal person can understand that as the moon's total orbital path is 27 to 29 days and 1.5 million miles it would have to travel at least a 190000 miles to cross the USA west to east because it is 200000 miles away on your Heliocentric model and in reality the USA is nearly 3000 miles wide so we could say that is roughly 12.5% of the alleged circumfrence of your imaginary Globe which to keep it simple represents roughly 12.5% of the Moons orbital path.

In reality any normal person will know it is impossible for the Moons shadow to travel west to east as they see the Moon rise in the East and set in the West EVERYDAY.

It is also impossible as shown in the first video I posted at the start of the thread because the earth's angular velocity on your model is 27 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity.

You have failed to take into account that the Solar Eclipse is visable in the Sky and it is the Earth's alleged angular Velocity as you and your colleague's have agreed that determines what we see in the sky.

A video that describes the orbit of the Moon on your Heliocentric model.



Light travels in straight lines .

The Eclispe is caused by the moon passing between the sun and the earth.

The Sun has to be directly behind the Moon and the Earth has to be directly in front of the Moon.

An object shadow will follow the object when the light source is directly behind it.

You are now claiming the Moon moves in the opposite direction to what is observed this would be the only possible way that the Moon's shadow can move west to East when the light source which is the Sun is directly behind it.

http://www.livephysics.com/physical-constants/mechanics-pc/angular-speed-earth/

You are fooling no one with your heliocentric nonsense.

It is impossible for the path of the solar eclipse to move in completely the opposite direction to the moon.

The moon rises in the East and sets in th west.

The Solar Eclipse starts in the west and finishes if the East.

The Earth's angular velocity which Is one rotation every 24 hrs is 27 times faster than the Moon's velocity.

This is why the moon allegedly rises in the east and sets in the west.

If the Moon's velocity was greater than the angular velocity of the earth the Moon would rise in the West and set in the East it would also have to orbit the earth more than once every 24 hours to achieve this.

Here is a description of a solar eclipse on your model.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse

It clearly says the eclipse is caused when the moon passes in front of the sun.

The moon takes 27 days to orbit the earth.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon

On your model the Sun is stationary regarding it's position to the earth and the moon

.http://kidseclipse.com/sun-earth-moon-move/

I choose this link so you Stupid and gullable Heliocentric's can try to understand how and why the upcoming Solar Eclipse is impossible on your model.

It is impossible for an objects shadow to move in the opposite direction to the said object when the light source is stationary.

The only way this would be possible on your model would be if the Sun was moving millions of miles in relation to the earth and did not maintain it's alleged position in the centre of the solar system.

https://www.quora.com/Is-the-sun-the-center-of-the-solar-system-Why

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Moon to cast a shadow on the Earth that is 24 times smaller than itself.

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Solar Eclipse to move across the Earth west to East which is the opposite direction to the moon on your Heliocentric model.

Your Heliocentric model does not match reality as such your Heliocentric model is false.

Part one



Part two




The readers will make their own minds up .

Luke 8:17

For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished.
 ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Cartog on August 11, 2017, 01:50:26 PM
Montana State University is preparing a space baloon to televise the eclipse from a height above the clouds, calculated to be at the edge of space, nearly 19 miles above the earth - a height from which, the project director claims, THE CURVATURE OF THE EARTH WILL BE VISIBLE.

The baloon image will be available at:
   http://eclipse.stream.live/   (http://eclipse.stream.live/)

Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Crutchwater on August 11, 2017, 01:52:59 PM
Montana State University is preparing a space baloon to televise the eclipse from a height above the clouds, calculated to be at the edge of space, nearly 19 miles above the earth - a height from which, the project director claims, THE CURVATURE OF THE EARTH WILL BE VISIBLE.

The baloon image will be available at:
   http://eclipse.stream.live/   (http://eclipse.stream.live/)

Fake cgi fisheye artists conception?

Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 11, 2017, 02:05:54 PM
Montana State University is preparing a space baloon to televise the eclipse from a height above the clouds, calculated to be at the edge of space, nearly 19 miles above the earth - a height from which, the project director claims, THE CURVATURE OF THE EARTH WILL BE VISIBLE.

The baloon image will be available at:
   http://eclipse.stream.live/   (http://eclipse.stream.live/)



Incorrect " Here to be useless."

No they will use a fish eye lense that is how they fake the Earth's curvature.


Fish eye lenses are real .

The readers can verify the effect a fish eye lense has on an image all they have to do is buy a Go Pro Camera.


Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: markjo on August 11, 2017, 03:01:26 PM
Your explanation is absolute nonsense you have failed to take into account the angular velocity of the Earth.
And you refuse to take into account the rotational velocity of the earth.


In reality any normal person will know it is impossible for the Moons shadow to travel west to east as they see the Moon rise in the East and set in the West EVERYDAY.

Some flat earthers seem to disagree with you:




It is also impossible as shown in the first video I posted at the start of the thread because the earth's angular velocity on your model is 27 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity.
Comparing the earth's angular velocity to the moon's orbital velocity is not a valid comparison, no matter how many times you bring it up.

The moon rises in the East and sets in th west.

The Solar Eclipse starts in the west and finishes if the East.
It seems to me that it's a contradiction regardless of which model you support.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: MicroBeta on August 11, 2017, 04:42:05 PM
Montana State University is preparing a space baloon to televise the eclipse from a height above the clouds, calculated to be at the edge of space, nearly 19 miles above the earth - a height from which, the project director claims, THE CURVATURE OF THE EARTH WILL BE VISIBLE.

The baloon image will be available at:
   http://eclipse.stream.live/   (http://eclipse.stream.live/)



Incorrect " Here to be useless."

No they will use a fish eye lense that is how they fake the Earth's curvature.


Fish eye lenses are real .

The readers can verify the effect a fish eye lense has on an image all they have to do is buy a Go Pro Camera.


Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Yes, but if you use a little critical thinking skills, and understand barrel distortion, when the horizon is at the vertical center of the frame it is un-distorted.

Mike
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: rabinoz on August 11, 2017, 05:41:28 PM
Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
A lie, like "Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False".oft repeated ", does not magical become true,
it is still just a repeated lie.

Some can change their views, such as cikljamas, who till not that long ago was a staunch flat earther.
He still thinks that the earth is stationary, so he hasn't come "all the way"!

The earth is spherically shaped. I addressed this question to all flat earthers in the world :

Dear flat earthers, tell me the name of one (JUST ONE) prominent western scientist (who was born in the last 2500 years) who believed that the earth is flat? Can you imagine conspiracy of that scale? Is the conspiracy of such magnitude even possible, what do you think? You see, if you are ignorant you don't have to be stupid, also...wake up...the earth is round and motionless...

Aviation and gyros still bother me, but the evidence in favor of the round earth is overwhelming...

However, the earth is at rest, no doubts about that!
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: NAZA on August 11, 2017, 06:36:23 PM
I find it hilarious that thousands of years ago ancient civilizations around the globe used eclipses to learn that they were  on a spherical  surface, yet these morons not only don't believe it they think it proves the opposite.

This site has to be owned by The Onion.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Zammo on August 11, 2017, 06:40:09 PM
In reality any normal person will know it is impossible for the Moons shadow to travel west to east as they see the Moon rise in the East and set in the West EVERYDAY.

"Hmmm maybe if I say it again, it will finally become true. Yeah I'll say it again."
Yup, a one trick pony with nothing to back it up.

Mike

No Incorrect

Luke 8:17

For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open.


Your explanation is Not Acceptable.

Your explanation is absolute nonsense you have failed to take into account the angular velocity of the Earth.

An Airplane flying above the Earth on your Model allegedly moves round with the Earth's rotation.

The Moon however does not move with the Earth's rotation.

So to use an Airplane as example is a nonsense.


Any normal person can understand that as the moon's total orbital path is 27 to 29 days and 1.5 million miles it would have to travel at least a 190000 miles to cross the USA west to east because it is 200000 miles away on your Heliocentric model and in reality the USA is nearly 3000 miles wide so we could say that is roughly 12.5% of the alleged circumfrence of your imaginary Globe which to keep it simple represents roughly 12.5% of the Moons orbital path.

In reality any normal person will know it is impossible for the Moons shadow to travel west to east as they see the Moon rise in the East and set in the West EVERYDAY.

It is also impossible as shown in the first video I posted at the start of the thread because the earth's angular velocity on your model is 27 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity.

You have failed to take into account that the Solar Eclipse is visable in the Sky and it is the Earth's alleged angular Velocity as you and your colleague's have agreed that determines what we see in the sky.

A video that describes the orbit of the Moon on your Heliocentric model.



Light travels in straight lines .

The Eclispe is caused by the moon passing between the sun and the earth.

The Sun has to be directly behind the Moon and the Earth has to be directly in front of the Moon.

An object shadow will follow the object when the light source is directly behind it.

You are now claiming the Moon moves in the opposite direction to what is observed this would be the only possible way that the Moon's shadow can move west to East when the light source which is the Sun is directly behind it.

http://www.livephysics.com/physical-constants/mechanics-pc/angular-speed-earth/

You are fooling no one with your heliocentric nonsense.

It is impossible for the path of the solar eclipse to move in completely the opposite direction to the moon.

The moon rises in the East and sets in th west.

The Solar Eclipse starts in the west and finishes if the East.

The Earth's angular velocity which Is one rotation every 24 hrs is 27 times faster than the Moon's velocity.

This is why the moon allegedly rises in the east and sets in the west.

If the Moon's velocity was greater than the angular velocity of the earth the Moon would rise in the West and set in the East it would also have to orbit the earth more than once every 24 hours to achieve this.

Here is a description of a solar eclipse on your model.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse

It clearly says the eclipse is caused when the moon passes in front of the sun.

The moon takes 27 days to orbit the earth.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon

On your model the Sun is stationary regarding it's position to the earth and the moon

.http://kidseclipse.com/sun-earth-moon-move/

I choose this link so you Stupid and gullable Heliocentric's can try to understand how and why the upcoming Solar Eclipse is impossible on your model.

It is impossible for an objects shadow to move in the opposite direction to the said object when the light source is stationary.

The only way this would be possible on your model would be if the Sun was moving millions of miles in relation to the earth and did not maintain it's alleged position in the centre of the solar system.

https://www.quora.com/Is-the-sun-the-center-of-the-solar-system-Why

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Moon to cast a shadow on the Earth that is 24 times smaller than itself.

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Solar Eclipse to move across the Earth west to East which is the opposite direction to the moon on your Heliocentric model.

Your Heliocentric model does not match reality as such your Heliocentric model is false.

Part one



Part two




The readers will make their own minds up .

Luke 8:17

For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished.
 ;D ;D ;D

Still confusing angular velocity and linear velocity? CHECK!

Still unaware the moon is orbiting anticlockwise (West to East) around the North Pole? CHECK!

Only person on this forum (FE or RE) that doesn't understand how the moon can rise in the East and set in the West, yet it's shadow predictably move from West to East during the eclipse? CHECK!

IQ still well below 70? CHECK!

 ;D ;D ;D

Who is this Luke bloke you keep quoting? He's spot on you know. I opened a can of tuna yesterday, and disclosed its hidden contents of tuna. There was no way that concealed tuna wasn't going to be brought out into the open.

Your strange flattard religion is dead as a dodo.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: The Earth is a Pyramid on August 11, 2017, 09:40:13 PM
Man, you all should let this thread die already.

Its been 11 pages already of the exact same people repeating the same things over and over and over again.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Zammo on August 11, 2017, 09:42:33 PM
Man, you all should let this thread die already.

Its been 11 pages already of the exact same people repeating the same things over and over and over again.

Yeah, that's why I introduced Luke's can of tuna.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: The Earth is a Pyramid on August 11, 2017, 09:45:32 PM
Man, you all should let this thread die already.

Its been 11 pages already of the exact same people repeating the same things over and over and over again.

Yeah, that's why I introduced Luke's can of tuna.

lol
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 12, 2017, 08:46:13 AM
Your fairytale is over in nine days time no one will believe in your Heliocentric model.


Luke 8:17

For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open.


Any normal person can understand that as the moon's total orbital path is 27 to 29 days and 1.5 million miles it would have to travel at least a 190000 miles to cross the USA west to east because it is 200000 miles away on your Heliocentric model and in reality the USA is nearly 3000 miles wide so we could say that is roughly 12.5% of the alleged circumfrence of your imaginary Globe which to keep it simple represents roughly 12.5% of the Moons orbital path.

In reality any normal person will know it is impossible for the Moons shadow to travel west to east as they see the Moon rise in the East and set in the West EVERYDAY.

It is also impossible as shown in the first video I posted at the start of the thread because the earth's angular velocity on your model is 27 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity.

You have failed to take into account that the Solar Eclipse is visable in the Sky and it is the Earth's alleged angular Velocity as you and your colleague's have agreed that determines what we see in the sky.

A video that describes the orbit of the Moon on your Heliocentric model.



Light travels in straight lines .

The Eclispe is caused by the moon passing between the sun and the earth.

The Sun has to be directly behind the Moon and the Earth has to be directly in front of the Moon.

An object shadow will follow the object when the light source is directly behind it.

You are now claiming the Moon moves in the opposite direction to what is observed this would be the only possible way that the Moon's shadow can move west to East when the light source which is the Sun is directly behind it.

http://www.livephysics.com/physical-constants/mechanics-pc/angular-speed-earth/

You are fooling no one with your heliocentric nonsense.

It is impossible for the path of the solar eclipse to move in completely the opposite direction to the moon.

The moon rises in the East and sets in th west.

The Solar Eclipse starts in the west and finishes if the East.

The Earth's angular velocity which Is one rotation every 24 hrs is 27 times faster than the Moon's velocity.

This is why the moon allegedly rises in the east and sets in the west.

If the Moon's velocity was greater than the angular velocity of the earth the Moon would rise in the West and set in the East it would also have to orbit the earth more than once every 24 hours to achieve this.

Here is a description of a solar eclipse on your model.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse

It clearly says the eclipse is caused when the moon passes in front of the sun.

The moon takes 27 days to orbit the earth.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon

On your model the Sun is stationary regarding it's position to the earth and the moon

.http://kidseclipse.com/sun-earth-moon-move/

I choose this link so you Stupid and gullable Heliocentric's can try to understand how and why the upcoming Solar Eclipse is impossible on your model.

It is impossible for an objects shadow to move in the opposite direction to the said object when the light source is stationary.

The only way this would be possible on your model would be if the Sun was moving millions of miles in relation to the earth and did not maintain it's alleged position in the centre of the solar system.

https://www.quora.com/Is-the-sun-the-center-of-the-solar-system-Why

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Moon to cast a shadow on the Earth that is 24 times smaller than itself.

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Solar Eclipse to move across the Earth west to East which is the opposite direction to the moon on your Heliocentric model.

Your Heliocentric model does not match reality as such your Heliocentric model is false.

Part one



Part two




The readers will make their own minds up .

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished.
 ;D ;D ;D



Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Badxtoss on August 12, 2017, 08:53:01 AM
Your fairytale is over in nine days time no one will believe in your Heliocentric model.


Luke 8:17

For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open.


Your explanation is Not Acceptable.

Your explanation is absolute nonsense you have failed to take into account the angular velocity of the Earth.

An Airplane flying above the Earth on your Model allegedly moves round with the Earth's rotation.

The Moon however does not move with the Earth's rotation.

So to use an Airplane as example is a nonsense.


Any normal person can understand that as the moon's total orbital path is 27 to 29 days and 1.5 million miles it would have to travel at least a 190000 miles to cross the USA west to east because it is 200000 miles away on your Heliocentric model and in reality the USA is nearly 3000 miles wide so we could say that is roughly 12.5% of the alleged circumfrence of your imaginary Globe which to keep it simple represents roughly 12.5% of the Moons orbital path.

In reality any normal person will know it is impossible for the Moons shadow to travel west to east as they see the Moon rise in the East and set in the West EVERYDAY.

It is also impossible as shown in the first video I posted at the start of the thread because the earth's angular velocity on your model is 27 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity.

You have failed to take into account that the Solar Eclipse is visable in the Sky and it is the Earth's alleged angular Velocity as you and your colleague's have agreed that determines what we see in the sky.

A video that describes the orbit of the Moon on your Heliocentric model.



Light travels in straight lines .

The Eclispe is caused by the moon passing between the sun and the earth.

The Sun has to be directly behind the Moon and the Earth has to be directly in front of the Moon.

An object shadow will follow the object when the light source is directly behind it.

You are now claiming the Moon moves in the opposite direction to what is observed this would be the only possible way that the Moon's shadow can move west to East when the light source which is the Sun is directly behind it.

http://www.livephysics.com/physical-constants/mechanics-pc/angular-speed-earth/

You are fooling no one with your heliocentric nonsense.

It is impossible for the path of the solar eclipse to move in completely the opposite direction to the moon.

The moon rises in the East and sets in th west.

The Solar Eclipse starts in the west and finishes if the East.

The Earth's angular velocity which Is one rotation every 24 hrs is 27 times faster than the Moon's velocity.

This is why the moon allegedly rises in the east and sets in the west.

If the Moon's velocity was greater than the angular velocity of the earth the Moon would rise in the West and set in the East it would also have to orbit the earth more than once every 24 hours to achieve this.

Here is a description of a solar eclipse on your model.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse

It clearly says the eclipse is caused when the moon passes in front of the sun.

The moon takes 27 days to orbit the earth.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon

On your model the Sun is stationary regarding it's position to the earth and the moon

.http://kidseclipse.com/sun-earth-moon-move/

I choose this link so you Stupid and gullable Heliocentric's can try to understand how and why the upcoming Solar Eclipse is impossible on your model.

It is impossible for an objects shadow to move in the opposite direction to the said object when the light source is stationary.

The only way this would be possible on your model would be if the Sun was moving millions of miles in relation to the earth and did not maintain it's alleged position in the centre of the solar system.

https://www.quora.com/Is-the-sun-the-center-of-the-solar-system-Why

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Moon to cast a shadow on the Earth that is 24 times smaller than itself.

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Solar Eclipse to move across the Earth west to East which is the opposite direction to the moon on your Heliocentric model.

Your Heliocentric model does not match reality as such your Heliocentric model is false.

Part one



Part two




The readers will make their own minds up .

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished.
 ;D ;D ;D
And still no alternate explaination from you.  It's almost like you have no idea what you are talking about.  Until you can explain how it works on a flat earth you have nothing at all.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: onebigmonkey on August 12, 2017, 09:02:31 AM
Your fairytale is over in nine days time no one will believe in your Heliocentric model.

I'm pretty certain that in 9 days time you are going to stfu and feel pretty stupid.

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You are now claiming the Moon moves in the opposite direction to what is observed this would be the only possible way that the Moon's shadow can move west to East when the light source which is the Sun is directly behind it.

You are the only one claiming this.

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It is impossible for the path of the solar eclipse to move in completely the opposite direction to the moon.

It isn't.

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The moon rises in the East and sets in th west.

Because the Earth rotates underneath it.

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It is impossible for an objects shadow to move in the opposite direction to the said object when the light source is stationary.

And it isn't.

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So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Moon to cast a shadow on the Earth that is 24 times smaller than itself.

It isn't.

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So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Solar Eclipse to move across the Earth west to East which is the opposite direction to the moon.

It isn't.

You can keep repeating that crap all you like, you're still deluded and wrong.

Your stupid preconceptions are shite.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: markjo on August 12, 2017, 10:25:30 AM
Your fairytale is over in nine days time no one will believe in your Heliocentric model.
Umm...  You do realize that solar eclipses happen almost every year, don't you?

In fact, there have been a total of 25 solar eclipses since 2000, including an annular eclipse that occurred in February.

What's so special about this one?

The heliocentric model hasn't changed.

The path of the sun and moon hasn't changed.

The path of the eclipse shadow hasn't changed.

Why will this eclipse kill the heliocentric model then none of the previous ones have?
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 12, 2017, 12:28:12 PM
Your fairytale is over in nine days time no one will believe in your Heliocentric model.
Umm...  You do realize that solar eclipses happen almost every year, don't you?

In fact, there have been a total of 25 solar eclipses since 2000, including an annular eclipse that occurred in February.

What's so special about this one?

The heliocentric model hasn't changed.

The path of the sun and moon hasn't changed.

The path of the eclipse shadow hasn't changed.

Why will this eclipse kill the heliocentric model then none of the previous ones have?

Because the vast majority of people are now aware of the true shape of the Earth.

The Eclispe is over a America where people can afford to send High Altitude weather balloons up which will show that it is not the moon that Eclispes the Sun and thus debunk your IMAGINARY GLOBE.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Crutchwater on August 12, 2017, 12:36:05 PM
The vast majority of people have been aware of the true shape of the earth for many decades.

It's well established.


What do you imagine will eclipse the Sun, if not the Moon?
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 12, 2017, 12:39:20 PM
The vast majority of people have been aware of the true shape of the earth for many decades.

It's well established.


What do you imagine will eclipse the Sun, if not the Moon?

The Black Sun.

It is impossible for the Moon to Eclispe the Sun as the Moon is vis able during the day.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Crutchwater on August 12, 2017, 12:44:36 PM
The vast majority of people have been aware of the true shape of the earth for many decades.

It's well established.


What do you imagine will eclipse the Sun, if not the Moon?

The Black Sun.

It is impossible for the Moon to Eclispe the Sun as the Moon is vis able during the day.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished.


...and where is this "black sun" right now?
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 12, 2017, 01:04:08 PM
The vast majority of people have been aware of the true shape of the earth for many decades.

It's well established.


What do you imagine will eclipse the Sun, if not the Moon?

The Black Sun.

It is impossible for the Moon to Eclispe the Sun as the Moon is vis able during the day.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished.


...and where is this "black sun" right now?

It is only visable when it passes in front of the Sun dum dum

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: The Earth is a Pyramid on August 12, 2017, 01:42:50 PM
The moon is not visible because solar eclipses can only happen when the moon is in its "new moon" phase.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_moon

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_phase

(http://www.moonconnection.com/images/moon_phases_diagram.jpg)

(https://s3.amazonaws.com/ai2-vision-textbook-dataset/dataset_releases/rc2/train/question_images/earth_eclipses_1632.png)
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Crutchwater on August 12, 2017, 01:52:48 PM
The vast majority of people have been aware of the true shape of the earth for many decades.

It's well established.


What do you imagine will eclipse the Sun, if not the Moon?

The Black Sun.

It is impossible for the Moon to Eclispe the Sun as the Moon is vis able during the day.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished.


...and where is this "black sun" right now?

It is only visable when it passes in front of the Sun dum dum

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished.

Oooohhh...

Kinda like magic?

SUPER neato!!
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: The Earth is a Pyramid on August 12, 2017, 03:13:14 PM
The vast majority of people have been aware of the true shape of the earth for many decades.

It's well established.


What do you imagine will eclipse the Sun, if not the Moon?

The Black Sun.

It is impossible for the Moon to Eclispe the Sun as the Moon is vis able during the day.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished.


...and where is this "black sun" right now?

It is only visable when it passes in front of the Sun dum dum

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished.

He asked where this "black sun" is, today,  August 12 2017, he didnt ask when is it visible.

Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: MicroBeta on August 12, 2017, 03:29:49 PM
The vast majority of people have been aware of the true shape of the earth for many decades.

It's well established.


What do you imagine will eclipse the Sun, if not the Moon?

The Black Sun.

It is impossible for the Moon to Eclispe the Sun as the Moon is vis able during the day.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished.
In a Heliocentric model, the Moon visible during the day would be a requirement for the Moon to eclipse the Sun. 

Works as described without some invisible third body that magically matches the path of and replaces the moon and then disappears and moon reappears...as if that makes any logical sense.

Mike
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: markjo on August 12, 2017, 05:32:58 PM
The vast majority of people have been aware of the true shape of the earth for many decades.

It's well established.


What do you imagine will eclipse the Sun, if not the Moon?

The Black Sun.
Just out of curiosity, will this black sun be exactly where the heliocentric model predicts the moon is supposed to be during the eclipse?

It is impossible for the Moon to Eclispe the Sun as the Moon is vis able during the day.
Umm...  The new moon phase is just barely visible during the day.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: rabinoz on August 12, 2017, 06:53:19 PM

The Black Sun.

It is only visable when it passes in front of the Sun dum dum

And do you expect anyone to believe the your fictitious black sun can totally block full sunlight,
yet be invisible to radar and not even block radio astronomy signals fro near the sun. Pull the other one!
You've lost you mind now, dum dum!

But, in the meantime the Heliocentric Globe spins happily along and perfectly explains solar and lunar eclipses and lunar phases.
They are things that your Pathetic Pepperoni Pizza Planet can never do!
But, strangely enough, the flat earth model of those smart old Babylonians did explain these things fairly well.

I wonder where you went so wrong? I don't really, but that's for me to know and you to find out Mr Ignorance.is.Bliss!

Your strange Flat Earthism Religion never was.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 13, 2017, 02:13:57 AM

The Black Sun.

It is only visable when it passes in front of the Sun dum dum

And do you expect anyone to believe the your fictitious black sun can totally block full sunlight,
yet be invisible to radar and not even block radio astronomy signals fro near the sun. Pull the other one!
You've lost you mind now, dum dum!

But, in the meantime the Heliocentric Globe spins happily along and perfectly explains solar and lunar eclipses and lunar phases.
They are things that your Pathetic Pepperoni Pizza Planet can never do!
But, strangely enough, the flat earth model of those smart old Babylonians did explain these things fairly well.

I wonder where you went so wrong? I don't really, but that's for me to know and you to find out Mr Ignorance.is.Bliss!

Your strange Flat Earthism Religion never was.

No I do not expected anyone to take my word .

This is the difference between someone normal like me and you Strange Heliocentric 's.

This I why I'm giving you a count down you now have eight days left.

Eight days until a video from a high altitude weather balloon shows the Moon is not eclipsing the Sun.

As I have said numerous times it is impossible for the Moon to be Eclispsing the Sun as the shadow moves the wrong way during the eclipse  (west to east)the Moon is also visable during the day and we would also see the Moon moving across the Sun.

@markjo

The Moon is in the wrong place during this Eclispe on the 21.08.17 the only logical explanation is something else is Eclispes the Sun.

This will be proven on the 21 st.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished.

Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Zammo on August 13, 2017, 02:19:25 AM

The Black Sun.

It is only visable when it passes in front of the Sun dum dum

And do you expect anyone to believe the your fictitious black sun can totally block full sunlight,
yet be invisible to radar and not even block radio astronomy signals fro near the sun. Pull the other one!
You've lost you mind now, dum dum!

But, in the meantime the Heliocentric Globe spins happily along and perfectly explains solar and lunar eclipses and lunar phases.
They are things that your Pathetic Pepperoni Pizza Planet can never do!
But, strangely enough, the flat earth model of those smart old Babylonians did explain these things fairly well.

I wonder where you went so wrong? I don't really, but that's for me to know and you to find out Mr Ignorance.is.Bliss!

Your strange Flat Earthism Religion never was.

No I do not expected anyone to take my word .

This is the difference between someone normal like me and you Strange Heliocentric 's.

This I why I'm giving you a count down you now have eight days left.

Eight days until a video from a high altitude weather balloon shows the Moon is not eclipsing the Sun.

As I have said numerous times it is impossible for the Moon to be Eclispsing the Sun as the shadow moves the wrong way during the eclipse  (west to east)the Moon is also visable during the day and we would also see the Moon moving across the Sun.

@markjo

The Moon is in the wrong place during this Eclispe on the 21.08.17 the only logical explanation is something else is Eclispes the Sun.

This will be proven on the 21 st.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished.

And if this video proving your hypothesis does not appear, do you promise to admit you are wrong and ask forgiveness?

I'll do the same if your video does appear.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Sentinel on August 13, 2017, 02:28:00 AM


@markjo

The Moon is in the wrong place during this Eclispe on the 21.08.17 the only logical explanation is something else is Eclispes the Sun.

This will be proven on the 21 st.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished.

The last full Moon was on August 7th, and the next new Moon will be on August 21th, the eclipse day. Notice the timespan of 14 days, being the half of 28 days needed by the Moon for a full revolution in Earths orbit by some weird coincidence...

 ::)

We so need a facepalm emoji, though.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 13, 2017, 02:58:01 AM


@markjo

The Moon is in the wrong place during this Eclispe on the 21.08.17 the only logical explanation is something else is Eclispes the Sun.

This will be proven on the 21 st.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished.

The last full Moon was on August 7th, and the next new Moon will be on August 21th, the eclipse day. Notice the timespan of 14 days, being the half of 28 days needed by the Moon for a full revolution in Earths orbit by some weird coincidence...

 ::)

We so need a facepalm emoji, though.

In Eight days we will be able to see for ourselves.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Sentinel on August 13, 2017, 03:33:20 AM


@markjo

The Moon is in the wrong place during this Eclispe on the 21.08.17 the only logical explanation is something else is Eclispes the Sun.

This will be proven on the 21 st.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished.

The last full Moon was on August 7th, and the next new Moon will be on August 21th, the eclipse day. Notice the timespan of 14 days, being the half of 28 days needed by the Moon for a full revolution in Earths orbit by some weird coincidence...

 ::)

We so need a facepalm emoji, though.

In Eight days we will be able to see for ourselves.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

Can't wait for you to change your last line in your posts to something like "Your Spheroid Heliocentric Model was right all the way" in eight days...
 
 ;D
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Crutchwater on August 13, 2017, 04:39:52 AM


@markjo

The Moon is in the wrong place during this Eclispe on the 21.08.17 the only logical explanation is something else is Eclispes the Sun.

This will be proven on the 21 st.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished.

The last full Moon was on August 7th, and the next new Moon will be on August 21th, the eclipse day. Notice the timespan of 14 days, being the half of 28 days needed by the Moon for a full revolution in Earths orbit by some weird coincidence...

 ::)

We so need a facepalm emoji, though.

In Eight days we will be able to see for ourselves.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.


I really can't wait to hear your lame excuses. I'm sure you're already working on them.

See you next Monday evening!


Your tiny feeble mind is overloaded
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: rabinoz on August 13, 2017, 05:15:53 AM
In Eight days we will be able to see for ourselves.
We will won't we! Now your ever helpful NASA presents in great detail exactly when and where the eclipse will be seen.
Have a look at the detail here: NASA, PATH OF THE TOTAL SOLAR ECLIPSE OF 2017 AUG 21. (https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEpath/SEpath2001/SE2017Aug21Tpath.html)
Please tell us which Saros cycle this eclipse wiil be and how that can predict this amount of detail.

And I do believe that you claimed that:
The Moon is in the wrong place during this Eclispe(sic) on the 21.08.17 the only logical explanation is something else is Eclispes(sic) the Sun.
This will be proven on the 21 st.

Well, the NASA site predicts that the eclipse will be centred over Lat 43° 13' 42"N, Long 108° 28' 30"W at 17:40 UTC.
This is a spot in Wyoming and at this time and location
         the location of the sun is Alt = 52.30°, Azm = 138.95° (from Suncalc.org (https://www.suncalc.org/#/43.2283,-108.475,5/2017.08.21/11:40/1/0)) and
         the location of the moon is Alt = 52.31°, Azm = 138.96° (from Mooncalc.org (https://www.mooncalc.org/#/43.2283,-108.475,9/2017.08.21/11:40/1/0)).

The sun and moon altitudes and azimuths are predicted to be within 0.01° of each other at that time (17:40 UTC or 11:40 Wyoming time).
Anf you Mr Ignorance.is.Bliss claim that the moon will be in the  ;D ;D wrong place at that time!  ;D ;D.
Please explain how you came up with that stupid idea.

And you made the totally incorrect claim
As I have said numerous times it is impossible for the Moon to be Eclispsing(sic) the Sun as the shadow moves the wrong way during the eclipse  (west to east) the Moon is also visable(sic) during the day and we would also see the Moon moving across the Sun.
Yes, I know YOU "said numerous times", but your saying it does not make it true!

And you claim "the Moon is also visable(sic) during the day".
The moon will be very close to the sun, BUT it will NOT be visible until it starts to block the sun. The thin crescent of the new moon is too close to the bright sun to be seen.
Of course, observers will "also see the Moon moving across the Sun" - that is what a solar eclipse is!

Those ancient Babylonians knew it, the old Greeks knew it, but poor old Mr Ignorance.is.Bliss still doesn't.

But, Mr Ignorance.is.Bliss, I find it impossible to believe that you are a real person. No real person could possibly as stubbornly ignorant as you.
This is especially obvious with what must a completely deliberate confusion of angular velocity and linear velocity - I refuse to believe that any real person can be as ignorant as you.

You are nothing more than a useless troll, probably out to make the whole flat earth idea look ridiculous - and boy are you succeeding!

<< Elev and Azm mixed up  >>
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Papa Legba on August 13, 2017, 05:30:30 AM
The moon will be very close to the sun

O rly?

I thought it was 93,000,000 miles away in your model?

Have you turned into a flat Earther while I was away?

Or are you just drunk again?

BTW, are you related to Jarrah White too?

You look kinda like him, so I'm guessing 'yes'.

Family business is it, space shilling?
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: MicroBeta on August 13, 2017, 05:34:51 AM
<snip>

The Moon is in the wrong place during this Eclispe on the 21.08.17 the only logical explanation is something else is Eclispes the Sun.

<snip>
What is the basis of the comment that the moon will be in the wrong place?

Mike
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Papa Legba on August 13, 2017, 05:42:19 AM
Onebigmicrobeta...  ::)
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: rabinoz on August 13, 2017, 05:49:18 AM
The moon will be very close to the sun

O rly?

In altitude and azimuth angles you dimwit! If you had learnt to read and understand English instead of Voodoo you might understand!

<< Yes, in the rush to finish I did say "altitude and elevation", instead of "altitude and azimuth" so sorry for the confusion >>
I could say that I'm only human,  but at this late hour even that might be an exaggeration  ???.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Papa Legba on August 13, 2017, 06:02:58 AM
The moon will be very close to the sun

O rly?

In altitude and elevation angles you dimwit! If you had learnt to read and understand English instead of Voodoo you might understand!

So teh Munn will be close to the sun in altitude now?

Are they both within the atmosphere then?

You really have turned into a flat Earther haven't you?

Lulz!!!
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: MicroBeta on August 13, 2017, 06:05:36 AM
The moon will be very close to the sun

O rly?

In altitude and elevation angles you dimwit! If you had learnt to read and understand English instead of Voodoo you might understand!

So teh Munn will be close to the sun in altitude now?

Are they both within the atmosphere then?

You really have turned into a flat Earther haven't you?

Lulz!!!
I'm pretty sure he meant azimuth and elevation.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Crutchwater on August 13, 2017, 06:06:22 AM
The moon will be very close to the sun

O rly?

In altitude and elevation angles you dimwit! If you had learnt to read and understand English instead of Voodoo you might understand!

So teh Munn will be close to the sun in altitude now?

Are they both within the atmosphere then?

You really have turned into a flat Earther haven't you?

Lulz!!!


You have zero comprehension skills...

Or, more likely, (I hope), you are simply a really bad 14 year old troll.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 13, 2017, 06:09:30 AM
In Eight days we will be able to see for ourselves.
We will won't we! Now your ever helpful NASA presents in great detail exactly when and where the eclipse will be seen.
Have a look at the detail here: NASA, PATH OF THE TOTAL SOLAR ECLIPSE OF 2017 AUG 21. (https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEpath/SEpath2001/SE2017Aug21Tpath.html)
Please tell us which Saros cycle this eclipse wiil be and how that can predict this amount of detail.

And I do believe that you claimed that:
The Moon is in the wrong place during this Eclispe(sic) on the 21.08.17 the only logical explanation is something else is Eclispes(sic) the Sun.
This will be proven on the 21 st.

Well, the NASA site predicts that the eclipse will be centred over Lat 43° 13' 42"N, Long 108° 28' 30"W at 17:40 UTC.
This is a spot in Wyoming and at this time and location
         the location of the sun is Alt = 52.30°, Elev = 138.95° (from Suncalc.org (https://www.suncalc.org/#/43.2283,-108.475,5/2017.08.21/11:40/1/0)) and
         the location of the moon is Alt = 52.31°, Elev = 138.96° (from Mooncalc.org (https://www.mooncalc.org/#/43.2283,-108.475,9/2017.08.21/11:40/1/0)).

The sun and moon altitudes and elevations are predicted to be within 0.01° of each other at that time (17:40 UTC or 11:40 Wyoming time).
Anf you Mr Ignorance.is.Bliss claim that the moon will be in the  ;D ;D wrong place at that time!  ;D ;D.
Please explain how you came up with that stupid idea.

And you made the totally incorrect claim
As I have said numerous times it is impossible for the Moon to be Eclispsing(sic) the Sun as the shadow moves the wrong way during the eclipse  (west to east) the Moon is also visable(sic) during the day and we would also see the Moon moving across the Sun.
Yes, I know YOU "said numerous times", but your saying it does not make it true!

And you claim "the Moon is also visable(sic) during the day".
The moon will be very close to the sun, BUT it will NOT be visible until it starts to block the sun. The thin crescent of the new moon is too close to the bright sun to be seen.
Of course, observers will "also see the Moon moving across the Sun" - that is what a solar eclipse is!

Those ancient Babylonians knew it, the old Greeks knew it, but poor old Mr Ignorance.is.Bliss still doesn't.

But, Mr Ignorance.is.Bliss, I find it impossible to believe that you are a real person. No real person could possibly as stubbornly ignorant as you.
This is especially obvious with what must a completely deliberate confusion of angular velocity and linear velocity - I refuse to believe that any real person can be as ignorant as you.

You are nothing more than a useless troll, probably out to make the whole flat earth idea look ridiculous - and boy are you succeeding!

I see you are employing the use of misdirection again Rab  ::)

It is not me that has angular velocity and linear velocity confused.

I'm the one that highlighted the fact that some of your Heliocentric brethren think angular velocity can be measured in mph when in actual fact angular velocity is measured in radians  and it is linear velocity that can be measured in mph.

I refuse to believe that any normal person can be as dishonest as you.

This is because you are not a normal person you are a Strange Heliocentric.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False. 
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Papa Legba on August 13, 2017, 06:10:46 AM
The moon will be very close to the sun

O rly?

In altitude and elevation angles you dimwit! If you had learnt to read and understand English instead of Voodoo you might understand!

So teh Munn will be close to the sun in altitude now?

Are they both within the atmosphere then?

You really have turned into a flat Earther haven't you?

Lulz!!!
I'm pretty sure he meant azimuth and elevation.

I'm pretty sure he said altitude.

Why are you so mental?
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 13, 2017, 06:19:40 AM
<snip>

The Moon is in the wrong place during this Eclispe on the 21.08.17 the only logical explanation is something else is Eclispes the Sun.

<snip>
What is the basis of the comment that the moon will be in the wrong place?

Mike

Are you for real?

The last 12 pages of this thread have consisted of me constantly repeating the facts telling you and your Heliocentric brethren the Moon is in the wrong place on your model to Eclispe the Sun and to cause the shadow to move west to east rather than east to west.

I suggest you read the information below and watch the videos rather than just spamming my thread with nonsense when you haven't even read and watched the content that is being debated.


Luke 8:17

For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open.


Your explanations are NOT Acceptable.


Any normal person can understand that as the moon's total orbital path is 27 to 29 days and 1.5 million miles it would have to travel at least a 190000 miles to cross the USA west to east because it is 200000 miles away on your Heliocentric model and in reality the USA is nearly 3000 miles wide so we could say that is roughly 12.5% of the alleged circumfrence of your imaginary Globe which to keep it simple represents roughly 12.5% of the Moons orbital path.

In reality any normal person will know it is impossible for the Moons shadow to travel west to east as they see the Moon rise in the East and set in the West EVERYDAY.

It is also impossible as shown in the first video I posted at the start of the thread because the earth's angular velocity on your model is 27 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity.

You have failed to take into account that the Solar Eclipse is visable in the Sky and it is the Earth's alleged angular Velocity as you and your colleague's have agreed that determines what we see in the sky.

A video that describes the orbit of the Moon on your Heliocentric model.



Light travels in straight lines .

The Eclispe is caused by the moon passing between the sun and the earth.

The Sun has to be directly behind the Moon and the Earth has to be directly in front of the Moon.

An object shadow will follow the object when the light source is directly behind it.

You are now claiming the Moon moves in the opposite direction to what is observed this would be the only possible way that the Moon's shadow can move west to East when the light source which is the Sun is directly behind it.

http://www.livephysics.com/physical-constants/mechanics-pc/angular-speed-earth/

You are fooling no one with your heliocentric nonsense.

It is impossible for the path of the solar eclipse to move in completely the opposite direction to the moon.

The moon rises in the East and sets in th west.

The Solar Eclipse starts in the west and finishes if the East.

The Earth's angular velocity which Is one rotation every 24 hrs is 27 times faster than the Moon's velocity.

This is why the moon allegedly rises in the east and sets in the west.

If the Moon's velocity was greater than the angular velocity of the earth the Moon would rise in the West and set in the East it would also have to orbit the earth more than once every 24 hours to achieve this.

Here is a description of a solar eclipse on your model.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse

It clearly says the eclipse is caused when the moon passes in front of the sun.

The moon takes 27 days to orbit the earth.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon

On your model the Sun is stationary regarding it's position to the earth and the moon

.http://kidseclipse.com/sun-earth-moon-move/

I choose this link so you Stupid and gullable Heliocentric's can try to understand how and why the upcoming Solar Eclipse is impossible on your model.

It is impossible for an objects shadow to move in the opposite direction to the said object when the light source is stationary.

The only way this would be possible on your model would be if the Sun was moving millions of miles in relation to the earth and did not maintain it's alleged position in the centre of the solar system.

https://www.quora.com/Is-the-sun-the-center-of-the-solar-system-Why

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Moon to cast a shadow on the Earth that is 24 times smaller than itself.

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Solar Eclipse to move across the Earth west to East which is the opposite direction to the moon on your Heliocentric model.

Your Heliocentric model does not match reality as such your Heliocentric model is false.

Part one



Part two




The readers will make their own minds up .


Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished.
 ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: MicroBeta on August 13, 2017, 06:27:08 AM
<snip>

The Moon is in the wrong place during this Eclispe on the 21.08.17 the only logical explanation is something else is Eclispes the Sun.

<snip>
What is the basis of the comment that the moon will be in the wrong place?

Mike

Are you for real?

The last 12 pages of this thread have consisted of me constantly repeating the facts telling you and your Heliocentric brethren the Moon is in the wrong place on your model to Eclispe the Sun and to cause the shadow to move west to east rather than east to west.

I suggest you read the information below and watch the videos rather than just spamming my thread with nonsense when you haven't even read and watched the content that is being debated.


Luke 8:17

For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open.


Your explanation is Not Acceptable.

Your explanation is absolute nonsense you have failed to take into account the angular velocity of the Earth.

An Airplane flying above the Earth on your Model allegedly moves round with the Earth's rotation.

The Moon however does not move with the Earth's rotation.

So to use an Airplane as example is a nonsense.


Any normal person can understand that as the moon's total orbital path is 27 to 29 days and 1.5 million miles it would have to travel at least a 190000 miles to cross the USA west to east because it is 200000 miles away on your Heliocentric model and in reality the USA is nearly 3000 miles wide so we could say that is roughly 12.5% of the alleged circumfrence of your imaginary Globe which to keep it simple represents roughly 12.5% of the Moons orbital path.

In reality any normal person will know it is impossible for the Moons shadow to travel west to east as they see the Moon rise in the East and set in the West EVERYDAY.

It is also impossible as shown in the first video I posted at the start of the thread because the earth's angular velocity on your model is 27 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity.

You have failed to take into account that the Solar Eclipse is visable in the Sky and it is the Earth's alleged angular Velocity as you and your colleague's have agreed that determines what we see in the sky.

A video that describes the orbit of the Moon on your Heliocentric model.



Light travels in straight lines .

The Eclispe is caused by the moon passing between the sun and the earth.

The Sun has to be directly behind the Moon and the Earth has to be directly in front of the Moon.

An object shadow will follow the object when the light source is directly behind it.

You are now claiming the Moon moves in the opposite direction to what is observed this would be the only possible way that the Moon's shadow can move west to East when the light source which is the Sun is directly behind it.

http://www.livephysics.com/physical-constants/mechanics-pc/angular-speed-earth/

You are fooling no one with your heliocentric nonsense.

It is impossible for the path of the solar eclipse to move in completely the opposite direction to the moon.

The moon rises in the East and sets in th west.

The Solar Eclipse starts in the west and finishes if the East.

The Earth's angular velocity which Is one rotation every 24 hrs is 27 times faster than the Moon's velocity.

This is why the moon allegedly rises in the east and sets in the west.

If the Moon's velocity was greater than the angular velocity of the earth the Moon would rise in the West and set in the East it would also have to orbit the earth more than once every 24 hours to achieve this.

Here is a description of a solar eclipse on your model.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse

It clearly says the eclipse is caused when the moon passes in front of the sun.

The moon takes 27 days to orbit the earth.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon

On your model the Sun is stationary regarding it's position to the earth and the moon

.http://kidseclipse.com/sun-earth-moon-move/

I choose this link so you Stupid and gullable Heliocentric's can try to understand how and why the upcoming Solar Eclipse is impossible on your model.

It is impossible for an objects shadow to move in the opposite direction to the said object when the light source is stationary.

The only way this would be possible on your model would be if the Sun was moving millions of miles in relation to the earth and did not maintain it's alleged position in the centre of the solar system.

https://www.quora.com/Is-the-sun-the-center-of-the-solar-system-Why

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Moon to cast a shadow on the Earth that is 24 times smaller than itself.

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Solar Eclipse to move across the Earth west to East which is the opposite direction to the moon on your Heliocentric model.

Your Heliocentric model does not match reality as such your Heliocentric model is false.

Part one



Part two




The readers will make their own minds up .


Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished.
 ;D ;D ;D
Again, a whole lot of hand waving without a cogent argument and no analytical solution.  You post is a bunch of your interpretation and opinion..nothing more.

Mike
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 13, 2017, 06:32:15 AM
<snip>

The Moon is in the wrong place during this Eclispe on the 21.08.17 the only logical explanation is something else is Eclispes the Sun.

<snip>
What is the basis of the comment that the moon will be in the wrong place?

Mike

Are you for real?

The last 12 pages of this thread have consisted of me constantly repeating the facts telling you and your Heliocentric brethren the Moon is in the wrong place on your model to Eclispe the Sun and to cause the shadow to move west to east rather than east to west.

I suggest you read the information below and watch the videos rather than just spamming my thread with nonsense when you haven't even read and watched the content that is being debated.


Luke 8:17

For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open.


Your explanation is Not Acceptable.

Your explanation is absolute nonsense you have failed to take into account the angular velocity of the Earth.

An Airplane flying above the Earth on your Model allegedly moves round with the Earth's rotation.

The Moon however does not move with the Earth's rotation.

So to use an Airplane as example is a nonsense.


Any normal person can understand that as the moon's total orbital path is 27 to 29 days and 1.5 million miles it would have to travel at least a 190000 miles to cross the USA west to east because it is 200000 miles away on your Heliocentric model and in reality the USA is nearly 3000 miles wide so we could say that is roughly 12.5% of the alleged circumfrence of your imaginary Globe which to keep it simple represents roughly 12.5% of the Moons orbital path.

In reality any normal person will know it is impossible for the Moons shadow to travel west to east as they see the Moon rise in the East and set in the West EVERYDAY.

It is also impossible as shown in the first video I posted at the start of the thread because the earth's angular velocity on your model is 27 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity.

You have failed to take into account that the Solar Eclipse is visable in the Sky and it is the Earth's alleged angular Velocity as you and your colleague's have agreed that determines what we see in the sky.

A video that describes the orbit of the Moon on your Heliocentric model.



Light travels in straight lines .

The Eclispe is caused by the moon passing between the sun and the earth.

The Sun has to be directly behind the Moon and the Earth has to be directly in front of the Moon.

An object shadow will follow the object when the light source is directly behind it.

You are now claiming the Moon moves in the opposite direction to what is observed this would be the only possible way that the Moon's shadow can move west to East when the light source which is the Sun is directly behind it.

http://www.livephysics.com/physical-constants/mechanics-pc/angular-speed-earth/

You are fooling no one with your heliocentric nonsense.

It is impossible for the path of the solar eclipse to move in completely the opposite direction to the moon.

The moon rises in the East and sets in th west.

The Solar Eclipse starts in the west and finishes if the East.

The Earth's angular velocity which Is one rotation every 24 hrs is 27 times faster than the Moon's velocity.

This is why the moon allegedly rises in the east and sets in the west.

If the Moon's velocity was greater than the angular velocity of the earth the Moon would rise in the West and set in the East it would also have to orbit the earth more than once every 24 hours to achieve this.

Here is a description of a solar eclipse on your model.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse

It clearly says the eclipse is caused when the moon passes in front of the sun.

The moon takes 27 days to orbit the earth.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon

On your model the Sun is stationary regarding it's position to the earth and the moon

.http://kidseclipse.com/sun-earth-moon-move/

I choose this link so you Stupid and gullable Heliocentric's can try to understand how and why the upcoming Solar Eclipse is impossible on your model.

It is impossible for an objects shadow to move in the opposite direction to the said object when the light source is stationary.

The only way this would be possible on your model would be if the Sun was moving millions of miles in relation to the earth and did not maintain it's alleged position in the centre of the solar system.

https://www.quora.com/Is-the-sun-the-center-of-the-solar-system-Why

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Moon to cast a shadow on the Earth that is 24 times smaller than itself.

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Solar Eclipse to move across the Earth west to East which is the opposite direction to the moon on your Heliocentric model.

Your Heliocentric model does not match reality as such your Heliocentric model is false.

Part one



Part two




The readers will make their own minds up .


Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished.
 ;D ;D ;D
Again, a whole lot of hand waving without a cogent argument and no analytical solution.  You post is a bunch of your interpretation and opinion..nothing more.

Mike

No Incorrect

My post is Fact.

Your posts are spam.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: rabinoz on August 13, 2017, 06:32:49 AM

It is not me that has angular velocity and linear velocity confused.

I'm the one that highlighted the fact that some of your Heliocentric brethren think angular velocity can be measured in mph when in actual fact angular velocity is measured in radians  and it is linear velocity that can be measured in mph.

I certainly did not say thst, and your whole argument was based on the confusion over angular and linear velocities.
And you repeatedly make statements like
Quote
This proves the Earth allegedly   Rotates faster than the Moon orbits the Earth on your heliocentric model.
It is not possible for the Moon to rise in the east and set in the west  if the Moon's orbit is faster than that of the rotation of the Earth.
As proven already according to your model the Moon takes 27 days to orbit the earth.
. . . . . . ..
So your claim that the Moon's velocity is greater than the Earth's rotation is irrelevant regarding the Solar Eclipse.
Where you confuse the "Moon's velocity" with the "Earth's rotation" and that is the crux of the whole problem.

The important issue is the the velocity of the shadow is over twice as fast as the surface velocity of the earth.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: rabinoz on August 13, 2017, 06:48:56 AM
I'm pretty sure he meant azimuth and elevation.
I'm pretty sure he said altitude.
Yes, Papa,  I did mistakenly put "altitude" instead "azimuth". Thank you for so graciously pointing it out.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: rabinoz on August 13, 2017, 07:03:59 AM
<snip>

The Moon is in the wrong place during this Eclispe on the 21.08.17 the only logical explanation is something else is Eclispes the Sun.

<snip>
What is the basis of the comment that the moon will be in the wrong place?

Mike

Are you for real?

I do believe that apart from a mix up between "altitude" and "azimuth" I showed that the moon will be in exactly the right location to be the cause of the eclipse.
Not only that, everyone except you seems to accept the on the Heliocentric Globe or the Flat Earth models the shadow should move from west to east.
If you are still not satisfied I can present it again in more detail and refer you to numerous more videos to that effect.
You seem very much on your own on these issues!

And, whatever you may think, I have simply tried to present what I know to be the facts, but in the end neither your views nor mine matter.
What matters is simply the correct explanation of solar eclipses.
And we have been, however imperfectly,  trying our best to do that and nothing but that!

So the most the "Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk" is your incorrect interpretation of the explanation for "the Globe", nothing more!
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 13, 2017, 07:05:33 AM

It is not me that has angular velocity and linear velocity confused.

I'm the one that highlighted the fact that some of your Heliocentric brethren think angular velocity can be measured in mph when in actual fact angular velocity is measured in radians  and it is linear velocity that can be measured in mph.

I certainly did not say thst, and your whole argument was based on the confusion over angular and linear velocities.
And you repeatedly make statements like
Quote
This proves the Earth allegedly   Rotates faster than the Moon orbits the Earth on your heliocentric model.
It is not possible for the Moon to rise in the east and set in the west  if the Moon's orbit is faster than that of the rotation of the Earth.
As proven already according to your model the Moon takes 27 days to orbit the earth.
. . . . . . ..
So your claim that the Moon's velocity is greater than the Earth's rotation is irrelevant regarding the Solar Eclipse.
Where you confuse the "Moon's velocity" with the "Earth's rotation" and that is the crux of the whole problem.

The important issue is the the velocity of the shadow is over twice as fast as the surface velocity of the earth.

There is no problem .

It is you and your brethren that are deliberately trying to  confuse people.

It is impossible for the Moons Shadow to move in the opposite direction to the Moon.

Which will be proven in eight days time.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: The Earth is a Pyramid on August 13, 2017, 07:19:38 AM
Lets bet!

If Resistance.Is.Futile is right, he can:

1.- Laugh

2.- Use an exaggerated version of Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False™

3.- We, "Angry Strange Globalist Heliocentric High Priests of the church of the the holy Universe and his prophet Galileo Galilei™" will have to
say "Our Strange Heliocentric Religion is False" at the end of a reply for 1 week.

4.- He will make a thread called "HELIOCENTRIC MODEL DEBUNKED!!!" or something like that and he will mock us "Angry REtards™" forever.

5.- We will have to reconsider joining the flat earthers.

If we win we will:

1.- Laugh A F*CKIN LOT

2.- Mr Resistance.Is.Futile will have to change his "Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False" to "Your Beautiful Correct and Scientific Heliocentric Model of The Universe, Was, Is and Will Always be Right"

3.- Mr Resistance.Is.Futile will severely question his belief of a flat earth and geocentrism, he will seriously consider joining us Strange Heliocentrics™.

4.- I will make a thread called "Eclipse 21.8.2017 debunked Ignorance.Is.Bliss"  8)

5.- NEVER take him seriously again.

--------------------------------

If anyone, from both sides, wants to add something, reply to this, i will think about it and add it or not
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 13, 2017, 07:46:21 AM
Lets bet!

If Resistance.Is.Futile is right, he can:

1.- Laugh

2.- Use an exaggerated version of Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False™

3.- We, "Angry Strange Globalist Heliocentric High Priests of the church of the the holy Universe and his prophet Galileo Galilei™" will have to
say "Our Strange Heliocentric Religion is False" at the end of a reply for 1 week.

4.- He will make a thread called "HELIOCENTRIC MODEL DEBUNKED!!!" or something like that and he will mock us "Angry REtards™" forever.

5.- We will have to reconsider joining the flat earthers.

If we win we will:

1.- Laugh A F*CKIN LOT

2.- Mr Resistance.Is.Futile will have to change his "Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False" to "Your Beautiful Correct and Scientific Heliocentric Model of The Universe, Was, Is and Will Always be Right"

3.- Mr Resistance.Is.Futile will severely question his belief of a flat earth and geocentrism, he will seriously consider joining us Strange Heliocentrics™.

4.- I will make a thread called "Eclipse 21.8.2017 debunked Ignorance.Is.Bliss"  8)

5.- NEVER take him seriously again.

--------------------------------

If anyone, from both sides, wants to add something, reply to this, i will think about it and add it or not

I do not find this acceptable.

You have failed to lay down any criteria regarding what will be considered as proof.

This criteria will have to be agreed upon by both parties in order for it to be considered satisfactory.

I have already proved the Solar Eclipse doesn't work on your model all you Heliocentrics do is unconvincingly try and explain it away with nonsense.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Badxtoss on August 13, 2017, 08:12:24 AM
Lets bet!

If Resistance.Is.Futile is right, he can:

1.- Laugh

2.- Use an exaggerated version of Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False™

3.- We, "Angry Strange Globalist Heliocentric High Priests of the church of the the holy Universe and his prophet Galileo Galilei™" will have to
say "Our Strange Heliocentric Religion is False" at the end of a reply for 1 week.

4.- He will make a thread called "HELIOCENTRIC MODEL DEBUNKED!!!" or something like that and he will mock us "Angry REtards™" forever.

5.- We will have to reconsider joining the flat earthers.

If we win we will:

1.- Laugh A F*CKIN LOT

2.- Mr Resistance.Is.Futile will have to change his "Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False" to "Your Beautiful Correct and Scientific Heliocentric Model of The Universe, Was, Is and Will Always be Right"

3.- Mr Resistance.Is.Futile will severely question his belief of a flat earth and geocentrism, he will seriously consider joining us Strange Heliocentrics™.

4.- I will make a thread called "Eclipse 21.8.2017 debunked Ignorance.Is.Bliss"  8)

5.- NEVER take him seriously again.

--------------------------------

If anyone, from both sides, wants to add something, reply to this, i will think about it and add it or not

I do not find this acceptable.

You have failed to lay down any criteria regarding what will be considered as proof.

This criteria will have to be agreed upon by both parties in order for it to be considered satisfactory.

I have already proved the Solar Eclipse doesn't work on your model all you Heliocentrics do is unconvincingly try and explain it away with nonsense.

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
The only thing you've proven is you don't understand how an eclipse works.
You just keep reposting the same nonsense.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Sentinel on August 13, 2017, 08:40:08 AM
I do not find this acceptable.

Another TM-ish line from Ignorance.is.Bliss.  :P
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: The Earth is a Pyramid on August 13, 2017, 01:45:50 PM
Alright, both sides must agree on what will be regarded as proof.

If the high altitude videos show the moon covering the sun instead of a black sun??

If this black sun follows the predicted path of the moon??


Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: rabinoz on August 13, 2017, 09:40:34 PM
The important issue is the the velocity of the shadow is over twice as fast as the surface velocity of the earth.

There is no problem .

It is impossible for the Moons Shadow to move in the opposite direction to the Moon.

I have never claimed that "the Moons Shadow . . . moves in the opposite direction to the Moon."
The moon orbits the earth from west-to-east, the moon's shadow moves from west-to-east and the earth rotates from west-to-east.
So, no problem .
But right from the beginning you've proven that you try to confuse "actual" velocity and "angular velocity " as in
The fact of the matter is that the readers can obviously understand that the angular velocity of the earth is far greater than the actual velocity of the moon as the moon rises in the east and sets in the west.

If the Moon's actual velocity is greater than the Earth's angular velocity the Moon would rise in the West and set in the East. " END OF."
and you keep on with silly confusion of "angular velocity" and "actual velocity"
The earth's angular velocity is 27 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity this is why the moon rises in the east and sets in the west.
You are the one causing total confusion by never defining what you really mean by "actual velocity".
By "actual velocity" do you mean "angular velocity" or do you mean "linear or tangential velocity", beause your wording "actual velocity" is ambiguous and possibly intentionally so.
And hence, I insist that you immediatly clarify this issue.

What you must compare is the velocity of the shadow, on the earth's surface, and the surface velocity of the earth.
I calculster those velocities in
.. . . . . . . . .
What you must compare is the surface velocity of the earth where the eclipse will pass with the velocity of the moon's shadow.
And tangential (or surface velocity) = angular velocity (in radians/second) times the radius!

The radius of the earth at 40° latitude = cos(40°) x 6.366 x 106 = 4.876 x 106 m.
The angular velocity of the earth = (2 x π)/86400 = 7.272 x 10-5 radians/sec.
So the earth's surface velocity (in the middle of USA) is  4.876 x 106 x 7.272 x 10-5  = 356 m/s.

The radius of the moon's orbit averages 3.850 x 1008 m.
So angular velocity of the moon afound its orbit is (earths angular velocity/29.5306) = 2.463 x 10-6 radians/sec.
And the orbital velocity of the moon is  3.850 x 1008 x 2.463 x 10-6  = 948 m/s.

So even though the moon's angular velocity is much less than the angular velocity of the earth,
the moon's orbital velocity is somewhat more than the surface velocity of the earth.

The moon's shadow travels very slightly faster (about 0.25%) than the moon's orbital velocity.
And the speed of the shadow from west to east is just the shadow's velocity less the surface velocity of the earth.
Since the shadow velocity from west-to-east is greate than the earth's surface velocity the shadow should appear to move from west-to-east.
Now answer that Mr Resistance.is.Futile.
Quote from: Resistance.is.Futile
Which will be proven in eight days time.
Yes, Mr Resistance.is.Futile, it will be proven in eight days time that NASA and all the other Heliocentric Globe predictions were all correct.

End of story!
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: The Troll God on August 13, 2017, 09:53:09 PM
Here's an interesting math challenge about high-speed trains.

Train A passes point A traveling towards Train B, which is already in motion at a distance of 2,436 miles away.

Train A will take 77 minutes to travel from point A to the point where it meets Train B, which is traveling at 1037 MPH.

How far does Train A travel from point A to the point where it meets Train B?
How fast is Train A traveling?

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: MouseWalker on August 13, 2017, 11:55:04 PM
Here's an interesting math challenge about high-speed trains.

Train A passes point A traveling towards Train B, which is already in motion at a distance of 2,436 miles away.

Train A will take 77 minutes to travel from point A to the point where it meets Train B, which is traveling at 1037 MPH.

How far does Train A travel from point A to the point where it meets Train B?
How fast is Train A traveling?

 ;D ;D ;D
the question Analysis
How far does train B travel in 77 minutes at 1037 MPH  (1037 / 60 ) * 77 = 1330.81666641
That leaves train A  to travel 2,436 - 1,330.81666641 =( 1105.1833333333 / 77 ) * 60 =  861.181818 MPH

How far does Train A travel 1105.1833333333
How fast is Train A traveling 861.181818 MPH


Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: deadsirius on August 14, 2017, 05:54:17 AM

5.- NEVER take him seriously again.


"Again"??
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: simba on August 14, 2017, 06:31:20 AM

5.- NEVER take him seriously again.


"Again"??

Why take him seriously when he cannot do that to himself?
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Resistance.is.Futile on August 14, 2017, 02:32:16 PM
The important issue is the the velocity of the shadow is over twice as fast as the surface velocity of the earth.

There is no problem .

It is impossible for the Moons Shadow to move in the opposite direction to the Moon.

I have never claimed that "the Moons Shadow . . . moves in the opposite direction to the Moon."
The moon orbits the earth from west-to-east, the moon's shadow moves from west-to-east and the earth rotates from west-to-east.
So, no problem .
But right from the beginning you've proven that you try to confuse "actual" velocity and "angular velocity " as in
The fact of the matter is that the readers can obviously understand that the angular velocity of the earth is far greater than the actual velocity of the moon as the moon rises in the east and sets in the west.

If the Moon's actual velocity is greater than the Earth's angular velocity the Moon would rise in the West and set in the East. " END OF."
and you keep on with silly confusion of "angular velocity" and "actual velocity"
The earth's angular velocity is 27 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity this is why the moon rises in the east and sets in the west.
You are the one causing total confusion by never defining what you really mean by "actual velocity".
By "actual velocity" do you mean "angular velocity" or do you mean "linear or tangential velocity", beause your wording "actual velocity" is ambiguous and possibly intentionally so.
And hence, I insist that you immediatly clarify this issue.

What you must compare is the velocity of the shadow, on the earth's surface, and the surface velocity of the earth.
I calculster those velocities in
.. . . . . . . . .
What you must compare is the surface velocity of the earth where the eclipse will pass with the velocity of the moon's shadow.
And tangential (or surface velocity) = angular velocity (in radians/second) times the radius!

The radius of the earth at 40° latitude = cos(40°) x 6.366 x 106 = 4.876 x 106 m.
The angular velocity of the earth = (2 x π)/86400 = 7.272 x 10-5 radians/sec.
So the earth's surface velocity (in the middle of USA) is  4.876 x 106 x 7.272 x 10-5  = 356 m/s.

The radius of the moon's orbit averages 3.850 x 1008 m.
So angular velocity of the moon afound its orbit is (earths angular velocity/29.5306) = 2.463 x 10-6 radians/sec.
And the orbital velocity of the moon is  3.850 x 1008 x 2.463 x 10-6  = 948 m/s.

So even though the moon's angular velocity is much less than the angular velocity of the earth,
the moon's orbital velocity is somewhat more than the surface velocity of the earth.

The moon's shadow travels very slightly faster (about 0.25%) than the moon's orbital velocity.
And the speed of the shadow from west to east is just the shadow's velocity less the surface velocity of the earth.
Since the shadow velocity from west-to-east is greate than the earth's surface velocity the shadow should appear to move from west-to-east.
Now answer that Mr Resistance.is.Futile.
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Which will be proven in eight days time.
Yes, Mr Resistance.is.Futile, it will be proven in eight days time that NASA and all the other Heliocentric Globe predictions were all correct.

End of story!

There is nothing ambiguous about the word actual when someone has wrote the words actual  and angular in the same paragraph describing to different types of motion it is obvious to any normal person what they mean.


Any normal person can understand that as the moon's total orbital path is 27 to 29 days and 1.5 million miles it would have to travel at least a 190000 miles to cross the USA west to east because it is 200000 miles away on your Heliocentric model and in reality the USA is nearly 3000 miles wide so we could say that is roughly 12.5% of the alleged circumfrence of your imaginary Globe which to keep it simple represents roughly 12.5% of the Moons orbital path.

In reality any normal person will know it is impossible for the Moons shadow to travel west to east as they see the Moon rise in the East and set in the West EVERYDAY.

It is also impossible as shown in the first video I posted at the start of the thread because the earth's angular velocity on your model is 27 times greater than the Moon's actual velocity.

You have failed to take into account that the Solar Eclipse is visable in the Sky and it is the Earth's alleged angular Velocity as you and your colleague's have agreed that determines what we see in the sky.

A video that describes the orbit of the Moon on your Heliocentric model.



Light travels in straight lines .

The Eclispe is caused by the moon passing between the sun and the earth.

The Sun has to be directly behind the Moon and the Earth has to be directly in front of the Moon.

An object shadow will follow the object when the light source is directly behind it.

You are now claiming the Moon moves in the opposite direction to what is observed this would be the only possible way that the Moon's shadow can move west to East when the light source which is the Sun is directly behind it.

http://www.livephysics.com/physical-constants/mechanics-pc/angular-speed-earth/

You are fooling no one with your heliocentric nonsense.

It is impossible for the path of the solar eclipse to move in completely the opposite direction to the moon.

The moon rises in the East and sets in th west.

The Solar Eclipse starts in the west and finishes if the East.

The Earth's angular velocity which Is one rotation every 24 hrs is 27 times faster than the Moon's velocity.

This is why the moon allegedly rises in the east and sets in the west.

If the Moon's velocity was greater than the angular velocity of the earth the Moon would rise in the West and set in the East it would also have to orbit the earth more than once every 24 hours to achieve this.

Here is a description of a solar eclipse on your model.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse

It clearly says the eclipse is caused when the moon passes in front of the sun.

The moon takes 27 days to orbit the earth.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon

On your model the Sun is stationary regarding it's position to the earth and the moon

.http://kidseclipse.com/sun-earth-moon-move/

I choose this link so you Stupid and gullable Heliocentric's can try to understand how and why the upcoming Solar Eclipse is impossible on your model.

It is impossible for an objects shadow to move in the opposite direction to the said object when the light source is stationary.

The only way this would be possible on your model would be if the Sun was moving millions of miles in relation to the earth and did not maintain it's alleged position in the centre of the solar system. 

https://www.quora.com/Is-the-sun-the-center-of-the-solar-system-Why

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Moon to cast a shadow on the Earth that is 24 times smaller than itself. 

So I will tell you again it is impossible for the Solar Eclipse to move across the Earth west to East which is the opposite direction to the moon on your Heliocentric model.

Your Heliocentric model does not match reality as such your Heliocentric model is false.

Part one 



Part two




The readers will make their own minds up .


Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is Finished.
   
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
Post by: Dog on August 14, 2017, 02:52:45 PM
Copying and pasting the same nonsense over and over does not make it any less false.
Title: Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
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