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Re: moon hoax information index.
« Reply #930 on: March 17, 2016, 09:44:28 AM »
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They are near.

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Moon is looking to wrong direction. :)

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1 - Video is faked. The moon moves around in the frame relative to the objects in veiw. You'd have to be near blind to not see this... almost not worth debating, but check this color changing car out!!--> " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">

2. It's called PARALLAX!! Learn geometry, and understand the distances in play here. If anything, this is proof that the sun is not ~300 miles away, but more like 93 MILLION miles away.

3. This is an inaccurate representation. The moon in #2 was 'behind' the point of view relative to the sun, not 'in front' of it.

Edit: I mean, really, what was your point here? That the moon is a hoax altogether and it doesn't actually exist?
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Re: moon hoax information index.
« Reply #931 on: March 19, 2016, 01:06:20 AM »
 ;D
Strange how when I post " let's see some links, citations and evidence" the trolls all scatter,

The anti science brigade go from shrieking hysterically to mute when even the idea of scientific evidence is brought up,
Which is strange when I am showing evidence that the official moon landing narrative spoon fed to the gullible has issues.

Even the internet shills can't agree, and most of them debunk their own disinformation,


"links, citations and evidence" =

*crickets*
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Re: moon hoax information index.
« Reply #932 on: March 19, 2016, 02:47:26 PM »
Wait, is feuk one of Poppa's alts? Same logic, same misunderstanding/misinterpretation of basic science, and same writing style.

Coincidence? I THINK NOT!
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Re: moon hoax information index.
« Reply #933 on: March 20, 2016, 02:51:47 AM »
Wait, is feuk one of Poppa's alts? Same logic, same misunderstanding/misinterpretation of basic science, and same writing style.

Coincidence? I THINK NOT!
;D
nothing on topic to say ?
can't point out where the "misunderstanding/misinterpretation of basis science" occurs,
surprising ? I THINK NOT.

have you read this thread ?
 
I THINK NOT.
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Re: moon hoax information index.
« Reply #934 on: March 20, 2016, 10:01:15 AM »
@ soko

"everything posted supports my claims"  ;D

In reality you are now ditching the "sound propagation" corner stone of the last 20 + pages,
now claiming that somehow sound only travels "through" solids and not "along" them,
I made no such claim. I simply said it's harder for it to travel and still keep enough energy to make a sound when the solid ends. You know, the inverse square law.

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that Apollo space suits created their own sound and is not transferring external sounds,
That's what a drum does. But anyaways, like I said long ago, there is many factors involved. Not quite sure why you think it should be simple.

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And you still cannot address the direct testimony, evidence or science,
and are yet to offer one citation for any of you rapidly flip flopping positions on the subject.
I already touched on the testimony. All the testimony follows what it expected.

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Simply pretending I can't visualise " two objects in 3d space" is possibly the weakest argument on this thread (and considering rayzors contributions that is saying something).
Not really. You can't. You can't figure out two people on opposite sides of a wall and not in the same locations as two people down a hall from each other.
You can't comprehend that someone was listening to sounds traveling in air, which then stopped when the air was drawn out, opposed to someone hearing vibrations traveling from a solid into air.

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In conclusion you debunk your own arguments without ever offering any citations along the way,
you are at odds to all the other claims made by the other Apollo huggers on this thread,
and even go against most internet Apollo huggers arguments.
See how you claim I "debunked" my own argument but never actually said how? You made some broad claims but didn't actually break anything down how I was wrong.

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So let's see some links, citations and evidence,
please.
Of what? You are the one who says there is a video of sound being heard when it shouldn't be, where is the video?

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(I also notice you want spoon feeding the Apollo evidence, the evidence from the public domain, that has allegedly being scrutinised for nearly 50 years. Simply go back and watch the excursion segments of the movies, examples have being given ad nauseam.
If you prefer anti science and wilful ignorance.....then.....well....fair play.
Good for you)
They are only scrutinized by people who fear what they don't understand.
Try watching this video now as you were too scared to watch it last time I posted it.

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Re: moon hoax information index.
« Reply #935 on: March 20, 2016, 03:35:53 PM »
The fact is that the earth is fake, all footage you have seen is fake.

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Re: moon hoax information index.
« Reply #936 on: March 24, 2016, 08:49:48 AM »
@ soko.

The inverse square law supports my argument regarding the subtle noises recorded during the Apollo movies,
I have to wonder if you even understand the inverse square law,
because it goes against your posted reasoning  ;D

The "testimony" also goes against your posted arguments for "nothing to see here".

And now you claim im scared of a random YouTube video  ;D

Let me guess....
You require a subject change,
and the video has no original audio.

Am I right ?
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« Reply #937 on: March 24, 2016, 09:20:02 AM »
Here's an example of sound NOT travelling through solids "back into gas"
" One interesting thing that happens is that when you put your crewmates in the airlock to perform an EVA and then shut the hatch, at first you can hear a bunch of clanging as their metal tools softly strike the other equipment, handrails, or the hull of the small airlock.  Then as you depress the airlock it still looks exactly the same through the hatch window.  But now the clanging sound is gone.  You can see their equipment bumping into stuff as before, but now it is silent."

I'm not sure what the problem is here. When the airlock is pressurised, the clanking of tools against handrails etc causes sound waves in the air, which vibrates the airlock window, which vibrates the air molecules inside the ISS proper. Hence you can hear it. Evacuate the air from the airlock, and that transmission path has gone.

There are other possible transmission paths for vibrations to travel through the superstructure, but there are also other factors at play. How hard are the tools etc hitting the wall? Or handrail? What part of the wall are they hitting? What material are they made of? How does all this affect the sound transmission?

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Uh hu,
"big amplitude" like crunching regolith underfoot,
or a clattering moon buggy compartment lid.

These noises on the Apollo audio debunk your whole argument.

maybe you explain how these very subtle noises are recorded in the vacuum,

I haven't identified those noises in any Apollo footage I've seen. I can hear pops, crackles, belches & static, but nothing I could positively identify as regolith crunching underfoot. Can you post a link to a video and a timestamp? Cheers
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Re: moon hoax information index.
« Reply #938 on: March 25, 2016, 03:44:51 AM »
Response to master_evar.

compartmentalisation.
- the amount of total employees is irrelevant.
Do you honestly believe everyone from wharehouse cleaners, canteen workers to quality control and technical drawers were "in on it" ?

obviously the very few with oversight would know the bigger picture.

- there are issues with the footage/photos. Maybe you could share the most compelling images.

- watching a launch in no way corroborates journey or final destination.

- lots of resources were spent, this of course does not guarantee success,
You mentioned material left on the moon, is there any third party corroborative images of Apollo material on the lunar surface ?

The Soviet / US space bromance deserves it's own post.

Could you at least be honest enough to state outright that you believe it was a hoax and no matter how much evidence is presented, you will still hold it was a hoax?
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Re: moon hoax information index.
« Reply #939 on: March 29, 2016, 02:10:46 AM »
@ psychedelicpill
the problem arises when the "transmission path" is not the air but the solid,
It was argued long and hard that "propagation" through solids explains all recorded outside noise on the Apollo movies (even without direct contact and even when there is no consistency)

The other factors you mentioned did not seem to be a variable during the Apollo movies,
very subtle sounds were recorded (whilst other were not, this could be down to other factors but again there is no consistency)
Some metal on metal hammering is recorded some is not,
ect.

A starting point is to watch/listen to each mission flag pole deployment,
Some have hammering sounds some don't,
Some versions of the audio have sound some don't,
some websites claim sound is present some don't,
Ect.
(my personal favourite is the clattering moon buggy compartment lids because it negates the "drum skin" argument, which sometimes happens and sometimes not)

@ round and proud.

what evidence would that be ?
Seems to me the evidence is pretty thin gruel and even apologists and their favoured websites contradict each other on many points.

Which is strange don't you think.
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« Reply #940 on: March 29, 2016, 02:24:39 AM »
@ psychedelicpill
the problem arises when the "transmission path" is not the air but the solid,
It was argued long and hard that "propagation" through solids explains all recorded outside noise on the Apollo movies (even without direct contact and even when there is no consistency)

It may explain some, I couldn't say whether it explains them all as I can't claim to have heard them all.

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The other factors you mentioned did not seem to be a variable during the Apollo movies,
very subtle sounds were recorded (whilst other were not, this could be down to other factors but again there is no consistency)
Some metal on metal hammering is recorded some is not,
ect.

OK, I was talking more specifically about the IIS airlock, rather than Apollo missions at that point.

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A starting point is to watch/listen to each mission flag pole deployment,
Some have hammering sounds some don't,
Some versions of the audio have sound some don't,
some websites claim sound is present some don't,
Ect.

I'll have a listen to the flags getting hammered when I get a chance. One thing that I did notice when I was looking at some clips last week is that a some of the noises sound to me like breathing noises being picked up my the mic, which did sound how you would imagine regolith crunching underfoot might sound. That's why I wanted an actual video and timestamp, so we could talk about the same thing.

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(my personal favourite is the clattering moon buggy compartment lids because it negates the "drum skin" argument, which sometimes happens and sometimes not)

Again, a video and timestamp would be great.
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Re: moon hoax information index.
« Reply #941 on: March 29, 2016, 07:59:30 PM »
It sure is nice spending my time getting my Six Sigma green belt instead of replying to your crap.
@ soko.

The inverse square law supports my argument regarding the subtle noises recorded during the Apollo movies,
I have to wonder if you even understand the inverse square law,
because it goes against your posted reasoning  ;D
Fist I'm still waiting for your supposed movies. Still haven't seen them.  Second how does the inverse square law support our argument? It's doesn't actually apply fully here.  But using it's principle, sound is lost the more distance it travels in the wall. So no, it doesn't support your argument. 

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The "testimony" also goes against your posted arguments for "nothing to see here".
Explain how. You sure are good at being vague. You still can't quote my post like I can quote yours.
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And now you claim im scared of a random YouTube video  ;D

Let me guess....
You require a subject change,
and the video has no original audio.

Am I right ?
It's not a random video. I have posted it many times. No audio? I thought you "enlighten" people didn't like being "spoon feed". But once again, you couldn't even respond to it. I would be scared if I was you. You have nothing.
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Re: moon hoax information index.
« Reply #942 on: March 31, 2016, 03:38:12 PM »
Why I know the moon landings are real; Every single attempt to prove them a hoax has been completely and without question, debunked beyond any and all reasonable doubt.

If you really believe you have ironclad proof it was a hoax, find a lawyer and file a civil case.
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Re: moon hoax information index.
« Reply #943 on: August 28, 2016, 04:20:54 AM »
Why I know the moon landings are real; Every single attempt to prove them a hoax has been completely and without question, debunked beyond any and all reasonable doubt.

If you really believe you have ironclad proof it was a hoax, find a lawyer and file a civil case.

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"beyond any and all reasonable doubt"
 :D

I'm all ears.



Any newbies who feel like they could pick up the baton ?
The old guard up thread made a bit of a pigs ear of it.

I await with interest.
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Re: moon hoax information index.
« Reply #944 on: August 28, 2016, 04:32:15 AM »
The moonlanding is generally accepted as truth. Evidence can be found online.

If you say it's a hoax, it's up to you to prove so.
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Re: moon hoax information index.
« Reply #945 on: August 28, 2016, 04:35:40 AM »
Why I know the moon landings are real; Every single attempt to prove them a hoax has been completely and without question, debunked beyond any and all reasonable doubt.

If you really believe you have ironclad proof it was a hoax, find a lawyer and file a civil case.

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"beyond any and all reasonable doubt"
 :D



If you doubt the moon landings, is your doubt reasonable?

Is it reasonable to say that during the hight of the cold war, with the US and the USSR at the brink of war, the Russians would play along with the supposed faking of the moon landing?

Even if that would shatter the national spirit of the US?

You really think, that if the Russians had even a shred of doubt about the moon landing, they would keep quiet about it?
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Re: moon hoax information index.
« Reply #946 on: August 28, 2016, 05:38:32 AM »
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They are near.

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Moon is looking to wrong direction. :)

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That third picture you already used to replace the original second one when I replied to your comment on other thread.

First video, as I pointed out there, has direction to Sun and direction to Moon perpendicular to each other.
And I asked "do you expect to see anything else but the Half Moon".

Second video shows illuminations on trees that reveal the way the camera moves.
The person recording that video was turning for about 270 degrees from Moon to Sun and back.
Moon is actually to the left from the Sun, but instead of rotating camera directly,
he turns the other, longer way around.

(The tree closest to the Moon, at 0:12, and again at 0:30, is illuminated from the right.
If the camera was followig the closer path from Moon to Sun and back,
the said tree would be illuminated from the left.)

If there was real problem with explanation of Sun-Moon relation,
would we need this dishonesty to expose it?
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Re: moon hoax information index.
« Reply #947 on: August 28, 2016, 11:15:11 AM »
Any newbies who feel like they could pick up the baton ?
The old guard up thread made a bit of a pigs ear of it.

I await with interest.

I'll play.

Every single image of Earth in Apollo photographs, 16mm video and live TV broadcasts can be verified as showing exactly what should be there in terms of the position of the terminator, the landmasses and oceans on view, and the unique meteorological fingerprint of that day's weather as shown in weather satellite images.

Prove they don't.

Photographs, 16mm footage and live TV broadcasts from Apollo show details of rocks and craters that were not known about prior to the missions. These details have been confirmed by later probes. The hardware and human activity around that hardware has been imaged from lunar orbit not just by US probes but also by probes from India and Japan, and those photographs confirm details shown in Apollo images.

Prove otherwise.
Facts won't do what I want them to.

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Re: moon hoax information index.
« Reply #948 on: August 28, 2016, 11:52:47 AM »
It's been proved beyond any doubt that the moon landing shenanigans were just impossible to pull off even if the moon was a real satellite.
The fact that some people don't want to believe it was a hoax does not change the fact that it was.


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Re: moon hoax information index.
« Reply #949 on: August 28, 2016, 12:00:32 PM »
It's been proved beyond any doubt that the moon landing shenanigans were just impossible to pull off even if the moon was a real satellite.
The fact that some people don't want to believe it was a hoax does not change the fact that it was.

Show me that proof. The New York Times is on my speed dial.
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« Reply #950 on: August 28, 2016, 12:13:44 PM »
It's been proved beyond any doubt that the moon landing shenanigans were just impossible to pull off even if the moon was a real satellite.
The fact that some people don't want to believe it was a hoax does not change the fact that it was.

People DO accomplish impossible things.

It was "proved beyond any doubt" that if man or animal travels faster than 60 miles per hour,
the air pressure on lungs will suffocate them.

Or was it 60?
Maybe it was less?

Some old crazy beliefs.
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Re: moon hoax information index.
« Reply #951 on: August 28, 2016, 12:17:17 PM »
It's been proved beyond any doubt that the moon landing shenanigans were just impossible to pull off even if the moon was a real satellite.
The fact that some people don't want to believe it was a hoax does not change the fact that it was.

People DO accomplish impossible things.

It was proven beyond any doubt that if man or animal travels faster than 60 miles per hour,
the air pressure on lungs will suffocate them.

Or was it 60?
Maybe it was less?

Some old crazy beliefs.
No, people do not accomplish impossible things. People accomplish things that other people think are impossible.

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Re: moon hoax information index.
« Reply #952 on: August 28, 2016, 12:23:04 PM »
It's been proved beyond any doubt that the moon landing shenanigans were just impossible to pull off even if the moon was a real satellite.
The fact that some people don't want to believe it was a hoax does not change the fact that it was.

People DO accomplish impossible things.

It was proven beyond any doubt that if man or animal travels faster than 60 miles per hour,
the air pressure on lungs will suffocate them.

Or was it 60?
Maybe it was less?

Some old crazy beliefs.
No, people do not accomplish impossible things. People accomplish things that other people think are impossible.

Exactly.

Like "impossible" Moon landing.

Agreed.
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Re: moon hoax information index.
« Reply #953 on: August 28, 2016, 06:26:03 PM »
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all kinds of things involving sound

I am not going to discuss the video, as you seemed to have answered it anyway.

What I want to know from you, if they faked the moon landings, and they knew very well what to expect up there then why would they let sound throu the mike?

We have a conspiracy that involved the collaboration of multiple countries that have zero interest in the USA agenda. The construction of Billions of dollars worth of equipment. Silencing of thousands of people. Film and CGI teams that would make Hollywood seem like a home YouTube channel. And then they forget to fix the sound? This is super easy to do a recording over, you dont even have to voice sync. Doing sound right would be the easiest part of the entire conspiracy.
"Oh yes they made a mistake and we got them" you will say. Sure, but they have gone over every image and video countless times to conceal the conspiracy, if one got out, why not just pull it from youtube, fix and republish?  I mean, they control pretty much everything according to google, why would they not be able to control their very own content?

Your conspiracy requires superhuman team work and intelligence on the one hand mixed with a bunch of grade 5 school kids.

Your conspiracy makes zero sense?!

To be fair, when people bring up 'Why did they lose Saturn 5 schematics?' 'Why did they lose LEM schematics?' 'Why did they lose Apollo 11 direct transmission recordings' the defenders just say 'Accidents happen'

And this could have happened with the Lunar Orbiters, but thankfully some skillful and passionate people got together to recover their pictures'

I quote from a wikipedia article, them talking how difficult it was to find documentation:

'The documentation for the tape drives was substantially incomplete, which kept the team from understanding the right way to repair, maintain, and use the tape drives. The search for documentation has been extensive and usually disappointing, as it often turns out that retired or elderly engineers have just recently cleaned out their garages. Posting to a blog, Dennis Wingo said, "I cannot tell you how many times we have heard similar stories of recently tossed manuals over the last six months". At just the right moment the team heard from a friend of a friend that a mother lode of maintenance documentation stored on aperture cards (microfilm embedded in computer punch cards) had been saved by the retired head of Ampex field engineering. This documentation would make it possible for the team to understand the correct procedures for repairing the tape drives and aligning the mechanics.'

Was this NASA trying to keep them from ever finding out the truth?

No...

They made it through and recovered countless of pictures,
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« Reply #954 on: August 28, 2016, 06:49:41 PM »
The Saturn V and LM schematics NASA doesn't own.  They are owned by the respective manufacturer of those vehicles.  While paper copies likely don't exist anymore they should all be archived on microfiche.  But neither vehicle would meet today's safety standards.  And IIRC they used some manufacturing techniques to make some parts that don't exist anymore either because better techniques replaced them or they have become automated or both.

As for the Apollo 11 recordings.  Those were all backed up on other media.  The video was never separate but piggybacked on the telemetry tapes (Large reel-to-reel tapes bigger than a dinner plate that each lasted less than an hour).  They were likely written over when Memorex (the manufacturer of the tapes) had a shortage in the years that followed and they were faced with the decision to not collect incoming data from other projects or write over tapes they had (and may not have fully cataloged) but had backed up on other media.  Nothing was ultimately lost.  We have copies of all the video and telemetry.

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Re: moon hoax information index.
« Reply #955 on: August 28, 2016, 07:54:16 PM »
The Saturn V and LM schematics NASA doesn't own.  They are owned by the respective manufacturer of those vehicles.  While paper copies likely don't exist anymore they should all be archived on microfiche.  But neither vehicle would meet today's safety standards.  And IIRC they used some manufacturing techniques to make some parts that don't exist anymore either because better techniques replaced them or they have become automated or both.

As for the Apollo 11 recordings.  Those were all backed up on other media.  The video was never separate but piggybacked on the telemetry tapes (Large reel-to-reel tapes bigger than a dinner plate that each lasted less than an hour).  They were likely written over when Memorex (the manufacturer of the tapes) had a shortage in the years that followed and they were faced with the decision to not collect incoming data from other projects or write over tapes they had (and may not have fully cataloged) but had backed up on other media.  Nothing was ultimately lost.  We have copies of all the video and telemetry.

The video was indeed separated, it had its own signal and frame format specially made for it. telemetry data was recorded on other reels.


In July 1969, three tracking stations received the TV signals of the historic Apollo 11 EVA.
They were the DSN 64 metre antenna at Goldstone, California, the MSFN 26 metre antenna at Honeysuckle Creek, Australia, and the 64 metre CSIRO Parkes Radio Telescope in Australia.

The TV signals transmitted from the Moon
were high quality Slow-Scan TV (SSTV).

When received on Earth, they were scan-converted to the commercial TV standards before being broadcast to the public at large.

The scan-converted TV signals, from each of the three stations, were then relayed via landline, microwave relays and geostationary satellite to Houston before being released to the TV networks for general broadcast.

The signal, as sent from the Moon, was initially degraded by the scan-conversion process, producing lower resolution images and introducing additional signal noise. Also, the transmission of the scan-converted TV to
Houston caused additional signal degradation.
This lower quality TV is currently all that is available of the Apollo 11 EVA.


The SSTV was of superior quality to the scan-converted pictures viewed by the world

The best possible images were only viewed at the receiving stations and at Houston.

As the raw SSTV signals were received at the three tracking stations, they were recorded onto 1-inch magnetic data tapes.
Following the EVA, procedures required that these tapes be shipped to the Goddard Space Flight Center (GSFC).


In 1970, the tapes were placed in the US
National Archives in Accession #69A4099. By
1984, all but two of the over 700 boxes of Apollo era magnetic tapes placed in the
Accession, were removed and returned to the
GSFC for permanent retention. These tapes
are now missing.


These missing data tapes include the raw Apollo11 SSTV tapes. For the past several years,
a search for these tapes has been undertaken by several former Apollo 11 personnel.
To date, no Apollo 11 SSTV tapes have been found.

Today we only have low dynamic range, blurry and noisy footage. Even after recent reconstructions it will never look as good as the raw SSTV.
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Re: moon hoax information index.
« Reply #956 on: August 28, 2016, 08:19:36 PM »
What was recorded on the 1 inch tapes was recorded with the telemetry.  It was piggybacked with the telemtry signal as the video was a late addition to the mission.  Those tapes did have a shortage in the years following. 

From page 233 of "Live TV from the Moon"
"The telemetry tapes contained recordings of all the telemetry data from the LM, which included the information of the TV signal in its original raw form. ... Despite a nearly six year search, the original tapes have not been located.  In a press conference held July 16, 2009 it was revealed that the tapes have been presumably wiped and re-used for later space mission data recordings."


Also interesting to note that the only reason we even know about the tapes is because NASA told us.

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Re: moon hoax information index.
« Reply #957 on: August 28, 2016, 10:34:08 PM »

Was this NASA trying to keep them from ever finding out the truth?

No...

They made it through and recovered countless of pictures,

And the other point here is that the original images from the Lunar Orbiter program are all available in hard copy in books that were printed at the time. I have a original volume of the entire Lunar Orbiter atlas as well as copies of other NASA publications from the program, and many lunar atlases and research papers that contain Orbiter images. They are all out there and always were.

Likewise Apollo images - all publicly available in countless NASA reports as well as newspaper articles magazines and popular books. I've lost count of the number of times I've seen a claim of "newly discovered", "previously secret" or "hidden" NASA photographs used by people to claim some nonsense or other when I've got 40+ year old books on my shelf with them in.
Facts won't do what I want them to.

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Re: moon hoax information index.
« Reply #958 on: August 28, 2016, 11:48:52 PM »
The moonlanding is generally accepted as truth. Evidence can be found online.

If you say it's a hoax, it's up to you to prove so.

If you read the thread this has already being done "beyond any and all reasonable doubt".


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Re: moon hoax information index.
« Reply #959 on: August 29, 2016, 12:59:41 AM »
The moonlanding is generally accepted as truth. Evidence can be found online.

If you say it's a hoax, it's up to you to prove so.

If you read the thread this has already being done "beyond any and all reasonable doubt".

Clearly not, because people are still disputing and doubting claims that it was a hoax.
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