The Flat Earth Society
Other Discussion Boards => Philosophy, Religion & Society => Topic started by: frozen_berries on February 09, 2019, 12:00:25 PM
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How will brexit impact flat earth?
I think after brexit the truth that the earth is flat will finally come out. The british economy will collapse and they won't have the funds to continue the cover up and it will slowly start to unravel. This is one of the reasons why I voted for Brexit.
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UK will be fine. I'd be worried about the EU.
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UK will be fine.
Current advice from the government is to stockpile tinned food. Don't bet on it.
Give the OP this, they are making more sense than most arguments for brexit.
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That's because your government doesn't actually want to act on the vote.
There will be market volatility until new lines of supply and trade agreements are solidified. It's really not the end of the world. There is no sudden global shortage of supply or production of any commodity/product resulting from Brexit. It just takes time for the dust to settle.
Tariffs were going to destroy the US's economy over night, too, about a year ago, and yet, here we are.
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The EU are pissed because they just lost one of the world super powers from their ranks and it may embolden others to do the same. Naturally they want to make it sound like doomsday and inject a lot of fake news to scare people from thinking of doing it
They have an agenda to make sure the UK does as bad as possible. They don't actually have to make it hard for them.
Brexit also makes it harder for a one world government. You have a nuclear power country that has 54 countries comprising of 2.3 billion people under its own commonwealth that told the EU to F U.
The EU needed the UK a hell of a lot more than the UK needs the EU
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I'm going to mosey this thread onto pr&s.
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The EU are pissed because they just lost one of the world super powers from their ranks and it may embolden others to do the same. Naturally they want to make it sound like doomsday and inject a lot of fake news to scare people from thinking of doing it
They have an agenda to make sure the UK does as bad as possible. They don't actually have to make it hard for them.
Brexit also makes it harder for a one world government. You have a nuclear power country that has 54 countries comprising of 2.3 billion people under its own commonwealth that told the EU to F U.
The EU needed the UK a hell of a lot more than the UK needs the EU
You overestimate how much the EU needed the UK lol. The UK was a pretty inconsistent member, their status was always kind of... shaky and they're no longer the superpower they used to be. But of course the EU is trying to punish them because they don't want others to follow their example, but it's not because they desperately need the UK in the union.
I don't understand where the 2.4 billion people thing comes from.
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I don't understand where the 2.4 billion people thing comes from.
The amount of people in 'the commonwealth'
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I don't understand where the 2.4 billion people thing comes from.
The amount of people in 'the commonwealth'
What commonwealth? It's not the 19th century anymore...
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They have an agenda to make sure the UK does as bad as possible. They don't actually have to make it hard for them.
But it's pretty well known that they were going to anyway. This isn't an unexpected situation.
Our government's making it pretty hard to. Taken this long for them to actually bother negotiating or planning a deal.
There will be market volatility until new lines of supply and trade agreements are solidified. It's really not the end of the world. There is no sudden global shortage of supply or production of any commodity/product resulting from Brexit. It just takes time for the dust to settle.
Yep, and who do you think we have to trade with, thus meaning we have to follow basically all the same rules and regulations we would have otherwise, only with zero say over what they are and none of the benefits.
Sure, not the end of the world for everyone. Still means a huge swathe of the country is going to need to do without food and medicine for an yes yet unknown period of time.
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I don't understand where the 2.4 billion people thing comes from.
The amount of people in 'the commonwealth'
What commonwealth? It's not the 19th century anymore...
What commonwealth? Are you serious? Read about the world around you
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I don't understand where the 2.4 billion people thing comes from.
The amount of people in 'the commonwealth'
What commonwealth? It's not the 19th century anymore...
What commonwealth? Are you serious? Read about the world around you
I'm serious, tell me, what the hell is this commonwealth gonna do? The UK is no longer an empire or whatever, the countries are not subjugated to it, it's not a superpower, it's a country, what the hell is the "commonwealth" gonna do? The commonwealth is just a symbolic club, they don't even have trade deals. The EU is an actual union with institutions and obligations. The EU doesn't give a fuck if any individual country leaves, unless that country is Germany or France or whatever. The damage done to the UK is much greater than the damage done to the EU. How it actually does damage the EU is that it sets a precedent for countries leaving it, that's the main issue.
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I don't understand where the 2.4 billion people thing comes from.
The amount of people in 'the commonwealth'
What commonwealth? It's not the 19th century anymore...
What commonwealth? Are you serious? Read about the world around you
I'm serious, tell me, what the hell is this commonwealth gonna do? The UK is no longer an empire or whatever, the countries are not subjugated to it, it's not a superpower, it's a country, what the hell is the "commonwealth" gonna do? The commonwealth is just a symbolic club, they don't even have trade deals. The EU is an actual union with institutions and obligations. The EU doesn't give a fuck if any individual country leaves, unless that country is Germany or France or whatever. The damage done to the UK is much greater than the damage done to the EU. How it actually does damage the EU is that it sets a precedent for countries leaving it, that's the main issue.
If Hungary wanted to leave, it would not be a huge deal. The UK is the crown jewel.
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I don't understand where the 2.4 billion people thing comes from.
The amount of people in 'the commonwealth'
What commonwealth? It's not the 19th century anymore...
What commonwealth? Are you serious? Read about the world around you
I'm serious, tell me, what the hell is this commonwealth gonna do? The UK is no longer an empire or whatever, the countries are not subjugated to it, it's not a superpower, it's a country, what the hell is the "commonwealth" gonna do? The commonwealth is just a symbolic club, they don't even have trade deals. The EU is an actual union with institutions and obligations. The EU doesn't give a fuck if any individual country leaves, unless that country is Germany or France or whatever. The damage done to the UK is much greater than the damage done to the EU. How it actually does damage the EU is that it sets a precedent for countries leaving it, that's the main issue.
If Hungary wanted to leave, it would not be a huge deal. The UK is the crown jewel.
It isn't by a long shot lol. They're not as important as you seem to think, and even if they were they were always kind of inconsistent and not very commited, and they weren't even in the eurozone. The "crown jewel" is Germany. Brexit really isn't that big a deal about the EU materially, some big UK businesses are even leaving the country and coming into the EU. The issue is the precedent it sets.
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I don't understand where the 2.4 billion people thing comes from.
The amount of people in 'the commonwealth'
The commonwealth? lol
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I don't understand where the 2.4 billion people thing comes from.
The amount of people in 'the commonwealth'
The commonwealth? lol
You never heard of either huh?
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There will be market volatility until new lines of supply and trade agreements are solidified. It's really not the end of the world. There is no sudden global shortage of supply or production of any commodity/product resulting from Brexit. It just takes time for the dust to settle.
Yep, and who do you think we have to trade with, thus meaning we have to follow basically all the same rules and regulations we would have otherwise, only with zero say over what they are and none of the benefits.
Sure, not the end of the world for everyone. Still means a huge swathe of the country is going to need to do without food and medicine for an yes yet unknown period of time.
International trade cuts both ways. You always have a say in international trade. You can buy ag products from anywhere. The UK market represents one-in-seven of total German vehicle production. Farmers in France and Spain will have to offload their produce on the international market to whomever was shortchanged by the UK's decision to buy elsewhere at a price point below their current sales. Those both represent major political/economic factions in their respective states. There will be just as much pressure on EU-member governments to find a reasonable trade agreement as within the UK. There will be market instability in the short term, until all that sorts. If they don't reach an agreement, the UK buys elsewhere. Noone is going to starve in the UK, though prices will likely rise short-term absent an agreement. If the UK reaches agreements outside the EU instead, the EU is the biggest loset because of the trade imbalance. Both sides will be pushing for an agreement.
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I am not going to pretend to be all up to date on European politics, but, when I first heard about Brexit 2 or 3 or 5 years ago or whatever, I thought it was a joke. And, when I heard that people were calling for a revote, I knew it was a joke.
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They have an agenda to make sure the UK does as bad as possible. They don't actually have to make it hard for them.
But it's pretty well known that they were going to anyway. This isn't an unexpected situation.
Our government's making it pretty hard to. Taken this long for them to actually bother negotiating or planning a deal.
There will be market volatility until new lines of supply and trade agreements are solidified. It's really not the end of the world. There is no sudden global shortage of supply or production of any commodity/product resulting from Brexit. It just takes time for the dust to settle.
Yep, and who do you think we have to trade with, thus meaning we have to follow basically all the same rules and regulations we would have otherwise, only with zero say over what they are and none of the benefits.
Sure, not the end of the world for everyone. Still means a huge swathe of the country is going to need to do without food and medicine for an yes yet unknown period of time.
I don't know what the problem is. You have a non binding resolution based on false pretenses and propoganda which yields the country nothing but costs it dearly.
Can't the queen just step in and say something queenly like "yo dawg, I'm the queen and I'm saying fuck all this noise. I'm canceling this bullshit and we're returning to feudalism. Queen out. Peace."
I think that's how the queen talks.
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They have an agenda to make sure the UK does as bad as possible. They don't actually have to make it hard for them.
But it's pretty well known that they were going to anyway. This isn't an unexpected situation.
Our government's making it pretty hard to. Taken this long for them to actually bother negotiating or planning a deal.
There will be market volatility until new lines of supply and trade agreements are solidified. It's really not the end of the world. There is no sudden global shortage of supply or production of any commodity/product resulting from Brexit. It just takes time for the dust to settle.
Yep, and who do you think we have to trade with, thus meaning we have to follow basically all the same rules and regulations we would have otherwise, only with zero say over what they are and none of the benefits.
Sure, not the end of the world for everyone. Still means a huge swathe of the country is going to need to do without food and medicine for an yes yet unknown period of time.
I don't know what the problem is. You have a non binding resolution based on false pretenses and propoganda which yields the country nothing but costs it dearly.
Can't the queen just step in and say something queenly like "yo dawg, I'm the queen and I'm saying fuck all this noise. I'm canceling this bullshit and we're returning to feudalism. Queen out. Peace."
I think that's how the queen talks.
Not pompous enough
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Brexit was run in parallel to Trumps election operation. They are both intertwined, and the players are the same.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/02/18/private-mossad-for-hire
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They have an agenda to make sure the UK does as bad as possible. They don't actually have to make it hard for them.
But it's pretty well known that they were going to anyway. This isn't an unexpected situation.
Our government's making it pretty hard to. Taken this long for them to actually bother negotiating or planning a deal.
There will be market volatility until new lines of supply and trade agreements are solidified. It's really not the end of the world. There is no sudden global shortage of supply or production of any commodity/product resulting from Brexit. It just takes time for the dust to settle.
Yep, and who do you think we have to trade with, thus meaning we have to follow basically all the same rules and regulations we would have otherwise, only with zero say over what they are and none of the benefits.
Sure, not the end of the world for everyone. Still means a huge swathe of the country is going to need to do without food and medicine for an yes yet unknown period of time.
I don't know what the problem is. You have a non binding resolution based on false pretenses and propoganda which yields the country nothing but costs it dearly.
Can't the queen just step in and say something queenly like "yo dawg, I'm the queen and I'm saying fuck all this noise. I'm canceling this bullshit and we're returning to feudalism. Queen out. Peace."
I think that's how the queen talks.
The issue is that they don't know how to properly handle these situations. In our referendum, our prime minister got the result he pretended to want but knew that he couldn't follow it through, so he pretended to not ignore the outcome while completely ignoring it. They should have asked him for advice on how to do that.
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The issue is that they don't know how to properly handle these situations. In our referendum, our prime minister got the result he pretended to want but knew that he couldn't follow it through, so he pretended to not ignore the outcome while completely ignoring it. They should have asked him for advice on how to do that.
It wasn't even a binding referendum, which was how they got away with not presenting any actual consistent plan for what they were going to do at the start. It was meant to just gauge public opinion, there were under no obligation to follow through, especially not when it came out that the leave campaign broke electoral law.
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They have an agenda to make sure the UK does as bad as possible. They don't actually have to make it hard for them.
But it's pretty well known that they were going to anyway. This isn't an unexpected situation.
Our government's making it pretty hard to. Taken this long for them to actually bother negotiating or planning a deal.
There will be market volatility until new lines of supply and trade agreements are solidified. It's really not the end of the world. There is no sudden global shortage of supply or production of any commodity/product resulting from Brexit. It just takes time for the dust to settle.
Yep, and who do you think we have to trade with, thus meaning we have to follow basically all the same rules and regulations we would have otherwise, only with zero say over what they are and none of the benefits.
Sure, not the end of the world for everyone. Still means a huge swathe of the country is going to need to do without food and medicine for an yes yet unknown period of time.
I don't know what the problem is. You have a non binding resolution based on false pretenses and propoganda which yields the country nothing but costs it dearly.
Can't the queen just step in and say something queenly like "yo dawg, I'm the queen and I'm saying fuck all this noise. I'm canceling this bullshit and we're returning to feudalism. Queen out. Peace."
I think that's how the queen talks.
The issue is that they don't know how to properly handle these situations. In our referendum, our prime minister got the result he pretended to want but knew that he couldn't follow it through, so he pretended to not ignore the outcome while completely ignoring it. They should have asked him for advice on how to do that.
I sort of think they might be going that route. No sane person in their government wants to go through with this. If I'm understanding this right, they're on a course for a 'Hard Brexit' which would be an utter disaster. The longer they draw that out and the public sobers up the less of a political hit they'll take in just calling the whole thing off or postponing it indefinitely.
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Can someone please just execute all the tories? You'll be much better off without them.
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I sort of think they might be going that route. No sane person in their government wants to go through with this. If I'm understanding this right, they're on a course for a 'Hard Brexit' which would be an utter disaster. The longer they draw that out and the public sobers up the less of a political hit they'll take in just calling the whole thing off or postponing it indefinitely.
From what I've heard it's a bit late now, they're probably gonna have to go ahead with it. Not sure though.
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I sort of think they might be going that route. No sane person in their government wants to go through with this. If I'm understanding this right, they're on a course for a 'Hard Brexit' which would be an utter disaster. The longer they draw that out and the public sobers up the less of a political hit they'll take in just calling the whole thing off or postponing it indefinitely.
You are vastly overestimating the sobriety of the british public. The vote as it was was close (with far from a 100% turn-out), and given how many people voted for protest reasons beyond actually wanting it or were sold on lies who who didn't want a no-deal brexit... it's pretty much established that the number of people that want this is a minority, but enough fear and hatred has been stoked that there will be chaos from them if the government drags it out this long and then backs out.
As far as people in the government go, you're overestimating their sanity. Tories are led by Theresa May who got handed control of a burning car and decided what was really needed was gasoline, and the main opposition is currently led by Corbyn who's pretty much only in power because of a borderline cult of personality and had to kick out half of the party to keep power so he's hardly, well, opposing...
Add into that the BBC adopting the policy that brexit's a done deal and just straight-up not reporting on the controversies and opposition...
At this point what people are asking for is not cancellation, but rather a people's vote now that everyone's more informed about the consequences. Do they want a no-deal brexit, do they want a softer brexit and if so what deal, or do they want to stay?
That'd be the safe way out for them, especially given Farage (guy behind the first referendum) said he'd be campaigning for a second vote if it was as close as it was and he lost, but nope, they're apparently committed to disaster.
There's no way this doesn't end badly.
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Lol if "protest voting" is justified in your case, what the hell are we supposed to do?
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It will be interesting to see the parallels emerge between the Brexit and Trump campaigns, as the Democrat enquiry gets underway.
https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1102705883564466181
I hear rumors that Nigel Farage is about to get charged?
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I hear rumors that Nigel Farage is about to get charged?
This jacket should have got him locked up for life
(https://www.newstatesman.com/sites/default/files/styles/nodeimage/public/blogs_2017/06/2017_22_farage_and_hoey_politics_constit_profiles_rampen.jpg?itok=fsyJ43cH)
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I hear rumors that Nigel Farage is about to get charged?
This jacket should have got him locked up for life
(https://www.newstatesman.com/sites/default/files/styles/nodeimage/public/blogs_2017/06/2017_22_farage_and_hoey_politics_constit_profiles_rampen.jpg?itok=fsyJ43cH)
So are you the fashion police? Do you judge people by what they wear? It may be an odd fashion choice but what he decides to wear is up to him. He's clearly happy so what is it to you? Let's see some of the clothing in your closet. You strike me as a petty bully
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So are you the fashion police? Do you judge people by what they wear?
Judging him by what he wears is going easy on him. If you want to skip the softball and go straight to calling him a cu
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So are you the fashion police? Do you judge people by what they wear?
Judging him by what he wears is going easy on him. If you want to skip the softball and go straight to calling him a cu
He's up to his beady little eyeballs in conspiring to defraud the British voters on brexit. So I'd skip the softball. :)
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I'm not saying he's a great guy. Not at all. The fact that there is a plethora of shit you can hang him for should make it easy
Why lower yourself and make yourself look like an unintelligent dick by making fun of his choice of clothes? With so much shit you could honestly do him on, I mean the clothes??
Also, fashion nazis suck. Your opinion should not oppress others. So Nigel has a bit of a queer eye. Are you people frigging homophobes?
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I'm not saying he's a great guy. Not at all. The fact that there is a plethora of shit you can hang him for should make it easy
Why lower yourself and make yourself look like an unintelligent dick by making fun of his choice of clothes? With so much shit you could honestly do him on, I mean the clothes??
Also, fashion nazis suck. Your opinion should not oppress others. So Nigel has a bit of a queer eye. Are you people frigging homophobes?
You're really building quite a pseudo-rage there shitler.
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I'm not saying he's a great guy. Not at all. The fact that there is a plethora of shit you can hang him for should make it easy
Why lower yourself and make yourself look like an unintelligent dick by making fun of his choice of clothes? With so much shit you could honestly do him on, I mean the clothes??
Also, fashion nazis suck. Your opinion should not oppress others. So Nigel has a bit of a queer eye. Are you people frigging homophobes?
You're really building quite a pseudo-rage there shitler.
Do you like it? ;) 8)
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Yeah, it was OK. I like the suggestion of homophobia.
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British politics is very animated.
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British politics is very animated.
I can't watch anything from their House of Commons without laughing. The noises they make are great.
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I just watched some explainers on what a 3/29 Deal-No Deal Brexit vote means. As an American, obviously wildly self-involved and completely bereft of global awareness, we come to 3/29 and a no deal, no vote happens, what next?
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I really don't think no deal will happen honestly. I might be wrong and UK politicians may be dumber than I thought, but...
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British politics is very animated.
I can't watch anything from their House of Commons without laughing. The noises they make are great.
You are not alone.
We will vote for an extension, the EU will probably say "Y'all go take a jump motherfuckers!"
Teresa will order that the Birmingham plug be pulled and we will sink beneath the north sea singing God save the Queen, you heard it here.
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I just watched some explainers on what a 3/29 Deal-No Deal Brexit vote means. As an American, obviously wildly self-involved and completely bereft of global awareness, we come to 3/29 and a no deal, no vote happens, what next?
Nobody really knows. It's never happened before.
We will probably fire up the engines and push our island out into the Atlantic while we all stand on the cliffs saluting and singing WWII propaganda songs. I know that's what I'll be doing anyway.
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The next PM should tell the EU that the british people are retards and that they're sorry. Then apply to rejoin the EU.
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I might be wrong but I believe the contingency plan is to either join the united States as the 51st state or to attempt to retake the colonies by force. Not all of America, that would be illegal. Just the original 13 colonies.
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Wouldn't want the bottom three, too hickey and hot.
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Wouldn't want the bottom three, too hickey and hot.
Yeah, fuck that. Global warming and intensive agriculture will turn those places in to dust bowls anyway.
We will take New England and rename it to Old England. Quietly dropping the "Old" a few years later.
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The next PM should tell the EU that the british people are retards and that they're sorry. Then apply to rejoin the EU.
The EU doesn't want people to think they can just leave and rejoin if it doesn't go well. They'll probably make it really hard for them to rejoin if they leave. But they haven't left yet.
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Teresa will order that the Birmingham plug be pulled and we will sink beneath the north sea singing God save the Queen, you heard it here.
Good show old chap. Nice to see solid British traditions for self flagellation being upheld.
Cue the chorus singing "Rule Britannia"..
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The next PM should tell the EU that the british people are retards and that they're sorry. Then apply to rejoin the EU.
The EU doesn't want people to think they can just leave and rejoin if it doesn't go well. They'll probably make it really hard for them to rejoin if they leave. But they haven't left yet.
Correction: the EU doesn't want the British people to think they can just leave because they need those British pounds. And, they haven't left yet because they are trying to agree on how much they will let the EU strong arm them.
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The Eu is between a rock and a hard-place, Yes, on the one hand they do not want us to leave, and should we say actually we are staying they would be good with that, but if we do leave they have to make it painful and damaging, to them as well us, otherwise there are those that would follow and the whole edifice collapses, to cheers from all the other collectives.
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How did the EU get this powerful? They are like gangsters shaking people up.
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UK: We don't like you telling us what we need to do. We are leaving.
EU: Fine, you can leave, but nothing will change. You will still have to give us money and live under our legislation.
UK: Hey, that is not fair. Why won't you just leave us alone?
EU: ONE RING TO RULE THEM ALL! And, if you don't like it, we will F you in the A!
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I mean it’s a good idea, collective bargaining, close ties, I voted to stay in, but it/is got/getting federalist, all laws through Brussels, lets have an army but let everybody go where they will, and they didn’t see that this would rankle. I still think it would be best to be in and reform from the inside rather than shut the door on yourself and shout from outside, as to deal with them you must agree to certain terms any way.
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Collective bargaining always means, "Let's negotiate to take this from A and give it to B." It never works out good for either A or B.
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UK: We don't like you telling us what we need to do. We are leaving.
EU: Fine, you can leave, but nothing will change. You will still have to give us money and live under our legislation.
UK: Hey, that is not fair. Why won't you just leave us alone?
EU: ONE RING TO RULE THEM ALL! And, if you don't like it, we will F you in the A!
It's not exactly like that. The EU doesn't have that much of an issue with them being left alone, the UK does. Leaving them alone would be the no deal scenario which everyone hates. That's why the EU has power over them, the EU knows that a no deal is bad for them and is trying to force them to make concessions.
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Correction: the EU doesn't want the British people to think they can just leave because they need those British pounds.
That's a pretty bad assessment of the politics of the EU right now. Keeping other countries from leaving is much more important than keeping a particular country from leaving.
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The UK leaving isn't good for the EU even just on morale grounds because we are decently important within it. The EU just has other countries to fall back on, we don't and if we want to not run out of little things like medicine and food and power in a month we'd need to adhere to all their usual trade conditions anyway so...
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The UK leaving isn't good for the EU even just on morale grounds because we are decently important within it. The EU just has other countries to fall back on, we don't and if we want to not run out of little things like medicine and food and power in a month we'd need to adhere to all their usual trade conditions anyway so...
No, it's definitely not good. It's just worse for the UK than it is for the EU, and if you're going to leave, it's in the long term interests of the EU that you leave with as bad a deal as possible, even if it's also bad for the EU.
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I give up.
When will people wake up to the fact that it is Putin that wants to break up Europe, and stop former soviet satellite countries like Ukraine getting into the EU and NATO.
Brexit is Putin's campaign to weaken the EU, just like the "Stop Hillary at all costs" was designed to stop the US fomenting the colour revolutions, which ultimately would cause the Russian people to overthrow the corrupt Oligarchy that Putin had created.
I doubt Trump and his minions understood the subtlety.
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I doubt Trump and his minions understood the subtlety.
Lucky thing we have you looking out for us.
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I give up.
When will people wake up to the fact that it is Putin that wants to break up Europe, and stop former soviet satellite countries like Ukraine getting into the EU and NATO.
Brexit is Putin's campaign to weaken the EU,
Trust us, we know, there's been plenty of investigation into were the money for the Leave campaign came from. The people being paid are just the ones in power. They're awake to that fact, they just don't care.
Once you get to the point where a referendum that was only advisory, never legally binding and as such they never gave any actual plan for what they would do, gets touted as unavoidable and a must-happen even after it came out that the winning side (after a small enough majority that Farage said, if he'd lost by that margin, he'd be fighting for another referendum) broke electoral law, and adamantly refusing to even see what kind of exit the public wants and pushing for the absolute worst case people-will-literally-die scenario regardless, you get the feeling it's not about helping the country any more.
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I give up.
When will people wake up to the fact that it is Putin that wants to break up Europe, and stop former soviet satellite countries like Ukraine getting into the EU and NATO.
Brexit is Putin's campaign to weaken the EU,
Trust us, we know, there's been plenty of investigation into were the money for the Leave campaign came from. The people being paid are just the ones in power. They're awake to that fact, they just don't care.
Once you get to the point where a referendum that was only advisory, never legally binding and as such they never gave any actual plan for what they would do, gets touted as unavoidable and a must-happen even after it came out that the winning side (after a small enough majority that Farage said, if he'd lost by that margin, he'd be fighting for another referendum) broke electoral law, and adamantly refusing to even see what kind of exit the public wants and pushing for the absolute worst case people-will-literally-die scenario regardless, you get the feeling it's not about helping the country any more.
Nigel Frogface leads a march to London to protest in favour of leave, and promptly leaves. LOL
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I give up.
When will people wake up to the fact that it is Putin that wants to break up Europe, and stop former soviet satellite countries like Ukraine getting into the EU and NATO.
Brexit is Putin's campaign to weaken the EU, just like the "Stop Hillary at all costs" was designed to stop the US fomenting the colour revolutions, which ultimately would cause the Russian people to overthrow the corrupt Oligarchy that Putin had created.
I doubt Trump and his minions understood the subtlety.
Lol Putin isn't behind everything. It's not untrue that it is in his interests to break up the EU, but Brexit is not caused by him and neither are the rest of the anti-EU movements. The recent politics of the EU and the German hegemony are the causes of countries getting pissed off at the EU. In the case of Brexit, it was also racism, because people were very scared of the refugees. You're blowing the influence of Russia completely out of proportion.
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Lol Putin isn't behind everything. It's not untrue that it is in his interests to break up the EU, but Brexit is not caused by him and neither are the rest of the anti-EU movements. The recent politics of the EU and the German hegemony are the causes of countries getting pissed off at the EU. In the case of Brexit, it was also racism, because people were very scared of the refugees. You're blowing the influence of Russia completely out of proportion.
Probably down to both, to an extent. The anti-EU, britain-first attitudes are old hat, as is good old fashioned racism, but major figures in the leave campaign did end up with mysteriously large amounts of funding from Russian sources, and have a few suspicious friends. The attitudes were there, but Putin did take full advantage of them. Though at the end of the day a decent part of the blame does have to come right back to the UK.
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Lol Putin isn't behind everything. It's not untrue that it is in his interests to break up the EU, but Brexit is not caused by him and neither are the rest of the anti-EU movements. The recent politics of the EU and the German hegemony are the causes of countries getting pissed off at the EU. In the case of Brexit, it was also racism, because people were very scared of the refugees. You're blowing the influence of Russia completely out of proportion.
Probably down to both, to an extent. The anti-EU, britain-first attitudes are old hat, as is good old fashioned racism, but major figures in the leave campaign did end up with mysteriously large amounts of funding from Russian sources, and have a few suspicious friends. The attitudes were there, but Putin did take full advantage of them. Though at the end of the day a decent part of the blame does have to come right back to the UK.
I mean, it's not like Russia doesn't try to aid these groups, but there are also many other countries that try to pressure for the opposite so...
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I give up.
When will people wake up to the fact that it is Putin that wants to break up Europe, and stop former soviet satellite countries like Ukraine getting into the EU and NATO.
Brexit is Putin's campaign to weaken the EU, just like the "Stop Hillary at all costs" was designed to stop the US fomenting the colour revolutions, which ultimately would cause the Russian people to overthrow the corrupt Oligarchy that Putin had created.
I doubt Trump and his minions understood the subtlety.
Lol Putin isn't behind everything. It's not untrue that it is in his interests to break up the EU, but Brexit is not caused by him and neither are the rest of the anti-EU movements. The recent politics of the EU and the German hegemony are the causes of countries getting pissed off at the EU. In the case of Brexit, it was also racism, because people were very scared of the refugees. You're blowing the influence of Russia completely out of proportion.
Got to agree. The "it's Putin wot did it" ignores a much more complicated issue and overplays Putin's powers and abilities.
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I give up.
When will people wake up to the fact that it is Putin that wants to break up Europe, and stop former soviet satellite countries like Ukraine getting into the EU and NATO.
Brexit is Putin's campaign to weaken the EU, just like the "Stop Hillary at all costs" was designed to stop the US fomenting the colour revolutions, which ultimately would cause the Russian people to overthrow the corrupt Oligarchy that Putin had created.
I doubt Trump and his minions understood the subtlety.
Lol Putin isn't behind everything. It's not untrue that it is in his interests to break up the EU, but Brexit is not caused by him and neither are the rest of the anti-EU movements. The recent politics of the EU and the German hegemony are the causes of countries getting pissed off at the EU. In the case of Brexit, it was also racism, because people were very scared of the refugees. You're blowing the influence of Russia completely out of proportion.
Got to agree. The "it's Putin wot did it" ignores a much more complicated issue and overplays Putin's powers and abilities.
Sorry, Putin did in fact do it, and he's still doing it. The Russians have weaponized social media and the west has yet to catch on and figure out how to combat their game.
They know full well the triggers that will spark outrage and reaction from both sides of any issue. They know their target audience, and how to manipulate the psyche of the stalwart Brits.
Don't agree.... well, consider the following, and remember Cambridge Analytica had facebook data on hundreds of millions of users.
With just 10 likes, a computer model fundamentally knows you better than a colleague, according to additional research published by Kosinski in 2015. With 70 likes, it knows you better than a friend or roommate; with 150 likes, better than a family member. And with 300 likes, Big Data knows you better than your spouse.
I should add, that there were advance warnings that Russia was heading in this direction.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2017/01/18/russias-radical-new-strategy-for-information-warfare/?utm_term=.3599f3691928
At the infoforum in 2016, Andrey Krutskikh claimed they had developed the social media equivalent of nuclear weapons. In retrospect he was right.
Quoting Krutskikh:-
According to notes of Krutskikh’s speech, he told his Russian audience: “You think we are living in 2016. No, we are living in 1948. And do you know why? Because in 1949, the Soviet Union had its first atomic bomb test. And if until that moment, the Soviet Union was trying to reach agreement with [President Harry] Truman to ban nuclear weapons, and the Americans were not taking us seriously, in 1949 everything changed and they started talking to us on an equal footing.”
Krutskikh continued, “I’m warning you: We are at the verge of having ‘something’ in the information arena, which will allow us to talk to the Americans as equals.
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With just 10 likes, a computer model fundamentally knows you better than a colleague, according to additional research published by Kosinski in 2015. With 70 likes, it knows you better than a friend or roommate; with 150 likes, better than a family member. And with 300 likes, Big Data knows you better than your spouse.
That sounds foreboding until you realize it's just someone's opinion.
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Sorry, Putin did in fact do it
Yeah, right. Putin went back in time and caused decades of ambivalence and, from large sections of the population, downright dislike and distrust of the EU. Including pretty much every member of the ruling Conservative party. That was all him.
Him and his goons have definitely influenced things, but so has a thousand other factors.
At the infoforum in 2016, Andrey Krutskikh claimed they had developed the social media equivalent of nuclear weapons. In retrospect he was right.
More like the social media equivalent of car bombs. Nasty, but not an existential threat.
Part of the trick Putin as played is getting us to overestimate his powers.
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Sorry, Putin did in fact do it
Yeah, right. Putin went back in time and caused decades of ambivalence and, from large sections of the population, downright dislike and distrust of the EU. Including pretty much every member of the ruling Conservative party. That was all him.
Him and his goons have definitely influenced things, but so has a thousand other factors.
At the infoforum in 2016, Andrey Krutskikh claimed they had developed the social media equivalent of nuclear weapons. In retrospect he was right.
More like the social media equivalent of car bombs. Nasty, but not an existential threat.
Part of the trick Putin as played is getting us to overestimate his powers.
You underestimate the power of social media to shape the narrative and propagate cleverly constructed misinformation.
But you are correct in the sense that the distrust and dislike of the EU was already there. But was it sufficient to throw the country into chaos. I doubt it. The French and English have been at loggerheads for hundreds of years, and I won't mention the Germans if you don't... for god's sake don't mention the war, I did once and I think I got away with it.
The trolls are manipulating and playing it perfectly. Some might say you might not even notice you've been had.
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If Brexit is to England as Trump is to the US then what the crab says rings true. Putin did not invent these divisions. He does try to exploit them. But this division in America exists independently of Putin. I'm assuming the same holds true in England.
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Damn right, bloody John foreigner, pulled up the drawbridge, forgot we'd let the damn French in through the tunnel!
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Yep. You guys definitely need a wall in addition to your moat. And you need to make France pay for it.
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The Tories in England are worse than the Republicans in America.
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The Tories in England are worse than the Republicans in America.
Do you mean they're Democrats?
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I like how Putin is basically an omnipotent being at this point and nothing bad would ever happen if he wasn't involved. Putin did not do Brexit. Putin did not elect Trump. He had some part in influencing people's opinions, which may have been somewhat significant. He is not all controlling. Every other superpower does what he's doing.
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I like how Putin is basically an omnipotent being at this point and nothing bad would ever happen if he wasn't involved. Putin did not do Brexit. Putin did not elect Trump. He had some part in influencing people's opinions, which may have been somewhat significant. He is not all controlling. Every other superpower does what he's doing.
Bzzzt wrong. He swung the Brexit vote towards leave, and he got Trump elected. The evidence is already well proven.
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There is evidence that he made an effort, yes. However the extent of which he was effective I'm a little skeptical of. Without him would things have turned out differently? I don't know. I do know that in the US if I could pick one thing about democracy to fix there's many things I'd pick before foreign interference. Gerrymandering, the electoral college, Citizens United, voter suppression, first past the post voting, to me these are bigger issues.
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There is evidence that he made an effort, yes. However the extent of which he was effective I'm a little skeptical of. Without him would things have turned out differently? I don't know. I do know that in the US if I could pick one thing about democracy to fix there's many things I'd pick before foreign interference. Gerrymandering, the electoral college, Citizens United, voter suppression, first past the post voting, to me these are bigger issues.
Start here ... After you've caught up with that, we can look at the Indictments of Russian Military intelligence and the IRA operation.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/01/how-russia-helped-to-swing-the-election-for-trump
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He swung the Brexit vote towards leave, and he got Trump elected.
He was an influence. If you're going to focus entirely on blaming Putin you're just going to miss the problems you already have. UKIP existed before Putin got involved, racism existed long before he was even born, blindly voting for a party independent of candidate has been a systemic problem for a while. Whether he gave a last little push, that's possible, they were both close calls. But you can't blame him exclusively, plenty of other people got started with the pushing first.
No one's saying Russia didn't get involved, but if they had total control of a candidate they'd just put Vladimir Putin in a trucker hat in the White House. They work with what's already there. Trying to absolve the UK or US of partial responsibility is just going to let it happen again without foreign interference.
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Bzzzt wrong. He swung the Brexit vote towards leave, and he got Trump elected. The evidence is already well proven.
It's "well proven" is it? I mean, you haven't actually presented any hard data here, and I'm not sure any could ever exist as causality is never going to be impossible to prove one way or the other in something as complicated as an election.
The fact is the UK has had a on-off relationship with with the EU since we joined. Three quarters of our press has been rabidly anti-europe since we joined. Anyone of a certain age in the UK will remember this Sun front page from 1990
(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/2545571.main_image.jpg?strip=all)
You don't think decade after decade of this shit has an effect far greater than Putin's pissing around on social media? The Daily Mail and The Express have been even worse. And in the "broadsheets" you have the Telegraph pumping anti-EU stories out into the old boys and gals who make up the Conservative party membership and are 90% opposed to EU membership and always have been.
Seriously, your boy Murdoch has been far more influential on British politics and than Putin could ever dream of.
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It's "well proven" is it? I mean, you haven't actually presented any hard data here,
https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf
In case you don't care to read the gory details..
We assess Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the US
presidential election. Russia’s goals were to undermine public faith in the US democratic process,
denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. We further assess
Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump. We
have high confidence in these judgments.
back to Brexit...
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/17/why-isnt-there-greater-outrage-about-russian-involvement-in-brexit
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It’s both/all the above, but when the electoral commission says there were financial irregularities, questions about the sources of Arron Banks donations and collusion between the out groups, I for one, are for using this to get a fairer re-vote on something I think the country would like to change its mind on.
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Was the referendum legally binding?
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Was the referendum legally binding?
Shouldn't have been. It was meant to only be advisory, gauge public opinion, that was how they got away without actually presenting any plan.
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Was the referendum legally binding?
Shouldn't have been. It was meant to only be advisory, gauge public opinion, that was how they got away without actually presenting any plan.
Then why are people actually going through with this shitshow?
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Listen here, JerkFace! I actually agree with you a little, this time. Putin did what he could to both bring on Brexit, and elect Trump, as well as numerous other things that you or I will never know.
That being said, the US does this all of the time, and so does the UK, China, and many others. I am not excusing any of their actions, just agreeing that all world powers want elected people in other countries who are 'allies' and they do things, whether it is moral or not, to get their people elected.
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It's "well proven" is it? I mean, you haven't actually presented any hard data here,
https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf
Well, as long as the CIA says it, then it must be true. Right?
In case you don't care to read the gory details..
No, I didn't. I'm debating Brexit here, which is what the thread is about.
We assess Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the US
presidential election. Russia’s goals were to undermine public faith in the US democratic process,
denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. We further assess
Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump. We
have high confidence in these judgments.
OK, that's their assessment that Putin "ordered an influence campaign" - I don't think that is controversial - he's definitely messing with Western politics, just like we mess with theirs. The debate is how much effect, if any, it had. Again, have you any hard data to support your assertion that "Putin won Brexit and the American presidential campaign"?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/17/why-isnt-there-greater-outrage-about-russian-involvement-in-brexit
Great, and opinion piece from a journalist. Nothing wrong with it, but it does not provide any data on how influential Putin's messing was on Brexit. Personally, compared to other factors, like our rabidly anti-EU press, I think it was marginal.
Murdoch (another foreign actor who doesn't have our country's best interests in mind) has more influence on anglo-politics than Putin can dream of.
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So far JerkFace has posted an article where one academic said that maybe Putin had a decisive influence on the US elections, a statement by the dni which says that he tried to, and an opinion piece that says there was collusion for Brexit, all the while ignoring that Russia is not the only one doing this, that there were far more important influences coming from inside the country, and painting Putin as some omnipotent being. The whole "Putin did it" meme is used so that people can explain away their incompetence and shortcomings and to ignore much more serious underlying tensions, and pin their failures on an external factor. It's not that Russia has no influence on these things. But there are sooo many much more significant factors at play.
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So far JerkFace has posted an article where one academic said that maybe Putin had a decisive influence on the US elections, a statement by the dni which says that he tried to, and an opinion piece that says there was collusion for Brexit, all the while ignoring that Russia is not the only one doing this, that there were far more important influences coming from inside the country, and painting Putin as some omnipotent being. The whole "Putin did it" meme is used so that people can explain away their incompetence and shortcomings and to ignore much more serious underlying tensions, and pin their failures on an external factor. It's not that Russia has no influence on these things. But there are sooo many much more significant factors at play.
I don't believe that Trump would not have won without Putin's or other's help. I just think that Putin and China and the rest did not want that bitch in charge, like the rest of us, and did what they could to make sure the lesser of two evils won.
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Trump's win was so razor thin that you could pretty much blame it on anything. If any one factor that helped Trump didn't happen then we'd probably have president Hillary right now. James Comey probably did more to help Trump win than Putin did by very loudly opening another investigation into her a week before the election.
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Razor thing? Take a look at this map. The only reason Hillary got any votes was because of California and New York.
(https://www.realclearpolitics.com/incls/ap_results/2016_general/live_map_president.png?1553029257647?1553029318756?1553029378745)
Heck, if you look at a map of California, it is mostly red as well.
(https://ettcarworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/california-election-results-by-county-map-printable-maps-california-map-election-2016-of-california-election-results-by-county-map-768x704.png)
Hillary got most of her votes from a few counties in California and New York, the places where libards live, unlike us normal people.
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A normal American? There's no such thing.
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If you look at this map, the entire country is almost all red. It would seem that almost all counties voted for Trump.
(http://i67.tinypic.com/121de6d.jpg)
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The blue patches are the major metropolitan areas. The majority of the people live there. It's important to remember that this country is mostly empty space.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcToybJdOhTtxTQykulNBvZcFNU8O-wpFtzGnnL9vEIaRzb_W9tJlQ)
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It is not empty space. I live in your "empty space." The two small high density little patches on the map do not represent the whole country, even though, if we were a true democracy, they would determine the leaders for everyone. This is why we had a civil war 150 years ago: because tiny little high density places want to tell the rest of the country what to do. This is also why we have the electoral college.
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Getting back on topic, this is also why people in a country like England don't want people in a place like Brussels telling them what to do.
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So far JerkFace has posted an article where one academic said that maybe Putin had a decisive influence on the US elections, a statement by the dni which says that he tried to, and an opinion piece that says there was collusion for Brexit, all the while ignoring that Russia is not the only one doing this, that there were far more important influences coming from inside the country, and painting Putin as some omnipotent being. The whole "Putin did it" meme is used so that people can explain away their incompetence and shortcomings and to ignore much more serious underlying tensions, and pin their failures on an external factor. It's not that Russia has no influence on these things. But there are sooo many much more significant factors at play.
I don't believe that Trump would not have won without Putin's or other's help. I just think that Putin and China and the rest did not want that bitch in charge, like the rest of us, and did what they could to make sure the lesser of two evils won.
>tfw you think a bigoted pathological liar is the lesser evil
Do you have a problem with gay people or somethin'?
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Getting back on topic, this is also why people in a country like England don't want people in a place like Brussels telling them what to do.
What is "also"? What are you talking about?
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Apparently, it’s all about Murica, give him a minute and there will be guns.
It was the same call to a mythical freedom/golden age that was being trampled by them damn bureaucrats, an easy route of blaming the foreigners so you don’t have to tax your brain into looking beyond what the mirror, mail, Sun say, yes Putin almost certainly was there and Murdoch’s agenda too, but ultimately we the voters have to take the blame for being so dumb and compliant.
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So far JerkFace has posted an article where one academic said that maybe Putin had a decisive influence on the US elections, a statement by the dni which says that he tried to, and an opinion piece that says there was collusion for Brexit, all the while ignoring that Russia is not the only one doing this, that there were far more important influences coming from inside the country, and painting Putin as some omnipotent being. The whole "Putin did it" meme is used so that people can explain away their incompetence and shortcomings and to ignore much more serious underlying tensions, and pin their failures on an external factor. It's not that Russia has no influence on these things. But there are sooo many much more significant factors at play.
I don't believe that Trump would not have won without Putin's or other's help. I just think that Putin and China and the rest did not want that bitch in charge, like the rest of us, and did what they could to make sure the lesser of two evils won.
>tfw you think a bigoted pathological liar is the lesser evil
Do you have a problem with gay people or somethin'?
I have no problem with your people. I am diversified.
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Getting back on topic, this is also why people in a country like England don't want people in a place like Brussels telling them what to do.
What is "also"? What are you talking about?
I am sorry. I did not realize that you had such a problem with understanding the English language.
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/brexit-france-theresa-may-deal-nathalie-loiseau-cat-a8828026.html
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Getting back on topic, this is also why people in a country like England don't want people in a place like Brussels telling them what to do.
What is "also"? What are you talking about?
I am sorry. I did not realize that you had such a problem with understanding the English language.
You probably think you made a good point, but all we got was some bollocks about Trump a distribution map of the US with retards in red, and then you saying that is why the British don’t like brussels, do it again sober.
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do it again sober.
That was what your mom told me. :(
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I don't get the Brexit drama.
Can't someone just stand on a soapbox and shout, "Fuck you, we quit the EU!"
and be done with it?
I know it's not that simple, but, how can it take so long?
Lawyers are getting rich.
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do it again sober.
That was what your mom told me. :(
Again with the necrophilia, are all your cousins in jail?
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I don't get the Brexit drama.
Can't someone just stand on a soapbox and shout, "Fuck you, we quit the EU!"
and be done with it?
I know it's not that simple, but, how can it take so long?
Lawyers are getting rich.
Because trade with the EU is how we get little things like medicine and food and the resources necessary to actually power the country.
It took this long because the guy hired to negotiate a deal did literally anything until the last couple of months, and May's doing the same to try and scare people into accepting any deal she proposes because she knows that there's no deal as good as being part of the EU.
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I don't get the Brexit drama.
Can't someone just stand on a soapbox and shout, "Fuck you, we quit the EU!"
and be done with it?
I know it's not that simple, but, how can it take so long?
Lawyers are getting rich.
Because trade with the EU is how we get little things like medicine and food and the resources necessary to actually power the country.
It took this long because the guy hired to negotiate a deal did literally anything until the last couple of months, and May's doing the same to try and scare people into accepting any deal she proposes because she knows that there's no deal as good as being part of the EU.
Do you get to elect the people who represent you in Brussels?
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Do you get to elect the people who represent you in Brussels?
As much as we do in our parliament, yep.
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Because trade with the EU is how we get little things like medicine and food and the resources necessary to actually power the country.
Do EU members get some insider discounts on these commodities?
The USofA will not stand by and allow you to die of famine or disease.
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do it again sober.
That was what your mom told me. :(
are all your cousins in jail?
All of my cousins live in France, Germany, and Chile. Thanks for reminding me about how little I get to see them. Do you want to kick me in the balls next?
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Because trade with the EU is how we get little things like medicine and food and the resources necessary to actually power the country.
Do EU members get some insider discounts on these commodities?
The USofA will not stand by and allow you to die of famine or disease.
You have to adhere to all the EU's regulations to trade with any member of the EU. That's kinda what people are objecting to. We need to reform and renegotiate all those relationships, or find sources outside of it. Plus we'd likely be trading under WTO rules rather than EU rules, so we basically do have an insider discount. Then on top of that you have multinational corporations whose status suddenly becomes a massive question mark.
The only stable way to progress is to keep our borders open to people and companies from within the EU and stick to EU rules (generally not something the leavers want), while having zero say in anything the EU does. Alternatively we function after losing trading partners or trading deals or the companies responsible for a lot of business and have to scramble to recover from that. There's no way we end up better off.
Yeah, the US's foreign policy is all about charity. Sure, in a couple of decades the UK probably won't be a smoking crater, that doesn't mean there aren't going to be problems and consequences for people now, especially EU nationals and families that live in the UK. You could barely even give aid to Puerto Rico after a freaking hurricane, I don't have much hope for a solid trading relationship reaching Europe.
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Do you get to elect the people who represent you in Brussels?
As much as we do in our parliament, yep.
Are you saying that your parliament does not matter, or that your vote doesn't matter? Again, I am not up to date on the EU politics.
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You could barely even give aid to Puerto Rico after a freaking hurricane,
Puerto Rico was stabilized. Betterment is never part of the equation.
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Like all democracies, we get to vote for our MEPs but what those MEPs then do is beyond our control.
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Like all democracies, we get to vote for our MEPs but what those MEPs then do is beyond our control.
What's a MEP?
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An MEP is a Member of the European Parliament. An MP that works for the UK in Brussels. Basically a freeloader with no moral compass who enjoys a career on the gravy train.
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The Brexiters would have you believe that our government doesn’t matter in the face of EU regulation as some laws are made there, but by being part of it we are in the decision making, the right doesn’t like the employment or environmental legislation and the open borders, and we kind of gave away our fishing grounds to big factory concerns for some reason, but like Jane says to deal with the EU in Europe you need to abide by many of the rules, if we leave we will still have those mostly in place but have no say in the formulation.
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I remember when the EU first coagulated. Way back when.
My first thought was, "Who the hell would vote for more government?"
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if we leave we will still have those mostly in place but have no say in the formulation.
When, rather than if. The rules that are made in Europe and that we in the UK apparently have some say in, will have no meaning when we leave. No more than EU laws have any meaning to the US.
The EU has become a club that any country can join and reap the 'benefits' of regardless of any financial input from that country. Who would want to pay to be part of a golf club that then allowed just anyone to enter, free of charge and without owning their own equipment who then relied on borrowing other members gear?
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Are you saying that your parliament does not matter, or that your vote doesn't matter? Again, I am not up to date on the EU politics.
That we do get as much of a say as we reasonably can in a democracy. We vote for people who then go represent us in the EU as MEPs. They have as much say as our local MPs.
I remember when the EU first coagulated. Way back when.
My first thought was, "Who the hell would vote for more government?"
People who realise that countries that try to go at it alone tend not to do as well as when they work together. Like government in general, no one claims it's perfect but it's the least worst option.
The rules that are made in Europe and that we in the UK apparently have some say in, will have no meaning when we leave.
That's just not true. If we want to trade with Europe we need to follow all the same criteria that the EU already does, or they just won't trade with us; the same tariffs, the same regulations in charge of safety and quality etc. If you want to not trade with our nearest neighbours, well then it's going to get plenty harder with that step alone, let alone trying to cut deals.
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Are you saying that we will have to comply with EU laws just to deal with them? That's not true and I can't see why it would be. The EU has already said that tariffs would not apply to the UK when we leave.
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The US was once an English colony, with no say in parliament. "Taxation without representation" is a common phrase here.
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Are you saying that we will have to comply with EU laws just to deal with them? That's not true and I can't see why it would be. The EU has already said that tariffs would not apply to the UK when we leave.
Only if we don't want to deal with them. You have to follow the regulations of your trading partners, that's how trade works.
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The US was once an English colony, with no say in parliament. "Taxation without representation" is a common phrase here.
Very similar to the UK today. We are represented in spirit only, nothing actually happens that benefits the UK.
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The US was once an English colony, with no say in parliament. "Taxation without representation" is a common phrase here.
Very similar to the UK today. We are represented in spirit only, nothing actually happens that benefits the UK.
Exactly. Thank you for your support.
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No problem. Now you see why the UK wants to leave the EU?
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That is what I have been saying. Most of the UK don't like giving their money to other people who do not have it, or like for other countries to tell them they have to do it.
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On that, I agree with you and so do the majority of the UK do too as proved by the Brexit referendum result.
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Freedom does not care what continent you are on.
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On that, I agree with you and so do the majority of the UK do too as proved by the Brexit referendum result.
For context.
(http://i.imgur.com/x0pXIZF.jpg)
And the fact a lot of the people that voted leave did so as a protest vote, or based on propaganda, or still would not have voted for this trainwreck heading right for no deal.
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The US was once an English colony, with no say in parliament. "Taxation without representation" is a common phrase here.
Very similar to the UK today. We are represented in spirit only, nothing actually happens that benefits the UK.
Bullshit.
That depends if you value paid holidays (working time directives 98), Science, £730 million of research grants funnelled through our universities giving them a boost, also collaborative science projects in Space and medicine have improved both, more than if we did it alone, Our seas and rivers have been cleaned up and our air should be if we didn’t keep breaking the rules.
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On that, I agree with you and so do the majority of the UK do too as proved by the Brexit referendum result.
For context.
(http://i.imgur.com/x0pXIZF.jpg)
And the fact a lot of the people that voted leave did so as a protest vote, or based on propaganda, or still would not have voted for this trainwreck heading right for no deal.
Jane, are you eligible to run for PM? I would commit voter fraud for you if you promise to fix this shitshow
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When the conservatives got in, did anyone demand another vote because they didn't like the result or they didn't realise they could vote?
If Man City lose to Chelsea, no point in crying about it and demanding a re-match.
I agree though, it is a shitshow and needs to be fixed.
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I remember when the EU first coagulated. Way back when.
My first thought was, "Who the hell would vote for more government?"
People who realise that countries that try to go at it alone tend not to do as well as when they work together. Like government in general, no one claims it's perfect but it's the least worst option.
What problem did the EU solve?
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When the conservatives got in, did anyone demand another vote because they didn't like the result or they didn't realise they could vote?
We get a chance to vote every 5 years. Shall we do this with the referendum as well?
If Man City lose to Chelsea, no point in crying about it and demanding a re-match.
I'm not sure why you think this is relevant?
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If the FA found out that Chelsea had cheated they would.
£61,000 fine from the electoral commission for breaking spending rules, £40,000 fine from the privacy watchdog for nearly 200,000 unsolicited text messages.....
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I remember when the EU first coagulated. Way back when.
My first thought was, "Who the hell would vote for more government?"
People who realise that countries that try to go at it alone tend not to do as well as when they work together. Like government in general, no one claims it's perfect but it's the least worst option.
What problem did the EU solve?
Were you aware that 100% of the world wars started because Europeans fell out?
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..and the EU solved that?
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Name one world war since we joined?
That would have to be WWIII that hasn't happened, but oh no you just had to go and vote for war didn't you.
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I don't remember any world wars between 1945 and when we joined in the 70's? Who stopped them?
I was taking you seriously until your last comment.
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I don't remember any world wars between 1945 and when we joined in the 70's? Who stopped them?
I was taking you seriously until your last comment.
LOL
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The EU has actually probably stopped wars, but probably not wars that would have been waged between its members, but wars between non-EU and EU countries. Just look at Cyprus, which was extremely precarious before it joined.
The EU has done lots of good stuff actually, like useful consumer protection laws, environmental programs, research, infrastructure and growth grants, beneficial free trade and travel between members, a strong common currency with low inflation, etc. However it's also responsible for lots of very awful stuff (some of them being the other side of the coin to the positive stuff mentioned before) which is why some people want out and some want reform. Widespread radical reform is the best option but it is really hard to achieve that, so we're in a bit of a pickle.
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The EU has actually probably stopped wars,
Which ones?
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The EU has actually probably stopped wars,
Which ones?
The ones that didn't happen... sheesh... get with the program.
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I don't remember any world wars between 1945 and when we joined in the 70's? Who stopped them?
I was taking you seriously until your last comment.
You missed the cold war? You didn't know about the nuclear arms race?
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The EU has actually probably stopped wars,
Which ones?
The ones that didn't happen... sheesh... get with the program.
Remember that time there was that thing
that was all Ahhhhhh and everyone went Ehhhhhh
and sabers rattled and nobody gave a fuck?
Is that one of the averted wars? ::)
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The EU has actually probably stopped wars,
Which ones?
Should have said averted. But yeah, I gave you an example of a country in a very precarious situation. Lots of countries feel much safer within the EU.
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Remember that time there was that thing
that was all Ahhhhhh and everyone went Ehhhhhh
and sabers rattled and nobody gave a fuck?
Is that one of the averted wars? ::)
Nope that was the Cuban Missile Crisis.
And then, Elvis stopped the Soviet invasion of Europe by recording GI blues. Or maybe that was NATO?
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The EU has actually probably stopped wars,
Which ones?
Should have said averted. But yeah, I gave you an example of a country in a very precarious situation. Lots of countries feel much safer within the EU.
Oh, good lord, let's say Chad attacked France. Do you think it requires the EU to flatten Chad?
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The EU has actually probably stopped wars,
Which ones?
Should have said averted. But yeah, I gave you an example of a country in a very precarious situation. Lots of countries feel much safer within the EU.
Oh, good lord, let's say Chad attacked France. Do you think it requires the EU to flatten Chad?
Let's say Turkey attacks Cyprus, which they did, in 1974, maybe being in the EU could help them, no?
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The EU has actually probably stopped wars,
Which ones?
Should have said averted. But yeah, I gave you an example of a country in a very precarious situation. Lots of countries feel much safer within the EU.
Oh, good lord, let's say Chad attacked France. Do you think it requires the EU to flatten Chad?
Let's say Turkey attacks Cyprus, which they did, in 1974, maybe being in the EU could help them, no?
What kind of stupid fucking logic is that?
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The EU has actually probably stopped wars,
Which ones?
Should have said averted. But yeah, I gave you an example of a country in a very precarious situation. Lots of countries feel much safer within the EU.
Oh, good lord, let's say Chad attacked France. Do you think it requires the EU to flatten Chad?
Let's say Turkey attacks Cyprus, which they did, in 1974, maybe being in the EU could help them, no?
What kind of stupid fucking logic is that?
The kind of logic that you would only understand if you were mediating between Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots.
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The EU has actually probably stopped wars,
Which ones?
Should have said averted. But yeah, I gave you an example of a country in a very precarious situation. Lots of countries feel much safer within the EU.
Oh, good lord, let's say Chad attacked France. Do you think it requires the EU to flatten Chad?
Let's say Turkey attacks Cyprus, which they did, in 1974, maybe being in the EU could help them, no?
What kind of stupid fucking logic is that?
You said that France does not need the EU to defend against Chad. I'm telling you that maybe that's true, but Cyprus does need the EU to defend against Turkey.
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The EU has actually probably stopped wars,
Which ones?
Should have said averted. But yeah, I gave you an example of a country in a very precarious situation. Lots of countries feel much safer within the EU.
Oh, good lord, let's say Chad attacked France. Do you think it requires the EU to flatten Chad?
Let's say Turkey attacks Cyprus, which they did, in 1974, maybe being in the EU could help them, no?
What kind of stupid fucking logic is that?
The kind of logic that you would only understand if you were mediating between Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots.
And therein lies my ignorance.
Back to you, sir.
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The EU has actually probably stopped wars, but probably not wars that would have been waged between its members, but wars between non-EU and EU countries. Just look at Cyprus, which was extremely precarious before it joined.
The EU has done lots of good stuff actually, like useful consumer protection laws, environmental programs, research, infrastructure and growth grants, beneficial free trade and travel between members, a strong common currency with low inflation, etc. However it's also responsible for lots of very awful stuff (some of them being the other side of the coin to the positive stuff mentioned before) which is why some people want out and some want reform. Widespread radical reform is the best option but it is really hard to achieve that, so we're in a bit of a pickle.
"Lots of good stuff versus lots of VERY awful stuff" - Now, which would most people choose? Sounds more like a description of Nazi Germany.
Interesting to read your comment about Cyprus being "extremely precarious" before joining....in what way?
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When you can't take anything more from the public without them rising up, you create something that can continue to scrape every last penny.
Brexit.
Something that weirdly costs billions and billions to implement and even more billions to drag out, only to end up with nothing to gain for any of us but plenty to gain for those who the gain is designed for.
And so on and so on.
They may as well just feed us gruel and be done with it...and they would if they could get the minnows to keep them in their accustomed lavishness without having to suffer the consequences of their actions.
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Seem clear enough...
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/21/petitions-site-crashes-after-thousands-back-call-to-revoke-article-50?CMP=twt_gu
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From the Guardian:
The best way to see where the "Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU" petition is being signed is on the @ODILeeds hexmap viewer. A clear pattern, extremely concentrated in just a few places, and a very strong correlation with places that voted Remain. https://t.co/Fg9ZjycUdG pic.twitter.com/VdpcXHcKlw
March 20, 2019
"a very strong correlation with places that voted Remain." Surprise, surprise.
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The Germans are on to Banksy's game... LOL
https://twitter.com/freeWorld2/status/1108107624808136710
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To be honest, most of the population is switched off.
We're fed a load of nonsense with a smidge....I say, a "smidge" of truth.
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The EU has actually probably stopped wars,
Which ones?
Should have said averted. But yeah, I gave you an example of a country in a very precarious situation. Lots of countries feel much safer within the EU.
Oh, good lord, let's say Chad attacked France. Do you think it requires the EU to flatten Chad?
Let's say Turkey attacks Cyprus, which they did, in 1974, maybe being in the EU could help them, no?
Think you'll find that BRITAIN helped back then, not the EU, even though Cyprus didn't want us there. Turkey are likely to be joining the EU in the near future, so how would the EU deal with an attack by them on a fellow EU country like Cyprus? The EU stops wars remember.
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The EU has actually probably stopped wars,
Which ones?
Should have said averted. But yeah, I gave you an example of a country in a very precarious situation. Lots of countries feel much safer within the EU.
Oh, good lord, let's say Chad attacked France. Do you think it requires the EU to flatten Chad?
Let's say Turkey attacks Cyprus, which they did, in 1974, maybe being in the EU could help them, no?
Think you'll find that BRITAIN helped back then, not the EU, even though Cyprus didn't want us there.
I already said they weren't in the EU back then. And Britain didn't help. And they were right not to want you there because it was colonial bullshit.
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Actually you said: "Let's say Turkey attacks Cyprus, which they did, in 1974, maybe being in the EU could help them, no?"
Doesn't sound like past tense to me.
Besides, you're saying that Cyprus magically repelled the Turks on their own?
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Actually you said: "Let's say Turkey attacks Cyprus, which they did, in 1974, maybe being in the EU could help them, no?"
Doesn't sound like past tense to me.
Besides, you're saying that Cyprus magically repelled the Turks on their own?
Please don't do the, "you left a comma off of here, therefore you are wrong" thing. I knew what he was saying, and so did you. He types in English very well for being from a third world shit whole.
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Not at all, his English is perfect and it's clear what he wrote.
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Actually you said: "Let's say Turkey attacks Cyprus, which they did, in 1974, maybe being in the EU could help them, no?"
Doesn't sound like past tense to me.
Yes, let's say that Turkey attacks Cyprus now, which they've already done in the near past, so it's not some outlandish possibility. I thought it was pretty obvious what I was saying.
Besides, you're saying that Cyprus magically repelled the Turks on their own?
"Magically"? They had an army and they received military aid from Greece, there were peace talks and they aren't t. And they weren't "repelled", they still occupy the northern part of the island. There were peace talks and it wasn't in Turkey's interests to escalate the conflict further.
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He types in English very well for being from a third world shit whole.
Yeah, at least I know the difference between "hole" and "whole" ;)
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His English is probably better than most of the people from Antarctica.
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He types in English very well for being from a third world shit whole.
Yeah, at least I know the difference between "hole" and "whole" ;)
I bet your mom know the difference between here hole, a hoe, and a whore.
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His English is probably better than most of the people from Antarctica.
That's actually a great compliment, because most people who live in Antarctica are native English speakers.
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His English is probably better than most of the people from Antarctica.
That's actually a great compliment, because most people who live in Antarctica are native English speakers.
Your mom dropped you on your head, confirmed.
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His English is probably better than most of the people from Antarctica.
That's actually a great compliment, because most people who live in Antarctica are native English speakers.
Your mom dropped you on your head, confirmed.
Your mom dropped her panties for me.
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His English is probably better than most of the people from Antarctica.
That's actually a great compliment, because most people who live in Antarctica are native English speakers.
Your mom dropped you on your head, confirmed.
Your mom dropped her panties for me.
I am sorry, that was too funny to respond.
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Actually you said: "Let's say Turkey attacks Cyprus, which they did, in 1974, maybe being in the EU could help them, no?"
Doesn't sound like past tense to me.
Yes, let's say that Turkey attacks Cyprus now, which they've already done in the near past, so it's not some outlandish possibility. I thought it was pretty obvious what I was saying.
Besides, you're saying that Cyprus magically repelled the Turks on their own?
"Magically"? They had an army and they received military aid from Greece, there were peace talks and they aren't t. And they weren't "repelled", they still occupy the northern part of the island. There were peace talks and it wasn't in Turkey's interests to escalate the conflict further.
First, if Turkey attacked, the EU would do nothing. They are not an army, they are a trading agreement.
Second, the 'military aid' from Greece was the reason that Turkey invaded in the first place. Enosis and all that....
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First, if Turkey attacked, the EU would do nothing. They are not an army, they are a trading agreement.
1) Lisbon treaty.
2) The borders of member states are EU borders. It is not in the interests of the EU to let member states be invaded. Turkey has 0 incentive to attack an EU country, because that will get them on the bad side of the EU, which is exponentially worse than just them ending on the bad side of a couple of countries. You may not have heard of it, but recently new oil reserves have been found in the Aegean and close to Cyprus. It is not in the interests of the EU as a whole to let Turkey dispute the borders.
Second, the 'military aid' from Greece was the reason that Turkey invaded in the first place. Enosis and all that....
No, the coup against Makarios was the excuse for Turkey to invade. The military aid I'm talking about came after the invasion. And this wasn't about Enosis. Enosis was secondary. It was about the Greek junta being dicks. Enosis was something most Cypriots wanted. The coup wasn't.
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Therefore Turkey will not invade Cyprus or any other member state. Your previous hypothosis falls down.
The history of Cyprus is long and is generally peppered with wars as it is a staging post for any activity in the Med.even in Roman times.
Turkish support for Cypriot Turks was there way before the invasion.
The island is still divided a a result of talks held by the BRITISH and many Brits were killed defending it, both by Greeks and Turks.
Still not sure about your EU point here though?
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Therefore Turkey will not invade Cyprus or any other member state.
That's what I said dumbass. Them being in the EU averts wars, because other countries have no reason to invade them if they're gonna have to deal with the entire EU.
Turkish support for Cypriot Turks was there way before the invasion.
Your point being?
The island is still divided a a result of talks held by the BRITISH and many Brits were killed defending it, both by Greeks and Turks.
LOL where the hell do you learn your history? The British actually quietly supported the Turkish invasion at the time, and they didn't do anything to counter it.
Still not sure about your EU point here though?
That lots of countries appreciate the safety it gives them.
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Where do YOU learn your history from? Clearly not all it seems.
Cyprus is a British Soveriegn State, due mostly to it's important military status as I've mentioned. Why would Britain 'actually quietly' support an invasion by Turkey?
The Greek Cypriots wanted/want union with Greece. They killed hundreds of British people in their terrorist activities ( EOKA) and Turkey saw the situation moving towards Enosis, so using the pretext of a military coup by the Greeks, the Turks invaded to protect the Turkish Cypriots. Whether this was right or wrong is a political issue and I'm sure that you are not privy to the actual facts of the time.
For hundreds of years the Turks and Greeks had got along until the divisive tactics employed by some Greeks encouraged trouble. The invasion in 1974 was quelled, the Greek military junta collapsed and the country became divided, the Turkish in the North and the Cypriots in the South. The Green Line, as its called, was put in place as a buffer zone and is still there today although passage between North and South has relaxed a lot these days.
You would know that though, because you go there a lot don't you?
The EU has nothing to do with protecting countries and never will, maybe you're confusing it with NATO?
Your earlier comment about Turkey having invaded Cyprus in the 'near past' ( this year, last year?) seems at odds with your theory, or did the EU launch a counter attack? If so, I must have missd that bit of news. Dumbass.
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Cyprus is a British Soveriegn State
Oh, really?
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Fair point, maybe 'state' was incorrect and embedded in my colonial mindset. Akrotiri and Dhekelia are British Sovereign Bases so the whole island would fall under British protection in the event of invasion. Not a lot of point in just defending the bases if the rest of the island is swarming with invaders.
I dare say that the rest of NATO would get involved too, including Turkey.
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The League of sane citizens (UK branch), apologise for MS's murder of historical fact, he is a brexiter.
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The League of sane citizens (UK branch), apologise for MS's murder of historical fact, he is a brexiter.
Ah, that makes sense. Apology accepted.
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The kind of logic that you would only understand if you were mediating between Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots.
And therein lies my ignorance.
Back to you, sir.
Just checking on how your comprehension of Cypriot politics is going..... learnt anything yet?
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The League of sane citizens (UK branch), apologise for MS's murder of historical fact, he is a brexiter.
Historical fact? Which?
A Brexiteer? Did I say which way I voted, if at all?
Then, before we move on, could you tell me if you believe the Earth is round or that it is flat?
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Cyprus is a British Soveriegn State
Lolwut? Cyprus is not a british state, Cyprus is just in the Commonwealth and also the British control a very small territory.
Why would Britain 'actually quietly' support an invasion by Turkey?
Because Britain did not desire Enosis.
Whether this was right or wrong is a political issue and I'm sure that you are not privy to the actual facts of the time.
I'm sure you aren't, since so far you've said some pretty absurd stuff. It is indeed hard to determine whether the invasion was justified, but it probably shouldn't have happened and the island shouldn't have been partitioned like that with the northern half being occupied and people having to flee their homes. But the important thing here is that Turkey does very much want to expand into the surrounding area and there is no guarantee they will keep hesitating in the future, especially given recent developments, and thus the EU is a powerful ally for some countries.
For hundreds of years the Turks and Greeks had got along
LMAO!!!
You would know that though, because you go there a lot don't you?
Dude I've got lots of Cypriot friends, I doubt you have more immediate and better information than me, especially given the stuff you're saying.
The EU has nothing to do with protecting countries and never will, maybe you're confusing it with NATO?
1) Learn about the Lisbon treaty. Please.
2) I already explained to you how the EU could serve to protect countries.
3) Both Turkey and Greece were in NATO when the invasion happened, and NATO basically shrugged and said "eh".
Your earlier comment about Turkey having invaded Cyprus in the 'near past' ( this year, last year?)
1974 is 45 years ago. That's not distant past.
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The kind of logic that you would only understand if you were mediating between Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots.
And therein lies my ignorance.
Back to you, sir.
Just checking on how your comprehension of Cypriot politics is going..... learnt anything yet?
Still don't care. ;)
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Pezevenk, you have Cypriot friends, well good for you. Your knowledge must be so far in advance of anyone elses, I can only bow to you. Maybe they didn't get along with their Turkish neighbours, but most did.
You still seem to be transfixed with this idea that Turkey will attack again, because they want to expand blah blah blah. They are desperate to be part of the EU, so how would that pan out?
Maybe the same way as it did when they attacked in 1974 and NATO did nothing, as you say. Being part of the club doesn't mean shit.
Just so you know, 'near past' most certainly doesnt go back to 1974, unless you're talking in terms of the history of the Earth.
Back to the point, you think that any country being part of the EU will be protected by the EU ?
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Pezevenk, you have Cypriot friends, well good for you. Your knowledge must be so far in advance of anyone elses, I can only bow to you.
That's not why I said it, I said it because you said "you would know that though, because you go there a lot don't you?".
Maybe they didn't get along with their Turkish neighbours, but most did.
You said Greeks got along with Turks for hundreds of years. That's incredibly ahistoric. It simply isn't true. Occupation and multiple uprisings and fights is not my idea of "getting along". It's true that Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots generally got along during the period we're talking about. But also the vast majority of Cypriots wanted Enosis, even long before all that happened.
You still seem to be transfixed with this idea that Turkey will attack again, because they want to expand blah blah blah. They are desperate to be part of the EU, so how would that pan out?
That's what I'm saying you idiot, they won't attack because they don't want to get on the bad side of the EU.
Just so you know, 'near past' most certainly doesnt go back to 1974, unless you're talking in terms of the history of the Earth.
It's pretty near in historical terms.
Back to the point, you think that any country being part of the EU will be protected by the EU ?
In most circumstances, yes. It simply is contrary to the interests of the EU not to do that.
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Forget all the other crap you just said, you are the one that keeps mentioning Turkey attacking Cyprus and then you call me an idiot for reminding you of that?
You say that EU nations will protect eachother, then you talk about Turkey attacking, you cite recent events making it more likely, then say that they wont because of the EU? Make your mind up.
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Forget all the other crap you just said, you are the one that keeps mentioning Turkey attacking Cyprus and then you call me an idiot for reminding you of that?
You say that EU nations will protect eachother, then you talk about Turkey attacking, you cite recent events making it more likely, then say that they wont because of the EU? Make your mind up.
I'm pretty sure everyone else understands exactly what my point is and I'm tired of explaining it. It's actually extremely simple: the fact that the EU exists, that EU states would help other EU states in case they were invaded, and the fact that lots of countries don't want to get on the bad side of the EU makes nations which would be otherwise very likely to invade or at the very least dispute borders of current EU member states, if these were not in the union. Therefore, EU membership also makes countries feel safer from threats external to the EU.
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Nice theory. You don't live within the protectorate of the EU I presume?
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Nice theory. You don't live within the protectorate of the EU I presume?
I do.
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Recently?
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Recently?
Yeah I'm here right now.
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Forget all the other crap you just said, you are the one that keeps mentioning Turkey attacking Cyprus and then you call me an idiot for reminding you of that?
You say that EU nations will protect eachother, then you talk about Turkey attacking, you cite recent events making it more likely, then say that they wont because of the EU? Make your mind up.
I'm pretty sure everyone else understands exactly what my point is and I'm tired of explaining it. It's actually extremely simple: the fact that the EU exists, that EU states would help other EU states in case they were invaded, and the fact that lots of countries don't want to get on the bad side of the EU makes nations which would be otherwise very likely to invade or at the very least dispute borders of current EU member states, if these were not in the union. Therefore, EU membership also makes countries feel safer from threats external to the EU.
How is that different than NATO?
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Recently?
Yeah I'm here right now.
Very good. I meant, when did your country join?
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Forget all the other crap you just said, you are the one that keeps mentioning Turkey attacking Cyprus and then you call me an idiot for reminding you of that?
You say that EU nations will protect eachother, then you talk about Turkey attacking, you cite recent events making it more likely, then say that they wont because of the EU? Make your mind up.
I'm pretty sure everyone else understands exactly what my point is and I'm tired of explaining it. It's actually extremely simple: the fact that the EU exists, that EU states would help other EU states in case they were invaded, and the fact that lots of countries don't want to get on the bad side of the EU makes nations which would be otherwise very likely to invade or at the very least dispute borders of current EU member states, if these were not in the union. Therefore, EU membership also makes countries feel safer from threats external to the EU.
How is that different than NATO?
NATO's protection is really weak in a lot of cases. Its main purpose was really to keep the USSR out and preserve US hegemony and they don't really care that much about what could happen in countries that are members if it doesn't interfere very much with that agenda. If there was a dispute between two NATO countries one having an EU membership would help. Also a lot of people in many countries don't like supporting NATO and would prefer if they didn't have to rely on it (which is true for the EU as well but that is a different conversation).
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Forget all the other crap you just said, you are the one that keeps mentioning Turkey attacking Cyprus and then you call me an idiot for reminding you of that?
You say that EU nations will protect eachother, then you talk about Turkey attacking, you cite recent events making it more likely, then say that they wont because of the EU? Make your mind up.
I'm pretty sure everyone else understands exactly what my point is and I'm tired of explaining it. It's actually extremely simple: the fact that the EU exists, that EU states would help other EU states in case they were invaded, and the fact that lots of countries don't want to get on the bad side of the EU makes nations which would be otherwise very likely to invade or at the very least dispute borders of current EU member states, if these were not in the union. Therefore, EU membership also makes countries feel safer from threats external to the EU.
How is that different than NATO?
NATO includes America, but shhh, don't tell Pezevenk, he feels safe with the EU protecting him.
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Recently?
Yeah I'm here right now.
Very good. I meant, when did your country join?
1981.
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NATO includes America, but shhh, don't tell Pezevenk, he feels safe with the EU protecting him.
You don't understand anything do you?
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Recently?
Yeah I'm here right now.
Very good. I meant, when did your country join?
1981.
Thought so.
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Recently?
Yeah I'm here right now.
Very good. I meant, when did your country join?
1981.
Thought so.
Do you think you're making a point or something?
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Nope, but all the clues were there.
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Nope, but all the clues were there.
The clues to what? Your lack of understanding of anything?
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Your interest in being part of the EU, your fixation with Turkey....
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Your interest in being part of the EU, your fixation with Turkey....
Lol I know where you're getting at, you think you're extremely brilliant for finding out I'm Greek even though I've said it so many times in so many threads including very recently. "Interest in being part of the EU"? Do you think most Greeks like the EU or something? Lol. Greeks are probably every bit as anti-EU as Brits are, although the trend died down a bit recently. "Fixation with Turkey"? Yeah, it's definitely very weird to comment on how EU membership makes countries with neighbours who routinely violate their airspace feel safer and probably averts armed conflicts, and it means you're irrationally fixated with Turkey for no reason.
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I have no interest in trawling your posts to determine your heritage.
Some Greeks might well be anti EU, especially since Tsipras, but you have to stay in because know that you don't want to bite the hand that feeds you...literally.
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I have no interest in trawling your posts to determine your heritage.
Some Greeks might well be anti EU, especially since Tsipras, but you have to stay in because know that you don't want to bite the hand that feeds you...literally.
"Since" Tsipras? Tsipras was elected because people were anti-EU, not the other way around, and Tsipras is now pro-EU, in fact he's citing the shitfest going on in Britain right now as an example for how he made the right choice to compromise.
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I have no interest in trawling your posts to determine your heritage.
Some Greeks might well be anti EU, especially since Tsipras, but you have to stay in because know that you don't want to bite the hand that feeds you...literally.
"Since" Tsipras? Tsipras was elected because people were anti-EU, not the other way around, and Tsipras is now pro-EU, in fact he's citing the shitfest going on in Britain right now as an example for how he made the right choice to compromise.
Voted because he was anti EU, exactly. Which bit didn't you understand? Now he's pro EU, what a surprise. Not much choice really. Compromise? Again, what choice did you have?
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I have no interest in trawling your posts to determine your heritage.
Some Greeks might well be anti EU, especially since Tsipras, but you have to stay in because know that you don't want to bite the hand that feeds you...literally.
"Since" Tsipras? Tsipras was elected because people were anti-EU, not the other way around, and Tsipras is now pro-EU, in fact he's citing the shitfest going on in Britain right now as an example for how he made the right choice to compromise.
Voted because he was anti EU, exactly. Which bit didn't you understand? Now he's pro EU, what a surprise. Not much choice really. Compromise? Again, what choice did you have?
Τhe other choice we were given was Grexit because they were not willing to give us better terms. Grexit would have been really bad, so we didn't do that.
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Better terms? LOL
Try running up a huge bill at a hotel then trying to check out without paying. Better terms like that you mean?
Greece has a debt that is 180 percent of GDP and the taxpayers of other EU nations are fed up of bailing you out.
Another reason why leaving the EU is a good idea.
The UK is one of 10 nations out of 28 that puts more in than they ever get back and Greece is way down the list, just above Latvia. Better terms my arse.
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https://twitter.com/JewishTelegraph/status/1109145636216152065
Just for context as to how freaking weird british politics is at the moment.
Not gonna lie, still better than some other brexit plans.
Short version: Uri Geller wrote a letter to the PM.
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Not exactly British politics is it, just some nutty has been looking for the limelight.
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Not exactly British politics is it, just some nutty has been looking for the limelight.
Nope. Uri Geller will stop brexit with the power of his mind. That's where we are now.
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Well, I suppose at least he's using his mind unlike most of the current Government.
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Better terms? LOL
Try running up a huge bill at a hotel then trying to check out without paying. Better terms like that you mean?
Greece has a debt that is 180 percent of GDP and the taxpayers of other EU nations are fed up of bailing you out.
Another reason why leaving the EU is a good idea.
The UK is one of 10 nations out of 28 that puts more in than they ever get back and Greece is way down the list, just above Latvia. Better terms my arse.
You really don't understand shit about the Greek debt crisis, do you? Do you know which country pays the most while getting very little back if you only look at the EU budget? Germany. Either Germany got a shit deal and they should be wanting to get out of the union, or you're an idiot who can only think one dimensionally.
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Not exactly British politics is it, just some nutty has been looking for the limelight.
Nope. Uri Geller will stop brexit with the power of his mind. That's where we are now.
Can he make Farage disappear?
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Better terms? LOL
Try running up a huge bill at a hotel then trying to check out without paying. Better terms like that you mean?
Greece has a debt that is 180 percent of GDP and the taxpayers of other EU nations are fed up of bailing you out.
Another reason why leaving the EU is a good idea.
The UK is one of 10 nations out of 28 that puts more in than they ever get back and Greece is way down the list, just above Latvia. Better terms my arse.
You really don't understand shit about the Greek debt crisis, do you? Do you know which country pays the most while getting very little back if you only look at the EU budget? Germany. Either Germany got a shit deal and they should be wanting to get out of the union, or you're an idiot who can only think one dimensionally.
I don't care about the Greek debt crisis. It's your debt, so why should everyone else have to get you out of it?
(not that you will for some considerable time, so enjoy your subsidised stay). Although if you'd like to enlighten me so that I might 'understand' it, in simple terms of course, please do.
Which country gets the least back, well it isn't Greece is it? You should ask a few people in Germany, see how they feel about funding the shit end of the EU.
Losing an arguement usually shows itself by the insults one gives and you've given plenty. I'll see in the summer for my holidays, thats all you've got.
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Although if you'd like to enlighten me so that I might 'understand' it, in simple terms of course, please do.
Do you have any explanation of why they pretended they thought our economy was solid enough to enter the eurozone? Or why they lent a bunch of money to an irresponsible government which they knew we couldn't repay (before the crisis)? Or why they keep forcing us to follow austerity policies which even the IMF has conceded don't work? The deal you had was actually great, you're gonna find out now if you leave. You even controlled your own powerful currency. On the contrary, we effectively don't have sovereignty any more and we only receive enough money just to stay afloat and keep repaying loans.
Which country gets the least back, well it isn't Greece is it? You should ask a few people in Germany, see how they feel about funding the shit end of the EU.
LOL so the EU is just a giant scheme from the poorer and weaker countries to rip off Germany? Get a grip.
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Do you have any explanation of why they pretended they thought our economy was solid enough to enter the eurozone?
You were a land buffer where fighting off an invasion would not harm Europe.
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In answer to your first rambling rant, I don't care. Austerity?...boo hoo, get a grip yourself.
The second part? You mentioned Germany, so I just put it back to you. There are more countries to pick from. I didn't suggest any scheme or plan, just Germany is another country that isn't as happy at funding the freeloaders as you seem to think.
If you can't explain why I should care or understand, then I suppose I'll just have to keep being one dimensional.
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Do you have any explanation of why they pretended they thought our economy was solid enough to enter the eurozone?
You were a land buffer where fighting off an invasion would not harm Europe.
The eurozone is the countries which use euros.
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Do you have any explanation of why they pretended they thought our economy was solid enough to enter the eurozone?
You were a land buffer where fighting off an invasion would not harm Europe.
You think Europe was likely to be invaded? Surely not, with the might of the EU protecting us. Or maybe the Greeks would fend off any invasion?
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Do you have any explanation of why they pretended they thought our economy was solid enough to enter the eurozone?
You were a land buffer where fighting off an invasion would not harm Europe.
The eurozone is the countries which use euros.
I thought you were part of the EU.
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Do you have any explanation of why they pretended they thought our economy was solid enough to enter the eurozone?
You were a land buffer where fighting off an invasion would not harm Europe.
The eurozone is the countries which use euros.
Ah, euros. We don't use them here, we kept our sovereignty.
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In answer to your first rambling rant, I don't care. Austerity?...boo hoo, get a grip yourself.
Wow, truly the master of the argument.
The second part? You mentioned Germany, so I just put it back to you. There are more countries to pick from. I didn't suggest any scheme or plan, just Germany is another country that isn't as happy at funding the freeloaders as you seem to think.
So the #1 most powerful country in the EU and de facto leader oddly enough keeps funding us even though it is totally against the interests because... Maybe we're super powerful after all and we forced them to? Wow, maybe Germany should be wanting to exit the EU as well...
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Do you have any explanation of why they pretended they thought our economy was solid enough to enter the eurozone?
You were a land buffer where fighting off an invasion would not harm Europe.
The eurozone is the countries which use euros.
I thought you were part of the EU.
Both.
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In answer to your first rambling rant, I don't care. Austerity?...boo hoo, get a grip yourself.
Wow, truly the master of the argument.
The second part? You mentioned Germany, so I just put it back to you. There are more countries to pick from. I didn't suggest any scheme or plan, just Germany is another country that isn't as happy at funding the freeloaders as you seem to think.
So the #1 most powerful country in the EU and de facto leader oddly enough keeps funding us even though it is totally against the interests because... Maybe we're super powerful after all and we forced them to? Wow, maybe Germany should be wanting to exit the EU as well...
It's simpler than that. You ain't going nowhere until you paid your debts.
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In answer to your first rambling rant, I don't care. Austerity?...boo hoo, get a grip yourself.
Wow, truly the master of the argument.
The second part? You mentioned Germany, so I just put it back to you. There are more countries to pick from. I didn't suggest any scheme or plan, just Germany is another country that isn't as happy at funding the freeloaders as you seem to think.
So the #1 most powerful country in the EU and de facto leader oddly enough keeps funding us even though it is totally against the interests because... Maybe we're super powerful after all and we forced them to? Wow, maybe Germany should be wanting to exit the EU as well...
It's simpler than that. You ain't going nowhere until you paid your debts.
Wow, and here I thought they were just funding us and getting nothing out of it! You still didn't explain why they lent billions to an irresponsible government which was doing nothing with it, why they let us in the eurozone prematurely, or why they are insisting on a failed strategy to fix our issues.
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If I knew that, I'd be doing their job, not them. Then again, why let Bulgaria and Romania join? I don't know, maybe cheap labour? ( Just using the German refugee model there)
What are your thoughts Pez, oh wise one?
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If I knew that, I'd be doing their job, not them. Then again, why let Bulgaria and Romania join? I don't know, maybe cheap labour? ( Just using the German refugee model there)
What are your thoughts Pez, oh wise one?
I think they let them join because they were forced to. We are all collaborating to rip off Germany, we're far more powerful than you could ever imagine. Good thing you're leaving, because we were coming for you next.
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...and with that empty answer the arguemnet is exhausted. I thank you.
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...and with that empty answer the arguemnet is exhausted. I thank you.
It was exhausted the moment you started saying blatant falsities and couldn't comprehend simple concepts. Bye.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D2Xz7mBWkAAXUwZ.jpg)
I actually can't tell if these people are for or against brexit.
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...and with that empty answer the arguemnet is exhausted. I thank you.
It was exhausted the moment you started saying blatant falsities and couldn't comprehend simple concepts. Bye.
In other words MS is a typical brexiteer, all lies and pig ignorance.
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Do the Tories not know what a "Grand Wizard" is?
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...and with that empty answer the arguemnet is exhausted. I thank you.
It was exhausted the moment you started saying blatant falsities and couldn't comprehend simple concepts. Bye.
In other words MS is a typical brexiteer, all lies and pig ignorance.
Please don't put british politics and pigs in the same sentence, we've already had enough of that.
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This is fucking funny
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...and with that empty answer the arguemnet is exhausted. I thank you.
It was exhausted the moment you started saying blatant falsities and couldn't comprehend simple concepts. Bye.
In other words MS is a typical brexiteer, all lies and pig ignorance.
Please don't put british politics and pigs in the same sentence, we've already had enough of that.
That first episode of Black Mirror.... ROFL :P
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...and with that empty answer the arguemnet is exhausted. I thank you.
It was exhausted the moment you started saying blatant falsities and couldn't comprehend simple concepts. Bye.
In other words MS is a typical brexiteer, all lies and pig ignorance.
Please don't put british politics and pigs in the same sentence, we've already had enough of that.
That first episode of Black Mirror.... ROFL :P
I wish it was just fiction.
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British Tabloids are nuts. Does anybody read this trash?
(https://i.postimg.cc/cH5LbFVs/D23-Mo-Tu-XQAESIfm-1.jpg)
Image is from here https://twitter.com/paulmasonnews/status/1111770255653851136
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Why are British people so angry at ants?
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"we need to embrace no deal" should read as "we need to embrace a recession and collapse of our industry and jobs"
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I know I'll regret ever doing this, but I looked up DEC and ANT, just out of curiousity.....
https://www.thesun.co.uk/who/ant-and-dec/
The last time I was in the UK, the tabloids were all frothing at the mount about Madeleine somebody. Weird shit goes on in the mind of the Brits.
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So Vote Leave is guilty, do any of these crooks get jail time?
https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1112485919507050496
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Here is Sargon of Akkad railing on about Brexit. I"m sure the terms he's saying makes sense to our English members. A lot of the people and things he's referencing are unfamiliar to me. One thing sticks out. Somewhere in the middle of the video he brought up a map that says there'd be roughly a 10% drop in gdp. He phrases it like it's not a big deal. Just cut some coupons or something. I'm not an economist but 10% sounds catastrophic. That seems like an instant depression.
I'm just in awe of the mindset of these people that think that a depression is worth... Whatever Brexit is supposed to do. Which I'm still not sure. It's either an unfair tax on biscuits or keeping out the brown people.
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Here is Sargon of Akkad railing on about Brexit. I"m sure the terms he's saying makes sense to our English members. A lot of the people and things he's referencing are unfamiliar to me. One thing sticks out. Somewhere in the middle of the video he brought up a map that says there'd be roughly a 10% drop in gdp. He phrases it like it's not a big deal. Just cut some coupons or something. I'm not an economist but 10% sounds catastrophic. That seems like an instant depression.
I'm just in awe of the mindset of these people that think that a depression is worth... Whatever Brexit is supposed to do. Which I'm still not sure. It's either an unfair tax on biscuits or keeping out the brown people.
Lol Varoufakis makes a cameo. He had some really weird ideas about what Greece should do. Also none of them were feasible and he resigned. He still has a point on some stuff, but generally he's kinda weird and a really bad finance minister.
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I'm just in awe of the mindset of these people that think that a depression is worth... Whatever Brexit is supposed to do. Which I'm still not sure. It's either an unfair tax on biscuits or keeping out the brown people.
Officially, it's a protest against the fact the EU is like any other body in the world and dares to have trade laws, so we want to be free of that and subject to likely worse laws, or still trading with the EU only with no say in what the requirements are. But realistically, yep, it's just 'keep out the brown people' and stoke up enough xenophobia that the politicians can ride it into power next election.
Given we reached the point where Theresa May said "If you back my deal, I'll resign," it's pretty clear this stopped being about the country and started being about party politics a long while ago. There's a reason there were literally no major votes or debates in the House until after the initial deadline had already passed. She's not trying to get a good deal, just make things desperate so MPs have no choice but to go along with her. There have been a multitude of MPs that just up and quit their own parties in disgust at what's going on. We got a new party made of MPs from the big two just because they were sick of everything.
When a guy basically leaves behind a semi-major role as party whip of the party that's in power after a vote and gets applause, you know things are fucked.
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I'm just in awe of the mindset of these people that think that a depression is worth... Whatever Brexit is supposed to do. Which I'm still not sure. It's either an unfair tax on biscuits or keeping out the brown people.
It was mostly the second one which pushed a lot of people over the edge. I can understand some of the reasons to want to leave the EU, as the EU has (somewhat recently) started to push for a very specific political agenda and it threatens the sovereignty of some countries. In the case of Britain it's just not worth it though.
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That's kind of what I figured. Everytime I hear a politician saying something that doesn't make any damn sense I sort of assume that it's really about the brown people.
Maybe we should just declare Antarctica to be a white ethnostate. These people that are this concerned about skin color that they'd break politics can move there, embrace their inner racist and maybe be honest about their intentions.
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I'm just in awe of the mindset of these people that think that a depression is worth... Whatever Brexit is supposed to do. Which I'm still not sure. It's either an unfair tax on biscuits or keeping out the brown people.
It was mostly the second one which pushed a lot of people over the edge. I can understand some of the reasons to want to leave the EU, as the EU has (somewhat recently) started to push for a very specific political agenda and it threatens the sovereignty of some countries. In the case of Britain it's just not worth it though.
I agree with that, the EU definitely has made some poor decisions, but on one hand the UK isn't going to do much better if we go it alone as we've managed plenty of stupid laws (especially in reference to the internet, for the probably the latest EU controversy), and on the other if those laws are bad we should have a voice at the table to deal with them because a lot of them have international ramifications that we're going to get hit by to some extent regardless.
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So. To avoid no deal, someone's proposed a bill to essentially mandate the PM ask for an extension if there's no consensus. The way this kind of thing works in the UK, bills go through three readings, typically over a few weeks/months to examine each and every word and consequence.
So naturally it's going through those three readings in one day. This is what stable government looks like people!
(Admittedly it's not perfect, it relies on the EU granting an extension and they're probably sick of us at this point, and keeping no deal on the table will hopefully force Corbyn's hand for a peoples' vote so they can stop talking about 'the will of the public!' and see if there people actually support anything they're doing after the past couple of years, so it was rejected at the last stage but still).
This is pretty much a disaster from start to finish, so to top it all off we naturally have what are semi-widely considered to be the worst leaders of our two major parties for at least a century or so leading us through it.
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to top it all off we naturally have what are semi-widely considered to be the worst leaders of our two major parties for at least a century or so leading us through it.
*coughs in Tony Blair* Not even this century.
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to top it all off we naturally have what are semi-widely considered to be the worst leaders of our two major parties for at least a century or so leading us through it.
*coughs in Tony Blair* Not even this century.
Worse. I wish we had Blair. I wish we had Gordon 'cannot tell when a microphone is turned on' Brown. Honestly I'd be down for a dead squirrel to lead the Labour party. They have their issues, but at least they aren't going to actively put their own ego ahead of the fate of the whole country. An actual vote, a promise to revoke article 50 if we don't have a deal by the deadline, were all things that could have happened if he'd done his job and represented the opinion of the people that actually voted for him. The majority of his cabinet straight-up resigned and he kept pushing on. He's done more damage to the opposition than Brown or Blair or anyone at the worst possible time. The only reason Labour isn't utterly unelectable at this point is because Theresa May is so incompetent she tried to fall on her sword and missed.
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Worse. I wish we had Blair.
?? Well maybe you wish that, Afghan and Iraqi people definitely don't.
Honestly I'd be down for a dead squirrel to lead the Labour party. They have their issues, but at least they aren't going to actively put their own ego ahead of the fate of the whole country. An actual vote, a promise to revoke article 50 if we don't have a deal by the deadline, were all things that could have happened if he'd done his job and represented the opinion of the people that actually voted for him. The majority of his cabinet straight-up resigned and he kept pushing on. He's done more damage to the opposition than Brown or Blair or anyone at the worst possible time. The only reason Labour isn't utterly unelectable at this point is because Theresa May is so incompetent she tried to fall on her sword and missed.
If you're talking about the MPs who broke off, I'm pretty sure that that wasn't the real reason these people resigned. I think these people resigned mainly because they did not like the direction Labour was heading to. I didn't know about people resigning from his cabinet. From what I can tell there's a change in direction happening in Labour, and this could be for the better in the long run, but maybe don't do it while Brexit is happening? It was really dumb to not adopt a clear enough stance on Brexit earlier on, but it was kind of expected, he used to be pro-Brexit.
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Worse. I wish we had Blair.
?? Well maybe you wish that, Afghan and Iraqi people definitely don't.
Honestly I'd be down for a dead squirrel to lead the Labour party. They have their issues, but at least they aren't going to actively put their own ego ahead of the fate of the whole country. An actual vote, a promise to revoke article 50 if we don't have a deal by the deadline, were all things that could have happened if he'd done his job and represented the opinion of the people that actually voted for him. The majority of his cabinet straight-up resigned and he kept pushing on. He's done more damage to the opposition than Brown or Blair or anyone at the worst possible time. The only reason Labour isn't utterly unelectable at this point is because Theresa May is so incompetent she tried to fall on her sword and missed.
If you're talking about the MPs who broke off, I'm pretty sure that that wasn't the real reason these people resigned. I think these people resigned mainly because they did not like the direction Labour was heading to. I didn't know about people resigning from his cabinet. From what I can tell there's a change in direction happening in Labour, and this could be for the better in the long run, but maybe don't do it while Brexit is happening? It was really dumb to not adopt a clear enough stance on Brexit earlier on, but it was kind of expected, he used to be pro-Brexit.
I get the feeling Corbyn would do the same, that's all. The thing about Blair is that he lacks morals, but he at least adhered to the basic concept of a democracy. Corbyn isn't concerned with anything but his own petty politics, he's officially anti-war but he's officially a lot of things, and it's not backed up by how he acts. If declaring war would let him stay in charge of the Labour party he'd do it in a heartbeat.
The charitable reading of Corbyn is that he's an idealist, a stick-to-his-principles left-wing campaigner that's more concerned with ideals than putting anything into practice, or actually making any change or actually making anything better. I was optimistic for Corbyn when it started out, but at this point it's becoming apparent he's everything Blair was, and also lacks any political ability. The best I can say for Corbyn is that he was a good MP, a voice that raised important issues when he had no real power by himself and was only a voice. He's just a god-awful leader who's more concerned with being sure that he's the one in charge than actually improving the lives of anyone. It's not that he was pro-brexit, it's that he is but most of the people that voted him into power aren't, so he's keeping ambiguous so that he gets their support. He'd do the same on anything, war or otherwise. He doesn't care that in the current climate he's basically unelectable so we're due five more years of Tories when an election comes around so he's never going to have a chance to put any of his reforms into practice, he doesn't care that because of that he's just going to be making life worse for pretty much everyone, just so long as he gets to serve his ego.
If Corbyn had been in Blair's seat, the Tory candidate John Major, the guy who'd led us through the first Gulf War, would have been the one in charge. I don't call that better.
Any leader who sees this happen to his shadow cabinet:
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And thinks he's leading the party rather than causing chaos is at best deluded and at worse actively malevolent, and putting him in a seat like Blair's wouldn't have fared any better for anyone except JC himself.
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The difference is that I don't think Corbyn ever supported the wars, but he did support Brexit. He's a bad politician but I don't think he's an immoral ghoul like Blair. And I liked him more after I saw the bizarre attacks British tabloids were launching against him. I remember something about how he'd literally kill the queen if he could and something about his coat or hat being a super big deal. Anyways I saw some recent polls and it does look like Labour is leading the polls, so maybe not everything will turn to shit.
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I remember something about how he'd literally kill the queen if he could and something about his coat or hat being a super big deal.
and you believed it because you wanted to.
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I remember something about how he'd literally kill the queen if he could and something about his coat or hat being a super big deal.
and you believed it because you wanted to.
I... Didn't believe it... That's the whole point, I was describing how silly they were.
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I remember something about how he'd literally kill the queen if he could and something about his coat or hat being a super big deal.
and you believed it because you wanted to.
I... Didn't believe it... That's the whole point, I was describing how silly they were.
The moose doesn't understand "Bizarre attacks" he just does it instinctively. :)
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What are the odds on a second referendum being in favour of remain?
I'm guessing 95-100%
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Yeah it does seem like it would most likely be for remain. A second referendum is probably the best thing right now, it will make everyone shut up about how "it's what the people want".
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So. To avoid no deal, someone's proposed a bill to essentially mandate the PM ask for an extension if there's no consensus. The way this kind of thing works in the UK, bills go through three readings, typically over a few weeks/months to examine each and every word and consequence.
So naturally it's going through those three readings in one day. This is what stable government looks like people!
(Admittedly it's not perfect, it relies on the EU granting an extension and they're probably sick of us at this point, and keeping no deal on the table will hopefully force Corbyn's hand for a peoples' vote so they can stop talking about 'the will of the public!' and see if there people actually support anything they're doing after the past couple of years, so it was rejected at the last stage but still).
This is pretty much a disaster from start to finish, so to top it all off we naturally have what are semi-widely considered to be the worst leaders of our two major parties for at least a century or so leading us through it.
Well, I guess I feel a *little* better knowing the US isn't the only country ran by a bunch it incompetent, corrupt morons.
Though wouldn't the UK be better off without the EU? They are the strongest country in the EU with Germany. Most of the other countries in the EU are weak and in distress.
I dunno know as I don't know a huge amount of brexit and obviously don't live in Europe
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Though wouldn't the UK be better off without the EU?
There is no real benefit for leaving.
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Though wouldn't the UK be better off without the EU? They are the strongest country in the EU with Germany. Most of the other countries in the EU are weak and in distress.
I dunno know as I don't know a huge amount of brexit and obviously don't live in Europe
I'm not even going to try unpacking that. But short version, even taking trade as just the most basic issue, we have a good deal with access to the single market/EU that we're going to need to be subject to if we want to actually have little things like enough food and medicine and power and bloody toilet paper to last a month. We're not a self-sufficient country. The best deal for leaving the EU is to stay a part of that market, which is the most popular thing voted for by MPs, but it of course means that we're subject to all the rules and regulations without any say in how they're governed.
Our options otherwise, as you cannot trade with any entity in he EU without trading with the whole EU, is worse deals trading with either much less accessible countries, or the ones in Europe that don't meet the criteria to actually join the EU (typically meaning dictatorships etc). Shout out to Theresa May selling weapons to Erdogan.
The difference is that I don't think Corbyn ever supported the wars, but he did support Brexit. He's a bad politician but I don't think he's an immoral ghoul like Blair. And I liked him more after I saw the bizarre attacks British tabloids were launching against him. I remember something about how he'd literally kill the queen if he could and something about his coat or hat being a super big deal. Anyways I saw some recent polls and it does look like Labour is leading the polls, so maybe not everything will turn to shit.
I agree there have been some ludicrous attacks on him, but the only reason he hasn't supported a war is because he hasn't had the chance. He's an opportunist through and through. Blair at least had defined motives, even if they were bordering on nationalistic. Corbyn would do everything Blair did and ride through on the support of his borderline cult of personality.
The only reason Labour hasn't imploded even more than it already has is because the Tories are the ones in charge of brexit so people are blaming them for this mess.
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Though wouldn't the UK be better off without the EU?
There is no real benefit for leaving.
Yeah there is no real upside to leaving. The campaign for it was essentially built on a lie and xenophobia.
No matter how they leave, sift or hard, the damage done to the British economy will be felt across every sector. It's already started with industries moving 'off shore' in anticipation
The full hard core 'leavers' are the kind of people that like to watch the world burn.
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I agree there have been some ludicrous attacks on him, but the only reason he hasn't supported a war is because he hasn't had the chance. He's an opportunist through and through. Blair at least had defined motives, even if they were bordering on nationalistic. Corbyn would do everything Blair did and ride through on the support of his borderline cult of personality.
The only reason Labour hasn't imploded even more than it already has is because the Tories are the ones in charge of brexit so people are blaming them for this mess.
I don't see a reason to think he would have supported the war, especially given that he was actively opposed to it from the get go. I also don't see a reason to believe he is an opportunist. If he was I'd expect he wouldn't have endangered his position like that. I think he's just bad at doing politics and stubborn.
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to top it all off we naturally have what are semi-widely considered to be the worst leaders of our two major parties for at least a century or so leading us through it.
*coughs in Tony Blair* Not even this century.
Blair circa 1997 was a leader in a different league to anyone we have now. I'd take that version of Blair back in a heatbeat.
Not the current version: a corrupt, weird, warmonger who shovels cash from dictators into his grubby trousers.
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to top it all off we naturally have what are semi-widely considered to be the worst leaders of our two major parties for at least a century or so leading us through it.
*coughs in Tony Blair* Not even this century.
Blair circa 1997 was a leader in a different league to anyone we have now. I'd take that version of Blair back in a heatbeat.
Not the current version: a corrupt, weird, warmonger who shovels cash from dictators into his grubby trousers.
He was always a corrupt, weird warmonger.
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British tourists will be banned from taking beloved UK delicacies such as cornish pasties, pork pies and even cheddar cheese on holiday to the EU after a no deal Brexit, senior EU official said today.
What the heck? Pies need a vacation sometimes!
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I for one took their pastries and tea home in time.
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I for one took their pastries and tea home in time.
What happens when you run out?
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I for one took their pastries and tea home in time.
What happens when you run out?
I prefer not to think about it.
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Change scares the fuck out of people predisposed to be afraid of change.
It goes all the way up to top people who have made a career of scaring people into supporting them.
None of you understand Brexit. You just FEEL Brexit.
You like the people that comfort you and hate the people they oppose.
Not a single one of you can describe any actual fact
or single effect that Brexit will cause.
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Not a single one of you can describe any actual fact
or single effect that Brexit will cause.
Leaving aside the people that have already done that. Facts exist Bullwinkle.
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Change scares the fuck out of people predisposed to be afraid of change.
It goes all the way up to top people who have made a career of scaring people into supporting them.
None of you understand Brexit. You just FEEL Brexit.
You like the people that comfort you and hate the people they oppose.
Not a single one of you can describe any actual fact
or single effect that Brexit will cause.
You don't read or follow the news much do you? If there is another explanation for your ignorance, I'd be happy to listen.
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Change scares the fuck out of people predisposed to be afraid of change.
It goes all the way up to top people who have made a career of scaring people into supporting them.
None of you understand Brexit. You just FEEL Brexit.
You like the people that comfort you and hate the people they oppose.
Not a single one of you can describe any actual fact
or single effect that Brexit will cause.
What? People have talked extensively about that. Can you not understand what breaking away from most of your major trading partners can cause to a country's economy? Companies are ALREADY leaving the UK before it's even happened. It will be a major disruption, and most don't think it's really worth it.
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Not a single one of you can describe any actual fact
or single effect that Brexit will cause.
Leaving aside the people that have already done that. Facts exist Bullwinkle.
I didn't know the negotiation is over.
Can you actually claim to know the outcome of something that has yet to be decided?
That's magic dice kind of bullshit.
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I didn't know the negotiation is over.
Can you actually claim to know the outcome of something that has yet to be decided?
That's magic dice kind of bullshit.
Yep. Pretty easily. If you stop trading with people, you don't get what you would get if you did trade with them.
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I didn't know the negotiation is over.
Can you actually claim to know the outcome of something that has yet to be decided?
That's magic dice kind of bullshit.
Yep. Pretty easily. If you stop trading with people, you don't get what you would get if you did trade with them.
are your products really so pitiful that nobody will buy them
unless you are an EU club member?
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I didn't know the negotiation is over.
Can you actually claim to know the outcome of something that has yet to be decided?
That's magic dice kind of bullshit.
Yep. Pretty easily. If you stop trading with people, you don't get what you would get if you did trade with them.
are your products really so pitiful that nobody will buy them
unless you are an EU club member?
You know trade deals a) deal with imports, b) are a bit more complicated than going to a corner shop, right?
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You know trade deals a) deal with imports,
Yes, strictly with imports. ::)
One math major's import is another business person's export.
The difference is that you don't understand business.
You can get anything you want at Alice's restaurant.
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Yes, strictly with imports. ::)
One math major's import is another business person's export.
Imports tend to be pretty import when the actual experts in the field are predicting we run out of food and medicine in a matter of weeks.
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Yes, strictly with imports. ::)
One math major's import is another business person's export.
Imports tend to be pretty import when the actual experts in the field are predicting we run out of food and medicine in a matter of weeks.
Do you honestly believe the world is going to let you run out of food and pills?
Are you going to plant sheep so you don't run out of shepard's pie?
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Yes, strictly with imports. ::)
One math major's import is another business person's export.
Imports tend to be pretty import when the actual experts in the field are predicting we run out of food and medicine in a matter of weeks.
Do you honestly believe the world is going to let you run out of food and pills?
Are you going to plant sheep so you don't run out of shepard's pie?
I don't think the world's going to get much of a say, we'll need brand new trade deals whch'll take a while and if it gets to the point where we need active aid that's going to be a whole mess in itself. Sure, the country's not going to turn into a smoking crater, but we're still likely due months if not years of rolling blackouts, unnecessarily ramped up prices for essentials, and lower stocks. When the actual government's advice is 'start stockpiling tinned food' there comes a point where you can't pretend this isn't going to hurt a lot of people.
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If you want to buy something you want,
someone will sell you something.
If you are selling something that someone wants,
someone will buy it from you.
It feels like you are abbreviating your stance
in order to continue to argue your position
without having to admit that you don't have a clue about
what the future may hold.
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It feels like you are refusing to argue in good faith so you'll have an excuse to insult people. I'm not sure what the fuck is up with that, but no one is making you click on threads you're not interested in.
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If you want to buy something you want,
someone will sell you something.
If you are selling something that someone wants,
someone will buy it from you.
...It feels like you don't know anything about international trade.
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If you want to buy something you want,
someone will sell you something.
If you are selling something that someone wants,
someone will buy it from you.
...It feels like you don't know anything about international trade.
I used Maquiladoras for almost 12 years.
You girls have absolutely no idea what is going on.
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If you want to buy something you want,
someone will sell you something.
If you are selling something that someone wants,
someone will buy it from you.
...It feels like you don't know anything about international trade.
I used Maquiladoras for almost 12 years.
You girls have absolutely no idea what is going on.
Are you a country?
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You heard it here first folks, the UK will overcome Brexit using maquiladoras, somehow. Brilliant plan.
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Are you a country?
It feels like you are refusing to argue in good faith so you'll have an excuse to insult people.
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Are you a country?
It feels like you are refusing to argue in good faith so you'll have an excuse to insult people.
No, that'd be if I dropped the -ry.
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Are you a country?
It feels like you are refusing to argue in good faith so you'll have an excuse to insult people.
No, that'd be if I dropped the -ry.
If you ever need a $100 survival package let me know.
I'll see what I can do.
Don't let SCG drive a wedge between us. ;)
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Are you a country?
It feels like you are refusing to argue in good faith so you'll have an excuse to insult people.
No, that'd be if I dropped the -ry.
I don't understand your opposition here. Bullwinkle's plan seems solid. Your country stabs itself in the face because some crazy people voted to on a dare and we pay for the hospital bill. Win/win.
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Are you a country?
It feels like you are refusing to argue in good faith so you'll have an excuse to insult people.
No, that'd be if I dropped the -ry.
If you ever need a $100 survival package let me know.
I'll see what I can do.
Don't let SCG drive a wedge between us. ;)
Don't let SCG see the real you. ;)
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Are you a country?
It feels like you are refusing to argue in good faith so you'll have an excuse to insult people.
No, that'd be if I dropped the -ry.
If you ever need a $100 survival package let me know.
I'll see what I can do.
Don't let SCG drive a wedge between us. ;)
Don't let SCG see the real you. ;)
That makes me vaguely scared for some reason...
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Be very afraid.
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I am
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Vote Leave exposed.
https://www.zdf.de/politik/frontal-21/drahtzieher-des-brexits-english-version-100.html
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Vote Leave exposed.
https://www.zdf.de/politik/frontal-21/drahtzieher-des-brexits-english-version-100.html
Not sure why they don't just scrap the whole thing as if the mess never happened
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And now the EU is offering a chance to delay until October. This will never end.
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And now the EU is offering a chance to delay until October. This will never end.
Is there anything more appropriate than leaving it to Halloween though?
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Is there anything more appropriate than leaving it to Halloween though?
I have literally no idea whatsoever.
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And now the EU is offering a chance to delay until October. This will never end.
Is there anything more appropriate than leaving it to Halloween though?
And then on Halloween, we find out it's been pushed off again. Then it happens a handful more times. And a documentary is made about it, entitled "Halloween," and it's even more terrifying than the other movie series that shares the name.
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And now the EU is offering a chance to delay until October. This will never end.
Is there anything more appropriate than leaving it to Halloween though?
And then on Halloween, we find out it's been pushed off again. Then it happens a handful more times. And a documentary is made about it, entitled "Halloween," and it's even more terrifying than the other movie series that shares the name.
In fairness we were actually pretty close to customs union or a second referendum before this, at least as far as the indicative votes went. While there's every chance May's just going to choose to ignore all that because that's just the kind of person she is, the outcry for anything from letting the people have a say now that they know what brexit is like, to just straight-up demanding a general election because this has been a disaster...
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I have literally no idea whatsoever.
LOL. The truth emerges.
Go fishing, have another beer. Politics is complicated.
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I have literally no idea whatsoever.
LOL. The truth emerges.
Go fishing, have another beer. Politics is complicated.
Do you believe that Halloween has some significance? ???
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Apparently Sargon of Akkad is running for MEP with UKIP:
(https://external-preview.redd.it/Yk3MXeVJmi47ciQkE_GfSDveUZn5-wiaJfDs4DfnD3Y.jpg?auto=webp&s=046bbc52108eb530002369e7dceaa43c457e2a47)
(This is not real obviously, his campaign has been pretty absurd though)
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I've been meaning to get around to watching this for a few days now. This is a must watch TED talk. Scary as all fuck.
https://www.ted.com/talks/carole_cadwalladr_facebook_s_role_in_brexit_and_the_threat_to_democracy
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Did... Did these people just discover propaganda??
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https://knowyourmeme.com/forums/serious-debate/topics/44621-dr-kristi-winters-debates-carl-sargon-of-akkad-benjamin
Should be worth following. Sargon is famously bad at debates.
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https://knowyourmeme.com/forums/serious-debate/topics/44621-dr-kristi-winters-debates-carl-sargon-of-akkad-benjamin
Should be worth following. Sargon is famously bad at debates.
He's bad at everything really, no clue how he got famous in the first place. Watch this sad thing:
https://www.indy100.com/article/ukip-mep-candidate-carl-benjamin-rape-comments-jess-phillips-watch-8877656
I love how he's acting like he's saying something super profound and important and raising his voice when he's actually saying "I SHOULD HE ABLE TO JOKE ABOUT RAPING WHOMEVER I WANT!". I think he's just really dumb.
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He's bad at everything really, no clue how he got famous in the first place.
Two words, Gamer Gate.
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Can we get Jane to offer an opinion on John McDonnell? He seemsmostly cool to me so far.
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Did... Did these people just discover propaganda??
Umm, no that wasn't the point at all, propaganda isn't illegal, immoral maybe, but what Vote Leave did was illegal, and facebook is hiding the evidence.
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Did... Did these people just discover propaganda??
Umm, no that wasn't the point at all, propaganda isn't illegal, immoral maybe, but what Vote Leave did was illegal, and facebook is hiding the evidence.
What did Vote Leave do that was illegal and how is Facebook involved?
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Did... Did these people just discover propaganda??
Umm, no that wasn't the point at all, propaganda isn't illegal, immoral maybe, but what Vote Leave did was illegal, and facebook is hiding the evidence.
What did Vote Leave do that was illegal and how is Facebook involved?
LOL Just back from fishing? Any bites?
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Did... Did these people just discover propaganda??
Umm, no that wasn't the point at all, propaganda isn't illegal, immoral maybe, but what Vote Leave did was illegal, and facebook is hiding the evidence.
What did Vote Leave do that was illegal and how is Facebook involved?
LOL Just back from fishing? Any bites?
Counting this one? :)
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Did... Did these people just discover propaganda??
Umm, no that wasn't the point at all, propaganda isn't illegal, immoral maybe, but what Vote Leave did was illegal, and facebook is hiding the evidence.
What did Vote Leave do that was illegal and how is Facebook involved?
LOL Just back from fishing? Any bites?
Counting this one? :)
No this one slipped the net.
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Did... Did these people just discover propaganda??
Umm, no that wasn't the point at all, propaganda isn't illegal, immoral maybe, but what Vote Leave did was illegal, and facebook is hiding the evidence.
What did Vote Leave do that was illegal and how is Facebook involved?
LOL Just back from fishing? Any bites?
Counting this one? :)
No this one slipped the net.
Net? Haha Gaff!
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Did... Did these people just discover propaganda??
Umm, no that wasn't the point at all, propaganda isn't illegal, immoral maybe, but what Vote Leave did was illegal, and facebook is hiding the evidence.
What did Vote Leave do that was illegal and how is Facebook involved?
LOL Just back from fishing? Any bites?
Counting this one? :)
No this one slipped the net.
Net? Haha Gaff!
I lost a gaff once on a 6ft bronze whaler shark, in hindsight, I'm probably lucky I didn't manage to hang on.
You gotta be careful when you gaff a shark.
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Did... Did these people just discover propaganda??
Umm, no that wasn't the point at all, propaganda isn't illegal, immoral maybe, but what Vote Leave did was illegal, and facebook is hiding the evidence.
What did Vote Leave do that was illegal and how is Facebook involved?
LOL Just back from fishing? Any bites?
Counting this one? :)
No this one slipped the net.
Net? Haha Gaff!
I lost a gaff once on a 6ft bronze whaler shark, in hindsight, I'm probably lucky I didn't manage to hang on.
You gotta be careful when you gaff a shark.
Getting a shark to leader is an official catch. Cut the wire.
If you're targeting thresher or mako or some other tasty shark
you bring a baseball bat or a shotgun.
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Getting a shark to leader is an official catch. Cut the wire.
If you're targeting thresher or mako or some other tasty shark
you bring a baseball bat or a shotgun.
We caught some school shark also, cut into steaks, wrap in bacon and fry with garlic, lemon and little salt.
Are we far enough away from Brexit now that you can relax?
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Getting a shark to leader is an official catch. Cut the wire.
If you're targeting thresher or mako or some other tasty shark
you bring a baseball bat or a shotgun.
We caught some school shark also, cut into steaks, wrap in bacon and fry with garlic, lemon and little salt.
Are we far enough away from Brexit now that you can relax?
I never gave a crap about Brexit. It's like any other vote . . .
Those on one side vilify those on the other side and vice a versa.
Losing is never fun. It is amazing how people
are now elevating their personal opinions
to the level of fact.
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I never gave a crap about Brexit. It's like any other vote . . .
Those on one side vilify those on the other side and vice a versa.
Losing is never fun. It is amazing how people
are now elevating their personal opinions
to the level of fact.
Fact is you have a lot to say about something you pretend not to care about.
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Did... Did these people just discover propaganda??
Umm, no that wasn't the point at all, propaganda isn't illegal, immoral maybe, but what Vote Leave did was illegal, and facebook is hiding the evidence.
I don't really care if it was or wasn't illegal (I mean, I do in the sense that they should be punished if they did something illegal, but that's beside the point), I just don't think it changes much. Nothing radically changed, democracy is not more or less hurt than it used to be. It's nothing new. People are hinging at external factors to blame the result on, instead of seriously facing the reasons why people voted that way.
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I never gave a crap about Brexit. It's like any other vote . . .
Those on one side vilify those on the other side and vice a versa.
Losing is never fun. It is amazing how people
are now elevating their personal opinions
to the level of fact.
Fact is you have a lot to say about something you pretend not to care about.
No. I just don't care what a Greek or Filipino thinks of Brexit.
EXAMPLE: "OMG my country is circling the drain.
Here's my opinion of the Vermont vice Governor race."
Funny how you only shoot uphill.
You ignore the folks shooting at you from down hill.
Albeit, there's not many.
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I never gave a crap about Brexit. It's like any other vote . . .
Those on one side vilify those on the other side and vice a versa.
Losing is never fun. It is amazing how people
are now elevating their personal opinions
to the level of fact.
Fact is you have a lot to say about something you pretend not to care about.
No. I just don't care what a Greek or Filipino thinks of Brexit.
EXAMPLE: "OMG my country is circling the drain.
Here's my opinion of the Vermont vice Governor race."
Funny how you only shoot uphill.
You ignore the folks shooting at you from down hill.
Albeit, there's not many.
Αnd I don't care what an American thinks of me having an opinion of that.
EXAMPLE: "My country is the richest in the world and yet somehow we've managed to have shittier living standards than countries with fractions of our GDP per capita, and somehow much worse healthcare than broke countries like Greece, and meanwhile we're at war with half the globe, and despite all these failures, I feel like I have a really special status on top of the hill, me, some guy who can only afford hanging around fishing and drinking, while being entirely irrelevant politically".
See how dumb that is?
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I never gave a crap about Brexit. It's like any other vote . . .
Those on one side vilify those on the other side and vice a versa.
Losing is never fun. It is amazing how people
are now elevating their personal opinions
to the level of fact.
Fact is you have a lot to say about something you pretend not to care about.
No. I just don't care what a Greek or Filipino thinks of Brexit.
EXAMPLE: "OMG my country is circling the drain.
Here's my opinion of the Vermont vice Governor race."
Funny how you only shoot uphill.
You ignore the folks shooting at you from down hill.
Albeit, there's not many.
Αnd I don't care what an American thinks of me having an opinion of that.
EXAMPLE: "My country is the richest in the world and yet somehow we've managed to have shittier living standards than countries with fractions of our GDP per capita, and somehow much worse healthcare than broke countries like Greece, and meanwhile we're at war with half the globe, and despite all these failures, I feel like I have a really special status on top of the hill, me, some guy who can only afford hanging around fishing and drinking, while being entirely irrelevant politically".
See how dumb that is?
I envy you. ::)
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I never gave a crap about Brexit. It's like any other vote . . .
Those on one side vilify those on the other side and vice a versa.
Losing is never fun. It is amazing how people
are now elevating their personal opinions
to the level of fact.
Fact is you have a lot to say about something you pretend not to care about.
No. I just don't care what a Greek or Filipino thinks of Brexit.
EXAMPLE: "OMG my country is circling the drain.
Here's my opinion of the Vermont vice Governor race."
Funny how you only shoot uphill.
You ignore the folks shooting at you from down hill.
Albeit, there's not many.
Αnd I don't care what an American thinks of me having an opinion of that.
EXAMPLE: "My country is the richest in the world and yet somehow we've managed to have shittier living standards than countries with fractions of our GDP per capita, and somehow much worse healthcare than broke countries like Greece, and meanwhile we're at war with half the globe, and despite all these failures, I feel like I have a really special status on top of the hill, me, some guy who can only afford hanging around fishing and drinking, while being entirely irrelevant politically".
See how dumb that is?
I envy you. ::)
Hanging out fishing and drinking, sounds like quite the lifestyle to my simple tastes.
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Ι don't have anything against it as a lifestyle. I wasn't trying to insinuate that.
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I never gave a crap about Brexit. It's like any other vote . . .
Those on one side vilify those on the other side and vice a versa.
Losing is never fun. It is amazing how people
are now elevating their personal opinions
to the level of fact.
Fact is you have a lot to say about something you pretend not to care about.
No. I just don't care what a Greek or Filipino thinks of Brexit.
EXAMPLE: "OMG my country is circling the drain.
Here's my opinion of the Vermont vice Governor race."
Funny how you only shoot uphill.
You ignore the folks shooting at you from down hill.
Albeit, there's not many.
Αnd I don't care what an American thinks of me having an opinion of that.
EXAMPLE: "My country is the richest in the world and yet somehow we've managed to have shittier living standards than countries with fractions of our GDP per capita, and somehow much worse healthcare than broke countries like Greece, and meanwhile we're at war with half the globe, and despite all these failures, I feel like I have a really special status on top of the hill, me, some guy who can only afford hanging around fishing and drinking, while being entirely irrelevant politically".
See how dumb that is?
I envy you. ::)
Hanging out fishing and drinking, sounds like quite the lifestyle to my simple tastes.
Should I be forced to feed and clothe my neighbor's spawn instead of buying a Ferrari?
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Should I be forced to feed and clothe my neighbor's spawn instead of buying a Ferrari?
Yes. If you're at the point where those are your options, you cannot seriously be arguing that a Ferrari is more important.
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Should I be forced to feed and clothe my neighbor's spawn instead of buying a Ferrari?
Yes. If you're at the point where those are your options, you cannot seriously be arguing that a Ferrari is more important.
Wanna bet?
I'm 57. No children.
Why should my wealth be confiscated
to pay for families that can't afford to survive?
How about buckets of rubbers on every street corner?
Fuck each other, don't fuck me.
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I'm 57. No children.
Why should my wealth be confiscated
to pay for families that can't afford to survive?
Because it's not being confiscated. If you're able to afford a Ferrari, you have plenty of income that you straight-up do not need for anything significant. If you prioritise it over lives, stop living in a society and head out into the woods somewhere.
How about buckets of rubbers on every street corner?
Fuck each other, don't fuck me.
You going to pay for those?
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Why should my wealth be confiscated
to pay for families that can't afford to survive?
Because as a society we may have decided that starving children getting some food is more important than some bitter old shit getting to drive around in an Italian sports car.
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How about buckets of rubbers on every street corner?
Fuck each other, don't fuck me.
You going to pay for those?
Absolutely.
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I'm 57. No children.
Why should my wealth be confiscated
to pay for families that can't afford to survive?
Is that supposed to be making a case for not doing that? You seem to be making a good case for confiscating your wealth lol.
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I'm 57. No children.
Why should my wealth be confiscated
to pay for families that can't afford to survive?
Is that supposed to be making a case for not doing that? You seem to be making a good case for confiscating your wealth lol.
I realize useless people want to spend other people's money on themselves.
And they feel entitled to spend other people's money on themselves.
China sells babies overseas. Why don't we? White privilege?
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I realize useless people want to spend other people's money on themselves.
And they feel entitled to spend other people's money on themselves.
Personally I'd call wanting a Ferrari over saving lives a considerably greater example of entitlement.
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I'm 57. No children.
Why should my wealth be confiscated
to pay for families that can't afford to survive?
Is that supposed to be making a case for not doing that? You seem to be making a good case for confiscating your wealth lol.
I realize useless people want to spend other people's money on themselves.
And they feel entitled to spend other people's money on themselves.
China sells babies overseas. Why don't we? White privilege?
What?
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I realize useless people want to spend other people's money on themselves.
And they feel entitled to spend other people's money on themselves.
Personally I'd call wanting a Ferrari over saving lives a considerably greater example of entitlement.
I do not disbelieve you.
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Jesus, I hadn't even seen this thread today.
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Jesus, I hadn't even seen this thread today.
Nothing to see here, it's just Bullwinkle doing a spot of fishing.
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It's a sand-trap, we lure Brexitters in and beat them to death with their own stupidity.
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Apparently Sargon of Akkad is running for MEP with UKIP:
(https://external-preview.redd.it/Yk3MXeVJmi47ciQkE_GfSDveUZn5-wiaJfDs4DfnD3Y.jpg?auto=webp&s=046bbc52108eb530002369e7dceaa43c457e2a47)
(This is not real obviously, his campaign has been pretty absurd though)
This is awesome! A reporter is trying to interview him. He deflects every question by just telling people to watch his YouTube channel.
What the hell does he think the purpose of an interview is?
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(https://i.redd.it/37odxgmevku21.png)
His campaign is going swimmingly.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6967747/Now-Ukip-candidate-said-wouldnt-rape-Labour-MP-says-OK-sexually-abuse-boys.html
Loving this campaign so far.
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Brexit update: it's going so well that next up we're voting for our representatives in the EU parliament because the government had three years to do anything and they failed miserably, and a major political party is running with the following slogan:
(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/ce57e06eb0638b3bb71f0195fb3f9647ade0e7f1/0_205_7518_4511/master/7518.jpg?width=1200&height=630&quality=85&auto=format&fit=crop&overlay-align=bottom%2Cleft&overlay-width=100p&overlay-base64=L2ltZy9zdGF0aWMvb3ZlcmxheXMvdGctZGVmYXVsdC5wbmc&s=a2b4a272f78dc29cb1b85e319e56215e)
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Brexit update: it's going so well that next up we're voting for our representatives in the EU parliament because the government had three years to do anything and they failed miserably, and a major political party is running with the following slogan:
(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/ce57e06eb0638b3bb71f0195fb3f9647ade0e7f1/0_205_7518_4511/master/7518.jpg?width=1200&height=630&quality=85&auto=format&fit=crop&overlay-align=bottom%2Cleft&overlay-width=100p&overlay-base64=L2ltZy9zdGF0aWMvb3ZlcmxheXMvdGctZGVmYXVsdC5wbmc&s=a2b4a272f78dc29cb1b85e319e56215e)
Wish your current parliament had the intestinal fortitude to dump the entire notion of Brexit altogether. To hell with what that Nigel loser and his equally brain dead supporters think. That Muppet belongs in jail anyway.
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The weird thing is that Garage's Brexit party is doing great at EU parliament polls.
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This is what happens when people are allowed to vote.
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The weird thing is that Garage's Brexit party is doing great at EU parliament polls.
Yeah I was wondering about that. If I recall they have 36% which I guess it's more than the other parties. So I guess a small but vocal group of crazy people might succeed at plunging their country into chaos.
Glad I have no idea what that's like.
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This is what happens when people are allowed to vote.
Nope, that's what happens when you allow lies to go unchallenged.
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This is what happens when people are allowed to vote.
Nope, that's what happens when you allow lies to go unchallenged.
Are you suggesting that some people were not allowed to share their thoughts and opinions?
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This is what happens when people are allowed to vote.
Nope, that's what happens when you allow lies to go unchallenged.
Are you suggesting that some people were not allowed to share their thoughts and opinions?
The fate of a country should not be dependent on an illegally funded organisation convincing people to vote based on objective untruths.
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This is what happens when people are allowed to vote.
Nope, that's what happens when you allow lies to go unchallenged.
Are you suggesting that some people were not allowed to share their thoughts and opinions?
Not thoughts and opinions, just lies intended to deceive.
https://metro.co.uk/2019/05/14/case-boris-johnson-brexit-lies-will-public-hearing-eu-election-day-9540055/
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This is what happens when people are allowed to vote.
Nope, that's what happens when you allow lies to go unchallenged.
Are you suggesting that some people were not allowed to share their thoughts and opinions?
Not thoughts and opinions, just lies intended to deceive.
https://metro.co.uk/2019/05/14/case-boris-johnson-brexit-lies-will-public-hearing-eu-election-day-9540055/
Yep, thoughts and opinions . . .
Nobody has been arrested, nobody has been charged, nobody has been interviewed.
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I wonder if the Brexit Party really has much support as they pretend?
https://twitter.com/jdg68/status/1128739933240344577
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I wonder if the Brexit Party really has much support as they pretend?
Do you think there should be re-votes until you like the outcome?
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I wonder if the Brexit Party really has much support as they pretend?
Do you think there should be re-votes until you like the outcome?
You are talking about a second referendum, I'm referring to next weeks European Elections. Try to keep up.
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Try to keep up.
I'll just read your links and believe the opposite. ;D
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Try to keep up.
I'll just read your links and believe the opposite. ;D
https://thebrexitparty.org/the-telegraph-thousands-of-tory-party-members-to-defect-to-nigel-farages-brexit-party-as-it-gets-official-approval/
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Try to keep up.
I'll just read your links and believe the opposite. ;D
https://thebrexitparty.org/the-telegraph-thousands-of-tory-party-members-to-defect-to-nigel-farages-brexit-party-as-it-gets-official-approval/
I like Nigel, he's loud.
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Worth a watch.
https://www.ted.com/talks/carole_cadwalladr_facebook_s_role_in_brexit_and_the_threat_to_democracy/up-next?language=en#t-201312
Vote Leave was based on lies and many aspects of the campaign were illegal
There needs to be transparency, truth and accountability for online advertising.
How many votes for 'leave' were placed based on sheer lies and disinformation?
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Vote Leave was based on lies
Lies or opinions?
many aspects of the campaign were illegal
Which aspects?
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Vote Leave was based on lies
Lies or opinions?
many aspects of the campaign were illegal
Which aspects?
It was a complete lie for example that there were plans for Turkey to join the EU. Yet Facebook was flooded was disinformation like this designed to scare people to vote 'leave'. This was not some 'opinion'. It was a deliberate falsehood known by its author and then circulated to scare people to voting a particular way. It's not honourable or honest. Brexit won't make the UK stronger. Or richer. Or safer. Those are facts.
As for legality, Brexit spent more than was allowed with funds with dubious origin. It's no secret Farage and his pals are being investigated for corruption and money laundering
www.independent.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fuk%2Fpolitics%2Fvote-leave-campaign-eu-referendum-spending-limits-brexit-beleave-boris-johnson-a8430191.html&psig=AOvVaw0_5nPiWBK1XlAQH3nSdSaH&ust=1558079529567640
Sad when people read dumb memes or political crap online and think it's the God given truth.... Divide and conquer is such a good strategy to weaken your enemy. Which country gets to benefit with a weakened UK and Euro?
These vote leave suckers could well have been trusting all their disinformation that was made up by foreign entities to screw with them. And they call themselves patriots? They are fools
Imagine if there could only be truth in political advertising and that every ad had transparency and accountability. Any Joe Bloggs can start a Facebook group and make shitty memes to go viral.
Also an opinion is your honest feeling on a matter. It is not fact or even relevant in politics. The lies that were deliberately spread were not opinions. Some of their authors may well have not even been UK citizens.
Perhaps people of the UK should not have their future decided by some dumb memes
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Vote Leave was based on lies
Lies or opinions?
many aspects of the campaign were illegal
Which aspects?
It was a complete lie for example that there were plans for Turkey to join the EU. Yet Facebook was flooded was disinformation like this designed to scare people to vote 'leave'. This was not some 'opinion'. It was a deliberate falsehood known by its author and then circulated to scare people to voting a particular way. It's not honourable or honest. Brexit won't make the UK stronger. Or richer. Or safer. Those are facts.
As for legality, Brexit spent more than was allowed with funds with dubious origin. It's no secret Farage and his pals are being investigated for corruption and money laundering
www.independent.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fuk%2Fpolitics%2Fvote-leave-campaign-eu-referendum-spending-limits-brexit-beleave-boris-johnson-a8430191.html&psig=AOvVaw0_5nPiWBK1XlAQH3nSdSaH&ust=1558079529567640
Sad when people read dumb memes or political crap online and think it's the God given truth.... Divide and conquer is such a good strategy to weaken your enemy. Which country gets to benefit with a weakened UK and Euro?
These vote leave suckers could well have been trusting all their disinformation that was made up by foreign entities to screw with them. And they call themselves patriots? They are fools
Imagine if there could only be truth in political advertising and that every ad had transparency and accountability. Any Joe Bloggs can start a Facebook group and make shitty memes to go viral.
Also an opinion is your honest feeling on a matter. It is not fact or even relevant in politics. The lies that were deliberately spread were not opinions. Some of their authors may well have not even been UK citizens.
Perhaps people of the UK should not have their future decided by some dumb memes
Bullwinkle doesn't understand the difference between opinion, fact and evidence.
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Do you think there should be re-votes until you like the outcome?
Leaving aside the fact it was a) ludicrously close given how many people didn't vote, b) the many reports of protest votes from people who never expected it to happen, c) the people who voted based on lies, d) the fact the leave campaign literally broke electoral law, e) the fact this was not and was never actually a binding referendum, f) the fact basically every poll taken since then indicates people want to stay, g) the fact Farage said he'd campaign for a revote if he lost by as narrow a margin as he won by...
You're still stuck with the question of what people voted for because there's more than one kind of brexit. That's kinda why this has taken so long. There are the people clamouring for a no deal brexit which the vast majority of the country is against, there are people that want a customs union, there's May's deal which barely anyone wants... Staying in the EU is pretty much unavoidably the majority opinion. The only reason it didn't get the majority of votes is because the referendum wasn't meant to be binding and so it didn't need to list the actual options.
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The quite brilliant Stewart Lee on Brexit....
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I wonder if the Brexit Party really has much support as they pretend?
Do you think there should be re-votes until you like the outcome?
Do you think democracy should only happen once?
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Vote Leave was based on lies
Lies or opinions?
many aspects of the campaign were illegal
Which aspects?
It was a complete lie for example that there were plans for Turkey to join the EU. Yet Facebook was flooded was disinformation like this designed to scare people to vote 'leave'. This was not some 'opinion'. It was a deliberate falsehood known by its author and then circulated to scare people to voting a particular way. It's not honourable or honest. Brexit won't make the UK stronger. Or richer. Or safer. Those are facts.
As for legality, Brexit spent more than was allowed with funds with dubious origin. It's no secret Farage and his pals are being investigated for corruption and money laundering
www.independent.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fuk%2Fpolitics%2Fvote-leave-campaign-eu-referendum-spending-limits-brexit-beleave-boris-johnson-a8430191.html&psig=AOvVaw0_5nPiWBK1XlAQH3nSdSaH&ust=1558079529567640
Sad when people read dumb memes or political crap online and think it's the God given truth.... Divide and conquer is such a good strategy to weaken your enemy. Which country gets to benefit with a weakened UK and Euro?
These vote leave suckers could well have been trusting all their disinformation that was made up by foreign entities to screw with them. And they call themselves patriots? They are fools
Imagine if there could only be truth in political advertising and that every ad had transparency and accountability. Any Joe Bloggs can start a Facebook group and make shitty memes to go viral.
Also an opinion is your honest feeling on a matter. It is not fact or even relevant in politics. The lies that were deliberately spread were not opinions. Some of their authors may well have not even been UK citizens.
Perhaps people of the UK should not have their future decided by some dumb memes
?!
Who are you and what have you done with shifter?
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b) the many reports of protest votes from people who never expected it to happen
Hopefully this will teach people to not be dumb in the future.
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b) the many reports of protest votes from people who never expected it to happen
Hopefully this will teach people to not be dumb in the future.
Probably. ;)
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So Nigel Frogface is taking foreign money. What a surprise.
https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1130441525052284934
Anyway, what's the deal with throwing milkshakes at people? Some new kind of weird lactose intolerant protest?
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Anyway, what's the deal with throwing milkshakes at people? Some new kind of weird lactose intolerant protest?
Ιt's fucking awesome. It started when some far right EP candidate was pestering some dude from Asia, and the dude got pissed and threw his milkshake all over him. It was caught on camera and now everyone is throwing milkshakes at alt right campaigners.
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You can't throw milkshakes at Trump. He'll just palm them and drink them.
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You can't throw milkshakes at Trump. He'll just palm them and drink them.
You can try!
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The content of the video isn't very interesting. The setting sort of is. The British seem a lot more polite in this sort of a situation than we are. In the US this would only end in pepper spray.
Also there's where Milo has been hiding.
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The content of the video isn't very interesting. The setting sort of is. The British seem a lot more polite in this sort of a situation than we are. In the US this would only end in pepper spray.
Also there's where Milo has been hiding.
Not enough milkshakes, 1/10.
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Dude literally compared getting milkshaked for being a shitbag to getting raped for wearing a short skirt. Wow.
Anyways this whole thing proved that milkshaking is the way to go with these people.
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Dude literally compared getting milkshaked for being a shitbag to getting raped for wearing a short skirt. Wow.
Anyways this whole thing proved that milkshaking is the way to go with these people.
Police apparently asked McDonalds to stop serving milkshakes when Tommy Robinson was in town. LOL
https://au.news.yahoo.com/mcdonalds-stops-selling-milkshakes-after-theyre-thrown-at-tommy-robinson-073150278.html
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Dude literally compared getting milkshaked for being a shitbag to getting raped for wearing a short skirt. Wow.
Anyways this whole thing proved that milkshaking is the way to go with these people.
So, physical assault is the proper way for an adult to express their disagreement?
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So, physical assault is the proper way for an adult to express their disagreement?
Sure, that is if you regard getting a free chocolate malt as a form of physical assault.
Seems to trigger the snowflakes on the alt-right. How can that be a bad thing. :)
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So, physical assault is the proper way for an adult to express their disagreement?
Sure, that is if you regard getting a free chocolate malt as a form of physical assault.
Seems to trigger the snowflakes on the alt-right. How can that be a bad thing. :)
Stupid children throw things.
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Dude literally compared getting milkshaked for being a shitbag to getting raped for wearing a short skirt. Wow.
Anyways this whole thing proved that milkshaking is the way to go with these people.
So, physical assault is the proper way for an adult to express their disagreement?
There isn't really a point expressing your disagreement to someone who compares getting milkshaked to getting raped. There is a point to milkshaking him though, and it's not "physical assault".
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There isn't really a point expressing your disagreement to someone who compares getting milkshaked to getting raped. There is a point to milkshaking him though, and it's not "physical assault".
So, it's OK to attack someone if you don't like them.
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There isn't really a point expressing your disagreement to someone who compares getting milkshaked to getting raped. There is a point to milkshaking him though, and it's not "physical assault".
So, it's OK to attack someone if you don't like them.
Don't turn a milkshake into an 'attack.' He wasn't hurt, injured, put in any pain... He was maybe mildly inconvenienced. That's the definition of a valid protest.
Someone that's stoked up xenophobia, inspired actual physical assaults, lied to the country and broken the law and got off scot-free, and screwed over millions and was a driving factor in forcing the country into its current state of utter uncertainty and likely chaos if he gets his way... forgive me if I don't feel particularly sad that he had to wash his suit.
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There isn't really a point expressing your disagreement to someone who compares getting milkshaked to getting raped. There is a point to milkshaking him though, and it's not "physical assault".
So, it's OK to attack someone if you don't like them.
Don't turn a milkshake into an 'attack.' He wasn't hurt, injured, put in any pain... He was maybe mildly inconvenienced. That's the definition of a valid protest.
Someone that's stoked up xenophobia, inspired actual physical assaults, lied to the country and broken the law and got off scot-free, and screwed over millions and was a driving factor in forcing the country into its current state of utter uncertainty and likely chaos if he gets his way... forgive me if I don't feel particularly sad that he had to wash his suit.
Let's say I disagree with something you said or feel or believe.
Am I free to toss a quart of sperm in your face?
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There isn't really a point expressing your disagreement to someone who compares getting milkshaked to getting raped. There is a point to milkshaking him though, and it's not "physical assault".
So, it's OK to attack someone if you don't like them.
Yes. It's OK to throw milkshakes to Farage and Sargon. It's also hilarious.
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There isn't really a point expressing your disagreement to someone who compares getting milkshaked to getting raped. There is a point to milkshaking him though, and it's not "physical assault".
So, it's OK to attack someone if you don't like them.
Don't turn a milkshake into an 'attack.' He wasn't hurt, injured, put in any pain... He was maybe mildly inconvenienced. That's the definition of a valid protest.
Someone that's stoked up xenophobia, inspired actual physical assaults, lied to the country and broken the law and got off scot-free, and screwed over millions and was a driving factor in forcing the country into its current state of utter uncertainty and likely chaos if he gets his way... forgive me if I don't feel particularly sad that he had to wash his suit.
Let's say I disagree with something you said or feel or believe.
Am I free to toss a quart of sperm in your face?
If you need to turn a cup of milkshake into a quart of bodily fluid, that should be all the indication you need that a milkshake isn't all that serious.
Screw what I feel or believe. If I am going out there and stoking real violence and real hatred with more consequences than spilled milk, you aren't just free to inconvenience me, you're morally obligated to.
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I don't really understand how not supporting this happening to "your side" but supporting it happening to the "other side" would be hypocritical anyways. Like, yeah, I don't like people I know getting milkshaked, but I like people I don't like getting milkshaked. This is not hypocrisy, it's just... Normal. But getting milkshaked isn't a big deal either, it's not "assault", it's just annoying and humiliating and they should be annoyed and humiliated because they're awful.
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There isn't really a point expressing your disagreement to someone who compares getting milkshaked to getting raped. There is a point to milkshaking him though, and it's not "physical assault".
So, it's OK to attack someone if you don't like them.
Don't turn a milkshake into an 'attack.' He wasn't hurt, injured, put in any pain... He was maybe mildly inconvenienced. That's the definition of a valid protest.
Someone that's stoked up xenophobia, inspired actual physical assaults, lied to the country and broken the law and got off scot-free, and screwed over millions and was a driving factor in forcing the country into its current state of utter uncertainty and likely chaos if he gets his way... forgive me if I don't feel particularly sad that he had to wash his suit.
Let's say I disagree with something you said or feel or believe.
Am I free to toss a quart of sperm in your face?
If you need to turn a cup of milkshake into a quart of bodily fluid, that should be all the indication you need that a milkshake isn't all that serious.
Screw what I feel or believe. If I am going out there and stoking real violence and real hatred with more consequences than spilled milk, you aren't just free to inconvenience me, you're morally obligated to.
Are you serious?
It's OK to attack people if you don't like them?
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I don't really understand how not supporting this happening to "your side" but supporting it happening to the "other side" would be hypocritical anyways. Like, yeah, I don't like people I know getting milkshaked, but I like people I don't like getting milkshaked. This is not hypocrisy, it's just... Normal. But getting milkshaked isn't a big deal either, it's not "assault", it's just annoying and humiliating and they should be annoyed and humiliated because they're awful.
How about throwing feces?
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How about throwing feces?
What about it? Are you making a point or are you just curious to see what I think about various particular things people can throw? They threw a milkshake, why do we have to go through everything they could have possibly thrown?
Tbh if someone flings a turd at Carlgon or Farage I'm gonna laugh.
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How about throwing feces?
What about it? Are you making a point or are you just curious to see what I think about various particular things people can throw? They threw a milkshake, why do we have to go through everything they could have possibly thrown?
Tbh if someone flings a turd at Carlgon or Farage I'm gonna laugh.
I'm starting to wonder if assault laws are different in Europe.
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How about throwing feces?
What about it? Are you making a point or are you just curious to see what I think about various particular things people can throw? They threw a milkshake, why do we have to go through everything they could have possibly thrown?
Tbh if someone flings a turd at Carlgon or Farage I'm gonna laugh.
I'm starting to wonder if assault laws are different in Europe.
Maybe, idk. All I know is that it's not typical to be arrested for making someone wet with milk.
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How about throwing feces?
What about it? Are you making a point or are you just curious to see what I think about various particular things people can throw? They threw a milkshake, why do we have to go through everything they could have possibly thrown?
Tbh if someone flings a turd at Carlgon or Farage I'm gonna laugh.
I'm starting to wonder if assault laws are different in Europe.
Maybe, idk. All I know is that it's not typical to be arrested for making someone wet with milk.
Life must be so confusing in the third world.
And why do cowards always attack from behind then try to run away?
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There isn't really a point expressing your disagreement to someone who compares getting milkshaked to getting raped. There is a point to milkshaking him though, and it's not "physical assault".
So, it's OK to attack someone if you don't like them.
Don't turn a milkshake into an 'attack.' He wasn't hurt, injured, put in any pain... He was maybe mildly inconvenienced. That's the definition of a valid protest.
Someone that's stoked up xenophobia, inspired actual physical assaults, lied to the country and broken the law and got off scot-free, and screwed over millions and was a driving factor in forcing the country into its current state of utter uncertainty and likely chaos if he gets his way... forgive me if I don't feel particularly sad that he had to wash his suit.
Let's say I disagree with something you said or feel or believe.
Am I free to toss a quart of sperm in your face?
If you need to turn a cup of milkshake into a quart of bodily fluid, that should be all the indication you need that a milkshake isn't all that serious.
Screw what I feel or believe. If I am going out there and stoking real violence and real hatred with more consequences than spilled milk, you aren't just free to inconvenience me, you're morally obligated to.
Are you serious?
It's OK to attack people if you don't like them?
Getting milk on someone's suit does not merit being called an 'attack.'
And objecting to actual harm someone has done is not personal dislike.
Are you interested in having a discussion or are you just going to keep asking irrelevant questions?
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So woke!
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How about throwing feces?
What about it? Are you making a point or are you just curious to see what I think about various particular things people can throw? They threw a milkshake, why do we have to go through everything they could have possibly thrown?
Tbh if someone flings a turd at Carlgon or Farage I'm gonna laugh.
I'm starting to wonder if assault laws are different in Europe.
Maybe, idk. All I know is that it's not typical to be arrested for making someone wet with milk.
Life must be so confusing in the third world.
And why do cowards always attack from behind then try to run away?
Because there are like 10 security guards around them?
Idk what the laws are like in the UK anyways.
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There isn't really a point expressing your disagreement to someone who compares getting milkshaked to getting raped. There is a point to milkshaking him though, and it's not "physical assault".
So, it's OK to attack someone if you don't like them.
Don't turn a milkshake into an 'attack.' He wasn't hurt, injured, put in any pain... He was maybe mildly inconvenienced. That's the definition of a valid protest.
Someone that's stoked up xenophobia, inspired actual physical assaults, lied to the country and broken the law and got off scot-free, and screwed over millions and was a driving factor in forcing the country into its current state of utter uncertainty and likely chaos if he gets his way... forgive me if I don't feel particularly sad that he had to wash his suit.
Let's say I disagree with something you said or feel or believe.
Am I free to toss a quart of sperm in your face?
If you need to turn a cup of milkshake into a quart of bodily fluid, that should be all the indication you need that a milkshake isn't all that serious.
Screw what I feel or believe. If I am going out there and stoking real violence and real hatred with more consequences than spilled milk, you aren't just free to inconvenience me, you're morally obligated to.
Are you serious?
It's OK to attack people if you don't like them?
Getting milk on someone's suit does not merit being called an 'attack.'
And objecting to actual harm someone has done is not personal dislike.
Are you interested in having a discussion or are you just going to keep asking irrelevant questions?
So I can dump anything I have in my bucket upon you and you are good with that?
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Bully are you just being obtuse for the hell of it, or are you one of these for whom a custard pie is the same as a hand-grenade?
Isn't there one person on this earth that had you the milkshake and the opportunity you would not introduce one to the other and damn the consequences?
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So I can dump anything I have in my bucket upon you and you are good with that?
Is it harmless, non-offensive, will only cause a minor inconvenience, and have I been stoking xenophobia, actual violence and breaking the law?
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So I can dump anything I have in my bucket upon you and you are good with that?
Look, if you come into my house and you start spitting on everything I won't be cool with it, but it's not an assault.
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Bully are you just being obtuse for the hell of it, or are you one of these for whom a custard pie is the same as a hand-grenade?
Isn't there one person on this earth that had you the milkshake and the opportunity you would not introduce one to the other and damn the consequences?
From my earliest memories I have known right from wrong.
As a child I knew when my behavior was wrong.
I was about twelve years old when I reconciled my behavior with my actions.
I grew up.
I disturbs me that some adults appear to feel that they can behave like children.
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I was about twelve years old when I reconciled my behavior with my actions.
I grew up.
If you're trying to reconcile modern politics with the perspective of a twelve year old, that might be your problem. Things are not that easy.
This is not a matter of mere disagreement. This is someone who has done active harm, who has broken the law and been rewarded for it, who celebrates lying to the public. If we were to take your twelve year old's perspective, he should have been stopped long since. He hasn't. Responding to those attitudes by forcing inconvenience, not harm, not gross-outs, mild inconvenience, upon them as the only consequences they are actually facing is the least we can do. This is hardly a new thing. You are literally crying over spilled milk.
He wasn't assaulted, he wasn't hurt, he wasn't injured. He'd have to spare a little time to wash his suit, that's the sum total of the effect on him and after that the effects are over, meanwhile the whole country is still suffering the effects of what he's doing.
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He wasn't assaulted
Yes he was.
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He wasn't assaulted
Yes he was.
At best his clothes were, even using the most open, meaningless definition. Are you grasping that we are talking about a milkshake here? Not even the cup.
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He wasn't assaulted
Yes he was.
At best his clothes were, even using the most open, meaningless definition. Are you grasping that we are talking about a milkshake here? Not even the cup.
Oh, using your logic I could burn down your house and it is not an attack upon you.
Shut the fuck up and get over it, right?
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You heard it here first folks, getting milk on your suit is like having your house burnt.
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He wasn't assaulted
Yes he was.
At best his clothes were, even using the most open, meaningless definition. Are you grasping that we are talking about a milkshake here? Not even the cup.
Oh, using your logic I could burn down your house and it is not an attack upon you.
Shut the fuck up and get over it, right?
No, burning down my home isn't assault. It's called arson. Are you saying throwing a milkshake at someone is equivalent to arson?
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You heard it here first folks, getting milk on your suit is like having your house burnt.
Any attack is an attack.
You are not an American.
You have no idea what ultimate freedom means.
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You heard it here first folks, getting milk on your suit is like having your house burnt.
Any attack is an attack.
So then if I throw a leaf at your shoe that's also an assault. If that's your definition then I really don't see why anyone should care about it.
You are not an American.
You have no idea what ultimate freedom means.
LMAO!
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So then if I throw a leaf at your shoe that's also an assault.
Yep. If you threw the leaf on purpose, you are a bitch and you will be punished.
A real man does not put up with your shit.
You challenge. You test. You win or lose.
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So then if I throw a leaf at your shoe that's also an assault.
Yep. If you threw the leaf on purpose, you are a bitch and you will be punished.
A real man does not put up with your shit.
Don't be a snowflake.
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So then if I throw a leaf at your shoe that's also an assault.
Yep. If you threw the leaf on purpose, you are a bitch and you will be punished.
A real man does not put up with your shit.
Don't be a snowflake.
A snowflake is a coward.
A man makes things happen.
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So then if I throw a leaf at your shoe that's also an assault.
Yep. If you threw the leaf on purpose, you are a bitch and you will be punished.
A real man does not put up with your shit.
Don't be a snowflake.
A snowflake is a coward.
A man makes things happen.
Things such as getting Farage doused in milkshake.
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So then if I throw a leaf at your shoe that's also an assault.
Yep. If you threw the leaf on purpose, you are a bitch and you will be punished.
A real man does not put up with your shit.
Don't be a snowflake.
A snowflake is a coward.
A man makes things happen.
Things such as getting Farage doused in milkshake.
Retartid adolescent bullshit.
Idiots, morons and basic dorks think the way to get their way is to light fires and throw things.
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Retartid adolescent bullshit.
Idiots, morons and basic dorks think the way to get their way is to light fires and throw things.
Don't knock adolescent tricks. When you're dealing with someone who has demonstrated utter indifference to the systems that should be holding him to account, this is pretty much all that's left. Sometimes you need to remind people that not everyone's buying what they're selling.
Part of growing up is moving beyond just your own personal sphere.
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But you have no idea what ultimate freedom means!
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But you have no idea what ultimate freedom means!
I know freedom . . . I go commando. ;D
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Retartid adolescent bullshit.
Idiots, morons and basic dorks think the way to get their way is to light fires and throw things.
Don't knock adolescent tricks. When you're dealing with someone who has demonstrated utter indifference to the systems that should be holding him to account, this is pretty much all that's left. Sometimes you need to remind people that not everyone's buying what they're selling.
Part of growing up is moving beyond just your own personal sphere.
I think I'm going to have to side with Bullwinkle here. Throwing a milkshake at someone qualifies as assault. It's a very mild form. Probably won't land someone in prison. But it's the principle of it. Ideally policy is based on discussions. Once even this mild form of violence is introduced all that goes out the window. It's now a milkshake fight. I, for one, don't think society should be built on the opinion of those with the biggest milkshakes.
Question for you. What's your opinion of the white supremacist Richard Spencer getting punched?
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Retartid adolescent bullshit.
Idiots, morons and basic dorks think the way to get their way is to light fires and throw things.
Don't knock adolescent tricks. When you're dealing with someone who has demonstrated utter indifference to the systems that should be holding him to account, this is pretty much all that's left. Sometimes you need to remind people that not everyone's buying what they're selling.
Part of growing up is moving beyond just your own personal sphere.
I think I'm going to have to side with Bullwinkle here. Throwing a milkshake at someone qualifies as assault. It's a very mild form. Probably won't land someone in prison. But it's the principle of it. Ideally policy is based on discussions. Once even this mild form of violence is introduced all that goes out the window. It's now a milkshake fight. I, for one, don't think society should be built on the opinion of those with the biggest milkshakes.
Question for you. What's your opinion of the white supremacist Richard Spencer getting punched?
My issue is 'Ideally policy is based on discussions.' There are groups where that isn't the case, where the attitudes they actively cultivate are not ones to just talk through differences, but rather to blindly reject and hurt. That's not part of normal politics and shouldn't be treated as such, so the normal rules should not necessarily apply. People like Farage, or for that matter Spencer, who have their entire careers based upon dehumanising whole communities based on who they are, are not people to discuss with, because those statements are not up for discussion. They, and they specifically, don't deserve the courtesy of discussion.
It isn't a general rule, go out and throw milkshakes or punch or whatever anyone you disagree with, it's nothing like that at all. There are statements that go beyond any kind of reasonable discussion or good-faith view of the world, way more than mere political disagreement, and all discussion achieves is the illusion of legitimacy. That isn't deserved. If they are afforded that, then something needs to be done and when this is the only avenue open, you can't just do nothing.
Ideally, policy is based on discussions. This isn't the ideal situation. It's a guy that straight-up aped Nazi propaganda and sees no issue fanning the flames of bigoted, dangerous ideology and making huge swathes of the country afraid for their wellbeing. We're not talking about everyday politicians here. You're describing a situation where violence is a first resort; I'm describing one where it is the last.
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What's your opinion of the white supremacist Richard Spencer getting punched?
OMG that was a loud clack!
I think the immature little fist boy prick should earn a tattoo on his forehead . . . "I R reTart"
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But it's the principle of it. Ideally policy is based on discussions. Once even this mild form of violence is introduced all that goes out the window.
That's just a slippery slope.
Question for you. What's your opinion of the white supremacist Richard Spencer getting punched?
It was awesome, but I don't think it achieved much.
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But you have no idea what ultimate freedom means!
Ultimate freedom is when you go to jail for getting milk on someone's clothes.
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So then if I throw a leaf at your shoe that's also an assault.
Yep. If you threw the leaf on purpose, you are a bitch and you will be punished.
A real man does not put up with your shit.
Don't be a snowflake.
A snowflake is a coward.
A man makes things happen.
Things such as getting Farage doused in milkshake.
Retartid adolescent bullshit.
Idiots, morons and basic dorks think the way to get their way is to light fires and throw things.
I don't think anyone thinks they're getting the way by doing that.
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I don't think anyone thinks they're getting the way by doing that.
Then explain why they assault people.
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2 things.
1.You speak as if civilization is on the verge of going full fascist. I don't think that's accurate. I'm not sure how things are in England. In America there's Trump who seems to really bring the racists out of the woodwork. But it's not like it's shifting opinion towards them. If anything it's made the public aware that these people are still around.
Charlottesville, for example, the white supremacists were absolutely dwarfed by the counter protesters. The only serious act of violence was by a white supremacist. This did not help their cause.
2. Yes of course they're intractable lunatics. No you won't change their minds. But this is not a one on one discussion. Like any public debate it's about convincing the audience.
Keep this in mind when considering the extreme right, they want to destroy conversation and settle things through violence. Their ideas are garbage. They know they can't win in a contest of ideas. Their only hope to get their way is to pull things out of the realm of reason.
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I don't think anyone thinks they're getting the way by doing that.
Then explain why they assault people.
Because it pisses them off and humiliates them. Also because it's kinda funny.
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But it's the principle of it. Ideally policy is based on discussions. Once even this mild form of violence is introduced all that goes out the window.
That's just a slippery slope.
I don't necessarily think milkshakes lead to knife fights but if you're an onlooker and you see one side making an argument and the other side's best counterarguement is [throws a milkshake] then the non milkshake side maybe looks more reasonable.
It was awesome, but I don't think it achieved much.
It actually did achieve a lot. It got Richard Spencer a ton of support and publicity.
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2 things.
1.You speak as if civilization is on the verge of going full fascist.
You underestimate the threat. I remind you that in Greece Golden Dawn, literal neo Nazis who murder people, are the third most popular party. In France Le Pen is leading the polls. Farage and UKIP almost single handedly made Brexit a reality by convincing people they were under severe danger by refugees or something. People are drowning in the Mediterranean and "identitarians", including people from the US and Canada you may know, like Lauren Southern, have tried to stop rescue ships from getting to them. People are literally dying, it's not all abstract disagreements. Forget about Europe, you've got children locked up in the US, you've got violence at the borders, you've got racist attacks and people shooting up synagogues and mosques and schools, and you've got states banning abortions.
If anything it's made the public aware that these people are still around.
But the public are the ones bringing them around in the first place, that's the issue.
2. Yes of course they're intractable lunatics. No you won't change their minds. But this is not a one on one discussion. Like any public debate it's about convincing the audience.
You're coming at this under the assumption that everyone is looking at things level headed and that there aren't millions of people who are just ticking time bombs. You underestimate the power of debates.
They know they can't win in a contest of ideas.
Except they can and they do, because not everyone is willing to think like that. Sometimes it works, it's true, and we have to do everything we can to "convert" everyone we can. But this doesn't change the fact that most of these people are pretty much lost causes.
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1.You speak as if civilization is on the verge of going full fascist. I don't think that's accurate. I'm not sure how things are in England. In America there's Trump who seems to really bring the racists out of the woodwork. But it's not like it's shifting opinion towards them. If anything it's made the public aware that these people are still around.
Charlottesville, for example, the white supremacists were absolutely dwarfed by the counter protesters. The only serious act of violence was by a white supremacist. This did not help their cause.
It's not exactly on the verge, but it's closer than it's been for a while and doing nothing will only bring it closer. Sure, the public's aware they're still around, but what does that mean? You can say things like that didn't help their cause, but how much harm has it actually done to it? Making them unwilling to come forward is going to achieve more than giving them a platform.
2. Yes of course they're intractable lunatics. No you won't change their minds. But this is not a one on one discussion. Like any public debate it's about convincing the audience.
Keep this in mind when considering the extreme right, they want to destroy conversation and settle things through violence. Their ideas are garbage. They know they can't win in a contest of ideas. Their only hope to get their way is to pull things out of the realm of reason.
That's not true. They can win in a 'contest of ideas' because it's not about truth. You forget they were all convinced and radicalised, they know the tricks that work. Like you say, it's about convincing the audience. if you debate them, then what you do is tell the audience that their point of view is worthy of consideration. That's a win for them, because they know most people would reject their ideology if they just get flung headfirst in the deep end. It's why people always focus on being anti-immigration, and yet curiously only ever seem to care about immigration from non-white countries; it's racism pure and simple, but it's a more socially acceptable form. A lot of it takes that form, dressed-up bigotry where you're just a short hop and a skip from full-on white nationalism but all described by things that seem reasonable at first glance. They just want to make people believe the former, because that's sufficient to get a lot of support, and makes it easier to push people further.
White supremacy is on the rise partly because existing racists feel legitimised and encouraged by what's been allowed in the public eye, and because the internet allows propaganda and basically recruitment drives to target people far more easily. A lot of the white supremacists were convinced to that way of thinking. Not by truth, not by reason, by manipulation, and everyone is vulnerable to that. The solution to that is to not give them an audience for their manipulation, and to encourage racists to not come forth and start spreading it.
The only thing you achieve by reasoned debate is to encourage the belief that their beliefs are reasonable, are worth talking about. You're on this site, you know as well as I do that the quality of someone's debate skill has no bearing on the truth of their conclusions.
I don't necessarily think milkshakes lead to knife fights but if you're an onlooker and you see one side making an argument and the other side's best counterarguement is [throws a milkshake] then the non milkshake side maybe looks more reasonable.
And that's why you don't start a debate with them. It's not two people on podiums where one just goes over and whacks the other, it's a hate-spouting person in the street facing consequences.
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But it's the principle of it. Ideally policy is based on discussions. Once even this mild form of violence is introduced all that goes out the window.
That's just a slippery slope.
I don't necessarily think milkshakes lead to knife fights but if you're an onlooker and you see one side making an argument and the other side's best counterarguement is [throws a milkshake] then the non milkshake side maybe looks more reasonable.
Not at all, unless it is someone who puts "civility" above humanity. It's not like these people make rational arguments anyways. If you look at the video you posted, the guy addressing Sargon is TRYING to make arguments, but Sargon and Milo are just making rape jokes and teasing him like high-school bullies. This is what works for their audience. You think the people buying into their shit have any real interest in rational debate as a "contest of ideas". It didn't work out well for the protester. This is why I said milkshaking them works better than what he tried to do. Part of their appeal is "dominance" posturing, that's why all the titles to alt right videos are the way they are. People love seeing them "dominate" opponents, they don't have to make good arguments, they just have to "own" the other side. But you don't look very dominant covered in milk.
It actually did achieve a lot. It got Richard Spencer a ton of support and publicity.
That's a little bit questionable but yes, that was my concern .
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Apologies to Jane and Pez. Great points but I don't have the time to respond right now.
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I don't think anyone thinks they're getting the way by doing that.
Then explain why they assault people.
Because it pisses them off and humiliates them. Also because it's kinda funny.
The assailant looks like a twat. No excuse.
What kind of spastic brain dead dick flap thinks is OK to blindside attack someone?
You?
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I don't think anyone thinks they're getting the way by doing that.
Then explain why they assault people.
Because it pisses them off and humiliates them. Also because it's kinda funny.
The assailant looks like a twat. No excuse.
What kind of spastic brain dead dick flap thinks is OK to blindside attack someone?
You?
Yes.
Look, if you're that concerned about the fact they were blindsided, you may prefer this one:
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Well, fuck this. ::)
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Well, fuck this. ::)
That's pretty much what everyone says about Brexit, welcome to the club.
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Latest update:
https://www.kentlive.news/news/kent-news/nigel-farage-stuck-brexit-bus-2897876
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Latest update:
https://www.kentlive.news/news/kent-news/nigel-farage-stuck-brexit-bus-2897876
Nice.
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Latest update:
https://www.kentlive.news/news/kent-news/nigel-farage-stuck-brexit-bus-2897876
Is there a word for "fear of having a milkshake thrown at you"?
There's lactophobia, fear of milk generally, and there's ballistophobia, fear of having things thrown at you, or fear of flying objects.
And latin for shake is quasso, so i guess milkshake is lactoquasso?
So, I propose lactoquassoballistophobia, fear of flying milkshakes.
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White supremacy is on the rise partly because existing racists feel legitimised and encouraged by what's been allowed in the public eye, and because the internet allows propaganda and basically recruitment drives to target people far more easily. A lot of the white supremacists were convinced to that way of thinking. Not by truth, not by reason, by manipulation, and everyone is vulnerable to that. The solution to that is to not give them an audience for their manipulation, and to encourage racists to not come forth and start spreading it.
The only thing you achieve by reasoned debate is to encourage the belief that their beliefs are reasonable, are worth talking about. You're on this site, you know as well as I do that the quality of someone's debate skill has no bearing on the truth of their conclusions.
I think the 'public eye' is far less tolerant these days actually. The 'PC' world view ensures anyone who even makes a stupid joke can lose their career overnight ala the stupid lady who was on a plane to Africa and tweeted 'HOPE I DON'T GET AIDS! LOL'
By the time she landed, her job was lost lol
The problem is the politicians are becoming more radical. The racist and 'alt right' losers are feeling empowered because of them. 8 also wonder if the 'prohibition' on saying anything that could be remotely offensive is driving people to that path ('rebel' against society phase young enough for brainwashing)
America, Australia, the UK and parts of Europe are electing more right wing candidates. Intolerance is making a comeback but not from most plebs, but the leaders themselves.
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I think the 'public eye' is far less tolerant these days actually. The 'PC' world view ensures anyone who even makes a stupid joke can lose their career overnight ala the stupid lady who was on a plane to Africa and tweeted 'HOPE I DON'T GET AIDS! LOL'
By the time she landed, her job was lost lol
The problem is the politicians are becoming more radical. The racist and 'alt right' losers are feeling empowered because of them. 8 also wonder if the 'prohibition' on saying anything that could be remotely offensive is driving people to that path ('rebel' against society phase young enough for brainwashing)
America, Australia, the UK and parts of Europe are electing more right wing candidates. Intolerance is making a comeback but not from most plebs, but the leaders themselves.
That's always the funny thing about this. Your everyday people get vaguely affected, in specific circumstances, though in fairness social media has been used to make people lose their jobs for dumb reasons pretty much ever since it got big. In these cases at least though, especially with customer service jobs or jobs where you look out for others' interests, it is entirely legitimate to not want someone with worrying attitudes in a position like that given who they might end up serving or representing. The bigger issue is how selective it is; there are a myriad of established figures who say things like that and worse and despite outcry get basically no punishment for it. The internet has good and bad points, and one of the bad is mob rule, start any controversy no matter how unjustified about someone and minor businesses aren't going to think it's worth the effort to defend the person in question. Anyone who has weight behind them though can pretty much do whatever they want and it would take a lot for outrage to mean anything.
You can't really blame the call-outs for the rise in right-wing extremists though, xenophobia and bigotry make a comeback every few decades once politicians realise picking a scapegoat is an easy way to get support. Reactionary attitudes are one of the tools they use, but even if no one started calling out they'd find other ways to twist things to get support. Literally anything can be construed as rebelling against society; that's especially true in the US from what I've seen, they have majority groups weaving a narrative where they're a persecuted minority apparently solely so they get to use that particular token, and similar happens in the UK if not to quite the same extent. It's not about truth, it's about marketing.
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Trexit is a go.
Theresa May has resigned as PM, or will do on the 7th June. Favourites for replacing her are Boris Johnson (utter moron), the Downing Street Cat (most qualified person in Number 10 right now), or the sound technician that helped her give her statement (because why the hell not at this stage?)
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Holy shit, Boris Johnson? Just how low does the UK want to go? He's a bafoon not a statesman. He'll embarrass the UK on the world stage like Trump has for America
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Trexit is a go.
Theresa May has resigned as PM, or will do on the 7th June. Favourites for replacing her are Boris Johnson (utter moron), the Downing Street Cat (most qualified person in Number 10 right now), or the sound technician that helped her give her statement (because why the hell not at this stage?)
Now do you understand the consequences of your milkshake lawlessness?
If I understand how your government works, and I'm certain that I don't, then as a direct descendent of Charles Martel I'm seizing control of the throne in parliament. Naturally I shall maintain my anonymity and also my job here as it pays more according to Wikipedia.
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Holy shit, Boris Johnson? Just how low does the UK want to go? He's a bafoon not a statesman. He'll embarrass the UK on the world stage like Trump has for America
You say that like it hasn't happened already.
Personally I'm supporting Larry (https://twitter.com/Number10cat/status/1131878837267120128). Has twelve years experience as the Chief Mouser to the Cabinet Office, which given we're almost at our third PM in three years is quite impressive. I think he's bound to do a better job negotiating with other world leaders and representing the United Kingdom than May.
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Holy shit, Boris Johnson? Just how low does the UK want to go? He's a bafoon not a statesman. He'll embarrass the UK on the world stage like Trump has for America
You say that like it hasn't happened already.
Personally I'm supporting Larry (https://twitter.com/Number10cat/status/1131878837267120128). Has twelve years experience as the Chief Mouser to the Cabinet Office, which given we're almost at our third PM in three years is quite impressive. I think he's bound to do a better job negotiating with other world leaders and representing the United Kingdom than May.
Larry is hoping that someone throws milkshakes?
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Holy shit, Boris Johnson? Just how low does the UK want to go? He's a bafoon not a statesman. He'll embarrass the UK on the world stage like Trump has for America
You say that like it hasn't happened already.
Personally I'm supporting Larry (https://twitter.com/Number10cat/status/1131878837267120128). Has twelve years experience as the Chief Mouser to the Cabinet Office, which given we're almost at our third PM in three years is quite impressive. I think he's bound to do a better job negotiating with other world leaders and representing the United Kingdom than May.
Well it kind of has but May could still show some decorum. Boris I Trumps chum and will bring that alt right flavour to the head of the UK's political system
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Holy shit, Boris Johnson? Just how low does the UK want to go? He's a bafoon not a statesman. He'll embarrass the UK on the world stage like Trump has for America
You say that like it hasn't happened already.
Personally I'm supporting Larry (https://twitter.com/Number10cat/status/1131878837267120128). Has twelve years experience as the Chief Mouser to the Cabinet Office, which given we're almost at our third PM in three years is quite impressive. I think he's bound to do a better job negotiating with other world leaders and representing the United Kingdom than May.
Well it kind of has but May could still show some decorum. Boris I Trumps chum and will bring that alt right flavour to the head of the UK's political system
Old BJ's said that if he becomes PM, he's taking us out of the EU October 31st with or without a deal, which pretty much means without a deal unless the other parties in the house get their shit together (and given the self-serving ego that is Corbyn, that's unlikely) because only one deal has been negotiated and everyone agrees it's terrible (almost like leaving the EU makes us worse off), but the EU aren't going to make more concessions just because someone even dumber is in charge.
Best case scenario is Corbyn rallies remainers in the Tory camp to force a second referendum which... honestly that's the one thing that Johnson might be good for because even Corbyn would look at the phrase 'Prime Minister Boris Johnson' and start panicking, but I really wish I had more hope for that than I do now. The Tory base at the moment has basically alienated a lot of its normal supporters and dragged in the UKIP voters, and the registered members of the party are the ones in charge of voting in the leadership contest, so it doesn't matter if most of the country thinks he's a joke, those few are in charge of picking the PM and he's the favourite because he's stupid enough to want no deal.
The real joke is we've just had the chance to vote for our MEPs (representatives in the EU) via more democratic means than we actually get the rest of the time, despite the fact they're meant to be our unelected overlords. Meanwhile our actual parliament's had two unelected leaders in a row.
Current state of UK politics: I miss Theresa May. I really miss the guy that probably had sex with a dead pig. I can respect that guy more than our current prospects. Fun times.
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Boris is a Mop headed racist Eton Furby with the heart of a Borg, who will stab anybody in his way (in the back) to achieve power, and America, he owns duel citizenship being born in New York, he may want to combine Prime-minister with POTUS.
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Prime Minister Boris Johnson.
That is all.
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I don't know much about this guy. We have enough dumb ass "leaders" here to deal with.
What has this guy done that makes him such a bigot/moron?
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Question.
Will he make Trump look good in comparison?
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Question.
Will he make Trump look good in comparison?
Trump doesn't need any help looking good, he's doing pretty good for himself and the country.
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Will he make Trump look good in comparison?
I think they make each other look bad in comparison.
They make humans look bad, to be honest.
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Ladies and Gentlemen, may I present the Prime Minister of Great Britain... drum roll and fanfare please...
(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/f1bd765b41e5b80a688a5d53488e57d71fabf790/386_0_3184_1911/master/3184.jpg?width=620&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=64fcda5458a849aff35a3f587a02c9d3)
Nuff said.
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Ladies and Gentlemen, may I present the Prime Minister of Great Britain... drum roll and fanfare please...
(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/f1bd765b41e5b80a688a5d53488e57d71fabf790/386_0_3184_1911/master/3184.jpg?width=620&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=64fcda5458a849aff35a3f587a02c9d3)
Nuff said.
I am assuming that picture is a joke?
Also, no answer on why this guy is so horrible?
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I am assuming that picture is a joke?
Also, no answer on why this guy is so horrible?
Nope that picture is real. The guy is a clown and a compulsive liar. Britain has just hit a new low.
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I am assuming that picture is a joke?
Also, no answer on why this guy is so horrible?
Nope that picture is real. The guy is a clown and a compulsive liar. Britain has just hit a new low.
All I am hearing is opinions still.... Anyone gonna share why?
Though, I will say that picture does state a very strong case for being a clown.
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Ladies and Gentlemen, may I present the Prime Minister of Great Britain... drum roll and fanfare please...
(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/f1bd765b41e5b80a688a5d53488e57d71fabf790/386_0_3184_1911/master/3184.jpg?width=620&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=64fcda5458a849aff35a3f587a02c9d3)
Nuff said.
Dammnit!
He already looks more dignified than Trump.
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All I am hearing is opinions still.... Anyone gonna share why?
Off the top of my head, conspired to get a journalist beaten up, managed to fuck up a plea for Iran to release a british citizen so badly that he endorsed their (until that point baseless) accusation and nearly got her five more years in prison, a generous heap of typical Tory racism, spent several days on holiday while literal riots broke out in the place he was Mayor of, spent £43 million of public money on a vanity project ($53.6 million) that never materialised, and was at the forefront of the Leave campaign's lies to the public. (Like, that's not my disagreement, that's him making claims like Turkey being about to join the EU, not true because they've a) asked and been rejected multiple times and nothing about that was changing b) the UK could block them doing so, on top of the classic bus lie of pretending we send £350 million to the EU which is, just, not remotely true).
The Tory party at the moment is just a parade of "At least the next PM can't be worse than the current one," and being wrong every time.
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All I am hearing is opinions still.... Anyone gonna share why?
Off the top of my head, conspired to get a journalist beaten up, managed to fuck up a plea for Iran to release a british citizen so badly that he endorsed their (until that point baseless) accusation and nearly got her five more years in prison, a generous heap of typical Tory racism, spent several days on holiday while literal riots broke out in the place he was Mayor of, spent £43 million of public money on a vanity project ($53.6 million) that never materialised, and was at the forefront of the Leave campaign's lies to the public. (Like, that's not my disagreement, that's him making claims like Turkey being about to join the EU, not true because they've a) asked and been rejected multiple times and nothing about that was changing b) the UK could block them doing so, on top of the classic bus lie of pretending we send £350 million to the EU which is, just, not remotely true).
The Tory party at the moment is just a parade of "At least the next PM can't be worse than the current one," and being wrong every time.
I do remember hearing about the girl from Iran, but don't know the details.
He sounds like a moron if this is all true and not just finger pointing.
It makes me nervous though when you throw in there he is a general racist just like the rest of the conservative party. That general bullshit makes me tune out just like I do here when liberals run there mouth with lies.
Guess it's not only here then conservatives are evil racist ::)
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Guess it's not only here then conservatives are evil racist
Yup.
"It is said that the Queen has come to love the Commonwealth, partly because it supplies her with regular cheering crowds of flag-waving piccaninnies."
"The problem is not that we were once in charge, but that we are not in charge any more…the best fate for Africa would be if the old colonial powers, or their citizens, scrambled once again in her direction; on the understanding that this time they will not be asked to feel guilty.”
"They say he is shortly off to the Congo. No doubt the AK47s will fall silent, and the pangas will stop their hacking of human flesh, and the tribal warriors will all break out in watermelon smiles to see the big white chief touch down in his big white British taxpayer-funded bird."
Typically 'conservative' goes hand-in-hand with 'focus on tradition/history.' For countries based on slavery and colonialism, don't be surprised when that ends up racist. He's in power because he helped stoke anti-Europe xenophobia to the extent that the country ended up shooting itself in the foot and two separate PMs quit rather than try sorting out that mess. Be more concerned about the people being called racist rather than the ones calling them out.
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If you think that's stupid, wait and see how stupid it will be when he wins in the next elections.
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If you think that's stupid, wait and see how stupid it will be when he wins in the next elections.
Following Jane's algorithm, logically the next PM will be Nigel Farage. God help the UK.
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Good news everyone! Elvis is alive and in space!
My chances of being PM are about as good as the chances of finding Elvis on Mars - Boris Johnson
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LOL, this captures Trump and Boris perfectly.
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It's scary how seemless the Boris one is.
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Well, get to read a lot of whining now!
LMMFAO!
The commentary here is so far off base it defies imagination!
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Latest update!
Nigel Farage's old party, UKIP, now has a new leader called Dick Braine. Not a joke. Just his actual name.
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Latest update!
Nigel Farage's old party, UKIP, now has a new leader called Dick Braine. Not a joke. Just his actual name.
Your politicians are weird.
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Boris is a Mop headed racist Eton Furby with the heart of a Borg, who will stab anybody in his way (in the back) to achieve power, and America, he owns duel citizenship being born in New York, he may want to combine Prime-minister with POTUS.
He sounds like an icky poo dummy head.
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Your politicians are weird.
Your politicians turned your country into a Kmart.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-7383903/How-cannibalism-taboo-sets-humans-apart-rest-animal-kingdom.html
Is it time to drop the cannibalism taboo? Psychologists say eating members of the same species is natural and we could 'adapt to human flesh if need be'
Are the food shortages going to be that bad?
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It's not as if cannibalism Great Britain is a new idea.
A Modest Proposal
For Preventing The Children of Poor People in Ireland
From Being Aburden to Their Parents or Country, and
For Making Them Beneficial to The Public
By Jonathan Swift (1729)
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-7383903/How-cannibalism-taboo-sets-humans-apart-rest-animal-kingdom.html
Is it time to drop the cannibalism taboo? Psychologists say eating members of the same species is natural and we could 'adapt to human flesh if need be'
Are the food shortages going to be that bad?
I'm trying to imagine how it must have felt writing that article.
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The UK used to be looked upon with some semblance of class and intelligence.
Now you have Boris Johnson as your Prime Minister. How embarrassing for you guys.
Some people just like to sit back and watch the world burn. Boris is among those. He's probably rich enough and has enough perks as a politician to not give 2 shits how far England plunges into a recession or the economic pain that will impact millions. All because of some baseless xenophobia. Well done 'Vote Leavers' ::) ::)
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The UK used to be looked upon with some semblance of class and intelligence.
Now you have Boris Johnson as your Prime Minister. How embarrassing for you guys.
Some people just like to sit back and watch the world burn. Boris is among those. He's probably rich enough and has enough perks as a politician to not give 2 shits how far England plunges into a recession or the economic pain that will impact millions. All because of some baseless xenophobia. Well done 'Vote Leavers' ::) ::)
Do you understand 'you' were less than enough to win the last election, right?
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The UK used to be looked upon with some semblance of class and intelligence.
Now you have Boris Johnson as your Prime Minister. How embarrassing for you guys.
Some people just like to sit back and watch the world burn. Boris is among those. He's probably rich enough and has enough perks as a politician to not give 2 shits how far England plunges into a recession or the economic pain that will impact millions. All because of some baseless xenophobia. Well done 'Vote Leavers' ::) ::)
Do you understand 'you' were less than enough to win the last election, right?
That would depend on whether you're talking about the singular 'you' or the collective 'you'.
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The UK used to be looked upon with some semblance of class and intelligence.
Now you have Boris Johnson as your Prime Minister. How embarrassing for you guys.
Some people just like to sit back and watch the world burn. Boris is among those. He's probably rich enough and has enough perks as a politician to not give 2 shits how far England plunges into a recession or the economic pain that will impact millions. All because of some baseless xenophobia. Well done 'Vote Leavers' ::) ::)
Do you understand 'you' were less than enough to win the last election, right?
Boris Johnson has never won an election.
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The UK used to be looked upon with some semblance of class and intelligence.
Now you have Boris Johnson as your Prime Minister. How embarrassing for you guys.
Some people just like to sit back and watch the world burn. Boris is among those. He's probably rich enough and has enough perks as a politician to not give 2 shits how far England plunges into a recession or the economic pain that will impact millions. All because of some baseless xenophobia. Well done 'Vote Leavers' ::) ::)
Do you understand 'you' were less than enough to win the last election, right?
Boris Johnson has never won an election.
Not a public one. You voted for for the mob who thought him a top bloke to be England's PM though
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The UK used to be looked upon with some semblance of class and intelligence.
Now you have Boris Johnson as your Prime Minister. How embarrassing for you guys.
Some people just like to sit back and watch the world burn. Boris is among those. He's probably rich enough and has enough perks as a politician to not give 2 shits how far England plunges into a recession or the economic pain that will impact millions. All because of some baseless xenophobia. Well done 'Vote Leavers' ::) ::)
Do you understand 'you' were less than enough to win the last election, right?
Boris Johnson has never won an election.
Not a public one. You voted for for the mob who thought him a top bloke to be England's PM though
Well, I didn't. Anyway, this is what shameless Johnson had to say when Gordon Brown became Prime Minister under the same circumstances:
“It’s the arrogance. It’s the contempt. That’s what gets me. It’s Gordon Brown’s apparent belief that he can just trample on the democratic will of the British people. It’s at moments like this that I think the political world has gone mad, and I am alone in detecting the gigantic fraud.”
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“They voted for Anthony Charles Lynton Blair to serve as their leader. They were at no stage invited to vote on whether Gordon Brown should be PM… They voted for Tony, and yet they now get Gordon, and a transition about as democratically proper as the transition from Claudius to Nero. It is a scandal. Why are we all conniving in this stitch-up? This is nothing less than a palace coup… with North Korean servility, the Labour Party has handed power over to the brooding Scottish power-maniac.”
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“The extraordinary thing is that it looks as though he will now be in 10 Downing Street for three years, and without a mandate from the British people. No one elected Gordon Brown as Prime Minister…
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“Gordon Brown could appease public indignation over that, and secure the democratic mandate he needs, by asking the public to vote at once on him, on the new EU treaty, and on the implications of the devolutionary settlement. Let’s have an election without delay
Apparently, it's all fine now though. ::)
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The UK used to be looked upon with some semblance of class and intelligence.
Now you have Boris Johnson as your Prime Minister. How embarrassing for you guys.
Some people just like to sit back and watch the world burn. Boris is among those. He's probably rich enough and has enough perks as a politician to not give 2 shits how far England plunges into a recession or the economic pain that will impact millions. All because of some baseless xenophobia. Well done 'Vote Leavers' ::) ::)
Do you understand 'you' were less than enough to win the last election, right?
Boris Johnson has never won an election.
Not a public one. You voted for for the mob who thought him a top bloke to be England's PM though
Well, I didn't. Anyway, this is what shameless Johnson had to say when Gordon Brown became Prime Minister under the same circumstances:
“It’s the arrogance. It’s the contempt. That’s what gets me. It’s Gordon Brown’s apparent belief that he can just trample on the democratic will of the British people. It’s at moments like this that I think the political world has gone mad, and I am alone in detecting the gigantic fraud.”
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“They voted for Anthony Charles Lynton Blair to serve as their leader. They were at no stage invited to vote on whether Gordon Brown should be PM… They voted for Tony, and yet they now get Gordon, and a transition about as democratically proper as the transition from Claudius to Nero. It is a scandal. Why are we all conniving in this stitch-up? This is nothing less than a palace coup… with North Korean servility, the Labour Party has handed power over to the brooding Scottish power-maniac.”
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“The extraordinary thing is that it looks as though he will now be in 10 Downing Street for three years, and without a mandate from the British people. No one elected Gordon Brown as Prime Minister…
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“Gordon Brown could appease public indignation over that, and secure the democratic mandate he needs, by asking the public to vote at once on him, on the new EU treaty, and on the implications of the devolutionary settlement. Let’s have an election without delay
Apparently, it's all fine now though. ::)
Hahaha yeah, our PM's have said the same things before they took advantage of the system themselves.
It would have been cool to have that sound byte all over the mainstream. That's hilarious
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NPR: Queen Will Suspend U.K. Parliament At Boris Johnson's Request.
https://www.npr.org/2019/08/28/754990771/britains-prime-minister-asks-queen-to-suspend-parliament-ahead-of-brexit-deadlin?ft=nprml&f=1001
I admit that I don't know the intricacies of UK politics but what the hell? This looks very sleazy.
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Long story short:
This is basically a "Waste time so when you come back, I can get my No Deal Brexit and you won't have the time to stop me."
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Meh. If they haven't come up with a deal by now, what makes anyone think that they'd be able to come up with one in the next 2 months?
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NPR: Queen Will Suspend U.K. Parliament At Boris Johnson's Request.
https://www.npr.org/2019/08/28/754990771/britains-prime-minister-asks-queen-to-suspend-parliament-ahead-of-brexit-deadlin?ft=nprml&f=1001
I admit that I don't know the intricacies of UK politics but what the hell? This looks very sleazy.
It's not thaaaat uncommon in a lot of countries to suspend parliament, but it is kinda sleazy.
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He's suspended parliament because he knows there is a big risk of a no confidence motion going against him which could see him unable to command a majority and forced to resign. This suspension is purely for selfish power play and it should have no place in a democracy. But then, I guess democracy has been relegated to an illusion. A simple word to appease the masses
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Meh. If they haven't come up with a deal by now, what makes anyone think that they'd be able to come up with one in the next 2 months?
Absolute desparation.
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Meh. If they haven't come up with a deal by now, what makes anyone think that they'd be able to come up with one in the next 2 months?
Absolute desparation.
What is the point of 'debate' anyway.... Is any one actually going to listen and change their mind? Most of the time they are directed to vote a certain way anyway
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There's work to be done. They have to decide what a brexit would actually look like. I assume they'd prefer the version that doesn't plunge them into a depression which a no deal brexit is almost certain to do.
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Meh. If they haven't come up with a deal by now, what makes anyone think that they'd be able to come up with one in the next 2 months?
Absolute desparation.
What is the point of 'debate' anyway.... Is any one actually going to listen and change their mind? Most of the time they are directed to vote a certain way anyway
Yes and once that deadline hits, they will accept anything that isn't 'no deal'.
Also, this means its harder to have a vote of no confidence in Boris.
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There's work to be done. They have to decide what a brexit would actually look like.
Isn't that something that they should have figured out before having the people to vote on it?
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There's work to be done. They have to decide what a brexit would actually look like.
Isn't that something that they should have figured out before having the people to vote on it?
One would think.
America, it seems, does not have a monopoly on brain dead leadership.
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There's work to be done. They have to decide what a brexit would actually look like.
Isn't that something that they should have figured out before having the people to vote on it?
One would think.
America, it seems, does not have a monopoly on brain dead leadership.
Don't forget Australia, we have a few pretty good candidates for that category. Admittedly we are lagging behind Boris and Donald but we are trying.
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There's work to be done. They have to decide what a brexit would actually look like.
Isn't that something that they should have figured out before having the people to vote on it?
One would think.
America, it seems, does not have a monopoly on brain dead leadership.
Don't forget Australia, we have a few pretty good candidates for that category. Admittedly we are lagging behind Boris and Donald but we are trying.
It's not a contest. Or is it?
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There's work to be done. They have to decide what a brexit would actually look like.
Isn't that something that they should have figured out before having the people to vote on it?
One would think.
America, it seems, does not have a monopoly on brain dead leadership.
Don't forget Australia, we have a few pretty good candidates for that category. Admittedly we are lagging behind Boris and Donald but we are trying.
It's not a contest. Or is it?
I think Jair Bolsonaro is winning so far, although Trump is not far behind. Being brain dead seems to be a prime qualification for politicians.
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Bolsonaro is a legit fascist, the sole reason he hasn't done a junta yet is because he doesn't have a sufficient part of the army on his side. No kidding, Bolsonaro is not a fascist in the same sense people call, say, Trump a fascist. The guy has openly praised the military junta of Brazil, and his VP was a general under that junta. He also said the bad thing about the junta is that they tortured instead of killing and that the only way to go forward as a country is to kill thousands of leftists. Like, these are things he's said publicly in the past.
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Bolsonaro is a legit fascist, the sole reason he hasn't done a junta yet is because he doesn't have a sufficient part of the army on his side. No kidding, Bolsonaro is not a fascist in the same sense people call, say, Trump a fascist. The guy has openly praised the military junta of Brazil, and his VP was a general under that junta. He also said the bad thing about the junta is that they tortured instead of killing and that the only way to go forward as a country is to kill thousands of leftists. Like, these are things he's said publicly in the past.
They are all disgusting people. It's like a race to the bottom of the barrel is a good thing. And then a contest as to who can break it and sink even lower.
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https://www.npr.org/2019/09/03/757084924/boris-johnsons-brexit-plans-hit-turbulence-after-conservative-defection
So if the PM doesn't like the way the government is voting he can just force another election? This seems like a very weird system of government.
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https://www.npr.org/2019/09/03/757084924/boris-johnsons-brexit-plans-hit-turbulence-after-conservative-defection
So if the PM doesn't like the way the government is voting he can just force another election? This seems like a very weird system of government.
It's actually surprising to think that people would vote for this goon
It's more surprising that the people who voted for Brexit aren't pissed off that they were manipulated with lies about it (now that the whole Facebook misusing data and Cambridge Analytica scandal has been mainstream news) are actually in full support of it still even to the point of this 'hard brexit' which will do nothing but put shit loads of people out of work, worse off economically and the country plunge into a recession. There is not a single positive attribute to 'brexit'. It's odd that the politicians simply don't scrap it. The referendum should be declared null and void given that people were lied to and manipulated. I get that happens with every election to a certain extent but this is far bigger and the politicians have a choice. It's a slow motion train wreck in the making and no one wants to stop it.
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https://www.npr.org/2019/09/03/757084924/boris-johnsons-brexit-plans-hit-turbulence-after-conservative-defection
So if the PM doesn't like the way the government is voting he can just force another election? This seems like a very weird system of government.
The last time the Tories did it, they lost seats. It's not an instant win button, but it can help clear roadblocks. The UK's system isn't like the US's where the President's elected separately to party, the PM is just the leader of whichever party controls the House, so being able to shuffle that up is potentially beneficial.
That being said there is a worry that Boris at the helm will inexplicably get them votes from the people that just see him as amusing.
It's odd that the politicians simply don't scrap it.
They're the ones with hedge funds abroad that're poised to do better. They aren't doing this because they care about the people.
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https://www.npr.org/2019/09/03/757084924/boris-johnsons-brexit-plans-hit-turbulence-after-conservative-defection
So if the PM doesn't like the way the government is voting he can just force another election? This seems like a very weird system of government.
That's the norm in a lot of countries and it's not that weird. If even the government itself doesn't like how things are going and wants out, it's probably best not to force them to continue, for everyone's sake.
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Ahh. I see the problem. All of your lawmakers are drunk.
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This seems like a turning point in the Brexit story.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49810261?ns_campaign=bbcnews&ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=facebook&ocid=socialflow_facebook
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Borus - the very definition of dunning kruger.
Haha
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Borus - the very definition of dunning kruger.
Haha
That would mean the person thinks they are intelligent....I don't even think he believes that lol
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Borus - the very definition of dunning kruger.
Haha
That would mean the person thinks they are intelligent....I don't even think he believes that lol
I meant he thought gerting a brexit deal would be easy.
Haha
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Putin's role in Brexit?
https://twitter.com/Billbrowder/status/1189914580698501121
We need to find a Natasha to go with Boris. LOL, Maybe Bullwinkle can help.
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Scary stuff.
https://twitter.com/jason_kint/status/1192653576650264577
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Borus - the very definition of dunning kruger.
Haha
That would mean the person thinks they are intelligent....I don't even think he believes that lol
I meant he thought gerting a brexit deal would be easy.
Haha
All the shit he gave Theresa May.... lol. And then he comes up with a deal that some say is even crappier than hers was.
Why are 'Brexiteers' scared of a referendum now that the truth and more information is out there?
Why do they want to willingly play into the hands of Russia? Why do they not care that so many votes were based on lies and abuse of their data (eg Cambridge Analytica).
There should be truth in election/referendum advertisements. Something Facebook is reluctant to help out with. The entire referendum was a sham - and there wasn't even an agreement to what the hell Brexit even meant anyway. Run it again and use truth. None of those bullshit ads about costing millions of pounds a week to be in the euro or that Turkish citizens will flood the UK or other nonsense.
https://brexitlies.com/
Should the fate of the country really be in the hands of misinformed, xenophobic twats or foreign interference?
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Yeah, I think that if the people understood how hard it would be to leave the EU (especially the Northern Ireland situation), then they might have voted differently. Then again, I'm American, so my opinion probably doesn't count for much.
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They should have just done what our government did and ignore the referendum while pretending they didn't lol.
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Should the fate of the country really be in the hands of misinformed, xenophobic twats or foreign interference?
I dont agree with you so does that mean you are a racist ::)
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Should the fate of the country really be in the hands of misinformed, xenophobic twats or foreign interference?
I dont agree with you so does that mean you are a racist ::)
You dont agree with my question?
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Should the fate of the country really be in the hands of misinformed, xenophobic twats or foreign interference?
I dont agree with you so does that mean you are a racist ::)
You dont agree with my question?
Stand alone no, in context yes
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First Dog on the moon, always good for a dose of what's good for ya!
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/03/you-know-youre-not-legally-required-to-like-jeremy-corbyn-in-order-to-vote-for-him-right
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First Dog on the moon, always good for a dose of what's good for ya!
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/03/you-know-youre-not-legally-required-to-like-jeremy-corbyn-in-order-to-vote-for-him-right
Nice one
And yep. I'd love a Jeremy Corbyn for Prime Minster here. At least he has character. Our current one is just a lying scum bag full of weasel words.
Oh! Your house burned down! A whole town burned down! Now is not the time to talk about the climate. Let me offer you my thoughts and prayers! ??? ::)
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CNN: Boris Johnson on course for huge win in UK election, exit poll suggests.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/12/uk/uk-election-results-2019-ge19-intl-gbr/index.html
Well the people have spoken.
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It's all Owen Jones fault, oh and that lady carrying the sign saying she'd give blowjobs for socialism.
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CNN: Boris Johnson on course for huge win in UK election, exit poll suggests.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/12/uk/uk-election-results-2019-ge19-intl-gbr/index.html
Well the people have spoken.
They learned nothing from Brexit and voted a man who hides in a fucking fridge over someone else.
If I didn't have friends in the UK, I'd hope they all rot in their private health care hell.
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CNN: Boris Johnson on course for huge win in UK election, exit poll suggests.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/12/uk/uk-election-results-2019-ge19-intl-gbr/index.html
Well the people have spoken.
They learned nothing from Brexit and voted a man who hides in a fucking fridge over someone else.
If I didn't have friends in the UK, I'd hope they all rot in their private health care hell.
The first brexit vote sort of bothered me. I felt as though it was poorly informed. But there's been so much noise about it over the past few years that if the UK wants to stab itself in the face then go with God I guess. There isn't much to be done about a country that really wants to thrust itself into a depression.
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CNN: Boris Johnson on course for huge win in UK election, exit poll suggests.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/12/uk/uk-election-results-2019-ge19-intl-gbr/index.html
Well the people have spoken.
They learned nothing from Brexit and voted a man who hides in a fucking fridge over someone else.
If I didn't have friends in the UK, I'd hope they all rot in their private health care hell.
The first brexit vote sort of bothered me. I felt as though it was poorly informed. But there's been so much noise about it over the past few years that if the UK wants to stab itself in the face then go with God I guess. There isn't much to be done about a country that really wants to thrust itself into a depression.
Nope. Then they'll all whine and cry when things go badly and blame labour like a bunch if asshats.
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Before I'm like - The whole Brexit thing was built on a lie, it would be sad to see the people suffer undue hardship because of it
Now after a few years with polticians who should kn ow better creaming their pants at the idea of it and given the result the public has given to this mop head muppet of a PM I have the popcorn in hand watching this slow motion train wreck 8)
What a bunch of numpties
Oh well. It's what they asked for. Let them have it
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Oh well. It's what they asked for. Let them have it
Well, half of us anyway.
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Oh well. It's what they asked for. Let them have it
Well, half of us anyway.
Speaking from Australias experience, a landslide result is never a good result. It allows the government of the day to ram in anything they like through parliament and also gives them a heightened sense of arrogance and to lose touch with the general public
Hung parliaments at least hold them accountable a lot easier and require them to make amendments or negotiate a better legislation that is fairer for all the public. If you win the election by a factor of 1% then there are still half the country who dont go along with your vision and still need to be recognized. You should govern for all and not just your core supporters.
The only problem is when you get parties in opposition that use it to try and score political points by opposing for opposing sake.
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Hey listen, I was against this shit show from day one, I have seen friends and family fall for the Corby is the devils son routine and frankly we do deserve to be ridiculed and then sunk.
Oh England, oh ancient warrior race how are your cyclamen doing.
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https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019/12/12/british-voters-are-terrified-us-companies-privatizing-nhs-they-should-be
Oh wow I didn't know about this angle. Apparently as a bonus you brits are about to get our amazing health care system. You know, the one where if you're not insured then you just declare bankruptcy every time you need an emergency room visit.
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Oh well. It's what they asked for. Let them have it
Well, half of us anyway.
Speaking from Australias experience, a landslide result is never a good result. It allows the government of the day to ram in anything they like through parliament and also gives them a heightened sense of arrogance and to lose touch with the general public
Hung parliaments at least hold them accountable a lot easier and require them to make amendments or negotiate a better legislation that is fairer for all the public. If you win the election by a factor of 1% then there are still half the country who dont go along with your vision and still need to be recognized. You should govern for all and not just your core supporters.
Well, the Tories got 43% of the vote, so not even a majority of voters. However in our system this becomes a "landslide" with a massive house majority, giving the prime minister enormous powers. Much more than in most systems, including the USA. We don't have the "checks and balances" or an explicit consitution, meaning he can pretty much do what he likes for 5 years.
Back in the day the cabinet members used to be big players themselves and could often stand up to the PM - now they are a bunch of no-marks who nobody could pick out on a line up. So the PM is Supreme Leader for 5 years.
Ugh.
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Oh well. It's what they asked for. Let them have it
Well, half of us anyway.
Speaking from Australias experience, a landslide result is never a good result. It allows the government of the day to ram in anything they like through parliament and also gives them a heightened sense of arrogance and to lose touch with the general public
Hung parliaments at least hold them accountable a lot easier and require them to make amendments or negotiate a better legislation that is fairer for all the public. If you win the election by a factor of 1% then there are still half the country who dont go along with your vision and still need to be recognized. You should govern for all and not just your core supporters.
Well, the Tories got 43% of the vote, so not even a majority of voters. However in our system this becomes a "landslide" with a massive house majority, giving the prime minister enormous powers. Much more than in most systems, including the USA. We don't have the "checks and balances" or an explicit consitution, meaning he can pretty much do what he likes for 5 years.
Back in the day the cabinet members used to be big players themselves and could often stand up to the PM - now they are a bunch of no-marks who nobody could pick out on a line up. So the PM is Supreme Leader for 5 years.
Ugh.
Yay
Worryingly these idiots are the best we can produce to lead us, whole thing is a shambles
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So the PM is Supreme Leader for 5 years.
When is the last time a PM lasted for 5 years?
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So the PM is Supreme Leader for 5 years.
When is the last time a PM lasted for 5 years?
The last time they had a massive house majority.
In fact Cameron lasted 6 years without a party majority for 5 of those - then threw it all away with the referendum.
There is nothing that can realistically dethrone Johnson until the next general election in 2024. Despite what recent events might make you think, it's pretty unusual for British PMs not to serve a full term.
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So the PM is Supreme Leader for 5 years.
When is the last time a PM lasted for 5 years?
The last time they had a massive house majority.
In fact Cameron lasted 6 years without a party majority for 5 of those - then threw it all away with the referendum.
There is nothing that can realistically dethrone Johnson until the next general election in 2024. Despite what recent events might make you think, it's pretty unusual for British PMs not to serve a full term.
Goodbye NHS.
Goodbye Economy.
Goodbye Jobs.
Hello American made everything at a premium price.
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Don't worry, most of our stuff comes from China!
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Don't worry, most of our stuff comes from China!
Which we will happily resell at a premium markup. ;D
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So, we're all going to die again?
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So, we're all going to die again?
Some might sooner than their time if they wish to adopt the crappy American health care model.
As for the Brexit thing itself, I'm waiting with the popcorn for all the whingers who now complain they cant freely live or even holiday inside the euro. Honestly why would anyone want to give that up? Nearly half the world was their oyster
I can see Scotland wanting to break away from the UK too. Cant blame them given none of them wanted to leave. Going to grab another bag of popcorn for that! 8)
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I know, change is scary.
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I know, change is scary.
Sometimes, it's also stupid and unnecessary. If something aint broke, dont try to fix it.
Well I guess they will find out. The rest of us can sit back and enjoy the shitshow
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I know, change is scary.
Like suddenly not being about to get life saving insulin because it costs too much money.
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I know, change is scary.
Like suddenly not being about to get life saving insulin because it costs too much money.
That is dreadful. >:(
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I know, change is scary.
Like suddenly not being about to get life saving insulin because it costs too much money.
And mandatory organ sharing. ::)
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So, we're all going to die again?
Yes, a bunch of people are literally going to die when they can't afford healthcare any more. Yes, that's a thing that happens. Yes, politics have consequences.
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I know, change is scary.
Like suddenly not being about to get life saving insulin because it costs too much money.
And mandatory organ sharing. ::)
Sounds like you understand the NFS pretty well.
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From my very limited outsider's perspective, Brexit seems very American to me.
Y'all don't like being a part of the EU, paying taxes to them, yadda. So y'all want to leave. And y'all are fortunate enough to be able to leave democratically and peacefully. We had to fight for our independence and pretty much invent Western democracy on the fly, y'all. (Y'all Count: Four.)
Anyways, I'll excuse my very ignorant American ass out of the conversation. Good luck with your big Cabbage Patch Kid PM, or whatever he is.
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From my very limited outsider's perspective, Brexit seems very American to me.
Y'all don't like being a part of the EU, paying taxes to them, yadda. So y'all want to leave. And y'all are fortunate enough to be able to leave democratically and peacefully. We had to fight for our independence and pretty much invent Western democracy on the fly, y'all. (Y'all Count: Four.)
Anyways, I'll excuse my very ignorant American ass out of the conversation. Good luck with your big Cabbage Patch Kid PM, or whatever he is.
Uh....did you seriously just make fun of another nation's leader?
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From my very limited outsider's perspective, Brexit seems very American to me.
Y'all don't like being a part of the EU, paying taxes to them, yadda. So y'all want to leave. And y'all are fortunate enough to be able to leave democratically and peacefully. We had to fight for our independence and pretty much invent Western democracy on the fly, y'all. (Y'all Count: Four.)
Anyways, I'll excuse my very ignorant American ass out of the conversation. Good luck with your big Cabbage Patch Kid PM, or whatever he is.
Uh....did you seriously just make fun of another nation's leader?
To be fair Boris makes it easy ;)
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(https://i.imgur.com/967L8WL.jpg)
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From my very limited outsider's perspective, Brexit seems very American to me.
Y'all don't like being a part of the EU, paying taxes to them, yadda. So y'all want to leave. And y'all are fortunate enough to be able to leave democratically and peacefully. We had to fight for our independence and pretty much invent Western democracy on the fly, y'all. (Y'all Count: Four.)
Anyways, I'll excuse my very ignorant American ass out of the conversation. Good luck with your big Cabbage Patch Kid PM, or whatever he is.
Uh....did you seriously just make fun of another nation's leader?
To be fair Boris makes it easy ;)
So does trump.
Haha
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Y'all been laughing at us for a few years, now it's our turn to laugh.
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Y'all been laughing at us for a few years, now it's our turn to laugh.
Yeah but we haven't got a two party system and no proportional representation...
...oh wait :-[
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Good luck with that Irish border thing.
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And Scotland!
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And Scotland!
And the North, Cornwall etc etc
United Kingdom?
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And Scotland!
And the North, Cornwall etc etc
United Kingdom?
Broken Kingdom
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:'( :'( :'(
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And Scotland!
And the North, Cornwall etc etc
United Kingdom?
Broken Kingdom
Meh I'm a republican
Not that kind of Republican
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If a majority sez, "Hold my beer and watch this . . ."
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(https://i.imgflip.com/36b4cj.jpg)
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Hahahahaha
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These next few months are gonna be weird...
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These next few months are gonna be weird...
To repeat his mantra, hope he 'Gets Brexit Done'
If nothing else I'm sure politicians have other things to do like run a country etc
Interesting/scary times
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The truth slowly emerges...
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-53484344
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Since we’ve all been giving Americans a hard time over Trump I thought it fair to turn the spotlight back to another country vying for the title of “most dysfunctional government”.
For those not paying attention (apparently including half the UK population) after May’s deal with the EU was voted down in parliament (slow clap, Labour) and she was forced out, Johnson requested a new deal with a different arrangement for N Ireland.
We then had a snap election with the sole purpose of resolving the deadlock end of last year. The only issue that mattered was choosing between Johnson’s “amazing” and “oven ready” deal and Labour (probably in a coalition) renegotiating another deal and putting that to the public in another referendum.
Amusingly, even Johnson and the Tories had given up on pretending Brexit would be in any way beneficial to the public. The message was “get Brexit done” (because everyone is sick of hearing about it).
This week we hear that the Tories want to unilaterally ignore terms of the treaty that Johnson signed on behalf of the country, breaking international law and potentially jeopardising the Good Friday Agreement (which ended the sectarian violence in N Ireland).
It’s also emerged that Cummings (the unelected moron really calling the shots) told Brexiter MPs they didn’t need to bother reading the withdrawal agreement before voting on it, because they would change it later.
So the whole basis of the last election was a complete sham and they knew it, we’re about to break international law by jeopardising a treaty that brought peace not to a foreign country but to part of the UK, we’ve soured relations even more with our closest allies, and we’re further than ever from the trade deal that needs to be in place by the end of the year, without which all hell will break loose.
What absolute shower of shit these incompetent wankers are.
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What absolute shower of shit these incompetent wankers are.
That just about sums up the entire British establishment at the moment.
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Interesting/scary times
Not if you have balls.
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Since we’ve all been giving Americans a hard time over Trump I thought it fair to turn the spotlight back to another country vying for the title of “most dysfunctional government”.
For those not paying attention (apparently including half the UK population) after May’s deal with the EU was voted down in parliament (slow clap, Labour) and she was forced out, Johnson requested a new deal with a different arrangement for N Ireland.
We then had a snap election with the sole purpose of resolving the deadlock end of last year. The only issue that mattered was choosing between Johnson’s “amazing” and “oven ready” deal and Labour (probably in a coalition) renegotiating another deal and putting that to the public in another referendum.
Amusingly, even Johnson and the Tories had given up on pretending Brexit would be in any way beneficial to the public. The message was “get Brexit done” (because everyone is sick of hearing about it).
This week we hear that the Tories want to unilaterally ignore terms of the treaty that Johnson signed on behalf of the country, breaking international law and potentially jeopardising the Good Friday Agreement (which ended the sectarian violence in N Ireland).
It’s also emerged that Cummings (the unelected moron really calling the shots) told Brexiter MPs they didn’t need to bother reading the withdrawal agreement before voting on it, because they would change it later.
So the whole basis of the last election was a complete sham and they knew it, we’re about to break international law by jeopardising a treaty that brought peace not to a foreign country but to part of the UK, we’ve soured relations even more with our closest allies, and we’re further than ever from the trade deal that needs to be in place by the end of the year, without which all hell will break loose.
What absolute shower of shit these incompetent wankers are.
Just my opinion as an outsider to all of this. It sounds like Trump's promise to build the wall. This brexit arrangement sounds silly and unworkable. England gains nothing and risks a deep recession. It also seems likely that this would cause Scotland and Ireland to vote to leave the UK and join the EU.
I suspect that they'll probably just draw it out and water it down until it effectively disappears.
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Just my opinion as an outsider to all of this. It sounds like Trump's promise to build the wall. This brexit arrangement sounds silly and unworkable. England gains nothing and risks a deep recession. It also seems likely that this would cause Scotland and Ireland to vote to leave the UK and join the EU.
I suspect that they'll probably just draw it out and water it down until it effectively disappears.
Unfortunately not, because Brexit has already happened. The UK left the EU at the end of January, when Johnson signed the withdrawal agreement (the one the Tories now say is no good).
We have given up our seat on the European Council, our MEPs have left the European Parliament (many wont be missed), we have no Commissioners and no judges in the European Court of Justice. All UK representation in the EU has been recalled. They will now make decisions without our input.
What remains is trying to find some kind of future agreement to partly replace everything we’ve thrown away. We’re currently in a transition period where all the current rules stay the same. This was supposed to be to give them time to put at least a rudimentary free trade agreement in place before a tonne of customs, tariff and regulatory barriers slam down on all the businesses who trade with Europe and vice versa.
That was originally meant to be 2 years, but the Tories stupidly insisted on making it the end of this year. They then had the option to get an extension during the height of the first wave of Coronavirus crisis (because everyone had enough to deal with) which they even more stupidly turned down. All in the name “GeT bReXit DoNe!”.
The government is telling businesses to “get ready for Brexit”, but no one has any idea what to prepare for, and they’re too busy trying to stay afloat in the immediate crisis anyway.
No deal is hardly an option, because of the damage that any kind of border in Ireland would do to the Good Friday Agreement (which is regarded by the UN as a model example of international dispute settlements). As well the damage to communities in N Ireland (which is part of the fucking UK!), it would flush what’s left of our international reputation down the toilet.
It’s an absolute disaster.
PS. You meant Northern Ireland, right?