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Re: Brexit
« Reply #360 on: May 15, 2019, 05:56:18 AM »
This is what happens when people are allowed to vote.

Nope, that's what happens when you allow lies to go unchallenged.

Are you suggesting that some people were not allowed to share their thoughts and opinions?
The fate of a country should not be dependent on an illegally funded organisation convincing people to vote based on objective untruths.

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #361 on: May 15, 2019, 05:56:25 AM »
This is what happens when people are allowed to vote.

Nope, that's what happens when you allow lies to go unchallenged.

Are you suggesting that some people were not allowed to share their thoughts and opinions?

Not thoughts and opinions, just lies intended to deceive.

https://metro.co.uk/2019/05/14/case-boris-johnson-brexit-lies-will-public-hearing-eu-election-day-9540055/

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #362 on: May 15, 2019, 06:26:33 AM »
This is what happens when people are allowed to vote.

Nope, that's what happens when you allow lies to go unchallenged.

Are you suggesting that some people were not allowed to share their thoughts and opinions?

Not thoughts and opinions, just lies intended to deceive.

https://metro.co.uk/2019/05/14/case-boris-johnson-brexit-lies-will-public-hearing-eu-election-day-9540055/

Yep, thoughts and opinions . . .

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« Reply #363 on: May 15, 2019, 07:13:20 PM »
I wonder if the Brexit Party really has much support as they pretend?

https://twitter.com/jdg68/status/1128739933240344577

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #364 on: May 15, 2019, 07:35:51 PM »

I wonder if the Brexit Party really has much support as they pretend?


Do you think there should be re-votes until you like the outcome?
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #365 on: May 15, 2019, 07:40:41 PM »

I wonder if the Brexit Party really has much support as they pretend?


Do you think there should be re-votes until you like the outcome?

You are talking about a second referendum,  I'm referring to next weeks European Elections.   Try to keep up.
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #366 on: May 15, 2019, 08:11:57 PM »

Try to keep up.

I'll just read your links and believe the opposite.   ;D
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« Reply #369 on: May 15, 2019, 11:24:50 PM »
Worth a watch.

https://www.ted.com/talks/carole_cadwalladr_facebook_s_role_in_brexit_and_the_threat_to_democracy/up-next?language=en#t-201312

Vote Leave was based on lies and many aspects of the campaign were illegal

There needs to be transparency, truth and accountability for online advertising.



How many votes for 'leave' were placed based on sheer lies and disinformation?



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Re: Brexit
« Reply #370 on: May 15, 2019, 11:38:51 PM »

Vote Leave was based on lies

Lies or opinions?



many aspects of the campaign were illegal

Which aspects?

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« Reply #371 on: May 16, 2019, 01:14:56 AM »

Vote Leave was based on lies

Lies or opinions?



many aspects of the campaign were illegal

Which aspects?

It was a complete lie for example that there were plans for Turkey to join the EU. Yet Facebook was flooded was disinformation like this designed to scare people to vote 'leave'. This was not some 'opinion'. It was a deliberate falsehood known by its author and then circulated to scare people to voting a particular way. It's not honourable or honest. Brexit won't make the UK stronger. Or richer. Or safer. Those are facts.

As for legality, Brexit spent more than was allowed with funds with dubious origin. It's no secret Farage and his pals are being investigated for corruption and money laundering

www.independent.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fuk%2Fpolitics%2Fvote-leave-campaign-eu-referendum-spending-limits-brexit-beleave-boris-johnson-a8430191.html&psig=AOvVaw0_5nPiWBK1XlAQH3nSdSaH&ust=1558079529567640


Sad when people read dumb memes or political crap online and think it's the God given truth.... Divide and conquer is such a good strategy to weaken your enemy. Which country gets to benefit with a weakened UK and Euro?

These vote leave suckers could well have been trusting all their disinformation that was made up by foreign entities to screw with them. And they call themselves patriots? They are fools

Imagine if there could only be truth in political advertising and that every ad had transparency and accountability. Any Joe Bloggs can start a Facebook group and make shitty memes to go viral.

Also an opinion is your honest feeling on a matter. It is not fact or even relevant in politics. The lies that were deliberately spread were not opinions. Some of their authors may well have not even been UK citizens.

Perhaps people of the UK should not have their future decided by some dumb memes


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« Reply #372 on: May 16, 2019, 01:20:22 AM »

Vote Leave was based on lies

Lies or opinions?



many aspects of the campaign were illegal

Which aspects?

It was a complete lie for example that there were plans for Turkey to join the EU. Yet Facebook was flooded was disinformation like this designed to scare people to vote 'leave'. This was not some 'opinion'. It was a deliberate falsehood known by its author and then circulated to scare people to voting a particular way. It's not honourable or honest. Brexit won't make the UK stronger. Or richer. Or safer. Those are facts.

As for legality, Brexit spent more than was allowed with funds with dubious origin. It's no secret Farage and his pals are being investigated for corruption and money laundering

www.independent.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fuk%2Fpolitics%2Fvote-leave-campaign-eu-referendum-spending-limits-brexit-beleave-boris-johnson-a8430191.html&psig=AOvVaw0_5nPiWBK1XlAQH3nSdSaH&ust=1558079529567640


Sad when people read dumb memes or political crap online and think it's the God given truth.... Divide and conquer is such a good strategy to weaken your enemy. Which country gets to benefit with a weakened UK and Euro?

These vote leave suckers could well have been trusting all their disinformation that was made up by foreign entities to screw with them. And they call themselves patriots? They are fools

Imagine if there could only be truth in political advertising and that every ad had transparency and accountability. Any Joe Bloggs can start a Facebook group and make shitty memes to go viral.

Also an opinion is your honest feeling on a matter. It is not fact or even relevant in politics. The lies that were deliberately spread were not opinions. Some of their authors may well have not even been UK citizens.

Perhaps people of the UK should not have their future decided by some dumb memes

Bullwinkle doesn't understand the difference between opinion,  fact and evidence. 

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #373 on: May 16, 2019, 02:20:10 AM »
Do you think there should be re-votes until you like the outcome?
Leaving aside the fact it was a) ludicrously close given how many people didn't vote, b) the many reports of protest votes from people who never expected it to happen, c) the people who voted based on lies, d) the fact the leave campaign literally broke electoral law, e) the fact this was not and was never actually a binding referendum, f) the fact basically every poll taken since then indicates people want to stay, g) the fact Farage said he'd campaign for a revote if he lost by as narrow a margin as he won by...
You're still stuck with the question of what people voted for because there's more than one kind of brexit. That's kinda why this has taken so long. There are the people clamouring for a no deal brexit which the vast majority of the country is against, there are people that want a customs union, there's May's deal which barely anyone wants... Staying in the EU is pretty much unavoidably the majority opinion. The only reason it didn't get the majority of votes is because the referendum wasn't meant to be binding and so it didn't need to list the actual options.

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« Reply #374 on: May 16, 2019, 03:16:25 AM »
The quite brilliant Stewart Lee on Brexit....




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« Reply #375 on: May 16, 2019, 04:14:36 AM »

I wonder if the Brexit Party really has much support as they pretend?


Do you think there should be re-votes until you like the outcome?
Do you think democracy should only happen once?
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #376 on: May 16, 2019, 06:51:35 AM »

Vote Leave was based on lies

Lies or opinions?



many aspects of the campaign were illegal

Which aspects?

It was a complete lie for example that there were plans for Turkey to join the EU. Yet Facebook was flooded was disinformation like this designed to scare people to vote 'leave'. This was not some 'opinion'. It was a deliberate falsehood known by its author and then circulated to scare people to voting a particular way. It's not honourable or honest. Brexit won't make the UK stronger. Or richer. Or safer. Those are facts.

As for legality, Brexit spent more than was allowed with funds with dubious origin. It's no secret Farage and his pals are being investigated for corruption and money laundering

www.independent.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fuk%2Fpolitics%2Fvote-leave-campaign-eu-referendum-spending-limits-brexit-beleave-boris-johnson-a8430191.html&psig=AOvVaw0_5nPiWBK1XlAQH3nSdSaH&ust=1558079529567640


Sad when people read dumb memes or political crap online and think it's the God given truth.... Divide and conquer is such a good strategy to weaken your enemy. Which country gets to benefit with a weakened UK and Euro?

These vote leave suckers could well have been trusting all their disinformation that was made up by foreign entities to screw with them. And they call themselves patriots? They are fools

Imagine if there could only be truth in political advertising and that every ad had transparency and accountability. Any Joe Bloggs can start a Facebook group and make shitty memes to go viral.

Also an opinion is your honest feeling on a matter. It is not fact or even relevant in politics. The lies that were deliberately spread were not opinions. Some of their authors may well have not even been UK citizens.

Perhaps people of the UK should not have their future decided by some dumb memes

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #377 on: May 16, 2019, 12:54:54 PM »
b) the many reports of protest votes from people who never expected it to happen
Hopefully this will teach people to not be dumb in the future.
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« Reply #378 on: May 16, 2019, 06:30:52 PM »
b) the many reports of protest votes from people who never expected it to happen
Hopefully this will teach people to not be dumb in the future.

Probably.   ;)
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #379 on: May 20, 2019, 07:08:29 AM »
So Nigel Frogface is taking foreign money.   What a surprise.

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1130441525052284934

Anyway,  what's the deal with throwing milkshakes at people?   Some new kind of weird lactose intolerant protest?
« Last Edit: May 20, 2019, 07:10:16 AM by JerkFace »
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #380 on: May 20, 2019, 07:32:30 AM »
Anyway,  what's the deal with throwing milkshakes at people?   Some new kind of weird lactose intolerant protest?
Ιt's fucking awesome. It started when some far right EP candidate was pestering some dude from Asia, and the dude got pissed and threw his milkshake all over him. It was caught on camera and now everyone is throwing milkshakes at alt right campaigners.
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #381 on: May 20, 2019, 07:33:56 AM »
You can't throw milkshakes at Trump. He'll just palm them and drink them.
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #382 on: May 20, 2019, 10:19:13 AM »
You can't throw milkshakes at Trump. He'll just palm them and drink them.
You can try!
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #383 on: May 20, 2019, 11:42:41 AM »


The content of the video isn't very interesting. The setting sort of is. The British seem a lot more polite in this sort of a situation than we are. In the US this would only end in pepper spray.

Also there's where Milo has been hiding.
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #384 on: May 20, 2019, 12:13:25 PM »


The content of the video isn't very interesting. The setting sort of is. The British seem a lot more polite in this sort of a situation than we are. In the US this would only end in pepper spray.

Also there's where Milo has been hiding.
Not enough milkshakes, 1/10.
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #385 on: May 20, 2019, 12:17:09 PM »
Dude literally compared getting milkshaked for being a shitbag to getting raped for wearing a short skirt. Wow.

Anyways this whole thing proved that milkshaking is the way to go with these people.
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #386 on: May 20, 2019, 07:50:15 PM »
Dude literally compared getting milkshaked for being a shitbag to getting raped for wearing a short skirt. Wow.

Anyways this whole thing proved that milkshaking is the way to go with these people.

Police apparently asked McDonalds to stop serving milkshakes when Tommy Robinson was in town.  LOL

https://au.news.yahoo.com/mcdonalds-stops-selling-milkshakes-after-theyre-thrown-at-tommy-robinson-073150278.html
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #387 on: May 20, 2019, 08:00:52 PM »
Dude literally compared getting milkshaked for being a shitbag to getting raped for wearing a short skirt. Wow.

Anyways this whole thing proved that milkshaking is the way to go with these people.

So, physical assault is the proper way for an adult to express their disagreement?
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #388 on: May 20, 2019, 08:37:35 PM »
So, physical assault is the proper way for an adult to express their disagreement?

Sure, that is if you regard getting a free chocolate malt as a form of physical assault. 

Seems to trigger the snowflakes on the alt-right.   How can that be a bad thing. :)
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #389 on: May 20, 2019, 08:51:04 PM »
So, physical assault is the proper way for an adult to express their disagreement?

Sure, that is if you regard getting a free chocolate malt as a form of physical assault. 

Seems to trigger the snowflakes on the alt-right.   How can that be a bad thing. :)

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