Brexit

So far JerkFace has posted an article where one academic said that maybe Putin had a decisive influence on the US elections, a statement by the dni which says that he tried to, and an opinion piece that says there was collusion for Brexit, all the while ignoring that Russia is not the only one doing this, that there were far more important influences coming from inside the country, and painting Putin as some omnipotent being. The whole "Putin did it" meme is used so that people can explain away their incompetence and shortcomings and to ignore much more serious underlying tensions, and pin their failures on an external factor. It's not that Russia has no influence on these things. But there are sooo many much more significant factors at play.

I don't believe that Trump would not have won without Putin's or other's help.  I just think that Putin and China and the rest did not want that bitch in charge, like the rest of us, and did what they could to make sure the lesser of two evils won. 

Trump's win was so razor thin that you could pretty much blame it on anything. If any one factor that helped Trump didn't happen then we'd probably have president Hillary right now. James Comey probably did more to help Trump win than Putin did by very loudly opening another investigation into her a week before the election.

Razor thing?  Take a look at this map.  The only reason Hillary got any votes was because of California and New York.



Heck, if you look at a map of California, it is mostly red as well.



Hillary got most of her votes from a few counties in California and New York, the places where libards live, unlike us normal people. 

A normal American? There's no such thing.

If you look at this map, the entire country is almost all red.  It would seem that almost all counties voted for Trump.

The blue patches are the major metropolitan areas. The majority of the people live there. It's important to remember that this country is mostly empty space.

It is not empty space.  I live in your "empty space."  The two small high density little patches on the map do not represent the whole country, even though, if we were a true democracy, they would determine the leaders for everyone.  This is why we had a civil war 150 years ago: because tiny little high density places want to tell the rest of the country what to do.  This is also why we have the electoral college. 

Getting back on topic, this is also why people in a country like England don't want people in a place like Brussels telling them what to do. 

Quote from: Pezevenk on March 19, 2019, 11:42:59 AM

So far JerkFace has posted an article where one academic said that maybe Putin had a decisive influence on the US elections, a statement by the dni which says that he tried to, and an opinion piece that says there was collusion for Brexit, all the while ignoring that Russia is not the only one doing this, that there were far more important influences coming from inside the country, and painting Putin as some omnipotent being. The whole "Putin did it" meme is used so that people can explain away their incompetence and shortcomings and to ignore much more serious underlying tensions, and pin their failures on an external factor. It's not that Russia has no influence on these things. But there are sooo many much more significant factors at play.

I don't believe that Trump would not have won without Putin's or other's help.  I just think that Putin and China and the rest did not want that bitch in charge, like the rest of us, and did what they could to make sure the lesser of two evils won.

>tfw you think a bigoted pathological liar is the lesser evil
Do you have a problem with gay people or somethin'?

Getting back on topic, this is also why people in a country like England don't want people in a place like Brussels telling them what to do.

What is "also"?  What are you talking about?

Apparently, it’s all about Murica, give him a minute and there will be guns.

It was the same call to a mythical freedom/golden age that was being trampled by them damn bureaucrats, an easy route of blaming the foreigners so you don’t have to tax your brain into looking beyond what the mirror, mail, Sun say, yes Putin almost certainly was there and Murdoch’s agenda too, but ultimately we the voters have to take the blame for being so dumb and compliant.

Quote from: Son of Orospu on March 19, 2019, 01:38:41 PM

Quote from: Pezevenk on March 19, 2019, 11:42:59 AM

So far JerkFace has posted an article where one academic said that maybe Putin had a decisive influence on the US elections, a statement by the dni which says that he tried to, and an opinion piece that says there was collusion for Brexit, all the while ignoring that Russia is not the only one doing this, that there were far more important influences coming from inside the country, and painting Putin as some omnipotent being. The whole "Putin did it" meme is used so that people can explain away their incompetence and shortcomings and to ignore much more serious underlying tensions, and pin their failures on an external factor. It's not that Russia has no influence on these things. But there are sooo many much more significant factors at play.

I don't believe that Trump would not have won without Putin's or other's help.  I just think that Putin and China and the rest did not want that bitch in charge, like the rest of us, and did what they could to make sure the lesser of two evils won.

>tfw you think a bigoted pathological liar is the lesser evil
Do you have a problem with gay people or somethin'?

I have no problem with your people.  I am diversified. 

Quote from: Son of Orospu on March 19, 2019, 02:51:47 PM

Getting back on topic, this is also why people in a country like England don't want people in a place like Brussels telling them what to do.

What is "also"?  What are you talking about?

I am sorry.  I did not realize that you had such a problem with understanding the English language. 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/brexit-france-theresa-may-deal-nathalie-loiseau-cat-a8828026.html

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on March 20, 2019, 03:00:05 AM

Quote from: Son of Orospu on March 19, 2019, 02:51:47 PM

Getting back on topic, this is also why people in a country like England don't want people in a place like Brussels telling them what to do.

What is "also"?  What are you talking about?

I am sorry.  I did not realize that you had such a problem with understanding the English language.

You probably think you made a good point, but all we got was some bollocks about Trump a distribution map of the US with retards in red, and then you saying that is why the British don’t like brussels, do it again sober.

do it again sober.

That was what your mom told me. 

I don't get the Brexit drama.

Can't someone just stand on a soapbox and shout, "Fuck you, we quit the EU!"
and be done with it?

I know it's not that simple, but, how can it take so long?
Lawyers are getting rich.

Quote from: Jura-Glenlivet II on March 20, 2019, 05:23:48 AM

do it again sober.

That was what your mom told me. 

Again with the necrophilia, are all your cousins in jail?

I don't get the Brexit drama.

Can't someone just stand on a soapbox and shout, "Fuck you, we quit the EU!"
and be done with it?

I know it's not that simple, but, how can it take so long?
Lawyers are getting rich.

Because trade with the EU is how we get little things like medicine and food and the resources necessary to actually power the country.

It took this long because the guy hired to negotiate a deal did literally anything until the last couple of months, and May's doing the same to try and scare people into accepting any deal she proposes because she knows that there's no deal as good as being part of the EU.

Quote from: Bullwinkle on March 20, 2019, 05:29:53 AM

I don't get the Brexit drama.

Can't someone just stand on a soapbox and shout, "Fuck you, we quit the EU!"
and be done with it?

I know it's not that simple, but, how can it take so long?
Lawyers are getting rich.

Because trade with the EU is how we get little things like medicine and food and the resources necessary to actually power the country.

It took this long because the guy hired to negotiate a deal did literally anything until the last couple of months, and May's doing the same to try and scare people into accepting any deal she proposes because she knows that there's no deal as good as being part of the EU.

Do you get to elect the people who represent you in Brussels? 

Do you get to elect the people who represent you in Brussels?

As much as we do in our parliament, yep.

Because trade with the EU is how we get little things like medicine and food and the resources necessary to actually power the country.

Do EU members get some insider discounts on these commodities?
The USofA will not stand by and allow you to die of famine or disease.

Quote from: Son of Orospu on March 20, 2019, 05:28:44 AM

Quote from: Jura-Glenlivet II on March 20, 2019, 05:23:48 AM

do it again sober.

That was what your mom told me. 

are all your cousins in jail?

All of my cousins live in France, Germany, and Chile.  Thanks for reminding me about how little I get to see them.  Do you want to kick me in the balls next? 

Quote from: Jane on March 20, 2019, 05:35:40 AM

Because trade with the EU is how we get little things like medicine and food and the resources necessary to actually power the country.

Do EU members get some insider discounts on these commodities?
The USofA will not stand by and allow you to die of famine or disease.

You have to adhere to all the EU's regulations to trade with any member of the EU. That's kinda what people are objecting to. We need to reform and renegotiate all those relationships, or find sources outside of it. Plus we'd likely be trading under WTO rules rather than EU rules, so we basically do have an insider discount. Then on top of that you have multinational corporations whose status suddenly becomes a massive question mark.
The only stable way to progress is to keep our borders open to people and companies from within the EU and stick to EU rules (generally not something the leavers want), while having zero say in anything the EU does. Alternatively we function after losing trading partners or trading deals or the companies responsible for a lot of business and have to scramble to recover from that. There's no way we end up better off.

Yeah, the US's foreign policy is all about charity. Sure, in a couple of decades the UK probably won't be a smoking crater, that doesn't mean there aren't going to be problems and consequences for people now, especially EU nationals and families that live in the UK. You could barely even give aid to Puerto Rico after a freaking hurricane, I don't have much hope for a solid trading relationship reaching Europe.

Quote from: Son of Orospu on March 20, 2019, 05:37:38 AM

Do you get to elect the people who represent you in Brussels?

As much as we do in our parliament, yep.

Are you saying that your parliament does not matter, or that your vote doesn't matter?  Again, I am not up to date on the EU politics. 

You could barely even give aid to Puerto Rico after a freaking hurricane,

Puerto Rico was stabilized. Betterment is never part of the equation.

Like all democracies, we get to vote for our MEPs but what those MEPs then do is beyond our control.

Like all democracies, we get to vote for our MEPs but what those MEPs then do is beyond our control.

What's a MEP?

An MEP is a Member of the European Parliament. An MP that works for the UK in Brussels. Basically a freeloader with no moral compass who enjoys a career on the gravy train.

The Brexiters would have you believe that our government doesn’t matter in the face of EU regulation as some laws are made there, but by being part of it we are in the decision making, the right doesn’t like the employment or environmental legislation and the open borders, and we kind of gave away our fishing grounds to big factory concerns for some reason, but like Jane says to deal with the EU in Europe you need to abide by many of the rules, if we leave we will still have those mostly in place but have no say in the formulation.