Brexit

Remember that time there was that thing
that was all Ahhhhhh and everyone went Ehhhhhh
and sabers rattled and nobody gave a fuck?

Is that one of the averted wars?   

Nope that was the Cuban Missile Crisis. 

And then, Elvis stopped the Soviet invasion of Europe by recording GI blues.   Or maybe that was NATO? 

Quote from: Bullwinkle on March 20, 2019, 05:30:21 PM

Quote from: Pezevenk on March 20, 2019, 05:09:06 PM

The EU has actually probably stopped wars,

Which ones?

Should have said averted. But yeah, I gave you an example of a country in a very precarious situation. Lots of countries feel much safer within the EU.

Oh, good lord, let's say Chad attacked France. Do you think it requires the EU to flatten Chad?

Quote from: Pezevenk on March 20, 2019, 05:55:57 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on March 20, 2019, 05:30:21 PM

Quote from: Pezevenk on March 20, 2019, 05:09:06 PM

The EU has actually probably stopped wars,

Which ones?

Should have said averted. But yeah, I gave you an example of a country in a very precarious situation. Lots of countries feel much safer within the EU.

Oh, good lord, let's say Chad attacked France. Do you think it requires the EU to flatten Chad?

Let's say Turkey attacks Cyprus, which they did, in 1974, maybe being in the EU could help them, no?

Quote from: Bullwinkle on March 20, 2019, 06:06:29 PM

Quote from: Pezevenk on March 20, 2019, 05:55:57 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on March 20, 2019, 05:30:21 PM

Quote from: Pezevenk on March 20, 2019, 05:09:06 PM

The EU has actually probably stopped wars,

Which ones?

Should have said averted. But yeah, I gave you an example of a country in a very precarious situation. Lots of countries feel much safer within the EU.

Oh, good lord, let's say Chad attacked France. Do you think it requires the EU to flatten Chad?

Let's say Turkey attacks Cyprus, which they did, in 1974, maybe being in the EU could help them, no?

What kind of stupid fucking logic is that?

Quote from: Pezevenk on March 20, 2019, 06:19:44 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on March 20, 2019, 06:06:29 PM

Quote from: Pezevenk on March 20, 2019, 05:55:57 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on March 20, 2019, 05:30:21 PM

Quote from: Pezevenk on March 20, 2019, 05:09:06 PM

The EU has actually probably stopped wars,

Which ones?

Should have said averted. But yeah, I gave you an example of a country in a very precarious situation. Lots of countries feel much safer within the EU.

Oh, good lord, let's say Chad attacked France. Do you think it requires the EU to flatten Chad?

Let's say Turkey attacks Cyprus, which they did, in 1974, maybe being in the EU could help them, no?

What kind of stupid fucking logic is that?

The kind of logic that you would only understand if you were mediating between Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots.

Quote from: Pezevenk on March 20, 2019, 06:19:44 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on March 20, 2019, 06:06:29 PM

Quote from: Pezevenk on March 20, 2019, 05:55:57 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on March 20, 2019, 05:30:21 PM

Quote from: Pezevenk on March 20, 2019, 05:09:06 PM

The EU has actually probably stopped wars,

Which ones?

Should have said averted. But yeah, I gave you an example of a country in a very precarious situation. Lots of countries feel much safer within the EU.

Oh, good lord, let's say Chad attacked France. Do you think it requires the EU to flatten Chad?

Let's say Turkey attacks Cyprus, which they did, in 1974, maybe being in the EU could help them, no?

What kind of stupid fucking logic is that?

You said that France does not need the EU to defend against Chad. I'm telling you that maybe that's true, but Cyprus does need the EU to defend against Turkey.

Quote from: Bullwinkle on March 20, 2019, 07:07:37 PM

Quote from: Pezevenk on March 20, 2019, 06:19:44 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on March 20, 2019, 06:06:29 PM

Quote from: Pezevenk on March 20, 2019, 05:55:57 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on March 20, 2019, 05:30:21 PM

Quote from: Pezevenk on March 20, 2019, 05:09:06 PM

The EU has actually probably stopped wars,

Which ones?

Should have said averted. But yeah, I gave you an example of a country in a very precarious situation. Lots of countries feel much safer within the EU.

Oh, good lord, let's say Chad attacked France. Do you think it requires the EU to flatten Chad?

Let's say Turkey attacks Cyprus, which they did, in 1974, maybe being in the EU could help them, no?

What kind of stupid fucking logic is that?

The kind of logic that you would only understand if you were mediating between Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots.

And therein lies my ignorance.
Back to you, sir.

The EU has actually probably stopped wars, but probably not wars that would have been waged between its members, but wars between non-EU and EU countries. Just look at Cyprus, which was extremely precarious before it joined.

The EU has done lots of good stuff actually, like useful consumer protection laws, environmental programs, research, infrastructure and growth grants, beneficial free trade and travel between members, a strong common currency with low inflation, etc. However it's also responsible for lots of very awful stuff (some of them being the other side of the coin to the positive stuff mentioned before) which is why some people want out and some want reform. Widespread radical reform is the best option but it is really hard to achieve that, so we're in a bit of a pickle.

"Lots of good stuff versus lots of VERY awful stuff" -  Now, which would most people choose? Sounds more  like a description of Nazi Germany.

Interesting to read your comment about Cyprus being "extremely precarious" before joining....in what way?

When you can't take anything more from the public without them rising up, you create something that can continue to scrape every last penny.
Brexit.
Something that weirdly costs billions and billions to implement and even more billions to drag out, only to end up with nothing to gain for any of us but plenty to gain for those who the gain is designed for.

And so on and so on.
They may as well just feed us gruel and be done with it...and they would if they could get the minnows to keep them in their accustomed lavishness without having to suffer the consequences of their actions.

Seem clear enough...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/21/petitions-site-crashes-after-thousands-back-call-to-revoke-article-50?CMP=twt_gu

From the Guardian:
The best way to see where the "Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU" petition is being signed is on the @ODILeeds hexmap viewer. A clear pattern, extremely concentrated in just a few places, and a very strong correlation with places that voted Remain. https://t.co/Fg9ZjycUdG pic.twitter.com/VdpcXHcKlw
March 20, 2019

"a very strong correlation with places that voted Remain."  Surprise, surprise.

The Germans are on to Banksy's game...  LOL

https://twitter.com/freeWorld2/status/1108107624808136710

To be honest, most of the population is switched off.
We're fed a load of nonsense with a smidge....I say, a "smidge" of truth.

Quote from: Bullwinkle on March 20, 2019, 06:06:29 PM

Quote from: Pezevenk on March 20, 2019, 05:55:57 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on March 20, 2019, 05:30:21 PM

Quote from: Pezevenk on March 20, 2019, 05:09:06 PM

The EU has actually probably stopped wars,

Which ones?

Should have said averted. But yeah, I gave you an example of a country in a very precarious situation. Lots of countries feel much safer within the EU.

Oh, good lord, let's say Chad attacked France. Do you think it requires the EU to flatten Chad?

Let's say Turkey attacks Cyprus, which they did, in 1974, maybe being in the EU could help them, no?

Think you'll find that BRITAIN helped back then, not the EU, even though Cyprus didn't want us there. Turkey are likely to be joining the EU in the near future, so how would the EU deal with an attack by them on a fellow EU country like Cyprus? The EU stops wars remember.

Quote from: Pezevenk on March 20, 2019, 06:19:44 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on March 20, 2019, 06:06:29 PM

Quote from: Pezevenk on March 20, 2019, 05:55:57 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on March 20, 2019, 05:30:21 PM

Quote from: Pezevenk on March 20, 2019, 05:09:06 PM

The EU has actually probably stopped wars,

Which ones?

Should have said averted. But yeah, I gave you an example of a country in a very precarious situation. Lots of countries feel much safer within the EU.

Oh, good lord, let's say Chad attacked France. Do you think it requires the EU to flatten Chad?

Let's say Turkey attacks Cyprus, which they did, in 1974, maybe being in the EU could help them, no?

Think you'll find that BRITAIN helped back then, not the EU, even though Cyprus didn't want us there.

I already said they weren't in the EU back then. And Britain didn't help. And they were right not to want you there because it was colonial bullshit.

Actually you said: "Let's say Turkey attacks Cyprus, which they did, in 1974, maybe being in the EU could help them, no?"

Doesn't sound like past tense to me.

Besides, you're saying that Cyprus magically repelled the Turks on their own?

Actually you said: "Let's say Turkey attacks Cyprus, which they did, in 1974, maybe being in the EU could help them, no?"

Doesn't sound like past tense to me.

Besides, you're saying that Cyprus magically repelled the Turks on their own?

Please don't do the, "you left a comma off of here, therefore you are wrong" thing.  I knew what he was saying, and so did you.  He types in English very well for being from a third world shit whole. 

Not at all, his English is perfect and it's clear what he wrote.

Actually you said: "Let's say Turkey attacks Cyprus, which they did, in 1974, maybe being in the EU could help them, no?"

Doesn't sound like past tense to me.

Yes, let's say that Turkey attacks Cyprus now, which they've already done in the near past, so it's not some outlandish possibility. I thought it was pretty obvious what I was saying.

Besides, you're saying that Cyprus magically repelled the Turks on their own?

"Magically"? They had an army and they received military aid from Greece, there were peace talks and they aren't t. And they weren't "repelled", they still occupy the northern part of the island. There were peace talks and it wasn't in Turkey's interests to escalate the conflict further.

He types in English very well for being from a third world shit whole.

Yeah, at least I know the difference between "hole" and "whole" 

His English is probably better than most of the people from Antarctica. 

Quote from: Son of Orospu on March 21, 2019, 08:28:32 AM

He types in English very well for being from a third world shit whole.

Yeah, at least I know the difference between "hole" and "whole" 

I bet your mom know the difference between here hole, a hoe, and a whore. 

His English is probably better than most of the people from Antarctica.

That's actually a great compliment, because most people who live in Antarctica are native English speakers.

Quote from: Son of Orospu on March 21, 2019, 08:42:52 AM

His English is probably better than most of the people from Antarctica.

That's actually a great compliment, because most people who live in Antarctica are native English speakers.

Your mom dropped you on your head, confirmed. 

Quote from: Pezevenk on March 21, 2019, 08:45:59 AM

Quote from: Son of Orospu on March 21, 2019, 08:42:52 AM

His English is probably better than most of the people from Antarctica.

That's actually a great compliment, because most people who live in Antarctica are native English speakers.

Your mom dropped you on your head, confirmed.

Your mom dropped her panties for me.

Quote from: Son of Orospu on March 21, 2019, 08:47:01 AM

Quote from: Pezevenk on March 21, 2019, 08:45:59 AM

Quote from: Son of Orospu on March 21, 2019, 08:42:52 AM

His English is probably better than most of the people from Antarctica.

That's actually a great compliment, because most people who live in Antarctica are native English speakers.

Your mom dropped you on your head, confirmed.

Your mom dropped her panties for me.

I am sorry, that was too funny to respond. 

Quote from: MS on March 21, 2019, 08:21:27 AM

Actually you said: "Let's say Turkey attacks Cyprus, which they did, in 1974, maybe being in the EU could help them, no?"

Doesn't sound like past tense to me.

Yes, let's say that Turkey attacks Cyprus now, which they've already done in the near past, so it's not some outlandish possibility. I thought it was pretty obvious what I was saying.

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Besides, you're saying that Cyprus magically repelled the Turks on their own?

"Magically"? They had an army and they received military aid from Greece, there were peace talks and they aren't t. And they weren't "repelled", they still occupy the northern part of the island. There were peace talks and it wasn't in Turkey's interests to escalate the conflict further.

First, if Turkey attacked, the EU would do nothing. They are not an army, they are a trading agreement.
Second, the 'military aid' from Greece was the reason that Turkey invaded in the first place. Enosis and all that....

First, if Turkey attacked, the EU would do nothing. They are not an army, they are a trading agreement.

1) Lisbon treaty.
2) The borders of member states are EU borders. It is not in the interests of the EU to let member states be invaded. Turkey has 0 incentive to attack an EU country, because that will get them on the bad side of the EU, which is exponentially worse than just them ending on the bad side of a couple of countries. You may not have heard of it, but recently new oil reserves have been found in the Aegean and close to Cyprus. It is not in the interests of the EU as a whole to let Turkey dispute the borders.

Second, the 'military aid' from Greece was the reason that Turkey invaded in the first place. Enosis and all that....

No, the coup against Makarios was the excuse for Turkey to invade. The military aid I'm talking about came after the invasion. And this wasn't about Enosis. Enosis was secondary. It was about the Greek junta being dicks. Enosis was something most Cypriots wanted. The coup wasn't.

Therefore Turkey will not invade Cyprus or any other member state. Your previous hypothosis falls down.
The history of Cyprus is long and is generally peppered with wars as it is a staging post for any activity in the Med.even in Roman times.
Turkish support for Cypriot Turks was there way before the invasion.
The island is still divided a a result of talks held by the BRITISH and many Brits were killed defending it, both by Greeks and Turks.
Still not sure about your EU point here though?

Therefore Turkey will not invade Cyprus or any other member state.

That's what I said dumbass. Them being in the EU averts wars, because other countries have no reason to invade them if they're gonna have to deal with the entire EU.

Turkish support for Cypriot Turks was there way before the invasion.

Your point being?

The island is still divided a a result of talks held by the BRITISH and many Brits were killed defending it, both by Greeks and Turks.

LOL where the hell do you learn your history? The British actually quietly supported the Turkish invasion at the time, and they didn't do anything to counter it.

Still not sure about your EU point here though?

That lots of countries appreciate the safety it gives them.