Clearing the Muddle that is Jesus

Jesus not wanting me for a sunbeam

You couldn't be more wrong.
You are his lost sheep he would leave his whole flock to find.

Quote from: disputeone on November 22, 2022, 04:21:06 AM

For he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.[/i]

You must think Jesus to be a really immoral ass hole, like you.

Only one of those would ask people to abdicate their responsibilities and ignore Jesus who says, pick up their crosses and follow him.

When you make a mistake, do you beat your kids too?

Regards
DL

How will you atone for your sins?

Are you the only other human apart from Jesus to live a perfect sinless life?

You couldn't lift my cross one inch off the ground.

You can't have a sinless life.

It's impossible for us humans.

Oh, yea, I misread.

I’ve not been here in a while, Jesus not wanting me for a sunbeam and all that, but I must say that in a discussion between believers on the nature of their beliefs there is an unhealthy obsession with the unhealthy, I know outrage and finger pointing is the new paradigm, but is it what Jesus would do?

I'm afraid that Jesus accepts not  only good Protestants like me, but also Catholics, Mormons, Calvinists, and for that matter pagans, Jews, Buddhists, Shintos, Muslims, and probably even Satan-worshipers. Something to do with grace being impossible to earn, and God being greater than our sins.

What is true is that if you're a Muslim or Satan-worshiper, your living life will me a mess, and you'll probably have all kinds of screwed up ways of thinking. There are no wrong faiths, but there are toxic ones.

What are you afraid for? Surely if your mythical hero is going to accept me whatever, that’s a good thing, for me at least, it’s like I fall and break my ankle climbing in the bank window and get paid by their insurance, so I am sorted, and I don’t have to worry about the sin either if it’s impossible to live without doing it, it must be acceptable.

You're my friend and I want what is best for you. It isn't more complicated than that in my case.

It's true we can't live without sin.
Especially myself.

I'm going to go for a walk, I actually left my headlights on the other night and found out on Sunday that I needed to walk to the shops while my battery charged. I was annoyed at myself that I left my lights on but I enjoyed the walk. It was pretty relaxing.

What are you afraid for? Surely if your mythical hero is going to accept me whatever, that’s a good thing, for me at least, it’s like I fall and break my ankle climbing in the bank window and get paid by their insurance, so I am sorted, and I don’t have to worry about the sin either if it’s impossible to live without doing it, it must be acceptable.

To use your analogy, it's like not breaking your leg, and having that money to spend on what you want. The insurance does sort it out, but why would you want to later be stuck paying high premiums? If you can avoid breaking your leg, you do it. So it is with toxic systems.

The book Nomad is an ex-Muslim's observations on Islam. She talks about their inability to responsibly handle debt, because they basically forbid it, and then view government loans as money from Allah. She talks about how in one village her family was in, rather than emptying out water that leaked in their house, they said "Allah wills it" and left it there. Their fatalism later killed much of the family, as mosquitoes decided to spawn in this water, and they got malaria.

Yes, God forgives our sins, but you also don't go around with a mindset that you have God and won't follow his rules, even when they have common sense applications.

Quote from: Jura-Glenlivet II on November 23, 2022, 01:58:18 AM

What are you afraid for? Surely if your mythical hero is going to accept me whatever, that’s a good thing, for me at least, it’s like I fall and break my ankle climbing in the bank window and get paid by their insurance, so I am sorted, and I don’t have to worry about the sin either if it’s impossible to live without doing it, it must be acceptable.

To use your analogy, it's like not breaking your leg, and having that money to spend on what you want. The insurance does sort it out, but why would you want to later be stuck paying high premiums? If you can avoid breaking your leg, you do it. So it is with toxic systems.

The book Nomad is an ex-Muslim's observations on Islam. She talks about their inability to responsibly handle debt, because they basically forbid it, and then view government loans as money from Allah. She talks about how in one village her family was in, rather than emptying out water that leaked in their house, they said "Allah wills it" and left it there. Their fatalism later killed much of the family, as mosquitoes decided to spawn in this water, and they got malaria.

Yes, God forgives our sins, but you also don't go around with a mindset that you have God and won't follow his rules, even when they have common sense applications.

It sounds like the cool thing about God is that if you don't believe in it, and perhaps you're wrong, you are still forgiven. Kind of a win-win and you don't even have to follow all of the man-made God rules.

Except He said:


(TLDR:  you will be judged by your true heart.   True nature.   True belief.   Deathbed i believe in god allah buddha save me jebus)



Bible > NIV > Matthew 25
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The Parable of the Ten Virgins

1“At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2Five of them were foolish and five were wise. 3The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them. 4The wise ones, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps. 5The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep.

6“At midnight the cry rang out: ‘Here’s the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!’

7“Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps. 8The foolish ones said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.’

9“ ‘No,’ they replied, ‘there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.’

10“But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut.

11“Later the others also came. ‘Lord, Lord,’ they said, ‘open the door for us!’

12“But he replied, ‘Truly I tell you, I don’t know you.’

13“Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.

The Parable of the Bags of Gold

14“Again, it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants and entrusted his wealth to them. 15To one he gave five bags of gold, to another two bags, and to another one bag, a each according to his ability. Then he went on his journey. 16The man who had received five bags of gold went at once and put his money to work and gained five bags more. 17So also, the one with two bags of gold gained two more. 18But the man who had received one bag went off, dug a hole in the ground and hid his master’s money.

19“After a long time the master of those servants returned and settled accounts with them. 20The man who had received five bags of gold brought the other five. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘you entrusted me with five bags of gold. See, I have gained five more.’

21“His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master’s happiness!’

22“The man with two bags of gold also came. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘you entrusted me with two bags of gold; see, I have gained two more.’

23“His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master’s happiness!’

24“Then the man who had received one bag of gold came. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘I knew that you are a hard man, harvesting where you have not sown and gathering where you have not scattered seed. 25So I was afraid and went out and hid your gold in the ground. See, here is what belongs to you.’

26“His master replied, ‘You wicked, lazy servant! So you knew that I harvest where I have not sown and gather where I have not scattered seed? 27Well then, you should have put my money on deposit with the bankers, so that when I returned I would have received it back with interest.

28“ ‘So take the bag of gold from him and give it to the one who has ten bags. 29For whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. 30And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

The Sheep and the Goats

31“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37“Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40“The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

41“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44“They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45“He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46“Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

Footnotes:
a 15 Greek five talents . . . two talents . . . one talent; also throughout this parable; a talent was worth about 20 years of a day laborer’s wage.
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I buy the big issue.

Quote from: Gnostic Christian Bishop on November 22, 2022, 08:07:20 AM

Quote from: disputeone on November 22, 2022, 04:21:06 AM

For he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.[/i]

You must think Jesus to be a really immoral ass hole, like you.

Only one of those would ask people to abdicate their responsibilities and ignore Jesus who says, pick up their crosses and follow him.

When you make a mistake, do you beat your kids too?

Regards
DL

How will you atone for your sins?

Are you the only other human apart from Jesus to live a perfect sinless life?

You couldn't lift my cross one inch off the ground.

Quite the ego.

Why should I atone when you sing that Adam's sin was a happy fault and necessary to God's plan?

To live sinless is not to live at all and that would screw up your God's plan.

Strange how you do not care about derailing your God's plan.

Regards
DL

I would steal some oil to fill my lighter and spark up a doobie, sharing it with the bereft-of-fuel-virgins. Then tell the king to go fuck himself then start screaming "ANARCHY, ANARCHY!". Lastly, take my 10 bags of gold and put it all down on 26 black.

All is forgiven.

I buy the big issue.

They are so expensive now.
Like $10 a pop.

I would steal some oil to fill my lighter and spark up a doobie, sharing it with the bereft-of-fuel-virgins. Then tell the king to go fuck himself then start screaming "ANARCHY, ANARCHY!". Lastly, take my 10 bags of gold and put it all down on 26 black.

All is forgiven.

In your life, the IRS will tax your winnings (or the casino will break your kneecaps for gambling debts), oil/banking companies will break your arms for stealing from their syndicate, the virgins will turn out to not be so virginal and give you STDs, and the long term effects of smoking weed will present themselves. But none of this will matter in the afterlife. You will have paid the price on Earth.

Except He said:


(TLDR:  you will be judged by your true heart.   True nature.   True belief.   Deathbed i believe in god allah buddha save me jebus)

1“At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2Five of them were foolish and five were wise. 3The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them. 4The wise ones, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps. 5The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep.

6“At midnight the cry rang out: ‘Here’s the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!’

7“Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps. 8The foolish ones said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.’

9“ ‘No,’ they replied, ‘there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.’

10“But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut.

11“Later the others also came. ‘Lord, Lord,’ they said, ‘open the door for us!’

12“But he replied, ‘Truly I tell you, I don’t know you.’

13“Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.

The Parable of the Bags of Gold

14“Again, it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants and entrusted his wealth to them. 15To one he gave five bags of gold, to another two bags, and to another one bag, a each according to his ability. Then he went on his journey. 16The man who had received five bags of gold went at once and put his money to work and gained five bags more. 17So also, the one with two bags of gold gained two more. 18But the man who had received one bag went off, dug a hole in the ground and hid his master’s money.

19“After a long time the master of those servants returned and settled accounts with them. 20The man who had received five bags of gold brought the other five. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘you entrusted me with five bags of gold. See, I have gained five more.’

21“His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master’s happiness!’

22“The man with two bags of gold also came. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘you entrusted me with two bags of gold; see, I have gained two more.’

23“His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master’s happiness!’

24“Then the man who had received one bag of gold came. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘I knew that you are a hard man, harvesting where you have not sown and gathering where you have not scattered seed. 25So I was afraid and went out and hid your gold in the ground. See, here is what belongs to you.’

26“His master replied, ‘You wicked, lazy servant! So you knew that I harvest where I have not sown and gather where I have not scattered seed? 27Well then, you should have put my money on deposit with the bankers, so that when I returned I would have received it back with interest.

28“ ‘So take the bag of gold from him and give it to the one who has ten bags. 29For whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. 30And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

The Sheep and the Goats

31“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37“Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40“The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

41“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44“They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45“He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46“Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

Footnotes:
a 15 Greek five talents . . . two talents . . . one talent; also throughout this parable; a talent was worth about 20 years of a day laborer’s wage.

Jesus is describing to Jews how they see God.

That is, Jews see God as some bean counter who picks at how others live their lives. In the first instance, none of the virgins will share oil. Yet those virgins are not punished but the ones who are unprepared, driven outside the gate while the selfish are let in. In the second case, a man who only had one talent, being unwilling to risk 20 years of income on an investment (gambling money was sinful under Judaism, making this man a wicked lord), has it taken from him and given to the rich. This isn't, as people suspect, a model of behavior for Christian ppl to emulate. This is about the two richer men having money that they can afford to risk, whereas the poor man is given a while talent, and not wanting to risk it, gives it back to the man. In the third model, where before we were talking about a lord who is a human (and not a very good one), now we are presumably talking about God. Or at least the Messiah.

Tell me something. When this happens, what happens to those poor who collect the money? After all, they did not give to the poor. They did not feed the hungry. They did not clothe the naked. Because they were poor, and like the man with one talent (a talent is basically a golden egg, it can't be divided without converting to smaller coins), what they had was expected to last them. They took this money, and then taxes took all they had to live on, and have it to the richest. But by this parable, because they never gave to the poor, God should punish them, but not those with money enough to tithe. Like with the lamp oil, who is punished is those who ran out, not those with excess.

That is, Jews see God as some bean counter who picks at how others live their lives.

That's rather rich. It's exactly what you are doing.

If you say so.

In the mean time, perhaps explain why there were so many walls around Israel and specifically Jerusalem. No? Because I can.

They had walls to keep non-Jews out because they had worshiped foreign gods before. But by Jesus's time, they had full on hatred of outsiders thanks to Rome, despite instructions from God to welcome outsiders. In particular, even if Gentiles believed that a single God is responsible for creation, they were not permitted to worship God. Thus, there were walls around the Temple to prevent outsiders from worshipping God.

There were walls against women. Although Judaism is not as oppressive as Islam to women, there is a sense that women also aren't good enough to approach God.

In fact, even righteous men aren't good enough, instead giving that right to priests. This is the "God" they made, a God of walls against others, who creates rigid standards of  conduct and excludes those who don't meet it.

This section is not intended to be taken literally to mean that God has a standard of extreme goodness. In  fact, there's something called a universalized maxim. That is "what if everyone did it?" Well, the very poor would be forced to be generous with what very little they had. And anyone not in a position to do charity would find themselves screwed over. Jesus is telling these ppl that by condemning others, God has the right to punish. But God doesn't act on that.

They had walls to keep non-Jews out because they had worshiped foreign gods before.

Incorrect. The first walls around Jerusalem were built by the Canaanites, a poly-god worshipping nomadic and settled pastural culture/tribes. Non-Jew.

- The First Walls Were Built by the Canaanites
- David Conquered the Jebusite City and Enlarged the City Walls
- Solomon Added to the Walls of the City
- Hezekiah’s Broad Wall Expansion of the Western Hill
- Nehemiah Rebuilds the Walls
- Hasmonean Wall Addition
- King Herod Addition
- Agrippa I Wall Addition
- In the 16th century, Suleiman decided to rebuild the city walls on much of the remains of the ancient walls that already existed.

Suleiman was islamic.

Why are walls around settlements built anywhere throughout history? You do realize that walls have been built around cities, fortresses, garrisons, you name it, all over the world for the sheer reason of defense from competing nations, cultures, whathaveyou. Just look at the great wall. Why do many castles have moats? The list goes on and on.

Most of the time, defense. It just so happens that the majority of invasions/wars throughout history are centered around religion or religious beliefs. So I could see why you default to "Walls were built to keep a certain religious faction out." Partially true, but lacking a great deal of context.

You really don't like Jews, do you?

Its pretty obvious who built you, Stash.

My apologies I have been busy. Important things are happening.

If I have time this afternoon I'd like to make a thread similar to this one about who the Holy Spirit is as I believe he is even less understood than Jesus.

Edit.
Typo.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on November 26, 2022, 10:19:14 PM

They had walls to keep non-Jews out because they had worshiped foreign gods before.

Incorrect. The first walls around Jerusalem were built by the Canaanites, a poly-god worshipping nomadic and settled pastural culture/tribes. Non-Jew.

- The First Walls Were Built by the Canaanites
- David Conquered the Jebusite City and Enlarged the City Walls
- Solomon Added to the Walls of the City
- Hezekiah’s Broad Wall Expansion of the Western Hill
- Nehemiah Rebuilds the Walls
- Hasmonean Wall Addition
- King Herod Addition
- Agrippa I Wall Addition
- In the 16th century, Suleiman decided to rebuild the city walls on much of the remains of the ancient walls that already existed.

Suleiman was islamic.

Why are walls around settlements built anywhere throughout history? You do realize that walls have been built around cities, fortresses, garrisons, you name it, all over the world for the sheer reason of defense from competing nations, cultures, whathaveyou. Just look at the great wall. Why do many castles have moats? The list goes on and on.

Most of the time, defense. It just so happens that the majority of invasions/wars throughout history are centered around religion or religious beliefs. So I could see why you default to "Walls were built to keep a certain religious faction out." Partially true, but lacking a great deal of context.

You really don't like Jews, do you?

Actually I do.

One of my friends is a Jew.

 What I don't like is denial of what God actually taught the Jews. When we read Kings (rather than Chronicles) we find that the Jews disobeyed God when they asked for a temple and a king. God says something about not needing a house built with human hands to the former, and mentions all the ways a king will oppress them to the latter. Yet over and over again, they hardened their hearts. Enough worship of King David and Herod's Temple. David was a fallible man who is guilty of adultery. Anyone else would be stoned to death by the laws of the time.
The Temple was a monstrous structure, which after falling, they ceased all Passover sacrifice. This is good, because Jesus is the Paschal sacrifice, but it's also in disobedience to their own command to keep the Passover. That is, post-Temple, no Jews have been righteous according to the law. But while the Temple was around, bloody atonement rituals were done day after day. Lepers were excluded, the widows and orphans were defrauded by claims that donating money to the Temple was donating to God. Does God have use for money?

No, God wants justice and mercy. Mercy to outcasts, orphans, the sick, the lonely, the possessed of psychological disorders.

. But while the Temple was around, bloody atonement rituals were done day after day. Lepers were excluded, the widows and orphans were defrauded by claims that donating money to the Temple was donating to God. Does God have use for money?

No, God wants justice and mercy. Mercy to outcasts, orphans, the sick, the lonely, the possessed of psychological disorders.

Was bulmbas political affiliation mentioned?

No, God wants justice and mercy. Mercy to outcasts, orphans, the sick, the lonely, the possessed of psychological disorders.

Apparently that notion was lost during the Crusades/Inquisition/Conquistador conquests.

Ah yes, the Crusades.

People love to pull out that little gem. A 90-year-end against people who have actively been trying to kill Christians and Jews for 14 centuries.
One where the Christians actually helped take back Israel from the Muslims, and in fact opened the Eastern Gate (the very one Jesus ride through) until it was closed again by Muslims when they reconquested.

Were there Christians who went too far? You bet! But was it anywhere near Muslim jihads? It was 1/14 as bad. And they are STILL fighting Jews and Christians.

persians vs israelites?

jacob probably shoudlnt've taken esau's blessing then...




USA evangelical christians trying to trigger the apocolypse are the only reason (and $$$) they're pushing for trump and co to support israel

Ah yes, the Crusades.

People love to pull out that little gem. A 90-year-end against people who have actively been trying to kill Christians and Jews for 14 centuries.
One where the Christians actually helped take back Israel from the Muslims, and in fact opened the Eastern Gate (the very one Jesus ride through) until it was closed again by Muslims when they reconquested.

Were there Christians who went too far? You bet! But was it anywhere near Muslim jihads? It was 1/14 as bad. And they are STILL fighting Jews and Christians.

Which is why I think both religions are garbage, not to mention their homophobia and misogyny.

Jesus is flipping in his grave.

Regards
DL

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on November 30, 2022, 07:21:24 AM

Ah yes, the Crusades.

People love to pull out that little gem. A 90-year-end against people who have actively been trying to kill Christians and Jews for 14 centuries.
One where the Christians actually helped take back Israel from the Muslims, and in fact opened the Eastern Gate (the very one Jesus ride through) until it was closed again by Muslims when they reconquested.

Were there Christians who went too far? You bet! But was it anywhere near Muslim jihads? It was 1/14 as bad. And they are STILL fighting Jews and Christians.

Which is why I think both religions are garbage, not to mention their homophobia and misogyny.

Jesus is flipping in his grave.

Regards
DL

The Jews are always blamed for everything.

Regards
D(ick)L(icker)

Quote from: Gnostic Christian Bishop on November 30, 2022, 12:51:47 PM

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on November 30, 2022, 07:21:24 AM

Ah yes, the Crusades.

People love to pull out that little gem. A 90-year-end against people who have actively been trying to kill Christians and Jews for 14 centuries.
One where the Christians actually helped take back Israel from the Muslims, and in fact opened the Eastern Gate (the very one Jesus ride through) until it was closed again by Muslims when they reconquested.

Were there Christians who went too far? You bet! But was it anywhere near Muslim jihads? It was 1/14 as bad. And they are STILL fighting Jews and Christians.

Which is why I think both religions are garbage, not to mention their homophobia and misogyny.

Jesus is flipping in his grave.

Regards
DL

The Jews are always blamed for everything.

Regards
D(ick)L(icker)

Yes.

But I blame thing more on the impaired minds who believe in a real supernatural realm and God.

That kind of garbage is the root of inquisitions and jihads and most of the evils this world has had to endure.

Seems we are all mentally impaired.

All but me that is.

Not sure about many here.

Regards
DL

Ah yes, the Crusades.

As Gnostic pointed out it seems that all these religions aren't really adhering to what you think God wants. In fact, they are rather bloodthirsty.

If these religions are right, it seems that God wants bigotry, war, carnage, and suffering.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on November 30, 2022, 07:21:24 AM

Ah yes, the Crusades.

As Gnostic pointed out it seems that all these religions aren't really adhering to what you think God wants. In fact, they are rather bloodthirsty.

If these religions are right, it seems that God wants bigotry, war, carnage, and suffering.

We all want that as a steppingstone to fame and the security of leadership.

We are genetically programmed to want to rule the world, in this world and the next, should it exist.

Our love of war, as the epitome of our love of drama, cannot help but be expressed to it's worst form, when the tribe gets the war bug.

Religions that promote homophobia and misogyny are the root of our love of war and drama.

End them and peace will be worldwide.

Better yet, make them go Gnostic Christian.

It is better than all other theologies and ideologies.

Regards
DL

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on November 30, 2022, 07:21:24 AM

Ah yes, the Crusades.

As Gnostic pointed out it seems that all these religions aren't really adhering to what you think God wants. In fact, they are rather bloodthirsty.

If these religions are right, it seems that God wants bigotry, war, carnage, and suffering.

You didn't even bother to read, did you.

So now we're gonna watch a video.



The short version was that Christianity has a lapse in mercy based mainly around facing certain death and watching the Jews get attacked too. Btw, there some online theorists that say the real Jews nowadays are all dead. They became Samaritans or Muslims (or died), and those claiming to be Jews now are racial impostors (Europeans from the Khazars that converted and developed a racial identity). "From these stones, God can raise up children for Abraham." So yeah, this is what happens when you cooperate with someone who wants you dead.

No, God doesn't demand violence. The Crusades went down not because of bloodlust but because Muslims were creeping in from the east and west. In particular, the Hagia Sophia had been taken over. This was the jewel of Christian society, and it was akin to having a statue of Venus in your yard that a neighbor ran over with his car, and while it was sideways, proceeded to get his... sex juices all over it.
Does God demand violence? No, but there are certain things that are antagonistic and get a response.

That you blame the one and excuse the other shows your massively screwed up mindset.