What comes first?

Dinosaurs are chickens!

I have been pondering this conundrum for many winters but my thoughts have brought me nowhere. Now I come to you, wonderful people, with a question. what came first the chicken or the egg? my compatriots asked me this question a fortnight ago and I could not provide them an answer so I was wondering if you could reveal the answer.

Godspeed.

Dinosaurs are chickens!

1.   Too many variations/species. No other animal is this diverse. Dinosaurs range from T-Rex’s to plant-eating dinosaurs to pterodactyls. Some walked, some mostly swim, some even flew. Some were carnivores, some were herbivores, and some were omnivores. No other animal has this diverse of species.

2.   They were just too big. Some were as long as blue whales and around half a blue whale’s weight, however, blue whales are oceanic creatures. The tallest current land animal is a giraffe, which can reach up to 18 feet tall. The longest dinosaur was nearly 85 long. Elephants can be around 13,000 lbs, the heaviest dinosaur was roughly 10x heavier than this. There is no way these land animals were THAT much bigger.

3.   Ties in with the previous point, there couldn’t have been enough food to go around. They were just way too massive and would’ve had to eat a crazy amount to sustain their size. The planet had much more oxygen and was much more lush back then, but even then, herbivores could not have eaten enough leaves/plants to sustain so many of them at such a massive size. Carnivores and omnivores also would’ve had to have eaten a significant amount and there just isn’t any way that could’ve happened.

4.   Way too many theories on how they became extinct (volcano, meteor, flood etc.) which could’ve been to get people to argue about that, rather than if they were even real or not in the first place.

5.   ***NOT SUPER FACT BASED*** Just think about dinosaurs…doesn’t even seem very plausible, does it?

6.   We’re just told as kids that dinosaurs and we don’t question it because we’re kids. Also, kids think dinosaurs are cool, so they’re even more inclined to believe in them. This is similar to things like Santa, the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny etc., however, there’s no really way to discover that dinosaurs because we don’t even consider it and they’re not in our everyday lives.

 Possible disasters or global happenings around the early 1800’s (dinosaur fossils claim to have been discovered in 1824 by William Buckland)

Motives for faking dinosaurs?: Maybe they needed people to move there (kind of like the Loch Ness Monster)?

Side note: William Buckland was known to eat mice on toast, porpoise, panther, even puppies, AND ate a king’s heart; a.k.a. not sure if he can be trusted.

Clearly chicken is the definitive answer.

If you were God, which would you create? Is it an egg that's unclear what's inside, or a chicken that anyone who sees it will know what it is? This applies not only to chickens, but also to other egg-laying bird species, some fish species, and even crocodiles.

As evidence, it is written that Noah took two of each type of animal aboard his ark, but there is no evidence that he took eggs into the ark. In this case, assuming that all animals perished and only Noah's ark remained, it is seen that the chicken existed and the egg was formed later.

Let's take the matter a little more scientifically:

It is enough for a chicken even to be alone to lay eggs. The chicken can lay eggs by itself.

An egg cannot turn itself into a chicken. It is necessary that the egg has been interfened by a rooster beforehand.

The fact that the egg hatching from the chicken is not conditional, but the fact that other things are required for the chicken to hatch from the egg actually explains the issue.

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Even if we assume for a moment that the egg does exist and that it also has hereditary influences from the rooster: In this case, what will hatch will be either a chicken or a rooster. In either case, it will need another breed to reproduce.

This situation coincides with Noah's choice. In the beginning there was a chicken and a rooster.

The proposition that the egg was the progenitor hits one very large speedbump, that being no chicken available to incubate it and provide protection and life skills to the chick when hatched.

Quote from: Jura-Glenlivet II on June 15, 2023, 02:34:57 AM

The proposition that the egg was the progenitor hits one very large speedbump, that being no chicken available to incubate it and provide protection and life skills to the chick when hatched.

Who said that the egg in question was a chicken egg?

The egg came first.  Chickens evolved much later.

Quote from: markjo on June 15, 2023, 07:16:22 PM

Quote from: Jura-Glenlivet II on June 15, 2023, 02:34:57 AM

The proposition that the egg was the progenitor hits one very large speedbump, that being no chicken available to incubate it and provide protection and life skills to the chick when hatched.

Who said that the egg in question was a chicken egg?

Quote from: markjo on June 10, 2023, 04:49:27 PM

The egg came first.  Chickens evolved much later.

Quote from: Jura-Glenlivet II on June 16, 2023, 12:35:55 AM

Quote from: markjo on June 15, 2023, 07:16:22 PM

Quote from: Jura-Glenlivet II on June 15, 2023, 02:34:57 AM

The proposition that the egg was the progenitor hits one very large speedbump, that being no chicken available to incubate it and provide protection and life skills to the chick when hatched.

Who said that the egg in question was a chicken egg?

Quote from: markjo on June 10, 2023, 04:49:27 PM

The egg came first.  Chickens evolved much later.

Sorry, but that doesn't answer my question.

what came first the chicken or the egg?

If you want to know whether the chicken or chicken egg came first, then the answer depends on what you call the egg that hatched the first chicken.  Assuming that you believe in evolution, what we call chickens evolved from what we might call a proto-chicken.  At some point in time, a proto-chicken laid an egg that would hatch the first chickens.  The answer depends on whether you would consider that egg to the the last proto-chicken egg or the first chicken egg.  Personally, I would call it a chicken egg because it contains what would become a chicken, just not necessarily laid by a chicken.

Quote from: markjo on June 20, 2023, 06:08:51 PM

If you want to know whether the chicken or chicken egg came first, then the answer depends on what you call the egg that hatched the first chicken.  Assuming that you believe in evolution, what we call chickens evolved from what we might call a proto-chicken.  At some point in time, a proto-chicken laid an egg that would hatch the first chickens.  The answer depends on whether you would consider that egg to the the last proto-chicken egg or the first chicken egg.  Personally, I would call it a chicken egg because it contains what would become a chicken, just not necessarily laid by a chicken.

Try again with assuming we are not believe in evolution.

Markjo! That’s not how evolution works really, suddenly being a chicken.