Another mass shooting...

While many disagree with blm riots (i too), they were marching on the overpolicing.

(idc that Floyd was a criminal, the cop should have got off him),

If there were outside, what I call dark forces at play - and I don't say its impossible.

1. Was it Mossad? I think it is a definite but small possibility. They would be doing this for reasons I can't fathom, but still might be a thing. If it was Mossad they are not going to be caught barring a major F up. Their tradecraft is just too good.

2. Was it Antifa? Nope. Negligible chance. This is not their style. They don't have the expertise for this sort of thing. The chance of getting caught would be substantial, at just the time DJT is looking with a magnifying glass for any excuse to brand them a terror org. Don't buy it.

3. Was it Putin? Definite and larger possibility than 1. This is Putin's style and he has the capability.

lol.

Putin huh.

Quote from: Torve on September 13, 2025, 09:28:34 PM

If there were outside, what I call dark forces at play - and I don't say its impossible.

1. Was it Mossad? I think it is a definite but small possibility. They would be doing this for reasons I can't fathom, but still might be a thing. If it was Mossad they are not going to be caught barring a major F up. Their tradecraft is just too good.

2. Was it Antifa? Nope. Negligible chance. This is not their style. They don't have the expertise for this sort of thing. The chance of getting caught would be substantial, at just the time DJT is looking with a magnifying glass for any excuse to brand them a terror org. Don't buy it.

3. Was it Putin? Definite and larger possibility than 1. This is Putin's style and he has the capability.

lol.

Putin huh.

A Trump insider and longtime friend of Charlie Kirk tells The Grayzone how the assassinated conservative leader’s turning point on Israeli influence provoked a private backlash from Netanyahu’s allies that left him angry and afraid.
The source said anxiety spread within the Trump administration after an apparent Israeli spying operation was uncovered.

Charlie Kirk rejected an offer earlier this year from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to arrange a massive new infusion of Zionist money into his Turning Point USA (TPUSA) organization, America’s largest conservative youth association, according to a longtime friend of the slain commentator speaking on the condition of anonymity. The source told The Grayzone that the late pro-Trump influencer believed Netanyahu was trying to cow him into silence as he began to publicly question Israel’s overwhelming influence in Washington and demanded more space to criticize it.

In the weeks leading up to his September 10 assassination, Kirk had come to loathe the Israeli leader, regarding him as a “bully,” the source said. Kirk was disgusted by what he witnessed inside the Trump administration, where Netanyahu sought to personally dictate the president’s personnel decisions, and weaponized Israeli assets like billionaire donor Miriam Adelson to keep the White House firmly under its thumb.

According to Kirk’s friend, who also enjoyed access to President Donald Trump and his inner circle, Kirk strongly warned Trump last June against bombing Iran on Israel’s behalf. “Charlie was the only person who did that,” they said, recalling how Trump “barked at him” in response and angrily shut down the conversation. The source believes the incident confirmed in Kirk’s mind that the president of the United States had fallen under the control of a malign foreign power, and was leading his own country into a series of disastrous conflicts.

By the following month, Kirk had become the target of a sustained private campaign of intimidation and free-floating fury by wealthy and powerful allies of Netanyahu – figures he described in an interview as Jewish “leaders” and “stakeholders.”

“He was afraid of them,” the source emphasized. 
At TPUSA, the rift with Israel widens

Kirk was 18 years old when he launched TPUSA in 2012. From its inception, his career was propelled by Zionist donors, who showered his young organization with money through neoconservative outfits like the David Horowitz Freedom Center. He repaid his wealthy backers over the years by unleashing a relentless firehose of anti-Palestinian and Islamophobic diatribes, accepting propaganda trips to Israel, and sternly shutting down nationalist forces challenging his support for Israel during TPUSA events. In the Trump era, few American gentiles had proved more valuable to the self-proclaimed Jewish state than Charlie Kirk.

But as Israel’s genocidal assault on the besieged Gaza Strip drove an unprecedented backlash within grassroots right-wing circles, where only 24% of younger Republicans now sympathize with Israel over the Palestinians, Kirk began to shift. At times, he toed the Israeli line, spreading disinformation about babies beheaded by Hamas on October 7, and denying the famine imposed on the population of Gaza. Yet he simultaneously ceded to his base, wondering aloud if Jeffrey Epstein was an Israeli intelligence asset, questioning whether the Israeli government allowed the October 7 attacks to proceed in order to advance long-term political goals, and parroting narratives familiar to his most vociferous critic on the right, streamer Nick Fuentes.

This July, at his TPUSA Student Action Summit, Kirk provided a forum for the right-wing grassroots to vent its fury about Israel’s political hammerlock on the Trump administration. There, speakers from former Fox News stalwarts Tucker Carlson and Megyn Kelly, to the anti-Zionist Jewish comedian Dave Smith, denounced Israel’s blood-soaked assault on the besieged Gaza Strip, branded Jeffrey Epstein as an Israeli intelligence asset, and openly taunted Zionist billionaires like Bill Ackman for “getting away with scams” despite having “no actual skills.”

Following the confab, Kirk was bombarded with infuriated text messages and phone calls from Netanyahu’s wealthy allies in the US, including many who had funded TPUSA. According to his longtime friend, the Zionist donors treated Kirk with outright contempt, essentially ordering him to fall back into line.

“He was being told what you’re not allowed to do, and it was driving him crazy,” Kirk’s friend recalled. The conservative youth leader was not only alienated by the hostile nature of the interactions, but “frightened” by the backlash.

The friend’s account dovetails with those of multiple right-wing commentators with access to Kirk.

“I think, in the end, Charlie was going through a spiritual transformation,” Candace Owens, a conservative influencer who shifted decisively against Israel after October 7, reflected after her friend’s killing. “I know it, he was going through a lot. There was a lot of pressure, and it’s hard for me to watch the people who were pressuring him just say the things that they’re saying.”

She continued: “They wanted him to lose everything for changing or even slightly modifying an opinion. It’s very hurtful to me.”

Kirk appeared visibly outraged during an August 6 interview with conservative host Megyn Kelly, as he discussed the menacing messages he was receiving from pro-Israel bigwigs.

“It’s all of the sudden: ‘oh, Charlie: he’s no longer with us.’ Wait a second—what does ‘with us’ mean, exactly? I’m an American, okay? I represent this country,” he explained, before addressing the powerful Zionist interests harassing him.

“The more that you guys privately and publicly call our character into question—which is not isolated, it would be one thing if it were just one text, or two texts; it is dozens of texts—then we start to say, ‘whoa, hold the boat here,’” Kirk continued. “To be fair, some really good Jewish friends say, ‘that’s not all of us’… But these are leaders here. These are stakeholders.”

He went on to complain to Kelly, “I have less ability… to criticize the Israeli government than actual Israelis do. And that’s really, really weird.”

In one of his final interviews, conducted with Israel’s premier influencer in the United States, Ben Shapiro, Kirk once again tried to raise the issue of censorship of Israel critics.

“A friend said to me, interestingly: ‘Charlie, okay, we’ve pushed back against the media on COVID, on lockdowns, on Ukraine, on the border,’” Kirk told Shapiro on September 9. “Maybe we should also ask the question: is the media totally presenting the truth when it comes to Israel? Just a question!”

According to Kirk’s longtime friend, Kirk’s resentment of Netanyahu and the Israel lobby was spreading within Trump’s inner circle. In fact, they said, the president himself was terrified of Netanyahu’s wrath, and feared the consequences of defying him.

During the past year, the Trump insider was told by contacts in the White House that the Secret Service had caught Israeli government personnel placing electronic devices on its emergency response vehicles on two separate occasions.

While The Grayzone was unable to confirm the story with the Secret Service or White House, such an incident would not have been unprecedented. Indeed, according to a report in Politico citing three former senior US officials, a cellphone spying device was placed by Israeli agents “near the White House and other sensitive locations around Washington” toward the end of Trump’s first term in 2019.

Former UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson recounted a similar incident in his memoir, writing that his security team found a listening device in his bathroom soon after Netanyahu used his personal toilet.

https://thegrayzone.com/2025/09/12/charlie-kirk-netanyahu-israel-assassination/

Calling me an anti-semite is not an argument and does nothing to debunk the clear and obvious motive that Israel and Mossad had to kill Charlie Kirk.

Quote from: disputeone on September 14, 2025, 07:38:03 PM

Calling me an anti-semite is not an argument and does nothing to debunk the clear and obvious motive that Israel and Mossad had to kill Charlie Kirk.

You are unable to put into words Mossad's motives. Therefore it doesn't exist.

The unsealing of an application for a search warrant by the federal government on 8chan’s servers has unintentionally revealed that a federal agent has been trolling the site and attempting to redirect the users’ conspiracy theories against the Russian government instead of the CIA or Mossad.

What did he wipe out in the next thought?

BLM protests in 2020 were caused by that stupid cop being filmed with his knee on George Floyd's neck while Floyd died. While that incident, and a few others over the years were terrible (idc that Floyd was a criminal, the cop should have got off him), black people aren't any more "over policed" than any one else in the US.  Poor people who commit crimes, no matter their skin color, have always been subject to "predatory fines".  People who promote that ideology are the same ones who want to defund the police and abolish prisons.

Illegal immigration is a federal issue. I think you are confused about what state rights is referring to.

Can you show me where he said a tyrannical govt should be allowed?

What are you trying to prove with that made up quote? Why do you believe the US has systemic racism? I know it is because the postmodern media have repeated it over and over. Words create reality.

ICE grabbing citizens is bad and wrong. ICE rounding up illegal immigrants is their jurisdiction, even if it is too much and too cruel.

lorddave, that is what I believed for years, too. I don't believe it is true, though. At least not now.

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We have been told that the prisons are full of nonviolent criminals.

Full?  No.  But there is (or was) alot of non-violent drug offenses.  Probably more in For Profit prisons.

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We have been told that the police have been killing unarmed black people at some enormous and terrible rate, but that isn't true.

Depends on your definition of enormous and terrible.

https://cde.ucr.cjis.gov/LATEST/webapp/#/pages/explorer/crime/arrest
According to the FBI's own data:
From 1-1-2024 to 1-1-2025
there were
4,756,375 whites arrested
2,215,248 blacks arrested.
(There are others but none of them break even 200,000 so I'm omitting them.)

https://data.census.gov/all?t=Black+or+African+American&g=010XX00US&y=2020&d=DEC+Demographic+and+Housing+Characteristics
According to the 2020 census data, there are:
41,104,200 blacks in America. (single race)
33.848.943 Two or more races.
204,277,273 whites.

out of a population of 331,449,281.
So, proportionally, blacks (and lets just throw in all mixed races too) should make up the same share of crime as their population.  If all things are equal.
Whites = 65% of the population.
Blacks = 12% of the population.
Two races = 10%

So our Blacks + two races or more is 23% of the total population.   So that means that of all the crime, White should be comitting 65% of the crime and blacks+mixed should be comitting 23%.  Or at least as far as arrests go.
But that's not it.


Total arrests in 2024: 7,471,129
Whites: 64%
Blacks: 30%
The data from the FBI has 0 for multiple races.  Seems odd but that's the data.

So just that we have 12% of the population being 30% of all the arrests.  Oddly enough, whites are arrested almost in direct proportion to their population.

Do you disagree with these numbers or my interpretation of them?

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We were told police bodycams would provide the evidence for police brutality, but it proved the opposite.

But it does.  Not most of the time, of course. And only when they're on to record.  One of the biggest issues departments face with them is that the body cams aren't on for every stop.  Or footage is "lost".  It happens often enough that people noticed.

kabool, if you're going to use things things Charlie Kirk didn't say to prove something, idk what to do with that.

Biden vows to nominate Black woman to U.S. Supreme Court by end of February

You mean they don't want to get rid of DEI because only conservative white males who know what's best for everyone should have jobs?  Sorry for the misunderstanding. 

You mean they don't want to get rid of DEI because only conservative white males who know what's best for everyone should have jobs?  Sorry for the misunderstanding. 

You mean they don't want to get rid of DEI because only conservative white males who know what's best for everyone should have jobs?  Sorry for the misunderstanding.