Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #960 on: September 01, 2017, 08:54:44 AM »
This is because as the video I provided illustrated the Black Sun eclipses the Sun not the Moon.

Which video? Did you provide one from a high-altitude weather balloon you say shows this? I must have missed it.

That other video is a confused mess. Can you explain coherently in any detail what you think it's saying?


You never addressed this. Have you found a video from a high altitude weather balloon that supports your point yet? I didn't think so.

This is the difference between someone normal like me and you Strange Heliocentric 's.

This I why I'm giving you a count down you now have eight days left.

Eight days until a video from a high altitude weather balloon shows the Moon is not eclipsing the Sun.

It's been nineteen days since you announced "eight days until a video from a high altitude weather balloon shows the Moon is not eclipsing the Sun." The eclipse occurred on schedule eight days after that announcement, exactly as predicted by the moon's motion. Where's the "video from a high altitude weather balloon shows the Moon is not eclipsing the Sun"? Can't find one?

I have posted a video that shows that the Moon does not exlipse the Sun.

Where? Does it show the eclipse 11 days ago from a high altitude weather balloon? Don't you remember promising "a video from a high altitude weather balloon [showing] the Moon is not eclipsing the Sun" eight days from nineteen days ago? I highlighted it in your quote above to help jog your memory.

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The video clearly shows the Black Sun which was known as Rahu to the ancients eclipsing the sun.

Is it a high altitude weather balloon video from last week's eclipse? Can we see that one?

Out of curiosity, and to move the discussion along while you try to find the high altitude weather balloon video you claimed would show us something other than the moon eclipsing the sun last week:

When does this "black sun" do the switcheroo with the moon? Is it right before first contact of the moon's penumbra with the earth? Does the moon resume its normal place after its penumbra would leave the surface of the earth. Or does this happen at some other time? If the latter, when? To me, this seems needlessly complicated, but, hey, if you have some convincing evidence that this is indeed what's happening, let's see it! Any evidence at all would be a start.
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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #961 on: September 01, 2017, 01:16:55 PM »
I have posted a video that shows that the Moon does not exlipse the Sun.
The video clearly shows the Black Sun which was known as Rahu to the ancients eclipsing the sun.
No. You posted a video which shows a circular silhouette eclipsing the sun.
That video doesn't have enough info to show if it is the moon or something else, however if you do the math, that round object is where the moon should be.

As such, that black sun is the moon. I don't care if the ancients called in Rahu. We call it the moon.
No point having multiple names for the same thing.

In order to show the moon not eclipsing the sun you need to show us a video of the eclipse where you can still see the moon. Especially as the moon should be quite close to the sun in apparent position as it is a new moon.

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #962 on: September 02, 2017, 01:35:55 PM »
Just a quickie, rahu is a Krishna god object that can not reflect light as it is so black, apparently it follows the moon closely, unseen because of its blackness. When the solar eclipse happens, the moon actually goes behind the sun and rahu passes in front in synchronization.

So its an age old religious thing, so that means Christians, muslims and other religions should NOT believe it, its a false god, false belief, there is no option to mix and match with indoctrination, sorry, I mean religion

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #963 on: September 02, 2017, 02:38:24 PM »
How about a synopsis before I click on something you saw on the interweb.

It's certainly some whack-job flatwad fucktard kunspeerisah video....



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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #964 on: September 03, 2017, 11:42:55 AM »
I have posted a video that shows that the Moon does not exlipse the Sun.
The video clearly shows the Black Sun which was known as Rahu to the ancients eclipsing the sun.
No. You posted a video which shows a circular silhouette eclipsing the sun.
That video doesn't have enough info to show if it is the moon or something else, however if you do the math, that round object is where the moon should be.

As such, that black sun is the moon. I don't care if the ancients called in Rahu. We call it the moon.
No point having multiple names for the same thing.

In order to show the moon not eclipsing the sun you need to show us a video of the eclipse where you can still see the moon. Especially as the moon should be quite close to the sun in apparent position as it is a new moon.

I do not find your criteria for evidence regarding the existence of the Black Sun acceptable.

Anyone that has observed the total eclipse can verify that it is not the Moon .

One would expect to see Earth shine because of the earth's high albedo.

Earth shine has never been observed with the naked eye .

When the eclipse is observed with the naked eye a black object is observed eclipsing the Sun.

When the eclipse is observed with the naked eye the moon is not visible.

The video below demonstrates that it was not the moon eclipsing the Sun ( 30 seconds - 4:00



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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #965 on: September 03, 2017, 11:53:43 AM »
I have posted a video that shows that the Moon does not exlipse the Sun.
The video clearly shows the Black Sun which was known as Rahu to the ancients eclipsing the sun.
No. You posted a video which shows a circular silhouette eclipsing the sun.
That video doesn't have enough info to show if it is the moon or something else, however if you do the math, that round object is where the moon should be.

As such, that black sun is the moon. I don't care if the ancients called in Rahu. We call it the moon.
No point having multiple names for the same thing.

In order to show the moon not eclipsing the sun you need to show us a video of the eclipse where you can still see the moon. Especially as the moon should be quite close to the sun in apparent position as it is a new moon.

I do not find your criteria for evidence regarding the existence of the Black Sun acceptable.

Anyone that has observed the total eclipse can verify that it is not the Moon .

One would expect to see Earth shine because of the earth's high albedo.

Earth shine has never been observed with the naked eye .

When the eclipse is observed with the naked eye a black object is observed eclipsing the Sun.

When the eclipse is observed with the naked eye the moon is not visible.

The video below demonstrates that it was not the moon eclipsing the Sun ( 30 seconds - 4:00



Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.

You weren't supposed to look at the eclipse, that's where you went wrong, you insane nutjob, illiterate, whacko Flattard.

You're supposed to be too busy to bother with it, then look at other people's photos and videos later on.

Besides, don't you know that anyone who watches a video of the Eclipse without glasses on will go blind?

Science is in NO WAY a religion.
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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #966 on: September 03, 2017, 01:30:53 PM »
The video below demonstrates that it was not the moon eclipsing the Sun ( 30 seconds - 4:00
How does it demonstrate that?  A bunch of footage taken by people who can't figure out how it works.  That guy at 4:50 is hilarious.... "It's an hour off!"  Or maybe you confused the time of totality with the time the moon starts eclipsing the sun.

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #967 on: September 03, 2017, 01:40:34 PM »
I have posted a video that shows that the Moon does not exlipse the Sun.
The video clearly shows the Black Sun which was known as Rahu to the ancients eclipsing the sun.
No. You posted a video which shows a circular silhouette eclipsing the sun.
That video doesn't have enough info to show if it is the moon or something else, however if you do the math, that round object is where the moon should be.

As such, that black sun is the moon. I don't care if the ancients called in Rahu. We call it the moon.
No point having multiple names for the same thing.

In order to show the moon not eclipsing the sun you need to show us a video of the eclipse where you can still see the moon. Especially as the moon should be quite close to the sun in apparent position as it is a new moon.

I do not find your criteria for evidence regarding the existence of the Black Sun acceptable.

That statement is just as meaningful as your other mantra, which is to say, not meaningful at all.

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Anyone that has observed the total eclipse can verify that it is not the Moon .

Yeah, sure...  ::)

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One would expect to see Earth shine because of the earth's high albedo.

Just because you expect to see something doesn't mean it's actually possible to see it. Have you calculated how bright the earth-lit side of the moon would is when viewed from earth? Have you compared that to how bright the sun's inner corona and prominences are? If you haven't done that, you're just guessing whether it should be visible or not. If you have calculated this, let's see your data.

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Earth shine has never been observed with the naked eye .

It's easily seen with the naked eye after sunset for several days after the new moon, and before sunrise for several days before a new moon. It used to be called "the old moon in the new moon's arms" and has been known since long before photography was invented. Whether you've seen it or not is irrelevant.

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When the eclipse is observed with the naked eye a black object is observed eclipsing the Sun.

Yes. It's the non-sunlit side of the moon. It's much darker than the sun is, so it appears black by comparison.

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When the eclipse is observed with the naked eye the moon is not visible.
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Um, no... it's visible in silhouette.

The video below demonstrates that it was not the moon eclipsing the Sun ( 30 seconds - 4:00

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In the segment referenced, the narrator intones about "spectrum analyzing" some images in photoshop (whatever the hell that means - I think he's comparing the brightness of the part of the image where the sun is visible to the parts where it's not), and seems to be perplexed because "there's nothing there" where the moon is blocking the direct sunlight. "Nothing there", as in, no direct sunlight? Well, duh!

After cranking the gain way up, the part of the images nearest the sun does show a low-level of light that decreases away from the unobscured sun. Big surprise there, too: real optical systems aren't perfect and scatter some light. Also, there was something about chemtrails, an image created by some instrument he says he doesn't understand, and "top people" working on whatever "issues" he seems to think exist in those images. [Pro Tip] If you're going to be doing radiometric measurements from images, don't use compressed images like jpegs.

The scene following 4:00 has a couple of rubes declaiming that "shadows are in the wrong place" without any information about where they are compared to where they "should be" and why they're expected to be somewhere else. I

Based on the part I saw, I give that video one and one-half stars for production value, but zero stars for content. I quit watching at about 4:45 since it was another obvious waste of time.

Have you found any of the high-altitude balloon videos you asserted "will debunk the Globe" yet? If so, where are those? We're still waiting for them.
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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #968 on: September 03, 2017, 02:03:04 PM »
I like how Science says the Earth (water) isn't reflective, but the moon (gray dirt) is.
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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #969 on: September 03, 2017, 02:15:48 PM »
I do not find your criteria for evidence regarding the existence of the Black Sun acceptable.
Of course you don't, because it means your videos showing the moon eclipsing the sun wouldn't back up your delusional fantasies.

I don't care what you do and don't find acceptable as you have clearly shown that entirely depends on if it backs up or refutes your fantasy or not.
That is not an honest or rational standard to apply.

Anyone that has observed the total eclipse can verify that it is not the Moon .
No, they can't.

One would expect to see Earth shine because of the earth's high albedo.
No. If one was on the near side of the moon they would expect to see it.

You would not expect to see Earth-shine with the naked eye.
Instead of being lit directly by the sun, the moon would be lit by light reflected/scattered off Earth, which then in turn reflects/scatters off the moon to come back to us.
That alone would make it quite hard to see, and then to make it worse for the eclipse, you have the massively bright sun right behind it.

When the eclipse is observed with the naked eye a black object is observed eclipsing the Sun.
No. You cannot tell the colour of the object. All you have is a silhouette.


When the eclipse is observed with the naked eye the moon is not visible.
Because the moon is lit from the other side, so you see the silhouette of the moon instead.

Remember, according to you, the moon should be visible during the day.
The solar eclipse occurs during a new moon, so the moon is out during the day.
The only option left to be the moon is the object blocking the light from the sun.

The video below demonstrates that it was not the moon eclipsing the Sun ( 30 seconds - 4:00
Nope. Once again, all this video shows is that there is a round object eclipsing the sun.
The only way to show it is not the moon eclipsing the sun is to show us where the moon is.

If you can't show us where the moon was when it was meant to be eclipsing the sun, then all the evidence indicates that it is the moon eclipsing the sun and thus all rational people will conclude the moon eclipsed the sun.

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #970 on: September 03, 2017, 03:25:35 PM »

I do not find your criteria for evidence regarding the existence of the Black Sun acceptable.

Anyone that has observed the total eclipse can verify that it is not the Moon .

One would expect to see Earth shine because of the earth's high albedo.

Earth shine has never been observed with the naked eye .
Nobody ever said you could see it with the naked eye.  AAMOF, I told you that you need to take a photograph.  You can do a long exposure to see the details of the moon. 

Your “naked eye” comment is a red herring because you, and any flat earther who cares to try can take a photo yourself to verify.  Until you test it you cannot say it’s not real.

When the eclipse is observed with the naked eye a black object is observed eclipsing the Sun.

When the eclipse is observed with the naked eye the moon is not visible.

The video below demonstrates that it was not the moon eclipsing the Sun ( 30 seconds - 4:00



Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
  You linked video proves nothing.  You’re just obfuscating what really happens with a miss direction...a very poor strawman.  Why not actually try to debunk the earthshine photos?  You’re afraid to because you know you can’t so you’ll just dismiss/ignore them and throw up strawman arguments to misdirect from the truth. 

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #971 on: September 03, 2017, 03:32:41 PM »
I have posted a video that shows that the Moon does not exlipse the Sun.
The video clearly shows the Black Sun which was known as Rahu to the ancients eclipsing the sun.
No. You posted a video which shows a circular silhouette eclipsing the sun.
That video doesn't have enough info to show if it is the moon or something else, however if you do the math, that round object is where the moon should be.

As such, that black sun is the moon. I don't care if the ancients called in Rahu. We call it the moon.
No point having multiple names for the same thing.

In order to show the moon not eclipsing the sun you need to show us a video of the eclipse where you can still see the moon. Especially as the moon should be quite close to the sun in apparent position as it is a new moon.

I do not find your criteria for evidence regarding the existence of the Black Sun acceptable.

That statement is just as meaningful as your other mantra, which is to say, not meaningful at all.

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Anyone that has observed the total eclipse can verify that it is not the Moon .

Yeah, sure...  ::)

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One would expect to see Earth shine because of the earth's high albedo.

Just because you expect to see something doesn't mean it's actually possible to see it. Have you calculated how bright the earth-lit side of the moon would is when viewed from earth? Have you compared that to how bright the sun's inner corona and prominences are? If you haven't done that, you're just guessing whether it should be visible or not. If you have calculated this, let's see your data.

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Earth shine has never been observed with the naked eye .

It's easily seen with the naked eye after sunset for several days after the new moon, and before sunrise for several days before a new moon. It used to be called "the old moon in the new moon's arms" and has been known since long before photography was invented. Whether you've seen it or not is irrelevant.

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When the eclipse is observed with the naked eye a black object is observed eclipsing the Sun.

Yes. It's the non-sunlit side of the moon. It's much darker than the sun is, so it appears black by comparison.

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When the eclipse is observed with the naked eye the moon is not visible.
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Um, no... it's visible in silhouette.

The video below demonstrates that it was not the moon eclipsing the Sun ( 30 seconds - 4:00

" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><worthless video>

In the segment referenced, the narrator intones about "spectrum analyzing" some images in photoshop (whatever the hell that means - I think he's comparing the brightness of the part of the image where the sun is visible to the parts where it's not), and seems to be perplexed because "there's nothing there" where the moon is blocking the direct sunlight. "Nothing there", as in, no direct sunlight? Well, duh!

After cranking the gain way up, the part of the images nearest the sun does show a low-level of light that decreases away from the unobscured sun. Big surprise there, too: real optical systems aren't perfect and scatter some light. Also, there was something about chemtrails, an image created by some instrument he says he doesn't understand, and "top people" working on whatever "issues" he seems to think exist in those images. [Pro Tip] If you're going to be doing radiometric measurements from images, don't use compressed images like jpegs.

The scene following 4:00 has a couple of rubes declaiming that "shadows are in the wrong place" without any information about where they are compared to where they "should be" and why they're expected to be somewhere else. I

Based on the part I saw, I give that video one and one-half stars for production value, but zero stars for content. I quit watching at about 4:45 since it was another obvious waste of time.

Have you found any of the high-altitude balloon videos you asserted "will debunk the Globe" yet? If so, where are those? We're still waiting for them.

Spectrum analyzing, do you think he means the histogram, a nice tool to see how much data was captured between the white and black points thus showing the spread of exposure. I would imagine it would have had big spikes at both ends of the scale, crank it one way and everything is dark, the other way everything is bright of which neither is going to reveal anything, there is just too much contrast
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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #972 on: September 03, 2017, 03:48:14 PM »
I do not find your criteria for evidence regarding the existence of the Black Sun acceptable.
I do not find your criteria for evidence regarding the existence of the Black Sun acceptable.
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Anyone that has observed the total eclipse can verify that it is not the Moon .
No they can't. They see an object starting to block the light from the sun in exactly the location the moon would be expected at that time.
At the time of the peak of the eclipse, the azimuth and elevation of the sun and expected location of moon are exactly the same.
If you disagree, you find the positions of the sun and moon at the time of the eclipse!

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One would expect to see Earth shine because of the earth's high albedo.
No one would not. With such a narrow umbra the Earthshine is just too little to show against of sun's corona.

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Earth shine has never been observed with the naked eye .
Prove that "earth shine has never been observed with the naked eye".
Now, I KNOW you are just spouting meaningless words because you could never prove a negative like that.

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When the eclipse is observed with the naked eye a black object is observed eclipsing the Sun.
Sure, and that object that looks black is the moon.

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When the eclipse is observed with the naked eye the moon is not visible.
The moon can be seen blocking the light from the sun and you have never given any logical reason for the object blocking the sun's light being any other object.

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The video below demonstrates that it was not the moon eclipsing the Sun ( 30 seconds - 4:00
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No it doesn't! But, what a rubbish video! With no solar filter, all that can be seen before totality is just glare from the sun swamping everything.

Why is it that so many flat earthers have never learnt how to use a camera, nor how to interpret the result.
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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #973 on: September 03, 2017, 07:19:22 PM »
I like how Science says the Earth (water) isn't reflective, but the moon (gray dirt) is.
Where does "Science" say "the Earth (water) isn't reflective"?
"Albedo" is a term astronomers ("star" scientists) give to the amount of light reflected by a body compared to the incident light.
         
Object
     
Albedo
         
Venus
     
0.84
         
Earth
     
0.37
         
Moon
     
0.11
         
Mars
     
0.15
Venus is covered in a thick cloud layer that reflects light very well in all directions.
Earth is covered in a mixture of land that does not reflect very well, clouds and then oceans that might reflect much more light, but much of it away from the observer.
The moon is covered in dull brownish grey dusty rock that does not reflect light well at all, but what it does reflect goes in all directions almost equally.
Then Mars is similar to the moon, but the soil and rocks are no quite so dark.

A very relevant point here is the comparison of the types of refraction from water and a surface like the moon.
There is a "lesson" on this in Reflection and the Ray Model of Light - Lesson 1 - Reflection and its Importance, Specular vs. Diffuse Reflection and here are a couple of disgrams from that:
Smooth surfaces such as a mirror or the surface of still water cause what we call a Specular Reflection where an incoming ray of light is reflected in a single direction.

Roughened surfaces such as a rough rock or soil cause what we call a DiffuseReflection where an incoming ray of light is reflected in almost equally in all directions.

The surface of rough water has some of the properties of each as the waves cause reflections in many directions. Usually, some specular reflection is observed as a "hot spot" at the expected reflection point.
This hot spot is seen on some satellite photos of earth and some photos from aircraft and is the cause of the "stairway to the sun or moon" effect.

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #974 on: September 03, 2017, 07:58:01 PM »
One would expect to see Earth shine because of the earth's high albedo.
Why would one expect that?

The earth's albedo is about 0.37.

The moon's albedo is about 0.11.

That means that of the 37% of the sun's light that is reflected to the moon, only 11% of that earthshine is reflected back to the observer in the form of moonshine.

Compare that to the 100% of the sun's light that's back lighting the moon.

Earth shine has never been observed with the naked eye .
Actually, it has been by just about every astronaut who went to LEO or the moon.

When the eclipse is observed with the naked eye a black object is observed eclipsing the Sun.
Which is consistent with a severely back lit moon.

When the eclipse is observed with the naked eye the moon is not visible.
When the eclipse is observed with the naked eye, people tend to burn out their retinas.
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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #975 on: September 03, 2017, 08:48:46 PM »
I like how Science says the Earth (water) isn't reflective, but the moon (gray dirt) is.
Where does "Science" say "the Earth (water) isn't reflective"?
"Albedo" is a term astronomers ("star" scientists) give to the amount of light reflected by a body compared to the incident light.
         
Object
     
Albedo
         
Venus
     
0.84
         
Earth
     
0.37
         
Moon
     
0.11
         
Mars
     
0.15
Venus is covered in a thick cloud layer that reflects light very well in all directions.
Earth is covered in a mixture of land that does not reflect very well, clouds and then oceans that might reflect much more light, but much of it away from the observer.
The moon is covered in dull brownish grey dusty rock that does not reflect light well at all, but what it does reflect goes in all directions almost equally.
Then Mars is similar to the moon, but the soil and rocks are no quite so dark.

A very relevant point here is the comparison of the types of refraction from water and a surface like the moon.
There is a "lesson" on this in Reflection and the Ray Model of Light - Lesson 1 - Reflection and its Importance, Specular vs. Diffuse Reflection and here are a couple of disgrams from that:
Smooth surfaces such as a mirror or the surface of still water cause what we call a Specular Reflection where an incoming ray of light is reflected in a single direction.

Roughened surfaces such as a rough rock or soil cause what we call a DiffuseReflection where an incoming ray of light is reflected in almost equally in all directions.

The surface of rough water has some of the properties of each as the waves cause reflections in many directions. Usually, some specular reflection is observed as a "hot spot" at the expected reflection point.
This hot spot is seen on some satellite photos of earth and some photos from aircraft and is the cause of the "stairway to the sun or moon" effect.

You must realize that when a simple offhand comment commands a multi-paragraphical retort, with illustrations, it doesn't so much discredit the aforementioned comment's point as it does validate it.

When you attempt to educate me as if a child, it doesn't bring more people to your side.

What is more reflective, water or chalky powder?

It really is that simple.  ;D
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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #976 on: September 04, 2017, 12:31:14 AM »
What is more reflective, water or chalky powder?

It really is that simple.  ;D
It isn't. And you said that Science says that water does not reflect. Where does anyone say that?
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #977 on: September 04, 2017, 02:05:48 AM »
When you attempt to educate me as if a child, it doesn't bring more people to your side.
What is more reflective, water or chalky powder?
It really is that simple.  ;D
When you make a childish unsubstantiated post like
I like how Science says the Earth (water) isn't reflective, but the moon (gray dirt) is.
I figure you need a bit of explanation,  but I don't see why you say that was an "attempt to educate me as if a child".
How many children understand the difference between specular and diffuse reflection?
And many flat earthers post totally ridiculous videos about hot spots  that supposedly prove a close sun.

As I pointed out in the earlier post, the earth reflects a much bigger fraction of the incident light than  the moon.

This distinction between specular and diffuse reflection is very relevant to answering  "What is more reflective, water or chalky powder?"

But the fact remains that the earth with its mix of water, cloud and land reflacts about 37% of the incident light and the moon only about 11%.

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #978 on: September 04, 2017, 02:24:53 AM »
You must realize that when a simple offhand comment commands a multi-paragraphical retort, with illustrations, it doesn't so much discredit the aforementioned comment's point as it does validate it.
No, it shows your point to be wrong.

What is more reflective, water or chalky powder?

It really is that simple.  ;D
What kind of reflection?
I can see images formed in reflections off water. I can't see that with chalk.

Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #979 on: September 04, 2017, 06:56:19 AM »
I do not find your criteria for evidence regarding the existence of the Black Sun acceptable.
Of course you don't, because it means your videos showing the moon eclipsing the sun wouldn't back up your delusional fantasies.

I don't care what you do and don't find acceptable as you have clearly shown that entirely depends on if it backs up or refutes your fantasy or not.
That is not an honest or rational standard to apply.

Anyone that has observed the total eclipse can verify that it is not the Moon .
No, they can't.

One would expect to see Earth shine because of the earth's high albedo.
No. If one was on the near side of the moon they would expect to see it.

You would not expect to see Earth-shine with the naked eye.
Instead of being lit directly by the sun, the moon would be lit by light reflected/scattered off Earth, which then in turn reflects/scatters off the moon to come back to us.
That alone would make it quite hard to see, and then to make it worse for the eclipse, you have the massively bright sun right behind it.

When the eclipse is observed with the naked eye a black object is observed eclipsing the Sun.
No. You cannot tell the colour of the object. All you have is a silhouette.


When the eclipse is observed with the naked eye the moon is not visible.
Because the moon is lit from the other side, so you see the silhouette of the moon instead.

Remember, according to you, the moon should be visible during the day.
The solar eclipse occurs during a new moon, so the moon is out during the day.
The only option left to be the moon is the object blocking the light from the sun.

The video below demonstrates that it was not the moon eclipsing the Sun ( 30 seconds - 4:00
Nope. Once again, all this video shows is that there is a round object eclipsing the sun.
The only way to show it is not the moon eclipsing the sun is to show us where the moon is.

If you can't show us where the moon was when it was meant to be eclipsing the sun, then all the evidence indicates that it is the moon eclipsing the sun and thus all rational people will conclude the moon eclipsed the sun.

You speak absolute nonsense.

The Moon does not have to be visible elsewhere in the sky whilst the Black Sun is eclipsing the Sun.

It is not up to you to determine the criteria of satisfactory evidence regarding the Black Sun eclipsing the Sun.

The video below clearly shows that the Moon is not in front of the Sun.

The spectrum analyser shows the Sun is giving it's light off as expected for an object that shape,  if the Moon was eclipsing the sun as you Heliocentrics claim there would not be an even distribution of light around the Sun .

You and your brethren can not explain the evenly distributed light around the Sun regarding the video footage taken of the eclipse provided .

The evenly distributed light shown by the spectrum analysers show there is NO solid object in front of the Sun .

The video also highlighted how NASA got their timing wrong .

We have all observed how the moon moves across the sky ;  in an hour it moves roughly 15 degrees to the observer on the ground.

At 13:30 on the video an hour before NASA predicted the eclipse we can observe from the video footage that the Black Sun has already started interfering with the Sun.

The above would be impossible if it was the Moon eclipsing the Sun as the Moon would be an estimated  few degrees away to the observer at 13:30  .
The Heliocentric model does not match the reality that has been observed and verified as such it is not acceptable .

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #980 on: September 04, 2017, 07:13:31 AM »
We have all observed how the moon moves across the sky ;  in an hour it moves roughly 15 degrees to the observer on the ground.
Yes, but how fast does the moon move relative to the sun (which also moves 15 degrees per hour)?
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #981 on: September 04, 2017, 07:54:52 AM »
We have all observed how the moon moves across the sky ;  in an hour it moves roughly 15 degrees to the observer on the ground.
Yes, but how fast does the moon move relative to the sun (which also moves 15 degrees per hour)?

No you are incorrect.

The Moon moves faster through the sky than the Sun .

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.


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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #982 on: September 04, 2017, 08:09:32 AM »
We have all observed how the moon moves across the sky ;  in an hour it moves roughly 15 degrees to the observer on the ground.
Yes, but how fast does the moon move relative to the sun (which also moves 15 degrees per hour)?

No you are incorrect.

The Moon moves faster through the sky than the Sun .
Yes, but how much faster?
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #983 on: September 04, 2017, 10:13:40 AM »
No you are incorrect.

The Moon moves faster through the sky than the Sun .
I am also interested how fast sun and moon move? How much kilometers per hour? Or miles if you don't like km's.
Rowbotham had bad eyesight
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.

Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #984 on: September 04, 2017, 10:23:19 AM »
No you are incorrect.

The Moon moves faster through the sky than the Sun .
I am also interested how fast sun and moon move? How much kilometers per hour? Or miles if you don't like km's.

Are you familiar with an App called Google ?

It's full of your Heliocentric diarrhea .

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False. 

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #985 on: September 04, 2017, 10:44:29 AM »
No you are incorrect.

The Moon moves faster through the sky than the Sun .
I am also interested how fast sun and moon move? How much kilometers per hour? Or miles if you don't like km's.

Are you familiar with an App called Google ?

It's full of your Heliocentric diarrhea .
In other words, you don't know.

Well, the moon moves about 1/2 degree per hour faster than the sun.

That's why a solar eclipse takes about an hour from first contact to totality.

It's also why you wouldn't expect to see the moon several hours before or after a solar eclipse.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
Quote from: Robosteve
Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
Quote from: bullhorn
It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #986 on: September 04, 2017, 11:14:19 AM »
No you are incorrect.

The Moon moves faster through the sky than the Sun .
I am also interested how fast sun and moon move? How much kilometers per hour? Or miles if you don't like km's.

Are you familiar with an App called Google ?

It's full of your Heliocentric diarrhea .
In other words, you don't know.

Well, the moon moves about 1/2 degree per hour faster than the sun.

That's why a solar eclipse takes about an hour from first contact to totality.

It's also why you wouldn't expect to see the moon several hours before or after a solar eclipse.

Incorrect.

Totality lasts a few minutes .

So as you have just said  ;)  the Moon moves 0.5 degrees an hour as such the Solar eclipse is impossible on your model.

Your model doesn't match reality .

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #987 on: September 04, 2017, 11:39:35 AM »
All of the bitchslapping, and yet I.i.B. is still here. You gotta give him points for being that stubborn...  :-\
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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #988 on: September 04, 2017, 11:43:30 AM »
Incorrect.

Totality lasts a few minutes .

So as you have just said  ;)  the Moon moves 0.5 degrees an hour as such the Solar eclipse is impossible on your model.

Your model doesn't match reality .

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
I think they will have some ''Heliocentric diarrhea'' up their sleeves to explain every possible inconsistancy  ;D ;D ;D
Brilliant phrasing RiF !!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #989 on: September 04, 2017, 11:44:56 AM »
No you are incorrect.

The Moon moves faster through the sky than the Sun .
I am also interested how fast sun and moon move? How much kilometers per hour? Or miles if you don't like km's.

Are you familiar with an App called Google ?

It's full of your Heliocentric diarrhea .
In other words, you don't know.

Well, the moon moves about 1/2 degree per hour faster than the sun.

That's why a solar eclipse takes about an hour from first contact to totality.

It's also why you wouldn't expect to see the moon several hours before or after a solar eclipse.

Incorrect.

Totality lasts a few minutes .

So as you have just said  ;)  the Moon moves 0.5 degrees an hour as such the Solar eclipse is impossible on your model.
::)

Do you even know how an eclipse works?

It takes about an hour from the time that moon first makes contact with the sun until totality.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.