Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.

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rabinoz

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #210 on: September 24, 2016, 08:25:43 PM »
And as I said before, I am not specialist in orbital mechanics and as far I know, neither is anyone else here.

And neither am I nor anyone else you slave.

As far as I can see it has nothing to do with whether the earth is a Globe or not.

So, if you want answers go find them out for yourself - you might the sums a bit hard though!

Did you just call me a slave?

Heres the original unedited quote so no one can claim I took it out of context.
<< yes, I believe you! >>

I do so humbly apologise Your Majesty, did I hurt your feelings?
I do readily admit to making a typo, probably more times than I would like.

I did not intend to call you a slave,
but you seem to be thinking that we are your slaves, demanding that we show explanations for all sorts of things when you can do the research yourself.

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #211 on: September 24, 2016, 08:56:53 PM »
Still waiting for those questions to be answered....

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #212 on: October 01, 2016, 08:26:33 AM »
Still waiting for those questions to be answered....

You are so right!

To go back to my original unanswered questions would be nice!
Really, how are the Earth and Moons gravitational fields calculated and corrected for in orbiting objects paths?
Unless they are stationary, the fluctuations, however slight must be accounted for.
Trying to tell me over and over that I've been answered already is not going to make it more true!
Having been told that it is possible to measure Earth incorrectly, I would like to know how that is possible as well.

This is the only answer so far!

The moons effect upon the satellite causes it to go up and down and rotate.

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #213 on: October 01, 2016, 11:15:18 AM »
Why do you think people on here would know the calculations?

ANNIHILATOR OF  SHIFTER

It's no slur if it's fact.

Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #214 on: October 04, 2016, 06:32:00 PM »
Big supercomputer simulations.
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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #215 on: October 04, 2016, 09:47:22 PM »
Still waiting for those questions to be answered....

You are so right!

To go back to my original unanswered questions would be nice!
Really, how are the Earth and Moons gravitational fields calculated and corrected for in orbiting objects paths?
Unless they are stationary, the fluctuations, however slight must be accounted for.
Trying to tell me over and over that I've been answered already is not going to make it more true!
Having been told that it is possible to measure Earth incorrectly, I would like to know how that is possible as well.

This is the only answer so far!

The moons effect upon the satellite causes it to go up and down and rotate.

Baloney.   I gave you many detailed answers over many days to many different questions which all said more or less the same thing.   We know the measurements with sufficient accuracy the inaccuracies are of no consequence at all where you are continually claiming we do not know.  We do know with sufficient accuracy.

Simply repeating the same claim again and again and again and again is just stupid. 
« Last Edit: October 04, 2016, 09:49:15 PM by Aliveandkicking »

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N30

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #216 on: October 04, 2016, 10:04:04 PM »
it is possible to measure Earth incorrectly, I would like to know how that is possible as well.

Answer me.

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #217 on: October 04, 2016, 10:27:57 PM »
it is possible to measure Earth incorrectly, I would like to know how that is possible as well.

Answer me.

I do not understand the question.  Surely you can understand how to measure something incorrectly?

What is your question????

If you measure the amount your house is out from being truely level with the best instruments on Earth you will almost certainly find your house is very significantly not level by some amount plus or minus some amount of uncertainty.      The uncertainty amount is not important because it is so small compared to the part you can reasonably assume to be accurate.   If hundreds of people do the same survey of your house they will all say the same thing unless mistakes were made. 

We know the shape of the Earth with great accuracy where the uncertainies in the measurements are so small they do not matter to be able to talk intelligently about the shape of the Earth.

Your focus on inaccuracies is just pointlessly stupid obfuscation.   It is just another one of your lies.
« Last Edit: October 04, 2016, 10:38:27 PM by Aliveandkicking »

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #218 on: October 04, 2016, 10:41:04 PM »
Have you used a tape measure before N30? It is a dying art but may clear up how you can measure something incorrectly.

I agree with AAK on this one, I don't understand your question.

In my job I need to measure within .5 of a milimeter sometimes over 30+ metres, it is exceedingly easy to "measure something incorrectly."
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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N30

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #219 on: October 05, 2016, 03:31:27 PM »
I did not say "something". I said Earth. The ground we walk on. A giant flat desert. Measure that incorrectly for me.

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #220 on: October 05, 2016, 04:04:24 PM »
Distance between bricks.

Correct



Incorrect



The bottom measurement is incorrrect by 5mm.

 
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #221 on: October 05, 2016, 04:19:56 PM »
Distance between bricks.

Correct



Incorrect



The bottom measurement is incorrrect by 5mm.
AHA! So you ARE a Mason, huh?!

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disputeone

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #222 on: October 05, 2016, 04:26:07 PM »
Notice how the tape measure and shadow make a V?

There are also nine protruding bricks in the picture,
3+3+3 = 9.

Ok you were right totes, or did I do it on purpose??

Illuminati confirmed.
« Last Edit: October 05, 2016, 04:28:03 PM by disputeone »
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Aliveandkicking

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #223 on: October 05, 2016, 09:10:52 PM »
I did not say "something". I said Earth. The ground we walk on. A giant flat desert. Measure that incorrectly for me.

Since you are expecting people to help you (I am assuming),    why is it impossible for you to write out what you are thinking about so your question can be answered?

What do you mean by 'how do you measure Earth incorrectly?'   and more importantly to me,  why are you demanding such a strangely phrased question is answered??????????????

There is a right way and a wrong way.  We do not need to concern ourselves with wrong ways.

You are obviously messing with us.  It is what you do.   You are obfuscating and just playing around for some purpose that is not obvious.



« Last Edit: October 05, 2016, 11:09:56 PM by Aliveandkicking »

Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #224 on: October 05, 2016, 09:55:05 PM »
I just tossed my ruler on Tue floor, and the earth reached the end of the ruler.

Therefore, I conclude that the earth is one foot long.

I also measured it incorrectly.
I wonder how obnoxious I can make my signature?
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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #225 on: October 06, 2016, 02:06:51 AM »
I did not say "something". I said Earth. The ground we walk on. A giant flat desert. Measure that incorrectly for me.

I don't live in a desert,   but I can measure anything you like incorrectly.   Your IQ perhaps?

N30 might be an automated troll?   AI reaches a new low.
Stop gilding the pickle, you demisexual aromantic homoflexible snowflake.

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rabinoz

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #226 on: October 06, 2016, 05:38:52 PM »
I did not say "something". I said Earth. The ground we walk on. A giant flat desert. Measure that incorrectly for me.

I don't live in a desert,   but I can measure anything you like incorrectly.   Your IQ perhaps?

N30 might be an automated troll?   AI reaches a new low.
What about IQ(N30) = (-25600)(1/2)?
Could that be interpreted to mean that N30 imagines his IQ to be at the genius level.

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Rayzor

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #227 on: October 06, 2016, 05:58:58 PM »
I did not say "something". I said Earth. The ground we walk on. A giant flat desert. Measure that incorrectly for me.

I don't live in a desert,   but I can measure anything you like incorrectly.   Your IQ perhaps?

N30 might be an automated troll?   AI reaches a new low.
What about IQ(N30) = (-25600)(1/2)?
Could that be interpreted to mean that N30 imagines his IQ to be at the genius level.

For N30's IQ,  I'd regard the set of incorrect numbers to be any value of x that satisfies  x>0 

:)
Stop gilding the pickle, you demisexual aromantic homoflexible snowflake.

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rabinoz

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #228 on: January 03, 2017, 11:41:45 PM »
I did not say "something". I said Earth. The ground we walk on. A giant flat desert. Measure that incorrectly for me.
Since you are expecting people to help you (I am assuming),    why is it impossible for you to write out what you are thinking about so your question can be answered?
What do you mean by 'how do you measure Earth incorrectly?'   and more importantly to me,  why are you demanding such a strangely phrased question is answered??????????????

There is a right way and a wrong way.  We do not need to concern ourselves with wrong ways.

You are obviously messing with us.  It is what you do.   You are obfuscating and just playing around for some purpose that is not obvious.

Quite irrelevant, bears no relation to the OP, unless you are now claiming that the earth is an  ::) inverted pyramid  ::).
In case you have forgotten, the question in the OP was
Why is Earth officially defined as on oblate spheroid wider south of equatorial locations, making a pear shape.
As far as I have seen no photo from "space" shows this.
Keep in mind that mathematics cannot ignore such imperfections.
Ergo, all equations assuming Earth is a sphere must be re evaluated.
Unless Scientific American is lying, Earth is not even a perfect oblate spheroid.
Please explain why large errors and approximations are accepted as true for calculating the shape of our planet.
"Our globe, however, is not even a perfect oblate spheroid, because mass is distributed unevenly within the planet. The greater a concentration of mass is, the stronger its gravitational pull, "creating bumps around the globe,"
Above quote from - http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/earth-is-not-round/
Here is a website that specifically bashes flat Earthers, yet, assumes the Earth is a perfect sphere in its calculations.
https://chizzlewit.wordpress.com/2015/05/13/working-with-the-curvaure-of-a-spherical-earth/
Besides, the question asked in the OP has been answerved.

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rabinoz

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #229 on: January 04, 2017, 02:35:09 PM »
Besides, the question asked in the OP has been answerved.
Yes, your question was answered!
Difference between equatorial and polar diameters is 0.35%.
With error of 0.35% you can use approximation from "almost-circle" to "circle".

Draw ellipse 7.898 inches high and 7.926 inches wide.
Would you be able to see the deformation of 0.028 inches?
The thickness of the line you draw is 0.7 milimeters, which is roughly 0.028 inches.

You could google this for yourself:

"The mean radius of Earth is 3,959 miles (6,371 kilometers).
However, Earth is not quite a sphere.
The planet's rotation causes it to bulge at the equator.
Earth's equatorial diameter is 7,926 miles (12,756 km),
but from pole to pole, the diameter is 7,898 miles (12,714 km)
 — a difference of only 28 miles (42 km)."

So, equator is 14 miles farther from the center of the earth than poles.
So, "With error of 0.35% you can use approximation from "almost-circle" to "circle"."

But it is not precisely an oblate spheroid (ellipsoid). The exact shape deviates very slightly from this and is "a little chubbier south of the equator". You might have read:

The actual shape of the earth is described as the "Geoid":
Quote from: Wikipedia
Geoid
The geoid is the shape that the surface of the oceans would take under the influence of Earth's gravitation and rotation alone, in the absence of other influences such as winds and tides. This surface is extended through the continents (such as with very narrow hypothetical canals). All points on the geoid have the same gravity potential energy (the sum of gravitational potential energy and centrifugal potential energy). The force of gravity acts everywhere perpendicular to the geoid, meaning that plumb lines point perpendicular and water levels parallel to the geoid.
Much more in Wikipedia, Geoid

This is not a simple shape as it is a sphere distorted by rotation and by the unequal distribution masses around the earth.
Quote from: Wikipedia, Geoid, Description
Description
The geoid surface is irregular, unlike the reference ellipsoid, which is a mathematical idealized representation of the physical Earth, but considerably smoother than Earth's physical surface. Although the physical Earth has excursions of +8,848 m (Mount Everest) and −429 m (Dead Sea), the geoid's variation ranges from −106 to +85 m, less than 200 m total compared to a perfect mathematical ellipsoid.[/size]

Because the actual geoid is so complicated a reference ellipsoid is used as a mathematical model for calculation purposes.
As noted above the differences are small, ranging from −106 to +85 m.

Simpler and more complex "mathematical models" are used depending on the application.

So the earth is not exactly an ellipsoid (an oblate spheroid), but is close enough to one for most purposes.

The comment that it is "slightly pear-shaped" comes from the fact that South of the Equator the earth is minutely bigger than North of the Equator, though still within this −106 to +85 m of the perfect mathematical ellipsoid.

So his "Royal Perfection, the Most Precise Majestic NXXX" demands absolute precision!
Tough cheese
In this life we have to accept that not everything can be done with absolute precision. The earth is not a "mathematical geometric body". It is a real physical object made up earth, rock, water etc and the only way to determine its size and shape is to measure it!

So it has been measured, in the early days by simple instruments, then to laser interferometers etc and finally to satellites.

So the shape is now defined as a reference ellipsoid with very small deviations of −106 to +85 m of the perfect mathematical ellipsoid, and this final shape is known as the "geoid".
The relative errors involved here are -0.0017% to 0.0013% in the earth's radius.
Now if The Great Bag Full of Useless Hot-air (AKA N30) is not satisfied with that, I respectfully suggest he get out his trusty Lufkin tape
and measure it for himself!
Yes, your Royal Perfection, the Most Precise Majestic NXXX, your question in the OP has been answered.

Now, just to prove that you are not a hypocrite, your Wiki, which you undoubtedly accept without question states that:
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The figure of 24,900 miles is the diameter of the known world; the area which the light from the sun affects.
Please show me exactly where that figure came from. Remember, it is supposedly a flat earth, so measurements shouls be easy.
Prove to my satisfaction that it is 24,900 miles and not 24,899 miles or 24,901 miles. There, a whole mile tolerance!

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #230 on: January 04, 2017, 02:51:00 PM »
Well that's that cleared up by Rabinoz......
And here are some rather nice photographs of our earth taken over recent months from shhh...you know where...

https://www.theguardian.com/science/gallery/2016/dec/29/the-earth-in-2016-as-seen-from-space-in-pictures



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N30

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #231 on: September 29, 2017, 09:44:10 AM »
I find it amusing that some mountains reach far into the sky.

Actually some can supposedly be seen from space.
Mighty are these mountains in their stature.

Nevertheless. the horizon line of all these alleged space pictures, showing curvature...
Every single one...
Only ever shows a perfectly trim curve, unaltered in its perfection, no hill or mountain in sight...

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N30

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #232 on: September 29, 2017, 09:59:18 AM »


Wow! Here's one with mountains!
Ah, wait, never mind it's a painting.
Keep in mind, the curve of Earth can be visible at what height again?
Everyone knows that it is 35,000 ft? No... 50,000 ft? Hmmm... 70,000 ft? Idk actually...

Unless people wish to dispute that mountains can rise above 20,000 ft or more...
People should be able to see them, while also seeing the curve of Earth, or am I wrong?


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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #233 on: September 29, 2017, 10:11:29 AM »


Wow! Here's one with mountains!
Ah, wait, never mind it's a painting.
Keep in mind, the curve of Earth can be visible at what height again?
Everyone knows that it is 35,000 ft? No... 50,000 ft? Hmmm... 70,000 ft? Idk actually...

Unless people wish to dispute that mountains can rise above 20,000 ft or more...
People should be able to see them, while also seeing the curve of Earth, or am I wrong?

The highest mountains are 5.5 miles tall and the ISS is 254 miles up. That means the mountains only reach 2.1% of the distance to the ISS. Thats just height and there are more factors like distance to the horizon,etc.
I wouldnt be surprised if in the right conditions and with the right camera you might see something.
Facts are stubborn things and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.
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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #234 on: September 29, 2017, 04:36:23 PM »
What does the distance to the ISS have to do with my point?
Or do you think the ISS's height defines where the curve becomes visible?
What is the height at which the curvature of Earth is visible from sea level?

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #235 on: September 29, 2017, 04:41:13 PM »
What is the height at which the curvature of Earth is visible from sea level?
wat
quod erat demonstrandum

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #237 on: September 29, 2017, 05:51:13 PM »

Your mountains are way out of scale.  The radius of the Earth is about 4,000 miles and the highest mountains are only about 5 miles.  They'd be barely a blip on that scale.

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #238 on: October 01, 2017, 08:24:27 AM »
The *alleged* radius of Earth is 4000 miles.
I challenge you to verify that supposed fact.
Maybe I missed something but not all visual aids are to scale, and certainly not all those concerning Earth.
Ever cross your mind to actually address the two points I brought up recently?

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #239 on: October 01, 2017, 02:20:14 PM »
What does the distance to the ISS have to do with my point?
Or do you think the ISS's height defines where the curve becomes visible?
What is the height at which the curvature of Earth is visible from sea level?
The height at sea level is, sea level and the curve, as such is not visible from there.
Although the fact that the horizon, assuming a calm clear day looking out over the ocean, is evidence of said curve.  It is a hard, defined line.  Not what would happen on a flat earth.
Not sure what your point was here.