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Why do you support donald trump

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #27060 on: June 22, 2026, 06:26:55 AM »
I'm saying that if you fill at a charging station, and a wind turbine is a the north of you, 50 houses are in between you and the turbine, every single house and their AC, heated pools, refrigerators, etc cuts into what gets to you, until you need more than the intended original amount.That's not even talking about bad lines or loss in conversion stuff, just that the five gallon fill-up equivalent for EV is more like 10 gallons because you're sharing all that energy. And as more people go on using energy, they are competing with the drivers for electricity. Hmmmm, why is my electricity bill so high this month? Maybe because every fucking driver is on the same grid as every homeowner?

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And as I explained, you can't.  The literal physical laws of reality prevent this.  Why?  Because when you combust gasoline, it releases energy.  You can't choose what kind of energy it releases or in what percentage. 

You can though. Efficiency is lost because of heat transfer. Less conduction of heat, more kinetic energy transfer to work. You can build pistons out of copper(high conduction, low melt point) or tunsten, for example. Energy is still lost, but an internal combustion engine made of wood parts (hahahahahaha!!!) has significantly more energy lost and lasts significantly less time (by that, I mean, it burns immediately) than a engine of decent materials. ICE can still be tinkered with. If you want something really fucked over by the laws of physics, it's actually EVs. No matter what type of kettle you have, the energy needed to bring it to a boil is the same. Well, the EV has the same energy, and not only isn't it enough to charge within 15 minutes, but it puts increased strain on other energy uses. They can only work on energy storage capacity and range, not on the physical reality of same energy for same task. EVs cannot become more efficient. But you can use less conductive and more durable metals, have more oil viscosity, etc. Energy still gets lost, yes. You can change piston design. Energy is still lost, yes. But at some point, 60% becomes 40% becomes 15% becomes the physical limit. This is shown in mpg ratings.
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Vehicles in the 1920s had an average fuel efficiency of 14 miles per gallon, while by the 2020s, the average for light-duty vehicles is approximately 25.3 miles per gallon. This indicates a significant improvement in fuel efficiency over the century.
In fact, much of this was thanks to the EPA.
https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/50-years-epas-automotive-trends-report
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Since 1975, vehicle miles per gallon in the United States has improved from 13.1 mpg to 27.1 mpg in 2023.
And some cars get even more than that!
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The best gas mileage car for 2026 is the Toyota Prius, with an EPA-estimated 57 mpg in mixed driving conditions.
But the auto industry doesn't want the average car to be too fuel efficient, or this would undermine their vested interest with the oil industry.

Engineering is about making the physic laws work, and in fact engines are more efficient than they were 30 years ago. The so-called environmental lobbies just ignore this and pretend their still-havent-worked-out-the-bugs EVs are ready to go.

Fun fact. EVs are not a new invention. They have been around since the 1800s. They sucked then. They suck a little less now. But being stranded is still a major issue. With a car, you can carry a gas can, and be back in business. Feasibility of dragging a plug? Zero. And it takes hours to recharge, so you're stuck at a charging station. Until you have cars using a power pack instead of a plug, you're stuck with a portability problem and a charge time problem.

In the California fires? Hop in your car, drive away. A flood? Hop in your car, drive away. Oh shucks though, we turned off the electricity because it was unsafe during this fire and flood, so all of you people with EVs are doomed. If the 10 hour recharge and low range and portability wasn't enough.

Btw, this is New Coke. A company designing a product so terrible that people will want the old back. There is no way anyone would build batteries that heavy that are that energy inefficient. Not if they were seriously wanting EV to replace ICE. This is companies selling a con, and hoping enough people will buy before it gets exposed.

It's all too obvious that the gas lobby created this trend because cars are becoming more efficient, and they want to rarify gas consumption for more profit. "Oh, EVs are more common now, we only need to build gas stations every twenty miles instead of every 5 miles!" Yeah, great savings if you can get them. Spent 1/4 build gas stations and charge 4 times as much because "demand is down." No it's not, you just made hype, and people are nudged to buy the new tech. Only they don't trust the new tech because it still doesn't work!
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #27061 on: June 22, 2026, 09:26:36 AM »
I'm saying that if you fill at a charging station, and a wind turbine is a the north of you, 50 houses are in between you and the turbine, every single house and their AC, heated pools, refrigerators, etc cuts into what gets to you, until you need more than the intended original amount.That's not even talking about bad lines or loss in conversion stuff, just that the five gallon fill-up equivalent for EV is more like 10 gallons because you're sharing all that energy. And as more people go on using energy, they are competing with the drivers for electricity. Hmmmm, why is my electricity bill so high this month? Maybe because every fucking driver is on the same grid as every homeowner?
Yes, supply and demand is a thing.  Now, can you make your own gasoline at home?  No.  But you can make your own electricity.


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And as I explained, you can't.  The literal physical laws of reality prevent this.  Why?  Because when you combust gasoline, it releases energy.  You can't choose what kind of energy it releases or in what percentage. 

You can though. Efficiency is lost because of heat transfer. Less conduction of heat, more kinetic energy transfer to work. You can build pistons out of copper(high conduction, low melt point) or tunsten, for example. Energy is still lost, but an internal combustion engine made of wood parts (hahahahahaha!!!) has significantly more energy lost and lasts significantly less time (by that, I mean, it burns immediately) than a engine of decent materials. ICE can still be tinkered with. If you want something really fucked over by the laws of physics, it's actually EVs. No matter what type of kettle you have, the energy needed to bring it to a boil is the same. Well, the EV has the same energy, and not only isn't it enough to charge within 15 minutes, but it puts increased strain on other energy uses. They can only work on energy storage capacity and range, not on the physical reality of same energy for same task. EVs cannot become more efficient. But you can use less conductive and more durable metals, have more oil viscosity, etc. Energy still gets lost, yes. You can change piston design. Energy is still lost, yes. But at some point, 60% becomes 40% becomes 15% becomes the physical limit. This is shown in mpg ratings.
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Vehicles in the 1920s had an average fuel efficiency of 14 miles per gallon, while by the 2020s, the average for light-duty vehicles is approximately 25.3 miles per gallon. This indicates a significant improvement in fuel efficiency over the century.
In fact, much of this was thanks to the EPA.
https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/50-years-epas-automotive-trends-report
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Since 1975, vehicle miles per gallon in the United States has improved from 13.1 mpg to 27.1 mpg in 2023.
And some cars get even more than that!
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The best gas mileage car for 2026 is the Toyota Prius, with an EPA-estimated 57 mpg in mixed driving conditions.
But the auto industry doesn't want the average car to be too fuel efficient, or this would undermine their vested interest with the oil industry.

Engineering is about making the physic laws work, and in fact engines are more efficient than they were 30 years ago. The so-called environmental lobbies just ignore this and pretend their still-havent-worked-out-the-bugs EVs are ready to go.

Do you think cars work like steam engines?  Real question.

Also, you know how a Prius gets such high efficiency?  By having an EV that has a gas generator. That's how hybrids work: they are literally an EV with a gas generator built in.


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Fun fact. EVs are not a new invention. They have been around since the 1800s. They sucked then. They suck a little less now. But being stranded is still a major issue. With a car, you can carry a gas can, and be back in business. Feasibility of dragging a plug? Zero. And it takes hours to recharge, so you're stuck at a charging station. Until you have cars using a power pack instead of a plug, you're stuck with a portability problem and a charge time problem.
And so was the steam powered car.  In fact, gas cars had a major drawback that made them less desirable than electric: cranking.  Before the electric starter, you had to manually turn the crank to get it to start.  Alot of people broke their arms doing it.  And while the lack of range and infrastructure was a downside, gas stations weren't exactly common either.

But once ford merged the EV and the gas engine (battery and electric motor), the whole broken arms stopped being an issue.


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In the California fires? Hop in your car, drive away. A flood? Hop in your car, drive away. Oh shucks though, we turned off the electricity because it was unsafe during this fire and flood, so all of you people with EVs are doomed. If the 10 hour recharge and low range and portability wasn't enough.
Oh no!  If only EVs had batteries that stored power!
And if you wanna claim that those EVs without a full charge are what you meant then go pump gas without power.  Let me know how that goes.

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Btw, this is New Coke. A company designing a product so terrible that people will want the old back. There is no way anyone would build batteries that heavy that are that energy inefficient. Not if they were seriously wanting EV to replace ICE. This is companies selling a con, and hoping enough people will buy before it gets exposed.

It's all too obvious that the gas lobby created this trend because cars are becoming more efficient, and they want to rarify gas consumption for more profit. "Oh, EVs are more common now, we only need to build gas stations every twenty miles instead of every 5 miles!" Yeah, great savings if you can get them. Spent 1/4 build gas stations and charge 4 times as much because "demand is down." No it's not, you just made hype, and people are nudged to buy the new tech. Only they don't trust the new tech because it still doesn't work!

Nothing you wrote is supported by logic or history.  During covid, demand was very low but supply was the same.  Gas prices were dirt cheap!  You need to decrease SUPPLY to make it more expensive.  Like...say... Starting a war in the middle east!
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #27062 on: June 22, 2026, 10:24:26 AM »
Bulma is being silly again. You can't make an ICE much better than they are now. People have been trying for decades and are seeing diminishing returns. Aerodynamics and lighter materials are more important now, which also benefit EVs. An ICE is a relatively small device that is easy to bleed heat into the environment and prone to friction.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #27063 on: June 22, 2026, 12:41:42 PM »
If electric vehicles are so shit, I dont' think Amazon would be using them to deliver packages.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #27064 on: June 22, 2026, 01:32:20 PM »
Bulma is being silly again. You can't make an ICE much better than they are now. People have been trying for decades and are seeing diminishing returns. Aerodynamics and lighter materials are more important now, which also benefit EVs. An ICE is a relatively small device that is easy to bleed heat into the environment and prone to friction.
I’m thinking that it’s futile to discuss the finer points of the Carnot cycle with someone who can’t tell the difference between force and momentum.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #27065 on: June 22, 2026, 06:09:48 PM »
Sure, I know about the Carnot cycle.

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Methane
CH4+2O2→CO2​+2H2​O

Propane
C3H8+5O2→3CO2​+4H2​O

Octane
2C8H18+25O2→16CO2​+18H2​O

Cane Sugar
C12​H22​O11​+12O2​→12CO2​+11H2​O

Hydrogen 
2H2+O2→2H2​O

Pure carbon (C)
Complete combustion: C+O2→CO2​
Incomplete combustion (soot): 2C+O2→2CO

Etc. Basically, when stuff burns, usually you get burnoff of carbon dioxide and water. Except for trying to burn water, then you get alot of wasted thermal energy turning water into steam.

I think that has nothing to do with the other. You managed to create two logical fallacies in a single sentence (ad hominem + false dilemma). Congratulations!

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Bulma is being silly again. You can't make an ICE much better than they are now. People have been trying for decades and are seeing diminishing returns. Aerodynamics and lighter materials are more important now, which also benefit EVs. An ICE is a relatively small device that is easy to bleed heat into the environment and prone to friction.

You actually can.

It's not really about aerodynamics, though that helps. It's about the energy loss.
  • Making the engine out of better alloys can let the engine tolerate higher temperatures and reduce heat loss to the surroundings, which can improve efficiency. 
  • Design changes (better charge cooling, minimizing throttling with variable valve timing/lift, and combustion efficiency)
  • Preventing smoke and incomplete production
  • Converting more fuel into productive work
  • Better EPA-tier chemical filtration
  • Yes, weight and aerodynamics too (theoretically, lithium is the lightest metal, but practically it's poor as a building material)
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Strength & stiffness: Lithium metals/alloys aren’t strong/stiff enough in a way that would safely replace steel/aluminum/CF parts for a crash structure.
Ductility and fatigue: Metals used in structures must withstand repeated loading; lithium-based materials are generally poor candidates for long-term structural durability.
Corrosion/handling: Lithium reacts readily (it must be stored/processed carefully). Even if alloyed, long-term corrosion behavior and surface protection are serious engineering problems.
Fire/safety: Lithium is reactive; crash damage exposing active lithium would be a major safety risk compared with conventional structural materials.
Cost & manufacturability: Producing, forming, joining (welding/brazing), and inspecting lithium-based structural components would be expensive and complex.

You're thinking we have the combustion mastered, and there is only much energy. But actually, we've only skimmed the surface. There are many many things the automotive industry can do to improve, if they don't have the corrupt oil lobbies pushing for lower mpg cars. 
Meanwhile, the problem of EVs is that we not only have the physical limits of energy, but we haven't the range or the storage that we should.

Think of it as a computer program model. ICE is at like model 6.74 (having several working models, but the perfected ideal is 9.99). EV? About 0.49.  It doesn't even reliably work as well as a Model T yet! Until filling gas takes under an hour, you don't have a product. You have a scam.

I had AI build a car with nonstandard materials, just to show that design literally makes the difference in a car. I had the idea of building it like a bulletproof vest with ceramic plate. But there were issues with that (sharding for instance), so I had them fill in the gaps.
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Assumption: you want a theoretical design that keeps the occupant cell intact by having doors/side structures absorb energy without massive intrusion, and you’re willing to use composites/ceramics/fibers/foams/elastomers as part of a complete energy-management structure.
First principle (why “materials list” is tricky)

For crash safety, what matters most is not just the material, but the architecture:

    Frontal/rear: you want controlled axial crushing (progressive folding/crush) and load paths that don’t bypass the absorber.
    Side: you want bending + membrane/beam action through rails/doors, with limited intrusion and controlled tearing/delamination.
    In all cases, you must protect against brittle sudden failure (ceramics) by putting them where they can fragment without collapsing load paths.

So the “best materials” below are really “best building blocks” for those architectures.
Frontal impact (head-on)

Best non-metal building blocks:

    Carbon/glass fiber composite tubes or sandwich crush elements (foam or lattice core) designed to crush progressively.
    Honeycomb or lattice cores (Nomex/Kevlar aramid honeycomb, CFRP honeycomb, or polymer lattices) under compressive crush.
    Elastomeric interlayers (thin rubber-like layers) between composite skins to reduce stress concentrations and manage delamination.
    Ceramic tiles / hard particles only as localized spall control or energy diffusion layers, not as the primary absorber (ceramics fragment; you need the composite structure to keep carrying load after cracking).

A plausible mix: CFRP skin + aramid or polymer honeycomb core + thin tough interleaf + replaceable crush “cartridge” behind a sacrificial outer cover.
Side impact (door-focused, “crumple but not too much”)

Best non-metal building blocks:

    Composite door beams (CFRP/ GFRP) that act like bending beams plus an outer skin that can deform without tearing the inner structure.
    Foam-filled sandwich panels with a tough face sheet (aramid-fiber reinforced face) to manage indentation and delay puncture/intrusion.
    Energy-absorbing crush initiators at the door/rocker area that encourage progressive crushing rather than a brittle collapse.
    Elastomeric + viscoelastic layers (rubbery layers, constrained damping layers) to spread impact and reduce peak forces.
    If using “armor” like ceramics: ceramic laminate tiles near the outer skin with ductile backing layers so the ceramic breaks while the backing composite maintains structural integrity.

Plausible mix: aramid-fiber inner reinforcement + foam core + CFRP outer beam skins + constrained elastomer layer + sacrificial door “squash zone.”
Rear impact (low-to-medium speed typical, but can be high)

Best non-metal building blocks:

    Longitudinal crush rails made from composite tubes or multi-material sandwich rails (to manage axial compression over distance).
    Foam or polymer crush elements (or polymer lattices) that are hard to bottom out and can be tuned.
    Viscoelastic bumper/energy pads (not just “soft,” but engineered to have a stable force–displacement curve).
    Composite skin + energy absorber “bar” modules so you get consistent deceleration without sharp intrusion spikes.

Plausible mix: CFRP rail + controlled-core crush cartridge + viscoelastic pad + replaceable rear module.
Where your “Kevlar + foam + ceramic plates” idea fits

For doors/side panels, ceramics can be used as a localized hard layer, but you generally want them:

    constrained in a composite matrix,
    backed by tough fiber layers (aramid/CFRP),
    with an architected crush/squash zone so the system fails progressively.

If you make ceramics a major structural absorber, you risk brittle failure that undermines “not too much crumple.”




Basically, my point is that any aspect of a vehicle can be tweaked. Fuel efficiency, engine materials, making a car lightweight and sleek. Your thinking is too darned limited. We have nowhere near exhausted all options of creating move fuel efficiency, much less aerodynamics or crash design.

I also designed you a better EV. You can thank me.

Although my ultimate concept was a dome, not a sphere (a sphere has a "pop out" concern). The idea is removable battery pack system instead of relying on a plug.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #27066 on: June 22, 2026, 10:21:06 PM »
Bulma, perhaps you can explain how higher temperatures improves efficiency because I don't think anyone in the world whow knows how an internal combustion engine works, would agree with you.

Let's say you can have a theoretical temperature of infinity.  The material is 100% insulating and your pistons and valves can be hotter than the surface of the sun without damage.  Explain how that makes the engine able to be more efficient and use more energy for motion from the same combustion reaction.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #27067 on: June 22, 2026, 10:30:50 PM »
Ok nobody here knows what a Carnot cycle is. The Carnot cycle doesn't exist.

I laughed at "converting more fuel into productive work". I hope you realize you just said "you can make the engine better by making it better".

Every single one of those things that ChatGPT told you has been tried, and ICEs are now seeing diminishing returns. You won't ever beat the efficiency of, say, a natural gas power plant with them, especially when the power plant has to run anyways to provide power, and providing more power for the cars comes at a low marginal cost. The simple reason is that the power plant is 1) huge, which makes it easier to control dissipation, and 2) doesn't need to be strapped onto a car so it is easier to handle, and easier to make thermally efficient and carbon efficient.

And that again is assuming the power plants use fossil fuels. Most places now also have renewables into the mix so electric cars are much more carbon efficient.

Hybrids are also better than pure ICEs.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #27068 on: June 22, 2026, 10:32:54 PM »
Bulma, perhaps you can explain how higher temperatures improves efficiency because I don't think anyone in the world whow knows how an internal combustion engine works, would agree with you.

Let's say you can have a theoretical temperature of infinity.  The material is 100% insulating and your pistons and valves can be hotter than the surface of the sun without damage.  Explain how that makes the engine able to be more efficient and use more energy for motion from the same combustion reaction.

In theory, the optimal Carnot efficiency is higher when the hot reservoir's temperature is higher. That's the only thing Bulma was right about, because ChatGPT told them.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #27069 on: June 22, 2026, 10:36:15 PM »
2026 talks about fuel efficiency.



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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #27070 on: June 22, 2026, 11:21:13 PM »
Bulma, perhaps you can explain how higher temperatures improves efficiency because I don't think anyone in the world whow knows how an internal combustion engine works, would agree with you.

Let's say you can have a theoretical temperature of infinity.  The material is 100% insulating and your pistons and valves can be hotter than the surface of the sun without damage.  Explain how that makes the engine able to be more efficient and use more energy for motion from the same combustion reaction.

In theory, the optimal Carnot efficiency is higher when the hot reservoir's temperature is higher. That's the only thing Bulma was right about, because ChatGPT told them.

So I've read.
But to have such a peak efficiency would significantly slow down the vehicle.

Also, preignition is, apparently, a thing.  So the engine can't get too hot or it'll explode the gasoline before the spark.



Even so, the amount of usable energy you can extract, as Prez said, is diminishing.  Which is why hybrids are a thing and making the car lighter.

So far the most efficient got up to 48%.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #27071 on: June 22, 2026, 11:26:36 PM »
Has anyone here even taken off a rocker cover?

Partial points for knowing what it is without asking a LLM.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #27072 on: June 23, 2026, 06:22:26 AM »
Bulma, perhaps you can explain how higher temperatures improves efficiency because I don't think anyone in the world whow knows how an internal combustion engine works, would agree with you.

Let's say you can have a theoretical temperature of infinity.  The material is 100% insulating and your pistons and valves can be hotter than the surface of the sun without damage.  Explain how that makes the engine able to be more efficient and use more energy for motion from the same combustion reaction.

The overclocking theory.

Unfortunately, I as a steady computer nerd who spends hours of my life online and hours writing or making games, the best temperature is not overclocked, but slightly underclocked. Not frozen, mind you, frozen cars/computers cannot start, but kinda like a sweating person. Burning fuel, but not radiating heat. This is why cars have coolant, why computers have coolant, why animals pant, and humans sweat.

#3 The Sweat That Kills
They talk about how humans are not remotely the fastest or strongest, but while every other animals are all built like an overclocked engine, humans are built so they can take long jogs and sweat alot.

I've had Windows 98 computers somewhat long, but XP and Windows 8 computers lasted nearly 10 years. Then Windows 10 computers, one died within six months. My current one is okay for now, but it occasionally "passes out from the heat." Heat doesn't make devices more efficient. Heat damages fragile components. This is why these data centers (which shouldn't be built, cuz they are too overclocked) are needing loads and loads of cooling. Trees transpire. Like us humans, they know how to sweat and how to pee (their roots release waste, and they release moisture to keep themselves cool).

There is a right temperature, and hot enough to create engine strain isn't it. I know. Our lawnmower has been crapping out. We take it to the local hardware, the asshole's solution is to increase throttleAnd at one point, the engine breaks apart as a piston knocks its way through the side of the engine. We get a new mower, and his solution is to increase throttle. It does a rapid start/stall thing.   We get a new something or other (maybe carburetor?) and it includes the throttle. This time and neighbor puts it in, and he doesn't mess with the throttle. It runs alot better.

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Hybrids are also better than pure ICEs.

Yes. Btw, ICEs are actually already hybrids. That battery that powers your radio runs on a system that the alternator converts energy to powering functions like AC/heat distinct from what is needed to power the engine. The car needs to be hot enough to burn, but steady enough for combustion timing to be correct, otherwise you get incomplete combustion, alot of smoke, and wasted energy.

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Let's say you can have a theoretical temperature of infinity.  The material is 100% insulating and your pistons and valves can be hotter than the surface of the sun without damage.  Explain how that makes the engine able to be more efficient and use more energy for motion from the same combustion reaction.

You can't. The car has a thermodynamic heat loss. I never said that was not a thing. But ICE technology is like a young cow still not in its prime. When we really cannot do anything more to improve efficiency, I will let you know. My CatGPT does not think we've reached the limit yet.

EV is like veal. It can barely walk. It's almost blind, having only just been born and never getting anything but grain, and it's not likely to get older before getting cut up.
Like Solar cars (which get hyped in the magazines but are typically DOA before they get to commercial phase because we haven't worked out the cloudy day problem, and the shade cast by buildings in the city and trees in the forest is just too much), the hype hides huge problems.

Maybe if you can save it from the slaughterhouse (actually resolve these problems) we can talk about it. Until then, we have to rely on a tow truck, because EV is not built with swappable battery packs, but massive lumbering rechargeable batteries. No plug nearby, the car needs to be towed. They had a Facebook picture where a car fell in, then the tow truck fell in after it, and they needed increasingly absurd tow truck tow trucks. That's what can happen if your towing system is built on experimental non-portable fuel sources.
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« Reply #27073 on: June 23, 2026, 06:52:03 AM »
I'm triggered.  Almost everything you wrote about computers is wrong.  And you didn't even answer the original question.

However, I have decided to try and get back on topic, which is Trump, who is continuing to fail and trying very hard to cover up his failures and failing at that, too.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #27074 on: June 23, 2026, 03:29:57 PM »
yes
back to trump

he is a moron and all who support him are morons.
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Themightykabool

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #27075 on: June 23, 2026, 04:10:37 PM »
Drain the swamp directly into his pocket.





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bulmabriefs144

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #27076 on: June 23, 2026, 10:22:56 PM »
I'm triggered.  Almost everything you wrote about computers is wrong.  And you didn't even answer the original question.

However, I have decided to try and get back on topic, which is Trump, who is continuing to fail and trying very hard to cover up his failures and failing at that, too.

Yes, everyone thinks of Iran as a spectacular failure.

One newspaperman called Trump's deal "the emperor's new clothes."

But if you're saying that:
(1) It's not news.
(2) You're likely to be proven wrong.

Basically, if the news seems obvious to everyone, it is more than likely a hasty assumption.

The lefties were sure they could rig Virginia. They were wrong. They were sure Trump would never get elected again. They were wrong. They are sure that conservatives are a bunch of backwards hicks with buck teeth, who are never relevant. They are wrong.

Back to Iran. We've blown up their forts. We've bombed the shit out of their ships, the news says "Iran is stronger than ever before." Hmmmm, that's why they've taken to blockading a straight to prevent passage. Tell you what, suppose Germany way at war with Ireland, and instead of attacking them, they put up massive walls around their cities. That's turtling.
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Turtling is a gameplay strategy that emphasizes heavy defense, with little or no offense. A player who turtles minimizes risk to themselves while baiting opponents to take risks in trying to overcome the defenses. In practice, games are often designed to punish turtling through various game mechanics. As a metaphor, turtling refers to the defensive posture of a turtle, which retracts its limbs into its hardened shell for protection against predators.

Hoping to defend in order to buy time because you really cannot win in a straight engagement.

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Operation Epic Fury involved the destruction of Iran's ballistic missile and drone capabilities, naval forces, and defense industrial base. The operation aimed to eliminate Iran's ability to project military power and produce weapons.

Key Targets of the Operation
Military Capabilities

    Ballistic Missile and Drone Capabilities: The operation targeted and destroyed Iran's ballistic missile arsenal and production facilities, effectively crippling their ability to launch missile attacks.

    Naval Forces: A significant portion of Iran's naval fleet was neutralized, with reports indicating that over 90% of their regular fleet was sunk.

Defense Industrial Base

    Weapons Production Facilities: The operation aimed to dismantle Iran's defense industrial base, which included:
        More than 80% of missile facilities
        Factories producing drones and their guidance systems
        Command and control networks

Air Defense Systems

    Destruction of Air Defense: Approximately 80% of Iran's air defense systems were targeted, including over 1,500 air defense installations.
So basically, they have no or limited missiles, drones, navy, and bases now, but the news continues to sell "Iran is stronger than ever! Why, look at that week peace treaty deal!"

Yeah, I'm looking at it. I'm looking at Iran basically using regular old boats to lay mines (probably borrowed from Russia). And now I'm looking at a video talking how we've built drones just to hunt mines.

How we have choppers that can set off mines using a frequency attack.  And other stuff.

This is a war of elimination. And blocking our oil supply is the only thing they can think of left to do.

So let's review. We gave Iran money to withdraw their mines. Everyone here thinks "This is so weak." Actually, it's Goku giving Frieza a chance to surrender.


He gave them money to start over, on the condition they disarm their blockade and supply oil (or at least, the route to it). He's giving them a chance to drop hostilities, and the West doesn't get it, Israel doesn't get it. I get it.

If they persist in this, they will have no missiles, no drones, no bases, no aircrafts, no mine ships, no mines, just a pathetic skeleton military. They will be a byword.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/2025/06/20/israel-iran-militaries/
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On paper, Iran would seem to have an advantage in numbers, with 88 million people and a land area of 1.6 million square kilometers (618,000 square miles) compared to Israel’s 9 million people and 22,000 square kilometers (8,500). Militarily however, those numbers mean little.

Iran’s military equipment is a hodge-podge, including some provided by the Soviet Union and others by the U.S. prior to the 1979 Islamic Revolution, along with more recent Russian additions. With an estimated 350 antiquated planes in its air force, it lags far behind Israel in both quantity and quality. Iran, however, does have the ability to produce a wide range of UAV’s and similar equipment, typified by the Shahed attack drones it has sold to Russia in large numbers for use in the war in Ukraine.

Iran’s nuclear program has advanced in recent years, and it is believed to have developed enough uranium enriched to near-weapons grade levels to produce multiple nuclear weapons in a matter of months if it took the decision to do so. But Iran would need even more time to develop a missile or other means of weaponizing them.

Tell you what, if I'm wrong about Iran having nukes, I will be greatly relieved, because I likely live within fallout radius. But that means Iran is even weaker than you think. Mostly what it has left is troops, maybe a few tanks, and some landmines. Once the mines are gone, Iran is pretty limited in its attack outside its own country.
https://www.19fortyfive.com/2026/03/iran-is-losing-the-war-faster-than-anyone-realizes-a-former-idf-general-explains-why-phase-3-favors-america/
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Themightykabool

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #27077 on: June 23, 2026, 10:29:46 PM »
When youre giving 300B in reparations youre either admitting wrong dping or sureender.

Which one?

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Lorddave

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #27078 on: June 23, 2026, 11:28:20 PM »
It's funny how Bulma is all "Iran is so weak and we can blow up all their mines with frequency attacks but we still need them to actually get rid of them for some reason."
And like all trumpets, he doesn't even understand what strength actually is.  He thinks strength through violence is the only strength.  HA!

Iran blocked the strait with mines from speedboats and this was so powerful that Trump with his superior military...

A) couldn't stop it.
B) Couldn't undo it.
C) couldn't keep tankers safe if they tried to go through.

How is that stronger military going?  Cleared those mines yet?
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bulmabriefs144

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #27079 on: June 24, 2026, 08:20:17 AM »
It's funny how Bulma is all "Iran is so weak and we can blow up all their mines with frequency attacks but we still need them to actually get rid of them for some reason."
And like all trumpets, he doesn't even understand what strength actually is.  He thinks strength through violence is the only strength.  HA!

Iran blocked the strait with mines from speedboats and this was so powerful that Trump with his superior military...

A) couldn't stop it.
B) Couldn't undo it.
C) couldn't keep tankers safe if they tried to go through.

How is that stronger military going?  Cleared those mines yet?

None of you know what power is.

As for the last question, maybe you wanna play Minesweeper with 5000 mines?

This one only got halfway with just 999 mines.

This is not a sign that Iran has better military. This is like a retreating infantry taking a massive dump on the way out, and hoping the army advancing after it will get hindered by those "landmines."

We are cleaning up Iran's shit, and it is expected to take awhile. When it's done, gas prices will be back down.
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Lorddave

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #27080 on: June 24, 2026, 08:53:17 AM »
It's funny how Bulma is all "Iran is so weak and we can blow up all their mines with frequency attacks but we still need them to actually get rid of them for some reason."
And like all trumpets, he doesn't even understand what strength actually is.  He thinks strength through violence is the only strength.  HA!

Iran blocked the strait with mines from speedboats and this was so powerful that Trump with his superior military...

A) couldn't stop it.
B) Couldn't undo it.
C) couldn't keep tankers safe if they tried to go through.

How is that stronger military going?  Cleared those mines yet?

None of you know what power is.

As for the last question, maybe you wanna play Minesweeper with 5000 mines?

This one only got halfway with just 999 mines.

This is not a sign that Iran has better military. This is like a retreating infantry taking a massive dump on the way out, and hoping the army advancing after it will get hindered by those "landmines."

We are cleaning up Iran's shit, and it is expected to take awhile. When it's done, gas prices will be back down.

But you said Trump can just use frequency attacks to destroy them.  Why would it take a long time?  And why hasn't he started?

Also, I said stronger, not better military.
Strength is the ability to achieve your goals.  They have shown that not even the US Navy and Air force can stop Iran from blocking the strait.
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disputeone

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #27081 on: June 24, 2026, 11:34:10 PM »
I'm still interested in learning about the effects of blinker fluid on fuel economy.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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bulmabriefs144

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #27082 on: June 25, 2026, 03:46:11 AM »
These pulse weapons are used from a chopper with a fairly weak radius. Not a pulse like this

nor like this


This chopper is more like...

It drags a slow moving pulse device, while being fired at (maybe someone could increase the armor a bit? Or make the thing less heavy?)

Mine sweeping is slow careful work.

Or you can destroy half of it in 8 hours!

I suppose the reason we're still talking about this is that it's fairly cheap, so you can kinda keep doing it.
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Iran's simplest contact sea mines can cost as little as $1,500 each.

For as little as $1.5 million, you've just paid for another thousand mines. We had an effective weapon versus them, but it was probably cost inefficient, which is why we're exploring cheaper options. After all, if the mines take $1.5 thousand, and the gear to disable them costs too much, we're stuck with an attrition problem. The thing is, we can win this, but it involves mass production of antimine systems, while attacking production. Otherwise, you're losing a war of attrition. Unless the US wants to spend money like Trump does on toilets.
https://northdenvertribune.com/international/the-1500-checkmate-iran-mines-strait-of-hormuz/
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Iran has begun deploying naval mines in the Strait of Hormuz—weapons whose basic design predates the Model T—and the United States Navy literally cannot clear them. Not because of technological impossibility, but because someone in the Pentagon’s procurement chain decided, in September 2025, to decommission the last four dedicated minesweepers in the Persian Gulf and replace them with $500 million-per-copy ships that the fleet’s own sailors have christened “Little Crappy Ships.”
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In September 2025, the USS Devastator, USS Dextrous, USS Gladiator, and USS Sentry—all Avenger-class mine countermeasures ships stationed at Naval Support Activity Bahrain—were formally decommissioned. These wooden-hulled ships (yes, wooden—because wood doesn’t trigger magnetic mines, a fact apparently too pedestrian for modern procurement officers) had spent the entire post-Cold War era keeping the Persian Gulf’s shipping lanes clear.
Fucking bureaucrats. So yeah, now

Is it impossible to win? Nah they're doing it. In the aforementioned 8 hours too. The problem being they need to be able to do this cheaply, which isn't there yet. Or I suppose they could go back to building woodenantimineA single Avenger antimine ship though costs $274 million. For a wooden ship with not real armoring. I can see why they replaced it yeah, it's an untested tech.
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Ballpark: likely less than an Avenger ship’s ~$274M per ship, but not necessarily dramatically less if you’re talking about a complete mine-countermeasures package (because those include multiple unmanned platforms + sensors + mission control).

For a single unmanned minehunting/neutralization vehicle (one UUV/USV) in open sources, costs aren’t consistently disclosed, so the best I can do is this qualitative comparison:

Single drone/robot vehicle: generally far below $274M
Full deployed mine-countermeasures capability for a campaign: can run into tens of millions per package, which is still well below a ship, but not “cheap-commodity” either

As an example, you can get a custom built (most of these systems are flight or swimming) amphibious drone for the low low price of just $500k to $20m. They figure these mine drones are about comparable, and they thought (I asked) if they were built less like military and more like commercial, they would be somewhat good savings. But they would be less rugged this way.
So yeah, now the US is playing an expensive game of minesweeper with Iran. The thing is, when they figure out how to do it cheaper, Iran loses everything.

They can indeed stop Iran. But they kinda scrapped their old tool for  new options, because Trump likes drones.

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Lorddave

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #27083 on: June 25, 2026, 05:23:05 AM »
These pulse weapons are used from a chopper with a fairly weak radius. Not a pulse like this

nor like this


This chopper is more like...

It drags a slow moving pulse device, while being fired at (maybe someone could increase the armor a bit? Or make the thing less heavy?)

Mine sweeping is slow careful work.

Or you can destroy half of it in 8 hours!

I suppose the reason we're still talking about this is that it's fairly cheap, so you can kinda keep doing it.
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Iran's simplest contact sea mines can cost as little as $1,500 each.

For as little as $1.5 million, you've just paid for another thousand mines. We had an effective weapon versus them, but it was probably cost inefficient, which is why we're exploring cheaper options. After all, if the mines take $1.5 thousand, and the gear to disable them costs too much, we're stuck with an attrition problem. The thing is, we can win this, but it involves mass production of antimine systems, while attacking production. Otherwise, you're losing a war of attrition. Unless the US wants to spend money like Trump does on toilets.
https://northdenvertribune.com/international/the-1500-checkmate-iran-mines-strait-of-hormuz/
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Iran has begun deploying naval mines in the Strait of Hormuz—weapons whose basic design predates the Model T—and the United States Navy literally cannot clear them. Not because of technological impossibility, but because someone in the Pentagon’s procurement chain decided, in September 2025, to decommission the last four dedicated minesweepers in the Persian Gulf and replace them with $500 million-per-copy ships that the fleet’s own sailors have christened “Little Crappy Ships.”
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In September 2025, the USS Devastator, USS Dextrous, USS Gladiator, and USS Sentry—all Avenger-class mine countermeasures ships stationed at Naval Support Activity Bahrain—were formally decommissioned. These wooden-hulled ships (yes, wooden—because wood doesn’t trigger magnetic mines, a fact apparently too pedestrian for modern procurement officers) had spent the entire post-Cold War era keeping the Persian Gulf’s shipping lanes clear.
Fucking bureaucrats. So yeah, now

Is it impossible to win? Nah they're doing it. In the aforementioned 8 hours too. The problem being they need to be able to do this cheaply, which isn't there yet. Or I suppose they could go back to building woodenantimineA single Avenger antimine ship though costs $274 million. For a wooden ship with not real armoring. I can see why they replaced it yeah, it's an untested tech.
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Ballpark: likely less than an Avenger ship’s ~$274M per ship, but not necessarily dramatically less if you’re talking about a complete mine-countermeasures package (because those include multiple unmanned platforms + sensors + mission control).

For a single unmanned minehunting/neutralization vehicle (one UUV/USV) in open sources, costs aren’t consistently disclosed, so the best I can do is this qualitative comparison:

Single drone/robot vehicle: generally far below $274M
Full deployed mine-countermeasures capability for a campaign: can run into tens of millions per package, which is still well below a ship, but not “cheap-commodity” either

As an example, you can get a custom built (most of these systems are flight or swimming) amphibious drone for the low low price of just $500k to $20m. They figure these mine drones are about comparable, and they thought (I asked) if they were built less like military and more like commercial, they would be somewhat good savings. But they would be less rugged this way.
So yeah, now the US is playing an expensive game of minesweeper with Iran. The thing is, when they figure out how to do it cheaper, Iran loses everything.

They can indeed stop Iran. But they kinda scrapped their old tool for  new options, because Trump likes drones.

Yes.  Iran can cheaply mine a body of water and the powerful US can't afford to clear them.  They win.

If Trump were smart, he'd just buy a bunch of cheap boats, put metal on the bottom, and just drive them along the strait until they either all blow up or get through.

Mine sweeping is easy if you don't care about the thing you use to trigger it.
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bulmabriefs144

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #27084 on: June 25, 2026, 09:00:01 AM »
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Yes.  Iran can cheaply mine a body of water and the powerful US can't afford to clear them.  They win.

If Trump were smart, he'd just buy a bunch of cheap boats, put metal on the bottom, and just drive them along the strait until they either all blow up or get through.

Mine sweeping is easy if you don't care about the thing you use to trigger it.

Not so fast!

A single drone boat costs about $250,000
(Unless you want humans to risk their lives!)

Anti-mine drones are part of a multi-million dollar package, that is to say that is even though the overall is expensive, it includes a mix of air, sea drones, and underwater drones. Btw, the reason the navy finds mines troublesome is that a single one can blow a hole in a ship and it takes in water. The ship is well armored vs missiles, guns, or the like, but mines attack the base of the ship, where it is weakest. So even if a pack of drones is not that many like $15 million for nine or ten drones, if each one is able to take down 10 or 12, this cuts its effective cost by 100, by what a single one can do.

So let's review. AI code to have a self-driving boat costs $250,000 yet suicides itself on one drive? Or a thing that it is able to take out several mines before it redzones? Not a bad deal, actually.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #27085 on: June 25, 2026, 09:05:48 AM »
If Trump were smart, he'd just buy a bunch of cheap boats, put metal on the bottom, and just drive them along the strait until they either all blow up or get through.
Yeah, or they could use specialised minehunters and minesweepers that are way more efficient than this method?  Some do actually use dragged cables to set off mines (or cut their cables), but there's no guarantee they will always work, as the mine might only be set of by a certain signature, maybe acoustic.  So they still need to sweep the entire area and try and build a map up before methodically destroying them.

I'll be honest  - your idea sounds like one of bulma's.  I really don't think Trump is in direct charge of these specialised naval units either, so I'm not sure his smartness comes into it.

Modern mines are essentially torpedoes (not the WWII image of the floating mine you have in your head)  - housed in tubes with electronic systems to detect and target passing targets.  They will only launch at certain targets and are incredibly difficult to detect.  Fortunately Iran has probably just used older style ones that are moored to the sea floor (or even on it).
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Lorddave

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #27086 on: June 25, 2026, 10:31:39 AM »
If Trump were smart, he'd just buy a bunch of cheap boats, put metal on the bottom, and just drive them along the strait until they either all blow up or get through.
Yeah, or they could use specialised minehunters and minesweepers that are way more efficient than this method?  Some do actually use dragged cables to set off mines (or cut their cables), but there's no guarantee they will always work, as the mine might only be set of by a certain signature, maybe acoustic.  So they still need to sweep the entire area and try and build a map up before methodically destroying them.

I'll be honest  - your idea sounds like one of bulma's.  I really don't think Trump is in direct charge of these specialised naval units either, so I'm not sure his smartness comes into it.

Modern mines are essentially torpedoes (not the WWII image of the floating mine you have in your head)  - housed in tubes with electronic systems to detect and target passing targets.  They will only launch at certain targets and are incredibly difficult to detect.  Fortunately Iran has probably just used older style ones that are moored to the sea floor (or even on it).

Bulma claims that the specialized ships were all decommissioned.  Thus, not an option.

Also, if Iran's goal was to stop traffic, it's likely setup so any large ships will set them off.  Assuming they actually work and aren't duds.  No one has been blown up by one yet, have they?

Also, a $250,000 drone?  Why?

1. Find out how the mines are triggered.
2. Use that on a cheap propeller.
3 launch a bunch of them down the strait.

Or drag cables if that'll work.
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bulmabriefs144

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #27087 on: June 25, 2026, 11:14:42 AM »
Tell you what when you build a toaster that senses bread, depresses itself, and heats itself and it isn't pricier than hiring a chef to cook your bread, lemme know how you didit.
The boat is pricier than a small than a small yacht because it
  • Turns itself on
  • Either is guided remotely or sets itself on a path.
  • Avoids rocks, banks, and other boats
  • Tries to run into an area with mines
  • Has to be a deep bottomed full-size boat or it only skims and doesn't hit the deeper mines

And all that cost and it's expendable. These drones are reusable. So are most of Trump's devices. Are they the best mine tools out there? Maybe  not but but you hey are better than runnin random boats through an area. What he ought to do is help engineers build boats that appear invisible to mines for the oil convoys.
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Lorddave

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #27088 on: June 25, 2026, 01:11:48 PM »
Tell you what when you build a toaster that senses bread, depresses itself, and heats itself and it isn't pricier than hiring a chef to cook your bread, lemme know how you didit.
The boat is pricier than a small than a small yacht because it
  • Turns itself on
  • Either is guided remotely or sets itself on a path.
  • Avoids rocks, banks, and other boats
  • Tries to run into an area with mines
  • Has to be a deep bottomed full-size boat or it only skims and doesn't hit the deeper mines

And all that cost and it's expendable. These drones are reusable. So are most of Trump's devices. Are they the best mine tools out there? Maybe  not but but you hey are better than runnin random boats through an area. What he ought to do is help engineers build boats that appear invisible to mines for the oil convoys.

Why would you do any of that?
Again, you can have something underwater without being a big heavy boat.  If you must guide it, literally a radio controlled.

You can absolutely have a low tech solution that's also cheap.

https://www.urbandrones.com/collections/underwater-drones?srsltid=AfmBOoowzGDK9XKHYrQvaPTU3Q3v2I4guyDZTA-4Ln5pyM5K6lZZBurT
Case and point.
Great to at least find them and only costs a few thousand dollars each.  You can absolutely make something cheaper.  It does not need to be AI controlled. A human operator is just as good.
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Themightykabool

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #27089 on: June 25, 2026, 01:57:21 PM »
Or bird operator