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Title: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Dick Johnson KuntKlit on July 06, 2016, 09:56:18 AM
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Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Round and Proud on July 06, 2016, 11:32:18 AM
With what the FBI director reveled in the investigation, Clinton, by law is required to have her Security Clearance REVOKED. That means she is precluded from becoming POTUS.

But as with the all of this, the law will NOT be followed.

Should the American voters be as stupid as to vote her into office, the pay backs will begin. Prediction, AG Lynch will be nominated to the SCOTUS. Sadly her supporters will STILL support her in your face corruption.

Liberalism is a mental disorder.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: markjo on July 06, 2016, 11:55:43 AM
Just out of curiosity, how much of Trump's campaign funding is being paid to his own business interests?
Quote from: http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/21/politics/donald-trump-business-spending-fec/
Trump directs nearly one-fifth of his money to his own businesses

Washington (CNN)

Donald Trump has directed nearly one-fifth of his campaign cash to companies that are part of his vast business empire, new federal records show.

Trump, hurting for cash after he suddenly stopped self-funding his campaign last month, has mixed his public campaign and his private ventures for nearly the entire 2016 race. He has promoted Trump products at campaign events, publicly litigated a federal civil suit he's facing over Trump University on talk shows, and, this week, will bring the political press to Scotland for a tour of a Trump golf course.

Do you really want to live in the United States of Trump, Inc.?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Round and Proud on July 06, 2016, 12:10:38 PM
Just out of curiosity, how much of Trump's campaign funding is being paid to his own business interests?
Quote from: http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/21/politics/donald-trump-business-spending-fec/
Trump directs nearly one-fifth of his money to his own businesses

Washington (CNN)

Donald Trump has directed nearly one-fifth of his campaign cash to companies that are part of his vast business empire, new federal records show.

Trump, hurting for cash after he suddenly stopped self-funding his campaign last month, has mixed his public campaign and his private ventures for nearly the entire 2016 race. He has promoted Trump products at campaign events, publicly litigated a federal civil suit he's facing over Trump University on talk shows, and, this week, will bring the political press to Scotland for a tour of a Trump golf course.

Do you really want to live in the United States of Trump, Inc.?

When the alternative is Hillary? Sir that is a slam dunk, nothing but net, no brainer response. Trump gets my vote.

Now tell me how you can vote Hillary KNOWING she committed treason by NOT securing TS Classified information and documents.

Come on, I KNOW you are smarter than that.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: GlaringEye on July 06, 2016, 12:25:34 PM
Hillary sent some e-mails through the wrong e-mail direction and she's a traitor.

Trump steals a fifth of his campaign cash, promotes racism, islamophobia and homophobia, and attempts to turn the Presidency of the United States into his personal gold mine, and he's the savior of the country.

Are we crazy yet?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on July 06, 2016, 01:01:18 PM
One of my uncles is diehard for Trump. He thinks Trump making fun of the disabled guy is faked by the media. There's nothing bad you can say about Trump that his fans believe.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Rama Set on July 06, 2016, 02:34:39 PM
Hillary sent some e-mails through the wrong e-mail direction and she's a traitor.

Trump steals a fifth of his campaign cash, promotes racism, islamophobia and homophobia, and attempts to turn the Presidency of the United States into his personal gold mine, and he's the savior of the country.

Are we crazy yet?

Hilary advised people on a procedure to send classified materials covertly, there was no accident here.  Not even the FBI denies that.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: boydster on July 06, 2016, 05:46:43 PM
With what the FBI director reveled in the investigation, Clinton, by law is required to have her Security Clearance REVOKED. That means she is precluded from becoming POTUS.

But as with the all of this, the law will NOT be followed.

Should the American voters be as stupid as to vote her into office, the pay backs will begin. Prediction, AG Lynch will be nominated to the SCOTUS. Sadly her supporters will STILL support her in your face corruption.

Liberalism is a mental disorder.

Rush Limbaugh, is that you? Putting people you don't know into boxes like liberal and conservative, as if everyone on the "team" you say they are on is of the same mindset, is just being intellectually dishonest and not helping the present political discourse. That's what the Fox's and MSNBC's of the world want you to do, because it drives ratings for them, but it's really just a wedge that prevents people from having an honest discussion about their real position on issues. Once you invoke that feeling of team vs. team, herd mentality effects really take hold.

I'm not particularly excited about the choices right now, but since the thread is about Trump let's talk about him. I can certainly say without a moment's hesitation that the level of narcissism Trump possesses is alarming. Recent example: He went to Scotland, which voted overwhelmingly to stay in the EU, immediately after the vote to tell them what a great decision they made for his resort in Turnberry by voting to leave the EU. He didn't even care enough about the people he was talking to to find out how they voted. He's also openly, publicly racist - just look at all the terrible things he's said about Mexicans and Muslims, and it's a steady stream of hatred... NOT an isolated gaffe. He promised to help people convicted of assault at his rallies. He has said he thinks the US should be torturing MORE PEOPLE, and more seriously!! And he's also said he wants to change libel laws so he can sue reporters that say things he doesn't like. This is not a man who has any interest in making anything great except his own self-perception and bank account. But, as Trump and also SCG noted, he can do no wrong in the eyes of his supporters. He literally bragged about being able to shoot someone in the middle of the street and still not suffer a drop in the polls.

Also, he has small hands. Like, really small. Probably the least magnificent hands that have ever been, folks, let me tell you. Let me just say. They're not something you want to put a lot of faith in to hold things. They simply can't do it. They aren't good hands. Very bad hands. Maybe the worst hands.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Symptom on July 06, 2016, 07:10:22 PM
Liberalism is a mental disorder.

Pure comedy gold.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: markjo on July 06, 2016, 08:14:23 PM
Just out of curiosity, how much of Trump's campaign funding is being paid to his own business interests?
Quote from: http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/21/politics/donald-trump-business-spending-fec/
Trump directs nearly one-fifth of his money to his own businesses

Washington (CNN)

Donald Trump has directed nearly one-fifth of his campaign cash to companies that are part of his vast business empire, new federal records show.

Trump, hurting for cash after he suddenly stopped self-funding his campaign last month, has mixed his public campaign and his private ventures for nearly the entire 2016 race. He has promoted Trump products at campaign events, publicly litigated a federal civil suit he's facing over Trump University on talk shows, and, this week, will bring the political press to Scotland for a tour of a Trump golf course.

Do you really want to live in the United States of Trump, Inc.?

When the alternative is Hillary? Sir that is a slam dunk, nothing but net, no brainer response. Trump gets my vote.

Now tell me how you can vote Hillary KNOWING she committed treason by NOT securing TS Classified information and documents.

Come on, I KNOW you are smarter than that.
I never said that I was voting for Hillary.

In fact, this is one of the reasons why I support a legally binding "None of the Above" candidate.

Having said that, I think that Clinton would probably be the least worst choice, but I'll most likely vote 3rd party as a protest vote.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Soze on July 10, 2016, 04:09:26 AM
How is this even a close call to anyone? Trump is deplorable by every conceivable standard. He is a narcissistic, ignorant, hateful, morally-bankrupt, special interest incarnate. As I understood it, Hilary was technologically incompetent and instructed her staff to cut corners so that she only had to check one email. Not that she would admit to being incompetent, but there wasn't malice in her blunder. I doubt anyone here thinks Hilary's intention was to deliberately create a security breach.

In contrast, Trump is explicitly malicious.

Quote
“Lethal injection is too comfortable a way to go.”

“When somebody hurts you, just go after them as viciously and as violently as you can.”

[Women?] “You have to treat ’em like shit.”

Explicitly Sleazy
Quote
"You can never be too greedy."

“I’ll do nearly anything within legal bounds to win.”

“It’s very possible that I could be the first presidential candidate to run and make money on it.”

Explicitly Racist
Quote
“I have black guys counting my money.… I hate it. The only guys I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes all day.”

“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. [...] They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

Explicitly suffering delusions of grandeur
Quote
"My Twitter has become so powerful that I can actually make my enemies tell the truth.”

...HOW is this a wash?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Rama Set on July 10, 2016, 06:14:36 PM
Hillary explicitly asked her aides to cover up the sending of classified documents. She may not have been trying to create a security breach, but she did not behave as if she cared if one occurred. This, to me, is egregious for a Secretary Of State.

She changes her mind in the issues as often as most people change underwear, she takes gobs of money from oligarchic lobbyists like Goldman Sachs.

You should go to YouTube and type in "Hitchens Clinton" and learn more about her. She is not someone Inwoukd want running my country... Neither is Trump.

You guys are fucked.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Symptom on July 10, 2016, 07:01:34 PM
I'm really looking forward to the coming american civil war. Shit's gonna be the best reality show ever.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Soze on July 11, 2016, 02:13:41 AM
Hillary explicitly asked her aides to cover up the sending of classified documents.

Can you elaborate or post a link to what you are referring to? It's very possible I missed something, and I don't want to misunderstand you.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: WakeTheSheeple on July 11, 2016, 04:53:23 AM
Wake up.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Canadabear on March 11, 2017, 07:34:11 PM
Now all you Trump voter can see how he drains the swamp.
Now he fills it with even way more corruption.

What did you expect from a billionaire that made his money by destroying small company and the sheeting on the little worker.

Now you have your Hitler II that you deserve.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on March 11, 2017, 07:48:18 PM
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on March 11, 2017, 09:19:05 PM
Now you have your Hitler II that you deserve.

Hitler? Seriously?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Canadabear on March 12, 2017, 05:42:01 AM
Now you have your Hitler II that you deserve.



Hitler? Seriously?

Yes look at the parallels.

-Blaming all Problems on a other Religion.
-saying that the media that does not support him is fake News.
-extremely corrupt

Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Gumby on March 12, 2017, 06:00:30 AM
Now you have your Hitler II that you deserve.



Hitler? Seriously?

Yes look at the parallels.

-Blaming all Problems on a other Religion.
-saying that the media that does not support him is fake News.
-extremely corrupt

The make america (germany) great again message.
Blaming foreigners for internal problems.
Increase military spending.
Populist speech.
Deranged behaviour.

Lots of warning signs.

Trump acts like a dictator. Let's hope that he doesn't become one.


Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Canadabear on March 12, 2017, 06:20:37 AM
Now you have your Hitler II that you deserve.



Hitler? Seriously?

Yes look at the parallels.

-Blaming all Problems on a other Religion.
-saying that the media that does not support him is fake News.
-extremely corrupt

The make america (germany) great again message.
Blaming foreigners for internal problems.
Increase military spending.
Populist speech.
Deranged behaviour.

Lots of warning signs.

Trump acts like a dictator. Let's hope that he doesn't become one.

I think he is already one.
Look at Stephan Miller, he is almost exact like Goebbels.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Gumby on March 12, 2017, 06:50:31 AM
Now you have your Hitler II that you deserve.



Hitler? Seriously?

Yes look at the parallels.

-Blaming all Problems on a other Religion.
-saying that the media that does not support him is fake News.
-extremely corrupt

The make america (germany) great again message.
Blaming foreigners for internal problems.
Increase military spending.
Populist speech.
Deranged behaviour.

Lots of warning signs.

Trump acts like a dictator. Let's hope that he doesn't become one.

I think he is already one.
Look at Stephan Miller, he is almost exact like Goebbels.

For the time being the US political system still has ways of controlling the presidential powers.
In my opinion the majority of US voters are ignorant in almost all foreign matters and history and this makes them vulnerable to populists like trump. In Europe we had our share of dictators but the us never faced a mussolini or a hitler or a franco or a salazar. The us is too young as nation. Damn my grandfather's house is older than the us!
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Pezevenk on March 12, 2017, 08:02:48 AM
Now you have your Hitler II that you deserve.



Hitler? Seriously?

Yes look at the parallels.

-Blaming all Problems on a other Religion.
-saying that the media that does not support him is fake News.
-extremely corrupt

The make america (germany) great again message.
Blaming foreigners for internal problems.
Increase military spending.
Populist speech.
Deranged behaviour.

Lots of warning signs.

Trump acts like a dictator. Let's hope that he doesn't become one.

I think he is already one.
Look at Stephan Miller, he is almost exact like Goebbels.

Don't be silly. Trump is objectively not a dictator, and won't become one. Bad president and dictator are not the same thing.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Gumby on March 12, 2017, 08:16:14 AM
Now you have your Hitler II that you deserve.



Hitler? Seriously?

Yes look at the parallels.

-Blaming all Problems on a other Religion.
-saying that the media that does not support him is fake News.
-extremely corrupt

The make america (germany) great again message.
Blaming foreigners for internal problems.
Increase military spending.
Populist speech.
Deranged behaviour.

Lots of warning signs.

Trump acts like a dictator. Let's hope that he doesn't become one.

I think he is already one.
Look at Stephan Miller, he is almost exact like Goebbels.

Don't be silly. Trump is objectively not a dictator, and won't become one. Bad president and dictator are not the same thing.

The signs are all there.
Remember that Hitler got elected then he became a dictator. Salazar started as member of government and then... I could keep giving you examples.
Look at what is happening in Turkey.

Of course the US have a political system that hopefully will keep trump in is place.

If the world survived two bushes...
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Twerp on March 12, 2017, 09:43:51 AM
I think there is hyperbole in this thread. Can anyone spot it?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on March 12, 2017, 10:18:25 AM
Does godwins law apply when we're talking about a president?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Pezevenk on March 12, 2017, 10:43:49 AM
Now you have your Hitler II that you deserve.



Hitler? Seriously?

Yes look at the parallels.

-Blaming all Problems on a other Religion.
-saying that the media that does not support him is fake News.
-extremely corrupt

The make america (germany) great again message.
Blaming foreigners for internal problems.
Increase military spending.
Populist speech.
Deranged behaviour.

Lots of warning signs.

Trump acts like a dictator. Let's hope that he doesn't become one.

I think he is already one.
Look at Stephan Miller, he is almost exact like Goebbels.

Don't be silly. Trump is objectively not a dictator, and won't become one. Bad president and dictator are not the same thing.

The signs are all there.
Remember that Hitler got elected then he became a dictator. Salazar started as member of government and then... I could keep giving you examples.
Look at what is happening in Turkey.

Of course the US have a political system that hopefully will keep trump in is place.

If the world survived two bushes...

Again, you're exaggerating. The condition in the US has nothing to do with the condition in 1930s Germany or Turkey.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Canadabear on March 12, 2017, 11:18:23 AM
Quote from: Definitely Not Official

Again, you're exaggerating. The condition in the US has nothing to do with the condition in 1930s Germany or Turkey.
[/quote

You are right, the US people should have been smarter and learned from that history.
They should not trust a guy that lies and cheat so much as Trump did.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Pezevenk on March 12, 2017, 03:35:59 PM
Quote from: Definitely Not Official

Again, you're exaggerating. The condition in the US has nothing to do with the condition in 1930s Germany or Turkey.
[/quote

You are right, the US people should have been smarter and learned from that history.
They should not trust a guy that lies and cheat so much as Trump did.

No they shouldn't, but you shouldn't be panicking. I can say with confidence that things are not going to go there.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on March 12, 2017, 03:54:36 PM
Do you guys honestly think Trump is more corrupt than Obama or Bush was, or Hillary would've been?

(https://s1.postimg.org/3l0lwoivz/1489294522781.jpg)

As long as the banks aren't bigots, they can take our freedom.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 12, 2017, 04:09:48 PM
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Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on March 12, 2017, 04:24:04 PM
Do you guys honestly think Trump is more corrupt than Obama or Bush was, or Hillary would've been?

(https://s1.postimg.org/3l0lwoivz/1489294522781.jpg)

As long as the banks aren't bigots, they can take our freedom.

By a long shot, yes. But Hillary became completely irrelevant to the topic on November 8th.

This whole rhetoric of Trump taking down the system and finally sticking up for the forgotten man is nice but look at what he's actually doing. Look at his policies and his choices.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on March 12, 2017, 04:28:50 PM
>Said what he planned to do.

>Gets in.

>Does exactly that.

>REEEEEEEEEE3EEE3EE

anyway not sure why I am still here. No one treats me the same after I tell them who I am. I really should go. This is embarrassing now.

I think Putin is a strong leader that loves his country for context.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 12, 2017, 05:41:43 PM
Do you want us to agree with you about Trump, or express our real opinions? If I just agreed with you when I really don't, that would be me not treating you the same. 
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: markjo on March 12, 2017, 07:54:56 PM
>Said what he planned to do.

>Gets in.

>Does exactly that.
Trump said that he wanted to help the "forgotten man".
http://ew.com/tv/2017/03/10/trevor-noah-trump-forgotten-man/
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: rabinoz on March 12, 2017, 08:16:16 PM
Quote from: George Takei
Apparently a "troubled person" attempted to gain entry to the White House.
He succeeded and now is the President.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on March 12, 2017, 08:21:22 PM
>Said what he planned to do.

>Gets in.

>Does exactly that.
Trump said that he wanted to help the "forgotten man".
http://ew.com/tv/2017/03/10/trevor-noah-trump-forgotten-man/

I was going to post a link to the video but a legit source hasn't appeared yet. Surprisingly good for a country song sung by a South African in a comedy show.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on March 12, 2017, 09:49:58 PM
Do you want us to agree with you about Trump, or express our real opinions? If I just agreed with you when I really don't, that would be me not treating you the same.

I respect your freedom to have your own opinions that's the difference.

Anyway I'm having a really tough time atm, over reacting, trying my best not to post anymore.

I considered a lot of people here friends before I was honest it's difficult.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on March 12, 2017, 09:53:55 PM
Now, lets all bask in the warm glow of biggotry against anyone with any kind of mental illness.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/shrinks-break-silence-president-trump-exhibits-traits-m-article-1.2957688

Feels good.

Fuck attacking his policies, lets just say he's crazy hurr durr.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on March 12, 2017, 10:01:22 PM
Even trans aboriginal muslims that have never had a job and have three rape charges, twenty seven assualt charges and three hundred and sixty five theft charges can rip on mentally ill people. They are better people. Fuck Trump, he's crazy.

Fuck them we can cut of our kids dicks, stone women to death, mutilate young girls genitals for a religion and its fine but if someone has depression let's rub their face in the dirt everytime they try to feel human.

To the gas chambers, comrades, lets gas all MI humans and create a perfect world of global communism.

Only then can we have a fair and equal society.

Fuck drumpf, gas everyone who has different opinions!
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Twerp on March 12, 2017, 10:07:26 PM
Now, lets all bask in the warm glow of biggotry against anyone with any kind of mental illness.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/shrinks-break-silence-president-trump-exhibits-traits-m-article-1.2957688

Feels good.

Fuck attacking his policies, lets just say he's crazy hurr durr.
Every political leader ever has made claims that were unrealistic. They don't care if it's unrealistic, they care whether the results of making said claim work in their favor politically.

The biased media would take those same statements made by one of their pets and present them as words of depth and wisdom.

True journalism is basically non-existent among the mainstream media.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on March 12, 2017, 10:10:49 PM
Everyones saying /pol/ sold out we've never supported a POTUS, correct although the media and powers that be have never tried to ruin a presidents term. (Except JFK)

Even after GW Bush admitted there was no (and never any) WMD's and we went into Iraq purely for geopolitical control and oil. The media (and obviously by extension everyone controlled by the media) kept saying he was doing a great job.

I have never seen such a disgusting attempt of the powers that be, their media (and the people the media controls) to discredit a president of the united states.

This leaves me two options.

1. The mass media actually has our best interest at heart instead of profit.

Or.

2. Powerful people are doing everything they can to have Trump impeached and so far he is still winning.

I chose option 2.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 13, 2017, 09:47:39 AM
The US media did not go on saying Bush was doing a great job (except for FOX News). I do think some US media was complicit in getting us into the Iraq quagmire, though.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Pezevenk on March 13, 2017, 01:47:53 PM
Everyones saying /pol/ sold out we've never supported a POTUS, correct although the media and powers that be have never tried to ruin a presidents term. (Except JFK)

Even after GW Bush admitted there was no (and never any) WMD's and we went into Iraq purely for geopolitical control and oil. The media (and obviously by extension everyone controlled by the media) kept saying he was doing a great job.

I have never seen such a disgusting attempt of the powers that be, their media (and the people the media controls) to discredit a president of the united states.

This leaves me two options.

1. The mass media actually has our best interest at heart instead of profit.

Or.

2. Powerful people are doing everything they can to have Trump impeached and so far he is still winning.

I chose option 2.

/pol/? Seriously?

How did you decide Trump is the one with our best interests at heart?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on March 13, 2017, 02:17:48 PM
Well there is one publication that says Trump is doing a great job.

(https://s24.postimg.org/pt7w5kfc5/2017_03_12_12_33_06.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/r89guagf5/)adult image host (https://pixxxels.org/)
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 13, 2017, 04:04:07 PM
I really really hope he can do something about medicine prices. Of course, if the crops rot in the fields because there's no cheap labor to harvest, then it won't really matter if we can afford medication!
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on March 13, 2017, 04:18:37 PM
The whole healthcare thing is a sore spot for me this election.  My wife and I are both professionals so we've got access to good healthcare.  My parents and my siblings however are not so fortunate.  They all rely on various parts of the ACA and they all voted for Trump whose plan was to repeal the ACA(the thing that keeps them from dying) and replace it with "something terrific".  The irony of it is enraging.  My family is very conservative, living on welfare and bitching about how those evil libtard snowflakes are ruining the country.  In the mean without the evil libtard snowflakes(my wife and I) to bail them out of every emergency their asses would be homeless..  But this is not looking good for poor people.  It looks spectacular for the billionaire class.  Trump tweeted about some kind of second round that's actually intended to help the non billionaires but based on the details I've read I'm not seeing anything encouraging.

Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on March 13, 2017, 08:35:05 PM
The healthcare thing is shit, paid.

Obamacare seemed decent.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on March 13, 2017, 08:36:25 PM
Everyones saying /pol/ sold out we've never supported a POTUS, correct although the media and powers that be have never tried to ruin a presidents term. (Except JFK)

Even after GW Bush admitted there was no (and never any) WMD's and we went into Iraq purely for geopolitical control and oil. The media (and obviously by extension everyone controlled by the media) kept saying he was doing a great job.

I have never seen such a disgusting attempt of the powers that be, their media (and the people the media controls) to discredit a president of the united states.

This leaves me two options.

1. The mass media actually has our best interest at heart instead of profit.

Or.

2. Powerful people are doing everything they can to have Trump impeached and so far he is still winning.

I chose option 2.

/pol/? Seriously?

How did you decide Trump is the one with our best interests at heart?

He didn't directly benefit from 9/11 and the ensuing unjust / illegal wars.

Yes /pol/ seriously. What happens when you let anyone and everyone say whatever they want?

It usually ends in truth.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on March 13, 2017, 09:45:58 PM
What happens when you let anyone and everyone say whatever they want?


Like crowd sourcing.

What's the other word . . . . . ummmmm . . . . . Oh, an election!


At least half the people running for office lose. It's not a random process.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on March 13, 2017, 10:38:24 PM
What happens when you let anyone and everyone say whatever they want?


Like crowd sourcing.

What's the other word . . . . . ummmmm . . . . . Oh, an election!


At least half the people running for office lose. It's not a random process.

Nice.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Pezevenk on March 14, 2017, 07:49:13 AM
Everyones saying /pol/ sold out we've never supported a POTUS, correct although the media and powers that be have never tried to ruin a presidents term. (Except JFK)

Even after GW Bush admitted there was no (and never any) WMD's and we went into Iraq purely for geopolitical control and oil. The media (and obviously by extension everyone controlled by the media) kept saying he was doing a great job.

I have never seen such a disgusting attempt of the powers that be, their media (and the people the media controls) to discredit a president of the united states.

This leaves me two options.

1. The mass media actually has our best interest at heart instead of profit.

Or.

2. Powerful people are doing everything they can to have Trump impeached and so far he is still winning.

I chose option 2.

/pol/? Seriously?

How did you decide Trump is the one with our best interests at heart?

He didn't directly benefit from 9/11 and the ensuing unjust / illegal wars.

Yes /pol/ seriously. What happens when you let anyone and everyone say whatever they want?

It usually ends in truth.

"Yes /pol/ seriously. What happens when you let anyone and everyone say whatever they want?"




"It usually ends in truth."

What did you say? I didn't hear you over the chimp screams...

"He didn't directly benefit from 9/11 and the ensuing unjust / illegal wars."

Wait, so everyone who didn't DIRECTLY benefit from these has our best interest at heart? What kind of logic is that?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on March 14, 2017, 09:08:30 PM
Chimpanzees aren't humans, sorry to burst your bubble there.

Evolution.

Everyone who did directly benefit from it doesn't have our best interests at heart, is that better?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Pezevenk on March 15, 2017, 07:57:50 AM
Chimpanzees aren't humans, sorry to burst your bubble there.

*FACEPALM*

For some reason I knew this was going to fly right over your head...

"Everyone who did directly benefit from it doesn't have our best interests at heart, is that better?"

Not really. If my distant uncle who was a member of the royal family of Nigeria dies and I inherit his fortune, that means I directly benefitted from his death. Does that mean I didn't have his best interests at heart?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on March 15, 2017, 08:13:00 AM
Chimpanzees aren't humans, sorry to burst your bubble there.

*FACEPALM*

For some reason I knew this was going to fly right over your head...

So, just to confirm, you think chimpanzees are humans?
Fascinating.

"Everyone who did directly benefit from it doesn't have our best interests at heart, is that better?"



Not really. If my distant uncle who was a member of the royal family of Nigeria dies and I inherit his fortune, that means I directly benefitted from his death. Does that mean I didn't have his best interests at heart?

If a man is made of straw can he actually debate?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Pezevenk on March 18, 2017, 12:26:51 PM
Chimpanzees aren't humans, sorry to burst your bubble there.

*FACEPALM*

For some reason I knew this was going to fly right over your head...

So, just to confirm, you think chimpanzees are humans?
Fascinating.

"Everyone who did directly benefit from it doesn't have our best interests at heart, is that better?"



Not really. If my distant uncle who was a member of the royal family of Nigeria dies and I inherit his fortune, that means I directly benefitted from his death. Does that mean I didn't have his best interests at heart?

If a man is made of straw can he actually debate?

*DOUBLE FACEPALM*

Of course I don't think humans are chimps... You're still missing the point.

"If a man is made of straw can he actually debate?"

Well that was irrelevant.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on March 19, 2017, 11:06:31 PM
The strawman comment was apt.

You are comparing humans to chimpanzees snd trying to draw conclusions about both.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: wise on March 22, 2017, 12:11:36 AM
Why do I support donald trump?

Because he is one of us.

(http://2.1m.yt/nCd8Sf1.png)
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on March 22, 2017, 12:17:31 AM

Why do I support donald trump?



Because you want the US to apply deodorant to your armpit of a country?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on March 22, 2017, 03:33:08 AM
"That he should to say the earth is flat."

Sure sounds like Trump, not exactly how Intikam types at all ::)

Terrible troll. 1/10
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Canadabear on March 22, 2017, 04:44:15 AM
"That he should to say the earth is flat."

Sure sounds like Trump, not exactly how Intikam types at all ::)

Terrible troll. 1/10

maybe Intikam is Trump.
they are very similar
-is an idiot
-has no clue about the stuff he is talking about
-lying like crasy
-believing in his own lies
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on March 22, 2017, 07:44:45 AM
Maybe Canadabear is hillary ???
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Canadabear on March 22, 2017, 07:53:48 AM
Maybe Canadabear is hillary ???

why?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on March 22, 2017, 07:55:49 AM
Maybe Canadabear is hillary ???

why?


Shrill and unimportant.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Shifter on March 23, 2017, 09:43:53 PM
I say he is the tough pill America needed. Too long America has been an oligarchy. The Presidents only fielded by a very narrow pool of people too far connected and in debt to everyone except the general voter. Saudi Arabia pumped many millions of dollars into Hillarys democratic campaign. I doubt it was through the goodness of their Wahhabi heart. Had she won, The Saudis would be looking for some kind of 'return' on their investment. I don't think Trump will make the greatest President, but I think certainly a warmer relationship with Russia is not a bad thing. It appeared the democrats were keen to completely dissolve the relationship and be bitter enemies. 2 extremely power nuclear armed nations at each others throats.... That helps who exactly?

Whoever runs against Trump in the future, probably wont (or shouldn't) need uber wealthy backers like the Saudi Arabian government, Monsanto, media outlets or oil conglomerates etc so the future President need not be such an obvious puppet. I just hope the Democrats put someone of substance, calibre and intelligence and not someone simply to plug 'affirmative' or 'progressive' action and thus discriminate potential candidates based on skin, gender or sexuality lines.

In the short term, Trump will look rough and he may not even last anyway given that the rules of democracy don't seem to be accepted when it doesn't go the way the millennials wanted. But in the longer term I think it will be better off for America.

To be clear though, I don't 'support' him. He was simply a tough and bitter pill that was needed to shake up 'the establishment'. Whatever his many faults, that was one ideal I think he was right on.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on March 23, 2017, 10:28:43 PM
Drain the swamp!!
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Shifter on March 23, 2017, 10:34:15 PM
Drain the swamp!!

A colourful if not eloquent way of putting it :)
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Canadabear on March 24, 2017, 04:35:05 AM
Drain the swamp!!

yes he did drain the swamp, only to dig it deeper and refill it.

look only what kind of people he puts in important positions, only billionaires that give a shit about the other people and the environment.
they are only working to fill their pockets.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on March 24, 2017, 04:50:09 AM
Still the least corrupt POTUS for a long time imo.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Canadabear on March 24, 2017, 05:09:53 AM
Still the least corrupt POTUS for a long time imo.

really?

which member of staff of a former president did advertising for the products of the presidents daughter on national TV.

which President did meet other presidents at his private resort?

and which president had his wife living in his own house and also gets money for rent out room to the security personal.

which president did have each weekend off at his own resort with his staff?


thats only a few that are very obvious.

more is that the person who has control over the sanctions against russia is the former CEO of EXXON who has a contract to drill for oil in russia that is at the moment block by these sanctions.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: totallackey on March 24, 2017, 06:14:48 AM
Drain the swamp!!

yes he did drain the swamp, only to dig it deeper and refill it.

look only what kind of people he puts in important positions, only billionaires...
What billionaires in what positions?

I must be missing something...
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Canadabear on March 24, 2017, 06:36:23 AM
Drain the swamp!!

yes he did drain the swamp, only to dig it deeper and refill it.

look only what kind of people he puts in important positions, only billionaires...
What billionaires in what positions?

I must be missing something...

Wilbur Ross: $2.5 billion (Secretary of Commerce)
Betsy DeVos: $1.25 billion (Secretary of Education)

and millionairs
Rex Tillerson: $325 million (Secretary of State)
Steven Mnuchin: $300 million (Secretary of the Treasury)

Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: totallackey on March 24, 2017, 07:18:33 AM
Drain the swamp!!

yes he did drain the swamp, only to dig it deeper and refill it.

look only what kind of people he puts in important positions, only billionaires...
What billionaires in what positions?

I must be missing something...

Wilbur Ross: $2.5 billion (Secretary of Commerce)
"Ross is known as the "King of Bankruptcy" for his experience in buying bankrupt companies, primarily in the manufacturing and steel industries, and later selling them for a large profit after operations improve."

Sounds like improvement to commerce!
Betsy DeVos: $1.25 billion (Secretary of Education)
While a supporter of school choice, I am unsure of the qualifications.

and millionairs
Rex Tillerson: $325 million (Secretary of State)
I have no problem with Tillerson.
Steven Mnuchin: $300 million (Secretary of the Treasury)
Although I believe money is absolutely unnecessary, it seems to me you would want a rich guy taking care of the treasury.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Canadabear on March 24, 2017, 07:30:23 AM
Drain the swamp!!

yes he did drain the swamp, only to dig it deeper and refill it.

look only what kind of people he puts in important positions, only billionaires...
What billionaires in what positions?

I must be missing something...

Wilbur Ross: $2.5 billion (Secretary of Commerce)
"Ross is known as the "King of Bankruptcy" for his experience in buying bankrupt companies, primarily in the manufacturing and steel industries, and later selling them for a large profit after operations improve."

Sounds like improvement to commerce!
Betsy DeVos: $1.25 billion (Secretary of Education)
While a supporter of school choice, I am unsure of the qualifications.

and millionairs
Rex Tillerson: $325 million (Secretary of State)
I have no problem with Tillerson.
Steven Mnuchin: $300 million (Secretary of the Treasury)
Although I believe money is absolutely unnecessary, it seems to me you would want a rich guy taking care of the treasury.

"King of Bankruptcy", yes he helped Trump a lot of times when he was Bankrupt.
BTW how to go Bankrupt with a Casino, looks like Trump is not a good businessman as he claims.
and how did Trump make his money? he ruined small companies by not paying them. Yes that how you can build a Building under Budget.

how can somebody have a qualifications if that somebody has no experience to run a school.
She even made it barely to her position, only with the help of the vice president. even republicans voted against her.

Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 24, 2017, 10:20:07 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7rscsyXwAAt9e0.jpg)

Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on March 24, 2017, 10:31:46 AM


how can somebody have a qualifications if that somebody has no experience to run a school.
She even made it barely to her position, only with the help of the vice president. even republicans voted against her.

I think her qualifications are obvious; she gave $200 million dollars to the Republican party. Drain the swamp indeed.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 24, 2017, 10:52:50 AM
Once the Trump train finally crashes and burns there will be enough to keep conspiracy theorists busy for decades http://americablog.com/2017/03/national-enquirer-brands-flynn-russian-spy-trump-just-threw-flynn-bus.html
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on March 24, 2017, 11:08:52 AM
I say he is the tough pill America needed. Too long America has been an oligarchy. The Presidents only fielded by a very narrow pool of people too far connected and in debt to everyone except the general voter. Saudi Arabia pumped many millions of dollars into Hillarys democratic campaign. I doubt it was through the goodness of their Wahhabi heart. Had she won, The Saudis would be looking for some kind of 'return' on their investment. I don't think Trump will make the greatest President, but I think certainly a warmer relationship with Russia is not a bad thing. It appeared the democrats were keen to completely dissolve the relationship and be bitter enemies. 2 extremely power nuclear armed nations at each others throats.... That helps who exactly?

Whoever runs against Trump in the future, probably wont (or shouldn't) need uber wealthy backers like the Saudi Arabian government, Monsanto, media outlets or oil conglomerates etc so the future President need not be such an obvious puppet. I just hope the Democrats put someone of substance, calibre and intelligence and not someone simply to plug 'affirmative' or 'progressive' action and thus discriminate potential candidates based on skin, gender or sexuality lines.

In the short term, Trump will look rough and he may not even last anyway given that the rules of democracy don't seem to be accepted when it doesn't go the way the millennials wanted. But in the longer term I think it will be better off for America.

To be clear though, I don't 'support' him. He was simply a tough and bitter pill that was needed to shake up 'the establishment'. Whatever his many faults, that was one ideal I think he was right on.

Before he took office I saw a few possible silver linings.

Politicians might finally "come to Jesus" and remember who they're supposed to be working for.  Might still happen.  Who knows.

The other is Trump, being independently wealthy and not beholden to special interests, could actually stand up to lobbyists and piss off the right people to correct some of the imbalances in our system.  Sadly this is not how things are working out so far. 
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on March 24, 2017, 11:31:31 AM
Once the Trump train finally crashes and burns there will be enough to keep conspiracy theorists busy for decades http://americablog.com/2017/03/national-enquirer-brands-flynn-russian-spy-trump-just-threw-flynn-bus.html

But it's so exciting.  Today Trump is forcing a vote to repeal the ACA.  Trump doesn't exactly know what's in the bill he just really needs a win at this point.  But it looks like it's going to fail, largely because a group of republicans don't think it screws poor people hard enough.  Also, surprisingly, there's a few congressmen that are actually concerned that it'll likely double the amount of people without insurance.  But they are scrambling really hard.  It's a real nail biter.

It's a lot like the plot of the movie Lincoln.  Except that instead of conspiring to free the slaves, they're conspiring to take away health care from poor people and give the money to billionaires.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 24, 2017, 12:54:13 PM
Twitter is saying they've killed the Trumpcare bill. Just before the House was supposed to vote on it.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on March 24, 2017, 12:59:28 PM
Yep.  It was a pretty lively debate right up until they pulled it.  My favorite line was something like, "The improvements in healthcare promised by this bill are as worthless as a degree from Trump University".  Wish I could remember the exact line.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 24, 2017, 01:22:02 PM
Poor Paul Ryan.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 24, 2017, 04:40:23 PM
Poor Paul Ryan.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7tquN1VQAAJPgM.jpg)

lol... I had to google the song to remember it.

Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on March 24, 2017, 07:36:11 PM
I'm feeling an inappropriate amount of schadenfreude from this fiasco today. I'm not sure what to do about it. I think I'll confess it to a priest on Sunday.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on March 24, 2017, 09:01:18 PM
8 years guys.

Buckle up.

All Trump has to do is to keep showing that he is not a puppet. He won't be voted out.

(https://s2.postimg.org/658qwl67t/1490071022276.png)
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: DuckDodgers on March 24, 2017, 09:10:33 PM
Trump is worse than a puppet though, he is a tool.   He is also all talk. If he isn't able to get anything done with congress, then I doubt the great negotiator will trick people in to thinking he can do it in his 2nd go around. Plus, if almost anyone else had gone up against him, he would have lost.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on March 24, 2017, 10:26:33 PM
if almost anyone else had gone up against him, he would have lost.

I don't disagree with that.

However I think Trump is trying his best, which is more than can be said for the last few presidents.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on March 25, 2017, 02:15:25 AM
I don't vote for people. I vote for policy.

Ergo, Trump.

Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Luke 22:35-38 on March 25, 2017, 09:20:34 PM
Now you have your Hitler II that you deserve.



Hitler? Seriously?

Yes look at the parallels.

-Blaming all Problems on a other Religion.
-saying that the media that does not support him is fake News.
-extremely corrupt

-Liking cake.

-Both are males.

-Both used the bathroom.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Twerp on March 25, 2017, 09:38:07 PM
Even Hitler hates Trump LOL:

Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on March 25, 2017, 10:01:48 PM
Now you have your Hitler II that you deserve.



Hitler? Seriously?

Yes look at the parallels.

-Blaming all Problems on a other Religion.
-saying that the media that does not support him is fake News.
-extremely corrupt

(https://s2.postimg.org/zfw2q8l15/images-13.jpg)
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on March 25, 2017, 11:29:36 PM
There's never been a president that wasn't compared to Hitler going all the way back to George Washington, granted the accusation didn't make much sense until about 70 years ago.

On the other hand this kind of scrutiny on anyone wielding that much power is a good thing as long as it's an informed criticism and not something like "he's a crypto-atheist-muslim-communist!!!111". 
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on March 26, 2017, 03:08:03 PM
This headline was hilarious to me.

(https://s27.postimg.org/v1pbkt2lf/trump_sign.png) (https://postimg.org/image/5voddz1b3/)screenshot program (https://postimage.org/app.php)

Yeah, I have a dark sense of humor.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 26, 2017, 03:30:41 PM
https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/846112245797007360

 Fox News‏Verified account @FoxNews 57m57 minutes ago
News Alert: @POTUS spending weekend working at the White House.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C739rYXVMAEgf6N.jpg)

NEWS ALERT!

We might as well find it all hilarious. What else can we do?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on March 26, 2017, 07:57:55 PM
We might as well find it all hilarious. What else can we do?

Laugh at the comment section?

I did.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on March 26, 2017, 08:09:26 PM
It's based on things that might not be apparent unless you're very familiar with its history.

Trump spent a lot of time criticizing Obama for going golfing too much. On the campaign trail he promised to never take a vacation while in office. Since Trump took office he has spent every weekend at his own high end resort golfing and billing the tax payers for it at tremendous expense. In fact if it keeps going this way he's going to run up a golf budget higher than a lot of the public programs wants to cancel.

It's one of those things that don't really matter that much. Presidents never take actual vacations. They just try to do something relaxing while also doing business. But it's still something people like to criticize the president for.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on March 26, 2017, 08:32:22 PM
Oh I get it, I just think it's petty. I gave heaps of shit to the guys saying obama was a kenyan muslim.

We can criticize his policy without chimping out like the comment section.

I don't like his policies on healthcare.

I don't like that criminals in the last governments aren't in jail.

Few more things, the guy could be a little thicker skinned and he should think before he tweets.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Pezevenk on March 27, 2017, 08:24:18 AM
I don't vote for people. I vote for policy.

Ergo, Trump.

He seems to have a bit of trouble with that one...  ::)
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on March 27, 2017, 09:58:43 AM
Oh I get it, I just think it's petty. I gave heaps of shit to the guys saying obama was a kenyan muslim.

We can criticize his policy without chimping out like the comment section.

I don't like his policies on healthcare.

I don't like that criminals in the last governments aren't in jail.

Few more things, the guy could be a little thicker skinned and he should think before he tweets.

It is petty.  Well normally it would be petty.  The scale of it changes things a little.  A while back Trump released a budget proposal slashing pretty much everything except military spending. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-presidential-budget-2018-proposal/?utm_term=.1244fddf1b6c

There's some pretty juicy cuts there such as the cuts to the EPA and the State Department which total billions.  But there's also a lot of smaller programs that he would like to see cut.

http://time.com/money/4639544/trump-nea-sesame-street-budget-cut/

A lot of these are less than Trump's golf budget.  A few that stand out to me are the Office of Violence Against Women and the Corporation for Public Broadcasting.  The CPB makes a show call 'Sesame Street', among other things.  I'm not sure if it's well known outside of the U.S.  It's an educational show for children with muppets, extremely popular here. 

So to see Trump say that we need to cut funding to Sesame Street to survive and then spend even more tax payer money on golfing at a high end resort, it just seems a little too close to a 'let them eat cake' moment.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on March 27, 2017, 12:57:51 PM
https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/846112245797007360

 Fox News‏Verified account @FoxNews 57m57 minutes ago
News Alert: @POTUS spending weekend working at the White House.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C739rYXVMAEgf6N.jpg)

NEWS ALERT!

We might as well find it all hilarious. What else can we do?

Fake news it turns out.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/03/27/fox-news-said-trump-spent-the-weekend-working-at-the-white-house-he-was-at-his-golf-club/?utm_term=.88e46db23a73
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 27, 2017, 03:23:33 PM
Yeah, people were replying to that tweet with pictures of him golfing!

Did you see Ted Koppel tell Hannity that he is bad for America?

Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Badxtoss on March 27, 2017, 05:09:49 PM
if almost anyone else had gone up against him, he would have lost.

I don't disagree with that.

However I think Trump is trying his best, which is more than can be said for the last few presidents.
I don't agree with that.  I think trump is in over his head and doesn't seem to be doing the actual work.  He shows no indication of doing his homework and actually trying to understand the intricacies of the various situations.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on March 27, 2017, 05:13:50 PM
Better than those that would intentionally throw us to the wolves imo.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on March 27, 2017, 05:16:51 PM
if almost anyone else had gone up against him, he would have lost.

I don't disagree with that.

However I think Trump is trying his best, which is more than can be said for the last few presidents.
I don't agree with that.  I think trump is in over his head and doesn't seem to be doing the actual work.  He shows no indication of doing his homework and actually trying to understand the intricacies of the various situations.


Leaders lead. They don't get their knees dirty.

The past few decades has devolved into an executive v. legislative death match.

The combatants need to get back in their respective corners and start doing the jobs they were hired to do.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on March 27, 2017, 05:39:57 PM
^^

Based.

Quote
So is meme magick dangerous? Curtis suggests it is, but uses a phrase familiar to government intelligence communities to describe the phenomenon: "perception management."

Plus they are absolutely terrified that /we/ are about to pull the curtains down from the last 15 years.

In my very humble opinion.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on March 27, 2017, 06:19:58 PM
Let's give it another 1,500 hours and see what happens.

Only 32,850 hours to go.   ::)
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Badxtoss on March 27, 2017, 08:30:22 PM
Better than those that would intentionally throw us to the wolves imo.
I don't think there's any question trump wants to throw us to the wolves.  It's literally his business model.  Everyone not him is worthy of getting shit on.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on March 27, 2017, 08:36:59 PM
Better than those that would intentionally throw us to the wolves imo.
I don't think there's any question trump wants to throw us to the wolves.  It's literally his business model.  Everyone not him is worthy of getting shit on.

We are on different pages.

That's fine. We can agree to disagree :).
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Twerp on March 27, 2017, 08:40:00 PM
I think it's too early to tell.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on March 27, 2017, 08:59:11 PM
Better than those that would intentionally throw us to the wolves imo.
I don't think there's any question trump wants to throw us to the wolves.  It's literally his business model.  Everyone not him is worthy of getting shit on.


In all fairness, poor people in America are not unclothed and starving in the streets.

If minimum wage was a million dollars per year the poverty level would be one million dollars per year.

Like digging a hole in the surface of a lake. 



Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on March 28, 2017, 05:21:30 PM
WE ARE WINNING!!

https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/03/trumps-executive-order-on-climate-change-finally-drops/

https://www.engadget.com/2017/03/28/us-house-votes-to-let-isps-sell-your-browser-history/
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 28, 2017, 05:36:09 PM
Bannon should tell Trump to veto the ISP thing, this would be something easy he could do to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on March 28, 2017, 05:41:06 PM
Any move to censor or control the internet will be met with fierce resistance.

If you want to hide what you are doing use a proxy.

I hope Trump refuses to sign it.

There will be consequences, the internet gave us free dissemination of information, they are now rushing to close down all lines of free and open communication. Whats the point of controlling television when we can get our news and information from locals and peers.

Scary stuff.

I fear soon we will all be forced to sign up for facebook and browse the internet through facebook. (We will dos it into oblivion if this happens) where everything we have ever done is kept on record to make a character profile.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on March 28, 2017, 05:54:35 PM
Trump's advisers are telling him to sign it.  It's really a no brainer.  Secretly selling customer data is pretty hard to defend unless you're working for the corporations.

The forced sign up for Facebook is still a ways away.  But I've heard murmurs here and there.  Job applicants forced to hand over their logins to employers.  Very troubling.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on March 28, 2017, 06:08:42 PM
It sure is troubling.

It's sad this is the way things are going.

I still feel Trump was the better candidate to stand up against globalization.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Twerp on March 28, 2017, 11:04:33 PM
The forced sign up for Facebook is still a ways away.  But I've heard murmurs here and there.  Job applicants forced to hand over their logins to employers.  Very troubling.

When it happens I'm going to go live in a cabin or a cave and eat Moose meat!
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on March 28, 2017, 11:22:39 PM
The forced sign up for Facebook is still a ways away.  But I've heard murmurs here and there.  Job applicants forced to hand over their logins to employers.  Very troubling.

When it happens I'm going to go live in a cabin or a cave and eat Moose meat!

RUN AWAY BULLWINKLE!!
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Canadabear on March 29, 2017, 06:26:08 AM
It sure is troubling.

It's sad this is the way things are going.

I still feel Trump was the better candidate to stand up against globalization.

and that would be also a horror for all the Flat Earth Idea Believer  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: DuckDodgers on March 29, 2017, 06:30:46 AM
The forced sign up for Facebook is still a ways away.  But I've heard murmurs here and there.  Job applicants forced to hand over their logins to employers.  Very troubling.
That is actually illegal in the US. Not saying it doesn't happen, but employers can't legally require an employee to hand over their personal social media account info.  They can't even legally force an employee prospect to friend them on social media.

As for the isp bill, denying isps the right to collect data traveling over their own networks is burdening regulation, can't you all see this? Down with the regulation state, no regulations for anyone!
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on March 29, 2017, 08:41:37 AM
As for the isp bill, denying isps the right to collect data traveling over their own networks is burdening regulation, can't you all see this? Down with the regulation state, no regulations for anyone!

As for the legality of murder, denying people the right to shoot people that beat them in poker is a burden to my financial situation, can't you all see this? Down with the regulation state, no regulations for anyone!
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 30, 2017, 09:07:20 AM
Tim Berners-Lee has posted an interesting article https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/03/three-challenges-for-the-internet-according-to-its-inventor 
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Canadabear on March 30, 2017, 09:53:26 AM

looks like trump starts to implement more things to control the people of the country.

i think he will slowly build up a system that ensures that he also will get revoted in 4 years.

than its only a little step that he will remove the limit of 2 periods as president.

or he will even control it that one of his sons will follow him.

he already implement his daughter and his son in law in the white house.

USA will become a family business of the Trumps.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Twerp on March 30, 2017, 09:58:29 AM
The country will very likely be re-named to TRUMPLAND!
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: DuckDodgers on March 30, 2017, 10:02:02 AM
I've been talking with people about the double edged sword he is referring to with his 2nd point. Social media has provided everyone a voice for their opinions and facts but it also makes spreading fake information incredibly easy.

I'd be curious what his, or his organizations', theories on solutions to those problems are. The fake news situation should work itself out, but it won't with people starting to view any contradictory news as fake. The data collection problem had a potential fix (sort of) but that just got squashed by Congress. The political advertising falls back in line with the fake news bit too.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: FalseProphet on March 30, 2017, 10:09:36 AM
Now you have your Hitler II that you deserve.



Hitler? Seriously?

Yes look at the parallels.

-Blaming all Problems on a other Religion.
-saying that the media that does not support him is fake News.
-extremely corrupt

(https://s2.postimg.org/zfw2q8l15/images-13.jpg)

There are some parallels, but actually not really. Trump is a completely different character. Trump could not write a book like "Mein Kampf". Also he wouldn't want to. He has no ideology. He doesn't mean anything when he says words.

The overall situation in America is a bit like the Soviet Union in the late 80's. They also had a system that nobody wanted anymore. In the case of America, it is a system ruled by corporations who basically have politicians of both parties as their employees.

Obama would be your Gorbachev. He brought some "change", but not enough. The Russians never liked him as much as the West did.

The Trump administration would be a bit as if the Coup of August 1991 had succeeded. There was no coup in America, but Trump won because he lured his voters into believing that he would bring an end to the corporate ruled system ("drain the swamp"). Instead he kind of merged the state and the corporate networks (by the way, that was Mussolini's definition of Fascism). Now you have a government that works 100% for the interests of the billionaires. Like the coup of 1991 wanted to throw Russia back into a stone age  communism, the Trump administration aims to establish a kind of stone age capitalism: back to coal, cutting all environmental and bank regulations, cutting social security, transferring tax money back to the rich and so on.

But it is true, a parallel to Hitler is the strategy which they use to direct the attention of the people away from the real problems: get rid of the illegal latinos and the Muslims and everything will be fine. Slaughter random brown people in some starveling countries like Yemen (to fight "ISIS") and streams of oil will pour into the land and nobody will have to pay taxes anymore. Or something.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on March 30, 2017, 02:59:42 PM
I'm detecting some bias here.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 30, 2017, 03:10:11 PM
Everyone is biased.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on March 30, 2017, 04:13:25 PM
True fact.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: FalseProphet on March 30, 2017, 04:31:30 PM
I'm detecting some bias here.

Come on, a sentence like "Trump is trying to do his best" is ridiculous. I live on the other side of the world and even I know that all he does is twitter, watching TV and playing golf.

Being objective is not always the same as being neutral. What do you think about the shape of the earth?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on March 30, 2017, 05:01:36 PM
I'm detecting some bias here.

Come on, a sentence like "Trump is trying to do his best" is ridiculous. I live on the other side of the world and even I know that all he does is twitter, watching TV and playing golf.

Being objective is not always the same as being neutral. What do you think about the shape of the earth?

That's really low and I'm pretty neutral.

Weak strawman, I've seen weaker but still.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: GlaringEye on March 31, 2017, 03:05:37 AM
Was't Trump supposed to drain the swamp, and end with political dynasties and corporate powers? Then why is he creating his own dynasty and supporting the already rich? I'm not sure this is going towards the direction people was told. And I'm pretty sure he's not doing his best at all.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on March 31, 2017, 06:36:51 AM
Was't Trump supposed to drain the swamp, and end with political dynasties and corporate powers? Then why is he creating his own dynasty and supporting the already rich? I'm not sure this is going towards the direction people was told. And I'm pretty sure he's not doing his best at all.

He is a narcissistic, billionaire, demagogue. He never gave any specifics for the great things he claimed he would do. He routinely demonstrated a complete disregard for the truth.

Who could have ever seen this coming?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on March 31, 2017, 07:08:39 AM
If it came down to satan and Hillary in the election I would have been overwhelmingly pro satan.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on March 31, 2017, 07:34:18 AM
If it came down to satan and Hillary in the election I would have been overwhelmingly pro satan.

I am curious. What made Hillary such a bad candidate in your opinion?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on March 31, 2017, 07:35:53 AM
9/11 and the war on terror.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on March 31, 2017, 07:39:52 AM
9/11 and the war on terror.

I'm pretty sure Bush was president during both of those. How are you connecting them to Hillary?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on March 31, 2017, 07:49:40 AM
She was involved every step of the way, Hillary, Bush, Obama are criminals, Hillary was a puppet, we would be quickly heading towards a war with Russia for hacking americas paper ballots in the other timeline imo.

They are still pushing for it.

You have to understand I believe the system is corrupt to the core, that's why the more the media and powers attack Trump the more I like him.

I am Australian but we have followed you into every damn war you ever started, I believe Trump will get us out of the middle east, memba the war on terror? Memba millions of innocent women and children dead to "collateral damage?" I memba. But Hillary has supported this from day one however would have let us use the opposite sexes bathrooms... the clear candidate....
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on March 31, 2017, 08:30:11 AM
She was involved every step of the way, Hillary, Bush, Obama are criminals, Hillary was a puppet, we would be quickly heading towards a war with Russia for hacking americas paper ballots in the other timeline imo.

They are still pushing for it.

Do you have evidence for any of that?

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You have to understand I believe the system is corrupt to the core, that's why the more the media and powers attack Trump the more I like him.

What if the media was telling the truth about Trump, and Trump is the one lying. Would that make a difference to you?

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I am Australian but we have followed you into every damn war you ever started, I believe Trump will get us out of the middle east, memba the war on terror? Memba millions of innocent women and children dead to "collateral damage?" I memba. But Hillary has supported this from day one however would have let us use the opposite sexes bathrooms... the clear candidate....

You realize that Trump was originally for the war (http://) as well, right? Not to mention he has advocated war crimes such as waterboarding, targeting the families of terrorists, and stealing Iraq's oil. He even hinted that "Maybe we'll have another chance" (http://) to steal Iraq's oil. This was not a one-time, flippant remark either. He reiterated the possibility in an interview with ABC.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: FalseProphet on March 31, 2017, 08:31:49 AM
Trump is pushing this "war on terror" more than Obama did. He does not aim to "get you out of the Middle East", he just said so to get elected. In fact the number of civilians killed by the US army has increased almost 500% since Trump has become president. That does not mean that the number of air strikes or other operations has increased, it has not. That only means that the new administration does care even less for civilian casualties. Now it's about killing Muslims. The media hardly cover that, but it will get worse and worse.

Trump lets Obama look like a Nobel peace laureate.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 31, 2017, 01:38:11 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/847455180912181249

 Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump Mar 30

The failing @nytimes has disgraced the media world. Gotten me wrong for two solid years. Change libel laws?


When he doesn't like what they write they are "failing" and "libeling" him. I wonder if he feels that the libel laws should have been changed while he was knowingly falsely accusing Obama of being born in Kenya? Or when he was accusing him of being Muslim?

I think he's trying to distract from $25 million he has to pay back to the people he defrauded at Trump University.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on March 31, 2017, 04:49:27 PM
It's fine to dislike him, everyone has different opinions.

You sure do love your TV Totes.
I don't have evidence (TV didn't tell us.)

http://www.mostdamagingwikileaks.com/
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: FalseProphet on March 31, 2017, 05:02:04 PM
numbers are numbers, opinions are opinions.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on March 31, 2017, 05:09:40 PM
Trump inherited a mess imo, we can't just ignore Isis, he needs to see out what he started with.

We've been there for 16 years now, 16 years of an unjust and illegal war on an ideology instead of a enemy, I'll give the guy more than three months to make a proper exit strategy.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on March 31, 2017, 05:17:44 PM

. . . we would be quickly heading towards a war with Russia for hacking americas paper ballots in the other timeline imo.



Putin did not influence the election any more than a voter allowed him to.
Media was all jacked off about it; media is easily jacked off.   :P


Putin's goal is to destabilize and debase our system.
That is to be expected.
We took out the U.S.S.R.
Putin is KGB. He's pissed off. What else would we expect?



Why does the side of good always ease up 3/4 of the way to the finish line?

Win the trophy, . . . then be gracious!


Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on March 31, 2017, 05:22:08 PM
It's fine to dislike him, everyone has different opinions.

You sure do love your TV Totes.
I don't have evidence (TV didn't tell us.)

http://www.mostdamagingwikileaks.com/

You made a specific accusation against Hillary, and nothing on the site you linked backs up that accusation that I can find. Be more specific.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on March 31, 2017, 05:24:28 PM
It's fine to dislike him, everyone has different opinions.

You sure do love your TV Totes.
I don't have evidence (TV didn't tell us.)

http://www.mostdamagingwikileaks.com/

You made a specific accusation against Hillary, and nothing on the site you linked backs up that accusation that I can find. Be more specific.

That we would be heading towards war with Russia?

I can't link to a TV saying that, no, sorry.

(https://s4.postimg.org/aw7e2zez1/News-_God-is-in-tv.png)
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on March 31, 2017, 05:28:22 PM
However this, imo, is pretty close.



I am not naive enough to believe either  the US or Russia are innocent.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on March 31, 2017, 05:37:49 PM

I am not naive enough to believe either the US or Russia are innocent.



The feud keeps money flowing.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on March 31, 2017, 05:40:15 PM
One country jails and silently murders those who criticize their president.

The other slams every president hey have that there's a late night TV industry built around it.

Make of that what you may.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on March 31, 2017, 05:48:47 PM
One country jails and silently murders those who criticize their president.

The other slams every president hey have that there's a late night TV industry built around it.

Make of that what you may.


Easy choice.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on March 31, 2017, 05:49:55 PM
It's fine to dislike him, everyone has different opinions.

You sure do love your TV Totes.
I don't have evidence (TV didn't tell us.)

http://www.mostdamagingwikileaks.com/

You made a specific accusation against Hillary, and nothing on the site you linked backs up that accusation that I can find. Be more specific.

That we would be heading towards war with Russia?

That "we would be quickly heading towards a war with Russia for hacking americas paper ballots".
That "She was involved every step of the way" with 9/11 and the Iraq war.

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I can't link to a TV saying that, no, sorry.

Why do you keep bringing TV into this? When have I ever specified a preference for TV sources? Use whatever source you want. We can debate the reliability of the source afterwards.

However this, imo, is pretty close.



Again, that video doesn't support any of the accusations you have made thus far. In the future, please link to the exact time in the video that supports your argument. Or directly quote the video. I don't want to sit through a long video only to find out that it isn't even related to the accusation you made.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bom Tishop on March 31, 2017, 06:05:16 PM
It was clear in Hillary's tone that relations would have plummeted with Russia...

Stupid remarks and sanctions is what leads to war (world war two original catalyst was support poles..Very stupid).

The dipshits in Washington have forgotten this..When is the last time we fought an actual enemy?? World war 2.... So Washington is fat and cocky...Not to mention they could give a fuck about the American people, so who cares about sending your populous out to die for you. Doesn't effect them..

There will be a day they get us into an actual war with a competent enemy... We may still win, but at what cost?

Hillary is one of the biggest violators in this...Thus why I would have never voted for her..(there are many other reasons, such as the ignorant regressive left she is a proprietor for, fiscal irresponsibility..But my main reason was our safety.)
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on March 31, 2017, 06:22:55 PM
It was clear in Hillary's tone that relations would have plummeted with Russia...

That's not the accusation that disputeone made though. But to address your point, wasn't it obvious by Trump's tone that relations would plummet with many other nations besides Russia? Mexico, Germany, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and perhaps China and the rest of Europe.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bom Tishop on March 31, 2017, 06:38:23 PM
It was clear in Hillary's tone that relations would have plummeted with Russia...

That's not the accusation that disputeone made though. But to address your point, wasn't it obvious by Trump's tone that relations would plummet with many other nations besides Russia? Mexico, Germany, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and perhaps China and the rest of Europe.

There was a difference in tone. The only things Trump sent to other countries was he thought trade was unfair, and they weren't pitching in as they should in NATO.

Even in his inaugural Address he said he wanted good relationships with these counties, he was just going to take America first. I don't find that wrong, these countries are taking themselves first. Why do we have to be the ones sucking it up? Not like we have a money tree or an infinite populous.

Hillary, completely different tonality. Very damaging, accusations, sanctions, and her hints of what she would do towards Russia if she were president scared me to the core. All I could do is think of how all the serious wars have started from identical shit.

Then all I could think of is how we the populous are completely expendable and mean nothing to the idiots controlling the hill.

Thus why I was anybody but Hillary.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: FalseProphet on March 31, 2017, 07:15:08 PM
Trump inherited a mess imo, we can't just ignore Isis, he needs to see out what he started with.

We've been there for 16 years now, 16 years of an unjust and illegal war on an ideology instead of a enemy, I'll give the guy more than three months to make a proper exit strategy.

Nobody in the Trump administration wants an exit strategy and the IS is no substantial threat to America. Do you know that the vast majority of terror attacks in America is done by white Christian Supremacists? That may change though when they further escalate the situation. IS is good for Trump and Trump is good for IS. Trump's approval rating is abysmal and the only thing I can imagine that would change that is a big Muslim terror attack.

And again, Trump himself is not the one who governs. He is apparently demented.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on March 31, 2017, 08:10:14 PM
It was clear in Hillary's tone that relations would have plummeted with Russia...

Stupid remarks and sanctions is what leads to war (world war two original catalyst was support poles..Very stupid).

The dipshits in Washington have forgotten this..When is the last time we fought an actual enemy?? World war 2.... So Washington is fat and cocky...Not to mention they could give a fuck about the American people, so who cares about sending your populous out to die for you. Doesn't effect them..

There will be a day they get us into an actual war with a competent enemy... We may still win, but at what cost?

Hillary is one of the biggest violators in this...Thus why I would have never voted for her..(there are many other reasons, such as the ignorant regressive left she is a proprietor for, fiscal irresponsibility..But my main reason was our safety.)

I'm not sure if I agree with your assessment of the sanctions. We had a pact to defend Ukraine and Russia invaded. Were we just supposed to let that slide? I think the sanctions were a good compromise between throwing an ally to the wolves and starting ww2.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on March 31, 2017, 08:21:53 PM
It was clear in Hillary's tone that relations would have plummeted with Russia...

That's not the accusation that disputeone made though. But to address your point, wasn't it obvious by Trump's tone that relations would plummet with many other nations besides Russia? Mexico, Germany, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and perhaps China and the rest of Europe.

There was a difference in tone. The only things Trump sent to other countries was he thought trade was unfair, and they weren't pitching in as they should in NATO.

Even in his inaugural Address he said he wanted good relationships with these counties, he was just going to take America first. I don't find that wrong, these countries are taking themselves first. Why do we have to be the ones sucking it up? Not like we have a money tree or an infinite populous.

No need to suck up. But it would be nice if he didn't ruin our relationship with other countries by throwing out petty insults.

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Hillary, completely different tonality. Very damaging, accusations, sanctions, and her hints of what she would do towards Russia if she were president scared me to the core. All I could do is think of how all the serious wars have started from identical shit.

Fact: Russia invaded Crimea.

Possible responses:

1. Ignore it.
2. Economic sanctions in conjunction with the international community.
3. Military action.

Trump chooses option 1. Hillary chooses option 2.

The entire point of sanctions is to deter smaller aggressive actions by imposing economic consequences. If we ignore Russia's actions, they will continue to push their boundaries unchecked. Russia can't risk outright war against the US in response to the sanctions, and everybody knows that. They especially can't risk outright war against all of NATO. Which is why the US can impose sanctions without risking war.

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Then all I could think of is how we the populous are completely expendable and mean nothing to the idiots controlling the hill.

Thus why I was anybody but Hillary.

Demagogues like Trump thrive on these kinds of vague, paranoid feelings. "Everyone is out to get you, and only I can save you". (edit: mockery removed)
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bom Tishop on March 31, 2017, 08:36:50 PM
I'm not sure if I agree with your assessment of the sanctions. We had a pact to defend Ukraine and Russia invaded. Were we just supposed to let that slide? I think the sanctions were a good compromise between throwing an ally to the wolves and starting ww2.

I was talking about the baby steps before that. Baby steps is what makes me nervous because so many people overlook them. This has always hit me in a logical form, though only amplified through a profession that requires OCD to the maximum on the "small trivial issues" because they can blossom into one colossal FUBAR.

I recognize I may be a bit TOO OCD at times, but I think better safe than sorry in my eyes. The one time you drop trow without checking around the tree, is the time your ass gets scratched by an angry cat.

Demagogues like Trump thrive on these kinds of vague, paranoid feelings. "Everyone is out to get you, and only I can save you". Are you really going to fall for that?

Remove this and I will continue discussion​.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on March 31, 2017, 08:43:46 PM
Then all I could think of is how we the populous are completely expendable and mean nothing to the idiots controlling the hill.

Thus why I was anybody but Hillary.
Demagogues like Trump thrive on these kinds of vague, paranoid feelings. "Everyone is out to get you, and only I can save you". Are you really going to fall for that?

Remove this and I will continue discussion​.

Why?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bom Tishop on March 31, 2017, 08:52:31 PM
Why?

It's unnecessary and takes away from the conversation. I don't want another 9/11 thread nonsense. Though it doesn't bug me as much sense these subjects don't mess with my profession. Just opinions, world view and life experience. But still, trying to keep the low brow at a minimum.

Also, your comment​ is right, we can bully Russia and other countries if we want without repercussion. Never disagreed with that, I just don't like it.

One I don't like bullies..

Two, it will backfire one day, and I don't think there will be a "little backfire"..When it does, whenever it may be, it will be of epic proportions.

Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on March 31, 2017, 09:31:40 PM
Western 'democracies' put absolute power in the hands of half a thousand people.
Other governments are controlled by the most recent coup.

Just an observation.

Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on March 31, 2017, 09:36:00 PM
Why?

It's unnecessary and takes away from the conversation. I don't want another 9/11 thread nonsense. Though it doesn't bug me as much sense these subjects don't mess with my profession. Just opinions, world view and life experience. But still, trying to keep the low brow at a minimum.

I'll remove the last sentence. Perhaps it was a bit too inciteful. Apologies. However, I stand by the first part of my statement. Demagogues absolutely do thrive on the kind of vague/paranoid feelings that you expressed. Awareness of their tactics is vital.

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Also, your comment​ is right, we can bully Russia and other countries if we want without repercussion. Never disagreed with that, I just don't like it.

One I don't like bullies..

Two, it will backfire one day, and I don't think there will be a "little backfire"..When it does, whenever it may be, it will be of epic proportions.

1. How would you characterize Russia's actions against Crimea/Ukraine? Does invading and annexing a chunk of your neighbor not count as "bullying" or worse?
2. If not economic sanctions, how would you have us respond to Russia's invasion of an ally? Ignore it? Sternly tell them not to do it again?

Western 'democracies' put absolute power in the hands of half a thousand people.
Other governments are controlled by the most recent coup.

Just an observation.

Absolute power spread out between 500 people doesn't sound very absolute to me.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on March 31, 2017, 09:55:11 PM

Western 'democracies' put absolute power in the hands of half a thousand people.
Other governments are controlled by the most recent coup.

Just an observation.

Absolute power spread out between 500 people doesn't sound very absolute to me.

I know. But, things seem to average out over time.

Could be worse . . .

Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on March 31, 2017, 09:57:22 PM

Western 'democracies' put absolute power in the hands of half a thousand people.
Other governments are controlled by the most recent coup.

Just an observation.

Absolute power spread out between 500 people doesn't sound very absolute to me.

I know. But, things seem to average out over time.

I honestly have no idea what you mean.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on March 31, 2017, 10:05:48 PM

Western 'democracies' put absolute power in the hands of half a thousand people.
Other governments are controlled by the most recent coup.

Just an observation.

Absolute power spread out between 500 people doesn't sound very absolute to me.

I know. But, things seem to average out over time.

I honestly have no idea what you mean.


I mean, things lean right then things lean left, but, they average out over time.

If you never watch the daily news, you would barely notice any change.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on April 01, 2017, 07:00:38 PM
Trump inherited a mess imo, we can't just ignore Isis, he needs to see out what he started with.

We've been there for 16 years now, 16 years of an unjust and illegal war on an ideology instead of a enemy, I'll give the guy more than three months to make a proper exit strategy.

Nobody in the Trump administration wants an exit strategy and the IS is no substantial threat to America. Do you know that the vast majority of terror attacks in America is done by white Christian Supremacists?

Bullshit, fake news.

>falling for that meme.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on April 01, 2017, 07:09:39 PM
Demagogues like Trump thrive on these kinds of vague, paranoid feelings. "Everyone is out to get you, and only I can save you". (edit: mockery removed)

(https://s29.postimg.org/qkdhqm9t3/News-_God-is-in-tv.png)

(https://s10.postimg.org/pbmzj06h5/tenor.gif)
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on April 01, 2017, 11:07:45 PM
Use your words, disputeone. Remember, you commented that Hillary was worse than satan, and made several specific accusations about her:

That "she was involved every step of the way" with 9/11 and the Iraq war.
That "we would be quickly heading towards a war with Russia for hacking americas paper ballots", if she were elected.

I asked if you had any evidence to support these accusations. So far, you haven't provided any. Were you just making them up?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on April 02, 2017, 09:57:46 AM
Trump inherited a mess imo, we can't just ignore Isis, he needs to see out what he started with.

We've been there for 16 years now, 16 years of an unjust and illegal war on an ideology instead of a enemy, I'll give the guy more than three months to make a proper exit strategy.

Nobody in the Trump administration wants an exit strategy and the IS is no substantial threat to America. Do you know that the vast majority of terror attacks in America is done by white Christian Supremacists?

Bullshit, fake news.

>falling for that meme.

That's not actually fake news though. Most mass killings in the US are committed by white men. I don't know how many of them are white supremacists, but enough of them have been. It's just that the media doesn't refer to them as "terrorists" no matter how much terror they inflict. They still don't call Dylann Roof a terrorist!
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on April 02, 2017, 10:08:40 AM
Trump inherited a mess imo, we can't just ignore Isis, he needs to see out what he started with.

We've been there for 16 years now, 16 years of an unjust and illegal war on an ideology instead of a enemy, I'll give the guy more than three months to make a proper exit strategy.

Nobody in the Trump administration wants an exit strategy and the IS is no substantial threat to America. Do you know that the vast majority of terror attacks in America is done by white Christian Supremacists?

Bullshit, fake news.

>falling for that meme.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/25/us/tally-of-attacks-in-us-challenges-perceptions-of-top-terror-threat.html

I'll see what I can do about finding a better source on that.  In 2001 the vast majority was from Islamic extremists.  Figuring in the entire history of the US though we have the KKK which, while not active now, absolutely dwarfs radical Islam in terror attacks in the US.  There's abortion clinic bombers, eco terrorists, white supremacists.  We've got some interesting types in the US.

The thing about ISIS that you have to keep in mind is that these are a bunch of assholes that knocked over a bank and are burning through the cash like a madman.  We, on the other hand, have an unlimited amount of cash to throw at them.  They've been steadily losing ground and shrinking for a long time.  Trump doesn't really need a plan to deal with them.  He just needs to stay the course of the previous president. 
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: FalseProphet on April 02, 2017, 10:33:54 AM
Trump inherited a mess imo, we can't just ignore Isis, he needs to see out what he started with.

We've been there for 16 years now, 16 years of an unjust and illegal war on an ideology instead of a enemy, I'll give the guy more than three months to make a proper exit strategy.

Nobody in the Trump administration wants an exit strategy and the IS is no substantial threat to America. Do you know that the vast majority of terror attacks in America is done by white Christian Supremacists?

Bullshit, fake news.

>falling for that meme.

I already understand that you do not care what is true or not, but it is from the official report of the US anti terror agency covering the last 10 years or so. But I am not going to search it for you, if you would be interested you could easily google it yourself.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on April 02, 2017, 06:21:03 PM
"According to a 2014 study by the Pew Research Center, 70.6% of the American population identified themselves as Christians."

"Non-Hispanic whites make up 63 percent of the U.S.; Hispanics, 17 percent; blacks, 12.3 percent; Asians, 5 percent; and multiracial Americans, 2.4 percent. About 353 of the nation's 3,143 counties, or 11 percent, are now "majority-minority."

If we have 1000 people and ten of them are red, are they more red in general than having 100 people which five of them are red?

We can work out group A is 1% red and group B is 5% red.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on April 02, 2017, 08:47:13 PM
"According to a 2014 study by the Pew Research Center, 70.6% of the American population identified themselves as Christians."

"Non-Hispanic whites make up 63 percent of the U.S.; Hispanics, 17 percent; blacks, 12.3 percent; Asians, 5 percent; and multiracial Americans, 2.4 percent. About 353 of the nation's 3,143 counties, or 11 percent, are now "majority-minority."

If we have 1000 people and ten of them are red, are they more red in general than having 100 people which five of them are red?

We can work out group A is 1% red and group B is 5% red.

Great. But was he talking percentage-wise in the original comment that you called "bullshit, fake news"?

Also, I noticed that you still haven't provided any evidence to support your accusations against Hillary. Do you retract your accusations?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: FalseProphet on April 02, 2017, 08:48:43 PM
Look, I make a post using many numbers.

Fine. Now everybody thinks you are smart.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on April 02, 2017, 09:30:20 PM
Look, I make a post using many numbers.

Fine. Now everybody thinks you are smart.

I'm not that smart, especially with numbers, it's just common sense.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: FalseProphet on April 02, 2017, 10:01:56 PM
Look, I make a post using many numbers.

Fine. Now everybody thinks you are smart.

I'm not that smart, especially with numbers, it's just common sense.

Don't belittle yourself!

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About 353 of the nation's 3,143 counties, or 11 percent...

That's great.

Although it is probably fake news. Nothing is certain on a flat planet.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on April 02, 2017, 10:07:30 PM
Look, I make a post using many numbers.

Fine. Now everybody thinks you are smart.

I'm not that smart, especially with numbers, it's just common sense.

Don't belittle yourself!

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About 353 of the nation's 3,143 counties, or 11 percent...

That's great.

Although it is probably fake news. Nothing is certain on a flat planet.

Are you trying to be condescending?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on April 03, 2017, 12:50:54 AM
LA Times just wrote an excellent, and brutal, article about Trump. (http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-ed-our-dishonest-president/)

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What is most worrisome about Trump is Trump himself. He is a man so unpredictable, so reckless, so petulant, so full of blind self-regard, so untethered to reality that it is impossible to know where his presidency will lead or how much damage he will do to our nation. His obsession with his own fame, wealth and success, his determination to vanquish enemies real and imagined, his craving for adulation — these traits were, of course, at the very heart of his scorched-earth outsider campaign; indeed, some of them helped get him elected. But in a real presidency in which he wields unimaginable power, they are nothing short of disastrous.
...

In the days ahead, The Times editorial board will look more closely at the new president, with a special attention to three troubling traits:

1) Trump’s shocking lack of respect...
2) His utter lack of regard for truth...
3) His scary willingness to repeat alt-right conspiracy theories...

If only the media had been more willing to point out these traits before the election.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Twerp on April 03, 2017, 12:58:00 AM
If only the media had been more willing to point out these traits before the election.

They were more than willing the way I remember it.

For better or for worse the American people voted for Trump in spite of the media coverage of the aforementioned traits, mostly because they were fed up with the status quo.

IMHO
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on April 03, 2017, 01:26:30 AM
If only the media had been more willing to point out these traits before the election.

They were more than willing the way I remember it.

For better or for worse the American people voted for Trump in spite of the media coverage of the aforementioned traits, mostly because they were fed up with the status quo.

IMHO

I'm sure you can find some counter examples, but in general, they seemed reluctant to specifically call him out on his lies. They would report what he said with raised eyebrows, dubious expressions, and much tut-tut'ing, but in the end, most outlets didn't take off the kiddy gloves until after the inauguration. That's just my general impression of the major outlets though.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: wise on April 03, 2017, 01:52:30 AM
We support Trump because he is less son of whore than Hillary.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: FalseProphet on April 03, 2017, 03:22:31 AM
When you chat with Trump supporters it always comes to Hillary. She is apparently the main reason why people voted for Trump, and trump is the main reason why people voted for Hillary. How is it even possible in a democracy, that the election becomes a choice between the 2 most unpopular persons in the country?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on April 03, 2017, 04:40:33 AM
When you chat with Trump supporters it always comes to Hillary. She is apparently the main reason why people voted for Trump, and trump is the main reason why people voted for Hillary. How is it even possible in a democracy, that the election becomes a choice between the 2 most unpopular persons in the country?

Because when each voter can only vote for a single candidate, the system inevitably shifts towards two major parties. And when there are only two choices, it is much easier to convince voters that your opponent is bad than to convince them that you are good.

The Problems with First Past the Post Voting Explained (http://)
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Pezevenk on April 03, 2017, 09:11:01 AM
We support Trump because he is less son of whore than Hillary.

Does that mean that his mother was less of a whore than Hillary's mother, a lesser whore than Hillary's mother, or that he is less of a man than Hillary?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on April 03, 2017, 09:40:58 AM
If only the media had been more willing to point out these traits before the election.

They were more than willing the way I remember it.

For better or for worse the American people voted for Trump in spite of the media coverage of the aforementioned traits, mostly because they were fed up with the status quo.

IMHO

I'm sure you can find some counter examples, but in general, they seemed reluctant to specifically call him out on his lies. They would report what he said with raised eyebrows, dubious expressions, and much tut-tut'ing, but in the end, most outlets didn't take off the kiddy gloves until after the inauguration. That's just my general impression of the major outlets though.

The news outlets were and still are in a tough situation with Trump.  Ideally the reporters roll would look like something like the prosecuting attorney in a trial.  I don't know if you've ever had to do jury duty but there's a specific way a case is handled.  There's the opening arguments where each side tells a story about what they think happened and closing arguments at the end where they pretty much just recap everything.  Everything in the middle is each side bringing up evidence.  It's very cold, very logical.  The evidence is a series of dots.  The opening and closing arguments are attempts to connect the dots to create a story.  It's understandable that news outlets would be loathe to put "bullshit" in parenthesis next to every one of Donald Trump's statements, it's not their place to do that.  Ideally the general public is smart enough to figure that out.

Politicians usually provide "creative" interpretations on actual facts.  They rarely completely make shit up.  Calling somebody a liar is a pretty strong accusation.  And there's a limit on how many times someone can throw a strong accusation against someone else before they look like a crazy person.  Trump has an interesting defense against criticism here.  He's acting so dishonestly, so unethically while at the same time being so incompetent about it that we almost have to be careful about what sort of nonsense we call him on because if we called out all of his nonsense we'd look like conspiracy theorists. 
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Canadabear on April 03, 2017, 09:49:04 AM
We support Trump because he is less son of whore than Hillary.

Does that mean that his mother was less of a whore than Hillary's mother, a lesser whore than Hillary's mother, or that he is less of a man than Hillary?

i say that Hillary would have been a better President that Trump is.

He screws the american taxpayer way more over than every other president did.
alone that his wife lives still in New York cost the taxpayer over 100000$ a day
than his golf trips (14 so far) cost each 3 million $
even the businesses in Palm Beach are complaining about that he is there every weekend because of the restrictions that are caused by him. They loos a lot of money because of him.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Pezevenk on April 03, 2017, 09:53:50 AM
We support Trump because he is less son of whore than Hillary.

Does that mean that his mother was less of a whore than Hillary's mother, a lesser whore than Hillary's mother, or that he is less of a man than Hillary?

i say that Hillary would have been a better President that Trump is.

He screws the american taxpayer way more over than every other president did.
alone that his wife lives still in New York cost the taxpayer over 100000$ a day
than his golf trips (14 so far) cost each 3 million $
even the businesses in Palm Beach are complaining about that he is there every weekend because of the restrictions that are caused by him. They loos a lot of money because of him.

That doesn't answer the question  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: FalseProphet on April 03, 2017, 10:04:09 AM
It seems to me that the US media are too much obsessed with what he says and tweets and with the Russia ties and report too little about the actual devastating politics of the Trump administration.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on April 03, 2017, 10:14:20 AM


The US media is like the dog. The squirrels are things that will make us watch, or click a link. All major media outlets are concerned with profits over information. Which leaves us with lesser known media, which may or may not be trustworthy.

I have been enjoying how Politifact has treated the news. They fact check, they explain how and why a statement is true or false with citations. You can read what they used to come to their conclusions.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on April 03, 2017, 11:14:03 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/senate-panel-prepares-to-consider-gorsuch-as-threat-of-filibuster-looms/2017/04/03/129bcd8c-186a-11e7-bcc2-7d1a0973e7b2_story.html?utm_term=.6be30313c67b

Today's episode of the Trump Show is a little dry but still very important.  Stay tuned and see what happens!
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on April 03, 2017, 07:42:42 PM
Drip drip drip.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/blackwater-founder-held-secret-seychelles-meeting-to-establish-trump-putin-back-channel/2017/04/03/95908a08-1648-11e7-ada0-1489b735b3a3_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-banner-main_no-name%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.97ae85a59698
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on April 03, 2017, 07:52:38 PM
Who are the good guys tho?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on April 03, 2017, 08:14:02 PM
Who are the good guys tho?

Kind of depends on what, if anything, is going on here. 

Best case scenario is that this sort of gray diplomacy is normal stuff.  But now we have intel leaks throwing it in our faces so it seems more serious than it really is.  Kind of like when citizens post videos of cops taking one last kick to an assailant after they've subdued him.

Here the "deep state" are the villains as they're perpetrating a misinformation campaign to damage Trump's presidency.

Worst case, if I'm I've got this information straight;

Russia invades Ukraine(who we have a defensive pact with, even gave up their nukes for it which perhaps wasn't wise).

We retaliate with crippling sanctions which, because of how Russia's economy is structured, affects their oil production more than anything.

Russia decides to fuck with us via professional trolls.  They're already on our shitlist and trolls are way cheaper than conventional war so it's really a no brainer for the Russians.

An opportunity presented itself in the 2016 election and they tried some backroom negotiations to get rid of those crippling sanctions.

Trump either refused or they came up with some kind of deal.  If he refused he would still like to keep this all under wraps, at  the very least it makes his presidency look illegitmate.  If they worked out a deal, well it would explain why he has such a bizarre cabinet.

Here Russia and Trump are the bad guys.  If Trump lifts the sanctions then Russia gets away with invading one of our allies.  And invasions to a dictator are like Pringles.  Once you pop...
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on April 03, 2017, 08:25:22 PM
That's on the global stage, for sure.

I just don't trust the 6pm news anymore, I haven't for a long time, I understand I would be much happier if I did.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on April 03, 2017, 09:42:49 PM
They lost me with the war on "terror."



www.amazon.com/When-News-Lies-Danny-Schechter/dp/1590790731



We've been fed fake news for sixteen years, in sixteen years Trump is the first president to take on the media machine and its willing servants.

I don't like how he signed the ISP bill. I admit it, weak move, I hoped he would show more backbone. We can still use proxies.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on April 04, 2017, 12:03:16 AM
They lost me with the war on "terror."
...
We've been fed fake news for sixteen years, in sixteen years Trump is the first president to take on the media machine and its willing servants.

It's good that you don't blindly trust the media.

I have a question for you though: do you think Trump is honest and trustworthy? Does he ever publicly lie?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on April 04, 2017, 12:29:43 AM
They lost me with the war on "terror."
...
We've been fed fake news for sixteen years, in sixteen years Trump is the first president to take on the media machine and its willing servants.

It's good that you don't blindly trust the media.

I have a question for you though: do you think Trump is honest and trustworthy? Does he ever publicly lie?

I think he's the most honest politician we've had for a long time.

Of couse he has publicly lied.

In turn, I also have a question, can you cite a president who hasn't lied?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on April 04, 2017, 01:16:58 AM
They lost me with the war on "terror."
...
We've been fed fake news for sixteen years, in sixteen years Trump is the first president to take on the media machine and its willing servants.

It's good that you don't blindly trust the media.

I have a question for you though: do you think Trump is honest and trustworthy? Does he ever publicly lie?

I think he's the most honest politician we've had for a long time.

Of couse he has publicly lied.

Excellent. Two follow up questions.

1. Why do you think he is the most honest we've had in a long time?
2. Can you name a few of those lies?

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In turn, I also have a question, can you cite a president who hasn't lied?

No.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on April 04, 2017, 05:10:36 AM
1. Cause my opinion.

2. Sale of browsing data to private companies.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on April 04, 2017, 09:16:30 AM
They lost me with the war on "terror."

We've been fed fake news for sixteen years, in sixteen years Trump is the first president to take on the media machine and its willing servants.

I don't like how he signed the ISP bill. I admit it, weak move, I hoped he would show more backbone. We can still use proxies.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/03/technology/trump-repeal-online-privacy-protections.html

Yep there it is.  Didn't know that he actually signed it.  Weird, I can't find a statement by Trump.  He could at least mumble something about privacy rights being job killing regulations or something.  I wonder if he even understood what he was signing.

They lost a lot of us with the war on terror.  This might surprise you but even though I disagree with 911 being a false flag I 100% agree that our reaction to it was nothing short of criminal.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: FalseProphet on April 04, 2017, 09:33:33 AM
  I wonder if he even understood what he was signing.

I do not think that he can read complex texts. I am not a doctor, but he shows early signs of dementia.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Canadabear on April 04, 2017, 10:25:56 AM
  I wonder if he even understood what he was signing.

I do not think that he can read complex texts. I am not a doctor, but he shows early signs of dementia.

also if you look at the resend incident where he walks out of the signing ceremony. he looked really strange as he walked away.
 
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on April 04, 2017, 12:04:23 PM
1. Cause my opinion.

That doesn't give me much to work with...

Well, let me tell you my opinion. During the election season, and especially since his inauguration, I have been careful to double-check much of what Trump says. I also double-check what the media says about Trump. Here is what I have noticed: Trump is one of the worst, if not the worst liar I have ever seen, among public figures.

If you want, I can provide many examples. If you are already dead set on your "opinion", and aren't open to counter evidence, then I won't bother. Let me know.

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2. Sale of browsing data to private companies.

That's not a lie. It was an unpopular move, but as far as I know, he never promised not to sign the bill.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on April 04, 2017, 03:39:53 PM


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“It’s not that Donald Trump is all that perfect of a guy,” Colbert said. “We all know he’s not. And we know that he’s not necessarily perfect in every way that we would like. That’s not how God works. He works through the ones he chooses. We don’t choose them.”

“All we have to do is recognize them and when you recognize a chosen one and you have the discernment to know that they’ve been chosen and know that that’s the will of God, then your life will be blessed. And if you come against the chosen one of God, you are bringing upon you and your children and your children’s children curses like you have never seen. It puts a holy fear in me.

How do they know Trump is the "chosen one"? What is it about him that makes them think he was chosen by God? I just don't get it, and I would like anyone, even if you don't think he is the chosen one, to give your thoughts on why they think this.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on April 04, 2017, 05:32:43 PM
If you can't respect my opinion then that's fine Totes, I'm used to it by now.

I respect your opinion, I am glad that we had a different leader of the US, some people like chocolate ice cream, some people like strawberry, we don't need to debate (or expect to win a debate) on which icecream flavour is the best.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on April 04, 2017, 05:39:25 PM
Oh @ SCG mainly numerological connections.

"On The Day of the Presidential Inauguration. Donald Trump will be 70 years, 7 months and 7 days old! 777. Perfect numbers :-) He also won the elecotral [electoral] vote 304-227 (Trump to Hillary) with a difference of 77 votes.

Number 7 resonates with the the ‘Collective Consciousness’, spiritual awakening and awareness, spiritual enlightenment, spiritual acceptance and development, mysticism, intuition and inner-knowing, inner-wisdom"

Personally I don't think there's much to it.

(https://s4.postimg.org/nnn9gwe19/y_Gja_Pr_L.png)

Although this was pretty creepy.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on April 04, 2017, 06:44:21 PM
If you can't respect my opinion then that's fine Totes, I'm used to it by now.

I respect your opinion, I am glad that we had a different leader of the US, some people like chocolate ice cream, some people like strawberry, we don't need to debate (or expect to win a debate) on which icecream flavour is the best.

Don't give me that bullshit. This isn't an arbitrary choice between two ice cream flavors. Trump is one of the most powerful people on the planet right now, and he has the potential to do a great deal of very real harm to my country and the world in general. The fact that he is basing his actions, policy, and accusations on lies is a very real problem.

The collective "opinion" among Trump supporters that he is honest is what gave him that power, and is what keeps him in power. You have ignored my own offers to provide evidence against Trump, and failed to provide evidence to support your own accusations against Hillary. So no, I can't respect an "opinion" that is harmful, and is based on willful ignorance of evidence to the contrary.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on April 04, 2017, 06:53:30 PM
I know.

Strawberry ice cream burns chocolate imo.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on April 04, 2017, 07:20:47 PM
I know.

Strawberry ice cream burns chocolate imo.

Let me put it this way: this "strawberry ice cream" tastes and smells suspiciously like dog poop. I like eating strawberry ice cream. I don't like eating dog poop. Your "opinion" that it is actually strawberry ice cream isn't very reassuring or convincing.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on April 04, 2017, 07:24:49 PM
Some people don't like strawberry icecream, paid.

Next time you want my opinion just assume it is exactly the same as yours and we will get on famously.

I may not agree with what you say but I would defend to the death your right to say it.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on April 04, 2017, 07:28:18 PM
A better metaphor would be a giant douche and a turd sandwich anyway.



Giant douche 2020.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: FalseProphet on April 04, 2017, 07:35:04 PM
Some people don't like strawberry icecream, paid.

Next time you want my opinion just assume it is exactly the same as yours and we will get on famously.

I may not agree with what you say but I would defend to the death your right to say it.

Come on, you cannot claim dog poop is strawberry ice and say respect my opinion. You are from Australia or something, you do not have to eat American dog poop, but Totes gets it served every day.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on April 04, 2017, 07:39:54 PM
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Following the multiple terrorist attacks in New York and Washington DC on 11 September 2001, US President George W. Bush declared a "war on terror". Australia invoked the ANZUS treaty to support the US effort and Australian military personnel joined the forces of "the coalition of the willing"

https://www.awm.gov.au/atwar/afghanistan/

Sorry, what?

http://www.abc.net.au/interactives/ptsd/

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Before "the incident" David had two major goals: to rise up in the ranks of the Air Force, and to retire at 55. He worked his way up to sergeant; that's one milestone. But he won't reach the second. He'll be medically discharged in October at the age of 50. He'll never serve again and he is unlikely to ever work again.

"I was ten-foot tall, bulletproof, nothing could get in the way of what I wanted to achieve." David speaks softly and looks you straight in the eye. He's a good talker. We are sitting in a common room in a hospital in Melbourne, which has been his home for three weeks. David is wearing grey tracksuit pants and a black Def Leppard T-shirt. He's sporting thongs and a moustache.





I memba.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on April 04, 2017, 07:53:03 PM
Is freedom really worth people having different opinions?

It depends who you ask.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on April 04, 2017, 08:29:42 PM
I may not agree with what you say but I would defend to the death your right to say it.
Is freedom really worth people having different opinions?

It depends who you ask.

No one is trying to take away your freedom to have an idiotic opinion. That is your right. But don't be surprised if people call you an idiot for having an idiotic opinion.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: FalseProphet on April 04, 2017, 08:32:41 PM
I wrote almost the same, but Totes was faster.

Not all opinions are equally valid. An informed opinion is more worth than an uninformed one. Opinions can be provably wrong ("not all quarks are fermions" for example). You have the freedom to be ridiculous and others have the freedom to laugh about you.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on April 04, 2017, 08:50:24 PM
"I respect peoples differences, thats why I hate Trump.

But boy do I hate Trump supporters, they are different."

Kek.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on April 04, 2017, 08:56:54 PM
I may not agree with what you say but I would defend to the death your right to say it.
Is freedom really worth people having different opinions?

It depends who you ask.

No one is trying to take away your freedom to have an idiotic opinion. That is your right. But don't be surprised if people call you an idiot for having an idiotic opinion.

Freedom isn't worth people disagreeing with you, is it?

It will always be worth it to me.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: FalseProphet on April 04, 2017, 09:07:11 PM
"I respect peoples differences, thats why I hate Trump.

But boy do I hate Trump supporters, they are different."

Kek.

I do not know if anybody hates you. But if so then not because you are "different".

You do not believe what you say. God knows why you say stuff. I guess it has something to do with your libido.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on April 04, 2017, 09:10:35 PM
That's really funny.

You guys hate being called out on hypocrisy hey?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on April 04, 2017, 09:14:13 PM
Wait, I get it.

You live in a country totally dependent on international aid, don't you?

I know it is rough, but in my opinion, it is not Americas job to make sure everyone else has a functioning society, it's just not.

But that is just my stupid opinion ;)
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on April 04, 2017, 09:18:07 PM
I may not agree with what you say but I would defend to the death your right to say it.
Is freedom really worth people having different opinions?

It depends who you ask.

No one is trying to take away your freedom to have an idiotic opinion. That is your right. But don't be surprised if people call you an idiot for having an idiotic opinion.

Freedom isn't worth people disagreeing with you, is it?

It will always be worth it to me.

Learn to read, dude.

That's really funny.

You guys hate being called out on hypocrisy hey?
Wait, I get it.

You live in a country totally dependent on international aid, don't you?

Well, this has officially devolved into mindless deflection. I guess we know disputeone's answer to this thread. Time to move on.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: FalseProphet on April 04, 2017, 09:23:36 PM
Hmm...maybe there are people who hate you because you are different. Life can be cruel.

How different are you? Do you wear your balls on your chin?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on April 04, 2017, 09:27:56 PM
My answer was people have different opinions.

Sorry about that.

Let's work towards a society where everyone has the same opinion.

Goddamnit we are nearly there already.

(https://s2.postimg.org/656bextrt/sheep.jpg)
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on April 04, 2017, 09:31:58 PM
I may not agree with what you say but I would defend to the death your right to say it.
Is freedom really worth people having different opinions?

It depends who you ask.

idiotic idiot idiotic.

Don't ever change Totes.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on April 06, 2017, 12:41:07 PM
Okay.  So... we may or may not be going to war very soon.  And that may or may not include attacking Russian forces.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/06/politics/donald-trump-syria-options/

Good luck everyone.

Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on April 06, 2017, 03:59:27 PM
Maybe Trump's fans will talk him out of it https://twitter.com/hashtag/SyriaHoax?src=tren&data_id=tweet%3A850111185097814016
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on April 06, 2017, 04:19:53 PM
Maybe Trump's fans will talk him out of it https://twitter.com/hashtag/SyriaHoax?src=tren&data_id=tweet%3A850111185097814016

No one wants another war.

(https://s11.postimg.org/xt6m75j4z/1491372527286.jpg)
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Shifter on April 06, 2017, 04:31:20 PM
Trump appears to be someone who will not capitulate to other powers. I am thinking China could be doing a lot more to deal with North Korea on a political level now if Trump is smart enough

For example, Trump gets in and talks tough on the South China Sea islands, he says he believes Taiwan is independent from China and wants to be much tougher on trade in favour of America much more than China.

Now.... He has created many bargaining chips to use. If he were to go back on all or some of these things in return for China sorting out the mess in North Korea (which they can easily do), then everything has been gained and nothing actually 'lost'. Everything just goes back to the 'status quo' as it was anyway and hopefully North Korea regime is finished. (we can only hope).

With any other politician, we would just continue to hear them 'talking tough' but having no substance and no fear of any real follow up or action. That is why North Korea has continued to build, develop, test and threaten annihilation to the rest of the world without any worry of blowback. Trump may be a necessary evil we need that ends this festering and growing problem.

North Korea is a big fan of their 'Juche' philosophy (self reliance). China could put that to the test by stopping the supply of oil, electricity and trade. Of course the self reliance is a load of crap because they are heavily dependant on China to maintain their existence. A stroke of a pen in China could collapse the North Korean regime. Trump just have to give China a good reason to do so
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on April 06, 2017, 05:04:27 PM
Maybe Trump's fans will talk him out of it https://twitter.com/hashtag/SyriaHoax?src=tren&data_id=tweet%3A850111185097814016

No one wants another war.

(https://s11.postimg.org/xt6m75j4z/1491372527286.jpg)

True. But no one wants to see children killed with nerve gas. So we're kind of in between a rock and a hard place.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on April 06, 2017, 05:05:19 PM
Maybe Trump's fans will talk him out of it https://twitter.com/hashtag/SyriaHoax?src=tren&data_id=tweet%3A850111185097814016

No one wants another war.

(https://s11.postimg.org/xt6m75j4z/1491372527286.jpg)

True. But no one wants to see children killed with nerve gas. So we're kind of in between a rock and a hard place.

Exactly.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/where-is-outcry-over-children-killed-by-u-s-led-forces/

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Since 9/11, U.S.-led forces have killed—directly, not indirectly--more than a thousand children in Syria and other war zones around the world. To my mind, each one of these victims should provoke universal horror, pity and condemnation.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on April 06, 2017, 05:38:02 PM
If this starts Iraq 2.0, killing people to stop them killing people.

We will not forgive and we will not forget. A lot of us supported Trump because we hoped he would put his own country first and stop bombing everyone to try to stop them bombing each other.

We cannot fight violence with violence.
Bullets and Bombs won't stop ideas.

There is no bond that can unite the divided but love: all else is a curse. Accursed! Accursed be it to the aeons! Hell.

Just my 2c.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on April 06, 2017, 05:58:36 PM
If this starts Iraq 2.0, killing people to stop them killing people.

We will not forgive and we will not forget. A lot of us supported Trump because we hoped he would put his own country first and stop bombing everyone to try to stop them bombing each other.

We cannot fight violence with violence.
Bullets and Bombs won't stop ideas.

There is no bond that can unite the divided but love: all else is a curse. Accursed! Accursed be it to the aeons! Hell.

Just my 2c.

I don't know what the right thing to do here is.  I certainly don't envy Trump right now.  Though there is some poetic justice in this.  This exact situation is what he gave Obama a lot of grief for over the last four years.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Shifter on April 06, 2017, 06:09:51 PM
The whole world is focused on one narrow slice of the earth in the Middle East as if that is the only place atrocities are happening. I don't try to play down the barbarism of what has just occurred using chemical weapons (the instant level of outrage suggests that a bomb that would have blown everyone to bits would be more preferable?).

I am left wondering why if we are so grieved about Syria, why no one thinks about or sheds a tear about all the barbarism and killings across Africa? A SJW might use the race card but even the SJW and Leftist media don't mention any of the atrocities committed by Al Shabaab or corrupt lawless governments in that region. We also have North Korea which has reportedly hundreds of thousands of people (due to guilt by association) in the gulag and the human rights abuses and torture including the use of chemical weapons make Bashar Al-Assad look like a saint. China doesn't have its nose clean either. Practice 'Falun Gong' and you can have your organs harvested! Many freedoms enjoyed by us are trampled on in China.

Killing scores of people to stop people killing each other..... It's just stupid crazy logic. I hate to say it, but given we seem happy to pick which conflicts we care about and forget others, maybe its time to walk away from all conflict that's not in our region. Let the Middle East sort out its own problems. We seem happy to currently do it for many parts of Africa and North Korea. Ultimately the Middle East problems have been going on for thousands of years and the root problem is embedded in religion. I don't see how stepping in and contributing to the killing for any side is going to change a damn thing.

When Trump came in, it seemed as if the notion that America was the police of the world would stop. It is utterly ridiculous that one nation should or could have that much power that it can justify itself in the internal affairs of sovereign nations. I think there would be far less problems if America just stayed out of conflicts. There would still be problems. Still be innocent people killed by governments for no reason, but can anyone look anyone straight in the eye and say the world is a better place for America going into Iraq in the first place? Should have just stayed out of it.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on April 06, 2017, 06:31:46 PM
If this starts Iraq 2.0, killing people to stop them killing people.

We will not forgive and we will not forget. A lot of us supported Trump because we hoped he would put his own country first and stop bombing everyone to try to stop them bombing each other.

We cannot fight violence with violence.
Bullets and Bombs won't stop ideas.

There is no bond that can unite the divided but love: all else is a curse. Accursed! Accursed be it to the aeons! Hell.

Just my 2c.

I don't know what the right thing to do here is.  I certainly don't envy Trump right now.  Though there is some poetic justice in this.  This exact situation is what he gave Obama a lot of grief for over the last four years.

I wouldn't call it poetic but fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on April 06, 2017, 06:32:12 PM
It ends in fire then. So be it.

US strikes Syrian military airfield in first direct assault on Bashar al-Assad's government
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-weighing-military-options-following-chemical-weapons-attack-in-syria/2017/04/06/0c59603a-1ae8-11e7-9887-1a5314b56a08_story.html
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on April 06, 2017, 06:52:23 PM
Goddamnit.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: hoppy on April 06, 2017, 07:01:26 PM
Maybe Trump's fans will talk him out of it https://twitter.com/hashtag/SyriaHoax?src=tren&data_id=tweet%3A850111185097814016

No one wants another war.

(https://s11.postimg.org/xt6m75j4z/1491372527286.jpg)
Incorrect, many government contractors and suppliers enjoy it very much.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on April 06, 2017, 07:05:06 PM
Hoppy knows.

Wtf happened guys?

Who is really gaining from these wars in the middle east? We are still fighting Israels wars. (Inb4 literally Hitler, dont care.)

(https://s9.postimg.org/5p4w3q8wf/1491528518088m.jpg)

It just goes to show we as a people had no power to stop this war, it was always going to happen, Trump or Hillary.

Goddamnit.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on April 06, 2017, 07:11:19 PM
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on April 06, 2017, 09:52:54 PM
Now can we all finally agree that Trump is full of crap? (18 Trump tweets about Syria (http://time.com/4730219/syria-missile-attack-donald-trump-tweets/))

Edit:
I'm not optimistic, but this might turn out ok. No one was killed and a strong message was sent. Having an unpredictable president with a willingness to use force can be a strong deterrent. I just have zero faith that Trump will handle future repercussions in an intelligent fashion. He is so petty, vindictive, and reactionary that he might get baited into doing something stupid that gets a lot of people killed.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Twerp on April 06, 2017, 10:04:17 PM
Politicians always criticize their political opponent's decisions in order to make them look bad and win votes. How is this different?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on April 06, 2017, 10:19:48 PM
Politicians always criticize their political opponent's decisions in order to make them look bad and win votes. How is this different?

Sheer scale?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on April 06, 2017, 10:32:24 PM
Now can we all finally agree that Trump is full of crap? (18 Trump tweets about Syria (http://time.com/4730219/syria-missile-attack-donald-trump-tweets/))

Edit:
I'm not optimistic, but this might turn out ok. No one was killed and a strong message was sent. Having an unpredictable president with a willingness to use force can be a strong deterrent. I just have zero faith that Trump will handle future repercussions in an intelligent fashion. He is so petty, vindictive, and reactionary that he might get baited into doing something stupid that gets a lot of people killed.

Hillary suggested bombing much, much more of Syria.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/06/politics/hillary-clinton-syria-assad/

What's your point?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on April 06, 2017, 10:38:56 PM
Also, this.

http://web.archive.org/web/20130130091742/http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2270219/U-S-planned-launch-chemical-weapon-attack-Syria-blame-Assad.html
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Twerp on April 06, 2017, 10:43:05 PM
Politicians always criticize their political opponent's decisions in order to make them look bad and win votes. How is this different?

Sheer scale?

Since the election I haven't really paid much attention, so if by scale you're talking about a bunch of other stuff I can believe it. Looking at the tweets you linked to on their own, it didn't seem that significant.

BTW I hate war. I know it's necessary sometimes but I really hope whoever makes the decisions makes them on the basis of keeping fighting to the minimum necessary.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on April 06, 2017, 10:55:31 PM
Politicians always criticize their political opponent's decisions in order to make them look bad and win votes. How is this different?

Sheer scale?

Since the election I haven't really paid much attention, so if by scale you're talking about a bunch of other stuff I can believe it. Looking at the tweets you linked to on their own, it didn't seem that significant.

Yes, I am referring to a bunch of other stuff as well. Just off the top of my head, in no particular order: healthcare, golfing, murder rate, media not covering terrorist attacks, inauguration numbers, the definitely-not-a-muslim-ban muslim ban, Mexico paying for the wall, voter fraud, tax returns, placing assets into a blind trust... (the list goes on and on and on) (Edit: sources can be provided on request.)

Quote
BTW I hate war. I know it's necessary sometimes but I really hope whoever makes the decisions makes them on the basis of keeping fighting to the minimum necessary.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on April 07, 2017, 02:43:13 AM
I will pay Trumps dishonesty Totes.

I feel betrayed, I admit it.

Here are some more lies.

(https://s4.postimg.org/cvu8sjlwt/1491556319212.jpg)

At least Hillary admitted she wanted to provoke WW3.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on April 07, 2017, 07:53:43 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8x4LeJW0AEo9CM.jpg)

O rly?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on April 07, 2017, 01:41:57 PM
(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/04/08/us/08power/07THEDAILY-syria-master768.jpg)
President Trump after making a statement on the missile strikes in Syria at his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida on Thursday. Credit Doug Mills/The New York Times

Four day weekend?

Oh come on!  You can at least spend one weekend working and pretending to take this seriously.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on April 07, 2017, 03:35:18 PM
He just needs to resign, I don't think he can handle a real job.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on April 07, 2017, 04:00:39 PM
He seemed so bummed out the last few videos I've seen him in.  In one of them he said something to the effect of "Whoa!  The president should really do something about that".  I think this week he just realized "Oh Shit!  I'm the president now!".
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on April 07, 2017, 06:24:32 PM
Or he was threatened and coerced into the strike, I'm not discounting anything yet.

We would be trying to overthrow Assad now if Hillary was in, I don't think things would be better at all.

Imo this just shows the US president is just a face for the public.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Canadabear on April 10, 2017, 04:34:59 AM
(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/04/08/us/08power/07THEDAILY-syria-master768.jpg)
President Trump after making a statement on the missile strikes in Syria at his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida on Thursday. Credit Doug Mills/The New York Times

Four day weekend?

Oh come on!  You can at least spend one weekend working and pretending to take this seriously.

and what do we see down on the floor: teleprompter.

did not Trump stated on time that teleprompter should be not allowed for politicians.  ;D

but on the other hand, it shows that Trump can read, (at least a little bit)  ;D
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Pezevenk on April 12, 2017, 12:24:09 PM
(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/04/08/us/08power/07THEDAILY-syria-master768.jpg)
President Trump after making a statement on the missile strikes in Syria at his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida on Thursday. Credit Doug Mills/The New York Times

Four day weekend?

Oh come on!  You can at least spend one weekend working and pretending to take this seriously.

and what do we see down on the floor: teleprompter.

did not Trump stated on time that teleprompter should be not allowed for politicians.  ;D

but on the other hand, it shows that Trump can read, (at least a little bit)  ;D

But Trump is not a politician, so he can use one  ;)
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on April 13, 2017, 01:06:25 PM
The mother of all bombs!
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on April 20, 2017, 02:05:13 PM
Okay, Trump has finally called in the intellectual heavy artillery.
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2017/04/20/0420-trump-nugent-twitter-2.jpg)


It's time to MAGA!  (I swear I didn't photoshop that image)
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on April 20, 2017, 03:46:58 PM
I wonder if they swap draft dodging stories.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Pezevenk on April 22, 2017, 03:01:21 PM
Okay, Trump has finally called in the intellectual heavy artillery.
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2017/04/20/0420-trump-nugent-twitter-2.jpg)


It's time to MAGA!  (I swear I didn't photoshop that image)

I would say something witty but I'm too busy listening to Eric Clapton. Also I'm not witty.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on April 23, 2017, 10:02:07 AM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/856172056932700164

Quote
Donald J. Trump‏ Verified account @realDonaldTrump 1h1 hour ago
Eventually, but at a later date so we can get started early, Mexico will be paying, in some form, for the badly needed border wall.

As long as it's pretty!
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: FalseProphet on April 23, 2017, 10:30:09 AM
Or he was threatened and coerced into the strike, I'm not discounting anything yet.

We would be trying to overthrow Assad now if Hillary was in, I don't think things would be better at all.

Imo this just shows the US president is just a face for the public.

I am afraid he has learned a crucial lesson: the only thing he can do to get cheered by the media is killing people.

Even his approval rating went up after dropping the mother of all bombs.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Pezevenk on April 23, 2017, 12:31:40 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/856172056932700164

Quote
Donald J. Trump‏ Verified account @realDonaldTrump 1h1 hour ago
Eventually, but at a later date so we can get started early, Mexico will be paying, in some form, for the badly needed border wall.

As long as it's pretty!

Only the US side will be pretty though... Pity.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on April 23, 2017, 09:49:01 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/856172056932700164

Quote
Donald J. Trump‏ Verified account @realDonaldTrump 1h1 hour ago
Eventually, but at a later date so we can get started early, Mexico will be paying, in some form, for the badly needed border wall.

As long as it's pretty!

Hurray. We can finally stop worrying about a Mongol cavalry invasion.

Edit: Yikes, the twitter tantrum today. Someone must've said something mean to him. "Would still beat Hillary in popular vote". Lol.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on April 23, 2017, 10:12:39 PM
I'm beginning to wonder if my entire country is suffering from a carbon monoxide leak.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/showdown-looms-as-trump-demands-funding-for-wall-on-us-mexico-border/2017/04/23/5e0a2840-276a-11e7-b503-9d616bd5a305_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_showdown-0744pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.52710c75c109

I feel like my brain is trying to punch itself to death.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on April 23, 2017, 11:51:31 PM

I feel like my brain is trying to punch itself to death.



Limit your exposure to the 7/24 media.
There is just not that much relevant news.

An hour a week will catch you up on the important stuff.

Feel free to watch all day long. Bounce channels to OD on news.

You could find a hobby. Live life on your own terms.


Or, spend your weekend marching in the alleys, bitching about how your ancestors were disrespected.


Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on April 23, 2017, 11:54:51 PM

I feel like my brain is trying to punch itself to death.



Limit your exposure to the 7/24 media.
There is just not that much relevant news.

An hour a week will catch you up on the important stuff.

Feel free to watch all day long. Bounce channels to OD on news.

You could find a hobby. Live life on your own terms.


Or, spend your weekend marching in the alleys, bitching about how your ancestors were disrespected.

You're right of course.  But I can't help it.  I'm worried that if I miss a season of the Trump Show then I won't know what the hell is going on when I start paying attention again.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on April 24, 2017, 12:07:01 AM

I feel like my brain is trying to punch itself to death.



Limit your exposure to the 7/24 media.
There is just not that much relevant news.

An hour a week will catch you up on the important stuff.

Feel free to watch all day long. Bounce channels to OD on news.

You could find a hobby. Live life on your own terms.


Or, spend your weekend marching in the alleys, bitching about how your ancestors were disrespected.

You're right of course.  But I can't help it.  I'm worried that if I miss a season of the Trump Show then I won't know what the hell is going on when I start paying attention again.


I know. Total shit show. It's freakin' awesome!


Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Shifter on April 25, 2017, 03:10:58 PM
At the end of the day, Someone needs to deal with North Korea. The peaceful way is through China which we may finally be seeing now. China was perfectly happy to see North Korea flail its inflammatory rhetoric when 'traditional' leaders were lip servicing 'you cant say/do that North Korea'.

North Korea doesn't need a nuclear bomb for a deterrent. They can just have China, which isn't going away any time soon. They need China as a friend and they know China is starting to have to pick sides between it (tiny and impoverished North Korea) and the rest of the world.

It is about time we had a leader with the balls to talk tough. And a resolve to fix a problem that has been left to stew for decades. I don't like Trump as a person, but he may be a necessary evil we need to fix the jobs that previous presidents looking for 'popularity' didn't have the guts to do. And if we do end up having war on the Korean peninsula, it is better done now, then in the future where the damage would be far more bloody and costly. Sorry to say but unless China reigns in their North Korean friends, war is inevitable. Peace in the long term can only be done if China plays ball. Despite how many countries North Korea has threatened with nuclear annihilation, it is difficult to fathom that people still stick up for Kim Jong Un and lambast Trump because he said he could 'grab a womans pussy'. But..... Hipster priorities.....
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on April 25, 2017, 03:45:16 PM
Despite how many countries North Korea has threatened with nuclear annihilation, it is difficult to fathom that people still stick up for Kim Jong Un and lambast Trump because he said he could 'grab a womans pussy'. But..... Hipster priorities.....

I don't understand how these two statements are related.  Is the willingness to sexually assault women a prerequisite for dealing with hostile nations?

Additionally I don't know if Trump is doing that great a job at handling them to be honest.  NK continues to test missiles and Trump just sort of lets it go.  In a tough guy staring contest Trump blinked first.  So intimidation doesn't seem to be working for him. 

Diplomacy?  He's talking about dropping all his campaign promises on China in exchange for China reigning them in.  Something which is in China's best interest anyways.  This is not inspiring confidence in me with regards to his deal making ability.

Force?  Normally you wouldn't broadcast your intent when you're committed to a debilitating first strike.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Shifter on April 25, 2017, 04:28:52 PM
I don't understand how these two statements are related.  Is the willingness to sexually assault women a prerequisite for dealing with hostile nations?

No. That was not my point. The comparison was one is praised despite his inflammatory rhetoric threatening to annihilate his neighbours and throws thousands of people into gulugs who criticise or inadvertently offend the leader and the other is blasted for saying a hideous misogynistic remark. Its not like you cant blast both people.

Additionally I don't know if Trump is doing that great a job at handling them to be honest.  NK continues to test missiles and Trump just sort of lets it go.  In a tough guy staring contest Trump blinked first.  So intimidation doesn't seem to be working for him.

We didn't get a nuclear warhead test as expected on North Koreas precious anniversary. While the still may do it at another time it appears that maybe China is finally exerting the influence it has. Something it wouldn't be doing now if Trump wasn't talking tough or had an 'unpredictable' nature about him. If we had Hillary, we would still get tough talk enough to still anger North Korea, but the world (and China) would know it's hollow

Diplomacy?  He's talking about dropping all his campaign promises on China in exchange for China reigning them in.  Something which is in China's best interest anyways.  This is not inspiring confidence in me with regards to his deal making ability.

The best way to get what you want is the illusion of conceit. If Trump backpeddles on a few things about China, then China could believe it has 'gained' whereas in reality the status quo was simply maintained. Threaten to take something away that already exists and then give it back to get concessions favourable to you (and the wider world). Seems like a pretty good deal to me

Force?  Normally you wouldn't broadcast your intent when you're committed to a debilitating first strike.

North Korea has operated this way for decades and got away with it. No reason they would change now. Keep in mind they do have thousands of missiles aimed at Seoul and are 'still at war' with South Korea. They proudly boasted about their nuclear arsenal and make crappy videos about incinerating American cities. They are banking on you being desensitised to dismiss it
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: FalseProphet on April 25, 2017, 06:10:44 PM

 
 ...previous presidents looking for 'popularity' ..

No other president looked so much for popularity as Trump. He is just not very good in it.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Shifter on April 25, 2017, 06:30:58 PM
Previous presidents had speech writers that were very careful not to 'offend' anyone and always conceited to foreign rival leaders putting American interests last (or certainly not first). How much money did previous American governments hand over to countries like North Korea?

Donald Trump speaks his mind and doesn't give a rats whether sections of the community are offended. Everything that previous presidents like Barack Obama or the First Ladies had speeches that were not their own words and heavily screened before it went to air.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: FalseProphet on April 25, 2017, 06:38:05 PM
Previous presidents had speech writers that were very careful not to 'offend' anyone and always conceited to foreign rival leaders putting American interests last (or certainly not first).

Nobody in the Trump administration gives a f**k for "America's interest, they are as corrupt as it can get. And for trump, the only thing he cares, aside of his ego, is promoting his businesses.

And no, America's politics were never altruistic. They all tried to increase US dominance.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Shifter on April 25, 2017, 06:46:07 PM
All politicians are self serving to some extent. Some more than others. If you think America would be better served under a Clinton administration that's your opinion. I don't think America would fare well under either Clinton or Trump. It was a ridiculous 2 horse race.

The good thing that can but maybe wont come out from Trump winning is it proved to people that anyone can be president. You don't need to spend decades in political life to get there. Given what Trump is like as a person, the next candidate probably wont need millions and billions of dollars in foreign governments money in funding the campaign. Perhaps 2 words could get them over the line..... 'Not Trump'
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: FalseProphet on April 25, 2017, 06:54:00 PM

The good thing that can but maybe wont come out from Trump winning is it proved to people that anyone can be president.

No, a demented tv addicted egomaniac is not fit to do the job.

You need to get money out of politics. As long as you have corporate money controlling your politics you cannot get a government acting in behalf of the American people.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on April 25, 2017, 07:03:03 PM
I don't know if it proves anyone can be president. I think it suggests that Hillary had an extreme amount of baggage going in. I think money will continue to be a huge problem.

The money problem can't be underestimated. It permeates all levels of politics. If you want to run for any public office the most important factor by a long shot is your fundraising ability. Not your intellect, not your judgment. You want to know why politicians all seem kind of retarded with that same half lobotomized grin? That's the demeanor you need to work a room of rich people for donations.

The litmus test of a good Supreme Court nominee is their willingness to fix this problem. Obama, Clinton and Trump all failed spectacularly here.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Shifter on April 25, 2017, 07:06:55 PM
I'd rather someone who has money that came from the country he is living in than someone whos only money has come from giving talk fests and capitulating to foreign countries that oppose the very values you hold dear (eg Saudi Arabia)

Your right. Money should be taken completely out of politics..... America has been an Oligarchy for some time now and I don't see it changing any time soon sadly.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on April 25, 2017, 07:46:12 PM
Previous presidents had speech writers that were very careful not to 'offend' anyone and always conceited to foreign rival leaders putting American interests last (or certainly not first).

Nobody in the Trump administration US government gives a f**k for "America's interest, they are as corrupt as it can get.

Fixed.

And no, America's politics were never altruistic. They all tried to increase US dominance.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on April 26, 2017, 01:20:27 AM
Previous presidents had speech writers that were very careful not to 'offend' anyone and always conceited to foreign rival leaders putting American interests last (or certainly not first). How much money did previous American governments hand over to countries like North Korea?

Diplomacy 101: don't piss off your allies for petty reasons. Former presidents understood this. If you want I can also explain why the US occasionally gives humanitarian aid to North Korea.

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Donald Trump speaks his mind and doesn't give a rats whether sections of the community are offended. Everything that previous presidents like Barack Obama or the First Ladies had speeches that were not their own words and heavily screened before it went to air.

Why is being careful with your words suddenly a bad thing?

Previous presidents had speech writers that were very careful not to 'offend' anyone and always conceited to foreign rival leaders putting American interests last (or certainly not first).

Nobody in the Trump administration US government gives a f**k for "America's interest, they are as corrupt as it can get.

Fixed.

Slow down with the hot takes. This isn't remotely true. Probably not even for the Trump administration.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on April 26, 2017, 02:20:37 AM
Shareblue shareblue, whatcha gonna do, whatcha gonna do when they come for you, shareblue shareblue.

;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on April 26, 2017, 08:32:47 AM
When you try to insult people, maybe you should use references people get. WTF is a shareblue?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on April 26, 2017, 02:36:15 PM
I was just singing to myself for lulz.

www.google.com
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on April 26, 2017, 03:59:08 PM
As long as someone is laughing, I guess.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on April 26, 2017, 05:30:35 PM
Always ;D.

Don't mind me ripping on Totes.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 01, 2017, 01:35:59 PM
Just going to leave this here. Trump interview with Salena Zito (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-why-was-there-the-civil-war/article/2621749)

"I mean, had Andrew Jackson been a little later you wouldn't have had the Civil War. He was a very tough person but he had a big heart. And he was really angry that he saw what was happening with regard to the Civil War, he said 'There's no reason for this.'

People don't realize, you know, the Civil War... if you think about it, why? People don't ask that question, but why was there the Civil War? Why could that one not have been worked out?"
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 01, 2017, 03:31:17 PM
Andrew Jackson's ghost was totally angry about the Civil War. Just get your ouija board out and ask him!

Srsly tho, does Trump not know that Jackson owned slaves?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 01, 2017, 05:21:39 PM
Andrew Jackson's ghost was totally angry about the Civil War. Just get your ouija board out and ask him!

Srsly tho, does Trump not know that Jackson owned slaves?

I doubt he is worried about those little trivialities. Facts and details aren't important. I suspect his logic doesn't extend beyond:

A) Jackson was a strong leader.
B) Strong leaders fix things.
C) Therefore, Jackson would have fixed things.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 01, 2017, 05:38:29 PM
Time to add that last quote to the list of things Trump doesn't realize everyone else understands better than him.

1. "Nobody knew health care could be so complicated"
2. "He then went into the history of China and Korea... And Korea actually used to be a part of China. And after listening for 10 minutes, I realized that it’s not so easy." (on meeting with the Chinese President)
3. "You know what uranium is, right? It’s this thing called nuclear weapons. And other things. Like lots of things are done with uranium. Including some bad things. But nobody talks about that."
4. "People don't ask that question, but why was there the Civil War? Why could that one not have been worked out?"
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 01, 2017, 05:49:26 PM
Smash the state!!

Anarchy 2020.

Here totes.
http://shareblue.com/

I don't think the democrats will fix everything personally.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on May 01, 2017, 06:24:16 PM
Time to add that last quote to the list of things Trump doesn't realize everyone else understands better than him.

1. "Nobody knew health care could be so complicated"
2. "He then went into the history of China and Korea... And Korea actually used to be a part of China. And after listening for 10 minutes, I realized that it’s not so easy." (on meeting with the Chinese President)
3. "You know what uranium is, right? It’s this thing called nuclear weapons. And other things. Like lots of things are done with uranium. Including some bad things. But nobody talks about that."
4. "People don't ask that question, but why was there the Civil War? Why could that one not have been worked out?"

This is some good surface level craziness from Trump.  But don't forget about the subtle but more important bizarre Trumpiness.

Trump proposes a budget, a batshit crazy one.  Trump backs a health care plan that benefits nobody but the top %1 percent.  Trump spends weeks threatening to bring the system to a screeching halt to get his stupid wall funded.  And then...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/after-their-spending-bill-win-democrats-confident-they-can-block-trumps-agenda/2017/05/01/5be2915e-2e97-11e7-9534-00e4656c22aa_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_trumpbudget-0822pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.5b90195ae74a

... says fuck it.  Don't get me wrong I'm glad they agreed to a budget which isn't completely retarded.  But this is such a weird situation.  Republicans have the Presidency, the Senate and the House and this is the budget they came up with?  It almost looks like something the Democrats would have put out if they were the ones in control.  It's like Trump is hindering the Republicans more than helping.  My favorite part is where the budget explicitly forbids any border security funding to be used for construction of a wall.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 01, 2017, 06:52:52 PM
Makes you think that what is happening would be happening regardless of who's the president.

I think it's better to insult peoples policies than question their mental health however I know this isn't a popular opinion.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 01, 2017, 07:34:26 PM
Trump proposes a budget, a batshit crazy one.  Trump backs a health care plan that benefits nobody but the top %1 percent.  Trump spends weeks threatening to bring the system to a screeching halt to get his stupid wall funded.  And then...

... says fuck it. Don't get me wrong I'm glad they agreed to a budget which isn't completely retarded.  But this is such a weird situation.  Republicans have the Presidency, the Senate and the House and this is the budget they came up with?  It almost looks like something the Democrats would have put out if they were the ones in control.  It's like Trump is hindering the Republicans more than helping.  My favorite part is where the budget explicitly forbids any border security funding to be used for construction of a wall.

For 8 years they have based their campaign on obstruction and vague promises. It turns out running a negative campaign doesn't necessarily qualify you to implement positive legislation.

Smash the state!! Anarchy 2020...

I don't think the democrats will fix everything personally.

Of course they won't. But let's not throw out the baby with the bath water.

Makes you think that what is happening would be happening regardless of who's the president.

The important thing is what isn't happening. The government is a big, sluggish beast. It doesn't change quickly. This is generally a GOOD thing.

Quick, sweeping changes are risky. Relying on a flawed-but-proven system is less risky. We can probably survive a few more years of the the same system that has gotten us through the last 200+ years. What we might NOT survive is a moron that has the ability to make quick and sweeping changes. Ironically, this is the essence of conservatism.

Changes can, should, and do happen. But they usually happen slowly. One change that I am in favor of is electoral reform. Remove the electoral college. Change to a ranked voting system. Do something to kill political gerrymandering (districting done automatically with open source code or change how Congressional elections work). This would weaken the power of the two major parties, lead to less negative campaigns, and hopefully result in more agreeable candidates.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 01, 2017, 07:35:51 PM
We haven't had a campaign that wasn't based purely on discrediting your opponent since I have been alive.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 01, 2017, 07:37:25 PM
We haven't had a campaign that wasn't based purely on discrediting your opponent since I have been alive.

Exactly. Hence the need for electoral reform.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 01, 2017, 07:46:14 PM
We haven't had a campaign that wasn't based purely on discrediting your opponent since I have been alive.

Exactly. Hence the need for electoral reform.

No arguments from me there.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 02, 2017, 10:19:41 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/president-trump-oval-office-interview-cbs-this-morning-full-transcript/

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-1YG8dXgAA-rKZ.jpg)

Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on May 02, 2017, 10:25:35 AM


Pay attention to the expression on Dickerson's face and the inflection of his voice.  It's like he's talking to a 5 year old.

Glorious.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Canadabear on May 02, 2017, 10:36:15 AM


Pay attention to the expression on Dickerson's face and the inflection of his voice.  It's like he's talking to a 5 year old.

Glorious.

every 5 year old is smarter than trump is.
i think he is mental ill and should be removed right away.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 02, 2017, 10:36:30 AM
This was my favorite part -

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: I don't stand by anything.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 02, 2017, 11:01:55 AM
This was my favorite part -

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: I don't stand by anything.

Out of context, that might be the truest thing he's said all year. Case in point:

"I promise to rebuild our military and secure our border. Democrats want to shut down the government. Politics!" (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/857604623531749376) -- 5 days ago
"As families prepare for summer vacations in our National Parks - Democrats threaten to close them and shut down the government. Terrible!" (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/857605104417026049) -- 5 days ago
"either elect more Republican Senators in 2018 or change the rules now to 51%. Our country needs a good "shutdown" in September to fix mess!" (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/859393829505552385) -- today
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 02, 2017, 11:10:18 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/president-trump-oval-office-interview-cbs-this-morning-full-transcript/

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-1YG8dXgAA-rKZ.jpg)

Can anyone tell me exactly what he is talking about? Normally I can at least figure out what he is trying to say, but I am drawing a complete blank here.

Edit: Oh, just watched the video of the interview. He is literally talking about the view out the window. WOOOSH
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Canadabear on May 02, 2017, 11:14:28 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/president-trump-oval-office-interview-cbs-this-morning-full-transcript/

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-1YG8dXgAA-rKZ.jpg)

Can anyone tell me exactly what he is talking about? Normally I can at least figure out what he is trying to say, but I am drawing a complete blank here.

its only the standard babbeling he does when he does not understand the question.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Shifter on May 02, 2017, 03:34:53 PM
Not surprising. Here is his answer on 2+2 (a mock up)

"I have to say a lot of people have been asking this question. No, really. A lot of people come up to me, and they ask me. They say, 'What's 2+2'? And I tell them, look, we know what 2+2 is. We've had almost eight years of the worst kind of math you can imagine. Oh, my God, I can't believe it. Addition and subtraction of the 1s the 2s and the 3s. It's terrible. It's just terrible. Look, if you want to know what 2+2 is, do you want to know what 2+2 is? I'll tell you. First of all the number 2, by the way, I love the number 2. It's probably my favorite number, no it is my favorite number. You know what, it's probably more like the number two but with a lot of zeros behind it. A lot. If I'm being honest, I mean, if I'm being honest. I like a lot of zeros. Except for Marco Rubio, now he's a zero that I don't like. Though, I probably shouldn't say that. He's a nice guy, but he's like, '10101000101,' on and on, like that. He's like a computer! You know what I mean? He's like a computer. I don't know. I mean, you know. So, we have all these numbers, and we can add them and subtract them and add them. TIMES them even. Did you know that? We can times them OR divide them, they don't tell you that, and I'll tell you, no one is better at the order of operations than me. You wouldn't believe it. So, we're gonna be the best on 2+2, believe me."

Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 02, 2017, 04:11:28 PM
Not surprising. Here is his answer on 2+2 (a mock up)

"I have to say a lot of people have been asking this question. No, really. A lot of people come up to me, and they ask me. They say, 'What's 2+2'? And I tell them, look, we know what 2+2 is. We've had almost eight years of the worst kind of math you can imagine. Oh, my God, I can't believe it. Addition and subtraction of the 1s the 2s and the 3s. It's terrible. It's just terrible. Look, if you want to know what 2+2 is, do you want to know what 2+2 is? I'll tell you. First of all the number 2, by the way, I love the number 2. It's probably my favorite number, no it is my favorite number. You know what, it's probably more like the number two but with a lot of zeros behind it. A lot. If I'm being honest, I mean, if I'm being honest. I like a lot of zeros. Except for Marco Rubio, now he's a zero that I don't like. Though, I probably shouldn't say that. He's a nice guy, but he's like, '10101000101,' on and on, like that. He's like a computer! You know what I mean? He's like a computer. I don't know. I mean, you know. So, we have all these numbers, and we can add them and subtract them and add them. TIMES them even. Did you know that? We can times them OR divide them, they don't tell you that, and I'll tell you, no one is better at the order of operations than me. You wouldn't believe it. So, we're gonna be the best on 2+2, believe me."

"Five. But let's talk about the stuff people care about like veterans affairs..." -- Kelly Anne Conway

"Well if you listen to what the president is saying... sit down, let me talk... and I think he has made it very clear... no, it's my turn, you'll get your turn in a minute... the president made it very clear what he thinks 2+2 is..." -- Sean Spicer

"My teacher told me it was four, but my dad said I have to listen to Miss Kelly Anne." -- Eric Trump

"Our opponents, the media, and the whole world will soon see that the president's thoughts on 2+2 are very substantial and will not be questioned." -- Stephen Miller
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 02, 2017, 05:11:58 PM
We haven't had a campaign that wasn't based purely on discrediting your opponent since I have been alive.

Exactly. Hence the need for electoral reform.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 02, 2017, 05:51:47 PM
Ha. Touche. But on the other, if we can't make fun of the dumbass things this administration is says, then what's the point of living in a democracy?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 02, 2017, 05:57:28 PM
We have to make fun of him while we can, he's still looking at changing the libel laws!
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 02, 2017, 05:59:30 PM
Ha. Touche. But on the other, if we can't make fun of the dumbass things this administration is says, then what's the point of living in a democracy?

Agreed.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Shifter on May 02, 2017, 06:47:11 PM
Something people should consider though....

The more you denigrate and make fun of your own countries leaders, the weaker your nation becomes and the stronger rival nations get.

I do not approve of the way China, Russia and North Korea deal with freedoms at all but one side effect of their brutality is they are very strong and committed.

I would say America would be better served expressing their outrage with mature dialogue rather than riot in the streets, smash windows, torch random cars/buildings, violently attack others with a different view etc A divided nation is a weaker nation. I'm not saying roll over and let him have a free ride. But to try and work WITH him rather than AGAINST. I don't care much for the leader of my country either. But throwing a molitov cocktail and some innocent random small business is not going to solve the problem.

He may not be the President you want or voted for, but if you want your country to have a chance in prospering in the next 4 years, people there need to suck it up and behave like adults and accept he is YOUR President. I can see why other dictatorships would never want to grant people basic freedoms. They just look at America to what happens when 'People have power'. The behaviour only cements people suffering oppression in such countries to stay suffering as their leaders grip tighter and tighter to power.

People should have the power and they do. It's how they use it that defines them.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Twerp on May 02, 2017, 06:49:33 PM
Not surprising. Here is his answer on 2+2 (a mock up)

"I have to say a lot of people have been asking this question. No, really. A lot of people come up to me, and they ask me. They say, 'What's 2+2'? And I tell them, look, we know what 2+2 is. We've had almost eight years of the worst kind of math you can imagine. Oh, my God, I can't believe it. Addition and subtraction of the 1s the 2s and the 3s. It's terrible. It's just terrible. Look, if you want to know what 2+2 is, do you want to know what 2+2 is? I'll tell you. First of all the number 2, by the way, I love the number 2. It's probably my favorite number, no it is my favorite number. You know what, it's probably more like the number two but with a lot of zeros behind it. A lot. If I'm being honest, I mean, if I'm being honest. I like a lot of zeros. Except for Marco Rubio, now he's a zero that I don't like. Though, I probably shouldn't say that. He's a nice guy, but he's like, '10101000101,' on and on, like that. He's like a computer! You know what I mean? He's like a computer. I don't know. I mean, you know. So, we have all these numbers, and we can add them and subtract them and add them. TIMES them even. Did you know that? We can times them OR divide them, they don't tell you that, and I'll tell you, no one is better at the order of operations than me. You wouldn't believe it. So, we're gonna be the best on 2+2, believe me."

LOL.

Good post!
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 02, 2017, 07:01:12 PM
We have to make fun of him while we can, he's still looking at changing the libel laws!

Scg no disrespect but dissent is merely tolerated now, we don't have the right to disagree anymore.

It's perfectly legal to put someone in a hole for the rest of their life with no charges, no trial, no lawyer and no jury of their peers. It's perfectly legal for the government to just make us "disappear" After that certain day so many years ago which changed our future and our freedoms forever.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Act

Edit. Typo.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 02, 2017, 07:41:46 PM
Something people should consider though....

The more you denigrate and make fun of your own countries leaders, the weaker your nation becomes and the stronger rival nations get.

I do not approve of the way China, Russia and North Korea deal with freedoms at all but one side effect of their brutality is they are very strong and committed.

Lol, what? In what way are Russia and North Korea "very strong and committed"? China is only strong economically by shear weight of numbers.

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I would say America would be better served expressing their outrage with mature dialogue rather than riot in the streets, smash windows, torch random cars/buildings, violently attack others with a different view etc A divided nation is a weaker nation. I'm not saying roll over and let him have a free ride. But to try and work WITH him rather than AGAINST. I don't care much for the leader of my country either. But throwing a molitov cocktail and some innocent random small business is not going to solve the problem.

Who the heck is advocating violent protests?

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He may not be the President you want or voted for, but if you want your country to have a chance in prospering in the next 4 years, people there need to suck it up and behave like adults and accept he is YOUR President. I can see why other dictatorships would never want to grant people basic freedoms. They just look at America to what happens when 'People have power'. The behaviour only cements people suffering oppression in such countries to stay suffering as their leaders grip tighter and tighter to power.

Wow this is some dumb logic. No, I am not going to stop criticizing the president when he says or does dumb stuff. The willingness to criticize our leaders is probably the main reason that Trump/Ryan were unable to pass their awful healthcare reform law. Practically the entire nation was up in arms against it. It works.

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People should have the power and they do. It's how they use it that defines them.

Holding our leaders accountable is one of the foundational responsibilities of every citizen of a democracy. Nincompoop.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Shifter on May 02, 2017, 08:05:22 PM
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Lol, what? In what way are Russia and North Korea "very strong and committed"? China is only strong economically by shear weight of numbers.

Politicians in western countries seem to be able to only pass legislation that is 'popular' and short term. China for example can have a long term vision and implement not so popular measures that may be in a long term greater good. Our governments also have 'partisan for partisan sake' oppositions to contend with. Doesn't matter if an idea is good, it will be blocked just so the opposition feels like it has some relevance.

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Who the heck is advocating violent protests?
Are you trying to tell me that the 'Not my President' and the protests on November 9 and beyond have all been peaceful without violence. Just google image search 'Trump riots' and tell me they look peaceful and mature. Many slogans/graffiti ordering for the killing of Trump. No avocation of violence you say?

The 'left' side of politics usually get far more riled up violently than the right side. People on the left have been busted going to Trump rallies with the deliberate intent to start some violence in the hopes of discrediting their opposition. Yep real mature

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Wow this is some dumb logic. No, I am not going to stop criticizing the president when he says or does dumb stuff. The willingness to criticize our leaders is probably the main reason that Trump/Ryan were unable to pass their awful healthcare reform law. Practically the entire nation was up in arms against it. It works.

And I never said that you could not criticize the president or cant hold him/her to account. I only said it would be better to engage in a mature dialogue. How have the riots accomplished anything except further alienate any concerns you have with the President? Perhaps that is something that butthurt  snowflake millennials aren't capable of doing because all their life they have been wrapped in cotton wool, been given participation medals and told how special they were.


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Holding our leaders accountable is one of the foundational responsibilities of every citizen of a democracy. Nincompoop.

This can be achieved without resorting to vandalism and violence. Those that support these violent and uncivilised activities are the real nincompoops  :P
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 02, 2017, 08:29:58 PM
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Lol, what? In what way are Russia and North Korea "very strong and committed"? China is only strong economically by shear weight of numbers.

Politicians in western countries seem to be able to only pass legislation that is 'popular' and short term. China for example can have a long term vision and implement not so popular measures that may be in a long term greater good. Our governments also have 'partisan for partisan sake' oppositions to contend with. Doesn't matter if an idea is good, it will be blocked just so the opposition feels like it has some relevance.

I agree that shortsighted policies are a weakness of governments with short term lengths. I also don't like "partisan for partisan sake" opposition. Neither of those are reasons to restrain from valid criticism though.

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Who the heck is advocating violent protests?
Are you trying to tell me that the 'Not my President' and the protests on November 9 and beyond have all been peaceful without violence. Just google image search 'Trump riots' and tell me they look peaceful and mature. Many slogans/graffiti ordering for the killing of Trump. No avocation of violence you say?

1. I have not advocated violence.
2. I don't think anyone on this thread advocated violence. (but maybe I just missed it)
3. Has every protest been peaceful? Of course not. The vast majority have been peaceful though. I have not personally seen a single violent protest. There were a string of protests that got crashed by some black bloc anarchists. But pretty much everyone on both sides hates them.

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The 'left' side of politics usually get far more riled up violently than the right side. People on the left have been busted going to Trump rallies with the deliberate intent to start some violence in the hopes of discrediting their opposition. Yep real mature

So, whenever right-wing protests get violent, it's because of provocateurs from the left. But whenever left-wing protests get violent, it's representative of everyone on the left?

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Wow this is some dumb logic. No, I am not going to stop criticizing the president when he says or does dumb stuff. The willingness to criticize our leaders is probably the main reason that Trump/Ryan were unable to pass their awful healthcare reform law. Practically the entire nation was up in arms against it. It works.

And I never said that you could not criticize the president or cant hold him/her to account. I only said it would be better to engage in a mature dialogue. How have the riots accomplished anything except further alienate any concerns you have with the President? Perhaps that is something that butthurt  snowflake millennials aren't capable of doing because all their life they have been wrapped in cotton wool, been given participation medals and told how special they were.

Again, no one here is advocating violent riots. The vast majority of people protesting Trump are not advocating violence. I would be happy to have a mature dialog with you. What would you like to discuss?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 02, 2017, 08:45:36 PM
Again, no one here is advocating violent riots.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion

When a fascist is anyone who isn't radically left wing we have issues.

They are selling their own concealed blades.

(https://s9.postimg.org/wxh5z6ua7/Screen-_Shot-2017-04-18-at-12.38.32-_PM-575x591.png)

Also this.

(https://s12.postimg.org/bwp53zk0t/Antifa-gun_club.jpg)





Free palestine.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 02, 2017, 09:00:37 PM
Again, no one here is advocating violent riots.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion

When a fascist is anyone who isn't radically left wing we have issues.

By "here", I meant this thread.

I don't know much about that group, but yes, I'm sure you can find a ton of overzealous/radical/violent groups on both sides of the aisle. Two can play at that game. They don't represent the majority though, nor should we avoid valid criticism because of their existence.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 02, 2017, 09:22:30 PM

(https://s12.postimg.org/bwp53zk0t/Antifa-gun_club.jpg)


Fucking amateurs.
PHOENIX JOHN
BROWN GUN CLUB
A club for owners of brown guns?
What's a Phoenix John?
PHOENIX
John Brown
GUN CLUB


That's what you get when you blow your entire sign budget on pizza and beer.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Shifter on May 02, 2017, 09:41:49 PM
I didn't mean to imply people are advocating violence in this thread, I meant in general.

One of the hallmarks of Americas democracy is that between every government, there has been a peaceful transfer of power.

Remember the gasps and outrage when Trump hinted he 'may not accept the result' of the election because it may be rigged against him?? How the tables turned. Now we have the democrats crying foul and rigged and the voters refusing to accept the result and the democrats engaging in a 'block everything' because they refuse to recognise Trump. (in their defence, when they were in power the Republicans were doing similar tactics where they could), but it such a stupid self defeating tactic.

The one point I am trying to get across is that people should just be more mature when it comes to protests, holding their elected representatives to account and regardless of what 'side' you're on to always conduct yourself in a manner that is both civilised and with dignity.

If you are concerned about what Trump may do to ObamaCare, burning and effigy of Trump screaming chants of 'Not My President!' and other profanity expletives about him and his family is not going to get the person who can make things happen to listen to you. It is a discredit to your cause and your country to behave like this.

America has the opportunity to show the world how to deal with a President you don't like or agree with. Instead it appears from an outsiders perspective, that it has been Libya and other fallen African and Middle Eastern countries of late that have shown you how to deal with the problem. How well has it worked for them?

The current path is only getting Trump to dig his heels in and strengthen his and his supporters resolve.

A divided nation is weak, but then I'm sure some of the left side of politics would love to see Trump fail. But if he fails, so does your country. I seriously don't get it. If you loved your country, more than ever you should be rooting for his success! (as hard as that may be to stomach).

Don't get me wrong, I think Trump is a terrible example of a human being and certainly not the best or brightest fit to lead a nation. (I don't think his opponent was much better in this regard though). I just think things need to be handled differently if there is to be a brighter future.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 02, 2017, 10:04:30 PM

America has the opportunity to show the world how to deal with a President you don't like or agree with.



We did that with Obama.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 03, 2017, 12:49:44 AM
I didn't mean to imply people are advocating violence in this thread, I meant in general.

Um... ok. We agree on that then. Violence is bad, mkay?

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One of the hallmarks of Americas democracy is that between every government, there has been a peaceful transfer of power.

And this election was no exception.

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Remember the gasps and outrage when Trump hinted he 'may not accept the result' of the election because it may be rigged against him?? How the tables turned. Now we have the democrats crying foul and rigged and the voters refusing to accept the result and the democrats engaging in a 'block everything' because they refuse to recognise Trump. (in their defence, when they were in power the Republicans were doing similar tactics where they could), but it such a stupid self defeating tactic.

The one point I am trying to get across is that people should just be more mature when it comes to protests, holding their elected representatives to account and regardless of what 'side' you're on to always conduct yourself in a manner that is both civilised and with dignity.

If you are concerned about what Trump may do to ObamaCare, burning and effigy of Trump screaming chants of 'Not My President!' and other profanity expletives about him and his family is not going to get the person who can make things happen to listen to you. It is a discredit to your cause and your country to behave like this.

America has the opportunity to show the world how to deal with a President you don't like or agree with. Instead it appears from an outsiders perspective, that it has been Libya and other fallen African and Middle Eastern countries of late that have shown you how to deal with the problem. How well has it worked for them?

Where do you live? Where are you getting your information from? This all seems completely off base to me.

The vast majority of protests have been peaceful. I haven't seen anyone of prominence calling the election rigged except for Trump himself (even after he won). I haven't seen the democrats use a "block everything" strategy. In fact they just recently announced that Congress agreed to a bipartisan spending bill. Quite a few Trump appointees were approved without incident. The stuff they HAVE attempted to block was well justified: healthcare, Gorsuch, Sessions, DeVos, etc.

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The current path is only getting Trump to dig his heels in and strengthen his and his supporters resolve.

Screw that. We need to expose his lies and ignorance for what they are so people aren't fooled into supporting this moron.

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A divided nation is weak, but then I'm sure some of the left side of politics would love to see Trump fail. But if he fails, so does your country. I seriously don't get it. If you loved your country, more than ever you should be rooting for his success! (as hard as that may be to stomach).

If his policies are bad for the country, I absolutely want him to fail to implement them. I am not going to root for his idiotic border wall. I am not going to root for his Muslim ban. I am not going to root for him to wreck healthcare or the environment or foreign relations or scientific progress. The government will chug along just fine for 4 years if he does nothing outside of signing legislation put in front of him.

If he wants to do something good for the country then I will absolutely root for that, but so far they have been few and far between.

Also, you realize that the vast majority of the division was instigated by Trump himself, right? He has been spreading baseless anti-liberal conspiracy theories for years. He was the biggest voice behind the birther movement. And now that he has become president, he hasn't ended his divisiveness. He blames the "loser democrats" for practically everything. Just check his twitter feed.

Telling opponents of Trump to stop being divisive is about as ironic as it gets. It's like the school bully telling the victim to "stop hitting yourself! stop hitting yourself! stop hitting yourself!"

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Don't get me wrong, I think Trump is a terrible example of a human being and certainly not the best or brightest fit to lead a nation. (I don't think his opponent was much better in this regard though). I just think things need to be handled differently if there is to be a brighter future.

Hillary is irrelevant at this point. I think you just have a skewed view of what is going on. I have no idea where you are getting this notion that the streets are flooded with violence. They aren't. The vast majority of protests have been peaceful.

But we absolutely should NOT stop criticizing Trump, as long as he continues to do things worth criticizing.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 03, 2017, 12:52:44 AM
Wow Totes.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 03, 2017, 01:23:35 AM
Sorry I have just never seen you so passionate about anything.

If you think having Trump impeached will help the US then power to you bro. However, from experience with Australian politics, changing leader mid-term is unwise.

Shifter also knows this, we look like absolute clowns to the rest of the world in a political sense.

Two leadership changes in last goverment and so far one leadership change in our current government.

I literally didn't vote last election and paid the fine (compulsory vote here) I used to think voting was important until they sacked Kevin Rudd, he was a damn good PM (stimulus bonus amirite?) and I voted for him, no one asked me if we should sack him.

I've nearly lost faith in our system now. I agree with a lot of Shifters sentiments in this thread.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on May 03, 2017, 01:34:58 AM
Tactically speaking I wouldn't want to see Trump impeached.  His saving grace is that he's thoroughly incompetent.  The checks built into the system are effectively keeping him from doing too much damage so far.  Just 1357 days to go.

If Trump stepped down we'd have Mike "American Taliban" Pence for president. 
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 03, 2017, 01:56:58 AM
I agree he's incompetent no doubt.

I fell for the MSM attacking him and thought he would actually shake some trees and maybe even drain the swamp.

I was wrong. Imo he might've gone in thinking he was going to change things but was immediately reminded how the game is played and what he was expected to do.

I supported him because I thought he was more honest than his opponent, which isn't saying much at all imo.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 03, 2017, 02:03:31 AM
Now it's back to anarchy for me.



inb4 it wont work.
I know.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 03, 2017, 10:20:04 AM
Tactically speaking I wouldn't want to see Trump impeached.  His saving grace is that he's thoroughly incompetent.  The checks built into the system are effectively keeping him from doing too much damage so far.  Just 1357 days to go.

If Trump stepped down we'd have Mike "American Taliban" Pence for president.

I have come to the same conclusion.  There is no one behind him that I want to pick up the reins. We just need to survive his term and get to the next election. Hopefully he will decided the presidency is too much work and will decline to run for a second term. Then both parties will have someone new to choose from.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 03, 2017, 11:26:57 AM
Sorry I have just never seen you so passionate about anything.

Anti-intellectualism is amusing when it comes from flat earthers. It is much less amusing when it comes from the president and gets parroted by a significant portion of the populace.

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If you think having Trump impeached will help the US then power to you bro. However, from experience with Australian politics, changing leader mid-term is unwise.

Unless the Russia investigation unearths something that runs very deep, I'm with crutonius and SCG on this one. His incompetence is a blessing in disguise.

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Shifter also knows this, we look like absolute clowns to the rest of the world in a political sense.

Two leadership changes in last goverment and so far one leadership change in our current government.

I literally didn't vote last election and paid the fine (compulsory vote here) I used to think voting was important until they sacked Kevin Rudd, he was a damn good PM (stimulus bonus amirite?) and I voted for him, no one asked me if we should sack him.

I've nearly lost faith in our system now.

Bummer. I don't know much about Aussie politics. I generally just like to imagine you are run by a parliament of 'roos and crocs.

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I agree with a lot of Shifters sentiments in this thread.

Here's the thing though. You keep complaining about all the violent protests in the States, despite not living here, and I'm here like...

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Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 03, 2017, 11:39:21 AM
Speaking of violent riots... the House is currently trying to whip up support for a new healthcare bill. If you don't like the tone of the protests now, just wait until they take healthcare away from 10 - 30 million people. That might get a bit tense.

I doubt it will pass the Senate though. They are just trying to get something past the House so they can tell their supporters "we tried! those darn dems in the Senate blocked us!"
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Twerp on May 03, 2017, 11:45:52 AM
Then both parties will have someone new to choose from.

Which can only better than the choice they had in the last election.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 03, 2017, 04:30:01 PM
Here's the thing though. You keep complaining about all the violent protests in the States, despite not living here, and I'm here like...

(https://i.giphy.com/gngO1gmBhS9na.gif)

Am I not allowed to be concerned for the American people? If idgaf then I wouldn't worry about what's happenings over there.

I'd probably just say something like this.

I generally just like to imagine you are run by a parliament of 'roos and crocs.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Shifter on May 03, 2017, 04:41:20 PM
Then both parties will have someone new to choose from.

Which can only better than the choice they had in the last election.

This is one take-away lesson I hope both parties come to realise and do better next round. (Not hard to do better, but hope they can do MUCH better). Hopefully the next candidates are one of high calibre and intelligence. Not just some political spin artist funded on the back of Saudi Arabia or some other foreign power or huge conglomerate. The public notices and it doesn't approve. Little they can do in a 2 horse race. I don't have a lot of faith in politics of any persuasion though or that lessons will be learnt. In Australia the top job has just been a game of musical chairs on both sides. It's been a joke that has near paralysed our countries progress and prosperity for the last 7 years.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 03, 2017, 04:45:06 PM
Am I not allowed to be concerned for the American people? If idgaf then I wouldn't worry about what's happenings over there.

I appreciate your concern, but the thing that you keep insisting is a serious problem isn't actually a serious problem as far as I can tell. It's sort of perplexing. Why do you think it is a serious problem? Who is telling you it is a serious problem?

Yes, occasionally a group of asshole anarchists get together and smash a few windows and throw a few rocks. Maybe start a brawl or two. The police come by and arrest a few of them, to the delight of the general public. This has little to do with most anti-Trump protests, the vast majority of which have been peaceful.

I'd probably just say something like this.
I generally just like to imagine you are run by a parliament of 'roos and crocs.

We prefer donkeys and elephants on this side of the world. You are welcome to try. It's fun! Or dogs for the Supreme Court. (http://)
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 03, 2017, 05:11:01 PM
We are still slaves of the emu after the great emu war.

If my emu overlords are reading I think they are great.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Shifter on May 03, 2017, 05:12:08 PM
Why were they protesting at all on the night he won the election? He hadn't taken up office yet and there was nothing he had done yet to 'hold him to account'. It really was an anti democratic case of 'sour grapes'

I can get why you would protest awful and ill conceived decisions or illegal activity. But to protest because your side lost is ridiculous and anti democratic. It set the tone and revealed their true agenda and is now hard for them to take seriously. Are they protesting because they don't like Trump or are they protesting for legitimate concerns? The lines have now been blurred

The media certainly loves to fan the flames because its great click bait. Over here the media is very lop sided and almost praises protesters that turn ugly as if they are noble and 'fighting the good fight' and find a way to make it Trumps fault.


I believe you could also thank the media for Trumps win. People are fed up of being 'told' how to think. You can hardly find an organisation that reports unbiased journalism these days. In fact, I don't think there are any journalists left. Most 'news' are now opinion pieces.

The other way the media helped was essentially 'telling' everyone that the election was in the bag for Hillary and that Trump had zero chance of winning. This would only make Hillarys job in trying to get her supporters out to vote (why should they, she's a sure win) and rally Trump voters to vote for him.

Those celebrities throwing themselves at Hillary did not do her any favours to help getting her voter base to the polls.

The media would do well next time to stay unbiased, report only on the verified facts and stay out of it. Celebrities should probably just stay out of politics all together.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 03, 2017, 05:17:17 PM
I believe you could also thank the media for Trumps win. People are fed up of being 'told' how to think. You can hardly find an organisation that reports unbiased journalism these days. In fact, I don't think there are any journalists left. Most 'news' are now opinion pieces.

The other way the media helped was essentially 'telling' everyone that the election was in the bag for Hillary and that Trump had zero chance of winning. This would only make Hillarys job in trying to get her supporters out to vote (why should they, she's a sure win) and rally Trump voters to vote for him.

Those celebrities throwing themselves at Hillary did not do her any favours to help getting her voter base to the polls.

The media would do well next time to stay unbiased, report only on the verified facts and stay out of it. Celebrities should probably just stay out of politics all together.

100× this, they wouldn't have incurred the wrath of kek either.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 03, 2017, 05:29:01 PM
Protesting is not "anti democratic", also there was already plenty to hold him to account for. He still hadn't divested from his business interests. He still hadn't kept his promise to release his tax information.

I realize celebrities can be annoying, but they are citizens. They have a right to free speech.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Shifter on May 03, 2017, 05:46:07 PM
I didn't suggest there should be a law against the celebrities talking about it, just that if they want their preferred candidate to win, that their chances would be better if they didn't get so invested in it. You had the likes of Amy Schumer getting a republican voter on stage for the sheer point of ridiculing him and demonising him based on who he would vote for. Somewhere in democracy you would think the people would be free to vote for whomever they wished without having to endure scorn or ridicule from their peers.

You also had Madonna promising a blow job to everyone who would vote for Hillary. Real classy (so much for Michelle Obamas 'when they go low, we go high' speech. Madonnas went below the belt - literally lol

These celebrities (some so uber wealthy they could never relate to the lives that the '99%' endure) thought they were in touch with the people. I guess given their 'anger' and some expletive ridden rants at the voters after the election that it shows they have not learned just how out of touch they are and that they are not as popular as they think.

I'm still wondering when they are going to move to Canada as promised. (maybe a lot were hoping they would so voted for Trump to make sure lol)
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 03, 2017, 06:25:19 PM
Australia is full. Canada is the place to be :).
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 03, 2017, 06:32:13 PM
Well, the best thing to do is ridicule the celebrities when they do something stupid, just like anybody else.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 03, 2017, 09:32:54 PM
Why were they protesting at all on the night he won the election? He hadn't taken up office yet and there was nothing he had done yet to 'hold him to account'. It really was an anti democratic case of 'sour grapes'

He hadn't done anything yet as president, but he had done plenty as a candidate and as a person. There was already tons to protest. Here's a list.

1. Lying constantly, pushing made up facts, pushing baseless conspiracy theories (birtherism et al).
2. Supporting war crimes (torture, killing families of terrorists)
3. Conflicts of interest. Still has not divested from business interests or released tax returns, despite promises.
4. Attitude towards immigrants. Promises of a border wall.
5. Attitude towards women.
6. Attitude towards science and the environment. Assertion that climate change is a "Chinese hoax".
7. General meanness towards anyone who said something he doesn't like.
8. Support of Russian interference in elections. Possibly even collusion (though still not proven).

These are just off the top of my head. I'm sure I missed some. I can flesh them out with specifics on request.

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I can get why you would protest awful and ill conceived decisions or illegal activity. But to protest because your side lost is ridiculous and anti democratic.

Yes, that is exactly what people are protesting: awful and ill conceived decisions and possibly illegal activity. They are not protesting just because "their side" lost. See above list.

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It set the tone and revealed their true agenda and is now hard for them to take seriously. Are they protesting because they don't like Trump or are they protesting for legitimate concerns? The lines have now been blurred

legitimate concerns. See above list.

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The media certainly loves to fan the flames because its great click bait. Over here the media is very lop sided and almost praises protesters that turn ugly as if they are noble and 'fighting the good fight' and find a way to make it Trumps fault.

I believe you could also thank the media for Trumps win. People are fed up of being 'told' how to think. You can hardly find an organisation that reports unbiased journalism these days. In fact, I don't think there are any journalists left. Most 'news' are now opinion pieces.

Try these: apnews.com, reuters.com, c-span.org

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The other way the media helped was essentially 'telling' everyone that the election was in the bag for Hillary and that Trump had zero chance of winning. This would only make Hillarys job in trying to get her supporters out to vote (why should they, she's a sure win) and rally Trump voters to vote for him.

Those celebrities throwing themselves at Hillary did not do her any favours to help getting her voter base to the polls.

The media would do well next time to stay unbiased, report only on the verified facts and stay out of it. Celebrities should probably just stay out of politics all together.

I agree that the media coverage in general was awful and bears part of the blame. Celebrities can speak for themselves. Some are smart and some are dumb. They should be judged on an individual basis.

You also had Madonna promising a blow job to everyone who would vote for Hillary. Real classy (so much for Michelle Obamas 'when they go low, we go high' speech. Madonnas went below the belt - literally lol

I seriously doubt Michelle Obama had anything to do with Madonna's comments. You know that the "left" isn't one giant monolithic organism, right? Michelle and Madonna are in fact two different people.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 03, 2017, 09:35:54 PM
You know there is still no proof for Russia hacking the paper ballots right?

Except the news?

Also I'm a left wing libertarian according to www.politicalcompass.org/test.
Just fyi.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 03, 2017, 09:42:26 PM
You know there is still no proof for Russia hacking the paper ballots right?

Except the news?

I did not claim Russia hacked the paper ballots. I have never seen any news source claim Russia hacked the paper ballots. What on earth are you talking about?

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Also I'm a left wing libertarian according to www.politicalcompass.org/test.
Just fyi.

Neat.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 03, 2017, 09:43:04 PM
Can you be more specific on your claim of "Russian interference?"
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 03, 2017, 10:02:56 PM
Can you be more specific on your claim of "Russian interference?"

Sure. The Russians conducted a campaign to influence the election by spamming social media with fake news stories against Hillary and trolls that pushed these stories and promoted support for Trump. They also hacked a DNC email database and gave the emails to Wikileaks. Trump publicly supported the email hacking/leaks. Definitive collusion between Trump and Russia has not been proven yet.

No one of significance has claimed that the actual ballots were tampered with. Well... except for Trump himself. Another one of his baseless conspiracy theories.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 03, 2017, 10:20:19 PM
The password to the account was "password". Deserved it.
4chan had more to do with the fake news than the Russians. Also the "hacking" and wikileaks.

P.S assange is dead imo.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 03, 2017, 10:28:04 PM
The password to the account was "password". Deserved it.
4chan had more to do with the fake news than the Russians. Also the "hacking" and wikileaks.

P.S assange is dead imo.

I have no doubt 4chan did their fair share of trolling. And my point stands, regardless if they "deserved it" or not.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 03, 2017, 10:29:12 PM
But your point doesn't stand if you can't link any of it to the Russians.

Which we have no evidence for.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on May 03, 2017, 10:42:48 PM
But your point doesn't stand if you can't link any of it to the Russians.

Which we have no evidence for.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/trump-russia/?utm_term=.483b936d17cf

There's evidence.  Not quite enough to motivate a Republican government to act against him but it's there.  Although any collusion is probably not from the top of Trump's campaign on down.  It's probably more from the bottom up.  This is actually not the first time Russia has interfered in our elections. 

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/how-adlai-stevenson-stopped-russian-interference-1960-election-180961681/
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 03, 2017, 10:48:29 PM
There's MSM news articles*

Agreed.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Shifter on May 03, 2017, 10:50:20 PM
Can you be more specific on your claim of "Russian interference?"

Sure. The Russians conducted a campaign to influence the election by spamming social media with fake news stories against Hillary and trolls that pushed these stories and promoted support for Trump. They also hacked a DNC email database and gave the emails to Wikileaks. Trump publicly supported the email hacking/leaks. Definitive collusion between Trump and Russia has not been proven yet.

No one of significance has claimed that the actual ballots were tampered with. Well... except for Trump himself. Another one of his baseless conspiracy theories.

MSM did exactly the same thing, just against Trump. There was plenty of fake news about both candidates going around except Trump had the fake news pushed by every single media outlet and social media platform. Any fakeness about Hillary was limited to social media platforms spread amongst mainly like minded people. I think trump drew the shorter straw here.

America certainly has its share in interfering in foreign countries elections. Why wouldn't foreign countries want to gear themselves toward a future leader they can work with? I personally cant see the problem with America and Russia having a warmer relationship myself. Would you rather revisit a cold war era? Who cares is Trump wants to be best buds with Vlad

I would call Saudi Arabia throwing tens of millions of dollars to the 'Clinton Foundation' some form of interference or collusion. The Saudi and other gulf states are among the most misogynistic, homophobic human rights abusers on the planet. They wanted Hillary as President and it was allowed for them to interfere simply because Hillary is "representing" the left. I put 'representing' in quotes because what Clinton says and what she does and who she supports is anything BUT the left of politics. On one hand she will advocate LGBTI rights, and on the other take money from governments who commit some of the worst human rights abuses on the planet. Does anyone seriously think Saudi Arabia donated the money out of the goodness of their heart? If Clinton became president, they would want a return on their investment. I think Russia makes a better, less dangerous and less strange bedfellow than Saudi, but hey, if Saudi (ISIS with a badge) is your idea of a worthy friend...... that's on your conscious


Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 03, 2017, 10:52:15 PM
Someone does more research than watching T.V.

Based.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 03, 2017, 10:53:11 PM
But your point doesn't stand if you can't link any of it to the Russians.

Which we have no evidence for.

1. The FBI and various US Intelligence officials confirmed Russian hacking/interference.
2. Trump believed it was the Russians.
3. Trump publicly stated his support for the hacking and encouraged Russia to do more.

Combine this with the long list of suspicious connections between the Trump campaign and Russia, Trump's suspiciously chummy attitude towards Putin, and more recent Republican interference with the Trump/Russia investigation.

My point was that this is a legitimate concern, and a legitimate cause for protest.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 03, 2017, 10:54:10 PM
Circumstantial and speculative at best.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 03, 2017, 11:02:45 PM
But your point doesn't stand if you can't link any of it to the Russians.

Which we have no evidence for.

1. The FBI and various US Intelligence officials same people who told us about the WMD's confirmed asked us to believe Russian hacking/interference.

They did indeed.

2. Trump believed it was the Russians.

Sorry, what?
http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-supports-julian-assanges-russian-hacking-claims-538424

3. Trump publicly stated his support for the hacking and encouraged Russia to do more.

Of course he did. I also support freedom of information. Hillary and Podesta said some disgusting things.

He also retweeted a Pepe. I'd like a citation for "asking Russia to do more".
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on May 03, 2017, 11:10:35 PM
There's MSM news articles*

Agreed.

MSM... alright.  Which news sources would you regard as trustworthy?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 03, 2017, 11:16:07 PM
There's MSM news articles*

Agreed.

MSM... alright.  Which news sources would you regard as trustworthy?

I just mean they told us what happened without providing their evidence. Even in that link provided there is only speculation.

I'd believe anyone who can show enough evidence to justify their position.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 03, 2017, 11:18:49 PM
Can you be more specific on your claim of "Russian interference?"

Sure. The Russians conducted a campaign to influence the election by spamming social media with fake news stories against Hillary and trolls that pushed these stories and promoted support for Trump. They also hacked a DNC email database and gave the emails to Wikileaks. Trump publicly supported the email hacking/leaks. Definitive collusion between Trump and Russia has not been proven yet.

No one of significance has claimed that the actual ballots were tampered with. Well... except for Trump himself. Another one of his baseless conspiracy theories.

MSM did exactly the same thing, just against Trump. There was plenty of fake news about both candidates going around except Trump had the fake news pushed by every single media outlet and social media platform. Any fakeness about Hillary was limited to social media platforms spread amongst mainly like minded people. I think trump drew the shorter straw here.

1. I don't think this is even close to being true, but I don't really feel like taking the time to debunk it, because...
2. Even if it is true (which I seriously doubt), it doesn't negate my original point. My point was that Trump's support of Russian interference was a valid point of protest.

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America certainly has its share in interfering in foreign countries elections.

No argument here. We have done our fair share of shady shenanigans.

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Why wouldn't foreign countries want to gear themselves toward a future leader they can work with? I personally cant see the problem with America and Russia having a warmer relationship myself. Would you rather revisit a cold war era? Who cares is Trump wants to be best buds with Vlad

You are completely missing the point.

1. Yes, of course we can expect Russia to act in its best interest using subterfuge. This isn't at all surprsing.
2. Yes, good relations with other countries are good.

The problem comes when your leader is being propped up by a foreign power. There is a good chance that that leader either doesn't have the best nation's best interest at heart, or can be easily manipulated by the foreign power that paved his way to power. There is concern that Russia has compromising material on Trump, or that Trump made an illegal deal with Russia. This has not been proven yet, but the fact that Trump publicly supported foreign interference with his political opponent is a huge cause for concern.

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I would call Saudi Arabia throwing tens of millions of dollars to the 'Clinton Foundation' some form of interference or collusion. The Saudi and other gulf states are among the most misogynistic, homophobic human rights abusers on the planet. They wanted Hillary as President and it was allowed for them to interfere simply because Hillary is "representing" the left. I put 'representing' in quotes because what Clinton says and what she does and who she supports is anything BUT the left of politics. On one hand she will advocate LGBTI rights, and on the other take money from governments who commit some of the worst human rights abuses on the planet. Does anyone seriously think Saudi Arabia donated the money out of the goodness of their heart? If Clinton became president, they would want a return on their investment. I think Russia makes a better, less dangerous and less strange bedfellow than Saudi, but hey, if Saudi (ISIS with a badge) is your idea of a worthy friend...... that's on your conscious

Guess how you know about those Saudi donations? She published a list of donors for transparency purposes. Guess who still hasn't done anything to alleviate conflict-of-interest concerns? Trump.

If Clinton were president, and there were suspicious connections between her and Saudi Arabia, I would be quite supportive of you calling her out for it. However, Clinton isn't the president, and complaining about her does nothing to alleviate concerns about Trump.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on May 03, 2017, 11:31:07 PM
There's MSM news articles*

Agreed.

MSM... alright.  Which news sources would you regard as trustworthy?

I just mean they told us what happened without providing their evidence. Even in that link provided there is only speculation.

I'd believe anyone who can show enough evidence to justify their position.

I'm seeing names, credits, links to sources, sworn testimony.  The reports are all roughly similar across other sources too.

Is this insufficient?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 03, 2017, 11:42:52 PM
Can you link me to a source?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on May 04, 2017, 12:04:39 AM
Can you link me to a source?

Still not 100% sure but let's try this one.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/blackwater-founder-held-secret-seychelles-meeting-to-establish-trump-putin-back-channel/2017/04/03/95908a08-1648-11e7-ada0-1489b735b3a3_story.html?utm_term=.3046fff04321

There's the reporters obviously.  The FBI.  It's a few anonymous sources but that's not necessarily a deal breaker.  A foia request would eventually bring out any shenangins on that.   The Crown prince of Abu Dhabi, Sheikh Mohammed bin Zayed al-Nahan.  Direct quotes.  This bit of proof is interesting, everything a public official as high up as Trump has nearly every public statement recorded.  So if a news story uses it then you can search for it and see if the news story just packed it into a different story.  If a story that quoted him is a story that quoted someone else then that's a good sign that it's not fake news.  If it doesn't match any public record of his statements then there could be fake news.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 04, 2017, 12:13:09 AM
Can you link me to a source?

Still not 100% sure but let's try this one.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/blackwater-founder-held-secret-seychelles-meeting-to-establish-trump-putin-back-channel/2017/04/03/95908a08-1648-11e7-ada0-1489b735b3a3_story.html?utm_term=.3046fff04321

There's the reporters obviously.  The FBI.  It's a few anonymous sources but that's not necessarily a deal breaker.  A foia request would eventually bring out any shenangins on that.   The Crown prince of Abu Dhabi, Sheikh Mohammed bin Zayed al-Nahan.  Direct quotes.  This bit of proof is interesting, everything a public official as high up as Trump has nearly every public statement recorded.  So if a news story uses it then you can search for it and see if the news story just packed it into a different story.  If a story that quoted him is a story that quoted someone else then that's a good sign that it's not fake news.  If it doesn't match any public record of his statements then there could be fake news.

Thanks man good post. Sorry if you think I'm a dick, I am but sometimes dicks f*ck assholes. ;D

I don't feel like Trump having a communication channel with Putin proves Putin rigged the election.

I'm not subscribed to WP couldn't read the article.

I've done my share of reading on it, my opinion atm is that it's too early to make up my mind either way.

I know every News station and outlet has told us the same thing, I don't consider this as strong evidence as most people do. I understand people will think I'm delusional for not believing my tv or the news, I'm ok with it.

The FBI won't let me see their files and evidence so I can't make an honest decision on it atm.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 04, 2017, 12:32:42 AM
But your point doesn't stand if you can't link any of it to the Russians.

Which we have no evidence for.

1. The FBI and various US Intelligence officials same people who told us about the WMD's confirmed asked us to believe Russian hacking/interference.

They did indeed.

I don't really feel like getting into the WMD topic right now. I know you automatically disbelieve anything any government agency says. That's beside the point though. The general public doesn't have the same level of distrust that you do, and there is no obvious reason for the Intelligence community to lie in this particular instance.

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2. Trump believed it was the Russians.

Sorry, what?
http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-supports-julian-assanges-russian-hacking-claims-538424

Transcript and video of his news conference on 1/11: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/11/us/politics/trump-press-conference-transcript.html?_r=0

"Q: do you accept their opinion that Vladimir Putin ordered the hack of the DNC and the attempted hack of the RNC?...
Trump: ...As far as hacking, I think it was Russia."

The question was awkwardly combined with a question about the Steele dossier, so you have to read it carefully.

I thought he had admitted it earlier than this, but I can't find anything earlier than this right now, so perhaps I was wrong. Sorry if my timeline was a bit off. He apparently hadn't yet admitted that Russia hacked the DNC when he made made his comments in support of the hacking before the election.

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3. Trump publicly stated his support for the hacking and encouraged Russia to do more.

Of course he did. I also support freedom of information. Hillary and Podesta said some disgusting things.

He also retweeted a Pepe. I'd like a citation for "asking Russia to do more".

I was referring to his request for Russia to "find the 30,000 emails that are missing". ()

Oh, and as for his statement in that video that he "has nothing to do with Putin, I've never spoken to him, I don't know anything about him"... (direct contradiction from 2014) (http://).
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on May 04, 2017, 12:34:09 AM
Can you link me to a source?

Still not 100% sure but let's try this one.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/blackwater-founder-held-secret-seychelles-meeting-to-establish-trump-putin-back-channel/2017/04/03/95908a08-1648-11e7-ada0-1489b735b3a3_story.html?utm_term=.3046fff04321

There's the reporters obviously.  The FBI.  It's a few anonymous sources but that's not necessarily a deal breaker.  A foia request would eventually bring out any shenangins on that.   The Crown prince of Abu Dhabi, Sheikh Mohammed bin Zayed al-Nahan.  Direct quotes.  This bit of proof is interesting, everything a public official as high up as Trump has nearly every public statement recorded.  So if a news story uses it then you can search for it and see if the news story just packed it into a different story.  If a story that quoted him is a story that quoted someone else then that's a good sign that it's not fake news.  If it doesn't match any public record of his statements then there could be fake news.

Thanks man good post. Sorry if you think I'm a dick, I am but sometimes dicks f*ck assholes. ;D

I don't feel like Trump having a communication channel with Putin proves Putin rigged the election.

I'm not subscribed to WP couldn't read the article.

I've done my share of reading on it, my opinion atm is that it's too early to make up my mind either way.

I know every News station and outlet has told us the same thing, I don't consider this as strong evidence as most people do. I understand people will think I'm delusional for not believing my tv or the news, I'm ok with it.

The FBI won't let me see their files and evidence so I can't make an honest decision on it atm.

No offense taken.  I was just trying to figure out your standard of reasonable trust in a source.  I've learned some new things in the process.

I agree we shouldn't jump to conclusions.  But there's enough here that I believe the full Bengazi treatment would be prudent.

You couldn't read it?  Crap, that's what I like to post the most since I have a subscription.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 04, 2017, 12:51:08 AM
You couldn't read it?  Crap, that's what I like to post the most since I have a subscription.

It's probably because he is in Australia. I can read it just fine without a subscription. Try using a VPN disputeone.

Also, here is a pretty great graphic of many of the Trump/Russia connections: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/trump-russia/?utm_term=.6ab4da4e7ab7

I've done my share of reading on it, my opinion atm is that it's too early to make up my mind either way.

I agree that there isn't enough to jump to a definitive conclusion of collusion. But there is plenty there to warrant a thorough investigation.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on May 04, 2017, 12:54:25 AM
I look at a news story the same way I look at an open source library. 

If I'm buying from a new vendor I need to build a little trust.  I'm going to carefully scrutinize what that library can do.  There's a lot that can be done to verify that a library is doing it's job.  The most thorough is to step through the entire thing and watch it's state.  As I get to know this vendor I'm going to relax my paranoia a little.  I'm not going to grill everything I buy down to the register level.  It would be a waste of my time.  This vendor might have a library with an issue occasionally.  So I'm open to the possibility that there's a flaw in there.  I work for a giant multinational company.  So I'm not someone a smart vendor would be dishonest with.

If my supervisors caught me stepping through every single line of code from a vendor they'd probably yell at me for wasting a lot of company time.

The MSM is kind of the same way.  I get to know their biases.  Then I can adjust for them.  Occasionally they botch something so I have to keep that in mind.  It would be nice to guarantee there were no mistakes in any news I've gotten but I'm certainly not going to contact every source for an article while filing foia requests to talk to the government officials.  Turning up something the media is saying that's dishonest that way would probably be less likely than winning the lottery.

Now it's my turn to offend you.  Do you put this level of scrutiny into every story you read?  Foia requests, calls to a senator and all?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 04, 2017, 01:00:37 AM
In case you can't read the NYTimes article either:

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QUESTION: First of all, did the heads of the intelligence agencies provide you with the two-page summary of these unsubstantiated allegations? And secondly to that, on the broader picture, do you accept their opinion that Vladimir Putin ordered the hack of the DNC and the attempted hack of the RNC?

And if you do, how will that color your attempts to build a relationship with a leader who has been accused of committing an act of espionage against the United States?

TRUMP: OK, first of all, these readings as you know are confidential, classified. So, I’m not allowed to talk about what went on in a meeting.

And — but we had many witnesses in that meeting, many of them with us. And I will say, again, I think it’s a disgrace that information would be let out.

I saw the information; I read the information outside of that meeting. It’s all fake news. It’s phony stuff. It didn’t happen. And it was gotten by opponents of ours, as you know, because you reported it and so did many of the other people. It was a group of opponents that got together — sick people — and they put that crap together.

So, I will tell you that not within the meeting, but outside of the meeting, somebody released it. It should have never been — number one, shouldn’t have even entered paper. But it should have never have been released. But I read what was released and I think it’s a disgrace. I think it’s an absolute disgrace.

As far as hacking, I think it was Russia. But I think we also get hacked by other countries and other people. And I — I can say that you know when — when we lost 22 million names and everything else that was hacked recently, they didn’t make a big deal out of that. That was something that was extraordinary. That was probably China.

We had — we had much hacking going on. And one of the things we’re gonna do, we have some of the greatest computer minds anywhere in the world that we’ve assembled. You saw just a sample of it two weeks ago up here where we had the six top people in the world — they were never in the same room together as a group. And we’re gonna put those minds together and we’re going to form a defense.

TRUMP: And I have to say this also, the Democratic National Committee was totally open to be hacked. They did a very poor job. They could’ve had hacking defense, which we had.

And I will give Reince Priebus credit, because when Reince saw what was happening in the world and with this country, he went out and went to various firms and ordered a very, very strong hacking defense.

And they tried to hack the Republican National Committee and they were unable to break through.

We have to do that for our country. It’s very important.

(CROSSTALK)

QUESTION: ... just to the last part of that question (inaudible) how could all of this potentially color your attempts to build a better relationship with President Putin?

TRUMP: Well, you know, President Putin and Russia put out a statement today that this fake news was indeed fake news. They said it totally never happened.

Now, somebody would say, “Oh, of course he’s gonna say that.”

I respected the fact that he said that.

And I — I’ll be honest, I think if he did have something, they would’ve released it; they would’ve been glad to release it.

I think, frankly, had they broken into the Republican National Committee, I think they would’ve released it just like they did about Hillary and all of the horrible things that her people, like Mr. Podesta, said about her. I mean what he said about her was horrible.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 04, 2017, 01:12:37 AM
But your point doesn't stand if you can't link any of it to the Russians.

Which we have no evidence for.

1. The FBI and various US Intelligence officials same people who told us about the WMD's confirmed asked us to believe Russian hacking/interference.

They did indeed.

I don't really feel like getting into the WMD topic right now. I know you automatically disbelieve anything any government agency says. That's beside the point though. The general public doesn't have the same level of distrust that you do, and there is no obvious reason for the Intelligence community to lie in this particular instance.

Automatically question ==/== automatically disbelieve.

I am well aware the general public has great trust in the MSM narrative, very well aware.

It's not to say I have to swallow the pills they're trying to force down our throats.

According to the MSM Russia's "hacking" is a fact, when at best it's educated speculation, The line between actual facts and the official narrative is getting irreversibly blurred imo.

Which concerns me.

In case you can't read the NYTimes article either:

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QUESTION: First of all, did the heads of the intelligence agencies provide you with the two-page summary of these unsubstantiated allegations? And secondly to that, on the broader picture, do you accept their opinion that Vladimir Putin ordered the hack of the DNC and the attempted hack of the RNC?

Bolding for emphasis, if they had a smoking gun I'd hope we could see it.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 04, 2017, 01:29:05 AM
All this dickering about whether the Intelligence Community is trustworthy aside... I just want to reiterate my original point:

The numerous suspicious connections between Trump and Russia, including the alleged Russian interference in the election for the benefit of Trump are cause for concern, and is one of the many reasons that people are protesting. Keep in mind that the Russia connections were only a small part of that list of reasons.

Shifter's complaints that people are protesting without cause are completely off base.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 04, 2017, 03:55:48 AM
I've done my share of reading on it, my opinion atm is that it's too early to make up my mind either way.

I agree that there isn't enough to jump to a definitive conclusion of collusion. But there is plenty there to warrant a thorough investigation.

100% agreed. How could you think I wouldn't support an open and honest investigation into it?

All this dickering about whether the Intelligence Community is trustworthy aside... I just want to reiterate my original point:

The numerous suspicious connections between Trump and Russia, including the alleged Russian interference in the election for the benefit of Trump are cause for concern, and is one of the many reasons that people are protesting. Keep in mind that the Russia connections were only a small part of that list of reasons.

That's fair.

Shifter's complaints that people are protesting without cause are completely off base.

There were some people protesting for the sake of protesting however.

Also all those people dressed as vaginas was a little much for my tastes but hey.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on May 04, 2017, 09:03:19 AM
Trumpcare 2.0

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/04/us/politics/what-to-watch-for-nail-biter-on-repealing-health-law.html

Problem:  The bill leaves about 22 million people without insurance while giving massive tax cuts to the rich according to every analyst.

Solution: Vote on it again before anybody, including the CBO or even congress, has had a chance to read it.

win/win.  Unless you're not a billionaire. 
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 04, 2017, 12:32:53 PM
He just made Paul Ryan pee his pants a little bit.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on May 04, 2017, 12:33:31 PM
Yep.  It's a glorious day to be a billionaire.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 04, 2017, 12:58:59 PM
And it passed. Seriously, wtf is wrong with these people?

Edit:
From the CBO analysis of the original AHCA (sense they didn't bother waiting for an analysis of the new version):

Federal deficit would be reduced by $337 billion over the next 10 years.
Number of uninsured would increase by 24 million over the next 10 years. (for context, that's the population of Australia)

$337 billion / 24 million = $14,000 per person.

Now we know how much a person's life is worth to the Republicans who passed this bill.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on May 04, 2017, 01:08:00 PM
We'll have to see how this plays out in the senate.  It's a much tougher sell there.  If there's a silver lining it's that this may come back to haunt house republicans in 2018.  But for now we're going to have to put up with Trump and Ryan partying down with a sumptuous banquet of Trump brand steaks and wine.

And just to add insult to injury, it's a great day for the American Taliban also.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/05/04/trump-s-religious-liberty-executive-order-is-a-triumph-of-fake-news
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 04, 2017, 03:41:30 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_AsaGhUAAAJsTQ.jpg)
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 04, 2017, 04:17:36 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_AsaGhUAAAJsTQ.jpg)

Pretty accurate summary of our foreign policy for the last 15 years.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 04, 2017, 05:16:28 PM
Now it's my turn to offend you.  Do you put this level of scrutiny into every story you read?  Foia requests, calls to a senator and all?

That's not offensive lol.

Of course. Not stories that I don't believe are important or worth checking.

I've been rejected from quite a few FOIA applications. Three in the last month actually.

It's probably part of my radical political ideologies, I wholeheartedly believe the people should be given all the information the goverment is privy to.

Quote from: JFK
The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it is in my control. And no official of my Administration, whether his rank is high or low, civilian or military, should interpret my words here tonight as an excuse to censor the news, to stifle dissent, to cover up our mistakes or to withhold from the press and the public the facts they deserve to know.

But I do ask every publisher, every editor, and every newsman in the nation to reexamine his own standards, and to recognize the nature of our country's peril. In time of war, the government and the press have customarily joined in an effort based largely on self-discipline, to prevent unauthorized disclosures to the enemy. In time of "clear and present danger," the courts have held that even the privileged rights of the First Amendment must yield to the public's need for national security.

Today no war has been declared--and however fierce the struggle may be, it may never be declared in the traditional fashion. Our way of life is under attack. Those who make themselves our enemy are advancing around the globe. The survival of our friends is in danger. And yet no war has been declared, no borders have been crossed by marching troops, no missiles have been fired.

Also just to further clarify my opinion on the MSM.

Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on May 06, 2017, 10:58:03 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_AsaGhUAAAJsTQ.jpg)

What do you think the chances are that Trump doesn't know that this bill also has to pass the Senate before it becomes law?

I'm picturing a party where Trump is high fiving everyone. While Paul Ryan keeps shooshing everyone that tries to tell Trump this has to pass the Senate next.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 06, 2017, 12:04:45 PM
I don't think he even cares. He just wanted to win something.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 06, 2017, 03:36:11 PM
I don't think he even cares. He just wanted to win something.

On the bright side, he does actually know that it still needs to pass the Senate. Proof at 4:28. (http://) I seriously doubt he actually knows what's in the bill though. Has anyone ever heard him say anything specific about the bill other than how great it is?

Watch that entire speech though. It's almost nauseating watching them pat each other on the back for this train wreck.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Twerp on May 06, 2017, 03:47:25 PM
It's a great bill. It's the best bill. He had the best people working on it. They're great! They really are. And the thing is we need good people like them. That is what was wrong with the previous administrations you know? People don't know it but this is actually a difficult problem to solve. He's here to fix all that and also fix immigration BTW. That's why we need a wall. So yeah, it's great bill. One of the best.

What more do ya need-ta know? ;D
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on May 06, 2017, 04:27:46 PM
I don't think he even cares. He just wanted to win something.

It's almost nauseating watching them pat each other on the back for this train wreck.

That's one way of describing it.  Personally I'm leaning towards "fucking disgusting".  I've got family that are going to be hurt by this if it goes through.  Family that voted for Trump. 

I think I can feel my brain trying to give itself dementia as a self defense mechanism.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 06, 2017, 04:31:45 PM
Careful, that is probably gonna be a pre-existing condition.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 07, 2017, 11:25:05 AM
Getting back to the original question of this thread... ladies, gents, and wood sprites, we finally have our answer:



May God have mercy on us all.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 07, 2017, 01:02:30 PM
http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/248/757/949.jpg
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 07, 2017, 04:35:33 PM
Bill Nye the anti science engineer.



Backflips under social pressure.

Edit. Too funny not to imbed

(https://s10.postimg.org/a67q4nws9/949.jpg)

Lol nice one SCG.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 07, 2017, 04:41:07 PM
I think maybe society is about to hit peak gendershit.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 07, 2017, 04:55:03 PM
Facts are bound by popular opinion these days.

XX
XY

Science shouldn't bow to the TV imo.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 07, 2017, 05:25:00 PM
Facts are bound by popular opinion these days.

XX
XY

Science shouldn't bow to the TV imo.

Let's not pretend like it's as simple as XX/XY though. Gender obviously has basis in biology, but so do the conditions of transgender people. We can tolerate/respect those with nontraditional genders/orientations while not actively promoting sexual deviance/irresponsibility or blinding ourselves to biological reality, like in the video.

Also, some basic artistic competency would help. My ears and my eyes... *whimper*
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 07, 2017, 05:36:21 PM
Opinion doesn't change facts imo.

It is as simple as XX and XY for gender.

Some people identify as females even though they are born male, let's not pretend they were always female.

That's just incorrect.

We can tolerate/respect those with nontraditional genders/orientations while not actively promoting sexual deviance/irresponsibility or blinding ourselves to biological reality, like in the video.

Tolerate doesn't mean we have to change science or change reality for them.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 07, 2017, 05:51:33 PM
People confuse gender roles and sex. Postmodernism has made this a difficult conversation to have.

Sex has a basis in biology. Gender is the idea that your personality, how you're supposed to be, is based on your sex. This weird gender trend has people thinking if you put on some eyeliner you have changed your sex.

 
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 07, 2017, 05:53:11 PM
People confuse gender roles and sex. Postmodernism has made this a difficult conversation to have.

Sex has a basis in biology. Gender is the idea that your personality, how you're supposed to be, is based on your sex. This weird gender trend has people thinking if you put on some eyeliner you have changed your sex.

I agree.

@ Totes, I know this is unpopular to say however.

It's like saying that aboriginals don't have lower IQ's than europeans. They unfortunately do, We can show this with science, especially genetics, agricultural society vs nomadic society etc. Not to say that in a few generations they couldn't close the gap.

However denying basic facts doesn't help anyone. It's not because we are racist that we rarely see full blood aboriginal scientists it's because of evolution and them not having nearly as large a gene pool as europeans. Which is starting to be balanced out as we speak.

Saying that, I know a few full blood aboriginals that have a much greater although different intelligence than I could achieve, their connection to the land is unparalleled.

tl:dr.

There are genetic differences in people.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/8688531/Billions-spent-on-Australias-Aborigines-yield-dismal-results.html
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 08, 2017, 01:05:07 AM
Opinion doesn't change facts imo.
...
Tolerate doesn't mean we have to change science or change reality for them.

When have I ever advocated anything of the sort?

It is as simple as XX and XY for gender.

First there's chromosomal disorders (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_chromosome_disorders), which by definition are not simply XX or XY. Then there are a host of other issues which can result in ambiguous or conflicting sex organs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex). We may not know the exact cause of all of these conditions, but proclaiming a simple XX/XY correlation with gender seems a bit callous. Then there are the cases of unambiguously biological males/females that identify as the opposite gender or sex, which is what I assume you are talking about specifically. As far as I know, our understanding of these conditions is a bit murkier. Some claim it is purely psychological, but a number of studies are turning up genetic correlations. For example, see these 3 studies by this group of researchers who were looking for correlations between specific genes and transsexualism:  correlation with FtM (http://www.jsm.jsexmed.org/article/S1743-6095(15)30695-0/fulltext), no correlation with MtF (http://www.jsm.jsexmed.org/article/S1743-6095(15)30649-4/fulltext), correlation with FtM (http://www.jsm.jsexmed.org/article/S1743-6095(15)31051-1/fulltext). There is certainly a lot we don't know, but it seems callous to dismiss these people with "it's all in your head".

People confuse gender roles and sex. Postmodernism has made this a difficult conversation to have.

Sex has a basis in biology. Gender is the idea that your personality, how you're supposed to be, is based on your sex. This weird gender trend has people thinking if you put on some eyeliner you have changed your sex.

I do agree that the general message of "anyone can be whatever gender and/or sex they want" is silly and possibly even harmful. Especially if targeted at children.

[stuff about aboriginals' IQ]

tl:dr.

There are genetic differences in people.

No argument here, but this seems completely unrelated to the topic at hand. I'm not sure what point you are trying to make.

Edit: clarity
Edit: This is definitely not an area that I am qualified to speak authoritatively in. So... grain of salt, etc.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 08, 2017, 01:16:07 AM
My point is that we can't change facts to suit PC culture.

There are two genders / sexes.

I'll grant that there is a spectrum of masculinity and femininity, however there are two genders.

For example I consider myself quite masculine however I can't watch the ending of up without crying ;D.



Gets me eveytime.

We do have masculine and feminine aspects, some are more masculine or more feminine but there are two biological genders.

XX and XY. I'm not talking about transvestites or any other mutation or deformity.

I especially agree with you about the kids, they say "kids experiment with gender" as a justification. When I was 5 I used to experiment with flying and shooting lightning out of my fingertips.

Still can't do either ;D.

Edit. I don't think it's all in their head, even if it is, it doesn't make it any less real to them.

I also wouldn't discrimiate against them.

Do what thou wilt, shall be the whole of the law. Love is the law, love under will.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Pezevenk on May 08, 2017, 01:26:46 AM
I don't think the ability to feel emotion is a "feminine" trade... And it definitely isn't just because of chromosomes.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 08, 2017, 01:33:58 AM
My point is that we can't change facts to suit PC culture.

There are two genders / sexes.

I'll grant that there is a spectrum of masculinity and femininity, however there are two genders.
...
XX and XY. I'm not talking about transvestites or any other mutation or deformity.

Um... sure. Except for the exceptions, there are only two genders. Brilliant.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 08, 2017, 01:37:43 AM
Even in the mutations there are only two genders. Some people are born with both sex organs or one and a half, it's a deformity.

Perhaps you could tell me another gender then. We have male female and ______
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 08, 2017, 01:57:03 AM
Even in the mutations there are only two genders. Some people are born with both sex organs or one and a half, it's a deformity.

Perhaps you could tell me another gender then. We have male female and ______

Anatomically, intersex. Classifying it as a deformity doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Identity-wise, transgender is generally the term for those who identify as the opposite of their anatomical gender. I guess it's up to you whether you want to consider them "another gender" or not.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 08, 2017, 02:24:31 AM
There's a massive physiological difference between those two examples.

Of course it exists, I never said it didn't. It does however back up my point, intersex is a mix of the two sexes. Male Female and Intersex.

I am not saying adults shouldn't be able to choose their own identity, not for a second. I am and always will be pro freedom.

However I don't like the idea of kids being told that there's 63 genders. (I googled it, I had no idea people are saying there was that many tbh)

This article is actually pretty based.

https://www.quora.com/Scientifically-how-many-sexes-genders-are-there

I don't think anyone can say honestly that 20+ "genders" is scientific.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Canadabear on May 08, 2017, 05:07:56 AM
...
However I don't like the idea of kids being told that there's 63 genders. (I googled it, I had no idea people are saying there was that many tbh)

This article is actually pretty based.

https://www.quora.com/Scientifically-how-many-sexes-genders-are-there

I don't think anyone can say honestly that 20+ "genders" is scientific.

simple question: why?
explain why we should not children tell what the state of scientific knowledge is?
when do you is it appropriate to tell children what the state of science is?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 08, 2017, 05:15:44 AM
Because it isn't scientific knowlege, if you missed the last few posts.

It isn't even close to science.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 08, 2017, 09:15:00 AM
Intersex is a physiological condition, it has nothing to do with being transgender. Dysphoria is a mental disorder that can sometimes be alleviated by transition, but there is no surefire cure. The people in a position to make money off transitioning people are pushing the narrative that it is the only way, that the alternative to transition is suicide. Also, you may be interested to know lots of these younger people who are being referred to gender clinics now are on the autism spectrum.   
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: FalseProphet on May 08, 2017, 10:04:27 AM
We have 3 genders here, male, female and everything that seems somehow in between (Islam and Christianity of course destroy this kind of thinking). The people in South Sulawesi are more precise, they distinguish 5 genders.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 08, 2017, 01:22:13 PM
I wonder how many of those extra genders are for females. It's usually gay males who get the extra gender in cultures that have more than two.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 08, 2017, 01:33:36 PM
There's a massive physiological difference between those two examples.

Brilliant deduction, Sherlock. I gave you two completely different answers because I wasn't sure what you specifically meant by "gender". I gave you an anatomical answer and an identity answer.

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Of course it exists, I never said it didn't. It does however back up my point, intersex is a mix of the two sexes. Male Female and Intersex.

Ok. My point was that the existence of intersex peoples makes it more complicated than your original "simple as XX and XY for gender" statement would suggest.

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I am not saying adults shouldn't be able to choose their own identity, not for a second. I am and always will be pro freedom.

However I don't like the idea of kids being told that there's 63 genders. (I googled it, I had no idea people are saying there was that many tbh)

I assume you are talking about this site: https://apath.org/63-genders ?

A) There is a big disclaimer on the top of the page that it is outdated and wrong.
B) It's just some random peson's ramblings on a variety of topics.
C) It's at least partially a joke.
D) They are considering each combination of biological sex, identity, and behavior as a separate gender.
E) I don't see anyone advocating teaching this specifically to kids.

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This article is actually pretty based.

https://www.quora.com/Scientifically-how-many-sexes-genders-are-there

I generally agree with that article. Seems spot on.

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I don't think anyone can say honestly that 20+ "genders" is scientific.

I don't think you understand what those people are talking about. When they say there are some [huge] number of genders, they are generally trying to categorize and label all the different possible combinations of biological sex, behiavor, and/or self identification. You can make those categories as specific or as broad as you want. Whether you want to classify all those categories as separate genders or not is really just a matter of terminology.

Yes, for most of us it really is as simple as male/female. But for those intersex persons, or those with gender dysphoria, it really isn't that simple.

Intersex is a physiological condition, it has nothing to do with being transgender.

I know. I answered it in two different ways because I wasn't sure what disputeone meant by "gender". He seemed to be using it more in the biological sense.

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Dysphoria is a mental disorder that can sometimes be alleviated by transition, but there is no surefire cure. The people in a position to make money off transitioning people are pushing the narrative that it is the only way, that the alternative to transition is suicide. Also, you may be interested to know lots of these younger people who are being referred to gender clinics now are on the autism spectrum.   

That's pretty scummy if it is true. Although, I suspect some of that correlation with autism has to do with the fact that many of those chromosomal disorders can also result in autism.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 08, 2017, 01:53:07 PM
General thoughts on whether it is appropriate to tell people that there are a wide variety of genders to choose from:

1. Conservatives generally seem to be concerned with how this will negatively affect the 99% of people who fall into the traditional male/female category.
2. Liberals generally seem to be concerned with reaching out to the 1% who are vulnerable.

These opposing perspectives of concern-for-the-nomal-majority vs concern-for-the-vulnerable-minority is a pattern for many conservative vs liberal debate topics.

When each side argues against the other, they tend to point to the most extremist representatives of the other side to rile up their supporters. That Bill Nye video just became a prime target of this. Surely there can be a reasonable balance between the two.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 08, 2017, 02:08:15 PM
If a man thinks he is a bunny, he has a mental disorder.
If a woman thinks she is jesus, she has a mental disorder.

If someone believes they are a member of the opposite sex, there is something going on in their brain.

There is no excuse to chastise them for their disorder.
But, society has no obligation to indulge their fantasy.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: The Real Celine Dion on May 08, 2017, 02:11:42 PM
I agree with Bullwinkle
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Twerp on May 08, 2017, 02:20:22 PM
I also.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: DuckDodgers on May 08, 2017, 02:22:50 PM
If a man thinks he is a bunny, he has a mental disorder.
If a woman thinks she is jesus, she has a mental disorder.

If someone believes they are a member of the opposite sex, there is something going on in their brain.

There is no excuse to chastise them for their disorder.
But, society has no obligation to indulge their fantasy.
Doesn't a mental disorder dictate there is something going on in the brain? Besides, dysphoria is labeled as a mental disorder.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 08, 2017, 02:47:14 PM
If a man thinks he is a bunny, he has a mental disorder.
If a woman thinks she is jesus, she has a mental disorder.

If someone believes they are a member of the opposite sex, there is something going on in their brain.

There is no excuse to chastise them for their disorder.
But, society has no obligation to indulge their fantasy.
Doesn't a mental disorder dictate there is something going on in the brain? Besides, dysphoria is labeled as a mental disorder.

Yes, it does, also, it is.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 08, 2017, 03:37:45 PM

Intersex is a physiological condition, it has nothing to do with being transgender.

I know. I answered it in two different ways because I wasn't sure what disputeone meant by "gender". He seemed to be using it more in the biological sense.

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Dysphoria is a mental disorder that can sometimes be alleviated by transition, but there is no surefire cure. The people in a position to make money off transitioning people are pushing the narrative that it is the only way, that the alternative to transition is suicide. Also, you may be interested to know lots of these younger people who are being referred to gender clinics now are on the autism spectrum.   

That's pretty scummy if it is true. Although, I suspect some of that correlation with autism has to do with the fact that many of those chromosomal disorders can also result in autism.

Transgender is not a chromosomal disorder. Notice that some of the most famous transwomen are the father of children. In most cases an intersex condition means the person is sterile. While there are some cases of an intersex person identifying as trans, they are not one and the same.  Intersex FAQ http://www.isna.org/faq/printable   Article on autism and transgender children http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/12/children-believe-transgender-could-have-autism-says-controversial/
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 08, 2017, 05:47:42 PM
If a man thinks he is a bunny, he has a mental disorder.
If a woman thinks she is jesus, she has a mental disorder.

If someone believes they are a member of the opposite sex, there is something going on in their brain.

There is no excuse to chastise them for their disorder.
But, society has no obligation to indulge their fantasy.
Doesn't a mental disorder dictate there is something going on in the brain? Besides, dysphoria is labeled as a mental disorder.


That is exactly what I said. 

I don't care how people choose to live their life.
Until they demand that I adapt to their vision of reality.

Fancy panties or thick leather. I don't care.

You should see the look on some faces when I tell them I haul fish out of the sea,
chop them into parts and eat them.

Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 08, 2017, 06:38:50 PM

Intersex is a physiological condition, it has nothing to do with being transgender.

I know. I answered it in two different ways because I wasn't sure what disputeone meant by "gender". He seemed to be using it more in the biological sense.

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Dysphoria is a mental disorder that can sometimes be alleviated by transition, but there is no surefire cure. The people in a position to make money off transitioning people are pushing the narrative that it is the only way, that the alternative to transition is suicide. Also, you may be interested to know lots of these younger people who are being referred to gender clinics now are on the autism spectrum.   

That's pretty scummy if it is true. Although, I suspect some of that correlation with autism has to do with the fact that many of those chromosomal disorders can also result in autism.

Transgender is not a chromosomal disorder. Notice that some of the most famous transwomen are the father of children. In most cases an intersex condition means the person is sterile. While there are some cases of an intersex person identifying as trans, they are not one and the same.  Intersex FAQ http://www.isna.org/faq/printable   Article on autism and transgender children http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/12/children-believe-transgender-could-have-autism-says-controversial/

I know there is a difference. My point is that there is a large overlap between intersex and transgender people. There is also a large overlap between intersex and autism. Hence, it is not surprising that there is also an overlap between autism and transgender. I don't know the exact numbers.

I do understand your point. I certainly don't doubt that autistic individuals are being misdiagnosed as transgender. Psychologists tend to be... how do I put this nicely... somewhat less than rigorous in their methodology quacks.

If someone believes they are a member of the opposite sex, there is something going on in their brain.

There is no excuse to chastise them for their disorder.
But, society has no obligation to indulge their fantasy.

My original point was that it is more complicated than disputeone's original statement of "simple as XX and XY for gender", for a small percentage of the population at least. How we treat/indulge them as a society is a whole 'nother can of worms. I won't pretend to have any good answers for that.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 08, 2017, 06:47:30 PM
Didn't you endorse calling MI people crazy and worthless?

Wait, you did.

What's changed Totes? :)

It's the TV, isn't it.

"Changed the channel and we changed our minds."
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 08, 2017, 06:54:55 PM

My original point was that it is more complicated than disputeone's original statement of "simple as XX and XY for gender", for a small percentage of the population at least. How we treat/indulge them as a society is a whole 'nother can of worms. I won't pretend to have any good answers for that.



I'm on the Asperger scale. You know how I deal with that?

I don't get in anyone's face and yell,
"I'M ASPERGER, (the worst name for a disorder ever,)
WORSHIP ME FOR MY ODDITY!!!"

Only qweers and ass holes feel the need to be worshiped for their malfunction.

I don't give a flying fuck what people do on their own time.

Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 08, 2017, 06:55:13 PM
Didn't you endorse calling MI people crazy and worthless?

Wait, you did.

What's changed Totes? :)

It's the TV, isn't it.

"Changed the channel and we changed our minds."

1. Who is "MI people"?
2. I defended the word "crazy" as a word that doesn't need to be banned. It has its uses. I'm not sure if that constitutes "endorsing" or not...
3. What on earth does that have to do with this conversation?

Edit: And I certainly didn't endorse calling anyone worthless. Please don't veer off into making up random crap.
Edit #2: I don't really feel like being drawn back into the poo slinging competition right now.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 08, 2017, 06:56:42 PM

My original point was that it is more complicated than disputeone's original statement of "simple as XX and XY for gender", for a small percentage of the population at least. How we treat/indulge them as a society is a whole 'nother can of worms. I won't pretend to have any good answers for that.

I'm on the Asperger scale. You know how I deal with that?

I don't get in anyone's face and yell,
"I'M ASPERGER, (the worst name for a disorder ever,)
WORSHIP ME FOR MY ODDITY!!!"

Only qweers and ass holes feel the need to be worshiped for their malfunction.

I don't give a flying fuck what people do on their own time.

Um... good for you? I also don't think queers and assholes deserve to be worshiped.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 08, 2017, 06:58:28 PM
Mentally I'll people. Shows how much you know.

It was total endorsement, it's fine. You told everyone it's alright to call MI people "crazy."

The fact that dysphoria can be described as a mental illness.

However the TV hasn't told us what to think about it yet.

Edit. As for your "worthless"comment.

Wtf do you think this means mate?

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in a state of mind which prevents normal perception, behaviour, or social interaction;
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: boydster on May 08, 2017, 07:07:53 PM
If a man thinks he is a bunny, he has a mental disorder.
If a woman thinks she is jesus, she has a mental disorder.

If someone believes they are a member of the opposite sex, there is something going on in their brain.

There is no excuse to chastise them for their disorder.
But, society has no obligation to indulge their fantasy.

I know I'm late to the party here and admittedly have a lot of catching up to do before I'm up to speed with everyone.

But I have to say I think there is something to this thing that you shared, Bullwinkle. All of it. There's a big difference between someone saying they feel a certain way and saying they are actually, in fact, something that is demonstrably false. Example - someone whose sperm fertilized an egg but expresses them self in a way considered "feminine" and stating they feel like a woman makes perfect sense to me. But that same person stating that they are actually a woman and everyone must now refer to him/her/whatever with the proper pronoun or be declared rude, inconsiderate, or bigoted does not make sense to me. Now let me be the first to say, that is an idealized example in terms of establishing clearly defined boundaries, but it's made to illustrate the point. Are there other examples that might be tougher to place in clear categories? Absolutely. But just because there are examples that might be difficult to categorize shouldn't mean that the categories just be tossed out the window.

That's not to say I deny that there can be a spectrum of sexuality or even gender. Clearly there is. But for someone to say that they feel a certain way and so everyone else around them must conform to that internal feeling while ignoring all evidence to the contrary seems wrong. Where do we draw the line?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 08, 2017, 07:14:05 PM
BOYDSTER !!!!!

I missed you so much.
Title: Re: Why do you support boydster.
Post by: disputeone on May 08, 2017, 07:14:46 PM
I know right.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on May 08, 2017, 07:19:45 PM
If a man thinks he is a bunny, he has a mental disorder.
If a woman thinks she is jesus, she has a mental disorder.

If someone believes they are a member of the opposite sex, there is something going on in their brain.

There is no excuse to chastise them for their disorder.
But, society has no obligation to indulge their fantasy.

I know I'm late to the party here and admittedly have a lot of catching up to do before I'm up to speed with everyone.

But I have to say I think there is something to this thing that you shared, Bullwinkle. All of it. There's a big difference between someone saying they feel a certain way and saying they are actually, in fact, something that is demonstrably false. Example - someone whose sperm fertilized an egg but expresses them self in a way considered "feminine" and stating they feel like a woman makes perfect sense to me. But that same person stating that they are actually a woman and everyone must now refer to him/her/whatever with the proper pronoun or be declared rude, inconsiderate, or bigoted does not make sense to me. Now let me be the first to say, that is an idealized example in terms of establishing clearly defined boundaries, but it's made to illustrate the point. Are there other examples that might be tougher to place in clear categories? Absolutely. But just because there are examples that might be difficult to categorize shouldn't mean that the categories just be tossed out the window.

That's not to say I deny that there can be a spectrum of sexuality or even gender. Clearly there is. But for someone to say that they feel a certain way and so everyone else around them must conform to that internal feeling while ignoring all evidence to the contrary seems wrong. Where do we draw the line?

Eeeeeeeeee!

Boydster!

Everybody shut the fuck up for a minute while I give boydster a non consensual man hug.

Shhhh. No words. Just emotions.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: boydster on May 08, 2017, 07:30:19 PM
Aw shucks...
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: FalseProphet on May 08, 2017, 08:16:45 PM
I wonder how many of those extra genders are for females. It's usually gay males who get the extra gender in cultures that have more than two.

In our case that's true, basir are commonly men who somehow behave like women. In the case of Sulawesi the three additional genders are gays, lesbians and transvestites. They must not be physical transvestites, it is enough, that they do not consider themselves as male or female. They are holy persons, they are the only ones who have the mind to embrace human existence in its totality. Most were slaughtered by the Muslim mobs when Suharto came to power in the 60s. That was a bad time in many respects, it annihilated all left wing political movements in Indonesia and anathematized the syncretistic way of thinking peculiar to Indonesian culture. Indonesia lost its soul in that time and it has never recovered.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: DuckDodgers on May 09, 2017, 06:06:38 AM
If a man is living his life as if he were actually a woman, just hasn't gone through the transition, is she not a woman? She introduces herself as a woman, she does the societal standards of feminine things (dressing like one, wearing make-up, longer hair, shaving body hair, etc.), and literally the only way to tell that she has a penis is to see her naked. I don't know about you, but a person who is living full time as the opposite sex is that sex in my eyes.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 09, 2017, 06:22:16 AM
You're entitled to that opinion.

I just don't like it when people try to say it's scientific.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 09, 2017, 09:19:25 AM
If a man is living his life as if he were actually a woman, just hasn't gone through the transition, is she not a woman? She introduces herself as a woman, she does the societal standards of feminine things (dressing like one, wearing make-up, longer hair, shaving body hair, etc.), and literally the only way to tell that she has a penis is to see her naked. I don't know about you, but a person who is living full time as the opposite sex is that sex in my eyes.

Most do not pass that easily. Also, it's perfectly fine if you see them as whatever sex they claim, if you call them by their preferred pronouns, etc.  This is a personal choice for you.  This is the polite choice. It's when they want legislation changed, or to be allowed to compete in female sports, or to be allowed to make the declaration of being a woman the only requirement for using female specific facilities that this becomes an issue.

Here we have a middle aged male taking weightlifting championships from females (and breaking records in female sports) http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11821399

Cycling http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/nov/22/transgender-cyclist-places-first-among-women-arizo/

MMA http://middleeasy.com/mma-news/here-s-the-fallon-fox-fight-that-left-tamikka-brents-with-a-concussion-broken-orbital-and-7-staples-in-her-head/

There are lots more examples of this in sports. There are lots of examples of people taking advantage of the trans umbrella to hang out in the bathrooms and changing rooms designated female. There are lots of examples of businesses (which have the right to do so) making the women's bathroom "all gender" but keeping the men's room for the men.

We have trans activists calling lesbians bigots for not being sexually attracted to transwomen - see Riley J. Dennis on "Everyday Feminism" for example.

Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 09, 2017, 09:43:17 AM
Sexual preference is a choice. Have at it. Enjoy.
Genetics is a given. Reality. Different thing.

I told the story a while back about two dudes in dresses in the wine isle at the market.
In my twenties I may have been freaked out.
Now in my 50's I don't care.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 09, 2017, 09:56:52 AM
I wonder how many of those extra genders are for females. It's usually gay males who get the extra gender in cultures that have more than two.

In our case that's true, basir are commonly men who somehow behave like women. In the case of Sulawesi the three additional genders are gays, lesbians and transvestites. They must not be physical transvestites, it is enough, that they do not consider themselves as male or female. They are holy persons, they are the only ones who have the mind to embrace human existence in its totality. Most were slaughtered by the Muslim mobs when Suharto came to power in the 60s. That was a bad time in many respects, it annihilated all left wing political movements in Indonesia and anathematized the syncretistic way of thinking peculiar to Indonesian culture. Indonesia lost its soul in that time and it has never recovered.

This is sad. I wish your country could get back what it has lost.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Canadabear on May 09, 2017, 10:09:07 AM
Sexual preference is a choice. Have at it. Enjoy.
Genetics is a given. Reality. Different thing.

I told the story a while back about two dudes in dresses in the wine isle at the market.
In my twenties I may have been freaked out.
Now in my 50's I don't care.

i am more "freaking out" on how kids nowadays wear their pants that low that you can see their shorts underneath it and find it cool.

but anyway, i don't think Sexual preference is not always choice.
There are a lot of cases where kid knew already very early that they are not boys even they had male genitalia.
it the same with the preference of with whom you like to have a sexual relation with.
it is not genetic but it is also not a choice somebody makes.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 09, 2017, 10:20:13 AM
Getting back to the original question of this thread... ladies, gents, and wood sprites, we finally have our answer:



May God have mercy on us all.

To tie this back in to why people voted for Trump, this article backs up your idea in a way https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/05/white-working-class-trump-cultural-anxiety/525771/?utm_source=twb

Quote
Controlling for other demographic variables, three factors stood out as strong independent predictors of how white working-class people would vote. The first was anxiety about cultural change. Sixty-eight percent of white working-class voters said the American way of life needs to be protected from foreign influence. And nearly half agreed with the statement, “things have changed so much that I often feel like a stranger in my own country.”

Watching that video would make some people feel like the US has lost its marbles  :P

Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: FalseProphet on May 09, 2017, 10:24:48 AM
I wonder how many of those extra genders are for females. It's usually gay males who get the extra gender in cultures that have more than two.

In our case that's true, basir are commonly men who somehow behave like women. In the case of Sulawesi the three additional genders are gays, lesbians and transvestites. They must not be physical transvestites, it is enough, that they do not consider themselves as male or female. They are holy persons, they are the only ones who have the mind to embrace human existence in its totality. Most were slaughtered by the Muslim mobs when Suharto came to power in the 60s. That was a bad time in many respects, it annihilated all left wing political movements in Indonesia and anathematized the syncretistic way of thinking peculiar to Indonesian culture. Indonesia lost its soul in that time and it has never recovered.

This is sad. I wish your country could get back what it has lost.

Indonesia is not my country, but thanks  :D
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 09, 2017, 10:25:11 AM
Sexual preference is a choice. Have at it. Enjoy.
Genetics is a given. Reality. Different thing.

I told the story a while back about two dudes in dresses in the wine isle at the market.
In my twenties I may have been freaked out.
Now in my 50's I don't care.

i am more "freaking out" on how kids nowadays wear their pants that low that you can see their shorts underneath it and find it cool.

but anyway, i don't think Sexual preference is not always choice.
There are a lot of cases where kid knew already very early that they are not boys even they had male genitalia.
it the same with the preference of with whom you like to have a sexual relation with.
it is not genetic but it is also not a choice somebody makes.


Understood. I meant sexual activity is a choice.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: DuckDodgers on May 09, 2017, 10:35:24 AM
If a man is living his life as if he were actually a woman, just hasn't gone through the transition, is she not a woman? She introduces herself as a woman, she does the societal standards of feminine things (dressing like one, wearing make-up, longer hair, shaving body hair, etc.), and literally the only way to tell that she has a penis is to see her naked. I don't know about you, but a person who is living full time as the opposite sex is that sex in my eyes.

Most do not pass that easily. Also, it's perfectly fine if you see them as whatever sex they claim, if you call them by their preferred pronouns, etc.  This is a personal choice for you.  This is the polite choice. It's when they want legislation changed, or to be allowed to compete in female sports, or to be allowed to make the declaration of being a woman the only requirement for using female specific facilities that this becomes an issue.

Here we have a middle aged male taking weightlifting championships from females (and breaking records in female sports) http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11821399

Cycling http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/nov/22/transgender-cyclist-places-first-among-women-arizo/

MMA http://middleeasy.com/mma-news/here-s-the-fallon-fox-fight-that-left-tamikka-brents-with-a-concussion-broken-orbital-and-7-staples-in-her-head/

There are lots more examples of this in sports. There are lots of examples of people taking advantage of the trans umbrella to hang out in the bathrooms and changing rooms designated female. There are lots of examples of businesses (which have the right to do so) making the women's bathroom "all gender" but keeping the men's room for the men.

We have trans activists calling lesbians bigots for not being sexually attracted to transwomen - see Riley J. Dennis on "Everyday Feminism" for example.


I don't disagree with any of what you said. I realize anything beyond just personal recognition of the existence of transgendered people is going to be very nuanced and have to walk a fine line to accommodate the real transgendered people while not enabling the fakers.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on May 09, 2017, 03:03:56 PM
WTF??  I'm not even sure what to make of this. 

This is why I have to keep following the Trump Show!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/comey-misstated-key-clinton-email-evidence-at-hearing-say-people-close-to-investigation/2017/05/09/074c1c7e-34bd-11e7-b373-418f6849a004_story.html?utm_term=.6bcbc5d58add

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Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 09, 2017, 03:24:13 PM
WTF??  I'm not even sure what to make of this. 

This is why I have to keep following the Trump Show!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/comey-misstated-key-clinton-email-evidence-at-hearing-say-people-close-to-investigation/2017/05/09/074c1c7e-34bd-11e7-b373-418f6849a004_story.html?utm_term=.6bcbc5d58add

Wow. They fired Comey. Trump just fired the guy leading the investigation against him. This is big.

They used his handling of the Clinton email investigation as an excuse. Lol. Suuuuure, buddy.

Edit: Just yesterday Lindsey Graham announced he wants to look into Trump's business ties with Russia after the Yates/Clapper Senate hearing. (finally)
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on May 09, 2017, 03:28:32 PM
Saturday Night Massacre? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_Night_Massacre)
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 09, 2017, 03:34:07 PM
Saturday Night Massacre? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_Night_Massacre)

Ding ding ding.

This also happened today: Senate Russia investigators have sent a request to the Treasury Department's criminal investigation division for any information related to President Donald Trump (http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/09/politics/senate-russia-investigation-donald-trump/index.html).

Edit: Spicer seems to be playing this pretty cool and cocky, and there hasn't been a Trump Twitter rampage yet, so maybe they know this is the wrong tree to bark up. Well, at least the Senate appears to be doing something, which is a step up from before.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 09, 2017, 03:42:20 PM
I wonder how many of those extra genders are for females. It's usually gay males who get the extra gender in cultures that have more than two.

In our case that's true, basir are commonly men who somehow behave like women. In the case of Sulawesi the three additional genders are gays, lesbians and transvestites. They must not be physical transvestites, it is enough, that they do not consider themselves as male or female. They are holy persons, they are the only ones who have the mind to embrace human existence in its totality. Most were slaughtered by the Muslim mobs when Suharto came to power in the 60s. That was a bad time in many respects, it annihilated all left wing political movements in Indonesia and anathematized the syncretistic way of thinking peculiar to Indonesian culture. Indonesia lost its soul in that time and it has never recovered.

This is sad. I wish your country could get back what it has lost.

Indonesia is not my country, but thanks  :D

For some reason I thought Indonesia was the name for a bigger region that Malaysia was part of  :P
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on May 09, 2017, 03:42:44 PM
That.

Trumpcare 2.0

Yates.



Eric Trump.



Wow this is a lot.  This feels like the season finale of the Trump Show.  Hopefully we'll get time before the next season starts up to parse all of this.

Bigly ratings!
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: FalseProphet on May 09, 2017, 04:10:25 PM
I wonder how many of those extra genders are for females. It's usually gay males who get the extra gender in cultures that have more than two.

In our case that's true, basir are commonly men who somehow behave like women. In the case of Sulawesi the three additional genders are gays, lesbians and transvestites. They must not be physical transvestites, it is enough, that they do not consider themselves as male or female. They are holy persons, they are the only ones who have the mind to embrace human existence in its totality. Most were slaughtered by the Muslim mobs when Suharto came to power in the 60s. That was a bad time in many respects, it annihilated all left wing political movements in Indonesia and anathematized the syncretistic way of thinking peculiar to Indonesian culture. Indonesia lost its soul in that time and it has never recovered.

This is sad. I wish your country could get back what it has lost.

Indonesia is not my country, but thanks  :D

For some reason I thought Indonesia was the name for a bigger region that Malaysia was part of  :P

That's true somehow, in a cultural sense. The official languages of both countries are essentially the same. But politically they are seperate.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 09, 2017, 04:27:13 PM
I just read where the governor of Indonesia has been sentenced to 2 years in prison for blasphemy  >:(
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 09, 2017, 04:37:13 PM
I hope you guys can avoid a civil war over silly political differences.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on May 09, 2017, 04:41:33 PM
I doubt we'll have a civil war but this goes beyond political differences. It looks like someone is committing treason.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 09, 2017, 04:44:19 PM
I doubt it too, I just hope things work out ok.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 09, 2017, 05:13:31 PM
I don't disagree with any of what you said. I realize anything beyond just personal recognition of the existence of transgendered people is going to be very nuanced and have to walk a fine line to accommodate the real transgendered people while not enabling the fakers.

I hope my reply did not come off as harsh. I didn't mean for it to.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 09, 2017, 06:39:33 PM
I doubt we'll have a civil war but this goes beyond political differences. It looks like someone is committing treason.

I didn't think it would come to violence either, but I also didn't think Trump would fire Comey. The more legitimate checks on Trump's power get compromised, the more likely people will resort to illegitimate checks on his power. Dangerous waters.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 09, 2017, 07:28:32 PM
The press release, Trump's termination letter to Comey, and the recommendations from Sessions and Deputy AG Rosenstein to Trump to fire Comey:

http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/documents/politics/fbi-director-james-b-comeys-termination-letters-from-the-white-house-attorney-general/2430/

Rosenstein makes a well reasoned and intelligent argument against Comey based on his handling of the email investigation. Then Sessions and Trump come along and sabotage it. Lol @ Trump's letter:

Quote
While I greatly appreciate you informing me, on three separate occasions, that I am not under investigation, I nevertheless concur with the judgment of the Department of Justice that you are not able to effectively lead the Bureau.

He just can't help but shoot himself in the foot...
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 09, 2017, 07:40:11 PM
I doubt it too, I just hope things work out ok.

It always does.

Americans have a remarkable ability to ignore reality.   ;)
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: DuckDodgers on May 09, 2017, 08:49:48 PM
I don't disagree with any of what you said. I realize anything beyond just personal recognition of the existence of transgendered people is going to be very nuanced and have to walk a fine line to accommodate the real transgendered people while not enabling the fakers.

I hope my reply did not come off as harsh. I didn't mean for it to.
Not too harsh at all.

The press release, Trump's termination letter to Comey, and the recommendations from Sessions and Deputy AG Rosenstein to Trump to fire Comey:

http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/documents/politics/fbi-director-james-b-comeys-termination-letters-from-the-white-house-attorney-general/2430/

Rosenstein makes a well reasoned and intelligent argument against Comey based on his handling of the email investigation. Then Sessions and Trump come along and sabotage it. Lol @ Trump's letter:

Quote
While I greatly appreciate you informing me, on three separate occasions, that I am not under investigation, I nevertheless concur with the judgment of the Department of Justice that you are not able to effectively lead the Bureau.

He just can't help but shoot himself in the foot...

Didn't AG Lynch publicly announce she was deferring the decision to prosecute or not to the FBI? I'm pretty sure they have just been itching for an excuse to get rid of him so they can get a pro-Trump guy in there to make this pesky investigation go away.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 09, 2017, 09:41:26 PM

Didn't AG Lynch publicly announce she was deferring the decision to prosecute or not to the FBI?



Funny happenstance. FBI is nothing but an investigatory body. No prosecutorial power whatsoever.

FBI assembles evidence and turns it over to the AG. AG then determines to prosecute or not.
Clearly defined roles.

AG Lynch intentionally compromised herself for political reasons.
Then she magnanimously refused to do her job.

Comey should have fallen on his sword when he still had some integrity.

Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 09, 2017, 10:24:10 PM
I don't disagree with any of what you said. I realize anything beyond just personal recognition of the existence of transgendered people is going to be very nuanced and have to walk a fine line to accommodate the real transgendered people while not enabling the fakers.

I hope my reply did not come off as harsh. I didn't mean for it to.
Not too harsh at all.

The press release, Trump's termination letter to Comey, and the recommendations from Sessions and Deputy AG Rosenstein to Trump to fire Comey:

http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/documents/politics/fbi-director-james-b-comeys-termination-letters-from-the-white-house-attorney-general/2430/

Rosenstein makes a well reasoned and intelligent argument against Comey based on his handling of the email investigation. Then Sessions and Trump come along and sabotage it. Lol @ Trump's letter:

Quote
While I greatly appreciate you informing me, on three separate occasions, that I am not under investigation, I nevertheless concur with the judgment of the Department of Justice that you are not able to effectively lead the Bureau.

He just can't help but shoot himself in the foot...

Didn't AG Lynch publicly announce she was deferring the decision to prosecute or not to the FBI? I'm pretty sure they have just been itching for an excuse to get rid of him so they can get a pro-Trump guy in there to make this pesky investigation go away.

Yes, she did. It looks like nothing more than an excuse to fire him.

To clarify my remarks, it looks intelligent and well reasoned, which is surprising for anything coming from this administration. (See Trump's letter. Lol.)

Didn't AG Lynch publicly announce she was deferring the decision to prosecute or not to the FBI?

Funny happenstance. FBI is nothing but an investigatory body. No prosecutorial power whatsoever.

...

I think you are missing the point.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 09, 2017, 10:29:25 PM

Didn't AG Lynch publicly announce she was deferring the decision to prosecute or not to the FBI?



Funny happenstance. FBI is nothing but an investigatory body. No prosecutorial power whatsoever.

FBI assembles evidence and turns it over to the AG. AG then determines to prosecute or not.
Clearly defined roles.

AG Lynch intentionally compromised herself for political reasons.
Then she magnanimously refused to do her job.

Comey should have fallen on his sword when he still had some integrity.

Based.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 09, 2017, 10:51:16 PM
Didn't AG Lynch publicly announce she was deferring the decision to prosecute or not to the FBI?

Funny happenstance. FBI is nothing but an investigatory body. No prosecutorial power whatsoever.

FBI assembles evidence and turns it over to the AG. AG then determines to prosecute or not.
Clearly defined roles.

AG Lynch intentionally compromised herself for political reasons.
Then she magnanimously refused to do her job.

Comey should have fallen on his sword when he still had some integrity.

Based.

Not that anyone will believe me, but I totally predicted this. I was just thinking "I bet disputeone will reply to this comment with 'based'". I should PM someone with my predictions next time.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 09, 2017, 11:13:04 PM

I think you are missing the point.



Please elucidate.

Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 09, 2017, 11:33:20 PM
Not that anyone will believe me, but I totally predicted this. I was just thinking "I bet disputeone will reply to this comment with 'based'". I should PM someone with my predictions next time.

Neat.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on May 09, 2017, 11:33:52 PM

Didn't AG Lynch publicly announce she was deferring the decision to prosecute or not to the FBI?



Funny happenstance. FBI is nothing but an investigatory body. No prosecutorial power whatsoever.

FBI assembles evidence and turns it over to the AG. AG then determines to prosecute or not.
Clearly defined roles.

AG Lynch intentionally compromised herself for political reasons.
Then she magnanimously refused to do her job.

Comey should have fallen on his sword when he still had some integrity.

Based.

It's more complicated than that.  By my reckoning at least.  A brief timeline of the election without looking up the exact dates.

Primary season starts.

Shortly thereafter Comey announces an investigation into Clinton.

Several months pass.

Trump emerges as the Republican front runner.

Clinton pulls sharply ahead of Sanders, all the while the DNC has their thumb on the scales.  Whether or not it was necessary is unclear to me.  Interestingly Sanders has a much larger lead in the polls over Trump than Clinton does.

A week or so before the election Comey is like "Surprise bitch!  You're being investigated again!".

Clinton's thin lead on Trump turns into a deficit.

A few days before the election Comey is like "Psyche!  You're okay.  I'm just punking you."(Comey's exact wording may differ from mine).

Trump wins.

A few months of Russia stuff.

Comey announces he's investigation Trump.

Fast forward to today Trump fires Comey over... exaggerating the exact amount of leaked emails?

So what I've wondered is who does Comey work for? 

Is it the American people?  Well it's obvious you want to get an investigation like this out of the way as fast as possible.  If Clinton is a criminal then she needs to step aside.  If she's innocent then we don't want baseless accusations skewing the election.  Comey took the exact wrong amount of time to achieve this. 

Does he work for Clinton?  Probably not with that October surprise.

Does he work for Trump?  If so then why did Trump just fire him?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 09, 2017, 11:38:17 PM
It's very complicated I agree.

This might help.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Based

Quote
Based
Is when you dont care what people think
its a way of life
Doing what you want
how u want
wearing what u want

Well it's obvious you want to get an investigation like this out of the way as fast as possible.  If Clinton is a criminal then she needs to step aside.  If she's innocent then we don't want baseless accusations skewing the election.

I completely agree.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on May 09, 2017, 11:54:29 PM
Ohhh.

I've never actually heard the term before.  I thought it was synonymous with "you got served".
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Twerp on May 10, 2017, 12:02:25 AM
Didn't AG Lynch publicly announce she was deferring the decision to prosecute or not to the FBI?

Funny happenstance. FBI is nothing but an investigatory body. No prosecutorial power whatsoever.

FBI assembles evidence and turns it over to the AG. AG then determines to prosecute or not.
Clearly defined roles.

AG Lynch intentionally compromised herself for political reasons.
Then she magnanimously refused to do her job.

Comey should have fallen on his sword when he still had some integrity.

Based.

Not that anyone will believe me, but I totally predicted this. I was just thinking "I bet disputeone will reply to this comment with 'based'". I should PM someone with my predictions next time.

If you can't remember you must have been sleep posting. Here is incontrovertible proof:

I bet ya Disputeone responds to this post (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=67313.msg1908276#msg1908276) with "Based". He's kind of predictable that way.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 10, 2017, 12:40:19 AM
I think you are missing the point.

Please elucidate.

Sure. In Rosenstein's memo, he lays out his reasons for recommending Comey's termination:

1. "The Director was wrong to usurp the Attorney General's authority on July 5, 2016, and announce his conclusion that the case should be closed without prosecution."

Your comment was along these lines as well. However, Rosenstein does not make a strong argument that Comey actually "usurped" the AG's authority. The AG did not recuse herself, but she had already publicly stated she would abide by the FBI's recommendation. The FBI making such a recommendation is not a usurpation of power. It is standard procedure. The real argument is the public way in which he made that recommendation. Which brings us to (2)...

2. "Compounding the error, the Director ignored another longstanding principle: we do not hold press conferences to release derogatory information about the subject of a declined criminal investigation."

This is the real complaint that people have against him. Should he have shared his conclusions publicly? He defends his decision in a letter in October and in a hearing in March. It is interesting, you should watch it. I certainly can appreciate the difficult position he was in, and I understand the unique set of circumstances that led to his decision. The timing of his later announcements were certainly annoying to the Hillary campaign, but it's hard to know what else he should have done. If he had held on to the information, and Hillary had won, there would currently be a head hunt for him, and Hillary would be dellegitimized in the eyes of Republicans. This was the outcome I suspect he was trying to avoid. Like most of us, he probably didn't anticipate Trump winning the election. So he opted for transparency, not realizing that it would tip the scales. But I digress...


This is why I said arguing that the FBI doesn't have prosecutorial power is missing the point. The timing and public way in which he made his recommendation against prosecution is the real issue.

But the real real issue is that Trump just fired the FBI Director while the FBI is investigating collusion between Russia and his campaign. I don't care what lame-ass excuse you come up with. That is suspicious as hell. Since when does Trump care about the minutia of FBI public relations policy??
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 10, 2017, 12:49:22 AM
If you can't remember you must have been sleep posting. Here is incontrovertible proof:

I bet ya Disputeone responds to this post (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=67313.msg1908276#msg1908276) with "Based". He's kind of predictable that way.

Oh thanks. I knew I left that somewhere...

Ohhh.

I've never actually heard the term before.  I thought it was synonymous with "you got served".

It's basically this decade's version of #yoloswag. I don't think it has an actual meaning.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 10, 2017, 01:05:51 AM

So what I've wondered is who does Comey work for? 



Himself.
He is too important to follow the rules.
An unelected self aggrandizing Dudley Do-Right.

Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: DuckDodgers on May 10, 2017, 07:08:59 AM
Wouldn't the real problem child be AG Lynch in this case?  It sounds like the FBI makes recommendations to the AG's for prosecution quite frequently.  It's just that this time the AG's office only used the recommendation to decide to not prosecute instead of making the decision themselves.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on May 10, 2017, 07:56:47 AM
Wouldn't the real problem child be AG Lynch in this case?  It sounds like the FBI makes recommendations to the AG's for prosecution quite frequently.  It's just that this time the AG's office only used the recommendation to decide to not prosecute instead of making the decision themselves.

Normally yes.  This was an exception.  There was an incident where Bill Clinton "coincidentally" was at the same airport and decided he wanted to talk to her about their grand kids soccer games.  So he did what any chatty grandfather would do and ran across the tarmac to her plane and asked everyone to leave so that he could discuss kids soccer and nothing more with the AG.

Some people found that a little suspicious.  So she sort of recused herself from that part of the process.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: DuckDodgers on May 10, 2017, 09:49:54 AM
Wouldn't the real problem child be AG Lynch in this case?  It sounds like the FBI makes recommendations to the AG's for prosecution quite frequently.  It's just that this time the AG's office only used the recommendation to decide to not prosecute instead of making the decision themselves.

Normally yes.  This was an exception.  There was an incident where Bill Clinton "coincidentally" was at the same airport and decided he wanted to talk to her about their grand kids soccer games.  So he did what any chatty grandfather would do and ran across the tarmac to her plane and asked everyone to leave so that he could discuss kids soccer and nothing more with the AG.

Some people found that a little suspicious.  So she sort of recused herself from that part of the process.
I'm fully aware of what led to her recusal. But it seems like her office dropped the ball in not allowing a deputy AG to make the call on prosecution, not Comey.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 11, 2017, 09:18:50 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_gvGFgVwAARW0u.jpg)

lol
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Canadabear on May 11, 2017, 12:34:28 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_gvGFgVwAARW0u.jpg)

lol

Thats cute: he and his staff huddled, only to avoid to talk to the press about what Trump again did.

i also heard also that Trump was angry about that

i would not be surprised if he will fire Spicer for that, and Spicer would also be happy about that. he than do not have to explain Trumps silly stuff.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: DuckDodgers on May 11, 2017, 01:24:46 PM
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/10/who-will-replace-james-comey-list-238201

There is quite a bit of speculation on who the new FBI director will be. This particular article lists out 11 people it could possibly be, quite a few of which I've not really heard of. Most notably, it includes potential political appointments such as Mike Rogers (former Michigan congressman and short-lived Trump transition team member), Trey Gowdy (congressman leading the Benghazi investigation), Rudy Giuliani (BFF with Trump), and Chris Christie (NJ governor and notable Trump supporter).

If Trump goes with any of the above people for the FBI director, regardless of their qualifications that mean they are capable, I think he will be making the FBI into a purely partisan agency, where it has never been such. It will inevitably do more damage to the agency's credibility than Comey could have ever done .
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Canadabear on May 11, 2017, 01:42:51 PM
i am sure he will put one of his people on that position and than the whole investigation will end up as his tax return: nothing will be released.

Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on May 11, 2017, 01:43:09 PM
I'm guessing Ivanka Trump?

We're in a scary place right now.  Fortunately things are very noisy.  Between this and Trumpcare 2.0 people are furious and they're taking it out on the Republicans in congress.  If they feel like it's enough to cost them their majority then they might turn on Trump.  After this Comey move impeachment is seeming more likely. 
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 11, 2017, 02:28:26 PM
http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2017/05/11/fbi-investigation-annapolis/

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BALTIMORE (WJZ) — The FBI quietly raided a Republican consulting and fundraising firm in Annapolis Thursday.

The FBI says this is part of a Washington D.C. field office investigation.

Agents have turned off elevator access to the third floor of 191 Main Street, where Strategic Campaign Group is housed, and used trash bags to cover the office windows while they gather evidence.

They came prepared with a warrant to search the office and take files.

WJZ cameras watched them come out of the building with full garbage bags.

The president of the firm tells our media partners at The Baltimore Sun that the federal investigation ties back to a 2013 Virginia gubernatorial campaign.

The company’s work on the campaign of Republican Ken Cuccinelli led to a lawsuit after he lost the election to Terry McAuliffe.

All the feds will say is that this is an active and ongoing investigation.

The Maryland Republican Party confirms it’s looking into the raid.

This story will be updated as more information becomes available.

I wonder if the Republicans are getting a bit worried now.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 11, 2017, 02:34:41 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/862767872879325185

 Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 1h1 hour ago

Russia must be laughing up their sleeves watching as the U.S. tears itself apart over a Democrat EXCUSE for losing the election.


Trump has been rage tweeting a lot over the past 24 hours.
Title: Re: Why do you think politics are stupid.
Post by: disputeone on May 11, 2017, 03:58:29 PM
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 11, 2017, 05:00:07 PM
 Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 4h4 hours ago

'Presidential Executive Order on the Establishment of Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity'

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_kdSWNXoAMZAUV.jpg)

He's still whining about the election.
Title: Re: Why do you think politics are stupid.
Post by: disputeone on May 11, 2017, 05:19:34 PM
I wish everyone would stop whining and focus on making things better.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 11, 2017, 05:25:04 PM
Investigating his ties to Russia are part of making things better, imo.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Shifter on May 11, 2017, 05:31:58 PM
If this were Hillary, would we be investigating her ties to Saudi Arabia? Or any other foreign power she owes favours to?

Sounds like he's signing this thing to appease the whiney democrats still sore from losing the election.

What is so wrong with Russia anyway?

Socialists always want a 'world without borders'. Russia tries to eliminate a few and everyone loses their shit.  ::)
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on May 11, 2017, 05:41:23 PM
If this were Hillary, would we be investigating her ties to Saudi Arabia? Or any other foreign power she owes favours to?

Sounds like he's signing this thing to appease the whiney democrats still sore from losing the election.

What is so wrong with Russia anyway?

Socialists always want a 'world without borders'. Russia tries to eliminate a few and everyone loses their shit.  ::)

Actually the opposite is true. Trump thinks he should have won the popular vote as well. This is what he's trying to investigate. To head this investigation up he's selected a proponent of strong identification for voters. Such voter ID laws suppress democratic turnout.

So his motivations here are to indulge his own fantasies and Republican leadership is happy to go along with it as it gives them an advantage in elections. This is possibly also an attempt to distract from the unfolding constitutional crisis that he began by firing the head of the Russian investigation.
Title: Re: Why do you think politics are stupid.
Post by: disputeone on May 11, 2017, 05:58:25 PM
Investigating his ties to Russia are part of making things better, imo.

I agree but blaming them for an election result that people don't like I don't agree with.

It just seems to me this is a reaction of things not "going to plan".

Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 11, 2017, 06:15:19 PM
If this were Hillary, would we be investigating her ties to Saudi Arabia? Or any other foreign power she owes favours to?

Sounds like he's signing this thing to appease the whiney democrats still sore from losing the election.

What is so wrong with Russia anyway?

Socialists always want a 'world without borders'. Russia tries to eliminate a few and everyone loses their shit.  ::)

If Clinton had won the election, I guarantee the Republicans would be investigating her. She has been under investigation for one thing or another for the past 30 years. Also, our leaders (D and R) have had a strange thing for the Saudis for as long as I can remember. Both parties kiss Saudi ass for whatever reason. (Oil, probably)

He's not signing that executive order to appease the Democrats. He's signing it because he believes he lost the popular vote because "millions" of illegals voted. He has no evidence of this, but he believes it. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/802972944532209664

There's nothing wrong with Russia. There's plenty wrong with Russian interference in our election process. If the Russians have information they can use to blackmail our leaders it is important. Did you know even low level govt employees have to disclose compromising information about themselves for the same reason?

I have no idea wtf you're talking about with the "socialists" comment. Democrats are not socialists. There are very few socialists in the US, and I don't know of any in power.

 
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: boydster on May 11, 2017, 06:48:35 PM
This reaction is what's happened the last few election cycles at least. It was the tea party on the right, and now whatever you want to call it on the left, but either way there's been a vocal opposition group to the party of the president for quite some time now. People can say "whiney democrats" all they want, but the pendulum swings both ways.

Now as far as the Russians go, there's a lot of reason to suspect they interfered with the election. Not only because literally all of the heads of all of the US intelligence agencies think so, but also because it's happening elsewhere in Europe as well. It would be silly to assume they didn't meddle with the US elections in whatever capacity they could, when people with access to the raw data say they think it happened. And let's acknowledge the fact that these are not just ideological democrats who are saying it happened. We're talking the former and current interim head of the FBI, the head of the CIA, the Director of National Intelligence, the Director of the NSA, the Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency. It's worth looking into, as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: Why do you think politics are stupid.
Post by: boydster on May 11, 2017, 06:54:18 PM
I wish everyone would stop whining and focus on making things better.

^^^ this is probably the soundest advice ^^^

Too much division among people that the government doesn't care about. And as soon as the battle lines are drawn (left vs right, lib vs conservative, republican vs democrat) the actual dialogue stops most times. Focus on making things better and getting things done that improve the lives of the people that government is supposed to be serving. That's not always going to mean doing the most popular thing, but that's why the job description isn't "do what gets me elected next cycle". There should be no such thing as a career politician.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 11, 2017, 07:07:50 PM
Investigating his ties to Russia are part of making things better, imo.

I agree but blaming them for an election result that people don't like I don't agree with.

It just seems to me this is a reaction of things not "going to plan".

There are tons of valid reasons why an investigation is very necessary. It is not because people are salty about the election. Stop repeating this dumbass straw man argument.

I wish everyone would stop whining and focus on making things better.

^^^ this is probably the soundest advice ^^^

The President just fired the guy in charge of investigating his own administration. This is definitely not something that people should "stop whining" about.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: boydster on May 11, 2017, 07:11:34 PM
The President just fired the guy in charge of investigating his own administration. This is definitely not something that people should "stop whining" about.


Is that what I said? Or did I detail reasons why the investigation into Russian interference makes sense immediately before that post? Hmmmmm... let me see... ::)

Now as far as the Russians go, there's a lot of reason to suspect they interfered with the election. Not only because literally all of the heads of all of the US intelligence agencies think so, but also because it's happening elsewhere in Europe as well. It would be silly to assume they didn't meddle with the US elections in whatever capacity they could, when people with access to the raw data say they think it happened. And let's acknowledge the fact that these are not just ideological democrats who are saying it happened. We're talking the former and current interim head of the FBI, the head of the CIA, the Director of National Intelligence, the Director of the NSA, the Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency. It's worth looking into, as far as I'm concerned.


What we need is the masses to be united in acknowledging this is an issue. And less whining about the stupid partisan shit that doesn't matter but takes away from important stuff like this.

That was really dishonest to imply that I didn't think the Russian investigation was important, when I stated that explicitly in the previous post.
Title: Re: Why do you think politics are stupid.
Post by: disputeone on May 11, 2017, 07:15:17 PM
Schooled.

I also fully support an open and honest investigation into any foreign influence on the US election.
Title: Re: Why do you think politics are stupid.
Post by: disputeone on May 11, 2017, 07:24:32 PM
Too much division among people that the government doesn't care about. And as soon as the battle lines are drawn (left vs right, lib vs conservative, republican vs democrat) the actual dialogue stops most times. Focus on making things better and getting things done that improve the lives of the people that government is supposed to be serving. That's not always going to mean doing the most popular thing, but that's why the job description isn't "do what gets me elected next cycle". There should be no such thing as a career politician.

Just gonna requote these for their overwhelming wisdom.

Edit.
Are we investigating the MSM interference in the election? I would say without them attempting to savage Trump 20x a day, Hillary would have won. It was hard enough for her to get people bothered to vote for her. MSM essentially told everyone they didn't need to because there was no way Trump would win.

Money and wealth should be taken away from the prerequisites of becoming President as it is. Basically you live in a fake democracy. It's a hideous Oligarchy and because it's only a 2 horse race, both can be corrupt and fraudulent as hell and there is nothing the public can do about it. Add to that, your Presidents have no choice but to puppet the whims of the sponsors who got them into power rather than serve the public who gave out their votes.

We are all humans, regardless of political difference. Lets make being a human great.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Shifter on May 11, 2017, 07:24:45 PM
Whether Russia tried to influence the outcome of the election or not is moot at this point. Only 60% of eligible voters bothered to vote anyway. Maybe if the other 40% gave a damn about their countries electoral process and future the outcome would have been different?

Are we investigating the MSM interference in the election? I would say without them attempting to savage Trump 20x a day, Hillary would have won. It was hard enough for her to get people bothered to vote for her. MSM essentially told everyone they didn't need to because there was no way Trump would win.

What about social media perpetuating the 'fake news'? Are they being drawn and quartered? Or is it just easy to 'blame Russia' because that also delegitimises a President you don't like

We talk about the Russians, but what about Julian Assange? I'm all for the free access to information but this guy held onto some of these nuggets and timed them to specifically be released when it could do the most political damage. This was no longer about freedom of information, but an attempt to skew an election. I'm sure there's a heap of information he is still hording to use as personal bargaining chips or for politics some day. In some ways, he is no different to the rest. Why no hate levelled at him anymore?

America looks pretty stupid to be complaining about 'election interference' given their shameless and active interference in many countries across the world. Perhaps its karma teaching you a lesson. And maybe if America had put up candidates with a bit of class and calibre you wouldn't have Trump win a nomination and then the Presidency. You have a population of 350+ million. If these 2 were your best and brightest that's pretty embarrassing. Trump was the only one of the 2 that had potential to wreck that system and make it possible for someone in the future to make it to the top and not need billions in foreign power money and sponsors. The democrats could get an unheard of nobody that says 'not Trump' for the campaign and draw not only everyone who voted for Hillary but all the supporters who didn't bother to vote last time. Maybe you guys need a 'nobody' as President. Would also do a better job than that desiccated fossil Hillary.

Your entire system is flawed. Money and wealth should be taken away from the prerequisites of becoming President as it is. Basically you live in a fake democracy. It's a hideous Oligarchy and because it's only a 2 horse race, both can be corrupt and fraudulent as hell and there is nothing the public can do about it. Add to that, your Presidents have no choice but to puppet the whims of the sponsors who got them into power rather than serve the public who gave out their votes.

Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: boydster on May 11, 2017, 07:33:47 PM
Are you saying we shouldn't try and fix it? Should I just STFU because I feel like Russia shouldn't have a direct influence on our elections? Should I ignore the fact that the DNC had their thumb on the scale for someone that I thought was corrupt from the get-go? Should I just sit here and not exercise my right to speak freely and express my opinions because the "entire system is flawed" or is it OK for me to say that I think things should be better?

Shit man. I don't think looking into meddling with an election for the President of the USA is moot. I think it's pretty fucking important. Of all the things we could be having a national conversation about, this one actually matters.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 11, 2017, 07:35:55 PM
The President just fired the guy in charge of investigating his own administration. This is definitely not something that people should "stop whining" about.

Is that what I said? Or did I detail reasons why the investigation into Russian interference makes sense immediately before that post? Hmmmmm... let me see... ::)
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That was really dishonest to imply that I didn't think the Russian investigation was important, when I stated that explicitly in the previous post.

Which is why it is weird that you seemed to agree with disputeone's comment. I didn't mean to imply anything about your views that was untrue. Just seemed contradictory.

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What we need is the masses to be united in acknowledging this is an issue. And less whining about the stupid partisan shit that doesn't matter but takes away from important stuff like this.

Yes, that would be fantastic.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 11, 2017, 07:38:29 PM
My comment was;

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I wish everyone would stop whining and focus on making things better.

Was that really such a terrible thing to say?

I then went on to say;

I also fully support an open and honest investigation into any foreign influence on the US election.

I guess it depends on who hears it.
http://shareblue.com/
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on May 11, 2017, 07:47:59 PM
My comment was;

I wish everyone would stop whining and focus on making things better.

Was that really such a terrible thing to say?

I guess it depends on who hears it.
http://shareblue.com/

I guess the not whining part I take issue with. Whining is exactly what we should be doing right now. Eliminating this check on the presidents power is a bridge too far. The Republicans have the majority in Congress so they'll defend him no matter what. Unless we whine hard enough so they know it impacts their chances to hold office in 2018. Whining is a good sign.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: boydster on May 11, 2017, 07:55:15 PM
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What we need is the masses to be united in acknowledging this is an issue. And less whining about the stupid partisan shit that doesn't matter but takes away from important stuff like this.

Yes, that would be fantastic.

I'm glad we are in agreement. My whole point was that there should be less division among the people who, at the end of the day, don't really matter to the politicians that "serve" us. Trump doesn't give a shit about me or my family. Neither does Hillary. And when people on a certain team argue with the people on the other team to the degree it's happening now, conversation breaks down and the only winners are the people that were already on top to begin with. Frankly, disagreeing with disputeone about people whining (regardless of what side of the political spectrum they fall on) would seem pretty ironic, given the vocal parts of both US parties are pretty god damn whiney when they don't get their way about something. And unfortunately, the echo chambers are so loud right now that people just hear what they want to and many just believe that everyone else with the capability to reason feels the same way since they are insulated from the "other team's" viewpoint.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: boydster on May 11, 2017, 07:57:45 PM
My comment was;

I wish everyone would stop whining and focus on making things better.

Was that really such a terrible thing to say?

I guess it depends on who hears it.
http://shareblue.com/

I guess the not whining part I take issue with. Whining is exactly what we should be doing right now. Eliminating this check on the presidents power is a bridge too far. The Republicans have the majority in Congress so they'll defend him no matter what. Unless we whine hard enough so they know it impacts their chances to hold office in 2018. Whining is a good sign.

I get what you're saying, but I disagree that whining is a good sign. A well-reasoned, ideologically neutral argument is different than partisan whining I think. People can see through partisan whining, and it serves to divide. For me, seeing the heads of the several different intelligence agencies all speaking to the senate today was very refreshing. No partisan crap from them, just facts and legitimate concerns.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 11, 2017, 08:12:14 PM
whine
wʌɪn/
verb

gerund or present participle: whining
give or make a long, high-pitched complaining cry or sound.
"the dog whined and scratched at the back door"

synonyms:   hum, drone, sing
"the lift began to whine"

complain in a feeble or petulant way.
"she began to whine about how hard she had been forced to work"
synonyms:   complaint, complaining, grouse, grousing, moan, moaning, moans and groans, grouch, grouching, grumble, whining, carping, muttering, murmur, murmuring, whispering;
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 11, 2017, 08:33:39 PM
My comment was;

I wish everyone would stop whining and focus on making things better.

Was that really such a terrible thing to say?

I guess it depends on who hears it.
http://shareblue.com/

I guess the not whining part I take issue with. Whining is exactly what we should be doing right now. Eliminating this check on the presidents power is a bridge too far. The Republicans have the majority in Congress so they'll defend him no matter what. Unless we whine hard enough so they know it impacts their chances to hold office in 2018. Whining is a good sign.

I get what you're saying, but I disagree that whining is a good sign. A well-reasoned, ideologically neutral argument is different than partisan whining I think. People can see through partisan whining, and it serves to divide. For me, seeing the heads of the several different intelligence agencies all speaking to the senate today was very refreshing. No partisan crap from them, just facts and legitimate concerns.

The problem is what constitutes "partisan whining". The whitehouse has been relentlessly trying to portray opposition to the firing as exactly that: partisan whining, democrats being sore election losers, etc. Watch the press conferences from the last two days or Trump's twitter feed:

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Russia must be laughing up their sleeves watching as the U.S. tears itself apart over a Democrat EXCUSE for losing the election.
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The Democrats should be ashamed. This is a disgrace! #DrainTheSwamp
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Dems have been complaining for months & months about Dir. Comey. Now that he has been fired they PRETEND to be aggrieved. Phony hypocrites!
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The Democrats have said some of the worst things about James Comey, including the fact that he should be fired, but now they play so sad!
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Cryin' Chuck Schumer stated recently, "I do not have confidence in him (James Comey) any longer." Then acts so indignant. #draintheswamp

It's easy to complain about "partisan whining", but when the POTUS himself characterizes practically every form of opposition as partisan whining... forgive me if I allow myself an eyeroll or two. There is nothing partisan about being concerned about the latest chain of events.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: boydster on May 11, 2017, 08:47:19 PM
I agree there is nothing partisan about investigating the recent chain of events. I would submit that the President saying something doesn't make it true. "I am not a crook," "I did not have sexual relations with that woman," and "I am not under investigation" all serve to help bolster that point.

As far as what constitutes "partisan whining"... well, we aren't going to fix that until we stop the infighting between the average Americans who think Trump or Clinton were candidates with a vested interest in our personal well being. But if we can step outside the news articles coming through social media or MSNBC/FOX and start listening to people like the heads of our many national intelligence agencies, it would probably serve us well. As I'm sure you well know, we need to stop getting our opinions spoon-fed to us from the media and start formulating our own opinions on primary sources and actual hard data when possible. But that seems to be a tough ask right now. People are really entrenched in the echo chambers that social and national media have provided.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 11, 2017, 09:23:41 PM
I agree there is nothing partisan about investigating the recent chain of events. I would submit that the President saying something doesn't make it true. "I am not a crook," "I did not have sexual relations with that woman," and "I am not under investigation" all serve to help bolster that point.

My point was that it is annoying to hear complaints about "partisan whining" when that is exactly what the president is trying to brand his legitimate opposition as. It sounds like you are just parroting the president's talking points to dismiss the opposition. (Not that you are.)

I guess it would help if you were specific about the "partisan whining" you are referring to. Otherwise we might as well be dancing with headphones on to two different songs. Not surprising if we step on each others' toes.

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As far as what constitutes "partisan whining"... well, we aren't going to fix that until we stop the infighting between the average Americans who think Trump or Clinton were candidates with a vested interest in our personal well being. But if we can step outside the news articles coming through social media or MSNBC/FOX and start listening to people like the heads of our many national intelligence agencies, it would probably serve us well. As I'm sure you well know, we need to stop getting our opinions spoon-fed to us from the media and start formulating our own opinions on primary sources and actual hard data when possible. But that seems to be a tough ask right now. People are really entrenched in the echo chambers that social and national media have provided.

The problem is that the average person is much less informed about current events than the average media person. Many people don't have the time or inclination to form solid opinions by watching Congressional proceedings. It would be great if they could, but it just isn't going to happen. Separation of duties is the basic premise behind civilization. We can't be experts at everything, so we have to be open to accepting the opinions of those who are experts in their respective fields. The downside is that this leaves us vulnerable to manipulation, but I don't see an alternative.

I'm not really sure what the solution is. Better general education. Better electoral system that encourages more honest debate.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 11, 2017, 10:19:38 PM
As I'm sure you well know, we need to stop getting our opinions spoon-fed to us from the media and start formulating our own opinions on primary sources and actual hard data when possible. But that seems to be a tough ask right now. People are really entrenched in the echo chambers that social and national media have provided.

Marry me?

Jks no homo ;D.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Shifter on May 11, 2017, 10:20:47 PM
It was okay for the democrats to call for Comeys head when he publically stated he was reopening the investigation to Hillarys email affairs.... Yet now? lol I should not know of or hear about the FBI director. Now that he has made himself such a public figure that attracts media attention every time he speaks, its time his role as director is finished. The FBI should not be making news or headlines. As soon as it does, its tarnished and its ability to do quality investigations or to be taken seriously is hindered. He may have been doing an exemplary job up until the point MSM decided to follow him around. He should not be fronting cameras and attracting the limelight. Maybe he didn't seek to, but it happened.

Also, it's ridiculous 'news' articles like this that pisses of any sane person

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/wtf/disbelief-over-donald-trumps-two-scoops-of-ice-cream/news-story/28e287dcfb2c984815977354336eacf0

wah wah, Trump got 2 scoops of ice cream and everyone else only got 1! LOL Are they kidding me???

Can you honestly say this would be a story if Hillary and her staff were catered to their tastes and the journalists got given a default menu? This is gutter 'journalism' and the average person has had enough of reading this shit.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 11, 2017, 11:08:44 PM
It was okay for the democrats to call for Comeys head when he publically stated he was reopening the investigation to Hillarys email affairs....

Are they the FBI director's boss? Were they under active investigation by the FBI? Did they already publicly recuse themselves from said investigation? C'mon man, this isn't difficult to understand.

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Yet now? lol I should not know of or hear about the FBI director. Now that he has made himself such a public figure that attracts media attention every time he speaks, its time his role as director is finished. The FBI should not be making news or headlines. As soon as it does, its tarnished and its ability to do quality investigations or to be taken seriously is hindered. He may have been doing an exemplary job up until the point MSM decided to follow him around. He should not be fronting cameras and attracting the limelight. Maybe he didn't seek to, but it happened.

Yes, that is the same weak-ass excuse the whitehouse is using.

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Also, it's ridiculous 'news' articles like this that pisses of any sane person

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/wtf/disbelief-over-donald-trumps-two-scoops-of-ice-cream/news-story/28e287dcfb2c984815977354336eacf0

wah wah, Trump got 2 scoops of ice cream and everyone else only got 1! LOL Are they kidding me???

Protip: don't actively go seeking out ridiculous news sources.

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Can you honestly say this would be a story if Hillary and her staff were catered to their tastes and the journalists got given a default menu? This is gutter 'journalism' and the average person has had enough of reading this shit.

Google "Obama dijon mustard", and then get back to me.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Shifter on May 11, 2017, 11:26:49 PM
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Protip: don't actively go seeking out ridiculous news sources

Actively 'seek out'? It's on the front page of one of Australias 'mainstream' news website that get hundreds of thousands of hits a day. Hell, its web address is 'news.com.au'. It tries to promote itself as news for Australians.

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Yes, that is the same weak-ass excuse the whitehouse is using.

It's not a weak-ass excuse. It's the truth. You cant have an FBI director in the lime light making news wherever he goes and everything he says. Regardless of how well he did the job, the media itself in their hunt for Trumps head are to blame for his position being untenable.

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Google "Obama dijon mustard", and then get back to me
https://www.mediamatters.org/research/2009/05/07/dijon-derangement-syndrome-conservative-media-a/149946 <-- LOL I humbly stand corrected


Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Twerp on May 12, 2017, 12:09:44 AM
Google "Obama dijon mustard", and then get back to me.

This is one of my favorite examples of the stupidity of politics these days. You would think it came from a kids cartoon or something, but it actually happened.

"You don't want this man leading your country! How can he be a good leader when he uses the wrong type of mustard?!!!!!"
 
This kind of stupidity happens all across the political spectrum and I think all over the western world. For all its advantages, perhaps this is one of the disadvantages of a democracy. It's embarrassing really.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 12, 2017, 12:25:19 AM
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Yes, that is the same weak-ass excuse the whitehouse is using.

It's not a weak-ass excuse. It's the truth. You cant have an FBI director in the lime light making news wherever he goes and everything he says. Regardless of how well he did the job, the media itself in their hunt for Trumps head are to blame for his position being untenable.

Trump explicitly praised Comey's handling of the Hillary investigation on multiple occasions. Now that he's the subject of an investigation, it's suddenly an issue? Yes, it's a blatantly transparent excuse, and shady as hell.

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Actively 'seek out'? It's on the front page of one of Australias 'mainstream' news website that get hundreds of thousands of hits a day. Hell, its web address is 'news.com.au'. It tries to promote itself as news for Australians.
...

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Google "Obama dijon mustard", and then get back to me
https://www.mediamatters.org/research/2009/05/07/dijon-derangement-syndrome-conservative-media-a/149946 <-- LOL I humbly stand corrected

Ha. Nailed it.

And my point was that you got it from the lifestyle section. Other headlines right now in that section: "Woman's awkward eyebrow fail", "Your baby's bogan name hurts its future", "Avocado hand injuries: Do we really need safety warnings?".

I appreciate your dislike for tabloid journalism, but it certainly isn't unique to Trump, and it isn't going away any time soon. Now excuse me while I go read about what a bogan baby name is.
Title: Re: Why do you think politics are stupid.
Post by: Canadabear on May 12, 2017, 04:13:54 AM
I wish everyone would stop whining and focus on making things better.

the best way would be to do a new election. kick Trump out of the white house and all his staff with him that praise him.

he has done already enough damage.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on May 12, 2017, 05:49:13 AM
Have trump supporter actually ever listened to him talking?
I was more eloquent when I was 5 years old.
Title: Re: Why do you think politics are stupid.
Post by: disputeone on May 12, 2017, 06:08:29 AM
I wish everyone would stop whining and focus on making things better.

the best way would be to do a new election. kick Trump out of the white house and all his staff with him that praise him.

he has done already enough damage.

You are suggesting a (hopefully) bloodless coup?

Edit.

Have trump supporter actually ever listened to him talking?
I was more eloquent when I was 5 years old.

That's why I supported him in the election, he's not a career politician.

Also the corruption is so deep a change of President is unlikely to solve anything imho.

(https://s18.postimg.org/gw8p2c5vt/1494326478029m.jpg)
Title: Re: Why do you think politics are stupid.
Post by: Canadabear on May 12, 2017, 06:43:42 AM
I wish everyone would stop whining and focus on making things better.

the best way would be to do a new election. kick Trump out of the white house and all his staff with him that praise him.

he has done already enough damage.

You are suggesting a (hopefully) bloodless coup?

Edit.
...


yes, especially after the interview he gave yesterday (i think).
where he said that it was only his decision to fire Comey, against what all his stuff said till than it was based on the report from Rosenstein.
with that statement it appears that his staff did know anything about his decisions.

an other explanation would be that Trump is mental instable.

the whole thing is even more proof to remove that insane person.
we know what can happen if a insane person is the leader of a country.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 12, 2017, 07:05:03 AM
I don't think he's insane, just egotistical and incompetent.
Title: Re: Why do you think politics are stupid.
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on May 12, 2017, 07:08:38 AM
Have trump supporter actually ever listened to him talking?
I was more eloquent when I was 5 years old.

That's why I supported him in the election, he's not a career politician.
Well, I can't say that this surprises me ;)

But seriously, I think you should support politicians for their agenda and what they have done so far and not for how much you like the way they talk.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 12, 2017, 07:16:32 AM
I did support him for his agenda. Far over the agenda of the other option anyway.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on May 12, 2017, 07:24:06 AM
I did support him for his agenda. Far over the agenda of the other option anyway.

Sounds reasonable.

I think the muricans chose the worst candidates from both parties. Well, I though have to admit I kind of enjoy the clown fiesta currently happening in the USA, even though I'm a bit worried.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Canadabear on May 12, 2017, 07:53:30 AM
I don't think he's insane, just egotistical and incompetent.

and he does not remember what he said before.

see at what he now say about china. now he praise the chinese president as a great person and also china as a great country.

the same thing with north korea, he calls the dictator a smart cookie.

Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 12, 2017, 04:01:28 PM
Something can be great without being good and moral. In that sense I would agree China is a great country.

Someone can be smart and intelligent while being a sociopath, I would also agree that Kim Jong is "smart". Most dictators throughout history have been intelligent although a few have been arguably evil.

A bad memory ==/== insane.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 12, 2017, 05:23:58 PM
Speaking of insane, Trump just shot himself in the foot again.

After his staff and the VP have spent the last few days swearing up and down that the Comey firing had nothing to do with the Russia investigation, and was done only on the recommendation of the DOJ... Trump gives this interview, discrediting all of it (http://). Lol.

Then, after leaks about some legally dubious conversations between Comey and Trump, Trump threatens Comey on Twitter (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/863007411132649473) with this:
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James Comey better hope that there are no "tapes" of our conversations before he starts leaking to the press!

To which everyone collectively squealed with glee, "There are tapes?! Yes please!" Congressional dems have already requested info about the existence of the tapes. (https://twitter.com/HouseJudDems/status/863114184451649536)

This could be huge, assuming any amount of cooperation from republi... oh... nevermind.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 12, 2017, 05:44:52 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_oLLaFUwAAx89y.jpg)

Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on May 12, 2017, 05:45:28 PM
My favorite part is the loyalty oaths Trump apparently requires from all the top people.

The "tapes", I don't know why the quotation marks are necessary, is an interesting situation.  Normally threatening someone with tapes like this would just be a tactic meant to intimidate idiots who don't know any better.  But since he's the president the situation is a little different.  Those "tapes" are now part of the Russian investigation.  Investigators are fully within their authority to possession of them in their entirety.  Trump can't outright refuse to hand them over or claim to destroy them, that would be a felony.  But he also can't hand them over since, um, it's hard to surrender something that doesn't exist.  He can't retract the claim because it would make him look even worse.

So basically we can look forward to Trump spending our tax dollars fighting the intelligence committee's demand for tapes that everybody knows doesn't exist.

#MAGA!
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 12, 2017, 05:52:51 PM
Calling someone insane bacause you don't like them is pretty weak Totes, I'd say I expected better but at this point I really dont. I also refuse to go on twitter.

Seems to me like it wasn't totally unreasonable to sack the guy from the FBI we were told months ago they had evidence of a russian "hack" and they still can't deliver any, I agree that they should up their game. I'm not saying Trump isn't also incompetent, although saying anything that even agrees with him 1% is against the narrative and therefore shunned.

We could sit here and rip into the corruption of pretty much every president since JFK, however I personally believe the corruption runs much deeper than the president of the day. We were warned by early presidents of the US about this corrupt influence, I belived we failed to act.

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power has risen up in the government greater than the people themselves, consisting of many and various powerful interests, combined in one mass, and held together by the cohesive power of the vast surplus in banks.” – John C. Calhoun, Vice President (1825-1832) and U.S. Senator, from a speech given on May 27, 1836

In the year of 2000 there were seven countries without a privately owned or controlled Central Bank:

Afghanistan
Iraq
Sudan
Libya
Cuba
North Korea
Iran

Three left.

I know I know, I'm insane too etc, the 6pm News tells us everything we need to know about everything. I don't mind being called crazy anymore.

I am sorry that politics are so bad at the moment, it's not good for anyone. I'm not even sure how we can start to fix it anymore.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 12, 2017, 06:22:16 PM
Calling someone insane bacause you don't like them is pretty weak Totes, I'd say I expected better but at this point I really dont. I also refuse to go on twitter.

I call him insane because of the insane things he says and does on an almost bi-weekly basis. But by all means, continue your little perpetual tantrum against me.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 12, 2017, 06:32:18 PM
My tantrum you say?

It's nothing against you personally. I just wouldn't call Trump insane because he isn't, as I wouldn't call him a good president because he isn't.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 12, 2017, 07:55:15 PM
It's nothing against you personally.
Calling someone insane bacause you don't like them is pretty weak Totes, I'd say I expected better but at this point I really dont...

Uhuh.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 12, 2017, 08:06:36 PM
Just an observation. I'll try to be more polite, I know I have some unpopular opinions but this is the FES.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 12, 2017, 08:16:06 PM
My favorite part is the loyalty oaths Trump apparently requires from all the top people.

Oh man I reeeeeeally hope there are tapes of all this.

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The "tapes", I don't know why the quotation marks are necessary, is an interesting situation.  Normally threatening someone with tapes like this would just be a tactic meant to intimidate idiots who don't know any better.  But since he's the president the situation is a little different.  Those "tapes" are now part of the Russian investigation.  Investigators are fully within their authority to possession of them in their entirety.  Trump can't outright refuse to hand them over or claim to destroy them, that would be a felony.  But he also can't hand them over since, um, it's hard to surrender something that doesn't exist.  He can't retract the claim because it would make him look even worse.

So basically we can look forward to Trump spending our tax dollars fighting the intelligence committee's demand for tapes that everybody knows doesn't exist.

#MAGA!

I suspect he will claim that the tapes were just hypothetical, and that he was only saying that if such a tape existed, it would prove him right. I think there is a strong possibility of the tapes actually existing though. If the administration continues with the "no comment" strategy, then I would be pretty confident that the tapes actually exist.

The irony of this whole situation is hilarious though. "How low has President Trump gone to tape tappe my phone calls during the very sacred investigation process. This is Nixon/Watergate. Bad (or sick) guy!" -- Comey, hopefully.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on May 12, 2017, 10:47:53 PM
It's possible there are tapes.  It's happened before obviously.  I doubt it though for a few reasons.  A recording device around a president is more of a liability than an asset. It's a government record so it's illegal to destroy.  To act against a president requires an enormous amount of hard evidence.  These recordings would be a goldmine.  Conversely a president can act against anyone with a much lower burden of proof.  It has to be taken as a whole so whatever it reveals about Comey it would probably turn up more dirty laundry on everyone around him.  With this president, recording all the conversations in the oval office would be even more of a liability.  He can't stop incriminating himself in public.  Can you imagine how bad the things he says in private are? 

All of that aside if there were a recording of this dinner conversation I seriously doubt that releasing it would help Trump's case.  Comey knows the law and most likely acts as if he's always being recorded anyways.  Trump... whenever he says something accurate I'm always taken aback.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: JerkFace on May 12, 2017, 11:54:36 PM
I'll make a prediction.   

Trump is safe so long as his republican mates stick by him.   The moment it reaches a tipping point and the likes of  Ryan, Sessions,  McConnell decide to jump ship,  he will go down in flames.

As to what that tipping point might be,  I don't think firing Comey was it,   and it depends how deep the likes of Sessions and others are involved in collusion with the Russians over the election hacking.

Rachel Maddow is always good for an update,  although her style of leading the audience is a bit off putting at times. 

Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 13, 2017, 12:40:39 AM
It's possible there are tapes.  It's happened before obviously.  I doubt it though for a few reasons.  A recording device around a president is more of a liability than an asset. It's a government record so it's illegal to destroy.  To act against a president requires an enormous amount of hard evidence.  These recordings would be a goldmine.  Conversely a president can act against anyone with a much lower burden of proof.  It has to be taken as a whole so whatever it reveals about Comey it would probably turn up more dirty laundry on everyone around him.  With this president, recording all the conversations in the oval office would be even more of a liability.  He can't stop incriminating himself in public.  Can you imagine how bad the things he says in private are? 

All of that aside if there were a recording of this dinner conversation I seriously doubt that releasing it would help Trump's case.  Comey knows the law and most likely acts as if he's always being recorded anyways.  Trump... whenever he says something accurate I'm always taken aback.

Well yeah, the smart thing would be to not record everything. But this is Trump we are talking about. I'll bet 10 aisantaros-bucks that those tapes exist. I'll bet 10 more aisantaros-bucks that the whitehouse maintains a strict "no comment" policy on the existence of the tapes... until Trump starts making off-the-cuff, slightly contradictory denials of their existence out of frustration.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 14, 2017, 11:00:44 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-us-100-billion-arms-deal-saudi-arabia-a7733871.html

Yuck.

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The official, who spoke to Reuters on condition of anonymity, said the arms package could end up surpassing more than $300bn over a decade to help Saudi Arabia boost its defensive capabilities while still maintaining US ally Israel’s qualitative military edge over its neighbours.

Super yuck.



The bottom line is money nobody gives a f*ck...
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Shifter on May 15, 2017, 01:00:19 AM
I wonder if Mr Trump realises that philosophically, there is little if any difference between Saudi Arabia's politics and 'Islamic States'?

What a tool

I guess it's good for Americas war machine to keep arming it's enemies  :-X
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on May 15, 2017, 01:01:56 AM
I wonder if Mr Trump realises that philosophically, there is little if any difference between Saudi Arabia's politics and 'Islamic States'?

What a tool

I guess it's good for Americas war machine to keep arming it's enemies  :-X

I doubt he cares.  I doubt that Trump or Clinton would stand up to these barbarians. 
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 15, 2017, 01:05:40 AM
I wonder if Mr Trump realises that philosophically, there is little if any difference between Saudi Arabia's politics and 'Islamic States'?

What a tool

I guess it's good for Americas war machine to keep arming it's enemies  :-X

I doubt he cares.  I doubt that Trump or Clinton would stand up to these barbarians.

Based.

We can change things together, the people shouldn't be afraid of their government a government should be afraid of its people.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: FalseProphet on May 17, 2017, 01:31:53 AM
Calling someone insane bacause you don't like them is pretty weak Totes, I'd say I expected better but at this point I really dont. I also refuse to go on twitter.

Seems to me like it wasn't totally unreasonable to sack the guy from the FBI we were told months ago they had evidence of a russian "hack" and they still can't deliver any, I agree that they should up their game. I'm not saying Trump isn't also incompetent, although saying anything that even agrees with him 1% is against the narrative and therefore shunned.

We could sit here and rip into the corruption of pretty much every president since JFK, however I personally believe the corruption runs much deeper than the president of the day. We were warned by early presidents of the US about this corrupt influence, I belived we failed to act.

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power has risen up in the government greater than the people themselves, consisting of many and various powerful interests, combined in one mass, and held together by the cohesive power of the vast surplus in banks.” – John C. Calhoun, Vice President (1825-1832) and U.S. Senator, from a speech given on May 27, 1836

In the year of 2000 there were seven countries without a privately owned or controlled Central Bank:

Afghanistan
Iraq
Sudan
Libya
Cuba
North Korea
Iran

Three left.

I know I know, I'm insane too etc, the 6pm News tells us everything we need to know about everything. I don't mind being called crazy anymore.

I am sorry that politics are so bad at the moment, it's not good for anyone. I'm not even sure how we can start to fix it anymore.

Banks should be public rather than private, like water and healthcare.

Trump is obviously mentally ill. Also he shows clear signs of dementia.

No, believing something is wrong only because the "media" say it is true is not a reasonable approach.

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I personally believe the corruption runs much deeper than the president of the day

Wow. Nobody else knows that.  ::)
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 17, 2017, 01:37:04 AM
Trump is obviously mentally ill.

Please cite Trumps medical records.

Failing that please cite your qualifications in psychology and justification to make that call based on your television and never meeting the guy.

Wow. Nobody else knows that.  ::)

Actually, not many people do.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on May 17, 2017, 01:58:09 AM
Please cite Trumps medical records.

Failing that please cite your qualifications in psychology and justification to make that call based on your television and never meeting the guy.
I don't think he has claimed that he made a proper medical diagnosis.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 17, 2017, 02:06:08 AM
Trump is obviously mentally ill.

Please cite Trumps medical records.

Failing that please cite your qualifications in psychology and justification to make that call based on your television and never meeting the guy.
I don't think he has claimed that he made a proper medical diagnosis.

Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on May 17, 2017, 02:09:56 AM
Well, that's obviously his opinon and not a correct medical diagnosis.
I think that should be rather easy to distinguish.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 17, 2017, 02:15:31 AM
I think he should state that it is just his opinion and not use a term like "Trump is obviously mentally ill."

This is what I meant in the other thread about being dismissed as a person. I think that should be rather easy to distinguish.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on May 17, 2017, 02:27:17 AM
I think he should state that it is just his opinion and not use a term like "Trump is obviously mentally ill."
I agree, it would be better if he stated that.
On the other hand, this is an online forum. So, unless sources are provided or something is specifically stated as a fact, I generally assume it's just the posters opinion.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: FalseProphet on May 17, 2017, 02:28:04 AM
You do not have to be a doctor to see that somebody is lame. Except he simulates.

Likewise you do not have to be a psychologist to see that Trump has a narcissistic personality disorder and is demented (though, of course, lots of psychologists have warned the public that this is the case).

but who knows, maybe it's all part of a incredibly smart, devilish plan.

And yes indeed, it is quite commonly known that American politics is corrupt.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bom Tishop on May 17, 2017, 02:53:40 AM
Lol...False prophet.... I am always so happy when you get your turn in your village at the computer kiosk..

I miss you when you are MIA, I always assume the worst but hope for the best... You shouldn't worry me so much sugar plum  :'(
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Canadabear on May 17, 2017, 04:23:35 AM
I think he should state that it is just his opinion and not use a term like "Trump is obviously mentally ill."

This is what I meant in the other thread about being dismissed as a person. I think that should be rather easy to distinguish.

Would it not be better if Trump is mentally ill?
if not, than he does all that on purpose.

-he does business with the Russians on a big scale
-he tells them to hack clintons computer.
-he fires the man that investigates him for the russian contacts, and exactly for that reason
-he threaten him if he tells the people anything
-he tells russian spies secrets
and much much more

till now he has done nothing to do something positive for the country and the US people.
also till now he has kept not one of his promises he made before election.

i can not understand somebody that still supports that man, he has broken any promise he made before.

the only jobs he has created are the jobs for his family members that he put into the government.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 17, 2017, 07:28:30 AM
Whether or not Trump is actually mentally ill, he has shown himself to be incompetent. I'm not going to diagnose him with anything but stupidity and a massive ego.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: FalseProphet on May 17, 2017, 07:40:33 AM
I'm not going to diagnose him with anything but stupidity and a massive ego.

I guess the only relevant difference between our terminology is: when you call it dementia and narcissism it counts as pre-existing conditions.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 17, 2017, 07:48:02 AM
I'm not going to diagnose him with anything but stupidity and a massive ego.

I guess the only relevant difference between our terminology is: when you call it dementia and narcissism it counts as pre-existing conditions.

Trumpcare will turn him down!

Srsly tho, it's not easy to tell if he really has a mental illness from a distance. It's obvious he is narcissistic (idk about clinically narcissistic, but definitely in the colloquial sense). He doesn't make time to really know about the things he has to work on. I can imagine he blurted out those classified things to the Russians and felt very cool about having that knowledge, without thinking about the consequences. He's like a kid sometimes.

If I say he is crazy or insane or something, it is not proper medical meaning of the terms, but the common usage of the terms. I try not to use the terms here because we get so many angry globularists playing armchair psychologists.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: FalseProphet on May 17, 2017, 07:58:54 AM
I try not to use the terms here because we get so many angry globularists playing armchair psychologists.

They can be annoying. How's your penguphobia doing?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on May 17, 2017, 08:15:57 AM
[not] clinically narcissistic, but definitely in the colloquial sense
Wow, so eloquent!
And I thought you're from 'murica.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: DuckDodgers on May 17, 2017, 09:32:36 AM
To be fair to Trump, aren't all presidents narcissistic to some extent? I feel like it's almost required when you willingly seek a position because you think you're the best thing for a nation.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: FalseProphet on May 17, 2017, 09:49:30 AM
To be fair to Trump, aren't all presidents narcissistic to some extent? I feel like it's almost required when you willingly seek a position because you think you're the best thing for a nation.

Not only presidents, actually almost everybody who has come to fame somehow.

That's a thing that I really like on Bernie Sanders. He is not. Every time he gets praised by someone he purses his lips as if he feels uneasy for feeling good about it.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 17, 2017, 10:02:32 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DACrhLZUQAAyXZs.jpg)

I don't know anything about the New York Post, but I bet Trump reads it.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Canadabear on May 17, 2017, 10:12:33 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DACrhLZUQAAyXZs.jpg)

I don't know anything about the New York Post, but I bet Trump reads it.

i think he said one time he does not read them because they are failing big times and they are anyway part of the fake news.

i think anyway that he has big problems with reading therefore the short texts and the visual aids.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 17, 2017, 10:14:13 AM
It's the New York Times he says is failing. The NYT is more respectable than the Post, so it hurts worse when they criticize him.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Canadabear on May 17, 2017, 10:24:04 AM
It's the New York Times he says is failing. The NYT is more respectable than the Post, so it hurts worse when they criticize him.

oh yes you are right, i mixed these two up
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 17, 2017, 10:36:27 AM
http://www.courant.com/politics/hc-trump-coast-guard-commencement-20170516-story.html

From his commencement address at the U.S. Coast Guard Academy -

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"You have to put your head down and fight, fight, fight,'' he told the cadets. "Never, ever, ever give up. Things will work out just fine. Look at the way I've been treated lately – especially by the media. No politician in history – and I say this with great surety – has been treated worse or more unfairly. You can't let them get you down."

No politician in history!
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 17, 2017, 10:39:23 AM
Oh goodie, I almost forgot about that. The emperor is naked, and now he's going to parade around the Middle East trying to solve the world's most complicated conflicts. Is it possible to die from secondhand embarrassment?

Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 17, 2017, 10:46:50 AM
Quote
"You have to put your head down and fight, fight, fight,'' he told the cadets. "Never, ever, ever give up. Things will work out just fine. Look at the way I've been treated lately – especially by the media. No politician in history – and I say this with great surety – has been treated worse or more unfairly. You can't let them get you down."

No politician in history!

Unpresidented!
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 17, 2017, 10:48:29 AM
I voted for him. He is exactly what I thought I would get. 
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Canadabear on May 17, 2017, 11:07:55 AM
I voted for him. He is exactly what I thought I would get.

really????

either you are not very smart, or you are one of the 0.1% that get profit from his "politics", you must be a billionaire.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on May 17, 2017, 11:11:09 AM
My biggest regret in all of this is that we didn't get Palin for vice president. 

http://www.theonion.com/video/morbid-curiosity-leading-many-voters-to-support-pa-18865

I guess it's time to start getting to know Mike Pence.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 17, 2017, 11:42:40 AM
I try not to use the terms here because we get so many angry globularists playing armchair psychologists.

They can be annoying. How's your penguphobia doing?

The penguin menace is real  >:(



http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/333838-senate-intel-panel-asks-comey-to-testify-publicly

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Committee Chairman Richard Burr (R-N.C.) and ranking member Mark Warner (D-Va.) on Wednesday said they sent a letter to Comey asking him to testify during a public hearing as well as meet with members in a closed-door briefing.

This should be interesting.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Canadabear on May 17, 2017, 11:57:17 AM
My biggest regret in all of this is that we didn't get Palin for vice president. 

http://www.theonion.com/video/morbid-curiosity-leading-many-voters-to-support-pa-18865

I guess it's time to start getting to know Mike Pence.

hahahaha

a crazy president and an even crazier vice president.

who else you would like to see in the government?
Charles Manson (Department for justice)
Ken Ham (Department for education (the current Betsy Devos is not crazy only incompetent)
Sledge Hammer (Department for inner safety)
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on May 17, 2017, 12:10:39 PM
That's funny that you mention Sledge Hammer.  I used to watch that show when I was a kid and thought they were serious.  To this day every time I see a tv show where the suspect gets his one phone call I'm like "Don't let him!  He's calling his gang!".
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on May 17, 2017, 03:39:44 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/deputy-attorney-general-appoints-special-counsel-to-oversee-probe-of-russian-interference-in-election/2017/05/17/302c1774-3b49-11e7-8854-21f359183e8c_story.html?utm_term=.8df7b16fda70

I think I've got this figured out now.  Trump is a time traveler from the future who was sent back in time to warn us about electing Trump.  Everything he's predicted would happen under Hillary is happening to him now.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 17, 2017, 03:59:56 PM
I voted for him. He is exactly what I thought I would get.

really? ???


yes



either you are not very smart, or you are one of the 0.1% that get profit from his "politics", you must be a billionaire.


Did you vote?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: boydster on May 17, 2017, 04:17:00 PM
Bullwinkle do you think we might see President Pence become reality? And was that a part of your calculus in your vote?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 17, 2017, 04:39:10 PM
Bad day to be Paul Ryan.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/house-majority-leader-to-colleagues-in-2016-i-think-putin-pays-trump/2017/05/17/515f6f8a-3aff-11e7-8854-21f359183e8c_story.html

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“There’s two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump,” McCarthy (R-Calif.) said... House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) immediately interjected, stopping the conversation from further exploring McCarthy’s assertion, and swore the Republicans present to secrecy.

...
When initially asked to comment on the exchange, Brendan Buck, a spokesman for Ryan, said: “That never happened,” and Matt Sparks, a spokesman for McCarthy, said: “The idea that McCarthy would assert this is absurd and false.”

After being told that The Post would cite a recording of the exchange, Buck, speaking for the GOP House leadership, said: “This entire year-old exchange was clearly an attempt at humor..." 

Transcript of the tape: http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/documents/national/read-the-transcript-of-the-conversation-among-gop-leaders-obtained-by-the-post/2437/
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: FalseProphet on May 17, 2017, 06:30:20 PM
I voted for him. He is exactly what I thought I would get.

You voted for:

Tax cuts for the rich and increased tax burden for the middle class

Corruption on a level America has never seen before

Companies being allowed to throw poisonous waste into your rivers

Doing away with bank regulations that were enforced to prevent an economical disaster like 2008

a president who gets regularly pulled over the barrel by global players because he is an idiot

outsourcing of jobs

end of net neutrality (you probably do not know what that means)

your country becoming a laughing stock

Mike Pence becoming president this or the next year
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 17, 2017, 06:51:13 PM
Bullwinkle do you think we might see President Pence become reality? And was that a part of your calculus in your vote?

Not at all.

The only prerequisite to holding public office is having big enough brass balls to do it.
From local city council member to President of the USA.

I didn't agree with President Barack Obama's policies or agenda, but he was my President.
He is an intelligent man and passionate in his vision.

When he was elected, I didn't light fires or smash windows or beat the shit out of people.
Sometimes you don't get your way. No reason to act like a special ed kid.

This is not the end of the world.




Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 17, 2017, 06:56:56 PM
I voted for him. He is exactly what I thought I would get.

You voted for:

Tax cuts for the rich and increased tax burden for the middle class

Corruption on a level America has never seen before

Companies being allowed to throw poisonous waste into your rivers

Doing away with bank regulations that were enforced to prevent an economical disaster like 2008

a president who gets regularly pulled over the barrel by global players because he is an idiot

outsourcing of jobs

end of net neutrality (you probably do not know what that means)

your country becoming a laughing stock

Mike Pence becoming president this or the next year


Sexual Penetration Upon You !     ;)
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: boydster on May 17, 2017, 07:16:07 PM
Bullwinkle do you think we might see President Pence become reality? And was that a part of your calculus in your vote?

Not at all.

The only prerequisite to holding public office is having big enough brass balls to do it.
From local city council member to President of the USA.

I didn't agree with President Barack Obama's policies or agenda, but he was my President.
He is an intelligent man and passionate in his vision.

When he was elected, I didn't light fires or smash windows or beat the shit out of people.
Sometimes you don't get your way. No reason to act like a special ed kid.

This is not the end of the world.

When you say you are getting what you expected, do you really mean you expected and chose to support getting ourselves into all the controversy we are now collectively dealing with? Or do you mean something different?

I'm not advocating for Hillary here. That is a separate topic altogether and worthy of it's own thread for discussion. I'm really just curious about the Trump support perspective given the constant storm cloud that seems to be looming over his presidency.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 17, 2017, 07:58:36 PM
Bullwinkle do you think we might see President Pence become reality? And was that a part of your calculus in your vote?

Not at all.

The only prerequisite to holding public office is having big enough brass balls to do it.
From local city council member to President of the USA.

I didn't agree with President Barack Obama's policies or agenda, but he was my President.
He is an intelligent man and passionate in his vision.

When he was elected, I didn't light fires or smash windows or beat the shit out of people.
Sometimes you don't get your way. No reason to act like a special ed kid.

This is not the end of the world.

When you say you are getting what you expected, do you really mean you expected and chose to support getting ourselves into all the controversy we are now collectively dealing with? Or do you mean something different?

I'm not advocating for Hillary here. That is a separate topic altogether and worthy of it's own thread for discussion. I'm really just curious about the Trump support perspective given the constant storm cloud that seems to be looming over his presidency.


I fully expected Democrats to freak the fuck out. I don't back down from bullies.

 
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 17, 2017, 08:02:03 PM
The issue I have is people calling others mentally ill as an insult or to justify behavior they find unacceptable.

Why not attack his policies?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: boydster on May 17, 2017, 08:05:15 PM
More than just Democrats are concerned, though. Some very senior Republicans are also concerned with how the White House has been operating
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: boydster on May 17, 2017, 08:07:57 PM
The issue I have is people calling others mentally ill as an insult or to justify behavior they find unacceptable.

Why not attack his policies?

Yeah I don't like that either. There's enough source material to work with without playing armchair psychologist. Much easier to just say "yeah that Comey thing was kinda fucked up" or whatever other controversy you want to insert.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 17, 2017, 08:18:51 PM
More than just Democrats are concerned, though. Some very senior Republicans are also concerned with how the White House has been operating

Obviously, if they were President, they would do it their way. But, they are not the President.
I'm not sure what you want me to say.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on May 17, 2017, 08:19:44 PM
The issue I have is people calling others mentally ill as an insult or to justify behavior they find unacceptable.

Why not attack his policies?

We've done plenty of that as well.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 17, 2017, 08:44:28 PM
The issue I have is people calling others mentally ill as an insult or to justify behavior they find unacceptable.

Why not attack his policies?

We've done plenty of that as well.

I didn't say you haven't.

My comment was aimed at false prophet.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: FalseProphet on May 17, 2017, 08:57:47 PM
The issue I have is people calling others mentally ill as an insult or to justify behavior they find unacceptable.

Why not attack his policies?

We've done plenty of that as well.

I didn't say you haven't.

My comment was aimed at false prophet.

take this sentence:

"Psychologists say trump is mentally ill"

and google it.

At least the dementia is very obvious even for a layman.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 17, 2017, 09:15:58 PM

take this sentence:

"Psychologists say trump is mentally ill"

and google it.



Oh, I wonder what I will find.   ::)


Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 17, 2017, 09:17:42 PM
I can only find opinion articles.

I will say again.

Please cite Trumps medical records.

Failing that please cite your qualifications in psychology and justification to make that call based on your television and never meeting the guy.


It's also a desperate stretch to call dementia a mental illness. More like entropy.

Also google "is the earth flat"
Or
"Is the queen a reptile."

And get back to me.
Don't believe everything you see or read, even if it's on the holy television.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: FalseProphet on May 17, 2017, 09:36:22 PM
I can only find opinion articles.

I will say again.

Please cite Trumps medical records.

Failing that please cite your qualifications in psychology and justification to make that call based on your television and never meeting the guy.


It's also a desperate stretch to call dementia a mental illness. More like entropy.

Also google "is the earth flat"
Or
"Is the queen a reptile."

And get back to me.
Don't believe everything you see or read, even if it's on the holy television.

The queen is not a reptile, but Hillary Clinton is. Did you see her eyes?

As for Trump, it could also be ADHS. That would explain, why he can read only short and very simple texts and cannot follow a conversation longer than a few minutes. But if you compare his current behaviour with as he was, say, 10 years ago, you will detect an amount of cognitive erosion

I have no medical qualifications, I use a bone oracle that has turned out to be accurate 85% of the time

Regarding Trump's medical records, as everybody knows, he is the most healthy person who has ever run for president.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 17, 2017, 09:44:00 PM
I use a bone oracle that has turned out to be accurate 85% of the time

It's called a dildo.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: FalseProphet on May 17, 2017, 09:46:28 PM
I use a bone oracle that has turned out to be accurate 85% of the time

It's called a dildo.

No, it is called a bone oracle. But it can also be used as a dildo.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 17, 2017, 09:48:06 PM
I use a bone oracle that has turned out to be accurate 85% of the time

It's called a dildo.

No, it is called a bone oracle. But it can also be used as a dildo.


 ;)
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 17, 2017, 11:07:45 PM
The issue I have is people calling others mentally ill as an insult or to justify behavior they find unacceptable.

Sure, but that's not what this is. It's just an observation. A rather important observation, since he happens to be the president of the US. It's not something that should be ignored. You don't need an official diagnosis to notice that he shows textbook signs of NPD.

Edit: And yes, dementia is a mental illness. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DSM-5#Neurocognitive_disorders

Quote
Why not attack his policies?

Too easy. Low hanging fruit. I don't want to touch Trump's low hanging fruit.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 17, 2017, 11:23:37 PM
So just use disgusting blanket terms enforcing the stigma of MI instead?

Sounds about right.

I'd disagree about dementia.
Quote
While it may be splitting hairs to accept one term over the other, the medical definition of a mental disorder as “a physical or mental condition that is not normal or healthy” seems to fit. However, unlike many mental disorders, there are discernible neurological impairments that cause dementia.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 17, 2017, 11:39:48 PM
You don't need an official diagnosis to notice that he shows textbook signs of NPD.


Yes, you actually do. Otherwise any dork on the interweb
could diagnose any disorder at any time for any self-serving reason.

You need to be smarter than a crate of dirt before you diagnose an ailment
by watching selective sound bites on your television.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: FalseProphet on May 17, 2017, 11:48:25 PM
So just use disgusting blanket terms enforcing the stigma of MI instead?

Sounds about right.

I'd disagree about dementia.
Quote
While it may be splitting hairs to accept one term over the other, the medical definition of a mental disorder as “a physical or mental condition that is not normal or healthy” seems to fit. However, unlike many mental disorders, there are discernible neurological impairments that cause dementia.

Totes formulates it well. Saying Trump shows textbook signs of NPD is a legitimate observation. While when I say he has it is indeed an attempt of a diagnosis.

Also, your quote

Quote
However, unlike many mental disorders, there are discernible neurological impairments that cause dementia

does say that dementia is a mental disorder.

In contrast to that, your limited reading ability is not.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 17, 2017, 11:50:14 PM
Yes, you actually do. Otherwise any dork on the interweb
could diagnose any disorder at any time for any self-serving reason.


Actually it's a funny story....

Speaking of reading comprehension prophet, mental disorder ==/== mental illness.

>Everyone I don't like is mentally ill.

Lol.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on May 17, 2017, 11:52:02 PM
mental disorder ==/== mental illness
What's the difference?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: FalseProphet on May 17, 2017, 11:57:06 PM
mental disorder ==/== mental illness
What's the difference?

disorder is professional, illness is layman.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 18, 2017, 12:01:14 AM
I disagree.

You don't call people who are intellectually disabled, mentally ill and vice versa.

For example, I am "mentally ill" and user is intellectually disabled, there is a difference.

I'd classify dementia as an intellectual disability, not a mental illness.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on May 18, 2017, 12:06:11 AM
I disagree.

You don't call people who are intellectually disabled, mentally ill and vice versa.

For example, I am "mentally ill" and user is intellectually disabled, there is a difference.
Yeah, mentally and intellectually is the difference here, I'd say.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: FalseProphet on May 18, 2017, 12:06:45 AM
I disagree.

You don't call people who are intellectually disabled, mentally ill and vice versa.

For example, I am "mentally ill" and user is intellectually disabled, there is a difference.

I'd classify dementia as an intellectual disability, not a mental illness.

No, dementia is a well defined illness, or disorder, if you prefer. Intellectual disability just means you are not that bright.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 18, 2017, 12:13:37 AM
After doing a bit of reading I found mental illnesses called a disease, that's right. A disease.

So I guess call it whatever serves your interests best at the time, if your aim is a coup / civil war, then I suggest playing the mental health card for all it's worth.

Memba the TV has told us that discrimination against MI individuals is just fine.

>Everyone I don't like is mentally ill.

Carry on you two.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on May 18, 2017, 12:15:07 AM
Memba the TV has told us that discrimination against MI individuals is just fine.
You told that yourself so many times that you started to actually believe it.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 18, 2017, 12:18:55 AM
Have you not watched the MSM try to label Trump as MI to discredit him?

We're talking about it right now man.

Are you slow?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on May 18, 2017, 12:21:54 AM
Have you not watched the MSM try to label Trump as MI to discredit him?

We're talking about it right now man.

Are you slow?
Isn't it hypocrite to call others 'slow' and 'intelectually disabled', whilst complaining about people using 'mentally ill' as a negative term?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 18, 2017, 12:24:54 AM
None of you are qualified to make a diagnosis.
It's just your personal opinion backed and bolstered by fake knowledge.

None of you armchair psychiatrists have ever read a single actual textbook on the subject,
yet, you sputter inane shit like a common talk show host.

Pathetic. (probably a disorder.)
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on May 18, 2017, 12:26:54 AM
Pathetic. (probably a disorder.)
What makes you more than an "armchair psychiatrist"?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 18, 2017, 12:27:14 AM
Have you not watched the MSM try to label Trump as MI to discredit him?

We're talking about it right now man.

Are you slow?
Isn't it hypocrite to call others 'slow' and 'intelectually disabled', whilst complaining about people using 'mentally ill' as a negative term?

Yes. I am glad you noticed. The TV has indeed told us not to discriminate against slow people, very good.

Did you realise your point was bunk?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 18, 2017, 12:28:10 AM
None of you are qualified to make a diagnosis.
It's just your personal opinion backed and bolstered by fake knowledge.

None of you armchair psychiatrists have ever read a single actual textbook on the subject,
yet, you sputter inane shit like a common talk show host.

Pathetic. (probably a disorder.)

The MSM has told them it's the right thing to do...
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: FalseProphet on May 18, 2017, 12:46:10 AM
dissypussy, is it really so inconceivable for you, that people may get their information from a variety of sources and develop the ability to compare and evaluate them? And that some of us just call a chicken a bird, because a chickens happens to be a bird?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 18, 2017, 12:47:48 AM
Desperate name calling and strawman argument.

You are 100% correct, a chicken is indeed a type of bird.

Very good.
Have a star.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: FalseProphet on May 18, 2017, 12:52:44 AM

You are 100% correct, a chicken is indeed a type of bird.

Very good.
Have a star.


Ok. Let us start from here.

Imagine the Washington Post would claim:

Quote
Chickens are birds!

Would that turn chickens into non-birds?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 18, 2017, 01:11:11 AM
Another mediocre strawman.

You could actually use a few pointers.

Chickens are classified as birds whether or not the news reports it as true or untrue.

Have another star.


This is an orange.

(Trigger warning do not click)
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 18, 2017, 01:13:47 AM
None of you are qualified to make a diagnosis.
It's just your personal opinion backed and bolstered by fake knowledge.

None of you armchair psychiatrists have ever read a single actual textbook on the subject,
yet, you sputter inane shit like a common talk show host.

Pathetic. (probably a disorder.)

The MSM has told them it's the right thing to do...


Feelings are now more important than facts.
I think I'll go make a cardboard sign and then light someone's car on fire.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 18, 2017, 01:16:33 AM
Feelings are now more important than facts.

Quoted for truth and wisdom.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: FalseProphet on May 18, 2017, 01:27:09 AM
Another mediocre strawman.

You could actually use a few pointers.

Chickens are classified as birds whether or not the news reports it as true or untrue.


Right.

Now imagine somebody claims something.

And it happens to be a claim also made by the media or at least the vast majority of them.

Do you think that it is justified to automatically assume, that he only claims it, because the media claim it, too?

Because that is what you do. Every time. Post after post.

Isn't it hypocritical to accuse other people of presenting strawman arguments when presenting strawman arguments is all what you do?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 18, 2017, 02:00:38 AM
After doing a bit of reading I found mental illnesses called a disease, that's right. A disease.

No shit Sherlock. What else did you think it was?

Quote
So I guess call it whatever serves your interests best at the time, if your aim is a coup / civil war, then I suggest playing the mental health card for all it's worth.

The goal is to have a president that can competently perform the functions of his office. Having NPD, dementia, or being a moron interferes with that and puts the country at risk.

Another mediocre strawman.

You are confusing a metaphor with a strawman. For example, these are strawmen:

Memba the TV has told us that discrimination against MI individuals is just fine.

>Everyone I don't like is mentally ill.
>Everyone I don't like is mentally ill.
So just use disgusting blanket terms enforcing the stigma of MI instead?

Notice how you are arguing against something you imagined people said in order to justify being offended, instead of what they actually said.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 18, 2017, 02:13:51 AM
How has Donald Trump as President effected your life in any measurable way?

(aside from raising your blood pressure?)
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 18, 2017, 02:25:14 AM
How has Donald Trump as President effected your life in any measurable way?

(aside from raising your blood pressure?)

Well, my productivity has gone down because politics is all of a sudden a soap opera.  Other than that, nothing personally, yet.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: FalseProphet on May 18, 2017, 02:31:37 AM
That is a good question. It would deserve its own thread.

Though 100 days is a bit early for measurable effects. Unless Totes is an illegal immigrant. Or a poor farmer in need of illegal immigrants.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 18, 2017, 03:42:37 AM
That is a good question. It would deserve its own thread.

Though 100 days is a bit early for measurable effects. Unless Totes is an illegal immigrant. Or a poor farmer in need of illegal immigrants.

See you're good value after all.

I vote option 2.

How has Donald Trump as President effected your life in any measurable way?

(aside from raising your blood pressure?)

Well, my productivity has gone down because politics is all of a sudden a soap opera.  Other than that, nothing personally, yet.

Who made politics a soap opera Totes?

Was it Trump or was it the MSM devoting 90% of the news to discredit Trump?

I think if we have learned one thing from the last few months, it's that the person we vote for isn't really calling the shots. As False Prophet points out, most people already know this.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: FalseProphet on May 18, 2017, 04:18:14 AM

Who made politics a soap opera Totes?

Was it Trump or was it the MSM devoting 90% of the news to discredit Trump?

I think if we have learned one thing from the last few months, it's that the person we vote for isn't really calling the shots. As False Prophet points out, most people already know this.

I don't know what you think I said.

The media have there part in turning American politics into a sitcom. But not by "discrediting trump" but by their long-standing habit of avoiding the real issues. If they would have covered the elections in a responsible way, it may bot have come so far.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 18, 2017, 05:07:51 AM

Who made politics a soap opera Totes?

Was it Trump or was it the MSM devoting 90% of the news to discredit Trump?

I think if we have learned one thing from the last few months, it's that the person we vote for isn't really calling the shots. As False Prophet points out, most people already know this.

I don't know what you think I said.

The media have there part in turning American politics into a sitcom. But not by "discrediting trump" but by their long-standing habit of avoiding the real issues. If they would have covered the elections in a responsible way, it may bot have come so far.


By, "...not have come so far", do you mean Hillary would have won?
I saw her as cold, calculative and maniacal. Not for the USA but for herself.

I can't speak for other voters, but, she lost.

Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: FalseProphet on May 18, 2017, 05:12:55 AM

Who made politics a soap opera Totes?

Was it Trump or was it the MSM devoting 90% of the news to discredit Trump?

I think if we have learned one thing from the last few months, it's that the person we vote for isn't really calling the shots. As False Prophet points out, most people already know this.

I don't know what you think I said.

The media have there part in turning American politics into a sitcom. But not by "discrediting trump" but by their long-standing habit of avoiding the real issues. If they would have covered the elections in a responsible way, it may bot have come so far.


By, "...not have come so far", do you mean Hillary would have won?
I saw her as cold, calculative and maniacal. Not for the USA but for herself.

I can't speak for other voters, but, she lost.

If they wouldn't have largely ignored Bernie Sanders, he may have had a better chance to win the primaries. But the corporate media hated him from the beginning.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Canadabear on May 18, 2017, 05:19:46 AM

Who made politics a soap opera Totes?

Was it Trump or was it the MSM devoting 90% of the news to discredit Trump?

I think if we have learned one thing from the last few months, it's that the person we vote for isn't really calling the shots. As False Prophet points out, most people already know this.

I don't know what you think I said.

The media have there part in turning American politics into a sitcom. But not by "discrediting trump" but by their long-standing habit of avoiding the real issues. If they would have covered the elections in a responsible way, it may bot have come so far.


By, "...not have come so far", do you mean Hillary would have won?
I saw her as cold, calculative and maniacal. Not for the USA but for herself.

I can't speak for other voters, but, she lost.

not quite, the most of US people voted for her, only with the voting system of the US did she lost.

but thats unimportend.

you can not justify the actions of the President with actions of a President that does not exist.

your argument is only to point away from the criminal actions of Trump
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 18, 2017, 07:29:58 AM

Who made politics a soap opera Totes?

Was it Trump or was it the MSM devoting 90% of the news to discredit Trump?

I think if we have learned one thing from the last few months, it's that the person we vote for isn't really calling the shots. As False Prophet points out, most people already know this.

I don't know what you think I said.

The media have there part in turning American politics into a sitcom. But not by "discrediting trump" but by their long-standing habit of avoiding the real issues. If they would have covered the elections in a responsible way, it may bot have come so far.


By, "...not have come so far", do you mean Hillary would have won?
I saw her as cold, calculative and maniacal. Not for the USA but for herself.

I can't speak for other voters, but, she lost.

not quite, the most of US people voted for her, only with the voting system of the US did she lost.

but thats unimportend.

you can not justify the actions of the President with actions of a President that does not exist.

your argument is only to point away from the criminal actions of Trump


Contrary to whatever bullshit your local news agency is reporting,
President Donald Trump has not committed a crime.

I'm guessing in your country the leader is known even before the ballots are printed.
An apathetic population who believes 93% to 7% is a real election.


Quick lesson on US Federal elections . . .

There is no Federal US election.
The President is elected by the States. Has been that way for for 240+ years. Every Presidential election brings out idiots and dopes who don't understand the how or why it is the way it is. It's not easy to explain, and most Americans are too ignorant to comprehend the basic concept.

Google 'Electoral College'.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: FalseProphet on May 18, 2017, 07:41:52 AM
In my country, whoever can shoot an arrow with a blowpipe in a monkey's bum while balancing on a coconut on top of another coconut becomes prime minister.

We are very happy with this system and you must admit it makes more sense than your 18th century "electoral college".

Trump could never do that.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 18, 2017, 07:44:49 AM
In my country, whoever can shoot an arrow with a blowpipe in a monkey's bum while balancing on a coconut on top of another coconut becomes prime minister.

We are very happy with this system and you must admit it makes more sense than your 18th century "electoral college".

Trump could never do that.


(http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/lol-049.gif) (http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/skype-emoticons.html)

I agree !

Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 18, 2017, 08:06:50 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DADPxtDUwAArEwy.jpg)

If only we could go back to freaking out about these sorts of things.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on May 18, 2017, 08:12:09 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DADPxtDUwAArEwy.jpg)

If only we could go back to freaking out about these sorts of things.

Yeah, or maybe about things like 72 bombs dropped / day in 2016.

But nah, let's better talk about him chewing gum :)
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Canadabear on May 18, 2017, 08:21:47 AM

Who made politics a soap opera Totes?

Was it Trump or was it the MSM devoting 90% of the news to discredit Trump?

I think if we have learned one thing from the last few months, it's that the person we vote for isn't really calling the shots. As False Prophet points out, most people already know this.

I don't know what you think I said.

The media have there part in turning American politics into a sitcom. But not by "discrediting trump" but by their long-standing habit of avoiding the real issues. If they would have covered the elections in a responsible way, it may bot have come so far.


By, "...not have come so far", do you mean Hillary would have won?
I saw her as cold, calculative and maniacal. Not for the USA but for herself.

I can't speak for other voters, but, she lost.

not quite, the most of US people voted for her, only with the voting system of the US did she lost.

but thats unimportend.

you can not justify the actions of the President with actions of a President that does not exist.

your argument is only to point away from the criminal actions of Trump


Contrary to whatever bullshit your local news agency is reporting,
President Donald Trump has not committed a crime.


how do you know that?
he is at the moment not in court for what he did bud you can not for sure say he did not committed a crime.

Quote

I'm guessing in your country the leader is known even before the ballots are printed.
An apathetic population who believes 93% to 7% is a real election.


in the country where i grew up an i am allowed to vote the people vote for different parties, the government is that put together with people that represent the percentage of the votes.
each party get as many seats in relation as they have votes.
for example if a party gets 30% of all votes they get 30% of the seats
this parliament than votes for a leader.

that is it explained in 3 sentences

Quote

Quick lesson on US Federal elections . . .

There is no Federal US election.
The President is elected by the States. Has been that way for for 240+ years. Every Presidential election brings out idiots and dopes who don't understand the how or why it is the way it is. It's not easy to explain, and most Americans are too ignorant to comprehend the basic concept.

Google 'Electoral College'.

i understand, with that system it is possible that somebody can be president even he does not get the most votes from the people.

why are you bring all that up.

as i said, it does not madder how the election system works in USA.

What madders is Trumps actions.

he tries to make a politic that is against the normal people and benefits greatly the rich people and his own businesses.


Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: FalseProphet on May 18, 2017, 08:31:11 AM

Contrary to whatever bullshit your local news agency is reporting,
President Donald Trump has not committed a crime.


how do you know that?
he is at the moment not in court for what he did bud you can not for sure say he did not committed a crime.


It is really hard to understand why what Trump does is not a crime in America.

I mean, my country is notoriously corrupt, but at least they have to hide it. But in the USA there seems to be no law against doing politics for one's own benefits.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Dog on May 18, 2017, 09:21:04 AM
"Obama caught chewing gum"
"Obama uses Arugula, what's Arugula? Who does he think he is?"
"Obama orders a cheeseburger without ketchup, what is that?"
"Obama has the nerve to wear a tan suit"
"Barack and Michelle celebrate with terrorist fist-jab?"

Barack's response: "..."

"17 federal agencies confirm Russian election tampering in favor of Trump"
"Trump blatantly lies about number of fraudulent voters in election"
"Trump fills his cabinet with cronies after talking about draining the swamp"
"Trump continues to hide his tax returns for some reason"
"Trump wants to keep America safe, now wants to sell $350bn in arms to Saudi Arabia, the terrorist-funding country"
"Trump and Pence lied about not knowing Flynn was compromised. Hired him anyway."
"Trump asks Comey to pledge his unwavering loyalty to him"
"Trump asks Comey to stop investigating Flynn, even though Trump know he's compromised, because "he's a good guy""
"Trump fires Comey for continuing to investigate his ties to Russia"
"Trump shares highly-classified intel with Kislyak, a suspected Russian spy"
"McCarthy swears Trump is getting paychecks from Putin and Paul Ryan tells him to keep it hush hush.... 12 months ago."

Trump: "People are so mean to me!"

Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 18, 2017, 10:07:31 AM

i understand, with that system it is possible that somebody can be president even he does not get the most votes from the people.


Our President is chosen by the States. Not by popular vote.



What matters is Trumps actions.

He tries to make a politic that is against the normal people and benefits greatly the rich people and his own businesses.


That's the opinion of people who don't like him. The people who lost the election.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Barry B. Benson on May 18, 2017, 10:26:46 AM
Hillary sent some e-mails through the wrong e-mail direction and she's a traitor.

Trump steals a fifth of his campaign cash, promotes racism, islamophobia and homophobia, and attempts to turn the Presidency of the United States into his personal gold mine, and he's the savior of the country.

Are we crazy yet?


Thank you so much. Exactly. I don't support him, nor do I support said people.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Canadabear on May 18, 2017, 10:27:39 AM

i understand, with that system it is possible that somebody can be president even he does not get the most votes from the people.


Our President is chosen by the States. Not by popular vote.


i wrote that i understand that, but the truth is also that in total of vote count he did not got the most votes.
he did not simply acknowledge that, he claimed that is because of voter fraud, and that was a claim without any evidence.

Quote


What matters is Trumps actions.

He tries to make a politic that is against the normal people and benefits greatly the rich people and his own businesses.


That's the opinion of people who don't like him. The people who lost the election.

more and more people see this and do not approve anymore with him.
he simply deny this and calls it all fake news.


all his actions shows that he has no clue what to do as a president.
he try to run a country like his family business

and like he got a few times bankrupt with his businesses, he will also make the country bankrupt.

Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 18, 2017, 10:31:03 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_-4x2wU0AA6TLu.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAHMuo5U0AAzOjD.jpg)

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/turkey-erdogan-protests-washington-woman-bodyguard-choked-death-threat-a7743191.html
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 18, 2017, 11:26:35 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAH54_LXgAAkwLP.jpg)

I really do not like Salon, but this cracked me up for some reason.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on May 18, 2017, 11:27:45 AM
Space cow, please resize your pics before posting them. Thank you :)
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 18, 2017, 11:37:57 AM
They don't stretch the page.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on May 18, 2017, 11:40:17 AM
They don't stretch the page.
I didn't say they do so.
But they're annoyingly big.

But hey, it was just a friendly request, of course you can post them as big as you like.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: FalseProphet on May 18, 2017, 11:46:38 AM
iphones are annoying.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 18, 2017, 11:48:19 AM

i understand, with that system it is possible that somebody can be president even he does not get the most votes from the people.


Our President is chosen by the States. Not by popular vote.


i wrote that i understand that, but the truth is also that in total of vote count he did not got the most votes.
he did not simply acknowledge that, he claimed that is because of voter fraud, and that was a claim without any evidence.

Quote


What matters is Trumps actions.

He tries to make a politic that is against the normal people and benefits greatly the rich people and his own businesses.


That's the opinion of people who don't like him. The people who lost the election.

more and more people see this and do not approve anymore with him.
he simply deny this and calls it all fake news.


all his actions shows that he has no clue what to do as a president.
he try to run a country like his family business

and like he got a few times bankrupt with his businesses, he will also make the country bankrupt.


Aw, fuck it - you win.   ::)
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on May 18, 2017, 11:58:45 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAH54_LXgAAkwLP.jpg)

I really do not like Salon, but this cracked me up for some reason.

So Trump is going to a concert with country music, no women, no alcohol and no drugs. 

Party?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on May 18, 2017, 01:16:53 PM
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/05/net-neutrality-goes-down-in-flames-as-fcc-votes-to-kill-title-ii-rules/

Tremendously bigly day for Comcast and Verizon!

#MAGA!
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: disputeone on May 18, 2017, 03:19:54 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DADPxtDUwAArEwy.jpg)

If only we could go back to freaking out about these sorts of things.

Yeah, or maybe about things like 72 bombs dropped / day in 2016.

Says the guy fighting with all his heart and soul to let them keep dropping 72 bombs a day.

Lol.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on May 18, 2017, 09:40:04 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DADPxtDUwAArEwy.jpg)

If only we could go back to freaking out about these sorts of things.

Yeah, or maybe about things like 72 bombs dropped / day in 2016.

Says the guy fighting with all his heart and soul to let them keep dropping 72 bombs a day.

Lol.
There it is again: The dishonesty and desperetaly trying to be a prick.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 19, 2017, 11:02:11 AM
How has Donald Trump as President effected your life in any measurable way?

(aside from raising your blood pressure?)

Well, my productivity has gone down because politics is all of a sudden a soap opera.  Other than that, nothing personally, yet.

Who made politics a soap opera Totes?

Was it Trump or was it the MSM devoting 90% of the news to discredit Trump?

Hey, I'm not complaining about the free entertainment.

But yeah, how dare the press report the stupid things Trump does! He deserves to only have nice things said about him! So unfair! Sad!   /sarcasm

Quote
I think if we have learned one thing from the last few months, it's that the person we vote for isn't really calling the shots. As False Prophet points out, most people already know this.

Yeah, that's because we vote for a president, not a king. Most people already know this because we teach it in middle school.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on May 19, 2017, 01:00:29 PM
In today's episode of the Trump show there's another one of his inner circle that's in collusion with Russia. But we don't know who yet. Damn it they've learn how use cliffhangers!

Russia probe reaches current White House official, people familiar with the case say
http://wapo.st/2q4LsjB
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Canadabear on May 19, 2017, 01:08:02 PM
In today's episode of the Trump show there's another one of his inner circle that's in collusion with Russia. But we don't know who yet. Damn it they've learn how use cliffhangers!

Russia probe reaches current White House official, people familiar with the case say
http://wapo.st/2q4LsjB

i am sure he and his complete staff is paid by the russians.
therefor it would not help if only trump get kicked out, also his complete following staff (from Pence to his daughter) needs to be kicked out of the white house.
i would say the best way would be a reelection.
In the mean time: bring Obama back.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on May 19, 2017, 01:19:29 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_line_of_succession

This is an interest list.  There's no one on this list that I can say with complete confidence isn't tainted by the Russians.  Not too surprising since they're all Trump appointees.  I'm guessing if Trump stepped down that he would try to appoint Ivanka as the next president.  Democrats would try to explain that the president isn't the same thing as a monarch.  While Fox News defended the decision as totally awesome.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 19, 2017, 01:33:56 PM

i am sure he and his complete staff is paid by the russians.


Sure?




i would say the best way would be a reelection.


Or Chicken Bingo? 




In the mean time: bring Obama back.


We have laws.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Pezevenk on May 20, 2017, 05:11:33 AM


In the mean time: bring Obama back.


We have laws.

Pffff. Russia had "laws" as well. Putin's still up there after all these years.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Shifter on May 21, 2017, 02:29:19 PM
Why does America need Obama back? No one else in the 350+ million people qualified to do the job?

Just put 'The Rock' in. He could solve the North Korea issue lifting just one eyebrow at Mr Kim.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: FalseProphet on May 21, 2017, 02:38:34 PM
Why does America need Obama back? No one else in the 350+ million people qualified to do the job?

Just put 'The Rock' in. He could solve the North Korea issue lifting just one eyebrow at Mr Kim.

You know that he wants to run for president in 2020?

No joke.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 21, 2017, 02:46:20 PM
That was a joke for SNL.

America doesn't need Obama back, that would be against one of our core beliefs about democracy. Term limits are important. America does need someone like him, not necessarily someone with the same policies, but someone with the same temperament, the same kind of seriousness, similar intelligence.   
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Canadabear on May 21, 2017, 09:06:55 PM

i am sure he and his complete staff is paid by the russians.


Sure?

yes I am sure, Flynn is the first one that we saw prove that he got paid by the Russians and the turkey.
Quote






i would say the best way would be a reelection.


Or Chicken Bingo? 


Stupid answer, the trump supporter are against reelection because they know they will lose big times.
Quote





In the mean time: bring Obama back.


We have laws.

Exactly, and for breaking law Trump belongs in jail as also his complete staff.

And I also say that people that still support Trump are either stupid or that Kind of people that only work for their own profit at the cost of other people.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Shifter on May 21, 2017, 11:09:34 PM
That was a joke for SNL.

That's a shame. Hopefully they were semi serious and just putting it out there 'as a joke' just to field the responses they would get.

Certainly would be better than the alternative. Wasn't Kayne West supposed to run in 2020?  ;D
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 22, 2017, 12:05:14 AM

i am sure he and his complete staff is paid by the russians.


Sure?

yes I am sure, Flynn is the first one that we saw prove that he got paid by the Russians and the turkey.
Quote






i would say the best way would be a reelection.


Or Chicken Bingo? 


Stupid answer, the trump supporter are against reelection because they know they will lose big times.
Quote





In the mean time: bring Obama back.


We have laws.

Exactly, and for breaking law Trump belongs in jail as also his complete staff.

And I also say that people that still support Trump are either stupid or that Kind of people that only work for their own profit at the cost of other people.


Does your butt-fuck country even have a Constitution?

Or, do you all just meander from coup to coup?

You seem to think everything is just made up on the fly.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: FalseProphet on May 22, 2017, 04:06:06 AM
The american constitution seems to be like a holy text. no matter how outdated it is, it may be amended (like the holy books of the Mormons), but it can't be changed.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Pezevenk on May 22, 2017, 04:27:17 AM
The american constitution seems to be like a holy text. no matter how outdated it is, it may be amended (like the holy books of the Mormons), but it can't be changed.

Amend it enough times and it will change.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 22, 2017, 09:06:38 AM
The american constitution seems to be like a holy text. no matter how outdated it is, it may be amended (like the holy books of the Mormons), but it can't be changed.


Guaranteed rights and freedom never go out of style.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 22, 2017, 09:41:39 AM
The Constitution is an important part of the American mythos. It is like a holy text, in a way. Most of what is written in it should never become outdated. It is very difficult to change for a good reason, we can't have it changing every time the wind blows one way or another.

I do wish the people who claim to love it would use it to defend everyone, especially those they disagree with. For instance, many people who claim the right to free speech would shut down speech they disagree with (this happens on the left and the right).  I wish someone somewhere would take an civil asset forfeiture case to the Supreme Court, we're supposed to be protected from unreasonable search and seizure by the Constitution. I'm sure there are more things!
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 22, 2017, 10:24:50 AM
I wish someone somewhere would take an civil asset forfeiture case to the Supreme Court, we're supposed to be protected from unreasonable search and seizure by the Constitution.


Hard to hire an attorney after the gubberment takes all your money away.   ;)
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: FalseProphet on May 22, 2017, 12:30:13 PM
The american constitution seems to be like a holy text. no matter how outdated it is, it may be amended (like the holy books of the Mormons), but it can't be changed.


Guaranteed rights and freedom never go out of style.

The real problem in the US is that you have neither coconuts nor monkeys.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on May 22, 2017, 02:44:22 PM
What an amazing time to be alive.

https://twitter.com/RealAlexJones/status/866725092591579136

Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 22, 2017, 03:09:39 PM
Hopefully he'll get to the bottom of the gay frogs.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 22, 2017, 03:55:11 PM
What an amazing time to be alive.

https://twitter.com/RealAlexJones/status/866725092591579136

Weekly reminder that Trump is an utter moron.

I'm curious if this came straight from Trump, or if there is someone else in the administration stupid/malicious enough to give this guy a platform. 
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on May 22, 2017, 04:18:08 PM
What an amazing time to be alive.

https://twitter.com/RealAlexJones/status/866725092591579136

Weekly reminder that Trump is an utter moron.

I'm curious if this came straight from Trump, or if there is someone else in the administration stupid/malicious enough to give this guy a platform.

You say that like their intentions were bad.  Maybe they were trying to give us a bit levity after this news.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/05/22/trumps-plans-to-cut-food-stamps-could-hit-his-supporters-hardest/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_wb-foodstamps-255pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.1c42f3def42f
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 22, 2017, 05:11:29 PM
Trump told a room full of Israelis (in Israel) that he just got  back from the Middle East lol https://twitter.com/i/videos/tweet/866760458010849280
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Canadabear on May 23, 2017, 04:26:09 AM

i am sure he and his complete staff is paid by the russians.


Sure?

yes I am sure, Flynn is the first one that we saw prove that he got paid by the Russians and the turkey.
Quote






i would say the best way would be a reelection.


Or Chicken Bingo? 


Stupid answer, the trump supporter are against reelection because they know they will lose big times.
Quote





In the mean time: bring Obama back.


We have laws.

Exactly, and for breaking law Trump belongs in jail as also his complete staff.

And I also say that people that still support Trump are either stupid or that Kind of people that only work for their own profit at the cost of other people.


Does your butt-fuck country even have a Constitution?

Or, do you all just meander from coup to coup?

You seem to think everything is just made up on the fly.

what is your problem?

you look like the real american Redneck: you do not know anything about other countries.

the only defence you have for your country is insults.

this kind of defence only shows that you have no other argument.

do you always argue this way?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on May 23, 2017, 10:16:11 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/05/23/evil-losers-trump-joins-world-leaders-in-condemning-manchester-terrorist-attack/?utm_term=.0e3a66439378

"Evil losers".  I love it.  I'm not being sarcastic or ironic here.  I think it beats evil doers. 

Compared to how badly he's botched things so far this trip he's on is going relatively well.  He hasn't said anything seriously embarrassing.  The Saudis seem to really like him.  If I were Trump I'd consider just staying there. 
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: FalseProphet on May 23, 2017, 10:32:42 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/05/23/evil-losers-trump-joins-world-leaders-in-condemning-manchester-terrorist-attack/?utm_term=.0e3a66439378

"Evil losers".  I love it.  I think it beats evil doers.  Compared to how badly he's botched things so far this trip he's on is going relatively well.  He hasn't said anything seriously embarrassing.  The Saudis seem to really like him.  If I were Trump I'd consider just staying there.

Not anything seriously embarrassing? Netanyahu may disagree.

The speech for the Saudis, I guess, was well written (by Steven Miller, who hates Muslims!), and Trump performed it well. He actually has a likable way of intonation when he does not babble like a moron.

But actually the speech was the most hypocritical thing I've ever heard. The Saudis are the biggest supporters of terrorism, they conduct a genocide against the Shiites in Yemen. And what does Trump do? He pours oil n the fire by accusing Syria and Iran of being the main supporters of terrorism, though they both fight ISIS, while the Saudis (and Turkey) secretly help them. So instead of fighting terrorism and struggling for peace in the Middle East, the whole speech was for drawing hostility to the Shiites and pushing for the proxy wars in the region instead of ending them.

And then he made a big weapon deal with them, of course. If they really wanted peace, give weapons to the Saudis is the last thing you would do.

I really have no words for that.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Canadabear on May 23, 2017, 10:44:43 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/05/23/evil-losers-trump-joins-world-leaders-in-condemning-manchester-terrorist-attack/?utm_term=.0e3a66439378

"Evil losers".  I love it.  I think it beats evil doers.  Compared to how badly he's botched things so far this trip he's on is going relatively well.  He hasn't said anything seriously embarrassing.  The Saudis seem to really like him.  If I were Trump I'd consider just staying there.

Not anything seriously embarrassing? Netanyahu may disagree.

The speech for the Saudis, I guess, was well written (by Steven Miller, who hates Muslims!), and Trump performed it well. He actually has a likable way of intonation when he does not babble like a moron.

But actually the speech was the most hypocritical thing I've ever heard. The Saudis are the biggest supporters of terrorism, they conduct a genocide against the Shiites in Yemen. And what does Trump do? He pours oil n the fire by accusing Syria and Iran of being the main supporters of terrorism, though they both fight ISIS, while the Saudis (and Turkey) secretly help them. So instead of fighting terrorism and struggling for peace in the Middle East, the whole speech was for drawing hostility to the Shiites and pushing for the proxy wars in the region instead of ending them.

And then he made a big weapon deal with them, of course. If they really wanted peace, give weapons to the Saudis is the last thing you would do.

I really have no words for that.

maybe that is Trumps final plan.
He supports Saudia Arabia that supports the terrorism, so he can increase the military of the US and build up a Dictatorship in the USA.
Why did he put his Daughter and her husband in so many important positions.
I would be not surprised if at one day Kushner will inherit the position of President from Trump.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on May 23, 2017, 10:49:36 AM
maybe that is Trumps final plan.
He supports Saudia Arabia that supports the terrorism, so he can increase the military of the US and build up a Dictatorship in the USA.
Why did he put his Daughter and her husband in so many important positions.
I would be not surprised if at one day Kushner will inherit the position of President from Trump.
It's not like there has ever been a us president that did not support saudi arabia. He's just doing what every president has been doing.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 23, 2017, 11:07:22 AM
Compared to how badly he's botched things so far this trip he's on is going relatively well.  He hasn't said anything seriously embarrassing.

sigh

“Just so you understand, I never mentioned the word or the name Israel,” (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/05/23/trumps-bad-habit-of-confirming-bad-news-sometimes-by-accident/?utm_term=.18963f9e8158), he said, once more accidentally confirming a key point of speculation in a flailing attempt at denial.

Quote
The Saudis seem to really like him.  If I were Trump I'd consider just staying there.

I highly recommend listening to the NPR Politics podcast (http://www.npr.org/podcasts/510310/npr-politics-podcast) "President Trump Overseas". They do a great job characterizing the trip without going overboard with the sensationalism.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Canadabear on May 23, 2017, 11:15:27 AM
maybe that is Trumps final plan.
He supports Saudia Arabia that supports the terrorism, so he can increase the military of the US and build up a Dictatorship in the USA.
Why did he put his Daughter and her husband in so many important positions.
I would be not surprised if at one day Kushner will inherit the position of President from Trump.
It's not like there has ever been a us president that did not support saudi arabia. He's just doing what every president has been doing.

i could now say that Trump could support Slavery, because there where former Presidents that supported Slavery.
but I do not argue that way, that kind of arguing is stupid, because if somebode can not justify his actions with the actions of somebody else.
That acting like in Kindergarten.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on May 23, 2017, 11:18:48 AM
i could now say that Trump could support Slavery, because there where former Presidents that supported Slavery.
but I do not argue that way, that kind of arguing is stupid, because if somebode can not justify his actions with the actions of somebody else.
That acting like in Kindergarten.
You are confusing things. I have not tried to justifiy his action by saying others have done it before. I just wanted tho show you that every us president supports saudi arabia, but this: "so he can increase the military of the US and build up a Dictatorship in the USA." hasn't happened.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: FalseProphet on May 23, 2017, 11:21:17 AM
maybe that is Trumps final plan.
He supports Saudia Arabia that supports the terrorism, so he can increase the military of the US and build up a Dictatorship in the USA.
Why did he put his Daughter and her husband in so many important positions.
I would be not surprised if at one day Kushner will inherit the position of President from Trump.
It's not like there has ever been a us president that did not support saudi arabia. He's just doing what every president has been doing.

i could now say that Trump could support Slavery, because there where former Presidents that supported Slavery.
but I do not argue that way, that kind of arguing is stupid, because if somebode can not justify his actions with the actions of somebody else.
That acting like in Kindergarten.

I think what User wants to say is that the trump administration just continues the politics of its predecessors. That's true in a way, but the obvious abandoning of any credible stance against ISIS and targeting the Shiite enemies of them instead is something new, it goes far beyond what Obama did, who really tried to make peace with Iran.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 23, 2017, 11:40:43 AM
The sad thing is that Trump's condemnation of Saudi Arabia was one of the only good things about him (not that I ever believed he was sincere). He only condemned the Sauds because Hillary had a history of working with them. Now that they threw him a bunch of parades and ceremonies, he's never going to stop talking about how great they treated him. Ugh, it's so easy to manipulate a stupid narcissist.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Canadabear on May 23, 2017, 11:41:11 AM
i could now say that Trump could support Slavery, because there where former Presidents that supported Slavery.
but I do not argue that way, that kind of arguing is stupid, because if somebode can not justify his actions with the actions of somebody else.
That acting like in Kindergarten.
You are confusing things. I have not tried to justifiy his action by saying others have done it before. I just wanted tho show you that every us president supports saudi arabia, but this: "so he can increase the military of the US and build up a Dictatorship in the USA." hasn't happened.

the first part is part of his budget plan, the second part we have to wait for.


maybe that is Trumps final plan.
He supports Saudia Arabia that supports the terrorism, so he can increase the military of the US and build up a Dictatorship in the USA.
Why did he put his Daughter and her husband in so many important positions.
I would be not surprised if at one day Kushner will inherit the position of President from Trump.
It's not like there has ever been a us president that did not support saudi arabia. He's just doing what every president has been doing.

i could now say that Trump could support Slavery, because there where former Presidents that supported Slavery.
but I do not argue that way, that kind of arguing is stupid, because if somebode can not justify his actions with the actions of somebody else.
That acting like in Kindergarten.

I think what User wants to say is that the trump administration just continues the politics of its predecessors. That's true in a way, but the obvious abandoning of any credible stance against ISIS and targeting the Shiite enemies of them instead is something new, it goes far beyond what Obama did, who really tried to make peace with Iran.

the big problem is that he was bragging before that Obama did everything wrong and he will destroy ISIS in a very short time.
the only thing he does at the moment whining about how hard this job is and that he is to tired to do speeches. (i which he is anyway mostly is whining how unfair he is treated)
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 23, 2017, 12:50:23 PM
If Trump gets his way with the budget NASA will not be able to afford to pay the shills! https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2017/05/22/trump-budget-seeks-huge-cuts-to-disease-prevention-and-medical-research-departments/?utm_term=.a019bc48dfd4  Oh and also people will die.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on May 23, 2017, 02:07:51 PM
If Trump gets his way with the budget NASA will not be able to afford to pay the shills! https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2017/05/22/trump-budget-seeks-huge-cuts-to-disease-prevention-and-medical-research-departments/?utm_term=.a019bc48dfd4  Oh and also people will die.

It's one of those things that makes me think Trump puts very little thought into these things.  This disproportionately hurts the people that voted for him.  It's like they're trying to take the onion rings, bacon strips and barbecue sauce off of the delicious Western Bacon Cheeseburger© that is our high tech economy.

Cutting the shill money!  That deserves it's own protest.  Without NASA shill money I'll have to rely on Carl's Jr. shill money.

sigh

Fart?

I'm aware of all of that.  Objectively, yeah, a lot of gaffes.  By Trump standards?  It's about as good as can be expected.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Shifter on May 23, 2017, 02:46:45 PM
If Trump gets his way with the budget NASA will not be able to afford to pay the shills!

 >:( He's gone too far this time!!! I need my shill money!
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Pezevenk on May 24, 2017, 12:02:21 AM
If Trump gets his way with the budget NASA will not be able to afford to pay the shills! https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2017/05/22/trump-budget-seeks-huge-cuts-to-disease-prevention-and-medical-research-departments/?utm_term=.a019bc48dfd4  Oh and also people will die.
FUCK!!!

(About the shill part, not about the dead people, I don't care about them because I'm a greedy piece of shit).
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 24, 2017, 10:55:01 AM
A $2 trillion error, no biggie! http://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/trump-team-stands-budget-s-2-trillion-math-error-n763996
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on May 24, 2017, 11:00:04 AM
Space cow, what do you think about trump calling terrorists "evil losers"?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 24, 2017, 11:07:23 AM
sigh

Fart?

yes :(
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 24, 2017, 11:10:47 AM
Space cow, what do you think about trump calling terrorists "evil losers"?

Well, that doesn't bother me. They are evil losers.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on May 24, 2017, 11:15:42 AM
Space cow, what do you think about trump calling terrorists "evil losers"?

Well, that doesn't bother me. They are evil losers.
Okay, I agree.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 24, 2017, 11:18:12 AM
Space cow, what do you think about trump calling terrorists "evil losers"?

Before you answer that, here's a fun list of tweets to browse: https://twitter.com/search?q=from%3ArealDonaldtrump%20loser&src=typd.

Edit: too late :(
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on May 24, 2017, 11:19:45 AM
Space cow, what do you think about trump calling terrorists "evil losers"?

Before you answer that, here's a fun list of tweets to browse: https://twitter.com/search?q=from%3ArealDonaldtrump%20loser&src=typd.

Well, if you only know a few hundred words, how could you possibly do better?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Canadabear on May 24, 2017, 11:41:02 AM
Space cow, what do you think about trump calling terrorists "evil losers"?

Before you answer that, here's a fun list of tweets to browse: https://twitter.com/search?q=from%3ArealDonaldtrump%20loser&src=typd.

Edit: too late :(

the biggest loser calls other loser.
he talks like a 5 year old and he has the mind of a baby.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 24, 2017, 12:02:26 PM
Space cow, what do you think about trump calling terrorists "evil losers"?

Before you answer that, here's a fun list of tweets to browse: https://twitter.com/search?q=from%3ArealDonaldtrump%20loser&src=typd.

Edit: too late :(

He never called his friend Howard Stern a loser!
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on May 25, 2017, 12:25:18 AM
Not exactly a Trump story.  Just thought I'd put this here.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2017/05/24/republican-candidate-in-montana-race-body-slams-reporter-prompting-police-investigation/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_montana909pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.2231f7b2fff8

Basically Gianforte who is running for congress is hounded by a reporter so he body slams him.  No serious injury.  But he's being charged with misdemeanor assault.  His defense: "That guy was a liberal".

The race is very tight with Gianforte having a slight lead.  The polls close tomorrow.

Now the question is has this outburst just lost him the race or will it actually help him win it?

If it's the latter then I foresee a bright future for martial arts studios training reporters to defend themselves against politicians.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 25, 2017, 10:28:14 AM
Poor Gianforte couldn't have picked a worse time beat the shit out of a reporter. Trump hasn't publicly said anything stupid for a solid 24 hours, and the anti-Trump media machine was starting to show minor withdrawal symptoms. He's like a crack-coated Big Mac with crunchy meth fillings to them.

Now the question is has this outburst just lost him the race or will it actually help him win it?

There's no way he will win an election after assaulting a reporter... is what I would have said last year before we went down the rabbit hole.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on May 25, 2017, 10:39:35 AM
If he wins, suddenly the Rock's idea of running for president is making immensely good sense.  Maybe Chuck Norris will run for office also.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Pezevenk on May 25, 2017, 10:49:56 AM
Not exactly a Trump story.  Just thought I'd put this here.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2017/05/24/republican-candidate-in-montana-race-body-slams-reporter-prompting-police-investigation/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_montana909pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.2231f7b2fff8

Basically Gianforte who is running for congress is hounded by a reporter so he body slams him.  No serious injury.  But he's being charged with misdemeanor assault.  His defense: "That guy was a liberal".

The race is very tight with Gianforte having a slight lead.  The polls close tomorrow.

Now the question is has this outburst just lost him the race or will it actually help him win it?

If it's the latter then I foresee a bright future for martial arts studios training reporters to defend themselves against politicians.

Hold on. He body slammed him? What?

Now I have a picture in my head of Gianforte being followed by the reporter, walking into a dark alleyway, the reporter losing him, only to suddenly hear him shout "WHY ARE YOU FOLLOWING ME??" on top of a lamp post above his head, and then belly flopping onto him.

Meanwhile in Greece someone blew up a former prime minister.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 25, 2017, 11:04:30 AM
If he wins, suddenly the Rock's idea of running for president is making immensely good sense.  Maybe Chuck Norris will run for office also.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/VbnuzDfBdxk/hqdefault.jpg)

Meanwhile in Greece someone blew up a former prime minister.

It's comforting to know that we can always take solace in the words: "at least we aren't Greece".
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on May 25, 2017, 11:07:04 AM

Hold on. He body slammed him? What?

Now I have a picture in my head of Gianforte being followed by the reporter, walking into a dark alleyway, the reporter losing him, only to suddenly hear him shout "WHY ARE YOU FOLLOWING ME??" on top of a lamp post above his head, and then belly flopping onto him.

Meanwhile in Greece someone blew up a former prime minister.

That's, um, one way to win an argument.

Regrettably we don't have any video of this incident.  I'm not sure why he decided to use a body slam.  If I had to pick a technique to use I think it would be a head butt.

It's a politician that lost his temper and acted foolishly.  That's notable.  But it's not what's interesting to me.  What's interesting is going to be the voters reaction to it.  Ideally voters would decide to vote for a candidate who uses less body slams and more words to win arguments.  Trump has spent the last year calling the Press the enemy of the American people.  A lot of his supporters are buying into it.  It wouldn't surprise me if this actually helps him win. 

The penalty for assaulting someone like this is a maximum of $500 or six months in prison.  If, hypothetically, a politician could get a 5 point bump in the polls for a stunt like this then it's probably a prudent thing to do so.  It kind of reminds me of early American history when dueling was legal. 
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 25, 2017, 11:17:23 AM
There were some Fox News reporters there, they describe what happened http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/24/greg-gianforte-fox-news-team-witnesses-gop-house-candidate-body-slam-reporter.html

Gianforte is trying to spin it that Jacob made the first move, but even Fox News isn't backing him on that.

Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Pezevenk on May 25, 2017, 11:42:48 AM

Hold on. He body slammed him? What?

Now I have a picture in my head of Gianforte being followed by the reporter, walking into a dark alleyway, the reporter losing him, only to suddenly hear him shout "WHY ARE YOU FOLLOWING ME??" on top of a lamp post above his head, and then belly flopping onto him.

Meanwhile in Greece someone blew up a former prime minister.

That's, um, one way to win an argument.

Regrettably we don't have any video of this incident.  I'm not sure why he decided to use a body slam.  If I had to pick a technique to use I think it would be a head butt.

It's a politician that lost his temper and acted foolishly.  That's notable.  But it's not what's interesting to me.  What's interesting is going to be the voters reaction to it.  Ideally voters would decide to vote for a candidate who uses less body slams and more words to win arguments.  Trump has spent the last year calling the Press the enemy of the American people.  A lot of his supporters are buying into it.  It wouldn't surprise me if this actually helps him win. 

The penalty for assaulting someone like this is a maximum of $500 or six months in prison.  If, hypothetically, a politician could get a 5 point bump in the polls for a stunt like this then it's probably a prudent thing to do so.  It kind of reminds me of early American history when dueling was legal.
For anyone who's curious:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40052213

Look, I don't know what you think about it, but a body slam is a pretty unusual technique to attack reporters. I'd love to have seen a video, but the audio is hilarious in itself.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 25, 2017, 03:08:41 PM
http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/bombshell-montana-assault-witness-changes-story-admits-no-neck-grab/

One of the Fox News witnesses has changed her story (after telling the same one a few times).

Quote
“At that point, Gianforte grabbed Jacobs by the neck with both hands and slammed him into the ground behind him,” she wrote, “Faith, Keith and I watched in disbelief as Gianforte then began punching the reporter. As Gianforte moved on top of Jacobs, he began yelling something to the effect of, ‘I’m sick and tired of this!'”

Now her story is -

Quote
Details from Acuna's report quickly went viral online, but she said Thursday during an interview on "The Laura Ingraham Show" that she misstated the neck grab.

"One of you guys said last night that he put his hands around his neck," Ingraham said. "Which, as somebody who's done a lot of taekwondo and self-defense, to me that seemed, that might not be exactly right."

"You know, and I'm the one who said that," Acuna replied, "I saw both his hands go up, not around his neck in a strangling type of way, but more just on each side of his neck, just grabbed him and I guess it could've been on his clothes, I don't know."

Ingraham asked Acuna if that meant she was changing her story.

"Again, just to clarify, he didn't grab him by the neck with both hands in the way that was initially described, that's not quite accurate," Ingraham asked at the end of the interview.

"​No, so it wasn't like he grabbed him around the neck, he had one hand on each side of his neck," Acuna confirmed.

lol
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on May 25, 2017, 03:50:00 PM
http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/bombshell-montana-assault-witness-changes-story-admits-no-neck-grab/

One of the Fox News witnesses has changed her story (after telling the same one a few times).

Quote
“At that point, Gianforte grabbed Jacobs by the neck with both hands and slammed him into the ground behind him,” she wrote, “Faith, Keith and I watched in disbelief as Gianforte then began punching the reporter. As Gianforte moved on top of Jacobs, he began yelling something to the effect of, ‘I’m sick and tired of this!'”

Now her story is -

Quote
Details from Acuna's report quickly went viral online, but she said Thursday during an interview on "The Laura Ingraham Show" that she misstated the neck grab.

"One of you guys said last night that he put his hands around his neck," Ingraham said. "Which, as somebody who's done a lot of taekwondo and self-defense, to me that seemed, that might not be exactly right."

"You know, and I'm the one who said that," Acuna replied, "I saw both his hands go up, not around his neck in a strangling type of way, but more just on each side of his neck, just grabbed him and I guess it could've been on his clothes, I don't know."

Ingraham asked Acuna if that meant she was changing her story.

"Again, just to clarify, he didn't grab him by the neck with both hands in the way that was initially described, that's not quite accurate," Ingraham asked at the end of the interview.

"​No, so it wasn't like he grabbed him around the neck, he had one hand on each side of his neck," Acuna confirmed.

lol

We've now reached a place where the subject of martial arts and the election process overlap.  Maybe it's time to install a speed bag in the garage.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 25, 2017, 03:59:40 PM
https://twitter.com/theblaze/status/867867462519447552

 TheBlaze‏Verified account @theblaze 39m39 minutes ago

Rush Limbaugh: 'Studly and manly' Gianforte beat up 'smug and arrogant' reporter http://buff.ly/2rVQ0uT

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAtI21jW0AAZ2YP.jpg)

Studly and manly! These motherfuckers would be freaking out if a democrat chokeslammed a reporter.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Shifter on May 25, 2017, 04:07:35 PM
Politics is no longer about a race to the top through professionalism and honour, but a race to the bottom through vulgarity and depravity.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on May 25, 2017, 04:12:57 PM
https://twitter.com/theblaze/status/867867462519447552

 TheBlaze‏Verified account @theblaze 39m39 minutes ago

Rush Limbaugh: 'Studly and manly' Gianforte beat up 'smug and arrogant' reporter http://buff.ly/2rVQ0uT

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAtI21jW0AAZ2YP.jpg)

Studly and manly! These motherfuckers would be freaking out if a democrat chokeslammed a reporter.

Fucking disgusting.

Maybe our congressmen should start carrying around stun guns if this guy gets elected.  I doubt some of them are going to able to walk away from a bodyslam.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 26, 2017, 03:44:55 AM
I'm going to wait for the facts to come out at trial.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Canadabear on May 26, 2017, 04:25:49 AM
here again you can see what kind a person Trump is:



he whats to be in the front.
Like a little child that looks for attention.
He does not care about other people, on what he benefits him counts.

What a despicable Asshole.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 26, 2017, 04:46:47 AM
here again you can see what kind a person Trump is:

he whats to be in the front.
Like a little child that looks for attention.
He does not care about other people, on what he benefits him counts.

What a despicable Asshole.

I am always fascinated by third world opinions.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Canadabear on May 26, 2017, 04:53:04 AM
here again you can see what kind a person Trump is:

he whats to be in the front.
Like a little child that looks for attention.
He does not care about other people, on what he benefits him counts.

What a despicable Asshole.

I am always fascinated by third world opinions.

yes i am also fascinated by the opinion of Trump supporter
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on May 26, 2017, 04:58:17 AM
Lol, Canadabear is fucking angry
(https://img.memecdn.com/fucking-so-angry_o_414855.webp)
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Canadabear on May 26, 2017, 05:32:19 AM
Lol, Canadabear is fucking angry
(https://img.memecdn.com/fucking-so-angry_o_414855.webp)

no i am not angry.

i am laughing about the US how stupid their President is.

Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on May 26, 2017, 05:40:21 AM
Quote
no i am not angry.

i am laughing about the US how stupid their President is.

That's one funny way of laughing!

he whats to be in the front.
Like a little child that looks for attention.
He does not care about other people, on what he benefits him counts.

What a despicable Asshole.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 26, 2017, 05:54:46 AM
Lol, Canadabear is fucking angry
(https://img.memecdn.com/fucking-so-angry_o_414855.webp)


If Thomas Roberts was President of the USofA, Canadabear would be equally pissed off.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Canadabear on May 26, 2017, 06:38:47 AM
Lol, Canadabear is fucking angry
(https://img.memecdn.com/fucking-so-angry_o_414855.webp)


If Thomas Roberts was President of the USofA, Canadabear would be equally pissed off.

i don't know much about what political decisions he would make, therefor i can not say how i would react.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 26, 2017, 06:44:09 AM
Lol, Canadabear is fucking angry
(https://img.memecdn.com/fucking-so-angry_o_414855.webp)


If Thomas Roberts was President of the USofA, Canadabear would be equally pissed off.

i don't know much about what political decisions he would make, therefor i can not say how i would react.

I think his political leaning is more in line with yours.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Pezevenk on May 26, 2017, 06:59:28 AM
Where's Canadabear from? Obviously not Canada...
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 26, 2017, 07:05:43 AM
Where's Canadabear from? Obviously not Canada...


Indonesia, birthplace of democracy.   ::)
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Dog on May 26, 2017, 09:27:13 AM
here again you can see what kind a person Trump is:

he whats to be in the front.
Like a little child that looks for attention.
He does not care about other people, on what he benefits him counts.

What a despicable Asshole.

I am always fascinated by third world opinions.

Ok from a U.S citizen: Donald Trump is a man-child.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 26, 2017, 09:31:13 AM
here again you can see what kind a person Trump is:

he whats to be in the front.
Like a little child that looks for attention.
He does not care about other people, on what he benefits him counts.

What a despicable Asshole.

I am always fascinated by third world opinions.

Ok from a U.S citizen: Donald Trump is a man-child.


Cool. At least you have a dog in the hunt.

What do you think about Thomas Roberts' politics?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Pezevenk on May 26, 2017, 10:21:14 AM
Where's Canadabear from? Obviously not Canada...


Indonesia, birthplace of democracy.   ::)

Ok, but I'm not sure how that invalidates his opinion...
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on May 26, 2017, 11:02:48 AM
Where's Canadabear from? Obviously not Canada...


Indonesia, birthplace of democracy.   ::)

Ok, but I'm not sure how that invalidates his opinion...
Well, has he said that canadabear's origin invalidates his opinion?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Canadabear on May 26, 2017, 11:22:56 AM
Where's Canadabear from? Obviously not Canada...


Indonesia, birthplace of democracy.   ::)

no i am original from a country that had a lot of different form of leading the country:
now democracy (i would even say a better one than the USA)
but we also had before also
-monarchy (with a state wide king)
-monarchies (with lots of small kings)
-basically roman leader
-real dictatorship

also the country exist way longer than the USA exist.

maybe you now can now figure out from which country i am.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Dog on May 26, 2017, 11:26:31 AM
What do you think about Thomas Roberts' politics?

My opinion on the politics of a random news anchor?

Depends, what's your opinion on the ketchup vs mustard on hot dogs debate.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Pezevenk on May 26, 2017, 11:36:21 AM
Where's Canadabear from? Obviously not Canada...


Indonesia, birthplace of democracy.   ::)

no i am original from a country that had a lot of different form of leading the country:
now democracy (i would even say a better one than the USA)
but we also had before also
-monarchy (with a state wide king)
-monarchies (with lots of small kings)
-basically roman leader
-real dictatorship

also the country exist way longer than the USA exist.

maybe you now can now figure out from which country i am.

No.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Canadabear on May 26, 2017, 11:36:29 AM
here again you can see what kind a person Trump is:

he whats to be in the front.
Like a little child that looks for attention.
He does not care about other people, on what he benefits him counts.

What a despicable Asshole.

I am always fascinated by third world opinions.

Ok from a U.S citizen: Donald Trump is a man-child.


Cool. At least you have a dog in the hunt.

What do you think about Thomas Roberts' politics?

why do you bring up just this guy.

what do you think of Bill o'Reilly?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 26, 2017, 11:57:40 AM
here again you can see what kind a person Trump is:

he whats to be in the front.
Like a little child that looks for attention.
He does not care about other people, on what he benefits him counts.

What a despicable Asshole.

I am always fascinated by third world opinions.

Ok from a U.S citizen: Donald Trump is a man-child.


Cool. At least you have a dog in the hunt.

What do you think about Thomas Roberts' politics?

why do you bring up just this guy.

what do you think of Bill o'Reilly?


Stop avoiding the Thomas Roberts question.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Canadabear on May 26, 2017, 12:12:42 PM
here again you can see what kind a person Trump is:

he whats to be in the front.
Like a little child that looks for attention.
He does not care about other people, on what he benefits him counts.

What a despicable Asshole.

I am always fascinated by third world opinions.

Ok from a U.S citizen: Donald Trump is a man-child.


Cool. At least you have a dog in the hunt.

What do you think about Thomas Roberts' politics?

why do you bring up just this guy.

what do you think of Bill o'Reilly?


Stop avoiding the Thomas Roberts question.

whats your thing about Thomas Roberts?
as i said i do not know his political stand point therefor i can not say anything about it.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 26, 2017, 12:13:24 PM
Where's Canadabear from? Obviously not Canada...


Indonesia, birthplace of democracy.   ::)

no i am original from a country that had a lot of different form of leading the country:
now democracy (i would even say a better one than the USA)
but we also had before also
-monarchy (with a state wide king)
-monarchies (with lots of small kings)
-basically roman leader
-real dictatorship

also the country exist way longer than the USA exist.

maybe you now can now figure out from which country i am.

Aren't you from Germany?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on May 26, 2017, 12:17:06 PM
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no i am original from a country that had a lot of different form of leading the country:
now democracy (i would even say a better one than the USA)
but we also had before also
-monarchy (with a state wide king)
-monarchies (with lots of small kings)
-basically roman leader
-real dictatorship

also the country exist way longer than the USA exist.

maybe you now can now figure out from which country i am.

Aren't you from Germany?
Germans are smart, so he's most likely not german.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Canadabear on May 26, 2017, 12:20:58 PM
no i am original from a country that had a lot of different form of leading the country:
now democracy (i would even say a better one than the USA)
but we also had before also
-monarchy (with a state wide king)
-monarchies (with lots of small kings)
-basically roman leader
-real dictatorship

also the country exist way longer than the USA exist.

maybe you now can now figure out from which country i am.

Aren't you from Germany?
Germans are smart, so he's most likely not german.
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and there you are wrong, i am german
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 26, 2017, 12:29:11 PM
Not being able to use English perfectly doesn't mean Canadabear isn't smart.  He is a retart sometimes, tho.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on May 26, 2017, 12:38:41 PM
Not being able to use English perfectly doesn't mean Canadabear isn't smart.  He is a retart sometimes, tho.
Well, I like tart tho :)

Canadabear, which part of germany are you from?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Canadabear on May 26, 2017, 12:40:30 PM
Not being able to use English perfectly doesn't mean Canadabear isn't smart.  He is a retart sometimes, tho.
Well, I like tart tho :)

Canadabear, which part of germany are you from?

the northern part, why?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on May 26, 2017, 12:41:59 PM
Not being able to use English perfectly doesn't mean Canadabear isn't smart.  He is a retart sometimes, tho.
Well, I like tart tho :)

Canadabear, which part of germany are you from?

the northern part, why?
Just wondering. Berlin? Hamburg?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Canadabear on May 26, 2017, 12:58:51 PM
Not being able to use English perfectly doesn't mean Canadabear isn't smart.  He is a retart sometimes, tho.
Well, I like tart tho :)

Canadabear, which part of germany are you from?

the northern part, why?
Just wondering. Berlin? Hamburg?

not far from Hamburg
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on May 26, 2017, 01:17:05 PM
Not being able to use English perfectly doesn't mean Canadabear isn't smart.  He is a retart sometimes, tho.
Well, I like tart tho :)

Canadabear, which part of germany are you from?

the northern part, why?
Just wondering. Berlin? Hamburg?
not far from Hamburg
Ok, nice, I once visited Hamburg & Lübeck, very beautiful!
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 26, 2017, 01:23:08 PM
What do you think about Thomas Roberts' politics?

My opinion on the politics of a random news anchor?

Depends, what's your opinion on the ketchup vs mustard on hot dogs debate.


Aw, crap.  (http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/lol-049.gif) (http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/skype-emoticons.html)

I just made up a name to fuck with him.   ;)
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on May 26, 2017, 01:31:41 PM
What do you think about Thomas Roberts' politics?

My opinion on the politics of a random news anchor?

Depends, what's your opinion on the ketchup vs mustard on hot dogs debate.


Aw, crap.  (http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/lol-049.gif) (http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/skype-emoticons.html)

I just made up a name to fuck with him.   ;)
Well played sir, well played.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Canadabear on May 26, 2017, 01:32:16 PM
What do you think about Thomas Roberts' politics?

My opinion on the politics of a random news anchor?

Depends, what's your opinion on the ketchup vs mustard on hot dogs debate.


Aw, crap.  (http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/lol-049.gif) (http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/skype-emoticons.html)

I just made up a name to fuck with him.   ;)

you are a professional in making up stories. are you a religious leader?

but looks like you screwed it up.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 26, 2017, 01:46:33 PM

you are a professional in making up stories. are you a religious leader?


Sure, why not?
You appear to be easily lead.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 26, 2017, 04:47:36 PM
Gianforte won... wtf is wrong with people. Idiocracy, here we come.

also the country exist way longer than the USA exist.
and there you are wrong, i am german

*cough*  1776 came before 1871 *cough*
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 26, 2017, 04:59:46 PM
I think most votes were already cast, so it's hard to say if he would have won... BUT he probably would have.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Pezevenk on May 27, 2017, 01:39:47 AM
Gianforte won... wtf is wrong with people. Idiocracy, here we come.

also the country exist way longer than the USA exist.
and there you are wrong, i am german

*cough*  1776 came before 1871 *cough*

To be fair, Germany existed long before it was called Germany.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: FalseProphet on May 27, 2017, 01:44:15 AM
Gianforte won... wtf is wrong with people. Idiocracy, here we come.

also the country exist way longer than the USA exist.
and there you are wrong, i am german

*cough*  1776 came before 1871 *cough*

To be fair, Germany existed long before it was called Germany.

I claim that it was called Germany ("Deutschland") long before it existed.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Pezevenk on May 27, 2017, 01:56:09 AM
Gianforte won... wtf is wrong with people. Idiocracy, here we come.

also the country exist way longer than the USA exist.
and there you are wrong, i am german

*cough*  1776 came before 1871 *cough*

To be fair, Germany existed long before it was called Germany.

I claim that it was called Germany ("Deutschland") long before it existed.

Hmmm that could be the case as well... Sort of like my country, we're told it exists since before Jesus, but frankly I have no idea what ancient Greece has to do with modern Greece other than the language and sort of the geographical location.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on May 27, 2017, 02:03:59 AM
Wasn't it called "Germanien" a long time ago?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: FalseProphet on May 27, 2017, 02:08:39 AM
Gianforte won... wtf is wrong with people. Idiocracy, here we come.

also the country exist way longer than the USA exist.
and there you are wrong, i am german

*cough*  1776 came before 1871 *cough*

To be fair, Germany existed long before it was called Germany.

I claim that it was called Germany ("Deutschland") long before it existed.

Hmmm that could be the case as well... Sort of like my country, we're told it exists since before Jesus, but frankly I have no idea what ancient Greece has to do with modern Greece other than the language and sort of the geographical location.

It just depends on if you mean 'Germany" or "Greece" as a souverain  state or as the land where the Germans or Greeks live. Fun fact: both were the main inhabitants of medieval empires that called itself "Roman Empire".
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Pezevenk on May 27, 2017, 05:10:20 AM
Gianforte won... wtf is wrong with people. Idiocracy, here we come.

also the country exist way longer than the USA exist.
and there you are wrong, i am german

*cough*  1776 came before 1871 *cough*

To be fair, Germany existed long before it was called Germany.

I claim that it was called Germany ("Deutschland") long before it existed.

Hmmm that could be the case as well... Sort of like my country, we're told it exists since before Jesus, but frankly I have no idea what ancient Greece has to do with modern Greece other than the language and sort of the geographical location.

It just depends on if you mean 'Germany" or "Greece" as a souverain  state or as the land where the Germans or Greeks live. Fun fact: both were the main inhabitants of medieval empires that called itself "Roman Empire".

But what are Germans and Greeks then? It's hard to find meaning in this whole "national identity" business.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: FalseProphet on May 27, 2017, 05:24:38 AM
Gianforte won... wtf is wrong with people. Idiocracy, here we come.

also the country exist way longer than the USA exist.
and there you are wrong, i am german

*cough*  1776 came before 1871 *cough*

To be fair, Germany existed long before it was called Germany.

I claim that it was called Germany ("Deutschland") long before it existed.

Hmmm that could be the case as well... Sort of like my country, we're told it exists since before Jesus, but frankly I have no idea what ancient Greece has to do with modern Greece other than the language and sort of the geographical location.

It just depends on if you mean 'Germany" or "Greece" as a souverain  state or as the land where the Germans or Greeks live. Fun fact: both were the main inhabitants of medieval empires that called itself "Roman Empire".

But what are Germans and Greeks then? It's hard to find meaning in this whole "national identity" business.

Well, both are names given from outside. In medieval times a "diutscher" and a "hellenikos" meant basically people who speak the German/Greek language, but they didn't feel as a "nation" in the modern sense.

Though in ancient times Greeks did have a strong sense of identity (but not in a political sense). You were a "hellenikos" if you were not a "barbaros". As such you were not only expected to speak a Greek dialect but also to share some common values - and you were entitled to combat at the Olympic games!
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 27, 2017, 09:43:43 AM
Gianforte won... wtf is wrong with people. Idiocracy, here we come.

also the country exist way longer than the USA exist.
and there you are wrong, i am german

*cough*  1776 came before 1871 *cough*

To be fair, Germany existed long before it was called Germany.

To be fair, America existed long before it was called America.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Canadabear on May 27, 2017, 11:52:04 AM
Gianforte won... wtf is wrong with people. Idiocracy, here we come.

also the country exist way longer than the USA exist.
and there you are wrong, i am german

*cough*  1776 came before 1871 *cough*

To be fair, Germany existed long before it was called Germany.

To be fair, America existed long before it was called America.
But the kind of people that voted for trump did not lived there at that time, they stole it from the former people there and killed a lot of them to get it.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Pezevenk on May 27, 2017, 02:56:01 PM
Gianforte won... wtf is wrong with people. Idiocracy, here we come.

also the country exist way longer than the USA exist.
and there you are wrong, i am german

*cough*  1776 came before 1871 *cough*

To be fair, Germany existed long before it was called Germany.

To be fair, America existed long before it was called America.

Not really, the people who identified themselves as Americans aren't around for that long. You had natives first and then English people, French people, Spanish people etc.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Pezevenk on May 27, 2017, 02:57:46 PM
Gianforte won... wtf is wrong with people. Idiocracy, here we come.

also the country exist way longer than the USA exist.
and there you are wrong, i am german

*cough*  1776 came before 1871 *cough*

To be fair, Germany existed long before it was called Germany.

I claim that it was called Germany ("Deutschland") long before it existed.

Hmmm that could be the case as well... Sort of like my country, we're told it exists since before Jesus, but frankly I have no idea what ancient Greece has to do with modern Greece other than the language and sort of the geographical location.

It just depends on if you mean 'Germany" or "Greece" as a souverain  state or as the land where the Germans or Greeks live. Fun fact: both were the main inhabitants of medieval empires that called itself "Roman Empire".

But what are Germans and Greeks then? It's hard to find meaning in this whole "national identity" business.

Well, both are names given from outside. In medieval times a "diutscher" and a "hellenikos" meant basically people who speak the German/Greek language, but they didn't feel as a "nation" in the modern sense.

Though in ancient times Greeks did have a strong sense of identity (but not in a political sense). You were a "hellenikos" if you were not a "barbaros". As such you were not only expected to speak a Greek dialect but also to share some common values - and you were entitled to combat at the Olympic games!

The thing is the culture of these people has changed so much that it's hard to see the relationship.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 27, 2017, 03:30:31 PM
Gianforte won... wtf is wrong with people. Idiocracy, here we come.

also the country exist way longer than the USA exist.
and there you are wrong, i am german

*cough*  1776 came before 1871 *cough*

To be fair, Germany existed long before it was called Germany.

To be fair, America existed long before it was called America.

Not really, the people who identified themselves as Americans aren't around for that long. You had natives first and then English people, French people, Spanish people etc.

He said "country", not ethnic group. Before the 1800s Germany was a part of the Holy Roman Empire.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on May 27, 2017, 03:55:39 PM
Gianforte won... wtf is wrong with people. Idiocracy, here we come.

also the country exist way longer than the USA exist.
and there you are wrong, i am german

*cough*  1776 came before 1871 *cough*

To be fair, Germany existed long before it was called Germany.

I claim that it was called Germany ("Deutschland") long before it existed.

Hmmm that could be the case as well... Sort of like my country, we're told it exists since before Jesus, but frankly I have no idea what ancient Greece has to do with modern Greece other than the language and sort of the geographical location.

You're not typing this in a toga with your dipyllon shield and javelin leaning against the wall?  I refuse to believe that. 

Now excuse me while I get my black powder musket ready.  I think one of my neighbors might be an accomplice of the tyrant King George III.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Twerp on May 27, 2017, 04:00:19 PM
Gianforte won... wtf is wrong with people. Idiocracy, here we come.

also the country exist way longer than the USA exist.
and there you are wrong, i am german

*cough*  1776 came before 1871 *cough*

To be fair, Germany existed long before it was called Germany.

I claim that it was called Germany ("Deutschland") long before it existed.

Hmmm that could be the case as well... Sort of like my country, we're told it exists since before Jesus, but frankly I have no idea what ancient Greece has to do with modern Greece other than the language and sort of the geographical location.

You're not typing this in a toga with your dipyllon shield and javelin leaning against the wall?  I refuse to believe that. 

Now excuse me while I get my black powder musket ready.  I think one of my neighbors might be an accomplice of the tyrant King George III.

I have always pictured DNO in a toga and wearing one of those wreath thingies around his head.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
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Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
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Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
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Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
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Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
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Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
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Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Pezevenk on May 28, 2017, 01:35:07 AM

You're not typing this in a toga with your dipyllon shield and javelin leaning against the wall?  I refuse to believe that. 

Now excuse me while I get my black powder musket ready.  I think one of my neighbors might be an accomplice of the tyrant King George III.

Of course I am not wearing a toga, that's shitty Roman fashion, I'm wearing a chiton, what are YOU wearing you barbarian?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Pezevenk on May 28, 2017, 01:40:14 AM

I have always pictured DNO in a toga and wearing one of those wreath thingies around his head.

Why would I be wearing a laurel wreath? You know, you have to win something to get one of these, it's like a form of acknowledgement. The last time anyone formally acknowledged me was my birth certificate.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 28, 2017, 08:51:28 AM
I formally acknowledge Definitely Not Official.   ;D
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Pezevenk on May 28, 2017, 09:56:38 AM
I formally acknowledge Definitely Not Official.   ;D

Good, now I can wear that wreath  ;D
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on May 31, 2017, 01:01:03 AM


Here CNN interviews a bunch of Trump supporters.  They've searched far and wide and found Trump supporters that aren't in jail for body slamming people, aren't holding visible assault weapons and in fact appear to me more intelligent and well spoken then Trump himself.

They don't seem like bad people.  In fact they seem like people that would be cool to hangout with at a barbecue.  I'd like to think most Trump supporters are like them.  But they're wrong though.  They all appear to be laboring under the illusion that Trump is working with their best interests in mind.  I don't even need to be vague on this one.  The hard numbers of everything he's proposed appear to only help the top 1%.

We've tried shouting these people down during the primary.  All they did was keep their opinion to themselves and voted for Trump anyways.  Maybe screaming "retard!" at these people isn't the best way to go here.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on May 31, 2017, 01:09:09 AM
Trump is working with their best interests in mind.
Well, I'd say he is.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on May 31, 2017, 01:40:16 AM
Trump is working with their best interests in mind.
Well, I'd say he is.

Alright. I'm curious. What would you say is the single best thing Trump has done or is attempting to do for you or people like you?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on May 31, 2017, 01:50:19 AM
Trump is working with their best interests in mind.
Well, I'd say he is.

Alright. I'm curious. What would you say is the single best thing Trump has done or is attempting to do for you or people like you?
If their interest is getting rid of illegals, more or less closed boarders, get rid of obamacare, get a wall between 'murica/mexico, have strong military, have a populist president etc. I think he is working "with their best interests in mind". Is it what really helps them or makes their lifes better? I don't think so.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 31, 2017, 07:51:37 AM
But who can figure out the true meaning of "covfefe" ???
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on May 31, 2017, 08:38:03 AM
But who can figure out the true meaning of "covfefe" ???

Well that's the million dollar question isn't it?

You might think that it means "coverage" however Trump later tweeted this:

"Who can figure out the true meaning of "covfefe" ??? Enjoy!"

My takeaway from this is that it's not so obvious.  Maybe "covfefe" is a coded message.  I'm going to run it through a Bible code translator and see what I can come up with.  My money's on it being the coordinates for the real wreckage of the Titanic.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Canadabear on May 31, 2017, 08:41:58 AM
But who can figure out the true meaning of "covfefe" ???

Trump is making up own words.
it makes sense, he make up everything he tells the people.
he is a lying idiot.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on May 31, 2017, 08:43:30 AM
How is that even a question, it's so obvious what he meant.
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Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Pezevenk on May 31, 2017, 10:03:34 AM
But who can figure out the true meaning of "covfefe" ???

Trump is making up own words.
it makes sense, he make up everything he tells the people.
he is a lying idiot.

Good, now go vote not Merkel, OK?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on May 31, 2017, 10:09:16 AM
But who can figure out the true meaning of "covfefe" ???

Trump is making up own words.
it makes sense, he make up everything he tells the people.
he is a lying idiot.

Good, now go vote not Merkel, OK?
What's the problem with Merkel? Her IQ is at least 15 times as high as Trump's.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Pezevenk on May 31, 2017, 10:14:32 AM
But who can figure out the true meaning of "covfefe" ???

Trump is making up own words.
it makes sense, he make up everything he tells the people.
he is a lying idiot.

Good, now go vote not Merkel, OK?
What's the problem with Merkel? Her IQ is at least 15 times as high as Trump's.

She's a fucking bitch to the rest of the EU and is driving it to shit. Also her handling of the refugee crisis could have been better and I generally disagree with conservatives, but she's pretty moderate, so it doesn't really matter, most of her policies in Germany aren't that disagreeable. The main point is that she's the worst thing that has happened to the EU for a long time.

Also I appreciate Martin Schulz a lot and from what I can tell so far he'd probably be great for the EU.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on May 31, 2017, 10:22:23 AM
She's a fucking bitch to the rest of the EU and is driving it to shit. Also her handling of the refugee crisis could have been better and I generally disagree with conservatives, but she's pretty moderate, so it doesn't really matter, most of her policies in Germany aren't that disagreeable. The main point is that she's the worst thing that has happened to the EU for a long time.
Well, that's hating around only.
Got some example? How is she a fucking bitch to the rest of the eu? How is she to blame that the EU sucks?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 31, 2017, 10:29:13 AM
She's a fucking bitch to the rest of the EU and is driving it to shit. Also her handling of the refugee crisis could have been better and I generally disagree with conservatives, but she's pretty moderate, so it doesn't really matter, most of her policies in Germany aren't that disagreeable. The main point is that she's the worst thing that has happened to the EU for a long time.
Well, that's hating around only.
Got some example? How is she a fucking bitch to the rest of the eu? How is she to blame that the EU sucks?

I bet she used a private email server too!  :P
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on May 31, 2017, 10:37:02 AM
She's a fucking bitch to the rest of the EU and is driving it to shit. Also her handling of the refugee crisis could have been better and I generally disagree with conservatives, but she's pretty moderate, so it doesn't really matter, most of her policies in Germany aren't that disagreeable. The main point is that she's the worst thing that has happened to the EU for a long time.
Well, that's hating around only.
Got some example? How is she a fucking bitch to the rest of the eu? How is she to blame that the EU sucks?

I'm curious about that too since I don't know a lot about EU politics.  Taking on those Syrian refugees seems damn near heroic but maybe they took on too much?

All I know is that next to Trump she seems like Abraham Lincoln.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Pezevenk on May 31, 2017, 10:49:04 AM
She's a fucking bitch to the rest of the EU and is driving it to shit. Also her handling of the refugee crisis could have been better and I generally disagree with conservatives, but she's pretty moderate, so it doesn't really matter, most of her policies in Germany aren't that disagreeable. The main point is that she's the worst thing that has happened to the EU for a long time.
Well, that's hating around only.
Got some example? How is she a fucking bitch to the rest of the eu? How is she to blame that the EU sucks?

I'm curious about that too since I don't know a lot about EU politics.  Taking on those Syrian refugees seems damn near heroic but maybe they took on too much?

All I know is that next to Trump she seems like Abraham Lincoln.

Look, there's so much to explain about this whole situation that I'm really not going to. Especially about the refugee crisis. Actually the main issue with the refugee crisis was that nations taking in refugees didn't have the necessary facilities and support from the big guys of the EU which resulted in a pretty tragic situation mostly in the mediterranean, both for the people here and for the refugees. Actually no one was properly prepared. I support taking in refugees, but it was done very hastily and without good results for anyone.

I'll explain about the trouble she's caused to the EU later.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Pezevenk on May 31, 2017, 10:59:13 AM
She's a fucking bitch to the rest of the EU and is driving it to shit. Also her handling of the refugee crisis could have been better and I generally disagree with conservatives, but she's pretty moderate, so it doesn't really matter, most of her policies in Germany aren't that disagreeable. The main point is that she's the worst thing that has happened to the EU for a long time.
Well, that's hating around only.
Got some example? How is she a fucking bitch to the rest of the eu? How is she to blame that the EU sucks?

It seems like you don't really know how the EU works at this point. It's becoming less and less like a union and more and more like a Germanic leadership. Merkel is essentially the governor of the entire EU, and ever since she became that, the EU is dysfunctional. If your country becomes dysfunctional, who is to blame?

The thing is Germany is acting like a bully towards the rest of the countries. Instead of finding actual ways to resolve the issues the states have, they essentially extort them into austerity, so that her people can get their money faster and stop whining. The issue with that is that in the long term, this not only fucks up the countries applying the measures, but the EU as a whole. It gives her popularity in Germany but in pretty much every other country she is despised. At some point, since Germany does benefit from the EU, it will start hurting her own country as well, but by then someone else will have taken charge. Brexit is also partly to blame on her. Her bully attitude is tearing the EU apart.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Bullwinkle on May 31, 2017, 11:07:47 AM
If your country becomes dysfunctional, who is to blame?

Voters.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Pezevenk on May 31, 2017, 11:18:24 AM
If your country becomes dysfunctional, who is to blame?

Voters.

Well, I can agree with that, so Canadabear do the right thing this time.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on May 31, 2017, 11:43:55 AM
It seems like you don't really know how the EU works at this point.
Well yeah, maybe, my country is luckily not part of the EU.

It's becoming less and less like a union and more and more like a Germanic leadership. Merkel is essentially the governor of the entire EU, and ever since she became that, the EU is dysfunctional.
As far as I know all the EU institutions like the parliament are still sort of democratic (with voting systems). But yeah, might be that germany has more influence than other countries; but then again, germany is pretty much the piggy bank of the EU... so seems just fair that they have a bit more to say than other countries?

The thing is Germany is acting like a bully towards the rest of the countries. Instead of finding actual ways to resolve the issues the states have, they essentially extort them into austerity, so that her people can get their money faster and stop whining. The issue with that is that in the long term, this not only fucks up the countries applying the measures, but the EU as a whole.
I'm pretty sure LOT's of experts in the economic field have thought things through and though it's the best solution to do things how they have been done. So I kind of doubt that you know better than all those experts...
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Canadabear on May 31, 2017, 12:08:28 PM
If your country becomes dysfunctional, who is to blame?

Voters.

Well, I can agree with that, so Canadabear do the right thing this time.

i have to see if i am still can vote at that time, because it is possible that i am not a german citizen anymore at that time.  ;)
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Pezevenk on May 31, 2017, 12:12:19 PM
If your country becomes dysfunctional, who is to blame?

Voters.

Well, I can agree with that, so Canadabear do the right thing this time.

i have to see if i am still can vote at that time, because it is possible that i am not a german citizen anymore at that time.  ;)

Hold on, what?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Pezevenk on May 31, 2017, 12:20:01 PM
It seems like you don't really know how the EU works at this point.
Well yeah, maybe, my country is luckily not part of the EU.

It's becoming less and less like a union and more and more like a Germanic leadership. Merkel is essentially the governor of the entire EU, and ever since she became that, the EU is dysfunctional.
As far as I know all the EU institutions like the parliament are still sort of democratic (with voting systems). But yeah, might be that germany has more influence than other countries; but then again, germany is pretty much the piggy bank of the EU... so seems just fair that they have a bit more to say than other countries?

The thing is Germany is acting like a bully towards the rest of the countries. Instead of finding actual ways to resolve the issues the states have, they essentially extort them into austerity, so that her people can get their money faster and stop whining. The issue with that is that in the long term, this not only fucks up the countries applying the measures, but the EU as a whole.
I'm pretty sure LOT's of experts in the economic field have thought things through and though it's the best solution to do things how they have been done. So I kind of doubt that you know better than all those experts...

Haha, no. The funniest thing is that they themselves are saying this is not the way to do things. All those experts who have thought stuff out better than me agree austerity is not a solution at all. Sometimes you even get those ridiculous statements by Schauble admitting that it's a fuck up. The thing is Merkel has to cater to her voters so she grinds her teeth and demands austerity so that she can please her people, destroying the union in the process. 

Germany is the piggy bank of the EU, and it exerts such an influence that in some cases the EU parliament is rendered irrelevant. When you have in a union one country bullying the others into submission you don't have a union any more. Thanks to Merkel there's this whole wave of [insert country prefix]exit. The EU was a great thing and can still be a great thing, but not if this continues. At least France used to be sort of a "co-leader", but now France's influence diminishes and Germany's influence grows.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Canadabear on May 31, 2017, 12:46:52 PM
If your country becomes dysfunctional, who is to blame?

Voters.

Well, I can agree with that, so Canadabear do the right thing this time.

i have to see if i am still can vote at that time, because it is possible that i am not a german citizen anymore at that time.  ;)

Hold on, what?

its simple: i am applying for the Canadian citizenship and Germany does not allow to keep the German without applying for a dual citizenship.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Pezevenk on May 31, 2017, 02:11:25 PM
Oh so now you're actually going to be Canadabear! Ok.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on May 31, 2017, 02:39:05 PM
Nobody knew covfefe could be so complicated. (http://)

"Does the tweet speak for itself?" -- MVP troll reporter
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Shifter on May 31, 2017, 04:23:31 PM
Be careful devoting attention to a crappy typo. It's probably a deflection tactic the media is falling for yet again to offset attention on a greater issue.

So many bigger problems out there yet how much attention is given to this. This is what is wrong with 'news' lately. It's not news. It's gutter trash tabloid pieces
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on May 31, 2017, 04:28:10 PM
Be careful devoting attention to a crappy typo. It's probably a deflection tactic the media is falling for yet again to offset attention on a greater issue.

So many bigger problems out there yet how much attention is given to this. This is what is wrong with 'news' lately. It's not news. It's gutter trash tabloid pieces

I agree in principle.  It's a piece of nonsense that distracts us from what's important.  On the other hand sometimes you have to take time to enjoy the simple things that life has to offer.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 31, 2017, 04:34:06 PM
At this point it doesn't matter what we pay attention to. I don't think Congress will do their jobs and properly investigate Trump's Russia ties, might as well laugh at a typo.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Shifter on May 31, 2017, 04:36:56 PM
He performed quite poorly representing America (in a way that you guys could be proud of) on his first foreign trip. So what do we talk about? A typo. No wonder he left it up there. It proved to be a great deflection of bigger and harder issues. You've given him a free pass. Well done
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Shifter on May 31, 2017, 04:44:00 PM
At this point it doesn't matter what we pay attention to. I don't think Congress will do their jobs and properly investigate Trump's Russia ties, might as well laugh at a typo.

All this does is feed Trumps narrative that the news shouldn't be taken seriously

What do you think Trump would like to read first thing in the morning? That he made a typo the night before? Or an honest and brutal appraisal of his first foreign trip.....
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on May 31, 2017, 04:47:04 PM
He performed quite poorly representing America (in a way that you guys could be proud of) on his first foreign trip.

Not completely true.  He got along great with all the fascist dictators he visited.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 31, 2017, 04:47:43 PM
At this point it doesn't matter what we pay attention to. I don't think Congress will do their jobs and properly investigate Trump's Russia ties, might as well laugh at a typo.

All this does is feed Trumps narrative that the news shouldn't be taken seriously

What do you think Trump would like to read first thing in the morning? That he made a typo the night before? Or an honest and brutal appraisal of his first foreign trip.....

There were plenty of brutal appraisals of his trip. I read several of them. I will also take the time to laugh at a silly typo now and then.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Shifter on May 31, 2017, 04:55:00 PM
Yes, and because of a typo making big news, it discredits the real news at the same time because it makes the news, real or fake, look like trashy tabloids.

If you are going to laugh, fine - leave it to trashy social media. But any respectable news corporation worth their salt would not bother giving it any air time.

Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Crouton on May 31, 2017, 04:55:38 PM
At this point it doesn't matter what we pay attention to. I don't think Congress will do their jobs and properly investigate Trump's Russia ties, might as well laugh at a typo.

I'm not so sure about that.  Everybody seems to have a very high opinion of this special counsel Robert Mueller.  As far as I can tell Trump is under the highest amount of scrutiny the law allows right now. 
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 31, 2017, 05:01:52 PM
At this point it doesn't matter what we pay attention to. I don't think Congress will do their jobs and properly investigate Trump's Russia ties, might as well laugh at a typo.

I'm not so sure about that.  Everybody seems to have a very high opinion of this special counsel Robert Mueller.  As far as I can tell Trump is under the highest amount of scrutiny the law allows right now.

I hope so. It all seems so hopeless sometimes, tho.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Space Cowgirl on May 31, 2017, 05:05:33 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBIfyQWUIAAS0t4.jpg)

IT'S STILL FUNNY.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: TotesReptilian on June 01, 2017, 02:12:21 AM
Yes, and because of a typo making big news, it discredits the real news at the same time because it makes the news, real or fake, look like trashy tabloids.

If you are going to laugh, fine - leave it to trashy social media. But any respectable news corporation worth their salt would not bother giving it any air time.

Don't get your covfefe in a wad. Just enjoy witnessing history! A thousand years from now humanity will be celebrating May 31 as covfefe day.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Canadabear on June 01, 2017, 04:42:33 AM
Yes, and because of a typo making big news, it discredits the real news at the same time because it makes the news, real or fake, look like trashy tabloids.

If you are going to laugh, fine - leave it to trashy social media. But any respectable news corporation worth their salt would not bother giving it any air time.

Don't get your covfefe in a wad. Just enjoy witnessing history! A thousand years from now humanity will be celebrating May 31 as covfefe day.

if Trump keeps on going the humanity will not exist anymore in thousand years, not even in 100 years.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Pezevenk on June 01, 2017, 04:45:05 AM
Yes, and because of a typo making big news, it discredits the real news at the same time because it makes the news, real or fake, look like trashy tabloids.

If you are going to laugh, fine - leave it to trashy social media. But any respectable news corporation worth their salt would not bother giving it any air time.

Don't get your covfefe in a wad. Just enjoy witnessing history! A thousand years from now humanity will be celebrating May 31 as covfefe day.

if Trump keeps on going the humanity will not exist anymore in thousand years, not even in 100 years.

Calm down, I don't like Trump but I don't act like he's the apocalypse.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Canadabear on June 01, 2017, 05:08:44 AM
Yes, and because of a typo making big news, it discredits the real news at the same time because it makes the news, real or fake, look like trashy tabloids.

If you are going to laugh, fine - leave it to trashy social media. But any respectable news corporation worth their salt would not bother giving it any air time.

Don't get your covfefe in a wad. Just enjoy witnessing history! A thousand years from now humanity will be celebrating May 31 as covfefe day.

if Trump keeps on going the humanity will not exist anymore in thousand years, not even in 100 years.

Calm down, I don't like Trump but I don't act like he's the apocalypse.

one of the biggest manufacturer will step back from the way to reduce climate change. that will have a huge impact on the world.

also if the conflict of USA with north korea escalates it could end up in a WW3 with nuclear weapons
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Pezevenk on June 01, 2017, 05:43:51 AM
Yes, and because of a typo making big news, it discredits the real news at the same time because it makes the news, real or fake, look like trashy tabloids.

If you are going to laugh, fine - leave it to trashy social media. But any respectable news corporation worth their salt would not bother giving it any air time.

Don't get your covfefe in a wad. Just enjoy witnessing history! A thousand years from now humanity will be celebrating May 31 as covfefe day.

if Trump keeps on going the humanity will not exist anymore in thousand years, not even in 100 years.

Calm down, I don't like Trump but I don't act like he's the apocalypse.

one of the biggest manufacturer will step back from the way to reduce climate change. that will have a huge impact on the world.

also if the conflict of USA with north korea escalates it could end up in a WW3 with nuclear weapons

None of that is going to happen. And climate change worsening a bit isn't the end of the world.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on June 01, 2017, 05:52:02 AM
And climate change worsening a bit isn't the end of the world.
Well, who knows.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: DuckDodgers on June 01, 2017, 05:55:32 AM
Yes, and because of a typo making big news, it discredits the real news at the same time because it makes the news, real or fake, look like trashy tabloids.

If you are going to laugh, fine - leave it to trashy social media. But any respectable news corporation worth their salt would not bother giving it any air time.
I saw a single headline about covfefe, I saw about a dozen others talking about the relationship with Germany, the Russia probe, Spicer being Spicer, etc. I don't think the media is blowing this out of proportion, I think it's the people that have just latched on to something silly to get a laugh at the president. This covfefe talk is mostly kept to social media and forums from what I can tell.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: FalseProphet on June 01, 2017, 07:03:05 AM
Yes, and because of a typo making big news, it discredits the real news at the same time because it makes the news, real or fake, look like trashy tabloids.

If you are going to laugh, fine - leave it to trashy social media. But any respectable news corporation worth their salt would not bother giving it any air time.

Don't get your covfefe in a wad. Just enjoy witnessing history! A thousand years from now humanity will be celebrating May 31 as covfefe day.

if Trump keeps on going the humanity will not exist anymore in thousand years, not even in 100 years.

Calm down, I don't like Trump but I don't act like he's the apocalypse.

one of the biggest manufacturer will step back from the way to reduce climate change. that will have a huge impact on the world.

also if the conflict of USA with north korea escalates it could end up in a WW3 with nuclear weapons

None of that is going to happen. And climate change worsening a bit isn't the end of the world.

Rule of Thumb:

6 degrees (may be unlikely, but not impossible): end of mankind (cause world would turn into a desert)
4 degrees (that's what we're heading at): end of modern civilization (cause breakdown of food production)
2 degrees (the goal of the Paris agreement): be prepared for many many climate fugitives from the Middle East and North East Africa
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on June 01, 2017, 07:12:52 AM
Rule of Thumb:

6 degrees (may be unlikely, but not impossible): end of mankind (cause world would turn into a desert)
4 degrees (that's what we're heading at): end of modern civilization (cause breakdown of food production)
2 degrees (the goal of the Paris agreement): be prepared for many many climate fugitives from the Middle East and North East Africa

In which time... 1 hour, 1 day, 1 year, 100 years, 1000 years?
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: FalseProphet on June 01, 2017, 07:25:14 AM
Rule of Thumb:

6 degrees (may be unlikely, but not impossible): end of mankind (cause world would turn into a desert)
4 degrees (that's what we're heading at): end of modern civilization (cause breakdown of food production)
2 degrees (the goal of the Paris agreement): be prepared for many many climate fugitives from the Middle East and North East Africa

In which time... 1 hour, 1 day, 1 year, 100 years, 1000 years?

If we do business as usual, we have the 4 degrees until the end of the century.

We warmed the planet 1 degree basically within 40 years or so. Since CO2 level is now above 400 ppm it is reasonable to assume that we will reach the 2 degree mark in less than 40 years.

In fact, the goal of the Paris agreement is already delusional. But when we manage to become a largely CO2 neutral society until the mid of the century, staying below 2,5 degree may be possible.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: Pezevenk on June 01, 2017, 08:44:44 AM
Yes, and because of a typo making big news, it discredits the real news at the same time because it makes the news, real or fake, look like trashy tabloids.

If you are going to laugh, fine - leave it to trashy social media. But any respectable news corporation worth their salt would not bother giving it any air time.

Don't get your covfefe in a wad. Just enjoy witnessing history! A thousand years from now humanity will be celebrating May 31 as covfefe day.

if Trump keeps on going the humanity will not exist anymore in thousand years, not even in 100 years.

Calm down, I don't like Trump but I don't act like he's the apocalypse.

one of the biggest manufacturer will step back from the way to reduce climate change. that will have a huge impact on the world.

also if the conflict of USA with north korea escalates it could end up in a WW3 with nuclear weapons

None of that is going to happen. And climate change worsening a bit isn't the end of the world.

Rule of Thumb:

6 degrees (may be unlikely, but not impossible): end of mankind (cause world would turn into a desert)
4 degrees (that's what we're heading at): end of modern civilization (cause breakdown of food production)
2 degrees (the goal of the Paris agreement): be prepared for many many climate fugitives from the Middle East and North East Africa

Yes, that is what would happen if the temperature was to rise like that tomorrow, but humans are pretty resourceful and civilization would probably adapt (albeit with a great cost) to a gradual rise. So no, it's no apocalypse, it's just that the cost has to be avoided. Plus it's an accelerated process so in the long term things could get really serious.
Title: Re: Why do you support donald trump
Post by: FalseProphet on June 01, 2017, 09:04:22 AM
Yes, and because of a typo making big news, it discredits the real news at the same time because it makes the news, real or fake, look like trashy tabloids.

If you are going to laugh, fine - leave it to trashy social media. But any respectable news corporation worth their salt would not bother giving it any air time.

Don't get your covfefe in a wad. Just enjoy witnessing history! A thousand years from now humanity will be celebrating May 31 as covfefe day.

if Trump keeps on going the humanity will not exist anymore in thousand years, not even in 100 years.

Calm down, I don't like Trump but I don't act like he's the apocalypse.

one of the biggest manufacturer will step back from the way to reduce climate change. that will have a huge impact on the world.

also if the conflict of USA with north korea escalates it could end up in a WW3 with nuclear weapons

None of that is going to happen. And climate change worsening a bit isn't the end of the world.