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Why do you support donald trump

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #3690 on: September 26, 2017, 07:32:57 PM »
Quote from: Babyhighspeed on September 26, 2017, 07:07:59 PM
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Yes I did go to town with my supposed "straw man", however, if you re read it with an open mind, one that has not already decided the given opinion before the first read word...you will see there is substance there.

It was a direct answer to your attack out of no where.

The kneeling nonsense is over injustices to black people, yes it has some to do with police, but they are speaking of all injustices...an all encompassing Boogeyman. As Morgan Freeman says "Just an excuse not to get there"..

As for this

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What losers are you talking about? Who just wants to be cool/heroic? Who needs a reach around? What are they disagreeing about? Who is calling them a white supremacist, Uncle Tom, or undeducated for disagreeing about whatever it is they are disagreeing about?

The losers I refer to, people who force all their failings/laziness blame on others rather it be a race or a more direct approach...then not only that, want free shit, a heads up etc from those people because of said false premise. These are losers to me, and to most anyone who fights their way through life themselves without excuse, rich or poor, would typically agree with this.

As for who is calling what....just look at the Twitter Fred's from such groups, or any mainstream news channel. They will use such rhetoric and exact words I stated on Twitter, but not on MSM...there they will be more PC, however, they will still say the same thing. Or accuse them of being a traitor to their race etc.

Black men and women, I feel for them when they have the courage to fight against such groups/actions...they get the same blanket bullshit name callings as those who voted for Trump are racist/white supremacist/uneducated etc etc..

In my world, when someone who has done more than me and is further down the line than I am, I will listen to their words. If the white race had the same problems as the black race (percentage wise), and a white man went on TV who beat those problems and became successful/positive attribute to society..I am gonna listen and learn...I would want to try and do what he did...

That is if I really wanted that...not just to draw attention to myself, act a fool, destroy things and get free shit...walk through life with no accountability or responsibility.

Oh, also, as for the reach around part...that is easy...look at these people being vocal and joining the "cause"...it is all about them, it boosts their ego, makes them "loved" etc etc etc....it's easy for anyone really looking to see their true motivation... Like the idiots I would see when I was in Houston come just to take selfies, post it on their Facebook and Twitter, have their backs patted, then they don't do shit and leave after a day when it gets a little uncomfortable

Yes, the hypothetical person you are describing sounds pretty bad. I still don't know who you are talking about specifically though.

You seem determined to search for the most unreasonable or idiotic participants of any given movement/protest, and then use them as an excuse to dismiss the entire movement/protest. Didn't you recently express your annoyance that people were judging all Trump supporters by the most heinous of his white supremacist supporters?

If you just want to rant about entitled idiots, then by all means, do so. I don't like entitled idiots either. Most people don't like entitled idiots. But perhaps you should be a bit more precise with your vitriol. Change your garden hose from "spread" to "stream".

Edit: I just want to clarify that that last statement was in no way intended to be a penis metaphor.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #3691 on: September 26, 2017, 07:51:03 PM »
I agree with you Totes....

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the most unreasonable or idiotic participants of any given movement/protest

This is the problem, these people are given the lime light by the MSM...they then OK this, and make it acceptable. This molds people, as the majority do not take the time to think for themselves and are easily manipulated. Not just for this subject, for almost all subjects.

Do you see why I have such issue with the MSM??

A small group of idiot's ideas can spread like a literal wild fire...turning millions into these morons...then those idiots will breed idiots, then after 20 years, we will have a nation full of idiots, silencing the voices of the minority that are not said idiots...

Surely you can see the severity of the situation?
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #3692 on: September 26, 2017, 08:13:05 PM »
Quote from: Babyhighspeed on September 26, 2017, 07:51:03 PM
I agree with you Totes....

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the most unreasonable or idiotic participants of any given movement/protest

This is the problem, these people are given the lime light by the MSM...they then OK this, and make it acceptable. This molds people, as the majority do not take the time to think for themselves and are easily manipulated. Not just for this subject, for almost all subjects.

Do you see why I have such issue with the MSM??

I have only watched a small amount of coverage of the kneel/stand thing. All of it I have seen has focused on respect (or lack thereof) for the flag/anthem, solidarity among teammates, Trump calling people SOB's, and police brutality/reform. I haven't seen anyone mention entitlements.

Again, maybe I just don't watch enough "MSM"...

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A small group of idiot's ideas can spread like a literal wild fire...turning millions into these morons...then those idiots will breed idiots, then after 20 years, we will have a nation full of idiots, silencing the voices of the minority that are not said idiots...

Surely you can see the severity of the situation?

Yeah. It got Trump elected. (Sorry, couldn't resist)
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #3693 on: September 26, 2017, 08:27:23 PM »
A flag is a piece of (most likely Made In China) cloth. Who cares.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #3694 on: September 26, 2017, 09:05:25 PM »
Quote from: Symptom on September 26, 2017, 08:27:23 PM
A flag is a piece of (most likely Made In China) cloth. Who cares.

Perhaps, but it's also a symbol. Clearly a concept lost on you.

But you would think, a countries flag (or any patriotic memorabilia) should be made in the country and not anywhere else.

Hell, China even makes other countries military uniforms. Great thinking governments!!! Save a few dollars but give away all your secrets, tech and R&D!
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #3695 on: September 26, 2017, 09:15:13 PM »
Quote from: TotesReptilian on September 26, 2017, 08:13:05 PM
Yeah. It got Trump elected. (Sorry, couldn't resist)

Demagoguery.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #3696 on: September 26, 2017, 09:22:01 PM »
Quote from: Shifter on September 26, 2017, 09:05:25 PM
Quote from: Symptom on September 26, 2017, 08:27:23 PM
A flag is a piece of (most likely Made In China) cloth. Who cares.

Perhaps, but it's also a symbol. Clearly a concept lost on you.

But you would think, a countries flag (or any patriotic memorabilia) should be made in the country and not anywhere else.

Hell, China even makes other countries military uniforms. Great thinking governments!!! Save a few dollars but give away all your secrets, tech and R&D!

I concede, you are just so much smarterer than me.  ;D
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #3697 on: September 26, 2017, 09:25:47 PM »
Quote from: Symptom on September 26, 2017, 09:22:01 PM
Quote from: Shifter on September 26, 2017, 09:05:25 PM
Quote from: Symptom on September 26, 2017, 08:27:23 PM
A flag is a piece of (most likely Made In China) cloth. Who cares.

Perhaps, but it's also a symbol. Clearly a concept lost on you.

But you would think, a countries flag (or any patriotic memorabilia) should be made in the country and not anywhere else.

Hell, China even makes other countries military uniforms. Great thinking governments!!! Save a few dollars but give away all your secrets, tech and R&D!

I concede, you are just so much smarterer than me.  ;D

No shit!! You think??? To think I'm only average at best.... But compared to any petrol sniffing drongo it's really not that hard
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #3698 on: September 26, 2017, 09:26:18 PM »
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Your true colors have been exposed....what a shame...and...

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #3699 on: September 26, 2017, 09:30:59 PM »
Quote from: Shifter on September 26, 2017, 09:25:47 PM
Quote from: Symptom on September 26, 2017, 09:22:01 PM
Quote from: Shifter on September 26, 2017, 09:05:25 PM
Quote from: Symptom on September 26, 2017, 08:27:23 PM
A flag is a piece of (most likely Made In China) cloth. Who cares.

Perhaps, but it's also a symbol. Clearly a concept lost on you.

But you would think, a countries flag (or any patriotic memorabilia) should be made in the country and not anywhere else.

Hell, China even makes other countries military uniforms. Great thinking governments!!! Save a few dollars but give away all your secrets, tech and R&D!

I concede, you are just so much smarterer than me.  ;D

No shit!! You think??? To think I'm only average at best.... But compared to any petrol sniffing drongo it's really not that hard

Your comebacks cut me like so many razors.

Or is that... "Rayzors..." Oh sweet christ on a bike... Alt confirmed! Shills!
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #3700 on: September 26, 2017, 09:31:13 PM »
Quote from: Babyhighspeed on September 26, 2017, 09:26:18 PM
Totes
Your true colors have been exposed....what a shame...and...

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Huh?  I thought Totes's attitude has been pretty consistent,  what do you think has been exposed?  He hasn't been hiding anything that I've noticed.

You on the other hand are all over the place,  you claim to be libertarian,  but I doubt you even understand what that means. 

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #3701 on: September 26, 2017, 09:32:55 PM »
Quote from: disputeone on September 26, 2017, 09:15:13 PM
Quote from: TotesReptilian on September 26, 2017, 08:13:05 PM
Yeah. It got Trump elected. (Sorry, couldn't resist)

Demagoguery.

Yes, that too. But we were talking about the media, not Trump himself.

Quote from: Babyhighspeed on September 26, 2017, 09:26:18 PM
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« Reply #3702 on: September 26, 2017, 09:35:56 PM »
Quote from: Rayzor on September 26, 2017, 09:31:13 PM
Quote from: Babyhighspeed on September 26, 2017, 09:26:18 PM
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Huh?  I thought Totes's attitude has been pretty consistent,  what do you think has been exposed?  He hasn't been hiding anything that I've noticed.

You on the other hand are all over the place,  you claim to be libertarian,  but I doubt you even understand what that means.

The meaning of what liberal means has totally changed from what I remember it. I would class the people who voted for Trump more liberal than those that were protesting 'Not My President!' I think its the 'Neo-liberals' that have forgotten what 'liberal' means
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #3703 on: September 26, 2017, 09:41:03 PM »
Quote from: Shifter on September 26, 2017, 09:35:56 PM
Quote from: Rayzor on September 26, 2017, 09:31:13 PM
Quote from: Babyhighspeed on September 26, 2017, 09:26:18 PM
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Huh?  I thought Totes's attitude has been pretty consistent,  what do you think has been exposed?  He hasn't been hiding anything that I've noticed.

You on the other hand are all over the place,  you claim to be libertarian,  but I doubt you even understand what that means.

The meaning of what liberal means has totally changed from what I remember it. I would class the people who voted for Trump more liberal than those that were protesting 'Not My President!' I think its the 'Neo-liberals' that have forgotten what 'liberal' means

I'm not talking about liberal, I'm talking about libertarian,  not the same thing.   Liberal ( in the amercian political context ) is generally socialist in views,  libertarian is about individual freedom and anarchy. 

PS  Most trump supporters **REALLY** wouldn't like being called liberal.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #3704 on: September 26, 2017, 09:43:11 PM »
There are such things as "authoritarian liberals" and "libertarian liberals".

But by all means, don't let that fuck up your fantasy.

ALL LIBRUHLS ARE TEH SAME.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #3705 on: September 26, 2017, 09:44:11 PM »
Quote from: Symptom on September 26, 2017, 09:43:11 PM
There are such things as "authoritarian liberals" and "libertarian liberals".

But by all means, don't let that fuck up your fantasy.

LOL,  don't forget the anarchists.   

Cute avatar. :)
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #3706 on: September 26, 2017, 09:47:55 PM »
Quote from: Rayzor on September 26, 2017, 09:44:11 PM
Quote from: Symptom on September 26, 2017, 09:43:11 PM
There are such things as "authoritarian liberals" and "libertarian liberals".

But by all means, don't let that fuck up your fantasy.

LOL,  don't forget the anarchists.   

Cute avatar. :)

That's pretty much what I'm saying. You can be a right leaning anarchist, and you can be a left leaning anarchist. Neither side of the political spectrum automatically makes you an authoritarian (sp?).

And thanks, I think so too. Cute as a button, isn't she? So adorbs.  ;D
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #3707 on: September 26, 2017, 09:49:19 PM »
Quote from: Rayzor on September 26, 2017, 09:41:03 PM


PS  Most trump supporters **REALLY** wouldn't like being called liberal.

haha probably not, but I would rate them closer to the centre of politics than some of these 'not my president' or ANTIFA groups and the like

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« Reply #3708 on: September 26, 2017, 09:50:34 PM »
Quote from: Symptom on September 26, 2017, 09:47:55 PM

And thanks, I think so too. Cute as a button, isn't she.  ;D

I suppose that passes for cute in your 'happy country'. Good for you
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #3709 on: September 26, 2017, 09:50:43 PM »
Quote from: Rayzor on September 26, 2017, 09:41:03 PM
Quote from: Shifter on September 26, 2017, 09:35:56 PM
The meaning of what liberal means has totally changed from what I remember it. I would class the people who voted for Trump more liberal than those that were protesting 'Not My President!' I think its the 'Neo-liberals' that have forgotten what 'liberal' means

I'm not talking about liberal, I'm talking about libertarian,  not the same thing.   Liberal ( in the amercian political context ) is generally socialist in views,  libertarian is about individual freedom and anarchy.

Eh, not really. Liberal and libertarian are generally similar regarding individual freedoms. They generally differ when it comes to corporate freedom. Libertarians generally want small government with few regulations against individuals or corporations. Liberals generally want the government to have more powers to protect individuals from corporate interests, which is where the socialist tendencies come in.

Of course there are probably as many definitions of "liberal" as people to ask.
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« Reply #3710 on: September 26, 2017, 09:53:40 PM »
Quote from: Shifter on September 26, 2017, 09:49:19 PM
Quote from: Rayzor on September 26, 2017, 09:41:03 PM


PS  Most trump supporters **REALLY** wouldn't like being called liberal.

haha probably not, but I would rate them closer to the centre of politics than some of these 'not my president' or ANTIFA groups and the like

Depends on your vantage point. Antifa would not be seen as "centrist" where I live, but neihter would the average Trump supporter. Far from it.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #3711 on: September 26, 2017, 10:10:09 PM »
What do our American Friends on the forum, think about the Trump Administration response to Puerto Rico disaster.

https://s2.washingtonpost.com/camp-rw/?e=cmF5QGV0aGVpcmEubmV0&s=59cb301ffe1ff635a7640ca9

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“After one hundred years of citizenship, Puerto Ricans are prohibited from managing their own economy, negotiating their own trade relations, or setting their own consumer prices,” wrote Nelson Denis, author of “War Against All Puerto Ricans,” in an essay earlier this year. “Puerto Rico has been little more than a profit center for the United States: first as a naval coaling station, then as a sugar empire, a cheap labor supply, a tax haven, a captive market, and now as a municipal bond debtor and target for privatization. It is an island of beggars and billionaires: fought over by lawyers, bossed by absentee landlords, and clerked by politicians.”

Colonial neglect indeed.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #3712 on: September 26, 2017, 10:13:50 PM »
Quote from: Shifter on September 26, 2017, 09:50:34 PM
Quote from: Symptom on September 26, 2017, 09:47:55 PM

And thanks, I think so too. Cute as a button, isn't she.  ;D

I suppose that passes for cute in your 'happy country'. Good for you

You really should keep taking everything I post literally. That's gonna be just great.
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« Reply #3713 on: September 26, 2017, 10:21:11 PM »
Quote from: Symptom on September 26, 2017, 10:13:50 PM

You really should keep taking everything I post literally. That's gonna be just great.

What even funnier is that we both are pretending to be serious while taking the piss at the same time but having each other both think we are serious when in fact we are actually taking the piss at the same time.

Is it you or me that cant actually tell?
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #3714 on: September 26, 2017, 10:27:29 PM »
Quote from: Rayzor on September 26, 2017, 10:10:09 PM

What do our American Friends on the forum, think about the Trump Administration response to Puerto Rico disaster.


The airport was broken and it takes time to load a ship and get there.
In Texas and Florida trucks could get in relatively quick.

Trump being 'Trump' will not hinder rescue and recovery efforts.

It's not on TV news much because, frankly, it doesn't sell Doritos ads.
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« Reply #3715 on: September 26, 2017, 10:28:04 PM »
Quote from: Shifter on September 26, 2017, 10:21:11 PM
Quote from: Symptom on September 26, 2017, 10:13:50 PM

You really should keep taking everything I post literally. That's gonna be just great.

What even funnier is that we both are pretending to be serious while taking the piss at the same time but having each other both think we are serious when in fact we are actually taking the piss at the same time.

Is it you or me that cant actually tell?

You know, at this point I honestly can't tell. It was fun though.  ;D

I say we just leave this shit in AR where it belongs. Agreed?
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #3716 on: September 26, 2017, 10:32:54 PM »
Quote from: Rayzor on September 26, 2017, 10:10:09 PM
What do our American Friends on the forum, think about the Trump Administration response to Puerto Rico disaster.

https://s2.washingtonpost.com/camp-rw/?e=cmF5QGV0aGVpcmEubmV0&s=59cb301ffe1ff635a7640ca9

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“After one hundred years of citizenship, Puerto Ricans are prohibited from managing their own economy, negotiating their own trade relations, or setting their own consumer prices,” wrote Nelson Denis, author of “War Against All Puerto Ricans,” in an essay earlier this year. “Puerto Rico has been little more than a profit center for the United States: first as a naval coaling station, then as a sugar empire, a cheap labor supply, a tax haven, a captive market, and now as a municipal bond debtor and target for privatization. It is an island of beggars and billionaires: fought over by lawyers, bossed by absentee landlords, and clerked by politicians.”

Colonial neglect indeed.

I don't know anyone there, so I don't have a good grasp on the situation.

Trump's comments are as revolting as ever. No surprise there. Is this seriously the time to nag them about debt and infrastructure?
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #3717 on: September 26, 2017, 10:40:39 PM »
Quote from: Symptom on September 26, 2017, 10:28:04 PM
Quote from: Shifter on September 26, 2017, 10:21:11 PM
Quote from: Symptom on September 26, 2017, 10:13:50 PM

You really should keep taking everything I post literally. That's gonna be just great.

What even funnier is that we both are pretending to be serious while taking the piss at the same time but having each other both think we are serious when in fact we are actually taking the piss at the same time.

Is it you or me that cant actually tell?

You know, at this point I honestly can't tell. It was fun though.  ;D

I say we just leave this shit in AR where it belongs. Agreed?

Yeah OK, sometimes I post in there so much it spills over lol.

If the Puerto Ricans feel left out and forgotten maybe they should look back at what happened with Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans - and that was a US mainland
http://www.irgc.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Hurricane_Katrina_full_case_study_web.pdf

Perhaps they should just accept the reality that being on a little island makes it logistically more difficult and time consuming to get to and fix. And no amount of effort or money will undo the damage done in a couple of days. But I guess Trump in the hot seat and the race card is an easy play.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #3718 on: September 26, 2017, 10:47:59 PM »
Quote from: Shifter on September 26, 2017, 10:40:39 PM
Quote from: Symptom on September 26, 2017, 10:28:04 PM
Quote from: Shifter on September 26, 2017, 10:21:11 PM
Quote from: Symptom on September 26, 2017, 10:13:50 PM

You really should keep taking everything I post literally. That's gonna be just great.

What even funnier is that we both are pretending to be serious while taking the piss at the same time but having each other both think we are serious when in fact we are actually taking the piss at the same time.

Is it you or me that cant actually tell?

You know, at this point I honestly can't tell. It was fun though.  ;D

I say we just leave this shit in AR where it belongs. Agreed?

Yeah OK, sometimes I post in there so much it spills over lol.



Yeah, same here. Cheers, man.  ;)



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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #3719 on: September 27, 2017, 06:50:43 AM »
Quote from: Shifter on September 26, 2017, 09:05:25 PM
Quote from: Symptom on September 26, 2017, 08:27:23 PM
A flag is a piece of (most likely Made In China) cloth. Who cares.

Perhaps, but it's also a symbol. Clearly a concept lost on you.
Be careful not to confuse the symbol with what that symbol represents, lest the flag become more important than the country that it represents.

Never forget that the US is a country born of protests.  Protesting injustice is just about as patriotic as you can get.
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Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.
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