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Re: moon hoax information index.
« Reply #330 on: February 14, 2016, 09:19:27 PM »
No idea, but I would guess zero.  They likely welded most all of the joints.

You guess wrong; it is plainly covered in pop-rivets.

And I see little evidence of welds either; good luck welding paper-thin aluminium anyway!

Gone blind & mad have you?

Then how would you or they be able to intelligently know what the LEM should look like?

LOL!!!

Good excuse for presenting us with a trashcan & saying it's a spayze-shipp, clown!

But pilot visibility & comfort are not unimportant issues, clown.

Form follows function.

Exactly.

And as the LEM's function was as a movie-prop it looks like a cheap pile of trash.

Plus, it had precisely ZERO hours of flight-testing.

ZERO.

Again, if you think any sane pilot would hop in an untested machine & fly it in the most hazardous environment imaginable you are completely insane.

But we already know you are, don't we?

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« Reply #331 on: February 14, 2016, 10:03:53 PM »
Papa. Essentially your strongest argument is that it does not look like a Hollywood prop, therefore fake?
It was not flight tested for the same reason submarines are not flight tested.
If it did or did not use pop rivets, what point are you making? A 747 used rivets, you will find rivets on/in a submarine. It's a fixing detail, not a philosophical point.
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« Reply #332 on: February 14, 2016, 10:11:49 PM »
No idea, but I would guess zero.  They likely welded most all of the joints.

You guess wrong; it is plainly covered in pop-rivets.
So what if it is?  Again, pop rivets are perfectly acceptable in aircraft, so why not the lunar module?

And I see little evidence of welds either; good luck welding paper-thin aluminium anyway!
Welds don't have to be obvious to be there.

But pilot visibility & comfort are not unimportant issues, clown.
Pilot visibility was important and was addressed during the design process.  However, you were right about pilot comfort not being a priority. 

Form follows function.

Exactly.

And as the LEM's function was as a movie-prop it looks like a cheap pile of trash.
If it was just a nonfunctional prop, then why not make it pretty?

Plus, it had precisely ZERO hours of flight-testing.
Incorrect.  Apollo 9 tested the LEM in low earth orbit and Apollo 10 tested the LEM in lunar orbit and descent to within 10 miles of the lunar surface.

Again, if you think any sane pilot would hop in an untested machine & fly it in the most hazardous environment imaginable you are completely insane.
Then it's a good that they did flight test the lunar module twice before attempting a landing on the moon.
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« Reply #333 on: February 14, 2016, 10:41:32 PM »
Papa. Essentially your strongest argument is that it does not look like a Hollywood prop, therefore fake?
It was not flight tested for the same reason submarines are not flight tested.
If it did or did not use pop rivets, what point are you making? A 747 used rivets, you will find rivets on/in a submarine. It's a fixing detail, not a philosophical point.
LOL!!!

Wtf is wrong with you to write such nonsense?

Are you mental?

No idea, but I would guess zero.  They likely welded most all of the joints.

You guess wrong; it is plainly covered in pop-rivets.
So what if it is?  Again, pop rivets are perfectly acceptable in aircraft, so why not the lunar module?
LOL!!!

Wtf is wrong with you to write such nonsense too?

Are you mental?

You both seem to think that pilots are just crash test dummies & guinea pigs & need no training at all in the actual craft they fly, not to mention that those craft also need no flight testing whatsoever...

As well as that submarines are pop-riveted together & in some way comparable to shpayze-shippz.

You are all absolutely insane.

But what to expect from people who think this trashcan landed on teh munn 50 years ago:





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« Reply #334 on: February 14, 2016, 10:56:20 PM »

You both seem to think that pilots are just crash test dummies & guinea pigs & need no training at all in the actual craft they fly, not to mention that those craft also need no flight testing whatsoever...


You still here spreading your peculiar brand of ignorance and stupidity?   I thought you were leaving.

You obviously know zilch about the training and testing done on the LEM,   although the flying bedstead trainer was deemed to be more dangerous than flying the real thing. 
You can research it yourself.   

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« Reply #335 on: February 14, 2016, 11:07:55 PM »
You still here spreading your peculiar brand of ignorance and stupidity?

Nah; that's you.

Like trying to imply that the LEM was flight-tested...

Flat-out Lie.

And how would they know the flying bedstead was more dangerous than the 'real thing' when the 'real thing' hadn't even flown?

You are completely full of shit & know nothing about flight testing & development.

No pilot would get in a completely untested craft they had received no flight training in & take it on the most hazardous mission imaginable for their very 1st flight.

Anyone who claims otherwise is either Lying or Insane.

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« Reply #336 on: February 14, 2016, 11:13:40 PM »
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As well as that submarines are pop-riveted together & in some way comparable to shpayze-shippz.
So if I understand you correctly, a submarine that is pop riveted and experiences a difference in pressure equivalent to 28 bar (1940's era u-boats) is fine, but experiencing a 1 bar pressure difference require new special technology?

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You both seem to think that pilots are just crash test dummies & guinea pigs & need no training at all in the actual craft they fly, not to mention that those craft also need no flight testing whatsoever...
Who said that they where not tested or trained?

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« Reply #337 on: February 14, 2016, 11:55:45 PM »
Here's some info on the LLRV.

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Explains how they did  1/6th G,  Eventually the program was discontinued because it was actually more dangerous than the real thing.

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« Reply #338 on: February 15, 2016, 05:32:50 AM »
No idea, but I would guess zero.  They likely welded most all of the joints.

You guess wrong; it is plainly covered in pop-rivets.
So what if it is?  Again, pop rivets are perfectly acceptable in aircraft, so why not the lunar module?
LOL!!!

Wtf is wrong with you to write such nonsense too?
So you can't give me a reason.  Good to know.

You both seem to think that pilots are just crash test dummies & guinea pigs & need no training at all in the actual craft they fly, not to mention that those craft also need no flight testing whatsoever...
The Apollo astronauts were, for the most part, highly trained military test pilots who received many hours of training in various simulators before their first flights.  The hardware was also flight tested in several unmanned missions (Apollo 2-6) before the astronauts were allowed to fly.

As well as that submarines are pop-riveted together & in some way comparable to shpayze-shippz.
Please point out exactly where the pop rivets were used in the lunar module and why you feel that they are not appropriate, otherwise you're just ranting.
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« Reply #339 on: February 15, 2016, 06:23:16 AM »
@ rayzor.

How's your research in documented and admitted conspiracies coming along ?

I see you are just spamming the tired old narrative, confirmation bias ?
I'm glad to see you have dropped your misunderstood psychological slurs, any advancement in your understanding of the subject ?

and at risk of giving you a nice little escape route into preprepared cut and paste mode your golf movie looked very strange.  :D
Did the golf ball make orbit ?  :D

@rayzor

I also have "thousand of hours of video, photographs, engineering reports, detailed plans",
The difference is our we look at them from different perspectives.
I wonder if you have ever questioned any of it,
doubt it somehow.
classic example of confirmation bias.

Laboratory results of tested rain water,
Have you not googled it ?
Why not ?

You also demand I provide the history of conspiracies,
Again simply go to a search engine and search for proven conspiracies.
The thousands of cases should keep you busy for years,
But again I doubt you will even entertain the idea.
There's that confirmation bias at work again.


Now, on to your continued confusion.
I'm aware of the strand of research into cognitive malfunction (Dunning and Kruger) however their research is completely unrelated to our discussion on confirmation bias.


the two differing fields are completely unrelated and do not support each other as you attempted to do.

You were throwing around a term incorrectly and also as a slur,

cognitive bias is classed as process outside the healthy and functioning mean.
Confirmation bias is a basic information loop all healthy functioning brains have.,
You should already know modern scientific institutions have taken confirmation bias to worrying   extremes.

In short your confirmation bias means you have no need to seek information that might contradict your world view, you will only accept information that supports your world view.
does everyone set out to prove themselves wrong ?
Or do we all attempt to confirm our beliefs ?
 
This is not a malfunction as you attempted to claim,
I could go on but you get the point.
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« Reply #340 on: February 15, 2016, 07:21:17 AM »
NO U!!!

Meh...

NO U!!!

Meh...

NO U!!!

Meh...

Plus, none of you addressed this:

why not just at least get binoculars and look up when the ISS is visible in your area.

Oh, I did that on thursday.

It was precisely twelve hours late & suffered a spotlight malfunction that revealed it to be a small airliner...

Like a gulfstream or something?

I didn't even need binoculars.

However, I do suspect it may have adaptive camouflage of some sort, which was kinda interesting.

But whatever; it's just another shabby parlour-trick from the cheapskates at NASA/ESA.

Hence the need for the 3,000-man Lying Machine you are a laughably obvious minion of.

Toodle-pip, small cog in a shite machine!

As you have all been nagging me to observe the silly fake ISS it is a bit rich when you ignore the results of the same observations you demanded I make.

But consistent logic is not something i expect from you frankly; it took me 2 minutes to observe that the ISS is a Gulfstream jet with a spotlight stuck to it, whilst you retards have probably been drooling at the stupid goddamn thing for years without noticing that rather obvious fact.

Why?

Brain damage.

And blackmail!

LULZ!!!

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« Reply #341 on: February 15, 2016, 07:49:11 AM »
NO U!!!
So you admit that you have nothing intelligent to say.  Good to know.
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« Reply #342 on: February 15, 2016, 07:55:47 AM »
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« Reply #343 on: February 15, 2016, 09:01:34 AM »
BTW, what is the most compelling evidence YOU know of that supports the idea man has moon golfed ?.
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;D ^
Still awaiting some responses to this thought experiment.

Watch and point out the obvious mistakes.


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« Reply #344 on: February 15, 2016, 12:02:36 PM »
BTW, what is the most compelling evidence YOU know of that supports the idea man has moon golfed ?.
Here you go.
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;D ^
Still awaiting some responses to this thought experiment.

Watch and point out the obvious mistakes.

Just found a better quality video without the compression artefacts.

Obvious mistakes:

None
None
And none

Sorry.
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« Reply #345 on: February 15, 2016, 12:12:52 PM »
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« Reply #346 on: February 15, 2016, 03:32:42 PM »
BTW, what is the most compelling evidence YOU know of that supports the idea man has moon golfed ?.
Here you go.
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;D ^
Still awaiting some responses to this thought experiment.

Watch and point out the obvious mistakes.

Just found a better quality video without the compression artefacts.

Obvious mistakes:

None
None
And none

Sorry.

Nope,  looks fine to me also.   So what do you think the problem is?

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« Reply #347 on: February 15, 2016, 07:32:30 PM »
Nope,  looks fine to me also.

^ Every post Rayzor has made on this thread summed up.

Brainiac Homie Rayzor has been everywhere, done everything & has degrees in every subject...

Yet here he is peddling disinfo on a flat earth forum for 16 hours every day.

Yeah; sounds legit.
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« Reply #348 on: February 15, 2016, 07:59:41 PM »
Nope,  looks fine to me also.

^ Every post Rayzor has made on this thread summed up.

Brainiac Homie Rayzor has been everywhere, done everything & has degrees in every subject...

Yet here he is peddling disinfo on a flat earth forum for 16 hours every day.

Yeah; sounds legit.

Where do you get 16 hours per day from?     Maybe  10 minutes here and there.   

And what's with this disinfo crap?   Just because you lack the critical faculties to distinguish truth from fiction, doesn't mean the rest of us can't.


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« Reply #349 on: February 15, 2016, 09:22:04 PM »
Maybe  10 minutes here and there.

LOL!!!

You practically live here, you Lying Psycho!

I've timed you ffs; you once spent 14 hours straight stalking & Thought-Policing myself, then another 2 hours stamping on other members Thought-Crimes..

You all do this: 16-hour shifts of Shitposting & Lying.

You seem to change over around 7 am GMT; that's the only time I don't get Instant Astroturfing Shite in reply to my posts...

Perhaps you should get some poor victim to plug the gap?

Wtf is WRONG with you all to think no-one notices this crazed OCD behaviour?

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« Reply #350 on: February 15, 2016, 09:34:27 PM »
Maybe  10 minutes here and there.

LOL!!!

You practically live here, you Lying Psycho!

I've timed you ffs; you once spent 14 hours straight stalking & Thought-Policing myself, then another 2 hours stamping on other members Thought-Crimes..

You all do this: 16-hour shifts of Shitposting & Lying.

You seem to change over around 7 am GMT; that's the only time I don't get Instant Astroturfing Shite in reply to my posts...

Perhaps you should get some poor victim to plug the gap?

Wtf is WRONG with you all to think no-one notices this crazed OCD behaviour?

GTFO, Loser!

Wait. . . you timed another user for over 14 hours and then accuse them of being here too long?!


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« Reply #351 on: February 15, 2016, 09:48:41 PM »
NO U!!!

Reintroducing the 'M' themed sock-puppets are we?

Missed them did we?

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« Reply #352 on: February 15, 2016, 10:45:09 PM »
I've timed you ffs; you once spent 14 hours straight stalking & Thought-Policing myself, then another 2 hours stamping on other members Thought-Crimes..

Now you really are delusional.   No wonder you have such trouble distinguishing fact from fiction.     The moon landings were real BTW.  Everybody knows that, well,  except you and a miniscule number of your delusional conspiracy friends.


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« Reply #353 on: February 15, 2016, 11:55:26 PM »
delusional... trouble distinguishing fact from fiction... The moon landings were real... delusional... conspiracy...

Fantastic.

And how much time do you claim to spend here with all us crazy people, Homie Rayzor?

Let's see:

Maybe  10 minutes here and there.

Teh lulz!

I couldn't make this shit up if I tried...

You are fucking priceless, you know?
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« Reply #354 on: February 16, 2016, 12:17:57 AM »
You are fucking priceless, you know?

Thank you.  I appreciate the compliment.
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« Reply #355 on: February 16, 2016, 12:39:41 AM »
People are laughing AT you, not WITH you, Homie Rayzor.

Just fyi.
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« Reply #356 on: February 16, 2016, 12:57:37 AM »
People are laughing AT you, not WITH you, Homie Rayzor.

You should hear what they say about you...   but then again, maybe you shouldn't.  LOL!

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« Reply #357 on: February 16, 2016, 01:22:08 AM »
NO U!!!

Have you got a degree in NO U!! too, Walter Mitty?

Whatever; you've made another complete fool of yourself today.

The times on your posts clearly show you've been here for hours on end.

Plus, you've plugged the 7am quiet time I mentioned, thus proving you are in fact here solely to stalk & Thought-Police myself...

What a Loser.

Nice derailing attempts though.

But I'll just repost anything useful on the next page, as doubtless will feuk, so meh...

Poor you; all them degrees & skills & experience you claim to have, yet this place seems to be your entire life.

Sounds legit & completely normal.

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« Reply #358 on: February 16, 2016, 03:37:05 AM »
Obviously rayzor has ditched his homework on researching proven and admitted conspiracies,
and has also ditched his psychology homework,
No matter the thread still reads well.

Now onto moon golfing.
Not surprising the moon golfing clip completely passes over the heads of the usual suspects,
The regolith and ball are obviously not acting in an environment allegedly with only 18% of earth gravity (as we are told),

But it's that lovely sound all golfers love,
the smack you hear when you catch the ball just right.
shots 1 and 3 are all regolith,
at 52 seconds on rayzors "compelling evidence" we can clearly hear the ball being caught just right,

The player even exclaims how he caught it,

of course sounds travelling through the vacuum of space in the Apollo movies are very common,
we can hear hammering, banging, crashing and even foot shuffling.

NASA used to tell kids the sound travelled up the suit much like how a "drum skin" acts,
and was recorded because the sound vibrated through the air filled suit.

The trouble with this is that sounds are recorded with no suit contact (see the clattering lids on moon buggy compartments), no physical contact yet sound recorded travelling in a vacuum.

But more than that the magical sound of space labour has now become redundant on the ISS,
we now don't hear a peep, and the labourers are on record as describing the complete silence when on a labour intensive walk.

so, my question what is the current stance on sound travelling in an alleged vacuum ?
where does this leave the Apollo movies ?
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« Reply #359 on: February 16, 2016, 04:01:24 AM »
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all kinds of things involving sound

I am not going to discuss the video, as you seemed to have answered it anyway.

What I want to know from you, if they faked the moon landings, and they knew very well what to expect up there then why would they let sound throu the mike?

We have a conspiracy that involved the collaboration of multiple countries that have zero interest in the USA agenda. The construction of Billions of dollars worth of equipment. Silencing of thousands of people. Film and CGI teams that would make Hollywood seem like a home YouTube channel. And then they forget to fix the sound? This is super easy to do a recording over, you dont even have to voice sync. Doing sound right would be the easiest part of the entire conspiracy.
"Oh yes they made a mistake and we got them" you will say. Sure, but they have gone over every image and video countless times to conceal the conspiracy, if one got out, why not just pull it from youtube, fix and republish?  I mean, they control pretty much everything according to TFES, why would they not be able to control their very own content?

Your conspiracy requires superhuman team work and intelligence on the one hand mixed with a bunch of grade 5 school kids.

Your conspiracy makes zero sense?!
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