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Which way is up again?

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mxmm

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Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #150 on: August 07, 2008, 08:36:17 PM »
1: A person facing me says something is their right
2: But I see that it is actually to my left
3: If the earth is flat, something MUST be to the left or right definitely
4: FE does not compensate for this, thus it is not a viable theory

See, I can do it too!
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narcberry

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Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #151 on: August 07, 2008, 08:40:50 PM »
Is that your way of saying, "Narcberry, I guess I have no way to answer your question. Thanks for showing me my error." ?
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Roundy the Truthinessist

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Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #152 on: August 07, 2008, 08:46:17 PM »
Left is west.  Everybody knows that.  ::)
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cbarnett97

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Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #153 on: August 07, 2008, 08:53:53 PM »
Quote from: narcberry on August 07, 2008, 08:13:18 PM


Which direction is up based on RET? (That means explain why your answer is based on RET)
what am I computing?
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Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #154 on: August 07, 2008, 09:35:14 PM »
Quote from: cbarnett97 on August 07, 2008, 08:53:53 PM
what am I computing?

Quote from: narcberry on August 07, 2008, 08:13:18 PM
Which direction is up based on RET? (That means explain why your answer is based on RET)
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mxmm

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Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #155 on: August 07, 2008, 10:26:06 PM »
Quote from: narcberry on August 07, 2008, 09:35:14 PM
Quote from: cbarnett97 on August 07, 2008, 08:53:53 PM
what am I computing?

Quote from: narcberry on August 07, 2008, 08:13:18 PM
Which direction is up based on RET? (That means explain why your answer is based on RET)

I already told you, "up" has a relative meaning. If you can't comprehend that answer... well... all hope is lost.
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cbarnett97

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Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #156 on: August 07, 2008, 10:51:44 PM »
Quote from: cbarnett97 on August 07, 2008, 08:53:53 PM
Quote from: narcberry on August 07, 2008, 08:13:18 PM


Which direction is up based on RET? (That means explain why your answer is based on RET)
what am I computing?
let me be more specific, what problem relating to this spacecraft do you want me to solve and then I will tell you which way is up
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Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #157 on: August 07, 2008, 11:14:38 PM »
He wants to know which way is up.  >:(
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mxmm

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Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #158 on: August 07, 2008, 11:28:51 PM »
Quote from: Mrs. Peach on August 07, 2008, 11:14:38 PM
He wants to know which way is up.  >:(

That is not possible to tell if there is no information given on the acceleration of the observer. Up is relative.
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cbarnett97

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Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #159 on: August 08, 2008, 12:37:08 AM »
Which Way is up using the FE model?


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Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #160 on: August 08, 2008, 02:18:55 AM »
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mxmm

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Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #161 on: August 08, 2008, 10:24:51 AM »
Quote from: Jack. on August 08, 2008, 02:18:55 AM
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But I just flipped my monitor over and that's not the direction in which bubbles float! Therefore FE is obsolete and stupid! Thanks for pointing me in the right direction (no pun intended.)
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ghazwozza

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Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #162 on: August 08, 2008, 03:10:52 PM »
You seem to have competely ignored my definition. Is it a bit too tricky for you?

Quote from: ghazwozza on August 06, 2008, 08:43:18 AM
Quote from: ghazwozza on August 06, 2008, 08:21:23 AM
In a gravitational field, "up" is almost always* defined to point exactly opposite to the direction of acceleration due to gravity.

Mathematically, if u have a gravitational potential given by a function G(x,y,z) then "up" points in the direction of Grad G (usually written ∇G).

*The only exception would be in an accelerating system e.g. a spacecraft.
EDIT: Or you could define "up" differently if it would make things easier, like cbarnett said, but peple usually don't.

Alternatively, here's a simpler one:

"Down" is the direction objects accelerate when released. "Up" is the opposite of "down"

There! An unambiguous and simple definition.
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Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #163 on: August 08, 2008, 03:44:12 PM »
So I throw a ball away from the ground. When my hand releases the ball, it travels away from the surface of earth. This is down?
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mxmm

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Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #164 on: August 08, 2008, 03:53:09 PM »
Quote from: narcberry on August 08, 2008, 03:44:12 PM
So I throw a ball away from the ground. When my hand releases the ball, it travels away from the surface of earth. This is down?

When it leaves your hand, it accelerates downward (towards the center of the earth)... Do you understand anything we tell you?
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ghazwozza

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Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #165 on: August 08, 2008, 03:54:43 PM »
Quote from: narcberry on August 08, 2008, 03:44:12 PM
So I throw a ball away from the ground. When my hand releases the ball, it travels away from the surface of earth. This is down?

That is one of the most retarded things I've heard since theflatearthsociety.org came back up.

Quote from: ghazwozza on August 08, 2008, 03:10:52 PM
"Down" is the direction objects accelerate when released. "Up" is the opposite of "down"

The ball will travel away from the Earth but accelerate towards it. Comprende?
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ghazwozza

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Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #166 on: August 08, 2008, 03:55:39 PM »
Ah, I see mxmm got there before me.

So Narc, are you goign to answer us or just ignore us, as you normally do with tricky responses?
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narcberry

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Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #167 on: August 08, 2008, 04:09:18 PM »
I'm still waiting for someone to answer my simple question. There are at least 4 of you ignoring it.
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mxmm

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Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #168 on: August 08, 2008, 04:19:46 PM »
Quote from: narcberry on August 08, 2008, 04:09:18 PM
I'm still waiting for someone to answer my simple question. There are at least 4 of you ignoring it.

But you sadly don't understand, we have already answered it for 9 pages. If you aren't smart enough to accept something that you didn't think of yourself, fine. Just don't critique us like you actually can disprove any of our definitions.
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narcberry

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Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #169 on: August 08, 2008, 05:45:41 PM »
The last 9 pages have said:
FE has a consistent predictable answer.
RE has a different answer each time you ask the question.


I'm sorry guys, but FE simply won this one.
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mxmm

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Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #170 on: August 08, 2008, 05:53:42 PM »
Quote from: narcberry on August 08, 2008, 05:45:41 PM
The last 9 pages have said:
FE has a consistent predictable answer.
RE has a different answer each time you ask the question.


I'm sorry guys, but FE simply won this one.

Inconsistencies in the people who believe a scientific theory (but misunderstand it) doesn't make a theory wrong.

If I were to use that logic, I could say that since all your theories on certain phenomena of nature (FE'ers) are basically incompatible, then I could say RE wins all of them.

Let me stress this again, you can not battle an argument by pointing to some of its believers who misunderstand it and say "A-ha! It must therefore be invalid." You must make a logical argument against it, which have yet to do.
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Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #171 on: August 08, 2008, 06:13:03 PM »
Not until you make a logical answer which you can all agree on, until then there's no point in arguing with 4 or 5 different people.
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No but I'm guess your what? 90? Cause you just so darn mature </sarcasm>
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mxmm

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Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #172 on: August 08, 2008, 06:13:57 PM »
Quote from: General Douchebag on August 08, 2008, 06:13:03 PM
Not until you make a logical answer which you can all agree on, until then there's no point in arguing with 4 or 5 different people.

But the thing is... we all say it is relative... How is that inconsistent?
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Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #173 on: August 08, 2008, 06:22:48 PM »
We say it isn't. There really isn't much logical arguing you can do with "up", so, um... Your retarted.
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Quote from: Baseball4Life on April 16, 2010, 09:54:41 AM
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Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #174 on: August 08, 2008, 07:02:50 PM »
Quote from: narcberry on August 08, 2008, 04:09:18 PM
I'm still waiting for someone to answer my simple question. There are at least 4 of you ignoring it.

Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black.  I wouldn't talk about people ignoring your questions when you do the same all the time.
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bobbyg2

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Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #175 on: August 08, 2008, 07:14:04 PM »
Up is relative to your position of Earth or any other planet. Up is the direction opposite of the pull of gravity.
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narcberry

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Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #176 on: August 08, 2008, 07:17:05 PM »
Quote from: mxmm on August 08, 2008, 06:13:57 PM
But the thing is... we all say it is relative... How is that inconsistent?

Because you define relative as:
Above your head, being relative to each person
Against your acceleration, being relative to each object
Towards the sky, being relative to your position
Away from earth, being relative to your definition of earth
Whatever you want it to be, being relative to your mood


Sure they are all relative, but you can't honestly be saying those are consistent.

Also, no answer from RE still. ANOTHER VICTORY FOR FE!!!
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bobbyg2

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Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #177 on: August 08, 2008, 07:38:26 PM »
There is no universal up. You're basing your assumptions on your belief that the Earth is flat.

Up is the direction opposite of the pull of gravity on you.
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mxmm

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Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #178 on: August 08, 2008, 07:54:51 PM »
Quote from: narcberry on August 08, 2008, 07:17:05 PM
Quote from: mxmm on August 08, 2008, 06:13:57 PM
But the thing is... we all say it is relative... How is that inconsistent?

Because you define relative as:
Above your head, being relative to each person
Against your acceleration, being relative to each object
Towards the sky, being relative to your position
Away from earth, being relative to your definition of earth
Whatever you want it to be, being relative to your mood


Sure they are all relative, but you can't honestly be saying those are consistent.

Also, no answer from RE still. ANOTHER VICTORY FOR FE!!!

That is because we are assuming that we are on the surface of the earth. Their generalizations are very good most of the time, but the most technical depends on the direction of acceleration.
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Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #179 on: August 08, 2008, 08:47:49 PM »
Even on earth that doesn't make sense. Look at 3 scenarios:
1) In an elevator going away from the surface of earth. Your acceleration would be away from the center of earth.
2) Sitting in a chair, posting on FES. You are not accelerating away or towards the center of earth.
3) Jumping off something. Your acceleration would be towards the center of earth.

All 3 scenarios are quite likely. All 3 scenarios denote a different 'up' by RE'ers definitions.
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