Which way is up again?

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narcberry

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Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #90 on: August 05, 2008, 06:26:07 PM »
Got it, 'up' is meaningless on RE.
So if it's so meaningless, why all the debate?

Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #91 on: August 05, 2008, 08:06:41 PM »
Got it, 'up' is meaningless on RE.
So if it's so meaningless, why all the debate?
We dont know since you are the one who brought it up in the first place
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Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #92 on: August 05, 2008, 08:13:45 PM »
Well what do you know about RE?
And I brought it up because it shows that FE is consistent and RE is not.

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Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #93 on: August 05, 2008, 09:19:21 PM »
Debate? No debate here, just a continual correction of your errors.
You don't even have the backing of other FE's.

There is no consistency in FE theory. In one person's model there are inconsistencies let alone between the multitude of theories.

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Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #94 on: August 05, 2008, 09:23:23 PM »
Unlike popularity theorists, my studies do not require the popular vote. I base my reasoning on evidence.

Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #95 on: August 05, 2008, 10:15:23 PM »
Well what do you know about RE?
And I brought it up because it shows that FE is consistent and RE is not.
how So?
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Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #96 on: August 05, 2008, 10:21:22 PM »
RE cannot predict what 'up' is.

Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #97 on: August 05, 2008, 10:24:08 PM »
RE cannot predict what 'up' is.
why would we need to?
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Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #98 on: August 05, 2008, 10:27:28 PM »
Because RE uses it. If it uses something it cannot define... well.

Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #99 on: August 05, 2008, 10:28:56 PM »
Because RE uses it. If it uses something it cannot define... well.
up is the direction that will be positive numbers. so tell me why we need to provide a single direction for that again?
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Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #100 on: August 05, 2008, 10:30:37 PM »
Explain this:
up is the direction that will be positive numbers.

And I'll answer this:
so tell me why we need to provide a single direction for that again?

Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #101 on: August 05, 2008, 10:32:31 PM »
when you set up your coordinate system you will denote "up" as the direction that falls into the first quadrant of your graph, so that is why we typically use "up" as the region above our heads, after all it would look wierd if your altitude was a negative number
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narcberry

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Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #102 on: August 05, 2008, 10:34:40 PM »
So you agree, 'up' is a universal direction?

Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #103 on: August 05, 2008, 10:37:17 PM »
up is whatever you want it to be, if you were drilling a mine shaft would it not be a bit easier to make "up" point towads the ground so as you dig deeper you will get a positive result?
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narcberry

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Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #104 on: August 05, 2008, 10:39:10 PM »
So if you were victim to an avalanche, and could not orientate yourself; digging in *any* direction will get you 'up' and out?

Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #105 on: August 05, 2008, 10:40:45 PM »
So if you were victim to an avalanche, and could not orientate yourself; digging in *any* direction will get you 'up' and out?
no digging toward the surface will get me out, if I made my "up" in the wrong direction, I would just dig a negative distance from my origin
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narcberry

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Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #106 on: August 05, 2008, 10:41:19 PM »
So 'up' can be towards the surface of the earth?

Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #107 on: August 05, 2008, 10:42:37 PM »
So 'up' can be towards the surface of the earth?
"UP" is the first quadrant in your coordinate system

Edit: it could also be in the second quadrant as well
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narcberry

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Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #108 on: August 05, 2008, 11:12:31 PM »
..right, as you mentioned before, it can be whatever you want it to be.
Why not q3 and 4?

Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #109 on: August 05, 2008, 11:35:11 PM »
..right, as you mentioned before, it can be whatever you want it to be.
Why not q3 and 4?
those are negative numbers, but I guess if you really want to make that "up" then I guess you can. It is just not how I was taught
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dyno

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Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #110 on: August 06, 2008, 06:26:39 AM »
Up is an arbitrarily selected heading from your origin point. It has nothing to do with RE theory.

How is this different to FE?

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Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #111 on: August 06, 2008, 06:29:55 AM »
Asking which way is "up" on a Round Earth is like asking which way is "out" from the centre of a ball. If you attempt to use this reasoning to prove that a Round Earth can't exist, then one could also attempt to use it to show that a ball can't exist.
I'm going to side with the white supremacists.

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Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #112 on: August 06, 2008, 06:37:23 AM »
Up is an arbitrarily selected heading from your origin point. It has nothing to do with RE theory.

How is this different to FE?

It demonstrates that the FES has a sense of humor.

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Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #113 on: August 06, 2008, 06:40:54 AM »
Up is an arbitrarily selected heading from your origin point. It has nothing to do with RE theory.

How is this different to FE?

It demonstrates that the FES has a sense of humor.

Wow, that's excellent. =)
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Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #114 on: August 06, 2008, 08:43:18 AM »
Wow, Narc, you really do have trouble understanding simple concepts. Here, let me repost something I just posted on another thread:

In a gravitational field, "up" is almost always* defined to point exactly opposite to the direction of acceleration due to gravity.

Mathematically, if u have a gravitational potential given by a function G(x,y,z) then "up" points in the direction of Grad G (usually written ∇G).

*The only exception would be in an accelerating system e.g. a spacecraft.
EDIT: Or you could define "up" differently if it would make things easier, like cbarnett said, but peple usually don't.

As you can see, on Earth "up" will always be towards the sky and away from the centre of the Earth. Objects will always fall "down". On the moon, "up" will be away from the centre of the moon.

Do you understand this definition? Have you got any problems with it?

Of course, this definition would only work in RET.
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narcberry

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Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #115 on: August 06, 2008, 03:13:11 PM »
So in an airplane, which is flying through the sky, which way is up?
RE'ers can't even figure out what they mean when they say 'up'.

Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #116 on: August 06, 2008, 03:33:36 PM »
which way is up in FET?
Only 2 things are infinite the universe and human stupidity, but I am not sure about the former.

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narcberry

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Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #117 on: August 06, 2008, 04:26:54 PM »
The direction of earths acceleration.

See how simple it is to have a theory that can give accurate definitions?

Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #118 on: August 06, 2008, 04:29:04 PM »
The direction of earths acceleration.

See how simple it is to have a theory that can give accurate definitions?
why is that up
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narcberry

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Re: Which way is up again?
« Reply #119 on: August 06, 2008, 04:32:20 PM »
By definition.

Now that I've managed to confront, and correctly answer your question, feel free to answer mine.

So in an airplane, which is flying through the sky, which way is up?
RE'ers can't even figure out what they mean when they say 'up'.