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Sun/(Moon) Significantly Above the Horizon

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Oog the Caveman

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Re: Sun/(Moon) Significantly Above the Horizon
« Reply #90 on: April 16, 2007, 05:37:37 PM »
C'mon FE'rs! Don't give up, I'm sure you can come up with some fascinating explanations for the problems pointed out in this thread. We believe in you!
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Re: Sun/(Moon) Significantly Above the Horizon
« Reply #91 on: May 20, 2007, 07:05:17 PM »
ahahahahha

I'm loving how this thread hasn't been touched for over a month. silly buggers.
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Re: Sun/(Moon) Significantly Above the Horizon
« Reply #92 on: May 22, 2007, 02:03:28 PM »
Quote from: joeyen on May 22, 2007, 01:49:38 PM
and I'm sure everyone knows that people like TheEngineer will always ignore posts like this which obviously disproves FE; and instead focus on the gravitation/GPS/space travel threads in which the purpose of disproving FE is obscured to sound semi-intelligent.

People post where they want and about what they want.  Just because someone may seem to be a Fe'er to you, doesn't mean they are.  And if such a person was posting, and saw this thread and couldn't immediately come up with an answer for Fe, doesn't mean they ignore the thread, but possibly that they don't want to go through the time and effort to think of answers when it really doesn't matter.
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cpt_bthimes

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Re: Sun/(Moon) Significantly Above the Horizon
« Reply #93 on: October 25, 2007, 11:14:36 AM »
another perplexing question bishop abandoned. 

...tho i would point out that the yellow line from sun to cloud isn't accurate, the atmosphere refracts it so it would be curved some.  but it in terms of a simplified diagram it gets the point across perfectly.


Quote from: Oog the Caveman on April 03, 2007, 11:58:49 PM
Something else to consider: at sunrise, clouds are clearly illuminated from the east, before the surface of the earth receives direct sunlight. This is because the sun is shining over the horizon at an indirect angle, as such:


A spotlight that was shining "down" onto the Earth, such as the one in the FE model, would actually cause the land to be illuminated before the clouds overhead, because spotlights create a cone of light that expands as it shines downwards. This is easily observed by standing near a spotlight in the street that is pointing straight down. The light would project a cone, like so:


Raise your hand directly above your head and it will be out of direct light, while your feet will be illuminated. This phenomenon does not occur on Earth. That is - a cloud is never outside of direct sunlight while the ground below is in direct sunlight.
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cpt_bthimes

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Re: Sun/(Moon) Significantly Above the Horizon
« Reply #94 on: October 27, 2007, 01:28:18 PM »
still waiting for bishop's answer. or any answer. he just ignores questions he can't bs his way though.

Quote from: cpt_bthimes on October 25, 2007, 11:14:36 AM
another perplexing question bishop abandoned...

Quote from: Oog the Caveman on April 03, 2007, 11:58:49 PM
Something else to consider: at sunrise, clouds are clearly illuminated from the east, before the surface of the earth receives direct sunlight. This is because the sun is shining over the horizon at an indirect angle, as such:


A spotlight that was shining "down" onto the Earth, such as the one in the FE model, would actually cause the land to be illuminated before the clouds overhead, because spotlights create a cone of light that expands as it shines downwards. This is easily observed by standing near a spotlight in the street that is pointing straight down. The light would project a cone, like so:


Raise your hand directly above your head and it will be out of direct light, while your feet will be illuminated. This phenomenon does not occur on Earth. That is - a cloud is never outside of direct sunlight while the ground below is in direct sunlight.
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Re: Sun/(Moon) Significantly Above the Horizon
« Reply #95 on: October 27, 2007, 02:21:05 PM »




« Last Edit: October 27, 2007, 03:18:33 PM by Trekky0623 »
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Re: Sun/(Moon) Significantly Above the Horizon
« Reply #96 on: October 28, 2007, 07:08:52 AM »
I love that.  ;D
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Re: Sun/(Moon) Significantly Above the Horizon
« Reply #97 on: October 28, 2007, 08:12:47 AM »
LOL
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Oog the Caveman

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Re: Sun/(Moon) Significantly Above the Horizon
« Reply #98 on: July 01, 2008, 09:17:19 PM »
Still wondering what the FE'rs thoughts on these concepts are. Any explanations yet?

-Oog, 1 year & 3 months later

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Re: Sun/(Moon) Significantly Above the Horizon
« Reply #99 on: August 22, 2008, 01:24:05 PM »
Yes, are there any more thoughts on this matter?
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Re: Sun/(Moon) Significantly Above the Horizon
« Reply #100 on: August 23, 2008, 08:24:30 AM »
Quote from: Samuel Birley Rowbotham on August 22, 2008, 01:24:05 PM
Yes, are there any more thoughts on this matter?

Visual observation of the sun's position simply cannot be trusted. Look up the expedition of the Novaya Zemlya, They observed the sun in the "wrong" position for two weeks. RE people write it off as a "superior mirage" - even though the sun was supposed to be below the horizon at the time, the atmosphere somehow magically bent the light so that the sun was visible. Only way to reconcile the observtion with the stated curvature of the earth.

Well, if you can use atmospheric distortions to write off results that don't fit your paradigm, I can certainly use them to write off results that don't fit mine...
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Re: Sun/(Moon) Significantly Above the Horizon
« Reply #101 on: November 07, 2008, 04:20:13 PM »
Omg this thred is ace!

FE's have nothing!

Great points btw guys!
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DuckAndCower

Re: Sun/(Moon) Significantly Above the Horizon
« Reply #102 on: December 30, 2008, 11:51:18 AM »
Yep, I believe this qualifies as an "epic fail".
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Re: Sun/(Moon) Significantly Above the Horizon
« Reply #103 on: December 30, 2008, 12:14:50 PM »
And here we have the thread that FE believers cannot disprove.
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Re: Sun/(Moon) Significantly Above the Horizon
« Reply #104 on: December 30, 2008, 12:33:37 PM »
I thought this was just a place where educated people went to try and prove something is happening when they know it really isn't. Just some elaborate game of false evidence. You mean the people who run this site actually believe the world is flat? I can tell you that the world is round and there is a lot more happening on this earth then believe in this BS.

But I'm here to watch you guys argue as I take a back seat for the show. *grabs popcorn and sits in the back row*
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Re: Sun/(Moon) Significantly Above the Horizon
« Reply #105 on: January 25, 2009, 12:33:59 PM »
I wanted to point out that the "sacred text" chapter nine does not really explain the sunset as well as an round earth model. Keep in mind that both models work but round model need less explanation.
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A flock of birds, when passing over a flat or marshy country, always appears to descend is it recedes; and if the flock is extensive, the first bird appears lower or nearer to the horizon than the last, although they are at the same actual altitude above the earth immediately beneath them.
  This is because the earth is round. The evidence is circumstantial. He uses an assumption that the earth is flat to make his point.
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grogberries

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Re: Sun/(Moon) Significantly Above the Horizon
« Reply #106 on: January 26, 2009, 02:14:27 AM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 19, 2007, 02:22:45 PM
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I am curious how the sunsets can be explained as "too far to see" or an "optical illusion"

Explained in Chapter 9 of the book Earth Not a Globe:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za27.htm

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Also, the shape of the sun and moon should appear to change as they move over the FE.

The sun is a sphere. Its light is limited to a spotlight.

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Basicly, earthlings would be able to see the sun from anywhere on a flat earth.. even if the sun wasn't shinning directly on them.

The sun is very small and very close to the earth. This allows the sun to only light one section of the world at a time.



The sun would appear smaller at sunrise and sun set, yet it actually appears larger! Hmm?
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Tom Bishop

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Re: Sun/(Moon) Significantly Above the Horizon
« Reply #107 on: January 26, 2009, 02:15:18 AM »
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The sun would appear smaller at sunrise and sun set, yet it actually appears larger! Hmm?

There's a chapter dedicated to the subject in Earth Not a Globe.
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grogberries

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Re: Sun/(Moon) Significantly Above the Horizon
« Reply #108 on: January 26, 2009, 02:17:35 AM »
Is it in chapter nine?
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Re: Sun/(Moon) Significantly Above the Horizon
« Reply #109 on: January 26, 2009, 02:19:31 AM »
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grogberries

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Re: Sun/(Moon) Significantly Above the Horizon
« Reply #110 on: January 26, 2009, 02:52:48 AM »


If this diagram were true. Then the sun would appear very large and red always in the arctic. If I lived in the exact center of the flat earth, the sun would never seem to set because I'm always an equal distance away from the sun. This diagram is assuming we are on the equator where the sun will pass directly over our heads.
« Last Edit: January 26, 2009, 03:08:37 AM by grogberries »
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Re: Sun/(Moon) Significantly Above the Horizon
« Reply #111 on: January 26, 2009, 08:59:04 AM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on January 26, 2009, 02:15:18 AM
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The sun would appear smaller at sunrise and sun set, yet it actually appears larger! Hmm?

There's a chapter dedicated to the subject in Earth Not a Globe.

How many posts did you skip over to get to this one?
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Re: Sun/(Moon) Significantly Above the Horizon
« Reply #112 on: January 26, 2009, 01:19:03 PM »
I wanna know how they explain time zones...
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Re: Sun/(Moon) Significantly Above the Horizon
« Reply #113 on: January 26, 2009, 01:25:53 PM »
Quote from: Bollocks on January 26, 2009, 01:19:03 PM
I wanna know how they explain time zones...
The same way RE does.  Look at a FE map sometime.  ::)
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Re: Sun/(Moon) Significantly Above the Horizon
« Reply #114 on: January 26, 2009, 02:14:23 PM »
Quote from: Vladtheimpaler on January 26, 2009, 08:59:04 AM
Quote from: Tom Bishop on January 26, 2009, 02:15:18 AM
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The sun would appear smaller at sunrise and sun set, yet it actually appears larger! Hmm?

There's a chapter dedicated to the subject in Earth Not a Globe.

How many posts did you skip over to get to this one?

It's an important topic. Rowbotham is wrong and his ideas on perspective are silly. I take perspective very seriously. I will not let it get tainted!
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Re: Sun/(Moon) Significantly Above the Horizon
« Reply #115 on: January 26, 2009, 02:19:45 PM »
Quote from: markjo on January 26, 2009, 01:25:53 PM
Quote from: Bollocks on January 26, 2009, 01:19:03 PM
I wanna know how they explain time zones...
The same way RE does.  Look at a FE map sometime.  ::)

But... RE is a round Earth, sun on other side of Earth, therefore that side of Earth is dark. With FE there literally is no explaination for time zones. Either the sun is shining on the whole of the Earth, or it's not. Explain. Go
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Vladtheimpaler

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Re: Sun/(Moon) Significantly Above the Horizon
« Reply #116 on: January 26, 2009, 02:35:32 PM »
Quote from: Bollocks on January 26, 2009, 02:19:45 PM
Quote from: markjo on January 26, 2009, 01:25:53 PM
Quote from: Bollocks on January 26, 2009, 01:19:03 PM
I wanna know how they explain time zones...
The same way RE does.  Look at a FE map sometime.  ::)

But... RE is a round Earth, sun on other side of Earth, therefore that side of Earth is dark. With FE there literally is no explaination for time zones. Either the sun is shining on the whole of the Earth, or it's not. Explain. Go

Are you fucked? Since when do timezones dictate where the sun shines? (Hint: it's the other way around)
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Re: Sun/(Moon) Significantly Above the Horizon
« Reply #117 on: January 26, 2009, 06:17:35 PM »
Quote from: Bollocks on January 26, 2009, 02:19:45 PM
Quote from: markjo on January 26, 2009, 01:25:53 PM
Quote from: Bollocks on January 26, 2009, 01:19:03 PM
I wanna know how they explain time zones...
The same way RE does.  Look at a FE map sometime.  ::)

But... RE is a round Earth, sun on other side of Earth, therefore that side of Earth is dark. With FE there literally is no explaination for time zones. Either the sun is shining on the whole of the Earth, or it's not. Explain. Go

Dude.  Lurk.  Search.  Read the FAQ.  Think the model through.

The FE's sun is a spotlight that only illuminates one part of the FE at a time.  As the sun's spotlight circles the FE, time zones are born.  Sheesh!  ::)
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Re: Sun/(Moon) Significantly Above the Horizon
« Reply #118 on: January 27, 2009, 07:57:23 AM »
Quote from: markjo on January 26, 2009, 06:17:35 PM
Quote from: Bollocks on January 26, 2009, 02:19:45 PM
Quote from: markjo on January 26, 2009, 01:25:53 PM
Quote from: Bollocks on January 26, 2009, 01:19:03 PM
I wanna know how they explain time zones...
The same way RE does.  Look at a FE map sometime.  ::)

But... RE is a round Earth, sun on other side of Earth, therefore that side of Earth is dark. With FE there literally is no explaination for time zones. Either the sun is shining on the whole of the Earth, or it's not. Explain. Go

Dude.  Lurk.  Search.  Read the FAQ.  Think the model through.

The FE's sun is a spotlight that only illuminates one part of the FE at a time.  As the sun's spotlight circles the FE, time zones are born.  Sheesh!  ::)

I think 1+1=2 is a little too difficult for some to grasp  ;)
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Re: Sun/(Moon) Significantly Above the Horizon
« Reply #119 on: January 27, 2009, 08:03:24 AM »
Quote from: Vladtheimpaler on January 27, 2009, 07:57:23 AM
I think 1+1=2 is a little too difficult for some to grasp  ;)
Especially considering that sometimes 1+1=10  ;)
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