Sun/(Moon) Significantly Above the Horizon

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If light is a sphere, why is it a spotlight then? This is nonsense.

The sun is very small and very close to the earth. This allows the sun to only light one section of the world at a time. Hence, the spotlight effect.

I think you FEer's are making things up all the time just to fit other people's questions

Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 21, 2007, 12:30:01 PM

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If light is a sphere, why is it a spotlight then? This is nonsense.

The sun is very small and very close to the earth. This allows the sun to only light one section of the world at a time. Hence, the spotlight effect.

I think you FEer's are making things up all the time just to fit other people's questions

I agree, because each thing made up seems to be refuted by something else. 

Beast.  The atmosphere does not bend our light.  The atmosphere does however refract and polarize the light.  This polarization/refraction causes the blue and red skies.  This is why on Mars you get Red skys and Blue sunsets  (same effect as on earth but opposite refraction).

Regardless of if FE'ers believe in mars etc. refraction and polarization are easily proven.  Half the sunglasses on the market use polarization.

Are you merely being pedantic?  Clearly when I said that the atmosphere "bends" light, I was talking about refraction.

Refraction: 1.   Physics. the change of direction of a ray of light, sound, heat, or the like, in passing obliquely from one medium into another in which its wave velocity is different.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/refraction

Bend: 1. To force (an object, esp. a long or thin one) from a straight form into a curved or angular one, or from a curved or angular form into some different form: to bend an iron rod into a hoop.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bend

Could it not be said that the atmosphere forces the light from a straight form to an angular one such as demonstrated in this diagram of the same process happening on the round Earth?

I thought you said refraction would make the sun seem lower than it is?
In the diagram, it makes it look higher.

And this makes the sun invisible for 12 hours(approx)?

Wait, is this in accordance to the "The sun is circling on top of the earth" theory? I read some FE'er say that somewhere.

Are you merely being pedantic?  Clearly when I said that the atmosphere "bends" light, I was talking about refraction.

Refraction: 1.   Physics. the change of direction of a ray of light, sound, heat, or the like, in passing obliquely from one medium into another in which its wave velocity is different.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/refraction

Bend: 1. To force (an object, esp. a long or thin one) from a straight form into a curved or angular one, or from a curved or angular form into some different form: to bend an iron rod into a hoop.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bend

Could it not be said that the atmosphere forces the light from a straight form to an angular one such as demonstrated in this diagram of the same process happening on the round Earth?

Oops! You've shown an image that bends light in the correct direction! Oh Noes! Don't you mean to show one that bends light in the wrong direction? The one that supports your FE theory?

Back to the FE science archives! Dang! Sucks to be you! There isn't one!

Quote from: beast on February 21, 2007, 05:20:17 PM

Are you merely being pedantic?  Clearly when I said that the atmosphere "bends" light, I was talking about refraction.

Refraction: 1.   Physics. the change of direction of a ray of light, sound, heat, or the like, in passing obliquely from one medium into another in which its wave velocity is different.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/refraction

Bend: 1. To force (an object, esp. a long or thin one) from a straight form into a curved or angular one, or from a curved or angular form into some different form: to bend an iron rod into a hoop.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bend

Could it not be said that the atmosphere forces the light from a straight form to an angular one such as demonstrated in this diagram of the same process happening on the round Earth?

Oops! You've shown an image that bends light in the correct direction! Oh Noes! Don't you mean to show one that bends light in the wrong direction? The one that supports your FE theory?

Back to the FE science archives! Dang! Sucks to be you! There isn't one!

That is an excellent point RenaissanceMan.  Wouldn't this suggest the Sun would be even higher in the sky?  I'm not sure what the picture proves, but it doesn't help refute my original argument.

This picture is suggesting we can see stars 'below the horizon', not that those above it sink below it.

Quote from: RenaissanceMan on February 21, 2007, 05:33:16 PM

Quote from: beast on February 21, 2007, 05:20:17 PM

Are you merely being pedantic?  Clearly when I said that the atmosphere "bends" light, I was talking about refraction.

Refraction: 1.   Physics. the change of direction of a ray of light, sound, heat, or the like, in passing obliquely from one medium into another in which its wave velocity is different.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/refraction

Bend: 1. To force (an object, esp. a long or thin one) from a straight form into a curved or angular one, or from a curved or angular form into some different form: to bend an iron rod into a hoop.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bend

Could it not be said that the atmosphere forces the light from a straight form to an angular one such as demonstrated in this diagram of the same process happening on the round Earth?

Oops! You've shown an image that bends light in the correct direction! Oh Noes! Don't you mean to show one that bends light in the wrong direction? The one that supports your FE theory?

Back to the FE science archives! Dang! Sucks to be you! There isn't one!

That is an excellent point RenaissanceMan.  Wouldn't this suggest the Sun would be even higher in the sky?  I'm not sure what the picture proves, but it doesn't help refute my original argument.

This picture is suggesting we can see stars 'below the horizon', not that those above it sink below it.

Yup, flat or round, light refracts INTO the denser material. As such, the sun would appear higher above the horizon... not lower. Unless of course, the earth was close to a sphere... and the sun was a huge ball of Hydrogen and helium that it orbited around... ZOMG! Alert the media!

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I am curious how the sunsets can be explained as "too far to see" or an "optical illusion"

Explained in Chapter 9 of the book Earth Not a Globe:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za27.htm

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Also, the shape of the sun and moon should appear to change as they move over the FE.

The sun is a sphere. Its light is limited to a spotlight.

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Basicly, earthlings would be able to see the sun from anywhere on a flat earth.. even if the sun wasn't shinning directly on them.

The sun is very small and very close to the earth. This allows the sun to only light one section of the world at a time.

Wow... so that makes the planets in between the sun and earth even smaller? hypothetically making them so small that they would be affected by either the sun or the earth's gravitational pull. BUT WAIT THERE IS NO GRAVITY! EVERYTHING IS MOVING UPWARD REALY REALY FAST TOGETHER! ....

the sun would have to be pretty powerful to be able to heat as much of the earth as it does... considering the fact that its "Very small"

Oopsie, Beast.
I think you made a little slip.

Are you guys retarded?

Draw a line to where the sunlight should be going, and where it's actually going.  Imagine that the telescope is slightly to the left.  The sun is a spotlight - so there is clearly a point, to the left where the light of the sun no longer reaches the viewer.  What would appear to happen as sun moved away?

Alternatively, draw a line to where the telescope is pointed.  Does it point higher in the air to where the star actually is, or lower?

Put down the paint, Beast. Huffing paint is bad.

Put down the paint, Beast. Huffing paint is bad.

LOL

Eloquent and informative response.  Good work, you've demonatrated your intelligence well.

Alternatively, draw a line to where the telescope is pointed.  Does it point higher in the air to where the star actually is, or lower?

Higher, it's even obvious in the diagram you presented.

Eloquent and informative response.  Good work, you've demonatrated your intelligence well.

actually i am quite intelligent for my age (17)... thing is..... i have a sense of humour that and a very vivid imagination... FYI i dont realy care what you think of the earths shape. i find this site is a great way to blow off steam 

have a nice day

Lol, it's always funny when people claim to be intelligent.  Can you back that up with some evidence, what your parents tell you doesn't count.

It's even funnier when some says the earth is flat then tries to act intelligent.

It's funny how gullible you are.

WTF, it DOES make it seem higher.
The atmosphere acts like a convex lens, focusing the light at the center of the earth.

That is, if the earth were flat.

Please ignore non-FE'ers who flame.
It's not as if they're winning anything by flaming.

Lol, it's always funny when people claim to be intelligent.  Can you back that up with some evidence, what your parents tell you doesn't count.

it wasnt very intelligent of you to assume i was unintelligent just because i laughed. remember the reason im at this site

also, my IQ is 170 give or take (did the test a couple of years ago). im wondering if any of you FEers will be tempted to make a comment on the "give or take" comment i made

i know the above^was pretty much pointless but i realy dont care, im just here to have fun/blow off steam.

have a nice day

Quote from: beast on February 21, 2007, 10:47:31 PM

Lol, it's always funny when people claim to be intelligent.  Can you back that up with some evidence, what your parents tell you doesn't count.

it wasnt very intelligent of you to assume i was unintelligent just because i laughed. remember the reason im at this site

also, my IQ is 170 give or take (did the test a couple of years ago). im wondering if any of you FEers will be tempted to make a comment on the "give or take" comment i made

i know the above^was pretty much pointless but i realy dont care, im just here to have fun/blow off steam.

have a nice day

It seems like you are trying to blow your load instead of steam.  You could join MENSA and wallow in your own self importance? 

Beast, I think you are wrong about the effects of refraction. 

Quote from: beast on February 21, 2007, 10:47:31 PM

Lol, it's always funny when people claim to be intelligent.  Can you back that up with some evidence, what your parents tell you doesn't count.

it wasnt very intelligent of you to assume i was unintelligent just because i laughed. remember the reason im at this site

also, my IQ is 170 give or take (did the test a couple of years ago). im wondering if any of you FEers will be tempted to make a comment on the "give or take" comment i made

i know the above^was pretty much pointless but i realy dont care, im just here to have fun/blow off steam.

have a nice day

Intelligent people don't need to advertise the fact.

Evil toothpaste has made 666 posts

Well at least we can put the whole "refraction causes sun and moon to vanish" answer to rest anyway...finally.

Quote from: beast on February 21, 2007, 10:47:31 PM

Lol, it's always funny when people claim to be intelligent.  Can you back that up with some evidence, what your parents tell you doesn't count.

it wasnt very intelligent of you to assume i was unintelligent just because i laughed. remember the reason im at this site

also, my IQ is 170 give or take (did the test a couple of years ago). im wondering if any of you FEers will be tempted to make a comment on the "give or take" comment i made

i know the above^was pretty much pointless but i realy dont care, im just here to have fun/blow off steam.

have a nice day

I don't believe you.  Telling lies won't make people think you're intelligent.  Lets see evidence that that really is your IQ.  People who are intelligent know what an impact using correct grammar has on how people react to you, and know how to use capital letters and apostrophes. 

edit: Clearly my comment about intelligence was not even referring to you, but to the person, one post above you, who accused me of chroming.  An intelligent person would have realised this.

Having a high I.Q. doesn't disqualify someone from being an idiot.

i must admit that im pretty lazy when it comes to grammar but then again so long as people get my point im not conserned

It seems like you are trying to blow your load instead of steam

classic! that was a nice one, i dont realy have anything to say about that since, to me "blowing my load" isnt much of a bad thing i would join MENSA but it just dosnt intrest me, i have way different plans for my future (dont bother guessing).

Having a high I.Q. doesn't disqualify someone from being an idiot.

thats a very valid point... it realy depends on how someone goes about using their knowledge.

anyway, back to the subject at hand aye lads?

have a nice day

So I'm guessing you can't actually prove that your IQ is as high as you claimed it to be?  No surprise there.