Antarctica Cup International Yacht Race

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Re: Antarctica Cup International Yacht Race
« Reply #30 on: August 19, 2008, 07:00:38 AM »
...And that map isn't to scale at all. Given the points you connected with your line, you clearly haven't even read the FAQ. And if you did, you certainly didn't understand it.

[quote author = FAQ]
Q: "What is the circumference and diameter of the Earth?"

A: "Circumference: 78225 miles, Diameter: 24,900 miles [/quote]

Looks like the scale of the FE map is correct based on the FAQ.  The RE map looks right for where the lines are.

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Re: Antarctica Cup International Yacht Race
« Reply #31 on: August 19, 2008, 07:01:27 AM »
This is interesting to me as well. While a lot of FE'ers believe that all the airlines are in on the conspiracy, they seem to forget that there are millions of navel vessels that use similar routes, and you'd have to assume they are all in on it too. If you tried to tell a seasoned south Atlantic sailor that it's 13,000 miles from the bottom tip of South America to the bottom tip of South Africa, they'd laugh in your face, especially if you told them you'd hit the side of South America on that route.


Your FE map isnt correct..

Besides that. Whats the biggest motivator on planet? Money.
What makes all those companies that operates on a free market to take a longer path to the destination?
If theyre all paid, the NASA budget is eaten pretty fast Id say.
If theyre fooled, someone should eventually raise an eyebrow on why the distances doesnt fit.

Can you point me to the correct FE map sport? I can't seem to find it posted in the FAQs, or anywhere on this site. Given this, it's 100% accurate, and I'm going to keep using it till I see a better one. And by see, I mean actually visibly look at some posted image that a majority of the FE'ers here can stand behind.
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Re: Antarctica Cup International Yacht Race
« Reply #32 on: August 19, 2008, 07:05:46 AM »
Looks like the scale of the FE map is correct based on the FAQ.  The RE map looks right for where the lines are.

There is no evidence to suggest a numerical measurement for the full size of the flat Earth; any listed number is purely speculation and is not worth debating.
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Re: Antarctica Cup International Yacht Race
« Reply #33 on: August 19, 2008, 07:09:49 AM »
No, but it is a real strong piece of evidence that is difficult to reconcile with a theory that has to bend light a significant amount over a relatively short distance.

I don't think it is.
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Re: Antarctica Cup International Yacht Race
« Reply #34 on: August 19, 2008, 07:21:44 AM »
There is no evidence to suggest a numerical measurement for the full size of the flat Earth; any listed number is purely speculation and is not worth debating.

Disallowing debate is a tactic of cowards and liars. Why is the size unknown, and/or unknowable? No one ever measured it? The conspiracy existed as long as human beings have?

Seriously though, no FE'er has ever put forth a valid map since Rowbotham, and none ever will. They'll just say it's true form is unknowable like Divito here, and attempt to close off all discussion.



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Re: Antarctica Cup International Yacht Race
« Reply #35 on: August 19, 2008, 07:30:46 AM »
What evidence do you have that those boats went around the entire circumference of Antarctica rather than only going for 14,000 miles and calling it quits?

That little image on the website which shows the supposed route doesn't mean anything, since ship captains end up taking different routes than their initial map predicts all the time.

Do you have any ship logs, coordinate logs, or anything like that to show us?

Look at the video posted on the website: http://www.velux5oceans.com/page/RaceVideos/0,,12345,00.html

Notice these quotes:

    "There are very few people who have finished this race who started it."

    "You're fighting to stay alive. You know that if you make a bad decision that you'll never come back again."

    "To do this is suicide."

    "The conditions are extremely brutal and extremely dangerous."

    "Lifespan in the water is measured in minutes."

Doesn't look like too much initiative to make sure your boat went around the entire circumference of Antarctica to me.

Don't you think, Tom, that if they simply sailed 14,000 miles and then called it quits rather than encircling the whole island and returning to their original location that they would notice that they were at a different location on earth?  They still had to get back to the mainland that they sailed from, and unless they fully circumscribed the island they would have to take an entirely different route upon their return.  Further, even a land based global positioning system would show this error.  If it is true that the coast of Antarctica is close to the diameter of the earth (something like 60,000 miles right?), how then would traveling along the coastline project on the "fake" RE map?  Since the real coast of Antarctica is only ~14,000 miles would you appear to just keep going round and round?  What would happen when you tried to sail back to the main continents, how would the GPS account for this location discrepancy?  What if one of these boats stuck a flag in the ice where they started and signed their name?  If it then only took 14,000 miles to return to this unique flag would this finally change your thinking?  The answer is obviously "NO" as this delusion has become so engrained in your psyche that to lose this belief would be detrimental to your own understnading of right and wrong.  And so for this reason, this rebate will continue on… even perhaps when we have abandoned earth to live on Mars.
As far as initiative... Why is it that some men choose to ascent Everest, or go sky diving?  I could direct you to many publications about the psychology behind risk taking--in short, specific neurotransmitters released to activate the "reward centers" of the brain.

Re: Antarctica Cup International Yacht Race
« Reply #36 on: August 19, 2008, 07:40:42 AM »
and look at the EA crap that RoboSteve made up, (that doesnt even work) FE'ers site it now like it was gospel.

Prove that it doesn't work.

Lol, you haven't even worked out the maths yet.  Oh the lights goes wherever it need to to make the earth look round, a wizard directs it there with his magic wand. 
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Re: Antarctica Cup International Yacht Race
« Reply #37 on: August 19, 2008, 07:48:05 AM »
Lol, you haven't even worked out the maths yet.  Oh the lights goes wherever it need to to make the earth look round, a wizard directs it there with his magic wand. 

He claimed that it did not work. I expect him to back up his claim with substantial evidence.
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Re: Antarctica Cup International Yacht Race
« Reply #38 on: August 19, 2008, 07:54:43 AM »
Lol, you haven't even worked out the maths yet.  Oh the lights goes wherever it need to to make the earth look round, a wizard directs it there with his magic wand. 

He claimed that it did not work. I expect him to back up his claim with substantial evidence.

That's not the way science works Steve. You're the one with the theory. You show your work, your peers try to get similar results, and then you stand a chance of having you theory accepted.

What you're doing now is called "speculation" and I'm guessing it will end up going as far as your earth map did in the long term.
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Re: Antarctica Cup International Yacht Race
« Reply #39 on: August 19, 2008, 07:55:28 AM »
Disallowing debate is a tactic of cowards and liars.

Or the result of no evidence. If you're all for wasting time, you're welcome to continue.

Why is the size unknown, and/or unknowable? No one ever measured it? The conspiracy existed as long as human beings have?

Conspiracy doesn't necessarily have to do with any of it. Measurements have been done, but with assumptions of a spherical Earth. The intricacies and accuracy is subject to a completely redone survey of the Earth, something that FEers will never do. Thus, pointless.

All this talk of maps will do, is offer more speculation, more ridicule and in the end, no actual progression for anyone.
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Re: Antarctica Cup International Yacht Race
« Reply #40 on: August 19, 2008, 07:57:43 AM »
That's not the way science works Steve. You're the one with the theory. You show your work, your peers try to get similar results, and then you stand a chance of having you theory accepted.

What you're doing now is called "speculation" and I'm guessing it will end up going as far as your earth map did in the long term.

I am aware of how science works. Part of it is that one generally does not state that a theory does not work without even waiting for it to reach completion.
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Re: Antarctica Cup International Yacht Race
« Reply #41 on: August 19, 2008, 07:59:54 AM »
Lol, you haven't even worked out the maths yet.  Oh the lights goes wherever it need to to make the earth look round, a wizard directs it there with his magic wand. 

He claimed that it did not work. I expect him to back up his claim with substantial evidence.

Can you prove you aren't a paedophile who rapes 3 kids every day?
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Re: Antarctica Cup International Yacht Race
« Reply #42 on: August 19, 2008, 08:53:02 AM »
Can you prove you aren't a paedophile who rapes 3 kids every day?

I fail to see the relevance of this question.
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Re: Antarctica Cup International Yacht Race
« Reply #43 on: August 19, 2008, 09:03:12 AM »
I am aware of how science works. Part of it is that one generally does not state that a theory does not work without even waiting for it to reach completion.

A theory that as not reached completion is not a theory, just a hypothesis.   It only becomes a theory when you can provide strong evidence which supports the claim that "X causes Y" (e.g. the EA causes dramatic bending of light).

That's the trouble with Zetetics.  No evidence is required to back up any claims.  You could say absolutely anything, sit back in your armchair and wait for the Nobel prize to arrive through the post.  Any scepticism is met with even more outlandish claims, with (surprise surprise) no evidence.



I haven't performed it and I've never claimed to. I've have trouble being in two places at the same time.

Re: Antarctica Cup International Yacht Race
« Reply #44 on: August 19, 2008, 09:06:19 AM »
There is no evidence to suggest a numerical measurement for the full size of the flat Earth; any listed number is purely speculation and is not worth debating.

I was pointing out that you referred "him" to the FAQ, and that was the number listed.  Based on the FAQ, the lines are correctly labeled and of the correct scale.

Now the accuracy of the information, as you would say, is a different story.

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Re: Antarctica Cup International Yacht Race
« Reply #45 on: August 19, 2008, 09:11:30 AM »
I was pointing out that you referred "him" to the FAQ, and that was the number listed.  Based on the FAQ, the lines are correctly labeled and of the correct scale.

Now the accuracy of the information, as you would say, is a different story.

My reference to the FAQ was in regards to his ignorance of the curved travels of ships and planes.
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Re: Antarctica Cup International Yacht Race
« Reply #46 on: August 19, 2008, 09:13:25 AM »
A theory that as not reached completion is not a theory, just a hypothesis.   It only becomes a theory when you can provide strong evidence which supports the claim that "X causes Y" (e.g. the EA causes dramatic bending of light).

That's the trouble with Zetetics.  No evidence is required to back up any claims.  You could say absolutely anything, sit back in your armchair and wait for the Nobel prize to arrive through the post.  Any scepticism is met with even more outlandish claims, with (surprise surprise) no evidence.

What you are saying is true but completely irrelevant. He categorically stated that the EA did not work before I had even finished figuring out the mathematics behind it.
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Re: Antarctica Cup International Yacht Race
« Reply #47 on: August 19, 2008, 11:56:24 AM »
Can you prove you aren't a paedophile who rapes 3 kids every day?

I fail to see the relevance of this question.

So you are not even denying it?  have some shame you paedo bastard. 
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Re: Antarctica Cup International Yacht Race
« Reply #48 on: August 19, 2008, 12:00:10 PM »
Can you prove you aren't a paedophile who rapes 3 kids every day?

I fail to see the relevance of this question.

So you are not even denying it?  have some shame you paedo bastard. 
Good, if he don't present some hard solid scientific proof that he isn't, then he is.
Rowbotham had bad eyesight
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.

Re: Antarctica Cup International Yacht Race
« Reply #49 on: August 19, 2008, 12:10:04 PM »
Can you prove you aren't a paedophile who rapes 3 kids every day?

I fail to see the relevance of this question.

So you are not even denying it?  have some shame you paedo bastard. 
Good, if he don't present some hard solid scientific proof that he isn't, then he is.

Who would have guessed eh?  A sick paedo in our midst! 
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Re: Antarctica Cup International Yacht Race
« Reply #50 on: August 19, 2008, 12:37:20 PM »
Yeah, and Robosteve, I'm afraid that before I even think about a flat earth, you've got to prove to me personally, that right now there is not a giant pink elephant dancing the Charleston in a cave 17.5 miles below Manhattan. And that he hasn't been doing this for this for exactly 12 years, 2 months, and twenty-one days. Sir, you disgrace the face of Tux.

Re: Antarctica Cup International Yacht Race
« Reply #51 on: August 19, 2008, 12:38:15 PM »
I was pointing out that you referred "him" to the FAQ, and that was the number listed.  Based on the FAQ, the lines are correctly labeled and of the correct scale.

Now the accuracy of the information, as you would say, is a different story.

My reference to the FAQ was in regards to his ignorance of the curved travels of ships and planes.

I don't understand... If the ships are traveling a curved path on a FE, that would make the distance they experience between Cape Horn and South Africa even longer than the speculative distance according to the FE map provided. I don't see how curving aids your argument.

And one further thing, when routes are plotted as curved on an RE map, they are not, in fact curved. When you project a spherical object onto a flat surface, the only straight line that actually appears straight is the center horizontal and center vertical. Take a basketball. It has two straight lines. But if you take a snapshot (Polaroid) and do not put the intersection of the two straight lines directly in the center of the picture with one line straight up, then the two straight lines will appear curved in the picture. Yes, on the assumption that RE maps are wrong and the earth is flat, planes and ships travel in a curved line. Yet why is it that the curved line is actually shorter (and very significantly so) than the straight line would be if the FE model was assumed? Travel distances are something that the current FE model has yet to explain. Curved travel lines only support RE right now.

Re: Antarctica Cup International Yacht Race
« Reply #52 on: August 19, 2008, 01:28:27 PM »
That's the trouble with Zetetics.  No evidence is required to back up any claims.

Nah.. I think you got it wrong. Zetetics are sceptics right? That would make them allways asking for evidence.. ?
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Re: Antarctica Cup International Yacht Race
« Reply #53 on: August 19, 2008, 04:56:13 PM »
FE is getting hammered in this topic, just hammered.

Re: Antarctica Cup International Yacht Race
« Reply #54 on: August 19, 2008, 05:26:15 PM »
That's the trouble with Zetetics.  No evidence is required to back up any claims.

Nah.. I think you got it wrong. Zetetics are sceptics right? That would make them allways asking for evidence.. ?
[/quoteThey are sceptics because they never look for evidence
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Re: Antarctica Cup International Yacht Race
« Reply #55 on: August 19, 2008, 11:47:11 PM »
What you are saying is true but completely irrelevant. He categorically stated that the EA did not work before I had even finished figuring out the mathematics behind it.

Why do I have to wait for the math to be finished? 

Look at Kepler, Newton and Cavendish.  They did lots of math and people on this site consistently say they are wrong.  There are numerous people that say "ignore the science, look out your window to see that the Earth is flat."  Seems to me that observation is at least as important as mathematical modeling.

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Re: Antarctica Cup International Yacht Race
« Reply #56 on: August 20, 2008, 12:15:09 AM »
Look at Kepler, Newton and Cavendish.  They did lots of math and people on this site consistently say they are wrong.  There are numerous people that say "ignore the science, look out your window to see that the Earth is flat."  Seems to me that observation is at least as important as mathematical modeling.

I am unfamiliar with Cavendish's work, but the other two were wrong. That does not diminish their contributions to physics, it is simply that they lived in a time before we were able to fully understand the problems with their theories. The extent to which their calculations were inaccurate is miniscule when compared with the colossal advances they brought to science.
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Re: Antarctica Cup International Yacht Race
« Reply #57 on: August 20, 2008, 12:16:14 AM »
Look at Kepler, Newton and Cavendish.  They did lots of math and people on this site consistently say they are wrong.  There are numerous people that say "ignore the science, look out your window to see that the Earth is flat."  Seems to me that observation is at least as important as mathematical modeling.

I am unfamiliar with Cavendish's work, but the other two were wrong. That does not diminish their contributions to physics, it is simply that they lived in a time before we were able to fully understand the problems with their theories. The extent to which their calculations were inaccurate is miniscule when compared with the colossal advances they brought to science.
Kepler was wrong?
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Re: Antarctica Cup International Yacht Race
« Reply #58 on: August 20, 2008, 12:29:08 AM »
Kepler was wrong?

I am open to correction here, but did he not say that the planets orbited the sun?
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Re: Antarctica Cup International Yacht Race
« Reply #59 on: August 20, 2008, 01:16:33 AM »
I am open to correction here, but did he not say that the planets orbited the sun?

That matches Tom Bishop...

...The planets circle and sun, while the sun circles the North Pole. This results in the retrograde motion of the planets.