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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Are most Flat Earthers Christians?

« on: July 28, 2015, 02:38:04 PM »

I am trying to understand why someone would believe that the earth is flat in this day and age.  Is it from a bible passage?

There was a similar question I asked sometime back but to no answer from Flat earthers. It went like ... If A be the set of all Flat earthers and B be the set of all Theists.

    Is A a proper subset of B ?          ( No distinction done for agnostic and gnostic in the definition of B )

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Riddle me this, Round Earther's.

« on: July 13, 2015, 12:53:48 PM »

Gravity, is not really an acceleration.

It is merely, a constantly applied force.

Because there is no friction, the velocity, appears to accelerate.

But the force itself, remains constant.

Gravity is a force, which depends on mass of bodies and distance between them. Acceleration due to gravity is denoted by 'g' . So gravity is a force and 'g' is acceleration.

no friction and velocity is accelerating / appearing to accelerate ??!! I have no idea what that implies! You should be clear on what you are trying to get at.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: who needs a theory anyway?

« on: July 13, 2015, 12:39:11 PM »

When it comes to the concept of a flat earth i'm just learning to walk, i do not know the flat earth theory that explains how it all works but having trusted the earth was round for nearly all my life  without relying on what i would now consider to be sufficient proof i no longer consider a good theory to be the all its cracked up to be, preferring instead to trust in the evidence and follow it where ever it leads, my point is does flat earth need a theory that explains how it all works exactly to be accepted as a fact when there is already sufficient evidence that it really is flat and despite not having a theory as widely accepted as another theory that has a 500 year head start and unlimited resources committed to kicking the "burden of proof " can down the road far enough for one generation at a time to settle for just the theory until inter planetary travel is available to all and finally settle the debate for good.

  i think debating the other side is futile as the "how does that work" question sets a trap where you are forced to explain something that makes no sense until you look at the supporting evidence to people who cannot distinguish between fact and theory, time spent debating  only other flat earthers could ultimately bring about the only theory without flaws but flat earthers are so hopelessly outnumbered by a noisy and opposition armed with copy and paste that it will be hard to make the theory heard and therefore appreciated. i think that the greatest asset for the flat earth is irrefutable supporting evidence and if enough irrefutable physical evidence alone keeps piling up, people will be forced to accept it as truth and even if it no has a plausible explanation/theory anyone smart enough to be swayed by the body of evidence will get involved in working on the flat earth theory and slowly transfer resources from the opposing theory to this one. It makes sense to me but it is just a theory.

Why dont you state any "irrefutable physical evidence" that you are aware of, then we can have a discussion. If you post a wall of  text from time to time then the thread goes nowhere. So state any "irrefutable physical evidence" in a simple list and then it can be discussed.

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Flat Earth General / Re: unanswered ball earth question from another thread AKA one for the trolls

« on: July 13, 2015, 12:33:47 PM »

Lets be honest, in reality this globe earth theory reads like an autobiography for a self made man that begins with the line; "At first i had everything"  you guys need to ask more questions about your own theory if you ever want to learn anything new

"This is a serious forum!".

Dont mess up the thread. There was a topic which you brought up at the start which people started addressing, then you come back and state a new question?!

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Why the Lie?

« on: July 09, 2015, 02:11:39 PM »

Ships disappear from the bottom up because of perspective.  Small swells in the ocean that are relatively close block your view of part of a ship that is much farther, and therefore smaller.

Not if the small swells are lower than your eye level. Swells (below eye level or not) don't stay at the same place, either, unlike the horizon.

If you disagree, can you provide a sketch showing what it is you're trying to say? You'll also need to explain why the horizon, if it's caused by these things, doesn't move.

It's the average of the swells, not a single swell.  And the horizon is always at eye level and far away things tend to meet the horizon, like swells and boats.  Is this an elementary perspective class?

Does your "elementary perspective" apply to an observation of a ship from another ship at sea lets say at a beaufort scale of zero ?

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Flat Earth General / Re: unanswered ball earth question from another thread AKA one for the trolls

« on: July 09, 2015, 02:01:28 PM »

to be fair omega, your answer makes more sense than conkers, conker lost me when he started talking about mobiles with light bulbs and different sized balls

Conkers gave fairly detailed illustrations in that thread which should clear your doubts.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Disproof of gravity

« on: July 09, 2015, 01:31:51 PM »

I have no desire to climb a mountain.

Then drive.  You can get up to nearly 11,000 ft in Spain in a car.

I don't feel the need to keep acclimatising every step of the way.

You don't need to acclimatise to go up to 10,000 ft.

Not to mention the severe cold on he body.

I was in a t-shirt at the top of Triglav last year.  It's not that cold in the summer - I think it was about 15c.

It's basically a death sentence even at manageable heights.

So, it's manageable and a death sentence?  This doesn't make sense. 

Stop being so dramatic, we are talking about mountains that millions have walked up.

blah...blah...avoid the issue...blah....blah..

So the question that remains is: why don't things weigh a third less at 10,000 ft?

have you weighed anything at 10,000 feet to verify what you're saying?

Let's see if I can explain something. This applies to everything so try and understand what I'm saying.

When a helium balloon is let loose of, it goes high into the sky, right?
As does this, the helium in that balloon, expands, right?

When you climb a mountain or go to a height. You do the same. You don't noticeably feel it to actually marry it up with body expansion but you do expand.
The question is, why?

I'm going to leave that with you and see what you come back with. If it's reasonable, then I'll carry on explaining and trying to help you. If you come back with nonsense, then I can't help you and I must leave you to play in the sand pit with your picture blocks.

Lets say someone has weighed himself both on ground and on a mountain. What sort of evidence regarding this matter will be convincing to you ? Like, if its a photo you might say its fake!

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Flat Earth General / Re: new member struggling to come to terms with the nature of reality

« on: July 09, 2015, 01:14:46 PM »

In an earlier post, while thanking flat earthers for their input i also addressed round earthers who contributed,  i informed them that i came here to get away from them and i made it clear to any one with a brain that i have not asked them for any advise and i do not require any advise from round earthers (this is a fact that can be checked by going through all my posts and noting the total absence of any questions about a flat earth) this is what i would call "evidence" that i did not ask for nor do i require any advise and this evidence is there if they would just look for it, but they don't, they refuse to look at the evidence, they unshakably  believe (like a religious dogma) that i came here because i have questions and i need answers which only they can provide if only i would ask them but they can not accept that in reality i have no interest in any thing they have to say, no belief in any answers they can offer so i won't ask them anything but still they will not accept this reality for which there is evidence if they would just look for it.
 Based on the evidence available to me at this time regarding the nature of round earthers i can only conclude that the round earth theory would have much more credibility if the people making the most noise about it weren't so blatantly detached from, and persistently  demonstrating a stubborn refusal to accept reality.

Your intention has been quite unclear from the start of your post.
a. Do you want to get away from round earthers and engage in discussion with only flat earthers ?
b. You dont want to get into a debate with round earthers ?

If your answers to a or b or both are yes then why dont you post in the flat earth believers discussion board. There is a wealth of information there. Specially the research by Sandokhan in advanced flat earth theory would be more then enough material to end your struggle with the nature of reality!

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Flat Earth General / Re: Flat Earthers view on Climate change

« on: July 03, 2015, 01:29:58 AM »

Climate change is not man made . Its corperation made. If you dont want earth mined or trees cut down occens fished , coal & oil burnt. Then stop churning out deluded excessively  grossly over paid elitest scum.
For every one of theses leachers, something has to be destroyed to pay for their pathetic selfish exsistance.
Climate change ? No it the same scum dabbling in weather modification.

Assuming that by "corperation" you mean "Corporation", your statement "Climate change is not man made . Its corperation made." contradicts itself. These Corporation are not a separate entity by themselves.

"something has to be destroyed to pay for their pathetic selfish exsistance"

So you admit that something is being destroyed. So why not make an effort to minimize such destruction ?

Tell you what, when I get home today I will change the bedroom light from a 13w to 11w bulb.
See now we are all pitching in to save you and your planet. I will not accept white plastic bags ever again I will only use green ones as green is good. Can you suggest other changes I could make to right the wrongs that I have done?

I am glad at receiving the first positive response to this thread.

Sure, small measures will go a long way. Here are some other changes as you asked :

1. Changing incandescent bulbs to LED or CFL,
2. Using a Solar heater instead of a 25L geyser can reduce c02 emission by 687 kg annually.
3. Turning of ac, fan light when not in use.
4. Switching from desktop to laptop can reduce individual's co2 emission by 250 kg annually.
5. Using pressure cookers instead of pots and pans reduces c02 emissions by 125 kg annually.
6. reducing water consumption
7. switching off electrical appliances at the plug instead of with remote.
8. reducing use of microwave.
9. Using cold cycles for washing machines.
10. switching off ignition at traffic lights can reduce individual co2 emission by 48 to 60 kg annually.
11. driving with closed windows particularly at high speeds reduces wind resistance and therefore fuel consumption.
12. compared to a car with under inflated tires , a car with properly inflated tires can reduce annual co2 emissions by 150 kg.
13. reducing usage of individual vehicles and resorting to public transport

These are some measures you can do at the individual level. In addition awareness has to be spread at the community level.

It may seem that environmental changes are too huge to tackle, but individual efforts will count.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Water reported in astronaut's helmet again after ISS spacewalk

« on: July 02, 2015, 09:30:27 AM »

Right again Sceptimatic. That is exactly what I mean No one would want their house look like that with wires hanging all around. I lived on a navy destroyer for five years and they simply wouldn't allow wires hanging around. How about the jets a lot of these guys fly. Do you believe they would fly one if wires were hanging all over the place, but they will fly in a space station? Tust use mind when you people look at this stuff they shove down your throats. Look at the details. The devil is in the details you know.

Yendor

If you live on a Navy destroyer for five years..

a. was that a floating museum not going anywhere or an active vessel ?
b. if it was an active vessel did you ever go up on bridge and have a look at navigation charts ?
c. if yes to (b) then what type of charts did the vessel use for navigation ?
[/quote]

Josan,

a. I saw on active duty on board a DDG during Vietnam war. It was a destroyer that had a missile system on board.
b. I didn't go to the bridge much. Mainly only during docking and undocking. I handled the engine order telegraph. So I never paid any attention to navigation charts.
c. The only charts i've noticed is whats on TV. I did read one time were you treated the navigation charts like the world was flat. Whatever that means.

Do you have anymore questions for me?

Yendor
[/quote]

My question would have meaning only if you had seen what charts were used for navigation, since you didn't pay any attention to them never mind.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Flat Earthers view on Climate change

« on: July 02, 2015, 09:25:40 AM »

Climate change is not man made . Its corperation made. If you dont want earth mined or trees cut down occens fished , coal & oil burnt. Then stop churning out deluded excessively  grossly over paid elitest scum.
For every one of theses leachers, something has to be destroyed to pay for their pathetic selfish exsistance.
Climate change ? No it the same scum dabbling in weather modification.

Assuming that by "corperation" you mean "Corporation", your statement "Climate change is not man made . Its corperation made." contradicts itself. These Corporation are not a separate entity by themselves.

"something has to be destroyed to pay for their pathetic selfish exsistance"

So you admit that something is being destroyed. So why not make an effort to minimize such destruction ?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Flat Earthers and Theism

« on: July 02, 2015, 04:39:03 AM »

I dont know if this has been discussed before, but a helpful link would be appreciated. Anyone ?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Flat Earthers view on Climate change

« on: July 02, 2015, 04:37:44 AM »

People go on about man destroying forests and it's having a serious effect on the world. It's not. The world is a big place and piddly man won't destroy it by taking out trees. Like weeds, they simply grow back aggressively.

It makes me laugh that people go on about trees being cut down in large areas and yet for long enough we've been building and paving large areas for as long as we can remember. It's like we've been shaving a head almost bald, leaving just a few wispy hairs here and there.

Whatever you pull out of the Earth, it will be replaced to keep a balance. Climate chance can be misconstrued into badness by those that want your money and your freedom.
Of course climates will change but they always have. As for holes in the ozone. It's a load of crap.

Certain pretend scientists make up any old shit to keep up an agenda and it's all about control.

The next laugh is coming. Apparently scientists have now detected oxygen in space. 
I'll watch with a smirk at what's coming off with this stuff.
Soon you'll get astronauts floating about in T'shirts, breathing in and out. 

     There are some points you need to consider in the "grow back" argument.

a. How long does it take to cut a tree and how long does it take for a sapling to grow into a full fledged tree ?
b. Have you heard about forest fires ? The amount of damage caused to life and property and environment due to forest fires ? The current budget that goes into forest fire suppression ?

When you refer to "certain pretend scientists" what percentage are we talking about ? Unless your reference of certain implies majority the argument makes no sense because an overwhelming majority of scientists support tackling the climate change problem. Of course if your belief is like the "modest" man who says there should be no doctors and scientists to achieve progress, then there is nothing more that I can add to.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes

« on: July 01, 2015, 03:02:34 PM »

"As we shall see, the concept of time has no meaning before the beginning of the universe. This was first pointed out by St. Augustine. When asked: What did God do before he created the universe? Augustine didn't reply: He was preparing Hell for people who asked such questions. Instead, he said that time was a property of the universe that God created, and that time did not exist before the beginning of the universe."

"One can imagine that God created the universe at literally any time in the past. On the other hand, if the universe is expanding, there may be physical reasons why there had to be a beginning. One could imagine that God created the universe at the instant of the big bang, or even afterwards in just such a way as to make it look as though there had been a big bang, but it would be meaningless to suppose that it was created before the big bang. An expanding universe does not preclude a creator, but it does place limits on when he might have carried out his job!"

- Stephen Hawking

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Flat Earth General / Re: Beautiful video debunking FE and Moon Landing hoaxes

« on: July 01, 2015, 02:59:02 PM »

You know the world of scientists is so sad that even if I am wrong and scientist actually contribute to humanity I wouldn't care tell they are not contribute because their world has no moral codes because of absence of god and the existence of evolution which actually tell us we can be good Nazis in our nature and no one should give a damn about it.
I believe in moral codes and I believe people should stop lying and being a scientist or a doctor, when the worlds will be empty of hospitals and universities then I will know we achieved a progress.

   When I was in elementary school in standard 5 I had once participated in a debate on Science : A boon or bane . Boys on the bane side had their main attacking point of hiroshima and nagasaki. Even though we knew it well before still we could not prepare well for that point. I mean from the point of view of a fifth standard fellow how does one argue against such death and destruction.
 
  I believe people should stop lying and being a scientist or a doctor, when the worlds will be empty of hospitals and universities then I will know we achieved a progress.

 Such "progress" in the modern scenario is unthinkable from any angle. The cause behind such thinking therefore should be reasoned with and settled. If it still persists and is in open conflict then I believe that the perpetrator should be in a mental asylum.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Flat Earthers view on Climate change

« on: July 01, 2015, 02:19:38 PM »

         It is evident from discussion so far that majority of Flat earthers deny man made climate change. They are equally dogmatic in this case as in pursuit of their Flat earth idea. Now the question is why ? Why ignore a modern day growing problem which has all signs of serious repercussions in the near future ?
         Is it one of the following reasons :
       
         1. General principle of Flat earther to oppose anyone outside their subset.
         2. Religion based, stemming from the belief that the fate of earth is only decided by God.
         3. Denial on the ground that such idea(s) may form evidence in favour of spherical earth.
         4. Just for fun.
         5. None of the above.

       

Tell me all the proofs of our destruction of this Earth?

What harm are we doing to the Earth that the Earth can't handle. Physical evidence would be good but you can name as much as you want via the media, just so we can get an idea where we are.

Now that I have given evidence, which reason is it from 1 to 5 ?

5. None of the above.
You say majorty of flat earthers blah, blah. What numbers are you talking about here?

If it is none of the above then what reason is it according to you ? As i mentioned in the OP I had been seeing most of flat earthers outside this forum to deny said topic, hence this post was an effort to gather opinion of flat earthers inside this forum. From the discussions so far in this thread no flat earther has replied in support of said topic, hence use of the term majority. However to ascertain that a poll would have to be setup.

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Flat Earth General / Flat Earthers and Theism

« on: July 01, 2015, 01:34:01 PM »

    If A be the set of all Flat earthers and B be the set of all Theists.

    Is A a proper subset of B ?          ( No distinction done for agnostic and gnostic in the definition of B )

   

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Flat Earth General / Re: Flat Earthers view on Climate change

« on: July 01, 2015, 01:12:19 PM »

         It is evident from discussion so far that majority of Flat earthers deny man made climate change. They are equally dogmatic in this case as in pursuit of their Flat earth idea. Now the question is why ? Why ignore a modern day growing problem which has all signs of serious repercussions in the near future ?
         Is it one of the following reasons :
       
         1. General principle of Flat earther to oppose anyone outside their subset.
         2. Religion based, stemming from the belief that the fate of earth is only decided by God.
         3. Denial on the ground that such idea(s) may form evidence in favour of spherical earth.
         4. Just for fun.
         5. None of the above.

       

Tell me all the proofs of our destruction of this Earth?

What harm are we doing to the Earth that the Earth can't handle. Physical evidence would be good but you can name as much as you want via the media, just so we can get an idea where we are.

Now that I have given evidence, which reason is it from 1 to 5 ?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Airplanes taking off and landing on a spinning earth.

« on: July 01, 2015, 01:09:15 PM »

Still no answer for the physics numerical.

josan and the organauts.

What is "organaut" ??

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Flat Earth General / Re: Water reported in astronaut's helmet again after ISS spacewalk

« on: July 01, 2015, 10:58:59 AM »

[/quote]

Right again Sceptimatic. That is exactly what I mean No one would want their house look like that with wires hanging all around. I lived on a navy destroyer for five years and they simply wouldn't allow wires hanging around. How about the jets a lot of these guys fly. Do you believe they would fly one if wires were hanging all over the place, but they will fly in a space station? Tust use mind when you people look at this stuff they shove down your throats. Look at the details. The devil is in the details you know.

Yendor
[/quote]

If you live on a Navy destroyer for five years..

a. was that a floating museum not going anywhere or an active vessel ?
b. if it was an active vessel did you ever go up on bridge and have a look at navigation charts ?
c. if yes to (b) then what type of charts did the vessel use for navigation ?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Airplanes taking off and landing on a spinning earth.

« on: July 01, 2015, 10:36:57 AM »

Still no answer for the physics numerical.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Flat Earthers view on Climate change

« on: June 30, 2015, 10:04:00 PM »

         It is evident from discussion so far that majority of Flat earthers deny man made climate change. They are equally dogmatic in this case as in pursuit of their Flat earth idea. Now the question is why ? Why ignore a modern day growing problem which has all signs of serious repercussions in the near future ?
         Is it one of the following reasons :
       
         1. General principle of Flat earther to oppose anyone outside their subset.
         2. Religion based, stemming from the belief that the fate of earth is only decided by God.
         3. Denial on the ground that such idea(s) may form evidence in favour of spherical earth.
         4. Just for fun.
         5. None of the above.

       

Tell me all the proofs of our destruction of this Earth?

What harm are we doing to the Earth that the Earth can't handle. Physical evidence would be good but you can name as much as you want via the media, just so we can get an idea where we are.

         "Destruction" ... yes but not in an immediate and extreme way as you say but in a steady and incremental trend. There is lot of evidence. I have mentioned some in my posts, If you have failed to comprehend them here are some more :

http://www.windows2universe.org/earth/climate/cli_effects.html

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Flat Earth General / Re: Flat Earthers view on Climate change

« on: June 30, 2015, 07:01:30 AM »

         It is evident from discussion so far that majority of Flat earthers deny man made climate change. They are equally dogmatic in this case as in pursuit of their Flat earth idea. Now the question is why ? Why ignore a modern day growing problem which has all signs of serious repercussions in the near future ?
         Is it one of the following reasons :
       
         1. General principle of Flat earther to oppose anyone outside their subset.
         2. Religion based, stemming from the belief that the fate of earth is only decided by God.
         3. Denial on the ground that such idea(s) may form evidence in favour of spherical earth.
         4. Just for fun.
         5. None of the above.

         

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Flat Earth General / Re: Flat Earthers view on Climate change

« on: June 29, 2015, 01:59:25 PM »

Crap on the land and feed the plants. Crap in the sea and feed the sea life. Burn down some trees and watch the trees elements dismantle and spread into the Earth to replenish and never be destroyed.
the only carbon footprint you will be reducing is when the Earth turns your body to charcoal, either by fire or the waste of the animals that devour you. All of it is put right back into the Earth. No wastage...ever.

Absolutely correct,
Everything come from the earth, the earth is constantly changing.
Anyone who thinks that we are putting pressure on the earth and wants action taken should lead by example and go have fun.

So you think no matter whatever population growth takes place there will be unlimited resources!!! This is really ancient thinking pattern!! Everything comes from earth, you are right but it is not unlimited.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Flat Earthers view on Climate change

« on: June 29, 2015, 01:56:36 PM »

Crap on the land and feed the plants. Crap in the sea and feed the sea life. Burn down some trees and watch the trees elements dismantle and spread into the Earth to replenish and never be destroyed.
the only carbon footprint you will be reducing is when the Earth turns your body to charcoal, either by fire or the waste of the animals that devour you. All of it is put right back into the Earth. No wastage...ever.

So you believe All available resources are unlimited!! Does Burning trees give back new forest areas ?? Crap is biological waste, so mostly no harm, but that attitude of yours in this case is simply morally wrong. Try to make the world a better place for the future generations. Whether you debate flat earth or whatever earth, make your planet a better place!!

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Flat Earth General / Re: Flat Earthers view on Climate change

« on: June 29, 2015, 12:05:21 PM »

What do you do for an occupation Jason ? Do you belong to any groups , political parties or societies ?

    I am a Marine Engineer. No I don't belong to any groups/ political parties/societies.

    However I am aware of, and understand Climate change. I make an effort at an individual level to reduce my Carbon Footprint. I also believe in actively spreading the understanding of Climate change. I believe that individual efforts added together can have a big impact and can go a long way in bringing about a change in political will.

“Be the change that you wish to see in the world.”  - Mahatma Gandhi

"Take up one idea. Make that one idea your life - think of it, dream of it, live on that idea. Let the brain, muscles, nerves, every part of your body, be full of that idea, and just leave every other idea alone. This is the way to success." - Swami Vivekananda

"We are what our thoughts have made us; so take care about what you think. Words are secondary. Thoughts live; they travel far." - Swami Vivekananda

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Airplanes taking off and landing on a spinning earth.

« on: June 29, 2015, 04:50:20 AM »

    The most important point in any observation is that the observer is on the earth hence that is his frame of reference he will not see things that say an observer independent of the earth system ( somewhere in space) might see.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Flat Earthers view on Climate change

« on: June 29, 2015, 04:40:39 AM »

 a. The earth isnt so big that we humans cannot have a lasting harmful impact on it. The atmosphere is really thin compared to the size of the earth. And we can have an impact to such an extent that we can be changing the composition of the atmosphere even if it is by a small amount. Carbon dioxide measurements have been made in weather baloons over the pacific from the year 1958. The graph of co2 concentration vs time shows a zig zag ascending .

 http://www.climatecentral.org/news/the-last-time-co2-was-this-high-humans-didnt-exist-15938

    The reason why it goes up and down once every year is because a majority of landmass is north of the equator and aslo a majority of the vegetation is north of equator. So when the northern hemisphere is tilted towards the sun the co2 level goes down, and when it is away from the sun it goes up again. However Despite the up and down you can clearly see a upward rise in the co2 concentration. and this is hard field data. Go to Galcier national park, Mount kiliminjaro, Adamello Mandron Glacier, Tschierva Glacier, Rhone Glacier and many others. If you go there and take some photographs and compare them with photographs from a couple of decades ago you will clearly see the difference. I will give the link to the source at the end.

 b. Core drills were used to analyze layers of ice which accumulated over the years. The analysis of this ice gave the data of the co2 concentration at the time which the ice corresponded to. Further analysis of the isotopes of oxygen could determine accurately the temp of year in which that snow fell. If you analyze the graphs of temp vs time and co2 con vs time. Then you will realize how well they support each other. In Antarctica if you carry out this analysis you can go far as back as 650000 years.

http://www.cornwallalliance.org/2012/12/10/carbon-dioxide-and-air-temperature-who-leads-and-who-follows/.

      You can clearly see the seven ice ages. If you compare the present levels of co2 conc. and temp you will see that nowhere before has it risen so alarmingly. In all of 650000 years co2 level had never gone above 300 ppm and this year it is above 400. In less than a century it has gone up by 100ppm. a thing which was unheard of in 650000 years. Can you grasp the severity now ?!

 c. The ten hottest years have occurred in the last few decades.

 d. The predicted and observed ocean temperatures clearly show an increasing trend. When the oceans get warmer it increases the severity of storms. All time records for storms, tornadoes and typhoons were broken. If you analyze a particular Hurricane Katrina , you will see that before it hit new orleans as it passed over warmer waters in the gulf how the size got magnified alarmingly. The premise is simple , as water temperature increases wind velocity increases.

http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/science/indicators/oceans/sea-surface-temp.html

 e. If you analyze a graph of insurance claims over time for severe waether events. You will clearly see the increasing trend.

There are several more points but I guess its becoming too lengthy so I will sum it up. If you still act ignorant and continue with your stance then I dont know what to say. Maybe these quotes will help.

"It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so." - Mark Twain

“The era of procrastination, of half-measures, of soothing and baffling expedients, of delays is coming to its close. In its place we are entering a period of consequences.” - Winston Churchill

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Flat Earth General / Re: Flat Earthers view on Climate change

« on: June 28, 2015, 01:48:30 AM »

I click on your link watch it for 10 seconds and see a clown talking at me as though I am a retard.
Before I attempt to watch this fool again will he address Arctic palms or should I troll through Youtube for a climate change debunk video?

So you are ignoring evidence.  No wonder you are still a flat earther.

A Youtube video, seriously?
We can both post links to Youtube all day long.
So would you care to explain Arctic palms?

Why do you keep harping about Arctic palms ? Have a look at C02 concentrations vs time and temperature vs time trends. Your harping about Arctic palms does not change hard facts. Have you been paid by the Oil companies to defend on their behalf 

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Airplanes taking off and landing on a spinning earth.

« on: June 27, 2015, 08:57:06 AM »

If you cannot solve the problem simply say so and I will give the answer !