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Why do you support Joe Biden?

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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1980 on: August 01, 2023, 08:19:35 AM »
Quote from: Space Cowgirl on August 01, 2023, 06:37:17 AM
I wish it were that simple, but for some reason no one wants to say the "oops, I made a mistake" part. No one to the left or right. They just dig in. I think part of that is the fear of reaction from people on their own side of the political spectrum. They're all so vicious.

Like, I disagree with a lot of you on different things, but I still want to read your opinions, I still want to be internet friends with you, I want to understand why we disagree. I think the world is kind of losing that curiosity.

It absolutely is. It may also be a guilt avoidance tactic.  Like, if you're a jerk to somone then find out you were wrong, you'd feel guilty (maybe) about being a jerk.  But if you don't think you're wrong: no guilt.

And I feel the same way on opinions.  I hate being in a bubble.  Means my ideas have no way to be tested.  And I like to think we have a good, friendly discord, even if I can be... Difficult to understand at times.
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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1981 on: August 01, 2023, 09:42:28 AM »
Quote from: Crouton on August 01, 2023, 08:14:32 AM
On a group level there's this intransigence.  The media in general has a bad habit of reinforcing this.  They take a discussion with a lot of nuance and reduce it to a simpler form that isn't necessarily wrong it's just stripped of a lot of important details.  The opposing side's media then makes a counter narrative which is also stripped of nuance. 

So what happens when actual people are discussing a subject which the media has already built a narrative for then incorrect assumptions are made and instead of an actual discussion the parties involved will start performing their side's narrative.

Depending on the topic it can be a difficult trap to avoid.  I find it's much easier to do on a one on one level.

YES, I see it all the time. It is really difficult to have an informed opinion on many topics, but especially whatever the current culture thing is, because the media itself has polarized. I find myself gravitating towards the contrarians because of this. Which means I have to tell myself all the time that just because someone is taking the contrary stance, it doesn't mean they are right.

The most annoying part, to me, is that we kind of become like a fandom of a tv series, but for journalists and politicians and entire news outlets.



Right now my fave contrarians have pointed out this from the National Park Service https://www.nps.gov/museum/tmc/slavery/from_slavery_to_freedom.html

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Lesson Two – A House Slave: Acquiring Skills
Students analyze objects to determine what skills a house slave needed to complete assigned tasks.  Students explore the potential marketability of these skills. This lesson also introduces students into 19th century foodways.

Perhaps if the Florida curriculum had used "marketability" instead of "benefit" there wouldn't have been a backlash.
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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1982 on: August 01, 2023, 09:49:08 AM »
Quote from: Lorddave on August 01, 2023, 08:19:35 AM
Quote from: Space Cowgirl on August 01, 2023, 06:37:17 AM
I wish it were that simple, but for some reason no one wants to say the "oops, I made a mistake" part. No one to the left or right. They just dig in. I think part of that is the fear of reaction from people on their own side of the political spectrum. They're all so vicious.

Like, I disagree with a lot of you on different things, but I still want to read your opinions, I still want to be internet friends with you, I want to understand why we disagree. I think the world is kind of losing that curiosity.

It absolutely is. It may also be a guilt avoidance tactic.  Like, if you're a jerk to somone then find out you were wrong, you'd feel guilty (maybe) about being a jerk.  But if you don't think you're wrong: no guilt.

And I feel the same way on opinions.  I hate being in a bubble.  Means my ideas have no way to be tested.  And I like to think we have a good, friendly discord, even if I can be... Difficult to understand at times.

In random chats with random people i see them declaring victory and walk8ng away

There is no back-forth.
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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1983 on: August 01, 2023, 11:01:07 AM »
I WIN!

I never see random people chatting that way at the grocery store.
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Quote from: Thork on November 27, 2012, 12:25:43 PM
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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1984 on: August 01, 2023, 12:00:12 PM »
Quote from: Space Cowgirl on August 01, 2023, 09:42:28 AM
Quote from: Crouton on August 01, 2023, 08:14:32 AM
On a group level there's this intransigence.  The media in general has a bad habit of reinforcing this.  They take a discussion with a lot of nuance and reduce it to a simpler form that isn't necessarily wrong it's just stripped of a lot of important details.  The opposing side's media then makes a counter narrative which is also stripped of nuance. 

So what happens when actual people are discussing a subject which the media has already built a narrative for then incorrect assumptions are made and instead of an actual discussion the parties involved will start performing their side's narrative.

Depending on the topic it can be a difficult trap to avoid.  I find it's much easier to do on a one on one level.

YES, I see it all the time. It is really difficult to have an informed opinion on many topics, but especially whatever the current culture thing is, because the media itself has polarized. I find myself gravitating towards the contrarians because of this. Which means I have to tell myself all the time that just because someone is taking the contrary stance, it doesn't mean they are right.

The most annoying part, to me, is that we kind of become like a fandom of a tv series, but for journalists and politicians and entire news outlets.



Right now my fave contrarians have pointed out this from the National Park Service https://www.nps.gov/museum/tmc/slavery/from_slavery_to_freedom.html

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Lesson Two – A House Slave: Acquiring Skills
Students analyze objects to determine what skills a house slave needed to complete assigned tasks.  Students explore the potential marketability of these skills. This lesson also introduces students into 19th century foodways.

Perhaps if the Florida curriculum had used "marketability" instead of "benefit" there wouldn't have been a backlash.

Ugh... Still doesn't sit well with me.  Plus, it sounds even less freedomly since you're basically selling yourself.


No, they need to amp up the wording with more freedom.

"Examine the tasks slaves did and talk about how they silent quit slavery and proves their freedom hating owners wrong by taking the skills they gain on the job and applied it to freedom loving capitalism without dying!"
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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1985 on: August 01, 2023, 12:17:33 PM »
it's a whole lot of "odoyle rules odoyle rules odoyle rules"
circle jerk and high fiving.

just happened the otehr day
guy posts "for once i'd like to see a liberal gun hater not false equivalency or lie during a debate"

so i brought up knives and like 4 people piled on saying knives were just as deadly as a gun.
one marine says he could do some real damage with a knife.
i asked him which weapon was his primary.
no response.

when has a knife been thrown 100yards at 3000fps?
no response

have you ever stabbed somone and then stabbed through ANOTHER someone in the next room through a wall?
no response.


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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1986 on: August 01, 2023, 01:36:24 PM »
Quote from: Themightykabool on August 01, 2023, 12:17:33 PM
have you ever stabbed somone and then stabbed through ANOTHER someone in the next room through a wall?

Yes.
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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1987 on: August 01, 2023, 02:44:50 PM »
I don't know if that's anti gun or anti knife but the image is pretty bad ass so it fails in either case.
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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1988 on: August 01, 2023, 07:38:38 PM »
Zatoichi is very badass








Through a wooden gate
Through a stone statue.
Thorugh 2 guys and a tree.
Through vaeious paper walls....





Not so much that last one.
Hahah


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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1989 on: August 09, 2023, 10:03:41 PM »
https://www.sltrib.com/news/2023/08/09/1-dead-after-fbi-agents-open-fire/

This is what it's come to in Biden's America.  Just calling the president "Joe Brandon" is enough to get the Jack booted thugs at the DOJ to execute anyone on the spot who doesn't not support him.  Especially if they keep writing death threats to sitting members of congress.

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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1990 on: August 09, 2023, 11:48:45 PM »
Same baffooons who say "from my cold dead hands" think8ng theyre going to take on the us military
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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1991 on: August 10, 2023, 12:34:52 AM »

It's not guns that kill people! It's stupidity...............and guns.
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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1992 on: August 11, 2023, 03:31:21 AM »
Quote from: Jura-Glenlivet II on August 10, 2023, 12:34:52 AM

It's not guns that kill people! It's stupidity...............and guns.
How beautiful. The best punishment for any 75-year-old who makes a joke is to kill him? Maybe he could be cured by removing the water that had accumulated in his brain, without having his head pierced!

The term FBI'den is verified.

The FBI which turned a crime gang should be shut down and its executives executed.
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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1993 on: August 11, 2023, 04:19:10 AM »

That’s the problem “joking” about murder in a country with more guns than people, especially people with the tendency to believe they are an answer to almost any question other than, what would be the stupidest item to make easily available to Americans bought up on a diet of vengeful deities, John Wayne, and the insanity of the second amendment?
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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1994 on: August 11, 2023, 01:59:42 PM »
Quote from: wise on August 11, 2023, 03:31:21 AM
How beautiful. The best punishment for any 75-year-old who makes a joke is to kill him?
At what point does a joke become a credible threat?
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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1995 on: August 11, 2023, 04:04:46 PM »
Quote from: markjo on August 11, 2023, 01:59:42 PM
Quote from: wise on August 11, 2023, 03:31:21 AM
How beautiful. The best punishment for any 75-year-old who makes a joke is to kill him?
At what point does a joke become a credible threat?
If the victim is a pedophile protected by the fbi.
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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1996 on: August 13, 2023, 03:58:43 AM »
Quote from: Space Cowgirl on August 01, 2023, 01:36:24 PM
Quote from: Themightykabool on August 01, 2023, 12:17:33 PM
have you ever stabbed somone and then stabbed through ANOTHER someone in the next room through a wall?

Yes.

Impressive, if a little bloodthirsty.   Details, details we need details.

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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1997 on: September 14, 2023, 12:23:03 PM »


I think everyone should hear John Kennedy read excerpts from the books we were discussing in this thread. lol

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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1998 on: September 22, 2023, 06:38:10 PM »
Because he's the president, and I'm one of the idiots who lives here.

That, and I think he's okay. He's been fairly progressive in his approach socially, which is fine. I don't care if you wanna be a transgender throuple defending your international cocaine distribution center with RPGs. It's not my problem. I'm socially pretty conservative, but that's my problem, not someone else's. I'll live my life my way; you'll live it your way.

He's been fine economically, I guess. Job creation has been going well, and he seems interested in reducing needless financial burdens on the middle class. Gas is kinda expensive right now. I'm not so sure he affects that very much, though.

And he seems to have an at least basic understanding of using data to drive decision-making, like promoting gender-affirming healthcare because the scientific and medical literature suggests it as a form of treatment with beneficial outcomes for folks with gender dysphoria, or promoting vaccines because they're perfectly fine and do protect against diseases. Cool.

Will I vote for him (again)? Probably. I wish he wasn't such an old fuck, but you can't get everything you want.
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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #1999 on: September 23, 2023, 06:20:04 AM »
Don't worry about his age, or that the international cocaine distribution center is illegal, or that there is no strong scientific literature to support "gender affirming healthcare", he's probably going to be replaced by Gavin Newsom.
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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #2000 on: September 23, 2023, 07:19:18 AM »
Ya people grooming the public for newsom
Seeing him more and more in the news.

I said it last year

Newsom is White obama or young bill clinton.
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« Reply #2001 on: September 23, 2023, 11:57:29 AM »
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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #2002 on: September 23, 2023, 01:26:11 PM »
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This search found a robust international consensus in the peer-reviewed literature that gender transition, including medical treatments such as hormone therapy and surgeries, improves the overall well-being of transgender individuals. The literature also indicates that greater availability of medical and social support for gender transition contributes to better quality of life for those who identify as transgender.

This is the second paragraph, and they've already lied. There is no international consensus on gender affirming care, and in fact several European countries are backing away from it. Sorry, I've already had this conversation in the "What is a woman" thread. You'll have to get out of the US corporate media bubble to find out the truth. Or don't! I don't care.
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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #2003 on: September 23, 2023, 01:46:36 PM »
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This search found a robust international consensus in the peer-reviewed literature that gender transition, including medical treatments such as hormone therapy and surgeries, improves the overall well-being of transgender individuals. The literature also indicates that greater availability of medical and social support for gender transition contributes to better quality of life for those who identify as transgender.

This is the second paragraph, and they've already lied. There is no international consensus on gender affirming care, and in fact several European countries are backing away from it. Sorry, I've already had this conversation in the "What is a woman" thread. You'll have to get out of the US corporate media bubble to find out the truth. Or don't! I don't care.

Simply affirming your own bias while neglecting to actually read and review the literature is willfully ignorant.

But, hey, it's your life. The apparent hostility in your reply is, at least, amusing.  ;)
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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #2004 on: September 23, 2023, 02:14:02 PM »
No, sorry dude. I am not hostile towards you, but I have read the literature. You will have to find something better than a review that has a lie right at the start. Seriously! There is no international consensus. That is something that gets repeated, even as countries like the UK, Sweden, Denmark, and France back away from it.

Did you read the studies?

(p.s. you're on the wrong forum if you equate disagreement with hostility)
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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #2005 on: September 23, 2023, 02:28:23 PM »
Quote from: Space Cowgirl on September 23, 2023, 02:14:02 PM
No, sorry dude. I am not hostile towards you, but I have read the literature. You will have to find something better than a review that has a lie right at the start. Seriously! There is no international consensus. That is something that gets repeated, even as countries like the UK, Sweden, Denmark, and France back away from it.

Did you read the studies?

(p.s. you're on the wrong forum if you equate disagreement with hostility)

Disagreement is obviously fine. I do get the impression that this topic is very sensitive for you.

There is of course an important distinction to be drawn between the politics of the issue and what the data plainly tells us.
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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #2006 on: September 23, 2023, 03:47:40 PM »
Yes, I know all about the tactic you are using. "You mad, bro" is an internet tradition. I have used it myself many times! 

If you want to have a discussion about gender shit, we have an ongoing thread https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=91644.0 You can scroll through JB fisking every post, unless you're into that sort of thing. I would be interested to see you defend your arguments without relying on a review that lies right from the beginning, and uses studies with extremely small sample sizes (srsly, the second one on suicide uses 22 trans women). At least find something else! You don't even need to read the thread, just jump to the end.
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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #2007 on: September 23, 2023, 05:19:08 PM »
Quote from: Space Cowgirl on September 23, 2023, 03:47:40 PM
Yes, I know all about the tactic you are using. "You mad, bro" is an internet tradition. I have used it myself many times! 

If you want to have a discussion about gender shit, we have an ongoing thread https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=91644.0 You can scroll through JB fisking every post, unless you're into that sort of thing. I would be interested to see you defend your arguments without relying on a review that lies right from the beginning, and uses studies with extremely small sample sizes (srsly, the second one on suicide uses 22 trans women). At least find something else! You don't even need to read the thread, just jump to the end.

I don't really care for the discussion. It isn't relevant to me.

What is relevant is that the data, as it currently stands, is clear. I support gender-affirming healthcare simply for that reason. As for any other reason, it just doesn't matter to me. Most of it is pointless nonsense. These are people suffering with a medical condition, and the goal of medicine is to alleviate suffering.

And if the data showed, or eventually shows, a different result, I'll re-evaluate my stance.

Anyways, back to Biden.
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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #2008 on: September 23, 2023, 05:41:16 PM »
IT'S MA'AM!
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Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« Reply #2009 on: September 24, 2023, 09:18:25 AM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/09/24/biden-trump-poll-2024-election/

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The Post-ABC poll shows Biden trailing Trump by 10 percentage points at this early stage in the election cycle, although the sizable margin of Trump’s lead in this survey is significantly at odds with other public polls that show the general election contest a virtual dead heat. The difference between this poll and others, as well as the unusual makeup of Trump’s and Biden’s coalitions in this survey, suggest it is probably an outlier.

They are going to have to lock him up, imo.
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