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Title: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on July 28, 2020, 04:44:21 PM
Well it's time for one of these, but for old mate Biden

So, what are your thoughts about him specifically as a presidential candidate and how well you think he will perform? Has Trump set a low bar? Or an insurmountably high one?

And what of his preference for Kamala Harris as a VP? Are you comfortable with her potentially being your President when old man Joe kicks the bucket?

IMO she's seems like an icy hearted bitch who would try to take the mantle before his time. A vote for Biden is a vote for Harris! Might be a good thing if you utterly detest Biden though
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: New Earth on July 28, 2020, 06:39:19 PM
Biden is a moron but he is also very old moron who probably not gonna live through his presidency. If Kamala Harris becomes the president I will for sure leave the country for the reasons I don't wanna be banned so I won't say LOL 
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on July 28, 2020, 06:46:56 PM
Okay don't count out Klobuchar just yet, she is the one to watch.

But we'll find out next week.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Lorddave on July 28, 2020, 10:30:42 PM
He isn't my first pick but not like I have alot of options.

But I'd take Pence over Trump at this point.  Possibly even Wise over Trump but thats a tough one.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet II on July 29, 2020, 04:15:05 AM
Biden is a moron but he is also very old moron who probably not gonna live through his presidency. If Kamala Harris becomes the president I will for sure leave the country for the reasons I don't wanna be banned so I won't say LOL

Can't think where you think you would fit in.

This Kamala women seems like a good outside bet for making a good job of it, for me it should be Ocasio Cortez.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on July 29, 2020, 04:25:45 AM
Biden is a moron but he is also very old moron who probably not gonna live through his presidency. If Kamala Harris becomes the president I will for sure leave the country for the reasons I don't wanna be banned so I won't say LOL

Can't think where you think you would fit in.

This Kamala women seems like a good outside bet for making a good job of it, for me it should be Ocasio Cortez.

I think to be President or a benevolent leader you need 'heart'. Trumps is dark and black. Kamala's is as cold as ice. Ocasios has one but I think she would need far more political experience to harden it a tad. The President has to make some pretty tough calls that may be too unpalatable for her to stomach. I also think she would bring far too much 'identity politics' that distract from real world issues. I'm not saying she is a bad person or anything and if I had to vote and it were her vs Trump, shes an easy choice given I still have to live with my conscious when it's done and dusted. But personally I think Dwayne Johnson would be the best  8)
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Jamie on July 29, 2020, 06:13:57 AM
I intend to vote for Biden in the election, at this point.

He stands a chance of winning against Trump. Jorgensen doesn't. Simple as that.

Under different circumstances, I'd vote in good conscience for my preferred candidate. Under the circumstances of a crashing economy, an eviction crisis, and an uncontrolled pandemic? I'm voting practically.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JerkFace on July 29, 2020, 06:34:22 AM
Okay don't count out Klobuchar just yet, she is the one to watch.

But we'll find out next week.

Go AMY!...   

Kamala Harris for AG,   Warren for Treasury Sec,    VP?  Dunno,  maybe .... 

I wouldn't object to Kamala Harris for VP.


Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: GlaringEye on July 29, 2020, 06:53:15 AM
Biden is a moron but he is also very old moron who probably not gonna live through his presidency. If Kamala Harris becomes the president I will for sure leave the country for the reasons I don't wanna be banned so I won't say LOL

Can't think where you think you would fit in.

This Kamala women seems like a good outside bet for making a good job of it, for me it should be Ocasio Cortez.

I think to be President or a benevolent leader you need 'heart'. Trumps is dark and black. Kamala's is as cold as ice. Ocasios has one but I think she would need far more political experience to harden it a tad. The President has to make some pretty tough calls that may be too unpalatable for her to stomach. I also think she would bring far too much 'identity politics' that distract from real world issues. I'm not saying she is a bad person or anything and if I had to vote and it were her vs Trump, shes an easy choice given I still have to live with my conscious when it's done and dusted. But personally I think Dwayne Johnson would be the best  8)

He will be the rock onto which America will be rebuilt!
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Lorddave on July 29, 2020, 07:10:01 AM
Bernie for VP would being in the bernie bros.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on July 29, 2020, 07:52:01 AM
Bernie for VP would being in the bernie bros.
That would probably be the oldest pairing ever.

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Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Lorddave on July 29, 2020, 08:12:38 AM
Bernie for VP would being in the bernie bros.
That would probably be the oldest pairing ever.

John McCain and Sarah Palin.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on July 29, 2020, 08:43:41 AM
McCain was 72 and Palin 44 = 116 years

Biden is 76 and Sanders 78 = 154 years


Not even close!
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on July 29, 2020, 08:57:02 AM
To win this race Biden needs to be a Maverick!

He needs to bring back Sarah Palin!
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on July 29, 2020, 09:17:42 AM
To win this race Biden needs to be a Maverick!

He needs to bring back Sarah Palin!
I'll buy that for a dollar!
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Lorddave on July 29, 2020, 09:21:48 AM
McCain was 72 and Palin 44 = 116 years

Biden is 76 and Sanders 78 = 154 years


Not even close!

You know, I read it as oddest. XD
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on July 29, 2020, 09:36:11 AM
Ha!

Yeah, probably true.  Though some historian would probably be like "Ah, oddest....that would be in 1898 when Senator Strangebody McTrouserpress ran with with his pet goat, Gertrude, as his VP pick"

Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on July 29, 2020, 11:35:16 AM
I've seen Kamallah Harris during a lot of senate hearings.  She seems very smart and fierce.  I'd be happy with her as a vp pick.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JJA on July 29, 2020, 12:04:05 PM
I've seen Kamallah Harris during a lot of senate hearings.  She seems very smart and fierce.  I'd be happy with her as a vp pick.

The sad thing is if Biden picks a woman it will hurt his chances.  It won't get him many extra votes, but will cost him a bunch as the US is still full of a lot of misogynists. 

People forget it was not THAT log ago that women weren't even allowed to vote, let alone hold office.  There are people alive today that were around when it was illegal for a woman to vote.  And there are plenty who would be happy to go back to that.  Or 'only' back to the 50s where women knew their place.  Plenty of people from that time still alive and voting, and all the others who want to drag us kicking and screaming backwards.

Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: markjo on July 29, 2020, 12:09:19 PM
There are people alive today that were around when it was illegal for a woman to vote.  And there are plenty who would be happy to go back to that.
Since the 19th amendment was ratified in 1920, I'd say that the number is very small and not really worth worrying about.

Or 'only' back to the 50s where women knew their place.  Plenty of people from that time still alive and voting, and all the others who want to drag us kicking and screaming backwards.
Thankfully that number is getting smaller less influential too.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: hoppy on July 29, 2020, 01:59:58 PM
Romney is winning by a landslide!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JJA on July 29, 2020, 02:25:11 PM
There are people alive today that were around when it was illegal for a woman to vote.  And there are plenty who would be happy to go back to that.
Since the 19th amendment was ratified in 1920, I'd say that the number is very small and not really worth worrying about.

Or 'only' back to the 50s where women knew their place.  Plenty of people from that time still alive and voting, and all the others who want to drag us kicking and screaming backwards.
Thankfully that number is getting smaller less influential too.

Yeah I know it's small, the point is that it wasn't that long ago and the kids of those people who grew up with those values are certainly still around.

And we forget how much progress we made in such a short amount of time, and how easily we can go back if we let them.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on August 02, 2020, 12:23:45 AM
Biden will pick the best possible VP candidate as long as she is a black girl.

It's never on merit these days. It's all about appearances
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 02, 2020, 12:26:17 AM
Biden will pick the best possible VP candidate as long as she is a black girl.

It's never on merit these days. It's all about appearances

well, that was quick.   ;)
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on August 11, 2020, 01:54:24 PM
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/11/joe-biden-vp-pick-kamala-harris-393768

It's official.  We're getting the dangerously insane communist Harris as VP.  Or maybe that's sleepy Harris.  Not sure what sort of attack Fox News is going to use on her.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JJA on August 11, 2020, 02:12:54 PM
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/11/joe-biden-vp-pick-kamala-harris-393768

It's official.  We're getting the dangerously insane communist Harris as VP.  Or maybe that's sleepy Harris.  Not sure what sort of attack Fox News is going to use on her.

Can't wait for the right wing woman-hating racist bigots to start foaming at the mouth.

Should we start a bingo game for the words they will use? Uppity. Angry. Bitch. Nasty. The other N-Word, of course too.

All the attacks about her looks, what she wears.

Yeah, this is going to be downright painful to watch.

EDIT:

Had to go to Fox News and read the comments.  Yeah, about what I expected from them.

Slept her way to the US Senate
Isn't black, she's Jamaican

She has slept her way to every position in government.

So Joe would rather have a trollop in Harris than a known liar in Rice.....

So the Dem VP nominee started her career on her knees with Willie Brown...

She was Willie Brown's concubine.

She is power hungry like Hillary.

Harris also slept her way into CA politics by being the back door squeeze of king/queen maker Willie Brown.

She rolled in the sack with Willie Brown to advance her career.

She is very familiar with Willie's Willie.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on August 11, 2020, 02:24:20 PM
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/11/joe-biden-vp-pick-kamala-harris-393768

It's official.  We're getting the dangerously insane communist Harris as VP.  Or maybe that's sleepy Harris.  Not sure what sort of attack Fox News is going to use on her.

Can't wait for the right wing woman-hating racist bigots to start foaming at the mouth.

Should we start a bingo game for the words they will use? Uppity. Angry. Bitch. Nasty. The other N-Word, of course too.

All the attacks about her looks, what she wears.

Yeah, this is going to be downright painful to watch.

I think she has a heart of ice but at least she's photogenic.

There is nothing right wing media could spin that could make her look any worse than Trump though. I'm sure they'll try but will just embarass themselves. Trumps shit leadership and apathy for human life has already cost over 160K Americans their lives and counting. Hundreds of thousands more injured, maybe forever and millions infected. Let's not forget his shit handling has prolonged the outbreak at disastrous levels keeping millions out of work.

But let Fox and friends try lol
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 11, 2020, 02:27:46 PM
Biden said he would pick the most qualified black girl he could find.

She has dark skin and a vagina. fait accompli.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Unconvinced on August 11, 2020, 02:30:34 PM
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/11/joe-biden-vp-pick-kamala-harris-393768

It's official.  We're getting the dangerously insane communist Harris as VP.  Or maybe that's sleepy Harris.  Not sure what sort of attack Fox News is going to use on her.

Can't wait for the right wing woman-hating racist bigots to start foaming at the mouth.

Should we start a bingo game for the words they will use? Uppity. Angry. Bitch. Nasty. The other N-Word, of course too.

All the attacks about her looks, what she wears.

Yeah, this is going to be downright painful to watch.

EDIT:

Had to go to Fox News and read the comments.  Yeah, about what I expected from them.

Slept her way to the US Senate
Isn't black, she's Jamaican

She has slept her way to every position in government.

So Joe would rather have a trollop in Harris than a known liar in Rice.....

So the Dem VP nominee started her career on her knees with Willie Brown...

She was Willie Brown's concubine.

She is power hungry like Hillary.

Harris also slept her way into CA politics by being the back door squeeze of king/queen maker Willie Brown.

She rolled in the sack with Willie Brown to advance her career.

She is very familiar with Willie's Willie.


Seems to be a running theme here.  I guess the right wing propaganda machine has been hard at work?
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on August 11, 2020, 02:35:38 PM
It's going to be interesting to see if this changes the game.  Trump has been having no luck attacking biden.  He might have better luck attacking his choice for vp.  I'm just hoping she doesn't try arguing with any woke shit because no one in the general election is going to care.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Lorddave on August 11, 2020, 02:39:06 PM
Honestly, I don't think it matters.

At this point you either love Trump or hate him.  There isn't any real inbetween.  So Biden could have picked a god damn pile of dog shit for VP and it wouldn't change any votes. 
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on August 11, 2020, 03:03:09 PM
Meanwhile, Kampala Harris is trending on Twitter because autocorrect doesn't like Kamala.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on August 11, 2020, 03:29:39 PM
Well it's fair to say that Kamala Harris if Biden wins will be the first female President in United States history. Biden will be lucky if he even has 4 years left to live

Not a big deal. Dozens of countries, even far more regressive have had female leaders

So what happens if the corone knocks off Biden before the polling day? Now that Harris is confirmed as the running mate does she automatically get to be on the presidential ticket? Or do they go with one of the equally old guys Biden was competing with earlier?
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on August 11, 2020, 04:19:21 PM


Lincoln Project did not waste any time.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JerkFace on August 11, 2020, 04:50:51 PM
That's not a bad choice,  I was hoping she would get the AG job and prosecute Trump.  But VP is good too.



Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on August 11, 2020, 05:46:59 PM
Well it's fair to say that Kamala Harris if Biden wins will be the first female President in United States history. Biden will be lucky if he even has 4 years left to live

Not a big deal. Dozens of countries, even far more regressive have had female leaders

So what happens if the corone knocks off Biden before the polling day? Now that Harris is confirmed as the running mate does she automatically get to be on the presidential ticket? Or do they go with one of the equally old guys Biden was competing with earlier?

Not an issue.  No reason why a corpse can't be president. 
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JJA on August 11, 2020, 06:13:41 PM
Well it's fair to say that Kamala Harris if Biden wins will be the first female President in United States history. Biden will be lucky if he even has 4 years left to live

Not a big deal. Dozens of countries, even far more regressive have had female leaders

So what happens if the corone knocks off Biden before the polling day? Now that Harris is confirmed as the running mate does she automatically get to be on the presidential ticket? Or do they go with one of the equally old guys Biden was competing with earlier?

Not an issue.  No reason why a corpse can't be president.

Regan was still president after becoming seriously mentally damaged from the assassination attempt. They did everything to hide that until after he died, but for a while we had a president with severe cognitive dysfunction and dementia.

Trump also clearly is suffering from some kind of mental issues. I'm 100% sure that once he's out of office all the Trump-tards will go from "He's super smart!" to "Hey all the bad things he did was because the poor guy was sick, who knew?" The blame-avoidance will be strong once he's gone.

Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: New Earth on August 11, 2020, 09:10:00 PM
I'm glad Biden picked Harris to be VP. I'm glad because now I know for a fact Trump is gonna destroy him. Biden had a good chance with swing states now he lost it.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 11, 2020, 09:33:01 PM
Joe was given the name of his vice presidential running mate.

You all know he mumbled . . . wuh?


Joe, your VP pick has a black pussy.
That's what you promised the left wing media.

"so, we won?"




Oh, shit, someone sedate him again . . .
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: New Earth on August 11, 2020, 10:47:21 PM
Yes of course as challenged as Biden is he probably won't even remember her name. Biden is a puppet and yes you are right, the VP was chosen for him by the Left wing Anti American lunatics.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Lorddave on August 11, 2020, 10:53:17 PM
I'm glad Biden picked Harris to be VP. I'm glad because now I know for a fact Trump is gonna destroy him. Biden had a good chance with swing states now he lost it.

I like how you basically went "Well Biden could have won but swing states hate women.  Or blacks.  So he'll lose."

>_>
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: New Earth on August 11, 2020, 11:52:31 PM
I never said that, you did. I will tell you this much thou, people don't want another Lori Lightfoot on massive scale.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet II on August 12, 2020, 12:33:20 AM
I'm glad Biden picked Harris to be VP. I'm glad because now I know for a fact Trump is gonna destroy him. Biden had a good chance with swing states now he lost it.

If this turns out to be true then you and your country are going to get exactly what you deserve.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on August 12, 2020, 12:44:19 AM
Is there a reason Trump calls him 'Sleepy Joe'? Does he nod off on the job or something? Or is just some colourful adjective Trump made up hoping people will believe it if it's said enough times?

Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Stash on August 12, 2020, 12:53:27 AM
Is there a reason Trump calls him 'Sleepy Joe'? Does he nod off on the job or something? Or is just some colourful adjective Trump made up hoping people will believe it if it's said enough times?

Good question. I think it's supposed to be a reference to Joe's age/acumen/lack of spryness of mind, but don't know for sure. I think the Biden supporters take it more of his rope-a-dope strategy which seems to be, give trump enough rope and he'll hang himself. So far, working.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Lorddave on August 12, 2020, 02:36:33 AM
Is there a reason Trump calls him 'Sleepy Joe'? Does he nod off on the job or something? Or is just some colourful adjective Trump made up hoping people will believe it if it's said enough times?

I think its because he lacks energy and 'sleepy joe' tested well with the marketing analysis.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JerkFace on August 12, 2020, 02:46:13 AM
I never said that, you did. I will tell you this much thou, people don't want another Lori Lightfoot on massive scale.

Rack off hairy legs,  What don't you like about Lori Lightfoot?   
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: markjo on August 12, 2020, 07:15:58 AM
This is how Biden stays in shape:
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This is how Trump stays in shape:
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Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on August 12, 2020, 07:30:16 AM
Scanning articles from Fox News and Breitbart.  They seem to be attempting an attack where they paint Harris as an even more extreme version of Bernie Sanders.

Not sure if anyone is going to believe that.  Think they'll have to workshop this more.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on August 12, 2020, 07:38:15 AM
https://twitter.com/Liz_Cheney/status/1293310682654416896?s=20
Quote
Kamala Harris is a radical liberal who would raise taxes, take away guns & health insurance, and explode the size and power of the federal gov’t. She wants to recreate America in the image of what’s happening on the streets of Portland & Seattle. We won’t give her the chance.

She's gonna take yer guns! And yer health insurance?

This is all coming across very pathetic. Kamala Harris is a moderate, and so is Biden. They're also politicians, so they pander to the wackos, just like Trump has many times. Conservatives used to like Harris because she put lots of people in jail.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: New Earth on August 12, 2020, 09:26:19 AM
I never said that, you did. I will tell you this much thou, people don't want another Lori Lightfoot on massive scale.

Rack off hairy legs,  What don't you like about Lori Lightfoot?


Well lets see. I don't like the fact she destroyed my city and turned my downtown into Gary Indiana. I don't like the fact that being heterosexual is now equated with being racist. I don't like the fact she lets the riots go on, I don't like the fact she hates the police, I don't like the fact she is a dictator that won't let people use beaches yet increases taxes on just about everything. I don't like the fact she does not prosecute violent crimes. I don't like the fact that Chicago became extremely dangerous. I don't like the fact she gave in to teacher's union, I don't like the fact she is a communist, I don't like the fact she is racist against whites, I don't like the fact practices pay for play politics just like other democrats before her and does political favors for her friends. (just like all democrats) I don't like the fact she uses Corona virus as an excuse to take away civil rights, should I go on?
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 12, 2020, 09:31:21 AM
I never said that, you did. I will tell you this much thou, people don't want another Lori Lightfoot on massive scale.

Rack off hairy legs,  What don't you like about Lori Lightfoot?


Well lets see. I don't like the fact she destroyed my city and turned my downtown into Gary Indiana. I don't like the fact that being heterosexual is now equated with being racist. I don't like the fact she lets the riots go on, I don't like the fact she hates the police, I don't like the fact she is a dictator that won't let people use beaches yet increases taxes on just about everything. I don't like the fact she does not prosecute violent crimes. I don't like the fact that Chicago became extremely dangerous. I don't like the fact she gave in to teacher's union, I don't like the fact she is a communist, I don't like the fact she is racist against whites, I don't like the fact practices pay for play politics just like other democrats before her and does political favors for her friends. (just like all democrats) I don't like the fact she uses Corona virus as an excuse to take away civil rights, should I go on?


come on, man
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JJA on August 12, 2020, 10:51:41 AM
I don't like the fact that being heterosexual is now equated with being racist.

Your sexual hangups are your problem, not anyone elses.

I'm heterosexual and can't remember anyone calling me a racist because I don't want to marry a guy.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on August 12, 2020, 02:05:38 PM
I never said that, you did. I will tell you this much thou, people don't want another Lori Lightfoot on massive scale.

Rack off hairy legs,  What don't you like about Lori Lightfoot?


Well lets see. I don't like the fact she destroyed my city and turned my downtown into Gary Indiana. I don't like the fact that being heterosexual is now equated with being racist. I don't like the fact she lets the riots go on, I don't like the fact she hates the police, I don't like the fact she is a dictator that won't let people use beaches yet increases taxes on just about everything. I don't like the fact she does not prosecute violent crimes. I don't like the fact that Chicago became extremely dangerous. I don't like the fact she gave in to teacher's union, I don't like the fact she is a communist, I don't like the fact she is racist against whites, I don't like the fact practices pay for play politics just like other democrats before her and does political favors for her friends. (just like all democrats) I don't like the fact she uses Corona virus as an excuse to take away civil rights, should I go on?

What a brainwashed muppet. Seriously dude, at least fact check your own bullshit.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Jamie on August 12, 2020, 02:51:30 PM
I don't like the fact that being heterosexual is now equated with being racist.

LMAO. What the fuck are you on?

That sounds like a 'you' problem.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JerkFace on August 12, 2020, 04:40:49 PM
Seems like Trump is running scared shitless...

Quote
Rayzor,

Kamala Harris is the meanest, most horrible, most disrespectful, MOST LIBERAL of anyone in the U.S. Senate, and I cannot believe that Joe Biden would pick her as his running mate.

Everything we’re fighting for is on the line right now, Rayzor.

These two corrupt career politicians have made it clear that they want to protect sanctuary cities, protect criminals, take away your Second Amendment rights, and DESTROY America.

I’m calling on my best supporters to step up to the front lines and FIGHT BACK. This is SO important that I’ve upped the stakes.

FOR ONE HOUR ONLY: ALL GIFTS WILL BE 700%-MATCHED.

This offer is only available for the NEXT HOUR, Rayzor. After that, your personalized 700%-MATCH link will no longer be valid.


LOL... I've seen better sales pitches for steak knives.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: boydster on August 12, 2020, 05:45:34 PM
Seems like Trump is running scared shitless...

Quote
Rayzor,

Kamala Harris is the meanest, most horrible, most disrespectful, MOST LIBERAL of anyone in the U.S. Senate, and I cannot believe that Joe Biden would pick her as his running mate.

Everything we’re fighting for is on the line right now, Rayzor.

These two corrupt career politicians have made it clear that they want to protect sanctuary cities, protect criminals, take away your Second Amendment rights, and DESTROY America.

I’m calling on my best supporters to step up to the front lines and FIGHT BACK. This is SO important that I’ve upped the stakes.

FOR ONE HOUR ONLY: ALL GIFTS WILL BE 700%-MATCHED.

This offer is only available for the NEXT HOUR, Rayzor. After that, your personalized 700%-MATCH link will no longer be valid.


LOL... I've seen better sales pitches for steak knives.

700% MATCH!!! You better act fast. That can't be sustainable.

I have a really fun update on the coin coming from China. First, the bad update, which is that it has been delayed for reasons unknown, but it's still supposedly on the way. But now the good news. You'll never guess where it's originating from in China.

Quote
    From:
    CN
    WUHAN
    430040

    To:
    US
    Northeastern South Canada
    boydster's ZIP code

IT'S COMING FROM FUCKING WUHAN!
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on August 12, 2020, 05:58:25 PM
A CORONA COIN!
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: New Earth on August 12, 2020, 07:53:00 PM
I never said that, you did. I will tell you this much thou, people don't want another Lori Lightfoot on massive scale.

Rack off hairy legs,  What don't you like about Lori Lightfoot?


Well lets see. I don't like the fact she destroyed my city and turned my downtown into Gary Indiana. I don't like the fact that being heterosexual is now equated with being racist. I don't like the fact she lets the riots go on, I don't like the fact she hates the police, I don't like the fact she is a dictator that won't let people use beaches yet increases taxes on just about everything. I don't like the fact she does not prosecute violent crimes. I don't like the fact that Chicago became extremely dangerous. I don't like the fact she gave in to teacher's union, I don't like the fact she is a communist, I don't like the fact she is racist against whites, I don't like the fact practices pay for play politics just like other democrats before her and does political favors for her friends. (just like all democrats) I don't like the fact she uses Corona virus as an excuse to take away civil rights, should I go on?

What a brainwashed muppet. Seriously dude, at least fact check your own bullshit.


Why don't you state facts to prove my bulllshit? I lived in Chicago since 1988 and I have never seen the city so dangerous and so lawless as it is under Lightfoot. Where do you live? Oh you won't say chicken shit  lol
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Themightykabool on August 12, 2020, 08:53:41 PM
Lets break down new earths bullshit.
Very 2nd post he hints that hes thinking very racists or sexist or homophobic thoughts and doesnt want to get banned.

Last up we have a long list of reason he doesnt like lightfoot.
So we'll ignore chicagos looooooong history of being a crime city.

newearths crazy opposition to paying taxes for services.
Guess what - roads, hospitals, police, teachers all cost money.
These are not "for profit centers".
If she was after your liberties she would increase police - because... liberties.   Yes?  No?   You understand how dictatorship works right?   

Or that "pay for play" is exactly what BOTH SIDES DO and your current potus is no exception (whos his EPA?  how about the EU embassador?   recent post master general?   any big bankers running key parts of govt?  USA school system is doing well...)

New earth is a stupid racist.
"Racist against whites" - chicago was split up by segregation.
So is being racist against blacks ok?
Or shes just plain racist?
Or is she changing laws that favor blacks is what makes her racist?
How do you feel about laws that favour whites?
Like making sure white people are able to get property while black people are forever paying rent.
What did she do that makes her racist against white people?


Continue saying stupid things.
Try and come up with a legitimate non hypocritical complaint.
And stop watching fox news.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: markjo on August 12, 2020, 09:06:34 PM
A CORONA COIN!
Do you mean this coin?
(https://news.artnet.com/app/news-upload/2020/04/COVID-HEROES-2-1024x594.jpg)
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/495388-website-sells-100-coronavirus-commemorative-coins
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on August 12, 2020, 09:24:08 PM
I call bullshit!  There's no way Trump approved that coin.  It only mentions his name once.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Unconvinced on August 13, 2020, 02:59:30 AM
I call bullshit!  There's no way Trump approved that coin.  It only mentions his name once.

Maybe they only showed him one side, not the one commending “We”, “The World” and “Everyday Heroes”?

Anyway back on Harris, not being American I don’t know much about her, but she could be a sensible choice.

The main Republican attack is likely to be over the BLM protests, accusing the Democrats of supporting civil unrest and being anti law and order.  Her position as AG could make it much harder for that line to stick, plus having experience with the system should be a bonus in making sure any reform is effective and doesn’t come with unintended consequences.

Now the Dems just need to avoid talking about her being a Black/Asian woman as much as possible.  It doesn’t matter how significant they think that is.  Every voter who feels it’s important can see that she is and doesn’t need the campaign machine banging on about it.  Everyone else will either not care or suspect that’s the main reason she was chosen, which of course will be used against her in right wing media and social media. 

Don’t fall into that trap, it’s just so obvious.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JerkFace on August 13, 2020, 03:02:55 AM
A CORONA COIN!
Do you mean this coin?
(https://news.artnet.com/app/news-upload/2020/04/COVID-HEROES-2-1024x594.jpg)
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/495388-website-sells-100-coronavirus-commemorative-coins

Does anyone else think that the empty podium is significant.    The leadership was missing.   Still is.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on August 13, 2020, 03:06:22 AM
A black woman was a smart choice

People will potentially see her as future President material (especially given Joe Bidens age)

It will compel more of the black voters to come out to vote (something that Hillary could not do) and it will also drive more women to vote (as evidenced by people voting for Hillary, solely because she was a woman and no other reason)

While I believe someones skin colour or gender is totally irrelevant in politics the truth is it does matter to enough people to make a difference at the poll. Especially when voting is not mandatory you really need to encourage people to get out there

If voting was both mandatory and held on a weekend, you'd almost guarantee Trump would have lost the last election lol. It's no wonder he doesn't like the idea of postal voting or any way that makes it easier for everyone to have their vote. He knows he'll lose
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on August 13, 2020, 04:03:53 AM
A black woman was a smart choice


It was his only choice, really.  If he'd just picked an another ancient rich white dude, a decent amount of his base might just have gone "Meh, fuck this, more of the same" and not got out to vote, no matter how much they disliked Trump.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on August 13, 2020, 04:13:29 AM
A black woman was a smart choice


It was his only choice, really.  If he'd just picked an another ancient rich white dude, a decent amount of his base might just have gone "Meh, fuck this, more of the same" and not got out to vote, no matter how much they disliked Trump.
I think she was a smart choice, while he (as an old white rich guy) probably is okay for many people 'in the middle' or even some republicans that dislike trump, she (being a relatively young women with foreign roots) is what secures him the more radical leftist/liberal votes.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JJA on August 13, 2020, 05:39:27 AM
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/11/joe-biden-vp-pick-kamala-harris-393768

It's official.  We're getting the dangerously insane communist Harris as VP.  Or maybe that's sleepy Harris.  Not sure what sort of attack Fox News is going to use on her.

Can't wait for the right wing woman-hating racist bigots to start foaming at the mouth.

Should we start a bingo game for the words they will use? Uppity. Angry. Bitch. Nasty. The other N-Word, of course too.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-kamala-harris-joe-biden-vice-president-pick/

Ok, so we have a confirmed NASTY. About a dozen of them so far from Trump.

We have ANGRY from Trump as well. Shes a nasty, angry woman apparently. I wonder if Trump has the Secret Service check under his bed for those scary strong women he's so threatened by.

We are well on our way to winning this bingo game. Yay.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Unconvinced on August 13, 2020, 05:40:34 AM
A black woman was a smart choice

People will potentially see her as future President material (especially given Joe Bidens age)

It will compel more of the black voters to come out to vote (something that Hillary could not do) and it will also drive more women to vote (as evidenced by people voting for Hillary, solely because she was a woman and no other reason)

While I believe someones skin colour or gender is totally irrelevant in politics the truth is it does matter to enough people to make a difference at the poll. Especially when voting is not mandatory you really need to encourage people to get out there

If voting was both mandatory and held on a weekend, you'd almost guarantee Trump would have lost the last election lol. It's no wonder he doesn't like the idea of postal voting or any way that makes it easier for everyone to have their vote. He knows he'll lose

Yeah, that’s all fine, but I think it would be a mistake to try to make too big a deal out of it. 

People who care about that don’t need it explained, and it could easily backfire with people who don’t really care. 

Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on August 13, 2020, 05:49:53 AM
A black woman was a smart choice

People will potentially see her as future President material (especially given Joe Bidens age)

It will compel more of the black voters to come out to vote (something that Hillary could not do) and it will also drive more women to vote (as evidenced by people voting for Hillary, solely because she was a woman and no other reason)

While I believe someones skin colour or gender is totally irrelevant in politics the truth is it does matter to enough people to make a difference at the poll. Especially when voting is not mandatory you really need to encourage people to get out there

If voting was both mandatory and held on a weekend, you'd almost guarantee Trump would have lost the last election lol. It's no wonder he doesn't like the idea of postal voting or any way that makes it easier for everyone to have their vote. He knows he'll lose

Yeah, that’s all fine, but I think it would be a mistake to try to make too big a deal out of it. 

People who care about that don’t need it explained, and it could easily backfire with people who don’t really care.

The other smart move would certainly not draw attention to it. Then you bring identity politics into it which is not only a turn off but insults Kamala Harris and her integrity (oh she only got there because shes a black woman). Not saying anything will have her appear to be on the ticket on merit. The fact (to those that care) that she is black and a woman will just be the bonus

When Australia had its female PM she was very big on the 'woe is me, I'm female, I have it so tough' talk. Essentially sacked all the males from their positions to prop up more females and was hated by the public. Not because of her being a woman but because she made a big deal about it.

Kamala Harris is going to need to soften her image though. There are some people (thanks to her previous job as a prosecutor) that would see her as nasty. She fought to keep a potentially innocent man in jail years after the judge ordered his release stating he was innocent

https://www.laweekly.com/daniel-larsons-an-innocent-man-says-federal-judge-so-why-is-he-still-in-prison/

Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on August 13, 2020, 08:20:31 AM


Fox News attempts to attack Harris.  This is a bit of a work in progress.  A bit rough and ineffective but they've got a few months.  Should have something more coherent soon.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Lorddave on August 13, 2020, 08:29:25 AM


Fox News attempts to attack Harris.  This is a bit of a work in progress.  A bit rough and ineffective but they've got a few months.  Should have something more coherent soon.

Well you know, they gotta market test which key words work best on their audience.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: New Earth on August 13, 2020, 09:18:52 AM
Lets break down new earths bullshit.
Very 2nd post he hints that hes thinking very racists or sexist or homophobic thoughts and doesnt want to get banned.

Last up we have a long list of reason he doesnt like lightfoot.
So we'll ignore chicagos looooooong history of being a crime city.

newearths crazy opposition to paying taxes for services.
Guess what - roads, hospitals, police, teachers all cost money.
These are not "for profit centers".
If she was after your liberties she would increase police - because... liberties.   Yes?  No?   You understand how dictatorship works right?   

Or that "pay for play" is exactly what BOTH SIDES DO and your current potus is no exception (whos his EPA?  how about the EU embassador?   recent post master general?   any big bankers running key parts of govt?  USA school system is doing well...)

New earth is a stupid racist.
"Racist against whites" - chicago was split up by segregation.
So is being racist against blacks ok?
Or shes just plain racist?
Or is she changing laws that favor blacks is what makes her racist?
How do you feel about laws that favour whites?
Like making sure white people are able to get property while black people are forever paying rent.
What did she do that makes her racist against white people?


Continue saying stupid things.
Try and come up with a legitimate non hypocritical complaint.
And stop watching fox news.


So now you are reading my mind? Now you know what thoughts I'm thinking? Listen Coperfield you don't know jack shit, but one thing you are right about, I can't share certain views here because they will ban me. I was banned for very minor stuff before. I'm not gonna discuss Lightfoot with you because you are not from here and therefore talking out of your ass. Police, schools, and all other public services exist in every state, in Chicago however you pay triple for everything. There is no need for taxes to be so high here, so yes democrats are stealing the money in broad daylight. I know you are not from Chicago but the construction around downtown on I 94 has been going on for 10 years now and zero progress has been made. Where is the money going to? Certain exits around downtown have been under construction for years. While Indiana and Wisconsin fixes 50 miles of road in little under 3 months.  There is obviously a clear difference between Republican and Democrtic budgiting and spending. Chicago politics is third world and can only be compared to that of Mexico or other corrupt nations. And no Chicago was never this violent before cause we actually had a mayor that ran the city well and cared about police (Daley) Rahm and Lori ruined the city. Blacks have been in Chicago for over a hundred years now and still complaining about lack of opportunity, housing and discrimination while immigrants from Eastern Europe somehow succeed within the first two years of arrival to America. Do you see a problem here Kabool?
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: markjo on August 13, 2020, 09:50:35 AM


Fox News attempts to attack Harris.  This is a bit of a work in progress.  A bit rough and ineffective but they've got a few months.  Should have something more coherent soon.

Well you know, they gotta market test which key words work best on their audience.
They've had months to do market research since Biden announced that he was going to pick a woman, and that's the best they could do?
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Lorddave on August 13, 2020, 09:59:35 AM
Can you tell me, specifically, which area of I-94 has been under construction for 10 years?  I'm looking for it but all I found was a 2 year project from Pfingsten Road to the Edens Expressway.

https://www.illinoistollway.com/projects/tri-state/edens-spur
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on August 13, 2020, 10:16:53 AM


Fox News attempts to attack Harris.  This is a bit of a work in progress.  A bit rough and ineffective but they've got a few months.  Should have something more coherent soon.

Well you know, they gotta market test which key words work best on their audience.
They've had months to do market research since Biden announced that he was going to pick a woman, and that's the best they could do?

True.  I guess they were really fixated on the possibility of Biden picking Nicolas Maduro or something.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 13, 2020, 11:17:51 AM

A black woman was a smart choice

It will compel more of the black voters to come out to vote ... and it will also drive more women to vote

If I were one of those folks who thinks almost everything is racist
I would be taking a close look at your statement.   ;D
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on August 13, 2020, 11:22:37 AM

A black woman was a smart choice

It will compel more of the black voters to come out to vote ... and it will also drive more women to vote

If I were one of those folks who thinks almost everything is racist
I would be taking a close look at your statement.   ;D
Shifter being the head racist/misogynist of the botd is well known.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Unconvinced on August 13, 2020, 11:23:32 AM


Fox News attempts to attack Harris.  This is a bit of a work in progress.  A bit rough and ineffective but they've got a few months.  Should have something more coherent soon.

Eh?

Vice President!  She’s up for being Vice President, not President.

Unless Fox News is aware of a credible threat to Biden’s life, in which case they should probably get in touch with the FBI, Secret  Service or someone.

Otherwise it’s just rambling nonsense.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on August 13, 2020, 11:29:19 AM
Oh but there is a credible threat to Joe Biden's life.  He's like 1000 years old.

Pseudo promoting her is a tactic to attack her instead of Biden.  They apparently believe she's an easier thing to demonize.  They're probably right.  But their strategy needs a lot of work.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JJA on August 13, 2020, 12:01:31 PM
Kamala Harris is going to need to soften her image though. There are some people (thanks to her previous job as a prosecutor) that would see her as nasty. She fought to keep a potentially innocent man in jail years after the judge ordered his release stating he was innocent

That's a perfect example of why sexism is still a problem.

A man doing that would be tough on crime, and seen as strong and dominant. Sure, you could say he went too far, but would say only because he's so aggressive on crime.

A woman is 'nasty' and needs to be more ladylike as to not spook men who can't handle women not being subservient to them.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on August 13, 2020, 12:11:17 PM
Kamala Harris is going to need to soften her image though. There are some people (thanks to her previous job as a prosecutor) that would see her as nasty. She fought to keep a potentially innocent man in jail years after the judge ordered his release stating he was innocent

That's a perfect example of why sexism is still a problem.

A man doing that would be tough on crime, and seen as strong and dominant. Sure, you could say he went too far, but would say only because he's so aggressive on crime.

A woman is 'nasty' and needs to be more ladylike as to not spook men who can't handle women not being subservient to them.

Men just get different adjectives but equal in condemnation

I wouldn't call a man keeping an innocent person a judge ordered released from jail in prison 'tough on crime'. I'd call him a bastard.




Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Themightykabool on August 13, 2020, 01:31:13 PM
Lets break down new earths bullshit.
Very 2nd post he hints that hes thinking very racists or sexist or homophobic thoughts and doesnt want to get banned.

Last up we have a long list of reason he doesnt like lightfoot.
So we'll ignore chicagos looooooong history of being a crime city.

newearths crazy opposition to paying taxes for services.
Guess what - roads, hospitals, police, teachers all cost money.
These are not "for profit centers".
If she was after your liberties she would increase police - because... liberties.   Yes?  No?   You understand how dictatorship works right?   

Or that "pay for play" is exactly what BOTH SIDES DO and your current potus is no exception (whos his EPA?  how about the EU embassador?   recent post master general?   any big bankers running key parts of govt?  USA school system is doing well...)

New earth is a stupid racist.
"Racist against whites" - chicago was split up by segregation.
So is being racist against blacks ok?
Or shes just plain racist?
Or is she changing laws that favor blacks is what makes her racist?
How do you feel about laws that favour whites?
Like making sure white people are able to get property while black people are forever paying rent.
What did she do that makes her racist against white people?


Continue saying stupid things.
Try and come up with a legitimate non hypocritical complaint.
And stop watching fox news.


So now you are reading my mind? Now you know what thoughts I'm thinking? Listen Coperfield you don't know jack shit, but one thing you are right about, I can't share certain views here because they will ban me. I was banned for very minor stuff before. I'm not gonna discuss Lightfoot with you because you are not from here and therefore talking out of your ass. Police, schools, and all other public services exist in every state, in Chicago however you pay triple for everything. There is no need for taxes to be so high here, so yes democrats are stealing the money in broad daylight. I know you are not from Chicago but the construction around downtown on I 94 has been going on for 10 years now and zero progress has been made. Where is the money going to? Certain exits around downtown have been under construction for years. While Indiana and Wisconsin fixes 50 miles of road in little under 3 months.  There is obviously a clear difference between Republican and Democrtic budgiting and spending. Chicago politics is third world and can only be compared to that of Mexico or other corrupt nations. And no Chicago was never this violent before cause we actually had a mayor that ran the city well and cared about police (Daley) Rahm and Lori ruined the city. Blacks have been in Chicago for over a hundred years now and still complaining about lack of opportunity, housing and discrimination while immigrants from Eastern Europe somehow succeed within the first two years of arrival to America. Do you see a problem here Kabool?

Yes
That problem is racism as already mentioned.
Or are you saying the problem is black people?
Becauss thats completely different.
Gotcha...

Gtfo.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: New Earth on August 13, 2020, 03:22:50 PM
Lets break down new earths bullshit.
Very 2nd post he hints that hes thinking very racists or sexist or homophobic thoughts and doesnt want to get banned.

Last up we have a long list of reason he doesnt like lightfoot.
So we'll ignore chicagos looooooong history of being a crime city.

newearths crazy opposition to paying taxes for services.
Guess what - roads, hospitals, police, teachers all cost money.
These are not "for profit centers".
If she was after your liberties she would increase police - because... liberties.   Yes?  No?   You understand how dictatorship works right?   

Or that "pay for play" is exactly what BOTH SIDES DO and your current potus is no exception (whos his EPA?  how about the EU embassador?   recent post master general?   any big bankers running key parts of govt?  USA school system is doing well...)

New earth is a stupid racist.
"Racist against whites" - chicago was split up by segregation.
So is being racist against blacks ok?
Or shes just plain racist?
Or is she changing laws that favor blacks is what makes her racist?
How do you feel about laws that favour whites?
Like making sure white people are able to get property while black people are forever paying rent.
What did she do that makes her racist against white people?


Continue saying stupid things.
Try and come up with a legitimate non hypocritical complaint.
And stop watching fox news.


So now you are reading my mind? Now you know what thoughts I'm thinking? Listen Coperfield you don't know jack shit, but one thing you are right about, I can't share certain views here because they will ban me. I was banned for very minor stuff before. I'm not gonna discuss Lightfoot with you because you are not from here and therefore talking out of your ass. Police, schools, and all other public services exist in every state, in Chicago however you pay triple for everything. There is no need for taxes to be so high here, so yes democrats are stealing the money in broad daylight. I know you are not from Chicago but the construction around downtown on I 94 has been going on for 10 years now and zero progress has been made. Where is the money going to? Certain exits around downtown have been under construction for years. While Indiana and Wisconsin fixes 50 miles of road in little under 3 months.  There is obviously a clear difference between Republican and Democrtic budgiting and spending. Chicago politics is third world and can only be compared to that of Mexico or other corrupt nations. And no Chicago was never this violent before cause we actually had a mayor that ran the city well and cared about police (Daley) Rahm and Lori ruined the city. Blacks have been in Chicago for over a hundred years now and still complaining about lack of opportunity, housing and discrimination while immigrants from Eastern Europe somehow succeed within the first two years of arrival to America. Do you see a problem here Kabool?

Yes
That problem is racism as already mentioned.
Or are you saying the problem is black people?
Becauss thats completely different.
Gotcha...

Gtfo.


Yes dude, the problem is not racism. This is 2020 not 1920. If we had racism there would be no black mayor, no black eldermen, no black secretary of state. Here in Illinois we have blacks in very high positions of power, yet black kids die every weekend from gun shots. Wake up liberals, just wake up.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: New Earth on August 13, 2020, 03:25:24 PM
Can you tell me, specifically, which area of I-94 has been under construction for 10 years?  I'm looking for it but all I found was a 2 year project from Pfingsten Road to the Edens Expressway.

https://www.illinoistollway.com/projects/tri-state/edens-spur


Phingsten is not Chicago, its Northbrook. So from Phingsten to Edens is nowhere near downtown. I'm talking about the area of Spaghetti bowl where I 94 meets 290. This has been going on for 10 years. Equipment seating and no one is working.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Jamie on August 13, 2020, 04:34:03 PM
I opened the thread titled, "Why do you support Joe Biden?," just to see New Earth bitching about construction where I-94 meets 290.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on August 13, 2020, 04:45:05 PM
I opened the thread titled, "Why do you support Joe Biden?," just to see New Earth bitching about construction where I-94 meets 290.

Yeah, I wonder why he can BS way off tangent to spew his vile brand of hatred and nonsense. What a Muppet. I'm sure our illustrious moderators will have a word with him. Eh boydster? :P

He clearly doesn't support Joe Biden. I know the concept of Biden becoming President with a black woman VP is awfully triggering to him and clearly shrivels his manhood to inferiority but perhaps he can sod off if he has nothing of substance to contribute
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: markjo on August 13, 2020, 08:36:14 PM
Yeah, I wonder why he can BS way off tangent to spew his vile brand of hatred and nonsense.
Maybe because you take the bait every time?
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Lorddave on August 14, 2020, 12:57:55 AM
Sorry guys, my fault.

But its ok.  I found all the info I need and, as usual, he's full of shit. 

Long of it is: He's blinded by his own hatred to read things or look anywhere besides his small, tiny world.

Back on topic!

Joe Biden approves of the peace deal agreed on by the UAE and Israel.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Bom Tishop on August 14, 2020, 02:12:22 AM


Fox News attempts to attack Harris.  This is a bit of a work in progress.  A bit rough and ineffective but they've got a few months.  Should have something more coherent soon.

Sure there is a little hyperbole, but for the most part I see nothing wrong with this video.

I am hoping the silent majority will pull through again, though I am afraid they won't be enough. I have never been this concerned on an election before. The Dems have shown how truly evil they are the last few months. Sadly the average Joe Dem who aren't such terrible people will vote for these snakes simply because there is a D on the ballot not knowing how bad they are screwing themselves and the country.

Truly terrible times
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on August 14, 2020, 02:37:45 AM


Fox News attempts to attack Harris.  This is a bit of a work in progress.  A bit rough and ineffective but they've got a few months.  Should have something more coherent soon.

Sure there is a little hyperbole, but for the most part I see nothing wrong with this video.

I am hoping the silent majority will pull through again, though I am afraid they won't be enough. I have never been this concerned on an election before. The Dems have shown how truly evil they are the last few months. Sadly the average Joe Dem who aren't such terrible people will vote for these snakes simply because there is a D on the ballot not knowing how bad they are screwing themselves and the country.

Truly terrible times

Trump hasn't screwed the country? He's doing a good job? He's good for America? It's image? Reputation? Standing in the world?

In almost every metric, he has failed dismally. Including the economy. Had he gone hard against the corone from the start, listened to the experts, allowed them to take the lead, recommend to his cult followers to wear masks like we wear undies. To practice hygeine and 'social distancing' (I hate that term lol), you would have tens of thousands of people alive today that are now dead

He's seriously teh worst thing that could have happened to America. I was hoping when he got elected he could have broken the mould and made a difference. But he took it straight to his head. Ego inflated and squandered the opportunity for his own personal gain and pleasure.

It's time the Repugnicans grew a backbone and dumped his fat arse to the curb and just have Pence running things. Regardless of where you sit on the political spectrum, Pence would at least restore dignity to the office and we wouldn't be bombarded with lies and BS Twitter rants

Trump just gets up every day and talks out his arse. Like when he said the Beirut explosion was an attack. The generals said it must be etc. Later they were like WTF is he talking about? Or his lie on the Veterans Choice Health Care bill - the one he said only he could pass but it was in fact passed by Obama years before Trump even entered politics. Sadly, people are believing this sort of nonsense.

I dont think Joe Biden is the 'best man for the job'. But at least he would listen to his handlers and communicate with dignity, courtesy and professionalism. No more stupid 'You could inject disinfectant to kill the virus' crap. Trump honestly could not stand the fact that medical health experts knew more about a topic than he did so he tried to show them up on stage. People actually died for his ego there

Trump is like an even worse version of 'Jim Jones'


Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JerkFace on August 14, 2020, 02:54:30 AM

Sure there is a little hyperbole, but for the most part I see nothing wrong with this video.

I am hoping the silent majority will pull through again, though I am afraid they won't be enough. I have never been this concerned on an election before. The Dems have shown how truly evil they are the last few months. Sadly the average Joe Dem who aren't such terrible people will vote for these snakes simply because there is a D on the ballot not knowing how bad they are screwing themselves and the country.

Truly terrible times

Did you see that they have a 911 truther running as GOP candidate in Georgia.   Marjorie Greene,  she's a Qanon nutter as well.    You should be happy.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on August 14, 2020, 03:13:47 AM
The Dems have shown how truly evil they are the last few months.
Truly evil?  Wow, what they been up to then?  A new Holocaust?  Child slaves?  A Great Terror?  Do tell!
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Stash on August 14, 2020, 03:26:32 AM
Trump is like an even worse version of 'Jim Jones'

Well that pretty much summed it up for me. Spot on. And there are millions of those kicking around this country more than willing to drink the Kool-Aid.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 14, 2020, 03:54:00 AM
We're all gonna die again.    ::)
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on August 14, 2020, 04:01:41 AM
We're all gonna die again.    ::)

Well 170K people already did. They wont get another opportunity
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on August 14, 2020, 04:12:18 AM
From Trump
Quote
“They want $25 billion for the Post Office. Now, they need that money in order to make the Post Office work so it can take all of these millions and millions of ballots.

“Now, if we don’t make a deal, that means they don’t get the money. That means they can’t have universal mail-in voting. They just can’t have it.

“If they don’t get those two items, that means you can’t have universal mail-in voting, because you – they’re not equipped to have it.”

From the Biden campaign
Quote
“The President of the United States is sabotaging a basic service that hundreds of millions of people rely upon, cutting a critical lifeline for rural economies and for delivery of medicines, because he wants to deprive Americans of their fundamental right to vote safely during the most catastrophic public health crisis in over 100 years,” spokesman Andrew Bates said.

“Even Donald Trump’s own campaign has endorsed voting by mail, and his own administration has conclusively refuted his wild-eyed conspiracy theories about the most secure form of voting.

“This is an assault on our democracy and economy by a desperate man who is terrified that the American people will force him to confront what he’s done everything in his power to escape for months – responsibility for his own actions.”

Well at least whatever the result is it might be fair to say the 2020 election was rigged. Rigged by Trump himself!
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on August 14, 2020, 07:39:30 AM


Fox News attempts to attack Harris.  This is a bit of a work in progress.  A bit rough and ineffective but they've got a few months.  Should have something more coherent soon.

Sure there is a little hyperbole, but for the most part I see nothing wrong with this video.

I am hoping the silent majority will pull through again, though I am afraid they won't be enough. I have never been this concerned on an election before. The Dems have shown how truly evil they are the last few months. Sadly the average Joe Dem who aren't such terrible people will vote for these snakes simply because there is a D on the ballot not knowing how bad they are screwing themselves and the country.

Truly terrible times

From a purely tactical viewpoint, it's incoherent and contradictory.  They've had months to come up with something.  Harris is both strongly pro cop but she also wants to abolish the police?  She's the most liberal senator?  Really?  More liberal than Sanders?   Then there's his brilliant strategy of intentionally mispronouncing her name. 

As for the truly evil dems... one of these candidates has admitted on air that he's kneecapping the post office to suppress votes because he thinks he can win the election that way.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: New Earth on August 14, 2020, 12:30:47 PM


Fox News attempts to attack Harris.  This is a bit of a work in progress.  A bit rough and ineffective but they've got a few months.  Should have something more coherent soon.

Sure there is a little hyperbole, but for the most part I see nothing wrong with this video.

I am hoping the silent majority will pull through again, though I am afraid they won't be enough. I have never been this concerned on an election before. The Dems have shown how truly evil they are the last few months. Sadly the average Joe Dem who aren't such terrible people will vote for these snakes simply because there is a D on the ballot not knowing how bad they are screwing themselves and the country.

Truly terrible times


Yes finally a smart man on this forum. So true that a lot of people vote for blindly just because there is D on the ballot. People don't realize that these democrats are socialist swine.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on August 14, 2020, 12:43:46 PM


Fox News attempts to attack Harris.  This is a bit of a work in progress.  A bit rough and ineffective but they've got a few months.  Should have something more coherent soon.

Sure there is a little hyperbole, but for the most part I see nothing wrong with this video.

I am hoping the silent majority will pull through again, though I am afraid they won't be enough. I have never been this concerned on an election before. The Dems have shown how truly evil they are the last few months. Sadly the average Joe Dem who aren't such terrible people will vote for these snakes simply because there is a D on the ballot not knowing how bad they are screwing themselves and the country.

Truly terrible times


Yes finally a smart man on this forum. So true that a lot of people vote for blindly just because there is D on the ballot. People don't realize that these democrats are socialist swine.

It's not because there is a D on the ballot they will vote that but because its NOT an R

Sometimes its not so much voting for a party as it is voting against one
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: markjo on August 14, 2020, 12:53:36 PM


Fox News attempts to attack Harris.  This is a bit of a work in progress.  A bit rough and ineffective but they've got a few months.  Should have something more coherent soon.

Sure there is a little hyperbole, but for the most part I see nothing wrong with this video.

I am hoping the silent majority will pull through again, though I am afraid they won't be enough. I have never been this concerned on an election before. The Dems have shown how truly evil they are the last few months. Sadly the average Joe Dem who aren't such terrible people will vote for these snakes simply because there is a D on the ballot not knowing how bad they are screwing themselves and the country.

Truly terrible times


Yes finally a smart man on this forum. So true that a lot of people vote for blindly just because there is D on the ballot. People don't realize that these democrats are socialist swine.
And if Trump has his way, then people will literally (not figuratively) have to risk their lives in order to vote in person.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on August 14, 2020, 12:56:15 PM


Fox News attempts to attack Harris.  This is a bit of a work in progress.  A bit rough and ineffective but they've got a few months.  Should have something more coherent soon.

Sure there is a little hyperbole, but for the most part I see nothing wrong with this video.

I am hoping the silent majority will pull through again, though I am afraid they won't be enough. I have never been this concerned on an election before. The Dems have shown how truly evil they are the last few months. Sadly the average Joe Dem who aren't such terrible people will vote for these snakes simply because there is a D on the ballot not knowing how bad they are screwing themselves and the country.

Truly terrible times


Yes finally a smart man on this forum. So true that a lot of people vote for blindly just because there is D on the ballot. People don't realize that these democrats are socialist swine.
And if Trump has his way, then people will literally (not figuratively) have to risk their lives in order to vote in person.

New Earth doesn't care about democracy. he just wants his team to win at any cost. Constitution, rules, fairness, rights and democratic values be damned. If he likes the authoritarian dictator in play then I'm sure he'd be down with Trump issuing a decree that says there will be no more elections and he will rule until he dies

Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: New Earth on August 14, 2020, 05:42:17 PM


Fox News attempts to attack Harris.  This is a bit of a work in progress.  A bit rough and ineffective but they've got a few months.  Should have something more coherent soon.

Sure there is a little hyperbole, but for the most part I see nothing wrong with this video.

I am hoping the silent majority will pull through again, though I am afraid they won't be enough. I have never been this concerned on an election before. The Dems have shown how truly evil they are the last few months. Sadly the average Joe Dem who aren't such terrible people will vote for these snakes simply because there is a D on the ballot not knowing how bad they are screwing themselves and the country.

Truly terrible times


Yes finally a smart man on this forum. So true that a lot of people vote for blindly just because there is D on the ballot. People don't realize that these democrats are socialist swine.
And if Trump has his way, then people will literally (not figuratively) have to risk their lives in order to vote in person.


Are you fucking serious man? Going to vote in person is dangerous for your life? Hahaha, so you wanna trade your rights and your freedom to vote in exchange for socialist dictatorship and quarantine by the fake Corona virus? Our founding fathers risked their lives, they had a real risk to be hung by King of England or be slaughtered by English army yet they fought hard and risked everything so that you can be free, so that you can vote in PERSON. This corona virus has crippled our nation in every way imaginable and under its pretense they are taking more and more rights away every day. Unless people wake up, throw their masks in the garbage and tell these Socialist fucks enough is enough we will lose America and be completely enslaved by the Deep state.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: markjo on August 14, 2020, 05:50:44 PM
Are you fucking serious man? Going to vote in person is dangerous for your life?
If you catch the coronavirus, then it certainly can be.  Especially to the workers who are generally older folks.

Hahaha, so you wanna trade your rights and your freedom to vote in exchange for socialist dictatorship and quarantine by the fake Corona virus?
No,  I want a safe and secure way to vote.  Mail in voting sounds like it fits the bill.

Our founding fathers risked their lives, they had a real risk to be hung by King of England or be slaughtered by English army yet they fought hard and risked everything so that you can be free, so that you can vote in PERSON.
They also established absentee/mail in voting for when voting in person is not a viable option.

This corona virus has crippled our nation in every way imaginable and under its pretense they are taking more and more rights away every day. Unless people wake up, throw their masks in the garbage and tell these Socialist fucks enough is enough we will lose America and be completely enslaved by the Deep state.
Coronavirus has not taken away our right to vote.  However, Donal Trump and the Republican party are trying to do just that, albeit in different ways.  And if you think that the the pandemic is fake, then talk to some of the families of the over 160,000 dead Americans.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Themightykabool on August 14, 2020, 06:42:54 PM


Fox News attempts to attack Harris.  This is a bit of a work in progress.  A bit rough and ineffective but they've got a few months.  Should have something more coherent soon.

Sure there is a little hyperbole, but for the most part I see nothing wrong with this video.

I am hoping the silent majority will pull through again, though I am afraid they won't be enough. I have never been this concerned on an election before. The Dems have shown how truly evil they are the last few months. Sadly the average Joe Dem who aren't such terrible people will vote for these snakes simply because there is a D on the ballot not knowing how bad they are screwing themselves and the country.

Truly terrible times


Yes finally a smart man on this forum. So true that a lot of people vote for blindly just because there is D on the ballot. People don't realize that these democrats are socialist swine.

Those FOR bernie that DIDNT vote for clinton in 2016 would disagree with you.
Keep saying stupid things!
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Themightykabool on August 14, 2020, 06:46:22 PM
Aaaah looks like he did keep saying stupid things.

Voting by mail doesnt prevent you from voiting.... unless the potus in charge of collecting the votes never does!
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Bullwinkle on August 16, 2020, 01:02:38 AM
Are you fucking serious man? Going to vote in person is dangerous for your life?
If you catch the coronavirus, then it certainly can be.  Especially to the workers who are generally older folks.

Hahaha, so you wanna trade your rights and your freedom to vote in exchange for socialist dictatorship and quarantine by the fake Corona virus?
No,  I want a safe and secure way to vote.  Mail in voting sounds like it fits the bill.

Our founding fathers risked their lives, they had a real risk to be hung by King of England or be slaughtered by English army yet they fought hard and risked everything so that you can be free, so that you can vote in PERSON.
They also established absentee/mail in voting for when voting in person is not a viable option.

This corona virus has crippled our nation in every way imaginable and under its pretense they are taking more and more rights away every day. Unless people wake up, throw their masks in the garbage and tell these Socialist fucks enough is enough we will lose America and be completely enslaved by the Deep state.
Coronavirus has not taken away our right to vote.  However, Donal Trump and the Republican party are trying to do just that, albeit in different ways.  And if you think that the the pandemic is fake, then talk to some of the families of the over 160,000 dead Americans.


Fucks sake, markjo, you'll bite a bare hook.   ::)
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: New Earth on August 16, 2020, 08:47:09 AM
If you see who the real troll is look no further then Bullwinkle. I mean this guy hates everyone.  Grow a pair dude and establish your take on things. Don't just post insults for insults sake.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JJA on August 16, 2020, 08:53:31 AM
If you see who the real troll is look no further then Bullwinkle. I mean this guy hates everyone.  Grow a pair dude and establish your take on things. Don't just post insults for insults sake.

If you keep saying stupid things, you will be continued to be called stupid.

Promoting the spread of a dangerous disease is just idiotic, so you get to be called an idiot.

Saying racist things gets you called a racist.

That's how it works.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: New Earth on August 16, 2020, 09:13:07 AM
Yes and meth is meth lol
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Lorddave on August 16, 2020, 10:01:12 AM
Yes and meth is meth lol

It is!
You should get off it.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Themightykabool on August 16, 2020, 10:52:59 AM
New earth called out for his BS and asked for ref to back up his claim - and choosss to deflect to winkle.

Follows trump play book.

What a weakass.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JJA on August 16, 2020, 10:53:30 AM
Yes and meth is meth lol

It is!
You should get off it.

I find it amusing that New Earth has picked meth as his choice of drug to insult people with, when Conservative, Republican states are the ones it's affecting most heavily.

Republicans are by far more likely to use meth, the top 5 stats with the worst meth usage are all red ones.

So... good job there.

If you want to accuse a liberal of using drugs, marijuana is a good choice. Cocaine too. But not meth.

It's as if he is most familiar with meth for some reason... hmmm. Curious!
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: New Earth on August 16, 2020, 12:14:37 PM
In all honesty no I never do meth, I'm all about Weed, specifically that Sativa. Its legal here at least that is one good thing about shitty Illinois. Now you see friend the reason meth is so popular down south and in rural areas is because its cheap and people down there have no money. Democrats and liberals claim that Republicans are the party of the rich. But we know that it is the biggest BS ever. Democrats are indeed the party of the rich. Democrats can afford Cocaine lol
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JJA on August 16, 2020, 12:27:47 PM
In all honesty no I never do meth, I'm all about Weed, specifically that Sativa. Its legal here at least that is one good thing about shitty Illinois. Now you see friend the reason meth is so popular down south and in rural areas is because its cheap and people down there have no money. Democrats and liberals claim that Republicans are the party of the rich. But we know that it is the biggest BS ever. Democrats are indeed the party of the rich. Democrats can afford Cocaine lol

Remind me again, who just gave a huge tax break to the rich? And all the other times? That would be Republicans. Been doing it since, well as long as I've been voting.

Vote Republican, watch the rich get more tax breaks, paid for by the deficit.  Like clockwork.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: New Earth on August 16, 2020, 12:34:11 PM
Really? Remind me who just deprived the unemployed the extra 400 dollars that Trump wanted to give. it was your girl Nancy and the fucking democrats. They don't care about poor people who are not working, they care about their own career and politics. They would rather save a fucking whale then to give a guy an extra 400 to feed his family. Pathetic, truly pathetic.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JJA on August 16, 2020, 12:41:19 PM
Really? Remind me who just deprived the unemployed the extra 400 dollars that Trump wanted to give. it was your girl Nancy and the fucking democrats. They don't care about poor people who are not working, they care about their own career and politics. They would rather save a fucking whale then to give a guy an extra 400 to feed his family. Pathetic, truly pathetic.

Remind me again who had a bill ready a month ago, and which party dicked around arguing with each other and only now after it's too late started to negotiate.

Remind me again who fought and fought and fought against a stimulus package when Obama was trying to deal with a recession. Remember that?  Remember when Republicans treated 'stimulus' like it was a bad word?  Oh yeah.

Democrats worked with Republicans for the first one, passing a bill vastly larger than the one Obama wanted, because it was the right thing to do.  Not Republicans are paying the price for all their own infighting.  There is blame on both sides here, but Republicans shoulder the vast majority of it.

You guys didn't care about the poor when Obama was president, and still don't.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: markjo on August 16, 2020, 08:45:04 PM
Really? Remind me who just deprived the unemployed the extra 400 dollars that Trump wanted to give. it was your girl Nancy and the fucking democrats.
Check me if I'm wrong, but McConnell wants to cut that to $200 and Pelosi wants to keep it at $600.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: New Earth on August 16, 2020, 09:27:41 PM
Really? Remind me who just deprived the unemployed the extra 400 dollars that Trump wanted to give. it was your girl Nancy and the fucking democrats. They don't care about poor people who are not working, they care about their own career and politics. They would rather save a fucking whale then to give a guy an extra 400 to feed his family. Pathetic, truly pathetic.

Remind me again who had a bill ready a month ago, and which party dicked around arguing with each other and only now after it's too late started to negotiate.

Remind me again who fought and fought and fought against a stimulus package when Obama was trying to deal with a recession. Remember that?  Remember when Republicans treated 'stimulus' like it was a bad word?  Oh yeah.

Democrats worked with Republicans for the first one, passing a bill vastly larger than the one Obama wanted, because it was the right thing to do.  Not Republicans are paying the price for all their own infighting.  There is blame on both sides here, but Republicans shoulder the vast majority of it.

You guys didn't care about the poor when Obama was president, and still don't.


Dude I believe in parallel universes but you my friend prove they exist. Cause you speaking from a parallel universe cause in my world its very different reality. You see in my reality Obama gave stimulas to large corporations and his rich corporate friends, Trump on the other hand gave it to the unemployed Americans.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Lorddave on August 16, 2020, 11:32:40 PM
Really? Remind me who just deprived the unemployed the extra 400 dollars that Trump wanted to give. it was your girl Nancy and the fucking democrats. They don't care about poor people who are not working, they care about their own career and politics. They would rather save a fucking whale then to give a guy an extra 400 to feed his family. Pathetic, truly pathetic.

Remind me again who had a bill ready a month ago, and which party dicked around arguing with each other and only now after it's too late started to negotiate.

Remind me again who fought and fought and fought against a stimulus package when Obama was trying to deal with a recession. Remember that?  Remember when Republicans treated 'stimulus' like it was a bad word?  Oh yeah.

Democrats worked with Republicans for the first one, passing a bill vastly larger than the one Obama wanted, because it was the right thing to do.  Not Republicans are paying the price for all their own infighting.  There is blame on both sides here, but Republicans shoulder the vast majority of it.

You guys didn't care about the poor when Obama was president, and still don't.


Dude I believe in parallel universes but you my friend prove they exist. Cause you speaking from a parallel universe cause in my world its very different reality. You see in my reality Obama gave stimulas to large corporations and his rich corporate friends, Trump on the other hand gave it to the unemployed Americans.

Technically he gave it to everyone: employed or not.  Rich or not.  Hell, I got one and I'm not even IN America.
But given that it was bipartisan and he delayed it by a few week so he could have his name stamped on it, I'm not giving him that satisfaction.

He sure as hell didn't have to fight for it to be passed in the House.  He did 0 work in getting it passed.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Themightykabool on August 17, 2020, 01:07:17 AM
New earth
Are you arguing with actual recorded history about this adminsitrations dicking around about the pay package?
Are you that fking stupid?
This is RECORDED HISTORY!
The 400$ is actually 300$.
And the point of it is so people DONT GO MILLING ABOUT AND SPREADING CORONA.
Instead these are pathetic bandaids where stim packages were initialpy gobbled up by big profit corps leaving nothing for small local busieness.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/robertberger/2020/08/11/mnuchin-400-weekly-unemployment-benefit-to-start-in-a-week-or-two/amp/


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/04/14/coronavirus-law-congress-tax-change/%3foutputType=amp


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/09/us-congress-billions-coronavirus-aid-relief-package
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: totallackey on August 17, 2020, 03:19:33 AM
And if Trump has his way, then people will literally (not figuratively) have to risk their lives in order to vote in person.
What is the objective difference between waiting in a six foot spaced line at the grocery store or waiting in a six foot spaced line at the voting booth?

Is the virus aware of where you are located and only targets specific lines?
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Lorddave on August 17, 2020, 04:08:07 AM
And if Trump has his way, then people will literally (not figuratively) have to risk their lives in order to vote in person.
What is the objective difference between waiting in a six foot spaced line at the grocery store or waiting in a six foot spaced line at the voting booth?

Is the virus aware of where you are located and only targets specific lines?

One can be done by delivery or proxy. 
The other can't.(Not anymore anyway)
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: totallackey on August 17, 2020, 05:06:02 AM
And if Trump has his way, then people will literally (not figuratively) have to risk their lives in order to vote in person.
What is the objective difference between waiting in a six foot spaced line at the grocery store or waiting in a six foot spaced line at the voting booth?

Is the virus aware of where you are located and only targets specific lines?

One can be done by delivery or proxy. 
The other can't.(Not anymore anyway)
Sorry, standing in a line waiting to vote or go shopping = standing in a line.

I am unsure of what is so difficult to understand...but then again...I need to consider it is you replying and all...
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Themightykabool on August 17, 2020, 05:15:30 AM
Are you (lackless) saykng that you do your shopping in a tiny booth with a curtain?

Or are you saying you shop at the only store available in a town of 100,000s and npt only that, the only store for all neighbouring towns, and thst store is only open 9-5?
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Stash on August 17, 2020, 05:52:06 AM
And if Trump has his way, then people will literally (not figuratively) have to risk their lives in order to vote in person.
What is the objective difference between waiting in a six foot spaced line at the grocery store or waiting in a six foot spaced line at the voting booth?

Is the virus aware of where you are located and only targets specific lines?

One can be done by delivery or proxy. 
The other can't.(Not anymore anyway)
Sorry, standing in a line waiting to vote or go shopping = standing in a line.

I am unsure of what is so difficult to understand...but then again...I need to consider it is you replying and all...

There are a multitude of factors you have to take into consideration, even around just standing in line. There's the duration of which you may need to wait at a polling station versus the check out line at, for example, Trader Joes; the longer you stand, the greater the risk of exposure - I wouldn't want to go to a polling station in Georgia, for instance:

(https://i.imgur.com/jgOFA2Y.png)
https://bipartisanpolicy.org/report/the-2018-voting-experience/

As well, polling stations can be anywhere. From the basement of the local library to some neighbor's garage. Could be a tight, confined space to a large airy one. There will probably be some guidelines for the stations, like perhaps halving the number of booths to maintain distance which ostensibly could double wait times. More time, more risk of exposure.
Major grocery stores probably have their sanitation protocols down fairly solid by now. I'm not sure Polling Station #212 down the street in Jimmy's garage will be entirely compliant with CDC recommendations.

Lastly, I don't know the percentage of people who shop in person, but I personally haven't been in a grocery store in months. Everything is delivered. And maybe a lot of older and/or compromised people get delivery or friends/relatives do the shopping for them. Or, at a minimum these older and/or compromised people try and limit their public exposure as much as conceivably possible. So given the opportunity to absentee vote/vote by mail would be just yet another opportunity to not mingle with the masses.

Overall, vote by mail works. As you can see by the above chart the States not listed were over 80% vote by mail in 2018. No fraud, no nothing. It just worked. So why not create an opportunity for people to vote when they don't feel comfortable doing it in person. I mean all of the Trumps vote by mail. 
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Lorddave on August 17, 2020, 06:01:42 AM
And if Trump has his way, then people will literally (not figuratively) have to risk their lives in order to vote in person.
What is the objective difference between waiting in a six foot spaced line at the grocery store or waiting in a six foot spaced line at the voting booth?

Is the virus aware of where you are located and only targets specific lines?

One can be done by delivery or proxy. 
The other can't.(Not anymore anyway)
Sorry, standing in a line waiting to vote or go shopping = standing in a line.

I am unsure of what is so difficult to understand...but then again...I need to consider it is you replying and all...
Yeeessss....

Now what about the people who are NOT standing in line to shop, dumbass?
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on August 17, 2020, 07:07:30 AM
STOP
RESPOND
TO
TOTALLACKEY
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: markjo on August 17, 2020, 07:29:40 AM
And if Trump has his way, then people will literally (not figuratively) have to risk their lives in order to vote in person.
What is the objective difference between waiting in a six foot spaced line at the grocery store or waiting in a six foot spaced line at the voting booth?

Is the virus aware of where you are located and only targets specific lines?
??? Did I imply that one was safer than the other?  These days you're taking your life into your own hands every time you go out.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: totallackey on August 17, 2020, 07:47:17 AM
Are you (lackless) saykng that you do your shopping in a tiny booth with a curtain?

Or are you saying you shop at the only store available in a town of 100,000s and npt only that, the only store for all neighbouring towns, and thst store is only open 9-5?
Now a virus is cogent enough to determine where you happen to be standing once you reach your destination...

LOL!!!
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: totallackey on August 17, 2020, 07:49:08 AM
And if Trump has his way, then people will literally (not figuratively) have to risk their lives in order to vote in person.
What is the objective difference between waiting in a six foot spaced line at the grocery store or waiting in a six foot spaced line at the voting booth?

Is the virus aware of where you are located and only targets specific lines?

One can be done by delivery or proxy. 
The other can't.(Not anymore anyway)
Sorry, standing in a line waiting to vote or go shopping = standing in a line.

I am unsure of what is so difficult to understand...but then again...I need to consider it is you replying and all...
Yeeessss....

Now what about the people who are NOT standing in line to shop, dumbass?
Well, what about them?

Those people are choosing not to go shopping.

Their choice.

Just like it would be their choice to file for an absentee ballot.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: totallackey on August 17, 2020, 07:51:49 AM
And if Trump has his way, then people will literally (not figuratively) have to risk their lives in order to vote in person.
What is the objective difference between waiting in a six foot spaced line at the grocery store or waiting in a six foot spaced line at the voting booth?

Is the virus aware of where you are located and only targets specific lines?

One can be done by delivery or proxy. 
The other can't.(Not anymore anyway)
Sorry, standing in a line waiting to vote or go shopping = standing in a line.

I am unsure of what is so difficult to understand...but then again...I need to consider it is you replying and all...

There are a multitude of factors you have to take into consideration, even around just standing in line. There's the duration of which you may need to wait at a polling station versus the check out line at, for example, Trader Joes; the longer you stand, the greater the risk of exposure - I wouldn't want to go to a polling station in Georgia, for instance:

(https://i.imgur.com/jgOFA2Y.png)
https://bipartisanpolicy.org/report/the-2018-voting-experience/

As well, polling stations can be anywhere. From the basement of the local library to some neighbor's garage. Could be a tight, confined space to a large airy one. There will probably be some guidelines for the stations, like perhaps halving the number of booths to maintain distance which ostensibly could double wait times. More time, more risk of exposure.
Major grocery stores probably have their sanitation protocols down fairly solid by now. I'm not sure Polling Station #212 down the street in Jimmy's garage will be entirely compliant with CDC recommendations.

Lastly, I don't know the percentage of people who shop in person, but I personally haven't been in a grocery store in months. Everything is delivered. And maybe a lot of older and/or compromised people get delivery or friends/relatives do the shopping for them. Or, at a minimum these older and/or compromised people try and limit their public exposure as much as conceivably possible. So given the opportunity to absentee vote/vote by mail would be just yet another opportunity to not mingle with the masses.

Overall, vote by mail works. As you can see by the above chart the States not listed were over 80% vote by mail in 2018. No fraud, no nothing. It just worked. So why not create an opportunity for people to vote when they don't feel comfortable doing it in person. I mean all of the Trumps vote by mail.
Overall, vote by mail does not work.

You are so wrong is it laughable.

Your BS revisionist history tactics per 1984 don't work with me.

People have always had the opportunity to file for an absentee ballot.

The push for voting by mail as mandatory as protection against corona is just BS fear tactics.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: totallackey on August 17, 2020, 07:53:30 AM
And if Trump has his way, then people will literally (not figuratively) have to risk their lives in order to vote in person.
What is the objective difference between waiting in a six foot spaced line at the grocery store or waiting in a six foot spaced line at the voting booth?

Is the virus aware of where you are located and only targets specific lines?
??? Did I imply that one was safer than the other?  These days you're taking your life into your own hands every time you go out.
You implied their death, should it occur, would be on Trump's hands...

Hilarious!!!
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: markjo on August 17, 2020, 07:59:41 AM
And if Trump has his way, then people will literally (not figuratively) have to risk their lives in order to vote in person.
What is the objective difference between waiting in a six foot spaced line at the grocery store or waiting in a six foot spaced line at the voting booth?

Is the virus aware of where you are located and only targets specific lines?
??? Did I imply that one was safer than the other?  These days you're taking your life into your own hands every time you go out.
You implied their death, should it occur, would be on Trump's hands...

Hilarious!!!
If someone catches and dies from covid because of standing in line to vote because they couldn't vote by mail, then it would be Trump's fault.  Just like it can be argued that Ben Carson's death is Trump's fault because Carson went to a Trump rally where there was no social distancing and hardly any masks worn.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JerkFace on August 17, 2020, 08:12:44 AM
If someone catches and dies from covid because of standing in line to vote because they couldn't vote by mail, then it would be Trump's fault.  Just like it can be argued that Ben Carson's death is Trump's fault because Carson went to a Trump rally where there was no social distancing and hardly any masks worn.

I think you meant Herman Cain,   Ben Carson isn't dead, he's just sleeping a lot,  and just smells that way.

Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: totallackey on August 17, 2020, 08:50:03 AM
And if Trump has his way, then people will literally (not figuratively) have to risk their lives in order to vote in person.
What is the objective difference between waiting in a six foot spaced line at the grocery store or waiting in a six foot spaced line at the voting booth?

Is the virus aware of where you are located and only targets specific lines?
??? Did I imply that one was safer than the other?  These days you're taking your life into your own hands every time you go out.
You implied their death, should it occur, would be on Trump's hands...

Hilarious!!!
If someone catches and dies from covid because of standing in line to vote because they couldn't vote by mail, then it would be Trump's fault.
How the fuck would it be Trump's fault?

Trump doesn't establish the rules for how to carry out an election.
Just like it can be argued that Ben Carson's death is Trump's fault because Carson went to a Trump rally where there was no social distancing and hardly any masks worn.
You are an idiot.

Ben Carson is still alive.

The syphilis is finally eating away the remainder of brain.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Stash on August 17, 2020, 08:51:08 AM
And if Trump has his way, then people will literally (not figuratively) have to risk their lives in order to vote in person.
What is the objective difference between waiting in a six foot spaced line at the grocery store or waiting in a six foot spaced line at the voting booth?

Is the virus aware of where you are located and only targets specific lines?

One can be done by delivery or proxy. 
The other can't.(Not anymore anyway)
Sorry, standing in a line waiting to vote or go shopping = standing in a line.

I am unsure of what is so difficult to understand...but then again...I need to consider it is you replying and all...

There are a multitude of factors you have to take into consideration, even around just standing in line. There's the duration of which you may need to wait at a polling station versus the check out line at, for example, Trader Joes; the longer you stand, the greater the risk of exposure - I wouldn't want to go to a polling station in Georgia, for instance:

(https://i.imgur.com/jgOFA2Y.png)
https://bipartisanpolicy.org/report/the-2018-voting-experience/

As well, polling stations can be anywhere. From the basement of the local library to some neighbor's garage. Could be a tight, confined space to a large airy one. There will probably be some guidelines for the stations, like perhaps halving the number of booths to maintain distance which ostensibly could double wait times. More time, more risk of exposure.
Major grocery stores probably have their sanitation protocols down fairly solid by now. I'm not sure Polling Station #212 down the street in Jimmy's garage will be entirely compliant with CDC recommendations.

Lastly, I don't know the percentage of people who shop in person, but I personally haven't been in a grocery store in months. Everything is delivered. And maybe a lot of older and/or compromised people get delivery or friends/relatives do the shopping for them. Or, at a minimum these older and/or compromised people try and limit their public exposure as much as conceivably possible. So given the opportunity to absentee vote/vote by mail would be just yet another opportunity to not mingle with the masses.

Overall, vote by mail works. As you can see by the above chart the States not listed were over 80% vote by mail in 2018. No fraud, no nothing. It just worked. So why not create an opportunity for people to vote when they don't feel comfortable doing it in person. I mean all of the Trumps vote by mail.
Overall, vote by mail does not work.

Do you ever provide any evidence or maybe even just a smidge of logic for your claims? "Overall, vote by mail does not work." Ummm, how so? What does that even mean, it doesn't work? In the chart as I explained, 5 or so States have more than 80% mail in votes and have had no problems. In other words, it does work. What makes you say it doesn't?

You are so wrong is it laughable.

Do you ever provide any evidence or maybe even just a smidge of logic for your claims? You're not even saying what's wrong. What about what I wrote is wrong?

Your BS revisionist history tactics per 1984 don't work with me.

Do you ever provide any evidence or maybe even just a smidge of logic for your claims? What in the world are you talking about? What is revisionist or Orwellian about this?

People have always had the opportunity to file for an absentee ballot.

Yeah, and, what's your point?

The push for voting by mail as mandatory as protection against corona is just BS fear tactics.

You mean "mandatory" as in you can ONLY vote by mail? If so, who is pushing for "mandatory" vote by mail only?
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: totallackey on August 17, 2020, 08:58:26 AM
And if Trump has his way, then people will literally (not figuratively) have to risk their lives in order to vote in person.
What is the objective difference between waiting in a six foot spaced line at the grocery store or waiting in a six foot spaced line at the voting booth?

Is the virus aware of where you are located and only targets specific lines?

One can be done by delivery or proxy. 
The other can't.(Not anymore anyway)
Sorry, standing in a line waiting to vote or go shopping = standing in a line.

I am unsure of what is so difficult to understand...but then again...I need to consider it is you replying and all...

There are a multitude of factors you have to take into consideration, even around just standing in line. There's the duration of which you may need to wait at a polling station versus the check out line at, for example, Trader Joes; the longer you stand, the greater the risk of exposure - I wouldn't want to go to a polling station in Georgia, for instance:

(https://i.imgur.com/jgOFA2Y.png)
https://bipartisanpolicy.org/report/the-2018-voting-experience/

As well, polling stations can be anywhere. From the basement of the local library to some neighbor's garage. Could be a tight, confined space to a large airy one. There will probably be some guidelines for the stations, like perhaps halving the number of booths to maintain distance which ostensibly could double wait times. More time, more risk of exposure.
Major grocery stores probably have their sanitation protocols down fairly solid by now. I'm not sure Polling Station #212 down the street in Jimmy's garage will be entirely compliant with CDC recommendations.

Lastly, I don't know the percentage of people who shop in person, but I personally haven't been in a grocery store in months. Everything is delivered. And maybe a lot of older and/or compromised people get delivery or friends/relatives do the shopping for them. Or, at a minimum these older and/or compromised people try and limit their public exposure as much as conceivably possible. So given the opportunity to absentee vote/vote by mail would be just yet another opportunity to not mingle with the masses.

Overall, vote by mail works. As you can see by the above chart the States not listed were over 80% vote by mail in 2018. No fraud, no nothing. It just worked. So why not create an opportunity for people to vote when they don't feel comfortable doing it in person. I mean all of the Trumps vote by mail.
Overall, vote by mail does not work.

Do you ever provide any evidence or maybe even just a smidge of logic for your claims? "Overall, vote by mail does not work." Ummm, how so? What does that even mean, it doesn't work? In the chart as I explained, 5 or so States have more than 80% mail in votes and have had no problems. In other words, it does work. What makes you say it doesn't?
You ignored this key sentence from your source in your typically disingenuous way.

Christ, you are so transparent.

"The good news is that despite the surge in turnout in 2018, unacceptably long lines to vote were infrequent. Among in-person voters, only 6% reported waiting more than 30 minutes before they could cast a ballot."

In other words, the amount of time to vote doesn't even exceed the average time spent at a grocery store or any other retailer.
You are so wrong is it laughable.

Do you ever provide any evidence or maybe even just a smidge of logic for your claims? You're not even saying what's wrong. What about what I wrote is wrong?
See above shitbird.
Your BS revisionist history tactics per 1984 don't work with me.

Do you ever provide any evidence or maybe even just a smidge of logic for your claims? What in the world are you talking about? What is revisionist or Orwellian about this?
See above shitbird.
People have always had the opportunity to file for an absentee ballot.

Yeah, and, what's your point?
Voting by mail is a process requiring certain steps to be taken...not enacted post haste or ad hoc for no valid reason.

It is minimized for a reason.

The push for voting by mail as mandatory as protection against corona is just BS fear tactics.

You mean "mandatory" as in you can ONLY vote by mail? If so, who is pushing for "mandatory" vote by mail only?
Most dumb democrats like yourself.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: markjo on August 17, 2020, 09:06:58 AM
If someone catches and dies from covid because of standing in line to vote because they couldn't vote by mail, then it would be Trump's fault.  Just like it can be argued that Ben Carson's death is Trump's fault because Carson went to a Trump rally where there was no social distancing and hardly any masks worn.

I think you meant Herman Cain,   Ben Carson isn't dead, he's just sleeping a lot,  and just smells that way.
Oops.  :-[  Sorry about that, but I think that you get my point.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: markjo on August 17, 2020, 09:13:44 AM
And if Trump has his way, then people will literally (not figuratively) have to risk their lives in order to vote in person.
What is the objective difference between waiting in a six foot spaced line at the grocery store or waiting in a six foot spaced line at the voting booth?

Is the virus aware of where you are located and only targets specific lines?
??? Did I imply that one was safer than the other?  These days you're taking your life into your own hands every time you go out.
You implied their death, should it occur, would be on Trump's hands...

Hilarious!!!
If someone catches and dies from covid because of standing in line to vote because they couldn't vote by mail, then it would be Trump's fault.
How the fuck would it be Trump's fault?

Trump doesn't establish the rules for how to carry out an election.
By appointing an incompetent Postmaster General and threatening to withhold funding, he is actively degrading the postal service's ability to promptly respond to mail in voting.  If mail in voting is not a viable option, then the only alternative is standing in line for in person voting.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Lorddave on August 17, 2020, 09:15:35 AM
And if Trump has his way, then people will literally (not figuratively) have to risk their lives in order to vote in person.
What is the objective difference between waiting in a six foot spaced line at the grocery store or waiting in a six foot spaced line at the voting booth?

Is the virus aware of where you are located and only targets specific lines?

One can be done by delivery or proxy. 
The other can't.(Not anymore anyway)
Sorry, standing in a line waiting to vote or go shopping = standing in a line.

I am unsure of what is so difficult to understand...but then again...I need to consider it is you replying and all...
Yeeessss....

Now what about the people who are NOT standing in line to shop, dumbass?
Well, what about them?

Those people are choosing not to go shopping.

Their choice.

Just like it would be their choice to file for an absentee ballot.

Ummmm.... Nooooo...

https://www.sos.texas.gov/elections/voter/reqabbm.shtml
Notice how most people don't qualify?

Lets check Florida.
Hmmm... Only Mail in Voting, no Absentee Ballots.
But no mention of restrictions.

North Carolina.
No restrictions.

New York
Restricted to people unable to go to the polls.

Wisconson
No restrictions.

Pensylvania
Mail in ballot - no reason required
Absentee ballot - you must have a reason to be away from your county on election day or be physically unable to go.



Sooo... Yeah.  Different states, different rules.  Not everyone has a choice.  Lets check you.  Idaho.
No restrictions.  But no security either.  If I knew your name, I could request a ballot in your name, have it sent to me, then have 'you' vote Joe Biden.

Cool.  Maybe thats what Trump meant?  That absentee ballots can be requested by anyone, even people who aren't the voter?
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on August 17, 2020, 09:38:57 AM
By appointing an incompetent Postmaster General
To be fair, he's appointed a lot of incompetent people.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Stash on August 17, 2020, 09:39:19 AM
And if Trump has his way, then people will literally (not figuratively) have to risk their lives in order to vote in person.
What is the objective difference between waiting in a six foot spaced line at the grocery store or waiting in a six foot spaced line at the voting booth?

Is the virus aware of where you are located and only targets specific lines?

One can be done by delivery or proxy. 
The other can't.(Not anymore anyway)
Sorry, standing in a line waiting to vote or go shopping = standing in a line.

I am unsure of what is so difficult to understand...but then again...I need to consider it is you replying and all...

There are a multitude of factors you have to take into consideration, even around just standing in line. There's the duration of which you may need to wait at a polling station versus the check out line at, for example, Trader Joes; the longer you stand, the greater the risk of exposure - I wouldn't want to go to a polling station in Georgia, for instance:

(https://i.imgur.com/jgOFA2Y.png)
https://bipartisanpolicy.org/report/the-2018-voting-experience/

As well, polling stations can be anywhere. From the basement of the local library to some neighbor's garage. Could be a tight, confined space to a large airy one. There will probably be some guidelines for the stations, like perhaps halving the number of booths to maintain distance which ostensibly could double wait times. More time, more risk of exposure.
Major grocery stores probably have their sanitation protocols down fairly solid by now. I'm not sure Polling Station #212 down the street in Jimmy's garage will be entirely compliant with CDC recommendations.

Lastly, I don't know the percentage of people who shop in person, but I personally haven't been in a grocery store in months. Everything is delivered. And maybe a lot of older and/or compromised people get delivery or friends/relatives do the shopping for them. Or, at a minimum these older and/or compromised people try and limit their public exposure as much as conceivably possible. So given the opportunity to absentee vote/vote by mail would be just yet another opportunity to not mingle with the masses.

Overall, vote by mail works. As you can see by the above chart the States not listed were over 80% vote by mail in 2018. No fraud, no nothing. It just worked. So why not create an opportunity for people to vote when they don't feel comfortable doing it in person. I mean all of the Trumps vote by mail.
Overall, vote by mail does not work.

Do you ever provide any evidence or maybe even just a smidge of logic for your claims? "Overall, vote by mail does not work." Ummm, how so? What does that even mean, it doesn't work? In the chart as I explained, 5 or so States have more than 80% mail in votes and have had no problems. In other words, it does work. What makes you say it doesn't?
You ignored this key sentence from your source in your typically disingenuous way.

Christ, you are so transparent.

"The good news is that despite the surge in turnout in 2018, unacceptably long lines to vote were infrequent. Among in-person voters, only 6% reported waiting more than 30 minutes before they could cast a ballot."

In other words, the amount of time to vote doesn't even exceed the average time spent at a grocery store or any other retailer.

Apparently, you don't know how to read a chart. The chart maps out the "Average wait time to vote on election day, 2014 and 2018".

So yeah, 6% reported waiting 30 minutes or more, but look at the chart, the average wait times were all under 30 minutes. But the average wait time in Georgia, for example, was approximately 25 minutes. Read the chart! I've never waited in a grocery store line for 25 minutes. Have you?

Could you be more inept and disingenuous?

You are so wrong is it laughable.

Do you ever provide any evidence or maybe even just a smidge of logic for your claims? You're not even saying what's wrong. What about what I wrote is wrong?
See above shitbird.

Proving my point once again. You never provide any evidence or maybe even just a smidge of logic for your claims.

See the chart.

Your BS revisionist history tactics per 1984 don't work with me.

Do you ever provide any evidence or maybe even just a smidge of logic for your claims? What in the world are you talking about? What is revisionist or Orwellian about this?
See above shitbird.

Proving my point once again. You never provide any evidence or maybe even just a smidge of logic for your claims.

What is revisionist or Orwellian about the chart and average wait times that in large part exceed a grocery store check out line. Are you high?

People have always had the opportunity to file for an absentee ballot.

Yeah, and, what's your point?
Voting by mail is a process requiring certain steps to be taken...not enacted post haste or ad hoc for no valid reason.

It is minimized for a reason.

What reason? It would be helpful you provided insight for your claims. Reasons?


The push for voting by mail as mandatory as protection against corona is just BS fear tactics.

You mean "mandatory" as in you can ONLY vote by mail? If so, who is pushing for "mandatory" vote by mail only?
Most dumb democrats like yourself.

Name anyone who is "pushing" for mandatory mail in voting ONLY. You just completely made that up. Why?
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JJA on August 17, 2020, 10:24:32 AM
Sooo... Yeah.  Different states, different rules.  Not everyone has a choice.  Lets check you.  Idaho.
No restrictions.  But no security either.  If I knew your name, I could request a ballot in your name, have it sent to me, then have 'you' vote Joe Biden.

Not really. For starters, they are going to notice if they get two votes from the same person.

The ballot also has to be mailed from the voters registered address.

I could also walk up to an in-person voting center and pretend to be you as well.

So I wouldn't say there is no security, there are a lot of checks in place.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: markjo on August 17, 2020, 10:31:20 AM
Sooo... Yeah.  Different states, different rules.  Not everyone has a choice.  Lets check you.  Idaho.
No restrictions.  But no security either.  If I knew your name, I could request a ballot in your name, have it sent to me, then have 'you' vote Joe Biden.

Not really. For starters, they are going to notice if they get two votes from the same person.

The ballot also has to be mailed from the voters registered address.
People move, especially these days when they can't afford their rent/mortgage.

I could also walk up to an in-person voting center and pretend to be you as well.

So I wouldn't say there is no security, there are a lot of checks in place.
No voting system is perfect.  You just try to take as many prudent precautions as practical.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Themightykabool on August 17, 2020, 11:01:05 AM
Are you (lackless) saykng that you do your shopping in a tiny booth with a curtain?

Or are you saying you shop at the only store available in a town of 100,000s and npt only that, the only store for all neighbouring towns, and thst store is only open 9-5?
Now a virus is cogent enough to determine where you happen to be standing once you reach your destination...

LOL!!!

man you're stupid.
yes, as you say, the virus is not cognitive.
the virus does like different people breathing the same air in a confined space.
and just like your stupid face, infected people will continue spewing out that shit with every breath and just like DNS says, those who can't help it get infected by your shit comments and feel the need to respond to your troll shit.
so as per my comment - either a booth where everyone shares it, or a small town community center that everyone at the same time has to go to - IS VERY DIFFERENT than your stupidass comparison to a grocery store that has higher air changes for AC and mold control, large lanes sized for people and their carts, and open 12hrs everyday with pretty much one in every 10mi radius.





Overall, vote by mail does not work.

You are so wrong is it laughable.

Your BS revisionist history tactics per 1984 don't work with me.

People have always had the opportunity to file for an absentee ballot.

The push for voting by mail as mandatory as protection against corona is just BS fear tactics.


BS fear tactic?
pretty sure "voter fraud" has been thoroughly debunked (as with the flat earth).
pretty sure the repub leaders are on mic admittedly saying vote by mail will cause them to lose.
pretty sure USA is number 2, only behind INDIA WITH A BILLION PEOPLE (3x the population), in being NOT able to control this virus.

if abentee by mail works.
mail in will also work.
by your reasoning, because vote machines don't work, no one should be voting in person.
keep saying stupid things because your arguments for/ against are double edged.

so is it to stuff the dems?
or is the reason that protecting citizens is unnecessary?
because clearly he hasn't cared too much about protecting citizens.
so the reason is to stuff the dems.
that's all he cares about.
good luck USA!



https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/08/13/trump-confesses-voter-supression/
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on August 17, 2020, 11:08:56 AM
totallackey and his lackey New Earth should just be ignored. They have nothing intelligent to say and are just deliberately winding people up so that they lose their cool in the upper forums. Not sure why the mods permit the obvious trolling and derogatory insults in these upper boards but just put them on ignore. It will clean your viewing of the thread up quite nicely and remove all the BS

If people support Donald Trump, in a democracy that is totally acceptable. However you think these people could at least back up their support with reason and facts and not have to rely on made up BS and conspirtard theories about the opponents or those that support someone different to them

Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: New Earth on August 17, 2020, 11:28:41 AM
You guys are the once who got no reason and no facts. You guys are not doctors or scientists yet you blindly follow the media about this retarded Corona virus. Stop coming up with fake numbers, I told that I investigated Emergency Rooms in April and found no Corona patients there. You can call me a liar I don't care but when in doubt I do my own investigations and conclude the facts. You complain to the admins because we do not push socialism and defend America from left wing psychopaths? Corona virus is not medical, it is purely political and the lackey explained there is no logic in what they say it does. Trump rally spreads Corona but BLM riots don't. Where is the logic in this? Mayor of Chicago Lori Lightfoot closed beaches but yet allows 30,000 people in Washington park to protest. How does this make sense? Shifter is right about one thing. Just ignore us if you can't handle reason.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: markjo on August 17, 2020, 11:29:44 AM
The problem with ignoring New Earth and Lackey is that they're prime examples of what's wrong with America.  If it was just them with those attitudes, then they could be safely ignored.  But they are the kind of people who put Trump in office and might keep him there if we aren't very careful.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Lorddave on August 17, 2020, 11:48:12 AM
You guys are the once who got no reason and no facts. You guys are not doctors or scientists yet you blindly follow the media about this retarded Corona virus. Stop coming up with fake numbers, I told that I investigated Emergency Rooms in April and found no Corona patients there. You can call me a liar I don't care but when in doubt I do my own investigations and conclude the facts. You complain to the admins because we do not push socialism and defend America from left wing psychopaths? Corona virus is not medical, it is purely political and the lackey explained there is no logic in what they say it does. Trump rally spreads Corona but BLM riots don't. Where is the logic in this? Mayor of Chicago Lori Lightfoot closed beaches but yet allows 30,000 people in Washington park to protest. How does this make sense? Shifter is right about one thing. Just ignore us if you can't handle reason.

O.o
No one said BLM protests don't spread Corona.  They're just more likely to wear masks (ya know, from the tear gas) than a Trump Ralley.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on August 17, 2020, 11:51:21 AM
Why are you guys helping them derail these threads? They say the same dumb shit over and over.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: New Earth on August 17, 2020, 12:01:52 PM
You guys are the once who got no reason and no facts. You guys are not doctors or scientists yet you blindly follow the media about this retarded Corona virus. Stop coming up with fake numbers, I told that I investigated Emergency Rooms in April and found no Corona patients there. You can call me a liar I don't care but when in doubt I do my own investigations and conclude the facts. You complain to the admins because we do not push socialism and defend America from left wing psychopaths? Corona virus is not medical, it is purely political and the lackey explained there is no logic in what they say it does. Trump rally spreads Corona but BLM riots don't. Where is the logic in this? Mayor of Chicago Lori Lightfoot closed beaches but yet allows 30,000 people in Washington park to protest. How does this make sense? Shifter is right about one thing. Just ignore us if you can't handle reason.

O.o
No one said BLM protests don't spread Corona.  They're just more likely to wear masks (ya know, from the tear gas) than a Trump Ralley.


Hahahah this is classic. The troll is obvious man and I hope you are trolling because if you don't then you have an IQ of an Amoeba. I'm sorry Space Cowgirl for getting off topic. Now back to the subject and all I gotta say is Fuck Joe Biden. lol
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Themightykabool on August 17, 2020, 01:16:40 PM
BLM vs antimaskers (aka MAGA morons)
guess who's wearing masks?



Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Themightykabool on August 17, 2020, 01:23:14 PM
covid is a hoax?
hospitals are empty because you've reviewed them?
this must be him - this what new earth sounds like in real life
skip to 2:58
 
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on August 17, 2020, 01:27:04 PM
We have threads about BLM
We have threads about the corone
We have threads about Trump

Can we have this thread more or less about Biden. The shit things he's said and done. The policies. His speeches/gaffes. His VP Kamala Harris etc

What you think BIDEN will be like as President. The economy, how you think he will handle the pandemic etc

Do you think he will steer America into a brighter future or will his party destroy America.... Somehow.

When people hang shit about Trump in Trumps thread, they are able to do so posting reasonable evidence to back up their claims. So far, for all the shit about Biden being said, I have yet to see one piece of evidence or reason that backs it up
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Themightykabool on August 17, 2020, 01:46:04 PM
you're right
i fell for it this time.
everytime new earth or lackless get one rebuttal they flip topic.


biden sucks because he's the old guard.
says the quiet part quiet.
and he'll die part way through his term and kamala will take over.
trump 2020 for reasons to further expose republic AND dems ties to big oil, auto, pharma, guns and not for the stupid reasons of lackless and new earth.
'merica hasn't finished taking its medicine yet, the fever has just started.




Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on August 17, 2020, 02:04:34 PM
Shifter is correct.  Let's all stay focused and discuss the looming threat that is Kamaden, biharris? 

Still workshopping a couple name for Biden/Harris.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Lorddave on August 17, 2020, 02:38:53 PM
Biden is gonna win cause Trump is scared shitless.  He's gonna do something bad just to win and its gonna backfire.  The post office is gonna be just the start.  When the old folks can't get mail medicine, he will know he dun fucked up.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on August 17, 2020, 03:00:26 PM
I wouldn't be so sure.  The gap is shrinking.  Trump supporters in general follow a familiar pattern of being shocked by his stupidity and then accepting it.  I sort of expect the polls to be much closer in October.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on August 17, 2020, 03:40:46 PM
Yeah, I think Crouton is right. It's too soon to tell wtf is going to happen. Also, it will be really easy to whip up hatred against Kamala Harris, they're going to make her the black Hilary and people will believe it.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on August 17, 2020, 03:50:27 PM
Yeah, I think Crouton is right. It's too soon to tell wtf is going to happen. Also, it will be really easy to whip up hatred against Kamala Harris, they're going to make her the black Hilary and people will believe it.

Someone check if she has a private email server!
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on August 17, 2020, 03:59:55 PM
My mother said to me "I don't like that Harris woman, I don't know why" and I was like oh no, here we go.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JJA on August 17, 2020, 04:07:16 PM
Yeah, I think Crouton is right. It's too soon to tell wtf is going to happen. Also, it will be really easy to whip up hatred against Kamala Harris, they're going to make her the black Hilary and people will believe it.

Republicans will whip up all the racists and women haters for her.  Already started with Trump starting up a new birther conspiracy, plus she's nasty.

This is going to get ugly fast.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on August 17, 2020, 04:08:58 PM
My mother said to me "I don't like that Harris woman, I don't know why" and I was like oh no, here we go.

Ahh democracy...

My mum says she doesn't like the way a particular candidate walks. Won't get her vote! Who cares about the politics!

Reading some of the stuff about Harris she doesn't seem like a warm hearted person but let's be real. It is impossible to survive and especially advance in politics by being a 'nice person'.

To some extent, you need to have a psychopathic trait. Otherwise you're left holding the door open for everyone else to get ahead while you are left behind.

Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: markjo on August 17, 2020, 07:34:06 PM
My mother said to me "I don't like that Harris woman, I don't know why" and I was like oh no, here we go.
Just fill out her mail in ballot for Biden and tell her that she voted for Trump.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on August 18, 2020, 06:40:26 AM
Gentlemen,,

We already have a topic for discussing mail in voting.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: CJ on August 19, 2020, 04:49:19 PM
I've seen Kamallah Harris during a lot of senate hearings.  She seems very smart and fierce.  I'd be happy with her as a vp pick.

The sad thing is if Biden picks a woman it will hurt his chances.  It won't get him many extra votes, but will cost him a bunch as the US is still full of a lot of misogynists. 

Kamala Harris certainly hurts Biden's chances.  Not because she is a woman, but because she is an extreme leftist that has destroyed her state.  During the primary elections, she stated that as soon as she becomes president she is signing an executive order to confiscate all guns.  She said that if people do not comply she will send the police door to door to get them.  She is also for defunding the police, so go figure.  There are way too many Americans that value their second amendment right and Biden has hurt his chances by saying he will take our guns as well.  I, for one, will not vote for anyone that wants to take away my right to bear arms.  The left wants to take away guns and cops.  How the hell are we supposed to defend ourselves.  I live in a rural community where police response time is close to an hour.  I am a single mother and need to be able to defend my home and property.  There is not one person in my community that does not own a gun and there is no crime because of it.  Aside from that, what are the people in the big cities going to do when cops are defunded and they have no one to protect them? The left wants to take our guns and the cops now.  I used to be a democrat and walked away when the left started threatening to take my guns.  Alot of democratic gun owners are doing the same.  It will cause Biden to lose.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on August 19, 2020, 05:04:14 PM
I've seen Kamallah Harris during a lot of senate hearings.  She seems very smart and fierce.  I'd be happy with her as a vp pick.

The sad thing is if Biden picks a woman it will hurt his chances.  It won't get him many extra votes, but will cost him a bunch as the US is still full of a lot of misogynists. 

Kamala Harris certainly hurts Biden's chances.  Not because she is a woman, but because she is an extreme leftist that has destroyed her state.  During the primary elections, she stated that as soon as she becomes president she is signing an executive order to confiscate all guns.  She said that if people do not comply she will send the police door to door to get them.  She is also for defunding the police, so go figure.  There are way too many Americans that value their second amendment right and Biden has hurt his chances by saying he will take our guns as well.  I, for one, will not vote for anyone that wants to take away my right to bear arms.  The left wants to take away guns and cops.  How the hell are we supposed to defend ourselves.  I live in a rural community where police response time is close to an hour.  I am a single mother and need to be able to defend my home and property.  There is not one person in my community that does not own a gun and there is no crime because of it.  Aside from that, what are the people in the big cities going to do when cops are defunded and they have no one to protect them? The left wants to take our guns and the cops now.  I used to be a democrat and walked away when the left started threatening to take my guns.  Alot of democratic gun owners are doing the same.  It will cause Biden to lose.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/15/fact-check-harris-didnt-say-shed-send-police-confiscate-guns/5585922002/

You can relax if you fact checked the BS.

Kamala Harris never said she'd take away all guns

The 'worst' she implied was that she'd like to have all ILLEGALLY OWNED' guns taken away. Have a legally permitted firearm? No worries

You really should fact check. Took all of 5 seconds to find your fear is unfounded and nonsense
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: CJ on August 19, 2020, 06:18:50 PM
I've seen Kamallah Harris during a lot of senate hearings.  She seems very smart and fierce.  I'd be happy with her as a vp pick.



https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/15/fact-check-harris-didnt-say-shed-send-police-confiscate-guns/5585922002/

You can relax if you fact checked the BS.

Kamala Harris never said she'd take away all guns

The 'worst' she implied was that she'd like to have all ILLEGALLY OWNED' guns taken away. Have a legally permitted firearm? No worries

You really should fact check. Took all of 5 seconds to find your fear is unfounded and nonsense

That may be what she said, but I do remember listening to an interview during the primaries where she opposed specific firearms.  Biden also thinks AR15 and shotguns should be banned.  Once they start banning certain firearms and placing restrictions, it is only a matter of time before they take them all.  If Kamala is so concerned about the illegal gun owners, then why is there a need to make tougher laws?  Isn’t it the law abiding citizens that obey laws, and there are already laws for the illegal gunowners, but they break the laws, regardless.  It makes no sense. 
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on August 19, 2020, 06:37:15 PM
For the love of the baby Jesus, learn how to quote.

I do not agree with all of Biden's gun control proposals, and I doubt they will go very far.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Themightykabool on August 19, 2020, 06:38:46 PM
When do legal firearm cariers snap and decide to do something legal?
When?
How do we stop them?
Are you, a legal licensed gun owner wling to subject yourself to monthly or quarterly monitoring and regular psych evaluations?
Willing to report major life changes like job firings or romantic partner issues and give phsych eval interviews?.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on August 19, 2020, 06:48:33 PM
Srsly, I know lots of legal firearm owners. They have stocked up on enough guns and ammo to fight off a zombie apocalypse.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on August 19, 2020, 06:56:53 PM
When do legal firearm cariers snap and decide to do something legal?
When?
How do we stop them?
Are you, a legal licensed gun owner wling to subject yourself to monthly or quarterly monitoring and regular psych evaluations?
Willing to report major life changes like job firings or romantic partner issues and give phsych eval interviews?.

A lot of people have that to maintain certain jobs. It's seriously not a big deal
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Stash on August 19, 2020, 06:58:00 PM
Srsly, I know lots of legal firearm owners. They have stocked up on enough guns and ammo to fight off a zombie apocalypse.

Me too. When AR-15's were threatened a few years back, my peeps bought them up. When the 50 cal Rhino gun was threatened, a few friends bought up some. And all the ammo they could find to go with it. We're way more armed than we were even 6 months ago.

The NRA is so very powerful. Their MO for decades has been to fight every bit of legislation against guns; background checks, assault rifles, bump-stocks, whatever. As one of my conservative "Hunter" friends put it, "If we let the gov't even remotely take anything away, even if it makes sense (see aforementioned), it's a doorway to take everything away..." I called him an idiot for that line of bullshit and we're still friends.

Yeah, gun-owners have zero to fear in this country regardless of who occupies the oval office.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Themightykabool on August 20, 2020, 03:35:22 AM
When do legal firearm cariers snap and decide to do something legal?
When?
How do we stop them?
Are you, a legal licensed gun owner wling to subject yourself to monthly or quarterly monitoring and regular psych evaluations?
Willing to report major life changes like job firings or romantic partner issues and give phsych eval interviews?.

A lot of people have that to maintain certain jobs. It's seriously not a big deal

Certain jobs sure.
But im talking about majority of who are anti big brother who dont like even background checks.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JerkFace on August 20, 2020, 08:07:28 PM
Just watching Joe Bidens acceptance speech,  very impressed,  he sounds like a winner.

I wasn't sure how he would come across,  but now I've no doubt he will get the votes he needs.

Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on August 20, 2020, 10:06:27 PM
A bit stiff at first but then he loosened up.  I fell asleep for part of it.  But that's a good thing.  It's time to make the presidency boring again.

I like the fireworks and tailgate party at the end.  Nice touch.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on August 20, 2020, 10:33:12 PM
Just watching Joe Bidens acceptance speech,  very impressed,  he sounds like a winner.

I wasn't sure how he would come across,  but now I've no doubt he will get the votes he needs.

The Trump campaigns error was to make everyone's expectation of Joe Biden to be so low that people end up being blown away by how much better Joe sounds than Trump
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on August 20, 2020, 11:00:14 PM
There was quite a bit of this convention that was just deeply weird.

I can't wait to see what the republican's convention looks like.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Stash on August 20, 2020, 11:00:20 PM
A bit stiff at first but then he loosened up.  I fell asleep for part of it.  But that's a good thing.  It's time to make the presidency boring again.

I like the fireworks and tailgate party at the end.  Nice touch.

(https://i.imgur.com/AiUDgYy.jpg)
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JerkFace on August 20, 2020, 11:32:19 PM
Trump scammers are on the case,  you too can join the 2020 Presidential Defense Task Force,  only the top supporters  ( like me, evidently)  are invited to give money to the scam.

Quote
BREAKING: JOE BIDEN IS OFFICIALLY THE DEMOCRAT NOMINEE FOR PRESIDENT

Rayzor,

Did you watch Joe Biden’s speech?

It was a complete disaster. He is the most incompetent Presidential Candidate in American history and is nothing but a puppet for SOCIALISM. Joe and Kamala would DESTROY our great Nation and everything President Trump and Vice President Pence have built.

The President recently launched the 2020 Presidential Defense Task Force and asked us to personally reach out to you because he noticed your name is MISSING from the roster.

This Task Force is made up of ONLY President Trump’s top supporters, like YOU, who are committed to FIGHTING BACK against the constant LIES and DECEPTIONS coming from the Radical Left.

President Trump set a MASSIVE $10 MILLION goal for today. There’s not much time left to help us CRUSH it, which is why we’ve been authorized to EXTEND YOUR PERSONAL 600%-MATCH OFFER!

We’re so close to hitting our goal, Rayzor. But, we won’t do it without you.

Please contribute ANY AMOUNT TONIGHT to become a member of the 2020 Presidential Defense Task Force and your gift will be instantly 600%-MATCHED. >>

The contrast between Joe Biden's campaign speech and Trump's money grubbing scams couldn't be more extreme.   
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Stash on August 20, 2020, 11:58:39 PM
Trump scammers are on the case,  you too can join the 2020 Presidential Defense Task Force,  only the top supporters  ( like me, evidently)  are invited to give money to the scam.

Quote
BREAKING: JOE BIDEN IS OFFICIALLY THE DEMOCRAT NOMINEE FOR PRESIDENT

Rayzor,

Did you watch Joe Biden’s speech?

It was a complete disaster. He is the most incompetent Presidential Candidate in American history and is nothing but a puppet for SOCIALISM. Joe and Kamala would DESTROY our great Nation and everything President Trump and Vice President Pence have built.

The President recently launched the 2020 Presidential Defense Task Force and asked us to personally reach out to you because he noticed your name is MISSING from the roster.

This Task Force is made up of ONLY President Trump’s top supporters, like YOU, who are committed to FIGHTING BACK against the constant LIES and DECEPTIONS coming from the Radical Left.

President Trump set a MASSIVE $10 MILLION goal for today. There’s not much time left to help us CRUSH it, which is why we’ve been authorized to EXTEND YOUR PERSONAL 600%-MATCH OFFER!

We’re so close to hitting our goal, Rayzor. But, we won’t do it without you.

Please contribute ANY AMOUNT TONIGHT to become a member of the 2020 Presidential Defense Task Force and your gift will be instantly 600%-MATCHED. >>

The contrast between Joe Biden's campaign speech and Trump's money grubbing scams couldn't be more extreme.

I think if you donate you also get a set of 4 whiskey glasses:

(https://i.imgur.com/SrW42NM.jpg)
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on August 21, 2020, 01:09:33 AM
Trump scammers are on the case,  you too can join the 2020 Presidential Defense Task Force,  only the top supporters  ( like me, evidently)  are invited to give money to the scam.

Quote
BREAKING: JOE BIDEN IS OFFICIALLY THE DEMOCRAT NOMINEE FOR PRESIDENT

Rayzor,

Did you watch Joe Biden’s speech?

It was a complete disaster. He is the most incompetent Presidential Candidate in American history and is nothing but a puppet for SOCIALISM. Joe and Kamala would DESTROY our great Nation and everything President Trump and Vice President Pence have built.

The President recently launched the 2020 Presidential Defense Task Force and asked us to personally reach out to you because he noticed your name is MISSING from the roster.

This Task Force is made up of ONLY President Trump’s top supporters, like YOU, who are committed to FIGHTING BACK against the constant LIES and DECEPTIONS coming from the Radical Left.

President Trump set a MASSIVE $10 MILLION goal for today. There’s not much time left to help us CRUSH it, which is why we’ve been authorized to EXTEND YOUR PERSONAL 600%-MATCH OFFER!

We’re so close to hitting our goal, Rayzor. But, we won’t do it without you.

Please contribute ANY AMOUNT TONIGHT to become a member of the 2020 Presidential Defense Task Force and your gift will be instantly 600%-MATCHED. >>

The contrast between Joe Biden's campaign speech and Trump's money grubbing scams couldn't be more extreme.

Holy shit!

You're a member of the Presidential Defense Task Force?

You need to change your title to that.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JerkFace on August 21, 2020, 01:22:22 AM
Trump scammers are on the case,  you too can join the 2020 Presidential Defense Task Force,  only the top supporters  ( like me, evidently)  are invited to give money to the scam.

Quote
BREAKING: JOE BIDEN IS OFFICIALLY THE DEMOCRAT NOMINEE FOR PRESIDENT

Rayzor,

Did you watch Joe Biden’s speech?

It was a complete disaster. He is the most incompetent Presidential Candidate in American history and is nothing but a puppet for SOCIALISM. Joe and Kamala would DESTROY our great Nation and everything President Trump and Vice President Pence have built.

The President recently launched the 2020 Presidential Defense Task Force and asked us to personally reach out to you because he noticed your name is MISSING from the roster.

This Task Force is made up of ONLY President Trump’s top supporters, like YOU, who are committed to FIGHTING BACK against the constant LIES and DECEPTIONS coming from the Radical Left.

President Trump set a MASSIVE $10 MILLION goal for today. There’s not much time left to help us CRUSH it, which is why we’ve been authorized to EXTEND YOUR PERSONAL 600%-MATCH OFFER!

We’re so close to hitting our goal, Rayzor. But, we won’t do it without you.

Please contribute ANY AMOUNT TONIGHT to become a member of the 2020 Presidential Defense Task Force and your gift will be instantly 600%-MATCHED. >>

The contrast between Joe Biden's campaign speech and Trump's money grubbing scams couldn't be more extreme.

Holy shit!

You're a member of the Presidential Defense Task Force?

You need to change your title to that.

Yep,  he's invited me personally to donate to his campaign,  I feel honoured and humbled to be granted such an honour as to provide funding for Brad Parscale's Ferrari.

I wonder if he would give me a ride to the supermarket?
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Lorddave on August 21, 2020, 01:44:47 AM
Trump has been collecting money since 2017.  I wonder if his campaign is legally spending that money....


Plot twist:
Trump hid his taxes because he's misusing campaign funds like crazy.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Themightykabool on August 21, 2020, 04:13:54 AM
"Twist"?
Worlds worst criminal
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on January 15, 2021, 11:13:53 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55356373

Quote
If confirmed, Congresswoman Deb Haaland will be the first indigenous person to lead the department, which also plays a key role in Native American affairs.

She will also be the first Native American in a cabinet secretary role.

Native rights groups and progressive Democrats had pushed for the New Mexico lawmaker's nomination in recent weeks.

"It would be an honour to move the Biden-Harris climate agenda forward, help repair the government to government relationship with Tribes that the Trump Administration has ruined, and serve as the first Native American cabinet secretary in our nation's history," Ms Haaland said in a statement quoted in the New York Times.

Ms Haaland, 60, is a member of the Laguna Pueblo tribe and made history as one of the first two Native American women ever elected to Congress in 2018.



Speaker of the House of Representatives Democrat Nancy Pelosi described Ms Haaland as one of the most respected members of Congress.

Fellow progressive Democratic Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez praised her nomination as "historic on multiple levels".

"She brings a commitment to climate and justice to the position, and the historic weight of having a Native woman, no less a progressive one, in charge of federal lands is enormous."

As secretary of the interior, Ms Haaland would play a key role in implementing the administration's environmental policies. These include a promise to move the federal government away from fossil fuels. Ms Haaland's state of New Mexico is a part of the US Climate Alliance and has already set its own bold climate goals.

Ms Haaland also comes with two years of experience on the House Natural Resources Committee.

In all, she would oversee 500 million acres of federal lands, 62 national parks and work with 1.9 million Indigenous Americans from 574 federally recognised tribes. The interior secretary also manages the Bureau of Trust Funds Administration, which handles Native American finances, and Bureau of Indian Education.

Her appointment would also have real cultural significance, as the interior department has historically clashed with Native American groups. For instance, many of the nation's national parks, like Yellowstone, were cut out of Indigenous land by the US government.

More than 120 tribal leaders joined a petition from the Lakota People's Law Action Center to back Ms Haaland. In addition, celebrities and environmental activists also called for the president-elect to choose her.

A Change.org petition for Ms Haaland's selection received nearly 40,000 signatures ahead of Thursday's news.

Ms Haaland's nomination means that the Democratic majority in the lower chamber of Congress has become even slimmer - just three seats until replacements for Ms Haaland and other cabinet appointees are elected.


Top stuff, It's about time Native Americans actually had real voice and representation.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Jamie on January 15, 2021, 12:25:11 PM
Now we shift from Trumpgret to Joegret.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Denspressure on January 19, 2021, 03:12:13 AM
 Note that a lot of people that were part of the war-mongering Bush and Obama administration are in the Biden one.

Makes me worry that more wars will be started again, and we will once again be on the brink of nuclear war, such as with North Korea.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on January 19, 2021, 03:33:55 AM
Note that a lot of people that were part of the war-mongering Bush and Obama administration are in the Biden one.

Makes me worry that more wars will be started again, and we will once again be on the brink of nuclear war, such as with North Korea.

Yeah, because Trump handed Iran so well. I'm sure Iran isn't bolstering their nuclear ambition ::) Honestly that was one of the most stupidest and dangerous things he's done. All because for being anti Obama and trying to undo any legacy of his. What a dick

He's also undermined and dismissed and often ignored intelligence briefings instead sitting cozy with Putin saying 'I believe him'

And Trump got played by North Korea. Nothing there has changed, except maybe bolstering and propping up Kim Jong Un
(https://www.mercurynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/salute.png)

Keep in mind his stupid rhetoric and off the cuff demeanor brought you guys within a hairs breadth of nuclear war before someone in his admin told him to STFU

Remember how Fox news absolutely lost their shit when Obama saluted troops walking off a helicopter with a coffee cup in hand. Or wore a tan suit one day lol. Or because he put Dijon mustard on his food.

I suggest you stop listening to what Trump says and read more objectively
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54060026

Trump has also started an incredibly costly and doomed to fail trade war with China. His very undiplomatic remarks about China is only increasing the angst and emboldening China to do more awful things. China is indeed an issue, but it requires delicate handling and understanding how they think. Something Trump is incapable of
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Unconvinced on January 19, 2021, 04:25:47 AM
Note that a lot of people that were part of the war-mongering Bush and Obama administration are in the Biden one.

Makes me worry that more wars will be started again, and we will once again be on the brink of nuclear war, such as with North Korea.

Yeah, because Trump handed Iran so well. I'm sure Iran isn't bolstering their nuclear ambition ::) Honestly that was one of the most stupidest and dangerous things he's done. All because for being anti Obama and trying to undo any legacy of his. What a dick

He's also undermined and dismissed and often ignored intelligence briefings instead sitting cozy with Putin saying 'I believe him'

And Trump got played by North Korea. Nothing there has changed, except maybe bolstering and propping up Kim Jong Un
(https://www.mercurynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/salute.png)

Keep in mind his stupid rhetoric and off the cuff demeanor brought you guys within a hairs breadth of nuclear war before someone in his admin told him to STFU

Remember how Fox news absolutely lost their shit when Obama saluted troops walking off a helicopter with a coffee cup in hand. Or wore a tan suit one day lol. Or because he put Dijon mustard on his food.

I suggest you stop listening to what Trump says and read more objectively
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54060026

Trump has also started an incredibly costly and doomed to fail trade war with China. His very undiplomatic remarks about China is only increasing the angst and emboldening China to do more awful things. China is indeed an issue, but it requires delicate handling and understanding how they think. Something Trump is incapable of

Trump also withdrew the US from the Intermediate Range Nuclear Forces treaty, signed by Reagan and Gorbachev to reign in the insane nuclear arms race.  And Open Skies which allowed countries to keep an eye on what the other side is up to.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on January 19, 2021, 08:53:28 AM
Note that a lot of people that were part of the war-mongering Bush and Obama administration are in the Biden one.

Makes me worry that more wars will be started again, and we will once again be on the brink of nuclear war, such as with North Korea.

Wars are extremely unpopular with democrats and republicans currently.  Biden would be aware of that.  We still have the military industrial complex to worry about but they're more in bed with republicans than democrats.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: sokarul on January 19, 2021, 05:13:09 PM
Anyone else take tomorrow off to watch everything?
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: markjo on January 19, 2021, 05:24:57 PM
Nah.  Although I might take a little time to watch the civil war.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Lorddave on January 19, 2021, 09:39:03 PM
I may watch it online.  If I've time.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on January 20, 2021, 07:23:25 AM
Apparently Joe Biden has a Peloton bike, which goes against his hardscrabble Scranton roots (ffs he's a millionaire), and also could be a security risk. I'm linking to the Mediaite article because it's not behind a paywall https://www.mediaite.com/news/outrage-grows-over-deepening-scandal-around-joe-bidens-fancy-peloton-exercise-bike/  this article links to a bunch of the other articles.

Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Stash on January 20, 2021, 07:29:51 AM
Apparently Joe Biden has a Peloton bike, which goes against his hardscrabble Scranton roots (ffs he's a millionaire), and also could be a security risk. I'm linking to the Mediaite article because it's not behind a paywall https://www.mediaite.com/news/outrage-grows-over-deepening-scandal-around-joe-bidens-fancy-peloton-exercise-bike/  this article links to a bunch of the other articles.

These days his Ray Ban Aviators are probably a security risk.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on January 20, 2021, 07:29:53 AM
To be honest these smart devices are a fairly high security risk.  Security just isn't something that customers demand in these things so companies don't put money into it.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: boydster on January 20, 2021, 07:36:59 AM
To be honest these smart devices are a fairly high security risk.  Security just isn't something that customers demand in these things so companies don't put money into it.
True that. Even with things that customer's DO demand security in, things like the Solarwinds debacle happen. He probably shouldn't have a Peloton in the White House any more than he should have a bunch of Echo Dots to turn on the lights and play his favorite songs on Spotify.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on January 20, 2021, 07:53:00 AM
I'm watching the inauguration on Fox News.  It's a little weird.  All this happy music in the background with Fox News randomly sniping Biden with attacks on his agenda.

I started with CNN but it was a non stop blowjob fest.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on January 20, 2021, 08:05:13 AM
And #notmypresident is trending on Twitter. lol
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: boydster on January 20, 2021, 08:09:07 AM
I've got it on CBSN, but I haven't been listening for the most part - just watching it in the background. Turning the volume up now though, it looks like it's getting active there. All the former presidents that are going to show up have arrived, the VP is there. Pretty sure I saw the Chief Justice a few minutes ago too.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on January 20, 2021, 08:13:46 AM
Every president except one.  Well two if you count Carter.  Apparently he skipped out on account of Covid.  That or he's a secret believe in #StopTheSteal.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JJA on January 20, 2021, 08:24:44 AM
Every president except one.  Well two if you count Carter.  Apparently he skipped out on account of Covid.  That or he's a secret believe in #StopTheSteal.

Trump is such a sore loser.  What a whiny bitch.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on January 20, 2021, 08:38:10 AM
Lady Gaga is now singing our national anthem.  I'm always disappointed when she isn't wearing a meat dress.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on January 20, 2021, 08:39:17 AM
She really sang it.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: markjo on January 20, 2021, 10:22:42 AM
Did I miss the assassination attempt/civil war or is there still time?
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Lorddave on January 20, 2021, 10:27:23 AM
Did I miss the assassination attempt/civil war or is there still time?

Everyone is waiting for Trump to tweet the signal.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Jamie on January 20, 2021, 12:10:51 PM
Nah, we're good.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Stash on January 20, 2021, 03:02:39 PM
I'm not sure where to put this, but because Biden remarked on "truth" a few times during his inaugural address today, it seems sort of fitting. Amanpour interviewed Shep Smith, 23 year veteran of Fox News, about his somewhat dramatic departure last year and asked about his experience at his former employer. It's a 10 minute interview, but I think well worth a watch - It sort of frames the disparity between opinion and news and places the onus back on the consumer of news to decide on their own. Which I totally agree with. It's all sort of straight-up obviousness, but it's interesting to hear Shep talking about being on the inside of the Murdoch machine. And where things became untenable.

Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on January 20, 2021, 03:57:30 PM
I watched part of that last night. I know he's right about Fox turning to the fight, they do it every time a Dem is in office. The viewers they've lost will come back.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Stash on January 20, 2021, 04:23:27 PM
I watched part of that last night. I know he's right about Fox turning to the fight, they do it every time a Dem is in office. The viewers they've lost will come back.

Yeah, you're right, the Murdochs are no dummies. They know the long con. They will out-money, out-propagandize, out-opinion with stars (Hannity, Carlson, Ingrahm, etc.) & outlast the NewsMax's/OAN's of the world. Under the guise of "Fair & Balanced". A misstep to try and be a news org and scoop calling Arizona before other outlets did. Lesson learned on their part. It's back to "Biden's Peloton is a national security threat, beware the China connections" before anyone can take a breath from today's proceedings.

I always wonder how Chris Wallace still hangs on. Today, 'Fox News Sunday' anchor Chris Wallace calls President Joe Biden's inauguration address 'part sermon, part pep talk..."was the 'best inaugural address I've ever heard'"
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on January 20, 2021, 04:26:07 PM
I'm watching Biden's first press briefing.  It's so unpresidential.  I guess it's supposed to be daily now.  They're just asking her questions and she's answering them.  The hell is that about? 

Biden is supposed to do something ridiculous like surrendering North Dakota to Canada then the press asks the press secretary why in god's name he'd do that.  Then the press secretary is supposed to attack them as communists.  And why is there so much quiet?  Why isn't there a helicopter in the background?

This is not an America that I recognize.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Stash on January 20, 2021, 04:32:33 PM
I'm watching Biden's first press briefing.  It's so unpresidential.  I guess it's supposed to be daily now.  They're just asking her questions and she's answering them.  The hell is that about? 

Biden is supposed to do something ridiculous like surrendering North Dakota to Canada then the press asks the press secretary why in god's name he'd do that.  Then the press secretary is supposed to attack them as communists.  And why is there so much quiet?  Why isn't there a helicopter in the background?

This is not an America that I recognize.

WTF! We're supposed to go months without a briefing. And then get a Spicer, a Huckabee-Sanders, a Kayleigh, for god's sake, a Scaramucci! What hath we wrought?!?
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on January 20, 2021, 04:32:52 PM
I always wonder how Chris Wallace still hangs on. Today, 'Fox News Sunday' anchor Chris Wallace calls President Joe Biden's inauguration address 'part sermon, part pep talk..."was the 'best inaugural address I've ever heard'"

Chris Wallace is trending on Twitter right now. The Trumpers are pissed that he liked Biden's speech.


I will have to watch Biden's press conference. Maybe it's on youtube.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on January 20, 2021, 04:35:56 PM
I always wonder how Chris Wallace still hangs on. Today, 'Fox News Sunday' anchor Chris Wallace calls President Joe Biden's inauguration address 'part sermon, part pep talk..."was the 'best inaugural address I've ever heard'"

Chris Wallace is trending on Twitter right now. The Trumpers are pissed that he liked Biden's speech.


I will have to watch Biden's press conference. Maybe it's on youtube.

It's so... normal.

I miss the Mooch.  Among Trump's 6 or 8 press secretaries he was my favorite.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on January 21, 2021, 02:16:48 AM
I miss the Mooch.
He's not really gone anywhere, he seems to be interviewed several times a week.  It was a cameo performance in The Whitehouse Reality TV show, but it was a fan favourite.

Quote
  Among Trump's 6 or 8 press secretaries he was my favorite.
He's the only one I quite liked.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Jamie on January 21, 2021, 06:03:14 AM
I'm watching Biden's first press briefing.  It's so unpresidential.  I guess it's supposed to be daily now.  They're just asking her questions and she's answering them.  The hell is that about? 

Biden is supposed to do something ridiculous like surrendering North Dakota to Canada then the press asks the press secretary why in god's name he'd do that.  Then the press secretary is supposed to attack them as communists.  And why is there so much quiet?  Why isn't there a helicopter in the background?

This is not an America that I recognize.

Eh, I could get used to this.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on January 22, 2021, 11:14:31 AM
Why is it that President Biden refuses to invoke the defense production act to create more Bernie sanders mittens!

Impeach now!
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Unconvinced on January 22, 2021, 12:29:11 PM
I always wonder how Chris Wallace still hangs on. Today, 'Fox News Sunday' anchor Chris Wallace calls President Joe Biden's inauguration address 'part sermon, part pep talk..."was the 'best inaugural address I've ever heard'"

Chris Wallace is trending on Twitter right now. The Trumpers are pissed that he liked Biden's speech.


I will have to watch Biden's press conference. Maybe it's on youtube.

It's so... normal.

I miss the Mooch.  Among Trump's 6 or 8 press secretaries he was my favorite.

If it’s any consolation, apparently Sean Spicer has applied to join the White House Correspondents Association.  So you can look forward to him asking about the pressing issues on behalf of bonkers right wing conspiracy clowns, Newsmax.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/19/sean-spicer-trump-white-house-press-corps

To be fair, I think Trump did actually have a bigger inauguration crowd than Biden.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: markjo on January 22, 2021, 12:40:34 PM
To be fair, I think Trump did actually have a bigger inauguration crowd than Biden.
I'm pretty sure Biden had more flags.
https://www.npr.org/sections/inauguration-day-live-updates/2021/01/20/958726800/nearly-200-000-flags-on-national-mall-represent-those-who-cannot-attend-inaugura
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on January 22, 2021, 04:24:00 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/22/fashion/mens-style/rolex-biden.html

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Is That a Rolex on Biden’s Wrist?

Recent presidents not named Trump have tended to wear Everyman timepieces such as Timex and Shinola.

OMG these people are ridiculous. They're going to criticize him for all the dumb shit and ignore the important shit. This way they can claim to be unbiased.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on January 22, 2021, 04:47:49 PM
The word that comes to mind is kayfabe.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on January 22, 2021, 04:55:56 PM
His choice in timepieces. Very silly.

For some strange reason no one is talking about this new Covid relief bill being delayed until March or later. Wtf democrats!
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JJA on January 22, 2021, 05:19:08 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/22/fashion/mens-style/rolex-biden.html

Quote
Is That a Rolex on Biden’s Wrist?

Recent presidents not named Trump have tended to wear Everyman timepieces such as Timex and Shinola.

OMG these people are ridiculous. They're going to criticize him for all the dumb shit and ignore the important shit. This way they can claim to be unbiased.

To be fair, that's the fashion department. It's kind of their job to report on unimportant stuff. :)

What's the important stuff that's being ignored?
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on January 22, 2021, 05:24:59 PM
That is isn't only conservatives objecting to his executive orders.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JJA on January 22, 2021, 05:38:16 PM
That is isn't only conservatives objecting to his executive orders.

I've seen news articles critical of his spamming executive orders too quickly, and by Democrats too.  I don't think it's being ignored.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on January 22, 2021, 06:11:13 PM
Are they critical of the contents of the executive orders, or just how fast he's cranking them out?
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on January 22, 2021, 06:37:30 PM
If he wasn't spamming the EOs they would be bitching 'sleepy Joe isn't doing his job'. It really doesn't matter what he does or doesn't do, the MSM will complain because that gets the clicks

I bet if Joe never went golfing they'd probably find a way to bitch about that too. Screw the media.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on January 22, 2021, 06:59:31 PM
As I understand it signing a bunch of EOs is par for the course for each new president.  I haven't read through all of them but I like a lot of what I hear.

My fear for the democratic party is that they do practically nothing but virtue signal for the next 2 years and give the country right back to the maga lunatics.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: markjo on January 22, 2021, 07:44:01 PM
I bet if Joe never went golfing they'd probably find a way to bitch about that too.
I wonder what the MSM would say if Biden ever played golf at a Trump owned course.  :o
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on January 23, 2021, 06:31:29 PM
Fox News: Biden administration defends removing Churchill statue from Oval Office.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-administration-defends-removing-churchill-statue-from-oval-office?cmpid=prn_newsstand

https://news.yahoo.com/fox-news-pushes-conspiracy-theory-190546960.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAE0EbRRKk0_6JKxhdxN3ZgIIftbdMbyeZwYkcTGoQerqtGqJVaLfhzj94gfJ1wL5RDrxC2-RFxUWth3AyDzteeIVR3FFwpJDWMpW1hKXQo5SmiyHg0Plb-w76BKreMr-uu51-87GktJNNWbX3W5YCWw9kzm-shQwibo2QfXKEMnB

Fox News is bringing back the classics. Liberal concentration camps and some stupid nonsense about a statue of Winston Churchill.

I assume next week we'll be hearing about how Biden is a Kenyan.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Stash on January 23, 2021, 06:45:17 PM
Fox News: Biden administration defends removing Churchill statue from Oval Office.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-administration-defends-removing-churchill-statue-from-oval-office?cmpid=prn_newsstand

https://news.yahoo.com/fox-news-pushes-conspiracy-theory-190546960.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAE0EbRRKk0_6JKxhdxN3ZgIIftbdMbyeZwYkcTGoQerqtGqJVaLfhzj94gfJ1wL5RDrxC2-RFxUWth3AyDzteeIVR3FFwpJDWMpW1hKXQo5SmiyHg0Plb-w76BKreMr-uu51-87GktJNNWbX3W5YCWw9kzm-shQwibo2QfXKEMnB

Fox News is bringing back the classics. Liberal concentration camps and some stupid nonsense about a statue of Winston Churchill.

I assume next week we'll be hearing about how Biden is a Kenyan.

Seems like things are getting back to normal. A Churchhill bust gets moved and Fox turns it into an international incident. Just like the good old days.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JJA on January 23, 2021, 07:03:44 PM
Fox News: Biden administration defends removing Churchill statue from Oval Office.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-administration-defends-removing-churchill-statue-from-oval-office?cmpid=prn_newsstand

https://news.yahoo.com/fox-news-pushes-conspiracy-theory-190546960.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAE0EbRRKk0_6JKxhdxN3ZgIIftbdMbyeZwYkcTGoQerqtGqJVaLfhzj94gfJ1wL5RDrxC2-RFxUWth3AyDzteeIVR3FFwpJDWMpW1hKXQo5SmiyHg0Plb-w76BKreMr-uu51-87GktJNNWbX3W5YCWw9kzm-shQwibo2QfXKEMnB

Fox News is bringing back the classics. Liberal concentration camps and some stupid nonsense about a statue of Winston Churchill.

I assume next week we'll be hearing about how Biden is a Kenyan.

Seems like things are getting back to normal. A Churchhill bust gets moved and Fox turns it into an international incident. Just like the good old days.

Wow. Aren't we lucky Trump didn't insult any of our allies at all in his four years.

Moving a statue. The horror. The horror....
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Lorddave on January 24, 2021, 01:36:54 AM
Fox News: Biden administration defends removing Churchill statue from Oval Office.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-administration-defends-removing-churchill-statue-from-oval-office?cmpid=prn_newsstand

https://news.yahoo.com/fox-news-pushes-conspiracy-theory-190546960.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAE0EbRRKk0_6JKxhdxN3ZgIIftbdMbyeZwYkcTGoQerqtGqJVaLfhzj94gfJ1wL5RDrxC2-RFxUWth3AyDzteeIVR3FFwpJDWMpW1hKXQo5SmiyHg0Plb-w76BKreMr-uu51-87GktJNNWbX3W5YCWw9kzm-shQwibo2QfXKEMnB

Fox News is bringing back the classics. Liberal concentration camps and some stupid nonsense about a statue of Winston Churchill.

I assume next week we'll be hearing about how Biden is a Kenyan.

Yep, back to normal.  I'm sure everyone is releived.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on January 24, 2021, 07:18:56 AM
I wonder wtf is going on in Syria. Twitter thinks we've sent more troops, I see claims that Israel has launched a strike against Syria, and I see some saying it's all a conspiracy theory. No mainstream media is reporting on any of it as far as I can tell.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on January 24, 2021, 09:30:21 AM
The only thing I've heard so far is the possibility of raising troop levels in some countries where we already have some stationed.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on January 24, 2021, 10:20:26 AM


Hmm, should be interesting indeed lol
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on January 24, 2021, 10:56:08 AM
Biden pissed off the Ute tribe https://utahpolicy.com/index.php/features/featured-articles/26116-ute-indian-tribe-of-the-uintah-and-ouray-reservation-oppose-biden-s-leasing-permitting-ban
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Lorddave on January 24, 2021, 11:32:53 AM


Hmm, should be interesting indeed lol

Yup.  They already started too.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JJA on January 24, 2021, 11:42:06 AM
Biden pissed off the Ute tribe https://utahpolicy.com/index.php/features/featured-articles/26116-ute-indian-tribe-of-the-uintah-and-ouray-reservation-oppose-biden-s-leasing-permitting-ban

This will be interesting. Will the Biden administration work out a compromise? Or will the tribe have to sue in court?

At least it won't end with Biden calling them Pocahontas and saying 'those dirty injuns should go back wo where they came from'.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on January 24, 2021, 12:41:54 PM
I have a feeling a lot of his executive orders will end up in court.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JJA on January 24, 2021, 12:55:45 PM
I have a feeling a lot of his executive orders will end up in court.

That's what the courts are for. If and of Biden's are unconstitutional then they can, and should be struck down. I'd be happy if the powers of the Presidency were reigned in, they have been expanding freely for far too long and we have now been shown that we can't trust Presidents to be even remotely sane anymore.

We came far too close to turning into a dictatorship than I would like to believe was possible.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on January 24, 2021, 02:42:23 PM
He should just declare a national emergency and redirect money from the military towards vaccine production. 

It worked for Trump.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on January 24, 2021, 03:36:26 PM
Has anyone read through the Domestic Terrorism Prevention Act? https://schneider.house.gov/sites/schneider.house.gov/files/DTPA%20of%202021.pdf
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: boydster on January 24, 2021, 03:44:14 PM
I just clicked and started perusing. Looks like it has a general interest in detailing domestic terror threats and concerns, with a lot of additional specificity for white supremacists and neo-Nazis, and especially those that make it into a law enforcement agency of some sort.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on January 24, 2021, 04:15:56 PM
Well they do need to find a way to keep them out of law enforcement. I just hope they don't add more surveillance like the Patriot Act.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: boydster on January 24, 2021, 04:23:20 PM
Well they do need to find a way to keep them out of law enforcement. I just hope they don't add more surveillance like the Patriot Act.
Agreed. Funny thing about the Patriot Act. They very recently (like, 2020 recently) had a chance to get rid of some provisions in it that allowed them to do things like collect your internet search history without a warrant. It had bipartisan sponsorship. And it was unceremoniously voted down, again in bipartisan fashion. Fucking infuriating. When it comes to bills that they don't think anyone is really paying attention to, these assholes in congress really don't care to do much of anything.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on January 24, 2021, 05:08:00 PM
Well they do need to find a way to keep them out of law enforcement. I just hope they don't add more surveillance like the Patriot Act.

The good news is that the "squad" is firmly against it.  Hopefully anyone attempting such a thing will be in the minority.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on January 24, 2021, 05:19:56 PM
The factions in the Democrats are so weird.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Stash on January 24, 2021, 05:27:53 PM
The factions in the Democrats are so weird.

The factions in general are so weird.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on January 24, 2021, 10:52:48 PM
Its just pathetic how the US becomes more and more like china and north korea by implementing more and more surveilance. 'Terrorism' fucking LMAO! Daily covid deaths are higher than a decade of terrorism deaths yet y'all dont give a fuck. Truely sad to watch.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Bom Tishop on January 24, 2021, 11:03:07 PM
I already started a "Why do you support Joe Biden" thread and it got pushed way down so this thread could be started with "I don't" removed as an option. On purpose or not, who knows, just interesting.


Though it's already started, dipshit is passing a bunch of executive orders that are terrible. One of many that is despicable is the transgender one for schools. Gotta let trans girls play on the girls teams, otherwise you just might lose your funding.

Combine shit like that, identity politics, racial politics, free money for everyone and don't forget starting that good ole war machine back up!!

Couldn't just deal with orange man tweeting dumb shit?? You could just not read... He was going to start no wars and he did well for the economy (even many MSM sources said he did well for the economy, of course after he was gone)... Oh well...

Least the MSM is happy and all the late night talk show hosts....you would think Biden is God Himself now, but the MSM isn't biased or liberal they tell me. That penguin does look like a ferret
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on January 25, 2021, 01:17:03 AM
I already started a "Why do you support Joe Biden" thread and it got pushed way down so this thread could be started with "I don't" removed as an option. On purpose or not, who knows, just interesting.


Though it's already started, dipshit is passing a bunch of executive orders that are terrible. One of many that is despicable is the transgender one for schools. Gotta let trans girls play on the girls teams, otherwise you just might lose your funding.

Combine shit like that, identity politics, racial politics, free money for everyone and don't forget starting that good ole war machine back up!!

Couldn't just deal with orange man tweeting dumb shit?? You could just not read... He was going to start no wars and he did well for the economy (even many MSM sources said he did well for the economy, of course after he was gone)... Oh well...

Least the MSM is happy and all the late night talk show hosts....you would think Biden is God Himself now, but the MSM isn't biased or liberal they tell me. That penguin does look like a ferret

This thread started before yours actually but got pushed down. After he became president elect I searched for it and bumped it back up.

The late night show hosts are putting on an act
They can't be that happy... Trump was the gift that kept on giving. They may be made redundant now as politics grinds to a boring halt
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on January 25, 2021, 01:49:32 AM
I already started a "Why do you support Joe Biden" thread and it got pushed way down so this thread could be started with "I don't" removed as an option. On purpose or not, who knows, just interesting.


Though it's already started, dipshit is passing a bunch of executive orders that are terrible. One of many that is despicable is the transgender one for schools. Gotta let trans girls play on the girls teams, otherwise you just might lose your funding.

Combine shit like that, identity politics, racial politics, free money for everyone and don't forget starting that good ole war machine back up!!

Couldn't just deal with orange man tweeting dumb shit?? You could just not read... He was going to start no wars and he did well for the economy (even many MSM sources said he did well for the economy, of course after he was gone)... Oh well...

Least the MSM is happy and all the late night talk show hosts....you would think Biden is God Himself now, but the MSM isn't biased or liberal they tell me. That penguin does look like a ferret

Maybe if you asked Shifter nicely then he'll add the option.

I'm looking at his list of EOs,

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/all-of-president-bidens-key-executive-orders-in-one-chart-2021-01-21

1,2,3 I think these are good things.
4 is debatable.  I'd like them to find a way to do it that doesn't bisect a native american city.
5,6 are good.  I think they're much needed for pandemic relief.
7 the 1776 Commission was a work of propaganda so good riddance.  "initiative to advance racial equity" is so vague that I can't judge it.
8,9,10 these seem like no brainers
11  I'm assuming this is the transgendered soccer team one?  I'd have to look into this more.  I don't like the idea of girls teams to accept transgendered boys.
12,13,14,15 seem fine
16,17 is vague.  I don't know what it means.
18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25 covid stuff, seems like good things to me.
26 I'm not so sure about this.  Sounds like virtue signalling.
27,28,29  These seems like good things too.

Which ones other than the transgender one do you object to?
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Bom Tishop on January 25, 2021, 01:58:31 AM
I already started a "Why do you support Joe Biden" thread and it got pushed way down so this thread could be started with "I don't" removed as an option. On purpose or not, who knows, just interesting.


Though it's already started, dipshit is passing a bunch of executive orders that are terrible. One of many that is despicable is the transgender one for schools. Gotta let trans girls play on the girls teams, otherwise you just might lose your funding.

Combine shit like that, identity politics, racial politics, free money for everyone and don't forget starting that good ole war machine back up!!

Couldn't just deal with orange man tweeting dumb shit?? You could just not read... He was going to start no wars and he did well for the economy (even many MSM sources said he did well for the economy, of course after he was gone)... Oh well...

Least the MSM is happy and all the late night talk show hosts....you would think Biden is God Himself now, but the MSM isn't biased or liberal they tell me. That penguin does look like a ferret

Maybe if you asked Shifter nicely then he'll add the option.

I'm looking at his list of EOs,

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/all-of-president-bidens-key-executive-orders-in-one-chart-2021-01-21

1,2,3 I think these are good things.
4 is debatable.  I'd like them to find a way to do it that doesn't bisect a native american city.
5,6 are good.  I think they're much needed for pandemic relief.
7 the 1776 Commission was a work of propaganda so good riddance.  "initiative to advance racial equity" is so vague that I can't judge it.
8,9,10 these seem like no brainers
11  I'm assuming this is the transgendered soccer team one?  I'd have to look into this more.  I don't like the idea of girls teams to accept transgendered boys.
12,13,14,15 seem fine
16,17 is vague.  I don't know what it means.
18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25 covid stuff, seems like good things to me.
26 I'm not so sure about this.  Sounds like virtue signalling.
27,28,29  These seems like good things too.

Which ones other than the transgender one do you object to?

Hmm, I would respond but I think we may be seeing different styled page. I am on mobile, and I have no numbers visible, just counting them down, they don't match. Example, number 11 is about the Muslim travel ban
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on January 25, 2021, 01:59:54 AM
They aren't numbered for me either.  My count might be a little off.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JJA on January 25, 2021, 04:54:46 AM
1 Re-engage with World Health Organization - End withdrawal process   
2 Create position of COVID-19 response coordinator    - Executive order
3 Rejoin Paris climate agreement - Sign an "instrument"
4 Revoke permit for Keystone XL pipeline, pause energy leasing in ANWR    - Executive order
5 Ask agencies to extend eviction/foreclosure moratoriums   - Request   
6 Ask Education Dept. to extend student-loan pause - Request
7 Launch an initiative to advance racial equity, end "1776 Commission"    - Executive order
8 Revoke order that aims to exclude undocumented immigrants from census    - Executive order
9 Preserve/fortify DACA, which helps "Dreamers"    - Memorandum
10 Require masks/distancing on all federal property and by federal workers    - Executive order
11 Reverse travel ban targeting primarily Muslim countries    - Executive order
12 Stop construction of border wall - Proclamation
13 Combat discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, gender identity    - Executive order
14 Require ethics pledge for executive-branch personnel    - Executive order
15 Modernize and improve regulatory review    - Memorandum
16 End "harsh and extreme immigration enforcement"    - Executive order
17 Extend protection from deportation for Liberians in U.S.    - Memorandum
18 Revoke certain executive orders concerning federal regulation  - Executive order
19 Freeze any new or pending regulations    - Memorandum
20 Fill supply shortfalls in fight vs. COVID-19 with Defense Production Act, other measures - Executive order
21 Increase FEMA reimbursement to states for National Guard, PPE    - Memorandum
22 Establish “COVID-19 Pandemic Testing Board,” expand testing    - Executive order
23 Bolster access to COVID-19 treatments and clinical care    - Executive order
24 Improve collection/analysis of COVID-related data    - Executive order
25 Mount vaccination campaign amid goals such as 100 million shots in 100 days    - Directive
26 Provide guidance on safely reopening schools    - Executive order
27 OSHA guidance for keeping workers safe from COVID-19    - Executive order
28 Require face masks at airports, other modes of transportation    - Executive order
29 Establish a “COVID-19 Health Equity Task Force”    - Executive order
30 Support international response to COVID-19, “restore U.S. global leadership”    - Directive
31 Ask agencies to boost food aid, improve delivery of stimulus checks    - Executive order
32 Restore collective bargaining power for federal workers    - Executive order

Handy reference.

As for number 13, saying it's only about letting transgender male children play with girls is vastly over simplifying it to the point of being deceitful.  It's about discrimination in a variety of ways, many of which I agree with, some which I do not. I don't like the sports part either, but it's a no-win situation really. No matter how it's decided, some people will be unhappy, and some people will be VERY unhappy.

I also see a lot that I like in here.  If you have hyper focus on transgenders in sports, then I guess you might miss the rest.  Most people frankly don't really care.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Themightykabool on January 25, 2021, 06:12:08 AM
Wow
Picked one out of 28or so.
Nice cherry picking.
Keep hand waving there, bom
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: markjo on January 25, 2021, 06:39:23 AM
Its just pathetic how the US becomes more and more like china and north korea by implementing more and more surveilance.
Have you been to England lately?
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Stash on January 25, 2021, 06:48:56 AM
I didn't know EO's had been kicking around this long. But they go way back, to the beginning, in fact. From Carter on:

39   Jimmy Carter   Democratic       320   
40   Ronald Reagan   Republican       381   
41   George H. W. Bush   Republica.     166   
42   Bill Clinton   Democratic               364   
43   George W. Bush   Republican       291   
44   Barack Obama   Democratic       276   
45   Donald Trump   Republican       220   
46   Joe Biden   Democratic                 19 (Maybe up to 28 as of today)
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on January 25, 2021, 07:12:45 AM
Wow
Picked one out of 28or so.
Nice cherry picking.
Keep hand waving there, bom

It is the most damaging one. It will force self ID, which means anyone can say they identify as the opposite sex, and any institution that doesn't comply will have federal funding cut off. The people who will benefit the most are pharmaceutical companies, and plastic surgeons. Lifelong expensive medical requirements for anyone who goes very far into medical transition, even if they detransition because female reproduction organs atrophy after a few years on testosterone (and of course, you can't regrow a uterus after a hysterectomy).  Most do not object to the anti discrimination parts of this executive order. Everyone deserves fair housing, employment, access to medical care, and to live free from violence.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on January 25, 2021, 07:20:55 AM
I guess we could storm the capitol and ask for Trumps patriot party to be installed? That's how it's done in America these days. The bar has been set

And remember what you've always been taught

If at first you don't succeed, try and try again.

Actually don't do that. That's how cavemen settle disputes. You guys are American... Oh wait...

Perhaps if enough people want to chop their dicks off they can make a 3rd 'trans' games.

Or seriously, just do Boms idea and make a vagina league. Do that

Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on January 25, 2021, 07:28:45 AM
A vagina league would be transphobic, since anything that doesn't include the very feminine penis is transphobic. Shit, Miley Cyrus is transphobic because she thinks boobs are more attractive than hairy balls.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on January 25, 2021, 07:39:47 AM
A vagina league would be transphobic, since anything that doesn't include the very feminine penis is transphobic. Shit, Miley Cyrus is transphobic because she thinks boobs are more attractive than hairy balls.

Count me as a trabsphobe too. Boobs are definately more attractive than hairy balls. Or even shaved ones. Or even the ones hanging from Fabio himself

Have a penis league to balance it out. Then the trans morons can be so disgusted with both of them they form their own BS league

It really is shit. And thanks to Trump lowering the bar so much this kinda nonsense BS will get a free pass

Biden should be careful pandering to this BS. I get he wants to be polar opposite to Trump but this is too much!
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on January 25, 2021, 08:15:39 AM
I want to add, it isn't just women's sports, it's any sex segregated space. We already know that women have been raped and assaulted by men taking advantage of trans identity in prisons. It's happened in every country that allows this (including the US). This will also affect women's homeless and domestic violence shelters if they receive federal funding.

Before anyone gets mad at me, I do not think all trans women are violent rapists. Most people do not know that you don't have to medically transition at all to identify as trans. Most men who identify as trans keep their peens. The debate over who is really trans isn't even allowed to happen since lobby groups such as Stonewall have decided trans is an umbrella that covers everyone from cross dressers to those who have undergone SRS.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on January 25, 2021, 08:28:01 AM

Before anyone gets mad at me, I do not think all trans women are violent rapists. Most people do not know that you don't have to medically transition at all to identify as trans. Most men who identify as trans keep their peens. The debate over who is really trans isn't even allowed to happen since lobby groups such as Stonewall have decided trans is an umbrella that covers everyone from cross dressers to those who have undergone SRS.

I might be paranoid but I think that whole Bruce Jenner transitioning was a) getting more screen time on Kardashian show but also to try and get off lightly (because all the attention of coming out as trans and the 'woe is me I'm hard done by now' after killing someone in his at fault car accident

Funny - You search 'Bruce Jenner' in Google and it gives you Caitlyn Jenner. FFS lol

I bet in America land of I called her Bruce I'd be at risk for being arrested for a hate crime. Saying 'he' would probably do it. At the very least I'd be doxxed and told to kill myself on every social media platform

Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JJA on January 25, 2021, 08:28:29 AM
I want to add, it isn't just women's sports, it's any sex segregated space. We already know that women have been raped and assaulted by men taking advantage of trans identity in prisons. It's happened in every country that allows this (including the US). This will also affect women's homeless and domestic violence shelters if they receive federal funding.

Before anyone gets mad at me, I do not think all trans women are violent rapists. Most people do not know that you don't have to medically transition at all to identify as trans. Most men who identify as trans keep their peens. The debate over who is really trans isn't even allowed to happen since lobby groups such as Stonewall have decided trans is an umbrella that covers everyone from cross dressers to those who have undergone SRS.

Men are raped in sickeningly large numbers in prisons, and usually it's just joked about if talked about at all.

I think fixing that problem would prevent more rapes than any legislation for or against tran people and where we allow them to go to the bathroom.

The problem with all of this is tran people are not a one size fits all, you have dozens of possibilities based on the gender they start with and how much of the process they do or don't go through and how capable they are of defending themselves or not.  Not to mention people who naturally have mismatched equipment and genders. 

I think people should be allowed to self identify. Why isn't it their right to decide what they want to be called, why should someone else force them to be or live a certain way?  It's their life, they should be able to decide. 
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JJA on January 25, 2021, 08:30:26 AM

Before anyone gets mad at me, I do not think all trans women are violent rapists. Most people do not know that you don't have to medically transition at all to identify as trans. Most men who identify as trans keep their peens. The debate over who is really trans isn't even allowed to happen since lobby groups such as Stonewall have decided trans is an umbrella that covers everyone from cross dressers to those who have undergone SRS.

I might be paranoid but I think that whole Bruce Jenner transitioning was a) getting more screen time on Kardashian show but also to try and get off lightly (because all the attention of coming out as trans and the 'woe is me I'm hard done by now' after killing someone in his at fault car accident

Funny - You search 'Bruce Jenner' in Google and it gives you Caitlyn Jenner. FFS lol

I bet in America land of I called her Bruce I'd be at risk for being arrested for a hate crime. Saying 'he' would probably do it. At the very least I'd be doxxed and told to kill myself on every social media platform

Yeah and if someone gets married and changes their name and you keep intentionally calling them the wrong name, you're still being a jerk and if you did it to someone famous on social media then yeah, you would get yelled at.

Turns out if you're rude, people tend to not like that. :)
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on January 25, 2021, 08:39:34 AM
There's a huge difference between someone deciding what they want to be called and allowing males to be housed in prisons with females.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JJA on January 25, 2021, 08:48:13 AM
There's a huge difference between someone deciding what they want to be called and allowing males to be housed in prisons with females.

If prisons weren't run by low-ball contractors where rape was common and ignored, it wouldn't be a problem to put women in a men's prison.  In a building with 24/7 surveillance and armed guards anywhere you think we could keep people from getting raped.

I don't see this as a gender issue, I see this as an allowing rape to happen issue. Fix that problem and then who cares what genders are mixed together. It's problem that gets fixed automatically once we deal with the overall issues.

The prison system in the US is a gigantic colossal mess, and allowing a random trans man/woman into the 'wrong' prison is pretty much at the bottom of my list of things to worry about.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on January 25, 2021, 08:52:50 AM

Before anyone gets mad at me, I do not think all trans women are violent rapists. Most people do not know that you don't have to medically transition at all to identify as trans. Most men who identify as trans keep their peens. The debate over who is really trans isn't even allowed to happen since lobby groups such as Stonewall have decided trans is an umbrella that covers everyone from cross dressers to those who have undergone SRS.

I might be paranoid but I think that whole Bruce Jenner transitioning was a) getting more screen time on Kardashian show but also to try and get off lightly (because all the attention of coming out as trans and the 'woe is me I'm hard done by now' after killing someone in his at fault car accident

Funny - You search 'Bruce Jenner' in Google and it gives you Caitlyn Jenner. FFS lol

I bet in America land of I called her Bruce I'd be at risk for being arrested for a hate crime. Saying 'he' would probably do it. At the very least I'd be doxxed and told to kill myself on every social media platform

Yeah and if someone gets married and changes their name and you keep intentionally calling them the wrong name, you're still being a jerk and if you did it to someone famous on social media then yeah, you would get yelled at.

Turns out if you're rude, people tend to not like that. :)

There are literally people who look every part that of a bloke but demand others call them by their 'preferred' pro noun that even an accidental slip can land you in trouble in the workplace too
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JJA on January 25, 2021, 08:59:32 AM

Before anyone gets mad at me, I do not think all trans women are violent rapists. Most people do not know that you don't have to medically transition at all to identify as trans. Most men who identify as trans keep their peens. The debate over who is really trans isn't even allowed to happen since lobby groups such as Stonewall have decided trans is an umbrella that covers everyone from cross dressers to those who have undergone SRS.

I might be paranoid but I think that whole Bruce Jenner transitioning was a) getting more screen time on Kardashian show but also to try and get off lightly (because all the attention of coming out as trans and the 'woe is me I'm hard done by now' after killing someone in his at fault car accident

Funny - You search 'Bruce Jenner' in Google and it gives you Caitlyn Jenner. FFS lol

I bet in America land of I called her Bruce I'd be at risk for being arrested for a hate crime. Saying 'he' would probably do it. At the very least I'd be doxxed and told to kill myself on every social media platform

Yeah and if someone gets married and changes their name and you keep intentionally calling them the wrong name, you're still being a jerk and if you did it to someone famous on social media then yeah, you would get yelled at.

Turns out if you're rude, people tend to not like that. :)

There are literally people who look every part that of a bloke but demand others call them by their 'preferred' pro noun that even an accidental slip can land you in trouble in the workplace too

I don't really care why someone wants to be called one name or the other. What does it hurt you to call people by their names?

And if you get in trouble for what is clearly an accident, then the problem isn't the person who's name you mispronounced, it's your boss for being a jerk.  Blame the person at fault.

I've known several people in the process of transitioning or who started after I met them, I still sometimes call them by the wrong pronoun, years of conditioning are hard to break. If they are in a bad mood they might get upset, otherwise they might not even bother to correct me because they know I'm trying and just forgot. So what? I don't see what the big deal is.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Jamie on January 25, 2021, 09:50:14 AM
I think people should be allowed to self identify. Why isn't it their right to decide what they want to be called, why should someone else force them to be or live a certain way?  It's their life, they should be able to decide.

Agreed. Doesn't bother me any.

I just don't wanna click on MMA and watch a biological male beat the shit out of a biological female.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JJA on January 25, 2021, 10:06:04 AM
I think people should be allowed to self identify. Why isn't it their right to decide what they want to be called, why should someone else force them to be or live a certain way?  It's their life, they should be able to decide.

Agreed. Doesn't bother me any.

I just don't wanna click on MMA and watch a biological male beat the shit out of a biological female.

I don't either.  I also don't want to see a heavyweight pummel a lightweight, that's why there are rules and divisions.  Right now those rules don't take trans people into account, but there is no reason they couldn't.  It's not like any sport is pure and perfectly balanced, it's all arbitrary decisions in the end on what's fair.

We're in a transitional (heh heh) period now... we just have to figure out what the new rules are.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on January 25, 2021, 10:11:39 AM
There's a huge difference between someone deciding what they want to be called and allowing males to be housed in prisons with females.

If prisons weren't run by low-ball contractors where rape was common and ignored, it wouldn't be a problem to put women in a men's prison.  In a building with 24/7 surveillance and armed guards anywhere you think we could keep people from getting raped.

I don't see this as a gender issue, I see this as an allowing rape to happen issue. Fix that problem and then who cares what genders are mixed together. It's problem that gets fixed automatically once we deal with the overall issues.

The prison system in the US is a gigantic colossal mess, and allowing a random trans man/woman into the 'wrong' prison is pretty much at the bottom of my list of things to worry about.

Okay, but the prison system's rape problem hasn't been fixed and don't see any executive orders demanding the rape problem to be fixed.

I fully understand that you do not worry about the safety of women in prison. I didn't expect you to. In the meantime, feminist orgs are gearing up to fight this in court. I hope men like you, who do not worry about the safety of women, will at least stay out of the way. 
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: GlaringEye on January 25, 2021, 10:21:04 AM
There's a huge difference between someone deciding what they want to be called and allowing males to be housed in prisons with females.

If prisons weren't run by low-ball contractors where rape was common and ignored, it wouldn't be a problem to put women in a men's prison.  In a building with 24/7 surveillance and armed guards anywhere you think we could keep people from getting raped.

I don't see this as a gender issue, I see this as an allowing rape to happen issue. Fix that problem and then who cares what genders are mixed together. It's problem that gets fixed automatically once we deal with the overall issues.

The prison system in the US is a gigantic colossal mess, and allowing a random trans man/woman into the 'wrong' prison is pretty much at the bottom of my list of things to worry about.

Okay, but the prison system's rape problem hasn't been fixed and don't see any executive orders demanding the rape problem to be fixed.

I fully understand that you do not worry about the safety of women in prison. I didn't expect you to. In the meantime, feminist orgs are gearing up to fight this in court. I hope men like you, who do not worry about the safety of women, will at least stay out of the way.

Yes, yes. Kill all the trans people, as usual. We know you. They're your boogeyman. Doesn't matter if biological women rape other women by the hundreds in prison, you'll keep getting fixated on the one that has a cock.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JJA on January 25, 2021, 10:30:13 AM
There's a huge difference between someone deciding what they want to be called and allowing males to be housed in prisons with females.

If prisons weren't run by low-ball contractors where rape was common and ignored, it wouldn't be a problem to put women in a men's prison.  In a building with 24/7 surveillance and armed guards anywhere you think we could keep people from getting raped.

I don't see this as a gender issue, I see this as an allowing rape to happen issue. Fix that problem and then who cares what genders are mixed together. It's problem that gets fixed automatically once we deal with the overall issues.

The prison system in the US is a gigantic colossal mess, and allowing a random trans man/woman into the 'wrong' prison is pretty much at the bottom of my list of things to worry about.

Okay, but the prison system's rape problem hasn't been fixed and don't see any executive orders demanding the rape problem to be fixed.

I fully understand that you do not worry about the safety of women in prison. I didn't expect you to. In the meantime, feminist orgs are gearing up to fight this in court. I hope men like you, who do not worry about the safety of women, will at least stay out of the way.

Now who's straw-manning?

I never said I don't care about women's safety in prison. Not once, ever. I said the exact opposite in fact, I stated very clearly that I was against rape in prison. That includes women.

So please don't go claiming I don't care about women, and then tell me how bad I am because I don't care about women.

I can care more about one thing than another thing and still care about both. I'm allowed to have priorities. Just because my priorities are not the same as yours doesn't mean you can say things about me that aren't true.

As for the prison system needing reform, you're right, it does. Perhaps I'll write Biden a letter about it. I haven't sent him one yet.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Jamie on January 25, 2021, 10:32:19 AM
Now who's straw-manning?

I never said I don't care about women's safety in prison. Not once, ever. I said the exact opposite in fact, I stated very clearly that I was against rape in prison. That includes women.

So please don't go claiming I don't care about women, and then tell me how bad I am because I don't care about women.

I can care more about one thing than another thing and still care about both. I'm allowed to have priorities. Just because my priorities are not the same as yours doesn't mean you can say things about me that aren't true.

As for the prison system needing reform, you're right, it does. Perhaps I'll write Biden a letter about it. I haven't sent him one yet.

Maybe you're both being stupid?
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JJA on January 25, 2021, 10:40:40 AM
Now who's straw-manning?

I never said I don't care about women's safety in prison. Not once, ever. I said the exact opposite in fact, I stated very clearly that I was against rape in prison. That includes women.

So please don't go claiming I don't care about women, and then tell me how bad I am because I don't care about women.

I can care more about one thing than another thing and still care about both. I'm allowed to have priorities. Just because my priorities are not the same as yours doesn't mean you can say things about me that aren't true.

As for the prison system needing reform, you're right, it does. Perhaps I'll write Biden a letter about it. I haven't sent him one yet.

Maybe you're both being stupid?

Maybe all three of us are being stupid?
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on January 25, 2021, 10:42:43 AM
There's a huge difference between someone deciding what they want to be called and allowing males to be housed in prisons with females.

If prisons weren't run by low-ball contractors where rape was common and ignored, it wouldn't be a problem to put women in a men's prison.  In a building with 24/7 surveillance and armed guards anywhere you think we could keep people from getting raped.

I don't see this as a gender issue, I see this as an allowing rape to happen issue. Fix that problem and then who cares what genders are mixed together. It's problem that gets fixed automatically once we deal with the overall issues.

The prison system in the US is a gigantic colossal mess, and allowing a random trans man/woman into the 'wrong' prison is pretty much at the bottom of my list of things to worry about.

Okay, but the prison system's rape problem hasn't been fixed and don't see any executive orders demanding the rape problem to be fixed.

I fully understand that you do not worry about the safety of women in prison. I didn't expect you to. In the meantime, feminist orgs are gearing up to fight this in court. I hope men like you, who do not worry about the safety of women, will at least stay out of the way.

Yes, yes. Kill all the trans people, as usual. We know you. They're your boogeyman. Doesn't matter if biological women rape other women by the hundreds in prison, you'll keep getting fixated on the one that has a cock.

Why do you want to kill all the transpeople? That's a bit harsh, don't you think?
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on January 25, 2021, 10:47:29 AM
There's a huge difference between someone deciding what they want to be called and allowing males to be housed in prisons with females.

If prisons weren't run by low-ball contractors where rape was common and ignored, it wouldn't be a problem to put women in a men's prison.  In a building with 24/7 surveillance and armed guards anywhere you think we could keep people from getting raped.

I don't see this as a gender issue, I see this as an allowing rape to happen issue. Fix that problem and then who cares what genders are mixed together. It's problem that gets fixed automatically once we deal with the overall issues.

The prison system in the US is a gigantic colossal mess, and allowing a random trans man/woman into the 'wrong' prison is pretty much at the bottom of my list of things to worry about.

Okay, but the prison system's rape problem hasn't been fixed and don't see any executive orders demanding the rape problem to be fixed.

I fully understand that you do not worry about the safety of women in prison. I didn't expect you to. In the meantime, feminist orgs are gearing up to fight this in court. I hope men like you, who do not worry about the safety of women, will at least stay out of the way.

Now who's straw-manning?

I never said I don't care about women's safety in prison. Not once, ever. I said the exact opposite in fact, I stated very clearly that I was against rape in prison. That includes women.

So please don't go claiming I don't care about women, and then tell me how bad I am because I don't care about women.

I can care more about one thing than another thing and still care about both. I'm allowed to have priorities. Just because my priorities are not the same as yours doesn't mean you can say things about me that aren't true.

As for the prison system needing reform, you're right, it does. Perhaps I'll write Biden a letter about it. I haven't sent him one yet.

You said it was at the bottom of your list of things to worry about!
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JJA on January 25, 2021, 11:19:48 AM
There's a huge difference between someone deciding what they want to be called and allowing males to be housed in prisons with females.

If prisons weren't run by low-ball contractors where rape was common and ignored, it wouldn't be a problem to put women in a men's prison.  In a building with 24/7 surveillance and armed guards anywhere you think we could keep people from getting raped.

I don't see this as a gender issue, I see this as an allowing rape to happen issue. Fix that problem and then who cares what genders are mixed together. It's problem that gets fixed automatically once we deal with the overall issues.

The prison system in the US is a gigantic colossal mess, and allowing a random trans man/woman into the 'wrong' prison is pretty much at the bottom of my list of things to worry about.

Okay, but the prison system's rape problem hasn't been fixed and don't see any executive orders demanding the rape problem to be fixed.

I fully understand that you do not worry about the safety of women in prison. I didn't expect you to. In the meantime, feminist orgs are gearing up to fight this in court. I hope men like you, who do not worry about the safety of women, will at least stay out of the way.

Now who's straw-manning?

I never said I don't care about women's safety in prison. Not once, ever. I said the exact opposite in fact, I stated very clearly that I was against rape in prison. That includes women.

So please don't go claiming I don't care about women, and then tell me how bad I am because I don't care about women.

I can care more about one thing than another thing and still care about both. I'm allowed to have priorities. Just because my priorities are not the same as yours doesn't mean you can say things about me that aren't true.

As for the prison system needing reform, you're right, it does. Perhaps I'll write Biden a letter about it. I haven't sent him one yet.

You said it was at the bottom of your list of things to worry about!

Yes, which is still on my list, and still something I worry about. It's just not the most important thing I worry about.

You said I don't worry about the safety of women, when right there it clearly says I do.

If you said I don't care enough (in your opinion) I would have just ignored it, but you claimed I don't care and I bloody well DO care.

If I didn't care, I would have said so.

Don't try and insult me by claiming I don't care about women. Keep making up other things if you want but leave this one alone.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on January 25, 2021, 01:09:46 PM
I don't think you care about women much at all. I'm sorry if that hurts your feelings! See, I care about your feelings, a little bit.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Jamie on January 25, 2021, 01:13:00 PM
He just says he does because he's a woke feminist snowflake.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on January 25, 2021, 01:16:30 PM
I bet he's got a "this is what a feminist looks like" t-shirt.

Anyway, back to bitching 'bout Biden. Apparently he is basing his healthcare plan on the insurance lobby's letter, and will mostly benefit the insurance industry. Surprise, Biden is not a pinko commie scum. This is a super lefty website, but the article is well sourced https://www.dailyposter.com/p/news-biden-lifts-health-care-plan
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Jamie on January 25, 2021, 01:38:24 PM
Whaaat, how is that possible... /s

Of course a guy who's stayed in the gov't. game for 50+ years or however long isn't gonna do it bucking the trend and challenging lobbyists -- he's gonna do it playing the long-con.

Politicians like AOC and Bernie Sanders ain't as clean as people figure and they're outliers anyway.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JJA on January 25, 2021, 01:48:23 PM
I don't think you care about women much at all. I'm sorry if that hurts your feelings! See, I care about your feelings, a little bit.

Well that's better, at least you're finally stating it's just your opinion instead of claiming I said it.

Baby steps. Maybe one day you will figure out that people who don't share your exact particular obsessions are not scary people out to get you.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on January 25, 2021, 02:58:41 PM
There you go admitting you don't care again. lol
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: boydster on January 25, 2021, 03:04:25 PM
From an outside vantage point, saying "XYZ is at the bottom of my list of things to care about" is generally something people say when they want to make it abundantly clear that they really don't care about whatever XYZ is.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JJA on January 25, 2021, 03:22:15 PM
From an outside vantage point, saying "XYZ is at the bottom of my list of things to care about" is generally something people say when they want to make it abundantly clear that they really don't care about whatever XYZ is.

If you ignore the entire rest of the conversation that's a barely passable excuse for accusing me of not caring about women.

And just as a reminder, I was talking about the problem of trans men being sent to a womans prison as being a low priority for me to worry about, because it's such a small percentage. It's why I don't get worked up about redheads getting raped in prison... I'd rather fix the fucking system and stop all of it instead of focus on one small group and ignore the rest.

On the other hand, men AND women getting raped in prison was something I said was very high on my priority list and that does happen a lot and is mostly ignored.  It pisses me off.  I want it fixed, I'm angry nothing is being done about it and sick to death of for profit prisons and all how many people we send there.

It's a very dishonest ploy to say, and continue to say I don't care about women. That's bullshit.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: boydster on January 25, 2021, 03:41:22 PM
From an outside vantage point, saying "XYZ is at the bottom of my list of things to care about" is generally something people say when they want to make it abundantly clear that they really don't care about whatever XYZ is.

If you ignore the entire rest of the conversation that's a barely passable excuse for accusing me of not caring about women.

And just as a reminder, I was talking about the problem of trans men being sent to a womans prison as being a low priority for me to worry about, because it's such a small percentage. It's why I don't get worked up about redheads getting raped in prison... I'd rather fix the fucking system and stop all of it instead of focus on one small group and ignore the rest.

On the other hand, men AND women getting raped in prison was something I said was very high on my priority list and that does happen a lot and is mostly ignored.  It pisses me off.  I want it fixed, I'm angry nothing is being done about it and sick to death of for profit prisons and all how many people we send there.

It's a very dishonest ploy to say, and continue to say I don't care about women. That's bullshit.
I'm pretty sure that's not what I said. I stated how the phrase you chose to use is typically used when people have conversations.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Jamie on January 25, 2021, 03:41:53 PM
I like just how committed JJA is to virtue-signaling that he cares about women.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: boydster on January 25, 2021, 03:47:18 PM
The prison system in the US is a gigantic colossal mess, and allowing a random trans man/woman into the 'wrong' prison is pretty much at the bottom of my list of things to worry about.
This is where you used the phrase. Do you or do you not worry about allowing a "trans man/woman into the 'wrong' prison"? If it's worth worrying about, why would you phrase it like that? If it's not worth worrying about, which would make sense if it was at the bottom of your list, presumably below other things like stubbing your toe on the coffee table first thing in the morning, then congratulations, you used that phrase the way everyone else does.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Jamie on January 25, 2021, 03:48:47 PM
Getting JJA to admit he's wrong is liking getting you to admit the earth is round.  ;)
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: boydster on January 25, 2021, 03:56:57 PM
Getting JJA to admit he's wrong is liking getting you to admit the earth is round.  ;)
It's round!
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JJA on January 25, 2021, 04:20:57 PM
I like just how committed JJA is to virtue-signaling that he cares about women.

Yes, I'm sure if you were accused of being a conspiracy following insurrectionist Trump supporter like all the others you would just drop it and let it go, right? :p
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JJA on January 25, 2021, 04:34:37 PM
From an outside vantage point, saying "XYZ is at the bottom of my list of things to care about" is generally something people say when they want to make it abundantly clear that they really don't care about whatever XYZ is.

If you ignore the entire rest of the conversation that's a barely passable excuse for accusing me of not caring about women.

And just as a reminder, I was talking about the problem of trans men being sent to a womans prison as being a low priority for me to worry about, because it's such a small percentage. It's why I don't get worked up about redheads getting raped in prison... I'd rather fix the fucking system and stop all of it instead of focus on one small group and ignore the rest.

On the other hand, men AND women getting raped in prison was something I said was very high on my priority list and that does happen a lot and is mostly ignored.  It pisses me off.  I want it fixed, I'm angry nothing is being done about it and sick to death of for profit prisons and all how many people we send there.

It's a very dishonest ploy to say, and continue to say I don't care about women. That's bullshit.
I'm pretty sure that's not what I said. I stated how the phrase you chose to use is typically used when people have conversations.

You did, I responded to that in the first sentence, and the rest was pointing out the context of the rest of the conversation. Which I still think is dishonest when calling me someone who doesn't care about women when that is very clearly not what I said. At all.

I get accused of all kinds of things here and ignore most of them, but not this one.  I wouldn't let someone tell me I'm a racist who hates minorities either.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Jamie on January 25, 2021, 04:37:58 PM
Yes, I'm sure if you were accused of being a conspiracy following insurrectionist Trump supporter like all the others you would just drop it and let it go, right? :p

There were 74 million people at the Capitol riot?

Well, if all the Democratic voters showed up, you'd have to account, too, for the illegal immigrants, underaged teens, and literally dead people who also voted... /s
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Jamie on January 25, 2021, 04:38:32 PM
It's round!

Blessed be he who witnesses the true shape of the earth!
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on January 25, 2021, 04:41:04 PM
It's only round to him because his glasses have fish eye lenses.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: markjo on January 25, 2021, 04:55:40 PM
Getting JJA to admit he's wrong is liking getting you to admit the earth is round.  ;)
It's round, like a pizza!
FTFY
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Jamie on January 25, 2021, 04:57:27 PM
Actually, on second thought, I should've specified globular.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: boydster on January 25, 2021, 05:40:10 PM
From an outside vantage point, saying "XYZ is at the bottom of my list of things to care about" is generally something people say when they want to make it abundantly clear that they really don't care about whatever XYZ is.

If you ignore the entire rest of the conversation that's a barely passable excuse for accusing me of not caring about women.

And just as a reminder, I was talking about the problem of trans men being sent to a womans prison as being a low priority for me to worry about, because it's such a small percentage. It's why I don't get worked up about redheads getting raped in prison... I'd rather fix the fucking system and stop all of it instead of focus on one small group and ignore the rest.

On the other hand, men AND women getting raped in prison was something I said was very high on my priority list and that does happen a lot and is mostly ignored.  It pisses me off.  I want it fixed, I'm angry nothing is being done about it and sick to death of for profit prisons and all how many people we send there.

It's a very dishonest ploy to say, and continue to say I don't care about women. That's bullshit.
I'm pretty sure that's not what I said. I stated how the phrase you chose to use is typically used when people have conversations.

You did, I responded to that in the first sentence, and the rest was pointing out the context of the rest of the conversation. Which I still think is dishonest when calling me someone who doesn't care about women when that is very clearly not what I said. At all.

I get accused of all kinds of things here and ignore most of them, but not this one.  I wouldn't let someone tell me I'm a racist who hates minorities either.
Please quote where I said you don't care about women, like you are accusing me of. I'll wait.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: boydster on January 25, 2021, 05:46:30 PM
Actually, on second thought, I should've specified globular.
I've been clear and direct with people that I'm RE when the conversation requires it. It doesn't happen often, especially not since I've been here so long. When that isn't relevant to the argument, I leave it out, and that is frequently illuminating in finding out how tribal someone is when they think you are "them" and not "us" - something I think you can relate to. And when I've told someone before, I have little patience for that person ignoring it in the future so as to make an attack they know perfectly well is disingenuous.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Jamie on January 25, 2021, 05:52:36 PM
Yeah, I see what you're saying.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JJA on January 26, 2021, 04:34:14 AM
From an outside vantage point, saying "XYZ is at the bottom of my list of things to care about" is generally something people say when they want to make it abundantly clear that they really don't care about whatever XYZ is.

If you ignore the entire rest of the conversation that's a barely passable excuse for accusing me of not caring about women.

And just as a reminder, I was talking about the problem of trans men being sent to a womans prison as being a low priority for me to worry about, because it's such a small percentage. It's why I don't get worked up about redheads getting raped in prison... I'd rather fix the fucking system and stop all of it instead of focus on one small group and ignore the rest.

On the other hand, men AND women getting raped in prison was something I said was very high on my priority list and that does happen a lot and is mostly ignored.  It pisses me off.  I want it fixed, I'm angry nothing is being done about it and sick to death of for profit prisons and all how many people we send there.

It's a very dishonest ploy to say, and continue to say I don't care about women. That's bullshit.
I'm pretty sure that's not what I said. I stated how the phrase you chose to use is typically used when people have conversations.

You did, I responded to that in the first sentence, and the rest was pointing out the context of the rest of the conversation. Which I still think is dishonest when calling me someone who doesn't care about women when that is very clearly not what I said. At all.

I get accused of all kinds of things here and ignore most of them, but not this one.  I wouldn't let someone tell me I'm a racist who hates minorities either.
Please quote where I said you don't care about women, like you are accusing me of. I'll wait.

For the third time I'm not accusing you of saying that. I spent the first sentence replying to you, and the rest complaining about the rest of the discussion, which involved someone else.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JJA on January 26, 2021, 04:38:50 AM
Yes, I'm sure if you were accused of being a conspiracy following insurrectionist Trump supporter like all the others you would just drop it and let it go, right? :p

There were 74 million people at the Capitol riot?

Well, if all the Democratic voters showed up, you'd have to account, too, for the illegal immigrants, underaged teens, and literally dead people who also voted... /s

No, there were only a few thousand Trump supporters who were there.  But the rest were there in spirit. :)

As for all the underage illegal dead Democrats, I'm sure you have a source for all of those. :)
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JJA on January 26, 2021, 04:39:50 AM
Getting JJA to admit he's wrong is liking getting you to admit the earth is round.  ;)

Oh that's unfair, I've admitted I was wrong at least once. Very likely even twice, maybe more.

It's hard to remember because it happens so infrequently.  ;D
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Jamie on January 26, 2021, 06:12:49 AM
No, there were only a few thousand Trump supporters who were there.  But the rest were there in spirit. :)

As for all the underage illegal dead Democrats, I'm sure you have a source for all of those. :)

I was watching the news in horror all afternoon. That was a terrible day.

The evidence is coming. Just you wait! It's like @MAGA_Priest said on Twitter, "The truth will come out!@!!" /s
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on January 26, 2021, 08:26:26 PM
“VICTORY,” tweeted Texas Attorney-General Ken Paxton, a close ally of former President Donald Trump.

“Texas is the FIRST state in the nation to bring a lawsuit against the Biden Admin. AND WE WON. Within six days of Biden’s inauguration, Texas has HALTED his illegal deportation freeze. *This* was a seditious left-wing insurrection. And my team and I stopped it.”


A seditious left wing insurrection by Biden!!! Impeach! Impeach!
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on January 26, 2021, 08:40:08 PM
Ken Paxton sounds like a crazy person.  But strip away the maga-speak and this is just par for the course.  Nearly everything congress or the president does gets challenged in court.  It's almost like beta testing a law.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on January 27, 2021, 04:36:35 AM


GET 'EM JOE!
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Themightykabool on January 27, 2021, 04:37:17 AM
Love how these right wing think tanks cant figure any other strategy than to flip words.

I saw the Fox Five try a "fact check" segment on biden which just turned into a giant op ed.
And how "radical left" became a thing adter the "radical right" started bringing guns to "we want hair cut" protests.
Now they want to use insurrection.

Just redefine words as you go.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on January 28, 2021, 04:42:01 PM
https://www.axios.com/biden-freezes-us-arms-sales-saudi-arabia-uae-523ed4cf-6a97-487f-9732-f881b0b3cd55.html

That's movement in the right direction.  We should really cut ties and declare them a terrorist nation but this is a good step.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on January 28, 2021, 05:45:19 PM
https://www.axios.com/biden-freezes-us-arms-sales-saudi-arabia-uae-523ed4cf-6a97-487f-9732-f881b0b3cd55.html

That's movement in the right direction.  We should really cut ties and declare them a terrorist nation but this is a good step.

Saudi Arabia may as well be ISIS. Just with a badge

To hell with their Wahhabism

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRwUVtjIcpH4QBwseknnAoGhvCtb692JPHKhg&usqp=CAU)
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on January 29, 2021, 09:35:09 PM
(https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/e465de3612e1f9f5549283a06c6a7936?width=650)

To all those repugs that wanted Trump to 'declassify everything' well he was too chicken shit. Biden will do some of it.

Oh look. Trump was hiding critical data from you guys because it would make him look bad

The sort of thing some bastard authoritarian / dictator / communist arsehole kind of leader would do ::)
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Lorddave on January 30, 2021, 12:22:26 AM
Not shocking.

And those white spots are probably mostly uninhabited.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on January 30, 2021, 08:17:55 AM
Not shocking.

And those white spots are probably mostly uninhabited.

Can confirm for the white spots in the Texas/Oklahoma panhandle area. A whole lot of nothing for miles and miles. Also, I think that slightly lighter red blob in Florida is Lake Okeechobee. lol
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Themightykabool on January 30, 2021, 09:28:13 AM
I think it was pakman that mentioned this last year.

Although an old map i found, still relavent in terms of where the peoole are.

http://ecpmlangues.u-strasbg.fr/civilization/geography/US-census-maps-demographics.html
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on January 30, 2021, 09:40:31 AM
Not shocking.

And those white spots are probably mostly uninhabited.

Can confirm for the white spots in the Texas/Oklahoma panhandle area. A whole lot of nothing for miles and miles. Also, I think that slightly lighter red blob in Florida is Lake Okeechobee. lol

It's almost like any part where people live in America, quite a few people are walking around infected. Anytime you go out in public, there's a high chance you cross paths with a covid infected person. You got over 26 million test positive but I bet the real number is much greater than that.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on January 30, 2021, 01:47:36 PM
Today is my mom's birthday so we all went to a restaurant. It's the first time I've gone into a restaurant for a meal since before the plague. Now I am nervous.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Stash on January 30, 2021, 02:21:10 PM
Today is my mom's birthday so we all went to a restaurant. It's the first time I've gone into a restaurant for a meal since before the plague. Now I am nervous.

HBD to Mom's Mom.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on January 30, 2021, 03:06:39 PM
I will tell her happy birthday from the flat earth society. She won't believe me. lol
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Jura-Glenlivet II on February 01, 2021, 11:19:43 AM

Tell her happy birthday from the UK and Biden (as it's his thread)
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on February 01, 2021, 12:15:16 PM
I will tell her!
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Jamie on February 02, 2021, 05:05:45 AM
Happy belated birthday, Grandma FE!
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on February 22, 2021, 09:41:00 AM
Neera Tanden...



I haven't heard a lot about this person.  Apparently she's sort of a corrupt shithead. 
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on February 22, 2021, 09:54:49 AM
Neera Tanden...



I haven't heard a lot about this person.  Apparently she's sort of a corrupt shithead.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neera_Tanden
Quote
On November 30, 2020, President-elect Joe Biden announced that Tanden would be his nominee for Director of the Office of Management and Budget.[40] Immediately following the announcement, Tanden deleted over 1,000 of her previous tweets,[41] and changed her Twitter bio from "progressive" to "liberal".[42] During the confirmation hearing, Tanden apologized for several of her tweets attacking Republican senators, including tweets calling Susan Collins "the worst", comparing Ted Cruz to vampires and Lord Voldemort, and using the nickname "Moscow Mitch" for Mitch McConnell.[43] Senator John Cornyn described Tanden as "radioactive" in contrast to other Biden nominees he felt were more acceptable,[44] while Senator John Kennedy stated that she "called Senator Sanders everything but an ignorant slut".[45][46] NPR described her as "Biden's most controversial Cabinet pick".[47]

Many members of the 2016 and 2020 Bernie Sanders presidential campaigns, such as Briahna Joy Gray, strongly dislike Tanden and have drawn an explicit distinction between "progressives and Neera Tanden"; Politico described her nomination as "the equivalent of rubbing salt in the wound".[48]

In February 2021, Senator Joe Manchin (D-WV) said he opposed her nomination due to "overtly partisan statements" in the past, putting her approval in doubt due to the split senate.[49][50] Key Senators Susan Collins (R-ME) and Mitt Romney (R-UT) will also vote against Tanden's nomination.[51] Conservative commentator Hugh Hewitt wrote that Republicans should forgive her and approve the nomination.[52] No Republican senators have indicated they will do so.[53]

If Biden wants to get any good will from the repugnicans he should dump her. Her nomination just looks antagonistic. And for all the 'we have to work together and unity' speeches, she seems an odd choice.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Lorddave on February 22, 2021, 10:10:06 AM
Neera Tanden...



I haven't heard a lot about this person.  Apparently she's sort of a corrupt shithead.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neera_Tanden
Quote
On November 30, 2020, President-elect Joe Biden announced that Tanden would be his nominee for Director of the Office of Management and Budget.[40] Immediately following the announcement, Tanden deleted over 1,000 of her previous tweets,[41] and changed her Twitter bio from "progressive" to "liberal".[42] During the confirmation hearing, Tanden apologized for several of her tweets attacking Republican senators, including tweets calling Susan Collins "the worst", comparing Ted Cruz to vampires and Lord Voldemort, and using the nickname "Moscow Mitch" for Mitch McConnell.[43] Senator John Cornyn described Tanden as "radioactive" in contrast to other Biden nominees he felt were more acceptable,[44] while Senator John Kennedy stated that she "called Senator Sanders everything but an ignorant slut".[45][46] NPR described her as "Biden's most controversial Cabinet pick".[47]

Many members of the 2016 and 2020 Bernie Sanders presidential campaigns, such as Briahna Joy Gray, strongly dislike Tanden and have drawn an explicit distinction between "progressives and Neera Tanden"; Politico described her nomination as "the equivalent of rubbing salt in the wound".[48]

In February 2021, Senator Joe Manchin (D-WV) said he opposed her nomination due to "overtly partisan statements" in the past, putting her approval in doubt due to the split senate.[49][50] Key Senators Susan Collins (R-ME) and Mitt Romney (R-UT) will also vote against Tanden's nomination.[51] Conservative commentator Hugh Hewitt wrote that Republicans should forgive her and approve the nomination.[52] No Republican senators have indicated they will do so.[53]

If Biden wants to get any good will from the repugnicans he should dump her. Her nomination just looks antagonistic. And for all the 'we have to work together and unity' speeches, she seems an odd choice.

But that kinda stuff is what Republicans love.  Look at Trump.  I would think she's the "Republican Friendly" pick.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: DuckDodgers on February 22, 2021, 10:41:36 AM
Neera Tanden...



I haven't heard a lot about this person.  Apparently she's sort of a corrupt shithead.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neera_Tanden
Quote
On November 30, 2020, President-elect Joe Biden announced that Tanden would be his nominee for Director of the Office of Management and Budget.[40] Immediately following the announcement, Tanden deleted over 1,000 of her previous tweets,[41] and changed her Twitter bio from "progressive" to "liberal".[42] During the confirmation hearing, Tanden apologized for several of her tweets attacking Republican senators, including tweets calling Susan Collins "the worst", comparing Ted Cruz to vampires and Lord Voldemort, and using the nickname "Moscow Mitch" for Mitch McConnell.[43] Senator John Cornyn described Tanden as "radioactive" in contrast to other Biden nominees he felt were more acceptable,[44] while Senator John Kennedy stated that she "called Senator Sanders everything but an ignorant slut".[45][46] NPR described her as "Biden's most controversial Cabinet pick".[47]

Many members of the 2016 and 2020 Bernie Sanders presidential campaigns, such as Briahna Joy Gray, strongly dislike Tanden and have drawn an explicit distinction between "progressives and Neera Tanden"; Politico described her nomination as "the equivalent of rubbing salt in the wound".[48]

In February 2021, Senator Joe Manchin (D-WV) said he opposed her nomination due to "overtly partisan statements" in the past, putting her approval in doubt due to the split senate.[49][50] Key Senators Susan Collins (R-ME) and Mitt Romney (R-UT) will also vote against Tanden's nomination.[51] Conservative commentator Hugh Hewitt wrote that Republicans should forgive her and approve the nomination.[52] No Republican senators have indicated they will do so.[53]

If Biden wants to get any good will from the repugnicans he should dump her. Her nomination just looks antagonistic. And for all the 'we have to work together and unity' speeches, she seems an odd choice.
If someone like Hugh Hewitt wants her to be confirmed, you can bet that she is a poison pill type of pick.  That alone should make the democrats more willing to dump her, even if they are willing to overlook all the shady shit in the video Crouton posted.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on February 22, 2021, 11:46:08 AM
I'm going to put on my conspiracy hat here.

I think Biden made some kind of deal for Hillary Clinton's support to get this person in OMB.  It is very weird how the mainstream part of left wing media is intent on defending her.  All of her shitty tweets are reason enough to dump her.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on February 22, 2021, 11:51:33 AM
Quote from: Crouton link=topic=86683.msg2305355#msg2305355
All of her shitty tweets are reason enough to dump her.

But.... She deleted them! You weren't supposed to notice those!

You must unsee her shitty tweets!

Biden must ask if she's worth the bad PR. He said himself he wants to govern for all Americans. That means appeasing all the repugnicans if he can. Unless he's playing some weird 4D chess and is using her to catch the flak from other things he wants to do or trying to hide.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on February 22, 2021, 01:50:41 PM
I will be so glad when we stop caring what someone tweets.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: markjo on February 22, 2021, 07:58:42 PM
I will be so glad when we stop caring what someone tweets.
Ever the optimist, aren't you?
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on February 24, 2021, 05:35:35 AM
LOL


Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on February 24, 2021, 06:42:04 AM
I will be so glad when we stop caring what someone tweets.
Be the change that you want to see.  :P
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on February 25, 2021, 05:57:14 PM


Here we go again!

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-syria-strike-exclusive/exclusive-u-s-carries-out-airstrike-against-iranian-backed-militia-target-in-syria-officials-say-idUSKBN2AP33D

Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Eren on February 25, 2021, 06:27:50 PM


Here we go again!

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-syria-strike-exclusive/exclusive-u-s-carries-out-airstrike-against-iranian-backed-militia-target-in-syria-officials-say-idUSKBN2AP33D

AMERICA IS BACK!
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Stash on February 25, 2021, 07:15:12 PM


Here we go again!

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-syria-strike-exclusive/exclusive-u-s-carries-out-airstrike-against-iranian-backed-militia-target-in-syria-officials-say-idUSKBN2AP33D

AMERICA IS BACK!

We fired dozens of tomahawks into Syria back in 2017 and more in 2018. So I wouldn't say we are back, more like more of the same. However, I'm not sure continuing the policy is a good one.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Eren on February 25, 2021, 08:25:21 PM
Yeah that's an example of shared ideals of the Democrats and Republicans. Air strikes and wars in the middle east.

Why do you think both the Republicans and Democrats pursue such an aggressive policy in the middle east?

The republicans excuse was a gas attack which it later turned out they had no evidence for.

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/opcw-probes-prove-chemical-syria-attacks-73388501

(https://i.postimg.cc/cC7XcSWG/Trump-Assad-must-go.png)
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on February 25, 2021, 08:58:00 PM
Clinton wanted a 'no fly zone' over Russia. Apparently it worked so well in Libya.

Except in Libya the dems only needed to worry about shooting down fighters from a country with no chance of retaliation against America. Clinton thought shooting Ruskis helping Assad would be fine. One of her most idiotic brain waves thankfully never in a position to enable

Also, the defeating of ISIS was largely thanks to the Russians, not America. Successive American governments (dems and repugs) helped enable these groups in the first place.

And when the Syria civil war first started all our MSM was on the side of 'the rebels' against a tyrannical Assad regime (no question he's a dick though)

Those rebels morphed into ISIS. All the help, weapons, support, training etc just screwed us over in the end.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Eren on February 25, 2021, 09:01:37 PM
More or less of a dick than Xi?
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on February 25, 2021, 09:31:56 PM
More or less of a dick than Xi?

Not sure what mental gymnastics you made to get from there to Xi but why don't we let Joe Biden answer that in a most clear and succinct wsy

Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Eren on February 25, 2021, 09:45:46 PM
I was asking you.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on February 25, 2021, 10:34:02 PM
I was asking you.

Start a new topic if you want to talk about Xi

Maybe one titled 'why do you support Xi Jinping?'
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 01, 2021, 06:51:18 AM
Anyone think it's weird that the media has started calling immigrant detention facilities "overflow facilities" instead of referring to kids in cages? Aren't they still locked up?
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on March 01, 2021, 07:11:35 AM
https://www.theonion.com/biden-unveils-cool-teen-migrant-detainment-center-where-1846336705

I haven't looked into it too much beyond the Onion article.  I assume it's back to detaining minors as a bug instead of a feature but I could be wrong.

Left leaning MSM obviously wants to cover for Biden.  While right leaning MSM doesn't want to give Biden credit for possibly being cruel to immigrants.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 01, 2021, 07:41:01 AM
https://www.theonion.com/biden-unveils-cool-teen-migrant-detainment-center-where-1846336705

I haven't looked into it too much beyond the Onion article.  I assume it's back to detaining minors as a bug instead of a feature but I could be wrong.

Left leaning MSM obviously wants to cover for Biden.  While right leaning MSM doesn't want to give Biden credit for possibly being cruel to immigrants.

I didn't read them all, but USA Today, CNN, and all the usual msm all had articles referring to them as "overflow facilities". Even AOC called them that.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JJA on March 01, 2021, 07:59:29 AM
https://www.theonion.com/biden-unveils-cool-teen-migrant-detainment-center-where-1846336705

I haven't looked into it too much beyond the Onion article.  I assume it's back to detaining minors as a bug instead of a feature but I could be wrong.

Left leaning MSM obviously wants to cover for Biden.  While right leaning MSM doesn't want to give Biden credit for possibly being cruel to immigrants.

I didn't read them all, but USA Today, CNN, and all the usual msm all had articles referring to them as "overflow facilities". Even AOC called them that.

Biden came into office having to deal with 600 children who had been separated by from their families by Trump.  He's gotten 100 reunited with their parents so far but still has 500 to deal with.

The MSN is rightfully not claiming he's putting kids in cages because... he isn't putting them in cages.

He is trying to improve their living conditions.  I don't understand why any of this is a bad thing, what is he supposed to do with them, just chuck them back over the wall with a catapult?
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: WISHTOLAUGH on March 01, 2021, 08:14:20 AM
https://www.theonion.com/biden-unveils-cool-teen-migrant-detainment-center-where-1846336705

I haven't looked into it too much beyond the Onion article.  I assume it's back to detaining minors as a bug instead of a feature but I could be wrong.

Left leaning MSM obviously wants to cover for Biden.  While right leaning MSM doesn't want to give Biden credit for possibly being cruel to immigrants.

I didn't read them all, but USA Today, CNN, and all the usual msm all had articles referring to them as "overflow facilities". Even AOC called them that.

Biden came into office having to deal with 600 children who had been separated by from their families by Trump.  He's gotten 100 reunited with their parents so far but still has 500 to deal with.

The MSN is rightfully not claiming he's putting kids in cages because... he isn't putting them in cages.

He is trying to improve their living conditions.  I don't understand why any of this is a bad thing, what is he supposed to do with them, just chuck them back over the wall with a catapult?
BWAHAHA!!!

Separated from families is a joke.

When you commit a crime, you get separated from your family.

Not that these kids were being accompanied by their family anyway.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on March 01, 2021, 09:06:22 AM
https://www.theonion.com/biden-unveils-cool-teen-migrant-detainment-center-where-1846336705

I haven't looked into it too much beyond the Onion article.  I assume it's back to detaining minors as a bug instead of a feature but I could be wrong.

Left leaning MSM obviously wants to cover for Biden.  While right leaning MSM doesn't want to give Biden credit for possibly being cruel to immigrants.

I didn't read them all, but USA Today, CNN, and all the usual msm all had articles referring to them as "overflow facilities". Even AOC called them that.
The Guardian actually ran a piece - in the opinion section.  They did have it on the front page of the site for a bit though.

Biden is locking up migrant children. Will the world still care with Trump gone? (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/24/biden-is-locking-up-migrant-children-will-the-world-still-care-with-trump-gone)

To which the answer is probably, no.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: WISHTOLAUGH on March 01, 2021, 09:15:45 AM
https://www.theonion.com/biden-unveils-cool-teen-migrant-detainment-center-where-1846336705

I haven't looked into it too much beyond the Onion article.  I assume it's back to detaining minors as a bug instead of a feature but I could be wrong.

Left leaning MSM obviously wants to cover for Biden.  While right leaning MSM doesn't want to give Biden credit for possibly being cruel to immigrants.

I didn't read them all, but USA Today, CNN, and all the usual msm all had articles referring to them as "overflow facilities". Even AOC called them that.
The Guardian actually ran a piece - in the opinion section.  They did have it on the front page of the site for a bit though.

Biden is locking up migrant children. Will the world still care with Trump gone? (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/24/biden-is-locking-up-migrant-children-will-the-world-still-care-with-trump-gone)

To which the answer is probably, no.
Your belief on caring is to keep allowing coyotes and other human smugglers to keep your  kids a comin...

I can hear you now: "I like kids more than people. Turn my kids loose."
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on March 01, 2021, 10:21:05 AM
What?
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JJA on March 01, 2021, 10:51:41 AM
BWAHAHA!!!

Separated from families is a joke.

When you commit a crime, you get separated from your family.

Not that these kids were being accompanied by their family anyway.

We all know you're a horrible person, no need to keep shoving your lack of empathy and your hate of minorities in our faces.

We get it, ok?

The whole conspiracy bit at the end was just over the top, come on.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: WISHTOLAUGH on March 01, 2021, 11:11:55 AM
BWAHAHA!!!

Separated from families is a joke.

When you commit a crime, you get separated from your family.

Not that these kids were being accompanied by their family anyway.

We all know you're a horrible person, no need to keep shoving your lack of empathy and your hate of minorities in our faces.

We get it, ok?

The whole conspiracy bit at the end was just over the top, come on.
You got squat.

I know your opinion of me and could care less.

You're also an advocate for child trafficking as evidenced by your written posts.

Crossing borders illegally is just that.

Illegal.

You want to throw race in as if it matters what the race is of the person committing the illegal act.

The reason you want to do this is because your argument lacks merit, much like you on the whole.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JJA on March 01, 2021, 01:49:04 PM
BWAHAHA!!!

Separated from families is a joke.

When you commit a crime, you get separated from your family.

Not that these kids were being accompanied by their family anyway.

We all know you're a horrible person, no need to keep shoving your lack of empathy and your hate of minorities in our faces.

We get it, ok?

The whole conspiracy bit at the end was just over the top, come on.
You got squat.

I know your opinion of me and could care less.

You're also an advocate for child trafficking as evidenced by your written posts.

Crossing borders illegally is just that.

Illegal.

You want to throw race in as if it matters what the race is of the person committing the illegal act.

The reason you want to do this is because your argument lacks merit, much like you on the whole.

For someone who doesn't care what I think, you do seem determined to justify your hate for innocent children.

Don't bother trying, everyone knows who you are and what you are.

Advocate for child trafficking?  Projecting again?
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 01, 2021, 03:38:42 PM
Stop feeding him, dingdong.

Also, it is not Biden I am criticizing, it is the media.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JJA on March 01, 2021, 03:43:57 PM
Stop feeding him, dingdong.

Also, it is not Biden I am criticizing, it is the media.

How come you assume I'm feeding him and not the other way around? :)

What is it about the media's reporting in this case that you are criticizing?  Because they are not reporting on Biden not doing terrible things to children?  Still confused.  What should they be saying?
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Themightykabool on March 01, 2021, 03:47:01 PM
Biden sucks incomparison to what couldve been
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JJA on March 01, 2021, 03:56:33 PM
Biden sucks incomparison to what couldve been

Who would you have picked out of curiosity?  I don't think Biden is anything amazing, but he's calm, rational and kind of what we need after Trump. Just a normal guy doing normal things.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 01, 2021, 03:56:51 PM
Stop feeding him, dingdong.

Also, it is not Biden I am criticizing, it is the media.

How come you assume I'm feeding him and not the other way around? :)

What is it about the media's reporting in this case that you are criticizing?  Because they are not reporting on Biden not doing terrible things to children?  Still confused.  What should they be saying?

The kids are still locked up. When they were locked up by a republican administration it was "kids in cages" when it's democrats it's "overflow facility".  You may think the Trump administration was the first to lock them up based on the way the media reported it, but they were in cages when Obama was in office, too.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Stash on March 01, 2021, 04:02:34 PM
Stop feeding him, dingdong.

Also, it is not Biden I am criticizing, it is the media.

How come you assume I'm feeding him and not the other way around? :)

What is it about the media's reporting in this case that you are criticizing?  Because they are not reporting on Biden not doing terrible things to children?  Still confused.  What should they be saying?

The kids are still locked up. When they were locked up by a republican administration it was "kids in cages" when it's democrats it's "overflow facility".  You may think the Trump administration was the first to lock them up based on the way the media reported it, but they were in cages when Obama was in office, too.

Yeah the "kids in cages" was what all the buzz was about, but the actual issue was the family separation bit and how the administration was having a hard time reuniting the kids with parents. How they were having a hard time with it, I have no idea.

Admittedly, the cages shit was overblown.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on March 01, 2021, 04:28:07 PM
Biden sucks incomparison to what couldve been

Who would you have picked out of curiosity?  I don't think Biden is anything amazing, but he's calm, rational and kind of what we need after Trump. Just a normal guy doing normal things.

AOC for El Presidente!
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on March 01, 2021, 04:40:15 PM
The inevitable happens.  The guy who I voted for disappoints me.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/03/01/biden-democrats-foreign-policy-472123

I haven't looked into the Syria thing but giving Mohammed Bone Saw a pass on murdering a journalist really bothers me.  Just walk away from that barbaric nation already.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JJA on March 01, 2021, 04:53:19 PM
Stop feeding him, dingdong.

Also, it is not Biden I am criticizing, it is the media.

How come you assume I'm feeding him and not the other way around? :)

What is it about the media's reporting in this case that you are criticizing?  Because they are not reporting on Biden not doing terrible things to children?  Still confused.  What should they be saying?

The kids are still locked up. When they were locked up by a republican administration it was "kids in cages" when it's democrats it's "overflow facility".  You may think the Trump administration was the first to lock them up based on the way the media reported it, but they were in cages when Obama was in office, too.

There is a difference between a sudden surge of migrants causing an emergency construction of a holding facility where strict limits of 72 hours were enforced and it was shut down once they were able to handle the overflow, and what Trump did with deliberately separating children from their parents as punishment for crossing the border.

Of course the media reported them differently, they were different situations.

As for the kids still being locked up, what do you want from the guy?  Just push all 600 of them over the border and close the door so they aren't locked up any more?  He's reuniting them with their families as fast as he can.  I don't see where all the angst over this is coming from. 

What exactly SHOULD Biden be doing with these kids?
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 01, 2021, 05:20:41 PM
I already told you I wasn't criticizing Biden, you have serious reading comprehension issues.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JJA on March 01, 2021, 05:30:32 PM
I already told you I wasn't criticizing Biden, you have serious reading comprehension issues.

You said that, but this makes it sound like Biden is just as bad as Trump because the "kids are still locked up".

"The kids are still locked up. When they were locked up by a republican administration it was "kids in cages" when it's democrats"

Why should the media use the same words when the situations are completely different?  Are you upset they are not saying Biden is throwing children into cages?  That's just weird.

They aren't going to use the same terms and tone with Biden now, Obama before and when Trump did it because they were all different situations. 
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 01, 2021, 06:36:57 PM
I am not criticizing Biden for this, he's allowing unaccompanied minors into the country but turning away minors who arrive with their parents. I know they have to be kept somewhere to keep them safe from human trafficking, sickness, hunger, etc. My criticism is of the way the media flips the narrative depending on which tribe is in power. Fox News does it all the time, but some of you weirdos get upset when anyone points out that the rest of the media does it too. They are sugarcoating this. Did you know they're going to reopen the same detention center in Homestead, Florida that was in the news in 2019 for child sex abuse? Did you know they're putting kids in tents in Texas? The media doesn't have to suck up to Biden, they just need to do their jobs. If these kids are held in bad conditions (I'm not saying they are) I want the media to report it honestly. Their job is to speak truth to power.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on March 01, 2021, 07:27:16 PM
At one point, the state of Texas belonged to Mexico. America should just make the rest of Mexico part of the United States and then you'd have no more Mexican immigrants!

The best way to deal with illegal migration is not to spend billions locking them up in crappy detention centres but remove the reasons why people want to get out of their country in the first place.

I know America wants to be 'The Greatest' at the expense of its neighbours if it can but that is causing you a lot of problems when people come running to your 'great country'. Put sugar on the table and they will come

Spend the billions helping to eradicate crime and drugs in Mexico and help Mexico 'be great again'. Maybe then the rest of Central America will stop in Mexico because it's so great and the immigrants can be Mexico's problem lol
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on March 01, 2021, 07:54:47 PM
I've always liked the idea of annexing Mexico.  But this is driven from a starcraft mindset. It seems like it's way easier to defend a single chokepoint in Central America than the massive border we have with Mexico.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Themightykabool on March 01, 2021, 11:20:56 PM
Whole thing is stupid.
North and south are massive and resource rich.
Emerging 3rd world would be an economic powerhouse and isolated trade routes and population would upset the china-russian dominance in both buying power and military man power.

Fighting over drugs and latino culture and setting coups is stupid.
Europe has africa which is 500yrs example of civil wars, mini wars, and distrust due to exploitation.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on March 02, 2021, 01:57:57 AM
Spend the billions helping to eradicate crime and drugs in Mexico
That means eradicating drugs in the USA.  Good luck with that.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Themightykabool on March 02, 2021, 02:34:45 AM
When you look at it, the war on drugs was actually a war on the blacks and a means to enslave them in debt, prison labour, and multigenerational disruption of the family unit.
The war on opiods is a "mental health crisis"...

Get the repubs out of office already.
Need an all encompasing american union.
WWIII and climate control will never succeed if usa doesnt pay brazil to stop shredding the rainforests (global carbon tax) and realistically, tropical guerrillas will be very handy against china.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on March 02, 2021, 03:41:01 AM
and realistically, tropical guerrillas will be very handy against china.
??
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 02, 2021, 03:44:17 AM
At one point, the state of Texas belonged to Mexico. America should just make the rest of Mexico part of the United States and then you'd have no more Mexican immigrants!

The best way to deal with illegal migration is not to spend billions locking them up in crappy detention centres but remove the reasons why people want to get out of their country in the first place.

I know America wants to be 'The Greatest' at the expense of its neighbours if it can but that is causing you a lot of problems when people come running to your 'great country'. Put sugar on the table and they will come

Spend the billions helping to eradicate crime and drugs in Mexico and help Mexico 'be great again'. Maybe then the rest of Central America will stop in Mexico because it's so great and the immigrants can be Mexico's problem lol

You are so naive.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on March 02, 2021, 04:00:13 AM
At one point, the state of Texas belonged to Mexico. America should just make the rest of Mexico part of the United States and then you'd have no more Mexican immigrants!

The best way to deal with illegal migration is not to spend billions locking them up in crappy detention centres but remove the reasons why people want to get out of their country in the first place.

I know America wants to be 'The Greatest' at the expense of its neighbours if it can but that is causing you a lot of problems when people come running to your 'great country'. Put sugar on the table and they will come

Spend the billions helping to eradicate crime and drugs in Mexico and help Mexico 'be great again'. Maybe then the rest of Central America will stop in Mexico because it's so great and the immigrants can be Mexico's problem lol

You are so naive.

Lets spend billions bombing other countries to hell and wonder why they want to leave then?
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JJA on March 02, 2021, 04:33:15 AM
I am not criticizing Biden for this, he's allowing unaccompanied minors into the country but turning away minors who arrive with their parents. I know they have to be kept somewhere to keep them safe from human trafficking, sickness, hunger, etc. My criticism is of the way the media flips the narrative depending on which tribe is in power. Fox News does it all the time, but some of you weirdos get upset when anyone points out that the rest of the media does it too. They are sugarcoating this. Did you know they're going to reopen the same detention center in Homestead, Florida that was in the news in 2019 for child sex abuse? Did you know they're putting kids in tents in Texas? The media doesn't have to suck up to Biden, they just need to do their jobs. If these kids are held in bad conditions (I'm not saying they are) I want the media to report it honestly. Their job is to speak truth to power.

The media flips in a lot of ways but is in no way comparable to Fox News.  I remember all the coverage of the drone attacks under Obama, I remember reading plenty of critical things during his years.

The media is reporting on bad things with Biden too. That's how we know about the Florida detention center, because the media is reporting it.

Not saying the media is perfect, it's not.  Not saying they are always unbiased, their not.  But comparing the entire media to Fox Entertainment which is an actual propaganda platform is not at all fair.  Remember, Fox Corporation is legally an entertainment company, and Fox News is just part of them, broadcast on a channel sandwiched in between all their non-news entertainment propaganda.

Look at all the times they went to court to sue for the right to blatantly lie to their own viewers, and force their employees to knowingly lie as well.  It's a world apart from even MSNBC which is the worst of the MSN in my opinion.

They are all bad, but to different degrees.  I trust NPR over MSNBC, and wouldn't ever trust Fox.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 02, 2021, 07:05:04 AM
Spend the billions helping to eradicate crime and drugs in Mexico
That means eradicating drugs in the USA.  Good luck with that.

Srsly, the prison industrial complex can't have that.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Stash on March 02, 2021, 07:10:16 AM
Conversely, how about we give Texas back to Mexico...
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on March 02, 2021, 07:15:15 AM
Spend the billions helping to eradicate crime and drugs in Mexico
That means eradicating drugs in the USA.  Good luck with that.

I reckon if you treat drugs as a health issue and not a crime one, you will get to the bottom of the problem and also eliminate the knock on effects of crime (eg people breaking into homes or stealing to fund their next 'fix'). If the government took care of the supply, every drug dealer/pusher would no longer have a business model.

The 'war on drugs' has gone on for decades and has utterly failed. Even when you take The Philippines approach where many thousands of people are killed every year by the government in extrajudicial killings, it hasn't worked. If America was serious about ending the drug problem or eliminating the power, influence and money from criminal drug cartels (at least within America), they could.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Themightykabool on March 02, 2021, 07:48:25 AM
Biden sucks incomparison to what couldve been

Who would you have picked out of curiosity?  I don't think Biden is anything amazing, but he's calm, rational and kind of what we need after Trump. Just a normal guy doing normal things.

40yrs of normal boring politic things that brought us to the very normal last 4yrs.
Trump really did maga because he exposed it all through sheer stupidity and arrogant disregard to the law.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Themightykabool on March 02, 2021, 07:51:13 AM
Biden sucks incomparison to what couldve been

Who would you have picked out of curiosity?  I don't think Biden is anything amazing, but he's calm, rational and kind of what we need after Trump. Just a normal guy doing normal things.

AOC for El Presidente!

No
Aoc would become the dragon queen from got.

Need a bernie or a franken with a warren for veep.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Themightykabool on March 02, 2021, 07:53:04 AM
and realistically, tropical guerrillas will be very handy against china.
??

China has a lot of wilderness and mountains.
South american guerrilla platoons would be handy.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on March 02, 2021, 08:51:30 AM
and realistically, tropical guerrillas will be very handy against china.
??

China has a lot of wilderness and mountains.
South american guerrilla platoons would be handy.
For what?
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Themightykabool on March 02, 2021, 11:32:40 AM
and realistically, tropical guerrillas will be very handy against china.
??

China has a lot of wilderness and mountains.
South american guerrilla platoons would be handy.
For what?

For fighting the WWIII
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on March 02, 2021, 12:56:52 PM
Is that after the nuclear holocaust? 

Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on March 02, 2021, 04:16:09 PM
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/03/02/neera-tanden-biden-withdraw-472980

It has been very weird to see how hard they were trying to jam her in there.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Pezevenk on March 02, 2021, 11:14:19 PM
and realistically, tropical guerrillas will be very handy against china.
??

China has a lot of wilderness and mountains.
South american guerrilla platoons would be handy.
For what?

For fighting the WWIII
Why are you fighting an imaginary WWIII with China in your head lol
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Themightykabool on March 03, 2021, 04:57:59 AM
Not imaginary.
Future.

China has fortified the sea (see how wwii usa had a tough time getting to japan) with manmade forts.

Challenging india on the mountain.

Long game 20yr plan to take over world manufacturing and obtain high tech/ industrial knowledge and wealth.

20,000,000 men-1 woman due to 1 kid rule.

Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on March 03, 2021, 05:10:32 AM
Not imaginary.
Future.

One where "tropical" south american guerrillas are fighting in the jungles of China?  No, not imaginary at all....

Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Themightykabool on March 03, 2021, 06:43:53 AM
Wwii cropdusters became aces.
Farmees became sharpshooters.
Vietnam did noy fare well for usa that they ended up just carpet burning the forest.
Neither Russia nor usa coudlnt take the afghans on their mountains.
Nazis lost to russia because they werent preppared for winter.

This is just scenario planning.
Yes i "imagine" if we had to go to china and fight, this would be one of the road blocks.

Either way - warning signs is when usa is convinced to leave Skorea for whatever stupid reason, then taiwan and japan are taken out.

Nuclear would be end of world so everyone forced to battle std methods.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 03, 2021, 07:05:13 AM
Has anyone read HR1 yet? I'm going to try to read it later. https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/03/politics/house-democrats-hr1-vote/index.html
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on March 03, 2021, 07:30:34 AM
I've read it.  It's a seriously underrated bill.  But they're definitely going to have to blow up the filibuster to pass it.  There's no way they're getting republican support on this.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: DuckDodgers on March 03, 2021, 09:54:04 AM
I'd be really interested to see an analysis on it to see if it would have any unintended consequences.  This bill sounds like it is badly needed in today's political arena.  Seems like it would be hard to not support something like this without being able to point to some sort of poison pill in it.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on March 03, 2021, 09:57:44 AM
I think one of the provisions was something like the government matching small donor contributions to candidates.

A good idea but I think it might be vulnerable to some kind of fraud.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Stash on March 03, 2021, 10:36:52 AM
I'm reading the bill now. Is there anywhere on the bloody planet one can get a non-partisan breakdown of something like this, or any bill, for that matter? I've looked to the CBO a lot for other acts, but that's more of an economic impact lens more than anything else.

And yeah, it's going to be impossible to get GOP support when the bill kicks things off with: Subtitle A—Voter Registration Modernization. Provisions to make registering and voting easier. That right there is anathema to the right.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on March 03, 2021, 11:15:02 AM
Mostly I think the question is does this bill increase voter participation without introducing a serious risk of fraud. I believe the answer is yes. I think this bill probably reduces the risk of fraud. One of the provisions is a paper receipt requirement for voting machines.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Lorddave on March 03, 2021, 09:35:22 PM
Does it make voting day a federal holiday?
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on March 03, 2021, 11:27:03 PM
I believe I recall reading that in the bill.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on March 04, 2021, 12:13:29 AM
Mostly I think the question is does this bill increase voter participation without introducing a serious risk of fraud. I believe the answer is yes. I think this bill probably reduces the risk of fraud. One of the provisions is a paper receipt requirement for voting machines.

Voter suppression is a form of election rigging. We know how 'concerned' repugnicans are about rigging so anything which helps voter participation they should be well on board with. If the repugnicans are worth their salt I predict a smooth sailing of this bill

Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on March 04, 2021, 06:53:53 AM
Yes but they're deeply opposed to anything that makes it easier to vote.  They're also using the Obama years strategy of voting against everything the democrats bring up without exception.  So I expect space laser lady to show up to work with a suicide vest to stop this bill.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Stash on March 04, 2021, 09:25:48 AM
I believe I recall reading that in the bill.

Correct. It's in an amendment to the bill:

"SEC. 1909. ELECTION DAY AS LEGAL PUBLIC HOLIDAY."

About time if you ask me.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Lorddave on March 04, 2021, 09:36:49 AM
I believe I recall reading that in the bill.

Bout fucking time.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Jamie on March 04, 2021, 10:31:26 AM
20,000,000 men-1 woman due to 1 kid rule.

Do you mean to tell me that there are only 70 women in China?

1,400,000,000 / 20,000,000 = 70
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 04, 2021, 12:04:26 PM
I think kabool failed math equity.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Themightykabool on March 04, 2021, 12:54:16 PM
I think kabool failed math equity.

haha ya...
no that's not a ratio
that's an excess.
minus
not divide.
maybe i shouldv'e used a + to make it more clear
either way
20M guys
that's a lot
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Jamie on March 04, 2021, 01:28:27 PM
haha ya...
no that's not a ratio
that's an excess.
minus
not divide.
maybe i shouldv'e used a + to make it more clear
either way
20M guys
that's a lot

What? Is that an attempt at poetry?
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: markjo on March 04, 2021, 01:32:56 PM
haha ya...
no that's not a ratio
that's an excess.
minus
not divide.
maybe i shouldv'e used a + to make it more clear
either way
20M guys
that's a lot

What? Is that an attempt at poetry?
Extended haiku?
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on March 04, 2021, 01:41:53 PM
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/03/04/senate-biden-covid-relief-debate-473617

Here we see a preview of the next 4-8 years.  There's this covid relief bill that's extremely popular with both republicans and democrats.  It may have played a role in the republicans losing Georgia in January.  Yet the republicans are fighting this tooth and nail.  Not a single vote in either the house or the senate from them. 
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Lorddave on March 04, 2021, 02:21:44 PM
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/03/04/senate-biden-covid-relief-debate-473617

Here we see a preview of the next 4-8 years.  There's this covid relief bill that's extremely popular with both republicans and democrats.  It may have played a role in the republicans losing Georgia in January.  Yet the republicans are fighting this tooth and nail.  Not a single vote in either the house or the senate from them.

Yeah.  Its basically Obama 2: More of the same.
They know they can't win so they'll just stall tactics so they can point to it and say "See?  We hate the Dems too and are doing everything we can to fight them on this bill which we hate only because they love it and/or are supporting it."

Its purely political theater.  Especially since they agreed to limit who can get the stimulus checks, which I am in agreement on.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: DuckDodgers on March 05, 2021, 06:02:47 AM
I can sort of understand the Republican delays on the onset, the bill was put forward without giving anyone time to read it.  It's a 600+ page bill and could very well have some unintended things in the bill.  It needs to be reviewed before voted on.  That said, I fully understand that they are going to go way beyond just that and try to stall it with poison pill amendments, which is ridiculous.

I also don't like Bernie's idea of trying to include a minimum wage hike in the bill as well.  Let's get the relief passed and allow for the wage hike to be argued on its own merits.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Definitely Not Swedish on March 05, 2021, 06:17:01 AM
Quote
Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) immediately forced the Senate clerk to read all 628 pages of the Senate substitute. Within just a few minutes of his request, the Senate emptied out. Johnson paced around the chamber and at one point was briefly spelled by Sen. Cindy Hyde-Smith (R-Miss.).

Johnson or another Republican needs to stay on the floor to prevent Democrats from expediting the process. Unless the GOP backs down or leaves the floor unguarded, reading the entire bill could take well into Friday. Then Republicans can use up to 20 hours of debate time, and then force unlimited amendment votes if they so choose.

"Historically what’s happened is ... we offer a couple of hundred amendments on the Republican side," Johnson said. "And we get a couple of dozen voted on, and people tire out. I’m coming up with a process that keeps people from tiring out. I’m getting sign-ups. I’m laying out a three-shift schedule."
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/03/04/senate-biden-covid-relief-debate-473617

This is undeniable, 100% proof that every republican voter is a complete and utter retard.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Themightykabool on March 05, 2021, 07:00:02 AM
Buster Phillips says what?
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on March 05, 2021, 07:50:42 AM
I can sort of understand the Republican delays on the onset, the bill was put forward without giving anyone time to read it.  It's a 600+ page bill and could very well have some unintended things in the bill.  It needs to be reviewed before voted on.  That said, I fully understand that they are going to go way beyond just that and try to stall it with poison pill amendments, which is ridiculous.

I also don't like Bernie's idea of trying to include a minimum wage hike in the bill as well.  Let's get the relief passed and allow for the wage hike to be argued on its own merits.

I can see the issue of the minimum wage being very adjacent to Covid. The workers making minimum wage were the ones lost affected. It does seem a little out of place.

But in general minimum wage seems like a hack job. I feel that we'd be better off getting rid of the minimum wage altogether and replacing it with some kind of ubi.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JJA on March 05, 2021, 08:04:20 AM
I can sort of understand the Republican delays on the onset, the bill was put forward without giving anyone time to read it.  It's a 600+ page bill and could very well have some unintended things in the bill.  It needs to be reviewed before voted on.  That said, I fully understand that they are going to go way beyond just that and try to stall it with poison pill amendments, which is ridiculous.

I also don't like Bernie's idea of trying to include a minimum wage hike in the bill as well.  Let's get the relief passed and allow for the wage hike to be argued on its own merits.

I can see the issue of the minimum wage being very adjacent to Covid. The workers making minimum wage were the ones lost affected. It does seem a little out of place.

But in general minimum wage seems like a hack job. I feel that we'd be better off getting rid of the minimum wage altogether and replacing it with some kind of ubi.

I'm all for that.  The reason we have such massive wealth inequity is because as jobs are replaced by automation, all the savings go to the CEOs and higher level management, the workers just watch their wages continue to shrink from inflation.

The Unites Staes as an example is VASTLY more productive than it was 50 years ago, but none of the rewards for that productivity have been given to the people doing the work.

Wages have stagnated.

We need either a minimum wage increase or a ubi.  Otherwise companies will continue to pay as little as they can, which is what they do, and we will continue to create an ever increasing class of the working poor and wealthier and wealthier billionares.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: DuckDodgers on March 05, 2021, 08:09:16 AM
I can sort of understand the Republican delays on the onset, the bill was put forward without giving anyone time to read it.  It's a 600+ page bill and could very well have some unintended things in the bill.  It needs to be reviewed before voted on.  That said, I fully understand that they are going to go way beyond just that and try to stall it with poison pill amendments, which is ridiculous.

I also don't like Bernie's idea of trying to include a minimum wage hike in the bill as well.  Let's get the relief passed and allow for the wage hike to be argued on its own merits.

I can see the issue of the minimum wage being very adjacent to Covid. The workers making minimum wage were the ones lost affected. It does seem a little out of place.

But in general minimum wage seems like a hack job. I feel that we'd be better off getting rid of the minimum wage altogether and replacing it with some kind of ubi.
Honestly, I think whether we keep minimum wage but at a higher spot, living wage, or even ubi, we run into the same problem where a dollar in California or New York just doesn't go as far as a dollar in Mississippi or Alabama.  It's hard to make a one size fits all bill for the entire country without either doing nothing for the high end or potentially ruining the low end states.  Regardless, something needs to be done as the minimum wage hasn't changed in 15 years.

I do see where minimum wage could be argued to be tied to COVID relief in a very roundabout way.  But it's just not necessary to tie the two together when the stimulus payment isn't tied to a % value of the minimum wage nor is the minimum wage directly effected by COVID.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: DuckDodgers on March 05, 2021, 08:17:02 AM
I can sort of understand the Republican delays on the onset, the bill was put forward without giving anyone time to read it.  It's a 600+ page bill and could very well have some unintended things in the bill.  It needs to be reviewed before voted on.  That said, I fully understand that they are going to go way beyond just that and try to stall it with poison pill amendments, which is ridiculous.

I also don't like Bernie's idea of trying to include a minimum wage hike in the bill as well.  Let's get the relief passed and allow for the wage hike to be argued on its own merits.

I can see the issue of the minimum wage being very adjacent to Covid. The workers making minimum wage were the ones lost affected. It does seem a little out of place.

But in general minimum wage seems like a hack job. I feel that we'd be better off getting rid of the minimum wage altogether and replacing it with some kind of ubi.

I'm all for that.  The reason we have such massive wealth inequity is because as jobs are replaced by automation, all the savings go to the CEOs and higher level management, the workers just watch their wages continue to shrink from inflation.

The Unites Staes as an example is VASTLY more productive than it was 50 years ago, but none of the rewards for that productivity have been given to the people doing the work.

Wages have stagnated.

We need either a minimum wage increase or a ubi.  Otherwise companies will continue to pay as little as they can, which is what they do, and we will continue to create an ever increasing class of the working poor and wealthier and wealthier billionares.
I've been saying for a long time that there needs to be a measure of profit sharing which is encouraged as a way to fix the wealth inequality problem.  Tie it to business taxes, set business taxes to a very high level like 75 or 80% on something like $250 million.  Building in tax credits that businesses can take advantage of if they meet measures, like top executive pay ratio to lowest worker pay to something like 30:1 and include all forms of payment so stock options aren't a hidden payment method.  Allow companies that meet this measure to reduce their tax liability to 30%.  Give an incentive for companies to pump their profits into their workers again instead of only appeasing investors and top executives.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: WISHTOLAUGH on March 05, 2021, 08:58:51 AM
I can sort of understand the Republican delays on the onset, the bill was put forward without giving anyone time to read it.  It's a 600+ page bill and could very well have some unintended things in the bill.  It needs to be reviewed before voted on.  That said, I fully understand that they are going to go way beyond just that and try to stall it with poison pill amendments, which is ridiculous.

I also don't like Bernie's idea of trying to include a minimum wage hike in the bill as well.  Let's get the relief passed and allow for the wage hike to be argued on its own merits.

I can see the issue of the minimum wage being very adjacent to Covid. The workers making minimum wage were the ones lost affected. It does seem a little out of place.

But in general minimum wage seems like a hack job. I feel that we'd be better off getting rid of the minimum wage altogether and replacing it with some kind of ubi.

I'm all for that.  The reason we have such massive wealth inequity is because as jobs are replaced by automation, all the savings go to the CEOs and higher level management, the workers just watch their wages continue to shrink from inflation.

The Unites Staes as an example is VASTLY more productive than it was 50 years ago, but none of the rewards for that productivity have been given to the people doing the work.

Wages have stagnated.

We need either a minimum wage increase or a ubi.  Otherwise companies will continue to pay as little as they can, which is what they do, and we will continue to create an ever increasing class of the working poor and wealthier and wealthier billionares.
What is wrong with wealthy billionaires?
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: WISHTOLAUGH on March 05, 2021, 09:22:45 AM
I can sort of understand the Republican delays on the onset, the bill was put forward without giving anyone time to read it.  It's a 600+ page bill and could very well have some unintended things in the bill.  It needs to be reviewed before voted on.  That said, I fully understand that they are going to go way beyond just that and try to stall it with poison pill amendments, which is ridiculous.

I also don't like Bernie's idea of trying to include a minimum wage hike in the bill as well.  Let's get the relief passed and allow for the wage hike to be argued on its own merits.

I can see the issue of the minimum wage being very adjacent to Covid. The workers making minimum wage were the ones lost affected. It does seem a little out of place.

But in general minimum wage seems like a hack job. I feel that we'd be better off getting rid of the minimum wage altogether and replacing it with some kind of ubi.
Honestly, I think whether we keep minimum wage but at a higher spot, living wage, or even ubi, we run into the same problem where a dollar in California or New York just doesn't go as far as a dollar in Mississippi or Alabama.  It's hard to make a one size fits all bill for the entire country without either doing nothing for the high end or potentially ruining the low end states.  Regardless, something needs to be done as the minimum wage hasn't changed in 15 years.

I do see where minimum wage could be argued to be tied to COVID relief in a very roundabout way.  But it's just not necessary to tie the two together when the stimulus payment isn't tied to a % value of the minimum wage nor is the minimum wage directly effected by COVID.
The thing that needs to be done is that lazy bastards need to stop bitchin about what somebody owes them just because of reasons.

If you notice it is your liberal heroes like Bush the 1st, Clinton, Bush the 2nd, Obama, and Trump that have sold us down the river.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Stash on March 05, 2021, 09:52:17 AM
I can sort of understand the Republican delays on the onset, the bill was put forward without giving anyone time to read it.  It's a 600+ page bill and could very well have some unintended things in the bill.  It needs to be reviewed before voted on.  That said, I fully understand that they are going to go way beyond just that and try to stall it with poison pill amendments, which is ridiculous.

I also don't like Bernie's idea of trying to include a minimum wage hike in the bill as well.  Let's get the relief passed and allow for the wage hike to be argued on its own merits.

I can see the issue of the minimum wage being very adjacent to Covid. The workers making minimum wage were the ones lost affected. It does seem a little out of place.

But in general minimum wage seems like a hack job. I feel that we'd be better off getting rid of the minimum wage altogether and replacing it with some kind of ubi.
Honestly, I think whether we keep minimum wage but at a higher spot, living wage, or even ubi, we run into the same problem where a dollar in California or New York just doesn't go as far as a dollar in Mississippi or Alabama.  It's hard to make a one size fits all bill for the entire country without either doing nothing for the high end or potentially ruining the low end states.  Regardless, something needs to be done as the minimum wage hasn't changed in 15 years.

I do see where minimum wage could be argued to be tied to COVID relief in a very roundabout way.  But it's just not necessary to tie the two together when the stimulus payment isn't tied to a % value of the minimum wage nor is the minimum wage directly effected by COVID.
The thing that needs to be done is that lazy bastards need to stop bitchin about what somebody owes them just because of reasons.

If you notice it is your liberal heroes like Bush the 1st, Clinton, Bush the 2nd, Obama, and Trump that have sold us down the river.

I didn't know that Bush the 1st, Bush the 2nd, and Trump were liberals. Are you so far right that you've dropped off the scale?
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JJA on March 05, 2021, 10:04:28 AM
I can sort of understand the Republican delays on the onset, the bill was put forward without giving anyone time to read it.  It's a 600+ page bill and could very well have some unintended things in the bill.  It needs to be reviewed before voted on.  That said, I fully understand that they are going to go way beyond just that and try to stall it with poison pill amendments, which is ridiculous.

I also don't like Bernie's idea of trying to include a minimum wage hike in the bill as well.  Let's get the relief passed and allow for the wage hike to be argued on its own merits.

I can see the issue of the minimum wage being very adjacent to Covid. The workers making minimum wage were the ones lost affected. It does seem a little out of place.

But in general minimum wage seems like a hack job. I feel that we'd be better off getting rid of the minimum wage altogether and replacing it with some kind of ubi.

I'm all for that.  The reason we have such massive wealth inequity is because as jobs are replaced by automation, all the savings go to the CEOs and higher level management, the workers just watch their wages continue to shrink from inflation.

The Unites Staes as an example is VASTLY more productive than it was 50 years ago, but none of the rewards for that productivity have been given to the people doing the work.

Wages have stagnated.

We need either a minimum wage increase or a ubi.  Otherwise companies will continue to pay as little as they can, which is what they do, and we will continue to create an ever increasing class of the working poor and wealthier and wealthier billionares.
What is wrong with wealthy billionaires?

When their wealth comes at the expense of the average worker who has to struggle because the CEO is making millions.

Duh.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on March 05, 2021, 10:12:55 AM
Lets not forget that the rich would be better off with a well off working class. It makes little sense to impoverish large sections of society. The very section most likely to spend and prop up the economy

I think we can all agree that the trickle down economics have failed. All the arguments made for giving big business massive tax breaks because they will reinvest and employ more people or give out pay rises etc is complete BS.

You can only widen the gap between rich and poor for so long before society unravels because the poor cant keep up with the inflation
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Themightykabool on March 05, 2021, 12:14:26 PM
I can sort of understand the Republican delays on the onset, the bill was put forward without giving anyone time to read it.  It's a 600+ page bill and could very well have some unintended things in the bill.  It needs to be reviewed before voted on.  That said, I fully understand that they are going to go way beyond just that and try to stall it with poison pill amendments, which is ridiculous.

I also don't like Bernie's idea of trying to include a minimum wage hike in the bill as well.  Let's get the relief passed and allow for the wage hike to be argued on its own merits.

I can see the issue of the minimum wage being very adjacent to Covid. The workers making minimum wage were the ones lost affected. It does seem a little out of place.

But in general minimum wage seems like a hack job. I feel that we'd be better off getting rid of the minimum wage altogether and replacing it with some kind of ubi.
Honestly, I think whether we keep minimum wage but at a higher spot, living wage, or even ubi, we run into the same problem where a dollar in California or New York just doesn't go as far as a dollar in Mississippi or Alabama.  It's hard to make a one size fits all bill for the entire country without either doing nothing for the high end or potentially ruining the low end states.  Regardless, something needs to be done as the minimum wage hasn't changed in 15 years.

I do see where minimum wage could be argued to be tied to COVID relief in a very roundabout way.  But it's just not necessary to tie the two together when the stimulus payment isn't tied to a % value of the minimum wage nor is the minimum wage directly effected by COVID.
The thing that needs to be done is that lazy bastards need to stop bitchin about what somebody owes them just because of reasons.

If you notice it is your liberal heroes like Bush the 1st, Clinton, Bush the 2nd, Obama, and Trump that have sold us down the river.

Yes
I agree... unless youre NOT saying that billionaires keep making up stupid reasons not to pay people and go to such lengths as to squash unions (which were only created due to poor management), pay thinktanks and media to try to convince people they dont need to be paid.
Because i hear a lot of bitching and whining from the billionaires.

And yes
I agree (not in the labels) but that 40-50yrs of legal bribery have corrupted the usa govt and sold the people and land out for generations to the big corp.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on March 06, 2021, 07:29:22 AM
I can sort of understand the Republican delays on the onset, the bill was put forward without giving anyone time to read it.  It's a 600+ page bill and could very well have some unintended things in the bill.  It needs to be reviewed before voted on.  That said, I fully understand that they are going to go way beyond just that and try to stall it with poison pill amendments, which is ridiculous.

I also don't like Bernie's idea of trying to include a minimum wage hike in the bill as well.  Let's get the relief passed and allow for the wage hike to be argued on its own merits.

I can see the issue of the minimum wage being very adjacent to Covid. The workers making minimum wage were the ones lost affected. It does seem a little out of place.

But in general minimum wage seems like a hack job. I feel that we'd be better off getting rid of the minimum wage altogether and replacing it with some kind of ubi.

I'm all for that.  The reason we have such massive wealth inequity is because as jobs are replaced by automation, all the savings go to the CEOs and higher level management, the workers just watch their wages continue to shrink from inflation.

The Unites Staes as an example is VASTLY more productive than it was 50 years ago, but none of the rewards for that productivity have been given to the people doing the work.

Wages have stagnated.

We need either a minimum wage increase or a ubi.  Otherwise companies will continue to pay as little as they can, which is what they do, and we will continue to create an ever increasing class of the working poor and wealthier and wealthier billionares.
What is wrong with wealthy billionaires?
Personally I prefer the non-wealthy ones.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: WISHTOLAUGH on March 10, 2021, 04:19:20 AM
I can sort of understand the Republican delays on the onset, the bill was put forward without giving anyone time to read it.  It's a 600+ page bill and could very well have some unintended things in the bill.  It needs to be reviewed before voted on.  That said, I fully understand that they are going to go way beyond just that and try to stall it with poison pill amendments, which is ridiculous.

I also don't like Bernie's idea of trying to include a minimum wage hike in the bill as well.  Let's get the relief passed and allow for the wage hike to be argued on its own merits.

I can see the issue of the minimum wage being very adjacent to Covid. The workers making minimum wage were the ones lost affected. It does seem a little out of place.

But in general minimum wage seems like a hack job. I feel that we'd be better off getting rid of the minimum wage altogether and replacing it with some kind of ubi.

I'm all for that.  The reason we have such massive wealth inequity is because as jobs are replaced by automation, all the savings go to the CEOs and higher level management, the workers just watch their wages continue to shrink from inflation.

The Unites Staes as an example is VASTLY more productive than it was 50 years ago, but none of the rewards for that productivity have been given to the people doing the work.

Wages have stagnated.

We need either a minimum wage increase or a ubi.  Otherwise companies will continue to pay as little as they can, which is what they do, and we will continue to create an ever increasing class of the working poor and wealthier and wealthier billionares.
What is wrong with wealthy billionaires?

When their wealth comes at the expense of the average worker who has to struggle because the CEO is making millions.

Duh.
How do you derive your wealth?

Duh.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: WISHTOLAUGH on March 10, 2021, 04:21:11 AM
Lets not forget that the rich would be better off with a well off working class. It makes little sense to impoverish large sections of society. The very section most likely to spend and prop up the economy

I think we can all agree that the trickle down economics have failed. All the arguments made for giving big business massive tax breaks because they will reinvest and employ more people or give out pay rises etc is complete BS.

You can only widen the gap between rich and poor for so long before society unravels because the poor cant keep up with the inflation
You act as if the gap is widening is a bad thing.

Why is it a bad thing?
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on March 10, 2021, 05:11:56 AM
Lets not forget that the rich would be better off with a well off working class. It makes little sense to impoverish large sections of society. The very section most likely to spend and prop up the economy

I think we can all agree that the trickle down economics have failed. All the arguments made for giving big business massive tax breaks because they will reinvest and employ more people or give out pay rises etc is complete BS.

You can only widen the gap between rich and poor for so long before society unravels because the poor cant keep up with the inflation
You act as if the gap is widening is a bad thing.

Why is it a bad thing?

Widened gap means many more people under the poverty line. You'll have an entire generation unable to afford their own homes, unable to afford transport or buy much of the stuff out there that helps the economy ticking over such as renovating or furnishing homes. Not to mention impoverished people have poorer health and education outcomes and increased crime and possibly domestic violence. In some sectors, this will end up hurting the rich at some point because when too many people are priced out of markets (eg housing), the bubble bursts.

If your minimum wage goes beyond unlivable, why the hell are people going to work their arse off? Why would the person spend all day serving customers, flipping burgers, stacking shelves or driving trucks if the money the collect isn't worth the time because inflation has made that money near worthless?

You're better off with a middle class sitting comfortably and able to have disposable income to spend. Not poor people who cant spend and what money they do get, ends up saved rather than spent

Not sure why you want to live in a country that has a massive impoverishment problem, but then, you are only a troll.

An example of why inflation hurts the lower end more than the upper end
Employees get a yearly pay increase. My job gave a 2% pay rise. Great ::) Inflations only 3% lol. However at the same time you get the pay increase, the site you work at decides to bump up the parking fees by an amount that wipes your pay increase out. At the same time the government increases your rates by 3-4%, The electricity, gas, water bills also go up by a similar percent. Your food, fuel etc, increased. Phone, internet, increased. You put all these together and every year, millions of people (not just lower class) end up with less disposable income. This has led (in Australia) a stagnated economy, even pre covid. Every year you have a plethora of businesses close up or go into 'administration' because people just aren't spending anymore. So currently the middle classes are okay because they can still buy all the essentials. They just aren't buying much of anything else even if they can afford it. Saving money or dumping it into their mortgages to pay off the debt quicker is the rage

Americas $7.25 an hour minimum wage is a joke given your cost of living. Especially as it has not increased since 2009! But then, rich people aren't always smart people. Capitalism also depends on a section of the population being poor so they can be uber rich. Worried that if you give poor people money that inflation skyrockets and they have to dip into the billions of dollars to pay an extra $1 for a bottle of milk or loaf of bread
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: WISHTOLAUGH on March 10, 2021, 05:51:47 AM
Lets not forget that the rich would be better off with a well off working class. It makes little sense to impoverish large sections of society. The very section most likely to spend and prop up the economy

I think we can all agree that the trickle down economics have failed. All the arguments made for giving big business massive tax breaks because they will reinvest and employ more people or give out pay rises etc is complete BS.

You can only widen the gap between rich and poor for so long before society unravels because the poor cant keep up with the inflation
You act as if the gap is widening is a bad thing.

Why is it a bad thing?

Widened gap means many more people under the poverty line. You'll have an entire generation unable to afford their own homes, unable to afford transport or buy much of the stuff out there that helps the economy ticking over such as renovating or furnishing homes. Not to mention impoverished people have poorer health and education outcomes and increased crime and possibly domestic violence. In some sectors, this will end up hurting the rich at some point because when too many people are priced out of markets (eg housing), the bubble bursts.

If your minimum wage goes beyond unlivable, why the hell are people going to work their arse off? Why would the person spend all day serving customers, flipping burgers, stacking shelves or driving trucks if the money the collect isn't worth the time because inflation has made that money near worthless?

You're better off with a middle class sitting comfortably and able to have disposable income to spend. Not poor people who cant spend and what money they do get, ends up saved rather than spent

Not sure why you want to live in a country that has a massive impoverishment problem, but then, you are only a troll.

An example of why inflation hurts the lower end more than the upper end
Employees get a yearly pay increase. My job gave a 2% pay rise. Great ::) Inflations only 3% lol. However at the same time you get the pay increase, the site you work at decides to bump up the parking fees by an amount that wipes your pay increase out. At the same time the government increases your rates by 3-4%, The electricity, gas, water bills also go up by a similar percent. Your food, fuel etc, increased. Phone, internet, increased. You put all these together and every year, millions of people (not just lower class) end up with less disposable income. This has led (in Australia) a stagnated economy, even pre covid. Every year you have a plethora of businesses close up or go into 'administration' because people just aren't spending anymore. So currently the middle classes are okay because they can still buy all the essentials. They just aren't buying much of anything else even if they can afford it. Saving money or dumping it into their mortgages to pay off the debt quicker is the rage

Americas $7.25 an hour minimum wage is a joke given your cost of living. Especially as it has not increased since 2009! But then, rich people aren't always smart people. Capitalism also depends on a section of the population being poor so they can be uber rich. Worried that if you give poor people money that inflation skyrockets and they have to dip into the billions of dollars to pay an extra $1 for a bottle of milk or loaf of bread
America doesn't have an impoverishment problem.

Individual people have an impoverishment problem.

America is the greatest country on the face of the earth and has been for quite a long time.

People are doing everything possible to come here and live.

Take your bullshit and shove it back up your ignorant ass.

Ignorant dicks like you are why the world cannot get ahead. If the rest of the world could get ahead, then maybe people would not be risking their lives to come live by my house, rather than yours.

You cannot claim too want more money and then decry people who not only want more money but have the ability to get it.

You're just whining because you suck at getting money, pretty much everything else too, but that is a different topic.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: WISHTOLAUGH on March 10, 2021, 05:54:22 AM
I can sort of understand the Republican delays on the onset, the bill was put forward without giving anyone time to read it.  It's a 600+ page bill and could very well have some unintended things in the bill.  It needs to be reviewed before voted on.  That said, I fully understand that they are going to go way beyond just that and try to stall it with poison pill amendments, which is ridiculous.

I also don't like Bernie's idea of trying to include a minimum wage hike in the bill as well.  Let's get the relief passed and allow for the wage hike to be argued on its own merits.

I can see the issue of the minimum wage being very adjacent to Covid. The workers making minimum wage were the ones lost affected. It does seem a little out of place.

But in general minimum wage seems like a hack job. I feel that we'd be better off getting rid of the minimum wage altogether and replacing it with some kind of ubi.
Honestly, I think whether we keep minimum wage but at a higher spot, living wage, or even ubi, we run into the same problem where a dollar in California or New York just doesn't go as far as a dollar in Mississippi or Alabama.  It's hard to make a one size fits all bill for the entire country without either doing nothing for the high end or potentially ruining the low end states.  Regardless, something needs to be done as the minimum wage hasn't changed in 15 years.

I do see where minimum wage could be argued to be tied to COVID relief in a very roundabout way.  But it's just not necessary to tie the two together when the stimulus payment isn't tied to a % value of the minimum wage nor is the minimum wage directly effected by COVID.
The thing that needs to be done is that lazy bastards need to stop bitchin about what somebody owes them just because of reasons.

If you notice it is your liberal heroes like Bush the 1st, Clinton, Bush the 2nd, Obama, and Trump that have sold us down the river.

I didn't know that Bush the 1st, Bush the 2nd, and Trump were liberals. Are you so far right that you've dropped off the scale?
All lifelong Democrats who merely rebranded, a favorite tool of Democratic Socialists, by the way. Which means Nazi, of course, in case you didn't realize.

How can you be so obtuse? Is it purposeful?
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on March 10, 2021, 05:57:01 AM
America is the greatest country on the face of the earth and has been for quite a long time.

I dont need to WISHTOLAUGH at this dumbarse comment. I DO!

HAHAHAHA!

Propaganda really does work given the BS you believe
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: WISHTOLAUGH on March 10, 2021, 05:58:24 AM
America is the greatest country on the face of the earth and has been for quite a long time.

I dont need to WISHTOLAUGH at this dumbarse comment. I DO!

HAHAHAHA!

Propaganda really does work given the BS you believe
Propaganda my ass.

More people have emigrated to America than any other country in history.

That's a fact, you moran.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: markjo on March 10, 2021, 06:18:28 AM
Lets not forget that the rich would be better off with a well off working class. It makes little sense to impoverish large sections of society. The very section most likely to spend and prop up the economy

I think we can all agree that the trickle down economics have failed. All the arguments made for giving big business massive tax breaks because they will reinvest and employ more people or give out pay rises etc is complete BS.

You can only widen the gap between rich and poor for so long before society unravels because the poor cant keep up with the inflation
You act as if the gap is widening is a bad thing.

Why is it a bad thing?
That depends on which side of the gap you're on.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on March 10, 2021, 07:59:07 AM
America is the greatest country on the face of the earth and has been for quite a long time.

I dont need to WISHTOLAUGH at this dumbarse comment. I DO!

HAHAHAHA!

Propaganda really does work given the BS you believe
Propaganda my ass.

More people have emigrated to America than any other country in history.

That's a fact, you moran.

And the largest chunk of those by far are from Central and South America followed by China and India..... That's a pretty low bar to set yourself. 30% of your immigrants come from Mexico alone lol

How many emigrants are from comparable first world nations I wonder? In Australia, the dominant group of immigrants come from the U.K. For you guys, it's Mexico. Yeah, OK ::)

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/top-sending-countries-immigrants-australia-canada-and-united-states

Pay close attention to the table which outlines the breakdown of the immigration by country. For Australia, it's UK, then New Zealand, then China. We even nab a few Italians and Greeks in there

For America (lol) You have Mexians, Indians, Phillippines, China, Vietnam, El Salvador, Cuba and then finally a complete developed and advanced nation like Korea

If you want to boast about being better than countries like Mexico or India, be my guest ::) The real test is whether you can nab people from countries that are in a similar state of development and wealth. if you attracted the likes of Canada and the UK, I'd be impressed.

You also entice people with H1B visas because your countries education system is so shit you cant afford or have the intelligence to educate your citizens on your own

I think you over estimate just how much people outside your country, love your country..... Certainly here, no one is envious. And certainly not after 'Trump'. He hung shit all over your guys international reputation. Your country is looked at as a far right wing haven joke. You guys may have been great in the past, but those days are looking far behind you. I dont think Biden will make it great again. It might take a generation and for social media to go the way of 'MySpace' before that happens
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Lorddave on March 10, 2021, 08:22:33 AM
America has an interesting method for ensuring high work with low pay: risk of joblessness.

The idea of "If you don't work hard for this small amount, you'll be fired right now." Is alot of motivation.  America motivates with fear, not reward.  'Tis the American way.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: WISHTOLAUGH on March 10, 2021, 08:29:59 AM
Lets not forget that the rich would be better off with a well off working class. It makes little sense to impoverish large sections of society. The very section most likely to spend and prop up the economy

I think we can all agree that the trickle down economics have failed. All the arguments made for giving big business massive tax breaks because they will reinvest and employ more people or give out pay rises etc is complete BS.

You can only widen the gap between rich and poor for so long before society unravels because the poor cant keep up with the inflation
You act as if the gap is widening is a bad thing.

Why is it a bad thing?
That depends on which side of the gap you're on.
Why would it matter to either side?

The fact is this: If you took all the money in the world and divided it equally among everybody, in seven days the people who had the most money before will have the most money again.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on March 10, 2021, 08:33:07 AM
America has an interesting method for ensuring high work with low pay: risk of joblessness.

The idea of "If you don't work hard for this small amount, you'll be fired right now." Is alot of motivation.  America motivates with fear, not reward.  'Tis the American way.

Although at some point, the money to real world cost of living will be so insignificant, there would be little point in working. If the gap keeps widening you have to wonder if slaves back in Roman days would probably have had it better.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: WISHTOLAUGH on March 10, 2021, 08:33:12 AM
America is the greatest country on the face of the earth and has been for quite a long time.

I dont need to WISHTOLAUGH at this dumbarse comment. I DO!

HAHAHAHA!

Propaganda really does work given the BS you believe
Propaganda my ass.

More people have emigrated to America than any other country in history.

That's a fact, you moran.

And the largest chunk of those by far are from Central and South America followed by China and India..... That's a pretty low bar to set yourself. 30% of your immigrants come from Mexico alone lol
Shifter, racist against brown people.
How many emigrants are from comparable first world nations I wonder? In Australia, the dominant group of immigrants come from the U.K. For you guys, it's Mexico. Yeah, OK ::)
Your emigrants were forced there because they were criminal shitbags from the UK. Started that way and has always been that way.
Certainly here, no one is envious.
They're envious enough to want everything we have, obviously.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: WISHTOLAUGH on March 10, 2021, 08:34:52 AM
America has an interesting method for ensuring high work with low pay: risk of joblessness.

The idea of "If you don't work hard for this small amount, you'll be fired right now." Is alot of motivation.  America motivates with fear, not reward.  'Tis the American way.
As if working at McDonald's is hard work.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on March 10, 2021, 09:07:35 AM
America is the greatest country on the face of the earth and has been for quite a long time.

I dont need to WISHTOLAUGH at this dumbarse comment. I DO!

HAHAHAHA!

Propaganda really does work given the BS you believe
Propaganda my ass.

More people have emigrated to America than any other country in history.

That's a fact, you moran.

And the largest chunk of those by far are from Central and South America followed by China and India..... That's a pretty low bar to set yourself. 30% of your immigrants come from Mexico alone lol
Shifter, racist against brown people.
How many emigrants are from comparable first world nations I wonder? In Australia, the dominant group of immigrants come from the U.K. For you guys, it's Mexico. Yeah, OK ::)
Your emigrants were forced there because they were criminal shitbags from the UK. Started that way and has always been that way.
Certainly here, no one is envious.
They're envious enough to want everything we have, obviously.

We are talking recent history dumbarse. Although Australia even back as far as the 1830s had increasing amounts of 'free settlers' as opposed to convicts

America has an interesting method for ensuring high work with low pay: risk of joblessness.

The idea of "If you don't work hard for this small amount, you'll be fired right now." Is alot of motivation.  America motivates with fear, not reward.  'Tis the American way.
As if working at McDonald's is hard work.

Imagine doing the same shit in hot greasy conditions on a constant mad rush all day with a supervisor constantly on your arse pushing you to whats not possible and your only break from the kitchen is dealing with shitty customers.

Now imagine the public servant in an air conditioned office who hardly does a thing in a day but takes home 10x the income.

Why dont we read something from someone who was in the business to see if its hard work rather than listen to your ill informed trolling. Maybe you should read it too. Might open your eyes as to how shitty the work and the conditions are as well as the wage you get in return for the sacrifice

https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/2019/7/6/20681186/fast-food-worker-burnout
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Stash on March 10, 2021, 10:11:23 AM
America has an interesting method for ensuring high work with low pay: risk of joblessness.

The idea of "If you don't work hard for this small amount, you'll be fired right now." Is alot of motivation.  America motivates with fear, not reward.  'Tis the American way.
As if working at McDonald's is hard work.

I worked at a McDonald's when I was a kid. I wouldn't say it's hard work as in digging ditches, but definitely stressful and you're moving pretty fast, have benchmarks to meet, rushes, penalties, etc. But what people like you forget is a living wage and the time value of money.
Working 40 hours at McD's is 40 hours where you can't do anything else. There's only so many waking hours in a week. And if you have other responsibilities like kids, or school, whathaveyou, your time is even more limited to get another source of income, because living on an McD wage ain't enough for a lot of places here. Not to mention, time is fluid in vocations like that; your schedule is not a set 9-5, it changes a lot. So the worker has a harder time juggling different shifts if they want multiple jobs/income. It's complicated and you, for whatever reason, want it black & white, and think low income wage jobs are a cake walk. You are wrong.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Lorddave on March 10, 2021, 10:23:29 AM
America has an interesting method for ensuring high work with low pay: risk of joblessness.

The idea of "If you don't work hard for this small amount, you'll be fired right now." Is alot of motivation.  America motivates with fear, not reward.  'Tis the American way.
As if working at McDonald's is hard work.

I worked at McDonalds.  Only job I quit due to stress.  Definitely harder work than I do now (IT support).  Why?

The rush.  The cleaning.  The constant "time to lean, time to clean" mentality.  Seriously, you must ALWAYS do something.  Lull in customers?  Clean.  Store all clean?  Clean it again.

I worked night shift for 2 of 5 days.  Fucking hell was that Hell.  Imagine mopping the bathroom and suddenly hearing the loudest fucking buzzer in your ear.  All the while half asleep.  Yeah, it fucking sucked.  Then you take the order, make the food, and ya gotta do it quick.  What?  An order for 20 burgers?  Still 5 minutes bitch.

So yes, it is fucking hard work.  Its not "rocket science" hard or "I'm gonna pick strawberries in the sun" hard but still hard.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on March 10, 2021, 10:36:24 AM
America has an interesting method for ensuring high work with low pay: risk of joblessness.

The idea of "If you don't work hard for this small amount, you'll be fired right now." Is alot of motivation.  America motivates with fear, not reward.  'Tis the American way.
As if working at McDonald's is hard work.

Maybe you've just got used to it?
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Themightykabool on March 10, 2021, 01:32:41 PM
The claim that everyone is replaceable works until people stop being replaced or that people who care are replaced by those who dont.

The peons are pricing themselves out by competing against each other for the scrap wages.
Stop working for amazon.

And who cares when the level of service degrades so much that only lazy idiots who do waaaay less than the bare minmum causes sales loss.
Thats bad managements fault, not the peon worthing for 7$.
Note i used worthing instwad of working.


Especially for shitass companies who profit and work the peons to death then pass them back to the tax payers healthcare/ or personal health insuranve when the peon is "expired" and then "buys" a new fresh peon like any other disposable resource.
Give your people healthcare or get taxed to shit so that the population gets universal health.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on March 10, 2021, 01:35:21 PM
If you pay peanuts, you get monkeys
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JJA on March 10, 2021, 04:01:26 PM
Lets not forget that the rich would be better off with a well off working class. It makes little sense to impoverish large sections of society. The very section most likely to spend and prop up the economy

I think we can all agree that the trickle down economics have failed. All the arguments made for giving big business massive tax breaks because they will reinvest and employ more people or give out pay rises etc is complete BS.

You can only widen the gap between rich and poor for so long before society unravels because the poor cant keep up with the inflation
You act as if the gap is widening is a bad thing.

Why is it a bad thing?

This right here, is the most ignorant right wing bullshit you have said so far.

Your disdain for anyone but yourself is astounding.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on March 10, 2021, 05:05:59 PM
America has an interesting method for ensuring high work with low pay: risk of joblessness.

The idea of "If you don't work hard for this small amount, you'll be fired right now." Is alot of motivation.  America motivates with fear, not reward.  'Tis the American way.
As if working at McDonald's is hard work.

I worked at McDonalds.  Only job I quit due to stress.  Definitely harder work than I do now (IT support).  Why?

The rush.  The cleaning.  The constant "time to lean, time to clean" mentality.  Seriously, you must ALWAYS do something.  Lull in customers?  Clean.  Store all clean?  Clean it again.

I worked night shift for 2 of 5 days.  Fucking hell was that Hell.  Imagine mopping the bathroom and suddenly hearing the loudest fucking buzzer in your ear.  All the while half asleep.  Yeah, it fucking sucked.  Then you take the order, make the food, and ya gotta do it quick.  What?  An order for 20 burgers?  Still 5 minutes bitch.

So yes, it is fucking hard work.  Its not "rocket science" hard or "I'm gonna pick strawberries in the sun" hard but still hard.

This.

Working at a fast food place fucking sucks!  Those jobs are made in a way that reduces people to parts in a machine.  Train them in an afternoon and get them doing a few specific tasks over and over again.  It doesn't matter if you completely burn them out.  Just replace them with more high school students.

I've worked at Burger King and as a dishwasher for a few restaurants.  Fast food is definitely worse than being a dishwasher.  Being a dishwasher is still hard work though.  I can understand why meth is so popular with these people.  It's the only way you can handle the monotony of that work.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Themightykabool on March 10, 2021, 05:45:59 PM


Thatll show em
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: WISHTOLAUGH on March 11, 2021, 04:03:36 AM
America has an interesting method for ensuring high work with low pay: risk of joblessness.

The idea of "If you don't work hard for this small amount, you'll be fired right now." Is alot of motivation.  America motivates with fear, not reward.  'Tis the American way.
As if working at McDonald's is hard work.

I worked at McDonalds.  Only job I quit due to stress.  Definitely harder work than I do now (IT support).  Why?

The rush.  The cleaning.  The constant "time to lean, time to clean" mentality.  Seriously, you must ALWAYS do something.  Lull in customers?  Clean.  Store all clean?  Clean it again.

I worked night shift for 2 of 5 days.  Fucking hell was that Hell.  Imagine mopping the bathroom and suddenly hearing the loudest fucking buzzer in your ear.  All the while half asleep.  Yeah, it fucking sucked.  Then you take the order, make the food, and ya gotta do it quick.  What?  An order for 20 burgers?  Still 5 minutes bitch.

So yes, it is fucking hard work.  Its not "rocket science" hard or "I'm gonna pick strawberries in the sun" hard but still hard.

This.

Working fucking sucks!
FTFY as it more distinctly states your (and all the rest here) attitude and mindset in crying, "GIVE ME FREE SHIT!"
It's complicated and you, for whatever reason, want it black & white, and think low income wage jobs are a cake walk. You are wrong.
I know working in a restaurant isn't a cake walk. I also know, unlike you and the rest of the peanut gallery, that it isn't a $15 a job.

It simply boils down to all of you morans arguing for more money, while decrying those who already have more money.

Like I wrote earlier, if you take all the money in the world and divide it equally among everybody, within one's week time, those who had the most money will have the most money again.

Knowing how and willing to do the work is key.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Themightykabool on March 11, 2021, 04:39:19 AM
Fair   not free
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: WISHTOLAUGH on March 11, 2021, 04:52:14 AM
Fair   not free
Life is not fair.

Who ever told you that life is fair?

You are deluded.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Jamie on March 11, 2021, 05:45:58 AM
When two middle-class folks fight, a billionaire laughs.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on March 11, 2021, 05:52:40 AM
America has an interesting method for ensuring high work with low pay: risk of joblessness.

The idea of "If you don't work hard for this small amount, you'll be fired right now." Is alot of motivation.  America motivates with fear, not reward.  'Tis the American way.
As if working at McDonald's is hard work.

I worked at McDonalds.  Only job I quit due to stress.  Definitely harder work than I do now (IT support).  Why?

The rush.  The cleaning.  The constant "time to lean, time to clean" mentality.  Seriously, you must ALWAYS do something.  Lull in customers?  Clean.  Store all clean?  Clean it again.

I worked night shift for 2 of 5 days.  Fucking hell was that Hell.  Imagine mopping the bathroom and suddenly hearing the loudest fucking buzzer in your ear.  All the while half asleep.  Yeah, it fucking sucked.  Then you take the order, make the food, and ya gotta do it quick.  What?  An order for 20 burgers?  Still 5 minutes bitch.

So yes, it is fucking hard work.  Its not "rocket science" hard or "I'm gonna pick strawberries in the sun" hard but still hard.

This.

Working fucking sucks!
FTFY as it more distinctly states your (and all the rest here) attitude and mindset in crying, "GIVE ME FREE SHIT!"
It's complicated and you, for whatever reason, want it black & white, and think low income wage jobs are a cake walk. You are wrong.
I know working in a restaurant isn't a cake walk. I also know, unlike you and the rest of the peanut gallery, that it isn't a $15 a job.

It simply boils down to all of you morans arguing for more money, while decrying those who already have more money.

Like I wrote earlier, if you take all the money in the world and divide it equally among everybody, within one's week time, those who had the most money will have the most money again.

Knowing how and willing to do the work is key.

Well if you made everyone have the same money in a capitalist system, money would be rendered useless. Captislism has its pros and cons and one of the cons is that it requires people to be in poverty so others can deem themselves rich

However that doesn't mean THE BEST AND GREATEST COUNTRY EVER should have minimum wages that are simply not 'livable'. Some of the lowest paid jobs are the lynch pins that keep society ticking. Again, if you widen the wealth gap too much you have a deeply impoverished society which will hurt the upper class eventually. If you cant see that, you're just an idiot

Australias minimum wage is currently $19.84 per hour or $753.80 per week which works out to be just shy of $40K per year. Even that is dismally low and unlike America we don't have the pressure to pay for private health insurance. Hell, I only pay $6 a month to cover the family for Ambulance cover. I'll let medicare take care of the rest because anything that is an emergency, is covered by default.

So imagine being in America, earning $7.25 an hour slaving for 40 hours a week so you get $290. With that you need to pay for accommodation, tax, food, health care, medical etc

What is left over to save? Why must that person work another job to make ends meet? Why would a person that has next to NO disposable income be good for society? If he has no disposable income, they are not going out to eat at a restaurant, they are not buying things in shops, they aren't stimulating the economy.

It may also have the unwanted effect of driving up crime and disdain for society. Yeah, how great is America when swaths of your own population cant afford to live with any dignity or have to work crushing hours in multiple jobs to make ends meet

If the last time your minimum wage was looked at was in 2009, surely you would agree that if $7.25 was deemed 'ok' back then (probably not though), then thanks to inflation, it is not ok now and should at least be adjusted

I know you like to troll and you just come here to say stupid provocative things because your life is sad and you need 'TOLAUGH' but damn if this is how you get your rocks off, you're pretty sad.

Only a fool wishes his countrymen to be impoverished
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on March 11, 2021, 07:26:15 AM
America has an interesting method for ensuring high work with low pay: risk of joblessness.

The idea of "If you don't work hard for this small amount, you'll be fired right now." Is alot of motivation.  America motivates with fear, not reward.  'Tis the American way.
As if working at McDonald's is hard work.

I worked at McDonalds.  Only job I quit due to stress.  Definitely harder work than I do now (IT support).  Why?

The rush.  The cleaning.  The constant "time to lean, time to clean" mentality.  Seriously, you must ALWAYS do something.  Lull in customers?  Clean.  Store all clean?  Clean it again.

I worked night shift for 2 of 5 days.  Fucking hell was that Hell.  Imagine mopping the bathroom and suddenly hearing the loudest fucking buzzer in your ear.  All the while half asleep.  Yeah, it fucking sucked.  Then you take the order, make the food, and ya gotta do it quick.  What?  An order for 20 burgers?  Still 5 minutes bitch.

So yes, it is fucking hard work.  Its not "rocket science" hard or "I'm gonna pick strawberries in the sun" hard but still hard.

This.

Working fucking sucks!
FTFY as it more distinctly states your (and all the rest here) attitude and mindset in crying, "GIVE ME FREE SHIT!"


False.  I love working.  Been working nonstop for 27 years.  I don't even mind hard work.  What do I have a problem with is work that a robot should be doing by now.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on March 11, 2021, 07:49:54 AM
America has an interesting method for ensuring high work with low pay: risk of joblessness.

The idea of "If you don't work hard for this small amount, you'll be fired right now." Is alot of motivation.  America motivates with fear, not reward.  'Tis the American way.
As if working at McDonald's is hard work.

I worked at McDonalds.  Only job I quit due to stress.  Definitely harder work than I do now (IT support).  Why?

The rush.  The cleaning.  The constant "time to lean, time to clean" mentality.  Seriously, you must ALWAYS do something.  Lull in customers?  Clean.  Store all clean?  Clean it again.

I worked night shift for 2 of 5 days.  Fucking hell was that Hell.  Imagine mopping the bathroom and suddenly hearing the loudest fucking buzzer in your ear.  All the while half asleep.  Yeah, it fucking sucked.  Then you take the order, make the food, and ya gotta do it quick.  What?  An order for 20 burgers?  Still 5 minutes bitch.

So yes, it is fucking hard work.  Its not "rocket science" hard or "I'm gonna pick strawberries in the sun" hard but still hard.

This.

Working fucking sucks!
FTFY as it more distinctly states your (and all the rest here) attitude and mindset in crying, "GIVE ME FREE SHIT!"


False.  I love working.  Been working nonstop for 27 years.  I don't even mind hard work.  What do I have a problem with is work that a robot should be doing by now.

Not sure I'd trust robots in a kitchen making and presenting food. Going out to fast food places you see a lot of the ordering is now done by the customer on self serve screens or through QR codes on the tables using their phones.

I guess the problem in many industries is not that robots should be doing the work, its treating human beings as if they are robots

Also, lets hope America is prepared for when robots take over a lot of jobs. Hopefully all your poor and uneducated people can still find meaningful work somehow. Otherwise everything will turn to shit because no one has any money to spread around and even the robots will be out of a job
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: WISHTOLAUGH on March 11, 2021, 08:36:02 AM
America has an interesting method for ensuring high work with low pay: risk of joblessness.

The idea of "If you don't work hard for this small amount, you'll be fired right now." Is alot of motivation.  America motivates with fear, not reward.  'Tis the American way.
As if working at McDonald's is hard work.

I worked at McDonalds.  Only job I quit due to stress.  Definitely harder work than I do now (IT support).  Why?

The rush.  The cleaning.  The constant "time to lean, time to clean" mentality.  Seriously, you must ALWAYS do something.  Lull in customers?  Clean.  Store all clean?  Clean it again.

I worked night shift for 2 of 5 days.  Fucking hell was that Hell.  Imagine mopping the bathroom and suddenly hearing the loudest fucking buzzer in your ear.  All the while half asleep.  Yeah, it fucking sucked.  Then you take the order, make the food, and ya gotta do it quick.  What?  An order for 20 burgers?  Still 5 minutes bitch.

So yes, it is fucking hard work.  Its not "rocket science" hard or "I'm gonna pick strawberries in the sun" hard but still hard.

This.

Working fucking sucks!
FTFY as it more distinctly states your (and all the rest here) attitude and mindset in crying, "GIVE ME FREE SHIT!"
It's complicated and you, for whatever reason, want it black & white, and think low income wage jobs are a cake walk. You are wrong.
I know working in a restaurant isn't a cake walk. I also know, unlike you and the rest of the peanut gallery, that it isn't a $15 a job.

It simply boils down to all of you morans arguing for more money, while decrying those who already have more money.

Like I wrote earlier, if you take all the money in the world and divide it equally among everybody, within one's week time, those who had the most money will have the most money again.

Knowing how and willing to do the work is key.

Well if you made everyone have the same money in a capitalist system, money would be rendered useless. Captislism has its pros and cons and one of the cons is that it requires people to be in poverty so others can deem themselves rich
In a capitalist system (which currently does not exist) everyone has the ability to deem themselves rich.
However that doesn't mean THE BEST AND GREATEST COUNTRY EVER should have minimum wages that are simply not 'livable'. Some of the lowest paid jobs are the lynch pins that keep society ticking. Again, if you widen the wealth gap too much you have a deeply impoverished society which will hurt the upper class eventually. If you cant see that, you're just an idiot
Minimum wage is a figment of your imagination.

Everyone should seek to achieve the highest possible wage.
Australias minimum wage is currently $19.84 per hour or $753.80 per week which works out to be just shy of $40K per year. Even that is dismally low and unlike America we don't have the pressure to pay for private health insurance. Hell, I only pay $6 a month to cover the family for Ambulance cover. I'll let medicare take care of the rest because anything that is an emergency, is covered by default.
Also a joke and a lie.

You would get in if they let you, which they soon will not.
So imagine being in America, earning $7.25 an hour slaving for 40 hours a week so you get $290. With that you need to pay for accommodation, tax, food, health care, medical etc
Yeah, imagine.

Because no one working for minimum wage needs to pony up for the things you list.

It is all part of your imagination.
What is left over to save? Why must that person work another job to make ends meet? Why would a person that has next to NO disposable income be good for society? If he has no disposable income, they are not going out to eat at a restaurant, they are not buying things in shops, they aren't stimulating the economy.
Who does stimulate the economy?
It may also have the unwanted effect of driving up crime and disdain for society. Yeah, how great is America when swaths of your own population cant afford to live with any dignity or have to work crushing hours in multiple jobs to make ends meet
You write as if you have an idea of what words mean, but there is no substance, just hyperbolic bs.
If the last time your minimum wage was looked at was in 2009, surely you would agree that if $7.25 was deemed 'ok' back then (probably not though), then thanks to inflation, it is not ok now and should at least be adjusted
Since the idea of minimum wage was introduced into the US, things have only been getting worse (according to you). Why should I join what appears to be a failing proposition?
I know you like to troll and you just come here to say stupid provocative things because your life is sad and you need 'TOLAUGH' but damn if this is how you get your rocks off, you're pretty sad.

Only a fool wishes his countrymen to be impoverished
You are a moran.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on March 11, 2021, 08:42:10 AM
America has an interesting method for ensuring high work with low pay: risk of joblessness.

The idea of "If you don't work hard for this small amount, you'll be fired right now." Is alot of motivation.  America motivates with fear, not reward.  'Tis the American way.
As if working at McDonald's is hard work.

I worked at McDonalds.  Only job I quit due to stress.  Definitely harder work than I do now (IT support).  Why?

The rush.  The cleaning.  The constant "time to lean, time to clean" mentality.  Seriously, you must ALWAYS do something.  Lull in customers?  Clean.  Store all clean?  Clean it again.

I worked night shift for 2 of 5 days.  Fucking hell was that Hell.  Imagine mopping the bathroom and suddenly hearing the loudest fucking buzzer in your ear.  All the while half asleep.  Yeah, it fucking sucked.  Then you take the order, make the food, and ya gotta do it quick.  What?  An order for 20 burgers?  Still 5 minutes bitch.

So yes, it is fucking hard work.  Its not "rocket science" hard or "I'm gonna pick strawberries in the sun" hard but still hard.

This.

Working fucking sucks!
FTFY as it more distinctly states your (and all the rest here) attitude and mindset in crying, "GIVE ME FREE SHIT!"
It's complicated and you, for whatever reason, want it black & white, and think low income wage jobs are a cake walk. You are wrong.
I know working in a restaurant isn't a cake walk. I also know, unlike you and the rest of the peanut gallery, that it isn't a $15 a job.

It simply boils down to all of you morans arguing for more money, while decrying those who already have more money.

Like I wrote earlier, if you take all the money in the world and divide it equally among everybody, within one's week time, those who had the most money will have the most money again.

Knowing how and willing to do the work is key.

Well if you made everyone have the same money in a capitalist system, money would be rendered useless. Captislism has its pros and cons and one of the cons is that it requires people to be in poverty so others can deem themselves rich
In a capitalist system (which currently does not exist) everyone has the ability to deem themselves rich.
However that doesn't mean THE BEST AND GREATEST COUNTRY EVER should have minimum wages that are simply not 'livable'. Some of the lowest paid jobs are the lynch pins that keep society ticking. Again, if you widen the wealth gap too much you have a deeply impoverished society which will hurt the upper class eventually. If you cant see that, you're just an idiot
Minimum wage is a figment of your imagination.

Everyone should seek to achieve the highest possible wage.
Australias minimum wage is currently $19.84 per hour or $753.80 per week which works out to be just shy of $40K per year. Even that is dismally low and unlike America we don't have the pressure to pay for private health insurance. Hell, I only pay $6 a month to cover the family for Ambulance cover. I'll let medicare take care of the rest because anything that is an emergency, is covered by default.
Also a joke and a lie.

You would get in if they let you, which they soon will not.
So imagine being in America, earning $7.25 an hour slaving for 40 hours a week so you get $290. With that you need to pay for accommodation, tax, food, health care, medical etc
Yeah, imagine.

Because no one working for minimum wage needs to pony up for the things you list.

It is all part of your imagination.
What is left over to save? Why must that person work another job to make ends meet? Why would a person that has next to NO disposable income be good for society? If he has no disposable income, they are not going out to eat at a restaurant, they are not buying things in shops, they aren't stimulating the economy.
Who does stimulate the economy?
It may also have the unwanted effect of driving up crime and disdain for society. Yeah, how great is America when swaths of your own population cant afford to live with any dignity or have to work crushing hours in multiple jobs to make ends meet
You write as if you have an idea of what words mean, but there is no substance, just hyperbolic bs.
If the last time your minimum wage was looked at was in 2009, surely you would agree that if $7.25 was deemed 'ok' back then (probably not though), then thanks to inflation, it is not ok now and should at least be adjusted
Since the idea of minimum wage was introduced into the US, things have only been getting worse (according to you). Why should I join what appears to be a failing proposition?
I know you like to troll and you just come here to say stupid provocative things because your life is sad and you need 'TOLAUGH' but damn if this is how you get your rocks off, you're pretty sad.

Only a fool wishes his countrymen to be impoverished
You are a moran.

Total low effort trolling man. You could have at least replied like you had an iota of some intelligence. ::)
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on March 11, 2021, 08:59:11 AM
America has an interesting method for ensuring high work with low pay: risk of joblessness.

The idea of "If you don't work hard for this small amount, you'll be fired right now." Is alot of motivation.  America motivates with fear, not reward.  'Tis the American way.
As if working at McDonald's is hard work.

I worked at McDonalds.  Only job I quit due to stress.  Definitely harder work than I do now (IT support).  Why?

The rush.  The cleaning.  The constant "time to lean, time to clean" mentality.  Seriously, you must ALWAYS do something.  Lull in customers?  Clean.  Store all clean?  Clean it again.

I worked night shift for 2 of 5 days.  Fucking hell was that Hell.  Imagine mopping the bathroom and suddenly hearing the loudest fucking buzzer in your ear.  All the while half asleep.  Yeah, it fucking sucked.  Then you take the order, make the food, and ya gotta do it quick.  What?  An order for 20 burgers?  Still 5 minutes bitch.

So yes, it is fucking hard work.  Its not "rocket science" hard or "I'm gonna pick strawberries in the sun" hard but still hard.

This.

Working fucking sucks!
FTFY as it more distinctly states your (and all the rest here) attitude and mindset in crying, "GIVE ME FREE SHIT!"


False.  I love working.  Been working nonstop for 27 years.  I don't even mind hard work.  What do I have a problem with is work that a robot should be doing by now.

Not sure I'd trust robots in a kitchen making and presenting food. Going out to fast food places you see a lot of the ordering is now done by the customer on self serve screens or through QR codes on the tables using their phones.

I guess the problem in many industries is not that robots should be doing the work, its treating human beings as if they are robots

Also, lets hope America is prepared for when robots take over a lot of jobs. Hopefully all your poor and uneducated people can still find meaningful work somehow. Otherwise everything will turn to shit because no one has any money to spread around and even the robots will be out of a job

I'm not sure if you've worked in fast food before but actually making the food is very assembly line like.  They could automate more of that process.  The customer service probably not.  I really hate ordering from those machines at mcdonalds.

Oh we are not at all prepared for that.  Andrew Yang is the only politician to make a serious push to be ready for that.  Everyone else has their head in the sand.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: boydster on March 11, 2021, 09:35:29 AM
There's already a restaurant that uses a machine to make their burgers. It's pretty impressive, honestly.

Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Themightykabool on March 11, 2021, 11:15:19 AM
Fair   not free
Life is not fair.

Who ever told you that life is fair?

You are deluded.

Man.
Stupid argument.

Nature isnt fair and will kill indiscriminately of bank account.
But its to the govt to make life fair.

If someone beat you up or robbed your house, do up file charges with cops or do you say "oh well life aint fair."

Fare and fair - do you tip bartenders and waiters?
Thats free money.

Keep saying stupid shit.
You must love hannity and carlson.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Themightykabool on March 11, 2021, 11:17:17 AM
There's already a restaurant that uses a machine to make their burgers. It's pretty impressive, honestly.



The reason big corp fighting so hard to keep min wages down is because the service industry is last remaining thing they cant outsource.
3rd world countries in the manufacturing world dont have healtcare or safety std costs.

Automating is natural evolution to phasing out.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: WISHTOLAUGH on March 12, 2021, 04:13:35 AM
America has an interesting method for ensuring high work with low pay: risk of joblessness.

The idea of "If you don't work hard for this small amount, you'll be fired right now." Is alot of motivation.  America motivates with fear, not reward.  'Tis the American way.
As if working at McDonald's is hard work.

I worked at McDonalds.  Only job I quit due to stress.  Definitely harder work than I do now (IT support).  Why?

The rush.  The cleaning.  The constant "time to lean, time to clean" mentality.  Seriously, you must ALWAYS do something.  Lull in customers?  Clean.  Store all clean?  Clean it again.

I worked night shift for 2 of 5 days.  Fucking hell was that Hell.  Imagine mopping the bathroom and suddenly hearing the loudest fucking buzzer in your ear.  All the while half asleep.  Yeah, it fucking sucked.  Then you take the order, make the food, and ya gotta do it quick.  What?  An order for 20 burgers?  Still 5 minutes bitch.

So yes, it is fucking hard work.  Its not "rocket science" hard or "I'm gonna pick strawberries in the sun" hard but still hard.

This.

Working fucking sucks!
FTFY as it more distinctly states your (and all the rest here) attitude and mindset in crying, "GIVE ME FREE SHIT!"
It's complicated and you, for whatever reason, want it black & white, and think low income wage jobs are a cake walk. You are wrong.
I know working in a restaurant isn't a cake walk. I also know, unlike you and the rest of the peanut gallery, that it isn't a $15 a job.

It simply boils down to all of you morans arguing for more money, while decrying those who already have more money.

Like I wrote earlier, if you take all the money in the world and divide it equally among everybody, within one's week time, those who had the most money will have the most money again.

Knowing how and willing to do the work is key.

Well if you made everyone have the same money in a capitalist system, money would be rendered useless. Captislism has its pros and cons and one of the cons is that it requires people to be in poverty so others can deem themselves rich
In a capitalist system (which currently does not exist) everyone has the ability to deem themselves rich.
However that doesn't mean THE BEST AND GREATEST COUNTRY EVER should have minimum wages that are simply not 'livable'. Some of the lowest paid jobs are the lynch pins that keep society ticking. Again, if you widen the wealth gap too much you have a deeply impoverished society which will hurt the upper class eventually. If you cant see that, you're just an idiot
Minimum wage is a figment of your imagination.

Everyone should seek to achieve the highest possible wage.
Australias minimum wage is currently $19.84 per hour or $753.80 per week which works out to be just shy of $40K per year. Even that is dismally low and unlike America we don't have the pressure to pay for private health insurance. Hell, I only pay $6 a month to cover the family for Ambulance cover. I'll let medicare take care of the rest because anything that is an emergency, is covered by default.
Also a joke and a lie.

You would get in if they let you, which they soon will not.
So imagine being in America, earning $7.25 an hour slaving for 40 hours a week so you get $290. With that you need to pay for accommodation, tax, food, health care, medical etc
Yeah, imagine.

Because no one working for minimum wage needs to pony up for the things you list.

It is all part of your imagination.
What is left over to save? Why must that person work another job to make ends meet? Why would a person that has next to NO disposable income be good for society? If he has no disposable income, they are not going out to eat at a restaurant, they are not buying things in shops, they aren't stimulating the economy.
Who does stimulate the economy?
It may also have the unwanted effect of driving up crime and disdain for society. Yeah, how great is America when swaths of your own population cant afford to live with any dignity or have to work crushing hours in multiple jobs to make ends meet
You write as if you have an idea of what words mean, but there is no substance, just hyperbolic bs.
If the last time your minimum wage was looked at was in 2009, surely you would agree that if $7.25 was deemed 'ok' back then (probably not though), then thanks to inflation, it is not ok now and should at least be adjusted
Since the idea of minimum wage was introduced into the US, things have only been getting worse (according to you). Why should I join what appears to be a failing proposition?
I know you like to troll and you just come here to say stupid provocative things because your life is sad and you need 'TOLAUGH' but damn if this is how you get your rocks off, you're pretty sad.

Only a fool wishes his countrymen to be impoverished
You are a moran.

Total low effort trolling man. You could have at least replied like you had an iota of some intelligence. ::)
Yeah, you just skip the issue of the history of minimum wage laws and the reality of their detriment to society.

You have shit for brains.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: WISHTOLAUGH on March 12, 2021, 04:15:03 AM
Fair   not free
Life is not fair.

Who ever told you that life is fair?

You are deluded.

Man.
Stupid argument.

Nature isnt fair and will kill indiscriminately of bank account.
But its to the govt to make life fair.

If someone beat you up or robbed your house, do up file charges with cops or do you say "oh well life aint fair."

Fare and fair - do you tip bartenders and waiters?
Thats free money.

Keep saying stupid shit.
You must love hannity and carlson.
Nothing is free, you stupid moran.

And life isn't fair.

That has been my point all along.

You're an idiot.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on March 12, 2021, 04:43:04 AM
Yeah, you just skip the issue of the history of minimum wage laws and the reality of their detriment to society.

You have shit for brains.

Sorry, are we in Angry Ranting? We can call each other shit for brains here?

Tell me how abolishing a minimum wage would have workers better off? See if you can do it without sounding like a dick for a change. I bet that will be a struggle for you
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: WISHTOLAUGH on March 12, 2021, 05:03:40 AM
Yeah, you just skip the issue of the history of minimum wage laws and the reality of their detriment to society.

You have shit for brains.

Sorry, are we in Angry Ranting? We can call each other shit for brains here?

Tell me how abolishing a minimum wage would have workers better off? See if you can do it without sounding like a dick for a change. I bet that will be a struggle for you
I am not here to argue for your advocacy of hiking the minimum wage. I am here to point out that having a minimum wage has never worked.

You can simply keep providing the proof by stating how bad America is and has been for having it to begin with.

When there were no minimum wage laws, everyone who was working had insurance, those who didn't were taken care of for free at any clinic or hospital, and people could afford to eat and live comfortably in the home they could afford. Two cars in every garage and moms didn't even need to work for the most part to have this.

None of your BS works here.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on March 12, 2021, 05:17:26 AM
Yeah, you just skip the issue of the history of minimum wage laws and the reality of their detriment to society.

You have shit for brains.

Sorry, are we in Angry Ranting? We can call each other shit for brains here?

Tell me how abolishing a minimum wage would have workers better off? See if you can do it without sounding like a dick for a change. I bet that will be a struggle for you
I am not here to argue for your advocacy of hiking the minimum wage. I am here to point out that having a minimum wage has never worked.

You can simply keep providing the proof by stating how bad America is and has been for having it to begin with.

When there were no minimum wage laws, everyone who was working had insurance, those who didn't were taken care of for free at any clinic or hospital, and people could afford to eat and live comfortably in the home they could afford. Two cars in every garage and moms didn't even need to work for the most part to have this.

None of your BS works here.

There is no reason you cant have a minimum wage gurantee that allows the worker to live with a little dignity and pocket change. Keep in mind the more money in lower and middle class pockets, the more money is being spent in the economy as they are more likely to spend it.

If you provide a wage which does not allow for disposable income, you will have many shops shut and many people who own property, having to accept less for rent to get them tenanted etc

Almost every shop in a shopping centre bar the grocery store for food is essentially relying on people having disposable income to buy anything in them. Australia is not adequately taking care of this problem either and our 'stagnated' economy has resulted in hundreds of small businesses and franchisees failing or going bankrupt. People aren't spending because they don't have spending money. Our government has given us tax cuts or even 'stimulus cheques' and guess what most people did with them? Put it on to their mortgage or paid a bill. Why? because money is too tight to spend on frivolous purchases for too many

We know your apathetic and don't give a damn about your fellow neighbours. Maybe you're doing well for yourself. Or you had parents doing well and were able to give you a 'leg up' not afforded to many other people.

You still haven't given us much of any reason why raising the minimum wage would be disastrous or a bad idea. Do you think if they abolished the law that businesses would take better care of their workers? Higher wages? Insurance?

I would bet they would get even lower wages. Or made to work even longer hours if they want the same pay.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: WISHTOLAUGH on March 12, 2021, 05:25:29 AM
Yeah, you just skip the issue of the history of minimum wage laws and the reality of their detriment to society.

You have shit for brains.

Sorry, are we in Angry Ranting? We can call each other shit for brains here?

Tell me how abolishing a minimum wage would have workers better off? See if you can do it without sounding like a dick for a change. I bet that will be a struggle for you
I am not here to argue for your advocacy of hiking the minimum wage. I am here to point out that having a minimum wage has never worked.

You can simply keep providing the proof by stating how bad America is and has been for having it to begin with.

When there were no minimum wage laws, everyone who was working had insurance, those who didn't were taken care of for free at any clinic or hospital, and people could afford to eat and live comfortably in the home they could afford. Two cars in every garage and moms didn't even need to work for the most part to have this.

None of your BS works here.

There is no reason you cant have a minimum wage gurantee that allows the worker to live with a little dignity and pocket change. Keep in mind the more money in lower and middle class pockets, the more money is being spent in the economy as they are more likely to spend it.
Evidently there is a reason. And it is the minimum wage laws you champion. And I just described the US prior to the enactment of the minimum laws you keep touting as the panacea. The US was far better off when there were no minimum wage laws. Prior to that, there was no wage/price spiraling that immediately followed their enactment.
If you provide a wage which does not allow for disposable income, you will have many shops shut and many people who own property, having to accept less for rent to get them tenanted etc

Almost every shop in a shopping centre bar the grocery store for food is essentially relying on people having disposable income to buy anything in them. Australia is not adequately taking care of this problem either and our 'stagnated' economy has resulted in hundreds of small businesses and franchisees failing or going bankrupt. People aren't spending because they don't have spending money. Our government has given us tax cuts or even 'stimulus cheques' and guess what most people did with them? Put it on to their mortgage or paid a bill. Why? because money is too tight to spend on frivolous purchases for too many

We know your apathetic and don't give a damn about your fellow neighbours. Maybe you're doing well for yourself. Or you had parents doing well and were able to give you a 'leg up' not afforded to many other people.

You still haven't given us much of any reason why raising the minimum wage would be disastrous or a bad idea. Do you think if they abolished the law that businesses would take better care of their workers? Higher wages? Insurance?

I would bet they would get even lower wages. Or made to work even longer hours if they want the same pay.
You keep writing I am the one who doesn't give a damn about others, but everything you champion for has been proven to work toward everyone's detriment.

If it worked, that would have been it, and there would have been no more complaining.

You are, without a doubt, the most racist pile of garbage ever assembled as an AI program. You hate people from Mexico and Central America, calling them worthless.

Generally, you really suck.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on March 12, 2021, 05:30:29 AM
moronic nonsense

The reason minimum wage is terrible right now is they have not kept inline with inflation and cost of living pressures since 2009 you twit. ::)
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on March 12, 2021, 05:36:37 AM
Minimum wage etc probably deserves its own topic. Lets talk more about Biden and why we support him in this thread about why we support Biden

For one, he loves children. That's a good thing right?

Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: WISHTOLAUGH on March 12, 2021, 05:40:30 AM
moronic nonsense

The reason minimum wage is terrible right now is they have not kept inline with inflation and cost of living pressures since 2009 you twit. ::)
Minimum wage has always been terrible you twit.

Only stupid idiotic people are obsessed with achieving a living MINIMUM!

Get that through your fucking silicon-based chip you have for a skull.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: WISHTOLAUGH on March 12, 2021, 05:51:12 AM
Minimum wage etc probably deserves its own topic. Lets talk more about Biden and why we support him in this thread about why we support Biden

For one, he loves children. That's a good thing right?


Yes, he loves kids more than he loves people. He said that several times in his illustrious career as a politician. He really likes the way kids rub his hairy legs.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on March 12, 2021, 06:00:43 AM
Minimum wage etc probably deserves its own topic. Lets talk more about Biden and why we support him in this thread about why we support Biden

For one, he loves children. That's a good thing right?


Yes, he loves kids more than he loves people. He said that several times in his illustrious career as a politician. He really likes the way kids rub his hairy legs.

Don't forget about kids jumping on his lap! He loves that!!
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Themightykabool on March 12, 2021, 06:40:28 AM
moronic nonsense

The reason minimum wage is terrible right now is they have not kept inline with inflation and cost of living pressures since 2009 you twit. ::)
Minimum wage has always been terrible you twit.

Only stupid idiotic people are obsessed with achieving a living MINIMUM!

Get that through your fucking silicon-based chip you have for a skull.

The post office is failing because they are not allowed to increase prices to match inflation...
Also, for other reasons, but thats a big one.
Big oil is lobbying to keep their price fixed taxes that didnt increase with inflation.

Maybe you dont understand inflation.
Yyou and that johnson guy must not be very smart.

Try getting a mortage with zero interest.... or "free money" to the bank as you would call it.


And yes
They are "stupid" but for other reasoms are forced to compete at the bottom level.
Levels.
Not everyone can be leader.
So what, does it make their level not worthy of fair fare?
Is a mouse stupid for not being an owl?
Gtfo.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Themightykabool on March 12, 2021, 06:43:52 AM
Keep working
Wear a diaper sound humane to you?



Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Themightykabool on March 12, 2021, 06:45:41 AM
People need their next day deliveries.
Gogogogo

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2019/10/19/amazon-workers-forced-to-go-back-to-work-after-fellow-employee-dies-on-shift/amp/

Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on March 12, 2021, 06:51:25 AM
People need their next day deliveries.
Gogogogo

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2019/10/19/amazon-workers-forced-to-go-back-to-work-after-fellow-employee-dies-on-shift/amp/

Amazon really shits me. The CEO is (or was pre divorce) like the richest man in the world and has enough money to live more than 1000 life times in opulence. He could pay his workers way better and even hire way more to keep stress levels down and increase productivity but he's too much of a tight arse for that. People aren't monkeys, robots or slaves. Workers should be treated with dignity and respect

The only good thing he did was ensuing 'The Expanse' TV series got a fair run and not cancelled half way through like so many other great sci fi shows. Apart from that, to hell with him
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: markjo on March 12, 2021, 07:01:37 AM
Amazon really shits me. The CEO is (or was pre divorce) like the richest man in the world and has enough money to live more than 1000 life times in opulence.
Should wealth based primarily on the whims of the stock market really count?
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Stash on March 12, 2021, 07:41:57 AM
When there were no minimum wage laws, everyone who was working had insurance, those who didn't were taken care of for free at any clinic or hospital, and people could afford to eat and live comfortably in the home they could afford. Two cars in every garage and moms didn't even need to work for the most part to have this.

None of your BS works here.

The Fed Min Wage was enacted in 1938, the tail end of the Great Depression. You're saying that in that era everyone had insurance, 2 cars in every garage and Mom's didn't have to work? US unemployment rate in 1938 was 19%. Which alternate fantastical American history are you referring to?
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Themightykabool on March 12, 2021, 07:56:11 AM
People need their next day deliveries.
Gogogogo

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2019/10/19/amazon-workers-forced-to-go-back-to-work-after-fellow-employee-dies-on-shift/amp/

Amazon really shits me. The CEO is (or was pre divorce) like the richest man in the world and has enough money to live more than 1000 life times in opulence. He could pay his workers way better and even hire way more to keep stress levels down and increase productivity but he's too much of a tight arse for that. People aren't monkeys, robots or slaves. Workers should be treated with dignity and respect

The only good thing he did was ensuing 'The Expanse' TV series got a fair run and not cancelled half way through like so many other great sci fi shows. Apart from that, to hell with him

because the govt allows him to not pay taxes and treat the workers he DOES employ like a disposable natural resource - to be clear cut and moved on when the wells are dry.
the rest of the "employees" - the drivers compete against each other in a gig economy with no benefits.
yes.
he treats them like he treats returns - send them to the dump because it's cheaper to do that than return goods/ treat people as people.

and the gov't is stupid enough to literally PAY bezos to kill the population and dump the sick and public transport onto the tax payer/ individual payer.
someone in the gov't is either getting a sickass bribe or they don't understand setting up an amazon warehouse is NOT good for their city under these conditions.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Themightykabool on March 12, 2021, 08:00:24 AM
When there were no minimum wage laws, everyone who was working had insurance, those who didn't were taken care of for free at any clinic or hospital, and people could afford to eat and live comfortably in the home they could afford. Two cars in every garage and moms didn't even need to work for the most part to have this.

None of your BS works here.

The Fed Min Wage was enacted in 1938, the tail end of the Great Depression. You're saying that in that era everyone had insurance, 2 cars in every garage and Mom's didn't have to work? US unemployment rate in 1938 was 19%. Which alternate fantastical American history are you referring to?

understand that when management treats people fairly, they don't need to unionize.
you just proved a point why the gov't needs to step in.
WISH needs to go to business school or take some social sci or poli sci.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: DuckDodgers on March 12, 2021, 08:01:49 AM
You guys could also stop feeding the obvious alt troll.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Themightykabool on March 12, 2021, 08:27:26 AM
ALT of who?
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JJA on March 12, 2021, 08:34:56 AM
Since it seems responding to trolls is the problem and not BEING a troll, I guess everyone should just switch to trolling now? Sure.

Uuuhhhh.

I think everyone's skin should be painted green so we are all equal, cause, go equality and stuff? Socialism!

Fite me.

Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: markjo on March 12, 2021, 08:45:13 AM
When there were no minimum wage laws, everyone who was working had insurance, those who didn't were taken care of for free at any clinic or hospital, and people could afford to eat and live comfortably in the home they could afford. Two cars in every garage and moms didn't even need to work for the most part to have this.

None of your BS works here.

The Fed Min Wage was enacted in 1938, the tail end of the Great Depression. You're saying that in that era everyone had insurance, 2 cars in every garage and Mom's didn't have to work? US unemployment rate in 1938 was 19%. Which alternate fantastical American history are you referring to?
As I recall, there was a time before 1938 when sweat shops paying children pennies per day were common and insurance for the lower class was pretty much unheard of.  Ah yes, the good old days. ::)

ALT of who?
Totallackey, obviously.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Themightykabool on March 12, 2021, 09:01:31 AM
Aaah this guy is Lackless?
That explains a lot.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Stash on March 12, 2021, 09:47:53 AM
When there were no minimum wage laws, everyone who was working had insurance, those who didn't were taken care of for free at any clinic or hospital, and people could afford to eat and live comfortably in the home they could afford. Two cars in every garage and moms didn't even need to work for the most part to have this.

None of your BS works here.

The Fed Min Wage was enacted in 1938, the tail end of the Great Depression. You're saying that in that era everyone had insurance, 2 cars in every garage and Mom's didn't have to work? US unemployment rate in 1938 was 19%. Which alternate fantastical American history are you referring to?
As I recall, there was a time before 1938 when sweat shops paying children pennies per day were common and insurance for the lower class was pretty much unheard of.  Ah yes, the good old days. ::)

I know, really. Insurance of all things? Just Lackey making up things as usual.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: markjo on March 12, 2021, 11:13:05 AM
I think everyone's skin should be painted green so we are all equal, cause, go equality and stuff? Socialism
I'm not sure about the Army, but in the US Marine Corps, all marines are green.  Some are light green and others are dark green.  :-\
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JJA on March 12, 2021, 11:45:16 AM
I think everyone's skin should be painted green so we are all equal, cause, go equality and stuff? Socialism
I'm not sure about the Army, but in the US Marine Corps, all marines are green.  Some are light green and others are dark green.  :-\

I hate light green people! >:(
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on March 17, 2021, 05:10:23 PM
https://twitter.com/philipwang/status/1308444063239077889

Quote from: Phillip Wang
I compiled the 164 House Repubs who just voted AGAINST a resolution to condemn anti-Asian sentiment, racism, & discrimination. An easy slamdunk vote to publicly support our community as attacks on us rise. They were the ONLY "NO" votes. This is what unashamed racism looks like.


Repugnican racism in its unashamed glory


Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Themightykabool on March 17, 2021, 07:26:24 PM
Is the base racist?
Then thats all that matters to them... fear mongering.


Also
Dont trust china.



Also
Them repubs love their "donor" (**cough bribery) money
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 19, 2021, 10:21:40 AM
Was this an issue for security clearance in Obama or Trump's administration?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-biden/past-marijuana-use-won-t-automatically-disqualify-biden-white-house-n1258917

https://nypost.com/2021/03/19/biden-white-house-fires-staffers-over-past-marijuana-use/

https://www.thedailybeast.com/biden-white-house-sandbags-staffers-sidelines-dozens-for-pot-use

Daily Beast article is paywalled so I will paste it.

Quote
Biden White House Sandbags Staffers, Sidelines Dozens for Pot Use

Several staffers were informally told by transition officials that some past marijuana use would be overlooked, only to be told later that they were being asked to resign.

Dozens of young White House staffers have been suspended, asked to resign, or placed in a remote work program due to past marijuana use, frustrating staffers who were pleased by initial indications from the Biden administration that recreational use of cannabis would not be immediately disqualifying for would-be personnel, according to three people familiar with the situation.

The policy has even affected staffers whose marijuana use was exclusive to one of the 14 states—and the District of Columbia—where cannabis is legal. Sources familiar with the matter also said a number of young staffers were either put on probation or canned because they revealed past marijuana use in an official document they filled out as part of the lengthy background check for a position in the Biden White House.

In some cases, staffers were informally told by transition higher-ups ahead of formally joining the administration that they would likely overlook some past marijuana use, only to be asked later to resign.

“There were one-on-one calls with individual affected staffers—rather, ex-staffers,” one former White House staffer affected by the policy told The Daily Beast. “I was asked to resign.”

“Nothing was ever explained” on the calls, they added, which were led by White House Director of Management and Administration Anne Filipic. “The policies were never explained, the threshold for what was excusable and what was inexcusable was never explained.”

In response to this news story, White House press secretary Jen Psaki tweeted out on Friday an NBC News report from February stating that the Biden administration wouldn’t automatically disqualify applicants if they admitted to past marijuana use. Psaki said of the hundreds of people hired in the administration, only five who had started working at the White House are “no longer employed as a result of this policy.”

Psaki didn’t note how many had been disqualified for a White House job before actually starting, nor did she note how many were suspended or relegated to remote work, but she did send an additional statement to The Daily Beast on Friday.

“In an effort to ensure that more people have an opportunity to serve the public, we worked in coordination with the security service to ensure that more people have the opportunity to serve than would not have in the past with the same level of recent drug use. While we will not get into individual cases, there were additional factors at play in many instances for the small number of individuals who were terminated,” Psaki said.

The White House said in February it intended—for some candidates—to waive the requirement that all potential appointees in the Executive Office of the President be able to obtain a “top secret” clearance. The rules about past marijuana use and eligibility for the clearance vary, depending on the agency: For the FBI, an applicant can’t have used marijuana in the past three years; at the NSA, it’s only one. The White House, however, largely calls its own shots, and officials at the time told NBC News that as long as past use was “limited” and the candidate wasn’t pursuing a position that required a security clearance, past use may be excused.

Asked about the policy and its effect on the administration’s staffing Thursday night, a White House spokesperson disputed the number of affected staff, but said the Biden administration is “committed to bringing the best people into government—especially the young people whose commitment to public service can deepen in these positions,” and noted that the White House’s approach to past marijuana use is much more flexible than previous administrations.

“The White House’s policy will maintain the absolute highest standards for service in government that the president expects from his administration, while acknowledging the reality that state and local marijuana laws have changed significantly across the country in recent years,” the spokesperson added. “This decision was made following intensive consultation with career security officials and will effectively protect our national security while modernizing policies to ensure that talented and otherwise well-qualified applicants with limited marijuana use will not be barred from serving the American people.”

A candidate’s personal drug history, barring past convictions for possession, is largely based on the honor system, as well as supplemental interviews with family and friends by the FBI—although lying on the 136-page SF-86 form is a felony, and effectively bars a candidate from ever working for a federal agency. Over the years, some rules have been relaxed or altogether eliminated (the existence of nude photos of a candidate are no longer automatically disqualifying, for example).

Some of these dismissals, probations and remote work appointments could have potentially been a result of inconsistencies that came up during the background-check process, where a staffer could have, for example, misstated the last time they used marijuana. The effect of the policy, however, would be the same: The Biden White House would be punishing various staffers for violating thresholds of past cannabis use that would-be staffers didn’t know about.

Previous drug use can pose problems for obtaining a security clearance. While practices across the federal government vary, in general agencies may consider the type, frequency, and recency of drug use as mitigating factors when granting a clearance.


If they are relying on the honor system, they will have more people lying about it. Lying is what creates the potential security issue, since it could give someone leverage over the liar.

Also, they need to fix the federal law regarding marijuana.  >:(
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Lorddave on March 19, 2021, 10:42:10 AM
Seems like a Dick move on Biden's administration.
Or the people fired were heavy users, not just recreations. 
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on March 19, 2021, 11:39:13 AM


Go Biden!  8)
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on March 19, 2021, 01:15:56 PM
Trump couldn't walk down the ramp.  Biden can't go up the steps.

Go America!
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on March 19, 2021, 01:58:52 PM


Go Biden!  8)

Gotta to admit something.  I'm kind of scared to watch Biden's speeches.  Every time he seems to forget where he is for a few seconds I sort of panic and wonder if he's going to stroke out on live TV.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Stash on March 19, 2021, 02:21:29 PM
I know it's tradition to do the stairs and wave at the top of AF1 thing, but they should really just get a jetway for the old-timer.

Ford used to stumble all over the place:



Chevy became famous because of it:



Though still my all time favorite Presidential parody is Aykroyd as Carter talking down a caller who is tripping balls on Orange Sunshine:



Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Themightykabool on March 20, 2021, 05:05:43 AM



Do you like football?
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on March 25, 2021, 06:12:30 PM
Uncle Joe is not letting the press inside the "overflow facilities" https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/22/politics/border-patrol-overcrowded-photos/index.html   How long before they start calling them kids in cages again? https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/22/politics/biden-administration-press-access-border-facilities/index.html
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Lorddave on March 25, 2021, 10:19:33 PM
Uncle Joe is not letting the press inside the "overflow facilities" https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/22/politics/border-patrol-overcrowded-photos/index.html   How long before they start calling them kids in cages again? https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/22/politics/biden-administration-press-access-border-facilities/index.html

Damn you Biden!
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Eren on March 25, 2021, 10:24:55 PM
How long before they start calling them kids in cages again?

They never will. The media is a weapon. One of the most effective weapons the ruling class has.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on March 25, 2021, 11:32:21 PM
It's amusing to see Trump and his faux outrage at how the refugee kids are being treated. What a tool

While Americas handling has always been shit no matter the administration, Trumps stupid 2 faced hypocrisy is next level amusing to see

As if he actually cares. What an arse
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Eren on March 25, 2021, 11:40:43 PM
Trump

Biden is president now, no more kids in cages.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on March 25, 2021, 11:41:01 PM
Uncle Joe is not letting the press inside the "overflow facilities" https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/22/politics/border-patrol-overcrowded-photos/index.html   How long before they start calling them kids in cages again? https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/22/politics/biden-administration-press-access-border-facilities/index.html

Damn you Biden!

Not totally sure how to judge this.  Trump would intentionally separate children as a deterrent.  Biden as far as I know is doing it as a temporary measure while they sort out refugees/illegal aliens, whatever we're calling them.  Then there was four years of Trump saying "the caravan is coming!  It's an even bigger caravan than last time!"

I will say one detail that I've noticed and I don't think there's an excuse for.  They're not letting the press access these facilities.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Eren on March 25, 2021, 11:41:53 PM
Trump

Biden is president now, no more kids in cages.

Beat you to it Crouton. It's fine when Biden does it. Just like it was fine when Obama did it.

Again, the media is a weapon.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on March 25, 2021, 11:49:33 PM
Trump

Biden is president now, no more kids in cages.

Beat you to it Crouton. It's fine when Biden does it. Just like it was fine when Obama did it.

Again, the media is a weapon.

That's not what I-

Fuck it.  The poll in complete nonsense shall decide your fate. 

Good night.  Sleep well, D1.  I'll most likely ban you in the morning.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on March 25, 2021, 11:50:53 PM
Trump

I'm such a triggered snowflake

Agreed. Finally we agree on something!
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Eren on March 25, 2021, 11:56:42 PM
Trump

Biden is president now, no more kids in cages.

Beat you to it Crouton. It's fine when Biden does it. Just like it was fine when Obama did it.

Again, the media is a weapon.

That's not what I-

Fuck it.  The poll in complete nonsense shall decide your fate. 

Good night.  Sleep well, D1.  I'll most likely ban you in the morning.

You do you man.
Enjoy your echo chamber.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on March 26, 2021, 12:07:59 AM
Trump

Biden is president now, no more kids in cages.

Beat you to it Crouton. It's fine when Biden does it. Just like it was fine when Obama did it.

Again, the media is a weapon.

That's not what I-

Fuck it.  The poll in complete nonsense shall decide your fate. 

Good night.  Sleep well, D1.  I'll most likely ban you in the morning.

You do you man.
Enjoy your echo chamber.

Save it for the poll.  You'll need to do some convincing.

Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Eren on March 26, 2021, 12:10:37 AM
The strong take what they will and the weak are powerless to stop them.

Here you are strong and I am weak, do as you will.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on March 26, 2021, 12:14:24 AM
I am weak

I think I hear the worlds smallest violin playing somewhere
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Eren on March 26, 2021, 12:19:44 AM
It was a statement of fact. Croutons position as moderator gives him power here
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on April 05, 2021, 01:35:39 PM
Joe Biden wants to raise the corporate tax rate. Good stuff

(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/a0b1d0d520b659c7f2c4fc59499a0afad6cb8ff4/0_52_5995_3599/master/5995.jpg?width=445&quality=45&auto=format&fit=max&dpr=2&s=42dec9a7a4550b48f61772a69c1a563c)
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Themightykabool on April 05, 2021, 02:06:53 PM
Joe Biden wants to raise the corporate tax rate. Good stuff

(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/a0b1d0d520b659c7f2c4fc59499a0afad6cb8ff4/0_52_5995_3599/master/5995.jpg?width=445&quality=45&auto=format&fit=max&dpr=2&s=42dec9a7a4550b48f61772a69c1a563c)

a 1term president has nothing to fear (as noted by predecesor).
gitt'r done.
have a legacy (vs infamy).


also, biden sucks.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Jamie on April 06, 2021, 07:57:50 AM
Joe Biden wants to raise the corporate tax rate. Good stuff

(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/a0b1d0d520b659c7f2c4fc59499a0afad6cb8ff4/0_52_5995_3599/master/5995.jpg?width=445&quality=45&auto=format&fit=max&dpr=2&s=42dec9a7a4550b48f61772a69c1a563c)

This a good, balanced article about corporate tax: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/01/corporation-tax-good-or-bad-for-growth/

As for myself, I don't necessarily support/see the benefit of raising the corporate tax. I imagine that 21% is a better balance than 28% of having businesses contribute to the stable, thriving society they depend on while still incentivizing growth and recognizing that businesses pay taxes in a plethora of other ways.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Lorddave on April 06, 2021, 08:28:28 AM
Joe Biden wants to raise the corporate tax rate. Good stuff

(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/a0b1d0d520b659c7f2c4fc59499a0afad6cb8ff4/0_52_5995_3599/master/5995.jpg?width=445&quality=45&auto=format&fit=max&dpr=2&s=42dec9a7a4550b48f61772a69c1a563c)

This a good, balanced article about corporate tax: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/01/corporation-tax-good-or-bad-for-growth/

As for myself, I don't necessarily support/see the benefit of raising the corporate tax. I imagine that 21% is a better balance than 28% of having businesses contribute to the stable, thriving society they depend on while still incentivizing growth and recognizing that businesses pay taxes in a plethora of other ways.

Buuuttt... They don't pay taxes.  Corporations often use loopholes and tax writeoffs to basically pay no taxes.  That 21% isn't even actual payment.  Closer to 1%.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Stash on April 06, 2021, 08:40:11 AM
I have no idea how the corporate write-off mechanics work, but they are powerful. This from just today:

Salesforce paid no federal income tax in 2020 despite $2.6 billion in profit
https://www.sfchronicle.com/business/article/Salesforce-paid-no-federal-income-tax-in-2020-16078479.php

55 Corporations Paid $0 in Federal Taxes on 2020 Profits
At least 55 of the largest corporations in America paid no federal corporate income taxes in their most recent fiscal year despite enjoying substantial pretax profits in the United States. This continues a decades-long trend of corporate tax avoidance by the biggest U.S. corporations, and it appears to be the product of long-standing tax breaks preserved or expanded by the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA) as well as the CARES Act tax breaks enacted in the spring of 2020.
https://itep.org/55-profitable-corporations-zero-corporate-tax/
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on April 06, 2021, 08:46:36 AM
Joe Biden wants to raise the corporate tax rate. Good stuff

(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/a0b1d0d520b659c7f2c4fc59499a0afad6cb8ff4/0_52_5995_3599/master/5995.jpg?width=445&quality=45&auto=format&fit=max&dpr=2&s=42dec9a7a4550b48f61772a69c1a563c)

This a good, balanced article about corporate tax: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/01/corporation-tax-good-or-bad-for-growth/

As for myself, I don't necessarily support/see the benefit of raising the corporate tax. I imagine that 21% is a better balance than 28% of having businesses contribute to the stable, thriving society they depend on while still incentivizing growth and recognizing that businesses pay taxes in a plethora of other ways.

If they did that primarily for growth, new hires, r&d then that would be great.  But that really wouldn't be their first choice for that surplus.  Mostly that tax cut for the super rich during the Trump administration went into stock buybacks.  https://apnews.com/article/438fae12f9204b1fbd8e8b1985ae554f

Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: markjo on April 06, 2021, 09:00:10 AM
A lot of big corporations don't pay much of anything in state or local taxes either because of incentives offered to lure businesses in.  Remember all of the tax breaks everybody was offering Amazon when they were looking to build a new headquarters?
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Jamie on April 06, 2021, 10:04:40 AM
Obviously closing tax loopholes and limiting write-offs is important.

But I stand by my statement -- in principle, I support a somewhat lower corporate tax rate.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Themightykabool on April 06, 2021, 12:14:26 PM
So long as those corporations pollute the local area, work the population to death, and dont leave any actual money in the neighbourhood and instead cripple it when they uproot to mexico, leaving all those invested the service industry to lose their startup.

Yes
Down with corporate taxes.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Jamie on April 06, 2021, 05:38:46 PM
So long as those corporations pollute the local area, work the population to death, and dont leave any actual money in the neighbourhood and instead cripple it when they uproot to mexico, leaving all those invested the service industry to lose their startup.

Yes
Down with corporate taxes.

4,587 posts and I still can't ever figure out what you're trying to say.  ;)

All jesting aside, it depends on the corporation. What about Ben & Jerry's?
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Themightykabool on April 06, 2021, 06:14:29 PM
Pay your taxes to support the human and land resources the company uses to make profits.

Treat your employees fairly so they dont have to unionize.

If you do it good for you.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: boydster on April 06, 2021, 07:05:02 PM
Maybe we could incentivize that kind of behavior with tax breaks, and if companies don't comply, they are just subject to higher tax rates like they have been historically? I like that idea. Make the loopholes feel less like loopholes, and more like just doing the right thing.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on April 07, 2021, 02:12:10 AM
All jesting aside, it depends on the corporation. What about Ben & Jerry's?
You mean Unilever don't you?  "Ben & Jerry's" is just one of their many brand names.

Unilever exists for the same reasons all the other publicly traded companies exist:  to maximise the return on investment to shareholders.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Themightykabool on April 07, 2021, 04:23:54 AM
Maybe we could incentivize that kind of behavior with tax breaks, and if companies don't comply, they are just subject to higher tax rates like they have been historically? I like that idea. Make the loopholes feel less like loopholes, and more like just doing the right thing.

Then you need a 2ndary audit system.
No one has time to police "being good".
Barely funded urs to go after the big corp and their armies of lawyers and shell companies.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: boydster on April 07, 2021, 05:55:15 AM
That's a neat supposition. I don't think it's accurate though. Cooking the books is already illegal. Showing an actual paper trail that you reinvested a percentage of profits into your employees, for example, isn't a hard thing to accomplish.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Themightykabool on April 07, 2021, 06:47:40 AM
Already illegal
But alrwady many legal loopholes allow for people to hide and avoid taxes
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: DuckDodgers on April 07, 2021, 07:40:07 AM
That's a neat supposition. I don't think it's accurate though. Cooking the books is already illegal. Showing an actual paper trail that you reinvested a percentage of profits into your employees, for example, isn't a hard thing to accomplish.
I can get behind a high corporate tax with tax breaks for meeting certain goals to better society.  Make a minimum tax rate of 25% which a company would pay if they meet all goals and make the max rate something like 70%.  Give a break for having a certain rate of lowest employee pay to CEO compensation, including stock options and other benefits, which is easily reported and auditable.  Give another break for offering parental leave.  I'm sure there are more things that could be easily reported and also easily audited, so as to not add a ton of additional complexity to already complex tax filings.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Jamie on April 07, 2021, 07:51:30 AM
I can get behind a high corporate tax with tax breaks for meeting certain goals to better society.  Make a minimum tax rate of 25% which a company would pay if they meet all goals and make the max rate something like 70%.  Give a break for having a certain rate of lowest employee pay to CEO compensation, including stock options and other benefits, which is easily reported and auditable.  Give another break for offering parental leave.  I'm sure there are more things that could be easily reported and also easily audited, so as to not add a ton of additional complexity to already complex tax filings.

I do like this idea.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on April 07, 2021, 12:11:50 PM
I've thought for a long time that trickle down could work if we made it work. Just giving these corporations tax breaks is not enough.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JJA on April 07, 2021, 12:43:35 PM
Trickle down does work. It's called corporate taxes. :)

It doesn't work when you give rich people even more money with the expectation they will spread this extra wealth around, even though they could already DO that because, you know, being rich. Instead they pocket it, which surprises no one.

Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on April 07, 2021, 12:47:55 PM
Giving corporations tax breaks with the expectation that they will spread the extra wealth around is trickle down economics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trickle-down_economics 
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: markjo on April 07, 2021, 01:26:59 PM
I thought that Reagan proved beyond any doubt that trickle down economics doesn't work back in the '80s.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: DuckDodgers on April 07, 2021, 02:04:10 PM
I thought that Reagan proved beyond any doubt that trickle down economics doesn't work back in the '80s.
Reagan proved that it does work, just not in the way you'd think it does.  It works by making the pleebs believe they will one day be the ones to benefit from those tax breaks, so they defend them religiously.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on April 07, 2021, 02:06:17 PM
I thought that Reagan proved beyond any doubt that trickle down economics doesn't work back in the '80s.

Obviously untrue. It works fantastically for corporations.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on April 07, 2021, 02:09:53 PM
Giving corporations tax breaks with the expectation that they will spread the extra wealth around is trickle down economics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trickle-down_economics
Wealth has been continually trickling (sometimes gushing) up since around 1980.  When do you expect it to start going the other way?
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on April 07, 2021, 04:08:56 PM
Giving corporations tax breaks with the expectation that they will spread the extra wealth around is trickle down economics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trickle-down_economics
Wealth has been continually trickling (sometimes gushing) up since around 1980.  When do you expect it to start going the other way?

I do not, I'm not sure why you think I'm arguing in favor of trickle down economics.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Themightykabool on April 07, 2021, 05:04:54 PM
Seriously, scg
Trickle down is proven to not work in so many examples
Quit promoting it
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on April 07, 2021, 05:47:42 PM
Seriously, scg
Trickle down is proven to not work in so many examples
Quit promoting it

I believe you've misunderstood what SCG was saying...
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on April 07, 2021, 05:52:17 PM
OMG  ;D
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on April 08, 2021, 02:45:58 AM
Giving corporations tax breaks with the expectation that they will spread the extra wealth around is trickle down economics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trickle-down_economics
Wealth has been continually trickling (sometimes gushing) up since around 1980.  When do you expect it to start going the other way?

I do not, I'm not sure why you think I'm arguing in favor of trickle down economics.
Because of your words?  But sorry I misunderstood.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Themightykabool on April 08, 2021, 05:00:06 AM
OMG  ;D

Aahahah
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: markjo on April 08, 2021, 06:35:48 AM
Seriously, scg
Trickle down is proven to not work in so many examples
Quit promoting it

I believe you've misunderstood what SCG was saying...
I believe you need a refresher course in sarcasm.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JJA on April 08, 2021, 09:06:34 AM
Did everyone just completely loose the ability to detect sarcasm in this thread?  What a cluster. :)

I'll put my views simply then.  Trickle down does not work.  It's bad for the economy.  It only serves to make the rich wealthier.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on April 08, 2021, 10:30:30 AM
You don't say?
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: markjo on April 08, 2021, 11:34:26 AM
(https://miro.medium.com/max/689/1*gB2myJfIQ_Nklb5T-fdKcA.jpeg)

(https://images.dailykos.com/images/477186/story_image/Trickle_Down_Myth.jpg?1511733056)
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on April 08, 2021, 01:49:00 PM
Uncle Joe is talking gun control today.

Ghost guns - Something I didn't know was an issue. I do think having untraceable guns should be illegal.

Ban assault weapons - This won't go over well with the gun nuts.

Close "Charleston loophole" - Gives more time to complete background checks, I hope they get this one done.

Background checks for guns bought at gun shows - Good, but I wonder about other private sales.

Reauthorize Violence Against Women Act - I think this shouldn't have been allowed to lapse, and I also wonder if this will close the "boyfriend loophole".

Eliminate gun manufacturer immunity - This will require an act of Congress. I don't know if it will get through the senate, and I also don't know if this is a good idea or not. 

There's probably more, but that's what I've seen so far. 
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on April 08, 2021, 01:54:48 PM
Did everyone just completely loose the ability to detect sarcasm in this thread? 
Are you being sarcastic now?
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JJA on April 08, 2021, 05:11:59 PM
Did everyone just completely loose the ability to detect sarcasm in this thread? 
Are you being sarcastic now?
Maybe?
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: DuckDodgers on April 09, 2021, 06:09:50 AM
I don't see how eliminating manufacturer immunity could be a good thing.  I can understand if there was a defect with the gun which caused an injury, but for a gun to be used in a shooting and open the manufacturer to liability for the damages caused sounds dangerous.  You're essentially making one party responsible for a completely unrelated party's actions.  The manufacturers aren't even the ones selling the guns to the people using them.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Shifter on April 09, 2021, 06:50:00 AM
I don't see how eliminating manufacturer immunity could be a good thing.  I can understand if there was a defect with the gun which caused an injury, but for a gun to be used in a shooting and open the manufacturer to liability for the damages caused sounds dangerous.  You're essentially making one party responsible for a completely unrelated party's actions.  The manufacturers aren't even the ones selling the guns to the people using them.

Yeah and where would it end? If the shooter was a big fan of the Call of Duty games will the studio of those games be held accountable? (no sympathy if the studio is EA. F those guys lol)

Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Themightykabool on April 09, 2021, 06:58:58 AM
I don't see how eliminating manufacturer immunity could be a good thing.  I can understand if there was a defect with the gun which caused an injury, but for a gun to be used in a shooting and open the manufacturer to liability for the damages caused sounds dangerous.  You're essentially making one party responsible for a completely unrelated party's actions.  The manufacturers aren't even the ones selling the guns to the people using them.

might force them to remove items like bump stocks and large mags for regular folk

side note
could this extend to social media platforms?
Zuckface tried to deny liability
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: DuckDodgers on April 09, 2021, 07:55:23 AM
I don't see how eliminating manufacturer immunity could be a good thing.  I can understand if there was a defect with the gun which caused an injury, but for a gun to be used in a shooting and open the manufacturer to liability for the damages caused sounds dangerous.  You're essentially making one party responsible for a completely unrelated party's actions.  The manufacturers aren't even the ones selling the guns to the people using them.

might force them to remove items like bump stocks and large mags for regular folk

side note
could this extend to social media platforms?
Zuckface tried to deny liability
Or you could just institute a ban on bump stocks or limit magazine sizes if that is what you want.  Making gun manufacturers liable could be extended in other areas.  Someone gets into a head-on collision because of a drunk driver, now that person could sue both the car manufacturer and the brewing company for the drunk driver's actions.  Someone chokes on a chicken bone or has an allergic reaction to a food, sue the farmer which raised/grew the food.  It just doesn't make sense in any way, you can't hold a company responsible for the actions of someone who uses their products yet have no interaction with.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on April 09, 2021, 07:58:58 AM
I don't see how eliminating manufacturer immunity could be a good thing.  I can understand if there was a defect with the gun which caused an injury, but for a gun to be used in a shooting and open the manufacturer to liability for the damages caused sounds dangerous.  You're essentially making one party responsible for a completely unrelated party's actions.  The manufacturers aren't even the ones selling the guns to the people using them.

might force them to remove items like bump stocks and large mags for regular folk

side note
could this extend to social media platforms?
Zuckface tried to deny liability
Or you could just institute a ban on bump stocks or limit magazine sizes if that is what you want.  Making gun manufacturers liable could be extended in other areas.  Someone gets into a head-on collision because of a drunk driver, now that person could sue both the car manufacturer and the brewing company for the drunk driver's actions.  Someone chokes on a chicken bone or has an allergic reaction to a food, sue the farmer which raised/grew the food.  It just doesn't make sense in any way, you can't hold a company responsible for the actions of someone who uses their products yet have no interaction with.

This is exactly why I don't think it's such a good idea.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: JJA on April 09, 2021, 08:07:22 AM
Holding gun manufacturers liable isn't going to solve anything. Realistically that would last until the first lawsuit gets to the now highly conservative Supreme Court which will just shoot it down.

And lets be honest here, hand guns and automatics are designed and built to kill people. It seems weird to sue a company because their products worked as designed.

I'm liberal and don't support most gun legislation because I think it's not an issue that can be solved with a few laws. At this point the GOP has made guns a huge wedge issue, and convinced Republican voters that Democrats want to raid their homes, steal their guns and put them all into reeducation camps. Tell a Republican you are a Democrat with a gun and they look at you like you're a unicorn.

Biden's executive orders won't do anything, they can just be reversed by the next President.  Even if not, they won't make a dent.

There are only two solutions.  Get rid of the guns, or get rid of the environment that makes people use them. Anyone looking at things realistically is going to know that getting rid of them just isn't going to happen. It's just not. That leaves the second option, which sucks because there isn't much we can do THERE either. But at least that is something we could realistically improve.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Themightykabool on April 09, 2021, 09:51:20 AM
I don't see how eliminating manufacturer immunity could be a good thing.  I can understand if there was a defect with the gun which caused an injury, but for a gun to be used in a shooting and open the manufacturer to liability for the damages caused sounds dangerous.  You're essentially making one party responsible for a completely unrelated party's actions.  The manufacturers aren't even the ones selling the guns to the people using them.

might force them to remove items like bump stocks and large mags for regular folk

side note
could this extend to social media platforms?
Zuckface tried to deny liability
Or you could just institute a ban on bump stocks or limit magazine sizes if that is what you want.  Making gun manufacturers liable could be extended in other areas.  Someone gets into a head-on collision because of a drunk driver, now that person could sue both the car manufacturer and the brewing company for the drunk driver's actions.  Someone chokes on a chicken bone or has an allergic reaction to a food, sue the farmer which raised/grew the food.  It just doesn't make sense in any way, you can't hold a company responsible for the actions of someone who uses their products yet have no interaction with.

I can own a ferrari but i cant race it on regular roads, i have to take it to a track
Tobacco and beer have specific rules in advertising to minors.

Bannong bumpstocks and mags is part of it but its these companies skirting the rules to make products that essentially do the same thing.
Bumpstock dodges full auto.
Having kits to convert semi to full auto also possible.


Not holding the inappropriate actions to the individual but having avenues for use and appropriate restrictions.
If gun lobby was held accountable they would limit a lot of their lobbying and advertising efforts.

I mean look at fox being sued for having mypillow guy on there.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Lorddave on April 09, 2021, 11:07:26 AM
I don't see how eliminating manufacturer immunity could be a good thing.  I can understand if there was a defect with the gun which caused an injury, but for a gun to be used in a shooting and open the manufacturer to liability for the damages caused sounds dangerous.  You're essentially making one party responsible for a completely unrelated party's actions.  The manufacturers aren't even the ones selling the guns to the people using them.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: DuckDodgers on April 09, 2021, 11:11:29 AM
I don't see how eliminating manufacturer immunity could be a good thing.  I can understand if there was a defect with the gun which caused an injury, but for a gun to be used in a shooting and open the manufacturer to liability for the damages caused sounds dangerous.  You're essentially making one party responsible for a completely unrelated party's actions.  The manufacturers aren't even the ones selling the guns to the people using them.

might force them to remove items like bump stocks and large mags for regular folk

side note
could this extend to social media platforms?
Zuckface tried to deny liability
Or you could just institute a ban on bump stocks or limit magazine sizes if that is what you want.  Making gun manufacturers liable could be extended in other areas.  Someone gets into a head-on collision because of a drunk driver, now that person could sue both the car manufacturer and the brewing company for the drunk driver's actions.  Someone chokes on a chicken bone or has an allergic reaction to a food, sue the farmer which raised/grew the food.  It just doesn't make sense in any way, you can't hold a company responsible for the actions of someone who uses their products yet have no interaction with.

I can own a ferrari but i cant race it on regular roads, i have to take it to a track
Tobacco and beer have specific rules in advertising to minors.

Bannong bumpstocks and mags is part of it but its these companies skirting the rules to make products that essentially do the same thing.
Bumpstock dodges full auto.
Having kits to convert semi to full auto also possible.


Not holding the inappropriate actions to the individual but having avenues for use and appropriate restrictions.
If gun lobby was held accountable they would limit a lot of their lobbying and advertising efforts.

I mean look at fox being sued for having mypillow guy on there.
How many mass shootings have been conducted using bump stocks or something else that circumvents restrictions in place on guns?  The only one I can think of is the Las Vegas shooting.  Those full automatic conversion kits are as regulated as full automatic weapons, you have to have a special license to obtain one.  Besides, there are things people can do without the kits to turn their semiautomatics into full automatic without the kits, but doing this is illegal.  I don't recall hearing of any mass shooting being conducted with a fully automatic weapon though.

You're missing the mark here.  You can own a ferrari and illegally race it on the street.  If you do this, someone effected by your stupid decision can't sue the manufacturer, which is a good thing.  Hold the accountable party responsible.

Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Unconvinced on April 09, 2021, 11:52:14 AM
You probably can’t hold manufacturers responsible for individual incidents, but maybe the industry and its lobbyists should be accountable for doing everything they can to block legislation and bolster the culture of gun ownership.  And a lot of that is spreading fear.  They are the ones filling the country with guns and then they tell you that the only way to protect yourself and your family from all the people with guns is to buy their guns.  You can’t deny the results, but doesn’t that seem a tad unethical?
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Space Cowgirl on April 09, 2021, 12:04:24 PM
Definitely makes a lot more sense to me to go after the lobbyists instead of the manufacturers. Lobby groups need some kind of regulation anyway, imo.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Themightykabool on April 09, 2021, 12:10:01 PM
I don't see how eliminating manufacturer immunity could be a good thing.  I can understand if there was a defect with the gun which caused an injury, but for a gun to be used in a shooting and open the manufacturer to liability for the damages caused sounds dangerous.  You're essentially making one party responsible for a completely unrelated party's actions.  The manufacturers aren't even the ones selling the guns to the people using them.

might force them to remove items like bump stocks and large mags for regular folk

side note
could this extend to social media platforms?
Zuckface tried to deny liability
Or you could just institute a ban on bump stocks or limit magazine sizes if that is what you want.  Making gun manufacturers liable could be extended in other areas.  Someone gets into a head-on collision because of a drunk driver, now that person could sue both the car manufacturer and the brewing company for the drunk driver's actions.  Someone chokes on a chicken bone or has an allergic reaction to a food, sue the farmer which raised/grew the food.  It just doesn't make sense in any way, you can't hold a company responsible for the actions of someone who uses their products yet have no interaction with.

I can own a ferrari but i cant race it on regular roads, i have to take it to a track
Tobacco and beer have specific rules in advertising to minors.

Bannong bumpstocks and mags is part of it but its these companies skirting the rules to make products that essentially do the same thing.
Bumpstock dodges full auto.
Having kits to convert semi to full auto also possible.


Not holding the inappropriate actions to the individual but having avenues for use and appropriate restrictions.
If gun lobby was held accountable they would limit a lot of their lobbying and advertising efforts.

I mean look at fox being sued for having mypillow guy on there.
How many mass shootings have been conducted using bump stocks or something else that circumvents restrictions in place on guns?  The only one I can think of is the Las Vegas shooting.  Those full automatic conversion kits are as regulated as full automatic weapons, you have to have a special license to obtain one.  Besides, there are things people can do without the kits to turn their semiautomatics into full automatic without the kits, but doing this is illegal.  I don't recall hearing of any mass shooting being conducted with a fully automatic weapon though.

You're missing the mark here.  You can own a ferrari and illegally race it on the street.  If you do this, someone effected by your stupid decision can't sue the manufacturer, which is a good thing.  Hold the accountable party responsible.


Good point.

Guess only point left is advertising practices and lobby practices.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Crouton on April 13, 2021, 11:56:58 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/biden-us-troop-withdrawal-afghanistan/2021/04/13/918c3cae-9beb-11eb-8a83-3bc1fa69c2e8_story.html

We're getting the fuck out of Afghanistan and it only took us 20 years.

Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Themightykabool on April 13, 2021, 12:01:09 PM
worked well for obama...

hope biden has a better exit strategy

ISIS-II
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Lorddave on April 13, 2021, 12:43:51 PM
worked well for obama...

hope biden has a better exit strategy

ISIS-II

Can't be worse than Trump's exit stratagy: Stand aside and let the bad guys in.
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: Themightykabool on April 13, 2021, 01:35:44 PM
worked well for obama...

hope biden has a better exit strategy

ISIS-II

Can't be worse than Trump's exit stratagy: Stand aside and let the bad guys in.


trump didn't know what was going on.

but if you look at the timing, they moved away from kurds because he likes erdogan, but also because he was trying to pick a fight with iran and needed to shift troops a-ready at the border.
(which luckily failed, at the cost of 1 full jet liner 167people).
Title: Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
Post by: MouseWalker on April 22, 2021, 11:07:29 AM
Now you have Joe Biden releasing the whirlwind so it’s time to batten down the hatches and hang on.
What is happening on the southern border, be the only thing, is yet to be seen?