Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe

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dutchy

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #600 on: August 22, 2017, 01:11:31 AM »
As i understand correctly every glober thinks that resitance is futile is a simplemind in a league of his own.
:D :D Really, you don't know half of what I have put into PM's about Resistance.is.Futile:D :D
We've got to keep our favorite troll well fed, or he might go cold on us.

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But the neutral will understand he is on his own and adequately driving you nuts !!!
Rabinoz is working around the clock like never before to post the exact eclips info, precise details, pictures, diagrams and accompanying math.......

Resistance is futile owns you completely.......please continue it is better than satire !!
I have wondered whether Resistance.is.Futile is really a flat earther, he's much too smart to be fooled be the stuff he posts.
The real satire just might be for you to find out whose  ;D ;D alt  Resistance.is.Futile really i's.   ;D ;D
No i can't take much more ,....  this defies the laws of sanity. You mean resistance is futile is a glober in disquise and you know because there is some ongoing traffic in the PM that confirms the smart person behind the troll resistance is futile ?

Please be gentile with me when mentioning my name to the CIA,...... i've got three lovely kids >:(
And if i have to leave this place,..... say so Mister Rabinoz.

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #601 on: August 22, 2017, 01:57:28 AM »
And if i have to leave this place,..... say so Mister Rabinoz.
I can't make anyone do anything, but
Now, do you have something relevant to the topic "Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe"?

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #602 on: August 22, 2017, 02:10:25 AM »
Your explanation is not satisfactory.
There is nothing unsatisfactory about my explanation, at least not to any honest, rational, intelligent person.

If you think there is something wrong with it, quote the part you think is wrong and explain why it is wrong.
Stop just repeating the same refuted BS.

Your nonsense insults people's intelligence.
Nope, that would be yours.
I'm not the one spouting nonsense.

Everyone has seen the waxing crescent moon in the sky in the daytime in direct line of the sun just as the new moon will be in the states tomorrow several hours after midday.
No they haven't. If it was in the direct line of the sun, it would block out the sun resulting in an eclipse. Not everyone has seen that.
Instead what they have seen is the moon close to the sun as a crescent moon, with the crescent getting smaller as it gets closer to the sun, exactly as you would expect for a RE.

If your model was correct and not a deception the whole moon ( full moon )would be illuminated by the Sun's light and as such the full moon would be visable.
No, that would be your deception regarding the HC model, or if the moon was a flat disc (where either it would be entirely illuminated as a circle/ellipse or it would be entirely dark.
In the HC model, as the sun is very far away, 400 times further than the moon (roughly), one hemisphere would be illumined, the hemisphere which faces the sun.
As the moon gets closer and closer to a new moon (i.e. closer and closer to the sun), this hemisphere is pointing more and more away from us (and towards the sun). At a perfect new moon (i.e. solar eclipse), it is facing directly away, and thus the moon is not illuminated (except by reflection from Earth).

So no, if the HC model was correct (which it is, at least when discussing just the solar system), then you would only expect a full moon when the moon is on the opposite side of Earth, such that from the moon the sun and Earth are in the same direction.

Everyone can verify for themselves that when the full moon is visible that the light it provides is uniformly consistent on it's entire visible surface which would be impossible if it was a sphere reflecting the sun's light as your heliocentric brethren claim ;  it is only possible for a flat disc to reflect light in such a manor and not a sphere that is covered in dust.
Nope. That only applies if it is a specular reflection. It is not, or if the light source is very close to the sphere making the path lengths significantly different
Instead it is diffuse reflection or scattering from distant light so the path length difference is negligible. When a sphere scatters light like that it is uniform in all directions, for example, this styrofoam ball presumably illuminated by sunlight:
https://www.dhresource.com/webp/m/albu_1023834140_00-1.0x0/wholesale-we-have-all-different-sized-styrofoam.jpg

Where even the scattered light from the atmosphere and ground make it difficult to detect the bottom is darker.

The earth on your model is also four times bigger than the sun so when the moon is at it's highest elevation possible at midnight the sun would be illuminating the opposite side of your imaginary Globe.
Only during a perfect alignment, which results in a lunar eclipse.
With imperfect alignment, even only slight, as I showed before, the moon is well out of Earth's shadow.

On your heliocentric model you claim the moon rotates.
And it does.

Everyone can verify for themselves that we only ever see one side of the moon regardless of the time of day or night it is visible.
BULLSHIT!

Everyone can verify for themselves, by taking photos of the moon as the month progresses, that it wobbles.

Regardless, as the moon is in a different position, the only way to see the same side is if it rotates to keep the same side facing us.

So even if they did verify that we always see the same side, they would be verifying that it rotates.

No one has " EVER " seen the alleged dark side of the moon and no one " EVER " will this is because it is a fabrication used to reinforce your Heliocentric deception and it doesn't exist.
Yes they have.
And it isn't the dark side, just the far side.


This video describes how and why the moon is just a luminary.
Put in the effort and provide the argument here, or I will just dismiss as it childish nonsense which you can't even be bothered wasting your time on.

You are no better than old Rab and old Rab is no match for me and you will learn like Rab that debating your old tired worn out heliocentric model with me is pure folly.
Really? Because I seem to be wiping the floor with you, with you just spouting childish crap any intelligent child could refute. So if Rab is better than me, I would hate to image what he does to you.

Mark 4:19
So now resorting to more delusional bullshit?

Your Strange Heliocentric Religion is False.
But you think your strange blood cult of Christianity is true, even though it contradicts itself and reality?

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #603 on: August 22, 2017, 02:12:26 AM »
I have debunked all your falsehoods starting with the Greeks and their 'shipmasts' and measuring shadows in Alexandria.
But your broken reccord of globular propaganda is unstoppable.
And you let no other info get in the way of your boring mantra's
Really? I am yet to see you debunk a thing. I have seen you repeatedly fail at trying to debunk things, but no actual debunking.


Nothing of the sorts !! I did not partake in this topic, but had to after my name was mentioned in this topic to redicule me. So please allow me to clear my name and debunk false accusations with a little background info.
You mean with blatant lies?

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #604 on: August 22, 2017, 04:30:35 AM »
I have debunked all your falsehoods starting with the Greeks and their 'shipmasts'
My falsehoods? Where have I presented any "falsehoods starting with the Greeks and their 'shipmasts"?
You have debunked them? I must have missed that, please show where you managed to do that.
[youtube][/youtube]
:D Those masts and sails sure seem to disappear  :D
Many more where they come from.

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and measuring shadows in Alexandria.
A simple extension of "those shadows" virtually proves that the earth is a Globe, so you attack Erastosthanes at your own risk.
On Erastosthanes on his well, stick and shadows,  you could look at this post and the following discussion with Silicon and JackBlack.
Re: A few questions « Reply #39 on: August 21, 2017, 10:02:06 PM »

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But your broken reccord of globular propaganda is unstoppable.
And you let no other info get in the way of your boring mantra's
My boring mantras! You say that after  Resistance.is.Futile posts the same old boring claim at the end of every post!.

My evidence for the Globe might be unstoppable, but the record is far from being broken - one might say "from BC to evermore", till "THE END" anyway.

No, your just saying that you have debunked these things is meaningless.

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #605 on: August 22, 2017, 04:36:34 AM »
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Please be gentile with me when mentioning my name to the CIA,...... i've got three lovely kids >:(
And if i have to leave this place,..... say so Mister Rabinoz.

you have kids?
i really hope you do not teach the you idiotic believes.

 

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #606 on: August 22, 2017, 05:08:24 AM »

https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/4579

OMG! Where are the stars on that video? Where are the satellites? Again, NASA photoshopping! Proof the earth is flat. Proof that satellites don't exist.

BTW, we can explain away why there are literally hundreds of millions of households around the globe who have put up satellite dishes on their rooftops and balconies in order to watch satellite TV by just waving our flattard hands and saying "marketing gimmick" or somesuch ultra dumb flattard BS.

Why do those dishes work only after having been calibrated to an exact satellite precisely? ::: "marketing gimmick"
Why are the thousands of employees of hundreds of companies producing satellite dishes and receivers are not giving the secret away that all they do is a "marketing gimmick"? ::: NASA konspiracee.

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #607 on: August 22, 2017, 06:16:43 AM »
As i understand correctly every glober thinks that resitance is futile is a simplemind in a league of his own.
:D :D Really, you don't know half of what I have put into PM's about Resistance.is.Futile:D :D
We've got to keep our favorite troll well fed, or he might go cold on us.

Quote from: dutchy
But the neutral will understand he is on his own and adequately driving you nuts !!!
Rabinoz is working around the clock like never before to post the exact eclips info, precise details, pictures, diagrams and accompanying math.......

Resistance is futile owns you completely.......please continue it is better than satire !!
I have wondered whether Resistance.is.Futile is really a flat earther, he's much too smart to be fooled be the stuff he posts.
The real satire just might be for you to find out whose  ;D ;D alt  Resistance.is.Futile really i's.   ;D ;D
No i can't take much more ,....  this defies the laws of sanity. You mean resistance is futile is a glober in disquise and you know because there is some ongoing traffic in the PM that confirms the smart person behind the troll resistance is futile ?

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Without a clear indication of the author's intent, it is difficult or impossible to tell the difference between an expression of sincere extremism and a parody of extremism.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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dutchy

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #608 on: August 22, 2017, 06:49:37 AM »
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Please be gentile with me when mentioning my name to the CIA,...... i've got three lovely kids >:(
And if i have to leave this place,..... say so Mister Rabinoz.

you have kids?
i really hope you do not teach the you idiotic believes.
Ahhhhh it is getting worse...

Like a topic at these forums showed, most globers would either fire 'flatearthers' or silence them in a working/social environment.
You are not the first to make comments about my children in relation to my conviction.
What's next ? Flatearthers can't make babies ?
And then send them to a reeducation camp ?
I am sure that NASA has not destroyed all blueprints and some archived data about nazi camps (all rehabilitated rocket scientists)  are known and could come in handy to reeducate flatearthers before they inject their venom into the next globe generation. ;D

My children know nothing about my convictions, apart from the faked moonlandings and the 9/11 inside job by the neo cons (Rumsfeld and Cheney).
They don't find it particular interresting, but they certainly see it as a genuine possibility that America faked the moonlandings and far over half of the population believes that America was responsable for 9/11 in the worst case scenario but most believe that the secret services were well aware of the attack but looked the other way.

My eldest son is an historian and he knows a lot about modern history and a faked moonlanding fits the Nixon administration perfectly and so does 9/11 and the neo con agenda.
In Europe we don't cry and feel fuzzy when we see the 'stars and stripes' we shake our heads in disbelieve.

But flatearth is something they have to discover on their own .....or not.......and i wouldn't want it any other way.
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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #609 on: August 22, 2017, 07:01:26 AM »
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Please be gentile with me when mentioning my name to the CIA,...... i've got three lovely kids >:(
And if i have to leave this place,..... say so Mister Rabinoz.

you have kids?
i really hope you do not teach the you idiotic believes.
Ahhhhh it is getting worse...

Like a topic at these forums showed, most globers would either fire 'flatearthers' or silence them in a working/social environment.
You are not the first to make comments about my children in relation to my conviction.
What's next ? Flatearthers can't make babies ?
And then send them to a reeducation camp ?
I am sure that NASA has not destroyed all blueprints and some archived data about nazi camps (all rehabilitated rocket scientists)  are known and could come in handy to reeducate flatearthers before they inject their venom into the next globe generation. ;D

My children know nothing about my convictions, apart from the faked moonlandings and the 9/11 inside job by the neo cons (Rumsfeld and Cheney).
They don't find it particular interresting, but they certainly see it as a genuine possibility that America faked the moonlandings and far over half of the population believes that America was responsable for 9/11 in the worst case scenario but most believe that the secret services were well aware of the attack but looked the other way.

My eldest son is an historian and he knows a lot about modern history and a faked moonlanding fits the Nixon administration perfectly and so does 9/11 and the neo con agenda.
In Europe we don't cry and feel fuzzy when we see the 'stars and stripes' we shake our heads in disbelieve.

But flatearth is something they have to discover on their own .....or not.......and i wouldn't want it any other way.
The one thinking I do believe is family is off limits in a discussion like this.

IMHO, that was over the line.

Mike
Since it costs 2.72¢ to produce a penny, putting in your 2¢ if really worth 5.44¢.

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #610 on: August 22, 2017, 07:02:05 AM »
My eldest son is an historian and he knows a lot about modern history and a faked moonlanding fits the Nixon administration perfectly and so does 9/11 and the neo con agenda.
Perhaps you should have your son explain to you how the moon landings were Kennedy's idea.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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dutchy

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #611 on: August 22, 2017, 07:10:05 AM »
I have debunked all your falsehoods starting with the Greeks and their 'shipmasts'
My falsehoods? Where have I presented any "falsehoods starting with the Greeks and their 'shipmasts"?
You have debunked them? I must have missed that, please show where you managed to do that.
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:D Those masts and sails sure seem to disappear  :D
Your autobot replies mean zero,..... let's see if i can have a normal discussion with you.... not presenting your archived trash.

Many globular spokesmen claim that the earth LOOKS flat because it is so big !
You have to go really high to see something of a curve.
This is brought up many times to convince flatearthers their eyes deceive them and they don't understand how big the globe really is.

On the otherhand the ancient Greeks seem to understand the earth is a globe by looking to tiny ships they thought had sinking masts over a curvature.
Neither did they have camera's like in your example
Greece has also hundreds of isles that can be seen in good weather over long distances, so a flatearth assumption would be the only logical thing.

So if anyone would conclude on eyesight that the earth was flat it must have been the Greeks.
No optics, no modern tools, small ships with tiny masts compared the the sailboats of the 17the century.
Little education, extreme supersticion and more.

And you keep coming back as if the Greeks understood the earth to be a globe !
While modern men still see the earth as flat because it is to big to really see why it is a globe.
Therefor your absolute gibberish about the Greeks is not only annoying, it is false, far fetched and who the hell are the Greeks ?
Besides a few mythical figures you know nothing about them...... and neither do i.

But to conclude that 'the Greeks' knew the earth was a sphere is the dumbest thing i've ever heard......and a handfull of elite induviduals do not account for 'the Greeks'

I am afraid it is simply beyond you to even comprehend this grounded logic.
« Last Edit: August 22, 2017, 07:17:43 AM by dutchy »

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #612 on: August 22, 2017, 07:13:20 AM »
You smoke too much weed, dutchy.
« Last Edit: August 22, 2017, 07:35:17 AM by User324 »
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dutchy

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #613 on: August 22, 2017, 07:15:36 AM »
You smoke too mich weed, dutchy.
Dutch peolpe do not smoke weed, foreigners do who think Amsterdam is Sodom.
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markjo

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #614 on: August 22, 2017, 07:31:34 AM »
So if anyone would conclude on eyesight that the earth was flat it must have been the Greeks.
No optics, no modern tools, small ships with tiny masts compared the the sailboats of the 17the century.
Actually, the sinking ship phenomenon was only one of several parts to the Ancient Greek belief of a round earth.

There was the changing elevation of Polaris and the constellations as you move north and south.

There was also the round shadow on the moon during a lunar eclipse.

But most of all, there were philosophers who were willing to spend more than just a few minutes to think a problem through.

Here is a pretty good history of the development of RET.
http://www.arvindguptatoys.com/arvindgupta/earthpix.pdf
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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dutchy

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #615 on: August 22, 2017, 08:02:51 AM »
So if anyone would conclude on eyesight that the earth was flat it must have been the Greeks.
No optics, no modern tools, small ships with tiny masts compared the the sailboats of the 17the century.
Actually, the sinking ship phenomenon was only one of several parts to the Ancient Greek belief of a round earth.

There was the changing elevation of Polaris and the constellations as you move north and south.

There was also the round shadow on the moon during a lunar eclipse.

But most of all, there were philosophers who were willing to spend more than just a few minutes to think a problem through.

Here is a pretty good history of the development of RET.
http://www.arvindguptatoys.com/arvindgupta/earthpix.pdf
Don't you really understand what you are doing ?
I am aware of the origans of the supposed globe.
What i did was to abbandon the 'wiki copy paiste logic' that varifies whatever you like.
History is extremely delicate.

The only thing i tried to do is show you how absurd it is to acknowledge that in modern times the earth looks flat because it is sooooo big and in backwards times they didn't bother how it looked because they knew it was curved because they understood the implication of sinking masts and other info !

Far more logical is :
The globeearth hypothetical believes were the fabrication of some ancient intellectuals that had nothing to do (like the biblical Paul says) then to think of something new, for the sake of thinking about something new.
The notion that the Greeks ( what an exotic exaggeration) understood the earth to be a globe is false.
The notion that some intellectuals who had enough time and money to fantasise about new ideas concerning men, the gods and the heavens is way more probable.

The heliocentric model needs strong and solid roots to convince modern men of those things he can't observe himself. It sounds convincing that we know the earth to be a sphere for 2400 years. "Even the Greeks knew that....."

I am afraid that creative thinking and an open mind is something the average glober isn't capable of.
Copying the works of others is the end of all discussions.

A shame really !
« Last Edit: August 22, 2017, 08:05:30 AM by dutchy »

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #616 on: August 22, 2017, 08:11:45 AM »
So if anyone would conclude on eyesight that the earth was flat it must have been the Greeks.
No optics, no modern tools, small ships with tiny masts compared the the sailboats of the 17the century.
Little education, extreme supersticion and more.

And you keep coming back as if the Greeks understood the earth to be a globe !
According to this logic (you are dutch if I understood correctly?) you can also claim that dutch people don't understand even now that earth is round. Am I correct?
Rowbotham had bad eyesight
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #617 on: August 22, 2017, 08:44:21 AM »
The heliocentric model needs strong and solid roots to convince modern men of those things he can't observe himself. It sounds convincing that we know the earth to be a sphere for 2400 years. "Even the Greeks knew that....."
The heliocentric model is strong enough to predict the path of totality of yesterday's eclipse with enough accuracy that people had made hotel reservations years ahead of time to watch the eclipse.  Do you have any idea of how many people would have been highly pissed off if that prediction was wrong?

Do you suppose that anyone will ever have enough confidence in FET's ability to predict the path of the 2024 eclipse (which the RET model says should be less than 100 miles from where I live)?
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #618 on: August 22, 2017, 09:30:24 AM »
Do you suppose that anyone will ever have enough confidence in FET's ability to predict the path of the 2024 eclipse (which the RET model says should be less than 100 miles from where I live)?
Sure. In the footsteps of John Davis - It happens on 2024 with the predetermined path.
Rowbotham had bad eyesight
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #619 on: August 22, 2017, 10:58:48 AM »
So what will you flattards do on the 22nd when nothing changes? Are you going to cry? commit suicide? If you flatties are so sure the world will change after the eclipse lets set up some form of paypal or bitcoin situation and then you can put your money where your belief is?

I thought this solar eclipse was suppose to debunk the globe conspiracy? The earth is still a sphere and flat earthers are still in denial. What excuse does retards are fertile have for us now that his prediction was BS? Even the FEs know deep down they are full of crap thats why none of them took us up on the bet that the world was going to change after the eclipse.

 ;D https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=71691.0
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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #620 on: August 22, 2017, 11:47:30 AM »
So if anyone would conclude on eyesight that the earth was flat it must have been the Greeks.
No optics, no modern tools, small ships with tiny masts compared the the sailboats of the 17the century.
Actually, the sinking ship phenomenon was only one of several parts to the Ancient Greek belief of a round earth.

There was the changing elevation of Polaris and the constellations as you move north and south.

There was also the round shadow on the moon during a lunar eclipse.

But most of all, there were philosophers who were willing to spend more than just a few minutes to think a problem through.

Here is a pretty good history of the development of RET.
http://www.arvindguptatoys.com/arvindgupta/earthpix.pdf
Don't you really understand what you are doing ?
I am aware of the origans of the supposed globe.
What i did was to abbandon the 'wiki copy paiste logic' that varifies whatever you like.
History is extremely delicate.

The only thing i tried to do is show you how absurd it is to acknowledge that in modern times the earth looks flat because it is sooooo big and in backwards times they didn't bother how it looked because they knew it was curved because they understood the implication of sinking masts and other info !

Far more logical is :
The globeearth hypothetical believes were the fabrication of some ancient intellectuals that had nothing to do (like the biblical Paul says) then to think of something new, for the sake of thinking about something new.
The notion that the Greeks ( what an exotic exaggeration) understood the earth to be a globe is false.
The notion that some intellectuals who had enough time and money to fantasise about new ideas concerning men, the gods and the heavens is way more probable.

The heliocentric model needs strong and solid roots to convince modern men of those things he can't observe himself. It sounds convincing that we know the earth to be a sphere for 2400 years. "Even the Greeks knew that....."

I am afraid that creative thinking and an open mind is something the average glober isn't capable of.
Copying the works of others is the end of all discussions.

A shame really !
But you can observe it.  The ship over the horizon is one way.  Sunrise and set is another.  The fact that the sun can shine upwards under clouds is another.  These are observable and not possible on a flat earth.

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #621 on: August 22, 2017, 12:17:09 PM »
But you can observe it.  The ship over the horizon is one way.  Sunrise and set is another.  The fact that the sun can shine upwards under clouds is another.  These are observable and not possible on a flat earth.
That is not what this is about. You could be very right !! But that is another discussion.
My point us that most globers and the clear front runner Rabinoz rely on secondary info.
Great !! But the moment i ask for even the most simple open discussion a sort of brain freeze occurs.
I am able to do a google search myself and every globular explanation is one page 1-3 of a google query.
But somehow the only thing i receive is some data i can look up myself after 10 minutes.
I want an openminded discussion not a link exchange.

I pointed out to Rabinoz that "the Greeks knew the earth was a globe" is simply an invalid claim on all accounts.
He and  some others frequently use secondary info to show me why i am wrong and
why they  are right.
The same happened in the other topic..... nobody seems to be able to speak from his own mind and heart. As if the authenticity and autonomous human ability to have an unique thought no longer exist.
It seems most can only repeat the work of others or in case of most flatearthers a link to other's video's.

As if it is a crime to say something stupid. I rather claim something really stupid than being the moutpiece of authorities that did all the work and thinking.
I have experienced myself to what extend this is happening...... i am really surprised that people are extremely scared to have an unique opinion of their own.

With all of that in mind i simply wanted to state that if we are told that the earth looks flat because it is sooooooo big that we do not detect any curvature on first sight, that the ancient Greeks did not collectively knew the earth to be a globe...... that notion is absolutely insane. A few elite Greeks may have thought that the earth was a globe, but surely your average fishermen did not .

Therefor the generalisations about the Greeks are a sign on the wall. It seems such claims are only made because it is convinient.

When people are using that sort of generalisations ( the Greeks knew the earth was a sphere) you can be certain someone is wrong...

The Jews killed Jesus Christ
The Romans invented the fictional character of JC
Muslims want a worldwide sharia
The Russians would have said something if America faked the moonlandings

These are more extreme examples of course, but it doesn't take much to understand why such generalisations about whole nations are dubious.
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GRIZZ420

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #622 on: August 22, 2017, 12:41:37 PM »
But you can observe it.  The ship over the horizon is one way.  Sunrise and set is another.  The fact that the sun can shine upwards under clouds is another.  These are observable and not possible on a flat earth.
That is not what this is about. You could be very right !! But that is another discussion.
My point us that most globers and the clear front runner Rabinoz rely on secondary info.
Great !! But the moment i ask for even the most simple open discussion a sort of brain freeze occurs.
I am able to do a google search myself and every globular explanation is one page 1-3 of a google query.
But somehow the only thing i receive is some data i can look up myself after 10 minutes.
I want an openminded discussion not a link exchange.

I pointed out to Rabinoz that "the Greeks knew the earth was a globe" is simply an invalid claim on all accounts.
He and  some others frequently use secondary info to show me why i am wrong and
why they  are right.
The same happened in the other topic..... nobody seems to be able to speak from his own mind and heart. As if the authenticity and autonomous human ability to have an unique thought no longer exist.
It seems most can only repeat the work of others or in case of most flatearthers a link to other's video's.

As if it is a crime to say something stupid. I rather claim something really stupid than being the moutpiece of authorities that did all the work and thinking.
I have experienced myself to what extend this is happening...... i am really surprised that people are extremely scared to have an unique opinion of their own.

With all of that in mind i simply wanted to state that if we are told that the earth looks flat because it is sooooooo big that we do not detect any curvature on first sight, that the ancient Greeks did not collectively knew the earth to be a globe...... that notion is absolutely insane. A few elite Greeks may have thought that the earth was a globe, but surely your average fishermen did not .

Therefor the generalisations about the Greeks are a sign on the wall. It seems such claims are only made because it is convinient.

When people are using that sort of generalisations ( the Greeks knew the earth was a sphere) you can be certain someone is wrong...

The Jews killed Jesus Christ
The Romans invented the fictional character of JC
Muslims want a worldwide sharia
The Russians would have said something if America faked the moonlandings

These are more extreme examples of course, but it doesn't take much to understand why such generalisations about whole nations are dubious.

Simply not true at all. Most common people of ancient Greece thought the earth was a sphere. They depicted the Titan Atlas holding a sphere. They had many depictions on walls on temples on vases and even sculptures. To say only a few elites new it is just wrong.

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #623 on: August 22, 2017, 12:50:13 PM »
With all of that in mind i simply wanted to state that if we are told that the earth looks flat because it is sooooooo big that we do not detect any curvature on first sight, that the ancient Greeks did not collectively knew the earth to be a globe...... that notion is absolutely insane. A few elite Greeks may have thought that the earth was a globe, but surely your average fishermen did not .
*sigh*

These days we don't need to take the word of a few elite Greek philosophers that the earth is round because there are several industries that are totally dependent on the fact the earth is round.

International shipping.

International tourism.

International transpiration.

Pretty much the entire aerospace industry.

Commercial Satellite TV and radio.

Commercial Satellite imagery.

Not to mention just about every branch of the Earth sciences.

When your life, let alone livelihood, depends on knowing the correct shape of the earth, someone would have said something by now if the current RE model was that far wrong.

Imagine all of the tourists who planned years ahead of time that would have been highly pissed off if they found that the NASA prediction for the path of totality was off by even a few miles.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #624 on: August 22, 2017, 01:05:01 PM »
With all of that in mind i simply wanted to state that if we are told that the earth looks flat because it is sooooooo big that we do not detect any curvature on first sight, that the ancient Greeks did not collectively knew the earth to be a globe...... that notion is absolutely insane. A few elite Greeks may have thought that the earth was a globe, but surely your average fishermen did not

The ancient Greeks valued education highly. In all likelihood the majority knew it.

Also GRIZZ, Atlas isn't holding the Earth, he is holding the sky.
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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #625 on: August 22, 2017, 01:22:09 PM »
Dutchy, what do you expect from brainwashed drones, something more than google links?

They do not think for themselves, regurgitate google answers, appeals to popular thought. If something doesn't line up to preconceived ideas, it is wrong and you are stupid and or crazy. This has been going on for years on this website. I love it when a new member pops up just in time to ridicule FE when the longtime members are having trouble with a particular member or subject.
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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #626 on: August 22, 2017, 01:43:04 PM »
Dutchy, what do you expect from brainwashed drones, something more than google links?

They do not think for themselves, regurgitate google answers, appeals to popular thought. If something doesn't line up to preconceived ideas, it is wrong and you are stupid and or crazy. This has been going on for years on this website. I love it when a new member pops up just in time to ridicule FE when the longtime members are having trouble with a particular member or subject.
A lot of those google links have real testable science in them.  Some you can even do in your own home.  Maybe you should read 'em and then test 'em.  If you're right then you would have debunked half the arguments right in your own home.

My point is nearly everything I and others have posted it real testable science that you can verify for yourself.

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #627 on: August 22, 2017, 02:47:52 PM »
Dutchy, what do you expect from brainwashed drones, something more than google links?

They do not think for themselves, regurgitate google answers, appeals to popular thought. If something doesn't line up to preconceived ideas, it is wrong and you are stupid and or crazy. This has been going on for years on this website. I love it when a new member pops up just in time to ridicule FE when the longtime members are having trouble with a particular member or subject.
Yes it is bizare, but i am afraid i have truly underestimated the amount of brainwashing present among the 'globe' posters over here.
It's like i am talking to internet bots instead of real human beings.like the 'borg' has taken over earth.
The first time i read about flatearth was 7 years ago and i thought, that can't be....... nobody is that stupid.
But there were a few points that i couldn't answer. Things about the solar system hurling through space in a vortex path and the atmosphere not leaking into the largest vacuum ever.
I did not feel any aversion, but curiousity only.
It took me sometime to adapt to the idea of a flatearth, but it made more sense as the months/ years passed by.
The aggressive methods used by the globe gang are frightening and telling.
They are not able to discuss this with an open mind, as i have realised now.
They only know one way and that is their way....... the globe.
Proof for that is that even the tiniest part is non- negotiable about everything.
The globe community is indeed a brainwashed flog and any discussion about the flatearth is futile in every thinkable way.
It is their 'copy paiste internet' way, or no way !

The independent mind seems to be in the minority these days and that's a huge understatement.

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #628 on: August 22, 2017, 03:04:12 PM »
Funny to see such weak FE activity across the board in response to the eclipse that categorically proved round earth. Hilarious seeing the scrabbling around cobbling together half baked notions held together with chewing gum and spit.

The earth is round and that's that.

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Re: Eclipse 21.08.17 will debunk the Globe
« Reply #629 on: August 22, 2017, 03:22:00 PM »
The reason the shadow travels west to east is the shadow is moving at 2237 miles per hour. Much faster than the earth is rotating. Again your logic is totally misguided and science means nothing. Please remember that the next time you take any scientific medication.