Phosphorescent Moon!

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Phosphorescent Moon!
« on: March 18, 2017, 10:39:20 AM »
I start the post with general public information about the Moon phases and position, in regards to the sun and earth, then down to my point:

http://earthsky.org/moon-phases/full-moon
A full Moon - the moon and sun are on a line, with Earth in between. It’s as though Earth is the fulcrum of a seesaw, and the moon and sun are sitting on either end of the seesaw. So as the sun sets in the west, the full moon rises. When the sun is below our feet at midnight, the full moon is highest in the sky. When the sun rises again at dawn, the full moon is setting.

In many ways, a full moon is the opposite of a new moon. At both the new and full phases, the moon is on a line with the Earth and sun. At new moon, the moon is in the middle position along the line. At full moon, Earth is in the middle.

http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/physics/46-our-solar-system/the-moon/observing-the-moon/131-is-it-possible-to-see-the-full-moon-and-the-sun-simultaneously-in-high-northern-latitudes-when-the-sun-doesn-t-set-intermediate
You will almost never see the full moon and the Sun at the same time. The reason for this is that all the planets, Moon and the Sun lie in a plane in the sky called the ecliptic and this plane is tilted to the Earth's equator by about 23.5 degrees. On full moon day, the Moon and the Sun are roughly (not exactly) on opposite sides of Earth. Hence, if the Sun is at a declination of 23.5 degrees (which it will be close to summer) in the constellation of Gemini, then the Moon will be at a declination of -23.5 degrees in the constellation of Sagittarius.

However, the Moon's orbit is inclined to the ecliptic by about 5 degrees which is the reason why we do not see a solar eclipse during every new moon. Hence at latitudes close to 66.5 degrees, one might be able to see the Sun and the full moon for a very short time simultaneously if the geometry of the Moon is just right. However, the Sun and the full moon will be on opposite portions of the sky and so nobody will be able to photograph it unless there is an exceptional camera that can take a picture of the entire sky.

In Oslo, you will find a normal moonrise during full moon. The Sun will be up for a very long time and the full moon will rise shortly after sunset. Soon after moonrise, the Moon will set again and then the Sun will again rise. For the very same reason that you have the Sun for almost 24 hours, you will have the full moon in the sky for a very short time only.
If earth is between the moon and the sun at full moon; that indicates that the moon shines in the absence of sun light and not as a direct reflection of the sun rays! The side of the moon affected the by the sun will be dark, and the far away side will shine (moon phases).

My Point and argument:

This physical property can be found in Phosphorus:-
Natural Phosphori are such as at certain time appear luminous, without the aid of any art or preparation. Such are the fire fly, lantern fly, the glow worms, etc…

Natural Phosphori NEVER emits heat, nor do they shine always (sounds like we’re talking about the Moon here)!

Phosphoresce is the term, to shine, or even sometimes to burn spontaneously, without the application of sensible fire. Bodies possessed of this property are said to be Phosphorescent; and the light thus spontaneously emitted is called their phosphorescence.

Phosphorescent substances shine in the DARK, like the Moon does!

While I was searching into the subject, I found out that Samuel Birley Rowbotham delivered a series of lectures beginning on January 15, 1849, in which he stated, among other issues, that not only the moon is wholly phosphoric  but the stars as well!

Phosphorus exists in two major forms—White Phosphorus and Red Phosphorus—but because it is highly reactive, Phosphorus is never found as a free element on Earth.

Maybe on the Moon it does!

And maybe that’s why the Sun & the Moon are never face to face!

“It wasn’t for the sun to reach/ face the moon, nor the night overtakes the day and all in their orbits float”. (Qur’an 36:40)
« Last Edit: March 19, 2017, 12:26:49 AM by Hannibaal »
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Re: Phosphorescent Moon!
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2017, 10:51:45 AM »
Wait. I thought the moon was supposed to be a reflection of the sun. What happened to that idea?
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Re: Phosphorescent Moon!
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2017, 10:58:23 AM »
A full Moon - the moon and sun are on a line, with Earth in between. It’s as though Earth is the fulcrum of a seesaw, and the moon and sun are sitting on either end of the seesaw. So as the sun sets in the west, the full moon rises. When the sun is below our feet at midnight, the full moon is highest in the sky. When the sun rises again at dawn, the full moon is setting.

In many ways, a full moon is the opposite of a new moon. At both the new and full phases, the moon is on a line with the Earth and sun. At new moon, the moon is in the middle position along the line. At full moon, Earth is in the middle.

You will almost never see the full moon and the Sun at the same time. The reason for this is that all the planets, Moon and the Sun lie in a plane in the sky called the ecliptic and this plane is tilted to the Earth's equator by about 23.5 degrees. On full moon day, the Moon and the Sun are roughly (not exactly) on opposite sides of Earth. Hence, if the Sun is at a declination of 23.5 degrees (which it will be close to summer) in the constellation of Gemini, then the Moon will be at a declination of -23.5 degrees in the constellation of Sagittarius.

However, the Moon's orbit is inclined to the ecliptic by about 5 degrees which is the reason why we do not see a solar eclipse during every new moon. Hence at latitudes close to 66.5 degrees, one might be able to see the Sun and the full moon for a very short time simultaneously if the geometry of the Moon is just right. However, the Sun and the full moon will be on opposite portions of the sky and so nobody will be able to photograph it unless there is an exceptional camera that can take a picture of the entire sky.

In Oslo, you will find a normal moonrise during full moon. The Sun will be up for a very long time and the full moon will rise shortly after sunset. Soon after moonrise, the Moon will set again and then the Sun will again rise. For the very same reason that you have the Sun for almost 24 hours, you will have the full moon in the sky for a very short time only.

You were doing really well up to this point, then...

If earth is between the moon and the sun at full moon; that indicates that the moon shines in the absence of sun light and not as a direct reflection of the sun rays! The side of the moon affected the by the sun will be dark, and the far away side will shine (moon phases).

Never mind. By the way, thank you for using exclamation marks to indicate when you're talking nonsense again. Very helpful!

Anyway, have you considered that it may be this...

...the Moon's orbit is inclined to the ecliptic by about 5 degrees which is the reason why we do not see a solar eclipse during every new moon.

...that may also be the reason why the moon can be lit when on the other side of the earth from the sun?

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Re: Phosphorescent Moon!
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2017, 11:00:22 AM »
Wait. I thought the moon was supposed to be a reflection of the sun. What happened to that idea?

It was just an idea!
Ideas float and change, like everything else; until the right one hits bull's eye!
And, idea upon idea will take us to the truth!

I'm giving my opinion on who I see things - I could be wrong and maybe right!
Prove me wrong, and I shall jump to another idea!

You see, I promised my little daughter to find for her the truth about Moon Landings; because she said, if we didn't land on the moon, then how could she go to Mars some day!
She's only 11 and dreaming of reaching Mars - what a generation!
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Re: Phosphorescent Moon!
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2017, 11:22:07 AM »
Do you think you should maybe include some references?

http://earthsky.org/moon-phases/full-moon

http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/physics/46-our-solar-system/the-moon/observing-the-moon/131-is-it-possible-to-see-the-full-moon-and-the-sun-simultaneously-in-high-northern-latitudes-when-the-sun-doesn-t-set-intermediate

I did mention though, I was doing a research!

If you , or the board, see that we should include the references of any research, then I apologize for not doing so, and shall include them in any future post!
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Re: Phosphorescent Moon!
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2017, 12:45:01 PM »
If you must write prose & poems
The words you use should be your own
Don't plagiarise or take on loan
'Cause there's always someone, somewhere
With a big nose, who knows ;)
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Re: Phosphorescent Moon!
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2017, 01:28:07 PM »

You were doing really well up to this point, then...

That's because he copied pasted the entire lot from somewhere else.   However it does seem as if Hannibaal is a round earther now.
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Re: Phosphorescent Moon!
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2017, 03:25:06 PM »
The first paragraphs are general information about the moon's phases, ecliptic and its inclined angle or degree!
You can get such general information from any scientific site on the net, and it is not someone's personal opinion!

I started my post with general information from the books, so no one can argue about its authenticity, then I got down to my point - the moon glows in the dark and does not reflect the sun's direct rays onto us!

Not receiving any comments on that particular point in discussion, makes me wonder if I really has hit bull's eye, this time!
Especially no replies from Nasa defenders on the site!

Because, I believe this explains with no doubt the self-luminosity of the Moon, which many has argued about!
And, this concept could change our look at a lot of things around us, even my own belief and look at things!
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Re: Phosphorescent Moon!
« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2017, 04:54:47 PM »
There is no doubt that the moons light comes from a bioluminescent source - this is evidenced by the nature of its rays. Phosphorescence is a good first guess, and one that many flat earth researchers have gone down. It is unfortunate that their work was later labelled 'moon shramp.'
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Re: Phosphorescent Moon!
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2017, 05:09:05 PM »
There is no doubt that the moons light comes from a bioluminescent source - this is evidenced by the nature of its rays. Phosphorescence is a good first guess, and one that many flat earth researchers have gone down. It is unfortunate that their work was later labelled 'moon shramp.'

I quite like the "moon shramp" theory,   it's right up there in my favourites,  perhaps only second to the "shadow object",   and of course the "nazi lunch box penguin"  theory deserves an honourable mention as always.


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Re: Phosphorescent Moon!
« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2017, 05:46:30 PM »

Shut up Meg.

There is no doubt that the moons light comes from a bioluminescent source - this is evidenced by the nature of its rays. Phosphorescence is a good first guess, and one that many flat earth researchers have gone down. It is unfortunate that their work was later labelled 'moon shramp.'

Thanks John.

It's important to be able to laugh at serious things sometimes imo.

I have to remind myself.

This is a cool thread Hanibaal.
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Re: Phosphorescent Moon!
« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2017, 08:45:17 PM »
You will almost never see the full moon and the Sun at the same time. The reason for this is that all the planets, Moon and the Sun lie in a plane in the sky called the ecliptic and this plane is tilted to the Earth's equator by about 23.5 degrees. On full moon day, the Moon and the Sun are roughly (not exactly) on opposite sides of Earth. Hence, if the Sun is at a declination of 23.5 degrees (which it will be close to summer) in the constellation of Gemini, then the Moon will be at a declination of -23.5 degrees in the constellation of Sagittarius.
Actually, it's not uncommon to see the sun and full moon during late spring or early summer.

Granted, you can't actually see the sun in this picture, but it sure looks like it's still daylight out.
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Re: Phosphorescent Moon!
« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2017, 09:10:57 PM »
There is no doubt that the moons light comes from a bioluminescent source - this is evidenced by the nature of its rays. Phosphorescence is a good first guess, and one that many flat earth researchers have gone down. It is unfortunate that their work was later labelled 'moon shramp.'
Let's not  ;) confuse the issue with little details like the spectra of sunlight and moonlight  ;).

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Re: Phosphorescent Moon!
« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2017, 12:24:45 AM »
I start the post with general public information about the Moon phases and position, in regards to the sun and earth, then down to my point:

http://earthsky.org/moon-phases/full-moon
A full Moon - the moon and sun are on a line, with Earth in between. It’s as though Earth is the fulcrum of a seesaw, and the moon and sun are sitting on either end of the seesaw. So as the sun sets in the west, the full moon rises. When the sun is below our feet at midnight, the full moon is highest in the sky. When the sun rises again at dawn, the full moon is setting.

In many ways, a full moon is the opposite of a new moon. At both the new and full phases, the moon is on a line with the Earth and sun. At new moon, the moon is in the middle position along the line. At full moon, Earth is in the middle.

http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/physics/46-our-solar-system/the-moon/observing-the-moon/131-is-it-possible-to-see-the-full-moon-and-the-sun-simultaneously-in-high-northern-latitudes-when-the-sun-doesn-t-set-intermediate
You will almost never see the full moon and the Sun at the same time. The reason for this is that all the planets, Moon and the Sun lie in a plane in the sky called the ecliptic and this plane is tilted to the Earth's equator by about 23.5 degrees. On full moon day, the Moon and the Sun are roughly (not exactly) on opposite sides of Earth. Hence, if the Sun is at a declination of 23.5 degrees (which it will be close to summer) in the constellation of Gemini, then the Moon will be at a declination of -23.5 degrees in the constellation of Sagittarius.

However, the Moon's orbit is inclined to the ecliptic by about 5 degrees which is the reason why we do not see a solar eclipse during every new moon. Hence at latitudes close to 66.5 degrees, one might be able to see the Sun and the full moon for a very short time simultaneously if the geometry of the Moon is just right. However, the Sun and the full moon will be on opposite portions of the sky and so nobody will be able to photograph it unless there is an exceptional camera that can take a picture of the entire sky.

In Oslo, you will find a normal moonrise during full moon. The Sun will be up for a very long time and the full moon will rise shortly after sunset. Soon after moonrise, the Moon will set again and then the Sun will again rise. For the very same reason that you have the Sun for almost 24 hours, you will have the full moon in the sky for a very short time only.
If earth is between the moon and the sun at full moon; that indicates that the moon shines in the absence of sun light and not as a direct reflection of the sun rays! The side of the moon affected the by the sun will be dark, and the far away side will shine (moon phases).

My Point and argument:

This physical property can be found in Phosphorus:-
Natural Phosphori are such as at certain time appear luminous, without the aid of any art or preparation. Such are the fire fly, lantern fly, the glow worms, etc…

Natural Phosphori NEVER emits heat, nor do they shine always (sounds like we’re talking about the Moon here)!

Phosphoresce is the term, to shine, or even sometimes to burn spontaneously, without the application of sensible fire. Bodies possessed of this property are said to be Phosphorescent; and the light thus spontaneously emitted is called their phosphorescence.

Phosphorescent substances shine in the DARK, like the Moon does!

While I was searching into the subject, I found out that Samuel Birley Rowbotham delivered a series of lectures beginning on January 15, 1849, in which he stated, among other issues, that not only the moon is wholly phosphoric  but the stars as well!

Phosphorus exists in two major forms—White Phosphorus and Red Phosphorus—but because it is highly reactive, Phosphorus is never found as a free element on Earth.

Maybe on the Moon it does!

And maybe that’s why the Sun & the Moon are never face to face!

“It wasn’t for the sun to reach/ face the moon, nor the night overtakes the day and all in their orbits float”. (Qur’an 36:40)
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Re: Phosphorescent Moon!
« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2017, 12:40:27 AM »

Shut up Meg.

There is no doubt that the moons light comes from a bioluminescent source - this is evidenced by the nature of its rays. Phosphorescence is a good first guess, and one that many flat earth researchers have gone down. It is unfortunate that their work was later labelled 'moon shramp.'

Thanks John.

It's important to be able to laugh at serious things sometimes imo.

I have to remind myself.

This is a cool thread Hanibaal.

Thank you!
And I could use the help from other members to support this idea, because this is the only one that makes sense to me!
Also, good to see the Elders & Admin here with no rejections, so far!
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Re: Phosphorescent Moon!
« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2017, 12:47:48 AM »
There is no doubt that the moons light comes from a bioluminescent source - this is evidenced by the nature of its rays. Phosphorescence is a good first guess, and one that many flat earth researchers have gone down. It is unfortunate that their work was later labelled 'moon shramp.'
Let's not  ;) confuse the issue with little details like the spectra of sunlight and moonlight  ;).

Does that mean you're in favor of this theory, Rab?
Usually you are the first to come out and debunk!
Not saying anything so far, gives me the impression that you're thinking about it - your opinion is much valuable to me!
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Re: Phosphorescent Moon!
« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2017, 01:04:29 AM »
I think you've just about got him! He's about to turn!  ;D
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Re: Phosphorescent Moon!
« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2017, 01:14:05 AM »
Moonshramp are delicious with a bit of garlic and some shallots.   

I think the FES is long overdue in coming out with a recipe book,   Penguin pie,  sweet and sour moonshramp.   spit roasted dipstickone.   I'm sure it would be a best seller.

My first thought would be to call it "Cooking with Hannibaal"   but then again perhaps that might attract the wrong sort of buyer.   
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Re: Phosphorescent Moon!
« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2017, 02:00:49 AM »
There is no doubt that the moons light comes from a bioluminescent source - this is evidenced by the nature of its rays. Phosphorescence is a good first guess, and one that many flat earth researchers have gone down. It is unfortunate that their work was later labelled 'moon shramp.'
Let's not  ;) confuse the issue with little details like the spectra of sunlight and moonlight  ;).

Does that mean you're in favor of this theory, Rab?
Usually you are the first to come out and debunk!
Not saying anything so far, gives me the impression that you're thinking about it - your opinion is much valuable to me!
Yes, I have thought about that topic a lot. Here is some very solid evidence the moonlight is simply reflected sunlight.

The spectra of sunlight and moonlight are almost identical, as shown here in the graph on the right:


A photograph taken by moonlight
with an exposure time of fifty minutes.
         

As seen here a colour photo taken with only moonlight looks almost exactly the same as a daylight photo.
Since full moonlight is roughly 1/400,000 as intense as bright daylight a very long exposure is needed.

The comparison graph shows that the spectrum of moonlight is a little "redder" than sunlight, simply because the moon is not white, but otherwise the spectra are very similar.
They have the same Fraunhofer lines, providing good evidence that they come from the same source - the sun.

None of this seems anything the colour of light from white phoephorus
Quote from: Wikipedia
When exposed to oxygen, white phosphorus glows in the dark with a very faint tinge of green and blue.

So, I do hope that you're not serious in claiming that the moon is made of phosphorus,
:D :D when we've know for centuries that it's really green cheese;D :D

PS That a better answer. One trouble is that I've had little internet access since yesterday, so couldn't give long answers.

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Re: Phosphorescent Moon!
« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2017, 02:56:58 AM »
I started my post with general information from the books, so no one can argue about its authenticity, then I got down to my point - the moon glows in the dark and does not reflect the sun's direct rays onto us!

Not receiving any comments on that particular point in discussion, makes me wonder if I really has hit bull's eye, this time!

Maybe you missed this:

Anyway, have you considered that it may be this...

...the Moon's orbit is inclined to the ecliptic by about 5 degrees which is the reason why we do not see a solar eclipse during every new moon.

...that may also be the reason why the moon can be lit when on the other side of the earth from the sun?

The full moon is lit by the sun. The earth gets in the way relatively rarely.

[Sorry to everyone for the serious post - you can all go back to moonshramp now.]

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Re: Phosphorescent Moon!
« Reply #21 on: March 19, 2017, 03:31:55 AM »
[Sorry to everyone for the serious post - you can all go back to moonshramp now.]
And now for a really serious question.

In south-eastern Queensland we have an outbreak of white spot disease in the river and ocean crustaceans (crabs and prawns - bigger versions of shrimp).
Now the ever so vital question is: Are moonshramp susceptible to white spot? If so, you must make sure that the moon stays away from SE Queensland!

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Re: Phosphorescent Moon!
« Reply #22 on: March 19, 2017, 03:58:02 AM »
I started my post with general information from the books, so no one can argue about its authenticity, then I got down to my point - the moon glows in the dark and does not reflect the sun's direct rays onto us!

Not receiving any comments on that particular point in discussion, makes me wonder if I really has hit bull's eye, this time!

Maybe you missed this:

Anyway, have you considered that it may be this...

...the Moon's orbit is inclined to the ecliptic by about 5 degrees which is the reason why we do not see a solar eclipse during every new moon.

...that may also be the reason why the moon can be lit when on the other side of the earth from the sun?

The full moon is lit by the sun. The earth gets in the way relatively rarely.

[Sorry to everyone for the serious post - you can all go back to moonshramp now.]
This might help. It's a near scale drawing of the earth and moon at the time of a full moon.
And, before anyone asks, no "full moon" is ever perfectly full. The nearest we get to a full moon is at one particular time.
For example the last was on Sunday, 12th March 2017 at 14:54 UTC.  At other times it would have been imperceptibly "less full".
« Last Edit: September 16, 2019, 10:16:46 PM by rabinoz »

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Re: Phosphorescent Moon!
« Reply #23 on: March 19, 2017, 02:28:09 PM »
The moon is made of Cheddar.
Please check the findings of Wallace, Grommit et al.
How dumb can you be?
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Re: Phosphorescent Moon!
« Reply #24 on: March 19, 2017, 04:19:07 PM »
The moon is made of Cheddar.
Please check the findings of Wallace, Grommit et al.
Come on, are you doubting thus source?
Quote from: Wikipedia
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Re: Phosphorescent Moon!
« Reply #25 on: March 19, 2017, 09:25:24 PM »
The moon is made of Cheddar.
Please check the findings of Wallace, Grommit et al.

Wasn't it Wenslydale?   

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Re: Phosphorescent Moon!
« Reply #26 on: March 19, 2017, 09:30:39 PM »
The moon is made of Cheddar.
Please check the findings of Wallace, Grommit et al.
Come on, are you doubting thus source?
Quote from: Wikipedia
The Moon is made of green cheese
Have you compared the spectra of green and cheddar cheeses?
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Re: Phosphorescent Moon!
« Reply #27 on: March 19, 2017, 10:17:59 PM »
The moon is made of Cheddar.
Please check the findings of Wallace, Grommit et al.
Come on, are you doubting thus source?
Quote from: Wikipedia
The Moon is made of green cheese
Have you compared the spectra of green and cheddar cheeses?
Having walked through Cheddar and up and down Cheddar Gorge, I admit that the moon's colour is much closer to cheddar.
But I don't know where all those Fraunhofer lines could come from, maybe creepie-crawlies in the cheese - moonshramp maybe?
You just can't rely on everything you take (out of context) from Wikipedia.

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Re: Phosphorescent Moon!
« Reply #28 on: March 19, 2017, 10:29:32 PM »
Cheese and shramp! I've never tried that combination but it sounds kind of good. I wonder if I'll ever get a chance to go visit this delicious sounding orb.
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Re: Phosphorescent Moon!
« Reply #29 on: March 19, 2017, 11:07:15 PM »
The moon is made of Cheddar.
Please check the findings of Wallace, Grommit et al.
Come on, are you doubting thus source?
Quote from: Wikipedia
The Moon is made of green cheese
Have you compared the spectra of green and cheddar cheeses?
Having walked through Cheddar and up and down Cheddar Gorge, I admit that the moon's colour is much closer to cheddar.
But I don't know where all those Fraunhofer lines could come from, maybe creepie-crawlies in the cheese - moonshramp maybe?
You just can't rely on everything you take (out of context) from Wikipedia.

The lines prove the existence of crackers on the moon!
It was proved by Dr. Lyar that Cheddar and crackers are mutually attracted.
Nevertheless Wallace found that moon crackers are fragmented, not allowing spreading.
How dumb can you be?
I think MH370 was hijacked and the persons who did the hijacking were indeed out to prove a flat earth.