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What is the truth about the 911 attack on the World Trade Center?

Hijacked Planes were flown into the two towers.  Resulting fires caused the collapse.
14 (60.9%)
The planes were CGI and it was controlled demolition
2 (8.7%)
Something other than planes were flown into the twin towers,  missiles drones etc.
2 (8.7%)
The planes were holographic projections from a special satellite, and it was a directed energy weapon
1 (4.3%)
Something else.
3 (13%)
Denspressure
1 (4.3%)

Total Members Voted: 23

Voting closed: March 06, 2017, 10:56:40 PM

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2460 on: March 18, 2017, 09:01:48 PM »
That's enough of this argument for me for now. Responding to all these incoherent arguments and baseless assertions is tiring. I can't refute that.

I know.

In this building design you must remove the core to simulate what we saw. That is a simple fact. A building is not going to fall in the path of greatest resistance, simple fact.

Also...Lol...A steel beam encased in concrete, if you bend it 20 degrees it is gonna just snap and break??

Sanity.
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Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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« Reply #2461 on: March 18, 2017, 09:47:43 PM »
I also know that 15 percent of a top of a structure cannot pulverize 85 percent of the bottom part. Especially the lower 44....The physics don't work. I also know what I saw on 7, it had every sign of a CD.

Actually you are dead wrong about that,  the physics work just fine.    I linked earlier to a paper by Greening showing that there was more than enough energy and momentum to collapse. I could find it again if you want to argue the physics,   

I can speak from models, from experience, from education, and from common sense...What we saw is in no way possible the way we are supposed to believe. 1 and 2 is a no...7 is a resounding no.[/b]
Argument from authority, without evidence.

Edit..Totes..What do you think a demo is 100 percent symmetrical? Come on... A precent or two lean here or there as it falls is acceptable.

It's dispute that keeps claiming that symmetrical collapse is an indication of demolition.   No one else even thinks it was symmetrical let alone a demolition that made no sense on any level.

Lol...I would love to see where physics says 50-60 thousand tons of the weaker part of a building can vaporize 450 thousand tons of the denser and stronger part of a building with just gravity lol. (I don't know which paper you are talking about, but I have read one and got a chuckle)

As for my authority, we have already got on this before, you know I prove what I say about myself. I don't think you want to get on that again

As for saying literally no one else thinks it was a demo....Lol, you forgot to stomp your foot. (no need to address something so obviously incorrect)
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2462 on: March 18, 2017, 10:38:42 PM »
Lol...I would love to see where physics says 50-60 thousand tons of the weaker part of a building can vaporize 450 thousand tons of the denser and stronger part of a building with just gravity lol.

Self pulverisation.
This should leave no people in doubt as to what didn't happen that day, but, as we know; it doesn't seem to compute with some people for varying reasons.
Watch this video right through.


LoL.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2463 on: March 18, 2017, 11:53:53 PM »
A fully loaded 767-232er weighs 395,000 lbs.  They had burned off some fuel and was most likely not at mtow but still over 300,000 lbs on impact.  The slowest plane was traveling about 470 mph.  That's a tremendous amount of force.  Not to mention that 300,000 pounds was instantly put upon the structure of the building. 

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2464 on: March 18, 2017, 11:56:07 PM »
A fully loaded 767-232er weighs 395,000 lbs.  They had burned off some fuel and was most likely not at mtow but still over 300,000 lbs on impact.  The slowest plane was traveling about 470 mph.  That's a tremendous amount of force.  Not to mention that 300,000 pounds was instantly put upon the structure of the building.

How does that have anything to do with my argument about wtc 7?

It still doesn't debunk the pulverization of concrete under gravity on wtc 1 and 2, doesn't touch it.

Try again.

" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Mid-air pulverization of 90,000 tons of concrete, and large volumes of expanding pyroclastic-like dust clouds,
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Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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« Reply #2465 on: March 18, 2017, 11:58:51 PM »
A fully loaded 767-232er weighs 395,000 lbs.  They had burned off some fuel and was most likely not at mtow but still over 300,000 lbs on impact.  The slowest plane was traveling about 470 mph.  That's a tremendous amount of force.  Not to mention that 300,000 pounds was instantly put upon the structure of the building.

How does that have anything to do with my argument about wtc 7?

It still doesn't debunk the pulverization of concrete under gravity on wtc 1 and 2, doesn't touch it.

Try again.

Mid-air pulverization of 90,000 tons of concrete, and large volumes of expanding pyroclastic-like dust clouds,

Lol you base your wtc7 belief on one video.  Try what again? Pointing out the obvious? 

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2466 on: March 19, 2017, 12:01:34 AM »
I also know that 15 percent of a top of a structure cannot pulverize 85 percent of the bottom part. Especially the lower 44....The physics don't work. I also know what I saw on 7, it had every sign of a CD.

Actually you are dead wrong about that,  the physics work just fine.    I linked earlier to a paper by Greening showing that there was more than enough energy and momentum to collapse. I could find it again if you want to argue the physics,   

I can speak from models, from experience, from education, and from common sense...What we saw is in no way possible the way we are supposed to believe. 1 and 2 is a no...7 is a resounding no.[/b]
Argument from authority, without evidence.

Edit..Totes..What do you think a demo is 100 percent symmetrical? Come on... A precent or two lean here or there as it falls is acceptable.

It's dispute that keeps claiming that symmetrical collapse is an indication of demolition.   No one else even thinks it was symmetrical let alone a demolition that made no sense on any level.

Lol...I would love to see where physics says 50-60 thousand tons of the weaker part of a building can vaporize 450 thousand tons of the denser and stronger part of a building with just gravity lol. (I don't know which paper you are talking about, but I have read one and got a chuckle)

As for my authority, we have already got on this before, you know I prove what I say about myself. I don't think you want to get on that again

As for saying literally no one else thinks it was a demo....Lol, you forgot to stomp your foot. (no need to address something so obviously incorrect)

The energy and momentum calculations show a clear picture of the collapse mechanism.   Naive application of Newton's third law like that other video shows,  is just bad physics.

https://ia800709.us.archive.org/11/items/WTC-REPORT-GREENING/WTC-REPORT-GREENING.pdf

It's worth noting that even the energy to collapse two floors at a time,  would have hardly slowed the collapse much.

As far as pulverizing concrete.   That's what happens when it get's impacted with that sort of energy.   disputeone can take his brand new ball pein hammer and belt away at some concrete to confirm that it does in fact turn into powder. 

I backed off questioning your qualifications because I proved what I wanted to,  don't open that door again.  It's not relevant to the debate.

You avoided answering the question about the core columns still standing long after the collapse of WTC1,   is there some reason you didn't answer?

Here's a reminder

This video was slowed down anyways, I don't trust it to begin with. Second, no way that is the core, an absolute impossibility.

This would be with controlled demo or the NIST fairy tale.

The way 1,2 and 7 was designed you MUST comprise the core, that is 100 percent mandatory if you don't want it to get ugly. This is with the pancake magic, or with reality.

1. You claimed that the video was slowed down before,  and then didn't offer any evidence to prove your claim.  Now's your chance,  prove it. 
2.  If you don't think that's part of the core left standing,  what do you think it is?   
3.  So, you are saying if that actually is part of the core then there's no way it could be controlled demolition?    Please be clear with your answer.





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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2467 on: March 19, 2017, 12:02:50 AM »
It still doesn't debunk the pulverization of concrete under gravity on wtc 1 and 2, doesn't touch it.

Try again.

" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Mid-air pulverization of 90,000 tons of concrete, and large volumes of expanding pyroclastic-like dust clouds,

Your best argument so far has been "lol" like Rayzor, are you going to put on a decent effort like Totes or just keep saying "lol"?

Why are you here?

To address what we saw an intact core precludes the possibility of the collapse we saw, even NIST admits it, look into it.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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« Reply #2468 on: March 19, 2017, 12:06:29 AM »
As far as pulverizing concrete.   That's what happens when it get's impacted with that sort of energy.   disputeone can take his brand new ball pein hammer and belt away at some concrete to confirm that it does in fact turn into powder. 

That is is no way an apt comparison to the towers, a better comparison would be swinging my hammer at concrete say 10 times the mass of the ball pein, it does not pulverize.

Brainlet.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2469 on: March 19, 2017, 12:07:16 AM »
It still doesn't debunk the pulverization of concrete under gravity on wtc 1 and 2, doesn't touch it.

Try again.

" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Mid-air pulverization of 90,000 tons of concrete, and large volumes of expanding pyroclastic-like dust clouds,

Your best argument so far has been "lol" like Rayzor, are you going to put on a decent effort like Totes or just keep saying "lol"?

Why are you here?

To address what we saw an intact core precludes the possibility of the collapse we saw, even NIST admits it, look into it.

You're arguing with yourself now?

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2470 on: March 19, 2017, 12:08:09 AM »
Lol...I would love to see where physics says 50-60 thousand tons of the weaker part of a building can vaporize 450 thousand tons of the denser and stronger part of a building with just gravity lol.

Self pulverisation.
This should leave no people in doubt as to what didn't happen that day, but, as we know; it doesn't seem to compute with some people for varying reasons.
Watch this video right through.


LoL.

Keep trying to debunk Newton.

Frankly it's hilarious.

@Bhs reminds me of the original Newton's Third thread. ;D

You're arguing with yourself now?

You are going to keep saying "lol".

Noted.
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Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2471 on: March 19, 2017, 12:10:48 AM »
Lol...I would love to see where physics says 50-60 thousand tons of the weaker part of a building can vaporize 450 thousand tons of the denser and stronger part of a building with just gravity lol.

Self pulverisation.
This should leave no people in doubt as to what didn't happen that day, but, as we know; it doesn't seem to compute with some people for varying reasons.
Watch this video right through.


LoL.

Keep trying to debunk Newton.

Frankly it's hilarious.

@Bhs reminds me of the original Newton's Third thread. ;D

Read the paper I linked to,  just dumbly invoking Newton's third law,  is a flawed way of understanding the physics.

As far as pulverizing concrete.   That's what happens when it get's impacted with that sort of energy. 
disputeone can take his brand new ball pein hammer and belt away at some concrete to confirm that it does in fact turn into powder. 

Report your findings after you do the experiment.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2472 on: March 19, 2017, 12:12:10 AM »
Lol...I would love to see where physics says 50-60 thousand tons of the weaker part of a building can vaporize 450 thousand tons of the denser and stronger part of a building with just gravity lol.

Self pulverisation.
This should leave no people in doubt as to what didn't happen that day, but, as we know; it doesn't seem to compute with some people for varying reasons.
Watch this video right through.


LoL.

Keep trying to debunk Newton.

Frankly it's hilarious.

@Bhs reminds me of the original Newton's Third thread. ;D

You're arguing with yourself now?

You are going to keep saying "lol".

Noted.
So long as it bothers you lol.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2473 on: March 19, 2017, 12:12:39 AM »
I'll swing my hammer at a 500mm by 500mm concrete support.

Makes a little dent.

Next.

The energies involved were not enough to pulverize that mass of concrete, sorry.

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Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2474 on: March 19, 2017, 12:25:06 AM »
Clarification the only time the hammer can pulverize the concrete is when the energy of the hammer far exceeds the mass of the concrete, the best I get is about a 20mm2 piece, any larger and it has a tendency to crack without being pulverized.

The only way what we saw would be possible is if the falling mass greatly exceeded the static mass, even then a large portion of the top falling section would be intact at the end of the collapse.

Physics.

Undebunkable.

The towers being completed pulverized is irrefutable proof for controlled demolition.
« Last Edit: March 19, 2017, 12:26:42 AM by disputeone »
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2475 on: March 19, 2017, 12:32:52 AM »
Wouldn't the pyrotechnics used to bring the buildings down burn in the fire?  Wouldn't there be miles of wires running out of the building be a tip off to a CD?

Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2476 on: March 19, 2017, 12:35:09 AM »
Clarification the only time the hammer can pulverize the concrete is when the energy of the hammer far exceeds the mass of the concrete, the best I get is about a 20mm2 piece, any larger and it has a tendency to crack without being pulverized.

The only way what we saw would be possible is if the falling mass greatly exceeded the static mass, even then a large portion of the top falling section would be intact at the end of the collapse.

Physics.

Undebunkable.

The towers being completed pulverized is irrefutable proof for controlled demolition.
Have you ever seen a CD? There are not explosives covering every inch blowing it to dust.  The fall alone does most of the destruction. 

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2477 on: March 19, 2017, 12:39:28 AM »
Wouldn't the pyrotechnics used to bring the buildings down burn in the fire?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_shield

Wouldn't there be miles of wires running out of the building be a tip off to a CD?

Not if the people who owned the wtc complex had a hand in the false flag.

Here's a great peer reviewed scientific article showing the the temperatures caused in the towers were not caused by ordinary jet fuel and office fires.

http://www.easypaintyourcar.com/WTCHighTemp.html

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“Various metals (most notably iron and lead) were melted during the WTC Event, producing spherical metallic particles. Exposure of phases to high heat results in the formation of spherical particles due to surface tension…”
“In addition to the vesicular carbon components, the high heat exposure of the WTC Dust has also created other morphologically specific varieties of particulate matter including spherical metallic, vesicular siliceous and spherical fly ash components. These types of particles are classic examples of high temperature or combustion by-products and are generally absent in typical office dust…”
“Particles of materials that had been modified by exposure to high temperature, such as spherical particles of iron and silicates, are common in WTC Dust because of the fire that accompanied the WTC Event, but are not common in “normal” interior office dust…”
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Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2478 on: March 19, 2017, 12:40:05 AM »
Have you ever seen a CD? There are not explosives covering every inch blowing it to dust.  The fall alone does most of the destruction.

>close to free-fall.

>mid air pulverization.

Pick one, can't have both.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2479 on: March 19, 2017, 12:54:40 AM »
Just to recap, we have eyewitness testimony of explosions.



And a peer reviewed paper showing temperatures hot enough to melt steel and types of particles that are classic examples of high temperature or combustion by-products and are generally absent in typical office dust

http://www.easypaintyourcar.com/WTCHighTemp.html

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“Various metals (most notably iron and lead) were melted during the WTC Event, producing spherical metallic particles. Exposure of phases to high heat results in the formation of spherical particles due to surface tension…”
“In addition to the vesicular carbon components, the high heat exposure of the WTC Dust has also created other morphologically specific varieties of particulate matter including spherical metallic, vesicular siliceous and spherical fly ash components. These types of particles are classic examples of high temperature or combustion by-products and are generally absent in typical office dust…”
“Particles of materials that had been modified by exposure to high temperature, such as spherical particles of iron and silicates, are common in WTC Dust because of the fire that accompanied the WTC Event, but are not common in “normal” interior office dust…”

What more do you want.

Three controlled demolitions.

9/11 was a false flag.

Santa isn't real.

Sorry.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2480 on: March 19, 2017, 01:01:54 AM »

And a peer reviewed paper showing temperatures hot enough to melt steel and types of particles that are classic examples of high temperature or combustion by-products and are generally absent in typical office dust

http://www.easypaintyourcar.com/WTCHighTemp.html


Your assertion 1.   Temperatures were NOT high enough to WEAKEN steel,  so it must have been controlled demolition.
Your assertion 2.   Temperatures were high enough to MELT steel,  so it must have been controlled demolition. 

You can't have both.  You have to choose one or the other.   



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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2481 on: March 19, 2017, 01:03:51 AM »
Have you ever seen a CD? There are not explosives covering every inch blowing it to dust.  The fall alone does most of the destruction.

>close to free-fall.

>mid air pulverization.

Pick one, can't have both.

Actually you can have both.   In fact one leads directly to the other,   you aren't very good at logic are you?
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2482 on: March 19, 2017, 01:11:18 AM »
Have you ever seen a CD? There are not explosives covering every inch blowing it to dust.  The fall alone does most of the destruction.

>close to free-fall.

>mid air pulverization.

Pick one, can't have both.

Actually you can have both.   In fact one leads directly to the other,   you aren't very good at logic are you?

Show me how.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2483 on: March 19, 2017, 01:14:59 AM »

And a peer reviewed paper showing temperatures hot enough to melt steel and types of particles that are classic examples of high temperature or combustion by-products and are generally absent in typical office dust

http://www.easypaintyourcar.com/WTCHighTemp.html


Your assertion 1.   Temperatures were NOT high enough to WEAKEN steel,  so it must have been controlled demolition.

No, don't lie. NIST claims temperatures hot enough to weaken steel, I never said the fires wouldn't weaken steel, see what happened to wtc 5 and 6.

Stop lying.

Your assertion 2.   Temperatures were high enough to MELT steel,  so it must have been controlled demolition. 

You can't have both.  You have to choose one or the other.

I don't want both. Temperatures were objectively hot enough to melt steel, we have shown quite enough evidence for that claim.

NIST's report is either inaccurate or dishonest. The only way to explain the temperatures observed is a controlled demolition.

/thread.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2484 on: March 19, 2017, 01:15:22 AM »
Have you ever seen a CD? There are not explosives covering every inch blowing it to dust.  The fall alone does most of the destruction.

>close to free-fall.

>mid air pulverization.

Pick one, can't have both.

Actually you can have both.   In fact one leads directly to the other,   you aren't very good at logic are you?

Show me how.

Read the paper I linked to. 
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2485 on: March 19, 2017, 01:18:14 AM »
The only way what we saw would be possible is if the falling mass greatly exceeded the static mass, even then a large portion of the top falling section would be intact at the end of the collapse.

Physics.

Undebunkable.

The towers being completed pulverized is irrefutable proof for controlled demolition.

Your paper is bunk.

« Last Edit: March 19, 2017, 01:22:25 AM by disputeone »
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2486 on: March 19, 2017, 01:23:25 AM »

And a peer reviewed paper showing temperatures hot enough to melt steel and types of particles that are classic examples of high temperature or combustion by-products and are generally absent in typical office dust

http://www.easypaintyourcar.com/WTCHighTemp.html


Your assertion 1.   Temperatures were NOT high enough to WEAKEN steel,  so it must have been controlled demolition.

No, don't lie. NIST claims temperatures hot enough to weaken steel, I never said the fires wouldn't weaken steel, see what happened to wtc 5 and 6.

Stop lying.

Your assertion 2.   Temperatures were high enough to MELT steel,  so it must have been controlled demolition. 

You can't have both.  You have to choose one or the other.

I don't want both. Temperatures were objectively hot enough to melt steel, we have shown quite enough evidence for that claim.

NIST's report is either inaccurate or dishonest. The only way to explain the temperatures observed is a controlled demolition.

/thread.

So assertion 1 is true,  temperatures were in fact high enough to weaken steel. 

The paper you linked to has been widely discredited,  in that there are many sources for the materials found in the debris,  even burning steel wool at low temperatures produces lots or iron spheres, so the premise that it requires high temperatures is false,   none of the other materials found indicate any kind of controlled demolition.   

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2487 on: March 19, 2017, 01:24:38 AM »
The only way what we saw would be possible is if the falling mass greatly exceeded the static mass, even then a large portion of the top falling section would be intact at the end of the collapse.

Physics.

Undebunkable.

The towers being completed pulverized is irrefutable proof for controlled demolition.

Your paper is bunk.


That's on a par with every other argument you've presented,  nice to see you are at least consistent in your stupidity.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2488 on: March 19, 2017, 01:27:47 AM »
nuh-uh.



Facts speak for themselves.



Your assertion 2.   Temperatures were high enough to MELT steel,  so it must have been controlled demolition. 

You can't have both.  You have to choose one or the other.

I don't want both. Temperatures were objectively hot enough to melt steel, we have shown quite enough evidence for that claim.

NIST's report is either inaccurate or dishonest. The only way to explain the temperatures observed is a controlled demolition.

/thread.
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Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2489 on: March 19, 2017, 01:33:34 AM »
Facts speak for themselves.

Very true,  it's a language you should try to master as you progress through life.   Look deeper,  and think more.  Don't just leap to conclusions.

Stop gilding the pickle, you demisexual aromantic homoflexible snowflake.