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What is the truth about the 911 attack on the World Trade Center?

Hijacked Planes were flown into the two towers.  Resulting fires caused the collapse.
14 (60.9%)
The planes were CGI and it was controlled demolition
2 (8.7%)
Something other than planes were flown into the twin towers,  missiles drones etc.
2 (8.7%)
The planes were holographic projections from a special satellite, and it was a directed energy weapon
1 (4.3%)
Something else.
3 (13%)
Denspressure
1 (4.3%)

Total Members Voted: 23

Voting closed: March 06, 2017, 10:56:40 PM

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2400 on: March 17, 2017, 08:28:56 PM »
You're lying again, like when you said you worked at CERN.

How does eating your words about Bhs Feel?



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Even Totes can't touch it, best he's got is "the NIST report is maybe possible."

Absolutely speaks volumes.

Edit. Cern not Nist lol sorry been reading too much NIST.

After a while everyone becomes immune to your lies,  yes I worked on a project at CERN,   yes I solved Master_Evar's  weight distribution problem.  The fact that you missed it,  says something  very interesting about you.

I think you must have a serious reading comprehension problem.  I've been saying it for a while now,  and you keep proving it with your weird reality disconnects. 

Every time you start down this path,  you end up having a melt down.


« Last Edit: March 17, 2017, 08:38:13 PM by Rayzor »
Stop gilding the pickle, you demisexual aromantic homoflexible snowflake.

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disputeone

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2401 on: March 17, 2017, 08:29:41 PM »
I now believe 9/11 happened exactly how we were told by official sources. I don't think there's any argument about that now.
Rayzor and crew have managed to make it all add up perfectly.
Well done to them. Some smart people we have.

Take a bow Rayzor.

You have truly proven the official story has absolutely no holes and is completely water tight. /sarcasm.

Lmao.

Edit, dude you posted a visitors pass, lmao, claims to be a shyintizt, shows. Cern tour pass, wanna see my tour pass to the zoo?

You've been lying I've been nothing but honest.

You didn't "solve" the thought experiment, it's unsolvable.

And here's a real nightmare, but something very fascinating: It's fucking unsolvable.

kek.

Lie more.
« Last Edit: March 17, 2017, 08:39:21 PM by disputeone »
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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disputeone

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2402 on: March 17, 2017, 08:41:04 PM »
If you guys can't seperate my attitude with Rayzor and honest posters, then you can think I'm a dick, l'll wear that.

I have a passion for truth and justice.
I dislike those that would willingly fight against it.



> Says clearly to stay with your group.

> Claims it wasn't a tour.

Lmao.

Edit.

Oh and Totes, credit where credit is due, this goes both ways good credit and bad credit.

Totes, Jack Black and Itsatorus are scientists no doubt about that.

Rayzor is just a dick.

I'm not naive.
« Last Edit: March 17, 2017, 09:08:21 PM by disputeone »
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2403 on: March 17, 2017, 09:25:28 PM »


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It is a non-combustible material (i.e. it does not burn), and has a slow rate of heat transfer. Concrete ensures that structural integrity remains, fire compartmentation is not compromised and shielding from heat can be relied upon.

http://www.concretecentre.com/Performance-Sustainability-(1)/Fire-Resistance.aspx

lol, concrete.

It's just way too easy to smash the OS on wtc 7, yawn.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2404 on: March 17, 2017, 09:25:52 PM »
I didn't say invulnerable I said they wouldn't expand to a degree that caused failure, NIST ignored the actuality of the structure and built a computer model to model something that nowhere near represented reality.

Source.


That source does not support your conclusion. It's not even related. You claimed to be good at logic. Please make sure your sources/evidence logically supports your stated conclusion.

It just absolutely supports my conclusion. NIST didn't release their data because their data is obviously inaccurate.

Logic?

This is pure speculation.

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The only progressive failure was the columns being sequentially cut or destroyed as the building goes down.

Which columns? Exterior or interior? Be specific. Also, source?

Initially the centre columns as I said, reinforced concrete core smashes any hope of free-fall.

This is pure speculation, which doesn't even agree with the video evidence I provided.

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The idea of the building failing progressively from the inside leaving the outside looking perfectly intact is not reality.

Source? Evidence? Anything? The video I provided clearly shows the east-top-center collapsing several seconds before the exterior. This corroborates the NIST report. Is there a reason you think this specific assertion by the NIST is untrue, other than general mistrust of the NIST?

Sources.

10 years experience working on buildings.

All structural engineering.

All mechanical engineering.

A building interior and exterior are linked, it is not like a china doll. The indside supports are linked to the outside supports.

Also I am claiming concrete as a source.

Here is the problem with arguments from authority: once you lose credibility as an expert, you lose your argument. You have made so many illogical, speculative, and biased arguments that I am not going to take seriously any argument that requires me to trust your own judgement.

And for the record, I know the "interior and exterior are linked." Here's the thing about stuff that has been on fire for 7 hours: stuff breaks.

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The top part collapsing before free-fall is nothing but more evidence of controlled demolition. If the column had honestly failed, pro-tip, reinforced concrete doesn't fail under fire. We would have seen a true progressive collapse, that is, not symmetrical gravitational acceleration. This has nothing to do with your previous sentence. You claimed to be good at logic. Please make sure statements follow logically.

Column 79 didn't fall directly due to heat. It buckled due to horizontal forces resulting from other beams expanding due to heat. Please stop unfairly representing the opposing arguments.

Ok it buckled (bent)
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bend and give way under pressure or strain.
"the earth buckled under the titanic stress"
so bending metal causes free-fall symmetrical collapse?

No, the bending of column 79 caused the center to collapse, not necessarily at free-fall or symmetrically. Please stop trying to skip steps.

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I am not the one being irrational, I know this is hard to think about but I will ask that we don't debate by covering our eyes and ears.

Yes, you are being incredibly irrational. Trying to pass off speculation as evidence is not rational.

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Minor asymmetrical damage leading to major failure and symmetrical collapse at free-fall.

Impossible.

Absolutely untouched since page one.

A) It wasn't symmetrical. It was leaning south. Also, the center of the northern face sagged well below the corners.
B) What's to touch? You just keep asserting that it is impossible. Repeating it over and over again doesn't make it true. I see no reason to think that it is impossible.


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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2405 on: March 17, 2017, 09:38:42 PM »
I'm not claiming to be an expert.
Not at all.
Concrete is the expert.

This destroys the free-fall due to fire induced total progressive collapse Totes. It just does, a reinforced concrete core won't fail to fire. I am deeply sorry about this.



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It is a non-combustible material (i.e. it does not burn), and has a slow rate of heat transfer. Concrete ensures that structural integrity remains, fire compartmentation is not compromised and shielding from heat can be relied upon.

http://www.concretecentre.com/Performance-Sustainability-(1)/Fire-Resistance.aspx

lol, concrete.

I get a bit of shit of shit for how cool I think the EM drive is, for ages we were like "it's impossible defies physics, not peer reviewed, bunk"

Then after peer review a lot of us are still saying, "it's impossible, defies physics, bunk."

I am sure you know that peer review isn't "proof" it's pretty much just showing your hypothesis to a bunch of guys who are qualified to review it and they say if the experiment / hypothesis is stupid or not.

Well apparently the experiment / hypothesis for the EM drive doesn't look that stupid.

Do you know what was never peer reviewed? Fire induced total progressive collapse.

See for me I am still on the "it's impossible, defies physics, not peer reviewed, bunk."

Sorry for the OT but it doesn't seem like you want to talk about the specifics of wtc 7 and the fire and collapse.
« Last Edit: March 17, 2017, 09:44:38 PM by disputeone »
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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TotesReptilian

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2406 on: March 17, 2017, 09:47:23 PM »
I'm not claiming to be an expert.
Not at all.

"Sources. 10 years experience working on buildings."

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Concrete is the expert.

This destroys the free-fall due to fire induced total progressive collapse Totes. It just does, a reinforced concrete core won't fail to fire. I am deeply sorry about this.

I refuted this already a few posts ago.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2407 on: March 17, 2017, 09:53:56 PM »
Can you cite where you showed how fire could cause the reinforced concrete core to fail to the extent of a 2.25 second free-fall of the entire building?



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It is a non-combustible material (i.e. it does not burn), and has a slow rate of heat transfer. Concrete ensures that structural integrity remains, fire compartmentation is not compromised and shielding from heat can be relied upon.

http://www.concretecentre.com/Performance-Sustainability-(1)/Fire-Resistance.aspx

lol, concrete.

Show me that fire is more likely to have caused what we saw than controlled demolition.

>central supports destroyed, massive pulverization of concrete under what was supposedly only gravitational potential energy.

>other supports destroyed causing a symmetrical 2.25 second free-fall of the entire remaining building.

>squibs clearly seen only where we would expect them on a controlled demolition, squibs seen during period of free-fall ruling out explosive compression.

See for me I am still on the "it's impossible, defies physics, not peer reviewed, bunk."
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2408 on: March 17, 2017, 10:03:24 PM »
Also, Totes, come on man, absolutely no deformation of the outer structure after the reinforced concrete core supposedly "progressively collapsed" just straight down, symmetrical free-fall into the path of greatest resistance?

You know something is wrong with it, I know you know, however our beliefs and opinions are our own.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2409 on: March 17, 2017, 10:43:17 PM »
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February 19, 1989:
Before it moves into a new office tower in downtown Manhattan (WTC7), Salomon Brothers, the brokerage firm, intends to spend nearly two years and more than 200 million cutting out floors, adding elevators, reinforcing steel girders, upgrading power supplies and making other improvements in its million square feet of space.... "We were driven very much by technology. We had to find a building that could accommodate our needs, including major-sized trading floors." explained Gedale B. Horowitz, a senior executive director of Salomon. Much of the new electrical, air-conditioning and mechanical equipment will serve three double-height trading floors. To create the extra height, workers are removing most of three existing floors, using jackhammers to demolish concrete slabs and torches to remove steel decking and girders beneath the concrete. In some office buildings, that alteration would be impossible, but Silverstein Properties tried to second-guess the needs of potential tenants when it designed Seven World Trade Center as a speculative project. "@@We built in enough redundancy to allow entire portions of floors to be removed without affecting the building's structural integrity, on the assumption that someone might need double-height floors@@," said Larry Silverstein, president of the company. "Sure enough, Salomon had that need." More than 375 tons of steel - requiring 12 miles of welding - will be installed to reinforce floors for Salomon's extra equipment.

http://www.nytimes.com/1989/02/19/realestate/commercial-property-salomon-solution-building-within-building-cost-200-million.html

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Due to the effectiveness of the spray-applied fire-resistive material (SFRM) or fireproofing, the highest steel column temperatures in WTC 7 only reached an estimated 300 degrees Celsius (570 degrees Fahrenheit), and only on the east side of the building did the steel floor beams exceed 600 degrees Celsius (1,100 degrees Fahrenheit). However, fire-induced buckling of floor beams and damage to connections—which caused buckling of a critical column initiating collapse—occurred at temperatures below approximately 400 degrees Celsius (where thermal expansion dominates.

https://www.nist.gov/el/faqs-nist-wtc-7-investigation

LoL.

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In this paper, the effects of elevated temperatures on the compressive strength stress–strain relationship (stiffness) and energy absorption capacities (toughness) of concretes are presented. High-performance concretes (HPCs) were prepared in three series, with different cementitious material constitutions using plain ordinary Portland cement (PC), with and without metakaolin (MK) and silica fume (SF) separate replacements. Each series comprised a concrete mix, prepared without any fibers, and concrete mixes reinforced with either or both steel fibers and polypropylene (PP) fibers. The results showed that after exposure to 600 and 800 °C, the concrete mixes retained, respectively, 45% and 23% of their compressive strength, on average

The steel-fiber-reinforced concretes also showed the highest energy absorption capacity after the high-temperature exposure

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0008884604000900

There, citations.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2410 on: March 17, 2017, 10:56:15 PM »
A) It wasn't symmetrical. It was leaning south. Also, the center of the northern face sagged well below the corners.

Lulzy.

That's about as good as you get in reality.







Wtc 5 did ok.





Wtc 6 didn't fall either, much less free-fall.



It suffered what we used to call a progressive collapse before 9/11
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2411 on: March 17, 2017, 11:04:24 PM »
Can you cite where you showed how fire could cause the reinforced concrete core to fail to the extent of a 2.25 second free-fall of the entire building?
Column 79 didn't fall directly due to heat. It buckled due to horizontal forces resulting from other beams expanding due to heat. Please stop unfairly representing the opposing arguments.

I'm not sure what you mean by "concrete core". Where exactly was this concrete core located? Can you point it out on a floor diagram or schematic? Regardless, concrete may be great under compression, but it generally sucks under tension and shear.

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Show me that fire is more likely to have caused what we saw than controlled demolition.

Off topic, but if you insist. Why on earth would they let it burn for 7 hours before blowing it up? That is introducing a ton of risk. What if some of their demo rigging had been destroyed by the fire?

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2412 on: March 17, 2017, 11:14:26 PM »
A) It wasn't symmetrical. It was leaning south. Also, the center of the northern face sagged well below the corners.

Lulzy.

That's about as good as you get in reality.



That's because that shot is taken from the north. It is leaning away from you. Shots taken from the west show the lean. Also, notice the obvious sag in the middle of the northern edge.

As for the "squibs"... that youtube video falsely represents the location of the squibs with a low resolution shot. The better resolution videos (like the gif above) show a much more scattered collection of "squibs" which appear AFTER it starts to fall.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2413 on: March 17, 2017, 11:31:24 PM »
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Show me that fire is more likely to have caused what we saw than controlled demolition.

Off topic, but if you insist. Why on earth would they let it burn for 7 hours before blowing it up?

So you can say "Why on earth would they let it burn for 7 hours before blowing it up?"

That is introducing a ton of risk. What if some of their demo rigging had been destroyed by the fire?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_shield

memba when you said the firemen were cool to stand on the floor of the temperatures causing molten metal (steel proven not to be ally again and again, most notably by Rayzor) cause they had fireman suits on.

Smdh.

Honestly.

It's not you, no one can actually defend the OS on wtc 7, it's an untenable position, I don't blame you for using bad arguments.

I'm not sure what you mean by "concrete core". Where exactly was this concrete core located? Can you point it out on a floor diagram or schematic?

Sure.

http://www2.ae911truth.org/downloads/NIST_WTC7_FOIA_11-209.zip

http://www2.ae911truth.org/downloads/NIST_WTC7_FOIA_12-009.zip

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center

Regardless, concrete may be great under compression, but it generally sucks under tension and shear.

Paid, but we saw it get completely pulverized.

The better resolution videos (like the gif above) show a much more scattered collection of "squibs" which appear AFTER it starts to fall.

Yes, squibs during free-fall eliminating the possibility of explosive compression. Scary right?
« Last Edit: March 17, 2017, 11:33:32 PM by disputeone »
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2414 on: March 17, 2017, 11:31:28 PM »
If you guys can't seperate my attitude with Rayzor and honest posters, then you can think I'm a dick, l'll wear that.

I have a passion for truth and justice.
I dislike those that would willingly fight against it.



> Says clearly to stay with your group.

> Claims it wasn't a tour.

Lmao.

Edit.

Oh and Totes, credit where credit is due, this goes both ways good credit and bad credit.

Totes, Jack Black and Itsatorus are scientists no doubt about that.

Rayzor is just a dick.

I'm not naive.

Yes you are,   I was there working on a project with my son and the CERN annual open day just happened to be at the end of that week.   Which gave us the opportunity to do underground tours of the CMS detector and the ALICE detector.   

I'm long past having to prove myself,  you on the other hand, have yet to prove yourself capable of holding a debate without continually misunderstanding what's been written,  and then misrepresenting the others arguments. 

WTC7  was not a symmetrical collapse,  and it doesn't look like a controlled demolition no matter how many times you keep saying it doesn't make it any more or less than your personal opinion, whch carries zero weight in the argument.

I wonder how many more times you will keep saying the same stuff over and over.








 
Stop gilding the pickle, you demisexual aromantic homoflexible snowflake.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2415 on: March 17, 2017, 11:39:08 PM »
WTC7  was not a symmetrical collapse,  and it doesn't look like a controlled demolition.

Shut up shill, did the tour guide let you hold his hand?

Here.

Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2416 on: March 17, 2017, 11:48:10 PM »
I see no reason to think that it is impossible.

>Air resistance causing a negligible effect on fall acceleration.

>Steel and Concrete also causing a negligible effect on fall acceleration.

LoL



"Although the labourer is massive he has no chance of digging through three metres of concrete"
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2417 on: March 18, 2017, 12:43:32 AM »
People's "replies" in this thread lol... Although I am currently moderately blitz, I will still chime in with a comment.
Well no..I have never been involved in demoing a building that tall, nor have I ran plane into a building either. However, I have been involved in demoing a building about as tall as 7. Steel framed as well.

Also, forecasting is one of my specialties, that is why I have the programs I have. Also a few of my extra curricular certs specialize in that. As I said before, just a few weeks ago I was part of a couple man engineering team to make the call on the condo fire here to see if it was safe for fire investigators to enter. Burned for almost two days, not a full collapse (concrete base and first floor, wood skeleton, steel spine, 4 stories).. Unfortunately it was a no, even with a death inside. All those people are going to lose all of their belongings, they are going to demo it.

I know what I am looking at, my mind can process and predict well, my programs even better.

I also know that 15 percent of a top of a structure cannot pulverize 85 percent of the bottom part. Especially the lower 44....The physics don't work. I also know what I saw on 7, it had every sign of a CD.

I can speak from models, from experience, from education, and from common sense...What we saw is in no way possible the way we are supposed to believe. 1 and 2 is a no...7 is a resounding no.

I suppose that would be a repost over a comment. However my comment is the repost...what were we talking about again?
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2418 on: March 18, 2017, 12:49:17 AM »
you on the other hand, have yet to prove yourself capable of holding a debate without continually misunderstanding what's been written,  and then misrepresenting the others arguments. 

^

I'm not sure what you mean by "concrete core". Where exactly was this concrete core located? Can you point it out on a floor diagram or schematic?

Sure.

http://www2.ae911truth.org/downloads/NIST_WTC7_FOIA_11-209.zip
http://www2.ae911truth.org/downloads/NIST_WTC7_FOIA_12-009.zip
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center

Please be specific. Since you are so confident that the "concrete core" can't buckle, I'm sure you know exactly where it is, right? And how thick?

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Regardless, concrete may be great under compression, but it generally sucks under tension and shear.

Paid, but we saw it get completely pulverized.

Please try to stick to the line of reasoning. Weather the concrete is pulverized or not has nothing to do with whether the columns are subject to buckling. Regardless, of course concrete got pulverized. It fell 40+ stories. What on earth would you expect?

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The better resolution videos (like the gif above) show a much more scattered collection of "squibs" which appear AFTER it starts to fall.
Yes, squibs during free-fall eliminating the possibility of explosive compression. Scary right?

I have no idea what your train of thought is here. Explosive compression? They are just glass windows. The force required to knock out a few windows is negligible compared to a 47 story building falling down.

And why would there be squibs AFTER the building is already falling? That makes absolutely no sense at all.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2419 on: March 18, 2017, 12:57:46 AM »
If the windows were blown out from compression, it would not be just small spots, just so happening to be in the most useful spot for a demo. Excluding lower ten and upper ten...This is demo 101.

If they were blown from compression it would be entire floors.

The core was not concrete, it was steel encased in concrete, with fire retardant material.

Blowing floors during a fall is demo 101. Take the lower half, start the fall, blow the main gut of the mass, let the upper 10 take care of themselves.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2420 on: March 18, 2017, 01:00:42 AM »
The core was not concrete, it was steel encased in concrete, with fire retardant material.

Thanks.

The concrete was pulverized in mid air by all video footage, it caused absolutely no decrease in fall acceleration.

Squibs "after" the building is falling are just the supplementary supports being destroyed after the main center supports had been cut, note the building was still just barely standing while the central supports failed were destroyed, then symmetrical free-fall and squibs.

Logic?

Come on Totes.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2421 on: March 18, 2017, 01:05:32 AM »
Sorry dispute, you may have to translate a bit, been a long night at the bar..

On the roof staring at the bank of America tower while floating on a raft typing on the FES forum and a shiner beer. Suppose this would be considered the life lol?

Though seeing arguments presented i feel confident in defending my position even in a lowered state lol
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2422 on: March 18, 2017, 01:22:41 AM »
Self pulverisation.
This should leave no people in doubt as to what didn't happen that day, but, as we know; it doesn't seem to compute with some people for varying reasons.
Watch this video right through.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2423 on: March 18, 2017, 01:49:24 AM »
Since you still think a building can't fall - more or less- straight down, I'll quote myself a third time - I hope you start to understand :)
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Physics says that gravitational force points into the center of the earth. So for it to not collaps straight down you'd need a great enough force to pull it to one side. This force might occure or might not. But generally there is no need for it to not-collapse straight down; it's just not true to say so.
For it to slide to one side that force might be due to a leaning ground; but if the ground is rectangular to the force of gravity, this force is 0 since m*g*cos(90)=0.


Also, you still are thinking your "free fall argument" holds any validity, when it has been shown multiple times it does not.
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NIST says gravitational acceleration, I am sorry for using official sources and information, perhaps you would like to re-write the NIST report, as you don't seem to want to use its conclusions.

My answer, quoting it so you can read it again, slowly, and perhaps start understanding:
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How do you calculate "free fall"; i mean it's not like "free fall" is a simple thing. How would you take parameters for air resistance of the collapsing part? How would you make sure you actually observe the real acceleration of the falling part since for that you'd need to know its centre of gravity AND observe that. If you focuse on any outer part inaccuracy would have to be taken into account (additional to the air-restistance-guess used to calculated supposed free fall rate)
Considering that at the early stages the lines obviously are very close (since it starts to fall with v=0 at t=0) a realistic error rate probably discards all conclusions you think you could make expecially in the first moments of the collapse
It makes perfectly sense that there was an acceleration observed that was more or less, within the error rate matching gravitational acceleration. They even used the words "essentially in free fall", "estimation" and "negligible support" making it very clear that those are approximations and not absolute values. I seriously fail to understand how you could misinterpret that.
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I am not the one being irrational, I know this is hard to think about but I will ask that we don't debate by covering our eyes and ears.
For you, thinking in general seems hard, doesn't it?


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10 years experience working on buildings.
All structural engineering.
All mechanical engineering.
Ah, the fitter that thinks he's an engineer :)
Yeah, when reading your posts and how much you actually understand of what you've been told it sure is better you're working as a fitter and not as an engineer. Well, considering the amount of time you spend in here, you're probably hardly working at all anyway.

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Can you cite where you showed how fire could cause the reinforced concrete core to fail to the extent of a 2.25 second free-fall of the entire building?
See, your cognitive dissonance is so advanced that you just blank out the plane-thing and the rubble that fell on the building.


Overall, you're the perfect proof of the statemet I made:
It seems like you (and most of the flatties) cannot live with that there are other points of view and that their (yours/the flatties) opinion is not "the truth".
That's what makes debating you (or flatties/ conspiracy theorists in general) really annoying and pretty pointless. That's also why people like you are so often convinced they "won" the debate, but actually their stupidity, stubbornness and incredible amount of insults did just lead to everyone leaving the discussion.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2424 on: March 18, 2017, 02:14:47 AM »
If the windows were blown out from compression, it would not be just small spots, just so happening to be in the most useful spot for a demo. Excluding lower ten and upper ten...This is demo 101.

If they were blown from compression it would be entire floors.

Which is why I suspect it was just deformation of the window frames. On the other hand, many of the floors had already collapsed according to the NIST. This would make oddly shaped chambers for the air to flow through.

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The core was not concrete, it was steel encased in concrete, with fire retardant material.

You both keep saying "core" singular. Was there one monolithic "core", or were the 20 something central columns each individually encased in concrete?

The concrete was pulverized in mid air by all video footage

Source? I honestly have no idea where you are getting this from. I assume you are still talking about wtc 7, right?

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Squibs "after" the building is falling are just the supplementary supports being destroyed after the main center supports had been cut, note the building was still just barely standing while the central supports failed were destroyed, then symmetrical free-fall and squibs.

The building was already in freefall when the squibs appeared. It seems extremely unlikely to me that they are the result of intentional explosives. The much simpler explanation is that "windows broke because building is falling".

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2425 on: March 18, 2017, 03:03:47 AM »

For the last time 9.8m/s2
You are confusing acceleration with velocity.

http://www.dummies.com/education/science/physics/how-to-calculate-acceleration/

Wtc 7 was not hit by a plane, NIST cites fires for the cause of collapse, if you don't like it take it up with NIST.

You are so unbelievably ignorant.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2426 on: March 18, 2017, 04:13:34 AM »

For the last time 9.8m/s2
You are confusing acceleration with velocity.
If you'd know how to quote I'd actually know what you are referring to. I'm pretty sure I know more about physics than you do, but of course it still might be I confused something.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2427 on: March 18, 2017, 05:35:04 AM »
finally if it was a demolition,  why did they leave the center core, alone it was still standing 20-30 stories high at the end.
I don't think there is any evidence of this assertion. 

Here you go.  WTC1



That is not the the core column.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2428 on: March 18, 2017, 04:55:54 PM »
finally if it was a demolition,  why did they leave the center core, alone it was still standing 20-30 stories high at the end.
I don't think there is any evidence of this assertion. 

Here you go.  WTC1



That is not the the core column.

Try again.

So what do you think it is?
Stop gilding the pickle, you demisexual aromantic homoflexible snowflake.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #2429 on: March 18, 2017, 05:26:54 PM »

For the last time 9.8m/s2
You are confusing acceleration with velocity.
If you'd know how to quote I'd actually know what you are referring to. I'm pretty sure I know more about physics than you do, but of course it still might be I confused something.

Yes.

How do you calculate "free fall"; i mean it's not like "free fall" is a simple thing.

You are confusing acceleration with velocity. Not gonna say it again.

how do you calculate free-fall

9.8m/s2

With simple algebra.



If I run a 10 second quarter mile my acceleration is on average 8.04 m/s2

Surprisingly slower than gravitational acceleration.

I'm pretty sure I know more about physics than you do

You assume too much.

If we wanna get real fancy we can plot change of acceleration using calculus.

But I am sure you knew that.

This is why people roll their eyes at you.

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Stage 2 (1.75 to 4.0 seconds): gravitational acceleration (free fall)

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Gravitational acceleration (symbolized g) is an expression used in physics to indicate the intensity of a gravitational field. It is expressed in meters per second squared (m/s 2 ). At the surface of the earth, 1 g is about 9.8 m/s 2 .
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Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.