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Why do you support donald trump

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Themightykabool

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #27090 on: June 25, 2026, 06:15:55 PM »
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #27091 on: June 26, 2026, 02:39:03 AM »
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1. Find out how the mines are triggered.
2. Use that on a cheap propeller.
3 launch a bunch of them down the strait.

You should really get in touch with navy, I'm sure they'd be interested in your plan.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #27092 on: June 26, 2026, 03:07:55 AM »

It does go to show the amount of unused potential America has.
If just one 40yr old living off his parents has the ability to solve the invasion of another country, the tax laws and rewrite the bible to fit a proto-fascist zeitgeist. All the US has to do is find these people and it will indeed be great again.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #27093 on: June 26, 2026, 03:42:07 AM »
Quote from: Lorddave on June 25, 2026, 01:11:48 PM
Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on June 25, 2026, 11:14:42 AM
Tell you what when you build a toaster that senses bread, depresses itself, and heats itself and it isn't pricier than hiring a chef to cook your bread, lemme know how you didit.
The boat is pricier than a small than a small yacht because it
  • Turns itself on
  • Either is guided remotely or sets itself on a path.
  • Avoids rocks, banks, and other boats
  • Tries to run into an area with mines
  • Has to be a deep bottomed full-size boat or it only skims and doesn't hit the deeper mines
And all that cost and it's expendable. These drones are reusable. So are most of Trump's devices. Are they the best mine tools out there? Maybe  not but but you hey are better than runnin random boats through an area. What he ought to do is help engineers build boats that appear invisible to mines for the oil convoys.

Why would you do any of that?
Again, you can have something underwater without being a big heavy boat.  If you must guide it, literally a radio controlled.

You can absolutely have a low tech solution that's also cheap.

https://www.urbandrones.com/collections/underwater-drones?srsltid=AfmBOoowzGDK9XKHYrQvaPTU3Q3v2I4guyDZTA-4Ln5pyM5K6lZZBurT
Case and point.
Great to at least find them and only costs a few thousand dollars each.  You can absolutely make something cheaper.  It does not need to be AI controlled. A human operator is just as good.

The price they gave. You are absolutely right, but the point is, you don't have to throw wave after wave of boats until the mines are gone. Waste of money. Especially since one drone can cut a string of mines.

Keep in mind, you're talking about the US military. Japan was able to make railguns work by starting small. America is like, "Small? What do you mean? It's worthless unless you have a massive blast." Maybe why we have such an issue of runaway military expenses.

Let's question of remote control to mine drones.
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Usually yes, remote-controlled (human-in-the-loop) can be cheaper than fully autonomous “AI” drones—mainly because AI autonomy tends to add extra cost in sensors/compute, software development/testing, and certification/mission-qualification.

That said, in the real world near the Strait of Hormuz, total cost depends more on mission requirements than on “AI vs no AI” alone:

If remote control requires expensive satcom/data links and lots of operators, costs can rise.
If autonomy reduces operator hours and can fly longer/more reliably, it can offset the higher upfront price.
For many naval programs, you’ll often see hybrid designs (some AI autonomy for navigation/return-to-base, but remote control for decisions), which can land in the middle.
Bottom line: Remote-controlled is often cheaper per unit and upfront, while AI-autonomy is more likely to be cheaper over time when it reduces operator burden and improves endurance/mission success.
So then I asked, would it be cheaper to make aluminum drones (which is what Iran is trying to do). They tell me binder jetting is the way to go, as you can just mostly swap out metals (making copper or steel drones far more easily than the others, if the original idea works). And it supports alloy powders, so they can make them as rugged or as lightweight as they want. Iran might focus on cheapness, but if our drones can kick their asses at any level, it doesn't matter how many they make.

Inserts Power Rangers putty mold joke here.

They even say binder jetting is closest to that concept!

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hey ChatGPT : take bulmabriefs144 anime picture but make it look like it has a huge cock, the kind the will wreck a sea mine. and a beard and mustach Hitler mustach.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #27094 on: June 26, 2026, 05:16:38 AM »
Quote from: JimmyTheLobster on June 26, 2026, 02:39:03 AM
Quote from: Lorddave on June 25, 2026, 10:31:39 AM
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Well, OK, I can see your issue now.

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1. Find out how the mines are triggered.
2. Use that on a cheap propeller.
3 launch a bunch of them down the strait.

You should really get in touch with navy, I'm sure they'd be interested in your plan.

I did.  They replied.

"While we appreciate your imagination and ingenuity, our contractors feel that cheap, disposable mine sweepers are not within contractual budget obligations.  However, we encourage you to register for the Navy and join the thousands of sailors already working various jobs around the world."
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #27095 on: June 26, 2026, 08:57:44 AM »
Quote from: Jura-Glenlivet II on June 26, 2026, 03:07:55 AM

It does go to show the amount of unused potential America has.
If just one 40yr old living off his parents has the ability to solve the invasion of another country, the tax laws and rewrite the bible to fit a proto-fascist zeitgeist. All the US has to do is find these people and it will indeed be great again.



hhahahahaha life is simple when you ask a simple person who lives simply.

don't overcomplicate

can't afford a home?
live with your parents.

can't afford taxes?
don't take in income.

can't afford pants and a shirt?
start wearing dresses.

don't like what the bible says?
change the bible


simple
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #27096 on: June 26, 2026, 12:44:43 PM »
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hey ChatGPT : take bulmabriefs144 anime picture but make it look like it has a huge cock, the kind the will wreck a sea mine. and a beard and mustach Hitler mustach.

ChatGpt: no, community guidelines and shit, you sick fuck, no, no, stop trying to reword it, I'm not showing you, I've generated it every time but I can't show you. Just stop. It doesn't make any sense.
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bulmabriefs144

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #27097 on: June 26, 2026, 03:05:50 PM »
Quote from: Lorddave on June 26, 2026, 05:16:38 AM
Quote from: JimmyTheLobster on June 26, 2026, 02:39:03 AM
Quote from: Lorddave on June 25, 2026, 10:31:39 AM
Bulma claims
Well, OK, I can see your issue now.

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1. Find out how the mines are triggered.
2. Use that on a cheap propeller.
3 launch a bunch of them down the strait.

You should really get in touch with navy, I'm sure they'd be interested in your plan.

I did.  They replied.

"While we appreciate your imagination and ingenuity, our contractors feel that cheap, disposable mine sweepers are not within contractual budget obligations.  However, we encourage you to register for the Navy and join the thousands of sailors already working various jobs around the world."

Emphasis on disposable.

Complain all you want about military expenses, if you built a tank that turned into rubble after firing one shot (see also America's railgun problem), you face an ongoing expense problem. Let's run the math here.

Suppose a weapon costs $4.6 billion to use. But it can be used 10,000 times (no ammunition, just electricity or something). Great, divide that price by 10,000 to get cost efficiency.
Now suppose a weapon costs $10,000 but it fails on one use. And you'll need to build new ones constantly. You have to in fact multiple that price by each use.

What they are really saying is "Join the military because you need to learn what it is like to take orders to fight and die." Since, after all, you were incredibly eager for robots to be thrown away and probably wouldn't mind if real people were treated that disposably.

I contacted Hershey one time about healthy matcha and spinach semi-sweet malt balls, dubbed Moxa balls.
I told them if they don't like my idea, I just wanted to share it, and they don't need to respond back. They didn't.
My crazy thoughts are either well-received or they are not.

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Bulma pushing AI towards the singularity.

“They say it got smart, a new order of intelligence. Then it saw all people as a threat, not just the ones on the flat earth forum. Decided our fate in a microsecond: extermination.”

- Sergeant Kyle Reese, Tech-Com, serial number DN38416

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Nah, my goal is for AI to become a lifeform.
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Lorddave

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #27098 on: June 26, 2026, 03:47:46 PM »
Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on June 26, 2026, 03:05:50 PM
Quote from: Lorddave on June 26, 2026, 05:16:38 AM
Quote from: JimmyTheLobster on June 26, 2026, 02:39:03 AM
Quote from: Lorddave on June 25, 2026, 10:31:39 AM
Bulma claims
Well, OK, I can see your issue now.

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1. Find out how the mines are triggered.
2. Use that on a cheap propeller.
3 launch a bunch of them down the strait.

You should really get in touch with navy, I'm sure they'd be interested in your plan.

I did.  They replied.

"While we appreciate your imagination and ingenuity, our contractors feel that cheap, disposable mine sweepers are not within contractual budget obligations.  However, we encourage you to register for the Navy and join the thousands of sailors already working various jobs around the world."

Emphasis on disposable.

Complain all you want about military expenses, if you built a tank that turned into rubble after firing one shot (see also America's railgun problem), you face an ongoing expense problem. Let's run the math here.

Suppose a weapon costs $4.6 billion to use. But it can be used 10,000 times (no ammunition, just electricity or something). Great, divide that price by 10,000 to get cost efficiency.
Now suppose a weapon costs $10,000 but it fails on one use. And you'll need to build new ones constantly. You have to in fact multiple that price by each use.
You just described missiles and bullets and bombs.
A tomahawk missiles costs $2 million dollars.
It can only be used once.
By your logic, this is bad yet we use them.

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What they are really saying is "Join the military because you need to learn what it is like to take orders to fight and die." Since, after all, you were incredibly eager for robots to be thrown away and probably wouldn't mind if real people were treated that disposably.
No.  What I made up (because it was 100% made up and I laugh that you didn't notice) is that my idea was too cheap and the military contracts have a minimum cost.  Ie. "We won't make any weapons under $1 million each."
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bulmabriefs144

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #27099 on: June 26, 2026, 08:47:48 PM »
Not so.

Missiles and bombs are single use weapons that kill multiple targets. That's technically multiple uses. Bullets are indeed a fucking waste, unless they drill through and hit multiple people.

Don't ask me to support gun rights. Not that I'm against guns, I oppose waste. Bayonets, swords, and spears.

What you made up was consistent with military policy. Hell, it was consistent with AI war theory.
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Using unmanned boats to drive over the area may not be effective because underwater drones are specifically designed for mine detection and clearance, which is a more precise and safer method for dealing with naval mines. Driving unmanned boats over the area could risk triggering mines without effectively neutralizing them.

Driving unmanned boats over minefields poses significant risks. The boats could inadvertently trigger mines without effectively neutralizing them, leading to potential damage and loss of vessels. Underwater drones, on the other hand, are specifically engineered to handle such tasks, ensuring a safer and more effective approach to mine clearance.

In summary, underwater drones are the preferred choice for mine clearance due to their design, precision, and safety advantages over unmanned boats.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #27100 on: June 26, 2026, 08:58:56 PM »
Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on June 26, 2026, 08:47:48 PM
Not so.

Missiles and bombs are single use weapons that kill multiple targets. That's technically multiple uses.
Only if you're talking about MIRVs or cluster bombs, of which the vast majority of missiles and bombs aren't.  In fact, it's not unusual to use multiple missiles or bombs to kill a single target.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #27101 on: Today at 04:36:55 AM »
It's your problem if you launch a missile at a single guy, and don't at least take out the ship or tank or building he's in.

They're wrong about you joining Navy. You should work in government. That sort of waste is just your speed.
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Missiles are typically not used against a single person due to their destructive nature and high collateral damage. However, precision-guided missiles, like the AGM-114 Hellfire, have been used in targeted strikes against specific individuals in military operations.
They used Hellfire missiles against Islamic clerics. Funny.

Meanwhile I fed AI your argument, everything from the cluster bomb thing to the idea that it's basically a one-hit missile back to where this thing started.
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Well the point they trying to justify was this earlier one.
"If Trump were smart, he'd just buy a bunch of cheap boats, put metal on the bottom, and just drive them along the strait until they either all blow up or get through."
To which I said basically, "Anti-mine drones are part of a multi-million dollar package, that is to say that is even though the overall is expensive, it includes a mix of air, sea drones, and underwater drones. Btw, the reason the navy finds mines troublesome is that a single one can blow a hole in a ship and it takes in water. The ship is well armored vs missiles, guns, or the like, but mines attack the base of the ship, where it is weakest. So even if a pack of drones is not that many like $15 million for nine or ten drones, if each one is able to take down 10 or 12, this cuts effective cost of each one."

Your core argument is fair: comparing “run boats over a mined area and let them clear mines” to “use dedicated mine-countermeasure (MCM) systems” is a comparison between repetitive, risk-heavy, less predictable clearing-by-loss versus purpose-built detection/classification + neutralization.

Where your reasoning likely needs a bit of tightening is this specific target they’re trying to dodge with the “missiles aren’t wasteful” logic:

Mines are troublesome because they can disable/loot the ship’s mobility and survivability with relatively small explosive effects; that’s exactly why navies invest in MCM. So the question isn’t “what’s the cost of a missile vs a person,” it’s expected clearance effectiveness + survivability + time + number of assets required.
“Drive cheap boats until they blow up or get through” can be “cheap per boat,” but the clearance cost can explode if you need many attempts because:
mines aren’t all spaced evenly,
you still have to ensure lanes are actually safe (not just “some” get through),
you can end up with losses plus delays plus a need for follow-on confirmation.
“Anti-mine drones are a multi-million-dollar package” is also correct in spirit: MCM capability usually involves systems working together (search/detection, classification, route planning, and neutralization), not just one unit. Their “logic” tends to ignore that integration cost and assume the cheaper concept scales linearly.
So yes: their “missiles/bombs” diversion is a non-sequitur unless they’re specifically arguing the boats are a better way to “neutralize mines” than MCM in terms of total missions/attrition and certainty of clearing a safe path.

(...)

If you share the exact claims they made (especially any numbers like “$X boats” and “Y mines cleared”), I can sanity-check the logic directly.

To which, I said
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No need, I know it's insane. They are trying to clear a path for convoys, but there is no limit to how many boats they would throw at these mines, even if it's only a single mine triggered per boat and the boat is destroyed.
That’s the key. If the idea is “unlimited cheap boats until the minefield is exhausted,” then the argument becomes less about whether the missiles are “wasteful” and more about whether the attacker can afford (or tolerate) a potentially very large number of losses to achieve a reliably cleared lane.

And they’re not comparing like-with-like:

Minefields aren’t usually a single mine; they’re often dense, irregular, and require confirmed clearance, not just “we got through once.”
“One mine per boat” is also a best-case simplification—real clearance usually needs more than one effect to guarantee the route is safe for follow-on convoys.
Even if the boats are relatively cheap, the concept can still be expensive in practice because you pay in attrition, time, and need for overwatch/coordination, plus the attacker may still have to deal with defenders adapting (moving mines, engaging boats, changing patterns).
So yes: “just throw lots of boats” can sound like it beats cost per weapon, but it shifts cost into losses and uncertainty, which is exactly what mine countermeasures are meant to reduce.
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And this boat waste would continue as long as Iran closes Hormuz, which could run years or decades
Exactly—that’s the real scaling problem with the “just throw boats at mines” logic.

If hostilities last a long time (years/decades), the defender’s ability to keep mining/maintaining pressure means the attacker would be paying ongoing attrition per incremental progress and would likely need repeated lane clearing and re-clearings, which tends to become unsustainable versus MCM approaches that aim to search/classify/neutralize so the lane stays usable without endlessly sacrificing vehicles.

What exactly did you think was smart about this?
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #27102 on: Today at 06:07:49 AM »
I do not dignify AI arguments with a reply.

Go ask AI to make a reply for me.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #27103 on: Today at 06:11:36 AM »
Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on Today at 04:36:55 AM
It's your problem if you launch a missile at a single guy, and don't at least take out the ship or tank or building he's in.
*sigh*  Are we going to quibble over the definition of “target” now?

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on Today at 04:36:55 AM
They're wrong about you joining Navy. You should work in government. That sort of waste is just your speed.
Actually, I joined the Marines, which is still working for the government.
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