Admission that they don't use satellite for internet

Hey, here's an idea; why don't they just spray cheap, radio-wave reflective particles out of airplanes to help alleviate these issues?

That is called jamming.

LOL!!!

Your posts are 'jamming'; they are defensive counter-measures aimed at preventing anyone getting a lock on the truth.

Nice new sig btw...

Original stuff there.

Your posts are 'jamming'; they are defensive counter-measures aimed at preventing anyone getting a lock on the truth.

Yes. I alone have the power to prevent anyone from
getting a lock on the truth.   

Even though the internet is LITERALLY one click away.

One less click away every time you lot astroturf any truthful information though...

Anyone with the slightest knowledge of miltary comms history should know instantly what chemtrails are for.

It is blindingly obvious.

Anyhoo; get astroturfing, losers.

One less click away every time you lot astroturf any truthful information though...

Anyone with the slightest knowledge of miltary comms history should know instantly what chemtrails are for.

It is blindingly obvious.

Anyhoo; get astroturfing, losers.

Chemtrails are used for either weather or behavior modification depending on who is using it and where. I don't entirely disagree with you on the subject of chemtrails since they are indeed a real thing. I just don't agree with you on the purpose. I'm having trouble finding these videos again but there was meteorologist who had some good videos explaining weather and Doppler and was able to show that every time CA was about to get some good ran, and plan would take off from a certain airport and fly a bath ahead of the system and then you just watch the system die out. Not definitive proof of anything but odd none the less.

As for the behavior part even the late Prince was noticing things in his neighborhood when he was younger. You should be able to find this story easy so I'll let you look (If I can find the other videos I mentioned I will post the link). Basically his neighbors were all nice and wonderful people but he would notice that after the plans flew over and started leaving those trails he would find a film of chemicals on the vehicles sometimes and that everyone in the neighbor started acting agitated and angry towards each other for no reason.

Now it is very possible it does have a communications reflecting aspect as well but I doubt the purpose would be to hide the shape of the Earth and make us think GPS is a thing when it is not. I feel like the Technocratic Elite that Eisenhower warned us about in his speech when he left office has better things to do.

Nice astoturfing.

Yet another click away from truth.

The purpose of chemtrails is not even slightly debatable to an intelligent, well informed mind.

Same as how a gas-powered rocket cannot possibly function in a vacuum...

So toodle-pip, 'satellites'.

Astroturf away, losers...

Nice astoturfing.

Yet another click away from truth.

The purpose of chemtrails is not even slightly debatable to an intelligent, well informed mind.

Same as how a gas-powered rocket cannot possibly function in a vacuum...

So toodle-pip, 'satellites'.

Astroturf away, losers...

Dishes point at satellites.

The purpose of chemtrails is not even slightly debatable to an intelligent, well informed mind.

It is, which is why I'm confused on your conclusions.

Quote from: Papa Legba on May 19, 2016, 12:55:33 PM

The purpose of chemtrails is not even slightly debatable to an intelligent, well informed mind.

It is, which is why I'm confused on your conclusions.

It took chemtrails for Legba to confuse you? You're either a brilliant man, or more nuts than all of the Amazon, if you've understood him until now.

Quote from: Papa Legba on May 19, 2016, 12:55:33 PM

The purpose of chemtrails is not even slightly debatable to an intelligent, well informed mind.

It is, which is why I'm confused on your conclusions.

It is not, which explains your confusion.

Quote from: CaptainMagpie on May 19, 2016, 01:25:39 PM

Quote from: Papa Legba on May 19, 2016, 12:55:33 PM

The purpose of chemtrails is not even slightly debatable to an intelligent, well informed mind.

It is, which is why I'm confused on your conclusions.

It took chemtrails for Legba to confuse you? You're either a brilliant man, or more nuts than all of the Amazon, if you've understood him until now.

This is pure astroturfing gibberish, written by either an autist or an AI (same thing).

Some Satellite internet is just above dial up and some are as high as any DSL or Cable
I set up quite a few dishes and believe me,if they arent pointed properly,you can hunt for a signal for days before the dish finds one. As soon as you point it in the right direction. BAM! your on.
THE FISHY THING seems to be> the satellites are always in space in the same exact spot at all times. With all the spinning around it seems NOT LOGICAL. Reason being is that gravity just dont explain these little things in orbit staying there when tiny asteroids or comets dont just hang out in orbit... FLAT EARTH AND FIRMAMENT PROOF IMO

So those of you that think they are cell towers and not GPS satellites,4get that idea..
Cell towers are used yes as repeaters or recievers that then connect to your cell.

Thats why areas like alaska have no cell signals. Cause theres no towers in range.Theres ALOT of towers around from old school cells. And the very tops of them are used to scramble our brains cause that tech is useless for anything other than elf waves vlf waves .
They are mini gwen towers.

Consider the amount of power that is needed to transmit that data!
Operating at 5-20kw depending on low or high orbit.
They use solar cells to charge lithium batteries using triple stacked cells that see 3 levels of light.
20kw is equivelent to CNG gas . Constant CNG gas.
The satellite charging systems can run an electric car .
I always felt that the amount of power needed to run satellites transfering those amounts of datas and infos would be too much to be realistic.

Internet access using satellites is known, proven and documented.

Someone's recently mentioned that bouncing signals off the ionosphere would require accuracy, Maybe that's what the dishes are receiving signals from

Someone's recently mentioned that bouncing signals off the ionosphere would require accuracy, Maybe that's what the dishes are receiving signals from

Can you prove it?  Because I can tell you the ephemeris and orbital elements of the satellite that provides my family's Internet service. 

I'd like to see hollow sun respond because he sounds like he knows about this stuff

Someone's recently mentioned that bouncing signals off the ionosphere would require accuracy, Maybe that's what the dishes are receiving signals from

Bouncing microwave signals off the ionosphere - Really? The ionosphere is a very poor reflector for microwave, you could get some unreliable medium distance transmission by tropospheric scatter, that's all.

Microwaves
Microwaves are sometimes considered to be very short radio waves (highfrequency and high-energy radio waves).
Some important properties of microwaves are:

• They are reflected by metal surfaces.
• They heat materials if they can make atoms or molecules in the material vibrate. The amount of heating depends on the intensity of the microwave radiation, and the time that the material is exposed to the radiation.
• They pass through glass and plastics.
• They pass through the atmosphere.
• They pass through the ionosphere without being reflected.
• They are absorbed by water molecules, how well depends on the frequency (energy) of the microwaves.
• Transmission is affected by wave effects such as reflection, refraction, diffraction and interference.

From: Radio Waves Microwaves

300km ain't bad

How far did the analog TV transmitters broadcast back in the day?

300km ain't bad

How far did the analog TV transmitters broadcast back in the day?

You seem genuinely interested in this stuff.

In which case the subject of Noctilucent Clouds may be worth investigating; no-one had ever seen one before 1885 but now they're everywhere.

Strange, huh?

300km ain't bad

How far did the analog TV transmitters broadcast back in the day?

I'm guessing (and trying to remember back over a decade), but I think we got reasonable pictures to 50 km or so, then the "snow" started to get degrade the picture. Analogue TV degrades gradually, but digital TV works almost perfectly to a certain threshold then degrades rapidly. Of course the range depends a lot on the antennas used and the terrain.

But with satellite TV, the one satellite over the equator can cover the whole of Australia around 5,000 km horizontally from satellites at an altitude of 35,786 km. Mind the dishes in Tasmania seem to aim near to horizontal.

And no, don't suggest reflection from anything within the atmosphere, it just is nothing like high enough to give that sort of range.

Of course, you might ask how do you transmit a TV signal around 40,000 km?
Most of this distance is through near vacuum which does not attenuate the signal, while only 20 km or so is in the atmosphere.

only 20 km or so is in the atmosphere.

So the atmosphere's only 20km thick, is it?

LMFAO!!!

How drunk are you today, Geoff?

Quote from: rabinoz on May 21, 2016, 11:12:30 PM

only 20 km or so is in the atmosphere.

So the atmosphere's only 20km thick, is it?

LMFAO!!!

How drunk are you today, Geoff?

• As you know quite well I have no connection with anyone called Geoff, so that makes you a liar!
• The effective height of the atmosphere (50% of air mass) is really rather less than 10 km, but I was allowing a bit for the slant distance!
  
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  2.3 VERTICAL PROFILES OF PRESSURE AND TEMPERATURE
  The troposphere extends from the surface to 8-18 km altitude depending on latitude and season.
  

  .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 

  The troposphere accounts for 90% of total atmospheric mass at 30°N (85% globally).

  from: CHAPTER 2. ATMOSPHERIC PRESSURE
   

In other words the effective thickness of the atmosphere is actually much less than 20 km.

Next time, make sure you know what you are talking about!
That would be a first of course. How much do you get paid to push threads off the rails?  I would never voluntarily make such an idiot of myself.

I set up quite a few dishes and believe me,if they arent pointed properly,you can hunt for a signal for days before the dish finds one. As soon as you point it in the right direction. BAM! your on.
THE FISHY THING seems to be> the satellites are always in space in the same exact spot at all times. With all the spinning around it seems NOT LOGICAL.

You might want to read about geostationary orbit. It's a circular orbit with a period that matches the rotation period of the Earth with the equatorial plane as its orbital plane, so that the orbiting object stays at the same spot directly over the equator. Because it's always at the same height above the same spot on earth, it's always in the same place in the sky from anywhere on earth where it's above the horizon. The principle is really quite simple.

Reason being is that gravity just dont explain these little things in orbit staying there when tiny asteroids or comets dont just hang out in orbit...

All those other things you mention aren't in geostationary orbits. That's all. In fact, they are orbiting the Sun, not the Earth.

FLAT EARTH AND FIRMAMENT PROOF IMO

Thank you for sharing your opinion.

I'd like to see hollow sun respond because he sounds like he knows about this stuff

You should really work on your source credibility decision making if you thing hollow sun sounds like he knows what he is talking about. Geosationary orbits are fishy to him and he believes "gravity just dont explain" them.

In all honesty I wouldn't take any one on these forums to be a credible source of information, it isn't like the experts in the field of satellite telemetry cruise flat Earth forums in their off time. This site attracts the crazies and the people who like to poke the crazies.

In other words the effective thickness of the atmosphere is actually much less than 20 km.

It gets smaller now, Geoff?

So drunk...

The Allies had GPS in ww2 using the ionosphere and a few radio antennae

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LORAN

That's not GPS.

What's the difference

How the system works. Where the system is used. The area of coverage.

-how it works
It's proof of concept, microwaves could also be used or some other wave
-where
It's basically global, very few antennae are needed
It was even made available to the public in the 70's
It works on land and sea.

It makes more financial sense than using satellites that have to avoid micrometeors constantly

Except for it would be alot harder to implement overall land than you think. Plus the accuracy isn't even close to that of GPS.

I thought you gave up on the flat earth when you debunked it yourself when you asked how people in Australia and South America can see the same stars when looking south.