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Papa Legba

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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #570 on: June 13, 2016, 05:14:41 AM »
You seem to be having something of a crisis...

The simple disabling of a function is in no way comparable to turning a house into a pumpkin.

It is just one click of a mouse away...

If you have access to the controls, of course.

But carry on with your mad denials; they are VERY convincing, I'm sure!

And oh, look; another shitpost squeezed in as I type my reply...

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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #571 on: June 13, 2016, 05:23:18 AM »
You poor bastards.

Just listen to yourselves...

Trying to outwit both Newton & Kelvin in order to make Something Push on Nothing.

Sad stuff.

Fucking hell man, THE ROCKET DOESN'T PUSH ON "NOTHING", IT PUSHES ON THE FUEL!!! Just try to put this in your tiny mind and comprehend it!
How can it push on the fuel. Explain how it manages to push on the fuel to make it move. Don't just say it shoots mass out the back end and just moves. Explain why. Try and do it without a big kiddified rant about my mother or whatever.

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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #572 on: June 13, 2016, 05:35:19 AM »
You poor bastards.

Just listen to yourselves...

Trying to outwit both Newton & Kelvin in order to make Something Push on Nothing.

Sad stuff.

Fucking hell man, THE ROCKET DOESN'T PUSH ON "NOTHING", IT PUSHES ON THE FUEL!!! Just try to put this in your tiny mind and comprehend it!
How can it push on the fuel. Explain how it manages to push on the fuel to make it move. Don't just say it shoots mass out the back end and just moves. Explain why. Try and do it without a big kiddified rant about my mother or whatever.

Explain how you can push anything. What do you mean? Because the fuel ignites, expands, collides with the walls of the interior of the rocket, and is then shot back.
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #573 on: June 13, 2016, 05:49:29 AM »
You poor bastards.

Just listen to yourselves...

Trying to outwit both Newton & Kelvin in order to make Something Push on Nothing.

Sad stuff.

Fucking hell man, THE ROCKET DOESN'T PUSH ON "NOTHING", IT PUSHES ON THE FUEL!!! Just try to put this in your tiny mind and comprehend it!
How can it push on the fuel. Explain how it manages to push on the fuel to make it move. Don't just say it shoots mass out the back end and just moves. Explain why. Try and do it without a big kiddified rant about my mother or whatever.

Explain how you can push anything. What do you mean? Because the fuel ignites, expands, collides with the walls of the interior of the rocket, and is then shot back.
If the fuel expands, then would you agree that it would squash against the sides of the rocket and then be squeezed out through the nozzle?
And if that's the case - in your space - wouldn't that fuel then expand further - or freely - or close to freely - expand into the extreme low pressure environment of so called space, meaning it cannot cause any push back to force the rocket the other way. It could only compress due to expansion until it hits the nozzle and then it's dispersed freely, or almost freely into so called space.

There cannot be any motion in the opposite direction due to this, almost free expansion.
Your trouble is, you believe matter just freely collides like a person kicking a football at a wall. It's a massive mistake a lot of you make.
You make this mistake because you refuse to learn the truth.

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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #574 on: June 13, 2016, 06:06:06 AM »
You poor bastards.

Just listen to yourselves...

Trying to outwit both Newton & Kelvin in order to make Something Push on Nothing.

Sad stuff.

Fucking hell man, THE ROCKET DOESN'T PUSH ON "NOTHING", IT PUSHES ON THE FUEL!!! Just try to put this in your tiny mind and comprehend it!
How can it push on the fuel. Explain how it manages to push on the fuel to make it move. Don't just say it shoots mass out the back end and just moves. Explain why. Try and do it without a big kiddified rant about my mother or whatever.

Explain how you can push anything. What do you mean? Because the fuel ignites, expands, collides with the walls of the interior of the rocket, and is then shot back.
If the fuel expands, then would you agree that it would squash against the sides of the rocket and then be squeezed out through the nozzle?
And if that's the case - in your space - wouldn't that fuel then expand further - or freely - or close to freely - expand into the extreme low pressure environment of so called space, meaning it cannot cause any push back to force the rocket the other way. It could only compress due to expansion until it hits the nozzle and then it's dispersed freely, or almost freely into so called space.

There cannot be any motion in the opposite direction due to this, almost free expansion.
Your trouble is, you believe matter just freely collides like a person kicking a football at a wall. It's a massive mistake a lot of you make.
You make this mistake because you refuse to learn the truth.

Uh, no. You have no idea what you are talking about. What do you care what the gas does AFTER it hits the nozzle? It's irrelevant. What IS relevant is that the expanding gas collides with the interior of the rocket, and then bounces back out of the nozzle. Even if there was no temperature induced expansion, and the gas was let to expand freely inside the tank, the rocket would STILL be propelled forwards, because gas "wants" to expand to ALL directions, it can't just expand to one direction. Since it would try to expand into the walls of the rocket ignition chamber, it would push it forwards. It's like inflating a ballon in order to push something.

"It could only compress due to expansion"

It "compresses" due to "expansion"? What? What does that even mean? How is this possible?

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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #575 on: June 13, 2016, 06:13:02 AM »
You poor bastards.

Just listen to yourselves...

Trying to outwit both Newton & Kelvin in order to make Something Push on Nothing.

Sad stuff.

Fucking hell man, THE ROCKET DOESN'T PUSH ON "NOTHING", IT PUSHES ON THE FUEL!!! Just try to put this in your tiny mind and comprehend it!
How can it push on the fuel. Explain how it manages to push on the fuel to make it move. Don't just say it shoots mass out the back end and just moves. Explain why. Try and do it without a big kiddified rant about my mother or whatever.

Explain how you can push anything. What do you mean? Because the fuel ignites, expands, collides with the walls of the interior of the rocket, and is then shot back.
If the fuel expands, then would you agree that it would squash against the sides of the rocket and then be squeezed out through the nozzle?
And if that's the case - in your space - wouldn't that fuel then expand further - or freely - or close to freely - expand into the extreme low pressure environment of so called space, meaning it cannot cause any push back to force the rocket the other way. It could only compress due to expansion until it hits the nozzle and then it's dispersed freely, or almost freely into so called space.

There cannot be any motion in the opposite direction due to this, almost free expansion.
Your trouble is, you believe matter just freely collides like a person kicking a football at a wall. It's a massive mistake a lot of you make.
You make this mistake because you refuse to learn the truth.

Uh, no. You have no idea what you are talking about. What do you care what the gas does AFTER it hits the nozzle? It's irrelevant. What IS relevant is that the expanding gas collides with the interior of the rocket, and then bounces back out of the nozzle. Even if there was no temperature induced expansion, and the gas was let to expand freely inside the tank, the rocket would STILL be propelled forwards, because gas "wants" to expand to ALL directions, it can't just expand to one direction. Since it would try to expand into the walls of the rocket ignition chamber, it would push it forwards. It's like inflating a ballon in order to push something.

"It could only compress due to expansion"

It "compresses" due to "expansion"? What? What does that even mean? How is this possible?
Go back to sleep.  ;D

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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #576 on: June 13, 2016, 06:30:15 AM »
You poor bastards.

Just listen to yourselves...

Trying to outwit both Newton & Kelvin in order to make Something Push on Nothing.

Sad stuff.

Fucking hell man, THE ROCKET DOESN'T PUSH ON "NOTHING", IT PUSHES ON THE FUEL!!! Just try to put this in your tiny mind and comprehend it!
How can it push on the fuel. Explain how it manages to push on the fuel to make it move. Don't just say it shoots mass out the back end and just moves. Explain why. Try and do it without a big kiddified rant about my mother or whatever.

Explain how you can push anything. What do you mean? Because the fuel ignites, expands, collides with the walls of the interior of the rocket, and is then shot back.
If the fuel expands, then would you agree that it would squash against the sides of the rocket and then be squeezed out through the nozzle?
Yes.  That squashing against the sides of the rocket engine is the force pairing that causes the rocket to move.

And if that's the case - in your space - wouldn't that fuel then expand further - or freely - or close to freely - expand into the extreme low pressure environment of so called space, meaning it cannot cause any push back to force the rocket the other way. It could only compress due to expansion until it hits the nozzle and then it's dispersed freely, or almost freely into so called space.
True, but once the expanding propellant leaves the rocket engine, it has no effect on the rocket whatsoever.  It's only the expansion inside the rocket engine that we're concerned with.
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #577 on: June 13, 2016, 06:39:17 AM »
You poor bastards.

Just listen to yourselves...

Trying to outwit both Newton & Kelvin in order to make Something Push on Nothing.

Sad stuff.

Fucking hell man, THE ROCKET DOESN'T PUSH ON "NOTHING", IT PUSHES ON THE FUEL!!! Just try to put this in your tiny mind and comprehend it!
How can it push on the fuel. Explain how it manages to push on the fuel to make it move. Don't just say it shoots mass out the back end and just moves. Explain why. Try and do it without a big kiddified rant about my mother or whatever.

Explain how you can push anything. What do you mean? Because the fuel ignites, expands, collides with the walls of the interior of the rocket, and is then shot back.
If the fuel expands, then would you agree that it would squash against the sides of the rocket and then be squeezed out through the nozzle?
And if that's the case - in your space - wouldn't that fuel then expand further - or freely - or close to freely - expand into the extreme low pressure environment of so called space, meaning it cannot cause any push back to force the rocket the other way. It could only compress due to expansion until it hits the nozzle and then it's dispersed freely, or almost freely into so called space.

There cannot be any motion in the opposite direction due to this, almost free expansion.
Your trouble is, you believe matter just freely collides like a person kicking a football at a wall. It's a massive mistake a lot of you make.
You make this mistake because you refuse to learn the truth.

Uh, no. You have no idea what you are talking about. What do you care what the gas does AFTER it hits the nozzle? It's irrelevant. What IS relevant is that the expanding gas collides with the interior of the rocket, and then bounces back out of the nozzle. Even if there was no temperature induced expansion, and the gas was let to expand freely inside the tank, the rocket would STILL be propelled forwards, because gas "wants" to expand to ALL directions, it can't just expand to one direction. Since it would try to expand into the walls of the rocket ignition chamber, it would push it forwards. It's like inflating a ballon in order to push something.

"It could only compress due to expansion"

It "compresses" due to "expansion"? What? What does that even mean? How is this possible?
Go back to sleep.  ;D

So you won't reply. Evasion noted.
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #578 on: June 13, 2016, 06:49:30 AM »
You seem to be having something of a crisis...

The simple disabling of a function is in no way comparable to turning a house into a pumpkin.

It is just one click of a mouse away...

Wait, did that happen because I ranted about you faking my quote? Oh man, I really thought I was overreacting, but this is priceless. Apparently this forum is more monitored than I thought.

If you have access to the controls, of course.

But carry on with your mad denials; they are VERY convincing, I'm sure!

Again, this site is called "THE FLAT EARTH SOCIETY". Any idea who runs it?

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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #579 on: June 13, 2016, 06:50:38 AM »
How can it push on the fuel. Explain how it manages to push on the fuel to make it move. Don't just say it shoots mass out the back end and just moves. Explain why. Try and do it without a big kiddified rant about my mother or whatever.

OK, here's the explanation:

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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #580 on: June 13, 2016, 07:32:39 AM »
That'd be great if it actually used Newton's 3rd Law.

But it doesn't therefore it's worthless.

Nice try though, shill.

Quote function still disabled btw!
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #581 on: June 13, 2016, 08:01:07 AM »
That'd be great if it actually used Newton's 3rd Law.

But it doesn't therefore it's worthless.

Calculations to predict stock exchange doesn't use Newton's 3rd Law either. Are they worthless too? Just ask those rich traders! Man, what's up with your logic?

And that post wasn't even for you. I was answering this:
How can it push on the fuel. Explain how it manages to push on the fuel to make it move. Don't just say it shoots mass out the back end and just moves. Explain why. Try and do it without a big kiddified rant about my mother or whatever.
and he didn't ask for Newton's 3rd Law.

But since you asked for it, here it is:

Surprise surprise, the results with and without Newton's 3rd Law are the same.

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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #582 on: June 13, 2016, 08:02:41 AM »
Quote function still disabled btw!

And for that, I don't give a shit. I really don't, why would I?

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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #583 on: June 13, 2016, 08:04:27 AM »
Newton's Third Law

Identifying Action and Reaction Force Pairs

Here's another action/reaction pair to consider (from the same source, no less):
Consider the interaction between a male and female figure skater in pair figure skating. A woman (m = 45 kg) is kneeling on the shoulders of a man (m = 70 kg); the pair is moving along the ice at 1.5 m/s. The man gracefully tosses the woman forward through the air and onto the ice. The woman receives the forward force and the man receives a backward force. The force on the man is equal in magnitude and opposite in direction to the force on the woman. Yet the acceleration of the woman is greater than the acceleration of the man due to the smaller mass of the woman.
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #584 on: June 13, 2016, 08:17:05 AM »
True, but once the expanding propellant leaves the rocket engine, it has no effect on the rocket whatsoever.  It's only the expansion inside the rocket engine that we're concerned with.
Ok answer me a question.
If I placed you inside a cardboard box laid horizontal with legs bent and feet touching the closed un-taped lid on on the right side and your head touching the closed well  taped lid on the left side, then asked you to stretch out - which way would the box move?

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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #585 on: June 13, 2016, 08:31:40 AM »
True, but once the expanding propellant leaves the rocket engine, it has no effect on the rocket whatsoever.  It's only the expansion inside the rocket engine that we're concerned with.
Ok answer me a question.
If I placed you inside a cardboard box laid horizontal with legs bent and feet touching the closed un-taped lid on on the right side and your head touching the closed well  taped lid on the left side, then asked you to stretch out - which way would the box move?

So, now you accept non gas mass as an analogy ? :D If somehow you launch your legs off during stretching, it could work :D

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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #586 on: June 13, 2016, 08:33:41 AM »
True, but once the expanding propellant leaves the rocket engine, it has no effect on the rocket whatsoever.  It's only the expansion inside the rocket engine that we're concerned with.
Ok answer me a question.
If I placed you inside a cardboard box laid horizontal with legs bent and feet touching the closed un-taped lid on on the right side and your head touching the closed well  taped lid on the left side, then asked you to stretch out - which way would the box move?

So, now you accept non gas mass as an analogy ? :D If somehow you launch your legs off during stretching, it could work :D
How about answering the question I posed before I move on.

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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #587 on: June 13, 2016, 08:43:49 AM »
True, but once the expanding propellant leaves the rocket engine, it has no effect on the rocket whatsoever.  It's only the expansion inside the rocket engine that we're concerned with.
Ok answer me a question.
If I placed you inside a cardboard box laid horizontal with legs bent and feet touching the closed un-taped lid on on the right side and your head touching the closed well  taped lid on the left side, then asked you to stretch out - which way would the box move?

So, now you accept non gas mass as an analogy ? :D If somehow you launch your legs off during stretching, it could work :D
How about answering the question I posed before I move on.

so do you accept one of these concepts of a rocket in space  :

1 propelled by water a pump and a garden hose

2 propelled by spring loaded bags of rocks

3 propelled by the mass of gasses ejected by forces generated by combustation


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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #588 on: June 13, 2016, 08:49:20 AM »
True, but once the expanding propellant leaves the rocket engine, it has no effect on the rocket whatsoever.  It's only the expansion inside the rocket engine that we're concerned with.
Ok answer me a question.
If I placed you inside a cardboard box laid horizontal with legs bent and feet touching the closed un-taped lid on on the right side and your head touching the closed well  taped lid on the left side, then asked you to stretch out - which way would the box move?

So, now you accept non gas mass as an analogy ? :D If somehow you launch your legs off during stretching, it could work :D
How about answering the question I posed before I move on.


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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #589 on: June 13, 2016, 09:10:56 AM »
It won't move. Now what was your point?
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #590 on: June 13, 2016, 09:12:33 AM »
It won't move. Now what was your point?
Why won't it move?

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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #591 on: June 13, 2016, 09:13:46 AM »
Friction.

The move mass did not leave. After you push your feet out you have to provide an opposite to stop them.
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #592 on: June 13, 2016, 09:16:26 AM »
Friction.

The move mass did not leave. After you push your feet out you have to provide an opposite to stop them.
Explain what you mean, clearly.

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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #593 on: June 13, 2016, 09:20:22 AM »
Friction from the ground.

Since inertia actually exists. The guy will start the movement of his legs with a force. To stop them he needs to provide another force.

If the guy was in the box which sat on a skateboard and he threw out a medicine ball, he would move.
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #594 on: June 13, 2016, 09:23:35 AM »
True, but once the expanding propellant leaves the rocket engine, it has no effect on the rocket whatsoever.  It's only the expansion inside the rocket engine that we're concerned with.
Ok answer me a question.
If I placed you inside a cardboard box laid horizontal with legs bent and feet touching the closed un-taped lid on on the right side and your head touching the closed well  taped lid on the left side, then asked you to stretch out - which way would the box move?
That's one of your problems, scepti.  You keep asking the wrong questions.  A better question would be something like:

Let's say that you and Papa Legba are in a rowboat in the middle of a pond.  You two get into a terrible argument about the proper way to trim nose hairs and, in a fit of rage, Papa Legba decides to pick you up and throw you out the back of the boat with tremendous force.  What would happen to the rowboat?
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #595 on: June 13, 2016, 01:24:51 PM »
STFU markjo; everyone knows your jokes are shit.

Now THIS is funny:

This inability of a rocket to provide propulsion is because nonsense! Rockets do accelerate in space and have been able to do so for a long time.

Also funny is the fact the name of the poster miraculously changed from 'luggersailor' to 'joshperplexed' on another thread in the time it took for me to reply their post...

Why?

Because shills.
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #596 on: June 13, 2016, 02:18:45 PM »
STFU markjo; everyone knows your jokes are shit.

Now THIS is funny:

This inability of a rocket to provide propulsion is because nonsense! Rockets do accelerate in space and have been able to do so for a long time.

Also funny is the fact the name of the poster miraculously changed from 'luggersailor' to 'joshperplexed' on another thread in the time it took for me to reply their post...

Why?

Because shills.


Pepe apparently has the worst computer on the forums...

Oh look!! That name just changed from 'sceptimatic' to 'papa legba' while I was trying to reply! Did ya'll see that?

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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #597 on: June 14, 2016, 12:32:27 AM »
That's right; accuse me of your own crime...

Shilling 101.

*Yawn!*

I am sorry you are so dumb that you lost control of your sock-puppets.

Perhaps you could jump in another one now to add further artificial peer-pressure to your disinfo-bullshit?

You know; by adding another fake vote to your fake poll or something?

Of course, doing so will change neither the Laws of Motion nor Thermodynamics...

Which is what you madmen are trying to achieve in this thread.

Anyhoo; it is also shilling 101 to always get the last word in...

So off you go, shills; tell Newton & Kelvin again just how wrong they were!
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #598 on: June 14, 2016, 05:26:51 AM »
So off you go, shills; tell Newton & Kelvin again just how wrong they were!
Newton was just fine. 

You're the one who seems to be having a hard time grasping the implications of his 3rd law.
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Re: Newtons third law
« Reply #599 on: June 14, 2016, 05:32:24 AM »
Says you & 50 sock-puppets on a flat earth forum...

Big whoopee!
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