The Conclusive Categorical Conspiracy Compendium

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The constant acceleration would fail at the speed of light as nothing can provide enough power to cross the infinite plane required.

Nope. The accelerating earth will continue to approach the speed of light without reaching it. Take a few basic Physics courses at your local community college before posting here again.

Lol!

To continue 'accelerating' your need to go faster is prevalent. The speed of light isn't a moving scale that you can never reach, its a constant that cannot be reached because of the massive amounts of energy required.

Besides, we have already figured that Relativity cannot exist because Gravity doesnt, so crossing the speed of light threshold shouldn't be a problem.

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Speed of light = 299,792,458m/s
Acceleration needed = 9.8m/s/s

So every second it needs to move 9.8m faster than the previous second. Why dont you go take a few lessons before making assumptions?
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OMFG You idiots seriously need to stop using Galilean velocity transformations near the speed of light.  Use Lorentz like the rest of us.

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Matter becomes more massive as it accelerates, and at the speed of light, an object would have infinite mass.
To accelerate an object of non-zero rest mass to c would require infinite time with any finite acceleration, or infinite acceleration for a finite amount of time
Either way, such acceleration requires infinite energy. Going beyond the speed of light in a homogeneous space would hence require more than infinite energy, which is not a sensible notion.

Remind me again where I am using Galilean Transformations again?

When you said "V' = V + u".  Here, allow me to highlight it for you:

You ... need to stop using Galilean velocity transformations near the speed of light.  Use Lorentz like the rest of us.

please sticky before it is lost forever.

I don't know if this has been brought up before in this post, but have any flat-earthers been bribed by the government?

Here's where this organization is going to fail. We are approaching a generation where it will cost about $1,000,000 for any average joe (millionaire) to go into space. Go into space yourself before you call astronauts bribed liars and try to disprove science. Actually, no FE'ers are scientists nor have any of them graduated from an Ivy League school. The engineer said "Well I'm an engineer, does that count?" - no, no it certainly does not because ur-anus is flatter than the earth is, even if you had a bubblebutt.

I'm no FE'er, but I will attest to the fact that Ivy league schools don't have good science curriculums. Theirs are about Par with public universities. M1T, Frank Olin's, etc are good Science schools - NOT Ivy League

This thread is sorta dissolving here.

About the actual conspiracy theory...

Why is there this gigantic conspiracy in the first place? And I don't mean about motives for covering up the truth: that part has been examined. What I'd like to know is how the overwhelming majority of the populace has come to believe in a round earth, if this assumption is blatantly false?

I mean, in a flat world, where does the reference to a ROUND world come from? If a flat world were the reality, why has nearly every person in the first world embraced the image of a round world? Obviously, if the data pointed to a flat world, a round world theory wouldn't gain a real foothold, and the roles would be reversed, with several dozen people running a forum promoting the existence of a round world.

Also, nobody seems to take into account the credibility of that Voliva character, who blatantly used slave-grade labour to benefit his Zion Industries.

Nicely put, Yakov 

I don't understand the controversy.  NASA spending billions of dollars to try and trick everyone about the shape of the Earth seems very plausible to me.

Then I guess it's a good thing it's made of rock.

IT'S A WALL MADE OF ICE. Ice is as much rock as water is.

Edit: Oh good god, that was posted last month.

I suppose you think your "Antarctica" is made entirely of ice as well? 

I suppose you think your "Antarctica" is made entirely of ice as well? 

I hope it isn't.

i was chosen from accross thousands in scotland to go to space school. i've met many astonauts from america, china and russia and have seen their personal photos of earth that they took.  there are hundreds of these pictures for every single mission. could anyone really spend time faking hundreds of photos every time theres a flight.  also, the people that i have met who have been into space are very nice people and would not live their whole lives a fake.

also, the people that i have met who have been into space are very nice people and would not live their whole lives a fake.

I'm sure that Hitler was a nice fellow deep down inside.

i was chosen from accross thousands in scotland to go to space school. i've met many astonauts from america, china and russia and have seen their personal photos of earth that they took.  there are hundreds of these pictures for every single mission. could anyone really spend time faking hundreds of photos every time theres a flight.  also, the people that i have met who have been into space are very nice people and would not live their whole lives a fake.

Yes it is possible, and actually a small task for the government. Many CIA operatives are considere, "normal people" too.

i was chosen from accross thousands in scotland to go to space school. i've met many astonauts from america, china and russia and have seen their personal photos of earth that they took.  there are hundreds of these pictures for every single mission. could anyone really spend time faking hundreds of photos every time theres a flight.  also, the people that i have met who have been into space are very nice people and would not live their whole lives a fake.

They are bribed liars.

Oh dear, Tom. Godwin's law triumphs again, and this thread must be declared closed.

Why would this thread be declared closed?

*sigh*

Circumnavigation is possible on the FE.

I'm also curious. To Flat Earthers, what is the westernmost continent in the world?

There is no such thing.

Diego, this thread is fucking stupid. I applaud your deductive reasoning and ham-fisted attempts at an epiphany, but you fail, hardocore. 

To be a conspiracy theorist you have to be lazy, very poor or very bad with mathematics.

All you have to do to see for yourself whether the "hovering sun and moon" hypothesis holds any water is to buy a telescope with equatorial mounting and check for yourself whether the sun, moon, planets and stars describe almost perfect circles in the sky as the day and night go by or not.

If you have to add every owner of a $200 dollar telescope to your list of conspirators, you are not talking 40 people to bribe. You are talking millions!
And bribing millions of astronomers at a million a piece costs more than the whole GDP of the United States and Europe together!

Please put me in contact with the proper conspiracists, since I am still waiting for my million dollar bribe.

Right here, buddy!  Thanks for helping us validate the roundness of the earth (LOL).  Your check for one million dollars is in the mail.

The stars of the night sky do scroll by in a circular fashion. 

The stars of the night sky do scroll by in a circular fashion. 

Tom, what makes the stars in the sky scroll in a circular fashion?  Can you perhaps quote from that book?

How about the sun, moon, and planets?

Only 1 person in the GPS industry knows of the conspiracy?  He writes all the software and designs all of the electronics?

How about the sun, moon, and planets?

My guess is they are at a different "level."  The stars must be pegged on a revolving ceiling or something.

Oh, of course!   

The stars of the night sky do scroll by in a circular fashion. 

Every model of a flat earth and a hovering sun fails to explain the apparent circular motion of the stars that you acknowledge. You cannot have it both ways: either you deny this "circular fashion" or you present a model of a flat earth that predicts this result. If you can show a model where this circular fashion and the apparent position of Polaris (the North Star) can be predicted for different latitudes, you just have to publish it and wait for your Nobel Prize. Your problem is one of laziness, of looking too much into the books about the Cosmos and not enough into the Cosmos itself.

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also, the people that i have met who have been into space are very nice people and would not live their whole lives a fake.

I'm sure that Hitler was a nice fellow deep down inside.

Wow. Holy shit. You just compared the morals of men and women risking their lives (often dying) to expand the boundaries of human knowledge to Hitler.

You can go right to Hell, sir.

I realize that there is virtually no way to convince the FE (otherwise science already would have) but in the interest of improving your "model" here is a definite issue.

Presumably, flat earthers believe that the atmosphere is higher than 150 feet from the surface of the world, after all, we can climb tall buildings and still breathe!  However given the constant acceleration of the earth, everything on it would slowly drift away from the north pole and then off the edge of the disc.  With walls 150 feet high, this will happen trivially fast - the air will float off first, and then everything else that isn't nailed down will be making a slow but inevitable movement off the disc due to evaporation (which happens in all materials).

This will actually eventually happen even if the walls are thousands upon thousands of miles high - even a bowl shape will not preserve the materials indefinitely, however with walls as short as posited by the FEers, this will cause the edge of the disc to be a howling void, and unless the atmosphere of the planet is constantly replenished (which opens up an entire set of issues itself), or the entire universe is full of earth's atmosphere, (which would have its own set of issues to explain), then the earth would already be completely depleted of breathable air (and just about everything else save for bare rock).

Now before you say that the air is accelerating too - what would the mechanism for that be?  The air is clearly affected by "gravity" just as we are, and since we aren't accelerating at the same speed as the earth upwards, then the air isn't either.  Next, you can test this result in your kitchen: put some water on a plate and hold it on your hand (vertically) while spinning around.  The water won't accelerate at the same rate as the plate, and splash all over.  Our atmosphere will operate the same way.  The plate's lip has to be pretty high for it to keep all the water in place - pretty much it has to be a bowl, which will exhibit the same issue but keep the water where it is.  But the earth is flat with only an almost imperceptible lip (150 feet is literally impercievable compared to the size of the earth), and the atmosphere is at least 25,000 feet tall (since thousands upon thousands of people have flown that high, and climbed mountains that high).  Clearly the atmosphere would have all spilled over the edges of the "plate" that is the flat earth if it's accelerating at a constant rate.

(Now if the earth is a flat plane that is infinite in all directions, that exhibits its own set of issues)

I'm pretty curious as to what the explanation for this is.

The FE has a 50 000ft ice wall to hold in things like the atmosphere (well, that's the best explanation so far at least).