98% of you are not what you say!

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BoatswainsMate

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98% of you are not what you say!
« on: June 17, 2012, 06:56:41 PM »
98%... that is how many people on this forums are not zetetic.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/zetetic

that is how you define zetetic. The large majority of you all simply follow what you are told by a book. You simply accept what Robotham has told you. How are you all different then the rest of Earth who believe in what they are taught. How many of you went out and conducted experiments to test what you find to be false? I see a great deal of talk on this website, but no action.

So please, if you must claim you believe in a flat Earth prove it. go outside, see the world, experiment, find things. Don't simply search the web for answers to question that is not zetetic. If you believe in an ice wall (dumb idea) then go prove that it exists, not by reading what someone wrote, but going to and finding it. If you believe the sun is 3,000 miles from us go prove it! find the answer, do the math!

Until then 98% of  you are full of shit. Move this to angry ranting if you must, but everyone needs to see it!

People who lack any zetetic principles:

Thork
Tom Bishop
Lord Wilmore
Ski
Tsunami
Rondy
Irushwithscvs
Ichi

And many more!


You all make claims and reference a book, what makes you better then those who reference other books? Next time you feel you need to argue something zetetic, go out and be zetetic first!

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Re: 98% of you are not what you say!
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2012, 07:05:46 PM »
My belief in a flat Earth has nothing to do with anything in any book.  What are you going on about anyway?
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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Re: 98% of you are not what you say!
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2012, 07:07:04 PM »
Plenty of FE'ers here investigate and experiment themselves, and there's no dogmatic adherence to any of Rowbotham's conclusions.  Earth: Not A Globe is more important for its outlining of the zetetic method than the science it discusses.

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Re: 98% of you are not what you say!
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2012, 07:27:50 PM »
I, for one, disagree with Rowbotham on several issues. If I refer someone to ENaG, it is because I believe his explanation there on that specific issue is useful. Further, if one would like to know more about the flat earth movement the book is an excellent place to start.
I can only say that if my heart was not into honest inquiry and investigation, I should still be a happy globularist. It is precisely that spirit of inquiry that led me to belief in a flat earth.
As for experimentation, while I lack a sufficiently large body of water to attempt convexity experiments, I have twice tried to resolve triangles on the surface of the earth with noneuclidean geometry and globularism has failed in both attempts. The sum of angles of each triangle was 180 degrees. I have drafted plans with a colleague for land-based perspective experiments, but I'm afraid they will have to wait until the heat of summer has passed to be performed.
"Never think you can turn over any old falsehood without a terrible squirming of the horrid little population that dwells under it." -O.W. Holmes "Truth forever on the scaffold, Wrong forever on the throne.."

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Re: 98% of you are not what you say!
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2012, 08:00:23 PM »
ENaG is not our bible. Just as Ski said, if it contains a valid response we will reference it, if not, then we will not.

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BoatswainsMate

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Re: 98% of you are not what you say!
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2012, 09:15:16 PM »
your not zetetic I win! deal with it!

And i just felt like stirring things up. Bam

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Re: 98% of you are not what you say!
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2012, 10:07:32 PM »
your not zetetic I win! deal with it!

And i just felt like stirring things up. Bam

??? You stirred things up?

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Re: 98% of you are not what you say!
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2012, 01:12:57 AM »
Poor old Thork tops the list again. ::) And who the hell is Rondy?

I should point out that Rowbotham says that the sun is 700 miles above the earth. The fact that so many of us believe it is 3000 miles above earth (Voliva's calculation) is testament to how selective we are about finding accurate sources. Its not just swallowing what Rowbotham said. We examine everything and many believe his calculations were a little off on that matter for example. It should be noted RErs deal with much larger margins of confusion.

On the Earth's distance from the Sun, Copernicus computed it as 3,391,200 miles, Kepler contradicted him with an estimate of 12,376,800 miles, while Newton had asserted that it did not matter whether it was 28 million or 54 million miles 'for either will do as well'.

However, congratulations. It seems you have progressed to the second stage of the Kübler-Ross model.

Denial: "The earth can't be flat!"
Anger: Threads like this.
Bargaining: "I'll only believe it, if you plan an expedition to Antarctica and launch your own rocket."
Depression: Usually displayed as an absence from the site for a while as a user reflects. ClockTower is going through this right now for example.
Acceptance: A new FEr joins our ranks.
« Last Edit: June 18, 2012, 08:44:21 AM by Thork »

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Re: 98% of you are not what you say!
« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2012, 08:02:00 AM »
98%... that is how many people on this forums are not zetetic.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/zetetic

that is how you define zetetic. The large majority of you all simply follow what you are told by a book. You simply accept what Robotham has told you. How are you all different then the rest of Earth who believe in what they are taught. How many of you went out and conducted experiments to test what you find to be false? I see a great deal of talk on this website, but no action.

So please, if you must claim you believe in a flat Earth prove it. go outside, see the world, experiment, find things. Don't simply search the web for answers to question that is not zetetic. If you believe in an ice wall (dumb idea) then go prove that it exists, not by reading what someone wrote, but going to and finding it. If you believe the sun is 3,000 miles from us go prove it! find the answer, do the math!

Until then 98% of  you are full of shit. Move this to angry ranting if you must, but everyone needs to see it!

People who lack any zetetic principles:

Thork
Tom Bishop
Lord Wilmore
Ski
Tsunami
Rondy
Irushwithscvs
Ichi

And many more!


You all make claims and reference a book, what makes you better then those who reference other books? Next time you feel you need to argue something zetetic, go out and be zetetic first!


Like others here, I disagree with a number of things in Zetetic Astronomy. The point you're trying to make doesn't hold up to any scrutiny.
"I want truth for truth's sake, not for the applaud or approval of men. I would not reject truth because it is unpopular, nor accept error because it is popular. I should rather be right and stand alone than run with the multitude and be wrong." - C.S. DeFord

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Re: 98% of you are not what you say!
« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2012, 08:14:05 AM »
i back BoatswainsMate on this one. most of the fes sources, if not all come either from the internet or from EnaG and possibly a few other books written in the same period. only thought experiments happen here. some here claim to of made some experiments, they either have been famously caught out as a liar or they had provided zero evidence. im amazed that if somebody went through the trouble of making and conducting their own experiments, that they wouldnt document any of it. theres nothing, nothing at all.
you see more REs making experiments here trying to disprove FET.
if you would kindly prove me incorrect and link me to a part of the website with documented evidence for such experiments i would love to look at them. if its more 2nd hand evidence you found off the internet then dont bother.

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Thork

Re: 98% of you are not what you say!
« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2012, 09:12:53 AM »
some here claim to of made some experiments, they either have been famously caught out as a liar
I don't suppose you'd like to post an example of one of these 'famous' instances happening to one of the site's more senior FErs? It is little more than a revolting accusation otherwise.

i back BoatswainsMate on this one. most of the fes sources, if not all come either from the internet or from EnaG and possibly a few other books written in the same period. only thought experiments happen here.
You are visiting via the internet. How exactly are FErs supposed to furnish noobs with evidence backing their claims, if they can't draw upon internet sources and online books? It should also be noted it is the RErs of this site that have the boner for 'thought' experiments. I can't remember the last FEr who started one in the upper fora. Because FErs require Zetetic methodology to fortify facts! Its the RErs who are content to come to a conclusion based on a daydream.

you see more REs making experiments here trying to disprove FET.
No, you see more RErs here pretending to be conducting experiments and gather experiments. Unlike you, I will provide examples.
There was this chap who 'observed' the curvature of the earth from the back of a mig-25. Turns out it was a single seater but lets not let a few facts spoil concrete evidence of a round earth.
There was this guy who was an actual SR-71 pilot. We are lucky. ::)
This guy studies astrophysics
this guy is an astronaut
This guy works for NASA
So does this guy
And this one
and this one
Just a drop in the ocean. In fact everyone who works at NASA has to come here. Its part of the job. ::)
Don't tell me FErs are the ones that come here and make up the lies.

Re: 98% of you are not what you say!
« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2012, 09:37:40 AM »
I strive every day to become a better Zetetic, far from perfect though.
I too do not believe in everything in Earth Not A Globe, especially the sill title.
It should be The Earth is not a sphere.

And the FAQ is very flawed. So pick and choose what you feel are the Zetetics parts and hopefully you can add or subtract from them.

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Re: 98% of you are not what you say!
« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2012, 06:24:06 PM »
thork we both know im right and just laying down the facts. i dont need to talk about these 'famous lies' we all know what im talking about.
you shouldnt need to draw upon the internet if you have made the experiments yourself because you would surely document your findings.
and lastly yes we know that people come here and post crap about their adventures about going beyond the earth yada yada. but there are a few threads with photos and diagrams made from personal experiences. yes they maybe rare but i have yet to see anything from the flat earth believers community post anything from personal experience with good data to back their claims.

you failed too to rise to my challenge of presenting such data, instead you diverted and presented links to round arguments.
would you care to show the community some of your own first hand experiences and the data you gathered?


p.s you are looking buff today
 
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Thork

Re: 98% of you are not what you say!
« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2012, 11:38:33 PM »
thork we both know im right and just laying down the facts. i dont need to talk about these 'famous lies' we all know what im talking about.
Did you think I would accept that as an answer and just move on?

you shouldnt need to draw upon the internet if you have made the experiments yourself because you would surely document your findings.
And why would you believe me? You wouldn't. So I have to use sources you will believe.

and lastly yes we know that people come here and post crap about their adventures about going beyond the earth yada yada. but there are a few threads with photos and diagrams made from personal experiences. yes they maybe rare but i have yet to see anything from the flat earth believers community post anything from personal experience with good data to back their claims.
The site is absolutely littered with our zetetic observations. How much more personal experience would you like us to pack in?

you failed too to rise to my challenge of presenting such data, instead you diverted and presented links to round arguments.
Would you rather I regurgitate something that you can find in ENaG and the FAQ, or would you rather I challenged you on something new?

would you care to show the community some of your own first hand experiences and the data you gathered?
I have done so on many occasions. But as mentioned, no one will take our word for anything we do. Anything I write is a 'lie'. Any picture I post is 'shopped'. Any calculation I make is wrong. Its not the most effective way to reach people. What you are asking is for me to spend vast amounts of time doing something that is not effective and that you can shoot to bits with conjecture and doubt within a few minutes. How about you just let the flat earthers get on with being flat earthers?

p.s you are looking buff today
Thanks, I've been taking steroids.

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Re: 98% of you are not what you say!
« Reply #15 on: June 19, 2012, 09:01:08 AM »
what pictures have you posted thork? i dont recall seeing any. you work harder than most proving fet with logic and reason (at least in your more serious posts). you argue well for the cause. can you point me to a  thread where you have experimented and documented findings?

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Re: 98% of you are not what you say!
« Reply #16 on: June 19, 2012, 05:03:00 PM »
i back BoatswainsMate on this one. most of the fes sources, if not all come either from the internet or from EnaG and possibly a few other books written in the same period. only thought experiments happen here. some here claim to of made some experiments, they either have been famously caught out as a liar or they had provided zero evidence. im amazed that if somebody went through the trouble of making and conducting their own experiments, that they wouldnt document any of it. theres nothing, nothing at all.
you see more REs making experiments here trying to disprove FET.
if you would kindly prove me incorrect and link me to a part of the website with documented evidence for such experiments i would love to look at them. if its more 2nd hand evidence you found off the internet then dont bother.


You've sort of missed the point here. BoatswainsMate's argument is based on two premises:


1) 'Zetetic' has the above definition, and only that definition

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2) Our absolute and dogmatic endorsement of Zetetic Astronomy is at odds with that definition.


He therefore concludes that we are not Zetetics. However, the definition he presents is extremely limited, and in any case, we do not dogmatically endorse Zetetic Astronomy, so there is no issue. His position is riciculous.
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Re: 98% of you are not what you say!
« Reply #17 on: June 19, 2012, 05:16:21 PM »
i back BoatswainsMate on this one. most of the fes sources, if not all come either from the internet or from EnaG and possibly a few other books written in the same period. only thought experiments happen here. some here claim to of made some experiments, they either have been famously caught out as a liar or they had provided zero evidence. im amazed that if somebody went through the trouble of making and conducting their own experiments, that they wouldnt document any of it. theres nothing, nothing at all.
you see more REs making experiments here trying to disprove FET.
if you would kindly prove me incorrect and link me to a part of the website with documented evidence for such experiments i would love to look at them. if its more 2nd hand evidence you found off the internet then dont bother.


You've sort of missed the point here. BoatswainsMate's argument is based on two premises:


1) 'Zetetic' has the above definition, and only that definition

and

2) Our absolute and dogmatic endorsement of Zetetic Astronomy is at odds with that definition.


He therefore concludes that we are not Zetetics. However, the definition he presents is extremely limited, and in any case, we do not dogmatically endorse Zetetic Astronomy, so there is no issue. His position is riciculous.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/zetetic
http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition/Zetetic
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/zetetic
http://www.zetetic.co.uk/zetetic.html

Take your pic, trust me there are many more. I am claiming that mosto f you say you follow the zetetic way, but end up simply going by what you have read or heard. I have seen only a few cases where someone is basing their FE beliefe on things they have observed and tested themselves.

Documenting what they have done for all to see and basing the beliefe off of those findings, that is zetetic. Putting past conceptions behind them and moving forward with a free mind only wanting to discover new possiblities and document them for the world to see, that is zetetic.

Answering/debating while only using someone elses work that you have not seen done first hand, that is not zetetic. Claiming you believe the Earth is flat and so on  with no evidince gathered yourself, that is not zetetic. Claiming that you believe anything without having seen, done, witnessed these things yourself, not zetetic.

So... what are you?

I will, however, say that most of you do fit one part of being zetetic. And that is challenging known concepts. My big problem is that you end at that. Push forward and think outside the box. research and find your answers for yourself. Post your findings, either in the wiki or in a well made/presented thread.

 I am working on something right now that I hope to put forth as clear evidence. I base my idea off of observations made while out at sea, looking at charts, and comparing them to known depths. I am not claiming to be zetetic, but I find the idea fascinating. I try to look at the world in a different perspective and challenge all that I find to make no sense, to me. I am attempting to put forth the time and research to finish my hypothesis.
« Last Edit: June 19, 2012, 05:25:42 PM by BoatswainsMate »

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Re: 98% of you are not what you say!
« Reply #18 on: June 19, 2012, 05:23:31 PM »
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/zetetic
http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition/Zetetic
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/zetetic
http://www.zetetic.co.uk/zetetic.html

Take your pic, trust me there are many more. I am claiming that mosto f you claim to follow the zetetic way, but end up simply going by what you have read or heard. I have seen only a few cases where someone is basing their FE beliefe on things they have observed and tested themselves.

Documenting what they have done for all to see and basing the beliefe off of those findings, that is zetetic. Putting past conceptions behind them and moving forward with a free mind only wanting to discover new possiblities and document them for the world to see, that is zetetic.

Answering/debating while only using someone elses work that you have not seen done first hand, that is not zetetic. Claiming you believe the Earth is flat and so on  with no evidince gathered yourself, that is not zetetic. Claiming that you believe anything without having seen, done, witnessed these things yourself, not zetetic.

So... what are you?


http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=48821.0


I'm not sure why you assume I have "no evidince gathered [sic]". I gather evidence all the time.
« Last Edit: June 19, 2012, 05:25:29 PM by Lord Wilmore »
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BoatswainsMate

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Re: 98% of you are not what you say!
« Reply #19 on: June 19, 2012, 05:30:34 PM »
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/zetetic
http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition/Zetetic
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/zetetic
http://www.zetetic.co.uk/zetetic.html

Take your pic, trust me there are many more. I am claiming that mosto f you claim to follow the zetetic way, but end up simply going by what you have read or heard. I have seen only a few cases where someone is basing their FE beliefe on things they have observed and tested themselves.

Documenting what they have done for all to see and basing the beliefe off of those findings, that is zetetic. Putting past conceptions behind them and moving forward with a free mind only wanting to discover new possiblities and document them for the world to see, that is zetetic.

Answering/debating while only using someone elses work that you have not seen done first hand, that is not zetetic. Claiming you believe the Earth is flat and so on  with no evidince gathered yourself, that is not zetetic. Claiming that you believe anything without having seen, done, witnessed these things yourself, not zetetic.

So... what are you?


http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=48821.0


I'm not sure why you assume I have "no evidince gathered [sic]". I gather evidence all the time.

That is a well written piece. I would very much like to see or read this evidence you have. I would also like to share what I have so far with you, my other thread discussing my initial idea is not complete and I have many more answers to find. Perhaps when I go back on patrol I can complete more of it.