Gravity as a universal law

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Gravity as a universal law
« on: January 14, 2012, 06:48:09 PM »
I'm new to the hypothesis that the earth is flat. So if this question has already been answered then please forgive me. I won't get into specifics here, but assuming that gravity exists, then the spherical shape of our planet and the heliocentric nature of the solar system can be explained.

My question is: How was a flat earth formed? And how can that explanation be applied to any other branch of science?
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Re: Gravity as a universal law
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2012, 07:08:43 PM »
I'm new to the hypothesis that the earth is flat. So if this question has already been answered then please forgive me. I won't get into specifics here, but assuming that gravity exists, then the spherical shape of our planet and the heliocentric nature of the solar system can be explained.

My question is: How was a flat earth formed? And how can that explanation be applied to any other branch of science?

FE does not have a single accepted explanation for why the earth is flat.  They simply know that it is indeed flat.  And as for why the other celestial bodies possess gravitation its because the earth is not a celestial body.  If that sounds crazy, it is because it is crazy.

Re: Gravity as a universal law
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2012, 08:18:56 PM »
 If that sounds crazy, it is because it is crazy.

I don't know how to quote, but the above sentence appears to sum up flat earth.

How was a flat earth formed?
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Re: Gravity as a universal law
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2012, 09:38:03 PM »
If that sounds crazy, it is because it is crazy.

I don't know how to quote, but the above sentence appears to sum up flat earth.

How was a flat earth formed?

They do not pretend to know, because they were not there to see it form.  That is their honest answer.  If you ask them to try to form a hypothesis and test it (aka the scientific method) they will remind you that they are Zetetisists and that they do not believe anything they cannot see for themselves. 

Re: Gravity as a universal law
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2012, 10:14:39 PM »
I'm not asking for an eye witness account. I'm asking for an alternative model that will produce a disc shaped body, in a solar system, that by their logic is obviously a product of gravity.

Edit: It can't be obvious if you deny gravity. But my original question still stands.
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Re: Gravity as a universal law
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2012, 10:19:38 PM »
I am pretty sure the origin of the universe in the flat earth model is the biblical creationism account.

Flat earth seems to be a fable attempt to explain a literal interpretation of the bible.

Re: Gravity as a universal law
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2012, 10:45:52 PM »
FET falls flat on it's face without pleading the earth is special. Why is our planet above universal physical laws? Is it because god done it?
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Re: Gravity as a universal law
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2012, 10:52:27 PM »
I'm not asking for an eye witness account. I'm asking for an alternative model that will produce a disc shaped body, in a solar system, that by their logic is obviously a product of gravity.

Edit: It can't be obvious if you deny gravity. But my original question still stands.

Most likely this will devolve into a discussion of gravity versus gravitation if you continue to call gravity a force.  Just use the word gravitation, because technically gravity is not a force.

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« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2012, 11:03:35 PM »
That's arguing about semantics. It doesn't answer how a disc shape in system of spheres came to be. Gravitational pull can explain every other sphere.
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« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2012, 11:43:40 PM »
That's arguing about semantics. It doesn't answer how a disc shape in system of spheres came to be. Gravitational pull can explain every other sphere.

I am not arguing with you, just letting you know what they think. 

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Re: Gravity as a universal law
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2012, 12:41:01 AM »
Gravitation exists but it is not as strong as currently thought in modern science. In the beginning the aetheric winds forced loose matter from the big bang in a whirlwind like effect and gravitation more or less helped it together. Being propelled by the aether, the earth formed an even, flat disc over the wind and solidified. Why it did not form a bowl-like shape is attributed to the aetheric pressure being stronger near the north pole than the ice wall (however a this effect only went so far, causing the ice wall to be "bowl-like" in nature.

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Re: Gravity as a universal law
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2012, 12:54:11 AM »
Gravitation exists but it is not as strong as currently thought in modern science. In the beginning the aetheric winds forced loose matter from the big bang in a whirlwind like effect and gravitation more or less helped it together. Being propelled by the aether, the earth formed an even, flat disc over the wind and solidified. Why it did not form a bowl-like shape is attributed to the aetheric pressure being stronger near the north pole than the ice wall (however a this effect only went so far, causing the ice wall to be "bowl-like" in nature.

You would think that eventually the "aetheric winds" would lose energy and cause the Earth to be accelerated at a slower and slower rate.

Also, even if gravity were weaker than we believe, shouldn't matter be pulled towards the North pole?
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Re: Gravity as a universal law
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2012, 12:59:14 AM »
Gravitation exists but it is not as strong as currently thought in modern science. In the beginning the aetheric winds forced loose matter from the big bang in a whirlwind like effect and gravitation more or less helped it together. Being propelled by the aether, the earth formed an even, flat disc over the wind and solidified. Why it did not form a bowl-like shape is attributed to the aetheric pressure being stronger near the north pole than the ice wall (however a this effect only went so far, causing the ice wall to be "bowl-like" in nature.

And do you know that how?

Have this model been calculated *cough* mathematically?
Are there any experiments to back up such claims?
Are there are empiric evidence ?
There is any proof what so ever that what you are saying isn't some made up fairy tale?

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Re: Gravity as a universal law
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2012, 02:22:47 AM »
As of 24/02/11 it has been announced by the International Science Grid that NASA has a mathematician Grigor Aslanyan, a doctoral student at the University of California at San Diego who is solving data that suggests the universe is a torus - see Grigor Aslanyan: Universal Torus.



Notice a double torus field can have a disc produced by the converging vortexes...It is synonymous with the disk of a galaxy and the fact that the cosmos at large appears to be spread out on a plater The Universe is perfectly flat

It is believed the Torus' dimensions could be of 3 variation.

a. Infinite in 1 dimension and finite in 2.
b. the vice of a
c. finite in all 3

these arrangements of a Torus' 3 dimensions correspond with 3 different cosmic codes of creation.
i.e.

1. Copernican (convex earth - see
Imploversial Physics section 2
Specifically: 2.3 The Macro-physical Dynamics of Gravity & Fractal Infinity
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2. Ancient/instinctual (flat earth see -Tetra Dimensional Torus (TDT) FE Model

3 Geocosm (concave earth - see the Concave Earth Hypothesis )
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Re: Gravity as a universal law
« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2012, 08:02:50 AM »


Most likely this will devolve into a discussion of gravity versus gravitation if you continue to call gravity a force.  Just use the word gravitation, because technically gravity is not a force.
Since when?
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Re: Gravity as a universal law
« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2012, 08:05:07 AM »
I am pretty sure the origin of the universe in the flat earth model is the biblical creationism account.

Flat earth seems to be a fable attempt to explain a literal interpretation of the bible.

I don't think anyone is making that assessment. There is no reason to assume that the flat earth did not form naturally.

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Re: Gravity as a universal law
« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2012, 08:23:33 AM »


Most likely this will devolve into a discussion of gravity versus gravitation if you continue to call gravity a force.  Just use the word gravitation, because technically gravity is not a force.
Since when?

Since relativity.  But as OrbisNonSufficit said it's probably best that we not let this thread degenerate into such an argument.
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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Re: Gravity as a universal law
« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2012, 09:12:29 AM »
To be fair, I do indeed presume to know how the flat Earth was formed. My model of the universe is one where the Big Bang caused a superplasmic mixture of helium and hydrogen, which I refer to as aether, which has near infinite fluidity (it is not affected by van der Waals forces). Now, this aether abhors vacuums far more than other states of matter and can travel forever without losing significant energy (unless it hits something), both due to the aforementioned fluidity. Thus, there is an aetheric wind which expands into the universe, filling the infinite vacuum. The Earth rides on this wind, and has been flattened by the force of it.

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Re: Gravity as a universal law
« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2012, 09:28:26 AM »
To be fair, I do indeed presume to know how the flat Earth was formed. My model of the universe is one where the Big Bang caused a superplasmic mixture of helium and hydrogen, which I refer to as aether, which has near infinite fluidity (it is not affected by van der Waals forces). Now, this aether abhors vacuums far more than other states of matter and can travel forever without losing significant energy (unless it hits something), both due to the aforementioned fluidity. Thus, there is an aetheric wind which expands into the universe, filling the infinite vacuum. The Earth rides on this wind, and has been flattened by the force of it.
That is simply gibberish. For example, superplasmic isn't even a word.
Keep it serious, Thork. You can troll, but don't be so open. We have standards

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Re: Gravity as a universal law
« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2012, 09:44:30 AM »
My model of the universe is...

...nonexistent.

You don't even know what stars are and haven't decided where they are in relation to Earth. How can you seriously claim to have a model of the universe?

Your explanation is not only woefully inadequate, it is entirely based upon making shit up.
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Re: Gravity as a universal law
« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2012, 09:44:56 AM »
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super-
pref.
1. Above; over; upon: superstructure.
2. Superior in size, quality, number, or degree: supersonic.
3. Exceeding a norm: supersaturate.
4. Excessive in degree or intensity: superexcitation.
5. Containing a specified ingredient in an unusually high proportion: superoxide.

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plas·ma  also plasm
n.
1.
             a. The clear, yellowish fluid portion of blood, lymph, or intramuscular fluid in which cells are suspended. It differs from serum in that it contains fibrin and other soluble clotting elements.
             b. Blood plasma.

2. Medicine Cell-free, sterilized blood plasma, used in transfusions.

3. Protoplasm or cytoplasm.

4. The fluid portion of milk from which the curd has been separated by coagulation; whey.

5. Physics An electrically neutral, highly ionized gas composed of ions, electrons, and neutral particles. It is a phase of matter distinct from solids, liquids, and normal gases.
[New Latin, from Late Latin, image, figure, from Greek, from plassein, to mold; see pel-2 in Indo-European roots.]
plas·matic (plz-mtk), plasmic (-mk) adj.

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Re: Gravity as a universal law
« Reply #21 on: January 15, 2012, 10:07:03 AM »
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super-
pref.
1. Above; over; upon: superstructure.
2. Superior in size, quality, number, or degree: supersonic.
3. Exceeding a norm: supersaturate.
4. Excessive in degree or intensity: superexcitation.
5. Containing a specified ingredient in an unusually high proportion: superoxide.

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plas·ma  also plasm
n.
1.
             a. The clear, yellowish fluid portion of blood, lymph, or intramuscular fluid in which cells are suspended. It differs from serum in that it contains fibrin and other soluble clotting elements.
             b. Blood plasma.

2. Medicine Cell-free, sterilized blood plasma, used in transfusions.

3. Protoplasm or cytoplasm.

4. The fluid portion of milk from which the curd has been separated by coagulation; whey.

5. Physics An electrically neutral, highly ionized gas composed of ions, electrons, and neutral particles. It is a phase of matter distinct from solids, liquids, and normal gases.
[New Latin, from Late Latin, image, figure, from Greek, from plassein, to mold; see pel-2 in Indo-European roots.]
plas·matic (plz-mtk), plasmic (-mk) adj.
Are you under some impression that the "super" prefix can be added to any word to make a new word?

That's really superdumb of you!
Keep it serious, Thork. You can troll, but don't be so open. We have standards

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Re: Gravity as a universal law
« Reply #22 on: January 15, 2012, 10:13:37 AM »
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super-
pref.
1. Above; over; upon: superstructure.
2. Superior in size, quality, number, or degree: supersonic.
3. Exceeding a norm: supersaturate.
4. Excessive in degree or intensity: superexcitation.
5. Containing a specified ingredient in an unusually high proportion: superoxide.

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plas·ma  also plasm
n.
1.
             a. The clear, yellowish fluid portion of blood, lymph, or intramuscular fluid in which cells are suspended. It differs from serum in that it contains fibrin and other soluble clotting elements.
             b. Blood plasma.

2. Medicine Cell-free, sterilized blood plasma, used in transfusions.

3. Protoplasm or cytoplasm.

4. The fluid portion of milk from which the curd has been separated by coagulation; whey.

5. Physics An electrically neutral, highly ionized gas composed of ions, electrons, and neutral particles. It is a phase of matter distinct from solids, liquids, and normal gases.
[New Latin, from Late Latin, image, figure, from Greek, from plassein, to mold; see pel-2 in Indo-European roots.]
plas·matic (plz-mtk), plasmic (-mk) adj.
Are you under some impression that the "super" prefix can be added to any word to make a new word?

That's really superdumb of you!

Yeah, like that. See?

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Re: Gravity as a universal law
« Reply #23 on: January 15, 2012, 10:15:16 AM »
Yeah, like that. See?
Nope. But thanks for trolling.
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Re: Gravity as a universal law
« Reply #24 on: January 15, 2012, 10:21:57 AM »
Yeah, like that. See?
Nope. But thanks for trolling.

Oh, you mean you were being serious? Oh dear.

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Re: Gravity as a universal law
« Reply #25 on: January 15, 2012, 11:15:29 AM »
Evidence for the big bang theory that supports a round earth

  • First of all, we are reasonably certain that the universe had a beginning.

    Second, galaxies appear to be moving away from us at speeds proportional to their distance. This is called "Hubble's Law," named after Edwin Hubble (1889-1953) who discovered this phenomenon in 1929. This observation supports the expansion of the universe and suggests that the universe was once compacted.

    Third, if the universe was initially very, very hot as the Big Bang suggests, we should be able to find some remnant of this heat. In 1965, Radioastronomers Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson discovered a 2.725 degree Kelvin (-454.765 degree Fahrenheit, -270.425 degree Celsius) Cosmic Microwave Background radiation (CMB) which pervades the observable universe. This is thought to be the remnant which scientists were looking for. Penzias and Wilson shared in the 1978 Nobel Prize for Physics for their discovery.

    Finally, the abundance of the "light elements" Hydrogen and Helium found in the observable universe are thought to support the Big Bang model of origins
Here some more info http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/astronomy/bigbang.html

What phenomena were observed in the universe that supports the flat earth model?
Were those observations peer reviewed by the scientific community?

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Re: Gravity as a universal law
« Reply #26 on: January 15, 2012, 11:56:39 AM »
To be fair, I do indeed presume to know how the flat Earth was formed. My model of the universe is one where the Big Bang caused a superplasmic mixture of helium and hydrogen, which I refer to as aether, which has near infinite fluidity (it is not affected by van der Waals forces). Now, this aether abhors vacuums far more than other states of matter and can travel forever without losing significant energy (unless it hits something), both due to the aforementioned fluidity. Thus, there is an aetheric wind which expands into the universe, filling the infinite vacuum. The Earth rides on this wind, and has been flattened by the force of it.

And here I was thinking that the universe is the result of a giant orange elephant sneezing into the arm of his sweater.

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Re: Gravity as a universal law
« Reply #27 on: January 15, 2012, 12:56:06 PM »
To be fair, I do indeed presume to know how the flat Earth was formed. My model of the universe is one where the Big Bang caused a superplasmic mixture of helium and hydrogen, which I refer to as aether, which has near infinite fluidity (it is not affected by van der Waals forces). Now, this aether abhors vacuums far more than other states of matter and can travel forever without losing significant energy (unless it hits something), both due to the aforementioned fluidity. Thus, there is an aetheric wind which expands into the universe, filling the infinite vacuum. The Earth rides on this wind, and has been flattened by the force of it.

And here I was thinking that the universe is the result of a giant orange elephant sneezing into the arm of his sweater.
you are right... tho I doubt you realise it
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Re: Gravity as a universal law
« Reply #28 on: January 15, 2012, 03:01:32 PM »

Most likely this will devolve into a discussion of gravity versus gravitation if you continue to call gravity a force.  Just use the word gravitation, because technically gravity is not a force.

Yeah, the semantics police love this one.
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Re: Gravity as a universal law
« Reply #29 on: January 15, 2012, 07:49:04 PM »
To be fair, I do indeed presume to know how the flat Earth was formed. My model of the universe is one where the Big Bang caused a superplasmic mixture of helium and hydrogen, which I refer to as aether, which has near infinite fluidity (it is not affected by van der Waals forces). Now, this aether abhors vacuums far more than other states of matter and can travel forever without losing significant energy (unless it hits something), both due to the aforementioned fluidity. Thus, there is an aetheric wind which expands into the universe, filling the infinite vacuum. The Earth rides on this wind, and has been flattened by the force of it.
That is simply gibberish. For example, superplasmic isn't even a word.

It's a state of matter above plasma. What would you prefer me to call it? Would 'supraplasmic' be better for you? Also, strawman. Do you have any other examples?
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