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Quote from: Part of the Problem on February 25, 2011, 02:48:51 PM

Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 25, 2011, 02:42:04 PM

Quote from: Part of the Problem on February 25, 2011, 02:25:15 PM

Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 25, 2011, 02:02:35 PM

# NASA sends Neil and Buzz around to give foreign heads of states questionable moon rocks
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32581790/ns/technology_and_science-science/

You've already been called out on this lie.  Your deliberate dishonesty in the upper forums is despicable.
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=45854.msg1137813#msg1137813

It's not a lie. The moon rock they gave to the prime minister was fake. See the MSNBC article.

See the linked thread.  It is a lie to say that "NASA sends Neil and Buzz around to give foreign heads of states questionable moon rocks."  You know it is a lie and hope that no one will read the actual article.  Again, your deliberate dishonesty gives FE a bad name.

Who gives a crap if it was NASA who gave it to the US Ambassador who gave it to the Prime Minister? Neil and Buzz were the ones who collected it from the moon (allegedly) and gave it to NASA, therefore it was a gift from all of them.

The point is that they gave a fake moon rock to the Prime Minister.

i gave fake moon rock to my girlfriend so that proves we didnt go to moon?

Tom, I read all of those links, and they are all flawed in some way shape or form. The only one that even remotely stirred my interest was your video of the "fake sun". Can you take a photo of the sun and do the same test and see what results you get? I would be interested in the results.

# Thomas Baron Silenced for Attempting to Expose the Truth
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Thomas+Baron+Silenced+for+Attempting+to+Expose+the+Truth

Quote from: Gordonrox24 on February 25, 2011, 02:50:44 PM

Tom, I read all of those links, and they are all flawed in some way shape or form. The only one that even remotely stirred my interest was your video of the "fake sun". Can you take a photo of the sun and do the same test and see what results you get? I would be interested in the results.

See Mythbusters.  I give them credit way over anything that has been done here.

Also

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# Thomas Baron Silenced for Attempting to Expose the Truth
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Thomas+Baron+Silenced+for+Attempting+to+Expose+the+Truth

Was also shot down in this forum.

Berny
Conspiracy Theories are for wimps

I did RTFA, did you?

Quote from: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32581790/ns/technology_and_science-science/

The museum had vetted the moon rock with a phone call to NASA, Van Gelder said.

She said the space agency told the museum then that it was possible the Netherlands had received a rock: NASA gave moon rocks to more than 100 countries in the early 1970s, but those were from later missions.

The museum acquired the rock after the death of former Prime Minister Willem Drees in 1988. Drees received it as a private gift on Oct. 9, 1969, from then-U.S. ambassador J. William Middendorf during a visit by the three Apollo 11 astronauts, part of their "Giant Leap" goodwill tour after the first moon landing.

Middendorf, who lives in Rhode Island, told Dutch broadcaster NOS news that he had gotten it from the U.S. State Department

I have a simple question that leads elsewhere.

Has NASA every been to space?

The article also says that the Ex-US Ambassador William Middendorf went on camera and said where he had gotten it from.

See the bolded part below:

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The museum acquired the rock after the death of former Prime Minister Willem Drees in 1988. Drees received it as a private gift on Oct. 9, 1969, from then-U.S. ambassador J. William Middendorf during a visit by the three Apollo 11 astronauts, part of their "Giant Leap" goodwill tour after the first moon landing.

Middendorf, who lives in Rhode Island, told Dutch broadcaster NOS news that he had gotten it from the U.S. State Department

The article also says that the Ex-US Ambassador William Middendorf went on camera and said where he had gotten it from.

See the bolded part below:

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The museum acquired the rock after the death of former Prime Minister Willem Drees in 1988. Drees received it as a private gift on Oct. 9, 1969, from then-U.S. ambassador J. William Middendorf during a visit by the three Apollo 11 astronauts, part of their "Giant Leap" goodwill tour after the first moon landing.

Middendorf, who lives in Rhode Island, told Dutch broadcaster NOS news that he had gotten it from the U.S. State Department

Let's not make this more complicated than it really is. The U.S. government gave away fake moon rocks. NASA is the only U.S. agency that goes to the"moon".  Therefore NASA gave away fake moon rocks.

Let's not make this more complicated than it really is. The U.S. government gave away fake moon rocks. NASA is the only U.S. agency that goes to the"moon".  Therefore NASA gave away fake moon rocks.

Quote from: hoppy on February 26, 2011, 08:23:44 AM

Let's not make this more complicated than it really is. The U.S. government gave away fake moon rocks. NASA is the only U.S. agency that goes to the"moon".  Therefore NASA gave away fake moon rocks.

Except it was never firmly established that the rock in question was ever presented as a moon rock.

Quote from: markjo on February 26, 2011, 08:39:39 AM

Quote from: hoppy on February 26, 2011, 08:23:44 AM

Let's not make this more complicated than it really is. The U.S. government gave away fake moon rocks. NASA is the only U.S. agency that goes to the"moon".  Therefore NASA gave away fake moon rocks.

Except it was never firmly established that the rock in question was ever presented as a moon rock.

  Right ,I got you. The ambassador, astronauts or whoever, went there to present regular rocks they found in their backyard. Yeah that makes alot of sense.

Quote from: hoppy on February 26, 2011, 10:52:03 AM

Right ,I got you. The ambassador, astronauts or whoever, went there to present regular rocks they found in their backyard. Yeah that makes alot of sense.

The rock in question was presented about 3 months after the Apollo 11 mission.  It's very unlikely that NASA would have given away any moon rock samples so soon after they were collected.

Except it was never firmly established that the rock in question was ever presented as a moon rock.

They could be meteorites?

I don't see anything about the origin of the rock on there.

Like hoppy said above, it doesn't make any sense that they would present a rock they found in their back yard or on the side of the road to the Prime Minister to commemorate the visit of the Apollo 11 astronauts. The rock was clearly presented as a rock from the moon.

Quote from: General Disarray on February 26, 2011, 01:07:41 PM

I don't see anything about the origin of the rock on there.

Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 26, 2011, 12:39:57 PM

Like hoppy said above, it doesn't make any sense that they would present a rock they found in their back yard or on the side of the road to the Prime Minister to commemorate the visit of the Apollo 11 astronauts. The rock was clearly presented as a rock from the moon.

How do we know that was the original 'thing' that went with that note?

It could have been anything.

It also doesn't make sense that they used a lump of wood instead of a lump of rock from the earth.

It's a lot more convincing.

Unless you can provide documentation as to the actual origin of the rock in question, all anyone can do is speculate and speculation is not for proper Zetetics.

Petrified wood may feel as hard as a a rock, but it is not a rock. Shame on NASA for being so careless with their hoaxery.

Petrified wood (from the Greek root petro meaning "rock" or "stone"; literally "wood turned into stone") is the name given to a special type of fossilized remains of terrestrial vegetation. It is the result of a tree having turned completely into stone by the process of permineralization.

Quote from: markjo on February 26, 2011, 01:43:44 PM

Unless you can provide documentation as to the actual origin of the rock in question, all anyone can do is speculate and speculation is not for proper Zetetics.

The man who gave it to the Prime Minister, Ex-US Ambassador William Middendorf, is still alive. He didn't mention that "oh, it's not a moon rock" to Dutch Broadcaster NOS News when questioned on it. If he had it would have been put into the article.

Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 26, 2011, 03:47:28 PM

Petrified wood may feel as hard as a a rock, but it is not a rock. Shame on NASA for being so careless with their hoaxery.

Actually Tom, petrified wood is rock.  That's what petrified means.

Quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrified_wood

Petrified wood (from the Greek root petro meaning "rock" or "stone"; literally "wood turned into stone") is the name given to a special type of fossilized remains of terrestrial vegetation. It is the result of a tree having turned completely into stone by the process of permineralization.

Did Mr. Middendorf confirm that it was indeed a moon rock that he presented?  Did he even confirm that the rock in question is the one that he presented?  Again Tom, it's not Zetetic to make assumptions.

J. William Middendorf, the former American ambassador to the Netherlands, made the presentation to Mr Drees and the rock was then donated to the Rijksmuseum after his death in 1988.

"I do remember that Drees was very interested in the little piece of stone. But that it's not real, I don't know anything about that," Mr Middendorf said.

The former ambassador said the rock must have come either from the State Department or directly from the astronauts. "If it came from the astronauts I would have thought it would be perfectly OK," he added.