The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.

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Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
« Reply #90 on: February 21, 2017, 12:20:13 AM »
Meanwhile, I can give plenty of videos on youtube ...
How about a ship that is visibly 'sunken' beyond the horizon that is restored to full height with increased magnification.  We all keep hearing about this, but have yet to see it.
That and as it is being restored with a variable zoom camera we should also see the amount that is hidden change.

Instead all we get are videos where boat is below the resolution of the camera while zoomed out (but not actually over the horizon and is still visible to the eye) that they then zoom in on.

Gee, is your ship falling off the edge of the horizon?

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Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
« Reply #91 on: February 21, 2017, 12:25:39 AM »
Meanwhile, I can give plenty of videos on youtube ...
How about a ship that is visibly 'sunken' beyond the horizon that is restored to full height with increased magnification.  We all keep hearing about this, but have yet to see it.
That and as it is being restored with a variable zoom camera we should also see the amount that is hidden change.

Instead all we get are videos where boat is below the resolution of the camera while zoomed out (but not actually over the horizon and is still visible to the eye) that they then zoom in on.

Gee, is your ship moving over the horizon?

fixed that for ya
"hey what are you doing?"
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Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
« Reply #92 on: February 21, 2017, 12:42:11 AM »
Meanwhile, I can give plenty of videos on youtube ...
How about a ship that is visibly 'sunken' beyond the horizon that is restored to full height with increased magnification.  We all keep hearing about this, but have yet to see it.

Yeah, changing what other people say is about all ya got, isn't it?
That and as it is being restored with a variable zoom camera we should also see the amount that is hidden change.

Instead all we get are videos where boat is below the resolution of the camera while zoomed out (but not actually over the horizon and is still visible to the eye) that they then zoom in on.

Gee, is your ship moving over the horizon?

fixed that for ya

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Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
« Reply #93 on: February 21, 2017, 12:54:22 AM »
"If you think it does I would love to hear your explanation for why we can see a star billions of light years away which surely is beyond the vanishing point yes?"

Yeah, I brought up the same point in my "conclusive proof" thread. All I heard was a bunch of:



That was because you were the one needing to answer it, not us.
You are the one that needs to explain why we can see so far away, yet not so close on Earth, as if Earth is flat, we should be able to.

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Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
« Reply #94 on: February 21, 2017, 05:09:15 AM »
Meanwhile, I can give plenty of videos on youtube ...
How about a ship that is visibly 'sunken' beyond the horizon that is restored to full height with increased magnification.  We all keep hearing about this, but have yet to see it.
That and as it is being restored with a variable zoom camera we should also see the amount that is hidden change.

Instead all we get are videos where boat is below the resolution of the camera while zoomed out (but not actually over the horizon and is still visible to the eye) that they then zoom in on.

Gee, is your ship falling off the edge of the horizon?
Thank you for proving you are unable to read and comprehend.

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Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
« Reply #95 on: February 21, 2017, 06:48:43 PM »
Meanwhile, I can give plenty of videos on youtube ...
How about a ship that is visibly 'sunken' beyond the horizon that is restored to full height with increased magnification.  We all keep hearing about this, but have yet to see it.
That and as it is being restored with a variable zoom camera we should also see the amount that is hidden change.

Instead all we get are videos where boat is below the resolution of the camera while zoomed out (but not actually over the horizon and is still visible to the eye) that they then zoom in on.

Gee, is your ship falling off the edge of the horizon?
No, it's going over the horizon.  Someone on that ship would, in turn, see my location disappearing from the bottom up behind the horizon.  Is a ball really that complicated?

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Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
« Reply #96 on: February 22, 2017, 02:01:12 AM »
Meanwhile, I can give plenty of videos on youtube ...
How about a ship that is visibly 'sunken' beyond the horizon that is restored to full height with increased magnification.  We all keep hearing about this, but have yet to see it.
That and as it is being restored with a variable zoom camera we should also see the amount that is hidden change.

Instead all we get are videos where boat is below the resolution of the camera while zoomed out (but not actually over the horizon and is still visible to the eye) that they then zoom in on.

Gee, is your ship falling off the edge of the horizon?
No, it's going over the horizon.  Someone on that ship would, in turn, see my location disappearing from the bottom up behind the horizon.  Is a ball really that complicated?

if you spent years of your life convinced the government is lying to everyone and researching the "real" state of the world, thus convincing yourself that you are one of the few free thinkers in a world full of sheeple. would you give up that mental superiority because you were proven wrong by a dude on the internet?
"hey what are you doing?"
"nothing, just arguing with this dude, he thinks the earth is flat"
"no really, what are you doing?"

Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
« Reply #97 on: February 22, 2017, 04:27:07 AM »
Meanwhile, I can give plenty of videos on youtube ...
How about a ship that is visibly 'sunken' beyond the horizon that is restored to full height with increased magnification.  We all keep hearing about this, but have yet to see it.
That and as it is being restored with a variable zoom camera we should also see the amount that is hidden change.

Instead all we get are videos where boat is below the resolution of the camera while zoomed out (but not actually over the horizon and is still visible to the eye) that they then zoom in on.

Gee, is your ship falling off the edge of the horizon?
No, it's going over the horizon.  Someone on that ship would, in turn, see my location disappearing from the bottom up behind the horizon.  Is a ball really that complicated?

Can a ship go over a horizontal flat horizon? Horizons are ALWAYS horizontal and flat. Water is ALWAYS levels across the surface once it fills a void. There are other better explanations as to why we loose sight of ships on the ocean, Watch a train on a level straight track disappear from your sight for the clues!

"Is a ball really that complicated?"

It requires a lot more complicated excuses, that's for sure! We can go out in nature and actually experience a motionless flat earth, it doesn't need assumptions. Occam's Razor states a reality needs, "no more assumptions than are necessary." A spinning speeding spherical earth needs a whole train load of assumptions for its support. A motionless flat earth needs zero assumptions, we can actually experience it!





Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
« Reply #98 on: February 22, 2017, 04:38:42 AM »
Meanwhile, I can give plenty of videos on youtube ...
How about a ship that is visibly 'sunken' beyond the horizon that is restored to full height with increased magnification.  We all keep hearing about this, but have yet to see it.
That and as it is being restored with a variable zoom camera we should also see the amount that is hidden change.

Instead all we get are videos where boat is below the resolution of the camera while zoomed out (but not actually over the horizon and is still visible to the eye) that they then zoom in on.

Gee, is your ship falling off the edge of the horizon?
No, it's going over the horizon.  Someone on that ship would, in turn, see my location disappearing from the bottom up behind the horizon.  Is a ball really that complicated?

if you spent years of your life convinced the government is lying to everyone and researching the "real" state of the world, thus convincing yourself that you are one of the few free thinkers in a world full of sheeple. would you give up that mental superiority because you were proven wrong by a dude on the internet?

Wow, this blind fool thinks the governments do not lie!

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Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
« Reply #99 on: February 22, 2017, 08:19:42 AM »
Meanwhile, I can give plenty of videos on youtube ...
How about a ship that is visibly 'sunken' beyond the horizon that is restored to full height with increased magnification.  We all keep hearing about this, but have yet to see it.
That and as it is being restored with a variable zoom camera we should also see the amount that is hidden change.

Instead all we get are videos where boat is below the resolution of the camera while zoomed out (but not actually over the horizon and is still visible to the eye) that they then zoom in on.

Gee, is your ship falling off the edge of the horizon?
No, it's going over the horizon.  Someone on that ship would, in turn, see my location disappearing from the bottom up behind the horizon.  Is a ball really that complicated?

if you spent years of your life convinced the government is lying to everyone and researching the "real" state of the world, thus convincing yourself that you are one of the few free thinkers in a world full of sheeple. would you give up that mental superiority because you were proven wrong by a dude on the internet?

Wow, this blind fool thinks the governments do not lie!

don't put words in my mouth.

Meanwhile, I can give plenty of videos on youtube ...
How about a ship that is visibly 'sunken' beyond the horizon that is restored to full height with increased magnification.  We all keep hearing about this, but have yet to see it.
That and as it is being restored with a variable zoom camera we should also see the amount that is hidden change.

Instead all we get are videos where boat is below the resolution of the camera while zoomed out (but not actually over the horizon and is still visible to the eye) that they then zoom in on.

Gee, is your ship falling off the edge of the horizon?
No, it's going over the horizon.  Someone on that ship would, in turn, see my location disappearing from the bottom up behind the horizon.  Is a ball really that complicated?

Can a ship go over a horizontal flat horizon? Horizons are ALWAYS horizontal and flat. Water is ALWAYS levels across the surface once it fills a void. There are other better explanations as to why we loose sight of ships on the ocean, Watch a train on a level straight track disappear from your sight for the clues!

"Is a ball really that complicated?"

It requires a lot more complicated excuses, that's for sure! We can go out in nature and actually experience a motionless flat earth, it doesn't need assumptions. Occam's Razor states a reality needs, "no more assumptions than are necessary." A spinning speeding spherical earth needs a whole train load of assumptions for its support. A motionless flat earth needs zero assumptions, we can actually experience it!





thats not true. water in free fall makes a tear drop shape, water in planes that dive to simulate 0g forms a perfect sphere due to surface tension. there is no law of physics that requires water to fill a space and create a flat surface. gravity holding water to the face of the earth is a model that works. there aren't any holes in that explanation, however water sitting on a FE works as well. there are many many aspects of FET that don't work within the real world, but the oceans aren't one of them.
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Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
« Reply #100 on: February 22, 2017, 12:25:43 PM »
Can a ship go over a horizontal flat horizon? Horizons are ALWAYS horizontal and flat. Water is ALWAYS levels across the surface once it fills a void. There are other better explanations as to why we loose sight of ships on the ocean, Watch a train on a level straight track disappear from your sight for the clues!
Nope.
Has anyone ever conclusively demonstrated a horizon to be flat, or a surface of water to be flat? No.
Instead, as I explained before, all they can ever do is show it is flat within error.
You even went down that path yourself once when I demonstrated that the picture you provided did show a curve. Rather than accept the curve, you claimed it was an error due to waves.

Unfortuantely for you, all these pictures of the allegedly flat horizon, while matching a flat horizon within error, also match the expected curve. However there are plenty of pictures of horizons which show a round horizon, which do not match a flat horizon, not even within error.

Horizons, when purely based upon water, are always "horizontal", i.e. they follow the curve of Earth.
Water is always "level", i.e. it is at the same energetic potential.

The best explanation for why things disappear over the horizon (and the only one I have heard of which matches reality) is that they are disappearing behind the curve of Earth.

Perspective cannot explain it at all.
If Perspective caused it, the horizon would be at eye level, not below it, regardless of altitude, and objects would shrink to a point rather than disappear from the bottom up.


"Is a ball really that complicated?"

It requires a lot more complicated excuses, that's for sure! We can go out in nature and actually experience a motionless flat earth, it doesn't need assumptions. Occam's Razor states a reality needs, "no more assumptions than are necessary." A spinning speeding spherical earth needs a whole train load of assumptions for its support. A motionless flat earth needs zero assumptions, we can actually experience it!
No. It requires no excuses.
It is a stationary flat Earth that requires a multitude of excuses.
You cannot experience a motionless flat Earth.
There is nothing which allows you to distinguish between a motionless or moving Earth, or a flat or round Earth which indicates Earth is motionless and flat. But there is plenty which shows Earth to be round and moving.

Your flat Earth nonsense requires so many assumptions it isn't funny.


How about you start listing some of these assumptions required for a round Earth and explain why you think it needs it?
Or how about you provide actual evidence that Earth is motionless, explaining how it is capable of differentiating between a stationary Earth and a moving Earth (and no appealing to this wind BS unless you can tell us what is causing it, and remembering that that would be something external to Earth)?
Or how about you just go back and answer all the questions people have already asked rather than repeating the same refuted bullshit again and again?


Edit:
My bad, this isn't the thread for all that.
In this thread, just explain exactly how the ship disappears from the bottom up in your flat Earth model.

Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
« Reply #101 on: February 23, 2017, 05:11:28 AM »
Can a ship go over a horizontal flat horizon? Horizons are ALWAYS horizontal and flat. Water is ALWAYS levels across the surface once it fills a void. There are other better explanations as to why we loose sight of ships on the ocean, Watch a train on a level straight track disappear from your sight for the clues!
Nope.
Has anyone ever conclusively demonstrated a horizon to be flat, or a surface of water to be flat? No.
Instead, as I explained before, all they can ever do is show it is flat within error.
You even went down that path yourself once when I demonstrated that the picture you provided did show a curve. Rather than accept the curve, you claimed it was an error due to waves.

Unfortuantely for you, all these pictures of the allegedly flat horizon, while matching a flat horizon within error, also match the expected curve. However there are plenty of pictures of horizons which show a round horizon, which do not match a flat horizon, not even within error.

Horizons, when purely based upon water, are always "horizontal", i.e. they follow the curve of Earth.
Water is always "level", i.e. it is at the same energetic potential.

The best explanation for why things disappear over the horizon (and the only one I have heard of which matches reality) is that they are disappearing behind the curve of Earth.

Perspective cannot explain it at all.
If Perspective caused it, the horizon would be at eye level, not below it, regardless of altitude, and objects would shrink to a point rather than disappear from the bottom up.


"Is a ball really that complicated?"

It requires a lot more complicated excuses, that's for sure! We can go out in nature and actually experience a motionless flat earth, it doesn't need assumptions. Occam's Razor states a reality needs, "no more assumptions than are necessary." A spinning speeding spherical earth needs a whole train load of assumptions for its support. A motionless flat earth needs zero assumptions, we can actually experience it!
No. It requires no excuses.
It is a stationary flat Earth that requires a multitude of excuses.
You cannot experience a motionless flat Earth.
There is nothing which allows you to distinguish between a motionless or moving Earth, or a flat or round Earth which indicates Earth is motionless and flat. But there is plenty which shows Earth to be round and moving.

Your flat Earth nonsense requires so many assumptions it isn't funny.


How about you start listing some of these assumptions required for a round Earth and explain why you think it needs it?
Or how about you provide actual evidence that Earth is motionless, explaining how it is capable of differentiating between a stationary Earth and a moving Earth (and no appealing to this wind BS unless you can tell us what is causing it, and remembering that that would be something external to Earth)?
Or how about you just go back and answer all the questions people have already asked rather than repeating the same refuted bullshit again and again?


Edit:
My bad, this isn't the thread for all that.
In this thread, just explain exactly how the ship disappears from the bottom up in your flat Earth model.

"It is a stationary flat Earth that requires a multitude of excuses."

I don't need an excuse as to why the ground feels motionless, spherical earth does. I don't need an excuse as to why water always levels off across its surface once it fills a void, spherical earth does. I don't need an excuse as to why we do not feel like we are speeding at millions of MPH, spherical earth does! I don't need an excuse as to how ships at sea disappear from view, spherical earth does. Where it really counts, earth's physical state, earth's physical condition, I need no excuses at all, it is spherical earth that is inventing all the excuses!

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Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
« Reply #102 on: February 23, 2017, 08:21:25 AM »
Can a ship go over a horizontal flat horizon? Horizons are ALWAYS horizontal and flat. Water is ALWAYS levels across the surface once it fills a void. There are other better explanations as to why we loose sight of ships on the ocean, Watch a train on a level straight track disappear from your sight for the clues!
Nope.
Has anyone ever conclusively demonstrated a horizon to be flat, or a surface of water to be flat? No.
Instead, as I explained before, all they can ever do is show it is flat within error.
You even went down that path yourself once when I demonstrated that the picture you provided did show a curve. Rather than accept the curve, you claimed it was an error due to waves.

Unfortuantely for you, all these pictures of the allegedly flat horizon, while matching a flat horizon within error, also match the expected curve. However there are plenty of pictures of horizons which show a round horizon, which do not match a flat horizon, not even within error.

Horizons, when purely based upon water, are always "horizontal", i.e. they follow the curve of Earth.
Water is always "level", i.e. it is at the same energetic potential.

The best explanation for why things disappear over the horizon (and the only one I have heard of which matches reality) is that they are disappearing behind the curve of Earth.

Perspective cannot explain it at all.
If Perspective caused it, the horizon would be at eye level, not below it, regardless of altitude, and objects would shrink to a point rather than disappear from the bottom up.


"Is a ball really that complicated?"

It requires a lot more complicated excuses, that's for sure! We can go out in nature and actually experience a motionless flat earth, it doesn't need assumptions. Occam's Razor states a reality needs, "no more assumptions than are necessary." A spinning speeding spherical earth needs a whole train load of assumptions for its support. A motionless flat earth needs zero assumptions, we can actually experience it!
No. It requires no excuses.
It is a stationary flat Earth that requires a multitude of excuses.
You cannot experience a motionless flat Earth.
There is nothing which allows you to distinguish between a motionless or moving Earth, or a flat or round Earth which indicates Earth is motionless and flat. But there is plenty which shows Earth to be round and moving.

Your flat Earth nonsense requires so many assumptions it isn't funny.


How about you start listing some of these assumptions required for a round Earth and explain why you think it needs it?
Or how about you provide actual evidence that Earth is motionless, explaining how it is capable of differentiating between a stationary Earth and a moving Earth (and no appealing to this wind BS unless you can tell us what is causing it, and remembering that that would be something external to Earth)?
Or how about you just go back and answer all the questions people have already asked rather than repeating the same refuted bullshit again and again?


Edit:
My bad, this isn't the thread for all that.
In this thread, just explain exactly how the ship disappears from the bottom up in your flat Earth model.

"It is a stationary flat Earth that requires a multitude of excuses."

I don't need an excuse as to why the ground feels motionless, spherical earth does. I don't need an excuse as to why water always levels off across its surface once it fills a void, spherical earth does. I don't need an excuse as to why we do not feel like we are speeding at millions of MPH, spherical earth does! I don't need an excuse as to how ships at sea disappear from view, spherical earth does. Where it really counts, earth's physical state, earth's physical condition, I need no excuses at all, it is spherical earth that is inventing all the excuses!
Ok so why does a ship disappear from the bottom up?  What does light from sunrise hit the top of a mountain first, or the underside of clouds?

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Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
« Reply #103 on: February 23, 2017, 12:48:53 PM »
"It is a stationary flat Earth that requires a multitude of excuses."

I don't need an excuse as to why the ground feels motionless, spherical earth does. I don't need an excuse as to why water always levels off across its surface once it fills a void, spherical earth does. I don't need an excuse as to why we do not feel like we are speeding at millions of MPH, spherical earth does! I don't need an excuse as to how ships at sea disappear from view, spherical earth does. Where it really counts, earth's physical state, earth's physical condition, I need no excuses at all, it is spherical earth that is inventing all the excuses!
This has been explained to you so many times it isn't funny.
Are you really too stupid to understand or do you just wish to keep on lying?

Neither Earth needs an excuse as to why the ground feels motionless and feels like it is moving at 99% of the speed of light. That is because the 2 are indistinguishable from one another. (and your millions of MPH was shown to be bullshit).

Neither Earth needs an excuse for why water behaves the way it does.
Again, your simple observations cannot distinguish between the 2 options. The error is too great.

However, you do need an excuse for all the photos showing a curved horizon or water surface.

Yes, you do need an excuse for how ships disappear at sea, a spherical Earth doesn't.
For a spherical Earth, it disappears, from the bottom up, as it goes over/past the horizon. As it does so, Earth gets in the way of viewing the ship, starting at the bottom and working its way up.

Flat Earth has no explanation for this.
All they can do is lie and make up shit about perspective and the like.
All perspective does is make an object shrink. It doesn't make it disappear from the bottom up.

So no, a round Earth doesn't need excuses. A flat Earth does.

And that is just the beginning.
A round Earth needs no excuses for the apparent motion of the stars (including the sun) and the planets.
A flat Earth does as there is no explanation for their apparent position, them disappearing (or not being observable), and their motion which acts differently in the north and south.
The same is true for other effects, like how sundials, especially equatorial sundials work (although that is mainly based upon the position of the sun so you could consider that as the same thing).
And then you have large scale weather patterns, Foucault's pendulum, gyroscopes.
Then you have distances not adding up on a flat Earth

A Flat Earth needs so many excuses it isn't funny.
The only "excuses" a round Earth needs is that Earth is round, rotating about its axis and orbiting the sun.
No other excuses are necessary.

You have been asked for explanations for several of these things and are yet to provide them.
You have also been asked repeatedly for evidence of your claims, and are yet to provide any.

As this thread is on ships disappearing behind the horizon, how about you start with that?
Explain, in detail, how it works on a flat Earth, no excuses.

I can do the same for a round Earth if you like.

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Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
« Reply #104 on: February 23, 2017, 07:14:28 PM »


Can a ship go over a horizontal flat horizon?
No.  It's level, but not flat.

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Horizons are ALWAYS horizontal and flat.
Not flat.

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Water is ALWAYS levels across the surface once it fills a void.
Yes.  And?

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There are other better explanations as to why we loose sight of ships on the ocean, Watch a train on a level straight track disappear from your sight for the clues!
So a level stretch of track that maintains a constant elevation, just like a body of relativly calm water on a globe.  What are the other better explanations?

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"Is a ball really that complicated?"

It requires a lot more complicated excuses, that's for sure!
No, not really. 

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We can go out in nature and actually experience a motionless flat earth, it doesn't need assumptions.
No, not really.

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Occam's Razor states a reality needs, "no more assumptions than are necessary." A spinning speeding spherical earth needs a whole train load of assumptions for its support.
Such as?

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A motionless flat earth needs zero assumptions, we can actually experience it!
No, and it requires several assumptions.  For example, on a flat Earth, why doesn't the moon get smaller toward rise and set, and how does everyone see the same face of it?

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Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
« Reply #105 on: February 24, 2017, 07:10:51 AM »
Occam's Razor states a reality needs, "no more assumptions than are necessary."
No, it does not.  Not even vaguely close.

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In science, Occam's razor is used as a heuristic technique (discovery tool) to guide scientists in the development of theoretical models, rather than as an arbiter between published models.[1][2] In the scientific method, Occam's razor is not considered an irrefutable principle of logic or a scientific result; the preference for simplicity in the scientific method is based on the falsifiability criterion. For each accepted explanation of a phenomenon, there may be an extremely large, perhaps even incomprehensible, number of possible and more complex alternatives, because one can always burden failing explanations with ad hoc hypotheses to prevent them from being falsified; therefore, simpler theories are preferable to more complex ones because they are more testable.[3][4][5]
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Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
« Reply #106 on: April 29, 2017, 12:43:23 AM »
I riddle you this FE'ers. How can a ship dip below the horizon if the earth is flat?

I have personally seen a ship go over the horizon with a telescope. It is quite fascinating to see the ship gradually sink lower and lower on the horizon till it disappears.

This is of course only one of the many holes in your theory, but I would still like to see what the believers in here have to say about it. Please to not direct me to your obscure and false FAQ or some other thread. Prove me wrong, or fail trying. 8)

Hey friend, I am with your point, but this reason can not be satisfying that earth is round or flat
because
even if there is no longer distance and the ground remaining flat the things still seem to converge to ground.
image 1

havent you seen this
type of illusion, it is everywhere around you.

it is
just a matter
of perspective


The ship sailing does not proves round earth, and also the bending towards the ground of the non distant objects proves flat earthers' point of them that we are given wrong and incomplete knowledge of the world by our schools.
Little Knowlegde is dangerous!
Please do not become angry with my point rather try to understand it, it's a request, whether you agree or not reply it in a cooler and understanding manner rather than being agressive and challenging against flat earther.
I am not with both round and flat, I am with truth.

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Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
« Reply #107 on: April 29, 2017, 02:28:23 AM »
Hey friend, I am with your point, but this reason can not be satisfying that earth is round or flat
because
even if there is no longer distance and the ground remaining flat the things still seem to converge to ground.
Yes, converge to the ground, where they shrink as they get further away (and not necessarily the ground, just whatever they are near).
But that doesn't mean they disappear from the bottom up.


havent you seen this
type of illusion, it is everywhere around you.
Yes, because Earth is round, and results in the bottom of objects disappearing before the tops.

If it was a matter of perspective, the objects would appear to shrink until you couldn't see them anymore, not disappear over the horizon.

The image you provided is quite dishonest in its representation, fixing the line of sight to parallel to the ground. It isn't always.

The ship sailing does not proves round earth
It disappearing over the horizon does.

the bending towards the ground of the non distant objects
Care to give an example of this?

proves flat earthers' point of them that we are given wrong and incomplete knowledge of the world by our schools.
No, the baseless claims of FEers are not proof of anything except their desperation.

Little Knowlegde is dangerous!
And that is exactly what the FEers have, a little bit of knowledge, and that is what they hope their prey has.
That way, they can use made up crap to pretend things, like pretending perspective makes things disappear from the bottom up.

Please do not become angry with my point rather try to understand it
Then explain how perspective makes objects disappear from the bottom up.

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Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
« Reply #108 on: April 29, 2017, 04:47:35 AM »
The Sun at 3,000 miles up (supposedly) would never set if the Earth were flat. Perspective would never get it below an angle of 20 degrees.
"Science is real."
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Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
« Reply #109 on: April 29, 2017, 09:38:28 AM »
I don't need an excuse as to why the ground feels motionless, spherical earth does. I don't need an excuse as to why water always levels off across its surface once it fills a void, spherical earth does. I don't need an excuse as to why we do not feel like we are speeding at millions of MPH, spherical earth does! I don't need an excuse as to how ships at sea disappear from view, spherical earth does. Where it really counts, earth's physical state, earth's physical condition, I need no excuses at all, it is spherical earth that is inventing all the excuses!
If you were to ask someone how an internal-combustion engine works, and they explain it to you, would you consider that an 'excuse' also?

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Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
« Reply #110 on: April 29, 2017, 02:40:59 PM »
I don't need an excuse as to why the ground feels motionless, spherical earth does. I don't need an excuse as to why water always levels off across its surface once it fills a void, spherical earth does. I don't need an excuse as to why we do not feel like we are speeding at millions of MPH, spherical earth does! I don't need an excuse as to how ships at sea disappear from view, spherical earth does. Where it really counts, earth's physical state, earth's physical condition, I need no excuses at all, it is spherical earth that is inventing all the excuses!
If you were to ask someone how an internal-combustion engine works, and they explain it to you, would you consider that an 'excuse' also?

Of course.
All that crap about fuel air mixtures, pistons, sparks for ignition, crank shafts and so on are all obviously pathetic excuses.
They clearly work by a bunch of tiny horses on tiny hamster wheels. Why do you think they classify them by horsepower? It's the number of tiny horses they have.

Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
« Reply #111 on: April 29, 2017, 08:22:45 PM »
I riddle you this FE'ers. How can a ship dip below the horizon if the earth is flat?

I have personally seen a ship go over the horizon with a telescope. It is quite fascinating to see the ship gradually sink lower and lower on the horizon till it disappears.

This is of course only one of the many holes in your theory, but I would still like to see what the believers in here have to say about it. Please to not direct me to your obscure and false FAQ or some other thread. Prove me wrong, or fail trying. 8)

Meanwhile, I can give plenty of videos on youtube that we all can watch that disproves your "false News" claim. Funny, why didn't you record your event for all to see? "False news", "false news", "false news"!

Here are a few of those videos:







Now, lets see your video where a ship dips over the alleged curvature of the ocean. Just keep in mind bunky, water becomes horizontally flat once it fills a void, your curvature claim is garbage!




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Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
« Reply #112 on: April 30, 2017, 03:32:15 AM »
I may have missed the gun here but I'm going to bring up something about this that has bugged me for ages.

When we talk about the ship on the horizon we talk about a literal ship miles out where it goes over the horizon

However FE take that as you should be able to replicate this with smaller boats. Which in theory you can, only due to the size of them you lose them out of your focal range before they make it to the curvature, so of course when you take out the telescope you can bring the whole thing back.

So in order for you to do this properly you need to look at something that is the size of a laden cargo ship or a cruise ship, this way it is still just about in your focal range when it crosses the horizon so when you zoom in you only see part.
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Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
« Reply #113 on: April 30, 2017, 04:05:11 AM »
I may have missed the gun here but I'm going to bring up something about this that has bugged me for ages.

When we talk about the ship on the horizon we talk about a literal ship miles out where it goes over the horizon

However FE take that as you should be able to replicate this with smaller boats. Which in theory you can, only due to the size of them you lose them out of your focal range before they make it to the curvature, so of course when you take out the telescope you can bring the whole thing back.

So in order for you to do this properly you need to look at something that is the size of a laden cargo ship or a cruise ship, this way it is still just about in your focal range when it crosses the horizon so when you zoom in you only see part.
This sort of thing?  Is the "Diamond Princess" big enough?

Diamond Princess leaving Harbour
 

Diamond Princess partly over horizon

Diamond Princess well over horizon (framed for overlay)
 

Diamond Princess original ship overlayed on prev picture
This is a long video from the same location, though different ship:
There's much more where that came from about horizons.

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Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
« Reply #114 on: April 30, 2017, 07:54:04 AM »
I think if you ever mentioned that you could restore a ship that had disappeared over the horizon with a telescope to a sailor, you would get some weird looks.
I never was a real sailor, but I met a lot of them when I was in the Navy.
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Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
« Reply #115 on: April 30, 2017, 07:57:09 AM »
I live on Oahu, so I've seen ships on the horizon all the time.  The best evidence against this is when you see a ship traveling "sideways" on the horizon with half of the boat appearing to be underwater.  What explains that, besides "believing is seeing"?
The ship would be on the horizon, but not beyond it.
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Stick close , very close , to your P.C.and never go to sea
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Look out your window , see what you shall see
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Chorus:
Yes ! Never, never, never,  ever go to sea !

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Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
« Reply #116 on: April 30, 2017, 08:01:17 AM »
I riddle you this FE'ers. How can a ship dip below the horizon if the earth is flat?

I have personally seen a ship go over the horizon with a telescope. It is quite fascinating to see the ship gradually sink lower and lower on the horizon till it disappears.

This is of course only one of the many holes in your theory, but I would still like to see what the believers in here have to say about it. Please to not direct me to your obscure and false FAQ or some other thread. Prove me wrong, or fail trying. 8)

I have never observed such a thing. I BELIEVED I did, before I broke through the brainwashing and started looking at what was actually there, and not what I was brainwashed to "see."

There must be a lot of brain washed lookouts in a lot of Navies.
Stick close , very close , to your P.C.and never go to sea
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Look out your window , see what you shall see
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Chorus:
Yes ! Never, never, never,  ever go to sea !

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Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
« Reply #117 on: May 02, 2017, 10:16:01 AM »
I riddle you this FE'ers. How can a ship dip below the horizon if the earth is flat?

I have personally seen a ship go over the horizon with a telescope. It is quite fascinating to see the ship gradually sink lower and lower on the horizon till it disappears.

This is of course only one of the many holes in your theory, but I would still like to see what the believers in here have to say about it. Please to not direct me to your obscure and false FAQ or some other thread. Prove me wrong, or fail trying. 8)

I have never observed such a thing. I BELIEVED I did, before I broke through the brainwashing and started looking at what was actually there, and not what I was brainwashed to "see."

Hmm ... Here ya go!



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Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
« Reply #118 on: May 05, 2017, 06:16:51 PM »

See the curvature ? explain please.

Do i have to bring up the Felix Baumgartner Jump ? or do you think thats all fake like the moon landing ? And All the sponsors are part of a "secret society" ?
How does GPS work ? Look out the window and see the sun or the moon, are they flat ? Why can we travel AROUND the world? not to china and back, but actually AROUND it?
Oh, and have you ever been on a plane ? lol

And just in case you want to fly around the world by yourself:
http://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/technology/internet/with-the-new-google-earth-you-can-fly-around-the-world/article18108742.ece

P.S. SpaceX Will be real soon, hope you have set aside some cash :)
http://www.space.com/35844-elon-musk-spacex-announcement-today.html

And why would someone hide from us that the earth is flat ? What would be the benefit of it
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Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
« Reply #119 on: May 06, 2017, 01:07:09 PM »

See the curvature ? explain please.
You can't see curvature from that height, it's a lens effect.  How about from a Japanese meteorological satellite instead:

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