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Title: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: Matrixfart on March 14, 2007, 11:39:50 AM
I riddle you this FE'ers. How can a ship dip below the horizon if the earth is flat?

I have personally seen a ship go over the horizon with a telescope. It is quite fascinating to see the ship gradually sink lower and lower on the horizon till it disappears.

This is of course only one of the many holes in your theory, but I would still like to see what the believers in here have to say about it. Please to not direct me to your obscure and false FAQ or some other thread. Prove me wrong, or fail trying. 8)
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: Matrixfart on March 14, 2007, 12:21:41 PM
It seems no one has an answer. Come on now, don't be shy.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 14, 2007, 12:44:12 PM
This discrepancy is fully described in Earth Not a Globe.

See Chapter 14: http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za32.htm
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: re for sure. on March 14, 2007, 12:49:24 PM
Did you not read his post? he told you not to refer him to a different document, i want to see you try and explain this!  I think fe'ers are a crazy cult and you know what there bible is? E: NAG and the FAQ of course.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: Matrixfart on March 14, 2007, 12:50:43 PM
This discrepancy is fully described in Earth Not a Globe.


Yet you are unable to replicate, or at least tell me in your own words how this is possible?
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: Matrixfart on March 14, 2007, 06:50:22 PM
And you all keep avoiding the question. TEnaG's explanation is bogus and completely irrelevant.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: rolli on March 14, 2007, 11:30:44 PM
I live on Oahu, so I've seen ships on the horizon all the time.  The best evidence against this is when you see a ship traveling "sideways" on the horizon with half of the boat appearing to be underwater.  What explains that, besides "believing is seeing"?
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: Franc T., Planar on March 15, 2007, 12:11:14 AM
I riddle you this FE'ers. How can a ship dip below the horizon if the earth is flat?

I have personally seen a ship go over the horizon with a telescope. It is quite fascinating to see the ship gradually sink lower and lower on the horizon till it disappears.

This is of course only one of the many holes in your theory, but I would still like to see what the believers in here have to say about it. Please to not direct me to your obscure and false FAQ or some other thread. Prove me wrong, or fail trying. 8)

I have never observed such a thing. I BELIEVED I did, before I broke through the brainwashing and started looking at what was actually there, and not what I was brainwashed to "see."
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: Marinade on March 15, 2007, 12:33:33 AM
I riddle you this FE'ers. How can a ship dip below the horizon if the earth is flat?

I have personally seen a ship go over the horizon with a telescope. It is quite fascinating to see the ship gradually sink lower and lower on the horizon till it disappears.

This is of course only one of the many holes in your theory, but I would still like to see what the believers in here have to say about it. Please to not direct me to your obscure and false FAQ or some other thread. Prove me wrong, or fail trying. 8)

I have never observed such a thing. I BELIEVED I did, before I broke through the brainwashing and started looking at what was actually there, and not what I was brainwashed to "see."

I attempted to explain to you how your subconscious is brainwashing your conscious into thinking the Earth is flat, but you just ignored me.

http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=11525.60

Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: Franc T., Planar on March 15, 2007, 12:41:48 AM
I riddle you this FE'ers. How can a ship dip below the horizon if the earth is flat?

I have personally seen a ship go over the horizon with a telescope. It is quite fascinating to see the ship gradually sink lower and lower on the horizon till it disappears.

This is of course only one of the many holes in your theory, but I would still like to see what the believers in here have to say about it. Please to not direct me to your obscure and false FAQ or some other thread. Prove me wrong, or fail trying. 8)

I have never observed such a thing. I BELIEVED I did, before I broke through the brainwashing and started looking at what was actually there, and not what I was brainwashed to "see."

I attempted to explain to you how your subconscious is brainwashing your conscious into thinking the Earth is flat, but you just ignored me.

http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=11525.60



Sorry, but brainwashing can only be done by individuals. So you don't know what you're talking about.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: EvilToothpaste on March 15, 2007, 12:52:18 AM
I riddle you this FE'ers. How can a ship dip below the horizon if the earth is flat?

I have personally seen a ship go over the horizon with a telescope. It is quite fascinating to see the ship gradually sink lower and lower on the horizon till it disappears.

This is of course only one of the many holes in your theory, but I would still like to see what the believers in here have to say about it. Please to not direct me to your obscure and false FAQ or some other thread. Prove me wrong, or fail trying. 8)
I have never personally witnessed a ship "sinking" over the horizon.  I do not believe your personal testimony due to lack of evidence. 
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: WasteofHumans on March 15, 2007, 02:38:13 AM
then you've never "personally" seen a ship passing the horizon at all
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: rolli on March 15, 2007, 02:39:38 AM
I riddle you this FE'ers. How can a ship dip below the horizon if the earth is flat?

I have personally seen a ship go over the horizon with a telescope. It is quite fascinating to see the ship gradually sink lower and lower on the horizon till it disappears.

This is of course only one of the many holes in your theory, but I would still like to see what the believers in here have to say about it. Please to not direct me to your obscure and false FAQ or some other thread. Prove me wrong, or fail trying. 8)
I have never personally witnessed a ship "sinking" over the horizon.  I do not believe your personal testimony due to lack of evidence. 

You don't have to see it "sinking."  How about "half underwater?"
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: Matrixfart on March 15, 2007, 05:44:40 AM
I riddle you this FE'ers. How can a ship dip below the horizon if the earth is flat?

I have personally seen a ship go over the horizon with a telescope. It is quite fascinating to see the ship gradually sink lower and lower on the horizon till it disappears.

This is of course only one of the many holes in your theory, but I would still like to see what the believers in here have to say about it. Please to not direct me to your obscure and false FAQ or some other thread. Prove me wrong, or fail trying. 8)
I have never personally witnessed a ship "sinking" over the horizon.  I do not believe your personal testimony due to lack of evidence. 
Since you have never observed it yourself, your statement is instantly void and of no sound basis.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: Matrixfart on March 15, 2007, 05:47:20 AM
I riddle you this FE'ers. How can a ship dip below the horizon if the earth is flat?

I have personally seen a ship go over the horizon with a telescope. It is quite fascinating to see the ship gradually sink lower and lower on the horizon till it disappears.

This is of course only one of the many holes in your theory, but I would still like to see what the believers in here have to say about it. Please to not direct me to your obscure and false FAQ or some other thread. Prove me wrong, or fail trying. 8)

I have never observed such a thing. I BELIEVED I did, before I broke through the brainwashing and started looking at what was actually there, and not what I was brainwashed to "see."
What? So for all your "seeing is believing" speeches you actually had to brainwash yourself in order to understand the "truth" and see the facts? Maybe you had help from some local plants. Apparently there are plenty of plants which can help you see what you want.
If you look at a ship through a telescope, or even binoculars, you WILL see that it disappears over the edge slowly. How do I know this, because it is what happens every single time. Try it. I guarantee that you will see it.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: Franc T., Planar on March 15, 2007, 01:56:58 PM
Nope... this is just an illusion created by your belief.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: Miss M. on March 15, 2007, 01:59:12 PM
could say the same for you mate ;)
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: Matrixfart on March 15, 2007, 03:55:41 PM
Nope... this is just an illusion created by your belief.
I did not have any presupposition to this when I observed it. I just happened to see it happen. I suppose your imaginary observations are greater than the observation of millions of the public who have seen ships disappear over the horizon.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: Daetyrnis on March 15, 2007, 06:37:53 PM
This discrepancy is fully described in Earth Not a Globe.


I skimmed that, and it only seemed to say that the guy did the experiment and that it did not happen.  That's not an explanation nor a description.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: Franc T., Planar on March 15, 2007, 06:40:52 PM
Nope... this is just an illusion created by your belief.
I did not have any presupposition to this when I observed it.

Impossible. We have ALL been brainwashed into Round Earth belief, unless you live in a shack in the middle of the tundra.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: rolli on March 15, 2007, 06:41:53 PM
Nope... this is just an illusion created by your belief.
I did not have any presupposition to this when I observed it.

Impossible. We have ALL been brainwashed into Round Earth belief, unless you live in a shack in the middle of the tundra.

I guess those living before the 1700's were all living in a shack in the middle of the tundra.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: Matrixfart on March 15, 2007, 06:52:22 PM
Nope... this is just an illusion created by your belief.
I did not have any presupposition to this when I observed it.

Impossible. We have ALL been brainwashed into Round Earth belief, unless you live in a shack in the middle of the tundra.
My observations are hardy affected by what I have learned in school. I will not see a ship disappear over the horizon simply because I believe the earth to be a spheroid.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: Franc T., Planar on March 15, 2007, 06:55:02 PM
Nope... this is just an illusion created by your belief.
I did not have any presupposition to this when I observed it.

Impossible. We have ALL been brainwashed into Round Earth belief, unless you live in a shack in the middle of the tundra.
My observations are hardy affected by what I have learned in school. I will not see a ship disappear over the horizon simply because I believe the earth to be a spheroid.

You will WANT to see that, and you will INTERPRET it like that.

A Christian believes he sees Jesus in a wood panel: an atheist just sees a wood panel.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: Matrixfart on March 15, 2007, 06:56:15 PM
Nope... this is just an illusion created by your belief.
I did not have any presupposition to this when I observed it.

Impossible. We have ALL been brainwashed into Round Earth belief, unless you live in a shack in the middle of the tundra.
My observations are hardy affected by what I have learned in school. I will not see a ship disappear over the horizon simply because I believe the earth to be a spheroid.

You will WANT to see that, and you will INTERPRET it like that.

A Christian believes he sees Jesus in a wood panel: an atheist just sees a wood panel.

If I want to I could see Jesus there too, I might just not notice it at first. Something as glaring as a ship disappearing, seeing it clearly through a telescope, has nothing to do with preconceptions.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: Franc T., Planar on March 15, 2007, 06:58:02 PM
Nope... this is just an illusion created by your belief.
I did not have any presupposition to this when I observed it.

Impossible. We have ALL been brainwashed into Round Earth belief, unless you live in a shack in the middle of the tundra.
My observations are hardy affected by what I have learned in school. I will not see a ship disappear over the horizon simply because I believe the earth to be a spheroid.

You will WANT to see that, and you will INTERPRET it like that.

A Christian believes he sees Jesus in a wood panel: an atheist just sees a wood panel.

If I want to I could see Jesus there too, I might just not notice it at first. Something as glaring as a ship disappearing, seeing it clearly through a telescope, has nothing to do with preconceptions.

If you want to, you can also see the ship disappearing uniformly, you just refuse to falsify your beliefs.
Refusing to see what is there and falling back on your brainwashed belief system has EVERYTHING to do with preconceptions.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: Matrixfart on March 15, 2007, 07:00:55 PM
Nope... this is just an illusion created by your belief.
I did not have any presupposition to this when I observed it.

Impossible. We have ALL been brainwashed into Round Earth belief, unless you live in a shack in the middle of the tundra.
My observations are hardy affected by what I have learned in school. I will not see a ship disappear over the horizon simply because I believe the earth to be a spheroid.

You will WANT to see that, and you will INTERPRET it like that.

A Christian believes he sees Jesus in a wood panel: an atheist just sees a wood panel.

If I want to I could see Jesus there too, I might just not notice it at first. Something as glaring as a ship disappearing, seeing it clearly through a telescope, has nothing to do with preconceptions.

If you want to, you can also see the ship disappearing uniformly, you just refuse to falsify your beliefs.
Refusing to see what is there and falling back on your brainwashed belief system has EVERYTHING to do with preconceptions.
I am not refusing to see what is there. You are. Have you actually tested this experiment? I have no belief, I observe and know from fact. You are the one who has faith in an outdated and religiously based belief.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: Franc T., Planar on March 15, 2007, 07:03:55 PM
Nope... this is just an illusion created by your belief.
I did not have any presupposition to this when I observed it.

Impossible. We have ALL been brainwashed into Round Earth belief, unless you live in a shack in the middle of the tundra.
My observations are hardy affected by what I have learned in school. I will not see a ship disappear over the horizon simply because I believe the earth to be a spheroid.

You will WANT to see that, and you will INTERPRET it like that.

A Christian believes he sees Jesus in a wood panel: an atheist just sees a wood panel.

If I want to I could see Jesus there too, I might just not notice it at first. Something as glaring as a ship disappearing, seeing it clearly through a telescope, has nothing to do with preconceptions.

If you want to, you can also see the ship disappearing uniformly, you just refuse to falsify your beliefs.
Refusing to see what is there and falling back on your brainwashed belief system has EVERYTHING to do with preconceptions.
I am not refusing to see what is there. You are. Have you actually tested this experiment? I have no belief, I observe and know from fact. You are the one who has faith in an outdated and religiously based belief.

Methinks the religious believer protests too much.

I have lived near a big river all my life, and I have seen plenty of ships going away. I have never seen any "horizon" or "ship disappearing from the bottom up."
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: Marinade on March 15, 2007, 07:05:34 PM
I riddle you this FE'ers. How can a ship dip below the horizon if the earth is flat?

I have personally seen a ship go over the horizon with a telescope. It is quite fascinating to see the ship gradually sink lower and lower on the horizon till it disappears.

This is of course only one of the many holes in your theory, but I would still like to see what the believers in here have to say about it. Please to not direct me to your obscure and false FAQ or some other thread. Prove me wrong, or fail trying. 8)

I have never observed such a thing. I BELIEVED I did, before I broke through the brainwashing and started looking at what was actually there, and not what I was brainwashed to "see."

I attempted to explain to you how your subconscious is brainwashing your conscious into thinking the Earth is flat, but you just ignored me.

http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=11525.60



Sorry, but brainwashing can only be done by individuals. So you don't know what you're talking about.


Apparently you don't understand the power of the subconscious mind. Any psychiatrist will tell you the subconscious works in ways the conscious mind can not comprehend. So you can't not say that is impossible. As people  with severe phobias are often cause by either the subconscious or a past traumatic event, usually both.

Though suffice it to say the subconscious is largely unknown and whether or not it can has an effect on the conscious mind is not a question; it does. It's just how much of an effect it has.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: Matrixfart on March 15, 2007, 07:09:48 PM
Nope... this is just an illusion created by your belief.
I did not have any presupposition to this when I observed it.

Impossible. We have ALL been brainwashed into Round Earth belief, unless you live in a shack in the middle of the tundra.
My observations are hardy affected by what I have learned in school. I will not see a ship disappear over the horizon simply because I believe the earth to be a spheroid.

You will WANT to see that, and you will INTERPRET it like that.

A Christian believes he sees Jesus in a wood panel: an atheist just sees a wood panel.

If I want to I could see Jesus there too, I might just not notice it at first. Something as glaring as a ship disappearing, seeing it clearly through a telescope, has nothing to do with preconceptions.

If you want to, you can also see the ship disappearing uniformly, you just refuse to falsify your beliefs.
Refusing to see what is there and falling back on your brainwashed belief system has EVERYTHING to do with preconceptions.
I am not refusing to see what is there. You are. Have you actually tested this experiment? I have no belief, I observe and know from fact. You are the one who has faith in an outdated and religiously based belief.

Methinks the religious believer protests too much.

I have lived near a big river all my life, and I have seen plenty of ships going away. I have never seen any "horizon" or "ship disappearing from the bottom up."
Yes the religious believer protests to much. You need to stop it. Unless you can disprove scientific fact with your own recorded observations and prove them you have no credibility.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: Daetyrnis on March 15, 2007, 07:11:04 PM
Looking out over the ocean, a group of us were watching a ship leave.  A child asked her father if they just saw the ship sink.  Obviously, the father tried to explain to her how the Earth is curved.

If she had not been exposed to knowledge of the Earth being round, how was she brainwashed to see its effects?
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: Franc T., Planar on March 15, 2007, 07:12:14 PM
Nope... this is just an illusion created by your belief.
I did not have any presupposition to this when I observed it.

Impossible. We have ALL been brainwashed into Round Earth belief, unless you live in a shack in the middle of the tundra.
My observations are hardy affected by what I have learned in school. I will not see a ship disappear over the horizon simply because I believe the earth to be a spheroid.

You will WANT to see that, and you will INTERPRET it like that.

A Christian believes he sees Jesus in a wood panel: an atheist just sees a wood panel.

If I want to I could see Jesus there too, I might just not notice it at first. Something as glaring as a ship disappearing, seeing it clearly through a telescope, has nothing to do with preconceptions.

If you want to, you can also see the ship disappearing uniformly, you just refuse to falsify your beliefs.
Refusing to see what is there and falling back on your brainwashed belief system has EVERYTHING to do with preconceptions.
I am not refusing to see what is there. You are. Have you actually tested this experiment? I have no belief, I observe and know from fact. You are the one who has faith in an outdated and religiously based belief.

Methinks the religious believer protests too much.

I have lived near a big river all my life, and I have seen plenty of ships going away. I have never seen any "horizon" or "ship disappearing from the bottom up."
Yes the religious believer protests to much. You need to stop it. Unless you can disprove scientific fact with your own recorded observations and prove them you have no credibility.

Prove what? That I have never seen a horizon? Are YOU gonna prove that you saw a horizon? How would you even do that? It's a personal perception and interpretation either way.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: Matrixfart on March 15, 2007, 07:14:33 PM
Nope... this is just an illusion created by your belief.
I did not have any presupposition to this when I observed it.

Impossible. We have ALL been brainwashed into Round Earth belief, unless you live in a shack in the middle of the tundra.
My observations are hardy affected by what I have learned in school. I will not see a ship disappear over the horizon simply because I believe the earth to be a spheroid.

You will WANT to see that, and you will INTERPRET it like that.

A Christian believes he sees Jesus in a wood panel: an atheist just sees a wood panel.

If I want to I could see Jesus there too, I might just not notice it at first. Something as glaring as a ship disappearing, seeing it clearly through a telescope, has nothing to do with preconceptions.

If you want to, you can also see the ship disappearing uniformly, you just refuse to falsify your beliefs.
Refusing to see what is there and falling back on your brainwashed belief system has EVERYTHING to do with preconceptions.
I am not refusing to see what is there. You are. Have you actually tested this experiment? I have no belief, I observe and know from fact. You are the one who has faith in an outdated and religiously based belief.

Methinks the religious believer protests too much.

I have lived near a big river all my life, and I have seen plenty of ships going away. I have never seen any "horizon" or "ship disappearing from the bottom up."
Yes the religious believer protests to much. You need to stop it. Unless you can disprove scientific fact with your own recorded observations and prove them you have no credibility.

Prove what? That I have never seen a horizon? Are YOU gonna prove that you saw a horizon? How would you even do that? It's a personal perception and interpretation either way.
I dunno. If I took a picture of the top of a lighthouse from a boat using some sort of magnifying telescope you would just claim it was doctored or I am part of "teh conspiracy".
If you observe it yourself however I am sure you would see it my way. Unless you are not really  FE'er and you are just here for the fun of it.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: Franc T., Planar on March 15, 2007, 07:15:55 PM
Nope... this is just an illusion created by your belief.
I did not have any presupposition to this when I observed it.

Impossible. We have ALL been brainwashed into Round Earth belief, unless you live in a shack in the middle of the tundra.
My observations are hardy affected by what I have learned in school. I will not see a ship disappear over the horizon simply because I believe the earth to be a spheroid.

You will WANT to see that, and you will INTERPRET it like that.

A Christian believes he sees Jesus in a wood panel: an atheist just sees a wood panel.

If I want to I could see Jesus there too, I might just not notice it at first. Something as glaring as a ship disappearing, seeing it clearly through a telescope, has nothing to do with preconceptions.

If you want to, you can also see the ship disappearing uniformly, you just refuse to falsify your beliefs.
Refusing to see what is there and falling back on your brainwashed belief system has EVERYTHING to do with preconceptions.
I am not refusing to see what is there. You are. Have you actually tested this experiment? I have no belief, I observe and know from fact. You are the one who has faith in an outdated and religiously based belief.

Methinks the religious believer protests too much.

I have lived near a big river all my life, and I have seen plenty of ships going away. I have never seen any "horizon" or "ship disappearing from the bottom up."
Yes the religious believer protests to much. You need to stop it. Unless you can disprove scientific fact with your own recorded observations and prove them you have no credibility.

Prove what? That I have never seen a horizon? Are YOU gonna prove that you saw a horizon? How would you even do that? It's a personal perception and interpretation either way.
I dunno. If I took a picture of the top of a lighthouse from a boat using some sort of magnifying telescope you would just claim it was doctored or I am part of "teh conspiracy".
If you observe it yourself however I am sure you would see it my way. Unless you are not really  FE'er and you are just here for the fun of it.

Fine, take a picture and I'll tell you my honest opinion about it.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: Matrixfart on March 15, 2007, 07:41:14 PM
Nope... this is just an illusion created by your belief.
I did not have any presupposition to this when I observed it.

Impossible. We have ALL been brainwashed into Round Earth belief, unless you live in a shack in the middle of the tundra.
My observations are hardy affected by what I have learned in school. I will not see a ship disappear over the horizon simply because I believe the earth to be a spheroid.

You will WANT to see that, and you will INTERPRET it like that.

A Christian believes he sees Jesus in a wood panel: an atheist just sees a wood panel.

If I want to I could see Jesus there too, I might just not notice it at first. Something as glaring as a ship disappearing, seeing it clearly through a telescope, has nothing to do with preconceptions.

If you want to, you can also see the ship disappearing uniformly, you just refuse to falsify your beliefs.
Refusing to see what is there and falling back on your brainwashed belief system has EVERYTHING to do with preconceptions.
I am not refusing to see what is there. You are. Have you actually tested this experiment? I have no belief, I observe and know from fact. You are the one who has faith in an outdated and religiously based belief.

Methinks the religious believer protests too much.

I have lived near a big river all my life, and I have seen plenty of ships going away. I have never seen any "horizon" or "ship disappearing from the bottom up."
Yes the religious believer protests to much. You need to stop it. Unless you can disprove scientific fact with your own recorded observations and prove them you have no credibility.

Prove what? That I have never seen a horizon? Are YOU gonna prove that you saw a horizon? How would you even do that? It's a personal perception and interpretation either way.
I dunno. If I took a picture of the top of a lighthouse from a boat using some sort of magnifying telescope you would just claim it was doctored or I am part of "teh conspiracy".
If you observe it yourself however I am sure you would see it my way. Unless you are not really  FE'er and you are just here for the fun of it.

Fine, take a picture and I'll tell you my honest opinion about it.
As soon as I find an opportunity to do so I will. Don't expect to hear from me anytime soon though.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: _khAttAm_ on October 15, 2008, 02:49:39 AM
Did you not read his post? he told you not to refer him to a different document, i want to see you try and explain this!  I think fe'ers are a crazy cult and you know what there bible is? E: NAG and the FAQ of course.

having read some of the threads, I already agree on this one..
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: _khAttAm_ on October 15, 2008, 02:52:08 AM
This discrepancy is fully described in Earth Not a Globe.


It does not describe why we see the sail first and later the whole body emerges out gradually... cud u try plz...
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: C-Ray on October 15, 2008, 08:01:42 AM
This discrepancy is fully described in Earth Not a Globe.


It does not describe why we see the sail first and later the whole body emerges out gradually... cud u try plz...

This thread answers a lot a questions about the open mindedness of FE'ers.  That one guy saying he has never even seen a horizon?  LOL...Good Laugh thanks for posting.

As for your question, most FE'ers quote some sort of "Bendy Light" Theory.  Goldstein calls it "Wonko" light, I think that fits so much better.  Bendy light does play a large part in their theory though so I would try and learn about that.  It compensates for discrepancies in their measurements of the size and distance in the sun and moon; it explains sunsets and causes the sun to appear higher in the sky then it is; It explains why there is a horizon on a flat earth; it is a big fall back for a lot of unexplained FE theories.

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: urherenow on January 23, 2017, 07:35:48 PM
I find it hilarious that flat earthers refuse to simply go outside with a telescope (or cheap binoculars even) and see for themselves. I've spent over 22 years in the Navy and I assure you that what you see in this video (no fisheye here people) is what you get:

https%3A%2F%2Fm.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D7nUFLLUahSI&h=ATOLNha15ftnxffPUX-tcwXEgPvc7Tdj58U5BkzIIdJ3QbM5JTZO6LZQs9Hb_10ZZziA04yFvzJM-nn3QFJPITNpK9buGF0qSp4883auBA6qfqYyRhBx2hp0nPaW_VR81YA&enc=AZOo4d4cOqROBj_6Q6_upump8ylG0GuRUBex-xkzlp3eZ_cqD7BVj2sfXP0tgRHfzvc&s=1

Furthermore, there are so many observations you can make with your own eyes that disprove flat earth theories, it's not even funny.

1) The sun goes around a stationary Earth, and it's small and very close, so it somehow has "localized" light.

This makes a lunar eclipse impossible. Period. When you see a person half a mile away, do they look small or big? As you get closer to them (or they get closer to you) they get BIGGER in your field of view, right? So... forget that the Sun ARCHES across the sky... why is it that the sun looks SMALLER at noon when it's overhead, and so huge at sunrise and sunset? Sorry folks, but This wouldn't happen on the flat earth model.

2) Gravity is just a "theory" and probably doesn't exist.
     ??? ??? ??? ??? So... you're telling me that A) The Earth is stationary while at the same time B) There is no proof of gravity... and... tides are caused HOW? BY WHAT?  There are a plethora of experiments that let you prove, detect, and MEASURE gravity. Everything you can see in space: YOU. NOT PICTURES. NOT VIDEOS. YOU. With whatever lens you feel like using (Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, THE MOON) is a sphere. It HAS TO BE. Because of gravity. Gravity always pulls to the center of mass. The more mass, the more gravity. Sure, you can see rectangle-ish plant cells... but look deeper. To atoms and even pieces of atoms. Spherical. YOU can see this with an electron microscope. Long story short, If you can agree that the Earth is much bigger and has more mass than the moon (which has formed into a sphere... like any other moon and planet out there), then EVEN if you believed that some fairytale up in the sky created a flat Earth, gravity would have crushed and pulled it all together into a ball anyway.

Many more points to make and no time. Have to get back to work.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: BadBuc99 on January 24, 2017, 11:41:16 AM
I riddle you this FE'ers. How can a ship dip below the horizon if the earth is flat?

I have personally seen a ship go over the horizon with a telescope. It is quite fascinating to see the ship gradually sink lower and lower on the horizon till it disappears.

This is of course only one of the many holes in your theory, but I would still like to see what the believers in here have to say about it. Please to not direct me to your obscure and false FAQ or some other thread. Prove me wrong, or fail trying. 8)

Not only can ships that go over the horizon be brought back into view with a magnification device; the sun can be brought back into view as well. I have video proof of those two facts. The main confusion on this subject, is the lack of research done on the part of those who believe the NASA, SpaceX, ESA,  rhetoric, narrative.

If you need video proof, just go to Youtube, and type in BadBuc99, and my channel will pop up. 
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: frenat on January 24, 2017, 12:39:17 PM
I riddle you this FE'ers. How can a ship dip below the horizon if the earth is flat?

I have personally seen a ship go over the horizon with a telescope. It is quite fascinating to see the ship gradually sink lower and lower on the horizon till it disappears.

This is of course only one of the many holes in your theory, but I would still like to see what the believers in here have to say about it. Please to not direct me to your obscure and false FAQ or some other thread. Prove me wrong, or fail trying. 8)

Not only can ships that go over the horizon be brought back into view with a magnification device; the sun can be brought back into view as well. I have video proof of those two facts. The main confusion on this subject, is the lack of research done on the part of those who believe the NASA, SpaceX, ESA,  rhetoric, narrative.

If you need video proof, just go to Youtube, and type in BadBuc99, and my channel will pop up.
They can NOT be brought back with magnification.  Once part is over the horizon the only thing that will bring it back is an increase in elevation.  Your video "proof" only shows buildings that were below the resolution of the camera when zoomed out but were likely still visible to the naked eye.  The zoom makes no part of the buildings visible that wasn't visible before.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: BadBuc99 on January 24, 2017, 12:53:12 PM
I riddle you this FE'ers. How can a ship dip below the horizon if the earth is flat?

I have personally seen a ship go over the horizon with a telescope. It is quite fascinating to see the ship gradually sink lower and lower on the horizon till it disappears.

This is of course only one of the many holes in your theory, but I would still like to see what the believers in here have to say about it. Please to not direct me to your obscure and false FAQ or some other thread. Prove me wrong, or fail trying. 8)

Not only can ships that go over the horizon be brought back into view with a magnification device; the sun can be brought back into view as well. I have video proof of those two facts. The main confusion on this subject, is the lack of research done on the part of those who believe the NASA, SpaceX, ESA,  rhetoric, narrative.

If you need video proof, just go to Youtube, and type in BadBuc99, and my channel will pop up.
They can NOT be brought back with magnification.  Once part is over the horizon the only thing that will bring it back is an increase in elevation.  Your video "proof" only shows buildings that were below the resolution of the camera when zoomed out but were likely still visible to the naked eye.  The zoom makes no part of the buildings visible that wasn't visible before.

Your explanation was so illogical, that you make Bill Nye look like a genius!

What about this one?

Or this one -

You can deceive yourself all you want, but there's too much evidence that the earth is flat to deceive everyone.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: frenat on January 24, 2017, 01:01:20 PM
I riddle you this FE'ers. How can a ship dip below the horizon if the earth is flat?

I have personally seen a ship go over the horizon with a telescope. It is quite fascinating to see the ship gradually sink lower and lower on the horizon till it disappears.

This is of course only one of the many holes in your theory, but I would still like to see what the believers in here have to say about it. Please to not direct me to your obscure and false FAQ or some other thread. Prove me wrong, or fail trying. 8)

Not only can ships that go over the horizon be brought back into view with a magnification device; the sun can be brought back into view as well. I have video proof of those two facts. The main confusion on this subject, is the lack of research done on the part of those who believe the NASA, SpaceX, ESA,  rhetoric, narrative.

If you need video proof, just go to Youtube, and type in BadBuc99, and my channel will pop up.
They can NOT be brought back with magnification.  Once part is over the horizon the only thing that will bring it back is an increase in elevation.  Your video "proof" only shows buildings that were below the resolution of the camera when zoomed out but were likely still visible to the naked eye.  The zoom makes no part of the buildings visible that wasn't visible before.

Your explanation was so illogical, that you make Bill Nye look like a genius!

I'm sorry you think the truth is illogical.  I'm guessing none of these videos were filmed by you because if they had been then you could have seen that the magnification does not bring anything back.

What about this one?
good example of a boat disappearing from the bottom up and the magnification NOT bringing it back.

Or this one -
More boats that are below the resolution of the camera when zoomed out.  They would still be visible to the naked eye though.  Thanks for proving you've never been to a beach yourself though.

You can deceive yourself all you want, but there's too much evidence that the earth is flat to deceive everyone.
I'm deceiving noone.  I KNOW the earth is a globe.
I've worked with both radio and RADAR from both ground and air platforms.  For both the range increases only with an increase in altitude.  If the world was flat then just increasing power would increase the range.

I've stood on the beach at the Bay/Gulf county line in Mexico Beach, FL.  From that location you can look directly South and see the trees of Cape San Blas.  While looking from the water line though you can NOT see the waterline and beach of the Cape.  Binoculars and telescopes do NOT bring it into view; I checked.  This is on a day with completely calm water as that area regularly gets.  However, if you climb up the ~15 feet up to the road level you CAN see the beach and water line of Cape San Blas without any zoom at all.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: BadBuc99 on January 24, 2017, 01:27:12 PM
Not only can ships that go over the horizon be brought back into view with a magnification device; the sun can be brought back into view as well. I have video proof of those two facts. The main confusion on this subject, is the lack of research done on the part of those who believe the NASA, SpaceX, ESA,  rhetoric, narrative.

If you need video proof, just go to Youtube, and type in BadBuc99, and my channel will pop up.
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They can NOT be brought back with magnification.  Once part is over the horizon the only thing that will bring it back is an increase in elevation.  Your video "proof" only shows buildings that were below the resolution of the camera when zoomed out but were likely still visible to the naked eye.  The zoom makes no part of the buildings visible that wasn't visible before.
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Your explanation was so illogical, that you make Bill Nye look like a genius![/quote]

I'm sorry you think the truth is illogical.  I'm guessing none of these videos were filmed by you because if they had been then you could have seen that the magnification does not bring anything back.


I'm deceiving noone.  I KNOW the earth is a globe.
I've worked with both radio and RADAR from both ground and air platforms.  For both the range increases only with an increase in altitude.  If the world was flat then just increasing power would increase the range.

I've stood on the beach at the Bay/Gulf county line in Mexico Beach, FL.  From that location you can look directly South and see the trees of Cape San Blas.  While looking from the water line though you can NOT see the waterline and beach of the Cape.  Binoculars and telescopes do NOT bring it into view; I checked.  This is on a day with completely calm water as that area regularly gets.  However, if you climb up the ~15 feet up to the road level you CAN see the beach and water line of Cape San Blas without any zoom at all.
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If you don't believe the evidence presented, then why are you at a pro flat earth forum? Just to troll? Maybe paid to try and confuse those not as educated in the subject?

If an object is out of sight, meaning past the horizon, then it has been established by every globezombie out there that it is below the curvature of the earth. The fact that it can be brought back into view, proves there is no curvature!

https://twitter.com/BadBuc99/status/821757563943456770
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: Gumby on January 24, 2017, 01:30:59 PM
I riddle you this FE'ers. How can a ship dip below the horizon if the earth is flat?

I have personally seen a ship go over the horizon with a telescope. It is quite fascinating to see the ship gradually sink lower and lower on the horizon till it disappears.

This is of course only one of the many holes in your theory, but I would still like to see what the believers in here have to say about it. Please to not direct me to your obscure and false FAQ or some other thread. Prove me wrong, or fail trying. 8)

Not only can ships that go over the horizon be brought back into view with a magnification device; the sun can be brought back into view as well. I have video proof of those two facts. The main confusion on this subject, is the lack of research done on the part of those who believe the NASA, SpaceX, ESA,  rhetoric, narrative.

If you need video proof, just go to Youtube, and type in BadBuc99, and my channel will pop up.
They can NOT be brought back with magnification.  Once part is over the horizon the only thing that will bring it back is an increase in elevation.  Your video "proof" only shows buildings that were below the resolution of the camera when zoomed out but were likely still visible to the naked eye.  The zoom makes no part of the buildings visible that wasn't visible before.

Your explanation was so illogical, that you make Bill Nye look like a genius!

What about this one?

Or this one -

You can deceive yourself all you want, but there's too much evidence that the earth is flat to deceive everyone.
On the first video why the boat starts to look a bit strange at minute 11?
I mean it seems that the bottom part of boat is a reflection of the top. Even the red stripe starts to get thiner and ends up disappearing. There is some optical phenomenon that makes this effect.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: frenat on January 24, 2017, 01:34:06 PM

I'm sorry you think the truth is illogical.  I'm guessing none of these videos were filmed by you because if they had been then you could have seen that the magnification does not bring anything back.


I'm deceiving noone.  I KNOW the earth is a globe.
I've worked with both radio and RADAR from both ground and air platforms.  For both the range increases only with an increase in altitude.  If the world was flat then just increasing power would increase the range.

I've stood on the beach at the Bay/Gulf county line in Mexico Beach, FL.  From that location you can look directly South and see the trees of Cape San Blas.  While looking from the water line though you can NOT see the waterline and beach of the Cape.  Binoculars and telescopes do NOT bring it into view; I checked.  This is on a day with completely calm water as that area regularly gets.  However, if you climb up the ~15 feet up to the road level you CAN see the beach and water line of Cape San Blas without any zoom at all.

If you don't believe the evidence presented, then why are you at a pro flat earth forum? Just to troll? Maybe paid to try and confuse those not as educated in the subject?
The shill gambit already?  No comments on what I posted?  Typical.  For the record, I am not paid to post here nor anywhere else.

If an object is out of sight, meaning past the horizon, then it has been established by every globezombie out there that it is below the curvature of the earth. The fact that it can be brought back into view, proves there is no curvature!
Except it CAN'T be brought back with magnification.  I've tried it and it is apparent that you have not.

https://twitter.com/BadBuc99/status/821757563943456770
Magnification does NOT change where the horizon is.  Only a change in elevation will.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: BadBuc99 on January 24, 2017, 01:53:52 PM
https://twitter.com/BadBuc99/status/821757563943456770
Magnification does NOT change where the horizon is.  Only a change in elevation will.
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for an average height person, the horizon will roughly be around 3.2 miles. Due to perspective, which is when an object will go past their ability to see an object. When magnification is used, the object comes back into view. This has been proven many times, by many different people. The fact that you can't make a magnification device work, does not prove other peoples work null and void. It does however prove your inability to use simple devices.   
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: frenat on January 24, 2017, 01:56:37 PM
https://twitter.com/BadBuc99/status/821757563943456770
Magnification does NOT change where the horizon is.  Only a change in elevation will.

for an average height person, the horizon will roughly be around 3.2 miles. Due to perspective, which is when an object will go past their ability to see an object. When magnification is used, the object comes back into view. This has been proven many times, by many different people. The fact that you can't make a magnification device work, does not prove other peoples work null and void. It does however prove your inability to use simple devices.
It has not been proven.  Every video I've seen purporting to prove it shows only that an object is outside the resolution for the camera used when zoomed out.  That does NOT prove anything about the object being visible to the naked eye or the distance to the horizon.  Thank you for proving you've never tried it yourself however.


And if you're going to continue trying to edit quotes, then please learn how the tags work before trying it.  You've screwed it up each time.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: BadBuc99 on January 24, 2017, 02:06:45 PM
https://twitter.com/BadBuc99/status/821757563943456770
Magnification does NOT change where the horizon is.  Only a change in elevation will.

for an average height person, the horizon will roughly be around 3.2 miles. Due to perspective, which is when an object will go past their ability to see an object. When magnification is used, the object comes back into view. This has been proven many times, by many different people. The fact that you can't make a magnification device work, does not prove other peoples work null and void. It does however prove your inability to use simple devices.
It has not been proven.  Every video I've seen purporting to prove it shows only that an object is outside the resolution for the camera used when zoomed out.

That is utter nonsense! Your whole argument is based on you saying "is outside the resolution for the camera". You present no facts whatsoever...just personal conjecture!
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: frenat on January 24, 2017, 02:10:32 PM
https://twitter.com/BadBuc99/status/821757563943456770
Magnification does NOT change where the horizon is.  Only a change in elevation will.

for an average height person, the horizon will roughly be around 3.2 miles. Due to perspective, which is when an object will go past their ability to see an object. When magnification is used, the object comes back into view. This has been proven many times, by many different people. The fact that you can't make a magnification device work, does not prove other peoples work null and void. It does however prove your inability to use simple devices.
It has not been proven.  Every video I've seen purporting to prove it shows only that an object is outside the resolution for the camera used when zoomed out.

That is utter nonsense! Your whole argument is based on you saying "is outside the resolution for the camera". You present no facts whatsoever...just personal conjecture!
You can watch as it zooms and see that the amount hidden DOES NOT CHANGE.  If the zooming were what is making it visible then it should change as the amount of zoom changes.  It does not.  There is nothing to indicate that the boats are not visible to the naked eye.
I have personally seen objects disappear over the horizon and tested their visibility with binoculars and telescopes.  It is apparent YOU have not.  Come back when you've actually visited a beach and seen this for yourself.  Education at the university of youtube will only get you so far.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: BadBuc99 on January 24, 2017, 02:24:05 PM
https://twitter.com/BadBuc99/status/821757563943456770
Magnification does NOT change where the horizon is.  Only a change in elevation will.

for an average height person, the horizon will roughly be around 3.2 miles. Due to perspective, which is when an object will go past their ability to see an object. When magnification is used, the object comes back into view. This has been proven many times, by many different people. The fact that you can't make a magnification device work, does not prove other peoples work null and void. It does however prove your inability to use simple devices.
It has not been proven.  Every video I've seen purporting to prove it shows only that an object is outside the resolution for the camera used when zoomed out.

That is utter nonsense! Your whole argument is based on you saying "is outside the resolution for the camera". You present no facts whatsoever...just personal conjecture!
You can watch as it zooms and see that the amount hidden DOES NOT CHANGE.  If the zooming were what is making it visible then it should change as the amount of zoom changes.  It does not.  There is nothing to indicate that the boats are not visible to the naked eye.
I have personally seen objects disappear over the horizon and tested their visibility with binoculars and telescopes.  It is apparent YOU have not.  Come back when you've actually visited a beach and seen this for yourself.  Education at the university of youtube will only get you so far.

So your personal opinion trumps all the video and photo evidence.....right, GOTCHA!  Then throws out the "YOUTUBE" remark! As if the ability to post facts in a youtube video is impossible!

The truth is, you have a slick spin answer to try and debunk any truth presented. "It's out of resolution!" "The lenses are different!"  Lol, you atheist/pseudo science trolls are so deceptive, because it terrifies you to think that everything was created by God. And that same God said there will be a judgement day!
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: MaxPen on January 24, 2017, 02:27:13 PM
Come back when you've actually visited a beach and seen this for yourself

I don't think they let the severely deranged ones out to go to places like the beach
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: BadBuc99 on January 24, 2017, 02:39:59 PM
Come back when you've actually visited a beach and seen this for yourself

I don't think they let the severely deranged ones out to go to places like the beach

Another great post Max! You're almost ready to take Neil Degrasse Tyson's job away!
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: frenat on January 24, 2017, 02:45:44 PM
https://twitter.com/BadBuc99/status/821757563943456770
Magnification does NOT change where the horizon is.  Only a change in elevation will.

for an average height person, the horizon will roughly be around 3.2 miles. Due to perspective, which is when an object will go past their ability to see an object. When magnification is used, the object comes back into view. This has been proven many times, by many different people. The fact that you can't make a magnification device work, does not prove other peoples work null and void. It does however prove your inability to use simple devices.
It has not been proven.  Every video I've seen purporting to prove it shows only that an object is outside the resolution for the camera used when zoomed out.

That is utter nonsense! Your whole argument is based on you saying "is outside the resolution for the camera". You present no facts whatsoever...just personal conjecture!
You can watch as it zooms and see that the amount hidden DOES NOT CHANGE.  If the zooming were what is making it visible then it should change as the amount of zoom changes.  It does not.  There is nothing to indicate that the boats are not visible to the naked eye.
I have personally seen objects disappear over the horizon and tested their visibility with binoculars and telescopes.  It is apparent YOU have not.  Come back when you've actually visited a beach and seen this for yourself.  Education at the university of youtube will only get you so far.

So your personal opinion trumps all the video and photo evidence.....right, GOTCHA!  Then throws out the "YOUTUBE" remark! As if the ability to post facts in a youtube video is impossible!

The truth is, you have a slick spin answer to try and debunk any truth presented. "It's out of resolution!" "The lenses are different!"  Lol, you atheist/pseudo science trolls are so deceptive, because it terrifies you to think that everything was created by God. And that same God said there will be a judgement day!
not a personal opinion.  It is a fact.
Not an atheist and not a troll.  And it is still apparent that you have not ever viewed this for yourself.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: frenat on January 24, 2017, 02:46:43 PM
The answer seems to be pretty simple to me. Human perspective. Since you don't want to be redirected anywhere, you can look at the picture examples I have for you or not. A ship "sinking into the horizon" is not what it seems. What you really see is the object reflected in the water, and the water line is actually much higher than what eyes see. Its like a mirage. An example of this would be the sun going out of our sight at sunset, it seems to melt into the water.

Example: https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&ved=0ahUKEwjqh8fv6NvRAhUXzmMKHesfBEoQjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Faty.sdsu.edu%2Fexplain%2Fsimulations%2Finf-mir%2FKaplan_photos.html&psig=AFQjCNE-8jNGW5cTmU1U8b-jAWzYRGdIFg&ust=1485382946327877&cad=rja

Same thing happens to boats.
Example: https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&ved=0ahUKEwiEwv3s69vRAhUC4WMKHV-ZA1kQjRwIBw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theflatearthsociety.org%2Fforum%2Findex.php%3Ftopic%3D65105.0&psig=AFQjCNGBE6XspjO6Eki7eYhlLyKx5fQNHQ&ust=1485383737244007
You can clearly see where the water line actually is by the reflection of the boat.


Our eyes can only see so far. When you think you may be seeing a sail "go over the curve", all you are seeing is the reflection in the water as the boats goes away from your ability to see. Like an inverted image melting into itself.
So small changes in elevation increase the distance your eyes can see?  ::)
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: BadBuc99 on January 24, 2017, 03:13:42 PM
https://twitter.com/BadBuc99/status/821757563943456770
Magnification does NOT change where the horizon is.  Only a change in elevation will.

for an average height person, the horizon will roughly be around 3.2 miles. Due to perspective, which is when an object will go past their ability to see an object. When magnification is used, the object comes back into view. This has been proven many times, by many different people. The fact that you can't make a magnification device work, does not prove other peoples work null and void. It does however prove your inability to use simple devices.
It has not been proven.  Every video I've seen purporting to prove it shows only that an object is outside the resolution for the camera used when zoomed out.

That is utter nonsense! Your whole argument is based on you saying "is outside the resolution for the camera". You present no facts whatsoever...just personal conjecture!
You can watch as it zooms and see that the amount hidden DOES NOT CHANGE.  If the zooming were what is making it visible then it should change as the amount of zoom changes.  It does not.  There is nothing to indicate that the boats are not visible to the naked eye.
I have personally seen objects disappear over the horizon and tested their visibility with binoculars and telescopes.  It is apparent YOU have not.  Come back when you've actually visited a beach and seen this for yourself.  Education at the university of youtube will only get you so far.

So your personal opinion trumps all the video and photo evidence.....right, GOTCHA!  Then throws out the "YOUTUBE" remark! As if the ability to post facts in a youtube video is impossible!

The truth is, you have a slick spin answer to try and debunk any truth presented. "It's out of resolution!" "The lenses are different!"  Lol, you atheist/pseudo science trolls are so deceptive, because it terrifies you to think that everything was created by God. And that same God said there will be a judgement day!
not a personal opinion.  It is a fact.
Not an atheist and not a troll.  And it is still apparent that you have not ever viewed this for yourself.

That is personal opinion. You see; you people can spew anything you like without any visible, or viable proof. You are followers of the priests of the pseudo science religion. There is no proof or evidence that can be presented to you or your ilk that you will accept. 
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: frenat on January 24, 2017, 03:17:12 PM
https://twitter.com/BadBuc99/status/821757563943456770
Magnification does NOT change where the horizon is.  Only a change in elevation will.

for an average height person, the horizon will roughly be around 3.2 miles. Due to perspective, which is when an object will go past their ability to see an object. When magnification is used, the object comes back into view. This has been proven many times, by many different people. The fact that you can't make a magnification device work, does not prove other peoples work null and void. It does however prove your inability to use simple devices.
It has not been proven.  Every video I've seen purporting to prove it shows only that an object is outside the resolution for the camera used when zoomed out.

That is utter nonsense! Your whole argument is based on you saying "is outside the resolution for the camera". You present no facts whatsoever...just personal conjecture!
You can watch as it zooms and see that the amount hidden DOES NOT CHANGE.  If the zooming were what is making it visible then it should change as the amount of zoom changes.  It does not.  There is nothing to indicate that the boats are not visible to the naked eye.
I have personally seen objects disappear over the horizon and tested their visibility with binoculars and telescopes.  It is apparent YOU have not.  Come back when you've actually visited a beach and seen this for yourself.  Education at the university of youtube will only get you so far.

So your personal opinion trumps all the video and photo evidence.....right, GOTCHA!  Then throws out the "YOUTUBE" remark! As if the ability to post facts in a youtube video is impossible!

The truth is, you have a slick spin answer to try and debunk any truth presented. "It's out of resolution!" "The lenses are different!"  Lol, you atheist/pseudo science trolls are so deceptive, because it terrifies you to think that everything was created by God. And that same God said there will be a judgement day!
not a personal opinion.  It is a fact.
Not an atheist and not a troll.  And it is still apparent that you have not ever viewed this for yourself.

That is personal opinion. You see; you people can spew anything you like without any visible, or viable proof. You are followers of the priests of the pseudo science religion. There is no proof or evidence that can be presented to you or your ilk that you will accept.
No it is not a personal opinion.  IF the zoom is making it visible then as the zoom changes then the amount visible should also change.  It does not therefore the zoom is not making it visible.  There is still nothing to indicate the boats are not visible to the naked eye.

As for it being apparent you have never viewed this for yourself, that is made clear by your own words.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: BadBuc99 on January 24, 2017, 03:25:37 PM
https://twitter.com/BadBuc99/status/821757563943456770
Magnification does NOT change where the horizon is.  Only a change in elevation will.

for an average height person, the horizon will roughly be around 3.2 miles. Due to perspective, which is when an object will go past their ability to see an object. When magnification is used, the object comes back into view. This has been proven many times, by many different people. The fact that you can't make a magnification device work, does not prove other peoples work null and void. It does however prove your inability to use simple devices.
It has not been proven.  Every video I've seen purporting to prove it shows only that an object is outside the resolution for the camera used when zoomed out.

That is utter nonsense! Your whole argument is based on you saying "is outside the resolution for the camera". You present no facts whatsoever...just personal conjecture!
You can watch as it zooms and see that the amount hidden DOES NOT CHANGE.  If the zooming were what is making it visible then it should change as the amount of zoom changes.  It does not.  There is nothing to indicate that the boats are not visible to the naked eye.
I have personally seen objects disappear over the horizon and tested their visibility with binoculars and telescopes.  It is apparent YOU have not.  Come back when you've actually visited a beach and seen this for yourself.  Education at the university of youtube will only get you so far.

So your personal opinion trumps all the video and photo evidence.....right, GOTCHA!  Then throws out the "YOUTUBE" remark! As if the ability to post facts in a youtube video is impossible!

The truth is, you have a slick spin answer to try and debunk any truth presented. "It's out of resolution!" "The lenses are different!"  Lol, you atheist/pseudo science trolls are so deceptive, because it terrifies you to think that everything was created by God. And that same God said there will be a judgement day!
not a personal opinion.  It is a fact.
Not an atheist and not a troll.  And it is still apparent that you have not ever viewed this for yourself.

That is personal opinion. You see; you people can spew anything you like without any visible, or viable proof. You are followers of the priests of the pseudo science religion. There is no proof or evidence that can be presented to you or your ilk that you will accept.
No it is not a personal opinion.  IF the zoom is making it visible then as the zoom changes then the amount visible should also change.  It does not therefore the zoom is not making it visible.  There is still nothing to indicate the boats are not visible to the naked eye.

As for it being apparent you have never viewed this for yourself, that is made clear by your own words.

The camera cannot zoom in past itself, so when it's not using any zoom, and you cannot see the boat beyond the horizon, it means that it went below the so-called curvature of the earth. If the camera can't see the boat, then what makes you think the naked eye can? The fact that it can be made visible again proves no curvature!

You're just throwing out nonsensical spin. You believe it, and therefore it must be true! You're nothing but a pseudo science troll. You have no desire to get to the truth. Your agenda is to garble up, and hide the truth just like NASA and the like. 
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: frenat on January 24, 2017, 03:28:37 PM
https://twitter.com/BadBuc99/status/821757563943456770
Magnification does NOT change where the horizon is.  Only a change in elevation will.

for an average height person, the horizon will roughly be around 3.2 miles. Due to perspective, which is when an object will go past their ability to see an object. When magnification is used, the object comes back into view. This has been proven many times, by many different people. The fact that you can't make a magnification device work, does not prove other peoples work null and void. It does however prove your inability to use simple devices.
It has not been proven.  Every video I've seen purporting to prove it shows only that an object is outside the resolution for the camera used when zoomed out.

That is utter nonsense! Your whole argument is based on you saying "is outside the resolution for the camera". You present no facts whatsoever...just personal conjecture!
You can watch as it zooms and see that the amount hidden DOES NOT CHANGE.  If the zooming were what is making it visible then it should change as the amount of zoom changes.  It does not.  There is nothing to indicate that the boats are not visible to the naked eye.
I have personally seen objects disappear over the horizon and tested their visibility with binoculars and telescopes.  It is apparent YOU have not.  Come back when you've actually visited a beach and seen this for yourself.  Education at the university of youtube will only get you so far.

So your personal opinion trumps all the video and photo evidence.....right, GOTCHA!  Then throws out the "YOUTUBE" remark! As if the ability to post facts in a youtube video is impossible!

The truth is, you have a slick spin answer to try and debunk any truth presented. "It's out of resolution!" "The lenses are different!"  Lol, you atheist/pseudo science trolls are so deceptive, because it terrifies you to think that everything was created by God. And that same God said there will be a judgement day!
not a personal opinion.  It is a fact.
Not an atheist and not a troll.  And it is still apparent that you have not ever viewed this for yourself.

That is personal opinion. You see; you people can spew anything you like without any visible, or viable proof. You are followers of the priests of the pseudo science religion. There is no proof or evidence that can be presented to you or your ilk that you will accept.
No it is not a personal opinion.  IF the zoom is making it visible then as the zoom changes then the amount visible should also change.  It does not therefore the zoom is not making it visible.  There is still nothing to indicate the boats are not visible to the naked eye.

As for it being apparent you have never viewed this for yourself, that is made clear by your own words.

The camera cannot zoom in past itself, so when it's not using any zoom, and you cannot see the boat beyond the horizon, it means that it went below the so-called curvature of the earth. If the camera can't see the boat, then what makes you think the naked eye can? The fact that it can be made visible again proves no curvature!
No, it is just below the resolution of the camera.  Your eyes have better resolution.  There is still nothing to indicate it was not visible to the eye.

You're just throwing out nonsensical spin. You believe it, and therefore it must be true! You're nothing but a pseudo science troll. You have no desire to get to the truth. Your agenda is to garble up, and hide the truth just like NASA and the like.
oh the irony.

I've given you details of an experiment I carried out showing that magnification does not change the distance to the horizon.  I've shown how you can test it for yourself.  YOU have dismissed.

And by the way, the world was proven round over 2,000 years before NASA ever existed.

Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: BadBuc99 on January 24, 2017, 03:34:05 PM
I know I'm right, because I'm the only one showing observable proofs. You and your ilk just throw out innuendos, spin, and rhetoric. You never show any proof whatsoever to back up your claims. NEVER!!!

Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: frenat on January 24, 2017, 03:38:06 PM
I know I'm right, because I'm the only one showing observable proofs. You and your ilk just throw out innuendos, spin, and rhetoric. You never show any proof whatsoever to back up your claims. NEVER!!!

Again, I have described an experiment done by myself and shown how anyone can repeat it.  You've posted videos that it is apparent you did not film.

There is no proof that magnification increases the observable horizon.  IF it did then as the zoom changes the amount of the object hidden by the horizon should also change.  It does not.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: BadBuc99 on January 24, 2017, 03:43:07 PM
I know I'm right, because I'm the only one showing observable proofs. You and your ilk just throw out innuendos, spin, and rhetoric. You never show any proof whatsoever to back up your claims. NEVER!!!

Again, I have described an experiment done by myself and shown how anyone can repeat it.  You've posted videos that it is apparent you did not film.

There is no proof that magnification increases the observable horizon.  IF it did then as the zoom changes the amount of the object hidden by the horizon should also change.  It does not.

LMAO! "I have done an experiment!"  I won't produce any proof of such experiment...you'll just have to take my word for it!

Do you know how stupid you sound? I feel a slight brain cramp just posting with you over your nonsensical, self exalting dogmatic rhetoric.

You literally say without saying it..."I reject reality, and substitute it with my own!" 
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: frenat on January 24, 2017, 03:46:27 PM
I know I'm right, because I'm the only one showing observable proofs. You and your ilk just throw out innuendos, spin, and rhetoric. You never show any proof whatsoever to back up your claims. NEVER!!!

Again, I have described an experiment done by myself and shown how anyone can repeat it.  You've posted videos that it is apparent you did not film.

There is no proof that magnification increases the observable horizon.  IF it did then as the zoom changes the amount of the object hidden by the horizon should also change.  It does not.

LMAO! "I have done an experiment!"  I won't produce any proof of such experiment...you'll just have to take my word for it!

Do you know how stupid you sound? I feel a slight brain cramp just posting with you over your nonsensical, self exalting dogmatic rhetoric.

You literally say without saying it..."I reject reality, and substitute it with my own!"
Except I give all the details necessary for ANYONE to repeat the experiment so NOBODY has to take my word for it.

Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: BadBuc99 on January 24, 2017, 03:53:15 PM
I know I'm right, because I'm the only one showing observable proofs. You and your ilk just throw out innuendos, spin, and rhetoric. You never show any proof whatsoever to back up your claims. NEVER!!!

Again, I have described an experiment done by myself and shown how anyone can repeat it.  You've posted videos that it is apparent you did not film.

There is no proof that magnification increases the observable horizon.  IF it did then as the zoom changes the amount of the object hidden by the horizon should also change.  It does not.

LMAO! "I have done an experiment!"  I won't produce any proof of such experiment...you'll just have to take my word for it!

Do you know how stupid you sound? I feel a slight brain cramp just posting with you over your nonsensical, self exalting dogmatic rhetoric.

You literally say without saying it..."I reject reality, and substitute it with my own!"
Except I give all the details necessary for ANYONE to repeat the experiment.

Well next time you speak at the AAAS, and tell everyone that you did an experiment without a single iota of proof, and then tell how they too can do it...then you can expect The Copley Medal for outstandingly nothing! 
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: frenat on January 24, 2017, 04:02:30 PM
I know I'm right, because I'm the only one showing observable proofs. You and your ilk just throw out innuendos, spin, and rhetoric. You never show any proof whatsoever to back up your claims. NEVER!!!

Again, I have described an experiment done by myself and shown how anyone can repeat it.  You've posted videos that it is apparent you did not film.

There is no proof that magnification increases the observable horizon.  IF it did then as the zoom changes the amount of the object hidden by the horizon should also change.  It does not.

LMAO! "I have done an experiment!"  I won't produce any proof of such experiment...you'll just have to take my word for it!

Do you know how stupid you sound? I feel a slight brain cramp just posting with you over your nonsensical, self exalting dogmatic rhetoric.

You literally say without saying it..."I reject reality, and substitute it with my own!"
Except I give all the details necessary for ANYONE to repeat the experiment.

Well next time you speak at the AAAS, and tell everyone that you did an experiment without a single iota of proof, and then tell how they too can do it...then you can expect The Copley Medal for outstandingly nothing!
And what experiments have you proposed?  You've just declared you're right with nothing to back you up. 

Careful, your anger is showing.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: hoppy on January 24, 2017, 05:10:20 PM
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Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: BadBuc99 on January 24, 2017, 05:29:45 PM
(https://twitter.com/BadBuc99/status/821757563943456770)
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: frenat on January 24, 2017, 05:59:59 PM
https://twitter.com/BadBuc99/status/821757563943456770
fixed the link for you.  The link you posted will not work with an img tag as it is not a direct link to the image.

Still wrong just like the first time you posted it.  Magnification can not change a horizon.  You claim it is both perspective and height.  If it could be changed by magnification then someone with better eyesight would see a farther horizon.  but they don't.  It is based solely on height of the observer and calculable based on that.  Objects over the horizon can not be brought back with magnification.  If they are completely over the horizon then they are gone unless height is increased.  If they are partially hidden they will remain partially hidden unless height is increased.  You've shown nothing proving otherwise.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: Twerp on January 24, 2017, 06:45:52 PM
(https://twitter.com/BadBuc99/status/821757563943456770)
<Copy image address>

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2d3HJGVEAEzuTL.jpg)
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: Bullwinkle on January 24, 2017, 09:18:28 PM
fixed the link for you.

Fixed the fix for you.   ;)

(http://i.imgur.com/F76IIT4.jpg)
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: MouseWalker on January 24, 2017, 11:58:53 PM
I know I'm right, because I'm the only one showing observable proofs. You and your ilk just throw out innuendos, spin, and rhetoric. You never show any proof whatsoever to back up your claims. NEVER!!!

The real illusion it Is that the earth is flat.
The earth is a globe, Proof
1 we have been to the moon, and have pictures of the earth from the moon.
2 the ISS is real and in orbit around the globe.
3 weather satellite pictures are real.
4 GPS uses satellites.
I could go on but I think that's enough.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: Gumby on January 25, 2017, 01:15:27 AM
Why the red boat became whit at minute 11?
Why the hull looks like the deck?
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: BadBuc99 on January 25, 2017, 06:01:44 AM
I know I'm right, because I'm the only one showing observable proofs. You and your ilk just throw out innuendos, spin, and rhetoric. You never show any proof whatsoever to back up your claims. NEVER!!!

The real illusion it Is that the earth is flat.
The earth is a globe, Proof
1 we have been to the moon, and have pictures of the earth from the moon.
2 the ISS is real and in orbit around the globe.
3 weather satellite pictures are real.
4 GPS uses satellites.
I could go on but I think that's enough.

This is not a debate forum.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: rabinoz on January 25, 2017, 05:25:21 PM
I know I'm right, because I'm the only one showing observable proofs. You and your ilk just throw out innuendos, spin, and rhetoric. You never show any proof whatsoever to back up your claims. NEVER!!!

The real illusion it Is that the earth is flat.
The earth is a globe, Proof
1 we have been to the moon, and have pictures of the earth from the moon.
2 the ISS is real and in orbit around the globe.
3 weather satellite pictures are real.
4 GPS uses satellites.
I could go on but I think that's enough.

This is not a debate forum.
True but, go look in The real illusion it Is that the earth is flat. on: Today at 11:22:37 AM . (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=69116.msg1863399#msg1863399)
There it is in the debate forum for you.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: flatearthemily on January 26, 2017, 08:27:00 PM
I riddle you this FE'ers. How can a ship dip below the horizon if the earth is flat?

I have personally seen a ship go over the horizon with a telescope. It is quite fascinating to see the ship gradually sink lower and lower on the horizon till it disappears.

This is of course only one of the many holes in your theory, but I would still like to see what the believers in here have to say about it. Please to not direct me to your obscure and false FAQ or some other thread. Prove me wrong, or fail trying. 8)


I'll give it a shot! All the answers I've come across just comes down to the distance our eyes can see. As a boat "sinks down into the curvature", what we are actually seeing is just a reflection in the water as the object leaves human perspective (this is, of course, at a great distance when atmospheric conditions get involved). The water line in the ocean isn't where our eyes see, but you can clearly see where the reflection begins and ends in my picture examples, indicating where the water line actually is.  (EDIT* The reflection takes place after the ships and boats pass the wave front edge.) This is like a mirage/mirroring effect because our eyes (and magnifying devices) can only see so far. The sun does this as it leaves us over the ocean, as well.

Just a couple of examples:

(http://aa.usno.navy.mil/graphics/sun1b.jpg)


(http://www.tamariskrtw.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/No-it-isnt-sinking-on-a-calm-day-with-a-very-long-lens-we-can-see-beyond-the-horizon-the-curvature-of-the-Earth-prevents-us-from-seeing-the-entire-boat.jpg)


Time and time again, I've watched video evidence of people showing a boat go completely out of view, then they zoom in and the boat is completely visible again. This is repeated only until the camera can no longer zoom in.

So the boats are just leaving our perspective. Another example is the, what I think is called, Bedford Levels experiment (Bedford Levels is a perfectly straight canal for six miles), and this Samuel Rowbottom person (spell check) put a telescope about 8 inches above the water and sent a rowboat with a flag on the back and watched him row to the other side, and could see the flag and the boat the entire time. And I've watched this video explaining a bit on the equation that says (spherical trigonometry, I think) the curve of the earth is 8 inches per mile squared. So over five miles (the canal was six miles), the boat should be 16 feet below the horizon. (5x5=25 8x25=200 inches)

Any thoughts?

As for your personal experience, what if I had been there with a stronger magnifying device and I zoomed in on the boat after you watched it go over the curvature?

"Another great example is the Notre Dame Antwerp spire standing 403 feet high from the foot of the tower with Strasburg measuring 468 feet above sea level. With the aid of a telescope, ships can be distinguished on the horizon and captains declare they can see the cathedral spire from an amazing 150 miles away. If the Earth were a globe, however, at that distance the spire should be an entire mile, 5,280 feet below the horizon!"
Here's a little quote from

https://aplanetruth.info/2015/03/29/22-is-the-earth-a-sphere-lighthouses-and-distant-lands/

But you can look into that on any website...


It also probably helps to understand how our perspective works

(http://www.olejarz.com/arted/perspective/images/intro.gif)

We see in a pyramid-like shape. To put into words, in addition to picture aid, (with the horizon obviously in the center) everything below the horizon seems to go up and everything above the horizon seems to go down as the sides go inward. We witness this walking down a very long hotel or cruise ship hallway. Even as we look at things at a far distance, our own perspective can obscure what we are looking at.


(https://nikonites.com/attachments/abstract/85799d1398536199-cruise-ship-hallway-285.jpg)
 
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: Copper Knickers on January 26, 2017, 10:39:07 PM
Time and time again, I've watched video evidence of people showing a boat go completely out of view, then they zoom in and the boat is completely visible again. This is repeated only until the camera can no longer zoom in.

If you could provide links to some of that video evidence that would be great. As far as I know there's none been posted here.

Probably better to start a new thread in FE Debate rather than put them on this Q&A thread.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: Math87 on February 19, 2017, 12:27:23 AM
I riddle you this FE'ers. How can a ship dip below the horizon if the earth is flat?

I have personally seen a ship go over the horizon with a telescope. It is quite fascinating to see the ship gradually sink lower and lower on the horizon till it disappears.

This is of course only one of the many holes in your theory, but I would still like to see what the believers in here have to say about it. Please to not direct me to your obscure and false FAQ or some other thread. Prove me wrong, or fail trying. 8)


I'll give it a shot! All the answers I've come across just comes down to the distance our eyes can see. As a boat "sinks down into the curvature", what we are actually seeing is just a reflection in the water as the object leaves human perspective (this is, of course, at a great distance when atmospheric conditions get involved). The water line in the ocean isn't where our eyes see, but you can clearly see where the reflection begins and ends in my picture examples, indicating where the water line actually is.  (EDIT* The reflection takes place after the ships and boats pass the wave front edge.) This is like a mirage/mirroring effect because our eyes (and magnifying devices) can only see so far. The sun does this as it leaves us over the ocean, as well.

Just a couple of examples:

(http://aa.usno.navy.mil/graphics/sun1b.jpg)


(http://www.tamariskrtw.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/No-it-isnt-sinking-on-a-calm-day-with-a-very-long-lens-we-can-see-beyond-the-horizon-the-curvature-of-the-Earth-prevents-us-from-seeing-the-entire-boat.jpg)


Time and time again, I've watched video evidence of people showing a boat go completely out of view, then they zoom in and the boat is completely visible again. This is repeated only until the camera can no longer zoom in.

So the boats are just leaving our perspective. Another example is the, what I think is called, Bedford Levels experiment (Bedford Levels is a perfectly straight canal for six miles), and this Samuel Rowbottom person (spell check) put a telescope about 8 inches above the water and sent a rowboat with a flag on the back and watched him row to the other side, and could see the flag and the boat the entire time. And I've watched this video explaining a bit on the equation that says (spherical trigonometry, I think) the curve of the earth is 8 inches per mile squared. So over five miles (the canal was six miles), the boat should be 16 feet below the horizon. (5x5=25 8x25=200 inches)

Any thoughts?

As for your personal experience, what if I had been there with a stronger magnifying device and I zoomed in on the boat after you watched it go over the curvature?

"Another great example is the Notre Dame Antwerp spire standing 403 feet high from the foot of the tower with Strasburg measuring 468 feet above sea level. With the aid of a telescope, ships can be distinguished on the horizon and captains declare they can see the cathedral spire from an amazing 150 miles away. If the Earth were a globe, however, at that distance the spire should be an entire mile, 5,280 feet below the horizon!"
Here's a little quote from

https://aplanetruth.info/2015/03/29/22-is-the-earth-a-sphere-lighthouses-and-distant-lands/

But you can look into that on any website...


It also probably helps to understand how our perspective works

(http://www.olejarz.com/arted/perspective/images/intro.gif)

We see in a pyramid-like shape. To put into words, in addition to picture aid, (with the horizon obviously in the center) everything below the horizon seems to go up and everything above the horizon seems to go down as the sides go inward. We witness this walking down a very long hotel or cruise ship hallway. Even as we look at things at a far distance, our own perspective can obscure what we are looking at.


(https://nikonites.com/attachments/abstract/85799d1398536199-cruise-ship-hallway-285.jpg)


Your math is wrong. It is not 8 inches per 5 miles squared (8*5^2), it is 8 inches per square mile ( a square area 1 mile by 1 mile). So at 5 miles an object would only be 40 inches below the horizon or 3 feet 4 inches (8 in.*5 square miles, because there are 5 squares that are 1 mile by 1 mile between you and the object).

And the spire would be visible at 150 miles out because the building would be 1200 inches (100 feet) below the horizon, because there are 150 square miles between you and the spire of Notre Dame.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: JackBlack on February 20, 2017, 01:23:45 AM
Your math is wrong. It is not 8 inches per 5 miles squared (8*5^2), it is 8 inches per square mile ( a square area 1 mile by 1 mile). So at 5 miles an object would only be 40 inches below the horizon or 3 feet 4 inches (8 in.*5 square miles, because there are 5 squares that are 1 mile by 1 mile between you and the object).

And the spire would be visible at 150 miles out because the building would be 1200 inches (100 feet) below the horizon, because there are 150 square miles between you and the spire of Notre Dame.

No. It is 8 inches per mile squared, not 8 inches per square mile.
It is based on a parabola which approximates a sphere for low values.

As such, something which is 150 miles away, (assuming your eyes are at sea level), would be hidden by 180 000 feet.

I can go through the more complicated math if you like.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on February 20, 2017, 02:43:46 AM
"Another great example is the Notre Dame Antwerp spire standing 403 feet high from the foot of the tower with Strasburg measuring 468 feet above sea level. With the aid of a telescope, ships can be distinguished on the horizon and captains declare they can see the cathedral spire from an amazing 150 miles away. If the Earth were a globe, however, at that distance the spire should be an entire mile, 5,280 feet below the horizon!"
Here's a little quote from
You've just parroted this from the many websites that also blindly parrot it.  If you read it carefully, it doesn't even make any sense:

"Another great example is the Notre Dame Antwerp spire standing 403 feet high from the foot of the tower with Strasburg [sic] measuring 468 feet above sea level."

Eh, what?  What has the Antwerp tower got to do with the Strasbourg one?  This sentence makes no sense.

"With the aid of a telescope, ships can be distinguished on the horizon and captains declare they can see the cathedral spire from an amazing 150 miles away."

Which cathedral?  What ships?  I bet it's not the Strasbourg on, as it right in the middle of Western Europe, over 300 miles to the coast!   Unless this "ships captain" has actually somehow grounded his boat in Zurich.

As for Antwerp: It's only 120 miles from South East coast of England to Antwerp - and trust me, you can't see cathedral towers in Belgium while stood on the Kent coast. 

Do you think your "ships captains" might just be made up by any chance?
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: rabinoz on February 20, 2017, 03:27:13 AM
"Another great example is the Notre Dame Antwerp spire standing 403 feet high from the foot of the tower with Strasburg measuring 468 feet above sea level. With the aid of a telescope, ships can be distinguished on the horizon and captains declare they can see the cathedral spire from an amazing 150 miles away. If the Earth were a globe, however, at that distance the spire should be an entire mile, 5,280 feet below the horizon!"
Here's a little quote from
You've just parroted this from the many websites that also blindly parrot it.  If you read it carefully, it doesn't even make any sense:

"Another great example is the Notre Dame Antwerp spire standing 403 feet high from the foot of the tower with Strasburg [sic] measuring 468 feet above sea level."

Eh, what?  What has the Antwerp tower got to do with the Strasbourg one?  This sentence makes no sense.

"With the aid of a telescope, ships can be distinguished on the horizon and captains declare they can see the cathedral spire from an amazing 150 miles away."

Which cathedral?  What ships?  I bet it's not the Strasbourg on, as it right in the middle of Western Europe, over 300 miles to the coast!   Unless this "ships captain" has actually somehow grounded his boat in Zurich.

As for Antwerp: It's only 120 miles from South East coast of England to Antwerp - and trust me, you can't see cathedral towers in Belgium while stood on the Kent coast. 

Do you think your "ships captains" might just be made up by any chance?
flatearthemily certainly has the quote right, here is the full quote from
Quote from: Eric Dubay
The Atlantean Conspiracy, Flat Earth Enlightenment From Lighthouses
Another great example is the Notre Dame Antwerp spire standing 403 feet high from the foot of the tower with Strasburg measuring 468 feet above sea level.  With the aid of a telescope, ships can be distinguished on the horizon and captains declare they can see the cathedral spire from an amazing 150 miles away.  If the Earth were a globe, however, at that distance the spire should be an entire mile, 5,280 feet below the horizon!

The Atlantean Conspiracy, , Flat Earth Enlightenment From Lighthouses (http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2015/04/flat-earth-enlightenment.html)

So, flatearthemily, like a fully a indoctrinated little sheeple just copies from the master, even though it makes no sense at all.

Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: physical observer on February 20, 2017, 03:50:29 AM
I riddle you this FE'ers. How can a ship dip below the horizon if the earth is flat?

I have personally seen a ship go over the horizon with a telescope. It is quite fascinating to see the ship gradually sink lower and lower on the horizon till it disappears.

This is of course only one of the many holes in your theory, but I would still like to see what the believers in here have to say about it. Please to not direct me to your obscure and false FAQ or some other thread. Prove me wrong, or fail trying. 8)

Meanwhile, I can give plenty of videos on youtube that we all can watch that disproves your "false News" claim. Funny, why didn't you record your event for all to see? "False news", "false news", "false news"!

Here are a few of those videos:







Now, lets see your video where a ship dips over the alleged curvature of the ocean. Just keep in mind bunky, water becomes horizontally flat once it fills a void, your curvature claim is garbage!
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: Badxtoss on February 20, 2017, 08:00:11 AM
I riddle you this FE'ers. How can a ship dip below the horizon if the earth is flat?

I have personally seen a ship go over the horizon with a telescope. It is quite fascinating to see the ship gradually sink lower and lower on the horizon till it disappears.

This is of course only one of the many holes in your theory, but I would still like to see what the believers in here have to say about it. Please to not direct me to your obscure and false FAQ or some other thread. Prove me wrong, or fail trying. 8)

Meanwhile, I can give plenty of videos on youtube that we all can watch that disproves your "false News" claim. Funny, why didn't you record your event for all to see? "False news", "false news", "false news"!

Here are a few of those videos:







Now, lets see your video where a ship dips over the alleged curvature of the ocean. Just keep in mind bunky, water becomes horizontally flat once it fills a void, your curvature claim is garbage!
Ok, let me ask you.  Why does water appear to become horizontally flat?  What force makes it do that?
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: JackBlack on February 20, 2017, 12:09:57 PM
Meanwhile, I can give plenty of videos on youtube that we all can watch that disproves your "false News" claim. Funny, why didn't you record your event for all to see? "False news", "false news", "false news"!

Here are a few of those videos:


And of course, what does the video show?
It shows the ship sinking below the horizon as would be expected for a round Earth. If Earth was flat, no part of it should sink.

Good job for once again providing evidence that shows Earth is round.

If you want to refute Earth being round, show me the coast of Europe from the coast of the US, taken from no more than a few m above sea level.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: physical observer on February 20, 2017, 12:34:51 PM
Meanwhile, I can give plenty of videos on youtube that we all can watch that disproves your "false News" claim. Funny, why didn't you record your event for all to see? "False news", "false news", "false news"!

Here are a few of those videos:


And of course, what does the video show?
It shows the ship sinking below the horizon as would be expected for a round Earth. If Earth was flat, no part of it should sink.

Good job for once again providing evidence that shows Earth is round.

If you want to refute Earth being round, show me the coast of Europe from the coast of the US, taken from no more than a few m above sea level.

Perspective, waves, water evaporation, convergence, and decreasing visibility range, is why the ship is disappearing, not because it is "falling off the edge".....err....going over any curvature.

"show me the coast of Europe from the coast of the US, taken from no more than a few m above sea level."

Would you believe it, or find some way to reject it? It's a mirage, or some silly BS like that.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: JackBlack on February 20, 2017, 12:53:33 PM
Perspective, waves, water evaporation, convergence, and decreasing visibility range, is why the ship is disappearing, not because it is "falling off the edge".....err....going over any curvature.
And none of that explains it.
Perspective would only make it go smaller, not disappear.
They are clearly above the waves, so at most the waves just obscure the small part which is the peak of the wave, which would be pretty much the same when it was much closer to shore.
Water evaporation, causing refraction would work against you, resulting in more of the boat being visible for longer, not making it disappearing.
What do you mean by "convergence"?
Decreasing visibility range also clearly isn't an issue as the boat is still visible while it is shrinking.

So nope. None of that is why the ship is disappearing.

"show me the coast of Europe from the coast of the US, taken from no more than a few m above sea level."

Would you believe it, or find some way to reject it? It's a mirage, or some silly BS like that.
I would believe it, if it could easily be done by almost anyone.
Instead, no one has ever been able to do that. I wonder why...

Also do you notice how you now accuse us of doing the very same thing you repeatedly do.
We have brought up plenty of evidence, and you just reject it, without any rational justification.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: sir_awesome123 on February 20, 2017, 02:00:08 PM
Meanwhile, I can give plenty of videos on youtube that we all can watch that disproves your "false News" claim. Funny, why didn't you record your event for all to see? "False news", "false news", "false news"!

Here are a few of those videos:


And of course, what does the video show?
It shows the ship sinking below the horizon as would be expected for a round Earth. If Earth was flat, no part of it should sink.

Good job for once again providing evidence that shows Earth is round.

If you want to refute Earth being round, show me the coast of Europe from the coast of the US, taken from no more than a few m above sea level.

Perspective, waves, water evaporation, convergence, and decreasing visibility range, is why the ship is disappearing, not because it is "falling off the edge".....err....going over any curvature.

"show me the coast of Europe from the coast of the US, taken from no more than a few m above sea level."

Would you believe it, or find some way to reject it? It's a mirage, or some silly BS like that.

in the video distance from shore is derived from the speed of the ship. the ships angle when departing the bay isn't calculated, and there is no evidence to say that the ship maintained a constant velocity; so exact distances in miles or kilometers are meaningless in this video.

however there is a ship departing from the camera at some speed. the ship does disappear starting at the bottom, as you would expect if the earth were round. however since the back of the boat was never measured and distance isn't precisely measured, any conjecture on how much of the boat should be visible is meaningless. so all we know is that it disappeared, bottom up.

perspective isn't selective, if you look at your friend on the other end of a long hallway, their feet will appear smaller, but not disappear. im assuming the camera is several feet above sea level so waves on a flat earth would hide pretty much the same amount of the boat at 50 feet as they would at 5000 (since they probably dont even come 1/30 of the height of the camera). evaporating water vapor causes what most people observe as heat waves, when you look at a hot surface and the air above it looks all wavy, this is why las vegas has been called the floating city, why then at night when this wavy effect goes away, can you see the sky scrapers in vegas, but not the car headlights. convergences cause more water evaporation, so you listed that one twice. visibility range does decrease, thats why the boat gets all hazey as it gets further away, but i dont know why haze would make the boat seem to sink into the ocean instead of just becoming less clear.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: rabinoz on February 20, 2017, 03:27:48 PM
I riddle you this FE'ers. How can a ship dip below the horizon if the earth is flat?

I have personally seen a ship go over the horizon with a telescope. It is quite fascinating to see the ship gradually sink lower and lower on the horizon till it disappears.

This is of course only one of the many holes in your theory, but I would still like to see what the believers in here have to say about it. Please to not direct me to your obscure and false FAQ or some other thread. Prove me wrong, or fail trying. 8)

Meanwhile, I can give plenty of videos on youtube that we all can watch that disproves your "false News" claim. Funny, why didn't you record your event for all to see? "False news", "false news", "false news"!
Here are a few of those videos:

Ship visible at 12 miles on horizon : FLAT EARTH ADDICT 01, Flat Earth Addict

At 8:41 a lot of the ship has disappeared. Maybe not as much as calculated, but refraction is very variable. You have seen the Toronto photos I suppose, varying from almost completely hidden to quite a bit visible.

Quote from: physical observer
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Analyzed: "How Boats Vanish Over The Horizon" ON A FLAT EARTH. from YouTube'r " EmpyThea Princess", DITRH
Please explain why so many FE "ships hidden" videos are taken under mirage conditions? In this video, the presenter claims that the real horizon level is at the apparent water level. I do not agree. The "mirage" causing the reflection affects objects below it, close to water level and moves the apparent water level, NOT the ship, which is at a higher level.

I claim that the true water level is at the "mirroring line". This attempt at deception is why so many FE "ships dissappearing" videos are taken when there is a mirage mirroring the water. Take a look at:
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Flat Earth Conspiracy.com Red Boat Video, Flat Earth Conspiracy
And Jeranism does exactly the same in:
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Boats Prove No Curvature - Earth is Flat, jeranism
Over and over we see the same thing!

Quote from: physical observer

US Navy Submarine Chief: What Curve? - Flat Earth - Part One, 7th Day Truth Seeker
I am not going to wade through 1 hour 16 minutes and 55 seconds of rambling about their misunderstanding every from gravity to attitude control in submarines.
A nuclear sub could not travel even 1 over the earth's surface in an hour! That is less than one minute of arc every minute.
It is laughable to suggest that matters in the moving ocean currents and changing water conditions.
Maybe you could look at a video about the horizon:

Proving the Earth is not Flat - Part 1 - The Horizon, VoysovReason

Quote from: physical observer
Now, lets see your video where a ship dips over the alleged curvature of the ocean. Just keep in mind bunky, water becomes horizontally flat once it fills a void, your curvature claim is garbage!
Just a bit in closing:
But ships certainly get hidden, and with no mirroring that jeranism and other use in their deception!:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/eyvyx9ysn79u8kc/Diamond%20Princess%202%20leaving%20Harbour.jpg?dl=1)
Diamond Princess leaving Harbour
 
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/cybtbb06hx11uma/Diamond%20Princess%205%20more%20over%20horizon.jpg?dl=1)
Diamond Princess partly over horizon
 
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/9na6fx2p9dqcxkt/Diamond%20Princess%207%20framed%20for%20overlay.jpg?dl=1)
Diamond Princess well over horizon (framed for overlay)
 
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/l16vcdcer5t2xvk/Diamond%20Princess%208%20as%207%20original%20ship%20overlayed.jpg?dl=1)
Diamond Princess original ship overlayed on prev picture
This is a long video from the same location, though different ship:

Flat Earth Debunked - Cruise Ship March 27 2016, Dazzathecameraman

There's much more where that came from about horizons.


Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: 29silhouette on February 20, 2017, 04:53:33 PM
Meanwhile, I can give plenty of videos on youtube ...
How about a ship that is visibly 'sunken' beyond the horizon that is restored to full height with increased magnification.  We all keep hearing about this, but have yet to see it.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: frenat on February 20, 2017, 04:57:42 PM
Meanwhile, I can give plenty of videos on youtube ...
How about a ship that is visibly 'sunken' beyond the horizon that is restored to full height with increased magnification.  We all keep hearing about this, but have yet to see it.
That and as it is being restored with a variable zoom camera we should also see the amount that is hidden change.

Instead all we get are videos where boat is below the resolution of the camera while zoomed out (but not actually over the horizon and is still visible to the eye) that they then zoom in on. 
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: FEskeptic on February 20, 2017, 06:11:19 PM
I riddle you this FE'ers. How can a ship dip below the horizon if the earth is flat?

I have personally seen a ship go over the horizon with a telescope. It is quite fascinating to see the ship gradually sink lower and lower on the horizon till it disappears.

This is of course only one of the many holes in your theory, but I would still like to see what the believers in here have to say about it. Please to not direct me to your obscure and false FAQ or some other thread. Prove me wrong, or fail trying. 8)

Meanwhile, I can give plenty of videos on youtube that we all can watch that disproves your "false News" claim. Funny, why didn't you record your event for all to see? "False news", "false news", "false news"!

Here are a few of those videos:







Now, lets see your video where a ship dips over the alleged curvature of the ocean. Just keep in mind bunky, water becomes horizontally flat once it fills a void, your curvature claim is garbage!

Hey, person who can't understand elemtaey physics. There is something common in those videos you posted, the atmosphere is very "dirty" as they would say. In other words there is a lot of moisture in the air. When there is a lot of moisture I scatters light. Much like fog it will obscure objects as they get farther away and the light gets more scattered. You'll notice that not one of those videos has a clear deep blue sky, which is an indicator of a "clean" atmosphere. It's the same reason you can't see the stars at night when there are clouds. It's the same reason astronomers that plan on looking st the sky need to check the weather to see if the conditions or right for a great viewing experience. I bet if we knew what does those videos were takene and where, we could look up the viewing conditions that day and see they weren't very good. Anytime the sky looks pale, or grey in the case of some of those videos, it indicates bad viewing conditions. Further the "Vanishing point" does not exist in the human eye. If you think it does I would love to hear your explanation for why we can see a star billions of light years away which surely is beyond the vanishing point yes?
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: physical observer on February 21, 2017, 12:17:51 AM
"If you think it does I would love to hear your explanation for why we can see a star billions of light years away which surely is beyond the vanishing point yes?"

Yeah, I brought up the same point in my "conclusive proof" thread. All I heard was a bunch of:

Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: physical observer on February 21, 2017, 12:20:13 AM
Meanwhile, I can give plenty of videos on youtube ...
How about a ship that is visibly 'sunken' beyond the horizon that is restored to full height with increased magnification.  We all keep hearing about this, but have yet to see it.
That and as it is being restored with a variable zoom camera we should also see the amount that is hidden change.

Instead all we get are videos where boat is below the resolution of the camera while zoomed out (but not actually over the horizon and is still visible to the eye) that they then zoom in on.

Gee, is your ship falling off the edge of the horizon?
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: sir_awesome123 on February 21, 2017, 12:25:39 AM
Meanwhile, I can give plenty of videos on youtube ...
How about a ship that is visibly 'sunken' beyond the horizon that is restored to full height with increased magnification.  We all keep hearing about this, but have yet to see it.
That and as it is being restored with a variable zoom camera we should also see the amount that is hidden change.

Instead all we get are videos where boat is below the resolution of the camera while zoomed out (but not actually over the horizon and is still visible to the eye) that they then zoom in on.

Gee, is your ship moving over the horizon?

fixed that for ya
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: physical observer on February 21, 2017, 12:42:11 AM
Meanwhile, I can give plenty of videos on youtube ...
How about a ship that is visibly 'sunken' beyond the horizon that is restored to full height with increased magnification.  We all keep hearing about this, but have yet to see it.

Yeah, changing what other people say is about all ya got, isn't it?
That and as it is being restored with a variable zoom camera we should also see the amount that is hidden change.

Instead all we get are videos where boat is below the resolution of the camera while zoomed out (but not actually over the horizon and is still visible to the eye) that they then zoom in on.

Gee, is your ship moving over the horizon?

fixed that for ya
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: JackBlack on February 21, 2017, 12:54:22 AM
"If you think it does I would love to hear your explanation for why we can see a star billions of light years away which surely is beyond the vanishing point yes?"

Yeah, I brought up the same point in my "conclusive proof" thread. All I heard was a bunch of:



That was because you were the one needing to answer it, not us.
You are the one that needs to explain why we can see so far away, yet not so close on Earth, as if Earth is flat, we should be able to.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: frenat on February 21, 2017, 05:09:15 AM
Meanwhile, I can give plenty of videos on youtube ...
How about a ship that is visibly 'sunken' beyond the horizon that is restored to full height with increased magnification.  We all keep hearing about this, but have yet to see it.
That and as it is being restored with a variable zoom camera we should also see the amount that is hidden change.

Instead all we get are videos where boat is below the resolution of the camera while zoomed out (but not actually over the horizon and is still visible to the eye) that they then zoom in on.

Gee, is your ship falling off the edge of the horizon?
Thank you for proving you are unable to read and comprehend.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: 29silhouette on February 21, 2017, 06:48:43 PM
Meanwhile, I can give plenty of videos on youtube ...
How about a ship that is visibly 'sunken' beyond the horizon that is restored to full height with increased magnification.  We all keep hearing about this, but have yet to see it.
That and as it is being restored with a variable zoom camera we should also see the amount that is hidden change.

Instead all we get are videos where boat is below the resolution of the camera while zoomed out (but not actually over the horizon and is still visible to the eye) that they then zoom in on.

Gee, is your ship falling off the edge of the horizon?
No, it's going over the horizon.  Someone on that ship would, in turn, see my location disappearing from the bottom up behind the horizon.  Is a ball really that complicated?
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: sir_awesome123 on February 22, 2017, 02:01:12 AM
Meanwhile, I can give plenty of videos on youtube ...
How about a ship that is visibly 'sunken' beyond the horizon that is restored to full height with increased magnification.  We all keep hearing about this, but have yet to see it.
That and as it is being restored with a variable zoom camera we should also see the amount that is hidden change.

Instead all we get are videos where boat is below the resolution of the camera while zoomed out (but not actually over the horizon and is still visible to the eye) that they then zoom in on.

Gee, is your ship falling off the edge of the horizon?
No, it's going over the horizon.  Someone on that ship would, in turn, see my location disappearing from the bottom up behind the horizon.  Is a ball really that complicated?

if you spent years of your life convinced the government is lying to everyone and researching the "real" state of the world, thus convincing yourself that you are one of the few free thinkers in a world full of sheeple. would you give up that mental superiority because you were proven wrong by a dude on the internet?
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: physical observer on February 22, 2017, 04:27:07 AM
Meanwhile, I can give plenty of videos on youtube ...
How about a ship that is visibly 'sunken' beyond the horizon that is restored to full height with increased magnification.  We all keep hearing about this, but have yet to see it.
That and as it is being restored with a variable zoom camera we should also see the amount that is hidden change.

Instead all we get are videos where boat is below the resolution of the camera while zoomed out (but not actually over the horizon and is still visible to the eye) that they then zoom in on.

Gee, is your ship falling off the edge of the horizon?
No, it's going over the horizon.  Someone on that ship would, in turn, see my location disappearing from the bottom up behind the horizon.  Is a ball really that complicated?

Can a ship go over a horizontal flat horizon? Horizons are ALWAYS horizontal and flat. Water is ALWAYS levels across the surface once it fills a void. There are other better explanations as to why we loose sight of ships on the ocean, Watch a train on a level straight track disappear from your sight for the clues!

"Is a ball really that complicated?"

It requires a lot more complicated excuses, that's for sure! We can go out in nature and actually experience a motionless flat earth, it doesn't need assumptions. Occam's Razor states a reality needs, "no more assumptions than are necessary." A spinning speeding spherical earth needs a whole train load of assumptions for its support. A motionless flat earth needs zero assumptions, we can actually experience it!




Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: physical observer on February 22, 2017, 04:38:42 AM
Meanwhile, I can give plenty of videos on youtube ...
How about a ship that is visibly 'sunken' beyond the horizon that is restored to full height with increased magnification.  We all keep hearing about this, but have yet to see it.
That and as it is being restored with a variable zoom camera we should also see the amount that is hidden change.

Instead all we get are videos where boat is below the resolution of the camera while zoomed out (but not actually over the horizon and is still visible to the eye) that they then zoom in on.

Gee, is your ship falling off the edge of the horizon?
No, it's going over the horizon.  Someone on that ship would, in turn, see my location disappearing from the bottom up behind the horizon.  Is a ball really that complicated?

if you spent years of your life convinced the government is lying to everyone and researching the "real" state of the world, thus convincing yourself that you are one of the few free thinkers in a world full of sheeple. would you give up that mental superiority because you were proven wrong by a dude on the internet?

Wow, this blind fool thinks the governments do not lie!
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: sir_awesome123 on February 22, 2017, 08:19:42 AM
Meanwhile, I can give plenty of videos on youtube ...
How about a ship that is visibly 'sunken' beyond the horizon that is restored to full height with increased magnification.  We all keep hearing about this, but have yet to see it.
That and as it is being restored with a variable zoom camera we should also see the amount that is hidden change.

Instead all we get are videos where boat is below the resolution of the camera while zoomed out (but not actually over the horizon and is still visible to the eye) that they then zoom in on.

Gee, is your ship falling off the edge of the horizon?
No, it's going over the horizon.  Someone on that ship would, in turn, see my location disappearing from the bottom up behind the horizon.  Is a ball really that complicated?

if you spent years of your life convinced the government is lying to everyone and researching the "real" state of the world, thus convincing yourself that you are one of the few free thinkers in a world full of sheeple. would you give up that mental superiority because you were proven wrong by a dude on the internet?

Wow, this blind fool thinks the governments do not lie!

don't put words in my mouth.

Meanwhile, I can give plenty of videos on youtube ...
How about a ship that is visibly 'sunken' beyond the horizon that is restored to full height with increased magnification.  We all keep hearing about this, but have yet to see it.
That and as it is being restored with a variable zoom camera we should also see the amount that is hidden change.

Instead all we get are videos where boat is below the resolution of the camera while zoomed out (but not actually over the horizon and is still visible to the eye) that they then zoom in on.

Gee, is your ship falling off the edge of the horizon?
No, it's going over the horizon.  Someone on that ship would, in turn, see my location disappearing from the bottom up behind the horizon.  Is a ball really that complicated?

Can a ship go over a horizontal flat horizon? Horizons are ALWAYS horizontal and flat. Water is ALWAYS levels across the surface once it fills a void. There are other better explanations as to why we loose sight of ships on the ocean, Watch a train on a level straight track disappear from your sight for the clues!

"Is a ball really that complicated?"

It requires a lot more complicated excuses, that's for sure! We can go out in nature and actually experience a motionless flat earth, it doesn't need assumptions. Occam's Razor states a reality needs, "no more assumptions than are necessary." A spinning speeding spherical earth needs a whole train load of assumptions for its support. A motionless flat earth needs zero assumptions, we can actually experience it!





thats not true. water in free fall makes a tear drop shape, water in planes that dive to simulate 0g forms a perfect sphere due to surface tension. there is no law of physics that requires water to fill a space and create a flat surface. gravity holding water to the face of the earth is a model that works. there aren't any holes in that explanation, however water sitting on a FE works as well. there are many many aspects of FET that don't work within the real world, but the oceans aren't one of them.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: JackBlack on February 22, 2017, 12:25:43 PM
Can a ship go over a horizontal flat horizon? Horizons are ALWAYS horizontal and flat. Water is ALWAYS levels across the surface once it fills a void. There are other better explanations as to why we loose sight of ships on the ocean, Watch a train on a level straight track disappear from your sight for the clues!
Nope.
Has anyone ever conclusively demonstrated a horizon to be flat, or a surface of water to be flat? No.
Instead, as I explained before, all they can ever do is show it is flat within error.
You even went down that path yourself once when I demonstrated that the picture you provided did show a curve. Rather than accept the curve, you claimed it was an error due to waves.

Unfortuantely for you, all these pictures of the allegedly flat horizon, while matching a flat horizon within error, also match the expected curve. However there are plenty of pictures of horizons which show a round horizon, which do not match a flat horizon, not even within error.

Horizons, when purely based upon water, are always "horizontal", i.e. they follow the curve of Earth.
Water is always "level", i.e. it is at the same energetic potential.

The best explanation for why things disappear over the horizon (and the only one I have heard of which matches reality) is that they are disappearing behind the curve of Earth.

Perspective cannot explain it at all.
If Perspective caused it, the horizon would be at eye level, not below it, regardless of altitude, and objects would shrink to a point rather than disappear from the bottom up.


"Is a ball really that complicated?"

It requires a lot more complicated excuses, that's for sure! We can go out in nature and actually experience a motionless flat earth, it doesn't need assumptions. Occam's Razor states a reality needs, "no more assumptions than are necessary." A spinning speeding spherical earth needs a whole train load of assumptions for its support. A motionless flat earth needs zero assumptions, we can actually experience it!
No. It requires no excuses.
It is a stationary flat Earth that requires a multitude of excuses.
You cannot experience a motionless flat Earth.
There is nothing which allows you to distinguish between a motionless or moving Earth, or a flat or round Earth which indicates Earth is motionless and flat. But there is plenty which shows Earth to be round and moving.

Your flat Earth nonsense requires so many assumptions it isn't funny.


How about you start listing some of these assumptions required for a round Earth and explain why you think it needs it?
Or how about you provide actual evidence that Earth is motionless, explaining how it is capable of differentiating between a stationary Earth and a moving Earth (and no appealing to this wind BS unless you can tell us what is causing it, and remembering that that would be something external to Earth)?
Or how about you just go back and answer all the questions people have already asked rather than repeating the same refuted bullshit again and again?


Edit:
My bad, this isn't the thread for all that.
In this thread, just explain exactly how the ship disappears from the bottom up in your flat Earth model.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: physical observer on February 23, 2017, 05:11:28 AM
Can a ship go over a horizontal flat horizon? Horizons are ALWAYS horizontal and flat. Water is ALWAYS levels across the surface once it fills a void. There are other better explanations as to why we loose sight of ships on the ocean, Watch a train on a level straight track disappear from your sight for the clues!
Nope.
Has anyone ever conclusively demonstrated a horizon to be flat, or a surface of water to be flat? No.
Instead, as I explained before, all they can ever do is show it is flat within error.
You even went down that path yourself once when I demonstrated that the picture you provided did show a curve. Rather than accept the curve, you claimed it was an error due to waves.

Unfortuantely for you, all these pictures of the allegedly flat horizon, while matching a flat horizon within error, also match the expected curve. However there are plenty of pictures of horizons which show a round horizon, which do not match a flat horizon, not even within error.

Horizons, when purely based upon water, are always "horizontal", i.e. they follow the curve of Earth.
Water is always "level", i.e. it is at the same energetic potential.

The best explanation for why things disappear over the horizon (and the only one I have heard of which matches reality) is that they are disappearing behind the curve of Earth.

Perspective cannot explain it at all.
If Perspective caused it, the horizon would be at eye level, not below it, regardless of altitude, and objects would shrink to a point rather than disappear from the bottom up.


"Is a ball really that complicated?"

It requires a lot more complicated excuses, that's for sure! We can go out in nature and actually experience a motionless flat earth, it doesn't need assumptions. Occam's Razor states a reality needs, "no more assumptions than are necessary." A spinning speeding spherical earth needs a whole train load of assumptions for its support. A motionless flat earth needs zero assumptions, we can actually experience it!
No. It requires no excuses.
It is a stationary flat Earth that requires a multitude of excuses.
You cannot experience a motionless flat Earth.
There is nothing which allows you to distinguish between a motionless or moving Earth, or a flat or round Earth which indicates Earth is motionless and flat. But there is plenty which shows Earth to be round and moving.

Your flat Earth nonsense requires so many assumptions it isn't funny.


How about you start listing some of these assumptions required for a round Earth and explain why you think it needs it?
Or how about you provide actual evidence that Earth is motionless, explaining how it is capable of differentiating between a stationary Earth and a moving Earth (and no appealing to this wind BS unless you can tell us what is causing it, and remembering that that would be something external to Earth)?
Or how about you just go back and answer all the questions people have already asked rather than repeating the same refuted bullshit again and again?


Edit:
My bad, this isn't the thread for all that.
In this thread, just explain exactly how the ship disappears from the bottom up in your flat Earth model.

"It is a stationary flat Earth that requires a multitude of excuses."

I don't need an excuse as to why the ground feels motionless, spherical earth does. I don't need an excuse as to why water always levels off across its surface once it fills a void, spherical earth does. I don't need an excuse as to why we do not feel like we are speeding at millions of MPH, spherical earth does! I don't need an excuse as to how ships at sea disappear from view, spherical earth does. Where it really counts, earth's physical state, earth's physical condition, I need no excuses at all, it is spherical earth that is inventing all the excuses!
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: Badxtoss on February 23, 2017, 08:21:25 AM
Can a ship go over a horizontal flat horizon? Horizons are ALWAYS horizontal and flat. Water is ALWAYS levels across the surface once it fills a void. There are other better explanations as to why we loose sight of ships on the ocean, Watch a train on a level straight track disappear from your sight for the clues!
Nope.
Has anyone ever conclusively demonstrated a horizon to be flat, or a surface of water to be flat? No.
Instead, as I explained before, all they can ever do is show it is flat within error.
You even went down that path yourself once when I demonstrated that the picture you provided did show a curve. Rather than accept the curve, you claimed it was an error due to waves.

Unfortuantely for you, all these pictures of the allegedly flat horizon, while matching a flat horizon within error, also match the expected curve. However there are plenty of pictures of horizons which show a round horizon, which do not match a flat horizon, not even within error.

Horizons, when purely based upon water, are always "horizontal", i.e. they follow the curve of Earth.
Water is always "level", i.e. it is at the same energetic potential.

The best explanation for why things disappear over the horizon (and the only one I have heard of which matches reality) is that they are disappearing behind the curve of Earth.

Perspective cannot explain it at all.
If Perspective caused it, the horizon would be at eye level, not below it, regardless of altitude, and objects would shrink to a point rather than disappear from the bottom up.


"Is a ball really that complicated?"

It requires a lot more complicated excuses, that's for sure! We can go out in nature and actually experience a motionless flat earth, it doesn't need assumptions. Occam's Razor states a reality needs, "no more assumptions than are necessary." A spinning speeding spherical earth needs a whole train load of assumptions for its support. A motionless flat earth needs zero assumptions, we can actually experience it!
No. It requires no excuses.
It is a stationary flat Earth that requires a multitude of excuses.
You cannot experience a motionless flat Earth.
There is nothing which allows you to distinguish between a motionless or moving Earth, or a flat or round Earth which indicates Earth is motionless and flat. But there is plenty which shows Earth to be round and moving.

Your flat Earth nonsense requires so many assumptions it isn't funny.


How about you start listing some of these assumptions required for a round Earth and explain why you think it needs it?
Or how about you provide actual evidence that Earth is motionless, explaining how it is capable of differentiating between a stationary Earth and a moving Earth (and no appealing to this wind BS unless you can tell us what is causing it, and remembering that that would be something external to Earth)?
Or how about you just go back and answer all the questions people have already asked rather than repeating the same refuted bullshit again and again?


Edit:
My bad, this isn't the thread for all that.
In this thread, just explain exactly how the ship disappears from the bottom up in your flat Earth model.

"It is a stationary flat Earth that requires a multitude of excuses."

I don't need an excuse as to why the ground feels motionless, spherical earth does. I don't need an excuse as to why water always levels off across its surface once it fills a void, spherical earth does. I don't need an excuse as to why we do not feel like we are speeding at millions of MPH, spherical earth does! I don't need an excuse as to how ships at sea disappear from view, spherical earth does. Where it really counts, earth's physical state, earth's physical condition, I need no excuses at all, it is spherical earth that is inventing all the excuses!
Ok so why does a ship disappear from the bottom up?  What does light from sunrise hit the top of a mountain first, or the underside of clouds?
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: JackBlack on February 23, 2017, 12:48:53 PM
"It is a stationary flat Earth that requires a multitude of excuses."

I don't need an excuse as to why the ground feels motionless, spherical earth does. I don't need an excuse as to why water always levels off across its surface once it fills a void, spherical earth does. I don't need an excuse as to why we do not feel like we are speeding at millions of MPH, spherical earth does! I don't need an excuse as to how ships at sea disappear from view, spherical earth does. Where it really counts, earth's physical state, earth's physical condition, I need no excuses at all, it is spherical earth that is inventing all the excuses!
This has been explained to you so many times it isn't funny.
Are you really too stupid to understand or do you just wish to keep on lying?

Neither Earth needs an excuse as to why the ground feels motionless and feels like it is moving at 99% of the speed of light. That is because the 2 are indistinguishable from one another. (and your millions of MPH was shown to be bullshit).

Neither Earth needs an excuse for why water behaves the way it does.
Again, your simple observations cannot distinguish between the 2 options. The error is too great.

However, you do need an excuse for all the photos showing a curved horizon or water surface.

Yes, you do need an excuse for how ships disappear at sea, a spherical Earth doesn't.
For a spherical Earth, it disappears, from the bottom up, as it goes over/past the horizon. As it does so, Earth gets in the way of viewing the ship, starting at the bottom and working its way up.

Flat Earth has no explanation for this.
All they can do is lie and make up shit about perspective and the like.
All perspective does is make an object shrink. It doesn't make it disappear from the bottom up.

So no, a round Earth doesn't need excuses. A flat Earth does.

And that is just the beginning.
A round Earth needs no excuses for the apparent motion of the stars (including the sun) and the planets.
A flat Earth does as there is no explanation for their apparent position, them disappearing (or not being observable), and their motion which acts differently in the north and south.
The same is true for other effects, like how sundials, especially equatorial sundials work (although that is mainly based upon the position of the sun so you could consider that as the same thing).
And then you have large scale weather patterns, Foucault's pendulum, gyroscopes.
Then you have distances not adding up on a flat Earth

A Flat Earth needs so many excuses it isn't funny.
The only "excuses" a round Earth needs is that Earth is round, rotating about its axis and orbiting the sun.
No other excuses are necessary.

You have been asked for explanations for several of these things and are yet to provide them.
You have also been asked repeatedly for evidence of your claims, and are yet to provide any.

As this thread is on ships disappearing behind the horizon, how about you start with that?
Explain, in detail, how it works on a flat Earth, no excuses.

I can do the same for a round Earth if you like.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: 29silhouette on February 23, 2017, 07:14:28 PM


Can a ship go over a horizontal flat horizon?
No.  It's level, but not flat.

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Horizons are ALWAYS horizontal and flat.
Not flat.

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Water is ALWAYS levels across the surface once it fills a void.
Yes.  And?

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There are other better explanations as to why we loose sight of ships on the ocean, Watch a train on a level straight track disappear from your sight for the clues!
So a level stretch of track that maintains a constant elevation, just like a body of relativly calm water on a globe.  What are the other better explanations?

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"Is a ball really that complicated?"

It requires a lot more complicated excuses, that's for sure!
No, not really. 

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We can go out in nature and actually experience a motionless flat earth, it doesn't need assumptions.
No, not really.

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Occam's Razor states a reality needs, "no more assumptions than are necessary." A spinning speeding spherical earth needs a whole train load of assumptions for its support.
Such as?

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A motionless flat earth needs zero assumptions, we can actually experience it!
No, and it requires several assumptions.  For example, on a flat Earth, why doesn't the moon get smaller toward rise and set, and how does everyone see the same face of it?
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on February 24, 2017, 07:10:51 AM
Occam's Razor states a reality needs, "no more assumptions than are necessary."
No, it does not.  Not even vaguely close.

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In science, Occam's razor is used as a heuristic technique (discovery tool) to guide scientists in the development of theoretical models, rather than as an arbiter between published models.[1][2] In the scientific method, Occam's razor is not considered an irrefutable principle of logic or a scientific result; the preference for simplicity in the scientific method is based on the falsifiability criterion. For each accepted explanation of a phenomenon, there may be an extremely large, perhaps even incomprehensible, number of possible and more complex alternatives, because one can always burden failing explanations with ad hoc hypotheses to prevent them from being falsified; therefore, simpler theories are preferable to more complex ones because they are more testable.[3][4][5]
From the wiki.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: yash on April 29, 2017, 12:43:23 AM
I riddle you this FE'ers. How can a ship dip below the horizon if the earth is flat?

I have personally seen a ship go over the horizon with a telescope. It is quite fascinating to see the ship gradually sink lower and lower on the horizon till it disappears.

This is of course only one of the many holes in your theory, but I would still like to see what the believers in here have to say about it. Please to not direct me to your obscure and false FAQ or some other thread. Prove me wrong, or fail trying. 8)

Hey friend, I am with your point, but this reason can not be satisfying that earth is round or flat
because
even if there is no longer distance and the ground remaining flat the things still seem to converge to ground.
image 1
(http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/img/fig75.jpg)
havent you seen this
type of illusion, it is everywhere around you.
(http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/img/fig76.jpg)
it is
just a matter
of perspective
(http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/img/fig77.jpg)

The ship sailing does not proves round earth, and also the bending towards the ground of the non distant objects proves flat earthers' point of them that we are given wrong and incomplete knowledge of the world by our schools.
Little Knowlegde is dangerous!
Please do not become angry with my point rather try to understand it, it's a request, whether you agree or not reply it in a cooler and understanding manner rather than being agressive and challenging against flat earther.
I am not with both round and flat, I am with truth.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: JackBlack on April 29, 2017, 02:28:23 AM
Hey friend, I am with your point, but this reason can not be satisfying that earth is round or flat
because
even if there is no longer distance and the ground remaining flat the things still seem to converge to ground.
Yes, converge to the ground, where they shrink as they get further away (and not necessarily the ground, just whatever they are near).
But that doesn't mean they disappear from the bottom up.


havent you seen this
type of illusion, it is everywhere around you.
Yes, because Earth is round, and results in the bottom of objects disappearing before the tops.

If it was a matter of perspective, the objects would appear to shrink until you couldn't see them anymore, not disappear over the horizon.

The image you provided is quite dishonest in its representation, fixing the line of sight to parallel to the ground. It isn't always.

The ship sailing does not proves round earth
It disappearing over the horizon does.

the bending towards the ground of the non distant objects
Care to give an example of this?

proves flat earthers' point of them that we are given wrong and incomplete knowledge of the world by our schools.
No, the baseless claims of FEers are not proof of anything except their desperation.

Little Knowlegde is dangerous!
And that is exactly what the FEers have, a little bit of knowledge, and that is what they hope their prey has.
That way, they can use made up crap to pretend things, like pretending perspective makes things disappear from the bottom up.

Please do not become angry with my point rather try to understand it
Then explain how perspective makes objects disappear from the bottom up.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: Jonny B Smart on April 29, 2017, 04:47:35 AM
The Sun at 3,000 miles up (supposedly) would never set if the Earth were flat. Perspective would never get it below an angle of 20 degrees.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: 29silhouette on April 29, 2017, 09:38:28 AM
I don't need an excuse as to why the ground feels motionless, spherical earth does. I don't need an excuse as to why water always levels off across its surface once it fills a void, spherical earth does. I don't need an excuse as to why we do not feel like we are speeding at millions of MPH, spherical earth does! I don't need an excuse as to how ships at sea disappear from view, spherical earth does. Where it really counts, earth's physical state, earth's physical condition, I need no excuses at all, it is spherical earth that is inventing all the excuses!
If you were to ask someone how an internal-combustion engine works, and they explain it to you, would you consider that an 'excuse' also?
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: JackBlack on April 29, 2017, 02:40:59 PM
I don't need an excuse as to why the ground feels motionless, spherical earth does. I don't need an excuse as to why water always levels off across its surface once it fills a void, spherical earth does. I don't need an excuse as to why we do not feel like we are speeding at millions of MPH, spherical earth does! I don't need an excuse as to how ships at sea disappear from view, spherical earth does. Where it really counts, earth's physical state, earth's physical condition, I need no excuses at all, it is spherical earth that is inventing all the excuses!
If you were to ask someone how an internal-combustion engine works, and they explain it to you, would you consider that an 'excuse' also?

Of course.
All that crap about fuel air mixtures, pistons, sparks for ignition, crank shafts and so on are all obviously pathetic excuses.
They clearly work by a bunch of tiny horses on tiny hamster wheels. Why do you think they classify them by horsepower? It's the number of tiny horses they have.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: Aviation enthusiast on April 29, 2017, 08:22:45 PM
I riddle you this FE'ers. How can a ship dip below the horizon if the earth is flat?

I have personally seen a ship go over the horizon with a telescope. It is quite fascinating to see the ship gradually sink lower and lower on the horizon till it disappears.

This is of course only one of the many holes in your theory, but I would still like to see what the believers in here have to say about it. Please to not direct me to your obscure and false FAQ or some other thread. Prove me wrong, or fail trying. 8)

Meanwhile, I can give plenty of videos on youtube that we all can watch that disproves your "false News" claim. Funny, why didn't you record your event for all to see? "False news", "false news", "false news"!

Here are a few of those videos:







Now, lets see your video where a ship dips over the alleged curvature of the ocean. Just keep in mind bunky, water becomes horizontally flat once it fills a void, your curvature claim is garbage!



Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: JackSchitt on April 30, 2017, 03:32:15 AM
I may have missed the gun here but I'm going to bring up something about this that has bugged me for ages.

When we talk about the ship on the horizon we talk about a literal ship miles out where it goes over the horizon

However FE take that as you should be able to replicate this with smaller boats. Which in theory you can, only due to the size of them you lose them out of your focal range before they make it to the curvature, so of course when you take out the telescope you can bring the whole thing back.

So in order for you to do this properly you need to look at something that is the size of a laden cargo ship or a cruise ship, this way it is still just about in your focal range when it crosses the horizon so when you zoom in you only see part.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: rabinoz on April 30, 2017, 04:05:11 AM
I may have missed the gun here but I'm going to bring up something about this that has bugged me for ages.

When we talk about the ship on the horizon we talk about a literal ship miles out where it goes over the horizon

However FE take that as you should be able to replicate this with smaller boats. Which in theory you can, only due to the size of them you lose them out of your focal range before they make it to the curvature, so of course when you take out the telescope you can bring the whole thing back.

So in order for you to do this properly you need to look at something that is the size of a laden cargo ship or a cruise ship, this way it is still just about in your focal range when it crosses the horizon so when you zoom in you only see part.
This sort of thing?  Is the "Diamond Princess" big enough?
(http://i1075.photobucket.com/albums/w433/RabDownunder/Diamond%20Princess%202%20leaving%20Harbour_zpsoryggtwy.jpg)
Diamond Princess leaving Harbour
 
(http://i1075.photobucket.com/albums/w433/RabDownunder/Diamond%20Princess%205%20more%20over%20horizon_zps0rbx6wtu.jpg)
Diamond Princess partly over horizon
(http://i1075.photobucket.com/albums/w433/RabDownunder/Diamond%20Princess%207%20framed%20for%20overlay_zpsbpodfstv.jpg)
Diamond Princess well over horizon (framed for overlay)
 
(http://i1075.photobucket.com/albums/w433/RabDownunder/Diamond%20Princess%208%20as%207%20original%20ship%20overlayed_zpsjab4t9lj.jpg)
Diamond Princess original ship overlayed on prev picture
This is a long video from the same location, though different ship:
Flat Earth Debunked - Cruise Ship March 27 2016, Dazzathecameraman
(http://)
There's much more where that came from about horizons.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: Googleotomy on April 30, 2017, 07:54:04 AM
I think if you ever mentioned that you could restore a ship that had disappeared over the horizon with a telescope to a sailor, you would get some weird looks.
I never was a real sailor, but I met a lot of them when I was in the Navy.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: Googleotomy on April 30, 2017, 07:57:09 AM
I live on Oahu, so I've seen ships on the horizon all the time.  The best evidence against this is when you see a ship traveling "sideways" on the horizon with half of the boat appearing to be underwater.  What explains that, besides "believing is seeing"?
The ship would be on the horizon, but not beyond it.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: Googleotomy on April 30, 2017, 08:01:17 AM
I riddle you this FE'ers. How can a ship dip below the horizon if the earth is flat?

I have personally seen a ship go over the horizon with a telescope. It is quite fascinating to see the ship gradually sink lower and lower on the horizon till it disappears.

This is of course only one of the many holes in your theory, but I would still like to see what the believers in here have to say about it. Please to not direct me to your obscure and false FAQ or some other thread. Prove me wrong, or fail trying. 8)

I have never observed such a thing. I BELIEVED I did, before I broke through the brainwashing and started looking at what was actually there, and not what I was brainwashed to "see."

There must be a lot of brain washed lookouts in a lot of Navies.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: e.d.skovbo on May 02, 2017, 10:16:01 AM
I riddle you this FE'ers. How can a ship dip below the horizon if the earth is flat?

I have personally seen a ship go over the horizon with a telescope. It is quite fascinating to see the ship gradually sink lower and lower on the horizon till it disappears.

This is of course only one of the many holes in your theory, but I would still like to see what the believers in here have to say about it. Please to not direct me to your obscure and false FAQ or some other thread. Prove me wrong, or fail trying. 8)

I have never observed such a thing. I BELIEVED I did, before I broke through the brainwashing and started looking at what was actually there, and not what I was brainwashed to "see."

Hmm ... Here ya go!



#65279;


Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: konrad166 on May 05, 2017, 06:16:51 PM
(https://richedwardsimagery.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/the-view-looking-southeast-over-our-ship-docked-on-the-schelde-river-to-the-waterfront-and-historic-center-of-antwerp-with-the-magnificent-soaring-cathedral-of-our-lady_s-spire-on.jpg?w=584)
See the curvature ? explain please.

Do i have to bring up the Felix Baumgartner Jump ? or do you think thats all fake like the moon landing ? And All the sponsors are part of a "secret society" ?
How does GPS work ? Look out the window and see the sun or the moon, are they flat ? Why can we travel AROUND the world? not to china and back, but actually AROUND it?
Oh, and have you ever been on a plane ? lol

And just in case you want to fly around the world by yourself:
http://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/technology/internet/with-the-new-google-earth-you-can-fly-around-the-world/article18108742.ece (http://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/technology/internet/with-the-new-google-earth-you-can-fly-around-the-world/article18108742.ece)

P.S. SpaceX Will be real soon, hope you have set aside some cash :)
http://www.space.com/35844-elon-musk-spacex-announcement-today.html (http://www.space.com/35844-elon-musk-spacex-announcement-today.html)

And why would someone hide from us that the earth is flat ? What would be the benefit of it
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on May 06, 2017, 01:07:09 PM
(https://richedwardsimagery.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/the-view-looking-southeast-over-our-ship-docked-on-the-schelde-river-to-the-waterfront-and-historic-center-of-antwerp-with-the-magnificent-soaring-cathedral-of-our-lady_s-spire-on.jpg?w=584)
See the curvature ? explain please.
You can't see curvature from that height, it's a lens effect.  How about from a Japanese meteorological satellite instead:

(http://www.jma.go.jp/en/gms/imgs/6/infrared/1/201705062000-00.png)
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: AlphaSailor on May 07, 2017, 11:09:44 PM
I am an actual merchant mariner who actual sails on large commercial vessels.  I've come here to admit that nearby every major port the US government has installed massive ship elevators that make ships appear to sink once they are outside of most peoples perception.  This is assisted by the ships crew taking on ballast water at the same.  On rare occasions when the elevators are not working the ship will actually scuttle itself if anybody is watching. 

But in all seriousness if the earth is flat then why can you see further when you go up higher?  What advantage would you get from having the bridge be on the top of a ship?  Obviously we crafty sailors put the spot we look out from at the top of the ship so we can see roughly 10-15 miles out (depending on ship height).  If you go down to the main deck of most ships you can hardly see anything.  Also note that the bridge can see ships/land/buildings sooner than a watch set on the main deck (assuming it isn't a RORO vessel)

Also take note that ships are not as good at finding life rafts as helicopters are. 
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: rabinoz on May 08, 2017, 05:07:59 AM
I am an actual merchant mariner who actual sails on large commercial vessels.  I've come here to admit that nearby every major port the US government has installed massive ship elevators that make ships appear to sink once they are outside of most peoples perception.  This is assisted by the ships crew taking on ballast water at the same.  On rare occasions when the elevators are not working the ship will actually scuttle itself if anybody is watching. 

But in all seriousness if the earth is flat then why can you see further when you go up higher?  What advantage would you get from having the bridge be on the top of a ship?  Obviously we crafty sailors put the spot we look out from at the top of the ship so we can see roughly 10-15 miles out (depending on ship height).  If you go down to the main deck of most ships you can hardly see anything.  Also note that the bridge can see ships/land/buildings sooner than a watch set on the main deck (assuming it isn't a RORO vessel)

Also take note that ships are not as good at finding life rafts as helicopters are.
Maybe the first part of your post  :P explains  :P what happens to the container ship seeming "lower down" than the much smaller fishing boat at 3:29 in this video.

SHIPS OVER THE HORIZON - PART 1 : CONTAINER SHIP (FLAT EARTH) Matrix Decode
Matrix Decode is a well known Flat Earth photographer and producer of YouTube videos, but he does provide quite a bit of evidence for the Globe!
Even from 0:36 the ship seems a bit over the horizon, by 2:55 most of the hull has disappeared.
Then at 3:20 just the superstructure shows and a much smaller fishing about on the horizon comes in.

By 4:45 the ship has all but disappeared and another fishing boat comes past the line of sight.
What makes the video so convincing is that the trawlers and ship are in line,
yet the smaller trawlers are completely visible and the more distant larger ship gets hidden.

And finally at 7:45 after the ship has disappeared he puts up this closing screen:
(http://i1075.photobucket.com/albums/w433/RabDownunder/Horizon/20170508%20-%20Matrix%20Decode%20-%20Ship%20behind%20Horizon_zpsu2f2viah.png)
I have noticed this before with Matrix Decode, though he tries to prove the flat earth,
if his video seems to show some other conclusion, he does not hesitate to say so.
See Flat Earth Q&A / Re: distance to the sun Message by rabinoz on January 25, 2017, 01:29:22 PM (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=69043.msg1863021;topicseen#msg1863021) for some more out of his videos.
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: Googleotomy on May 08, 2017, 08:07:40 PM
I am an actual merchant mariner who actual sails on large commercial vessels.  I've come here to admit that nearby every major port the US government has installed massive ship elevators that make ships appear to sink once they are outside of most peoples perception.  This is assisted by the ships crew taking on ballast water at the same.  On rare occasions when the elevators are not working the ship will actually scuttle itself if anybody is watching. 

But in all seriousness if the earth is flat then why can you see further when you go up higher?  What advantage would you get from having the bridge be on the top of a ship?  Obviously we crafty sailors put the spot we look out from at the top of the ship so we can see roughly 10-15 miles out (depending on ship height).  If you go down to the main deck of most ships you can hardly see anything.  Also note that the bridge can see ships/land/buildings sooner than a watch set on the main deck (assuming it isn't a RORO vessel)

Also take note that ships are not as good at finding life rafts as helicopters are.

What advantage would you have by having the crow's nest higher than thr bridge ?
Title: Re: The good ol' ship disappearing over the horizon question.
Post by: AlphaSailor on May 09, 2017, 03:50:56 AM
Well commercial ships don't really utilize a crows nest for the most part, that job has basically been taken by radar.  But yes the idea is essentially the same as to why the bridge is at the highest level of a ship.