It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship

Anyhoo; despite the seeming determination of chtwrone & all the M-people to turn every single thread on this site into a debate about people on skateboards, I'd still like some response to this:

I suggest that the blob of light in the sky that space-tards claim is the lol-tastic & impossible ISS could in fact be an ER-2 high altitude jet fitted out with suitably high-powered LEDs.

All it has to do is fly lower & slower in order to roughly match the alleged 'orbit' of the laughably implausible ISS & voila; fake space station.

After all, the few remaining NASA-huggers are so retarded they'd believe anything...

Anyone care to logically refute my hypothesis?

In fact, has anyone here actually clearly seen the ISS themselves through their 'telescopes' (lol)?

I look forward to mocking your asinine & robotic wiki-spam answers...

Thank You!

Quote from: markjo on November 16, 2015, 06:46:56 AM

By the way, doe this mean that you finally accept that work can be done in a rocket engine before the exhaust hits the vacuum of space?

You really do need to stop channelling Lewis Carroll, old bean, as well as learn how to spell a simple word like 'does'; it makes you look more than a little odd.

Does the vacuum of space somehow sense that it's at the entrance of the rocket nozzle in your funny little Wonderland World & say 'No; I'd best not go in there; that would be rude'?

& even if the rocket did work, what Reaction could it produce from creating an Action against the very definition of Nothing At All?

Really; you could stop all this self-humiliation by simply learning how to apply Newton's laws of Motion correctly & boning up on Joules Expansion & Pressure Gradient Forces somewhat.

As for 'regenerative cooling'; as applied by NASA's 'rokkit-enjynneerz' it is a ridiculous concept, as we will see once you have spammed the numbers I requested: the temperature of an oxy-acetylene cutter's flame & melting temperature of stainless steel please!

As the Raown Derfers refuse to play (I wonder why?), here are some numbers; you do the sums...

Burn-time of J2 Apollo engine: 8 minutes.

Temp. of combustion chamber in J2 Apollo engine: 3500C.

Temp. of oxy-acetylene cutter torch: 3500C.

Melting point of stainless steel: 1600C max.

Metal the J2 combustion chamber is made of: stainless steel.

Thickness of stainless steel in J2 combustion chamber: 0.03 millimetres. That's right: one third of a millimetre.

Temp. of liquid hydrogen: -253C.

Temp. of liquid oxygen: -193C.

Do the math; laugh the laugh.

Thickness of stainless steel in J2 combustion chamber: 0.03 millimetres. That's right: one third of a millimetre.
Temp. of liquid hydrogen: -253C.
Temp. of liquid oxygen: -193C.
Do the math; laugh the laugh.

As the Raown Derfers refuse to play (I wonder why?), here are some numbers; you do the sums...

Burn-time of J2 Apollo engine: 8 minutes.

Temp. of combustion chamber in J2 Apollo engine: 3500C.

Temp. of oxy-acetylene cutter torch: 3500C.

Melting point of stainless steel: 1600C max.

Metal the J2 combustion chamber is made of: stainless steel.

Thickness of stainless steel in J2 combustion chamber: 0.03 millimetres. That's right: one third of a millimetre.

Temp. of liquid hydrogen: -253C.

Temp. of liquid oxygen: -193C.

Do the math; laugh the laugh.

Suggested experiment to test possibility of 'regenerative cooling' functioning as claimed: take oxy-acetylene cutter & apply to the cylinder of LOX it comes with for 8 minutes.

Observe results.

If alive afterwards - shpaaaaaayzzze-eckspurayshunnn!!!!!










Christ Almighty, what idiots you all are.

If you actually read whichever article you quoted the J2 thickness from then actually it is constructed from 0.3m thickness tubes not plate.

Quote from: Mainframes on November 16, 2015, 03:53:44 PM

If you actually read whichever article you quoted the J2 thickness from then actually it is constructed from 0.3m thickness tubes not plate.

LULZ!!!

Walter 'Mainframes' Mitty brings the comedy gold again!

33 centimeter thick stainless steel tubes - LMFAO!!!

& how do you know what article I read anyhow?

Are you psychic now, as well as psychotic?

No; the article I read clearly said the tube walls were 0.3 millimetres thick, which is about right for lightweight steel tubing.

& if any of you Raown Derfers seriously think for one single second that steel tubing that thin could withstand the equivalent temperature of an oxy-acetylene cutting torch being played on it for 8 minutes solid, whilst only being cooled down internally by 250C at most, you are insane.

3500C minus 250C = 3250C.

ALL stainless steel melts at 1600C max.

3250C minus 1600C = 1650C.

So; that's 1650C you still need to dispose of... Care to explain how?

Of course, I'd just prefer you try the experiment I suggested; make sure you video it & leave instructions to someone who can post your fiery & explosive death on youtube mind...

We'll all enjoy that!

Toodle-pip, Losers; see you soon...

Until then; Carry On Lying!

The ignited exhaust might be very hot but it is also gaseous/vapour at this point and therefore actually has a low heat capacity compared to the cryogenic coolants which are liquid.

Quote from: Mainframes on November 17, 2015, 04:25:03 AM

The ignited exhaust might be very hot but it is also gaseous/vapour at this point and therefore actually has a low heat capacity compared to the cryogenic coolants which are liquid.

So the exhaust is exactly like the flame of an oxy-acetylene cutter & the coolants are exactly like the contents of a LOX cylinder.

Ergo, my experiment still stands.

So; off you toddle & get it done - remember to set the camera at a safe distance!

You Raown Derfers really don't have much practical experience of anything at all, do you?

& if any of you Raown Derfers seriously think for one single second that steel tubing that thin could withstand the equivalent temperature of an oxy-acetylene cutting torch being played on it for 8 minutes solid, whilst only being cooled down internally by 250C at most, you are insane.

Quote from: Mainframes on November 17, 2015, 04:25:03 AM

The ignited exhaust might be very hot but it is also gaseous/vapour at this point and therefore actually has a low heat capacity compared to the cryogenic coolants which are liquid.

So the exhaust is exactly like the flame of an oxy-acetylene cutter & the coolants are exactly like the contents of a LOX cylinder.

Ergo, my experiment still stands.

So; off you toddle & get it done - remember to set the camera at a safe distance!

You Raown Derfers really don't have much practical experience of anything at all, do you?

Quote from: Papa Legba on November 17, 2015, 04:38:22 AM

Quote from: Mainframes on November 17, 2015, 04:25:03 AM

The ignited exhaust might be very hot but it is also gaseous/vapour at this point and therefore actually has a low heat capacity compared to the cryogenic coolants which are liquid.

So the exhaust is exactly like the flame of an oxy-acetylene cutter & the coolants are exactly like the contents of a LOX cylinder.

Ergo, my experiment still stands.

So; off you toddle & get it done - remember to set the camera at a safe distance!

You Raown Derfers really don't have much practical experience of anything at all, do you?

Have you ever boiled water in a paper cup?

Yay!

All three of the stooges are here - Larry, Curly & Moe!

All trying to tell me that a Three-and-a-half-THOUSAND degree celsius jet of flame can be played upon a steel tube as thin as a piece of paper for over 8 minutes with No Problems Whatsoever...

It'll work JUUUUST FINE.

LMFAO!!!

What's even funnier is the choice of coolant for your ridiculous 'regenerative cooling' concept: Hydrogen gas, one of the most volatile substances imaginable, mixed with Oxygen to make it even more dangerous...

Cos yeah; THAT'S a good idea!

Honestly; have any of you done any welding?

No - don't answer that!

You'll just Pretend you're the Emeritus Professor of Welding, Cutting, Brazing & Soldering at the University of Mydadsbiggerthanyourdad in Gobbledy-gookshire or something...

Jesus Christ, you're beyond redemption ain't you?

& sock-arul; boiling water in a paper cup?

Really?

ROFLMFAO!!!

Fantastic... Oh, deary me, let me dry my eyes...

Anyhoo; we'll move on to De Laval nozzles soon, when your next Three Stooges slapstick act is done.

Until then; Carry On Lying!

You didnt answer to my question, Papa.

Have you ever tries welding a piece of metal that has the other end stuck in a bucket of ice cold water? Try it. I guarantee that the acetylene torch will not cut the metal as too much heat will be drawn away into the water. Once the water has boiled off then the acetylene will cut the metal.

Have you ever tries welding a piece of metal that has the other end stuck in a bucket of ice cold water? Try it. I guarantee that the acetylene torch will not cut the metal as too much heat will be drawn away into the water. Once the water has boiled off then the acetylene will cut the metal.

What's even funnier is the choice of coolant for your ridiculous 'regenerative cooling' concept: Hydrogen gas, one of the most volatile substances imaginable, mixed with Oxygen to make it even more dangerous...

Honestly; have any of you done any welding?

You'll just Pretend you're the Emeritus Professor of Welding, Cutting, Brazing & Soldering at the University of Mydadsbiggerthanyourdad in Gobbledy-gookshire or something...

& sock-arul; boiling water in a paper cup?

Really?

Anyhoo; we'll move on to De Laval nozzles soon, when your next Three Stooges slapstick act is done.

So, then, we are to assume that the problem with regenerative cooling is just the numbers?

Quote from: Conker on November 17, 2015, 04:20:07 PM

So, then, we are to assume that the problem with regenerative cooling is just the numbers?

Nope.

You really do need to learn to read.

My problem with being told that a paper-thin steel tube filled with one of the most combustible substances in existence is capable of being blasted by a hypersonic jet of gases heated to 3,500C for over 8 minutes without it melting & exploding is that it is complete bullshit & physically impossible.

You can keep telling me that it isn't until you're blue in the face; I understand that you are all Liars & that Lying is your purpose here...

But it won't make it True.

Nothing will.

So; Carry On Lying!

Quote from: Mainframes on November 17, 2015, 07:49:58 AM

Have you ever tries welding a piece of metal that has the other end stuck in a bucket of ice cold water? Try it. I guarantee that the acetylene torch will not cut the metal as too much heat will be drawn away into the water. Once the water has boiled off then the acetylene will cut the metal.

Shitpost!

Remember saying this, Walter Mitty?

Seems like tappet spotted it too; anyone who's ever done any welding will know, beyond all doubt, that you are a complete buffoon & not to be taken seriously, by anyone, ever again, ever.

Quote from: tappet on November 17, 2015, 12:37:16 PM

Quote from: Mainframes on November 17, 2015, 07:49:58 AM

Have you ever tries welding a piece of metal that has the other end stuck in a bucket of ice cold water? Try it. I guarantee that the acetylene torch will not cut the metal as too much heat will be drawn away into the water. Once the water has boiled off then the acetylene will cut the metal.

Shitpost!

Now GTFO.

Quote from: Papa Legba on November 18, 2015, 01:43:08 PM

Remember saying this, Walter Mitty?

Seems like tappet spotted it too; anyone who's ever done any welding will know, beyond all doubt, that you are a complete buffoon & not to be taken seriously, by anyone, ever again, ever.

Quote from: tappet on November 17, 2015, 12:37:16 PM

Quote from: Mainframes on November 17, 2015, 07:49:58 AM

Have you ever tries welding a piece of metal that has the other end stuck in a bucket of ice cold water? Try it. I guarantee that the acetylene torch will not cut the metal as too much heat will be drawn away into the water. Once the water has boiled off then the acetylene will cut the metal.

Shitpost!

Now GTFO.

Apparently tappet has never tried to solder a pipe joint when the pipe still has water in it either.  I can tell you from personal experience that it doesn't work.

Quote from: markjo on November 18, 2015, 05:51:18 PM

Quote from: Papa Legba on November 18, 2015, 01:43:08 PM

Remember saying this, Walter Mitty?

Seems like tappet spotted it too; anyone who's ever done any welding will know, beyond all doubt, that you are a complete buffoon & not to be taken seriously, by anyone, ever again, ever.

Quote from: tappet on November 17, 2015, 12:37:16 PM

Quote from: Mainframes on November 17, 2015, 07:49:58 AM

Have you ever tries welding a piece of metal that has the other end stuck in a bucket of ice cold water? Try it. I guarantee that the acetylene torch will not cut the metal as too much heat will be drawn away into the water. Once the water has boiled off then the acetylene will cut the metal.

Shitpost!

Now GTFO.

Apparently tappet has never tried to solder a pipe joint when the pipe still has water in it either.  I can tell you from personal experience that it doesn't work.

Stop bullshitting. Any plumber knows if you have a leak in copper pipe with water in it you put a cut with a hacksaw further down the line to relieve steam pressure then weld your leak, then turn around and weld your cut. You can not get rid of all of the water.
Why are you now talking about solder?
Have you not seen underwater welding on ships?
And Mainframes obviously does not know the difference between cutting with acetylene and welding.
Terrible shitposting by roundies.
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