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Title: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: iWitness on April 25, 2015, 12:05:24 PM
Anyone that grew up through the 40's, 50's and 60's were literally bombarded with promises of space travel, flying cars, shopping malls in space, you name it. With billions of planets to choose from the universe was all of a sudden a much bigger place.

Nasa makes it look so easy, yet so impossible at the same time.

Sure John Glenn can shoot off the tip of a rocket in the 1950's going 10,000+ mph around the world 3 times backwards, but we can't even find a missing airplane in 2014.

In the 1970's they traveled to the moon in 72 hours using a calculator landing in an unknown atmosphere, and hopped in their happy little lunar module and blasted right off back to earth 220,000 miles easy peasy.

Yet, in 2015 SpaceX can't even land a rocket on earth and Virgin Galactic can't get higher than a couple hundred thousand feet. Which seems more logical to you? That they are liars or we have actually reversed in progress over the last 50 years despite all the advances in technology?

There is a project called Persephone, led by the Icarus Interstellar foundation, who aims to achieve interstellar space travel by the year 2100. Wow wonderful, we'll all likely be dead by then.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Misero on April 25, 2015, 12:18:30 PM
These rockets and Moon Mission rockets are different, it's newer technology.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Weatherwax on April 25, 2015, 12:22:55 PM
All that proves is that space travel is very difficult.

The moon missions were certainly not "easy peasy", but they were driven by the Cold War and overwhelming public support. Those conditions haven't existed since.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on April 25, 2015, 01:15:02 PM
Nobody on this forum will ever go to space.

Never, ever.

Because you can't.

Because the laws of physics won't allow it.

Give me a call when this situation changes & just one of you mugs has first-hand evidence of any of this space-nonsense.

Until then keep up your childish 'If Santa doesn't exist then where do the Xmas presents come from?' debate tactics.

Ta-ta suckers.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Rama Set on April 25, 2015, 01:22:57 PM
Only if you can tell me what physical principle prevents us from going to space.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on April 25, 2015, 01:26:26 PM
Anyone that grew up through the 40's, 50's and 60's were literally bombarded with promises of space travel, flying cars, shopping malls in space, you name it.
We also can't buy flying cars. Maybe speculation from an overexcited era isn't the most reliable source?

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Nasa makes it look so easy, yet so impossible at the same time.
Which you can say about any discipline requiring any training. Stunt plane flying? Looks easy, really isn't. Acrobatics? Check. I could go on.

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Yet, in 2015 SpaceX can't even land a rocket on earth and Virgin Galactic can't get higher than a couple hundred thousand feet. Which seems more logical to you? That they are liars or we have actually reversed in progress over the last 50 years despite all the advances in technology?
Well given their aims are entirely different, they're working with technology that has not yet tried to do what they're trying...
Have you ever updated your operating system? Generally speaking, they're more advanced than the previous. For the first few weeks, however, they're much less useful because you don't yet know how to use it: you haven't gotten used to it yet. Same principle.

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There is a project called Persephone, led by the Icarus Interstellar foundation, who aims to achieve interstellar space travel by the year 2100. Wow wonderful, we'll all likely be dead by then.
Your point? If they were faking, surely they could have it done by next Tuesday.
Besides, no one has ever claimed space travel is easy. What timescale would be believable to you?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on April 25, 2015, 01:56:36 PM
My, what a very swift response!

Anyhow; what physical principles prevent us from going to space?

All of them.

Firstly, try learning how to apply Newtons 3rd law correctly to a device as simple as a rocket (clue: a rocket's exhaust column Pushes against an outside Mass, such as the atmosphere; no outside Mass, no Push).

Secondly, learn exactly what a vacuum purportedly is, what happens to materials (especially gases) within it & why the oldest axiom in science is 'Nature Abhors a Vacuum'.

But lastly, & most importantly, please do not reply to my post until you have genuine first-hand evidence of 'space travel'.

I.e. you, yourself, have been there in person.

As previously stated, the 'If Santa doesn't exist, then where do the Xmas presents come from?' debate tactic cuts no ice with me; either put up or shut up.

So: have you been to space?

A simple 'yes' or 'no' will suffice, though I suspect you're incapable of giving a simple answer to anything.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Alpha2Omega on April 25, 2015, 04:14:50 PM
My, what a very swift response!

Was this one slow enough for you?

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Anyhow; what physical principles prevent us from going to space?

All of them.

So, you don't know of any, either.

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Firstly, try learning how to apply Newtons 3rd law correctly to a device as simple as a rocket (clue: a rocket's exhaust column Pushes against an outside Mass, such as the atmosphere; no outside Mass, no Push[citation needed]).
Quote from: Newton
For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

Maybe it's you that needs to brush up on Newton's Third. Where does it mention "pushes against an outside mass" there?

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Secondly, learn exactly what a vacuum purportedly is, what happens to materials (especially gases) within it & why the oldest axiom in science is 'Nature Abhors a Vacuum'[citation needed].

If the materials are solids, pretty much nothing will happen to them; they will remain solid. If they're gas they will expand unconstrained (absent outside forces such as gravity), becoming less and less dense as all the particles fly off in random directions. If they are liquid, they will become gas since there's zero vapor pressure and they will boil away; then they will behave as gases as already described.

Since you posed the question the way you did, you seem to have specific ideas what you think will happen. Care to elaborate?

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But lastly, & most importantly, please do not reply to my post until you have genuine first-hand evidence of 'space travel'.

I.e. you, yourself, have been there in person.

You don't get to tell others what they can and can't do here. Sorry.

Unlike "Zetacists", rational people don't have to personally experience everything before believing it's possible.

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As previously stated, the 'If Santa doesn't exist, then where do the Xmas presents come from?' debate tactic cuts no ice with me; either put up or shut up.

Who said anything about Santa, besides you? Keep him out of this, please (i.e. wth are you talking about?)

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So: have you been to space?

Not yet.

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A simple 'yes' or 'no' will suffice, though I suspect you're incapable of giving a simple answer to anything.
::)

By the way, weren't you supposed to be gone until we called?

Give me a call when this situation changes & just one of you mugs has first-hand evidence of any of this space-nonsense.

Ta-ta suckers.

Why are you still posting here, anyway? Stuff like this is why we don't believe anything else you say, either.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Alpha2Omega on April 25, 2015, 05:46:58 PM
Anyone that grew up through the 40's, 50's and 60's were literally bombarded with promises of space travel, flying cars, shopping malls in space, you name it. With billions of planets to choose from the universe was all of a sudden a much bigger place.

Promises? By whom? A lot of folks, especially Science Fiction writers, were making bold predictions.

The developments in manned spaceflight in the earliest part of the 21st Century written about by the likes of Arthur C. Clarke were, alas, optimistic. So it goes.

Quote from: Danish Proverb
Predictions are difficult, especially about the future.

NASA wasn't into the flying cars thing, and didn't even exist for more than half of the time span you mention. They did make projections about progress in manned space exploration but their funding was cut drastically after some very successful Apollo moon landings. They never promoted "billions of planets to choose from" as an attainable goal in the foreseeable future, as far as I know (they knew better); such wasn't even known, only speculated, in the '60s. See "the Drake equation".

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Nasa makes it look so easy, yet so impossible at the same time.

They make it look easy and impossible at the same time? Man, those guys are good! I thought it looked hard (and dangerous, as in"what could possibly go wrong?"), but NASA made some things look possible.

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Sure John Glenn can shoot off the tip of a rocket in the 1950's going 10,000+ mph around the world 3 times backwards, but we can't even find a missing airplane in 2014.
Glenn didn't fly in space until 1962. This stuff is easy to find if you need to look it up; why don't you try doing a little fact checking before saying something stupid. We can dream, can't we?

Why the obsession with the direction the spacecraft is pointing while it's in orbit? Exactly why does it matter? It's almost like the ones who keep bringing this up don't know the first thing about what they're whining about.

What does any of this have to do with finding an airplane that disappeared somewhere in a very large ocean, anyway?

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In the 1970's they traveled to the moon in 72 hours using a calculator landing in an unknown atmosphere, and hopped in their happy little lunar module and blasted right off back to earth 220,000 miles easy peasy[citation needed].

They were also doing this in the 1960s. See the above about fact checking.

What calculator are you referring to? Much of the math was done before the flights using slide rules, some on Monroe desk calculators [plural] that could add, subtract, and multiply (and also divide if you knew how to do that on them; it wasn't simple). What couldn't be done on these was done on mainframe computers. They did have a small, dedicated-purpose, navigation computer aboard. Is that what you meant? It was much less powerful than modern general-purpose calculators, but then, it was powerful enough for the task at hand, and that's what matters. They probably brought one or more slide rules, but I don't know for sure.

"Unknown atmosphere"? It was quite well known; there is no atmosphere, which made things much easier. Fact check, please.

And, no, again. They didn't "blast off" in the LM to earth. They only had to make it to the CSM, which was much closer. Again, facts, please, not ignorant blather. It wasn't easy. At all. It did work, so I suppose from your personal experience, means it must be easy, since easy things likely are all you can accomplish.

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Yet, in 2015 SpaceX can't even land a rocket on earth and Virgin Galactic can't get higher than a couple hundred thousand feet. Which seems more logical to you? That they are liars or we have actually reversed in progress over the last 50 years despite all the advances in technology?

False dichotomy. They're neither liars, nor are we regressing. Nice try, though.

Were we soft-landing boosters on earth in the Apollo years? I don't remember that? I thought they were all discarded and simply allowed to fall into the ocean. I doubt that what Space-X is attempting to do would have been even remotely feasible 40 years ago. Advances in sensors, control systems, computers, navigation, and aerodynamics make it at least potentially possible now, and they've come closer to success than I've expected.

Let's see you get higher than a couple hundred thousand feet (physically, not figuratively... the way you write, I wonder if you're not always "high"). Since this fits into the "not easy to do" category, there's little chance you ever will. Virgin Galactic doesn't have a fraction of the budget NASA had or even still has. They can't do as much. So what's your point?

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There is a project called Persephone, led by the Icarus Interstellar foundation, who aims to achieve interstellar space travel by the year 2100. Wow wonderful, we'll all likely be dead by then.

So? No idea if this will come to pass but thank goodness not everyone thinks as small as you do.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on April 25, 2015, 10:36:43 PM
So, after a lot of irrelevant blather, we have learnt that alpha2omega has not been to space.

Well that's one down; who's next?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Rama Set on April 25, 2015, 11:04:05 PM
So, after a lot of irrelevant blather, we have learnt that alpha2omega has not been to space.

Well that's one down; who's next?

Me.  I have been to space.  Everything they say is true.

Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: FalseProphet on April 25, 2015, 11:10:43 PM
So, after a lot of irrelevant blather, we have learnt that alpha2omega has not been to space.

Well that's one down; who's next?

I was in space. I frequently go to space. have my own space ship.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on April 25, 2015, 11:26:51 PM
I'll take that as a 'no' from Falseprophet too.

Two down; next?

Strange how so many people believe in all this space-malarkey & are willing to call everyone who doubts it 'crackpots', yet none of them have any first-hand experience of it whatsoever.

Just pure belief.

Comes across kinda like a Religion to me...
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Rama Set on April 25, 2015, 11:29:08 PM
I'll take that as a 'no' from Falseprophet too.

Two down; next?

Strange how so many people believe in all this space-malarkey & are willing to call everyone who doubts it 'crackpots', yet none of them have any first-hand experience of it whatsoever.

Just pure belief.

Comes across kinda like a Religion to me...

Why is evidence "pure belief"?  Do you feel the same about everything you have not witnessed first hand?

Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: FalseProphet on April 25, 2015, 11:30:48 PM
I'll take that as a 'no' from Falseprophet too.


Why? I clearly said: yes.  ???
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on April 25, 2015, 11:37:52 PM
Too late; Falseprophet's lame attempt at humour failed.

As I said before: Two down; who's next?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: FalseProphet on April 26, 2015, 12:01:46 AM
Too late; Falseprophet's lame attempt at humour failed.

As I said before: Two down; who's next?

Ask Rama Set! I took him on a trip. He was like WOW all the time. And I was like Uh-hu.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Rama Set on April 26, 2015, 12:16:37 AM
True story.  Space is the bomb.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Scroto Gaggins on April 26, 2015, 01:28:24 AM
I'll take that as a 'no' from Falseprophet too.

Two down; next?

Strange how so many people believe in all this space-malarkey & are willing to call everyone who doubts it 'crackpots', yet none of them have any first-hand experience of it whatsoever.

Just pure belief.

Comes across kinda like a Religion to me...
So you believe nothing is true unless personally experienced?
That is a bit dumb.

We know that recent historical events happened, even though we weren't there.
We know that many animals exist, even though we haven't seen all of them.

Or do you dispute WW2, orang-utans and the Roman empire as well?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: sceptimatic on April 26, 2015, 01:44:36 AM
Anyone that grew up through the 40's, 50's and 60's were literally bombarded with promises of space travel, flying cars, shopping malls in space, you name it. With billions of planets to choose from the universe was all of a sudden a much bigger place.

Nasa makes it look so easy, yet so impossible at the same time.

Sure John Glenn can shoot off the tip of a rocket in the 1950's going 10,000+ mph around the world 3 times backwards, but we can't even find a missing airplane in 2014.

In the 1970's they traveled to the moon in 72 hours using a calculator landing in an unknown atmosphere, and hopped in their happy little lunar module and blasted right off back to earth 220,000 miles easy peasy.

Yet, in 2015 SpaceX can't even land a rocket on earth and Virgin Galactic can't get higher than a couple hundred thousand feet. Which seems more logical to you? That they are liars or we have actually reversed in progress over the last 50 years despite all the advances in technology?

There is a project called Persephone, led by the Icarus Interstellar foundation, who aims to achieve interstellar space travel by the year 2100. Wow wonderful, we'll all likely be dead by then.
Everything you've said is spot on. In normal everyday, logical adult reality, we shouldn't even need to look any further into space travel, except to think of it as a nice fantasy concept of the early days when people were all doe eyed naive wishful thinkers who dreamed of every gadget from hyper space craft to time machines.

We have many people on this forum and in many physics/science forums, who sit there and actually believe they know what space rockets are and actually do in the physical sense.
These people have absolutely NO experience of any physical sense of any craft that supposedly leaves Earth's atmospheric barrier, yet they will throw as much paper work as you wish at you to show you that it's legitimate and has been achieved because rockets can shoot out 60 billion trillion squillion lbs of thrust to propel that rocket and all the cargo needed , into space.

Slow rocket?...add a warp valve. slow a rocket down after usage of warp valve. use an warp arrester nozzle. Simple stuff and the maths are there for how it works.

Time machines. Easy stuff. You send apples and safety pins from one room to another. A bit, Willy Wonka style. It works, it's been done, albeit only a shot time and distance - as you do.

Time machines work. Ask the tefal heads of this forum and other physics forums. They work because the maths adds up when you jumble it all together. It doesn't add up to us because we are just dense neanderthals with basic knowledge or sandal fastening at best. You need calculations and formulas.

It doesn't matter that Earth has no time clock. It doesn't matter that a time piece is man made. A time machine can send you back and forward in time if you set the Marty Mcfly/doc Brown digital clock with date and time, something Earth does not care for but the human psyche, does.

The only spaceship's anyone will ever own are one's that use space to move into. Large oceans. The sky atmosphere. Taxiing around a large airport or secret installation.

Anything space related just add it to your star trek collection, people. In time it will be worth money if kept in it's original box or the poster is in excellent condition.
Don't forget. If you have any starship enterprise ship diagrams, including the engine diagrams - keep them safe and in good condition because in time they may be needed for the next few generations of fantasy mindset's who may choose to send them to NASA just in case NASA manage to lose their own diagrams.
Let's face it, they managed to do it with Apollo.  ;D

Time to wake up people. Any of you who are called Sheldon or display any actions similar to this fictional person on the big bang, I suggest that you hang onto your fantasy because reality will not aid you in life. It's too scary.  :P
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Weatherwax on April 26, 2015, 01:51:55 AM
It's really sad to Americans denying their nation's greatest achievements. I thought you were a patriotic lot. Obviously I was wrong.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on April 26, 2015, 01:57:05 AM
Does scepti expect anyone to read all that shit?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: sceptimatic on April 26, 2015, 01:58:30 AM
It's really sad to Americans denying their nation's greatest achievements. I thought you were a patriotic lot. Obviously I was wrong.
What greatest achievements are these?
What does patriotic mean when your own people are blatantly lying to you?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: sceptimatic on April 26, 2015, 02:00:31 AM
Does scepti expect anyone to read all that shit?
I don't care who reads it. It's there to read if anyone wants to read it.
As for people like you, crabby. I'd be happy for you and your like-minded frenzy group to bypass what I say. Stop giving me any of your time.  ;D
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Weatherwax on April 26, 2015, 03:22:31 AM
It's really sad to Americans denying their nation's greatest achievements. I thought you were a patriotic lot. Obviously I was wrong.
What greatest achievements are these

Putting a man on the moon, the space shuttle, Hubble telescope, etc etc.

You should be proud of these achievements. The fact that a large proportion of the US population believes the moon landings were faked is a disgrace, and you should all be ashamed of yourselves.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: sceptimatic on April 26, 2015, 05:38:31 AM
It's really sad to Americans denying their nation's greatest achievements. I thought you were a patriotic lot. Obviously I was wrong.
What greatest achievements are these

Putting a man on the moon, the space shuttle, Hubble telescope, etc etc.

You should be proud of these achievements. The fact that a large proportion of the US population believes the moon landings were faked is a disgrace, and you should all be ashamed of yourselves.
The very fact that you actually took the time to type this tells me two things about you.

1. You're either a wind up merchant who knows fine well the space adventures are nothing other than utter bullcrap, but take great delight in playing along.

2. You are simply a big bang/star trek/etc fantasist who actually believes everything you're told no matter what, as long as it comes from someone who has been pushed as a hero, into your psyche and you're so naive to the point of kiddified innocence, that you readily accept it and actually get upset when someone challenges it.

This will be my last post to you. Don't bother replying to this, seriously.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Alpha2Omega on April 26, 2015, 05:41:33 AM
I'll take that as a 'no' from Falseprophet too.

Two down; next?

Strange how so many people believe in all this space-malarkey & are willing to call everyone who doubts it 'crackpots', yet none of them have any first-hand experience of it whatsoever.

Just pure belief.

Comes across kinda like a Religion to me...

'Yes' comes across as 'no' to you, too.

Ask a simple question. Ignore answers and everything else you don't want to hear. That comes across like willful ignorance to me. It also explains a lot.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: JRoweSkeptic on April 26, 2015, 05:42:41 AM
it's amazing that as soon as something becomes possible, it gets monetized. cars are designed, and quickly sold. even guns were spread around: and yet space travel is apparently the one exception. oh, it's been promised so many times. still hasn't happened.

the shuttles would have been the perfect chance for some space tourism. reusable, constantly going up, bring one or two tourists each time: but no.  the only layperson offered to go to space was a teacher, and that was on challenger. great coincidence there.

amazing that no one wants to see it. just because something makes a good story does not mean it's true. that's how propaganda works.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on April 26, 2015, 06:10:14 AM
it's amazing that as soon as something becomes possible, it gets monetized. cars are designed, and quickly sold. even guns were spread around: and yet space travel is apparently the one exception. oh, it's been promised so many times. still hasn't happened.

What do you mean?  The space industry generates over $300B a year in revenues. 

Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Weatherwax on April 26, 2015, 06:28:56 AM
It's really sad to Americans denying their nation's greatest achievements. I thought you were a patriotic lot. Obviously I was wrong.
What greatest achievements are these

Putting a man on the moon, the space shuttle, Hubble telescope, etc etc.

You should be proud of these achievements. The fact that a large proportion of the US population believes the moon landings were faked is a disgrace, and you should all be ashamed of yourselves.
The very fact that you actually took the time to type this tells me two things about you.

1. You're either a wind up merchant who knows fine well the space adventures are nothing other than utter bullcrap, but take great delight in playing along.

2. You are simply a big bang/star trek/etc fantasist who actually believes everything you're told no matter what, as long as it comes from someone who has been pushed as a hero, into your psyche and you're so naive to the point of kiddified innocence, that you readily accept it and actually get upset when someone challenges it.

This will be my last post to you. Don't bother replying to this, seriously.

Woo-hoo!  ;D
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: JRoweSkeptic on April 26, 2015, 08:25:06 AM
it's amazing that as soon as something becomes possible, it gets monetized. cars are designed, and quickly sold. even guns were spread around: and yet space travel is apparently the one exception. oh, it's been promised so many times. still hasn't happened.

What do you mean?  The space industry generates over $300B a year in revenues.

are you even paying attention to, for example, the title of the thread?
let alone what i was actually saying...
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Techros on April 26, 2015, 08:59:43 AM
I'll take that as a 'no' from Falseprophet too.

Two down; next?

Strange how so many people believe in all this space-malarkey & are willing to call everyone who doubts it 'crackpots', yet none of them have any first-hand experience of it whatsoever.

Just pure belief.

Comes across kinda like a Religion to me...

Have you ever worked at Microsoft? If not, does Microsoft not exist? Ever been to Mount Everest? Is the bottom of the ocean nonexistent, as you've never been there?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on April 28, 2015, 01:02:59 PM
Lots of blather & diversion here, but it still looks like none of you have been to space.

You know what I call someone who claims to be an expert in something they've never actually experienced?

A con-man.

Though they could just be a crank I guess?

Whatever; keep dreaming, Space-cadets, & don't forget to pay your taxes!
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on April 28, 2015, 01:25:03 PM
Aaaand... Bump!

You ain't been to space.

Your dad ain't been to space.

Your sister & your brother & your ever-loving mother; none of em been to space...

BUT!!!

You know all about it.

Cos you been TOLD all about it.

YET:

None of you been to space.

Keep.

On.

Dreaming.

Suckers!

Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: mikeman7918 on April 28, 2015, 01:26:14 PM
This is in response to the original post.

Nobody ever promised private space flight and flying cars, those were predictions.  The main reason why we are not using space ships in place of cars is that they are really expensive.  With our current technology, getting something into low Earth orbit costs about $10,000 per pound.  Getting into space is not easy, it takes rockets which cost millions of dollars and can only be used once.  If you happened to have $70,000,000 on hand then you can buy a seat on a Soyuz rocket and stay on the International Space Station for a while, so space flight is not off limits to civilians, although it's still not within the budget of the average person.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on April 28, 2015, 01:34:07 PM
This is in response to mikeman-whatever's post: GROW UP!
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Rama Set on April 28, 2015, 01:43:27 PM
This is in response to mikeman-whatever's post: GROW UP!

You know "whatever" is longer than 7918?  Considering the quality of your posts vs Mike's, I think you should consider taking your own advice.

-The Forum Daddy
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Rama Set on April 28, 2015, 01:44:03 PM
Lots of blather & diversion here, but it still looks like none of you have been to space.

You know what I call someone who claims to be an expert in something they've never actually experienced?

A con-man.

Though they could just be a crank I guess?

Whatever; keep dreaming, Space-cadets, & don't forget to pay your taxes!

Who claimed to be an expert?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on April 28, 2015, 01:52:31 PM
More diversion & wriggling; you been to space yet Rama Set?

Didn't think so.

Next!
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on April 28, 2015, 01:57:59 PM
P.S. Thank you, Rama Set, for stating that no-one here's an expert on space; I'll bear that in mind next time anyone pontificates on the subject.

But never mind that; anyone here actually BEEN to space yet?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Rama Set on April 28, 2015, 02:02:35 PM
More diversion & wriggling; you been to space yet Rama Set?

Didn't think so.

Next!

I already said I had been.  Please don't forget to read the thread!
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Rama Set on April 28, 2015, 02:03:16 PM
P.S. Thank you, Rama Set, for stating that no-one here's an expert on space; I'll bear that in mind next time anyone pontificates on the subject.

But never mind that; anyone here actually BEEN to space yet?

Why does one have to be an expert to discuss a topic with certainty?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on April 28, 2015, 02:07:36 PM
to: Rama Set.

You just called yourself 'the forum daddy'; forgive me if I never take you seriously ever again.

Plus, you been to space yet?

Btw, don't expect any replies for a while, cos I got a life, job, wife, etc,  so need sleep & such.

That okay, 'daddy'?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Misero on April 28, 2015, 02:18:47 PM
If you have nothing to add but idiotic comments that add nothing to the conversation, kindly go away. We do not need to do something to know how it works. Have you ever moderated a forum? I assume you know how it works, do you not? Find reported posts, do what you need to do to them, repeat.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: FlatOrange on April 28, 2015, 03:06:59 PM
What do we have? Satellites that give us minutes-old photos from space http://gizmodo.com/this-photo-of-san-francisco-was-shot-just-minutes-ago-f-1700474148 (http://gizmodo.com/this-photo-of-san-francisco-was-shot-just-minutes-ago-f-1700474148)

Drones that do mapping for us. http://diydrones.com/profiles/blogs/great-demo-of-drone-mapping-using-mapbox-and-pix4d-with-a-3d-robo (http://diydrones.com/profiles/blogs/great-demo-of-drone-mapping-using-mapbox-and-pix4d-with-a-3d-robo)

Real-time mapping of a backpacking trip http://blog.thematicmapping.org/2015_04_01_archive.html (http://blog.thematicmapping.org/2015_04_01_archive.html)

It's 2015 where's your map? Where's your evidence of the ice wall?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on April 28, 2015, 09:46:23 PM
I have no idea what the last two comments meant.

There's some very odd people here, banging on about satellites, moderators, ice walls & being 'the daddy'.

All I want to know is if any of you have been to space?

You can lie if you like; just makes you look even more foolish.

But not as foolish as believing in all this space-malarkey to begin with.

Keep dreaming, daddy-o!
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Rama Set on April 28, 2015, 10:30:47 PM
I have no idea what the last two comments meant.

There's some very odd people here, banging on about satellites, moderators, ice walls & being 'the daddy'.

All I want to know is if any of you have been to space?

You can lie if you like; just makes you look even more foolish.

But not as foolish as believing in all this space-malarkey to begin with.

Keep dreaming, daddy-o!

I have been to space. ama
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: sceptimatic on April 29, 2015, 12:52:43 AM
Looks like nobody can answer Papa's question about going to space.
Many experts on space travel and even Mikeman's poundage per dollars calculations are there for all to see. All this without any knowledge of space travel in any physical sense.

Papa asked a question about who's been to space. Rama is the only one that's been to space, it seems, yet doesn't seem to recall anything about it. Maybe he was asleep on his mission.

So who's the experts?
Mikeman the 17 year old kid seems the only potential expert on here after Geoffrey the Aussie, yet none of them will admit to being in space. Hmmmmm.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Rama Set on April 29, 2015, 05:37:16 AM
Looks like nobody can answer Papa's question about going to space.
Many experts on space travel and even Mikeman's poundage per dollars calculations are there for all to see. All this without any knowledge of space travel in any physical sense.

Papa asked a question about who's been to space. Rama is the only one that's been to space, it seems, yet doesn't seem to recall anything about it. Maybe he was asleep on his mission.

So who's the experts?
Mikeman the 17 year old kid seems the only potential expert on here after Geoffrey the Aussie, yet none of them will admit to being in space. Hmmmmm.

No one asked me a question!  I remember it all vividly.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: markjo on April 29, 2015, 06:16:38 AM
the shuttles would have been the perfect chance for some space tourism. reusable, constantly going up, bring one or two tourists each time: but no.  the only layperson offered to go to space was a teacher, and that was on challenger. great coincidence there.
Excuse me, but what about the 7 tourists that Russia sent to space?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_tourism#List_of_flown_space_tourists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_tourism#List_of_flown_space_tourists)

Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: mikeman7918 on April 29, 2015, 10:06:15 AM
Looks like nobody can answer Papa's question about going to space.
Many experts on space travel and even Mikeman's poundage per dollars calculations are there for all to see. All this without any knowledge of space travel in any physical sense.

Papa asked a question about who's been to space. Rama is the only one that's been to space, it seems, yet doesn't seem to recall anything about it. Maybe he was asleep on his mission.

So who's the experts?
Mikeman the 17 year old kid seems the only potential expert on here after Geoffrey the Aussie, yet none of them will admit to being in space. Hmmmmm.

The average person does not make enough money in their life to afford a space ship.  That's why space travel is not something that everyone has done.  That is assuming that that person never buys food or anything at all and just save up their entire life.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: iWitness on April 30, 2015, 09:19:51 AM
Looks like nobody can answer Papa's question about going to space.
Many experts on space travel and even Mikeman's poundage per dollars calculations are there for all to see. All this without any knowledge of space travel in any physical sense.

Papa asked a question about who's been to space. Rama is the only one that's been to space, it seems, yet doesn't seem to recall anything about it. Maybe he was asleep on his mission.

So who's the experts?
Mikeman the 17 year old kid seems the only potential expert on here after Geoffrey the Aussie, yet none of them will admit to being in space. Hmmmmm.

The average person does not make enough money in their life to afford a space ship.  That's why space travel is not something that everyone has done.  That is assuming that that person never buys food or anything at all and just save up their entire life.

Richard Branson makes Billions of dollars, and is actively trying to reach space.... but cannot get higher than a 100-200,000 feet. Don't you think that is odd?

All of the highest altitude records are set using Air Balloons:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_altitude_record (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_altitude_record)

Isn't that strange?

Nasa was able to travel 220,000 miles to the moon in 72 hours 40-50 years ago, but no one can do it today!

We are still using 1700s technology in 2015 to reach space....
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: markjo on April 30, 2015, 09:36:50 AM
Richard Branson makes Billions of dollars, and is actively trying to reach space.... but cannot get higher than a 100-200,000 feet. Don't you think that is odd?
Nope.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: mikeman7918 on April 30, 2015, 09:50:24 AM
Richard Branson makes Billions of dollars, and is actively trying to reach space.... but cannot get higher than a 100-200,000 feet. Don't you think that is odd?

Has he tried paying the Russians to take him into orbit in a Soyuz space craft?  They are selling rides to anyone who can afford it.

All of the highest altitude records are set using Air Balloons:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_altitude_record (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_altitude_record)

Isn't that strange?

Air balloons use buoyancy to go up and they have a height limit because the atmosphere gets thinner as you get higher.  Balloons can't reach space because there is no air in space.  I do not go d that strange at all.

Nasa was able to travel 220,000 miles to the moon in 72 hours 40-50 years ago, but no one can do it today!

In 1969 there was a Cold War to push the development of the space program and there was a huge amount of public support.  Nobody ever said that going to the Moon was easy.  Moon missions take longer then 72 hours, if you include the time speant building the rocket it took 6 months for each mission and that's not even including the years speant designing and prototyping the Saturn V.

We havn't been to the Moon sense Apolli because there is no need to.  It has already been done and there is no real reason to do it again, especially considering how hard it is.

We are still using 1700s technology in 2015 to reach space....

That is so wrong that I don't even know where to start.  In the 1700's almost none of the technology used in space travel even existed.  Airplanes and cars didn't even exist at the time.  I am having trouble thinking of a single piece of technology from 1700 used in space travel.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: markjo on April 30, 2015, 10:06:03 AM
We havn't been to the Moon sense Apolli because there is no need to.  It has already been done and there is no real reason to do it again, especially considering how hard it is.
Actually, there does seem to be enough renewed interest in the moon that there have several space agencies have engaged in a number of unmanned lunar missions.  It seems that one of the greatest challenges of continued lunar exploration is finding a compelling reason to do so.  Mars seems to be on everyone's mind right now and the moon doesn't really help much towards that goal.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Heiwa on April 30, 2015, 10:14:31 AM

Richard Branson makes Billions of dollars, and is actively trying to reach space.... but cannot get higher than a 100-200,000 feet. Don't you think that is odd?


This Branson space glider with a fireworks engine Virgin Galaxy is really a joke. It must be carried by an airplane to say 10 000 m altitude, where it is dropped off and starts to glide - like a sail plane. Time to start the engine. The engine is just a solid fuel fireworks that burns for 90 seconds and in that time the pilot shall manually steer the glider from horizontal flight to vertically straight up flight into space at 100 000 m altitude. Doesn't appear difficult.
And then the glider space craft drops back to Earth and hits atmosphere at increasing speed and it is time to manually brake the thing. If it is possible, nobody knows, incl. any pilot or Branson. I assume the Virgin Galaxy will go into an uncontrolled spin or just break up. It cannot possibly land again.
The only test flight so far ended in disaster with the space craft breaking apart going up. Apparently hundreds of people have bought expensive tickets for a flight. I can recommend less expensive suicide methods.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: mikeman7918 on April 30, 2015, 10:21:05 AM

Richard Branson makes Billions of dollars, and is actively trying to reach space.... but cannot get higher than a 100-200,000 feet. Don't you think that is odd?


This Branson space glider with a fireworks engine Virgin Galaxy is really a joke. It must be carried by an airplane to say 10 000 m altitude, where it is dropped off and starts to glide - like a sail plane. Time to start the engine. The engine is just a solid fuel fireworks that burns for 90 seconds and in that time the pilot shall manually steer the glider from horizontal flight to vertically straight up flight into space at 100 000 m altitude. Doesn't appear difficult.
And then the glider space craft drops back to Earth and hits atmosphere at increasing speed and it is time to manually brake the thing. If it is possible, nobody knows, incl. any pilot or Branson. I assume the Virgin Galaxy will go into an uncontrolled spin or just break up. It cannot possibly land again.
The only test flight so far ended in disaster with the space craft breaking apart going up. Apparently hundreds of people have bought expensive tickets for a flight. I can recommend less expensive suicide methods.

You are so wrong that I don't know where to start.  First of all it's called Space Ship Two, not the Birgin Galaxy.  Also, the only probelem you seem to have found is the part where it glides and lands in a runway, and last I checked airplanes didn't fail every time they try to take off.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on April 30, 2015, 12:01:49 PM
So, I took a day or so off; plenty of time for one of you to take a quick trip up to orbit then a leisurely splash-down...

Anybody manage that yet?

The thing about space is that in nasa's adverts it looks all lovely & floaty, everybody up there is happy & nobody ever dies.

Plus, only special & worthy people get to go.

Sounds kinda like the old idea of Heaven to me, just with a veneer of science painted over it.

Of course, if i were to suggest that believing in space travel is a religion, all the space-cadets would come after me with pitchforks; again, kinda like religious fundamentalists come after a heretic.

But that's okay; you'll all go to space eventually & prove me wrong.

Won't you?

Dream on... Daddy!

Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Rama Set on April 30, 2015, 12:15:51 PM
So, I took a day or so off; plenty of time for one of you to take a quick trip up to orbit then a leisurely splash-down...

Anybody manage that yet?

The thing about space is that in nasa's adverts it looks all lovely & floaty, everybody up there is happy & nobody ever dies.

Tell that to the Challenger astronauts or the cosmonauts on board the Soyuz 11.

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Plus, only special & worthy people get to go.

Weird that they would want highly qualified people to undertake a highly technical and complicated endeavor.  They should just draw business cards from their local bars prize giveaway.

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Sounds kinda like the old idea of Heaven to me, just with a veneer of science painted over it.

Of course, if i were to suggest that believing in space travel is a religion, all the space-cadets would come after me with pitchforks; again, kinda like religious fundamentalists come after a heretic.

No, they would ask you to provide evidence for it being fake and maybe to have a look at the ISS through a telescope.

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But that's okay; you'll all go to space eventually & prove me wrong.

Won't you?

Dream on... Daddy!

I already have, AMA.
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Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: mikeman7918 on April 30, 2015, 12:24:14 PM
So, I took a day or so off; plenty of time for one of you to take a quick trip up to orbit then a leisurely splash-down...

Anybody manage that yet?

The thing about space is that in nasa's adverts it looks all lovely & floaty, everybody up there is happy & nobody ever dies.

Plus, only special & worthy people get to go.

Sounds kinda like the old idea of Heaven to me, just with a veneer of science painted over it.

Of course, if i were to suggest that believing in space travel is a religion, all the space-cadets would come after me with pitchforks; again, kinda like religious fundamentalists come after a heretic.

But that's okay; you'll all go to space eventually & prove me wrong.

Won't you?

Dream on... Daddy!

Nearly dying of carbon dioxide poisoning during Apollo 13, a Russian capsule exploding on reentry, 2 space shuttles exploding while taking off and landing, the Apollo 1 fire, the constant risk of being hit by space debris and micrometeorites, exercising for a few hours a day just to keep your bones from degrading, the Mir space station almost getting destroyed by a Russian Bruan space ship bumping into it after a software failure, Space Shuttle Atlantis almost loosong a wing on reentry, and the rigorous schedules astronauts have to follow to get what they need done.  That just sounds like sunshine, lollipops, and rainbows right?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Heiwa on April 30, 2015, 12:28:32 PM

Nearly dying of carbon dioxide poisoning during Apollo 13, a Russian capsule exploding on reentry, 2 space shuttles exploding while taking off and landing, the Apollo 1 fire, the constant risk of being hit by space debris and micrometeorites, exercising for a few hours a day just to keep your bones from degrading, the Mir space station almost getting destroyed by a Russian Bruan space ship bumping into it after a software failure, Space Shuttle Atlantis almost loosong a wing on reentry, and the rigorous schedules astronauts have to follow to get what they need done.  That just sounds like sunshine, lollipops, and rainbows right?
Hollywood?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on April 30, 2015, 12:32:04 PM
Well, you are the forum daddy so who am I to disagree with all the tosh you spam off wikipedia & nasa.gov sites?

Put your pitchfork down for a moment, daddy, & honestly state, once & for all, if you have personal, first-hand experience of space travel.

If not then everything you say is a matter of blind faith.

& I don't buy blind faith.

Daddy.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on April 30, 2015, 12:42:21 PM
P.s. my last post was aimed at Rama 'daddy' Set & mikeman-blah.

Though they do seem to be strangely inter-changeable, so in future I'll just treat em as one person.

it'll save time; I may add others as necessary.

Enough of that though; anyone been to space yet?

Or feel like making fools of themselves by lying about it?

Lovely, floaty space, where only special people go & nobody ever dies...

Dreeeeeeeeeeeeeam on!
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Mainframes on April 30, 2015, 01:10:04 PM

Lovely, floaty space, where only special people go & nobody ever dies...


Clearly you know nothing about the history of space exploration. Plenty of people have died. Apollo 1, Challenger, Columbia and several in the Russian program.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on April 30, 2015, 01:17:20 PM
To: mainframes.

Clearly you haven't been to space either.

Yet, as with the rest of your drone-like brethren, you are an expert in all aspects of it.

I don't intend to get dragged into minutiae by you madmen, so I'll leave it up to the neutral reader to note the ridiculous obfuscations & discrepancies in all of your posts...

Me, I just want to know if any of you been to space yet?

Keep the dream alive, daddy-o!
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: mikeman7918 on April 30, 2015, 01:24:39 PM
P.s. my last post was aimed at Rama 'daddy' Set & mikeman-blah.

Though they do seem to be strangely inter-changeable, so in future I'll just treat em as one person.

it'll save time; I may add others as necessary.

Enough of that though; anyone been to space yet?

Or feel like making fools of themselves by lying about it?

Lovely, floaty space, where only special people go & nobody ever dies...

Dreeeeeeeeeeeeeam on!

Did you miss my last post?  I'll quote it again but this time in big red bold Comic Sans so it's harder to ignore:

Nearly dying of carbon dioxide poisoning during Apollo 13, a Russian capsule exploding on reentry, 2 space shuttles exploding while taking off and landing, the Apollo 1 fire, the constant risk of being hit by space debris and micrometeorites, exercising for a few hours a day just to keep your bones from degrading, the Mir space station almost getting destroyed by a Russian Bruan space ship bumping into it after a software failure, Space Shuttle Atlantis almost loosong a wing on reentry, and the rigorous schedules astronauts have to follow to get what they need done.  That just sounds like sunshine, lollipops, and rainbows right?

I know that ignoring information is a big part of being a flat earther because if you actually use logic and look at things objectively then you become a round earther, but just this once I would like you to to start grinding the rusty gears in your head and think objectively.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on April 30, 2015, 01:28:31 PM
To: mikeman-spam.

Have you been to space?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: mikeman7918 on April 30, 2015, 01:32:38 PM
To: mikeman-spam.

Have you been to space?

No, but I have preformed an experiment which proves that the Earth is round.  It's linked in the second link in my forum signature (WARNING: it might endanger your flat earth beliefs and force you to think objectively).  I have also seen the International Space Station flying overhead and communicated with satellites.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on April 30, 2015, 01:42:47 PM
So; mikeman.nasa.gov hasn't been to space either & thus has no 1st-hand evidence for anything he says on the subject.

This is like pulling teeth...

Anyhow; one more down.

Next!

Anyone else here been to space?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: mikeman7918 on April 30, 2015, 01:49:22 PM
So; mikeman.nasa.gov hasn't been to space either & thus has no 1st-hand evidence for anything he says on the subject.

This is like pulling teeth...

Anyhow; one more down.

Next!

Anyone else here been to space?

Only 536 people have been to space and there are over 7,000,000,000 people in the (round) world.  There are other ways to know that space exists other then being there, you can freaking SEE IT!  Have you ever been to a cloud?  How do you know they exist?  Because you can see them when you look up in the sky.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on April 30, 2015, 01:58:33 PM
Okay, I think mikeman's had enough for now.

Poor lad, probably time to stop eh?

Besides which, I'm tired & need my kip, what with the life & the wife & the job etc.

But don't worry, I'll return soon to find out if any of you have been to space yet.

So get busy space-cadets...

Remember; you need to be Special to go to space, so work hard at that.

Until then: Keep dreaming!
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Alpha2Omega on April 30, 2015, 02:02:14 PM
Anyone else here been to space?

Not many have. You keep repeating it; is there a point to this question?

Despite your protestations, it's not necessary to have been to a place to know a lot abut it. Your inability to learn from others is not everyone's problem. Sorry.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on April 30, 2015, 02:06:48 PM
Another post full of blah & fail from Alpha2omega.

 We've already established you haven't been to space so, errm...

Goodnight!

Happy space-dreams to you all.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: BJ1234 on April 30, 2015, 02:10:29 PM
Another post full of blah & fail from Alpha2omega.

 We've already established you haven't been to space so, errm...

Goodnight!

Happy space-dreams to you all.
And we've already established that you haven't been out of your Mom's basement so, errm....
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: ZennerOne on April 30, 2015, 02:20:10 PM

Besides which, I'm tired & need my kip, what with the life & the wife & the job etc.

But don't worry, I'll return soon to find out if any of you have been to space yet.


I'm sorry, but you must be truly ignorant of statistics and large numbers.  Do you seriously think that someone who has been an astronaut is likely to be amongst the handful of round earthers posting here?  And you do understand that there's another 7 billion people out there that have never travelled to space?  Or maybe you do not LOL.

Whatever, yours is a nonsensical question.  I may as well ask you if you have ever dived to the bottom (depth = 11km) of the Marianas Trench in the Pacific Ocean.  Obviously I know beforehand your answer will be "no" but that doesn't sanction me claiming that others have not.  In fact James Cameron, Jacques Piccard, and Lt Don Walsh have all made the descent.

So; do you accept the depth of the Marianas Trench as being 11km or not?  And if you don't, have you been there yourself to disprove it?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: mikeman7918 on April 30, 2015, 02:37:55 PM
Okay, I think mikeman's had enough for now.

Poor lad, probably time to stop eh?

Besides which, I'm tired & need my kip, what with the life & the wife & the job etc.

But don't worry, I'll return soon to find out if any of you have been to space yet.

So get busy space-cadets...

Remember; you need to be Special to go to space, so work hard at that.

Until then: Keep dreaming!

You don't need to be special to go to space, it's not like space travel is being restricted to the public.  Space travel is REALLY expensive and the average person can't make enough money in his or her lifetime to buy a space craft capable of reaching orbit.  There are companies like Virgin Galactic which bring civilians into a sub orbit and other companies like SpaceX will bring you into orbit, it's very expensive but the option is still there.  Many space agencies including NASA will launch satellites into orbit commercially, and those satellites are often made by universities and companies.  There is no way NASA could fake so much data, they would need hundreds of supercomputers and thousands of employees working around the clock to produce terabytes of fake data every day without ever making a single mistake because that mistake would be caught by the millions of scientists analyzing the data.

Astronauts for NASA are chosen because they have skills that NASA needs them for, they are trained for a few years and they generally go into space a few times because training new astronauts is expensive.  It's all economics, why spend time and money when you don't have to.

There have actually already been a few space tourists who were just civilians who paid space agencies to bring them into space.  Space tourism is a rapidly growing industry and the fact that it exists is yet another proof that space travel is real.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on April 30, 2015, 02:49:23 PM
Papa Legba, have you ever been to Australia?
I haven't. Should I conclude it doesn't exist, or that it's impossible to get there?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Alpha2Omega on April 30, 2015, 03:52:30 PM
Anyone else here been to space?

Not many have. You keep repeating it; is there a point to this question?

Despite your protestations, it's not necessary to have been to a place to know a lot abut it. Your inability to learn from others is not everyone's problem. Sorry.

Another post full of blah & fail from Alpha2omega.

 We've already established you haven't been to space so, errm...

Goodnight!

Happy space-dreams to you all.

I, and others, answered your direct question, but you refuse to answer mine, so, errm...

This evasion must mean there is no point to your question, or you would have answered it. Why do you keep asking it, especially when you ignore the answers you don't like, anyway?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: markjo on April 30, 2015, 07:49:20 PM

Richard Branson makes Billions of dollars, and is actively trying to reach space.... but cannot get higher than a 100-200,000 feet. Don't you think that is odd?


This Branson space glider with a fireworks engine Virgin Galaxy is really a joke.
No, your constant attempts to trivialize and belittle space travel makes you a  joke.

It must be carried by an airplane to say 10 000 m altitude, where it is dropped off and starts to glide - like a sail plane. Time to start the engine. The engine is just a solid fuel fireworks that burns for 90 seconds and in that time the pilot shall manually steer the glider from horizontal flight to vertically straight up flight into space at 100 000 m altitude. Doesn't appear difficult.
Actually, the rocket is a hybrid motor using solid propellant and a liquid oxidizer.

And then the glider space craft drops back to Earth and hits atmosphere at increasing speed and it is time to manually brake the thing. If it is possible, nobody knows, incl. any pilot or Branson. I assume the Virgin Galaxy will go into an uncontrolled spin or just break up. It cannot possibly land again.
Nope.  SpaceShip2 uses a feathered reentry system that stabilizes the craft during the relatively low speed reentry.

The only test flight so far ended in disaster with the space craft breaking apart going up.
Actually, SpaceShip2 underwent 54 test flights, most of them unpowered.  The accident occurred on the 4th powered test flight (the first with the new solid propellent mix).

Apparently hundreds of people have bought expensive tickets for a flight. I can recommend less expensive suicide methods.
How many of these less expensive suicide methods have you personally tested?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on April 30, 2015, 10:12:20 PM
Could you all stop whining & please learn to read?

As I have already stated, the point of my question is that if none of you have been to space then you have no direct evidence of anything that supposedly happens up there.

And you can stop lying too; there are no dead bodies bobbing around in lovely, floaty space.

The astronauts in nasa's ISS & Moon adverts all seem happy.

& only special, worthy people get to go there.

But enough of that; stick to the point: have any of you been to space yet?

Keep on lying & diverting if you wish; as I said before, it only makes you look even more foolish.

Dream away, space-cadets!

Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Heiwa on April 30, 2015, 10:28:55 PM

The only test flight so far ended in disaster with the space craft breaking apart going up.
Actually, SpaceShip2 underwent 54 test flights, most of them unpowered.  The accident occurred on the 4th powered test flight (the first with the new solid propellent mix).

Let's agree that SS2 has never been in space and any tests (sic) so far has been at low speeds at low altitudes ... and you wonder what they are testing there? That SS2 can glide in air?
The engine has only solid fuel for 70 seconds and can thus only provide power for that short time. If it can be stopped and restarted is not clear ... and you wonder why it should have that capacity. To avoid colliding with other space ships?
The SS2 cannot be steered or brake in space! The brake and steering only works at say <20 000 m altitude but there is no guarantee that SS2 is stable then. The speed may then be >1000 m/s and SS2 has never been tested at that speed.
 
It seems the whole thing is a Branson toy to impress boys and girls believing in human space travel.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: mikeman7918 on April 30, 2015, 10:34:43 PM
Could you all stop whining & please learn to read?

As I have already stated, the point of my question is that if none of you have been to space then you have no direct evidence of anything that supposedly happens up there.

And you can stop lying too; there are no dead bodies bobbing around in lovely, floaty space.

The astronauts in nasa's ISS & Moon adverts all seem happy.

& only special, worthy people get to go there.

But enough of that; stick to the point: have any of you been to space yet?

Keep on lying & diverting if you wish; as I said before, it only makes you look even more foolish.

Dream away, space-cadets!

I have answered this twice already, I am seriously considering blocking you so I don't have to see you spam this thread with that same question despite being given multiple answers.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 01, 2015, 12:24:57 AM
As I have already stated, the point of my question is that if none of you have been to space then you have no direct evidence of anything that supposedly happens up there.
And if you have never been to Australia/any location in the world, you have no direct evidence of what happens there. Should you then conclude it is impossible to reach?

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But enough of that; stick to the point: have any of you been to space yet?
Have you been to Australia yet?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: sceptimatic on May 01, 2015, 12:52:09 AM
Papa Legba, have you ever been to Australia?
I haven't. Should I conclude it doesn't exist, or that it's impossible to get there?
Are you an expert on Australia, assuming it does exist? Would the real experts be the ones who actually live in Australia and explore it?

As papa said: how many of you have been to space. He just wants to know how many experts there is, who aren't just spouting hot air and expertise with no back up.

I've had a good laugh at the frenzy some people went into to try and backup the space crap.  ;D
Someone asks a question and all hell breaks loose. Why in the hell would people like Mike and co go into such a spasm over space and all that.

Funny as hell to read. Papa asks a simple question and it's meltdown city.  ;D
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 01, 2015, 01:17:38 AM
Are you an expert on Australia, assuming it does exist? Would the real experts be the ones who actually live in Australia and explore it?

So, are you saying that you must be an expert on Australia in order to say it is possible to get there?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: tappet on May 01, 2015, 01:53:59 AM
So what happens to the bodies in space, do they decompose or because of the vacuum  they become cryovaced?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Scroto Gaggins on May 01, 2015, 04:47:44 AM
Papa Legba, have you ever been to Australia?
I haven't. Should I conclude it doesn't exist, or that it's impossible to get there?
Are you an expert on Australia, assuming it does exist? Would the real experts be the ones who actually live in Australia and explore it?

As papa said: how many of you have been to space. He just wants to know how many experts there is, who aren't just spouting hot air and expertise with no back up.

I've had a good laugh at the frenzy some people went into to try and backup the space crap.  ;D
Someone asks a question and all hell breaks loose. Why in the hell would people like Mike and co go into such a spasm over space and all that.

Funny as hell to read. Papa asks a simple question and it's meltdown city.  ;D
It is pretty reasonable, what Jane is doing.
Papa is claiming that because some people haven't been to space, that they cant say anything about it.
She took space, and substituted Australia.
This is an example of how idiotic papa's premise is.

BTW- I haven't been to space, and don't claim any special knowledge of such.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Mainframes on May 01, 2015, 05:22:25 AM
So what happens to the bodies in space, do they decompose or because of the vacuum  they become cryovaced?

What bodies in space?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: markjo on May 01, 2015, 05:31:24 AM

The only test flight so far ended in disaster with the space craft breaking apart going up.
Actually, SpaceShip2 underwent 54 test flights, most of them unpowered.  The accident occurred on the 4th powered test flight (the first with the new solid propellent mix).

Let's agree that SS2 has never been in space and any tests (sic) so far has been at low speeds at low altitudes ... and you wonder what they are testing there? That SS2 can glide in air?
Yes.  Seeing as commercial aircraft must undergo rigorous flight testing before being approved to carry passengers, I'd say it's quite prudent to test SS2's flight characteristics in unpowered, as well as powered modes.


The engine has only solid fuel for 70 seconds and can thus only provide power for that short time. If it can be stopped and restarted is not clear ... and you wonder why it should have that capacity. To avoid colliding with other space ships?
I don't recall anyone claiming that the rocket motor could be restarted.  It can, however, be stopped early for safety reasons if necessary.

The SS2 cannot be steered or brake in space!
SS2 basically follows a parabolic ballistic trajectory.  Steering and/or braking while briefly in space isn't really necessary.

The brake and steering only works at say <20 000 m altitude but there is no guarantee that SS2 is stable then. The speed may then be >1000 m/s and SS2 has never been tested at that speed.
That's why SS2 was conducting powered flight tests.  Please try to keep up, will you?
 
It seems the whole thing is a Branson toy to impress boys and girls believing in human space travel.
Why shouldn't a quick ballistic trip to 100km high be possible?  What technical reasons can you think of that should make such a venture impossible? 
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Rama Set on May 01, 2015, 05:56:35 AM
I have been to space, how many times must I tell you?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 01, 2015, 06:51:49 AM
To: Rama Set.

You also say you are the forum daddy; how many times must I disbelieve you?

To: Bijane.

Australia is not space.

To: All space cadets.

Space is not a graveyard; I think you'll find the fatalities you mention all occurred either on the way up to, or return from, space.

Lovely, floaty, suspiciously Heaven-like space!

But enough of that; has anyone here been to space yet?

Anyone have first-hand experience of, or evidence for, space travel?

 You know; the kind of thing that you'd need if you were, say, a witness in a trial & didn't want your testimony to be thrown out as being hearsay?

Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Heiwa on May 01, 2015, 07:17:54 AM

It seems the whole thing is a Branson toy to impress boys and girls believing in human space travel.
Why shouldn't a quick ballistic trip to 100km high be possible?  What technical reasons can you think of that should make such a venture impossible?

Thanks for asking. It seems a future trip is as follows:
The Branson fully loaded 9 tons space craft SS2 is carried by another plane to altitude 15 000 m, where it is dropped off and glides horizontally at say 100 m/s. The rocket engine is started and burns for 70 seconds. During that short time course is manually changed from horizontal to vertical. After 70 seconds at altitude say 55 000 m and speed say 1100 m/s (acceleration 1.7 g) the engine cuts out (no more fuel) and the SS2, mass now 5 tons - you have burnt 4 tons of solid fuel - continues upwards at reduced speed to an altitude say 100 000 m or more (you are in space!!!) where speed becomes zero. And then SS2 drops down again free fall. MaybeSS2 drops with aft end first - nobody knows, the pilots cannot steer it - and after a while SS2 enters thicker air at increased velocity - soon 1100 m/s - where SS2 will start to spin or rotate around itself and all aboard gets airsick or is killed. I doubt the pilots can handle it. It is suggested there are some braking system that can stop a mass of 5 tons at 1100 m/s, but if it works is not known. I doubt it. That's why I think it is not possible to visit space without getting killed.
According Branson SS2 will start to glide as a sail plane, when entering the atmosphere again, but I doubt it.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: JerkFace on May 01, 2015, 07:26:53 AM
As I have already stated, the point of my question is that if none of you have been to space then you have no direct evidence of anything that supposedly happens up there.
And if you have never been to Australia/any location in the world, you have no direct evidence of what happens there. Should you then conclude it is impossible to reach?

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But enough of that; stick to the point: have any of you been to space yet?
Have you been to Australia yet?

I live in Australia, does that count?   Also I've seen a few space cadets over the years.  :)
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 01, 2015, 07:35:19 AM
To: Bijane, Rayzor & all other confused space-cadets.

I'll say it again, but slower this time to help you understand;

Australia.

Is.

Not.

Space.

Okay?

Now; have any of you been to space yet?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: WallE on May 01, 2015, 07:45:19 AM
Now; have any of you been to space yet?

i was in space (small affair for a robot). But I didn't look down, so I cannot tell what shape the earth was.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Rama Set on May 01, 2015, 07:49:58 AM

It seems the whole thing is a Branson toy to impress boys and girls believing in human space travel.
Why shouldn't a quick ballistic trip to 100km high be possible?  What technical reasons can you think of that should make such a venture impossible?

Thanks for asking. It seems a future trip is as follows:
The Branson fully loaded 9 tons space craft SS2 is carried by another plane to altitude 15 000 m, where it is dropped off and glides horizontally at say 100 m/s. The rocket engine is started and burns for 70 seconds. During that short time course is manually changed from horizontal to vertical. After 70 seconds at altitude say 55 000 m and speed say 1100 m/s (acceleration 1.7 g) the engine cuts out (no more fuel) and the SS2, mass now 5 tons - you have burnt 4 tons of solid fuel - continues upwards at reduced speed to an altitude say 100 000 m or more (you are in space!!!) where speed becomes zero. And then SS2 drops down again free fall. MaybeSS2 drops with aft end first - nobody knows, the pilots cannot steer it - and after a while SS2 enters thicker air at increased velocity - soon 1100 m/s - where SS2 will start to spin or rotate around itself and all aboard gets airsick or is killed. I doubt the pilots can handle it. It is suggested there are some braking system that can stop a mass of 5 tons at 1100 m/s, but if it works is not known. I doubt it. That's why I think it is not possible to visit space without getting killed.
According Branson SS2 will start to glide as a sail plane, when entering the atmosphere again, but I doubt it.

The essence of what you said is, "I doubt it, so it is not possible."  That makes no sense.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: BJ1234 on May 01, 2015, 08:01:05 AM
I'll say it again, but slower this time to help you understand;

Australia.

Is.

Not.

Space.
Irrelevant.  Why is the location of a place you have not been to relevant in its existence or nonexistence?  Why would people who say they have been to Australia more believable than those who say they have been to space?
Other than your own incredulity right?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: JerkFace on May 01, 2015, 08:09:12 AM
To: Bijane, Rayzor & all other confused space-cadets.

I'll say it again, but slower this time to help you understand;

Australia.

Is.

Not.

Space.

Okay?

Now; have any of you been to space yet?

I beg to differ,  in Australia we have plenty of space, in fact some parts are nothing but space.   

 
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Alpha2Omega on May 01, 2015, 08:11:44 AM
Could you all stop whining & please learn to read?

We can read just fine, and several have answered your question; what we're complaining about is that you have problems understanding answers to an irrelevant question you keep repeating.

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As I have already stated, the point of my question is that if none of you have been to space then you have no direct evidence of anything that supposedly happens up there.

You're also slow to grasp that it's not necessary to personally experience something to know a lot about it, so your "point" is moot. Fortunately, most people are not Zetacists and realize it's possible to learn things from others.

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And you can stop lying too; there are no dead bodies bobbing around in lovely, floaty space.

Has anyone claimed there are?

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The astronauts in nasa's ISS & Moon adverts all seem happy.

Adverts? And, so what if they're happy? They're in an environment few get to experience.

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& only special, worthy people get to go there.

What do you think that sending dullards and losers into space would accomplish? If you haven't noticed, it's expensive and complicated to do that, so why not spend the money on people who can do worthwhile things?

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But enough of that; stick to the point: have any of you been to space yet?

Why should anyone else answer? You ignore the responses you don't want to see.

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Keep on lying & diverting if you wish; as I said before, it only makes you look even more foolish.

Dream away, space-cadets!

To: Bijane, Rayzor & all other confused space-cadets.

I'll say it again, but slower this time to help you understand;

Australia.

Is.

Not.

Space.

Okay?

Yes, we know. You never answered the question, just more bob'n'weave. Have you been to Australia?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 01, 2015, 08:24:00 AM
To: Wall-E.

Yes, cartoon characters are permitted to go to space it seems.

Bugs Bunny, Daffy Duck, Woody Woodpecker & many more have all been.

Yet nobody from this forum has gone.

Though they've given ample evidence that they're quite prepared to lie about it.

So, I (& any neutral readers out there) must conclude that none of their opinions on the subject are in the least bit reliable, accurate or worthwhile.


To: all other space-spammers.

I'm truly sorry that you are unable to tell the difference between Australia (& the ability of the average person to travel there) & outer space.

I just don't know how to help you here.

Look, it's friday; sit back, relax, get a beer, & we'll come back to this later, ok?

Cos you're just making fools of yourselves again & it's becoming a habit.

Have a good weekend, space-dreamers!
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: JerkFace on May 01, 2015, 08:37:23 AM
Have a good weekend, space-dreamers!

Aveagoodweegend too.   I'll buy you a beer if you are ever down under,     and just for future reference I'm almost positive that  Bugs Bunny, Daffy Duck, Woody Woodpecker and others are actually members on this forum. 
If it wasn't them it was someone equally funny.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: mikeman7918 on May 01, 2015, 08:48:21 AM
I'm truly sorry that you are unable to tell the difference between Australia (& the ability of the average person to travel there) & outer space.

That's not the point, the point is that you have never been to Australia and you have never been to soace so if you just use the fact that you have never been to space as evidence that space doesn't exist then under that logic Austrailia doesn't exist because you havn't been there.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on May 01, 2015, 09:01:02 AM
Could you all stop whining & please learn to read?

As I have already stated, the point of my question is that if none of you have been to space then you have no direct evidence of anything that supposedly happens up there.

And you can stop lying too; there are no dead bodies bobbing around in lovely, floaty space.

The astronauts in nasa's ISS & Moon adverts all seem happy.

& only special, worthy people get to go there.

But enough of that; stick to the point: have any of you been to space yet?

Keep on lying & diverting if you wish; as I said before, it only makes you look even more foolish.

Dream away, space-cadets!
You are a very unfunny troll.

Get some new material.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 01, 2015, 09:17:06 AM
To: Jimmythecrab.

I am not a troll, Mr. Crab, though my funniness or otherwise is a matter of opinion over which I have no control.

Anyhow, welcome to the 'debate'; have YOU been to space?

It's a simple 'yes/no' answer, but judging by the other cranks on here you'll prefer trying to make me jump through a few rhetorical hoops before actually owning up to the truth.

Which will be, inevitably, 'no, I have not been to space'.

But whatever; off you go, Mr. Crab... Do your best.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 01, 2015, 09:20:47 AM
Oh, & mikeman.nasa,gov:

Please, just stop.

You're embarrassing yourself.

It's the weekend; enjoy it ffs!

No-one cares about space, cos no-one ever goes there...

Just drop it ok?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Cartesian on May 01, 2015, 09:36:04 AM
Have you been to Australia?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 01, 2015, 09:57:23 AM
You lot really do have an obsession with Australia, don't you?

Whatever; your pathetic attempts at rhetorical trickery won't work.

My knowledge of Australia is not the point here; I don't care if it exists or not & claim no special knowledge of the place.

YOUR knowledge of SPACE is the topic; stick to it.

But you won't, will you?

You'll squirm, bitch-slap, wriggle & do all you can to avoid admitting that none of you have been there & thus your opinion on the subject is worthless.

So: I am forced to repeat myself; has anybody on this forum, bar sock-puppet cartoon characters & liars, actually been to space?

Or have a life, for that matter?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 01, 2015, 10:17:41 AM
To: Bijane.

Australia is not space.

So what?
Your argument is that no one has gone to space, because we personally have not been to space. I am saying that, as you and I personally have not gone to Australia, means it is impossible for anyone to go to Australia.
What, specifically, exempts Australia from your argument? You can't just say they're different; what difference is relevant here?

No, I have not been to space. I don't see why that means I can't hold the view it's possible to go there. You do know there are other ways to gain knowledge, right?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: mikeman7918 on May 01, 2015, 10:36:21 AM
Oh, & mikeman.nasa,gov:

Please, just stop.

You're embarrassing yourself.

It's the weekend; enjoy it ffs!

No-one cares about space, cos no-one ever goes there...

Just drop it ok?

I will drop it once you prove it instead of making assertions.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: markjo on May 01, 2015, 11:31:41 AM
Thanks for asking. It seems a future trip is as follows:
The Branson fully loaded 9 tons space craft SS2 is carried by another plane to altitude 15 000 m, where it is dropped off and glides horizontally at say 100 m/s. The rocket engine is started and burns for 70 seconds. During that short time course is manually changed from horizontal to vertical. After 70 seconds at altitude say 55 000 m and speed say 1100 m/s (acceleration 1.7 g) the engine cuts out (no more fuel) and the SS2, mass now 5 tons - you have burnt 4 tons of solid fuel - continues upwards at reduced speed to an altitude say 100 000 m or more (you are in space!!!) where speed becomes zero. And then SS2 drops down again free fall.
So far, so good.

MaybeSS2 drops with aft end first - nobody knows, the pilots cannot steer it - and after a while SS2 enters thicker air at increased velocity - soon 1100 m/s - where SS2 will start to spin or rotate around itself and all aboard gets airsick or is killed. I doubt the pilots can handle it. It is suggested there are some braking system that can stop a mass of 5 tons at 1100 m/s, but if it works is not known. I doubt it. That's why I think it is not possible to visit space without getting killed.
Except you forgot about the feathered reentry system that stabilizes SS2's reentry without any input from the pilots.
(http://towleroad.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c730253ef015432673153970c-pi)

According Branson SS2 will start to glide as a sail plane, when entering the atmosphere again, but I doubt it.
Doubts are not valid technical reasons.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: markjo on May 01, 2015, 11:42:57 AM
Anyhow, welcome to the 'debate'; have YOU been to space?

It's a simple 'yes/no' answer, but judging by the other cranks on here you'll prefer trying to make me jump through a few rhetorical hoops before actually owning up to the truth.

Which will be, inevitably, 'no, I have not been to space'.
I'm willing to bet that you've never eaten feces in your life, but that doesn't stop you from declaring that nasty stuff tastes like shit.    Whether anyone on this site has ever been to space or not makes not one bit of difference as to the reality of space travel to the more than 500 people that have been to space.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 01, 2015, 11:48:31 AM
To: Bijane.

You have Australia on the brain; see a doctor.

to: mikeman.madman.

Reply to what exactly?

Get some sleep, or get laid, or whatever you need to restore some mental balance.

To: Markjo.

You are just nuts; eating 'fesces'?

Really?


Seriously, kids, I am not here to be your psychotherapist: if you ain't been to space then just butt out, okay?

Please, it's bank holiday bloody weekend; I wanna have some fun.

See you next week; we'll pick it up from there.

Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Alpha2Omega on May 01, 2015, 11:53:39 AM
I'm truly sorry that you are unable to tell the difference between Australia (& the ability of the average person to travel there) & outer space.

Annnnddd, still no answer. The only conclusion is that you have never been to Australia but won't admit it because it ruins your argument.

You lot really do have an obsession with Australia, don't you?

Whatever; your pathetic attempts at rhetorical trickery won't work.

My knowledge of Australia is not the point here; I don't care if it exists or not & claim no special knowledge of the place.

Sure it is. Are you saying Australia doesn't exist since you apparently haven't been there, or that you can't be sure? Whether you care if it exists or not isn't an issue.

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YOUR knowledge of SPACE is the topic; stick to it.

Who appointed you boss?

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But you won't, will you?

What do you want to know about space? Many here would be happy to answer meaningful questions about it. And, no, it's still not necessary to have visited space to know a lot about it; there are other ways of gathering knowledge.

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You'll squirm, bitch-slap, wriggle & do all you can to avoid admitting that none of you have been there & thus your opinion on the subject is worthless.

Speaking of squirming, have you been to Australia? You still haven't answered. A simple yes or no will do, no need for reams of attempted insults and tedium.

If 'no' do you think it exists? Why or why not?

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So: I am forced to repeat myself; has anybody on this forum, bar sock-puppet cartoon characters & liars, actually been to space?

Or have a life, for that matter?

No one is forcing you to ask this, so please stop acting so put-upon.

Is your definition of liar anyone who answers 'yes' to your (repeated once again) irrelevant question? How do you know they're lying? Have you met them personally?

Yes, I do have a life. Quite an enjoyable one, thanks. Do you? If ignorance is bliss, your posts here suggest your life must be blissful.

Have a nice weekend. Take a break from the computer for a while. It'll do you some good.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: mikeman7918 on May 01, 2015, 11:58:45 AM
to: mikeman.madman.

Reply to what exactly?

Get some sleep, or get laid, or whatever you need to restore some mental balance.

I was just asking for evidence to back up your claims, that's not an indication of insanity, what is an indication of insanity is thinking that evidence is for mad men.  No wonder you are a flat earther.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 01, 2015, 12:08:55 PM
Nothing either of you just said makes sense; think before you post.

Please, get a life.

Really; it's getting pitiful now....
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Heiwa on May 01, 2015, 12:09:54 PM

Except you forgot about the feathered reentry system that stabilizes SS2's reentry without any input from the pilots.
(http://towleroad.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c730253ef015432673153970c-pi)


Only problem is that it does not work when you drop backwards. Poor pilots! Watching the sky while they drop down. But no problem! A little later they are dead! And then Bronson can blame them for not braking. Always blame some dead person when things go wrong.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 01, 2015, 12:22:59 PM
Ffs, Heiwa, all the evidence you need that Branson's space-shit is fake is the fact that it allegedly reaches hypersonic velocities yet lands without even a single blister on the sodding paintwork..

But enough of that; has anyone on this forum, bar sockpuppets & cartoon characters, been to space yet?



Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: BJ1234 on May 01, 2015, 12:28:06 PM
Have you been to Australia yet?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: mikeman7918 on May 01, 2015, 12:29:40 PM

Except you forgot about the feathered reentry system that stabilizes SS2's reentry without any input from the pilots.
(http://towleroad.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c730253ef015432673153970c-pi)


Only problem is that it does not work when you drop backwards. Poor pilots! Watching the sky while they drop down. But no problem! A little later they are dead! And then Bronson can blame them for not braking. Always blame some dead person when things go wrong.

Really?  Feathered back ends seem to work pretty well for badminton shuttlecock's and last I checked airplanes worked.  I don't know how you think that that would not work.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 01, 2015, 12:30:59 PM
To: Bijane.

You have Australia on the brain; see a doctor.

I asked a question. Can I expect an answer?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 01, 2015, 12:43:12 PM
To: Bijane.

Either start a new thread asking for the answers you seek, or answer my original question:

Have you been to space?

Really, this is all getting very old.

& neutral observers will see that.

So try another tactic, eh?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: markjo on May 01, 2015, 12:50:11 PM
To: Markjo.

You are just nuts; eating 'fesces'?

Really?
How can you honestly say if something tastes like shit if you don't know what shit tastes like?

Or do you agree that someone doesn't necessarily need to personally experience something in order to have an idea of what it's like?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 01, 2015, 12:56:59 PM
To: Bijane.

Either start a new thread asking for the answers you seek, or answer my original question:

I did answer your question. Now, I'm asking why your question is meaningful.

If you forgot:
"Your argument is that no one has gone to space, because we personally have not been to space. I am saying that, as you and I personally have not gone to Australia, means it is impossible for anyone to go to Australia.
What, specifically, exempts Australia from your argument? You can't just say they're different; what difference is relevant here?"
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 01, 2015, 01:06:18 PM
To: Bijane.

If you want to keep making a fool of yourself, then keep comparing Australia to Space.

I assure you that no-one's buying what you are selling.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: mikeman7918 on May 01, 2015, 01:08:29 PM
To: Bijane.

If you want to keep making a fool of yourself, then keep comparing Australia to Space.

I assure you that no-one's buying what you are selling.

Actually her argument makes perfect sense, and from the looks of things you are evading it.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 01, 2015, 01:15:35 PM
If you want to keep making a fool of yourself, then keep comparing Australia to Space.

I'm not comparing the two, I'm just applying your argument.
Yet again I ask where, specifically, does the comparison fail?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 01, 2015, 01:26:45 PM
Alright; you've all gone fully mental.

I guess I could expect no better.

None of you have been to space, yet somehow I'm the 'crank' because of.. errm.. something, something AUSTRALIA!!

But that's okay, cos I trust  the neutral reader; that's who I write for.

Not full-on maniacs like you.

You're beyond help.

& none of you has been to space.

Never will either...

Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 01, 2015, 01:29:23 PM
None of you have been to space, yet somehow I'm the 'crank' because of.. errm.. something, something AUSTRALIA!!
You're the crank because your argument can just as easily be used to show it is impossible to go to Australia.
Still waiting to hear why that's not true.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 01, 2015, 01:37:59 PM
All you & your pals are doing is bullying me.

Do you want me to admit that bullying is truth?

That Australia is the same as Space?

You are insane.

And you dig yourself  a bigger hole every time you post.

Because none of you have any experience of space travel.

Keep lying; keep making fools of yourself.

the neutral reader will be on my side, I assure you.

You cannot win.

Cos you ain't been to space, have you?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 01, 2015, 01:54:21 PM
All you & your pals are doing is bullying me.

Do you want me to admit that bullying is truth?

That Australia is the same as Space?


If asking a question is bullying, you're just as guilty of it.

I never said that Australia was the same as space, just that your argument applies to it as well. I'm still waiting for a reason why it doesn't. I mean, if it's so different, you should have no problem with answering, right?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 01, 2015, 02:01:03 PM
Australia.

Is.

Not.

Space.

 You are truly insane to compare the two,

Nothing can be done with you.

God help you.

Goodnight.

& happy space-dreams.



Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 01, 2015, 02:05:39 PM
Australia.

Is.

Not.

Space.

 You are truly insane to compare the two,

They are both places to which your logic applies. I ask, yet again, what difference specifically prevents your argument applying to Australia as well?
Try to not evade this time. All I want is an actual answer. The fact I've had to ask this multiple times...
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Alpha2Omega on May 01, 2015, 02:07:55 PM
All you & your pals are doing is bullying me.

Poor baby.

More whining and evasion, still no answer to the question. Have you ever been to Australia? Yes or no?

You may be aware that, because of what you've already said, either answer will undermine your argument, so you think evading and dodging the question will help you avoid looking like a buffoon, but it's too late for that. The best thing you can do now is to simply vanish for a while and hope that this line of discussion will simply disappear and eventually be forgotten. At least that's something you can hope for.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: markjo on May 01, 2015, 03:08:13 PM
Because none of you have any experience of space travel.
So what?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 01, 2015, 04:16:29 PM
Keep eating 'fesces' mjarko;

Keep saying Australia is like Space bijane;

Keep making fools of yourselves;

Keep wasting your lives on nonsense.

Because not one of you has been to 'space' & not one of you has any right to pontificate on the subject.

It couldn't be any simpler; but you just won't see it.

Poor, sad, saps...

Keep dreaming. space-cadets!
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 01, 2015, 04:27:01 PM
Keep saying Australia is like Space bijane

Not what I'm saying at all.
If you're not going to answer my question, you could just say so.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Scroto Gaggins on May 01, 2015, 05:21:31 PM
To: Bijane, Rayzor & all other confused space-cadets.

I'll say it again, but slower this time to help you understand;

Australia.

Is.

Not.

Space.

Okay?

Now; have any of you been to space yet?

I beg to differ,  in Australia we have plenty of space, in fact some parts are nothing but space.
Never forget the drop bears
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Scroto Gaggins on May 01, 2015, 05:28:26 PM
Keep eating 'fesces' mjarko;

Keep saying Australia is like Space bijane;

Keep making fools of yourselves;

Keep wasting your lives on nonsense.

Because not one of you has been to 'space' & not one of you has any right to pontificate on the subject.

It couldn't be any simpler; but you just won't see it.

Poor, sad, saps...

Keep dreaming. space-cadets!
Australia is a location which you (and others) have not been to.
Space is a location which you (and others) have not been to.

Round-earthers claim that both of these locations are accessible and explored.
You reject their claims of the second, but not the first.
That is the logical fallacy which BiJane is pointing out.

FYI I haven't been to space, but neither have I been to the US. should I assume that that doesn't exist as well?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: markjo on May 01, 2015, 06:35:42 PM
Nobody on this forum will ever go to space.

Never, ever.

Because you can't.

Because the laws of physics won't allow it.
Would you care to explain exactly which laws of physics will not allow space travel?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: BJ1234 on May 01, 2015, 07:12:24 PM
Nobody on this forum will ever go to space.

Never, ever.

Because you can't.

Because the laws of physics won't allow it.
Would you care to explain exactly which laws of physics will not allow space travel?
Evolution, DUH!!! ::) ;D
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: ZennerOne on May 01, 2015, 11:58:35 PM
Could you all stop whining & please learn to read?

As I have already stated, the point of my question is that if none of you have been to space then you have no direct evidence of anything that supposedly happens up there.

And you can stop lying too; there are no dead bodies bobbing around in lovely, floaty space.

The astronauts in nasa's ISS & Moon adverts all seem happy.

& only special, worthy people get to go there.

But enough of that; stick to the point: have any of you been to space yet?

Keep on lying & diverting if you wish; as I said before, it only makes you look even more foolish.

Dream away, space-cadets!

I will ignore for the moment the numerous, puerile ad hominems that this person posts, and quote this as the most ludicrous, misinformed, illogical comment for the day:

"...the point of my question is that if none of you have been to space then you have no direct evidence of anything that supposedly happens up there".

I suggest that we stop feeding this all too obvious troll, and maybe he will just go away?  Fingers crossed LOL.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: tappet on May 02, 2015, 02:05:52 AM
So what happens to the bodies in space, do they decompose or because of the vacuum  they become cryovaced?

What bodies in space?
Sorry, my mistake. No one has died in space. Pretty safe environment.
But say they do one day, would they float around and stay fresh because of the vacuum, you know, like a cryoed T bone?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: sceptimatic on May 02, 2015, 02:20:43 AM
Could you all stop whining & please learn to read?

As I have already stated, the point of my question is that if none of you have been to space then you have no direct evidence of anything that supposedly happens up there.

And you can stop lying too; there are no dead bodies bobbing around in lovely, floaty space.

The astronauts in nasa's ISS & Moon adverts all seem happy.

& only special, worthy people get to go there.

But enough of that; stick to the point: have any of you been to space yet?

Keep on lying & diverting if you wish; as I said before, it only makes you look even more foolish.

Dream away, space-cadets!

I will ignore for the moment the numerous, puerile ad hominems that this person posts, and quote this as the most ludicrous, misinformed, illogical comment for the day:

"...the point of my question is that if none of you have been to space then you have no direct evidence of anything that supposedly happens up there".

I suggest that we stop feeding this all too obvious troll, and maybe he will just go away?  Fingers crossed LOL.
ausGeoff, he's not trolling. He's asking a simple question and nobody by Rama has answered.
Only Rama has been to space but he doesn't want to talk about it. Could Rasma be lying or could Rama mean space as in car parking space or something like that?

Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: tappet on May 02, 2015, 02:26:37 AM
That is ausGeoff, you nailed it.
How are ya Geoff?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Scroto Gaggins on May 02, 2015, 03:37:58 AM
Could you all stop whining & please learn to read?

As I have already stated, the point of my question is that if none of you have been to space then you have no direct evidence of anything that supposedly happens up there.

And you can stop lying too; there are no dead bodies bobbing around in lovely, floaty space.

The astronauts in nasa's ISS & Moon adverts all seem happy.

& only special, worthy people get to go there.

But enough of that; stick to the point: have any of you been to space yet?

Keep on lying & diverting if you wish; as I said before, it only makes you look even more foolish.

Dream away, space-cadets!

I will ignore for the moment the numerous, puerile ad hominems that this person posts, and quote this as the most ludicrous, misinformed, illogical comment for the day:

"...the point of my question is that if none of you have been to space then you have no direct evidence of anything that supposedly happens up there".

I suggest that we stop feeding this all too obvious troll, and maybe he will just go away?  Fingers crossed LOL.
ausGeoff, he's not trolling. He's asking a simple question and nobody by Rama has answered.
Only Rama has been to space but he doesn't want to talk about it. Could Rasma be lying or could Rama mean space as in car parking space or something like that?
I answered! I admitted that I hadn't FYI. Do I get a medal? No?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Rama Set on May 02, 2015, 04:53:42 AM
Could you all stop whining & please learn to read?

As I have already stated, the point of my question is that if none of you have been to space then you have no direct evidence of anything that supposedly happens up there.

And you can stop lying too; there are no dead bodies bobbing around in lovely, floaty space.

The astronauts in nasa's ISS & Moon adverts all seem happy.

& only special, worthy people get to go there.

But enough of that; stick to the point: have any of you been to space yet?

Keep on lying & diverting if you wish; as I said before, it only makes you look even more foolish.

Dream away, space-cadets!

I will ignore for the moment the numerous, puerile ad hominems that this person posts, and quote this as the most ludicrous, misinformed, illogical comment for the day:

"...the point of my question is that if none of you have been to space then you have no direct evidence of anything that supposedly happens up there".

I suggest that we stop feeding this all too obvious troll, and maybe he will just go away?  Fingers crossed LOL.
ausGeoff, he's not trolling. He's asking a simple question and nobody by Rama has answered.
Only Rama has been to space but he doesn't want to talk about it. Could Rasma be lying or could Rama mean space as in car parking space or something like that?

I want to answer, but no one asked me any questions.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 02, 2015, 01:03:22 PM
I am being called a troll for asking one simple question.

Meanwhile, the space cadets on this forum have claimed:

* That there are dead people in space,

* That Australia is the same as space (repeatedly & vehemently).

* That eating 'fesces' is somehow relevant to going to space (Markjo; your coprophagia fetish is duly noted. It explains your avatar at any rate).

* That Rama Set is 'the forum daddy'.

* Plus many more inanities & diversions which I can't even be bothered looking back to check up on.

What's more, I have been consistent in my stance throughout; unlike they, who appear to be simply hurling as much mud at me as possible in the hope that something eventually sticks.

So. I ask you: who's acting more like a troll?

They or I?

But whatever; enough of such musings...

Because now I'm here I may as well ask again; have any of you been to space yet?

Do any of you have 1st-hand experience of this thing which you're so very, very certain is real?

You know; the kind of thing you'd need if you were to appear as a witness in court & didn't want your testimony to be thrown out for being merely 'hearsay'?

Because I don't believe any of you have.

And therefore your word on the subject is worthless.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: markjo on May 02, 2015, 01:26:07 PM
Maybe you wouldn't be called a troll if you were to stop foaming at the mouth and explain why first hand experience should be so important to believing that space travel is possible and exactly which laws of physics you think that space travel violates.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 02, 2015, 01:42:08 PM
* That Australia is the same as space (repeatedly & vehemently).

Not one person has said this. In fact, I remember directly saying this is not the case multiple times.
All we're saying is that your logic applies to Australia as well as space. You have also been directly asked for the reason why it does not. We're still waiting on an answer to that.
Australia is different to space. Great, good, got that, always had that. So? It is a place you have not personally been. That is the only trait of space you've brought up: if you're using that to conclude space cannot be reached, you must be concluding the same of Australia.

Seriously, try to answer the question for once. Why does your logic not apply here? What, specifically, is the trait of Australia that exempts it?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: tappet on May 02, 2015, 02:44:28 PM
* That Australia is the same as space (repeatedly & vehemently).

Not one person has said this. In fact, I remember directly saying this is not the case multiple times.
All we're saying is that your logic applies to Australia as well as space. You have also been directly asked for the reason why it does not. We're still waiting on an answer to that.
Australia is different to space. Great, good, got that, always had that. So? It is a place you have not personally been. That is the only trait of space you've brought up: if you're using that to conclude space cannot be reached, you must be concluding the same of Australia.

Seriously, try to answer the question for once. Why does your logic not apply here? What, specifically, is the trait of Australia that exempts it?
Have you been to Australia? Maybe, maybe not.
Can you go there? Of course you can.

Have you been to space? No.
Can you go there? No.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 02, 2015, 02:47:50 PM
Have you been to Australia? Maybe, maybe not.
Can you go there? Of course you can.

Have you been to space? No.
Can you go there? No.
Theoretically, I could: it's just much harder to become an astronaut than it is to buy a plane ticket.

It's also worth pointing out how that's nothing like Papa Legba's argument. He wasn't talking about "Can you..." he repeatedly said "Have you...?"
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 02, 2015, 08:58:52 PM
More whining, lies, diversion & laughably pompous comparisons of Australia to space.

You just won't give that one up will you?

No matter how idiotic it makes you look.

And I have answered your question about 'what laws of physics prevent space travel';

Using the methods claimed by NASA: All Of Them.

You really don't know how to read do you?

But your inability to read, or apply high-school science to NASA's special-effects extravaganzas, is not the point here; there are plenty of other space-threads for you to demonstrate your ignorance on.

No; the point is: have you been to space?

Do you have any first-hand witness evidence for any of your space-beliefs?

It's a 'yes/no' answer, so there's no real need for any of your replies to exceed four characters (assuming you know how to spell & punctuate correctly; not a given).

But they will, won't they?

Dealing with religious zealots is always a tiresome business...
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: JerkFace on May 02, 2015, 09:32:58 PM
i wouldn't be too fussed about Papa Legless,  he's off on a bank holiday weekend bender.   I am a bit curious about his obsession with Australia tho?   Probably still shell shocked after being beaten in the World Cup by Bangladesh.

Just to set the record straight,  video evidence is admissible in court these days, so in a court of law all the video from the ISS would be admissible, and the hundreds of thousands of photographs and mountains of scientific evidence would be also be admissible.    For the opposition,  they would probably roll out a few known loonies of the likes of Bart Sibrel,  I seriously doubt they would damage their credibility by trotting out any flat earthers, knowing that would make them a laughing stock. 

The flat earth society forums seem to be a natural target for trolls,  just google "trolling the flat earth society forum"  and you will get lots of examples where people have bragged about trolling here.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Scroto Gaggins on May 02, 2015, 09:38:52 PM
More whining, lies, diversion & laughably pompous comparisons of Australia to space.

You just won't give that one up will you?

No matter how idiotic it makes you look.

And I have answered your question about 'what laws of physics prevent space travel';

Using the methods claimed by NASA: All Of Them.

You really don't know how to read do you?

But your inability to read, or apply high-school science to NASA's special-effects extravaganzas, is not the point here; there are plenty of other space-threads for you to demonstrate your ignorance on.

No; the point is: have you been to space?

Do you have any first-hand witness evidence for any of your space-beliefs?

It's a 'yes/no' answer, so there's no real need for any of your replies to exceed four characters (assuming you know how to spell & punctuate correctly; not a given).

But they will, won't they?

Dealing with religious zealots is always a tiresome business...
Short Answer: No.

Long Answer: No, I haven't been to space. Neither have I been to Scotland, North Korea, Puerto Rico or Chile.
Do the latter places exist? Should I take other people's words for the existence and nature of the latter places?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: mikeman7918 on May 02, 2015, 11:27:48 PM
Do you have any first-hand witness evidence for any of your space-beliefs?

Yes.

I have seen the International Space Station fly over head, I have used GPS to find my location (which uses satellites), I have seen the Apollo 11 capsule in the Smithsonian, I have seen a Space Shittle, I have had satellite TV, I have seen weather predictions made with the help of satellites come true, there is a live feed from the International Space Station broadcasting 24/7, and the list goes on and on.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 03, 2015, 01:26:05 AM
Bijane states that theoretically she could go to space.

'Theoretically'; indeed.

So, Bijane; you pop along to the theoretical space-travel agent, buy a theoretical space-ticket, jump on a theoretical rocket, whiz up to the theoretical ISS, have a lovely, floaty time with the happy, smiley theoretical folk up there (& don't forget to look out for all the dead people!), then jump back into your theoretical rocket for a gentle theoretical splashdown, whereupon you can return here to triumphantly vanquish me & banish me from the forum.

Or dress me in an orange jump-suit & behead me, or whatever it is that religious fundamentalists do to heretics these days.

Somehow, I doubt any of the above will be happening any time soon...

Seriously; I don't NEED to troll you - you troll yourselves pretty much every time you post.

And, again, please do learn to read; I asked for 1st-hand witness evidence, i.e. you personally witnessed space travel.

Looking at lights in the sky, crummy videos & junk in museums does not count.

But I'll try to keep it even simpler in future, due to your obvious special needs; so: HAVE. YOU. BEEN. TO. SPACE?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Scroto Gaggins on May 03, 2015, 01:32:48 AM
No. But I concede other peoples expertise in the area of astrophysics.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 03, 2015, 02:09:30 AM
Bijane states that theoretically she could go to space.

'Theoretically'; indeed.
You are aware of theoretically means, right? If I was so inclined, I could enter training to become an astronaut/cosmonaut and might be able to end up in space. Those people aren't chosen at birth. I just don't have any wish to. Sure, it's harder: never said it wasn't.

Quote
And, again, please do learn to read; I asked for 1st-hand witness evidence, i.e. you personally witnessed space travel.
And you've been shown how the lack of it doesn't mean anything. Australia, yet again. I've repeatedly asked you why your logic does not apply there. What trait, specifically, is the problem? How many times do I have to ask you to get an answer? I've answered your question, please answer mine.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Doglover on May 03, 2015, 06:57:00 AM
I am being called a troll for asking one simple question.

Meanwhile, the space cadets on this forum have claimed:

* That there are dead people in space,

* That Australia is the same as space (repeatedly & vehemently).

* That eating 'fesces' is somehow relevant to going to space (Markjo; your coprophagia fetish is duly noted. It explains your avatar at any rate).

* That Rama Set is 'the forum daddy'.

* Plus many more inanities & diversions which I can't even be bothered looking back to check up on.

What's more, I have been consistent in my stance throughout; unlike they, who appear to be simply hurling as much mud at me as possible in the hope that something eventually sticks.

So. I ask you: who's acting more like a troll?

They or I?

But whatever; enough of such musings...

Because now I'm here I may as well ask again; have any of you been to space yet?

Do any of you have 1st-hand experience of this thing which you're so very, very certain is real?

You know; the kind of thing you'd need if you were to appear as a witness in court & didn't want your testimony to be thrown out for being merely 'hearsay'?

Because I don't believe any of you have.

And therefore your word on the subject is worthless.

Has anyone here ever met Papa Legba face to face? So can anyone prove Papa REALLY exists? I think not!
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: markjo on May 03, 2015, 07:30:44 AM
And I have answered your question about 'what laws of physics prevent space travel';

Using the methods claimed by NASA: All Of Them.
Then it shouldn't be hard for you to humor me and give a few.

You really don't know how to read do you?

But your inability to read, or apply high-school science to NASA's special-effects extravaganzas, is not the point here; there are plenty of other space-threads for you to demonstrate your ignorance on.
What makes you think that high school physics is enough launch a space ship?

No; the point is: have you been to space?
No, but I've never been to Australia either.

Do you have any first-hand witness evidence for any of your space-beliefs?
No, but I don't have any first-hand experience that Australia exists either.

It's a 'yes/no' answer, so there's no real need for any of your replies to exceed four characters (assuming you know how to spell & punctuate correctly; not a given).

But they will, won't they?

Dealing with religious zealots is always a tiresome business...
Yes, almost as tiresome as dealing with atheistic zealots.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: mikeman7918 on May 03, 2015, 03:07:20 PM
Looking at lights in the sky, crummy videos & junk in museums does not count.

If you look at the International Space Station with a telescope then you can see it's shape, and videos do prove something if they are transmitted using satellites.  My phone can communicate with GPS satellites to figure out it's location and that's impossible unless there are actually satellites orbiting the Earth.

By the way, I have not been to space.  That proves nothing though.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 03, 2015, 09:23:40 PM
Imagine the scene in the courtroom:

Prosecutor: 'What evidence do you have for space travel, Mr. Nerdgasm?'

Witness: ' My television works.'

Prosecutor: 'Inconclusive; anything else?'

Witness: 'I see lights in the sky.'

Prosecutor: 'Still inconclusive. Let me rephrase the question; have you been to space?'

Witness: 'Have you been to Australia?'

Prosecutor: 'Irrelevant. Have you been to space?'

Witness: 'Space is like eating faeces.'

Judge (interrupting): 'Will the witness please answer the question?'

Witness: 'HAVE YOU BEEN TO AUSTRALIA???'

Judge: 'Contempt of court! Seven days remand. Bailiff, escort the prisoner to a padded cell.'

Which pretty much sums up all your arguments thus far.

Of course, this is not a courtroom, but I assure you that the neutral readers out there are a form of jury.

And they will not be on your side.

Markjo: please do learn to read: what do you not understand about the word 'all'?

Frankly, you're lucky I choose to respond to you at all after your irrelevant & disgusting coprophagia posts.

They, and your diaper-inspecting animal avatar, say a lot about you.

But enough of all that; has anyone here actually been to space yet?

Except 'theoretically', of course...
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: mikeman7918 on May 03, 2015, 09:48:24 PM
Here is how I think it would go:

Prosecutor: What proof do you have that space travel is real?

Witness: I can see the International Space Station flying overhead.

Prosecutor: How do you know that that's the International Space Station?

Witness: I can look at it with my telescope and see it's shape, also it could not cover as much ground as it does unless it's traveling 17,000 miles per hour.

Prosecutor: Do you have any other proof?

Witness: I regularly communicate with satellites for TV and GPS, and there are also satellite phones which can work even if there are no cell towers around.

Prosecutor: Is that everything?

Witness: Nope.  Rocket launches are public events which anyone can watch and in order for them to be fake you would need to have literally tens of millions of conspirators and that's a conservative estimate.  All employees of all space egancues both commercial and government who work with rockets would have to be in on it and also every private contractor who works with space agencies would have to be managed and staffed by conspirators.

Prosecutor: What does this prove?

Witness: The only way to keep a conspiracy going is to let as few people know about it as possible, but what your suggesting is that at least 1 out of every 100 people would be in on the conspiracy, and that's just what's needed to fake space travel excluding those who would need to be conspirators to make everyone believe that the Earth is round if the Earth were flat.

Prosecutor: Well...  Ummm...  The Earth kind of looks flat.


What conclusion do you think the jury would come to after hearing that?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 04, 2015, 01:38:15 AM
To: mikeman.nasa.gov.

They'd come to the conclusion that you haven't been to space.

Which you've already admitted, remember?

So you have no direct & unambiguous empirical evidence for what it's like.

Which you just admitted again in yet another humourless, self-trolling post full of blah & fail.

Keep on making a fool of yourself if you wish; but if it ends up in another childish, foot-stomping, mental breakdown like it did on friday then I will show you no sympathy this time.

Enough of that though; has anybody here actually been to space yet?

Except for liars, or theoretically, or in your dreams?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: FakeWorlder on May 04, 2015, 01:43:25 AM
To: mikeman.nasa.gov.

They'd come to the conclusion that you haven't been to space.

Which you've already admitted, remember?

So you have no direct & unambiguous empirical evidence for what it's like.

Which you just admitted again in yet another humourless, self-trolling post full of blah & fail.

Keep on making a fool of yourself if you wish; but if it ends up in another childish, foot-stomping, mental breakdown like it did on friday then I will show you no sympathy this time.

Enough of that though; has anybody here actually been to space yet?

Except for liars, or theoretically, or in your dreams?
We've told you many times, nobody here has been to space. You are correct. However, personal verification is not the only way to prove something exists. I've never been to Greenland. How do I know it exists? Because people talk about it, have pictures of it and I see it on TV and other reliable sources. There are many witness reports and in order to fake it hundreds of people would have to be paid off.
Now, replace "Greenland" with "space".
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Scroto Gaggins on May 04, 2015, 01:44:38 AM
To: mikeman.nasa.gov.

They'd come to the conclusion that you haven't been to space.

Which you've already admitted, remember?

So you have no direct & unambiguous empirical evidence for what it's like.

Which you just admitted again in yet another humourless, self-trolling post full of blah & fail.

Keep on making a fool of yourself if you wish; but if it ends up in another childish, foot-stomping, mental breakdown like it did on friday then I will show you no sympathy this time.

Enough of that though; has anybody here actually been to space yet?

Except for liars, or theoretically, or in your dreams?
Haven't we shown enough times that the logic you are using is flawed?
All those Australia shenanigans.

By the way, how high would you constitute "space"?

And it is normal for mikeman to be humourless, as he has Aspergers. just to let ya know.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 04, 2015, 03:04:15 AM
Hi Papa Legba! Many of us have answered your question. How long is it going to be before you actually answer mine?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 04, 2015, 04:40:00 AM
Bijane: I'll answer your question when it isn't an irrelevant allusion to a fallacious analogy.
The mere fact that you seem to think that my stating whether or not I have been to Australia will somehow grant you a Great Victory shows how utterly desperate & lost in delusion you are.
But please keep asking me, as every time you do so it undermines your credibility just a little more, makes you look that bit more stupid...

Scroto gaggins: You have shown Nothing, except that you are variously liars, theoretical space travellers & none of you have any 1st-hand experience of space.
Oh, & that Rama Set is 'the forum daddy'.
As for mikeman's aspergers, why should I take the word of one anonymous, unidentifiable internet persona regarding the mental condition of another internet nobody seriously?
Stop fishing for sympathy; you all mean nothing to me, okay? You are a plague on this site & if any of you continue to post nonsense I will continue to point it out.

Fakeworlder: Greenland now? What was wrong with Australia? If you choose to employ silly analogies at least stick to the same one.

So; once more, from the top: have any of you humourless astro-drones been to space yet & thus actually have 1st-hand experience of this thing that you are so adamant is real?

I say you don't & therefore your word on the subject is worthless.

Keep grinding away; keep making fools of yourselves; you cannot win.

Because none of you have been to space.

 
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Scroto Gaggins on May 04, 2015, 04:54:26 AM
Bijane: I'll answer your question when it isn't an irrelevant allusion to a fallacious analogy.
The mere fact that you seem to think that my stating whether or not I have been to Australia will somehow grant you a Great Victory shows how utterly desperate & lost in delusion you are.
But please keep asking me, as every time you do so it undermines your credibility just a little more, makes you look that bit more stupid...

Scroto gaggins: You have shown Nothing, except that you are variously liars, theoretical space travellers & none of you have any 1st-hand experience of space.
Oh, & that Rama Set is 'the forum daddy'.
As for mikeman's aspergers, why should I take the word of one anonymous, unidentifiable internet persona regarding the mental condition of another internet nobody seriously?
Stop fishing for sympathy; you all mean nothing to me, okay? You are a plague on this site & if any of you continue to post nonsense I will continue to point it out.

Fakeworlder: Greenland now? What was wrong with Australia? If you choose to employ silly analogies at least stick to the same one.

So; once more, from the top: have any of you humourless astro-drones been to space yet & thus actually have 1st-hand experience of this thing that you are so adamant is real?

I say you don't & therefore your word on the subject is worthless.

Keep grinding away; keep making fools of yourselves; you cannot win.

Because none of you have been to space.
But will you acknowledge the fact that we have shown your logic to be flawed?

i.e. That saying because one hasn't been to a location, then one cannot claim any knowledge whatsoever.
Is that correct?

Because we have shown that when we insert Australia, for example, as the location unvisited, that the logic is unsound. Why should this not be the same with the location and accessibility of space?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: FakeWorlder on May 04, 2015, 04:55:33 AM
Bijane: I'll answer your question when it isn't an irrelevant allusion to a fallacious analogy.
The mere fact that you seem to think that my stating whether or not I have been to Australia will somehow grant you a Great Victory shows how utterly desperate & lost in delusion you are.
But please keep asking me, as every time you do so it undermines your credibility just a little more, makes you look that bit more stupid...

Scroto gaggins: You have shown Nothing, except that you are variously liars, theoretical space travellers & none of you have any 1st-hand experience of space.
Oh, & that Rama Set is 'the forum daddy'.
As for mikeman's aspergers, why should I take the word of one anonymous, unidentifiable internet persona regarding the mental condition of another internet nobody seriously?
Stop fishing for sympathy; you all mean nothing to me, okay? You are a plague on this site & if any of you continue to post nonsense I will continue to point it out.

Fakeworlder: Greenland now? What was wrong with Australia? If you choose to employ silly analogies at least stick to the same one.

So; once more, from the top: have any of you humourless astro-drones been to space yet & thus actually have 1st-hand experience of this thing that you are so adamant is real?

I say you don't & therefore your word on the subject is worthless.

Keep grinding away; keep making fools of yourselves; you cannot win.

Because none of you have been to space.
I chose Greenland since I doubt anyone here has been there, therefore it is a better analogy than Australia.

The reason we keep using the analogies is to show YOUR LOGIC IS FLAWED. You can not decide that space does not exist simply because we have not been there. Here is a list of evidence space exists:
1. Rocket launches are public events, where do the rockets go if not to space?
2. I have personally seen the ISS and a number of different satellites with a telescope.
3. I have observed various planets with a telescope.
4. I PERSONALLY saw the meteorite come down in Russia. Please explain that.
5. There is no problem with the laws of physics that don't allow space to exist.

I can come up with some more evidence if you want.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: markjo on May 04, 2015, 05:22:52 AM
Markjo: please do learn to read: what do you not understand about the word 'all'?
If you're saying that space flight violates all laws of physics, then why don't you start by explaining just how it violates each of Newton's 3 laws of motion?  I remind you that there is a difference between claiming something and explaining something.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: FakeWorlder on May 04, 2015, 05:26:04 AM
Markjo: please do learn to read: what do you not understand about the word 'all'?
If you're saying that space flight violates all laws of physics, then why don't you start by explaining just how it violates each of Newton's 3 laws of motion?  I remind you that there is a difference between claiming something and explaining something.
And if you didn't mean that, start by explaining how it violates ANY laws of physics.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: ZennerOne on May 04, 2015, 05:36:49 AM
It has become more than obvious by now that PAPA LEGBA is nothing more than a troll with far too much time on his hands.  I suggest people just ignore his puerile posts and nonsensical pseudo-logic, and hopefully he will just go away and avoid embarrassing himself even further.

And why is it that the moderators don't ban intellectually-challenged people who have absolutely nothing positive to contribute to these forums, and whose sole purpose is to insult peoples' intelligence and/or starting flame wars?  Do not the moderators care?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Alpha2Omega on May 04, 2015, 06:30:05 AM
It has become more than obvious by now that PAPA LEGBA is nothing more than a troll with far too much time on his hands.  I suggest people just ignore his puerile posts and nonsensical pseudo-logic, and hopefully he will just go away and avoid embarrassing himself even further.

He's the one who comes across as the stubborn dolt in this "discussion". The best thing that could happen for him would be for his "argument" to simply be forgotten. For that to happen, he has to move on. Every time he stubbornly repeats the same nonsense, it's right back front and center for all to see and most to laugh at.

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And why is it that the moderators don't ban intellectually-challenged people who have absolutely nothing positive to contribute to these forums, and whose sole purpose is to insult peoples' intelligence and/or starting flame wars?  Do not the moderators care?

This is the Flat Earth Society. Its target audience is intellectually-challenged people and those who pretend to be for the fun of it. If you ban these guys, no one would promote the rather strange notion that the Earth is flat, and there would be no ignorance, flawed logic, and poor math for the rest of us to point out. Sometimes these are obvious, sometimes hard to see immediately, but always there, which makes participation fun and sometimes educational.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 04, 2015, 07:30:47 AM
Bijane: I'll answer your question when it isn't an irrelevant allusion to a fallacious analogy.
The mere fact that you seem to think that my stating whether or not I have been to Australia will somehow grant you a Great Victory shows how utterly desperate & lost in delusion you are.
But please keep asking me, as every time you do so it undermines your credibility just a little more, makes you look that bit more stupid...

Actually I've been asking why, specifically, you're rejecting the analogy as irrelevant. Have been for a while.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 04, 2015, 12:58:58 PM
To: bijane'
Yes, and you can keep asking; tappet answered you already, as did I, but you chose to ignore us, demonstrating yet again your reading comprehension issues & general bumbling idiocy.

To: everyone else.
You seem to be under the impression that this is some form of 'debate'; it is not.

It is a massacre.

You know, after what I was told about mikeman.nasa.gov - & with me being such a sympatico guy - I've been researching Asperger's syndrome...

And judging by the symptoms I'd say you've ALL got it.

But wtf is a 'hugbox'?

Do any of you own one?

Anyhoo, enough of that; anyone popped up to space while I was gone? Don't tell me you all wasted a beautiful bank holiday monday spewing out ignorant, pompous posts on a forum you don't like & you're not welcome on?

Some might consider that trolling... It's certainly a tragic waste of your life at any rate!

But don't worry, I won't report you to the moderators; cos no-one likes a tattle-tale do they?

Hey, ho; bedtime for me. In view of your now clearly stated 'special needs' I'll repeat my question again, but veeery slowly this time so you can understand:

HAVE.

ANY.

OF.

YOU.

BEEN.

TO.

SPACE?

YES?

OR.

NO?

Oh, & ZennerOne/ausGeoff - LOL!
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 04, 2015, 01:04:36 PM
To: bijane'
Yes, and you can keep asking; tappet answered you already, as did I, but you chose to ignore us, demonstrating yet again your reading comprehension issues & general bumbling idiocy.

Tappet answered in a way which undercuts your point, so if you want to go with that answer, feel free, but you'll need to stop repeating yourself. You know your question's been answered, right?
You have never answered. You've just blithely handwaved and "Australia isn't space!" Great, I never claimed it was. What, specifically, makes not having gone to Australia less of an issue than not having gone to space?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 04, 2015, 01:16:24 PM
Bijane: you are comedy gold.

Now go to bed.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: markjo on May 04, 2015, 01:21:09 PM
Hey, ho; bedtime for me. In view of your now clearly stated 'special needs' I'll repeat my question again, but veeery slowly this time so you can understand:

HAVE.

ANY.

OF.

YOU.

BEEN.

TO.

SPACE?

YES?

OR.

NO?

WHAT.

DOES.

IT.

MATTER?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: FakeWorlder on May 04, 2015, 01:25:09 PM
To: bijane'
Yes, and you can keep asking; tappet answered you already, as did I, but you chose to ignore us, demonstrating yet again your reading comprehension issues & general bumbling idiocy.

To: everyone else.
You seem to be under the impression that this is some form of 'debate'; it is not.

It is a massacre.

You know, after what I was told about mikeman.nasa.gov - & with me being such a sympatico guy - I've been researching Asperger's syndrome...

And judging by the symptoms I'd say you've ALL got it.

But wtf is a 'hugbox'?

Do any of you own one?

Anyhoo, enough of that; anyone popped up to space while I was gone? Don't tell me you all wasted a beautiful bank holiday monday spewing out ignorant, pompous posts on a forum you don't like & you're not welcome on?

Some might consider that trolling... It's certainly a tragic waste of your life at any rate!

But don't worry, I won't report you to the moderators; cos no-one likes a tattle-tale do they?

Hey, ho; bedtime for me. In view of your now clearly stated 'special needs' I'll repeat my question again, but veeery slowly this time so you can understand:

HAVE.

ANY.

OF.

YOU.

BEEN.

TO.

SPACE?

YES?

OR.

NO?

Oh, & ZennerOne/ausGeoff - LOL!
Jesus Christ you are one stubborn idiot.
This is indeed a massacre, we have proven your points useless many times and you convieniently ignored my proof of space.
We have proved space exists and none of us have been there.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 04, 2015, 01:34:12 PM
Bijane: you are comedy gold.
No answer then? Ok.

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Now go to bed.
Apparently even time zones are outside yoru understanding.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: tappet on May 04, 2015, 02:18:06 PM
We have proved space exists and none of us have been there.
Your name says it all.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 04, 2015, 09:55:18 PM
Bijane: I couldn't answer your post because it was gibberish; reading it was like looking at a semantic car-crash.

You really are unable to tell the difference between Words & Reality, aren't you?

& why the hell should I care enough about you to find out what time-zone you inhabit?

Or believe you about anything for that matter?

But then, extreme self-absorption is a symptom of aspergers isn't it?

Now get back in your hugbox (I googled it - & LOL!!) until your next hilarious self-trolling session.

I gotta go to work now, but while I'm here I may as well ask if any of you mob of dunces have been to space yet?

Cos if you ain't then you've no direct, unambiguous empirical evidence for what it's like.

Just hearsay, assumption, supposition & opinion... None of which are worth a damn.

Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: FlatOrange on May 04, 2015, 09:59:13 PM
Bijane: I couldn't answer your post because it was gibberish; reading it was like looking at a semantic car-crash.

You really are unable to tell the difference between Words & Reality, aren't you?

& why the hell should I care enough about you to find out what time-zone you inhabit?

Or believe you about anything for that matter?

But then, extreme self-absorption is a symptom of aspergers isn't it?

Now get back in your hugbox (I googled it - & LOL!!) until your next hilarious self-trolling session.

I gotta go to work now, but while I'm here I may as well ask if any of you mob of dunces have been to space yet?

Cos if you ain't then you've no direct, unambiguous empirical evidence for what it's like.

Just hearsay, assumption, supposition & opinion... None of which are worth a damn.

Have fun scrubbing toilets!
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: FakeWorlder on May 04, 2015, 11:05:51 PM
We have proved space exists and none of us have been there.
Your name says it all.
I'm not sure if you're arguing against me, my point was that we have conclusive proof that space exists which did not involve is going there

Papa legba, you still haven't answered my evidence. I will take it that you are admitting space exists.
Also, 1 shred of evidence that space doesn't exist? Such as provably false pictures or a law of physics space would break?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 05, 2015, 01:36:47 AM
I may as well ask if any of you mob of dunces have been to space yet?

Cos if you ain't then you've no direct, unambiguous empirical evidence for what it's like.

Just hearsay, assumption, supposition & opinion... None of which are worth a damn.

So if that's the only question that's required to determine whether or not we can tell anything about a place, my question about Australia is still looking pretty relevant.
Any reason why it's not? Still waiting...
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: ZennerOne on May 05, 2015, 02:34:33 AM
I apologise in advance for posting this comment again, but it needs repeating.

It has become apparent now that PAPA LEGBA is nothing more than a very persistent TROLL with far too much time on his hands.  If we all simply ignore his childish posts and abject irrationality, then hopefully he will just go away to avoid further making a fool of himself.

And why haven't the moderators banned this kiddy, who has nothing relevant to contribute to the thread, and whose sole purpose is to insult everybody else and disrupt the forum?  Am I correct in saying that the moderators do not care?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: tappet on May 05, 2015, 02:44:22 AM
I apologise in advance for posting this comment again, but it needs repeating.

It has become apparent now that PAPA LEGBA ausGeoff is nothing more than a very persistent TROLL with far too much time on his hands.  If we all simply ignore his childish posts and abject irrationality, then hopefully he will just go away to avoid further making a fool of himself.

And why haven't the moderators banned this kiddy, who has nothing relevant to contribute to the thread, and whose sole purpose is to insult everybody else and disrupt the forum?  Am I correct in saying that the moderators do not care?
Fixed.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: sceptimatic on May 05, 2015, 02:48:37 AM
I apologise in advance for posting this comment again, but it needs repeating.

It has become apparent now that PAPA LEGBA is nothing more than a very persistent TROLL with far too much time on his hands.  If we all simply ignore his childish posts and abject irrationality, then hopefully he will just go away to avoid further making a fool of himself.

And why haven't the moderators banned this kiddy, who has nothing relevant to contribute to the thread, and whose sole purpose is to insult everybody else and disrupt the forum?  Am I correct in saying that the moderators do not care?
Geoffrey, stop making it your life's goal to have everyone banned from a forum that you totally disagree with.
Papa asked a very pertinent question.
None of you have been to space apart from Rama and he doesn't want to talk about it.
Now because none of you , except for Rama, have been to space, it means that your reliance on pictures and text books, plus word of mouth, as all you have in terms of expertise.

Bringing up Australia is neither here nor there because if you haven't been to Australia then you have no expertise over that.

All you people are doing is living in a fantasy world that was created for you using words and pictures/video. No different to what Hollywood creates for the ever willing fantasy viewer.

I await Rama set to tell us all about his space exploits if he's up to it.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 05, 2015, 04:40:32 AM
Bringing up Australia is neither here nor there because if you haven't been to Australia then you have no expertise over that.
The problem with that statement is that you still accept various things about Australia, that you refuse to accept about space. For example: it's possible to go there.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: sceptimatic on May 05, 2015, 04:47:41 AM
Bringing up Australia is neither here nor there because if you haven't been to Australia then you have no expertise over that.
The problem with that statement is that you still accept various things about Australia, that you refuse to accept about space. For example: it's possible to go there.
But if I'd never been there I couldn't profess to be an expert on it or know anything about it physically. I'd be relying on seconds hand info.

The other thing is, you can go to a place called Australia right now and alnd on an area that states it. You won't know it's on a globe but at least you will see a portion of what is Australia.
Now get in a rocket and go to space. What's your chances?
If you are not naive, you will accept your chances are zero. You may believe space exists but you have no way of knowing for sure. You have never seen anything at all that proves beyond reasonable doubt that space exists.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 05, 2015, 05:23:18 AM
But if I'd never been there I couldn't profess to be an expert on it or know anything about it physically. I'd be relying on seconds hand info.
Just as you are for most things. You're relying on second hand info that if you tie yourself to a weight and jump in a river, you'll die: you've never done that, you've never spoken to anyone after they've done that. For all you know it might give you superpowers: you're relying on second and maybe even third hand info of people who've studied that.

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The other thing is, you can go to a place called Australia right now and alnd on an area that states it. You won't know it's on a globe but at least you will see a portion of what is Australia.
Now get in a rocket and go to space. What's your chances?
I could apparently do that (though maybe I'm just drugged with hallucinogens, or dropped off in a desert, or killed. We have only the second-hand info of people who claim to have gone to Australia to say that won't happen). I could also change degrees and study to become an astronaut: maybe emigrate. People aren't born to serve NASA, they seek employment there just like they do anywhere else.

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You have never seen anything at all that proves beyond reasonable doubt that space exists.
What is your definition of 'reasonable doubt'?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: markjo on May 05, 2015, 06:23:50 AM
I gotta go to work now, but while I'm here I may as well ask if any of you mob of dunces have been to space yet?

Cos if you ain't then you've no direct, unambiguous empirical evidence for what it's like.

Just hearsay, assumption, supposition & opinion... None of which are worth a damn.
Why do you think that personal experience is the best way of gathering evidence?  What's wrong with taking the word of people or probes who have been to space?  I've never been to Antarctica, but people who have say that it's th*rking cold there and I take their word for it. 
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: sceptimatic on May 05, 2015, 07:19:03 AM
But if I'd never been there I couldn't profess to be an expert on it or know anything about it physically. I'd be relying on seconds hand info.
Just as you are for most things. You're relying on second hand info that if you tie yourself to a weight and jump in a river, you'll die: you've never done that, you've never spoken to anyone after they've done that. For all you know it might give you superpowers: you're relying on second and maybe even third hand info of people who've studied that.

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The other thing is, you can go to a place called Australia right now and alnd on an area that states it. You won't know it's on a globe but at least you will see a portion of what is Australia.
Now get in a rocket and go to space. What's your chances?
I could apparently do that (though maybe I'm just drugged with hallucinogens, or dropped off in a desert, or killed. We have only the second-hand info of people who claim to have gone to Australia to say that won't happen). I could also change degrees and study to become an astronaut: maybe emigrate. People aren't born to serve NASA, they seek employment there just like they do anywhere else.

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You have never seen anything at all that proves beyond reasonable doubt that space exists.
What is your definition of 'reasonable doubt'?
Reasonable doubt would be seeing something reasonable to do with space. Things like watching an astronaut get into a rocket and take off. Being in a waiting helicopter for the touchdown of a soyuz capsule, then opening it up to see astronauts in it. You know...stuff like that.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: sceptimatic on May 05, 2015, 07:21:36 AM
I gotta go to work now, but while I'm here I may as well ask if any of you mob of dunces have been to space yet?

Cos if you ain't then you've no direct, unambiguous empirical evidence for what it's like.

Just hearsay, assumption, supposition & opinion... None of which are worth a damn.
Why do you think that personal experience is the best way of gathering evidence?  What's wrong with taking the word of people or probes who have been to space?  I've never been to Antarctica, but people who have say that it's th*rking cold there and I take their word for it.
It's cold on many places on Earth but it doesn't mean it's Antarctica.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: iWitness on May 05, 2015, 08:00:04 AM
Seriously people, if I was a loyal space fan and Nasa supporter through the years I would seriously be pissed off at the lack of progress in 50 years of operation.

They so EASILY did these amazing things 50 years ago, but the common person you and me, can't even hop in our space ship and travel to the moon. Where the heck is a Moon base dammit?

Why the heck aren't there private space industries shipping things in space and building space stations and restaurants like the freakin Jetsons? This is ridiculous.....

Sure they can travel 220,000 miles to the moon in the 60s in 72 hours using a calculator... sure they can... but you can't travel 100,000 feet in 2015.

Where the hell is my lunar lander? Why can't I just take off and float around so easily in space?

Give me a break...

Look guys they're living in SPACE!  ;D

(http://#ws)
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: mikeman7918 on May 05, 2015, 08:14:07 AM
Seriously people, if I was a loyal space fan and Nasa supporter through the years I would seriously be pissed off at the lack of progress in 50 years of operation.

They so EASILY did these amazing things 50 years ago, but the common person you and me, can't even hop in our space ship and travel to the moon. Where the heck is a Moon base dammit?

Why the heck aren't there private space industries shipping things in space and building space stations and restaurants like the freakin Jetsons? This is ridiculous.....

Sure they can travel 220,000 miles to the moon in the 60s in 72 hours using a calculator... sure they can... but you can't travel 100,000 feet in 2015.

Where the hell is my lunar lander? Why can't I just take off and float around so easily in space?

Give me a break...

Look guys they're living in SPACE!  ;D

(http://#ws)

No progress?  What do you call the asteroid redirect mission and the manned Mars mission that are planned to happen in the next 29 years?

There actually are space tourism industries and there are even some that do things like build and sell small space stations.  Space tourism is a new industry and it's growing fast.

You talk about the Apollo missions as if they were easy, but it took a world power in a Cold War many years to make it happen.  Just look at a Saturn V, the things are bigger then most sky scrapers.  Do you honestly think that civilians can afford to buy something like that?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 05, 2015, 10:22:10 AM
Reasonable doubt would be seeing something reasonable to do with space. Things like watching an astronaut get into a rocket and take off. Being in a waiting helicopter for the touchdown of a soyuz capsule, then opening it up to see astronauts in it. You know...stuff like that.
I've never watched anyone get into a plane bound for Australia, or watched a plane from Australia land and see people come out. Should I then conclude that it would be reasonable for me to doubt that people can go to Australia?

Also, an individual example is not a definition. What criteria does 'reasonable doubt' meet?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: sceptimatic on May 05, 2015, 11:27:04 AM
Reasonable doubt would be seeing something reasonable to do with space. Things like watching an astronaut get into a rocket and take off. Being in a waiting helicopter for the touchdown of a soyuz capsule, then opening it up to see astronauts in it. You know...stuff like that.
I've never watched anyone get into a plane bound for Australia, or watched a plane from Australia land and see people come out. Should I then conclude that it would be reasonable for me to doubt that people can go to Australia?

Also, an individual example is not a definition. What criteria does 'reasonable doubt' meet?
You know what common sense is. You know what reasonable doubt is or even reasonable acceptance. It's all there for you to ponder but for some strange reason you decide to accept stuff that over the years, makes less and less logical sense, as in space travel.

It's gone backwards. Now let me put this to you in a me to you basis as if we were sat face to face in a chair, alone over a drink, logically putting the world to rights.

You think it's sensible and logical to shut down a shuttle after all this time that takes 7 people into space (allegedly) and has suffered very little in terms of disaster compared to success that can comfotably carry 7 astronot's as well as dock and supply a space station than glide back to Earth...in favour of  going back to the old Apollo type landing of a cone...not into the sea this time but to smash into the land somewhere barren using a parachute and a supposed detonator underneath a discarded heat shield that arrests the parachute fall for only 3 cramped to death astronot's.


You think this is going forwards? you think this is sensible and makes sense? you have no mind to question it all and say, " hang on a minute here...something's wrong."
You just blindly accept it all being above board.

You don't really need to answer this, I know what's coming and I can't be arsed to argue it. All I'll say is, if that's your attitude, then carry on but it's all there in your face as to how frigging stupid those people at the top think the gullible public are.

They are just taking the piss out of you and you smile and ask for more nonsense. ::)

Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 05, 2015, 11:37:10 AM
You know what common sense is. You know what reasonable doubt is or even reasonable acceptance. It's all there for you to ponder but for some strange reason you decide to accept stuff that over the years, makes less and less logical sense, as in space travel.
I know what it is, I'm wondering if you do, as your definition seems to clearly be different to mine. Personally I think it is reasonable to trust what people say if a) what they say is corroborated, b) if they have no proven reason to lie, and c) if they are experts unlikely to be mistaken. As you don't seem to agree, this is why I asked.

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You think this is going forwards? you think this is sensible and makes sense? you have no mind to question it all and say, " hang on a minute here...something's wrong."
You just blindly accept it all being above board.
Well, I think things meant for different purposes will need to be very different.

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You don't really need to answer this, I know what's coming and I can't be arsed to argue it. All I'll say is, if that's your attitude, then carry on but it's all there in your face as to how frigging stupid those people at the top think the gullible public are.
Or maybe you're the one who's being stupid here. If there s a conspiracy, I'm pretty sure the people at the top would actually put some thought into it rather than have it so simple that unqualified randoms can see through it.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Cartesian on May 05, 2015, 11:43:49 AM
It's 2015 and you haven't even been to Australia
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 05, 2015, 01:02:46 PM
To: tappet, sceptimatic & Iwitness.
Thank you for showing that there are sensible people on this forum.

To: everyone else.
I was going to write a long post answering your various responses.

But then I thought: 'Nah; why waste your time on a bunch of autistic robot meat-puppets?'

Like I've said, any sane adult who thinks that repeatedly shouting 'AUSTRALIA!' will prove space travel is real is too far gone to help.

So I'll just say instead: 'STFU & get back in your hugboxes!'

Cos you ain't been to space so you got no DIRECT, UNAMBIGUOUS EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE for anything you claim about the silly damn place.

You THINK you do; but you DON'T.

& no amount of lies, diversion & bed-wetting denial will change that.

Once again I ask; in the half-day since I last posted, have any of you been to space?

Time is passing inexorably & your lives are dribbling away whilst you make lame, indignant posts on a forum you claim to despise; yet you just can't seem to make that final leap to SPACE can you?

Ever get the feeling you've been had?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: markjo on May 05, 2015, 01:08:22 PM
Seriously people, if I was a loyal space fan and Nasa supporter through the years I would seriously be pissed off at the lack of progress in 50 years of operation.
This is exactly why newcomers like SpaceX are trying to change the game by making a recoverable first stage booster.

They so EASILY did these amazing things 50 years ago, but the common person you and me, can't even hop in our space ship and travel to the moon. Where the heck is a Moon base dammit?
Who said that space travel is easy?  Seriously, who in the aerospace industry ever claimed that getting to space, let alone the moon, is easy?

Why the heck aren't there private space industries shipping things in space and building space stations and restaurants like the freakin Jetsons? This is ridiculous.....
Well, at least one company is working towards that end:
http://bigelowaerospace.com/ (http://bigelowaerospace.com/)

Sure they can travel 220,000 miles to the moon in the 60s in 72 hours using a calculator... sure they can... but you can't travel 100,000 feet in 2015.
That depends on which "they" you're referring to.

Where the hell is my lunar lander? Why can't I just take off and float around so easily in space?
Where is your private jet?  How's the view from your personal submarine?  I bet you don't even own a tank.

Give me a break...

Look guys they're living in SPACE!  ;D

(http://#ws)
I'm sorry, but were you trying to make a point?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 05, 2015, 01:13:41 PM
Markjo: I bet your hugbox looks like a Victorian sewage pipe... But hey, we all got our foibles, ain't we?

You been to space yet then?

75 years after the primitive V2 supposedly first reached the edge of it?

Nah, course not; keep dreaming, sucker.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: markjo on May 05, 2015, 01:14:34 PM
Like I've said, any sane adult who thinks that repeatedly shouting 'AUSTRALIA!' will prove space travel is real is too far gone to help.
That might be true if that's what the Australia argument was about.  It isn't and you're refuse to see it.

Cos you ain't been to space so you got no DIRECT, UNAMBIGUOUS EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE for anything you claim about the silly damn place.
Why does someone need to personally go to space in order to gain unambiguous empirical evidence?  Why are unmanned probes not good enough?  Why isn't a professional astronaut's word good enough?

Ever get the feeling you've been had?
Ever get the feeling that you might be the one who's wrong?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: markjo on May 05, 2015, 01:16:03 PM
Markjo: I bet your hugbox looks like a Victorian sewer.. But hey, we all got our foibles, ain't we?

You been to space yet then?

&5 years after the primitive V2 supposedly first reached the edge of it?

Nah, course not; keep dreaming, sucker.
I never claimed to have gone to space.  I don't need to in order to know what's out there.  That's why we have a space program.

Now. would you care to answer some of my questions?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 05, 2015, 01:23:10 PM
Like I've said, any sane adult who thinks that repeatedly shouting 'AUSTRALIA!' will prove space travel is real is too far gone to help.
Hasn't happened once.
Still waiting for why your argument doesn't apply to Australia as much as it does to space.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 05, 2015, 01:31:46 PM
markjo:

1: Wrong.

2: Wronger.

3: REALLY Wrong.

Is it your job to be my own personal coprophagic 'shadow idiot', Markjo?

Trying to drown out my posts in a sea of 'fesces' & get the last word in, no matter how droolingly inane?

Is that how you think you'll win this 'debate'?

Rather than by, say, ACTUALLY GOING TO SPACE YOURSELF?

Pathetic... just STFU & get back in your faeces-encrusted hugbox ok?

Oh, & have you been to space yet?

Bijane: stop spamming your failed analogy; the autism is strong in you.

So STFU & get back in your theoretical Australian hugbox, ok?

& have you been to space yet either? Tick, tick, tick... Time flies but no space for you!
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Alpha2Omega on May 05, 2015, 01:36:07 PM
Seriously people, if I was a loyal space fan and Nasa supporter through the years I would seriously be pissed off at the lack of progress in 50 years of operation.
I am pissed off.

Progress requires talent, hard work, money, and, not least of all, daring; talented hard workers we got plenty of, but, unfortunately, not the money and daring to carry out really expensive (because it's really difficult) and dangerous (because there are lots of things that can go fatally wrong) manned interplanetary travel[nb]Consider travel to the Moon "interplanetary" in this context.[/nb]. Unless there's short-term profit to be made, money requires popular support, and the popular support for expensive and daring interplanetary manned space missions is lacking because there's not an immediate economic (or military) payoff and we've become, IMO, way too risk-averse.

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They so EASILY[citation needed] did these amazing things 50 years ago, but the common person you and me, can't even hop in our space ship and travel to the moon. Where the heck is a Moon base dammit?
If you have or can raise the money needed for the hardware and manpower, go for it! Have you even investigated how much it would cost? If you're waiting for someone else to pay for it, then quit complaining. Have you checked to see if someone would stop you? If not, then quit complaining.

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Why the heck aren't there private space industries shipping things in space and building space stations and restaurants like the freakin Jetsons? This is ridiculous.....
When there's a profit potential worth the risk there will be private industries operating in space. Until then, not so much. If you see an opportunity and can put together a convincing[nb]Learning to write coherently would be a start, or hire someone who can.[/nb] business plan, go for it!

You may not know it, but the Jetsons were a cartoon that was set in the 2060s (100 years after the series was made), not a freakin' documentary. It was intended for entertainment.

Comments like this are ridiculous.

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Sure they can travel 220,000 miles to the moon in the 60s in 72 hours using a calculator... sure they can... but you can't travel 100,000 feet in 2015.
I just got back from a trip where I traveled 1,800 miles (9,504,000 feet). That's 95 times farther than you claim is not possible.

I know, I know... that's not what you meant[nb]You will want to avoid mistakes like this if you write a business plan, though. Sloppy writing as well as sloppy thinking scares off investors.[/nb]. But what's with the 100,000-ft height limit you seem to imagine exists now?

What's with the continual remarks about taking a calculator along to the Moon? You may be too young to realize it, but lightweight electronic calculators became available only after planning and equipment design for the Apollo moon missions was settled, and weight and space were at a premium aboard those craft. There may have been a slide rule or two, though. Is this what you were referring to? Back in the days of Apollo people used them to make the sort of calculations we do on calculators and inexpensive computers now.

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Where the hell is my lunar lander? Why can't I just take off and float around so easily in space?
Because it's not easy. Whining and carrying on doesn't change that; talent, money, and hard work can. So stop whining and carrying on and start doing something useful.

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Give me a break...
Your own actions are the only ones you can control. Why don't you give us one? Thanks!

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Look guys they're living in SPACE!  ;D

(http://#ws)

Nice hair. I watched that until the inane editorial interruptions got too annoying (3 or 4 of them by the third minute was enough). Spaceflight is pretty cool, but we could be doing so much more if we had pursued it more diligently.
 
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 05, 2015, 01:58:09 PM
Alpha2omega: You are a pompous ass. You ain't been to space & have no right whatsoever to speak so authoritatively on a subject you only know from books & google.

Bad alpha2omega! Hugbox - now!

Of course, I'm only writing this to amuse myself & to see exactly how long it takes for another spam-post to appear in order to drown my own out...

But while I'm here I'll ask again: have any of you space-cranks actually been to space yet?

Do any of you have 1st-hand experience of the subject which alpha2omega oh-so-neatly just demonstrated you DO all claim to be such great experts on?

Well, space AND Australia...

God, you're gullible aren't you?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 05, 2015, 02:36:11 PM

Bijane: stop spamming your failed analogy; the autism is strong in you.


I'd be happy to if you'd actually respond. Any time now. You can't just say it's failed, why is it failed? What trait, specifically, makes the two differ?

Or if it's fine to just assert:
Papa Legba: stop spamming your failed question; the autism is strong in you.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: markjo on May 05, 2015, 03:25:55 PM
Is that how you think you'll win this 'debate'?
No, because what you are doing is in no way, shape or form, anything remotely resembling a debate.  You're just ranting and raving.  Honestly, I'm surprised that this thread hasn't been moved to AR yet.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Alpha2Omega on May 05, 2015, 06:25:57 PM
Alpha2omega: You are a pompous ass.

Than kew! Than kew vurry much!

This reminds me of a song (http://)
Quote from: Mac Davis
Oh, Lord, it's hard to be humble
When you're perfect in every way
Can't wait to look in the mirror
I get better looking each day
To know me is to love me
Must be a hell of a man
Oh, lord, it's hard to be humble
But I'm doing the best that I can...

He even looks like me when I was younger, only not quite as good. I'm much better looking now since there have been a lot more days since that was made.

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You ain't been to space

Well, no, not yet. I already told you that, though, so no news here. I have been to Australia. Have you? Amazingly, we were able to plan out a road trip starting in Sydney and ending in Adelaide (those are cities we counted on being in "Australia") before actually visiting the place. What happened? The route was very much like we expected (but somewhat slower to drive; you do learn some things by being there) - and we hadn't even been there yet while making plans!! Those cities (even the airports!) were there, too, right where they were supposed to be!!

Did Australia exist before I went there? Does it not exist because you haven't? Would it exist even if I hadn't? I have no direct evidence, according to you, but odds are it did, does, and would! Can you believe that? Wow! Something I hadn't experienced up front and personal might actually exist despite that huge misfortune. Who'd a thunk it? Certainly not you.

Quite frankly, I'll go with the odds rather than your rather limited imagination. Thanks for offering your thoughts, though. I think.

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& have no right whatsoever[citation needed]

& you have what authority to say what my rights are? And you call me pompous!

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to speak so authoritatively on a subject you only know from books & google.

Do you have any specific objections about what I have spoken about? If it pisses you off for some reason (nobody cares about that) that I said something doesn't matter; anything I provide stands on its merits and not any "authority" I might claim. Do you have a technical objection to any technical information provided? Whether the source was from books, other sources[nb]Google searches just locate information (and it's darn good at it), the search engine doesn't actually produce it - you may not realize this. You can thank me later for this tidbit.[/nb], or personal observations - can you rebut the specific information? If not, tough.

Or, has this forum officially become a 100% fact-free zone, and I really don't have a right to say anything that might be technically correct. If so I must have missed the message. Can you provide a link?

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Bad alpha2omega! Hugbox - now!

OK now this is getting really weird. Are you into kinky sex or something? Do you have any friends in real life? I can kind of see why you might not.

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Of course, I'm only writing this to amuse myself

Roger, Captain Obvious. Most of us are here for entertainment. Some participants promote facts. "Flat earthers", on the other hand, try to challenge facts; some are quite thought-provoking, some are, or become, tedious. It's all good, though. No one makes us stay here.

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& to see exactly how long it takes for another spam-post to appear in order to drown my own out...

You're recognizing to your own post as the spam it is. Very good! That's the first step. Maybe we can get somewhere now.

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But while I'm here I'll ask again: have any of you space-cranks actually been to space yet?

Do any of you have 1st-hand experience of the subject which alpha2omega oh-so-neatly just demonstrated you DO all claim to be such great experts on?

I, for one, have plenty of first-hand experience with objects in space, so yes. Others do, too. Amazingly, my own observations are entirely consistent with other well-documented and well-understood conclusions about space, too.

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Well, space AND Australia...

Yes to both.

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God, you're gullible aren't you?

Well, maybe. Am I wrong and Australia doesn't really exist because you haven't been there or didn't exist before I visited? Will it exist (and validate my own experience) if you ever do experience it first-hand? Does your presence somehow conjure Australians (or anyone else) into existence as you meet them personally? Does space not exist because you (and, according to you, I) haven't been there to experience it personally?

And you call me a pompous ass.
 
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 05, 2015, 09:40:30 PM
Well, another few hours have passed & still no-one here has gone to space yet...

And, rather than do something about it, they prefer to offer up yet more demonstrations of their inability to read, write or think clearly.

Or to differentiate between Words & Reality, or Theory & Fact.

The Germans were churning out V2 rockets 70 years ago for $13,000 a pop; they could allegedly carry a 1-ton payload to the edge of space.
With modern materials their performance would be vastly improved.
Yet you're nowhere near owning something similar; do you not think that just a little bit odd?

Obviously not, sadly.

So, as you've proven yourselves incapable of learning anything by conventional reasoning I'll just have to keep using Operant Conditioning to get it into your thick skulls:

Have any of you been to space yet?

Yes or No?

Do any of you have direct, unambiguous empirical evidence for what it's like up there?

Because if you haven't then your word on the subject is worthless.

Now crawl back out of your filthy hugboxes & prove me wrong.

Or just stick to spamming about Australia & demonstrate your ocd & autism yet more graphically to the neutral readers, all of whom will by now have looked up 'false analogy' & be well aware of how lame your spazzed-out tomfoolery is.

Keep dreaming, space-suckers; I'll be back soon to check up on your space-progress!

I'm off to scrub toilets now; whilst there's people like Markjo in the world there'll always be plenty of work for a good 'fesces' removal operative...


Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: New Earth on May 05, 2015, 10:15:34 PM
In 2015 Civilians (every day folk) still cannot go to two places that proves flat earth. Space and Antarctica. Why well because both don't exist. Space is not filled with ball planets and billions of suns and Antarctica is not a continent at the bottom of the globe. Rather earth is an infinite plane. This universe is called earth. Its that simple. So of course there is never gonna be any spaceships or nothing.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: FakeWorlder on May 05, 2015, 11:56:19 PM
In 2015 Civilians (every day folk) still cannot go to two places that proves flat earth. Space and Antarctica. Why well because both don't exist. Space is not filled with ball planets and billions of suns and Antarctica is not a continent at the bottom of the globe. Rather earth is an infinite plane. This universe is called earth. Its that simple. So of course there is never gonna be any spaceships or nothing.
Civilians can go to space, either with a home made unmanned probe or for a few million £. However anyone can go to Casey station in Antarctica.
We also have evidence both places exist: photographic evidence, ability to travel there and we can see the ISS.

Papa; we can go to space. With unmanned probes and rockets. I can get you videos when I send my own balloon in a year or so.

Now, we have done better than the Germans. We have manned probes that reach the moon, a bit too expensive for your or me. But we can buy an unmanned probe for $13000 easily that reaches edge of space.

The reason we haven't made any progress is because we are trying to get to places faster, more efficiently, carrying larger payloads and we are trying to build space stations and expand tourism.

Now, if space doesn't exist, explain ISS and meteors.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 06, 2015, 12:56:48 AM
Or just stick to spamming about Australia & demonstrate your ocd & autism yet more graphically to the neutral readers, all of whom will by now have looked up 'false analogy' & be well aware of how lame your spazzed-out tomfoolery is.

You know you can't just call something a false analogy, right?
You have to explain why, on the crucial issues, it doesn't work. Still waiting...
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: tappet on May 06, 2015, 02:03:04 AM

We also have evidence

Papa; we can go to space.

Now, we have done better than the Germans.

 We have manned probes that reach the moon,
 
 But we  can buy an unmanned probe

The reason we haven't made any progress

   we are trying to get to places faster,

 we are trying to build space stations and expand tourism.
See here is the problem, you are not really any part of we, If you believe I am wrong please explain your role and tell us who  the other we's  are that you are working on these projects with.
You would not be just parroting would you?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Rama Set on May 06, 2015, 05:43:15 AM
A few ways it could go really:

-If he is America then his tax dollars are finding NASA, which makes him a stakeholder in the organization.

-We could also refer to the collection of human's of which he is a part and feels pride in our collective accomplishments of which space travel is one.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: markjo on May 06, 2015, 06:28:23 AM
In 2015 Civilians (every day folk) still cannot go to two places that proves flat earth. Space and Antarctica.
Did you know that 7 civilians (very rich every day folk) have paid Russia several million dollars to go into space?  One of them even did it twice.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_tourism#List_of_flown_space_tourists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_tourism#List_of_flown_space_tourists)

Did you also know that there is a segment of the tourism industry that specializes in Antarctic tourism?
https://www.gadventures.com/travel-styles/cruising/expedition-cruises/antarctica/?phone_code=NA_PPC_1&gclid=CNaCoqCbrcUCFS9o7AodWRIAJQ (https://www.gadventures.com/travel-styles/cruising/expedition-cruises/antarctica/?phone_code=NA_PPC_1&gclid=CNaCoqCbrcUCFS9o7AodWRIAJQ)
http://www.adventure-network.com/experiences/south-pole-flights (http://www.adventure-network.com/experiences/south-pole-flights)
http://www.adventure-network.com/experiences/ski-south-pole%E2%80%94hercules (http://www.adventure-network.com/experiences/ski-south-pole%E2%80%94hercules)

If you're up to it, you can even run a marathon in Antarctica:
http://www.adventure-network.com/experiences/ski-south-pole%E2%80%94hercules (http://www.adventure-network.com/experiences/ski-south-pole%E2%80%94hercules)

So, please stop telling bald faced lies about not being able to go to space or Antarctica.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Alpha2Omega on May 06, 2015, 07:15:30 AM
In 2015 Civilians (every day folk) still cannot go to two places that proves flat earth. Space and Antarctica. Why well because both don't exist.

Nope. Wrong on both counts. Most of the astronauts now are civilians, and I was a civilian when I went to Antarctica.

Which reminds me...
Hey, Papa:
Since I've been to Antarctica, does that mean it exists for everybody, or does it exist only for people who have set foot there, and only they can know anything about it? What about those who have flown over it but didn't land? I want to know what you think.

Since several hundred people have been to space, does that mean space exists, but only for them, and only they can know anything about it?

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Space is not filled with ball planets and billions of suns and Antarctica is not a continent at the bottom of the globe. Rather earth is an infinite plane. This universe is called earth. Its that simple. So of course there is never gonna be any spaceships or nothing.

So how do sunsets work on this universe? If it's simple, can you explain?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: FakeWorlder on May 06, 2015, 08:27:30 AM

We also have evidence

Papa; we can go to space.

Now, we have done better than the Germans.

 We have manned probes that reach the moon,
 
 But we  can buy an unmanned probe

The reason we haven't made any progress

   we are trying to get to places faster,

 we are trying to build space stations and expand tourism.
See here is the problem, you are not really any part of we, If you believe I am wrong please explain your role and tell us who  the other we's  are that you are working on these projects with.
You would not be just parroting would you?
I'm sorry i was quite ambiguous.
Now, we usually meant the human race in general (I am not American), however unmanned probes I mean civilians.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: New Earth on May 06, 2015, 10:30:58 AM
(http://) Here you go even George Orwell believed in flat earth. Nothing exists without consciousness not even the earth or the universe. Call them whatever you like; The Annunaki, the Illuminatti, the Watchers, Gods, whatever name you wanna use but yes they try to control the mind and they downloaded this ball earth reality into your consciousness.

Of course people that are very rich can go to so called space (up) These people are no longer civilians. They are members of Masonic organizations and secret societies sworn to secrecy. Let poor people to space then we can talk. Yes its true that not all Astronauts are rich, but once you sign a contract with NASA and same thing with Russian space programs, you no longer a civilian. You sworn to secrecy and you do what they say. Stop the lies about Antarctica. Some of you claim you been there. You have never crossed the south pole and ended up on the other side. When you do that let's talk
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: BJ1234 on May 06, 2015, 10:46:43 AM
(http://) Here you go even George Orwell believed in flat earth. Nothing exists without consciousness not even the earth or the universe. Call them whatever you like; The Annunaki, the Illuminatti, the Watchers, Gods, whatever name you wanna use but yes they try to control the mind and they downloaded this ball earth reality into your consciousness.

Of course people that are very rich can go to so called space (up) These people are no longer civilians.
At what point are they not considered civilians anymore?  Making 100,000 grand a year? 1,000,000 a year?  What?
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They are members of Masonic organizations and secret societies sworn to secrecy.
So once you make enough money, do they send you a membership card in the mail? 
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Let poor people to space then we can talk. Yes its true that not all Astronauts are rich,
OK, so since not all astronauts are rich, there goes your argument about only rich people getting to space.
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but once you sign a contract with NASA and same thing with Russian space programs, you no longer a civilian. You sworn to secrecy and you do what they say. Stop the lies about Antarctica. Some of you claim you been there. You have never crossed the south pole and ended up on the other side. When you do that let's talk
And have you been to Australia? If the answer is no, then what make traveling to Australia possible, but travelling to space impossible?  If the answer is yes, how do you know you were in Australia?  You are just relying on what you are being told.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: New Earth on May 06, 2015, 11:55:04 AM
you arguing semantics now and just being wordy. Astronauts who are not rich are recruits from military or other agencies. They don't pick them from slums or local neighborhoods. These are trained individuals and sworn to secrecy. At what point are you no longer a civilian? At the point when they decide to bring you in. Most elites happen to be wealthy. Status comes with money. Your membership in illuminatti usually comes with money. Two are interralated what part of it you don't understand? Australia exists cause its a continent that has been explored and we have cities and towns there. Antarctica was never explored was never populated, was never colonized and south pole was never crossed so that one ends up on the other side.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Alpha2Omega on May 06, 2015, 11:59:25 AM
The Germans were churning out V2 rockets 70 years ago for $13,000 a pop; they could allegedly carry a 1-ton payload to the edge of space.
With modern materials their performance would be vastly improved.
Yet you're nowhere near owning something similar; do you not think that just a little bit odd?

Obviously not, sadly.

Hey, finally something new from Papa!

Odd? Not really if you think about it at all.

What does strike me as odd is that you profess to know anything about this. Were you in the bureaucracy of the German government or the German military during WWII? Yes or no? If not, how can you know anything about what V2s cost? Have you personally seen a V2 in flight? Yes or no? If no, how can you be sure real ones even existed?

Thanks in advance for clearing this up!
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 06, 2015, 12:06:30 PM
Call them whatever you like; The Annunaki, the Illuminatti, the Watchers, Gods, whatever name you wanna use
No Nazi UFOs any more?

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Of course people that are very rich can go to so called space (up) These people are no longer civilians. They are members of Masonic organizations and secret societies sworn to secrecy.

Because obviously someone promising not to say something means they won't say something. The history of the world is full of people completely able to keep their mouths shut, and to keep things secret, from Nixon to Snowden to...
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Lemmiwinks on May 06, 2015, 12:30:24 PM
The Germans were churning out V2 rockets 70 years ago for $13,000 a pop; they could allegedly carry a 1-ton payload to the edge of space.
With modern materials their performance would be vastly improved.
Yet you're nowhere near owning something similar; do you not think that just a little bit odd?

I don't know where you got this 13,000 dollar figure, the price of the V2 in 1944 per unit is estimated to be roughly 100,000 DM, which is somewhere between $50,000 and $75,000 in 1944. Which is between $670,000 to $1.01 million when adjusted for inflation..

Since they were rather small, had zero ability to keep a human alive (the most expensive bits typically go there) and had a very rudimentary guidance system and virtually no computer parts AND only brought the rocket to the very edge of space, no this doesn't change anything.

All I see is another flat earther that cant even get the most simple facts they try to use to prove their point correct.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 06, 2015, 12:35:10 PM
To: tappet.
Yes; you get it.

To: Mjarko.
You describe yourself as a 'content nazi'.
When I google 'content dictionary meaning' the very first definition I get is: 'in a state of peaceful happiness'.
Thus, you not only openly admit you are a 'happy nazi', but boast of the fact.
Of course you will quibble about it; however I shall leave it up to the neutral reader to judge your sincerity on the matter.

And it gets worse for you...

I was curious about your obsession with coprophagia & diaper-inspecting cartoon animals, as well as your suspicious reluctance to respond to my posts on the same; so I did a little research on the subject.

I discovered a comic devoted to the subject called 'Incontinent Student Bodies'; it would be inappropriate of me to make a link to this eye-meltingly vile 'artwork', but I cannot prevent the neutral reader from googling it.
Be warned though; it is not for the weak-stomached.

I also discovered the words 'furfag', 'furry' & 'yiffing', the definitions of which, and their damning implications for Mjarkjo, are equally disturbing.

Best of all, I discovered the words 'BAWWWWW!' & 'BAWtism', which I shall immediately incorporate into my vocabulary as they are especially useful for dealing with those who post on this thread.

Anyhow;I'll just let all that sink in for a while, as those who follow my lead are bound to be more than a little shell-shocked by what they find...

And I'll get back to my operant conditioning program; because if it works on dogs & pigeons then surely it'll work on fundy autists too?

Thus: Have any of you been to space?

Because if you have not, then you have no DIRECT, UNAMBIGUOUS EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE for what it's like.

And therefore your opinion on the subject is worthless.

Oh, & Bijane & everyone else: BAWWWWW! STFU & get back in your analogous BAWtist hugboxes!(citation unnecessary)








Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 06, 2015, 12:41:27 PM
Thus: Have any of you been to space?

Because if you have not, then you have no DIRECT, UNAMBIGUOUS EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE for what it's like.

And therefore your opinion on the subject is worthless.
Ditto for Australia, and likely several houses on your street. Never been in them? Must be impossible to go through the doorway.

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Oh, & Bijane & everyone else: BAWWWWW! STFU & get back in your analogous BAWtist hugboxes!(citation unnecessary)
I'd be happy to shut up if you'd say why the analogy doesn't hold. Any time now.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 06, 2015, 12:56:36 PM
Aha! Lemmiwinks: I see we have a new contender!

Been skulking around, waiting for your moment have you?

& I guess you think the V2 rocket is your Big Chance for a Grand Entrance eh?

Good for you, Autie; but just STFU with your googled wiki-spam minutiae on the German rocket program - on which you are in reality no more expert than I - & answer me this:

HAVE YOU BEEN TO SPACE?

YES OR NO?

BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE NOT THEN YOU HAVE NO DIRECT, UNAMBIGUOUS PERSONAL EVIDENCE OF WHAT IT'S LIKE.


AND THUS YOUR OPINION ON THE SUBJECT IS WORTHLESS.

& if you won't answer then back in your lurkers hugbox you must go...

Bijane: Stop blaming me for your own reading comprehension difficulties.
Take some responsibility ffs; it's not my fault you are 'special'.

Back to your Australian hugbox now, before you do yourself an injury.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 06, 2015, 12:58:16 PM
Bijane: Stop blaming me for your own reading comprehension difficulties.

That'd be a great response if you'd actually answered. You haven't. You gestured towards Tappet, whose answer completely undercuts your point, and evaded multiple times. It's almost impressive.
Still waiting. Have fun wasting everyone's time with a meaningless question.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 06, 2015, 01:02:16 PM
Bijane: LOL!

You REALLY need that hugbox RIGHT NOW!

Comedy gold as ever...
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 06, 2015, 01:03:06 PM
Comedy gold as ever...

I know you are, but what am I?

An answer would be great, any time.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Lemmiwinks on May 06, 2015, 01:04:41 PM
Aha! Lemmiwinks: I see we have a new contender!

Been skulking around, waiting for your moment have you?

& I guess you think the V2 rocket is your Big Chance for a Grand Entrance eh?

Good for you, Autie; but just STFU with your googled wiki-spam minutiae on the German rocket program - on which you are in reality no more expert than I - & answer me this:

HAVE YOU BEEN TO SPACE?

YES OR NO?

BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE NOT THEN YOU HAVE NO DIRECT, UNAMBIGUOUS PERSONAL EVIDENCE OF WHAT IT'S LIKE.


AND THUS YOUR OPINION ON THE SUBJECT IS WORTHLESS.

& if you won't answer then back in your lurkers hugbox you must go...

Bijane: Stop blaming me for your own reading comprehension difficulties.
Take some responsibility ffs; it's not my fault you are 'special'.

Back to your Australian hugbox now, before you do yourself an injury.

Yeah, I have been lurking around for the last 1,800 posts waiting to make my grand entrance.

Very perceptive of you.

Anyways, nice to see when your point is crushed you just sidestep and move on to a new point.

Have you ever been to Djibouti in the horn of Africa?

Does that mean it doesn't exist now?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: markjo on May 06, 2015, 01:07:57 PM
To: Mjarko.
You describe yourself as a 'content nazi'.
When I google 'content dictionary meaning' the very first definition I get is: 'in a state of peaceful happiness'.
Thus, you not only openly admit you are a 'happy nazi', but boast of the fact.
Of course you will quibble about it; however I shall leave it up to the neutral reader to judge your sincerity on the matter.
What makes you think that the very first definition is the one that I had in mind?

And it gets worse for you...

I was curious about your obsession with coprophagia & diaper-inspecting cartoon animals, as well as your suspicious reluctance to respond to my posts on the same; so I did a little research on the subject.

I discovered a comic devoted to the subject called 'Incontinent Student Bodies'; it would be inappropriate of me to make a link to this eye-meltingly vile 'artwork', but I cannot prevent the neutral reader from googling it.
Be warned though; it is not for the weak-stomached.

I also discovered the words 'furfag', 'furry' & 'yiffing', the definitions of which, and their damning implications for Mjarkjo, are equally disturbing.

Best of all, I discovered the words 'BAWWWWW!' & 'BAWtism', which I shall immediately incorporate into my vocabulary as they are especially useful for dealing with those who post on this thread.

Anyhow;I'll just let all that sink in for a while, as those who follow my lead are bound to be more than a little shell-shocked by what they find...
Wow.  You are so insightful.  Maybe you should have tried Googling Bloom County or Outland as well.

And I'll get back to my operant conditioning program; because if it works on dogs & pigeons then surely it'll work on fundy autists too?

Thus: Have any of you been to space?
No, I have never been to space.  I never claimed that I did, so I'm not sure why you keep asking.

Because if you have not, then you have no DIRECT, UNAMBIGUOUS EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE for what it's like.
By that same reasoning, I have no "DIRECT, UNAMBIGUOUS EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE" of what Australia is like either.  What's your point?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Alpha2Omega on May 06, 2015, 04:36:48 PM
Aha! Lemmiwinks: I see we have a new contender!

Been skulking around, waiting for your moment have you?

& I guess you think the V2 rocket is your Big Chance for a Grand Entrance eh?

Good for you, Autie; but just STFU with your googled wiki-spam minutiae on the German rocket program - on which you are in reality no more expert than I - & answer me this:

HAVE YOU BEEN TO SPACE?

YES OR NO?

BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE NOT THEN YOU HAVE NO DIRECT, UNAMBIGUOUS PERSONAL EVIDENCE OF WHAT IT'S LIKE.


AND THUS YOUR OPINION ON THE SUBJECT IS WORTHLESS.

& if you won't answer then back in your lurkers hugbox you must go...

Bijane: Stop blaming me for your own reading comprehension difficulties.
Take some responsibility ffs; it's not my fault you are 'special'.

Back to your Australian hugbox now, before you do yourself an injury.
Since you bring up the V2 and worthless opinions again,

The Germans were churning out V2 rockets 70 years ago for $13,000 a pop; they could allegedly carry a 1-ton payload to the edge of space.
With modern materials their performance would be vastly improved.
Yet you're nowhere near owning something similar; do you not think that just a little bit odd?

Obviously not, sadly.

You must have missed or are unwilling to answer the earlier question about how you know this. Maybe phrasing it in the way you do will help you understand the question.

HAVE YOU BEEN TO NAZI GERMANY?

YES OR NO?

BECAUSE, IF YOU HAVE NOT THEN YOU HAVE NO DIRECT, UNAMBIGUOUS PERSONAL EVIDENCE OF WHAT WENT ON.

AND, ACCORDING TO YOU, YOUR OPINION ON THE SUBJECT IS WORTHLESS.


A simple yes or no answer to this would be appreciated. We're waiting.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Doglover on May 06, 2015, 05:10:09 PM
The Germans were churning out V2 rockets 70 years ago for $13,000 a pop; they could allegedly carry a 1-ton payload to the edge of space.
With modern materials their performance would be vastly improved.
Yet you're nowhere near owning something similar; do you not think that just a little bit odd?

I don't know where you got this 13,000 dollar figure, the price of the V2 in 1944 per unit is estimated to be roughly 100,000 DM, which is somewhere between $50,000 and $75,000 in 1944. Which is between $670,000 to $1.01 million when adjusted for inflation..

Since they were rather small, had zero ability to keep a human alive (the most expensive bits typically go there) and had a very rudimentary guidance system and virtually no computer parts AND only brought the rocket to the very edge of space, no this doesn't change anything.

All I see is another flat earther that cant even get the most simple facts they try to use to prove their point correct.

Let us not forget that the Nazis used slave labor for much of the assembly work. Why pay people when you have slaves?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Lemmiwinks on May 06, 2015, 05:12:37 PM
The Germans were churning out V2 rockets 70 years ago for $13,000 a pop; they could allegedly carry a 1-ton payload to the edge of space.
With modern materials their performance would be vastly improved.
Yet you're nowhere near owning something similar; do you not think that just a little bit odd?

I don't know where you got this 13,000 dollar figure, the price of the V2 in 1944 per unit is estimated to be roughly 100,000 DM, which is somewhere between $50,000 and $75,000 in 1944. Which is between $670,000 to $1.01 million when adjusted for inflation..

Since they were rather small, had zero ability to keep a human alive (the most expensive bits typically go there) and had a very rudimentary guidance system and virtually no computer parts AND only brought the rocket to the very edge of space, no this doesn't change anything.

All I see is another flat earther that cant even get the most simple facts they try to use to prove their point correct.

Let us not forget that the Nazis used slave labor for much of the assembly work. Why pay people when you have slaves?

Good lord you're right, besides R&D and testing all the labor for the V2 was slave labor, the price of 100,000 DM is probably too small by half if they were paying a living wage to the number of people needed per rocket assembled.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Alpha2Omega on May 06, 2015, 06:29:33 PM
Let us not forget that the Nazis used slave labor for much of the assembly work. Why pay people when you have slaves?

Good lord you're right, besides R&D and testing all the labor for the V2 was slave labor, the price of 100,000 DM is probably too small by half if they were paying a living wage to the number of people needed per rocket assembled.

I still wonder why "Papa" claims to know details about this given his professed attitude about second-source information? Was he typing up the invoices, or preparing (or signing!) the checks to pay for those things?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Doglover on May 06, 2015, 07:06:59 PM
In 2015 Civilians (every day folk) still cannot go to two places that proves flat earth. Space and Antarctica. Why well because both don't exist. Space is not filled with ball planets and billions of suns and Antarctica is not a continent at the bottom of the globe.

I just saw proof that Antarctica DOES exist!
(http://)
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 07, 2015, 10:52:12 AM
I'm glad that you're all bringing the existence of the V2 into question; it was no more than another big, dumb barrage missile & it's good to see you're learning to think for yourselves.

Now how about starting on the rest of the rocketry nonsense you've been fed?

But nah; you won't do that will you? Because your brains are broken.

Yet another 24 hours have passed since I last posted & I wonder how much of your happy-nazi self-congratulatory mutual masturbation & humourless robotic waffle has actually got you any closer to going to space?

Because if you haven't been there, then you really do have no direct, unambiguous empirical evidence for its existence.

And your word on the subject is worthless.

But keep spamming your false Australia analogy if you want, like a dog returning to is own vomit; keep safe & snug in your foetid, diaper-strewn hugboxes, propping up each other's delusions in a gleeful autistic circle-jerk; cos no matter what, you just ain't going to space.

Never gonna happen... But you just can't see it, can you?

Keep dreaming, space-suckers!



Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: FlatOrange on May 07, 2015, 11:03:01 AM
Technically, we do own the International Space Station. As taxpayers. It is owned by governments that are all run by the people.

Democratic republics ftw.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 07, 2015, 11:14:31 AM
Well then demand a tour of the damn thing then.

As a taxpayer.

Think you'll get it?

While you're waiting, I'll continue the re-inforcement:

Have any of you been to space?

If not you have no direct, unambiguous empirical evidence for what it's like.

So your word on the subject is worthless.

Goodnight, idiots.

Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: modestman on May 07, 2015, 11:16:23 AM
Doesn't it look strange to you this forum full of round earthers bored idiots who are paid to say what they say like mikeman the youngster(yea sure) who knows a lot of mathematics so he can bring some profit when he paid to say whay he say
he is a liar from the first grade a liarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 07, 2015, 11:20:08 AM
I don't care what any of them are or what their motivations are; none of them have been to space, so they have no direct, unambiguous empirical evidence for a single word they say on the subject.

That's my message & I shall repeat it until it sinks in.

B.F. Skinner & all that, you know?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: sceptimatic on May 07, 2015, 11:22:05 AM
Doesn't it look strange to you this forum full of round earthers bored idiots who are paid to say what they say like mikeman the youngster(yea sure) who knows a lot of mathematics so he can bring some profit when he paid to say whay he say
he is a liar from the first grade a liarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Yeah. No one in their right mind would spend any time on a forum like this, defending a globe by just being a simple passer by. It makes no logical sense for them to defend it like crazy. Unless they are paid to do it.

The Mikeman (starman) carry on, telling everyone he's a 17 year old scientific genius Mormon just makes you sit back and laugh. ;D
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 07, 2015, 11:25:53 AM
So your word on the subject is worthless.

If that's how it works, your word on everything you have not personally experienced is worthless.
As you are not me, you have not experienced my views, so your word on my views (and by extension, REer views) is also worthless.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: FlatOrange on May 07, 2015, 11:33:00 AM
I'm glad that you're all bringing the existence of the V2 into question; it was no more than another big, dumb barrage missile & it's good to see you're learning to think for yourselves.

Now how about starting on the rest of the rocketry nonsense you've been fed?

But nah; you won't do that will you? Because you're brains are broken.

Yet another 24 hours have passed since I last posted & I wonder how much of your happy-nazi self-congratulatory mutual masturbation & humourless robotic waffle has actually got you any closer to going to space?

Because if you haven't been there, then you really do have no direct, unambiguous empirical evidence for its existence.

And your word on the subject is worthless.

But keep spamming your false Australia analogy if you want, like a dog returning to is own vomit; keep safe & snug in your foetid, diaper-strewn hugboxes, propping up each other's delusions in a gleeful autistic circle-jerk; cos no matter what, you just ain't going to space.

Never gonna happen... But you just can't see it, can you?

Keep dreaming, space-suckers!

Yes, because that makes perfect sense. All the tax-payers should demand a tour, of course!

Actually, I'm quite satisfied that the people who go are some of the top-performing people from different backgrounds. If I had the ambitions as a child to go to space, I could've. I'm also thrilled that NASA shares as much as they do, and the astronauts spend nearly all of their time to make our lives down here better.

Do you want to get involved if you don't believe me??

Schools around the country are always coming up with science experiments to be performed on the space station. They package them and then see them carried out.

You can get involved, too.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Rama Set on May 07, 2015, 11:35:45 AM
Well then demand a tour of the damn thing then.

As a taxpayer.

Think you'll get it?

While you're waiting, I'll continue the re-inforcement:

Have any of you been to space?

If not you have no direct, unambiguous empirical evidence for what it's like.

So your word on the subject is worthless.

Goodnight, idiots.



Your reminders have not been falling on deaf ears, you may have noticed.  What has happened though is that a logical inconsistency in your position has been pointed out which you are either unwilling or incapable of addressing.  Which is it?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: modestman on May 07, 2015, 11:36:06 AM
Doesn't it look strange to you this forum full of round earthers bored idiots who are paid to say what they say like mikeman the youngster(yea sure) who knows a lot of mathematics so he can bring some profit when he paid to say whay he say
he is a liar from the first grade a liarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Yeah. No one in their right mind would spend any time on a forum like this, defending a globe by just being a simple passer by. It makes no logical sense for them to defend it like crazy. Unless they are paid to do it.

The Mikeman (starman) carry on, telling everyone he's a 17 year old scientific genius Mormon just makes you sit back and laugh. ;D
HAHAHAHAHAHA i laughed alot, mikeman is a liar and obsessed with his lies.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Rama Set on May 07, 2015, 11:38:12 AM
Doesn't it look strange to you this forum full of round earthers bored idiots who are paid to say what they say like mikeman the youngster(yea sure) who knows a lot of mathematics so he can bring some profit when he paid to say whay he say
he is a liar from the first grade a liarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Yeah. No one in their right mind would spend any time on a forum like this, defending a globe by just being a simple passer by. It makes no logical sense for them to defend it like crazy. Unless they are paid to do it.

The Mikeman (starman) carry on, telling everyone he's a 17 year old scientific genius Mormon just makes you sit back and laugh. ;D
HAHAHAHAHAHA i laughed alot, mikeman is a liar and obsessed with his lies.

I am here because I like science, philosophy, debating and trolling.  Where else can you get it all under one roof?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 07, 2015, 11:40:20 AM
Bijane: I love how you always give me a good laugh before bedtime; I'm not even gonna give you a dig for your nincompoop-ery this time, or mention hugboxes...

No, wait, I just did!

Ah, whatever; goodnight, whatever bloody time-zone you're in...

P.S. Rama Set & Flatorange - BAWWWW! Stfu & get back in YOUR hugboxes. Words are not the same as Reality, painful as it may seem to all the fantasists out there.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 07, 2015, 11:41:31 AM
Bijane: I love how you always give me a good laugh before bedtime; I'm not even gonna give you a dig for your nincompoop-ery this time, or mention hugboxes...
Or respond to a point made against you ever, apparently.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 07, 2015, 11:49:07 AM
I am not here to 'respond'.

I told you this already.

Please, please, do learn to read! & write, & think, etc. etc...

Now stop keeping me from kip & just STFU & get back in your goddamn hugbox, ok?!?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: modestman on May 07, 2015, 11:50:34 AM
Doesn't it look strange to you this forum full of round earthers bored idiots who are paid to say what they say like mikeman the youngster(yea sure) who knows a lot of mathematics so he can bring some profit when he paid to say whay he say
he is a liar from the first grade a liarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Yeah. No one in their right mind would spend any time on a forum like this, defending a globe by just being a simple passer by. It makes no logical sense for them to defend it like crazy. Unless they are paid to do it.

The Mikeman (starman) carry on, telling everyone he's a 17 year old scientific genius Mormon just makes you sit back and laugh. ;D
HAHAHAHAHAHA i laughed alot, mikeman is a liar and obsessed with his lies.

I am here because I like science, philosophy, debating and trolling.  Where else can you get it all under one roof?
Yea yea you are surely talented liar,there are physics forum go there and trolling with all the other liars.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 07, 2015, 12:27:13 PM
I am not here to 'respond'.

That much is clear.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Lemmiwinks on May 07, 2015, 03:21:44 PM
I'm glad that you're all bringing the existence of the V2 into question; it was no more than another big, dumb barrage missile & it's good to see you're learning to think for yourselves.

Now how about starting on the rest of the rocketry nonsense you've been fed?

But nah; you won't do that will you? Because your brains are broken.

Please show me where anyone brought the existence of the V2 into question.

Thanks!
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 07, 2015, 03:23:32 PM
I'm glad that you're all bringing the existence of the V2 into question; it was no more than another big, dumb barrage missile

Have you ever seen a V2?
If not you have no direct, unambiguous empirical evidence for what it's like.
So your word on the subject is worthless.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Alpha2Omega on May 07, 2015, 04:09:19 PM
I am not here to 'respond' [because I have no response that makes sense].

Clarification added. This is what you're saying, whether you realize it or not.

Most people who take a position think they can defend their ideas. If you're not even going to try there's not much point in continuing.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 08, 2015, 01:42:32 AM
Fun thing to do:

1: Look up definition of 'false analogy'.
2: Read.
3: STFU.
4: Crawl back to tear-stained hugbox.

I'm sure that, when you write your posts, you consider them to be tiny masterpieces of logic, wit, clarity & concision.
Yet when I read them I only hear the sound of dogs barking at a noise they cannot comprehend.

I only mentioned the V2 because I felt duty-bound to respect iWitness's original thread title; but of course my point fell on deaf ears as you are all incapable of independent thought & consider wiki-spam the same as wisdom.

In reality I couldn't care less if the V2 was real or not & I won't get bogged down in discussing the minutiae of the useless thing; my point was that none of you have been on one, or any other rocket for that matter.

A point you avoided in your subsequent desperate, BAWgasmic attempts to 'win' the 'debate'.

Why?

Brain-damage.

Hence, I will return to my operant conditioning program; a well-known treatment for persistently offensive autistic behaviour.

Have any of you been to space?

If not, you have NO DIRECT, UNAMBIGUOUS EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE for what it's like.

& thus your word on the subject is worthless.


Dream on, space-acolytes.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on May 08, 2015, 02:04:19 AM

Have any of you been to space?

If not, you have NO DIRECT, UNAMBIGUOUS EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE for what it's like.

& thus your word on the subject is worthless.


Dream on, space-acolytes.

You keep repeating that as if it has any value. This can take a turn to the Australia Thread, or me asking if the USA exists as I have not been there.

If you believe you are the center of a Trueman show then I will understand your view that no-one can be trusted.

Your options are to either
A) Trust no-one
B) Trust everyone
or
C) Somewhere in between.

Your statement

 Have any of you been to space?
If not, you have NO DIRECT, UNAMBIGUOUS EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE for what it's like.
& thus your word on the subject is worthless.


Is clearly point A) trust no-one. Therefore you are fixed in a position where you cant be reasoned with. I dont actually understand why you are here then.

For you the world is only as large as your eyes can see.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 08, 2015, 02:19:41 AM
LOL!

Is your entire world made of non-sequitors?
Cos your post was.
No wonder you lot are so vulnerable to accepting other people's Fantasies as Reality.

You know damn well why I am here; if you don't then you're even more pitiful than I thought.

Now; have you been to space?
Because if you have not, then you have no direct, unambiguous empirical evidence for what it's like.
So your opinion on the subject is worthless.


Answer the question or stfu & get back in your fantasy hugbox.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: MaNaeSWolf on May 08, 2015, 02:36:54 AM
Now; have you been to space?
Because if you have not, then you have no direct, unambiguous empirical evidence for what it's like.
So your opinion on the subject is worthless.


Legba, Why are you so angry?
Only about 500 people have been in orbit around the earth so you know that I have most probably not. But I still could one day.
My opinion, as anyone else's has as much value as the people who listen to it, you however seem very intent on squashing opposing views. I dont understand why, as it destroys dialog making this forum pointless, the reason I asked why you where here.

Your options are to either
A) Trust no-one
B) Trust everyone
or
C) Somewhere in between.


I asked that to find out where you get your source of information from.

If you choose A which you seem to have. Then you have dramatically limited the amount of information you are capable of using. Essentially reading any bit of information is a waste as the Author could/is lying.

Choosing B is just as bad as you open yourself up to abuse and ignorance of the world. This is the view you believe all RE have.

Choosing C is the most difficult path as you need to sift through information and use what makes the most sense to you based on the other information, It requires trust and skepticism to be effective.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: ZennerOne on May 08, 2015, 03:43:10 AM
Now; have you been to space?
Because if you have not, then you have no direct, unambiguous empirical evidence for what it's like.
So your opinion on the subject is worthless.

At last count, I think this is the TWELFTH time I have read virtually the same comments from this more than obvious troll.  His desperation is actually becoming quite humourous as he apparently thinks that if he repeats some bizarre postulate over and over again it becomes valid by repetition.  What also makes this so funny is that he himself has never travelled to space, and yet he virtually demands that everybody else has to before they can offer any considered scientific opinion. 

His understanding of even basic logic is woefully inadequate - he has NO idea of how to mount a convincing debate other than posting an endless tirade of ad hominem attacks.  Still, his juvenile responses no doubt give us all a good laugh, and you have to give at least kudos to someone who can make you laugh.  After all, the guy who originally played Bozo the Clown - Vance DeBar Colvig - was a multi-millionaire.  Maybe PAPA LEGBA is hoping for similar success LOL.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 08, 2015, 03:58:43 AM
Swolf: why are you so boring?

The rest of your post is more of the same old lame old blah & fail that all you space-drones seem so very fond of; for example, define 'somewhere inbetween' please.

Of course, I'll completely ignore your pointless tl;dr answer & just ask you if you've been to space again...
But at least it'll give you something to do whilst waiting for your whizz-o sci-fi space-travel adventures to finally begin.

Space! The Final Front...oh! You haven't been there.

Long ago, in a Galaxy far, far awaaait a minute! You haven't been there either!

Get the picture yet, space-suckers?

P.S. ZennerOne/ausGeoff: LOL! Again...
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 08, 2015, 04:21:39 AM
Fun thing to do:

1: Look up definition of 'false analogy'.
2: Read.

You know you can't just insist something's a false analogy, right? You actually have to say why it is. Which you apparently cannot, so...
Ah well. Have fun.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 08, 2015, 05:30:26 AM
Bijane; as is well-known, the problem with all analogies is that - when debated at length - the end result is always a reductio ad absurdum.
Which is why the statement 'all analogies are false' is popular with those more interested in getting to the point than in interminable waffle.

Now; either you DO know this, & are trying to entice me into said drawn-out & fruitless debate.

OR you are too ignorant to be aware of the above facts.

Either way, it doesn't look good for you does it?

So; keep puffing your 'Australia is the same as Space' twaddle if you like. I'll let the neutral reader decide its worth, because I absolutely refuse to entertain your continued delusions/chicanery.

Back to your my-little-pony hugbox now, til you've recovered enough for your next session of humiliating self-trolling.

Definitely more re-inforcement required for all you sociopaths!

So: Have any of you been to space?

If not, you have no DIRECT, UNAMBIGUOUS EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE for what it's like.

So your opinion on the subject is worthless
.

Bye, Jane!
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 08, 2015, 05:37:11 AM
So; keep puffing your 'Australia is the same as Space' twaddle if you like.
Given absolutely nothing I've said even comes close to saying that...
All I'm doing is applying your logic. It's not even an analogy: it's just another application of what you're saying. If there is a specific reason why your logic fails to apply once we move beyond space, you can feel free to share that any time.

I'm going to go have a unicorn ride now. They exist where I live. You have not been here, so you have no direct, unambiguous, empirical evidence otherwise, so your opinion is worthless.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 08, 2015, 05:44:02 AM
LOL!!!

Not even bedtime yet & the comedy gold's already begun!

Butthurt much, B.J?(citation unecessary)

Ah well, there's always your trusty hugbox eh?

Better luck next time...
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 08, 2015, 05:55:30 AM
Better luck next time...

Yep, one of these times you might actually try to answer. Or not.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 08, 2015, 06:31:46 AM
Bijane: BAWWWWW!

I just did answer you ffs, both thoroughly & conclusively.

But as you've already made it tiresomely clear that you prefer to blame your reading comprehension difficulties & cognitive dysfunction on others, rather than accept responsibility for them & try to improve them (a typical trait of Aspergers sufferers), it's not surprising that you prefer to simply ignore that answer & demand another one more fitting to your wretched nonsensical world-view.

Well, you won't get it, you egomaniacal loon, so just STFU & get back in your unicorn-horned hugbox, okay?

& only come back out when you have been to bloody space...

Because if you have not been to space, then you have no direct, unambiguous empirical evidence for what it's like & your word on the subject is worthless.

Operant conditioning; it works on dogs & pigeons, but you arrogant narcissistic broke-brained boneheads seem immune to any & all treatment...

 
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Scroto Gaggins on May 08, 2015, 07:45:42 AM
Bijane: BAWWWWW!

I just did answer you ffs, both thoroughly & conclusively.

But as you've already made it tiresomely clear that you prefer to blame your reading comprehension difficulties & cognitive dysfunction on others, rather than accept responsibility for them & try to improve them (a typical trait of Aspergers sufferers), it's not surprising that you prefer to simply ignore that answer & demand another one more fitting to your wretched nonsensical world-view.

Well, you won't get it, you egomaniacal loon, so just STFU & get back in your unicorn-horned hugbox, okay?

& only come back out when you have been to bloody space...

Because if you have not been to space, then you have no direct, unambiguous empirical evidence for what it's like & your word on the subject is worthless.

Operant conditioning; it works on dogs & pigeons, but you arrogant narcissistic broke-brained boneheads seem immune to any & all treatment...
Question: Is is possible for someones word on any subject to be worth anything if they have no direct, unambiguous, empirical evidence for said objects properties?

Sorry for the lack of possessive apostrophes, I was never any good at knowing where to put them.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: markjo on May 08, 2015, 08:00:41 AM
Because if you have not been to space, then you have no direct, unambiguous empirical evidence for what it's like & your word on the subject is worthless.
What makes you think that human senses are the best or only method for gathering "direct, unambiguous empirical evidence"?  If I put a bunch of scientific instruments on a rocket and launch it into space, is that not a valid method of gathering "direct, unambiguous empirical evidence for what it's like" out there? 
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 08, 2015, 08:16:46 AM
Bijane: BAWWWWW!

I just did answer you ffs, both thoroughly & conclusively.

You are aware saying something doesn't make it true, right?

Don't you get bored of repeating the same old irrelevant question? It's definitely boring to read.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 08, 2015, 08:50:54 AM
If it's so boring then stop reading it & stop replying to it; believe me, your illiterate, self-contradictory incoherence will not be missed.

Now get back to being Queen Of The Retards on your rinky-dink Australia-themed Papa Legba tribute thread & stop playing with the big boys. Because it's eye-wateringly obvious to everyone that you're out of your league here.

Bye, Jane!
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 08, 2015, 09:18:28 AM
Oh, & 'happy fascist' coprophage weirdo BAWtist Markjo & hobbit-bothering weirdo BAWtist Scrotalsac; just STFU & get back in your revolting, diaper-festooned hugboxes.

Cos I'm done with your off-topic pestering for the day; I've told you repeatedly that I won't get bogged down in minutiae & you two are the very definition of the word.

Goodnight, buffoons; see you tomorrow, when I'll expect to see a bit more progress in your space-travelling aspirations...

Or the operant conditioning will continue.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 08, 2015, 09:19:59 AM
If it's so boring then stop reading it & stop replying to it; believe me, your illiterate, self-contradictory incoherence will not be missed.
I've got time. Just waiting for you to be interesting. You were entertaining when you came up with the notion in the first place, I'm just hoping you end up entertaining together.

Quote
Now get back to being Queen Of The Retards on your rinky-dink Australia-themed Papa Legba tribute thread
Don't flatter yourself, the thread has very little to do with you.

Have you been to Australia yet?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Cartesian on May 08, 2015, 10:17:40 AM
Have you been to Australia yet?

I like this question :)
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: markjo on May 08, 2015, 10:23:35 AM
Oh, & 'happy fascist' coprophage weirdo BAWtist Markjo & hobbit-bothering weirdo BAWtist Scrotalsac; just STFU & get back in your revolting, diaper-festooned hugboxes.

Cos I'm done with your off-topic pestering for the day; I've told you repeatedly that I won't get bogged down in minutiae & you two are the very definition of the word.
Asking you to clarify your stance on the collection "direct, unambiguous empirical evidence" is hardly minutiae.  It goes to the very core of your "argument".
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Lemmiwinks on May 08, 2015, 10:42:09 AM
Australia doesn't exist as I have never been there, and flights to Australia are also fake, as I have never been on one. So drop it Jane! Jeeze.

However, Papa, you ever been Djibouti yet? Does it mean this small poor African nation does not exist?

Have you eaten Shark Fin soup? Does that mean it does not exist?

Have you seen an atom personally? If not then does that mean atoms do not exist?

Wait, I got one.

Have you seen direct proof with your own eyes and held in your own hands evidence that there is a conspiracy involving spaceflight?

Your logic only works when applied as you want it applied, but screws you when applied to your own stupidity.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: BJ1234 on May 08, 2015, 10:49:50 AM
but screws you when applied to your own stupidity.

But have you ever been as stupid as Papa?  Therefore, since you have no unambiguous empirical evidence for what it's like to be that stupid, his level of stupidity cannot be reached.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Lemmiwinks on May 08, 2015, 11:24:21 AM
but screws you when applied to your own stupidity.

But have you ever been as stupid as Papa?  Therefore, since you have no unambiguous empirical evidence for what it's like to be that stupid, his level of stupidity cannot be reached.

(https://abekoby.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/ancient-aliens-invisible-something-meme-generator-inception-1e95d2.jpg)
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: legion on May 08, 2015, 12:54:37 PM
Bijane: BAWWWWW!

I just did answer you ffs, both thoroughly & conclusively.

But as you've already made it tiresomely clear that you prefer to blame your reading comprehension difficulties & cognitive dysfunction on others, rather than accept responsibility for them & try to improve them (a typical trait of Aspergers sufferers), it's not surprising that you prefer to simply ignore that answer & demand another one more fitting to your wretched nonsensical world-view.

Well, you won't get it, you egomaniacal loon, so just STFU & get back in your unicorn-horned hugbox, okay?

& only come back out when you have been to bloody space...

Because if you have not been to space, then you have no direct, unambiguous empirical evidence for what it's like & your word on the subject is worthless.

Operant conditioning; it works on dogs & pigeons, but you arrogant narcissistic broke-brained boneheads seem immune to any & all treatment...

I haven't followed the entire thread or engaged with you before, Papa Legba, but you are of course entirely correct.

Any dictionary:

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Empirical evidence (also empirical data, sense experience, empirical knowledge, or the a posteriori) is a source of knowledge acquired by means of observation or experimentation.

Good luck explaining that to some of the trolls we have to put up with on this site. They'll just keep claiming that "six hundred people have empirical evidence of space travel." They'll then show you photos of someone else's empirical evidence. It's pretty sad.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 08, 2015, 12:57:07 PM
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Empirical evidence (also empirical data, sense experience, empirical knowledge, or the a posteriori) is a source of knowledge acquired by means of observation or experimentation.

Good luck explaining that to some of the trolls we have to put up with on this site. They'll just keep claiming that "six hundred people have empirical evidence of space travel." They'll then show you photos of someone else's empirical evidence. It's pretty sad.

Please point out where in that definition it refers to personal observation or experimentation.

Have you been to Australia yet?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 08, 2015, 01:07:11 PM
Wow!

Quite the impressive circle-jerk of full-bore autism, sock-puppetry, shit-posts & TOTAL FAIL piling up while you think I'm away (I lied; just as you lot habitually do).

But as nobody reads your posts anyway, except myself - & then only to find the most lulzy parts - it's all bit of a waste of time.

Still; while the cat's away, the aspie mice will creep out of their squalid hugboxes to play...

& will any of it get you one single inch closer to your beloved 'space'?

Nope.

So long, space-suckers!

P.S. Thanks, Legion; you clearly get it too.

Bijane: STFU & get back in your utterly discredited analogical hugbox. You. Are. Done.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 08, 2015, 01:08:37 PM
Bijane: STFU & get back in your utterly discredited analogical hugbox. We. Are. Done.

So you haven't been to Australia yet?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: legion on May 08, 2015, 01:14:57 PM
Quote
Empirical evidence (also empirical data, sense experience, empirical knowledge, or the a posteriori) is a source of knowledge acquired by means of observation or experimentation.

Good luck explaining that to some of the trolls we have to put up with on this site. They'll just keep claiming that "six hundred people have empirical evidence of space travel." They'll then show you photos of someone else's empirical evidence. It's pretty sad.

Please point out where in that definition it refers to personal observation or experimentation.

Have you been to Australia yet?

If you can't observe something, or perform an experiment, how can it be empirical?

In my house, gravity is reversed. if I drop something, it lands on the ceiling. Do you believe my empirical evidence? Everyone who has been to my house experiences the same thing. Is that empirical evidence that you can use?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 08, 2015, 01:36:07 PM
Bijane: yet again, your reading comprehension issues are leading you into self-mockery.

I have already comprehensively dismissed any relevance your Australia analogy might have to the topic; whether I have been there or not is irrelevant.

I have also repeatedly told you that it is not my fault that you are mentally disadvantaged & that blaming others for your own shortcomings, rather than addressing them yourself, is the sign of a narcissistic personality disorder, if not outright physical brain-damage.

I am sorry that you cannot understand this, but that is often the nature of people with neurological impairment.

So I respectfully ask you to just STFU & get back to your lonely, mental-case, fail-troll hugbox asap.

You really will feel better there; play with your unicorn's horn or summat, okay?

Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 08, 2015, 02:42:22 PM
If you can't observe something, or perform an experiment, how can it be empirical?
Because it could come from a source I trust: again, point to where in the definition of empirical evidence it required a personal experiment. If you don't trust anyone to ever tell you the truth, I honestly don't know how you live.

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In my house, gravity is reversed. if I drop something, it lands on the ceiling. Do you believe my empirical evidence? Everyone who has been to my house experiences the same thing. Is that empirical evidence that you can use?
I have empirical evidence which would firmly contradict that: and you are not a source I trust.

Bijane: yet again, your reading comprehension issues are leading you into self-mockery.

I have already comprehensively dismissed any relevance your Australia analogy might have to the topic; whether I have been there or not is irrelevant.
And your space travel question has firmly been shown to be irrelevant, meaningless and a waste of time, and you keep asking it. So:
Have you been to Australia yet?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: legion on May 08, 2015, 02:44:37 PM
If you can't observe something, or perform an experiment, how can it be empirical?
Because it could come from a source I trust: again, point to where in the definition of empirical evidence it required a personal experiment. If you don't trust anyone to ever tell you the truth, I honestly don't know how you live.

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In my house, gravity is reversed. if I drop something, it lands on the ceiling. Do you believe my empirical evidence? Everyone who has been to my house experiences the same thing. Is that empirical evidence that you can use?
I have empirical evidence which would firmly contradict that: and you are not a source I trust.

You have empirical evidence of how gravity behaves in my house? That is sickening.

Why do you not trust me? When have I lied?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 08, 2015, 02:47:23 PM
You have empirical evidence of how gravity behaves in my house? That is sickening.
I know how gravity behaves, I see no reason to suppose a special exception for you.

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Why do you not trust me? When have I lied?

There are other reasons to distrust a source. Context, accountability, bias for starters.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: legion on May 08, 2015, 02:51:58 PM
You have empirical evidence of how gravity behaves in my house? That is sickening.
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I know how gravity behaves, I see no reason to suppose a special exception for you.

I have presented empirical evidence.
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There are other reasons to distrust a source. Context, accountability, bias for starters.

That does not explain why you do not trust me. Empirical evidence can rely on trust, can it not?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 08, 2015, 02:53:57 PM
That does not explain why you not trust me. Empirical evidence can rely on trust, can it not?

Give me a reason to think you're serious and to suppose a special exception to something that has more empirical evidence than your proposal.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: legion on May 08, 2015, 02:59:56 PM
That does not explain why you not trust me. Empirical evidence can rely on trust, can it not?

Give me a reason to think you're serious and to suppose a special exception to something that has more empirical evidence than your proposal.

How do you know the space adventurers are serious? I've seen quite a few TV dramas that appear very realistic in their presentation. Murders happen. Murders are solved, all in a very serious manner. Are they real?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 08, 2015, 03:05:07 PM
How do you know the space adventurers are serious? I've seen quite a few TV dramas that appear very realistic in their presentation. Murders happen. Murders are solved, all in a very serious manner. Are they real?

Well for starters, TV dramas admit to be fake.
I have no reason to distrust space companies, and they have more than validated their claims. I've seen the ISS, reaped the rewards of the science they lead, seen images and videos far in advance of what could be faked at the time they were released, and good old context also comes forward.
A claim made that could be denied by several hundred people, from an organization that (if lying) would have purposefully jeopardized itself, is a world away from a claim made from a random person on an internet forum where trolls frequent, made solely to prove a point.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Lemmiwinks on May 08, 2015, 03:06:43 PM
That does not explain why you not trust me. Empirical evidence can rely on trust, can it not?

Give me a reason to think you're serious and to suppose a special exception to something that has more empirical evidence than your proposal.

How do you know the space adventurers are serious? I've seen quite a few TV dramas that appear very realistic in their presentation. Murders happen. Murders are solved, all in a very serious manner. Are they real?

Legion, you been to Djibouti? China? Russia?

Do those places exist? Please show me empirical evidence they do.

Thank you.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: legion on May 08, 2015, 03:13:36 PM
How do you know the space adventurers are serious? I've seen quite a few TV dramas that appear very realistic in their presentation. Murders happen. Murders are solved, all in a very serious manner. Are they real?

Well for starters, TV dramas admit to be fake.

I have no reason to distrust space companies, and they have more than validated their claims. I've seen the ISS, reaped the rewards of the science they lead, seen images and videos far in advance of what could be faked at the time they were released, and good old context also comes forward.
A claim made that could be denied by several hundred people, from an organization that (if lying) would have purposefully jeopardized itself, is a world away from a claim made from a random person on an internet forum where trolls frequent, made solely to prove a point.

So, if they didn't admit to being fictional (or known to be that by convention), then they are assumed to be true. Interesting.

I'll watch TV in a new light now. Thanks.

Edit: Your "empirical" evidence about seeing the ISS are worthless to me. As are your beliefs about what technology is capable of.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 08, 2015, 03:13:58 PM
Bijane: my question has NOT been shown to be irrelevant, meaningless & a waste of time; all that has been shown is just how desperate you space-cadets are to make that out to be the case.

& the only way you had to do so was with a crappy analogy to Australia.

Which I destroyed several posts ago.

Does your autism give you an excuse for being a shameless liar now too?

But what can you expect from extreme narcissist sociopaths though?

Time for more reinforcement before you scuttle off back to your rat-hole hugboxes:

HAVE ANY OF YOU BEEN TO SPACE?

IF NOT YOU HAVE NO DIRECT, UNAMBIGUOUS EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE FOR WHAT IT'S LIKE.

& YOUR WORD ON THE SUBJECT IS WORTHLESS.

You THINK it isn't; but it IS.


Oh, & Lemmiwinks - you can stfu & get back in your liars collective false-analogy sock-puppet hugbox too.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Lemmiwinks on May 08, 2015, 03:29:11 PM
HAVE ANY OF YOU BEEN TO CHINA?

IF NOT YOU HAVE NO DIRECT, UNAMBIGUOUS EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE FOR WHAT IT'S LIKE.

& YOUR WORD ON THE SUBJECT IS WORTHLESS.

You THINK it isn't; but it IS.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 08, 2015, 03:41:46 PM
Fair enough.

Now go create a thread about China, eh?

Make even more of a fool of yourselves with your false analogies, which compare two things that do not share similar properties.

For example; China is ON & PART OF the earth, whereas SPACE is, well, pretty much the exact opposite...

Add that to the fact that all analogies will eventually break down into a reductio ad absurdum if argued over at length & you have a recipe for massive fail.

Which is probably what you want, as you seem to have no interest in 'truth' per se; just preventing other people discussing or discovering it.

Nice work, aspie; that hugbox must get lonely & frustrating... guess you need to vent somehow.

All the same, you can still stfu & get back into it... & take your FAILED analogy with you.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: legion on May 08, 2015, 03:45:13 PM
Fair enough.

Now go create a thread about China, eh?

Make even more of a fool of yourselves with your false analogies, which compare two things that do not share similar properties.

For example; China is ON & PART OF the earth, whereas SPACE is, well, pretty much the exact opposite...

Add that to the fact that all analogies will eventually break down into a reductio ad absurdum if argued over at length & you have a recipe for massive fail.

Which is probably what you want, as you seem to have no interest in 'truth' per se; just preventing other people discussing or discovering it.

Nice work, aspie; that hugbox must get lonely & frustrating... guess you need to vent somehow.

All the same, you can still stfu & get back into it... & take your FAILED analogy with you.

Mate, you just keep hammering these fools. Good work!
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 08, 2015, 03:48:11 PM
So, if they didn't admit to being fictional (or known to be that by convention), then they are assumed to be true. Interesting.

I'll watch TV in a new light now. Thanks.


Not even close to what I said. Try again.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Rama Set on May 08, 2015, 03:48:28 PM
So, if they didn't admit to being fictional (or known to be that by convention), then they are assumed to be true. Interesting.

NASA in fact claims to do things for real so I am not sure why you bizarre guilty by omission argument is being made.

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I'll watch TV in a new light now. Thanks.

Good for you.

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Edit: Your "empirical" evidence about seeing the ISS are worthless to me. As are your beliefs about what technology is capable of.

Good thing your so bold opinion isn't worth much even on these fora.
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Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 08, 2015, 03:49:56 PM
Bijane: my question has NOT been shown to be irrelevant, meaningless & a waste of time; all that has been shown is just how desperate you space-cadets are to make that out to be the case.

& the only way you had to do so was with a crappy analogy to Australia.

Which I destroyed several posts ago.
my analogy has NOT been shown to be irrelevant, meaningless & a waste of time; all that has been shown is just how desperate you Australia-cadets are to make that out to be the case.

Have you been to Australia yet?

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For example; China is ON & PART OF the earth, whereas SPACE is, well, pretty much the exact opposite...
Why does that stop your logic holding?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Scroto Gaggins on May 08, 2015, 03:57:04 PM
Fair enough.

Now go create a thread about China, eh?

Make even more of a fool of yourselves with your false analogies, which compare two things that do not share similar properties.

For example; China is ON & PART OF the earth, whereas SPACE is, well, pretty much the exact opposite...

Add that to the fact that all analogies will eventually break down into a reductio ad absurdum if argued over at length & you have a recipe for massive fail.

Which is probably what you want, as you seem to have no interest in 'truth' per se; just preventing other people discussing or discovering it.

Nice work, aspie; that hugbox must get lonely & frustrating... guess you need to vent somehow.

All the same, you can still stfu & get back into it... & take your FAILED analogy with you.
Papa, I have three honest questions, and sorry in advance for pestering you.

Q1. Does your direct, unambiguous, empirical evidence model apply to everything that one has not personally experienced?
Because thats where i think Jane and Lemmi are going with their Australia analogy.

Q2. When, if ever, can someone's word on a subject mean anything if they haven't directly experienced it?

Q3. What are the differences between Australia/China/Djibouti and space in this model?
Because apparently the Karman line is what separates the earth from space, and that is only 100 km up.
I think it is probably further to go to get to Australia/China/Djibouti than it is to get to space.

Again, sorry to pester you, but you are going to reply anyway, so I thought I might ask a few questions.

BTW- What is a "hugbox"? I have never come across that term before.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 08, 2015, 04:05:59 PM
Legion, tappet & I both told these BAWtists the same thing many posts ago; but they just lie & say we didn't.

What can you do? You can't debate with liars.

That's why I don't bother & just hammer home my point while sending up every stupid thing they say.

So it's good that they say a LOT of stupid things eh?

Like bijane just now; b.j. dear, you do realise that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery don't you?

It also shows a total lack of imagination; but then that's par for the course with you is it not?

Along with lying, idiocy, narcissism, illiteracy, lack of humour or logic & absence of all self-awareness & social skills.

But you still got your good old hugbox ain't you?

So STFU & get back into the goddamned thing & stop making a complete buffon of your sad, lonely self.

& scrotalsac; if you're now trying to say that space IS part of the earth then you can just STFU & crawl back into your hobbit-hole hugbox too... Reductio ad absurdum here we come!!!

You lot'll try anything won't you... Pathetic!

& STILL none of you have been to space, you utter, utter losers.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Lemmiwinks on May 08, 2015, 04:08:03 PM
Legion, tappet & I both told these BAWtists the same thing many posts ago; but they just lie & say we didn't.

What can you do? You can't debate with liars.

That's why I don't bother & just hammer home my point while sending up every stupid thing they say.

So it's good that they say a LOT of stupid things eh?

Like bijane just now; b.j. dear, you do realise that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery don't you?

It also shows a total lack of imagination; but then that's par for the course with you is it not?

Along with lying, idiocy, narcissism, illiteracy, lack of humour or logic & absence of all self-awareness & social skills.

But you still got your good old hugbox ain't you?

So STFU & get back into the goddamned thing & stop making a complete buffon of your sad, lonely self.

& scrotalsac; if you're now trying to say that space IS part of the earth then you can just STFU & crawl back into your hobbit-hole hugbox too... Reductio ad absurdum here we come!!!

You lot'll try anything won't you... Pathetic!

& STILL none of you have been to space, you utter, utter losers.

HAVE YOU BEEN TO CHINA?

IF NOT YOU HAVE NO DIRECT, UNAMBIGUOUS EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE FOR WHAT IT'S LIKE.

& YOUR WORD ON THE SUBJECT IS WORTHLESS.

You THINK it isn't; but it IS.

Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Misero on May 08, 2015, 04:09:51 PM
So; mikeman.nasa.gov hasn't been to space either & thus has no 1st-hand evidence for anything he says on the subject.

This is like pulling teeth...

Anyhow; one more down.

Next!

Anyone else here been to space?
Have you PERSONALLY seen the ice wall to know its existence? How about the Sahara desert? Ever been to the deepest mine in the world? Ever seen a panda in the wild? Nope. FAKEFAKEFAKEFAKE.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 08, 2015, 04:38:18 PM
What icewall? What pandas? What desert, you cranks?

Wtf you banging on about now?

& wtf's China got to do with it too; how many times do your piss-poor analogies have to be smashed before you give up on em?

It's like last friday again isn't it? You're all off on a mentalist foot-stamping & bed-wetting spree cos you can't handle being pwned so badly.

Lordy, Lordy... Sucks to be you don't it?

The truth is not in you, & you're so bent & twisted you have to screw your trousers on in the mornings.

& it gets worse: COS NONE OF YOU HAVE BEEN TO SPACE EITHER HAVE YOU?

Just Star Trek conventions & Comicon... LOL!!!

Keeeeeeeep on dreeeeeeeaming, space-believers; SOME day it'll happen... Won't it?

ROFLCOPTER!!!!!!!

So long, space-mugs... Australia - LMAO!!!!
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Lemmiwinks on May 08, 2015, 04:41:36 PM
What icewall? What pandas? What desert, you cranks?

Wtf you banging on about now?

& wtf's China got to do with it too; how many times do your piss-poor analogies have to be smashed before you give up on em?

It's like last friday again isn't it? You're all off on a mentalist foot-stamping & bed-wetting spree cos you can't handle being pwned so badly.

Lordy, Lordy... Sucks to be you don't it?

The truth is not in you, & you're so bent & twisted you have to screw your trousers on in the mornings.

& it gets worse: COS NONE OF YOU HAVE BEEN TO SPACE EITHER HAVE YOU?

Just Star Trek conventions & Comicon... LOL!!!

Keeeeeeeep on dreeeeeeeaming, space-believers; SOME day it'll happen... Won't it?

ROFLCOPTER!!!!!!!

So long, space-mugs... Australia - LMAO!!!!

OLOLO, you stupid! How does space have anything to do with personal experience! ROFL! You wanktanker!

ROFLCOPTR!!!11

Anyway, I see its been 24 hours and you still haven't responded! I guess its because I am right!?? Can't believe you can even put your shurts on in the morning!! LOLOLOLoLoLoLLOO

Again:

HAVE YOU BEEN TO CHINA?

IF NOT YOU HAVE NO DIRECT, UNAMBIGUOUS EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE FOR WHAT IT'S LIKE.

& YOUR WORD ON THE SUBJECT IS WORTHLESS.

You THINK it isn't; but it IS.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 08, 2015, 04:51:02 PM
Lemmiwinks: it's amusing when I do it, but sounds super-lame coming from you; that's the problem with bad imitations.

They're just meh... Especially from autists.

You're beaten & out of arguments; I understand your pain.

But it's still funny!

See you at comicon, geek-boy... LOL!!!
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Lemmiwinks on May 08, 2015, 04:52:46 PM
Lemmiwinks: it's amusing when I do it, but sounds super-lame coming from you; that's the problem with bad imitations.

They're just meh... Especially from autists.

You're beaten & out of arguments; I understand your pain.

But it's still funny!

See you at comicon, geek-boy... LOL!!!

LOLOL! NURD! UR NURD! NERD VRGIN WITH ACNE!

ROFLCOPTR!!1

HAVE YOU BEEN TO CHINA?

IF NOT YOU HAVE NO DIRECT, UNAMBIGUOUS EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE FOR WHAT IT'S LIKE.

& YOUR WORD ON THE SUBJECT IS WORTHLESS.

You THINK it isn't; but it IS.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Misero on May 08, 2015, 05:04:11 PM
I really hate you. DEBATE WITH US USING SCIENTIFIC FACTS OF KINDLY GO AWAY. The sheer amount of morons/trolls here makes me glad we can merge the sites.

Oh, and about the autism joke, I want to find you and break your nose.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 08, 2015, 11:49:44 PM
Misero: BAWWWWWW!!! Do you imagine I care what you think of me, or what you'd like to do to me? I've already stated that you are all NOTHING to me.

Got it?

And after last night's little shitpost rampage & lie-fest from you lot, don't you EVER dare call ME a 'troll' or tell ME how to 'debate'.

Now just tell us if you've gone to bloody space or sling your hook, BAWtie-boy.

Or call the mods; go running to daddy, little child...
But hang on, Rama Set's the forum daddy ain't he?

LOL!!!

You lot got NOTHING; your piss-poor Australia analogy is busted, despite your instant attempts at reductio ad absurdum; your attempt to quibble over what constitutes evidence is risible (like you can't just google it; you googled the cost of a bloody V2 fast enough didn't you? Cos you're ALL experts on space ain't you? LMAO!!!); your credibility is in tatters...

You're finished, the lot of you...

And STILL none of you seem to have actually been to space...

So you're in dire need of another dose of operant conditioning.

HAVE ANY OF YOU BEEN TO SPACE?

IF NOT YOU HAVE NO DIRECT, UNAMBIGUOUS EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE FOR WHAT IT'S LIKE.

SO YOUR WORD ON THE SUBJECT IS WORTHLESS.

But then again, I'd say last night's spazzed-out meltdown showed your word on pretty much EVERY subject isn't worth squat.

Now limp back out of your tramps-nest hugboxes & prove me wrong.

See you, space-tards!
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: tappet on May 09, 2015, 12:00:30 AM
I have not been to China.
The tv told me years ago there were too many people and they are running out of room so they should only have one kid.
I believed this.
Then recently the tv showed me "Wild China" Mountains, animals, forests and not a bloody person in sight, WTF.
So, I do not know what is true, I have not been there.
With no experience of China I will not be telling anybody what it is like.
You see, people think that I know fuck nothing, but in fact I know fuck all!
 
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 09, 2015, 12:11:38 AM
Indeed, tappet; you get it.
Legion gets it.
iWitness gets it.
Sceptimatic gets it.

The rest of these clods? No chance.

Btw, Misero; you wrote: 'DEBATE WITH US USING SCIENTIFIC FACTS OF KINDLY GO AWAY...'

Care to translate that for us, Mr. Scientist?

I take it Linguistics is not your speciality... though you're clearly 'special' in another way.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: legion on May 09, 2015, 01:20:06 AM
I have not been to China.
The tv told me years ago there were too many people and they are running out of room so they should only have one kid.
I believed this.
Then recently the tv showed me "Wild China" Mountains, animals, forests and not a bloody person in sight, WTF.
So, I do not know what is true, I have not been there.
With no experience of China I will not be telling anybody what it is like.
You see, people think that I know fuck nothing, but in fact I know fuck all!

You bring up a good point tappet. Have a read of this re. television (if you haven't yet):

http://onthewing.org/user/Ev_Four%20Arguments%20for%20Eliminating%20Television.pdf (http://onthewing.org/user/Ev_Four%20Arguments%20for%20Eliminating%20Television.pdf)
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 09, 2015, 02:01:01 AM
Indeed, Legion.

And let's not forget that the use of False Analogy is also a favourite tactic in Advertising, as well as in other forms of Propaganda & general Indoctrination.

Take note, space-drones... maybe you'll finally wise up a bit?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Mikey T. on May 09, 2015, 02:03:59 AM
Misero: BAWWWWWW!!! Do you imagine I care what you think of me, or what you'd like to do to me? I've already stated that you are all NOTHING to me.

Got it?

And after last night's little shitpost rampage & lie-fest from you lot, don't you EVER dare call ME a 'troll' or tell ME how to 'debate'.

Now just tell us if you've gone to bloody space or sling your hook, BAWtie-boy.

Or call the mods; go running to daddy, little child...
But hang on, Rama Set's the forum daddy ain't he?

LOL!!!

You lot got NOTHING; your piss-poor Australia analogy is busted, despite your instant attempts at reductio ad absurdum; your attempt to quibble over what constitutes evidence is risible (like you can't just google it; you googled the cost of a bloody V2 fast enough didn't you? Cos you're ALL experts on space ain't you? LMAO!!!); your credibility is in tatters...

You're finished, the lot of you...

And STILL none of you seem to have actually been to space...

So you're in dire need of another dose of operant conditioning.

HAVE ANY OF YOU BEEN TO SPACE?

IF NOT YOU HAVE NO DIRECT, UNAMBIGUOUS EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE FOR WHAT IT'S LIKE.

SO YOUR WORD ON THE SUBJECT IS WORTHLESS.

But then again, I'd say last night's spazzed-out meltdown showed your word on pretty much EVERY subject isn't worth squat.

Now limp back out of your tramps-nest hugboxes & prove me wrong.

See you, space-tards!
I believe you are attributing my actions to Misero.  This is incorrect.  Some may have  joined in the festivities, but since the admins are rather absent here, my goal was to get the racist troll to leave, I hope my actions were not in vain.
On a side note, If you would take Misero's word for it if he had went into space, why not take an astronaut's word for his/her experiences?  Why do all the thousands of videos and photos from space have to be faked, yet if one still image of a video when the camera distorts the image to look either concave or flat is the "real" thing?  Why do you lot have such a problem understanding your size in relation to the Earth?  That is the entire crux of the thing anyway, you do not understand science, so you do not trust it, you cannot reason beyond the simplest things around you, yet you insist that everyone else is stupid.  Why must all science be thrown out?  Why can't you lot come up with a map?  Wait I will answer that one.  Because every time you try to, it doesn't work with reality.  If you try to get it to work with the path of the sun, then distances are completely wrong, if you try to get it to work with distances then something else breaks.  No flat Earth map can explain the Southern hemisphere, Southern circumpolar stars and Northern circumpolar stars at the same time, no amount of misstating light refraction can explain sunsets, or the stars dropping below the horizon.  None of the explanations about how ships sink below the horizons work for flat Earth ideas either.  The perspective argument is completely broken, as most of you have no clue as to how light really works.  So you cling onto your little fantasy, thinking you are being cute by always either derailing a thread or bringing out strawman tactics, etc.  Your main sources of experimental data that you love to bring out disagrees with itself and other sources.  Odd how we need to make so many assumptions to get flat Earth to even work worth 1% of reality.  The only real argument you really have is "it looks flat".  Sorry this will not do as an explanation. 
Challenge me if you wish, I know you will.  I am expecting one in particular to say exactly what I think he will, and I will begin my pupet master routine with him as well.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 09, 2015, 02:21:09 AM
So have you been to Australia yet?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 09, 2015, 02:25:33 AM
Mikey T Lovzballs:

What makes you think I believe the Earth is flat?

I have never stated such a thing.

Nor does the fact that I am posting on a Flat-earth forum & disagree with all the space-believers here prove I believe the Earth is flat either; Legion does the same, yet he is not a 'flat-earther'.

So; what makes you think I believe the Earth to be flat?

& Bijane: start your own thread on the subject... Oh, you already have. & it's rubbish.

So get back there, via a quick stint in your hugbox.

Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 09, 2015, 02:27:18 AM
Ok, new question:

Have you been to NASA yet?
If you have not, you have no direct, unambiguous, empirical evidence for what it is like there, so your opinion on the subject is worthless.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Scroto Gaggins on May 09, 2015, 03:28:44 AM
Mikey T Lovzballs:

What makes you think I believe the Earth is flat?

I have never stated such a thing.

Nor does the fact that I am posting on a Flat-earth forum & disagree with all the space-believers here prove I believe the Earth is flat either; Legion does the same, yet he is not a 'flat-earther'.

So; what makes you think I believe the Earth to be flat?

& Bijane: start your own thread on the subject... Oh, you already have. & it's rubbish.

So get back there, via a quick stint in your hugbox.
Can you please answer my questions?
The question being: does this model of empirical evidence and personal experience apply to all subjects one has not personally experienced?

Its a pretty simple question, so don't get all snarky at me please.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Doglover on May 09, 2015, 06:08:41 AM
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I believe you are attributing my actions to Misero.  This is incorrect.  Some may have  joined in the festivities, but since the admins are rather absent here, my goal was to get the racist troll to leave, I hope my actions were not in vain.
On a side note, If you would take Misero's word for it if he had went into space, why not take an astronaut's word for his/her experiences?  Why do all the thousands of videos and photos from space have to be faked, yet if one still image of a video when the camera distorts the image to look either concave or flat is the "real" thing?  Why do you lot have such a problem understanding your size in relation to the Earth?  That is the entire crux of the thing anyway, you do not understand science, so you do not trust it, you cannot reason beyond the simplest things around you, yet you insist that everyone else is stupid.  Why must all science be thrown out?  Why can't you lot come up with a map?  Wait I will answer that one.  Because every time you try to, it doesn't work with reality.  If you try to get it to work with the path of the sun, then distances are completely wrong, if you try to get it to work with distances then something else breaks.  No flat Earth map can explain the Southern hemisphere, Southern circumpolar stars and Northern circumpolar stars at the same time, no amount of misstating light refraction can explain sunsets, or the stars dropping below the horizon.  None of the explanations about how ships sink below the horizons work for flat Earth ideas either.  The perspective argument is completely broken, as most of you have no clue as to how light really works.  So you cling onto your little fantasy, thinking you are being cute by always either derailing a thread or bringing out strawman tactics, etc.  Your main sources of experimental data that you love to bring out disagrees with itself and other sources.  Odd how we need to make so many assumptions to get flat Earth to even work worth 1% of reality.  The only real argument you really have is "it looks flat".  Sorry this will not do as an explanation. 
Challenge me if you wish, I know you will.  I am expecting one in particular to say exactly what I think he will, and I will begin my pupet master routine with him as well.
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Fantastic incite into the way conspiracy theorists minds work, Mikey. It doesn't matter what it is, NASA, 911, FE, Vaccines, Fluoride in the water, anything Heiwa says, it all boils down to that. 
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Misero on May 09, 2015, 06:13:35 AM
The mind of a conspiracy theorist lines up exactly with this:
"Humans like to make all of their problems into a single thing they can fight, and not treat it as the complex web of problems that it is."
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Doglover on May 09, 2015, 06:37:01 AM
The mind of a conspiracy theorist lines up exactly with this:
"Humans like to make all of their problems into a single thing they can fight, and not treat it as the complex web of problems that it is."

Can't argue with that.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: legion on May 09, 2015, 07:42:42 AM
The mind of a conspiracy theorist lines up exactly with this:
"Humans like to make all of their problems into a single thing they can fight, and not treat it as the complex web of problems that it is."

What an idiotic thing to write.

1. Have you studied the mind of a conspiracy theorist? If so, which one(s)?
2. Who are you quoting? Quotation marks indicate the words are not yours, so the source should be provided.
3. What is the evidence/reasoning behind this conclusion?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Misero on May 09, 2015, 07:46:24 AM
Why do you think there is a conspiracy out to get you and all other people knowing the truth? And I got that quote from a children's show called Steven Universe. (To put it in context, they were talking about a man who thinks snake people rule the world). Another one:
"Humans lead short, unimportant lives, so they personify their problems to give the illusion of making some sort of difference"
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 09, 2015, 07:59:47 AM
Misero wrote: 'I got that quote from a children's show...'

LOL!!! 

Says it all really...

1 Corinthians 13:11. Read it; maybe you'll learn something.

Though somehow I doubt it.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: markjo on May 09, 2015, 08:07:25 AM
Indeed, Legion.

And let's not forget that the use of False Analogy is also a favourite tactic in Advertising, as well as in other forms of Propaganda & general Indoctrination.
What about your use of the false dichotomy?  You keep insisting that personal experience is the only way to gather "DIRECT, UNAMBIGUOUS EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE".  In fact, personal experience is often very ambiguous and biased.  Human senses are very easy to fool and are not very quantitative.  After all, without looking at a barometer, can you tell me what the air pressure is in millibars where you're at right now?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: ZennerOne on May 09, 2015, 08:21:30 AM
1 Corinthians 13:11. Read it; maybe you'll learn something.

Though somehow I doubt it.

When somebody quotes from the Bible in any scientific debate, it inevitably indicates two things:

Their knowledge of the sciences is very limited, particularly with regard to astrophysics and geophysics.
They seriously believe millennial-old myths and fairy stories about demons and wizards, and so-called miracles.

There is NO place in science for religion, as science relies on empirical evidence for its tenets, and not fantastical stories written by ignorant camel-jockeys thousands of years ago.  An old, heavy Bible does make a good doorstop though LOL.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: JerkFace on May 09, 2015, 08:34:28 AM
Mikey T Lovzballs:

What makes you think I believe the Earth is flat?

I have never stated such a thing.

Nor does the fact that I am posting on a Flat-earth forum & disagree with all the space-believers here prove I believe the Earth is flat either; Legion does the same, yet he is not a 'flat-earther'.

So; what makes you think I believe the Earth to be flat?

& Bijane: start your own thread on the subject... Oh, you already have. & it's rubbish.

So get back there, via a quick stint in your hugbox.

Papa Legless,   still trolling I see, was your bank holiday weekend a bust?

If you don't think the earth is flat,  why does your avatar have "In your heart you know it's flat"  proudly proclaimed for all to see?

So if that's not what you really think, then that makes you a shill  ( in the true sense of the word ).   

While we are talking about shills,  it seems that the meaning of the word is in the process of changing, from someone who pretends to be on your side while secretly undermining you,  to just a generic derogatory term.
I think you might be trying to qualify for both versions.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: legion on May 09, 2015, 08:37:12 AM
1 Corinthians 13:11. Read it; maybe you'll learn something.

Though somehow I doubt it.

When somebody quotes from the Bible in any scientific debate, it inevitably indicates two things:

Their knowledge of the sciences is very limited, particularly with regard to astrophysics and geophysics.
They seriously believe millennial-old myths and fairy stories about demons and wizards, and so-called miracles.

There is NO place in science for religion, as science relies on empirical evidence for its tenets, and not fantastical stories written by ignorant camel-jockeys thousands of years ago.  An old, heavy Bible does make a good doorstop though LOL.

This thread was started by someone with deep religious convictions. What you think constitutes evidence is irrelevant. If people want to quote religious text and you don't like it, I suggest you go and troll somewhere else.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: ZennerOne on May 09, 2015, 09:57:45 AM
This thread was started by someone with deep religious convictions.
I don't really care how "deep" anybody's religious "convictions" are. (In fact, the deeper they are the more likely are their opinions to be biassed.)  Anybody who relies on religious dogma is wasting their time, and others', because by accepting the fantasy of religion they automatically (and probably inadvertently) preclude many of the scientific tenets that have been unequivocally proven by EVERY scientist in the world over a period of centuries.  There is not one single scientist in the world today that accepts any shape other than spherical for our planet.  Also, the mere fact that the OP has such deep religious convictions makes him a very poor candidate for debating astrophysics and geophysics, as he (presumably) thinks the planet is only 6,000 years old, and everything was created by some omniscient and omnipotent "god".  Which of course is an absurd belief in the 21st century.

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What you think constitutes evidence is irrelevant. If people want to quote religious text and you don't like it, I suggest you go and troll somewhere else.
Not so.  What constitutes evidence is critical in any debate.  I do not merely "think" I have presented evidence; I have actually done so.  If your defence of your religious buddy amounts to nothing more than telling me to go elsewhere, then you obviously have very little ammunition in your flat earth armoury.  Or are you so arrogant that you think you can memberate this forum?

Presumably - having responded so aggressively - you too accept the Bible as a factual document?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Doglover on May 09, 2015, 10:20:40 AM
Misero wrote: 'I got that quote from a children's show...'

LOL!!! 

Says it all really...

1 Corinthians 13:11. Read it; maybe you'll learn something.

Though somehow I doubt it.

So 1 Corinthians 13:11 says;"When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things."

That tells me one should grow up and stop thinking everyone else is stupid (a childish way of thinking) and realize that the world doesn't work through magic, conspiracies and imagination. It tells me that, although it my be easier to stay childish, you have to give them up ("put away" implies work) to become an adult.

As for quoting a children's show, truth is truth, no matter where you find it.

Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 09, 2015, 11:27:15 AM
The usual massive, stinking, dump of assumption, non-sequiturs & fail from all of you (Legion excepted).

You really are all stupid, aren't you?

Rayzor seems to think he has solid proof that I'm a 'flat-earther'; anyone agree with him?

Happy fascist coprophage markjo seems to think he has any credibility left on this thread whatsoever.

& as for Dame Edna/ausGeoff: LOL!

Nice try, you bottom-feeding shitehawk.

But this is NOT a 'scientific debate'; & if I quote the bible it is because I thought it relevant to Misero's piss-poor post.

Being educated, I can quote a lot of sources - none of which I necessarily agree with totally - but any of which I may deem relevant at a particular time.

You know this very well; but being a parasitic, dishonest, scumbag you couldn't but help from leaping in to twist my words, could you?

Luckily, everybody here already hates you, so I don't need to add much extra persuasion for em to see you for the truly loathsome, non-entitical, lying windbag that you are.

Pathetic... As ever.

Good luck with the space travel; how's that going btw?

LOL!!!
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 09, 2015, 11:52:22 AM
Well?

Come on, smart-asses...

Rayzor appears to have caught me with my pants down; wanna line up behind him?

Also; it's funny how Jolly Nazi coprophage Markjo was calling me an 'atheist fundamentalist' a few posts back, yet now I'm suddenly a Bible-Basher, isn't it?

Flip-flopping is a sign of Liars, Trolls & bedrock madmen; but none of you fit those categories do you?

Enough of that though; any of you agree with Rayzor?

I'll give you a while to confer, you cowardly dogs, before I kick your sorry asses yet again...

Though one of you may have wooshed up to space & back in that time, thus rendering the kicking moot...

Yet somehow I doubt it... LOL!!!
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 09, 2015, 11:59:47 AM
So have you been to Australia yet?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: markjo on May 09, 2015, 12:10:27 PM
But this is NOT a 'scientific debate';
Well duh.  Your refusal to answer any questions put to you and constant ranting has made that quite clear.

Also; it's funny how Jolly Nazi coprophage Markjo was calling me an 'atheist fundamentalist' a few posts back, yet now I'm suddenly a Bible-Basher, isn't it?
Umm...  No.  I never said any of that. 

BTW, I think that you might be confusing "Bible-Basher" and "Bible-Thumper".
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 09, 2015, 12:18:56 PM
No, happy fascist markjo; YOUR vile coprophage postings made it clear this was NOT a scientific debate!

& yes you did; but lying must be second nature to you by now, after your umpteen thousand posts here, so no surprise there.

But anyway; do you agree with Rayzor, incontinent student buddy?

Or do you prefer to sit on the fence, in your sodden, reeking diapers?

& bijane; do I hear a butthurt mouse?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 09, 2015, 12:42:00 PM
Simple question: I say that I have never stated I am a flat-earther; Rayzor claims to have proof that I am lying.

Who is right?

Me?

Or Rayzor?

When you've got far enough out of your squalid hugboxes to reach your keyboards & sort out which of your sock-puppets are supposed to say what, then let me know.

Til then, so long space-suckers!

Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Mikey T. on May 09, 2015, 01:01:04 PM
So, I'll admit I was possible incorrect about your flat Earth ideas.  Yet with the way you spew insults and complement the other flat Earth trolls, and your avatar statement, you do smell of it.
So for now I will not expect flat Earth arguments from you, I see that you are in fact trolling. 
So explain, without insulting comments, what you want to say you believe in. (I can almost promise you will not do this simple thing)
Let's get your beliefs right out there on the table.  (This will prove you are not a troll and remove some of your troll tactics if you are)
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 09, 2015, 01:14:11 PM
& bijane; do I hear a butthurt mouse?

Why would I be hurt that you've never been to Australia?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: legion on May 09, 2015, 01:31:08 PM
& bijane; do I hear a butthurt mouse?

Why would I be hurt that you've never been to Australia?

Are you female?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: tappet on May 09, 2015, 02:45:45 PM
So, I'll admit I was possible incorrect about your flat Earth ideas.  Yet with the way you spew insults and complement the other flat Earth trolls, and your avatar statement, you do smell of it.

Your hatred toward FEers is obvious.
Something is not quite right. Maybe you should leave this forum and go chill for a while, maybe go mow the lawn or something.
At the very least ask yourself what you are doing here.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: legion on May 09, 2015, 02:53:31 PM
So, I'll admit I was possible incorrect about your flat Earth ideas.  Yet with the way you spew insults and complement the other flat Earth trolls, and your avatar statement, you do smell of it.

Your hatred toward FEers is obvious.
Something is not quite right. Maybe you should leave this forum and go chill for a while, maybe go mow the lawn or something.
At the very least ask yourself what you are doing here.

Mikey, you should also acknowledge that as this is the Flat Earth Society forum, a flat earther cannot, by definition, be a troll. If you can't see that, then you are lost.

Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: markjo on May 09, 2015, 03:12:28 PM
Mikey, you should also acknowledge that as this is the Flat Earth Society forum, a flat earther cannot, by definition, be a troll.
Incorrect.  The Urban Dictionary defines a troll as "One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument."  Many here who claim to be FE'ers most certainly fit this definition.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 09, 2015, 06:56:47 PM
You've also called me a flat-earther, happy fascist markjo; as have several other of your drooling brethren throughout this thread.

& how is my asking a bunch of sneering toss-pots who hang round where they're not welcome, stinking the place out with their space-bullshit, whether any of em have actually BEEN to the place they're so fond of mocking anyone who dares doubt their second-hand knowledge of, in any way, shape or form 'trolling'?

It's more like a public service.

Kinda like scrubbing toilets; which was one of the first insults you lot threw my way, that you now wet your pants about getting back ten-fold...
Hypocrisy being yet another of your manifold failings, along with cowardice.

This is your lot's biggest problem: you bang on about 'science' & 'logic' & 'evidence' but none of you even know how to read.

Don't agree? Then read the thread again... Oh, wait - you can't!

Alternatively, just join rayzor in claiming the statement 'in your heart you know it's flat' proves that I think the earth is flat; how do you think that'll work out for you?

Idiots...

& mikey t illiterate; you can just S.T.F.U & get back in your bluster-filled, cat-piss-reeking hugbox; you joined this thread with some tl;dr wank-athon about how you were going to be 'the puppet master' & fell flat on your face at the very first step - LOL!!!

You're just another transparent clown like bijane, so don't tell me what I am or what to do, you pompous slack-jawed popinjay.

MY beliefs are neither here nor there; YOUR fairy-tale beliefs are the issue here, so stick to the topic or GTF out & spam another thread with your random blah & fail.

& the topic is: 'what is your personal experience of space travel?' Go on, mikey tl;dr - answer us; then you can go into your 'puppet-master' routine...

I'm sure it'll be a masterpiece of genius & cunning.

Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: JerkFace on May 09, 2015, 07:04:33 PM
Simple question: I say that I have never stated I am a flat-earther; Rayzor claims to have proof that I am lying.

Papa Legless,   maybe you should read that post again,  we all agree that you are a troll.  What is undecided is whether or not you qualify as a shill.
I have a cunning plan to find out the truth...  a plan so cunning it would get Baldrick to give up turnips..  sidles up casually to the Legless Papa, and whispers innocently ...

Papa Legless, do you think the earth is flat?

Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: markjo on May 09, 2015, 07:25:25 PM
You've also called me a flat-earther, happy fascist markjo;
If I have, then you shouldn't have any trouble providing a relevant citation.  Otherwise, take your incessant trolling to AR.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: The Ellimist on May 09, 2015, 07:40:07 PM
Wait a second.


How do we know Papa Legba exists?

We don't have any empirical evidence for his existence. All we have is some forum account that could easily be a bot. He does constantly repeat statements.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 09, 2015, 07:45:32 PM
Markjo: You want ME to give a 'citation'? For the gibberish that YOU spouted on a Flat Earth internet forum?

LMAO!!! You are beyond parody...

But you did say it; thus demonstrating that you also have memory problems to add to your multiple other handicaps, official bed-wetter & happy fascist coprophage markjo.

Neutral readers are welcome to trawl through all the non-posts you've made on this thread to find where you lump me in with the flat-earthers; I prefer not to waste my time.

Or do a single goddamn thing that a bowel-movement-fetishist nazi internet non-entity demands of me for that matter.

Fact is that you have not been to space; you have no 1st-hand experience of this thing you are so expert on.

Thus, your word on the subject is worthless.

Dream on, sewer-sucking space-drone!

& ellimist: Yawn! If I don't exist then stop talking to me; you will not be missed...
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: markjo on May 09, 2015, 07:49:09 PM
Markjo: You want ME to give a 'citation'? For the gibberish that YOU spouted on a Flat Earth internet forum?
Yes.  I want you to support a claim that you made with some evidence.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 09, 2015, 08:03:09 PM
Rayzor: you already claim to have proved that I am a 'flat-earther'; so why do you now ask me if I am?

Is it because you were wrong?

Because you can not read?

You're just another drone-bot who's credibility is shot.

& also, amazingly, has not been to space...

Yaaaaawn!!!

Like fish in a barrel...

& markjo; let me explain: shut up.

Any neutral reading this thread will by now know - beyond all doubt - that nothing you write is worth reading.

I only read it myself so that I can pick the best bits to mock you with.

So STFU, get back in your unspeakably decorated hugbox & keep bleating for 'citations' from there...
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: JerkFace on May 09, 2015, 08:11:38 PM
Rayzor: you already claim to have proved that I am a 'flat-earther'; so why do you now ask me if I am?

Ok,  you're a flat agnostic troll.

If you insist on trolling,  at least learn to do it properly,  all you are doing is spewing out random insults and exposing us poor innocents to your weird fetish for excrement.

Trolling done properly,  has an element of humor and entertainment,  and your efforts so far show little imagination and variety, even the insults are getting repetitive.

Lift your game Papa Leghorn, 
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: markjo on May 09, 2015, 09:48:18 PM
& markjo; let me explain: shut up.

Any neutral reading this thread will by now know - beyond all doubt - that nothing you write is worth reading.

I only read it myself so that I can pick the best bits to mock you with.

So STFU, get back in your unspeakably decorated hugbox & keep bleating for 'citations' from there...
So you admit that can't prove that I ever referred to you as a FE'er (or pretty much anything else that you say)?  Good to know.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Mikey T. on May 10, 2015, 12:47:43 AM
So, I'll admit I was possible incorrect about your flat Earth ideas.  Yet with the way you spew insults and complement the other flat Earth trolls, and your avatar statement, you do smell of it.

Your hatred toward FEers is obvious.
Something is not quite right. Maybe you should leave this forum and go chill for a while, maybe go mow the lawn or something.
At the very least ask yourself what you are doing here.
I can assuredly tell you that my initial reasons for being here were in fact to find out why.  But in my time here I have seen enough to make me understand what this place really is for most of the posters here.  It is not for discussion of possible flat Earth ideas.  I am only giving back a small portion of what I have received here when trying to refute some of your nonsense.  So you do not like my new attitude towards your?  I can sit here and try to explain things and am called a liar, a shill, stupid, all manner of things, but when I do start to act in defense of myself it is too strong for you then.  I see the weak mindedness of so many here, and only pressure those who seem to have the shittiest of attitudes towards others.  Is it my fault I can easily make you dance for me?  I can post certain things and know what your response is going to be before you do.  It has added a new level of fun to the board watching certain people squirm.  If they learn a lesson and start actually discussing things again, am I not doing the forum a benefit?  Or do you wish to continue to just be the laughing stock of the flat Earth believers?  The place where the trolls who just want to argue go.   The place where only a very select few actually believe the flat earth stuff they are posting about.  I only ask that you defend your positions, if you cannot, do not make them public.  On that note, Do you see me attacking people like th3rm0 who will at least discuss things without resorting to insulting behavior?  I haven't even messed with you tappet.  Yet.  I have yet to see anyone refute anything I have posted, there have been some straw man tactics, and some general hand waving, but nothing that comes close to a rebuttal.  So the forum became boring to me, and I have now decided to start highlighting a little of the BS I see, all while making my little puppets dance when I wish them to.  There is no hatred in my heart for any of you.  So do not think that your accusations affect me at all. 
Papa, I asked for a clarification on what you believe.  Your initial response is not what I asked.  You do however do a nice troll dance when I instruct you to.  Let's see more of your insulting ways little puppet.  Dance again. 
Legion, saying that a flat Earth supporter cannot be a troll is a misstating of the definition of the term.  So you are saying that anyone who agrees with you cannot be a troll then?  Yes it is the flat Earth society, sorta, but when you open your doors to debate and the ones claiming to support your claims are doing nothing but making your entire idea stupid and throwing insults around just to get the discussion into an argument then they are trolls.  The weak minded response to anything you cannot refute is to go to insults.  This is what I see here. 
So no I do not think I will go away tappet.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 10, 2015, 12:51:22 AM
Markjo: No, I didn't admit that; yet again you show your utter inability to read.

Unsurprising, from someone who doesn't even know what the word 'ALL' means...

You know, for a while there, happy-fascist markjo, I thought you were to be my new source of comedy gold, now that bijane has retreated into her mouse-hole Australian hugbox; but everything you write really is too empty, insipid & tedious even for that.

What exactly is your point then?

Rayzor: Let me explain to you too: shut up.

& also learn to read.

But enough of all that; this thread is not about you.

It's about me. And I've decided it's now time for another operant conditioning session.

Now, I realise that operant conditioning works best in conjunction with some form of reward/punishment regime; sadly for you, though, I'm all out of Carrots...

So you'll just have to keep settling for the Stick.

Anyhow: IF YOU HAVE NOT BEEN TO SPACE THEN YOU HAVE NO DIRECT & UNAMBIGUOUS EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE FOR WHAT IT'S LIKE.

THEREFORE YOUR WORD ON THE SUBJECT IS WORTHLESS
.

Oh, & Mikey T L;dr - tl;dr, 'puppet-master'.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: tappet on May 10, 2015, 01:28:30 AM
So, I'll admit I was possible incorrect about your flat Earth ideas.  Yet with the way you spew insults and complement the other flat Earth trolls, and your avatar statement, you do smell of it.

Your hatred toward FEers is obvious.
Something is not quite right. Maybe you should leave this forum and go chill for a while, maybe go mow the lawn or something.
At the very least ask yourself what you are doing here.
I can assuredly tell you that my initial reasons for being here were in fact to find out why.  But in my time here I have seen enough to make me understand what this place really is for most of the posters here.  It is not for discussion of possible flat Earth ideas.  I am only giving back a small portion of what I have received here when trying to refute some of your nonsense.  So you do not like my new attitude towards your?  I can sit here and try to explain things and am called a liar, a shill, stupid, all manner of things, but when I do start to act in defense of myself it is too strong for you then.  I see the weak mindedness of so many here, and only pressure those who seem to have the shittiest of attitudes towards others.  Is it my fault I can easily make you dance for me?  I can post certain things and know what your response is going to be before you do.  It has added a new level of fun to the board watching certain people squirm.  If they learn a lesson and start actually discussing things again, am I not doing the forum a benefit?  Or do you wish to continue to just be the laughing stock of the flat Earth believers?  The place where the trolls who just want to argue go.   The place where only a very select few actually believe the flat earth stuff they are posting about.  I only ask that you defend your positions, if you cannot, do not make them public.  On that note, Do you see me attacking people like th3rm0 who will at least discuss things without resorting to insulting behavior?  I haven't even messed with you tappet.  Yet.  I have yet to see anyone refute anything I have posted, there have been some straw man tactics, and some general hand waving, but nothing that comes close to a rebuttal.  So the forum became boring to me, and I have now decided to start highlighting a little of the BS I see, all while making my little puppets dance when I wish them to.  There is no hatred in my heart for any of you.  So do not think that your accusations affect me at all. 
Papa, I asked for a clarification on what you believe.  Your initial response is not what I asked.  You do however do a nice troll dance when I instruct you to.  Let's see more of your insulting ways little puppet.  Dance again. 
Legion, saying that a flat Earth supporter cannot be a troll is a misstating of the definition of the term.  So you are saying that anyone who agrees with you cannot be a troll then?  Yes it is the flat Earth society, sorta, but when you open your doors to debate and the ones claiming to support your claims are doing nothing but making your entire idea stupid and throwing insults around just to get the discussion into an argument then they are trolls.  The weak minded response to anything you cannot refute is to go to insults.  This is what I see here. 
So no I do not think I will go away tappet.
Nek minute !
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 10, 2015, 04:33:38 AM
So have you been to NASA yet?
If not you have no direct, unambiguous evidence for what they do, and your opinion on the subject is worthless.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 10, 2015, 04:49:30 AM
Yay! Calamity Jane is back & brought the Comedy Gold with her!

How, exactly, do I 'go to NASA', little mouse?

It is an Organisation, not a Place.

If you'd said 'go to NASA H.Q.' or similar I may have understood you; but how can I go to an abstract, uncentralised entity?

Does visiting their shonky website count? If so, I've already been.

& it was shit.

Every single time you post, your foot ends up in your mouth; it is priceless.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Scroto Gaggins on May 10, 2015, 05:21:06 AM
Yay! Calamity Jane is back & brought the Comedy Gold with her!

How, exactly, do I 'go to NASA', little mouse?

It is an Organisation, not a Place.

If you'd said 'go to NASA H.Q.' or similar I may have understood you; but how can I go to an abstract, uncentralised entity?

Does visiting their shonky website count? If so, I've already been.

& it was shit.

Every single time you post, your foot ends up in your mouth; it is priceless.
Can you please answer my question?

Is personally experiencing something the only way one can gain knowledge of it?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 10, 2015, 05:50:22 AM
Yep, you're definitely incapable of understanding what's being said. Otherwise you'd have actually answered the questions posed to you by multiple people, multiple times.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Doglover on May 10, 2015, 06:09:53 AM
Wait a second.


How do we know Papa Legba exists?

We don't have any empirical evidence for his existence. All we have is some forum account that could easily be a bot. He does constantly repeat statements.

I asked the same thing several pages back. Got no responce out of Papa Legba. Serious evidence of being a bot!
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: JerkFace on May 10, 2015, 06:18:27 AM
Wait a second.


How do we know Papa Legba exists?

We don't have any empirical evidence for his existence. All we have is some forum account that could easily be a bot. He does constantly repeat statements.

I asked the same thing several pages back. Got no responce out of Papa Legba. Serious evidence of being a bot!

Interesting theory,   is Papa Legless a bot?   First impression I would have to say no,  a bot would be smarter.   No programmer would release a bot that can only generate insults and no intelligent content.
My money would be on a 14 year old who has borrowed his big sisters laptop.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Doglover on May 10, 2015, 06:25:42 AM
Wait a second.


How do we know Papa Legba exists?

We don't have any empirical evidence for his existence. All we have is some forum account that could easily be a bot. He does constantly repeat statements.

I asked the same thing several pages back. Got no responce out of Papa Legba. Serious evidence of being a bot!

Interesting theory,   is Papa Legless a bot?   First impression I would have to say no,  a bot would be smarter.   No programmer would release a bot that can only generate insults and no intelligent content.
My money would be on a 14 year old who has borrowed his big sisters laptop.

Yeah, your probably right about Bot Theory. Sisters laptpo? It has merit.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 10, 2015, 06:48:17 AM
Do I detect the sound of BAWtism?

Doglover et al: If you think me a 'bot', then stop responding to me; as I have stated before, none of you will be missed.

Calamity Jane: I think the neutral reader knows exactly which one of us is 'incapable of understanding what's being said'. As I have repeatedly stated, the fact that you do not like the answer I give you does not entitle you to a different one.

Narcissism much?

As for the question of whether personally experiencing something is the only way to gain knowledge of it; sounds like a good way to bog someone down in minutiae to me...

Tell you what; why don't you start a thread on the subject & I'll respond there, if I choose.

Oh! You have.

 & I haven't.

No; this thread is for the topic of whether or not you have been to space, thus gaining you direct, unambiguous empirical evidence for what it's like.

Answer, or do not answer; it makes no difference to me.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Doglover on May 10, 2015, 07:19:38 AM
Do I detect the sound of BAWtism?

Doglover et al: If you think me a 'bot', then stop responding to me; as I have stated before, none of you will be missed.

Calamity Jane: I think the neutral reader knows exactly which one of us is 'incapable of understanding what's being said'. As I have repeatedly stated, the fact that you do not like the answer I give you does not entitle you to a different one.

Narcissism much?

As for the question of whether personally experiencing something is the only way to gain knowledge of it; sounds like a good way to bog someone down in minutiae to me...

Tell you what; why don't you start a thread on the subject & I'll respond there, if I choose.

Oh! You have.

 & I haven't.

No; this thread is for the topic of whether or not you have been to space, thus gaining you direct, unambiguous empirical evidence for what it's like.

Answer, or do not answer; it makes no difference to me.

The depth of your delusion is astounding.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 10, 2015, 07:36:43 AM
LOL!!!

You talk of the depth of MY delusions???

That's priceless, coming from a 29-contentless-posts, obvious-butthurt-sock-puppet-is-obvious, anonymous internet non-being!

& you talk about me being a bot...

Nice try, kid, but I told you before; you're out of your league.

Back to your snot-&-resentful-tears-filled hugbox now; better luck next time.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Doglover on May 10, 2015, 07:46:55 AM
LOL!!!

You talk of the depth of MY delusions???

That's priceless, coming from a 29-contentless-posts, obvious-butthurt-sock-puppet-is-obvious, anonymous internet non-being!

& you talk about me being a bot...

Nice try, kid, but I told you before; you're out of your league.

Back to your snot-&-resentful-tears-filled hugbox now; better luck next time.

So I assume you have not been to Australia, have you. How bout NASA?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: markjo on May 10, 2015, 07:59:40 AM
As for the question of whether personally experiencing something is the only way to gain knowledge of it; sounds like a good way to bog someone down in minutiae to me...

No.  It goes to the validity of your repeated assertion that:
IF YOU HAVE NOT BEEN TO SPACE THEN YOU HAVE NO DIRECT & UNAMBIGUOUS EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE FOR WHAT IT'S LIKE.

THEREFORE YOUR WORD ON THE SUBJECT IS WORTHLESS
.

Answer, or do not answer; it makes no difference to me.
If it makes no difference, then why do you keep asking?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 10, 2015, 10:48:13 AM
IF YOU HAVE NOT BEEN TO NASA THEN YOU HAVE NO DIRECT & UNAMBIGUOUS EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE FOR WHAT IT'S LIKE.

THEREFORE YOUR WORD ON THE SUBJECT IS WORTHLESS.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: The Ellimist on May 10, 2015, 12:33:05 PM
Markjo: No, I didn't admit that; yet again you show your utter inability to read.

Unsurprising, from someone who doesn't even know what the word 'ALL' means...

You know, for a while there, happy-fascist markjo, I thought you were to be my new source of comedy gold, now that bijane has retreated into her mouse-hole Australian hugbox; but everything you write really is too empty, insipid & tedious even for that.

What exactly is your point then?

Rayzor: Let me explain to you too: shut up.

& also learn to read.

But enough of all that; this thread is not about you.

It's about me. And I've decided it's now time for another operant conditioning session.

Now, I realise that operant conditioning works best in conjunction with some form of reward/punishment regime; sadly for you, though, I'm all out of Carrots...

So you'll just have to keep settling for the Stick.

Anyhow: IF YOU HAVE NOT BEEN TO SPACE THEN YOU HAVE NO DIRECT & UNAMBIGUOUS EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE FOR WHAT IT'S LIKE.

THEREFORE YOUR WORD ON THE SUBJECT IS WORTHLESS
.

Oh, & Mikey T L;dr - tl;dr, 'puppet-master'.

IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN PAPA LEGBA THEN YOU HAVE NO DIRECT & UNAMBIGUOUS EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE THAT HE EXISTS.

THEREFORE YOUR WORD ON THE SUBJECT IS WORTHLESS[/b]
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 10, 2015, 12:48:06 PM
Bijane: I answered you; now STFU.

Markjo: You too, Nazi grinder-man; now STFU.

Doglover: LOL! Also, STFU.

Ellimist: Who are you replying to, then? Plus, STFU.

I asked if any of you have been to space.

It's a 'yes' or 'no' question, not a goddamn philosophical treatise.

No matter how much you try to make it so.

Cos if you AIN'T actually BEEN to space, then you CAN NOT state with any certainty what it's like.

A child can see this; but you lot? No chance.

Why?

I don't care.

That's your problem, not mine.

Now get on with enjoying your usual sock-puppet shit-post shout-down.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Misero on May 10, 2015, 01:05:36 PM
Okay, no.

Now, let's use this analogy on something terrestrial.

Do you think, that due to the fact that you specifically have not observed an elephant washing itself in person, only in photos and videos, you should assume that the videos and photos of those elephants are entirely false?

If you cannot answer this simple yes/no question, you are not worth my time.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Doglover on May 10, 2015, 01:08:01 PM

Cos if you AIN'T actually BEEN to space (Australia, NASA, the corner store for that matter) then you CAN NOT state with any certainty what it's like.

A child can see this; but you lot? No chance.

Why?

I don't care.

That's your problem, not mine.

Now get on with enjoying your usual sock-puppet shit-post shout-down.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 10, 2015, 01:14:53 PM
Misero & Doglover: LOL! + fail = you.

Now carry on with your self-trolling & shit-posting...

The operant conditioning will continue when you've all shot your wads & calmed down.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Doglover on May 10, 2015, 02:11:41 PM
Misero & Doglover: LOL! + fail = you.

Now carry on with your self-trolling & shit-posting...

The operant conditioning will continue when you've all shot your wads & calmed down.

Can you ever do anything but sling insults and foul language?

You seem at least intelligent enough to have a vocabulary consisting of multisyllabic words. Why don't you put some of it to work, along with a modicum of reason, and see where your argument about empirical evidence of space fails?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: markjo on May 10, 2015, 02:15:19 PM
I asked if any of you have been to space.

It's a 'yes' or 'no' question, not a goddamn philosophical treatise.
No, I haven't been to space.  However, over 500 other people and countless satellites and probes have been to space. 

Cos if you AIN'T actually BEEN to space, then you CAN NOT state with any certainty what it's like.
You're right, I can't say from my own personal experience what space is like.  However, I can learn from other people's experiences.  Why can't you?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 10, 2015, 02:24:18 PM
Bijane: I answered you; now STFU.

Nope, as per usual you just evade.
And you keep asking your questions even when it's been answered, so I'm going to keep asking.


Have you been to NASA yet?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 10, 2015, 02:40:50 PM
Markjo: tb;dr (Too Boring; Didn't Read).

Get a new avatar, motto, persona, style, brain, etc, etc, & maybe I'll start to bother with you...

But after seeing you've dribbled twenty-seven THOUSAND insipid posts of utterly rigid, mind-numbing, strait-jacketed tedium & social/mental conformity on this site already I very much doubt you'll ever change.

So let's agree to disagree, okay, hippety-skippety Nazi markjo?

Plus, you really messed up with your offensive 'fesces' eating posts, kiddo; I'll not forget them in a hurry.

Just fyi, you know?

Bijane: (LOL!+fail) x BAWWWW! = you. Divided by Comedy Gold, on occasion.

See you both in the morning for your therapy.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: gotham on May 10, 2015, 03:18:24 PM
Papa Legba, TFES welcomes spirited debate within its discussion boards.  There are rules guiding these discussions and members are encouraged to read them. 

When the moderators determine members post in a manner that goes against the stated rules, we can issue warnings and bans according to how a given member responds to the warnings.

Please keep board rules in mind as you continue to participate here at TFES. 

Much appreciated.
 

   
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 10, 2015, 03:31:44 PM
Have you been to NASA yet?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: th3rm0m3t3r0 on May 10, 2015, 03:43:28 PM
Papa, if you make an argument solely rooted in fallacious reasoning, it is bound to collapse.
Making semantic arguments and personally attacking people won't get you very far.

Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Rama Set on May 10, 2015, 04:00:43 PM
Papa, if you make an argument solely rooted in fallacious reasoning, it is bound to collapse.
Making semantic arguments and personally attacking people won't get you very far.

Thanks for "crossing the floor" on this.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: th3rm0m3t3r0 on May 10, 2015, 04:06:02 PM
Papa, if you make an argument solely rooted in fallacious reasoning, it is bound to collapse.
Making semantic arguments and personally attacking people won't get you very far.

Thanks for "crossing the floor" on this.
Huh?
I'm assuming that was a sarcastic remark.
I thought we were friends.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Rama Set on May 10, 2015, 04:08:04 PM
Papa, if you make an argument solely rooted in fallacious reasoning, it is bound to collapse.
Making semantic arguments and personally attacking people won't get you very far.

Thanks for "crossing the floor" on this.
Huh?
I'm assuming that was a sarcastic remark.
I thought we were friends.

Not sarcastic. In the upper fora, usually FEers do not stick up for REers and vice versa is all; so thanks. Now just say "you are welcome", before this gets too bromantic.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: markjo on May 10, 2015, 06:25:39 PM
Markjo: tb;dr (Too Boring; Didn't Read).
Then why do you ask the same question over and over if the answer is too boring?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: th3rm0m3t3r0 on May 10, 2015, 06:43:52 PM
Papa, if you make an argument solely rooted in fallacious reasoning, it is bound to collapse.
Making semantic arguments and personally attacking people won't get you very far.

Thanks for "crossing the floor" on this.
Huh?
I'm assuming that was a sarcastic remark.
I thought we were friends.

Not sarcastic. In the upper fora, usually FEers do not stick up for REers and vice versa is all; so thanks. Now just say "you are welcome", before this gets too bromantic.
I don't take kindly to people making us look bad as a group.
You're welcome.
I love you.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 10, 2015, 09:50:31 PM
The proposition: 'IF YOU HAVE NOT BEEN TO SPACE, THEN YOU CANNOT SAY WITH ANY CERTAINTY WHAT IT IS LIKE & THEREFORE YOUR WORD ON THE SUBJECT IS ULTIMATELY WORTHLESS' is not an example of 'fallacious reasoning'; it is a statement of the bleeding obvious.

One that the space-Cultists here have a very hard time accepting, it seems...

Further; I do not accept that I have been making you 'look bad as a group'; I have been making the fools among you look even more foolish & the humourless among you look even more humourless.

Everybody else has been having a good old laugh.

I remind you that I was not the first to use crude language or base insults on this thread; I have merely given as good as I received, simply done in a more inventive & eloquent manner.

The space-Cultists sowed the wind; they cannot then complain when they reap the whirlwind.

As for my using semantic trickery, again, this was a weapon first used against my simple proposition by the Cultists; yet, again, they complain when I turn it round, sharpen it & use it against them.

Are you starting to see a pattern here?

Not once have I called the mods, even when ganged up on, abused & told to eat 'fesces' by mobs of obvious sock-puppets; yet the Cultists appear to call the mods on my every post.

'Appeal to authority' much?

Attempted censorship much?

So: ban me if you wish; it matters not to me, for I have already won this 'debate'. The depths which the Cultists have had to plumb in order to try & stifle my voice is as damning a testimony as I could wish for.

Because, of course, the undeniable Truth is that not a single one of them has actually been to space.

& their word on the subject has no more validity than that of a new-born child.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Rama Set on May 10, 2015, 10:59:12 PM
I have already won this 'debate'.
You aren't debating.  If you were, you would make a constructive reply to questions posed of you.  You are pontificating.  No one wins in pontification.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: JerkFace on May 10, 2015, 11:58:01 PM
The proposition: 'IF YOU HAVE NOT BEEN TO SPACE, THEN YOU CANNOT SAY WITH ANY CERTAINTY WHAT IT IS LIKE & THEREFORE YOUR WORD ON THE SUBJECT IS ULTIMATELY WORTHLESS' is not an example of 'fallacious reasoning'; it is a statement of the bleeding obvious.

One that the space-Cultists here have a very hard time accepting, it seems...


Not true in any respect,   Just because you don't accept that space is real, doesn't mean anyone else has to buy into your narrow view of reality.   

Ok,  you may now resume your ranting and somewhat obscene fixation with excrement. 


Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Doglover on May 11, 2015, 04:42:45 AM


Further; I do not accept that I have been making you 'look bad as a group'; I have been making the fools among you look even more foolish & the humourless among you look even more humourless.



Trust me, you have been.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: markjo on May 11, 2015, 05:22:59 AM
The proposition: 'IF YOU HAVE NOT BEEN TO SPACE, THEN YOU CANNOT SAY WITH ANY CERTAINTY WHAT IT IS LIKE & THEREFORE YOUR WORD ON THE SUBJECT IS ULTIMATELY WORTHLESS' is not an example of 'fallacious reasoning'; it is a statement of the bleeding obvious.
And yet you refuse to explain why one can not learn about the conditions in space from other sources.  Why is that?

One that the space-Cultists here have a very hard time accepting, it seems...
And one that you have a very hard time defending, it seems.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Weatherwax on May 11, 2015, 06:19:06 AM
If I watch a football match, am I allowed an opinion on the performance of the teams? Or do you have to actually play in the game to have an opinion?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: ausGeoff on May 11, 2015, 06:49:02 AM
The proposition: 'IF YOU HAVE NOT BEEN TO SPACE, THEN YOU CANNOT SAY WITH ANY CERTAINTY WHAT IT IS LIKE & THEREFORE YOUR WORD ON THE SUBJECT IS ULTIMATELY WORTHLESS' is not an example of 'fallacious reasoning'; it is a statement of the bleeding obvious.

One that the space-Cultists here have a very hard time accepting, it seems...

Further; I do not accept that I have been making you 'look bad as a group'; I have been making the fools among you look even more foolish & the humourless among you look even more humourless.

Everybody else has been having a good old laugh.

I remind you that I was not the first to use crude language or base insults on this thread; I have merely given as good as I received, simply done in a more inventive & eloquent manner.

The space-Cultists sowed the wind; they cannot then complain when they reap the whirlwind.

As for my using semantic trickery, again, this was a weapon first used against my simple proposition by the Cultists; yet, again, they complain when I turn it round, sharpen it & use it against them.

Are you starting to see a pattern here?

Not once have I called the mods, even when ganged up on, abused & told to eat 'fesces' by mobs of obvious sock-puppets; yet the Cultists appear to call the mods on my every post.

'Appeal to authority' much?

Attempted censorship much?

So: ban me if you wish; it matters not to me, for I have already won this 'debate'. The depths which the Cultists have had to plumb in order to try & stifle my voice is as damning a testimony as I could wish for.

Because, of course, the undeniable Truth is that not a single one of them has actually been to space.

& their word on the subject has no more validity than that of a new-born child.


Oh dear.  This lunatic is worse than JRoweSkeptic, iWitness, legion, and sceptimatic all rolled into one entity.  And to think I was banned for a simple comment in the Q&A forum with NO PM warning LOL.

I'm amazed my favourite nemesis jroa hasn't yet banned this guy.    ;D
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: sceptimatic on May 11, 2015, 06:54:05 AM
The proposition: 'IF YOU HAVE NOT BEEN TO SPACE, THEN YOU CANNOT SAY WITH ANY CERTAINTY WHAT IT IS LIKE & THEREFORE YOUR WORD ON THE SUBJECT IS ULTIMATELY WORTHLESS' is not an example of 'fallacious reasoning'; it is a statement of the bleeding obvious.

One that the space-Cultists here have a very hard time accepting, it seems...

Further; I do not accept that I have been making you 'look bad as a group'; I have been making the fools among you look even more foolish & the humourless among you look even more humourless.

Everybody else has been having a good old laugh.

I remind you that I was not the first to use crude language or base insults on this thread; I have merely given as good as I received, simply done in a more inventive & eloquent manner.

The space-Cultists sowed the wind; they cannot then complain when they reap the whirlwind.

As for my using semantic trickery, again, this was a weapon first used against my simple proposition by the Cultists; yet, again, they complain when I turn it round, sharpen it & use it against them.

Are you starting to see a pattern here?

Not once have I called the mods, even when ganged up on, abused & told to eat 'fesces' by mobs of obvious sock-puppets; yet the Cultists appear to call the mods on my every post.

'Appeal to authority' much?

Attempted censorship much?

So: ban me if you wish; it matters not to me, for I have already won this 'debate'. The depths which the Cultists have had to plumb in order to try & stifle my voice is as damning a testimony as I could wish for.

Because, of course, the undeniable Truth is that not a single one of them has actually been to space.

& their word on the subject has no more validity than that of a new-born child.


Oh dear.  This lunatic is worse than JRoweSkeptic, iWitness, legion, and sceptimatic all rolled into one entity.  And to think I was banned for a simple comment in the Q&A forum with NO PM warning LOL.

I'm amazed my favourite nemesis jroa hasn't yet banned this guy.    ;D
If they start banning people like Papa, then this site isn't worth a toss, is it, leaving dipshit's like you still here.  ;D
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: markjo on May 11, 2015, 07:04:38 AM
If they start banning people like Papa, then this site isn't worth a toss, is it, leaving dipshit's like you still here.  ;D
Perhaps if people like Papa were to behave in a civil manner, then there wouldn't need to be any talk of banning people like him.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: ausGeoff on May 11, 2015, 07:07:16 AM
If they start banning people like Papa, then this site isn't worth a toss, is it, leaving dipshit's like you still here.

LOL... I see one can still rely on poor old sceptimatic to insert an off-topic personal insult into a thread whenever it's necessary.  The guy still can't come up with any half-articulate responses that address the OP.  And I was sure when I was last here that he'd been permanently banned?  Sadly that's apparently not the case.

And I see that sceptimatic is still defending all the whack-jobs that've sprung up on these forums like mushrooms in Spring.  Birds of a feather etc?     ;D

Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: sceptimatic on May 11, 2015, 07:26:59 AM
If they start banning people like Papa, then this site isn't worth a toss, is it, leaving dipshit's like you still here.

LOL... I see one can still rely on poor old sceptimatic to insert an off-topic personal insult into a thread whenever it's necessary.  The guy still can't come up with any half-articulate responses that address the OP.  And I was sure when I was last here that he'd been permanently banned?  Sadly that's apparently not the case.

And I see that sceptimatic is still defending all the whack-jobs that've sprung up on these forums like mushrooms in Spring.  Birds of a feather etc?     ;D
You're welcome to this site Geoffrey. You win. Your shillery as well as your mates are allowed. Your constant screaming from bans have been allowed.
I'll be posting the odd thing from time to time and to be honest, I think most alternative thinkers are fed up of this site now due to shit like you being allowed to infest it.

It's such a shame. Think yourself lucky I'm not a mod on here because your posts would be constantly toyed with and my bias towards people like you would be full on.  ;D

Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 11, 2015, 10:16:44 AM
Hello ausGeoff LOL. (who also LOL. posts using the LOL. sock-puppet ZennerOne LOL. So that ban you keep LOL. whinging about was real effective wasn't it? LOL.).

Care to tell us LOL. if YOU have been to space? LOL.

This should be LOL.

LOL.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 11, 2015, 10:22:40 AM
Hello ausGeoff LOL. (who also LOL. posts using the LOL. sock-puppet ZennerOne LOL. So that ban you keep LOL. whinging about was real effective wasn't it? LOL.).

Care to tell us LOL. if YOU have been to space? LOL.

This should be LOL.

LOL.

You just managed to be more obnoxious than Geoff. Well done, that takes some doing.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 11, 2015, 12:03:10 PM
LOL.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: legion on May 11, 2015, 01:15:16 PM
Oh great. geoffrey is back. Amused to hear you got banned. Not amused to discover it was only temporarily.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 11, 2015, 02:16:38 PM
Yeah, Legion; that's a good point.

On second thoughts, ausGeoff - DON'T tell us if you've been to space or not.

Nobody cares.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Scroto Gaggins on May 11, 2015, 03:55:35 PM
Yeah, Legion; that's a good point.

On second thoughts, ausGeoff - DON'T tell us if you've been to space or not.

Nobody cares.
He might have been to space, and therefore has unambiguous, empirical evidence for what it is like.
And you just shushed him.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 11, 2015, 09:53:01 PM
I know; shame on me LOL.

Yet, still, I do not want to hear anything he has to say on any subject whatsoever LOL.

Just the way he adds inappropriate & oddly-punctuated LOL.s to nigh-on every damn sentence he spams is reason enough LOL.

But if he wants to try his luck then I doubt a 'shush' from me will stop him LOL.

Cos nothing else does LOL.

LOL.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Lemmiwinks on May 12, 2015, 08:53:41 AM
HAVE ANY OF YOU BEEN TO CHINA?

IF NOT YOU HAVE NO DIRECT, UNAMBIGUOUS EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE FOR WHAT IT'S LIKE.

& YOUR WORD ON THE SUBJECT IS WORTHLESS.

You THINK it isn't; but it IS.


Or, Janes which I also like

HAVE ANY OF YOU BEEN TO NASA?

IF NOT YOU HAVE NO DIRECT, UNAMBIGUOUS EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE FOR WHAT IT'S LIKE.

& YOUR WORD ON THE SUBJECT IS WORTHLESS.

You THINK it isn't; but it IS.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: ausGeoff on May 12, 2015, 09:13:24 AM
I know; shame on me LOL.

Yet, still, I do not want to hear anything he has to say on any subject whatsoever LOL.

Just the way he adds inappropriate & oddly-punctuated LOL.s to nigh-on every damn sentence he spams is reason enough LOL.

But if he wants to try his luck then I doubt a 'shush' from me will stop him LOL.

Cos nothing else does LOL.

LOL.

I'd be more than happy if you added me to your IGNORE listing like sceptimatic claimed to do, but strangely kept responding to my comments nonetheless.  Presumably you'll do the same?  Like moths to the flame... hmm; pure poetry.

BTW, I normally don't respond to people whose IQ matches room temperature, but in your case I'll make an exception to hopefully suggest some relief for my comments that've obviously struck a raw nerve with you.  But I'm guessing you won't be able to resist making at least one more comment after you read this.  Or will you prove me wrong?  I'm betting not.  LOL.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: sceptimatic on May 12, 2015, 09:33:36 AM
I know; shame on me LOL.

Yet, still, I do not want to hear anything he has to say on any subject whatsoever LOL.

Just the way he adds inappropriate & oddly-punctuated LOL.s to nigh-on every damn sentence he spams is reason enough LOL.

But if he wants to try his luck then I doubt a 'shush' from me will stop him LOL.

Cos nothing else does LOL.

LOL.

I'd be more than happy if you added me to your IGNORE listing like sceptimatic claimed to do, but strangely kept responding to my comments nonetheless.  Presumably you'll do the same?  Like moths to the flame... hmm; pure poetry.

BTW, I normally don't respond to people whose IQ matches room temperature, but in your case I'll make an exception to hopefully suggest some relief for my comments that've obviously struck a raw nerve with you.  But I'm guessing you won't be able to resist making at least one more comment after you read this.  Or will you prove me wrong?  I'm betting not.  LOL.
Have you ever been to space?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Lemmiwinks on May 12, 2015, 09:36:28 AM
I know; shame on me LOL.

Yet, still, I do not want to hear anything he has to say on any subject whatsoever LOL.

Just the way he adds inappropriate & oddly-punctuated LOL.s to nigh-on every damn sentence he spams is reason enough LOL.

But if he wants to try his luck then I doubt a 'shush' from me will stop him LOL.

Cos nothing else does LOL.

LOL.

I'd be more than happy if you added me to your IGNORE listing like sceptimatic claimed to do, but strangely kept responding to my comments nonetheless.  Presumably you'll do the same?  Like moths to the flame... hmm; pure poetry.

BTW, I normally don't respond to people whose IQ matches room temperature, but in your case I'll make an exception to hopefully suggest some relief for my comments that've obviously struck a raw nerve with you.  But I'm guessing you won't be able to resist making at least one more comment after you read this.  Or will you prove me wrong?  I'm betting not.  LOL.
Have you ever been to space?

Have you ever been to Djibouti?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 12, 2015, 09:45:34 AM
I'd be more than happy if you added me to your IGNORE listing like sceptimatic claimed to do, but strangely kept responding to my comments nonetheless.

Do you actually know how the ignore system works? Seriously?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 12, 2015, 12:13:08 PM
I would like to return to bijane's allegedly clever & relevant comment re: 'have I been to NASA?'.

Bijane; as previously stated, NASA is an ORGANISATION, not a PLACE.

It is a DECENTRALISED BUREAUCRATIC ENTITY; how, exactly, am I supposed to visit such a thing?

If you had said 'have you been to NASA's facilities in Cape Kennedy?' I may have been able to provide you with an answer; but, as the question is phrased, you ask the impossible.

The nearest thing I can imagine to visiting NASA as a whole is to peruse their website; this I have done.

And I consider their website to be a dusty, ramshackle repository of blah, LOL & fail, without any merit whatsoever...

So; in a strange, roundabout, illogical yet typically comically-gold fashion you are at least partially correct b.j - my opinion of NASA is: 'WORTHLESS!'

ausGeoff: WTF???
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: mikeman7918 on May 12, 2015, 12:25:27 PM
NASA actually plans to overhaul their website and make it better.  Even they agree that it needs updated.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 12, 2015, 12:38:13 PM
Mikeman.nasa.gov: NASA plans a lot of things; then thinks 'Nah; screw them geeks!' & spends your tax-money on hookers, blow & cheesy s.f.x.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: mikeman7918 on May 12, 2015, 12:46:39 PM
Mikeman.nasa.gov: NASA plans a lot of things; then thinks 'Nah; screw them geeks!' & spends your tax-money on hookers, blow & cheesy s.f.x.

Actually, I just noticed that NASA has already overhauled it's website.  Just look at it, it's a lot better now: http://www.nasa.gov/ (http://www.nasa.gov/)
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Lemmiwinks on May 12, 2015, 12:49:26 PM
Actually guys, they already have.

nasa.gov

Its designed like its an app for an ipad, I can't say I enjoy it much. but whatevs.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 12, 2015, 12:54:14 PM
WOW IAM AMAZED & GHANGED MY OPINIONN ABOUT SPACE YOU HAVE ALL BEEN YHERECOS  NASA NEW WEBSITTE SO SHINY & IPAD FRENDLY SHAME ON ME BAD PAPOA LEGBA BADD OMG OMG OPMG NASA!!!!!!!!!








lol.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Alpha2Omega on May 12, 2015, 01:01:25 PM
I know; shame on me LOL.

Yet, still, I do not want to hear anything he has to say on any subject whatsoever LOL.

Just the way he adds inappropriate & oddly-punctuated LOL.s to nigh-on every damn sentence he spams is reason enough LOL.

But if he wants to try his luck then I doubt a 'shush' from me will stop him LOL.

Cos nothing else does LOL.

LOL.

I'd be more than happy if you added me to your IGNORE listing like sceptimatic claimed to do, but strangely kept responding to my comments nonetheless.  Presumably you'll do the same?  Like moths to the flame... hmm; pure poetry.

BTW, I normally don't respond to people whose IQ matches room temperature, but in your case I'll make an exception to hopefully suggest some relief for my comments that've obviously struck a raw nerve with you.  But I'm guessing you won't be able to resist making at least one more comment after you read this.  Or will you prove me wrong?  I'm betting not.  LOL.
Have you ever been to space?

Papa himself is now pretending this line of argument was a joke all along. That's one way to try to get out of it.

Alpha2Omega; The internet would be nothing without people who pontificate on subjects they know nothing about.

After all, I just got a 20+ lulz-filled pages thread out of precisely that.

& I thank you for your valuable contributions to it.

Now get back to pontificating on the internet about people who pontificate on the internet about subjects they know nothing about.

& I'll do the same.

But with jokes.

The guy's a riot!
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: legion on May 12, 2015, 01:10:29 PM
I know; shame on me LOL.

Yet, still, I do not want to hear anything he has to say on any subject whatsoever LOL.

Just the way he adds inappropriate & oddly-punctuated LOL.s to nigh-on every damn sentence he spams is reason enough LOL.

But if he wants to try his luck then I doubt a 'shush' from me will stop him LOL.

Cos nothing else does LOL.

LOL.

I'd be more than happy if you added me to your IGNORE listing like sceptimatic claimed to do, but strangely kept responding to my comments nonetheless.  Presumably you'll do the same?  Like moths to the flame... hmm; pure poetry.

BTW, I normally don't respond to people whose IQ matches room temperature, but in your case I'll make an exception to hopefully suggest some relief for my comments that've obviously struck a raw nerve with you.  But I'm guessing you won't be able to resist making at least one more comment after you read this.  Or will you prove me wrong?  I'm betting not.  LOL.
Have you ever been to space?

Papa himself is now pretending this line of argument was a joke all along. That's one way to try to get out of it.

Alpha2Omega; The internet would be nothing without people who pontificate on subjects they know nothing about.

After all, I just got a 20+ lulz-filled pages thread out of precisely that.

& I thank you for your valuable contributions to it.

Now get back to pontificating on the internet about people who pontificate on the internet about subjects they know nothing about.

& I'll do the same.

But with jokes.

The guy's a riot!

Dull people are threatened by jokes. You don't know what to do, do you alpha?

When you try to belittle papa legba, it sounds hollow. Desperate, even. And of course, not at all funny.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Lemmiwinks on May 12, 2015, 01:10:59 PM
WOW IAM AMAZED & GHANGED MY OPINIONN ABOUT SPACE YOU HAVE ALL BEEN YHERECOS  NASA NEW WEBSITTE SO SHINY & IPAD FRENDLY SHAME ON ME BAD PAPOA LEGBA BADD OMG OMG OPMG NASA!!!!!!!!!








lol.

LOLOLOL I HAZ NUTIN TO SAY THATS SMRT OR GUD SO I MAKE FUNZ OF YOU LULLLZZZ!!!!
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: legion on May 12, 2015, 01:12:46 PM
WOW IAM AMAZED & GHANGED MY OPINIONN ABOUT SPACE YOU HAVE ALL BEEN YHERECOS  NASA NEW WEBSITTE SO SHINY & IPAD FRENDLY SHAME ON ME BAD PAPOA LEGBA BADD OMG OMG OPMG NASA!!!!!!!!!








lol.

LOLOLOL I HAZ NUTIN TO SAY THATS SMRT OR GUD SO I MAKE FUNZ OF YOU LULLLZZZ!!!!

I rest my case.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 12, 2015, 01:14:24 PM
Alpha2Omega: Butthurt much?

YOU have been the joke all along, not me.

I cannot help but be funnier than you, because I have a sense of humour, whereas you have a sense of unwarranted self-importance.

& to all space-cultists generally: PLEASE work out which of your sock-puppets are which.
Really, you are very bad at this; at least give them distinctive & reliable voices. Don't just chop+change from smart to dumb at the drop of a hat.

Seriously - to ANY net-savvy person your antics are embarrassingly obvious.

Try harder.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: markjo on May 12, 2015, 01:18:37 PM
When you try to belittle papa legba, it sounds hollow. Desperate, even. And of course, not at all funny.
What does it say about papa legba when he belittles just about everyone? 
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 12, 2015, 01:21:15 PM
It says just about everyone here is an idiot.

Obviously, happy-joy-joy-goose-stepper turd-gobbler markjo.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: legion on May 12, 2015, 01:23:59 PM
When you try to belittle papa legba, it sounds hollow. Desperate, even. And of course, not at all funny.
What does it say about papa legba when he belittles just about everyone?

Sorry buddy. You don't get it either.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 12, 2015, 01:34:52 PM
Ok, that's me for the night; thanks for the fun.

I'll drop by tomorrow, to see how your progress towards space-travel is going; after all, with NASA's funky new site, it should be even easier for you all to boldly go where no 'un-special' man has gone before...

WHOOOOOOOSH!!!!!


Up, Up, Up.......


Aaaaaaaaaand....


fail.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Lemmiwinks on May 12, 2015, 01:36:51 PM
WOW IAM AMAZED & GHANGED MY OPINIONN ABOUT SPACE YOU HAVE ALL BEEN YHERECOS  NASA NEW WEBSITTE SO SHINY & IPAD FRENDLY SHAME ON ME BAD PAPOA LEGBA BADD OMG OMG OPMG NASA!!!!!!!!!








lol.

LOLOLOL I HAZ NUTIN TO SAY THATS SMRT OR GUD SO I MAKE FUNZ OF YOU LULLLZZZ!!!!

I rest my case.

You should probably present a case before resting it.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 12, 2015, 01:59:16 PM
Hint: go to Florida, if you ask someone "Can you tell me where NASA is?" they will point you in the direction of the building. There's a valid objection, there's nit-picking, and then there's just being bloody-minded.

But if you insist: have you been to NASA's facilities yet? If not, you have no personal, unambiguous evidence for what it is like, and so your opinion on them, and what goes on there, is worthless.
Look, still works.

Also, Cape Kennedy hasn't existed for decades. It's Cape Canaveral, just so you know.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 12, 2015, 02:04:10 PM
LOL! Bedtime Gold again...

Thank you, b.j; nice to know I can rely on at least one of you maniacs for something,

Goodnight.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Lemmiwinks on May 12, 2015, 02:07:51 PM
LOL! Bedtime Gold again...

Thank you, b.j; nice to know I can rely on at least one of you maniacs for something,

Goodnight.

This says literally nothing. It refutes nothing, presents nothing and says nothing.

Its a masterpiece in Sunyata and zen thinking.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 12, 2015, 02:09:04 PM
LOL! Bedtime Gold again...

Thank you, b.j; nice to know I can rely on at least one of you maniacs for something,

Goodnight.

Sleep well. I'll wait for an answer.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Alpha2Omega on May 12, 2015, 03:05:47 PM
I know; shame on me LOL.

Yet, still, I do not want to hear anything he has to say on any subject whatsoever LOL.

Just the way he adds inappropriate & oddly-punctuated LOL.s to nigh-on every damn sentence he spams is reason enough LOL.

But if he wants to try his luck then I doubt a 'shush' from me will stop him LOL.

Cos nothing else does LOL.

LOL.

I'd be more than happy if you added me to your IGNORE listing like sceptimatic claimed to do, but strangely kept responding to my comments nonetheless.  Presumably you'll do the same?  Like moths to the flame... hmm; pure poetry.

BTW, I normally don't respond to people whose IQ matches room temperature, but in your case I'll make an exception to hopefully suggest some relief for my comments that've obviously struck a raw nerve with you.  But I'm guessing you won't be able to resist making at least one more comment after you read this.  Or will you prove me wrong?  I'm betting not.  LOL.
Have you ever been to space?

Papa himself is now pretending this line of argument was a joke all along. That's one way to try to get out of it.

Alpha2Omega; The internet would be nothing without people who pontificate on subjects they know nothing about.

After all, I just got a 20+ lulz-filled pages thread out of precisely that.

& I thank you for your valuable contributions to it.

Now get back to pontificating on the internet about people who pontificate on the internet about subjects they know nothing about.

& I'll do the same.

But with jokes.

The guy's a riot!

Dull people are threatened by jokes. You don't know what to do, do you alpha?

When you try to belittle papa legba, it sounds hollow. Desperate, even. And of course, not at all funny.

Just letting sceptimatic know that Papa himself says it was a joke all along. He was late to the party with "the question", in case you didn't notice.

Jeez, guys... why so defensive?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: markjo on May 12, 2015, 03:46:12 PM
When you try to belittle papa legba, it sounds hollow. Desperate, even. And of course, not at all funny.
What does it say about papa legba when he belittles just about everyone?
Sorry buddy. You don't get it either.
Then please explain.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 13, 2015, 12:26:43 PM
There are many different types of humour; 'satire', for example, is often used to point up lack of logic & hypocrisy in establishment viewpoints.

Whatever; I've now checked out NASA's tarted-up website & it seems just as empty & useless as ever, but now with a coating of apple-compatibility to make it even slower & clunkier.

However, I did download an app from there called 'When will YOUR space-adventure begin?'; you simply input your data, i.e. age, place of birth, national insurance number, bank account details (wait what?) etc, & it predicts exactly when you will finally get to go to space yourself.

According to it, my Date Of Ascension is: Never o'clock on Neverday the Nevernth of Never, Two thousand and Neverty-Never.

Funny thing is, I tried a few other inputs but just kept coming up with the same date whatever numbers I spammed; guess it's still a bit glitchy, eh?

Personally, when it comes to the hardcore technical side of space-travel I prefer the www.projectrho.com (http://www.projectrho.com) 'atomic rockets' site; it's far more detailed & informative, as well as being easier to navigate.

Check it out & compare it to NASA.gov; it's much more realistic.

Goodnight.

Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Lemmiwinks on May 13, 2015, 12:44:16 PM
There are many different types of humour; 'satire', for example, is often used to point up lack of logic & hypocrisy in establishment viewpoints.

Whatever; I've now checked out NASA's tarted-up website & it seems just as empty & useless as ever, but now with a coating of apple-compatibility to make it even slower & clunkier.

However, I did download an app from there called 'When will YOUR space-adventure begin?'; you simply input your data, i.e. age, place of birth, national insurance number, bank account details (wait what?) etc, & it predicts exactly when you will finally get to go to space yourself.

According to it, my Date Of Ascension is: Never o'clock on Neverday the Nevernth of Never, Two thousand and Neverty-Never.

Funny thing is, I tried a few other inputs but just kept coming up with the same date whatever numbers I spammed; guess it's still a bit glitchy, eh?

Personally, when it comes to the hardcore technical side of space-travel I prefer the  'atomic rockets' site; it's far more detailed & informative, as well as being easier to navigate.

Check it out & compare it to NASA.gov; it's much more realistic.

Goodnight.
 (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/url)

Does it annoy you that you aren't getting a rise out of anyone? Or are you one of those trolls that can wait on the slow burn?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 13, 2015, 12:56:41 PM
LOL!

Obvious time-wasting sock-puppet is obvious.

You have nothing to say, but you won't stop saying it, will you?

Just want to distract from my post & imply I'm out-numbered.

Trolling 101.

Get to your point, ok?

Oh, I forgot; you don't have one, do you?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Lemmiwinks on May 13, 2015, 01:07:23 PM
LOL!

Obvious time-wasting sock-puppet is obvious.

You have nothing to say, but you won't stop saying it, will you?

Just want to distract from my post & imply I'm out-numbered.

Trolling 101.

Get to your point, ok?

Oh, I forgot; you don't have one, do you?

Got it, one of those slow burn trolls.

I'm ok with that, you idiots usually explode spectacularly when you get ignored too much. Fun to watch, much like The Truth Seeker.

Just let me know before you are about to do it, I wanna see.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: legion on May 13, 2015, 01:16:23 PM
LOL!

Obvious time-wasting sock-puppet is obvious.

You have nothing to say, but you won't stop saying it, will you?

Just want to distract from my post & imply I'm out-numbered.

Trolling 101.

Get to your point, ok?

Oh, I forgot; you don't have one, do you?

Got it, one of those slow burn trolls.

I'm ok with that, you idiots usually explode spectacularly when you get ignored too much. Fun to watch, much like The Truth Seeker.

Just let me know before you are about to do it, I wanna see.

winky, Truth Seeker was unhinged from the start. Papa seems to be here having fun by poking the trolls. Yes, that's right. The trolls like you. Why so many of you insist on hanging around on a site you constantly troll, is beyond me. Maybe it makes you feel important.

Ridicule is the cure for that.

Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 13, 2015, 01:28:58 PM
Yes, try to link me with the nutcase Truthseeker; Trolling 101 again.

& also FAIL.

Funny how similar Lemmiwinks sounds to another poster here (& what is Lemmiwinks named after again?); the one who usually turns up after his socks have set him up to enter as the 'voice of reason'.

Remember; a sock-puppet almost always has less posts than his creator...

It is SO obvious to any net-savvy person.

& also LOL!

& FAIL!

Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on May 13, 2015, 01:38:05 PM

Just letting sceptimatic know that Papa himself says it was a joke all along. He was late to the party with "the question", in case you didn't notice.

Jeez, guys... why so defensive?
He's always defensive.  He feels like a guy who brought a knife to a gun fight.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 13, 2015, 01:43:55 PM
Wow! You'd think youse guys'd be mad I'm accusing you all of being socks...

But a neutral observer might think you're instead just trying to change the subject!

Why on earth would that be?

LOL!
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: legion on May 13, 2015, 02:08:37 PM
When you try to belittle papa legba, it sounds hollow. Desperate, even. And of course, not at all funny.
What does it say about papa legba when he belittles just about everyone?
Sorry buddy. You don't get it either.
Then please explain.

Of course. When papa legba belittles a troll (a stated and/or aggressive non-flat earther camped on this site), that is funny for those of us who are happy to consider alternative ideas for anything (including the shape of the earth).

But, when a troll attempts to belittle a flat earther, that is not funny. This is their site and that's just rude.

Does that explain it for you?

Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Rama Set on May 13, 2015, 02:16:26 PM
When you try to belittle papa legba, it sounds hollow. Desperate, even. And of course, not at all funny.
What does it say about papa legba when he belittles just about everyone?
Sorry buddy. You don't get it either.
Then please explain.

Of course. When papa legba belittles a troll (a stated and/or aggressive non-flat earther camped on this site), that is funny for those of us who are happy to consider alternative ideas for anything (including the shape of the earth).

But, when a troll attempts to belittle a flat earther, that is not funny. This is their site and that's just rude.

Does that explain it for you?
So, do you hold Papa's leash or does he hold yours?  Either way, you are a cute couple.  :-*
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: legion on May 13, 2015, 02:21:43 PM
When you try to belittle papa legba, it sounds hollow. Desperate, even. And of course, not at all funny.
What does it say about papa legba when he belittles just about everyone?
Sorry buddy. You don't get it either.
Then please explain.

Of course. When papa legba belittles a troll (a stated and/or aggressive non-flat earther camped on this site), that is funny for those of us who are happy to consider alternative ideas for anything (including the shape of the earth).

But, when a troll attempts to belittle a flat earther, that is not funny. This is their site and that's just rude.

Does that explain it for you?
So, do you hold Papa's leash or does he hold yours?  Either way, you are a cute couple.  :-*

Sounds like you're projecting.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Rama Set on May 13, 2015, 02:26:56 PM
Sounds like you're projecting.

Sounds like you don't know what couple means.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Lemmiwinks on May 13, 2015, 05:17:35 PM
LOL!

Obvious time-wasting sock-puppet is obvious.

You have nothing to say, but you won't stop saying it, will you?

Just want to distract from my post & imply I'm out-numbered.

Trolling 101.

Get to your point, ok?

Oh, I forgot; you don't have one, do you?

Got it, one of those slow burn trolls.

I'm ok with that, you idiots usually explode spectacularly when you get ignored too much. Fun to watch, much like The Truth Seeker.

Just let me know before you are about to do it, I wanna see.

winky, Truth Seeker was unhinged from the start. Papa seems to be here having fun by poking the trolls. Yes, that's right. The trolls like you. Why so many of you insist on hanging around on a site you constantly troll, is beyond me. Maybe it makes you feel important.

Ridicule is the cure for that.

Oh, is he ridiculing me? Usually when someone's level of maturity doesn't exceed a 5 year old like you and Papa I have a hard time taking anything they say serious enough to ever come close to the point of feeling ridiculed.

For you legion, I'll try really hard to take you and Papa seriously enough just once to maybe feel a little ridicule, if anything just so you two at least get a slight sense of accomplishment.

Also Rama is right, you two are a cute couple. Though I bet legion is the bitch and Papa is the butch.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: markjo on May 13, 2015, 08:42:26 PM
There are many different types of humour;
Is that what you think you're doing here?  ???
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: markjo on May 13, 2015, 08:45:03 PM
When you try to belittle papa legba, it sounds hollow. Desperate, even. And of course, not at all funny.
What does it say about papa legba when he belittles just about everyone?
Sorry buddy. You don't get it either.
Then please explain.

Of course. When papa legba belittles a troll (a stated and/or aggressive non-flat earther camped on this site), that is funny for those of us who are happy to consider alternative ideas for anything (including the shape of the earth).

But, when a troll attempts to belittle a flat earther, that is not funny. This is their site and that's just rude.

Does that explain it for you?
What about when he belittles RE'ers who are not trolls?  Or do you believe that there is no such creature?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 13, 2015, 10:14:54 PM
Again: LOL!

Has any of the above blah, yawn & suspiciously-similarly-written fail got any of you one single iota closer to going to space?

I say NO.

&, if you have not been to space, then YOU HAVE NO DIRECT, UNAMBIGUOUS EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE FOR WHAT IT'S LIKE.

SO YOUR WORD ON THE SUBJECT IS WORTHLESS.


What? Did you think you'd gotten me off the point? LOL!

&, as ever, Fail...

No; I just took time off for a bit of Stick-application, before returning to the operant conditioning mantra.

Btw; did any of you check out the www.projectrho.com (http://www.projectrho.com) 'atomic rockets' site? Much better than NASA.gov isn't it?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: abaaaabbbb63 on May 13, 2015, 10:34:09 PM
YOU HAVE NO DIRECT, UNAMBIGUOUS EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE FOR WHAT IT'S LIKE.

SO YOUR WORD ON THE SUBJECT IS WORTHLESS.



Well then, your word is worthless too.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: sceptimatic on May 14, 2015, 01:00:34 AM
Mikeman.nasa.gov: NASA plans a lot of things; then thinks 'Nah; screw them geeks!' & spends your tax-money on hookers, blow & cheesy s.f.x.
Wolf of wall street springs to mind when I think of those bastards taking the utter piss out of gullible people who should know better.

The most annoying part must be for those of us who are switched on and can see the lying bastard actors for what they are and yet can't do anything about the trickles of money being drained from our accounts to cater for the knees up.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Mainframes on May 14, 2015, 04:49:55 AM
Mikeman.nasa.gov: NASA plans a lot of things; then thinks 'Nah; screw them geeks!' & spends your tax-money on hookers, blow & cheesy s.f.x.
Wolf of wall street springs to mind when I think of those bastards taking the utter piss out of gullible people who should know better.

The most annoying part must be for those of us who are switched on and can see the lying bastard actors for what they are and yet can't do anything about the trickles of money being drained from our accounts to cater for the knees up.

Any actual basis for your accusation that NASA are siphoning money to pay for entertainment.....?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: sceptimatic on May 14, 2015, 04:53:16 AM
Mikeman.nasa.gov: NASA plans a lot of things; then thinks 'Nah; screw them geeks!' & spends your tax-money on hookers, blow & cheesy s.f.x.
Wolf of wall street springs to mind when I think of those bastards taking the utter piss out of gullible people who should know better.

The most annoying part must be for those of us who are switched on and can see the lying bastard actors for what they are and yet can't do anything about the trickles of money being drained from our accounts to cater for the knees up.

Any actual basis for your accusation that NASA are siphoning money to pay for entertainment.....?
What's it to you?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 14, 2015, 06:12:35 AM
So have you been to Cape Canaveral yet?

If you have not been to the Cape and to the rocket launch sites there, then YOU HAVE NO DIRECT, UNAMBIGUOUS EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE FOR WHAT THEY ARE LIKE.

SO YOUR WORD ON THE SUBJECT IS WORTHLESS.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: sceptimatic on May 14, 2015, 06:29:35 AM
So have you been to Cape Canaveral yet?

If you have not been to the Cape and to the rocket launch sites there, then YOU HAVE NO DIRECT, UNAMBIGUOUS EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE FOR WHAT THEY ARE LIKE.

SO YOUR WORD ON THE SUBJECT IS WORTHLESS.
It could well be but then again, he's not making out he's an expert on it all. You people are making out that you lot are when none of you have any direct evidence of genuine space travel of rockets or any other man made object, except to merely say that you have.

None of you have been to space. None of you have been to space, which means you do not have any expertise on it, at all, because none of you have been to space.

If you haven't been to Australia or any other named place you mention to counteract this; the same applies. If you haven't been to Australia or any other place...or space, then you are not an expert on it and cannot ever claim to be an expert until you frequent any of those places to marry up what you've read in text books or been told about - plus pictures and video.

In your favour, you have a much better chance of gaining the knowledge of Australia and other places due to the fact that you can choose to go to those places...assuming you're entitled to and are not banned from doing so due to criminal convictions.

Space is your biggest problem for a few reasons.
1. Merely going to see a launch at close range is a no no.

2. Getting your name down to be an astronaut is about as odds worthy or winning the lottery without actually buying a ticket.

Basically, your expertise is whittled down to telling people to look up in the sky for glowing dots or watch TV.

Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Scroto Gaggins on May 14, 2015, 06:51:09 AM
So have you been to Cape Canaveral yet?

If you have not been to the Cape and to the rocket launch sites there, then YOU HAVE NO DIRECT, UNAMBIGUOUS EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE FOR WHAT THEY ARE LIKE.

SO YOUR WORD ON THE SUBJECT IS WORTHLESS.
It could well be but then again, he's not making out he's an expert on it all. You people are making out that you lot are when none of you have any direct evidence of genuine space travel of rockets or any other man made object, except to merely say that you have.

None of you have been to space. None of you have been to space, which means you do not have any expertise on it, at all, because none of you have been to space.

If you haven't been to Australia or any other named place you mention to counteract this; the same applies. If you haven't been to Australia or any other place...or space, then you are not an expert on it and cannot ever claim to be an expert until you frequent any of those places to marry up what you've read in text books or been told about - plus pictures and video.

In your favour, you have a much better chance of gaining the knowledge of Australia and other places due to the fact that you can choose to go to those places...assuming you're entitled to and are not banned from doing so due to criminal convictions.

Space is your biggest problem for a few reasons.
1. Merely going to see a launch at close range is a no no.

2. Getting your name down to be an astronaut is about as odds worthy or winning the lottery without actually buying a ticket.

Basically, your expertise is whittled down to telling people to look up in the sky for glowing dots or watch TV.
Is it possible to apply any previous knowledge to something you have not actually experienced?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 14, 2015, 07:02:50 AM
So, you're saying:



Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: sceptimatic on May 14, 2015, 07:04:40 AM
So have you been to Cape Canaveral yet?

If you have not been to the Cape and to the rocket launch sites there, then YOU HAVE NO DIRECT, UNAMBIGUOUS EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE FOR WHAT THEY ARE LIKE.

SO YOUR WORD ON THE SUBJECT IS WORTHLESS.
It could well be but then again, he's not making out he's an expert on it all. You people are making out that you lot are when none of you have any direct evidence of genuine space travel of rockets or any other man made object, except to merely say that you have.

None of you have been to space. None of you have been to space, which means you do not have any expertise on it, at all, because none of you have been to space.

If you haven't been to Australia or any other named place you mention to counteract this; the same applies. If you haven't been to Australia or any other place...or space, then you are not an expert on it and cannot ever claim to be an expert until you frequent any of those places to marry up what you've read in text books or been told about - plus pictures and video.

In your favour, you have a much better chance of gaining the knowledge of Australia and other places due to the fact that you can choose to go to those places...assuming you're entitled to and are not banned from doing so due to criminal convictions.

Space is your biggest problem for a few reasons.
1. Merely going to see a launch at close range is a no no.

2. Getting your name down to be an astronaut is about as odds worthy or winning the lottery without actually buying a ticket.

Basically, your expertise is whittled down to telling people to look up in the sky for glowing dots or watch TV.
Is it possible to apply any previous knowledge to something you have not actually experienced?
The only knowledge you can have for something you haven't experienced is the reliance on a person or person's you entrust in channelling that experience to you based on them telling you about their personal physical experience.
This does not make you an expert, nor does it make anything true in any way, shape or form. Everything is based on trust and trust is worthless if the people you trust turn out to be story telling fantasy merchants, but to you; plausible one's.

That makes you at best, trusting, as well as absorbing the knowledge based on that trust, of which you channelled towards other people who equally trusted in you...or...it makes you very naive/gullible.

None of those things make you a bad person and none of those things make you guilty of passing on dud info, with intent to decieve. It just means that info can be passed from pillar to post - from land mass to land mass to people who are just like you, who trust unconditionally and are willing to pass it on.

The worst that can happen is, people walk about believing in fantasies as truth's and truth's as fantasies. It becomes fragmented.

The situation still stands though. Nobody has been to space on this forum, except Rama set and he/she is not willing to talk about it, so can't put his/her expertise forward for you and other's to dissect as being a truth or a fantasy.

If nobody has any expertise about space, then the pockets full of equations and what not pertaining to it can be used to light a fire, because it's only worth that and has no bearing on reality, at all...ever.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: sceptimatic on May 14, 2015, 07:11:07 AM
So, you're saying:

  • The only way to know it's possible to get somewhere is to be an expert on that somewhere
  • The only way to gain knowledge about something is to personally experience it
You don't have to be an expert to get somewhere. You can walk in the countryside...somewhere you've never been. No expertise needed.
However, if people ask about that place due to them having been there and you give them info which they recall, then you can say that you have some knowledge of it.
In time if you explore it, you can claim to be an expert on it compared to people who's never been, who you can confidently show around.

You can't do this with space and are reliant on peopl;e telling you about it. Your trust is put into those people to tell you space stories as if they are experts.
It doesn't make you an expert until you can show people that what you learned, is physically true, otherwise you're storytelling.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: markjo on May 14, 2015, 07:44:40 AM
You can't do this with space and are reliant on peopl;e telling you about it. Your trust is put into those people to tell you space stories as if they are experts.
It doesn't make you an expert until you can show people that what you learned, is physically true, otherwise you're storytelling.
Who here has ever claimed to be an expert on space?  ???
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: sceptimatic on May 14, 2015, 08:02:05 AM
You can't do this with space and are reliant on peopl;e telling you about it. Your trust is put into those people to tell you space stories as if they are experts.
It doesn't make you an expert until you can show people that what you learned, is physically true, otherwise you're storytelling.
Who here has ever claimed to be an expert on space?  ???
You all appear to know all about space. If you don't, then why the hell are you people answering questions about space as if you are experts?

If it's because you naively believe what you are told, then fair enough.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: sokarul on May 14, 2015, 09:23:10 AM
So, you're saying:

  • The only way to know it's possible to get somewhere is to be an expert on that somewhere
  • The only way to gain knowledge about something is to personally experience it
You don't have to be an expert to get somewhere. You can walk in the countryside...somewhere you've never been. No expertise needed.
However, if people ask about that place due to them having been there and you give them info which they recall, then you can say that you have some knowledge of it.
In time if you explore it, you can claim to be an expert on it compared to people who's never been, who you can confidently show around.

You can't do this with space and are reliant on peopl;e telling you about it. Your trust is put into those people to tell you space stories as if they are experts.
It doesn't make you an expert until you can show people that what you learned, is physically true, otherwise you're storytelling.
Funny, you have no problem spouting shit like it's a fact.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: mikeman7918 on May 14, 2015, 09:28:34 AM
You can't do this with space and are reliant on peopl;e telling you about it. Your trust is put into those people to tell you space stories as if they are experts.
It doesn't make you an expert until you can show people that what you learned, is physically true, otherwise you're storytelling.
Who here has ever claimed to be an expert on space?  ???
You all appear to know all about space. If you don't, then why the hell are you people answering questions about space as if you are experts?

If it's because you naively believe what you are told, then fair enough.

Compared to you, a 5 year old kid is an expert at space travel.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Doglover on May 14, 2015, 09:31:07 AM
You can't do this with space and are reliant on peopl;e telling you about it. Your trust is put into those people to tell you space stories as if they are experts.
It doesn't make you an expert until you can show people that what you learned, is physically true, otherwise you're storytelling.
Who here has ever claimed to be an expert on space?  ???
You all appear to know all about space. If you don't, then why the hell are you people answering questions about space as if you are experts?

If it's because you naively believe what you are told, then fair enough.

I don't need to have studied with Julia Child to know how to make a ham sandwich. I don't need to be a brain Doctor to know what a stroke is and how it can affect someone. I could go on.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: sceptimatic on May 14, 2015, 09:32:28 AM
So, you're saying:

  • The only way to know it's possible to get somewhere is to be an expert on that somewhere
  • The only way to gain knowledge about something is to personally experience it
You don't have to be an expert to get somewhere. You can walk in the countryside...somewhere you've never been. No expertise needed.
However, if people ask about that place due to them having been there and you give them info which they recall, then you can say that you have some knowledge of it.
In time if you explore it, you can claim to be an expert on it compared to people who's never been, who you can confidently show around.

You can't do this with space and are reliant on peopl;e telling you about it. Your trust is put into those people to tell you space stories as if they are experts.
It doesn't make you an expert until you can show people that what you learned, is physically true, otherwise you're storytelling.
Funny, you have no problem spouting shit like it's a fact.
I'm entitled to against the likes of you, kid. I've allowed you to debate with me a few times so be thankful for that.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Rama Set on May 14, 2015, 09:34:24 AM
Unthought you were deleting your posts?  Change of heart?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: sceptimatic on May 14, 2015, 09:35:05 AM
You can't do this with space and are reliant on peopl;e telling you about it. Your trust is put into those people to tell you space stories as if they are experts.
It doesn't make you an expert until you can show people that what you learned, is physically true, otherwise you're storytelling.
Who here has ever claimed to be an expert on space?  ???
You all appear to know all about space. If you don't, then why the hell are you people answering questions about space as if you are experts?

If it's because you naively believe what you are told, then fair enough.

Compared to you, a 5 year old kid is an expert at space travel.
A one year old is. The reason is because there is no space travel. Now do you see what the issue is, backward boy?

There are no experts except for dipshit's like yourself who sit there and claim it's all real and even have figures all calculated for it. Hahahahaha. What a numpty. ;D
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: sceptimatic on May 14, 2015, 09:36:19 AM
Unthought you were deleting your posts?  Change of heart?
You unthought wrong, rimmerset.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: markjo on May 14, 2015, 09:49:22 AM
You can't do this with space and are reliant on peopl;e telling you about it. Your trust is put into those people to tell you space stories as if they are experts.
It doesn't make you an expert until you can show people that what you learned, is physically true, otherwise you're storytelling.
Who here has ever claimed to be an expert on space?  ???
You all appear to know all about space. If you don't, then why the hell are you people answering questions about space as if you are experts?

If it's because you naively believe what you are told, then fair enough.
No, it isn't naivety, it's called research.  One of the funny things about space travel is that you don't need to personally go to space in order to figure out if it's possible or not.  Some of us have actually taken lab physics courses where we personally tested some of the fundamental principles that can be applied to space flight and have found that NASA's claims seem to be consistent with what we have personally experienced. 
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: mikeman7918 on May 14, 2015, 10:04:57 AM
You can't do this with space and are reliant on peopl;e telling you about it. Your trust is put into those people to tell you space stories as if they are experts.
It doesn't make you an expert until you can show people that what you learned, is physically true, otherwise you're storytelling.
Who here has ever claimed to be an expert on space?  ???
You all appear to know all about space. If you don't, then why the hell are you people answering questions about space as if you are experts?

If it's because you naively believe what you are told, then fair enough.

Compared to you, a 5 year old kid is an expert at space travel.
A one year old is. The reason is because there is no space travel. Now do you see what the issue is, backward boy?

There are no experts except for dipshit's like yourself who sit there and claim it's all real and even have figures all calculated for it. Hahahahaha. What a numpty. ;D

It's one thing to not believe in space travel but another to not believe in space travel without knowing the first thing about it.  I don't just claim to have calculated out figures for soace travel, I have personally made a basic 2D program which simulates orbital mechanics given Newtonian laws of motion and gravity and I actually plan to work in the aerospace industry.  Your knowlage about space travel is based entirely on the parts of your physics class you didn't sleep through and your assumptions.  Who among us do you think is better qualified to talk about space travel?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: sceptimatic on May 14, 2015, 10:13:07 AM
You can't do this with space and are reliant on peopl;e telling you about it. Your trust is put into those people to tell you space stories as if they are experts.
It doesn't make you an expert until you can show people that what you learned, is physically true, otherwise you're storytelling.
Who here has ever claimed to be an expert on space?  ???
You all appear to know all about space. If you don't, then why the hell are you people answering questions about space as if you are experts?

If it's because you naively believe what you are told, then fair enough.
No, it isn't naivety, it's called research.  One of the funny things about space travel is that you don't need to personally go to space in order to figure out if it's possible or not.  Some of us have actually taken lab physics courses where we personally tested some of the fundamental principles that can be applied to space flight and have found that NASA's claims seem to be consistent with what we have personally experienced.
I bet physics can be helpful in determining how to sharpen a unicorn's horn without damaging it. What do you think?

That's basically what you are implying and you can't see how stupid it sounds.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: sceptimatic on May 14, 2015, 10:16:12 AM
You can't do this with space and are reliant on peopl;e telling you about it. Your trust is put into those people to tell you space stories as if they are experts.
It doesn't make you an expert until you can show people that what you learned, is physically true, otherwise you're storytelling.
Who here has ever claimed to be an expert on space?  ???
You all appear to know all about space. If you don't, then why the hell are you people answering questions about space as if you are experts?

If it's because you naively believe what you are told, then fair enough.

Compared to you, a 5 year old kid is an expert at space travel.
A one year old is. The reason is because there is no space travel. Now do you see what the issue is, backward boy?

There are no experts except for dipshit's like yourself who sit there and claim it's all real and even have figures all calculated for it. Hahahahaha. What a numpty. ;D

It's one thing to not believe in space travel but another to not believe in space travel without knowing the first thing about it.  I don't just claim to have calculated out figures for soace travel, I have personally made a basic 2D program which simulates orbital mechanics given Newtonian laws of motion and gravity and I actually plan to work in the aerospace industry.  Your knowlage about space travel is based entirely on the parts of your physics class you didn't sleep through and your assumptions.  Who among us do you think is better qualified to talk about space travel?
You made a 2d space thing on your computer and that solves space....right?
What a frigging numpty git you are.

It's like me saying I've played space invaders and I'm now a stand by space fighter pilot.
The silliness is sickeningly hilarious. ;D
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 14, 2015, 10:35:57 AM
Oho!

I see the space-expertise that none of you claimed to possess  is slowly but surely creeping back into this thread - what with computer modelling, 'lab physics courses' (lol wut?) etc.

Really, you are all such shocking liars; it is utterly shameful.

Good thing most of 'you' are just poorly-handled sock-puppets then, isn't it?

Cos that's not shameful; it is just LOL.

&, inevitably, FAIL.

Now carry on with the Punch & Judy show, space-suckers...

P.S. Have any of you looked at www.projectrho.com (http://www.projectrho.com) 'atomic rockets' yet? Cos it's more believable than nasa.gov. imo.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: mikeman7918 on May 14, 2015, 11:03:27 AM
You can't do this with space and are reliant on peopl;e telling you about it. Your trust is put into those people to tell you space stories as if they are experts.
It doesn't make you an expert until you can show people that what you learned, is physically true, otherwise you're storytelling.
Who here has ever claimed to be an expert on space?  ???
You all appear to know all about space. If you don't, then why the hell are you people answering questions about space as if you are experts?

If it's because you naively believe what you are told, then fair enough.

Compared to you, a 5 year old kid is an expert at space travel.
A one year old is. The reason is because there is no space travel. Now do you see what the issue is, backward boy?

There are no experts except for dipshit's like yourself who sit there and claim it's all real and even have figures all calculated for it. Hahahahaha. What a numpty. ;D

It's one thing to not believe in space travel but another to not believe in space travel without knowing the first thing about it.  I don't just claim to have calculated out figures for soace travel, I have personally made a basic 2D program which simulates orbital mechanics given Newtonian laws of motion and gravity and I actually plan to work in the aerospace industry.  Your knowlage about space travel is based entirely on the parts of your physics class you didn't sleep through and your assumptions.  Who among us do you think is better qualified to talk about space travel?
You made a 2d space thing on your computer and that solves space....right?
What a frigging numpty git you are.

It's like me saying I've played space invaders and I'm now a stand by space fighter pilot.
The silliness is sickeningly hilarious. ;D

You are aware that creating a game and playing a game are nothing alike right?  I understand space travel well enough to program a computer to simulate it, which does require quite a lot of mathematics.  It's not just a matter of inputting the laws of physics copy-pasted from Wikipedia, I had to actually mathematically discribe each law I wanted to be simulated which was all laws of motion and gravity (thrust vectors on the space craft were a pain to program) and as a result it simulated Kepler's laws of planetary motion.  If you think it's so easy then you can try and do it yourself.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: sceptimatic on May 14, 2015, 11:17:34 AM
You can't do this with space and are reliant on peopl;e telling you about it. Your trust is put into those people to tell you space stories as if they are experts.
It doesn't make you an expert until you can show people that what you learned, is physically true, otherwise you're storytelling.
Who here has ever claimed to be an expert on space?  ???
You all appear to know all about space. If you don't, then why the hell are you people answering questions about space as if you are experts?

If it's because you naively believe what you are told, then fair enough.

Compared to you, a 5 year old kid is an expert at space travel.
A one year old is. The reason is because there is no space travel. Now do you see what the issue is, backward boy?

There are no experts except for dipshit's like yourself who sit there and claim it's all real and even have figures all calculated for it. Hahahahaha. What a numpty. ;D

It's one thing to not believe in space travel but another to not believe in space travel without knowing the first thing about it.  I don't just claim to have calculated out figures for soace travel, I have personally made a basic 2D program which simulates orbital mechanics given Newtonian laws of motion and gravity and I actually plan to work in the aerospace industry.  Your knowlage about space travel is based entirely on the parts of your physics class you didn't sleep through and your assumptions.  Who among us do you think is better qualified to talk about space travel?
You made a 2d space thing on your computer and that solves space....right?
What a frigging numpty git you are.

It's like me saying I've played space invaders and I'm now a stand by space fighter pilot.
The silliness is sickeningly hilarious. ;D

You are aware that creating a game and playing a game are nothing alike right?  I understand space travel well enough to program a computer to simulate it, which does require quite a lot of mathematics.  It's not just a matter of inputting the laws of physics copy-pasted from Wikipedia, I had to actually mathematically discribe each law I wanted to be simulated which was all laws of motion and gravity (thrust vectors on the space craft were a pain to program) and as a result it simulated Kepler's laws of planetary motion.  If you think it's so easy then you can try and do it yourself.
Tonight when it's dark; go outside and look up at the night sky; hopefully cloud free for your vision.
Ok, you are now looking at a dark sky with dots of light.
Ok, now bring your note pad and pen and start mapping out your space program.

Without the aid of any books or science, I want you to explain in basic words how you come to calculate everything needed to do what you claim to have done.

I'll allow you some basic tools if you require them.

Or, you can save yourself a lot of time and accept that you are talking out of your arse and are totally reliant on the bullshit you read in space science books, also known as sci-fi books.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: mikeman7918 on May 14, 2015, 11:28:01 AM
You can't do this with space and are reliant on peopl;e telling you about it. Your trust is put into those people to tell you space stories as if they are experts.
It doesn't make you an expert until you can show people that what you learned, is physically true, otherwise you're storytelling.
Who here has ever claimed to be an expert on space?  ???
You all appear to know all about space. If you don't, then why the hell are you people answering questions about space as if you are experts?

If it's because you naively believe what you are told, then fair enough.

Compared to you, a 5 year old kid is an expert at space travel.
A one year old is. The reason is because there is no space travel. Now do you see what the issue is, backward boy?

There are no experts except for dipshit's like yourself who sit there and claim it's all real and even have figures all calculated for it. Hahahahaha. What a numpty. ;D

It's one thing to not believe in space travel but another to not believe in space travel without knowing the first thing about it.  I don't just claim to have calculated out figures for soace travel, I have personally made a basic 2D program which simulates orbital mechanics given Newtonian laws of motion and gravity and I actually plan to work in the aerospace industry.  Your knowlage about space travel is based entirely on the parts of your physics class you didn't sleep through and your assumptions.  Who among us do you think is better qualified to talk about space travel?
You made a 2d space thing on your computer and that solves space....right?
What a frigging numpty git you are.

It's like me saying I've played space invaders and I'm now a stand by space fighter pilot.
The silliness is sickeningly hilarious. ;D

You are aware that creating a game and playing a game are nothing alike right?  I understand space travel well enough to program a computer to simulate it, which does require quite a lot of mathematics.  It's not just a matter of inputting the laws of physics copy-pasted from Wikipedia, I had to actually mathematically discribe each law I wanted to be simulated which was all laws of motion and gravity (thrust vectors on the space craft were a pain to program) and as a result it simulated Kepler's laws of planetary motion.  If you think it's so easy then you can try and do it yourself.
Tonight when it's dark; go outside and look up at the night sky; hopefully cloud free for your vision.
Ok, you are now looking at a dark sky with dots of light.
Ok, now bring your note pad and pen and start mapping out your space program.

Without the aid of any books or science, I want you to explain in basic words how you come to calculate everything needed to do what you claim to have done.

I'll allow you some basic tools if you require them.

Or, you can save yourself a lot of time and accept that you are talking out of your arse and are totally reliant on the bullshit you read in space science books, also known as sci-fi books.

Based on the way the stars move and their constant angular distance I would have to deduce that the Earth is round and if I look at the ISS with my telescope it looks like a station.  Also all the planets follow Kepler's laws of planetary motion and satellites move so fast that I would have to deduce that they are in orbit.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: sceptimatic on May 14, 2015, 11:33:24 AM
You can't do this with space and are reliant on peopl;e telling you about it. Your trust is put into those people to tell you space stories as if they are experts.
It doesn't make you an expert until you can show people that what you learned, is physically true, otherwise you're storytelling.
Who here has ever claimed to be an expert on space?  ???
You all appear to know all about space. If you don't, then why the hell are you people answering questions about space as if you are experts?

If it's because you naively believe what you are told, then fair enough.

Compared to you, a 5 year old kid is an expert at space travel.
A one year old is. The reason is because there is no space travel. Now do you see what the issue is, backward boy?

There are no experts except for dipshit's like yourself who sit there and claim it's all real and even have figures all calculated for it. Hahahahaha. What a numpty. ;D

It's one thing to not believe in space travel but another to not believe in space travel without knowing the first thing about it.  I don't just claim to have calculated out figures for soace travel, I have personally made a basic 2D program which simulates orbital mechanics given Newtonian laws of motion and gravity and I actually plan to work in the aerospace industry.  Your knowlage about space travel is based entirely on the parts of your physics class you didn't sleep through and your assumptions.  Who among us do you think is better qualified to talk about space travel?
You made a 2d space thing on your computer and that solves space....right?
What a frigging numpty git you are.

It's like me saying I've played space invaders and I'm now a stand by space fighter pilot.
The silliness is sickeningly hilarious. ;D

You are aware that creating a game and playing a game are nothing alike right?  I understand space travel well enough to program a computer to simulate it, which does require quite a lot of mathematics.  It's not just a matter of inputting the laws of physics copy-pasted from Wikipedia, I had to actually mathematically discribe each law I wanted to be simulated which was all laws of motion and gravity (thrust vectors on the space craft were a pain to program) and as a result it simulated Kepler's laws of planetary motion.  If you think it's so easy then you can try and do it yourself.
Tonight when it's dark; go outside and look up at the night sky; hopefully cloud free for your vision.
Ok, you are now looking at a dark sky with dots of light.
Ok, now bring your note pad and pen and start mapping out your space program.

Without the aid of any books or science, I want you to explain in basic words how you come to calculate everything needed to do what you claim to have done.

I'll allow you some basic tools if you require them.

Or, you can save yourself a lot of time and accept that you are talking out of your arse and are totally reliant on the bullshit you read in space science books, also known as sci-fi books.

Based on the way the stars move and their constant angular distance I would have to deduce that the Earth is round and if I look at the ISS with my telescope it looks like a station.  Also all the planets follow Kepler's laws of planetary motion and satellites move so fast that I would have to deduce that they are in orbit.
I'm all ears, I'm all ears. Or should I say, I'm all eyes.

Ok, so tell me about your rocket and fuel and stuff for your space.

I still need to know how you figure out the space stuff, as in how you determine where space begins and the exact speed of your Earth for your space ship to do all it's stuff.

Come on, out with it because there's not a lot to go on from what I see and your rocket and space are looking like a scribble on your school book.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: markjo on May 14, 2015, 11:33:56 AM
You can't do this with space and are reliant on peopl;e telling you about it. Your trust is put into those people to tell you space stories as if they are experts.
It doesn't make you an expert until you can show people that what you learned, is physically true, otherwise you're storytelling.
Who here has ever claimed to be an expert on space?  ???
You all appear to know all about space. If you don't, then why the hell are you people answering questions about space as if you are experts?

If it's because you naively believe what you are told, then fair enough.
No, it isn't naivety, it's called research.  One of the funny things about space travel is that you don't need to personally go to space in order to figure out if it's possible or not.  Some of us have actually taken lab physics courses where we personally tested some of the fundamental principles that can be applied to space flight and have found that NASA's claims seem to be consistent with what we have personally experienced.
I bet physics can be helpful in determining how to sharpen a unicorn's horn without damaging it. What do you think?

That's basically what you are implying and you can't see how stupid it sounds.
Is that any more stupid that claiming that hydrogen and helium can freeze into a giant dome covering the earth?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: sceptimatic on May 14, 2015, 11:38:22 AM
You can't do this with space and are reliant on peopl;e telling you about it. Your trust is put into those people to tell you space stories as if they are experts.
It doesn't make you an expert until you can show people that what you learned, is physically true, otherwise you're storytelling.
Who here has ever claimed to be an expert on space?  ???
You all appear to know all about space. If you don't, then why the hell are you people answering questions about space as if you are experts?

If it's because you naively believe what you are told, then fair enough.
No, it isn't naivety, it's called research.  One of the funny things about space travel is that you don't need to personally go to space in order to figure out if it's possible or not.  Some of us have actually taken lab physics courses where we personally tested some of the fundamental principles that can be applied to space flight and have found that NASA's claims seem to be consistent with what we have personally experienced.
I bet physics can be helpful in determining how to sharpen a unicorn's horn without damaging it. What do you think?

That's basically what you are implying and you can't see how stupid it sounds.
Is that any more stupid that claiming that hydrogen and helium can freeze into a giant dome covering the earth?
Far from stupid. You can see what happens in a bell jar. You just can't or refuse to understand it.
Your busy mind believing in a spinning ball in a vacuum has warped it to such an extent that you are probably beyond help or too ashamed to dare to deviate from it, because mainstream science is your comfort blanket.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: mikeman7918 on May 14, 2015, 11:58:07 AM
I'm all ears, I'm all ears. Or should I say, I'm all eyes.

Ok, so tell me about your rocket and fuel and stuff for your space.

I still need to know how you figure out the space stuff, as in how you determine where space begins and the exact speed of your Earth for your space ship to do all it's stuff.

Come on, out with it because there's not a lot to go on from what I see and your rocket and space are looking like a scribble on your school book.

The edge of space is actually a political border, flying a plane in enemy airspace could be considered an act of war while flying a spaceship over enemy territory often cannot be avoided because if the nature if space travel.  In reality the atmosphere fades away gradually like a gradient, it's not a distinct border.  The International Space Station is actually slightly in the atmosphere which is why it has to boost it's self sometimes to stay in orbit.

One thing you red to know about velocity is that it's not absolute, it's relative.  If you are in a car going 80 miles per hour on the freeway it would be just as correct to say that you and the car are stationary while the Earth is moving past you at 80 miles per hour.  Frames of reference commonly used in soace travel are the Earth and the Sun.  When dealing with soace crafts orbiting Earth you can just use the Earth as a frame of reference and so Earth is stationary, but if you are doing interplanetary travel and using the Sun as a frame of reference the Earth is moving at 30 kilometers per second.  A space craft usually figures out it's position by finding 2 celestial bodies and a star and then using that to triangulate it's position and if it does that twice it can determine it's velocity.

As for the mathematics involved, Scott Manley can explain it a lot better then I can:
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Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 14, 2015, 12:37:12 PM
YET AGAIN, I'M NOTICING A LOT OF SPACE EXPERTISE HERE!!!

BUT, HAVE ANY OF YOU GALOOTS ACTUALLY BEEN THERE?

NO, YOU HAVE NOT.

SO KNOCK IT OFF, OKAY?

COS IF YOU HAVE NOT BEEN TO SPACE THEN YOUR WORD ON THE SUBJECT IS WORTHLESS.

Constant repetition of Hearsay Evidence does not constitute Proof, no matter how much you Wish it so.

Try it in a courtroom & see how far it gets you...
 
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: legion on May 14, 2015, 12:50:55 PM
One thing you red to know about velocity is that it's not absolute, it's relative.  If you are in a car going 80 miles per hour on the freeway it would be just as correct to say that you and the car are stationary while the Earth is moving past you at 80 miles per hour. 

Do you have any idea how retarded the garbage you spew is?

Father and son travelling down a road in the family car


son_of_mikeman: How fast are we going, dad?

mikeman: Son, we aren't actually moving. It's the earth that is moving. We are stationary.

son_of_mikeman: What about the cars going in the opposite direction, dad? Does the earth move in both directions at once? Or if four cars set off in four different directions, the earth would be moving in the opposite direction to each of them, whilst they remain at rest. Dad, are you a retard?

mikeman: I'm not sure son. I'll have to go on wikipedia.


Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: mikeman7918 on May 14, 2015, 12:58:35 PM
COS IF YOU HAVE NOT BEEN TO SPACE THEN YOUR WORD ON THE SUBJECT IS WORTHLESS.

Under that logic a marine biologist knows nothing about marine biology until they have personally seen the bottom of the ocean in a sub even if they study samples on the surface, A soldier can't know anything about combat until they have been in a battle even though they have been through boot camp, a historian can't know anything about Egypt until they have visited it even though they study it, and a doctor can't know anything about cancer until they have it even though they went to medical school.  Do you seriously not see the flaws in that logic?

Try it in a courtroom & see how far it gets you...

The word of a doctor on medical things, the word of a historian on history, the word of a marine biologist on the ocean, and the word of a soldier on combat are are things that a court would accept.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: mikeman7918 on May 14, 2015, 01:06:21 PM
One thing you red to know about velocity is that it's not absolute, it's relative.  If you are in a car going 80 miles per hour on the freeway it would be just as correct to say that you and the car are stationary while the Earth is moving past you at 80 miles per hour. 

Do you have any idea how retarded the garbage you spew is?

Father and son travelling down a road in the family car


son_of_mikeman: How fast are we going, dad?

mikeman: Son, we aren't actually moving. It's the earth that is moving. We are stationary.

son_of_mikeman: What about the cars going in the opposite direction, dad? Does the earth move in both directions at once? Or if four cars set off in four different directions, the earth would be moving in the opposite direction to each of them, whilst they remain at rest. Dad, are you a retard?

mikeman: I'm not sure son. I'll have to go on wikipedia.

Saying that the Earth is moving and the car is stationary is not as useful for practical purposes, so here is another example:

Say you are in a moving car and you take an object and throw it backwards.  That ball would still be moving forward relative to the Earth but someone else in the car would say that the object was clearly moving backwards.  In fact, if you were in a car moving in a strait line at a constant speed with no windows or speedometer (and somehow don't crash it) there would be no experiment you could do that would tell you that you are moving.  This is one of the most basic principals in physics, how much of your physics class did you sleep through?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 14, 2015, 01:09:37 PM
mikeman: Yup; legion got it right.

You are a total retard & made of Fail.

Let's hope you never have to appear as a Defendant in any court that accepts YOUR definition of what constitutes a reliable witness, as well as conclusive evidence for absolute proof...

No, actually; let's DO!

LOL!

&, as ever, FAIL!
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Lemmiwinks on May 14, 2015, 01:11:03 PM
mikeman: Yup; legion got it right.

You are a total retard & made of Fail.

Let's hope you never have to appear as a Defendant in any court that accepts YOUR definition of what constitutes a reliable witness, as well as conclusive evidence for absolute proof...

No, actually; let's DO!

LOL!

&, as ever, FAIL!

Mike, this guy is a troll. No need to engage him.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 14, 2015, 01:17:46 PM
Sock-puppet FAIL!

& you call me a troll?

LOL!
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: legion on May 14, 2015, 01:18:26 PM
One thing you red to know about velocity is that it's not absolute, it's relative.  If you are in a car going 80 miles per hour on the freeway it would be just as correct to say that you and the car are stationary while the Earth is moving past you at 80 miles per hour. 

Do you have any idea how retarded the garbage you spew is?

Father and son travelling down a road in the family car


son_of_mikeman: How fast are we going, dad?

mikeman: Son, we aren't actually moving. It's the earth that is moving. We are stationary.

son_of_mikeman: What about the cars going in the opposite direction, dad? Does the earth move in both directions at once? Or if four cars set off in four different directions, the earth would be moving in the opposite direction to each of them, whilst they remain at rest. Dad, are you a retard?

mikeman: I'm not sure son. I'll have to go on wikipedia.

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Saying that the Earth is moving and the car is stationary is not as useful for practical purposes, so here is another example:

In other words, you were wrong. Say it. It will make you look like less of an idiot.

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Say you are in a moving car and you take an object and throw it backwards.  That ball would still be moving forward relative to the Earth but someone else in the car would say that the object was clearly moving backwards.


How do you know that? How would it be measured?

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In fact, if you were in a car moving in a strait straight line at a constant speed with no windows or speedometer (and somehow don't crash it) there would be no experiment you could do that would tell you that you are moving.  This is one of the most basic principals principles in physics, how much of your physics class did you sleep through?

Yes, that's because you have formed a closed system. One can't determine movement unless one can perceive movement in relation to something else. That's not the same as the error you made earlier though, is it?


Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: mikeman7918 on May 14, 2015, 01:19:14 PM
mikeman: Yup; legion got it right.

You are a total retard & made of Fail.

Let's hope you never have to appear as a Defendant in any court that accepts YOUR definition of what constitutes a reliable witness, as well as conclusive evidence for absolute proof...

No, actually; let's DO!

LOL!

&, as ever, FAIL!

I am seriously considering starting a thread where we will decide weather space travel is real the way a court does it.  The problem is finding an impartial jury, I might just have to use flat earthers as the jury to give them a fighting chance.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: legion on May 14, 2015, 01:24:04 PM
mikeman: Yup; legion got it right.

You are a total retard & made of Fail.

Let's hope you never have to appear as a Defendant in any court that accepts YOUR definition of what constitutes a reliable witness, as well as conclusive evidence for absolute proof...

No, actually; let's DO!

LOL!

&, as ever, FAIL!

Mike, this guy is a troll. No need to engage him.

If you smell a troll, you should realise that the stench is almost certainly from yourself. I can smell you from here.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 14, 2015, 01:27:36 PM
Really; I have no idea what mikeman is trying to say any more.

He has not been to space, yet is expert in every single aspect of it, bar none.

His buddies come riding to the rescue whenever he paints himself into a corner -which is often - attempting to claim those who point out his loopiness are 'trolls'.

Now he wants to start a thread about 'weather', space travel & the judicial system...

I thought friday was your meltdown day, mikeman.nasa.gov; are you 'coming on' early this week?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: legion on May 14, 2015, 01:34:44 PM
Really; I have no idea what mikeman is trying to say any more.

He has not been to space, yet is expert in every single aspect of it, bar none.


His buddies come riding to the rescue whenever he paints himself into a corner -which is often - attempting to claim those who point out his loopiness are 'trolls'.

Now he wants to start a thread about 'weather', space travel & the judicial system...

I thought friday was your meltdown day, mikeman.nasa.gov; are you 'coming on' early this week?

mikey claims to be a Mormon. I'm fine with religious people. I find many of iWitness's threads interesting (including this one). But mikey considers himself scientific as well. You know, with his 2D software modelling activities and the like.

The problem is, he hasn't got a clue about science! And it shows. The fact that he asked if I "fell asleep in physics class", as though a classroom is the only place to gain knowledge and understanding about the world.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 14, 2015, 01:38:06 PM
He has not been to space, yet is expert in every single aspect of it, bar none.
You've never been to NASA's launch sites and centers, apparently, and yet you claim to be enough of an expert to dismiss everything they've done out of hand.
Funny how that works.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: legion on May 14, 2015, 01:40:16 PM
He has not been to space, yet is expert in every single aspect of it, bar none.
You've never been to NASA's launch sites and centers, apparently, and yet you claim to be enough of an expert to dismiss everything they've done out of hand.
Funny how that works.

If someone visited a nasa launch site or centre, would they then become an expert in space travel? Is that what you are suggesting?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 14, 2015, 01:41:20 PM
If someone visited a nasa launch site or centre, would they then become an expert in space travel? Is that what you are suggesting?

Nope, I don't think someone has to go somewhere to learn about it. I'm not the one saying that.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: legion on May 14, 2015, 01:42:24 PM
If someone visited a nasa launch site or centre, would they then become an expert in space travel? Is that what you are suggesting?

Nope, I don't think someone has to go somewhere to learn about it. I'm not the one saying that.

So, what would be achieved by visiting?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: mikeman7918 on May 14, 2015, 01:45:04 PM
Really; I have no idea what mikeman is trying to say any more.

What I am trying to explain is basic physics which are easy to prove and I am explaining it in the same way I explained it to my sister when she was 7.  If your brain cell still has problems comprehending it it's not my fault.

He has not been to space, yet is expert in every single aspect of it, bar none.

Posting this again because you apparently didn't read it last time:

Under that logic a marine biologist knows nothing about marine biology until they have personally seen the bottom of the ocean in a sub even if they study samples on the surface, A soldier can't know anything about combat until they have been in a battle even though they have been through boot camp, a historian can't know anything about Egypt until they have visited it even though they study it, and a doctor can't know anything about cancer until they have it even though they went to medical school.

Do you seriously not see the flaws in that logic?

His buddies come riding to the rescue whenever he paints himself into a corner -which is often - attempting to claim those who point out his loopiness are 'trolls'.

"'paints' himself into a corner"

You point out every spelling mistake I make as if it proves something, so I will do the same just to show you how annoying it is.

Also, please point out just one time when I "painted" myself into a corner (whatever that means).

I also rarely call people trolls and the only people who have pointed out my """"""""""loopiness"""""""""" are people who don't know the first thing about what I am talking about.

Now he wants to start a thread about 'weather', space travel & the judicial system...

That's a spelling mistake.  I don't see how that proves anything.

I thought friday was your meltdown day, mikeman.nasa.gov; are you 'coming on' early this week?

And you say that I don't make any sense...
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 14, 2015, 01:48:06 PM
Dammit. Legion, you're stealing my bedtime comedy gold!

Now; bijane - explain again how Australia is like Space...

& mikeman: ROFLCOPTER!!!!!!
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 14, 2015, 01:52:56 PM
So, what would be achieved by visiting?

You tell me, you're the one saying you have to go somewhere to know anything about it.

Now; bijane - explain again how Australia is like Space...
1. You haven't been there. 2. Not talking about Australia, haven't for a while. 3. Your turn, what differences stop your 'logic' holding?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 14, 2015, 01:55:20 PM
Meh... not as funny as you used to be.

Legion can have you.

Goodnight.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 14, 2015, 01:58:24 PM
Goodnight.
Night! Try to come back with an answer sometime.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 14, 2015, 02:03:23 PM
I already have. Repeatedly.

But I didn't mind cos it was you...

Now, however, the thrill is gone.

So STFU & get back in your ocd Cape Canaveral-spamming hugbox, okay?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Lemmiwinks on May 14, 2015, 02:08:00 PM
mikeman: Yup; legion got it right.

You are a total retard & made of Fail.

Let's hope you never have to appear as a Defendant in any court that accepts YOUR definition of what constitutes a reliable witness, as well as conclusive evidence for absolute proof...

No, actually; let's DO!

LOL!

&, as ever, FAIL!

Mike, this guy is a troll. No need to engage him.

If you smell a troll, you should realise that the stench is almost certainly from yourself. I can smell you from here.

Is a new trolling technique to try and pin "troll" on other people? I don't think you're a troll legion, just an idiot.

I was saying Papa is a troll, which he clearly is.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: markjo on May 14, 2015, 05:43:18 PM
YET AGAIN, I'M NOTICING A LOT OF SPACE EXPERTISE HERE!!!
Ummm...  No.  It's more like scientific competence.  I don't need to go into space to see how things work in a vacuum or study gravity.

Constant repetition of Hearsay Evidence does not constitute Proof, no matter how much you Wish it so.

Try it in a courtroom & see how far it gets you...
Scientific evidence does not employ the same burden of proof as legal evidence.  In science, you are allowed to learn from other people's experiences, no matter how much you wish it wasn't so.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 14, 2015, 09:54:01 PM
Well, the problem is that there's 'science' & then there's 'science-fiction' & then there's 'scientism'; & you lot can't tell the difference between them.

Which is how we're in the mess we are.

So maybe a better standard of evidence would help separate the wheat from the chaff?

Bringing me neatly to: Have any of you actually been to space yet? Because if you have not, then you have no direct, unambiguous empirical evidence for what it's like.

So STFU about it.


Bye-bye space-goons.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: mikeman7918 on May 14, 2015, 10:46:27 PM
Well, the problem is that there's 'science' & then there's 'science-fiction' & then there's 'scientism'; & you lot can't tell the difference between them.

Which is how we're in the mess we are.

So maybe a better standard of evidence would help separate the wheat from the chaff?

Bringing me neatly to: Have any of you actually been to space yet? Because if you have not, then you have no direct, unambiguous empirical evidence for what it's like.

So STFU about it.


Bye-bye space-goons.

Again, does this mean that a doctors word on the symptoms of cancer is wrong if the doctor hasn't had cancer?  Is a marine biologist's word on what like is like under the sea wrong because he hasn't been to the bottom of the ocean in a submarine?  Is a historian's word on history wrong even though they havn't traveled back in time?  If you answer no to any of these questions then what makes space different?  If you answered yes to any of these questions then you have some serious trust issues.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: markjo on May 15, 2015, 05:33:32 AM
Well, the problem is that there's 'science' & then there's 'science-fiction' & then there's 'scientism'; & you lot can't tell the difference between them.
Actually, some of us can.  I'm sorry if you can't, but that's your problem, not ours.

Which is how we're in the mess we are.
And just what mess would that be?

So maybe a better standard of evidence would help separate the wheat from the chaff?
How many innocent people has the legal system sent to jail or to their death because the "wheat" didn't get separated from the "chaff"?

Bringing me neatly to: Have any of you actually been to space yet? Because if you have not, then you have no direct, unambiguous empirical evidence for what it's like.
Which brings me neatly back to: what makes you think that personal experience is the only way to gain "direct, unambiguous empirical evidence for what it's like"?

So STFU about it.[/b]
Not until you do.

Bye-bye space-goons.
Good riddance, jerk.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: hoppy on May 15, 2015, 07:07:10 AM
Good job Papa and legion. Mikey Mike is just babbling about historians and oceanographers, and probably reconsidering his position.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: mikeman7918 on May 15, 2015, 07:53:37 AM
Good job Papa and legion. Mikey Mike is just babbling about historians and oceanographers, and probably reconsidering his position.

It's called an analogy, not babbling, and I am not reconsidering my position.  You people never cease to amaze me with your refusal to understand concepts that 5 year olds can easily grasp.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: JerkFace on May 15, 2015, 08:03:29 AM
Have any of you actually been to space yet? Because if you have not, then you have no direct, unambiguous empirical evidence for what it's like.

You must have missed the last few thousand years of human history,  perhaps you were working on your "fat girth society" diet plan.

Space has been the preoccupation of civilizations from the stone age to the present day.   You might have heard of astronomy?   Perhaps not,  so,  have you ever heard of telescopes?   Maybe you don't understand what empirical means.   You certainly don't know what  constitutes evidence.   

Here's a test for you,  go outside at night time and look up.   What do you see?   Giant turtles,  Alien spaceships? 

Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 15, 2015, 08:39:32 AM
To: joyful Hitler-worshipping 'creative eater' & bedding-soaker Markjo; I am absolutely certain that there is nothing you crave more than that people should believe that Personal Experience is NOT the only way to gain direct, unambiguous empirical evidence for what anything is like whatsoever.

Makes your job of Policing their Thoughts a whole lot easier, don't it, Mr. 'content nazi'?

We should all just Take Your Word for Everything, shouldn't we, you Fascism-lover?

Seriously; what, precisely, is your purpose on this forum?

Why have you spammed 27,000+ arrogant, pompous & empty posts here, none of which express a single idea or concept that could not be found on Wikipedia?

This is a place devoted to alternative thinking; if we wanted wiki-spoo we could easily find it ourselves.

Yet here you are, banging on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on, for ever & ever a-bloody-men...

Why?

What on earth made you decide to make it your business to become such an irredeemable pain-in-the-butt & miserable, sneering downer in a place you are simply not welcome?

And you lot have the sheer temerity to call ME a troll?!?

YOU, 'markjo' are the Troll to end all Trolls; & I've had enough of you.

So STFU & GTFO; no-one likes you. or wants you, here any more.

Except your painfully obvious sock-puppet army, of course...

& rayzor: STFU & polish your 'telescope'. Also; learn to read.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 15, 2015, 08:49:06 AM
BUMP!

Nice try, markjo/harry1999.

But LOL!

& FAIL!

How many socks do you have on this site ffs?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 15, 2015, 09:04:51 AM
BUMP!
...You do know what 'bump' is used for right?
Usually on an old thread. Not one where the last comment was ten minutes ago.

Anyway, been to Cape Canaveral yet?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: th3rm0m3t3r0 on May 15, 2015, 09:06:45 AM
BUMP!

Nice try, markjo/harry1999.

But LOL!

& FAIL!

How many socks do you have on this site ffs?
1. markjo is awesome.
2. Double posting is discouraged.
3. Don't bump threads that are at the top of the list.......
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 15, 2015, 09:10:32 AM
1: Lying sock-puppet LOL!!!!!
2: Don't tell me what to do.
3: Ditto.
4: There is no 4:
5: STFU & get back in your ventriloquist's dummy hugbox.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: legion on May 15, 2015, 09:18:43 AM
mikeman: Yup; legion got it right.

You are a total retard & made of Fail.

Let's hope you never have to appear as a Defendant in any court that accepts YOUR definition of what constitutes a reliable witness, as well as conclusive evidence for absolute proof...

No, actually; let's DO!

LOL!

&, as ever, FAIL!

Mike, this guy is a troll. No need to engage him.

If you smell a troll, you should realise that the stench is almost certainly from yourself. I can smell you from here.

Is a new trolling technique to try and pin "troll" on other people? I don't think you're I'm a troll legion, I'm just an idiot.

I was saying Papa is a troll, which he clearly is isn't.

Fixed you latest errors, winky. This is becoming a full time job.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: th3rm0m3t3r0 on May 15, 2015, 09:20:54 AM
1: Lying sock-puppet LOL!!!!!
2: Don't tell me what to do.
3: Ditto.
4: There is no 4:
5: STFU & get back in your ventriloquist's dummy hugbox.
I'm absolutely not a "sock-puppet".
The Earth is flat.
I'm just annoyed with people like you who sully our name.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 15, 2015, 09:25:42 AM
LOL!

Behave yourself, Pinnochio, your nose is growing longer...
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: legion on May 15, 2015, 09:30:28 AM
Well, the problem is that there's 'science' & then there's 'science-fiction' & then there's 'scientism'; & you lot can't tell the difference between them.

Which is how we're in the mess we are.

So maybe a better standard of evidence would help separate the wheat from the chaff?

Bringing me neatly to: Have any of you actually been to space yet? Because if you have not, then you have no direct, unambiguous empirical evidence for what it's like.

So STFU about it.


Bye-bye space-goons.

Quote
Again, does this mean that a doctors word on the symptoms of cancer is wrong if the doctor hasn't had cancer?
 

A doctor can observe the effects of cancer. He doesn't need to actually have cancer.

Quote
Is a marine biologist's word on what like is like under the sea wrong because he hasn't been to the bottom of the ocean in a submarine?
 

It may not be wrong but it may not be right either. Who knows if it's right or wrong?

Quote
Is a historian's word on history wrong even though they havn't traveled back in time?

It's an educated guess. Nothing more. Who knows if it's right or wrong?

Quote
If you answer no to any of these questions then what makes space different?  If you answered yes to any of these questions then you have some serious trust issues.

Who should we trust? The Nigerian wanting to transfer money into my bank account? All scientists? You tell me.

Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: th3rm0m3t3r0 on May 15, 2015, 09:33:06 AM
LOL!

Behave yourself, Pinnochio, your nose is growing longer...
Excuse me?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Lemmiwinks on May 15, 2015, 09:34:09 AM
mikeman: Yup; legion got it right.

You are a total retard & made of Fail.

Let's hope you never have to appear as a Defendant in any court that accepts YOUR definition of what constitutes a reliable witness, as well as conclusive evidence for absolute proof...

No, actually; let's DO!

LOL!

&, as ever, FAIL!

Mike, this guy is a troll. No need to engage him.

If you smell a troll, you should realise that the stench is almost certainly from yourself. I can smell you from here.

Is a new trolling technique to try and pin "troll" on other people? I don't think you're I'm a troll legion, I'm just an idiot.

I was saying Papa is a troll, which he clearly is isn't.

Fixed you latest errors, winky. This is becoming a full time job.

Wow legion. Really? This is the level you set your discourse at? Whats next? Calling me a poopy head? Should I wait for your dad come here and rough me up?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 15, 2015, 09:38:49 AM
I would like to remind everyone that the level of discourse on this thread was set by 'markjo' suggesting that I EAT 'FESCES'.

Just fyi...
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: legion on May 15, 2015, 09:39:41 AM
mikeman: Yup; legion got it right.

You are a total retard & made of Fail.

Let's hope you never have to appear as a Defendant in any court that accepts YOUR definition of what constitutes a reliable witness, as well as conclusive evidence for absolute proof...

No, actually; let's DO!

LOL!

&, as ever, FAIL!

Mike, this guy is a troll. No need to engage him.

If you smell a troll, you should realise that the stench is almost certainly from yourself. I can smell you from here.

Is a new trolling technique to try and pin "troll" on other people? I don't think you're I'm a troll legion, I'm just an idiot.

I was saying Papa is a troll, which he clearly is isn't.

Fixed you latest errors, winky. This is becoming a full time job.

Wow legion. Really? This is the level you set your discourse at? Whats next? Calling me a poopy head? Should I wait for your dad come here and rough me up?

Your original post made no sense. Now it does.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: mikeman7918 on May 15, 2015, 09:42:00 AM
Well, the problem is that there's 'science' & then there's 'science-fiction' & then there's 'scientism'; & you lot can't tell the difference between them.

Which is how we're in the mess we are.

So maybe a better standard of evidence would help separate the wheat from the chaff?

Bringing me neatly to: Have any of you actually been to space yet? Because if you have not, then you have no direct, unambiguous empirical evidence for what it's like.

So STFU about it.


Bye-bye space-goons.

Quote
Again, does this mean that a doctors word on the symptoms of cancer is wrong if the doctor hasn't had cancer?
 

A doctor can observe the effects of cancer. He doesn't need to actually have cancer.

Quote
Is a marine biologist's word on what like is like under the sea wrong because he hasn't been to the bottom of the ocean in a submarine?
 

It may not be wrong but it may not be right either. Who knows if it's right or wrong?

Quote
Is a historian's word on history wrong even though they havn't traveled back in time?

It's an educated guess. Nothing more. Who knows if it's right or wrong?

Quote
If you answer no to any of these questions then what makes space different?  If you answered yes to any of these questions then you have some serious trust issues.

Who should we trust? The Nigerian wanting to transfer money into my bank account? All scientists? You tell me.


That's exactaly my point.  I don't have to be in space to know about it, I can observe it, I can make educated guesses about it, and even though my word is not as good as the word of an astronaut it's not completely worthless.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Lemmiwinks on May 15, 2015, 09:47:07 AM
I would like to remind everyone that the level of discourse on this thread was set by 'markjo' suggesting that I EAT 'FESCES'.

Just fyi...

markjo is an ex mod and the content Nazi label is something applied by the people that run the site, as it is above the avatar and not below it. So calling him out on that over and over again is strange.

Also I could be wrong, but I would assume he spelt feces right.

And prove you don't eat feces.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: legion on May 15, 2015, 09:49:13 AM
Well, the problem is that there's 'science' & then there's 'science-fiction' & then there's 'scientism'; & you lot can't tell the difference between them.

Which is how we're in the mess we are.

So maybe a better standard of evidence would help separate the wheat from the chaff?

Bringing me neatly to: Have any of you actually been to space yet? Because if you have not, then you have no direct, unambiguous empirical evidence for what it's like.

So STFU about it.


Bye-bye space-goons.

Quote
Again, does this mean that a doctors word on the symptoms of cancer is wrong if the doctor hasn't had cancer?
 

A doctor can observe the effects of cancer. He doesn't need to actually have cancer.

Quote
Is a marine biologist's word on what like is like under the sea wrong because he hasn't been to the bottom of the ocean in a submarine?
 

It may not be wrong but it may not be right either. Who knows if it's right or wrong?

Quote
Is a historian's word on history wrong even though they havn't traveled back in time?

It's an educated guess. Nothing more. Who knows if it's right or wrong?

Quote
If you answer no to any of these questions then what makes space different?  If you answered yes to any of these questions then you have some serious trust issues.

Who should we trust? The Nigerian wanting to transfer money into my bank account? All scientists? You tell me.


That's exactaly my point.  I don't have to be in space to know about it, I can observe it, I can make educated guesses about it, and even though my word is not as good as the word of an astronaut it's not completely worthless.

What would you like to share with us then? I'll give you a fair hearing.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 15, 2015, 09:50:47 AM
Oh, & Pinnochio: ever heard of 'controlled opposition'?

Cos that's what your milk-sop sock was created to be; why else would you, as a supposed flat-earther, be so pro-markjo, yet your tag be so anti-sceptimatic?

You are pathetically obvious; you are BUSTED; you are also, in-fkn-evitably, LOL! & FAIL!

Now buzz off back to your stage-prop hugbox.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Lemmiwinks on May 15, 2015, 10:02:16 AM
Oh, & Pinnochio: ever heard of 'controlled opposition'?

Cos that's what your milk-sop sock was created to be; why else would you, as a supposed flat-earther, be so pro-markjo, yet your tag be so anti-sceptimatic?

You are pathetically obvious; you are BUSTED; you are also, in-fkn-evitably, LOL! & FAIL!

Now buzz off back to your stage-prop hugbox.

Because markjo makes sense a lot of the time and scepti is a toolshed.

Is that a good enough answer?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: th3rm0m3t3r0 on May 15, 2015, 10:03:07 AM
Oh, & Pinnochio: ever heard of 'controlled opposition'?

Cos that's what your milk-sop sock was created to be; why else would you, as a supposed flat-earther, be so pro-markjo, yet your tag be so anti-sceptimatic?

You are pathetically obvious; you are BUSTED; you are also, in-fkn-evitably, LOL! & FAIL!

Now buzz off back to your stage-prop hugbox.
You didn't know the old scepti.
He's a troll.
A well known troll.
markjo has been here as long as I can remember, and though I don't agree with most of the content he posts, he is an intelligent and fun person.
Separation is the bane of organized human civilization. I like to associate myself with people of differing beliefs, because that's how you throw bias out and learn.
Of course, I enjoy arguing with round Earth enthusiasts as much as the next guy, but I do not condemn them for their (albeit misinformed) beliefs. That would just make me look silly.
Kind of how you look right now, actually.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: legion on May 15, 2015, 10:07:11 AM
Oh, & Pinnochio: ever heard of 'controlled opposition'?

Cos that's what your milk-sop sock was created to be; why else would you, as a supposed flat-earther, be so pro-markjo, yet your tag be so anti-sceptimatic?

You are pathetically obvious; you are BUSTED; you are also, in-fkn-evitably, LOL! & FAIL!

Now buzz off back to your stage-prop hugbox.
You didn't know the old scepti.
He's a troll.
A well known troll.
markjo has been here as long as I can remember, and though I don't agree with most of the content he posts, he is an intelligent and fun person.
Separation is the bane of organized human civilization. I like to associate myself with people of differing beliefs, because that's how you throw bias out and learn.
Of course, I enjoy arguing with round Earth enthusiasts as much as the next guy, but I do not condemn them for their (albeit misinformed) beliefs. That would just make me look silly.
Kind of how you look right now, actually.

So when Sceptimatic starts a thread to discuss a particular idea, that is trolling? You have no idea what you're on about, do you?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: th3rm0m3t3r0 on May 15, 2015, 10:22:57 AM
Oh, & Pinnochio: ever heard of 'controlled opposition'?

Cos that's what your milk-sop sock was created to be; why else would you, as a supposed flat-earther, be so pro-markjo, yet your tag be so anti-sceptimatic?

You are pathetically obvious; you are BUSTED; you are also, in-fkn-evitably, LOL! & FAIL!

Now buzz off back to your stage-prop hugbox.
You didn't know the old scepti.
He's a troll.
A well known troll.
markjo has been here as long as I can remember, and though I don't agree with most of the content he posts, he is an intelligent and fun person.
Separation is the bane of organized human civilization. I like to associate myself with people of differing beliefs, because that's how you throw bias out and learn.
Of course, I enjoy arguing with round Earth enthusiasts as much as the next guy, but I do not condemn them for their (albeit misinformed) beliefs. That would just make me look silly.
Kind of how you look right now, actually.

So when Sceptimatic starts a thread to discuss a particular idea, that is trolling? You have no idea what you're on about, do you?
No, when he starts a thread to troll, he's trolling.
What are you "on about"?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 15, 2015, 10:25:13 AM
Pinnochio: Just cut the crap, sock-puppet; no-one's buying your b.s.

Sceptimatic has more original thoughts every single day than you have had in your entire, misbegotten, existence; I've had enough of you & your creator bullying & belittling him, as has every other True free-thinker on this site.

So knock it off, okay?

You're now both outnumbered & out-thought; the game has changed.

I may not be a great originator, but I was in Baghdad when you were in your Dad's Bag; you'll get nothing past me, ever.

So stop trying.

It's over, puppet-masters, trolls & madmen.

Deal with it.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 15, 2015, 10:28:44 AM
Oh, & 'lemmiwinks'; quite the expert on 'markjo', aren't you?

Why would that be, I wonder?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: th3rm0m3t3r0 on May 15, 2015, 10:31:07 AM
Pinnochio: Just cut the crap, sock-puppet; no-one's buying your b.s.

Sceptimatic has more original thoughts every single day than you have had in your entire, misbegotten, existence; I've had enough of you & your creator bullying & belittling him, as has every other True free-thinker on this site.

So knock it off, okay?

You're now both outnumbered & out-thought; the game has changed.

I may not be a great originator, but I was in Baghdad when you were in your Dad's Bag; you'll get nothing past me, ever.

So stop trying.

It's over, puppet-masters, trolls & madmen.

Deal with it.
Who's my "creator"?
You have been terribly misinformed on what "free thinking" is.
Who is this "both"?
You were in Baghdad? When?

Being super ambiguous and just saying "I've won and it's over" is not an argument.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: th3rm0m3t3r0 on May 15, 2015, 10:32:17 AM
Oh, & 'lemmiwinks'; quite the expert on 'markjo', aren't you?

Why would that be, I wonder?
Maybe because he's been here for more than a month.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Lemmiwinks on May 15, 2015, 10:37:36 AM
Oh, & 'lemmiwinks'; quite the expert on 'markjo', aren't you?

Why would that be, I wonder?
Maybe because he's been here for more than a month.

No no, apparently in his mind it involves sock puppets for whatever reason.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: mikeman7918 on May 15, 2015, 10:49:19 AM
What would you like to share with us then? I'll give you a fair hearing.

I think I need to start a new thread for this.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 15, 2015, 10:53:44 AM
LOL!

Too slick, idiot; remember to at least TRY to imitate 'real' stuff i.e. posting at the same time, stumbling over each other's words, having misunderstandings, etc...

Your nerp-derp procession fools no-one.

Like I said; any net-savvy person here will instantly see what's what.

Now, carry on... With all your progress, personal space-travel can't be far away!
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 15, 2015, 10:57:27 AM
Oh, & in your haste to reinforce your perceived ascendance, you forgot to stay in character for 'mikeman'; really, you should watch this.

I told you already.

LOL!
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: mikeman7918 on May 15, 2015, 11:02:22 AM
LOL!

Too slick, idiot; remember to at least TRY to imitate 'real' stuff i.e. posting at the same time, stumbling over each other's words, having misunderstandings, etc...

Your nerp-derp procession fools no-one.

Like I said; any net-savvy person here will instantly see what's what.

Now, carry on... With all your progress, personal space-travel can't be far away!

I can act overly superstitious too, my cat is working for the government and it's out to get me.  I know this because he meowed when I said "meow if you are working for the government".

Oh wait, you are actually serious.  Unless you are trolling, which I highly suspect.

Oh, & in your haste to reinforce your perceived ascendance, you forgot to stay in character for 'mikeman'; really, you should watch this.

I told you already.

LOL!

Oh yeah, because of course I am just a one dimensional character who's only purpose is to annoy flat earthers.  It's not like I have a life or anything with my own struggles and influences like literally every human on this very round planet.

[/sarcasm]
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 15, 2015, 11:09:17 AM
LOL!!!

MARKJO? WHERE ARE YOUUUUUUU???

I'm talking about you, saying BAD things.. yet you have SO MANY defenders that YOU don't have to say a thing...

Just let THEM do it for you...

You are SUCH a popular guy!!!!

LMFAO!!!!

Mikeman: STFU.

Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Lemmiwinks on May 15, 2015, 11:16:43 AM
LOL!!!

MARKJO? WHERE ARE YOUUUUUUU???

I'm talking about you, saying BAD things.. yet you have SO MANY defenders that YOU don't have to say a thing...

Just let THEM do it for you...

You are SUCH a popular guy!!!!

LMFAO!!!!

Mikeman: STFU.

Honestly, you're actually a rather bad troll. I thought maybe you had some game at first, but its falling apart on you.

Just annoying and repetitive. Oh wells. I miss the good trolls.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 15, 2015, 11:24:37 AM
Lemmiwinks & harry1999: LOL!

Seriously, markjo; where are you?

What are you?

Why are you?

I think we should know...

Come back when you're ready to bore the piss out of us with your tl;dr answer, eh?

Maybe it'll get you into space, huh?

After all, your 'lab physics studies' haven't, have they?

Though they've somehow PROVEN everyone else has been there; easy, eh?

When you're a LAB PHYSICS STUDENT, anything is possible!
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: markjo on May 15, 2015, 11:42:48 AM
Lemmiwinks & harry1999: LOL!

Seriously, markjo; where are you?

What are you?
Believe it or not, some of us have to work for a living and are not able to babysit you 24/7.

Why are you?
Because I am.

I think we should know...
Thinking doesn't seem to be your strong suit.

Come back when you're ready to bore the piss out of us with your tl;dr answer, eh?
Why don't you go away until you're ready to have a civil discussion.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 15, 2015, 11:58:05 AM
Markjo: tl;dr.

Next!
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 15, 2015, 12:04:22 PM
P.s. you really do need to create a distinctive voice for 'lemmiwinks'; you sound way too similar.

Why not give him a coprophagia fetish or something?

Oops - already taken!

Oh, well, you'll think of something. I'm sure...
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: th3rm0m3t3r0 on May 15, 2015, 12:10:04 PM
P.s. you really do need to create a distinctive voice for 'lemmiwinks'; you sound way too similar.

Why not give him a coprophagia fetish or something?

Oops - already taken!

Oh, well, you'll think of something. I'm sure...
Just going to throw this out there:
I don't think Lemmiwinks is markjo.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Lemmiwinks on May 15, 2015, 12:11:38 PM
P.s. you really do need to create a distinctive voice for 'lemmiwinks'; you sound way too similar.

Why not give him a coprophagia fetish or something?

Oops - already taken!

Oh, well, you'll think of something. I'm sure...
Just going to throw this out there:
I don't think Lemmiwinks is markjo.

He'll think what he thinks. Because I said markjo used to be a mod and the content Nazi title is above his avatar and not below it and therefore from site admin I am now a valiant defender of him and probably him.

Papa just has no game and its showing now, tis all.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 15, 2015, 12:14:22 PM
LOL!!!!!

You just dig your own graves, don't you?

Fantastic!

LOL/FAIL/ETC = YOU.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 15, 2015, 12:25:20 PM
Seriously; I can see how any person who ain't net-savvy might think I'm having a 'conversation' with several different people.

But, really, to anyone who's been around it's blindingly obvious that I'm up against an ineptly-handled sock-puppet army.

& nothing markjo & his zombie-horde can say will change that.

But. hey, believe what you want...
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 15, 2015, 12:27:29 PM
Have you ever personally met Markjo?
If not, you have no direct, unambiguous evidence for what they're like.
Your opinion on the topic is worthless.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Lemmiwinks on May 15, 2015, 12:28:41 PM
Have you ever personally met Markjo?
If not, you have no direct, unambiguous evidence for what they're like.
Your opinion on the topic is worthless.

^5 Jane
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: legion on May 15, 2015, 12:29:12 PM
P.s. you really do need to create a distinctive voice for 'lemmiwinks'; you sound way too similar.

Why not give him a coprophagia fetish or something?

Oops - already taken!

Oh, well, you'll think of something. I'm sure...

I'm not sure that winky is an alt. for markjo. markjo can at least be thought provoking at times, and has a decent grasp of logic. winky on the other hand is a complete moron. One of those people that I dislike instantly. Nearly as bad as geoffrey.

But, an interesting theory though.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Lemmiwinks on May 15, 2015, 12:37:38 PM
P.s. you really do need to create a distinctive voice for 'lemmiwinks'; you sound way too similar.

Why not give him a coprophagia fetish or something?

Oops - already taken!

Oh, well, you'll think of something. I'm sure...

I'm not sure that winky is an alt. for markjo. markjo can at least be thought provoking at times, and has a decent grasp of logic. winky on the other hand is a complete moron. One of those people that I dislike instantly. Nearly as bad as geoffrey.

But, an interesting theory though.

Interesting, since you've yet to be able to best me.

Though hey, its exactly what I think of you! So we have something almost in common!
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 15, 2015, 12:52:54 PM
Well, legion, looks like we'll have to agree to disagree; cos, to me, it is as plain as the nose on your face that the majority of posters here are sock-puppets.

So what though? An idiot is an idiot no matter what.

 & the bigger they come, the harder they fall...

Where were we anyhow?

Right: you stole my comedy gold, but I didn't care cos of summat or other... Ah, sod it; has any bugger here been to space?

Apart from markjo, who is some kind of DEITY whom we mere mortals are not allowed to gaze upon... He was once a MOD you know!!!!

Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: legion on May 15, 2015, 01:10:55 PM
Well, legion, looks like we'll have to agree to disagree; cos, to me, it is as plain as the nose on your face that the majority of posters here are sock-puppets.

So what though? An idiot is an idiot no matter what.

 & the bigger they come, the harder they fall...

Where were we anyhow?

Right: you stole my comedy gold, but I didn't care cos of summat or other... Ah, sod it; has any bugger here been to space?

Apart from markjo, who is some kind of DEITY whom we mere mortals are not allowed to gaze upon... He was once a MOD you know!!!!

Agreeing to disagree is very rare here buddy. I think it shows our level of intellect that we can do that. Sorry if I'm stealing your comedy gold. Feel free to throw stuff at the trolls. Talking of trolls, has anyone seen geoffrey? He's become awfully quiet lately. Maybe his Mum has taken his computer off him.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: legion on May 15, 2015, 01:13:51 PM
Have you ever personally met Markjo?
If not, you have no direct, unambiguous evidence for what they're like.
Your opinion on the topic is worthless.

We have all met his online persona. So pipe down.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: mikeman7918 on May 15, 2015, 01:16:56 PM
Well, legion, looks like we'll have to agree to disagree; cos, to me, it is as plain as the nose on your face that the majority of posters here are sock-puppets.

To me it's obvious that you are a troll.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 15, 2015, 01:18:43 PM
Legion: Dame Edna knows damn well to keep out of my way; he knows I'd rip him a new one.

But that's cos he's more clued-up to the true nature of reality than most here; I'll give him that at least.

Mikeman: STFU when the adults are talking.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: mikeman7918 on May 15, 2015, 01:21:20 PM
Mikeman: STFU when the adults are talking.

LOL, as if a reasonable adult would be a flat earther.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 15, 2015, 01:22:26 PM
We have all met his online persona. So pipe down.

So second-hand, word-of-mouth information is reliable?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 15, 2015, 01:25:36 PM
LOL neither I nor Legion ARE 'flat earthers' you dipshit.

Now STFU while the adults talk, okay?

Dipshit.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: markjo on May 15, 2015, 01:25:47 PM
He'll think what he thinks. Because I said markjo used to be a mod and the content Nazi title is above his avatar and not below it and therefore from site admin I am now a valiant defender of him and probably him.
Actually, the Elder Ones label is for me being a former mod.  The Content Nazi label is something that I added.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 15, 2015, 01:27:25 PM
Markjo: I do not care. You are a liar. Go away.

You too, bijane.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: mikeman7918 on May 15, 2015, 01:30:36 PM
LOL neither I nor Legion ARE 'flat earthers' you dipshit.

Oh, OK.  So you are just a troll who insults round earthers for no reason.  Got it.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 15, 2015, 01:39:54 PM
Why are you here, dipshit?

Because your faux-autism gives you an excuse for never understanding anything, ever?

Or what, exactly?

Whatever; STFU when the adults are talking, ok?

You might learn something...

You too, bijane.

But markjo is beyond redemption...
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Misero on May 15, 2015, 01:46:52 PM
You just made a joke about autism. I want to find you and knock your face to the floor.

You deserve to go to hell for that comment.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 15, 2015, 01:55:54 PM
LOL!

So do it; or, more likely, report me to the mods.

As sock-puppets are wont to...
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: legion on May 15, 2015, 02:08:26 PM
We have all met his online persona. So pipe down.

So second-hand, word-of-mouth information is reliable?

No. Direct experience. Let's make your comment bold:

Quote
second-hand, word-of-mouth information is reliable?

Now might be a good time to explain your reasoning for your absurd comment.



Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 15, 2015, 02:12:52 PM
Now might be a good time to explain your reasoning for your absurd comment.

You're saying that experience of an online persona (so: text you're given with no indication as to accuracy) is direct experience of the source of that persona. You're the one being absurd, but I'm pretty sure you know that.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 15, 2015, 02:27:10 PM
Legion: are you feeling the comedy gold yet?

It can become addictive; take care....
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: legion on May 15, 2015, 02:34:32 PM
Have you ever personally met Markjo?
If not, you have no direct, unambiguous evidence for what they're like.
Your opinion on the topic is worthless.

Now might be a good time to explain your reasoning for your absurd comment.

You're saying that experience of an online persona (so: text you're given with no indication as to accuracy) is direct experience of the source of that persona. You're the one being absurd, but I'm pretty sure you know that.

Erm, no I'm not. Find where I said that. I clearly stated that we have direct experience of the persona. I make no assumptions about the source of the persona. You have conveniently sidestepped (ignored) my suggestion that you explain this absurd comment:

So second-hand, word-of-mouth information is reliable?

Nothing I read on here is "second hand" and I fail to see what is taken as "word-of-mouth". Maybe you can explain, or maybe you're trolling?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 15, 2015, 02:36:29 PM
Erm, no I'm not. Find where I said that. I clearly stated that we have direct experience of the persona. I make no assumptions about the source of the persona.
In that case your addition was irrelevant to the conversation, so I'm not sure why you were adding it. Papa was clearly making assumptions about what the source of the persona.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: legion on May 15, 2015, 02:39:44 PM
Erm, no I'm not. Find where I said that. I clearly stated that we have direct experience of the persona. I make no assumptions about the source of the persona.
In that case your addition was irrelevant to the conversation, so I'm not sure why you were adding it. Papa was clearly making assumptions about what the source of the persona.

Once again, what do you mean by "second-hand and word-of-mouth information is reliable" in relation to members on here? Have you finally lost the plot? It seems that way to me. Excessive trolling has that effect.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: legion on May 15, 2015, 02:43:25 PM
Legion: are you feeling the comedy gold yet?

It can become addictive; take care....

Not really mate. I feel (a tiny bit) sorry for these clowns. Since you joined they are really struggling to hold it together. I'm starting to miss geoffrey. At least he had conviction of his beliefs. These lot remind me of call centre workers.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 15, 2015, 02:44:29 PM
Once again, what do you mean by "second-hand and word-of-mouth information is reliable" in relation to members on here? Have you finally lost the plot? It seems that way to me. Excessive trolling has that effect.
You're getting all your information from what you're told, by a persona, with no personal investigatio as to accuracy, as to what the originator of the persona is like. Not literally 'word of mouth' perhaps, but certainly second hand.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: legion on May 15, 2015, 02:46:15 PM
Once again, what do you mean by "second-hand and word-of-mouth information is reliable" in relation to members on here? Have you finally lost the plot? It seems that way to me. Excessive trolling has that effect.
You're getting all your information from what you're told, by a persona, with no personal investigatio as to accuracy, as to what the originator of the persona is like. Not literally 'word of mouth' perhaps, but certainly second hand.

But do I believe that information? Do I accept it as truth? I'll leave that with you to decide...
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 15, 2015, 02:48:33 PM
But do I believe that information? Do I accept it as truth? I'll leave that with you to decide...
Doesn't really matter what you think, the point wasn't directed at you. And given Papa is making claims based on that information, he either believes it or is trolling. I mean, it's obviously the latter, but still.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 15, 2015, 02:51:26 PM
Well, Legion, I guess me & b.j. kinda had a thing going on... Like so much in life, though, it was just down to timing.

But now she's alone I pity her; she'll end up like markjo, merely playing games in the dark with her toy-soldiers..

& she could've done better, damn it!

But, as I always say; LOL!

& FAIL!
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: legion on May 15, 2015, 03:02:42 PM
Well, Legion, I guess me & b.j. kinda had a thing going on... Like so much in life, though, it was just down to timing.

But now she's alone I pity her; she'll end up like markjo, merely playing games in the dark with her toy-soldiers..

& she could've done better, damn it!

But, as I always say; LOL!

& FAIL!

Yes, I saw the chemistry. You two had a good thing going there for a bit. But now you must move on with your lives, knowing that you came so close to virtual happiness. So sad!
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 15, 2015, 03:12:11 PM
Thank you; it's good to know that someone out there understands...

but, as my old dad said: 'never give a sucker an even break'.

Plus; LOL!


&, as night follows day: FAIL!
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 15, 2015, 03:22:10 PM
Thank you; it's good to know that someone out there understands...

but, as my old dad said: 'never give a sucker an even break'.

Plus; LOL!


&, as night follows day: FAIL!

I don't think any of that actually made sense.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Lemmiwinks on May 15, 2015, 03:34:36 PM
Thank you; it's good to know that someone out there understands...

but, as my old dad said: 'never give a sucker an even break'.

Plus; LOL!


&, as night follows day: FAIL!

I don't think any of that actually made sense.

All I got out of it was that for some reason he doesn't think you are markjo, just everyone else.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 15, 2015, 03:38:07 PM
All I got out of it was that for some reason he doesn't think you are markjo, just everyone else.

But I wanted to be Markjo too  :-[
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 15, 2015, 03:42:56 PM
Bijane: you're too dumb to be one of markjo's socks; he's USING YOU, dimwit.

You okay with that?

Anyway, idiots; time for your operant conditioning session:

HAVE ANY OF YOU BEEN TO SPACE?

BECAUSE, IF YOU HAVE NOT, YOU HAVE NO DIRECT, UNAMBIGUOUS EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE FOR WHAT IT'S LIKE.

THUS, YOUR WORD ON THE SUBJECT IS WORTHLESS.


Discuss.

Sensibly, please...
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 15, 2015, 03:44:56 PM
Bijane: you're too dumb to be one of markjo's socks; he's USING YOU, dimwit.
I doubt it. Barely know him.

Quote
HAVE ANY OF YOU BEEN TO SPACE?
Still going on with that?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 15, 2015, 03:53:29 PM
Yep; still asking if any of you space-tards actually have 1st-hand experience of the thing you're so very, very, expert in.

Relevant question; still no good answer.

As for you: STFU; Hugbox.

Nuff said.

Bye, jane.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Lemmiwinks on May 15, 2015, 04:00:43 PM
Yep; still asking if any of you space-tards actually have 1st-hand experience of the thing you're so very, very, expert in.

Relevant question; still no good answer.

As for you: STFU; Hugbox.

Nuff said.

Bye, jane.

By your own logic you have no expertise or experience with it and therefore your opinion is worthless as well.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 15, 2015, 04:16:45 PM
Yup, lemmiwinks you dumb bag of spanners; I have no knowledge of, or experience of space-travel & thus my word on the subject is worthless.

NOW: what makes YOU so very different?

Come on; you're only a disposable sock; take a punt eh?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Lemmiwinks on May 15, 2015, 04:31:49 PM
Yup, lemmiwinks you dumb bag of spanners; I have no knowledge of, or experience of space-travel & thus my word on the subject is worthless.

NOW: what makes YOU so very different?

Come on; you're only a disposable sock; take a punt eh?

Doesn't matter what my opinion is, since you have just admitted your word on the subject is worthless then anything I say is irrefutable by you. Your opinion is null and void on the subject. You muzzled yourself with your own logic.

I say I think it exists and you say it doesn't, who cares, your opinion on the subject is worthless.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Scroto Gaggins on May 15, 2015, 04:56:57 PM
Bijane: you're too dumb to be one of markjo's socks; he's USING YOU, dimwit.

You okay with that?

Anyway, idiots; time for your operant conditioning session:

HAVE ANY OF YOU BEEN TO SPACE?

BECAUSE, IF YOU HAVE NOT, YOU HAVE NO DIRECT, UNAMBIGUOUS EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE FOR WHAT IT'S LIKE.

THUS, YOUR WORD ON THE SUBJECT IS WORTHLESS.


Discuss.

Sensibly, please...
No, I haven't been to space.
No, I claim no expertise.
Does this make you happy?

But I still reckon the earth is round because of the logicality of this model, and the inability of flat-earthers to provide any holes in this logic.

i would like to ask Papa and legion a question: What shape do you think the earth is?
You both say that you aren't flat-earthers. You also both say that round-earthers have no place on these fora.
If you are correct in both of these statements, then you are round-earthers, and therefore don't belong here.

FYI: Im on this forum because of the same reason as I read the Bible.
I don't agree with the content contained within, but the opposing point of view interests me.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: The Ellimist on May 15, 2015, 05:34:40 PM
Yup, lemmiwinks you dumb bag of spanners; I have no knowledge of, or experience of space-travel & thus my word on the subject is worthless.

NOW: what makes YOU so very different?

Come on; you're only a disposable sock; take a punt eh?

Dude, you're going about this all wrong. Right know your troll-persona is a static character; same insults, same dumbass claim, same ignoring of evidence, you're being to constant, you're having too much fun with this. In order to troll successfully, you need to mix it up a bit. Throw some YEC bullshit in there, get angrier. Your bait will be more appealing that way.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: JerkFace on May 15, 2015, 09:18:03 PM
HAVE ANY OF YOU BEEN TO SPACE?

BECAUSE, IF YOU HAVE NOT, YOU HAVE NO DIRECT, UNAMBIGUOUS EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE FOR WHAT IT'S LIKE.

THUS, YOUR WORD ON THE SUBJECT IS WORTHLESS.


I have been quietly doing a poll of interested parties, and we have come to a unanimous decision,  and that is,  that you are 100% correct.  We need someone with personal experience to tell us what space is like.

To that end you have been selected to go on the next SpaceX mission to the ISS,  since the DragonX is not yet ready for human space flight you will be travelling cargo class.   

By a (again ) unanimous vote,   we thought it appropriate to call it a science experiment.   The NASA pick up team will be calling shortly to  drug and kidnap ... prepare, you for  transportation to Vandenberg AFB.

Bon Voyage and don't forget to write. ;D


 
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: legion on May 16, 2015, 04:44:46 AM

i would like to ask Papa and legion a question: What shape do you think the earth is?
You both say that you aren't flat-earthers. You also both say that round-earthers have no place on these fora.
If you are correct in both of these statements, then you are round-earthers, and therefore don't belong here.

FYI: Im on this forum because of the same reason as I read the Bible.
I don't agree with the content contained within, but the opposing point of view interests me.

I can't speak for Papa Legba, but I don't see why someone needs to be either a flat earther or a round earther. It's a textbook example of the false dilemna fallacy:

Quote
A false dilemma (also called black-and-white thinking, bifurcation, denying a conjunct, the either–or fallacy, false dichotomy, fallacy of exhaustive hypotheses, the fallacy of false choice, the fallacy of the false alternative, or the fallacy of the excluded middle) is a type of informal fallacy that involves a situation in which only limited alternatives are considered, when in fact there is at least one additional option. The opposite of this fallacy is argument to moderation.

-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma)


Simply put, I don't have enough information to be sure whether those are the only two options. And for the last few years I've leaned heavily towards the simulation hypothesis which makes such questions redundant.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on May 16, 2015, 05:08:14 AM
This has to be one of the worst threads on the internet.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: ZennerOne on May 16, 2015, 05:31:46 AM
I can't speak for Papa Legba, but I don't see why someone needs to be either a flat earther or a round earther. It's a textbook example of the false dilemma fallacy.

One has to be either a RE'r or a FE'r in the same way that one believes in gravity, or one doesn't.  You are misinterpreting the false dilemma fallacy.

A false dilemma, or more correctly a false dichotomy, is a logical fallacy which involves presenting only two opposing viewpoints in such a way that they seem to be the only two possibilities: that is, if one is true, the other must be false;  there is no third or additional option available here.  Dichotomy means two parts.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: legion on May 16, 2015, 07:56:15 AM
This has to be one of the worst threads on the internet.

Only a troll would feel the need to post that.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: legion on May 16, 2015, 07:59:09 AM
I can't speak for Papa Legba, but I don't see why someone needs to be either a flat earther or a round earther. It's a textbook example of the false dilemma fallacy.

One has to be either a RE'r or a FE'r in the same way that one believes in gravity, or one doesn't.  You are misinterpreting the false dilemma fallacy.

A false dilemma, or more correctly a false dichotomy, is a logical fallacy which involves presenting only two opposing viewpoints in such a way that they seem to be the only two possibilities: that is, if one is true, the other must be false;  there is no third or additional option available here.  Dichotomy means two parts.

I suggest you re-read your post to detect your blatant contradiction. I've helpfully made it bold for you.

 I'm sure in the days when the earth was assumed to be flat, things still fell to the ground when dropped. Or do you challenge that?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: GypsyHunter on May 16, 2015, 08:16:13 AM
Is this actually real?
Are there actually people dumb enough to stare proven facts in the face and reject them?
While still believing in the magical talking snake and such fairy tales?

I see we're going to be good friends. I use extremely dumb christians against their self to kill religion all together :)
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: legion on May 16, 2015, 08:18:56 AM
Is this actually real?
Are there actually people dumb enough to stare proven facts in the face and reject them?
While still believing in the magical talking snake and such fairy tales?

I see we're going to be good friends. I use extremely dumb christians against their self to kill religion all together :)

Oh great. Another troll, or an alt. of an existing troll.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: GypsyHunter on May 16, 2015, 08:25:11 AM
Not at all a 'troll'
Unless you feel trolled when confronted with facts and logic?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on May 16, 2015, 10:23:39 AM
This has to be one of the worst threads on the internet.

Only a troll would feel the need to post that.
Or someone who thinks this thread is just terrible.

Legion, you are just awful at debating.  It's like watching a drunk man on some greasy stairs: amusing at first, then just tragic.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Rama Set on May 16, 2015, 10:50:53 AM
I can't speak for Papa Legba, but I don't see why someone needs to be either a flat earther or a round earther. It's a textbook example of the false dilemma fallacy.

One has to be either a RE'r or a FE'r in the same way that one believes in gravity, or one doesn't.  You are misinterpreting the false dilemma fallacy.

A false dilemma, or more correctly a false dichotomy, is a logical fallacy which involves presenting only two opposing viewpoints in such a way that they seem to be the only two possibilities: that is, if one is true, the other must be false;  there is no third or additional option available here.  Dichotomy means two parts.


I suggest you re-read your post to detect your blatant contradiction. I've helpfully made it bold for you.

 I'm sure in the days when the earth was assumed to be flat, things still fell to the ground when dropped. Or do you challenge that?

Zenner One was not correlating gravity with the shape of the Earth. This would be a straw man.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: legion on May 16, 2015, 12:10:42 PM
I can't speak for Papa Legba, but I don't see why someone needs to be either a flat earther or a round earther. It's a textbook example of the false dilemma fallacy.

One has to be either a RE'r or a FE'r in the same way that one believes in gravity, or one doesn't.  You are misinterpreting the false dilemma fallacy.

A false dilemma, or more correctly a false dichotomy, is a logical fallacy which involves presenting only two opposing viewpoints in such a way that they seem to be the only two possibilities: that is, if one is true, the other must be false;  there is no third or additional option available here.  Dichotomy means two parts.


I suggest you re-read your post to detect your blatant contradiction. I've helpfully made it bold for you.

 I'm sure in the days when the earth was assumed to be flat, things still fell to the ground when dropped. Or do you challenge that?

Zenner One was not correlating gravity with the shape of the Earth. This would be a straw man.

I see you're having another one of your off days. You know, when your brain lets you down.


One has to be either a RE'r or a FE'r in the same way that one believes in gravity, or one doesn't.

That is the false dilemna fallacy. No strawman in sight. Except from you, of course.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: legion on May 16, 2015, 12:27:59 PM
This has to be one of the worst threads on the internet.

Only a troll would feel the need to post that.
Or someone who thinks this thread is just terrible.

Legion, you are just awful at debating.  It's like watching a drunk man on some greasy stairs: amusing at first, then just tragic.

Your opinion of my debating skills is irrelevant. You are starting to remind me of inquisitive. At least he has/had a theme, though.

Worthy adversaries are getting harder to come by on this site. Maybe it's time for all the old ladies to bugger off?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Quail on May 16, 2015, 01:26:48 PM
I don't get the premise and point of this thread. It's not like official space agencies are a obvious scam just because the technology obsessed people of the 1960s made some eager and inaccurate predictions due to the technological jump caused by the Cold War.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Rama Set on May 16, 2015, 03:48:14 PM
I can't speak for Papa Legba, but I don't see why someone needs to be either a flat earther or a round earther. It's a textbook example of the false dilemma fallacy.

One has to be either a RE'r or a FE'r in the same way that one believes in gravity, or one doesn't.  You are misinterpreting the false dilemma fallacy.

A false dilemma, or more correctly a false dichotomy, is a logical fallacy which involves presenting only two opposing viewpoints in such a way that they seem to be the only two possibilities: that is, if one is true, the other must be false;  there is no third or additional option available here.  Dichotomy means two parts.


I suggest you re-read your post to detect your blatant contradiction. I've helpfully made it bold for you.

 I'm sure in the days when the earth was assumed to be flat, things still fell to the ground when dropped. Or do you challenge that?

Zenner One was not correlating gravity with the shape of the Earth. This would be a straw man.

I see you're having another one of your off days. You know, when your brain lets you down.


One has to be either a RE'r or a FE'r in the same way that one believes in gravity, or one doesn't.

That is the false dilemna fallacy. No strawman in sight. Except from you, of course.
So you did not understand what I said, fascinating.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: mikeman7918 on May 16, 2015, 05:06:03 PM
One has to be either a RE'r or a FE'r in the same way that one believes in gravity, or one doesn't.

There have been people who have come to the forum and said that they don't know if the Earth is round or flat, not to mention there are also toroidal earthers (Dinosaur Neil) and concave earthers (TheTruthSeeker).
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: iWitness on May 16, 2015, 10:15:09 PM
Is this actually real?
Are there actually people dumb enough to stare proven facts in the face and reject them?
While still believing in the magical talking snake and such fairy tales?

I see we're going to be good friends. I use extremely dumb christians against their self to kill religion all together :)

Parrots can talk so what? And you can stick your willy in a woman's pee hole and a baby pops out! Tell me that isn't magical? That's the problem with you atheists is you act like everything just works for no reason whatsoever. You think you are so smart but have no idea what you are doing here. Give me a break.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: mikeman7918 on May 16, 2015, 10:25:42 PM
Insulting Atheists.  That's not very Christlike of you iWitness, you are a Christian right?  I am a Christian too and yet I believe that the Earth is round and that science is real, none of that stuff contradicts Crhistian beliefs.  Fun fact: the Bible actually says that when Gid created the world all the land was in one place before he spread it out and science only recently discovered using satellites that tectonic plates move around and that all of Earth's land used to be all in one supercontinent.  Again, this was discovered with satellites which you believe don't exist, and if NASA is made up of satanists then why would they fake data which supports the Bible?

Here is a question that I have asked you many times without receiving any answers: the model you believe in can't explain time zones, does that mean that you believe that time zones don't exist?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: iWitness on May 16, 2015, 10:40:26 PM
Insulting Atheists.  That's not very Christlike of you iWitness, you are a Christian right?  I am a Christian too and yet I believe that the Earth is round and that science is real, none of that stuff contradicts Crhistian beliefs.  Fun fact: the Bible actually says that when Gid created the world all the land was in one place before he spread it out and science only recently discovered using satellites that tectonic plates move around and that all of Earth's land used to be all in one supercontinent.  Again, this was discovered with satellites which you believe don't exist, and if NASA is made up of satanists then why would they fake data which supports the Bible?

Here is a question that I have asked you many times without receiving any answers: the model you believe in can't explain time zones, does that mean that you believe that time zones don't exist?

Do you know Christ? Because the Jesus I know flipped tables in the Synagogues and called the Pharisees "Hypocrites" and "Children of Vipers".

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“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but within are full of dead people's bones and all uncleanness.
Matthew 23:27
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: mikeman7918 on May 17, 2015, 12:40:09 AM
The Pharisees mentioned in the Bible were simply people like you who were very bashful.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: ZennerOne on May 17, 2015, 09:12:53 AM
I'm sure in the days when the earth was assumed to be flat, things still fell to the ground when dropped. Or do you challenge that?

Why is it that whenever a flat earther is backed into a corner without an answer, they invariably introduce a straw man to muddy the waters?  As per "or do you challenge that"?  This is simply putting a non-existent question into the mouth of somebody else, and then expecting them to try and address it, thereby hiding their own lack of a response to the original question.  Magicians call it "misdirection" and this guy LEGION is a master of the art I have noticed.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: iWitness on May 17, 2015, 10:01:22 AM
The Pharisees mentioned in the Bible were simply people like you who were very bashful.

Ok now you're just being ridiculous. It's obvious you're a troll/shill so I'm not wasting any more time with you. But I want to give you one last chance to prove you really are a Christian on the FES forums that believes the Earth is a Ball.

Can you provide your best verses that prove the earth is a ball that spins around the sun?

Afterwhich I will provide the verses that are the basis for my beliefs. If you can't provide any verses then I'm done with you.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: ZennerOne on May 17, 2015, 11:01:32 AM
Can you provide your best verses that prove the earth is a ball that spins around the sun?

This is a nonsensical request.  The Abrahamic bible is NOT acknowledged as any sort of scientific text by any scholar or scientist in the world. One cannot utilise biblical scripture as supporting "evidence" in any 21st-century debate involving scientific principles.  The bible is nothing more than a historical book written to reflect the times 2,500 years ago, long before confirmatory astrophysics were developed in any major way.

Which is why the bible repeatedly claims that the earth is flat.  To the camel-jockeys who wrote it, it looked flat, therefore it WAS flat.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: legion on May 17, 2015, 01:18:35 PM
I'm sure in the days when the earth was assumed to be flat, things still fell to the ground when dropped. Or do you challenge that?

Why is it that whenever a flat earther is backed into a corner without an answer, they invariably introduce a straw man to muddy the waters?  As per "or do you challenge that"?  This is simply putting a non-existent question into the mouth of somebody else, and then expecting them to try and address it, thereby hiding their own lack of a response to the original question.  Magicians call it "misdirection" and this guy LEGION is a master of the art I have noticed.

I'm legion. Not LEGION or legion. And I'm not a flat earther.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: mikeman7918 on May 17, 2015, 01:37:35 PM
The Pharisees mentioned in the Bible were simply people like you who were very bashful.

Ok now you're just being ridiculous. It's obvious you're a troll/shill so I'm not wasting any more time with you. But I want to give you one last chance to prove you really are a Christian on the FES forums that believes the Earth is a Ball.

Can you provide your best verses that prove the earth is a ball that spins around the sun?

Afterwhich I will provide the verses that are the basis for my beliefs. If you can't provide any verses then I'm done with you.

The Bible mentions many times that the Earth is a circle, but at the time ut was written there was no word to discribe a sphere.  A sphere does look circular from all directions, and if they were trying to communicate that the Eartg is a flat disk then they probobaly would have used the word "flat" to describe it.  Flat is definitely a word they had at the time because it's used 3 times in the Bible, and if the world was really flat then why wouldn't they discribe it as such?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Scroto Gaggins on May 17, 2015, 04:17:42 PM
I'm sure in the days when the earth was assumed to be flat, things still fell to the ground when dropped. Or do you challenge that?

Why is it that whenever a flat earther is backed into a corner without an answer, they invariably introduce a straw man to muddy the waters?  As per "or do you challenge that"?  This is simply putting a non-existent question into the mouth of somebody else, and then expecting them to try and address it, thereby hiding their own lack of a response to the original question.  Magicians call it "misdirection" and this guy LEGION is a master of the art I have noticed.

I'm legion. Not LEGION or legion. And I'm not a flat earther.
So, legion. What shape do you think the earth is? You must have an opinion, do you not?
It isn't unreasonable to assume that there are indeed sides in this debate.
You can either think that the earth is a. Round b. Flat c. Something else entirely
Because after all, the shape of the earth isn't subjective.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: hoppy on May 17, 2015, 04:39:34 PM
The Pharisees mentioned in the Bible were simply people like you who were very bashful.

Ok now you're just being ridiculous. It's obvious you're a troll/shill so I'm not wasting any more time with you. But I want to give you one last chance to prove you really are a Christian on the FES forums that believes the Earth is a Ball.

Can you provide your best verses that prove the earth is a ball that spins around the sun?

Afterwhich I will provide the verses that are the basis for my beliefs. If you can't provide any verses then I'm done with you.

The Bible mentions many times that the Earth is a circle, but at the time ut was written there was no word to discribe a sphere.  A sphere does look circular from all directions, and if they were trying to communicate that the Eartg is a flat disk then they probobaly would have used the word "flat" to describe it.  Flat is definitely a word they had at the time because it's used 3 times in the Bible, and if the world was really flat then why wouldn't they discribe it as such?
C'mon mikey, even you know that circles are flat.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: mikeman7918 on May 17, 2015, 04:47:39 PM
The Pharisees mentioned in the Bible were simply people like you who were very bashful.

Ok now you're just being ridiculous. It's obvious you're a troll/shill so I'm not wasting any more time with you. But I want to give you one last chance to prove you really are a Christian on the FES forums that believes the Earth is a Ball.

Can you provide your best verses that prove the earth is a ball that spins around the sun?

Afterwhich I will provide the verses that are the basis for my beliefs. If you can't provide any verses then I'm done with you.

The Bible mentions many times that the Earth is a circle, but at the time ut was written there was no word to discribe a sphere.  A sphere does look circular from all directions, and if they were trying to communicate that the Eartg is a flat disk then they probobaly would have used the word "flat" to describe it.  Flat is definitely a word they had at the time because it's used 3 times in the Bible, and if the world was really flat then why wouldn't they discribe it as such?
C'mon mikey, even you know that circles are flat.

But in the time the Bible was written there was no word for sphere and the shape of an orange was refereed to as a circle.  The shape of the Earth is described with the same word they would use to describe the shape of an orange.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 18, 2015, 12:06:49 PM
Good evening & shut up.

For Lo! It is I; Papa Legba, returned in all my splendiferous eloquence, armed with a mighty Staff - made of Truth & the size of a House - that none but I can wield...

The subject of False Analogies has been much on my mind of late; why are NASA-cultists so fond of them (Australia lol)?

& why are they so blind to them?

Research was needed; so I dug deep into the guts of the Great Working that is NASA until I finally found the origin for the Cultists obstinacy.

& that is because the entirety of NASA's space-mythos is founded upon The Mother of all False Analogies...

Time to raise my Fearful Staff of Truth & Smite this Foul Deception to Smithereens!

NASA explain their model of how rockets work via the following Analogy: A man stands on a skateboard, holding a medicine ball.

The skateboard represents the rocket, the man represents the rocket motor, the ball represents the rocket exhaust.

When the man throws the ball, he travels backwards; this represents the rocket throwing the exhaust mass, thus producing an action-reaction pair according to Newton's 3rd.

However, this is FALSE.

In fact, it is the man's ARM, in throwing (i.e. imparting THRUST upon) the ball, that represents the exhaust; whilst the BALL represents an external mass such as the atmosphere.

Thus, we see the true placement of the action-reaction, Newton's 3rd, pairing is between Exhaust & External mass, NOT between Exhaust & Rocket motor; in fact the latter makes no sense whatsoever if considered logically.

Want more proof? Imagine the man & his ball suspended from a rope, so he throws the ball DOWNWARDS (after all, rockets travel vertically do they not?). When he does so, little effect will be seen, yet lower him so that his ARMS can touch the MASS of the ground & he will be able to THRUST himself up, producing LIFT.

Ergo: rockets require an outside mass in order to function, so cannot work in a vacuum.

Space travel is a physical impossibility.

You can howl, nitpick, cry, abuse, deride; but whatever you try, nothing will change that.

I told you before: I am not here to 'respond' or 'debate'; no, I am here to open doorways.

Enter; do not enter; the choice is yours.

Just remember the immortal words of the great Stanley Laurel: 'You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be led'.

What are YOU, space-cultists?

Horses?

Or Pencils?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: JimmyTheCrab on May 18, 2015, 12:09:58 PM
Good evening & shut up.

Ha! Nice start.  tl&dr for the rest though - try to keep your trolling snappy.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: legion on May 18, 2015, 12:13:11 PM
Good evening & shut up.

Ha! Nice start.  tl&dr for the rest though - try to keep your trolling snappy.

Or more likely; reading more than a couple of lines hurts your feeble, indoctrinated brain.

Back under your bridge you silly little troll.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 18, 2015, 12:32:11 PM
Imitation is, as ever, the sincerest form of flattery, Mr Butt-hurt Crab.

Care to address my comprehensive destruction of NASA's blatantly mendacious analogy?

Nah, didn't think so...

Definitely a Horse.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: legion on May 18, 2015, 12:48:57 PM
Newton's first law is also worth considering for anyone believing in all the space adventure nonsense:

"An object that is at rest will stay at rest unless an external force acts upon it." and,
"An object that is in motion will not change its velocity unless an external force acts upon it."

So you have the problem of what force gives the initial and ongoing (whilst in motion) momentum (which must be external). There is lots of comedy as "educational" and "scientific" sites try to explain how that applies to rockets:

http://www.livescience.com/46561-newton-third-law.html: (http://www.livescience.com/46561-newton-third-law.html:)

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How, then, can a rocket move through space if there is nothing for it to push against? When the fuel is ignited in the rocket nozzle, the gas expands rapidly in all directions. Some of it goes backwards and has no effect on the rocket; however, some if it goes forward and crashes into the back of the rocket exerting a force that causes the rocket to accelerate in the forward direction. This is why Newton’s Third Law is considered to be the fundamental principle of rocket science.

That's right readers. The rocket pushes itself along and breaks Newton's first law everytime they go on a space adventure!
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: markjo on May 18, 2015, 12:51:48 PM
Care to address my comprehensive destruction of NASA's blatantly mendacious analogy?

Why bother when you already said:
I told you before: I am not here to 'respond' or 'debate';
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 18, 2015, 12:55:08 PM
 
Care to address my comprehensive destruction of NASA's blatantly mendacious analogy?

I have no knowledge of, or experience of space-travel & thus my word on the subject is worthless.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 18, 2015, 01:02:29 PM
Markjo27000: LOL! Nice try.

Knew YOU couldn't do it.

Cos the truth of what I say is obvious to a child.

Nitpicking, abuse, derision, etc... Keep it up.

NASA's GREAT LIE is laid bare for all to see who wish to see; that you would not be one of them is no surprise.

None at all.

Bijane: LOL! I just said that rockets CANNOT TRAVEL TO SPACE; therefore no experience of 'space-travel' is necessary to speak of or understand them.

You've brought back the Comedy Gold!!!!

Aaaaaw...

Now try harder.

Horse...
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: markjo on May 18, 2015, 01:07:28 PM
Markjo27000: LOL! Nice try.

Knew YOU couldn't do it.
Of course I could, but I chose not to waste my effort throwing pearls before a swine.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 18, 2015, 01:12:06 PM
Yes, markjo27000; OF COURSE you could...

LOL!

Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: legion on May 18, 2015, 01:19:21 PM
Markjo27000: LOL! Nice try.

Knew YOU couldn't do it.
Of course I could, but I chose not to waste my effort throwing pearls before a swine.

I would have thought you'd jump at the chance to point out the errors in space adventure disbelievers. But instead you've decided to say...

nothing.

Very clever, markjo. Bravo.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 18, 2015, 01:20:45 PM
Remember what I said about NASA breaking ALL the laws of physics, markjo27000?

Or have you not learnt what the word 'ALL' means yet, Mr. High&Mighty Happy-Fascist?

Take your time....
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: markjo on May 18, 2015, 01:23:31 PM
Markjo27000: LOL! Nice try.

Knew YOU couldn't do it.
Of course I could, but I chose not to waste my effort throwing pearls before a swine.

I would have thought you'd jump at the chance to point out the errors in space adventure disbelievers.
Normally, I would.  However, Papa has demonstrated time and time again that he is not interested in anything that anyone has to say, so why should I bother wasting my time indulging him?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: legion on May 18, 2015, 01:25:38 PM
markjo: Computer, what do I say to non-believers who bring up Newtons laws?

computer: Tell them about how the rocket exhaust pushes the rocket along.

markjo: Goddammit! They already know that's complete bollocks!

computer: Tell them you wouldn't throw pearls before a swine.

markjo: Thanks. That might work...
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 18, 2015, 01:36:10 PM
Ah, forget markjo; I hate him anyway.

Good riddance.

Surely someone else here can debunk my obvious troll-post though?

I mean, how hard can it be? You got every 'rocket-scientist' in the world backing you up...

Wait! Don't tell me Santa ain't real after all?

Oh, no!









LOL!!!!!
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 18, 2015, 02:25:52 PM
Surely someone else here can debunk my obvious troll-post though?
What would the point be? You're not even entertaining.
(I'll give you a start though: the rocket fuel is not physically part of the rocket, it is separate).
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: FalseProphet on May 18, 2015, 02:36:18 PM


In fact, it is the man's ARM, in throwing (i.e. imparting THRUST upon) the ball, that represents the exhaust; whilst the BALL represents an external mass such as the atmosphere.

no, the ball represents the exhaust. the atmosphere represents the atmosphere.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: mikeman7918 on May 18, 2015, 04:19:56 PM
Good evening & shut up.

For Lo! It is I; Papa Legba, returned in all my splendiferous eloquence, armed with a mighty Staff - made of Truth & the size of a House - that none but I can wield...

LOL, as if you have any splendiferous eloquence and tell the truth.

NASA explain their model of how rockets work via the following Analogy: A man stands on a skateboard, holding a medicine ball.

The skateboard represents the rocket, the man represents the rocket motor, the ball represents the rocket exhaust.

When the man throws the ball, he travels backwards; this represents the rocket throwing the exhaust mass, thus producing an action-reaction pair according to Newton's 3rd.

However, this is FALSE.

In fact, it is the man's ARM, in throwing (i.e. imparting THRUST upon) the ball, that represents the exhaust; whilst the BALL represents an external mass such as the atmosphere.

If that's the case then thy to move a skate board by moving your hand in a throwing motion.  It won't work unless you throw the ball.

Thus, we see the true placement of the action-reaction, Newton's 3rd, pairing is between Exhaust & External mass, NOT between Exhaust & Rocket motor; in fact the latter makes no sense whatsoever if considered logically.

Want more proof? Imagine the man & his ball suspended from a rope, so he throws the ball DOWNWARDS (after all, rockets travel vertically do they not?).

Rockets work the same no matter what direction they face.

When he does so, little effect will be seen, yet lower him so that his ARMS can touch the MASS of the ground & he will be able to THRUST himself up, producing LIFT.

That's because throwing a medicine ball does not produce enough lift to lift you off the ground.  It will produce vertical thrust, but it's canceled out by gravity.  If his arms touch the ground then that's one way he can propel himself, but that doesn't disprove any other propulsion methods.

Ergo: rockets require an outside mass in order to function, so cannot work in a vacuum.

Space travel is a physical impossibility.

I have launched model rockets myself and they work, in fact I can calculate their exact thrust using Newtonian laws of motion.

You can howl, nitpick, cry, abuse, deride; but whatever you try, nothing will change that.

I can probably quote 100 instances where flat earthers cherry pick evidence, 2 of which are linked in my forum signature.  I bet you can't tell me one instance where a round earther ignores evidence.

Just remember the immortal words of the great Stanley Laurel: 'You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be led'.

What are YOU, space-cultists?

Horses?

Or Pencils?

That analogy makes no sense.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 18, 2015, 08:58:46 PM
So mikeman.nasa.cult; now you have launched rockets into space?

Or did you just launch them within earth's atmosphere, where, as I stated, they have an outside mass to thrust against?

Thus proving NOTHING.

As for Mr. Laurel's profound statement; it makes just as much sense as NASA's rocketry-FAIL analogy.

But is far funnier...

Everyone else: the medicine ball represents a MASS, against which the man's arm, which represents the rocket's exhaust column, THRUSTS, thus producing an action/reaction pairing.

It's not hard; you can do it...

The doorway is open.

Yet, inevitably, you will prefer to descend into reductio ad absurdum than to face the truth.

Because you are insane.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: mikeman7918 on May 18, 2015, 10:23:11 PM
So mikeman.nasa.cult; now you have launched rockets into space?

Or did you just launch them within earth's atmosphere, where, as I stated, they have an outside mass to thrust against?

Thus proving NOTHING.

As for Mr. Laurel's profound statement; it makes just as much sense as NASA's rocketry-FAIL analogy.

But is far funnier...

Everyone else: the medicine ball represents a MASS, against which the man's arm, which represents the rocket's exhaust column, THRUSTS, thus producing an action/reaction pairing.

It's not hard; you can do it...

The doorway is open.

Yet, inevitably, you will prefer to descend into reductio ad absurdum than to face the truth.

Because you are insane.

To help prove the basic laws of motion I would like you to consider the following experiment.

Say you are floating in the water in a light weight inflatable raft of some sort and your raft is touching a dock you want to get off at.  As you move towards the dock the raft (which is lighter then you) will move back a lot more then you move forward and when you try to go towards the dock you only move towards it a bit while the raft moves in the opisite direction.  I have personally been in such a scenario and I am willing to bet that you have too.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Quail on May 18, 2015, 10:32:10 PM
So mikeman.nasa.cult; now you have launched rockets into space?

Or did you just launch them within earth's atmosphere, where, as I stated, they have an outside mass to thrust against?

Thus proving NOTHING.

As for Mr. Laurel's profound statement; it makes just as much sense as NASA's rocketry-FAIL analogy.

But is far funnier...

Everyone else: the medicine ball represents a MASS, against which the man's arm, which represents the rocket's exhaust column, THRUSTS, thus producing an action/reaction pairing.

It's not hard; you can do it...

The doorway is open.

Yet, inevitably, you will prefer to descend into reductio ad absurdum than to face the truth.

Because you are insane.

Rocket engines do not thrust against anything. They propel themselves by expelling mass at extremely high speeds in one direction.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: dephelis on May 19, 2015, 02:03:11 AM
stick your willy in a woman's pee hole and a baby pops out! Tell me that isn't magical?

That would be magical. However, I recommend you aim for the vagina - it's far more effective as well as being significantly less uncomfortable for your partner.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 19, 2015, 12:07:28 PM
Bijane wrote: 'the rocket fuel is not physically part of the rocket, it is separate'

Really?

Because last I looked, the solid-fuel rocket boosters of the space shuttle came in pre-formed steel segments into which the solid fuel was already tightly packed.

It is hard to imagine a scenario where the fuel was LESS 'physically part of the rocket' than that.

Perhaps you can enlighten us as to wtf you are babbling about, Little Miss foot-in-mouth disease?

As to the rest of you: learn to read.

& mikeman.nasa.dolt; stop trying to 'prove' ONE crappy false analogy by spamming out ANOTHER, you broke-brained loser.

Now try harder.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: legion on May 19, 2015, 12:15:43 PM
Rocket engines do not thrust against anything. They propel themselves by expelling mass at extremely high speeds in one direction.

That's fascinating quail. That answers all questions anyone could have on the subject, doesn't it?

Tit.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 19, 2015, 12:25:45 PM
The point I raise is: where does the action/reaction pairing occur in order to give thrust to a rocket?

I say it occurs between the rocket exhaust column & an outside mass i.e. the atmosphere or ground.

NASA says it occurs between the rocket &... erm... itself. Somehow.

Who is right?

Me?

Or the Liars?

William Blake wrote: 'The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water & breeds reptiles of the mind'.

Is that your problem, space-cultists?

Do you have REPTILES?

In your MINDS?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 19, 2015, 12:40:56 PM
Really?

Because last I looked, the solid-fuel rocket boosters of the space shuttle came in pre-formed steel segments into which the solid fuel was already tightly packed.

It is hard to imagine a scenario where the fuel was LESS 'physically part of the rocket' than that.
Let's see. Can you spot a difference between the rocket, and the rocket fuel?
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/gif/2015/03/SLSQM-1-opt.gif)
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 19, 2015, 12:47:41 PM
Bijane: are you saying that the fuel inside a space shuttle solid-fuel booster IS NOT physically part of the rocket?

Simply answer 'yes' or 'no', then we can let the neutral observer decide who is right.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 19, 2015, 12:52:19 PM
Bijane: are you saying that the fuel inside a space shuttle solid-fuel booster IS NOT physically part of the rocket?
That would be a valid question if anyone has ever proposed the fuel was staying inside the space shuttle.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 19, 2015, 01:03:33 PM
Bijane said: 'the rocket fuel is not physically part of the rocket, it is separate'.

I showed it was not.

She is now trying to say she was referring to the EXHAUSTED fuel; this is a LIE.

Bad Bijane.

& markjo; stop retro-editing your posts, you utterly creepy mental-case.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: markjo on May 19, 2015, 01:07:54 PM
markjo: Computer, what do I say to non-believers who bring up Newtons laws?
I would tell them that if they need to resort to willfully misrepresenting Newton's laws, then there really isn't much point in continuing. 

This thread has already gone 30 pages of trying to explain why one doesn't need to personally go to space in order to be able to get an idea of what it's like out there.  I don't see how another 30 pages of trying to explain how rocket engines work to someone who chooses not to understand will do anyone any good.  I've already been through this sort of thing with sceptimatic and with Anders and I'm not sure if I can force myself to care enough to try it again with Papa.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 19, 2015, 01:13:17 PM
Bijane said: 'the rocket fuel is not physically part of the rocket, it is separate'.

I showed it was not.

She is now trying to say she was referring to the EXHAUSTED fuel; this is a LIE.

So, focusing on semantics instead? Well, not surprised.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 19, 2015, 01:20:24 PM
Markjo: well STFU & get back in your fouled-diaper-encrusted, retro-editing, thoroughly creepy, strength-through-joy hugbox then.

You are neither wanted nor needed & your contributions will NOT be missed.

My point is that neither you, NASA, or many others here are capable of applying Newton's 3rd Law correctly to the subject of rocket propulsion.

I aim to help you think correctly.

The doorway is open...

& bijane; not quite comedy gold, but LOL!!!!

YOU are the one employing semantic tricks, to get out of the mess you got yourself into with your stupid statement about fuel not being part of a rocket!

Jesus! Grow up, the lot of you...
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Slemon on May 19, 2015, 01:21:36 PM
& bijane; not quite comedy gold, but LOL!!!!

Your trolling's very far from comedy gold too. Just obnoxious at this point. I suggest a little bit of freshness, try to actually be somewhat entertaining.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: legion on May 19, 2015, 01:24:42 PM
markjo: Computer, what do I say to non-believers who bring up Newtons laws?
I would tell them that if they need to resort to willfully misrepresenting Newton's laws, then there really isn't much point in continuing. 

This thread has already gone 30 pages of trying to explain why one doesn't need to personally go to space in order to be able to get an idea of what it's like out there.  I don't see how another 30 pages of trying to explain how rocket engines work to someone who chooses not to understand will do anyone any good.  I've already been through this sort of thing with sceptimatic and with Anders and I'm not sure if I can force myself to care enough to try it again with Papa.

It's not just Papa who sees that Newton's laws are regularly being violated by space adventures. Let me repeat:

Law 1. An object will remain at rest, or continue in motion, unless acted upon by an external force.
Law 2. F=MA
Law 3. To every action there is always opposed an equal reaction: or the mutual actions of two bodies upon each other are always equal, and directed to contrary parts.

Do you see the problems in respect of laws 1 and 3?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Quail on May 19, 2015, 01:29:30 PM
Markjo: well STFU & get back in your fouled-diaper-encrusted, retro-editing, thoroughly creepy, strength-through-joy hugbox then.

You are neither wanted nor needed & your contributions will NOT be missed.

My point is that neither you, NASA, or many others here are capable of applying Newton's 3rd Law correctly to the subject of rocket propulsion.

I aim to help you think correctly.

The doorway is open...

& bijane; not quite comedy gold, but LOL!!!!

YOU are the one employing semantic tricks, to get out of the mess you got yourself into with your stupid statement about fuel not being part of a rocket!

Jesus! Grow up, the lot of you...

Rockets produce thrust by expelling mass at high velocity in a focused direction. Not a single law of physics says that it needs something to push against. Rockets aren't propeller engines, you know? The fuel is the reaction mass of the rocket. It gets combusted, which causes it to expand and be deflected away at high speed by the nozzle, producing thrust. The rocket produces thrust, and looses mass. There is nothing that violates any of the laws of physics here.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 19, 2015, 01:32:48 PM
Oh, & let's not forget the Joules-Thompson Effect, i.e. Free Expansion Of Gas In a Vacuum; THAT has a few nasty implications for NASA's GAS-powered rockets too.

Learnt the meaning of the word 'ALL' yet, markjo?

Or am I casting Pearls before Swine?

& quail: WHERE is the thrust produced?

WHERE is the action/reaction pairing situated, PRECISELY please?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 19, 2015, 01:41:20 PM
Oh, btw Legion; NASA violate Newton Law 2 as well, & in a particularly LOL way.

But we'll get to that eventually...

In the meantime, shall we stick to finding precisely where the action-reaction pairing occurs in a rocket in order for it to produce thrust?

Inquiring minds wish to know!
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Quail on May 19, 2015, 01:45:15 PM
Oh, & let's not forget the Joules-Thompson Effect, i.e. Free Expansion Of Gas In a Vacuum; THAT has a few nasty implications for NASA's GAS-powered rockets too.

Learnt the meaning of the word 'ALL' yet, markjo?

Or am I casting Pearls before Swine?

& quail: WHERE is the thrust produced?

WHERE is the action/reaction pairing situated, PRECISELY please?

The action is the fuel being combusted and deflected out of the nozzle. The reaction is the rocket being pushed by the exhaust.

Throwing something heavy and feeling how you get pushed back is pretty much the same, without the combustion and deflection part.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 19, 2015, 01:53:53 PM
Did you actually READ my earlier posts?

Or are you just quoting wikipedia?

State what the exhaust column reacts against in order to transfer force back to the rocket, please?

Otherwise, WHERE is the action-reaction pairing created?

Just ANSWER ffs!
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Quail on May 19, 2015, 01:56:35 PM
Did you actually READ my earlier posts?

Or are you just quoting wikipedia?

State what the exhaust column reacts against in order to transfer force back to the rocket, please?

Otherwise, WHERE is the action-reaction pairing created?

Just ANSWER ffs!
The rocket looses mass which is propelled out, and the exhaust also pushes the rocket as it gets defected in the nozzle. There is pressure in the nozzle, which also pushes the rocket.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: sceptimatic on May 19, 2015, 02:26:56 PM
Papa is trying to tell you globalists about the lies you adhere to from the fantasy rocket science world.

Here's a video that you should all observe and ABSORB. If this doesn't help you grasp the truth then you have no desire to grasp it and are best left in your slumber or deliberate lie, whichever fits you.

(http://)
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: markjo on May 19, 2015, 08:20:50 PM
It's not just Papa who sees that Newton's laws are regularly being violated by space adventures. Let me repeat:

Law 1. An object will remain at rest, or continue in motion, unless acted upon by an external force.
Law 2. F=MA
Law 3. To every action there is always opposed an equal reaction: or the mutual actions of two bodies upon each other are always equal, and directed to contrary parts.

Do you see the problems in respect of laws 1 and 3?
No, I don't.  Would you please explain the problems?


State what the exhaust column reacts against in order to transfer force back to the rocket, please?
It doesn't.

Otherwise, WHERE is the action-reaction pairing created?
The action/reaction pairing is occurring within the rocket engine itself.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Son of Orospu on May 19, 2015, 08:31:52 PM
Papa Legba, one more breach of the rules and you will be banned.  Final warning
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Mainframes on May 20, 2015, 02:22:34 AM
Did you actually READ my earlier posts?

Or are you just quoting wikipedia?

State what the exhaust column reacts against in order to transfer force back to the rocket, please?

Otherwise, WHERE is the action-reaction pairing created?

Just ANSWER ffs!

It is the simple application of conservation of momentum.

The rocket ejects mass out the back at high speed, and conservation of momentum requires that the rocket itself is accelerated forward by the same change in momentum. Example:

Rocket and fuel weigh 100kg. Velocity 0ms. Total momentum 0kg.m/s

90kg of fuel expelled out back at 100m/s. Fuel momentum is 90x100 = 9,000 kg.m/s therefore
Rocket must have momentum of 9,000kg.m/s in opposite direction. Rocket now weighs 10kg therefore velocity = 9,000/10 = 900m/s.

Simple.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: legion on May 20, 2015, 05:17:52 AM
Did you actually READ my earlier posts?

Or are you just quoting wikipedia?

State what the exhaust column reacts against in order to transfer force back to the rocket, please?

Otherwise, WHERE is the action-reaction pairing created?

Just ANSWER ffs!

It is the simple application of conservation of momentum.

The rocket ejects mass out the back at high speed, and conservation of momentum requires that the rocket itself is accelerated forward by the same change in momentum. Example:

Rocket and fuel weigh 100kg. Velocity 0ms. Total momentum 0kg.m/s

90kg of fuel expelled out back at 100m/s. Fuel momentum is 90x100 = 9,000 kg.m/s therefore
Rocket must have momentum of 9,000kg.m/s in opposite direction. Rocket now weighs 10kg therefore velocity = 9,000/10 = 900m/s.

Simple.

Conservation of momentum only applies to a closed system. One which does not exchange matter with its surrroundings:

Quote
In a closed system (one that does not exchange any matter with its surroundings and is not acted on by external forces) the total momentum is constant. This fact, known as the law of conservation of momentum, is implied by Newton's laws of motion

--http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Momentum#Conservation


Try again.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: markjo on May 20, 2015, 05:29:23 AM
Did you actually READ my earlier posts?

Or are you just quoting wikipedia?

State what the exhaust column reacts against in order to transfer force back to the rocket, please?

Otherwise, WHERE is the action-reaction pairing created?

Just ANSWER ffs!

It is the simple application of conservation of momentum.

The rocket ejects mass out the back at high speed, and conservation of momentum requires that the rocket itself is accelerated forward by the same change in momentum. Example:

Rocket and fuel weigh 100kg. Velocity 0ms. Total momentum 0kg.m/s

90kg of fuel expelled out back at 100m/s. Fuel momentum is 90x100 = 9,000 kg.m/s therefore
Rocket must have momentum of 9,000kg.m/s in opposite direction. Rocket now weighs 10kg therefore velocity = 9,000/10 = 900m/s.

Simple.
Since the thrust to weight ratio constantly changes during the burn, this is the formula that you want:
Quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsiolkovsky_rocket_equation
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/9/4/5/945a66bb8ac5a46fd959ab6c12eebb00.png)
Plugging in your numbers would give a delta v of 450 m/s.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Mainframes on May 20, 2015, 11:32:54 AM
To be fair Marko, if they don't understand momentum then the rocket equation is going straight over their heads.

Was trying to provide a very simplistic example.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Mainframes on May 20, 2015, 11:42:00 AM

Conservation of momentum only applies to a closed system. One which does not exchange matter with its surrroundings:

Quote
In a closed system (one that does not exchange any matter with its surroundings and is not acted on by external forces) the total momentum is constant. This fact, known as the law of conservation of momentum, is implied by Newton's laws of motion

--http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Momentum#Conservation


Try again.

Fail. A closed system is defined as the the objects that will undergo either a collision or explosion. So for two objects that are split by an explosive force their net momentum is equal to zero.

External objects are any forces or anything else that could act on the system that are not defined as the system itself.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: sceptimatic on May 20, 2015, 11:48:05 AM

Conservation of momentum only applies to a closed system. One which does not exchange matter with its surrroundings:

Quote
In a closed system (one that does not exchange any matter with its surroundings and is not acted on by external forces) the total momentum is constant. This fact, known as the law of conservation of momentum, is implied by Newton's laws of motion

--http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Momentum#Conservation


Try again.

Fail. A closed system is defined as the the objects that will undergo either a collision or explosion. So for two objects that are split by an explosive force their net momentum is equal to zero.

External objects are any forces or anything else that could act on the system that are not defined as the system itself.
Stop talking out of your arse and just get to the real point or what you're trying to say. No wonder you people have messed up heads.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 20, 2015, 12:12:21 PM
So: the action/reaction pairing occurs within the rocket 'engine' itself.

But WHERE, precisely?

The front?

The back?

Somewhere inbetween?

I say that when a rocket ignites its fuel it creates an ACTION (i.e. exhaust column);

The exhaust column creates a REACTION with an OUTSIDE MASS such as the ground or the atmosphere;

This transfers THRUST back to the base of the rocket, thus fulfilling the dictates of Newtons 3rd.

Stick your hand out of the window of a car travelling at 80mph; you will feel how solid the atmosphere around us can be.

Now imagine what would happen at a velocity similar to that of a rocket exhaust, i.e. 4000+mph.

Plenty enough mass for a rocket to push on...

Except in the VACUUM of space, of course.

& what about Free Expansion of gas? Not a peep out of you on that subject eh?

To finish: mistaking Words for Reality is foolish enough, but to mistake Numbers for Reality is the pinnacle of madness.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Mainframes on May 20, 2015, 12:49:33 PM

Conservation of momentum only applies to a closed system. One which does not exchange matter with its surrroundings:

Quote
In a closed system (one that does not exchange any matter with its surroundings and is not acted on by external forces) the total momentum is constant. This fact, known as the law of conservation of momentum, is implied by Newton's laws of motion

--http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Momentum#Conservation


Try again.

Fail. A closed system is defined as the the objects that will undergo either a collision or explosion. So for two objects that are split by an explosive force their net momentum is equal to zero.

External objects are any forces or anything else that could act on the system that are not defined as the system itself.
Stop talking out of your arse and just get to the real point or what you're trying to say. No wonder you people have messed up heads.
[/quote
Rough translation - you don't understand basic science.

Ok. Simple speak.

If two objects collide momentum is conserved.
If two object split momentum is conserved.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 20, 2015, 01:06:43 PM
The specifications of the BuK M2E long-range ground-to-air missile are freely available on the web; www.army-technology.com (http://www.army-technology.com) has them for example.

Look in the performance stats & you will find that it has a 'maximum operating altitude above sea level' of 3,000 metres.

Why on earth should this be, if rockets are not reliant on atmospheric pressure in order to function?

I will tell you why: it is because the army knows that their troops are mostly thick as planks of wood & will not make the connection between the inability of their rockets to operate in rarefied atmospheres & the impossibility of space travel.

& they can't take the chance that one of them would try to launch a rocket above it's maximum operating altitude, thus destroying millions of dollars worth of equipment.

But the above should show anyone capable of independent thought that military rocket engineers are perfectly aware of how a rocket actually functions.

I know this for a fact because I've met a few; they all considered 'space travel' to be kids stuff.

Like Santa...

Want to contemplate 1 Corinthians 13:11 again, anyone?

& what about Free Expansion?

Tricky one, that!
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: legion on May 20, 2015, 01:08:42 PM

Conservation of momentum only applies to a closed system. One which does not exchange matter with its surrroundings:

Quote
In a closed system (one that does not exchange any matter with its surroundings and is not acted on by external forces) the total momentum is constant. This fact, known as the law of conservation of momentum, is implied by Newton's laws of motion

--http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Momentum#Conservation


Try again.

Fail. A closed system is defined as the the objects that will undergo either a collision or explosion. So for two objects that are split by an explosive force their net momentum is equal to zero.

External objects are any forces or anything else that could act on the system that are not defined as the system itself.

Are you making this up as you go along?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 20, 2015, 01:16:00 PM
NASA did, so why shouldn't their cultists?

Don't be too harsh, legion!
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: legion on May 20, 2015, 01:26:34 PM
NASA did, so why shouldn't their cultists?

Don't be too harsh, legion!

You're right. It was very insensitive of me. Maybe mainframes will provide a citation for his extraordinary claim. We'll see.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: legion on May 20, 2015, 01:35:57 PM
Papa is trying to tell you globalists about the lies you adhere to from the fantasy rocket science world.

Here's a video that you should all observe and ABSORB. If this doesn't help you grasp the truth then you have no desire to grasp it and are best left in your slumber or deliberate lie, whichever fits you.

(http://)

I'd say it's a video everyone should watch and TEST. I plan on doing so this weekend. Great vid and I'll let you know my results.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Mainframes on May 20, 2015, 01:37:56 PM
NASA did, so why shouldn't their cultists?

Don't be too harsh, legion!

You're right. It was very insensitive of me. Maybe mainframes will provide a citation for his extraordinary claim. We'll see.

You provided the citation. You just don't know what a system is.

Consider a solid block as a system. If it were to split in two, the two halves must obey conservation of momentum as they were initially part of that system. After the split had occurred they will be two different systems.

Same for rockets. The rocket and the fuel it contains are a system. Ignite the fuel and its will be ejected from the rocket with both obeying conservation of momentum. Once ejected it is no longer in the system.

Same with an opposite example. If two pool balls collide then at the point of collision they are one system and conservation of momentum is obeyed. After that they once again are seoerate  systems.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 20, 2015, 01:42:46 PM
Yes, legion; it is an excellent video & easy to reproduce at home; how easy it is to absorb the lesson thereof is another matter, sadly.

On a different note, I invite anyone who does not believe NASA to be a cult to google any combination of the words 'Jack Parsons, L Ron Hubbard, Aleister Crowley, Babalon Working'.

The results, to any person with the slightest esoteric knowledge, will make the whole sordid saga as clear as daylight.

Honestly; it could not be clearer.

But enough of that; what about Free Expansion of Gas in a Vacuum & its repercussions for NASA's GAS-powered rockets in the VACUUM of space?

Anyone?

& mainframes: you lot do love your false analogies don't you? But let's try to get beyond them eh?

Just try it; you may learn something.

The doorway is open...

Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: legion on May 20, 2015, 01:56:15 PM
NASA did, so why shouldn't their cultists?

Don't be too harsh, legion!

You're right. It was very insensitive of me. Maybe mainframes will provide a citation for his extraordinary claim. We'll see.

You provided the citation. You just don't know what a system is.

Consider a solid block as a system. If it were to split in two, the two halves must obey conservation of momentum as they were initially part of that system. After the split had occurred they will be two different systems.

Same for rockets. The rocket and the fuel it contains are a system. Ignite the fuel and its will be ejected from the rocket with both obeying conservation of momentum. Once ejected it is no longer in the system.

Same with an opposite example. If two pool balls collide then at the point of collision they are one system and conservation of momentum is obeyed. After that they once again are seoerate  systems.

Here we go again:

Quote
In a closed system (one that does not exchange any matter with its surroundings and is not acted on by external forces) the total momentum is constant.

In your pool balls example, some energy will be lost due to friction (assuming a pool table). But, critically, no matter (or mass) will be exchanged outside of the pool system table (closed). Unless, ball A, the one you hit, explodes on contact with ball B.  In that case, the conservation of momentum law will no longer apply as much/most of the force was expended in the explosion of ball A.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: sceptimatic on May 20, 2015, 01:58:25 PM
It makes me laugh how people can believe a combustion chamber in a rocket is going to allow burning rocket fuel to push up and down in equal terms.
Have any of you so called NASA rocket engineers had a look at the combustion chamber in an engine and also the injectors that squirt oxygen and fuel into this chamber?

Think of the so called power they say is created in those engines that is thrown out of the back. Seriously do any of you so called rocket scientists believe a huge so called space rocket can lift off a pad into space without simply blowing up under the pathetic forces they tell us happens to enable the lift of tehse so called monster rockets?

Here's something for you though and I want you to  think about this very clearly. Those who have blinkers on and wax in their ears; do not respond.
Those who have a brain, just take heed of what's being said.

A rocket nozzle is shaped like a cone for a reason. The cone widens as it spans out from the rockets arse for a reason. What could that reason be.

1. To allow the burning fuel to mix and expand inside a combustion chamber inside the rocket and simply disperse the burning fuel into the atmosphere as simply waste and doing nothing.

2. To allow the fuel mixture to disperse into the atmosphere to create a controlled burn against the atmosphere to expand it so the rocket gases pushes against that atmosphere as the atmosphere pushes right back in equal measures.


The answer is simple to those who aren't brainwashed.

You see; if rockets worked like NASA tells us then why the need for a nozzle at all?
Also what was the point of having a nozzle in space if it's a vacuum?
What kind of combustion chamber must have been inside the supposed LEM that supposedly landed on the moon?
The so called astroliars were basically sat on top of one engine that was sat on top of another one.

Why did the LEM have a rocket nozzle on landing on the so called moon and yet the ascent kettle, erm rocket thing had no nozzle whatsoever. What's the reason for this?

No resistance, no movement of anything. Kaput. Zilch.
Ever wondered why an aerosol can fizzes when you press the top?
It fizzes because it is compressed inside the can, just like a rocket would hold compressed fuel/oxy.
Open the valve and the fast compressed fuel/oxy/aerosol pushes into the atmosphere at speed which forces the atmosphere away from it, yet the atmosphere equally hits back and tries to equalise the pressure. It friction grips the compressed fuel/oxy/aerosol and you hear the fizz. The SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.

Now let's put that into your vacuum of space.  Open the nozzle and the oxy/fuel/aerosol plays the last man out, stinks game.
Where's the fizz? The SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS?

There isn't one because the compressed oxy/fuel/aerosol is allowed FREE EXPANSION because it has nothing at all to arrest it's free movement into the vacuum.

It's like letting the air out of your tyre in space and then deciding you want to pump it up again. The problem is, your bike pump has nothing to pump. You plunge down the handle into the pump cylinder and there's no resistance because there's no air.

You're not even going to push down the valve in your inner tube to allow air into it because there is no air. So if your valve doesn't move by the force of you pumping that handle down, then how in the hell do you expect a rocket to move in a vacuum by expelling the fuel from it into the same vacuum?


Action/reaction works great inside Earth, due to resistance or atmosphere in ALL cases.
It's worthless in your fictional space because resistance cannot exist.

If only people could understand the principles of a vacuum or a near one and what space is supposed to be and how nothing could work in it, then it would make life easier for people to see just how far the duping has gone.

Throw a ball on Earth and you have a few things in your favour to allow you to throw it.
1. You have the friction of your feet and mass of body against the floor by atmospheric pressure pushing down on you. You can now throw your ball.

2. Dangle you from a rope to throw the ball again and you lose the friction of your feet/legs but your body mass has been transferred to the rope, except now your throw isn't as strong due to less resistance. All you have to enable the throw is the rope and your swing energy and as much push into the atmosphere as your body can muster.
Effective but nowhere near as efective as the feet to the solid ground as a friction grip.

Now take all that away - and as we are told; 'float you in space' with that same ball.
Now throw it.
In your mind right now, you believe you can throw it and you will see it disappear into the endless pit of space, right?
Can't you see that you are rendered still? It's hard to imagine because we are used to friction on Earth. The problem is, you are made to believe that atmosphere is negligent.

I'm going on here and the dipshits will type the usual tl;dr garbage and waste their time. If they do they have to quote me which means the real people get to see what I'm saying many times.

Anyway, back to what we all know. I'll type this is capitals so we don't forget the definite in life. the law that is a must.

FOR EVERY ACTION THERE MUST BE AN EQUAL AND OPPOSITE REACTION.

What does it really mean in the grand scheme of things?

It means: if I or anything uses energy in any action, a reaction of the same energy will be transferred to whatever that energy was used against.
For instance: if I punched someone in the face, my energy would be transferred to the persons body as an action and an equal reactive force from their body would be transferred back to my fist and arm/shoulder/body mass.


Basically I get back what I put in and the same goes for moving in atmosphere. If you walk into it, you compress it and it pushes right back against you with the same reaction to your action.

Confused?
If you are tied to a bungee cord and use all your energy to run as hard as you can by stretching that cord to the max, your energy can stretch it, then that cord will now react against your body with the same energy you placed upon that. It pushes you back.

Now get in your car and imagine  you're up against a 100 mph wind. Your car is stationary at this point because your handbrake and tyres are friction gripped to the wheels and road and the mass of your car against atmospheric pressure upon it means you need a lot of energy to move that car into that 100 mph wind.

Once you move that car into that 100 mph wind, you are compressing it more by the mass and energy of your car which pushes harder against that onrushing air onto your car front. But the thing is, just like the bungee rope, the energy has to equalise which it does by being forced around your car and friction gripping it on the sides before smashing into the air behind you that you are  moving away from which equalises the pressure only on the energy your car produced, meaning your car is back to fighting the 100 mph wind and not any extra.

Have a good think about that. Some may not grasp it. It requires logical thought.

Now let's take it into so called space.

Let's park your car in space and put you behind it. Now push the car. Does it move?
Ok, kick the car.
Does it move?

Ok, how about pushing yourself away from the car and catapulting yourself away from that car. Yeah?

Can't be done, can it?
Why?

No resistance. You do not possess anything to lever off.
I know what you're thinking. "wait a minute, if I grabbed an open window and gripped it, I could launch myself away from the car."

It sounds plausible doesn't it?
You can be told lots of things...lies. Like; " oh space is a vacuum but things still have mass."
This is a perfect cover story to make you think that something feels heavier than something else and this allows a person or object to be ejected. It should clearly be seen to be bullshit if you're prepared to think.

If I'm holding hands with you in space then drag me towards you. Am I being pulled towards you or are you being pulled towards me?
Or are we simply not doing anything because none of us has anything at all to use as a resistive force. No leverage.

We can move inside Earth because we are under a force of atmospheric pressure. One action results in an equal reaction.
No action can happen without a reaction. You always need a resistive force to enable you to move one muscle of your body.
Atmosphere provides this. Space as this vacuum, does not.

The end result for anything in that so called spacial vacuum is SUSPENDED ANIMATION. No movement in any free way at all, unless a resistance can be used to enable that to happen.

Now just like we couldn't move in this vacuum without using a leverage, neither could Earth. It cannot freely float along. What it can do is expand and contract within itself against that vacuum.
This is why putting a person up higher and higher results in that person expanding and that's not even at a vacuum; just much lower pressure.
This is why we are a sealed unit against a vacuum. A natural sealed prison cell with it's own breathable skin against the vacuum of suspended animation that we simply see as the absence of all light. BLACKNESS with inner reflections.

OOP'S , I went a bit too far near the end, so I'll leave it at that.

It's boring to read but read it and absorb it for those who want to find reality from the sack of crap we've been fed. I'm being totally serious.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 20, 2015, 02:17:36 PM
May I just add, to sceptimatic's typically interesting & thought-provoking post, that the real reason 'choked-flow/De Laval' nozzles are used on military rockets is simply to accelerate the exhausts velocity.

They play NO part whatsoever in increasing the functionality of a rocket in vacuum.

NOTHING can; because rockets can not work in a vacuum.

End of story...

Unless we are gulled into entering a reductio ad absurdum concerning a false analogy, of course.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Mainframes on May 20, 2015, 03:06:35 PM
NASA did, so why shouldn't their cultists?

Don't be too harsh, legion!

You're right. It was very insensitive of me. Maybe mainframes will provide a citation for his extraordinary claim. We'll see.

You provided the citation. You just don't know what a system is.

Consider a solid block as a system. If it were to split in two, the two halves must obey conservation of momentum as they were initially part of that system. After the split had occurred they will be two different systems.

Same for rockets. The rocket and the fuel it contains are a system. Ignite the fuel and its will be ejected from the rocket with both obeying conservation of momentum. Once ejected it is no longer in the system.

Same with an opposite example. If two pool balls collide then at the point of collision they are one system and conservation of momentum is obeyed. After that they once again are seoerate  systems.

Here we go again:

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In a closed system (one that does not exchange any matter with its surroundings and is not acted on by external forces) the total momentum is constant.

In your pool balls example, some energy will be lost due to friction (assuming a pool table). But, critically, no matter (or mass) will be exchanged outside of the pool system table (closed). Unless, ball A, the one you hit, explodes on contact with ball B.  In that case, the conservation of momentum law will no longer apply as much/most of the force was expended in the explosion of ball A.

In pool ball example momentum is conserved at point of collision. If ball A has 1kgm/s and B has none then after collision the pair will a sum total of 1 kgm/s. How that is split between the balls depends upon how full on they collide. With a perfect strike ball A would have 0kgm/s and B would have 1kgm/s. A 45degree hit and they would both have 0.5kgm/s. Friction only plays a part after the collision when each ball is a separate system again.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Rama Set on May 20, 2015, 03:30:43 PM
If I understand Legion's position correctly (he will undoubtedly claim I don't), sails should not work.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Papa Legba on May 20, 2015, 03:57:58 PM
So now some maths involving 'pool balls' will somehow prove that rockets work in vacuum...

Nice try with yet another FALSE ANALOGY but can we stick to REALITY, please?

I know it's painful for you, but give it a go; you may even find it liberating...
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: markjo on May 20, 2015, 04:46:16 PM
To be fair Marko, if they don't understand momentum then the rocket equation is going straight over their heads.

Was trying to provide a very simplistic example.
A simplistic example doesn't help if it gives the wrong answer.

So: the action/reaction pairing occurs within the rocket 'engine' itself.

But WHERE, precisely?

The front?

The back?

Somewhere inbetween?
Yes.  The initial action/reaction occurs in the combustion chamber where expanding gasses push against the walls of the chamber (action) and the walls of the chamber push back (reaction).  Now if it were a sealed chamber like a balloon, then the action/reaction is balanced in all directions.  However, there is an opening called the throat.  As the gasses escape through the throat, the action of that gas does not balance the action in the opposite direction, therefore the rocket wants to move opposite direction of the escaping gasses.

Now consider that as the gasses are being pushed from the relatively large combustion chamber through the relatively small throat, the gasses increase in pressure and velocity.  Also remember that the gasses still have mass.  The mass and velocity of the escaping gasses are used to calculate the specific impulse (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specific_impulse) of the engine.

After the exhaust gas passes through the throat, it enters the nozzle where the gas expands once again.  The expanding gas will push against the nozzle (action) causing still more reaction.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/Rocket_thrust.svg)
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: markjo on May 20, 2015, 04:55:15 PM
The specifications of the BuK M2E long-range ground-to-air missile are freely available on the web; www.army-technology.com (http://www.army-technology.com) has them for example.

Look in the performance stats & you will find that it has a 'maximum operating altitude above sea level' of 3,000 metres.

Why on earth should this be, if rockets are not reliant on atmospheric pressure in order to function?
First if all, I think that you missed a zero.  A maximum altitude of 3000 meters (about 10,000 feet) sounds pretty useless for a long range surface to air missile.  30,000 meters (about 100,000 feet) sounds a lot more reasonable.

Secondly, the rocket motor is for propulsion, but the missile still needs air for the steering fins to work.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Mainframes on May 20, 2015, 11:40:01 PM
To be fair Marko, if they don't understand momentum then the rocket equation is going straight over their heads.

Was trying to provide a very simplistic example.
A simplistic example doesn't help if it gives the wrong answer.


The answer was correct given the analogy. I said fuel was ejected out the back as a single unit to demonstrate a simple conservation of momentum calculation. It s fine if you then want to expand into ejection of fuel of a period of time.

As I said they need to understand conservation of momentum first before trying to explain rocket equation.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Mainframes on May 20, 2015, 11:41:57 PM
So now some maths involving 'pool balls' will somehow prove that rockets work in vacuum...

Nice try with yet another FALSE ANALOGY but can we stick to REALITY, please?

I know it's painful for you, but give it a go; you may even find it liberating...

This was demonstrating the princes of conservation of momentum which are required in explaining how rockets work in a vacuum. You'll notice I gave an example of an explosion and a collision.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: JerkFace on May 21, 2015, 04:50:43 AM
So now some maths involving 'pool balls' will somehow prove that rockets work in vacuum...

Nice try with yet another FALSE ANALOGY but can we stick to REALITY, please?

I know it's painful for you, but give it a go; you may even find it liberating...

This was demonstrating the princes of conservation of momentum which are required in explaining how rockets work in a vacuum. You'll notice I gave an example of an explosion and a collision.

I've come to the conclusion, that there is a certain minimum threshold level of knowledge, that's required in order to assimilate and acquire additional knowledge,   some people fall below that minimum level, and there is no amount of explanation that will allow them to move beyond that primitive level of understanding. 

To think that there are people alive in this century that think rockets don't work in a vacuum, beggars belief.

Explaining conservation of momentum to such people is a bit like trying to teach monkeys to play scrabble.  They can't keep score and they argue all the time about spelling and semantics.



Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: sceptimatic on May 21, 2015, 05:20:18 AM
i don't know why you people harp on about conservation of momentum as if it means anything in your space vacuum. It means nothing. It doesn't exist in your vacuum and cannot exist in it, no matter what.

You people use this crap because you can't explain how a rocket works. You lot literally cannot expalin what's happening in a rocket for it to do what you say it does, except to say that fuel expands in a combustion chamber and you think this answers the question.

I think it's pretty scary to think that supposed scientifically mided people on here can't grasp this rocket bullshit. Maybe some can and won't admit it; but most are as naive as hell and can't see past their own noses, not to mention they are devoid of logic and common sense to go with a lack of humour.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: guv on May 21, 2015, 05:31:54 AM
i don't know why you people harp on about conservation of momentum as if it means anything in your space vacuum. It means nothing. It doesn't exist in your vacuum and cannot exist in it, no matter what.

You people use this crap because you can't explain how a rocket works. You lot literally cannot expalin what's happening in a rocket for it to do what you say it does, except to say that fuel expands in a combustion chamber and you think this answers the question.

I think it's pretty scary to think that supposed scientifically mided people on here can't grasp this rocket bullshit. Maybe some can and won't admit it; but most are as naive as hell and can't see past their own noses, not to mention they are devoid of logic and common sense to go with a lack of humour.



Same old crap septic. You can't or won't under real basic shit so it don't happen. Sorry but you are full of it, get your tank pumped.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: JerkFace on May 21, 2015, 05:32:10 AM
i don't know why you people harp on about conservation of momentum as if it means anything in your space vacuum. It means nothing. It doesn't exist in your vacuum and cannot exist in it, no matter what.

You people use this crap because you can't explain how a rocket works. You lot literally cannot expalin what's happening in a rocket for it to do what you say it does, except to say that fuel expands in a combustion chamber and you think this answers the question.

I think it's pretty scary to think that supposed scientifically mided people on here can't grasp this rocket bullshit. Maybe some can and won't admit it; but most are as naive as hell and can't see past their own noses, not to mention they are devoid of logic and common sense to go with a lack of humour.

I don't know where to even begin,  you are so far off track,   maybe some basic physics lessons?   Action and reaction,  conservation of momentum,  these are fundamental concepts, that should be self evident. 
Maybe you have some kind of emotional investment in ignorance, that you can't let go of.

See if this helps  https://www.khanacademy.org/science/physics/linear-momentum/momentum-tutorial/v/momentum-ice-skater-throws-a-ball (https://www.khanacademy.org/science/physics/linear-momentum/momentum-tutorial/v/momentum-ice-skater-throws-a-ball)
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: sceptimatic on May 21, 2015, 05:41:15 AM
i don't know why you people harp on about conservation of momentum as if it means anything in your space vacuum. It means nothing. It doesn't exist in your vacuum and cannot exist in it, no matter what.

You people use this crap because you can't explain how a rocket works. You lot literally cannot expalin what's happening in a rocket for it to do what you say it does, except to say that fuel expands in a combustion chamber and you think this answers the question.

I think it's pretty scary to think that supposed scientifically mided people on here can't grasp this rocket bullshit. Maybe some can and won't admit it; but most are as naive as hell and can't see past their own noses, not to mention they are devoid of logic and common sense to go with a lack of humour.



Same old crap septic. You can't or won't under real basic shit so it don't happen. Sorry but you are full of it, get your tank pumped.
I've told you people time and time again to stay out of dealing with me. You're not worthy of my time. You're a bunch of naive retarded idiots that can't grasp basic stuff and have to live in a world of made up nonsnse.

Pm your bum chums you prick and talk with them.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: sceptimatic on May 21, 2015, 05:42:28 AM
i don't know why you people harp on about conservation of momentum as if it means anything in your space vacuum. It means nothing. It doesn't exist in your vacuum and cannot exist in it, no matter what.

You people use this crap because you can't explain how a rocket works. You lot literally cannot expalin what's happening in a rocket for it to do what you say it does, except to say that fuel expands in a combustion chamber and you think this answers the question.

I think it's pretty scary to think that supposed scientifically mided people on here can't grasp this rocket bullshit. Maybe some can and won't admit it; but most are as naive as hell and can't see past their own noses, not to mention they are devoid of logic and common sense to go with a lack of humour.

I don't know where to even begin,  you are so far off track,   maybe some basic physics lessons?   Action and reaction,  conservation of momentum,  these are fundamental concepts, that should be self evident. 
Maybe you have some kind of emotional investment in ignorance, that you can't let go of.

See if this helps  https://www.khanacademy.org/science/physics/linear-momentum/momentum-tutorial/v/momentum-ice-skater-throws-a-ball (https://www.khanacademy.org/science/physics/linear-momentum/momentum-tutorial/v/momentum-ice-skater-throws-a-ball)
Ice skaters don't operate rockets and rockets don't use ice skates. Stop bringing nonsense into the debate you clown.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: JerkFace on May 21, 2015, 05:53:28 AM
Ice skaters don't operate rockets and rockets don't use ice skates. Stop bringing nonsense into the debate you clown.

I didn't think you would understand it,  but it was worth a try. 

Sadly, there's nothing more basic I could find,  so,  your time in the physics class has expired.   You can now go back to blowing bubbles and gurgling happily in your ignorance.  If you can find some crayons there's a good coloring book I can recommend.

Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: sceptimatic on May 21, 2015, 05:59:48 AM
Ice skaters don't operate rockets and rockets don't use ice skates. Stop bringing nonsense into the debate you clown.

I didn't think you would understand it,  but it was worth a try. 

Sadly, there's nothing more basic I could find,  so,  your time in the physics class has expired.   You can now go back to blowing bubbles and gurgling happily in your ignorance.  If you can find some crayons there's a good coloring book I can recommend.
You stay backward you dipstick. You'll never grasp anything because you simply don't want to. Your tongue is firmly planted into the science world's aris and you are in awe of lying spotty faced tefal headed front men.

Ice skates for the rocket dupe is for the likes of you to jizz your pants over you thick bastard.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: JerkFace on May 21, 2015, 06:06:10 AM
You stay backward you dipstick. You'll never grasp anything because you simply don't want to. Your tongue is firmly planted into the science world's aris and you are in awe of lying spotty faced tefal headed front men.

Ice skates for the rocket dupe is for the likes of you to jizz your pants over you thick bastard.

Now you are projecting your weird fantasies,  don't be insulted,  but  I'd prefer not to know about your bedroom preferences.   

Just because a concept is beyond your grasp, doesn't mean that there aren't others who can understand and apply those concepts.   

Just out of curiousity,  what is your educational background?   Did you finish high school?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: sceptimatic on May 21, 2015, 06:14:32 AM
You stay backward you dipstick. You'll never grasp anything because you simply don't want to. Your tongue is firmly planted into the science world's aris and you are in awe of lying spotty faced tefal headed front men.

Ice skates for the rocket dupe is for the likes of you to jizz your pants over you thick bastard.

Now you are projecting your weird fantasies,  don't be insulted,  but  I'd prefer not to know about your bedroom preferences.   

Just because a concept is beyond your grasp, doesn't mean that there aren't others who can understand and apply those concepts.   

Just out of curiousity,  what is your educational background?   Did you finish high school?
One day you might learn the reality of the TV rockets your subscribe to like a faithful puppy.
Trying to play games as to who has what in an educational background is a bit silly because what you have learned, is tarnished with a lot of bullcrap.

I suggest you gain some logical sense and actually have a look at your fantasy rockets that you believe float about in space.
Once you see the reality, you will have no choice but to question your whole so called education.

I'm here to educate ignorant people like you. You can't accept the help because of your arrogance and adherence to the mass opinion that the high up "so called" science world has convinced to accept as the truth.

It's a sad world when pople can't grasp simple things and have to hide behind a bunch of equations and bullshit that masks reality.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: JerkFace on May 21, 2015, 06:23:50 AM
You stay backward you dipstick. You'll never grasp anything because you simply don't want to. Your tongue is firmly planted into the science world's aris and you are in awe of lying spotty faced tefal headed front men.

Ice skates for the rocket dupe is for the likes of you to jizz your pants over you thick bastard.

Now you are projecting your weird fantasies,  don't be insulted,  but  I'd prefer not to know about your bedroom preferences.   

Just because a concept is beyond your grasp, doesn't mean that there aren't others who can understand and apply those concepts.   

Just out of curiousity,  what is your educational background?   Did you finish high school?
One day you might learn the reality of the TV rockets your subscribe to like a faithful puppy.
Trying to play games as to who has what in an educational background is a bit silly because what you have learned, is tarnished with a lot of bullcrap.

I suggest you gain some logical sense and actually have a look at your fantasy rockets that you believe float about in space.
Once you see the reality, you will have no choice but to question your whole so called education.

I'm here to educate ignorant people like you. You can't accept the help because of your arrogance and adherence to the mass opinion that the high up "so called" science world has convinced to accept as the truth.

It's a sad world when pople can't grasp simple things and have to hide behind a bunch of equations and bullshit that masks reality.

You can stop arguing your case,  I've already  given up on trying to explain concepts that you clearly aren't  able to understand,   what I'm now curious about is how you got to the state of mind where you claim to possess knowledge that no-one else understands and defies the laws of physics.   That's why I asked what your educational background was,  I take it that you didn't do any science classes at high school level?


Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: markjo on May 21, 2015, 06:24:34 AM
As I said they need to understand conservation of momentum first before trying to explain rocket equation.
The rocket equation is the correct application of the conservation of momentum when the mass of the rocket is constantly changing.  If you want to use the simple explanation, then use Newton's cradle.

You people use this crap because you can't explain how a rocket works. You lot literally cannot expalin what's happening in a rocket for it to do what you say it does, except to say that fuel expands in a combustion chamber and you think this answers the question.
Scepti, we've explained how rockets work lots of times and in lots of different ways.  Just because you refuse to understand doesn't mean that we haven't explained. 
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: sceptimatic on May 21, 2015, 06:43:25 AM
As I said they need to understand conservation of momentum first before trying to explain rocket equation.
The rocket equation is the correct application of the conservation of momentum when the mass of the rocket is constantly changing.  If you want to use the simple explanation, then use Newton's cradle.

You people use this crap because you can't explain how a rocket works. You lot literally cannot expalin what's happening in a rocket for it to do what you say it does, except to say that fuel expands in a combustion chamber and you think this answers the question.
Scepti, we've explained how rockets work lots of times and in lots of different ways.  Just because you refuse to understand doesn't mean that we haven't explained.
And I and a few other's have explained how rockets really work and yet you refuse to understand it. You lose in the long run because you are hinging your knowledge of rocketry on fantasy.

Believing they work in how you have been told by the text books is nonsense that you may find out about in time. It all depends on whether you have the sense to use your own logic.

Anyway, stick to your lies and I'll stick to the truth.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: JerkFace on May 21, 2015, 06:49:25 AM
And I and a few other's have explained how rockets really work and yet you refuse to understand it. You lose in the long run because you are hinging your knowledge of rocketry on fantasy.

Believing they work in how you have been told by the text books is nonsense that you may find out about in time. It all depends on whether you have the sense to use your own logic.

Anyway, stick to your lies and I'll stick to the truth.

So,  how did you arrive at this understanding of how rockets really work?     

Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: sceptimatic on May 21, 2015, 07:04:53 AM
And I and a few other's have explained how rockets really work and yet you refuse to understand it. You lose in the long run because you are hinging your knowledge of rocketry on fantasy.

Believing they work in how you have been told by the text books is nonsense that you may find out about in time. It all depends on whether you have the sense to use your own logic.

Anyway, stick to your lies and I'll stick to the truth.

So,  how did you arrive at this understanding of how rockets really work?   
By understanding how atmospheric pressure is what keeps everything working on Earth, including rockets and the lack of atmospheric pressure renders everything useless, such as rockets and jet planes and high climbing humans, nullified.

Simple logic and common sense and the ability to actually seea different picture to the one you have been forced to see, will actually allow you to see if you want to.

Start by bringing up a rocket diagram and study it, then ask yourself about the combustion chamber expansion and all the rest of the bullshit that supposedly kicks a mammoth so called apace rocket into space, as you are told.

The main issue is, it really does require a person to WAKE up and see logic amid the fantasy given out and also shown in movies that are purported to be live launches.


Just spend 10 seconds studying the forward strut on the shuttle that supposedly keeps it stuck to the tank by one pop up bolt and ask yourself the question of who's the gullible one's.

Of course, If you come back and see no problem with it, then don't bother telling me. Just forget I exist and carry on with your bullshit spreading, because it will show me immediately what you are.

Over to you. Use logic and common sense or follow the sheep. OR...sit sniggering at how you think you're duping people into believing in fantasy space crap.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: JerkFace on May 21, 2015, 07:11:19 AM
And I and a few other's have explained how rockets really work and yet you refuse to understand it. You lose in the long run because you are hinging your knowledge of rocketry on fantasy.

Believing they work in how you have been told by the text books is nonsense that you may find out about in time. It all depends on whether you have the sense to use your own logic.

Anyway, stick to your lies and I'll stick to the truth.

So,  how did you arrive at this understanding of how rockets really work?   
By understanding how atmospheric pressure is what keeps everything working on Earth, including rockets and the lack of atmospheric pressure renders everything useless, such as rockets and jet planes and high climbing humans, nullified.

Simple logic and common sense and the ability to actually seea different picture to the one you have been forced to see, will actually allow you to see if you want to.

Start by bringing up a rocket diagram and study it, then ask yourself about the combustion chamber expansion and all the rest of the bullshit that supposedly kicks a mammoth so called apace rocket into space, as you are told.

The main issue is, it really does require a person to WAKE up and see logic amid the fantasy given out and also shown in movies that are purported to be live launches.


Just spend 10 seconds studying the forward strut on the shuttle that supposedly keeps it stuck to the tank by one pop up bolt and ask yourself the question of who's the gullible one's.

Of course, If you come back and see no problem with it, then don't bother telling me. Just forget I exist and carry on with your bullshit spreading, because it will show me immediately what you are.

Over to you. Use logic and common sense or follow the sheep. OR...sit sniggering at how you think you're duping people into believing in fantasy space crap.

My intention is to understand  why you hold those views, not to argue.     How does lack of atmospheric pressure render everything useless?   Specifically rockets.   And what was it that led you to that conclusion?


 
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: Alpha2Omega on May 21, 2015, 07:17:31 AM
I've told you people time and time again to stay out of dealing with me. You're not worthy of my time. You're a bunch of naive retarded idiots that can't grasp basic stuff and have to live in a world of made up nonsnse.

For something not worthy of your time, you sure spend a lot of it arguing about this. How many replies have you made in the last couple hours on this topic alone? You've told "us people", time and time again, many, many things that are utter balderdash. This is just another example.

But, remembering something "worthy of your time" that you haven't bothered to reply to, have you forgotten a challenge you made in another thread?

This one:

If I ever said I had 13 academic qualifications then I would be telling lies. Did I ever say I had and if so I need you to put up or shut up and stop acting like a little screaming girl.  ;D

It's accumulated some responses, some more than a week old. Why don't you tootle over there, look them over, and answer the responses to the challenge you issued instead of replying to topics "not worthy of your time"? Surely that topic is worthy; otherwise, why did you bring it up?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: sceptimatic on May 21, 2015, 07:28:10 AM
I've already explained why I hold the views. Other's have explained why they do, too. It's in the explanations given for why rockets don't work in a vacuum.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: sceptimatic on May 21, 2015, 07:30:52 AM
I've told you people time and time again to stay out of dealing with me. You're not worthy of my time. You're a bunch of naive retarded idiots that can't grasp basic stuff and have to live in a world of made up nonsnse.

For something not worthy of your time, you sure spend a lot of it arguing about this. How many replies have you made in the last couple hours on this topic alone? You've told "us people", time and time again, many, many things that are utter balderdash. This is just another example.

But, remembering something "worthy of your time" that you haven't bothered to reply to, have you forgotten a challenge you made in another thread?

This one:

If I ever said I had 13 academic qualifications then I would be telling lies. Did I ever say I had and if so I need you to put up or shut up and stop acting like a little screaming girl.  ;D

It's accumulated some responses, some more than a week old. Why don't you tootle over there, look them over, and answer the responses to the challenge you issued instead of replying to topics "not worthy of your time"? Surely that topic is worthy; otherwise, why did you bring it up?
I asked people to put up or shut up. Nobody has put up, including you. If you think you have then link to the thread where I said I had 13 academic qualifications.
If not, then shut up and stop acting like a whining little girl.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: JerkFace on May 21, 2015, 07:33:57 AM
I've already explained why I hold the views. Other's have explained why they do, too. It's in the explanations given for why rockets don't work in a vacuum.

The explanation I've read is that rockets need something to push against, and that in the vacuum of space there is nothing to push against.     

What I don't understand,  is why rockets need something to push against?      If I could show you that  a rocket doesn't need anything to push against would that alter your point of view?
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: sceptimatic on May 21, 2015, 07:50:35 AM
I've already explained why I hold the views. Other's have explained why they do, too. It's in the explanations given for why rockets don't work in a vacuum.

The explanation I've read is that rockets need something to push against, and that in the vacuum of space there is nothing to push against.     

What I don't understand,  is why rockets need something to push against?      If I could show you that  a rocket doesn't need anything to push against would that alter your point of view?
I'll tell you what I'll do for you. If you can show me that rockets do not use atmosphere and you can prove they can work in a vacuum of your space by any means possible, I'll not only believe in sp[ace rockets, I'll also change my stance to believing everthing about Earth and what not, being a spinning ball, plus planets and sun and stars and moon and whatever else, to be what you believe them to be.

You think this will be easy?
Let me just explain something. For everything you hit me with, I'm going to hit you back with my version. If you call me arrogant for going against you, then I will call you the same.
It's up to you to find the best way to stump me to prove your theory.

If you come at me with silly equations, you lose. I want explanations not calculations and especally not silly space equations.

Over to you.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: JerkFace on May 21, 2015, 08:16:05 AM
I've already explained why I hold the views. Other's have explained why they do, too. It's in the explanations given for why rockets don't work in a vacuum.

The explanation I've read is that rockets need something to push against, and that in the vacuum of space there is nothing to push against.     

What I don't understand,  is why rockets need something to push against?      If I could show you that  a rocket doesn't need anything to push against would that alter your point of view?
I'll tell you what I'll do for you. If you can show me that rockets do not use atmosphere and you can prove they can work in a vacuum of your space by any means possible, I'll not only believe in sp[ace rockets, I'll also change my stance to believing everthing about Earth and what not, being a spinning ball, plus planets and sun and stars and moon and whatever else, to be what you believe them to be.

You think this will be easy?
Let me just explain something. For everything you hit me with, I'm going to hit you back with my version. If you call me arrogant for going against you, then I will call you the same.
It's up to you to find the best way to stump me to prove your theory.

If you come at me with silly equations, you lose. I want explanations not calculations and especally not silly space equations.

Over to you.

I specifically said I didn't want to argue, because you seem to be very fixed in your opinion,    and very likely you'll not agree with anything I could say.   The point I was trying to establish is, what exactly is the basis of your understanding of why rockets don't work in space.

We've established that the central issue is the view that there is nothing for the rocket to push against.    The laws of physics say that you don't need anything to push against.

If you disagree with the following, then just briefly say why and we leave it at that,   we don't need to drag this out into a protracted argument that ultimately ends in insults.

Imagine  a cube shaped sealed metal box floating in the vacuum of space  1m x 1m x 1m  and we have pressurized the box with air to 10 kg per square meter   
The area of  each of the sides of the cube is 1 square meter so there is  10 kg  pressing  from the inside on each side of the cube.   Now we cut a  0.1 square meter hole in the bottom of the cube,  so the bottom now has only 9kg  pressing on it,  but the top still has 10kg  so there is 1kg force difference between the top and bottom,  pushing the box upwards.   And the box moves up.  It doesn't need to push against anything.

I'll leave the equations for another day.


Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: sceptimatic on May 21, 2015, 08:56:50 AM
I specifically said I didn't want to argue, because you seem to be very fixed in your opinion,    and very likely you'll not agree with anything I could say.   The point I was trying to establish is, what exactly is the basis of your understanding of why rockets don't work in space.
Free expansion is why they can't work in space. Free expansion is why they couldn't get too far up into the atmosphere, never mind what you believe space to be.
We've established that the central issue is the view that there is nothing for the rocket to push against.    The laws of physics say that you don't need anything to push against.
If you disagree with the following, then just briefly say why and we leave it at that,   we don't need to drag this out into a protracted argument that ultimately ends in insults.
The laws of physics aren't laws when dealing with this. It's the laws of lies or guesswork.
The fact that a person can't envisage himself being in a vacuum and unable to distinguish it from being at sea level doing his stuff; it's bound to sway a person towards the bogus physics laws.

If you do not have any resistive force to your energy, then you simply do not move, whether that's a person or a rocket.
Here's an experiment for you to try.
Tie a strong box from a rafter and you and a friend get inside of it and shut the lid.
Let's call the box the inside of your rocket chamber and you and your friend are the fuel mix.
You are sat above your friend. He can smell your arse and the crease of your ball sack through your khaki shorts but this is irrelevant, as it's just an occupational hazard.
Ok so you tell him to push down onto the bottom of the box.
He does this and realises that to break it he has to lever off of your arse whilst you have to lever your shoulders and head against the top of the box lid.
Let's assume that your box lid is solid and won't break.

Now your friend manages to break through his lid due to him squashing you. All you are doing is being jammed against your lid until he breaks his lid and falls out under the pressure he and you used as force.
He shoots out and hits the deck. Where are you?
You don't hit the ceiling do you? you drop out behind him like a limp dick because you both expended your energy pushing each otehr to break his lid and now you are left in the box for a sec after your friend smashes his face off the floor. Then you follow like a newly hatched chick falling from a nest onto your mate.



Imagine  a cube shaped sealed metal box floating in the vacuum of space  1m x 1m x 1m  and we have pressurized the box with air to 10 kg per square meter   
The area of  each of the sides of the cube is 1 square meter so there is  10 kg  pressing  from the inside on each side of the cube.   Now we cut a  0.1 square meter hole in the bottom of the cube,  so the bottom now has only 9kg  pressing on it,  but the top still has 10kg  so there is 1kg force difference between the top and bottom,  pushing the box upwards.   And the box moves up.  It doesn't need to push against anything.

I'll leave the equations for another day.
You lost your force when you cut the cube open. You lost it to free expansion.
Try and make things easier for yourself or you will get frustrated.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: JerkFace on May 21, 2015, 09:04:09 AM
As I said,  I'm not interested in the argument,  you've shown that logic is not a factor.   I  was more interested in why you believe these things,  and now I've got a pretty good idea.


Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: sceptimatic on May 21, 2015, 09:10:52 AM
As I said,  I'm not interested in the argument,  you've shown that logic is not a factor.   I  was more interested in why you believe these things,  and now I've got a pretty good idea.
I can understand why you believe the lies, as well.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: JerkFace on May 21, 2015, 09:14:26 AM
As I said,  I'm not interested in the argument,  you've shown that logic is not a factor.   I  was more interested in why you believe these things,  and now I've got a pretty good idea.
I can understand why you believe the lies, as well.

As a matter of interest, how old are you?

Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: BJ1234 on May 21, 2015, 09:28:27 AM
I don't think you understand what free expansion is scepti.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: sceptimatic on May 21, 2015, 09:32:06 AM
As I said,  I'm not interested in the argument,  you've shown that logic is not a factor.   I  was more interested in why you believe these things,  and now I've got a pretty good idea.
I can understand why you believe the lies, as well.

As a matter of interest, how old are you?
Old enough to realise I've been duped for a lot of my life. That should give you a clue. How old are you?
If you are a young kid then it's only natural you will be naive with this stuff.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: sceptimatic on May 21, 2015, 09:34:20 AM
I don't think you understand what free expansion is scepti.
Well, a typical bell end like you would naturally say that when you have no clue what it means yourself.
I don't think many of your sort do because if you did, you would not be arguing about rockets in space.
Title: Re: It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship
Post by: BJ1234 on May 21, 2015, 09:36:43 AM